| 00:00.23 | Fisker | i'm acting surprised Kaelten |
| 00:02.59 | Ingela | aaaaaargh i have an error from an addon that it doesn't say which addon and i've tried enablign/disabling stuff but can't seem to find out which one it is |
| 00:03.03 | Ingela | makes me maaaad |
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| 00:05.25 | syeren | Anyone familiar with .htaccess redirects here who could help me with something quickly >_>? |
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| 00:23.45 | Zhinjio | I'd be interested in some feedback on the most recent version of Broker_Extractor, if anyone has time and is so inclined |
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| 00:49.21 | vhaarr | Graveeater: yes |
| 00:50.17 | sbu | uh Ingela, ping |
| 00:50.27 | Ingela | yes sbu |
| 00:50.50 | Ingela | also you can say Ping-ela |
| 00:50.50 | Ingela | :D |
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| 00:53.09 | sztanpet | @describe Broker_Extractor |
| 00:53.10 | Repo | sztanpet: No project found that matches 'broker_extractor' |
| 00:53.28 | Zhinjio | @describe extractor |
| 00:53.29 | Repo | Zhinjio: http://www.wowace.com/addons/extractor/. Broker_Extractor. LDB data source for herb, ore and skinning node data |
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| 01:26.33 | bluspacecow | nope ! |
| 01:28.00 | bobsmith | o hi :) |
| 01:28.20 | bobsmith | do u know much about lua that you can answer a question? |
| 01:28.27 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 01:28.35 | bluspacecow | pls try #wowuidev |
| 01:28.55 | bobsmith | oh ok, thanks |
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| 06:16.38 | Repo | - fixed an issue where focusing a unit in combat could cause taint in the FocusHealth module |
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| 08:58.11 | Repo | 10skillet: 03yossa * r242 / (4 files in 1 directory): Skillet: |
| 08:58.12 | Repo | - jewelcrafter's setting added |
| 08:58.13 | Repo | - fixed bank/alt counts |
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| 09:12.54 | Adirelle | Kaelten, is there any way to update http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/ to latest client version ? |
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| 09:23.39 | Repo | 10autocombatlogger (experimental): 03talryn1 * r7 AutoCombatLogger.lua: Adding some new raids. |
| 09:23.49 | Zasurus | ~seem acapela |
| 09:24.12 | Zasurus | #seen acapela |
| 09:24.30 | Zasurus | humm |
| 09:26.06 | Zasurus | OK who shot purl? |
| 09:27.06 | mckenziemc | ~seen acapela |
| 09:27.11 | purl | acapela <4721e18f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.33.225.143> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 14h 28m 44s ago, saying: 'alright, will try again later :-)'. |
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| 09:56.29 | the-golem | Cairenn|afk: I like the shiny new interface on wowi |
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| 10:03.02 | harl | wuff! |
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| 10:15.49 | Fisker | it's weird nevcairiel |
| 10:15.54 | Fisker | non-k is more expensive here |
| 10:16.01 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:16.36 | Fisker | and even more weird |
| 10:16.45 | Fisker | Core i5 2300 and up is more expensive than the 2500k |
| 10:16.46 | Fisker | k? |
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| 11:12.47 | p3lim | anyone here know why GetActionCooldown() doesnt return anything above 120? |
| 11:13.01 | p3lim | trying to get cooldown on possessbar, but no success |
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| 11:22.31 | nevcairiel | wfm |
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| 11:38.24 | Fisker | oh nos nevcairiel |
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| 13:52.27 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://paste.wowace.com | http://twitter.com/WowAcecom | http://lua.org | Curse Client v4: http://www.curse.com/client | WoWInterface Minion: http://minion.mmoui.com/ || Happy New Year! |
| 13:53.58 | Fisker | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:54.06 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 13:54.09 | Repo | 10ldb-lagtolerance: 03DerSchreiner 041.0-Beta4 * r11 : Tagging as 1.0-Beta4 |
| 14:07.05 | Repo | 10bigbrother_ready: 03profalbert 07master * v1.0.2-11-ge9f6390 / (14 files in 2 directories): [+7 commits] (3 truncated) |
| 14:07.06 | Repo | e9f6390: add changelog |
| 14:07.07 | Repo | 594eee1: add .gitignore |
| 14:07.08 | Repo | 0435d72: add localisation |
| 14:07.09 | Repo | e076648: make food-buff-check optional |
| 14:09.46 | Repo | 10bigbrother_ready: 03profalbert 07master * v1.0.2-12-g8479fd7 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] properly embed Acelocale |
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| 15:44.32 | phyber | has anyone written a tiny mod to just force the price when you're making an auction to always be "Per Stack". I hate it when it randomly changes to per unit. |
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| 16:22.39 | Repo | dd4dbe3: Cleanup. |
| 16:22.40 | Repo | e3acc85: Restructure. |
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| 16:48.21 | Repo | 10libsidepanels-1-0 (experimental): 03Graveeater 07master * 0f43532 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 16:48.22 | Repo | 0f43532: rename to use Lib: SidePanel instead of LibSidePanel in toc |
| 16:48.23 | Repo | b9a44d4: member call... |
| 16:48.24 | Repo | 23c0a74: forgot ) |
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| 16:53.51 | Graveeater | can someone give me an example how and where to use the @project-version@ substituition? |
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| 16:56.37 | Parnic | "how" is to type @project-version@ somewhere in your source |
| 16:56.51 | Parnic | "where" is up to you. i have displays in my config panel that shows "IceHUD @project-version@" |
| 16:57.04 | Parnic | and when it gets packaged that becomes r818 or v1.2.3, whatever |
| 16:57.13 | Graveeater | can it be used for minor version numbers? |
| 16:57.19 | Graveeater | with libstub? |
| 16:57.27 | sylvanaar | no |
| 16:59.00 | Graveeater | what about @project-date-integer@ ? |
| 17:03.58 | Fisker | Parnic |
| 17:04.00 | Fisker | i'm sick |
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| 17:05.41 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 17:05.43 | Fisker | it's like that |
| 17:05.50 | Fisker | i thought friends helped eachother Parnic :( |
| 17:06.09 | Kaelten | Adirelle: that's be a question for jnwhiteh |
| 17:06.20 | Fisker | hey Kaelten |
| 17:06.33 | Fisker | i see you still haven't fixed that rss bug on the blue tracker |
| 17:06.34 | Fisker | >:3 |
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| 17:34.11 | Gnarfoz | ~kb |
| 17:34.11 | purl | kb is, like, KnowledgeBlue, located at 3007 South West Temple, Suite L, South Salt Lake City, Utah 84115 |
| 17:34.15 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 17:34.16 | Gnarfoz | @kb |
| 17:34.21 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 17:34.44 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 17:34.46 | Gnarfoz | Graveeater: http://kb.wowace.com/repositories/repository-keyword-substitutions/ |
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| 19:05.40 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 19:05.45 | Fisker | i need my maximus iv :< |
| 19:06.02 | nevcairiel | why would you spend 300⬠on a mainboard anyway |
| 19:06.18 | nevcairiel | the whole ROG stuff is just making money for useless features |
| 19:06.27 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:06.36 | Fisker | but it didn't insult my queen |
| 19:07.16 | nevcairiel | it still comes with a ps2 connector, i would be insulted! |
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| 19:07.41 | Fisker | funny thing is if you want an enthuiast board you should've gone with the WS Revolution |
| 19:07.54 | nevcairiel | which? |
| 19:08.01 | Fisker | from Asus |
| 19:08.05 | Fisker | P8P67 WS Revolution |
| 19:08.34 | nevcairiel | oh that |
| 19:08.58 | Fisker | in my opinion anyway |
| 19:09.08 | nevcairiel | i dont even know a price for that one, its not listed anywhere |
| 19:09.12 | nevcairiel | but it sounds expensive |
| 19:09.53 | nevcairiel | I mean, they talk about quadro and tesla cards on the spec page |
| 19:10.02 | nevcairiel | usign those words alone means expensive |
| 19:10.05 | Fisker | i don't think it's more expensive than the ROG |
| 19:11.04 | nevcairiel | I rather got a board without nf200, that lowers the latency to the real pcie lanes, and i probably wont be running sli anyway |
| 19:11.16 | nevcairiel | and dual-sli works fine with 8/8 too, if i ever wanted to |
| 19:12.11 | Fisker | the latency is only noticable if you actually use the extra lanes |
| 19:12.35 | nevcairiel | thats what nvidia wants you to believe! |
| 19:13.40 | Fisker | it simply isn't active until it needs it :P |
| 19:14.02 | nevcairiel | Anyway, i just dont need it, and it costs more money! |
| 19:14.58 | Gagorian | The more expensive mobos just cost a lot for almost no gain |
| 19:15.17 | Fisker | indeed |
| 19:15.48 | Fisker | your motherboard will be basically irrelevant in regards to overclocking |
| 19:15.59 | Fisker | so it's pretty funny that they're selling it on that |
| 19:16.04 | nevcairiel | since you only overclock the raw cpu, yea |
| 19:16.18 | nevcairiel | thats kind of an advantage in the new OC model |
| 19:16.35 | Fisker | you can overclock the baseclock |
| 19:16.42 | Fisker | but it's so ineffecient |
| 19:17.16 | Fisker | as long as your motherboard got a stable power distribution it will murder anything |
| 19:17.17 | nevcairiel | anothing more then like 5% will make PCIe devices unstable |
| 19:17.27 | nevcairiel | they really dont like another base clock |
| 19:17.48 | Gagorian | Some people are claiming the Asus boards can only control the mobo fan outputs by PWM |
| 19:17.56 | Gagorian | Have you heard about it? |
| 19:18.29 | Fisker | nope |
| 19:18.51 | nevcairiel | would that be so bad? i think all the fans i got have pwm :d |
| 19:19.38 | Fisker | it was kind of lulz though |
| 19:19.40 | Gagorian | I don't have a single PWM fan (4-pin) |
| 19:19.45 | Fisker | when they put the 2600k up |
| 19:19.48 | Fisker | there was one in stock |
| 19:19.55 | Fisker | i'm thinking they sold internally first |
| 19:20.01 | nevcairiel | actually, my new CPU fan doesnt have it |
| 19:20.05 | Gagorian | And my old ASUS board controls the voltage of 3 pin fans just fine.. so it'd be pretty lame to downgrade |
| 19:20.09 | nevcairiel | but its like quiet at its full power |
| 19:20.09 | Gagorian | In that perspective |
| 19:20.31 | Gagorian | Yeah I run my CPU fan att full blast as it's quiet |
| 19:20.44 | Gagorian | But when your computer is idling you might as well turn of most the case fans |
| 19:21.11 | Gagorian | So if that's true I might need to get a fan controller for that... |
| 19:21.29 | Gagorian | It's a bit lame to put in 30 euros extra for a simple oversight if it's true |
| 19:22.50 | Gagorian | It might just be that the UEFI bios/ASUS software doesn't allow it but 3rd party utilities will |
| 19:22.51 | nevcairiel | I dunno if my mobo ever controlled case fans |
| 19:23.13 | Gagorian | I use SpeedFan to control my case fans based on CPU/mobo temps |
| 19:23.18 | Fisker | i've never bothered with that |
| 19:23.21 | nevcairiel | the fans that came with the case are actually on those 4-pin ide hookups |
| 19:23.25 | nevcairiel | with a small switch at the back |
| 19:23.29 | nevcairiel | 3 speed settings |
| 19:23.30 | Fisker | case fans have never been loud enough to annoy me |
| 19:23.47 | Gagorian | I sleep in the same room so I prefer to have them off at night, even if the difference isn't that big |
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| 19:25.02 | Fisker | gonna build myself a server for that |
| 19:25.52 | Gagorian | This is the most annoying part of a new build, you've paid for all your components and then you need to wait for them to arrive! |
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| 19:26.19 | nevcairiel | i have had my new case, new hdd and new ram siting here for 2 weeks already! |
| 19:26.23 | Fisker | most annoying part is having the cpu, the memory but no motherboard |
| 19:26.32 | Gagorian | That's what you get for trying to get everything for the minimum price, but the total cost wasn't bad |
| 19:26.37 | nevcairiel | also, my old case has been giving off some weird rattling noise for the last month |
| 19:26.41 | nevcairiel | and i couldnt figure out from what |
| 19:26.51 | nevcairiel | i tried stopping several fans |
| 19:26.55 | nevcairiel | nothing made it stop! |
| 19:27.04 | Gagorian | I got the P8P67 pro for 148 euros, G.Skill 1600MHZ 2x4GB 95 euros and i5-2500K for 211 euros |
| 19:27.20 | Gagorian | 454 euros total, pretty cheap for the upgrade |
| 19:27.28 | nevcairiel | I think it might be the old hdd .. new case has vibration buffers for the hdd :P |
| 19:27.29 | Fisker | yeah |
| 19:28.00 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: I just swapped my 7200 rpm hdd's to 5400 rpm silent ones |
| 19:28.24 | nevcairiel | I have a storage server with wd green drives |
| 19:28.27 | Gagorian | It's useless to have on pure storage disks, since you can use SSD for whatever needs performance |
| 19:28.31 | nevcairiel | but i need some half-decent storage drive in my case |
| 19:28.35 | nevcairiel | which is now a wd black |
| 19:28.45 | Gagorian | I put 2x 2TB Samsung F4 EG's in RAID-1 |
| 19:29.01 | nevcairiel | i have 4x 2tb in raid 5 in that box |
| 19:29.03 | Gagorian | Would've gone 3x 2TB RAID-5 if I had the budget for it |
| 19:29.30 | Gagorian | Well, 2TB is enough for now anyway |
| 19:29.44 | nevcairiel | i'm at around 50% full on my raid now |
| 19:29.49 | nevcairiel | i guess next year i might need to add some drives |
| 19:29.56 | nevcairiel | but i need soem sata controller then :x |
| 19:30.24 | nevcairiel | with next year i mean second half of this year |
| 19:30.45 | Fisker | my nas/htpc/server is going to have 4x2TB |
| 19:31.03 | Fisker | also damn you for making me aware of that 24Hz issue nevcairiel |
| 19:31.25 | nevcairiel | glad to be of service! |
| 19:31.26 | Fisker | that was a jerk move |
| 19:31.32 | nevcairiel | there are software solutions to avoid it |
| 19:31.32 | durcyn | i need to replace my 2tb greens with those new 3tb ones, 13T is not enough |
| 19:31.33 | Gagorian | Fisker: You can speed up media to 24fps with Reclock |
| 19:31.34 | nevcairiel | like, Reclock |
| 19:31.54 | Gagorian | I do that already even if my card supports 23.976hz |
| 19:32.06 | Gagorian | I also slow down PAL to 24fps |
| 19:32.34 | Gagorian | I couldn't get everything to work without it (either tearing or some jerks in playback) |
| 19:33.26 | nevcairiel | I actually speed up everything to 25fps, because my tv has such a high delay on 24p that i cant get stuff in sync |
| 19:33.29 | Fisker | anyway i'm the only one in dkland with a 2600k now! |
| 19:33.48 | nevcairiel | no idea what it does in 24p that it doesnt do when running at 50 or 60hz |
| 19:33.49 | Gagorian | I get my 2500K on wednesday but mobo probably later :( |
| 19:34.12 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: What do you mean by sync? |
| 19:34.16 | Gagorian | Audio-video? |
| 19:34.18 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:34.33 | Gagorian | You can't put in some delay on the amp? |
| 19:34.38 | Gagorian | Or is it variable |
| 19:34.40 | nevcairiel | i can, but not high enough |
| 19:34.51 | nevcairiel | amp only goes up to 100ms |
| 19:34.52 | Gagorian | Ac3filter could probably do that on the pc? |
| 19:34.54 | nevcairiel | i need something like 240 |
| 19:35.05 | nevcairiel | that doesnt work with bitstreaming |
| 19:35.09 | nevcairiel | also, ac3filter is horrible |
| 19:35.31 | nevcairiel | Its perfectly fluid on 25fps, or 60hz |
| 19:35.35 | nevcairiel | I dont see the 3:2 judder |
| 19:35.45 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 19:35.55 | Fisker | think the thermaltake slim3x can handle a 2500k? |
| 19:36.27 | Fisker | specs do say it can handle 75W |
| 19:36.40 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: I scrapped bitstreaming as 5.1 LPCM through HDMI should be just as good |
| 19:36.41 | Fisker | but the 2500k has a 95W TDP :( |
| 19:37.45 | Gnarfoz | ac3filter horrible? lol |
| 19:37.57 | Gnarfoz | also, need a dice roll on 2500k vs. 2600k |
| 19:38.19 | nevcairiel | ac3filter applys drc and loudness equalization, and there is no way to turn it completly off |
| 19:38.20 | Gagorian | Gnarfoz: I went for 2500k, better bang for the buck |
| 19:38.25 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 19:38.34 | Fisker | 2600k is only marginally better |
| 19:38.42 | Fisker | it has hyperthread and a slightly bigger L3 |
| 19:38.44 | nevcairiel | also, what would i need it for :d |
| 19:39.18 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Media speed changes with bitstreaming is a bit problematic |
| 19:39.31 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: wtf, drc and loudness in ac3filter? you're on drugs! (and yes, you might not need it, that's the one reason not to use it :D) |
| 19:39.39 | Gnarfoz | Gagorian: yeah, that's what I'm thinking, too |
| 19:39.53 | Fisker | can't recall if my old DDR3 is 1066 or 1333 |
| 19:40.08 | Fisker | but sandy bridge can take both without fucking up the frequency right? |
| 19:40.19 | Gagorian | yeah, memory multipliers are separate |
| 19:40.20 | nevcairiel | you cant mix-match ram modules |
| 19:40.33 | Fisker | i'm not talking about mixing and matching |
| 19:40.42 | Fisker | i'm building 3 systems |
| 19:40.50 | Fisker | no way in hell i'm paying 4GB modules for all of them :P |
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| 19:41.09 | Fisker | so i'm slapping 2x2GB in my server and 4x2GB in the other |
| 19:41.19 | nevcairiel | then yes, it can run on 1066 modules |
| 19:41.20 | Fisker | since i got 6x2GB DDR3 1066 or 1333 from my i7 |
| 19:41.37 | Fisker | i recycle and shit |
| 19:41.48 | Fisker | i'm an inspiration for the enviroment |
| 19:41.54 | Gagorian | Clearly |
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| 19:42.21 | Fisker | anyway not gonna get cpu's that can overclock when i don't need it :P |
| 19:42.22 | sbu | nevcairiel: still not in DHL tracking, so its going to be tuesday *sad* :p |
| 19:42.33 | Fisker | besides i figure my server can use VT-d and TXT |
| 19:42.37 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Do you have any negative effects of media speed changes with your bitstreaming? |
| 19:42.57 | nevcairiel | i watch at 60hz when bitstreaming |
| 19:43.03 | nevcairiel | so no change |
| 19:43.09 | Gagorian | Ah, yeah ok |
| 19:43.27 | nevcairiel | speed change at bitstreaming will end up horrible |
| 19:43.53 | Gagorian | Yeah, that's why I decode on my computer and use LPCM. I haven't noticed any difference in that |
| 19:44.15 | nevcairiel | as long as you have proper decoders, thats equally good |
| 19:44.28 | Fisker | 2i wonder if i'll get a call from my bank tomorrow asking wtf i'm doing D: |
| 19:44.48 | Fisker | well not tomorrow |
| 19:44.51 | Gagorian | But the only problem I'm having is that some 23.976fps material tears and some don't depending on the vsync setting I use in MPC-HC |
| 19:44.57 | Gagorian | so I have to change the setting based on the media |
| 19:45.02 | Gnarfoz | can I say it once again? |
| 19:45.03 | Gagorian | Either alternative sync on or off |
| 19:45.07 | Gnarfoz | backwards compatibility SUCKS |
| 19:45.30 | Gnarfoz | fuck 24000/1001 fps stuff, why can't they just use 24 |
| 19:45.46 | Gnarfoz | or 60, for that matter (in b4 "soap opera look"/"camcorder look") |
| 19:46.00 | Gnarfoz | fucking NTSC corpses in their closets |
| 19:46.09 | Gagorian | I can get everything to work properly but not with a single setting.. It takes a lot out of the viewing pleasure if you have to fiddle around with settings |
| 19:46.42 | Gnarfoz | "herp derp we don't have enough bandwidth to transmit progressive pictures, let's fuck up TV/movies/media for the next century and use... INTERLACING" |
| 19:46.46 | Gagorian | Windows 7 Aero did prevent all tearing but it's just weird as it occasionally causes noticeable jerks so I can't use it at all |
| 19:46.48 | nevcairiel | I'm kinda happy that i dont notice the judder some people see when using 60hz |
| 19:47.02 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: I see it clearly, it's very distracting :( |
| 19:47.30 | Gagorian | Although I was so used to it before I switched to 24p it didn't bother me |
| 19:47.45 | Gagorian | Now it does! |
| 19:47.58 | nevcairiel | ntsc people are used to it anyway |
| 19:48.01 | nevcairiel | we PAL people arent |
| 19:48.06 | Fisker | damn mobs and gankers |
| 19:48.22 | Fisker | can't irc and do tol barad dailies at the same time |
| 19:49.00 | Gagorian | I don't still get why playing media from your computer to your TV has to be so complicated to work properly |
| 19:49.20 | nevcairiel | I have really not that many problems with it |
| 19:49.48 | Gagorian | Almost all my problems have come from trying to get 24p to work properly |
| 19:50.08 | Gnarfoz | Gagorian: why? I can tell you why: backwards compatibility! :P |
| 19:50.08 | Gagorian | Plus some by shitty ATI default settings |
| 19:50.22 | nevcairiel | ATI has really alot of issues with media playback |
| 19:50.33 | nevcairiel | they always go ahead and "support" all the shiny features |
| 19:50.37 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt work 100% |
| 19:51.02 | Gagorian | Not with default settings, but with a bit of tinkering it usually does |
| 19:51.14 | Gagorian | But that's annoying to have to do |
| 19:51.17 | nevcairiel | Apparently nvidia also craps out for some people, but i've had no bad experiences |
| 19:51.38 | Gagorian | Gnarfoz: Indeed, it has annoyed the shit out of me :) |
| 19:52.08 | nevcairiel | They should ditch 24p altogether and go 48fps |
| 19:52.08 | Gagorian | Gnarfoz: But I can't get used to the soap opera look though |
| 19:52.27 | Fisker | i'm getting so many sandy bridges |
| 19:52.43 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: At least for 3D material that seems like it's needed |
| 19:53.02 | Gagorian | I don't know why but for 3D the 24fps per eye doesn't seem enough |
| 19:53.06 | Gagorian | It's somehow distracting |
| 19:53.21 | Gnarfoz | I still don't know what the 'soap opera look' is supposed to look like - I guess I'm immune? |
| 19:53.26 | nevcairiel | I will not get 3d for home |
| 19:53.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: why stop there? 60fps or bust :D |
| 19:53.35 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Not planning on it either |
| 19:53.53 | Gagorian | Gnarfoz: It's kinda like running the film on fast-forward but moving at regular speed |
| 19:54.06 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: 48 is enough for smooth playback, and some directors are already trying to push for that |
| 19:54.18 | Gnarfoz | "smooth playback" is absolutely relative |
| 19:54.22 | Gnarfoz | (see what I did there?) |
| 19:55.05 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: I'm not sure if 24p monitors support 48fps? |
| 19:55.16 | nevcairiel | most dont |
| 19:55.20 | Gagorian | (err monitors=TVs) |
| 19:55.33 | Gagorian | And 120hz displays wouldn't work for that either |
| 19:55.39 | Gagorian | or you'd have to do 3:2 |
| 19:56.13 | nevcairiel | actually most 120hz tv arent 120hz, unless they are 3D, they only have 120hz internal processing to smooth out playback |
| 19:56.15 | Gagorian | So you'd have to get a monitor with 48hz or 96hz support |
| 19:56.18 | sylvanaar | i love these realid disguised names |
| 19:56.22 | sylvanaar | |Kg9|k000000|k |Ks9|k000000|k |
| 19:56.29 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Yeah I know.. |
| 19:56.40 | Gagorian | What a ripoff |
| 19:57.05 | nevcairiel | also, 120hz is a US thing, here in europe its all 100/200 because of PAL |
| 19:57.07 | Gagorian | And what's more ridiculous is that you'd need a 600hz monitor to be able to play 30fps, 25fps and 24p smoothly |
| 19:58.08 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Well on my part PAL could be scrapped entirely |
| 19:58.13 | Gagorian | I don't watch DVDs |
| 19:58.20 | Gagorian | (mostly) |
| 19:58.42 | nevcairiel | considering that most 25fps content is actually remastered from 24fps with a speed up, it doesnt hurt to slow it down |
| 19:58.53 | Gagorian | Yup |
| 19:58.57 | Gagorian | It's actually better that way |
| 19:59.09 | Gagorian | since you don't get the pitch increase |
| 19:59.10 | nevcairiel | they suck at remastering audio |
| 19:59.27 | nevcairiel | reclock actually can change media speed without pitch changes |
| 20:00.17 | Gagorian | Yeah but not if you bitstream |
| 20:00.45 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 20:01.19 | nevcairiel | it'll just repeat/drop packages |
| 20:01.23 | nevcairiel | which will make sound glitch |
| 20:01.32 | Gagorian | Yeah, sounds horrible |
| 20:03.52 | Gagorian | I haven't still haven't tested how much the pitch correction affects the sound quality |
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| 20:04.07 | Gagorian | But I'm pretty sure it has some side-effects |
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| 20:08.09 | quiescens | dies. |
| 20:08.41 | Groktar | bakes quiescens into a pie |
| 20:08.54 | quiescens | ): |
| 20:12.04 | mckenziemc | mmm beef pot pie |
| 20:12.15 | mckenziemc | 's stomach growls |
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| 20:23.45 | Gnarfoz | Gagorian: pal and ntsc, both, please |
| 20:23.56 | Gnarfoz | and just use sane framerates from there on on |
| 20:24.33 | Gagorian | Too bad it's easier said than done |
| 20:24.55 | Gnarfoz | yeah. fuck backwards compatibility |
| 20:25.03 | Gnarfoz | (I should make that my signature or something) |
| 20:25.32 | Gagorian | I'm not that excited about DisplayPort either |
| 20:25.39 | Gagorian | Wasn't HDMI good enough... |
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| 20:26.05 | Gagorian | (Sigh @ license fees) |
| 20:26.30 | quiescens | they want more control |
| 20:26.52 | crazedfred | Gagorian: I'm told DisplayPort brings better throughput and daisy-chain capability, some HD nerd was saying it's actually a pretty good standard |
| 20:27.13 | crazedfred | Though I'm still as skeptical as you :P |
| 20:27.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I thought DP was good, too, less drawbacks than HDMI |
| 20:28.11 | Fisker | i once license fee'd a Gnarfoz |
| 20:29.00 | crazedfred | Gagorian: asked him again, it also has features like carrying two-way data (USB etc) all over one cable |
| 20:29.10 | Gagorian | Technically DP is indeed rather good, but afaik it's not meant to make HDMI obsolete either |
| 20:29.38 | Gagorian | So now we have two competing standards which is an inconvenience for the consumer mostly |
| 20:29.58 | crazedfred | Just like every cable standard in the history of humanity |
| 20:30.21 | nevcairiel | HDMI can carry an ethernet signal! |
| 20:30.30 | Fisker | yeah i saw that a few days ago |
| 20:30.35 | quiescens | so can ethernet cables |
| 20:30.37 | Gnarfoz | hdmi's primary purpose is to fuck over the consumer |
| 20:30.39 | Gnarfoz | so :F |
| 20:30.53 | nevcairiel | gnarfoz is a bitter person today |
| 20:30.59 | quiescens | isn't everything these days |
| 20:31.10 | Gagorian | Would be too much to ask that with all the co-operation and universal standards these days, they could once on for all decide upon something that's actually convenient for the consumer |
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| 20:31.14 | Gagorian | Obviously |
| 20:32.12 | crazedfred | Wait for Intel to crack LightPeak then demand it be used for everything :P |
| 20:32.36 | Gagorian | But DisplayPort is indeed probably better for PC-environment but I'm pretty sure HDMI will stay as the standard in home teather, TV, consoles and whatnot |
| 20:32.58 | nevcairiel | nvidia doesnt buy in the DP hype though =p |
| 20:33.14 | crazedfred | All I know is that HDMI is on my monitors and TV, meanwhile my GFX card has 2 DVI, 1 HDMI, and 1 DP |
| 20:33.30 | crazedfred | so I'll be using what is available, just like before |
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| 20:33.44 | nevcairiel | My monitors accept anything i throw a tthem, my TV only takes HDMI or DVI |
| 20:34.01 | nevcairiel | but dual-link DVI interfaces are good enough for me on the PC |
| 20:34.08 | crazedfred | Same on monitors, I decided to buy a newer TV though, which has everything except DVI |
| 20:35.06 | Gagorian | HDMI has the same video signal as DVI |
| 20:35.09 | Gagorian | so it's compatible |
| 20:35.11 | crazedfred | ^ |
| 20:35.43 | nevcairiel | yeah, there is even a spec for DVI-Audio, which just noone ever used, which then became used in HDMI |
| 20:35.51 | nevcairiel | HDMI really is just another cable for dvi signals |
| 20:35.53 | Gagorian | DVI will probably be phased out at some point though, since it's basically useless |
| 20:36.12 | crazedfred | hopefully around the time or before VGA dies |
| 20:36.27 | crazedfred | I would be happy with HDMI or DP forever as long as 1 won |
| 20:38.02 | Niv | DP sucks |
| 20:38.18 | nevcairiel | and HDMI blows, your point? :P |
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| 20:38.27 | Niv | I don't mind HDMI |
| 20:38.33 | Niv | and with 1.4 you get a lot of shit in one connection |
| 20:38.40 | Niv | audio pass back, ethernet |
| 20:38.42 | Arrowmaster | but can you use any of it? |
| 20:39.01 | quiescens | blame a random addon and go from there |
| 20:39.05 | Niv | I don't have anything using ethernet over HDMI yet |
| 20:39.11 | Niv | but the rest of the features yes |
| 20:39.19 | Arrowmaster | its not like you can make use of the ability to have 7.1 pcm audio in HDMI with a computer monitor |
| 20:39.23 | nevcairiel | Didnt they want to build HDMI over ethernet as well |
| 20:39.35 | Niv | I don't see how they would have |
| 20:39.39 | Niv | they have the reverse ;) |
| 20:39.49 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: sure you can, just needs some device in between to take the audio off the monitors hands |
| 20:40.09 | mckenziemc | blames quiescens |
| 20:40.11 | Niv | I care about it more for home audio/video than my computer |
| 20:40.18 | Niv | less cables to run == win |
| 20:40.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah some device that is intended for a home theater setup and costs a lot of money |
| 20:40.33 | nevcairiel | a simple hdmi lpcm decoder isnt that expensive |
| 20:40.35 | Niv | yes, things cost money |
| 20:40.41 | nevcairiel | but i dunno when you start calling "a lot" :p |
| 20:40.42 | Niv | :) |
| 20:41.02 | quiescens | ): |
| 20:41.43 | nevcairiel | but before HDMI, all you could get out of your PC was 2.0 PCM or AC3 encoded 5.1, which really isn't all that great |
| 20:41.50 | nevcairiel | (ignoring analog connections) |
| 20:42.56 | Gagorian | Indeed, there was no way of lossless 5.1 |
| 20:42.58 | Niv | my revo pushes audio over HDMI at least |
| 20:43.00 | Gagorian | +for |
| 20:43.02 | Arrowmaster | do nvidia cards have their own audio hardware now? or are they still using a spdif cable from your soundcard like my 275 GTX does? |
| 20:43.17 | nevcairiel | they have had a hdmi sound card on board for ever now |
| 20:43.18 | Niv | the ION chipset does at least |
| 20:43.40 | nevcairiel | even the later 2xx models have it, just the first gen didnt |
| 20:44.02 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: 275 GTX is one of the last 2xx models made |
| 20:44.12 | nevcairiel | maybe your PCB maker was cheap then |
| 20:44.24 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Have you tried any games with the graphics cards HDMI output for 5.1 game sounds? |
| 20:44.34 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:44.41 | Gagorian | Do they work? |
| 20:44.56 | nevcairiel | Of course, its like any multi-channel sound card |