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00:20.23Repo10chimaeronhealthpoint: 03Starinnia * r18 / (3 files in 1 directory):
00:20.24Repo-hide window when the group wipes, it will show again on the next attempt
00:22.05Repo10chimaeronhealthpoint: 03Starinnia * r19 .pkgmeta: -fix pkgmeta entry for AceTimer
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00:33.38Repo10big-wigs: 03funkydude 04r8084-release * r8084 : Tagging as r8084-release
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00:35.19RepoText displays can now have font sizes larger than 25px (although they will be pixelated)
00:35.20RepoFixed a bug which kept Name from being displayed on the Add Dynamic Text option of Text displays
00:35.21RepoUpdated Spanish localization for 1.3
00:39.34Repo10weakauras: 03Mirrormn 041.3.1 * r83 : Tagging as 1.3.1
00:39.35RepoText displays can now have font sizes over 25px (they will be pixelated)
00:39.36RepoFixed some bugs in Text displays
00:39.37RepoUpdated Spanish localization for 1.3
00:53.30Groktarhttp://i.imgur.com/QJOrK.jpg
00:53.34Groktarscrew you midwest
00:55.05Primerinteresting
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01:56.13Repo* Fixed bug: Stacks not updating properly {Ticket #52}
01:56.45Repo10libcandybar-3-0: 03Rabbit * r34 bars.lua:
01:56.46RepoStop squeezing the textures like blizz likes to do nowadays.
01:57.18Repo10fambags: 03fammy2k 04v1.0.6-beta3 * r70 : Version: v1.0.6-beta3
01:57.19Repo* Fixed bug: Stacks not updating properly {Ticket #52}
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02:00.11pakozwhats the seed that determines loot? my guild is convinced its based on XYZ and I wish to put an end to their guessing
02:00.36pakozI'm assuming its not manipulative, not trying to exploit but its causing annoyances
02:01.13vhaarrI'd imagine they're using the regular java securerandom
02:03.06pakozthe majority believe it to be based on the raid leader at the time of the first boss kill and I'm hoping for a means of murdering their nonsense
02:03.46vhaarrwell, if any of them are running linux, like blizz probably are on their servers
02:03.56vhaarrtell them to change raid leader and cat /dev/urandom
02:04.01vhaarrand see if they can spot a pattern
02:05.37pakozbrb, thanks vhaar
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02:12.04vhaarrthing is, we don't really know when they seed their generator, do we
02:12.26vhaarrit could be when the servers restart, for example, and it's just one long list of random numbers until the next restart
02:12.39SunTsuat least he was satisfied
02:13.00vhaarrwhich would, in a sense, make it less predictable because the ingame world would influence it
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02:25.43orionshocknevcairiel, is there an option in BT4 to rotate though the action bars via key/mouse bind?
02:25.56orionshockIE the default UI's shift+mousewheel ?
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02:36.37GnarfozSunTsu: I wonder why, though. checking his own /dev/urandom makes incredibly little sense for a server-based prng? ^^
02:37.13Gnarfozthe only ones who will ever know is those who've looked at the code. >:D
02:40.34MegalonGnarfoz, you know what time it is
02:40.47Gnarfozprng time
02:40.54MegalonIT'S Regular Ordinary Swedish Meal Time
02:41.00Megalonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L40f39bPII
02:41.23GnarfozI like the ninja-accordion-mortal-kombat-theme-poka
02:41.27Gnarfoz*polka damnit
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02:42.41Megalonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PoNP8CaFAg that one
02:43.11Gnarfozof course
02:43.32Megalonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S67bzceyA0
02:43.37Megalonalso quite wtf :o
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03:24.47Repo1e925df: Mark a bunch of recipes as retired
03:24.48Repoadd11ea: Removed a bunch of quests no longer in the game
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09:02.04Repo10broker_durabilityinfo: 03iceeagle 07master * v1.6-5-g994874f / (3 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] update throtle improved guild repair
09:03.06RaydenUniis lifebloom supposed to be healing as much as rejuv?
09:03.50selckinprobably
09:05.00RaydenUniseems odd as it costs way less
09:05.22RaydenUniit's about the same
09:08.03selckinhttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2vc4p01pmmcpihs7/details/6/?s=11318&e=11555
09:08.09selckinlove the bloom
09:09.39mitch0rayden: it's shorter though
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09:13.52RaydenUni?
09:14.01RaydenUnishorter is better
09:14.05selckincan't keep it up on as many targets
09:14.17RaydenUniit's more hps
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09:16.20selckinyou can do like 10k hps indefintly and oom in a min on20k hps
09:17.07selckinbut hps is a very bad way to judge healing
09:17.59RaydenUnihigher hpm and hps
09:18.36selckinif all your healers focus on maxing hps, your tanks will just die
09:20.57selckinit's not like you can exclude a spell from the rotation
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09:25.19RaydenUniyeah
09:25.27RaydenUnii just assumed the more expensive hot would be more efficient
09:25.52RaydenUnilike, i have 1 hot to cast on myself to heal, which do i pick?
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09:27.04selckin1gcd or 3 gcd?
09:28.20selckinwhich one will cause you not to drop lifebloom of the tanks
09:28.30KalrothGood healing = noone dying from lack of healing. Bad healing = people dying from lack of healing. There is no such thing as overhealing.
09:28.40KalrothUnless you run out of mana, of course. :)
09:29.19selckinand reactive healing is the worst
09:29.28selckin(except on the raid)
09:29.37Kalrothdefinitely
09:30.06KalrothIf you got the mana to spam huge heals on the tank, then do so, even if he is at 100%
09:33.22RaydenUni1gcd of lifeblood selckin
09:33.32RaydenUni1 lifebloom costs less, heals more, and does it in less time than rejuv
09:33.35RaydenUnior it's about the same heal
09:33.39RaydenUnidepends on crits
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09:34.41mitch0also, rejuv heals up-front a bit, too
09:35.05RaydenUnino it doesn't
09:35.11mitch0does with talent
09:35.36RaydenUniah
09:35.40RaydenUnii'm not resto i'm feral
09:35.45pakozanyone know how to get ipconfig information from a retired OS drive?  I have it hooked up externally but I can't recall the ip settings
09:35.59selckinthe worst thing you can do it tell healers how to heal if you've never done it
09:36.01RaydenUniso it's really the difference between lifebloom healing for 7400 and rejuv for 7900
09:36.07RaydenUnii'm not telling anyone how to do anything
09:36.14RaydenUninever have i suggested "use lifebloom and don't use rejuv"
09:36.29RaydenUnii'm just saying it seems weird to me that one is superior to the other in almost every way
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09:37.19RaydenUnijust means i own't be using rejuv much in arenas i guess
09:37.38selckinyou'll probably be using both or die
09:37.42pakozwouldnt you use both?
09:37.52RaydenUniin 1 gcd i can cast lifebloom or rejuv
09:38.01RaydenUniin 2 gcd i can cast 2 bloom or 1 bloom and 1 rejuv
09:38.05RaydenUniin 3 i can do 3 bloom
09:38.07RaydenUniget the point?
09:38.21RaydenUniwhy not use the one that costs less than 50%, heals faster, and heals nearly as much
09:38.29RaydenUniin the case where i have 4gcd, then i'll use rejuv
09:38.38selckinyes offcourse, but that doesn't make the other one les susefull
09:38.46RaydenUnihow does it not make it less useful?
09:38.49selckinor bad in some way
09:38.54RaydenUniin a time critical situation, it is less useful
09:39.44RaydenUniyes, if you are healing a tank or the raid, more HOTs are better
09:39.51RaydenUniyou're going to keep a 3xbloom and rejuv and regrowth on your target
09:39.53RaydenUniof course
09:40.09mitch0not so sure about regrowth. it's way to expensive
09:40.18RaydenUnii just always assumed that since rejuv lasts longer and costs more, it would heal for more
09:40.43RaydenUnioh lifebloom can only be one 1 target at a time
09:40.46RaydenUnithere's a downside
09:40.53selckin2
09:41.04selckinand you can renew rejuv with like nurish or something
09:41.05RaydenUnii assume that's a talent/glyph?
09:41.20mitch0talent
09:41.56RaydenUniit also seems that more talents improve rejuv heals
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09:43.11selckinyou can keep 2 targets fully hotted if i'm not mistaken
09:43.21selckinif you're not resto specced, none of the heals are worth using
09:43.26mitch0LB is single target, unless in tree form
09:44.09RaydenUnii don't see the bloom talent, must have missed it
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09:44.25RaydenUnii use tranquility sometimes when i'm tanking
09:44.33RaydenUnior if i just brezzed someone
09:44.48RaydenUniand when healing touch is free i use it in pvp
09:44.55RaydenUnifree and instant
09:45.30selckintranq when tanking
09:45.32selckinwhat
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09:45.55RaydenUnilike say in BH when im not the target
09:46.25KalrothI'm sure the raid appriciates you staying in bearform :p
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09:46.47selckinthere are maybe 2 fights where you could do that
09:47.02selckinbut it still heals for shit all
09:47.18RaydenUnii don't do it a lot
09:47.24RaydenUnibut it's nice when i can
09:47.37selckinjust means you can't dispell
09:47.43RaydenUnidispel?
09:47.48mitch0if any Omen author cares: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38693
09:47.55RaydenUnii do'nt stay in bear form even when i don't heal
09:48.00RaydenUnii switch to cat and get a 5 pt rip up
09:48.06selckinif ppl die on bh it's because ppl didn't dispell
09:48.17selckinelse it's impossible to die unless you're all afk
09:48.27RaydenUniyes
09:48.37RaydenUniand lately all of the healers i get can't find their dispel button
09:49.07RaydenUnilike literally, "i have a talent that lets me dispel?"
09:49.18RaydenUnior "yeah, i don't have that talent. so what?"
09:49.29RaydenUnior "my mod for clicking dispel doesn't seem to work..."
09:49.31RaydenUniugh
09:49.31selckin"remove player" click
09:49.42RaydenUniyeah but it always takes 10 minutes to find 2 healers
09:49.51selckinlike feral druids not taking interrupt
09:50.04RaydenUnihurts my dps man
09:50.18selckinlet me calc your dps when you're dead
09:50.24selckinhmm that's a hard one
09:51.26RaydenUnihmm, i'm not sure how useful master shapeshifter is for arena
09:51.36RaydenUnicrit by 4%
09:51.47RaydenUnii guess bear form dmg by 4% is good
09:52.07RaydenUnii suppose 4% crit chance is good for combo point gaining
09:52.32RaydenUniare there training dummies that aren't super crowded like the ones in org?
09:54.25selckinuh
09:54.33selckinhad obvious awnser
09:54.37RaydenUnicrowded as in no space around you
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09:56.07selckinas is aoe doesn't hit other dummies?
09:57.25pakozis it possible to browse the registry of a cloned drive (image) ?
09:57.45RaydenUnino, so my camera doesn't have to be zoomed in super far
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09:59.31selckinif you can't see the logic interpertation of your question is other players and the followup doesn't make sense in that context
10:00.41RaydenUnii want a training dummy that is not located in a confined space like the level 85 one in orgrimmar is
10:00.44RaydenUniis there such a thing?
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10:01.38pakozi think the thunderbluff one is pretty isolated, what aoe are you trying to isolate?
10:02.11RaydenUnii'm not doing aoe
10:03.47selckinyou where serious about the camera thing? that sounded like troll awnser :)
10:03.55RaydenUnii was serious
10:04.09RaydenUnithe lvl 85 dummy is back behind the raid boss ones beind a huge pillar
10:04.11RaydenUnii find it annoying
10:06.01JerubRaydenUni: does that count for all sets of dummmies in org?
10:06.14RaydenUnithe level 80 ones on the roof aren't as bad
10:06.23JerubRaydenUni: the ones in the building near the stables and on the wlals?
10:06.28Jerubi don't know which ones are raid boss ones
10:06.39RaydenUnieast of the stables
10:06.46RaydenUniin that big fortress looking building
10:06.53RaydenUnithe raid boss one are on the first floor inside
10:07.37Jeruboh right
10:07.41Jerubi didn't realise they were up a floor
10:09.15RaydenUniok, i'm going to sleep
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10:29.48Elkanoone elder to go... the one in 1k :/
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11:53.01bigzer0kind of off topic, but is anyone familiar with WoW packet flow. I think just general knowledge of TCP packet flow would be helpful here.
11:53.48bigzer0I'm having some very strange lag problems. Once in a while, I lag out to a point where I can't cast spells, but unterestingly enough I can receive chat messages and send them.
11:54.35bigzer0Also if I move around in wow while lagging and then close my client (the only way I can start playing again as it does not actually DC me, just keeps lagging
11:55.03bigzer0but when I log back in, I actually end up where I moved during this lag
11:55.25selckinsounds like what most ppl call "server lag"
11:55.38selckinis this usually in twilight by any chance?
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11:55.49bigzer0it happens randomly, only for me, and in any zone
11:56.00bigzer0but I do have some more info
11:56.03selckinthen maybe not
11:56.31bigzer0so I've been tracerouting my connection to server during these lag outs and there's no increase in latency
11:56.41bigzer0so i started packet sniffing
11:56.58bigzer0and there's something interesting that I found, but I'm not sure how to interpret it
11:57.12bigzer0I'll post the packet flow on pastebin in one minute, but
11:57.32bigzer0what happened was that there was a lost TCP packet comming from the server
11:57.39selckincan only be a tcp problem if it uses multiple connections, and i dunno if it does
11:57.41bigzer0and then it never managed to recover from that
11:59.52selckinif a packet was dropped it won't use any of the newer ones
12:00.04selckinuntill that packet was resent, so it would have to use a diffrend connection for chat
12:00.07bigzer0http://paste.wowace.com/3223/
12:00.12bigzer0yeah
12:00.15bigzer0it would
12:00.23bigzer0i think it actually uses a different server
12:00.33bigzer0as I see some other packets from the same subnet
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12:01.49bigzer0and that list goes on with the same packet being retransmitted over and over
12:01.58bigzer0the one I pasted
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12:07.58selckindo you have any type of firewall installed?
12:09.35bigzer0I'm behind a router
12:09.41bigzer0but I have tried bypassing it
12:09.46bigzer0with no change
12:09.54bigzer0and windows firewall is disabled
12:10.22selckinseems odd someone would just block that one packet
12:11.04bigzer0so i never end up getting the Seq=60450 packet from the server
12:11.18bigzer0but i do keep getting the Seq=60505 instead
12:11.41bigzer0so the server does receive my Ack=60450, but sends 60505?
12:12.11bigzer0or maybe it resends 60450 which gets blocked again and sends 60505, which is the one i get
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12:42.50vhaarrbigzer0: both sides can be at fault here, that's the problem
12:43.46selckinor anyone in the middle
12:44.01vhaarryes, including the windows tcp handler
12:44.09vhaarrwhich is most likely to be the problem actually
12:44.31bigzer0:-(
12:45.19vhaarrif you have some free space, install ubuntu using the WUBI installer (it installs linux to a file on your NTFS/FAT32 drive) and run wow there
12:45.21bigzer0wouldn't wreshark be sitting in front of the TCP handler?
12:45.22vhaarrI bet you won't see the problem
12:45.54bigzer0i have Ubuntu installed actually, WoW runs fine through Wine?
12:46.35vhaarryes
12:47.04bigzer0ok, i'll try. But back to where wireshark sniffs out packets. wouldn't they be before the TCP stack?
12:47.13bigzer0or layer rather
12:47.19vhaarrI don't think so, that'd require hardware support in your card
12:47.25vhaarrit probably uses winsock
12:48.11bigzer0it uses WinPcap, which sits on the link layer
12:49.30bigzer0as another note. I have reproduced the problem (I think) on my laptop using the same internet connection
12:49.43bigzer0but I'm not 100% sure it actually was the same problem
12:49.57bigzer0so I'm kinda doubtful that it's something on my computer
12:50.33vhaarrwell the problem with a lost packet could be your ISP or routers fault
12:50.41vhaarrbut not handling it correctly would be the windows stacks problem
12:51.16bigzer0but based on the packets i see while sniffing, the TCP stack seems to be handling it properly by resending the last Ack
12:51.19vhaarranyway if you have linux there's no reason to use windows
12:51.46bigzer0my video card support under ubuntu is... not that great
12:51.52bigzer0also netflix
12:52.03bigzer0so that's why i have windows
12:52.18vhaarrATI card then I guess?
12:52.21bigzer0yeah
12:52.30bigzer0didn't think it through before buying
12:52.41bigzer0well, didn't read enough
12:52.44vhaarrthe good news is that their driver is actually getting better
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12:53.18bigzer0it would be nice to have everything working under ubuntu
12:53.35vhaarrI run nvidia but there are dozens of linux users in here
12:53.39vhaarrI am sure one of them runs ati
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15:00.00Torhal|workFoo.
15:00.32ParnicBar.
15:00.37MegalonDIAF
15:00.51ParnicDOAF
15:00.58sylvanaar_workLOAF
15:01.33mitch0BREAD
15:01.44ParnicI N C E P T I O N
15:02.51FiskerParnic
15:02.55Fiskerwhy so mad bro?
15:03.53Parnicme mad?
15:04.00Parnicno u
15:04.23Parnichi fisker
15:07.05Fiskerhey Parnic
15:07.50Parnichave you gone to visit the Zero Point guys making interstellar marines?
15:07.55Parnicyour country is like 2 blocks long, right?
15:08.24Fiskernaw
15:08.29Fiskerinterstellar marines sucks
15:08.41Parnicthey want me to buy their alpha version
15:08.44Parnicthey're pulling a minecraft
15:09.19Fiskerjerks
15:09.35FiskerLOL
15:09.37FiskerParnic
15:09.46Fiskerjust pulled their company records
15:10.11Parnicjust go knock on their door. aren't they like next door to you?
15:10.30Fiskernaw
15:10.38Fiskerthey're bankrupt
15:11.16Parnicwell of course. why else would they ask everyone to buy the alpha version of their game?
15:11.17Fiskerlooks like you better buy some alphas
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15:12.33Fiskerweird
15:12.37Fiskeri smell shens
15:12.49Fiskerthe old company was "Glitch developement"
15:12.51Kalrothno, you smell of something else
15:15.07Fiskeri will have sex with your butt Kalroth
15:15.14Kalrothawsum
15:17.10Parnichey fisker. almost every city around me is shut down due to ~1 inch of ice on the ground that was there yesterday and never got salted
15:17.26Fiskerbam
15:19.01Ackispfft you southerners can't deal with snow/ice
15:19.03Ackiscasuals!
15:19.10Parnicit's a sheet of ice, bro :P
15:19.19Parnichey ackis i installed you last night
15:19.49Ackiskinky
15:20.01Parnicjust like wow insider told me to
15:20.28Fiskerwhat a shitty game Parnic
15:20.31AckisAMG
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15:45.58elb0wWhy are there no translate faction chat addons?
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15:49.33TheDude2its against the ToS?
15:49.37TheDude2(even with realid?)
15:50.46Wobinhe's gone
15:52.29kadrahilthat's not real
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15:58.19sylvanaar_workthat was quick
15:58.31sylvanaar_worklove em and leave em kind of guy
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16:15.06sylvanaar_work> print "purl, i love you"
16:15.12sylvanaar_worklua> print "purl, i love you"
16:15.12lua_botsylvanaar_work: purl, i love you
16:15.18sylvanaar_workoh damn
16:15.25sylvanaar_worki forgot it does that
16:16.00Brybrygets bad ideas
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17:00.48pompyhttp://www.youtube.com/android live stream in an hour
17:02.00Megalonthese aren't the droid you're looking for
17:02.37kadrahil2/10 for effort but -8 for overuse
17:02.40kadrahilMegalon
17:02.54Megalonthat's what you mom said last night
17:02.59Megalonand look at the fuck i was giving
17:03.09kadrahilhuh
17:03.13kadrahilALSO OVERUSED
17:03.27kadrahilAFK
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18:29.06Repo10libinternalcooldowns-1-0: 03Nevcairiel * r29 LibInternalCooldowns-1.0/Data.lua:
18:29.07RepoDisable cooldown on Jar of Ancient Remedys, as the the internal cooldown would overrule the real use cooldown of the trinket, which kinda sucks.
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18:41.04SlaymanMagmaw how do you do him?
18:41.22Slayman2 tanks, tankswitch after being eaten that far alright
18:43.03nebula169i speak from a 10man pov, but one is fine
18:43.32nebula169just need a bit more healing after getting the armor debuff, but nothing unmanagable
18:43.41durcynarmor debuff is brutal with one tank, are you drinking paint thinner
18:43.58nebula169not really?
18:44.15nebula169pop a cd when you get eaten
18:44.53Slaymantanking is A-OK
18:45.05Slaymanhowever the parasites keep the ranged busy all the time
18:45.11Slaymanand eventually kill them
18:45.19Nivhehe
18:45.21nevcairielare we talking magmaw or magmaw hc?
18:45.23NivI tank all the worms on magmaw
18:45.30Nivand leave 1 tank on magmaw himself
18:45.31Slaymannonhero ofc
18:45.46nevcairielwe have one tank on magmaw, and a frost dk or even hunter kite the adds
18:45.47NivI do 35k dps as a prot warrior tanking paracites ;)
18:45.49Slaymanjust tank them all the time=
18:45.51nevcairielno add killing
18:46.00Nivno one dps's them, I kill them all
18:46.03Nivit's fun
18:46.06nevcairielwe just kite em
18:46.17nevcairielfrost dk can slow them just fine
18:46.21nevcairielalso had a hunter kite them solo
18:46.26Slaymanyeah he's respeccing
18:46.32Nivthat takes effort ;)
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18:46.43nebula169frost dk was pretty clutch in our first few kills
18:47.08Nivhttp://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-za4i19r90q5zv5ey/sum/damageDone/?s=5579&e=5893
18:47.11nevcairielour frost dk manages it now without the parasites humping anyone, not even him
18:47.11Nivprot warrior dps rawr
18:48.23Slaymanso we do it as we always did 1 frostdk is kiting his ass off, I'll taking a beating with my delightful debuff
19:03.58genetikspeaking of magmaw.. has anyone experienced any bugginess in 25man with people going up on his head to use chains?
19:04.14nevcairielit fails occasionally
19:04.29genetiklike.. these past two weeks, we've only been able to get 2 people up sometimes
19:04.51nevcairiel2 is all you need
19:04.58genetikin 25man?
19:05.32nevcairielquite positive
19:05.36genetikdid they change that? i'm pretty sure it was 3 at some point
19:08.10Pneumatusso, recount playing up with class coloring :o
19:09.20Pneumatuswonder what's changed recently for that to happen
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19:34.53Slaymangenetik: in 10mans it happens as well
19:35.14Slaymanbasically chains too early aren't properly recognised
19:36.17nebula169isn't that part of the mechanic? chains need to go out at roughly the same time or he emotes breaking free?
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19:38.12Funkeh`yes
19:38.23Funkeh`but you need 2 or more chains to do it, 3 just speeds it up
19:39.01Funkeh`if you use 2, he likes to waddle around and think what life would be like if he was a real boy
19:39.07kadrahilchins
19:39.13kadrahildouble chin
19:39.24Jedi-anyone know what happened to the sRaidFrames author? :<
19:39.30Jedi-someone should take it over and fix it!
19:40.02Funkeh`I quite like the blizz raid frames myself, they just need to allow you to make em smaller
19:40.32Jedi-couldnt live without my sraidframes now :(
19:43.32nevcairielthe sRF author hasnt worked on it for years
19:43.38genetikFunkeh`: so you're sometimes able to get 3 people on him?
19:43.39nevcairieland the other people fixing it have moved on
19:46.31arkanesI got 2 shot by magmaw with the armor debuff when vengeance fell off
19:46.41arkaneshe can hit pretty hard but it's not generally a problem
19:47.57nebula169vindication you mean?
19:48.25arkanesyeah
19:48.46arkaneslooked at the log later, had a really crazy string of avoidance and resists
19:48.59arkaneswhich resulted in him hitting me in the face for 80k
19:49.18nebula169ew
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19:55.03Repo10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 2.2.0-beta1-12-g8025c75 / (5 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits]
19:55.04Repo8025c75: Marked "Deepdive Helmet" as no longer in the game
19:55.05Repo486c63a: Fixed obtain for "Runecloth Robe" and "Runecloth Cloak" as Limited Supply vendor acquire
19:55.06Repo3bdfdea: Fixed issue where Master's Spellthread wasn't being scanned correctly
19:55.07Repof16181e: Removed "Jubie Gadgetspring" from the Vendor database as the vendor is no longer in the game
19:58.25nevcairielFunkeh`: on valiona bigwigs yelled at me that target was nil, and that i was supposed to tell you about it
19:59.51Funkeh`nevcairiel, yeah i removed that now thanks
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20:07.03Funkeh`nevcairiel, it didn't spam right? Should have shown maximum twice in the encounter
20:07.12nevcairielonce, i think
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20:12.03Repo10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 2.2.0-beta1-14-ge6ba0bc Database (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
20:12.04Repoe6ba0bc: Removed a quest no longer in the game
20:12.05Repoed04ae8: Mark "Orcish War Leggings" as no longer obtainable
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20:21.25vhaarrnevcairiel: http://paste.wowace.com/3224/
20:21.49vhaarrsome guildie getting it, I have no idea what he did
20:22.08Slaymandrdamage is wrong about thorns whoever cares
20:22.11nevcairieli blame omnicc
20:27.10RaydenUnii like how the tankspot halfus kill ends with 2 people alive in 25 man
20:30.11GagorianSlayman: Is even the Blizzard tooltip correct?
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20:34.34Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1589 Data/Druid.lua: - Feral Spec Thorns now uses AP instead of SP
20:34.55GagorianSlayman: I guess should be correct now if you were Feral
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20:40.10SlaymanGagorian: blizzard TT is about acurate, drD is off by factor 10
20:40.42Funkeh`haha, gogo microsoft building a chrome plugin for h.264
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20:50.33Repo10badboy_guilded: 03funkydude * r32 / (2 files in 1 directory): another trigger
20:54.36durcyninstalling now just on principle
21:00.49GagorianWell, at least Microsofts Firefox h.264 plugin was horribly broken
21:00.56GagorianMassive memory leak
21:01.50nevcairielits a WMP plugin, of course its broken
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21:22.24Kaeltennevcairiel: apple responded
21:23.15nevcairielwhere?
21:24.23Kaeltenhttp://www.loopinsight.com/2011/02/01/apple-responds-to-sony-in-app-purchase-report/
21:25.05Kaeltenso “We are now requiring that if an app offers customers the ability to purchase books outside of the app, that the same option is also available to customers from within the app with in-app purchase.”
21:26.15nevcairielthats still silly, so when i want to write a reader for my online library that you can only buy through the website, you still have to code a store into the app
21:26.57nevcairieland go through all the hassle of adding all products to iTunes store
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21:27.13Kaeltenwell, it's a win-win from apples perspective, a better user experiance for the users and a cut for apple
21:27.36KaeltenI think the content could still be deliverable from your servers
21:28.13arkanesthe in-app purchase just handles the money
21:28.24arkanescontent delivery is up to you and can come from anywhere
21:28.30nevcairielIts this kind of rules that make me dislike Apple. They try to control everything and everyone
21:29.27Kaeltenarkanes: yeah that's what I thought too
21:29.35Kaeltennevcairiel: that's not an unreasonable requirement
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21:29.55nevcairielIt is, when your competition doesnt do it
21:30.07nevcairielenough reason for me to never go there
21:30.22arkanesthere's benefits to doing both things
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21:30.49arkanesthe iphone app store even with all its rules and control issues is still beating the pants off the android version
21:30.56Kaeltenhands down
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21:31.28Kaeltenandroid is too fragmented with not enough quality controls really
21:31.32arkanesand it's probably worth noting that even with this rule the iphone app store is far, far, far less controlling and more accessible than it was before the iphone blew open the carrier walled gardens
21:31.35TheDude2heh from apples perspective its win-win-win-win(x500 billion) +30% of whatever you sell
21:31.48TheDude2theres almost no reason not to
21:32.10Kaeltenarkanes: that's true, and when you remember how bad the carriers used to control it, it's kinda laughable when people point out the evil of apple
21:32.17arkanesthe iphone app store is targeted really heavily toward small developers
21:32.40arkanesthey were encouraging the same ecosystem they had in the mac community of app developers, and it worked to a large extent
21:32.40Nivapple is really a solutions company, so you have to expect that sort of control
21:33.05NivI prefer iphone because of the result of their restrictions, all the shit I get off cydia is pretty buggy :)
21:33.13arkanesother corporate giants like sony and even amazon coming on board with their token app that was a front end for an alternate service wasn't really their target audience so I'm not surprised there's pushback
21:33.46nevcairieli still think its funny that you cannot have GPL'ed apps on the app store
21:33.50arkanesit's very similar to the similar situations with console stores & gateways
21:36.07arkanesone thing I do find surprising is that there's not a whole lot of evidence of apple offering up other contracts & options to big companies
21:36.46arkaneswith someone else amazon might have been able to negotiate a much smaller slice of the in-app purchase going to apple
21:36.54TheDude2thank the GPL for that, not apple (i think?)
21:36.56arkanesand therefore they might have done the direct in-app thing
21:37.23arkanesTheDude2: well, it all depends on where you decide the action is
21:37.45arkanesTheDude2: Apple distributes iphone apps under a TOS that isn't GPL compatible, where you decide the "blame" lays is up to you
21:38.16TheDude2oh for sure
21:40.43TheDude2my favorite app store weirdness is that they dont allow any interpreted language apps
21:40.47TheDude2no basic compiler, nothin
21:40.51TheDude2interpreter*
21:41.42arkanesthey backed off that
21:42.05nevcairielIs it still forbidden to use that flash toolkit to build apps? :d
21:42.18arkanesthe intention was never to keep you from writing your apps in, say, python or javascript, but to keep you from bypassing restrictions by dynamically loading content
21:42.25arkanesso they clarified that and all is well
21:42.25arkanesno
21:43.10arkanesas far as I know it was never "forbidden" in the sense that an app was rejected forit
21:43.13nevcairielthat was fun, not only that they dont ship flash, they banned it completly, even when not used in a browser :D
21:43.34arkanesnah
21:43.46arkanesthey had overly broad language to prevent a specific scenario
21:43.59TheDude2that was more about a pissing war with adobe than anything else
21:44.08arkanesand everyone kinda freaked out, so they updated the language to be more clear and it was done
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21:44.25arkanesI can't really blame them for not wanting flash, it's horrible
21:44.30TheDude2but yeah, they still dont allow 3rd party interpreters on that end afaik
21:44.41arkanesTheDude2: nah you can
21:44.53arkanesTheDude2: what you cant do is use that interpreter to run any content thats not shipped with your app
21:44.54nevcairielit is, but its also widely used, and not supporting it, or even not allowing it, is just blocking user experience
21:46.00TheDude2oh huh, they did back off! (on adobes interpreter)
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21:56.46KaeltenTheDude2, arkanes: I just dislike the GPL in general
21:57.07arkaneslots of people do
21:57.37nevcairiel2 is alright, 3 is weird
21:57.41arkaneskeeping this exact situation from happening is one of its goals, though
21:57.43Kaeltennevcairiel: I love the fact that they don't let you have flash
21:58.03nevcairieli dont get that, how can you love being forbidden to have something
21:58.05nevcairielfanboys
21:58.10nevcairiel!
21:58.11nevcairiel:P
21:58.11Kaeltenno I hate flash
21:58.15Kaeltenthere's a difference
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21:58.21KaeltenI block it on my home computers too
21:58.51KaeltenAdobe has shown no love to macs, and definately not the mac version of flash for so long, I could care less.
21:58.55TheDude2yeah it was designed for just this sort of scenario. GPL people usually know what they are getting into
21:59.19KaeltenHell in osx Flash is the #1 cause of application crashes
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22:00.10TheDude2its done wonders for html5 adoption
22:00.15Kaeltennevcairiel: and no I'm not a fanboy, the reason I love it is that it's forced companies to drop flash or offer alternatives
22:00.36TheDude2flash has never been more ready to die than it is right now :P
22:00.47Kaeltenit'll be more ready tommorrow
22:01.36arkanesstupid snow is ruining my internets
22:02.58the-golemone of my instructors yesterday gave a brief tutorial on creating a portfolio through InDesign.
22:03.09the-golemWhich, incidentally, made me want to kick his teeth in.
22:03.19the-golemer
22:03.36the-golema web-based portfolio*
22:03.56nevcairielI can understand you dont like flash, and if you dont want it, disable it, block it, whatever. I just don't like some company telling me what i cannot do, no matter what that is
22:05.34nevcairielIf some web page needs flash, i don't have to like it, but i would still prefer to be able to use it
22:06.38durcynsome company like adobe
22:06.50Kaeltennevcairiel: they're not telling you what you can't do, they're only saying what their hardware won't support
22:06.58nevcairielits not a hardware thing
22:07.06Kaeltenhardware/software
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22:07.34Kaeltenthat's the beauty of it all, you get to decide what you want and buy one of the many other wonderful phones or tablets that have great support for flash
22:09.35durcynflash has been a turd since before the iphone existed, i don't get how any one can defend it on technical grounds, it is without merit.
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22:15.17Kaeltendurcyn: indeed
22:16.01nevcairielLike i said before, its not about flash itself :P
22:17.40durcynbut it is. if everyone acceeds to adobe's bullshit and uses flash, what motivation is there to replace it with less shitty open standards like H.264 or Canvas?
22:17.55nevcairielh264 is a open standard now?
22:18.10Kaeltenyeah it kinda is
22:18.11Kaeltenit's not free
22:18.13Kaeltenbut it is open
22:18.14durcynyou're conflating licensing with cost
22:18.34nevcairielI have to pay them to read the standard
22:18.37nevcairielits not really open to me :P
22:18.43durcynand flash is?
22:19.02nevcairielWhen did i say that?
22:19.03Kaeltenflash is completely closed, there's nothing open about it
22:19.16RepoKnowledge base page update: http://kb.wowace.com/recent-changes/ by prencher
22:19.23nevcairielI hate flahs as much as the next guy, your comparison just failed
22:19.36nevcairielalso, i dont substitute flash with video streaming
22:20.46quiescensindeed
22:21.14Repo10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * 1.0.5-22-gedaed18 / (6 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] New things added.. mounts, pets, quests, vendors.. all that good stuff
22:21.32quiescensjust because it is often used to play video doesn't mean its a video system thingy
22:21.35Nivgenetik: it's 3 in 25man
22:21.43Niv:)
22:21.59nevcairielWe always only send 2 up, and it works just fine. :P
22:22.24Nivwhy would people who write boss mods know more than me?
22:22.26Nivpfft
22:22.27Nivhides
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22:24.58Slaymanaha! leatherworking!
22:25.47Repo10recruitment (experimental): 03Contiki * r4 / (2 files in 1 directory):
22:25.48RepoRemoved recruitment.xml, instead the frame is now declared via Lua code inside recruitment.lua
22:25.49RepoSet up event handlers as well as rudimentary :OnEnable and :OnDisable functions
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22:27.49mckenziemc@describe recruitment
22:27.51Repomckenziemc: http://www.wowace.com/addons/recruitment/. Recruitment. Automatically sends guild recruitment ads to the appropriate chat channel.
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22:40.10Repo- A couple of bug fixes
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22:49.14quiescensblarg
22:49.19quiescensinternet is borken ):
22:49.29prencheryou in eqypt?
22:51.35Repo10recruitment (experimental): 03Contiki * r8 recruitment.toc:
22:51.36RepoChanged recruitment.toc to automatically pull the appropriate localization strings from the WoWAce localization database
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23:09.57Repo10weakauras: 03Mirrormn * r84 / (2 files in 1 directory):
23:09.58RepoFixed a bug which prevented Combo Point triggers from properly updating on target change
23:09.59RepoFixed a bug which caused errors when using strings containing apostrophes in some triggers
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23:54.31sylvanaarTorhal: if you have a chance, try my latest beta
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