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00:11.27Axodioushow do iget grid center icon to show stacks
00:11.30Axodiousor does it by defualt
00:12.41Repo10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r317 BasicCore.lua:
00:12.42RepoBasicCore: set a sensible minimum for chat frame resize, revert re-motd back to only displaying in chatframe1.
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00:32.32Repo10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r8309 Blackwing (8 files in 2 directories): Blackwing/Nefarian: trim down the trigger for p3
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01:06.49pompyhmm bnet down and login servers down
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01:33.54Repo10rollmaster: 03cpw11 07master * v0.1-1-g6df4621 RollMaster.toc: [+1 commit] Update TOC
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01:38.00Repo10ouf_freebgrid: 03Freebaser 04[29 tags] *  /: mass update
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02:00.02arkanesanyone know what event I could look for it if I wanted to know when a raid swapped between regular and heroic?
02:02.59GagorianPLAYER_DIFFICULTY_CHANGED ?
02:03.51arkanesthat looks promising
02:05.50mckenziemc1i just became hard, Gagorian
02:06.01Megalondoes that event fire when someones relationship status changes?
02:09.23Megalonhttp://live.lmgtfy.com/
02:21.21Torhalmckenziemc1: So do you do anything other than emulate airtonix and Fisker, and occasionally accost them?
02:21.53WobinTorhal: not as far as I have noticed
02:22.03TorhalWobin: Mmkay.
02:29.47mckenziemc1Torhal: how do you know they aren't just a prescient emulation of my own behavior?
02:33.19Megalonthe stupid are best at emulating the stupid
02:33.26Megalonyou got deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerped
02:33.34quiescenso.o
02:34.06Megalonquiescens, this is inderption, a derp within a derp
02:34.17Megalonbut we need to go derper
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02:37.56mckenziemc1that assumes it's pure emulation
02:41.47Torhalupends a jar of ants on mckenziemc1.
02:42.36quiescensthat's not very nice o.o
02:43.12mckenziemc1but no Torhal, i used to troll guild chat and trade, before even joining irc :p
02:43.12Torhalquiescens: And him branding you is?
02:44.38quiescensno, not particularly
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03:21.27Repo10average-combat-mana (experimental): 03myrroddin * r13 / (2 files in 1 directory): - alter some feedback texts to be current
03:21.28Repo- get current Mana value every second rather than every two; averages over last 10 values instead of last 5
03:21.29Repo- fix number values for chat output and Mana gains; no more nil results or abnormally low Mana gain values
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03:46.35Repo10average-combat-mana (experimental): 03myrroddin * r14 AverageCombatMana.toc: - fix no lib strip lines in toc
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04:02.51airtonixTorhal: i love you
04:03.10Torhalairtonix: I'm sorry, Dave. I can't let you do that.
04:03.28airtonixit's ok, i have already done so while you were blue screened
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07:02.09hasteAdirelle: why do you need to use math.{min,max} on altpower?
07:02.33hasteAdirelle: and why HCY?
07:03.13Adirellehaste, it seems the altpower was sometimes out of bounds, and as I have onvaluechanged to display the value on my statusbar, it sometimes showed -115 when min and max where like 0 and 300...
07:03.19hasteAdirelle: and having the factory call immediately when already logged will defeat its purpose
07:03.39hastethat isn't really an issue tho'
07:03.49hasteat least not for the element, possibly more for tags
07:04.34Adirellefor HCY, it gives better result than RGB in some cases, e.g. when going from 1,0,0 to 0,0,1, you sometimes have 0.5,0,0.5, which is less bright that expected (and pretty ugly), with HCY, you keep a pretty constant luminosity
07:04.53Adirelle(that could be HSV or HSL, the point is that RGB is pretty bad in some case)
07:05.11Adirelleanyway, that's really optional
07:06.04hasteI was guessing it was something like that
07:06.12Adirelleand for the factory, the point is that PLAYER_LOGIN only happens once, so if your addon is using the Factory but is postponed (like arena or group frames), the factory function won't ever be called
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07:06.16hasteif it gives a better result I don't mind cherry-picking it into 1.6
07:06.40hastedamn Lo
07:06.45hastedamn LoD people :P
07:08.30Adirelleright, I'm trying LoD again (I had issues in some cases but I think using AddonLoader wasn't the good solution)
07:09.11Adirelleby the way, I think :DisableBlizzard doesn't handle arena frames
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07:24.17quiescenso.o
07:24.42mckenziemc^.^
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07:41.37mitch0adirelle: Dimret no worksy in arena (with SUF)
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08:04.48hasteAdirelle: that's intentional, you can easily disable them yourself really
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08:21.01Elkano~moo
08:21.01purlACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
08:23.32mckenziemcO.o
08:32.51Blu|Laundry~moo
08:32.51purlACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
08:36.26mckenziemc~botsnack Blu|Laundry
08:36.26purlmckenziemc: :)
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12:20.43Repo10smooth-durability: 03Ammo * r77 / (3 files in 2 directories): indicate you're guild repairing
12:22.58Repo10achscreenshotter2 (experimental): 03bognari3 * r6 / (2 files in 1 directory):
12:22.59Repoein paar Anpassungen am Scope und das "Speicherproblem" existiert da es Ace3 verwendet und ganz am Anfang steht. Somit legt jedes Addon das Ace3 verwednet seinen Speicher zu uns.
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13:39.54Ackishello Parnic
13:40.00Parnichello ackis
13:40.18Ackishow are you on this second day of spring?
13:40.37Parnictired. my 4-week-old likes to cry all night
13:40.55AckisI didn't know you had a baby!!!!
13:41.06Ackisbelated congrats :)
13:41.07Parnicthat's because i didn't tell you
13:41.09Parnicthanks
13:42.09arkaneshooray babies
13:42.49Ackisboy/girl?
13:42.53Parnicgirl
13:43.32sbuboobies?
13:43.41sbuoh, babies, nevermind
13:43.46Ackis~lart sbu
13:43.46purlputs on some milking gloves. "All right, now, sbu, this won't hurt a bit...."
13:44.02Ackisthat lart was pretty ironic
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13:44.48sbuso now fisker knows about your baby Parnic... :|
13:44.55Parnicyep
13:45.06arkanesfisker is not a problem
13:45.18arkanesjust throw copies of duke nukem at him and he will be distracted
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13:51.35Fiskeraroof?
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14:43.14alcarasanyone know the rage generation formula? wowwiki has something, but i imagine it's horribly out of date
14:44.46kadrahile=mc^2
14:45.18kadrahilwhere e is rage, m is muscle size and c is coolness factor
14:45.42kadrahilnow where's my ff4 ubuntu package
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15:38.17Repo10macro-bank: 03Odlaw * r59 MacroBank.lua:
15:38.18RepoPrevent macros from being saved or loaded with empty names or categories.
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15:46.55groktarheh, the new alert/confirm box in firefox 4 confused me
15:47.15groktari thought one of our developers had made a really fugly popup
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15:49.25Fiskerwhat box?
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16:13.40winkinteresting
16:14.05winkapparently my windows crashed while suspending yesterday and now the curse client didnt work anymore and the .NET reinstall says:
16:14.09winkComponent .NET Framework Client Profile has failed to install with the following error message: "The extended attributes are inconsistent.
16:14.19winkanyone ever seen that?
16:15.35quiescensfun
16:25.22arkanes_chkdisk should correct that
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17:16.31Repo10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r318 / (5 files in 1 directory): split out some things from the core into modules
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17:38.47RepoKnowledge base page update: http://kb.wowace.com/recent-changes/ by prencher
17:39.21nevcairielspeaking of the store, someone poke the guys fullfilling paypal orders
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17:43.19sylvanaar_workalmost rent time?
17:43.58nevcairielnah, i
17:44.14Funkeh`been waiting on one over a month
17:44.18nevcairieli'm fine, but i have like 2k sitting in the order queue
17:44.20Funkeh`had to deprive my student life further
17:44.43nevcairielhavent gotten any since january
17:45.07Funkeh`that's even longer, mine was feb. they're slacking harder than i am
17:45.39nevcairielmy oldest order is from feb 5th, i've been told the last payment was just before that
17:45.55nevcairielbut i was short a few points =p
17:46.23sylvanaar_workmaybe they skipped this month - it is tax season
17:46.50Funkeh`i'd rather have it it before april so i can stash some in savings, but it looks grim
17:46.55nevcairielthey advertise delivery within two month, so still around 2 weeks to go
17:47.10nevcairieland delivery was usually always in the first week of the new month
17:47.12quiescenso.o
17:47.50nevcairieli actually want to use it to buy a new couch
17:47.59nevcairielnothing pressing, just would be nice :p
17:48.28Funkeh`haha, i wish that was the top of my worries
17:48.40Funkeh`can't wait till it is
17:48.51nevcairieli finished my student life last year
17:49.01nevcairielworking (and earning money) has been great
17:49.10Funkeh`can't wait :p
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18:05.27Xinhuanhur hur nev
18:05.39Xinhuani ordered a payment on Jan 27 and got it within 6 days
18:07.15nevcairielyeah that was the last payment that i missed by 2 days or so
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18:21.57Pneumatusany other 25-man raiding guilds having serious player retention issues atm?
18:22.07Nivyep
18:22.26Pneumatuspeople leaving for real life shit, or other?
18:22.41Nivpeople just tired of raiding
18:22.44Nivmyself included ;)
18:23.13Pneumatusi'm tired of raiding as well, but only because of the group our raid pool has become
18:23.21Pneumatusits not enough for me to leave yet though
18:24.52NivI've been burned out since wrath
18:24.59Nivand just have other things I'd rather spend my time on
18:25.41Pneumatusi wonder if 10man guilds are suffering from the same raid fatigue
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18:26.18NivI'm not sure how wide spread it is
18:26.21Nivor uncommon ;)
18:26.53Pneumatusim not entirely convinced the real reason we're suffering losses is raid fatigure though
18:27.02Pneumatusit's just being used as an excuse
18:29.12Caleb|same here Pneumatus, just cancelled raid :S
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18:29.26Pneumatusour pool is down to 25 players now
18:29.54Pneumatuswhich means we'll be under 25 for every raid if they even go ahead
18:30.19PneumatusCaleb|: i can understand burnout in your guild though :P
18:30.45Caleb|how so? we've been raiding 1 or 2 days tops for over a month now or something
18:30.51Pneumatushmm
18:30.54Pneumatuswell, idk then
18:30.57Caleb|we raid like 5 hours a day tops
18:30.58Caleb|:D
18:31.24Pneumatussee, id be happy with that, it's just the rush at new launches that would cripple me :P
18:31.42Pneumatuswe're 6/13, 4 nights a week, 4 hours a night
18:31.53Pneumatus(heroic)
18:32.30Pneumatusi think out of all the applicants we've trialled recently about 80% have failed trial because they were shit
18:32.44AckisCaleb|: transfer to US servers, roll on my server and carry me pls
18:32.55Ackis(emphasis on the pls)
18:33.24Caleb|:P
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19:22.16Funkeh`pro tip if you're reading blizz: remove calendar invites when the inviter deletes their character
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19:28.18Xinhuanwhat happens Funkeh`?
19:28.57Funkeh`gold spammers mass invite individual people apparently as far in as 3 years according to some people
19:29.08Funkeh`then just log off and delete
19:29.10ckknightinteresting.
19:29.20Xinhuani never got hit by that before
19:29.22Xinhuanover 3 years
19:29.25Funkeh`me neither
19:29.32Funkeh`people are giving me reports of it
19:29.35Pneumatusive heard of it happening to people as well, never had it myself though
19:29.40KethoI got it :)
19:29.42Funkeh`but the calendar APi isn't the easiest to nagivate
19:29.47Funkeh`and i got nothing to test it against
19:29.56ckknighthey Funkeh`, guess what I'm working on
19:30.03koaschten_happened five times to me last week
19:30.03Funkeh`curse.com!
19:30.07ckknightFunkeh`: correct
19:30.10Funkeh`<3
19:30.12koaschten_i blame my chars name starting with D
19:30.29Ketholol mine was starting with an X
19:30.54Funkeh`well do you know, if you report one, do they all go?
19:31.01Funkeh`or do you need to individually report each one
19:33.09Stanzillackknight: the new curse.com or just fixes?
19:33.36Kethojust reported spam a calendar invite, with the spammer already deleted, and it didn't remove all of the invites for me
19:33.45Pneumatusnew curse.com from the ground up?
19:34.02Funkeh`did it actually delete the entire event when you reported?
19:34.30Funkeh`and did you get any form of notification, like a popup, or a chat message, that it was reported?
19:34.33Kethoit did delete the event as soon as you click the "report spam" button
19:34.42Ketho+ the popup
19:37.04Funkeh`as far as i can see all it does is call CalendarContextEventComplain(), nothing about a popup dialog, nothing specifying which event (i can only guess that passing nothing meants currently selected event)
19:37.19Funkeh`chat reporting was a heck of a lot easier to figure out
19:37.49Funkeh`Ketho, did it mention reporting or just deleting a calendar event?
19:38.37ckknightStanzilla, Pneumatus: yes, new curse
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19:40.00KethoFunkeh`: maybe a screenshot tells more: http://i.imgur.com/lQvcV.jpg  as soon as u click the "report spam" button, the event gets deleted, and you get a confirmation popup
19:40.43Funkeh`yeah and if i loop every event reporting it, on say, login, I wonder if it will spam the user with that
19:41.43Funkeh`but again, "invited by unknown" >.>
19:42.20quiescenso.o
19:42.50sbueh
19:43.03sbuyou can get 10k for 8 eur, why would you delete that event? :(
19:49.18quiescensmails sbu 2 copper
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20:14.27Funkeh`http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/2524375.mspx
20:14.31Funkeh`it's on windows update
20:14.40quiescensoh noes
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20:18.05Pneumatusrevoke comodo's root cert, problem solved!
20:20.05Funkeh`indeed
20:20.52arkanesyou could go take them out of your roots right now
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20:26.14nevcairielIf you have any smart browser, there is no need
20:26.24nevcairielunless you expect them to fail again :p
20:26.59quiescensremoving a root could probably possibly cause other problems anyway
20:27.57quiescensthere are presumably updates for all the main browsers already anyway
20:28.30arkanes<PROTECTED>
20:29.44quiescenstechnically, if your browser finds itself unable to check the lists, by default it will just keep working etc and moo
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20:39.34arkanesdo any of you have a link to that page that describes the authenticator protocol?
20:40.58sylvanaar_worklink is dead now
20:41.19sylvanaar_workyou can go here though, its close: http://code.google.com/p/winauth/
20:44.24arkanesthanks
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21:02.16Pneumatusstuff looks weird in ff4 :<
21:02.47nevcairieli kinda like it
21:02.57nevcairieldidnt find anything that looks broken yet
21:03.04Pneumatusnot broken, just different
21:03.32Pneumatustabmixplus looks weird with multiple rows of tabs though
21:03.35Pneumatusdue to the new window layout
21:04.04Stanzillaanyone switched from chrome to fx4?
21:04.14nevcairielnot me
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21:05.15Stanzillaall the cool stuff that was planned for 4.0 is not in anyway
21:05.26Stanzillathem is`only half done etc
21:05.29Stanzilla*theme
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21:06.50Stanzilla"Firefox 5 will mostly be what Firefox 4 was planned to be - fixing all the regressions and improving newly added functionality."
21:06.58Stanzillasounds like windows vista/7 all over again :p
21:07.17Pneumatussome text isn't very clear to read in ff4 for me
21:07.21Pneumatuslike, facebook
21:08.36nevcairielexcept that ff5 is supposed to be out "soon"
21:09.49Gagorianthey're supposed to have a release cycle of 16 weeks now
21:11.24Stanzillasupposed to, yes :p
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21:29.14Stanzillaam I the only one that thinks the new chrome logo is really bad?
21:30.09nevcairieli thought so at first, but it grew on me
21:30.40Pneumatusthey got rid of the donut thing?
21:30.44sbui like it
21:30.50Pneumatusor just restyled it?
21:30.57sburestyle, flatten
21:31.01sbuno more 3d
21:32.03Stanzillathe white ring looks just so wrong
21:32.09Stanzillaespecially on the win7 taskbar
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21:42.36sylvanaar_workyeah, i have text issues with ff4 too, overlapping
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21:59.50Pneumatusomg
21:59.59PneumatusElement Hiding Helper for Adblock Plus
22:00.04Pneumatuswhy did i not know about this before
22:01.05Pneumatusgoodbye curse bar on mmoc
22:04.26Funkeh`curse bar?
22:04.44Pneumatusthe top band on mmoc linking to other sites
22:05.36Funkeh`are you on 800x600 for that tiny thing to be noticable? :p
22:06.00Pneumatusat a guess, my browser is probably about 1024 wide
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22:15.25Pneumatusanyone else got ff4, is howtoforge.com horribly broken for you?
22:16.12sylvanaarthe page loads
22:16.23sylvanaardunno what horribly broken means
22:16.37Pneumatusright menu shunted like 3/4 the way down the page
22:16.40Pneumatuser, left menu even
22:16.47sylvanaarno
22:17.21sylvanaarim on windows
22:17.21Pneumatusfair enough, cheers
22:17.47Pneumatushttp://www.howtoforge.com/forums/ showing the nav menu normally also?
22:18.04sylvanaarno
22:18.13sylvanaarits way down the page
22:18.18Pneumatusaha
22:18.38Pneumatusoh
22:18.39sylvanaaron chrome also
22:18.45Pneumatusthere's supposed to be a skyscraper ad
22:18.50sylvanaarlol
22:18.53Pneumatusthat would expain it :)
22:18.55sylvanaaradblock ftw
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22:21.33Pneumatuselement hiding helper is awesome for getting rid of those whitespace gaps that adblock leaves behind :>
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22:51.45moopCan anyone think of a good way to determine which players in a raid are tanks without checking their talents?
22:52.11nevcairielhave them pick a role
22:52.32moopcurrently, I'm checking max health, but it's not a great way to do it since some players have very similar health to the tanks
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22:52.46moopwell, I say very similar, +/- 15-20k
22:53.10mooppicking a role is one way, but most serious guilds don't have their raiders pick roles before they start ^^
22:53.33nevcairielset them as main tanks, then
22:53.36Pneumatuscheck if they are assigned as a blizz MT, or an ora2 MT
22:53.44moopI'm writing an addon which announces raid cooldowns, but certain spells should only be announced by tanks
22:53.50moophmm, that's a good idea
22:54.08moopannounced for tanks*
22:55.21moopI was using these two functions: http://pastebin.com/x3dbZqrK
22:55.54moopbut they don't really work if, for example, a tank uses Last Stand and increases their max HP by whatever the percentage is :p
22:57.26moopblizzard MT works for tanks, but how about healers?
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23:02.09Caleb|[23:53] <moop> picking a role is one way, but most serious guilds don't have their raiders pick roles before they start ^^
23:02.12Caleb|sure they do :P
23:04.12moopmaybe I can convince my guild to do so :P
23:10.50moophow do role checks work if a person respecs? are they prompted automatically to select their new spec?
23:11.01moopor does the raid leader have to initiate a new role check
23:14.39StanzillaCaleb|: your guild isn't serious!
23:15.00Caleb|wasnt refering to us ololol :D
23:25.18moopwell, thanks for the advice guys, will check out those options :> see you next time!
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23:38.08Funkeh`calendar api is giving me a headache
23:38.18Funkeh`seems you can get the total amount of pending invites
23:38.35Funkeh`but there's no way to loop that, nearly all api calls require month/day
23:39.29kadroidJust move the headache forward a few days on your calendar
23:39.37kadroidYou'll be fine
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23:43.47Funkeh`CalendarContextSelectEvent requires you to specify day/month, CalendarContextGetEventIndex to get the day/month requires you to select an event. nice vicious loop there
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