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01:05.37znfwtb addon to track quest status of Darkmoon Artifacts :-/
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04:02.22JerichoHMOk Pop Quiz: Can anyone tell me exactly how blizz does equipped ilvl.  Like is it total i lvl divided by 15 and empty slots count as a 0?  do 2h count twice?
04:02.25JerichoHMjust wondering
04:03.22znfonly main hand slot counts, afaik
04:03.38znfemtpy slots are 0, indeed
04:03.38JerichoHMso off hand doesn't count at all
04:03.52znfwell, for casters doesn't count at all, so I'm guessing it's the same for melee
04:04.30JerichoHMhrm
04:04.43Megalonhttp://i44.tinypic.com/14lklyd.jpg damn
04:04.55Megalonthat looks quite masterly
04:05.12znfcba to log my dk now :P
04:06.08znfso ilvl sum / slot numbers is the key
04:07.36JerichoHMi understand the average but if OH doesn't count then why would OH weaps have ilvl and that would change the num of slots
04:08.18znfstuff doesn't have ilvl just because they calculate the avg. equipped ilvl :P
04:08.22JerichoHMi guess i should say i'm trying to determine exclusions is all
04:08.25znfilvl is an old old thing :P
04:08.39znfthey just don't calculate the offhand slot
04:08.42JerichoHMi see
04:09.28znffor example, not even the epic, rare, cataclysm epic etc. achievements don't take into account offhand
04:09.32znfjust main hand + ranged
04:09.52JerichoHMhrm
04:10.44JerichoHMi suppose an easy check is to load an extremely low ilvl off hand and see if it effects equipped ilvl
04:13.49quiescensmaybe a flower
04:15.55quiescenswell the achievements can't count them though o.o
04:16.54quiescensbut if you were trying to measure gear so to speak, then you would think it would count if they have one
04:19.04znfI'm pretty sure it doesn't count
04:19.06znffine
04:19.08znf*starts wow*
04:19.21quiescensi'm not saying it does
04:19.26quiescensi'm saying it would make sense to
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04:20.15znfit doesn't, as it would be pointless to design something that works with equipped items based on their hand-holding thingie
04:20.17znfeither 1H or 2H
04:20.23JerichoHMlol
04:20.35znfok, it does
04:20.37znfwhich is stupid
04:21.00JerichoHMI thought it did but I didn't have any validation
04:21.01znfoook
04:21.08znfthis is even more stupid
04:21.14JerichoHM?
04:21.22znfDW 390 weapons, I have ilvl 358
04:21.33znf2H 390 weapon, I have iLvl 356
04:21.47JerichoHMo.O
04:22.02znf(don't mind my extremly low ilvl, I have heirloom head equipped)
04:22.25JerichoHMa test is a test
04:22.40JerichoHMi was gonna craft a ful ilvl 50 makeup so i could have a static test
04:22.42JerichoHMlol
04:23.47znf*ponders into getting some tanking gear to match his 2x Souldrinker one of these days*
04:26.12JerichoHMlong story short some of my diehard fans of iLvLr want it to replace Gearscore for them
04:27.02JerichoHMso i want to scan the target items and provide their ilvl
04:27.05JerichoHMnothing big
04:27.31znfGearScore was bad enough
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04:28.09znfnow
04:28.12znfstabs quiescens for being right
04:28.34JerichoHMikr thats why i don't want it to be GearScore
04:28.37JerichoHMjust report the ilvl
04:29.18znfwould basically be the same thing :P
04:29.19znfonly worse
04:29.25znflet them bitches armory
04:31.25quiescensdies.
04:31.26Xuerianznf: Bitches gonna ilvl
04:34.00JerichoHMi'm still too small time to shun away my ppl asking for stuff :)
04:35.16JerichoHMthey want the iLvL weight system for assiting in gearing up to show on inspect so while I'm at it I might as well report iLvL.  I might make them actually inspect though and not give it to them in the Tooltip >.<
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04:37.48XuerianPretty much.
04:38.24JerichoHMHeya Xuerian :)  Just put XLoot 1.0 and XLoot Monitor back in  my addons list
04:38.58JerichoHMI'll admit though... I'm using TeksLoot instead of XLoot Group :(
04:39.21XuerianJerichoHM: Coolio. I don't blame you, honestly. If I didn't get points for people using it, I'd say fuck it and tell them to use TeksLoot instead.
04:39.45XuerianI'm going to be rewriting it, but teksloot is none of the crap and most of what I wanted to do, so eh
04:40.23JerichoHMHe did a great job with it.  If XLoot Group meets/beats Tek though I'll be switching back to your full suite minus the Raid one... I am not a Raid Leader so don't need it
04:42.15XuerianJerichoHM: Yeah, he did. I'm not really trying to beat it, but it's pretty much the bar I'm aiming for, and obviously it will have the skinning from the 1.0 branch
04:42.42JerichoHMI'm actually doing a revision update on iLvLr already... Cleaning up the code I slapped together in that week of vacation over the holiday lol.  It's coming along nice, but I'm sure you guys would still call it sloppy
04:44.02XuerianJerichoHM: Hah. Sloppy is relative. I've been rewriting stuff all day (we want a preview while changing options!)
04:44.53JerichoHMWell I've built a table for the variables in prep to implement new features
04:45.01JerichoHMthat was a big part of it really
04:45.29znfheh
04:45.32znffunny
04:45.38znfI went to Netherstorm a few days ago
04:45.43JerichoHMgonna have a mini data broker for alt tracking xp/max/rest vp/jp/cp/hp g/s/c ilvl and name obv
04:45.46Gnarfozno way!
04:45.46znfand bought some nice greenies for Transmo
04:45.50znfspent like ~100g
04:45.57znfsold them on Ah for a total of 1000g
04:46.02Xuerianlol.
04:46.20JerichoHMlol nice znf
04:46.52znfhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=29380
04:46.54znf^ money maker
04:46.55znf:D
04:47.29JerichoHMi've been trying to sell a couple pets i earned for being a tank in the randoms
04:47.35XuerianDon't mind me, just going to fly off to netherstorm...
04:47.37JerichoHMif they move its about 13k
04:48.02znfXuerian, by the dagger, too :P
04:48.20znfbuy
04:48.22znfhttp://www.wowhead.com/npc=19536
04:49.59JerichoHMAnyone know of something that has a feature like in lootlink that lets you type out [Inferno Ruby] and it creates the link
04:50.28JerichoHMLL is so huge now but something that could generate a link off items that you've discovered and cached maybe
04:50.59znfthat'd get pretty huge, pretty fast
04:51.13znfwhat about partials?
04:51.59JerichoHMas I've read the information is already cached locally by the game client
04:52.14JerichoHMso simply requesting the link should be possible assuming you've already seen/cached it
04:52.24znf:-?
04:52.25znfoh well
04:52.41JerichoHMno need to keep your own DB... just basically a Chat Parse that converts what you're typing and outputting a link instead
04:52.45znfdunno, it just doesn't seem right :P
04:52.52JerichoHMlol
04:52.59znfwhat do you do with items with the same name?
04:53.05znfbut different quality/ilvl?
04:53.52JerichoHMhttp://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo
04:54.09JerichoHMyou know...
04:54.21JerichoHMI never thought about that... wonder how blizz handles that
04:54.29znfdifferent item ids...
04:54.30znf:)
04:54.33JerichoHMyar
04:54.49JerichoHMbut if they have the same name... how to determine the id
04:54.57znfwhat do you mean?
04:55.06znfthe game doesn't work with IDs
04:55.10znferm
04:55.11znfI mean
04:55.22znfthe game doesn't work with item names
04:55.34znfthe game works with IDs behind the scene
04:55.44XuerianThere is no way to go Name -> ID without a db, or cache
04:55.49Xuerianto be redundant
04:56.02JerichoHMI know but GetItemInfo can take "item name" as its arg
04:56.03quiescensredundant redundanccccies
04:56.25znfHmmm, no idea then =D
04:56.31znfnot gonna start the game yet again >_<
04:56.46znfanyway, my CSI episode is calling!
04:56.47znf.o/
04:56.49Xueriano/
04:56.51quiescenso/
04:56.55JerichoHMso if you can call that function by name... and there are 3 different Time Lord's Hoods how does it know whichun to pull lol
04:56.59znfXuerian, fix xlootmonitor!
04:57.15Xuerianznf: I was going to start that today, then "Show us a preview while changing options!" REFACTOR ALL TEH SHIT
04:57.36znfXuerian, that too, also, don't make me reload ui after I change skin
04:57.42znfthat's annoying :P
04:57.48znffor a person that a reload UI takes at least 1 minute
04:57.56Xuerianznf:  That's already done
04:57.59znfah, good
04:58.00XuerianWell
04:58.02Xuerianin working copy
04:59.04znfJerichoHM, my guess is if in memory grab the freshest, if not, grab all available, return the 1st item (by ID, lowest to highest)
04:59.18JerichoHMsounds like blizz to me lol
04:59.19znfwell, actually, s/newest/freshest/
04:59.37JerichoHMi'm almost tempted to start playing with that
05:02.26XuerianAntiarc: ping
05:03.49quiescensrun, anti!
05:04.24Xuerianquirks a brow at quiescens
05:05.26quiescensdies.
05:06.02JerichoHMit printed the raid finder one
05:06.03Xuerianscribbles in a notebook labeled "Experiments" after examining the results.
05:06.14JerichoHMthe last i acessed was the Heroic one :)
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05:10.52JerichoHMI'm guessing that it scans the DB of items by index and returns the first matched item (hence the lowest ilvl)
05:14.49mckenziemcassuming the lowest ilvl is the lowest id
05:15.02JerichoHMvalid point
05:15.25mckenziemccould even have two items made at different times with the same name o.o
05:15.48JerichoHMit doesn't say how it scans
05:16.02JerichoHMlike order wise
05:17.00mckenziemcprobably should consider it undefined
05:22.07JerichoHMI suppose if you were going to create a parser like that then you would eventually want to create a DB of Item ID's that share a name to allow for accuracy
05:22.47JerichoHMis scribbling notes lol
05:26.31JerichoHMinteresting there isn't a method to search for ALL items with that name and return ids as a choice or just all links relevant......
05:31.33Torhalboils mckenziemc in olive oil.
05:32.04JerichoHMOh I know a great test.  I'll get on a toon that is wearing the Normal T13 and test against that item name and see what it returns
05:33.43JerichoHMI tried it from the mage looking for the priests T13 piece and it just ignores me so it can't make the request
05:35.07JerichoHMthat settles why LL required a localized DB of the items
05:41.17JerichoHMoh well gnite
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05:56.54pompywb Torhal
05:57.15TorhalFuggin' computer overheated again. Yay.
05:57.23Torhalstabs the "techs" at the Apple Store.
05:57.53XuerianTorhal: Play Battlefield 3 on it. Instant overheat.
05:57.54XuerianOh wait...
05:58.02Torhal:P
05:58.23TorhalThey supposedly replaced the logic board, video card, and hard drive because it was overheating and powering itself off.
05:58.44TorhalIt's still doing it and all I'm doing is listening to music, coding, and having WoW open in the background for /reloadui
05:59.22XuerianTorhal: Dumb question, they checked the fan?
05:59.38XuerianAlso, if you haven't, limit wow's background fps to 10 or so.
05:59.55TorhalDude, I have no idea. Bastards had the machine for a week, at which point I called to check on the status and was told "Oh, yeah - it's waiting to be picked up!"
06:00.12TorhalThat doesn't matter, man. The machine shouldn't be doing that :P
06:00.31TorhalEspecially after they "replaced" all those parts.
06:00.39Xuerian"Logic board"
06:00.44TorhalSame symptoms? I call shenannigans.
06:00.47Xuerianlook_of_wtf
06:00.58TorhalMotherboard, basically.
06:01.45XuerianI figured, but wtf. Anyway, to quote a captain, "There are some things a man can do, and some things a man can't do." You, for example, can turn the background FPS down and keep it from overheating for now. You can't fix it.
06:01.57Xuerian(*this moment, likely)
06:02.49TorhalMeh, true.
06:03.11mckenziemclolmac
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06:03.27Torhalkick mckenziemc Mac-attack!
06:03.36TorhalOh, wait!
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06:03.41Torhal:D
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06:05.55mckenziemcfail Torhal
06:06.01mckenziemcthe correct response is "loltroll"
06:08.48XuerianI was going to say "The correct response is `PC MASTER RACE`", but I figured that would be racist.
06:08.52XuerianOops.
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06:12.05Torhalfails mckenziemc, who now has to go through kindergarten yet again.
06:12.59mckenziemc:(
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06:13.19mckenziemci just got done with some trigonometry though
06:25.38Megalonyou mean you watched some cos(b)
06:29.49mckenziemccot(k/√3), actually
06:32.09mckenziemcerr
06:32.11mckenziemcatan
06:39.24mckenziemchmm
06:39.38mckenziemclua> math.tan(30)
06:39.39lua_botmckenziemc: -6.4053311966463
06:39.51mckenziemclua> math.tan(math.pi/6)
06:39.52lua_botmckenziemc: 0.57735026918963
06:40.06mckenziemclua> math.sqrt(3)
06:40.07lua_botmckenziemc: 1.7320508075689
06:46.24Torhallua> math.how_does_it_work(mckenziemc)
06:46.25lua_botTorhal: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'how_does_it_work' (a nil value)
06:46.29Torhal!!!
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07:11.53XuerianSo I need some suggestions for the preset loot for the configuration "preview" loot pane.
07:12.01Xuerianinb4 thunderfury, et al
07:24.31quiescensglass of milk
07:24.59mckenziemcmilks quiescens.
07:25.02quiescensdies.
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09:13.13TorhalXuerian: Melon Juice
09:15.08XuerianMy head.. so fucked up.. Entirely changed how the addon builds itself. Not used to it -_-
09:16.01TorhalXuerian: Try auto-populating default DB options from a list of bitflags.
09:16.03Torhal:D
09:16.20XuerianWhy.. would you use bitflags
09:16.35TorhalHave you SEEN the number of filters in ARL? And I'm adding more.
09:16.42TorhalHaving those as bools is retarded.
09:16.49XuerianTo be fair I don't know what ARL is
09:16.54TorhalAckis Recipe List.
09:17.00Torhalstabs Ackis.
09:17.10XuerianFair enough
09:17.46TorhalAt one point every recipe had a pre-allocated table of 128 bools. Turning those into bitflags and only allocating when required chopped a fuckload of memory usage.
09:19.06TorhalI got tired of going into the DB defaults every time I added filters, so now I don't have to. I just add the flags and BOOM.
09:19.23Torhalfilets quiescens.
09:19.24XuerianSanity, who needs it
09:19.28TorhalHah
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09:25.45Megalonslaps Torhal around a bit with a larget bitflag
09:26.59mckenziemcright-shifts Megalon 53 times
09:30.08Megalonthanks, i hate being seated on the sides
09:36.38XuerianUser change a setting on the options page? BETTER RE-APPLY EVERY OPTION EVER
09:36.51Torhalo.O
09:37.47XuerianDoesn't leak memory. Just lags them a bit if they diddle the sliders >_>
09:38.21TorhalYou are frightening the children.
09:38.38XuerianNo...
09:38.41XuerianI'm configuring the children.
09:52.21Megalonmommy, mommy, xuerian told me to diddle his slider
09:52.45XuerianIt's alright Mrs Megalon. I'm a doctor.
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10:00.42TorhalSo you're "configuring" Megalon eh, Xuerian?
10:01.25mckenziemcconfigures Torhal for receiving Fisker
10:03.01Megalonfeels more like confingering
10:09.33Xuerianpushes to master, and passes out.
10:11.32Xueriangrunts, retags, then goes to pass out agian.
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10:55.50Fiskerhey mckenziemc1
10:56.17mckenziemc1hey Fisker
10:57.22hastenot not hey Fisker
10:57.32mckenziemchey not Fisker
11:07.30Megalonnot hey not Fisker not
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19:16.35Xueriano/
19:18.03mckenziemcstabs Xuerian.
19:18.56Xuerianstabs mckenziemc right back.
19:19.24mckenziemc):
19:19.35XuerianTOP O' THE MORNIN TO YE
19:19.42Stanzillaoh mr Xuerian
19:19.44Stanzillawe have to talk
19:19.50XuerianStanzilla: Uh oh.
19:19.57Stanzillayou addon triggered my ocd today :<
19:20.00Stanzilla*r
19:20.13XuerianUh oh. Which part.
19:21.31Stanzillawell first thing, you use the version number in addon listing
19:21.54Stanzillain the interface options
19:22.17XuerianSuggest a better name, or if I should just replace the old XLoot. Because that's the version number, but it is ALSO the name right now.
19:22.28Stanzillareplace the old xloot
19:22.44StanzillaI was just about to complain about the missing space between the name and the number D
19:22.45Stanzilla*:D
19:22.53Xuerian:P
19:23.21Stanzillaand having the number there makes your description text wrong, because it says it's listed as "Xloot" without a number!
19:23.33mckenziemcreplace stanzilla imo
19:23.38Stanzilla=(
19:23.51Xuerianimport Stanzilla from AlternateDimenions
19:24.11Xuerian..
19:24.14XuerianI just woke up don't judge me
19:24.23Stanzillanext thing is http://i.imgur.com/oj38t.png
19:24.35StanzillaI kinda want a bit more spacing below the "link" and "close" text
19:25.06XuerianHm. I think that has to do with the padding for that Masque skin. I could use some input on that math, really
19:25.34Stanzillacould use some more padding in the default skin, too
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19:26.05XuerianWhat, just more whitespace on the bottom in general? cause the padding is pretty even on the default one.
19:26.08Stanzillajust to have the same amount of space between text and next border (top = last item bottom border; bottom = end of frame)
19:26.15Stanzillayes
19:26.22Stanzillaso it looks more vertically centered
19:29.15XuerianI might be off by a couple pixels but it looks centered on default and legacy. o_0
19:30.54Stanzilla2 pixe to be exact :D
19:30.56Stanzilla*l
19:32.01Xuerian¬.¬
19:32.17Xuerian2 pixels too low yeah?
19:32.23Stanzillahttp://i.imgur.com/nyzY6.png
19:32.32Stanzillatop is 5, bottom 3
19:32.44mckenziemc2 pixels too high :P
19:32.44Stanzillaand don't hate me bro :D
19:33.33Xuerian*/script XLootFrame.link:SetPoint('BOTTOM', 0, 3)
19:33.48Xuerianor XLootFramePreview, whichever
19:34.47Yoshimobagnon doesnt track items in voidstorage does it?
19:35.22StanzillaXuerian: yes, better :)
19:36.16XuerianWhole bottom need to be taller, or does that fix the problem?
19:36.43Stanzillathat script makes it 4-4 which looks ok
19:48.15XuerianWell, that resolved I still need feedback on the dimensions guessing for masque skins. http://pastebin.com/7aLZ6zdy - or lines 165-167
19:48.36XuerianYours seems like the border is a bit thick, but on thinner skins it seems just right. What masque skin are you using, anyway?
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20:13.24znfXuerian, the color picker opens up behind the Interface Config. frame
20:15.59Xuerianznf: Not for me, both with better blizz on and off o_0
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20:18.05znfmine does ;-/
20:18.05znfand I don't have anything that modifies that
20:25.28XuerianJust disabled all my addons, still works =\
20:25.30XuerianNot sure what to tell you
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20:47.47Xuerianznf: I'm not sure how to even try to replicate that.
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20:55.56znf"better blizz"?
20:56.26znfwhat addon is that? :P
20:57.25Yoshimodo we have an addon that makes the character frame and the reforge window wider?
20:57.58znfgerman... pfft
20:58.15znfYoshimo, we do, it's called enGB :D
20:59.32XuerianZarhan: Better Blizz Options, makes it movable and resizable
20:59.52Xuerianer
20:59.57Yoshimoznf, that is your personal copy of "42" isnt it?
21:00.03Xuerianmissping. znf: Better Blizz Options
21:00.27znfYoshimo, just messing with you and your german localization that makes tooltips 1mile long :P
21:01.38Yoshimoin this case an addon that converts rating to % , and the reforge window being rather narrow by default
21:02.07znfYoshimo, can't find that :P
21:02.12znferm @ Xuerian
21:02.49Xuerianznf: http://www.wowace.com/addons/better-blizz-options/
21:03.04znfthat's why it doesn't show up in searches?
21:03.20XuerianThe abandoned bit probably
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21:23.12znfder wahnisinnige!
21:25.16mckenziemcwat
21:27.07znfthat's "The Insane" in german, the title
21:28.37XuerianStanzilla: Honestly, I think I'm just going to have to add a few sliders to allow tweaking masque skins. =\ Not sure where I'm going to put it though. Either a panel under the loot frame or on a separate options tab. Opinion?
21:29.08XuerianNot right now, though. Tired of working on this branch =X
21:33.43XuerianStanzilla: Also just pushed a tweak for Caith, see if that looks better.
21:39.03Stanzillawill do
21:39.14Stanzillaand I agree that adding sliders is better than adding tweaks for every skin
21:53.13XuerianWell that's strange. My equipment sets just reset.
21:53.42Xuerianor I can't see them... o.0
21:53.52mckenziemci had them disappear once (no addons loaded iirc) then reappear after a reload
21:56.01StanzillaXuerian: just relog
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21:56.09XuerianYeah... that worked
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22:57.27Xuerianlooks at his latency graph.
22:57.33Xuerianokay.jpg :[
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23:09.49StanzillaXuerian: http://pastebin.com/S09NKCrr
23:10.58XuerianCool, CLOSE_LOOT without having ever opened.
23:10.59Xuerianadds another insanity check
23:16.50XuerianStanzilla: Pushed, it should package in a minute.
23:17.46Stanzillahokay
23:19.36mckenziemcXuerian: true
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23:42.35znfwhat was the shortcut key for enabling the in-built frame-rate counter?
23:44.44mckenziemccontrol r
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