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| 00:28.59 | Repo | 10auctionator-recipelist: 03TAP3AH * r13 / (3 files in 2 directories): LibTextbook updated to r14 |
| 00:29.01 | Repo | bug fix: scanning breaks when the character is from another realm |
| 00:34.21 | Axodious | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87p53rAD7Sk <-- There are 100 ways to love a cat. |
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| 00:48.21 | Wobin | Axodious: .... half an hour? |
| 00:50.26 | Groktar | hehe |
| 00:50.38 | Groktar | 1.5 pound kitten pouncing my 11 pound cat |
| 00:50.49 | Groktar | and the 11 pound cat scampered off and hid under the bed |
| 00:51.10 | Wobin | he's clearly learnt. "Cats Have Sharp Bits" |
| 00:51.22 | Groktar | lol |
| 00:52.04 | Axodious | Groktar! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87p53rAD7Sk 1 |
| 00:52.06 | Axodious | ! |
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| 00:54.33 | Groktar | i skipped to the end |
| 00:54.43 | Groktar | that cat seemed surprisingly calm about the vacuum cleaner |
| 00:55.59 | Axodious | lol |
| 00:56.30 | Groktar | oh god it has music |
| 00:56.39 | Axodious | XD |
| 01:10.58 | koaschten | hmpf gief beta patch already :/ |
| 01:14.06 | Axodious | ^ |
| 01:26.30 | robokitty | Gief beta in general |
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| 01:55.48 | Iblise | Hey, question about bigwigs, why does it sometimes bug out on suarfang or lk, when you join the fight after you have killed the previous boss |
| 01:56.25 | Stanzilla | because you did not mouseover the npc |
| 01:56.54 | Iblise | I 100% select the npc before the encounter is started |
| 01:57.13 | Stanzilla | no idea then but that happens sometimes for me, too :) |
| 01:58.28 | Iblise | Just wondering, as it kills me when I don't have a count timer for army + speed pot |
| 01:58.50 | Iblise | I don't know if the other mods do it or if its a bigwigs issues |
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| 02:44.20 | Repo | 10realid-toons: 03Starinnia * r60 Options.lua: -preemptively add lines for localization |
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| 03:25.07 | starlon | is there a resource server type of addon already written? one that you can use like ResourceServer:GetMemUsage("MyUnitFrameAddon") |
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| 03:41.20 | vhaarr | you mean like GetAddOnMemoryUsage() ? |
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| 04:32.19 | digmouse|work | huh curse down? |
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| 04:58.05 | orionshock | @describe wow/AlarLib |
| 04:58.06 | Repo | orionshock: http://www.wowace.com/addons/project-13393/. AlarLib. Routines shared by Alar's modules. Internal use. |
| 04:58.28 | orionshock | project offline...humm |
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| 05:19.52 | Yssaril | orionshock: what you want with alar lib? |
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| 05:38.03 | Wobin | hopefully poking it with a 12ft stick or longer |
| 05:46.05 | ccKep | atleast the new launcher has decent speed again... previous one was a major pita for me |
| 05:46.13 | orionshock | Yssaril, was wanting a link for an example |
| 05:46.42 | Yssaril | ahh |
| 05:50.24 | orionshock | Yssaril, was telling starlon about AlarLib wrt how we ( the community @ wowace ) scrutinize new libs like hawks. |
| 05:50.39 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 05:50.43 | orionshock | hungry hawks |
| 05:51.21 | BluInBath | and point and jeer at the inadqueicies in them like vultures I guess ? |
| 05:51.23 | Yssaril | i'd say vultures :P but its a good thing imo |
| 05:51.43 | orionshock | both work :) |
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| 05:52.07 | orionshock | think, "Slow food get's eaten and forgotten about till hungry again. Fast Food gets away and live another day" |
| 05:53.16 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 05:53.22 | Fisker | underage children making out |
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| 05:55.15 | orionshock | not going to ask.... |
| 05:58.21 | Fisker | orionshock you should |
| 05:58.35 | Fisker | But anyway fictional child pornography is illegal in australia |
| 05:58.43 | Fisker | so i'm just piling on Wobin's criminal record |
| 05:59.36 | Wobin | We'll just extradite you to australia, Fisker |
| 05:59.48 | Wobin | and put you in a detention centre |
| 05:59.56 | Wobin | and forget about you |
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| 06:02.34 | sbu | yay updates |
| 06:05.22 | sbu | yay FAST updates :p |
| 06:07.50 | Yssaril | sbu: wtb equaly fast maintenace |
| 06:07.57 | Fisker | sbu |
| 06:08.09 | sbu | i never hat such wow download/patch speed :p |
| 06:08.09 | Fisker | yeah Wobin |
| 06:08.25 | Fisker | just tell them to use that terrorlaw we passed |
| 06:08.26 | sbu | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_eXcGpUxDdAQ/TH3tUxYFNXI/AAAAAAAABcw/usEhUr9dJsU/cataclysmbetapatch.jpg wtf |
| 06:08.28 | Fisker | that should work out nicely |
| 06:08.53 | Fisker | just like how we extradited a person who couldn't even be convicted for something totally unrelated to terrorism |
| 06:08.54 | Fisker | lold |
| 06:09.00 | Fisker | i came sbu |
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| 06:24.12 | ccKep | fast updates + enabled addons = win |
| 06:26.54 | orionshock | my beta install is f'ed, won't work on crossover games, berly works on regular wine |
| 06:27.26 | evl | curiously it's been flawless on OSX |
| 06:27.45 | orionshock | stabs evl in the side with big knife |
| 06:28.09 | evl | hey hey now, work gives me macs, can't say no! |
| 06:29.43 | ccKep | "It appears to have been chewed on by an animal or young dwarf." - lovin the archeology descriptions so far :D |
| 06:30.47 | evl | wonder what blizzard games would be like without all their crazy monty python-ish khumor |
| 06:31.08 | evl | nevermind, that's exactly what I imagine Aion to be, plus a horrible ching-chong grind |
| 06:36.17 | orionshock | did they release a new launcher for beta? |
| 06:36.24 | ccKep | yeah |
| 06:36.30 | orionshock | great... |
| 06:36.35 | ccKep | quite nice, and it's speedy again |
| 06:36.53 | ccKep | wondering if "All dungeons should be available for testing." means this patch contains vortex pinnacle, grim batol, halls of origination and lost city of the tol'vir.. would be quite a bit of testing then :D |
| 06:38.13 | ccKep | (in addition to the new zones) |
| 06:39.26 | orionshock | i'd like an instance that didn't start with halls |
| 06:39.41 | orionshock | ... infact if they never did that again, that would be great |
| 06:39.54 | orionshock | IMO they should do a UBRS style instance |
| 06:40.10 | evl | BRS in conclusion was brilliant |
| 06:40.12 | evl | but long |
| 06:40.38 | orionshock | just UBRS, not UBRS-LBRS pair |
| 06:40.44 | evl | The way they did the ICC 5s was pretty good, a story progression |
| 06:40.59 | orionshock | a non-raid, 10main instance |
| 06:41.09 | evl | Would be even cooler if it was like 3 5-man dungeons that ended up in an easy raid instance and finally a hard one |
| 06:41.30 | orionshock | 15bosses, and a 3hr grind of a metric ton of mobs |
| 06:41.43 | evl | don't you MC me young lad |
| 06:41.58 | ccKep | personally don't like HoR 's design, but thats just me I guess |
| 06:42.11 | evl | Too many waves tbh |
| 06:42.19 | evl | 6 would have been more than enough |
| 06:42.27 | ccKep | dont like the feeling of "enter the dungeon and stay like 10mins in the first room" |
| 06:42.42 | ccKep | well, not 10.. but you get the drill |
| 06:43.20 | evl | exactly, should have been more fast paced |
| 06:43.23 | ccKep | and I actually love the feeling of going back to the heroics in 264+ gear and wrecking everything |
| 06:43.31 | evl | didn't like the pacing change, like a dull waiting room in the start and then you gotta run for it |
| 06:44.46 | orionshock | im sorry.. i like'ed the good ol' days when having epics ment something. where playing the game was actually a challenge and not a chore. :P |
| 06:45.55 | ccKep | nothing compares to CoT durnholde, arcatraz and shattered halls on tbc release |
| 06:46.03 | ccKep | god that were epic instances |
| 06:46.50 | orionshock | ^^ indeed |
| 06:46.58 | orionshock | Arcatraz... now that was epic |
| 06:47.22 | evl | orionshock: eh? |
| 06:47.23 | orionshock | normal mode required attention, heroic was hell |
| 06:47.49 | evl | "where playing the game was actually a challenge and not a chore" when did you actually start? After everyone had grinded MC until their eyes bled? :D |
| 06:48.08 | orionshock | evl, i joined in patch 1.10 |
| 06:48.25 | evl | Can't really call MC a fun instance still |
| 06:48.27 | evl | It was a chore |
| 06:48.29 | ccKep | those sentinels in CoT: Durnholde calling their reinforcements repeatedly decimated our tank ^.^ |
| 06:48.42 | evl | CoT is nice |
| 06:49.26 | evl | My favorite instance is still Deadmines :) |
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| 06:50.06 | ccKep | I really hope they're tuning the cata instances harder than wotlk (compared)... doesn't have to be much, just a tad... |
| 06:50.41 | evl | They claimed the problem was the TOGC |
| 06:50.48 | evl | Which skewed the item levels |
| 06:50.51 | ccKep | really looking forward to throne of tides final boss on heroic |
| 06:50.55 | orionshock | evl, orly? |
| 06:50.59 | evl | But that side, heroic Lich King is still incredibly hard |
| 06:51.11 | ccKep | still dont have that down in 25s :( |
| 06:51.12 | orionshock | i think it was when BC came out and they decided to change the ilvl equation to begin with |
| 06:51.30 | evl | I'm glad they're ripping everything uo |
| 06:51.42 | evl | if I have to run one more PuG run with "ArP prio" I'm going to choke on my own vomit |
| 06:52.33 | ccKep | never saw something like that on my server |
| 06:52.49 | orionshock | anyone know what the url is for the news on the beta launcher? |
| 06:53.30 | ccKep | realmlist.wtf doesnt have one it seems :( |
| 06:53.37 | ccKep | SET serverAlert "SERVER_ALERT_BETA_URL" |
| 06:53.39 | sbu | meh, uber beta patch and i'm stuck at work :p |
| 06:53.53 | ccKep | sbu: servers are down |
| 06:53.59 | sbu | ah, right |
| 06:54.12 | orionshock | ccKep, yeah.. getting that variable out of the GlueXML on beta is going to be fun .... >.> |
| 06:54.41 | sbu | just log http traffic :p |
| 06:54.48 | sbu | should be easy then |
| 06:56.08 | orionshock | just did a fresh install, it's got to verify 10+gb of data before it thinks about downloading new stuff |
| 06:56.10 | orionshock | >.> |
| 06:58.58 | ccKep | hope they've fixed some of the crit errors, last build felt kinda unstable |
| 06:59.53 | sbu | crashy goblin |
| 07:01.08 | ccKep | +lets hope for holy power working again ^.^ |
| 07:04.37 | ccKep | regarding lk25hc: anyone here who killed him and halion25hc? would like to have an estimate on what seems to be the harder fight to progress on |
| 07:05.46 | evl | LK25 is harder |
| 07:05.52 | evl | Halion just requires people to constaly move |
| 07:05.57 | evl | constantly* |
| 07:06.08 | ccKep | :( |
| 07:06.12 | evl | You'll get problems with healers that are used to standing in one spot spamming |
| 07:06.26 | ccKep | well, we've killed halion25hc once |
| 07:06.29 | ccKep | that was 2 weeks ago though |
| 07:06.46 | ccKep | and we've spent like 300 tries until now (kill was at like 150) |
| 07:07.23 | ccKep | I kinda suspect our dps are lacking |
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| 07:17.13 | evl | bring more death knights with shadowmourne |
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| 07:19.08 | ccKep | just have 1 :( |
| 07:19.18 | sbu | ccKep: well we have like 1000 deaths to cutter in normalmode :| |
| 07:19.32 | ccKep | on our kill we had 3 rogues und 2 unholy dks, thats been _really_ nice |
| 07:19.46 | ccKep | though our roster isn't stable enough to bring them everytime :( |
| 07:20.00 | ccKep | sbu: I think normal mode cutter is harder than heroic mode :P |
| 07:20.31 | ccKep | on heroic you just "follow" a sphere and everything's fine |
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| 07:21.16 | ccKep | then just rotate every 2nd sphere thats flying past... on normal mode its kinda weird |
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| 07:23.24 | ccKep | most of the time its just people failing like hardcore... dps seems really close but it works out most tries |
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| 07:24.08 | ccKep | failing like... clicking the portal from p2->p3 and getting the shadow debuff half a sec before clicking (not watching their timers) |
| 07:24.35 | ccKep | or trying to click the portal while the boss isn't turned away, thus getting breathed... dunno whats wrong with people doing that |
| 07:26.59 | sbu | ccKep: better one i sclicking portal multiple times |
| 07:28.05 | ccKep | I did once, felt like I've been phased back and forth multiple times... though I ended up in the correct phase and didn't check again in later tries |
| 07:28.15 | sbu | well didnt happen to me |
| 07:28.21 | sbu | but clicks seems to be queued up |
| 07:28.27 | sbu | and 2nd click is autoattack drake |
| 07:28.41 | sbu | leads to quick deaths :p |
| 07:28.54 | ccKep | I'm mostly turned in the opposite direction when clicking the portals |
| 07:29.13 | sbu | bbl, meeting :| |
| 07:29.17 | ccKep | because we tank halion at the fire wall in p1, so the portal doesnt spawn at the center |
| 07:29.21 | ccKep | have fun :D |
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| 08:09.43 | orionshock | what's a good HP for a new tank? (i is a druid) |
| 08:10.34 | Adirelle|work | wtf, ckknight's writing mods again ? |
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| 08:11.39 | SunTsu | orionshock: depends on what you do and who is with you |
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| 08:12.36 | orionshock | solo |
| 08:12.43 | orionshock | & what u mean by what i do? |
| 08:13.19 | orionshock | atm, unbuffed i got 25k |
| 08:13.32 | SunTsu | orionshock: normal instances, heroics, raids, and so on |
| 08:13.40 | orionshock | heroics |
| 08:14.29 | SunTsu | orionshock: you should be fine, I had as much health in my first utgard keep heroic run, everybody in blues |
| 08:16.05 | Vilkku | oh fuck yes |
| 08:16.08 | Vilkku | the new cata launcher |
| 08:16.15 | Vilkku | MAXIMIZES MY BANDWIDTH \,,/ |
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| 08:16.29 | koaschten | yeah it maximizes mine too... to 0.0kb/s |
| 08:16.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | mine downloaded hella fast |
| 08:17.18 | orionshock | mine is twittling at 756kbps |
| 08:17.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | i got my max bandwidth |
| 08:17.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | 12Mbit |
| 08:18.03 | koaschten | oh now something happens |
| 08:18.14 | koaschten | 40kb/s download, 120kb/s upload |
| 08:18.16 | koaschten | -.- |
| 08:19.29 | orionshock | sylvanaar, is that metric or ISO @ 12Mbit? |
| 08:19.52 | koaschten | go to hell with metric Mbit |
| 08:19.54 | koaschten | ^^ |
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| 08:20.12 | orionshock | it's really funny how that minor difference is such a pain in the ass |
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| 08:20.26 | orionshock | 1TB HD anyone? |
| 08:20.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | i was getting 1.2 MB/s download speed. |
| 08:21.16 | koaschten | oh wait... no realms? |
| 08:21.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah no realms |
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| 08:22.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | man my new chai tea is orgasmic |
| 08:23.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | could be all the milk and sugar - but still |
| 08:23.24 | koaschten | hmpf and i thought i was clever trying to launnch the game with barely a pixel of the bar into the yellow |
| 08:23.43 | Megalon | you got outsmarted smarty! |
| 08:23.51 | koaschten | yeah obviously |
| 08:24.06 | koaschten | because the downloader doesn't care about the unchecked peer to peer box either |
| 08:26.06 | koaschten | so.. addons are enabled this build |
| 08:26.20 | Megalon | time to fire up auctioneer! |
| 08:26.24 | koaschten | :D |
| 08:26.31 | Vilkku | good thing servers aren't up |
| 08:26.37 | Vilkku | there's work that needs to get done :P |
| 08:26.42 | koaschten | no rather get event horizon, tidy plates and SUF goin |
| 08:26.45 | koaschten | and some bt4 lovin |
| 08:27.09 | Vilkku | koaschten, agree with you on event horizon |
| 08:27.13 | Vilkku | damn that addon spoils you |
| 08:27.35 | Vilkku | I'm like "oh yeah I need to use lava burst as well" |
| 08:28.04 | koaschten | revealing strike totally went past me the first 2 weeks i had it |
| 08:28.20 | Vilkku | yeah |
| 08:28.27 | Vilkku | unleash elements what is this |
| 08:28.31 | Vilkku | something like that |
| 08:28.39 | Megalon | while servers are off you can watch: http://www.livestream.com/newchannel/popoutplayer?channel=goatrope |
| 08:28.54 | Megalon | they finally got their 2,5kg gummibear |
| 08:29.05 | Megalon | and someone has to eat it on camera |
| 08:29.33 | Megalon | Some facts: |
| 08:29.33 | Megalon | The man is 125 pounds. |
| 08:29.33 | Megalon | The gummy is 5 pounds. |
| 08:29.33 | Megalon | After this event he will be 4 percent gummy. |
| 08:29.37 | Megalon | ;D |
| 08:29.50 | Vilkku | oh god :D |
| 08:30.55 | Megalon | goatrope streams himself playing starcraft2 and he always is on mumble with the same people |
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| 08:31.07 | Megalon | and one day one of them found the website where you can order thoses beasts |
| 08:31.17 | koaschten | sooo |
| 08:31.24 | Megalon | and they came up with someone eating the whole thing on his own :s |
| 08:31.40 | koaschten | the new p2p downloader just does a speed test and takes 50% of your upload bandwidth? |
| 08:33.12 | koaschten | thats pretty clever for all those asymetric links... |
| 08:33.46 | koaschten | ... wait no, trying to upload with 1mbit and getting the best out of 32mbit downlink will still instantly saturate my upload... |
| 08:36.50 | Kalroth | wut? |
| 08:37.20 | Kalroth | downloading with 32mbit will not saturate your upstream, unless you got like 32mbit/128kbit |
| 08:38.08 | koaschten | http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/hrqzvts5/new_blizz_downloader.png |
| 08:38.40 | koaschten | no Kalroth but it will if the blizz downloader designates 100kb as pure p2p upload and then the rest for control stream of the upload |
| 08:39.01 | Megalon | damn you koaschten |
| 08:39.04 | Kalroth | Again, that is not an issue unless your upstream is really, really, really low |
| 08:39.17 | koaschten | yeah 2 mbit :( really slow |
| 08:39.26 | Megalon | my launcher crashed when i opened you screenshot, wtf :o |
| 08:39.32 | Kalroth | I got 50mbit/2mbit and I don't have that issue |
| 08:39.35 | ccKep | I've got a 32 / 2 connection too, downloaded with 2.4mb/s |
| 08:39.42 | koaschten | png bomb tested successfully @ Megalon :D |
| 08:40.10 | Kalroth | I download with 5MB/s and upload with 175KB/s at the same time |
| 08:40.22 | Kalroth | and still not saturate my upstream |
| 08:40.29 | Megalon | just wait until i test my fiskerbomb on YOU koaschten!!1 |
| 08:42.08 | koaschten | yeah but nonetheless, the bandwidth log of my router says different Kalroth ;/ |
| 08:44.38 | Kalroth | Maybe there's too much noise on your line, sounds like you got DSL |
| 08:45.38 | ccKep | sounds like same provider as mine, didn't have his problems though |
| 08:45.39 | koaschten | nope its 32/2 cable |
| 08:46.08 | koaschten | yeah ccKep KDG |
| 08:47.19 | ccKep | as said earlier, downloaded with 2.4mb/s... didnt even check upload |
| 08:48.39 | Fisker | slaps koaschten around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:48.50 | Fisker | your connection sucks |
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| 08:48.59 | koaschten | your mom sucks Fisker |
| 08:49.31 | ccKep | jormuttar is soooo fat...... |
| 08:49.41 | koaschten | ccKep well more interestingly, does KDG throttle your connection on weekdays from 6pm to midnight? |
| 08:50.07 | ccKep | well, I'm having all kinds of trouble honestly |
| 08:50.23 | ccKep | but I've never noticed actual throttling |
| 08:50.48 | ccKep | though I'm not downloading much in that timeframe |
| 08:51.04 | ccKep | rapidshare happy hours ^.^ |
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| 08:51.19 | Kalroth | "KD do some nasty throttling with their connections between 6pm and 11pm on weekdays and something like 8am to 11pm on weekends" |
| 08:52.03 | ccKep | the 75%-packetloss-days are more annoying :o |
| 08:52.15 | koaschten | i'd agree with that ccKep |
| 08:52.24 | Kalroth | That's probably because your local hub is too crowded |
| 08:52.28 | koaschten | whats most annoying is the 8k-16k ms ingame |
| 08:52.38 | koaschten | pull modem, plug modem -> 50ms ingame evenings |
| 08:52.39 | Kalroth | Where on your link does the packet loss happen? |
| 08:53.26 | Kalroth | http://wiki.vuze.com/w/Bad_ISPs#Germany lol |
| 08:53.33 | ccKep | never checked |
| 08:53.34 | koaschten | yeah Kalroth |
| 08:53.36 | koaschten | exactly |
| 08:54.32 | koaschten | but if you want a realy good laugh -> http://www.kdgforum.de/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=12738 & http://www.kdgforum.de/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=6666 |
| 08:54.51 | Lyset | sweden not even on the list |
| 08:54.52 | Lyset | fuck yeah |
| 08:56.10 | ccKep | I dont have that "16k ms until I re-replug my modem"-problem, never had |
| 08:56.23 | koaschten | Kalroth my personal favourite from last weekend was -> http://www.kdgforum.de/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=12738&start=130#p169650 |
| 08:56.54 | koaschten | not even a moving single frame using KDG but smooth streaming via octoshape using my tethered iphone 3g ^^ |
| 09:04.19 | orionshock | ... gotta say, i hate tanking now a days |
| 09:04.22 | orionshock | i really do... |
| 09:04.27 | Kalroth | l2p issue |
| 09:04.57 | orionshock | Kalroth, no.. just how does one get & keep threat on a mob when all the dps start in on the pull |
| 09:05.20 | orionshock | or when the healer decides to hit you with a pre-heal on the pull and get's insta-gibed |
| 09:05.36 | orionshock | am i asking too much for 2sec ? |
| 09:05.38 | Kalroth | I blow taunt if that is the case, if the mob lasts more than 6 seconds and I still dont have aggro, then I failed :P |
| 09:06.01 | Kalroth | The healer only does that once though :P |
| 09:06.13 | orionshock | ... please for the 2sunder rule to be reinstated by the devs please |
| 09:07.32 | Kalroth | What class btw? |
| 09:07.42 | Kalroth | I've only tanked (seriously) as a warrior |
| 09:08.02 | Kalroth | So I have charge and usually run in first :) |
| 09:09.59 | koaschten | i have the perfect solution |
| 09:10.02 | koaschten | bring a ROGUE |
| 09:10.55 | Kalroth | fuck no, rogues are the WORST |
| 09:11.14 | Kalroth | they use sprint, run in, aggro 2-3 packs and then go "PLS HALP ME UR BAD TANK" |
| 09:12.25 | orionshock | im a druid |
| 09:12.44 | orionshock | im from the old school, u pull it off the tank u get to tank it now w/o heals |
| 09:13.16 | orionshock | the rouge in my group just now was all epixed out @ ~230 ilvl, I let him die once and he didn't really pull mobs off me again |
| 09:13.33 | Kalroth | Yup, I'm like that too. I don't care about the heals though, the healer is free to keep the DPS alive :p |
| 09:13.42 | quiescens | moo |
| 09:14.17 | quiescens | I mostly did um |
| 09:14.23 | orionshock | I off tanked SSC at level, I was one of the few feral druids on the server that tanked UBRS at level.. i've doe it for a long time :) |
| 09:14.44 | koaschten | pff just tricks and fok.... if the tank can't hold aggro... chill and let the run take 10min longer |
| 09:14.45 | quiescens | rather, I mostly only get annoyed if people aggro stuff i'm obviously not trying to hold |
| 09:14.46 | koaschten | :) |
| 09:14.55 | orionshock | back when feral druids where... u know the red headded step child of the raid |
| 09:15.23 | orionshock | koaschten, ur a smart dps... there are not many of those around still |
| 09:15.38 | orionshock | they are all "INSTA-DPS on pull & QQ if they die" |
| 09:15.40 | koaschten | wait, i need to screenshot that, someone called me smart |
| 09:15.50 | quiescens | psh |
| 09:15.57 | quiescens | the flip side is more |
| 09:16.04 | orionshock | sign of a good player, Aggro Management with lower geared tanks & players |
| 09:16.28 | quiescens | "only pull aggro if you will survive it" |
| 09:16.29 | quiescens | nodnod |
| 09:17.12 | orionshock | & when sap, sheep & ice trap where on the main bar and not collecting dust in the spell book |
| 09:17.42 | quiescens | they still have their use, you just have to be more.. inventive |
| 09:17.43 | koaschten | i dont have sap on my main bar :( |
| 09:17.53 | orionshock | ~fail koaschten |
| 09:17.53 | purl | koaschten: FAIL! |
| 09:17.55 | koaschten | though ... i have it on a shapeshift bar in stealth |
| 09:18.12 | Kalroth | I've tanked all 4 adds at Anub in ToC heroic, it did beat most 5-man instances I've done :P |
| 09:18.32 | koaschten | where is the challenge with 2 hunters and 2+ rogues? |
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| 09:18.35 | Kalroth | In terms of having to watch aggro as well as proper positioning |
| 09:18.59 | Kalroth | Oh our DPS had no issue catching up in terms of aggro |
| 09:19.30 | koaschten | the only challenge i recall is, that once our 4 rogue squad managed to tricks of the boss from the afk maintank because he thought he got enough threat to grab a drink during add phase .. FAIL |
| 09:19.38 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:20.20 | Kalroth | I can beat that! Our rogue squad managed to trick the boss on me during the pull |
| 09:20.26 | Kalroth | "Guys, wrong tank." |
| 09:20.28 | orionshock | when i was doing ssc, i had boss fights like that |
| 09:21.09 | orionshock | and it worked.. i tanked it and aggroed it so high + MD that i got a drink & left auto attack on and it worked fine :) |
| 09:21.30 | Kalroth | Our hunters hated to MD, so they only did it when we forced them to |
| 09:21.37 | Kalroth | (or when they used MD on healers at pull) |
| 09:21.58 | koaschten | the usual awesome moments are... disconnecting main tank -> rogues hunter -> misdirect !!! tank logs back on and is still first in threat |
| 09:22.02 | koaschten | ;) |
| 09:22.03 | orionshock | our hunters did that on trash to the rogues when they where btching |
| 09:22.32 | koaschten | that was the time when every rogue added a cancelaura misdirect into their autoattack+sinister strike macro ;) |
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| 09:22.42 | quiescens | misdirect or not it doesn't matter if they log back in quickly enough |
| 09:22.45 | Kalroth | We often had 2-3 priest angels pop during the trash pulls, since our priests would always tease the hunters |
| 09:22.58 | orionshock | lol |
| 09:23.00 | quiescens | but if they are off long enough for the character to disappear its a different story |
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| 09:31.13 | koaschten | o.O http://vimeo.com/8578344 |
| 09:31.27 | koaschten | why do i have to learn about this from the background music on the weather cast? |
| 09:32.38 | sbu | eh |
| 09:32.50 | quiescens | moo? |
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| 09:47.00 | ccKep | is it me or does wowhead appear to lag? |
| 09:47.09 | koaschten | its dead ^^ |
| 09:47.15 | ccKep | QQ |
| 09:47.42 | koaschten | i am trying to load the page for over 30 minutes noq |
| 09:48.23 | ccKep | well, just got my pages :D |
| 09:48.36 | ccKep | although it took a bit to load |
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| 10:51.59 | Repo | 10minimalist: 03whizkid 04v80 * r83 : Minimalist: - tagging as release for curse client |
| 10:52.55 | Kalroth | I'm confused |
| 10:54.06 | mitch0 | use a blessed unicorn horn |
| 10:54.37 | Kalroth | rubs his blessed .. horn? |
| 10:54.45 | Kalroth | You tricked me. |
| 10:55.12 | mitch0 | telnet nethack.alt.org :P |
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| 11:24.52 | asmodai | roars |
| 11:30.32 | koaschten | where's the beta at? |
| 11:30.35 | koaschten | hmpf |
| 11:31.41 | Adirelle|work | ckknight, you there ? |
| 11:34.35 | koaschten | looks at cloack and doesn't think so. |
| 11:35.01 | koaschten | it's 6:30 over there |
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| 11:43.20 | asmodai | what beta? |
| 11:43.30 | asmodai | gief diablo already ;) |
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| 12:15.06 | asmodai | sylvanaar_atwork: so |
| 12:15.13 | asmodai | sylvanaar_atwork: How's the tea taste? |
| 12:15.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | yum |
| 12:15.21 | asmodai | wonders who the second follower is |
| 12:16.14 | asmodai | sylvanaar_atwork: this random person started following me on steepster :| |
| 12:16.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | who |
| 12:16.39 | asmodai | TeaEqualsBliss |
| 12:16.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh me too |
| 12:16.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | TEB has like 1000 foloweres |
| 12:17.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://steepster.com/teaequalsbliss |
| 12:17.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | following 2000 peple |
| 12:18.25 | kagaro | *yawn* time to do some mpq extraction |
| 12:18.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | she has a blog |
| 12:18.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | about tea |
| 12:18.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | man this tea is good |
| 12:19.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | i mean *really* good |
| 12:20.09 | ckknight | Adirelle: what's up? |
| 12:23.40 | asmodai | sylvanaar_atwork: I *so* want one |
| 12:23.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | the one-touch? |
| 12:24.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | hard to believe there isnt a 220 version |
| 12:26.54 | Adirelle|work | ckknight, is there a possibility to pass string localization context to the localization system using lua import ? |
| 12:27.33 | ckknight | not sure what you mean |
| 12:27.53 | Adirelle|work | you can define a context associated with a string using the web UI |
| 12:28.09 | Adirelle|work | but I don't know if it is possible to and how to do this with the import ui |
| 12:28.14 | ckknight | oh |
| 12:28.20 | asmodai | sylvanaar_atwork: should email them about their plans |
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| 12:28.21 | ckknight | no, I don't believe so |
| 12:28.22 | ckknight | sorry |
| 12:30.18 | asmodai | ckknight: btw |
| 12:30.30 | asmodai | ckknight: What's Curse's involvement in stowiki? |
| 12:30.41 | ckknight | I'm not sure |
| 12:30.47 | ckknight | we either own it or we don't |
| 12:31.04 | evl | I'm looking for a decent Auctioneer tutorial, anyone know of something that's not ancient? |
| 12:31.05 | asmodai | it says: The STOWiki is part of Curse. |
| 12:31.09 | ckknight | then we own it |
| 12:31.36 | asmodai | Only thing I could figure out might be: |
| 12:31.40 | asmodai | My name is Richard and I'm the creator, owner, and system administrator of the Star Trek Online Wiki. |
| 12:32.09 | asmodai | sylvanaar_atwork: is places also for places that only sell tea (i.e. not drinking salons)? |
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| 12:37.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | i dont know |
| 12:37.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | most drinking places also sell tea |
| 12:39.04 | asmodai | This shop specialized in teas and coffees, but is not a drinking place. |
| 12:39.31 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 12:42.38 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: I bet it's friggin expensive |
| 12:42.55 | mitch0 | otherwise you won't be here preaching how exceptionally superb that tea you just bought is :) |
| 12:43.15 | mitch0 | it's just like the iPhone :) |
| 12:43.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | Ill link it |
| 12:43.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B003VPV0CS |
| 12:45.47 | mitch0 | it's measured in some nonstandard unit, can't compare |
| 12:45.52 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 12:46.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 12:47.53 | asmodai | lol |
| 12:47.55 | mitch0 | but it's probably too expensive anyway |
| 12:47.59 | asmodai | What's this oz. they mention? ;) |
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| 12:55.38 | quiescens | look what you did! |
| 12:55.45 | asmodai | oh noes |
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| 13:03.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | 6oz is nonstandard even for here. Its slightly more than 1/4 lb. which is the usual quantity that you purchase |
| 13:04.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | but that company samovar is really high-end |
| 13:04.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://samovarlife.com/ |
| 13:06.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | look at the price on this: http://shop.samovarlife.com/Hawaii_Grown_Black_Tea_p/0401habl.htm |
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| 13:11.12 | sylvanaar_atwork | $1 per gram |
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| 13:14.29 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: do you own an iPhone? |
| 13:14.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | yes |
| 13:14.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | and a pad |
| 13:14.52 | kagaro | the pad is very nice |
| 13:14.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | i love the pad |
| 13:15.07 | kagaro | ive got like 45 ebooks on it, it rocks for that |
| 13:15.10 | mitch0 | I really should switch jobs and get into some iOS coding. there're milkable ppl there :P |
| 13:15.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | you know apple's new device announcement is today |
| 13:15.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | ipod linup - apple tv and some think the new 7" ipad |
| 13:15.36 | kagaro | ya im waiting and hoping for an atv refresh mine is pretty old |
| 13:15.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | they are streaming it live to apple devices |
| 13:16.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | the new atv is supposed to cost $99 |
| 13:16.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | but...only 720p |
| 13:17.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | mitch0: i like iOS coding - but I want to do it in another language than obj-c |
| 13:17.38 | mitch0 | obj-c++ :) |
| 13:17.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | i want to give monotouch a try |
| 13:18.03 | mitch0 | besides, obj-c wasn't that bad when I last worked with it (15 years ago or so :) |
| 13:18.12 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats the point (15 years ago) |
| 13:18.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | its archaic |
| 13:18.28 | mitch0 | it works |
| 13:18.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | true |
| 13:19.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | i use it - i'd just like the option to use another language |
| 13:19.34 | mitch0 | like? |
| 13:19.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | c# |
| 13:19.40 | mitch0 | pff |
| 13:19.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | i LOVE c# |
| 13:19.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | its like crack |
| 13:20.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | especially LINQ |
| 13:20.26 | mitch0 | you also spend inordinate amounts of money on leaves |
| 13:20.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | leaves? |
| 13:21.21 | mitch0 | yes |
| 13:21.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | cocoa leaves? |
| 13:21.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | im not getting the joke |
| 13:22.01 | mitch0 | tea? |
| 13:22.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh |
| 13:22.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | haha |
| 13:22.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | i read it as "you'll also spend..." |
| 13:24.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | i have had too much this am i think....i need to drink some herbal |
| 13:25.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | on another note - are the servers still down? |
| 13:26.06 | mitch0 | I'll drink some artificial coffee instead for teh cheap |
| 13:27.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | i have the next 5 days off, i want to get my addons ready for cata, and work on my Lua IDE some more |
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| 13:30.40 | Repo | 10professions-book: 03oscarucb * r78 README.txt: update readme |
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| 13:32.32 | Repo | 10professions-book: 03oscarucb * r80 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 13:32.34 | Repo | fix tradeskill cooldown detection to work correctly when multiple skills share a cooldown (eg alchemy transmutes) |
| 13:34.25 | kagaro | im in between contracts right now so i got time to burn atm |
| 13:36.00 | Ackis | anyone have a mirror of files.wowace.com? |
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| 13:42.06 | Ackis | @project professions-book |
| 13:42.08 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/professions-book/. ProfessionsBook. Game: WoW. Anxarces (Manager/Author). Updated: 9 minutes ago. Tickets: 8/8 |
| 13:42.58 | Repo | 10professions-book: 03oscarucb * r83 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 13:43.00 | Repo | fix a phantom window overhang on the right side of the PB main window |
| 13:47.43 | Repo | 10ihml: 03Ackis 07master * v2.7-8-g245d865 IHML.lua: [+1 commit] Uncomment out some code, it was breaking dailies for the Sunwell stuff. |
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| 13:56.49 | pompy | beta servers still down? ? :O |
| 13:59.50 | kagaro | yes they are |
| 14:05.46 | Megalon | and it's all your fault |
| 14:11.42 | Humbedooh | I concur |
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| 14:19.52 | steev | bleh |
| 14:19.57 | quiescens | blah |
| 14:20.06 | steev | 4 hard mode bosses, 1 normal mode, 1 shard |
| 14:20.14 | ckknight | Torhal: you here? |
| 14:20.32 | steev | so i still need 4 more shards, and we won't be raiding monday because of the holiday |
| 14:20.37 | steev | DAMN THIS CASUAL GUILD |
| 14:20.57 | steev | i didn't know people actually took labor day off |
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| 15:08.22 | Torhal | ckknight: pong |
| 15:09.45 | quiescens | talk about latency |
| 15:10.25 | Aikar | hmm ckknight your name sounds familiar, your from 2005-2006 era too right? |
| 15:10.36 | Aikar | "vanilla" :P |
| 15:10.38 | ckknight | I have always been |
| 15:10.40 | ckknight | and always will be |
| 15:10.42 | Aikar | thought so |
| 15:10.43 | Aikar | lol |
| 15:10.49 | Megalon | he is the one that was |
| 15:10.50 | Aikar | i quit in 06, just returned. |
| 15:10.51 | Megalon | the one that is |
| 15:10.54 | Megalon | and the one that will be |
| 15:11.19 | quiescens | slaps megalon around a bit with a block of water |
| 15:11.41 | ckknight | Aikar: I made FuBar in February 2006 |
| 15:11.59 | Aikar | oh right, my fav addon :P |
| 15:12.24 | Aikar | i use to push fubar on people back in the days telling em to ditch TP lol |
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| 15:19.00 | steev | Aikar: brown nosing won't get you anywhere with him |
| 15:19.28 | Aikar | not trying to get anywhere :P |
| 15:19.36 | ckknight | flattery will get you everywhere |
| 15:20.43 | Ackis | I remember telling people that ckknight put keyloggers in his addons |
| 15:20.54 | Axodious | i remember that |
| 15:20.54 | Axodious | lol |
| 15:20.59 | Ackis | it turned out to be true :( |
| 15:21.00 | Ackis | :P |
| 15:21.11 | ckknight | Ackis: wth |
| 15:21.20 | ckknight | that's not true |
| 15:21.50 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:21.52 | Ackis | of course not |
| 15:22.04 | Ackis | you put love and puppies into your addons |
| 15:22.11 | ckknight | puppies mostly. |
| 15:24.09 | quiescens | frozen fresh |
| 15:24.33 | Aikar | has prices of cata been released |
| 15:24.37 | ckknight | freshly grated, quiescens |
| 15:26.25 | steev | Aikar: i believe its 80 for collector's edition |
| 15:26.30 | steev | all prices USD |
| 15:26.33 | Aikar | k |
| 15:26.36 | Aikar | hmm |
| 15:26.44 | steev | maybe it was 69 |
| 15:26.48 | steev | gosh i don't remember |
| 15:26.54 | Aikar | debating collectors edition lol, extra for just a pet. |
| 15:27.00 | Aikar | bah i got the money might as well |
| 15:27.07 | steev | just a pet? |
| 15:27.13 | steev | its a motherflippin deathwing |
| 15:27.18 | Aikar | lol |
| 15:27.22 | Aikar | it does look cool |
| 15:27.29 | steev | i have no idea what it looks like |
| 15:27.37 | Aikar | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/_images/features/collector/collector-6.png |
| 15:27.43 | steev | i'm boycotting the beta until i get an invite |
| 15:27.51 | Aikar | its on the site |
| 15:28.57 | Aikar | im really happy that blizzard took the time to revamp the original world |
| 15:30.33 | koaschten_ | steev not really hard to boycott something you dont have access to in the beginning? |
| 15:31.00 | Aikar | i think he means looking up/at info from the beta |
| 15:31.30 | koaschten_ | i think he exactly meant what he said. |
| 15:32.12 | Aikar | what he said taken literally doesnt make sense as you said :P |
| 15:33.38 | steev | koaschten: finally |
| 15:34.43 | Aikar | interesting beta system blizz has, forcing an app to run to collect stats instead of you submitting (lying) them yourself lol |
| 15:35.40 | koaschten | sometimes i wonder what goes on in some of the webpage designers of big sites... |
| 15:35.42 | koaschten | var axel = Math.random()+""; |
| 15:35.42 | koaschten | var a = axel * 10000000000000; |
| 15:36.09 | Aikar | wtf O.o |
| 15:36.26 | Aikar | what sites that on? |
| 15:36.42 | koaschten | apple uses that on apple.com landing page to randomize the doubleclick iframe |
| 15:36.51 | Aikar | lol... |
| 15:37.17 | koaschten | just gimme the keynote livestream site already.... |
| 15:37.22 | Aikar | why the hell did they convert it to a string |
| 15:37.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | i know right |
| 15:37.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | i cant wait |
| 15:37.57 | Aikar | give me the livestream if jobs gets assassinated, then it might be worthy to watch :P |
| 15:37.58 | starlon | how do you restart the iteration next() increments? |
| 15:38.08 | koaschten | but the place holder doesn't have a href yet... so no way :/ |
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| 15:39.47 | Aikar | whoa, booty bay is burning @.@ |
| 15:40.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | so the server is up? |
| 15:40.12 | Aikar | looking at screenshots on site lol |
| 15:42.27 | koaschten | .-. |
| 15:43.22 | Aikar | you know, considering i just came back to the game, when i was watching The Guild and they started talking about buying a Guild Hall, i thought Cata might of been adding player/Guild housing :( |
| 15:44.19 | steev | thank god they don't |
| 15:45.14 | Axodious | a guild hall is something you can get in guild wars |
| 15:45.15 | Aikar | the idea of working as a guild to raise money/materials to build a giant castle to claim as your own with things like personal shops, AH, trainers, forge etc to use instead of a main city doesnt excite you? |
| 15:45.26 | koaschten | yeah |
| 15:45.34 | koaschten | and then you bring US Mal'Ganis into the picture |
| 15:45.38 | koaschten | and start asking yourself |
| 15:45.47 | koaschten | .... do i want a friggin amount of horde castles? |
| 15:46.08 | Axodious | blue made a post about it Aikar, they said it was initially an idea they had but if they allowed it things like main cities would be ghost lands cause you could just do everything in your hall |
| 15:46.18 | Axodious | the social aspect of the game would take a huge hit |
| 15:46.29 | Axodious | hall = house |
| 15:46.39 | Aikar | not if they made it super expensive that required months of work to get :P |
| 15:46.54 | Axodious | and 6 months later when everyone has it? |
| 15:47.04 | Aikar | not all guilds are equal |
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| 15:47.17 | Aikar | or, take out the AH |
| 15:47.24 | Aikar | then people would still be in town |
| 15:47.26 | steev | Axodious: obviously, you should have to open crystals to know which path to follow before you could start the quest for it |
| 15:47.33 | steev | oops, sorry wrong game |
| 15:47.37 | Axodious | lol |
| 15:47.49 | Aikar | what game is that O.o? |
| 15:48.15 | steev | swg, you opened crystals to tell you which class/professions to master to become jedi |
| 15:48.26 | steev | but they had townhalls and shite all over the place |
| 15:48.33 | Aikar | vanguard has really nice guild halls you can get. its nice as a "Group achievement" concept |
| 15:49.17 | steev | i'm assuming there would have to be some way to differentiate between the different group halls |
| 15:49.27 | Aikar | you can decorate em and change the walls and such to your likings |
| 15:49.36 | steev | interior you mean |
| 15:49.39 | Aikar | yea |
| 15:49.51 | Aikar | theres limited guild hall plots |
| 15:50.01 | steev | from the exterior, its based on a sign somewhere that shows the guild name? like <sofa king we toded> |
| 15:50.20 | Aikar | basically theres multiple islands/sections of continents that are reserved for player housing |
| 15:50.27 | Aikar | you buy a plot and pay upkeep (rent) |
| 15:50.45 | Aikar | and you put w/e best house/hall you can afford on it |
| 15:51.02 | steev | yeah |
| 15:51.08 | steev | we used to do similar in SWG |
| 15:52.06 | Axodious | personally i think the only game that got guild halls right was ragnarok online, they had static buildings that were pvp and pve, you pvp'd to gain control of the hall and then had access to the pve stuff inside of it |
| 15:52.41 | Axodious | kinda like wg |
| 15:55.49 | steev | yeah, that works out well |
| 15:56.21 | Aikar | if a company took the world design (ie, layout, dungeons, scenery, etc) and some game concepts (Diplomacy w/ City influence based on play, Player/Guild Housing, Boats), improve upon those even furthur, then actually code the game correctly and not rush release it in a buggy state, and bring in all the pluses of WoW, it would be a really good game |
| 15:56.31 | Aikar | from Vanguard* |
| 15:56.31 | Axodious | well, the difference between it and wg was there wasn't a faction base on it |
| 15:56.41 | Axodious | it was guild vs guild |
| 15:57.29 | Axodious | and there wasn't just 1 hall, there was several each with a different pve aspect |
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| 15:58.51 | Aikar | most importantly, custom UI mods :/ |
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| 16:02.37 | Aikar | holy crap gadget is almost flooded @.@ |
| 16:02.57 | ckknight | Aikar: getting a UI mod system is hard work. |
| 16:03.19 | Aikar | i know, but im saying it should be a major requirement before a game ships |
| 16:03.33 | Aikar | the players will always do a better job than you |
| 16:03.40 | Aikar | in ui regards* |
| 16:04.05 | Aikar | everyones tastes are different, so let them tweak to their taste |
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| 16:08.07 | starlon | http://imgur.com/ihWCpl.jpg |
| 16:08.37 | steev | starlon: you on proudmoore? |
| 16:08.54 | Aikar | IGSCA?? ? |
| 16:08.56 | steev | i'd like to know how the f that guy makes em float in the air |
| 16:09.15 | steev | Aikar: igs com |
| 16:09.19 | Aikar | og |
| 16:09.22 | Aikar | oh |
| 16:09.23 | Axodious | probably just injection |
| 16:09.48 | Aikar | they dont look floating to me |
| 16:09.52 | steev | sec |
| 16:09.59 | Aikar | and wtf noones on that server? |
| 16:10.32 | Funkeh` | It's most likely detected by Warden |
| 16:10.43 | Funkeh` | but since they are al trial accounts getting banned isn't really a care |
| 16:11.06 | Aikar | figured blizz would be combatting packet injection hardcore |
| 16:11.31 | starlon | steev: Kilrogg-US |
| 16:11.39 | Aikar | but i guess anyone determined enough is still going to find the path to the function |
| 16:11.48 | steev | bah, figures he's not on now |
| 16:12.15 | steev | Funkeh`: as long as that guy sticks around |
| 16:12.26 | Aikar | we do packet injection on Final Fantasy XI (for good addons, we dont make hacks), but SE hasnt tried to stop it. but wed prolly give up if they did try to block it |
| 16:12.30 | starlon | http://imgur.com/VYtyEl.jpg |
| 16:12.34 | starlon | Here's one of them floating. |
| 16:12.48 | Funkeh` | steev, what guy? |
| 16:12.48 | starlon | It's supposed to be a heart, but some of the toons got DCd. |
| 16:12.50 | Aikar | what the hell is all those flying toasters |
| 16:13.03 | starlon | That's AfterDark |
| 16:13.08 | Aikar | whats that |
| 16:13.10 | steev | and who the hell plays at 640x360 |
| 16:13.12 | starlon | An addon |
| 16:13.19 | starlon | lol |
| 16:13.22 | Aikar | that makes random flying toasters on your screen? |
| 16:13.30 | starlon | yep |
| 16:13.38 | Aikar | why would you run that? |
| 16:13.39 | steev | reminds me of the friend of my roommate's that was over for a week |
| 16:13.42 | starlon | When you're afk it does it |
| 16:13.44 | steev | i'd watch her raid on her macbook |
| 16:13.46 | Aikar | oh |
| 16:14.02 | steev | and she'd have this tiny ass window, with dbm bars across almost the entirety |
| 16:14.24 | Aikar | i just have the spartanui spincam for afk lol.. |
| 16:14.45 | steev | i just let my toon sit, if i'm afk, i don't care |
| 16:15.02 | Aikar | oh i didnt intentionally install it, came with spartan |
| 16:15.34 | steev | yeah, im familiar with the ui |
| 16:15.38 | steev | i tried it out once upon a time |
| 16:15.44 | steev | i'm pretty much back to vanilla interface |
| 16:17.12 | steev | also, wtf to 1 piece of crawler meat selling for 93g |
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| 16:17.45 | steev | not that i'm complaining, since i'm the one that sold it |
| 16:17.50 | steev | but why would anyone pay that much |
| 16:18.21 | Aikar | yeah i just came back and boy is the economy inflated |
| 16:18.28 | Aikar | hard to know what somethings really worth |
| 16:19.17 | Aikar | ive already made prolly 500g? and im only lvl 18 |
| 16:19.45 | steev | yep |
| 16:20.12 | steev | if you're leveling any profession nowadays, you're an alt/80, no such thing as new characters |
| 16:20.24 | Aikar | im a new char >_> |
| 16:20.40 | Aikar | i feel like im the only person w/o an hierloom tho |
| 16:21.26 | Aikar | some hunter same lvl as me bragged he killed me, when i almost killed him, yet he was in like 4 hierlooms and i was in all whites |
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| 16:23.09 | steev | Aikar: yeah |
| 16:23.59 | steev | never understood the whole bragging thing in wow |
| 16:24.07 | steev | the other night i killed some druid a bunch |
| 16:24.12 | steev | then he killed me once |
| 16:24.30 | steev | i get a tell from someone, hey <druid'sname> said you just got fucking owned |
| 16:24.45 | steev | ... |
| 16:25.20 | Fisker | steev |
| 16:25.23 | Fisker | *nods* |
| 16:25.44 | steev | Fisker: i don't even know what you're nodding to |
| 16:26.45 | Fisker | because i said your name |
| 16:26.51 | steev | i see |
| 16:27.07 | Megalon | fisker is just giving head |
| 16:27.16 | Megalon | that invovles alot of nodding |
| 16:27.19 | steev | the hunter yelled at me for using Malown's Slam in ICC 25 HM yesterday |
| 16:27.35 | Aikar | anyone know if the blizzcon virtual ticket will let you watch on demand on internet? |
| 16:27.37 | steev | i still came in 5th place on Marrowgar HM damage |
| 16:27.42 | Aikar | i wouldnt be able to watch much at work |
| 16:27.47 | Aikar | or is it on a weekend |
| 16:27.51 | Fisker | are you serious Aikar ? |
| 16:28.01 | steev | Aikar: dvr that shit |
| 16:28.03 | Fisker | or by on demand do you mean "not live"? |
| 16:28.11 | Aikar | yes, not live |
| 16:28.17 | Aikar | i dont have a DVR |
| 16:28.26 | Fisker | Last Blizzcon they had streams running for like a week after it was over |
| 16:28.27 | Aikar | im too geeky for that |
| 16:29.13 | steev | too geeky for a dvr? |
| 16:29.13 | Aikar | I download all my TV Shows with Sickbeard and SAB NZBd, then watch them on XBMC on my HTPC |
| 16:29.26 | Aikar | I dont have any cable/sat |
| 16:29.28 | steev | so do that |
| 16:29.38 | steev | there were torrents of blizzcon |
| 16:30.00 | Aikar | well i was more meaning if i buy the ticket will i be able to watch it or will i be simply playing for a pet |
| 16:30.19 | Aikar | hmm its fri/sat |
| 16:30.38 | steev | i'd do it to buy a pet |
| 16:30.47 | steev | totally worth the 60 dollars or whatever |
| 16:30.51 | Aikar | 40 |
| 16:30.52 | steev | i mean i have pets out... never |
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| 16:37.24 | koaschten | were do you live? its 29 euro here, 60 dollars? seriously? |
| 16:38.07 | Fisker | i koaschten u |
| 16:38.24 | Axodious | <steev> totally worth the 60 dollars or whatever <- would be different if pets actually stayed otu when you died, zoned, flew away, etc |
| 16:38.24 | koaschten | r mom |
| 16:39.29 | Fisker | no u koaschten |
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| 16:44.42 | Aikar | is quickening a passive ability O.o? |
| 16:47.34 | Xinhuan | hits cogwheel over the head with DK's Big hammer 12 ====[] 4 Bang!!! 12 ====[] |
| 16:47.48 | koaschten | bad Xinhuan... colors |
| 16:48.00 | Xinhuan | works on a white background |
| 16:48.01 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 16:48.08 | Xinhuan | also he's not in this channel lol |
| 16:48.12 | Axodious | color strip ftw |
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| 16:54.57 | koaschten | oh really apple? Streaming video requires Safari 4 or 5 on Mac OS X Snow Leopard or Safari on iOS 3 or later. |
| 16:55.07 | koaschten | i cant view the keynote if i am not on mac os? |
| 16:55.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | or you can mess with the user agent |
| 16:55.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | im watchin' on the pad - so im just guessing |
| 16:57.53 | koaschten | i just grabbed my jesus phone and said screw you :) |
| 16:58.16 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pooze-sql-exporter/. Pooze SQL Exporter. Pooze (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 16:58.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 16:58.40 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/gaintracker/. Gain Tracker. Bethink (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 17:00.15 | koaschten | oh yes, please show me how to properly fondle a digital camera -.- they are bored showing the audience, no? |
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| 17:00.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | copyright showing....any second now |
| 17:04.12 | koaschten | augh, "i love my old building apple stores" |
| 17:04.17 | koaschten | "and here it is with people" |
| 17:04.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 17:05.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | iphone 4, .:iI -> with people . |
| 17:05.29 | steev | wut |
| 17:05.30 | koaschten | cant wait for "here is the new ipod touch ... with people" |
| 17:05.31 | koaschten | ;) |
| 17:05.33 | koaschten | http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1009qpeijrfn/event |
| 17:05.34 | koaschten | steev |
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| 17:05.48 | steev | sweet |
| 17:06.07 | steev | not only can i not watch it, i don't have speakers or a headset hooked up to this computer |
| 17:06.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | gimme iOS 4 for my pad!! |
| 17:06.14 | steev | sylvanaar_atwork: never. |
| 17:06.21 | steev | sylvanaar_atwork: you need to upgrade to the ipad 2 |
| 17:06.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | NO |
| 17:06.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | iOS, iOS iOS iOS alot of money to apple |
| 17:06.56 | koaschten | well nothing groundbreaking so far |
| 17:07.14 | steev | koaschten: nothing ever is |
| 17:07.36 | koaschten | woah 200 hundred apps per second downloaded *steve shivers* |
| 17:07.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | 6.5 billion app sales - 1/2 of them is angry birds |
| 17:07.42 | koaschten | :D |
| 17:07.55 | steev | dude, angry birds f'n rocks |
| 17:08.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | NO |
| 17:08.02 | steev | also, fruit ninja. |
| 17:08.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | it cut out |
| 17:08.08 | koaschten | woah bug fixes |
| 17:08.19 | kagaro | audio still playing but video hung |
| 17:08.20 | steev | yeah, love those change log entries |
| 17:08.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | is fruit ninja fun? |
| 17:08.26 | koaschten | ios4 bugfixesproximity, bluetooth, 3g performance |
| 17:08.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | looks like everyone went home |
| 17:08.32 | steev | its kinda fun? |
| 17:08.41 | steev | koaschten: ios4? |
| 17:08.44 | koaschten | fine on my jesus phone |
| 17:08.47 | steev | ios 4.0.3? |
| 17:08.48 | steev | or 4.1 |
| 17:08.54 | koaschten | yeah steve is anounncing an "update" to ios4 |
| 17:08.58 | koaschten | HDR photos |
| 17:08.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | wtf |
| 17:09.20 | steev | what |
| 17:09.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | my player restarted |
| 17:09.35 | steev | i'm kinda lost as to why people watch this so closely then |
| 17:09.41 | steev | he's said absolutely nothing new |
| 17:09.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | it just started |
| 17:09.52 | steev | i just wanna know if the ios update is 4.0.3, or 4.1 |
| 17:09.55 | koaschten | like... 9 minutes ago |
| 17:10.02 | koaschten | steev he didnt tell us? |
| 17:10.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | 4.1 steev |
| 17:10.11 | steev | sylvanaar_atwork: release date |
| 17:10.17 | steev | "soon" |
| 17:10.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | Soon (tm) |
| 17:10.30 | steev | see, apple is too predictable |
| 17:10.30 | koaschten | well if its apple it will go live after the keynote |
| 17:10.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | i have been running 4.1 beta for months |
| 17:10.41 | koaschten | if its blizzard its soon |
| 17:10.41 | steev | i'm goin to get me one of those fancy win7 phones |
| 17:10.50 | steev | sylvanaar_atwork: i won't pay 99 dollars to beta test |
| 17:10.58 | koaschten | they adding a multiplayer framework to iOS4 |
| 17:11.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | hes announcing gamecenter = 4.1 |
| 17:11.32 | koaschten | OH MY ACHIEVEMENTS |
| 17:11.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | ANGRY BIRDS! |
| 17:11.44 | steev | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cFh1PqXh1AQ/SKzLaDBgjyI/AAAAAAAAAE8/EI1BpNwFGss/s400/fat%2Bspandex.jpg |
| 17:11.47 | koaschten | wtf is angry birds? |
| 17:11.50 | steev | DUDE |
| 17:11.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | DUDE |
| 17:11.58 | steev | how do you not know what it is!? |
| 17:12.03 | sylvanaar_atwork | GO DOWNLOAD IT NOW |
| 17:12.07 | steev | srs |
| 17:12.19 | koaschten | i am on ios 3.0.1 and a 3g, i dont know a lot new apps :( |
| 17:12.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | gamecenter is iOS 4.1 steev so i think you are getting your wish |
| 17:13.24 | koaschten | project sword looks nice |
| 17:13.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah, but i hate those controls |
| 17:13.38 | koaschten | but i dont want to imagine how ugly it would look on my 3g |
| 17:14.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | lens flare! |
| 17:14.13 | steev | eh |
| 17:14.24 | steev | koaschten: any reason you've stayed away from 4? |
| 17:14.26 | koaschten | how should i open ... oh yeah, my boot to your face |
| 17:14.45 | koaschten | steev because i got a grandfathered in old contract that allows me to tether with a second sim ... |
| 17:14.46 | sylvanaar_atwork | you are a few seconds ahead of me |
| 17:15.07 | koaschten | and i save that sim by using 3.0.1 which allows tethering without extra contract, because they didnt disable tethering globally in 3.0.1 |
| 17:15.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | i want that game |
| 17:15.18 | steev | koaschten: i see |
| 17:15.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | uses unreal engine |
| 17:15.41 | steev | which game? that project sword thingie? |
| 17:15.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah |
| 17:15.51 | koaschten | yup 4.1 next week |
| 17:15.55 | steev | bleh |
| 17:15.59 | koaschten | ipod and iphone |
| 17:16.08 | steev | and the performance update |
| 17:16.15 | koaschten | 4.2 sneak peek |
| 17:16.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | OOOO |
| 17:16.21 | steev | does that mean i can turn searchlight or foxlight or whatever the hell its called back on |
| 17:16.24 | koaschten | "everything to ipad" |
| 17:16.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | that means its going to be beta on iPAD |
| 17:16.33 | koaschten | wireless printing |
| 17:16.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | touches himeself |
| 17:16.41 | steev | faps sylvanaar_atwork |
| 17:17.27 | steev | oh, thats what an hdr photo is |
| 17:17.29 | steev | thats kinda cool |
| 17:17.33 | steev | http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/hdr.jpg |
| 17:17.34 | koaschten | "how simple printing can be" |
| 17:17.37 | steev | and look, its from 2007 |
| 17:17.43 | steev | apple is on teh bleeding edge |
| 17:17.53 | koaschten | for a phone device, yes they are steev :) |
| 17:18.05 | koaschten | stream audio, video, photo over wifi |
| 17:18.12 | steev | gasp |
| 17:18.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | WTB 4.2 beta |
| 17:18.29 | steev | over wifi? srs? |
| 17:18.40 | steev | i cant' do that currently |
| 17:18.43 | steev | that is AWESOME |
| 17:19.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | can he say multitask anymore |
| 17:19.48 | koaschten | oh wow folders on ipad ! |
| 17:20.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | ios4 on ipad |
| 17:20.03 | koaschten | 4.2 in nov |
| 17:20.13 | koaschten | for all 3 i-devices |
| 17:20.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah, but when is the beta |
| 17:20.46 | sylvanaar_atwork | i can hook ya up |
| 17:21.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | ok, so i dont care about ipods |
| 17:21.09 | koaschten | so, if he now tells us that they ran out of iphone 4 stock to re-do the antenna and i can get one now in less than 9 weeks, please? |
| 17:21.40 | koaschten | all ipods got a new design |
| 17:22.52 | koaschten | shuffle now with buttons and voice over and playlist and smaller |
| 17:23.03 | koaschten | "double thumb sized" |
| 17:23.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | wow thats small |
| 17:23.27 | koaschten | it literally looks like a big fat stamp ^^ |
| 17:24.00 | sbu | wtf, servers still down? |
| 17:24.02 | koaschten | 15 hours of music |
| 17:24.05 | koaschten | yup sbu |
| 17:24.09 | koaschten | 49 dollars |
| 17:24.14 | koaschten | 15 hours of music |
| 17:24.17 | koaschten | the new ipod shuffle |
| 17:24.26 | sbu | wgat? |
| 17:24.29 | koaschten | http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1009qpeijrfn/event |
| 17:24.39 | koaschten | next up, the new nano |
| 17:25.23 | koaschten | nano -> no click wheel -> multitouch screen |
| 17:25.46 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats awesome |
| 17:25.56 | koaschten | now with clip too |
| 17:25.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | its like a 1/4 ipod touch |
| 17:26.37 | koaschten | fm radio, voiceover, hard volume buttons |
| 17:26.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | nike+ |
| 17:26.51 | koaschten | it looks like a friggin micro ipod touch :D |
| 17:27.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | its an ipod touch... |
| 17:27.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | yrsh |
| 17:27.19 | ckknight | it's an iPad micro |
| 17:27.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | wheres the app store |
| 17:27.37 | koaschten | he got one for demmoooooo |
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| 17:28.19 | koaschten | genius on the nanoooo |
| 17:29.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | im guessing $99 |
| 17:29.46 | koaschten | rotating the screen with double taaaaab |
| 17:30.24 | koaschten | he called it an ipod touch :D |
| 17:30.49 | Aikar | wait... looking at this talent point calculator link earlier, max of 41 points O.o? do you stop earning talent points? note i havent played over 60, quit before TBC.. |
| 17:31.08 | koaschten | 150 and 180 dollar |
| 17:31.13 | koaschten | for 8 and 16gb |
| 17:31.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | spensisive |
| 17:32.03 | koaschten | ipod touch is the nr mobile game console |
| 17:32.10 | koaschten | it outsells nintendo and sony COMBINED |
| 17:33.00 | koaschten | ipod touch -> thiner and more beautiful |
| 17:33.05 | sbu | aeh |
| 17:33.07 | sbu | how sick is this |
| 17:33.10 | sbu | stream only running on mac |
| 17:33.17 | sztanpet | wtf is this liveblog |
| 17:33.18 | sbu | goodbye apple, i finally hate you |
| 17:33.25 | koaschten | retina display |
| 17:33.34 | koaschten | get a jesus phone or just install quicktime |
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| 17:33.36 | koaschten | ;) |
| 17:33.55 | koaschten | a4 chip as in the iphone 4 |
| 17:34.00 | koaschten | 3 axis gyro |
| 17:34.00 | sbu | errr no, i dont want to watch it on my phone :p |
| 17:34.03 | koaschten | ios4.1 |
| 17:34.13 | koaschten | facetime and front cam |
| 17:34.17 | koaschten | and hd video recording |
| 17:34.18 | sztanpet | watch the restream on gizmodo |
| 17:34.29 | Aikar | koaschten: which jesus phone you mean? EVO? Droid X? Droid 2? |
| 17:34.42 | koaschten | there is only one jesus phone ;) |
| 17:34.46 | sbu | sztanpet: no, if apple sucks that much - i dont care about stream content :p |
| 17:34.47 | Aikar | EVO :P |
| 17:35.02 | Aikar | even though the EPIC is looking like its got nicer hardware |
| 17:35.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | where is the 7" ipad |
| 17:35.30 | koaschten | 8gb 229, 32gb 299 64gb 399 |
| 17:35.49 | koaschten | all available, Next week, preorder NOW |
| 17:35.58 | sztanpet | koaschten you realize that anybody who cares about this will be looking at the liveblogging sites right |
| 17:36.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | 7" ipad....come on..... |
| 17:36.16 | koaschten | sztanpet feel free to ignore me :) |
| 17:36.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | ads? |
| 17:36.35 | Aikar | 7" is still too big to fit in a pocket isnt it |
| 17:37.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | i want that sword gamew |
| 17:37.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | they need chatroulette for facetime |
| 17:39.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | itunes 10 |
| 17:40.00 | Aikar | i could do chatroullete on my evo |
| 17:41.40 | koaschten | omg |
| 17:41.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | ping |
| 17:41.44 | koaschten | another company doing it |
| 17:41.53 | koaschten | itunes meets twitter and facebook .> ping |
| 17:43.32 | koaschten | the highlightinh is getting a bit excessive, no? |
| 17:43.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | can i link it to my realid! |
| 17:44.33 | koaschten | oh wait |
| 17:44.46 | koaschten | you can say you want to approve who can follow you |
| 17:44.54 | koaschten | steve knows privacy settings ! |
| 17:45.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | he needs to move on |
| 17:45.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | i totally dont care about another social network |
| 17:45.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | immediately? d/l link for itunes 10? |
| 17:47.41 | koaschten | all say hi to katy |
| 17:48.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | lady gaga - does he really like her |
| 17:48.26 | Niv | she makes him a lot of money |
| 17:48.27 | koaschten | whatever they do, me stream is stuttering the first time |
| 17:48.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah |
| 17:48.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | mine too |
| 17:48.36 | Fisker | wait for the fucking moorestown |
| 17:48.38 | Niv | mine did too, but it was probably not the actual stream |
| 17:49.05 | koaschten | Niv probably live mixing on an itab with imovie *cough* |
| 17:49.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh can we follow him? |
| 17:49.06 | kagaro | i think it was the stream it stuttered for me as well |
| 17:49.40 | Fisker | moorestown > iPhone |
| 17:49.45 | Fisker | and moorestown isn't even a phone |
| 17:50.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | fisker < ping |
| 17:50.20 | koaschten | ping on iphone, ipod touch |
| 17:50.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | today...when |
| 17:50.54 | koaschten | now |
| 17:51.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | lnik |
| 17:51.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | link |
| 17:51.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | atv |
| 17:51.47 | koaschten | stream dead? |
| 17:51.52 | kagaro | no |
| 17:51.57 | koaschten | i see the intro |
| 17:52.07 | koaschten | right when he started about apple tv |
| 17:52.23 | Fisker | a |
| 17:52.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | they want HD |
| 17:52.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | 720p or 1080p...still dont know |
| 17:53.27 | koaschten | ppl dont want to manage storage |
| 17:53.33 | koaschten | hmm that might be interesting |
| 17:53.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | im seeing clouds |
| 17:53.49 | koaschten | people dont want syncing |
| 17:53.52 | koaschten | doesnt work for the cloud |
| 17:53.54 | kagaro | as long as it can stream form other itunes machines |
| 17:54.09 | koaschten | quarter size apple tv |
| 17:54.11 | koaschten | o.O |
| 17:54.12 | kagaro | holy crap thats small |
| 17:54.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | holy crap |
| 17:54.39 | koaschten | reminds me of the western digital hd tv |
| 17:54.50 | koaschten | power hdmi ethernet |
| 17:54.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | you could tape it to the back of your tv |
| 17:54.54 | koaschten | wifi |
| 17:55.17 | koaschten | again stream gone |
| 17:55.18 | koaschten | wtf |
| 17:55.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | all rentals |
| 17:55.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | no purchases |
| 17:55.46 | sylvanaar_atwork | no storage |
| 17:56.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | streaming |
| 17:56.06 | koaschten | multiple times renting still cheaper than buying |
| 17:56.10 | koaschten | thats some big words steve |
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| 17:56.27 | kagaro | well waiting for price of rentals |
| 17:56.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | $4.99 |
| 17:56.59 | koaschten | on dvd release date they are 4.99 |
| 17:57.00 | Niv | too high |
| 17:57.03 | koaschten | the later the cheaper |
| 17:57.04 | kagaro | thats first run |
| 17:57.06 | Niv | I'll have watched it |
| 17:57.08 | Niv | in 1080p |
| 17:57.10 | Niv | a week before |
| 17:57.20 | kagaro | $0.99 for a tv show |
| 17:57.36 | Niv | too high |
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| 17:57.46 | koaschten | abc and fox in sofar |
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| 17:58.03 | Megalon | so i can watch glenn beck whenever i want |
| 17:58.06 | Megalon | aaaaaaaawesum |
| 17:58.07 | koaschten | netflix client |
| 17:58.09 | kagaro | ohh hell ya netflix on atv |
| 17:58.22 | koaschten | youtube, who expected that |
| 17:58.45 | koaschten | and stream of your computer (tool not named) |
| 17:59.07 | Niv | my revo still wins |
| 17:59.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | evo? |
| 17:59.51 | Niv | acer aspire revo |
| 17:59.52 | koaschten | i am still pondering if i should get a revo or build a full blown htpc on i3 h55 base |
| 17:59.54 | Niv | nettop |
| 18:00.29 | koaschten | stream stuttering agaaaain |
| 18:00.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | mine too |
| 18:00.37 | Niv | it's not the stream |
| 18:00.40 | Niv | it's the video feed |
| 18:00.46 | Niv | I'm delayed like 15 seconds behind you |
| 18:00.52 | Aikar | my video is ok, audio has been stuttered 24/7 for me |
| 18:01.25 | Aikar | so this atv is going into htpc market, ill stick with my XBMC with a PC i can browse web on lol |
| 18:01.47 | kagaro | this tuttering is horrible |
| 18:01.48 | koaschten | its definitly the stream, i am seeing spikes like mad on the bandwidth meter on my router |
| 18:01.50 | Niv | I'm loving my revo, as soon as netflix gets GPU offloading working with the new silverlight, it'll do everything for me |
| 18:02.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | ah it caches the stream |
| 18:02.41 | koaschten | yeah if i start the stream new, it works fine |
| 18:02.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | wtf |
| 18:02.58 | Niv | it just resolved |
| 18:02.59 | Niv | ;P |
| 18:03.10 | koaschten | still no word on 720 or 1080 ? |
| 18:03.14 | Aikar | yeah those mini itx are great for htpc for storing files on network on other pcs |
| 18:03.35 | Niv | I have 13TB of storage in my rack in the garage |
| 18:03.44 | koaschten | haha niv |
| 18:03.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats alot of porn |
| 18:03.55 | Niv | I've only used a couple TB :P |
| 18:03.56 | kagaro | ive got 13TB as well niv |
| 18:04.05 | Aikar | but i got a bigger full fledged desktop htpc case, http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs150.snc4/36854_456030531280_589866280_6319698_2921048_n.jpg |
| 18:04.12 | sylvanaar_atwork | i hate glee |
| 18:04.19 | Niv | I've never seen glee |
| 18:04.26 | sylvanaar_atwork | it eats babies |
| 18:04.49 | Niv | "for free" |
| 18:04.53 | Niv | sans the $9.99 a month |
| 18:04.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | streams netflix - what doesnts |
| 18:05.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | my cat streams netflix |
| 18:05.06 | Niv | haha |
| 18:05.09 | Niv | my revo won't do HD |
| 18:05.15 | Niv | GPU offloading go |
| 18:05.27 | Niv | silverlight supports it |
| 18:05.32 | Niv | they just have to enable it |
| 18:05.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | god dont show us your vacation pics |
| 18:05.46 | Aikar | oh those arnt powerful enough for hd O.o? |
| 18:05.54 | Niv | it's an atom |
| 18:06.00 | Niv | nvidia ion |
| 18:06.03 | Aikar | my htpc build costed about 550$ |
| 18:06.06 | koaschten | atom isnt enough without the 9400 ion doing the heavy lifting |
| 18:06.12 | Niv | yep |
| 18:06.18 | Aikar | how much did revo cost |
| 18:06.19 | Niv | anything that offloads works great though |
| 18:06.21 | Niv | $330 |
| 18:06.22 | koaschten | 299 |
| 18:06.31 | Niv | for the dual core |
| 18:06.37 | Aikar | http://tinyurl.com/aikarhtpc |
| 18:06.54 | Aikar | case was most expensive part lol |
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| 18:07.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | i have up on my ipad too |
| 18:07.06 | koaschten | streaming from ipad to atv |
| 18:07.07 | koaschten | hrhr |
| 18:07.14 | Niv | there are lots of ways to get it done |
| 18:07.16 | Aikar | the video card sucks tho, wish i got nvidia |
| 18:07.52 | Niv | you'd be a fool to get anything else atm |
| 18:08.08 | koaschten | yeah thats what i am looking for basically Aikar just with an i3 on a h55 board with ION |
| 18:08.16 | Niv | anyway, mkvs are 95% of what I watch |
| 18:08.25 | Niv | and 1080p works smooth as hell w/ them |
| 18:08.25 | koaschten | or go i5 with q57 for vPro and iATM |
| 18:08.42 | Aikar | that vid card on my build wont even fill my entire 42" TV |
| 18:08.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | $99 for atv |
| 18:08.46 | koaschten | 99 apple tv |
| 18:08.48 | koaschten | ok |
| 18:08.59 | koaschten | thats nifty even as a pure stream from my big box connector |
| 18:09.08 | Niv | it won't stream anything itunes won't play |
| 18:09.09 | koaschten | pre-order now, get in 4 weeks |
| 18:09.11 | Niv | no 3rd party codecs |
| 18:09.19 | Niv | aka useless! |
| 18:10.01 | kagaro | what codecs you want niv? |
| 18:10.19 | Niv | mkv/h264, dts/dds |
| 18:10.25 | Niv | divx/xvid |
| 18:10.30 | kagaro | mkv is a container format not a codec |
| 18:10.37 | Niv | which is why I said h264 :P |
| 18:10.42 | Niv | containers matter |
| 18:10.49 | Niv | without a splitter, it's useless |
| 18:12.31 | kagaro | me i just change the containers and its fine |
| 18:12.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | musical interlude incoming |
| 18:12.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | coldplay |
| 18:12.49 | Aikar | i like my xbmc it plays everything :p |
| 18:12.54 | Niv | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.04 | Niv | although, boxee is really close to taking over XBMC for me |
| 18:13.11 | Niv | they just need some cleanup on the library updates really |
| 18:13.51 | Aikar | yeah boxee is doing a good job, but i dont do any streaming at all |
| 18:14.02 | Aikar | im more of dl and watch later, so xbmc is perfect |
| 18:14.03 | Niv | I didn't do much before, but I'm starting to |
| 18:14.07 | Niv | yea, same |
| 18:14.17 | Niv | but the fact that you can just open a show on a whim |
| 18:14.21 | Aikar | boxee really seems to mainly be its own custom skinned XBMC with extra streaming features added in |
| 18:14.22 | Niv | and browse to the episode |
| 18:14.26 | Niv | and boom, instant streaming |
| 18:15.05 | Niv | wow he sounds horrible live |
| 18:15.37 | Repo | 10realid-toons: 03Starinnia * r61 Options.lua: -fix Show Note option title not displaying |
| 18:15.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | falsetto |
| 18:17.05 | Aikar | the sad thing is, main stream consumers (ie apple product buyers) dont even know about the concept of an HTPC, so apple rolling out ATV they are going to think its something amazingly new. but stuff like boxee which is still super user friendly wont get any credit |
| 18:17.39 | Aikar | i can understand people prefering ATV over XBMC, as XBMC isnt something you buy from a store and turn it on |
| 18:17.42 | Niv | I have an appletv, the first gen |
| 18:17.45 | Niv | it's not very useful |
| 18:18.09 | Niv | the revo was a nice option, it was nearly plug and play |
| 18:18.38 | Aikar | it came with xbmc? |
| 18:18.47 | Niv | all I had to do was install it |
| 18:18.48 | Niv | :P |
| 18:18.56 | Niv | it come swith mediacenter/win7 |
| 18:19.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | wow hes bad live |
| 18:19.00 | Aikar | well true same for most cases lol |
| 18:19.03 | Niv | which is useless |
| 18:19.09 | Niv | sylvanaar_atwork: yep |
| 18:19.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | i hope the stream cuts out |
| 18:19.25 | Niv | it is |
| 18:19.26 | Niv | haha |
| 18:19.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 18:19.59 | Aikar | i prefer being on windows for web browsing/apps, and xbmc is more stable on it. i tried the live boot originally for XBMC on ubuntu mini but it ran horribly |
| 18:20.02 | Aikar | so buggy |
| 18:20.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | itunes 10 downloadable now |
| 18:20.29 | Niv | it gets 9.2.1 |
| 18:20.30 | Niv | lol |
| 18:20.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | you sure |
| 18:21.02 | Niv | yea, I just tried it |
| 18:21.05 | Niv | (for mac) |
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| 18:21.28 | Niv | the last thing to work out with my revo, is to get my ps3 dvd remote a bit more responsive |
| 18:21.33 | koaschten | hmm a lot of fat fingering there on the piano, but at least its LIVE :) |
| 18:21.35 | Niv | it needs like 250ms less delay between keystrokes |
| 18:21.44 | Niv | koaschten: his singing is terrible too |
| 18:21.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | he has missed a few notes yeah |
| 18:22.10 | koaschten | but really i appreciate live like that more than a playback |
| 18:22.22 | koaschten | it just shows so much who really knows what he/she is doing |
| 18:24.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | i minor |
| 18:43.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | k fruit ninja is fun |
| 18:43.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | i went ahead and bought it |
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| 18:47.41 | DWSR | iTunes. *shudder* |
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| 18:54.53 | kagaro | hey nev dd you update your git for framexml from latest patch? |
| 18:55.11 | steev | >< |
| 18:55.15 | nevcairiel | didnt finish the silly download yet |
| 18:55.21 | kagaro | ahh |
| 18:55.27 | steev | want to stab the contractors |
| 18:56.19 | Megalon | this patch had a nice download speed for me, previous ones seemed to not get above 300kb/s :o |
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| 18:59.58 | nevcairiel | i'm not getting above 100 right now |
| 19:00.10 | kagaro | i left mine to run overnight |
| 19:00.25 | nevcairiel | patch wasnt out when i went to sleep last night :p |
| 19:00.35 | nevcairiel | i'll let it run this night if it doesnt finish in the next 2 hours |
| 19:00.47 | nevcairiel | and upload to git tomorrow morning before i leave |
| 19:01.46 | orionshock | does the addon kit work with the beta yet? |
| 19:02.05 | nevcairiel | don't think htere is a new one yet |
| 19:02.29 | orionshock | just tried it and it seemed to work just fine.. |
| 19:02.39 | nevcairiel | gives you old data |
| 19:04.33 | orionshock | thats annoying |
| 19:13.46 | orionshock | anyone know what the new gxAPI is? |
| 19:14.25 | orionshock | cuz SET gxAPI "OpenGL" isn't working |
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| 19:17.00 | Aikar | directx11? |
| 19:17.08 | vhaarr | I got full 1.3mb/s speed on cata patch |
| 19:17.17 | vhaarr | which is really unusual for me |
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| 19:17.32 | Aikar | orionshock: SET gxApi "d3d11" |
| 19:17.55 | orionshock | on linux here |
| 19:17.58 | Aikar | oh |
| 19:18.05 | kagaro | beta back up ? |
| 19:18.06 | Aikar | try lowercase? |
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| 19:21.09 | nevcairiel | orionshock: run it with -opengl? :d |
| 19:22.17 | sbu | vhaarr: i got full 9.5mb/s, so yes, they improved the launcher/downloader somehow |
| 19:22.26 | nevcairiel | i get 50kb/s |
| 19:22.29 | nevcairiel | mine still sucks |
| 19:22.50 | sbu | KDG? :p |
| 19:22.58 | sbu | then go play with koaschten ;) |
| 19:23.00 | nevcairiel | nop, telekom |
| 19:23.09 | nevcairiel | i'm not limited or anything |
| 19:23.09 | sbu | hmmmm |
| 19:23.17 | sbu | broken upnp/forwarding? |
| 19:23.22 | koaschten | diaf sbu |
| 19:23.30 | nevcairiel | i setup all forwardings manually just to be sure |
| 19:23.37 | steev | question, if you do 'include "filename.php"' in a php file (inside the whole <php block) does the file that is inside "" have to be in the directory the file doing the inclusion is in? |
| 19:23.54 | nevcairiel | anyhow, i'll setup my comp on the weekend in the new apartment, with a new net line |
| 19:23.59 | nevcairiel | maybe it'll be better there =p |
| 19:24.07 | sbu | koaschten :( |
| 19:26.53 | Megalon | steev: i think it searches all possibilities in the order they are listed in include_path |
| 19:27.17 | sbu | yup, include_path |
| 19:27.50 | Megalon | and it should have '.' for the current directory as the first position where it searches |
| 19:28.16 | nevcairiel | stupid downloader is still eating up all upload and limiting itself, so much for improving it :p |
| 19:28.54 | Megalon | weird nev, this is the first time the downloader did not completely wreck everything else that tried to do something while it was leeching |
| 19:29.49 | nevcairiel | restarting it 5 times made it go all funny |
| 19:29.56 | nevcairiel | at first it was done with the red part |
| 19:30.17 | nevcairiel | now red is a few hundred mbs, yellow some more, and green is 0 :P |
| 19:34.29 | steev | Megalon: thanks, i think they forgot to edit the mysql database ip |
| 19:34.37 | koaschten | beta servers up yet? |
| 19:35.05 | sbu | not like 10 minutes ago |
| 19:35.11 | sbu | check blueposts .) |
| 19:35.21 | koaschten | fine fine, then i am just going to download beta on the 2nd box :D |
| 19:35.34 | koaschten | haha 20kb/s |
| 19:35.45 | sbu | errr, network, copy, ...!?!?!? :p |
| 19:36.19 | koaschten | errr meant to say that |
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| 19:37.03 | nevcairiel | at that speed i could burn it on a dvd and drive up to you :p |
| 19:37.55 | Megalon | even i could do that i think :P |
| 19:39.19 | arkanes_ | carload of dvds is a very high bandwidth channel! |
| 19:39.28 | nevcairiel | its an hour drive for me |
| 19:39.34 | nevcairiel | so not that bad ;) |
| 19:39.36 | arkanes_ | the latency is the killer |
| 19:40.00 | sbu | giev servers already :o |
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| 19:43.33 | orionshock | so auth servers still down? |
| 19:50.43 | Humbedooh | some work, some don't |
| 19:53.21 | Megalon | some hate you, some don't like you |
| 19:53.53 | sbu | some Fiskers fisker, some don't |
| 19:54.33 | Pneumatus | so, i heard mmochamp is uber reliable now its on curse's network |
| 19:54.33 | Megalon | i'd say all Fiskers fisker |
| 19:54.34 | Pneumatus | oh wait |
| 19:54.44 | sbu | its maintenance! :p |
| 19:54.52 | sbu | oh, bad gateway |
| 19:54.53 | sbu | thats new |
| 19:54.56 | Pneumatus | the best part is when it keeps loading up new versions of the page |
| 19:55.01 | Pneumatus | continually expanding |
| 19:55.03 | Adys | If there's any git user around, the git devs published a survey on its usability, design, future features and all. takes 10 mins to fill. https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitSurvey2010 |
| 19:55.04 | Pneumatus | under each other |
| 19:55.40 | steev | heh, usability |
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| 20:10.53 | sbu | mhh http://twitter.com/BlizzardCS |
| 20:11.48 | Megalon | "providing constant updates during Tuesday’s maintenance" |
| 20:12.06 | Megalon | "maintenance is expanded by another 2 hours"? ;x |
| 20:13.37 | sbu | :P |
| 20:14.46 | Megalon | now they only need to add a twitterclient to the loginscreen :p |
| 20:15.49 | Aikar | wow lol... you guys see this guys manifesto for the hostage situation? |
| 20:15.54 | Aikar | this is pretty... epic |
| 20:16.05 | sbu | what? |
| 20:16.08 | Aikar | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wRb2N5UYIwAJ:www.savetheplanetprotest.com/+save+the+planet+protest&cd=1&hl=no&ct=clnk&gl=no&client=firefox-a |
| 20:16.33 | Aikar | Discovery Channel HQ is currently in a hostage situation, and this guys demanding the world kill itself |
| 20:16.45 | Aikar | "humans are disgusting parasites" |
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| 20:22.55 | Funkeh` | err |
| 20:23.02 | Funkeh` | some people need new brains |
| 20:23.21 | Funkeh` | or rather, many people do |
| 20:24.18 | Ackis | so do zombies |
| 20:25.23 | Megalon | http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/1511/brains.png :p |
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| 20:42.47 | Megalon | are cata servers still down? :C |
| 20:43.24 | sbu | no blue post *shrug* |
| 20:44.14 | Megalon | seems like they are only down for eu |
| 20:46.13 | kagaro | down for us |
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| 20:47.34 | Megalon | weird, technical support forum is full of people |
| 20:47.41 | Megalon | complaining about ingame stuff :x |
| 20:47.54 | sbu | link |
| 20:48.00 | kagaro | dunno my char is on us battlenet and when i try to login i get no servers |
| 20:48.24 | Megalon | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=7573590&sid=2000 |
| 20:48.51 | sbu | i cant see ingame stuff |
| 20:48.51 | Megalon | alot of threads with 0 replies |
| 20:48.55 | sbu | its "launcher", launcher"; launcher" :p |
| 20:49.07 | arkanes_ | "The document, which appears to have been created on July 17, is interspersed with references to esoteric philosophers, childish language, misspellings, and capital letters." |
| 20:49.13 | arkanes_ | that sounds like the internet alright |
| 20:49.46 | Megalon | well, crashing in dalaran |
| 20:49.53 | Megalon | getting error 0 when killing zombies in tirisfal |
| 20:49.59 | Megalon | and crashing when under water |
| 20:50.04 | Megalon | sounds like ingame stuff to me |
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| 20:50.19 | kagaro | they havent updated the maint thread yet to say its done |
| 20:50.33 | sbu | Megalon: errr, its 8/31, isnt it? :P |
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| 20:51.34 | Megalon | hm, all thread got that red icon for me, thought that meant they are all from today ;c |
| 20:51.48 | kagaro | red == unread |
| 20:53.08 | Megalon | :< |
| 20:53.37 | Niv | Megalon: intel graphics card? |
| 20:53.56 | Megalon | what? :c |
| 20:54.06 | Niv | oh, you're talking about other folks |
| 20:55.05 | orionshock | ok, so when did demo shout stop generating agro for druids? |
| 20:56.15 | Niv | it generates 100 |
| 20:56.16 | Niv | threat |
| 20:56.33 | Niv | divided by # of targets maybe? not sure |
| 20:56.39 | orionshock | no... |
| 20:56.47 | orionshock | it seemingly generates no threat. |
| 20:57.17 | Niv | all spell casts generate 100 threat afaik? |
| 20:57.45 | Niv | I'm sure you could track down satrina's research and verify |
| 20:58.08 | orionshock | just in UP doing the guantlet. mobs run by me & i demo shout (they have no one else on threat but proxy) and they don;t stop at all, they keep running for the mage |
| 20:58.21 | Niv | is he casting? |
| 20:58.31 | Niv | mana regen from mage armor maybe? |
| 20:59.19 | orionshock | in SSC trash i could DemoShout and Swipe and hold agro no problems |
| 20:59.31 | orionshock | on 3 or 4 mobs, but it's not working anymore |
| 20:59.49 | Niv | shouts generated more threat once upon a time |
| 20:59.52 | Niv | but that's been long gone |
| 20:59.56 | Niv | I thought even before SSC |
| 21:00.23 | Niv | but as a druid, swipe spam should pick up everything easily enough, you still probably need to tab maul to hold against full on aoe dps |
| 21:01.57 | orionshock | my other problem is that i don't tank vs aoe dps, i don't like idiots who aoe dps, and the biggest thing i hate is when dps think that standing next to the tank and dps'ing before me works. |
| 21:02.50 | Niv | hehe |
| 21:02.51 | Niv | well |
| 21:02.54 | Niv | welcome to wrath tanking |
| 21:02.56 | Niv | everything is aoe'd |
| 21:03.08 | Niv | deal with it, or go dps |
| 21:03.34 | Niv | bring a rogue with you to smooth things out ;) |
| 21:03.54 | orionshock | no, ima gonna let the rogue and mage and lock die |
| 21:04.09 | orionshock | when they ask why, i tell em "L2Aggro Management" |
| 21:04.30 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r122 / (3 files in 1 directory): - some brackets cleanup |
| 21:04.31 | Niv | and then they will vote kick you |
| 21:04.31 | Repo | - this should fix '%s' in achievements |
| 21:04.32 | Repo | - real id whispers are now supported |
| 21:04.44 | Niv | the rogue should just tricks/FoK you |
| 21:04.45 | orionshock | Niv, why? |
| 21:04.48 | orionshock | AoE Tanking is crap |
| 21:04.49 | Niv | but it's a pug |
| 21:04.53 | Niv | hehe |
| 21:05.04 | Niv | did you just start tanking or something? |
| 21:05.07 | orionshock | do u know why they started using AoE Tanking? |
| 21:05.17 | Niv | they are gutting aoe tanking for cata |
| 21:05.19 | Niv | and dps |
| 21:05.23 | Niv | until then, that's the game |
| 21:05.23 | orionshock | because Pallys in BC wanted to tank, so Hyjal was invented |
| 21:05.26 | arkanes_ | what do you mean "they" |
| 21:05.27 | Niv | unless it's a raid boss, you're aoe tanking |
| 21:05.31 | arkanes_ | no, that is utter nonsense |
| 21:05.39 | arkanes_ | there's been aoe tank encounters from the very beginning |
| 21:06.03 | orionshock | arkanes, orly? i can only count about 4 of them tbh |
| 21:06.12 | Niv | there have been a few |
| 21:06.17 | arkanes_ | you don't get much more very beginning that UBRS |
| 21:06.20 | Niv | some of which you used shout spam to get aggro |
| 21:06.22 | arkanes_ | *than |
| 21:06.34 | arkanes_ | also there's been at least 1 in every single raid instance |
| 21:06.39 | arkanes_ | from MC onward |
| 21:06.45 | Niv | garr? |
| 21:06.49 | orionshock | nearly all pulls up untill hyjal where designed with CC in mind and 9/10 had to be executed with it and 5 - 7 tanks |
| 21:06.54 | arkanes_ | garr partially |
| 21:06.57 | Niv | razorgore was more kiting, is that what you're thinking? |
| 21:07.00 | Niv | or nef |
| 21:07.08 | arkanes_ | imp and core hound packs more particularly |
| 21:07.17 | Niv | well, are we talking about trash or bosses |
| 21:07.19 | arkanes_ | and yes nef |
| 21:07.20 | orionshock | arkanes, no garr done right had no more than 2 adds to a tank, and the rest where solo tanked or CC |
| 21:07.21 | arkanes_ | both |
| 21:07.33 | Niv | orion is right on garr |
| 21:07.38 | arkanes_ | yes I know, thats why I said partially |
| 21:07.52 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.54 | Niv | ZG/AQ20 had some |
| 21:07.59 | arkanes_ | according to who? |
| 21:08.01 | Niv | trying to remember if there was anything in AQ40 |
| 21:08.04 | orionshock | a great warrior with TF could AoE Tank Nef adds |
| 21:08.18 | Niv | anyway |
| 21:08.22 | Niv | aoe tanking as it was, was fine |
| 21:08.26 | arkanes_ | its still fine |
| 21:08.26 | Niv | but the skill level was too high |
| 21:08.33 | arkanes_ | the fact that you don't want to do it isn't anyones problem but yours |
| 21:08.33 | Niv | so they reacted to it strongly w/ wrath |
| 21:08.37 | Niv | so everything is aoe tanked |
| 21:08.57 | Niv | it's boring as shit that everything is aoe tanked now |
| 21:09.02 | Repo | 10tps: 03stolenlegacy * r5 TPS.lua: fixed another issue with updating. |
| 21:09.02 | Niv | but that's the fastest way through |
| 21:09.10 | Niv | so hate it all you like, that's the current game |
| 21:09.11 | arkanes_ | the wrath reaction had less to do with liking aoe tanking as with not liking CC |
| 21:09.13 | orionshock | aoe tanking is stupid mode and it's overused. it takes the skill out of the game, takes the fun out. |
| 21:09.20 | arkanes_ | well quit playing then |
| 21:09.41 | Niv | unfortunatly they are only reintroducing the need for CC |
| 21:09.46 | Niv | not really any skill required on the tank side |
| 21:09.47 | SunTsu | orionshock: Well, what skill is needed anyway if there is no danger? |
| 21:09.53 | arkanes_ | and as a tank, I'm not sure how aoe tanking is doing anything to reduce your skillcap |
| 21:09.59 | Niv | SunTsu: the literal ability to hold the mobs to you |
| 21:10.02 | arkanes_ | its not like you're going to be CCing anything |
| 21:10.19 | Niv | doing things like heroic shattered halls as a warrior in TBC |
| 21:10.20 | Niv | was very hard |
| 21:10.26 | Niv | you didn't have abilities that hit more than 2 mobs |
| 21:10.38 | Niv | druid swipe was 3 targetsr? |
| 21:10.46 | Niv | dks didn't exist |
| 21:10.57 | Niv | and we brought protadins to make hyjal a snooze |
| 21:11.02 | SunTsu | Niv: orionshock said it took the skill out, and I don't know what skill is taken out, because there is no skill needed, because there is no danger |
| 21:11.05 | Niv | you were perfectly able to do it without them |
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| 21:11.07 | arkanes_ | even paladin AOE was only strong relative to the other tanks |
| 21:11.16 | Niv | SunTsu: because it's not all about survival and CC |
| 21:11.24 | Niv | SunTsu: there was control required that took skill |
| 21:11.28 | Niv | SunTsu: that is gone |
| 21:11.44 | orionshock | SunTsu, it takes a degree of attention and method to CC a 5mob pull |
| 21:11.46 | SunTsu | Niv: yeah, but not be using AoE tanking |
| 21:11.47 | Niv | paladin tanks in hyjal could basically tank the entire pack against full out aoe |
| 21:12.00 | arkanes_ | not even close |
| 21:12.07 | Niv | maybe yours sucked |
| 21:12.08 | arkanes_ | at least not without a substantial threat lead |
| 21:12.20 | arkanes_ | they got that lead during the single target period |
| 21:12.24 | orionshock | but that was back in the day where a tank at level couldn't really withstand 3 mobs beating on it (more like the healer couldn't keep up). Mind you this was before everyone had wellfare epics |
| 21:12.31 | arkanes_ | consecrate never did that much threat |
| 21:12.49 | Niv | heh |
| 21:12.50 | SunTsu | orionshock: yes, but if the consequences of failing that pull is er nothing, because the mobs are not dangerous enough, even for most dps... |
| 21:12.58 | Niv | I tanked a shitload on my protadin alt in tbc |
| 21:13.00 | Niv | including hyjal |
| 21:13.03 | Niv | it was plenty |
| 21:13.08 | Niv | (my main is a prot warrior) |
| 21:13.21 | Niv | there are two distinct issues |
| 21:13.26 | arkanes_ | I was a rogue in BC |
| 21:13.31 | Niv | 1.) The ability to hold threat on more than 2-3 mobs |
| 21:13.37 | Niv | 2.) The danger of dying if you tank too much |
| 21:13.39 | orionshock | SunTsu, right now a days most leather + dps can tank a 5man minus bosses. but that's because it's been nerfed all to hell with QQing and free epics up the ass |
| 21:13.46 | Niv | neither matter for most of wrath |
| 21:13.47 | arkanes_ | and I did "manual AOE" because DPSing a single target for more than a few seconds would pull it off the tank |
| 21:13.57 | Niv | #1 is due to the skill changes + tricks + MD |
| 21:14.01 | arkanes_ | really |
| 21:14.13 | arkanes_ | I don't understand the complaining |
| 21:14.15 | Niv | #2 is just because blizzard made no effort to balance things in the direction of difficult |
| 21:14.18 | arkanes_ | if its not fun,quit playing |
| 21:14.28 | Niv | or, get things fixed |
| 21:14.31 | Niv | and keep playing |
| 21:14.36 | Niv | cata is a better middle ground |
| 21:14.42 | arkanes_ | well I'm not a person who can fix it |
| 21:14.49 | Niv | no one was talking to you :) |
| 21:14.55 | arkanes_ | nobody in here is ;) |
| 21:15.16 | Niv | anyway |
| 21:15.16 | arkanes_ | I'm pretty sure this is not about "get it fixed" but instead of just complaining for the echo effect |
| 21:15.25 | SunTsu | orionshock: with a rogue I could tank 5 some man bosses in bc, you could tank more than one mob in magisters terrace, too |
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| 21:15.42 | Niv | wrath tanking is largely aoe tanking, single target boss encounters are some small percentage of time |
| 21:15.53 | Niv | don't get mad at the dps for what blizzard has trained them to do |
| 21:16.00 | Niv | they are pugs, they can barely write their name |
| 21:16.01 | Niv | ;) |
| 21:16.03 | arkanes_ | theres no reason not to aoe tank trash |
| 21:16.34 | Niv | yes there is, it's mindless and adds nothing |
| 21:16.40 | Niv | it's purely a time sink |
| 21:16.51 | arkanes_ | so you just described wow? |
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| 21:17.00 | Niv | perhaps you should quit then? :P |
| 21:17.10 | arkanes_ | I don't tank anymore :P |
| 21:17.33 | arkanes_ | but the argument that it's bad because it's a "time sink" seems nonsensical |
| 21:17.38 | Niv | I still remember trying to tank bats in ZG while spec'd arms |
| 21:17.39 | Niv | haha |
| 21:17.40 | arkanes_ | trash exists to be a time sink |
| 21:18.00 | arkanes_ | as GC has said, if they didn't want you to spend the time on it, they'd just make a room with a boss and let you go |
| 21:18.03 | Niv | arkanes_: go kill 2000 boars |
| 21:18.06 | Niv | and don't bitch |
| 21:18.11 | SunTsu | I quit tanking after I had more than run with cloth dps running in front of me pulling and yelling at me after a wipe they caused that way |
| 21:18.12 | Niv | heaven forbid the content is engaging |
| 21:18.17 | Niv | like most of the game really is now days |
| 21:18.35 | arkanes_ | I don't find aoe tanking to be any less engaging than anything else |
| 21:18.37 | Niv | it's not black and white |
| 21:18.40 | arkanes_ | sure |
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| 21:18.54 | Niv | TBC was really the sweat spot (outside of protadins) imo |
| 21:18.57 | Niv | and cata is a lot closer to that |
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| 21:18.58 | Niv | so I'm happy |
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| 21:19.19 | Niv | CC is going to be more painful that TBC though |
| 21:19.29 | Niv | since you have so many more cleave/aoe abilities |
| 21:19.36 | Niv | proper pulling becomes important again |
| 21:19.41 | Niv | (which I love) |
| 21:19.45 | arkanes_ | they've removed a lot of those ctually |
| 21:19.54 | Niv | not really |
| 21:19.58 | Niv | they've just made it a choice |
| 21:20.09 | Niv | but thinks like imp revenge still exist |
| 21:20.10 | Niv | and shockwave |
| 21:20.12 | Niv | and thunderclap |
| 21:20.14 | arkanes_ | they've taken almost all of the incidental AOE abilities out of normal rotations |
| 21:20.30 | Niv | leaving me with a 6 second single target nuke, and a spammable devastate which is realtively low threat |
| 21:20.59 | arkanes_ | HS |
| 21:21.03 | Niv | haha |
| 21:21.05 | Niv | like you hav the rage |
| 21:21.09 | Niv | good try |
| 21:21.11 | arkanes_ | you played the beta recently? |
| 21:21.13 | Niv | yea |
| 21:21.22 | arkanes_ | I was HSing on cooldown |
| 21:21.28 | Niv | not on the pull you weren't |
| 21:21.30 | arkanes_ | against regular leveling mobs |
| 21:21.49 | arkanes_ | bloodrage gave me plenty until they started swining at me |
| 21:22.06 | arkanes_ | it actually felt quite overtuned and I wouldn't be surprised if they turned it down |
| 21:22.13 | arkanes_ | speaking of which, are the servers up? |
| 21:22.18 | Niv | well clearly they will |
| 21:22.23 | Niv | if heroic strike on CD is happening |
| 21:22.28 | Niv | I was able to hit it often |
| 21:22.29 | Niv | but not on CD |
| 21:22.38 | Niv | maybe your gear is a lot worse than mine |
| 21:22.43 | arkanes_ | as fury I was sitting at 60+ rage at all times, HSing on cooldown, just leveling |
| 21:22.50 | Niv | well fury is one thing |
| 21:22.54 | Niv | prot is another |
| 21:22.58 | arkanes_ | yeah I could do it as prot too |
| 21:23.02 | Niv | I leveled to 83 as arms because fury was fucked |
| 21:23.08 | Niv | prot was completely unplayable |
| 21:23.10 | arkanes_ | except I was at like 40 rage instead of 60 all the time |
| 21:23.12 | Niv | but it's gotten better |
| 21:23.23 | Niv | what is your tank gear? |
| 21:23.28 | arkanes_ | I was on a premade |
| 21:23.28 | Niv | I'm in pretty much BiS |
| 21:23.35 | arkanes_ | so like 264 stuff |
| 21:23.37 | Niv | 251 |
| 21:23.43 | arkanes_ | was it? |
| 21:23.44 | Niv | yea |
| 21:23.47 | arkanes_ | I didn't pay much attention |
| 21:23.49 | Niv | so you're two tiers behind in gear |
| 21:23.53 | Niv | that makes more sense |
| 21:23.53 | arkanes_ | I needed someone whos tradeskills worked |
| 21:24.16 | Niv | anyway, HS on the pull is still not great |
| 21:24.23 | Niv | you're better off just devastating again |
| 21:24.27 | arkanes_ | chain pulling i kept up tons of rage |
| 21:24.51 | arkanes_ | reforging for mastery kept revenge up pretty solidly even on single targets |
| 21:25.34 | Niv | I have pretty much no mastery |
| 21:25.37 | Niv | and haven't reforged at all |
| 21:25.49 | arkanes_ | I dont know how they think they're going to balance warrior & paladin masteries, honestly |
| 21:26.05 | arkanes_ | if it went live right now, warriors will be far and away the best physical tanks |
| 21:26.54 | arkanes_ | and I got my paladin up to like 90% unhittable by reforging |
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| 21:28.14 | arkanes_ | Niv: did you take shield mastery in your prot spec? |
| 21:28.50 | arkanes_ | er, shield spec rather |
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| 21:32.02 | arkanes_ | hows your shadowmourne coming steev |
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| 21:46.40 | Niv | arkanes: on beta? I'd have to check what my current build is, but probably |
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| 22:01.03 | orionshock | wow... just the mere sugestion to CC something seems to be offensive |
| 22:01.16 | Humbedooh | of course |
| 22:01.25 | Humbedooh | you're asking people to use their brains for a change |
| 22:01.28 | Humbedooh | how dare you |
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| 22:01.47 | Torhal | Me no wanna patch Wine damn it. |
| 22:01.50 | orionshock | were in UP, and i die.. and the dps just kinda stand there hoping to live though it |
| 22:02.03 | orionshock | not to mention that we have a mage and shammy and Pally in the group |
| 22:02.08 | Torhal | But since AddOns are enabled in Cata now, I have a reason to log into it |
| 22:02.27 | orionshock | no one thought to sheep or HoJ or Hex one of the adds so the DK could survive 1 mob |
| 22:02.34 | orionshock | just the whole idea was offensive |
| 22:03.05 | Torhal | I just have an issue with non-official patches - this hasn't worked for over a month now and the fix isn't in the official development tree, so I'm wary of it creating a regression. |
| 22:03.34 | Torhal | orionshock: This isn't TBC - people nowadays have no fucking clue what CC -is- |
| 22:04.40 | SqueeG | nowai |
| 22:04.47 | SqueeG | Mages should know all about the CC |
| 22:04.52 | SunTsu | orionshock: I often offer to cc, people most of the time are surprised that people even know how to do it, but don't see any need for it |
| 22:05.17 | Torhal | Most times there is no need in WoTLK, but to save your own arse when things go wrong... |
| 22:05.20 | Torhal | No-brainer :) |
| 22:05.24 | orionshock | we had 2 adds up still when i died on trash, had a mage, shammy and pally (heal) and dk standing in the group. if one of them had just CC'ed the 2nd add off the healer it wouldn't have been a wipe. |
| 22:05.26 | orionshock | but no... |
| 22:05.42 | SunTsu | yeah, cc long enough to run to the hiiiils er the entrance |
| 22:06.06 | orionshock | it was like i insulted their family honor and raped their sister the kind of response i got |
| 22:06.14 | SqueeG | lol |
| 22:06.31 | SqueeG | unless the tank/heals is NOTICABLY bad |
| 22:06.32 | SunTsu | at least you didn't do anything to their dogs |
| 22:06.39 | SqueeG | it's always the DPS's fault for a wipe |
| 22:06.45 | orionshock | one of them maybe |
| 22:07.50 | orionshock | SqueeG, i was tanking, and died. & i think i died because the healer was dpsing |
| 22:08.07 | SqueeG | facepalms |
| 22:08.07 | orionshock | & tbh im a non-epic'ed tank |
| 22:08.22 | SqueeG | non...epic? |
| 22:08.42 | orionshock | as in sitting in all ICC gear like most ppl expect others to be now a days |
| 22:08.46 | SqueeG | lol |
| 22:08.50 | SqueeG | I'm not :D |
| 22:08.55 | orionshock | www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Madoran&cn=Atradies |
| 22:09.00 | SqueeG | I still have mostly vanilla WoTLK instance gear :p |
| 22:09.05 | SqueeG | most is purple except my bracers |
| 22:09.10 | Torhal | "LFM normal HK - need 5500 GS!" |
| 22:09.11 | SunTsu | orionshock: it's quite common, I normally think of dpsing with my healers, too, because geared tanks don't take noticable damage on trash in heroics |
| 22:09.15 | SqueeG | but that's bout as far as I go xD |
| 22:09.15 | orionshock | granted im missing like 4 slots for the right gear, but.. really that shouldn't preclude me from being able to tank |
| 22:09.37 | SqueeG | UP is a pain in the anus, though |
| 22:09.44 | SqueeG | it does crazy tank damage |
| 22:10.14 | SunTsu | SqueeG: at the later groups it does, yes |
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| 22:10.54 | SqueeG | orionshock, how far were you? |
| 22:11.10 | orionshock | liek 8th pull |
| 22:11.17 | orionshock | room before 1st boss |
| 22:11.54 | SqueeG | ./facepalm |
| 22:12.08 | SqueeG | that... that's some bad deeps, man |
| 22:12.11 | orionshock | it's that set of 3, 2drake handlers and a drake before the corridor to the first boss |
| 22:14.38 | SunTsu | there's drakes in UP? I thought that was UK |
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| 22:15.37 | SunTsu | maybe I haven't been there for too long, though |
| 22:16.06 | orionshock | might be UK |
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| 22:16.45 | SqueeG | it amuses me |
| 22:17.12 | SqueeG | yea, i think you're talking bout UK amigo |
| 22:19.16 | SunTsu | people normally don't pay attention much on UK, because nobody takes it serious anymore, though it can be tough for a non-epic tank |
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| 23:08.49 | LibertineLush | hey guys. beginner rogue question |
| 23:08.59 | LibertineLush | for the main hand in a combat rogue, how do you choose between a weapon with a higher dps versus another weapon with a lower dps but with a higher dmg range, which benefits Sinister Strike? |
| 23:09.27 | arkanes | highest dps always |
| 23:10.07 | LibertineLush | but when tested 2 such weapons on mobs, the SS was definitely higher on the lower dps weapon |
| 23:10.22 | arkanes | SS is only a fraction of your overall damage |
| 23:10.40 | arkanes | what weapons specifically are you comparing? |
| 23:11.19 | LibertineLush | i'm only level 40, so surely not any well known weapons. usually it's a sword versus something else |
| 23:11.51 | arkanes | take your 2 highest DPS weapons, and put the slowest one your in main hand |
| 23:11.55 | arkanes | rinse, repeat |
| 23:12.28 | arkanes | fine DPS distinctions aren't really that big a deal as you're leveling |
| 23:13.01 | arkanes | I'm assuming you don't have heirloom weapons? |
| 23:13.07 | LibertineLush | for the main hand, what if you have a fast weapon with higher dps than the slower weapon |
| 23:13.18 | LibertineLush | which should you use then |
| 23:13.27 | LibertineLush | no, i'm a genuine beginner. 3 weeks in the game |
| 23:13.32 | arkanes | LibertineLush: same rules |
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| 23:13.49 | LibertineLush | so still take the higher dps? |
| 23:13.59 | arkanes | you always wnat to be using your 2 highest DPS weapons |
| 23:14.03 | LibertineLush | ok |
| 23:14.10 | arkanes | of those 2, put the fastest in your OH and the slower in your MH |
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| 23:14.58 | LibertineLush | and it doesn't matter if the dps of the oh is higher than the mh? as long as the oh is the faster one? |
| 23:15.11 | arkanes | not really, no |
| 23:15.23 | arkanes | I mean if you wanted to really worry about it, you could spreadsheet it all out |
| 23:15.30 | arkanes | but as you're leveling its not a big deal |
| 23:15.45 | arkanes | at 40, a good pair of weapons is a thrash blade & sword of omen, for example |
| 23:15.49 | LibertineLush | yea, i've seen those. i've been playing heavily, but definitely not that hardcore |
| 23:16.06 | arkanes | the spreadsheets are all designed for level 80 characters in fully buffed raids anyway |
| 23:16.24 | LibertineLush | i just learn as much as possible as i go. so when i'm 80, i'll have less questions and mistakes |
| 23:16.27 | arkanes | okay thrash blade is 45 |
| 23:16.39 | arkanes | but still! sword of omen is really good |
| 23:16.44 | LibertineLush | so the only time i should ever take the dmg range into consideration is if the dps of both weapons is equal? |
| 23:16.59 | arkanes | damage is range is just a factor of the dps and the speed |
| 23:17.31 | arkanes | so if you follow the rule, and your weapons are not of totally ridiculously different item levels, you'll have the larger range in the MH |
| 23:18.39 | arkanes | ah vanquisher sword is the level 40ish MH you'd want |
| 23:18.43 | LibertineLush | ok. sometimes i believe that's not the case with my drops, so it just confused me |
| 23:18.46 | LibertineLush | yea, i got that! |
| 23:18.55 | LibertineLush | just recently |
| 23:19.15 | arkanes | so get the scarley monastary chain done & pick up your sword of omen |
| 23:19.27 | arkanes | or of serenity if you're alliance |
| 23:19.36 | arkanes | and then you will be cold pimpin' |
| 23:19.49 | LibertineLush | that all occurs inside the instance? is it supposed to be done alone or with a party |
| 23:20.16 | LibertineLush | i think i have that quest. 4ppl need to be killed. i killed 2 without knowing it |
| 23:20.36 | arkanes | they're all bosses in the various wings of the scarlet monastery instance |
| 23:20.41 | LibertineLush | i mostly have no idea what's happening in dungeon quests. it's all happening too fast |
| 23:20.45 | LibertineLush | ah ok |
| 23:21.23 | LibertineLush | when you "Share" a quest, does that affect your xp or weapon reward for that quest? |
| 23:21.26 | arkanes | no |
| 23:21.48 | arkanes | it's just letting the other people pick up the quest without having to go find the quest giving NPC |
| 23:21.48 | LibertineLush | okay |
| 23:22.12 | LibertineLush | ok that's nice |
| 23:22.59 | LibertineLush | thanks for all that rogue info. couldn't even find it anywhere in the Elitist Jerks forums, which appears to be some sorta authoritative place |
| 23:23.15 | arkanes | EJ is focussed very heavily on the endgame |
| 23:23.20 | Megalon | elitistjerks is for endgame |
| 23:23.50 | LibertineLush | when ppl say endgame, that usually means raiding/pve? or can it also mean arena/pvp? |
| 23:23.53 | arkanes | look at the stickies on the official wow forums for some introductory information |
| 23:23.59 | arkanes | LibertineLush: either |
| 23:24.06 | LibertineLush | yea, i skimmed one so far |
| 23:24.11 | arkanes | EJ is mostly PVE focussed, there are other sites for PVPers |
| 23:24.29 | Antiarc | For a moment I thought I was in #elitistjerks and I was very confused that people were being nice |
| 23:24.37 | LibertineLush | could you link me? i intend to do both |
| 23:24.37 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 23:24.40 | Megalon | :D |
| 23:24.45 | LibertineLush | actually enjyoing battlegrounds the most now |
| 23:24.54 | Antiarc | arenajunkies.com is the PVP-oriented site |
| 23:25.35 | LibertineLush | so i already dual specced, assassin for pvp, combat for pve. was tempted by sub for shadowstep, which looks amazingly fun, but decided against it cause no one seems to recommend it |
| 23:25.41 | LibertineLush | Antiarc: thanks! |
| 23:25.56 | arkanes | sub is crippled by its poor damage output |
| 23:26.13 | Antiarc | Shadowstep is fun but Subtlety as a whole is a terribly crippled tree |
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| 23:26.22 | LibertineLush | that's too bad |
| 23:26.22 | arkanes | the mobility and control are superior, but the PVP game right now doesn't really allow you to exercise that strength compared to the damage output in assass |
| 23:26.27 | Antiarc | If they made Shadowstep trainable nobody would spec sub |
| 23:26.42 | arkanes | sub is awesome at low levels in cata |
| 23:26.49 | arkanes | say up to 30 or 40 |
| 23:27.03 | LibertineLush | yea, they should do that. seems like such amazing feauture for all rogues to get to try |
| 23:27.15 | arkanes | shadowstep->ambush one shots most stuff, evisc finihses off everything else |
| 23:27.24 | arkanes | mobility is the greatest rogue weakness |
| 23:27.34 | arkanes | and shadowstep is amazing |
| 23:28.34 | sylvanaar | any word on server eta? |
| 23:28.39 | arkanes | its only in wrath that PVP rogues have moved away from sub, historically it's always been the preferred PVP spec |
| 23:28.51 | Antiarc | Combat's mobility in Cata is going to be incredible just FYI |
| 23:28.51 | Antiarc | :D |
| 23:28.52 | LibertineLush | i'm thinking if that if assass does fine in raiding for me, i could do away with combat and respec with sub. but it seems combat is still the best for pve/raiding |
| 23:29.04 | Antiarc | Combat is easily the best for PVE |
| 23:29.07 | Humbedooh | you want a real answer or the blizz answer, syl? |
| 23:29.10 | Antiarc | At least with endgame gear levels |
| 23:29.11 | Humbedooh | I can give you the latter |
| 23:29.17 | SqueeG | is sub getting boosted? |
| 23:29.22 | arkanes | nothing touches combat for pve leveling |
| 23:29.23 | SqueeG | because i hate playing swords rogues |
| 23:29.30 | Humbedooh | it ends with "Thank you for your patience and understanding"..! |
| 23:29.37 | arkanes | SqueeG: sub has all the mechanics it needs to be viable in cata, it'll depend on how they tune the mastery |
| 23:29.43 | LibertineLush | Antiarc: what's changing to mobility in cata? |
| 23:30.06 | Antiarc | LibertineLush: Sprint's going to a 1 minute cooldown and is affected by Restless Blades |
| 23:30.18 | arkanes | LibertineLush: assas and combat are neck and neck for pve until the very top gear levels, when you can get armor pen capped as combat. Basically use whatever you can get the best weapons for |
| 23:30.20 | SqueeG | hmm |
| 23:30.21 | Antiarc | So combat will have a snare break + speed boost every 30-40 sec |
| 23:30.29 | arkanes | the 1 min cooldown on sprint is great |
| 23:30.39 | arkanes | I hadn't noticed that it was still on restless blades, thats awesome |
| 23:30.58 | LibertineLush | Antiarc: i'm not familiar with restless blades. that's not a talent tree thing is it? |
| 23:31.05 | arkanes | LibertineLush: its a cata talent |
| 23:31.17 | LibertineLush | ah. what's it do? |
| 23:31.25 | arkanes | it reduces the remaining cooldown on most of your cooldown abilities every time you do a finisher |
| 23:31.26 | Niv | wtb beta servers |
| 23:31.44 | LibertineLush | whoa, that sounds huge |
| 23:31.53 | Antiarc | It is. |
| 23:32.00 | Megalon | it owns |
| 23:32.05 | Antiarc | Reduces the CD on KSpree and Sprint by 2 sec per combo point on a finisher |
| 23:32.13 | Megalon | for leveling too, you can just hit killing spree |
| 23:32.14 | Antiarc | So you end up with a ~45 sec kspree and a ~30 sec sprint |
| 23:32.18 | arkanes | Antiarc: did they take AR off it? |
| 23:32.20 | Megalon | every third or fourth mob |
| 23:32.23 | Antiarc | Oh, no, AR too |
| 23:32.45 | koaschten | combat rogues so gonna have fun :) |
| 23:32.52 | Antiarc | combat's gonna own |
| 23:32.57 | arkanes | I still prefer assas |
| 23:32.59 | Niv | until they nerf it |
| 23:33.03 | arkanes | but yeah combat is pretty awesome |
| 23:33.05 | Niv | mute is so boring ;) |
| 23:33.12 | koaschten | Niv that would be something new |
| 23:33.14 | Niv | (in wrath) |
| 23:33.20 | koaschten | we have gone so underpowered into all expansions so far |
| 23:33.21 | koaschten | ... |
| 23:33.24 | Niv | just remember the cycle |
| 23:33.28 | Niv | rogues are OP as shit in beta |
| 23:33.33 | Niv | nerfed to shit at released |
| 23:33.36 | Niv | then buffed up over the xpac |
| 23:33.38 | Antiarc | Recuperate is awesome |
| 23:33.44 | Antiarc | Recuperate as combat is more awesome. |
| 23:33.45 | LibertineLush | no longer does respecing combat to sub sound as appealing anymore |
| 23:34.01 | koaschten | recuperate ... some developer gave his soul to the devil to get it in |
| 23:34.18 | arkanes | CP staying on dead targets is the best part |
| 23:34.33 | arkanes | it was like that for a while way back in vanilla, and i was so sad when they fixed it |
| 23:34.35 | koaschten | or bobby plays a rogue, you never know Antiarc |
| 23:35.25 | Megalon | bobby is the devil |
| 23:35.28 | Megalon | that the sould went to :p |
| 23:35.59 | Antiarc | Rogues needed a self-heal, but talented recuperate is -really- good. |
| 23:37.04 | sylvanaar | they're up! |
| 23:37.16 | arkanes | clicking buttan now! |
| 23:37.24 | LibertineLush | arkanes: when you said "when you can get armor pen capped as combat," what does that mean? what's armor pen? |
| 23:37.41 | Humbedooh | armor penetration rating |
| 23:37.47 | LibertineLush | ah |
| 23:37.53 | arkanes | LibertineLush: armor pen is stat you will see on 70+ gear, it allows you to ignore part of your opponents armor |
| 23:37.54 | Humbedooh | basically means how awesome you are at piercing through solid plate armor |
| 23:37.58 | Megalon | up and quite laggy :> |
| 23:38.07 | LibertineLush | nice |
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| 23:38.18 | arkanes | the way it scales makes it the strongest possible stat for classes that do physical damage once they can get large amounts of it |
| 23:38.59 | koaschten | your talents have been reset |
| 23:39.01 | koaschten | -.- |
| 23:39.11 | arkanes | hooray addons are activated |
| 23:39.17 | Megalon | I got us 3 guildachievements on login! |
| 23:39.20 | arkanes | begins writing code. |
| 23:39.27 | Megalon | or you did koaschten |
| 23:39.27 | LibertineLush | so when you said armor pen gets capped for combat at the top gear levels, does assas become better then in pve and pvp? |
| 23:39.29 | koaschten | ooh shiny new glyph ui |
| 23:39.30 | Megalon | ;x |
| 23:39.48 | arkanes | LibertineLush: no, combat specs that can cap out armor pen will generally do more damage than assassination |
| 23:39.49 | Megalon | giev prime glyphs nao |
| 23:39.58 | arkanes | LibertineLush: but at middling levels, assass will generally outscale combat |
| 23:40.07 | arkanes | LibertineLush: it depends more on the individual player than the spec, though |
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| 23:41.00 | Aikar | http://aikar.co/makingbank.png this is insane lol |
| 23:41.01 | LibertineLush | arkanes: ok, awesome to know all this beforehand |
| 23:41.12 | Aikar | im lvl18 |
| 23:42.20 | arkanes | LibertineLush: when you're first getting into raiding and other endgame pve, you basically want to go with whatever spec you have better weapons for |
| 23:43.04 | arkanes | 77460862 |
| 23:43.05 | LibertineLush | arkanes: so daggers for assass/sub and swords for combat right? |
| 23:43.16 | arkanes | noo my authenticator |
| 23:43.22 | arkanes | LibertineLush: mostly its axes for combat, but yeah |
| 23:43.42 | arkanes | or axe MH, sword OH |
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| 23:43.52 | LibertineLush | arkanes: oh! why are axes better? |
| 23:43.57 | LibertineLush | thought it was swords all this time |
| 23:44.02 | Niv | sub lol |
| 23:44.10 | arkanes | they're the same, they're just more broadly available |
| 23:44.19 | LibertineLush | ah alright |
| 23:44.22 | arkanes | blizzard makes more axes because they can be used by rogues, shamans, or frost DKs |
| 23:44.43 | Humbedooh | no no |
| 23:44.49 | Humbedooh | it's because they hate humans! |
| 23:44.53 | Humbedooh | and luuurb orcs ;( |
| 23:44.59 | arkanes | Humbedooh: well obviously |
| 23:45.02 | koaschten | realm dooooown |
| 23:45.03 | Megalon | fuuuuuuu mekkatorque |
| 23:45.21 | arkanes | he cool, the loading screen shows what files its loading now |
| 23:45.36 | Megalon | yea, if you can't move on login just restart |
| 23:45.55 | Megalon | that fixed it for me |
| 23:46.09 | arkanes | ack they removed a bunch of masteries |
| 23:46.39 | Megalon | i still have a fuckton of talents active on my druid |
| 23:46.42 | koaschten | need someone to explain the new glyph ui ^^ |
| 23:46.45 | Megalon | which i had when i transfered |
| 23:46.46 | Niv | servers are up |
| 23:46.53 | koaschten | were up Niv :) |
| 23:47.00 | Megalon | koaschten: did you learn all glyphs? |
| 23:47.02 | arkanes | koaschten: looks pretty straightfoward to me |
| 23:47.05 | Niv | talent reset whee |
| 23:47.10 | Megalon | you now learn them into your spellbook |
| 23:47.18 | koaschten | no, i have those learnt in the ui, which i had glyphed |
| 23:47.19 | Megalon | or in this build, the glyphui |
| 23:47.21 | arkanes | Megalon: into the new glyph UI, rather than your spellbook |
| 23:47.26 | Niv | first thing I notice, spam from fel armor on warlock near me |
| 23:47.30 | Niv | gains 0 (X overheal) |
| 23:47.32 | Niv | every tick |
| 23:47.32 | koaschten | the problem is, i tried to fill the glyph ui |
| 23:47.45 | koaschten | and it said i can't learn that glyph cause ... i already know it in the spellbook |
| 23:47.48 | koaschten | .-. |
| 23:47.51 | Megalon | last build you could only change your top major glyph |
| 23:48.11 | koaschten | i haz prime glyphs, and they are identical to my major glyphs |
| 23:48.15 | arkanes | let me log into a toon that knows some glyphs |
| 23:48.19 | koaschten | which makes them double awesome and broken? |
| 23:48.37 | koaschten | digs around for his livestream.... where is that tool |
| 23:48.39 | arkanes | koaschten: they probably haven't started the actual glyph redesign yet |
| 23:49.12 | Humbedooh | You will sever my soul from my body! |
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| 23:49.40 | Megalon | arkanes: they removed some glyphs from my spec, so they deleted some at least |
| 23:49.46 | Niv | prime glyphs? |
| 23:49.54 | arkanes | okay yeah the UI is kinda glitchy |
| 23:50.19 | Niv | so are prime glyphs supposed to be the archeology thing? |
| 23:50.33 | arkanes | clicking on unknown glyphs gives me a broken cursor thingy |
| 23:51.12 | arkanes | koaschten: I clicked on my prime glyph of judgment, clicked on a prime glyph slot, and it activated it exactly as I'd expected |
| 23:51.15 | Niv | I hope these are random examples |
| 23:51.22 | Niv | I have 3 prime glyph spots, and only 3 options |
| 23:51.25 | Niv | why even ask |
| 23:51.28 | koaschten | arkanes yes, thats obvious |
| 23:51.34 | koaschten | it doesnt work for my minors |
| 23:51.55 | arkanes | ah yeah my minors don't work either |
| 23:52.18 | Megalon | better than the other way round :P |
| 23:52.23 | arkanes | removing the glyph doesn't work right either, tooltip says empty but the icon is still there |
| 23:52.28 | Niv | dalaran loading screen is badass |
| 23:52.28 | Humbedooh | 1283 |
| 23:52.31 | Humbedooh | oops |
| 23:52.36 | Niv | so is the org/ashera one |
| 23:52.37 | arkanes | koaschten: ah but I can reinscribe it |
| 23:52.46 | arkanes | koaschten: delete first, instead of trying to overwrite |
| 23:52.51 | arkanes | aaaand server down |
| 23:52.54 | koaschten | its an empty slot ; |
| 23:53.10 | arkanes | well I was able to delete my glyph of kings and then reinscribe it |
| 23:53.25 | Megalon | oh now only gilneas is up :> |
| 23:54.04 | arkanes | Niv: the datamined stuff for inscription has them being able to create recipies for other tradeskills |
| 23:54.13 | arkanes | and now gilneas is down :P |
| 23:54.27 | koaschten | all servers down :/ |
| 23:54.30 | Niv | yea |
| 23:54.31 | Niv | I got booted |
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| 23:54.50 | sylvanaar | addons are teh broken |
| 23:55.05 | koaschten | teh real brokenz? |
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| 23:55.08 | sylvanaar | there alot of work to do |
| 23:55.10 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 23:55.27 | Niv | most of my shit was working before they disabled them |
| 23:55.29 | sylvanaar | i have 5 days off... |
| 23:55.56 | Niv | gimme bartender, sUF and SBF and I'll be happy |
| 23:55.59 | sylvanaar | acp works, im glad for that |
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| 23:58.27 | koaschten | server monitor enabled: http://www.livestream.com/xfire_koaschten |
| 23:58.29 | koaschten | ;) |
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