| 00:00.05 | Shefki | Because it's r977 that I'm getting this issue with. |
| 00:00.57 | nevcairiel | 976 and 977 both have the problem |
| 00:01.05 | Shefki | For what it's worth we're passing the module table to EnableModule or DisableModule and if you try to print a modules table it prints the name applied with SetName |
| 00:01.12 | nevcairiel | 978 was a full revert, including library version, so it wouldnt upgrade anymore |
| 00:01.19 | Shefki | which is probably why it's printing localized named for modules. |
| 00:02.10 | Shefki | I've also got this ticket: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/843-everything-is-not-working/ |
| 00:02.24 | Shefki | Which I'm thinking might be related now. |
| 00:02.37 | nevcairiel | he might just be on beta |
| 00:02.41 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 00:02.51 | Shefki | Hmm nm, he's got r981 of Ace3 installed. |
| 00:03.08 | nevcairiel | indeed, the standalone would load first |
| 00:03.20 | Shefki | Yeah he's probably on beta. |
| 00:03.33 | Shefki | It was a crappy bug report and ohh look it came in via CC. |
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| 00:03.47 | Shefki | I wish I could reject bug reports via CC because they're all crap. |
| 00:04.13 | nevcairiel | even if they are half-good, CC users don't go to the page to check for feedback |
| 00:05.09 | Shefki | The only value in them is the fact that the addon list is included when tracking down this sort of library crap. |
| 00:07.12 | Parnic | is there some super secret debug option that allows me to see what caused an "installation failed" message? |
| 00:07.19 | Parnic | it happens _way_ too often |
| 00:07.30 | Parnic | (re: curse client) |
| 00:07.39 | Shefki | Parnic: Probably means the download didn't complete. |
| 00:07.58 | Parnic | didn't complete? how does a download not complete and the client go ahead and attempt to extract it? :P |
| 00:08.08 | Parnic | is CC open source? i really want to know why these fail so often |
| 00:08.16 | nevcairiel | nop its not |
| 00:08.18 | Nexiuz | btw, is CancelUnitBuff a lost case or is there still some hope? |
| 00:08.25 | nevcairiel | no hope |
| 00:08.26 | Shefki | Nexiuz: Lost cause. |
| 00:08.30 | Nexiuz | ... |
| 00:08.50 | Nexiuz | That was my brand new buff addon :( |
| 00:09.32 | Parnic | time to .net reflector my way to CC source, then. |
| 00:09.38 | sylvanaar | you can see the CC source very easily |
| 00:09.44 | Parnic | yeah i'm looking at it now |
| 00:09.53 | sylvanaar | i do it all the time |
| 00:10.13 | Shefki | Parnic: I'd bet it means "Install failed" as a generic error message for anything from download to actuall install. |
| 00:10.31 | Parnic | shefki: right, hence my original question of how to figure out what the heck actually happened :) |
| 00:10.47 | sylvanaar | look in the log |
| 00:10.59 | sylvanaar | doesnt it show in there? |
| 00:11.10 | Parnic | now we're getting somewhere - where is the log? :) |
| 00:11.19 | sylvanaar | help menu |
| 00:12.01 | sylvanaar | Addon Install - Unable to delete unzipped folder. Details: Type: System.IO.IOException |
| 00:12.06 | sylvanaar | stuff like that is in there |
| 00:12.23 | Parnic | boatloads of DirectoryNotFoundException and UnauthorizedAccessException |
| 00:12.34 | Parnic | which doesn't explain why clicking "update" again works fine |
| 00:13.02 | sylvanaar | virus scanner? |
| 00:13.20 | sylvanaar | have one of those? |
| 00:13.25 | Parnic | only have the windows defender thingy whatever running. nothing else |
| 00:13.31 | sylvanaar | ah |
| 00:13.55 | SunTsu | Shefki: Nevermind, it's a buff on the ghoul, not combo points like |
| 00:13.57 | Parnic | microsoft security essentials |
| 00:14.34 | sylvanaar | indexer |
| 00:14.34 | Parnic | it's more likely that the client is locking the file in one place and not releasing it before the update process happens |
| 00:14.44 | sylvanaar | possibly |
| 00:15.09 | Parnic | i think i disabled indexing as my wow install is on an SSD |
| 00:15.54 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 00:16.38 | sylvanaar | i have looked at this before, it restores from a backup if the very first install fails |
| 00:17.07 | sylvanaar | that backup might not be releasing the files fast enough |
| 00:17.18 | Parnic | seems most likely |
| 00:17.42 | Parnic | maybe being on an SSD is somehow exacerbating the problem, but i get at least one or two that fail installs every single time i run the client |
| 00:17.48 | sylvanaar | nah |
| 00:17.56 | sylvanaar | i have on SSD and on HD both |
| 00:18.34 | Nexiuz | Just thinking, for CancelUnitBuff: I can move a SecureActionButton out of combat right. What about if I create 1 SecureButton that I place on top of a buff button if the mouse is entering that buff button with the secure handler for CancelUnitBuff? |
| 00:18.52 | nevcairiel | sure, but buffs change in combat |
| 00:18.55 | nevcairiel | alot, usually |
| 00:18.57 | Nexiuz | indeed |
| 00:19.00 | Shefki | Nexiuz: Alright how do you know which buff to cancel? |
| 00:19.07 | Nexiuz | and it works only out of combat thene |
| 00:19.16 | Nexiuz | *then |
| 00:19.26 | Shefki | Nexiuz: You can use SecureAuraHeaders. |
| 00:19.39 | Shefki | But you're pretty limited with respect to what you can do and they're buggy. |
| 00:19.40 | Nexiuz | yup, but I got my own sorting and filtering code |
| 00:19.47 | Parnic | you can't has |
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| 00:20.32 | Shefki | Nexiuz: My suggestion is to do what I'm going to try and do eventually which is to allow a cancel icon to be made that expands out the window that lets you click off the buff. |
| 00:20.40 | Nexiuz | And I hate it if I lose my filtering, its the best part of the buff addon http://static.curseforge.net/content/images/26/941/FilterEditor.png |
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| 00:21.00 | Nexiuz | I was thinking that also |
| 00:21.18 | Parnic | ~seen ckknight |
| 00:21.32 | purl | ckknight <~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 8d 23h 31m 12s ago, saying: 'Mephs: BlizzCon'. |
| 00:21.36 | Nexiuz | maybe a keybind that pops up a small window with the secure headers where ppl can click off auras |
| 00:21.52 | cubed | Any idea how to get a screenshot WITH the cursor in it? Mine never comes through, @_@ |
| 00:22.21 | thelibrarian | I always just photoshop one in if I really need it, lol |
| 00:22.32 | Nexiuz | lol |
| 00:22.38 | Nexiuz | fraps can do it I think |
| 00:22.48 | Nexiuz | let me check |
| 00:23.08 | SunTsu | cubed: did you both try Window's and WoW's screenshot facility? |
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| 00:23.34 | cubed | yes |
| 00:23.58 | Baps | try turning off hardware cursor? |
| 00:24.41 | cubed | perfect |
| 00:25.08 | Nexiuz | fraps dont ss with cursor (only when making a movie you will see it) |
| 00:25.48 | SunTsu | er, make a small movie and isolate a frame :> |
| 00:25.53 | cubed | hardware cursor disable did the trick |
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| 00:26.19 | Shefki | nevcairiel: So playing around with this it's pretty clear that it loses track of modules when AceAddOn upgrades. |
| 00:26.33 | Shefki | Not all modules, just some and it's not always consistent. |
| 00:26.51 | nevcairiel | It shouldnt lose track. It would just reset their enable state |
| 00:27.00 | Shefki | That's not what is happeneing. |
| 00:27.10 | cubed | Is anyone of aware of a way to detect cursor visibility, I looked for a while but couldn't think of anything? i.e., when you right click, or left click in the world the cursor disappears - I'd like to know it's not visible |
| 00:27.23 | nevcairiel | Oh, and IsModule might start returning false, i guess |
| 00:27.35 | nevcairiel | wonders if GetModule checks that |
| 00:27.37 | Shefki | EnableModule is puking when you give it the table for the module. |
| 00:27.53 | Shefki | When it tries to call GetModule, GetModule says it can't find the module. |
| 00:27.59 | Nexiuz | cubed: Hook the UIParent? |
| 00:28.48 | Shefki | RIght now if the first AceAddOn that loads is before your fix, things are broken. |
| 00:29.05 | Shefki | So in order for things to work right the first AceAddOn has to be newer than r980. |
| 00:29.09 | Shefki | Otherwise it breaks things. |
| 00:29.39 | Shefki | The problem will become progressively worse as more addons start packaging your updated AceAddOn. |
| 00:30.09 | Shefki | Any addon that loads before a newer addon but still has an older version of AceAddOn is going to have issues. |
| 00:30.19 | nevcairiel | The new version does not do anything to the modules table |
| 00:30.44 | Shefki | Loading the newer one first prevents the problem because there's no upgrade to happen. |
| 00:30.52 | nevcairiel | The only change is that the order in which modules load might've changed. It'll now use the same order as you declare them |
| 00:31.23 | nevcairiel | But if that would be a problem, it would also be a problem without the upgrade |
| 00:31.29 | Shefki | That's not really relevent for me. Load order doesn't matter to me, they're all load on demand anyway. |
| 00:31.50 | Shefki | Well you've got a deeper upgrade problem then. |
| 00:33.19 | Shefki | Because if I run r978 which all it did was revert the changes that created the problems out as my standalone installed version and then another addon I have which has r981 embedded loads, I get errors from PB4 that loaded before the r981 did. |
| 00:33.47 | Shefki | Let me roll back to r971 release and see what happnes with that. |
| 00:35.22 | Shefki | Same problem there. |
| 00:35.29 | Shefki | There's some sort of issue with upgrading. |
| 00:35.29 | nevcairiel | The modules table is not written to at all, except when creating a new module. I don't see how anything can vanish from it |
| 00:36.51 | nevcairiel | the GetModule error throwing the localized name would indicate that there is an issue though |
| 00:37.01 | nevcairiel | If it didnt find the module, how would it know the localized name |
| 00:37.06 | Shefki | http://paste.wowace.com/2744/ |
| 00:37.19 | Shefki | My standalone Ace3 installed there is r971. |
| 00:37.25 | Shefki | Skinner has r981 in it. |
| 00:37.40 | Shefki | EnableModule is called by passing the module table to it. |
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| 00:38.03 | nevcairiel | You know, EnableModule is supposed to be caleld with the module name |
| 00:38.03 | Azerith | Rokiyo: moo |
| 00:38.06 | nevcairiel | not the table |
| 00:38.26 | nevcairiel | it has a __tostring setup, which prints the localized name |
| 00:38.32 | nevcairiel | which would explain all this weirdness |
| 00:39.39 | nevcairiel | If you have the table of the module, call tbl:Enable() |
| 00:39.47 | nevcairiel | if you dont, call addon:GetModule(name):Enable() |
| 00:39.52 | nevcairiel | or |
| 00:39.56 | nevcairiel | addon:EnableModule(name) |
| 00:40.04 | nevcairiel | that function doesn't do more then the above ^ |
| 00:40.11 | nevcairiel | but don't pass in a table to EnableModule |
| 00:40.16 | nevcairiel | i have no idea how that ever worked |
| 00:40.58 | Kaelten | sylvanaar: ping |
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| 00:43.03 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I see what the problem is. |
| 00:43.15 | Shefki | When you upgrade the lib do you overwrite the mixins? |
| 00:43.21 | nevcairiel | yes, of course |
| 00:43.31 | Shefki | ckknight bad ckknight. |
| 00:43.39 | Shefki | nevcairiel: function PitBull4:EnableModule(module) |
| 00:43.44 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 00:44.20 | Shefki | --- Enable a module properly. |
| 00:44.26 | nevcairiel | or not |
| 00:44.27 | Shefki | -- Unlike module:Enable(), this tracks it in the DB as well as updates any frames. |
| 00:44.55 | nevcairiel | guess we should modify some of the libraries more often to find gems like that =) |
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| 00:48.15 | Shefki | nevcairiel: And of course that function does take the table. |
| 00:48.22 | Shefki | Since it ultimately calls module:Enable() |
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| 00:59.11 | sylvanaar | Kaelten: pong |
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| 01:16.50 | Repo | 10mrtrader: 03kolenka * r181 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 01:16.51 | Repo | - Eliminate updates being sent to the official addon when MrTrader is the window. |
| 01:16.52 | Repo | - Make some tweaks on how we handle updates to refresh contents faster than we normally do. |
| 01:23.51 | harl | are there any public statistics about players' pets' names? |
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| 01:24.23 | harl | /on |
| 01:24.32 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * v4.0.0-beta15-7-g3824aa6 / (3 files in 3 directories): [+1 commit] Fix problems with AceAddOn upgrades. |
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| 01:25.00 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Thanks, for helping me figure that out. |
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| 01:34.16 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 04v4.0.0-beta16 * 2c16802 /: [new tag] Tagging as v4.0.0-beta16 |
| 01:35.07 | Parnic|mobile | Poor irc999 not supporting colors |
| 01:41.44 | Morwrath | Anyone know how I can get hooksecurefunc() to work correctly when trying to hook to a guild window function (eg, ToggleGuildFrame())? As of right now, trying to perform the action before the guild window was manually opened (i.e. pressing the J key), it returns errors. Also this coordinates with trying to use GuildFrame:HookScript() before the guild frame was manually opened by the user |
| 01:43.19 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r695 / (19 files in 4 directories): run source formatter on the debug directory |
| 01:43.20 | Repo | run source formatter on the addon directory |
| 01:43.21 | Repo | run source formatter on the services directory |
| 01:43.22 | Repo | tag latest on ace3 |
| 01:43.48 | sylvanaar | that should make shefki happy |
| 01:46.04 | Shefki | sylvanaar: :) |
| 01:46.17 | sylvanaar | http://hg.wowace.com/wow/prat-3-0/mainline/rev/4b041b19370d |
| 01:46.25 | sylvanaar | i love my new repo |
| 01:47.31 | sylvanaar | some of this stuff in my pkgmeta is really old, and its like, it works so why mess with it |
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| 01:58.58 | Parnic | !api UnitAura |
| 01:58.58 | lua_bot | UnitAura: Returns information about buffs/debuffs on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura) |
| 02:00.17 | vhaarr | Morwrath: hooksecurefunc will execute your function /after/ the hook |
| 02:00.36 | vhaarr | Morwrath: and, if my memory holds, so will :HookScript |
| 02:04.05 | Hirsute | Aye, all secure hooking is post-hooking. |
| 02:04.16 | Aens|Superiority | is sharedmedia still supported or is there an alternative now to insert fonts into ace addons? |
| 02:04.25 | Parnic | it's still supported |
| 02:04.56 | Aens|Superiority | i haven't been able to get it to work since 4.0 and the last version is 2009 on curse. |
| 02:05.09 | Shefki | Aens|Superiority: Load out of Date Addons. |
| 02:05.11 | vhaarr | it works fine, you're doing it wrong |
| 02:05.27 | Shefki | The TOC file hasn't been bumped in forever. Not that it matters because it doesn't do anything with the API. |
| 02:05.44 | Aens|Superiority | I have loaded out of date addons. Maybe its one of the not completely broken addons that I run thats causing this problem |
| 02:05.55 | Aens|Superiority | ebb probably. |
| 02:06.06 | Shefki | Running EBB is not going to break SharedMedia. |
| 02:06.10 | Shefki | EBB even mostly works. |
| 02:06.20 | Aens|Superiority | yeah, i'm just going by bugsack |
| 02:06.34 | Aens|Superiority | ebb and some grid addons are the only things that give me an error |
| 02:06.36 | Shefki | If you have an error use the paste URL in the topic to paste it. |
| 02:06.50 | Shefki | Assuming the error actually mentions SharedMedia. |
| 02:06.52 | Shefki | Which I doubt. |
| 02:06.56 | Aens|Superiority | yeah, it doesnt |
| 02:07.36 | Shefki | Wait you said fonts? |
| 02:07.42 | Aens|Superiority | yes |
| 02:07.42 | Shefki | SharedMedia doesn't include fonts anymore. |
| 02:07.47 | Shefki | You have to provide your own fonts. |
| 02:07.58 | Aens|Superiority | yeah, I had mymedia stuff |
| 02:08.01 | Mirrormn | (SharedMediaAdditionalFonts) |
| 02:08.58 | Aens|Superiority | ah, I see. thanks. |
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| 02:18.52 | Parnic | mornin' rokiyo ;) |
| 02:19.05 | Rokiyo | howdy |
| 02:19.24 | cubed | oh man, I made my first-ish addon, :P |
| 02:19.37 | Rokiyo | going to sleep with buggy code and waking up to find it all magically fixed is a new experience, lol |
| 02:19.54 | Parnic | lol |
| 02:20.04 | Parnic | cooldown wipe works fine for weapon enchants in that patch i submitted, btw :) |
| 02:20.11 | Rokiyo | woot |
| 02:21.08 | Aens|Superiority | curious lack of instructions in sharedmediaadditionalfonts on how to add my own fonts. |
| 02:21.25 | Azerith | woo Rokiyo :P |
| 02:21.34 | Rokiyo | lol hai |
| 02:22.01 | cubed | Does anyone know how to determine cursor visibility |
| 02:22.12 | Parnic | cubed: i'm unaware of any way to do that |
| 02:22.19 | Rokiyo | stumbles off to go find coffee |
| 02:22.44 | Parnic | it's 9:30pm, coffee will just keep you awake! ;) |
| 02:23.01 | Shefki | cubed: What do you mean by that? |
| 02:23.19 | Parnic | [07:27:04p] [cubed] Is anyone of aware of a way to detect cursor visibility, I looked for a while but couldn't think of anything? i.e., when you right click, or left click in the world the cursor disappears - I'd like to know it's not visible |
| 02:24.02 | Shefki | Doubt there's any way to detect that. |
| 02:24.31 | Azerith | tis 1224 where we are Parnic |
| 02:24.36 | Azerith | pm that is |
| 02:24.52 | Parnic | that's crazypants. 15 hour difference? |
| 02:24.56 | Parnic | you're way in the future |
| 02:25.00 | Azerith | tis also the 30th :P |
| 02:25.15 | Parnic | i don't want to hear any of your mumbo jumbo, future space-man |
| 02:25.21 | cubed | Oh nice I found a way, :) |
| 02:26.08 | Azerith | runs around screaming "the voices from the past keep comming back to haunt me" |
| 02:26.48 | Azerith | i should introduce myself, Parnic im Rokiyo's flatmate |
| 02:26.59 | Parnic | hello |
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| 02:27.30 | Rokiyo | back |
| 02:27.32 | cubed | Hooking WorldFrame OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp and looking for LeftMouse, RightMouse |
| 02:27.33 | Rokiyo | and yeh, he is :P |
| 02:27.49 | Rokiyo | he's been looking over my shoulder with great interest :P |
| 02:27.59 | Parnic | creepy |
| 02:28.02 | Azerith | hi :P ive been playing in python recently trying to get him into it but wow and lua did a better job, so im starting to read up now |
| 02:28.03 | Rokiyo | lawl |
| 02:28.45 | cubed | and also for button = GetBindingKey("MOVEANDSTEER") (with a special case for middlebutton) |
| 02:28.47 | Rokiyo | lol, it was a matter of lua being more relevant to my interests :P |
| 02:28.58 | Parnic | let's see, 12:30pm....australia? |
| 02:29.02 | Rokiyo | yup |
| 02:29.08 | Parnic | that explains the time difference |
| 02:29.12 | Rokiyo | now who's creepy? :P |
| 02:29.24 | Parnic | well i was trying to figure out how the heck you got 15 hours into the future! |
| 02:29.37 | Rokiyo | i'm a mage irl, i time warped |
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| 02:36.33 | Rokiyo | oh, speaking of being creepy, I was looking at your website the other day |
| 02:36.39 | Parnic | uh oh |
| 02:36.45 | Rokiyo | gearbox? ritual?! hory shet! |
| 02:36.56 | Parnic | mmhmm |
| 02:38.05 | Rokiyo | for some crazy reason it never occured to me that people addon authors by night might actually be real programmers by day. derp |
| 02:38.16 | Rokiyo | people who are* |
| 02:38.17 | Parnic | lol |
| 02:38.39 | Parnic | i guess i code too much |
| 02:39.25 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 * r42 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 02:39.26 | Repo | * Now also tracking and showing offline people, and marking abilities provided |
| 02:39.27 | Repo | only by offline people as red. |
| 02:39.34 | Rokiyo | i don't code enough... last time I wrote anything was about 3 years ago |
| 02:39.44 | Rokiyo | hence azerith trying to push me back into it |
| 02:39.48 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r725 modules/Totems.lua: |
| 02:39.50 | Repo | - fixed yet more closure garbage being generated in the totems module. eventually i'm going to find all of it. |
| 02:40.49 | Firepatch | Parnic you do coding as a day job? |
| 02:41.02 | Firepatch | ive been considering going back to school for my masters in computer science |
| 02:41.14 | Rokiyo | oh wow... the packager finally got done with Prat?! say it isn't so! |
| 02:41.39 | Parnic | firepatch: yeah i do |
| 02:41.56 | Firepatch | seems much more of an open market on coders |
| 02:42.11 | Firepatch | at least more so then the job market for political science majors |
| 02:44.10 | Rokiyo | pol sci majors with differing opinions are terrifying when you put them in the same room... they're so... fervent... |
| 02:44.26 | Parnic | ah-ha, finally able to reproduce the bug where you can get your mana bar stuck as the wrong color as a druid |
| 02:44.39 | Rokiyo | oh? |
| 02:44.47 | Rokiyo | i've never had that problem o.O |
| 02:44.49 | Parnic | apparently you have to be in caster form mounted outside an instance, then get ported in with the LFG system, and be in a form when you're ported out |
| 02:45.03 | Parnic | it will put you back in caster form on your mount with your in-instance form's power color |
| 02:46.08 | Rokiyo | a druid that uses a mount instead of flight form? what is this madness? |
| 02:46.18 | Parnic | riding around a capital :) |
| 02:46.25 | Parnic | so apparently UNIT_DISPLAYPOWER doesn't fire in that instance |
| 02:46.55 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 * r43 main.lua: |
| 02:46.56 | Repo | * Undo search-n-replace damage that got committed by mistake. |
| 02:47.39 | Rokiyo | i've had all sorts of awful accidents when porting out of dungeons into mid-flight |
| 02:48.09 | thelibrarian | Parnic: that used to be the way to end up with flight form on a horse or other sillyness |
| 02:48.15 | Parnic | lol |
| 02:48.44 | Rokiyo | i hear the LFG porting system likes to break stuff |
| 02:49.30 | Rokiyo | i heard people on the PTR were using it to fly arond in silvermoon for a while |
| 02:49.33 | Parnic | good thing it's hallow's end so i can test a real quick instance |
| 02:49.35 | Rokiyo | around* |
| 02:50.05 | Parnic | feral main, resto secondary = check all 3 boxes :P |
| 02:50.38 | Azerith | yay tutorials lol |
| 02:50.39 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 02:50.49 | Rokiyo | resto main, feral tank secondary here |
| 02:50.52 | Parnic | did innervate go away?? |
| 02:50.58 | Shefki | No |
| 02:50.59 | Rokiyo | no o.O |
| 02:51.06 | Rokiyo | it did get whacked with the nerf bat though |
| 02:51.12 | Parnic | i rarely play my druid |
| 02:51.21 | Rokiyo | it works off the casting druid's total mana |
| 02:51.27 | Parnic | can't find which section of the spell book it's in |
| 02:51.47 | Shefki | Nerf bat? It wasn't nerfed in 4.0.x |
| 02:51.51 | Rokiyo | oh... uh... resto? i think? |
| 02:52.05 | Rokiyo | yah it was shefki... it now works off total mana instead of base mana |
| 02:52.11 | Firepatch | resto main, resto secondary |
| 02:52.15 | Shefki | That's not a nerf. |
| 02:52.15 | Rokiyo | the numbers were tweaked so it would be able the same for balance/resto |
| 02:52.21 | Rokiyo | but for ferals... |
| 02:52.23 | Firepatch | we finally got halion heroic down this week |
| 02:52.25 | Rokiyo | you may as well take it off your bars |
| 02:52.26 | Firepatch | server 5th! |
| 02:52.40 | Firepatch | im surprised at how amazingly fun that fight is for druids |
| 02:52.44 | Rokiyo | also base mana scales faster than total mana from 81-85 |
| 02:52.57 | Shefki | Well it's a buff for all but on spec of the class. |
| 02:53.03 | Rokiyo | so at 85 your innervates will be doing A LOT less than if they had been running off base mana |
| 02:53.09 | Firepatch | so i was trying to think of a new mod for myself to work on |
| 02:53.15 | Parnic | why the heck am i missing the spell completely? |
| 02:53.19 | Parnic | i feel like i'm on crazy pills |
| 02:53.28 | Parnic | ah-ha! balance |
| 02:53.35 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 02:53.39 | Rokiyo | that's a strange place for it |
| 02:53.42 | Shefki | Rokiyo: Right at 85 yes, but not necessarily after a tier or 2 of loot comes. |
| 02:53.49 | Rokiyo | considering it used to be the bottom resto talent for a while |
| 02:53.52 | Shefki | So in the long run it's a buff. |
| 02:55.13 | Rokiyo | i'm not convinced... they publically stated an intent to nerf all forms of mana regen healers had access to, be it passive or active, and made this change at the same time as they changed divine plea, mana tide and the shadow beast thingey |
| 02:55.29 | Rokiyo | and the high rate that base mana scales at is how they've managed to pull off heals still being a spamfest at 80 |
| 02:55.34 | Rokiyo | while being a massive mana drain at 85 |
| 02:56.02 | Rokiyo | there are still plenty of reports of a single dungeon being far easier for a level 83 healer than a fresh level 85 healer |
| 02:56.18 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r726 modules/PlayerMana.lua: |
| 02:56.19 | Repo | - added a check for the player's mana type when PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD fires so that we adjust properly when entering/leaving instances |
| 02:56.30 | Rokiyo | s/a single/any single/ |
| 02:56.55 | arkanes | Rokiyo: absolutely |
| 02:57.13 | arkanes | Rokiyo: spell costs double every level from 80 to 85, it's like rating decay for DPS and tanks but even tougher |
| 02:57.22 | Shefki | They can't balance 85 around a fresh 85. |
| 02:57.32 | Shefki | If they do geared 85s will be unbalanced. |
| 02:57.45 | Firepatch | correct |
| 02:58.07 | Firepatch | and from what i hear, leveling from 80 to 85 wont take very long |
| 02:58.09 | Firepatch | so why would they bother |
| 02:58.17 | arkanes | healing instances, even normal ones, as a fresh 85 is incredibly discouraging and frustrating |
| 02:58.35 | arkanes | it's better with gear obviously but theres a big uphill climb |
| 02:59.13 | Shefki | I think that's the attitude becuase healing has been a retardedly easy in 5 mans up till now. |
| 02:59.22 | arkanes | no |
| 02:59.24 | Shefki | a) 5 mans were underpowered vs the gear everyone played in. |
| 02:59.35 | Shefki | b) 5 mans were underedpowered in difficulty to begin with. |
| 02:59.40 | arkanes | they were underpowered relative to the premades |
| 02:59.51 | arkanes | not so much to people who were just hitting 85 with their leveling greens |
| 02:59.55 | Rokiyo | healing wasn't always retardedly easy in 5mans... it was only at level 80 |
| 03:00.19 | Rokiyo | healing through 70-79 dungeons as I levelled my druid was quite challenging |
| 03:00.23 | Shefki | That's what I mean. |
| 03:00.28 | Rokiyo | then at 80 I got nourish and bam easymode |
| 03:01.08 | arkanes | people who are leveling in live are not going to be on premades, obviously, and thus will have the steep uphill battle that I'm talking about |
| 03:01.33 | arkanes | healing normals at 84-85 in cata is much harder than any instance was in the 70-80 range |
| 03:01.40 | Shefki | I think there intent is to have 5 mans meaning something. |
| 03:01.43 | Mirrormn | I recall having a really easy time healing 70-79... |
| 03:01.45 | arkanes | sure |
| 03:01.56 | arkanes | it's not an unsurmountable obstacle |
| 03:02.09 | Mirrormn | oh actually, I think that's cause when I leveled my priest 70-79, I always had some level 80 tank help me with my normal instances |
| 03:02.12 | arkanes | but it's really, really, hard and its very frustrating because it's much harder on healers than it is on tanks or dps |
| 03:02.14 | Mirrormn | disregard |
| 03:02.29 | Firepatch | well wouldnt tanks taking more damage be on them? |
| 03:02.41 | Firepatch | using cooldowns in 5mans is almost unheard of on trash |
| 03:02.49 | arkanes | it's not just a matter of using your spells and timing your abilities, you literally don't have the mana to use your big abilities |
| 03:02.53 | Firepatch | CC is basically obsolete up until cataclsysm |
| 03:02.58 | Shefki | Yeah sorry that's not a fair respresenatation. |
| 03:03.18 | Firepatch | all of these things are suppose to change |
| 03:03.22 | arkanes | when I hit 85 on my paladin, I had about 60k mana, divine light costs nearly 10k and my aoe heals nearly 15k |
| 03:03.22 | Shefki | Healers can't just carry crappy play anymore. |
| 03:03.26 | Firepatch | yea |
| 03:03.34 | Firepatch | So i disagree that its harder on healers |
| 03:03.36 | Firepatch | its harder on everyone |
| 03:03.37 | arkanes | going oom in 6 casts is not crappy plan |
| 03:03.39 | Firepatch | you can't be bad. |
| 03:03.43 | arkanes | healers carry the burden |
| 03:03.53 | Firepatch | your probably using the wrong 6 spells |
| 03:03.54 | Firepatch | or |
| 03:03.59 | Firepatch | your teams taking unnecessary damage |
| 03:03.59 | arkanes | yes, yes |
| 03:04.02 | Shefki | Going OOM in 6 casts means you're using the wrong spells. |
| 03:04.03 | arkanes | please tell me how bad I am |
| 03:04.12 | arkanes | sure I can cast holy light all day long |
| 03:04.20 | Firepatch | the goal of cataclysm was to ensure players are using CC properly |
| 03:04.26 | arkanes | but I can only cast an aoe heal once per encounter |
| 03:04.31 | Parnic | can i tell you how bad you are too? |
| 03:04.33 | Firepatch | if you are, and damage intake is still high, then your tanks not properly geared/specd |
| 03:04.38 | arkanes | no |
| 03:04.45 | arkanes | man, listen for a minute |
| 03:04.48 | Firepatch | if damage is still too high, then your probably not in an appropriate instance for you |
| 03:05.01 | *** join/#wowace vithos (vith@unaffiliated/vithos) |
| 03:05.15 | arkanes | how is it harad for you to grasp that things might actually be difficult and that there is a considerable, steep entry curve for healers at 85? |
| 03:05.33 | Firepatch | im looking forward to it, but you CANNOT place it solely at the feet of healers |
| 03:05.40 | Firepatch | the GAME is getting harder |
| 03:05.44 | Firepatch | not just for healers. |
| 03:05.53 | Parnic | i just want to tell someone how bad they are. who will it be? |
| 03:05.57 | arkanes | you don't have the mana to cast your aoe heals or your big heals, and you need them the most because your tanks don't have any gear either, and you don't have the DPS to kill bosses before they use their abilities |
| 03:06.01 | Rokiyo | GC sez: "If healer mana doesn't matter, our whole combat design collapses." |
| 03:06.09 | arkanes | I understand the design |
| 03:06.12 | Rokiyo | "Healers won't value cheap heals. Since mana won't constrain them, overhealing will be common, so they may start devaluing crit as well. DPS specs won't value talents that help them stay alive." |
| 03:06.18 | Firepatch | why are you casting aoe heals? |
| 03:06.24 | Firepatch | why are you casting big heals? |
| 03:06.32 | arkanes | becase the boss has a 60 yard aoe damage aura jackass |
| 03:06.36 | Rokiyo | the design is that if your group is bad, they'll oom the healer |
| 03:06.45 | Firepatch | is it absolutely necessary that you HEAL that damage? |
| 03:06.48 | arkanes | yes |
| 03:07.02 | Firepatch | player health doesnt have to be 100% all the time. |
| 03:07.11 | arkanes | the design of the encounter is to challenge the healer and the group by forcing them to survive a large AOE burst followed by ticking aoe damage |
| 03:07.15 | arkanes | hey |
| 03:07.29 | Firepatch | i guess ill have to see the encounter myself |
| 03:07.38 | Firepatch | but i have a feeling they wouldn't put in an unbeatable encounter |
| 03:07.44 | Firepatch | so all i can see is your probably doing something wrong |
| 03:07.47 | Rokiyo | he didn't call it unbeatable |
| 03:07.47 | arkanes | I didn't say it was unbeatable |
| 03:07.50 | Rokiyo | he called it difficult |
| 03:07.51 | arkanes | I said it was *hard* |
| 03:08.06 | arkanes | it was hard primarily because I lacked the mana to use the tools I had |
| 03:08.17 | Firepatch | wait |
| 03:08.19 | arkanes | the boss does the ability twice |
| 03:08.24 | arkanes | I had enough mana to manage 1 |
| 03:08.26 | Firepatch | so your only complaint is blizzard made the game harder? ;p |
| 03:08.29 | Hirsute | Which is true, and something they've been telling us to expect for a very long time. |
| 03:08.49 | arkanes | I'm not even sure where you got the idea that I'm complaining |
| 03:08.56 | arkanes | here's what I'm telling you, though |
| 03:09.00 | arkanes | I will not be healing at 85 |
| 03:09.02 | Firepatch | just seems like, wrong perspective ;0 |
| 03:09.04 | arkanes | or on my way to 80 |
| 03:09.06 | Firepatch | i cant wait ;) |
| 03:09.12 | arkanes | it is frustating and unrewarding |
| 03:09.17 | Firepatch | the only time I felt challenged in wrath was on 3 or 4 fights |
| 03:09.17 | Hirsute | As someone that has never yet managed to kill Arthas, I'm not thrilled the game is getting harder. |
| 03:09.21 | arkanes | I will tank and let other people burn out on that while I gear up |
| 03:09.30 | Firepatch | heroic lich king wasn't really difficult from a healing perspective |
| 03:09.40 | Firepatch | it was more about cooldown management/movement/not being stupid |
| 03:09.56 | Firepatch | ulduar hard modes, specifically iron council was tough |
| 03:10.06 | Firepatch | mimiron hard mode |
| 03:10.11 | arkanes | feh |
| 03:10.16 | Rokiyo | defeating heroic lich king is plenty hard if you're a sunwelled druid |
| 03:10.16 | arkanes | I've healed all those too, none of them were hard |
| 03:10.29 | Firepatch | i was playing on a paladin |
| 03:10.32 | Firepatch | so movement was tough back then |
| 03:10.34 | arkanes | I am a paladin |
| 03:10.44 | thelibrarian | which is probably why you were having trouble with aoe damage :P |
| 03:10.48 | Shefki | WTH does sunwelled druid mean? |
| 03:10.52 | arkanes | you ever try to do mim without enough cooldowns to cover the plasma blasts? |
| 03:11.02 | Firepatch | lol shefki, i dont even know what he was aiming for ;p |
| 03:11.04 | arkanes | healing at 85 is kind of like that |
| 03:11.25 | thelibrarian | paladins still have lackluster aoe, espeically once HR gets nerfed |
| 03:11.40 | Firepatch | arkanes; point I was trying to make, was that for the most part Wrath has been one pathetically easy encounter after another. |
| 03:11.48 | Firepatch | especially for healers. |
| 03:11.53 | arkanes | Firepatch: whatever |
| 03:11.58 | Rokiyo | lol I was making a reference to mages not being brought along to sunwell at the end of BC because it was always better to just bring more warlocks |
| 03:11.58 | Firepatch | i felt challenged, somewhat with hard mode halion |
| 03:12.04 | Mirrormn | Firepatch: "using cooldowns in 5mans is almost unheard of on trash" you need to run with better tanks |
| 03:12.07 | arkanes | Firepatch: I detest talking to people who use phrases like "pathetically easy" |
| 03:12.13 | Repo | 10gimplist: 03DrKazza * r53 Gimplist.lua: |
| 03:12.14 | Repo | Fixed a Nil GUID from a world chat "Crossroads is under attack!" for example |
| 03:12.15 | Rokiyo | in LK, you're generally better off replacing your druid with disc priests |
| 03:12.22 | Rokiyo | and in H-LK that's especially true |
| 03:12.26 | Mirrormn | when I first leveled my death knight, I was popping cooldowns ALL OVER THE PLACE |
| 03:12.32 | arkanes | because you're not making any sort of objective measurement |
| 03:12.33 | Firepatch | rokiyo, i disagree with you |
| 03:12.34 | Hirsute | Ah, or like people not wanting to take warrior tanks to MgT, because it was better to take a pally. |
| 03:12.35 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03DrKazza * r43 OldInstanceFinder.lua: Added Instance names for Cata |
| 03:12.45 | Firepatch | once you get sucked into shadowmourne room, druids are king. |
| 03:12.48 | Shefki | As a Druid I felt that HLK was a good way to evaluate druids looking towards future. If you wanted to do a good job you couldn't do the same old repeteative nonsense. |
| 03:12.56 | Firepatch | i always came in third behind our two disc priests for heroic lk |
| 03:12.58 | arkanes | Mirrormn: early in wrath DKs were massively more fragile than other tanks |
| 03:13.00 | Shefki | And what Firepatch said. |
| 03:13.15 | Mirrormn | shadowmourne room is not particularly challenging compared to infests in p1/2 |
| 03:13.15 | arkanes | Mirrormn: the balance being the much shorter cooldowns |
| 03:13.17 | Shefki | I beat 2 disk preiests week after adding in absorbs. |
| 03:13.19 | Firepatch | i even placed second a few times |
| 03:13.23 | Mirrormn | yeah, arkanes, I know |
| 03:13.35 | Firepatch | you cant say druids are useless in hard mode lich king, except for shadowmourne phase |
| 03:13.42 | Firepatch | i look at the entire encounter and whats needed |
| 03:13.47 | Mirrormn | doesn't change the fact that I used IBF at the start of basically every trash pull |
| 03:13.57 | Shefki | You just have to have them tank heal earlier in the fight. |
| 03:14.04 | Firepatch | yep |
| 03:14.11 | Firepatch | lifebloom the shit out of em ;) |
| 03:14.23 | arkanes | druids are pretty great right now |
| 03:14.31 | Firepatch | i was speaking of pre 4.0 too |
| 03:14.38 | Repo | 10gimplist: 03DrKazza 04v1.10 * r54 : Tagging as v1.10 |
| 03:14.43 | arkanes | pre-4.0 druids were pretty weak on HLK |
| 03:14.45 | Firepatch | my guild killed hlk well before 4.0 |
| 03:14.49 | Firepatch | and i placed third on ehaling |
| 03:14.51 | Firepatch | so your wrong. |
| 03:14.59 | arkanes | maybe not useless, but certainly mechanically weak |
| 03:15.06 | Firepatch | for phase 1 and 2, sure. |
| 03:15.08 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03DrKazza 04v1.06 * r44 : Tagging as v1.06 |
| 03:15.12 | Firepatch | but you dont win the fight after phase 1 and 2 |
| 03:15.27 | Mirrormn | you kind of almost do |
| 03:15.30 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7586 / (7 files in 4 directories): Add koKR local for cataclysm. Removed some local. |
| 03:15.48 | Firepatch | in a.... my guild is no longer retarded and can avoid dying to dumb shit... sure ;p |
| 03:15.49 | Mirrormn | my guild wiped like once or twice after we managed to get to phase 3 with everyone alive consistently |
| 03:16.10 | Firepatch | but your talking about stuff that has no bearing on what class your bringing for heals ;p |
| 03:16.21 | Mirrormn | how so? |
| 03:16.44 | arkanes | doing hlk with no druids is much easier than doing it with no disc priests or paladins |
| 03:16.44 | Firepatch | basically surviving phase 1 and 2 was proper handling of defile/infests, moving in/out for valks, and being able to adapt to shit |
| 03:16.48 | arkanes | that's all I'm saying |
| 03:17.09 | Firepatch | cant argue with that |
| 03:17.17 | Firepatch | i dont think the fight was beatable without disc priests |
| 03:17.19 | Mirrormn | my guild has never done HLK with a resto druid =/ |
| 03:17.20 | Shefki | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/hk2jjm0oio3i5rtg/sum/healingDone/?s=14827&e=15764 |
| 03:17.28 | Firepatch | but i suppose in the end |
| 03:17.28 | Shefki | Say that resto druids aren't good on HLK. |
| 03:17.32 | arkanes | a guildmate did it with no paladins |
| 03:17.39 | Mirrormn | resto druids are NOT GOOD ON HLK |
| 03:17.41 | Firepatch | good players will do good things regardless of what people think. |
| 03:17.45 | Mirrormn | MR. DOCTORED LOG |
| 03:17.45 | arkanes | which was pretty rough, apparently |
| 03:18.12 | Firepatch | actually |
| 03:18.21 | Firepatch | i ignore 10 man performancce |
| 03:18.27 | Firepatch | im speaking entirely of 25s |
| 03:18.32 | Mirrormn | I actually did doctor a combat log and posted it to worldoflogs one time |
| 03:18.46 | Mirrormn | it showed me doing 17000 dps to sindragosa with 0% buff and 264 gear |
| 03:18.55 | Firepatch | you know what really pisses me off about WoL |
| 03:18.55 | Mirrormn | was a wipe though |
| 03:19.12 | Firepatch | is it is NOT attributing efflorescence to the casting druid hps's |
| 03:19.24 | arkanes | it does a bunch of stuff poorly |
| 03:19.34 | thelibrarian | it's ignoring paladin mastery still last I checked |
| 03:19.36 | Firepatch | and thats a huge part of my HPS now on HLK |
| 03:19.38 | thelibrarian | not that that's worth much but... |
| 03:19.40 | arkanes | one of many reasons why topping its healing charts doesn't mean a whole lot |
| 03:19.45 | Firepatch | are you kidding librarian? |
| 03:19.57 | Firepatch | its easily 3rd most healing on almost all encounters in ICC |
| 03:20.00 | arkanes | I think I read somewhere tht they manage it now |
| 03:20.07 | Shefki | There's another one: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-rl1b8juh8do5kjyy/sum/healingDone/?s=9555&e=10627 |
| 03:20.15 | harl | heals the crap out of anyone and anywhere with any healing class. |
| 03:20.20 | Firepatch | 30k per person if they stand in it the entire time, multiplied by 20 raiders? |
| 03:20.23 | arkanes | but at least for the first few weeks of 4.0, it was still using it's old shield code which was always terrible to begin with |
| 03:20.31 | Firepatch | thats 30,000x20 healing every 20 seconds |
| 03:20.46 | Mirrormn | and all of it overhealing! |
| 03:20.48 | arkanes | and was made even worse by them not tracking the new shields |
| 03:20.54 | thelibrarian | wait, what? the shield? that makes no sense |
| 03:20.57 | harl | knows that saying "any" sounds wrong. |
| 03:21.07 | Firepatch | it wasnt all overhealing ;p |
| 03:21.08 | Shefki | Firepatch: Incidentally, the Efflorescense issue isn't their fault. |
| 03:21.17 | Firepatch | its easy to track it shefki |
| 03:21.18 | Mirrormn | prefer to speak with harl now because the regular conversation displeases him |
| 03:21.21 | Firepatch | i wrote code that does. |
| 03:21.37 | arkanes | it looks like they still don't track paladin mastery |
| 03:21.47 | arkanes | which implies that they're still using their old, inaccurate shield tracking |
| 03:21.48 | Firepatch | druid summons pet with guid, attribute petguid's healing with player who summoned |
| 03:21.57 | Firepatch | simple. |
| 03:22.06 | Mirrormn | TRIVIAL |
| 03:22.18 | harl | don't have much to say, mirrormn :) |
| 03:22.28 | Shefki | Firepatch: I've found that the summon event doesn't always show up. |
| 03:22.34 | Mirrormn | hugs harl |
| 03:22.38 | Baps | so, an actual AceEvent question. I'm generating messages, sending them.. no errors.. but my handler just isn't being called |
| 03:22.39 | Firepatch | ive never had an issue in the program i wrote to track it |
| 03:22.47 | arkanes | wtf its showing heals for sacred shield? |
| 03:22.49 | Baps | if I call iy from myDebug, I see it happen |
| 03:22.55 | arkanes | oh thats an old log |
| 03:22.56 | Firepatch | i report back to print() after everytime in combat |
| 03:22.58 | harl | thanks, mirrormn |
| 03:23.00 | arkanes | Shefki: you have a recent log? |
| 03:23.03 | Firepatch | and i have yet to NOT see it show up shefki |
| 03:23.17 | Shefki | Not in like two weeks. I was sick so didn't raid this week. |
| 03:23.27 | Shefki | And last week was Blizzcon. So no raid. |
| 03:23.30 | Mirrormn | I can't believe I've managed to sit at my computer for 7 hours without getting a single line of code written |
| 03:24.06 | Mirrormn | and I have 16 open tickets... |
| 03:24.44 | arkanes | wol should have wiped its rankings with 4.0 :( |
| 03:24.59 | Shefki | rankings are meaningless no matter what the patch is. |
| 03:25.03 | Shefki | You can game them anyway. |
| 03:25.22 | Mirrormn | I thought the whole point was to game them |
| 03:25.24 | arkanes | yes, but the point is that i can't find any recent pally parses because the rankings are all full of pre-4.0 ones |
| 03:26.11 | Firepatch | they really should have wiped em |
| 03:26.20 | Mirrormn | "how about I take every piece of gear that drops cause I'm an officer and then let's stack every possible temp buff on me then I will ignore all fight mechanics whee" |
| 03:26.29 | Firepatch | yea, i never liked that |
| 03:26.40 | Firepatch | i got 14th once on putricide? it was completely random too |
| 03:26.41 | arkanes | damnit and fusion isnt running pally healers anymore |
| 03:26.55 | Mirrormn | I was actually #1 on normal 10 man marrowgar for a while |
| 03:27.00 | arkanes | Firepatch: the trick is to be a bizarre, nonviable spec and then do well at it |
| 03:27.09 | Baps | anyone able to help me figure out why my AceEvent RegisterMessage callback isn't being called? |
| 03:27.14 | arkanes | I've got a friend who placed in the top 100 for sub rogues on putricide! |
| 03:27.14 | Mirrormn | but I think that's because every other mage of my ability had long since moved to heroic modes |
| 03:27.40 | Mirrormn | and/or stopped doing 10 mans altogether |
| 03:28.03 | *** join/#wowace doom0r (Doom0r@c-24-1-208-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 03:28.10 | Firepatch | this week I only had a couple top 200 parses |
| 03:28.20 | Firepatch | but honestly ive been testing out haste on druid hots |
| 03:28.27 | Firepatch | i was up to like 39% haste |
| 03:28.36 | Firepatch | and realized it was garbage past the 1016 point |
| 03:29.22 | arkanes | heh all the guilds on my server stopped running pallies |
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| 03:29.30 | arkanes | I need to go pug something and upload a parse of that I guess |
| 03:30.40 | Firepatch | anyhow, arkanes, i musta jumped in at a bad point earlier and misinterpreted your comments |
| 03:30.45 | Firepatch | sorry for assuming what i did ;0 |
| 03:30.48 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7587 / (3 files in 3 directories): oops :) |
| 03:31.11 | arkanes | Firepatch: boss I was bitching about is the fire elemental one in halls of origination, btw |
| 03:31.35 | Firepatch | ill keep an eye out for it |
| 03:31.40 | Baps | I've got an AceEvent issue. I think that I'm sending messages and that I've properly registered my callback with RegisterMessage because I see the debugging messages and am not getting errors.. |
| 03:31.41 | arkanes | and it was frustrating because I had the spells, and I had the throughput |
| 03:31.43 | Firepatch | i havent been in beta or test server |
| 03:31.45 | Baps | but I'm not seeing my callback happen. |
| 03:31.49 | arkanes | but not enough mana to cast holy radiance more than once |
| 03:31.55 | Firepatch | so im really just talking from what ive read in blue posts |
| 03:32.07 | Baps | any suggestions on how to figure out what the issue is? |
| 03:32.10 | arkanes | you can feel what they're getting at much more with premade level gear |
| 03:32.32 | arkanes | but fighting up that wall to get from the leveling greens in to the entry level blues thats going to be rough |
| 03:32.47 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r21 / (7 files in 2 directories): add a minimap icon |
| 03:34.21 | pompy | lol classic 7destiny |
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| 03:38.33 | Shefki | You know we need a kharma system on wowace. |
| 03:39.37 | Baps | anyone interested in helping with an AceEvent problem? |
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| 03:40.29 | Shefki | Baps: What's the problem? |
| 03:40.35 | Baps | I've got an AceEvent issue. I think that I'm sending messages and that I've properly registered my callback with RegisterMessage because I see the debugging messages and am not getting errors.. |
| 03:40.35 | doom0r | Shefki: 841? |
| 03:40.38 | Baps | but I'm not seeing my callback happen. |
| 03:41.14 | Shefki | doom0r: Yeah he sent me a PM question that belongs on the DogTag forums. |
| 03:41.30 | Shefki | doom0r: And opened another ticket. |
| 03:41.34 | doom0r | lol |
| 03:42.18 | Shefki | Baps: RegisterMessage, you mean RegisterEvent? |
| 03:42.28 | Baps | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-event-3-0/ |
| 03:42.36 | Baps | SendMessage and RegisterMessage |
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| 03:43.11 | Shefki | I thought the internal message system was axed with 3.x |
| 03:43.44 | doom0r | api page was autogenerated with build 7 days ago |
| 03:44.12 | doom0r | unless it's defunct and just getting pulled |
| 03:44.19 | Baps | It still seems to be used within Grid |
| 03:44.59 | Shefki | I was under the impression that everyone was told to just use CallbackHandler directly anymore, but maybe I'm wrong. |
| 03:45.16 | Shefki | What's the code look like Baps? |
| 03:45.23 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r22 ProfessionsVault.lua: set a more reasonable frame strata |
| 03:45.29 | arkanes | Baps: never assume that what Grid does is the most recent, best way to do stuff :P |
| 03:45.44 | Shefki | I was tempted to say what arkanes just said but I bit my tongue. |
| 03:45.58 | Baps | Grid's just what I'm most familiar with, since my first mod was to add additional indicators to it |
| 03:46.33 | Shefki | Well let's backup a bit. |
| 03:46.37 | Shefki | What are you trying to do. |
| 03:46.51 | Shefki | If you're expecting other addons to interact with you then you shouldn't use AceEvent for it. |
| 03:46.51 | Baps | I'm trying to send a notification from one module to another that an event happened |
| 03:46.58 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 * r44 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 03:46.59 | Repo | * Added ability to filter based on raid group. Abilities only provided by |
| 03:47.01 | Repo | raid members from a filtered group show in blue rather than green. |
| 03:47.03 | Baps | this is all within my own module |
| 03:47.09 | Baps | er, addon |
| 03:47.27 | Baps | I've got one module that is managing roster and another that wants to use that information |
| 03:47.36 | Baps | this is a roster update notification |
| 03:47.40 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: so bribes? |
| 03:48.15 | Baps | self:RegisterMessage( "Triage_RosterUpdated", "Triage_RosterUpdated" ) |
| 03:48.21 | Baps | on the receiver |
| 03:48.45 | Baps | self.SendMessage("Triage_RosterUpdated") |
| 03:48.48 | Baps | on the sender |
| 03:48.50 | Baps | and there's the issue |
| 03:48.56 | Baps | . instead of : |
| 03:49.03 | Shefki | Should be self:SendMessage |
| 03:49.23 | Baps | and that fixed it |
| 03:49.29 | Baps | thanks for being my ducks |
| 03:50.01 | Shefki | BTW if the method name is the same name of the event you don't need to set it explicitly. |
| 03:50.02 | Baps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging |
| 03:50.22 | Baps | that was just my attempt to make it work by being more explicit |
| 03:52.25 | doom0r | sends Baps a rubber murloc |
| 03:57.06 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r23 ProfessionsVault.lua: better click handling on tree |
| 03:58.22 | Parnic | !api UnitPopup_ShowMenu |
| 03:58.23 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UnitPopup_ShowMenu'. |
| 03:58.45 | Shefki | OMG http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/845-update-did-not-fix-issues/ |
| 03:59.09 | Shefki | Same reporter as http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/843-everything-is-not-working/ |
| 03:59.20 | Shefki | DEAR REPORTER, GIVE ME THE ERRORS. |
| 03:59.36 | Shefki | Wish I could make a popup box show whenever he fires up CC. |
| 03:59.36 | pompy | lol |
| 03:59.44 | Parnic | now there's an idea |
| 03:59.49 | Mirrormn | "everything is not working", shefki |
| 03:59.51 | Mirrormn | JUST FIX IT |
| 03:59.51 | Parnic | "a ticket you filed through this client has been updated" |
| 03:59.51 | Shefki | Kaelten: Make this happen, responses to people who open tickets with CC show as popup boxes. |
| 04:00.11 | Parnic | that's actually a fantastic idea |
| 04:01.20 | Hirsute | Shefki: Can't you read minds? I thought you had to be able to read minds to write WoW addons. |
| 04:04.06 | arkanes | Shefki: why was the type of that ticket "patch"?! |
| 04:04.55 | Shefki | arkanes: Because he has no idea what he's doing. |
| 04:05.14 | Shefki | arkanes: He is trying to say that a wow hotfix broke pb4. |
| 04:08.24 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb 041.0 beta4 * r24 : Tagging as 1.0 beta4 |
| 04:09.12 | Baps | see, you can read minds! =) =) |
| 04:09.16 | Baps | runs away |
| 04:10.09 | Megalon | nothing easier then that |
| 04:10.14 | Megalon | reads Fisk3r's mind |
| 04:10.22 | Megalon | FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 04:10.42 | doom0r | wikicreole quote tag broke? |
| 04:12.42 | doom0r | or is it just missing |
| 04:14.20 | Shefki | arkanes: I just closed his ticket without saying anything. Not worth my time responding he'll never see it. |
| 04:16.19 | doom0r | i broke the comment box |
| 04:16.56 | Parnic | shefki: holy crap, so much code necessary to replace the "set focus" menu |
| 04:17.34 | Shefki | Parnic: It's not that much code. |
| 04:17.46 | doom0r | i tried using bbcode quote, then saw wikicreole had <<quote source>> and then went back to wikicreole and previewed, didn't parse tags, so went back to bbcode and changed it to [quote] and it's still showing <<quote>> |
| 04:18.10 | Shefki | Parnic: And some of that is to add stuff in. Go back a few revs and it'll be simpler. |
| 04:18.26 | Parnic | yeah i culled a bit of it out |
| 04:18.28 | Parnic | not much, though |
| 04:18.55 | Parnic | i can't get the CLEAR_FOCUS message to show, though |
| 04:18.59 | Parnic | not sure it's terribly important, but still |
| 04:19.07 | Shefki | Well both the secure hooks are unecessary. |
| 04:20.42 | pompy | Did 4.0.1a fix the glyph issues? |
| 04:21.05 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Rokiyo * r727 modules (2 files in 1 directory): - Aura handling cleanup. Duplication is evil! |
| 04:21.06 | Parnic | unattainable glyphs? i don't think so |
| 04:21.48 | Parnic | shefki: do you happen to know what situation the CLEAR_FOCUS menu entry is used in? |
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| 04:21.57 | Parnic | if i focus someone and right-click the frame again, i still get "set focus" |
| 04:22.22 | Shefki | CLEAR_FOCUS probably is for removing the focus from the right click menu of the focus frame. |
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| 04:25.28 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Rokiyo * r728 modules/TargetInfo.lua: |
| 04:25.45 | Rokiyo | o.O |
| 04:25.54 | Parnic | tsk tsk |
| 04:26.04 | Rokiyo | I guess putting ¬ characters into my commit messages is a bad thing? :P |
| 04:26.19 | Parnic | you made repo cry |
| 04:26.49 | Rokiyo | the message was supposed to be "- Erroneous white space? I don't know what you're talking about... ¬.¬" |
| 04:26.55 | Parnic | yeah i see it in svn |
| 04:27.01 | Parnic | it is just repo that doesn't like you |
| 04:27.08 | Rokiyo | cries |
| 04:27.23 | Rokiyo | Repo is being mean to me! |
| 04:31.18 | doom0r | mm, was a public feed for new (truly new) addons ever created? |
| 04:31.30 | doom0r | not the borked curse page one or admin only one |
| 04:31.40 | Shefki | doom0r: Repo announces when they get approed. |
| 04:31.49 | Shefki | When repo works. |
| 04:31.57 | doom0r | i know, but without running a parse and while he's out smoking |
| 04:32.06 | doom0r | since i don't run a bounce |
| 04:38.14 | doom0r | can anyone try a bbcode quote tag ion a ticket comment preview? i really do think i may have broke it |
| 04:38.24 | doom0r | s/ion/on/ |
| 04:40.18 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r729 / (6 files in 2 directories): |
| 04:40.19 | Repo | - shamelessly ripped off code from pitbull4 to replace "set focus" with instructions on how to do so. begone, focus error reports! |
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| 04:52.45 | kandarz | Antiarc: mind if I commit GatherMate -> GatherMate2 SexyMap Hud change? |
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| 05:02.03 | Vonhinten | How would one go about getting addons that work with cata beta? |
| 05:02.11 | Vonhinten | like pitbull 4 for instance |
| 05:02.18 | Parnic | all addons tagged 4.0.1 should work with the cata beta |
| 05:02.34 | Parnic | the latest ptr broke secure frame-using addons pretty heavily, though |
| 05:02.38 | Parnic | blizzard bug |
| 05:03.02 | Vonhinten | ah, hm |
| 05:03.15 | Shefki | Vonhinten: You wait for the next patch. |
| 05:03.33 | Shefki | looks at Parnic and grins. |
| 05:03.55 | Parnic | looks at Shefki and isn't sure why he's grinning. |
| 05:04.07 | Rokiyo | omg |
| 05:04.09 | Rokiyo | shefki |
| 05:04.09 | Shefki | Ohh you'll figure it out. |
| 05:04.15 | Rokiyo | you're evil |
| 05:04.16 | Shefki | Rokiyo: Don't tell him. |
| 05:04.22 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 05:04.36 | Rokiyo | pisses himself laughing |
| 05:04.45 | Parnic | sulks off into the corner. |
| 05:04.56 | Vonhinten | Didn't know if they were in different location or done in the main line |
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| 05:06.39 | Shefki | Vonhinten: I keep PB4 roughly compatable, though I don't typical tag releases for beta only issues so be sure to run the latest alpha for beta stuff. |
| 05:06.52 | Shefki | Not that it matters now since there is no alpha newer than the latest "release" |
| 05:07.49 | Vonhinten | I've been pulling alpha from CC for a while now, since patch, until stuff settles |
| 05:08.14 | Vonhinten | alpha and re-integrated libs |
| 05:08.51 | Shefki | giggles and waits for the discovery. |
| 05:09.56 | Parnic | oh you suck, shefki. |
| 05:10.05 | Parnic | stupid slow email |
| 05:10.20 | Shefki | lol |
| 05:10.22 | Rokiyo | Best. Ticket. Ever. |
| 05:10.31 | Rokiyo | "Please fix, it works when I use MetaHud." |
| 05:10.37 | Parnic | yeah. i bet it does. |
| 05:10.47 | Parnic | at least it doesn't say 'everything is broken' amirite? |
| 05:10.53 | Parnic | or was it 'everything is not working' ? |
| 05:11.09 | Shefki | I figured you deserved some stupid ticket love. |
| 05:11.33 | Rokiyo | most of IceHUD's stupid seems to be concentrated over on the curse comments page |
| 05:11.44 | Rokiyo | and damn is there a lot of it |
| 05:12.23 | Parnic | man i should have assigned that ticket to rokiyo |
| 05:12.33 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 05:12.43 | Shefki | I had to resist the urge to accept it for you. |
| 05:12.52 | Shefki | I set the priority high though. |
| 05:13.37 | Shefki | I should have asked for raid frames as huds. |
| 05:13.47 | Rokiyo | oh god |
| 05:13.52 | Parnic | i would have told you to make all the custom health bars you wanted ;) |
| 05:14.22 | Shefki | Honestly the only time I've had IceHud installed was when I helped you fix it. |
| 05:14.50 | Rokiyo | vertical bars seems to very much be a love/hate thing |
| 05:14.52 | Parnic | i'm honestly okay with that |
| 05:15.06 | doom0r | it saves your eyes when you need to watch bars and tab a lot |
| 05:15.28 | doom0r | unitframes don't make damage easy while staying out of the way imo |
| 05:15.38 | doom0r | healing, useless ;x |
| 05:15.49 | Baps | I used IceHud and the mods it replaced for 3+ years.. only weaned myself off them when I decided that the center of my screen was *too* cluttered |
| 05:16.00 | Parnic | so declutter it :P |
| 05:16.05 | doom0r | ^ |
| 05:16.23 | doom0r | which usually starts at getting rid of crap on the sides |
| 05:16.30 | doom0r | so you can move that stuff there |
| 05:16.30 | Baps | I did. I stopped using the hud since it was duplicate info for my setup. It's a great mod 'tho |
| 05:16.31 | Rokiyo | i tunnel vision pretty hardcore, I need anything relevant near the center of my screen |
| 05:16.44 | Mirrormn | the thing is, you don't actually need things that you're always paying attention to to be in the middle of your screen |
| 05:16.56 | Mirrormn | you just need to get used to them being positioned in some arbitrary space |
| 05:17.09 | Shefki | Yay a UI debate. |
| 05:17.13 | Parnic | lol |
| 05:17.14 | doom0r | sure, you also need eyes that don't get _more_ strained |
| 05:17.24 | Shefki | Here let me make this easy. |
| 05:17.25 | Baps | wasn't my point |
| 05:17.28 | Parnic | and this is why a vichyssoise of mods exist |
| 05:17.32 | Shefki | Grid sucks, little square raid frames are retarded. |
| 05:17.32 | Baps | my point was thanks. |
| 05:17.38 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 05:17.38 | Mirrormn | having your eyes move around reduces eye strain -.- |
| 05:17.41 | Shefki | Now everyone hate on me. |
| 05:17.50 | Baps | I used it for a long time. I appreciated the mod. |
| 05:17.59 | Torhal | Shefki: PB4 is non-intuitive. |
| 05:17.59 | Parnic | forget shefki, acquire debate |
| 05:18.01 | doom0r | Mirrormn: agreed, but moving them constantly outweighs it from my experience |
| 05:18.02 | Torhal | ducks. |
| 05:18.12 | Parnic | yeah shefki why the crap do all my frames start center screen? how's that helpful? |
| 05:18.13 | Shefki | Torhal: I don't care. |
| 05:18.18 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 05:18.19 | Rokiyo | PB4 takes up too much room in my addon control panel |
| 05:18.23 | Rokiyo | :P |
| 05:18.27 | cubed | ^ |
| 05:18.32 | Parnic | so many folder |
| 05:18.33 | Parnic | s |
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| 05:18.46 | doom0r | that's the reason i initially got a unitframe mod, my eyes hurt bad from looking up to the top left at blizz's frames |
| 05:18.53 | Shefki | Parnic: So that you'll configure them rather than be like 90% of X-Perl users. |
| 05:18.57 | Mirrormn | I'm not saying that putting things in the middle of your UI is terrible, or even not a good idea |
| 05:19.11 | Mirrormn | just that wherever you put something, you'll generally tend to get used to it being there |
| 05:19.26 | Torhal | sleeps for four hours. |
| 05:19.32 | Shefki | Actually the reason is I've been lazy and haven't finished the code to have better defaults. |
| 05:20.56 | doom0r | for sure, just saying, best health practices, raiding is bad for it to start, make it easier |
| 05:21.12 | doom0r | building a monitor stand so my neck didn't lean slightly is one of the best things i ever did |
| 05:21.17 | doom0r | stopped so much back problems |
| 05:22.11 | doom0r | Shefki: leave them ugly and keep dumb users away |
| 05:22.20 | Shefki | doom0r: Doesn't work. |
| 05:22.37 | doom0r | s/dumb users/a portion of dumb users/ |
| 05:23.19 | cubed | rofl |
| 05:23.27 | cubed | s/o/ooooo/ |
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| 05:25.52 | Azerith | O.o |
| 05:26.05 | Azerith | woo for internets on mobile |
| 05:26.28 | Shefki | Parnic: Just close ticket 90 and tell them what they want isn't possible. |
| 05:26.48 | Shefki | Parnic: Deatching the Blizzard Eclipse module from the PlayerFrame is a pain in the ass. |
| 05:26.53 | Rokiyo | i think there's a few people on here that use some crazy android irc-ness |
| 05:26.55 | Shefki | I looked at trying to do it. |
| 05:26.56 | Parnic | aww, look at you helping :P |
| 05:26.58 | doom0r | you know what hurts? i had a real life friend playing (started of his own accord), stopped using addons because he thought they stole his password..... a good friend |
| 05:27.00 | doom0r | cries |
| 05:27.37 | Shefki | Parnic: I'm helpful. |
| 05:28.54 | Azerith | not actuly on the android irc client Rokiyo, using it as a modem right now :P |
| 05:29.53 | Shefki | I juse use ConnectBot and screen + irssi. |
| 05:30.20 | Azerith | nom nom irssi! |
| 05:30.32 | Azerith | and screen for that matter |
| 05:30.43 | Rokiyo | doom0r: i'm sure I saw an addon comment somewhere along those lines... I can't find it now, but the guy pretty much went "Hey I just updated to the latest version of your addon and now my account is hacked" |
| 05:30.47 | doom0r | screen is one of the most usefull things ever written, and i fail at knowing how to use it |
| 05:31.36 | Shefki | I know my way around it pretty well. Had to use Linux boxes consoles pre-multiple consoles with no X-11. |
| 05:31.54 | Shefki | Learned pretty fast that screen was the only sane way to deal with it. |
| 05:32.22 | Shefki | Actually I take that back they weren't Linux was BSDi. |
| 05:32.49 | Azerith | doom0r: how can you fail at using it? how!? |
| 05:33.00 | Shefki | And really I think I'd rank grep as the most useful tool ever. |
| 05:33.20 | Azerith | grep is definlty the most useful |
| 05:33.21 | Shefki | Though I'm really liking ack these days. |
| 05:33.30 | doom0r | having spent the time to be familiar enough with it to make use of it in a productive non-google-how-do-i-do-something-step-by-step |
| 05:33.32 | Rokiyo | vaguely related to the eye movement debate earlier... here's a post I made about a year ago going into some nitty gritty details about how eye movement works, and how you're very temporarily blind when your eyes are moving to focus on something on new: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=12065380712 |
| 05:33.50 | Rokiyo | i get the impression this debate had something to do with the nameplate changes they made much later on |
| 05:34.44 | doom0r | mm, that is a good point |
| 05:35.06 | Rokiyo | extending the nameplate range turned out to be a bigger deal for dps than for healers, but I'd like to think I've learned since then :P |
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| 05:36.13 | doom0r | i miss the context, they extended it? or you did via variable, etc? |
| 05:36.34 | Rokiyo | back when I made that post, nameplates were in a pretty awful state |
| 05:36.43 | Rokiyo | hard coded 10 yard range max |
| 05:37.01 | Rokiyo | no way to stop them bumping around crazily if they overlapped with another unit's nameplate |
| 05:37.13 | Shefki | I still don't think nameplates are that useful for healing. |
| 05:37.46 | Baps | I miss the ability for nameplates to overlap |
| 05:37.49 | Baps | badly. |
| 05:37.56 | Baps | makes it hard to see things |
| 05:38.10 | Rokiyo | Baps: it is set by a variable, you can set them to the old behaviour if you wish |
| 05:38.19 | Baps | do you know the variable offhand? |
| 05:39.02 | Rokiyo | Shefki: I agree now, but I didn't realise that at the time I made the post. My points on eye movement in relation to UI design still stand, it is only my suggested fix to the problem that turned out to be somewhat irrelevant :P |
| 05:39.15 | Rokiyo | Baps: I don't, but I know aloft has a setting for it |
| 05:39.39 | Shefki | I thought you were nuts when you made that suggestion. |
| 05:39.50 | Shefki | If you were the OP that is. |
| 05:39.55 | Rokiyo | Yeah I'm Sungrass |
| 05:40.10 | Rokiyo | you mean back then? |
| 05:40.12 | Rokiyo | a year ago? |
| 05:40.32 | Baps | So there is |
| 05:40.37 | Rokiyo | I'm often treated as a nutjob on the official forums |
| 05:40.37 | Shefki | Yeah I remember the thread. |
| 05:40.50 | Baps | thanks much |
| 05:40.51 | Rokiyo | my ideas tend to be... a bit lateral... |
| 05:41.16 | Rokiyo | same thing happened when Circle of Healing and Wild Growth didn't have cooldowns |
| 05:41.27 | Rokiyo | I was the only one calling for them to get 6 second cooldowns |
| 05:41.43 | Rokiyo | and everyone was like "wtf sungrass that's stupid" |
| 05:41.50 | Azerith | and irl your a nutjob |
| 05:42.07 | Shefki | The cooldowns didn't change much. |
| 05:42.07 | Rokiyo | ssshhhh, they'll never know! |
| 05:42.24 | Rokiyo | they added 6 sec cooldowns after that |
| 05:42.29 | Rokiyo | it used to be no cooldown AT ALL |
| 05:42.36 | Shefki | I know. |
| 05:42.42 | Shefki | <- Resto Druid. |
| 05:42.42 | Rokiyo | oh |
| 05:42.50 | Rokiyo | wait, i get you now |
| 05:42.52 | Shefki | It still didn't change that much. |
| 05:43.14 | Shefki | Turned into OMG it's off cooldown, click. |
| 05:43.17 | Rokiyo | the cooldowns didn't change much about how we healed, as opposed to the duration of the cooldowns didn't change much |
| 05:43.35 | Shefki | Instead of click click click click. |
| 05:43.39 | Rokiyo | lol, yeh |
| 05:43.43 | doom0r | Rokiyo: the first reply practically incites rage |
| 05:43.57 | Shefki | So honestly, didn't change much on how the spell was used. |
| 05:44.08 | Rokiyo | lol doom0r |
| 05:45.02 | Rokiyo | i still like the general idea of having a unit's health displayed on the unit itself |
| 05:45.06 | Shefki | Honestly, IMHO Blizzard drives Resto Druids into a corner every expansion and then dangles some magical new "fix" for the next one. |
| 05:45.22 | Rokiyo | yeah that's annoying me |
| 05:45.27 | Shefki | And it works for 5 minutes in some designers head until they actually have to make it work. |
| 05:45.51 | Shefki | And frankly I'm tired of them changing shit just to change shit. |
| 05:45.53 | Rokiyo | they pushed us into rejuv spam with crap like the spark of hope and the idol of rejuv |
| 05:45.59 | Rokiyo | then blamed us for spamming rejuv |
| 05:46.08 | Azerith | should display unit heath max payne style, change the ocpacity of the unit itself :P |
| 05:46.11 | doom0r | i do think a good portion of most interface issues can be resolved/partially resolved by a better HID |
| 05:46.31 | Rokiyo | same thing is gonna happen in cata |
| 05:46.52 | Rokiyo | the swift rejuv talent is gonna be harbinger of our doom a couple of tiers into cata |
| 05:46.57 | Shefki | Well I don't think they blame us for rejuv spam. I think it's easy to end up feeling that way. |
| 05:47.21 | Shefki | Rokiyo: I like how they changed it since they couldn't make it work right with haste. |
| 05:47.51 | Rokiyo | it pumps the HPCT of rejuv so ridiculously far ahead of regrowth, that the moment our our mana regen hits a certain threshold, rejuv spam will again be the correct answer for any and all situations |
| 05:48.26 | Rokiyo | it's more mana efficient than nourish, and will produce a MUCH higher overall HPS then regrowth spam... |
| 05:48.30 | Shefki | Rokiyo: I've said for a long time that trying to balance healing by balancing mana regen is insane. |
| 05:49.01 | Repo | 10triage (experimental): 03baps * r12 / (4 files in 1 directory): |
| 05:49.02 | Repo | Roster notifies Dialog of roster changes, Dialog gathers oRA3 tank list, Player Buttons created, Dialog does more localization, close button placed, etc |
| 05:49.03 | Shefki | At least it is as long as they put ever increasing amounts of regen stats on gear every tier. |
| 05:49.03 | Rokiyo | i think mana in general is broken |
| 05:49.22 | Rokiyo | yup |
| 05:49.26 | Rokiyo | mana mattered at the start of wotlk |
| 05:49.34 | Rokiyo | just like it will matter at the start of cata |
| 05:49.46 | Rokiyo | then a couple of tiers in it'll stop mattering and everything will break again |
| 05:50.14 | Rokiyo | so much rests on mana mattering to healers... it's crazy |
| 05:50.16 | Shefki | And then they'll dick with Innervate and say "Look we fixed it." |
| 05:50.22 | Rokiyo | tanks don't care about mitigation if healers dont care about mana |
| 05:50.23 | doom0r | well, you need a control, and focus makes everything exactly the same |
| 05:50.54 | Rokiyo | dps don't care about soul stones and bandages, etc if healers dont care about mana |
| 05:50.59 | doom0r | and too many don't like hardcore old school 40man raid pay attention healing |
| 05:51.52 | doom0r | problem is, if you can't make that easy, you can't make so much movement and interactive fights |
| 05:52.19 | doom0r | to where it doesn't become a chore |
| 05:52.26 | Rokiyo | rage, energy, focus and mana for dps specs are all very short term resources... It comes and goes easily and you're likely to have as much of it after 2 minutes as you are after 5 |
| 05:52.40 | Rokiyo | it's only for healers than mana acts as you would traditionally expect a mana bar to act |
| 05:52.59 | Rokiyo | and as such, it's only for healers that mana is horribly broken |
| 05:53.28 | doom0r | that's my point, that's why they let it be so inflated |
| 05:53.37 | doom0r | from what i perceive |
| 05:53.47 | Shefki | Rokiyo: They're trying to use us to limit the stamina of the raid. |
| 05:53.52 | Shefki | And I don't mean stamina like that stat. |
| 05:54.07 | Rokiyo | yeah, i see healer mana becoming the new soft enrage timer |
| 05:55.21 | Rokiyo | i'm starting to think healer mana is trying to do too much for game balance |
| 05:55.39 | Rokiyo | it's affecting everything from tank itemisation to encounter design |
| 05:56.24 | Rokiyo | it places a lot of pressure on the healers |
| 05:56.50 | Rokiyo | if they waste the resource that balances everyone and everything else, they're screwing everyone over |
| 05:57.24 | Shefki | They'll probably burn a lot of people that aren't dedicated healers out. |
| 05:57.30 | Shefki | THere will be a "healer shortage" |
| 05:57.34 | Shefki | And they'll change it. |
| 05:57.42 | Shefki | Undoing their entire design. |
| 05:58.18 | Rokiyo | GC has already commented to effect that he's hoping skilled players will be drawn towards the challenge of healing to make up for the facerollers moving elsewhere |
| 05:58.32 | Rokiyo | whether or not that actually happens... we'll see |
| 05:58.44 | Shefki | Rokiyo: lol |
| 05:59.01 | Shefki | Skiled players moving towards something that they can't measure. |
| 05:59.37 | doom0r | why can't they measure it? |
| 05:59.45 | Rokiyo | it's not like we saw a massive increase in the numbers of feral druids after it the john madden thing became widely known |
| 05:59.48 | Shefki | Healing meters don't mean skill. |
| 05:59.54 | doom0r | that's not how they measure |
| 05:59.57 | Shefki | DPS you're competing against yourself. |
| 06:00.17 | doom0r | if we are talkign about blizz measuring how it works |
| 06:00.24 | doom0r | you may mean else |
| 06:00.30 | Shefki | I mean players. |
| 06:00.36 | doom0r | ah, yes |
| 06:00.55 | Azerith | i could play a healer again... |
| 06:01.03 | Rokiyo | yeah, skilled players are often competitive, and it's hard to competitively heal :P |
| 06:01.07 | Azerith | but then id have to play again:P |
| 06:01.10 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 06:01.18 | Rokiyo | don't lie, you played yesterday |
| 06:01.19 | Shefki | Rokiyo: THat's my point. |
| 06:01.21 | Rokiyo | AND YOU LIKED IT |
| 06:01.39 | Azerith | silance! |
| 06:01.44 | doom0r | Rokiyo: it's not hard, you push your tank to do more than the other and keep him alive ;x |
| 06:01.50 | Rokiyo | yeah i'm just late to the party shefki, i was attempting to agree and clarify for doom0r at the same time |
| 06:02.14 | doom0r | it's just hard to get numbers for it |
| 06:02.23 | Rokiyo | what about raid healers? :P |
| 06:02.30 | doom0r | exactly |
| 06:02.33 | doom0r | competing tanks |
| 06:02.48 | doom0r | we used to do it, if only half the raiders knew the crap we did like that |
| 06:02.58 | doom0r | bwl in vanilla |
| 06:03.28 | doom0r | simultaneously trash pack pulls in the drakes rooms, etc |
| 06:03.35 | doom0r | suddenly everyones dead |
| 06:03.37 | Rokiyo | besides, i think if we're in some serious trouble if we go down the path of encouraging tanks to start periodically sitting during boss fights to increase their damage taken so that their assigned healer can win the meters.... |
| 06:04.09 | Rokiyo | and again, winning the meters is an awful way to measure healer skill |
| 06:04.26 | Rokiyo | hrmm |
| 06:04.28 | Shefki | There is no way to measure healer skill that's objective. |
| 06:04.30 | Rokiyo | oooh |
| 06:04.33 | Rokiyo | ooooooh |
| 06:04.36 | doom0r | only healer fail |
| 06:04.46 | Rokiyo | how about a mana efficiency meter? :P |
| 06:04.49 | doom0r | histograms |
| 06:05.05 | Mirrormn | unfortunately, DPS meters don't really measure skill quite as much as you might expect, most of the time |
| 06:05.15 | Azerith | but if mana is meaning less what could would that do? |
| 06:05.16 | Shefki | Rokiyo: Didn't we have that in classic? |
| 06:05.20 | doom0r | Mirrormn: sadly no |
| 06:05.35 | Rokiyo | hrmm... |
| 06:05.42 | Rokiyo | it's sounding familiar |
| 06:05.45 | Mirrormn | granted, DPS meters are definitely better than healing meters, but they still suffer from many inconsistencies |
| 06:05.45 | Shefki | Mirrormn: Comparing spec to spec and roughly equivalently geared it does. |
| 06:05.56 | *** join/#wowace phyber (phyber@irssi.co.uk) |
| 06:05.57 | Rokiyo | i remember having addons that displayed raid healer mana |
| 06:06.01 | Mirrormn | oftentimes it does not |
| 06:06.10 | Rokiyo | we may well be heading back in that direction |
| 06:06.12 | doom0r | Mirrormn: my 4k as a pally during a heroic doesn't show me working my ass off on a boss fight, nor the lives saved taunting off some random scrub tank |
| 06:06.30 | Azerith | sorry, very very late to the convo here, but your all talking about how to 'display' how skilled someone is at chess. |
| 06:06.38 | doom0r | interrupts too |
| 06:06.39 | Rokiyo | rofl |
| 06:06.46 | Rokiyo | well... kinda |
| 06:06.58 | Azerith | there is no objective way in the structure wow gives |
| 06:07.01 | Rokiyo | you can have people play chess against each other and determine rankings |
| 06:07.08 | Azerith | you know someone is epic when you raid with them |
| 06:07.09 | doom0r | yes Azerith, grab the bishop and heal King Lane (i think?) |
| 06:07.25 | Azerith | and they pull you though an alsmot wipe 6 times and you know it was because of them |
| 06:07.27 | Mirrormn | well, in my experience - I play a dps mage and there is one other mage in my guild and he is roughly as good as I am |
| 06:07.40 | Parnic | i'm a tank mage myself |
| 06:07.45 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 06:08.03 | Mirrormn | whenever either of us is on top of the other in DPS, it is always due to some random fight mechanic marginalizing one of us more than the other |
| 06:08.06 | Azerith | other then reputation i dont see a way to have a truely meaningful gauge - my 10c |
| 06:08.24 | Mirrormn | or when one of use enacted some strategy that is riskier than the other |
| 06:08.28 | Shefki | Mirrormn: Sure that's true. |
| 06:08.41 | Azerith | oh! i was a tank mage in BC :P |
| 06:08.41 | Mirrormn | or when someone decided to spam PI on one of us and not the other |
| 06:08.59 | Mirrormn | or, occasionally, when one of us just got unlucky with crit RNG |
| 06:08.59 | doom0r | how's that working out for you Azerith? |
| 06:09.00 | Shefki | Mirrormn: But those things can be accounted for pretty easily. |
| 06:09.16 | Mirrormn | they can be accounted for, but they don't show up on a DPS meter |
| 06:09.17 | Azerith | well i dont play now do i :P |
| 06:09.26 | Mirrormn | all I'm talking about is the accuracy of the meter |
| 06:09.33 | doom0r | Azerith: fight club reference |
| 06:09.34 | Azerith | Rokiyo has kept me intrerested and mildy informed |
| 06:09.38 | Rokiyo | Aze: the problem is supply and demand... there is PLENTY of demand for addons that measure skill... so it's hard to avoid debating how to supply such addons |
| 06:09.41 | doom0r | Azerith: "my 10c" |
| 06:10.04 | Azerith | what scene? O.o |
| 06:10.08 | Mirrormn | oh, and also |
| 06:10.12 | doom0r | the plane |
| 06:10.18 | Azerith | oh yeh |
| 06:10.19 | Azerith | hehehe |
| 06:10.24 | doom0r | "being clever" |
| 06:10.32 | Shefki | Fact is even chess rating system fails in WoW. |
| 06:10.36 | Azerith | and now a question of ediquit, do i give you the ass or the croch |
| 06:10.41 | Shefki | If you need proof just look at Arena. |
| 06:10.47 | Rokiyo | lol, true |
| 06:10.54 | Shefki | Arena was pretty straightforward Elo. |
| 06:10.57 | Azerith | tips his hat to doom0r |
| 06:11.01 | Shefki | People gamed it. |
| 06:11.06 | Shefki | So they had to change it. |
| 06:11.18 | Rokiyo | i guess it's not so much that we're trying to measure the skill of 2 chess players... we're trying to measure the power of 2 chess pieces |
| 06:11.31 | Parnic | metaphors are fun for everyone |
| 06:11.33 | Rokiyo | how do you really measure how much more powerful a knight is compared to a bishop? |
| 06:11.41 | Rokiyo | lol, yeh |
| 06:11.56 | doom0r | DPS METER! |
| 06:12.06 | doom0r | hides |
| 06:12.08 | Azerith | rotfl |
| 06:12.38 | Shefki | Knight > Bishop, end of debate. |
| 06:12.40 | Rokiyo | My pawn kills your bishop. Clearly the pawn is superior. |
| 06:13.03 | Mirrormn | anyway, I've stopped paying as much attention to DPS meters anymore |
| 06:13.05 | doom0r | sure, pawn helps make gear choices, ofc it is better |
| 06:13.06 | Azerith | if bliz are moving towards trying to make 'skill' matter, without having an objective way to mesure it, you may as well feed the yuppies 'skill lite' |
| 06:13.33 | Shefki | SkillScore. |
| 06:13.39 | Rokiyo | lol, shefki beat me to it |
| 06:13.39 | doom0r | well, they can measure it Azerith |
| 06:13.46 | doom0r | in general |
| 06:13.51 | Azerith | objectively? |
| 06:14.01 | Rokiyo | i actually suggested create a skillscore in the official forums at some point |
| 06:14.04 | doom0r | nothing in fine print proof paper |
| 06:14.27 | Rokiyo | it was met with similar "yo dawg, u crazy" responses |
| 06:14.32 | Shefki | I am seriously tempted to write an addon that generates a skillscore from essentially random nosense. |
| 06:14.40 | doom0r | but they can watch raid completion numbers, combat lengths, and any other number you could come up with to determine if it's a decent move |
| 06:14.50 | Azerith | Shefki: thats what im talking about |
| 06:14.57 | Shefki | But make it behave close enough that people buy into it. |
| 06:15.01 | Shefki | Just so I can laugh at them. |
| 06:15.13 | doom0r | especially class activity |
| 06:15.18 | Azerith | but we cant, we dont have access to that data |
| 06:15.41 | Azerith | well, not right away, could you poll that data? |
| 06:15.42 | doom0r | no |
| 06:15.47 | Rokiyo | the "proper" way to measure skill would be some crazy AI that is aware of what the ideal response to every situation is, and marks you based on how quickly you perform the appropriate response |
| 06:15.54 | doom0r | we won't ever |
| 06:16.03 | Rokiyo | "oh, it took you 0.273 seconds longer to interupt than it should have, you're a bad" |
| 06:16.23 | Shefki | Rokiyo: Sweet idea. |
| 06:16.26 | Azerith | Rokiyo: never mind your lag is 300ms |
| 06:16.35 | Mirrormn | and how do you account for the fact that there is often not one exact "right" action to take in a given situation? |
| 06:16.43 | Shefki | Then we can just call it LagScore. |
| 06:16.46 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 06:16.59 | Rokiyo | heh... that's a point mirrorm |
| 06:17.15 | Rokiyo | oh wow |
| 06:17.15 | Azerith | are there, and im showing my ignorace of the game now, times when the best action is inaction? |
| 06:17.19 | Rokiyo | i've got it |
| 06:17.24 | doom0r | Mirrormn: that points out the difference between guild and pug raids |
| 06:17.26 | Rokiyo | we need to implement the microsoft papercliip |
| 06:17.30 | Rokiyo | but for wow |
| 06:17.39 | Shefki | But but but, the spreadsheet says I should be casting Rejuv. |
| 06:17.47 | *** join/#wowace steev_ (~steev@gentoo/developer/steev) |
| 06:17.57 | doom0r | guild would discuss available options and attempt, pug just shakes their black ball and hope the raid works |
| 06:18.05 | Azerith | Wowclip says: i see your trying to jump off a clif, would you like me to disable your flying mount for you? |
| 06:18.31 | doom0r | Rokiyo: been done |
| 06:19.16 | Shefki | Wowclip says: I see you're trying to raid in pvp gear, would you like me to show you where VoA is? |
| 06:19.29 | Mirrormn | I still like my idea of the addon that makes you go blind if you don't maintain a proper xp/hour rate |
| 06:19.29 | steev_ | heh |
| 06:19.32 | Azerith | Rokiyo: whats your ping to google? |
| 06:19.38 | Mirrormn | I could modify it to apply to DPS, as well |
| 06:19.58 | Shefki | What's your ping to google, lmfao |
| 06:20.04 | Shefki | That's hilarious. |
| 06:20.25 | Azerith | he's on adsl im on wcdma |
| 06:20.28 | Azerith | im curious |
| 06:20.34 | steev_ | Mirrormn: or you could just draw around the buttons, like when things proc |
| 06:20.38 | Shefki | Google isn't a single place man. |
| 06:20.43 | Azerith | i know |
| 06:20.49 | Mirrormn | huh? |
| 06:20.50 | Rokiyo | ~47ms |
| 06:20.57 | Rokiyo | to google.com.au |
| 06:21.20 | steev_ | Mirrormn: instead of making DPS go blind, they would obviously respond to blinky lights |
| 06:21.23 | Azerith | but given we are both in the same state and the servers are in sydney i think |
| 06:21.38 | Azerith | 66.102.11.104? |
| 06:21.41 | Mirrormn | whaa... that's totally unrelated to what I'm talking about |
| 06:22.04 | Rokiyo | Aze: yup, that's what it resolved to for me as well |
| 06:22.15 | Mirrormn | and, even more confusingly, I think it's *exactly* what brandonjviles is talking about doing in #wowuidev |
| 06:22.26 | Azerith | or perhaps a better test, what should i ping to get an idea for wow lag over my current connection? |
| 06:22.41 | steev_ | Mirrormn: i don't hang out in #wowuidev |
| 06:22.42 | Rokiyo | how about an actual wow server? :P |
| 06:22.47 | steev_ | so i have no idea what he's doing :( |
| 06:22.52 | Mirrormn | well |
| 06:22.59 | Azerith | i dont know them |
| 06:23.00 | Rokiyo | http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter |
| 06:23.14 | Rokiyo | I play on Barthilas |
| 06:23.15 | Mirrormn | he's talking about an addon which draws boxes around your action bar buttons to indicate what spells you should use at what times |
| 06:23.17 | Rokiyo | the IP for that server is 12.129.254.204 |
| 06:23.24 | Azerith | making me use bandwith, ima hurt you when i get home |
| 06:23.37 | Mirrormn | so when you started talking about that I got really confused as to what channel I was looking at |
| 06:24.00 | steev_ | Mirrormn: yeah, thats kinda what i meant, but i was only joking, since you were talking about modifying the addon to make people blind for dps :P |
| 06:24.14 | Azerith | lol 100% packet loss :( |
| 06:24.25 | steev_ | they may be blocking ICMP traffic |
| 06:24.31 | Rokiyo | hey |
| 06:24.34 | Rokiyo | hey aze |
| 06:24.38 | Rokiyo | your girlfriend's home |
| 06:24.38 | Baps | they do] |
| 06:24.44 | Azerith | wouldnt suprise me, would be standard IDS |
| 06:24.45 | Baps | you want to traceroute to there |
| 06:24.54 | Azerith | IPS* |
| 06:24.55 | Baps | and pick the furthest hop you can still reach |
| 06:25.18 | Mirrormn | well, I was talking about a satirical addon idea I had yesterdayish which involved a black texture over the entire screen whose opacity would be inversely proportional to how close your current xp/hour is to your historical record xp/hour |
| 06:25.35 | Mirrormn | thus causing your screen to dim and eventually become entirely black if you don't continue leveling |
| 06:25.35 | steev_ | heh |
| 06:25.56 | Baps | so.. after 106 days at level 80.. I might make out the sun.. maybe? =) |
| 06:25.56 | Azerith | 286ms |
| 06:25.56 | steev_ | how do you unblacken it? |
| 06:26.02 | Mirrormn | YOU CAN'T |
| 06:26.06 | Mirrormn | that's the point |
| 06:26.12 | Mirrormn | you level OR YOU DIE FOREVER |
| 06:26.18 | steev_ | rofl |
| 06:26.25 | Shefki | Mirrormn: Do that for attempts on raid bosses. |
| 06:27.03 | Rokiyo | who was it that was suggesting a big texture over the top of your action bars that faded in and out based on your threat? |
| 06:27.13 | Azerith | thats not a bad idea, raid time, tracking |
| 06:27.19 | Mirrormn | like your screen gets darker and darker the more attempts you use past your historical smallest number of attempts needed to kill the boss? |
| 06:27.36 | Mirrormn | or do you mean in terms of time between pulls? |
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| 06:27.55 | Mirrormn | "don't go afk or my screen will go black!" |
| 06:29.18 | Shefki | Mirrormn: Former. |
| 06:29.37 | Azerith | Mirrormn: i thought that was the 'raid kick' mechanic? |
| 06:32.28 | Azerith | ive never felt so unproductive with dual screen as i do at work right now |
| 06:35.07 | doom0r | i knew i'd find the microsoft paperclip addon somewhere http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_210848.jpg |
| 06:35.20 | doom0r | was called Flippy, Antiarc made it ;x |
| 06:35.42 | Azerith | i totaly dc'd didnt i? |
| 06:36.02 | Rokiyo | bahaha, that's awesome doom0r! |
| 06:40.26 | Rokiyo | lua> = true |
| 06:40.28 | lua_bot | Rokiyo: true |
| 06:40.56 | Rokiyo | k, what's with lua letting you start an expressing with =? |
| 06:41.13 | Rokiyo | lua> nil = true |
| 06:41.14 | lua_bot | Rokiyo: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'nil' |
| 06:41.25 | Shefki | Rokiyo: It doesn't, has to do with how lua bot works. |
| 06:41.38 | Rokiyo | the lua.org functions tutorial does it plenty |
| 06:41.42 | Rokiyo | http://lua-users.org/wiki/FunctionsTutorial |
| 06:41.50 | Rokiyo | > function foo(n) return n*2 end |
| 06:41.51 | Rokiyo | > = foo(7) |
| 06:42.13 | Shefki | They're showing the command line shell. |
| 06:42.25 | Shefki | = is just the shorthand to that to print dump the output. |
| 06:42.41 | Azerith | ah |
| 06:42.45 | Rokiyo | lua> "foo" |
| 06:42.45 | lua_bot | Rokiyo: foo |
| 06:42.56 | Rokiyo | lua> = "foo" |
| 06:42.57 | lua_bot | Rokiyo: foo |
| 06:43.02 | Rokiyo | so luabot just does that automatically? |
| 06:43.14 | Shefki | Rokiyo: lua bot is just a front end to the shell. |
| 06:43.33 | Shefki | $ cat x |
| 06:43.33 | Shefki | = true |
| 06:43.44 | Shefki | $ lua < x |
| 06:43.45 | Shefki | lua: stdin:1: unexpected symbol near '=' |
| 06:44.44 | Rokiyo | k, well i think that answers that |
| 06:44.45 | Rokiyo | thanks |
| 06:45.00 | *** join/#wowace sylvanaar (~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 06:45.50 | doom0r | if i can't get the mount, i'm damn well gonne get the head/blade |
| 06:46.53 | *** part/#wowace Seerah (~Ryan@adsl-226-120-176.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:47.52 | doom0r | Shefki: holy power module bugs on zone change with powers active |
| 06:48.08 | doom0r | well, not bugs so much as doesn't reset after til it gets a gain |
| 06:48.16 | doom0r | that a can't fix? |
| 06:48.36 | doom0r | or should i go ticket it |
| 06:48.42 | Shefki | doom0r: Ticket that. |
| 06:48.51 | Shefki | I knew it was doing some strange things but didn't have an explanation. |
| 06:49.09 | doom0r | ya, needs to check power after instance zone |
| 06:49.25 | Shefki | ck wrote it I just haven't looked at it to figure out what it was doing wrong. |
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| 06:49.42 | Shefki | Actually I know both SoulShards and HolyPower uses the PB4 API wrong. |
| 06:49.46 | Rokiyo | lua> print({1, 2, 3}) |
| 06:49.46 | lua_bot | Rokiyo: table: 0x8c31720 |
| 06:50.14 | doom0r | well, blizz resets your holy power on instance zoning |
| 06:50.19 | Shefki | Forever and ever I will hate the decision to have module:Update() and module:UpdateFrame() |
| 06:50.31 | doom0r | i think it's just a matter of being unaware when it was written |
| 06:50.51 | Shefki | doom0r: Well he should have been looking at Blizzard's code. |
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| 06:53.33 | Shefki | I'm being a bit of a bum tonight but hopefully I'll get some stuff done tomorrow. |
| 06:54.16 | Azerith | i r learning :P |
| 06:55.41 | Azerith | silly question, what are the differences in module:Update() and module:updateFrame() ? is frame simply the display? |
| 06:56.31 | Shefki | Nobody should ever call module:UpdateFrame directly. |
| 06:57.02 | Shefki | module:Update() deals with a lot of overhead for the modules so they don't have to do it themselves. |
| 06:57.08 | Shefki | And then calls module:UpdateFrame |
| 06:57.34 | Azerith | O.o so why have an UpdateFrame? |
| 06:57.51 | Azerith | or was that the point of your comment? |
| 06:57.51 | Shefki | So Update has something to call to tell the module to do the draw. |
| 06:58.10 | Rokiyo | brb |
| 06:58.12 | Shefki | module:Update is in the stub. |
| 06:58.23 | Azerith | ah |
| 06:58.24 | Shefki | The modules don't have to actually provide it themselves. |
| 06:58.40 | Shefki | They do have to provide UpdateFrame though. |
| 06:58.49 | doom0r | it's ticketed (i tend to forget to) |
| 07:00.12 | Azerith | yeh, like writing to the framebuffer in tk |
| 07:00.21 | Shefki | I need to figure out how Blizzard broke Cooldown Frames. |
| 07:00.22 | Azerith | still have to update it to see a change |
| 07:00.26 | doom0r | according to ingame calendar, hallow's end ends before halloween does |
| 07:00.28 | Shefki | I have a pretty good idea though. |
| 07:01.23 | Shefki | If they're implementing them as AnimationGroups now then they broke them with the stupid immediate OnUpdate call. |
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| 07:03.03 | Nechckn | guys, no game access, atm - you can or cannot sell http://www.wowhead.com/item=33226 ? |
| 07:03.30 | doom0r | cannot |
| 07:03.32 | doom0r | no value |
| 07:03.52 | doom0r | has duration |
| 07:04.10 | Azerith | given that id like to help out, where should i start? |
| 07:04.13 | Nechckn | okey doke -figured but had to be sure |
| 07:04.30 | Nechckn | ty, doom0r |
| 07:05.12 | orionshock | anyone know of an addon that shows you if a glyph is known by an alt ? |
| 07:05.29 | durcyn | orionshock: altoholic, but i suspect it's a bit heavier than you're looking for |
| 07:05.39 | orionshock | yeah |
| 07:05.48 | orionshock | likely if that's the only addon i'll just stub make my own |
| 07:06.15 | doom0r | orionshock: probably just need the talents section |
| 07:06.23 | doom0r | s/section/module/ |
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| 07:18.35 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 * r45 / (2 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 07:18.36 | Repo | * Better visibility of the inspection process. Now has a small blinking light |
| 07:18.37 | Repo | while someone is being inspected (i.e. the inspection request has been sent, |
| 07:18.38 | Repo | now waiting for the response). |
| 07:18.39 | Repo | Also improved the tooltip for the missing-talents-for window - it now shows |
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| 07:30.58 | orionshock | yeah, looks like im gonna have to make my own here |
| 07:34.30 | Fisker | hey orionshock |
| 07:34.43 | orionshock | yo Fisker |
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| 07:55.07 | orionshock | did they add an API to scan / get tooltip data in last patch? |
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| 08:06.48 | Rokiyo | what data are you after? |
| 08:07.05 | Rokiyo | there are different ways to scan tooltips, depending on what you want to get out of them |
| 08:15.30 | Mirrormn | sometimes the best way is to roll them in flatbread and then lightly pan-fry them until the tendons release |
| 08:15.55 | Mirrormn | revealing the juicy dark red inner meat |
| 08:16.37 | Mirrormn | actually, that makes absolutely no sense, why would you roll something in flatbread if it needed to be somehow opened to be eaten |
| 08:17.00 | Mirrormn | you'd end up having whatever shell or husk inside the bread! |
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| 10:12.15 | Repo | 10mrunes: 03mangeg 07master * 1.13-5-g46cc8e5 / (4 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Improved Config mode. |
| 10:16.15 | Repo | 10baggins: 03profalbert 06ace3 * r495 Baggins-Options.lua: fix section-category-config |
| 10:19.35 | Repo | 10mrunes: 03mangeg 041.20 * bae626f /: [new tag] Tagging |
| 10:21.46 | Repo | 10rw2: 03mangeg 07development * 42e9976 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Added some stuff for Al'Akir |
| 10:27.24 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r696 .hgtags: Added tag 3.4.9 for changeset baf7d756f108 |
| 10:27.46 | Stanzilla | oh noes, a tag |
| 10:28.00 | nevcairiel | watches the packager going bananas |
| 10:31.21 | ramoz | what have you done+! |
| 10:32.32 | nevcairiel | its still weird, it creates an alpha zip and a tag zip |
| 10:32.43 | nevcairiel | it shouldnt create alphas of tags commit |
| 10:32.48 | nevcairiel | tag commits* |
| 10:35.02 | haste | but alpha releases are better! |
| 10:40.46 | quiescens | ~ |
| 10:43.57 | Repo | 10gridstatusemphasize: 03slaren * r15 Modules (3 files in 1 directory): - Update for 4.0 |
| 10:44.16 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 10:44.35 | sylvanaar | it creates the alpha 696 |
| 10:45.56 | sylvanaar | im happy that it doesnt bring down wowace.com anymore |
| 10:48.29 | Gnarfoz | hg is the devil! |
| 10:48.33 | sylvanaar | lies |
| 10:48.50 | haste | git has won! |
| 10:49.02 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 10:49.04 | Fisker | no haste |
| 10:49.04 | Fisker | die |
| 10:49.06 | Fisker | diediedie |
| 10:49.12 | nevcairiel | dont they say that in hell, there are pools of boiling mercurial? |
| 10:49.13 | Fisker | i mean live |
| 10:49.29 | sylvanaar | it would be mercury |
| 10:49.36 | nevcairiel | same thing! |
| 10:49.56 | sylvanaar | mercurial means fast, or light-footed |
| 10:50.16 | nevcairiel | yet they took a greyish blob as their logo, hinting at mercury |
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| 10:50.38 | nevcairiel | also, the whole hg thing :P |
| 10:50.42 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 * r47 Textures/light.tga: * Adding obligatory missing file. Sigh. |
| 10:51.38 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 044.0.0beta14 * r48 : |
| 10:51.39 | Repo | Tagging as 4.0.0beta14, now with inspection indicator light as intended. |
| 10:53.20 | Fisker | i hate people haste |
| 10:53.25 | Repo | 10professionbars: 03stolenlegacy * r38 / (2 files in 1 directory): Attempted 4.0 fix. |
| 10:53.41 | Fisker | What if i buy the digital version, download it etc etc. Then lets say i buy a new comp and i have to reinstall it do i have to rebuy the digital version or is it somewhere available for free after a purchase? |
| 10:53.42 | haste | I hate Fisker Fisker |
| 10:53.51 | Fisker | I play on multiple computers for Warcraft, so if I downloaded it once on 1 computer, would I have to buy it again or could I download it multiple times from the same account to different computers? |
| 10:54.06 | nevcairiel | You have to buy it again, and again, and after every patch, again |
| 10:54.17 | nevcairiel | thats just how awesoem they are |
| 10:54.28 | Fisker | everytime you need to download something you need to buy WoW + all expansions |
| 10:54.40 | ramoz | good |
| 10:54.51 | ramoz | s/good/god |
| 10:54.52 | Fisker | patch, tools update, non-critical update (which doesn't download anything), preloads, etc. |
| 10:55.00 | ramoz | how can i turn of the launcher sound?! |
| 10:55.02 | nevcairiel | addons, too |
| 10:55.04 | sylvanaar | it should just be part of the subscription |
| 10:55.30 | Fisker | ramoz you just buy wow + all expansions |
| 10:55.51 | Fisker | (or mute the sound in volume control if you have vista or better(i.e. no linux/macs) |
| 10:56.49 | Fisker | get it haste ? |
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| 11:07.56 | haste | no! |
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| 11:11.56 | sylvanaar | i need to come up with a way to automate the testing on my ide |
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| 11:16.26 | Repo | 10mrunes: 03mangeg 07master * 1.20-1-g398981c Modules (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Do not display runic power if disabled. |
| 11:20.47 | Repo | 10mrunes: 03mangeg 07master * 1.21 mRunes.toc: [+1 commit] TOC update |
| 11:20.53 | Repo | 10mrunes: 03mangeg 041.21 * 9b52f37 /: [new tag] Tagging |
| 11:20.55 | Fisker | you should haste |
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| 11:24.52 | segorawow | Hello. Is someone here familiar with the ScrollingTable? |
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| 11:28.20 | Nexiuz | Just tell your problem, and see if anyone knows anything about it |
| 11:32.32 | segorawow | i would like to create a "blacklist" only for my guild, with some special stuff that only belongs to our guild .. i have seen that fauxscrollframes, but they look very complicated. that scrollingtable which i could create with ace look a little bit more easier. my question now is if it is possible to add a "on-click" element to a row of the table |
| 11:34.26 | Nexiuz | With AceGUI you mean? |
| 11:35.03 | segorawow | i mean that one here: http://www.wowace.com/addons/lib-st/ |
| 11:36.26 | Nexiuz | Try contacting the author and read the lua code of that lib |
| 11:37.08 | Nexiuz | Never used that lib |
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| 11:39.57 | segorawow | okay, i will try it, thanks |
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| 12:19.41 | vhaarr | segorawow: http://www.wowace.com/addons/lib-st/reverse-relationships/ |
| 12:19.48 | vhaarr | some of those authors might be here, but I doubt it |
| 12:19.54 | vhaarr | anyway, there you have tons of example code |
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| 12:22.47 | segorawow | thank you, vhaarr, i will take a look at those addons |
| 12:24.13 | ShadniX | segorawow: yeah, it is possible... |
| 12:24.37 | ShadniX | just give me a sec to let me find my code for it... |
| 12:25.56 | ShadniX | btw - this reverse relationship list seems like it doesn't update anymore |
| 12:27.08 | ShadniX | segorawow: after you've created a ScrollingTable (short: ST), you can register events to it via ST:RegisterEvents |
| 12:27.08 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 07cataclysm * r2930 / (5 files in 5 directories): - pvp prices |
| 12:27.09 | Repo | - various other stuff |
| 12:28.01 | ShadniX | segorawow: the documentation vor registering can be found at http://www.wowace.com/addons/lib-st/pages/ui-events/ |
| 12:28.58 | segorawow | okay, and the argument rowFrame is the current frame? |
| 12:29.04 | segorawow | current row* |
| 12:29.12 | segorawow | which receives the click |
| 12:29.23 | segorawow | or realrow, hm |
| 12:30.11 | ShadniX | of you need to have data from the table, use realrow |
| 12:30.29 | segorawow | yes, i see, there is an example at the bottom of the page |
| 12:32.54 | ShadniX | segorawow: another example: http://paste.curseforge.com/mcws230nx8bpla5v/ |
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| 12:34.14 | segorawow | thank you, i think that will help me |
| 12:35.49 | ShadniX | damn - mentioned wrong return value in the comment in row 3 - return true, if you want to disable the default handler of lib-st |
| 12:36.01 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 07cataclysm * r2931 / (3 files in 2 directories): - bugfix |
| 12:36.14 | ShadniX | return nil, if it should handle the event after your function has been executed |
| 12:36.46 | ShadniX | which is basically the sorting stuff when someone clicked on the header |
| 12:43.13 | Repo | 10unicode-font: 03Whitetooth * r49 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Fixed Blizzard Calender not showing raid resets |
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| 12:55.10 | Repo | d76ad35: TOC Update |
| 12:55.11 | Repo | 0df4874: Sorting of runes added. See the Ordering tab in the Runes options. |
| 12:55.18 | Repo | 10mrunes: 03mangeg 041.22 * a2faa95 /: [new tag] Tagging |
| 12:56.54 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r7588 / (9 files in 6 directories): frFR Update |
| 13:00.26 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r177 Elephant.toc: Adding options in TOC :P |
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| 13:15.46 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r178 / (12 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 13:15.47 | Repo | - Documenting pretty much *EVERYTHING* about Elephant |
| 13:15.48 | Repo | - Moving variable things from defaultConf to tempConf |
| 13:15.49 | Repo | - Better tooltip for some options, yay! |
| 13:15.50 | Repo | - Fixing channel structure not being recreated after deleting filter |
| 13:27.35 | Repo | 10mrunes: 03mangeg 07master * 1.22-1-g9889116 Modules/Runes.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed typo on rune names. |
| 13:27.42 | Mikk | @describe Elephant |
| 13:27.44 | Repo | Mikk: http://www.wowace.com/addons/elephant/. Elephant. A friendly companion that remembers the chat. |
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| 13:33.02 | Fisker | hey Mikk |
| 13:33.24 | Fisker | you shouldn't need elephants described |
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| 13:36.59 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r179 / (3 files in 1 directory): - Renaming Interface-Tooltip.lua to Broker.lua |
| 13:37.01 | Repo | - Updating TOC as required |
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| 13:39.39 | Repo | - Updated the data broker widget code. Added supporting methods to database classes to query the number of free item slots in the player's bags and bank. |
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| 13:42.30 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r180 / (5 files in 1 directory): - Moving Broker from Core.lua to Broker.lua |
| 13:42.31 | Repo | - Now using local methods when possible to reduce size of Elephant object |
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| 13:59.04 | Repo | - Never skip resizing player's own auras on redraw. Stops them resetting to normal aura icon size on UI reload. |
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| 14:11.55 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r181 Interface.lua: Tooltip now wraps (finally!) |
| 14:13.47 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r182 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 14:13.48 | Repo | Now displaying a message describing a little bit more what the "Copy" button does |
| 14:18.13 | Repo | 10wgclean (experimental): 03stolenlegacy * r22 WGClean.lua: Fix for a variable name typo causing nil index issues. |
| 14:18.36 | Repo | 10wgclean (experimental): 03stolenlegacy 04beta-2d * r23 : tagging beta-2d |
| 14:18.42 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r183 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Now letting placement of tooltip when using :SetTooltip() |
| 14:18.43 | Repo | - Better placement for copy tooltip information |
| 14:20.10 | Baps | dev: the latter |
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| 14:25.18 | segorawow | vhaarr: do you know if there is a way to differentiate between a left or right click inside the event-handler? |
| 14:29.32 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r184 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Elephant tooltip now accepting colored messages |
| 14:29.33 | Repo | - Adding some color and style to message catchers tooltip |
| 14:31.18 | Repo | 10archud3: 03nyyr * r21 / (8 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 14:31.19 | Repo | * Combo points decay fix (ticket #11) |
| 14:31.20 | Repo | * Ability to hide/show blizzard unit frames for player target (ticket #8) |
| 14:31.21 | Repo | * Ability to hide/show ring outlines (ticket #9) |
| 14:31.22 | Repo | * Correctly centering (de)buff applications (ticket #12) |
| 14:43.28 | Fisker | fake boxer is a jerk Megalon :( |
| 14:44.27 | Megalon | you no like? |
| 14:45.01 | quiescens | o.o |
| 14:45.23 | Fisker | he's a jerk Megalon |
| 14:46.04 | Megalon | did he rape you on ladder? :( |
| 14:48.25 | Fisker | naw |
| 14:48.39 | Fisker | he eliminate babybyebye |
| 14:48.41 | Fisker | +d |
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| 14:52.21 | Megalon | so you like baby? |
| 14:52.35 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r185 / (3 files in 2 directories): - Main window now moveable with left and right button |
| 14:52.36 | Repo | - Better message for main window title tooltip (and even some colors!) |
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| 14:54.04 | Fisker | you calling me a pedophile Megalon ? |
| 15:03.12 | Megalon | nothing wrong with that |
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| 15:05.30 | kromar5959 | hi, my versioncompare link doesnt work anymore, can someone tell me where i can find it? |
| 15:06.25 | pb_ee1 | Does anyone know if it is possible to use some strikethrough style in any fontstring? |
| 15:06.43 | pb_ee1 | Come on guys, time to wake up! ;p |
| 15:06.54 | lozon | whats an easy way to print out the contents of a window to the chat? im drawing a blank here |
| 15:07.11 | pb_ee1 | wonders who is the idiot who invented jet lag. |
| 15:07.22 | pb_ee1 | lozon: what kind of window? |
| 15:07.42 | lozon | sorry, i misspoke, i meant contents of a table |
| 15:07.44 | pb_ee1 | You need to get a frame on which the GetText() method, or something similar, is available |
| 15:07.47 | pb_ee1 | Ha |
| 15:07.49 | pb_ee1 | well |
| 15:08.09 | pb_ee1 | for k,v in pairs(yourtable) do MyAddon:Print(k) MyAddon:Print(v) end |
| 15:08.10 | lozon | i thought there was a print_f, but i think thats php, learning too many languages at once |
| 15:08.12 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Rokiyo * r731 / (6 files in 2 directories): |
| 15:08.13 | Repo | - Most modules now support a new bar filling mode: Expanding outwards from the middle. |
| 15:08.28 | pb_ee1 | Probably another way, I remember Ace2 having a /print slashcommand |
| 15:08.32 | pb_ee1 | Ace3 doesn't |
| 15:08.54 | lozon | ah, okay. |
| 15:08.54 | Pneumatus | /print is default UI now |
| 15:09.00 | Repo | 10archud3: 03nyyr * r22 Rings (2 files in 1 directory): Hiding pet power arc if pet/mount has no power |
| 15:09.24 | lozon | I'm gettign an error that EPGP is now returning a table instead of a string |
| 15:09.44 | Pneumatus | try /dump rather than /print |
| 15:09.47 | lozon | oh wait, i found my error...i forgot the "self" part? fml |
| 15:10.49 | kromar5959 | anyone knows the link for the version tracker? |
| 15:10.51 | pb_ee1 | Pneumatus: Ow, thanks :D |
| 15:11.25 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.29 | Pneumatus | yeh |
| 15:11.31 | pb_ee1 | meh |
| 15:11.39 | pb_ee1 | throws himself by the window. |
| 15:11.56 | Pneumatus | although, Spew has /spew which is a much more pretty dump to its own frame |
| 15:12.07 | pb_ee1 | Ha? Good to know. |
| 15:12.19 | pb_ee1 | So, anyone has any idea about the strikethrough thing? |
| 15:13.01 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r732 IceCastBar.lua: |
| 15:13.02 | Repo | - made castbars always register themselves for updates when shown. fixes a bug where opening the map fullscreen while casting will stop the cast bars from updating (ticket #97) |
| 15:13.16 | Pneumatus | don't think i've ever seen strikethrough text and don't remember seeing an escape for it |
| 15:13.37 | pb_ee1 | Same here. Well, I'll find a workaround, or another way to display that ;p |
| 15:13.39 | pb_ee1 | Thanks! |
| 15:14.08 | Repo | 10archud3: 03nyyr 040.9 beta 2 * r23 : Tagging as 0.9 beta 2 |
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| 15:18.16 | Repo | 10epgpwaitlist: 03nicklozon * r7 / (7 files in 1 directory): Completely revamped the code from an OOP approach. |
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| 15:24.38 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07auraTypeOverhaul * v1.5-beta-10-35-gb9ad06b / (3 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits] |
| 15:24.39 | Repo | b9ad06b: Now one can choose button highlight effect between none, colored border or glowing. |
| 15:24.40 | Repo | 03d55ce: Slightly changed defaults. |
| 15:24.41 | Repo | 8533e81: Bugfix. |
| 15:25.33 | Repo | 10epgpwaitlist: 03nicklozon 040.1-a * r8 : Tagging as 0.1-a |
| 15:26.07 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 07cataclysm * r2933 / (3 files in 3 directories): The Deadmines heroic loot |
| 15:32.04 | vhaarr | segorawow: yeah |
| 15:32.18 | vhaarr | segorawow: in a generic mouse event handler, the second argument will be the mouse button |
| 15:32.26 | vhaarr | "LeftButton", "RightButton" |
| 15:32.33 | vhaarr | I dunno what middle is, but probably "MiddleButton" |
| 15:34.31 | Repo | 10head-count-2: 03kagaro 07master * 7f3924b BossDetection.lua: [+3 commits] |
| 15:34.32 | Repo | 7f3924b: Detection is now working for boss engaged testing |
| 15:34.33 | Repo | aa5a900: Be sure to check alias list for multiboss encounters |
| 15:34.34 | Repo | 2fc0b11: If we didnt detect the correct boss at start, be sure we fire a callback on flexlock checks with the correct boss name. |
| 15:37.39 | Funkeh` | typing should be banned from the internet and only voice allowed, would save 90% of arguments/frustration |
| 15:38.22 | pb_ee1 | We wouldn't understand anything anymore as well if we had to hear evrything that everybody says :D |
| 15:38.31 | haste | I have no voice you insensitive clod! |
| 15:38.42 | Funkeh` | :( |
| 15:41.34 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07auraTypeOverhaul * /: [deleted] |
| 15:41.44 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07master * v1.5-beta-10-37-gc3c5968 / (9 files in 2 directories): [+37 commits] (33 truncated) |
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| 15:42.00 | Repo | c3c5968: Specials ignore previous highlight settings. |
| 15:42.01 | Repo | 0fca043: Locales updated. |
| 15:42.02 | Repo | b9ad06b: Now one can choose button highlight effect between none, colored border or glowing. |
| 15:42.03 | Repo | 03d55ce: Slightly changed defaults. |
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| 15:44.48 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r186 / (3 files in 1 directory): - Moving GetEnabledMsg from Message to Interface |
| 15:44.49 | Repo | - Renaming: GetEnableActionMsg to GetStateChangeActionMsg, GetEnabledMsg to GetStateMsg |
| 15:44.50 | Repo | - Adding GetStateColor |
| 15:46.03 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07[2 branches] 04[4 tags] * /: mass update |
| 15:46.15 | Stanzilla | O__o |
| 15:46.17 | Adirelle | aah, fuck |
| 15:46.25 | Adirelle | repo commit log is fun though xD |
| 15:46.28 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r187 / (4 files in 2 directories): - Removing empty line in tooltip for better readability |
| 15:46.29 | Repo | - Enhancing tooltips of Default chans (whisp, ...), custom chans, general chans and misc. chans |
| 15:46.30 | Repo | - Adding information message to Custom chans tooltip |
| 15:46.31 | Repo | - We're pretty much ready for a beta |
| 15:46.50 | pb_ee1 | lol, Adirelle |
| 15:47.01 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * /: [deleted] |
| 15:47.07 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07refs/remotes/origin/master * /: [deleted] |
| 15:47.16 | Adirelle | when mirroring, also refs in remotes/* are pushed too :[ |
| 15:47.29 | Adirelle | let's see how the packager handle this... |
| 15:48.59 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r733 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 15:49.01 | Repo | - better fix to make sure modules always re-register for updates if they need to when they're shown |
| 15:49.57 | Adirelle | heh, seems Kaelten finally fixed it, thank you man |
| 15:50.51 | nevcairiel | 2 branches, 4 tags? since when does it shorten those messages o.O |
| 15:51.06 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 043.0.4-beta * r188 : Tagging as 3.0.4-beta |
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| 15:54.11 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Since always for git. |
| 15:55.09 | nevcairiel | nah, when i pushed a tag and normal commits, it didnt summarize that in one |
| 15:55.32 | Repo | 10skillet: 03yossa 06lilsparkys-clone * r168 / (27 files in 3 directories): Skillet: |
| 15:55.33 | Repo | - WoW 4.0 Fixes |
| 15:56.21 | Repo | 10libbanzai-2-0: 03Rabbit * r42 / (2 files in 1 directory): Toc bump, since this thing still works anyway. |
| 16:03.29 | Adirelle | nevcairiel, I actually did a "git push origin --mirror" as I wanted it to push master, a new tag and delete 3 old tags, all in one |
| 16:03.41 | Shefki | Hmm --mirror |
| 16:03.51 | Adirelle | (I didn't know it would also push remotes/origin/*) |
| 16:03.55 | nevcairiel | mirror is evil :) |
| 16:04.00 | nevcairiel | it pushes everything |
| 16:04.13 | Shefki | Does it push drugs too? |
| 16:04.21 | nevcairiel | usually git push origin master --tags does the track for what you had there |
| 16:04.23 | Adirelle | @repo, are you on drugs now ? |
| 16:04.39 | nevcairiel | trick* |
| 16:04.40 | Adirelle | nevcairiel, it wouldn't have deleted the old tags |
| 16:04.59 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r189 / (3 files in 1 directory): - Adding LibDBIcon-1.0 |
| 16:05.07 | Shefki | nevcairiel: --mirror is probably why it did it in one entry. |
| 16:05.14 | nevcairiel | yeah i guess |
| 16:05.50 | Adirelle | but as it seems Kaelten fixed the packager, I won't have to delete the old tags anymore |
| 16:06.49 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Rokiyo * r734 modules (4 files in 1 directory): - Unbreaking some modules that broke in r731 |
| 16:08.13 | Repo | 10squire2: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.0-beta-7-1-g7aa5b02 Squire2.lua: [+1 commit] Try to find something to do even indoors. |
| 16:08.34 | kromar5959 | where can i find all the Cvars for graphic options? |
| 16:10.55 | Gnarfoz | start wow with -console, open console (`), enter 'cvarlist', go through all of them |
| 16:11.38 | nevcairiel | or "help graphics" |
| 16:11.55 | nevcairiel | or was it gfx |
| 16:12.04 | nevcairiel | just help tells you the categorys :P |
| 16:12.07 | Gnarfoz | that shows gfx related console commands, not cvars |
| 16:12.20 | Gnarfoz | which might overlap, granted |
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| 16:19.22 | Megalon | banevado-Fisker |
| 16:20.05 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik 07cataclysm * r2934 / (3 files in 3 directories): I know, it sucks :D |
| 16:20.06 | Repo | - added Cookie to lootlist |
| 16:20.07 | Repo | - made a loottable for the entrance bosses in classicwow and integrated all into Atlas |
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| 16:21.36 | Fisk3r | naw Megalon |
| 16:21.51 | Fisk3r | moar like admin abuse evade-fiker |
| 16:21.53 | Fisk3r | fisker* |
| 16:24.59 | Megalon | you so tricky |
| 16:27.02 | kromar5959 | Gnarfoz: thanks for that info:D thats awesome |
| 16:27.36 | kromar5959 | Gnarfoz: can i scroll up in the console somehow? |
| 16:27.45 | Gnarfoz | page-up? |
| 16:27.59 | kromar5959 | Gnarfoz: thanks |
| 16:28.54 | kromar5959 | Gnarfoz: seems there are to many results to be listed, is it posible to print this to a file or so? |
| 16:29.32 | Gnarfoz | you can set... consolelines? or something to a higher number |
| 16:29.37 | Gnarfoz | > help console |
| 16:29.57 | Gnarfoz | there's an AppendToLog but it always gives me "access denied", so I'm out of ideas there |
| 16:30.46 | nevcairiel | you can make the console bigger with the mouse |
| 16:30.48 | nevcairiel | just drag it around |
| 16:30.51 | nevcairiel | but you cant dump to file |
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| 16:30.53 | Gnarfoz | huh, that's new :D |
| 16:31.01 | Gnarfoz | (but does the same thing I guess) |
| 16:33.03 | Pneumatus | anyone got any experience using multiple domains with google apps? |
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| 16:44.03 | kromar5959 | did spellEffectLevel got removed or renamed? |
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| 16:45.08 | lozon | hrm, my addon is being install in all lower case... |
| 16:45.44 | Stanzilla | lozon: check your .pkgmeta |
| 16:45.48 | Stanzilla | package-as i think |
| 16:45.48 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r190 / (4 files in 2 directories): - Adding LibDBIcon code |
| 16:45.50 | Repo | - Now managing situations where LDB and/or LibDBIcon are not available |
| 16:45.50 | lozon | would ## X-Curse-Project-ID have somethign to do with it? |
| 16:45.52 | Repo | - Adding corresponding locales |
| 16:45.52 | lozon | Stanzilla, ty |
| 16:45.53 | Repo | - Bugfix on frFR locale |
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| 16:47.09 | lozon | Stanzilla, the .pkgmeta only has externals for me |
| 16:47.12 | Pneumatus | yeh, package-as in .pkgmeta, or you can set it on the project via web |
| 16:47.37 | lozon | cool, thats what i was thinking too |
| 16:47.39 | Repo | 10shared-media-additional-fonts: 03pb_ee1 * r58 SharedMediaAdditionalFonts.toc: Updating TOC |
| 16:47.57 | lozon | i have lots of experience with svn, but not wowace yet ;) |
| 16:48.21 | Pneumatus | it's set on the repository edit page if you're not doing it in pkgmeta |
| 16:49.16 | lozon | tyvm, got it |
| 16:49.32 | lozon | how would I set that anyway, just package-as: EPGPWaitlist ? |
| 16:49.38 | Pneumatus | yer |
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| 16:50.41 | lozon | oh i see, curse client added variables to the toc, derp |
| 16:51.19 | Pneumatus | yeh, keep your working copy separate from the CC version :) |
| 16:51.48 | Pneumatus | it adds those TOC fields in to assist with the auto-detection and stuff i think |
| 16:52.16 | lozon | for sure! found that out when i did a commit with the libs, lol |
| 16:55.18 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r413 Buffs.lua: RaidBuffStatus: |
| 16:55.19 | Repo | - Disabled weapon checking by default until Blizz fix their inspectnotify throttling bug. |
| 16:56.27 | Repo | 10shared-media-additional-fonts: 03pb_ee1 * r59 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Removing useless embeds.xml |
| 16:56.28 | Repo | - Removing embeds.xml from TOC |
| 16:56.29 | Repo | - Bugfix: path to LibStub in TOC |
| 16:57.15 | lozon | Why doesn't Righteous Fury work with RBS anymore? |
| 16:57.56 | Repo | 10shared-media-additional-fonts: 03pb_ee1 041.0.5-release * r60 : Tagging as 1.0.5-release |
| 17:07.13 | Axodious | rbs? |
| 17:07.31 | lozon | raid buff status |
| 17:07.52 | Axodious | don't use that, can't help :( |
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| 17:17.15 | Repo | 10head-count-2: 03kagaro 07master * e63da9e / (5 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] More tracker updates, its almost to the point of working. it should now create log boss kills and loot, still need some work to start the initial raid and handle whispers. |
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| 17:21.26 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r191 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 17:21.29 | Repo | What about committing ALL files for a feature at the same time? xD Adding minimap option and icon registering code |
| 17:22.37 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r192 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 17:22.38 | Repo | Bugfixing void call to Copy window in text mode after calling BBCode one |
| 17:24.35 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07master * v1.5-beta-11.1 Defaults.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed ticket #97. |
| 17:24.41 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 04v1.5-beta-11.1 * d2f0049 /: [new tag] Tagging as "v1.5-beta-11.1". |
| 17:28.18 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r193 Locales/Locale-frFR.lua: adding and correcting missing frFR locale |
| 17:33.34 | pb_ee1 | How often is the full addon list of the curse client updated? |
| 17:33.50 | pb_ee1 | Can't see the 1.0.5-release on it of SharedMediaAdditionalFonts |
| 17:34.23 | pb_ee1 | However, it is already available on: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/shared-media-additional-fonts.aspx |
| 17:36.22 | Repo | 10baggins: 03profalbert 06ace3 * r496 Baggins.lua: improve looks of tooltip |
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| 17:38.20 | Repo | 10gnomeworks_bankitems (experimental): 03Whitetooth * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): - Initial Commit |
| 17:41.26 | Repo | 10gnomeworks_bankitems (experimental): 03Whitetooth * r3 .pkgmeta: - Add .pkgmeta |
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| 17:49.07 | lozon | AceDB doesn't have a guild subtable...booooooo |
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| 17:57.42 | Repo | 10gnomeworks_bankitems (experimental): 03Whitetooth * r4 GnomeWorks_BankItems.lua: - Don't show for Runeforging |
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| 17:58.39 | sylvanaar | Kaelten fixed the packager, what ... |
| 18:00.32 | lozon | does wow still use table.getn for gettign the table size? |
| 18:01.30 | nevcairiel | dont think it has for years |
| 18:01.36 | lozon | k, wasnt sure |
| 18:01.44 | lozon | ill just test #table |
| 18:01.46 | nevcairiel | #table |
| 18:01.50 | lozon | ;) |
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| 18:04.10 | lozon | is there any performance difference between table.remove(tabl, idx) and tabl[id] = nil ? |
| 18:04.40 | sylvanaar | yes, because the first one makes sure there are no holes |
| 18:05.15 | lozon | ah, if its keys are numeric |
| 18:05.45 | sylvanaar | thats the only kind of table it works on |
| 18:05.58 | Hati | is there no auth in cataclysm CE :o ? |
| 18:06.09 | lozon | tyvm, explains why i was using =nil on string key tables |
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| 18:21.26 | Shefki | function PaladinPowerBar_OnLoad (self) -- Disable rune frame if not a Warlock. |
| 18:21.30 | Shefki | ^ lol |
| 18:21.49 | Shefki | It can't decide is it for a DK Paladin or Warlock. |
| 18:22.04 | lozon | lmao |
| 18:22.09 | lozon | its a new heroic class |
| 18:22.28 | Shefki | Death Palilock. |
| 18:22.28 | lozon | well, its just all classes mashed into one |
| 18:22.33 | lozon | lol |
| 18:22.47 | Megalon | a DP lock |
| 18:22.56 | Megalon | sounds kinky, it probably is |
| 18:23.42 | Shefki | Control of the Undead, Demons and the Light. |
| 18:23.45 | Shefki | What more could you want. |
| 18:26.37 | Rokiyo | sounds suspiciously like the start of a backstory for your some RP character... "Yeah well my guy is an undead paladin with demonic influence!" |
| 18:27.00 | Rokiyo | s/your// |
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| 18:31.36 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar 074.0.1 * r218 / (7 files in 3 directories): FBagOfHolding: |
| 18:31.37 | Repo | - Added PropertyCollection class, which will handle registering item properties for the search and sorting engines. Added all standard properties back that were included in version 1. |
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| 18:35.26 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r735 modules (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 18:35.27 | Repo | - made class power counters continue to display as long as they're not full/empty (depending on the class) |
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| 18:44.38 | Repo | - Added Tooltips |
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| 19:13.30 | Repo | 10jebus-mail: 03jebus905 * r99 JebusMail.lua: JebusMail: |
| 19:13.31 | Repo | - Fixed bug with communication via aceComm |
| 19:14.13 | Repo | 10jebus-mail: 03jebus905 04v4.0.1c * r100 : JebusMail: |
| 19:14.14 | Repo | - Fixed bug with communication via aceComm |
| 19:14.21 | Repo | 10what-just-procced: 03Farmbuyer 04v1 * r3 : Tagging as v1 |
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| 19:52.11 | Repo | 10pass-loot: 03Odlaw * r117 / (25 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 19:52.13 | Repo | - Fixed error when it can't figure out what is being rolled on if it is told something is being rolled on. |
| 19:52.14 | Repo | - Modules changes: Will not save empty tables if they were not added to a rule. |
| 19:52.15 | Repo | - Options for skipping rules if a rule has a setting from a module that is disabled or obsolete. |
| 19:52.15 | Repo | - Option to clean disabled / obsolete module settings from rules in profile. |
| 19:53.01 | Repo | 10passloot_atlasloot: 03Odlaw * r11 AtlasLootWishList.lua: |
| 19:53.02 | Repo | Will no longer save variable information if we are not added to a rule. |
| 19:53.20 | Repo | 10passloot_itemscales: 03Odlaw * r4 Pawn.lua: |
| 19:53.21 | Repo | Will no longer save variable information if we are not added to a rule. |
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| 19:57.59 | Repo | 10gridstatusdirectionarrows: 03slaren * r2 / (113 files in 2 directories): - Initial commit |
| 19:58.15 | PProvost | Is there an API friendly way to set/increase the width of an AceGUI Frame's title frame? |
| 19:58.56 | Repo | 10gridstatusdirectionarrows: 03slaren * r3 GridStatusDirectionArrows.toc: - Fix .toc |
| 19:59.24 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r194 Core.lua: adding forcetimestamp to default saved conf (omission) |
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| 20:01.24 | vhaarr | PProvost: you're not supposed to touch it |
| 20:03.02 | PProvost | vhaarr: I know I'm not, but it is too narrow |
| 20:03.10 | PProvost | It doesn't seem to size to fit |
| 20:03.13 | Megalon | consider it as a minor |
| 20:03.16 | Megalon | do not touch it |
| 20:03.22 | Megalon | just pat on the back and hope it behaves |
| 20:03.48 | vhaarr | PProvost: try to make it size to fit and file a ticket, or file a ticket to get access to it through the API |
| 20:04.11 | PProvost | That's why I asked. Before I did that I wanted to see if there was already something and I was missing it. |
| 20:04.37 | lozon | why does AceDB store every single variable associated with my addon? is it because i named the savedvariables file the same as the addon's name? |
| 20:05.11 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r195 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 20:05.12 | Repo | - now checking if button frame exists before reseting position |
| 20:05.13 | Repo | - button is hidden and its position reset when doing a general reset of the addon |
| 20:05.14 | Repo | - now opening/refreshing options when reseting addon |
| 20:05.28 | Axodious | wow, i glance at irc and the first thing i see is "you're not suppose to touch it" "i know but it's too narrow" >_< |
| 20:05.45 | Yoshimo | has anyone ever thought about making a gridplugin that shows who is in position for beacon of light and light of the dawn spells? |
| 20:06.23 | vhaarr | lozon: yes, that would fuck up everything |
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| 20:06.46 | Hati | lozon: you mean your addon is named ie MyAddon and your SavedVariables/SVPerCharacter is MyAddon too ? |
| 20:07.03 | lozon | vhaarr, yup, just tested fine now, tyvm |
| 20:07.21 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r196 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 20:07.22 | Repo | - improving A LOT options display; should be much more straightforward |
| 20:07.23 | Repo | - adding associated locale |
| 20:07.24 | lozon | Hati, ya, its defined in the toc as ## SavedVariables: EPGPWaitlist |
| 20:07.28 | lozon | but i fixed it now, ty |
| 20:07.34 | Hati | just add DB :D |
| 20:07.40 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r197 icon.tga: New icon, yay! |
| 20:07.44 | lozon | Hati, exactly ;) |
| 20:09.47 | Hati | i should definitly write down changes i do ... to my files |
| 20:10.23 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r198 Options.lua: - 11, 12, 13? WTF? --> 1, 2, 3 |
| 20:10.24 | Repo | - Let's go for Beta, round 2! |
| 20:12.06 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 043.0.5-beta * r199 : Tagging as 3.0.5-beta |
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| 20:14.14 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.21-12-g4eddeac / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] fix updatefuncs and unithealth |
| 20:14.25 | Repo | 10gridstatusdirectionarrows: 03slaren 04v1.0-beta * r4 : Tagging as v1.0-beta |
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| 20:18.44 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.21-13-g87f9da8 Code/Triggers.lua: [+1 commit] execute update-functions again |
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| 20:52.29 | Torhal | PProvost: I already filed a ticket |
| 20:52.47 | Torhal | PProvost: nevcairiel said if he did anything at all, he'd make the title string truncate. |
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| 21:01.07 | PProvost | Torhal: so much for the Ace3 ideal of not being [[A "standard" which all authors must follow in order for their addon to work with Ace3.]] |
| 21:01.10 | PProvost | :D |
| 21:01.12 | PProvost | S' |
| 21:01.21 | PProvost | S'all good. I'll probably just not use AceGUI |
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| 21:01.25 | PProvost | Just wanted to try it out |
| 21:01.52 | PProvost | Having too hard a time getting it to do what I want, when it is so easy to do with standard API stuff |
| 21:05.48 | Repo | 10gridstatusdirectionarrows: 03slaren * r5 GridStatusDirectionArrows.lua: |
| 21:05.49 | Repo | - Removed color option, replaced by a opacity option instead |
| 21:05.50 | Repo | - Prevent the indicators from showing the icon border |
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| 21:10.14 | Repo | 10broker_whoroll: 03profalbert 07master * v1.1.0-6-g5beea30 .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] ignore scraper.lua |
| 21:10.36 | Repo | 10broker_whoroll: 03profalbert 04v1.2.0 * 0aebdbb /: [new tag] tag as v1.2.0 |
| 21:13.19 | Repo | 10epgpwaitlist: 03nicklozon * r9 / (7 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 21:13.20 | Repo | Created a configuration object with a Saved Variable (EPGPWaitlistDB) |
| 21:13.21 | Repo | Added alt rank configuration and modified code to use rank numbers. |
| 21:13.22 | Repo | Changed slash command from /wlp to /ewl. |
| 21:13.23 | Repo | Added usage text. |
| 21:13.40 | Repo | 10epgpwaitlist: 03nicklozon 040.2-a * r10 : Tagging as 0.2-a |
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| 21:17.10 | Adirelle | @project gridstatusdirectionarrows |
| 21:17.46 | Repo | Adirelle: http://www.wowace.com/addons/gridstatusdirectionarrows/. GridStatusDirectionArrows. Game: WoW. Status: Needs approval. slaren (Manager/Author). Updated: 10 minutes ago |
| 21:19.30 | Torhal | PProvost: AceGUI is really only useful for AceConfigDialog - I think it was mis-named, TBH |
| 21:19.47 | Torhal | Really only -easily- useful, I should say. |
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| 21:21.14 | nevcairiel | It is actually quite usable without, you should just not assume its a general purpose replacement for CreateFrame |
| 21:21.18 | nevcairiel | its for dialogs |
| 21:22.03 | lozon | LMAO, comment on wowace says my comment is "1 minute from now" lol |
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| 21:26.44 | Torhal | lozon: Sync your system clock and that goes away |
| 21:27.23 | nevcairiel | actually i think the server clock is a bit fast |
| 21:27.48 | lozon | ohhhh, javascript must grab local time? |
| 21:27.55 | Torhal | Yup. |
| 21:30.38 | Repo | 10gridstatusdirectionarrows: 03slaren 04v1.0-beta2 * r6 : Tagging as v1.0-beta2 |
| 21:32.21 | Megalon | or sync your flux capacitor |
| 21:32.24 | Megalon | one of the two |
| 21:33.31 | pb_ee1 | Finally... pretty much finished the Ace2 > Ace3 conversion of Elephant! |
| 21:33.35 | pb_ee1 | cheers himself. |
| 21:34.22 | pb_ee1 | Now everybody will love me during two days (all the ones updating it), and then everybody will forget me for the next ten years. At least. |
| 21:34.26 | pb_ee1 | cries. |
| 21:35.45 | Repo | 10recount: 03Elsia * r1142 Tracker.lua: |
| 21:35.46 | Repo | - Potential fix for the pet issues, it's a blizz bug which sends wrong flags for combat log events attributed to the pet after it died. Please test. |
| 21:50.06 | Fisker | i don't get it pb_ee1 |
| 21:50.21 | pb_ee1 | Nevermind, just saying bullshit anyway |
| 21:50.45 | Fisker | but what does it do? |
| 21:54.01 | Megalon | it remembers the days you made sense Fisker, that's why it has such a low memory footprint |
| 21:54.27 | Fisker | i always make sense Megalon |
| 21:54.48 | Fisker | it's just that i can speak a language no troll can understand |
| 21:54.54 | Fisker | it's called english |
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| 22:05.11 | pb_ee1 | No possibility in Grid to hide the default Blizzard frames yet? :) |
| 22:05.23 | nevcairiel | They said they wont do it |
| 22:05.35 | nevcairiel | you can hide the frames themself from that manager pullout |
| 22:05.40 | nevcairiel | there is a big hide button in there |
| 22:05.44 | nevcairiel | but you cant hide the manager |
| 22:05.53 | pb_ee1 | Hum... And what about parties? |
| 22:06.15 | nevcairiel | grid is a raid frame, why would it care about parties |
| 22:06.39 | pb_ee1 | Maybe cause it has some options to display itself when you're in a party |
| 22:06.39 | pb_ee1 | "Party layout" it's called even |
| 22:06.40 | pb_ee1 | AND |
| 22:06.49 | pb_ee1 | It's still better than Blizzard's UI for healer anyway |
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| 22:07.17 | nevcairiel | A good healer can heal with any unit frame, besides, their new compact raid frames are quite nice |
| 22:07.27 | pb_ee1 | No they're not |
| 22:07.41 | pb_ee1 | Typically you can't know who in the raid doesn't have a buff you can cast |
| 22:08.08 | pb_ee1 | You can't say that if you're a healer playing on an 15'' screen |
| 22:08.20 | pb_ee1 | And my needs aren't your needs either. |
| 22:08.23 | nevcairiel | my raid frames don't tell me that either, its way too annoying, there are other addons for that |
| 22:08.56 | nevcairiel | also, no addon can make playing on a 15" "fun" :) |
| 22:08.57 | Hati- | you are a healer ... it's mostly the job of the raidleader to check if all buffs are present |
| 22:09.09 | nevcairiel | that too ^ |
| 22:09.14 | Axodious | and now with buff homogenization if you don't have your buff on yourself, chances are everyone doesn't have it |
| 22:09.28 | nevcairiel | I played in the beta with the new default frames, and it went perfectly well |
| 22:09.34 | pb_ee1 | Well, you're way too much thinking that everybody is playing like you guys |
| 22:09.59 | Axodious | not to mention buffs cost like 0 mana <_< im a prot paladin and run around spamming kings in between trash packs |
| 22:10.06 | pb_ee1 | Cool |
| 22:10.25 | pb_ee1 | That's not what I call playing cleverly |
| 22:10.29 | nevcairiel | I always overwrite kings with my motw in 5mans, maybe i can make paladins learn to buff something useful |
| 22:10.39 | Axodious | lol |
| 22:10.41 | Hati | might |
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| 22:10.52 | Hati | enh shamans / dks don't get it from their own auras - doh |
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| 22:11.16 | Hati | and shamans are used to place healing stream in every spec |
| 22:11.53 | Axodious | besides, playing cleverly? whats not more clever than buffing everyone in between trash packs because idiots get themselves killed drooling at epeen-meters :P |
| 22:12.17 | nevcairiel | who cares what you do out of combat anyway |
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| 22:13.10 | Axodious | hmm why did i put not there, that doesnt make sense! >_> |
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| 22:27.57 | Hracken | zomg, minecraft update ;) |
| 22:30.00 | Megalon | PATCHLOGS????!!11 |
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| 23:25.21 | Repo | 10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.5.2.2 WhatsNew.txt: [+1 commit] - Updated WhatsNew.txt for 2.5.2.2 release |
| 23:25.37 | Repo | 10decursive: 03Archarodim 042.5.2.2 * 06bc764 /: [new tag] Tagging as 2.5.2.2 |
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| 23:36.19 | Repo | 0d9b873: Tweaks and stuff. |
| 23:36.21 | Repo | 8a04512: Totem bar moved. |
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| 23:57.08 | Archarodim | @Kaelten the packager is down again (too many open files) :'( |
| 23:57.31 | nevcairiel | he really needs to give us a restart button |
| 23:58.07 | Dark_Elf | mumbles |
| 23:58.10 | Megalon | yea, but EA style |
| 23:58.18 | Megalon | for 20k curse points in the store |
| 23:58.20 | Megalon | derp |
