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00:53.30 | Groktar | http://i.imgur.com/QJOrK.jpg |
00:53.34 | Groktar | screw you midwest |
00:55.05 | Primer | interesting |
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02:00.11 | pakoz | whats the seed that determines loot? my guild is convinced its based on XYZ and I wish to put an end to their guessing |
02:00.36 | pakoz | I'm assuming its not manipulative, not trying to exploit but its causing annoyances |
02:01.13 | vhaarr | I'd imagine they're using the regular java securerandom |
02:03.06 | pakoz | the majority believe it to be based on the raid leader at the time of the first boss kill and I'm hoping for a means of murdering their nonsense |
02:03.46 | vhaarr | well, if any of them are running linux, like blizz probably are on their servers |
02:03.56 | vhaarr | tell them to change raid leader and cat /dev/urandom |
02:04.01 | vhaarr | and see if they can spot a pattern |
02:05.37 | pakoz | brb, thanks vhaar |
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02:12.04 | vhaarr | thing is, we don't really know when they seed their generator, do we |
02:12.26 | vhaarr | it could be when the servers restart, for example, and it's just one long list of random numbers until the next restart |
02:12.39 | SunTsu | at least he was satisfied |
02:13.00 | vhaarr | which would, in a sense, make it less predictable because the ingame world would influence it |
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02:25.43 | orionshock | nevcairiel, is there an option in BT4 to rotate though the action bars via key/mouse bind? |
02:25.56 | orionshock | IE the default UI's shift+mousewheel ? |
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02:36.37 | Gnarfoz | SunTsu: I wonder why, though. checking his own /dev/urandom makes incredibly little sense for a server-based prng? ^^ |
02:37.13 | Gnarfoz | the only ones who will ever know is those who've looked at the code. >:D |
02:40.34 | Megalon | Gnarfoz, you know what time it is |
02:40.47 | Gnarfoz | prng time |
02:40.54 | Megalon | IT'S Regular Ordinary Swedish Meal Time |
02:41.00 | Megalon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L40f39bPII |
02:41.23 | Gnarfoz | I like the ninja-accordion-mortal-kombat-theme-poka |
02:41.27 | Gnarfoz | *polka damnit |
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02:42.41 | Megalon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PoNP8CaFAg that one |
02:43.11 | Gnarfoz | of course |
02:43.32 | Megalon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S67bzceyA0 |
02:43.37 | Megalon | also quite wtf :o |
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09:03.06 | RaydenUni | is lifebloom supposed to be healing as much as rejuv? |
09:03.50 | selckin | probably |
09:05.00 | RaydenUni | seems odd as it costs way less |
09:05.22 | RaydenUni | it's about the same |
09:08.03 | selckin | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2vc4p01pmmcpihs7/details/6/?s=11318&e=11555 |
09:08.09 | selckin | love the bloom |
09:09.39 | mitch0 | rayden: it's shorter though |
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09:13.52 | RaydenUni | ? |
09:14.01 | RaydenUni | shorter is better |
09:14.05 | selckin | can't keep it up on as many targets |
09:14.17 | RaydenUni | it's more hps |
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09:16.20 | selckin | you can do like 10k hps indefintly and oom in a min on20k hps |
09:17.07 | selckin | but hps is a very bad way to judge healing |
09:17.59 | RaydenUni | higher hpm and hps |
09:18.36 | selckin | if all your healers focus on maxing hps, your tanks will just die |
09:20.57 | selckin | it's not like you can exclude a spell from the rotation |
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09:25.19 | RaydenUni | yeah |
09:25.27 | RaydenUni | i just assumed the more expensive hot would be more efficient |
09:25.52 | RaydenUni | like, i have 1 hot to cast on myself to heal, which do i pick? |
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09:27.04 | selckin | 1gcd or 3 gcd? |
09:28.20 | selckin | which one will cause you not to drop lifebloom of the tanks |
09:28.30 | Kalroth | Good healing = noone dying from lack of healing. Bad healing = people dying from lack of healing. There is no such thing as overhealing. |
09:28.40 | Kalroth | Unless you run out of mana, of course. :) |
09:29.19 | selckin | and reactive healing is the worst |
09:29.28 | selckin | (except on the raid) |
09:29.37 | Kalroth | definitely |
09:30.06 | Kalroth | If you got the mana to spam huge heals on the tank, then do so, even if he is at 100% |
09:33.22 | RaydenUni | 1gcd of lifeblood selckin |
09:33.32 | RaydenUni | 1 lifebloom costs less, heals more, and does it in less time than rejuv |
09:33.35 | RaydenUni | or it's about the same heal |
09:33.39 | RaydenUni | depends on crits |
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09:34.41 | mitch0 | also, rejuv heals up-front a bit, too |
09:35.05 | RaydenUni | no it doesn't |
09:35.11 | mitch0 | does with talent |
09:35.36 | RaydenUni | ah |
09:35.40 | RaydenUni | i'm not resto i'm feral |
09:35.45 | pakoz | anyone know how to get ipconfig information from a retired OS drive? I have it hooked up externally but I can't recall the ip settings |
09:35.59 | selckin | the worst thing you can do it tell healers how to heal if you've never done it |
09:36.01 | RaydenUni | so it's really the difference between lifebloom healing for 7400 and rejuv for 7900 |
09:36.07 | RaydenUni | i'm not telling anyone how to do anything |
09:36.14 | RaydenUni | never have i suggested "use lifebloom and don't use rejuv" |
09:36.29 | RaydenUni | i'm just saying it seems weird to me that one is superior to the other in almost every way |
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09:37.19 | RaydenUni | just means i own't be using rejuv much in arenas i guess |
09:37.38 | selckin | you'll probably be using both or die |
09:37.42 | pakoz | wouldnt you use both? |
09:37.52 | RaydenUni | in 1 gcd i can cast lifebloom or rejuv |
09:38.01 | RaydenUni | in 2 gcd i can cast 2 bloom or 1 bloom and 1 rejuv |
09:38.05 | RaydenUni | in 3 i can do 3 bloom |
09:38.07 | RaydenUni | get the point? |
09:38.21 | RaydenUni | why not use the one that costs less than 50%, heals faster, and heals nearly as much |
09:38.29 | RaydenUni | in the case where i have 4gcd, then i'll use rejuv |
09:38.38 | selckin | yes offcourse, but that doesn't make the other one les susefull |
09:38.46 | RaydenUni | how does it not make it less useful? |
09:38.49 | selckin | or bad in some way |
09:38.54 | RaydenUni | in a time critical situation, it is less useful |
09:39.44 | RaydenUni | yes, if you are healing a tank or the raid, more HOTs are better |
09:39.51 | RaydenUni | you're going to keep a 3xbloom and rejuv and regrowth on your target |
09:39.53 | RaydenUni | of course |
09:40.09 | mitch0 | not so sure about regrowth. it's way to expensive |
09:40.18 | RaydenUni | i just always assumed that since rejuv lasts longer and costs more, it would heal for more |
09:40.43 | RaydenUni | oh lifebloom can only be one 1 target at a time |
09:40.46 | RaydenUni | there's a downside |
09:40.53 | selckin | 2 |
09:41.04 | selckin | and you can renew rejuv with like nurish or something |
09:41.05 | RaydenUni | i assume that's a talent/glyph? |
09:41.20 | mitch0 | talent |
09:41.56 | RaydenUni | it also seems that more talents improve rejuv heals |
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09:43.11 | selckin | you can keep 2 targets fully hotted if i'm not mistaken |
09:43.21 | selckin | if you're not resto specced, none of the heals are worth using |
09:43.26 | mitch0 | LB is single target, unless in tree form |
09:44.09 | RaydenUni | i don't see the bloom talent, must have missed it |
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09:44.25 | RaydenUni | i use tranquility sometimes when i'm tanking |
09:44.33 | RaydenUni | or if i just brezzed someone |
09:44.48 | RaydenUni | and when healing touch is free i use it in pvp |
09:44.55 | RaydenUni | free and instant |
09:45.30 | selckin | tranq when tanking |
09:45.32 | selckin | what |
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09:45.55 | RaydenUni | like say in BH when im not the target |
09:46.25 | Kalroth | I'm sure the raid appriciates you staying in bearform :p |
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09:46.47 | selckin | there are maybe 2 fights where you could do that |
09:47.02 | selckin | but it still heals for shit all |
09:47.18 | RaydenUni | i don't do it a lot |
09:47.24 | RaydenUni | but it's nice when i can |
09:47.37 | selckin | just means you can't dispell |
09:47.43 | RaydenUni | dispel? |
09:47.48 | mitch0 | if any Omen author cares: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38693 |
09:47.55 | RaydenUni | i do'nt stay in bear form even when i don't heal |
09:48.00 | RaydenUni | i switch to cat and get a 5 pt rip up |
09:48.06 | selckin | if ppl die on bh it's because ppl didn't dispell |
09:48.17 | selckin | else it's impossible to die unless you're all afk |
09:48.27 | RaydenUni | yes |
09:48.37 | RaydenUni | and lately all of the healers i get can't find their dispel button |
09:49.07 | RaydenUni | like literally, "i have a talent that lets me dispel?" |
09:49.18 | RaydenUni | or "yeah, i don't have that talent. so what?" |
09:49.29 | RaydenUni | or "my mod for clicking dispel doesn't seem to work..." |
09:49.31 | RaydenUni | ugh |
09:49.31 | selckin | "remove player" click |
09:49.42 | RaydenUni | yeah but it always takes 10 minutes to find 2 healers |
09:49.51 | selckin | like feral druids not taking interrupt |
09:50.04 | RaydenUni | hurts my dps man |
09:50.18 | selckin | let me calc your dps when you're dead |
09:50.24 | selckin | hmm that's a hard one |
09:51.26 | RaydenUni | hmm, i'm not sure how useful master shapeshifter is for arena |
09:51.36 | RaydenUni | crit by 4% |
09:51.47 | RaydenUni | i guess bear form dmg by 4% is good |
09:52.07 | RaydenUni | i suppose 4% crit chance is good for combo point gaining |
09:52.32 | RaydenUni | are there training dummies that aren't super crowded like the ones in org? |
09:54.25 | selckin | uh |
09:54.33 | selckin | had obvious awnser |
09:54.37 | RaydenUni | crowded as in no space around you |
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09:56.07 | selckin | as is aoe doesn't hit other dummies? |
09:57.25 | pakoz | is it possible to browse the registry of a cloned drive (image) ? |
09:57.45 | RaydenUni | no, so my camera doesn't have to be zoomed in super far |
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09:59.31 | selckin | if you can't see the logic interpertation of your question is other players and the followup doesn't make sense in that context |
10:00.41 | RaydenUni | i want a training dummy that is not located in a confined space like the level 85 one in orgrimmar is |
10:00.44 | RaydenUni | is there such a thing? |
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10:01.38 | pakoz | i think the thunderbluff one is pretty isolated, what aoe are you trying to isolate? |
10:02.11 | RaydenUni | i'm not doing aoe |
10:03.47 | selckin | you where serious about the camera thing? that sounded like troll awnser :) |
10:03.55 | RaydenUni | i was serious |
10:04.09 | RaydenUni | the lvl 85 dummy is back behind the raid boss ones beind a huge pillar |
10:04.11 | RaydenUni | i find it annoying |
10:06.01 | Jerub | RaydenUni: does that count for all sets of dummmies in org? |
10:06.14 | RaydenUni | the level 80 ones on the roof aren't as bad |
10:06.23 | Jerub | RaydenUni: the ones in the building near the stables and on the wlals? |
10:06.28 | Jerub | i don't know which ones are raid boss ones |
10:06.39 | RaydenUni | east of the stables |
10:06.46 | RaydenUni | in that big fortress looking building |
10:06.53 | RaydenUni | the raid boss one are on the first floor inside |
10:07.37 | Jerub | oh right |
10:07.41 | Jerub | i didn't realise they were up a floor |
10:09.15 | RaydenUni | ok, i'm going to sleep |
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10:27.27 | mitch0 | didum |
10:29.48 | Elkano | one elder to go... the one in 1k :/ |
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10:34.27 | selckin | cba anyone with those |
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11:38.08 | quiescens | o.o |
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11:53.01 | bigzer0 | kind of off topic, but is anyone familiar with WoW packet flow. I think just general knowledge of TCP packet flow would be helpful here. |
11:53.48 | bigzer0 | I'm having some very strange lag problems. Once in a while, I lag out to a point where I can't cast spells, but unterestingly enough I can receive chat messages and send them. |
11:54.35 | bigzer0 | Also if I move around in wow while lagging and then close my client (the only way I can start playing again as it does not actually DC me, just keeps lagging |
11:55.03 | bigzer0 | but when I log back in, I actually end up where I moved during this lag |
11:55.25 | selckin | sounds like what most ppl call "server lag" |
11:55.38 | selckin | is this usually in twilight by any chance? |
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11:55.49 | bigzer0 | it happens randomly, only for me, and in any zone |
11:56.00 | bigzer0 | but I do have some more info |
11:56.03 | selckin | then maybe not |
11:56.31 | bigzer0 | so I've been tracerouting my connection to server during these lag outs and there's no increase in latency |
11:56.41 | bigzer0 | so i started packet sniffing |
11:56.58 | bigzer0 | and there's something interesting that I found, but I'm not sure how to interpret it |
11:57.12 | bigzer0 | I'll post the packet flow on pastebin in one minute, but |
11:57.32 | bigzer0 | what happened was that there was a lost TCP packet comming from the server |
11:57.39 | selckin | can only be a tcp problem if it uses multiple connections, and i dunno if it does |
11:57.41 | bigzer0 | and then it never managed to recover from that |
11:59.52 | selckin | if a packet was dropped it won't use any of the newer ones |
12:00.04 | selckin | untill that packet was resent, so it would have to use a diffrend connection for chat |
12:00.07 | bigzer0 | http://paste.wowace.com/3223/ |
12:00.12 | bigzer0 | yeah |
12:00.15 | bigzer0 | it would |
12:00.23 | bigzer0 | i think it actually uses a different server |
12:00.33 | bigzer0 | as I see some other packets from the same subnet |
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12:01.49 | bigzer0 | and that list goes on with the same packet being retransmitted over and over |
12:01.58 | bigzer0 | the one I pasted |
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12:07.58 | selckin | do you have any type of firewall installed? |
12:09.35 | bigzer0 | I'm behind a router |
12:09.41 | bigzer0 | but I have tried bypassing it |
12:09.46 | bigzer0 | with no change |
12:09.54 | bigzer0 | and windows firewall is disabled |
12:10.22 | selckin | seems odd someone would just block that one packet |
12:11.04 | bigzer0 | so i never end up getting the Seq=60450 packet from the server |
12:11.18 | bigzer0 | but i do keep getting the Seq=60505 instead |
12:11.41 | bigzer0 | so the server does receive my Ack=60450, but sends 60505? |
12:12.11 | bigzer0 | or maybe it resends 60450 which gets blocked again and sends 60505, which is the one i get |
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12:35.54 | Repo | d733543: Use new oUF event dispatching. |
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12:42.50 | vhaarr | bigzer0: both sides can be at fault here, that's the problem |
12:43.46 | selckin | or anyone in the middle |
12:44.01 | vhaarr | yes, including the windows tcp handler |
12:44.09 | vhaarr | which is most likely to be the problem actually |
12:44.31 | bigzer0 | :-( |
12:45.19 | vhaarr | if you have some free space, install ubuntu using the WUBI installer (it installs linux to a file on your NTFS/FAT32 drive) and run wow there |
12:45.21 | bigzer0 | wouldn't wreshark be sitting in front of the TCP handler? |
12:45.22 | vhaarr | I bet you won't see the problem |
12:45.54 | bigzer0 | i have Ubuntu installed actually, WoW runs fine through Wine? |
12:46.35 | vhaarr | yes |
12:47.04 | bigzer0 | ok, i'll try. But back to where wireshark sniffs out packets. wouldn't they be before the TCP stack? |
12:47.13 | bigzer0 | or layer rather |
12:47.19 | vhaarr | I don't think so, that'd require hardware support in your card |
12:47.25 | vhaarr | it probably uses winsock |
12:48.11 | bigzer0 | it uses WinPcap, which sits on the link layer |
12:49.30 | bigzer0 | as another note. I have reproduced the problem (I think) on my laptop using the same internet connection |
12:49.43 | bigzer0 | but I'm not 100% sure it actually was the same problem |
12:49.57 | bigzer0 | so I'm kinda doubtful that it's something on my computer |
12:50.33 | vhaarr | well the problem with a lost packet could be your ISP or routers fault |
12:50.41 | vhaarr | but not handling it correctly would be the windows stacks problem |
12:51.16 | bigzer0 | but based on the packets i see while sniffing, the TCP stack seems to be handling it properly by resending the last Ack |
12:51.19 | vhaarr | anyway if you have linux there's no reason to use windows |
12:51.46 | bigzer0 | my video card support under ubuntu is... not that great |
12:51.52 | bigzer0 | also netflix |
12:52.03 | bigzer0 | so that's why i have windows |
12:52.18 | vhaarr | ATI card then I guess? |
12:52.21 | bigzer0 | yeah |
12:52.30 | bigzer0 | didn't think it through before buying |
12:52.41 | bigzer0 | well, didn't read enough |
12:52.44 | vhaarr | the good news is that their driver is actually getting better |
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12:53.18 | bigzer0 | it would be nice to have everything working under ubuntu |
12:53.35 | vhaarr | I run nvidia but there are dozens of linux users in here |
12:53.39 | vhaarr | I am sure one of them runs ati |
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15:00.00 | Torhal|work | Foo. |
15:00.32 | Parnic | Bar. |
15:00.37 | Megalon | DIAF |
15:00.51 | Parnic | DOAF |
15:00.58 | sylvanaar_work | LOAF |
15:01.33 | mitch0 | BREAD |
15:01.44 | Parnic | I N C E P T I O N |
15:02.51 | Fisker | Parnic |
15:02.55 | Fisker | why so mad bro? |
15:03.53 | Parnic | me mad? |
15:04.00 | Parnic | no u |
15:04.23 | Parnic | hi fisker |
15:07.05 | Fisker | hey Parnic |
15:07.50 | Parnic | have you gone to visit the Zero Point guys making interstellar marines? |
15:07.55 | Parnic | your country is like 2 blocks long, right? |
15:08.24 | Fisker | naw |
15:08.29 | Fisker | interstellar marines sucks |
15:08.41 | Parnic | they want me to buy their alpha version |
15:08.44 | Parnic | they're pulling a minecraft |
15:09.19 | Fisker | jerks |
15:09.35 | Fisker | LOL |
15:09.37 | Fisker | Parnic |
15:09.46 | Fisker | just pulled their company records |
15:10.11 | Parnic | just go knock on their door. aren't they like next door to you? |
15:10.30 | Fisker | naw |
15:10.38 | Fisker | they're bankrupt |
15:11.16 | Parnic | well of course. why else would they ask everyone to buy the alpha version of their game? |
15:11.17 | Fisker | looks like you better buy some alphas |
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15:12.33 | Fisker | weird |
15:12.37 | Fisker | i smell shens |
15:12.49 | Fisker | the old company was "Glitch developement" |
15:12.51 | Kalroth | no, you smell of something else |
15:15.07 | Fisker | i will have sex with your butt Kalroth |
15:15.14 | Kalroth | awsum |
15:17.10 | Parnic | hey fisker. almost every city around me is shut down due to ~1 inch of ice on the ground that was there yesterday and never got salted |
15:17.26 | Fisker | bam |
15:19.01 | Ackis | pfft you southerners can't deal with snow/ice |
15:19.03 | Ackis | casuals! |
15:19.10 | Parnic | it's a sheet of ice, bro :P |
15:19.19 | Parnic | hey ackis i installed you last night |
15:19.49 | Ackis | kinky |
15:20.01 | Parnic | just like wow insider told me to |
15:20.28 | Fisker | what a shitty game Parnic |
15:20.31 | Ackis | AMG |
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15:45.58 | elb0w | Why are there no translate faction chat addons? |
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15:49.33 | TheDude2 | its against the ToS? |
15:49.37 | TheDude2 | (even with realid?) |
15:50.46 | Wobin | he's gone |
15:52.29 | kadrahil | that's not real |
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15:58.19 | sylvanaar_work | that was quick |
15:58.31 | sylvanaar_work | love em and leave em kind of guy |
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16:01.55 | Repo | - Warning blink should be more consistent |
16:05.20 | Repo | 10cooldowncount: 03kiki 04v3.5 * r95 : Tagging as v3.5 |
16:15.06 | sylvanaar_work | > print "purl, i love you" |
16:15.12 | sylvanaar_work | lua> print "purl, i love you" |
16:15.12 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: purl, i love you |
16:15.18 | sylvanaar_work | oh damn |
16:15.25 | sylvanaar_work | i forgot it does that |
16:16.00 | Brybry | gets bad ideas |
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16:33.14 | Torhal|work | sylvanaar_work: Decided to take a break, eh? |
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16:48.03 | quiescens | moo |
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17:00.48 | pompy | http://www.youtube.com/android live stream in an hour |
17:02.00 | Megalon | these aren't the droid you're looking for |
17:02.37 | kadrahil | 2/10 for effort but -8 for overuse |
17:02.40 | kadrahil | Megalon |
17:02.54 | Megalon | that's what you mom said last night |
17:02.59 | Megalon | and look at the fuck i was giving |
17:03.09 | kadrahil | huh |
17:03.13 | kadrahil | ALSO OVERUSED |
17:03.27 | kadrahil | AFK |
17:08.21 | quiescens | o.o |
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18:29.07 | Repo | Disable cooldown on Jar of Ancient Remedys, as the the internal cooldown would overrule the real use cooldown of the trinket, which kinda sucks. |
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18:41.04 | Slayman | Magmaw how do you do him? |
18:41.22 | Slayman | 2 tanks, tankswitch after being eaten that far alright |
18:43.03 | nebula169 | i speak from a 10man pov, but one is fine |
18:43.32 | nebula169 | just need a bit more healing after getting the armor debuff, but nothing unmanagable |
18:43.41 | durcyn | armor debuff is brutal with one tank, are you drinking paint thinner |
18:43.58 | nebula169 | not really? |
18:44.15 | nebula169 | pop a cd when you get eaten |
18:44.53 | Slayman | tanking is A-OK |
18:45.05 | Slayman | however the parasites keep the ranged busy all the time |
18:45.11 | Slayman | and eventually kill them |
18:45.19 | Niv | hehe |
18:45.21 | nevcairiel | are we talking magmaw or magmaw hc? |
18:45.23 | Niv | I tank all the worms on magmaw |
18:45.30 | Niv | and leave 1 tank on magmaw himself |
18:45.31 | Slayman | nonhero ofc |
18:45.46 | nevcairiel | we have one tank on magmaw, and a frost dk or even hunter kite the adds |
18:45.47 | Niv | I do 35k dps as a prot warrior tanking paracites ;) |
18:45.49 | Slayman | just tank them all the time= |
18:45.51 | nevcairiel | no add killing |
18:46.00 | Niv | no one dps's them, I kill them all |
18:46.03 | Niv | it's fun |
18:46.06 | nevcairiel | we just kite em |
18:46.17 | nevcairiel | frost dk can slow them just fine |
18:46.21 | nevcairiel | also had a hunter kite them solo |
18:46.26 | Slayman | yeah he's respeccing |
18:46.32 | Niv | that takes effort ;) |
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18:46.43 | nebula169 | frost dk was pretty clutch in our first few kills |
18:47.08 | Niv | http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-za4i19r90q5zv5ey/sum/damageDone/?s=5579&e=5893 |
18:47.11 | nevcairiel | our frost dk manages it now without the parasites humping anyone, not even him |
18:47.11 | Niv | prot warrior dps rawr |
18:48.23 | Slayman | so we do it as we always did 1 frostdk is kiting his ass off, I'll taking a beating with my delightful debuff |
19:03.58 | genetik | speaking of magmaw.. has anyone experienced any bugginess in 25man with people going up on his head to use chains? |
19:04.14 | nevcairiel | it fails occasionally |
19:04.29 | genetik | like.. these past two weeks, we've only been able to get 2 people up sometimes |
19:04.51 | nevcairiel | 2 is all you need |
19:04.58 | genetik | in 25man? |
19:05.32 | nevcairiel | quite positive |
19:05.36 | genetik | did they change that? i'm pretty sure it was 3 at some point |
19:08.10 | Pneumatus | so, recount playing up with class coloring :o |
19:09.20 | Pneumatus | wonder what's changed recently for that to happen |
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19:34.53 | Slayman | genetik: in 10mans it happens as well |
19:35.14 | Slayman | basically chains too early aren't properly recognised |
19:36.17 | nebula169 | isn't that part of the mechanic? chains need to go out at roughly the same time or he emotes breaking free? |
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19:38.12 | Funkeh` | yes |
19:38.23 | Funkeh` | but you need 2 or more chains to do it, 3 just speeds it up |
19:39.01 | Funkeh` | if you use 2, he likes to waddle around and think what life would be like if he was a real boy |
19:39.07 | kadrahil | chins |
19:39.13 | kadrahil | double chin |
19:39.24 | Jedi- | anyone know what happened to the sRaidFrames author? :< |
19:39.30 | Jedi- | someone should take it over and fix it! |
19:40.02 | Funkeh` | I quite like the blizz raid frames myself, they just need to allow you to make em smaller |
19:40.32 | Jedi- | couldnt live without my sraidframes now :( |
19:43.32 | nevcairiel | the sRF author hasnt worked on it for years |
19:43.38 | genetik | Funkeh`: so you're sometimes able to get 3 people on him? |
19:43.39 | nevcairiel | and the other people fixing it have moved on |
19:46.31 | arkanes | I got 2 shot by magmaw with the armor debuff when vengeance fell off |
19:46.41 | arkanes | he can hit pretty hard but it's not generally a problem |
19:47.57 | nebula169 | vindication you mean? |
19:48.25 | arkanes | yeah |
19:48.46 | arkanes | looked at the log later, had a really crazy string of avoidance and resists |
19:48.59 | arkanes | which resulted in him hitting me in the face for 80k |
19:49.18 | nebula169 | ew |
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19:55.03 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 2.2.0-beta1-12-g8025c75 / (5 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits] |
19:55.04 | Repo | 8025c75: Marked "Deepdive Helmet" as no longer in the game |
19:55.05 | Repo | 486c63a: Fixed obtain for "Runecloth Robe" and "Runecloth Cloak" as Limited Supply vendor acquire |
19:55.06 | Repo | 3bdfdea: Fixed issue where Master's Spellthread wasn't being scanned correctly |
19:55.07 | Repo | f16181e: Removed "Jubie Gadgetspring" from the Vendor database as the vendor is no longer in the game |
19:58.25 | nevcairiel | Funkeh`: on valiona bigwigs yelled at me that target was nil, and that i was supposed to tell you about it |
19:59.51 | Funkeh` | nevcairiel, yeah i removed that now thanks |
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20:07.03 | Funkeh` | nevcairiel, it didn't spam right? Should have shown maximum twice in the encounter |
20:07.12 | nevcairiel | once, i think |
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20:12.03 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 2.2.0-beta1-14-ge6ba0bc Database (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
20:12.04 | Repo | e6ba0bc: Removed a quest no longer in the game |
20:12.05 | Repo | ed04ae8: Mark "Orcish War Leggings" as no longer obtainable |
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20:21.25 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: http://paste.wowace.com/3224/ |
20:21.49 | vhaarr | some guildie getting it, I have no idea what he did |
20:22.08 | Slayman | drdamage is wrong about thorns whoever cares |
20:22.11 | nevcairiel | i blame omnicc |
20:27.10 | RaydenUni | i like how the tankspot halfus kill ends with 2 people alive in 25 man |
20:30.11 | Gagorian | Slayman: Is even the Blizzard tooltip correct? |
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20:34.34 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1589 Data/Druid.lua: - Feral Spec Thorns now uses AP instead of SP |
20:34.55 | Gagorian | Slayman: I guess should be correct now if you were Feral |
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20:40.10 | Slayman | Gagorian: blizzard TT is about acurate, drD is off by factor 10 |
20:40.42 | Funkeh` | haha, gogo microsoft building a chrome plugin for h.264 |
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20:50.33 | Repo | 10badboy_guilded: 03funkydude * r32 / (2 files in 1 directory): another trigger |
20:54.36 | durcyn | installing now just on principle |
21:00.49 | Gagorian | Well, at least Microsofts Firefox h.264 plugin was horribly broken |
21:00.56 | Gagorian | Massive memory leak |
21:01.50 | nevcairiel | its a WMP plugin, of course its broken |
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21:22.24 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: apple responded |
21:23.15 | nevcairiel | where? |
21:24.23 | Kaelten | http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/02/01/apple-responds-to-sony-in-app-purchase-report/ |
21:25.05 | Kaelten | so âWe are now requiring that if an app offers customers the ability to purchase books outside of the app, that the same option is also available to customers from within the app with in-app purchase.â |
21:26.15 | nevcairiel | thats still silly, so when i want to write a reader for my online library that you can only buy through the website, you still have to code a store into the app |
21:26.57 | nevcairiel | and go through all the hassle of adding all products to iTunes store |
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21:27.13 | Kaelten | well, it's a win-win from apples perspective, a better user experiance for the users and a cut for apple |
21:27.36 | Kaelten | I think the content could still be deliverable from your servers |
21:28.13 | arkanes | the in-app purchase just handles the money |
21:28.24 | arkanes | content delivery is up to you and can come from anywhere |
21:28.30 | nevcairiel | Its this kind of rules that make me dislike Apple. They try to control everything and everyone |
21:29.27 | Kaelten | arkanes: yeah that's what I thought too |
21:29.35 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: that's not an unreasonable requirement |
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21:29.55 | nevcairiel | It is, when your competition doesnt do it |
21:30.07 | nevcairiel | enough reason for me to never go there |
21:30.22 | arkanes | there's benefits to doing both things |
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21:30.49 | arkanes | the iphone app store even with all its rules and control issues is still beating the pants off the android version |
21:30.56 | Kaelten | hands down |
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21:31.28 | Kaelten | android is too fragmented with not enough quality controls really |
21:31.32 | arkanes | and it's probably worth noting that even with this rule the iphone app store is far, far, far less controlling and more accessible than it was before the iphone blew open the carrier walled gardens |
21:31.35 | TheDude2 | heh from apples perspective its win-win-win-win(x500 billion) +30% of whatever you sell |
21:31.48 | TheDude2 | theres almost no reason not to |
21:32.10 | Kaelten | arkanes: that's true, and when you remember how bad the carriers used to control it, it's kinda laughable when people point out the evil of apple |
21:32.17 | arkanes | the iphone app store is targeted really heavily toward small developers |
21:32.40 | arkanes | they were encouraging the same ecosystem they had in the mac community of app developers, and it worked to a large extent |
21:32.40 | Niv | apple is really a solutions company, so you have to expect that sort of control |
21:33.05 | Niv | I prefer iphone because of the result of their restrictions, all the shit I get off cydia is pretty buggy :) |
21:33.13 | arkanes | other corporate giants like sony and even amazon coming on board with their token app that was a front end for an alternate service wasn't really their target audience so I'm not surprised there's pushback |
21:33.46 | nevcairiel | i still think its funny that you cannot have GPL'ed apps on the app store |
21:33.50 | arkanes | it's very similar to the similar situations with console stores & gateways |
21:36.07 | arkanes | one thing I do find surprising is that there's not a whole lot of evidence of apple offering up other contracts & options to big companies |
21:36.46 | arkanes | with someone else amazon might have been able to negotiate a much smaller slice of the in-app purchase going to apple |
21:36.54 | TheDude2 | thank the GPL for that, not apple (i think?) |
21:36.56 | arkanes | and therefore they might have done the direct in-app thing |
21:37.23 | arkanes | TheDude2: well, it all depends on where you decide the action is |
21:37.45 | arkanes | TheDude2: Apple distributes iphone apps under a TOS that isn't GPL compatible, where you decide the "blame" lays is up to you |
21:38.16 | TheDude2 | oh for sure |
21:40.43 | TheDude2 | my favorite app store weirdness is that they dont allow any interpreted language apps |
21:40.47 | TheDude2 | no basic compiler, nothin |
21:40.51 | TheDude2 | interpreter* |
21:41.42 | arkanes | they backed off that |
21:42.05 | nevcairiel | Is it still forbidden to use that flash toolkit to build apps? :d |
21:42.18 | arkanes | the intention was never to keep you from writing your apps in, say, python or javascript, but to keep you from bypassing restrictions by dynamically loading content |
21:42.25 | arkanes | so they clarified that and all is well |
21:42.25 | arkanes | no |
21:43.10 | arkanes | as far as I know it was never "forbidden" in the sense that an app was rejected forit |
21:43.13 | nevcairiel | that was fun, not only that they dont ship flash, they banned it completly, even when not used in a browser :D |
21:43.34 | arkanes | nah |
21:43.46 | arkanes | they had overly broad language to prevent a specific scenario |
21:43.59 | TheDude2 | that was more about a pissing war with adobe than anything else |
21:44.08 | arkanes | and everyone kinda freaked out, so they updated the language to be more clear and it was done |
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21:44.25 | arkanes | I can't really blame them for not wanting flash, it's horrible |
21:44.30 | TheDude2 | but yeah, they still dont allow 3rd party interpreters on that end afaik |
21:44.41 | arkanes | TheDude2: nah you can |
21:44.53 | arkanes | TheDude2: what you cant do is use that interpreter to run any content thats not shipped with your app |
21:44.54 | nevcairiel | it is, but its also widely used, and not supporting it, or even not allowing it, is just blocking user experience |
21:46.00 | TheDude2 | oh huh, they did back off! (on adobes interpreter) |
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21:56.46 | Kaelten | TheDude2, arkanes: I just dislike the GPL in general |
21:57.07 | arkanes | lots of people do |
21:57.37 | nevcairiel | 2 is alright, 3 is weird |
21:57.41 | arkanes | keeping this exact situation from happening is one of its goals, though |
21:57.43 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I love the fact that they don't let you have flash |
21:58.03 | nevcairiel | i dont get that, how can you love being forbidden to have something |
21:58.05 | nevcairiel | fanboys |
21:58.10 | nevcairiel | ! |
21:58.11 | nevcairiel | :P |
21:58.11 | Kaelten | no I hate flash |
21:58.15 | Kaelten | there's a difference |
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21:58.21 | Kaelten | I block it on my home computers too |
21:58.51 | Kaelten | Adobe has shown no love to macs, and definately not the mac version of flash for so long, I could care less. |
21:58.55 | TheDude2 | yeah it was designed for just this sort of scenario. GPL people usually know what they are getting into |
21:59.19 | Kaelten | Hell in osx Flash is the #1 cause of application crashes |
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22:00.10 | TheDude2 | its done wonders for html5 adoption |
22:00.15 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: and no I'm not a fanboy, the reason I love it is that it's forced companies to drop flash or offer alternatives |
22:00.36 | TheDude2 | flash has never been more ready to die than it is right now :P |
22:00.47 | Kaelten | it'll be more ready tommorrow |
22:01.36 | arkanes | stupid snow is ruining my internets |
22:02.58 | the-golem | one of my instructors yesterday gave a brief tutorial on creating a portfolio through InDesign. |
22:03.09 | the-golem | Which, incidentally, made me want to kick his teeth in. |
22:03.19 | the-golem | er |
22:03.36 | the-golem | a web-based portfolio* |
22:03.56 | nevcairiel | I can understand you dont like flash, and if you dont want it, disable it, block it, whatever. I just don't like some company telling me what i cannot do, no matter what that is |
22:05.34 | nevcairiel | If some web page needs flash, i don't have to like it, but i would still prefer to be able to use it |
22:06.38 | durcyn | some company like adobe |
22:06.50 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: they're not telling you what you can't do, they're only saying what their hardware won't support |
22:06.58 | nevcairiel | its not a hardware thing |
22:07.06 | Kaelten | hardware/software |
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22:07.34 | Kaelten | that's the beauty of it all, you get to decide what you want and buy one of the many other wonderful phones or tablets that have great support for flash |
22:09.35 | durcyn | flash has been a turd since before the iphone existed, i don't get how any one can defend it on technical grounds, it is without merit. |
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22:15.17 | Kaelten | durcyn: indeed |
22:16.01 | nevcairiel | Like i said before, its not about flash itself :P |
22:17.40 | durcyn | but it is. if everyone acceeds to adobe's bullshit and uses flash, what motivation is there to replace it with less shitty open standards like H.264 or Canvas? |
22:17.55 | nevcairiel | h264 is a open standard now? |
22:18.10 | Kaelten | yeah it kinda is |
22:18.11 | Kaelten | it's not free |
22:18.13 | Kaelten | but it is open |
22:18.14 | durcyn | you're conflating licensing with cost |
22:18.34 | nevcairiel | I have to pay them to read the standard |
22:18.37 | nevcairiel | its not really open to me :P |
22:18.43 | durcyn | and flash is? |
22:19.02 | nevcairiel | When did i say that? |
22:19.03 | Kaelten | flash is completely closed, there's nothing open about it |
22:19.16 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.wowace.com/recent-changes/ by prencher |
22:19.23 | nevcairiel | I hate flahs as much as the next guy, your comparison just failed |
22:19.36 | nevcairiel | also, i dont substitute flash with video streaming |
22:20.46 | quiescens | indeed |
22:21.14 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * 1.0.5-22-gedaed18 / (6 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] New things added.. mounts, pets, quests, vendors.. all that good stuff |
22:21.32 | quiescens | just because it is often used to play video doesn't mean its a video system thingy |
22:21.35 | Niv | genetik: it's 3 in 25man |
22:21.43 | Niv | :) |
22:21.59 | nevcairiel | We always only send 2 up, and it works just fine. :P |
22:22.24 | Niv | why would people who write boss mods know more than me? |
22:22.26 | Niv | pfft |
22:22.27 | Niv | hides |
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22:24.27 | Slayman | how did my gloves get +44 Stamina? can't find a recipe |
22:24.28 | quiescens | a wizard did it |
22:24.58 | Slayman | aha! leatherworking! |
22:25.47 | Repo | 10recruitment (experimental): 03Contiki * r4 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
22:25.48 | Repo | Removed recruitment.xml, instead the frame is now declared via Lua code inside recruitment.lua |
22:25.49 | Repo | Set up event handlers as well as rudimentary :OnEnable and :OnDisable functions |
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22:27.49 | mckenziemc | @describe recruitment |
22:27.51 | Repo | mckenziemc: http://www.wowace.com/addons/recruitment/. Recruitment. Automatically sends guild recruitment ads to the appropriate chat channel. |
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22:40.09 | Repo | 10jebus-mail: 03jebus905 * r103 JebusMail.lua: JebusMail: |
22:40.10 | Repo | - A couple of bug fixes |
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22:42.04 | Repo | 10recruitment (experimental): 03Contiki * r5 localization (10 files in 1 directory): Added localization files |
22:43.28 | Repo | 10recruitment (experimental): 03Contiki * r6 meta (2 files in 1 directory): |
22:43.29 | Repo | Added meta folder and description.txt file that holds the actual add-on description as seen on WoWAce, Curse and WoWInterface |
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22:47.38 | Repo | 10recruitment (experimental): 03Contiki * r7 .pkgmeta: |
22:47.39 | Repo | Added .pkgmeta, referenced dependencies, namely AceAddon-3.0, AceConfig-3.0, AceDB-3.0, AceDBOptions-3.0, AceGUI-3.0, AceLocale-3.0, CallbackHandler-1.0 and LibStub |
22:49.03 | Repo | 10healers-have-to-die: 03Archarodim 07master * 1.6.0-4-gd96927c / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] - Small fixes and optimizations |
22:49.14 | quiescens | blarg |
22:49.19 | quiescens | internet is borken ): |
22:49.29 | prencher | you in eqypt? |
22:51.35 | Repo | 10recruitment (experimental): 03Contiki * r8 recruitment.toc: |
22:51.36 | Repo | Changed recruitment.toc to automatically pull the appropriate localization strings from the WoWAce localization database |
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23:07.57 | Repo | 10recruitment (experimental): 03Contiki * r9 meta/description.txt: Fixed typo in description |
23:09.57 | Repo | 10weakauras: 03Mirrormn * r84 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
23:09.58 | Repo | Fixed a bug which prevented Combo Point triggers from properly updating on target change |
23:09.59 | Repo | Fixed a bug which caused errors when using strings containing apostrophes in some triggers |
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23:54.31 | sylvanaar | Torhal: if you have a chance, try my latest beta |
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23:55.36 | sylvanaar | i broke some of the reference resolution, but the other stuff should be working, and there should be no major errors |