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01:49.51Repo10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r8885 / (3 files in 2 directories): DragonSoul/DeathwingMadness: Better warnings, no crashes.
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02:02.02Repo- Added an option to hide aura statuses on pets/vehicles (ticket #572)
02:02.03Repo- Added options for showing duration and/or stack count using the status color and/or text (ticket #421, patch provided by Jlam).
02:02.04Repo- Removed the "Show duration for center cooldown" option. If you do not wish to see aura durations, disable the cooldown animation on the center icon on the Frame options tab.
02:02.05Repo- Added checks for some division by zero errors in 4.3
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02:47.18RepoSince there is still a cata cast bar present, shorten the initial cata bar by 60 seconds to make it spell CD instead of 3 min cast bar, so there aren't two cat bars at once for last 60 sec.
02:58.49Repo10yorsahjpriority: 03misterb1986 * r34 Config.lua: Update defaults to match icy-veins priority.
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03:50.54Venaranevcairiel: Heya. Is it at all possible to change the strata of the bartender bars? :) I want something to overlap them but I can't, even with set to "High".
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08:42.01sbumorgen!
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10:24.46ZasurusIs there anyone here who can kick the packager into life for hg? It seems to have fallen asleep...
10:25.12Zasurus:O Curse didn't give it an xmas holiday did they! ;-)
10:26.01ElkanoI blame Torhal...
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10:27.52ZasurusLOL If he's around to fix it I'm sooo up for blaming him to! ;)
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11:48.01Humbedoohhi hi
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12:28.34Repo10ailo: 03Starfox * r180 Ailo.lua: 150 valor points it is :c
12:32.48stencilIs there anyone on for whom wow's in game calender doesn't have Sunday as the first day of the week? If so, I'd like to know whether the following returns the correct day of the week for you:  /run print( ({CalendarGetWeekdayNames()})[date("*t").wday] )
12:34.52stencilOh, and my question basically assumes that wow will display the calendar so that it conforms with the standards of the locale. If that's not the case, say Monday is considered the start of the week where you are but wow's calender starts with Sunday, that information would be useful to me as well.
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13:04.14Humbedoohbecause it's American crap :p
13:04.38Humbedoohsome standards say Sunday is first, others say Monday
13:04.59stencilyep - I'm just trying to figure out how the game deals with that
13:05.14Humbedoohand since Lua uses 1,2,3,4,5 and not 0,1,2,3,4, it's best to skip the whole day 0 thing
13:05.27Humbedoohin C or whatever, sunday would probably be 0
13:05.49stencilwhether they go with the standard of the locale or not for what's displayed
13:07.03Humbedoohdoes weekdays[7] yield Sunday then?
13:07.17Humbedoohhasn't played WoW for a year or so ;p
13:07.56stencilwell, for me, CalenderGetWeekdayNames returns Sunday as the first in the list
13:08.33Humbedooh...but you're curious whether it does for others?
13:09.35stencilI'm trying to find out if there are other locales where that's not the case for wow. And in those locales, even if they change the order for CalenderGetWeekdayNames, I want to see if the implementation of date keeps sunday as ordinal one for the .wday field (as described in the lua reference manual) or if that goes locale specific too
13:11.02HumbedoohI don't think it's a locale-specific return in that sense
13:11.06Humbedoohthat would be utterly stupid ;>
13:11.16stencilthe whole issue I'm trying to figure out is whether on getting the current time, I can correctly calculate when the next server reset happens which requires figuring out what day of the week we currently are (so I can figure out when the next Tuesday (or Wed for EU regions) is)
13:11.23Humbedoohunless they also had a function that told you which day is Sunday
13:12.13Humbedoohafaik, Sunday coming first is not a thing that's a rule in any national sense
13:12.22Humbedoohit's just ISO or not ISO
13:13.12stencilthats the thing - *if* the calender shows the days in locale order, and the Names function matches that, then I'm looking at using date as the means to figure out if sunday is first or note
13:13.40stencilby comparing .wday with the first value returned from CalendarGetDate()
13:13.55vhaarrstencil: GetSavedInstanceInfo() returns the number of seconds until the instance resets, for instances you are saved to
13:14.16stencilright - but Raid Finder raids don't have instance lockout times
13:14.28stencilAFAIK they reset at the same time the weekly valor cap does
13:14.42stenciland I don't know of a blizz provided function for finding that time
13:15.32stencilwhich is where figuring out how long it will be until 3:00 AM next Tuesday (or Wed for EU) comes into play heh
13:18.15Humbedoohcan't help you there ;\
13:18.23stenciland once I'm dealing with day positions within the week, that's where I get curious about which functions use an order based off locale versus always using Sunday first
13:18.26Humbedoohand in any case, I needa go see a shrink now~
13:18.51stencilnormally it takes me much longer to drive people crazy
13:19.05quiescensyou must be getting better at it
13:27.21vhaarrGetLFDLockPlayerCount, GetLFDLockInfo
13:29.00vhaarrmeh, I dunno, but any API that blizz gives is going to be better than relying on something providing stuff in a specific order
13:29.21stencilwell, I know how to figure out for the current character whether they are locked or not
13:29.37vhaarrand obviously they have an API for it somewhere since it shows up in the LFR window when you hover the /!\
13:29.40stencilthis is about invalidating saved data for characters you haven't logged into yet since the reset
13:30.11vhaarrso they have a means of figuring out whether you are locked or not to LFR, but not how long until the lock expires?
13:30.19stencilexactly
13:30.43vhaarrseems weird that they would not model it on GetSavedInstanceInfo
13:30.44stencilif you pop open the games raid UI where it shows lockout times for raids and instances the LFR raids are not listed there
13:31.25stencilalso, would like to be able to update saved data for whether a toon is VP capped for the week
13:32.09vhaarrI don't see the problem
13:32.30stencilwhich is the model that LFR is using, so I figure it out I'll actually fix a bug that's been around a bit
13:32.37stencilsorry? don't see the problem where?
13:33.16vhaarrwith finding out if a toon is VP capped or not
13:33.32stenciloh, well, its easy for the toon you are currently on
13:33.37stencilbut knowing it for your alts ...
13:33.51vhaarrpresumably you run the addon on all characters you play
13:34.29stencilyes. but we'd like to be able to invalidate expired data without having to log into each character first
13:34.39stencilyou can do that with regular raid locks
13:35.16stencilsince you can save out the expire times. and then on any toon compare those times to the current and remove for your alts expired locks from the tracker
13:35.46stencilbut with something like figuring out whether the VP total for that alt is valid, that's harder
13:37.09stencilwe can timestamp those VP totals when logging out of those alts, but we need a time to compare it to in order to see that "oh, the weekly reset happened since then, its safe to reset that total for that alt"
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13:37.57Boernyhi
13:38.10stencilhello
13:38.28vhaarrjust use date() then
13:39.41stencilyeah, I just want to get confirmation that when you get a table from date("*t") that the wday field is guaranteed to always have the order of Sunday = 1
13:39.58Mikkit is guaranteed
13:40.08MikkBUT i'd use server time if i was you
13:40.19stencilwhy?
13:40.31Mikkbecause it's less likely to be wrong
13:40.37stenciloh, or do you mean as the input to date?
13:40.38Mikkor moved to the wrong time zone
13:40.46vhaarrI would not use server time, since instance servers can be in different time zones
13:40.58vhaarrcompared to your world server
13:41.10Mikkaha.. so only server time when not in an instance?
13:41.20vhaarrwell, in some cases they are the same
13:41.22vhaarrin others, not
13:41.28Mikkyeah it's always same in .eu for instance
13:41.51Mikkfor instance for instances
13:41.52Mikkcackles
13:41.54vhaarrI'd use date() since then you just rely on the users computer being sane
13:42.06vhaarrand not blizzards WAN setup
13:42.09Mikkthat's far far from guaranteed
13:42.17Mikklost battery -> hi 1980
13:42.29vhaarrindeed, but blizzard being not sane is a fact
13:42.45Mikkbut if they're insane
13:42.49Mikkthey'd still reset according to their insane time
13:42.55vhaarrno
13:43.04quiescensi think people will deal with dates being wrong if they lose their battery
13:43.11vhaarrthe point is that the addon would behave differently depending on whether it checked its times when your toon is in an instance or not
13:43.24Mikkyes, hence i said "dont look at the time while in an instance"!
13:43.27quiescensan addon displaying the wrong time thingy isn't the worst thing that could possibly happen from your date being set wrong
13:43.42vhaarryou did?
13:43.45vhaarrwhen? :P
13:43.55MikkMikk: aha.. so only server time when not in an instance?
13:44.05Mikkok sorry i see how that was fuzzy
13:44.07Mikkit's what i meant =)
13:44.08vhaarrah, I misread that then
13:44.09vhaarrokay
13:44.28vhaarrIsInInstance() indeed
13:44.47Mikkhm wait
13:44.53Mikkhow does resets work in US?
13:45.09vhaarrhe'd need a table of each region with a reset mapping
13:45.20vhaarrI have no idea when other regions reset, but it's not wednesday
13:45.33Mikkyeah i know it's tuesday morning in US
13:45.38stencilyeah, and because I can screw up, I'll have dropdowns with the day of the week and hour for manual adjustment as needed
13:45.40Mikkwas more curious about times
13:45.55stenciltues 3:00 am, 4:00 am during DST
13:45.55Mikki guess our americans are still sleeping
13:46.05Mikkin your local time zone?
13:46.12stencilheh, no, this american is up way way late :)
13:46.18Mikkor well the servers local time zone i mean
13:46.20quiescensgoto sleep
13:46.21stencilwell, my time is server time
13:46.36Mikkso west coast / east coast servers don't reset at the same time
13:46.40stencilhmmm --- that's actually something I'm not sure about
13:46.49Mikkwhere are you?
13:46.52stencilSeattle
13:47.05Mikkso it COULD in fact be 6am east coast
13:47.06stencilI believe they all go down for maintenance at the same time though
13:47.09vhaarrI thought only Frasier and Daphne lived in Seattle
13:47.23stencilhow do you know I'm not one of them?
13:47.27Mikkhaha
13:47.28vhaarrcommon misconception, I'm sure
13:47.34stencilI'm not of course. I'm actually the dog.
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13:48.04vhaarrI forget what the thing with the dog was
13:48.07stenciland yeah, the servers do all go down at the same time
13:48.24stencilwasn't it a Jack Russel Terrier?
13:48.32vhaarryes, but what was so special about it?
13:48.37stencilthat's all I remember. didn't watch the show a lot.
13:48.53vhaarrah well, Niles was the best part anyway
13:49.24stenciltruth
13:50.56stencilso, Mikk, where are you?
13:51.00Mikk.se
13:51.22Mikkvhaarr is .dk
13:51.24stenciland does the ingame calender start with sunday or monday as first day of week?
13:51.40Mikkdoesn't matter. lua apis state that sunday=1
13:51.58Mikkingame calendar starts with monday here
13:51.59stencilheh - what can I say, I'm not the trusting sort
13:52.05stencillike to test things to be sure
13:52.07Mikksec triplechecking
13:52.22Mikkwday=6 atm
13:52.33Mikkso yes sunday wday=1 still, even though calendar starts with monday
13:52.50stencilthanks!
13:53.00Mikkreason being Lua was invented in brazil by exported portuguese
13:53.08Mikkwhere sunday is "Domingo"
13:53.13Mikk="the first day"
13:53.19Mikkfreely translated ofc
13:53.21stencilso, out of curiosity, is the first value returned from CalenderGetDate()  5?
13:53.28Mikkchecking!
13:53.36Mikk6
13:54.14stencilinteresting .... that would imply that CalendarGetWeekdayNames() will return Sunday first as well
13:54.32Mikkcorrect
13:54.51stenciland that they're handling the different start date only in the display of the calender and not in any of the apis
13:54.58stencilgood to know, thanks much! :)
13:59.07stencilpoking around in blizzard_calendar.lua it looks like maybe CALENDAR_FIRST_WEEKDAY can be used to find the localized week ordering if that was ever needed
14:02.31stencilwhen I first started looking at this I had the weird idea that if blizz did shift the indexes for the days, and if they had the calendars start with Monday for all of europe, then you'd have the situation where even though US resets on Tues morning and Europe on Wednesdays they would actually have the same day of the week index ... (cue twilight zone music)
14:09.27Mikkwow
14:09.45Mikktueday=wednesday
14:09.46Mikki never knew =)
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15:13.56Repoznf: http://www.wowace.com/addons/big-wigs/. BigWigs Bossmods. Game: WoW. funkydude (Manager/Author), Ammo (Author), Maat (Author), Rabbit (Author). Updated: 11 hours ago. Tickets: 17/434
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15:16.17znfmy curse client seems to ignore the fact that there's r8888 of BigWigs
15:21.27Funkeh`I see it fine on mine
15:25.44znf:-/
15:28.44quiescensmaybe your computer doesn't like the number 8
15:29.54Funkeh`have you got the latest curse client or have you had it open the past few days
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15:44.46Repo10collectinator: 03Ackis 07master * 1.0.16a-10-ga3a42fb / (5 files in 3 directories): [+8 commits] (4 truncated)
15:44.47Repoa3a42fb: More db re-org.  Most of the shit has been put into its proper category.  I'm sure I messed something up somewhere.
15:44.48Repo503a97d: Update the seasonal pets, most of them were made BoE.  Added a few missing flags as well.
15:44.49Repof925db9: More DB maintenance.  Also fixed some flags/entries for childrens week.
15:44.50Repo5cb8137: Organize purchased pets.  Change flags to BoP as they aren't BoA, except for the Guardian Cub which is technically BoE.
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16:39.54znfFunkeh`, yes I have the new "updated" one
16:39.59znfnew icon and crap
16:40.52Funkeh`click refresh/reopen it?
16:42.05znfdone it 5 times already
16:42.11znfeven rebooted PC meanwhile :P
16:42.28znfoh, wait a second
16:42.35znfwho changed my preference from alpha to beta? >_<
16:42.40znfbecause I'm sure as f* I didn't
16:42.53znfall my addons are prefered release type - alpha
16:42.54znf>_<
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17:00.54Funkeh`znf, It was the same for me
17:01.01Funkeh`I think they changed the default from release to beta
17:01.06Funkeh`which overwrote the setting
17:01.40Funkeh`they have some pretty silly people in charge of it
17:04.23znfwell, no offence, but all their programmers (on the website and tools) seem silly
17:09.54Mikktorhal is silly!
17:09.58Mikkducks runs & hides
17:09.59nicoli_swell as one of the people you are talking about, i def take offense
17:10.19nicoli_sand this was the biggest update to the client in terms of functionality since release, and the first with a new dev, theres guaranteed to be a few hiccups
17:11.14Mikkis actually in swdev professionally and knows that Shit Happens(tm) - no insults intended from me
17:13.08MikkGranted, if the company invests more in QA processes and methodical testing, less silliness reaches the end users. But that's a separate argument from developer superhuman-ness.
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17:13.47nicoli_swell i can agree 100% we need more QA people
17:16.19MysticalOSclient update? we don't get those :) http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-osx/
17:16.48nicoli_syeah, we are still looking for a objective C dev
17:17.15MysticalOSi thought kaelten whipped it together?
17:19.08nicoli_she did, but hes head of our php/linux team now, so he doesnt have the time to work on it anymore like it needs
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17:20.42quiescensso we can blame Kaelten anyway right?
17:21.48nicoli_sgo for it
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17:25.18Stanzillanicoli_s: why is the client changelog so short if it was such a big update? :o
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17:28.59nicoli_sStanzilla:because most of it was skryim stuff + rearchitecting stuff
17:30.34BlueAckisFishManhey nicoli_s if I don't know anything about objective C, will you guys hire me and let me work from Canada? :P
17:31.17StanzillaI wish I could kick you (
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17:34.11Stanzillaa bit
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17:54.54KivinWho would one talk to about a non-functional curse client if the support site isn't helpful
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18:02.07BlueAckisFishManKivin: did you submit a ticket on the support site or just read through the faq's/etc? (assuming you did just making sure)
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18:07.48KivinBlueAckisFishMan: We read through many similiar reports, which have been censored with canned responses and closed without resolution.
18:08.08Kivinsimilar*
18:14.51KivinThe client originally was giving some obscure error related to the screen size being incorrect, then crashing to desktop. By following the support center instructions (such as deleting the 2.0 folder and so on) it now runs in the tray but the actual window will not show up
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18:20.36BlueAckisFishManKivin: I don't have any better answer for you :( the client support team doesn't hang out here I believe
18:21.04KivinAlright... guess it's a lost cause
18:21.07KivinThanks
18:21.45nicoli_sill get the dev in here
18:21.54nicoli_she will usually pop in here if an error cant be resolved
18:21.55Humbedoohsoothes BlueAckisFishMan...there, there, everything will be allright
18:22.18Humbedoohthe dev is evil
18:22.22Kivinnicoli_s: ty
18:22.23BlueAckisFishMannicoli_s: I was hoping you'd say that!
18:22.34BlueAckisFishMannicoli_s: is Denny alive/
18:22.37nicoli_styler is pretty good about helping people
18:22.43nicoli_sBlueAckisFishMan:havent seen him in a few days
18:22.46nicoli_sthink hes on vaca
18:23.15BlueAckisFishManor dead in a ditch!
18:24.07nicoli_slol so positive :P
18:25.01GnarfozI only joined just now
18:25.14Gnarfozwhat's the problem with the client? crashes on startup after updating recently?
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18:25.31BlueAckisFishManwait Gnarfoz is the client dev?
18:25.35GnarfozI'm not.
18:25.37KivinHi Gnarfoz. The original problem was that the client was producing some arcane error message about an incorrect screen size, then CTDing.
18:25.42Gnarfozbut that's a common problem people had today ;)
18:25.46nicoli_sthe dev will be here in a sec
18:25.47Gnarfozerr... the last 2 days
18:26.14KivinWe following the steps on the support site, including updating drivers, .net install, trashing the 2.0 folder, et al. Now the app runs in the tray but the actual window wont display.
18:26.24Humbedoohthe dev is the evil .NET man :(
18:26.29Gnarfozoh ok, I was going to suggest the 2.0 folder
18:26.29Gnarfoz;)
18:28.29KivinThanks anywho Gnarfoz :)
18:28.53BlueAckisFishManjust wait online for a bit, the dev will jump on
18:28.56BlueAckisFishMannicoli_s works with him
18:29.04nicoli_syeah he just got back on his comp
18:29.05KivinIndeedy. Ty both.
18:29.08nicoli_shes actually right next to me
18:29.20BlueAckisFishMando you two stare into each others eyes?
18:29.41Gnarfozthat would be 'across from me' ;p
18:30.15nicoli_swe got cubes ackis
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18:48.13Kivinnicoli_s: Anything I should be doing or should I just wait?
18:48.36nicoli_shes actually eating lunch right this second, but i let him know about you
18:48.48KivinOkay, thank you.
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19:53.35Kivinnicoli_s: I'm not really sure if I missed the person I'm supposed to be waiting for
19:55.24nicoli_slet me check with him
19:57.51nicoli_si think he actually left for the day :( but if you have a link for your client ticket, i can email it to him so he can be sure to get to it when he gets back
19:58.37KivinI would have appreciated knowing that instead of waiting here for ninety minutes for nothing. I never filed a ticket because I have links to two dozen tickets identical to my own which didn't get resolved... that's why I came here.
20:00.45nicoli_ssorry, i thought he was gonna come on here, he normally does :(
20:00.48KivinI read ticket after ticket and they all provide the same canned response ".net is corrupt" "the installation is corrupt" "update your drivers" then close the ticket without resolution.
20:01.04KivinSo I can't really say I'm surprised
20:01.13nicoli_swell if you can create one and link it to me i can send it to him personally
20:02.18Kivinhttp://clientsupport.curse.com/ticket.aspx?id=14606 <- there's a link to the identical issue to mine. the log file on my wife's computer (the one which is having problems) is identical to the one in that ticket.
20:03.34nicoli_salright i passed it on to him, im really sorry about having you wait for nothing, i really did expect he was gonna come in here
20:07.16KivinKeep in mind that isn't my own personal ticket... I found that on google while researching the issue, which an awful lot of people seem to have
20:08.45nicoli_syeah i let him know
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20:22.52MysticalOScan anyone think of any spells or items with a christmas tree icon? or know the icon path for one?
20:27.50Yoshimohttp://www.wowhead.com/item=17197 ?
20:28.29Yoshimomade by http://www.wowhead.com/spell=21143
20:28.47Yoshimoinv_misc_food_62  according to wowhead
20:39.57GnarfozZarnivoop: is it possible Skada mana gain module is broken? we're missing replenishment data for a lot of players
20:40.00Gnarfozrecount seems to get it tall
20:40.02Gnarfoz*it all
20:42.51ZarnivoopGnarfoz: will check. tbh I have not even opened that view in like 2 years.
20:44.42Gnarfozhehe
20:44.46GnarfozI haven't ever, before, either
20:44.56Gnarfozbut my priest was confused when he looked at it
20:54.45ZarnivoopGnarfoz: yup, seems so. no replenishment listed for me.
20:54.57Gnarfozit lists it for some people, but not for all
20:55.03Gnarfozquite weird ^^
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21:05.49znfregarding mana and replenishment, it seemed that my fellow shadowpriests were the beneficiary of the most replenishments in my group
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21:30.42Archarodimis there an add-on to maintain macros in different languages?
21:45.50Humbedoohuhm yes? ;<
21:45.58HumbedoohL["your macro here"]
21:46.29HumbedoohLibLocale or whatever should work
21:56.30RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/saybox/. SayBox. xFuture (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis.
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