| 00:02.16 | znf | [02:57:46]Auditor: Gained 5201.37.02 (Vendor) |
| 00:02.32 | quiescens | grats |
| 00:02.39 | sb | huh? |
| 00:02.44 | znf | Had it in my bags for like 2 months |
| 00:02.50 | znf | sb, epic fortune card |
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| 00:11.29 | Stanzilla | lolz |
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| 00:24.42 | znf | so, sb, Stanzilla - should I go back to a Haste build? :D |
| 00:27.20 | quiescens | don't do it |
| 00:28.47 | znf | Znufflessd : 49422 dps |
| 00:28.56 | znf | slaps Stanzilla |
| 00:29.04 | Stanzilla | znf: yes your should |
| 00:29.06 | Stanzilla | -r |
| 00:29.14 | znf | WHY DON'T I GET IN THE "TOP 10 DPS" ON THAT SYMBOT?! |
| 00:29.20 | Ali1331 | :o Znuff? |
| 00:29.22 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 00:29.38 | znf | Ali1331, huh? |
| 00:29.43 | Ali1331 | lol |
| 00:29.48 | Ali1331 | I played on Kul Tiras |
| 00:29.52 | Ali1331 | in Behind my Camel |
| 00:30.00 | znf | oh? who are you? :P |
| 00:30.00 | Ali1331 | <- Neurox |
| 00:30.05 | znf | oh, hi dude! |
| 00:30.10 | Ali1331 | hi :p |
| 00:30.19 | quiescens | lols |
| 00:30.31 | Stanzilla | lolz |
| 00:31.17 | pompy | http://store.steampowered.com/news/8376/ |
| 00:31.44 | Ali1331 | mm seems some BMC folks went with Pend to Kazzak |
| 00:32.29 | Ali1331 | guess it fell apart when Hez left |
| 00:32.57 | znf | Ali1331, well, I took the 1st jump |
| 00:33.02 | Ali1331 | idd |
| 00:33.40 | znf | There were older people in the guild than me with "tighter" friendships with hez and stuff, so I didn't feel like to compete with everyone else there :) |
| 00:34.04 | Ali1331 | well I haven't played properly since...Sept. '10 |
| 00:34.12 | Ali1331 | so I wouldn't know really :) |
| 00:34.23 | znf | I moved 1st to Pend, then I pretty much got everyone else in there :D |
| 00:34.38 | znf | Even the biggest part of SoD moved ot Kazzak |
| 00:34.55 | znf | they formed a new guild, "After the Fall" |
| 00:35.14 | Ali1331 | Seems Vengeance is the only Horde guild really left on KT |
| 00:35.24 | znf | Then we got like 8 other people from a 10man guild from KT in Pendulum :D |
| 00:35.33 | znf | dead realm, what do you expect... |
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| 01:43.45 | MysticalOS | so, anyone know of a good RSS reader for OS X, since 10.8 removes ALL support for it built into OS? |
| 01:57.22 | Torhal | MysticalOS: Reeder doesn't work?!? |
| 01:57.38 | quiescens | gasp |
| 01:57.50 | MysticalOS | they removed RSS from safari and mail, which i was used to reading instead of another app |
| 01:58.08 | Torhal | Aah, I use Reeder. Requires Google though |
| 01:58.12 | MysticalOS | while at it, they also removed activity window from safari, downloads no longer show download speed or time remaining |
| 01:58.24 | Torhal | …dafuq? |
| 01:58.42 | MysticalOS | that's what i said |
| 01:58.55 | MysticalOS | messages, well after about 5 min i opened audium for first time in a couple years |
| 01:59.00 | MysticalOS | adium* |
| 01:59.25 | Torhal | Eh, Adium is all I use…cross-client support and such. |
| 01:59.32 | Torhal | And Textual for IRC. |
| 01:59.33 | Stanzilla | hugs Torhal |
| 01:59.42 | Torhal | peers curiously at Stanzilla. |
| 01:59.56 | Stanzilla | I'm lonely and you are the only one around! |
| 02:00.05 | Torhal | points at quiescens. |
| 02:00.08 | MysticalOS | i use xchat for irc, i only used ichat for aim because i actually used the av from time to time and UI wasn't THAT bad, until now. |
| 02:00.11 | quiescens | dies. |
| 02:00.19 | MysticalOS | messages removes nice looking tabs and gives you, something worse |
| 02:00.54 | MysticalOS | removes ability to actually view IMs, like an IM, the text view option is gone, now you have to use their goofy bubbles or something, time stamps are NOT saved in transcripts anymore. wtf i put that one right up there with removing download speeds |
| 02:01.02 | Stanzilla | MysticalOS: did you install the leaked gold master? |
| 02:01.15 | MysticalOS | developer downloaded GM, but yes |
| 02:02.00 | MysticalOS | only because i know apples support policies, as much as i hate 10.8, apple doesn't support products beyond the launch of newer version |
| 02:02.03 | Stanzilla | mind sharing the image? :D |
| 02:02.23 | MysticalOS | 10.7 will see 10.7.5 but it won't see another update after that, at all, cept maybe 2 years of security updates |
| 02:02.30 | MysticalOS | vid drivers will cease, bugfixes will cease |
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| 02:02.44 | MysticalOS | you don't know where to find image? pssht |
| 02:04.28 | Stanzilla | I don't trust torrent sites :( |
| 02:04.57 | Stanzilla | and is this the 100% final version? also some people said that it will connect to apple and check for developer id |
| 02:06.14 | Stanzilla | Torhal: any idea why this gives me integer overflow errors (on live) http://paste2.org/p/2070018 ? |
| 02:08.51 | quiescens | 1+1=2 |
| 02:09.10 | Torhal | Stanzilla: No idea. HAWT, though. |
| 02:09.18 | Stanzilla | =( |
| 02:09.36 | Stanzilla | 5x integer overflow attempting to store 4294967295 |
| 02:09.40 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 02:09.46 | Torhal | Where the fuck is record.Amount defined? |
| 02:09.52 | Torhal | It's only used in the conversion. |
| 02:10.37 | Stanzilla | guess nowhere |
| 02:10.41 | Torhal | Heh. |
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| 02:11.03 | Torhal | That's doubly strange. |
| 02:11.07 | Stanzilla | fucking scripts from teh internetz |
| 02:11.09 | mckenziemc | Patch Tuesdays quiescens. |
| 02:11.21 | Torhal | nil or 0 should be 0 every time, not 4294967295 |
| 02:12.29 | Torhal | Also, if WA_DOTS.Ignite didn't exist before, and it's set as a new empty table, then WA_DOTS.Ignite[UnitGUID("target")] should return nil |
| 02:12.32 | quiescens | lua> nil or 0 |
| 02:12.32 | lua_bot | quiescens: 0 |
| 02:12.36 | quiescens | gasp |
| 02:12.43 | Torhal | So that string.format would be converting nil.nil which is just….LMAO |
| 02:12.45 | mckenziemc | lua> nil or quiescens |
| 02:12.45 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: nil |
| 02:12.48 | Torhal | lua> nil.nil |
| 02:12.48 | lua_bot | Torhal: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'nil' |
| 02:13.08 | Torhal | lua> nil.Amount |
| 02:13.09 | lua_bot | Torhal: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'nil' |
| 02:13.13 | Torhal | Yeah, no idea man. |
| 02:13.16 | quiescens | still, depends on what record.Amount is |
| 02:13.26 | quiescens | maybe its secretly 4294967295 |
| 02:14.25 | Torhal | lua> WA_DOTS = WA_DOTS or {}; WA_DOTS.Ignite = WA_DOTS.Ignite or {}; local record = WA_DOTS.Ignite[UnitGUID("target")]; if(record) then return string.format("%i", record.Amount or 0); else return "Waiting"; end |
| 02:14.25 | lua_bot | Torhal: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'UnitGUID' (a nil value) |
| 02:14.29 | Torhal | BAH |
| 02:14.39 | Torhal | stabs Stanzilla. |
| 02:14.39 | mckenziemc | ~fail Torhal |
| 02:14.40 | purl | Torhal: FAIL! |
| 02:14.46 | Stanzilla | not my fault bro |
| 02:14.48 | Torhal | ~whalenuke mckenziemc |
| 02:14.48 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around mckenziemc with his mind powers. |
| 02:14.57 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Yes it is, for showing me that horror. |
| 02:15.12 | mckenziemc | ~whaleparry |
| 02:15.16 | Stanzilla | and here I was hoping that I finally found a good script for that shit |
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| 02:15.36 | Stanzilla | but I guess its more like shit in a script |
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| 02:16.04 | quiescens | maybe you should find out what record.amount is equal to |
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| 02:16.37 | Torhal | quiescens: WA_DOTS.Ignite = WA_DOTS.Ignite or {}; local record = WA_DOTS.Ignite[UnitGUID("target")]; |
| 02:16.54 | Torhal | That's saying "If WA_DOTS doesn't exist, make it as an empty table" |
| 02:17.05 | quiescens | but i presume it gets populated somewhere |
| 02:17.07 | Torhal | Then immediately, try to get the value of the UnitGUID from that empty table |
| 02:17.09 | quiescens | at some point |
| 02:17.22 | Torhal | Which somehow miraculously has an .Amount even though it's a brand-new empty table. |
| 02:17.31 | Torhal | So no. Bad code is bad. |
| 02:17.33 | quiescens | but its not |
| 02:17.42 | quiescens | wa_dots could exist |
| 02:17.42 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.51 | Torhal | If it DOESN'T, it fails. |
| 02:17.53 | Torhal | Horribly. |
| 02:17.55 | quiescens | before the function is even called |
| 02:18.00 | Torhal | So still, bad code is bad. |
| 02:18.04 | quiescens | so what happens if it does already exisssst |
| 02:18.19 | Torhal | Then amount is likely defined outside of that function. I still stand by my bad code statement. |
| 02:18.21 | mckenziemc | Torhal dies |
| 02:18.31 | Torhal | mckenziemc: I'm not quiescens, dorkopolis. |
| 02:18.33 | Stanzilla | wtb fixed code please |
| 02:18.52 | mckenziemc | Torhal: i'm not a city |
| 02:19.01 | Torhal | A city of dorks, perhaps. |
| 02:20.03 | Stanzilla | Torhal: end my misery pls |
| 02:20.23 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Stop looking at things which fail? |
| 02:20.39 | Stanzilla | Torhal: yes, give me good code then :D |
| 02:21.03 | Torhal | I don't even know what the hell that function is supposed to do but fail. |
| 02:21.08 | quiescens | for all we know record.amount is just a big number and its technically doing what it is supposed to be |
| 02:21.14 | quiescens | since stanzilla isn't telling us anything |
| 02:21.15 | quiescens | useful |
| 02:21.50 | Torhal | record is the result of a table lookup (on a potentially brand-new table without anything resembling Amount) on a GUID. |
| 02:22.24 | Torhal | So yes, it could be defined outside of the function. But whoever said "If this doesn't exist, defy all logic and make an empty version!" needs to rethink their shot. |
| 02:22.32 | Torhal | s/shot/shit/ |
| 02:23.15 | mckenziemc | s/rethink their shit/be shot/ |
| 02:23.26 | Stanzilla | the thing is, it works |
| 02:23.28 | Torhal | assassinates mckenziemc with kindness. |
| 02:23.32 | quiescens | i guess it probably is expecting it to exist but stanzilla clearly doesn't want to try to find out what the value is |
| 02:23.33 | Stanzilla | and the output is a simple number like 13004 |
| 02:23.39 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Then there is more to that code than what you're showing. |
| 02:23.51 | Stanzilla | quiescens: it's the dmg tick from the last ignite |
| 02:24.22 | Stanzilla | no, it's a custom WA trigger that somehow uses WA internals to get it's results (WA_DOTS) |
| 02:24.51 | quiescens | well i personally have no idea how the rest of wa_dots does anything |
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| 02:26.32 | Stanzilla | meh, I don't know anything else |
| 02:33.08 | quiescens | i don't suppose the error tells you which line is actually doing anything |
| 02:34.32 | Stanzilla | quiescens: http://paste2.org/p/2070036 |
| 02:37.10 | quiescens | i fear i may be too lazy to be bothered downloading the source anyway |
| 02:37.11 | quiescens | lol |
| 02:38.11 | quiescens | on the up side, the 429thingy number is the traditional 2^32-1 |
| 02:41.08 | Stanzilla | quiescens: http://pastebin.com/KnK5V6rS |
| 02:41.10 | Stanzilla | have fun :D |
| 02:41.51 | Torhal | It uses superfluous parenthesis and semi-colons. That's where I quit. |
| 02:43.09 | sylvanaar | LOL |
| 02:43.24 | Torhal | Actually, it appears that he's using the "not" keyword as a function |
| 02:43.28 | Torhal | if not(something) |
| 02:43.59 | Torhal | Nevermind, he does it with "if" as well. |
| 02:44.05 | Torhal | Foof. |
| 02:44.17 | quiescens | psh |
| 02:44.34 | quiescens | everyone is used to reading if with parenthesis from C anyway |
| 02:46.22 | Torhal | Yah, I broke myself of that habit. |
| 02:47.56 | MysticalOS | if (((IsMacClient() then return "string to long" end))); |
| 02:48.23 | sylvanaar | my eyes! |
| 02:51.16 | mckenziemc | my feet! |
| 02:53.58 | sylvanaar | god i am so stuck in inferno |
| 02:54.06 | sylvanaar | i cant kill magda |
| 02:54.07 | quiescens | shrugs, doesn't even have wa_dots in it so neh |
| 02:54.21 | quiescens | don't get hit |
| 02:54.24 | quiescens | by anything |
| 02:54.36 | Stanzilla | wa_dots is nowhere in the whole source |
| 02:54.40 | Stanzilla | >.< |
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| 03:45.25 | Kemayo | Stanzilla: Sadly, I still haven't managed to reproduce your problem. It's a pain. |
| 03:48.29 | Stanzilla | Kemayo: I just had an idea, how does BS save the interval settings? per character? |
| 03:50.52 | Kemayo | Stanzilla: Should be on a shared profile by default. |
| 03:51.08 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 03:51.17 | Kemayo | Though it didn't used to be, so if you've been using it long enough then you might be on per-character. |
| 03:54.12 | Stanzilla | maybe I have some broken profile then |
| 03:54.24 | Stanzilla | can't test now because servers are down |
| 03:57.32 | Kemayo | I should go and add in some timeouts and/or retries. What you're seeing almost-certainly means that it's endlessly waiting for a move it requested to be made. |
| 04:18.28 | Stanzilla | yep |
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| 05:23.50 | Repo | arl: 03Torhal 07master * 2.3.0-88-gb8751cd / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 05:23.50 | Repo | b8751cd: Replace the TomTom "greet dot" waypoint icon with the icon for the waypoint's profession. |
| 05:23.50 | Repo | de21bb9: Cleaned up the TradeSkill AddOn-detection code and moved it out of CreateScanButton() |
| 05:34.05 | Repo | arl: 03Torhal 07master * 2.3.0-89-gb85e0fa Database/Trainers/Alchemy.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed coordinates for Alchemy trainer Yelmak - they were off by about 140 yards. |
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| 05:51.15 | Torhal | sylvanaar: Better get your plugin listed here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=258091#post258091 |
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| 06:28.41 | sb | morgen! |
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| 06:35.40 | Torhal | Foof? |
| 06:46.18 | sb | yes, i thnk so! |
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| 07:02.07 | quiescens | moo? |
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| 09:08.06 | sb | die! |
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| 13:12.20 | Stanzilla | hey mr Torhal |
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| 13:20.42 | Stanzilla | quiescens: http://paste2.org/p/2070356 |
| 13:20.44 | Stanzilla | and Torhal |
| 13:20.46 | Stanzilla | so funny |
| 13:24.26 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: it's because you write your if statements wrong |
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| 13:31.13 | Stanzilla | mitch0: u why? |
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| 13:43.59 | nevcairiel | those 2 functions are identical, unless wows lua is funny for some weird reason |
| 13:48.16 | Ali1331 | it has ; ! |
| 13:49.24 | nevcairiel | thats just a matter of taste |
| 13:49.41 | nevcairiel | although haste came up with a situation where its needed to use a ; - but then again he is weird |
| 13:53.41 | Stanzilla | "Anyway, it turns out the fix was easier than I thought. Table.remove had a side effect I didn't expect and I think that was buggering up the lookup. Anyway, a minor tweak seems to have fixed it. The change is in the spell_aura_removed handler of the second trigger if you're interested." |
| 13:54.39 | Stanzilla | so I just never noticed that it has a second trigger :D |
| 13:56.11 | Stanzilla | that explains all the weirdness from last night |
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| 14:38.33 | Stanzilla | Kemayo: my profile's stutter interval is at 0.05, the default is 0.4, guess that's the cause |
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| 15:08.20 | quiescens | Stanzilla: we totally mentioned repeatedly that wa_dots or whatever was not being populated in the code you had given us so for all we knew, the numbers really were out of range and we wouldn't be able to know |
| 15:09.25 | Stanzilla | quiescens: yes I know, I just couldn't find it and it was 5am so excuse me :D |
| 15:10.23 | quiescens | goto sleep |
| 15:15.22 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 15:18.36 | Repo | weakauras: 03stanzilla 075.0 * r235 / (2 files in 1 directory): add support for burning embers and demonic fury |
| 15:27.04 | sb | mh, i should also goto sleep now |
| 15:28.02 | Repo | wim-3: 03mysticalos * r323 Modules/History.lua: *Fix inbound realid history recording |
| 15:28.03 | Repo | *Fix Real Id history showing "unknown" after client cache is cleared (by now saving realid history under toonname since presenceID changes every session and it relied on client cache) |
| 15:28.36 | MysticalOS | pain in the ass that incoming whisper was to debug |
| 15:28.45 | sb | yay, thank you :D |
| 15:29.05 | MysticalOS | bnet history is now working A++ |
| 15:31.48 | sb | does "record friends" apply to bnet friends? |
| 15:32.08 | sb | meh, nevermind, "record everyone" will do just fine :p |
| 15:33.07 | Stanzilla | do you really want to store all the whispers from people that ask you where your mount is from, why you have talent point x instead of y etc? |
| 15:33.41 | sb | i dont care :p |
| 15:33.52 | sb | also i dont get whispers like that |
| 15:34.03 | sb | not a single one in the last... months? |
| 15:34.33 | Stanzilla | weird |
| 15:34.44 | Stanzilla | I get them all the time, + "how much dps do you do" |
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| 15:34.51 | Stanzilla | and "can I join your guild" |
| 15:35.25 | MysticalOS | hmm, i'll have to look into that sb |
| 15:35.27 | bluspacecow | "you want buy cat ?" |
| 15:35.40 | MysticalOS | to be honest, converting bnet to toonmame it may not identify them as a friend now,i gotta work on that too heh |
| 15:35.48 | bluspacecow | cat very good deal |
| 15:35.51 | MysticalOS | although, actually nevermind it may still work |
| 15:36.20 | MysticalOS | my modifications are after that check, the window controler will still ID them as realid name and as a friend |
| 15:37.30 | MysticalOS | i get the "can i join your guild a lot |
| 15:37.50 | MysticalOS | usually companied by "i'm already in your guild under sometoonname" |
| 15:37.55 | MysticalOS | which btw isn't in your guild |
| 15:38.16 | quiescens | o.o |
| 15:38.49 | quiescens | tell them yes and then don't do anything |
| 15:39.47 | MysticalOS | yes sb, it IDs em as friends |
| 15:39.52 | MysticalOS | so you don't have to turn "everyone" on |
| 15:41.17 | sb | ty |
| 15:42.05 | sb | MysticalOS: is there a way to purge the existing history? |
| 15:42.24 | MysticalOS | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.12 | znf | oh, RAID DAY |
| 15:44.32 | Stanzilla | raid day boring day |
| 15:44.35 | Stanzilla | every day raid day |
| 15:44.50 | znf | as long that it's less than 3hours/week, I'm fine |
| 15:45.23 | Stanzilla | I raid with 4 to 5 chars atm |
| 15:45.43 | znf | that sucks |
| 15:46.07 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 15:46.09 | Stanzilla | a bit |
| 15:47.35 | Stanzilla | 4 toons at 8/8hc, 2 at 6/8h hc, 1 at 4/8 or so and 2 with nothing |
| 15:48.18 | znf | I stopped raiding alts and stuff |
| 15:58.31 | znf | Stanzilla, tell whoever wrote that simbot to post exact reforge thingies |
| 15:58.50 | Stanzilla | he's rewriting it atm |
| 16:00.01 | znf | I swear... I can't get the exact 17% hit rating the sim is doing |
| 16:00.01 | znf | o.o |
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| 16:01.37 | znf | I'm gonna do the sim again, there's something wrong here :D |
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| 16:03.47 | Megalon | what's wrong with you face? |
| 16:03.50 | Megalon | your :< |
| 16:09.17 | znf | Oooooh. I'm supposed to replace some yellow gems :-D |
| 16:10.19 | bluspacecow | bot sex |
| 16:10.23 | bluspacecow | kinky znf |
| 16:13.42 | znf | Uhm, a guildie is trying to sell a Cata acount for... 20€ |
| 16:13.43 | znf | :-| |
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| 16:25.23 | znf | Stanzilla, the f1230192-(*!@&#)(!@# |
| 16:25.51 | znf | I've reforged 3 times, still not hitting 1742 hit rating (or the other stats in the sim result) |
| 16:26.13 | Stanzilla | znf: haha |
| 16:26.22 | Stanzilla | just use reforgelite man |
| 16:27.02 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/vgJZk.png |
| 16:27.08 | znf | this is what I should reforge to, right? |
| 16:28.09 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 16:28.22 | Stanzilla | btw you best in slot bastard |
| 16:29.14 | znf | ofc I am |
| 16:29.14 | znf | >_< |
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| 16:36.04 | ZaB|SHC| | how does the algorithm of reforgelite work? from the description i guess it's some kind of brute-force |
| 16:38.17 | znf | I don't trust that addon :P |
| 16:38.25 | znf | I trust simcraft telling me what to do, it's smarter than me, clearly :D |
| 16:38.29 | znf | but not an in-game addon |
| 16:38.56 | ZaB|SHC| | trust maths: mixed integer linear programming :D |
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| 16:54.39 | nevcairiel | code is code, why would an application or some website be generally smarter then an addon? |
| 16:55.23 | znf | nevcairiel, I trust simcraft's model more than an in-game addon |
| 16:55.38 | znf | and from what I remember, Reforgelite just has some basic weight scales, nothing fancy |
| 16:55.46 | ZaB|SHC| | smarter algorithm could lead to better results as it might be possible to cover the whole phase space (which might not be true for a bad algorithm) |
| 16:56.11 | nevcairiel | there is no reason someone couldnt write that as an addon, though |
| 16:56.30 | znf | limited execution time is the first that comes to mind |
| 16:56.51 | ZaB|SHC| | complexity might be problematic in case of implementation within an addon. |
| 16:56.54 | nevcairiel | thats not a problem |
| 16:57.06 | nevcairiel | you can run it in a coroutine if you need long computation |
| 16:57.26 | ZaB|SHC| | are you willing to wait for > 10 minutes to get the result? |
| 16:57.28 | nevcairiel | how do you think routes computes its routes? :p |
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| 16:57.40 | nevcairiel | ZaB|SHC|: your PC doesnt get magically slower just because it runs in an addon :D |
| 16:58.25 | znf | Stanzilla, http://i.imgur.com/LNnY8.png |
| 16:58.26 | znf | :> |
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| 16:58.49 | znf | also: http://i.imgur.com/JW1yT.png |
| 16:58.49 | znf | :D |
| 16:58.54 | bluspacecow | "how do you think routes computes its routes? " LUCK LOL |
| 16:59.25 | nevcairiel | there may not be a big advantage in writing it in an addon, i'm just saying that an argument like "i don't trust an ingame addon" is BS :p |
| 16:59.41 | ZaB|SHC| | okay, example. i wrote my own reforging optimizer with a rather simple algorithm (brute force using pruning and some minor reduction of phase space). took 20s (fully parallel on 8 cores; c++). switch to smart algorithm (as mentioned before: mixed integer linear programming) and now it's done in 0.2s running on one core. |
| 17:00.54 | nevcairiel | How is optimizing your code related to the language you write it in? :) |
| 17:01.00 | Stanzilla | znf: /golfclap |
| 17:01.18 | znf | if I'd have one of the "preferencial" races, I'd rank higher :D |
| 17:01.35 | Stanzilla | undead will be so op in mop |
| 17:01.45 | znf | I doubt it, tbh |
| 17:01.49 | ZaB|SHC| | nevcairiel: just to demonstrate that its rather long runtime is not due to implementation in a 'slow' scripting language. i should also mention that the new implementation is done in lua (just a wrapper for lp_solve) |
| 17:01.54 | znf | So far Pandas look to be the most OP |
| 17:02.01 | znf | that new undead racial is not that great |
| 17:02.32 | nevcairiel | ZaB|SHC|: arent you arguing against your own point from earlier now? :d |
| 17:03.12 | nevcairiel | My whole point was that there is no reason to assume addons are generally more stupid, just because they are addons |
| 17:03.28 | nevcairiel | You could implement the same logic in an addon, if you care |
| 17:03.47 | ZaB|SHC| | nevcairiel: this is the thing i meant when talking about complexity. |
| 17:05.29 | ZaB|SHC| | staying with milp: the solver i use is external (not doable within wow [some kind of constraint you have to bypass]). if you want to reimplement this solver within wow, you get a shitload of dependencies (linear algebra to name one important). |
| 17:07.00 | ZaB|SHC| | and all these dependencies have to implemented within your constrained environment. i guess you have to be quiet masochistic to get it working this way. |
| 17:07.13 | nevcairiel | worth things have been done |
| 17:07.14 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 17:07.16 | nevcairiel | worse* |
| 17:08.16 | ZaB|SHC| | or choose the pragmatic way. create something which just works with minimal effort (i.e. keep using the external optimizer and find a way to export the data needed to feed it). |
| 17:12.02 | nevcairiel | I never said it would be a good idea to do it all in the addon, but just saying "its an addon, i don't trust it" is just stupid :p |
| 17:12.32 | ZaB|SHC| | okay, this i can sign ;) |
| 17:16.17 | znf | AskMrRobot > export > paste in game |
| 17:16.19 | znf | profit |
| 17:19.01 | ZaB|SHC| | i don't like that askmrrobot sometimes leaves you undercapped (and i didn't find a setting to switch this off). (and i don't like, that i have to log out to get the data updated in the armory) |
| 17:19.47 | znf | ZaB|SHC|, it does that because you don't really need to go around hitcapped |
| 17:20.00 | nevcairiel | i never played a dps class, all these optimizers dont work all that great for healers anyway |
| 17:20.40 | ZaB|SHC| | if i miss some move i get so confused in my rotation my whole world breaks :D |
| 17:21.09 | znf | class |
| 17:21.10 | znf | ? |
| 17:21.26 | ZaB|SHC| | retribution paladin, shadow priest and arms warrior |
| 17:21.52 | ZaB|SHC| | (but all of them are offspec) |
| 17:22.05 | znf | it's about awareness |
| 17:22.12 | znf | I play with sounds on, so I hear instantly when I miss a spell |
| 17:22.17 | znf | I can work around it |
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| 17:32.45 | sb | znf: so this simulationthingy accounts for MS-spam? |
| 17:32.59 | sb | err 4pct13 that is |
| 17:33.02 | znf | sb, no |
| 17:33.23 | znf | default simcraft actions |
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| 17:55.49 | znf | Stanzilla, sb: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/120650/WoWScrnShot_071112_204912.jpg |
| 17:55.52 | znf | spot the imposter :D |
| 17:56.15 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 17:56.35 | znf | Still need the damn belt >_< |
| 18:00.09 | znf | BAH |
| 18:00.12 | znf | Who broke my Grid2? >_< |
| 18:00.19 | znf | I have a stupid border around my grid now >_< |
| 18:00.20 | Stanzilla | why |
| 18:00.21 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 18:00.27 | Stanzilla | change the color |
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| 18:01.12 | znf | still annoying! |
| 18:01.22 | znf | if I say "none" I mean none |
| 18:01.23 | znf | !! |
| 18:02.18 | Stanzilla | blame Elkano |
| 18:02.18 | Stanzilla | or so |
| 18:02.20 | znf | blames Elkano |
| 18:06.42 | Elkano | blame kagaro |
| 18:16.18 | mckenziemc | casts Shadow Word: Moo at Torhal. |
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| 18:20.41 | Stanzilla | znf: just got boots, only ring of suturning or so missing |
| 18:28.00 | kagaro | mitch0 was gonna restart using false instead of nil if that gves a better solution |
| 18:28.14 | kagaro | s/restart/test |
| 18:49.31 | Gnarfoz | znf: you realize Grid2 is by one lonesome guy unaffiliated with the geniuses who made Grid? (and Grid is by no means deprecated/replaced/obsolete)? |
| 18:50.32 | Arrowmaster | i dont think the people that originally made grid even play anymore |
| 18:51.26 | Gnarfoz | well, the creators... probably not. but Phanx has been working on it for ages |
| 18:51.33 | Gnarfoz | (and she's still around) |
| 18:52.03 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I never understood why someone would just create a "Grid2" when Grid was just fine >_> |
| 18:52.14 | sb | grid2 is great... :o |
| 18:52.27 | bluspacecow | imma make gridpi |
| 18:52.38 | Gnarfoz | sb: you're not serious |
| 18:52.50 | bluspacecow | it renders a pi in a grid |
| 18:52.58 | Gnarfoz | it's like the LibLordFarlander of addons |
| 18:53.07 | znf | Gnarfoz, I find Grid2 like 10x better :D |
| 18:53.15 | sb | 100x! |
| 18:53.52 | Gnarfoz | I can't talk to you people anymore, I'm sorry :< |
| 18:54.32 | znf | Gnarfoz, Grid is horribly slow |
| 18:54.47 | znf | Grid2 is running circles around Grid |
| 18:55.04 | znf | And it's shitloads much easier to set Grid2 up than Grid |
| 18:55.57 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: grid2 is good |
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| 19:14.42 | Yoshimo | why isnt grid1 retired then and everyone switching to grid2? |
| 19:17.00 | sb | no idea... |
| 19:24.00 | Primer | ignorance? |
| 19:24.14 | znf | Yoshimo, why is X-Perl still around? :P |
| 19:24.33 | znf | Why was Cartographer around? |
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| 19:26.12 | Yoshimo | that is a mystery, anything important in terms of grid modules that hasnt been ported maybe? people not knowing? |
| 19:34.17 | znf | Yoshimo, people not knowing |
| 19:34.39 | znf | Everyone who I told about it switched and they're happy |
| 19:35.20 | Primer | still uses PitBull4 |
| 19:35.31 | Yoshimo | configuring grid1 is confusing |
| 19:40.42 | sb | yup, i tried grid1 with like 10000 plugins |
| 19:41.04 | sb | now i'm running grid2 with... 2 plugins? |
| 19:41.30 | nevcairiel | so the grid2 core is more bloated?!?! |
| 19:41.38 | sb | meh.... :D |
| 19:41.45 | sb | more powerful! |
| 19:43.59 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/JMci5.png |
| 19:44.00 | znf | *evil* |
| 19:44.51 | znf | nevcairiel, not really, it's still faster than Grid :P |
| 19:46.09 | sb | 100% dkp? wtf :D |
| 19:46.50 | znf | yeah, vhaarr is the evil one :D |
| 19:48.21 | Ackis | 100% dkp penalty for using direbrews remote? |
| 19:49.14 | znf | and toy train set |
| 19:49.51 | Megalon | seems like a joy to raid with you |
| 19:53.18 | znf | Megalon, it's in the rules |
| 19:58.18 | znf | ooooh, we have class icons in skada: http://i.imgur.com/RrtNy.png |
| 20:13.13 | Megalon | :< |
| 20:20.50 | Repo | libcustomachievement-1-0: 03stolenlegacy * r9 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 20:20.50 | Repo | Hook HasCompletedAnyAchievement(). This should allow the achievement frame to be shown if only LCA achievements have been earned. |
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| 20:50.07 | Repo | mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.4.3-3-g5e0c419 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 20:50.07 | Repo | 5e0c419: Add FogClear data for The Wandering Isle |
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| 20:53.01 | Primer | heh, my 9 year old daughter is playing wow again...troll druid, level 21. Saw her healing a shadowfang keep with 3 unspent talent points, the spent ones in the balance tree and no water |
| 20:54.06 | Primer | luckily the pally tank was smart enough to apply his holy power to self-healing |
| 20:55.09 | nevcairiel | i would be fascinated if she figured out what to do, nevermind the talents |
| 20:56.49 | Primer | she leveled a hunter to the mid 20's mostly by herself when she was 7. Of course I had to show her a few things, but one thing she never really learned too well was NOT being a keyboard turner |
| 20:57.26 | Primer | I've set her up with a few mouseover healing macros on this druid |
| 20:57.45 | Primer | I told her to do instances as DPS from now on though |
| 20:57.54 | Primer | she has all the BoA gear, so the DPS isn't bad |
| 21:04.56 | sb | wtf... :D |
| 21:08.21 | Megalon | sb is like "what, that's how i leveled to 85" |
| 21:11.16 | sb | :( |
| 21:17.09 | sb | so??? whats the problem here Megalon? |
| 21:19.52 | sb | Stanzilla: do something, my WA has some issues after logging in |
| 21:21.38 | Megalon | nothing really, sb |
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| 21:22.35 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/NNQTV.jpg |
| 21:22.36 | znf | ... |
| 21:22.40 | znf | stupid dispel |
| 21:22.41 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 21:23.48 | sb | you are dead znf |
| 21:23.54 | znf | all of us are dead :D |
| 21:25.01 | Megalon | stop the suicide raiding |
| 21:33.25 | Yoshimo | i really love my portable train destroyer^^ |
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| 21:52.20 | znf | Yoshimo, we like our dkp wipe, more :D |
| 21:54.31 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/hFmAu.png |
| 21:54.32 | Yoshimo | quite effective i guess |
| 21:54.38 | znf | please tell me we get gold for them :D |
| 21:55.09 | sb | mh, selling bracers/boots gets you much more gold |
| 21:55.14 | sb | well not anymore, but like some weeks/months ago |
| 21:56.30 | znf | bracers/boots have been like 500g for like 2 months on our server :P |
| 21:57.16 | znf | Someone needs to fix LuaBrowser |
| 21:57.18 | znf | @project LuaBrowser |
| 21:57.18 | Repo | znf: Project "luabrowser" was not found. |
| 21:57.22 | znf | @project Lua-Browser |
| 21:57.23 | Repo | znf: [WoW] Lua Browser (Updated Nov 10, 2010 at 17:43 UTC) - http://www.curseforge.com/addons/lua-browser/ |
| 21:57.35 | Megalon | someone needs to make Lua-Bowser |
| 21:58.14 | znf | /lb filter <stuff> crashes my game :D |
| 21:58.16 | sb | znf: since 17k points is 17 weeks -> still no problem :P |
| 21:59.15 | znf | btw, how do I escape utf-8 chars? |
| 21:59.34 | znf | I have BananaDPDB.dkp.Ûmpabumpa |
| 22:08.09 | znf | nevermind |
| 22:08.11 | znf | remembered |
| 22:15.42 | Repo | drainsouler: 03kunda * r42 / (7 files in 1 directory): (3 lines trimmed from commit message) |
| 22:15.42 | Repo | - fixed detailed information if haste or spellpower is <= 0 |
| 22:15.43 | Repo | - option interface update |
| 22:15.43 | Repo | - use RegisterUnitEvent for UNIT_HEALTH |
| 22:15.44 | Repo | - throttle OnUpdate TickTimer and DrainSoulTimer to 0.04 seconds (needs check [where is the overhead breakpoint?], maybe 0.1 is enough) |
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| 22:41.14 | Stanzilla | sb: what issue |
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| 22:44.12 | sb | inverted weapon enchant check doesnt recognize the weapon enchant |
| 22:44.55 | sb | so i have to reapply poisons to make my big icons go away :p |
| 22:47.37 | Stanzilla | sb: yeah just don't type in a enchant name |
| 22:53.08 | znf | sb, what time tomorow do you do 4-winds? |
| 22:53.19 | oscarucb | anyone know a way to query the highlighted region of an EditBox widget? |
| 22:53.46 | znf | queryHighlightedRegionofEditBox |
| 22:54.20 | oscarucb | is that a joke? |
| 22:54.59 | znf | yes :( |
| 22:55.18 | oscarucb | cool. not funny. Anyone have a real answer? |
| 22:55.47 | znf | dear god |
| 22:55.58 | znf | Ouya reached $3.4mil o.o |
| 22:56.33 | ThiefMaster | would be tempting to run away with all that money |
| 22:58.13 | ThiefMaster | i'd love to know who's behind the 5k+ donations.. probably some über-rich kids or companies who have too much money |
| 23:33.27 | quiescens | moo |
| 23:37.30 | *** join/#wowace the-golem_ (~Darrin@c-24-10-17-129.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
