IRC log for #wowace on 20110711

00:03.25Repo10ora3: 03Rabbit * r505 / (2 files in 2 directories):
00:03.26RepoAdd a print when repair permission is temporarily granted, and base the default withdrawal limit on the avg. ilvl.
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00:23.36Repo10gnomishatter: 03Rabbit * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory):
00:23.37RepoInitial commit of a shattering throw thingybob that won't get nearly enough features for you to be interested.
00:24.40vhaarrerr, wtf the .lua file there contains the same as the .toc file
00:26.04vhaarrwhat-the-hell
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00:31.37Repo10gnomishatter: 03Rabbit * r3 shatter.lua:
00:31.38Repowtf everything got lost, good thing it was a simple addon - drycoded
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01:36.41*** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://paste.wowace.com | http://twitter.com/WowAcecom | http://lua.org | Recent changes: http://kb.wowace.com/recent-changes/ | Curse Client v4: http://www.curse.com/client | WoWInterface Minion: http://minion.mmoui.com/ | 4.2 ToC is 40200
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02:46.02Repo10shared-media-blizzard: 03Seerah * r33 / (2 files in 1 directory): SharedMedia-Blizzard:
02:46.03Repo- added 8 new backgrounds
02:46.04Repo- added 2 new statusbars
02:46.05Repo- updated TOC number
02:47.30Repo10shared-media-blizzard: 03Seerah 041.6 * r34 : Tagging as 1.6
02:47.36Repo10gnomeworks: 03lilsparky * r148 Libs/LibTradeSkillScan.lua: drycode fix to tradeskill scanner
02:50.23Repo10lfg-call-arms-broker: 03eridius 07master * v0.9.3-4-g8541911 / (4 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits]
02:50.24Repo8541911: Add Role filter in preferences
02:50.25Repo2b2736d: Convert .toc file from CRLF to LF
02:50.26Repo3b8f563: Basic infrastructure for adding preferences
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03:36.55Repo10big-wigs: 03ananhaid * r8511 / (4 files in 2 directories): BigWigs:
03:37.10Repo- zhCN/zhTW update.
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04:22.16p3limWhy isnt the packager running on Molinari?
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04:49.38p3limany mods/admins awake?
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05:09.58Repo10xperl: 03mysticalos * r553 XPerl_RaidFrames/XPerl_Raid.lua:
05:09.59RepoComment out the part that still taints and only leave in the part that doesnt
05:15.51Repo10lfg-call-arms-broker: 03eridius 07master * v0.9.3-7-g6ba54d5 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits]
05:15.52Repo6ba54d5: Add option to play a sound when the CtA roles change
05:15.53Repoc0466f2: Give disabled roles a greyed-out look
05:15.54Repoa100477: Add embed for AceGUI-3.0
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05:52.16Repo10big-brother: 03oscarucb * r259 BigBrother.lua: add click item linking
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06:57.41vhaarraw man I'd like to smack this person in the face;
06:57.49vhaarrtalking about a ingame taint issue: "If this error message stops appearing when all addons are disabled, then it's an addon causing the problem."
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09:10.31Repo10big-wigs: 03a9012456 * r8512 Locales/common.zhTW.lua: zhTW update
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09:21.59Repo10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r8513 Firelands/Locales/frFR.lua: frFR Update
09:30.44Repo10ora3: 03a9012456 * r506 locales/zhTW.lua: zhTW update
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10:01.25Repo10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r8514 Firelands/Locales/deDE.lua: deDE update.
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10:05.17Repo10ora3: 037destiny * r507 locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update
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10:13.10Repo10little-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r968 GrimBatol/Umbriss.lua: Maybe fix Umbriss (for now), drycoded! Ticket #53.
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10:45.05Repo10ora3: 03Pettigrow * r508 locales/frFR.lua: frFR Update
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10:53.04Repo10big-wigs: 037destiny * r8515 Firelands/Locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update
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11:29.29Repo10ldb-vengeance: 03DerSchreiner 041.2.3-Releace * r39 : Tagging as 1.2.3-Releace
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11:42.16Repo10grim-reaper: 03ywfn * r96 GrimReaper.toc:
11:42.17RepoSeems to be working fine with 4.2 after my last commit (couple weeks of testing here)
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15:38.41Repo10firstlootever (experimental): 03stolenlegacy * r18 / (2 files in 1 directory):  (Message trimmed by 4 lines)
15:38.42RepoAdded achievements:
15:38.43Repo- Cataclysmic Collector
15:38.44Repo-- Obtain at least one new item while in each of the listed zones.
15:38.45Repo--- Mount Hyjal
15:40.24Repo10weakauras: 03CommanderSirow * r175 / (4 files in 1 directory): * Added role-load options (Ticket 184)
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16:55.36groktarhisses and spits at a varchar(10) default 0 not null column holding integers
17:04.55Repo10spell-reminder: 03oridan * r227 core.lua: SpellReminder:
17:04.56Repo- Possible fix for reported bug
17:14.19harlso.. how to solo Moragg, vh hc.. i can only get him down to like 40% with my bm hunter (341).. and then she just dies irremediably in the most literal sense, there seems to be no way to hide from the guy or avert the damage
17:14.49harland since i'm the only one attacking him (other than my pet), he always targets me with his stupid spells
17:16.04Repo10spell-reminder: 03oridan * r228 core.lua: SpellReminder:
17:16.05Repo- Use name as ident when translating custom groups into new format.
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17:42.07arkanesliterally irrmediably?
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18:19.36mmercerhey guys, anyone know of a currently maintained minimap mod, seems like chinchilla and sexymap are both abandoned now
18:19.54Stanzilladepends on which features you need
18:20.02mmercerrelocatable, square
18:20.24Antiarcsexymap works fine, it just doesn't need a lot of updates.
18:20.42mmercerkk
18:20.47Stanzillaminimapster :o
18:23.57mmercerminimapster hasnt been touched in about 18 months :p
18:25.01Stanzillatouched date does not matter
18:25.41mmerceris trying to avoid having to use the "load out of date addons" currently. will probably not be able to succeed :|
18:29.59Stanzillaopen the toc file, change the number, ???, profit
18:32.58Fiskerawww vhaarr you asked for my feathers
18:33.03Fiskerhey Stanzilla
18:34.28Stanzillahey Fisker
18:35.56mmercerAntiarc: what is the little golden dragon beneath sexymap?  dont recall ever seeing that
18:36.16AntiarcI don't know! I'm not sure I added it! :P
18:36.36Megalonall this heying nowadays
18:38.25Stanzillahey Megalon
18:40.23Fiskerhey Stanzilla
18:40.26Fiskerhey Megalon
18:40.28Fiskerhey Antiarc
18:53.21Megalontime to dance Fisker
18:53.29Fiskerwhy Megalon
18:53.42Fiskeri also lold today Megalon
18:53.45Megalonze dragons Fisker, ze dragons
18:54.17Fiskeri don't get it?
18:54.36Megalonthen you probably haven't preordered it!
18:54.44Megalonh3h3h3!
18:54.56FiskerLOL!
18:55.11Fiskershitty gaem right?
19:00.33Megalonyea
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19:08.00Repo10der-assist-helper: 03doktorstick * r5 / (2 files in 1 directory):
19:08.02RepoUpdated TOC interface version to Patch 4.2.0, "Rage of the Firelands".
19:09.29Fiskerwat gaem Megalon ?
19:17.08Repo10der-assist-helper: 03doktorstick 040.9.1a * r6 : Tagging as 0.9.1a
19:19.04Repo10der-assist-helper: 03doktorstick 040.9.1a * r7 : Removing tag.
19:19.44Repo10der-assist-helper: 03doktorstick 04v0.9.1a * r8 : Tagging as v0.9.1a
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19:27.23Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r8516 Firelands/Ragnaros.lua: Fix options.
19:29.55Repo10der-assist-helper: 03doktorstick * r9 Core.lua: Setting DAH to no target sets assist to 'focus'.
19:37.11Repo10der-assist-helper: 03doktorstick 04v0.9.1a * r10 : Re-tagging v0.9.1a.
19:37.27Repo10der-assist-helper: 03doktorstick 04v0.9.1a * r11 : Tagging as v0.9.1a
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19:40.34Megalonnot a game Fisker
19:40.35Megalona song
19:41.03Repo10der-assist-helper: 03doktorstick * r12 DerAssistHelper.toc: Bumped TOC minor version for 'focus' assisting.
19:41.25Fiskerrebecca black?
19:41.37Megalonno :(
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20:53.17Pupdoes anyone know how to check whether a buff on a friendly unit is castable by this player? seeing as UnitAura() appears to be broken?
20:54.38arkaneshow is UnitAura broken?
20:55.07Pupeasier to explain is i link http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1934584329
20:55.09Pupif*
20:55.16PupRAID filter doesnt work how it did pre 4.0
20:56.21Pupi've tried posting on wow forums, talking to a GM about it, but no joy in getting someone who knows anything about it
21:00.16Pupbasically, since i cant get confirmation from blizz whether its a bug or not, and less hope of getting it changed back, I'm wondering how you check for stuff like that post 4.0
21:00.31arkaneswell its easy enough to see if you can cast a buff
21:01.00arkanesbut for raid buffs I'd imagine you'd want to do something more specific anyway
21:01.26Pupi just want to check a buff on a player, and know whether i can cast it or not
21:01.37Pupthats what the RAID filter did in UnitAura
21:01.45Pupif you couldnt cast it, it returned nil
21:01.57arkanesright, and its trivial to do that, just check the spell id
21:02.05Pupagainst?
21:02.09arkanesbut that doesn't seem like a very useful thing to do
21:02.53Pupwell, im looking through the buffs on all players in my raid/party/pets, and am only interested in the ones i can cast in this particular instance
21:02.57arkanesso maybe there's a better way to do what you're actually trying to do
21:03.15arkanesare you looking at raid buff coverage?
21:03.38arkanesbecause again there you need to handle overlapping effects and it's best to write explicit checks for them
21:03.42Pupwhen you say 'check the spell id', against what? you suggesting to hardcode a list of spellids that each class can cast in my addon?
21:03.49arkanesno
21:03.58arkanesthat would be silly
21:04.01Pupidd
21:04.07Pupso what would i check againsy?
21:04.21arkanesthe spellbook
21:04.27arkanesbut what is it *for*
21:05.01Pupim displaying buffs on raid members, and im giving the option to the user to filter that list to only buffs they can cast
21:05.34arkanesokay, but whats the usefulness of that featre
21:05.46arkanesdoesn't it make more sense to handle it by buff coverage instead?
21:05.55Pupbuff coverage?
21:06.02arkaneskings and mark are the same buff
21:06.04Pupyes
21:06.10Pupi handle all that
21:06.26arkanesif you already handle all that, then there's no need for you to do any further filtering
21:06.34Pupumm no
21:06.39arkanesbecause you already know all the buffs you care about
21:06.47Puptheres many buffs that are not grouped with other ones
21:06.58arkanesthere's... 2?
21:07.06arkanesdark intent and focus magic?
21:07.08PupWell Fed
21:07.21Pupok bad example :D
21:07.21arkanesthats not a raid buff
21:08.00PupRetribution Aura
21:08.45arkanesyou really think people need to see who their ret aura is on?
21:08.53arkanesso they can recast it, I guess?
21:09.08Pupwell with auras, it would be more so you know to mnove into range
21:09.52Pupesentially, by default it shows all buffs on all players, food, elixirs, flasks, auras, raid buffs
21:10.06Pupand i used to have an option to filter that list to castable ones
21:10.21Pupi loop through each buff with UnitAura anyways as i go through
21:10.34Pupit used to work by applying the RAID filter if that option wa selected
21:10.55Pupso i only got info on the ones the user was interested in
21:10.59arkaneswell, doesn't seem very useful to me, and I'd wonder if anyone actually used it
21:11.07arkanesit made more sense back when raid buffs were different
21:11.13Pupyes, many people used it
21:11.17Pupand i used it all the time
21:11.18arkanesbut like I said, all you have to do is just check the spell against the spellbook
21:11.28Pupwell tbh, this mode goes back to wow classic
21:11.32Pupbut its evolved over time
21:11.32arkanesright
21:11.37arkanesit made plenty of sense in classic
21:11.39Pupand was rewrittedn for 2.0
21:11.52Pupand extensively rewritten again when the buff stuff changed in LK
21:11.53arkanesbut it has made less and less since since then, and doesn't make a whole lot now
21:12.11Pupit makes sense to be able to filter for buffs that you can cast
21:12.26arkanesI can't imagine why
21:12.42arkanesbut I did say how
21:12.46Pupbecause its a mod that allows you to click the icons to recast
21:13.16arkanesso confusing
21:13.22Pupwell, you suggest maintaining a list of spellids that are raid castable, rather than keep it generic and let blizz worry about that
21:13.25arkanesthat means you need to set up the secure buttons ahead of time
21:13.40arkaneswhich means you already know what buffs they can cast and therefore you care about anyway
21:13.49arkanesand no, I clearly suggested no such thing, because that would be silly
21:14.01arkanesyou check it against the spellbook with GetSpellInfo
21:14.02arkaneslike I said
21:14.56Pup<arkanes> because you already know all the buffs you care about
21:14.58Pupi meant that
21:15.00Pupbut anyways
21:15.12Pupill try GetSpellInfo and see if it does what i need
21:17.24Pupi guess it's not easy trying to understand what I;m asking without seeing it in practice
21:18.09arkanesnormally when you call UnitAura with a filter, it's because you're looping over buff indexes
21:18.15Pupyep
21:18.18arkanesand therefore you don't know what buffs you're going to get
21:18.21arkanesthere's no need to do that anymore
21:18.22Pupidd
21:18.31Puphow come?
21:18.38arkanesbecause you can just check a buff by name
21:18.46arkanesUnitAura("player", "Blessing of Might")
21:19.10Pupand if i dont know the names of the buffs on a player without iterating through them?
21:19.16arkanesso when you're working from a known list of buffs you care about, which you are here, you can just check each one directly without needing to scan the indexes
21:19.24arkanesyou know the ones you care about, they're the ones you set up buttons for
21:19.29Pupim not, remebember its an option
21:19.39Pupby default the mod liste every buff on a player
21:19.42Puplists*
21:20.11Pupits possible, and probable, that the player mare care about food buffs, or flasks
21:20.17Pupmay* care
21:20.55arkanesyou can't have that and your click-cast buttons, though
21:21.03Pupi can, and i do
21:21.12arkaneswhat are you binding the buttons to, then?
21:21.47PupSecureActionButtonTemplate
21:22.07arkanesright, and you have to create and position those ahead of time
21:22.13arkanesyou can't just do it as auras change
21:22.29Pupso i iterate through all the buffs on each player, display them depending on the players options, and then lock them in place
21:22.34Pupset up the secuire actions etc
21:22.41Pupso the user can recast in combat if needed
21:22.55arkanesso your list of buffs is fixed when they enter combat?
21:23.38Pupyes, but..  if say BoK drops off, and MoTW is cast on them, the icon relights up to show its active, and the texture stays as BoK until combat ends and it gets updated
21:24.50arkaneswhatever makes you happy, I guess
21:24.53Puphm.. :D
21:25.07arkanesI have a hard time figuring out how thats supposed to actually be useful as you've described it
21:25.16Pupit makes the people that use it happy too, apatr from now that UnitAura doesnt work how it used to
21:25.18arkaneswhy do I want a bar for, say, a rogues stealth thats always there
21:25.35Pupmaybe you dont, thats for the user to decide whats important or not
21:25.39Puppersonally,
21:25.47arkanesyour default mode seems useless though
21:26.01Pupbecause you dont see how it could be useful :D
21:26.07arkanesand you're going through contortions to make the useful parts work in terms of the useless parts
21:26.24arkaneswhy not just have a whitelist of buffs you care about, build the list off that, and allow the player to manage the whitelist
21:26.29arkanesand a useful set of defaults to start with
21:26.33Pupim just twanting UnitAura to work with the RAID filter .. :)
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21:27.00arkanesif you really wanted to you, you could even populate the whitelist when they join the raid or something and it'd work just like it does now
21:27.02Pupthe mod has always been setup so that i dont have to manually update a list of buffs every time blizz changes something
21:27.11Pupit works as blizz changes stuff
21:27.12arkanesyou do anyway
21:27.21arkanesbecause you have to handle raid buff overlap
21:27.50Pupi use it to monitor BoK and BoM on all the raid, and a whole plethora of buffs on myself (flask, food, other classes buffs)
21:28.13Pupbut i know other users use it for many other things
21:28.50Pupthe only thing i have to hardcode with regard to buffs, is which ones overlap
21:29.02Pupie bok/motw
21:29.15arkaneswell, there's not simple overlapping either
21:29.22arkanesit actually gets kinda complicated :(
21:29.24Pupwell, it currently works fine
21:29.29Pupand yes, it was kinda complicated :)
21:29.51Pupthe mod works fine atm, apart from an option to filter the lists to just castable buffs
21:29.55arkanesthe thing is that you have 2 different features (more, really) and they don't make sense together
21:30.04arkanesbut for some reason you're trying to implement them in terms of each other
21:30.08arkanesand that doesn't make sense to me
21:30.10Pupit doesnt make sense to you
21:30.30arkanesdo you really create a secure action button for ever buff on every raid member?
21:31.28Pupi create a button for each one the user wants to show
21:31.40arkanes... right
21:31.45Puptbh
21:31.45arkaneswhich you create off a whitelist
21:31.49Pupno
21:32.00arkanesthen how do you know what the user wants to show
21:33.02Puptbh, i only wanted to find out how to reimplement checking for castable buffs, i think GetSpellInfo may work, so cheers for that
21:33.22Pupif you want to see how the mod works and my crappy ancient coding for you to mock, then you can freely download it :D
21:33.31Pupits called buffwatch++
21:33.49Pupmaybe then you might understand what it attempts to do :p
21:34.09arkanesyou've talked about a bunch of features and they mostly make sense
21:34.22arkanesthe problem is that they don't make sense when combined the way you've described
21:34.46Puptbh, the mod has been there since 2005, and people that use it seem to find it very useful, and thats mostly what i care about :)
21:34.50arkanesbinding an action  button for every buff on every raid member just in case they have it set up to only show the ones they can cast isn't a very efficient way to do things
21:34.59Pupperhaps not
21:35.09Pupbut tbh, my time is very limited
21:35.13arkanesand I'm sure that nobody uses that feature, because it wouldn't work
21:35.16Pupi havent really worked on this for probably over 6 months
21:35.20Puplol
21:35.25Pupit does work
21:35.32arkanesyou're mistaking my meaning
21:35.41arkanesnobody uses your click cast feature for stealth, and well fed
21:35.47Pupthe mod does everything i want it to, apart from checking whether the buff is castable by this player atm
21:35.53Pupno indeed
21:36.01Pupso it may be better to nt use a secure button for those
21:36.10Puphowever
21:36.18arkanesimplement that kind of thing through a different code path
21:36.20Pupthat just leads me back to n ot knowing which ones are castable ;)
21:36.48arkanesultimately someone, the user or you, has to tell it
21:37.07Pupthe whole secure thing, before 2.0 i dodnt have to worry about it... it was just buttons that rand some code to cast the spell
21:37.18Pupwhen 2.0, it was a simple case of replacing it with a secure button
21:37.24arkanesI'm sure that nobody is just sitting there with a 40 item buff list on everyone and then hunt and pecking the ones that are reaid buffs
21:37.44arkanesso anyone whos actually using that feature is almost certainly driving it off a whitelist anyway
21:38.02Pupthe user gets the list of buffs, depending on the options (eg the broken RAID filter amongst others)
21:38.18Pupand then decides of the ones that are left, if theres any he wants to remove
21:38.23Pupand the user does so manually
21:38.35Pupthe idea eventually is to allow the user to setup a list of templates
21:38.51Pupto make that process quicker, but generally, once you have locked down what you want. you tend to leave it
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21:55.00harlhuh?
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