| 00:00.47 | SunTsu | kinect is fun, or at least it would be if I had enough space to move... |
| 00:03.48 | Repo | 10libmapdata-1-0: 03kagaro * r65 library.lua: Fixes for TomTomLight |
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| 00:09.20 | doom0r | NeoTron: bmi options tip only draws down and right, regardless of where the feed is put |
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| 00:25.20 | Repo | Added new function GetContinentFromMap(map) will return the in-game continent index for the given map |
| 00:25.41 | mckenziemc | hmm, i can't edit my own wowace paste |
| 00:25.49 | mckenziemc | and the page says i'm logged in |
| 00:26.30 | Parnic | wowace paste editing is generally broken. always best to just reply to your paste |
| 00:26.54 | Ackis | nothing is ever broken! |
| 00:27.01 | Parnic | everything is permitted |
| 00:28.11 | Repo | 10cooldownicons-revamped: 03xhatix * r30 CIREnv.lua: fixed glow bug - looks now nicer |
| 00:28.17 | Hati | meow |
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| 00:47.27 | Repo | 10shinystats: 03Xiiph * r7 / (27 files in 3 directories): Libs |
| 00:47.28 | Repo | Added option for separator string customization |
| 00:47.29 | Repo | Changes to locale to incorporate new option and make translation slightly easier |
| 00:47.30 | Repo | Being making option tables and prepare to make a simple options GUI ... |
| 00:47.31 | Repo | Added some option strings to enUS locale for translation |
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| 01:00.55 | sylvanaar | http://blizz.pastey.net/143552 =/ |
| 01:01.22 | bluspacecow | that bug ? |
| 01:01.27 | bluspacecow | yeah its kinda random |
| 01:01.54 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1127128208 |
| 01:04.02 | Repo | 10cooldownicons-revamped: 03xhatix 04r31-beta * r31 : Tagging as r31-beta |
| 01:05.04 | Znuff | HAHAHAHA @ Hotfixes |
| 01:05.04 | Znuff | Crafty players again found a way to catch Cataclysm fish. Crafty designers have made this impossible without a Cataclysm key attached to a playerÂ’s account. |
| 01:05.05 | Znuff | =)) |
| 01:06.47 | mckenziemc | if i have Cygwin installed on this windows 7 system and set it up correctly, i could write bash shell scripts to do stuff on my windows file system, right? |
| 01:07.22 | Znuff | mckenziemc, blows cock |
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| 01:08.33 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 01:09.12 | Znuff | You have to reference stuff by their cygwin paths |
| 01:09.20 | Znuff | and that confuses some windows application |
| 01:09.25 | Znuff | Haven't tried it in a while, but it was chaos |
| 01:09.37 | mckenziemc | yeah, but i could use it to sort some files? |
| 01:09.43 | mckenziemc | s/i could/could i |
| 01:09.51 | Znuff | oh, don't need cygin |
| 01:09.51 | doom0r | for tools you install through it, yes, no prob |
| 01:09.53 | Znuff | cygwin |
| 01:10.01 | Znuff | has GnuWin32 |
| 01:10.30 | mckenziemc | i don't know how to use windows' scripting system and i'd rather re-learn bash |
| 01:10.31 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 01:10.35 | mckenziemc | i'll check it out |
| 01:11.11 | mckenziemc | wait, isn't cygwin a fork of that? |
| 01:11.45 | Znuff | no idea |
| 01:12.11 | mckenziemc | oh nvm |
| 01:12.32 | mckenziemc | "Initially, Cygwin was called gnuwin32 (not to be confused with the current GnuWin32 project)" --Wikipedca |
| 01:12.35 | mckenziemc | ia* |
| 01:12.42 | Znuff | jesus, I almost shit my pants o.O |
| 01:12.49 | Xinhuan | what do you want to do? |
| 01:13.03 | Znuff | the community website was saying that I had no game license |
| 01:13.40 | Xinhuan | what do you want to script rather |
| 01:15.31 | mckenziemc | i have muliple sets of pictures that got stuffed together in one file (eg. 01_001.jpg, 01_002.jpg) , i want to write a script or something that looks for any file in the working directory that ends in _###.jpg, make a new folder with that number, and stuff the picture in there |
| 01:16.00 | mckenziemc | 01_002, 02_002, 03_002 etc would all be in the same place but separate from the others |
| 01:16.09 | mckenziemc | actually id want to chop off that suffix |
| 01:16.58 | Znuff | don't need bash for that, tbh |
| 01:17.36 | Xinhuan | did u mean get stuffed in 1 folder |
| 01:17.46 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 01:18.30 | Znuff | what did you mean by* |
| 01:18.40 | Xinhuan | for %d in (*_001.jpg) do move %d \001\%d |
| 01:18.46 | Xinhuan | create the 001 folder first by hand |
| 01:18.56 | Xinhuan | ok that is stupid |
| 01:19.02 | Xinhuan | just do it manually |
| 01:19.11 | Xinhuan | move *_001.jpg 001\%d |
| 01:19.19 | Xinhuan | move *_001.jpg 001\*.* |
| 01:19.23 | Xinhuan | somethinglike that |
| 01:19.31 | Xinhuan | use wildcards appropriately |
| 01:19.35 | Xinhuan | and you'll be fine |
| 01:20.55 | Xinhuan | but i think my first "for" command should work |
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| 01:22.15 | Stanzilla | Bibi: is mmoc being broken in the latest chrome version something you can fix or do we have to wait for the next chrome update? :D |
| 01:22.38 | Znuff | oh, so it's blank for you, too? |
| 01:22.47 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 01:22.56 | Znuff | and you just see that youtube video embedded |
| 01:23.04 | Megalon | chrome 9 runs mmoc in a sandbox |
| 01:23.05 | Znuff | but if you scroll up/down, hell goes loose? |
| 01:23.11 | Megalon | and it so sand boxed in |
| 01:23.14 | Megalon | that you can't even see it |
| 01:23.16 | Parnic | works in chrome 8 |
| 01:23.17 | Megalon | herp derp |
| 01:23.25 | Megalon | chrome 7 works too |
| 01:23.29 | Znuff | why does it run it in a sandbox? |
| 01:23.35 | Parnic | flash |
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| 01:23.44 | Megalon | so you stop destroying my sandcastles Znuff |
| 01:24.04 | Znuff | So why does shit break only on mmochampion? |
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| 01:26.37 | Stanzilla | Znuff: yes |
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| 01:27.16 | Stanzilla | maybe the video is noch properly embedded |
| 01:27.20 | Stanzilla | *not |
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| 01:38.58 | Stanzilla | probably just the hardware acceleration related bugs |
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| 01:44.07 | Nobgul | Can you still use .wav files for sound replacment of blizz sounds? |
| 01:44.19 | Stanzilla | no |
| 01:44.41 | Nobgul | cheers |
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| 01:46.52 | mckenziemc1 | s |
| 01:51.57 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03arith * r3100 Locales (7 files in 1 directory): added SVN keyword |
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| 02:23.59 | arkanes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.59 | arkanes | whats up with that |
| 02:24.12 | Znuff | what patch? |
| 02:24.22 | arkanes | I just downloaded a patch |
| 02:24.28 | Znuff | did you just upgrade to cataclysm? |
| 02:24.32 | arkanes | no |
| 02:24.37 | arkanes | its small, 23mb |
| 02:24.39 | Znuff | I got no patch *shrug* |
| 02:24.44 | Znuff | US or EU? |
| 02:24.48 | arkanes | US |
| 02:24.57 | Znuff | no patch on eu :) |
| 02:25.23 | Znuff | They probably gave Gamon some lasers or stuff |
| 02:25.39 | arkanes | there was something about that now that you mention it |
| 02:25.48 | Znuff | That was 3 days ago |
| 02:25.53 | arkanes | but yeah |
| 02:26.07 | arkanes | those were all hotfixes |
| 02:26.28 | arkanes | you think they would push an emergency off cycle patch just to change metagems before tuesday? |
| 02:26.51 | Znuff | I hope so |
| 02:27.32 | Stanzilla | arkanes: same version number or new? |
| 02:28.00 | arkanes | I forgot to check |
| 02:28.04 | arkanes | !api version |
| 02:28.05 | lua_bot | Documentation for '_VERSION' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-_VERSION |
| 02:28.15 | arkanes | grmph |
| 02:28.25 | arkanes | !api build |
| 02:28.25 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'build': GetBuildInfo, IsDebugBuild |
| 02:28.38 | arkanes | 13329 |
| 02:28.58 | arkanes | and metagem hasn't changed, so it wasnt that |
| 02:30.19 | arkanes | the patch installer says its 4.0.0.1807-4.0.0.2103 |
| 02:30.21 | pompy | "downloading update" from within game when i logged into my account. |
| 02:31.38 | pompy | tools patch |
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| 02:32.07 | Znuff | Is anyone constantly getting that damn "applying non-critical updates" stuff every time they start the launcher? |
| 02:32.11 | Znuff | I seem to get it every day :-/ |
| 02:32.18 | arkanes | let it finish then |
| 02:32.26 | Znuff | I let it finish every day... |
| 02:32.35 | pompy | a blu explained it the otehr day |
| 02:32.37 | mckenziemc | it'll just do it again later |
| 02:32.48 | Znuff | it's kind of annoying |
| 02:32.49 | Znuff | link? |
| 02:32.52 | mckenziemc | that didn't really explain it though |
| 02:32.54 | Repo | 10chat-alerts: 03Torhal 07master * 4.0.3-1.2.7-1-g9c04175 ChatAlerts.lua: [+1 commit] GUILD_OFFICER -> OFFICER for default options. |
| 02:33.18 | arkanes | its repacking the MPQs |
| 02:33.50 | mckenziemc | but why would it do it all the time |
| 02:33.51 | Znuff | And why does it do it every time? :-/ |
| 02:33.56 | arkanes | it doesn't |
| 02:34.08 | Znuff | ...?! |
| 02:34.10 | mckenziemc | yeah it does |
| 02:34.20 | Repo | 10chat-alerts: 03Torhal 044.0.3-1.2.8 * af9cd06 /: [new tag] Tagging new relase. |
| 02:34.31 | mckenziemc | i let it finish and it usualy wants to do it again a few launches later |
| 02:34.37 | Znuff | Same. |
| 02:34.44 | pompy | bashiok said "I'm actually in the process of trying to find out specifically, but, I was under the impression that during this time it's essentially moving around the game files for better performance." |
| 02:35.41 | pompy | Alright, here's the lowdown on the non-critical updates. * It's optimizing game files by moving patched files into the patch cache MPQs. * In addition it will perform some sound file conversions. |
| 02:35.45 | mckenziemc | i'm thinking it's taking data from the normal cache -- not the Data\Cache, but the old one that stores item information when your client sees something new and asks the server for it -- and compacts that into the MPQ or something |
| 02:35.46 | pompy | he sid that also |
| 02:36.19 | Znuff | So, again, why does it do it every time? |
| 02:36.27 | mckenziemc | yeah but that doesn't really explain it, my files were already patched and sound files shouldve been finished |
| 02:37.30 | mckenziemc | it shouldn't be unpacking and deleting old stuff while playing then putting it back together on next restart, so that's why i think it's that item cache |
| 02:38.26 | mckenziemc | since that theoretically changes every session if your client sees new links in trade chat or you see people wearing armor that isn't already cached in your clien |
| 02:38.28 | mckenziemc | t |
| 02:39.11 | Znuff | also, I don't understand why each time I exit the client, it leaves .lock files |
| 02:39.24 | Znuff | OldWorld.MPQ.lock wow-update-oldworld-13154.MPQ.lock wow-update-oldworld-13286.MPQ.lock |
| 02:39.34 | mckenziemc | yeah i don't know about that |
| 02:39.41 | arkanes | no real reason to clean them up |
| 02:39.52 | Znuff | why not? |
| 02:40.00 | arkanes | they don't hurt anything |
| 02:40.02 | Znuff | when the game runs, it creates .lock files for all .mpq's |
| 02:40.11 | Znuff | when it exists, it leaves those 3 behind |
| 02:40.21 | Znuff | Uh |
| 02:40.23 | Znuff | Downloading update. |
| 02:40.28 | Znuff | on EU |
| 02:40.32 | mckenziemc | back in beta a few months ago, the launcher would clean them up, cause if they were left behind it wouldn't change the files, saying they were already being changed |
| 02:40.48 | Znuff | 15.7MB |
| 02:41.16 | Znuff | grat |
| 02:41.21 | Znuff | it broke my launcher |
| 02:41.23 | mckenziemc | although |
| 02:41.31 | arkanes | I think its a little curious that they use lockfiles at all |
| 02:41.41 | arkanes | at least ones that live on the filesystem |
| 02:41.47 | Znuff | "Launcher cannot obtain patching information. Please check your Internet configuration." :-/ |
| 02:42.16 | mckenziemc | i have noticed that even when you've supposedly downloaded 100%, the client doesn't have all the terrain info |
| 02:42.29 | Znuff | Noticed that too |
| 02:42.38 | Znuff | Went to Shattrah, and I got the little green icon |
| 02:43.01 | Znuff | Also, I summoned some friends in Uldum, and they got stuck at the loading screens for like 2 minutes |
| 02:43.35 | mckenziemc | i play on dialup so i can tell if anything starts downloading -- after 4.0.3 i made some flights around northrend and noticed areas without terrain but the NPCs and all were still there, and wow was using up my bandwidth |
| 02:43.58 | Znuff | 12/3 04:40:15.754 Downloading patch http://ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/wow-tools-retail/patch/wow-4.0.0.1807-4.0.0.2103-x86-Win-enUS-tools-component-dl;wow-patch.mpq;0;1 |
| 02:44.05 | Znuff | that was just a few minutes ago |
| 02:44.14 | mckenziemc | logged out and back in and the world wasn't visible and my character was stuck in place till it finished loading and the terrain appeared |
| 02:44.31 | doom0r | check your patchlist var in config.wtf? |
| 02:45.19 | mckenziemc | for? |
| 02:45.45 | Znuff | wait, wut? dial-up? |
| 02:46.06 | Znuff | And you need to wait a week to load the game? o.O |
| 02:46.08 | mckenziemc | can't get anything better where i live >< |
| 02:46.21 | Znuff | how's the latency? o.o |
| 02:46.30 | mckenziemc | i use my grandpa's house to download patches |
| 02:46.30 | arkanes | how the heck do you download 15 gigs of 4.0 updates on dialup |
| 02:46.41 | mckenziemc | ~700 ms when it's not saturated |
| 02:46.47 | mckenziemc | you get used to it >< |
| 02:46.52 | doom0r | ew |
| 02:46.54 | Znuff | 700ms?!? |
| 02:46.59 | arkanes | I used to play with ~500 on a pretty regular basis |
| 02:47.12 | mckenziemc | i don't raid or pvp on it |
| 02:47.13 | Znuff | you start casting a spell, you go grab a coffee, and by the time you're back, spell finishes? |
| 02:47.18 | arkanes | this was on a rogue in molten core, it's not *that* bad |
| 02:47.19 | doom0r | that's even worse than Xinhuan's (provided he still plays on a server as far away) |
| 02:47.32 | arkanes | well, wasn't |
| 02:47.33 | mckenziemc | which is why i have leveled so many characters >< |
| 02:47.44 | arkanes | most specs are more latency sensitive now |
| 02:47.45 | mckenziemc | lol znuff |
| 02:47.53 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 02:47.56 | Znuff | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/975219942 |
| 02:47.58 | Znuff | GREAT |
| 02:48.03 | Xinhuan | i play on 200-500ms for 6 years |
| 02:48.10 | doom0r | ^ |
| 02:48.18 | Xinhuan | i can still put out 27k dps on saurfang fine ;p |
| 02:48.23 | Xinhuan | (or muradin if you're horde) |
| 02:48.30 | arkanes | Znuff: looks like you can just launch directly |
| 02:49.04 | Znuff | yeah, but I like the launcher :( |
| 02:49.10 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: horde does saurfang, too :p |
| 02:49.24 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 02:49.31 | Xinhuan | i confused 3rd fight |
| 02:49.32 | Znuff | There's only one boss, lol :P |
| 02:49.33 | Xinhuan | with 4th |
| 02:49.42 | Znuff | Hmm, never seen it on alliance side. |
| 02:49.51 | Znuff | Is there any stupid 2 minutes long intro? |
| 02:50.01 | arkanes | no :( |
| 02:50.07 | arkanes | the alliance get their long RP thing at the end |
| 02:50.08 | Znuff | Lucky you :-/ |
| 02:50.11 | Megalon | alliance is "lol, saurfang, lats kill" |
| 02:50.21 | Znuff | at the end of what? |
| 02:50.23 | Megalon | horde has to go through saurfangs whole CV |
| 02:50.25 | arkanes | the fight |
| 02:50.30 | Znuff | Oh, what happens? |
| 02:50.36 | Znuff | link youtube or something! :P |
| 02:50.38 | Znuff | Now I'm curious |
| 02:50.46 | arkanes | you can google it your own self |
| 02:51.07 | mckenziemc | lmgtfy.com imr |
| 02:51.10 | mckenziemc | imo |
| 02:51.36 | Megalon | i think tubgirl and goatse have the vids |
| 02:51.55 | Znuff | Hmmm, wait a second |
| 02:51.56 | mckenziemc | ugh, i recently switched from a qwerty keyboard to Dvorak and i keep hitting the wrong keys |
| 02:52.07 | Znuff | Why the f* did we get an enUS patch on EU? o.o |
| 02:52.39 | arkanes | so I'm trying to figure out what the deal is with arcane |
| 02:52.55 | mckenziemc | arcane magic |
| 02:52.57 | Megalon | I'm on eu and i have no patch dl in launcher :x |
| 02:52.58 | mckenziemc | is the deal |
| 02:53.02 | arkanes | it seems to me that there's no situation in pve you'd ever end up using both arcane missles and arcane blast |
| 02:53.03 | Znuff | Megalon, log on :> |
| 02:53.07 | arkanes | I mean barrage |
| 02:53.10 | Megalon | lol |
| 02:53.10 | Znuff | You get the patch when you log on. Not in the launcher. |
| 02:53.14 | Megalon | when did they go back to that system |
| 02:53.15 | Megalon | wtf |
| 02:53.23 | Znuff | No idea, they broke something :-/ |
| 02:53.28 | arkanes | arcane missles and barage :\ |
| 02:53.46 | mckenziemc | luancher worked for me, im in US though |
| 02:53.46 | arkanes | Megalon: they never moved away from that system |
| 02:53.57 | Znuff | think they patched EU with the US patch |
| 02:53.57 | doom0r | you use the first, the second you laugh at? |
| 02:54.22 | Xinhuan | oh i just ran the launcher |
| 02:54.29 | arkanes | is am supposed to do more damage than barrage? |
| 02:54.41 | Xinhuan | it downloaded a new set of tools and is preparing to download a patch (it isn't cos wow is running) |
| 02:54.51 | doom0r | you use ab for dmg, you use am for mana retention |
| 02:54.54 | Znuff | that will break the launcher:> |
| 02:54.56 | Megalon | ah i see |
| 02:55.00 | Megalon | so they fucked up eu |
| 02:55.02 | doom0r | abar is crap |
| 02:55.06 | Megalon | because they are redonkulous idiots |
| 02:55.19 | arkanes | well I'm only level 25 :P |
| 02:55.20 | Xinhuan | right now, in a raid setting there is little reason to use abar |
| 02:55.22 | Torhal | Megalon: Retardiculous. Get it right, |
| 02:55.24 | arkanes | so I use barrage a lot |
| 02:55.36 | Xinhuan | if you did it right, you should have 99.7% of your damage in arcane blast |
| 02:55.41 | arkanes | I'm just trying to figure how the mechanic is supposed to interact with stacking the ab buff |
| 02:55.48 | Xinhuan | the other being the rare missile |
| 02:56.03 | Xinhuan | are u using it to lvl, or raid |
| 02:56.08 | doom0r | blast buff goes away on any arcane dmg cast other than blast |
| 02:56.09 | Xinhuan | oh wait 25 |
| 02:56.12 | Xinhuan | i should read ;p |
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| 02:56.20 | doom0r | yes, at 25, go frost ;x |
| 02:56.39 | Xinhuan | its pretty simple, you ABlast, use AM when it procs, ABar if it doesn't, to reset stacks |
| 02:56.47 | *** join/#wowace mckenziemc (~Mark@dialup-4.246.252.65.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) |
| 02:56.57 | Xinhuan | since you're questing, you will probably never get it to stack to 4 before enemy dies |
| 02:57.22 | mckenziemc | hmm, apparently i pressed a key combo that closes the current window |
| 02:57.32 | Znuff | ctrl+w |
| 02:57.34 | Xinhuan | in what program mckenziemc? |
| 02:57.35 | Znuff | alt+z |
| 02:57.38 | mckenziemc | it wasn't alt f4 but the wowace window closed as i was typing >< |
| 02:57.42 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 02:57.48 | Xinhuan | its probably ctrl-f4 then |
| 02:57.52 | Znuff | or that |
| 02:57.54 | mckenziemc | pidgin |
| 02:58.00 | Xinhuan | or alt-z |
| 02:58.07 | mckenziemc | it must've been ctrl w |
| 02:58.09 | Znuff | most programs report to alt+z or ctrl+w |
| 02:58.15 | Znuff | even IE responds to Ctrl+W :D |
| 02:58.19 | Xinhuan | ctrl-w is common too |
| 02:58.35 | Megalon | or he hit the butterfly key |
| 02:58.47 | doom0r | ~lart Megalon |
| 02:58.47 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if Megalon doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 02:58.53 | mckenziemc | cuz my left hand was around control and my right hand was near the w (bottom right in dvorak) |
| 02:59.10 | Xinhuan | why switch? |
| 02:59.20 | mckenziemc | so now i have to remember what i was gonna say >< |
| 02:59.25 | Jerub | i hated levelling my mage :( |
| 02:59.32 | Znuff | qwerty is really awkward for native english speakers |
| 02:59.33 | mckenziemc | cuz it's faster / easier on the hands |
| 02:59.35 | Jerub | mage is about CC, not doing damage. i never understood that peroperly. |
| 02:59.43 | doom0r | frostbolt, frostbolt, frostbolt, drink |
| 02:59.45 | Znuff | but it's so common that everyone just agrees on using it |
| 02:59.49 | mckenziemc | well it hasn't been scientifically proven |
| 03:00.08 | mckenziemc | it's so common that i agree on not using it :p |
| 03:00.29 | Xinhuan | fact is likely you will never see another dvorak keyboard anywhere else |
| 03:00.44 | Znuff | dvorak is designed for US anyway. so it would be a little to no use to the other people :P |
| 03:01.02 | Znuff | Programming on dvorak must be really weird |
| 03:01.31 | mckenziemc | i started using dvorak a few years ago and got used to it; only switched back because it messes up wow's bindings and i didn't want to do them all |
| 03:01.39 | Megalon | Prgramming on kinect must be REALLY weird |
| 03:01.46 | Megalon | Programming :< |
| 03:01.50 | Jerub | the only reason i've not moved to dvorak is vim. |
| 03:02.02 | Znuff | That must be a pain |
| 03:02.20 | Znuff | :wq must be weird :D |
| 03:02.22 | doom0r | using vim? |
| 03:02.25 | doom0r | ;x |
| 03:02.29 | Znuff | Aren't YOU? :> |
| 03:02.52 | mckenziemc | the keyboard's actually qwerty but it's easy to switch them, and i have an app in my notification area (Win 7) that switches between qwerty and dvorak when i click it or use a hotkey |
| 03:03.12 | Znuff | like alt+shift.. :P |
| 03:03.28 | Megalon | lalt-lshift it is |
| 03:03.34 | Megalon | the best hidden hotkey in all of windows :p |
| 03:04.31 | mckenziemc | about a week ago i popped the keys off it to clean all the hair and dirt out, and figured since the keys are all the same shape i'd rearrange them (i'd tried doing this years ago on a diff keyboard but each row was slanted differently) |
| 03:04.35 | Znuff | I'm too used to qwerty, couldn't ever switc |
| 03:04.47 | Znuff | switch |
| 03:05.24 | mckenziemc | i think that if i get used to it i could train myself to use either |
| 03:05.48 | doom0r | probably |
| 03:05.59 | arkanes | switching regularly is much harder than switching once |
| 03:06.03 | doom0r | it's like playing wow and cs and instantly switching from teh default strafe keys |
| 03:06.15 | Znuff | oh, that's SO annoying |
| 03:06.25 | doom0r | it was at first, but i got used to it |
| 03:06.26 | Znuff | I always use qwes in wow |
| 03:06.28 | mckenziemc | since i'm relearning now, its' kinda funky, but in the past if my brain was in the wrong "mode", it only take me a few typos to get used to the other layout |
| 03:06.31 | Znuff | barely touch a and d |
| 03:06.33 | Megalon | yea, switchin just has a certain time of awkwardness |
| 03:06.49 | arkanes | I use a and d in both |
| 03:07.02 | Znuff | I'm playing on a friend's account right now and he has q and e bound to some other actions |
| 03:07.03 | arkanes | since I rarely move in wow without mouselook down |
| 03:07.14 | mckenziemc | i started working on an addon that swaps all the keybingings, actually |
| 03:07.16 | arkanes | yeah I bind q and e to abilities |
| 03:07.21 | doom0r | i use all 6 in wow, tank positioning with keys keeps you from dying |
| 03:07.21 | Znuff | I've dropped off the flying mount at least 6 times :( |
| 03:07.31 | arkanes | drek'thars wheelchair is kinda awesome |
| 03:07.40 | arkanes | doom0r: wat? |
| 03:07.44 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 03:07.52 | Znuff | qweasd are the default keys for movement in wow |
| 03:07.58 | Znuff | a/d turns left/right |
| 03:08.07 | arkanes | q and e are strafe, yes I know |
| 03:08.13 | Znuff | q/e strafes left-right, unlike most games where a/d are strafe |
| 03:08.24 | Xinhuan | any good player would have long rebinded a/d to strafe and freed up q/e for spells |
| 03:08.29 | doom0r | if you're moving with your keys, selecting mobs/excess abilities with mouse |
| 03:08.29 | arkanes | a and d strafe if you have mouselook held |
| 03:08.46 | Stanzilla | how needs turn left/right |
| 03:08.47 | Stanzilla | srsly |
| 03:08.47 | mckenziemc | i used to have my Mount macro bound to the button on the left side of my mouse for my thumb, but i kept hitting it at the wrong times |
| 03:08.49 | Stanzilla | *who |
| 03:08.51 | doom0r | tanks |
| 03:08.52 | Znuff | Stanzilla, nobody, I guess |
| 03:08.57 | Xinhuan | you still can, using left/right arrow keys |
| 03:09.02 | Stanzilla | ^that |
| 03:09.09 | Xinhuan | if for some reason you only have 1 hand free :P |
| 03:09.09 | doom0r | then you're not near your mouse |
| 03:09.10 | Znuff | I always right click with the mouse and hold to rotate |
| 03:09.16 | Xinhuan | such as holding the phone |
| 03:09.19 | Xinhuan | or otherwise |
| 03:09.27 | doom0r | tab doesn't instantly choose a mob you need |
| 03:09.31 | mckenziemc | i use all six |
| 03:09.31 | Stanzilla | a friend of mine uses q/e to strafe and has spells on a/s/d |
| 03:09.35 | Stanzilla | confuses the hell out of me |
| 03:09.45 | arkanes | tab will choose the mob you need if you're good at pointing yourself |
| 03:09.47 | Znuff | huh, and how does he move backwards? |
| 03:09.54 | Stanzilla | he doesn't |
| 03:09.58 | Znuff | wut? |
| 03:09.59 | Xinhuan | a good pvper doesn't move backwards |
| 03:09.59 | doom0r | arkanes: and you adjust it's settings |
| 03:10.04 | Xinhuan | you look sideways and strafe |
| 03:10.04 | Znuff | he rotates 180°? |
| 03:10.09 | Xinhuan | so your back never faces the enemy |
| 03:10.11 | Znuff | lol, weird people and their pvp :P |
| 03:10.20 | mckenziemc | mouse look most of the time but if i'm moving it to pick a target or an ability i'll use the strafe keys for minor adjustment |
| 03:10.23 | Znuff | PvE people tend to move backwards :D |
| 03:10.23 | arkanes | it's pretty rare to ever need to move backwards |
| 03:10.28 | Xinhuan | you can ask any 2500+ player, they do not backpeddle |
| 03:10.30 | arkanes | I accidentally unbound it once and didn't notice for weeks |
| 03:10.34 | Xinhuan | S is usually a spell |
| 03:10.46 | Jerub | i rarely mouselook. |
| 03:10.49 | Znuff | My original keybindings were set up for laptops |
| 03:10.51 | mckenziemc | lol arkanes |
| 03:10.52 | arkanes | and even then it was only because I hit it on accident and wondered why my map popped up |
| 03:10.55 | Jerub | i'm primarily a pve tank or healer. |
| 03:10.59 | Znuff | I played for 2 years on a touchpad. |
| 03:11.11 | Znuff | Never needed a mouse |
| 03:11.17 | arkanes | Jerub: if you're tanking without mouselooking you're probably not positioning well |
| 03:11.39 | arkanes | like if you're dragging mobs, you should be strafing and jump shotting them |
| 03:11.42 | Znuff | When I moved to a desktop it was kind of weird, because I had to move my keybindings from 5 to 0 on different buttons |
| 03:12.06 | Znuff | with the touchpad I always had my buttons on 1-0 keys |
| 03:12.06 | doom0r | when you have too many mobs and they keep getting back your sides where they can get unmitigated hits off, having backwards helps to drag them close again, example, tanking the 4 sentinels in the beginning of aq |
| 03:12.08 | Jerub | arkanes: shrug. i just walk backwards and go through my rotation. |
| 03:12.20 | arkanes | pssht backwards |
| 03:12.26 | mckenziemc | ugh i hate multitasking |
| 03:12.33 | Znuff | DPS needs to move backwards in alot of cases |
| 03:12.48 | Stanzilla | no? :P |
| 03:12.49 | Znuff | Putricide is a good example where you need to take just a few steps |
| 03:12.51 | Xinhuan | you don't ever need to move backwards - you turn sideways and strafe |
| 03:12.55 | Jerub | i think the only fight i mouse on a lot is kiting oozes on rotface |
| 03:13.08 | doom0r | unless you're a tank, cause you never put your back to any mob ;x |
| 03:13.08 | arkanes | you never *need* to move backwards ever |
| 03:13.16 | Stanzilla | the only case where I allow myself to run backwards is tanking |
| 03:13.24 | doom0r | ^ |
| 03:13.24 | arkanes | on fights with very finicky positioning it can be useful |
| 03:13.25 | Jerub | Znuff: dps should strafe, otherwise they're moving too slow and can't continue their rotation during motion. |
| 03:13.33 | arkanes | like if you're feathering the whirl on icehowl |
| 03:13.34 | Xinhuan | even if you're a tank - unless you have more than 3 or 4 on you, you can still strafe and face the boss |
| 03:13.44 | Znuff | uhm, I also move backwards in PvP when I heal in BGs |
| 03:13.45 | mckenziemc | you never *need* to move out of the fire ever |
| 03:13.48 | doom0r | true, just depends on the fight |
| 03:13.52 | arkanes | mckenziemc: nonsense |
| 03:13.53 | Znuff | retreating slowsly and casting HoTs with my druid |
| 03:13.55 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 03:14.01 | Jerub | oh man. RS |
| 03:14.07 | Jerub | i totally forgot about that shit of a fight. |
| 03:14.14 | Jerub | until right now |
| 03:14.18 | arkanes | mckenziemc: there's no place in pve or pvp where you can't side-strafe to do the same positiong you could with forward/backward movement |
| 03:14.45 | arkanes | although again, the slowness of backwards can be a benefit if you need to be really fiddly |
| 03:14.54 | arkanes | I can only think of 2 fights where you need to be that fiddly |
| 03:15.06 | arkanes | icehowl and KT25 |
| 03:15.12 | mckenziemc | for the record i mouse-turn and strafe |
| 03:15.29 | Xinhuan | i've only ever seen 1 pvp video where backpeddling helps over side strafing, its a rogue stepping out of melee range of a warrior but stay inside charge range |
| 03:15.42 | Znuff | well, I mouse-turn and strafe most of the time, but I do use backwards too |
| 03:16.02 | Znuff | Depends on fight and situation :) |
| 03:16.30 | arkanes | I have been known to move backwards when tanking |
| 03:16.36 | arkanes | its not a "absolutely never" kind of thing |
| 03:16.57 | arkanes | but then I also sit down when tanking sometimes to |
| 03:17.03 | mckenziemc | arkanes: what would you do if you needed to mouseover a friend and move to a spot behind you at the same time |
| 03:17.17 | arkanes | mckenziemc: probably not do it |
| 03:17.23 | arkanes | what sitution would that be? |
| 03:17.31 | Znuff | I never use the mouse to target stuff |
| 03:17.39 | doom0r | taunting off a healer |
| 03:17.53 | mckenziemc | pvp intervene around a corner to get away from an enemy |
| 03:17.59 | Znuff | hmmm |
| 03:18.05 | Jerub | i use the mouse to target stuff all the time. |
| 03:18.09 | Znuff | it's 5 am, I should do some BGs and fix a server in the mean time |
| 03:18.14 | Jerub | more so now that i have a clitmouse on my keyboar. |
| 03:18.16 | Xinhuan | u use macros for that, usually |
| 03:18.20 | arkanes | I very rarely target with my mouse when I'm tanking or dpsing |
| 03:18.26 | Znuff | Anyone noticed that you get queues way way faster in the morning? after 1 am? |
| 03:18.27 | arkanes | obviously I use it all the time when I heal |
| 03:18.28 | Xinhuan | to /target your teammate |
| 03:18.38 | Znuff | arkanes, on raid frames, right? |
| 03:18.39 | arkanes | mckenziemc: I have intervene targets macroed |
| 03:18.41 | arkanes | Znuff: yeah |
| 03:18.44 | mckenziemc | i'll admit it's a very contrived situation |
| 03:18.45 | harl | i never target anything when i heal |
| 03:18.59 | arkanes | Znuff: occasionally in the 3d world because it's faster than finding someone in fire on my raid frames |
| 03:19.01 | Znuff | so you just heal yourself? :P |
| 03:19.03 | mckenziemc | what about bgs |
| 03:19.04 | Jerub | i use tidyplates, neon theme, and i click and taunt when i lose threat. |
| 03:19.13 | Xinhuan | well nobody cares about bgs :P |
| 03:19.15 | harl | no, i heal mouseover |
| 03:19.24 | mckenziemc | where you don't know your teammates' names |
| 03:19.25 | Jerub | i use intervene with clique on my warrior |
| 03:19.25 | Znuff | Ah, I can't do that |
| 03:19.28 | Znuff | hate mouseover stuff :D |
| 03:19.34 | doom0r | i usually target the boss and heal mouseover too |
| 03:19.42 | Znuff | why target the boss? |
| 03:19.43 | arkanes | mckenziemc: in pve if I needed to do that I'd just stop moving and intervene them |
| 03:19.50 | Jerub | Znuff: fight length awareness. |
| 03:19.55 | doom0r | Znuff: lead a raid? |
| 03:19.56 | Znuff | /focus ? |
| 03:20.01 | Jerub | Znuff: i always have the boss healthbar visible in some way |
| 03:20.09 | Znuff | I just /focus the boss |
| 03:20.13 | arkanes | I heal with clique |
| 03:20.17 | Jerub | i use health bars on dbm mostly. |
| 03:20.19 | doom0r | i give focus to something more useful |
| 03:20.26 | Znuff | well, I'm not a healer |
| 03:20.28 | Jerub | i rarely use focus. |
| 03:20.30 | Znuff | not on my main, anyway |
| 03:20.36 | arkanes | but regardless of whether you target or not, when you're healing your mouse isn't available for mouselooking and 3d targetting |
| 03:20.51 | Jerub | arkanes: *nod* |
| 03:20.53 | Znuff | Started to use /focus in fights like Saurfang or Putricide |
| 03:20.56 | mckenziemc | the specific situation i had in mind was fighting in WSG in the alliance tunnel where the path splits between main floor, roof, and tunnel |
| 03:20.57 | Znuff | to keep my DoTs on the targets |
| 03:21.36 | Znuff | it's rather interesting to hear how other people do basic stuff in the game :) opens up your mind |
| 03:21.40 | Jerub | i've been tanking ICC for the last 2 months without DBM. it's been interesting using nothing but the built in raid frames for stuff. |
| 03:21.43 | doom0r | need to find a target/focus swap macro again |
| 03:21.52 | mckenziemc | i miss the old Warbringer : / |
| 03:22.05 | Znuff | Anyone actually using DXE? |
| 03:22.13 | mckenziemc | it was admittedly OP in bgs though |
| 03:22.14 | Znuff | What the hell is wrong with those default sounds? :-/ |
| 03:22.25 | harl | i've used focus maybe 20-30 times, in all the years that is |
| 03:22.38 | doom0r | Znuff: there's a few in here that do |
| 03:22.39 | arkanes | I don't use focus a whole lot |
| 03:22.58 | arkanes | I have a macro that optionally uses focus target for tricks on my rogue |
| 03:23.11 | Znuff | We were forced to use DXE when DBM didn't do the necrotic plague stuff, man it so awkward compared to DBM :-/ |
| 03:23.14 | Xinhuan | i click-cast tricks |
| 03:23.19 | arkanes | and I've got some macros for applying external CDs and/or taunts to my focus target |
| 03:23.52 | arkanes | Xinhuan: I can do that too, but I'm mouselooking most of the time when I DPS and when it's always on the same person there's no reason to move mouse around that much |
| 03:24.39 | mckenziemc | wow |
| 03:24.47 | arkanes | my macro is mouseover(help, exist), focus(help, exist), target(help, exist), targettarget(harm, exist) |
| 03:25.05 | Stanzilla | dxe sounds are the hell |
| 03:25.23 | Znuff | it's like the developer tried to find the most annoying sounds in the whole game :-/ |
| 03:25.29 | Stanzilla | sounds like a baby hitting on those toys r us keyboards |
| 03:25.29 | mckenziemc | my mom's talking to me on pidgin and she used the word "commit" and i immediaitely thought of it in the context of repositories |
| 03:25.45 | arkanes | stupid lying patch notes |
| 03:25.52 | arkanes | they said they fixed the inn in tarren mill :( |
| 03:25.53 | Xinhuan | sounds like you can have a shorter macro if you do a /stopmacro [nohelp][noexist] first |
| 03:26.01 | doom0r | mckenziemc: don't let her talk you into getting married |
| 03:26.11 | Znuff | First time we used DXE as a guild @ LK we wiped because we didn't know what the hell it was going on with the sounds |
| 03:26.17 | Znuff | Everyone was like "wtf is that shit?!" |
| 03:26.35 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 03:26.54 | Xinhuan | i think annoying sounds is pretty key to a warning isn't it? |
| 03:26.56 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 03:27.05 | Znuff | yeah, but we were somewhat amused by them |
| 03:27.16 | Xinhuan | so which do u actually prefer now |
| 03:27.17 | Znuff | sounded like a cheap sci-fi movie |
| 03:27.25 | Znuff | Went back to DBM |
| 03:27.56 | Xinhuan | any particular reason apart from the sounds (which u can change)? |
| 03:28.09 | Znuff | whole guild got used to it, I guess |
| 03:28.23 | Znuff | and because the default setup suits most raiders needs |
| 03:28.27 | harl | prefurs BigWigs |
| 03:28.49 | Jerub | i'm not convinced i need it now that i know all the fights. |
| 03:28.52 | Znuff | first time I used BigWigs, but then with the release of WoTLK it wasn't updated, so I moved to DBM |
| 03:28.56 | Jerub | oh there's *one* place i missed DBM |
| 03:29.06 | doom0r | never used DxE, always used BW, been using dbm lately, just to give it a go through |
| 03:29.07 | Jerub | LDW, knowing when adds were due to spawn |
| 03:29.26 | arkanes | theres a number of things that are really helped by accurate timers |
| 03:29.32 | doom0r | incubator? |
| 03:29.33 | Znuff | Yeah, gets useless once you have content on farm and everyone could win the fight with their eyes closed |
| 03:29.33 | harl | been using BigWigs and DBM side by side for a long time |
| 03:29.38 | arkanes | defile/valks on lich king, infest if you're a healer |
| 03:29.51 | arkanes | ooze on putricide |
| 03:29.59 | Znuff | Oh, what I really loved about DXE was the /range stuff |
| 03:30.06 | Jerub | arkanes: yeah, i have a different view on things as a tank. |
| 03:30.15 | Znuff | it had the wow factor, but it got confusing pretty quick |
| 03:30.16 | Jerub | i do putricide without timers fine as an abom pilot |
| 03:30.19 | arkanes | tanks get to ignore most of the stuff |
| 03:30.24 | arkanes | healers have to care more :P |
| 03:30.37 | arkanes | Znuff: I use hudmap for my range-detection needs |
| 03:30.52 | arkanes | although honestly it makes some stuff easy to the point that it feels like cheating |
| 03:31.01 | harl | there's a glitch with hudmap and my totems |
| 03:31.09 | Znuff | heh, reminds me of that addon |
| 03:31.11 | Znuff | how was it called? |
| 03:31.13 | Znuff | AVR? |
| 03:31.14 | doom0r | everything has range monitors |
| 03:31.15 | arkanes | yes |
| 03:31.18 | arkanes | its very similar to AVR |
| 03:31.23 | Jerub | hudmap? i should look at that. |
| 03:31.26 | arkanes | except without the VR part |
| 03:32.13 | Jerub | did you ever see /qh radar? |
| 03:32.40 | Znuff | Too bad I never really got to use AVR |
| 03:32.45 | Jerub | i get the feeling that zorba and i are the only two people that ever used that. ;) |
| 03:32.49 | harl | tried to use /qh radar, but it slowed my client down too much |
| 03:33.14 | Znuff | oh my god! www.warcraft-gm.com!!! My account is abnormal! |
| 03:33.16 | mckenziemc | xinhuan: for that file thing, i ended up writing a script for the standalone version of lua |
| 03:33.17 | Znuff | stupid scammers |
| 03:33.28 | harl | and it was all like distorted |
| 03:33.43 | mckenziemc | it's awkward but this is probably going to be a recurring issue and i can improve it later |
| 03:34.29 | mckenziemc | well, lua + ls run in cygwin + the lua thing actually creates a .cmd batch file |
| 03:34.47 | mckenziemc | yay for kludges |
| 03:35.20 | doom0r | on that subject, anyone use kde4win? |
| 03:36.11 | Znuff | do you get the DE with it, too? |
| 03:36.20 | Znuff | or just the programs? |
| 03:36.40 | doom0r | far as i can tell, it's up to you, it's completely package based |
| 03:36.57 | doom0r | they have some sort of plasma window thing iirc |
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| 03:37.09 | doom0r | but you can use it like andlinux |
| 03:37.54 | Znuff | uh, what the hell, did they remove Anachronous? |
| 03:38.14 | Znuff | Anachronos* |
| 03:38.26 | doom0r | someone probably killed him or he's moved |
| 03:38.45 | Znuff | Can't kill him |
| 03:38.58 | doom0r | go at war? |
| 03:39.06 | Znuff | no, he despawns @ 20% |
| 03:39.16 | doom0r | well, then ^ |
| 03:39.20 | doom0r | ;x |
| 03:39.26 | Znuff | but he instantly respawns back |
| 03:39.33 | doom0r | negative |
| 03:39.41 | doom0r | he was missing for a while for me a few weeks ago |
| 03:39.47 | Znuff | oh |
| 03:39.49 | Znuff | weird |
| 03:39.54 | doom0r | came back later and he was there |
| 03:39.55 | Znuff | I once kited him to Orgrimmar |
| 03:40.13 | Znuff | me and a paladin, took us an hour |
| 03:41.00 | Xinhuan | ... |
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| 03:41.05 | Znuff | Everyone was like "WTF?!?" in Orgrimmar when they say the huge dragon :D |
| 03:41.44 | Znuff | Too bad I never got to kite the blue dragon in Azshara, what was his name |
| 03:41.51 | doom0r | azuregos |
| 03:41.57 | Znuff | yeah, him |
| 03:42.01 | Znuff | Was too hard :-/ |
| 03:42.10 | doom0r | i've raided him a few times |
| 03:42.19 | doom0r | way back in early vanilla |
| 03:42.24 | Znuff | You could solo him easily in WoTLK |
| 03:42.29 | Znuff | But kiting... that was another part |
| 03:42.40 | Jerub | we had a hunter who loved soloing all the dragons in wotlk. |
| 03:42.47 | Znuff | It did that frost-tomb thingie every now and then |
| 03:42.56 | Znuff | and you died fast if you tried not to hit him too hard :( |
| 03:45.07 | Znuff | world bosses were fun in Vanilla |
| 03:45.30 | Znuff | but meh, the races to kill them were too annoying... forming a raid group only to find him dead because another guild killed him before you |
| 03:45.59 | doom0r | top guilds on our server required recruits to camp their spawns |
| 03:46.05 | Znuff | haha |
| 03:46.12 | Znuff | that must have been fun |
| 03:46.59 | doom0r | sure, people would go and gank them repeatedly so they'd leave and get cut |
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| 03:51.37 | Znuff | I thought they said they fixed the BG issue :-/ |
| 03:51.44 | harl | need to go catch some sleep. gnite |
| 03:53.56 | steev | which bg issue? |
| 03:54.27 | Znuff | you click the enter bg button and you get nothing |
| 03:54.29 | Znuff | you don't get ported |
| 03:54.47 | steev | i've been lucky then, haven't hit that myself :) |
| 03:54.50 | steev | although |
| 03:54.58 | Znuff | Been present since 4.0.1 |
| 03:55.07 | steev | if i tell it to leave the queue, the icon stays on the map and keeps counting |
| 03:55.08 | Znuff | It doesn't happen that often now, but it's still annoying |
| 03:55.22 | Znuff | worked now ^^ |
| 03:55.26 | Repo | 10grid2: 03zhTW * r549 / (2 files in 2 directories): zhTW update |
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| 04:10.52 | doom0r | heh, second char doing hyldnir dailies and getting the mount on second daily |
| 04:12.03 | Znuff | Hyldnir? |
| 04:12.21 | doom0r | ugly blue women in storm peaks |
| 04:12.21 | Znuff | Ah |
| 04:12.24 | Znuff | yeah, I remember |
| 04:12.57 | Torhal | ...in the mountains! |
| 04:15.06 | Znuff | this is the 2nd time in a row the BG port doesn't work |
| 04:15.09 | Znuff | 3rd in total |
| 04:15.11 | Znuff | damn it :( |
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| 04:27.55 | Motig | oh Znuff |
| 04:27.57 | Motig | that bg issue |
| 04:28.00 | Motig | it's so annoying! |
| 04:28.09 | Motig | I've been having lots of issues with it |
| 04:28.15 | Jerub | http://i.imgur.com/zZ3fC.png |
| 04:28.16 | Znuff | yeah, and they said they fixed a few days ago :-/ |
| 04:28.43 | Motig | sometimes it also bugs for me to ap oint where I can't see the scoreboard ingame |
| 04:28.47 | Motig | and I have to wait 2 minuts at the end to leave |
| 04:29.31 | Motig | lol Jerub |
| 04:36.15 | Jerub | ls |
| 04:46.08 | Znuff | Yeah, that happens too |
| 04:46.18 | Znuff | You're stuck in the BG :D |
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| 04:46.23 | doom0r | seems Arcane Missiles! doesn't care if reactive abilities is turned off |
| 04:46.55 | Znuff | Hmmm |
| 04:46.57 | Znuff | #showtooltip Rejuvenation |
| 04:47.01 | Znuff | /cast [@target, help][@targettarget, help]Rejuvenation |
| 04:47.10 | Znuff | how do I modify this so I cast on myself if I have no target? |
| 04:50.33 | Repo | 10smartres2: 03myrroddin * r175 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fixed activeRes nil error |
| 04:50.34 | Repo | Make the options look better, and cleaned up their code too |
| 04:50.35 | Repo | Res bars no longer save to local-cache.txt Read the official forums on how to clear out the entry. Position is now saved to saved variables instead |
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| 04:50.57 | Parnic | wouldn't you just throw an @player on the end? i don't actually know how macros work but "player" is the unit for you |
| 04:51.08 | Znuff | yeah, I figured it right now :) |
| 04:52.43 | doom0r | Parnic: they keep trying arguments til one is valid |
| 04:52.55 | doom0r | so, ya |
| 04:53.13 | Znuff | ^^ |
| 04:53.38 | Znuff | bah, again, bugged out |
| 04:53.46 | Znuff | oh, wait, it took me 20 seconds to be ported, lol |
| 04:54.20 | doom0r | throttle your pr0n d/l |
| 04:57.19 | Znuff | I have 40ms latency and 100mbit fiber connection... |
| 05:01.16 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb 043.5 beta 1 * r135 : (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 05:01.17 | Repo | Tagging as 3.5 beta 1 |
| 05:01.18 | Repo | ProfessionsVault v3.5 beta 1 includes: |
| 05:01.19 | Repo | * NEW FEATURE: Enable save button for tradeskill UIs opened from guild professions window |
| 05:01.20 | Repo | * BUG FIX: Save button occasionally missing |
| 05:06.27 | ckknight | Znuff: stick a [@player] in there |
| 05:06.37 | Parnic | late to the party! |
| 05:06.39 | ckknight | no u |
| 05:06.40 | Znuff | already did :-) |
| 05:06.47 | ckknight | cause there's a party in my pants |
| 05:06.51 | ckknight | I'm totally there right now |
| 05:08.15 | Znuff | I fuckin' hate paladins |
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| 05:11.33 | Znuff | wth |
| 05:11.40 | Znuff | I got desertor and got kicked out?!? |
| 05:11.52 | Znuff | and i was healing?! |
| 05:12.03 | Znuff | also got ported to a GY instead of my normal place |
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| 05:13.24 | ckknight | Znuff: what did you do? |
| 05:13.35 | Znuff | nothing, I was healing people, lol :-/ |
| 05:15.14 | ckknight | and yet you got kicked |
| 05:15.15 | ckknight | hmm |
| 05:15.20 | ckknight | maybe urdoinitrong? |
| 05:15.29 | Znuff | maybe they still have BGs screwed? :-/ |
| 05:15.43 | Znuff | seeing that that "Enter battle" still fails half of the time :-/ |
| 05:17.45 | ckknight | anybody else think the talk of WMD in WoW is funny? |
| 05:19.19 | Znuff | WMD? |
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| 05:19.49 | pompy | weapons of mass destruction |
| 05:20.33 | Znuff | Weapons of Mass Dysfunction |
| 05:20.33 | Znuff | you mean? |
| 05:21.06 | Znuff | only quest I can find :P |
| 05:21.29 | Parnic | pompy: just fyi, i grabbed latest alpha of ARL and it doesn't tell me that my scribe doesn't know glyph of vanish |
| 05:21.51 | doom0r | it vanished? |
| 05:21.53 | pompy | Parnic: check the cataclysm filter ;p |
| 05:21.57 | pompy | its disabled by default |
| 05:22.05 | Parnic | oh...everything else shows up |
| 05:22.11 | Parnic | treant, etc. |
| 05:22.16 | pompy | .. bc they dont have the cata flag |
| 05:22.20 | pompy | i didnt put that there for them yet |
| 05:22.25 | Parnic | alrighty :) |
| 05:22.35 | Parnic | just confused since the glyphs exist w/o cata :) |
| 05:22.45 | pompy | we consider 4.0.1(.3) cata |
| 05:22.49 | pompy | ;) |
| 05:22.53 | Parnic | fail :P |
| 05:23.01 | pompy | Torhal: ^ |
| 05:23.17 | Znuff | meh, Druids Glyphs are still fail :( |
| 05:24.26 | ckknight | Parnic: the shattering (4.0.3a) is the same as playing on an un-upgraded Cata account |
| 05:24.36 | Parnic | right, so....not cata. |
| 05:24.52 | ckknight | Cata without Goblins, Worgen, or 81-85 |
| 05:24.53 | Parnic | 4.0 ~= cata |
| 05:24.54 | ckknight | that's it. |
| 05:25.11 | Parnic | i'm fully aware of what 4.0.3a is and what cata is :P |
| 05:25.14 | Parnic | my point still stands. |
| 05:25.27 | Znuff | 4.0.x is Cata |
| 05:25.31 | pompy | toc 40000 == cata ;p |
| 05:25.33 | Znuff | Just stuff is not unlocked. |
| 05:25.42 | Znuff | Still, you could have explored uldum, hyjal etc. |
| 05:25.46 | Torhal | Parnic: My call. I fail. Forgive me. Or just deal. :D |
| 05:26.28 | Parnic | Torhal: i was simply explaining why i was confused :). you guys can organize it however you wish to |
| 05:26.37 | Parnic | and then it devolved into a cata vs 4.0 discussion |
| 05:26.39 | Parnic | which is silly |
| 05:26.42 | Torhal | Eh, the world shattered, WoW is at 4.0.x |
| 05:26.52 | Torhal | So the new stuff is under the Cata filter |
| 05:27.03 | Parnic | and without cata i can create and use the glyph in question |
| 05:27.05 | Parnic | hence my confusion |
| 05:27.20 | Parnic | but no matter, i got my answer. |
| 05:27.21 | Torhal | Yah, there are new cooking recipes as well which pompy has yet to add |
| 05:27.33 | Parnic | those i can learn but not create/use ;) |
| 05:27.37 | Parnic | so i understand that |
| 05:27.41 | pompy | shh Torhal |
| 05:27.45 | doom0r | those you can't learn |
| 05:27.48 | doom0r | you can buy |
| 05:27.50 | Parnic | i can learn the 450 ones |
| 05:27.55 | Parnic | and i have learned 3 of them so far |
| 05:28.02 | pompy | cooking? |
| 05:28.06 | pompy | theres 11 that require 450 |
| 05:28.09 | pompy | so u can learn those |
| 05:28.28 | doom0r | ya, they were giving errors |
| 05:28.41 | Parnic | right. my rogue knows 3 of the cata cooking recipes so far. no errors for me |
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| 05:35.56 | Znuff | mother...!@# |
| 05:36.03 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 2.0.5-38-g0ec6439 Database/Inscription.lua: [+1 commit] added the CATA flag to a bunch of the new inscription recipes |
| 05:36.10 | Znuff | I got portal for bg, got unqueued automatically and requeued |
| 05:36.11 | Znuff | :-/ |
| 05:37.17 | Znuff | lol, again |
| 05:37.21 | Znuff | blinks |
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| 05:52.23 | Znuff | heh, everyone in the BG is reporting failure with accepting queues |
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| 06:05.09 | Znuff | oh, they fixed launcher |
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| 06:10.08 | Primer | I have a guildy telling me he was "hacked" today...and said that blizzard claimed it was the curse client |
| 06:10.21 | Primer | I'm telling him they fed him a bunch of bullshit |
| 06:10.28 | Jerub | Primer: fucking hell. the number of times i hear that kind of thing. |
| 06:10.35 | Jerub | "don't install addon X from curse it hacked my account" |
| 06:10.38 | Primer | They gained access via his yahoo mail |
| 06:10.52 | Jerub | "you have a virus you dumbshit, run a scanner." "oh, you're right, sorry for telling all of /2 trade lies" |
| 06:10.55 | Primer | and I'm telling him he used some public wireless or something |
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| 06:20.42 | Znuff | it's kind of hard to sniff passwords on a public wireless... |
| 06:20.49 | Znuff | I mean, it's a waste of time for "hackers" to do that. |
| 06:23.30 | Jerub | Znuff: um, totally not the case. |
| 06:23.33 | Jerub | it's trivial |
| 06:24.08 | Znuff | well, I know it's trivial, but it's a waste of time to analyze all packets on a public network, and hope that someone with his laptop comes and logs in |
| 06:25.14 | Jerub | Znuff: i say this with the absolute confidence of someone who does this sort of shit on a regular basis, it's super easy and fun. |
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| 06:25.48 | Znuff | It is. But it's a waste of time. That's my point :) |
| 06:26.01 | doom0r | no, not when you are making a profit from it |
| 06:26.16 | doom0r | why else would they be going after wow accounts? |
| 06:27.11 | Jerub | wow accounts are better than bank accounts because you won't attract the cops attention |
| 06:28.17 | Jerub | it's practically legal, you can receive payments without having to pay intemediaries to launder the transactions, and it's an inconvenience at worst to your victims. |
| 06:32.32 | Znuff | ...and I'm talking from the position of a guy who has 2 penal (not sure how they're called in english) trials coming soon for hacking... |
| 06:34.14 | Znuff | (and before you ask, yeah, it was worth it for $40k in a month) |
| 06:37.48 | Jerub | Znuff: that sounds fine. |
| 06:38.12 | Jerub | Znuff: the point is, hacking blizzard accounts is lucrative and won't get you put on trial. |
| 06:38.26 | Znuff | One of the basic facts is that you want to "gather up" as much as you can as fast as you can. |
| 06:40.00 | selckin | one of the basic facts is i lost all respect for both of you, not that you care |
| 06:42.11 | Znuff | and you are? |
| 06:42.25 | Znuff | ^^ |
| 06:45.27 | Jerub | hm, reading up i realise it looks like i'm claiming to be a bad person. |
| 06:46.06 | Shefki | You guys are making a great case for me to have ops so I can kick your asses out of here. |
| 06:46.25 | Jerub | i'm not. i just work in security + content filtering. i haven't ever hacked a blizzard account, i just know how easy it would be if i were on a network. |
| 06:46.36 | Shefki | Torhal: Wakeup, morons in the channel. |
| 06:46.57 | Shefki | How would it be easy, Blizzard's passwords aren't sent in the clear. |
| 06:47.22 | Jerub | Shefki: take over the gateway, wait for anyone to log into battle.net, which has been cache poisoned. |
| 06:48.00 | Shefki | How do you plan to get someone to type their password into a site that is presenting an invalid certificate? |
| 06:48.22 | Jerub | Shefki: don't provide https sign-in. users don't notice. |
| 06:50.08 | Shefki | So let me get this straight. You're going to wait around for someone to log into the website on an open network. |
| 06:50.19 | Shefki | Something people rarely actually do. |
| 06:50.28 | doom0r | lol |
| 06:50.29 | Shefki | I'd say a good 99% of Blizzard's user base never use the website. |
| 06:50.45 | doom0r | i'd say you're crazy |
| 06:51.05 | Shefki | What would they use the logged in portions of the site for on a regular basis? |
| 06:51.23 | Shefki | The only thing that really is a common thing is the forums and a very tiny population actually posts. |
| 06:51.24 | doom0r | doesn't matter if its on a regular basis |
| 06:51.35 | doom0r | you provide a public network in the right location, it's getting used |
| 06:51.57 | doom0r | Shefki: how many people have bought a pet, mount, gametime from the store? |
| 06:52.00 | Jerub | Shefki: okay, yep, this is a problem, you want users to log into the website. |
| 06:52.06 | doom0r | how many have race/sex/faction changed |
| 06:52.15 | pnorman | Redirect the armory |
| 06:52.15 | Shefki | Who the fuck would be doing shit form the store on an open public wifi in some random place. |
| 06:52.22 | Shefki | You get people to use open wifi away for home. |
| 06:52.25 | Shefki | from* |
| 06:52.29 | Jerub | so you can mitm the login message to say, "if you're having trouble logging in, sign in on the website" and terminate all wow connections after a minute. |
| 06:52.34 | Shefki | Where they have little incentive to actually do the things you need. |
| 06:52.39 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r292 / (13 files in 6 directories): (Message trimmed by 3 lines) |
| 06:52.40 | Repo | *3.02.71 (03-DEC-2010)* |
| 06:52.41 | Repo | * fixed - pet and mount selection menus |
| 06:52.42 | Repo | * fixed - scanning issue where some locations were being unnecessarily scanned multiple times |
| 06:52.43 | Repo | * fixed - issue with internal locations for spellbook and tradeskills |
| 06:52.44 | Jerub | it's all terribly easy to do if you've got the tools. |
| 06:52.44 | doom0r | any idiot that steals bw from an open network so they don't have to pay |
| 06:53.01 | Shefki | doom0r: That's too spread out to be worthwhile. |
| 06:53.31 | Shefki | For the effort setting up a public network to get peoples WoW logins is a bloody waste of time. |
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| 06:53.50 | Shefki | There are far easier ways like phising. |
| 06:54.02 | Shefki | Your potential pool with a public network is tiny. |
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| 06:54.12 | Shefki | Your potential pool with phishing is huge. |
| 06:54.42 | Shefki | It's the same reason there haven't really been any people with authenticators hacked. |
| 06:54.44 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro 043.02.71 * r293 : (Message trimmed by 3 lines) |
| 06:54.45 | Repo | *3.02.71 (03-DEC-2010)* |
| 06:54.45 | Shefki | Sure you COULD do it. |
| 06:54.46 | Repo | * fixed - pet and mount selection menus |
| 06:54.47 | Repo | * fixed - scanning issue where some locations were being unnecessarily scanned multiple times |
| 06:54.48 | Repo | * fixed - issue with internal locations for spellbook and tradeskills |
| 06:54.52 | Shefki | But there are better and easier targets. |
| 06:54.59 | doom0r | while true, the sole puprose if they are setting up a private network, is likely not for just wow accounts |
| 06:55.25 | profalbert | but don't dare to disconnect your authenticator, even for a short time |
| 06:55.45 | doom0r | s/private/public/ |
| 06:56.03 | Shefki | But that's the thing. |
| 06:56.21 | Shefki | The effort for setting up the capture for the wow password wouldn't be worth it becuase you'd rarely actually get one. |
| 06:56.41 | Jerub | Shefki: it is rather far fetched, it really depends on how much yield there is from hacking accounts (which i really don't know, i assume it would be $10+ an account, not $1000+ an account) |
| 06:57.10 | Shefki | I'd bet it's more on the level of $2-5 per account. |
| 06:57.23 | Shefki | CC's sell for $1 |
| 06:57.29 | Shefki | with the CCV |
| 06:57.38 | Jerub | Shefki: honestly don't know. haven't actually researched it. |
| 06:57.44 | doom0r | the thing though, is now with bnet logins, you don't need the wow account |
| 06:57.54 | doom0r | you just try the email accounts with the password they used there |
| 06:58.06 | doom0r | enough morons will use the same |
| 06:58.26 | pnorman | Ya - people don't realize that their email account grants access to just about everything with password recovery |
| 06:59.01 | wink | time to stack up on paranoia |
| 06:59.14 | doom0r | pnorman: even without, said dubious person runs those credentials trying to loging to bnet/wow from some public place |
| 06:59.18 | wink | no more IMAP/S, from now on only mutt over ssh |
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| 06:59.38 | Shefki | wink: IMAPS would be safe. |
| 06:59.39 | pnorman | My email password is unique to my email account |
| 06:59.55 | wink | Shefki: that's easy to say :P |
| 07:00.08 | wink | mutt over ssh with only key-auth |
| 07:00.10 | Shefki | Just as safe as ssh. |
| 07:00.23 | Shefki | Why do you think ssh is more safe than IMAPS. |
| 07:00.27 | Shefki | It depends on the same technology. |
| 07:00.32 | wink | on a host which only allows ssh from another host |
| 07:00.56 | wink | which in turn can only be accessed physically and is locked away |
| 07:01.07 | wink | 30min should be reasonable to read an email |
| 07:02.04 | doom0r | travel for business, when you need email, you need it there and then |
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| 07:02.24 | Shefki | Thus you use an encrypted protocol. |
| 07:02.34 | Znuff | Honestly, you don't even need to "sniff" people's password |
| 07:02.36 | Shefki | And you don't use the non-encrypted protocol ever. |
| 07:02.40 | Znuff | Social Engineering works just fine |
| 07:02.45 | Znuff | People are usually ignorant. |
| 07:02.45 | wink | doom0r: you employ someone to phone to access your email |
| 07:02.46 | Shefki | Email via a mail client is the easiset thing to secure. |
| 07:02.47 | wink | easy! |
| 07:02.55 | Znuff | WoW has a 11mil playerbase |
| 07:03.13 | doom0r | on a cell network? |
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| 07:03.31 | Znuff | maybe 10% of those actually know how to differentiate a social engineering scheme from "the real deal". |
| 07:03.47 | Znuff | It's why still phishing for bank accounts still work. People are dumb enough. |
| 07:03.52 | Shefki | Most people don't need to. Most of the email services do it for you very well. |
| 07:04.17 | Shefki | I don't remember the last time I actually saw a phishing email in my inbox. |
| 07:04.30 | Shefki | But any given day I can open my spam box and find 20. |
| 07:04.33 | Znuff | You probably using Gmail |
| 07:04.52 | Znuff | Or a custom/corporate solution. |
| 07:05.08 | Shefki | Both actually. |
| 07:05.10 | wink | I couldn't ever imagine running without a mailserver run by myself, I'm spoiled |
| 07:05.29 | Znuff | Yahoo! Mail has 273.1 million users as of November 2010. |
| 07:05.42 | doom0r | you consider maintaining a mailserver spoiled? |
| 07:05.47 | doom0r | you should have your head checked |
| 07:05.53 | Znuff | I gave up on having my own mailserver. |
| 07:06.01 | Znuff | Google does it better for my domain. Why bother? |
| 07:06.04 | wink | last time mails didn't work I didn't restart thunderbird but ssh'ed to the box and ran top :P |
| 07:07.00 | Znuff | Mails didn't work? You're not good enough then :P |
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| 07:07.16 | wink | well, a TB restart fixed it |
| 07:07.32 | Shefki | Shit breaks. Unless you've got more than one mail server and time... sooner or later you're going to have a problem. |
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| 07:07.56 | Znuff | That's why I stopped hosting my own e-mail. |
| 07:08.06 | Znuff | Or weird hosting providers email. |
| 07:08.09 | Znuff | They just suck. Period. |
| 07:08.42 | Znuff | Unless you got a good corporate mail server (preferably that you mantain it), shit will break if you host your own domain on your own MXs. |
| 07:09.04 | Znuff | that is, if you don't have unlimited resources of having 2+ servers in different parts of the world :P |
| 07:09.25 | Shefki | Phsyical redundency is overrated. |
| 07:09.29 | wink | hardly needed |
| 07:09.45 | Znuff | The point is that your mail gets bounced if you screw up and you only have 1 server. |
| 07:09.51 | wink | I can get my own mailserver restored from backup in 2h on a new image |
| 07:09.56 | wink | so what? |
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| 07:10.05 | Shefki | Znuff you have 3 days to fix shit before most people bounce anything. |
| 07:10.05 | Znuff | Well, isn't your mail important? |
| 07:10.12 | wink | ^ that |
| 07:10.21 | Shefki | If you can't fix stuff in 3 days then you have serious problems. |
| 07:10.26 | wink | we're 70 people at work |
| 07:10.33 | wink | and one server is still fine |
| 07:10.33 | Znuff | I generaly consider mail to be important, and I like it instant, not delayed :) |
| 07:10.41 | wink | email is overrated for 99% uptime |
| 07:10.45 | Shefki | There is no such thing as instant email. |
| 07:10.48 | wink | even for an IT shop |
| 07:10.54 | Znuff | well, "instant". |
| 07:10.57 | Znuff | You know what I mean. |
| 07:11.07 | Shefki | It's always delayed. Your own server or gmail or anyone else. |
| 07:11.30 | Shefki | Hell even within my own company depending on how I send mail it can take over a minute to actually get there. |
| 07:12.01 | Shefki | And that doesn't even involve the unreliable internet. |
| 07:12.05 | Znuff | 1 minute is good. |
| 07:12.11 | Znuff | 30 is not. |
| 07:12.29 | Znuff | the average server retry is 6 hours, if I remember it corectly |
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| 07:12.40 | Shefki | Seriously I've hosted my own mail for around 13-15 years now. |
| 07:12.50 | Shefki | Znuff: Try 15 minutes. |
| 07:13.34 | Shefki | And despite some outages, I've never been more than 15 minutes behind my email after it came up. |
| 07:14.24 | Znuff | Also, stuff tends to get complicated when you have dumb users using your mail server :-/ |
| 07:14.38 | Shefki | So don't let dumb users use it. |
| 07:14.48 | Znuff | Kind of hard to do it inside a small company :-) |
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| 07:15.23 | Shefki | Honestly, unless you're trying to use Exchange and god help you if you are... |
| 07:15.28 | Shefki | Email is bloody easy to admin these days. |
| 07:16.00 | Znuff | haven't been in touch with that the open source community has in store for spam filters and such |
| 07:16.07 | Znuff | I just remember that 5 years ago it was a pain |
| 07:16.11 | Znuff | Even with SpamAssasin |
| 07:16.15 | Shefki | Yeah well you're 5 years out of date. |
| 07:16.27 | Shefki | Because your'e right it was a pain 5 years ago. |
| 07:16.32 | Shefki | Spam filters have come a long way. |
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| 07:17.03 | Shefki | I can setup a mail server with a debian based distro in about 15 minutes with spam and virus filtering. |
| 07:17.04 | Znuff | I moved stuff to Google Apps as soon as it was available |
| 07:17.11 | Shefki | That requires little in the way of attention. |
| 07:17.31 | Shefki | As long as you keep things up to date there's really not much you have to screw with. |
| 07:17.38 | Znuff | First 3 days my (former)boss was like: "I think there's something wrong with this new service - I don't get any spam" |
| 07:17.58 | Shefki | Gmail is spotty about spam filtering sometimes. |
| 07:18.11 | Shefki | I'll get a bunch of spam for a few days and then nothing for months. |
| 07:20.41 | Znuff | What I hate about hosting my own solution is that, eventually, spam will still slip trough your filters and there will still be false positives. |
| 07:20.56 | Shefki | gmail isn't immune to false positives. |
| 07:21.05 | Znuff | It's not, but it's easy to flag them as not spam |
| 07:21.16 | Znuff | Something that with your own solution is harder to do (for end users) |
| 07:21.34 | Znuff | There's no magical: "go to your spam folder and press <not spam> button" |
| 07:21.54 | Shefki | If you use Exchange and Outlook there is. :P |
| 07:22.23 | Znuff | *if* |
| 07:22.29 | Znuff | but I wouldn't touch that with a 10ft pole |
| 07:23.44 | Znuff | Offloading my customers email to Google Apps was the best move I made. |
| 07:24.02 | Znuff | I explained them what to do and they never bugged me with e-mail problems again :-) |
| 07:24.26 | Shefki | Except when you do have problems with Google apps, google has horrible support. |
| 07:24.37 | Shefki | And there is jack you can do about it. |
| 07:24.39 | Znuff | So far I didn't have issues |
| 07:25.09 | Shefki | As someone who has run into issues using Google Apps... |
| 07:25.14 | Shefki | It's cheap. |
| 07:25.16 | Shefki | It seems great. |
| 07:25.29 | Shefki | But when you have a problem. You might as well not have it. |
| 07:26.08 | Shefki | Gmail is pretty good. |
| 07:26.14 | Shefki | Some of the other stuff from it has issues. |
| 07:26.21 | Shefki | Calendar is notorious for screwy things. |
| 07:26.41 | Shefki | iCal subscribed calendars will pull forever even after you remove them. |
| 07:26.46 | Shefki | They won't show up. |
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| 07:27.03 | Shefki | But Google will pull from that calendar every 6 hours forever after you've added it. |
| 07:27.15 | Shefki | Why they're pulling calendars I deleted, is beyond me. |
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| 07:32.19 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 2.0.5-40-g47cbbe7 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 07:32.20 | Repo | 47cbbe7: More work on adding all the Cataclysm Cooking recipes, everything is commented out other than the ones that require 450 Cooking |
| 07:32.21 | Repo | 66a461e: Added two new vendors: "Shazdar" and "Bario Matalli" |
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| 08:20.35 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 08:20.55 | mckenziemc | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/12/02/2327227/Google-Loses-Street-View-Suit-Forced-To-Pay-1?from=rss |
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| 08:32.34 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 * r88 locale_enUS.lua: |
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| 08:32.39 | Repo | * Made note of the fact that hunter traps are now more potent and should no |
| 08:32.40 | Repo | longer be considered unreliable. |
| 08:34.15 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 044.0.4beta2 * r89 : Tagging as 4.0.4beta2 |
| 08:39.14 | Repo | 10ensidiafails: 03Maat * r248 / (2 files in 1 directory): use latest LibFail-2.0, use correct AceTimer API call |
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| 08:49.56 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r412 TradeskillInfo.lua: Moved the skill level text down a bit. |
| 08:49.57 | Repo | This makes the area a little too crowded, but at least |
| 08:49.58 | Repo | it is not overlapping text in most cases. |
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| 09:01.31 | Megalon | Fisker, http://i.imgur.com/gOYI6.jpg tell me :( |
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| 09:42.46 | Hati | -_- |
| 09:43.04 | Kalroth | qq |
| 09:43.08 | Hati | yeah |
| 09:43.09 | Hati | mega qq |
| 09:43.47 | Hati | GetSpellCooldown("Shield Slam") returns values ~1s after Sword and Board procced |
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| 09:48.57 | Kalroth | I guess they dont want people to time it properly, for macros etc |
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| 09:50.26 | mckenziemc | so if i change the repository type of my project, does the old repo go "poof" into the nether? |
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| 10:18.44 | evl | So where did Blizzard hide all the craftables that were so good in TBC? All professions do now is boost stats. |
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| 10:26.52 | Hati | evl: engineering |
| 10:27.02 | evl | Blacksmithing doesn't make anything |
| 10:27.03 | Hati | or you mean fun items? |
| 10:27.46 | Hati | you can craft 339 stuff |
| 10:27.48 | Hati | ... |
| 10:27.51 | Hati | thats not nothing |
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| 10:35.07 | mckenziemc1 | if i set up SSH keys through wowace so that i could make commits with Mercurial, will that work for my CurseForge projects too? or do i have to set it up again |
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| 10:50.23 | Repo | 10gnomeworks: 03lilsparky * r89 / (6 files in 2 directories): tweaks to inventory tracking |
| 10:53.26 | evl | <3 gnomeworks |
| 10:53.53 | evl | Hati: that came out wrong, it was supposed to say nothing NEW |
| 10:54.14 | evl | As in not the same exact thing with new stats |
| 10:58.49 | Hati | well ... |
| 10:58.58 | Hati | but who actually got something new ? |
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| 11:01.57 | Megalon | Fisker, junka they trollin artosis again with the questions he picks :D |
| 11:02.10 | Megalon | "now a question from saggymidgetbooty" :D:D |
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| 11:03.55 | beerpages | Schaut mal auf www.beerpages.de vorbei, dort könnt ihr eigene Umfragen erstellen - Beispiel: http://www.beerpages.de/view/1K/Was%20sagt%20ihr%20zum%20Thema%20Anal-SEX%3F |
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| 11:04.34 | Hati | ... |
| 11:04.51 | sbu | well dont click then :p |
| 11:05.49 | Hati | i didn't because i can speak german :o |
| 11:06.53 | sbu | no need to understand german to know that you should not click there :p |
| 11:07.33 | selckin | if you can't see thats obvious spam and possibly worse you deserve what you get |
| 11:08.14 | arkanes | I reported it in #freenode, they'll kline the account eventually |
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| 11:24.47 | Repo | 10sell-o-matic-2 (experimental): 03Silmano 04a007 * 097715a /: [new tag, +4 commits] |
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| 11:26.45 | Repo | Fixed an error for realms with a Space in the name (Like "The Maelstrom") |
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| 11:32.37 | Repo | Fix: GetSpellCooldown had "cached" duration/start for ~1s spells like Shield Slam even if their reset-buff procced |
| 11:33.52 | Repo | 10cooldownicons-revamped: 03xhatix 04r33-release * r33 : Tagging as r33-release |
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| 12:12.01 | Repo | A bit of throttling to help with performance which might help a slow down timer allocation. Note that this will NOT fix the AceTimer-3 message for now. Waiting on a response to a ticket about that. |
| 12:12.01 | Repo | Weapon slots always shown in main tooltip now even if nothing selected for the slot. So you can more easily assign weapon buffs. |
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| 12:23.44 | harl | hi |
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| 12:37.24 | harl | my curse client went reddish over night ôO |
| 12:38.46 | Kalroth | did you fisker it |
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| 13:00.53 | Repo | dcafbde: Added Crusade proc on Holy Light. |
| 13:00.57 | Repo | 1fe24e7: Added a list of enrage effects that Tranquilizing Shot, Soothe and Shiv should remove. |
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| 13:13.30 | Repo | * fixed - issue with item age display showing when past the cutoff |
| 13:13.31 | Repo | * fixed - issue with tracking shards for warlocks |
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| 13:15.41 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro 043.02.72 * r295 : *3.02.72 (04-DEC-2010)* |
| 13:15.42 | Repo | * fixed - issue with item age display showing when past the cutoff |
| 13:15.43 | Repo | * fixed - issue with tracking shards for warlocks |
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| 13:31.39 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07master * v1.6-beta-2-20-g4ebf8aa / (4 files in 1 directory): [+5 commits] (1 truncated) |
| 13:31.41 | Repo | 4ebf8aa: Changed how the macro overlay bug is handled. |
| 13:31.41 | Repo | 58c214d: Fixed combo points (ticket #141). |
| 13:31.43 | Repo | 9d2f9c1: Added Crusade proc on Holy Light. |
| 13:31.44 | Repo | 0919963: Have last commit working, and also upgrade profile when switching. |
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| 14:05.14 | sylvanaar_work | Adirelle: i'm liking adibags |
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| 14:05.47 | sylvanaar_work | especially the "new items" feature <3 that |
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| 14:19.07 | harl | something has changed from yesterday. every time i cause damage or loot my game lags.. -.- |
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| 14:30.20 | Slayman | harl: the cake is still a lie though! |
| 14:36.07 | harl | well yeah, obviously. i've disabled all add-ons just to see if it was one of them. of course no lags without add-ons. but now that i've re-enabled exactly the same add-ons as before, there are no lags any more either. |
| 14:36.27 | harl | i'm not what i should think of that.. |
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| 14:46.22 | Slayman | WAAH! there is no batform? my life it ends |
| 14:47.09 | Slayman | what happened to the batform, announced on wowhead an mmoc? all a ruse? |
| 14:47.41 | BWMerlin | Libhealcomm is throwing heaps of error's up, I have checked the libhealcomm thread and the gist I get is that it's no longer support/about to be dropped |
| 14:48.14 | BWMerlin | as far as I can tell pitbull 4 is the only addon that uses it (grid 2 doesnt list it as being required) |
| 14:48.28 | BWMerlin | if I disable libhealcomm is pitbull still going to work? |
| 14:52.01 | Slayman | let me put it this way I use pitbull and I get no errors in my bugsack |
| 14:57.28 | BWMerlin | Slayman: that is not as helpful as you may think it is |
| 14:57.47 | BWMerlin | that doesnt tell me if you are running the alpha, beta or release |
| 14:57.57 | BWMerlin | if you have disabled libhealcomm |
| 14:58.02 | BWMerlin | or anything else |
| 14:58.17 | Ackis | BWMerlin: libhealcomm/wrapper aren't needed in 4.x wWoW |
| 14:58.31 | Ackis | they're only included to compatibility with Chinese wow |
| 14:58.55 | BWMerlin | that is what the thread i read said (wow ace forum) but pitbull 4 is the most likely addon that I have that would of pulled it down |
| 15:04.50 | Fisker | i'm pretty awesome Ackis |
| 15:05.29 | Ackis | no |
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| 15:06.28 | Fisker | yes |
| 15:07.05 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:07.10 | Fisker | jerks haven't sent cataclysm yet |
| 15:07.11 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:07.18 | Ackis | imma jerk |
| 15:07.32 | Fisker | i don't like this Ackis |
| 15:07.45 | Fisker | since it's unlikely they'll be able to deliver by tuesday then |
| 15:08.27 | haste | owned |
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| 15:09.22 | Ackis | oh Parnic you're so funny |
| 15:09.46 | Parnic | i know, right? |
| 15:09.50 | Parnic | why? |
| 15:09.58 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/JvcBb.png |
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| 15:10.11 | Ackis | I'm amused |
| 15:10.18 | Parnic | ah, good |
| 15:10.40 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 15:10.51 | Fisker | Parnic |
| 15:10.52 | Fisker | i like you |
| 15:10.57 | Ackis | I don't think that flow chart checks for "is computer turned on' |
| 15:10.57 | arkanes_ | hey that is nothing at all like the flowchart our help desk uses |
| 15:10.58 | Parnic | Fisker |
| 15:10.59 | Parnic | thanks |
| 15:11.33 | arkanes_ | it doesn't start with "please reboot your computer", for example |
| 15:13.24 | Fisker | Parnic |
| 15:13.33 | Fisker | give trade secrets? |
| 15:14.17 | Parnic | Fisker |
| 15:14.18 | Parnic | no. |
| 15:15.32 | Fisker | Parnic |
| 15:15.33 | Fisker | really? |
| 15:15.42 | Parnic | not really |
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| 15:15.57 | Fisker | Parnic |
| 15:16.01 | Fisker | oh ok give trade secrets then |
| 15:16.09 | Parnic | okay. finkle is einhorn. |
| 15:16.11 | Ackis | he has none |
| 15:16.17 | Ackis | he's too busy playing as tofuboy |
| 15:16.37 | Fisker | sweet |
| 15:21.28 | Slayman | so buying mass netherweave off the AH and selling it as heavy bandages to the vendor is actually yielding profit |
| 15:21.58 | Nobgul | How much profit per? |
| 15:22.17 | BWMerlin | Slayman: i thought they fixed that ages ago via a patch |
| 15:22.32 | Slayman | stupidity can't be fixed |
| 15:22.35 | Nobgul | lol |
| 15:23.54 | Slayman | 2 stacks of NW in the AH 4G20S 1 stack of bandages 6G from the vendor |
| 15:24.35 | Nobgul | wow lol |
| 15:24.50 | Nobgul | a gold profit + per not bad. |
| 15:27.11 | Slayman | yeah I was baffled as Auctionlite told me some ahole put it in for less then the vendor would have payed |
| 15:27.39 | Slayman | netherweave is dirtcheap nowadays |
| 15:29.17 | Slayman | anything less then 15silver per single cloth is money |
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| 15:33.25 | Slayman | now back to swift flight form, is the Bat not in yet? not coming? just a hoax? anyone? |
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| 15:37.02 | Nobgul | err |
| 15:37.08 | Nobgul | Not in yet. I think its part of cata data |
| 15:38.01 | znf_ | Should be in for trolls already |
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| 15:38.11 | kadrahil | catada |
| 15:38.51 | Slayman | well a troll druid transformed into the fugly taurenbird in front of me, and it was NOt the standard flight form |
| 15:39.32 | orgevo_laptop__ | yeah it's funny - almost every druid I see now is a troll, lol |
| 15:39.40 | znf_ | Except tanks! |
| 15:39.40 | ccKep | anyone know how much XP is needed per level from 80 to 85? |
| 15:39.55 | znf_ | Tanks stick with their +5% hp racial |
| 15:40.06 | ccKep | wowwiki list stops at 80 :( |
| 15:40.22 | orgevo_laptop__ | I figure i'll keep mine a tauren and be one of the oddballs, heh |
| 15:40.27 | Slayman | znf_: I'm going troll bear, haste for the threatincrease |
| 15:40.35 | sylvanaar_work | im staying tauren |
| 15:40.55 | sylvanaar_work | im stayin away from da voodoo |
| 15:41.00 | Slayman | and by going I mean leveling one from the ground up, 64 right now |
| 15:41.12 | orgevo_laptop__ | but i'm totally going with a goblin rogue :) |
| 15:41.29 | Slayman | goblin shaman all the way, their totems rock my world |
| 15:41.40 | orgevo_laptop__ | their sneak animation is too funny to miss |
| 15:41.50 | Pericles | anyone here able to help with issue with 502 bad gateway on curseforge.com? |
| 15:42.09 | znf_ | ccKep, wowpedia? |
| 15:43.24 | ccKep | same |
| 15:44.37 | ccKep | think I found the numbers though |
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| 15:46.16 | Yoshimo | why is wow updating its "tools" again when i start the launcher? i know why you patch the game, but a) we did that recently and b) why do we need to update the launcher and related tools? |
| 15:46.51 | Pericles | www.wowpedia.org is new wowwiki - they left the old site and copied it across - all new updates should be on wowpedia.org |
| 15:46.54 | pompy | ?? they released a tools update yestesrday |
| 15:47.35 | BWMerlin | Yoshimo: the launcher scans for virus and key loggers related to wow as well as updates to the bittorrent client |
| 15:48.26 | BWMerlin | Pericles: did wowwiki ppl split (been out of the game 8+months) |
| 15:48.47 | Yoshimo | wasnt it a problem with the hoster and ads? |
| 15:48.49 | znf_ | Pericles, too bad wowpedia doesn't have a catchy name and/or the pagerank wowwiki has |
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| 15:52.44 | Slayman | wowhead is complaining about blocked Ads |
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| 15:53.18 | Slayman | so I tried disabling my adblocken, and then wowhead is a heap of steaming bullshit with flyi- in persistent ads |
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| 15:54.36 | znf_ | persistent ads? |
| 15:54.38 | Fisker | lol Megalon |
| 15:54.42 | znf_ | oh, right, *looks at his adblock* |
| 15:54.45 | Fisker | i like how Kyrix is trying to hide his baneling nest |
| 15:54.59 | Slayman | znf_: following you while you scroll |
| 15:55.36 | znf_ | oh yeah, I had the unfortunate luck to disable adblock one time |
| 15:55.40 | znf_ | thank god I recovered fast |
| 15:56.00 | Megalon | http://asset.soup.io/asset/1278/6520_b8e9.jpeg |
| 15:56.15 | Megalon | Fisker, are you jumping in the air? |
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| 16:15.53 | Slayman | Bibi: you there perhaps? |
| 16:16.12 | Megalon | or at least tell us your speed |
| 16:16.16 | Megalon | derp di herp |
| 16:16.49 | Ackis | Bibi is at my house *wink wink* |
| 16:17.12 | Megalon | french kisses are to be exchanged |
| 16:17.44 | Fisker | no Megalon |
| 16:18.33 | Megalon | are you already spoilered on todays gsl? |
| 16:19.48 | Fisker | no |
| 16:19.59 | Megalon | ok, then I shall do that now |
| 16:20.03 | Slayman | Ackis: I don't think so |
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| 16:24.21 | kadrahil | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large Fisker |
| 16:27.30 | groktar | yay all work in queue finished |
| 16:27.44 | groktar | now need something to do for the next 8 hours... |
| 16:32.55 | sylvanaar_work | me too |
| 16:33.40 | ckknight | kadrahil: was that really appropriate? |
| 16:34.16 | Slayman | well Fisker enjoyed it, that#s for sure |
| 16:37.31 | kadrahil | ckknight: :( |
| 16:38.11 | Fisker | robbie williams has a tramp stamp |
| 16:41.02 | Repo | 10ensidiafails: 03Maat 043.801-BETA-LFr8 * r249 : Tagging with script as 3.801-BETA-LFr8 for LibFail-2.0 r8 |
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| 16:48.20 | Repo | 10cooldownicons-revamped: 03xhatix * r36 icon.lua: range module were kinda bugged ... should be fixed now |
| 16:49.11 | Repo | 10cooldownicons-revamped: 03xhatix 04r37-release * r37 : Tagging as r37-release |
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| 17:02.11 | Yoshimo | can you hide the "hudwarnings" in arathibasin , those big warnings in the middle of the screen "yoshimo has attacked the lumbermill..:" |
| 17:08.21 | znf_ | Yoshimo, the yellow ones? |
| 17:08.38 | Yoshimo | yes |
| 17:08.45 | znf_ | If you find out, let me know |
| 17:09.00 | znf_ | I have no idea where to turn them off and they annoy the hell out of me because they're also in chat |
| 17:09.11 | Yoshimo | i can read it in the normal chat as well, i dont need them as "raidwarning" |
| 17:11.20 | znf_ | If someone knows, let us know =) |
| 17:11.25 | znf_ | They annoy the hell out of me :D |
| 17:15.06 | orgevo_laptop__ | have you tried searching for those strings in the blizzard UI code? |
| 17:18.35 | znf_ | nope |
| 17:19.06 | organized_evolut | that would be the first step i'd take to track down how to hide those warnings |
| 17:19.47 | znf_ | what are .pub files? o.O |
| 17:20.04 | kadrahil | .pube files |
| 17:21.52 | pompy | znf_: not those files.. the framexml |
| 17:21.57 | pompy | ~framexml |
| 17:21.57 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 17:24.35 | pompy | anyone an engineer? |
| 17:28.26 | znf_ | No idea where to look in those files, way too many :-/ |
| 17:28.39 | Pneumatus | globalstrings.lua |
| 17:28.43 | pompy | yeah |
| 17:29.33 | organized_evolut | wow, never heard of find-in-files? |
| 17:29.55 | Megalon | pompy: hm? |
| 17:30.08 | znf_ | kind of hard to do find in files on windows, as the search in win7 is kind of sucky |
| 17:30.13 | znf_ | meh, forgot I have grep on windows |
| 17:30.50 | organized_evolut | i'm sure whatever text editor you're using to write addons has a find-in-files feature |
| 17:31.12 | znf_ | hmm, can't find the BG strings |
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| 17:32.56 | pompy | Megalon: see if you still have "adamantite arrow maker" in your engineering list |
| 17:33.55 | inthedrops | I bloody give up, how the heck do you search the new wow forums? |
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| 17:34.41 | znf_ | use the search feature |
| 17:34.45 | znf_ | it's kind of buggy |
| 17:34.55 | znf_ | the search at the top of the website also includes forum |
| 17:35.14 | pompy | yeah that huge search box.. |
| 17:35.18 | inthedrops | oh, yeha tried that before.....just tried now and it worked....guess maybe it's less buggy than last time I pulled all my hair out |
| 17:36.18 | Megalon | pompy: yes |
| 17:36.46 | pompy | they still didnt fix it.. gg |
| 17:37.38 | Fisker | oh noooooooooo Megalon |
| 17:37.44 | Megalon | oh yes fisker |
| 17:37.46 | Megalon | jinrolled |
| 17:37.51 | Fisker | 00:00:00 / 00:52:50 |
| 17:38.16 | Megalon | oh, so you are already past the part of your video that makes sense |
| 17:38.19 | Megalon | nice to hear :) |
| 17:39.38 | Fisker | ? |
| 17:41.52 | Yoshimo | on my grid flash of light is shown as 8k , but on my shadowed unitframes i see 22k heal, but both seem to rely on the blizzardapi for incoming heals, what could that be? |
| 17:42.28 | renchap | win 49 |
| 17:45.20 | znf_ | inthedrops, a |
| 17:45.23 | znf_ | erm |
| 17:45.29 | znf_ | inthedrops, http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/970449 |
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| 17:47.00 | inthedrops | sweet! keywords like author: that's exactly what I was after, thanks znf |
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| 17:49.16 | Repo | 10chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.3.1-1-gdaee242 Modules/MoveButtons.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed the Lock button in the Move Buttons module (I furgetted to return). |
| 17:50.04 | Fisker | Megalon |
| 17:50.21 | Fisker | why would i want to watch a 20 minute game just to have a rematch? |
| 17:50.53 | arkanes_ | Yoshimo: I dunno, but grid is clearly wrong |
| 17:51.11 | arkanes_ | Yoshimo: that sounds very much like grid might *not* be using the blizzard api |
| 17:51.45 | Yoshimo | no, grid says: im using blizzard numbers, dont blame me |
| 17:51.55 | arkanes_ | its probably lying |
| 17:52.25 | inthedrops | it was my understanding that Blizz's healing prediction is very buggy. But I don't play healer so now idea how buggy. 8k to 22k is quite the range |
| 17:52.27 | arkanes_ | check if its accurate for divine light |
| 17:52.35 | arkanes_ | and then if it is, check holy light |
| 17:52.57 | arkanes_ | if holy light + flash are wrong but DL is accurate, then some old pre-4.0 prediction code is probably getting involved |
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| 18:05.45 | lc0452795 | Hey everyone |
| 18:05.47 | lc0452795 | Can anyone help me |
| 18:05.53 | Parnic | ~asktoask |
| 18:05.53 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 18:06.17 | mckenziemc | uh oh |
| 18:06.31 | mckenziemc | looks like blizz broke my WoW setup |
| 18:07.34 | mckenziemc | "ERROR - too many characters" on the login screen |
| 18:08.13 | Megalon | then login and delete some |
| 18:08.13 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * 1.2.0b-2-gc681ed0 Libs/LibInstanceLootData-1.0/data.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 18:08.14 | Repo | c681ed0: now have proper Deadmines info from wowhead |
| 18:08.15 | Repo | 605ed98: test miner run |
| 18:08.17 | Megalon | herpderp |
| 18:08.32 | mckenziemc | i have two accounts with total of more then 10 characters on one server, and i use symbolic links to link both accounts to the same WTF folder |
| 18:08.54 | mckenziemc | it's worked fine till now |
| 18:10.47 | lc0452795 | oh ok |
| 18:10.47 | lc0452795 | lol |
| 18:11.28 | lc0452795 | Well I am trying to make this addon, and I have made something that stores the a certain text into a variable.. Is there a way to make a button that copy pastes the String inside the variable? |
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| 18:14.00 | Harvan | Hi guys. Seem to have a basic Lua problem: I'm trying to find the size of a table, and the # operator keeps giving me 0 on tables I know are bigger than that. |
| 18:14.13 | Harvan | Example: /script local x = { ["hi"] = { ["one"] = true, ["two"] = false, ["three"] = "why?" }, ["bye"] = "whatever" }; print(#(x["hi"])); |
| 18:14.18 | Slayman | It just dawned on me |
| 18:14.23 | Baps | harvan: is element at index 1 nil? |
| 18:14.24 | Slayman | I have no friends! |
| 18:14.33 | mckenziemc | harvan: # only works for consecutive numeric elements |
| 18:14.52 | Harvan | Okay. How do I determine the number of elements in a non-numeric table, then? |
| 18:14.56 | Harvan | Do I have to iterate over it? |
| 18:15.03 | ccKep | anyone else having issues with grid going diagonal after reloadui? :o |
| 18:15.04 | mckenziemc | # { 1="aoeu", 2="asontehu", 5="asth"} would return 2 |
| 18:15.28 | mckenziemc | harvan: yes |
| 18:15.42 | Harvan | Seems inefficient. :P Okay, I'll write that up then. |
| 18:15.58 | Harvan | Thanks. |
| 18:17.01 | Harvan | And is there a convenient way to determine if a value is a table? |
| 18:17.20 | mckenziemc | type(value) == "table" |
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| 18:17.55 | Shirik | mckenziemc: You don't know that |
| 18:17.55 | Harvan | Does type(value) == "number" work as well? (Not for tables - that's for an isNumeric() function) |
| 18:18.06 | Shirik | Your example could also return 5 |
| 18:18.50 | mckenziemc | yeah, iirc this is everything type can return: "nil", "number", "string", "function", "thread", "table", "userdata" |
| 18:19.07 | Harvan | Okay, cool. :) |
| 18:19.24 | Harvan | I saw an example using type(tonumber(a)) == "number" |
| 18:19.37 | Harvan | It seemed a little unnecessarily complicated. |
| 18:19.41 | Shirik | That sounds like an awful way to do tonumber(a) ~= nil |
| 18:20.08 | Adirelle | hrm, changing your gnome desktop theme feels like you upgraded your distro :p |
| 18:20.11 | mckenziemc | yeah, shirik's is the good way :p |
| 18:20.21 | Harvan | (Still, seems like Lua makes a lot of simple things much more difficult. Things that are so easy in C, C#, Java, etc...) |
| 18:20.33 | Shirik | No, it's just different |
| 18:20.41 | mckenziemc | tonumber can return nil if it couldn't convert the argument |
| 18:20.47 | Shirik | There are a lot of things in Lua that are much simpler than other languages |
| 18:20.52 | Harvan | I know. |
| 18:21.05 | Harvan | It does complex things very well. |
| 18:21.06 | znf_ | uh |
| 18:21.11 | mckenziemc | well sorta, not having strict typing can be an annoyance sometimes xD |
| 18:21.20 | znf_ | Free Asphalt GT and Dungeon Hunter HD for Android Phones, from Gameloft |
| 18:21.42 | Harvan | I'm just saying that some really simple things, like x = (int) y, are non-intuitive in Lua. (x = math.floor(y)) |
| 18:21.53 | Shirik | That's because you should never do it in the first place |
| 18:21.54 | mckenziemc | true |
| 18:22.07 | Harvan | Why wouldn't I want to convert a float to an int? |
| 18:22.28 | Shirik | (1) Because ints don't exist in Lua, and (2) because you should not type cast to do some kind of rounding |
| 18:22.29 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 04v1.2.1 * dec1b06 /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.2.1 |
| 18:22.49 | Shirik | C also has a "floor" which operates correctly |
| 18:22.57 | Harvan | Yes, I'm aware of that. |
| 18:23.16 | mckenziemc | btw, http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html is a great reference for lua |
| 18:23.16 | Harvan | Meh, didn't really want to start an argument about language superiority. It was just a simple gripe. :) |
| 18:23.27 | lc0452795 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.11 | mckenziemc | you want the button to copy the string -out- of the variable, right? |
| 18:24.26 | Harvan | To the clipboard? |
| 18:24.48 | mckenziemc | well i assume he meant onto the button, as its label |
| 18:24.52 | znf_ | How the fuck do they get the WSG Alliance Battlemaster in Orgrimmar? |
| 18:25.18 | mckenziemc | shrug znf_ |
| 18:25.26 | lc0452795 | yea |
| 18:25.36 | lc0452795 | to the clipboard |
| 18:25.36 | mckenziemc | ah i have to type out the full thing >< |
| 18:25.36 | znf_ | It's the 2nd time tonight I died on my banker |
| 18:25.47 | lc0452795 | I wanted to store it into the clipboard so it can be pasted somewhere |
| 18:25.48 | znf_ | they manage to bring Su'ura in Orgrimmar :-/ |
| 18:25.49 | Harvan | Okay. Click button, copy variable contents to clipboard. |
| 18:25.57 | znf_ | he's assraping everyone, lol |
| 18:25.58 | lc0452795 | yea that |
| 18:26.01 | lc0452795 | How do i do it? |
| 18:26.05 | Harvan | Not sure how to do that - does the API give you access to the clipboard? |
| 18:26.12 | mckenziemc | idk :p |
| 18:26.18 | Baps | there's a way, prat does it |
| 18:26.31 | Harvan | Blizzard is really restrictive about such things - never tried using the clipboard within the API. |
| 18:26.32 | lc0452795 | Well I don't know if the APi gives you access to the clipboard |
| 18:26.34 | lc0452795 | I hope |
| 18:26.35 | mckenziemc | s/:p/:/ |
| 18:26.37 | lc0452795 | I'll try to look it up |
| 18:27.01 | Harvan | Then again, addons like Swatter can copy/paste. |
| 18:27.06 | mckenziemc | i thought prat just opened a little window and you had to press ctrl-c yourself |
| 18:27.09 | lc0452795 | What does Swatter do? |
| 18:27.16 | mckenziemc | catches lua errors |
| 18:27.18 | Harvan | Swatter's just a bug-catcher. Comes with some other addons. |
| 18:27.24 | Baps | now that I think about it, I believe that's tro mckenz |
| 18:27.24 | znf_ | Auctioneer |
| 18:27.25 | Baps | true |
| 18:27.32 | lc0452795 | mhm |
| 18:27.40 | sylvanaar_work | the clipboard is managed by windows, there is no api into it |
| 18:27.58 | znf_ | WTF, I still have a ban on the forum. How can they ban you for 3 days on the forum, but 1 day in game?! |
| 18:28.01 | lc0452795 | damn |
| 18:28.07 | sylvanaar_work | or by the OS excuse me |
| 18:28.07 | lc0452795 | Then how do I put the text into a seperate window? |
| 18:28.18 | lc0452795 | Is there a way to put the text or show it into a seperate window? |
| 18:28.20 | sylvanaar_work | you copy it there |
| 18:28.22 | lc0452795 | so i can select it |
| 18:28.22 | Harvan | Hmm... no, Swatter can't do copy/paste itself. |
| 18:28.25 | mckenziemc | so then his button would have to pop open a textbox so the user would copy it |
| 18:28.34 | Harvan | It makes you select and use Ctrl-C. |
| 18:28.35 | lc0452795 | yea |
| 18:28.37 | lc0452795 | that |
| 18:28.39 | lc0452795 | Exactly, Harvan |
| 18:28.39 | sylvanaar_work | thats different than the clipboartd |
| 18:29.04 | mckenziemc | lc0452795: you want to copy it outside of the game right? not just to another wow window? |
| 18:29.08 | Harvan | Well, if that's all you want it to do, then you just need a textbox. |
| 18:29.12 | lc0452795 | outside the game |
| 18:29.23 | lc0452795 | Just copy at and use control+v wherever i can put text |
| 18:29.24 | arkanes_ | if blizzard permitted direct clipboard access you could use it as a communication channe |
| 18:29.27 | sylvanaar_work | you just open up a big edit box on a frame |
| 18:29.28 | arkanes_ | which is why they don't |
| 18:29.28 | Harvan | If you want a button to do the copy for you, I don't think you can do that. |
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| 18:29.55 | arkanes_ | the best you can do is what the various chat addons do, bring up an edit box with the text pre-selected so they can hit ctrl-c |
| 18:29.58 | lc0452795 | Okay so if that doesn't work, how can i make the text pop up into a seperate window so i can select it and use control + c |
| 18:30.00 | sylvanaar_work | i have used the clipboard before along with a windows program that scans it |
| 18:30.20 | znf_ | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/120650/WoWScrnShot_120310_202927.jpg |
| 18:30.21 | znf_ | :-/ |
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| 18:30.30 | sylvanaar_work | you had to copy in-game, then wait for the windows program to process the text, then paste the result |
| 18:30.31 | arkanes_ | there was a brief period during vanilla where PlaySound was accepting URLs |
| 18:30.33 | arkanes_ | that was pretty neat |
| 18:31.03 | arkanes_ | sylvanaar_work: I bet they stopped using windows default paste messages |
| 18:31.08 | sylvanaar_work | nope |
| 18:31.11 | arkanes_ | sylvanaar_work: and of course thats the sort of thing the warden looks for |
| 18:32.15 | sylvanaar_work | it might, then again, its the same as copying alt tabbing and pasting |
| 18:32.51 | arkanes_ | not entirely |
| 18:33.27 | arkanes_ | I can think of some ways you could attempt to detect proggramatic pasting |
| 18:33.38 | sylvanaar_work | its not programatic pasting |
| 18:33.43 | sylvanaar_work | you still have to press the keys |
| 18:33.44 | arkanes_ | well, some easy ones to just prevent it entirely, and some more complicated ways to detect workarounds |
| 18:34.01 | arkanes_ | oh, I misunderstood what you said it was doing |
| 18:34.17 | arkanes_ | yes, if it only interacts with the clipboard thats different |
| 18:34.45 | arkanes_ | I could still think of some ways it might try to flag that |
| 18:36.17 | sylvanaar_work | basically, you copied text, waited for a beep, then pasted the result. just skipped the alt-tab part |
| 18:36.40 | Harvan | Dumb question: x = x + 1, or x++? |
| 18:36.57 | arkanes_ | many many moons ago I used autohotkey to automate fishing |
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| 18:37.24 | mckenziemc | harvan: the first |
| 18:37.31 | sylvanaar_work | me too |
| 18:37.35 | Harvan | Okay. |
| 18:37.53 | znf_ | Harvan, add extra + for +1 |
| 18:37.54 | znf_ | ! |
| 18:38.04 | znf_ | (joking, ofcourse) |
| 18:38.42 | Slayman | mmmh how do you use mangle, lacerate, pulverize while tanking? |
| 18:38.44 | mckenziemc | x -= x++--++++-- |
| 18:39.26 | dafire | hi |
| 18:39.38 | arkanes_ | Slayman: all the time? |
| 18:39.41 | arkanes_ | Slayman: what else would you use |
| 18:39.45 | Megalon | weird way to do x = 1 mckenziemc :p |
| 18:39.54 | dafire | for all you mac user.. there is a very promising looking git client on the way: http://www.git-tower.com/ |
| 18:40.09 | arkanes_ | git works fine on macs :\ |
| 18:40.38 | dafire | it's more a git gui :) |
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| 18:41.13 | arkanes_ | well I figured :P |
| 18:41.15 | Slayman | arkanes_: come on, I meant : what's your rotation on trash in rnd dungeons with these spells? do I lacerate each of the mobs once? do I spam the Swipe instead? |
| 18:41.39 | arkanes_ | well it wasn't clear that you meant aoe |
| 18:41.45 | arkanes_ | bear aoe is weak atm |
| 18:42.05 | arkanes_ | keep swipe on cooldown, spam glyphed mail, tab-target lacerate |
| 18:42.17 | arkanes_ | *maul |
| 18:44.09 | Harvan | One more question. |
| 18:45.26 | Harvan | Instead of declaring functions that are directly part of my addon (function MyAddon:myFunction()), can I declare "local" functions, similar to local variables? |
| 18:45.26 | mckenziemc | Megalon: it's not 1. It's "Error: '=' expected near '-'" |
| 18:45.39 | Harvan | local function myFunction() ... end |
| 18:46.25 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 18:46.26 | Slayman | pretty much like before just add lacerates while mangle is on CD, does mangle do more threat than lacerate and pulverize? or less then pulv= |
| 18:46.26 | Harvan | then elsewhere, I can just call myFunction() within my addon, but not have that function interfere with functions defined in other addons? |
| 18:47.19 | dafire | yes |
| 18:48.17 | arkanes_ | Slayman: stack lacerate, burn it with pulverize, stack it again, maul on cd with mangle as filler |
| 18:48.51 | mckenziemc | if you bundle your functions inside MyAddon, other addons shouldn't be messing with your functions |
| 18:49.05 | arkanes_ | Slayman: but thats just me and I'm probably not very good at bear |
| 18:49.08 | mckenziemc | if they do it's their problem |
| 18:49.30 | arkanes_ | Harvan: those do different things |
| 18:50.00 | arkanes_ | Harvan: there's no real reason not to keep everything in your addon table |
| 18:50.40 | Slayman | arkanes_: you have my thanks! maybe I need to go to EJ to check it out in detail though |
| 18:50.41 | mckenziemc | well, a more strict encapsulation, but i think it's best just to put it in the table |
| 18:51.11 | Harvan | Well, for instance, I want a function to get me the size of a table. |
| 18:51.26 | Gagorian | with numeric indexes or not? |
| 18:51.27 | Harvan | And I don't necessarily want to have to use self:tableSize(x) every time I want to call it. |
| 18:51.37 | Harvan | Without numeric indices. Already went over that. |
| 18:51.43 | mckenziemc | definitely makes in-game debugging easier when they're not file locals |
| 18:52.05 | arkanes_ | Slayman: I can't remember if procced free mangles > mauls but I think not assuming you're in an unlimited rage situation |
| 18:52.22 | mckenziemc | that would be ok to put in a local |
| 18:52.31 | Harvan | Yeah, that's what I was talking about. |
| 18:52.42 | Harvan | Functions that are actually addon-related are in the addon table. |
| 18:53.00 | Gagorian | local boo = function(x) ... end |
| 18:53.09 | Gagorian | boo(size) |
| 18:53.24 | Harvan | I just meant that utility functions to do simple things, like SafeString (returns "nil" when a value is nil), would be handy with simpler syntax. |
| 18:53.26 | Harvan | Okay, thanks. |
| 18:54.02 | Gagorian | obviously in that case you need to do that in your file before you call the function |
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| 18:54.11 | Harvan | Yup |
| 18:54.38 | Harvan | And yeah, for non-numeric index tables, I'm doing: |
| 18:54.39 | Harvan | for key,value in pairs(a) do |
| 18:54.39 | Harvan | count = count + 1; |
| 18:54.39 | Harvan | end |
| 18:54.39 | arkanes_ | Harvan: I'd still put it in the addon table |
| 18:54.46 | arkanes_ | Harvan: I mean, why not? |
| 18:54.58 | arkanes_ | typing self: isn't hard, and sometimes I have more than 1 file in an addon |
| 18:55.37 | Harvan | Because I'm trying to make my own life a little easier. I'm a C/Java dev. I have a hard time dealing with Lua's "standards". |
| 18:56.06 | Fisker | my farts Megalon |
| 18:56.23 | arkanes_ | Harvan: hows it making your life easier? |
| 18:56.57 | Harvan | I only have one addon file where I'll be making these calls. Instead of having to type "self:tableSize(a)" every time, I can just use "tableSize(a)". |
| 18:57.42 | mckenziemc | he could always do both if he expanded to multiple files |
| 18:57.46 | arkanes_ | well you can do self:TableSizeCalculatorFactory():GetImplementation():findTableSize(table) if you want Java "standards" :P |
| 18:58.06 | Harvan | Why would I do that in Java? |
| 18:58.13 | arkanes_ | (I'm just teasing here because you chose to put scare quotes on "standards") |
| 18:58.33 | Harvan | I'm of the opinion that Lua is anything but standard. ;) |
| 18:58.49 | mckenziemc | function MyAddon:TableSize(t) |
| 18:58.50 | arkanes_ | well you'll probably have to get over that sort of thing |
| 18:58.51 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.51 | mckenziemc | end |
| 18:58.51 | mckenziemc | and |
| 18:58.51 | mckenziemc | local function tableSize(t) |
| 18:58.51 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.52 | mckenziemc | end |
| 18:59.04 | Slayman | durn stunnable? |
| 18:59.12 | arkanes_ | and probably over thinking of it in terms of 'standards', too |
| 18:59.37 | arkanes_ | myaddon:func and local func do different things, find out how the differ and do the one you want |
| 19:00.00 | Harvan | What's the difference between them, aside from scope? |
| 19:00.15 | arkanes_ | thats how they differ, in the scope |
| 19:00.35 | mckenziemc | self paramater, and how you pass them to other code like CallbackHandler |
| 19:00.36 | Harvan | Then I wouldn't say they do different things, but rather they're called differently. |
| 19:00.46 | arkanes_ | they're not called differently |
| 19:00.49 | arkanes_ | they do different things |
| 19:00.51 | Gagorian | Well, also using the local function is theoretically slightly faster |
| 19:00.54 | arkanes_ | lua is a dynamic language |
| 19:01.00 | Repo | 10cooldownicons-revamped: 03xhatix * r38 / (2 files in 2 directories): added experimental lag tolerance option |
| 19:01.08 | arkanes_ | they both create the same function, they differ in where that function is stored |
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| 19:01.47 | mckenziemc | function MyAddon:TableSize(t) is the same as function MyAddon.TableSize(self, t) |
| 19:01.52 | Harvan | Implementation-wise, if all I want to do is have it do something and return a value, and I don't care about "self" or what not, then as far as I'm concerned, they do the same thing. |
| 19:01.58 | arkanes_ | whether you access it with : or . is yet another thing |
| 19:02.36 | arkanes_ | why the insistence on not understanding? |
| 19:02.36 | organized_evolut | colon form is just syntactic sugar |
| 19:02.38 | mckenziemc | well i thought that's what you meant by "doing different things" |
| 19:02.50 | Harvan | I understand what you're saying. |
| 19:03.17 | mckenziemc | if you're just starting out coding lua, i say don't worry about it |
| 19:03.18 | arkanes_ | so if you understand how they differ, and yuo understand that self in lua is determined at the call site and not by the declaration |
| 19:03.19 | Harvan | But you're delving deep into "How Lua works", and I'm saying that that's kinda not important to me. |
| 19:03.40 | arkanes_ | its not particularly deep |
| 19:03.43 | arkanes_ | this is basic syntax |
| 19:03.46 | Harvan | Neither is my question. |
| 19:03.46 | mckenziemc | you can always go back and change things later if needed |
| 19:03.56 | arkanes_ | its like the difference between local and global variables in C |
| 19:04.10 | Harvan | Not the way you described it. |
| 19:04.27 | Harvan | In C, "local" and "global" are simply matters of scope. |
| 19:04.34 | arkanes_ | ! |
| 19:04.54 | Fisker | i once arkanes'd a guy |
| 19:05.00 | arkanes_ | would you use a global var as a loop index in C/ |
| 19:05.10 | Harvan | No. |
| 19:05.13 | Hati | anyone ever thought of clouding addons ? |
| 19:05.18 | mckenziemc | that's different |
| 19:05.26 | Harvan | But if I defined a global function in C, I'd expect to be able to access it from anywhere. |
| 19:05.37 | arkanes_ | but its just a simple loop and theres only 1 file |
| 19:05.45 | arkanes_ | it doesn't matter, and you're devling deep into "how C works" |
| 19:05.49 | Harvan | If I defined a local function in C (local to a class, I'd assume), then I would expect to only be able to access it within the class's scope. |
| 19:06.05 | arkanes_ | ... C doesn't have classes |
| 19:06.12 | Harvan | Fine, C++. |
| 19:06.16 | arkanes_ | and if it did, they wouldn't have local variables :( |
| 19:06.18 | arkanes_ | okay never mind |
| 19:06.43 | arkanes_ | I was taking a path that assumed some things that apparently aren't true |
| 19:06.44 | Harvan | If the function just takes a parameter X and returns Y, then whether it's defined in global or local scope only affects where I can use it or how I can call it, but not what it does. |
| 19:07.11 | Harvan | At least at the level where "what it does" is important. |
| 19:07.16 | mckenziemc | Hati: what do you mean? |
| 19:07.23 | Hati | addons like boss mods etc. |
| 19:07.31 | Hati | instead of each client calculating the stuff |
| 19:07.35 | arkanes_ | Hati: what does "clouding" mean |
| 19:07.48 | Hati | you send it to the one with highest performance, and so on |
| 19:07.55 | Harvan | Hati: That'd be a great idea if Blizzard let you access external resources. |
| 19:07.58 | Hati | dunno if such a thing would make sense |
| 19:08.00 | mckenziemc | i think he means distributed computing, roughly |
| 19:08.12 | arkanes_ | boss mods don't anything thats particularly amenable to that |
| 19:08.41 | arkanes_ | with a few rare exceptions like Routes, the only performance sensitive stuff that addons do is inherently local because it involves reacting to local events |
| 19:09.10 | Hati | hmm k |
| 19:09.28 | arkanes_ | farming out TSP calculation to the whole server via comms is an interesting although probably ultimately pointless and silly idea |
| 19:09.32 | mckenziemc | i actually started writing an addon that's supposed to run tasks in wow when framerate is high enough that the user won't notice, and started wondering if i could use it like BOINC |
| 19:09.38 | Harvan | string.match(x, y) returns a numeric-ordered list, correct? |
| 19:10.04 | mckenziemc | but the only slightly practical thing i could think of is processing auction house data |
| 19:10.45 | organized_evolut | there'sa channel bot for checking lua funcs |
| 19:10.50 | arkanes_ | AH data is so time sensitive though |
| 19:10.51 | organized_evolut | i forget the command tho |
| 19:10.58 | Harvan | z = string.match("One two three", "[^%s]+"); #z == 3, correct? |
| 19:10.58 | Hati | well just came up in my mind another day :p |
| 19:11.05 | arkanes_ | distributing it would just make that problem even worse |
| 19:11.06 | mckenziemc | !api string.match |
| 19:11.06 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.match' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.match |
| 19:11.17 | arkanes_ | Hati: its not entirely crazy :) |
| 19:11.25 | Hati | lua> z = string.match("One two three", "[^%s]+"); #z == 3, |
| 19:11.25 | Pneumatus | lua> string.match("One two three", "[^%s]+"); |
| 19:11.26 | lua_bot | Hati: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 19:11.26 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: One |
| 19:11.31 | Hati | doh |
| 19:11.43 | Hati | lua> z = string.match("One two three", "[^%s]+") #z == 3, |
| 19:11.43 | Gagorian | lua> string.match("One two three", "[^%s]+") |
| 19:11.43 | lua_bot | Hati: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 19:11.44 | lua_bot | Gagorian: One |
| 19:12.08 | Harvan | lua> z = string.match("One two three", "[^%s]+"); print(#z); |
| 19:12.08 | lua_bot | Harvan: 3 |
| 19:12.10 | Gagorian | Matches first longest string that's not a space |
| 19:12.12 | Harvan | Okay, that works. |
| 19:12.17 | mckenziemc | match will only match once, but if you specify multiple captures it should print them all |
| 19:12.27 | Pneumatus | lua> string.match("One two three", "%s(%w+)"); |
| 19:12.27 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: two |
| 19:12.44 | Pneumatus | lua> string.match("One two three", ".+%s(%w+)"); |
| 19:12.45 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: three |
| 19:12.48 | Harvan | Well, actually, I was looking to get the number of matches. |
| 19:12.54 | mckenziemc | lua> string.match("one two three", "(%w) (%w) (%w)") |
| 19:12.54 | Gagorian | Harvan: That doesn't work like that |
| 19:12.54 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: nil |
| 19:13.09 | Megalon | for blub in gmatch do x+1 end |
| 19:13.15 | Hati | lua> string.find("one two three", "[%w+]?") |
| 19:13.15 | lua_bot | Hati: 1, 1 |
| 19:13.33 | mckenziemc | lua> string.match("one two three", "(%w*) (%w*) (%w*)") |
| 19:13.34 | Hati | find returns rest of string ... as 4th return value |
| 19:13.34 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: one, two, three |
| 19:13.38 | Pneumatus | lua> #string.split("one two three", " ") |
| 19:13.39 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: 0 |
| 19:13.41 | mckenziemc | there we go |
| 19:13.44 | Pneumatus | lua> string.split("one two three", " ") |
| 19:13.45 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: , |
| 19:13.52 | Pneumatus | geh |
| 19:14.31 | Gagorian | lua> local i = 0; for w in string.gmatch("one two three",[^%s]+) do i = i + 1 end; print(i) |
| 19:14.32 | lua_bot | Gagorian: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '[' |
| 19:14.39 | Gagorian | lua> local i = 0; for w in string.gmatch("one two three","[^%s]+") do i = i + 1 end; print(i) |
| 19:14.39 | lua_bot | Gagorian: 3 |
| 19:14.43 | Gagorian | like so |
| 19:14.43 | TheDude2 | there could be a plausable use for distributed computing in addons! some way for the guy in your guild playing on a 5 year old laptop with onboard video to get proper boss timers/recount data/etc without doing any cpu work |
| 19:14.48 | TheDude2 | pretty minimal though |
| 19:14.53 | Harvan | What I want to do is get the first "word" in a space-delimited string, determine if that item is numeric, if so, do something with that and strip it out of the string, then do something with the remaining string. |
| 19:14.59 | Gagorian | lua> local i = 0; for w in string.gmatch("one two three four five six seven eight","[^%s]+") do i = i + 1 end; print(i) |
| 19:15.00 | lua_bot | Gagorian: 8 |
| 19:15.13 | arkanes_ | TheDude2: there is no cpu work involved in doing boss timers |
| 19:15.19 | sylvanaar_work | use strsplit |
| 19:15.24 | sylvanaar_work | in wow |
| 19:15.33 | arkanes_ | TheDude2: aside from the whole "running code when an event happens" part, and distributing it would not improve that |
| 19:15.37 | Harvan | lua strsplit("one two three four five", " "); |
| 19:15.40 | Harvan | lua> strsplit("one two three four five", " "); |
| 19:15.41 | lua_bot | Harvan: , |
| 19:15.44 | sylvanaar_work | no, its wow only\ |
| 19:15.45 | mckenziemc | strsplit or string.gsub with a function |
| 19:16.12 | mckenziemc | lua> string.split("a x c", " ") |
| 19:16.13 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: , |
| 19:16.17 | Harvan | TheDude2: Also, DBM isn't exactly using a lot of resources. |
| 19:16.48 | sylvanaar_work | well, thats not useful |
| 19:17.04 | Pneumatus | strsplit is the same as string.split though isnt it? |
| 19:17.29 | Harvan | lua> #string.split("a b c", " "); |
| 19:17.32 | lua_bot | Harvan: 0 |
| 19:17.34 | sylvanaar_work | idk, string.split looks pretty fail |
| 19:17.49 | Pneumatus | according to the lua manua, split("a,b,c", ",") --> {"a", "b", "c"} |
| 19:17.59 | Pneumatus | lua> string.split("a,b,c", ",") |
| 19:18.00 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: , |
| 19:18.02 | mckenziemc | lua> #{string.split("a b c", " ") |
| 19:18.03 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 19:18.12 | Pneumatus | luabot seems to disagree though |
| 19:18.21 | Pneumatus | as does wowlua |
| 19:18.25 | organized_evolut | luabot's a noob |
| 19:18.36 | Harvan | lua> split("a b c", " "); |
| 19:18.37 | lua_bot | Harvan: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'split' (a nil value) |
| 19:18.47 | mckenziemc | lua> table.len({string.split("a b c", " ")}) |
| 19:18.48 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'len' (a nil value) |
| 19:18.49 | Harvan | lua> crash(); |
| 19:18.50 | lua_bot | Harvan: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'crash' (a nil value) |
| 19:18.58 | Pneumatus | oh wait |
| 19:18.59 | organized_evolut | lol |
| 19:19.08 | Pneumatus | args are reversed so its like php's implode() |
| 19:19.09 | mckenziemc | lua> error("aoeu") |
| 19:19.10 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: luabot:1: aoeu |
| 19:19.20 | sylvanaar_work | really |
| 19:19.21 | Pneumatus | lua> #string.split(" ", "one two three") |
| 19:19.22 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: 3 |
| 19:19.23 | mckenziemc | yes! it worked! |
| 19:19.36 | Pneumatus | split(delimiter, pattern) |
| 19:19.43 | sylvanaar_work | nice |
| 19:19.45 | Harvan | Huh, okay. |
| 19:20.01 | sylvanaar_work | lua> string.split(" ", "one two three") |
| 19:20.02 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: one, two, three |
| 19:20.04 | Harvan | lua> string.split(" ", "x y z"); |
| 19:20.05 | lua_bot | Harvan: x, y, z |
| 19:20.15 | Harvan | Excellent, that's exactly what I needed. |
| 19:20.23 | organized_evolut | damn all day i been thinking it's saturday |
| 19:20.34 | sylvanaar_work | i wish it was monday |
| 19:20.49 | mckenziemc | i wish it was tuesday |
| 19:20.57 | Pneumatus | if it was monday i'd be all warmed up for the cataclizm |
| 19:21.08 | mckenziemc | well except for server instability D: |
| 19:21.09 | Harvan | Is delimiter a regex? Or just a straight character set? |
| 19:21.25 | orgevo | i'm still trying to restore my computer's partitions - it's not looking good :\ |
| 19:21.26 | mckenziemc | dunno, i think it's literal |
| 19:21.33 | Pneumatus | yeh, literal string |
| 19:21.39 | Harvan | Okay. |
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| 19:22.11 | mckenziemc | !api string.split |
| 19:22.12 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'string.split'. |
| 19:22.13 | sylvanaar_work | lua> string.split("xb", "axbxc") |
| 19:22.13 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: a, , , c |
| 19:22.32 | sylvanaar_work | thats cute |
| 19:22.44 | Pneumatus | !api strsplit |
| 19:22.45 | lua_bot | strsplit: Splits a string based on another seperator string (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/strsplit) |
| 19:22.51 | mckenziemc | ah, any char in the first limit will act as a delimiter |
| 19:23.00 | mckenziemc | first arg* |
| 19:23.02 | Pneumatus | wow's string.split is an alias to strsplit |
| 19:23.22 | Harvan | lua> string.split(" ,", "one,two three, four"); |
| 19:23.22 | lua_bot | Harvan: one, two, three, , four |
| 19:23.28 | mckenziemc | is there a way to use the s/old/new syntax with spaces in the text? |
| 19:23.43 | sylvanaar_work | i guess i forgot there was a string.split |
| 19:23.48 | mckenziemc | like, s/first limit/first arg |
| 19:24.20 | sylvanaar_work | like what? |
| 19:24.51 | sylvanaar_work | s/like what/like this/ |
| 19:25.12 | mckenziemc | hmm, i thought it borked when i tried it before |
| 19:25.20 | sylvanaar_work | put the / at the end |
| 19:25.26 | mckenziemc | oh |
| 19:26.32 | Harvan | I didn't know you could do that. |
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| 19:26.44 | Harvan | s/didn't/WOW THAT'S TOTALLY AWESOME/ |
| 19:26.55 | Harvan | Cute. |
| 19:26.56 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 19:27.18 | sylvanaar_work | purl is tons'o'fun |
| 19:27.26 | EthanCentaurai | Adirelle: ping |
| 19:27.57 | Fisker | i wanna kill EthanCentaurai |
| 19:28.14 | EthanCentaurai | Adirelle: InlineAura\Core.lua line 942: attempt to call local 'handler' (a boolean value) with tullaCC installed |
| 19:28.35 | EthanCentaurai | tullaCC sets _G.OmniCC to true if OmniCC isn't also installed |
| 19:29.35 | mckenziemc | O.o |
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| 19:32.15 | Harvan | Wheeeeee |
| 19:32.22 | Harvan | s/e/a/ |
| 19:32.33 | Harvan | So it only does the first instance? |
| 19:32.39 | Primer | unless you use g |
| 19:32.43 | Primer | weeeeeeeee |
| 19:32.47 | Primer | s/e/a/g |
| 19:32.51 | Harvan | Ah |
| 19:33.00 | Harvan | What if you want to do the first three? |
| 19:33.04 | Primer | weeeeeeeee |
| 19:33.09 | EthanCentaurai | purl, hug me |
| 19:33.09 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on ethancentaurai and suddenly hugs ethancentaurai tightly |
| 19:33.14 | Primer | s/e{,3}/a/ |
| 19:33.18 | Primer | err |
| 19:33.25 | Primer | s/e[1,3]/a/ |
| 19:33.28 | Primer | meh |
| 19:33.33 | Primer | my sed foo is not that strong |
| 19:33.34 | Harvan | weeeeeeee |
| 19:33.38 | Harvan | s/e[1,3]/a/ |
| 19:33.52 | Harvan | s/e/a/g[1,3] |
| 19:33.58 | Harvan | Meh, nevermind. |
| 19:33.59 | mckenziemc | stay away from da voodoo, mon |
| 19:34.37 | orgevo | heh |
| 19:35.29 | EthanCentaurai | Adirelle: I'm guessing the line "addonSupport.tullaCC = OmniCC" is supposed to be "addonSupport.tullaCC = addonSupport.OmniCC"? |
| 19:37.01 | Harvan | lua> for item in ipairs(string.split(" ", "one two three")) do x = x + 1 end; print(x); |
| 19:37.01 | lua_bot | Harvan: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got string) |
| 19:37.35 | mckenziemc | put braces around you call to string.split |
| 19:37.40 | mckenziemc | s/you/your |
| 19:37.45 | EthanCentaurai | lua> for item in ipairs( { string.split(" ", "one two three") } ) do x = x + 1 end; print(x); |
| 19:37.46 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'x' (a nil value) |
| 19:38.05 | EthanCentaurai | lua> local x; for item in ipairs( { string.split(" ", "one two three") } ) do x = x + 1 end; print(x); |
| 19:38.06 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'x' (a nil value) |
| 19:38.06 | mckenziemc | s/you/your/ |
| 19:38.07 | Harvan | lua> local x = 0; for item in ipairs({string.split(" ", "one two three")}) do x = x + 1 end; print(x); |
| 19:38.07 | lua_bot | Harvan: 3 |
| 19:38.12 | Harvan | Cool |
| 19:38.19 | EthanCentaurai | Harvan wins |
| 19:38.25 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 19:38.28 | EthanCentaurai | ~fail EthanCentaurai |
| 19:38.29 | purl | EthanCentaurai: FAIL! |
| 19:39.07 | mckenziemc | the braces take the returns and stuff them into a table, with the first return going into index 1, second return to index 2, and so n |
| 19:39.08 | mckenziemc | on |
| 19:39.24 | Gagorian | As long as you don't run that very often it's not that bad |
| 19:39.51 | Gagorian | But creating a new table isn't very good if you run it often |
| 19:40.07 | Pneumatus | Harvan: no no no no |
| 19:40.13 | Pneumatus | lua> #string.split(" ", "one two three") |
| 19:40.14 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: 3 |
| 19:40.17 | Harvan | In practice, I'll actually just have a table already. |
| 19:40.21 | mckenziemc | string.match would be the way to do it? |
| 19:40.28 | mckenziemc | gmatch* |
| 19:40.31 | Harvan | And I'll be doing more complex stuff on the tokens. |
| 19:40.48 | Harvan | That was just for me to make sure I had the ipairs syntax correct. |
| 19:40.52 | Pneumatus | string.split returns a table, if you just want a count you don't need to loop it :o |
| 19:41.07 | Pneumatus | and you dont need to wrap it in another table :) |
| 19:41.17 | mckenziemc | it doesn't return a table |
| 19:41.26 | mckenziemc | if it did that code wouldn't have worked |
| 19:41.34 | Harvan | What does it return, then? |
| 19:41.46 | mckenziemc | well, it would've returned 1 for a table in the first index |
| 19:42.02 | mckenziemc | it returns a variable length list of arguments, apparently |
| 19:42.07 | Harvan | lua> type(string.split(" ", "one two three")); |
| 19:42.07 | lua_bot | Harvan: string |
| 19:42.50 | mckenziemc | lua select("#", string.split(" ", "one two three")) |
| 19:43.00 | mckenziemc | s/lua/lua!/ |
| 19:43.04 | mckenziemc | doh |
| 19:43.09 | mckenziemc | try #3 |
| 19:43.15 | Megalon | http://i.imgur.com/pymy0.png |
| 19:43.21 | Megalon | you got me this time, engineering! |
| 19:43.21 | Harvan | lua> select("3", string.split(" ", one two three")); |
| 19:43.22 | lua_bot | Harvan: luabot:1: ')' expected near 'two' |
| 19:43.22 | mckenziemc | lua> select("#", string.split(" ", "one two three")) |
| 19:43.22 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 3 |
| 19:43.30 | Harvan | lua> select("3", string.split(" ", "one two three")); |
| 19:43.30 | lua_bot | Harvan: three |
| 19:44.04 | Harvan | So to get a specific token out of the return from string.split, I have to use select? |
| 19:44.26 | mckenziemc | select with a number returns the argument at that index + all the arguments after, "#" returns the number of args |
| 19:44.34 | mckenziemc | that or put it into a table using braces |
| 19:44.50 | mckenziemc | and then use the index you want |
| 19:44.56 | Gagorian | Depending on what you're doing string.gmatch might be better |
| 19:44.56 | Harvan | x = { string.split(...) }; is valid, right? |
| 19:45.10 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 19:45.58 | mckenziemc | gagorian: dunno if he'd want to deal with that yet, i think he's new to lua |
| 19:46.05 | Harvan | I am, somewhat. |
| 19:46.25 | mckenziemc | but i understand what you mean |
| 19:46.26 | Harvan | Was already using gmatch, actually, but it didn't seem to do what I wanted. |
| 19:46.38 | Harvan | for warning in string.gmatch(warnings, "[^%s]+") do |
| 19:47.21 | Harvan | What I'm trying to do is to support a flexible console syntax so I can do stuff like: |
| 19:47.33 | Harvan | ./hh snooze 5 nopet noaspect |
| 19:47.40 | Harvan | ./hh snooze off |
| 19:47.43 | Harvan | ./hh snooze |
| 19:47.47 | Pneumatus | why not just use aceconsole |
| 19:47.55 | Pneumatus | as thats like, exactly what it was designed for |
| 19:48.14 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 19:48.16 | Harvan | Huh |
| 19:48.30 | Harvan | I am loading AceConsole, but wasn't actually using it. I'll check that out. |
| 19:48.37 | kadrahil | lol |
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| 19:48.41 | EthanCentaurai | Adirelle: Also getting \InlineAura\Config.lua line 616: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil) when adding Cure Disease to IA's config |
| 19:48.52 | mckenziemc | @project Ace3 |
| 19:48.53 | Repo | mckenziemc: More than one project was returned. Try supplying a game. Possible games: WoW, WAR. |
| 19:49.01 | EthanCentaurai | @project wow/ace3 |
| 19:49.02 | Repo | EthanCentaurai: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/. Ace3. Game: WoW. Kaelten (Manager/Author), Ammo (Author), mikk (Author), Nevcairiel (Author/Maintainer), Nargiddley (Former author). Updated: 2 days ago. Tickets: 9/205 |
| 19:49.16 | mckenziemc | @project wow/AceConsole |
| 19:49.17 | Repo | mckenziemc: No project found that matches 'wow/aceconsole' |
| 19:49.19 | Harvan | (I cannibalized a couple of other addons to create mine.) |
| 19:49.41 | mckenziemc | k just wondering if the bot could link to the subproject |
| 19:50.02 | Gagorian | Harvan: I gave you a working string.gmatch implementation a while back: local i = 0; for w in string.gmatch("one two three four five six seven eight","[^%s]+") do i = i + 1 end; print(i) |
| 19:50.10 | EthanCentaurai | @project wow/ace3/aceconsole-3-0 |
| 19:50.12 | Repo | EthanCentaurai: No project found that matches 'wow/ace3/aceconsole-3-0' |
| 19:50.15 | Gagorian | that way you get every match separately and can do whatever you wish with it within the loop |
| 19:50.21 | EthanCentaurai | gives up. |
| 19:50.34 | mckenziemc | if you go to that ace3 link, then to the pages, you can find the api for all the libraries in Ace3 |
| 19:50.54 | mckenziemc | soothes EthanCentaurai |
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| 19:54.07 | Harvan | Okay, AceConsole question: GetArgs: If I have a variable number of arguments in the string, how do I tell it I want to get ALL of the arguments past a certain point? |
| 19:54.20 | Harvan | Can I just give it an unreasonably large number to use for numArgs? |
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| 19:55.15 | mckenziemc | hmm, let me check what i did in my addon |
| 19:55.21 | mckenziemc | @project UpRank |
| 19:55.22 | Repo | mckenziemc: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/uprank/. UpRank. Game: WoW. mckenziemc (Manager/Author). Updated: 90 days ago. Tickets: 2/6 |
| 19:55.48 | Harvan | AceConsole:GetArgs("one, two, three, four, five", 100, 2) --> Would that return "two", "three", "four", "five", or throw an error? |
| 19:56.09 | mckenziemc | it looks like it'd just return nils |
| 19:56.13 | mckenziemc | extra nils |
| 19:57.14 | mckenziemc | looks like i never got around to converting my addon to use AceConsole O.o |
| 19:58.22 | mckenziemc | idk then |
| 19:59.28 | mckenziemc | i guess it's implemented in the expectation that you'll process the command one part at a time, not pulling the next part till you've processed the previous |
| 19:59.37 | Harvan | Got it. |
| 19:59.49 | Harvan | Think my more "manual" method will work. I have a plan now. |
| 19:59.50 | mckenziemc | you could either code your addon that way, or use a loop to stuff it in a table all at once |
| 20:00.06 | mckenziemc | ok |
| 20:04.56 | Harvan | Is there a statement to break out of a loop? |
| 20:05.03 | mckenziemc | break |
| 20:05.13 | Harvan | for item in ipairs(table) do if somecondition then break end; |
| 20:05.36 | mckenziemc | yes, though don't forget the second end :p |
| 20:05.43 | Harvan | Right. |
| 20:05.51 | Harvan | Okay, wasn't sure if break was supported. |
| 20:07.02 | EthanCentaurai | what's the difference between pairs() and ipairs()? |
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| 20:07.13 | Harvan | ipairs() only works on numeric-indexed tables. |
| 20:07.14 | Gagorian | ipairs iterates only over numeral indexes |
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| 20:07.36 | Harvan | for key,value in pairs(table) |
| 20:07.46 | Harvan | for value in ipairs(numeric-table) |
| 20:07.48 | mckenziemc | and only -consecutive- numerical indices |
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| 20:08.12 | mckenziemc | if you have 1-3 set and 5 but not 4, it'll stop at 3 and won't get to 5 |
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| 20:08.40 | EthanCentaurai | so ipairs() for { [1] = "coffee", [2] = "sugar", [3] = "milk" } and pairs() for { coffee = true, sugar = true, milk = true } |
| 20:08.41 | Harvan | According to the docs, ipairs does ensure numeric order so long as all indices are consecutive. |
| 20:08.42 | sylvanaar_work | lua> for n,v in pairs{ 1 , 2, 3, a=4, b=5, c=6} print(v) end |
| 20:08.42 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: luabot:1: 'do' expected near 'print' |
| 20:08.47 | sylvanaar_work | lua> for n,v in pairs{ 1 , 2, 3, a=4, b=5, c=6} do print(v) end |
| 20:08.47 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 5 |
| 20:08.56 | sylvanaar_work | lua> for n,v in ipairs{ 1 , 2, 3, a=4, b=5, c=6} do print(v) end |
| 20:08.57 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: 1, 2, 3 |
| 20:09.15 | Harvan | But pairs() doesn't guarantee any sort of order. |
| 20:09.17 | sylvanaar_work | lua> for n,v in pairs{ 1 , 2, 3, a=4, b=5, c=6} do print(n) end |
| 20:09.17 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: 1, 2, 3, a, c, b |
| 20:09.23 | sylvanaar_work | lua> for n,v in ipairs{ 1 , 2, 3, a=4, b=5, c=6} do print(n) end |
| 20:09.23 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: 1, 2, 3 |
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| 20:09.54 | mckenziemc | Harvan: right |
| 20:10.03 | Harvan | And actually... |
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| 20:10.18 | Harvan | I was given to understand that meant the order in which the items were inserted into the table. |
| 20:10.26 | EthanCentaurai | hi tekkub |
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| 20:10.53 | mckenziemc | technically it's undefined, but i think it's whatever order they're stored in internally |
| 20:11.11 | Harvan | Hmm |
| 20:11.46 | Harvan | lua> for n,v in ipairs({ string.split(" ", "one two three four") }) do print(v) end; |
| 20:11.47 | lua_bot | Harvan: one, two, three, four |
| 20:11.50 | mckenziemc | probably a linked list, so FIFO sounds right but don't assume that; lua's internals might've moved things around |
| 20:14.15 | arkanes_ | they're hash tables |
| 20:14.23 | arkanes_ | except when they're vectors :\ |
| 20:14.26 | arkanes_ | silly lua |
| 20:14.42 | sylvanaar_work | they can be both |
| 20:14.49 | arkanes_ | at the same time, even |
| 20:14.55 | sylvanaar_work | yep |
| 20:15.07 | arkanes_ | don't rely on the order of results from non-indexed tables |
| 20:15.28 | sylvanaar_work | lua> for k,v in pairs{ 1 , 2, 3, a=4, b=5, c=6} print(v) end |
| 20:15.28 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: luabot:1: 'do' expected near 'print' |
| 20:15.33 | sylvanaar_work | lua> for k,v in pairs{ 1 , 2, 3, a=4, b=5, c=6} do print(v) end |
| 20:15.33 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 5 |
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| 20:15.49 | sylvanaar_work | lua> for k,v in pairs{ d=7, 1 , 2, 3, a=4, b=5, c=6} do print(v) end |
| 20:15.50 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 6, 5 |
| 20:16.31 | mckenziemc | hmm if they're hash tables the order would be very unlikely to be FIFO, right? i'm not too familiar with them |
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| 20:16.56 | mckenziemc | not that it matters since it shouldn't be depended on |
| 20:16.58 | sylvanaar_work | the hash portion is in hash order |
| 20:17.10 | nevcairiel | dont even rely on the order of array-tables when using pairs |
| 20:17.11 | sylvanaar_work | look at the output |
| 20:17.40 | nevcairiel | just dont rely on it at all :D |
| 20:18.28 | mckenziemc | well we can assume he was referring to tables where you could and would use ipairs |
| 20:19.01 | nevcairiel | ipairs is meh, just use a numeric for loop |
| 20:20.37 | Harvan | lua> for v in ipairs{ "one", "two", "five", "Three sir!", "three!" } do print(v) end |
| 20:20.38 | lua_bot | Harvan: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 20:20.45 | Harvan | lua> for i,v in ipairs{ "one", "two", "five", "Three sir!", "three!" } do print(v) end |
| 20:20.45 | lua_bot | Harvan: one, two, five, Three sir!, three! |
| 20:21.05 | orgevo | this is where wowlua comes in really handy |
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| 20:28.33 | Repo | 10shinystats: 03Xiiph * r10 / (2 files in 1 directory): Completed configuration and database changes |
| 20:28.34 | Repo | Updated locale |
| 20:28.35 | Repo | Further work with configuration dialog and settings. |
| 20:28.36 | Repo | Further work with localization of options and option configuration |
| 20:37.32 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik * r3104 LootTableModules/ (2 files in 2 directories): - little fixes |
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| 20:40.23 | Adirelle | EthanCentaurai, pong |
| 20:40.26 | *** part/#wowace profalbert (~profalber@213.162.68.34) |
| 20:40.41 | EthanCentaurai | pongs and needs a wash |
| 20:41.20 | Znuff | Hooray. They broke BGs too |
| 20:41.29 | Znuff | If you get a port and you hit the accept button, you get dc-ed |
| 20:41.34 | Znuff | Instances are down, too |
| 20:41.58 | Znuff | that's on EU, anyway |
| 20:42.11 | Repo | 10questitem: 03Pericles * r52 / (2 files in 1 directory): QuestItem: - |
| 20:42.12 | Repo | Display version code was missing |
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| 20:43.32 | Slayman | "Endless Carnage" or "Primal Madness" for tankbuild while lvling? |
| 20:46.09 | EthanCentaurai | Adirelle: bug reports a few lines up |
| 20:46.15 | Adirelle | EthanCentaurai, got them |
| 20:46.19 | EthanCentaurai | ok |
| 20:46.40 | Adirelle | one fixed, and I'll ignore the other since I'm going to rewrite that part anyway :p |
| 20:47.07 | mckenziemc | anyone here familiar with the web design of curse.com's addon pages? |
| 20:49.59 | Nechckn | There are lurkers, mckenziemc - Ask away and they will usually pop in if they are around. |
| 20:52.00 | mckenziemc | i'm having an issue with the way it appears but it only happens when i try to load project pages on dialup, so i'm not really expecting support |
| 20:52.21 | mckenziemc | but i was wondering if something was changed recently to cause view requests to timeout sooner |
| 20:52.37 | mckenziemc | s/to cause/that would cause |
| 20:52.47 | mckenziemc | woops *shrug* |
| 20:53.41 | mckenziemc | the page only partly loads, even if i reload it, which makes curse.com mostly unusable for me : / |
| 21:00.40 | Harvan | Woot. :) |
| 21:06.34 | Znuff | Anyone knows of an addon to silence engineering mounts? |
| 21:06.59 | Nobgul | There is one called getthechopper or something of that nature. |
| 21:07.00 | mckenziemc | control-S ? |
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| 21:07.32 | Znuff | I like mount sounds. |
| 21:07.39 | Znuff | Just not engineering ones. |
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| 21:09.16 | Znuff | Can't find it :-( |
| 21:09.54 | Nobgul | What site you looking on? |
| 21:10.01 | *** part/#wowace mckenziemc (~Mark@dialup-4.246.252.127.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) |
| 21:12.04 | Znuff | wowinterface / curse |
| 21:12.07 | Znuff | google |
| 21:12.09 | Nobgul | chopperkiller |
| 21:12.11 | Nobgul | on wowi |
| 21:12.40 | Znuff | was searching for "chopper" and came out empty |
| 21:12.53 | Nobgul | i just searched for chgopper |
| 21:13.02 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php |
| 21:13.13 | Harvan | lua> local x = { ["one"] = true }; print( x["two"] == nil ); |
| 21:13.14 | lua_bot | Harvan: true |
| 21:13.15 | Znuff | Ah, that's why you can't find it, it's not an "addon" |
| 21:13.19 | Znuff | You replace some files. |
| 21:13.25 | Harvan | lua> local x = { ["one"] = true }; print( x["two"] ~= nil ); |
| 21:13.26 | lua_bot | Harvan: false |
| 21:16.59 | Nobgul | There are other ones also Znuff, If you look in the minigames/rofl section and sort by latest uploaded. |
| 21:17.16 | Znuff | Yeah, now I know how :-) |
| 21:20.38 | Harvan | Amazing how the difference between == and ~= can totally make or break an addon. :P |
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| 21:25.43 | Harvan | lua> type("54"); |
| 21:25.44 | lua_bot | Harvan: string |
| 21:25.53 | Harvan | lua> type(tonumber("54")); |
| 21:25.53 | lua_bot | Harvan: number |
| 21:25.56 | Harvan | lua> type(tonumber("blah")); |
| 21:25.57 | lua_bot | Harvan: nil |
| 21:26.08 | mckenziemc | woot |
| 21:26.18 | mckenziemc | hit my dismount button on accident |
| 21:26.42 | Hati | haha |
| 21:27.03 | Yoshimo | to get a guildgroup, how many people of my guild do i need in a 5man group? 4 or 5 or less? |
| 21:27.09 | Hati | 75% |
| 21:28.47 | Fisker | omg Megalon |
| 21:28.48 | Fisker | omg |
| 21:28.49 | Fisker | omg |
| 21:28.49 | Fisker | gmo |
| 21:28.53 | Fisker | omgomgomg |
| 21:29.35 | Hati | Yoshimo: more info: http://www.wowpedia.org/Guild_advancement#Size_of_Party_to_Qualify_for_Guild_Experience |
| 21:30.22 | Znuff | But there aren't 25 players BGs anymore |
| 21:30.23 | Znuff | it's 10/15 |
| 21:30.28 | Znuff | 10 or 15, I mean |
| 21:31.11 | Hati | lua> 8/10 |
| 21:31.11 | lua_bot | Hati: 0.8 |
| 21:32.03 | mckenziemc | ... |
| 21:32.37 | mckenziemc | lua> math.sqrt(-1) |
| 21:32.37 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: nan |
| 21:32.38 | Fisker | omg Megalon |
| 21:33.44 | Hati | Znuff: then it's 8/10 or 12/15 |
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| 21:34.07 | arkanes_ | something that I'm still not clear on is if I take 6 guild members, and nobody else, into a 10 man do we count as a "guild group" |
| 21:34.29 | Hati | don't think so |
| 21:34.32 | arkanes_ | that is :( |
| 21:36.50 | dafire | is it possible to make npc chatbubbles smaller ? |
| 21:40.15 | ulic | arkanes_: I agree, it's pretty lame, it's based on numbers not percentage |
| 21:43.12 | Repo | 10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * 4.0.3-1.0.10-1-g70afc3d Prefixes.lua: [+1 commit] Added prefix for the AudioX AddOn. |
| 21:43.25 | ulic | some one in a comment was suggesting you might be able to stuff the raid with alts that are offline, but it was pure speculation. |
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| 21:45.04 | Fisker | Megalon |
| 21:45.06 | Fisker | i'm angry |
| 21:48.21 | Znuff | meh, I thought they fixed instances |
| 21:48.38 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/recountensidiafails/. RecountEnsidiaFails. Maat (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis. |
| 21:48.43 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/recountchogallcc/. RecountChogallCC. Maat (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis. |
| 21:48.49 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ensidiafailswotlk/. EnsidiaFailsWotLK. Maat (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis. |
| 21:48.54 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libfail-2-0/. LibFail-2.0. Maat (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Ackis. |
| 21:50.46 | pb_ee1 | *Maat is in frenzy mode* |
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| 22:06.10 | Repo | 10smartmount: 03akazik * r124 SmartMount.lua: - fixed class mounts |
| 22:06.35 | Repo | 10smartmount: 03akazik 04v4.0-125 * r125 : Tagging as v4.0-125 |
| 22:06.41 | Hati | UnitAura("target",...) requires an index ? |
| 22:06.57 | Hati | or is there a way to make it work with "name" rather than index ? |
| 22:10.14 | ulic | !api UnitAura |
| 22:10.14 | lua_bot | UnitAura: Returns information about buffs/debuffs on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura) |
| 22:10.20 | ulic | says UnitAura("unit", index [, "filter"]) or UnitAura("unit", "name" [, "rank" [, "filter"]]) |
| 22:10.49 | Hati | yeah but if i do UnitAura("target", "Flame Shock" "PLAYER") |
| 22:10.54 | Hati | it returns nil |
| 22:11.09 | Hati | so seems like id is the only way to go :/ |
| 22:11.15 | ulic | I assume the missing comma is just a typo |
| 22:11.42 | Hati | yeah |
| 22:11.43 | Repo | 10gnomeworks: 03lilsparky * r90 Inventory.lua: optimized inventory queue interaction |
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| 22:12.56 | ulic | I'm not someplace to test it myself, sorry. |
| 22:13.17 | Repo | 10gnomeworks: 03lilsparky * r91 Inventory.lua: oops. left in a print statement... |
| 22:15.40 | ulic | maybe try UnitAura("target", "Flame Shock", nil, "PLAYER") |
| 22:16.44 | Hati | neither |
| 22:16.44 | Hati | :/ |
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| 22:21.51 | Repo | 10fambags (experimental): 03fammy2k * r5 famBags/famBags.toc: * toc update |
| 22:25.26 | Repo | 10fambags (experimental): 03fammy2k * r6 beta1/famBags/famBags.toc: * toc update |
| 22:26.10 | Repo | 10fambags (experimental): 03fammy2k 04beta1 * r7 : Tagging as beta1 |
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| 22:30.19 | sbu | harl|festgefress: stop that :p |
| 22:30.47 | Repo | 10fambags (experimental): 03fammy2k * r8 famBags (2 files in 2 directories): * restructuring dirs |
| 22:31.05 | Hati | ulic: got it |
| 22:31.20 | Hati | UnitAura("target","Flame Shock", nil, "PLAYER|HARMFUL") |
| 22:31.29 | Hati | no clue why he fails otherwise /: |
| 22:36.08 | Repo | 10fambags (experimental): 03fammy2k * r9 / (28 files in 5 directories): * v0.9.0-beta1 new dirs structure |
| 22:37.33 | Repo | 10fambags (experimental): 03fammy2k 04v0.9.0-beta1 * r10 : Tagging as v0.9.0-beta1 |
| 22:38.36 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03StingerSoft * r3105 Locales/constants.ru.lua: ruRU update |
| 22:41.30 | harl|festgefress | sbu: just stating the truth ;) |
| 22:43.14 | Harvan | lua> for i = 1, "man, what can I" do but end -- my life. |
| 22:43.15 | lua_bot | Harvan: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'end' |
| 22:48.24 | starlon | o.O |
| 22:49.16 | Harvan | lua> 9^9^9 |
| 22:49.16 | lua_bot | Harvan: inf |
| 22:49.43 | Harvan | lua> 0/0 |
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| 22:49.44 | lua_bot | Harvan: nan |
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| 23:00.57 | mckenziemc | lua> (harvan or 7) ^ 2 |
| 23:00.57 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 49 |
| 23:05.51 | Repo | 10sifter: 03Starinnia * r29 / (2 files in 1 directory): -add Elementium Ore results |
| 23:06.46 | Znuff | Is there a way to disable action bar swapping? Without installing Bartender |
| 23:07.51 | Repo | 10cooldownicons-revamped: 03xhatix * r39 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 23:07.52 | Repo | PlayerBuff(name [, stack]) and TargetBuff(name [,stack]) reworked; read help for further infos |
| 23:07.53 | Repo | Move,ResetMove implemented ... forgot something here and there ... |
| 23:07.54 | Repo | Added: GetTime() |
| 23:07.57 | Hati | use macro to swap back |
| 23:08.00 | Hati | might be an idea |
| 23:08.20 | Znuff | Trying to have it automatically "locked" |
| 23:08.38 | mckenziemc | i think you'd have to intercept blizzard's code |
| 23:08.47 | ulic | you mean like when you switch specs? |
| 23:08.54 | Hati | i think he means stances |
| 23:08.57 | Hati | like warrior / priest stuff |
| 23:09.29 | mckenziemc | which would take a macro that you'd have to click once each session, or an addon, but it sounds like you want to avoid an addon :p |
| 23:10.09 | Hati | swapactionbar 1 6 |
| 23:10.18 | Znuff | I don't mind an addon, as long as it doesn't interfere with this UI I'm playing with |
| 23:10.29 | Kurono | is there any good text about custom AceGUI-3.0 layouts? |
| 23:10.32 | Znuff | ie: I don't want a bar replacement addon (like bartender4) |
| 23:10.36 | mckenziemc | idk what the code would be, sorry |
| 23:11.35 | Hati | Kurono: only http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-gui-3-0/ |
| 23:12.06 | Znuff | I bet ckknight knows :P |
| 23:12.31 | ckknight | yeah, not really |
| 23:13.12 | Znuff | o.O |
| 23:13.26 | Znuff | didn't realise that's such a complicated task, figured there's a setting in the blizzard ui that does that :-/ |
| 23:13.44 | ckknight | wait, what's the question? |
| 23:13.45 | ckknight | oh |
| 23:14.02 | ckknight | easy solution: install Bartender4 |
| 23:14.03 | Znuff | bar swapping, how to stop it without installing an action bar mod like bartener4 |
| 23:14.07 | Znuff | bartender4* |
| 23:14.24 | ckknight | my point stands |
| 23:14.31 | mckenziemc | he wants to keep the default appearance to match his ui |
| 23:14.42 | Znuff | Yeah, that's why :P |
| 23:14.47 | ckknight | yeah, use bartender4 |
| 23:14.56 | ckknight | it can show the blizzard UI |
| 23:14.58 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 23:15.04 | Znuff | I'm not using the blizzard ui :P |
| 23:15.37 | ckknight | oh, then you should use Bartender4 |
| 23:15.52 | Znuff | I'm using TukUI |
| 23:15.59 | mckenziemc | wait, you're using something else for your bars? or you mean you're not using the full default UI |
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| 23:16.33 | Znuff | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17749-ElvsEditTukui.html |
| 23:16.34 | mckenziemc | @project TukUI |
| 23:16.36 | Repo | mckenziemc: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/tukui/. Tukui. Game: WoW. Status: Deleted. Uploading other users work.. danki1337 (Manager/Author). Updated: 8 days ago |
| 23:16.59 | Hati | class? |
| 23:17.04 | Znuff | Resto Druid |
| 23:17.18 | Hati | remove ["DRUID"] = "[bonusbar:1,nostealth] 7; [bonusbar:1,stealth] 8; [bonusbar:2] 8; [bonusbar:3] 9; [bonusbar:4] 10;", |
| 23:17.19 | Hati | i guess |
| 23:17.33 | Hati | in BAR1.lua -> BAR5.lua |
| 23:17.49 | Repo | 10sell-o-matic-2 (experimental): 03Silmano 04a008 * b1cdfff /: [new tag, +1 commits] msg |
| 23:17.53 | Amadeo | I've been using Elv's Edit as well |
| 23:18.15 | Znuff | AH! |
| 23:18.19 | Amadeo | Will probably change sometime in the future as I always do |
| 23:18.20 | Znuff | <3 harl |
| 23:18.23 | Znuff | erm, Hati |
| 23:18.55 | Znuff | well, I don't use it on my main account. Using a friend's account and I didn't want to bother adjusting my UI to his char/spec |
| 23:19.26 | mckenziemc | so you're going to break his UI :O |
| 23:19.57 | harl | add-on settings don't get saved to the server |
| 23:20.16 | mckenziemc | oh i was thinking he was on his friend's comp |
| 23:20.16 | Znuff | they're local in SavedVariables |
| 23:20.56 | Repo | 10gnomeworks: 03lilsparky * r92 / (4 files in 2 directories): fixed a nil error in the inventory recaching code |
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| 23:24.10 | Znuff | Keybindings are saved to server :D |
| 23:24.21 | Znuff | those I'm breaking :P |
| 23:24.25 | mckenziemc | though that can be changed |
| 23:24.26 | Znuff | and action bars :D |
| 23:24.36 | Hati | cool from 5 to 100 lua errors o.o |
| 23:24.43 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 23:25.21 | Hati | auctioneer is not updated ... and iam on my bankchar first logged in since 4.0 |
| 23:25.30 | Znuff | Hmmm, apparently I can't do /cast Nature's Swiftness /cast Healing Touch |
| 23:25.41 | Nechckn | Sure it is, Hati |
| 23:25.49 | Hati | i said mine is not updated :x |
| 23:26.26 | Nechckn | Missed the "mine" part |
| 23:26.37 | Znuff | oh, works |
| 23:26.38 | Znuff | hmmm |
| 23:28.46 | Hati | yeah, was kinda vague |
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| 23:40.39 | HazRPG | oh yeah, just thought I'd mention to those that were helping me last night with my XP tracker that I've figured out the best way to do it :D |
| 23:40.57 | HazRPG | much thanks for your help guys :) |
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| 23:41.20 | mckenziemc | nice |
| 23:41.59 | HazRPG | I'd credit you guys, but the only name I could remember how to spell was mckenziemc xD |
| 23:42.08 | mckenziemc | rofl |
| 23:42.32 | HazRPG | and Nobgul |
| 23:42.44 | mckenziemc | i don't even remember who was there, i'm new here too |
| 23:42.55 | groktar | saw this in my boss' google talk status just now |
| 23:42.58 | groktar | <3 = dangles |
| 23:43.00 | groktar | what has been seen |
| 23:43.03 | groktar | cannot be unseen |
| 23:43.04 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07master * v1.6-beta-2-23-g14fbf17 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits] |
| 23:43.05 | Repo | 14fbf17: Revamped the spell configuration panel. |
| 23:43.06 | Repo | d9f385b: Modified how aura with both duration and stacks are combined in order to fix ticket #144. |
| 23:43.07 | Repo | 1295fd5: Typos. |
| 23:43.18 | HazRPG | I'm sure its saved in my log... so I'll try and skim through it :) |
| 23:43.37 | mckenziemc | groktar: that's what i originally thought it was supposed to be >< |
| 23:43.57 | HazRPG | mckenziemc: since you helped by trying to make a function to explain a way to do it, I'll show you how I did it |
| 23:44.09 | HazRPG | <== man of the open-sourced way of thinking |
| 23:44.42 | groktar | lol mckenziemc |
| 23:47.52 | HazRPG | mckenziemc: This is how I solved it: http://paste.wowace.com/qngb80kpu9yd312l/ |
| 23:48.21 | Xinhuan | /run GetGuildLevelEnabled = function() return true end if AchivementFrame_SetTabs then AchivementFrame_SetTabs() end |
| 23:48.26 | Xinhuan | apparently, a pretty fun macro |
| 23:48.26 | HazRPG | this way, I just need to call addon:UpdateXP(); and that's it |
| 23:48.32 | Xinhuan | to allow you to see all the guild achievements |
| 23:48.41 | HazRPG | oh yeah Xinhuan you helped too :) |
| 23:48.47 | HazRPG | much thanks |
| 23:48.57 | Xinhuan | oh hehe |
| 23:49.22 | HazRPG | link above is my solution to it |
| 23:49.33 | Xinhuan | code looks fine, though i think it can be simpler |
| 23:49.40 | HazRPG | ya think so? |
| 23:49.54 | HazRPG | Do tell |
| 23:50.06 | Xinhuan | simpler as in, less lines of math |
| 23:50.09 | Xinhuan | by combining lines |
| 23:50.10 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 23:50.14 | HazRPG | I will be crediting everyone who helped at the top :) |
| 23:50.21 | Xinhuan | where does ding get set to true btw? |
| 23:50.35 | HazRPG | PLAYER_LEVEL_UP |
| 23:50.44 | Xinhuan | i assume it works |
| 23:50.58 | HazRPG | it does, made some new chars to test it :) |
| 23:51.21 | HazRPG | and even tested it on an existing char to make sure it works when your XP bar isn't a 0 value |
| 23:51.34 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 23:51.53 | HazRPG | so far, no bugs that I can in my testing |
| 23:52.47 | Xinhuan | there shouldn't be any, barring XP level curve changes |
| 23:53.06 | HazRPG | how do ya mean? |
| 23:53.32 | Xinhuan | if blizz decided one day 1-80 now takes 10% less exp to lvl |
| 23:53.39 | Xinhuan | on logging in, obviously the numbers will be messed up |
| 23:54.17 | HazRPG | you mean I shouldn't have that trouble? |
| 23:54.17 | Xinhuan | nobody codes for edge cases like these anyway |
| 23:54.32 | Xinhuan | nvm |
| 23:54.36 | Xinhuan | pretend i didn't say anything |
| 23:54.47 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 23:54.53 | HazRPG | I think I get what you mean |
| 23:55.26 | HazRPG | I do have a if statement on logging in that checks that the last_max_xp is still the same value as was previously saved |
| 23:55.39 | HazRPG | along with the other stuff |
| 23:55.44 | Xinhuan | rofl, if i were you, i wouldn't even bother |
| 23:55.50 | HazRPG | lol why? |
| 23:56.10 | Xinhuan | because if users complain, i would just tell them to fuck off :) |
| 23:56.57 | mckenziemc | i'd just either not worry about it, or store the build version with the start xp in the saved variables |
| 23:57.17 | Xinhuan | an addon doesn't need to be foolproof |
| 23:57.22 | Xinhuan | addons break all the time between patches |
| 23:57.23 | mckenziemc | then if the user hasn't reset it and the build changes, you tell them it might be inaccurate |
| 23:57.25 | mckenziemc | yeah |
