| 00:02.56 | Daegalus | ah wait vhaar, i have to make the bar locally only. since this is called when i process pizza timers for DXE or DBM, and make a Bigwigs bar for the receiving person only. so would i just add true to the "10 test" ("10 test true") to make it local only? or do i have to go the toher route with the Events |
| 00:03.05 | Daegalus | vhaarr* |
| 00:03.45 | vhaarr | actually you can use a real hack |
| 00:03.56 | vhaarr | _G["SlashCmdList"]["BWLCB_SHORTHAND"]("10 Test") |
| 00:04.03 | sylvanaar | i can suggest a patch to fix it - but its a hack |
| 00:04.17 | sylvanaar | or did you already suggest a fix vhaarr |
| 00:04.36 | vhaarr | sylvanaar: no, I just pasted the stack to him |
| 00:06.21 | sylvanaar | yeah, that code is still unimplemented and just needs to be removed |
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| 00:07.22 | sylvanaar | there is still opt = LibStub("AceConfigRegistry-3.0"):GetOptionsTable("ag_UnitFrames", "cmd", "AceTab-3.0") in it |
| 00:08.04 | vhaarr | yeah I know |
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| 00:08.18 | vhaarr | don't tell me, just file a ticket |
| 00:08.27 | vhaarr | which is what I was too lazy to do :P |
| 00:09.12 | Daegalus | anyways, thank you very much vhaarr, you really helped me out. |
| 00:09.17 | vhaarr | no problem |
| 00:09.35 | sylvanaar | http://ace.pastey.net/140732 the 2 lines with REMOVED have the changes i made |
| 00:09.43 | sylvanaar | ill make a ticket i guess |
| 00:10.48 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: wake up and fix it =P |
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| 00:18.22 | sylvanaar | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/tickets/170-ace-config-tab-breaks-blizzard-tab-completion-in-40000/ |
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| 00:43.22 | Daegalus | what data type does time() return? number? string? |
| 00:43.33 | Shefki | unix time |
| 00:43.44 | Fisker | your mom Shefki :( |
| 00:43.46 | Daegalus | well i know its unix time i mean |
| 00:43.48 | Daegalus | is it an int |
| 00:43.49 | Daegalus | or a string |
| 00:43.51 | Daegalus | or float |
| 00:43.52 | Daegalus | what |
| 00:43.57 | Shefki | It doesn't matter in Lua. |
| 00:44.07 | Shefki | And there is no such thing as an int in Lua. |
| 00:44.08 | Fisker | it's a number! |
| 00:44.10 | Shefki | All numbers are float. |
| 00:44.23 | Daegalus | .... ok i asked if it was a number or string in my first question then |
| 00:44.28 | Fisker | i could kill you Shefki |
| 00:44.30 | Fisker | night |
| 00:44.40 | Shefki | Daegalus: You couuld have just done /dump type(time()) |
| 00:44.46 | Repo | 10combustionfix (experimental): 03pigmonkey * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): initial commit |
| 00:44.54 | Shefki | And found out for yourself, so I'm assuming you wanted more info than you were asking. |
| 00:45.07 | Repo | 10combustionfix (experimental): 03pigmonkey 04v1.0 * r3 : Tagging as v1.0 |
| 00:45.21 | Shefki | lua> type(time()) |
| 00:45.22 | lua_bot | Shefki: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'time' (a nil value) |
| 00:45.24 | Fisker | farts, whiffs it and starts flapping his arms towards shefki |
| 00:45.36 | Daegalus | ok, well then here is my question, why does "variable = time()" error with "attempted to call local 'time' (a number value)" |
| 00:46.02 | Shefki | Daegalus: Because someone made a variable called time and put a number in it. |
| 00:46.15 | Fisker | oooooooooooh snap |
| 00:46.21 | Funkeh` | user GetTime() not time |
| 00:46.25 | Funkeh` | use* |
| 00:46.33 | Shefki | lua> type(os.time()) |
| 00:46.34 | lua_bot | Shefki: number |
| 00:46.44 | Shefki | He probably wants time() |
| 00:46.47 | Shefki | GetTime blows. |
| 00:46.57 | Funkeh` | I highly doubt that. |
| 00:47.17 | Shefki | GetTime is not usable across reloads. |
| 00:47.18 | Daegalus | ya i need unix time |
| 00:48.59 | Daegalus | that solved my issue, i compltely forgot in lua does that for variables and functions |
| 00:52.26 | Torhal | Daegalus: Do this: /script print(type(time())) |
| 00:52.26 | Torhal | And that's what I ghet for answering before fully reading scrollback. |
| 00:52.26 | Torhal | get* |
| 00:52.57 | Repo | 10combustionfix (experimental): 03pigmonkey * r4 .pkgmeta: .pkgmeta added |
| 00:53.07 | Daegalus | Torhal: its ok, it solved all my problems. Thanks though. I had a variable time used throughout the addon |
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| 01:15.05 | Daegalus | can anyone check if there is anything wrong with my regex, im horrible at regex: local seconds, name = string.match(messsage, "BWCustomBar ([0-9]+) ([a-zA-Z0-9\s]+)") |
| 01:15.15 | Daegalus | the goal is to get the Seconds, and everything remaining in the string, into name |
| 01:15.44 | Daegalus | since BigWigs uses spaces to seperate, i cant use ("\s"):split to seperate it |
| 01:16.05 | Shefki | Well Lua doesn't have regex it has patterns. |
| 01:16.10 | Shefki | % is the escape character not \ |
| 01:16.45 | Shefki | www.wowwiki.com/Pattern_matching |
| 01:16.50 | Funkeh` | Daegalus, http://www.lua.org/pil/20.2.html |
| 01:17.28 | Daegalus | mmm thats interesting, so used to Warhammer addon programming, it had full regex implemented |
| 01:17.38 | Shefki | They probably added it. |
| 01:17.47 | Shefki | They changed a lot of string stuff in Warhammer. |
| 01:17.59 | Daegalus | thats true |
| 01:18.09 | Daegalus | mostly to support wide strings |
| 01:18.26 | Shefki | Right and the Lua built in string library only sorta supports Unicode. |
| 01:19.13 | Shefki | Probably the weakest support for Unicode string wise is the pattern system. |
| 01:19.26 | Daegalus | ya, hmm so would my pattern for is be something like "BWCustomBar %d ([%a%p%s]+)" ? |
| 01:19.43 | Shefki | It's difficult to answer when I don't know what you're trying to match. |
| 01:20.02 | Daegalus | "BWCustomBar 20 Some Random Text That shows Up In The Bar" |
| 01:20.07 | Daegalus | thats what im trying to match |
| 01:21.17 | Torhal | Daegalus: Lua doesn't haev regular expressions. |
| 01:21.17 | Torhal | It has pattern matching, which can do much but isn't a true regex. |
| 01:21.17 | Torhal | Daegalus: Here's a good read on the subject: http://www.wowwiki.com/Pattern_matching |
| 01:21.30 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.35 | Daegalus | Torhal: late to the party again, Shefki already covered it |
| 01:22.01 | Torhal | Daegalus: That's interesting - in my window, I answered three minutes before him. |
| 01:22.11 | Torhal | I must have some network issues |
| 01:22.19 | Daegalus | in my windo you answered 5 minutes after him |
| 01:22.24 | Torhal | Heh |
| 01:22.41 | Shefki | Well you're responding to CTCP's plenty fast. |
| 01:23.03 | Torhal | 21:17:29 +Torhal | Daegalus: Lua doesn't haev regular expressions. |
| 01:23.03 | Torhal | 21:20:49 Shefki | Well Lua doesn't have regex it has patterns. |
| 01:23.25 | Daegalus | lol |
| 01:23.32 | Shefki | 18:16 < Shefki> Well Lua doesn't have regex it has patterns. |
| 01:23.39 | Shefki | 18:21 <+Torhal> Daegalus: Lua doesn't haev regular expressions. |
| 01:23.51 | Daegalus | wooo go go networking |
| 01:25.08 | Torhal | :D |
| 01:25.08 | Torhal | Must be sporadic. |
| 01:25.34 | Shefki | CTCP PING reply from Torhal: 7.885 seconds |
| 01:25.38 | Shefki | Yeah you've got problems. |
| 01:26.04 | Daegalus | i think you need to take a sledgehammer to your router. The Screen Savers style |
| 01:26.19 | koaschten_ | lets all ctcp torhal so we push him of the net ! |
| 01:26.31 | Shefki | It's entirely possible that it's the IRC network and not his network. |
| 01:26.59 | Torhal | I'd say so, considering the packets took five minutes to get to you. Or to me, whichever. |
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| 01:28.44 | Daegalus | mmmm, soo close to releasing the first beta release of this thing >.> |
| 01:29.30 | bluspacecow | *sigh* |
| 01:29.38 | bluspacecow | i don't know what to do :( |
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| 02:18.38 | Repo | - Cataclysm zone update |
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| 02:34.37 | Daegalus | hey vhaarr, doing it through the slash command is hacky enough to give me problems with double bars, so i tried the SendMessage way, and it just errors on Colors.lua for getting a value ?. This is how i use it: "local PizzaBoyEvents = {}; LibStub("AceEvent-3.0"):Embed(PizzaBoyEvents)" "PizzaBoyEvents:SendMessage("BigWigs_StartBar", addon, 1, message, seconds, ICON)" |
| 02:45.19 | Repo | 10acp: 03sylvanaar * r59 ACP.xml: |
| 02:45.21 | Repo | fix an error in the button positioning. we were not properly anchoring the macro button beneath us on the menu |
| 02:49.37 | Repo | 10grid: 03Greltok * r1316 GridRoster.lua: |
| 02:49.39 | Repo | When inside a raid instance, base the raid size on the raid info. This addresses issues with older raid instances that do not support multiple sizes. |
| 03:02.56 | Repo | 10grid: 03Greltok 07ace3 * r1317 / (2 files in 1 directory): Merged trunk r1316 to Ace3 branch. |
| 03:02.58 | Repo | When inside a raid instance, base the raid size on the raid info. This addresses issues with older raid instances that do not support multiple sizes. |
| 03:02.59 | Repo | Additionally, renamed "heroic_raid" to "raid_25", "raid" to "raid_10". |
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| 03:10.21 | Repo | 10acp: 03sylvanaar * r60 ACP.xml: |
| 03:10.23 | Repo | insert the addon button by taking the anchor from the macro button and making it the anchor of the addon button, then replacing the anchor of the macro button with an anchor to the addon button. This will hopefully help with compatibility with other addons that add buttons to the menu. |
| 03:18.11 | sylvanaar | anyone in this channel know any addons that add buttons to the game menu? |
| 03:19.01 | nebula | acp! |
| 03:19.10 | nebula | :p |
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| 03:21.26 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 03:21.37 | sylvanaar | im trying to test the new compatibility change i just made |
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| 03:21.58 | sylvanaar | some other addon was adding a button also, and they were clashing |
| 03:23.27 | Repo | 10acp: 03sylvanaar 043.3.6 * r61 : Tagging as 3.3.6 |
| 03:23.32 | sylvanaar | eff it |
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| 03:32.47 | Torhal | sylvanaar: OptionHouse |
| 03:33.18 | Torhal | I believe MoveAnything modifies the menu as well. |
| 03:34.59 | sylvanaar | i think optionhouse might have compatibility issues, idk if its optionhouse or acp yet |
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| 03:36.26 | sylvanaar | lol moveanything has a good strategy |
| 03:36.43 | sylvanaar | the button is underneath the game menu |
| 03:42.23 | sylvanaar | nah, optionhouse is using the same code acp does...i think qMenuKey is the culprit |
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| 04:04.39 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r593 / (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 04:04.41 | Repo | - fixed the mirror bar: changed function declaration "class.new" to "class:new" in IceCore_CreateClass so that "self" doesn't get included in ... when init is called. this was causing an off-by-one error in the order of parameters passed to mirrorbar's "init" method and surprisingly didn't break anything else (looks like judicious use of 'ifs' in some defensive coding saved the rest of the modules); thanks to mitch0 for the report |
| 04:04.42 | Repo | - added an argument to IceElement's init function that allows modules to skip the registration with the core. mirrorbars need this since they are created on demand and not saved with the rest of the bars |
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| 04:12.51 | quiescens | o.o |
| 04:19.42 | Parnic | my thoughts exactly |
| 04:52.37 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r616 modules/Font.lua: improve handling of font face and font size |
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| 05:04.19 | ckknight | Parnic: why'd you change it to :new?, there's no reason for that. |
| 05:06.56 | Parnic | so that ... wouldn't start with 'self' |
| 05:07.18 | Parnic | all of the existing :init methods do not expect the first arg to be self |
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| 05:12.53 | ckknight | Parnic: I think your code's wrong. |
| 05:12.56 | ckknight | :P |
| 05:13.02 | ckknight | lemme check it out |
| 05:13.07 | ckknight | @project ice-hud |
| 05:13.08 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ice-hud/. IceHUD. Game: WoW. Parnic (Manager/Author). Updated: 67 minutes ago. Tickets: 2/75 |
| 05:13.20 | Parnic | could be! ;) |
| 05:13.30 | Parnic | it's really old code :P |
| 05:13.37 | Parnic | and i'm not awesome at lua |
| 05:13.54 | Parnic | but :new works great :P |
| 05:13.57 | ckknight | oh |
| 05:14.06 | ckknight | it's cause you're calling it as :new |
| 05:14.08 | ckknight | instead of .new |
| 05:14.14 | Parnic | that i am |
| 05:14.15 | ckknight | which is arguably wrong |
| 05:14.17 | ckknight | but meh |
| 05:14.23 | ckknight | whatever floats your boat |
| 05:14.24 | Parnic | "meh" indeed :P |
| 05:14.40 | Parnic | i already touched all 50+ files once :P |
| 05:14.54 | Xinhuan | wait, you have an addon that spans 50 files? |
| 05:14.56 | ckknight | oh yea, that reminds me of that time when I touched your mom's "file" |
| 05:15.02 | ckknight | bow chicka bow wow |
| 05:15.05 | Parnic | yes xinhuan |
| 05:15.15 | ckknight | nothing wrong with proper segregation, Xinhuan |
| 05:15.23 | Xinhuan | the only addons that i can think of that should have that many files are boss mods |
| 05:15.33 | Parnic | there are a lot of modules :P |
| 05:15.40 | Xinhuan | well, i suppose |
| 05:15.48 | Xinhuan | but don't overdo it! |
| 05:16.01 | ckknight | PitBull probably has more |
| 05:16.01 | Parnic | over 4 years of evolution on the mod will do that |
| 05:51.35 | sylvanaar | how do i store character specific data in AceDB, in the char's SVs |
| 05:51.44 | sylvanaar | make a separate DB? |
| 05:52.03 | Parnic | self.db.char ? |
| 05:52.11 | Torhal | sylvanaar: ^^ this |
| 05:52.26 | sylvanaar | that ends up in the shared saved variables |
| 05:52.37 | Torhal | Oh |
| 05:52.41 | Torhal | You want a separate file |
| 05:52.53 | Torhal | I think you'll have to use @@ SavedVariablesPerChar |
| 05:52.57 | Torhal | ## rather |
| 05:52.59 | sylvanaar | yeah, i have that |
| 05:53.11 | sylvanaar | do i need to init another db for that? |
| 05:53.30 | Torhal | I've never seen anyone use AceDB with that |
| 05:53.33 | sylvanaar | i suppose i can just write to it directly and not use acedb |
| 05:53.36 | Torhal | Aye |
| 05:54.49 | sylvanaar | ace2 used to handle that |
| 05:55.21 | sylvanaar | you could register your db with both a shared and char specific SV |
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| 06:18.39 | Parnic | @project fusionhud |
| 06:18.40 | Repo | Parnic: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/fusionhud/. FusionHUD. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. hunter053 (Manager/Author). Updated: 30 minutes ago |
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| 06:22.58 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: that was such a rare use-case that we didnt implement it again. So yes, write directly or create a second object |
| 06:23.06 | sylvanaar | kk |
| 06:26.05 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r617 modules (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 06:26.07 | Repo | finally..new module: scrollback - saves the last 50 lines of actual chat text on each frame and restores them at login. off by default - currently has no options |
| 06:26.23 | nevcairiel | but funny that in the last week, 2 people asked, while it really didnt come up the years before |
| 06:26.43 | sylvanaar | thats typical |
| 06:26.46 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 06:27.12 | sylvanaar | i have a good usecase for per-char storage - i dont really need a DB for it though |
| 06:27.49 | nevcairiel | the strength of AceDB is in defaults and profiles anyway, and defaults are mostly used for settings which you shouldnt store per-char |
| 06:29.01 | nevcairiel | anyhow, so i logged into WoW today to find out when the brewfest starts, and for fun i just signed up for LFD random heroic, and i saw my first battered hilt drop, and won it. Wonder what that thing is still worth |
| 06:29.15 | Parnic | goes for around 650 on our servers |
| 06:29.19 | Parnic | down from 1k a few months ago |
| 06:29.24 | nevcairiel | that low, eh |
| 06:29.31 | sylvanaar | oh nev now that you are here |
| 06:29.38 | Parnic | mostly because there are 10+ on the AH most of the time |
| 06:29.46 | nevcairiel | we have 3 on the AH, lowest at 7k |
| 06:30.00 | Parnic | what the heck? lol |
| 06:30.25 | nebula | they still regularly go for 10-15k on my server |
| 06:30.28 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/tickets/170-ace-config-tab-breaks-blizzard-tab-completion-in-40000/ |
| 06:30.39 | nevcairiel | Like you can see, i commented already! |
| 06:30.46 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 06:30.46 | Parnic | okay...i must have dropped an order of magnitude in my memory |
| 06:30.52 | Parnic | goes to check his AH |
| 06:31.02 | sylvanaar | you are too fast for me |
| 06:31.15 | nevcairiel | but seriously, those functions dont really serve a purpose, do they? |
| 06:31.17 | sylvanaar | yeah, yank em imo - they dont do anything |
| 06:31.19 | nevcairiel | they were n ever finished |
| 06:31.38 | sylvanaar | yep |
| 06:31.43 | Parnic | k, i'm dumb. must have been thinking of something else. grats on your new cash money :P |
| 06:32.00 | Parnic | ah, primordial saronite! that's what it was |
| 06:32.19 | nebula | heh, thats about right |
| 06:32.53 | nevcairiel | the whole file can go, i guess |
| 06:32.59 | Parnic | i was really sad to find out that blizzard moved their dallas servers. i'm in dallas and didn't know they had a datacenter here until it was already gone :P |
| 06:34.11 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r966 AceTab-3.0 (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 06:34.13 | Repo | Remove AceConfigTab as it was never functional and breaks tab completion on 4.0 |
| 06:35.55 | Xinhuan | battered hilt, nevcairiel? |
| 06:36.00 | Xinhuan | on my server still 8k easily |
| 06:36.06 | Xinhuan | because the price of that thing will only go up |
| 06:36.13 | Xinhuan | for achievement whores |
| 06:36.24 | nevcairiel | so i should keep it a year and sell it then? :P |
| 06:36.29 | Xinhuan | possibly |
| 06:36.45 | Vonhinten | Parnic, the dallas datacenter's ATT route was fucking horrible |
| 06:36.47 | Xinhuan | 8k for 10 points is cheap, considering say tundra travellers mount is 18k |
| 06:36.58 | Parnic | vonhinten: i was on TWC :P |
| 06:36.58 | Xinhuan | or the engineering one |
| 06:36.59 | nevcairiel | at least that mount gives you the mount too |
| 06:37.05 | nevcairiel | the hilt will be useless |
| 06:37.28 | Xinhuan | still, i think it will rise, not sure whether you agree |
| 06:38.02 | nebula | i live in MN, and my route to dallas was like me -> chi -> russia -> seatle -> la -> dallas |
| 06:38.05 | nevcairiel | it'll be even more rare with people no longer running heroics every day |
| 06:38.21 | nevcairiel | i'll just keep it for a while |
| 06:38.23 | Parnic | i've got a constant 200-300ms ping from dallas to chi now :( |
| 06:38.30 | Parnic | not a great experience |
| 06:38.46 | Parnic | er, dallas to ny* i mean. i'm on US-Blade's Edge |
| 06:38.56 | Xinhuan | why would it be that high |
| 06:39.00 | Parnic | no clue :( |
| 06:39.08 | Xinhuan | i connect 12 hours across the globe and i barely get 200+ |
| 06:39.15 | nebula | you use the tcp nodelay tweaks? |
| 06:39.18 | nevcairiel | i finally got my ISP to enable fast ping |
| 06:39.22 | Parnic | no i don't |
| 06:39.29 | Xinhuan | nope, i do use a SSH tunnel sometimes though |
| 06:39.33 | Xinhuan | which emulates the nodelay |
| 06:39.48 | Parnic | i have a 30mbit line, too. should be awesome but noooo :P |
| 06:40.17 | Parnic | 53ms ping on speedtest.net to NY, NY |
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| 06:40.39 | Repo | 10acp: 03sylvanaar * r62 ACP.xml: fix self anchoring error |
| 06:41.19 | nevcairiel | bandwidth doesnt say anything about latency :p |
| 06:41.38 | Parnic | i know. just pointing out that it's not some crappy little line that can hardly move any data |
| 06:41.47 | Parnic | hence the extra info about ping ;) |
| 06:42.27 | nevcairiel | my ingame ping says usually around 100 |
| 06:42.32 | nevcairiel | using no reg tweaks or anything |
| 06:42.42 | nevcairiel | pinging google.com gives me about 23ms |
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| 06:42.56 | nevcairiel | the ingame is just weird |
| 06:43.03 | Parnic | i get 46 to google. blech. |
| 06:43.25 | nevcairiel | will be interesting once they activate my fast-ping dsl option |
| 06:43.51 | nevcairiel | or fastpath, or however its called with everyones isp :p |
| 06:44.03 | Parnic | i haven't heard of this |
| 06:45.25 | nevcairiel | They drop the interleaving (part of error correction in ADSL) which allows sending packets earlier, reducing latency. |
| 06:46.43 | quiescens | google.com isn't a great thingy to test |
| 06:47.06 | nevcairiel | pinging my own server gives me 20ms :P |
| 06:47.10 | nevcairiel | even better! |
| 06:47.19 | quiescens | its a good candidate to test whether you can ping, but isn't great for testing how high your ping is |
| 06:47.42 | quiescens | rather, its not great for comparing with someone else |
| 06:47.51 | quiescens | you're unlikely to actually be pinging the same ip |
| 06:48.17 | nevcairiel | thats why i picked it, it was most likely to give me a local server through geo location |
| 06:48.22 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r618 modules/Scrollback.lua: |
| 06:48.24 | Repo | add descriptive text for the option panel. pick up localizations. pick up latest ace3 fix |
| 06:49.33 | nevcairiel | comparing pings against the same IP is pointless with you US guys anyway |
| 06:51.12 | gtsafas | Is it better to use the XML for a ui or is it better to code it in lua? |
| 06:51.18 | quiescens | looks at the list of people talking |
| 06:52.33 | nevcairiel | gtsafas: personal preference |
| 06:52.48 | gtsafas | what tends to be cleaner? |
| 06:53.55 | gtsafas | meh ill use xml, abstraction ftw |
| 06:54.38 | nevcairiel | Most people around here prefer Lua, but if you're comfortable with XML, go with it |
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| 06:55.01 | gtsafas | hmm |
| 06:55.24 | Xinhuan | lua can generally do what xml can do in about 20% lines coded comparatively |
| 06:55.24 | nevcairiel | there is no real advantage to either side |
| 06:55.28 | quiescens | there are probably things that can |
| 06:55.32 | quiescens | blah |
| 06:55.36 | gtsafas | when I load two lua modules do they have access to eachothers functions? |
| 06:55.43 | quiescens | there are probably things that can't be done in the xml, so you end up having to do some in lua anyway |
| 06:55.51 | Xinhuan | yes they do |
| 06:55.55 | gtsafas | ah cool |
| 06:55.57 | Xinhuan | but as lua files are loaded in order |
| 06:56.01 | nevcairiel | actually, there is things that can't be done in Lua that you need to do in the xml |
| 06:56.07 | Xinhuan | the 2nd file's functions may not be defined yet |
| 06:56.09 | nebula | was mostly vis versa, bliz tended to implement things in xml first |
| 06:56.23 | gtsafas | well ill start in lua and make changes when I get stuck |
| 06:58.01 | gtsafas | ty |
| 06:59.58 | gtsafas | Anyone have a good tut to get started with ui |
| 07:00.04 | gtsafas | wowwiki doesnt see too helpful |
| 07:00.18 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 07:00.26 | gtsafas | is there a list of all the elements? |
| 07:00.32 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 07:00.38 | Xinhuan | but it will likely just confuse you rather than help |
| 07:00.50 | gtsafas | Why is that? |
| 07:01.22 | Xinhuan | because there's like 30 types of elements with about 200 different functions attached to them |
| 07:01.30 | Xinhuan | your best bet is to extract default UI, and see how its built, or open up the code of your farvorite installed addon and see how they do it |
| 07:01.46 | Xinhuan | the smaller the addon, the better |
| 07:02.04 | gtsafas | I just started with wow again lol. Can you suggest an addon? |
| 07:02.09 | gtsafas | Dont have any installed atm |
| 07:02.22 | nebula | what are you planning to do? |
| 07:02.29 | Xinhuan | i'll suggest initially writing addons that don't have any GUI or UI for starters |
| 07:02.31 | gtsafas | I want to learn how to make an interface |
| 07:02.37 | Xinhuan | because making UIs is a pain in the ass |
| 07:02.37 | gtsafas | yeah I have done this |
| 07:02.51 | gtsafas | Im used to this type of framework, its similiar to flex with air |
| 07:03.15 | Xinhuan | basically, what you need to know is that for your addon to show something visible to the user, you first need a frame |
| 07:03.28 | Xinhuan | a frame by default doesn't draw anything on screen |
| 07:03.34 | Xinhuan | since it has no visible elements at first |
| 07:03.53 | gtsafas | so its like a canvas |
| 07:04.13 | Xinhuan | you then create child textures and child fontstrings to the frame, assign the appropriate textures, texcoords, font, size, etc |
| 07:04.29 | Xinhuan | and set their position relative to the frame (the parent of those textures/fontstrings) |
| 07:04.42 | gtsafas | its like mxml |
| 07:04.45 | Xinhuan | and then set the position of the frame relative to something in the default UI |
| 07:04.46 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r594 / (12 files in 2 directories): - changed all step = 10 to step = 1 by request |
| 07:04.49 | Repo | - widened range of possible vertical offset values for the custom counter module by request |
| 07:04.56 | gtsafas | hmm |
| 07:04.59 | gtsafas | ok |
| 07:05.01 | Xinhuan | that's the basic premise |
| 07:05.05 | gtsafas | I think I have a better grasp of it now |
| 07:05.09 | gtsafas | thank you for explaining |
| 07:05.19 | Xinhuan | there are 3 types of hierarchies with regards to frames |
| 07:06.03 | Xinhuan | 1. parenting - everything has a parent (or no parent), and an element's parent affects the child's scale, alpha and visibility |
| 07:06.41 | Xinhuan | 2. positioning - positioning has separate hierarchy (elementA can be positioned relative to elementB) and has nothing to do with parent-child relationships |
| 07:06.59 | Xinhuan | wow will check for cyclic dependencies in the above 2 |
| 07:07.17 | Xinhuan | so in this case, if you move the position of elementB, A will move as well |
| 07:07.44 | Xinhuan | but A and B may not be related to each other in terms of parent-child, so the visibility/scale/alpha aren't affected |
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| 07:08.14 | Xinhuan | 3. the 3rd separate hierarchy has to do with rendering order of the entire game UI |
| 07:08.41 | Xinhuan | the UI is divided in STRATAS, higher stratas are rendered above lower stratas |
| 07:09.12 | Xinhuan | within each strata, you have frames, and their rendering order is determined by framelevels (an integer), think z-position |
| 07:09.20 | Xinhuan | higher framelevels = on top |
| 07:09.22 | gtsafas | ok |
| 07:09.34 | gtsafas | Can you set a property to control this? |
| 07:09.36 | Xinhuan | within each frame, you have LAYERS, and a higher layer is rendered on top of a lower one |
| 07:09.51 | Xinhuan | textures and fontstrings must belong to a layer |
| 07:10.01 | Xinhuan | of some frame |
| 07:10.05 | gtsafas | can I load any texture I want? |
| 07:10.07 | gtsafas | .tga? |
| 07:10.14 | Xinhuan | yes, within certain conditions |
| 07:10.21 | Xinhuan | and finally, within a layer, fontstrings are always above textures |
| 07:10.41 | Groktar | whoopsie |
| 07:10.55 | Groktar | committing stuff without turning off my debugging shit |
| 07:11.07 | Xinhuan | textures can be used if they are in .tga format or .blp format, and there is a minimum/maximum size of their dimensions |
| 07:11.25 | gtsafas | ok |
| 07:11.29 | Xinhuan | minimum is like 16x16 and maximum is 1024x1024 and the width and height must be both a power of 2 (but do not need to be equal) |
| 07:11.45 | gtsafas | oh |
| 07:11.50 | gtsafas | thats not so bad |
| 07:12.00 | gtsafas | does that apply for all dimensions? |
| 07:12.02 | gtsafas | or just textures |
| 07:12.14 | Xinhuan | textures in raw format |
| 07:12.25 | gtsafas | can I repeat a texture? |
| 07:12.26 | Xinhuan | in the UI you can draw them in any darn size |
| 07:12.29 | gtsafas | ah |
| 07:12.31 | gtsafas | ok cool |
| 07:12.32 | Xinhuan | and the game resizes them |
| 07:12.41 | Xinhuan | you will find that frames have :SetStrata() :SetFrameLevel() , textures/fontstrings have SetLayer() and stuff |
| 07:12.50 | Xinhuan | and the usual SetWidth, SetHeight Setparent, etc etc |
| 07:12.53 | Xinhuan | there's a few hundred of these |
| 07:13.06 | Xinhuan | "frame" is also just a generic term |
| 07:13.08 | gtsafas | god when I learn this I think im gonna write an eclipse addon rofl |
| 07:13.23 | Xinhuan | there are more specific types of frames such as Button |
| 07:13.34 | gtsafas | yeah was just looking at that |
| 07:13.37 | gtsafas | on the wiki |
| 07:13.38 | Xinhuan | and these have more get/set stuff |
| 07:13.57 | Xinhuan | as long as you remember those 3 hierarcies are totally separate you will probably be ok |
| 07:15.08 | Xinhuan | its also probably not documented anywhere, but when you parent object A to B, A's framelevel is set to 1 higher than B's by default |
| 07:15.17 | Xinhuan | so it draws on top |
| 07:15.27 | Xinhuan | but if A and B are on different stratas... |
| 07:15.37 | Xinhuan | then clearly the one on the higher strata will always be on top |
| 07:15.51 | Xinhuan | regardless of parent-child or framelevels |
| 07:16.11 | Xinhuan | parent-child ONLY determines scale/alpha/visibility |
| 07:16.34 | Xinhuan | and scale and alpha are mutiplicative down the parent-child-chain |
| 07:19.02 | gtsafas | im copying all this into a text document lol |
| 07:19.43 | gtsafas | :) |
| 07:26.13 | Repo | 10acp: 03sylvanaar 043.3.7 * r63 : Tagging as 3.3.7 |
| 07:26.58 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r595 modules/PlayerHealth.lua: |
| 07:27.00 | Repo | - fixed a bug where the combat icon would get stuck if you went into combat when resting but had the resting icon display disabled |
| 07:27.01 | Repo | - made the combat icon replace the resting icon if you go into combat while resting and then switch back to the resting icon (if appropriate) when dropping combat |
| 07:35.23 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic 041.6.11 * r596 : Tagging as 1.6.11 |
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| 07:58.52 | nevcairiel | wah my MCP addon doesnt work in cata anymore =( |
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| 08:02.45 | quiescens | ): |
| 08:02.56 | quiescens | what is an mcp addon |
| 08:03.16 | nevcairiel | somethign to disable/enable addons in game |
| 08:03.18 | nevcairiel | like ACP |
| 08:03.22 | nevcairiel | or the original MCP |
| 08:03.26 | nevcairiel | or rMCP (which i was using) |
| 08:09.50 | gtsafas | Can you include your own font? |
| 08:10.09 | nevcairiel | sure |
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| 08:11.14 | gtsafas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:13.38 | harl | hi |
| 08:15.13 | sylvanaar | why cant you use acp nev, you hate me that much lol |
| 08:15.50 | nevcairiel | i was just too lazy |
| 08:15.58 | nevcairiel | rMCP worked fine since 1.x! |
| 08:16.09 | sylvanaar | yeah, acp is rmcp anyways |
| 08:16.33 | sylvanaar | with some added doodads here and there |
| 08:17.43 | quiescens | doodads~ |
| 08:18.09 | sylvanaar | beta-speak |
| 08:18.41 | nevcairiel | yeah i installed acp anyhow |
| 08:19.02 | nevcairiel | how significant are 4.0 chat changes? I need to fix my chat mod, i think |
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| 08:20.59 | nevcairiel | also, did 4.0 fix that bar texture problem? |
| 08:22.33 | Fisker | double rainbow nevcairiel |
| 08:23.01 | nevcairiel | hm no, it wasnt fixed |
| 08:23.03 | nevcairiel | sucks |
| 08:23.45 | Fisker | YES |
| 08:23.46 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEEES |
| 08:27.44 | gtsafas | What am I doing wrong here? http://pastie.org/1166262 |
| 08:28.13 | nevcairiel | Guess i should really implement my own statusbar replacement to fix that stupid problem |
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| 08:28.42 | nevcairiel | gtsafas: that depends what you want it to do |
| 08:29.03 | gtsafas | I want to print out that as a string |
| 08:29.26 | gtsafas | print(test_data) |
| 08:29.29 | gtsafas | after the loop |
| 08:29.35 | nevcairiel | so what happens? |
| 08:29.46 | gtsafas | it doesnt print, if I change it to print(k,v) it works fine |
| 08:29.54 | nevcairiel | any errors? |
| 08:30.01 | gtsafas | how do I debug in wow |
| 08:30.17 | quiescens | slowly |
| 08:31.08 | gtsafas | is there a try catch? |
| 08:31.20 | nevcairiel | http://pastie.org/1166266 this should work, anyhow |
| 08:31.23 | nevcairiel | and no, no try catch |
| 08:31.44 | nevcairiel | you should install something like BugTracker/BugSack to show you errors |
| 08:31.44 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: chat is essentially the same in 4.0 as 3.3.5 |
| 08:32.01 | gtsafas | I thought all variables in lua were created in the global scope unless declared as local? |
| 08:32.35 | nevcairiel | sure, but you still need to initialize the variable to be a string, even if empty, or you'll get "attempt to concat a nil value"! |
| 08:33.23 | gtsafas | oh ok |
| 08:33.48 | gtsafas | Can you type in lua? |
| 08:33.51 | gtsafas | out of curiosity |
| 08:33.58 | nevcairiel | How could blizzard not have fixed the stupid statusbar texture problem <.< |
| 08:34.43 | nevcairiel | it uses dynamic typing, you can't declare a variable to be a certain type |
| 08:34.57 | nevcairiel | lua> type(3) |
| 08:34.58 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: number |
| 08:35.00 | nevcairiel | lua> type("") |
| 08:35.01 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: string |
| 08:35.04 | nevcairiel | but there are types :p |
| 08:38.10 | Repo | 10quartz: 03Nevcairiel 07cataclysm * 3.0.3.1-1-gf81a8f4 / (39 files in 4 directories): [new, +1 commit] Fix errors in channeling spell mapping table. |
| 08:38.15 | gtsafas | which is preferred bugtracker/bugsack? |
| 08:39.18 | nevcairiel | get BugGrabber and BugSack, they work in tandem, BugGrabber catches the errors, and BugSack is a UI to show them |
| 08:39.39 | nevcairiel | @project bug-grabber |
| 08:39.42 | nevcairiel | @project bug-sack |
| 08:39.42 | Repo | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bug-grabber/. !BugGrabber. Game: WoW. Rabbit (Manager/Author). Updated: 15 days ago. Tickets: 1/12 |
| 08:39.44 | Repo | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bugsack/. BugSack. Game: WoW. Rabbit (Manager/Author). Updated: 15 days ago |
| 08:39.48 | gtsafas | ok thanks, also is there a way to do something like ..= instead of this = this .. that |
| 08:39.58 | nevcairiel | no |
| 08:40.01 | gtsafas | k |
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| 08:43.00 | gtsafas | lol@fatality |
| 08:43.12 | sylvanaar | for debugging you might want to get spew |
| 08:43.26 | sylvanaar | @project spew |
| 08:43.27 | Repo | sylvanaar: http://www.wowace.com/addons/spew/. Spew. Game: WoW. Tekkub (Manager/Author). Updated: 663 days ago |
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| 08:43.43 | gtsafas | what does this have over the others? |
| 08:43.50 | sylvanaar | it has ace2's nice dump function |
| 08:44.12 | gtsafas | does this replace both those addons? |
| 08:44.16 | sylvanaar | which is better than the one in the game - plus it dumps to a separate frame |
| 08:44.17 | sylvanaar | no |
| 08:44.25 | gtsafas | or use in conjunction |
| 08:44.29 | sylvanaar | its in addition to |
| 08:44.32 | gtsafas | ah ok |
| 08:45.07 | sylvanaar | its old though - its probably updated on github |
| 08:45.56 | nevcairiel | fun fact: your armor type specialization stops working when one of your items is broken |
| 08:46.08 | sylvanaar | fun |
| 08:46.27 | nevcairiel | i have 51k mana with it now though o.O |
| 08:46.32 | nevcairiel | and i'm not even 85 yet |
| 08:46.47 | sylvanaar | i have 50k ish mana and it goes so fast |
| 08:47.14 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 08:47.15 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/item=47670 |
| 08:47.27 | nevcairiel | this is flagged as shaman in beta now |
| 08:47.30 | nevcairiel | can't wear it anymore |
| 08:47.31 | nevcairiel | <.< |
| 08:47.42 | quiescens | reroll shaman |
| 08:47.45 | sylvanaar | i think mine is death knight |
| 08:48.08 | nevcairiel | idol of black willow still is druid, though |
| 08:48.51 | sylvanaar | shooting star is death knight |
| 08:49.15 | nevcairiel | i hope at least with DK stats |
| 08:49.42 | sbu | "n order to accomplish our development goals while pushing this next patch, testers will be required to re-patch and re-download all of the PTR client data" |
| 08:49.46 | sbu | nice one ;) |
| 08:49.56 | quiescens | have fun |
| 08:49.59 | gtsafas | this is agravating, there cannot be no docs on the ui |
| 08:50.14 | sylvanaar | stam int crit haste |
| 08:50.32 | nevcairiel | so, not |
| 08:50.38 | sylvanaar | nope |
| 08:54.42 | evl | gtsafas: no docs for what? |
| 08:54.56 | gtsafas | is this up to date? http://astore.amazon.com/worofwarproag-20/detail/0470481285 |
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| 08:56.20 | nevcairiel | ~wowprogramming |
| 08:56.20 | purl | rumour has it, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 08:56.27 | nevcairiel | has a page with some material too |
| 08:56.33 | nevcairiel | but yes, the second edition is still up2date |
| 08:56.54 | gtsafas | does it have meat? or is it all things ill find on the web? |
| 08:57.14 | nevcairiel | The guides, tutorials and walk throughs in there are pretty unique |
| 08:58.12 | nevcairiel | the reference is also available online |
| 08:58.20 | nevcairiel | the articles are not ;) |
| 08:58.20 | Daegalus | mmmm new beta build patch changes look good |
| 08:58.35 | nevcairiel | new beta patch? last weeks, you mean? |
| 08:58.41 | Daegalus | no right now |
| 08:58.45 | Daegalus | mmo-champ |
| 08:58.53 | Daegalus | boub is updating it as we speak |
| 08:58.58 | gtsafas | meh ill just go to barnes and noble and read it haha |
| 08:59.19 | Daegalus | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1975-Cataclysm-Beta-Build-12984-(Codename-Puppy) |
| 08:59.36 | Daegalus | loving all the DK changes |
| 08:59.47 | Daegalus | Priest changes are great too |
| 09:00.02 | Fisker | your mom is a dk |
| 09:00.12 | Daegalus | mmmm, ok? |
| 09:00.20 | nevcairiel | he should really wait 1-2 hours until its on the realms, or he'll post false changes again :P |
| 09:00.45 | Daegalus | dunno, but im liking hte changes |
| 09:01.06 | Fisker | that camel achievement is impossible |
| 09:02.07 | sbu | err wait |
| 09:02.17 | Fisker | Guild Level 25 (Alliance) - Reach guild level 25. Reward: Reins of the Golden King |
| 09:02.17 | Fisker | Guild Level 25 (Horde) - Reach guild level 25. |
| 09:02.21 | sbu | "Bloom and Doom - Survive 100 waves on Endless Mode the Peacebloom Vs. Ghouls quest" - plants vs. zombies? :P |
| 09:02.24 | Daegalus | probably Goblin./worgen race changes available on release |
| 09:02.33 | Daegalus | Realm First! Level 85 Lost Isles Goblin - First goblin on the realm to achieve level 85 who completed the Lost Isles quest chain. |
| 09:02.39 | Fisker | Blizzard screwing horde over again |
| 09:02.41 | Daegalus | require you to complete the quest chains of hte starting zones |
| 09:02.58 | Daegalus | sbu: yup PvZ, will be fun to see |
| 09:03.20 | Torhal | stabs Fisker in the face with a pelican. |
| 09:06.30 | Daegalus | Torhal: quick question, if i use the package-as line in the .pkgmeta, will that also rename the folder of the addon? cause right now the folder is being packaged as "pizza-boy" would prefer it to be "PizzaBoy" |
| 09:11.15 | steevdave | why the hell do the blizzard tools tell me there is an update, but don't let me download it. running the background downloader manually simply says that there is no data (but i ran it at work and it downloaded the patch data just fine there) |
| 09:12.41 | gtsafas | is there a list widget? |
| 09:13.01 | gtsafas | scrollframe/ |
| 09:15.00 | Torhal | Daegalus: Yes. Or you can go to your project page, click the repository tab, then edit the repository. The Package As option is there as well. |
| 09:15.09 | Torhal | I always slap it in the .pkgmeta |
| 09:15.30 | Daegalus | eh, i already did it through pkgmeta, as seen by the #curseforge spam of my revisions |
| 09:15.54 | Repo | 10quartz: 03Nevcairiel 07cataclysm * 3.0.3.1-2-g3e231b3 Quartz.toc: [+1 commit] Update Interface version |
| 09:16.21 | Daegalus | though it marked the 0.1b release as beta. i was mostly wanting to use it as a counter, hopefully default curse client settings pick up beta releases too |
| 09:16.53 | Daegalus | nvm, i changed it to release. |
| 09:17.03 | Daegalus | so many more new features since I last used curseforge |
| 09:17.34 | Torhal | Daegalus: CC only downloads betas when the user tells it to. |
| 09:17.44 | Daegalus | ya, figured as much |
| 09:17.54 | Daegalus | but i changed the release type, so it should be fine |
| 09:18.39 | Xinhuan | steevdave, super common problem, there's like 10 pages of it on the tech support forums |
| 09:18.52 | Xinhuan | feel free to use one of the two solutions that work |
| 09:18.55 | Torhal | Daegalus: Yah, that works too. |
| 09:19.12 | Xinhuan | 1. change compatibility mode of background downloader to win98/me OR |
| 09:19.28 | Torhal | Anywho...schleep. |
| 09:19.32 | Xinhuan | 2. delete the backgrounddownoader.exe, and use repair.exe to redownload an older copy of it |
| 09:19.43 | Xinhuan | and make sure you run the redownloaded copy before you run the launcher again |
| 09:20.00 | Xinhuan | (or the launcher will just patch it back up to the broken version) |
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| 09:28.50 | quiescens | you broked it! |
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| 09:41.52 | nevcairiel | "Nature's Ward revamped" - revamped is a odd word for a spell that is not a spell or talent in the previous version |
| 09:42.19 | nevcairiel | and druids grant replenishment now, eh |
| 09:42.46 | Fisker | and ret palas were nerfed again |
| 09:43.13 | Fisker | i really hope this means they'll do it the other way around this time |
| 09:43.25 | sbu | whats with ret pallys QQing about 4k dps loss on PTR? :p |
| 09:43.46 | sbu | Fisker: you mean nerf and nerf again instead of buff and nerf again? yea... |
| 09:44.15 | Fisker | http://www.neowin.net/news/t-mobile-tweets-a-users-name-and-password <-this is the worlds worst security, ever. |
| 09:44.21 | Fisker | no sbu |
| 09:44.24 | Fisker | "the other way around" |
| 09:44.26 | nevcairiel | Like they've said all along, don't look at numbers, they are still working out rotations and mechanics |
| 09:44.28 | Fisker | meaning nerf and buff again |
| 09:44.37 | sbu | not going to happen :p |
| 09:45.06 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r246 / (26 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 09:45.08 | Repo | *3.02.50 (18-SEP-2010) BETA 19-30-Cataclysm* |
| 09:45.08 | sylvanaar | when did they add project forums? |
| 09:45.09 | Repo | * changed - number of vault tabs expanded to 8 |
| 09:45.10 | Repo | * changed - frameStrata set to HIGH to get above the default actionbars |
| 09:45.11 | Repo | * changed - ldb item tracking object will now count soul shards for cataclysm warlocks |
| 09:46.37 | sbu | sylvanaar: project forums? |
| 09:46.48 | sylvanaar | http://www.wowace.com/addons/prat-3-0/forum/ |
| 09:48.03 | sylvanaar | im not sure i need yet another place to keep track of - but i had never seen them before |
| 09:48.32 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro 043.02.50 BETA 19-30-Cataclysm * r247 : (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 09:48.34 | Repo | *3.02.50 (18-SEP-2010) BETA 19-30-Cataclysm* |
| 09:48.35 | Repo | * changed - number of vault tabs expanded to 8 |
| 09:48.37 | Repo | * changed - frameStrata set to HIGH to get above the default actionbars |
| 09:48.38 | Repo | * changed - ldb item tracking object will now count soul shards for cataclysm warlocks |
| 09:52.23 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: a while ago, i think we even had a news |
| 09:52.29 | nevcairiel | imho its a bad idea, but shrug |
| 09:52.33 | nevcairiel | some people wanted it |
| 09:52.52 | sylvanaar | yeah, maybe if it aggregated all the comment threads |
| 09:53.12 | sylvanaar | or something - right now im using google groups to aggregate everything |
| 09:53.58 | nevcairiel | i dont read comments, only forum threads and tickets |
| 09:54.05 | nevcairiel | thats working out ok |
| 09:55.16 | nevcairiel | this tank has 100k hp, and looks like he wears the gear of a lvl 20 |
| 09:55.50 | nevcairiel | kinda silly |
| 10:00.22 | Repo | 10bislist: 03MigGat * r11 / (6 files in 1 directory): v0.1.5 beta |
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| 10:07.00 | quiescens | maybe they are |
| 10:10.26 | nevcairiel | lifebloom only on one target needs some getting used to |
| 10:11.17 | TNZe | 1.74gb :( |
| 10:12.05 | quiescens | healing touch spam imo |
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| 10:23.47 | koaschten_ | is there a working combatlog mod for beta/ptr? |
| 10:26.05 | nevcairiel | i havent used any combatlog mod since 2.3 |
| 10:26.53 | koaschten_ | errr i should word more properly, dmg meter style mod ;) |
| 10:28.33 | Caleb| | recount works just fine |
| 10:28.49 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink 071.2.0 * r312 / (2 files in 2 directories): Updated encounter database: |
| 10:28.51 | Repo | - Grim Batol |
| 10:28.52 | Repo | - Halls of Origination |
| 10:28.54 | Repo | - Blackwing Descent |
| 10:32.00 | evl | I need a mod that lets me smash a button and buff my party |
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| 10:32.23 | evl | My paladin is 71 and I'm going nuts, people asking abouts 24/fucking 7 |
| 10:33.34 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach 07cataclysm * r2795 LootTableModules/Cataclysm/cataclysm.lua: |
| 10:33.36 | Repo | - Added a lot new pets to the list. Some of the icons are acting funny while the rest arent. same format so no idea what to do. |
| 10:33.46 | steevdave | evl: l2pallypower/zomgbuffs |
| 10:34.13 | evl | I've tried buffbroker but it seems to be on serious amount of FAIL drugs |
| 10:37.12 | koaschten_ | try zomgbuffs? |
| 10:38.15 | steevdave | and it doesn't really matter |
| 10:38.26 | steevdave | you're gonna get into the groups where everyone wants this that and the other |
| 10:38.39 | steevdave | i give out kings, if they don't like it, they are free to go without the buff |
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| 10:56.45 | fakeh | Anyone can tell me why http://paste.wowace.com/2468/ produces a button with a texture ~2x as big as the border of the button for the NormalTexture, but works as expected for the Pushed (and what I can do about it)? |
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| 11:03.06 | Repo | 10gridconfigurablelayouts (experimental): 03MSaint * r47 GridConfigurableLayouts.lua: Fixed compatibility of options with Dewdrop |
| 11:07.00 | nevcairiel | Hmm |
| 11:07.07 | nevcairiel | !api IsHelpfulSpell |
| 11:07.07 | lua_bot | IsHelpfulSpell: Returns whether an item can be used on the player or friendly units (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsHelpfulSpell) |
| 11:08.06 | nevcairiel | this changed in beta, and i have no idea how |
| 11:08.06 | nevcairiel | <.< |
| 11:12.06 | fakeh | Changed how? Seems to just return 1 for helpful spells for me, nil otherwise |
| 11:12.52 | nevcairiel | for spell names, yes |
| 11:12.58 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt work with ids anymore like it used to |
| 11:14.05 | fakeh | Spellbook IDs or spell ids? |
| 11:14.10 | nevcairiel | spellbook ids |
| 11:14.18 | nevcairiel | as returned by GetActionInfo |
| 11:14.22 | nevcairiel | for example |
| 11:15.25 | fakeh | GetActionInfo isn't returning spellbook ids for me |
| 11:15.32 | fakeh | It's returning actual spell ids |
| 11:15.40 | nevcairiel | then that is what changed, i guess |
| 11:16.01 | fakeh | unless I have 85222 spells in my spellbook ^^ |
| 11:16.11 | nevcairiel | it returned something like "spell", id, "spell" .. where id would be the spell book id, and the second "spell" being the book type |
| 11:16.30 | nevcairiel | guess that changed then |
| 11:16.35 | nevcairiel | that, however, does not help me here :P |
| 11:17.08 | nevcairiel | I have action ids, and i want to know if its helpful or harmful |
| 11:17.14 | nevcairiel | and i dont have access to getspellinfo |
| 11:17.16 | nevcairiel | so what now! |
| 11:17.33 | fakeh | How come no GetSpellInfo? |
| 11:17.43 | nevcairiel | restricted environment |
| 11:17.57 | fakeh | Well that sucks heh |
| 11:18.38 | nevcairiel | They should fix IsHelpfulSpell to work on spell ids instead of book ids <.< |
| 11:18.52 | fakeh | Yeah, thought they might have done but just tried and no |
| 11:21.00 | fakeh | And I guess in an restricted env you can't access any pre-built variables either? |
| 11:23.07 | nevcairiel | to some degree |
| 11:23.21 | nevcairiel | I could build a *huge* map of spell id -> spell name and feed that into the funciton |
| 11:23.25 | nevcairiel | but rather avoid that |
| 11:23.54 | fakeh | It would only be as huge as your number of action buttons? |
| 11:24.22 | nevcairiel | but the player could put a new action on the buttons, in combat, and i can't update the map then |
| 11:26.44 | fakeh | Anyone got a sec to look at http://paste.wowace.com/2468/ ? It's just an ~ActionButton with SetNormalTexture but the texture ends up being ~twice as big as the border underneath (and I can't seem to change the size of either the border or the texture). |
| 11:27.26 | quiescens | blag |
| 11:27.52 | nevcairiel | You shouldnt use normal texture for the icon |
| 11:28.08 | quiescens | i've forgotten too much of what I used to know about assembly to do what i'm trying to do |
| 11:28.11 | quiescens | blames nevcairiel |
| 11:28.15 | nevcairiel | There is a <name>Icon texture for that |
| 11:29.02 | fakeh | So there is, great thanks :) |
| 11:31.12 | quiescens | what's a good disassembler these days? |
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| 11:41.36 | Repo | 10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07cataclysm * 4.4.2-14-g719aad1 / (49 files in 4 directories): [new, +2 commits] |
| 11:41.38 | Repo | 719aad1: Disable "Auto Assist" option until it can be fixed (Blizzard limitation right now.) |
| 11:41.39 | Repo | f6e178d: Update interface version |
| 11:41.54 | fakeh | Can Buttons not have TitleRegions? |
| 11:43.17 | asmodai | nevcairiel! |
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| 12:07.53 | Repo | 10bislist: 03MigGat 04v.0.1.5 release * r12 : Tagging as v.0.1.5 release |
| 12:09.58 | nevcairiel | asmodai! |
| 12:10.51 | asmodai | nevcairiel: How's life been? |
| 12:11.23 | nevcairiel | good, good |
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| 12:14.59 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Still busy as heck? ;) |
| 12:15.29 | sbu | nevcairiel: did you already add new micromenu buttons? |
| 12:15.34 | nevcairiel | its getting better |
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| 12:23.49 | asmodai | nevcairiel: good :) |
| 12:24.22 | Pneumatus | im confused, is 12984 supposed to be live on beta? :o |
| 12:24.35 | Fisker | not yet |
| 12:26.06 | asmodai | Grrrr |
| 12:26.09 | asmodai | kicks Fallout 3 |
| 12:26.14 | asmodai | Stabilize on Windows 7 ffs |
| 12:26.21 | Fisker | no asmodai |
| 12:26.26 | Fisker | l2config |
| 12:26.57 | asmodai | Fisker: I welcome some ideas. Since I tried some already |
| 12:27.09 | asmodai | Disabled AA to disable the stutters on turning. |
| 12:28.23 | Fisker | i don't do ideas |
| 12:28.39 | asmodai | Also changed that configuration ini to limit AI threads |
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| 12:33.38 | Repo | 10gathermate2: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 2b0224d Constants.lua: [+1 commit] Fix a typo in constant definitions. |
| 12:37.59 | fakeh | Can I not position TitleRegions outside of their parent? " <Anchor point="BOTTOM" relativePoint="TOP"/>" breaks as soon as I add the relativePoint but it works as soon as I change the TitleRegion to a Frame instead |
| 12:45.42 | Repo | 10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r302 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: |
| 12:45.44 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
| 12:45.53 | Repo | 10libbabble-zone-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r283 LibBabble-Zone-3.0.lua: |
| 12:45.57 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
| 12:46.05 | Repo | 10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 043.3-release39 * r303 : Weekly Tag - #39 |
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| 13:48.25 | Repo | Added support for colorizing raid members in personal notes, based on a patch contributed by Valen of US-Windrunner. |
| 13:48.26 | Repo | Optimized update processing when the Boss Notes frame is hidden. |
| 13:48.28 | Repo | Release 1.2.0 Beta 2 |
| 13:48.43 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink 041.2.0 Beta 2 * r314 : Tagging as 1.2.0 Beta 2 |
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| 14:43.42 | fakeh | How do mmo-champion know what's in a patch when files aren't downloadable atm? |
| 14:45.25 | quiescens | magic |
| 14:48.22 | Adys | Im just that good |
| 14:48.38 | Pneumatus | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/9172bdbb-061f-468c-ad60-f3a58bb2bd39.jpg |
| 14:48.40 | Pneumatus | i laughed |
| 14:49.10 | Adys | Pneumatus: i found it funny |
| 14:49.45 | Pneumatus | shame 0x31 is 49 in base 10, but never mind :< |
| 14:49.59 | Pneumatus | owait |
| 14:50.03 | quiescens | .. |
| 14:50.13 | Pneumatus | :> |
| 14:51.14 | quiescens | wild mushroom! |
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| 15:19.36 | Fisker | i fucking lold Pneumatus |
| 15:19.50 | Megalon | http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2918/1243540412027.jpg |
| 15:19.55 | Megalon | is it full moon Fisker? |
| 15:20.08 | Fisker | no Megalon |
| 15:20.08 | Fisker | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/9172bdbb-061f-468c-ad60-f3a58bb2bd39.jpg |
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| 15:22.02 | nevcairiel | old fisker |
| 15:22.03 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 15:22.16 | dafi | does anyone know the lua code to open the profession panels? |
| 15:22.26 | Fisker | it was in response to Megalon nevcairiel |
| 15:22.28 | Fisker | foiled again |
| 15:22.45 | nevcairiel | old fisker |
| 15:23.36 | Fisker | you're right about that |
| 15:23.39 | Fisker | you being foiled is very old |
| 15:23.49 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:24.09 | Shefki | dafi: CastSpellByName("Alchemy") |
| 15:24.36 | nevcairiel | so i connected the cable to the tv, and apparently it recognized over 200 digital channels, wonder how many of those are encrypted |
| 15:25.04 | Shefki | nevcairiel: 99% of them. They're encrypted with crap. |
| 15:25.21 | nevcairiel | I didnt actually expect it to find many digital channels at all |
| 15:25.28 | nevcairiel | but hey |
| 15:25.34 | nevcairiel | 239 and counting |
| 15:25.37 | kagaro | the channels are on std freq |
| 15:25.50 | kagaro | ohh wait your in europe arent you nev |
| 15:25.53 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 15:26.10 | kagaro | ya then no idea, in the us channel freq are std |
| 15:26.10 | Shefki | In that case only 98% of them are encrypted with crap. |
| 15:26.27 | nevcairiel | I would wager that alot of those are actually encrypted |
| 15:26.32 | Fisker | that's standard nevcairiel |
| 15:26.33 | nevcairiel | not only with crap |
| 15:26.43 | nevcairiel | but crap encrypted with encryption |
| 15:26.43 | Fisker | You get all channels |
| 15:26.49 | Fisker | which is why you need a decoder card |
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| 15:26.57 | nevcairiel | can |
| 15:27.02 | nevcairiel | can't you haxor those :P |
| 15:27.03 | Fisker | anything else would be pretty insecure |
| 15:27.12 | Fisker | you can haxor anything likely |
| 15:27.20 | nevcairiel | the tv has a CI+ slot, at least |
| 15:27.31 | Fisker | it sucks here |
| 15:27.46 | Fisker | we have to pay like 3€ a month for the damn card |
| 15:28.02 | Fisker | and then like 15€ for a box to support all their features |
| 15:28.07 | Fisker | 15€ a month of course |
| 15:28.27 | Fisker | the box itself is probably not worth more than 40€ if it were to be bought standalone |
| 15:28.31 | Fisker | jerks |
| 15:28.48 | Fisker | and the card itself is probably cheaper than the monthly fee itself |
| 15:28.57 | Fisker | shit like that should be illegal |
| 15:29.06 | nevcairiel | checking the page of my cable provider, they charge 12,90 a month for the CI module |
| 15:29.12 | Fisker | lol |
| 15:29.17 | nevcairiel | doesnt say what channels it unlocks |
| 15:29.19 | nevcairiel | digs |
| 15:29.22 | Fisker | you can get one for 20€ if even that |
| 15:29.36 | dafi | Shefki: thanks, unfortunatly it still didn't work to open my professions on the ptr :\ |
| 15:29.37 | Fisker | (They don't charge for the CI module here atleast) |
| 15:29.40 | nevcairiel | well its not the card thats expensive |
| 15:29.45 | nevcairiel | its the right to access the channels |
| 15:29.46 | Fisker | only the card |
| 15:29.51 | Shefki | dafi: It should. |
| 15:29.55 | koaschten_ | nevcairiel do you pay cable via "nebenkosten" ? |
| 15:30.00 | Fisker | That another thing that should be fucking illegal |
| 15:30.01 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 15:30.06 | koaschten_ | then its only 2.90, because you pay the analog with your rent |
| 15:30.13 | Fisker | The cheapest package is shitty channels noone wants |
| 15:30.13 | dafi | Shefki: think they really blocked it, First Aid opens but my primary don't |
| 15:30.21 | Fisker | the medium package got a few ok channels |
| 15:30.29 | koaschten_ | at least with kabel deutschland |
| 15:30.30 | nevcairiel | ah i found it |
| 15:30.32 | Fisker | then obviously the premium package have everything you'd actually want |
| 15:30.35 | nevcairiel | its further down the page |
| 15:30.36 | nevcairiel | doh :) |
| 15:30.49 | koaschten_ | you probably should get a good read at http://www.kdgforum.de/index.php |
| 15:30.54 | koaschten_ | before ordering KDG though ;) |
| 15:31.17 | Fisker | The only nice thing about my experience so far was that the card doesn't get programmed until after a couple of weeks or something |
| 15:31.26 | Fisker | So for a couple of weeks i could view everything |
| 15:31.30 | nevcairiel | well having all the default channels in digital sounds better then having them only in analog, and 2,90 isnt much |
| 15:31.58 | Fisker | only if you get hd channels as well imo |
| 15:32.12 | nevcairiel | we don't have that many HD channels around here, tbh |
| 15:32.26 | Fisker | well actually |
| 15:32.33 | koaschten_ | i am currently a bad boy, i am running mediaportal with vPlug :X |
| 15:32.37 | Fisker | digital channels also mean you can get dynamic subtitles and such |
| 15:32.40 | Fisker | but not widely used here |
| 15:32.59 | Fisker | and i think text tv is faster :P |
| 15:33.15 | koaschten_ | and you get an EPG with digital |
| 15:33.24 | Fisker | EPG? |
| 15:33.30 | koaschten_ | electronic program guide |
| 15:33.36 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 15:33.45 | Fisker | mine kinda sucks so i whatever'd that |
| 15:33.54 | Fisker | maybe it'll work better when i buy the logitech revué |
| 15:34.00 | Fisker | i hope i can use that shit with my PC as well |
| 15:34.16 | nevcairiel | do we actually have any HD channels besides ard and zdf stuff? the KDG list doesnt show anything <.< |
| 15:34.23 | koaschten_ | i am just running a usb dvb-c breakout box currently |
| 15:34.34 | koaschten_ | nevcairiel dont think so |
| 15:34.37 | Fisker | nevcairiel wow we got the same channels as you! |
| 15:34.50 | Fisker | (massive amounts of hate directed towards our cable provider) |
| 15:34.51 | koaschten_ | pro7, rtl, sat1 and stuff only come in hd via satelite |
| 15:34.57 | nevcairiel | sucks |
| 15:35.09 | koaschten_ | because they dont like the encryption KDG is still using |
| 15:35.10 | nevcairiel | lets see then what i can get without the CI module |
| 15:35.12 | nevcairiel | it just finished |
| 15:35.20 | koaschten_ | you get all 30 analog ones |
| 15:35.25 | koaschten_ | about 200 digitals |
| 15:35.26 | Fisker | almost half our channels in the base package are foreign channels |
| 15:35.34 | Fisker | ARD, ZDF, RTL |
| 15:35.37 | Fisker | shit like that |
| 15:35.38 | koaschten_ | of which you can see ard/zfd and associated as those arnt encrypted |
| 15:36.06 | koaschten_ | basically its ard zdf and arte hd |
| 15:36.22 | Fisker | do you guys get any danish channels? |
| 15:36.55 | koaschten_ | i get tv2 and dr1 |
| 15:37.03 | koaschten_ | but only cause i am almost living in denmark here ;) |
| 15:37.11 | Repo | 10craftyalts (experimental): 03schiwik 07master * 2d35943 / (8 files in 1 directory): [new, +7 commits] (3 truncated) |
| 15:37.13 | Repo | 2d35943: added readme |
| 15:37.14 | Repo | 44b6097: QA - Should now break less |
| 15:37.16 | Repo | 9b072a8: Many fixes |
| 15:37.17 | Repo | e2bf3a2: - Hide CAFrame if no professions |
| 15:37.51 | Fisker | zomg you're watching dr1 without paying for the media license |
| 15:37.57 | Fisker | calls the police |
| 15:37.59 | nevcairiel | koaschten_: you're right, the private channels are all encrypted in digital, boo |
| 15:38.52 | koaschten_ | via vPlug i can decrypt to common ones from the "digital free" package |
| 15:39.33 | Repo | 10craftyalts (experimental): 03schiwik 04v1.0 * e1b7fb9 /: [new tag] tagging version 1.0 |
| 15:39.42 | nevcairiel | fun though, i can get the ARD HD etc without the card |
| 15:40.18 | koaschten_ | because the ÖR arnt allowed to encrypt... because they are the ÖR ;) |
| 15:41.42 | nevcairiel | the quality over the analog is much better, though |
| 15:41.52 | nevcairiel | analog even has wrong aspect ratio |
| 15:41.53 | nevcairiel | wth is that |
| 15:42.16 | nevcairiel | i shall read on that topic, 2,90 doesnt seem like a lot |
| 15:43.20 | Fisker | but bring out google tv |
| 15:43.22 | Fisker | i want |
| 15:43.31 | Fisker | i want a drobo too for some reason |
| 15:46.15 | Fisker | OH SNAAAAP |
| 15:46.20 | Fisker | linux just got pwnt |
| 15:46.42 | nevcairiel | why the hell is that CI+ module more expensive then a full blown receiver that they also offer |
| 15:46.53 | nevcairiel | wonder if i should just look for a module from some other source |
| 15:47.00 | nevcairiel | and just get their card |
| 15:47.21 | koaschten_ | the problem you then have, you need to persuade them to send you the proper card |
| 15:47.35 | koaschten_ | and probably have to give them a faked d-box serial |
| 15:48.10 | nevcairiel | meh! |
| 15:48.15 | nevcairiel | that fucking module is 80€ |
| 15:48.20 | nevcairiel | just to put the card in there |
| 15:48.26 | Fisker | wat? |
| 15:48.30 | Fisker | what is it? |
| 15:48.33 | Fisker | name pl0x |
| 15:48.41 | nevcairiel | what do i know |
| 15:48.45 | nevcairiel | they dont tell me |
| 15:48.47 | Fisker | you know nothing |
| 15:48.49 | Fisker | lols |
| 15:49.06 | nevcairiel | the cable provider doesnt usually tell you what hardware you get |
| 15:49.12 | nevcairiel | not specifically, anyway |
| 15:50.09 | Fisker | maybe you can find out from other people |
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| 15:56.44 | koaschten_ | its a branded CI+ CAM |
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| 16:11.16 | Fisker | Yeah that's useless koaschten_ :P |
| 16:11.49 | Fisker | CI just means it's common interface (i.e. the interface it's using) and CAM just mean it's a Conditional Access Module (i.e. what it is) |
| 16:15.29 | koaschten_ | thats what i tried to say ;) |
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| 16:55.32 | Fisker | nahuh koaschten_ |
| 16:55.42 | koaschten_ | ? |
| 16:55.59 | nevcairiel | they probably rebranded some module anyway, cant find out what exactly it is without some deep inspection into the parts |
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| 17:05.19 | fakeh | Can I use DBObjectLib:CopyProfile(name, silent) to copy a profile into the 'char' type? |
| 17:08.48 | nevcairiel | funny |
| 17:08.52 | nevcairiel | i just got a mail from amazon |
| 17:09.01 | nevcairiel | giving me a delivery data for cataclysm |
| 17:09.34 | nevcairiel | s/data/date/ |
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| 17:13.10 | ccKep1 | what's it saying? |
| 17:13.37 | nevcairiel | it isnt tied to one day, says 16th to 19th of november |
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| 17:13.48 | kagaro | it doesnt giv me a date yet, just asked for confirmation of my pre-order |
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| 17:15.13 | nevcairiel | nothing is official until it is on blizzards page anyway |
| 17:16.18 | nevcairiel | I'm still pondering if i should cancel my preorder and get it in the blizzard shop, so its unlocked onto my account without me waiting for the mail guy |
| 17:17.33 | nichdu | i'll go to the local store at the evening before. they will have it there. |
| 17:18.44 | nevcairiel | I dont think any of the shops here would break the rule and sell it before midnight =( |
| 17:19.25 | nichdu | i like my media markt here |
| 17:22.07 | koaschten_ | well midnight sales are ok |
| 17:22.13 | koaschten_ | but blizzard unlocks at 11pm |
| 17:22.21 | koaschten_ | because the RU release is an hour earlier |
| 17:22.44 | Pneumatus | they unlock at 10pm UK time, 11pm EU time, 12pm RU time |
| 17:22.46 | Pneumatus | :< |
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| 17:24.19 | Pneumatus | or even 12am |
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| 17:29.04 | koaschten_ | omg, make it unseen :( switching to a wrong channel at this time can lead to serious mental harm :/ (talk talk talk pro7) |
| 17:35.30 | Stanzilla | what happened? |
| 17:37.46 | nevcairiel | i dont have tv on :p |
| 17:38.44 | nevcairiel | I should find out if the media markt around the corner has a midnight sale, or even can give it to me the evening before ,) |
| 17:38.55 | nevcairiel | stupid only thing only unlocks at 10am on release day |
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| 17:39.21 | nevcairiel | s/only/online/ |
| 17:41.31 | pompy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.33 | pompy | boo |
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| 18:01.30 | TNSe | How would you go about and read the code/values that are used for teh clientside calculation of spell ranges & scaling? |
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| 18:11.47 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar 074.0.1 * r171 : FBagOfHolding: |
| 18:11.49 | Repo | - Branch for WoW version 4.0.1 |
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| 18:16.54 | quiescens | wild mushroom! |
| 18:17.00 | quiescens | ~. |
| 18:17.00 | purl | . |
| 18:19.14 | orionshock | TNSe, prolly similar to how heirlooms are read. there is a last value after the item id or spell id in this case that indicates level |
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| 18:26.18 | TNSe | orionshock, so I'd have to write an addon? :P |
| 18:26.25 | TNSe | I want to extract these values for my own evil purposes. |
| 18:30.52 | orionshock | TNSe, naturally you would have to write an addon to do any sort of data mining :) |
| 18:31.29 | TNSe | :/ |
| 18:31.37 | orionshock | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/lawsuit-t-mobile-text-blocking-is-harshing-our-buzz-man.ars |
| 18:31.52 | TNSe | I want to get out the formula they calculate spells for Rawr |
| 18:32.01 | TNSe | easier than trying to reverse it I'd hope |
| 18:36.59 | fakeh | Is there a way to create a new Ace3DB profile without using SetProfile (I want to avoid OnProfileChanged callbacks) |
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| 18:49.03 | orionshock | fakeh, nope |
| 18:49.15 | TNSe | orionshock, I'd expect there to be a way to read the tables directly out of the wow datafiles |
| 18:49.19 | TNSe | without goign through script |
| 18:50.02 | orionshock | TNSe, posibly but not my forte |
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| 18:50.33 | fakeh | Ok thanks |
| 18:51.13 | Pneumatus | id have thought if it was possible it would have been done already in rawr |
| 18:51.18 | TNSe | well |
| 18:51.21 | TNSe | its new for 4.0 Pneumatus |
| 18:51.26 | Pneumatus | the mage dev at least seems pretty smart :P |
| 18:51.28 | TNSe | tooltips in 4.0 update with spell power and talents |
| 18:51.35 | TNSe | doesn't do so in 3.0 |
| 18:53.12 | Pneumatus | Adys or kagaro are probably the best ones to ask about the contents of the dbcs, at least |
| 18:53.23 | Adys | sup |
| 18:55.34 | fakeh | In terms of AceDB, OnProfileChanged is called after SetProfile, right? |
| 18:57.51 | fakeh | Aha, nvm.... it doesn't fire if the same profile is requested as is already set. |
| 19:00.01 | orionshock | fakeh, take a look at SexyMap, it uses some prebuilt db's |
| 19:00.10 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.55 | Stanzilla | antiarc's ace3 addons all have broken profiles :p |
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| 19:59.38 | EthanCentaurai | BONESTORM! |
| 20:00.04 | Parnic | so...does my font fix work, ceilingcentaurai? |
| 20:00.21 | Parnic | if you say you haven't tried it, i will punch you |
| 20:01.00 | EthanCentaurai | it works |
| 20:01.06 | Parnic | oh good. |
| 20:01.09 | EthanCentaurai | and I've come down from the ceiling now :3 |
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| 20:06.56 | TNSe | How do you create a link from scratch again (for item/spells) |
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| 20:14.03 | EthanCentaurai | |Hitem:<itemID>|h |
| 20:14.11 | EthanCentaurai | whoops |
| 20:14.18 | EthanCentaurai | |Hitem:<itemID>: |
| 20:14.20 | EthanCentaurai | gah |
| 20:14.38 | EthanCentaurai | |Hitem:<itemID>|h[<item name>]|h |
| 20:14.56 | EthanCentaurai | probably still wrong... |
| 20:14.59 | EthanCentaurai | shrugs |
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| 20:30.51 | Funkeh` | Bibi, you around? |
| 20:31.12 | EthanCentaurai | he's not a-round, he's a-human shape |
| 20:31.39 | Funkeh` | so last year |
| 20:32.24 | Bibi | Funkeh`: around what? |
| 20:45.49 | EthanCentaurai | gah, the realms are down |
| 20:45.57 | EthanCentaurai | hopefully the patch is coming :> |
| 20:46.49 | pompy | yeah |
| 20:47.01 | pompy | apparentely there was jus some little update on the live client? |
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| 20:49.13 | kagaro | ya im getting a patch on live dunno what it is |
| 20:53.07 | pompy | http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/26850256705-beta-realm-maintenance-09-18-2010.html |
| 20:53.10 | pompy | udpate :P |
| 20:53.19 | pompy | l2 use spellchecker, blues |
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| 20:58.08 | EthanCentaurai | hehe |
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| 21:24.59 | zoktar | lo anyone got that click on aura to get id, script, i lost mine |
| 21:25.28 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r597 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 21:25.30 | Repo | - fixed the GCD module to be available in the module settings list again |
| 21:25.31 | Repo | - tweaked options visibility and made 'bg visible' work on the GCD module |
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| 21:47.24 | kagaro | weird, ptr is patching to the new build but beta istn yet |
| 21:47.52 | harl | what the.. |
| 21:48.30 | harl | my wow just downloaded some kind of small patch and now i'm getting this message when i try to log-in that there was a problem with my game's version etc etc |
| 21:50.38 | pompy | kagaro: well they are two completely different servers ;) |
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| 21:51.52 | kagaro | oddly enough my ptr client shows the beta launcher |
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| 21:53.12 | pompy | i think they said the new launcher will come in patch 4.0.1? |
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| 21:56.38 | Parnic | harl: i had the same patch, but don't get any message on login afterward. it added some 'fall of the lich king' video it looks like |
| 21:59.23 | harl | yes |
| 22:00.50 | harl | i just totally don't like "reparing" software, no matter if its windows, wow or whatever. as of yet, repairing usually involved some kind of bad side-effects |
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| 22:05.30 | nebula | the video it touched was already there, not sure what it did |
| 22:05.40 | rljohn | hi neb |
| 22:05.44 | nebula | ! |
| 22:05.59 | rljohn | read guild chat plz |
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| 22:41.28 | pompy | "During the maintenance today all PTR characters will be wiped (deleted) off of the servers. " |
| 22:41.44 | sbu | haha |
| 22:41.45 | sbu | :) |
| 22:42.04 | sbu | and yay, another cataclysm date |
| 22:42.07 | nevcairiel | They're really going all out on the annoy box this time on the PTR |
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| 22:42.48 | sbu | this better be correct, now i can try to get my holidays :p |
| 22:43.02 | Funkeh` | By PTR I assume you mean PTR only |
| 22:43.05 | Funkeh` | not beta also |
| 22:43.06 | haste | they're just good at pulling out notes of the "annoyance idea collection" jar |
| 22:43.19 | pompy | Funkeh`: ciorrect they arent doing it for the beta |
| 22:43.29 | Funkeh` | Cool, then I don't care |
| 22:43.35 | pompy | exactly :) |
| 22:43.44 | pompy | ahh that random patch on live today was this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26850276660&sid=1 |
| 22:47.23 | sbu | mh, mondayish release for cataclysm? sucks, so i have to take the whole week :| |
| 22:47.34 | Iblise | When is the new date? |
| 22:47.45 | sbu | well amazon.de tells 15 nov |
| 22:47.54 | sbu | no "official" date yet |
| 22:49.06 | Iblise | 15 of nov is the new est? |
| 22:49.50 | Iblise | It just doesn't seem ready yet on beta |
| 22:50.02 | nevcairiel | sbu: was 16th earlier today :p |
| 22:50.14 | nevcairiel | i got a mail when they set it |
| 22:50.37 | pompy | http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/26850256806-ptr-known-issues-list-9-18-2010.html |
| 22:51.34 | sbu | nevcairiel: but still no CE preorder possible :| |
| 22:51.57 | sbu | Iblise: well thats another 2 months... |
| 22:52.19 | Iblise | even still, it feels rough as hell in beta |
| 22:52.30 | sbu | i like it... feels okay to me |
| 22:52.43 | sbu | some bugs, but its okay |
| 22:52.57 | Iblise | you don't play a healer do you |
| 22:53.20 | sylvanaar | ooooommmmmm |
| 22:53.32 | sbu | leveling as shadowpriest |
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| 22:53.43 | nevcairiel | I don't get what people complain about healers |
| 22:53.44 | sbu | but healing some instances was "okay" |
| 22:53.58 | nevcairiel | so its not easy mode anymore, get back to your dps'ing if you dont like it =P |
| 22:54.04 | sbu | i got to feel the mana issue stuff, but *shrug* should be fine also... |
| 22:55.00 | nevcairiel | the healing numbers could probably take a small increase |
| 22:55.01 | Iblise | Is there any way to turn off the next melee attack que |
| 22:55.05 | Iblise | cause that shit is annoying |
| 22:55.16 | nevcairiel | but they always says that numbers are irrelevant at this point |
| 22:55.31 | nevcairiel | s/says/say/ |
| 22:56.16 | sbu | well numbers... its 2 (!!) more months :p |
| 22:56.41 | sbu | they could do like 5 beta patches with all new game mechanics in two months... |
| 22:56.43 | sbu | so whats the point :) |
| 22:56.48 | Stanzilla | General Issues Quitting a guild will cause a client crash for all other online guild members |
| 22:56.51 | Stanzilla | that's awesome |
| 22:56.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:56.55 | sbu | lol |
| 22:57.07 | nevcairiel | rage quit has a whole new meaning with that |
| 22:57.08 | Iblise | but yeah back to disabling the que up next melee attack addition |
| 22:57.12 | Iblise | any way to disable that? |
| 22:59.24 | Stanzilla | Players may suddenly die while running around Thunder Bluff |
| 22:59.26 | Stanzilla | awesome |
| 22:59.58 | sbu | yay, tauren nazis |
| 22:59.59 | sbu | :d |
| 23:00.16 | sbu | tried to play tauren priest for 2 levels... bah |
| 23:00.43 | sbu | it all seems so.... slow, i dont know, doesnt feel good |
| 23:01.10 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: they can't really look at healer numbers yet anyway, at least until they decide what baseline stam you'd expect people to have at x point in time |
| 23:02.10 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 23:02.14 | nevcairiel | my point exactly |
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| 23:03.14 | Pneumatus | disc is horrible at the moment, but the numbers pass might make it less clunky |
| 23:03.39 | Parnic | my holy priest can cast heals ad nauseum without hardly dropping any mana |
| 23:03.46 | Pneumatus | resto shaman looks far more fun to play now |
| 23:03.47 | Parnic | well, out of combat anyway :P. just standing around town |
| 23:04.09 | sbu | Pneumatus: so more then just spamming CH? |
| 23:04.12 | nevcairiel | i like playing my druid, you actually get to use more of your spells |
| 23:04.14 | sbu | than even |
| 23:04.36 | Pneumatus | they have been more than just spam CH for a while now |
| 23:04.48 | Pneumatus | shadow priest is awful atm :< |
| 23:04.50 | sbu | mhhh nah ;) |
| 23:04.52 | sbu | i like SP |
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| 23:05.05 | sbu | well i still dont know how to use mind spike, but *shrug* |
| 23:05.16 | sbu | damage jumps up and down, somehow strange |
| 23:05.18 | Pneumatus | mastery affecting a spell that makes up ~15% of our dps, mindspike draining mana like a MoFo |
| 23:05.23 | Pneumatus | no thanks. |
| 23:05.41 | sbu | i get 20k SW:Death while leveling *sigh* :p |
| 23:06.03 | Pneumatus | at least archangel has been changed so you dont just want to bind it to every spell |
| 23:06.15 | Pneumatus | shame its useless for healing |
| 23:07.14 | Pneumatus | the day im expected to dps as a healer is the day i go dps |
| 23:09.36 | Pneumatus | the latest spell diffs at least look like an attempt at a numbers parse though, and aren't especially promising |
| 23:09.59 | Pneumatus | also |
| 23:10.00 | Pneumatus | Mana Tide Totem no longer restores mana |
| 23:10.03 | Pneumatus | i laughed |
| 23:10.05 | Pneumatus | quite loud |
| 23:10.14 | nevcairiel | wth does it now then? :) |
| 23:10.22 | Pneumatus | increases spirit by 200% |
| 23:10.39 | pompy | Mana Tide Totem no longer restores mana, now increases the spirit of party members within 40 yards by 200%. |
| 23:10.49 | Pneumatus | still party members as well |
| 23:10.52 | Pneumatus | dated mechanic is dated |
| 23:10.58 | nevcairiel | scaling totems > mana restoring totems |
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| 23:11.31 | Pneumatus | mana tide/spring and healing stream must be the only party-specific things left now |
| 23:11.42 | Pneumatus | as squids lost their hit aura and holy nova got made raidwide |
| 23:11.47 | nevcairiel | they are pretty powerful for raid wide though |
| 23:12.18 | sbu | yay holy nova spam :p |
| 23:12.20 | Pneumatus | yeh, but they still mean you have to dick around with specific group configurations |
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| 23:12.41 | sbu | err mana spring is raid-wide?! |
| 23:12.46 | Stanzilla | isn't holy nova for out-of-raid people, too? |
| 23:12.51 | sbu | Stanzilla: yup |
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| 23:13.01 | Pneumatus | sorry, spring is raidwide, healing stream and tide arent |
| 23:13.08 | Repo | 10raidinfo (experimental): 03pigmonkey 04v1.0 * r10 : Clean up duplicates |
| 23:13.13 | pompy | :O |
| 23:13.16 | nevcairiel | they should just make mana tide provide replenishment raid wide, and be done with it |
| 23:13.19 | jnwhiteh | Why in the hell is the Curse client set up to use alpha/beta releases by default? |
| 23:13.22 | jnwhiteh | or are my users just liars? |
| 23:13.32 | Pneumatus | and yeh, holy nova is friendly targets now |
| 23:13.36 | Stanzilla | liars! |
| 23:13.40 | Repo | 10raidinfo (experimental): 03pigmonkey 04v1.0 * r11 : Tagging as v1.0 |
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| 23:14.00 | Pneumatus | jnwhiteh: it isn't, but if an addon doesnt have releases it pulls the 'highest' it can get afaik |
| 23:14.07 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: it'll only ever use alpha/beta by default when there is no release at all |
| 23:14.33 | jnwhiteh | Clique users are getting alpha releases of Clique |
| 23:14.42 | jnwhiteh | which are obviously not intended for their use |
| 23:14.51 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: You can configure it to give you alphas. |
| 23:14.55 | jnwhiteh | i'm about to just stop posting alpha versions on Clique and direct those users to WowI |
| 23:14.59 | Pneumatus | r143-release for me |
| 23:15.14 | jnwhiteh | I've just had at least two people tell me that CC was set to alpha/beta by defaul |
| 23:15.20 | jnwhiteh | which I don't believe =) |
| 23:15.30 | Shefki | They're wrong. |
| 23:16.18 | SqueeG | Does anyone have any insight on how to set up data for use in a lib-ScrollingTable table? xD |
| 23:17.38 | sylvanaar | i set clique to release on live, and at some point it updated back to the alpha |
| 23:17.51 | jnwhiteh | there needs to be a 'NOT FUCKING YET' button |
| 23:17.55 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't go to Curse Client. |
| 23:17.58 | Repo | 10raidinfo (experimental): 03pigmonkey * r12 .pkgmeta: Fixed .pkgmeta |
| 23:18.11 | sylvanaar | turn off alpha packaging |
| 23:18.11 | jnwhiteh | given that alpha/beta is a single toggle, no? |
| 23:18.41 | Repo | 10raidinfo (experimental): 03pigmonkey 04v1.0.1 * r13 : Tagging as v1.0.1 |
| 23:18.46 | nevcairiel | i think they can control that. alpha, beta, or only release |
| 23:18.54 | nevcairiel | but i havent used the client for quite some time |
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| 23:19.05 | sylvanaar | on CC? yeah you can set release beta or alpha |
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| 23:19.16 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 23:19.18 | jnwhiteh | just checked |
| 23:19.27 | jnwhiteh | still, they need a 'DO NOT SHOW UP IN CURSE CLIENT' release status. |
| 23:19.45 | nevcairiel | I always say, when some user sets that to alpha, its his own damn fault |
| 23:19.47 | Pneumatus | or users that use alphas should understand what alphas are for |
| 23:19.52 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: You can turn off alpha generation. |
| 23:19.53 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 23:19.56 | jnwhiteh | i'm sorry guys |
| 23:20.01 | jnwhiteh | Cataclysm is a different game |
| 23:20.03 | jnwhiteh | its not alpha/beta |
| 23:20.11 | nevcairiel | then don't develop in trunk, imho =) |
| 23:20.14 | jnwhiteh | there needs to be an option that I can use that prevents users from running into this problem. |
| 23:20.18 | jnwhiteh | I'm not develoing in trunk you asshat. |
| 23:20.24 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 23:20.27 | nevcairiel | then how are your files getting there |
| 23:20.31 | jnwhiteh | because I'm tagging them |
| 23:20.31 | nevcairiel | its only packaging trunk |
| 23:20.34 | Parnic | grabs the popcorn |
| 23:20.36 | jnwhiteh | because I'm releasing them |
| 23:20.44 | jnwhiteh | so my users can download them and raid on Cataclysm |
| 23:20.47 | Copperman | grabs a bud |
| 23:21.14 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: There are multiple ways for you to deal with the issue. |
| 23:21.21 | sylvanaar | why dont you just add a build check guard around the code that is cata specific |
| 23:21.33 | Niv | wth patch? |
| 23:21.34 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: that's not how I develop |
| 23:21.48 | sylvanaar | ok, i'm just putting it out there |
| 23:21.50 | Pneumatus | so what really happened was you tagged cata builds which caused them to go to beta/release, then demoted them to alpha causing the people who had them installed to have their CC release pref for Clique drop to alpha |
| 23:22.06 | Pneumatus | as they now have alphas installed |
| 23:22.06 | nevcairiel | does CC work like that? |
| 23:22.10 | Pneumatus | yeh |
| 23:22.14 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: THey were ALWAYS alpha releases, they were never beta/release. |
| 23:22.15 | nevcairiel | silly thing |
| 23:22.46 | jnwhiteh | so no, that didn't happen |
| 23:23.07 | jnwhiteh | as far as I am aware =) |
| 23:23.12 | Niv | anyone know what this live patch is? |
| 23:23.21 | nevcairiel | Niv: just a tools patch, afaik |
| 23:23.22 | Parnic | tools updates |
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| 23:23.29 | jnwhiteh | lolwut |
| 23:23.29 | Niv | tools patch that started in game? |
| 23:23.32 | jnwhiteh | I can't even delete the fiels |
| 23:23.34 | nevcairiel | new background downloader etc |
| 23:23.36 | sylvanaar | just tag the alphas as betas then |
| 23:23.38 | jnwhiteh | "Field must be between 3 and 200 characters long." |
| 23:23.42 | jnwhiteh | no, i'm removing them |
| 23:23.44 | jnwhiteh | problem solved |
| 23:23.45 | Niv | huh, seems like usually the launcher picks up tools |
| 23:23.47 | Niv | but cool |
| 23:24.22 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: yep, that seems to have been what happened. |
| 23:24.23 | nevcairiel | I usually just throw out betas on the forums or link them on the project page from seperate hosting |
| 23:24.33 | jnwhiteh | silly client. |
| 23:24.38 | Pneumatus | cc does need to be smarter, regardless, it shouldn't pull addons flagged with a higher TOC than your current install (which it should be able to tell) |
| 23:24.44 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: could you please remove the cata fiels from my files page, as I cannot seem to do this. |
| 23:24.47 | nevcairiel | shrug, guess no-one ever thought of a case that happens every 2 odd years |
| 23:24.54 | nevcairiel | for clique was it? |
| 23:24.57 | jnwhiteh | yes. |
| 23:25.34 | jnwhiteh | r148, 149 150, 151 and 152 |
| 23:26.15 | jnwhiteh | I'm sorry for being so hostile, a "files only" release type would be incredibly useful. |
| 23:26.25 | nevcairiel | i dont even see a 148, but i'll just take all marked as 4.0.1 |
| 23:26.35 | jnwhiteh | 146, sorry |
| 23:26.36 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 23:26.36 | Shefki | I'm not sure what you mean by files only. |
| 23:26.42 | sylvanaar | there is a files only |
| 23:26.43 | jnwhiteh | no curse client. |
| 23:26.45 | nevcairiel | "Hide from Curse Client" |
| 23:26.48 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 23:26.48 | jnwhiteh | yes. |
| 23:27.01 | Shefki | That would kinda defeat the point of curse client then. |
| 23:27.05 | nevcairiel | or a project flag "Dont show alphas in curse client" |
| 23:27.17 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: .. not really |
| 23:27.20 | sylvanaar | you can upload zips |
| 23:27.24 | jnwhiteh | why would having the option of doing that defeat the curse client? |
| 23:27.28 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: they have to be alpha/release or beta |
| 23:27.30 | jnwhiteh | those are the only options |
| 23:27.46 | Pneumatus | a "don't download addons for versions of WoW that aren't my current version" option would be better |
| 23:27.55 | nevcairiel | All deleted |
| 23:27.58 | jnwhiteh | well, the client should do that either way, yes =) |
| 23:28.23 | jnwhiteh | just as a developer, it would be incredibly useful to be able to toss versions up that don't go to the client. I don't think that's asking too much *shrug* |
| 23:28.26 | jnwhiteh | but I'm weird. |
| 23:28.27 | Shefki | The entire point of the client is to provide an alternative way of downloading things from curse. |
| 23:28.27 | sylvanaar | i was working on that functionality when i stopped developing wau |
| 23:28.40 | Shefki | If it only has a subset of those things then why bother to use it at all. |
| 23:28.56 | jnwhiteh | because the client doesn't work properly in this case |
| 23:28.58 | jnwhiteh | understandably so |
| 23:29.01 | nevcairiel | It would be stupid of developers to flip that switch "just because" |
| 23:29.13 | jnwhiteh | and it would be nice if we as developers could do that without having to resort to external hosting. |
| 23:29.23 | jnwhiteh | in the future, I'll just create a new addon on curseforge |
| 23:29.31 | jnwhiteh | but that's not likely to happen |
| 23:29.38 | Shefki | Well I haven't received the alpha of Clique with it. |
| 23:29.45 | Shefki | So I dono't think this is a client problem. |
| 23:29.53 | Shefki | I think the PEBKAC |
| 23:29.54 | sylvanaar | i did Shefki |
| 23:29.58 | nevcairiel | I bet it was moron users that had alpha download setup |
| 23:30.16 | sylvanaar | it happened to me on live, after i set it to release |
| 23:30.17 | nevcairiel | or it really did what Pneumatus thought it mightve done |
| 23:30.28 | sylvanaar | and forced an update |
| 23:30.55 | jnwhiteh | its part my problem marking them as release in the first place, and part the client reverting people to alpha/beta or changing their settings |
| 23:30.57 | sylvanaar | i got 143 then later it autoupdated to the alpha |
| 23:31.03 | jnwhiteh | but its solved now, anyone who wants cata can get it from wowi |
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| 23:31.23 | Shefki | It's showing as up to date with r143 for me. |
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| 23:31.27 | orionshock | anyone know why wow would stop reloading addons when you reload the UI? |
| 23:31.43 | nevcairiel | Shefki: i deleted all other files |
| 23:31.47 | sylvanaar | Shefki: it autoupdated later, not right away |
| 23:31.49 | orionshock | i have made several adjustiments to an addon of mine, including a syntax error and wow has not figured out that the file changed. |
| 23:32.09 | nevcairiel | orionshock: maybe the error wasnt fixed afterall =) |
| 23:32.23 | orionshock | error? |
| 23:32.33 | orionshock | i reloaded the client and it didn't figure it out either :| |
| 23:33.21 | nevcairiel | check if you saved the file :p |
| 23:33.43 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 04v1.10.18 * c5086f4 /: [new tag, +1 commits] tag as v1.10.18 |
| 23:33.59 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Well the dirty little secret of curse is you can't really delete anything. |
| 23:34.02 | Shefki | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/clique/files/25 |
| 23:34.25 | nevcairiel | i know that they are still there |
| 23:34.32 | nevcairiel | but the CC ignores deleted files |
| 23:34.34 | nevcairiel | that much i know |
| 23:34.41 | nevcairiel | and users dont see them |
| 23:34.46 | nevcairiel | just mods and the project owner, iirc |
| 23:34.50 | orionshock | yes nev the file saved :P |
| 23:35.00 | Shefki | Users can see them if they know how to get to them. |
| 23:35.07 | Shefki | Most don't. |
| 23:35.23 | jnwhiteh | I don't care if anyone sees them |
| 23:35.26 | jnwhiteh | they're all up on wowinterface anyway =) |
| 23:36.08 | jnwhiteh | Thanks for your help all |
| 23:36.10 | koaschten_ | hmm actually someone beat the raab again |
| 23:36.20 | Shefki | Anyway since you're here jnwhiteh, any thoughts on how to allow click bindings to work with frames created in combat in Cata? |
| 23:36.25 | nevcairiel | you watch that stuff? |
| 23:36.39 | koaschten_ | sure, what else would you watch tonight? ;) |
| 23:36.42 | Shefki | Specifically frames made by the group headers. |
| 23:36.42 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: shouldn't it work the same way as it does in Live? |
| 23:36.48 | Shefki | Nope. |
| 23:36.51 | jnwhiteh | Why not? |
| 23:36.51 | orionshock | ok... nmd... was changing files for beta client not live :| |
| 23:37.03 | Shefki | The group headers no longer call AllowAttributeChanges or whatever the function is. |
| 23:37.13 | Shefki | THe initialConfigFunction is now a restricted environment. |
| 23:37.19 | Shefki | Where you pass in lua code as a string. |
| 23:37.36 | nevcairiel | thats a problem? |
| 23:37.38 | jnwhiteh | oh jesus. |
| 23:38.10 | nevcairiel | Just have to redesign it, but still sounds possible, methinks |
| 23:38.20 | Shefki | I had a few thoughts. |
| 23:38.21 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 23:38.28 | jnwhiteh | its a coupling that should not need to be there |
| 23:38.34 | jnwhiteh | and it upsets me. |
| 23:38.52 | Shefki | Well don't look at me I'm just the messanger. |
| 23:39.06 | jnwhiteh | I know =) |
| 23:39.09 | jnwhiteh | I'm not upset with you |
| 23:39.16 | Shefki | I had a few ideas how to work around it. |
| 23:39.18 | jnwhiteh | I'm upset for not seeing the change sooner and fixing it. |
| 23:39.21 | jnwhiteh | I'm up for suggestions |
| 23:39.33 | Shefki | You could register the attributes on the group header. |
| 23:39.50 | Shefki | And provide a ClickCastGroups or something. |
| 23:40.03 | Shefki | THen frames can register the groups out of combat. |
| 23:40.13 | Shefki | You set the attributes on the group, then the initialConfigFunction can copy them. |
| 23:40.27 | Shefki | More work on the unit frame to make it work but it's possible. |
| 23:40.36 | Shefki | Anothehr way would be to stringify them somehow. |
| 23:40.59 | jnwhiteh | both of these introduce a coupling that I'm not happy with |
| 23:41.05 | Shefki | I know it sucks. |
| 23:41.15 | Shefki | I'm not sure of a good way to avoid it though. |
| 23:41.25 | nevcairiel | You can even provide a code snippet in an attribute that sets all of them and pass in the new frame, that way the UF author just needs to grab that snippet from the attribute and run it |
| 23:41.38 | Shefki | nevcairiel: You can't do that. |
| 23:41.43 | jnwhiteh | the fact of the matter is, it changes the way every single unit frame has to integrate with click-casting addons |
| 23:41.48 | Shefki | nevcairiel: You can't eval code in the environment. |
| 23:41.51 | jnwhiteh | after all the fucking work we did to get it where it is today. |
| 23:42.15 | nevcairiel | Shefki: you can, using control:Run |
| 23:42.28 | Shefki | Hmmm. |
| 23:42.37 | nevcairiel | takes a code snippet in string form as first parameter |
| 23:42.52 | Shefki | If that works then that's a really great method. |
| 23:43.18 | Shefki | Still kinda sucks but allows more room for change from Clique without requiring change on the side of the unit frame addons. |
| 23:43.21 | nevcairiel | just limits the work on the UF side |
| 23:43.50 | jnwhiteh | well clique is going to be changing the way it works |
| 23:43.53 | jnwhiteh | and I can make it work with this |
| 23:43.59 | jnwhiteh | just EVERYONE is going to have to change their shit |
| 23:44.02 | jnwhiteh | and its been such an uphill battle |
| 23:44.05 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: *nod* |
| 23:44.35 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: If you work on anything let me know I'd be more than willing to alter stuff on my end and test the changes. |
| 23:44.47 | jnwhiteh | alright, thank you |
| 23:44.47 | nevcairiel | there is even a RunAttribute that simplifys that, didnt remember that, heh |
| 23:45.18 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Wow nice, didn't know about that. |
| 23:45.49 | nevcairiel | grab yoruself a copy of iriels restricted env doc =) Although it might be slightly dated with the 4.0 changes |
| 23:46.09 | Shefki | I have a copy of several versions of it. |
| 23:46.34 | nevcairiel | anything newer then 3.1-revision1? |
| 23:47.31 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Nope last time I talked to Iriel 3.1-r1 was the newest. |
| 23:48.31 | nevcairiel | I didnt actually check how the API of the restricted env was affected by the internal changes |
| 23:48.33 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: I wonder if you couldn't make a Secure frame of some sort, and allow frame handles to be passed into it. |
| 23:48.39 | nevcairiel | nothing broke yet, so thats good |
| 23:49.26 | Shefki | Then have the secure handler track the table in secure code. |
| 23:49.40 | Shefki | Since you can set attributes in combat from within secure code. |
| 23:50.09 | Shefki | It'd be a pain but... |
| 23:50.26 | Shefki | You could leave the ClickCastFrames global table in place. |
| 23:50.37 | Shefki | And keep the metatable and just make it drive the secure side. |
| 23:50.48 | Shefki | In which case it would 99% work except for groups. |
| 23:51.03 | Shefki | Which provides a stepping stone. |
| 23:51.07 | nevcairiel | the secure code can't read that table, how is that supposed to work? |
| 23:51.17 | Shefki | It doesn't need to. |
| 23:51.31 | Shefki | The entry gets deleted from the table after it gets added anyway. |
| 23:51.48 | Shefki | So you add the entry, __newindex gets called, _newindex sets the attribute. |
| 23:52.05 | nevcairiel | but __newindex is not secure, it cant set attributes |
| 23:52.09 | Shefki | Right. |
| 23:52.16 | Shefki | This won't fix the problem. |
| 23:52.21 | Shefki | That's not the point. |
| 23:52.40 | Shefki | Moving to adding frames to a SetAttribute call is what solves the problem. |
| 23:53.02 | Shefki | The new __newindex is just there as a transitional tool. |
| 23:53.13 | Shefki | A way to make it mostly work. |
| 23:53.42 | Shefki | Nobody even noticed that click cast bindings didn't set on frames made in combat till I pointed it out and we got an API change to make it easier part way through cata. |
| 23:53.55 | Shefki | So it'd avoid the "OMG Clique is broken till every author updates." |
| 23:54.13 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 23:54.26 | jnwhiteh | they noticed, just no one put together a coherent writeup of it. |
| 23:54.44 | Shefki | Ok. |
| 23:55.06 | jnwhiteh | The unit frame would still need to update, wouldn't it? |
| 23:55.16 | Shefki | Only unit frames providing group headers. |
| 23:55.17 | jnwhiteh | Since you cannot do ClickCastFrames[button] = true in a secure snippet |
| 23:55.23 | Shefki | And they have to rewrite their initialConfigFunction anyway. |
| 23:55.29 | jnwhiteh | yes. |
| 23:55.50 | Shefki | Which is my point. |
| 23:56.09 | Shefki | They're going to realize they can't do ClickCastFrames[frame] = true anymore from that and wonder what they should do. |
| 23:56.16 | nevcairiel | shouldnt all UFs error and fail badly right now then anyway? |
| 23:56.22 | Shefki | PB4 works. :) |
| 23:56.33 | nevcairiel | probably because you fixed it |
| 23:56.37 | Shefki | Right. |
| 23:56.39 | nevcairiel | but if you cant set attributes anymore |
| 23:56.45 | nevcairiel | any UF needs a fix |
| 23:56.58 | Shefki | Well the old initialConfigFunction doesn't even get called. |
| 23:57.19 | Shefki | Right. |
| 23:57.25 | Shefki | But not all unit frames offer groups. |
| 23:57.39 | Shefki | And those without groups e.g. huds, don't need to be updated. |
| 23:57.53 | nevcairiel | are huds usually click-castable? |
| 23:57.58 | Shefki | They can be. |
| 23:57.59 | nevcairiel | I havent really used any =p |
| 23:58.01 | jnwhiteh | not often, but some |
| 23:58.08 | Shefki | Usually by default no. |
| 23:58.28 | Shefki | Anyway my strategy keeps it working with everything but what would already be broken anyway. |
| 23:58.38 | Pneumatus | yeh, i have a bunch of icehud frames in my clique blacklist |
| 23:58.40 | Shefki | Which seems like a good interim solution and provides time to educate. |
| 23:59.02 | nevcairiel | clickable huds sounds like a bad idea, they are in the middle of the screen usually, arent they =) |
| 23:59.24 | Shefki | Nuclear weapons are a bad idea, people still do it. |
