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01:40.52vhaarrwith the latest wine git I can install games via steam without applying any haxx0rz
01:40.54vhaarrprogress!
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02:23.33Repo10libauctionscan (experimental): 03sapu94 * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): First commit!
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02:28.04Repo10libauctionscan (experimental): 03sapu94 * r3 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added .docmeta, .pkgmeta, and changelog.txt
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02:31.27Repo10libauctionscan (experimental): 03sapu94 * r4 ChangeLog.txt:
02:31.28RepoI guess the packager doesn't like when the changelog is completely empty (it may be stuck).
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02:34.36Repo10libauctionscan (experimental): 03sapu94 * r5 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added LibStub
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02:40.51Repo10libauctionscan (experimental): 03sapu94 * r7 / (3 files in 1 directory): another test
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02:54.41Repo10libauctionscan (experimental): 03sapu94 * r10 .docmeta: test
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03:00.37Sapuok who's a .docmeta expert...I can't seem to figure it out http://www.wowace.com/paste/4014/ is my .docmeta file and http://www.wowace.com/paste/4015/ is a portion of my AuctionItem.lua file
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03:24.39Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.4.0-11-g2e13951 ShadowedUnitFrames.lua: [+1 commit] Syntax cleanup
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05:00.41Repo10xperl: 03mysticalos 043.1.6 * r571 : Tagging as 3.1.6
05:00.42RepoFixed for PTR 4.3
05:00.43RepoMisc other fixes
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05:12.23Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.4.1-1-g8c71d86 options/config.lua: [+1 commit] Power/quick power/alt power now have their own category in the config, the other misc power bars are split off into a class/misc bars category
05:27.37MysticalOShmm, the mods moved my divide by 0 thread to PTR bug forums, a silent way to confirm that wasn't intended then? :)
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05:48.25mckenziemc1where was it before
05:48.32mckenziemc1MysticalOS
05:48.40mckenziemc1and hello blu
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05:49.07MysticalOSi created topic in UI and macro forums, now it has a redirect to where they moved the thread to, PTR bug forums
05:49.47MysticalOSi take that as acknowledgement enough that it wasn't intended :)
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06:04.42mckenziemc1well if it's a bug that's not present on live it belongs in the PTR forums...
06:08.54mckenziemc1stuffs dry ice in Groktar's pockets
06:09.32Groktarsticks the dry ice to mckenziemc1's face
06:12.09mckenziemc1ow :(
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06:31.33Megalonpretty cool face you got there mckenziemc1, hohoho!
06:33.54mckenziemc1D:
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08:17.30Repo10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * 1.0.13-12-g921fb05 Database/Vendor.lua: [+1 commit] Update Blix Fixwidget's coordinates
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09:47.41quiescens):
09:47.44quiescensinternets is breaking
09:49.11Megalonbreaking bad?
09:49.23quiescensthink so
09:49.31Megalonbetter start cooking
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12:32.41quiescensi forsee a phone call to isp or telco in the nearishfuture
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15:25.32Funkeh`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av35kFHdS50&hd=1
15:30.08SlaymanHe said engage, and I pressed the button!
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15:54.57Repo10weakauras: 03CommanderSirow * r182 / (6 files in 1 directory):  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
15:54.58Repo* Fixed options for cooldowns progress not requiring spell/item id
15:54.59Repo* Added "Battleground emotes" to the chat trigger (battleground notices)
15:55.00Repo* Fixed aura trigger, Unit=group option should now work in battlegrounds
15:55.01Repo(Please post comments/ticket if there are still any quirks left)
16:07.01Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.4.1-2-g1762720 / (4 files in 3 directories): [+1 commit] Added support for ranged temporary enchants (4.3) - Changed stealable support to be based on stealable or purgable depending on class, will use a different border color if it can be removed. This can also be set in Advanced -> Colors -> Stealable or Removable in options (4.3)
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17:13.11Funkeh`so BF3
17:13.53Funkeh`requires origin, requires IE 32bit, requires an IE 32bit plugin, requires the browser to be open to browse the server list
17:14.04Funkeh`how badly can you ruin this game
17:15.17Funkeh`as if it wasnt bad enough requiring origin, they now make you install a browser plugin which ONLY works ont he 32bit version of IE. I', tired of updating flash every other week because of exploits, who in the right mind thought a browser plugin would be a good idea
17:16.01Funkeh`gonna try more of the actual gameplay before I think about cancelling the preorder
17:17.05quiescensdon't do it~
17:17.10quiescensboycott~!
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17:42.03sbuerrr
17:42.07sbudid you break ragnaros bigwigs? :D
17:43.23Ackis@project mogit
17:43.24RepoAckis: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/mogit/. MogIt. Game: WoW. Aelobin (Manager/Author). Updated: 17 days ago
17:45.25Funkeh`sbu, elaborate
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18:03.18StanzillaFunkeh`: how does it require ie?
18:03.36Funkeh`it's a 32bit activex control
18:03.37Stanzillathe plugin worked in chrome
18:03.44Funkeh`really?
18:03.46Stanzillayes
18:04.07Funkeh`still, a plguin...
18:04.14Funkeh`it's just so dumb
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18:04.31Funkeh`feels like we're going back in time when every website required some activex control
18:04.34Stanzillai dont like the whole launching from a website thingy
18:04.36Stanzillabut it works for me
18:05.02GnarfozI had a fun experience with IE today :>
18:05.34genetiklies. unless you got to uninstall it.
18:06.20Repo10retardcheck: 03oscarucb 041.4 * r59 : Tagging as 1.4
18:06.36Funkeh`there's 64bit and 64bit java which means 64bit IE/firefox is plausible now
18:06.45Funkeh`to introduce this is just a slap in the face :(
18:07.27genetikat least they didn't write the plugin in VRML
18:08.12Funkeh`there's 64bit flash*, missing out entire words ftl
18:08.35Slaymanso weakauras, can I make a display for my combopoints with it? if so where should I start?
18:08.41Stanzilla64bit flash is not final yet
18:09.11Funkeh`neither is 64bit fx or ie10 :p
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18:10.32Slaymangot it under status, nicely nice
18:11.12Funkeh`Stanzilla, what happens when a month from now some big exploit is found, or some smart person finds that EA is using it maliciously for some kind of tracking or profiling. even worse, a different website!
18:11.19StanzillaFunkeh`: but there already are 64bit ie finals
18:11.30StanzillaI dont want to know!
18:13.15Funkeh`true, I used to use Chrome, but I only started using 64bit IE10 when I installed the win8 dev to try it and found myself not caring much anymore
18:13.50Stanzillanah; I would miss too many chrome features
18:14.13Funkeh`maybe I can make a script to enable/disable the plugins
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18:17.07Funkeh`ill try it more tomorow, but im really not comfortable with all this
18:17.17Funkeh`feels like PC keeps getting bent over and console has it fine
18:19.26Gnarfozgenetik: https://plus.google.com/100436507998380808296/posts/VJjz4aLo47a :>
18:20.22nevcairielI don't get it, isnt it widely known that IE6 is just broken
18:21.12Gnarfozit affects IE up to 8
18:21.29Gnarfoz(and there's still way more than enough business people on ie6 :()
18:21.49nevcairielwe finally started to change to IE8 just last week!
18:21.54Funkeh`no real home user would consider ie under 9
18:21.58Funkeh`only businesses
18:22.01nevcairielrollout will be going on until end of october
18:22.18nevcairiel40000 less users of IE6. :P
18:22.28Funkeh`<PROTECTED>
18:22.34Funkeh`not going to win7?
18:22.41Gnarfozsadly, it's not an in house problem, so not under our control
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18:23.12Funkeh`luckily my uni updated to win7, just in time for my final year
18:23.29nevcairielyou can get win7 on request, but doing a all-out rollout on the whole company is probably still too much. :p
18:23.29Funkeh`still on IE8 though, but they have chromium and firefox available so no worries
18:24.07Funkeh`fair enough, I can imagine how crazy it would be
18:24.25nevcairielI'm just happy we can finally stop supporting IE6
18:25.00Funkeh`hearing people moving off it has an odd tendancy to make one happy
18:25.39Funkeh`http://www.ie6countdown.com/ maybe one day
18:25.59Gnarfozthe best thing about that is that it's a microsoft site
18:26.15nevcairielMS wants to get everyone updated as well, of course
18:26.24nevcairielthey want to stop releasing security updates. :p
18:26.35nevcairielchina is red, what a surprise
18:26.40Funkeh`and I want to stop hearing about security flaws
18:27.18Funkeh`looks like finland and norway are the winners
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18:28.11nevcairielMS honestly got their security business under control though
18:28.43nevcairielLately, its Apple with their pants down alot. :p
18:31.10mckenziemc"Friends don’t let friends use Internet Explorer 6." ^^
18:31.35Funkeh`I seem to hear that a lot lately nevcairiel
18:34.53Yoshimothe only place i have seen ie lately is : work ;)
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19:51.11Repo10halonatools: 03Broliant * r47 / (4 files in 2 directories): HalonaTools:
19:51.12Repo2011-09-29 ("Why So Serious:2.10")
19:51.13Repo- Updated feature "Auto Set Master Looter" - Check if best person is already ML.
19:51.40Repo10halonatools: 03Broliant 04Release-2.10 * r48 : HalonaTools: Tagging as release of version 2.10.
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20:19.12StanzillaShefki: will you fix ptr stuff in pb?
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20:23.01Yoshimoi would wait until next built
20:24.55nevcairielprencher: so, i got a PM today on the page, and i read it, but ever since, the PM button on the top page won't shut up, and always shows "1 PM", even though i already read it
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20:31.23StanzillaYoshimo: I actually meant in general
20:34.04StanzillaYoshimo: and http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/200768/43-and-divide-by-0
20:34.13Stanzillathey say it will stay that way
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20:35.59MysticalOShttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3279039146?page=1 heh there you have it
20:36.13MysticalOS"intended change" interesting
20:36.22Stanzillathat's what I linked :(
20:36.30MysticalOSah i just popped in
20:36.59MysticalOSeasy to work around on mac but apparently not so much on win32, throws exceptions
20:37.30MysticalOShttp://www.mysticalos.com/nan.jpg
20:37.31Stanzillathat's what I get for hiding joins/parts, sorry :p
20:43.13Yoshimowhy would that be intended?
20:43.46MysticalOSbecause everyone should use macs obviously :P
20:43.53MysticalOSi kid, who knows
20:46.00Yoshimoi thought they dont like any other os than windows^^
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21:18.44kerhongLF someone to help improve this http://i.imgur.com/3vkBT.jpg (arena spectator UI for Arena-Tournament.com). Requires auras and pets. PM for more info
21:21.44hastein b4 something based on oUF >:3
21:23.09hastenevcairiel:  ^ that site is mighty emulator btw
21:23.56nebula169was gonna say, and works with 3.3.5 or 2.4.3 lol
21:24.02Slayman4.3 breaks the ability for AddOns to divide by zero, however that worked in the first place as math does not allow that
21:24.57hasteSlayman: welcome to IEEE 754
21:26.39Slaymanaccording to that IEE 754 division by zero provides an error flag
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21:30.49nebula169raises an exception, which i assume is what happens in the client now?
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21:53.27Yoshimoi think it was a #132 crash yea
21:56.21MysticalOS<PROTECTED>
22:02.57arkanesMysticalOS: post a request for them to add NAN and INF values to math explicitly so you don't have to fake them
22:03.36arkanesthe difference almost certainly has to do with the underlying libc issues and probably atof
22:04.23MysticalOSi don't even use them, the only i'm affected by this change is a couple mods i use. mostly libtourist and ace serializer, and any mods calling functions within them. i'm sure both will be fixed by someone that's not me :)
22:05.12arkanesoh math.huge is already supposed to be infinity
22:05.24MysticalOSyes
22:05.30arkanesthe lua wiki suggests math.huge * 0 as a way of getting nan
22:05.40MysticalOShmm
22:06.02arkanesof course it also says that 1/0 == math.huge
22:06.03MysticalOSwell i get nan doing math.log(-1) on OS X, it just sucks that doesn't work in windows
22:06.05arkanesthe big liars
22:06.20arkanesMysticalOS: right, but maybe math.huge * 0 won't crash
22:06.38MysticalOShmm
22:06.42MysticalOSjust did a dump of math.huge * 0
22:06.45MysticalOSit did generate nan
22:07.13MysticalOSdoes that crash win?
22:07.25arkanesdunno, I use a mac
22:07.31MysticalOSgood man
22:08.14arkanesyou'd think though, even if they want to not permit division by zero, that client crashes and UI lockups shouldn't be acceptable failure cases
22:10.13Repo10weakauras: 03CommanderSirow * r183 / (2 files in 1 directory): * Fixed last-minute bug introduced into last rev.
22:10.14Repo* Addition to last commit:
22:10.15Repo* Fixed several TOC issues (re-added version-supstitution, added missing OptDeps)
22:10.54arkanestee hee supstitution
22:11.03arkanesI picture a wild card being all hey man, 'sup
22:11.24MysticalOS<PROTECTED>
22:11.34arkaneshah
22:11.43arkanesI knew it
22:12.33arkanesthat *should* work as a nan
22:13.15MysticalOSyeah,e xcept that's exactly what /dump math.log(-1) returns
22:13.19MysticalOSand that crashes the client
22:13.24arkaneshmph
22:13.25MysticalOSif you try to use it in a function
22:13.49arkanesthey really patched this in a crappy way
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22:38.53Mikk00:38:08 Dump: value=math.huge * 0
22:38.53Mikk00:38:08 [1]=-1.#IND
22:38.53Mikk00:38:16 Dump: value=1/0
22:38.53Mikk00:38:16 [1]=1.#INF
22:38.55Mikknot the same
22:39.11Mikkoops
22:39.16Mikk0/0 = -1.#IND
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22:44.02MysticalOSstrange though, if dumb value works then why does it crash client when used?
22:44.05MysticalOSdump*
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22:49.31GalvinIs there any truth that blizzard is using JIT for lua? when I searched it, the best I found was luajit which was a beta. I'm thinking if wow uses jit then we're in for more bugs in different mods.
22:50.30MysticalOSi dobut it, i thinkt hey just disabled /0
22:52.14MysticalOSthat was just original speculation when this cropped up since it's something that could easily happen accientally, but of it's on purose and no other issues spoted as you said, it's more likely they just flat out disabled /0 on purpose as bash has confirmed
22:56.16GalvinWhy were mods even using div by zero. Or was it just an lazy way of coding something?
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22:57.29MysticalOS<PROTECTED>
22:57.42Mikkpromise you it will kaboom still on 386
22:57.49MysticalOShmm
22:58.20Mikklike i posted in the ticket, Lua is now using NaN indicator bits internally
22:58.30Mikkwell some indicator bits anyway
22:58.34Mikkfuck knows exactly how it works
22:59.15MysticalOSeven still, the win client just out right crashing is dumb. i can generate nan 3 diff ways on 4.3 PTR with no errors or crashes. what on earth did they break
22:59.26MysticalOSshould at least safe error, not crash
23:01.24MysticalOS<PROTECTED>
23:01.25MysticalOSheh
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