IRC log for #wowace on 20101012

00:01.16ShefkiI guess this is the way I view it.  I didn't report any bugs with their default UI, becuase I didn't see any bugs.
00:01.30ShefkiI saw things I didn't like but they're largely a matter of configurability that they're never going to include.
00:01.46ShefkiSo to me there's no point in pointing out the things I didn't like because I'm going to replace it anyway.
00:01.46VonhintenI reported a pretty nasty bug with the hotbars
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00:02.09Vonhintenbut, I'll be replacing those with bartender
00:02.11ShefkiAbout the only UI bugs I saw were the issue with spell transformations and macros.
00:02.20ShefkiAnd the lifebloom thing.
00:02.32ShefkiAll of which were widely reported and would have impacted me default UI or not.
00:02.55ShefkiSo I'm just having a hard time believing that the people who use addons are going to give them valuable feedback.
00:05.27ShefkiThen there's stuff that you can't find out without scripts and addons.  Like Swift Rejuvenation being bugged and ignoring haste if you put 1/2 points in it.
00:05.54ShefkiWhich got discovered in early September.  Not long after addons were enabled.
00:06.11ShefkiIt's not been fixed and probably won't be for the release tomorrow unless the slip it in.
00:13.19TalrynIs there a maintained library that handles progress/timer-like bars or is that something I should code on my own?
00:14.12arkanesI used to use candybars, but as far as I know thats been transformed into a bigwigs specific library so I rolled my own for my new version
00:14.23vhaarryou are mistaken
00:14.39vhaarra library should never, obviously, be specific to any addon
00:15.25ShefkiPretty sure there's quite a bit of other things that use candybars.
00:15.26TalrynI've seen LibCandyBar-3.0.  Hasn't been updated in a while.  Focused on timer bars.
00:15.34vhaarrindeed, you can use that Talryn
00:15.39vhaarror not, whatever
00:15.46vhaarrbut it is not BW-specific
00:15.48ShefkiNot being updated doesn't mean it isn't maintianed.
00:15.58ShefkiLibraries tend to get to the point where there's not a lot to do to them.
00:16.08Mirrormnhrm, I just made my own timer bars
00:17.03TalrynWhat I want for now is a progress-like bar that counts down, more like a health bar.
00:17.14TalrynJust trying to re-use code if someone has something nice already done.
00:17.51ShefkiIt's not like statusbars are particularly hard to make.
00:18.55TalrynTrue, I may just code it.
00:19.22arkanesTalryn: if its not counting down time, whats it counting down?
00:19.52TalrynI'm playing around tracking the DK Blood Shield.  Although that has several issues besides the UI.
00:20.03arkanesthe regular status bar has easy ways to set the min/max/value
00:20.57arkanesI've been thinking about that same issue and I don't think that status bars is really the best way to present shields, because there's not really " max"
00:21.06TalrynProbably not
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00:21.18TalrynRight now I'm just looking at the actual mechanics
00:21.33TalrynI'm confused on how to really track absorbs in a raid environment
00:21.41arkanesits easy now, its in the combat log
00:21.44TalrynI don't see how you know which shield is being used.
00:21.59Mirrormnyou don't! that's fun of it
00:22.01ShefkiTracking absorbs is still far from trivial.
00:22.03arkanesthere's a parameter to SPELL_AURA_REFRESH that shows the current strength of the shield
00:22.22ShefkiThat's stacks.
00:22.27arkanesno
00:22.34arkanesthere's a new one
00:22.42TalrynI didn't see that
00:22.48TalrynYou're talking about the combat log event?
00:22.51arkanesyeah
00:23.06TalrynI guess I should grab a combat log event and look at it again
00:23.16ShefkiHe's talking about this:
00:23.17TalrynAlthough that only fires if you put up a shield again?
00:23.17Shefki* The SPELL_AURA_{APPLIED|REMOVED|REFRESH} events have an additional argument at the end called remainingPoints. This tracks the number of points left for buffs with charges.
00:23.26arkanesI'm not sure if its given for all shields, I was testing with the shield from my pally aura
00:23.32ShefkiWhich I don't think does what he thinks it odes.
00:23.42TalrynI don't get how that helps
00:23.46TalrynEven if it did
00:23.53arkaneswell unless it was some random number that just happened to match exactly the current strength of the shield i had
00:24.08TalrynIf I use Death Strike and get the Blood Shield, I can calculate the shield amount
00:24.19kagaroyou should be able to
00:24.23TalrynHowever, with each hit, all I see is SWING_MISS with ABSORB and the amount.
00:24.28arkanesright
00:24.32arkanesdon't look at those
00:24.32kagarowith 0 mastery 50% of DS heal amount
00:24.47Talrynthe REFRESH event doesn't fire unless I use DS before Blood Shield is gone
00:24.50Shefkiarkanes: Well if that really works the way you're saying it does that's a lot more useful than I expected.
00:25.00arkanesthe refresh event is fired when the shield takes damage
00:25.12TalrynHmm, I wasn't seeing that, let me check again
00:25.13arkanesShefki: like I said, I didn't test it for anything other than the pally mastery shield
00:25.28arkanesI'd guess that it will work with any shield that shows its strength in the tooltip, which is not all of them
00:26.07arkanesoh, I think I tested it on pw:s too
00:26.10TalrynYes, I don't see that in the combat log
00:26.14TalrynI have a shield up
00:26.19arkanesTalryn: does the DS shield aura tooltip show an amount?
00:26.21ShefkiTalryn: You testing on beta or PTR?
00:26.25TalrynI see SWING_MISS
00:26.27TalrynThis is beta
00:26.28ShefkiBecause he's talking about non-live changes.
00:26.45TalrynThe PTR is different?
00:26.54ShefkiI'd bet they only implemented it for healing shields.
00:26.59ShefkiNo.
00:27.03arkanespretty sure I checked it on the PTR
00:27.14TalrynMaybe I should check there too
00:27.22ShefkiAt least not in any appreciable way for what you're doing.
00:27.39TalrynBut I clearly see a SWING_MISS event that is an ABSORB and the amount.
00:27.53TalrynBut nothing else tells me about the remaining strength
00:27.53arkanesbut no refresh?
00:27.56TalrynNo
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00:28.12TalrynOn beta with Blood Shield, if you put up a new one, you get SPELL_AURA_APPLIED
00:28.16arkanesdoes the tooltip for the shield show an amount, and is that amount updated as you take damage?
00:28.22Connor1I'm not ready for my UI to break tomorrow.
00:28.24TalrynIf you recast before it goes away, ti's SPELL_AURA_REFRESH
00:28.34arkanesTalryn: yeah thats just normal aura mechanics
00:28.35Mirrormnhrm
00:28.37TalrynYes
00:28.42TalrynIt's how I expect it
00:28.50Mirrormnraiding with a broken UI is the most fun thing
00:29.08TalrynDS heals for 30% of the last 5 seconds worth of incoming damage, 10% health minimum
00:29.08Mirrormnespecially if you keep trying to redo settings and reintsall addons between bosses
00:29.13arkaneshmm I think I copied a premade DK let me check
00:29.15TalrynBased on mastery, you get so much of that as a shield
00:29.23TalrynSo while I know how big the shield should be
00:29.35TalrynI don't see a way to update the bar real time to show how much is left
00:29.44arkanesgraaah and beta died
00:29.48ShefkiThey're probably just trying to fix the issue with people not evaulating Disc Priests fairly but aren't worried about incidental shields for other non-healing classes.
00:30.02TalrynBecause right now I have to assume absorbed damage is going to my shield
00:30.04arkanesI know I saw a couple shields that it wasn't working for
00:30.14TalrynBut that doesn't help in a group if other shields can be on the DK
00:30.21TalrynI guess this is one of them
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00:30.54arkanesdoes it show the absorb amount in the tooltip?
00:31.05ShefkiTalryn: Unless you account for the shields you can.
00:31.12ShefkiAnd then guess about everything else.
00:31.15kagaroarkanes:  no
00:31.21TalrynYes, I could try to do that
00:31.26arkaneskagaro: that jibes with my theory, then
00:31.34kagarothe tooltip says noting
00:31.50TalrynThe tooltip for what?
00:31.52kagarolemme go double check
00:31.56TalrynDeath Strike or Blood Shield?
00:32.02kagaroblood shield
00:32.04TalrynBoth just give you the mechanics.  No values.
00:32.17TalrynI have a log from PTR I found
00:32.19TalrynSame thing
00:32.23TalrynNo REFRESH event
00:32.26kagaroTalryn:  can you send me the log?
00:32.36TalrynSure
00:32.50arkanesyeah I don't have an 80 DK, I can't check it
00:33.15arkanesbut I would suspect that if they don't have the tooltip value, you don't get the special mechanics
00:33.42TalrynWell, it's different.
00:33.46TalrynTooltip tells you a percent
00:33.49arkanesso you're back to guessing, although you can be a little more accurate by trying to correlate it with the shields you can track accurately
00:33.56Talrynand it is more complicated than that the Disc priest shield
00:34.14arkanesthe shields just 50% of the heal amount, right?
00:34.20TalrynIt varies
00:34.22arkanesmodified by mastery, of course
00:34.25TalrynBut I already know how to calculate it
00:34.27kagaroarkanes:  if you can deduce the event then can be 100% accurate since you know the exact value of hte shield at start
00:34.35TalrynThe problem is just figuring out how much is left
00:34.41kagarocorrect
00:35.12kagaroif you can figure out how much is left ill have a small shield tracker addon in no time
00:35.18arkaneskagaro: you'd have to grab the amount absorbed, wait some small amount of time and check for refreshes on any tracked shields, and then take whatever is unaccounted for and apply it to the blood shield
00:35.41kagaroi havent figured out yet though if the refresh adds to the shield or overwrite the values
00:35.43arkanesa little clunky, but not horrible
00:35.45Talrynkagaro: sent the log
00:36.01kagarogot it
00:36.33TalrynI guess I should test out how REFRESH works better then.
00:36.44TalrynI only thought it was if you're re-adding the aura
00:36.57arkanesit's sent any time the aura is modified
00:37.04TalrynMust be something that differentiates the old REFRESH from this newer one you're talking about
00:37.33TalrynI don't think a recast of Blood Shield resulted in a REFRESH even that showed a shield amount though
00:37.40arkanesit probably doesn't
00:37.50TalrynSince that would be useful too
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00:38.00TalrynPart of my work here is to understand the true underlying mechanics too
00:38.22arkanesyeh trying to figure out if its rolling or stacking or replacing or whatever will be clunky without being able to see the amount
00:38.38TalrynI also wanted to verify which heal amount the shield is based upon.
00:38.59TalrynThen there is the question of the DS heal it is based on.  Is that only damage taken?  Absorbs counted or no?
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00:39.50kagaroTalryn:  try a log capture only shield once to test if absords counts against it
00:40.10arkanesit'd be kinda tricky to set up
00:40.22Talrynkagaro: I'm not sure I follow
00:40.29TalrynI get the only use shield once part
00:40.34TalrynI meant what will that tell us
00:40.40kagaroDS once the entire fight to see which affects drop teh shield values in the log
00:41.03TalrynI've been fighting the Gyroworm things usually
00:41.09TalrynNot on PTR of course
00:41.12kagaropop AMS to absord some damage and see if it deducts form blood shield
00:41.15TalrynBut Blood Shield is only physical damage
00:41.46TalrynLet me see if I can find a good test for that
00:41.55kagaronot true
00:42.08kagaroyour shield in the log you sent me abosrbed a stop
00:42.17kagaroas a spell missed
00:42.20kagaronot swing missed
00:42.50kagaroor is knock back considered physical?
00:43.01arkanesits probably physical
00:43.15TalrynStomp
00:43.16arkanesSPELL_* events are anything thats not a melee swing
00:43.22TalrynI see it
00:43.37TalrynAnother fun thing
00:43.42kagaroso blood shield can cancel out a knockback?
00:43.55TalrynI think you're right.  Need to watch SPELL_MISS for physical possibly?
00:44.12TalrynIs that a spell damage type?
00:44.32TalrynYes, it is
00:44.40Talrynspellschool of type 0x1
00:44.47kagaroSPELL_DAMAGE,0xF15079A300026A19,"Pustulent Horror",0x10a48,0xF1306D71000296B2,"Bloodworm",0x2111,63546,"Stomp",0x1,163,-1,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
00:44.57TalrynStomp is a spell but it's type if physical
00:45.20kagarointeresting so the bloodshield can absorb a knockback
00:45.22TalrynI see you have multiple schools active too, wonder how that works...
00:45.37TalrynI don't know if it was just the damage or also the effect?
00:45.47kagarodid you get knocked back?
00:45.52kagaroor stunned
00:46.00TalrynI don't think so.  Yes, I think Stomp would be a stun.
00:46.04TalrynI don't recall being stunned.
00:46.19TalrynOh wait
00:46.26TalrynThat event is against the Bloodworm though
00:46.46kagaroyeah agsint you it was absorbed
00:47.25TalrynI need to verify but I bet the 0x1 after it is the school
00:47.41kagarostomp is not a knock back according tot he spell tooltip
00:47.50kagaroits an aoe physical attack
00:48.48kagarotry attacking the Pustulent Colossus it does have a knockback attack
00:49.09TalrynIt does look like that field should be the school so that makes sense
00:49.28kagaro0x1 is physical schol
00:49.59TalrynI'm using the wowwiki Combat Log API page, it may be out-of-date
00:50.42TalrynSchools are there but it isn't always clear or correct on the format for a given event
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00:58.25kagarowell in second log you lost the shield due to time running out
00:59.14Connor1So uh
00:59.21Connor1Shadowy Appirition sounds absolutely terrible
00:59.24kagaroso looks like overheal doesnt matter
00:59.28Connor1apparition
00:59.51kagarocause you shield absorbed 3k worth of damage but only healed you for 700
01:00.30VonhintenShadowy Apparition was awesome in early beta
01:00.33Vonhintenwhen it was broken
01:00.56TalrynThe shield often seem to go away before it is used since I'm not fighting anything that hits too hard.
01:01.03TalrynProbably need to do something a little tougher.
01:01.30kagaroyou setup for improved DS right?
01:02.10kagarod you have any mastery?
01:02.23kagarocause you absored 200 more damage than baseline shield should
01:03.07kagaroor its an edge case, if the last hit against you that drops the shield causes a miss, so you dont take overdamage
01:04.06TalrynI forgot I did some reforging a few days ago.  32 mastery rating.  8.7 mastery.
01:04.16kagaroahh ok so your getting more than 50%
01:04.29TalrynI do not have Imp DS
01:04.36TalrynI didn't have the glyph on me on PTR
01:04.46kagarogotcha
01:04.47TalrynHaven't been able to get someone to get one for me either
01:04.55kagaroso you just getting the base 10%
01:05.25TalrynAgainst these sorts of things, I'm only getting 10% of health usually for the heal.
01:05.36TalrynThe Blood Shield is based off that full amount.
01:05.44kagaroya
01:06.10TalrynOn beta, I'm clearly getting a Blood Shield based on a 10k heal even if there is overhealing with it.
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01:06.35kagaroit looks like it just ignores the overheal component and just uses the heal amount
01:07.57TalrynThat's what I think
01:08.07TalrynAlthough so far I'm only getting the 10% minimum heal
01:08.17TalrynI assume it will not change if I test with larger hits
01:08.37TalrynIf it was only what was healed, it would really weaken the shield anyway
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01:10.56kagaroso end result is the spell_aura_applied isnt passing the amount like it is for PW:S
01:11.10TalrynI haven't seen it.
01:11.26TalrynI checked on the refresh event if you re-apply and it tells you nothing
01:11.44TalrynAfter the standard parameters for an event, it just tells you it's Blood Shield and it's a buff
01:11.58TalrynSo unless they change something, you are just guessing at it.
01:12.21TalrynDo you know if AMS fires off the _REFRESH event to tell you the amount left.
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01:12.28kagarono idea
01:12.44TalrynI also noticed Skada doesn't track absorbs for the Blood Shield but a one line change fixes that.
01:13.54TalrynDo we know if Zarn is updating Skada for 4.0.1/Cata?
01:14.17ShefkiThought someone said he wasn't playing or updating anymore.
01:14.22ShefkiBut that could be wrong. *shrug*
01:14.30kagaroAMS does show the amount in the log
01:14.52TalrynI'm going to test that myself.
01:15.31kagaroarg13=75, arg14=28230 which is 50% of my health
01:15.53kagaroarg13 is the 75% ambsord rate
01:17.35ShefkiHmm someone told me that InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory was fixed.
01:17.47ShefkiBut my own testing shows it is not.
01:21.15YssarilShefki: whoever siad it probably didn't know what they where talking about :P
01:21.27kagarowhat the hel is Shadow's Fate spell?
01:21.34ShefkiYssaril: Guess not.
01:23.51TorhalShefki, Yssaril: I blame Ackis. Or pompy. Doesn't really matter.
01:24.18YssarilTorhal: i blame blizzard :P
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01:26.19Talrynkagaro: Ok, I see the AMS working.  I can see the _REFRESH event with the amount of the shield left and SPELL_DAMAGE event shows the damage and amount absorbed.
01:26.42kagaroya ams is working, so must be an oversight on blood shield
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01:30.40Yssarilis it ok to push 4.0 versions of addons now (do not work in 3.0) ?
01:30.56ShefkiYssaril: That still works in 3.0.x
01:31.03Vonhintengod I love pizza places...  "I'll have the blah for $16"  "ok sir, your total is $20.72"   huh?
01:31.25YssarilShefki: kk will resist the temptation to hit the push button :)
01:31.34ShefkiYssaril: It checks the toc version.
01:33.56Talrynkagaro: Maybe I'll post on the beta forums to suggest that they add it.
01:34.20kagarogood call
01:34.42kagaroanyone have a log of PW:S absording and how it looks now?
01:40.16TalrynOk, I made a post on it.  Hopefully they will add the event.
01:41.38kagaroyou might have titled it as a [Bug] since it was in teh changes thread it supposed to be there
01:42.10kagarofor all AURA_XXX events that have charges
01:42.13arkanesdon't expect a fix before 4.0.3, if then
01:42.41kagarono diff than spell interrrupt not firing according to 1 bug report
01:43.07Talrynkagaro: I changed it.  Is that better?
01:43.33kagaroya looks better
01:44.00kagarogonna go make some food
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02:08.24VonhintenI have no idea what to do with my gemming tomorrow
02:08.49Vonhintenlosing all 1400 of my ArP, and gaining a metric fucktonne of crit
02:09.57arkanesif you're a rogue, you regem to agi, agi/haste, or agi/hit, picking up all socket bonuses
02:10.07arkanesI expect that hunters & warriors do similar things
02:10.23quiescensor just don't bother changing anything
02:10.24quiescensnodnod
02:10.39arkanesso apparently I'm a retard who can't figure out how to make buffs work
02:10.45starlonno, change is good
02:10.53quiescenschange takes effort
02:10.58starlonand gold
02:11.01starlonbut it's worth it
02:11.07arkanesI've got a thing in the middle of my screen, and some invisible buff buttons, but I can't figure out how to make them actually work
02:11.37quiescenseffort
02:11.46arkaneshmm yes
02:12.26Vonhintenwhat makes you say to favor Agi?
02:13.04arkanesbest stat
02:13.11arkaneswhat else are you going to do, leave it as crit?
02:13.18Vonhintenhaste?
02:13.30Vonhintenhit?
02:13.54arkanesworth getting when you get a socket bonus, but not beating agi overall
02:14.26arkanescrit overall isn't very valuable to rogues, EJ is suggesting that you reforge to the white hit cap
02:14.36arkanesand then reforge to haste
02:14.42Vonhintenagi vs mastery
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02:15.08arkanesmasteries not that good for any rogue spec
02:15.25arkanesor so I've been reading, and that matches my intuition
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02:26.11TalrynAre most of you putting out releases with the new TOC now or waiting until the downtime?
02:28.43Repo10character-notes: 03talryn1 041.0 * r45 : Tagging as 1.0
02:28.48NechcknWe usually wait for the actual patch to hit, but many do so beforehand.  Sort of up to each person, Talryn.
02:29.47TalrynDoing it now seems appealing but I worry someone could download now and not have it work if they don't enable out-of-date addons.
02:31.00quiescensflip a coin
02:31.08NechcknMost users are at least semi-savvy and know about it... but you could always luck out and have some crazy download it and rampage.  =)
02:31.20starlonlol
02:31.29starlondownloads all your addons.
02:31.35starlonSee, some crazy did it
02:31.40quiescensdeletes starlon's addons
02:31.42Nechckn'zactly
02:31.44starloneek
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02:42.32SqueeGkagaro fix bankstack!
02:42.38SqueeGIt broke my mining bag T_T
02:43.31pompySqueeG: thats kemayo
02:43.42SqueeGi r sad!
02:44.03Torhalmv sad SqueeG
02:44.09SqueeGxD
02:44.12TorhalNow you're SqueeG
02:44.34SqueeGO_o
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02:47.47Parnicgot ~150 glyphs made and ready to put up for sale once the mats go up tomorrow :P
02:49.15Repo10breakables: 03Parnic * r37 Breakables.toc: - toc bump to 4.0
02:49.21Repo10repairbroker: 03Parnic * r45 RepairBroker.toc: - toc bump to 4.0
02:49.37Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r637 IceHUD.toc: - toc bump to 4.0
02:49.38Repo- removed LibHealComm-4.0 from OptionalDeps
02:49.43ShefkiAnyone know if zhCN is only used for the Chinese version of WoW and not the Taiwan version of WoW?
02:49.54VonhintenParnic, did something change with the borderlands addon?
02:50.07Parnicchange? how do you mean?
02:50.39Vonhintenfriend of mine grabbed it (I haven't yet), said there wasn't a new level cap, nor a free patch
02:51.04Parnicwe always said the level cap boost would come after that dlc
02:51.12Parnicit's in the works.
02:51.21Vonhintenoh, I thought the patch was before
02:51.30Parnicthere was a patch before the dlc, but it was intended to add support for the dlc
02:51.36Parnicwe're patching again later to raise the level cap :)
02:51.45Vonhintenah
02:52.04Parnicit's actually about a 2 week process to get a patch submitted and through certification with sony and microsoft. and it costs like 35k per platform to test and release one
02:52.08Parnicso we have to make sure we get it right :P
02:53.15VonhintenAh, now I know why all the hacks in CoD MW2 haven't been fixed... because Activision is a bunch of greedy fuck asswads
02:53.38Parnicwell certain exceptions are made for the likes of CoD as witnessed by their rapid patching right after mw2 came out
02:53.52Parnicbut that's possible too :P
02:55.14Vonhintenthat and infinity ward is all but dead
02:56.45VonhintenI'd be fucking embarrased to have my score charts topped by people with names like "iModToWin" with scores of -214billion...
02:56.51Vonhintenbut not Activision
02:56.56Parnicyay int max
02:57.00Vonhintenyep
02:58.08Parnici chuckled when i realized that int max was 10 characters long and started with 214...i live in dallas and 214 is an area code for the city :P
02:58.16Parnici haven't been brave enough to call and see who owns int max
03:03.25Vonhintenlol
03:03.44VonhintenIt's a modem in some DARPA building...
03:03.47Vonhintendon't do it man
03:05.08arkanespoof PTR is dead
03:05.24arkaneswell not yet I guess, just me locking up :P
03:16.56KemayoSqueeG: I will fix it, don't you fret.
03:17.44SqueeGyay! <3 kemayo
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03:31.42Galvinon the ptr anyone know how to hide the party frames and the control that sticks out on the left side of the screen?
03:35.43Repo10deus-vox-encounters: 03Shefki 07master * v503-1-gf6bdedc Core.lua: [+1 commit] Fix NPC ID detection for Chinese WoW and 4.0.x everywhere else.
03:36.01ShefkiGalvin: Yeah.
03:36.40Shefki<PROTECTED>
03:37.00Repo10bank-stack: 03Kemayo * r185 / (3 files in 1 directory):
03:37.01RepoFix stuff getting sorted out of profession bags. Optimize the order of events when profession bags are present, also.
03:37.02KemayoSqueeG: Okay, that should do it.
03:37.23ShefkiKemayo: Now go fix ALS. :P
03:37.25SqueeGwoot
03:37.28SqueeGlemme update it
03:37.53KemayoPfft, I don't even use ALS any more. :P
03:38.12ShefkiI'm gonna rewrite it eventually but not before tomorrow.
03:39.03KemayoI lost interest in it as the basic friends list got improved, mostly.
03:39.22KemayoOnce Blizzard added notes to the core my motivation went kaput.
03:39.33ShefkiI mostly still like the FuBar plugin.
03:39.58ShefkiBut yeah Blizzard's has gotten a lot better.
03:40.30arkanesbleh the line numbers I get from inside the secure frames lua and the stuff I extracted don't match up
03:40.57arkaneswell, I say "I" extracted, I mean the stuff I'm grabbing from tekkub
03:40.59KemayoI might reach a similar point with their quest tracker before too long as well.
03:41.10Shefkiarkanes: git checkout ptr
03:41.18Shefkior git checkout cat
03:41.43SqueeGkemayo: It's ALIVE! thanks :D
03:41.54arkanesShefki: hosted where?
03:42.17KemayoSqueeG: I keep forgetting to test with profession bags when I change things. None of my characters actually use them.
03:42.33ShefkiKemayo: Yeah I gave up on quest addons.  I'm happy enough with theirs.
03:42.48Shefkiarkanes: git hub
03:43.04SqueeGKemayo: I pretty much just use the mining one xD
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03:43.10Shefkiarkanes: http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source
03:43.20Shefkigit clone http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source.git
03:43.35arkanesI've got his ui-cataclysm branch
03:43.36ShefkiThen git checkout ptr or cat depending on which version you're on (they're slightly different)
03:44.31KemayoShefki: The rest of what my quest addons do I like. I just might stop writing my own quest tracker component, and start fixing up the blizzard one.
03:45.08KemayoIt just doesn't feel right if I don't hear "job done!" when I complete a quest.
03:46.19ShefkiKemayo: lol yeah I do miss that.
03:47.11arkanesanyway that seems to work Shefki so thanks
03:47.43Repo10deus-vox-encounters: 03Shefki 07master * v503-2-gb605121 Encounters/Northrend/Encounters.lua: [+1 commit] Halion (16): Add Enrage timer.
03:50.38Shefkiarkanes: np :)
03:53.54TalrynBetween Broker_SocialState and my addon Character Notes, I don't need ALS.  Is there anything else you would use ALS for besides the LDB of guild/friends and flexible character notes?
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04:05.21Parnicthat reminds me, is there any reason to keep x-compat and set it to 30300?
04:06.41YssarilParnic: nope
04:07.49Yssarilonly reason would be for chinese servers but you have no way to test against their servers to begin with so they should just chose the last version that worked
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04:11.35Repo10repairbroker: 03Parnic * r46 RepairBroker.toc: - removed x-compat
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04:28.00arkanesthats wierd
04:28.12arkaneshaving beacon on you causes UNIT_AURA to fire every few seconds for no apparent reason
04:30.19Slaymanisn't beacon that I heal you and someone else, maybe the event fires to check for secondary target change?
04:30.37arkanesits fired with unit = player
04:30.49arkanesbut yeah it's probably related to the hidden buff it applies in some way
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04:45.04Repo10breakables: 03Parnic 041.2 * r39 : Tagging as 1.2
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04:45.37Repo10repairbroker: 03Parnic 044.0.1 * r47 : Tagging as 4.0.1
04:48.02Slayman@info breakables
04:48.09Slayman~info breakables
04:48.13Parnic@describe breakables
04:48.15RepoParnic: http://www.wowace.com/addons/breakables/. Breakables. Tracks herbs/ore/items that can be broken into component pieces
04:48.25Slaymanthx Parnic
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04:48.29Parnicnp
04:48.59Repo10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone * r107 / (3 files in 1 directory): Fixing things for WoW 4.0.x
04:50.16Slaymanlol
04:50.26Slayman@describe surgeon-general
04:50.27RepoSlayman: http://www.wowace.com/addons/surgeon-general/. SurgeonGeneral. SurgeonGeneral
04:50.38Primersigh, I have an addon that's converting every invite I make into a raid
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04:51.02Slaymanfor what purpose? to never ever do 5mans again?
04:51.45PrimerI'm trying to find the addon that's doing it
04:51.54Primerwithout the half and half method, as that's too tedious
04:52.09VonhintenoRA?
04:52.12Slaymanpost a list, I have an Eye for culprits
04:52.24nebulathat only does it if you invite past 5 people
04:52.40Primerno, I invite one person, and it's converted instantly to a raid
04:53.15nebulanm, i think ora took out the auto convert awhile ago since it was kinda awkward
04:54.13nebulanop, disregard, definitely still does
04:54.45nebulaprimer, jes grep your addon dir for ConvertToRaid()
04:56.16Slaymanfor that you can now rent microparts of the amazon cloude, it'll give you a chance to finish it in time for your funeral
04:56.55pnormanbbedit did searches of my addons directory, including some git repos in a matter of seconds
04:57.48Parnicit would take more time to upload the addons to the cloud than grep them for a string :P
04:58.20SlaymanI was of course just kidding, do as nebula says maybe it reveals the bad apple
04:58.48Repo10better-quest: 03Kemayo * r181 modules/autotrack/autotrack.lua:
04:58.49RepoChange how the autotracking module works, so it goes off of POIs instead of scanning for zone names and subzone names.
04:58.59Parnicgotta love text. subtleties of sarcasm and whatnot are completely lost :)
04:59.34nebulanot if you just assume everyone is being sarcastic, makes conversation a lot more entertaining aswell
04:59.49Repo10better-quest: 03Kemayo * r182 BetterQuest.toc: TOC bump
04:59.50pnormanheh. my addons license gives a note that I plan to consider a license at some point and that I just give rights to redistribute a complete unmodified version of the addon
05:00.11pnormanTwo years later: I still haven't decided!
05:00.20Repo10broker_speed: 03Kemayo * r23 Broker_Speed.toc: TOC bump
05:00.31Parnic@describe broker_speed
05:00.36RepoParnic: http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_speed/. Broker_Speed. Speed plugin for any DataBroker display.
05:00.49Repo10dropthecheapestthing: 03Kemayo 07master * v3.5.3-4-ga747a09 DropTheCheapestThing.toc: [+1 commit] TOC bump
05:00.57Slaymando yourself and us (me!) a favor and go CC or gpl
05:01.15pnormanI can't go GPL, I use Ace3
05:02.12Repo10libquixote-2-0: 03Kemayo * r88 LibQuixote-2.0.toc: Okay, it's a lib, but I'm bumping the TOC anyway.
05:02.27Parnicway to go against the grain
05:02.27Repo10libsimpleframe-1-0: 03Kemayo * r52 LibSimpleFrame-1.0.toc: TOC bump
05:02.49Parnici suppose i'll have to switch to embedded for a while since i don't want to load out-of-date everything
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05:03.51pnormanI don't know if CC is compatible with the Ace3 license, I should check that
05:07.12TalrynWill GetTime() return the values used by the timestamp in the combat log?
05:08.26TalrynI want to make sure I'm using the best method if I want to compare the current time to a combat log event.
05:09.34Repo10questpointer: 03Kemayo 07master * v5-6-g70e3f15 QuestPointer.toc: [+2 commits]
05:09.35Repo70e3f15: Merge branch 'master' of git.wowace.com:wow/questpointer/mainline
05:09.36Repo8b356c7: TOC bump
05:10.33Repo10silver-dragon: 03Kemayo 07master * v2.3.4-10-g9299899 SilverDragon.toc: [+1 commit] Bump TOC
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05:24.26RepoMSaint's changes to avoid forcing frame creation if unnecessary.
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05:33.05RepoUpdate spell ids for 4.0
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05:35.35nebulaso the ace3 branch of grid is the 4.0 updated version, eh
05:36.19GreltokCorrect.
05:38.07nebulaits cool phanx and you have been working on it
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05:45.48GreltokWanted it to be ready for 4.0 release.
05:46.05GreltokIt's still a little rough, but serviceable.
05:46.16GreltokAnd we've had help from other fans who want to see it continue.
05:47.50ArrowmasterTalryn: no i think you want time()
05:48.00Slaymanhey come 4.0 rogue lvling with assasination any good?
05:48.38TalrynYes, that's what I'm using but it claims to not have millisecond resoltuion.
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05:56.30Repo*3.02.54 (12-OCT-2010) BETA 17-00-Cataclysm*
05:56.31Repo* fixed - item counts on tooltips for tokens
05:56.32Repo* fixed - backpack token display (cataclysm)
05:56.33Repo* fixed - editing rules
05:57.15VonhintenDoes the background downloader have anything to download at the moment?
05:57.22VonhintenMine is just sitting here at "Waiting..."
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06:01.54rljohnanyone know the new ##interface offhand
06:02.21sbu~toc
06:02.21purltoc is probably The current WoW Interface Number is: 30300
06:02.22nebula40000
06:02.24sbumhpf
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06:07.18RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/raid_checklist/. RaidChecklist. Anyia3 (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal.
06:09.02RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libstatspane-1-0/. LibStatsPane-1.0. Whitetooth (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal.
06:09.07RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/extraspellalert/. ExtraSpellAlert. pigmonkey (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal.
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06:15.22orionshockVonhinten, when it does that you need to close it and reopen it
06:15.31orionshockbasically it's waiting for the wow files to close
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06:19.36rljohnthanks
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06:20.15Repo7c32346: update Toc
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06:22.40Repo10goblinvendorfilter: 03yssaril 04v1.0.1 * 8557c70 /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.0.1
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06:25.42Repo10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 04v1.1.0 * f9d584b /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.1.0
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06:26.19Repof134fc4: make LibMounts an opt deps
06:26.20Repoea62b36: bumb toc
06:26.24Repo6344e9a: somewhat ugly hack to get this working with 4.0 (simply shove all mounts to their max speed assume we have max speed skill (since it doesnt really matter anymore)) also move to LibMounts-1.0 for mount type selection (this will play a much bigger roll in Mounted 3)
06:26.29Repo10mounted: 03yssaril 06cata 04v2.2.0 * e83d466 /: [new tag] Tagging as v2.2.0
06:26.58Repo10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * v4.0.0-beta11-33-ga4b3305 / (40 files in 38 directories): [+2 commits]
06:26.59Repoa4b3305: TOC Bumpage for 4.0.1.
06:27.00Repo721f974: Commit forgotten .pkgmeta and modules.xml for new VisualHeal module.
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06:43.26Repo*3.02.54 (12-OCT-2010) BETA 17-00-Cataclysm*
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06:43.28Repo* fixed - backpack token display (cataclysm)
06:43.29Repo* fixed - editing rules
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06:48.17Repo0300463: removing 1.3-2.0 upgrade path file (if you are still using 1.3 tough luck)
06:48.34Repo10mounted: 03yssaril 04v2.2.0 * 6ee95f5 /: [new tag] Tagging as v2.2.0
06:51.12pompygood job breaking the packager Yssaril
06:51.22Yssarilsomeone had to :P
06:51.28Galvinhow do you break the packager?
06:51.33Yssarilno clue
06:51.38Yssarilhttp://www.wowace.com/packager/
06:51.40pompyOSError: [Errno 24] Too many open files
06:52.12Galvinprobbaly a million addon authors updating their addons at last minute overloaded the server?
06:52.23YssarilKaelten: i blew up the packager
06:52.23pompyno, its his addon
06:52.45Galvinwell then thats quite impressive :)
06:53.11Yssarilthe packager doesnt handle cloned git repos correctly it recreates every single tag every time you commit
06:56.27Yssariljust noticed the packager didn't crash its just trying and failing on the same thing OVER AND OVER again
07:06.16PrimerSo what's the new TOC?
07:06.21Primer@toc
07:06.27Yssarilover 9000
07:06.27rljohn~toc
07:06.28purlhmm... toc is The current WoW Interface Number is: 30300
07:06.34Primerno, the new one
07:06.39Yssaril40000 works
07:06.42rljohnbut the 4.0 one is 40000 apparently
07:06.51Nivbooo
07:06.57Nivdamn ontime restarts
07:06.59Nivno H-Lk tonight
07:07.30TalrynSo the packager is not working right now?
07:07.53YssarilTalryn: nope i broke it
07:08.01TalrynCongrats
07:08.15TalrynOk, guess I should wait before doing more commits
07:08.21rljohnstayed up like an extra 2 hours to finish this b4 tomorrow
07:08.22rljohnand you broke it
07:08.28rljohnbrb fuuu comic
07:08.33YssarilTalryn: naw jsut commit it will package it up when they fix it
07:08.51YssarilOSError: [Errno 24] Too many open files :P
07:10.50TalrynOk.  I wasn't sure if it would still queue it up.
07:11.05Yssarilit should
07:11.27Repo10guild-search: 03talryn1 040.4 * r19 : Tagging as 0.4.
07:11.46Yssarilthere it queued up :)
07:12.00Repo10peace-and-quiet: 03talryn1 040.3 * r8 : Tagging as 0.3
07:12.20Repo10friend-notes: 03talryn1 040.2 * r9 : Tagging as 0.2
07:12.38TalrynToo bad it will not update wowinterface.com for me too.
07:13.08Repo10mrtrader: 03kolenka * r162 Changelog.txt: Updating for 0.6
07:13.55Repo10mrtrader: 03kolenka 04v0.6 * r163 : Tagging as v0.6
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07:19.09Yssarilalright good night guys (hope everything is back up in the morning)
07:20.25Repo10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r313 / (3 files in 1 directory): Update TOC to patch 4.0.1
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07:21.44TalrynThe combat log written to the disk should match the combat log events correct?  Including the timestamp values?
07:22.42profalbertnot exactly
07:22.47ccKepone would think so
07:22.50Repo10direction-arrow: 03Barfolomeu * r31 / (5 files in 1 directory): Add support for LibMapData. Update TOC for patch 4.0.1.
07:23.00Repo10direction-arrow: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.0.10-beta * r32 : Tagging as v0.0.10-beta
07:23.00profalbertI think ingame it uses the time since first starting the game
07:23.05profalbertlike returned by GetTime()
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07:23.26TalrynWhat is the difference then between time() and GetTime(), besides the milliseconds?
07:23.39Talrynand what are the timestamps recorded in the combat log file then?
07:24.20profalberttime() returns the actual date, while GetTime() only the time since starting the game (which is often enough)
07:24.34profalbertthe file contains the actual time though
07:24.39TalrynOk
07:24.40profalbert12/6 22:49:49.373  
07:25.25TalrynTrying to do some calculations to determine the damage in the last 5 seconds for the DK Death Strike but sometimes my prediction is wrong.
07:26.47NeoTronso toc bumping time? :P
07:29.51asmodaisylvanaar!
07:31.17profalbertUS-servers up?
07:31.44Repo10liblogger-1-0: 03dhedbor * r36 LibLogger-1.0.toc: toc bump
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07:32.29Xinhuandown
07:34.46SlaymanScribes the Real Estate Vendors of WoW
07:35.41asmodaixin!
07:35.51asmodaioh hey
07:36.05asmodaiamazon.co.uk no longer doing shipping costs to 13 EU countries
07:36.14asmodainow that is becoming interesting
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07:40.58Repo10magicrunes: 03dhedbor * r73 / (3 files in 3 directories): toc bump
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07:42.19NeoTronthink that's it...
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07:44.25NeoTronpackager offline? :P
07:45.30NeoTronseems like it's borked on mounted/cata/
07:51.23Repo10mtarget: 03gameldar * r61 / (2 files in 1 directory): Update the version numbers now that 4.0.1 is upon us!
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08:00.15Repo10mtarget: 03gameldar 04v4.0.1 * r62 : Creating the 4.0.1 release.
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08:03.02Repo10yata: 03kaytikat 044.0b1 * r106 : Tagging for 4.0.1
08:04.46asmodaidamn, but that DC Universe cinematic trailer is looking schweet
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08:06.53Slaymanthe future LEx one?`yeah that gave me a nerdgasm
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08:11.24Repo10grid: 03Phanx 07ace3 * r1353 / (5 files in 1 directory): - Added Clique to optional dependencies
08:11.25Repo- Removed XML click-cast template since it's included in Clique now
08:11.26Repo- More options layout tweaks
08:11.37Repo10bank-items: 03Xinhuan * r155 BankItems.lua: Upgrade all saved data to Cataclysm itemlinks.
08:11.38RepoConvert all the radio checkmarks back to checkmarks in Cataclysm in dropdown menus.
08:12.14Repo10mtarget: 03gameldar * r63 MTarget.toc:
08:12.15RepoReverting back to 3.3 and making use of the X-Compatible-With since it wasn't building automatically.
08:13.04NeoTronasmodai: the trailer is awesome. but of course it's not how the game will be :P
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08:15.21Repo10bank-items: 03Xinhuan * r156 / (2 files in 1 directory): Update version to 40000.
08:16.16Repo10mtarget: 03gameldar 04v4.0.1a * r64 :
08:16.17RepoCreating another release using the X-Compatible-With instead of actually updating the version info...
08:16.48RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/extraspellalert/. ExtraSpellAlert. pigmonkey (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
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08:23.34PrimerSo what's the story with the packager?
08:24.10PrimerShould we be using X-Compatible-With instead of Interface?
08:24.20PrimerIn addition to, that is
08:26.08XinhuanThere has been an unexpected error with the Curse Network back end servers. This is probably temporary issue and will be corrected as fast as possible.
08:26.10Xinhuanhoho
08:26.52Xinhuanthats on trying to access http://forums.wowace.com/index.php
08:29.03Slaymanit may be high load related patch and all
08:32.58Repo10mtarget: 03gameldar 04v4.0.1b * r65 : Tagging as v4.0.1b
08:35.45Repo10raid_checklist (experimental): 03Anyia3 * r2 / (8 files in 1 directory): * Importing work-in-progress copy of RaidChecklist.
08:35.46RepoSpec-based detection of (de)buffs seems to mostly work.
08:35.47RepoPet-provided (de)buffs not yet supported.
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08:41.01nev-mobileKaelten: packager is having some serious issues
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08:42.27Repo10bank-items: 03Xinhuan * r157 BankItems.lua: Stop recording currency information for now.
08:45.05asmodainev!
08:45.52nev-mobileSup
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08:48.22Repo10pokedex: 03stencil * r83 Pokedex.toc: updated toc number
08:49.25Repo10repheaderremember: 03stencil * r30 / (2 files in 1 directory): toc number updated
08:51.26nev-mobileIf anyone sees kaelten or ckk, take this 2 by 4 and whack them to fix the packager
08:52.29evlEverytime i peek in here the packager has problems, who has given it HIV, has it had monkey sex?
08:52.37nev-mobileSomething is eating up all file handles on the server
08:52.47evlthat would explain the monkeys
08:52.52nev-mobileSo it cant run because it cant open files
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08:54.47asmodainev-mobile: nothing much - aside from work
08:55.12mitch0lsof :)
08:55.28nev-mobileI dont have access
08:55.53mitch0use the ssh exploit that trinity used!
08:55.55nev-mobileAlthough they really should give me access, its always down when they sleep. :0
08:56.26nev-mobileThat hasnt worked for years. :(
08:56.54nev-mobileI r bored
08:57.32TorhalI notified both ckk and Kaelten...but as nev-mobile said, they're likely asleep.
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08:57.40TorhalI wish I still was. Two hours is shite.
08:58.02nev-mobileI am supposed to work against a webservice right now, but i found a flaw in the service, and until thats fixed, i'm twiddling my thumbs. X.x
08:58.17asmodaiNeoTron: you didn't see the sewer walkthrough vids?
08:58.50mitch0someone should ping arrow to tag libjostle
08:58.57Torhalnev-mobile: Fix my AceGUI ticket if you're that bored...:D
08:59.14mitch0or, phrased it another way: could someone ping arrowmaster to tag libjostle? :)
08:59.26nev-mobileYou wouldnt like my fix anyway
08:59.36TorhalOho?
08:59.57TorhalArrowmaster: This is someone, telling you to do mitch0's bidding. That is all.
09:00.01nev-mobileI would cut the text off instead of changing texture size. :p
09:00.09TorhalHah
09:00.29mitch0nev: implement AnyDown in BT in a sane way (that is: use AnyUp if not locked, otherwise use AnyDown if it's selected in options :)
09:00.51nev-mobileHm nah
09:01.02nev-mobileAnydown is overrated
09:01.11mitch0(dunno if it's possible at all without a reload)
09:01.20nev-mobileIt is
09:01.24nev-mobileI think
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09:03.08nev-mobileBesides, i dont have ssh or svn access from my workstation. :(
09:03.11SlaymanI found who broke the packager: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olm7xC-gBMY
09:03.13mitch0would you apply a patch if I got bored enough to do it? (possibly without the gui part, so only I would set it via /run or somesuch if you prefer that)
09:03.16Slaymanit was given a headshot
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09:05.45nev-mobileHm this phone app needs nick autocomplete
09:05.50nev-mobileN
09:05.56nev-mobileWoops
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09:18.17Repo10bank-items: 03Xinhuan * r158 BankItems.lua:
09:18.18RepoAdd "/bi open charname" and "/bi charname" command to open the bank of desired character on the same server.
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09:25.29Repo10squire2: 03Adirelle 07master * f56ee29 / (9 files in 2 directories): [new, +11 commits] (7 truncated)
09:25.30Repof56ee29: Fixed .pkgmeta.
09:25.31Repod7c5861: Set up Wowace packaging.
09:25.32Repo9064018: Added a README file.
09:25.33Repo3a8a672: Properly use LibMounts-1.0.
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09:33.47fakehIs there some other way to cancel auras other than SecureActionButton SetAttribute('cancelaura')? Something a bit more dynamic?
09:34.36Slaymanyou may FADC that aura ... (that was bad I know
09:36.40fakehI'm going to try it
09:36.55nev-mobileIts not dynamic on purpose, fwiw
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09:39.22fakehSo there's zero way to add right click cancelling unless you know the buff name before combat?
09:39.53nev-mobileUse the aura header
09:40.41nev-mobileBut yes, they want buff canceling to not be automated
09:41.36ramozprolly not a good idea to update today if youre in eu? :O
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09:42.06nev-mobileProbably not
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09:45.21orionshockmorning all
09:52.42sbu~wowalert
09:52.42purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
09:52.43sbumorning
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09:58.55nev-mobileMm lunch soon
09:59.08nev-mobileI should go home early today
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10:00.20Repo10omen-threat-meter: 03Xinhuan 07master * v3.0.9-3-g6f38b5a / (2 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits]
10:00.21Repo6f38b5a: Update Interface to 40000. Update Omen's version from 3.0.9 to 3.0.10.
10:00.22Repo3716051: Remove the Warrior FAQ as it is now outdated information in Cataclysm.
10:00.23Repo2623c14: Make the menu items in the right click menu use checkboxes instead of radio buttons in Cataclysm.
10:03.21Repo10omen-threat-meter: 03Xinhuan 04v3.0.10 * b1245e0 /: [new tag] Tag release v3.0.10
10:05.00orionshockgrr.... so i acedentially uninstalled the networking stack on ubuntu... ( more like the magic scripts that make the webernets work) >.> now im stuck reinstalling shit
10:05.46nev-mobileHow do you manage that?
10:06.15orionshocksomething to do with bluetooth trying to uninstall & pulling out various parts of gnome
10:06.34Xinhuanpackager still broken right?
10:06.48nev-mobileAlso, as long as you have ipconfig and route, you can setup your connection manually and then use teh webs to grab the package you need to fix it
10:07.17orionshocknev-mobile, it was one of those.. click-click-borked ????   moments
10:07.29orionshocki don't know what i uninstalled that did it
10:08.04orionshockluckly tho... i backed up 90% of my ~/ dir ... so it's not a complete loss
10:09.32nev-mobileSo apparently agUF still worked up until now, and now people come out of the woodwork crying about its demise
10:09.49nev-mobileI didnt think it still worked. :p
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10:15.09vhaarroh yeah, people have been asking about it since beta launched :P
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10:15.28vhaarrI seem to remember someone committing fixes, but maybe I was dreaming
10:15.31Killmoredamn, need to go to work in few minutes, why we cant start update it yet :(
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10:18.28Repo10postal: 03Xinhuan * r303 Modules (2 files in 1 directory):
10:18.29RepoIn OpenAll and Select modules, when your bag space is nearly reaching the Keep Free Space setting (1 free above it), Postal will now slow down opening mails to 1 second (if opening speed is below 1 second) to avoid opening mails too quickly and thus avoid going below the Keep Free Space setting.
10:19.37Repo10green-range: 03Morsker * r4 GreenRange.toc: toc bump, 40000
10:22.44Repo10postal: 03Xinhuan * r304 Postal.lua: Update my current server's name in the Help.
10:23.33Repo10postal: 03Xinhuan * r305 Postal.toc: Update TOC interface to 40000, version to 3.4.1.
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10:46.58orionshock... well mostly back to normal... just got to wait for battle.net to come back up so i can grab the online installer
10:52.12fakehIs there any way to propagate a click so that it also clicks parent frames? Specifically I want a SecureActionButton that hides itself when clicked. Maybe there's a better way but the way I came up with was to partner it with a SecureHandlerClick somehow.
10:53.38arkanesfakeh: can't do it, you have to use the header instead
10:54.02arkaneswent down that path myself last night
10:54.22fakehbah
10:55.18fakehHow do you mean use the header though? It can't do things that SecureActionButton can
10:57.45arkanesthe header creates the buttons for you, you provide it with a template
10:58.43Repo10postal: 03Xinhuan * r306 Modules (2 files in 1 directory):
10:58.44RepoDon't slow down opening mails even when inventory is nearly full when looting gold from mails.
10:58.51Repo10dualspeccer: 03Jeffrey0 07cataclysm * r19 DualSpeccer.lua:
10:58.52RepoAdd isNotRadio/notCheckable to menu items and fixed a bug I introduced when renaming stuff.
11:01.09arkanesfakeh: I have some almost-working stuff at https://bitbucket.org/arkanes/kbf/src
11:01.45arkanesit's mixed in with a lot of false stats I haven't cleaned out yet though :P
11:02.34fakehThanks a lot
11:03.02fakehYou probably guessed, but I'm also CancelAuraing :P
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11:07.43nev-mobileIts a whitetooth invasion
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11:09.27arkanespshaw, realms down but no update yet
11:10.08nev-mobileThe last part is only 100mbish anyway
11:10.28arkanesyeah I just wanted it to go before I went to work
11:10.45nev-mobileAnd still..8? hours to go
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11:27.41Repo10postal: 03Xinhuan * r307 Modules (2 files in 1 directory):
11:27.42RepoIf your inventory is full, OpenAll and Select modules will now loot any items that can combine with any partial stacks in your bags instead of skipping them.
11:37.16Slaymanit's 1337 o'clock
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11:38.51Repo10dualspeccer: 03Jeffrey0 * r20 / (2 files in 1 directory): Merge cataclysm branch.
11:42.46arkanes"My brother's, sister's, cousin's, roommate knows a guy who has a Thori'dal. He's super angry that it's no longer relevant or useful due to the ammo change."
11:43.00Repo10big-brother: 03oscarucb * r238 BigBrother.toc: update toc
11:43.55sbuso you are angry, right?
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11:52.49SlaymanI know a Hunter that paid 1000Gold in CLASSIC for that supersupreme quiver with that dragon sinew thingy, you know back when 1000g was actually a lot of dough
11:52.56Slaymanhe's pissed now
11:54.24Repo10raid_checklist (experimental): 03Anyia3 * r3 / (7 files in 1 directory):  (Message trimmed by 2 lines)
11:54.36Repo* Tentative pet detection support. Needs testing in group/raid, but the
11:54.37Repobattlegrounds are down on the PTR, and all the main realms are down for
11:54.38Repomaintenance - argh.
11:54.39RepoProperly detects and maps (de)buffs for player pet at least. :)
11:55.16evlSlayman: Guess he wasn't ready for CataObama© Change™
11:55.39Slaymanactually he quit about 2 years ago :D
11:55.45Slaymanyes he can
11:56.13Slaymanbut to my defense he's still pissed about everything wowrelated
11:56.29KalrothHe's a hunter though, so it's okay
11:56.49Slayman:D
11:57.18nev-mobileBack in classic we managed to convince a hunter that his class was going to be removed, and he was seriously wondering what to play instead
11:57.25nev-mobileThey are not a smart bunch
11:57.37Slaymanyou know that website from which you can commandeer some gun and shot animals? he wasn't pissed about that, only that he would have to pay to kill animals got him riled up
12:00.16SunTsuMy favorite hunter was the one who was doing 600dps in Ahn heroic, who responded to "I did more than that with my hunter back in Karazhan" with "Well, this isn't Karazhan, this is only a heroic!"
12:01.16TorhalI liked the hunter during TBC that dropped snake trap constantly.
12:01.17TorhalWipefest.
12:01.20Slayman^^ I did more then 600 dps while lvling in some crapass dungeon while I forgot to switch off viper
12:01.52SunTsuI still wonder how he managed to do 600dps, though
12:02.09nev-mobileMelee auto attack
12:02.13Slaymandoesnt lvl 80 autoshotting do more?
12:02.31nev-mobileThats why melee!
12:02.48Slaymanhe was a very very smart fail-ter then
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12:03.28SunTsuNo, he was not meleeing. Though, back in my old guild there was a hunter who did SteamVault as melee
12:04.21SunTsuA few weeks later he said "We hunters" on TS, to which a guildie responded "No, I am a hunter, you only carry a gun"
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12:12.33Repo10raid_checklist (experimental): 03Anyia3 * r4 providers.lua:  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
12:12.34Repo* Update the display as soon as we become aware of a new player/unit.
12:12.35RepoEven though we don't get the talent tree information until within inspect
12:12.36Reporange (or via the addon comms), we can at least update the status of
12:12.37Repo(de)buffs that are provided by that class.
12:12.51Slaymanwhat was that hilarious youtube vid of that easteuropean pop artist? I forgot it was friggin awesome
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14:18.30*** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://paste.wowace.com | http://twitter.com/WowAcecom | http://lua.org | Curse Client v4: http://www.curse.com/client | WoWInterface Minion: http://minion.mmoui.com/ | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23 | AddOns are enabled in Cataclysm Beta!
14:19.21mitch0did anything change in AceDB recently? something that could bork saved vars?
14:22.20Repo10reflux: 03kagaro 041.10 * r49 : Tagging as 1.10
14:22.35Repo10lucky-charms: 03kagaro 04v1.04 * r37 : Tagging as v1.04
14:22.58Repo10libmapdata-1-0: 03kagaro 040.09-release * r62 : Tagging as 0.09-release
14:24.10Repo10kg-panels: 03kagaro 041.5.4 * r381 : Tagging as 1.5.4
14:26.14jnwhitehmitch0: not that I'm aware of it's been pretty stable.
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14:32.25Slaymanman major patches are all kinds of crazy, I'd like to see the site stats from WoWi and curse once a week has passed
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14:41.00Repo10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander * r219 LibLordFarlander-SpecialEvents-Skill-4.0/LibLordFarlander-SpecialEvents-Skill-4.0.lua: LibLordFarlander-2.0:
14:41.01Repo- Removed unneeded achievement event registration
14:42.16Repo10coconuts: 03LordFarlander 043.0.221 * r221 : Tagging as 3.0.221
14:44.23Repo10postal: 03Xinhuan * r308 Modules (2 files in 1 directory):
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14:44.25RepoDon't slow down checking mails to open after reaching "inventory full" status.
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14:45.19Parnic|Workpoor wowace.com
14:46.30arkanes_yeah everything is going to be getting hammered
14:47.44ulicso much for all the new hardware :)
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14:53.37Kaeltenna that one was my fault
14:53.42Kaeltenits ok now
14:56.01asmodaihands Kaelten a cookie
14:56.54Parnic|Workyay
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14:58.37KazieIs Omen and recount still the leading addons of their kind? anyone know this? .. Possible alternatives maybe?
14:58.59TalrynSkada is a very good damage meter
14:59.16KazieOn par with Recount?
14:59.36KazieI have been away for like 5 months so i know like... squad about the current state of addons :P
14:59.43genetik-yes
14:59.47TalrynI prefer Skada
14:59.56rljohni also prefer skada, i have 2 frames open usually, 1 for damage, 1 for threat
15:00.04nebulai switched from recount to skada awhile ago, recount was whoring memory like whoa
15:00.12KazieOh so Skada is both a Threat meter and a Damage meter?
15:00.27rljohnit has a threat module yeah
15:00.32TalrynOmen is good although some damage meters have options to show threat now, although Omen still is nicer in its display of the data.
15:00.32nebulaseveral modules that you can enable/disable
15:00.33rljohnYou can create multiple frames
15:00.52Kazienice stuff.
15:00.54rljohnwith the rate our guild fails at mechanics, I should open a 3rd frame and just leave it on Deaths
15:00.59KazieI should try that then :)
15:01.10Kazierljohn: lol good one :)
15:01.26rljohnspeaking of which, it only shows 1 death per fight unless I understand incorrectly
15:01.39rljohnso the noobs who get Brez'd and die twice, I have to look at WoL to see how they fucked up twice
15:01.43Kaziereminds me that i once had a Karazhan "fun" run 4 o'clock in the morning during TBC.. i ended up having 34 deaths before Curator :D We had fun.
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15:01.54nebulathe recount death log was a bit better, yea
15:02.15KazieWoL?
15:02.18rljohnworld of logs
15:02.20TalrynThere are dedicated death log trackers like Acheron
15:02.24Xinhuanomen uses next to no cpu though :)
15:02.34nebulayea, i use one called obituary
15:02.36Xinhuanand only 230k stable ram!
15:02.45Xinhuan(after disembedding)
15:02.52rljohnis Skada's threat tracker CPU intensive? I never checked >.>
15:03.00Xinhuani don't know actually
15:03.11TalrynI doubt it uses much more than Omen?
15:03.12Xinhuanbut it has significantly less options for customization
15:03.24TalrynSince they all just poll the threat API and display it.
15:03.32Xinhuanstuff like changing backgrounds, forgrunds, class colors, tank color, pet color and the link
15:03.34Xinhuanlike*
15:03.36nebulapolling is in the past!
15:03.38rljohnI just like seeing where I am relaive to the tank, only feature I tend to use
15:03.38TalrynYes, Omen is better for threat than Skada's threat mode
15:03.44rljohnKeep pulling aggro off our noob tanks on Raging Spirits
15:03.49rljohn<PROTECTED>
15:04.00XinhuanOmen has something i'm sure skada doesnt though
15:04.03nebuladude, i already got ripped about for being a bad tank
15:04.11nebulai can't handle much more now /sobs
15:04.11rljohnby whom?
15:04.19Xinhuanit has the option to track your focus/focustarget
15:04.25Repo10classtimer: 03Stanzilla * r341 / (4 files in 2 directories): Options fix for 4.0 and updates in the priest module
15:04.27Xinhuanon a higher priority than your target/targettarget
15:04.28nebulacouple people in #wowhead
15:04.50Parnic|Workicehud has a bar that tracks your threat vs the tank and it will also show the second-highest threat if you're the current threat target
15:05.07rljohnWhat unitframes are you guys using in 4.0 ?
15:05.16KazieI will be using Pitbull
15:05.34KazieI'm too much of a tarded noob in Lua to figure out that AGunit something something.. i don't remember it's name
15:05.38nebulaTorhal: whats the count on definitive suf: continued mods?
15:05.57nebulaagUF still exists? lol
15:06.08rljohni think i used that in Vanilla
15:06.10rljohnat some point
15:06.24nebulayea, had to be the first unit frame mod i ever used
15:06.37KazieYea, i think it needs to be configured purely in Lua or something. someone in here told me that or something
15:06.41Slaymanmine was cosmosUI
15:06.46rljohnwell yeah, Cosmos lol
15:06.47Slaymannow that was early
15:06.54KazieYea Cosmos was the bomb!
15:06.56Repo10libjostle-3-0: 03Arrowmaster * r53 LibJostle-3.0.toc: Bump toc to 40000
15:07.02rljohnused to autorun you to your corpse
15:07.03rljohnel oh el
15:07.04Slaymanit really was
15:07.05nebula~wowalert
15:07.05purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
15:07.05KazieUntill smaller mods came and cosmos kinda died ever since
15:07.12Slaymanbut it is dead ever since
15:07.38KazieIt was kinda heavy
15:09.07Repo10libjostle-3-0: 03Arrowmaster 04v40000 * r54 : Tagging as v40000
15:09.13Repo10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone * r108 SurgeonGeneral.xml: More fixes for WoW 4.0.x
15:09.25Arrowmastermitch0: happy?
15:13.15Repo10gathermate2_data: 03kagaro * r4 / (4 files in 1 directory):
15:13.28RepoExtract of WowHead for GatherMate2 initial Load 4.0.1 data set.
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15:14.17KazieDo you guys know any good bag addons? dot addons and other cool stuff i must have? :P
15:14.52rljohnbagnon/arkinventory
15:15.33rljohnmaybe ForteXorcist for dot timers
15:16.06rljohnpower auras is still all-powerful, i use it for DoT timers when i play the GF's toon on my pc
15:16.33KazieIsn't power auras going to be built-in with 4.0.1?
15:17.00TalrynNot quite
15:17.02rljohnonly for class procs
15:17.08TalrynJust a basic addon like it
15:17.14TalrynBut it lacks customization
15:17.18rljohni.e. Bloodsurge
15:17.29KazieOh.. hmm.. well maybe that will come some day :)
15:17.47TalrynSo I take it GatherMate2 will replace the older GatherMate, starting with this patch?
15:18.08Repo10gathermate2_data: 03kagaro * r5 GasData.lua: Fix zone ids in gas extract.
15:18.11KazieI was wondering about that.. because Xloot has some Xloot 1.0 version on wowinterface and it says it doesn't work with release or something?
15:18.20Kaziewill i have trouble running addons today, that are made for 4.0.1?
15:18.27TalrynNo
15:18.32TalrynThis is 4.0.1
15:18.38nebulaare you eu?
15:18.55TalrynGood question :-)
15:19.07nebulathere are some function name changes and such that will break on pre-4.0 clients if they don't compat nicely
15:19.15TalrynIf the addon has an updated interface, you will need to load out-of-date addons
15:19.17Repo10gathermate2_data: 03kagaro * r6 / (2 files in 1 directory): Renamed toc to correct name.
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15:19.25Repo10libdogtag-3-0: 03Shefki * r221 LibDogTag-3.0.toc: TOC Bump.
15:19.38dafireyou shouldn't update your addons today if you play on eu servers
15:19.44Repo10libdogtag-3-0: 03Shefki 04v40000.1 * r222 : Tag as v40000.1
15:20.16Shadowedhahah Torhal
15:20.20Repo10libdogtag-unit-3-0: 03Shefki * r206 LibDogTag-Unit-3.0.toc: TOC Bump.
15:20.58Repo10gathermate2_data: 03kagaro 04v1.0.0-RC1 * r7 : Tagging as v1.0.0-RC1
15:21.37Repo10libdogtag-unit-3-0: 03Shefki 04v40000.1 * r207 : Tag as v40000.1.
15:22.15ShefkiPoor little packager.
15:23.18ShadowedTorhal I figured it was a better solution than having people releasing 50 variations of "Shadowed Unit Frames (Fan Update)"
15:23.24Talrynkagaro: So we should start using GM2 as of today?
15:23.26jnwhitehooh Shefki I like those version numbers
15:23.31jnwhitehI might have to steal them
15:23.35kagaroif you want tracking to work properly
15:23.40TalrynOk :-)
15:23.46kagarogm1 will error out on 4.0
15:23.55kagaroi left it ther for china clients
15:24.07kagaroinstead of just inplace replacing
15:24.11Shefkijnwhiteh: Those were ckknights.  I've been using 4.0.1.1 for myself.
15:24.20kagarothey will be on 3.xx branch for a while
15:24.22jnwhitehI'm using 4.0.0-1.0.0
15:24.28jnwhitehbut I used minor versions a lot.
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15:24.43TalrynSo what is happening with SUF?
15:24.47TalrynI missed something.
15:25.07dafirei use 0.2 :)
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15:32.07Xinhuankagaro, easier to popup a box or message in gm1 on loadtime for toc>=40000 to get gm2 ;p
15:32.10Xinhuanthan error out
15:32.30Xinhuanor update the description
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15:33.41kagarowell it doesnt spam errors
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15:40.23quiescenso.O
15:40.26quiescensso many whitetooths
15:40.40nevcairielthe invasion continues
15:41.04quiescensmoo
15:41.08Kaeltenand I'm back
15:41.18quiescensoh no
15:41.19nevcairieldid you get us some fresh file handles?
15:41.29Kaeltenindeed
15:42.10KaeltenI also went into acegui3sharedmediawidgets and fixed the two messed up tags
15:42.34nevcairielthere was something else i was meaning to mention
15:42.47nevcairielfor some reason TourGuide_Recorder was breaking the packager
15:42.52nevcairielforgot why
15:42.57nevcairieli disabled packaging on it
15:43.07quiescenssabotage
15:43.12Shadowedhaha
15:43.21Kaeltenreenable it to see message
15:43.42nevcairielalso, why is teh damn addon search not picking up new addons?
15:43.44quiescensit was probably shadowed
15:43.46nevcairielon wowace, not curse
15:44.04Fiskernevcairielmen
15:44.09Repo10rw2: 03mangeg * r626 RaidWatch.toc: Set version to 1.4
15:44.29Kaeltennevcairiel: good question
15:44.42nevcairieli added it to the packager
15:44.43nevcairiellets see
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15:46.12Repo10rw2: 03mangeg 041.4 * r627 : Tagging as 1.4
15:46.15Shadowedhmm
15:46.23Shadowedwhere re these 5 SUF forks that Torhal mentioned
15:46.26KaeltenI'll try running the cron that generates them and see if theres an error
15:46.50nevcairielhmm its taking really long to zip up rw2
15:46.59Repo10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone * r109 / (2 files in 1 directory): TOC bump for Interface 40000.
15:47.00RepoEnable v2 of the communication protocol with ListenClient.
15:47.20nebulaShadowed: four on curseforge, one on wowace i think he said :p
15:47.27Shadowedyea I don't see any when I look
15:47.59evlShadowed: did those AH post changes go live btw?
15:48.06Shadowedof course they did :
15:48.06Shadowedp
15:48.11evlCockpants™
15:49.06nevcairielKaelten: look at the log, error is there
15:49.25nevcairielI think its tekkubs fault because he doesnt have a "master" branch or something
15:49.37nevcairielbut the packager just loops on the repository instead of skipping
15:50.19hastelulz
15:50.23nebulaawkward, mb he didn't approve them? lol
15:50.25Shadowedhaha
15:50.48Kaeltennevcairiel: ya when I check it out there's no files in it
15:50.56Kaeltenthe repo that is
15:51.08rljohnShadowed my GF is very upset to uninstall SUF today, thought you should know!
15:51.18nevcairielShadowed: no fixings, eh?
15:51.28ShadowedNOPE
15:51.37nevcairielalso, fun fact, apparently agUF actually worked until now
15:51.44nevcairieli had several people complain already :p
15:51.55nevcairielor rather, beg for updates
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15:53.47Shadowedyea, agUF has 'worked' for a long time
15:54.18Shadowedit just had all the random bugs like incoming heals weren't really supported or it would die horribly if someone joined in combat
15:54.21Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 04v5.10.05 * r2861 : Tagging as v5.10.05
15:55.04nevcairielthat reminds me, i need to replace LibHealComm with those events in sRF
15:55.30Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach 07cataclysm * r2862 / (18 files in 9 directories): - Added Horde capital factions to the classic table
15:55.32Repo- Added the 2 Dalaran Elf factions to the wrath table
15:55.33Repo- Added/Changed some strings and updated the constants files of non-english to reflect what has changed
15:58.57Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03talryn1 * r2 / (15 files in 2 directories): Initial commit
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15:59.56Nivnice, this month I get TWO welcome to curse premium emails
15:59.59NivI feel special
16:00.27Kaeltennevcairiel: check and see if the search stuff updated
16:00.56Kaeltenand as to tekkub's messed up repo. he needs to fix that shit
16:01.10nevcairielindeed
16:01.22nevcairielwas just thinking a check to not loop over the same repo all the time would make sense
16:01.40Kaeltenya, the packager needs some love
16:01.48nevcairielKaelten: don't see any new ones still
16:01.55Kaelten:/
16:02.27Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 04v5.11.05 * r2863 : Tagging as v5.11.05
16:08.27Repo10big-brother: 03nebula169 06ace3dev * r233 BigBrother.toc: TOC bump
16:08.47Repo10heatsink: 03durcyn 044.0.0.1 * 8dec82b /: [new tag] 4.0.0.1
16:13.00durcynKaelten: there's something funky going on with the redirects too.  going to wowace.com/addons/whatever gets www.com instead of www.wowace.com
16:13.13nevcairiellol
16:13.21nevcairielthats a good one
16:13.32Stanzillaand I always thought that's chrome's fault
16:13.43nevcairielmaybe it is
16:13.49nevcairieland durcyn is using it too
16:13.55Fiskeraww man Niv
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16:13.59Stanzillait's damn annoying
16:14.01Fiskeri never get any premium mails
16:14.03durcynahem.
16:14.03durcyncurl http://wowace.com/addons/whatever
16:14.03durcyn<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
16:14.03durcyn<title>Redirecting...</title>
16:14.03durcyn<h1>Redirecting...</h1>
16:14.06durcyn<p>You should be redirected automatically to target URL: <a href="http://www.com/addons/whatever/">http://www.com/addons/whatever/</a>.  If not click the link.
16:14.12nevcairielheh, ok not chromes fault :P
16:14.16Stanzillahahaha
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16:15.20Nivwtb addon sync support in the mac curse client :)
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16:17.07Repo10classtimer: 03Stanzilla * r342 Bars/Warrior.lua: warrior updates for 4.0
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16:18.19Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03talryn1 * r3 / (2 files in 1 directory): Minor fixes
16:18.55nebulaare there any bag addons like baggins? elsia was gonna do ace3 version but that never happened ;[ just like the fact you break up categories into their own virtual bags, haven't seen something similar elsewhere
16:19.11Repo10crybaby: 03durcyn 044.0.0.1 * 469203d /: [new tag, +1 commits] 4.0.0.1
16:19.17Repo10crybaby: 03durcyn 07master * 4.0.0.1 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] remove Hysteria per 4.0.1 patch notes, add Bind Elemental
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16:24.54Slayman1arkinventory has some virtual (tea)bags hasn't it?
16:24.58wolftankkmany whietooth
16:25.05Repo10broker_professions: 03durcyn 044.0.0.1 * 463b197 /: [new tag, +1 commits] 4.0.0.1
16:30.06Repo10pitbull4: 03Shefki 04v4.0.0-beta12 * 791cf71 /: [new tag] Tagging as v4.0.0-beta12
16:30.34durcynthe wrapping on these addon category selection checkboxes makes me want to punch kittens
16:31.03Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach 07cataclysm * r2864 Documentation/Release_Notes.txt:
16:31.04RepoStarted working on the patch notes. Lag, please add your work to the list.
16:33.01Repo10broker_durabilityinfo: 03iceeagle 07master * v1.2-1-g8b5c7a5 Broker_DurabilityInfo.toc: [+1 commit] toc update
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16:39.07Parnic|Workdoes anybody know the path to the "generic arcs" shown here? http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/october/powerauras2.jpg
16:39.16Parnic|Worki'm interested in seeing if i can offer them as bars for icehud :)
16:40.06KaeltenBibi: ^
16:40.08Slayman1Parnic: there is an Addon recently added ExtraSpellalert(s) using them, look at that
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16:42.35Fiskerhey Parnic
16:42.44Fiskerlook it up you lazy bum!
16:42.46Fisker:3
16:43.05ShefkiFisker look up your own bum.
16:43.24Fiskeri certainly wish i could
16:43.56Slayman1and by that Fisker just won your profanity for himself, along with your soul
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16:51.38steevanyone patched yet?  after patching did the launcher give you beta stuff?
16:51.41PrimerI still wish curse would not email me when I comment on my own addons...
16:51.53Parnic|Worksteev: i patched and then the launcher installed another 1.3gb of who-knows-what
16:52.00steevParnic|Work: ditto
16:52.00Parnic|Workprimer: i setup a gmail filter to mark my own comments as read :P
16:52.01Primerlovely
16:52.03nevcairielPrimer: we all do :p
16:52.04steevwell, its running now
16:52.26ShefkiLooks like you only absolutely have to get ~600MB after the patch applies.
16:52.28Funkeh`anyone know what toc the PTR is
16:52.31Primersteev: get your shadowmourne yet?
16:52.34Shefki40000
16:52.38nevcairieleverything is 40000
16:52.43nevcairielthe toc isnt magic, its just the game version
16:52.44Funkeh`ty
16:52.49nevcairiel4.0.0 -> 40000
16:52.56nevcairiel4.0.x rather
16:52.58sylvanaar_workoh god, not today
16:53.00steevPrimer: indeed sir
16:53.05steevand i still haven't killed the LK
16:53.08Primersteev: gratz...I'm up to...28 shards
16:53.10quiescensget back to woek sylvanaar
16:53.10steevhow awesome is that?
16:53.11Primer2 here, 1 there
16:53.15nevcairiel~toc
16:53.15purlextra, extra, read all about it, toc is The current WoW Interface Number is: 40000
16:53.21nevcairieleven updated yet
16:53.28Primer8 bosses...1 shard (I have to pug it)
16:53.32Shefkipurl the toc is also magical
16:53.32purlShefki: okay
16:53.47Shefkilol
16:53.51quiescensa wizard did it
16:53.52steevPrimer: we need dps
16:54.01steevi really hope these 2 raiders get bumped down
16:54.10steevthey haven't raided in at least a month
16:54.16steevguy and his girlfriend
16:54.31steevhe was supposed to be #2 getting shadowmourne
16:54.47steevwhen i completed SM... he was taking the night off
16:54.57steevso shards went to the next person on the quest
16:55.18steevhe got mad and threw a hissy fit and now, he and his girlfriend don't raid any longer
16:55.33PrimerI had to give up my raid spot to this prot paly because they bitched and whined that "I called dibs"
16:55.48steevrofl
16:55.49nevcairielcalling dibs is invalid now?
16:55.56nevcairielthey were just too slow!
16:55.58steevi didn't know you could call dibs in wow
16:56.05Primerwell, he wanted to "share the shards"
16:56.17steevuh
16:56.24steevwhy does a prot pally need shards?
16:56.28Primerand I told him that neither of us would get it before the expansion if we did that
16:56.35nevcairielit doesnt go any faster when you share
16:56.38Primerwell, he has a "DPS spec"
16:56.41nevcairielone guy just has to wait longer
16:56.44Primerthat's no where close to mine
16:56.53steevi tank with SM
16:56.55steev*shrug*
16:57.01steevaoe threat is awesome
16:57.06nevcairielbut you're a DK
16:57.11nevcairielyou dont wear shields :P
16:57.12steevso is Primer
16:57.13Primerthat's what I was planning on doing too
16:57.16quiescensnerf dks
16:57.21steevnerf quiescens
16:57.27quiescens):
16:57.30PrimerBiS DK tank weapon by far
16:57.34steevagreed
16:57.37nevcairiela good dps weapon is always a good threat weapon
16:57.47steevspecially since we're getting our own tanking talent tree *sigh*
16:57.58steevand unholy frenzy is nowhere near as awesome as hysteria was
16:59.06PrimerI don't mind a dedicated tanking tree
16:59.14steevi do
16:59.22steevwe're just as bland as every other class now
16:59.30nevcairieltrying to keep 3 trees viable for three roles each was a bit much
16:59.40Primernot like you're topping DPS in raids as a tank
16:59.51steevnevcairiel: suck it up nancy, they're making 180 mil a month, they can afford it
17:00.09nevcairielYou can't just throw more people at this
17:00.17Primerso all the talent changes are in right now?
17:00.21steevyes Primer
17:00.26steevand mastery
17:00.28quiescensdo people do a million damage
17:00.30steevand forging
17:00.36quiescenscompared to their 10 hp
17:00.38steevquiescens: servers are still down
17:00.44nevcairielmastery is in, but there is no gear until cataclysm anyhow
17:00.50Primerman, I had just spec'd my druid to feral DPS with arp
17:00.57steevnevcairiel: haste->mastery
17:00.59Primeronly got to play with it for about 2 weeks
17:01.06PrimerI was doing mad deeps in raids
17:01.17nevcairieldidnt GC say no mastery gear until cata
17:01.23pentium166you can reforge to mastery
17:01.24nevcairielbesides, haste is still a stat
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17:01.33PrimerSo what about DBW? It becomes crit now?
17:01.41nevcairieldbw?
17:01.50PrimerDeathbringer's Will
17:01.54Stanzillayes crit
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17:02.01steevso haste, haste, crit, str
17:02.02PrimerDon't all your realms have cool acronyms for everything?
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17:02.11nevcairielyea its crit
17:02.37nevcairieli can finally ditch my sucky hit gear on my moonkin
17:02.39nevcairiel\o/
17:02.39PrimerI have that on my DK and I wasn't spec'd for arp
17:02.44Primerso I guess it's an upgrade
17:02.59Primerwhat about arp gems?
17:03.02Repo10gathermate: 03kagaro 07cataclysm * r693 GatherMate.lua: Added a print stating GM2 should be used for WoW 4.0
17:03.06Stanzillacrit, too
17:03.13Primerbut isn't crit yellow?
17:03.17Stanzillayep
17:03.23steevnevcairiel: no you can't
17:03.36quiescenslaserchicken
17:03.38steevunless you're re-gemming for hit
17:03.40PrimerI mean, on my cat it'd make sense for them to be agil. Red for red
17:03.52Stanzillasteev: hit from spirit?
17:03.59Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar 043.4.5 * r668 : Tagging as 3.4.5
17:04.00nevcairielsteev: i get hit from spirit, duh
17:04.06quiescensduh
17:04.06steevnevcairiel: boo
17:04.15Primernot that I was matching gem colors...everything was arp except for the nightmare tear for meta proc
17:04.22steevoh well, i think i was over hit cap without a draenei anyway so *shrug*
17:04.39Stanzillahit turns blue, too
17:04.40Repo10grid: 03Phanx 07ace3 * r1354 GridStatusHeals.lua: - Tweak incoming heals status
17:05.08steevyeah chaotic earthsiege diamond easier to get now
17:05.30Stanzillayeah
17:05.34Stanzillaespecially for warriors
17:05.41Stanzillahow socket pure haste and hit now <.<
17:05.46Kaeltennevcairiel: can you give me an addon that's not searchable?
17:05.51PrimerSo does the new talent pane go in too?
17:05.54Stanzillayes
17:05.55steevdoes haste affect gcd?
17:05.56nevcairielKaelten: libactionbutton
17:06.02Primerbecause I've noticed talented isn't updated
17:06.05PrimerI love that addon
17:06.27StanzillaPrimer: just save your speccs as bookmarks from wowtal
17:06.44Kaeltennevcairiel: a link then because that's not the slug
17:07.11nevcairiel@project libactionbutton-1-0
17:07.11PrimerStanzilla: well, talent trees are different now, so in a situation like this, it makes no difference
17:07.11Reponevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libactionbutton-1-0/. LibActionButton-1.0. Game: WoW. Nevcairiel (Manager/Author). Updated: 5 days ago
17:07.22rljohnsteev: haste effects caster GCD, caps at 1.0 seconds, melee GCD cannot be changed, iirc
17:07.37PrimerI just really like the ability to inspect people, copy their specs, and apply them in a span of 5 seconds
17:07.39steevhmmm
17:07.53steevPrimer: there are only like 4 possible specs for a dk now anyway
17:07.54Primerrljohn: affects
17:08.02steevtank, unholy dps, frost 2h dps, frost dw dps
17:08.06rljohnPrimer: I am an eingineer not an english major ;)
17:08.11rljohnwow spelling fail
17:08.15Stanzillahaha
17:08.30Primerrljohn: you're supposed to call me "Jim"
17:08.36nevcairieljust made your point, i guess
17:08.38rljohnJim: ok
17:08.43Primerand say "dammit, Jim"
17:08.56rljohnDamnit Jim, I'm an Engineer not an English major
17:08.58Slayman1I don't like where this is going
17:08.59Repo10little-wigs: 03ulic * r763 / (10 files in 10 directories): toc bump
17:09.18Primerhehe
17:09.36Primerman, I love working from home
17:09.51Primerstart 2 hours ealrier (meaning I end 2 hours earlier), no boss on my back
17:10.00PrimerI haven't showered
17:10.05Primerand I'm in my underwear
17:10.25Primerand no commute
17:10.37Primerbraving the LA freeways to downtown
17:10.51quiescensget dressed you layabout!
17:11.03Slayman1you bum
17:11.10Slayman1I envy you though
17:11.21PrimerI work from home at least 1 day per week
17:11.27Slayman1but on the plus side, I can play all sorts of games from my work rack at work
17:11.34Primerand on those days I rarely stop working early
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17:11.59PrimerI usually keep working, as my job is challenging and rewarding
17:12.02Primermostly
17:12.24sylvanaar_worksounds nice
17:12.58sylvanaar_worki have forgotten what it is like to enjoy your job
17:13.00PrimerSlayman1: I can play at work too, but my video cards isn't the best
17:13.08Primerplus I only have Linux at work
17:13.09Slayman1I read somewhere that this is the new shizzle and upping productivity like you haven't seen before, some german online mag wrote about that
17:13.47PrimerI have my WoW directory setup on my work machine, but I only get online to chat to people
17:13.54Primerchat with, even
17:14.11PrimerSlayman1: I definitely feel more productive when I work from home
17:14.31PrimerI tend to focus more on work...and browse fukung less
17:14.32Slayman1as said the article, you sure that article didn't spawn you?
17:14.34nevcairieli usually get distracted by some stuff i would rather be doing
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17:14.55Primernevcairiel: my wife is more vigilant than my boss
17:15.00nevcairiellol
17:15.08Primershe keeps me from being distracted
17:15.16Slayman1Primer:  and your wife crits harder i believe
17:15.20quiescenswoek woek
17:15.22Parnic|Worki have the opposite problem. if i'm home, i'm asked to do things
17:15.53Primeralthough she can't tell the difference between my machine at home booted into windows (used _only_ to play video games) and Linux (used _only_ for work)
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17:16.40Primeris currently booted into windows, waiting for the patch to finish applying
17:16.48PrimerI really didn't think it'd take this long
17:17.37Slaymanwhy not load the patch with some linuxtorrentclient and work on?
17:17.50Primerthe patch is downloaded
17:17.53Primerit's now applying
17:17.58Slaymanok
17:17.59Primerthat's the part that's taking forever
17:18.06Primerdownloading was fast
17:18.09Slaymanis it streaming or sth?
17:18.19Primerit's all this disk thrashing now that's taking a long time
17:18.25Slaymanor just checking fileintegrity bit by bit
17:18.32Primeruhhh
17:18.47Primerit's the updater that's running now
17:19.30PrimerFrom what I can tell, it's actually patching the huge ass data files
17:19.36Slaymanwhatever, GET BACK TO WORK!
17:19.47Slayman:D
17:19.52quiescensdoes it update in place or does it do the traditional "make a copy as you patch and then replace the existing file with the copy"
17:20.02nevcairielit makes a copy
17:20.02PrimerI have no idea
17:20.06nevcairielrequires alot of space
17:20.27PrimerI presume the deltas are far smaller downloads than replacing the actual assets
17:20.48Slaymanthat's the reason I don't have an SSD as systemdisk, since WoW runs from systemdisk
17:21.08nevcairielworrying about write cycles is overrated
17:21.14quiescensi agree
17:21.19Slaymanno it's a space issue
17:21.24PrimerI wonder what the download size would be if they just had a file that overrode the existing assets
17:21.33Primerlike how id games did upgrades
17:21.50quiescensthat depends
17:21.52Primerthey never actually patched any files. The new files had assets that overrode previous ones
17:22.06Primerall you had to do was drop them into the directory and you were patched
17:22.08quiescensmost software that use that system store their assets as seperate files
17:22.18quiescensrather than putting everything into one big mpq
17:22.33Primerthis updater seems to have opened up the mpq file, and is applying deltas to the assets, and writing a new mpq file
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17:22.36Slaymanwas it that which made WoW so incredibly portable?
17:22.50Primerquiescens: separate
17:23.05SlaymanI kept my vanilla install from XP until wotlk on vista64
17:23.13quiescens):
17:23.32PrimerSlayman: yeah, WoW is incredibly portable...
17:23.43quiescensprimer: nev and I already said that it makes a copy of the file as it patches rather than working in-file
17:23.49quiescens!
17:23.51nevcairielIt does usually add new stuff on content patches though
17:23.56PrimerSlayman: by portable I presume you mean, able to be transported as a directory from one machine to another?
17:23.56Slaymanthat made me fall in love for it even more back in the day
17:24.01nevcairieland only merges with expansions
17:24.05SlaymanPrimer: yes
17:24.06nevcairielor when you get a full patch
17:24.13Primerquiescens: heh, how else would it be done?
17:24.35PrimerSlayman: I attribute that to the fact that it doesn't store information necessary to play in the registry
17:24.39quiescensthat doesn't really have anything to do with why it works well like that slayman
17:24.41Primerwhich I salute Blizz for
17:24.49Pneumatusare the forums on the blink for anyone else?
17:24.51Pneumatusor just me?
17:25.03arkanes_Pneumatus: they usually are during patches
17:25.10PrimerI could never understand why people bought into the whole registry bullshit
17:25.23Primerwhen storing settings in the game's directory has worked fine for ages
17:25.27arkanes_the registry is an excellent idea
17:25.31Pneumatuspatch isnt for another 8 hours or something :P
17:25.38Primerand allows games to be easily transported from one installation to the next
17:25.40quiescensthe registry is annoying
17:25.44Primerarkanes: negative
17:25.53arkanes_storing settings in the games directory only works because windows has a terrible security model
17:25.55Primerfrom one machine to the next
17:26.07Primerarkanes: bullshit
17:26.22quiescensthat doesn't make the registry a good idea
17:26.29arkanes_yes it does
17:26.30quiescensstore settings files in a user directory
17:26.34Primeryeah, one thing has nothing to do with another
17:26.38arkanes_quiescens: thats not any different than the registry
17:26.59arkanes_it's just a matter of implementation, and the windows registry *is* poorly implemented
17:27.01PrimerI just want my games to work from one installation of windows to the next
17:27.06nevcairielquiescens: silly unix user you
17:27.22arkanes_but the idea of having a structured, organized, well known location for settings is a good one
17:27.29PrimerI don't want to "manually export registry settings", then re-install the game, then import settings to get my save games back
17:27.36Primerwhich I had to do with some games
17:27.43nevcairielthats fail on the games side
17:27.46arkanes_Primer: so stick with windows XP
17:27.49arkanes_nothing is stopping you
17:27.53Primereh?
17:27.58quiescenso.O
17:27.58PrimerXP is where this happened!
17:28.05Primer95 is where this happened
17:28.07arkanes_or heck dos
17:28.09Primer98
17:28.13Primer2000
17:28.21steevResilience no longer reduces the chance you will be critically hit by an opponent
17:28.23Primeryou name it, it's where it's happened
17:28.27steevwhat is the point of it now?
17:28.31Primersteev: yeah, wtf is up with that
17:28.32pentium166it reduces damage
17:28.34pentium166still
17:28.34quiescensreduce damage presumably
17:28.44arkanes_nothing, the stat has absolutely no effect
17:28.46quiescensreducing crit chance was silly
17:28.48arkanes_obviously
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17:29.26steevbut it was nice not getting blasted for 15k by mages :(
17:29.33arkanes_steev: but seriously, instead of reducing crit and also reducing some kinds of damage, it's just a flat PVP damage reduction
17:29.44quiescensthat's still different
17:30.15quiescensreducing damage overall is less likely to break things than reducing crit chance
17:30.28Primermy point was this: Invariably windows fucks itself, and must be re-installed. When games rely on the registry to run, be patched, know where save games are, re-installing windows can lead to re-installing the game and manually recreating settings to restore saved games
17:30.34Primerand settings
17:30.43arkanes_Primer: thats got nothing to do with whether or not the registry is a good idea
17:30.48arkanes_Primer: use an OS that doesn't fuck itself
17:30.53PrimerI do
17:31.06Primerbut Linux + wine isn't viable for gaming
17:31.12PrimerI gave up on that a long time ago
17:31.19Parnic|Workthat's not the registry screwing you over. that's the game dev making poor choices about what information to store in the registry
17:31.28PrimerParnic: I agree
17:31.32arkanes_it's also windows just sucking in general
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17:31.43arkanes_like I said, the registry is poorly *implemented*
17:31.45Primerwhich is why I like how Blizzard does wow
17:31.52Primerzero dependency on the registry
17:31.55arkanes_but it's an excellent, and I would say essential, idea
17:31.58quiescensyou can't just say the windows registry is poorly implemented like its an excuse
17:32.00nevcairielits not zero, actually
17:32.01quiescenswhen we say "registry"
17:32.03nevcairieljust not for playing
17:32.05quiescenswe obviously mean the windows registry
17:32.12arkanes_quiescens: I know
17:32.14Primernevcairiel: for patching too
17:32.18Primerit knows where it is
17:32.19Repo10simple-unit-frames: 03Pneumatus 04v2.3.3 * r124 : Tagging as v2.3.3
17:32.21arkanes_quiescens: but the registry is not a bad idea
17:32.26Primercwd!! OMG CURRENT WORKING DIRECTORY!
17:32.29ccKepso, US servers already back online? (EU here)
17:32.32PrimerHERE I AM!
17:32.38nevcairielpatching needs it, notice when you move wow to a new pc, the launcher will ask for UAC elevation once to write new registry keys
17:32.42arkanes_quiescens: even with the flaws in the implementation, it's possible to use it in a reasonable way
17:33.03Primernevcairiel: it asks for UAC elevation every time
17:33.04arkanes_it'd be better if windows had better tooling with it, but that horse has left the barn
17:33.11nevcairielPrimer: then you're broken
17:33.12nevcairielonly asks once for me
17:33.24Repo10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone 044.0.0.0 * r110 : Tagging as 4.0.0.0
17:33.25RepoCompatible with WoW 4.0.x
17:33.34Primermeh, I'm just a user of windows at this point
17:33.36quiescensI still prefer the system where a user's settings are stored in their own user directory, and preferably a separate file or directory of the application's choice
17:33.40Pneumatusyeh, you shouldnt get UAC prompts on every launch :o
17:33.46Primerevery program that runs and "installer" asks for UAC elevation
17:33.52Primeruhh
17:33.53arkanes_quiescens: thats a reasonble way to implement a registgry
17:33.54quiescensmakes it easy to keep all your own settings if you choose to, or keep only the ones you want
17:33.56Primernot every launch
17:33.58Primerevery patch
17:34.05nevcairieli was talking about the launcher
17:34.08ccKepI take it all this chatting  means US servers aren't back online ^.^
17:34.09nevcairieljust move wow to a new comp
17:34.11nevcairieland the launcher asks once
17:34.13quiescenswithout having to go through manual exports for various structures one at a time
17:34.15Primersure
17:34.15nevcairielit writes new reg keys
17:34.17arkanes_quiescens: and the registry proper actually is implemented very similar to that, just within the virtual filesystem of the registry hive
17:34.24Parnic|Workwow main menu says 2hr delay on maintenance, so the US realms aren't up yet
17:34.25Primeryeah, I expect that
17:34.35ccKepthanks Parnic
17:34.37PrimerParnic: translation: 5 hours
17:34.40nevcairielPatching works when you have the patch inside the WoW dir, but if you run it from any other place, it obviously needs those keys =)
17:34.56Primerso, don't expect servers to be up til about 6 PM PST or so
17:34.59Pneumatusand WoW can never make its mind up where it downloads patches to
17:35.10nevcairielat least the background downloader is consistent
17:35.12Pneumatussometimes to the WoW dir, sometimes to Public\Documents\Blizzard
17:35.13Primernevcairiel: of course
17:35.18Primerbut it's smart. It asks
17:35.25nevcairielunless you run it in a UAC protected dir
17:35.26Primerand if you're smart, you know where it is
17:35.29Primerand all is good
17:35.43ccKepyeah, just trying to get a guesstimate for eu maintenance tomorrow.... I'm not expecting them to be up before 4 to 6 PM anyway
17:35.46PrimerUAC is a panacea anyhow
17:35.52Primerpeople will click anything
17:36.05nevcairielmost do, sure
17:36.12Primer"Do you want me to completely fuck your computer over? Yes | no"
17:36.12arkanes_UAC was developed primarily as a social tool
17:36.13Primer"Yes"
17:36.17Pneumatusyeh, vista compounded the matter by prompting too often
17:36.30quiescensI just don't see why it was neccesary to do that when the way it is laid out pretty much fits the existing design of a filesystem anyway
17:36.30nevcairielHey, i even set the UAC level to maximum on 7
17:36.37Pneumatuswin7 has got it right, but vista users have already got it ingrained to confirm automatically
17:36.45arkanes_the idea was to prompt all the time when applications did something bad, so that users would complain to the developers who would then fix their stuff
17:36.47quiescensand then people could just use the tools they are used to for copying/etc
17:36.48nevcairielwhich is about the vista level of asking
17:37.12arkanes_quiescens: I agree that it was a poor design choice, made worse by the poor quality of implementation
17:37.14Primersigh...I really should get a new disk
17:37.21Primerdamn updater is STILL going
17:37.26Primer76%
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17:37.50Pneumatusi like win7's default prompting, EXCEPT i don't like UAC being involved at all (or ntfs permissions in general) on removable devices
17:37.53Pneumatusbecause thats bloody annoying
17:37.56arkanes_quiescens: in fairness, it was an attempt to work around issues with fat32, cause ntfs wasn't around then
17:38.25Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03kagaro * r5 BloodShieldTracker.lua: fixed variable name
17:38.49quiescensremovable devices mount with noexec and nodev and belong to the current "console" user, nodnod
17:38.52nevcairielPneumatus: i never had it ask me stuff about a removable device
17:38.52quiescenslol
17:39.28Pneumatusnevcairiel: you generally get it if you shove a HD out of another PC into a USB caddy etc
17:39.45quiescensbut yeah, its mostly just everything was written with the assumption that it would have access to everything
17:39.49nevcairieli never had it ask me except in those special folder on C:
17:39.57nevcairielwell, folders
17:40.01quiescensit should presumably get better over time
17:40.12arkanes_I need to get an SSD
17:40.27Primerme too
17:40.28nevcairielI just did
17:40.30nevcairielits awesome
17:40.31nevcairielhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/38898adf8f946ca35aadf32563d49530.png
17:40.31nevcairiel:p
17:40.32Slaymanme three
17:40.35arkanes_I've got wow installed on its own partition on a second drive and that helps a lot, but an SSD would be nicer
17:40.54quiescensrather just set up an array of disk drives ):
17:41.07Parnic|Worknevcairiel: those menus appear to be in some weird other language :P
17:41.10quiescenstradition!
17:41.22SlaymanI have wow and win on raid0 of 10k Raptors it's not enough
17:41.24Primera redundant array of independent disks?
17:41.38Repo10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone * r111 SurgeonGeneral.toc: Fixed version number to match WoW version.
17:41.39arkanes_anyway, re: the space issue with patching on the SSD, install it on a regular drive, patch it there, then mirror it to the ssd with rsync
17:41.43nevcairielParnic|Work: rather test that fps bug after my change!
17:41.54Primerarkanes: good idea
17:41.57Parnic|Workoh, you think you fixed it? :)
17:42.04nevcairielrsync seems overkill, just move it over and move it back
17:42.25nevcairielany recent hdd will get you 90mb/s or so
17:42.28nevcairielover in no time
17:42.38arkanes_nevcairiel: using rsync means as patches come you can continue to patch it on the magnetic drive, but get it onto the SSD to run from quickly
17:42.43Primerrsync would still be faster
17:43.01Parnic|Worknevcairiel: are you (or someone) going to tag ace3 at some point so that those using tag: latest in pkgmeta will pick it up?
17:43.09nevcairielarkanes_: content patches dont usually do this rebuilding magic
17:43.10arkanes_a full wow install is what, 15 gigs now?
17:43.23nevcairielso patching on the ssd should be fine
17:43.36nevcairielParnic|Work: at some point
17:43.51Pneumatusheh, InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory still broken then, guess BlizzBugsSuck gets to stay in my addon list!
17:44.02nevcairielDidnt someone say its fixed
17:44.17arkanes_someone did
17:44.29arkanes_but then shefki said they were lying and tagged blizzbugsucks
17:44.47Pneumatuswell, its easily reproducable anyway to verify
17:44.52nevcairielso, there are no facts involved
17:45.14arkanes_I know on the beta some of my addons were opening correctly and some were not
17:45.25Primeryeah, same here
17:45.28arkanes_and one of the ones that wasn't was sexymap, which I know does not attempt to work around the bug
17:45.28Pneumatusi never installed enough addons on the beta to try it
17:45.31nevcairieli didnt have enough addons on the beta
17:45.35arkanes_so that leads me to think it's not fixed
17:45.48quiescensthe big patches tend to just *add* a new patch-(x).mpq, the small patches tend to rebuild the most recent patch-(x).mpq
17:45.48Primerdamn, SSDs are still expensive
17:45.49Repo10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone 044.0.1.0 * r112 : Tagging as 4.0.1.0
17:46.05quiescensat least, back when I played
17:46.13quiescensI don't know how they're doing it for the current thingy
17:46.22nevcairielthats how it still was in wotlk
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17:47.23Repo10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r669 / (3 files in 1 directory): anti-goldspam update
17:47.24Reporemove some old stuff
17:47.25Repodisable repetitive spam filter & ASCII art filter to test if new Blizz throttle system is effective
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17:48.53Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03kagaro * r6 BloodShieldTracker.lua:
17:48.54RepoAdded in another event check to show the predicted when we cast deathstrike to see if it matches the actual heal.
17:48.59Primersteev: people still use gentoo?
17:49.06Pneumatusricers do
17:49.09Primerchuckles
17:49.11Pneumatus--funroll-loops
17:49.12Pneumatusetc
17:49.13quiescenseffort
17:49.18Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03kagaro * r7 BloodShieldTracker.lua: typo fix
17:49.30PrimerI used gentoo for a few years actually
17:49.51arkanes_it's funny because the performance crazy ricers have generally left gentoo
17:49.53Primeruntil I got tired of the revdep-rebuild/solve deps manually/unfuck USE flags cycle
17:49.56quiescensi ran it for a night in a vm to have a look at it
17:50.09arkanes_which now has a reputation for being more steady and conservative about what it packages than, say, ubuntu
17:50.13Primerbut I was an early x86_64 adopter
17:50.28arkanes_I loved gentoo back in 2002 because it had a purple framebuffer
17:50.33arkanes_that was the only thing I liked about it
17:50.37Primerheh
17:50.49Primerit just became unmaintainable
17:50.55starlonYou know what would be cool. If you hit a keystroke in an HTML edit box, and it turned into a vim-style editor.
17:50.58PneumatusWatching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight!
17:51.10arkanes_starlon: there's addons for several browsers that do that, or something like it
17:51.18starlonah cool.
17:51.20steevPrimer: le sigh
17:51.27PrimerI used to beta test America's Army on Linux back in the day...I remember that gentoo's default USE for glibc didn't add NPTL
17:51.49steevthat was definitely a long time ago
17:51.56Primerand people running servers on gentoo (invariably there were more people running servers than client) couldn't run it
17:52.05Primerbecause of the lack of NPTL
17:52.18Primerso
17:52.24PrimerUSE+=nptl
17:52.27Primermake world
17:52.29Primerwait 2 days
17:52.37Primeryeah
17:52.39Primerfun times
17:52.48steevmhm
17:52.59quiescens./world
17:53.09arkanes_steev: we still love you
17:53.58Repo10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r306 / (2 files in 1 directory): Re-generate and update .toc for 4.0
17:54.00steevarkanes_: *shrug* works for my needs, and that is what counts
17:54.24steevour servers need to respond sub ms
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17:54.44arkanes_back in the day, I'd refuse to help anyone using gentoo because they inevitably had some ridiculous build with crazy flags that they could never explain
17:54.47Primernowadays I just use Fedora for my workstation and Centos for servers
17:55.06arkanes_and now I refuse to help anyone using gentoo because they inevitably have ludicrously out of date versions
17:55.12Repo10libbabble-talenttree-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r32 LibBabble-TalentTree-3.0.toc: Re-generate and update .toc for 4.0
17:55.16steevheh
17:55.18Repo10libbabble-zone-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r287 / (2 files in 1 directory): Re-generate and update .toc for 4.0
17:55.20Repo10bad-boy: 03funkydude 04v6.100 * r670 : Tagging as v6.100
17:55.25Repo10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 044.0-release1 * r307 : Weekly Tag - #1
17:55.30Repo10libbabble-creaturetype-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 044.0-release1 * r82 : Weekly Tag - #1
17:55.32Repo10libbabble-faction-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 044.0-release1 * r119 : Weekly Tag - #1
17:55.37Repo10libbabble-inventory-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 044.0-release1 * r107 : Weekly Tag - #1
17:55.42Repo10libbabble-race-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 044.0-release1 * r27 : Weekly Tag - #1
17:55.44Repo10libbabble-talenttree-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 044.0-release1 * r33 : Weekly Tag - #1
17:55.46Repo10libbabble-zone-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 044.0-release1 * r288 : Weekly Tag - #1
17:55.49arkanes_nevcairiel: hows bt5 coming?
17:55.49Parnic|Worknev goes on a tagging rampage
17:55.52quiescensi have debian on a couple of particularly.. long lived servers
17:55.56steevthat is because most devs now a days insist on doing everything in ovverlays
17:55.59steevoverlays even
17:56.00Primerquiescens: same
17:56.17quiescensthe ones that have just been dist-upgraded since debian 2 or something
17:56.18Primerquiescens: started a new job a little over a year ago and the whole setup is debian lenny
17:56.31Primerabout 10 servers
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17:56.36nevcairieli should figure out what linux distro we run at work
17:56.39nevcairieli didnt bother so far
17:56.41steevPrimer: we have some servers out and about that are still sarge :D
17:56.49Primerwow
17:57.02quiescensits nice that they have survived being dist-upgraded that many times without any issue though
17:57.11Primersteev: my old work has its oracle on gentoo still :)
17:57.28steevPrimer: in good news, they work, in bad news, no way in hell to update them without breaking everything
17:57.48Primerthat install goes back to like, 2004
17:58.08quiescensyou'd be surprised, it works fairly well as long as you go 3->4 and then 4->5
17:58.10Primersteev: yup
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17:58.25Primerneedless to say, there is no public internet access to that box
17:58.43starlonThis is not for convenience though. It's cause every time I go to an HTML editor, I end up trying to save the post with vim keystrokes.
17:58.50Primergranted, it only listens on port 22 and the oracle listener port
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17:59.03arkanes_starlon: I've closed more web pages because I try to delete a word with ctrl-w :(
17:59.11starlonheh
17:59.29Repo10badboy_ccleaner: 03funkydude * r35 BadBoy_CCleaner.toc: bump to 40000
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18:00.22PrimerDumgeons &amp; Raids
18:00.30PrimerBlizz fails
18:00.33Repo10badboy_levels: 03funkydude * r68 BadBoy_Levels.toc: bump to 40000
18:00.33PrimerDungeons, even
18:00.50ulicwell that's slightly less bad :)
18:01.13Primerhahaha "Flexible" raid lock system!
18:01.16arkanes_starlon: vimperator puts vim-like keybindings in firefox, and there's also addons like It's all Text that will actually spawn an external editor and then copy the text into the edit box
18:01.17Primerthat's what they call it!
18:01.20Repo10badboy_guilded: 03funkydude * r5 BadBoy_Guilded.toc: bump to 40000
18:01.36arkanes_it is more flexible
18:01.48arkanes_just not in the specific area of letting you run a 10 and a 25 the same week
18:02.28Pneumatusyes, flexible in the way that it makes you raid less
18:02.44arkanes_well flexible doesn't mean "lets you raid more"
18:02.54arkanes_it lets you organize your raids in more ways
18:03.02Pneumatusno, it lets people raid more
18:03.48Pneumatusbut for people clearing 10 and 25, it makes you raid less
18:03.54quiescensas far as I can think of, the only thing it effectively allows that didn't used to be possible is something like running most of something as (10/25) and then running the boss you actually want as (25/10)
18:03.54arkanes_yes indeed
18:04.25arkanes_it makes a lot of things more possible
18:04.38Pneumatusquiescens: it also allows you to raid 4 bosses in 1 raid, then the next 4 bosses in a whole other raid
18:04.40arkanes_you can join any raid that is at least as progressed as the one you're saved to
18:04.59quiescensah
18:05.02Primerok, so no more soul shards...does that mean that my 32 slot soul bags get converted into something useful?
18:05.07arkanes_Primer: yes
18:05.12Primerbags...yes...I have 2 locks
18:05.15Primerone is my son's
18:05.20arkanes_Primer: it'll be converted to a regular bag of "similar" material requirements
18:05.25Primerand they're both 80
18:05.25PneumatusPrimer: yes, a 32-slot bag for emo tears
18:05.28arkanes_I'm not sure what the exact swaps are
18:05.36Primerhopes for 24
18:05.42arkanes_I'd guess 22
18:05.45Pneumatusi think the 32-slot goes to a 22
18:06.05quiescensbut it does cause problems for some existing cases too, though only the ones that involved running both sets
18:06.24arkanes_quiescens: sure, they're explicitly no longer supporting killing the same boss twice in one week
18:06.47Pneumatusinfact, yeh, it must go to a 22slot
18:06.48quiescenspeople that might have raided 25 as a guild thingy but offered to help some friends on 10 or whatever
18:06.57arkanes_quiescens: yes, now they can't do that
18:07.08arkanes_there's also some stuff about heroic modes I didn't quite read in detail
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18:07.19quiescensthey should let you go, but just not let you get stuff
18:07.22quiescenslol
18:07.24Pneumatuswe raid 25s on our proper raid nights, then 10s at weekends
18:07.29arkanes_I think to join a raid thats kill N heroic mode bosses you must also have killed those bosses on heroic or something
18:07.30Pneumatusso that gets canned
18:07.40arkanes_quiescens: yeah they've explicitly said thats not a direction they will ever take
18:07.43quiescensdon't mind me, I take exception with anything that makes it hard to play with who you want to play
18:07.49quiescenswith*
18:07.58Pneumatusyou can't join a heroic raid if you're already saved to another heroic raid
18:08.06Pneumatusyou can only join a normal raid
18:08.36arkanes_that messes with stuff a little in ICC
18:08.47quiescens(not specific to this game either of course)
18:08.47arkanes_because pugging a few heroic mode bosses is so common
18:08.56Pneumatusyeh, it pretty much screws pugs because you go heroic for lootship etc
18:09.17Pneumatusbut then, in cata at least i'd hope heroics were never puggable.
18:09.17arkanes_I retired from raiding last month so all I do is 1 gdkp a week anyway, so no big deal for me
18:09.38arkanes_they probably will be eventually, as we out-tier stuff
18:10.35Repo10passloot_atlasloot: 03Odlaw * r10 PassLoot_AtlasLoot.toc: toc update
18:10.43Repo10pass-loot: 03Odlaw * r116 PassLoot.toc: toc update
18:10.54Pneumatusi dunno, i certainly wouldnt pug 0-lights, and thats 2 tiers old
18:10.59Repo10badboy_ccleaner: 03funkydude 04v3.11 * r36 : Tagging as v3.11
18:11.05Repo10macro-bank: 03Odlaw * r56 MacroBank.toc: toc update
18:11.11nevcairielwhat do pugs do in icc? only lootship?
18:11.14nevcairielthats ok then
18:11.27Pneumatusnah, pugs do maybe half the bosses heroic
18:11.33rljohnmaybe on your server
18:11.40rljohnour realm is US#219 =/
18:11.42arkanes_our pug does marrowgar, lootship, and usually rotface
18:11.46rljohnwe're lucky to even have a kingslayer in a raid
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18:12.06Odlawmy 2 alt raids do all heroics but deathwhisper, putricide, sind and lk
18:12.12Odlawalt/pug
18:12.13Repo10badboy_levels: 03funkydude 04v2.61 * r69 : Tagging as v2.61
18:12.24Pneumatusmarrowgar, lootship, rotface, festergut, blood council, bql, valithria
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18:12.40nevcairielwe try for 10 or 11 heroics in our alt raid
18:12.53rljohnare we talking 10m or 25m
18:12.59Pneumatusboth
18:13.01nevcairielbut yesterday we did 2 because we so sucked on the first 2 that we just said screw it
18:13.02Repo10badboy_guilded: 03funkydude 04v1.0.1 * r6 : Tagging as v1.0.1
18:13.18arkanes_I'm talking a 25 man gdkp, so we're carrying a lot of weight
18:13.44nevcairieli guess, yea
18:13.54Pneumatusi dunno what our realm gdkp runs do, i'd assume less due to more scrubs with too much gold
18:14.24rljohnwe have 4 kingslayer guilds on our realm, 3 of which have basically quit raiding
18:14.33Repo10targetpercent: 03funkydude * r14 TargetPercent.toc: bump to 40000
18:14.36arkanes_thats rough
18:14.40rljohntbh i think our Alt/pug run is the #2 in current progression
18:14.41rljohnlol
18:14.43Pneumatuswait
18:14.46Repo10postal: 03Xinhuan 04v3.4.1 * r309 : Tag release v3.4.1.
18:14.54Pneumatusonly 4 guilds that killed arthas on normal?
18:15.03Pneumatusthat is bad
18:15.11Repo10brez: 03funkydude * r7 bRez.toc: bump to 40000
18:15.19arkanes_arthas can be pretty hard even on normal
18:15.27arkanes_when you're carrying scrubs
18:15.37arkanes_OMG THERE IS DEFILE EVERYWHERE
18:15.43Pneumatusif you all play without monitors, perhaps
18:15.44nevcairielindeed
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18:15.54nevcairieljust needs a few idiots to ruin the fight
18:15.57rljohnwe had an epic defile near-wipe last week on our mains
18:16.01rljohnWe had to tank LK on the stairs
18:16.05rljohnand wait for the defile to leave
18:16.20rljohnSome people are just so bad at the game it keeps me up at night
18:16.22Repo10green-range: 03Morsker 04v1.0 * r5 : Tagging as v1.0
18:16.33arkanes_we made a LK attempt in our gdkp, 3 people didn't move for plague and the first defile wave covered the platform
18:16.42rljohnheh
18:17.13arkanes_not even the second one, which is usually the one that gets people
18:17.19Pneumatusi've given up hope of killing him on heroic now though
18:17.24rljohnas have I
18:17.29rljohnwe have Bane of the Fallen King, good enough for me
18:17.29quiescensyou can do it~!
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18:17.36Repo10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r970 Ace3.toc: Bump toc
18:17.43quiescensjust come back when you're level 105
18:17.55rljohnmaking 10m equal to 25 is the best thing that Blizzard will ever do
18:17.56Pneumatuswe have bane as well, but i think the best we've managed on 25 was about 50%
18:18.13Pneumatus2nd defile in p2 cripples us
18:18.18Pneumatusas it coincides with valks
18:18.24rljohnyeah people just herp derps all over phase 2
18:18.25arkanes_yep thats the one that always gets people
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18:18.36rljohnlike I even made them download the addon that turns your screen Green if you don't have defile
18:18.37rljohnand red if you do
18:18.42rljohnand they still just run in circles
18:18.53arkanes_the first big threshold in the fight is managing the first transition, and the second one is that second defile
18:18.56Repo10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 4.4.2-27-g691c679 / (13 files in 3 directories): [+15 commits] (11 truncated)
18:18.58Repo691c679: Implemented "Auto Assist" mode for the new LAB-1.0 buttons.
18:18.59Repod49aa1a: Set the tooltip option on the button as well.
18:19.00Repo2ba194b: Don't need to update *everything* when just changing colors.
18:19.01Repo9c925f9: Apply our color and range configuration to the LAB-1.0 buttons.
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18:19.10quiescensyay circles~
18:19.22rljohnthat or the dumbasses that just run straight for the middle
18:20.09arkanes_we had 2 different people drop ice tombs on the raid on sindragosa last week
18:20.14Repo10postal: 03Xinhuan * r310 Modules/Select.lua:
18:20.15RepoErr... The Select module shouldn't be referencing the Keep Free Space setting of the OpenAll module. Copy/paste for the lose.
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18:20.34arkanes_and the funny thing is that both of those 2 people have their frostwyrms and done the fight a million times
18:21.07arkanes_thats what sexting during the air phase will do to you
18:21.12Repo10postal: 03Xinhuan * r311 Postal.toc: Update version to 3.4.2
18:21.36Repo10postal: 03Xinhuan 04v3.4.2 * r312 : Tag release v3.4.2.
18:21.44Repo10libactionbutton-1-0: 03Nevcairiel 040.2 * fafc898 /: [new tag] Tag as 0.2
18:22.39Repo10targetpercent: 03funkydude 04v1.32 * r15 : Tagging as v1.32
18:23.14Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03kagaro * r8 BloodShieldTracker.lua:
18:23.15Repocode updates, added mastery vent and talent check for imp DS
18:23.32durcynhttp://wow.joystiq.com/2010/10/12/known-issues-with-patch-4-0-1/#continued heh.
18:23.49Repo10brez: 03funkydude 04v1.11 * r8 : Tagging as v1.11
18:24.12arkanes_kagaro: you get your aura header working?
18:25.26Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03kagaro * r9 BloodShieldTracker.lua: imp ds now checks ranks to determine percentage.
18:25.31kagarono not yet
18:25.46kagaroright now helping talryn with blood shield tracing
18:25.58quiescenso.o
18:26.08quiescenswhat is a blood shield
18:26.16arkanes_quiescens: blood DK mastery
18:26.18kagaroDK mastery bonus
18:26.29Pneumatushow big is the final download on US after the preload?
18:26.32kagarosince i tank as a dk I kinda want get it working
18:26.48arkanes_hmm
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18:26.53ShefkiWish the new launcher was smart enough to realize that a local machine has the entire patch to just pull it from there rather than trying to pull some from the network.
18:26.57arkanes_I should write a space invaders clone for showing shields
18:27.03quiescenswhat does it do?
18:27.14durcynShefki: you copied over the Updates directory?
18:27.14ShefkiIt'll pull chunks from the other machine but still will download the majority from the network.
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18:27.23Repo10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 4.4.2-29-ge4b365a / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
18:27.24Connor_Is dual spec 100 gold yet?
18:27.25Repoe4b365a: Check if we have LBF before trying to skin buttons.
18:27.26Repo21339fa: Removed old action button code.
18:27.31arkanes_calculate average incoming DPS, calculate all shields on me, and show a series of shields being shot through
18:27.41Shefkidurcyn: I did after it said my primary machine was done.
18:27.49arkanes_Shefki: if you blackhole BT traffic in your router it should copy it
18:27.50ShefkiBut now it thinks there is 300 MB more to download on both machines.
18:27.51durcynShefki: the entire tree, then?  weird.
18:28.02Repo10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07cataclysm *  /: [deleted]
18:28.10durcynthe initial patch was 12942, there _is_ an incremental afterwards
18:28.39ShefkiYeah I don't know this new launcher is weird, it thinks you have a full download and closing it and reopening will make it find new stuff.
18:28.44ShefkiDid the same thing to me on beta.
18:28.49arkanes_yeah that happened a lot
18:28.59Repo10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 044.4.9 * 9a932b6 /: [new tag] Tag as 4.4.9
18:29.06arkanes_I also had persistent issues with it corrupting its caches, causing wow to crash on startup
18:29.07Funkeh`girlfriend is actuallly selling glyphs and gems that will be gone tomorow
18:29.10Connor_[13:29] <Connor_> Is dual spec 100 gold yet?
18:29.12Funkeh`who buys this stuff
18:29.12Connor_:S
18:29.14Funkeh`facepalm
18:29.22PneumatusFunkeh`: they all get converted to something
18:29.23Connor_Funkeh` I forgot to get glyphs for my priest
18:29.24Aikargone tomorrow?
18:29.36Aikarthought it was gone today
18:29.38durcynFunkeh`: there's a lot of money to be made in glyphs now, regardless of conversion
18:29.38Parnic|WorkConnor_: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27189088805&sid=1
18:29.40arkanes_I made a bank tab full of glyphs that I will list
18:29.43durcynPneumatus: some are just vendor trash
18:29.44arkanes_Aikar: EU is tomorrow
18:29.45sbuAikar: EU
18:29.55Pneumatusdurcyn, the odd glyph is but no gems are
18:30.01MegalonFunkeh`: glyphs will get converted
18:30.03Connor_!!!!!! 100 gold dual spec!
18:30.13arkanes_I also made a bunch of int gems
18:30.21Connor_Thanks Parnic|Work
18:30.33Pneumatuscheaper to make int gems than sp gems
18:30.36durcynPneumatus: speaking of gems, are they still not backporting the new recipes?
18:30.50Pneumatuslike the mastery gems?
18:30.57Pneumatusand the new combos?
18:30.59durcynlike blue hit, and the resultant combinations
18:31.02arkanes_no mastery gems as far as I know
18:31.09arkanes_I think the combos exist
18:31.11Parnic|Worki'm sad that my scribe will have to learn new glyphs again. i had everything learned before the patch
18:31.24Pneumatusgems that currently have hit on as yellow will turn into blue-type hit gems
18:31.32durcynoh, hm.
18:31.39Pneumatussame as anything with int on turns from a yellow-type gem to a red-type gem
18:31.45arkanes_Parnic|Work: I'm pretty sure if you had them all learned, the only new ones will be on the vendor
18:31.53Parnic|Workah, hopefully
18:32.17Repo10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.3.10 / (4 files in 2 directories): [+6 commits] (2 truncated)
18:32.18Repo6e7c316: Fix some whitespace errors.
18:32.19Repoa7aa381: Move "Show Digsites" checkbox.
18:32.19Pneumatusthere are a few weird anomalies though, like int/sp (orange) gems turning into int/spi (purple) rather than full int
18:32.23Repo2020b22: Do the same secure trickery to the Archaeology blob frame as the quest blob frame.
18:32.24Repo2f78f94: remove UTF-8 BOM
18:32.31Repo10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 041.3.10 * 49adf1f /: [new tag] Tag as 1.3.10
18:32.34Pneumatushttp://reviveandrejuvenate.blogspot.com/2010/10/gem-conversions-for-401.html
18:32.57arkanes_in the ptr you would end up with duplicate recipies in your tradeskill too
18:32.59Pneumatusoh, infact according to that sheet int/sp turns into int
18:33.10arkanes_if you knew, say, sp/stam and int/stam
18:33.15Shefkiarkanes_: Blackholing Bittorrent might be worthwhile.
18:33.19arkanes_you'll have 2 int/stams
18:33.23Megalonhttps://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Al3uxHrPT-t2dFFrOUhJTHdqcHZzZVM1WnViU24zTkE&sort=name&layout=list&num=50&pli=1
18:33.40ShefkiI hope they fixed Insect Swarm for live.
18:33.50nevcairielwhat was wrong with it?
18:33.56ShefkiCouldn't learn it.
18:34.02ShefkiSpellbook said I didn't have it.
18:34.05ShefkiTrainer said I already did.
18:34.10nevcairielMine worked
18:34.18ShefkiAll my copies were broken.
18:34.18nevcairielMight as well been a copy mistake
18:34.19Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03kagaro * r10 BloodShieldTracker.lua:
18:34.20RepoMore updates so when we switch to a non blood spec we hide away the bars and stop event processing
18:34.27ShefkiAnd I had like 3 or 4.
18:34.32ShefkiMade at various points in time.
18:35.14nevcairielshrugs
18:35.28arkanes_since I'm thinking about secure frames, is there a generic way to hook the creation of secure frames by a secure header, or am I just stuck with trying to postprocess stuff in the secureauraheader?
18:35.29Repo10hotcandy: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.6.2 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+4 commits]
18:35.30Repoe3462b1: Fix spellid of the Earthliving buff.
18:35.31Repo5eb1519: Remove invalid talent/glyph bonus calculations.
18:35.31Pneumatushmm, wowlua needs to be taken out of the curse wowinterface feed i think
18:35.35Repo87bf1b4: Updated toc.
18:35.36Repodf7406e: Updated spells for 4.0 changes.
18:35.37Pneumatusits showing up twice for me in curse client now :o
18:35.43arkanes_I can't figure out how to size the buttons it creates in any way except hardcoded in the XML
18:35.46Repo10hotcandy: 03Nevcairiel 041.6.2 * 79e9d2f /: [new tag] Tag as 1.6.2
18:35.48Repo10hotcandy: 03Nevcairiel 07cataclysm *  /: [deleted]
18:35.58Shefkiarkanes_: SecureAuraHeader is lacking that feature of the normal groups.
18:36.02Shefkiarkanes_: So yes you're stuck.
18:36.05arkanes_hooray
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18:36.47Pneumatusit makes me sad that once again green gems will become basically redundant :<
18:36.53ShefkiI'm just glad they finally let you select the monitor theh game runs on.
18:37.09Pneumatusthey have? :o
18:37.14ShefkiYup.
18:37.18rljohnoh neat
18:37.22rljohni was using ultramon i think
18:37.23rljohnto swap
18:37.27ShefkiI can stop playing my arrangement games to get it to run on somethihng other than my primary monitor.
18:37.27Pneumatusi'm so used to SHIFT+WIN+arrow'ing it
18:37.36Repo10quartz: 03Nevcairiel 07cataclysm *  /: [deleted]
18:37.47Repo10quartz: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 3.0.4 / (8 files in 2 directories): [+6 commits] (2 truncated)
18:37.48Repoa039827: Fix a typo
18:37.49Repo955e96f: Removed some leftover Set*Tile calls.
18:37.53Repo850144c: Replaced all StatusBar frames by QuartzStatusBar which fixes the texture tiling/growing issue.
18:37.54Repob6ed303: Rip out all references to spell ranks.
18:37.55quiescenseveryone seems to play games windowed these days
18:38.00arkanes_I'm glad they finally added full screen windowed to the mac client
18:38.00Repo10quartz: 03Nevcairiel 043.0.4 * fcb20b4 /: [new tag] Tag as 3.0.4
18:38.13ShefkiHuh, we've had full screen windowed.
18:38.19Repo10basic-minimap: 03funkydude * r97 BasicMinimap.toc: bump to 40000
18:38.26Pneumatusquiescens: there's no other sensible way to play with multi-monitors :P
18:38.26arkanes_in windows, yeah
18:38.27nevcairielI actualy switched back to true fullscreen a while ago
18:38.40Shefkiarkanes_: I'm on a Mac, I've used that mode forever.
18:38.58arkanes_Shefki: I dunno then, I haven't had it until 4.0
18:39.09arkanes_maybe some driver/card combo thing
18:39.13Repo10ipop-bar: 03Xinhuan * r89 readme.txt:
18:39.14RepoGet rid of the readme.txt file. It is annoying to update it with patch notes.
18:39.16Pneumatusanyone come across a list of glyph conversions for 4.0?
18:39.24durcynhttp://reviveandrejuvenate.blogspot.com/2010/10/gem-conversions-for-401.html
18:39.29durcynoh, glyph
18:39.33ShefkiIt's pretty much your only viable choice if you have a multi-head system and you want to leave the 2nd head free.
18:39.33durcynand that's your link.  fuck.
18:39.38Pneumatushaha
18:39.38quiescenslol
18:39.47quiescensapplauds
18:40.22Slaymannew Guildinterface gives me nerdgasm lol :D
18:40.43arkanes_I really need to get another monitor hooked up
18:40.45Pneumatusassuming the guild interface is the one we currently have on beta, its horribly buggy still
18:41.01arkanes_and figure out how to get wow to span both of them, but with the viewport locked to only one
18:41.16Shefkiarkanes_: Don't think you can do that on the Mac.
18:41.22arkanes_sad :(
18:41.26Pneumatuswhat on earth do you want a whole screen of non-viewport for :o
18:41.26ShefkiAt least you couldn't.
18:41.34ShefkiThings could have changed now.
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18:41.34arkanes_Pneumatus: full screen hudmap
18:42.08arkanes_with all the party tracking options on, so I can record it and play it back for post-fight analysis
18:42.10Repo10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel * r734 / (4 files in 1 directory): Merge cataclysm branch
18:42.25Repo10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel * r735 sRaidFrames.toc: Bump Toc
18:42.33Pneumatusit's not really a hud when you go shoving it off to a whole other screen though :P
18:42.38arkanes_well yes
18:42.59Repo10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel 07cataclysm * r736 : Delete old branch
18:43.14arkanes_Pneumatus: hudmap has modules that show your entire raid, what they're casting and on who, but it's too much noise for me to watch actively during the raid
18:43.30arkanes_but being able to record it and then play it back afterward would be awesome
18:43.38arkanes_"here you can see Bob standing in the defile"
18:44.46arkanes_speaking of viewports, anyone know if they fixed them?
18:45.07Repo10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel 042.0.6 * r737 : Tag as 2.0.6
18:45.36arkanes_last I checked on the PTR some stuff like skyboxes weren't correctly rendering if the viewport was smaller than the wow window
18:45.52Repo10sraidframesindicators: 03Nevcairiel * r32 sRaidFramesIndicators.toc: Bump toc and version to indicate it still works
18:46.34Repo10sraidframesindicators: 03Nevcairiel 041.2 * r33 : Tag as 1.2
18:47.34Repo10basic-minimap: 03funkydude 04v1.73 * r98 : Tagging as v1.73
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18:51.31Repo10simple-unit-frames: 03Pneumatus * r125 .pkgmeta: Remove FocusFrame from optdeps.
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18:56.01Repo10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r971 changelog.txt: Update changelog
18:56.42Repo10ace3: 03Nevcairiel 04Release-r971 * r972 : Tag r971 as release
18:56.59durcyn!api GetPrimaryTalentTree
18:56.59lua_botCould not find a match for 'GetPrimaryTalentTree'.
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18:57.18nevcairielIf thats a new one in 4.0, it didnt have all of those yet, iirc
18:57.21Shefkidurcyn: no args
18:57.25ShefkiReturns 1, 2 or 3
18:57.32ShefkiTrees are numbered left to right.
18:58.18ShefkiIf you want to update when that will change use MASTERY_UPDATE event.
18:58.41durcynno, it takes args, but seems to be limited to inspect targets
18:59.13ShefkiOhh yeah it might have args to specify target for inspection.
18:59.25ShefkiNo args will give current player though.
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18:59.39durcynwas attempting to display specializations on tooltips, but I'd like to avoid inspection.  no dice there.
19:00.18Shefkidurcyn: Auras may help you in some cases.
19:00.24Torhalnebula: Try AdiBags
19:00.38nevcairielauras to determine spec?
19:00.40durcynShefki: are the mastery bonuses hidden auras?
19:00.58ShefkiProbably, but don't think there's a way to query them.
19:01.21ShefkiI just mean quite a few classes get buffs that aren't hidden by spec.
19:01.36Shefkie.g. a Moonkin is obviously a Balance druid.
19:02.11durcynbut not reliably.  i may as well just inspect again at that point, which is what I'm trying to get away from in the first place
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19:03.33Shefkidurcyn: :(
19:03.51Repo10spell-reminder: 03oridan * r199 SpellReminder.toc: SpellReminder:
19:03.52Repo- bump toc to cataclysm
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19:04.08durcynShefki: not like tooltip talent display was really ever worth much to start with
19:04.24Shefki*nod*
19:06.26Megalonbut i really wanna know if that moonkin is balance specced or not
19:06.34Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03kagaro * r11 / (2 files in 1 directory):
19:06.35RepoFixed talent check, double slashed were having it not detect proper spec. Toc update
19:08.29durcyni do like that they're using it in the character and inspect frames, though
19:09.04SlaymanI just vendored some 12 Stacks of Epic Arrows ;(
19:09.45Slaymanand yet I'm EXCITED
19:10.06nevcairiel3 hours to server down
19:10.39Repo10spell-reminder: 03oridan 04v2.2 * r200 : SpellReminder:
19:10.41Repo- tag as v2.2 cataclysm release
19:10.47Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03talryn1 * r12 BloodShieldTracker.lua:
19:10.48RepoCreated variable for some values.  Cleaned up some code.  Added DS_SPELL_HEAL.
19:10.53durcynhaha, extended to 2 PDT, who didn't see that coming
19:11.01Slaymanmy Priest is so vanilla He doesn't have a mount slower then 100% ;D
19:11.15Repo10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r217 / (2 files in 1 directory): fix an error with the urlcopy popup, bump to 40000
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19:12.18Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03kagaro * r13 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Fixed lock option
19:13.07Repo10loggerhead: 03rsmozang * r111 LoggerHead.toc: Removed dependencies for BabbleZone and TouristLib
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19:16.00Pneumatussylvanaar: has prat been altered to fix the anchoring of the buttons yet? mine keep getting anchored wrong and need me to scroll to make them sort themselves out
19:16.20steev"Applying non-critical updates. This will take some time."
19:16.35Repo10big-brother: 03oscarucb 043.1.0 * r239 : Tagging as 3.1.0
19:16.51SlaymanI'm not sad to see arcane go for good
19:22.00Repo10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude 04v4.05 * r218 : Tagging as v4.05
19:23.00SlaymanAm I glad I saved my tv shows from today for tomorrow to kill my boredom :D
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19:36.39Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03kagaro * r14 BloodShieldTracker.lua:
19:36.40RepoStatus bar now reflects precents and depltes as your shield is consumed.
19:38.48Repo10stat-block-core: 03funkydude * r34 StatBlockCore.toc: bump to 40000
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19:47.24Shefkihttp://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/800-right-clicking-buff-does-not-cancel-it/
19:47.28ShefkiReally!
19:47.29ShefkiAlready.
19:47.31ShefkiGood god.
19:48.05ulicthey've just been lurking and waiting for you make a release :)
19:49.26ulicyou better put that on the main page or something as known issues or something
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19:49.40asmodaiShefki: the bane of your existence!
19:49.53DrazisilOk, can someone please point me to working directions on how to use git with putty? Because I fail.
19:50.10Shefkiulic: I've got a post I'm working on to put up with details like that.
19:50.15Shefkiulic: But the servers aren't even up yet.
19:50.39ulicmaybe they noticed on ptr/beta and are just slow to post :)
19:50.46Parnic|Workshefki: i put a pop-up message in game when the player tries to right click buffs explaining why it doesn't work :P
19:50.49Parnic|Workevery single time they click one.
19:50.58ShefkiParnic|Work: Great idea.
19:51.12ShefkiParnic|Work: I'll be sure to parent it to UIParent and do SetAllPoints on the frame too.
19:51.27Parnic|Workhahaha
19:52.16ShefkiOhh and Strata DIALOG
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19:52.24Fiskerhey Parnic|Work
19:53.22nevcairielseriously, 5 tickets already from stupid EUians
19:53.32nevcairieli should close tickets until EU has the patch
19:53.39Fiskerno
19:54.12Fiskeryou should fix auto updating
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19:55.10Parnic|WorkFisker: you should enjoy what just autoupdated.
19:55.14Parnic|Workbecause it's exactly what you were demanding.
19:55.24steeveuians?
19:55.54nevcairiel4 hours before downtime i release the update
19:55.58nevcairieland they manage to update to it
19:56.14durcyni update your addons from source control every 30 seconds, nevcairiel
19:56.33Fiskeri download my addons through time travel
19:56.51Fiskernevcairiel still haven't fixed Bartender4 for 5.0.1
19:56.59nevcairielnop
19:57.12Fiskeri will sleep
19:57.14dafireeverybody has to learn that updating addons in eu when us is already patched is fail .. :)
19:57.15Fiskeror maybe i won't
19:57.33Parnic|Workfisker: you don't seem excited.
19:57.38Parnic|Workunless you weren't talking about borderlands
19:57.40Fiskerclient should learn that updating addons in eu when the patch isn't out is silly
19:58.01Fiskerexcited for what Parnic|Work ?
19:58.08Parnic|Workoh, nevermind then.
19:58.11Parnic|Worki'll let you figure it out on your own
19:58.32dafireno it's ok .. i usually update my addons before i go to bed.. since tomorrow all download sites will be down :)
19:59.17Fiskerhaha jerks
19:59.23Fisker[65959] Duke Nukem Forever First Access Club Code
19:59.24Fiskerbawww
19:59.32Repo10basic-combo-points: 03funkydude * r63 / (2 files in 1 directory): bump to 40000, fix a "this" call.
19:59.42DrazisilCan someone please point me to working directions on how to use git with putty?
19:59.58dafirewhy would you do that ?
20:00.24Parnic|WorkFisker: code + a PDF map for everyone that bought base game + all 4 dlc's on steam.
20:00.25Parnic|Workyou're welcome.
20:00.26dafireor what has putty to do with git .)
20:00.28nevcairielmsysgit already comes with a installer that sets all variables properly to use it with plink
20:00.41Repo10basic-combo-points: 03funkydude 04v3.26 * r64 : Tagging as v3.26
20:00.41Fiskerpdf map?
20:00.44dafireah.. for tunneling
20:00.45Parnic|Workpdf map.
20:00.46nevcairielpreferable the plink in tortoise svn though
20:01.00durcyndafire: key management, more likely
20:01.04Drazisilfor whatever reason, my copy skipped that screen that asked me ssh options
20:01.06dafiredoesn't it comes with openssh ?
20:01.22Drazisilhow should I do it on windows?
20:01.25dafirei think that would be easier
20:01.29Drazisilif not putty
20:01.31durcyncygwin.
20:01.35Fiskerwhere is it located Parnic|Work ?
20:01.35nevcairielcygwin sucks
20:01.41nevcairielit screws up all your file permissions
20:01.43dafireputty is only for remote work... cygwin is fine
20:01.54Parnic|Workfisker: beats me. i was just told by someone here that it exists. :P
20:01.55durcyndafire: putty isn't just the terminal client.
20:02.11dafiredurcyn: putty.exe is :)
20:02.25nevcairielplink with pageant felt always smoother to me then trying to use openssh on windows
20:02.27Drazisilok, to rephrase my question, in windows, what is the best way to use curseforge with git?
20:02.33nebulamsysgit includes a mingw environment
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20:03.10Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03kagaro * r15 BloodShieldTracker.lua:
20:03.11RepoAdded a config mode, renamed some of the options to be more precise. added some text so you know what the bar your looking at represents
20:03.45dafirei use openssh
20:04.45dafirebut guess that's because i use my ssh key on more then one platform .9
20:05.01nevcairielin any case, its pretty trivial, whatever ssh client you use, upload your public key to the CF website, add your priv key into your ssh key manager, and get cracking
20:05.07nevcairieldafire: putty has tools to convert them =)
20:05.19nebulaindeed, its perfectly portable
20:05.44Parnic|Workfisker: it should be under the borderlands steam dir as "pandora map" or something. if not, a cache integrity verification might fix it. i dunno, sounds like a valve problem ;)
20:06.50dafireif you want to use openssh just open a git window and enter "cd" to get to your home directory. with "ssh-keygen" you can generate a new key. change directory to ".ssh" there you find the id_rsa.pub that contains your key you have to put into curseforge
20:07.09Drazisilnevcairiel: Tried, but I get getting Connection abandoned. fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
20:07.10Fiskershould've updated but yeah there's a reference to "borderlands_pandora_map" in the steam files but i can't find it in the directory
20:07.17DrazisilI assumed that was an ssh issue
20:07.18dafireah
20:07.28dafireuse putty and connect to curseforge.com
20:07.47dafirethe problem is that the host is not know to plink and that will fail
20:07.50Fiskerwhere do we register the key btw?
20:07.55FiskerSteam or some site you put up in the future?
20:07.59nevcairielactually plink should show the error in the console
20:08.10nevcairielyou just can't press the accept button through that pipe
20:08.27nevcairielbut thats where tortoiseplink comes in, it shows a dialog box :d
20:08.37Parnic|Workfisker: my assumption is (and i have no evidence to support this so it's just me guessing) that ownership of that app id for the early access code will grant you the demo on steam whenever it bceomes available
20:08.38Fiskeranyone else having issues with no people being online on messenger?
20:08.45Fiskeri got a cd-key too
20:08.47Fiskerhttp://imgur.com/BaJiy.png
20:09.05durcyncd-key for what huh where
20:09.10Drazisilnevcairiel: did that, accepted key, same error
20:09.12Parnic|Workyou got a cd key but don't own all 4 dlc's?
20:09.13Parnic|Workuh oh.
20:09.17durcynoh, you bought borderlands again?
20:09.27durcynchump.
20:09.47dafiredurcyn: try to connect to curseforge.com using putty.exe ... if it asks to store the host press yes .)
20:09.50nevcairielDrazisil: try loging in with the "git" user directly over ssh
20:09.51FiskerParnic|Work i do
20:10.00nevcairielif it works, you broke something else
20:10.03Fiskerthey just went away from their batshit insane securom shit after the 2nd DLC
20:10.09dafireaw .)
20:10.11Fiskeratleast with Steam copies
20:10.12durcyndafire: do what?
20:10.22nevcairiel(works means it shows you some message about no git command being supplied)
20:10.22dafirei meant Drazisil
20:10.23dafire.)
20:10.41FiskerSo that means the first 2 DLC copies i have had cd-keys so i could "unlock it"
20:10.52Parnic|Workgotcha
20:10.54FiskerThen we all found out, why the fuck should we have additional copy protection for DLC?
20:10.58Drazisilnevcairiel: I'm not sure how to do that, just ssh git@curseforge.com?
20:11.02FiskerAnd the next 2 DLCs came without keys and securom
20:11.20Parnic|Workthen my understanding is that that key is not redeemable right this second but will be eventually
20:11.23nevcairielWell are you using putty or openssh now? :p
20:11.26nevcairielbut try that, sure
20:11.30durcynFisker: they didn't use steamworks for dlc, is the problem
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20:11.41durcynbecause gamespy paid them $$$ to use their shitty matchmaking service etc
20:11.43Parnic|Workdurcyn: we didn't use steamworks for the game so why use it for the dlc? :)
20:11.51Parnic|Workdurcyn: gamespy did not pay us money
20:11.51dafireDrazisil: if you use plink you should use putty .)
20:12.01durcynParnic|Work: i can think of no other reason to use gamespy
20:12.05durcynParnic|Work: enlighten me
20:12.13Parnic|Workdurcyn: because UE3 comes with it already integrated.
20:12.24durcynunless you LIKE your users to not be able to use multiplayer
20:12.28durcynwhat a pile of shit
20:12.35FiskerAgree with durcyn
20:12.46Fiskeratleast we can all take solace in the fact that UE3 now comes with Steamworks integrated
20:12.54Parnic|Workwe understand that gamespy is not desirable. we're doing something about that in the future
20:12.58durcyni had to install a hamachi vpn
20:13.02durcynand use lan play
20:13.10Parnic|Workdurcyn: did you try after patch 1.21?
20:13.11Drazisildafire: So I connected to git@curseforge.com with puty and it said not auth methods avail
20:13.11Fiskersteamworks Parnic|Work
20:13.16Fiskergonna be awesome
20:13.17arkanesso what you mean is that gamespy paid *epic* money :P
20:13.30durcyni assume there was back scratching _somewhere_
20:13.34FiskerI actually thought the reason why you didn't do Steamworks multiplayer was because you had a contract with gamespy or something
20:13.44Fiskeryou did do steamworks achievements and such
20:13.50durcynshows what assuming things gets you, sorry Parnic|Work
20:14.00Parnic|Workmy understanding is that epic had an existing relationship with gamespy
20:14.06arkanesthere was a time like 10 years ago when gamespy decided they were going to be an awesome online matchmaking service and spend a bunch of money on that
20:14.08Parnic|Workfisker: yes, i did that on my own, actually.
20:14.13arkanesso it probably dates to that
20:14.14Fisker:o
20:14.26FiskerThe worst thing is that Gamespy was NEVER good
20:14.29Fisker_never_
20:14.38arkaneslook on the bright side
20:14.40durcyndidn't they buy out The All-Seeing-Eye a while back?
20:14.43dafireDrazisil: then something is wrong with your putty.. you should get a host waring and after that a connection asking for your username
20:14.55arkanesif gamespy hadn't sucked so bad, valve and MS never would have gotten their shit together
20:14.59durcynthat was a pretty good server browser back before steam existed
20:15.00steevheh
20:15.06steevtotally forgot about this til last night
20:15.19steevwe're not allowed to tell the roommate's girlfriend about the dual spec cost change
20:15.19Parnic|Workthe difference is that gamespy is designed to be integrated directly into the game and not used as an external service like LIVE or steam
20:15.33FiskerMicrosoft are like the ralphs of online distribution
20:15.37dafiregamespy was cool before it was overloaded with shit ... i remember we used something call all seeing eye or something instead .)
20:15.40Parnic|Work"back in the day" that was awesome because PC's couldn't handle doing a lot at once :)
20:15.43steevshe bought dual spec instead of cold weather flying
20:15.44Parnic|Workbut steam makes that much easier
20:15.45arkanessteev: that seems an incredibly odd thing to hide from someone
20:16.00Drazisildafire: Right, and after I choose git as the username I get "Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available"
20:16.00steevbut if she had waited, she could have both
20:16.01Fiskerstil took ASE over GSA anytime a day
20:16.09RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/squire2/. Squire2. Adirelle (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
20:16.09Fiskerback in the day most people had their own masterservers though
20:16.15RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace-gui-3-0-action-slot-widgets/. AceGUI-3.0-ActionSlotWidgets. Adirelle (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
20:16.23arkaneswell in fairness steam is pretty crappy too
20:16.27Drazisilor am I supposted to be using MY username?
20:16.33dafireDrazisil: hmm... then try git again with plink if it works now
20:16.37Fiskerwanna fight about it arkanes ?
20:16.40arkanesalthough mostly in the sense that all software is terrible
20:16.45Parnic|Workarkanes: agree. my least favorite thing about steam is forgetting to put it in "offline mode" while i'm still online
20:16.51dafireDrazisil: it was just so putty would learn the host key from the server
20:16.51arkanesas opposed to gamespys thing, which seems *intentionally* awful
20:16.57Parnic|Worktrying to start steam after i lose my internet connection or leave for vacation is horrible
20:17.16arkanesParnic|Work: I spent 2 days once trying to convince steam to download the last 100mb of one of my games
20:17.31Torhalsteams Fisker.
20:17.41arkanesI ended up just deleting it and starting over
20:17.45Shefkihttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27188060645&sid=1
20:17.46ShefkiOhh god.
20:17.47Parnic|Worki also think it needs some serious usability improvements. the recent ui upgrade was a huge step in the right direction but it needs more
20:17.51ShefkiThat's gonna be a mess.
20:18.00durcynParnic|Work: threading, please
20:19.37Fiskerbtw Parnic
20:19.40Fiskerstill can't find it
20:19.48Fiskerbut i think i might have an idea why
20:19.51durcynwhat exactly are you missing, Fisker?
20:20.01durcynyou should have 4 cd keys in steam that you can c/p into the game
20:20.03Parnic|Worki know fisker :). several of us having the same problem. it works for some but not all
20:20.14durcynand i don't care to read your scrollback, so
20:20.17Parnic|Worki still blame valve
20:20.47durcynParnic|Work: also, any plans of making duke access available to people who already _have_ all of the borderlands content? >_>
20:20.51Parnic|Workdurcyn: a new PDF of Borderlands's Pandora should have downloaded for Steam users that have the game and all 4 dlc's
20:20.54FiskerAppname: Duke Nukem Forever First Access Club Code
20:20.59Fiskerinstalldir: borderlands_pandora_map
20:21.02Parnic|Workdurcyn: that just happened. if you bought them all on steam
20:21.03Fiskerherp derp
20:21.12durcynParnic|Work: oh?  i should go read things.  cool.
20:21.13Parnic|Workthat went live ~30mins ago
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20:23.15Fiskerholy shit
20:23.26Parnic|Workdude, look at the tree?
20:24.16Fiskerhttp://imgur.com/IRkEU.png <-did not at all like what i tried to do
20:24.42Parnic|Workh4x
20:25.13durcynsweet, there's the key in the dlc list.  thanks for not making me pay twice =P
20:25.46Fiskeranyway
20:25.52Fiskeri'd figure you'd have to look in that direction
20:26.03Fiskerthe files itself is attached to the DNF app, which we can't install yet
20:26.30Parnic|Workfisker: tell valve :P
20:26.56Fiskerthe people i know aren't online
20:27.14arkanesyou have 29 friends, it says so right there
20:27.25Parnic|Workwell you're going to be disappointed after all this work P
20:28.24Parnic|WorkTom from Denmark, eh?
20:28.24Fiskeri should've slept by now
20:28.40Parnic|Work15.2 hours in borderlands? lame.
20:28.45Parnic|Workclearly you weren't committed to it
20:28.48FiskerI'm no Tom!
20:28.57Parnic|Workdo you prefer Thomas?
20:29.00Fiskeryeah
20:29.03Parnic|Worksorry
20:29.05arkanesthe tank engine?
20:29.06FiskerAnyway that was before they tracked stats
20:29.17Fiskerprobably spent 30-40 hours in the beginning
20:29.20Parnic|Worki didn't know people were from denmark.
20:29.22Fiskerthen the rest here is mostly from the new DLC
20:29.25Parnic|Workthat is a place that exists?
20:29.33Drazisilyay
20:29.36Fisker:(
20:29.44Drazisilthanks :)
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20:30.25durcynParnic|Work: thanks for adding the steam achievements after i've already played through four times on one character, by the way :|
20:30.43Parnic|Workdurcyn: you're welcome for adding retroactive unlocks for most achievements.
20:30.56KillmoreWeÂ’re now estimating maintenance to be completed and realms available by 4:00 p.m. PDT. WeÂ’re working to get you in-game as quickly as possible. Thank you for your patience.
20:30.58Killmore:(
20:31.01durcynbut
20:31.03arkanesI should probably get borderlands some time
20:31.18durcynarkanes: it's actually pretty good, despite any kvetching you may have just witnessed
20:31.20arkanesis it entirely awesome?
20:31.29Parnic|Workyay :)
20:31.35arkanesdurcyn: I understand that it's basically diablo with guns crossed with fallout
20:31.42durcyni'm all for adding persistence to shooters, and gearbox did it well
20:32.17Repo10basicbuffs: 03funkydude * r38 / (4 files in 1 directory): Make it work in v4 hopefully, bump to 40000
20:32.31Galvindo we still need the blizzard addons in the addons folder?
20:32.33durcynand i'll give propers to anyone releasing a pc game that isn't a shitastic console port
20:32.49durcynGalvin: they'll be replaced when you next load, do what you want with them
20:33.22Parnic|Workhmm, let's see...
20:33.28Parnic|Worki may have a few keys for borderlands...
20:33.49Stanzillacool :o
20:34.24starlonIs the forum server having trouble today?
20:34.38Repo10basicbuffs: 03funkydude 04v2.1 * r39 : Tagging as v2.1
20:34.41starlonI noticed it's noisy in here.
20:34.45orionshockrealms still down i take it?
20:34.55Parnic|Workmaintenance extended til 4pm
20:34.56starlonyeah I think till 2
20:35.02starlonah they raised it
20:35.35arkanesParnic|Work: how much of a tool would I be if I got borderlands on the 360 instead of pc?
20:35.48Shefkifaceplams over whoerever wrote the new raid frames.
20:35.52Parnic|Workarkanes: you'd be quite smart. achievements ftw :P
20:35.56steevParnic|Work: 4pm pst? or central
20:36.05Parnic|Workarkanes: plus the GOTY edition just came out today with all 4 dlc's
20:36.11Parnic|Worksteev: 4pm PST. they just extended it
20:36.11arkaneshmm interesting
20:36.16steevnice
20:36.39starlonI was just making sure I wasn't being hacked and some chinese was dressing up the forum in dirty images. That sort of thing.
20:38.17Parnic|Workdoes somebody who doesn't already own borderlands want a key for a copy on steam?
20:38.34Primerlooks up borderlands....
20:38.43Parnic|Workaww, really? sad.
20:38.49arkanesugh stupid time machine
20:38.53StanzillaParnic|Work: yes me :D
20:38.59arkanesstop backing up to the same drive I'm installing wow on
20:39.13Primerno, me!
20:39.24Kaeltenhow are we holding up guys?
20:39.31KaeltenPrimer: borderlands is awesome
20:39.31starlonheh
20:39.37Parnic|Work<3 Kaelten
20:39.42KaeltenI've been being pulled every which a way
20:39.44durcynKaelten: did you see the bit about redirects earlier?
20:39.44hasteKaelten: you know what I have to say about borderlands :D ?
20:39.48Kaeltendurcyn: no
20:39.52Kaeltenhaste: no
20:40.05Primersome sort of FPS RPG?
20:40.07hastewine: Bad EXE format for Z:\games\steam\steamapps\common\borderlands\Binaries\Borderlands.exe
20:40.09durcynKaelten: going to wowace.com/addons/somethingorother redirects to www.com instead of www.wowace.com
20:40.10hasteyay after market DRM!
20:40.12Kaeltenoh about the www..com bit?
20:40.17durcynaye
20:40.17KaeltenPrimer: with a kick ass sense of humor
20:40.27Kaeltenhaste: :(
20:40.40Kaeltendurcyn: ya I'm aware, just haven't had time to track it down yet
20:40.50Kaeltenand if mmoc would just stop having so much traffic I could
20:40.51Kaeltenlol
20:40.59Kaeltensites having laod issues with > 40k people surfing
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20:41.36PrimerKaelten: you haven't moved it to the cloud yet?
20:41.51durcynKaelten: are the redirects done in apache?
20:42.29PrimerI recently setup a load balancer at EC2 for scaling...so far it's been working great
20:42.46Primernot the auto scaler, mind you, I still have to do it manually
20:43.03nevcairielKaelten: mmo-c is horribly inefficient anyway. Throw away the damn php front page and make it static html
20:43.06Kaeltendurcyn: no, python
20:43.11arkanesanother guy I know does a lot of work with autoscaling and EC2 instances
20:43.14KaeltenPrimer: we've overloaded our new f5's
20:43.21durcynon, then blame ckknight.
20:43.22Kaeltennevcairiel: it is _insanely_ bad
20:43.23arkaneshe's constantly running into crazy trouble
20:43.31ShefkiKaelten: Using iRules for redirects?
20:43.36KaeltenShefki: no
20:43.54arkanesKaelten: what framework are you guys running on?
20:43.57dafireis it still werkzeug ? :=)
20:44.00Parnic|Workclaptrap web series episode 4 anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3qTjDERrU8
20:44.07Kaeltenarkanes: for which site?
20:44.12ckknightdurcyn: what's all this, then?
20:44.16arkanesKaelten: whichever one is doing those python redirects :P
20:44.26Kaeltenarkanes: ya, it's werkzeug based
20:44.41arkanesusing mod_wsgi?
20:44.56nevcairielhopefully
20:44.59dafirei used python in my last projects but looking into ruby now .)
20:45.01nevcairielall other solutions are crap
20:45.02dafirepadrino looks nice
20:45.07Primerarkanes: such as?
20:45.30Primerarkanes: so far I'm only adding instances manually behind my ELB
20:45.31arkanesPrimer: I can't remember all the details, just that he's constantly trying to troubleshoot problems that don't make sense
20:45.38durcynckknight: just poking the bear, nevermind =P
20:45.41FiskerKaelten i want phase 4 now
20:45.45ckknightrages
20:46.33Repo10loggerhead: 03rsmozang * r113 / (2 files in 1 directory): Updated .toc and .pkgmeta
20:46.48EthanCentauraiGreetings, traveller!
20:46.48arkanesmy preferred python environment is twisted.web running a reverse proxy, rather than wsgi, but then I've never had to write anything that scaled up to the volume that mmo-c or wowace handles
20:47.03Primerarkanes: one thing I did run into with ELB is that the originating IP address is nowhere to be found in the request
20:47.04arkanesI do write non-web stuff that handles similar scales of traffic, though
20:47.08Repo10pyritestacks: 03electronicpunk * r12 PyriteStacks.toc: TOC bump, in case anyone goes to Ulduar
20:47.08Primerno X-Forwarded-For header
20:47.28dafirei love tools like werkzeug, padrino or rails that host their own server for development .)
20:47.34nevcairiela page like mmo-c with a dynamic front page is just asking for trouble
20:47.38durcynarkanes: oh, it gets better, mmo-c is still php
20:47.52durcynbuilt on a horribly hacky newspage mod for smf
20:47.53Repo10broker-uclock: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v3.2.3-12-gd5d055f / (4 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
20:47.54Repod5d055f: Version bump.
20:47.55Repo220ea0f: Remove 3.x compatibility layer.
20:47.57nevcairielany half-useful cms can render your pages to finished html
20:48.16nevcairielsure, you won't get comment counts on the front page
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20:48.18nevcairielbut hey
20:48.25nevcairielwho cares
20:48.25nevcairiel:P
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20:48.32arkanesreally good frameworks can even do the comment counts
20:49.01nevcairielloading them ajaxy?
20:49.14arkanesnevcairiel: well that too, but I was thinking stuff like akamais SSI
20:49.16Repo10ace-gui-3-0-action-slot-widgets: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.0 AceGUI-3.0-ActionSlotWidgets.toc: [+1 commit] TOC bump.
20:49.20Repo10ace-gui-3-0-action-slot-widgets: 03Adirelle 041.0 * 7d7ed0b /: [new tag] Tagging as "1.0".
20:49.22Repo10broker-uclock: 03ethancentaurai 04v3.3 * 4e05fce /: [new tag] Tagging as v3.3.
20:49.59Fiskerbtw Parnic
20:50.07Fiskerdoes appear that everyone gets it regardless of DLC level
20:50.18Parnic|Workthat's what i had heard. fail.
20:50.55Fiskerthe worst part is that this is time i could've spent sleeping
20:51.23Dessasleeping is overrated
20:51.29arkanesapparently I was misremembering, he says it was just one front end machine causing him trouble
20:51.33nevcairielbeing awake is overrated
20:51.54durcynParnic|Work: i had it listed without buying robot revolution, fwiw.  (since rectified, of course.)
20:51.55Repo10chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.1.6-12-g80b087a / (3 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
20:51.57Repo80b087a: Version bump. It's not ready yet, I'm just bored and like making Repo do stuff.
20:51.58Repo7b8474f: Remove 3.x compatilbility layer.
20:52.20Fiskeralready know those guys i heard from wrote it down
20:52.21Fisker:3
20:52.25Parnic|Workdurcyn: which part was rectified, you bought the dlc or it went away? :P
20:52.47durcynParnic|Work: the former, give me some credit here
20:52.53Parnic|Worklol
20:53.07Parnic|Workgood, then my wife and i can eat tonight :P
20:53.41EthanCentauraiParnic|Work: http://www.awkwardzombie.com/comic1-041210.php
20:54.02Parnic|WorkEthanCentaurai: it's funny because it's real.
20:54.08StanzillaKemayo: questpointer is not ready for 4.0, right?
20:54.15Parnic|WorkEthanCentaurai: also, now that i know you are the one that worked on broker_uclock, i'll have to uninstall it.
20:54.16Fiskerhaha what
20:54.26EthanCentaurai:(
20:54.30Fiskerthe non-4pack of the GOTY gives you 3 extra copies
20:54.31Parnic|Work<3
20:55.02FiskerSeems to be quite a mess currently :P
20:55.15Parnic|Worksounds like it. that's all valve.
20:55.17Fiskercould also just be a leftover from copying the wrong sub
20:55.19Fiskerbut still :o
20:55.47Fiskeryou just weren't clear enough when you gave them the stuff
20:55.56Parnic|Workthen let's blame 2k
20:55.59Parnic|Workanybody but me
20:56.09EthanCentauraiI blame Claptrap
20:56.09FiskerIt's not like you said "And people who purchase the single copy should get 3 copies extra, while those who buy the 4pack shouldn't"
20:56.21Fiskerand you didn't say it shouldn't
20:56.48arkanessomeone at valve just screwed up a join condition on their query
20:56.55Fiskeroh well tomorrow i'll wake up to a rebooted machine since it'll restart due to patches, etc.
20:57.37Repo10bison: 03Grayal * r84 Bison.toc: prepare for cata
20:58.15Repo10ouf_adirelle-boss: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v1.0.2-2-g6474d3f / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
20:58.16Repo6474d3f: Version bump.
20:58.17Repo34036d7: Remove the for loops. Because I'm bored.
20:58.26Repo10loggerhead: 03rsmozang 04Release 4.0.114 * r114 : Tagging as Release 4.0.114
20:58.29Repo10bison: 03Grayal 042.0.0-release * r85 : prepare for cata
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21:00.37Repo10sign-on: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.3.11a-1-g4221b4a / (8 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Version bump.
21:00.47Repo10sign-on: 03ethancentaurai 04v2.3.12 * 9691f47 /: [new tag] Tagging as v2.3.12.
21:02.59Repo10classtimer: 03Stanzilla * r343 Bars/Priest.lua: shadow orbz!
21:05.04*** part/#wowace CrazyBenny_ (s_m@a02-0602c.kn.vutbr.cz)
21:05.23EthanCentauraioh derp
21:05.27EthanCentauraiCairenn: ping
21:05.44*** join/#wowace scampbell (~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net)
21:06.44nevcairielShadowed: ping
21:08.23nevcairielShadowed: "Simplistic UnitFrames" by Aviana claims to have approval to use your SUF code to continue development, please confirm
21:09.09Shefkinevcairiel: He gave permission in comments on the SUF wowace page.
21:09.27nevcairieli cba to track soem comments down
21:09.34nevcairielhe can just say yes here :P
21:09.44Shefkihttp://www.wowace.com/addons/shadowed-unit-frames/#c249
21:09.46ShefkiThhere.
21:11.32*** part/#wowace scampbell (~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net)
21:11.40EthanCentauraidoes anyone know how to stop :pink in WowInterface addon descriptions becoming a smiley followed by "ink"?
21:11.48RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/simplistic-unit-frames/. Simplistic Unit Frames. Aviana (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Nevcairiel.
21:11.53*** join/#wowace Connor1 (~Connor@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net)
21:11.55Connor1Servers aren't up yet
21:11.57Connor1Le sigh.
21:12.04nevcairielEthanCentaurai: doesnt it have a disable smileys checkbox?
21:12.47EthanCentauraino
21:13.53EthanCentauraialso it would help if I attached the damn file to the update...
21:14.01EthanCentaurai~fail EthanCentaurai
21:14.01purlEthanCentaurai, you Fail!
21:14.04Connor1...
21:14.09Connor1Servers should be back up when I leave for work
21:14.10Connor1=/
21:14.14Connor16-8
21:14.15Connor1TRUST training
21:14.16Connor1kek
21:14.22Connor1works at Best Buy
21:15.08Repo10blood-shield-tracker (experimental): 03talryn1 * r16 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Added LDB data.  Added variable for Imp DS talent name.
21:16.03Connor1will install STALKER to pass the time
21:16.42RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blood-shield-tracker/. Blood Shield Tracker. talryn1 (Manager/Author), kagaro (Author). Approved by Kaelten.
21:17.45*** join/#wowace TNSe (~evil@ti0042a380-0667.bb.online.no)
21:17.54EthanCentauraiOK I'm bored now.
21:18.01EthanCentauraiI think I'll go play Borderlands.
21:18.11Gnarfoz@project bank-stack
21:18.12RepoGnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bank-stack/. BankStack. Game: WoW. Kemayo (Manager/Author). Updated: 16 hours ago. Tickets: 4/24
21:18.19GnarfozKemayo: poke
21:19.08GnarfozKemayo: nevermind
21:19.12nevcairiellol
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21:19.17GnarfozI held off on updating because US already has 4.0.1 and EU doesn't
21:22.58Repo10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.19a-8-gac2772a / (6 files in 3 directories): [+8 commits] (4 truncated)
21:22.59Repoac2772a: Merge branch 'cataclysm'
21:23.00Repo300e9e9: Merge branch 'master' into cataclysm
21:23.01Repo107aa4a: fix honor-notifications
21:23.02Repoee6e7bf: port cooldowns-module
21:24.13Repo10mob-spells: 03oscarucb * r81 MobSpells.toc: toc update
21:25.06TorhalFuckage. wine: Unhandled page fault on write access to 0x00000069 at address 0x7ef90eca (thread 0009), starting debugger...
21:25.16TorhalSame issue I had with the beta.
21:25.21Killmorewtb replacement idea for elkano's buffbars please :(
21:26.29arkanesKillmore: I'm working on a q&d one that only implements the layout that I personally used
21:26.43profalbertis Ace2 now really dead with 4.0?
21:27.01Torhalprofalbert: Officially unsupported.
21:27.07nevcairielprobably didnt die
21:27.07TorhalIf it dies, it dies.
21:27.10Pneumatusyet still working
21:27.16arkanesmost if not all of it still works
21:27.45profalbertso no difference at all ;)
21:28.26Torhalheaddesks repeatedly.
21:28.44Killmorearkanes: q&d ?
21:28.50arkanesKillmore: quick & dirty
21:28.53Killmoreok
21:29.04Killmoreany screenshot of your UI to see ? :P
21:29.28steevinternal tools not ported to the new patch yet? wtf
21:29.31Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r17 BloodShieldTracker.lua:
21:29.32RepoAdded minimap icon option.  Fixed error with uninitialized variable.
21:29.34profalbertguess I have to find a replacement for Baggins after all
21:29.47arkanesKillmore: it's just vertical timing bars, sorted alphabetically
21:29.53Killmoreok
21:30.21dafireall minimap icons must die
21:30.21arkanesyou can postion it, but the size is hardcoded because blizz makes me sad
21:30.34Parnic|Workdafire: it's pretty surprising...i removed the minimap icon from icehud and immediately had requests to add it back
21:30.39Parnic|Worki didn't think that would happen
21:30.48arkanesParnic|Work: people are really wierd
21:31.04arkanesyou could write an addon that showed pictues of dead babies, and people would complain when you took them out
21:31.17Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.5.2 / (5 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits]
21:31.18Repoba899da: - Re-enabled pretty change log in .pkgmeta - Updated WhatsNew.txt for 2.5.2 - Removed Cataclysm compatibility note in main Description.txt
21:31.19Repo94ef8fc: - TOC to 4000
21:31.23Repo5a50f60: - Updated minimum libraries required versions
21:31.27Xinhuananyone uses both BeanCounter and Postal here?
21:31.29Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 042.5.2 * 233fd87 /: [new tag] Tagging as 2.5.2
21:31.36arkanes"omg wtf put bak dead babby or i uninstall this adon"
21:31.51dafireXinhuan: i installed postal yesterday after i bought 60 infinite dust in single stacks .)
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21:32.08Xinhuanwell that doesn't answer my question lol
21:32.19dafireah .. i missed the both .)
21:32.48steev~alert
21:32.48purlI'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons...
21:32.52steevbleh
21:32.56steevwhat is it
21:33.00steev~launcher
21:33.00purlOne-stop filetype/application mapping solution. URL: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~etgold/software/launcher/
21:33.04steevsigh
21:33.07steevi give up
21:33.10Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik 07cataclysm * r2865 Locales (2 files in 1 directory): deDE update
21:33.18steev~404
21:33.18purlERROR: 404 answer not found
21:33.28Pneumatusheh, nearly 50% of my addon list showing as new versions available on CC already
21:33.52arkanes~wowalert
21:33.52purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
21:33.58steevgay
21:34.11hasteI'm contributing to the other 50% Pneumatus !
21:34.17hasteand more as I have zero stuff on curse :P
21:34.29Pneumatusyou are contributing to an infinite fraction
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21:35.19Pneumatusi wonder if i should finally un-ignore LoggerHead for 4.0 and replace my self-hacked version
21:36.03steevyou should just delete all your addons and play wow the way it is meant to be played
21:36.21Pneumatusyeh, i did that during alpha/early beta of cata
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21:37.43Repo10bank-items: 03Xinhuan * r159 BankItems.lua: Update comments.
21:38.20dafiresteev: if it would be meant to play without addons there would be no addon api ;)
21:38.45Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r18 BloodShieldTracker.lua: More options for bar height/width and font size
21:39.00Repo10bank-items: 03Xinhuan 04v40000 * r160 : Tag release v40000. Currency recording is disabled for now.
21:39.09Repo10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7559 / (11 files in 11 directories): bump to 40000
21:39.10Pneumatusrealistically, there are probably about 10 addons i can't really function without
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21:39.56Parnic|Workdominos, omnicc, and my HUD are about the only ones i absolutely require
21:40.01Parnic|Workthe rest are just for fun
21:40.05Pneumatusgrid/clique/quartz/omnicc/msbt/icehud
21:40.20dafiredominus, my unitframes and recently i replaced omnicc with inlineaura .)
21:40.36Parnic|Workoh yeah, my healer needs grid+clique too.
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21:40.43dafiresome more for the eye but that is my must have ;)
21:41.26Pneumatusoh, and ratingbuster
21:41.35Pneumatuswhich i still cant believe isn't rolled into default ui
21:42.06Pneumatuswhich still isn't updated properly for 4.0 :<
21:44.54ShefkiPneumatus: It is in the default UI.
21:45.14ShefkiIt's not identical, but pretty darn close.
21:45.25PneumatusShefki: not the rating -> percent conversions, proper 2h vs mh/oh, spi->mp5 etc
21:45.37ShefkiIsn't mp5 gone?
21:45.42Pneumatusno
21:45.49Repo10big-wigs: 03funkydude 04r7560-release * r7560 : Tagging as r7560-release
21:45.50Pneumatusas an actual stat it is, but it comes from spirit
21:46.34Pneumatusmana regen is a function of spirit and int, and in-combat regen is talented
21:47.07Pneumatusthe blizzard comparison tooltips just do a straight-out stat listing with raw numbers, not considering the other things the stats provide
21:47.15Pneumatuscrit from int/agi, as well
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21:48.27Pneumatuslol@ one of the ratingbuster comments
21:48.28Pneumatusplease add ability to scale the dialogs to avoid this:
21:48.28Pneumatushttp://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9568/wowscrnshot111609020427.jpg
21:49.01Pneumatuslike its whitetooth's fault they are so stupid to want to show comparisons for every type of spell damage individually, and stats clearly not relavant to their spec
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21:51.49Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r19 / (2 files in 1 directory): Drycode, added optional support for lib shared media fonts.
21:52.22Pneumatusanyway, anyone know how big the final patch US have to download is?
21:52.35Niv100M?
21:52.52Nivlooks like mine is about 10M
21:52.57Niv7.3MB
21:52.59Nivfor mac
21:53.01Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r20 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Fix for font select
21:53.07Niver
21:53.10Niv11.9MB apparently
21:53.10NivI fail
21:53.35ranguvaris it out?
21:53.43ranguvar<-- too lazy to check online
21:53.54Pneumatusoptimistic dropping of glyphs for 50g a pop on AH
21:54.24steevPneumatus: the patch after the 4.76gb?
21:54.37Pneumatusafter the 3-phase preload
21:54.40steevahh
21:54.49steevnot sure, i stopped paying attention there
21:56.07Repo10larger-macro-icon-selection: 03Xinhuan * r32 / (2 files in 1 directory): Update 1 digit in the TOC (interface number).
21:56.08RepoUpdate 2 digits in the code comments (copyright year).
21:56.18dafirehow much over time is the patch now in us ?
21:57.01nevcairielit was extended 4 hours over the initial time
21:57.02Primeras much as expected so far
21:57.04nevcairieland those arent up yet
21:57.18PrimerI predicted no realm would be available before 6PM PST
21:57.26Primerwe're still on course for that
21:57.28Torhal~8ball
21:57.28purlACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Yes - definitely
21:57.41dafirehmm... guess i won't need to go home early tomorrow ;9
21:57.49nevcairielprobably not, no
21:58.16Repo10larger-macro-icon-selection: 03Xinhuan 04v1.0.0 * r33 : Well ok, I can't retag v1.0, so how about v1.0.0?
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21:59.26dafiremaybe i should log in and create a spellstone .. just for remembering the good old times later .)
21:59.42nevcairieltoo late
21:59.51dafiredamn :)
21:59.52nevcairielserver downtime starts in 10 seconds or so
21:59.53Pneumatus1.15 on my realm
22:00.06Pneumatusjust been opimistically dropping glyphs on AH for 50-100g a pop
22:00.13Pneumatusin the hope that supply will outstrip demand
22:00.13dafirewould be a fast way to log out .. i always get disconnected when i link it in beta :)
22:00.25nevcairielI bought the common glyphs a few days ago
22:00.58Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r21 BloodShieldTracker.lua: bug fix
22:01.13Pneumatusherb prices are going to rocket for a bit with the final surge of inscription profits to be made
22:01.23Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r22 BloodShieldTracker.lua: bug fix
22:01.31nevcairieli still have some herbs
22:01.36nevcairielshould put them up tomorrow
22:01.46Pneumatusive got a load saved that ill either turn into glyphs tomorrow or AH
22:01.49Pneumatusdepending on what the market looks like
22:02.02Pneumatusbut tomorrows herb demand is probably going to be the biggest since inscription was released
22:02.27*** part/#wowace ranguvar (~ranguvar@unaffiliated/ranguvar)
22:03.16Pneumatusforum database server needs more hampsters
22:03.17Pneumatus:<
22:03.31starlondoes CC4 not load at all when it can't connect to curse?
22:03.36nevcairieleh i dunno. We have a whole guildbank tab full of glyphs for all classes, remnants from the leveling days, but still alot of every kind, if other guilds have those as well .. dunno
22:04.06Pneumatuswe have about 3 scribes in the guild, all alts
22:04.13Xinhuancan i assume recount and thus libgraph-3.0 works in cata?
22:04.14Pneumatusmaybe only 2 actually
22:04.27PneumatusXinhuan: recount has been fine on beta as far as ive seen
22:04.32nevcairielyeah i think the people originally creatign those glyphs un-learned that profession
22:04.34Xinhuanerr 2.0 rather
22:04.35Xinhuanlol
22:04.35nevcairielit really sucks :p
22:04.57nevcairielespecially after the rush now, how is a scribe supposed to make money
22:05.03nevcairieldarkmoon cards?
22:05.05dafirei wish recount would not work in beta ;)
22:05.06Pneumatusdust, supposedly
22:05.17Pneumatusthe glyph replacement dust
22:05.23Starinniaalts leveling and needing glyphs
22:05.23nevcairielyou can buy that from vendors
22:05.27XinhuanHAHAHA wow, my lib-graph-2.0 URL still points to this:
22:05.31dafirewhat does the dust cost at centor :9
22:05.31XinhuanOPTIONS of 'http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibGraph-2.0': 200 OK (http://dev.wowace.com)
22:05.44Pneumatussupposedly it's not going to be on vendors in live
22:05.59dafireaccording to patchnotes it is
22:06.02Pneumatusgay
22:06.04Xinhuanwhich is a URL that no longer exists since years ago ;p
22:06.04kagaroPneumatus:  it is on live
22:06.10Pneumatusat which case then, inscription is dead
22:06.19dafiremaybe it's more expensive .)
22:06.19nevcairieleven with the dust
22:06.22XinhuanPneumatus, not really
22:06.27nevcairielit needs one low level ink?
22:06.31kagaroshoulder enchants at 85
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22:06.35arkanesthe 81+ dust is more expensive
22:06.39XinhuanBefore 4.0, players paid money for glyphs to apply glyphs
22:06.45PneumatusXinhuan: the biggest market are glyphs people swap out repeatedly
22:06.50XinhuanAfter 4.0, players will pay money to remove glyphs
22:06.53Xinhuanits the same thing
22:06.58PneumatusXinhuan: and the dust comes from vendors
22:06.59nevcairielThe dust is cheap
22:07.02arkanesI think calling it dead is a bit of an exaggeration though
22:07.03Pneumatusand is cheap
22:07.07nevcairielIt needs one ink
22:07.09Xinhuanthe dust is made by players, no?
22:07.09nevcairiela low level ink
22:07.12arkanesit's not dead any more than, say, blacksmithing and engineering are
22:07.20Xinhuanthere's a high lvl dust and a low lvl dust
22:07.20nevcairielXinhuan: it is, but vendors also sell it
22:07.25Xinhuanthe high lvl one is expensive
22:07.32Pneumatus10g isnt really expensive
22:07.34nevcairielYou only need one type of dust to remove glyphs
22:07.37pschrinerengineering is going to be fun
22:07.44Xinhuanu need the high lvl dust once u are past lvl 80
22:07.48Pneumatusnevcairiel: there are two
22:07.52Pneumatusvanishing and dissapearing
22:07.52Repo10healers-have-to-die: 03Archarodim 07master * 1.0.3 Healers-Have-To-Die.toc: [+1 commit] - TOC to 40000
22:07.58Repo10healers-have-to-die: 03Archarodim 041.0.3 * 3c83d7d /: [new tag] Tagging as 1.0.3
22:08.00Pneumatusvanishing up to level 81, then on to dissapearing
22:08.05Xinhuan^
22:08.08arkanessigh wtfbbq secure aura header, get your damn layout logic right
22:08.15Xinhuanthe expensive one beyond lvl 81 isn't vendor sold
22:08.30Pneumatuswell, all scribes competing to sell a single item is just as bad
22:08.40nevcairieleven then, it doesnt require much reagents
22:08.52nevcairielrather find a scribe, throw some herbs at him, and be done for a year
22:08.58Xinhuanwell its gotta be more convenient than scrounging around for 10 different glyphs
22:08.59arkanesit's obviously not going to be a money maker
22:09.04Pneumatuseven if it requires the highest ink, you get 1.5 inks per 5 herbs
22:09.09arkanesthe dust is a non-starter as far as that goes
22:09.46nevcairielscribe never was that big a money profession
22:09.53nevcairieland the personal bonus is a joke, really
22:09.56Repo10chinon: 03Sidoine * r124 Chinon.toc: Chinon:
22:09.57Repo-update version number
22:09.59nevcairielthats why there are so few
22:10.02nevcairieland most on alts, as well
22:10.06arkanesits better now
22:10.08Pneumatusthe personal bonus is the same as most professions
22:10.08pschrinerInscription was insanely profitable up to now (on my server)
22:10.14Repo10chinon: 03Sidoine 044.0.0 * r125 : tag 4.0.0
22:10.23winkI made 10k when it was newish
22:10.26Pneumatusthe shoulder enchant is worth the same as the leatherworking bracer enchants, etc
22:10.29winkand then nothing for a year
22:10.39nevcairielyeah there was some money in the leveling time
22:10.41nevcairielbut after that
22:10.48Pneumatusi've made probably 100k on inscription
22:10.50pschrinerI mean, regularly selling glyphs for > 80g a piece - come on
22:11.00Pneumatusmost of that when the glyph mastery books came
22:11.08nevcairielYour servers economy must be horrible
22:11.09dafireyeah .. when the glyphs where random and some were rare .)
22:11.11winkbooks were awesome :D
22:11.14nevcairieli never paid more then 10g for one glyph
22:11.22winkI sold many for 50g
22:11.28dafirebook is about 50g currently
22:11.29Pneumatuswhen the glyph mastery books first came, you could sell glyphs regularly for 100g+
22:11.37Xinhuanit varies from server to server
22:11.50Pneumatuswell, we're a launch server
22:11.50Xinhuanon Blackrock, almost all glpyhs are under 10g (mostly 3g)
22:11.55Xinhuani just moved servers
22:11.57pschriner99g was quite common for some glyphs
22:11.57Xinhuanand on my new one
22:12.03Xinhuanits like 30-50g each for everything
22:12.06Xinhuaneven the useless ones
22:12.11nevcairielcrazy
22:12.15Pneumatus30-50g sounds about right for the valuable ones on our server
22:12.21Pneumatusthe crap ones end at sub-10g
22:12.25Pneumatusthat no one ueses
22:12.28Pneumatus*uses
22:12.41dafireall important warlock glyphes were under 10g here .9
22:12.54Repo10classtimer: 03Stanzilla 042.3.40000.1 * r344 : Tagging as 2.3.40000.1
22:12.58Pneumatusminor glyphs largely sell for more than main glyphs also
22:13.10Pneumatusbecause there's so little choice everyone wants the same ones
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22:13.43pschrinerGlyph of Mend Pet is a good example...
22:14.10Pneumatusthe reagent removal glyphs also
22:14.23Pneumatusand stuff like paladins BoM
22:14.51Galvincurse crap the bed?
22:15.10Pneumatusprobably
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22:15.15Repo10libgraph-2-0: 03Xinhuan * r46 LibGraph-2.0.toc: Update Interface number to 40000.
22:15.31Galvinwas reading the wowace forums and got an error figures it 12mil people downloading addons :P
22:15.45Pneumatusi think the wowace forum hamsters have been diverted to curse.com
22:16.03Pneumatusmain wowace.com is actually pretty speedy atm as well
22:16.05Pneumatusits just the forums
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22:16.59Repo10libgraph-2-0: 03Xinhuan 04v2.0.2 * r47 :
22:17.00RepoTag v2.0.2. There are no code changes, this is just to update the TOC interface number.
22:17.15dafiren8 .)
22:17.37Xinhuanso
22:17.40Xinhuanare servers up yet?
22:19.09Repo10dualspeccer: 03Jeffrey0 04v1.0 * r21 :
22:19.10RepoRelease v1.0 for WoW 4.0. No functionality changes, just backend code changes.
22:19.31Galvinstill down should be up at 7pm in theory
22:20.35Repo10recount: 03Elsia 04v4.0.1a release * r1130 : Tagging as v4.0.1a release
22:22.17Repo10simple-md: 03Starinnia 043.2.2 * r218 : Tagging as release 3.2.2
22:22.46Repo10combo-points-redux: 03Starinnia 042.0.0 * r144 : Tagging as release 2.0.0
22:24.14arkaneswtf patcher finished and now it wants to download another gig
22:24.16Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r23 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Cleaning up min DS heal calcs and Self Heal formatting.
22:24.36Repo10sell-o-matic: 03Silmano 04v1.2.9 * d84a43f /: [new tag, +1 commits]
22:24.43AvisI've been updating for like 3 hours now lol
22:26.15Gnarfozarkanes: your wow folder is a planet
22:26.17starlonThey need to set a little server off to the side for addon author flagged accounts. Who's with me?
22:26.20Gnarfozit's currently being terraformed
22:26.38Gnarfozstarlon: they'd first need to start flagging accounts, then
22:26.51starlonwell yeah
22:27.54starlonnobody wants paradise it seems. what has the internet done to humanity
22:28.12Nivwhen does EU maintenance start?
22:28.24Nivor has it
22:28.26Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r24 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Fixed a localization error
22:28.28Dessait already did
22:28.33Nivah
22:30.45steevokay grammar/spelling nazis, gunna, gonna, or going to
22:31.05Repo10simple-range-indicator: 03Elsia 04v4.0.1 release * r16 : Tagging as v4.0.1 release
22:31.09ShadniX_started 30 minutes ago
22:31.19Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r25 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Fixed lsm check
22:31.31Repo10recountthreat: 03Elsia 04v4.0.1 release * r56 : Tagging as v4.0.1 release
22:31.48Repo10recount-death-track: 03Elsia 04v4.0.1 release * r33 : Tagging as v4.0.1 release
22:32.04Repo10in-combat-indicator: 03Elsia 04v4.0.1 release * r17 : Tagging as v4.0.1 release
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22:32.16Repo10broker_recount: 03Elsia 04v4.0.1 release * r47 : Tagging as v4.0.1 release
22:32.36Repo10battle-objectives-mover: 03Elsia 04v4.0.1 release * r17 : Tagging as v4.0.1 release
22:32.48steevso they are super duper srs about not bringing them up before 4pm pacific eh
22:33.24Repo10shamanwarning: 03Silmano 04v1.2.6 * 233e708 /: [new tag, +1 commits]
22:33.26Shefkisteev: They've put Deathwing back in the bottle, he's done chewing on power cords.
22:33.41steevheh
22:34.54Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r26 .pkgmeta: Adding LSM to .pkgmeta
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22:38.50Killmoredo you think its possible to disable the sound from the launcher or not ? :P
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22:44.02Galvinhaha glad I'm not the only one that finds that anoying.
22:44.18Repo10questitem: 03Pericles * r45 : QuestItem: -
22:44.19SunTsuWho uses the launcher anyway?
22:44.20RepoPre patch 4.0.1 release update
22:44.23Galvinif only we could write addons for the launcher :P
22:44.40GalvinI do incase there are patches
22:45.05Killmorethere's no switch to but at the end of the shortcut like -nosound or -disablesound ?
22:46.03ShefkiWhen they first added that sound I about fell out of my chair.
22:46.12ShefkiWasn't expecting it.
22:46.15Killmoresame :(
22:46.36Killmoreand then you press play and "boom" again
22:46.51arkaneshooray I have working buff bars
22:46.54arkaneswith cancelation and everything
22:46.56Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r27 / (3 files in 1 directory): Fixing LSM pkgmeta and embeds
22:47.08ShefkiAt some point I'm gonna rip it apart and figure out how to replace the sound files.
22:47.48Killmorearkanes: your homemade addon you mean ?
22:47.52arkanesKillmore: yeah
22:48.00arkanesnext up is debuffs and weapon enchants
22:48.04arkanesoh and I guess tooltips would be nice
22:49.36Killmorewhen you said it will be a quick and dirty addon, do you think it will stay like this or ?
22:49.50Dessai would like to get rid of that sound as well <.<
22:49.57arkanesI'll probably never write config options or anything for it
22:50.12ShefkiHonestly, I hate the new launcher with a passion.
22:50.30arkanesKillmore: you're welcome to use it as is if you want, https://bitbucket.org/arkanes/kbf/
22:50.36ShefkiHopefully it gets better.
22:50.50durcynShefki: just be glad it's still bypassable
22:51.02arkaneshalf the stuff I'd want to configure I can't because of the aura header, and the rest I won't bother with since I'll just edit the code
22:52.40starlonheh are WoW's forums real slow for anyone else?
22:52.41ShefkiSo a team at work today announced that they were going to name a new project Sosos after a greek mosaic artist.
22:53.12Xinhuanapparently, windows firewall has to be off or Curse client will get denied to overwrite files to your addons folder
22:53.15ShefkiAnd someone replied and suggested that since Java had good UTF support they should use the actual greek name for the project.
22:55.28SunTsuHow does [Ammo] take it that he was removed from the game?
22:55.29ShefkiWhich then lead to someone actually producing an init script for it with escaped unicode characters, using the Julian calendar for the log files and finally a suggestion that they use the greek numbering systems for numbering releases.
22:55.48ShefkiSunTsu: Not sure, nobody has seen him since he was removed.
22:56.02Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r28 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Shi method if LSM is missing
22:56.04SunTsupoor guy
22:56.20arkanesunicode projct names are one thing, but using the julian calendar is magnificent
22:56.24durcynI'm told that joke's been run into the ground
22:56.52Shefkiarkanes: The Julian calendar was my idea. :)
22:57.19Primerisn't Julian roman?
22:57.23PrimerJulius...
22:57.26ShefkiYeah technically.
22:57.32ShefkiThere's not really one Greek calenar.
22:57.41durcynbtw, another hour on maintenance
22:57.49durcyn~wowalert
22:57.50purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
22:57.53ShefkiAnd I don't think anything supports the old greek calendars. :(
22:58.03ShefkiSo it was as close as we could get.
23:00.36Xinhuani'm getting a number of addon can't install issues generated by curse client =.=
23:01.47ShefkiI'd like to remind everyone that I called 5:00 earlier today.
23:01.50Shefkitakes a bow.
23:02.56steevheh
23:04.09arkaneshaving timing issues with my fancy new buff bars :(
23:04.38arkanesit looks like sometimes in response to UNIT_AURA I'm pulling attributes from the secure buttons before the group header finishes setting them
23:05.08arkanesis this a real thing that can happen, and if so is there any reasonable way I can detect & fix it?
23:05.23Shefkiarkanes: Yes.
23:05.39Xinhuancheck for lots of nils :P
23:05.40ShefkiTrap UNIT_AURA flag the updates, then process on the next OnUpdate.
23:05.52Xinhuanand what shefki said
23:05.53arkanesalrighty, I was just thinking about trying that
23:06.03Xinhuanyou want to bucket all the updates to one onupdate
23:06.15Xinhuancos multiple unit_auras can occur at the same time to the same unit
23:06.53ShefkiOn top of that since the AuraHeader is tracking UNIT_AURA and there's no way to find out when it did an update if you trap it too it's a toss up which one of you gets called first.
23:07.16ShefkiAnother option would be to cheat and secure hook the AuraHeader Update function.
23:07.30ShefkiCheck if it's updating one of your headers and do what you want.
23:07.38ShefkiSince the UNIT_AURA will drive that function.
23:08.15zerixdoes anyone know if you can buy gems with justice points
23:09.26ShefkiThink so.
23:09.31ShefkiNo idea on how much they cost.
23:10.05ShefkiKaelten: Grats on holding up so well so far tooday btw.
23:11.09arkanesShefki: I'm just setting a dirty flag in UNIT_AURA, since I'm already doing OnUpdate processing to tick down the duration
23:13.04Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r29 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Fixing LSM shim
23:13.31arkanesokay looks like thats working
23:14.39Shefkiarkanes: Another option would be OnAttributeChanged on the frames.
23:15.10ShefkiAnyway done throwing out ideas.
23:15.31arkanesI'll check into doing those
23:15.40ShefkiBut now that I think about it, OnAttributeChanged is probably the cleanest solution to your problem if you can limit it down to just a single attribute.
23:15.43arkanesthe OnUpdate is the simplest, I think
23:15.58Shefkiarkanes: Yeah, if you've already got an OnUpdate it is easy.
23:16.02arkanesit'd just one attribute right now
23:16.13arkanesbut once I get vehicle support in I think I might need to scan 2?
23:17.47Stanzillahaste: oglow for cata in the works?
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23:19.19TalrynSo is their a semi-official update to Shadowed Unit Frames?
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23:19.43ShefkiTalryn: Simplistic Unit Frames
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23:20.16TalrynIs that one wowace.com?
23:20.46TalrynIf it's new, search is broken still.
23:21.11Shefkihttp://www.wowace.com/addons/simplistic-unit-frames/
23:21.11TalrynBut I found it by guessing the URL
23:22.28Talryncurse.com is very unhappy
23:23.38TalrynDownloads aren't working for me
23:23.57Xinhuanhow are u downloading
23:24.06TalrynUsing Manual Download
23:24.17TalrynNavigating to it from my Favorite
23:24.22TalrynFavorites
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23:24.58TalrynHTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable.
23:25.06Xinhuanlol
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23:27.43Stanzillahaste: fixed it myself, #L54 in border.lua frame to self
23:32.43TorhalTalryn: There's no official version, semi or otherwise. Shadowed said people can do what they want with it, just don't call it Shadowed Unit Frames.
23:32.58TorhalSo there are at least three versions that I know of.
23:33.15TalrynOk.  I'll check out Simplistic UF that Shefki mentioned.
23:34.22starloncan you extract groups in lua expressions? like ("string"):match("(%s)ring") and you can access what was captured between the ( and ).
23:35.06starlonguesses not.
23:40.28TalrynYes, it has captures.  Check out gmatch.
23:40.37Arrowmastermatch does it too
23:40.56Arrowmasterlua> ("string"):match("(%s)ring")
23:40.56lua_botArrowmaster: nil
23:40.57Shefkistarlon: http://lua-users.org/wiki/PatternsTutorial
23:41.09Arrowmasterlua> ("string"):match("(.*)ring")
23:41.10lua_botArrowmaster: st
23:41.35Arrowmasterlua> ("string"):match("(.*)ri(.*)")
23:41.35lua_botArrowmaster: st, ng
23:44.45SunTsu"crouching tige, hidden chimera" - nice
23:44.49SunTsutiger even
23:46.29Repo10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r30 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Fixes for font changes and LSM
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23:57.56starlonwell now
23:58.04starlonI didn't see match.
23:58.29starlonhttp://www.lua.org/pil/20.1.html

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