| 00:00.09 | Mrruben5 | spam! |
| 00:00.23 | Mirrormn | niv: you get infinite breath and 60% swim speed in vashj'ir |
| 00:00.23 | Mirrormn | and then after the first 1/3, you get a 280% water mount |
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| 00:00.50 | Mirrormn | it's generally not much different than a regular zone other than you move faster and can fly without being mounted, in the end |
| 00:00.51 | Niv | Mirrormn: I have the buff, but not the mount |
| 00:01.12 | Mirrormn | yeah you have to do most of the reef forest before you get the mount |
| 00:01.17 | Niv | yea |
| 00:01.26 | Mirrormn | also, although the tooltip says it is 280%, I'm not sure it's actually that fast |
| 00:01.30 | Niv | I'm already 1/3 to 81, and I've done maybe 6 quests and 4 instances |
| 00:01.42 | Niv | so I assume XP will get nerfed down more |
| 00:02.36 | Megalon | mobs give ridiculous xp compared to quests |
| 00:02.51 | Niv | quests were 30k |
| 00:02.52 | Niv | mobs were 15? |
| 00:02.55 | Niv | 12? |
| 00:02.58 | Megalon | rested 4k per mob, 28k per quest |
| 00:03.16 | Niv | oh, maybe it was instance mobs at 12k |
| 00:03.52 | Megalon | I got not much left in hyjal when I dinged 81 ;o |
| 00:04.00 | Mirrormn | who were you doing instance with anyway? |
| 00:04.26 | Niv | EJB folks |
| 00:04.45 | Niv | I'm playing mostly on Gilneas |
| 00:04.49 | Niv | I prefer pvp |
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| 00:14.47 | vhaarr | Mirrormn: did you crash 24/7 in the trogg area in deepholm? |
| 00:16.05 | vhaarr | I think it's that elite trogg guy that crashes me |
| 00:18.00 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r193 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 00:18.01 | Repo | Added simple "scrolldown" module that moves the Blizzard button to the top-right hand side of the chat frame and shows it dynamically when not scrolled to the very bottom of the chat frame. |
| 00:18.06 | Pneumatus | i crashed you |
| 00:18.08 | Pneumatus | sorry |
| 00:18.10 | vhaarr | hrm guess I just updated my mesa libs, I'll try a reboot |
| 00:18.15 | Funkeh` | vhaarr, much like KT's infamous ability to disconnect players, his ability is to crash you |
| 00:18.51 | vhaarr | I am guessing you made that up, or is he known to crash players? |
| 00:19.17 | Funkeh` | no idea if it's a known issue |
| 00:19.46 | Caleb| | try setting everything to minimum vhaarr |
| 00:19.53 | Caleb| | especially view distance |
| 00:20.07 | vhaarr | yeah I am, but I updated some OpenGL libraries and stuff here so I will reboot first |
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| 00:24.30 | Mirrormn | vhaarr: I'm in the trogg area right now, and I'm doing fine |
| 00:24.45 | Mirrormn | saved dying a few times because I keep getting tempted to living bomb like 15 troggs at a time |
| 00:26.24 | vhaarr | probably a graphic card issue or whatever |
| 00:27.13 | vhaarr | after a reboot and manually setting everything to minimum in Config.wtf, I no longer crashed |
| 00:27.28 | Mirrormn | hmm, ironically |
| 00:27.30 | Mirrormn | I just crashed |
| 00:27.42 | Mirrormn | you infected me with your crashiness =/ |
| 00:28.58 | Sliker | .. I got a raid warning saying "Oops." and then the game immediately crashed |
| 00:33.54 | Mirrormn | now I can't even log in without crashing -.- |
| 00:40.28 | Stanzilla | warrior self heals are so damn overpowered |
| 00:40.37 | Stanzilla | 11k heal with victory rush T_T |
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| 01:12.24 | vhaarr | did blizzard add a consumable vendor or whatever? |
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| 01:55.16 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r194 urlcopy.lua: Test out a re-written simplified urlcopy module. |
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| 02:09.41 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r579 / (2 files in 1 directory): anti-phishing update |
| 02:11.49 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude 04v5.0.3.5 * r580 : Tagging as v5.0.3.5 |
| 02:26.26 | orionshock | lame... they took away the GCD buff from unholy aura :| |
| 02:30.48 | Mrruben5 | Anyone know an addon that can extend the char specific macro beyond 18? |
| 02:30.54 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r195 urlcopy.lua: tweak |
| 02:31.03 | Mrruben5 | s/macro/macro's |
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| 02:36.30 | DWSR | orionshock: You mean unholy presence? |
| 02:40.09 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r196 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 02:40.11 | Repo | Rename the resize_chatframe module to dont_disable, contains misc functions (allowing chatframe resizing, moving to edge of screen) |
| 02:40.11 | Repo | Move the ability to use the arrow keys in the editbox from the editbox module to the dont_disable module so people can disable editbox moving without the other. |
| 02:41.11 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r197 / (2 files in 1 directory): Repo file rename |
| 02:54.49 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r198 urlcopy.lua: more tweaks |
| 02:58.41 | orionshock | humm... this is odd.. so i waltz in to look at the blacksmithing stuff... and i get an option to learn Summon Felsteed" from the weapon master. ... I lean it and not 5sec later im d/c'ed and LostIsles is offline .... |
| 02:58.42 | orionshock | >.> |
| 02:59.56 | Mrruben5 | lol |
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| 03:07.51 | orionshock | DWSR, yes, unholy presence |
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| 03:38.08 | Gnarfoz | orionshock: you brokes it |
| 03:43.09 | Repo | 10gridstatusrole: 03Greltok * r28 / (2 files in 1 directory): Acquire GridStatus from :GetModule(). |
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| 04:24.06 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r199 urlcopy.lua: another tweak |
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| 04:50.11 | pompy | ~seen coderedline |
| 04:50.12 | purl | pompy: i haven't seen 'coderedline' |
| 05:13.30 | Torhal | ~seen coderedlin |
| 05:13.31 | purl | coderedlin <~grivell@c-68-45-212-213.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 14d 22h 59m 50s ago, saying: 'AbsolutRayne: You fix your DC problem?'. |
| 05:14.46 | Torhal | vhaarr: Fix the new water to work in OpenGL. kthx |
| 05:23.10 | asmodai | yawns |
| 05:23.37 | Torhal | asmodai: Don't do that. You'll be eaten by a grue. |
| 05:25.03 | asmodai | I feel like it did already. |
| 05:25.37 | asmodai | Mmm, root zones got DNSSEC enabled yesterday |
| 05:26.48 | asmodai | Torhal: I did mess around with those water settings and the face smoothes out a bit, but it's nowhere near where it should be yet |
| 05:34.56 | Torhal | asmodai: Huh? |
| 05:35.41 | pompy | i dont get why the world map changes arent in the beta |
| 05:35.53 | pompy | its that huge shitty, lets take up the whole screen, world map |
| 05:36.05 | asmodai | Torhal: Well, the ripple effect is there |
| 05:36.17 | asmodai | Torhal: But don't really see the reflection, but then again, that's only in some zone(s)? |
| 05:41.39 | Torhal | asmodai: The only thing that properly reflects is the sky. Characters will not (at this point, from my understanding) |
| 05:41.57 | asmodai | aha |
| 05:42.05 | asmodai | I did like the added sunshafts lighting effects |
| 05:42.10 | asmodai | nice to see that make its entry |
| 05:43.52 | Torhal | My biggest complaint with the new water is that it doesn't work under OpenGL. Second is that it looks more like liquid metal than water. |
| 05:44.08 | pompy | lol |
| 05:45.22 | asmodai | Yup, liquid metal. |
| 05:45.26 | asmodai | But better than the old metal. |
| 05:55.22 | pompy | so what guilds are on Lost Isles realm for the beta? |
| 05:56.11 | Yssaril | secure hookers alliance and Lewd on Demand horde |
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| 06:16.22 | Adirelle | I enabled the liquid water, but with the wine d3d I'm not sure of what I'm seeing... |
| 06:17.32 | Adirelle | s/liquid water/new water rendering/ |
| 06:35.12 | quiescens | don't be alliance |
| 06:35.15 | quiescens | alliance are ebil |
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| 06:37.14 | Torhal | Adirelle: You're seeing an invasion of liquid metal Terminators. |
| 06:37.50 | Zyn | Deepholm "water" is liquid metal :p |
| 06:37.51 | quiescens | liquid water is more liquidy than regular water |
| 06:39.22 | Adirelle | Torhal, you always need a shotgun when terminators are close, and I have one handy ! |
| 06:39.43 | Shefki | Yssaril: Secure hookers isn't actually in use, they're using Segmentation Fault on alliance. |
| 06:39.55 | Shefki | Yssaril: tekkub made secure hookers but there was already another guild. |
| 06:40.04 | Yssaril | ahhh lol ok |
| 06:40.28 | Shefki | Umfortunately, guild controls are screwed up atm so it's difficult getting invited to any guild. |
| 06:41.30 | pompy | just got into Lewd on Demand, lol |
| 06:41.58 | quiescens | so is there just one big realm for the thingy |
| 06:42.34 | pompy | 1 pve and 1 pvp that I've seen at least |
| 06:42.53 | pompy | for NA |
| 06:42.57 | pompy | and then 1 KR and 1 EU |
| 06:46.48 | Repo | 10blizzbugssuck: 03Shefki 07master * 3.3.5.9 BlizzBugsSuck.lua: [+1 commit] Add fix for minimap ping not updating as you move making the ping appear to move locations as you move. |
| 06:46.54 | Repo | 10blizzbugssuck: 03Shefki 043.3.5.9 * ee761c0 /: [new tag] Tagging as 3.3.5.9 |
| 06:54.57 | Yssaril | Shefki: did anyone alert blizzard to blizzbugssuck yet? |
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| 06:55.30 | Shefki | I don't know. |
| 06:56.11 | Yssaril | someone should especially now that they are revamping most of the UI :) |
| 06:57.24 | Shefki | Yssaril: You see the improvements to your OpenToCategory fix? |
| 06:58.11 | Yssaril | yep looks fine to me :0 |
| 07:02.39 | Xinhuan | ill take a look in a moment |
| 07:03.23 | Shefki | On other fronts, I'm testing using Splunk on combat logs |
| 07:03.52 | Wobin | anyone able to invite on alliance? |
| 07:04.01 | Wobin | be it seg fault or secure hookers |
| 07:05.11 | quiescens | don't do it |
| 07:05.19 | Xinhuan | the person who invited me to segfaul said i had /ginvite, but i tried and it says i don't have enough permissions |
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| 07:24.01 | Wobin | Xinhuan: so who's able to invite on segfault? |
| 07:24.50 | Xinhuan | not sure really |
| 07:24.56 | Xinhuan | since i can't see guild list |
| 07:25.05 | Xinhuan | cladhaire can |
| 07:25.14 | Xinhuan | or cide i think |
| 07:25.24 | Xinhuan | ok not cide |
| 07:25.35 | Xinhuan | actually i dont' remember who invited me lol! |
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| 07:50.51 | Adirelle | wow, I actually have the new water rendering working, it's both pretty nice and not killing my GPU* |
| 07:51.58 | Adirelle | but apparently the client doesn't like very much that I switch to another virtual terminal |
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| 08:18.00 | sbu | morning |
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| 08:23.08 | Mirrormn | good morning, sbu |
| 08:45.42 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.wowace.com/policy/project-acceptance-policy/ by Torhal |
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| 09:17.27 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/whatjusthappened/. WhatJustHappened. Steeljaw (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 09:19.10 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/auto-toast/. Auto Toast. Tharai (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 09:23.12 | Mirrormn | I think that mod should be named "WhatHaveIDone" instead of "WhatJustHappened" |
| 09:24.07 | Torhal | Say so in the project comments. |
| 09:24.17 | Mirrormn | I think I will |
| 09:25.13 | Mirrormn | erm, there's no post comment button |
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| 09:58.58 | nevcairiel | wth just broke with my talents, every time i spec, i just do one other thing, and i unlearn all of them |
| 09:59.09 | Mirrormn | on beta? |
| 09:59.15 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 09:59.24 | Mirrormn | some of the talent trees are filled with land mines |
| 09:59.33 | nevcairiel | its the same spec i had before |
| 09:59.37 | nevcairiel | it just started happening |
| 09:59.37 | Mirrormn | do not step on them! |
| 10:00.14 | Torhal | nevcairiel: None of my Vars save. I can change my sound options all day long and they always reset. |
| 10:00.21 | Torhal | CVars* |
| 10:01.29 | nevcairiel | vars != talents :P |
| 10:01.51 | Fisker | old nevcairiel |
| 10:01.54 | Fisker | anyway |
| 10:01.57 | Fisker | i want to MAKE LOVE TO YOU |
| 10:02.28 | nevcairiel | now the world server died, good job Fisker |
| 10:02.44 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Bah :P |
| 10:03.03 | Torhal | mercilessly Megalon's Fisker. |
| 10:06.25 | nevcairiel | just finishing a quest will unlearn my talents, bah! :) |
| 10:06.41 | Adirelle | hrm, 2 talent points seemed to disappear, I put them back |
| 10:06.43 | Adirelle | then I count |
| 10:06.49 | Adirelle | 40 total talent points... |
| 10:07.17 | Adirelle | anyway, where's vash'jir ? |
| 10:07.33 | nevcairiel | take the boat from sw harbor |
| 10:07.44 | nevcairiel | there is a quest that takes you there |
| 10:08.52 | Adirelle | I guess there is something similar in orgrimar |
| 10:09.38 | Torhal | Adirelle: Yah - questgiver outside the gates. |
| 10:19.17 | Fisker | np nevcairiel |
| 10:19.20 | Fisker | but do you know what? |
| 10:19.27 | Fisker | worldservergate |
| 10:19.34 | Fisker | infact many other MMOs have world servers down |
| 10:19.42 | Fisker | it's not only restricted to the Cataclysm Beta |
| 10:19.54 | Fisker | also get a free SC2 beta key with your purchase of Cataclysm |
| 10:19.54 | Mirrormn | it's a worldwide conspiracy? |
| 10:20.10 | Fisker | indeed it is, especially if you're a huge retarded faggot like Steve Jobs |
| 10:20.31 | nevcairiel | antennagate :d |
| 10:21.02 | nevcairiel | didnt they have some kind of press conference yesterday? |
| 10:21.20 | Fisker | yeah |
| 10:22.10 | Fisker | Steve Jobs: "It's not our fault, everyone else is doing it (atleast according to us, but you believe us, don't you?), and only 0,55% complained, so fuck you, however here's a free* case with your broken phone * Free = the price of the phone and the contract" |
| 10:22.57 | nevcairiel | sadly those apple-moron-fanbois will only be celebrating now that they get a free case |
| 10:23.22 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 10:23.34 | Fisker | i do believe him with one thing though |
| 10:23.44 | Fisker | Bloomberg said that apple engineers warned him a long time ago about it |
| 10:23.49 | Fisker | I believe him when he says it's a lie |
| 10:23.59 | Fisker | Because obviously anyone warning him wouldn't be working at Apple today |
| 10:24.00 | Fisker | duh. |
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| 10:27.11 | arkanes | wait wait |
| 10:27.29 | arkanes | obviously buying an iphone to get the free case is retarded |
| 10:27.40 | arkanes | but if you already have the iphone and contract, how is the case not free? |
| 10:27.43 | nevcairiel | so is buying an iphone |
| 10:28.39 | nevcairiel | whats retarted is that you actually need a case to use the phone |
| 10:28.56 | Fisker | arkanes without the iphone and the contract you wouldn't need the case |
| 10:28.56 | arkanes | right, I know you've got some sand in your shorts about the iphone |
| 10:29.19 | arkanes | but I'm not getting how you can claim that a case costs the same as the iphone + the contract |
| 10:29.24 | arkanes | thats stupid |
| 10:29.39 | Fisker | Because the case is a nessecary component in order for the device to function properly |
| 10:29.45 | arkanes | okay |
| 10:29.55 | arkanes | maybe not, really, but okay lets go with that |
| 10:30.37 | arkanes | now how does that make the case not free, exactly |
| 10:31.04 | Fisker | Because if the phone had worked, you wouldn't have gotten a free case |
| 10:31.16 | arkanes | but you still have a case |
| 10:31.29 | arkanes | and you didn't have a case before |
| 10:31.36 | arkanes | so now you have a phone and a case, and the case was free |
| 10:31.50 | Fisker | you're never going to get this i think |
| 10:31.50 | arkanes | it is not dissimilar to when a dealer recalls a part on your car |
| 10:32.10 | arkanes | well, I think I get it that you are not actually upset about the case, and instead are simply herping and derping about Apple on the internet |
| 10:32.11 | nevcairiel | Apple should recall the phone and just fix it |
| 10:32.15 | nevcairiel | but that would just money, oh noes |
| 10:32.21 | arkanes | yes clearly |
| 10:32.24 | Fisker | upset about the case? lol |
| 10:32.35 | nevcairiel | s/just/just cost/ |
| 10:32.48 | arkanes | well, it would do a lot more than "just" cost money |
| 10:32.48 | Fisker | nevcairiel hits the nail on the head |
| 10:33.02 | arkanes | its the same reason why they don't recall cars when theres a problem with the brakes |
| 10:33.08 | nevcairiel | it would alos mean that they admit that there is a problem |
| 10:33.13 | arkanes | sure |
| 10:33.19 | nevcairiel | which steve jobs could never do |
| 10:33.26 | arkanes | eh probably not |
| 10:33.34 | Fisker | It's not about the case being free, but about Apple taking the easy way out by attacking the competition, misleading people about the issue, claiming it doesn't exist, and then saying that it's ok since almost noone complained about it |
| 10:33.36 | arkanes | oh never mind |
| 10:33.45 | Fisker | And then instead of actually fixing the issue they give you a free case |
| 10:33.55 | arkanes | Fisker: but using a case does in fact fix the problem |
| 10:33.57 | nevcairiel | didnt you hear, the software update fixes the issue |
| 10:34.02 | Fisker | Which in this case is the only way to operate the phone properly if you happen to hold it in that way |
| 10:34.25 | nevcairiel | I wonder if they allow you to return the phone |
| 10:34.26 | Fisker | no arkanes it doesn't fix the problem, it works around the problem |
| 10:34.33 | arkanes | Fisker: well |
| 10:34.34 | Fisker | They do |
| 10:34.36 | nevcairiel | and cancel the contract |
| 10:34.47 | Fisker | But apple fanboys are too busy taking it up the butt anyway |
| 10:34.50 | arkanes | Fisker: working around problems does in fact fix them |
| 10:34.52 | Mirrormn | Fisker: the only way to "fix" the problem would be to actually recall every iPhone |
| 10:34.55 | airtonix | fisker |
| 10:34.58 | Fisker | yes Mirrormn |
| 10:34.59 | Fisker | i know that |
| 10:35.00 | Mirrormn | which would be totally retarded |
| 10:35.00 | arkanes | and see that right there is what this is really about |
| 10:35.05 | Fisker | why? |
| 10:35.06 | arkanes | it's not about calling out jobs (he's not here anyway) |
| 10:35.08 | Mirrormn | why would they ever do that? |
| 10:35.09 | Fisker | They released a faulty product |
| 10:35.15 | Mirrormn | cause they'd lose a ton of money |
| 10:35.15 | Fisker | they should be responsible for their faulty product |
| 10:35.19 | Fisker | duh Mirrormn |
| 10:35.20 | airtonix | arkanes, how do you know he isn't here ? |
| 10:35.26 | Fisker | responsibility can be that way sometimes |
| 10:35.31 | arkanes | airtonix: cause he'd be talking right now if he were! |
| 10:35.34 | airtonix | arkanes, unless you are him, you don't |
| 10:35.35 | arkanes | unless nevcairiel is jobs |
| 10:35.40 | arkanes | *twilight zone* |
| 10:35.40 | Mirrormn | it sounds like you just want apple to lose a ton of money for very little reason cause you don't like them for some reason |
| 10:36.19 | Mirrormn | I'm not a big fan of apple but I don't see what other reasonable step they could take |
| 10:36.26 | Fisker | Why do you think it's ok for a company to release a faulty product and then offer no fix for it, and the only work around is to get a case, which in this case, they provide for free? |
| 10:36.28 | arkanes | one thing they're right about |
| 10:36.49 | arkanes | is that there's not a company in the world thats going to issue a total recall of their flagship product due to a design flaw |
| 10:37.06 | arkanes | Fisker: maybe you have not actually ever been outside of your home, or working in a industry or something |
| 10:37.11 | Mirrormn | Fisker: you're hyperbolizing the problem |
| 10:37.14 | arkanes | Fisker: but that in fact is an entirely common scenario |
| 10:37.17 | Fisker | arkanes |
| 10:37.22 | arkanes | Fisker: go talk to a mechanic who works at a dealership sometime |
| 10:37.24 | Fisker | products get recalled all the time |
| 10:37.26 | Fisker | all the time. |
| 10:37.33 | Mirrormn | Fisker: Fisker |
| 10:37.33 | arkanes | yes indeed they do |
| 10:37.39 | Mirrormn | Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 10:37.41 | arkanes | and products also do *not* get recalled even more of the time |
| 10:37.43 | Fisker | no i'm not Mirrormn |
| 10:37.48 | Fisker | probably not arkanes |
| 10:37.57 | Fisker | is that there's not a company in the world thats going to issue a total recall of their flagship product due to a design flaw |
| 10:37.58 | Fisker | is that there's not a company in the world thats going to issue a total recall of their flagship product due to a design flaw |
| 10:38.08 | arkanes | that was a bit uneccesary |
| 10:38.11 | Fisker | "It's ok because the other kids at school does it as well" |
| 10:38.12 | arkanes | I know what I wrote |
| 10:38.12 | Mirrormn | do you have an iPhone 4, Fisker? |
| 10:38.18 | Fisker | apparently not arkanes |
| 10:38.23 | Fisker | no Mirrormn why would i want one? |
| 10:38.51 | Mirrormn | so you're just going off hearsay on how big of a problem this is, basically? |
| 10:38.54 | Torhal | Fisker has an iPhoneYourMom |
| 10:39.06 | arkanes | Mirrormn: goodness no man, it was ON THE BLOGS |
| 10:39.12 | Fisker | The phone isn't out here yet Mirrormn |
| 10:39.15 | Mirrormn | oh yeah |
| 10:39.17 | arkanes | Mirrormn: every iphone has this problem and nobody can make calls on them at all |
| 10:39.20 | Mirrormn | blogs != heasay |
| 10:39.30 | Fisker | And yes "hearsay" being reputable consumer companies obviously |
| 10:39.38 | Mirrormn | on the other hand |
| 10:39.38 | Fisker | Whereas "fact" being what Steve Jobs say |
| 10:39.44 | Mirrormn | I don't have an iPhone either |
| 10:39.47 | Fisker | For example when he mentioned a phone that had the same issue |
| 10:39.52 | Torhal | You're holding the damn phone wrong, people. |
| 10:39.53 | Mirrormn | so maybe it's a bigger problem than I think |
| 10:39.56 | arkanes | Fisker: the consumer reports thing is actually a good scenario |
| 10:40.02 | Fisker | And that a guy who had that phone could not replicate the issue, he was just told "well it only happens sometimes" |
| 10:40.13 | arkanes | Fisker: you should read what they say about products in other industries, and you should see how those companies react to those problems |
| 10:40.44 | Fisker | "It's ok because the other kids at school does it as well" |
| 10:41.02 | arkanes | Fisker: no, it's reasonable because it's how people deal with problems |
| 10:41.04 | Fisker | "It's ok because the other kids at school does it as well" |
| 10:41.12 | arkanes | I know you're just trollin' |
| 10:41.21 | arkanes | and I'm just sitting here in my underwear anyway |
| 10:41.29 | Fisker | it is indeed hot |
| 10:41.32 | Mirrormn | anyway, the point is, they released a product with a design flaw that doesn't affect most users and has a simple fix for the users it does affect |
| 10:41.38 | arkanes | but honestly just spamming is the lowest form of troll |
| 10:41.38 | Mirrormn | so they made the simple fix free |
| 10:41.51 | Fisker | it wasn't a fix |
| 10:41.53 | Fisker | it was a workaround |
| 10:41.56 | Mirrormn | band-aid |
| 10:41.56 | Fisker | there is a difference |
| 10:41.58 | arkanes | most fixes are |
| 10:42.01 | arkanes | eh |
| 10:42.11 | Mirrormn | it's almost literally a band-aid lol |
| 10:42.26 | arkanes | the correct fix, according to Fisker, would be a complete restructuring of our economic system |
| 10:42.40 | Fisker | If i want to find out what 2+2 is on my calculator, but it doesn't work, then writing 4 with a sharpie on the screen is not a fix |
| 10:42.51 | Fisker | that is a workaround |
| 10:43.00 | Fisker | do you understand now? |
| 10:43.03 | Mirrormn | that's not an analogous problem at all, though |
| 10:43.07 | arkanes | yes that is exactly like putting a case on your phone |
| 10:43.13 | robokitty | Trollin', trollin', trollin'... |
| 10:43.19 | Fisker | arkanes i'm trying to dumb it down a bit |
| 10:43.23 | arkanes | when your mom is too hairy to have sex with, I have to get you to shave her |
| 10:43.29 | arkanes | that is a workaround |
| 10:43.29 | Fisker | apparently you don't know the difference between fix and workaround |
| 10:43.33 | Mirrormn | robokitty: Trolling doesn't exist anymore |
| 10:43.56 | Fisker | Fixing is solving the problem, i.e. fixing the antenna so it does not behave in that way. |
| 10:44.15 | Fisker | A workaround is working around the problem, for example by having people use a case so it cannot happen |
| 10:44.16 | arkanes | Fisker: having an antenna at all is just a workaround for poor cell phone coverage |
| 10:44.22 | arkanes | Fisker: the fix is to deploy microcells everywhere |
| 10:44.42 | arkanes | Fisker: the difference between "fix" and "workaround" is entirely contextual and subjective |
| 10:44.52 | Mirrormn | Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 10:45.20 | Mirrormn | you can also hold the phone without touching the antenna |
| 10:45.31 | Fisker | indeed Mirrormn |
| 10:45.35 | Fisker | that is also a workaround and not a fix |
| 10:45.42 | arkanes | Sears released a washer model where the safely lock was weak and broke a lot |
| 10:45.47 | Mirrormn | actually, I think you can actually put a literal bandaid on the antenna, too |
| 10:45.49 | arkanes | replacing the lock: fix or workaround? |
| 10:46.05 | arkanes | Mirrormn: consumer reports suggests duct tape |
| 10:46.09 | Fisker | If the problem was the lock then it was a fix |
| 10:46.21 | nevcairiel | replacing the faulty component is an actual fix |
| 10:46.24 | arkanes | is it? |
| 10:46.28 | Fisker | yes |
| 10:46.28 | arkanes | it broke again |
| 10:46.35 | Fisker | Then it is a faulty fix |
| 10:46.38 | nevcairiel | well then it wasnt a proper fix |
| 10:46.41 | Mirrormn | nuuuuu |
| 10:46.46 | arkanes | you might say it was a workaround, then |
| 10:46.51 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 10:47.00 | nevcairiel | a workaround would be using ducttape to fix the lock |
| 10:47.07 | Mirrormn | why does the semantic difference between the words workaround and fix matter anyway? |
| 10:47.07 | arkanes | in that it solved the symptom but did not address the underlying issue? |
| 10:47.23 | Mirrormn | in this case, the "workaround" is very reasonable and the "fix" is very unreasonable |
| 10:47.24 | Fisker | They're not semantics at all Mirrormn |
| 10:47.31 | arkanes | Mirrormn: cause it's 6 am on the internet and what else am I gonna do except argue with fisker |
| 10:47.39 | Fisker | What if i don't want to use a case? And what if i cannot hold the phone in a different position |
| 10:47.53 | Mirrormn | then you use duct tape :) |
| 10:48.01 | arkanes | or maybe you don't use your iphone |
| 10:48.10 | Fisker | or i expect the company who made the mistake to rectify it |
| 10:48.14 | Fisker | of course arkanes |
| 10:48.15 | arkanes | they did |
| 10:48.18 | Mirrormn | there are products with bigger design flaws that don't even have fixes |
| 10:48.20 | Fisker | they didn't |
| 10:48.25 | arkanes | of course they did |
| 10:48.29 | arkanes | but you're unhappy with the fix |
| 10:48.30 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt want to use some case that would make the phone even fatter |
| 10:48.32 | arkanes | so you can return your phone |
| 10:48.46 | Fisker | it's still not a fix arkanes |
| 10:48.52 | arkanes | what is it 1999 and all we care about is how small we can make phones now? |
| 10:48.55 | Fisker | English, how it escapes your grasp |
| 10:49.01 | Mirrormn | what if they released the phone with a case hard-glued to it, and you couldn't take it out of the case? |
| 10:49.04 | arkanes | ah yes |
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| 10:49.07 | nevcairiel | those smartphones are fat enough as it is |
| 10:49.13 | arkanes | clearly the issue at hand is my lack of understanding of English |
| 10:49.18 | Fisker | Mirrormn then that would be part of the advertising they did for the phone |
| 10:49.26 | Fisker | Then it IS the product |
| 10:49.28 | Mirrormn | hmm |
| 10:49.31 | arkanes | I wasn't kidding when I said the fix was to deploy microcells |
| 10:49.33 | Mirrormn | that's a good point actually |
| 10:49.36 | Fisker | yes it is |
| 10:49.48 | arkanes | Mirrormn: the phone of course does have a case |
| 10:50.08 | Mirrormn | well, I guess I would agree that |
| 10:50.10 | arkanes | someone needs to get xzibit on this immediately |
| 10:50.17 | Mirrormn | if you really don't want to use a case |
| 10:50.22 | Fisker | The case is optional, not mandatory |
| 10:50.40 | Mirrormn | and your fingers are like fucking locked in one position so you can't hold it differently |
| 10:50.47 | Mirrormn | and duct tape is a banned substance in your country |
| 10:50.56 | Mirrormn | you should be able to get a full refund for the phone |
| 10:51.03 | nevcairiel | I really wouldnt have to think about how i hold the phone, is all :) |
| 10:51.12 | Fisker | Mirrormn wouldn't you want to pick up your phone and not have to worry about holding it in the correct position? |
| 10:51.13 | nevcairiel | wouldnt want to* |
| 10:51.15 | arkanes | I think thats an entirely legit view |
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| 10:51.23 | Mirrormn | Fisker: sure I would |
| 10:51.33 | arkanes | and that you should definitely avoid buying an iphone with that design flaw in it |
| 10:51.41 | Fisker | I will |
| 10:52.00 | Fisker | But in the case i was an early adopter, i would like the device to work as expected |
| 10:52.05 | Mirrormn | I wonder if you *could* get a refund for your iPhone, given the flaw |
| 10:52.19 | arkanes | pretending that this is some sort of consumer outrage thing instead of just "hahaha I take every opportunity to talk about how sucky Jobs and Apple are" is stupid though |
| 10:52.29 | Mirrormn | yeah, I agree with arkanes there |
| 10:52.39 | nevcairiel | He is kinda sucky |
| 10:52.44 | arkanes | he's a pretty big douche |
| 10:52.45 | Fisker | Had Steve Jobs tried to pull the "Just return the phone" in the UK, or in Denmark, or probably many other places in europe, then he would've been fucked up |
| 10:52.48 | arkanes | I ain't gonna argue |
| 10:52.57 | nevcairiel | the whole "just hold it different" .. |
| 10:53.20 | arkanes | the sears example was not hypothetical |
| 10:53.20 | nevcairiel | the whole industry mocked him for that |
| 10:53.36 | Fisker | arkanes infact i thought the iPhone 4 to be a pretty superior phone (though i still wouldn't get it due to how Apple in general operates) until the antenna issues were discovered |
| 10:53.38 | arkanes | but I don't see Fisker in here bitching about washing machines |
| 10:53.56 | arkanes | Fisker: it's a fact that it doesn't affect most people |
| 10:54.03 | Fisker | I didn't know about it arkanes |
| 10:54.05 | arkanes | and even fewer on a regular basis |
| 10:54.15 | arkanes | I'm not saying it's not a legit problem |
| 10:54.17 | Mirrormn | it's also a fact that you can put duct tape on the antenna |
| 10:54.28 | Fisker | It's not a fact arkanes |
| 10:54.39 | Mirrormn | that doesn't affect its usability at all and fixes the problem outrigh |
| 10:54.40 | Mirrormn | t |
| 10:54.44 | arkanes | Fisker: it is |
| 10:54.54 | Fisker | That 0.55% have called in(which is still over 15000 affected) does not mean that the remaining 99.45% doesn't have the issue |
| 10:54.59 | arkanes | Fisker: outraged postings on the internet != actual incidents of issues |
| 10:55.02 | nevcairiel | Mirrormn: it also makes it ugly |
| 10:55.09 | Fisker | Infact if i know a product has an issue, i would not call in to complain about it |
| 10:55.14 | arkanes | Fisker: indeed |
| 10:55.25 | arkanes | Fisker: in fact, in general, the reporting to non-reporting ration is about 100-1 |
| 10:55.28 | Mirrormn | nevcairiel: there are prettier alternatives |
| 10:55.37 | Mirrormn | you could get like a glossy sticker |
| 10:55.50 | arkanes | given the way apple markets the genius bar they might be lower |
| 10:56.13 | arkanes | Mirrormn: I would be very surprised if there wasn't already a special iphone-bandaid thing on the market right now |
| 10:56.17 | Fisker | Mirrormn a person shouldn't be expected to fix the issues himself, whether they be actual fixes or workarounds |
| 10:56.23 | arkanes | on your way to a mall kiosk near you! |
| 10:56.33 | robokitty | the 30 dollar case for the phone? |
| 10:56.34 | Mirrormn | Fisker: hypothetically, that is true |
| 10:56.59 | arkanes | that of course is not a realistic scenario |
| 10:57.01 | Mirrormn | but the fact remainds that you can pretty easily fix the problem |
| 10:57.02 | arkanes | for any product |
| 10:57.13 | Mirrormn | so I don't see how that makes the phone less "superior" |
| 10:57.28 | arkanes | Mirrormn: well its obviously less superior than if it didn't have the problem |
| 10:57.33 | Fisker | btw arkanes |
| 10:57.37 | Fisker | in case you didn't notice either |
| 10:57.50 | nevcairiel | you can build a technically superior phone, but if you mess up the default features, you lose the advantage |
| 10:57.55 | Mirrormn | well yeah, arkanes, but it's such a tiny difference |
| 10:58.01 | Fisker | It wasn't more than a day ago i was sitting in this channel (or #wowuidev) complaining about the Droid X bricking your phone if you happen to modify the bootloader |
| 10:58.16 | arkanes | Fisker: no you have me confused with someone else, i don't have a droud |
| 10:58.25 | Mirrormn | well it sounds like you're just a real unhappy guy, then! |
| 10:58.27 | Fisker | I didn't say you did |
| 10:58.49 | Fisker | I'm just calling an end on your attempts to try to blame this purely on it "being apple" |
| 10:58.58 | arkanes | i was talking about iphone jailbreaks and how I hadn't upgraded my OS because I was worried it'd brick me |
| 10:59.11 | arkanes | thats the only conversation I've had about phones recently |
| 10:59.16 | Fisker | the only reason why "being apple" is an issue is the way they not only treat their customers but their developers as well |
| 10:59.34 | arkanes | I hadn't even heard that droid x would brick your phone, although if its true thats pretty sad |
| 10:59.53 | Fisker | Basically it will do a authenticity check on the bootloader |
| 11:00.00 | Fisker | if it's not authentic it will "blow a fuse" |
| 11:00.16 | arkanes | Fisker: thats not uncommon for phones to do yeah |
| 11:00.23 | arkanes | part of writing a jailbreak is defeating that mechanism |
| 11:00.35 | Fisker | I do not believe any other phone does that |
| 11:00.43 | arkanes | theres plenty that don't |
| 11:00.58 | arkanes | also bricking the phone if it fails is a pretty dick move |
| 11:01.01 | Mirrormn | that sounds like something apple would do ^_^ |
| 11:01.06 | arkanes | Mirrormn: indeed |
| 11:01.16 | Fisker | of course there are security checks in order to ensure that it isn't modified |
| 11:01.22 | arkanes | and they did, kind of, with the first iphone OS update |
| 11:01.26 | Fisker | and there are usually also signs that you can access that it was done |
| 11:01.33 | Fisker | For example it may log to a file that it was jailbroken |
| 11:01.50 | arkanes | Fisker: anyway it certainly wasn't me talking about that |
| 11:01.58 | Fisker | But i do not believe that any other consumer mobile device in the world will actually brick your device if such a thing is attempted |
| 11:02.09 | arkanes | oh indeed they would |
| 11:02.16 | Mirrormn | so does it just refuse to load with a non-authentic bootloader |
| 11:02.20 | arkanes | bricking it *on purpose* is rare |
| 11:02.33 | arkanes | gets people pissed off, its bad PR, it does happen though |
| 11:02.34 | Mirrormn | or is it actually bricked in the sense that you can't reload it with the stock one? |
| 11:03.18 | arkanes | people bricking devices cause they put on a jailbreak that fails happens all the time on all kind of devices though |
| 11:03.22 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-droid-x-bootloader-controversy-says-efuse/ <-well it appears not |
| 11:03.23 | nevcairiel | Their decision to do that with the droid x is kinda puzzling though, with the droid they seemed kinda open to custom firmwares |
| 11:03.29 | Fisker | but that's what the story originally was |
| 11:03.35 | arkanes | and the phone is "bricked" in the sense that a typical consumer won't have access to the hardware needed to fix it |
| 11:03.38 | Fisker | That blowing the fuse would prevent the device from working |
| 11:03.58 | Fisker | however according to motorola(and suuuure we'll take them at their word) it'll simply refuse to load until you have the stock bootloader on |
| 11:03.59 | arkanes | Fisker: did you mean an actual physical fuse? |
| 11:04.14 | Fisker | Not entirely |
| 11:04.17 | Fisker | But that is kinda how it works |
| 11:04.22 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFUSE |
| 11:04.38 | Fisker | "Speaking abstractly, computer logic is generally 'etched' or 'hard-coded' onto a chip and cannot be changed after the chip has finished being manufactured. By utilizing an eFUSE (or more realistically, a number of individual eFUSEs), a chip manufacturer can allow for the circuits on a chip to change while it is in operation." |
| 11:05.08 | airtonix | nice |
| 11:05.23 | arkanes | It would not surprise me to find out that both parties here were telling the truth |
| 11:05.36 | Mirrormn | Fisker: that seems like a really strange thing for motorola to lie about |
| 11:05.42 | airtonix | Fiskers Uncomplicated Something Explanation. |
| 11:05.48 | arkanes | in that the phone *is* designed to just do a recovery mode, but that one or more of the third party bootloaders manages to crash it harder than that |
| 11:06.16 | arkanes | it does seem like a dick move on motorollas part, typical corp-speak justification |
| 11:06.24 | Mirrormn | "If a device attempts to boot with unapproved software, it will go into recovery mode, and can re-boot once approved software is re-installed." how would it benefit them to say that if it wasn't rue? |
| 11:06.28 | arkanes | the PR guy sounds a lot like Jobs :) |
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| 11:07.28 | Mirrormn | most likely, the bootloader tried to subvert the protection in some way that caused the recovery mode to fail |
| 11:07.35 | arkanes | yes |
| 11:07.40 | Mirrormn | you really can't blame that on motorola |
| 11:07.42 | arkanes | and again, that happens a lot |
| 11:07.56 | arkanes | well, it wouldn't be a problem if they didn't have to subvert the protections |
| 11:08.09 | arkanes | so motorola is obviously involved |
| 11:09.06 | Mirrormn | they seem to imply they have some kind of legal obligation to prevent unauthorized bootloading |
| 11:09.12 | Mirrormn | I wonder what that is |
| 11:09.28 | arkanes | its an arguable point |
| 11:09.41 | arkanes | it's the FCC regulations on the radio |
| 11:11.01 | Mirrormn | I wish mages had some kind of way to heal |
| 11:11.09 | arkanes | glyphed innervate |
| 11:11.23 | arkanes | (also whoah we talking about wow in this channel?) |
| 11:11.39 | Mirrormn | you mean glyphed evocate? |
| 11:11.51 | arkanes | yeah that |
| 11:11.59 | Mirrormn | I guess that could work |
| 11:12.07 | arkanes | its pretty nice for leveling |
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| 11:16.02 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 12:37.56 | Adirelle | people are such asses sometimes |
| 12:41.31 | Kalroth | oræy |
| 12:41.35 | Kalroth | er, orly |
| 12:41.52 | Kalroth | breaks his fat finger as a punishment for making a typo |
| 12:42.06 | quiescens | cheers |
| 12:42.54 | Kalroth | good general rule: people are assholes, without except - nice people are worse assholes, because it isn't as obvious |
| 12:42.58 | Adirelle | some people on the hunter forums claims the extension is pvp-oriented, based on the 3 post-80 hunter spells... |
| 12:43.11 | Kalroth | oh |
| 12:43.36 | Kalroth | well thats hunters, they're just dumb, i don't think they're being asses |
| 12:43.44 | sylvaan | haha |
| 12:43.57 | quiescens | but you just said that everyone was |
| 12:44.11 | Kalroth | quiescens: i said people, hunters arent real people |
| 12:44.14 | Adirelle | in french we would say "ils regardent par le petit bout de la lorgnette", which would vaguely translate to "they looks by the wrong side of the spyglass" |
| 12:45.01 | Adirelle | ok, so are warlock and druid players real people, Kalroth ? ^^ |
| 12:45.16 | Kalroth | the jury is still out on them |
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| 12:45.29 | Kalroth | im pretty sure warlocks are lumped in the same category as hunters though |
| 12:46.00 | Adirelle | unfortunately, I'm playing an hunter, an warlock and a druid |
| 12:46.08 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 12:46.12 | Adirelle | roughly one toon by extension |
| 12:46.20 | Kalroth | i seem to remember that when i raided anyways; "okaaay, no more alts? no green geared warriors? no bank alts? hrmf, okay I guess we got room for one warlock then" |
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| 12:46.21 | Adirelle | I plan to level up a mage at the end of cataclysm |
| 12:46.29 | sylvanaar | i want to play a mage too\ |
| 12:46.47 | sylvanaar | im just trying to learn to play using the premade on beta |
| 12:46.52 | Adirelle | ^^ |
| 12:47.25 | Adirelle | I'm just relearning to play without any ui modification and with focus instead of mana |
| 12:47.33 | Adirelle | (and a tonshit of broken spells, talents and mechanism) |
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| 12:47.41 | xanax` | hello |
| 12:47.44 | quiescens | just auto attack stuff |
| 12:48.06 | Adirelle | would you do this with a rogue ? |
| 12:48.27 | Adirelle | wait, rogues have so much haste the non-white damage are useless |
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| 12:57.03 | Wobster | focus is confusing |
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| 14:32.15 | Repo | 10itemauditor: 03AsaAyers * r33 / (2 files in 2 directories): Fixed a bug that occurs if you take a flight point and the first thing you kill only has one item. ItemAuditor was incorrectly attaching the cost fo the flight to the cost of that item. |
| 14:36.53 | Kalroth | wow, how obscure :p |
| 14:46.03 | asmodai | Hmmm, trying to load my lvl 11 worgen keeps yield assers in the mapchunkrenderer |
| 14:48.45 | asmodai | asserts |
| 14:51.46 | asmodai | Is it the world server that keeps crashing or? |
| 15:01.56 | arkanes | that'd be a corrupted graphic file |
| 15:02.22 | arkanes | or just a plain old client bug, but it doesn't happen to everyone its probably data corruption |
| 15:02.51 | arkanes | broken texture/model/map data is really common in the betas |
| 15:03.41 | asmodai | :( |
| 15:04.07 | asmodai | Was just trying a troll and it also asserted out :S |
| 15:04.14 | asmodai | Can't really test stuff like that |
| 15:04.22 | nevcairiel | the game is trolling you |
| 15:04.26 | arkanes | check the forums and see if happens to everyone |
| 15:04.44 | arkanes | if not, delete your wdb folder and back up your wtf, then delete it |
| 15:05.59 | arkanes | there was some polearm texture that'd crash you if you looked the wrong way at a silvermoon guard in the BC beta |
| 15:06.03 | arkanes | took em months to fix it |
| 15:06.08 | asmodai | >_< |
| 15:06.18 | nevcairiel | jobs: Just don't look at it this way! |
| 15:06.24 | asmodai | lol |
| 15:14.41 | arkanes | heh |
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| 15:21.54 | arkanes | didn't they fix regular flying mounts moving at 60% land speed a long time ago? |
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| 15:31.13 | asmodai | Jups |
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| 15:45.16 | orionshock | morning all |
| 15:46.46 | Adirelle | morning orionshock |
| 15:47.12 | quiescens | moo |
| 15:55.29 | Torhal | stabs quiescens with a wet noodle, then proceeds to Fisker him. |
| 15:56.01 | quiescens | dies. |
| 15:56.10 | orionshock | well everyone .. at least in the US... looks like the FCC is going ahead with it's plan to bring the Internet back under it's control. |
| 15:56.38 | Torhal | lolwat? |
| 15:58.01 | orionshock | earlier this year, the lawsuit between Comcast and the FCC closed. The US 2nd Court of appeals ? supported comcast in their assertion that the FCC didn't have the authority to police the internet wrt Net Neutrality. |
| 15:58.49 | Torhal | Oh. That. I thought you were saying something else just happened. |
| 15:58.52 | orionshock | that event effectively removed the last US Gov Oversight of just about every kind in the US. |
| 15:59.21 | Torhal | Eh. Courts have been overturned by higher courts... |
| 15:59.43 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r581 / (2 files in 1 directory): anti-goldspam update |
| 16:00.00 | orionshock | yeah, but here is the odd thing... the people want it according to recent events : http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/201287/thousands_call_for_fcc_broadband_reclassification.html |
| 16:02.30 | Torhal | To me that reads as "We want regulation so these evil bastards (Comcast) can't step on us anymore" |
| 16:03.32 | orionshock | hehe |
| 16:04.12 | quiescens | i don't really understand whether its supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing |
| 16:04.13 | quiescens | o.o |
| 16:04.41 | orionshock | quiescens, regulation in the manner the fcc is talking about, it's a good thing |
| 16:05.15 | orionshock | they are pushing an agenda of "All data is created and transported equally" |
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| 16:09.09 | vhaarr | hence the term "net neutrality", or a "neutral network" |
| 16:09.16 | vhaarr | just like the phone lines are neutral |
| 16:10.01 | vhaarr | streets are neutral, and the postal service is (to the extent that a package doesn't seem to pose any physical threat) neutral |
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| 16:26.28 | Arrowmaster | i hope they turn to the ISPs and say 'guess what? youre all common carriers now yay!' |
| 16:26.56 | Arrowmaster | since i dont think anybody has been classified as a common carrier for a long time |
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| 17:37.28 | vhaarr | are the sentries in Stonecore bugged? |
| 17:37.34 | vhaarr | they spotted us like 200 yards away |
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| 17:59.02 | Gnarfoz | vhaarr: they're just trying to convey to you: "back off!" |
| 18:00.26 | vithos | is there anything current like NShakedown was? |
| 18:00.35 | vithos | turns on addon config mode for every addon it can |
| 18:01.43 | Gnarfoz | no, because of the horrible amount of work that incurs |
| 18:02.05 | Gnarfoz | there's the ConfigMode spec, though, but as idealistic approaches go, not many addons use it |
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| 18:07.13 | vithos | alright |
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| 19:22.36 | yoshimo | if i want to see ruby sanctum raiddebuffs in gridstatusraiddebuff who i need to talk to? |
| 19:26.05 | Gnarfoz | some crazy asian afaik |
| 19:26.18 | Gnarfoz | you could just add them yourself |
| 19:26.58 | yoshimo | crazy asians? im not sure i can understand them ;) |
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| 19:45.52 | yoshimo | Gnarfoz, all i need is the id right? |
| 19:46.54 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: afaik, yes |
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| 19:48.18 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:48.21 | Fisker | slaps yoshimo around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:52.18 | Repo | 10tomquest2: 03gagou * r315 tomQuest2.lua: fix tracker not movable |
| 19:52.20 | Repo | fix a few errors introduced in latest alpha |
| 19:53.19 | Repo | 10tomquest2: 03gagou 043.3.5 release 1 * r316 : tag as 3.3.5 release 1 |
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| 20:01.33 | Axodious | wtb vote to kick fixed :( |
| 20:02.18 | Axodious | we're actually sitting waiting for the ability to kick a dps just so they have their 30 min cd and 20 min queue >_> |
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| 20:03.25 | nevcairiel | you could just do the instance with 4 people |
| 20:03.40 | Axodious | yeah but then he gets his free badges |
| 20:04.29 | Axodious | from what i've heard it's fixed in the next patch |
| 20:04.44 | Axodious | can kick right at the start but kicks will begin to gain diminishing returns sorta |
| 20:06.58 | quiescens | axodious is just going to get 3 people and kick the other 2 repeatedly just to be evil |
| 20:07.29 | nevcairiel | next patch? there isnt even something concrete planned yet =p |
| 20:08.04 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: 4.0 :P |
| 20:08.33 | Axodious | actually there's another raid planned before 4.0 |
| 20:09.31 | nevcairiel | doubt it |
| 20:09.50 | nevcairiel | they never confirmed that, and people just assumed |
| 20:09.57 | Fisker | Axodious it's already fixed |
| 20:10.07 | Fisker | the reason why you're waiting for 30 minutes is because you're kicking people too much |
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| 20:10.38 | nevcairiel | oh yeah didnt they make some kind of automated rating system for your kicking behaviour? |
| 20:10.41 | Fisker | nevcairiel i assume he thinks it's still 3.3.3 |
| 20:10.55 | Fisker | since the "fix" he talked about was in 3.3.5 and the raid instance was 3.3.5 too |
| 20:10.56 | Fisker | :P |
| 20:11.06 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 20:14.40 | Tuller | nanananananananacheese |
| 20:18.07 | Fisker | slaps Tuller around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:19.33 | Tuller | that does not seem very productive |
| 20:19.40 | Fisker | slaps Tuller around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:19.58 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 20:20.06 | Fisker | get your damn dirty lena commercials out of our country |
| 20:20.33 | nevcairiel | we don't want her, so you have her now |
| 20:20.40 | nevcairiel | actually, you dont hear anything about her here anymore |
| 20:20.59 | Fisker | oh makes sense |
| 20:21.06 | Fisker | here we're apparently obsessed by reality show sluts |
| 20:21.16 | Megalon | like your mom |
| 20:21.23 | Fisker | naw |
| 20:21.29 | Fisker | she's a regular slut, not a reality show one |
| 20:21.37 | Fisker | pwnt Megalon |
| 20:21.48 | Megalon | slut is slut |
| 20:21.52 | Axodious | Fisker, that's the first person i've even tried to kick in like 4 weeks |
| 20:22.05 | Axodious | and i haven't even been someone to start a vote kick in months |
| 20:22.13 | Fisker | yeah Megalon |
| 20:22.17 | Fisker | but reality slut != slut |
| 20:22.20 | Megalon | just wait until her first pron vid leaks |
| 20:22.28 | Megalon | then she'll be all over the news again |
| 20:22.29 | Fisker | or technically the other way around i guess |
| 20:22.43 | Megalon | what makes reality sluts unique |
| 20:22.46 | Megalon | from regular sluts |
| 20:22.56 | Axodious | on a side note i wonder if anyone actually reads my notes in elitist group lol |
| 20:23.04 | Fisker | Megalon news coverage |
| 20:23.14 | Megalon | ah |
| 20:23.29 | Megalon | so regular backyard sluts are local |
| 20:23.33 | Megalon | and reality sluts are the global version |
| 20:24.14 | Fisker | yeah |
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| 20:25.15 | Megalon | seems like they based deepholm on howling fjord |
| 20:25.35 | Megalon | because if you enter certain areas your client crashes |
| 20:25.35 | Ali1331 | Nice bug, channel a buff onto friendly NPCs and it applies to the unit at the end of the cast so you can just stand at a single NPC and cast it on units across the zone |
| 20:25.40 | Megalon | hurp-a-durp |
| 20:26.03 | Fisker | old bug Ali1331 |
| 20:26.19 | Ali1331 | Well I reported it anyway |
| 20:27.49 | Axodious | i enjoy the invisible shadowpriest bug |
| 20:28.19 | Axodious | disperse while in shadowform and mounted then turn off shadowforum before disperse fades |
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| 20:34.18 | Tuller | sometimes I wonder if I should just write a bunch of modifications to the stock ui instead of dominos :P |
| 20:34.28 | Tuller | because damn it, I prefer the blizzard vehicle ui/possess ui |
| 20:35.36 | Xinhuan | Tuller, perhaps you have seen my addon IPopBar ;p |
| 20:35.54 | Tuller | i've seen that before :P |
| 20:36.13 | Xinhuan | nothing fancy though! |
| 20:36.39 | Tuller | i think my dominos goal this time around will probably be separate layouts for vehicle/standard |
| 20:37.22 | Xinhuan | sounds challenging |
| 20:37.35 | Tuller | simple way: |
| 20:37.35 | Xinhuan | since programmers generally aren't graphic designers hehe |
| 20:37.45 | Tuller | well, I wasn't going to shoot for grpahics |
| 20:37.54 | Tuller | graphics rather, though I do know a couple of arty people |
| 20:38.32 | Funkeh` | ello |
| 20:38.38 | Tuller | i may shoot for per state layouts, but I think that's too complex for most people |
| 20:39.20 | Xinhuan | if it has sane defaults, its probably fine |
| 20:40.00 | Xinhuan | there, just finished installing apps on a freshly jailbroken iphone |
| 20:40.07 | Tuller | hurray |
| 20:40.18 | Tuller | the sane default would be "normal state, vehicle state" |
| 20:42.50 | Fisker | slaps Tuller around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:44.57 | Tuller | blizzard should just start giving us 64gig SSDs with wow preinstalled |
| 20:45.01 | Fisker | slaps Tuller around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:45.12 | Tuller | what? :P |
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| 20:50.42 | Adirelle | Tuller, in latest omnicc better, it seems the option to scale text to fit into button doesn't work as I expected |
| 20:50.58 | Tuller | yep! |
| 20:50.59 | Adirelle | s/better/3.0 beta 5/ |
| 20:51.11 | Tuller | that's because i've not fixed that yet :P |
| 20:51.12 | Adirelle | huh ? |
| 20:51.18 | Adirelle | ah ok |
| 20:51.46 | Tuller | the question is, was it even worth me doing the rewrite :P |
| 20:52.18 | Yssaril | Tuller: why did you rewrite it? |
| 20:52.35 | nevcairiel | make combuctor work on beta plx, i miss my big bag, cant stand those small bags =( |
| 20:53.11 | nevcairiel | blizzard should really add some simple all-in-one-bag to the default ui |
| 20:53.13 | Tuller | to reduce CPU usage :P |
| 20:53.34 | Tuller | I think if blizzard removes the whole bag concept, they can do it |
| 20:53.35 | Yssaril | how much did you end up reducing it by? |
| 20:53.38 | Tuller | 50% |
| 20:53.47 | Yssaril | then it was worth it :P |
| 20:53.49 | Tuller | ish |
| 20:54.42 | Tuller | nevcairiel: combuctor is on github, you can fix it :P |
| 20:55.32 | Yssaril | Tuller: addons are disabled in beta atm so you cant get them to work nomatter what :P |
| 20:55.46 | Tuller | i know :P |
| 20:55.58 | Yssaril | don't think anything bagrelated has changed so far in beta |
| 20:57.35 | Xinhuan | and is unlikely to change |
| 20:57.36 | Tuller | someone left a combuctor/bagnon posting at some point during the alpha telling me it was working fine |
| 20:57.39 | Adirelle | Tuller, what do you changed to reduce the CPU usage ? |
| 20:57.56 | Tuller | omnicc now uses a single throttled onupdate handler |
| 20:58.08 | Tuller | like tullaRange |
| 20:58.24 | Xinhuan | how much cpu usage does that use less? |
| 20:59.08 | nevcairiel | Tuller: i assume its working fine, but i miss it so much :( |
| 20:59.26 | Tuller | i don't have my metrics up anymore :P |
| 20:59.39 | Tuller | but last time I checked it was around half the usage |
| 21:01.42 | Adirelle | I'm realizing InlineAura already use a single onupdate handler :p |
| 21:02.44 | Fisker | btw Tuller |
| 21:02.47 | Fisker | get a job at Blizzard |
| 21:02.53 | Fisker | i want omnicc in default ui |
| 21:03.03 | Fisker | and make that last week |
| 21:04.10 | Tuller | i don't know why blizzard hasn't done so |
| 21:04.16 | Tuller | didn't dragon age have some form of cooldowncount? |
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| 21:05.41 | Fisker | idk |
| 21:05.55 | Fisker | space |
| 21:06.04 | Fisker | the final boogy monster |
| 21:06.49 | Aeyan | Tuller: Nah, just the spiral cooldowns |
| 21:06.52 | Aeyan | Playing it right now, hehe. |
| 21:07.03 | Fisker | slaps Aeyan around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:07.16 | Fisker | capital L's Aeyan |
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| 21:18.06 | sbu | mhh whats with guild leveling, is there anything beyond "fast track" yet? |
| 21:18.53 | Fisker | slaps sbu around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:19.15 | sbu | what!?! |
| 21:19.16 | Megalon | slaps the slappery slapper |
| 21:19.27 | Fisker | sofar i've seen experience, mount speed, cash converted into guildbank funds and reputation |
| 21:19.32 | Fisker | slaps Megalon around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:19.33 | Fisker | slaps Megalon around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:19.45 | Megalon | get a gm to move my char |
| 21:19.47 | Megalon | dick fisker |
| 21:19.57 | sbu | Megalon: where are you? |
| 21:20.17 | Megalon | deepholm |
| 21:20.21 | Megalon | crash on login :/ |
| 21:20.30 | Fisker | adjust visual settings to low view distance |
| 21:20.32 | Fisker | dick Megalon |
| 21:20.41 | Megalon | fu u 2 |
| 21:22.01 | Fisker | madcuzbad syndrome imo |
| 21:23.22 | Fisker | Actually i should become some kind of ph.d jerk |
| 21:23.36 | Fisker | then i would connect stuff like game shootings to "madcuzbad syndrome" |
| 21:23.41 | Fisker | that would be awesome |
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| 21:33.02 | wink | without a ph.d you have to settle on jerk? |
| 21:38.29 | Fisker | slaps wink around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:39.22 | Megalon | but wink, he worked hard on being a jerk |
| 21:45.18 | Fisker | slaps Megalon around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:47.56 | Megalon | and he still works, as you see |
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| 21:55.04 | Repo | 10realid-toons: 03Starinnia * r47 Core.lua: -more tweaks to the Toast popup |
| 22:12.12 | Axodious | weird, was in WG and my game hard locked chewing a core until i killed it twice |
| 22:26.20 | Axodious | and this is the 3rd time since the end of june that repair has repaired, always the same files |
| 22:37.21 | Axodious | @project realid-toons |
| 22:37.23 | Repo | Axodious: http://www.wowace.com/addons/realid-toons/. RealID Toons. Game: WoW. Starinnia (Manager/Author). Updated: 42 minutes ago. Tickets: 1/13 |
| 22:38.03 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r582 / (2 files in 1 directory): anti-goldspam update |
| 22:40.27 | Gnarfoz | Axodious: your hdd might be dying? :D |
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| 22:42.44 | Repo | 10project-14588: 03INSOMNIAX * r49 / (3 files in 1 directory): RepTracker: |
| 22:42.45 | Repo | - Removed OnInitialize spam. |
| 22:42.46 | Repo | - Updated TOC |
| 22:49.27 | Repo | 10project-14588: 03INSOMNIAX 04v1.1.0 * r50 : Tagging as v1.1.0 |
| 22:55.54 | Repo | 10auto-toast (experimental): 03Tharai * r3 / (2 files in 1 directory): Add config menu |
| 22:56.36 | Repo | 10auto-toast (experimental): 03Tharai * r4 AutoToast.toc: Fix toc version |
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| 22:58.21 | Axodious | it looks like it's 3.3.5 that's causing it Gnarfoz |
| 22:58.31 | Axodious | started happening 4 days after it came out |
| 22:58.38 | Axodious | only 3 times though so i'm not worried |
| 22:58.57 | Axodious | wouldn't be surprised if it was crossfire |
| 22:59.00 | Axodious | causing it |
| 22:59.20 | Axodious | the crashes that is |
| 22:59.29 | Gnarfoz | what now |
| 22:59.39 | Gnarfoz | 3.3.5, crossfire, or maybe your harddisk ;p |
| 23:00.01 | Tharai | WTB someone to approve my new addon for non-experimental status |
| 23:00.03 | Gnarfoz | wow doesn't write to its data files, how would they be damaged by that? |
| 23:00.32 | Axodious | i've actually replaced my hard drive in between the repairs |
| 23:00.37 | Axodious | so i don't think it's that |
| 23:01.22 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r200 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 23:01.24 | Repo | --If you use timestamps, re-select it in the Blizzard options-- |
| 23:01.25 | Repo | channelnames: Only hook the first 5 chatframes instead of all 10, doubtful anything uses for /number channels |
| 23:01.26 | Repo | timestamp_customize: Allow people to remove coloring and still stamp lines Blizzard misses. |
| 23:01.27 | Repo | URLCopy: tweak |
| 23:01.45 | Axodious | @project basic-chat-mods |
| 23:01.46 | Repo | Axodious: http://www.wowace.com/addons/basic-chat-mods/. BasicChatMods. Game: WoW. funkydude (Manager/Author). Updated: 18 hours ago. Tickets: 3/3 |
| 23:01.59 | Funkeh` | tickets? |
| 23:02.04 | Funkeh` | ow shoudl check that |
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| 23:03.31 | Axodious | does the stick work for tells/realid? |
| 23:03.47 | Funkeh` | yes |
| 23:03.51 | Funkeh` | you can stick eevrything |
| 23:03.57 | Funkeh` | but those are stuck by default anyway |
| 23:04.12 | Axodious | i think i'll give that a try |
| 23:04.16 | Axodious | currently using phanxchat |
| 23:04.27 | Axodious | but he doesn't want to add chatcopy |
| 23:05.35 | Funkeh` | Axodious, erm, I mean without any chat mods installed |
| 23:05.39 | Funkeh` | whispers will be stuck |
| 23:06.14 | Funkeh` | I leave them stuck |
| 23:06.37 | Axodious | i didn't know that |
| 23:06.46 | Funkeh` | but ia dded a commented out line to amke it simple for people to unstick it |
| 23:07.11 | Funkeh` | gawd my typing sucks today |
| 23:11.10 | Axodious | found a small bug (at least on my client) |
| 23:11.26 | Axodious | in the combatlog tab the editbox is over the buttons to change filters |
| 23:11.31 | Axodious | it moves for whatever reason |
| 23:12.29 | Repo | 10auto-toast (experimental): 03Tharai * r5 AutoToast.toc: Fix repo settings |
| 23:12.35 | Axodious | it's related to the stupid im style |
| 23:13.09 | Funkeh` | eh |
| 23:13.21 | Funkeh` | the buttons to change filters are inside the chat frame |
| 23:13.28 | Funkeh` | the editbox is outside of the chatframe on top |
| 23:13.38 | Axodious | yeah the editbox is moving down on top of them when you have IM style enabled |
| 23:13.41 | Axodious | at least on my frame |
| 23:13.47 | Funkeh` | lolwut |
| 23:14.00 | Funkeh` | IM style sucks tbh |
| 23:14.01 | Axodious | (i just disabled im style) |
| 23:14.10 | Axodious | yeah i didn't know about it till i read that ticket |
| 23:14.11 | Axodious | heh |
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| 23:19.22 | Axodious | man |
| 23:19.24 | Axodious | thunderstorms |
| 23:19.26 | Axodious | for like 2 weeks |
| 23:19.55 | Axodious | thankfully this set seems to be cooling down the weather around here |
| 23:20.52 | ulic | any one on that can ginvite me in the US PvE guild? |
| 23:21.27 | nevcairiel | you need to specify faction |
| 23:22.58 | ulic | yes I do :) Alliance |
| 23:24.14 | Axodious | Funkeh` one quick question, how would i change channelnames.lua so it shows only the chat number instead of the abbreviations do i just replace them with %d? |
| 23:25.10 | Axodious | meh nvm, think i'll just keep it this way |
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| 23:56.03 | Repo | 10project-14588: 03INSOMNIAX * r51 .pkgmeta: RepTracker: |
| 23:56.05 | Repo | - Try initial support of -nolib version. |
| 23:57.39 | Adirelle | @describe project-14588 |
| 23:57.40 | Repo | Adirelle: http://www.wowace.com/addons/project-14588/. RepTracker (Reputation). Dynamically switches and remembers reputation to track by zone. |
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