| 00:02.00 | Repo | 10liblinq-1-0: 03ckknight 07master * a4e5881 / (6 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Add BidirectionalDictionary, which acts like a regular dictionary only it represents a one-to-one relationshipp between keys and values rather than potentially a many-to-one |
| 00:04.21 | ckknight | starlon: oh god, it's horribly inefficient |
| 00:04.36 | ckknight | starlon: due to the way lua handles strings, you're generating a new interned string every time you do a concatenation |
| 00:04.53 | ckknight | which means that you'll end up with, essentially close to square the memory you're eventually going to use |
| 00:04.57 | Parnic | hooray immutability? |
| 00:05.22 | ckknight | immutable strings provide a lot of niceties |
| 00:05.30 | ckknight | in this case, use a stringbuilder-esque setup |
| 00:05.33 | ckknight | e.g. t = {} |
| 00:05.36 | ckknight | t[#t+1] = "string" |
| 00:05.41 | ckknight | return table.concat(t) |
| 00:06.11 | Groktar | nibbles on t |
| 00:06.24 | ckknight | you would, Groktar |
| 00:06.31 | Groktar | ye |
| 00:06.44 | Parnic | adds sweet-n-low to t |
| 00:07.33 | ckknight | Parnic: ick |
| 00:07.54 | Parnic | here in the south we drink sweet tea |
| 00:08.03 | Groktar | says no to tea that is recognizable as tea |
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| 00:49.40 | Repo | 10librescomm-1-0: 03myrroddin * r52 / (7 files in 4 directories): (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 00:49.42 | Repo | Disable no-lib creation in .pkgmeta |
| 00:49.43 | Repo | Set CallbackHandler-1.0 and LibStub repository paths in .pkgmeta and delete embedded folders |
| 00:49.44 | Repo | Fixed spellIDs for Cataclysm compatibility |
| 00:49.45 | Repo | Registered UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED/INTERRUPTED and pointed them to UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP function (ResComm_Ressed was firing inappropriately) |
| 00:50.55 | Connor1 | 59 more tokens until Bromaster. |
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| 01:02.52 | SqueeG | why is direbrew allowed to be fought an unlimited amount of times now? |
| 01:03.19 | kagaro | cause the mount only drops from the daily bag |
| 01:03.29 | Talryn | You only get the chest once per day now. |
| 01:03.35 | Repo | 10librescomm-1-0: 03myrroddin * r53 LibResComm-1.0.toc: Adjusted .toc for Libs folder so CBH and LS load properly |
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| 01:12.44 | Talryn | What would be the best way to change a string to title case that also handles UTF-8 properly? |
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| 01:25.03 | Aikar | wtfux, my RAF "friend" is trying to ransom me for the grantable levels |
| 01:26.00 | kagaro | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26859268664&postId=268566421475&sid=2000#0 |
| 01:26.19 | Trela | Aikar: WTF? |
| 01:26.42 | kagaro | i wonder why debuglocals sometimes returns nil |
| 01:29.10 | SqueeG | does ZG still have a lockout? |
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| 01:29.18 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 01:30.15 | SqueeG | how long? |
| 01:31.24 | kagaro | 3 days |
| 01:31.25 | SqueeG | oh nvm |
| 01:31.29 | SqueeG | ./facepalm |
| 01:32.05 | SqueeG | I was about to get angry, then realized that we never do the whole thing :p just the mount bosses |
| 01:32.37 | the-golem | Royal Air Force? |
| 01:32.46 | kagaro | iv seen 1 raptor in 75 kils |
| 01:33.06 | Arrowmaster | meh the raptor is nothing special |
| 01:33.12 | kagaro | i wasnt the tiger |
| 01:33.18 | kagaro | s/wasnt/want/ |
| 01:33.20 | Arrowmaster | i want the tiger too |
| 01:33.37 | Arrowmaster | i got the raptor way back when my first guild was doing ZG |
| 01:35.11 | SqueeG | i just like having mounts :D |
| 01:35.18 | SqueeG | Keep hoping for the raptor pet, too |
| 01:35.24 | SqueeG | but the bloody thing never drops |
| 01:35.33 | Arrowmaster | pet? |
| 01:35.47 | nebula | i got it on my dk like the second time i did it, but i've never seen it on my warrior main ;[ |
| 01:36.02 | nebula | (tiger) |
| 01:37.19 | SqueeG | yea there's a wee raptor that drops off the raptors in ZG |
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| 01:46.42 | Stanzilla | raptor mount is awesome |
| 01:46.51 | Stanzilla | but I guess it's only special for alliance :p |
| 01:51.34 | genetik- | does anyone know of a fix for the bug where the combat log events stop firing? |
| 01:51.43 | genetik- | i mean as a preventative measure |
| 01:53.41 | Wobin | no prevention that I know of |
| 01:53.49 | Wobin | other than 'dont' go into combat' |
| 01:55.24 | genetik- | yeah, that's what causes it, in my experience |
| 01:55.44 | genetik- | take a 5 minute break and a bunch of people complain that they didn't see plague go out on lich king |
| 01:56.41 | Shefki | sighs |
| 01:56.54 | Shefki | Torhal: You around? |
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| 02:25.15 | Parnic | since when has omnicc displayed "0" on the countdown? :( |
| 02:25.20 | Parnic | i don't like the new behavior |
| 02:25.31 | Stanzilla | fixed in the latest version |
| 02:25.38 | Parnic | i *just* opened curse client :P |
| 02:25.39 | Parnic | not published yet? |
| 02:25.47 | Stanzilla | 3.0.1 |
| 02:25.49 | Stanzilla | should be out |
| 02:26.12 | Parnic | k, guess i'll try again |
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| 02:36.31 | nebula | 3.0.1 is out on wowi, but not curse apparently :p |
| 02:40.21 | Repo | 10character-notes: 03talryn1 * r30 CharacterNotes.lua: Added check for LibAlts:GetMain |
| 02:40.59 | Torhal | nebula, Parnic: Should be on Curse now. |
| 02:41.28 | Parnic | thanks torhal :) |
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| 02:42.52 | Torhal | np |
| 02:46.09 | quiescens | o.o |
| 03:02.15 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r604 modules/CustomCount.lua: |
| 03:02.17 | Repo | - set custom counters to display out of combat if they are not 0 |
| 03:02.51 | Parnic | i wish Broker2FuBar could actually remember its settings. |
| 03:04.18 | nebula | should purge fubar with fire ;[ |
| 03:04.27 | Parnic | is there a replacement with similar behavior? |
| 03:04.30 | Parnic | if so, i'm there :) |
| 03:04.46 | nebula | tons of broker displays that can give you bars |
| 03:05.16 | Stanzilla | Parnic: Bazooka |
| 03:05.42 | Parnic | aw man, it's a mitch0 mod |
| 03:05.46 | Parnic | i don't wanna support that guy |
| 03:05.52 | Stanzilla | haha |
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| 03:18.26 | SqueeG | dockingstation frw |
| 03:18.28 | SqueeG | ftw too |
| 03:18.38 | SqueeG | a lot of people like chocolatebar as well |
| 03:20.35 | Repo | 10xperl: 03mysticalos * r379 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 03:20.37 | Repo | Fix Xperl_assistframe using "this" in several functions cause player is a baddie and missed some when he merged cata branch. re-added joddies dk hack taht disables support for runes to fix lua errors on dks. |
| 03:22.56 | Parnic | there is so much crap on my screen right now o_O |
| 03:24.20 | SqueeG | dockingstation disables plugins at default so that doesn't happen :p |
| 03:24.56 | Parnic | how about chocolate bar? |
| 03:25.21 | SqueeG | no idea |
| 03:25.32 | SqueeG | Never actually used it myself |
| 03:26.01 | Parnic | "docking" and "dockingstation" shows no results in curse client. is it wowi only? |
| 03:26.15 | SqueeG | i've used fortress, SBC and dockingstation |
| 03:26.23 | SqueeG | ooooh yea, it's wowi only |
| 03:26.29 | SqueeG | forgot about that xD |
| 03:30.35 | Torhal | I used to recommend DockingStation. |
| 03:30.42 | Torhal | Now I recommend Bazooka. |
| 03:30.53 | Parnic | when i loaded up bazooka, it had nothing on it by default |
| 03:30.59 | Bruners | @project bazooka |
| 03:31.00 | Parnic | chocolatebar had all the broker mods already in it |
| 03:31.05 | Repo | Bruners: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bazooka/. Bazooka. Game: WoW. mitch0 (Manager/Author). Updated: 89 days ago. Tickets: 1/15 |
| 03:31.06 | Parnic | so i'm happier with that :P |
| 03:31.46 | Torhal | Chocolatebar also does weird-ass shit, and regularly has forum posts about them. |
| 03:31.57 | Torhal | Bazooka just works and has mass/bulk settings |
| 03:32.02 | Torhal | But hey |
| 03:32.09 | Torhal | That's just me :) |
| 03:32.24 | Parnic | well maybe i just need to understand how to make it show all my LDB modules |
| 03:32.33 | Parnic | would be nice if that Just Worked™ |
| 03:32.42 | Torhal | mitch0: ^^ |
| 03:32.46 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 03:32.57 | Parnic | pff, mitch is never around unless he's making me add features to my mod :P |
| 03:32.59 | Torhal | Ugh. My cat is drinking all of my milk. |
| 03:33.00 | Parnic | i swear. |
| 03:33.42 | SqueeG | i like my data display to start blank |
| 03:33.52 | SqueeG | that way i can configure it as I go |
| 03:34.16 | Parnic | well nothing's stopping you from disablings things you don't want. but if the mod loads up blank, it looks broken IMHO |
| 03:35.13 | SqueeG | I've looked at bazooka before, but stuck with DS primarily because i wanted a direct fubar replacement xD |
| 03:35.44 | SqueeG | and it was one of the first where right clicking on it opened the options menu |
| 03:36.01 | SqueeG | that's the awesome thing about LDB though |
| 03:36.26 | SqueeG | A bunch of displays have been written to try and suit different tastes |
| 03:36.30 | SqueeG | ./thumbsup |
| 03:36.54 | Parnic | how about a replacement for dewdrop, does that exist? if i want my mod's LDB launcher to be left-click opens options, right-click does quick drop-down... |
| 03:37.26 | SqueeG | easymenu? |
| 03:39.19 | Torhal | UIDropDownMenu |
| 03:39.30 | Parnic | heh, easy enough |
| 03:39.52 | Torhal | I use it for AckisRecipeList_QuickScan |
| 03:41.08 | SqueeG | ARL quickscan likes to open randomly on me |
| 03:41.18 | SqueeG | and then refuses to hide again :p |
| 03:44.34 | Torhal | SqueeG: This is why I dropped DockingStation |
| 03:44.41 | Torhal | Tooltips have been broken for well over a year |
| 03:44.48 | SqueeG | on DS? |
| 03:44.51 | SqueeG | or in general? |
| 03:44.57 | Torhal | He has way too aggressive handling, which he took 9 months to fix and apparently hasn't |
| 03:45.01 | Torhal | DS |
| 03:45.04 | SqueeG | lol |
| 03:45.31 | SqueeG | ah well... |
| 03:46.09 | Torhal | Anything using LibQTip that uses :SetAutoHideDelay() is never properly released back to the library because of how he handles tooltips. |
| 03:46.14 | SqueeG | yea, there was an issue a bit back where an addon didn't display at all because of a lacking option, actually |
| 03:46.27 | SqueeG | weir |
| 03:46.30 | SqueeG | weird* |
| 03:46.41 | Torhal | Like I said, he's way too aggressive with them. |
| 03:46.55 | Torhal | Mouse is gone? Let's hide the frame. |
| 03:46.59 | SqueeG | lol |
| 03:47.05 | Torhal | That doesn't take into account what the AddOn itself does when hiding. |
| 03:47.07 | SqueeG | does he state why? |
| 03:47.23 | Torhal | No, but back in June of 09 he said he would fix it in the next release. |
| 03:47.24 | Yssaril | Torhal: how the hell can you screw up handling LDB tooltips its pretty straight forward imo (unless you dynamically hide/show the plugin) |
| 03:47.32 | starlon | What's that addon's name that shows you how long an addon takes to load? |
| 03:47.34 | Torhal | Five months later I switched to Bazooka because it was still broken |
| 03:47.56 | Torhal | Yssaril: Dunno, but he managed. |
| 03:48.55 | Parnic | starlon: Warmup will show you for all addons |
| 03:49.02 | starlon | That's the one. Thanks. |
| 03:49.42 | Repo | 10breakables: 03Parnic * r30 Breakables.lua: - added a tooltip to the LDB launcher |
| 03:49.50 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r605 IceHUD.lua: - added a tooltip to the LDB launcher |
| 03:50.06 | Torhal | Tooltips everywhere! |
| 03:50.13 | Parnic | heh, it was annoying me :P |
| 03:50.29 | Parnic | "YOU get a tooltip, YOU get a tooltip, YOU..." |
| 03:52.50 | SqueeG | Go~od night! |
| 03:59.41 | Parnic | oh, that explains my problem with bazooka. it's erroring on login. sad. |
| 04:00.43 | Parnic | yeah it doesn't like being disembedded. works when i install it embedded |
| 04:00.55 | Torhal | Parnic: Uh...I run it disembedded. |
| 04:01.04 | Parnic | then i'm not sure what the issue is |
| 04:01.55 | Parnic | i'm also getting a LibJostle error on reload/login. hooksecurefunc(): FCF_UpdateCombatLogPosition is not a function |
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| 04:13.11 | Parnic | torhal: just discovered volumizer. can't believe i hadn't thought to look for a mod to do that until now. awesome. |
| 04:18.25 | Xinhuan | @describe volumizer |
| 04:18.26 | Repo | Xinhuan: http://www.wowace.com/addons/volumizer/. Volumizer. Volume control panel. |
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| 04:19.37 | Xinhuan | lol ok, a panel that is 1 less click away than usual (Esc -> sound) |
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| 04:20.10 | Parnic | left-click mute is awesome. i'm constantly mashing ctrl+s to kill sound and that doesn't stop ambient noises |
| 04:20.46 | Xinhuan | presets might be handy though |
| 04:20.55 | Xinhuan | here's a tip |
| 04:21.06 | Xinhuan | use Ctrl++ or Ctrl+- to increase overall volume |
| 04:21.08 | Xinhuan | or decrease |
| 04:21.13 | Xinhuan | by 10% per press |
| 04:21.18 | Xinhuan | those are the default keybinds at least |
| 04:21.21 | Parnic | i don't want fine-adjust, i want on or off :) |
| 04:21.37 | Parnic | ctrl+s *almost* works. but some sound effects still play |
| 04:21.38 | Xinhuan | yeah i just hit Ctrl Minus like 5 times to turn off all sound :P |
| 04:23.18 | Xinhuan | should be about the same speed as move mouse->clicking hehe |
| 04:25.24 | Repo | 10repairbroker: 03Parnic * r40 RepairBroker.lua: |
| 04:25.27 | Repo | - added type="data source" to the ldb registration so that this starts working again |
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| 04:26.42 | Torhal | Parnic: Hehe, danke. |
| 04:27.20 | bluspacecow | \o long haired pretty man |
| 04:27.51 | Torhal | ...I don't wear makeup. |
| 04:27.54 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:28.00 | Parnic | you look just like a dude at my work |
| 04:28.12 | bluspacecow | :( go on and crush my dreams then |
| 04:28.17 | bluspacecow | is sad QQ |
| 04:28.28 | Torhal | Heh |
| 04:30.42 | quiescens | o.o |
| 04:41.57 | Groktar | kills quiescens a little bit and then nibbles on his soul |
| 04:42.12 | quiescens | ): |
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| 05:21.02 | Repo | 10repairbroker: 03Parnic 043.3.5 * r41 : Tagging as 3.3.5 |
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| 05:36.23 | Repo | 10mrtrader: 03kolenka * r157 / (7 files in 2 directories): |
| 05:36.35 | Repo | - Moved the checkbox filter for "Have Materials" into the filter table. |
| 05:36.36 | Repo | - Added "Has skill up" for 4.0.1/Cataclysm. |
| 05:36.37 | Repo | - Reworking of areas to support having checkbox filters in the filter table. MrTrader will save the state of the checkbox filters across closing the window now. |
| 05:36.38 | Repo | All this is done so that we can do some work shrinking the window size in the near future. |
| 05:41.45 | Repo | 10grid: 03Greltok 07ace3 * r1325 GridStatusAuras.lua: Re-added changes lost during merge. |
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| 05:49.38 | sylvanaar | kagaro: ping |
| 05:50.37 | Talryn | Is there documentation on how addons load? I'm wondering the order of the calls for things like OnInitialize, OnEnable, etc. I assume these are called serially and there is no threading? |
| 05:50.58 | Parnic | those are ace3 functions. check the ace3 api docs on when they are called. nothing is threaded |
| 05:51.14 | Parnic | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-addon-3-0/ |
| 05:51.51 | nebula | OnInit is on ADDON_LOADED, OnEnable is PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD iirc |
| 05:52.23 | Arrowmaster | PLAYER_LOGIN actually i think |
| 05:52.31 | nebula | ah |
| 05:52.39 | Talryn | Is it safe to assume that the ADDON_LOADED messages are handled serially then? |
| 05:53.42 | Arrowmaster | everything is serially |
| 05:53.48 | sylvanaar | its single thread |
| 05:53.53 | Talryn | Ok, I had hoped so but figured I should check. |
| 05:54.25 | Arrowmaster | but some oddness does occure when you do stuff like call LoadAddOn() in an addon before it is completely loaded |
| 05:55.04 | sylvanaar | still thinks that was a good solution when it worked |
| 05:55.32 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 05:55.57 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah didnt that break or something? |
| 05:56.18 | sylvanaar | in one patch it did |
| 05:56.23 | nebula | 3.0.8ish? |
| 05:56.26 | sylvanaar | yeah |
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| 06:35.07 | Repo | 10mrtrader: 03kolenka * r158 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Updates to handle the tradeskill menu in Cataclysm. |
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| 06:54.30 | mitch0 | didum |
| 06:56.42 | Repo | 10mrtrader: 03kolenka * r159 Changelog.txt: |
| 06:56.44 | Repo | - New changelog for the upcoming version. Lots of changes, deserves a better introduction. |
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| 07:09.43 | HPT_ | anyone know how to remove a value from ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 07:12.34 | HPT_ | like say i add a few things with AddMessage() and then decide i want to remove the most recent one |
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| 07:28.49 | evl | HPT_: I think you might have to examine GetChildren() |
| 07:31.27 | HPT_ | ok i will try that |
| 07:33.42 | evl | HPT_: you can monitor it withi /framestack before you start |
| 07:33.45 | evl | the messages |
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| 07:38.43 | HPT_ | GetChildren() comes back with null. i think thats more like if it has frames nested in it, rather than holding the messages you have added |
| 07:38.47 | HPT_ | er nil |
| 07:42.05 | HPT_ | i didnt know about framestack, that is sweet |
| 07:42.32 | evl | try GetRegions() |
| 07:42.35 | Repo | 10mrtrader: 03kolenka * r160 TradeskillDB.lua: |
| 07:42.37 | Repo | - Fix a bug with Wrath clients where Archaeology support would break MrTrader if it was on 3.x. |
| 07:42.53 | evl | HPT_: there is also /eventtrace |
| 07:43.18 | Repo | 10mrtrader: 03kolenka 040.6b9 * r161 : Tagging as 0.6b9 |
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| 07:45.01 | HPT_ | tight |
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| 07:58.27 | HPT_ | ok GetRegions() gives back some kind of userdata. looking good |
| 07:59.57 | HPT_ | though i dont know what a userdata is |
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| 08:04.43 | nebula | can't do anything with it, afaik, its a c thing |
| 08:05.42 | nebula | its basically a fancy table, though |
| 08:06.35 | HPT_ | ya, ugh |
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| 08:25.46 | arkanes | HPT_: userdata is just the stuff that attaches the lua-level object data to the C++ object data |
| 08:26.23 | arkanes | HPT_: the things returned by GetRegions will be fontstrings and/or texture objects, check which one it is, and if its a fontstring call GetText on it it to see what line it is |
| 08:34.50 | HPT_ | how do i check which one it is from a userdata |
| 08:35.29 | HPT_ | GetRegions() returns a table with 1 element, which is of type userdata |
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| 08:37.25 | arkanes | thats just how /dump prints them |
| 08:37.33 | arkanes | it's returning a UI object |
| 08:38.58 | HPT_ | ok |
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| 08:39.05 | mitch0 | hpt: here's an example of GetRegions() usage: http://ace.pastey.net/140825 |
| 08:39.49 | HPT_ | cool thanks |
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| 08:40.43 | arkanes | I suspect that it'll have 1 region per line and the lines will be in the order they're shown |
| 08:40.56 | arkanes | but thats something you should test before assuming |
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| 08:41.26 | harl | hi |
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| 09:53.24 | HPT_ | hm it just returns 1 region. its a fontstring where GetText() returns the last inserted element of the ScrollingMessageFrame |
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| 10:18.49 | HPT_ | just need a clear() function that takes an id instead of nuking the whole list =( |
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| 11:18.32 | Repo | - Added new test because I remembered that the FItemDB SetItem and SetGuildItem functions were improperly implemented. Started new source files for main addon to be less confusing than trying to work from original source. |
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| 11:48.53 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r248 / (27 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 11:48.56 | Repo | *3.02.51 (21-SEP-2010) BETA 21-30-Cataclysm* |
| 11:48.57 | Repo | * fixed - issue with colorblind setting not being picked up properly |
| 11:48.57 | Repo | * fixed - issue with money text displaying zero silver when you only have copper |
| 11:48.59 | Repo | * fixed - issue with money text displaying "no sell value" when you have no money at all |
| 11:52.12 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro 043.02.51 BETA 21-30-Cataclysm * r249 : (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 11:52.14 | Repo | *3.02.51 (21-SEP-2010) BETA 21-30-Cataclysm* |
| 11:52.15 | Repo | * fixed - issue with colorblind setting not being picked up properly |
| 11:52.17 | Repo | * fixed - issue with money text displaying zero silver when you only have copper |
| 11:52.18 | Repo | * fixed - issue with money text displaying "no sell value" when you have no money at all |
| 12:08.54 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach 07cataclysm * r2803 LootTableModules/Cataclysm/cataclysm.lua: small update/fix |
| 12:17.21 | kagaro | sylvanaar: pong |
| 12:24.29 | evl | general question, is there a common term for something that does both decoding and encoding? |
| 12:24.46 | koaschten | a modem? ;) |
| 12:25.04 | Wobin | often 'encoding' covers both |
| 12:25.27 | kagaro | evl: uart |
| 12:25.45 | evl | Wobin: I'm just trying to name a class that encodes and decodes Details |
| 12:25.56 | Wobin | dencoder =) |
| 12:26.15 | mitch0 | DetailCoder |
| 12:26.43 | Wobin | Codifier |
| 12:26.52 | Wobin | Converter |
| 12:27.14 | mitch0 | MagicMachine |
| 12:27.26 | Wobin | Boxxy |
| 12:27.28 | jnwhiteh | if something EnCodes and DeCodes then it's a Coder =) |
| 12:27.41 | kagaro | Codex |
| 12:27.50 | Wobin | DetailMunger |
| 12:28.13 | evl | jnwhiteh: I thought the one writing the encoder and the decoder was the coder |
| 12:28.26 | jnwhiteh | well, that's true |
| 12:28.30 | jnwhiteh | but doesn't diminish my statement |
| 12:28.33 | jnwhiteh | they're both "coders" |
| 12:28.52 | koaschten | my e-tech prof always told us, if something goes in a box, something happens and something different comes out, it's always a "black box" ;) |
| 12:28.52 | Wobin | Recoder =) |
| 12:29.19 | Wobin | not exactly the correct definition |
| 12:29.26 | Wobin | it's more 'something happens that you can't see' |
| 12:29.39 | jnwhiteh | Well if you're writing code, then you are 'en-coding' the semantics of your intended program into a programming language |
| 12:29.50 | jnwhiteh | the compiler is a 'de-coder' and an 'en-coder' into compiled form |
| 12:29.51 | Wobin | whether or not something different comes out, is not a point |
| 12:29.53 | jnwhiteh | it goes on forever :P |
| 12:30.09 | Wobin | 'white box' means you can see the internals |
| 12:30.46 | koaschten | awesome useless discussions are awesome :) |
| 12:31.02 | jnwhiteh | stop en-coding your thoughts into coherent IRC messages |
| 12:31.03 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 12:31.21 | Wobin | Hypersensitive turtle butter |
| 12:31.39 | krka_ | Codec |
| 12:32.10 | Wobin | the Codec is the code though, isn't it? |
| 12:32.21 | Wobin | it's not the actual method of encoding/decoding |
| 12:35.44 | Repo | 10eclipsebarplus: 03Cybey * r12 / (2 files in 1 directory): Pulled constants out of global scope |
| 12:41.03 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/cast-time-analysis/. Cast Time Analysis. pigmonkey (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 12:42.42 | evl | Heh |
| 12:42.44 | evl | Twitter hacked :D |
| 12:42.48 | evl | Worm awaaaay |
| 12:43.46 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/putricideplague/. PutricidePlague. pigmonkey (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 12:43.55 | sbu | evl: details? |
| 12:44.04 | evl | http://mashable.com/2010/09/21/twitter-mouseover-bug/ |
| 12:44.38 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/what-killed-my-grounding-totem/. What Killed my Grounding Totem. rohnishka (Manager/Author), OrionShock (Maintainer). Approved by Torhal. |
| 12:44.41 | Wobin | http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2010/09/21/twitter-onmouseover-security-flaw-widely-exploited/ |
| 12:44.58 | evl | How does a site that large NOT escape HTML in 2010 |
| 12:45.01 | evl | God damn noobshits |
| 12:50.16 | SunTsu | evl: yeah, it's outright stupid and I'm glad to use 3rd party twitter clients |
| 12:50.36 | SunTsu | I don't know how anybody can live with using the regular page |
| 12:52.34 | Repo | 10kg-panels: 03kagaro * r377 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 12:52.36 | Repo | Added vertical and horizontal tiling options. Added sublevel options. DRYODE |
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| 13:27.14 | Repo | Localized new option strings. For now vertical and horizontal tiliing are disabled, while new frame stuff is figured out for replacement of backdrop |
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| 13:27.23 | Znuff | Hi. |
| 13:27.46 | Znuff | Is Mapster still mantained? I see the last update was in july |
| 13:29.38 | Repo | 10kg-panels: 03kagaro * r379 kgPanelsConfig/PanelHelper.lua: Adjusted sublevels to match valid range as per forums |
| 13:31.23 | mitch0 | znuff: I still use it, seems to work (although sometimes I get a misplaced ? (quest location). dunno if that's mapster's fault or not |
| 13:31.48 | Znuff | seems it will have the same faith as Cartographer |
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| 13:34.17 | kagaro | nevcairiel: has been busy with work |
| 13:34.43 | mitch0 | kagaro: the "new" backdrop thing's gonna be a mess |
| 13:34.51 | kagaro | yeah i know |
| 13:34.57 | kagaro | im gonna have to create a template |
| 13:35.00 | kagaro | in ml |
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| 13:35.05 | kagaro | xml even |
| 13:35.09 | mitch0 | well, not really |
| 13:35.26 | mitch0 | you can still do it with a plain frame |
| 13:36.15 | kagaro | the border changes now break it into several chunks |
| 13:36.27 | kagaro | and SetBackdrop is gonna go away |
| 13:36.37 | mitch0 | it's just this: the borders and backgrounds are scattered in various "ui texture" files, so we'd need to create nice bundles for them to make it easier to configure |
| 13:37.08 | mitch0 | it'd preferably go into sharedmediawidgets |
| 13:37.32 | kagaro | i may just inhert from TranslucentFrameTemplate and reset the background and border tiles |
| 13:37.39 | mitch0 | that would return a table describing the border properties (texture, textcoords for the corners and stuff, shadow, insets, etc) |
| 13:38.09 | kagaro | evry border would then define 8 sets of data to describe it |
| 13:38.27 | kagaro | ya insets go away there mitch0 |
| 13:39.02 | mitch0 | not really. I mean, you still need to position your background frame properly |
| 13:39.23 | mitch0 | (there's a template with insets) |
| 13:40.04 | kagaro | its not quite the same |
| 13:40.12 | mitch0 | how so? |
| 13:40.34 | kagaro | insets in the new stuff are define by multiple anchor points now |
| 13:40.54 | mitch0 | yes. the "old" thing did the same |
| 13:40.55 | kagaro | so there is not top,left,right,bottom your placing the bg with multiple anchors now |
| 13:41.14 | kagaro | same goes go the borders |
| 13:41.16 | mitch0 | what I say is: the "border descriptor" could still just return "insets" |
| 13:41.35 | mitch0 | and you'd use those insets to position the bg properly |
| 13:42.16 | mitch0 | what I'm proposing is: implement SetBackdrop() using a custom backdrop structure, and add a configuration thing for it in lsm/lsmwidgets |
| 13:43.16 | mitch0 | it's pretty easy actually, just a lot of digging to get the textcoords and stuff from blizz templates |
| 13:43.52 | mitch0 | I might do the framework with 1-2 examples and let the community fill in the rest ;) |
| 13:44.44 | kagaro | from kgPanels point of view it needs a lot of inner reworking, since right now it sets up 2 textures per panel. 1 for the bg and 1 for the border |
| 13:44.58 | kagaro | instead it would need 9 textures per panel |
| 13:45.09 | kagaro | 1 bg, 8 for the border |
| 13:45.35 | mitch0 | yes. but that's what happened earlier, too (with SetBackdrop) |
| 13:45.42 | kagaro | ya i know |
| 13:46.40 | mitch0 | so, would you be interested in a "LibBackdrop" kinda thing? |
| 13:47.18 | mitch0 | or you'd rather use templates? |
| 13:47.20 | kagaro | if so, i need to remove the border stuff in kgpanels artwork library, and all borders need to come from some new lib since users would have no idea how to set it up |
| 13:47.39 | mitch0 | no, you could register those with LSM |
| 13:48.03 | kagaro | i mean for end users there mitch0 right now kgPanels let users import a single texture file for a border to use |
| 13:48.13 | mitch0 | ideally LSM should have a new category: backdrop |
| 13:48.19 | kagaro | that would no longer work |
| 13:48.29 | mitch0 | please explain |
| 13:48.37 | kagaro | since they would need to know the internal coords to chunk the texture peices |
| 13:48.43 | mitch0 | indeed |
| 13:48.50 | kagaro | joe blow user would be clueless |
| 13:49.13 | mitch0 | you mean joe blow user creates his own border texture? |
| 13:49.28 | kagaro | as right now in kgpanels yes |
| 13:49.43 | mitch0 | ok, still, converting from the current border texture format is trivial |
| 13:49.48 | kagaro | they grab it from sites |
| 13:50.23 | mitch0 | so you (in kgpanels) could just load all the custom borders there and register them with a suitable descriptor |
| 13:50.44 | kagaro | assuming it was able to get teh right spots int he texture, then yes |
| 13:50.44 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r606 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 13:50.46 | Repo | - fix for custom modules generating a ton of errors if they're disabled while active (such as when changing profiles). there is still a bug where they stop running their updates like they're supposed to, but this will at least take care of the error spam |
| 13:50.49 | mitch0 | although guessing the insets might get tricky |
| 13:51.38 | mitch0 | parnic: you around? I had some errors with the mirror bar 2-3 days ago (happenes when you start swimming under water) |
| 13:51.38 | kagaro | i would most likely still use a template and just adjust the postions int he template |
| 13:51.57 | Parnic | mitch0: yes. i tried to reply but you logged off. i fixed the bug and pushed a new version right after you reported it :P |
| 13:52.00 | kagaro | so i dont have to go create all the textures for each one, just inherit the frame |
| 13:52.08 | mitch0 | parnic: cool, thanks ;) |
| 13:52.34 | mitch0 | kagaro: don't think you'll end up with less work that way |
| 13:52.54 | mitch0 | the template's are hard-coded for a given border/insets/shadow etc setting |
| 13:52.59 | mitch0 | tr -d ' |
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| 14:02.01 | quiescens | o.o |
| 14:05.52 | Znuff | meh, OmniCC 3 + SUF doesn't seem to be working, again |
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| 14:31.46 | Stanzilla | Axodious: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17750-0.2.2.html |
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| 14:40.23 | fakeh | Is it possible to get Shaman weapon enchants to ask for a target before actually casting? I'd like to cast them from a secureactionbutton with target-slot but the spells just seem to use their own ideas |
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| 14:49.10 | Axodious | thanks stan, just what i needed |
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| 14:50.09 | Vonhinten | It applies to the first weapon, mainhand then offhand, that doesn't have a temp enchant |
| 14:52.52 | Repo | 10character-notes: 03talryn1 * r31 CharacterNotes.lua: Added more calls to LibAlts |
| 14:55.11 | Axodious | soo much better than staring at itty bitty icons from pb4 in the bottom corner of my 27" monitor >_< |
| 15:00.34 | nevcairiel | Znuff: why would an addon that works perfectly fine need changing? Just to please you and see that it was changed? No thanks :p |
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| 15:02.10 | Stanzilla | it has overlapping text in beta nev :p |
| 15:02.41 | nevcairiel | who cares about beta |
| 15:02.45 | nevcairiel | still month away from live |
| 15:02.46 | Stanzilla | <- |
| 15:02.47 | Stanzilla | :p |
| 15:03.32 | koaschten | @describe EventHorizon |
| 15:03.33 | Repo | koaschten: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/eventhorizon/. EventHorizon. EventHorizon Continued by Taroven |
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| 15:11.40 | Axodious | anyone else stuck in eastern kingdoms on beta? |
| 15:11.48 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03talryn1 06talryn * r26 LibAlts-1.0.lua: Implemented ability to add reltionahips by source |
| 15:11.49 | Axodious | can't hearth take portals zep nothing |
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| 15:41.31 | Repo | 10all-played-laotseu: 03LaoTseu 07Cataclysm * r219 / (3 files in 1 directory): AllPlayed: |
| 15:41.35 | Repo | - Workaround for menu that are no longer indented |
| 15:41.36 | Repo | - Use the Blizzard strings to display money in the AllPlayed tooltip |
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| 15:58.59 | Niv | Are any of you going to blizzcon? Have you gotten your badge email yet? |
| 15:59.55 | durcyn | Axodious: hell, i can't even log in |
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| 16:37.23 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03talryn1 06talryn 04v1.0.7 * r28 : Tagging as v1.0.7 |
| 16:40.23 | Axodious | http://gizmodo.com/5643918/british-intelligence-agency-used-semen-as-invisible-ink <- fairly safe for work, the comments are amazing |
| 16:41.58 | VonhintenHOME` | It's really good for halloween too. Last year my girlfriend went out as a skunk. |
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| 16:42.27 | Repo | - Removed LuaText default codes injection |
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| 16:43.23 | Axodious | "i could have wrote the entire great american novel... invisibly!" |
| 16:44.14 | Ackis | http://www.blizzconsweepstakes.com/ |
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| 16:46.00 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03talryn1 06talryn 041.0 * r29 : Removing unneeded tag |
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| 16:49.22 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03talryn1 06talryn 04v1.7 * r36 : Tagging as v1.7 |
| 16:52.58 | ckknight | Talryn: you realize you're doing it wrong? |
| 16:53.05 | Pneumatus | lol |
| 16:53.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | ckknight: can you fix it so that when you clone the repos the tags dont get cloned |
| 16:53.35 | ckknight | no |
| 16:53.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | or stop the packager from choking on the tags |
| 16:53.58 | Pneumatus | cloning tags isnt a problem really, its the fact the packager builds them all :P |
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| 16:54.35 | Talryn | It was only building nolib versions until I removed the old tags. |
| 16:54.47 | Axodious | http://gizmodo.com/5643274/travel-tip-dont-write-a-bad-online-review-of-the-hotel-youre-currently-staying-in |
| 16:54.50 | Pneumatus | Talryn: you can delete multuple paths in one hit |
| 16:55.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah just check out mainline |
| 16:55.22 | Pneumatus | or if you're using tortoise, repo browser, multi-select, delete |
| 16:55.51 | Talryn | I was using the command line and just did one at a time. It wasn't too much work. |
| 16:56.42 | Parnic|Work | is there a good way to figure out why the crap an addon is using as much memory as it is? i can't figure out why icehud consumes 3+mb of memory |
| 16:57.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | ckknight: i want to get my .docmeta working - but im doing something wrong |
| 16:57.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | ...theres more to that |
| 17:00.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | ckknight: can you see anything wrong with it http://paste.wowace.com/2484/ |
| 17:00.16 | ckknight | looks fine enough |
| 17:01.01 | Talryn | The docmeta does seem to show up under Pages |
| 17:01.12 | sylvanaar_atwork | i made that myself |
| 17:01.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | locally |
| 17:01.17 | Talryn | Oh ok :-) |
| 17:01.41 | Talryn | Although how does docmeta and clones work out? |
| 17:02.05 | Talryn | I had wondered what would happen when it packaged it. |
| 17:02.18 | pompy | http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/google-adds-extra-gmail-security-20-09-2010/ |
| 17:03.20 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03sylvanaar * r26 LibAlts-1.0.lua: testing docmeta |
| 17:05.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | nothing |
| 17:05.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | ckknight: any ideas? |
| 17:06.18 | ckknight | no, but I've suspected there have been issues |
| 17:06.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | your lib seems to work |
| 17:06.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | i should see what you are doing differently |
| 17:08.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | it doesnt show up in the search - i think the search is broken |
| 17:08.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | @describe liblinq |
| 17:08.19 | Repo | sylvanaar_atwork: No project found that matches 'liblinq' |
| 17:08.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | @describe LibLinq-1.0 |
| 17:08.32 | Repo | sylvanaar_atwork: No project found that matches 'liblinq-1.0' |
| 17:08.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | @describe LibLinq-1-0 |
| 17:08.43 | Repo | sylvanaar_atwork: http://www.wowace.com/addons/liblinq-1-0/. LibLinq-1.0. A collection management library similar to .NET's System.Linq |
| 17:09.05 | ckknight | it doesn't always work, sylvanaar_atwork |
| 17:09.45 | Talryn | Did you try just using input-files: "*.lua" |
| 17:09.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | they should let you do a little maintenance |
| 17:10.42 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03sylvanaar * r27 .docmeta: input-files: "*.lua" |
| 17:13.26 | sylvanaar_atwork | Talryn: you have beginner's luck it seems |
| 17:13.49 | Talryn | Did it work? |
| 17:13.57 | Talryn | and by that you mean copy what works? :-) |
| 17:14.44 | quiescens | are you breaking things again? |
| 17:14.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | i dont know - it made it do more than it did - but im not sure if it actually updated |
| 17:15.01 | Pneumatus | is greylisting an acceptible alternative to using spamassassin, or should they be used in conjunction? |
| 17:17.26 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03sylvanaar * r28 LibAlts-1.0.lua: try changing non-comment portion of the source |
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| 17:22.44 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03sylvanaar * r29 .docmeta: try specifying as a subpage of Main |
| 17:25.21 | HPT_ | is it possible to remove an element from a ScrollingMessageFrame after you have put it on there with AddMessage()? i have tried GetChildren and GetRegions. children returns nil. with GetRegions i can get the t can get the top FontString, and then can get the actual text of it with GetText, or i can get the ID of the top fontstring, but i cant find any way to remove the element from the ScrollingMessageFrame. |
| 17:26.02 | HPT_ | ive tried setting things to nil. that didnt work |
| 17:26.25 | HPT_ | theres clear() of course but i want to only remove the last inserted element |
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| 17:27.53 | koaschten | is there a /script command to release corpse` |
| 17:27.55 | koaschten | ? |
| 17:28.32 | koaschten | found it |
| 17:28.38 | koaschten | repopme() |
| 17:28.40 | koaschten | awesome :D |
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| 17:32.33 | quiescens | o.o |
| 17:35.15 | kagaro | does anyone have the tex coords for the dialog border top middle segment? |
| 17:35.34 | haste | just look in the framexml |
| 17:35.50 | kagaro | it uses set backdrop for the border |
| 17:36.14 | kagaro | im trying to take old border tetures and remap them to the new border setup |
| 17:36.38 | kagaro | ive got the corners, left, right and bottom chunked out, but ive got something wrong with top |
| 17:37.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | HPT_: not really |
| 17:39.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | it works like a fauxscrollframe, so there is no 1:1 mapping between fontstrings and text lines |
| 17:40.03 | sylvanaar_atwork | you can try adding extra parameters to addmessage to use the new api's they added |
| 17:40.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | dunno if that works |
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| 17:42.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | :RemoveMessagesByAccessID(accessID); |
| 17:42.29 | TNSe | this is ... weird |
| 17:42.52 | TNSe | pws gains absorb at a specific amount of spp |
| 17:43.31 | TNSe | nvm, 4 pc t10 :P |
| 17:43.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | self:AddMessage(body, info.r, info.g, info.b, info.id, false, accessID, typeID); |
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| 17:56.51 | HPT_ | sylvanaar_artwork: is that new with the cata beta? is there a page that has more info the new apis |
| 17:57.26 | HPT_ | i havent seen anything about RemoveMessagesByAccessID(accessID) when looking around for info on this |
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| 18:04.17 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03sylvanaar 06talryn * r38 LibAlts-1.0.lua: upvalue everything |
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| 18:19.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | HPT_: its new for 3.3.5 |
| 18:22.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | but i dont know if you can actually use it for your own purposes |
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| 18:38.30 | quiescens | moo? |
| 18:41.30 | HPT_ | ok cool i am looking into this. thanks sylvanaar |
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| 19:16.26 | Repo | 10spamalyzer: 03yoshimo 07master * 3.3.5-1.0.7-5-g4a0d410 Prefixes.lua: [+1 commit] - Added "Guild Warden" prefix |
| 19:19.41 | Repo | 10xperl: 03mysticalos * r380 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 19:19.43 | Repo | LibHealComm-4.0 is now properly supported in optional dependancies. |
| 19:20.49 | yoshimo | xperl is immortal it seems ;) |
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| 19:23.05 | Torhal | yoshimo: It's beginning to rival Cartographer. |
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| 19:34.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 19:35.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | so much h8 for carto...it was such a great addon |
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| 19:35.38 | yoshimo | do we have any other competitors for this title torhal? ;) |
| 19:37.46 | sylvanaar_atwork | what is the title exactly |
| 19:38.22 | Talryn | the Undying? |
| 19:39.15 | yoshimo | mhm good question, maybe addon, that is kept alive by fanupdates for the biggest amount of time since it was officially abandoned by its author |
| 19:39.58 | nevcairiel | too long for a title |
| 19:41.19 | yoshimo | indeed^^ |
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| 19:43.39 | Tentacled | The Brezhnev. |
| 19:45.46 | evl | Does hooksecurefunc and HookScript understand duplicate hooks? I mean will it hook to the same function twice? |
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| 19:49.33 | HPT_ | sylvanaar_atwork: where is there documentation on AddMessage(body, info.r, info.g, info.b, info.id, false, accessID, typeID) and RemoveMessagesByAccessID(accessID)? |
| 19:49.38 | Tentacled | they do, otherwise hooks made by different addons would fight. |
| 19:49.50 | Tentacled | evl: neither supports UNhooking, though. |
| 19:50.02 | evl | good to know |
| 19:50.24 | Stanzilla | man heroic deadmines are cool |
| 19:50.51 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03talryn1 06talryn * r40 LibAlts-1.0.lua: Checking for nil input in GetMain's |
| 19:51.29 | HPT_ | i am adding messages with sequential ints for accessID and then trying to RemoveMessagesByAccessID(accessID) to remove the top one. it doesnt give errors but it does nothing |
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| 19:57.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | you need to see how its done in ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler |
| 19:57.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | like i said - i dont know that you can actually repurpose it |
| 19:58.03 | Xinhuan | so what does it do |
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| 19:59.09 | HPT_ | k |
| 19:59.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | lets you remove lines from the scrolling message frames |
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| 20:21.54 | Caleb| | !api getinstancedif |
| 20:21.55 | lua_bot | GetInstanceDifficulty: Returns difficulty setting for the current dungeon/raid instance (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetInstanceDifficulty) |
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| 20:52.52 | Pneumatus | is totemic recall broken on beta, or is it just me? :< |
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| 21:46.47 | vhaarr | ckknight: have you seen this? Civilization V uses Fubar; http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2010/09/Civilization-V-review-1.jpg |
| 21:46.58 | ckknight | yea, I've been playing it |
| 21:46.59 | ckknight | :P |
| 21:47.02 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 21:47.21 | vhaarr | I was just reading a review about it, think I want to try it out |
| 21:47.26 | vhaarr | or maybe not, I'll probably get hooked :P |
| 21:49.16 | ckknight | lol\ |
| 21:51.57 | Pneumatus | i hate the new spell queueing mechanic going on on beta :< |
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| 22:03.14 | zerix | srsly |
| 22:03.16 | steev | ugh |
| 22:03.20 | steev | SWG did that shit |
| 22:03.56 | Stanzilla | Pneumatus: what's new about that? |
| 22:04.38 | Niv | I still miss the old GCD |
| 22:04.49 | zerix | it's much more pronounced on beta |
| 22:04.55 | zerix | especially for us 1sec gcd'ers |
| 22:05.18 | Pneumatus | i've been trying to play elemental and its taking me 2/3 lightning bolts to weave a lava burst or shock in |
| 22:05.23 | Pneumatus | when i'd get it first time on live |
| 22:05.47 | zerix | it's really really bad with energy |
| 22:06.03 | zerix | since if you're out of energy it will queue up stuff even though your're out of energy |
| 22:06.12 | Pneumatus | because my next lightning bolt is already queued and i hit LvB/shocks just as the last cast ends |
| 22:06.18 | zerix | so you can mutilate, out of energy, queue up another, something starts casting, you won't kick until the mutilate goes off |
| 22:06.27 | zerix | yeah |
| 22:06.28 | Pneumatus | rogues also suffer from wasted CPs |
| 22:06.29 | zerix | its fucking bad |
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| 22:06.49 | zerix | yea you'll envenom, get a mut crit be at 4 points |
| 22:07.06 | zerix | but form spamming mut you mut again for a massive energy loss |
| 22:07.18 | Pneumatus | its especially bad for dynamic cooldown abilities or procs |
| 22:07.55 | Pneumatus | so rogues with HaT and whatnot, and eleme shamans with their entirely variable LvB cooldown and EM cooldown along with reactionals like ES |
| 22:07.59 | zerix | i just thought it was bad latency for awhile, i didnt know how to check latency on default ui, felt like i had 200-300 ms, then i hover the computer icon and i have 75 |
| 22:08.03 | zerix | then i went investigating |
| 22:08.56 | Pneumatus | it also cocks up interrupts |
| 22:09.04 | Pneumatus | because you might have a spell already queued |
| 22:09.12 | zerix | yeah |
| 22:09.16 | zerix | <zerix> so you can mutilate, out of energy, queue up another, something starts casting, you won't kick until the mutilate goes off |
| 22:09.29 | zerix | u can bitch in the thread my guild mate made on it |
| 22:09.32 | zerix | if u want:P |
| 22:09.50 | Pneumatus | the one started by Kasualitis? |
| 22:09.57 | zerix | yeah |
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| 22:10.18 | Pneumatus | think i already chipped in when it was annoying me playing shadow priest |
| 22:10.27 | Pneumatus | but as elemental, it makes it almost unplayable properly |
| 22:10.38 | Pneumatus | for shadow it generally was not bad, because it stops MF clipping |
| 22:10.52 | zerix | i'm not sure the reasoning behind it really |
| 22:11.01 | Pneumatus | MF clipping i'd imagine |
| 22:11.02 | zerix | i mean, thats part of good game play |
| 22:11.05 | zerix | and maximizing damage |
| 22:11.49 | zerix | there's already a queuing system on live for casters isn't there |
| 22:12.06 | zerix | i havent played casting alts in a long long time |
| 22:12.06 | Pneumatus | if there is, its not noticable |
| 22:12.17 | Pneumatus | because you can clip MF easily and lose the last tick |
| 22:13.44 | sztanpet | is there some new ui for this queueing stuff? |
| 22:13.47 | sztanpet | or it just feels wrong |
| 22:14.13 | Pneumatus | it feels wrong |
| 22:14.16 | zerix | nothing visually new other than the next ability beind lit up before gcd comes up |
| 22:14.46 | Pneumatus | yeh, it plays almost like the old next-swing attacks now |
| 22:15.00 | zerix | it's just one of those things, if it was liek this from the beginning fine, but it's been 5 years with it one way, and to all of a sudden change it now, seems so pointless |
| 22:15.23 | zerix | and to also not have an option to turn it off is more asanine |
| 22:15.57 | Pneumatus | with 400+ms to US servers i guess it could be a bit more pronounced than it will end up on live, but US seem to be moaning about it just as much |
| 22:16.16 | zerix | i have 75ms on beta and it's very bad |
| 22:16.53 | Pneumatus | i can queue a second lightning bolt up as early as about 0.7 sec before the current one finishes casting |
| 22:16.58 | Pneumatus | which is rediculous |
| 22:16.59 | zerix | i guess very bad is misleading, it's just anonying |
| 22:17.37 | zerix | yeah i can start queueing up the next ability about .4s into my 1sec gcd |
| 22:18.04 | zerix | which is right on the edge of where you stop spamming something after the ability goes off |
| 22:18.42 | Niv | we have queuing for casters on live, yes |
| 22:18.54 | Niv | and mind flay has been changed on beta to try stop clipping |
| 22:19.04 | Niv | but it sounds like they are tweaking something |
| 22:19.31 | Pneumatus | i can't queue a spell until GCD has elapsed, but for lightning bolt at least, with a 1.7 sec cast i can still queue 0.7sec before the cast ends |
| 22:20.05 | Pneumatus | anyway, its horrible |
| 22:20.23 | zerix | i'll make a video later tonight maybe |
| 22:20.24 | zerix | showing it |
| 22:20.33 | zerix | but im waiting for my premades to be copied over for heroics |
| 22:20.39 | zerix | i think logging in delays it iirc |
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| 22:51.34 | lua_bot | Found 45 possible matches for 'instance'. Please be more specific |
| 22:51.37 | Caleb| | !api instancetime |
| 22:51.38 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'instancetime'. |
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| 22:51.46 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'lockout': CalendarEventSetLockoutDate, CalendarEventSetLockoutTime |
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