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| 00:21.04 | Repo | 10broker_control: 03Morgalm * r18 Core.lua: Broker_Control |
| 00:21.05 | Repo | -fix initialization removing incubator2 options |
| 00:22.01 | Repo | 10incubator2: 03Morgalm * r24 Incubator2.toc: Incubator2 |
| 00:22.02 | Repo | -remove version in name |
| 00:22.50 | Repo | 10morg-bid2: 03Morgalm * r92 locale.lua: MorgBid2 |
| 00:22.51 | Repo | -ignore subnamespaces - thought none was the default? |
| 00:24.11 | Repo | 10broker_control: 03Morgalm 04v1.7 * r19 : Tagging as v1.7 |
| 00:25.01 | Repo | 10incubator2: 03Morgalm 04v1.2 * r25 : Tagging as v1.2 |
| 00:27.59 | Repo | 10morg-bid2: 03Morgalm 04v4.6 * r93 : Tagging as v4.6 |
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| 00:52.29 | Ackis | Torhal: ping |
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| 02:05.50 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03zhTW * r321 RatingBuster-Locale-zhTW.lua: - zhTW update |
| 02:16.47 | Amadeo | Anyone good at macros? |
| 02:17.16 | Amadeo | I got this off a site, but it doesn't seem to work in ToC |
| 02:17.28 | Amadeo | /castsequence [harm] reset=15 Charge, Intercept; [help] Intervene |
| 02:17.48 | Amadeo | for my Prot Warrior |
| 02:27.59 | Amadeo | any ideas? |
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| 02:38.03 | Amadeo | ugh, really annoying |
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| 02:47.36 | Torhal | Ackis: pong |
| 02:48.16 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r754 modules/AltNames.lua: fix other nil errors that occur due to auto update of alt names while changing zones |
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| 02:59.59 | Repo | 10combo-points-redux: 03Starinnia * r191 / (23 files in 4 directories): |
| 03:00.00 | Repo | -add the option to have a screen flash effect at a certain number of "points" |
| 03:00.01 | Repo | -Setting the threshold to 0 disables the option |
| 03:00.02 | Repo | -It is off by default |
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| 03:25.58 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r755 modules/UrlCopy.lua: fix ticket #486, need to use the additional parameter in setitemref |
| 03:28.07 | Wobin | Amadeo: what's your charge cooldown? |
| 03:28.16 | Wobin | glyphed/etc |
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| 03:39.43 | sylvanaar | http://www.wowace.com/addons/prat-3-0/tickets/485-addon-action-blocked/ |
| 03:39.52 | sylvanaar | can you set maintank from a raid frame |
| 03:39.53 | sylvanaar | ? |
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| 03:41.17 | Amadeo | Wobin: good question, let me look |
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| 03:42.14 | Amadeo | Wobin: 15s |
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| 03:47.17 | pompy | beta realms completely shut down now? |
| 03:48.58 | sylvanaar | Xinhuan: does omen let you select maintaink off the unitframe? |
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| 03:51.00 | sylvanaar | Shefki: same question for pitbull |
| 03:52.19 | pompy | sylvanaar: hes got DXE too |
| 03:52.42 | sylvanaar | yeah, but i already looked through DXE, it doesnt look like it does |
| 03:52.44 | sylvanaar | idk |
| 03:54.19 | sylvanaar | ok Shefki same questions for DXE |
| 04:00.47 | Shefki | We dont' do anything with the menus for main tanks. |
| 04:01.30 | Shefki | You can't it's protected. |
| 04:01.44 | Shefki | Only menu you can set tanks from is the /raidinfo one. |
| 04:04.40 | sylvanaar | i know |
| 04:04.48 | sylvanaar | http://www.wowace.com/addons/prat-3-0/tickets/485-addon-action-blocked/ |
| 04:04.54 | sylvanaar | i just wonder how that is possible |
| 04:12.54 | Shefki | sylvanaar: I just tested with DXE, Prat and PB4 loaded. |
| 04:12.55 | Shefki | No issues. |
| 04:12.58 | Shefki | They're on crack. |
| 04:13.08 | Shefki | Ohh wait that's set Party assignement. |
| 04:13.15 | Shefki | That's not the main tank thing. |
| 04:13.25 | Shefki | That's for the right click menu for like damager, healer, tank for 5 mans. |
| 04:13.47 | sylvanaar | does that work? |
| 04:14.02 | sylvanaar | it works for me with just prat |
| 04:14.05 | sylvanaar | or without |
| 04:16.41 | Shefki | Works for me. |
| 04:16.49 | Shefki | At least in raid which is the same function. |
| 04:20.18 | sylvanaar | cool |
| 04:20.23 | sylvanaar | thanks for the help Shefki |
| 04:20.35 | Shefki | In between shitty LK pulls. |
| 04:20.43 | Shefki | Must get someone the 21st damn mount. |
| 04:21.31 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r326 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 04:21.31 | Repo | Remove the vehicle detection code to get pitch since this seems to now break the pitch usage when getting into a vehicle. |
| 04:21.42 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.9.26-beta * r327 : Tagging as v0.9.26-beta |
| 04:23.30 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r756 .hgtags: Added tag 3.4.13 for changeset 5e72f310f72a |
| 04:23.39 | Primer | Someone was selling X53 rockets on my realm |
| 04:23.47 | Primer | and it was legit. A guildy bought two |
| 04:24.01 | Primer | I think I need to get one to test that last commit :) |
| 04:25.19 | Primer | UNIT_ENTERED_VEHICLE is triggered when a passenger enters the rocket |
| 04:25.31 | Primer | for the driver |
| 04:29.14 | pompy | Shefki: well considering invincibles gunna be a random rare drop tomorrow, might as well get that 21st mount! |
| 04:29.47 | Shefki | pompy: Sure if people would stop playing like ass. |
| 04:29.56 | pompy | sounds like my guild |
| 04:30.04 | Shefki | I want to bitch slap have this raid doing stupid shit while not haivng their mods up to date. |
| 04:30.10 | Shefki | "OMG it didn't tell me about the defile." |
| 04:30.18 | Shefki | "Ohh look your DXE is a fucking month out of date." |
| 04:30.29 | pompy | yeah we had that issue with dbm |
| 04:30.35 | pompy | idiots |
| 04:30.52 | Shefki | "But it worked last week." |
| 04:31.05 | Shefki | No it didn't retard, the bug is absolute, it doesn't sometimes work and sometimes not. |
| 04:31.29 | Amadeo | Primer: What realm? |
| 04:32.04 | Shefki | </rant> |
| 04:34.02 | Wobin | bigwigs have worked fine for me with LK |
| 04:34.09 | Wobin | we finally downed him! |
| 04:34.13 | Wobin | (10man) |
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| 04:36.50 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 2.0.5-3-g4119e81 Database/Leatherworking.lua: [+1 commit] Added the "bugged" string to the "Primalstrike" recipes in the leatherworking database |
| 04:40.34 | Repo | 10epgpwaitlist: 03nicklozon * r19 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 04:40.35 | Repo | Attempt to fix Issue #2 - nil value when player is on waitlist while on an alt. |
| 04:40.36 | Repo | This was due to the Guild Roster update passing a variable that didn't exist which is suppose to contain the Alt's name. |
| 04:41.02 | Repo | 10epgpwaitlist: 03nicklozon 040.3-b2 * r20 : 0.3-b2 |
| 04:42.37 | Kemayo | Am I right in thinking that people using the nolibs version of an addon via the curse client won't necessarily be getting the same version of the libs as those using the libbed version? |
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| 05:00.33 | Shefki | Kemayo: You're right, depends on how the .pkgmeta is setup. |
| 05:00.52 | Shefki | But then again that's true even if they're using embedded, depending on the highest version of a lib of any of the embedded addons. |
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| 05:10.57 | Repo | 10better-quest: 03Kemayo * r189 modules/autotrack/autotrack.lua: Error checking. Didn't think this one was possible. |
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| 05:14.10 | Primer | Amadeo: Gorgonnash |
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| 05:35.41 | Kemayo | Shefki: Right... I just found it weird when someone reported a bug because they had an older version of a lib than the packaged one. |
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| 05:44.04 | Hjalte | Is the display bugged or does random BGs and random heroics always give max honor / JP now, even after the first one each day? |
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| 05:46.57 | Hjalte | Anyone else getting random lag and disconnects in instances? |
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| 06:23.02 | doom0r | pleads to the droprate gods, may their maths be in his favor |
| 06:23.21 | orionshock | doom0r, sorry , RNG hates everyone equally |
| 06:23.52 | doom0r | i still want proof that wow droprates are rng and without seed taint |
| 06:24.05 | orionshock | proof? |
| 06:24.12 | orionshock | lol there is no proof, just faith |
| 06:24.23 | doom0r | exactly, never in my favor |
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| 06:41.35 | doom0r | i guess the pleading worked |
| 06:41.37 | doom0r | 1 for 23 |
| 06:41.45 | doom0r | s/23/2/ |
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| 07:04.28 | Repo | 10syllabus: 03LaoTseu 07master * 04873d9 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Convert the database to move trainers out of the skills. Code to reset the Azaroth trainers when 4.0.3a is active in place. Backup of the SaveVariables is recommended. |
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| 07:11.35 | orionshock | so anyone used the new DropDown lib that was posted on the forums? |
| 07:11.55 | Niv | NeoTron I'd imagine ;) |
| 07:12.05 | Niv | or wait |
| 07:12.12 | doom0r | yes |
| 07:12.23 | orionshock | i found it lacking tbh |
| 07:12.25 | doom0r | if that's the one orionshock is talking about |
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| 07:13.06 | orionshock | @describe LibDropdown-1.0 |
| 07:13.06 | Repo | orionshock: No project found that matches 'libdropdown-1.0' |
| 07:13.11 | orionshock | @describe LibDropdown-1-0 |
| 07:13.14 | Repo | orionshock: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libdropdown-1-0/. LibDropdown-1.0. Dropdown library for Ace3 options, extensible to other options formats. Works ok. |
| 07:13.24 | Repo | 10magicrunes: 03dhedbor * r74 MagicRunes.lua: |
| 07:13.25 | Repo | Properly hide Blizzard rune frames after exiting a vehicle and logging in. (ticket 25) |
| 07:13.54 | orionshock | it dosn't implement the info table properly so my addons break |
| 07:14.16 | Niv | that's not the one I was thinking of |
| 07:14.22 | Niv | or wait, yes it is |
| 07:14.38 | Niv | NeoTron == dhedbor |
| 07:14.49 | orionshock | don't know why he's reinventing the wheel... ace config itself handles the info table nicely |
| 07:14.54 | Repo | 10magicrunes: 03dhedbor 041.0.75 * r75 : Tagging as 1.0.75 |
| 07:15.04 | orionshock | a copy-pasta might be needed |
| 07:15.27 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 04v6.00.00 * r3031 : Tagging as v6.00.00 |
| 07:16.02 | NeoTron | sup |
| 07:16.17 | NeoTron | orionshock: to clarify, I didn't do that. Antiarc did |
| 07:16.39 | orionshock | meh |
| 07:16.41 | NeoTron | I just fixed up random bugs that lived in it. also it's completely standalone (doesn't depend on ace3) |
| 07:16.47 | Antiarc | If it's broken it's NeoTron's fault. True story. |
| 07:16.59 | Antiarc | He touched it last. |
| 07:17.01 | Niv | hehe |
| 07:17.08 | Niv | that's our rule at the office too |
| 07:17.12 | NeoTron | I'll fix it if I know what's wrong :P |
| 07:17.54 | NeoTron | I very possibly would figure it out when I make a fubar magicmarker replacement |
| 07:18.02 | NeoTron | since MagicMarker config is a lot more complex than bulkmail |
| 07:22.09 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r3032 tags/ (4 files in 4 directories): duplicate files |
| 07:22.21 | NeoTron | orionshock: and as for usage, i'm using it for Bulk Mail and Bulk Mail Inbox |
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| 07:22.53 | sbu | morgen. |
| 07:23.27 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 04v6.00.00 * r3033 : duplicate files |
| 07:23.27 | orionshock | NeoTron, what's wrong is the info table that ace3config tables / functions are expecting to get. there is a standard set of elements that are on that table that the get/set/ect functions are expecting :) |
| 07:23.52 | Slayman | mornings |
| 07:24.31 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 04v6.00.00 * r3034 : Tagging as v6.00.00 |
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| 07:29.46 | NeoTron | isn't it just the path of options? |
| 07:30.30 | Slayman | hey, how to get the duration of say S&D or recuperate if I use the ability without having a target and therefor are not getting GetComboPoints() with a target? |
| 07:35.21 | NeoTron | seems to work ok for MagicMarker options menus |
| 07:36.24 | NeoTron | not flawlessly mind you |
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| 07:43.47 | orionshock | NeoTron, it's got the entire options table as the "option" key, the specific table of the acting option in the "options" key and the numbered keys is the path yes. |
| 07:44.11 | orionshock | NeoTron, it's also got a GUI type and a few other things that i can't remember off the top of my head |
| 07:45.50 | Repo | 10libdropdown-1-0: 03dhedbor * r13 LibDropdown-1.0/LibDropdown-1.0.lua: Added support for dynamic 'select' values. |
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| 07:50.07 | NeoTron | I see |
| 07:50.12 | NeoTron | tricky. |
| 07:50.24 | NeoTron | I never knew it was more than just a numeric array |
| 07:51.10 | Torhal | It has Magic (TM) in it. |
| 07:51.46 | orionshock | consider a multiselect, your passed the key value of the option selected but what you really need is the value for something locale specific. so you access info.option.values[ key ] |
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| 07:53.08 | orionshock | or you have generic get/set functions and use db.profile[ info[ #info-1 ] ] [ info[#info] ] = value :) |
| 07:53.41 | Torhal | Or you club a baby seal, after which the options will still not function correctly. |
| 07:53.58 | orionshock | hehe... some days |
| 07:54.24 | NeoTron | clearly it's not magic required to actually operate. heh |
| 07:54.27 | NeoTron | for me that is |
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| 07:55.11 | orionshock | might be better off asking the ace3 team to copy-pasta some of their ace3config code that generates the info table |
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| 07:56.39 | NeoTron | it's definitely rediculously complex overall |
| 07:56.58 | orionshock | can be |
| 07:58.31 | orionshock | then again you can generate the path via the frames while f do p = f:GetParent() ; if f ~= UIParent then info[ #info+1] = p.leafnode, f = p else f = nil end |
| 08:05.53 | NeoTron | the path is there |
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| 08:19.59 | NeoTron | ok so I don't know what 'option' is |
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| 08:24.26 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 * r79 / (2 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 08:24.27 | Repo | * Added a detailed information window to display the specific talents and |
| 08:24.28 | Repo | abilities RaidChecklist is actually checking for. Simply clicking an entry |
| 08:24.29 | Repo | in the list toggles the detailed information window. |
| 08:24.30 | Repo | Currently it is only aware of talents and levels. More to come once I've |
| 08:24.44 | NeoTron | ah option appears to be the current option table |
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| 08:44.15 | sbu | WTF korea..... :| |
| 08:44.50 | sbu | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AM16K20101123 |
| 08:48.40 | Repo | 10bulkmail: 03dhedbor * r320 BulkMail.lua: Removed debug print. |
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| 08:51.06 | Repo | 10libdropdown-1-0: 03dhedbor * r14 LibDropdown-1.0/LibDropdown-1.0.lua: |
| 08:51.07 | Repo | - Hopefully fixed better Ace3 compatibility in the 'info' parameter to callbacks. |
| 08:51.08 | Repo | - Fixed some slider issues. |
| 08:51.18 | NeoTron | orionshock: I can't promise it will just WORK now but I think it'll work better at least.. |
| 08:53.16 | Repo | 10libdropdown-1-0: 03dhedbor 041.0.3 * r15 : Tagging as 1.0.3 |
| 08:54.05 | Repo | 10libdropdown-1-0: 03dhedbor * r16 LibDropdown-1.0/LibDropdown-1.0.lua: fixed indentation. |
| 08:56.28 | NeoTron | I think nevcairiel loves dropdowns |
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| 09:04.53 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r95 / (2 files in 2 directories): fixes for ptr, other minor fixes |
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| 09:16.30 | Adirelle|work | the ticket subscription still sucks hard |
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| 09:30.37 | doom0r | mmm red |
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| 09:34.41 | Slayman | red M&Ms oder RED the movie or RED the graphic novel/comic ? |
| 09:34.55 | doom0r | red qiraji resonating crystal |
| 09:35.30 | Slayman | got that too but here's the kicker I got mine back when we wiped on C'thun due to massive pplfailing |
| 09:35.31 | doom0r | red m&ms sound good though |
| 09:35.43 | Slayman | mine arrived today finally |
| 09:35.45 | doom0r | we saw something like 3 back then |
| 09:36.22 | Slayman | well at the point we wiped on C'Thun all 40 of us had their AW mounts |
| 09:36.49 | Slayman | AQ mounts, I had yellow and blue but threw them away once i got red |
| 09:37.06 | Repo | 10elkbuffbars: 03Elkano * r163 / (3 files in 1 directory): no with (hopefully) working right-click cancel (ooc) |
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| 09:37.37 | doom0r | i never got rid of my b/g/y |
| 09:39.28 | Slayman | I was a cheapskate and a holypriest back then I had no means of making any gold and no interest in wasting my time farming so I had little of everything incl. bagspace |
| 09:39.28 | Repo | 10ouf_adirelle: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.5.2 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits] |
| 09:39.30 | Repo | 766020e: Fixed DRData-1.0 embedding (ticket #6). |
| 09:39.31 | Repo | 239642f: Removed oUF optional deps, since we don't use standalone oUF anyway. |
| 09:39.34 | Repo | 9e2aaff: Switched from tekDebug to AdiDebug. |
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| 09:40.00 | doom0r | ah, see, i was broke, and a pally, but i was a tailor |
| 09:40.38 | Slayman | I had to borrow the money for the 100%mount back then for about half a year :D |
| 09:40.46 | Slayman | ah good times |
| 09:41.08 | doom0r | got lucky and traded one of the epic recipes for my diamond |
| 09:42.42 | Slayman | in the end I ran strat for righteous orbs with a few of the longtime players and sold some DM runs for WLs with a close friend that kept my income above zero with the crazy repping in AQ40/Naxx40 |
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| 13:15.21 | Wobin | that's a stupid penalty |
| 13:15.32 | Shirik | You're stupid |
| 13:15.37 | Wobin | your face is stupid |
| 13:15.45 | Shirik | Your mage is stupid |
| 13:15.52 | Wobin | yeah, no intellects |
| 13:16.01 | Shirik | melee mage |
| 13:16.03 | SunTsu | Shirik: While progressing and learning you ought to fuck up |
| 13:16.10 | Wobin | I think I once specced up a melee warlock |
| 13:16.14 | Wobin | it was pretty awesome |
| 13:16.27 | Shirik | SunTsu: And those that deserve the rewards will learn to fuck up less because of the penalties |
| 13:16.34 | Shirik | This is, in fact, how your entire body works |
| 13:16.47 | Shirik | There is reward and penalty circuitry in your brain |
| 13:16.57 | Shirik | And that's how you get better |
| 13:17.25 | Wobin | actually no |
| 13:17.34 | Wobin | if I have to run 10 minutes each time the raid fails |
| 13:17.38 | Wobin | I will simply stop raiding |
| 13:17.49 | SunTsu | Wobin: ack |
| 13:17.51 | Wobin | because I have better things to do then spend half an hour -running- when learning content |
| 13:17.51 | Shirik | And? |
| 13:18.02 | Wobin | I would prefer to be learning content |
| 13:18.04 | Shirik | FYI, Nefarian was not exactly "easy" |
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| 13:18.17 | Shirik | there were easier things out there |
| 13:18.18 | Wobin | The 'running' did not enhance the learning |
| 13:18.28 | SunTsu | Shirik: having penalties like that is a waste of time, my time is limited |
| 13:18.29 | Wobin | the 'running' was a time sink |
| 13:18.30 | Shirik | it's not like you were restricted to doingnefarian |
| 13:18.36 | Shirik | SunTsu: The fact that it's limited is the whole point |
| 13:18.36 | Wobin | time sinks are not teaching methods |
| 13:18.47 | Shirik | Like, I don't know how I can make this any more comprehendable |
| 13:18.51 | SunTsu | it was a sink in order making people not progress as fast as they could |
| 13:18.55 | Shirik | I'm not sure if you're intentionally missing my point or if you're just that stupid |
| 13:19.01 | Wobin | You do not strand a child 40km from the school if they fail an exam |
| 13:19.10 | Wobin | because it will make them 'learn' |
| 13:19.15 | Wobin | it will make them quit school |
| 13:19.25 | Wobin | and you will have not bettered humanity through that method |
| 13:19.28 | Shirik | Wobin: Nice strawman |
| 13:19.32 | Wobin | thank you |
| 13:19.36 | Wobin | I pulled it out of my arse |
| 13:19.42 | SunTsu | Shirik: We just disagree on what viable penalties are, calling us stupid because of that, well.. |
| 13:19.48 | Wobin | you're stupid =) |
| 13:19.53 | Shirik | No I'm not calling you stupid about what "viable penalties" are |
| 13:20.05 | Shirik | I'm calling you stupid because you seem to be completely missing the point of what value a penalty adds |
| 13:20.05 | Wobin | <Wobin> that's a stupid penalty |
| 13:20.05 | Wobin | <Shirik> You're stupid |
| 13:20.12 | Shirik | ... |
| 13:20.26 | Wobin | I say it's a stupid penalty |
| 13:20.32 | Wobin | which is a judgement on the value of that penalty |
| 13:20.40 | Wobin | I'm not saying it's -not- a penalty |
| 13:20.41 | Shirik | that was not a real "you're stupid" and you know that |
| 13:20.48 | Wobin | or the value of a penalty towards learning |
| 13:21.07 | Shirik | Would it have made more sense if I worded it "you're a stupid penalty"? |
| 13:21.12 | SunTsu | Shirik: No, I agree there should be penalties for failing, but most teaching today focusses on rewards for success instead of dire penalties |
| 13:21.19 | Wobin | I'm saying, as a negative reinforcement, it's not an effective one |
| 13:21.19 | Shirik | Yes |
| 13:21.24 | Shirik | And that's because the world has gone to hell |
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| 13:21.37 | Wobin | because it does not encourage one to continue |
| 13:21.39 | sylvaan | the end is coming |
| 13:21.40 | Shirik | "What? You spanked your child?! Jail for you!" |
| 13:21.43 | Wobin | it encourages them to give up |
| 13:21.55 | Wobin | because spending more time running, then actually doing any content is a simple waste of time |
| 13:22.25 | Shirik | I offer as evidence, exhibit A, Russel Petershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI |
| 13:22.27 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI |
| 13:22.35 | SunTsu | it takes away time you could use for learning the encounter |
| 13:22.41 | Shirik | no shit |
| 13:22.47 | Shirik | Because time is the one resource you can't recover |
| 13:22.51 | Wobin | um, when did this become about spanking? |
| 13:23.02 | Shirik | when this comment was made (08:21:11) (SunTsu) Shirik: No, I agree there should be penalties for failing, but most teaching today focusses on rewards for success instead of dire penalties |
| 13:23.03 | SunTsu | Oh, I can, I just stop doing wastes of time |
| 13:23.16 | Wobin | spanking is not a 'dire penalty' |
| 13:23.31 | Shirik | but it's a correlary |
| 13:23.31 | Wobin | abandonment is a 'dire penalty' =P |
| 13:23.39 | sylvaan | mmo = time sink |
| 13:23.42 | Wobin | nope, you just pulled that out of thin air |
| 13:23.58 | Shirik | not sure how you think that |
| 13:24.07 | Wobin | sylvaan: at it's base, but for me, mmo is time to socialise with friends |
| 13:24.13 | Shirik | it's pretty well documented that parents are moving that way |
| 13:24.21 | Wobin | So? |
| 13:24.28 | SunTsu | sylvaan: RPG has game in it, and games should be fun, else their no games ;) |
| 13:24.29 | Wobin | what's that got to do with corpse runs? =P |
| 13:24.32 | Shirik | what |
| 13:24.43 | Shirik | SunTsu is the one that made the comment, not me |
| 13:24.44 | sylvanaar | of course |
| 13:24.52 | Wobin | he never mentioned spanking |
| 13:25.00 | Shirik | (08:21:23) (+Shirik) And that's because the world has gone to hell |
| 13:25.03 | Wobin | you just pulled it out of thin air |
| 13:25.04 | Shirik | Like |
| 13:25.15 | Shirik | I'd prefer not to quote 10 lines |
| 13:25.33 | Shirik | You can't just take the first line and the last line and say "how did you get there" |
| 13:25.47 | Wobin | Isn't this the internet? |
| 13:25.49 | Wobin | I totally can |
| 13:26.06 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 13:28.17 | SunTsu | Shirik: still those logic gaps remind me of the place where Dalaran used to be |
| 13:28.26 | Shirik | there is no logic gap |
| 13:28.31 | sylvanaar | dalran |
| 13:28.37 | Wobin | SunTsu: with the fact that the crater doesn't quite match the bottom of the floating island? |
| 13:28.40 | sylvanaar | is where dalran used to be |
| 13:28.43 | Shirik | unless you choose not to read what I'm saying, which is increasingly becoming my belief of what's going on here |
| 13:29.10 | Shirik | then again, with no penalty for not reading it, you can quite easily choose not to |
| 13:29.16 | Shirik | See how that works? |
| 13:29.28 | Wobin | spends the next 20min reading scrollback |
| 13:29.34 | Wobin | learns nothing |
| 13:29.40 | Wobin | See how that works? |
| 13:29.50 | Shirik | That was a really fast 20min |
| 13:29.54 | Shirik | Are you in a black hole? |
| 13:30.26 | Shirik | I guess I would have to be |
| 13:30.37 | Wobin | crushes stars |
| 13:30.40 | Shirik | Maybe you're in a white hole? |
| 13:30.48 | Shirik | like alabama |
| 13:30.54 | Shirik | ok that was bad |
| 13:31.06 | sylvanaar | did you just make that up now |
| 13:31.15 | sylvanaar | its clever, but bad |
| 13:31.48 | sylvanaar | i loled |
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| 13:40.23 | harl | just rolleyeses |
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| 14:17.35 | Znuff | I just HAVE to get this off my chet |
| 14:17.38 | Znuff | Chest* |
| 14:17.54 | Znuff | To all Addon authors out there: stop with the damn Minimap buttons |
| 14:19.02 | mitch0 | znuff: Bazooka has an option to turn them off :P |
| 14:19.05 | Bluspacecow | lolz |
| 14:19.19 | Znuff | Everything has an option to turn them on |
| 14:19.21 | Znuff | off/on, I mean |
| 14:19.30 | mitch0 | nono, I mean, bazooka kills them all |
| 14:19.33 | mitch0 | with one checkbox. |
| 14:19.35 | Znuff | but I hate the fact that *all* addons have them on by default |
| 14:19.37 | mitch0 | (default to kill) |
| 14:19.40 | Znuff | Cool |
| 14:20.09 | Znuff | Who even uses those annoying minimap buttons for addons? :-/ |
| 14:20.35 | mitch0 | (well, it kills LDB type minimap buttons, there could be some self-crafted ones out there) |
| 14:20.35 | Znuff | I mean, I like the default ones wow comes with, but all addons just seem to want to stick to my minimap! |
| 14:20.54 | mitch0 | yeah, well, thing is, someone made a lib to make that easy ;) |
| 14:21.10 | Bluspacecow | and everyone uses it cause its so easy ? |
| 14:21.17 | mitch0 | apparently |
| 14:21.30 | Znuff | Addons should have a check like, if dumb.user has ldb addon { stop with the mofo buttons } |
| 14:22.02 | Znuff | I'm thinking, why the f* would I want a DBM minimap button? |
| 14:22.24 | mitch0 | znuff: just install Bazooka and be happier forever :) you'll also advance me towards my next $500 by a very very small step :) |
| 14:22.42 | Znuff | Won't that kill other LDB stuff? Just asking |
| 14:23.25 | mitch0 | well, preferably you should use Bazooka _as_ your LDB display, but of course you can configure it to not show any plugins and hide its bar |
| 14:23.44 | mitch0 | but then you'd probably be better off nagging your LDB display's author to include the kill-minimap-buttons feature |
| 14:24.19 | Znuff | I'm fond of my chocolatebar |
| 14:24.22 | mitch0 | (but really, just switch to Bazooka from whatever you're using currently :) |
| 14:24.41 | mitch0 | znuff: does it kill minimap buttons for you? |
| 14:24.51 | mitch0 | does it allow tooltip scaling? |
| 14:24.52 | Znuff | Except that, why should I? |
| 14:25.01 | mitch0 | does it allow click-thru in combat? |
| 14:25.23 | mitch0 | erm, |
| 14:25.29 | mitch0 | dunno, just check Bazooka :P |
| 14:25.36 | Znuff | why would I click-tru in combat? o.O |
| 14:25.57 | mitch0 | to not accidently open the friggin huge config options in the middle of a hot pvp fight? |
| 14:26.37 | Znuff | In Combat: |
| 14:26.49 | Znuff | Disable Tooltips, Disable Options, Disable Clicking, Hide Bars |
| 14:27.09 | mitch0 | well, then your answer to that particular question would be "yes" :) |
| 14:27.55 | mitch0 | ok, here's one: does it have left - center-left - center - center-right - right bar positions? :) |
| 14:28.06 | Znuff | left, center, right |
| 14:28.15 | Znuff | don't think I need center-left and center-right o.O |
| 14:28.30 | mitch0 | you don't until you realise you really do |
| 14:28.40 | Znuff | nah, I've cut down on ldb addons |
| 14:28.48 | Znuff | barely got to fill the bars |
| 14:29.31 | mitch0 | meh, file a ticket to CB's author to add the kill-switch then. you'll miss a superior display though ;) |
| 14:29.44 | Bluspacecow | no |
| 14:29.46 | mitch0 | (just kidding, CB could be super cool for all I know) |
| 14:30.04 | Bluspacecow | its right right right left right square button up up down x button |
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| 14:31.47 | Znuff | wut? |
| 14:31.58 | Bluspacecow | wait |
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| 14:32.00 | mitch0 | he accidently his ps2 controller |
| 14:32.00 | Bluspacecow | wrong script |
| 14:32.46 | Axodious | there a list of base stats for class/race @ 85? |
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| 14:53.56 | Elkano | nyone tried latest EBB alpha? |
| 14:54.11 | Ackis | when was it posted? |
| 14:54.21 | Ackis | is always using EBB alpha's |
| 14:56.05 | Killmore | where where ? |
| 14:58.11 | Killmore | r163 ? didnt try it yet, but I was using r160 then r162 when you release it |
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| 15:31.59 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/splititems-otf/. SplitItems (On-The-Fly). xhatix (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis. |
| 15:32.01 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/splititems-otf-merchant/. SplitItems (On-The-Fly) Merchant. xhatix (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis. |
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| 15:32.26 | Repo | Healing taken debuff now 10% down from 25% for patch 4.0.3a. |
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| 15:54.27 | Repo | - AtlasIntegration now only loads if we have a atlas installed and the versionnumber is higher or the same like ATLASLOOT_MIN_ATLAS |
| 15:54.28 | Repo | Someone must add a good warnings message if the atlas is not compatible (AtlasIntegration.lua, LINE 19, "DUMMYTEXT") |
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| 15:54.29 | Repo | - Fix wishlist bug with save items and CharDb WishList |
| 15:54.44 | Repo | - Fix wishlist bug with delete item |
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| 16:17.49 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r3039 / (2 files in 2 directories): incompatible Atlas text added |
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| 16:20.16 | ccKep | so.. Humbedooh's having too much free time again, huh? |
| 16:20.33 | Humbedooh | pft, it's pure lua awesomeness |
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| 16:21.34 | Dark_Elf | new patch plays the cataclysm video at launch pretty cool |
| 16:21.43 | ccKep | US servers already up? |
| 16:22.22 | ulic | video plays prior to login iirc |
| 16:22.28 | Dark_Elf | and they changed the login screen to the cataclysm dragon lot better than than screeching other dragon they had |
| 16:23.18 | Dark_Elf | no servers arent up but the 27mb patch deploys |
| 16:23.44 | Aens|Superiority | he doesn't roar :( |
| 16:24.45 | ccKep | hope deathwing's starting to fly around and grill some people :D |
| 16:24.46 | Niv | wtb race change enabled for my pally ;) |
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| 16:26.49 | nevcairiel | Aens|Superiority: he should, he just does it very rarely |
| 16:27.19 | durcyn | Niv: seriously, can i be a dwarf warlock yet |
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| 16:28.11 | nevcairiel | I'm kinda sad the only other race for shamans is dwarves |
| 16:28.13 | nevcairiel | wanted something cool |
| 16:28.36 | Motig | like Worgen! |
| 16:28.39 | Humbedooh | gnome paladins!! |
| 16:29.38 | jnwhiteh | gnome priest imo |
| 16:30.30 | Niv | tauren paladin go |
| 16:30.36 | Niv | no more dirty blood elves on my account |
| 16:30.55 | nevcairiel | Anyone in here that happend to run Mapster on beta and fully explored twilight highlands? |
| 16:31.04 | Dark_Elf | i just wish they would of expanded the 50 character limit |
| 16:31.04 | nevcairiel | i failed to explore it and gather data before they shut the realms down :P |
| 16:31.10 | sylvanaar_work | everyone seems to hate belfs but they are usually the most common race on horde (right now) |
| 16:31.25 | Niv | that's the alliance rerollers |
| 16:31.25 | Ackis | belfs are annoying |
| 16:31.32 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
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| 16:32.01 | sylvanaar_work | i rerolled, but there was only one race for me to choose from |
| 16:32.12 | Niv | ;) |
| 16:32.20 | Niv | you can fix that today |
| 16:32.27 | sylvanaar_work | meh, i didnt like troll on beta |
| 16:32.33 | pompy | nevcairiel: i think i did |
| 16:32.34 | Niv | oh druid |
| 16:32.39 | Niv | yea, screw that |
| 16:32.40 | Niv | cows rock |
| 16:32.45 | sylvanaar_work | yeh |
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| 16:32.46 | nevcairiel | pompy: i needs your Mapster SV file, then =) |
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| 16:44.52 | nebula169 | ~wowalert |
| 16:44.52 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 16:46.16 | Veight` | purl: did you notice that that alert says "03:00 until 11:00, Paris time." |
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| 16:47.20 | Veight` | Er, i'm stupid. Duh. thats wow-europe.. |
| 16:47.41 | Slayman | nevcairiel: you thought about adding recuperate into HotCandy? like a little? I'd write some code and your addon is really nicely written and commented but I fail at the point where recups duration is 6*GetComboPoints |
| 16:48.15 | nevcairiel | now that would be annoying |
| 16:48.26 | nevcairiel | it only has spell with a well defined length |
| 16:48.30 | nevcairiel | spells* |
| 16:48.41 | SunTsu | yay for a lvl74 priest trying to duel a lvl27 mage, stating "Don't be boring" |
| 16:48.47 | Slayman | yeah I saw that, which is why I as a scrub failed in my tries |
| 16:48.59 | nevcairiel | Its only really meant for healing classes |
| 16:49.24 | Slayman | that's why MendPet is there but Spirit Mend ain't huh :D just poking you |
| 16:49.24 | nevcairiel | i only added mend pet because someone asked and its just a plain old hot |
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| 16:50.22 | nevcairiel | spirit mend probably doesnt work because the pet is the caster, not you |
| 16:50.35 | Slayman | figured |
| 16:51.23 | Slayman | Clog as far as I can tell shows "PetName's Spritit Mend heals RetardedBelf for <a minute amount>" |
| 16:51.59 | Slayman | let's grind the portalbosses a little shall we? :D |
| 16:51.59 | nevcairiel | yeah, i dont feel like adding special cases for freaking huntards :P |
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| 16:52.27 | Slayman | BM Huntards with a bad case of Pokemania no less :D |
| 16:52.50 | Slayman | spirit beasts are rare mofos |
| 16:53.11 | Repo | 10libsql (experimental): 03Humbedooh * r19 LibSQL-1.0.lua: Fixed a few glitches in the search functions when using Acquire(). |
| 16:53.12 | Repo | Added the "AT" parameter for specifying an alternate field order. |
| 16:53.46 | Slayman | whoever wrote AddOnLoader AND got some cool ppl to use it: thank you :D |
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| 16:56.22 | Slayman | Did I miss Cairne dying, is it only in the novel or why is Baine High Chieftain already? |
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| 16:58.24 | Niv | it's only in the novel afaik |
| 16:58.35 | Niv | there might be some quests post shattering today |
| 16:58.50 | Niv | but I haven't seen it |
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| 16:59.07 | Niv | they had some of the thrall story in pre-patch |
| 16:59.07 | Slayman | there is no ebook of the novel for me to pirate is there? |
| 16:59.17 | Niv | it's on itunes / amazon |
| 16:59.18 | Niv | so likely |
| 16:59.28 | Niv | I can give you a summary if you want :) |
| 16:59.30 | Slayman | ooh nice brb DLing the novel |
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| 16:59.49 | Slayman | na I'd like sth to read, possibly even in engl. |
| 17:00.32 | sylvanaar_work | its really short |
| 17:00.45 | Niv | yea, I read it on the train after blizzcon |
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| 17:01.02 | SunTsu | yay for adding mobs to cities that onehit low levels |
| 17:01.21 | Niv | take the portals out of the city :P |
| 17:01.27 | Slayman | they 4shot my mage if I don't interrupt |
| 17:02.15 | SunTsu | Niv: If I could only reach the portal. I can't even port, I die as soon as I revive myself... |
| 17:02.33 | Slayman | the mobs are not aggressive |
| 17:02.45 | Niv | y lvl 1s are there |
| 17:02.48 | Niv | my* |
| 17:02.52 | Niv | and I have no problems |
| 17:03.30 | Slayman | as long as you don't stand in range of CL targets you are fine |
| 17:03.32 | SunTsu | I'm in TB and get killed over and over again, I think I revive at the grave yard |
| 17:03.52 | Niv | go put your lowbies in UC :P |
| 17:03.56 | Slayman | windeles have ChainLightning the are bad |
| 17:04.09 | koaschten | pfff Org AH all the way |
| 17:04.19 | SunTsu | great, as soon as spirit healer is in range it fades.. |
| 17:04.20 | Niv | mine are in org bank |
| 17:05.01 | SunTsu | actually, I'm trying to do the pilgrim quests to skill up cooking |
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| 17:22.49 | Slayman | thankfully my priest and vanillachar possess all cooking recipes in game except for the roguetea |
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| 17:32.01 | Killmore | i want my server online :( |
| 17:34.37 | Slayman | tomorrow I'm putting a portal to OG in the place where it usually resides in Dala and watch the ppl rage in TradeChat |
| 17:35.23 | Niv | get one in each slot |
| 17:35.23 | Niv | be a pro |
| 17:35.24 | Slayman | I'm a single Mage |
| 17:35.37 | Slayman | and I have no friends thank goodness so no |
| 17:35.50 | arkanes_ | you can't, there will be a class trainer standing in the way |
| 17:36.00 | Slayman | nope not for horde |
| 17:36.08 | arkanes_ | yeah huh |
| 17:36.16 | arkanes_ | I guess he's not *right* in the way |
| 17:36.19 | Slayman | they will gather in front of the well not in place of the portals |
| 17:36.58 | arkanes_ | speaking of gathering, I really need an SSD |
| 17:37.13 | arkanes_ | in a firewire enclosure |
| 17:37.14 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03arith * r3040 Locales/constants.en.lua: remove redundant entry |
| 17:37.38 | Slayman | aren't the only ext SSDs by now USB3 |
| 17:37.59 | arkanes_ | probably :( |
| 17:38.18 | arkanes_ | but i have a free firewire port, while for USB I have only a highly loaded USB 2 hub |
| 17:38.25 | Slayman | firewire ist too slow |
| 17:38.46 | arkanes_ | 480mbs is good enough for me! |
| 17:39.06 | durcyn | http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=firewire+800+SSD man i wish there was a way to search for shit like that. |
| 17:39.45 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03arith * r3041 Locales/constants.tw.lua: zhTW update |
| 17:40.29 | arkanes_ | newegg only has magnetic ones |
| 17:40.46 | arkanes_ | and only 2 of them, in 8tb and 16tb sizes |
| 17:40.47 | arkanes_ | crazy |
| 17:41.18 | arkanes_ | I was figuring I'd get an sata one and use an enclosure though |
| 17:41.40 | nevcairiel | firewire is dead, long live usb3 and esata! |
| 17:42.27 | arkanes_ | my boss hinted at trying to get me a bonus this year |
| 17:42.36 | arkanes_ | if he does, I can buy a whole brand new PC |
| 17:42.36 | nevcairiel | i just got one |
| 17:42.54 | nevcairiel | not enough for a whole new PC, but i can get some new parts |
| 17:43.27 | arkanes_ | mine should be on the order of 30% of my salary |
| 17:43.39 | arkanes_ | so a pretty significant chunk |
| 17:43.44 | nevcairiel | monthly, or yearly sallary? :d |
| 17:43.51 | nevcairiel | -l |
| 17:44.00 | arkanes_ | heh I'd like to see yearly |
| 17:44.11 | arkanes_ | monthly is more likely |
| 17:44.45 | nevcairiel | mine was around 30% monthly too, but something i would consider a "brand new PC" would be more =) |
| 17:44.59 | nevcairiel | hm, i changed my sentence mid-writing again |
| 17:45.18 | arkanes_ | I'm hitting them up for a raise thats on the order of the 30% yearly |
| 17:45.32 | arkanes_ | so perhaps I will get it based on yearly |
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| 17:48.44 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03arith * r3042 / (5 files in 5 directories): zhTW TOC update |
| 17:49.07 | Repo | 10ahsearch: 03kunda * r83 / (4 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 17:49.08 | Repo | AHsearch: |
| 17:49.09 | Repo | - bugfix (FrameLevel) |
| 17:49.10 | Repo | - max. frame width is now 250 px (was 225) |
| 17:49.11 | Repo | - max. frame height is now 50 rows (was 40) |
| 17:51.14 | Slayman | my bonus was disappointing as well this year also at 30% |
| 17:51.42 | Slayman | but if your salary is the lowest among your peers that sucks |
| 17:51.57 | Yoshimo | if i sell&buy stuff on the neutral ah, how much will it cost me? |
| 17:52.07 | arkanes_ | we don't normally get bonuses |
| 17:52.19 | arkanes_ | we're going through a merger, and I'm taking the opportunity to agitate for higher pay |
| 17:52.27 | arkanes_ | so this would be a retention bonus |
| 17:52.39 | Slayman | Yoshimo: comission is 15% |
| 17:54.21 | Slayman | due to last years hardship we didn't spend enough money this year so the last 3 months they were basically giving it away in the shape of trainings and some new equipment and stuff like that, salary however not an option |
| 17:54.55 | arkanes_ | newegg should have a "price/gb" sort option |
| 17:55.17 | Yoshimo | would mean if i need 4900 gold on the alliance side i need to post stuff for about 5700 on the neutral ah? |
| 17:58.18 | harl | http://www.windwolf.de/wow/WoWScrnShot_112310_185113.jpg |
| 17:58.31 | harl | (totally unrelated) |
| 17:59.35 | Slayman | harl: does one need to understand anything particular in the ss ? |
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| 18:00.51 | durcyn | that is the ugliest fucking screenshot i've seen in years |
| 18:01.02 | oscarucb | Is there any way to retrieve the GUID for an arbitrary character name? |
| 18:01.13 | nevcairiel | only if he chats with you |
| 18:01.21 | oscarucb | what if hes in guild? |
| 18:01.33 | nevcairiel | dont think that works |
| 18:01.49 | oscarucb | crap. |
| 18:02.07 | durcyn | you need a valid unit token or a cache of one |
| 18:02.16 | nevcairiel | you either need a unit id, or you need to see any chat message of him |
| 18:02.21 | durcyn | well, or combat log activity |
| 18:02.25 | nevcairiel | or that |
| 18:02.33 | oscarucb | that really stinks |
| 18:03.21 | Slayman | I think we lost harl cuz we didn't recognise the epicness of his ss |
| 18:03.31 | nevcairiel | epic fail maybe |
| 18:03.33 | oscarucb | the guild tab shows me all sorts of information about an offline guildy, but I cant retrieve a guid? |
| 18:03.40 | nevcairiel | thats right |
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| 18:05.44 | Mirrormn | I don't think the concept of a guid even has any meaning for someone who is offline |
| 18:06.07 | oscarucb | sure it does - guid are permanent for a given toon, unless you server xfer |
| 18:06.08 | Mirrormn | isn't the point of a guid to be a unique identifier for a single object that currently exists in the game world? |
| 18:06.24 | Shefki | PC's have set GUIDs. |
| 18:06.40 | oscarucb | which is why it would be nice to be able to retrieve them |
| 18:06.51 | durcyn | you can retrieve them, just not from everywhere. |
| 18:06.52 | oscarucb | since a player name is basically equivalent |
| 18:06.55 | Mirrormn | well you could cache them |
| 18:07.04 | oscarucb | yeah, yuk |
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| 18:07.28 | durcyn | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:07.56 | oscarucb | I need to get GUID for guildies |
| 18:08.51 | arkanes_ | well you can't do that |
| 18:08.58 | durcyn | yes, and then? |
| 18:09.00 | arkanes_ | so you have to do something else instead |
| 18:09.03 | oscarucb | yeah then im stuck |
| 18:09.20 | arkanes_ | so what are you going to do with the guids? Maybe theres some other approach to your problem |
| 18:09.27 | oscarucb | nope, hsa to be guids |
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| 18:10.05 | durcyn | nothing more annoying than someone who won't explain the actual problem instead of what he thinks it is |
| 18:10.12 | durcyn | why do you need guids |
| 18:10.19 | oscarucb | basically forging links, which require a guid |
| 18:11.26 | evl | Reins of the Raven Lord |
| 18:11.28 | evl | score! |
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| 18:12.15 | Mirrormn | hmm |
| 18:12.32 | Mirrormn | I get the feeling today is going to be one of those days where maintenance gets extended 100 times |
| 18:12.33 | Slayman | evl: CHEATER |
| 18:12.38 | nevcairiel | You can get the profession link even from offline members, maybe that contains the guid? :D |
| 18:12.49 | oscarucb | no actually you cannot get the link |
| 18:12.54 | oscarucb | that is the link i am trying to forge |
| 18:13.00 | Mirrormn | I still say cache them |
| 18:13.05 | oscarucb | but its impossible without a guid |
| 18:13.08 | harl | yeah.. i so don't care what trolls think about my interface.. so, whatever.. |
| 18:13.30 | oscarucb | if you could get the link directly i wouldnt need to forge it but that seems to be impossible |
| 18:13.31 | harl | it's not finished either |
| 18:15.18 | Mirrormn | if you can't get a profession link for someone who is offline |
| 18:15.30 | Mirrormn | is there even any guarantee that it would work correctly if you forged it? |
| 18:15.34 | oscarucb | cant even get it for someone online unless they link it to you |
| 18:15.42 | durcyn | i could've sworn i was able to pull profession links from offline guildmembers |
| 18:15.44 | oscarucb | and yes, if I had the guid it would work |
| 18:15.47 | durcyn | otherwise what's the point |
| 18:15.56 | oscarucb | you can open a trade window, but not get a link |
| 18:16.13 | arkanes_ | does the link button in the trade window work? |
| 18:16.25 | oscarucb | it doesnt even exist when opened from guild tab |
| 18:16.30 | oscarucb | and the APIs return nil |
| 18:16.48 | arkanes_ | well that makes some sense then |
| 18:17.01 | oscarucb | the TradeSkill UI opened from guild looks like the old familiar one but under the covers its completely different |
| 18:17.05 | arkanes_ | the game probably doesn't have access to a GUI either ;) |
| 18:17.12 | arkanes_ | er, GUID |
| 18:17.32 | oscarucb | ridiculous - they almost certainly index their internal tables of everything by guid |
| 18:17.38 | oscarucb | they just dont expose it |
| 18:17.41 | Primer | I'm reading the patch notes here...Mage: Damage increased, increased, cooldown lowered, etc....Warlock: Damage reduced, reduced, reduced |
| 18:18.02 | Primer | Makes me wonder what kind of crack Blizz is smoking |
| 18:18.10 | durcyn | kalgan still plays a mage |
| 18:18.16 | harl | durcyn: you can if they've been online at least once |
| 18:18.17 | arkanes_ | yes clearly the changes have entirely no basis |
| 18:18.22 | nevcairiel | You know whats funny, Curse is hiring a Python dev, among the responisbilites it says modifying existing software, but in all the details given, it doesnt say implement new flashy features, just bug fixing and performance improvement. Shall i give up all hope for ever getting new features on WoWAce? :P |
| 18:18.44 | Primer | nevcairiel: yes |
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| 18:19.17 | oscarucb | the mage/lock change im pissed about is the change to meta reqts |
| 18:19.22 | oscarucb | thats gonna suck |
| 18:19.48 | arkanes_ | that one that requries more blue gems than anything else? |
| 18:19.52 | oscarucb | yeah |
| 18:19.57 | oscarucb | BS imo |
| 18:19.57 | arkanes_ | yeah that is pretty sucky |
| 18:20.12 | oscarucb | and only dps are getting the shaft - the other metas are all reasonable |
| 18:20.14 | arkanes_ | it's not nearly as nasty as you might think at 85 though |
| 18:20.26 | Slayman | that'll require alotta theorycrafting if it's worth it |
| 18:20.33 | oscarucb | ^^^ |
| 18:20.34 | arkanes_ | you need a *lot* of hit rating to cap at 85 |
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| 18:20.47 | oscarucb | in what tier gear? |
| 18:20.52 | durcyn | i don't see it being a problem with hit being a blue stat |
| 18:20.54 | arkanes_ | t11 |
| 18:20.57 | durcyn | you can always reforge out of it |
| 18:21.00 | arkanes_ | the amount you need will only go up too |
| 18:21.07 | Mirrormn | it's like 1300-1500 rating to cap hit at 85 isn't it? |
| 18:21.09 | oscarucb | if they follow their pattern by the end of this expansion you'll have way more hit than you know what to do with |
| 18:21.17 | arkanes_ | you need more hit with every tier |
| 18:21.17 | nevcairiel | indeed, needed hit goes up, and you can reforge it away on gear, if you insist |
| 18:21.20 | oscarucb | just from the high-end epics |
| 18:21.30 | arkanes_ | so you'll have to keep getting more |
| 18:21.46 | oscarucb | physical dps have the same meta reqt and they need far less hit |
| 18:21.50 | arkanes_ | its not as present on gear as it is now either |
| 18:21.50 | oscarucb | well in most cases |
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| 18:22.02 | arkanes_ | it hurts phys dps more |
| 18:22.12 | arkanes_ | paladins and DKs specifically |
| 18:22.16 | oscarucb | and hunters |
| 18:22.24 | arkanes_ | yeah them too |
| 18:22.24 | Mirrormn | also Primer, in my guild, there is a warlock who is #1 on DPS since 4.0.1, where I (mage) was #1 on DPS before |
| 18:22.29 | arkanes_ | rogues and fury warriros are okay |
| 18:22.33 | arkanes_ | they' |
| 18:22.51 | Primer | Mirrormn: you're bad |
| 18:23.02 | arkanes_ | the mage/lock changes are for 85 balance, mage DPS at 80 was due in large part to mana and crit/haste scaling that you simply won't have at 85 |
| 18:23.11 | Mirrormn | no, I'm quite good |
| 18:23.18 | Mirrormn | just the warlock is better =/ |
| 18:23.38 | durcyn | this is the way of the world. |
| 18:24.10 | Slayman | sooo many mounts I didn't get/couldn't get |
| 18:24.14 | Slayman | FML |
| 18:24.17 | durcyn | they only removed two |
| 18:24.25 | durcyn | and by two i mean seven |
| 18:24.34 | arkanes_ | anyone who looks at the patch notes and freaks out about changes is being ridiculous anyway |
| 18:24.38 | Slayman | ZF Bear, tribute chest mounts ZG mounts |
| 18:24.57 | arkanes_ | blizzard hasn't put a class in a position of utter DPS uselessness since classic |
| 18:25.10 | groktar | mwahahaha |
| 18:25.12 | durcyn | keep farming Anzu, it's cooler anyway :) |
| 18:25.19 | groktar | 42 second query is now running in 80 milliseconds |
| 18:25.19 | groktar | go me |
| 18:25.28 | Mirrormn | I dunno, hunters and warriors were pretty damn bad at first in 4.0.1 |
| 18:25.30 | arkanes_ | groktar: hooray |
| 18:25.33 | Slayman | the only char that can solo that is my hunter he doesn't have the rep ^^ |
| 18:25.34 | groktar | :D |
| 18:25.34 | nevcairiel | groktar: you removed it? |
| 18:25.43 | Mirrormn | and mages were so ridiculous |
| 18:25.51 | Mirrormn | as were paladins, iirc |
| 18:25.55 | groktar | had to change a table structure around and add an index on 3 columns |
| 18:26.04 | Mirrormn | but they fixed all that pretty quickly |
| 18:26.11 | groktar | <- tard that designed the fail table/query to begin with |
| 18:27.03 | Megalon | database design |
| 18:27.07 | Megalon | a good skill toi have ;) |
| 18:27.28 | Primer | Slayman: I have 43 Shadowfrost shards :/ |
| 18:27.34 | Primer | talk about not getting something... |
| 18:27.53 | arkanes_ | I'm not sure those patch notes are complete, too |
| 18:28.01 | arkanes_ | I don't see the divine plea -> hp change |
| 18:28.28 | arkanes_ | Primer: its not going away |
| 18:28.29 | Megalon | but groktar, i'm impressed how you managed a 50000% decrease in performance :D |
| 18:28.34 | arkanes_ | Primer: you've still got 2 weeks! |
| 18:29.09 | groktar | lol |
| 18:29.26 | Slayman | Primer: I don't even know what those are :D^^ |
| 18:29.33 | groktar | i think i also had some funky data in my local environment |
| 18:29.42 | groktar | i doubt it would have been that slow for most users |
| 18:29.51 | Primer | arkanes_: I know it's not going away, but I was hoping to have Shadowmourne for leveling |
| 18:30.05 | arkanes_ | you'll replace it by 82 anyway :\ |
| 18:30.05 | Primer | arkanes_: I can't get people to come to ICC 25 any more |
| 18:30.16 | Primer | well, there's the e-peen factor |
| 18:30.57 | Primer | I had actually still been running ICC 25 up until week before last...but I missed last week's lockout |
| 18:31.10 | Primer | since that run sucked ass, as all I could get were undergeared scrubs |
| 18:33.07 | Slayman | Primer those are for the legendary axe i remember |
| 18:33.31 | Primer | yeah, I need 50 |
| 18:33.42 | Primer | I'm a bit upset that I couldn't get a run going last lockout |
| 18:33.50 | Primer | so many people still don't understand the new lockout system |
| 18:34.02 | Primer | "It's 5/12...wtf?" |
| 18:34.12 | Primer | "Ok, check your /raidinfo and if you have ICC, leave" |
| 18:34.16 | Primer | crickets... |
| 18:34.28 | Primer | start kicking people one group at a time until you find the person |
| 18:34.34 | Primer | "Uhhh I can't zone in..." |
| 18:34.46 | Primer | 24 people berating that person via /m |
| 18:35.02 | arkanes_ | I think they're planning on improving that somewhat |
| 18:35.27 | arkanes_ | there was something about it mentioned at blizzcon, letting you see your raid members lockout info or something |
| 18:35.30 | Primer | Just need a way for the raid leader to identify who's locked to what. That's all |
| 18:35.51 | arkanes_ | making everyone link their lockout to you should work |
| 18:35.58 | Primer | except it doesn't |
| 18:36.06 | arkanes_ | :( |
| 18:36.23 | Primer | Because you can't link if you're not locked |
| 18:36.34 | arkanes_ | ah of course |
| 18:36.36 | Primer | And the asshole is the one that's sure he's not locked and tells you that |
| 18:36.43 | Primer | and doesn't check his /raidinfo |
| 18:37.59 | Slayman | sth like that should be baked into bossmods, they are kinda mandatory anyway |
| 18:38.31 | arkanes_ | that would actually be a good idea |
| 18:38.33 | Primer | I'm guessing there's no way to check that programatically |
| 18:38.41 | arkanes_ | along the same lines as the old resist/reagent/repair check |
| 18:38.52 | Slayman | yupp |
| 18:38.57 | arkanes_ | it should be possible |
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| 18:39.48 | Primer | then get on it! |
| 18:39.55 | Slayman | only it need to be done in DBM and BigWigs and whatever else accepted BossMod ist out there |
| 18:40.09 | arkanes_ | DXE, DBM, bigwigs |
| 18:40.22 | arkanes_ | I don't think theres anything else with any substantial usage |
| 18:40.40 | Slayman | and it would only be good if it is possible to Crosscomunicate tough lcuk |
| 18:42.00 | arkanes_ | yeah the info is all readily accessible |
| 18:42.00 | arkanes_ | instanceName, instanceID, instanceReset, instanceDifficulty, locked, extended, instanceIDMostSig, isRaid, maxPlayers, difficultyName = GetSavedInstanceInfo(index); |
| 18:42.21 | Primer | Is there no way to change the status of a ticket AND post a comment at the same time on wowace? |
| 18:42.23 | arkanes_ | so it'd be pretty simple to just wire that up to a comms |
| 18:42.53 | Primer | arkanes_: or just make a quick macro even |
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| 18:45.33 | Megalon | http://gizmodo.com/5697330/iphone-app-enlarges-your-penis-through-hypnotherapy |
| 18:45.41 | Primer | oh, I didn't read that right |
| 18:45.48 | Primer | that's just for you |
| 18:46.03 | Primer | index isn't a raid index, but instance index |
| 18:46.27 | arkanes_ | its a number in the range 1..GetNumSavedInstances(), yeah |
| 18:46.46 | arkanes_ | there's no way to directly get someone elses, but baking it into a bossmod is entirely feasable |
| 18:46.58 | Primer | indeed |
| 18:47.12 | Primer | or BigBrother |
| 18:47.22 | Primer | should suggest that to the author |
| 18:48.25 | Primer | oscarucb: hey, you're here! Get on that! BTW, BB doesn't properly report paladin interrupts. |
| 18:48.43 | arkanes_ | well big brother isn't something you can require of pug members |
| 18:48.55 | arkanes_ | and neither (anymore) is ORA, which is where it fits the best |
| 18:49.00 | Primer | right... |
| 18:49.12 | arkanes_ | but bigwigs/dxe/dbm is |
| 18:49.53 | Slayman | ORA would be perfect but noone uses it anymore, I know I don't |
| 18:50.08 | arkanes_ | I do, but I'm the only one in my guild I think |
| 18:50.18 | Primer | Anyone know if there is an event that's triggered when the "current POI" changes? |
| 18:50.20 | arkanes_ | its not the near-universal requirement it used to be |
| 18:50.30 | Slayman | sadly no |
| 18:51.12 | Primer | I'd like to add the ability to track the current quest in my addon. I had done this with QuestHelper, but it itself allowed for registering a callback for when it determined this |
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| 18:52.19 | arkanes_ | you could securehook QuestPOI_SelectButton |
| 18:53.42 | Primer | I wish I knew what that meant :) I swear, I'm amazed I've gotten as far as I have with this addon, knowing as little as I do |
| 18:54.02 | arkanes_ | well what exactly do you want to do |
| 18:54.28 | Primer | With QH, I registered a callback, which gave me the coordinates and metadata for the "current quest" |
| 18:54.36 | Primer | the quest it deemed you should complete |
| 18:54.40 | arkanes_ | right |
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| 18:54.44 | Primer | I believe the new POI stuff has this too |
| 18:55.03 | Primer | I just want to hook into that to show a waypoint in my HUD |
| 18:55.11 | arkanes_ | right you can click on a the button in the text info, and it will make that yuor "current" quest |
| 18:55.20 | Primer | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/flight-hud.aspx <-- that's the addon I'm talking about, btw |
| 18:55.32 | Primer | There's a "QuestHelper integration" video |
| 18:55.39 | Primer | so you can see what I'm talking about |
| 18:55.55 | arkanes_ | you'll need to do some work |
| 18:56.10 | arkanes_ | and you'll have to be careful to avoid taint, but it shouldn't be that difficult |
| 18:56.19 | arkanes_ | look at https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/cat/FrameXML/QuestPOI.lua |
| 18:56.33 | Primer | I have POI support in to a certain extent, but it requires interactivity...have to [mod]click the POI to make it show in the HUD |
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| 18:57.22 | arkanes_ | you're attaching a click handler to the POI button? |
| 18:57.36 | Primer | I don't recall :) |
| 18:58.07 | arkanes_ | well you probably are |
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| 18:58.09 | Slayman1 | HOLY shnizzle! mage glyphs are fixed on PTR and deep freeze does 20% more dmg prime glyph ^^^^ |
| 18:58.28 | arkanes_ | the same basic approach should work, but instead of attaching your own click handler, just securehook the actual one |
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| 18:59.08 | Mirrormn | unfortunately, increasing the damage of something you can only do once every 30 seconds just isn't that great for total dps |
| 18:59.46 | Primer | arkanes_: seems I borrowed a lot of this code from TomTom |
| 19:00.11 | arkanes_ | Primer: thats not surprising |
| 19:00.28 | Slayman1 | well it's about 5-6 FB casts worth of dmg |
| 19:00.33 | Slayman1 | in total |
| 19:00.36 | Primer | yeah, I've borrowed a lot of code from TomTom :) |
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| 19:01.57 | Primer | arkanes_: one problem I've had is that I can't seem to find an event for when a POI goes away |
| 19:02.01 | Slayman1 | the question becomes for frost: glyph of FFB or glyph of DF both have merits and it depends of the proccs of FFB cuz with 20% mor dmg DF is easly 2.5 FFB crits |
| 19:02.25 | Slayman1 | and FFB requires 2 separate proccs to be worth it |
| 19:02.53 | Primer | meaning, I can't remove the waypoint from my addon when that happens (I still have no waypoint management facility...something I've been meaning to do for a long time) |
| 19:03.10 | Primer | I'm hoping to add this feature before Cata |
| 19:03.29 | Primer | Also hoping that my addon will become more popular, now that people can fly pretty much everywhere |
| 19:03.42 | durcyn | why not just, uh, use the tomtom api |
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| 19:03.52 | Primer | tomtom api for what? |
| 19:04.04 | Primer | I don't actually use tomtom |
| 19:04.40 | Primer | so if it's got new features, I'm unaware of them |
| 19:05.29 | arkanes_ | Primer: I'd guess QUEST_WATCH_UPDATE |
| 19:05.40 | arkanes_ | and QUEST_LOG_UPDATE |
| 19:06.06 | Primer | checks |
| 19:06.33 | arkanes_ | when in doubt, read how the blizz UI does it |
| 19:07.07 | Primer | I hate reading |
| 19:07.33 | arkanes_ | qq? |
| 19:07.45 | arkanes_ | ~wowalert |
| 19:07.45 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 19:09.54 | ThiefMaster | are there any addons that are known to taint the glyph UI? |
| 19:10.12 | ThiefMaster | "Message: Error: AddOn Stubby attempted to call a forbidden function (CastGlyph()) from a tainted execution path." but that message is completely useless since stubby is just some addon autoloader |
| 19:10.50 | nebula169 | isn't that an issue with using popup messages? |
| 19:10.51 | Gnarfoz | /console taintLog 1 |
| 19:10.57 | arkanes_ | I believe that old version of LibTalentQuery do |
| 19:11.04 | arkanes_ | but yeah you want the taintlog |
| 19:11.24 | Gnarfoz | also, get a better error reporting addon, possibly. that looks pretty plain-english and non-verbose |
| 19:11.45 | arkanes_ | you probably need taintlog 2 |
| 19:11.50 | Gnarfoz | nah |
| 19:11.59 | Gnarfoz | taintlog 2 is not good |
| 19:12.14 | arkanes_ | well it's big |
| 19:12.21 | Gnarfoz | if you can reproduce the error, taintlog 1 will show you who-dun-it |
| 19:12.30 | arkanes_ | that'll show the addon |
| 19:12.30 | nebula169 | that error is fairly common |
| 19:12.32 | nebula169 | http://www.wowace.com/addons/bartender4/tickets/403-bartender4-cant-add-glyphs/ |
| 19:12.39 | arkanes_ | but if its a library, that won't neccesarily be useful |
| 19:12.52 | nebula169 | i'm fairly sure someone traced it back to the gylph ui securing static dialogs |
| 19:13.01 | nebula169 | and anything using one after that will cause it |
| 19:13.23 | arkanes_ | I've had the problem before but not been able to recreate it consistently |
| 19:13.29 | arkanes_ | that sounds very likely |
| 19:14.01 | arkanes_ | which reminds me I think I was able to find out what was triggering a clique bug |
| 19:14.16 | arkanes_ | I must check that when realms come up |
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| 19:16.18 | ThiefMaster | <Gnarfoz> also, get a better error reporting addon, possibly. that looks pretty plain-english and non-verbose <- there's a stacktrace below the plain english message |
| 19:16.18 | nebula169 | http://www.wowace.com/addons/recount/tickets/252-tainted-staticpopupdialog/ there it was |
| 19:16.43 | Gnarfoz | well, ok then |
| 19:17.10 | orionshock | so are they really shattering the world of farmcraft today? |
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| 19:18.06 | Gnarfoz | orionshock: already did / they will, depending on region |
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| 19:42.41 | Primer | Going back to a question I posed a few weeks ago regarding the use of MyAddon.property vs. local someProperty...I've seen many addons do this: |
| 19:42.54 | Primer | local math_abs = math.abs |
| 19:43.19 | Primer | It seems that, given what was said about MyAddon.prop, this is pretty useless too |
| 19:43.22 | Primer | thoughts? |
| 19:43.54 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 19:44.01 | Primer | as well as this: local SomeFunction = SomeFunction |
| 19:44.04 | Primer | exactly |
| 19:44.17 | Primer | why is shit like this done? |
| 19:44.26 | arkanes_ | Primer: "optimization" |
| 19:44.32 | Gnarfoz | local math_abs = math.abs makes perfect sense if you have stuff in tight loops that uses math.abs |
| 19:44.40 | Primer | Why? |
| 19:44.48 | nebula169 | no global table look up |
| 19:44.53 | Primer | I mean, is lua that braindead? |
| 19:44.53 | Gnarfoz | because accessing a local value is faster than accessing a global + table lookup |
| 19:44.57 | arkanes_ | it converts a global lookup and a table lookup to a single local lookup |
| 19:44.57 | nebula169 | its just faster |
| 19:45.07 | arkanes_ | it's not a question of lua being braindead |
| 19:45.17 | arkanes_ | the operations are semantically different |
| 19:45.26 | sylvanaar_work | it changes the scope from dynamic to lexical |
| 19:45.30 | Primer | I just don't see how. I mean, don't interpreted languages just add a pointer to the function at compile time? |
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| 19:45.38 | arkanes_ | luas not interpreted |
| 19:45.47 | arkanes_ | and its got nothing to do with that |
| 19:46.03 | arkanes_ | the "normal" form does a dynamic lookup, its caching the function |
| 19:46.16 | arkanes_ | er, it is *not* caching the function |
| 19:46.36 | arkanes_ | it can't be optimized away during compilation, because that would mean that changes to the global function wouldn't be visible |
| 19:46.38 | sylvanaar_work | you can resolve a lexical reference in the code back to a single definition, you cant with a dynamic |
| 19:47.00 | Primer | Is this because lua, in the form that wow uses it, allows for code to be updated at runtime? |
| 19:47.15 | arkanes_ | no |
| 19:47.34 | arkanes_ | well, kind of, except I think you're not really thinking through what "code to be updated at runtime" means |
| 19:47.58 | sylvanaar_work | the environment a function runs in can be changed at runtime |
| 19:48.02 | arkanes_ | taken literally, what you're talking about would mean the use of eval |
| 19:48.11 | arkanes_ | and its unrelated to that |
| 19:48.14 | sylvanaar_work | unless you make everything local upvalues |
| 19:48.42 | arkanes_ | it *is* related to luas semantics, which are that objects are shared |
| 19:49.16 | Primer | There seem to be two sets of thought regarding this. A few weeks ago, someone here told me that MyAddon.SomeProperty has no significant performance penalties than local SomeProperty |
| 19:49.22 | arkanes_ | it doesn't |
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| 19:49.35 | arkanes_ | the key word here being "significant" |
| 19:49.49 | arkanes_ | the cost of a lookup in lua is low, and the people who upvalue everything are mostly wasting their time |
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| 19:49.58 | Primer | so you're talking about squeezing the last bits of performance then |
| 19:50.03 | sylvanaar_work | it depends on if MyAddon is local how significant it is |
| 19:50.07 | arkanes_ | well mostly its voodoo coding |
| 19:50.33 | Gnarfoz | arkanes_: didn't... Xinhuan or someone do tests that showed pretty clearly that there's a benefit in stuff that gets called many many times? |
| 19:50.40 | arkanes_ | Gnarfoz: probably |
| 19:50.43 | Gnarfoz | (quite back a while, though) |
| 19:50.48 | arkanes_ | Gnarfoz: it's not hard to imagine a circumstance where it's a win |
| 19:50.57 | arkanes_ | I can imagine a few where its a loss |
| 19:51.04 | Gnarfoz | CLEU event processing :D |
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| 19:51.32 | arkanes_ | but even though there is a difference, whether or not the difference actually matters is an entirely different question |
| 19:51.37 | Gnarfoz | of course |
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| 19:51.48 | Repo | New beta based on PTR data |
| 19:51.54 | Gnarfoz | but that should mean one should actually measure it, not dismiss it as irrelevant |
| 19:51.54 | Primer | When I started writing this addon, I took an OOP approach, making everything "object methods" and "object properties" (Yes, I know, these don't apply in Lua, hence the quotes) |
| 19:52.09 | arkanes_ | theres nothing wrong with that |
| 19:52.24 | Primer | yes, as everything worked |
| 19:53.03 | arkanes_ | Gnarfoz: yes, but I know the cost is low which means I won't spend the time to measure it until I've already investigated lots of other things |
| 19:53.35 | Primer | I was concerned because, by default, my addon is set to run on every update, with inner loops |
| 19:53.36 | Gnarfoz | agreed, there's probably other things one can do "wrong" that would have greater impact |
| 19:54.02 | Gnarfoz | using (unthrottled) OnUpdate being one of them, for example |
| 19:54.03 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:54.18 | arkanes_ | Primer: any operation you simply remove from your OnUpdate will have a much greater impact that microoptimizations like caching lookups |
| 19:54.35 | sylvanaar_work | all i can say is thats all that blizz uses - 100% unthrottled OnUpdates |
| 19:55.02 | Primer | arkanes_: my addon provides the ability for it to NOT run on every update, for people where it impacts performance |
| 19:55.13 | Gnarfoz | which is to say their UI code shouldn't really serve as an example :p |
| 19:55.18 | arkanes_ | yes blizzards stuff gives practically no attention whatsoever to performance or optimization |
| 19:55.28 | arkanes_ | well, you can look at it that way |
| 19:55.32 | Primer | but for the most part, I've never had to use it myself, despite having a box that's 4+ years old |
| 19:55.40 | arkanes_ | or you could say, hey, I bet the UI is not actually all that performance sensitive |
| 19:55.54 | Gnarfoz | Primer: that totally depends on several other factors, like other addons present |
| 19:56.06 | Primer | Gnarfoz: of course |
| 19:56.32 | Gnarfoz | arkanes_: oh it is performance sensitive... I know perfectly well my UI was costing me up to ~20fps in 25man raid fights at some point during WotLK |
| 19:56.59 | Gnarfoz | (of course, that wasn't blizzard addons, so maybe in their case, it doesn't matter :D) |
| 19:57.14 | Primer | I've found it easiest to have all variable that pertain to my addon be properties of the addon object (yes, I know, Lua is not like that...just using terms I know) |
| 19:57.59 | Killmore | 5pm pst.. nice |
| 19:58.03 | Primer | I kinda code by example. Whenever I want to add something new, the first thing I do is look at other people's addons |
| 19:58.27 | Gnarfoz | depending on those other people, your results may vary with that approach :D |
| 19:58.54 | Primer | Gnarfoz: well, I've taken a lot of code from TomTom |
| 19:59.13 | Primer | I think jnwhiteh knows what he's doing |
| 19:59.24 | jnwhiteh | do I? |
| 19:59.27 | jnwhiteh | depends on what you're doing |
| 19:59.30 | Ackis | debatable |
| 19:59.31 | jnwhiteh | TomTom's code (in general) in shit :P |
| 19:59.32 | Gnarfoz | that matter is still up for debate |
| 19:59.33 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:59.35 | Ackis | oh hi jnwhiteh |
| 19:59.45 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
| 19:59.48 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: TomTom is broken. |
| 19:59.49 | Ackis | has to read over 100 articles from you jnwhiteh |
| 19:59.58 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 20:00.02 | jnwhiteh | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 20:00.04 | Ackis | fukung.net |
| 20:00.10 | jnwhiteh | muwaahaa |
| 20:00.13 | jnwhiteh | tey're the funny ones. |
| 20:00.19 | arkanes_ | jnwhiteh: I encountered the bug where my clique keybinds started overriding all my normal keybinds again |
| 20:00.36 | arkanes_ | jnwhiteh: I think it may be related to accepting an lfd invite while I was mid-cast on spec swap |
| 20:00.55 | harl | i wish they would remove open pvp on non-pvp realms. completely. anywhere. |
| 20:00.55 | arkanes_ | when the realms come up I will try to confirm |
| 20:01.00 | Ackis | yeah they are lol |
| 20:01.00 | Primer | anyhow, I'm just confused a lot by the code I see |
| 20:01.30 | arkanes_ | Primer: 90% of everything is crap |
| 20:01.49 | Primer | arkanes_: maybe you can assess my addon :) |
| 20:01.53 | Gnarfoz | that rule applies elsewhere, too |
| 20:02.15 | arkanes_ | it applies to everythign! |
| 20:02.27 | arkanes_ | it even applies recursively to the 10% which is not crap |
| 20:02.54 | arkanes_ | the realm status page is returning a 503. Think this is a good sign or bad? |
| 20:03.00 | Gnarfoz | it's a nice sign |
| 20:03.05 | Primer | bad |
| 20:03.06 | Gnarfoz | also, an error sign |
| 20:03.18 | Primer | 503 == bad gateway? |
| 20:03.23 | Primer | tries to recall |
| 20:03.28 | arkanes_ | service unavailable |
| 20:04.10 | Slayman1 | worgen hunter cannot lear dual spec currently lol pwnt |
| 20:05.14 | Slayman1 | WLs 12% dmg nerf on basically everything |
| 20:05.46 | jnwhiteh | arkanes_: okay, try with the latest beta |
| 20:05.51 | jnwhiteh | should be more resilient to that stuff, i think |
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| 20:06.39 | arkanes_ | jnwhiteh: soon as the realms come up *tap foot* |
| 20:07.45 | Ackis | lol jnwhiteh http://www.fukung.net/images/34409/5e260432a61692788245234e3f642e50.jpg |
| 20:08.13 | Primer | oh god, now I'll be browsing fukung all day, again |
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| 20:08.33 | Ackis | pwwnt Primer |
| 20:08.40 | Ackis | I limit myself to whatever jnwhiteh shares |
| 20:08.44 | Ackis | usually there's no nudity |
| 20:08.54 | arkanes_ | ~wowalert |
| 20:08.54 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 20:09.11 | arkanes_ | hmph |
| 20:09.34 | nevcairiel | 5pm, eh |
| 20:09.59 | nevcairiel | 5 hours from now? |
| 20:10.17 | arkanes_ | it's really kind of amazing how bad they are at deploying |
| 20:10.26 | arkanes_ | or, at least, estimating how long deploying will take |
| 20:10.35 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: who cares, ours will be up at 11am or 1pm, whatever time they initially announce ;p |
| 20:10.49 | leech2k | Meh, I have seen much worse :-) |
| 20:10.58 | nevcairiel | with a complex system like this, i dont think you can accurately predict it |
| 20:11.05 | nevcairiel | and this is the greatest change to the world, ever |
| 20:11.07 | Gnarfoz | should take some lessons from CCP |
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| 20:11.20 | arkanes_ | eh |
| 20:11.28 | arkanes_ | I can think of all kinds of ways they could make it more consistent |
| 20:11.34 | leech2k | No one has really dont the same thing on the scale blizz has though. |
| 20:11.44 | leech2k | done* |
| 20:11.45 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik * r3047 Locales (2 files in 1 directory): - deDe update |
| 20:11.49 | nevcairiel | announcing longer maintenance and then being done early isnt consistent |
| 20:11.59 | Gnarfoz | the complexity doesn't really scale with the number of server clusters you have to do it on |
| 20:12.35 | Slayman1 | but it does with different locales |
| 20:12.43 | Gnarfoz | how... are locales relevant to this |
| 20:12.52 | Slayman1 | especially if your datacenter is split up |
| 20:12.53 | nevcairiel | No matter how hard you try, you can never produce an integration system that models the production servers accurately. There is always funny issues with the production servers ;d |
| 20:12.56 | leech2k | No, but the size of the codebase, and amount of data they are dealing with could make things sometimes take a difficult to predict amount of time. |
| 20:13.22 | arkanes_ | sure |
| 20:13.32 | arkanes_ | and there's always something thats going to go wrong |
| 20:13.37 | leech2k | Wow, I need to read before enter. |
| 20:13.59 | nevcairiel | It doesn't really matter how long it was announced to take |
| 20:14.05 | nevcairiel | it takes how long it takes |
| 20:14.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the statement is still true, they're off by HUGE amounts for US maintenances many, many times. there's no perfect clone of any production system, but they're so far off it's not even remotely funny ;p |
| 20:14.26 | leech2k | Locales, multiple data centers, multiple people involved, different data sets, all add a lot of variables and something is bound to slow them down :-) |
| 20:14.33 | Gnarfoz | how are locales relevant |
| 20:14.40 | arkanes_ | those are all easy to predict |
| 20:14.41 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: at least they are capable of learning |
| 20:14.47 | Gnarfoz | multiple data centers means multiple people = same time needed for any number of clusters |
| 20:14.56 | leech2k | Locales are relevent in the fact that I doubt they test everyone ahead of time. |
| 20:14.58 | nebula169 | just add on five hours to your initial estimate and be done with it |
| 20:15.03 | nevcairiel | EU is always faster due to the lessons learned from the US :D |
| 20:15.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: hehe, yes |
| 20:15.18 | arkanes_ | the kind of thing that makes a deployment take a long time, especially on the kind of scales we seem them wrong with wow deplyments, is stuff like "ok, we put the new build on and the database isn't coming up" |
| 20:15.18 | Gnarfoz | leech2k: ...locales are in the client |
| 20:15.26 | nebula169 | ~wowalert |
| 20:15.27 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 20:15.45 | Slayman1 | Gnarfoz: locations then |
| 20:15.52 | arkanes_ | there's probably a fairly small team who's doing all the deployments, too |
| 20:16.07 | Slayman1 | 1 guy with beard and coffee |
| 20:16.08 | nevcairiel | I would be surprised if it would be something "simple" like the DB not coming up. |
| 20:16.14 | Slayman1 | taking his sweet time, no rush |
| 20:16.15 | leech2k | Gnarfoz: Hmm, yeah, blizz probably did do that right. Anyways I know locales plays a different on network OSes |
| 20:16.39 | Gnarfoz | Slayman1: you're suggesting it takes longer because there are many clusters of servers (which do identical things)? that would be seriously a giant waste of a perfectly parallelizable task :P |
| 20:16.45 | arkanes_ | we do large scale app pushes all the time |
| 20:16.50 | Gnarfoz | leech2k: I don't understand what you're saying. |
| 20:17.07 | arkanes_ | and we push them onto client PCs, with all kinds of crazy crap on them, and yeah all kinds of bizarre stuff goes wrong |
| 20:17.22 | Gnarfoz | "locales plays a different on network OSes"? what's that supposed to mean? |
| 20:17.29 | arkanes_ | but this happens with *every* major patch, and some minor ones |
| 20:17.31 | Slayman1 | europe has multiple datacenters as far as I'm aware doing them all and doing them in way that let's the regions battlegroups be in sync is no small task |
| 20:17.37 | nevcairiel | I would guess they have a really big set of function and stability tests to run on their servers before they release them, so if some servers keep crashing, it takes time to figure out wtf is going on |
| 20:17.40 | Nechckn | They should just base their estimates on the previous large-scale patches - which would seem to be closer to correct than just adding an hour or two to the "usual" |
| 20:17.53 | Gnarfoz | Slayman1: a battlegroup is not across multiple datacenters anyway |
| 20:18.11 | Slayman1 | Gnarfoz: the PvP ones have to |
| 20:18.12 | Gnarfoz | Nechckn: that should be pretty obvious, one would think :D |
| 20:18.18 | Slayman1 | since they are no localbase |
| 20:18.19 | Slayman1 | d |
| 20:18.24 | Gnarfoz | of course they are |
| 20:18.35 | nevcairiel | I jsut dont understand why people obsess about the estimated time |
| 20:18.38 | Gnarfoz | they even moved servers around when they started implementing battlegroups |
| 20:18.40 | nevcairiel | Whjat difference does it make |
| 20:18.41 | Slayman1 | *now localebased |
| 20:18.54 | nevcairiel | Its up when its up |
| 20:18.58 | arkanes_ | because we want to know when we want to play again |
| 20:19.07 | arkanes_ | er, when we can |
| 20:19.08 | Nechckn | That is what it should say, outright, then, nevcairiel |
| 20:19.16 | nevcairiel | Its implied |
| 20:19.18 | nevcairiel | are you new? :P |
| 20:19.38 | Slayman1 | which is about x hours after the statements says with x guaranteed to be < 24h |
| 20:19.42 | arkanes_ | providing an estimate and always being wrong is probably worse than not estimating at all |
| 20:19.59 | Nechckn | Well, whenever we give estimates, for software and hardware upgrades, heads roll if they are not reasonably close. |
| 20:20.11 | Nechckn | That is more my point, arkanes_ |
| 20:20.20 | arkanes_ | but providing an estimate and being *right* is just basic customer service |
| 20:20.26 | nevcairiel | that will just make you increase your estimates, and make everyone happy if you finish early |
| 20:20.30 | arkanes_ | even for something as unimportant as a game |
| 20:20.33 | Gnarfoz | Nechckn: Blizzard is not bound by SLA's though, you probably are |
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| 20:21.19 | landor | landor: hmm |
| 20:21.29 | landor | * yes |
| 20:21.32 | arkanes_ | I mean, we really could extend this philosophy to everything |
| 20:21.36 | Nechckn | not when people are let out and then return at X or Y hours to work, nevcairiel - the more exact, the better. |
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| 20:21.49 | Slayman1 | and blizzard is making truckloads of money even with patches like 4.0.1 which was a statement of their Q&A being in the holidays |
| 20:21.49 | Nechckn | They do not want systems up, with wars going on, with no one there to use 'em. |
| 20:21.56 | arkanes_ | I work for an airline, and it would really simplify stuff for us if we just changed all our schedules to "we'll land when we land" |
| 20:21.57 | nevcairiel | I don't pretend to have any grasp on the complexity that is the structure behind world of warcraft, and i would argue neither has anyone else in here |
| 20:22.12 | arkanes_ | I work on stuff of similar size & scope |
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| 20:22.33 | arkanes_ | I obviously don't know the details, but it's not hard to figure out the general parameters of the problem |
| 20:22.36 | Slayman1 | google may know the scale and up it a fair share of notches |
| 20:22.43 | Nechckn | Eh, the basics are all pretty standard, unless they are totally ass-backwards. |
| 20:23.19 | Xinhuan | i heard my name mentioned half an hour back :D |
| 20:23.21 | Xinhuan | what was it about |
| 20:23.40 | Nechckn | Working at enough places, with enough systems of different types, gives you some good ideas on what is involved, though - but that is a given, nevcairiel. |
| 20:23.42 | Slayman1 | maybe they use these long windows to do a alot more then we think like cleaning DBs and whatnot |
| 20:23.44 | arkanes_ | performance benefits of upvalues |
| 20:23.46 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: upvalues vs. global table accesses |
| 20:24.11 | nevcairiel | You can't plan for problems, which a large scale rollout may always present to you. Either you put your estimates on the time frame that you would hit without problems, like Blizzard seems to do, or you give it your best guesstimation. Both can and will be wrong |
| 20:24.46 | arkanes_ | you actually can |
| 20:24.53 | arkanes_ | especially when you've had previous experience with the same problems |
| 20:25.02 | nevcairiel | You don't know if its the same problems |
| 20:25.06 | Xinhuan | one is faster than the other, by magnitudes, but in practice, the gain is rather insignificant |
| 20:25.06 | arkanes_ | that is true! |
| 20:25.24 | arkanes_ | but I submit that if they encounter a different major problem that requires 20+ hours of downtime with every major patch, that they are bad at deploying |
| 20:25.33 | Nechckn | Well, it comes down to urgency - they have none, where nearly every installed base I have, has imperatives, with peoples' lives on the line. |
| 20:25.36 | Xinhuan | for the most part though, there is little reason not to do it |
| 20:25.38 | arkanes_ | Xinhuan: thats pretty much what we said |
| 20:25.55 | nevcairiel | They actually have way more to deal with when they put up half-working servers |
| 20:25.57 | arkanes_ | except I personally came to the opposite conclusion |
| 20:28.17 | nevcairiel | But maybe i just don't care because the US is always a good test for the rollout, so they can do it properly for us =) |
| 20:28.45 | Slayman1 | g'night I have to work, it' fine if it's up after I'm done with same, otherwise more Super Strett Fighter 4 or Super Meat Boy for me, either way: I win! |
| 20:28.51 | arkanes_ | the fact that the EU rollout almost always goes without a hitch is a good sign that whatever they run into with the US one is avoidable and solveable |
| 20:29.18 | nevcairiel | After you know what to watch out for this time. |
| 20:29.25 | nevcairiel | Or maybe its code fixes in the server code |
| 20:29.41 | nevcairiel | Or the EU people are just better at their job |
| 20:29.41 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:29.47 | arkanes_ | both of those things point to poor deployment & testing procedures |
| 20:30.06 | arkanes_ | which honestly is not inconsistent with what I observe them doing in general |
| 20:30.13 | leech2k | Its those last minute untested commits that always get you :-) |
| 20:30.19 | arkanes_ | although testing something like wow is obviously an incredibly hard problem |
| 20:30.41 | arkanes_ | they seem to have an inordinate problem without avoiding regressions, though |
| 20:30.47 | nevcairiel | Don't you think a company like Blizzard would try to figure out why deployments work so badly for them, if it would be something simple? :) |
| 20:30.57 | arkanes_ | not neccesarily |
| 20:31.09 | arkanes_ | companies generally don't |
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| 20:31.41 | arkanes_ | and its not like it costs them money, unlike us, so they don't have that pressure |
| 20:32.22 | nevcairiel | once the servers are up, all those arguments from just now will be forgotten anyway |
| 20:32.31 | leech2k | It could be big enough db changes that it is just taking this long for certain servers to complete? |
| 20:32.38 | arkanes_ | they'll still be true |
| 20:33.03 | arkanes_ | it's not like I'll think blizzard is a paragon of software engineering excellence once the servers come up :P |
| 20:33.16 | arkanes_ | leech2k: could be, but its probably not because the EU deployments are fast |
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| 20:33.43 | leech2k | arkanes_: True. Are there servers just as high pop as some of the us high pop? |
| 20:33.51 | arkanes_ | that I don't know |
| 20:33.54 | Gnarfoz | leech2k: that sounds perfectly fixable, no sanely laid out DB change could take 5+ hours more than you expected... and stuff like that is /easily/ testable beforehand |
| 20:34.05 | arkanes_ | nah |
| 20:34.19 | arkanes_ | DB changes generally take time relative to the amount of data you're changing |
| 20:34.22 | leech2k | Gnarfoz: I agree, but again they can't test every dataset ahead of time. |
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| 20:34.50 | arkanes_ | it is the sort of thing you can give reasonably accurate timelines, for |
| 20:34.52 | leech2k | Maybe they tend to fix their scripts before the EU updates :-) |
| 20:34.55 | Gnarfoz | hell, do you think with their resources, they don't have at least one complete "realm" thingy (whatever all makes one up) to test shit on? that's unimaginable IMHO |
| 20:35.03 | arkanes_ | but you have to have production level hardware to test on |
| 20:35.11 | nevcairiel | You know, i read this post from the QA guy thanking us for the beta participation, and he said they got 700 unique bugs out of that beta testing |
| 20:35.12 | arkanes_ | Gnarfoz: eh all kinds of crazy crap happens |
| 20:35.13 | nevcairiel | and i was like |
| 20:35.14 | nevcairiel | only? |
| 20:35.20 | arkanes_ | nevcairiel: heh yeah |
| 20:35.34 | leech2k | lol yeah should have been like 7000 from what I saw on beta |
| 20:35.43 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I don't know how they do their ingress filtering on bugs, but apparently they ignore TONS of shit |
| 20:35.47 | arkanes_ | depends on how they categorize them, though |
| 20:36.00 | nevcairiel | Maybe alot of stuff was caused by the same root bug |
| 20:36.02 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 20:36.04 | Megalon | they categorize into |
| 20:36.10 | Gnarfoz | as evidenced by stuff that's been reported on beta, on ptr, publicly on their own forums... and still goes live broken *boggle* |
| 20:36.12 | arkanes_ | 700 bugs that involve actual changes to the code base is entirely reasonable |
| 20:36.16 | Megalon | 1) maybe will be fixed, perhaps someday |
| 20:36.16 | Megalon | and |
| 20:36.21 | Megalon | 2) we don't give a shit |
| 20:36.43 | Gnarfoz | I like their bug tracking system's bug numbers in UI code |
| 20:36.46 | Gnarfoz | they are huge. ;} |
| 20:36.49 | arkanes_ | they may not count stuff like UI bugs or skill/script/encoutner bugs that're correct by designers as " |
| 20:36.52 | arkanes_ | "bugs" |
| 20:37.04 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: those seem to also track tasks, which i guess can inflate them alot |
| 20:37.23 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: 6 digits isn't that significant |
| 20:37.34 | arkanes_ | depending on the system used the numbers might also be shared across all their projects |
| 20:37.36 | arkanes_ | ours is |
| 20:37.37 | nevcairiel | like, some mobs in early beta always have task numbers on them, for new models and whatnot |
| 20:37.53 | Megalon | some? :P |
| 20:37.59 | nevcairiel | alot |
| 20:38.00 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:38.17 | Megalon | more like all of them which didn't have a model that already existed from live :s |
| 20:38.27 | Megalon | <PH: Task 234982> all the way ;x |
| 20:38.39 | nevcairiel | yeah the artwork really coems in late in the testing |
| 20:38.54 | arkanes_ | thats really normal though |
| 20:39.00 | arkanes_ | and entirely reasonable |
| 20:39.02 | Gnarfoz | you're saying multiple millions of bugs/tasks/changes is not a high number? |
| 20:39.06 | nevcairiel | sure, not saying otherwise |
| 20:39.14 | arkanes_ | armor models didn't land in the beta until what, like a month ago? |
| 20:39.18 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 20:39.18 | arkanes_ | maybe even less than that |
| 20:39.35 | Gnarfoz | was suprised to have my char show up in "new" gear suddenly |
| 20:39.45 | nevcairiel | speaking of |
| 20:39.48 | nevcairiel | i hate the druid tier 11 |
| 20:39.53 | nevcairiel | it looks so silly |
| 20:39.57 | durcyn | you're going t use it for a month, calm down |
| 20:39.58 | Niv | so does warrior |
| 20:40.00 | nebula169 | but the feathers! |
| 20:40.04 | arkanes_ | the paladin looks pretty good |
| 20:40.10 | arkanes_ | better than it does in static screenshots |
| 20:40.11 | Megalon | t1/t2 silly? ;7 |
| 20:40.29 | nevcairiel | i liked my t2 |
| 20:40.29 | arkanes_ | I race changed my druid in t9 to worgen |
| 20:40.29 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: you're either suggesting his raid is shit because it'll take him ages to get it... or that 4.1 will be live in less than 6 months |
| 20:40.35 | arkanes_ | and goddamn that helm looks ridiculous |
| 20:40.56 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: they did say they want content patches faster |
| 20:41.07 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: haha |
| 20:41.07 | nevcairiel | but it'll be a few month anyway |
| 20:41.08 | Gnarfoz | as if! |
| 20:41.09 | arkanes_ | well, the *want* it |
| 20:41.27 | Gnarfoz | they should get the guys who were running the show back in 1.x back and teach them a lesson |
| 20:41.29 | arkanes_ | they can't produce content as fast as people consume it, just not viable |
| 20:41.35 | Gnarfoz | those were fast patch cycles |
| 20:41.38 | nevcairiel | You will need to farm normal instances, and then heroics, before you can even wish to do a raid |
| 20:41.47 | nevcairiel | that'll take some time to fill the gap, at least |
| 20:41.53 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: so... a week until raiding. |
| 20:41.57 | durcyn | eh, fast patches sure, but not nearly all content patches |
| 20:41.59 | arkanes_ | it'll be more than that |
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| 20:42.14 | nevcairiel | then there is christmas, where not everyone raids at full capacity |
| 20:42.19 | durcyn | just a bunch of "hey, we partially unfucked your class" |
| 20:42.22 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: I was thinking of major patches, of which I don't remember any not having some kind of "content" |
| 20:42.41 | nevcairiel | well, they didnt all bring a new raid back then :P |
| 20:42.45 | Gnarfoz | arkanes_ more than a week to farm up to pretty solid heroic 5man gear? you're dreaming :D |
| 20:42.48 | nevcairiel | these days its a given |
| 20:42.56 | arkanes_ | Gnarfoz: not at all |
| 20:43.03 | Gnarfoz | of course not, there was like "hey, honor system!" and "hey! BGs!" |
| 20:43.21 | arkanes_ | Gnarfoz: a ton of that stuff had been in development for a long time even before launch |
| 20:43.26 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware |
| 20:43.39 | nevcairiel | the next raid has been in development for a while, tbh :) |
| 20:43.43 | arkanes_ | the 1.x guys got to frontload what, like 5 years of development? |
| 20:43.52 | arkanes_ | of course they could iterate quickly :P |
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| 20:44.13 | Gnarfoz | I seem to recall a blue post once that admitted that they've "now" (then) crossed the threshold of where they're out of content that was already planned or in dev before vanilla release |
| 20:44.42 | Gnarfoz | which was some time in late BC |
| 20:44.43 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 20:44.55 | nevcairiel | There was this article from around WoW release which outlined their future plans for the game |
| 20:44.59 | nevcairiel | it still somewhat syncs up |
| 20:45.02 | Gnarfoz | that's been floating around |
| 20:45.11 | Gnarfoz | and yeah it still syncs at least level/content wise |
| 20:45.15 | arkanes_ | dance studio! |
| 20:45.21 | koaschten | http://goo.gl/qPgW4 those puns are so bad :D |
| 20:45.29 | Gnarfoz | that's so utter bullshit, I don't know why people keep nagging them about it |
| 20:45.34 | arkanes_ | hah yeah I nkow |
| 20:45.43 | nevcairiel | seriously, who cares about dances |
| 20:45.51 | nevcairiel | although, i would like my new tree of life to have a dance |
| 20:45.53 | arkanes_ | it'd be a cool idea, though |
| 20:45.59 | arkanes_ | nevcairiel: just spam cast spells |
| 20:46.01 | Gnarfoz | it was "new dances" at first, then it somehow got to be a "dance studio", then they did that horrible "dance battle" april fool's joke... etc |
| 20:46.03 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:46.04 | arkanes_ | nevcairiel: it's even funnier than dancing |
| 20:46.23 | nevcairiel | dance battle? was that the guitar hero ripoff? |
| 20:46.31 | Gnarfoz | think so |
| 20:47.05 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I categorize that under the "they said 'no plans at the moment' or 'we'd like to do that some day'" category of stuff that's never going to see the light of day |
| 20:47.06 | arkanes_ | dances are a bunch of work for something basically trivial |
| 20:47.18 | Gnarfoz | like housing :D |
| 20:47.25 | nevcairiel | indeed, thats why dances are not in |
| 20:47.39 | nevcairiel | it only appeals to a small part of the population, and doesnt really give you game play |
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| 20:47.47 | arkanes_ | although a "dance studio" that let you mix & match the different poses in different orders would be relatively simple |
| 20:48.08 | arkanes_ | basically like the armory lets you chose your pose |
| 20:48.24 | Gnarfoz | first part of human female dance + second part of blood elf male dance + first part of draenei male dance |
| 20:48.27 | Gnarfoz | => something |
| 20:48.50 | arkanes_ | housing I don't think we'll ever see |
| 20:49.09 | arkanes_ | it's hard to think how it'd work except via instancing, and it conflicts with their design goal of making people hang out in the same city |
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| 20:49.38 | durcyn | their design goal is stupid. |
| 20:49.51 | arkanes_ | could be |
| 20:49.58 | arkanes_ | its still there, though |
| 20:50.01 | nevcairiel | yea housing would cause people to vanish from citys |
| 20:50.22 | Gnarfoz | the only way I see it happening, ever |
| 20:50.29 | Gnarfoz | is after they start merging realms |
| 20:50.44 | Gnarfoz | but they're doing their damndest to avoid that, apparently |
| 20:50.45 | nevcairiel | what, to one big world of warcraft? |
| 20:50.56 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not ALL of them :p |
| 20:51.00 | Gnarfoz | just the ghost towns |
| 20:51.16 | Ackis | would like a single server |
| 20:51.18 | Ackis | like Eve |
| 20:51.20 | nevcairiel | realm merges are probable the most complex solution to population problems they have |
| 20:51.31 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: they have the tech anyway |
| 20:51.32 | nevcairiel | so of course they try different approaches |
| 20:51.51 | nevcairiel | like magtheridon-eu, which they converted to PvE to attract new players there |
| 20:51.55 | nebula169 | they have char xfer, just one a massive scale |
| 20:52.00 | nebula169 | on* |
| 20:52.15 | arkanes_ | theres a lot of issues with that though |
| 20:52.25 | arkanes_ | that become harder to manage when you scale it up to the entire realm |
| 20:52.34 | arkanes_ | character/guild name conflicts, for example |
| 20:52.39 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: not sure what way they'd do it, but I remember them saying it's technically possible when they closed 4 EU realms because they had 90% russian population |
| 20:52.55 | Gnarfoz | (this was at the launch of russian wow) |
| 20:53.00 | nevcairiel | didnt they just move them to the new russian region |
| 20:53.17 | Gnarfoz | they offered free account conversions |
| 20:53.24 | Gnarfoz | and anyone who didn't take them was moved off |
| 20:53.30 | Gnarfoz | (to other EU servers, mind you) |
| 20:53.35 | Gnarfoz | and the realms then closed |
| 20:54.10 | Gnarfoz | (hmm I think it was less than 4 realms, actually) |
| 20:54.20 | nevcairiel | who cares |
| 20:54.27 | Gnarfoz | anyway, at least the two rp-pvp realms from my group could do with a merge |
| 20:54.29 | nebula169 | i support realm merging, however they decide to do it |
| 20:54.40 | Gnarfoz | would probably still work out if they merged ALL FOUR german rp-pvp realms into one |
| 20:54.41 | nevcairiel | rp-pvp is like the worst of all places |
| 20:54.53 | nevcairiel | they are all deserted |
| 20:55.05 | Gnarfoz | popultion wise, I agree :D |
| 20:55.15 | arkanes_ | best place to get your realm firsts! |
| 20:55.49 | Gnarfoz | nah, ~20 crazy people is enough for all realm first, every server has those |
| 20:55.54 | nebula169 | too bad you have to be there for three months now |
| 20:56.14 | Caleb| | CRAZY?! |
| 20:56.20 | nebula169 | Gnarfoz: grand crusader never happened on my server, lol |
| 20:56.31 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: time to get it |
| 20:56.39 | nebula169 | its gone now |
| 20:56.53 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: some guys got themselves Death's Demise, like, when ICC came out |
| 20:57.25 | nebula169 | yea, that happened on our server, was a bit before icc came out |
| 20:57.31 | nebula169 | xfer guild |
| 20:57.51 | Gnarfoz | they were natives |
| 20:57.52 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 20:58.29 | Gnarfoz | also: fuck that, my modem's "power" LED is glowing red... since some time after I came home, wasn't that way when I came in |
| 20:58.37 | Gnarfoz | however, the manual doesn't say what that means |
| 20:58.55 | Yoshimo | will the classic instances get their ingame maps with 403a? |
| 21:00.05 | nevcairiel | should, yes |
| 21:00.18 | Gnarfoz | hooray for the internet! |
| 21:00.20 | Gnarfoz | rot Störung oder laufendes Software-Update (Updatedauer ca. 5-10 Minuten) |
| 21:04.50 | nebula169 | its nice to know its either fucked or running updates |
| 21:05.20 | Megalon | red, a convinient color to indicate updates |
| 21:06.09 | Gnarfoz | they probably thought to signal "don't turn it off now!" |
| 21:07.13 | nevcairiel | you know, when my modem glows red, first thing i would do is reboot it |
| 21:07.13 | Megalon | when most deviced indicate with red that they don't work and you can turn them off |
| 21:07.29 | Megalon | or they hung themselves |
| 21:07.38 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: regardless of why blizzard sucks so much at estimating their maintenance times, I do wonder why EU is so comparatively problem-free... do the US guys share their results, or are the EU guys just /that/ pro |
| 21:07.50 | nevcairiel | both |
| 21:07.52 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 21:07.58 | Baps | I'd bet more of the former |
| 21:07.58 | Gnarfoz | Megalon, nevcairiel: RTFM always applies :P |
| 21:08.20 | Megalon | RTFM only implies |
| 21:08.27 | Megalon | to unintuitive designfaggots |
| 21:08.28 | Baps | you upgrade 440 servers, you generally get some idea of most everything that might go wrong during the process |
| 21:08.30 | Baps | and how to fix it |
| 21:08.37 | Baps | excuse me, 440 server farms |
| 21:08.40 | Gnarfoz | do zhCN and zhTW and koKR have these kinds of problems? I do wonder! :D |
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| 21:09.10 | nevcairiel | CN is weird anyway |
| 21:09.35 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: huh? the manual is definitive, guessing without RTFM is inaccurate (although, easier) |
| 21:09.51 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: true, they're kind of a huge chunk of content behind now |
| 21:09.53 | Primer | yeah, I once saw a screenshot of a wiped raid on Magni from a CN server...a bunch of graves in the room |
| 21:10.17 | Gnarfoz | like, most of WotLK :D |
| 21:10.19 | Primer | instead of the usual skeletons |
| 21:10.25 | sylvanaar_work | i think they should do a 'what really goes on on maintenance day' article on like mmochamp or something |
| 21:10.41 | sylvanaar_work | and see if blizz will say |
| 21:10.50 | Primer | sylvanaar_work: lots of "OH SHIT!", and "WTF?!?!" |
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| 21:11.08 | sylvanaar_work | well thats the users at least |
| 21:11.09 | Primer | and "Damn, that query is taking much longer to run than I originally expected!" |
| 21:11.17 | Gnarfoz | blizz should just do one themselves, it can only improve their standing in the eyes of the angry forum trolls (which they don't care about, granted) |
| 21:11.28 | Baps | the database schema update is taking 4x as long as expected in step 14 |
| 21:11.42 | Baps | and that will delay the servers coming up by another hour.. |
| 21:11.52 | Baps | etc |
| 21:11.57 | sylvanaar_work | its not mirroring to the other servers in the cluster, now what |
| 21:11.59 | Primer | and the reality is they have no idea how much longer it'll take |
| 21:12.14 | Primer | and everything is a guestimate |
| 21:12.27 | Gnarfoz | as said before, they should just extrapolate from previous updates, not from their ideal time estimate |
| 21:12.31 | sylvanaar_work | they like to string you along |
| 21:12.42 | sylvanaar_work | with tiny increments |
| 21:13.02 | Gnarfoz | they'd perhaps be done earlier than announced, then, some times, but hell, the whining on tuesdays on IRC is bad :P |
| 21:13.21 | koaschten | by now i'd expect them to have a mirrored version of US Mal'ganis to try the upgrade on on major patches ^^ |
| 21:13.38 | sylvanaar_work | the end is near |
| 21:14.00 | durcyn | it's more likely that they fail at parallelization, i wonder how many staff they have per server they're updating |
| 21:14.22 | durcyn | or rather server per staff |
| 21:14.34 | koaschten | do you actually think the staff doing the upgrading is on site? |
| 21:14.51 | durcyn | who said anything about location? |
| 21:14.58 | Baps | as I understand it, AT&T does the actual upgrades, not blizzard staff |
| 21:15.01 | koaschten | i'd rather see them having issues keeping up multitasking |
| 21:15.03 | Gnarfoz | Baps: what |
| 21:15.14 | Baps | AT&T manages the datacenters |
| 21:15.20 | Baps | that's well known |
| 21:15.22 | Gnarfoz | maybe some of yours |
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| 21:15.32 | Gnarfoz | because it's certainly not at&t here |
| 21:15.33 | durcyn | buying ping power and pipe from AT&T doesn't mean they admin the boxes |
| 21:15.44 | durcyn | don't be fucking daft. |
| 21:15.49 | Gnarfoz | and I doubt they let any of Telias crazypeople neir their servers |
| 21:15.54 | Baps | I'll see if I can find the article again |
| 21:18.23 | Baps | http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/11/25/wows-back-end-10-data-centers-75000-cores/ |
| 21:18.41 | Baps | "Blizzard hosts its gaming infrastructure with AT&T, which provides data center space, network monitoring and management." |
| 21:19.03 | Baps | "The Blizzard network is managed by a staff of 68 people." |
| 21:19.09 | koaschten | management != patch distribution |
| 21:19.27 | durcyn | network monitoring and management is datacenter-speak for "we promise not to fuck up the routing too badly" |
| 21:19.35 | Baps | "Blizzard uses 20,000 systems and 1.3 petabytes of storage to power its gaming operations." |
| 21:19.46 | Gnarfoz | random numbers! |
| 21:19.46 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:19.47 | koaschten | and hurry to replace bad hardware as stated in the service contract |
| 21:19.50 | Baps | "WoWband you'll need to |
| 21:19.57 | Baps | arg, bad paste |
| 21:19.58 | Primer | indeed. Patching a server is probably trivial |
| 21:20.14 | Primer | updating the databases...that's probably what takes up the bulk of the time for rollouts |
| 21:20.22 | Baps | 13,250 server blades, 75k cores and 112.5 terabytes of blade ram |
| 21:20.25 | durcyn | it's becoming more obvious every time you speak that you have no idea how datacenters actually work, Baps, please stop, just stop |
| 21:21.28 | Baps | *Shrug* there was also a more detailed article from a conference where blizzard presented but I can't find it at the moment |
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| 21:22.08 | Primer | Network management != patch rollout |
| 21:26.15 | Gnarfoz | it's funny how bad that article is |
| 21:26.24 | Gnarfoz | listing US states in the same list as other countries |
| 21:26.36 | koaschten | haha awesome "You guys forced us onto these new forums and DIDNT give them the ability to support the Tuesday load. This does show your commitment to us. 3 minutes load times is /fail" |
| 21:26.49 | Gnarfoz | "run by AT&T" even though EU is not run by AT&T at all, china isn't even run by Blizzard at all... etc |
| 21:27.17 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: bad troll is bad... because they work just fine... which is, as the blue guy said, new. :D |
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| 21:37.22 | Baps | http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25307 |
| 21:37.28 | Baps | that's the original article |
| 21:43.52 | Gnarfoz | any of you germans using Alice as their ISP? |
| 21:43.59 | nevcairiel | me |
| 21:44.34 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 21:44.51 | Gnarfoz | what kind of CPE do you have? |
| 21:45.14 | nevcairiel | the what now? |
| 21:46.15 | nevcairiel | googled CPE |
| 21:46.52 | nevcairiel | got a splitter, obviously, and a router that doubles as a modem. Connect your own router to it, and it acts like any pppoe capable modem |
| 21:47.02 | Gnarfoz | no voip? |
| 21:47.26 | Gnarfoz | (and splitters aren't that obvious any more, I don't have a separate one) |
| 21:47.59 | nevcairiel | Does alice even offer voip? |
| 21:48.10 | nevcairiel | i dunno, comes with a flatrate into "festnetz" |
| 21:48.35 | Gnarfoz | hm? |
| 21:48.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure they offer anything *but* voip |
| 21:48.53 | nevcairiel | i have real phone |
| 21:49.06 | Gnarfoz | well, hm. |
| 21:49.09 | nevcairiel | plug it into the splitter, and it works. |
| 21:49.24 | Gnarfoz | anyway, do you know that alice device's type? |
| 21:50.54 | Gnarfoz | because apparently, the tech guy who reconfigured mine changed the ATM config on mine, not sure why, because from what I understand of it, it's wrong /now/ where it was correct before |
| 21:50.56 | nevcairiel | Alice Modem TV 1121, dont know if its a rebranded other device. I also dunno if you always get this one, even when you don't have TV. There is also one with WLAN if you want to pay that |
| 21:50.58 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:51.15 | Gnarfoz | oh, totally different device then |
| 21:51.32 | durcyn | looks like it's a siemens |
| 21:51.49 | Gnarfoz | they don't manufacture anything, so it's obviously going to be OEM |
| 21:51.53 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 21:51.54 | durcyn | SL2-141-I |
| 21:52.11 | nevcairiel | Siemens CL-040-I is the other device they use, which is clearly marked as such |
| 21:52.30 | nevcairiel | durcyn: thats one with WLAN |
| 21:52.35 | durcyn | ah |
| 21:52.54 | durcyn | why would anyone want WLAN directly on the modem :( |
| 21:53.08 | nevcairiel | well its also a router |
| 21:53.09 | durcyn | shitty unconfigurable nat |
| 21:53.10 | Gnarfoz | it's called router |
| 21:53.22 | Gnarfoz | they tend to have everything in one device ;p |
| 21:53.35 | durcyn | no, i get that it has NAT builtin, but that's just as bad |
| 21:53.50 | nevcairiel | i got me a real router, then the device switches into modem mode |
| 21:53.55 | nevcairiel | at least mine doe |
| 21:54.02 | Gnarfoz | while I had a linux router at my parent's place (I left it there), I don't seem that much of a problem with one of these, either |
| 21:54.02 | nevcairiel | no idea if those do that |
| 21:54.18 | durcyn | it hands out non-RFC1918 addresses, at least? |
| 21:54.29 | Gnarfoz | hm? |
| 21:54.31 | nevcairiel | to my router, yes |
| 21:54.35 | durcyn | i had an aunt buy AT&T's DSL shit a few years back, it forced a double NAT regardless |
| 21:54.37 | nevcairiel | which then does the NAT |
| 21:54.49 | Gnarfoz | if it gets pppoe packets on the LAN port and does not have any login data, it'll play modem. |
| 21:54.54 | nevcairiel | it acts like a plain old pppoe modem |
| 21:54.57 | nevcairiel | if you ask it to |
| 21:55.06 | durcyn | well, that's good at least |
| 21:55.14 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: don't compare US dsl with EU dsl, it makes no sense... everything is upside down here |
| 21:55.36 | nevcairiel | it just gets confusing when you try to use the VLAN'ed TV port as well as using the thing in modem mode |
| 21:55.39 | nevcairiel | it gets mighty confused then |
| 21:57.01 | Gnarfoz | whelp, anyway |
| 21:57.03 | nevcairiel | Apparently the type of modem Alice sends you depends on if its their network, like it is here in Hamburg with the HanseNet net, or if they are buying telekom lines |
| 21:57.05 | koaschten | be happy you are in a congested segment on "Kabel Deutschland" .... |
| 21:57.26 | koaschten | i am having 3/0.2 for more than 2 month now in the evenings when it should be 32/2 |
| 21:57.53 | Gnarfoz | we told you |
| 21:57.57 | Gnarfoz | you didn't listen |
| 21:57.58 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:58.03 | koaschten | :) |
| 21:58.05 | koaschten | :/ |
| 21:58.07 | koaschten | :( |
| 21:58.13 | koaschten | dats me in the last 5 months |
| 21:58.18 | Gnarfoz | I've got 3.3/0.6 24/7 |
| 21:58.22 | Gnarfoz | so be happy |
| 21:58.23 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 21:58.29 | nevcairiel | i got 10/1 24/7! |
| 21:58.36 | nevcairiel | trying to upgrade to 50/10, but they wont let me |
| 21:58.47 | Gnarfoz | current c't has nice 50Mbit/s+ stuff |
| 21:59.02 | Gnarfoz | wtb unitymedia 128M shit ;O |
| 21:59.12 | koaschten | yeah and they have a paragraph of KDG doing their "quality management" |
| 21:59.21 | koaschten | fuck this, my segment is just stuffed and they don't care |
| 21:59.31 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: "just" move to norderstedt, they have an article about wilhelm.tel... the situation there sounds pretty much like paradise |
| 21:59.44 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: exactly. MVLZ? :P |
| 21:59.54 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: c't has an article, that is |
| 22:00.23 | nevcairiel | wilhelmtel is paradise, but it only really works when you live in a building complex thats connected to their network |
| 22:00.27 | koaschten | i guess i am going to invoice mail a deadline until they can "fix" their shit or i am terminating the contract because they obviously dont want to deliver |
| 22:00.55 | Gnarfoz | anyway, now my IAD is set to "Router (1 VC), UR-2 konform" when previously it was set to "HanseNet Router (3 VC)" - not entirely sure what that was about |
| 22:00.56 | koaschten | nevcairiel well the fiber lies next to the power lines as i understand the article.... so every building got fibre ? |
| 22:01.07 | nevcairiel | not every, no |
| 22:01.07 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: some people declined to be connected |
| 22:01.09 | nevcairiel | but many do |
| 22:01.26 | Gnarfoz | best thing is: if your building has internal ethernet cabling... you get 3⬠off |
| 22:01.29 | Gnarfoz | lol :o |
| 22:01.34 | nevcairiel | you know, i already live like 5km south of norderstedt |
| 22:01.43 | nevcairiel | but i just moved |
| 22:01.47 | Gnarfoz | perhaps they'll expand to where you are some day |
| 22:01.48 | Gnarfoz | ;] |
| 22:02.44 | Gnarfoz | so a "VC" is a virtual circuit... hm. I thought that was for separating my VoIP, my Internet and the remote config access they have |
| 22:02.46 | nevcairiel | when alice doesnt managet to get me connected to their VDSL net, i'll consider probing the telekom if they can do it here |
| 22:02.48 | Gnarfoz | apparently, it isn't |
| 22:02.54 | znf_ | aaaand... it's here! |
| 22:02.59 | znf_ | No expansion rules forever, my son! |
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| 22:03.16 | leech2k | servers still down? |
| 22:03.29 | Zasurus | is there a PTR up at all? |
| 22:03.39 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: c't article exposes how dtag is insanely more expensive than any of the other ones |
| 22:03.45 | nevcairiel | I know |
| 22:03.47 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 22:03.51 | Pneumatus | anyone know, when you add a 2nd WoW acct to your bnet account do you get to name it? |
| 22:03.57 | nevcairiel | Alice keeps claiming i'm not in their VDSL area |
| 22:03.58 | Pneumatus | or are you stuck with "WOW1" in the selector? |
| 22:04.01 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: they list it as expenses during the shortest time your contract can be |
| 22:04.01 | nevcairiel | but i keep probing! |
| 22:04.25 | Gnarfoz | and since dtag has 24 month MVLZ |
| 22:04.26 | nevcairiel | Alice is so awesome, it wouldnt cost me a cent more to upgrade to 50/10 |
| 22:04.31 | nevcairiel | but they wont let me! |
| 22:04.31 | leech2k | Stuck with WOW1, WOW2 from what I have seen. |
| 22:04.33 | Gnarfoz | it's like 1300EUR |
| 22:04.41 | Gnarfoz | with alice, it's like 134EUR |
| 22:04.42 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:04.48 | Pneumatus | bad times, so my old account has a 'proper' name but my new one wont :< |
| 22:04.57 | nevcairiel | only because they have this introduction offering right now |
| 22:05.09 | nevcairiel | which will expire soon'ish |
| 22:05.10 | Gnarfoz | they always have those *shrug* |
| 22:05.10 | leech2k | Actually they both have the same login, just select the kind of sub account. |
| 22:05.21 | nevcairiel | it is however awesome. get it now, and you pay the low price for ever. |
| 22:05.31 | Pneumatus | leech2k: yes, but my old account has a proper name in the selector, the new one is WOW1 |
| 22:05.40 | leech2k | o |
| 22:05.42 | Pneumatus | as the original account is pre-bnet |
| 22:06.13 | Gnarfoz | was |
| 22:06.14 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 22:06.14 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: its also that low for alice because they dont have a MVLZ |
| 22:06.22 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I'm perfectly aware |
| 22:06.23 | Zasurus | Yer I don't understand why you can't call it what you want... it's not like they make them unique names!! |
| 22:06.48 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: also, they're comparing T-Com's Call & Surf... which has that stupid traffic limit |
| 22:06.53 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 22:06.58 | Gnarfoz | neither vodafone, 1&1 or alice have that |
| 22:06.58 | nevcairiel | but entertain is even more expensive |
| 22:07.04 | Gnarfoz | yeah... |
| 22:07.07 | Pneumatus | lol, because i made an RaF trial it auto-selected the right realm! |
| 22:07.14 | nevcairiel | i would, however, be fine paying for entertain |
| 22:07.29 | nevcairiel | i have just not given up on alice yet |
| 22:07.54 | Gnarfoz | I doubt the no-limit traffic and t-com's next-to-perfect routing would persuade me to get Entertain... because I don't watch TV anyway |
| 22:08.09 | Gnarfoz | at least, I'd first try alice, see how that works, they don't have MVLZ anyway |
| 22:08.10 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:08.31 | nevcairiel | If i could get the 50/10 from them, i wouldnt even consider switching |
| 22:08.57 | nevcairiel | i can get tv from alice as well, if i wanted to |
| 22:09.03 | nevcairiel | i already have the router for it! |
| 22:09.29 | nevcairiel | but weird that this article only mentions voip for alice |
| 22:09.46 | nevcairiel | maybe they are just ignoring areas like hamburg where alice owns a substantial part of the phone network |
| 22:10.35 | Gnarfoz | yeah, they say that near the beginning |
| 22:10.44 | Gnarfoz | they also left out M-Net and NetCologne etc |
| 22:10.53 | Gnarfoz | wilhelm.tel is also not in it, iirc |
| 22:11.10 | Gnarfoz | (even though they feature them in a multi-page article 5 pages later ^^) |
| 22:11.15 | nevcairiel | yeah, but that has a big section on it :p |
| 22:11.54 | nevcairiel | I like how KDG has this really opaque traffic limitation in the list |
| 22:11.57 | nevcairiel | (hi koaschten) |
| 22:12.21 | leech2k | Does everyone in Germany speak English? |
| 22:12.29 | nevcairiel | everyone thats cool |
| 22:13.17 | Niv | it seemed like most of the people in the larger cities I went to did |
| 22:13.21 | Niv | but not the smaller towns |
| 22:13.22 | Niv | :) |
| 22:14.46 | nevcairiel | i think everyone should speak english anyway, its one of those basic skills thats really required in todays world |
| 22:14.58 | koaschten | nevcairiel i gonna make you feel better, i just plotted my hourly data ... http://goo.gl/J6gBg |
| 22:15.35 | koaschten | leech2k might be due to secondary school teaches english usually as first non-native language and that for at least 4 years |
| 22:15.38 | nevcairiel | that looks funny |
| 22:15.43 | koaschten | i actually had 9 years english in school |
| 22:15.56 | koaschten | nevcairiel not at all if you consider it should be at 32.000 up there ;) |
| 22:15.56 | sylvanaar_work | you know my german teacher from high school just friended me on facebook |
| 22:16.03 | leech2k | I am from the US and I don't even know if I did 9 years of English. lol |
| 22:16.39 | nevcairiel | started in 5th grade for me, i hear some even start in primary school now |
| 22:16.48 | Niv | seems useful indeed |
| 22:16.50 | sylvanaar_work | you did 12 years leech2k |
| 22:16.52 | koaschten | (and 2 semesters business english in uni, which i just sat in, twiddling thumbs, cause my english was better than the teacher's) |
| 22:17.05 | sylvanaar_work | before college |
| 22:17.18 | koaschten | yeah nevcairiel my mom is a elementary school teacher |
| 22:17.27 | koaschten | they teach english basics in 2nd grade now |
| 22:17.28 | leech2k | sylvanaar_work: Meh, not really. Since if you works the current running start system you can skip out on 1.5 years. |
| 22:17.42 | koaschten | but yeah, i did english grade 5 to 13... |
| 22:17.47 | nevcairiel | we didnt have mandatory english courses in university, but some courses simply were in english, so you either managed, or got help :p |
| 22:17.50 | sylvanaar_work | well those still count as having been done no? |
| 22:18.39 | leech2k | Yeah, pretty much. |
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| 22:18.54 | koaschten | what probably helped me a lot with english (and learning to type) was playing a telnet based MUD for 3 years ^^ |
| 22:18.57 | nevcairiel | I dont think university can really teach you a language, as university here seems to be mostly about listening to the professors, but you need the practice in speaking thats really helpful |
| 22:19.03 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, my uncle is CPO of Deutche Bank, and the official language of the bank is english |
| 22:19.28 | nevcairiel | I was two month in england during my school-time, that was helpful too |
| 22:19.28 | koaschten | nevcairiel Flensburg doesn't have profs doing languages, we have external teachers for languages |
| 22:19.51 | koaschten | and it's 20 people tops, so you get to talk a lot |
| 22:20.01 | leech2k | So if you go purchase a computer at your local retail store in Germany is everything in German? Or is there still English in some apps and coumentation? |
| 22:20.13 | leech2k | documentation* |
| 22:20.14 | koaschten | total german |
| 22:20.14 | nevcairiel | stuff is translated everywhere |
| 22:20.16 | sylvanaar_work | chinese |
| 22:20.25 | nevcairiel | but manuals come in multilanguage anyway |
| 22:20.29 | nevcairiel | i tend to read the english parts |
| 22:21.04 | nevcairiel | There is like only a handful of countries that actually dub every single piece of TV |
| 22:21.07 | nevcairiel | germany is one of those |
| 22:21.09 | koaschten | the worst is, they re-sync all movies for the cinema, there is basically no english stuff on the cinema unless you have a theater that does "native language days" ;) |
| 22:21.13 | nevcairiel | as is france, and i think thats about it :P |
| 22:21.21 | koaschten | ^^ |
| 22:21.46 | koaschten | SO .. how is your M&Ms stock people? |
| 22:21.52 | nevcairiel | one bag gone |
| 22:21.54 | koaschten | i am down 2 bags :( |
| 22:21.57 | nevcairiel | wow |
| 22:22.14 | sylvanaar_work | oh M&M's |
| 22:22.19 | leech2k | Do programming languages use the typical english syntax still? |
| 22:22.24 | nevcairiel | i would probably burn through them faster if i would take one to work or something |
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| 22:23.20 | nevcairiel | speaking of work, i'm doing home office tomorrow, that will cost some M&Ms |
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| 22:23.57 | leech2k | is an ignorant American. |
| 22:25.17 | sylvanaar_work | did you know that in mexico they dont have @ on their keyboards |
| 22:25.31 | Stanzilla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMhh8zhTiY >.< |
| 22:25.36 | sylvanaar_work | just isnt there |
| 22:26.23 | koaschten | leech2k as long as you ignorant american don't ask if hitler is still in charge over here, you are better than half the rest over there ;) |
| 22:26.36 | Stanzilla | (he is) |
| 22:26.51 | koaschten | throws some peanut M&Ms at Stanzilla. |
| 22:26.58 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 22:27.01 | nevcairiel | speaking of |
| 22:27.01 | nevcairiel | http://www.explosm.net/comics/2242/ |
| 22:27.23 | Stanzilla | I'll be in flensburg over new year |
| 22:27.31 | Stanzilla | watch out! |
| 22:27.46 | Repo | 10train-conductor: 03casualcorps 07master * v0.95 TrainConductor.toc: [+1 commit] toc update |
| 22:27.49 | nevcairiel | anything good in flensburg? i have no plans yet |
| 22:27.50 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:27.51 | Repo | 10train-conductor: 03casualcorps 04v0.95 * f37a723 /: [new tag] tagging as v0.95 release |
| 22:28.04 | Stanzilla | not for you! |
| 22:28.48 | koaschten | i'll invite you to a flensburger.... Stanzilla |
| 22:28.51 | koaschten | http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/6j1bz1gf/FlensburgerWasser.JPG |
| 22:28.52 | koaschten | ;) |
| 22:28.54 | Repo | 10taunt_tattle: 03casualcorps 07master * v0.95 Taunt_Tattle.toc: [+1 commit] updating toc |
| 22:29.00 | Repo | 10taunt_tattle: 03casualcorps 04v0.95 * c353ce5 /: [new tag] tagging as v0.95 release |
| 22:29.04 | leech2k | Didn't Hitler move to North Korea? |
| 22:29.08 | Stanzilla | woah awesome |
| 22:29.38 | koaschten | yeah, now i don't feel so awkward when going on a party anymore as i dont drink alcohol ;) |
| 22:29.56 | leech2k | Water? |
| 22:30.02 | Stanzilla | for a reason or just because? |
| 22:30.13 | koaschten | just because |
| 22:30.14 | Megalon | his reason is treason! |
| 22:30.25 | sylvanaar_work | oh, you cant be german and not drink |
| 22:30.26 | koaschten | dunno, had no bad experience with alcohol, i just dont like drinking it |
| 22:31.03 | sylvanaar_work | that like being french and not liking cheese |
| 22:31.10 | koaschten | i like to be in control of myself and i am usually older than the crowd i hang with and that puts me in this "big brother" position ;) |
| 22:31.20 | Stanzilla | I'm german and I don't like beer |
| 22:31.21 | Megalon | sylvanaar_work: "Hey do you like to drink?" "Ofcourse i like to drink! I'm from [insert persons native country here]" |
| 22:31.28 | *** part/#wowace Thaoky (Thaoky@96.134-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 22:31.30 | Stanzilla | (only if it is mixed with XXX) |
| 22:31.30 | nevcairiel | doesnt that get terribly annoying? |
| 22:31.37 | nevcairiel | I cant stand drunken people when i'm not drunk |
| 22:31.43 | Megalon | koaschten is into jailbait |
| 22:31.46 | koaschten | doesn't bother me |
| 22:31.49 | Megalon | I got it, wink wink, nudge nudge |
| 22:32.10 | koaschten | na Megalon, i got cured of that quite fast, i got a little sis *wink wink nudge nudge* |
| 22:32.35 | leech2k | Btw, whats the drinking age in Germany? |
| 22:32.37 | Megalon | you have to be austrian for that one |
| 22:32.47 | koaschten | leech2k 16 for beer, 18 for the rest |
| 22:32.47 | Stanzilla | leech2k: 18 |
| 22:32.47 | nevcairiel | leech2k: 16 for beer and wine, 18 for the hard stuff |
| 22:32.55 | leech2k | So nice. |
| 22:33.00 | koaschten | actually? no |
| 22:33.11 | nevcairiel | Rather have the kids not drink |
| 22:33.13 | Stanzilla | it's 18 for everything now? |
| 22:33.16 | Stanzilla | I thought |
| 22:33.16 | koaschten | because them kids start with 14... |
| 22:33.16 | sylvanaar_work | what about with your parents |
| 22:33.16 | leech2k | We always got arrested in high school... |
| 22:33.48 | koaschten | heck i work in catering and i am liable selling alcohol to minors |
| 22:33.55 | Megalon | haha, from someone who went to us |
| 22:34.02 | nevcairiel | I just read in the news this week, that the number of adolescents drinking into coma has increased again this year |
| 22:34.04 | koaschten | but you can't look at a girl nowadays and say if she is 14, 16 or 18 |
| 22:34.10 | nevcairiel | koaschten: id |
| 22:34.13 | Megalon | i heard he is glad the youngsters he start with the normal stuff when they are young |
| 22:34.21 | Megalon | he was disgusted by the things he saw |
| 22:34.29 | Megalon | when those college kids get alcohol for their first time |
| 22:34.30 | Megalon | :s |
| 22:34.38 | koaschten | yeah and then they go "thats insulting asking for id" and i reply "and i dont like get fined" and they look so cute at me then |
| 22:34.43 | koaschten | and then they turn around |
| 22:34.43 | *** join/#wowace Connor1 (Connor@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) |
| 22:34.45 | Connor1 | Okay |
| 22:34.52 | Connor1 | Blizzard totally ripped off Titan Quest for WotLK |
| 22:34.53 | koaschten | ... oh all those opportunities... |
| 22:35.01 | Stanzilla | I was asked for my id when I went to see resident evil :( |
| 22:35.02 | Connor1 | See: rogue |
| 22:35.03 | nevcairiel | they really try to flirt alcohol out of you? :D |
| 22:35.03 | Connor1 | http://titanquestvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Skills.List&category_select_id=8 |
| 22:35.03 | koaschten | tells us a game they didnt rip |
| 22:35.09 | Connor1 | See: Fury Warrior |
| 22:35.10 | Connor1 | http://titanquestvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Skills.List&category_select_id=5 |
| 22:35.10 | Stanzilla | twice |
| 22:35.25 | koaschten | Connor1 did you join just to link that stuff? |
| 22:35.31 | Connor1 | No I'm always in this channel |
| 22:35.33 | koaschten | you totally stomped into a conversation here |
| 22:35.36 | Connor1 | Oh well |
| 22:35.44 | leech2k | I was learning a lot! |
| 22:35.51 | koaschten | yeah nevcairiel |
| 22:35.56 | nevcairiel | also, for WotLK? You're two years late, bro |
| 22:35.58 | leech2k | About Germans... and Germany... |
| 22:36.23 | Connor1 | nevcairiel I just found this game a few days ago |
| 22:36.30 | koaschten | yeah and to teach you something new, its brezel with br like in bread and not prezels.... |
| 22:36.42 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:36.42 | Stanzilla | brezn! |
| 22:36.46 | koaschten | which one, titan quest or WoW? |
| 22:36.53 | Connor1 | Titan Quest |
| 22:37.03 | Megalon | gestern hobi an onständigen brezn ghobt! |
| 22:37.11 | arkanes | how is anythoing on those pages related to wow at all |
| 22:37.14 | Connor1 | Okay Blizzard and THQ ripped off each other lol |
| 22:37.17 | leech2k | Is Titan Quest that Diablo ripoff? |
| 22:37.20 | Connor1 | Yes |
| 22:37.23 | Connor1 | arkanes ability names and descriptions |
| 22:37.27 | Megalon | don't bother teaching them how to pronounce |
| 22:37.31 | arkanes | theres like 4 that have the same name |
| 22:37.33 | Megalon | they don't give a fuck anyways |
| 22:37.33 | Connor1 | And effects |
| 22:37.36 | arkanes | and most of them predate wotlk |
| 22:37.40 | Stanzilla | Megalon: i won't |
| 22:37.44 | nevcairiel | its not much of an ripoff if you justu se whatever someone stole from you before |
| 22:37.45 | Connor1 | arkanes that's my point... |
| 22:37.55 | arkanes | oh never mind |
| 22:38.03 | arkanes | you were trolling or its a dumb point anyway |
| 22:38.07 | Connor1 | I'm not trolling |
| 22:38.26 | Stanzilla | names are re-used everywhere, demon hunter in d3 has fan of knives, too |
| 22:38.37 | Connor1 | But that's Blizzard |
| 22:38.37 | Connor1 | Lol |
| 22:38.40 | Stanzilla | but it has a different name in german than wow |
| 22:38.42 | leech2k | So I guess I have some family in Nuremberg, maybe I will have to go visit sometime... maybe. |
| 22:38.43 | Stanzilla | that's cool |
| 22:38.44 | Connor1 | Also why would a demon hunter have FoK/ |
| 22:38.45 | Connor1 | ? |
| 22:38.48 | arkanes | well I just counted |
| 22:38.50 | nevcairiel | check some random MMO, they use the same basic abilities |
| 22:38.51 | Megalon | is a butcher a fan of knives |
| 22:39.04 | arkanes | there are 4 abilities on those pages that have the same name as wow abilities, although 1 of them is a druid ability |
| 22:39.15 | Stanzilla | yeah but why would the locale team translate it different for d3? |
| 22:39.18 | Stanzilla | makes no sense |
| 22:39.18 | arkanes | the only rogue one is disarm trap |
| 22:39.31 | arkanes | one of them is dual wield, which is about as generic as you can get |
| 22:39.33 | koaschten | Stanzilla because the localisation guys have NO CLUE what they are translating |
| 22:39.42 | koaschten | Baumkopf Holzstumpf anyone? |
| 22:39.44 | leech2k | I don't see why they even translate, everyone should just learn English :-) |
| 22:39.46 | Megalon | :D |
| 22:39.47 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 22:39.48 | koaschten | (or what was that stupid localisation) |
| 22:39.49 | arkanes | that leaves hamstring, which is not especially unique or special |
| 22:39.50 | nevcairiel | that was awesome |
| 22:39.59 | nevcairiel | diablo 2 boss names |
| 22:40.00 | nevcairiel | so awesome |
| 22:40.03 | Stanzilla | yeh |
| 22:40.09 | Stanzilla | translating boss names is stupid anyway |
| 22:40.15 | Megalon | koaschten: you mean like Billigschuss? |
| 22:40.16 | Megalon | :D |
| 22:40.26 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 22:40.28 | Megalon | the first translation in deDE for cheap shot :P |
| 22:40.30 | nevcairiel | they fixed that, aynway |
| 22:40.52 | koaschten | i really need to find that "history of funny german localisations" |
| 22:40.55 | nevcairiel | I still dont even like translated zone names |
| 22:40.56 | Stanzilla | Jaina Prachtmeer |
| 22:41.13 | nevcairiel | but i guess if you just start to play WoW now, it gives you a better overall feeling |
| 22:41.33 | Stanzilla | translations are just confusing people |
| 22:41.39 | nevcairiel | npcs on the other hand are bad again |
| 22:41.40 | Stanzilla | because half of the realm is using the english names |
| 22:41.45 | Stanzilla | "was ist ein festergut?" |
| 22:41.48 | Stanzilla | I read that |
| 22:41.50 | nevcairiel | because even the novels still use the original npc names |
| 22:42.08 | nevcairiel | well festergut isnt really much of a name |
| 22:42.13 | nevcairiel | its more a description |
| 22:42.17 | Megalon | can't wait for Rotes Hemd Typ |
| 22:42.20 | nevcairiel | i can understand translating that |
| 22:42.21 | arkanes | ooh realms are up |
| 22:42.24 | arkanes | and its early! |
| 22:42.53 | koaschten | hu? its 14:40 blizzard time, isnt it? |
| 22:43.03 | Stanzilla | Megalon: more like Wildhammer Faktenüberprüfer? |
| 22:43.06 | nevcairiel | should be, yes |
| 22:43.46 | arkanes | koaschten: yes |
| 22:43.48 | Megalon | they could call him Helmut Markwort |
| 22:43.50 | Megalon | herp di derp |
| 22:44.06 | nevcairiel | but at least today its very viable to play in english, you dont even need a ELP anymore, its all the same client |
| 22:44.34 | nevcairiel | back in classic or BC that was kidna annoyinc |
| 22:44.37 | nevcairiel | -c+g |
| 22:44.42 | arkanes | if everyone played in english we could get rid of libbabble and the world would be a better place |
| 22:45.14 | Stanzilla | ah |
| 22:45.23 | Stanzilla | Shefki: can we get rid of LHC in pb now? :( |
| 22:45.37 | arkanes | while we're at it, everyone should adopt western european conventions for names, too |
| 22:45.39 | nevcairiel | he wants to support it for the chinese <.< |
| 22:45.51 | arkanes | and number formatting |
| 22:46.03 | nevcairiel | how about metric system first |
| 22:46.28 | arkanes | we'll do metric once you guys do english language |
| 22:46.33 | arkanes | and right to left rendering |
| 22:46.49 | arkanes | oh and non-probabilistic word wrapping |
| 22:47.12 | Repo | 10bison: 03Grayal * r177 / (10 files in 1 directory): prepare for cata |
| 22:47.13 | koaschten | arkanes it would be awesome if we already could agree on dates being yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm |
| 22:47.27 | koaschten | and weights and measures metric ;) |
| 22:47.29 | arkanes | koaschten: everyone non-retarded does that already, even in the us |
| 22:47.46 | Repo | 10guildspy: 03Medalist * r2 / (4 files in 1 directory): first release |
| 22:47.50 | nevcairiel | most people in the US seem to be retarded, then |
| 22:47.53 | koaschten | roght to left rendering, what abomination is that? |
| 22:47.58 | arkanes | nevcairiel: I ain't denying |
| 22:48.08 | koaschten | s/roght/right |
| 22:48.11 | arkanes | koaschten: I meant getting rid of it |
| 22:48.18 | nevcairiel | we dont use it |
| 22:48.18 | arkanes | stupid hebrew |
| 22:48.32 | arkanes | by "you guys" I meant "the whole world" |
| 22:48.40 | arkanes | especially asia |
| 22:48.53 | nevcairiel | asia also renders from top to bottom |
| 22:48.56 | koaschten | my 0/0 is topleft (i am spoiled by matlab :( ) |
| 22:49.15 | arkanes | speaking of asia, the koreans are fighting |
| 22:49.36 | koaschten | no the northern are flexing muscles throwing ballistic grenades onto an island |
| 22:49.44 | arkanes | thats like fighting |
| 22:49.50 | Talryn | As far as I can tell the YYYY-MM-DD format is an ISO standard that only technical people prefer. Most people are still using other date formats. |
| 22:50.01 | koaschten | its not a fight if the other one is not fighting back |
| 22:50.10 | nevcairiel | no, its winning .) |
| 22:50.11 | arkanes | my understanding is that south korea did fire back |
| 22:50.19 | arkanes | but yes, what nev said :P |
| 22:50.25 | koaschten | not on german news |
| 22:50.25 | arkanes | those are the best kind of fights |
| 22:50.38 | koaschten | nk shot, sk mobilized army |
| 22:50.55 | nevcairiel | i shall go asleep before toda is over |
| 22:50.58 | nevcairiel | today* |
| 22:51.00 | nevcairiel | so, goodnight |
| 22:51.04 | koaschten | hey |
| 22:51.12 | koaschten | you have 8 minutes left nevcairiel |
| 22:51.20 | nevcairiel | better fall asleep fast then |
| 22:51.21 | Mirrormn | sk returned artillery fire |
| 22:51.22 | Megalon | tell gaylord-il to wait until gsl finals are over |
| 22:51.27 | Megalon | after that he can have south korea |
| 22:51.29 | Mirrormn | but all the shells landed in water |
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| 22:51.49 | arkanes | koaschten: "In an immediate response to the artillery barrage, Seoul scrambled F-16 fighter jets to the western sea and returned fire." |
| 22:52.06 | koaschten | ok, didnt hear about that yet |
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| 22:52.20 | arkanes | there's no more detail, though |
| 22:52.22 | koaschten | and i am basically watching the local news network all time on my secondary screen |
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| 22:54.05 | arkanes | ooooh cinematic time |
| 22:54.49 | leech2k | Finally! |
| 22:55.11 | Repo | 10skillet: 03yossa * r230 / (6 files in 2 directories): Skillet: |
| 22:55.12 | Repo | - standalone/mini queue window |
| 22:56.22 | leech2k | Crap forgot to set hearth to SW. |
| 22:56.22 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03StingerSoft * r3048 Locales/constants.ru.lua: ruRu update |
| 22:57.50 | arkanes | keeping it in dal until cata actually launches might be the way to go |
| 22:57.59 | leech2k | Yeah for holy priest buffage. |
| 22:58.30 | leech2k | meh |
| 22:58.44 | leech2k | I have nothing to do in Dal, and still have then eng transporter. |
| 22:58.58 | arkanes | if you're an eng you have no reason to ever leave dal |
| 22:59.12 | leech2k | ah nice no dismount flying above dal |
| 22:59.21 | leech2k | hmm |
| 22:59.27 | leech2k | arkanes: Good point. |
| 22:59.39 | arkanes | oh fucker, all the zone ids changed |
| 23:00.09 | Zasurus | hehe they are also different for different languages :| |
| 23:00.14 | leech2k | They added an AH for everyone in dal. |
| 23:00.25 | arkanes | really? |
| 23:00.28 | Zasurus | yer and removed the portals... |
| 23:00.31 | Zasurus | :( |
| 23:00.38 | leech2k | Yep, over by the badge vendors. |
| 23:02.10 | leech2k | They buffed chakra tons. |
| 23:02.22 | Zasurus | Oh have they updated silvermoon yet? |
| 23:02.32 | znf_ | they updated silvermoon? |
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| 23:02.37 | Zasurus | Or ANY of the northen Eastern Kingdoms |
| 23:02.48 | Zasurus | no I mean HAVE they? |
| 23:02.58 | Zasurus | As in can you fly in Everson woods? |
| 23:03.00 | znf_ | no idea, I'm on EU |
| 23:03.01 | Gagorian | At what level do you get the mastery bonus? |
| 23:03.07 | znf_ | 80 |
| 23:03.08 | arkanes | Zasurus: the zones are all there |
| 23:03.11 | Gagorian | k |
| 23:03.19 | arkanes | Zasurus: its the official cata world, but you still can't buy old world flying |
| 23:03.20 | Repo | 10skillet: 03yossa * r231 .pkgmeta: Skillet: |
| 23:03.21 | Repo | - fixed libPeriodicTable packaging |
| 23:03.37 | arkanes | that is reserved for launch date |
| 23:03.56 | Zasurus | I presumed it was but just the beta never had the new northen Eastern Kingdoms zones... |
| 23:04.06 | Zasurus | Nether does the PTR |
| 23:04.26 | Mirrormn | oh hey |
| 23:04.28 | arkanes | what do you mean by that exactly |
| 23:04.31 | Mirrormn | good times servers up |
| 23:04.40 | arkanes | I certainly played in new zones in the eastern kindgoms |
| 23:05.07 | Zasurus | As in everything above Eastern Plaguelands was still no fly zone and had old maps etc |
| 23:05.34 | arkanes | Zasurus: you must have been on a different beta |
| 23:05.43 | arkanes | the PTR never had the shattered world |
| 23:05.53 | Gagorian | It does now? |
| 23:05.53 | Zasurus | Yer it did as of a few days ago |
| 23:05.59 | arkanes | well maybe now |
| 23:06.03 | arkanes | do you mean silvermoon city? |
| 23:06.06 | Zasurus | yer |
| 23:06.12 | Zasurus | what did I say! :-( |
| 23:06.14 | Zasurus | lol |
| 23:06.31 | Mirrormn | what's a good addon that will automatically invite people who whisper me "invite"? |
| 23:06.40 | arkanes | oh I see what you mean now |
| 23:06.44 | Zasurus | Ghostlands aswell... does that have the new map |
| 23:06.55 | arkanes | silvermoon and qual'dans, all that stuff isn't part of the actual eastern kingdoms |
| 23:06.57 | Zasurus | It's like they just didn't like it lol |
| 23:07.06 | arkanes | its in a special world zone and you can't fly there, no |
| 23:07.18 | Zasurus | Yer in the beta there was an invisable wall it looked stupid! LOL |
| 23:07.36 | arkanes | Mirrormn: ORA3 |
| 23:08.20 | arkanes | oh motherfucker |
| 23:08.25 | Zasurus | lol what? |
| 23:08.26 | arkanes | old world is [flyable] now |
| 23:08.30 | orionshock | squire needs another update |
| 23:08.40 | arkanes | messes up my mount addon |
| 23:09.31 | arkanes | heh I'll just spam it until it chooses my touring rocket |
| 23:09.32 | Adirelle | gah |
| 23:09.59 | orionshock | iirc Adirelle IsSpellUseable works on mounts |
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| 23:10.45 | Repo | 10guildspy: 03Medalist * r3 GuildSpy.toc: release |
| 23:11.37 | Adirelle | orionshock, I know, Squire2 actually uses it |
| 23:11.54 | orionshock | goes and reinstalls squire to new one... |
| 23:11.59 | Adirelle | I just guess it doesn't return any meaning value for old world without old world flying |
| 23:12.11 | Adirelle | s/meaning/meaningful/ |
| 23:12.21 | orionshock | really? |
| 23:12.23 | orionshock | that's messed up |
| 23:12.27 | Adirelle | I don't know |
| 23:12.41 | Adirelle | there was several different states on beta |
| 23:12.55 | Adirelle | at some point, you could use your flying mounts without flying permission |
| 23:13.06 | Adirelle | and you couldn't take over |
| 23:13.19 | Adirelle | but you could still move on the ground with them |
| 23:13.25 | Adirelle | very gracefully... |
| 23:14.14 | Adirelle | anyway, you'll have to wait until I get access to the shattered world (EU there) |
| 23:15.10 | Repo | 10acp: 03sylvanaar * r127 ACP.lua: set the scale of acp's frame |
| 23:15.31 | orionshock | Adirelle, u on eu or us realms? |
| 23:15.47 | arkanes | heh, "Orgrimmar1" |
| 23:16.24 | leech2k | Well, crap, the Valiance keep boat is just a giant purple cube. And I can't seem to get on it. |
| 23:16.36 | Zasurus | THE BORG! |
| 23:16.44 | Zasurus | They kept that quiet! ;) |
| 23:17.39 | arkanes | leech2k: that happens sometimes when there's data streaming |
| 23:17.56 | arkanes | give it a few and see if it fixes |
| 23:17.59 | leech2k | arkanes: Wierd thing is, it says I am 100% downloaded. |
| 23:18.15 | arkanes | delete cache maybe |
| 23:18.27 | leech2k | Maybe, could be a wine bug also I guess. |
| 23:18.30 | arkanes | I got into dal before i had any of the building models loaded, place looked bizarre |
| 23:19.31 | *** join/#wowace Lisimba (~Lisimba@83.117.16.239) |
| 23:19.47 | Adirelle | orionshock, eu realms |
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| 23:22.27 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden * r110 Auracle.toc: - version 1.2.3 |
| 23:23.06 | orionshock | grr, wholib is in debug mode... |
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| 23:25.18 | Repo | 10bison: 03Grayal * r178 / (5 files in 1 directory): prepare for cata |
| 23:25.34 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden 041.2.3 * r111 : Tagging as 1.2.3 |
| 23:29.42 | orionshock | Adirelle, dynperf needs an update too :) |
| 23:31.18 | sztanpet | +1 |
| 23:31.19 | sztanpet | :D |
| 23:31.51 | orionshock | lol |
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| 23:35.26 | Primer | Anyone know where the option to show quest info in mob tooltips went? |
| 23:35.33 | Primer | I'm guessing that wasn't an addon |
| 23:35.52 | Primer | I used to get "0/6 wolves slain" when mousing over quest mobs |
| 23:35.56 | Primer | now I don't |
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| 23:40.54 | leech2k | o blizz mad an annoucement |
| 23:41.43 | leech2k | "If you're experiencing any issues entering the game world with specific characters, zoning into the Eastern Kingdoms, or seeing a pink square where boats should be, ..." |
| 23:42.25 | Repo | 10acp: 03sylvanaar * r128 ACP.lua: make the /acp command toggle the window |
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| 23:44.46 | Adirelle | orionshock, CBA to do it ATM :p |
| 23:45.49 | orionshock | ok so what exactly happened to thrall? |
| 23:46.55 | VonhintenHOME` | hmm, stuck at "Curse Client is updating to version 4.0.1.104" |
| 23:46.58 | VonhintenHOME` | won't complete |
| 23:47.01 | arkanes | orionshock: he resigned as warchief in order to embrace shamanism, was appointed guardian of tirisfal, and right now is at the maelstrom trying to stabilize the portal to deepholme |
| 23:47.09 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r100 / (2 files in 1 directory): updates for 4.0.3a |
| 23:47.36 | orionshock | ah... who appointed him there? |
| 23:48.38 | arkanes | the council of tirisfal |
| 23:48.44 | arkanes | or whatver its called |
| 23:48.53 | arkanes | its like jaina, malfurion, and some other people |
| 23:49.03 | orionshock | wtb lore book |
| 23:49.09 | arkanes | Primer: I still have objective tooltips, and I can't find an option to turn them off |
| 23:49.16 | arkanes | wowwiki has it |
| 23:49.21 | arkanes | or whatever its called now |
| 23:49.37 | orionshock | wowpeida |
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| 23:50.48 | arkanes | this is... odd |
| 23:50.57 | arkanes | I'm not getting credit for killing quest mobs |
| 23:52.02 | Megalon | leave raid noa |
| 23:52.37 | arkanes | heh |
| 23:52.38 | arkanes | indeed! |
| 23:52.41 | arkanes | I was testing the raid markers |
| 23:54.08 | Primer | and now that text magically came back...odd |
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| 23:58.46 | Hjalte | I don't suppose anyone will update TourGuide with guides for Cata? |
