| 00:00.34 | DWSR | What's the command for info about a project? |
| 00:00.37 | DWSR | ~info realid-toons |
| 00:00.44 | DWSR | God damnit. |
| 00:00.47 | DWSR | Shut up purl |
| 00:00.51 | DWSR | !info realid-toons |
| 00:01.22 | DWSR | !project realid-toons |
| 00:02.05 | Dessa | @project realid-toons |
| 00:02.05 | Repo | Dessa: http://www.wowace.com/addons/realid-toons/. RealID Toons. Game: WoW. Starinnia (Manager/Author). Updated: 30 minutes ago. Tickets: 1/12 |
| 00:02.09 | DWSR | Thank you |
| 00:02.17 | DWSR | I got it in whispers. |
| 00:02.17 | pompy | @describe realid-toons |
| 00:02.19 | Repo | pompy: http://www.wowace.com/addons/realid-toons/. RealID Toons. Adds the toon name to the alert that your RealID friend has come online. |
| 00:02.24 | DWSR | Can't remember which fucking trigger is for which bot. |
| 00:02.33 | DWSR | @ is repo, ~ is purl, ! is lua_bot. |
| 00:02.40 | DWSR | And bat_bot does barewords and !. |
| 00:02.49 | DWSR | It gets effing stupid up in the hizzur. |
| 00:16.46 | Gnarfoz | you just seem to have trouble memorising three simple things |
| 00:17.48 | DWSR | purl's universal to freenode, so that one's easy to remember. I use Repo probably once every 2 months. |
| 00:17.56 | DWSR | And the de facto standard trigger is !. |
| 00:23.56 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal 07master * 2.0-rc1-46-ga4906b0 Frame.lua: [+1 commit] Removed 3.3.3 backward-compatibility code. |
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| 00:33.14 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * 0.6.10b / (4 files in 3 directories): [+6 commits] (2 truncated) |
| 00:33.19 | Repo | 5016cdc: fix lib:GetBossLootByDifficulties function |
| 00:33.20 | Repo | 6b194cc: some more boss name fixes |
| 00:33.21 | Repo | 469726d: rerun miner |
| 00:33.23 | Repo | d60aa4b: change some more boss names from chest name to boss name |
| 00:33.30 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 040.6.10b * 50c03f4 /: [new tag] Tagging as 0.6.10b |
| 00:33.49 | Gnarfoz | the de facto standard for Repo is @. |
| 00:48.40 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * 0.6.10b-1-g3afd1de Libs/LibInstanceLootData-1.0/lib.lua: [+1 commit] fix for battle ground issue |
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| 02:28.08 | Repo | 10nanotalk: 03Torhal * r32 / (3 files in 2 directories): Fixed Lua errors by re-writing tooltip-handling code. |
| 02:28.10 | Repo | Changed to use LibQTip-1.0 instead of LibQTipClick-1.1. |
| 02:28.11 | Repo | Updated embedded LibDataBroker-1.1. |
| 02:29.09 | Repo | 10nanotalk: 03Torhal 043.3.5-1.6.3 * r33 : Tagging as 3.3.5-1.6.3 |
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| 02:34.34 | vhaarr | holy shit when was LDB updated |
| 02:34.56 | vhaarr | 2008-11-06, lol |
| 02:35.06 | vhaarr | and we still have an old version in bigwigs and stuff, jeez |
| 02:35.55 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7518 Libs/LibDataBroker-1.1/LibDataBroker-1.1.lua: Update LDB11 to 2008-11-06. |
| 02:37.12 | Torhal | Heh, aye |
| 02:37.46 | Arrowmaster | this is why i hate hard embedding |
| 02:37.55 | Repo | 10libdbicon-1-0: 03Rabbit * r13 / (3 files in 3 directories): Update hard embeds. |
| 02:38.05 | vhaarr | well we don't really have a choice with LDB |
| 02:38.10 | vhaarr | same with CBH as well |
| 02:38.27 | Arrowmaster | you dont really need it in libdbicon-1.0 |
| 02:38.35 | Torhal | Actually, you can get LDB from github in .pkgmeta |
| 02:38.44 | Torhal | I just never changed nanoTalk to do so. |
| 02:38.58 | Repo | 10closet-gnome: 03Rabbit * r621 libs/LibDataBroker-1.1/LibDataBroker-1.1.lua: Update LDB. |
| 02:39.04 | Arrowmaster | if you do that you should disable nolib's |
| 02:39.07 | vhaarr | Torhal: that won't fix anything |
| 02:39.09 | vhaarr | exactly |
| 02:39.10 | Torhal | True |
| 02:39.25 | Arrowmaster | which is perfectly fine and probably the best solution for libraries anyway |
| 02:39.32 | Arrowmaster | no reason for libraries to have nolib's |
| 02:41.03 | Repo | 10banana-dkp: 03Rabbit * r163 libs/ (2 files in 2 directories): Update hard embeds. |
| 02:41.43 | Repo | 10blockoland: 03Rabbit * r11 libs/LibDataBroker-1.1/LibDataBroker-1.1.lua: Update LDB. |
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| 03:00.13 | Kilroo1 | Oh. |
| 03:01.38 | Kilroo1 | Egh...I don't feel like downgrading my kernel tonight, not when I only just today found out that I could upgrade to a kernel newer than 2.6.31 and still have nvidia work with more than two monitors. |
| 03:12.16 | steevdave | er |
| 03:12.30 | steevdave | what distro do you run? |
| 03:12.30 | Kilroo1 | gonomics |
| 03:12.33 | Kilroo1 | Arch. |
| 03:12.46 | steevdave | i see |
| 03:13.48 | Kilroo1 | I just found the relevant information about 3.3.5 + 2.6.34 = fail. |
| 03:15.39 | Wobin | wouldn't it be 5.9.84? |
| 03:15.43 | Torhal | Only problem I have is logging in. |
| 03:15.53 | Torhal | I sometimes have to try ~4 times before it stops crashing |
| 03:16.18 | Kilroo1 | Wobin.points++ |
| 03:17.24 | Kilroo1 | ...The problem is intermittent? That's interesting. I got it three times and went looking for a solution. I wasn't expecting "downgrade or recompile with this patch" to be my options. |
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| 03:25.48 | steevdave | eh? |
| 03:25.58 | steevdave | i use 2.6.34 and 3.3.5 with no issues on buntu at work |
| 03:26.03 | steevdave | on an 8800 |
| 03:26.08 | steevdave | so whatever nvidia drivers it uses |
| 03:26.31 | vhaarr | yeah it depends a bit on the wine version, nvidia driver version and xorg version |
| 03:26.39 | vhaarr | basically to play it safe, run with 2.6.32 |
| 03:27.09 | Kilroo1 | The problem I was talking about started back around kernel 2.6.32.2 and nvidia 190.42 |
| 03:27.32 | vhaarr | after 195.xx I think |
| 03:27.48 | Kilroo1 | apparently something was fouled up with the xinerama support; with more than two monitors set up, I would crash without fail when trying to move the mouse pointer from one xinerama screen to another. |
| 03:27.58 | vhaarr | ah then it's a different issue |
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| 03:28.04 | Repo | 10smartres2: 03myrroddin * r143 SmartRes2.lua: |
| 03:28.06 | Repo | missed something in the revert in r142... still reverted, but fixed |
| 03:28.10 | Kilroo1 | I'd given up on it for a while and stuck with kernel 2.6.31 until I decided to try it again today. |
| 03:28.58 | Kilroo1 | So...finally got to upgrade my kernel...then decided to go back to WoW for a while and found out the advice for getting 3.3.5a to work is either install a kernel patch or downgrade to 2.6.32. |
| 03:29.20 | Kilroo1 | Irritating, though certainly far from the end of the world. |
| 03:30.16 | vhaarr | that's what you get when you use obscure windows APIs that noone else touches, like blizzard introduced with bnet |
| 03:30.45 | Kilroo1 | I suppose. |
| 03:30.47 | vhaarr | some forgotten part of wine which implements it touches a forgotten part of the kernel and noone noticed it was broken for like 2 years |
| 03:31.07 | Kilroo1 | Unfortunately, UI customization in DDO is a lot less fun than in WoW. |
| 03:32.01 | Kilroo1 | Little late in the evening to start trying to get LuaJ to work on Google App Engine |
| 03:32.20 | Kilroo1 | I think I'll have a bowl of ice cream and contemplate installing kernel26-git. |
| 03:32.26 | vhaarr | doesn't even know what DDO stands for |
| 03:32.29 | vhaarr | am I out of touch? |
| 03:32.30 | vhaarr | :( |
| 03:32.38 | Kilroo1 | Dungeons and Dragons Online. |
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| 03:32.59 | vhaarr | that's your fault then, that would be D&D:O! |
| 03:33.08 | vhaarr | which I would have recognized instantly |
| 03:33.35 | Shadowed | Keep in mind, WoW addons were pretty awful to make back in classic :p |
| 03:33.44 | vhaarr | I wonder if the latest ubuntu maverick kernel has the required patch |
| 03:33.56 | vhaarr | some might argue they're still pretty awful |
| 03:34.05 | Kilroo1 | I would be somewhat impressed if it did. |
| 03:34.10 | Shadowed | well |
| 03:34.25 | Kilroo1 | Well...perhaps impressed isn't the right word for it. |
| 03:34.29 | Shadowed | They are still a bit of a bitch, but they are leaps and bounds better compared to classic |
| 03:34.36 | vhaarr | that is true |
| 03:34.56 | quiescens | moo |
| 03:35.28 | Torhal | Shadowed: I toyed with making some AddOns for RoM, then realized I was spoiled by WoW's CreateFrame() and non-required XML. |
| 03:35.29 | quiescens | moo? |
| 03:35.34 | Shadowed | yea |
| 03:35.53 | Shadowed | Combat log change and the ability to CreateFrame are probably the two major changes that people use that make addons a lot easier |
| 03:35.55 | Groktar | check out my pro alt |
| 03:35.59 | Groktar | he hit 80 yesterday |
| 03:35.59 | Groktar | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&cn=Trashdk |
| 03:36.03 | Torhal | gags quiescens with a cheeseburger. |
| 03:36.13 | vhaarr | I wonder why gmail serves me ads like "Spam Hashbrown Bake - Serves 8"@http://www.recipesource.com/main-dishes/meat/pork/spam/00/rec0030.html |
| 03:36.29 | Kilroo1 | I should get my kernel patched and all my addons updated and put in some actual playing time. |
| 03:36.47 | quiescens | ): |
| 03:36.53 | Kilroo1 | Who knows, I might get my main up to level 55 before my current subscription runs out in October. |
| 03:37.27 | Torhal | Less QQ, more pew-pew. |
| 03:37.27 | quiescens | don't do it |
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| 03:40.10 | Groktar | hehe |
| 03:43.18 | Kilroo1 | Forget pew-pew. We should all be grokking tar. Not gonna grok itself. Lazy stinkin' tar. |
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| 03:43.40 | Kilroo1 | goes to get that ice cream. |
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| 03:43.52 | Kilroo1 | oh wait |
| 03:44.08 | Kilroo1 | Empire Strikes Back is about to get to Han's quick-change routine |
| 03:44.30 | Kilroo1 | where he keeps putting his vest on and off with his hands cuffed behind his back before he gets frozen |
| 03:44.34 | Kilroo1 | I'll watch that first. |
| 03:47.08 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 04:18.07 | steevdave | actually got to LK in the 10 man that i heal |
| 04:19.32 | quiescens | no wai |
| 04:20.02 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03ananhaid * r7519 / (4 files in 2 directories): BigWigs: |
| 04:20.04 | Repo | - zhCN/zhTW update. |
| 04:22.43 | steevdave | srsly |
| 04:22.44 | steevdave | its annoying |
| 04:22.52 | steevdave | spent the past 15 mins or so explaining the fight |
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| 05:06.27 | Repo | 10smartres2: 03myrroddin * r144 SmartRes2.lua: Random message removal is now a drop down menu. |
| 05:06.29 | Repo | Added middle click to launch test bars via LDB launcher. |
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| 05:36.12 | Repo | 10lib-stonegui (experimental): 03zys924 * r16 / (5 files in 3 directories): Add widget "ComboBox" in "ComboBox.lua" |
| 05:36.14 | Repo | Some minor changes |
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| 05:46.15 | asmodai | I love alt tabbing wow in 7 |
| 05:46.27 | asmodai | and then tab back only to see the textures still needing to be loaded |
| 05:46.33 | asmodai | Some funny sights that way :) |
| 05:46.39 | Fisker | asmodai |
| 05:46.40 | Primer | windowed mode? |
| 05:46.44 | Fisker | i had sex with your windows |
| 05:46.48 | Primer | windowed, but full screen |
| 05:47.00 | Primer | and it should be fine |
| 05:50.10 | Shirik | hi Fisker |
| 05:51.49 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 05:51.56 | Fisker | what are you doing here? |
| 05:52.14 | Shirik | I'm always here |
| 05:52.17 | Shirik | stalking you |
| 05:52.20 | Shirik | waiting to strike |
| 05:52.22 | Shirik | you cannot hide from me |
| 05:53.53 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal 07master * 2.0-rc1-48-g3f1019d / (4 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 05:53.55 | Repo | 3f1019d: Added a configurable (1-50) maximum for the number of unknown recipes to be shown in vendor/trainer/mob tooltips. |
| 05:53.56 | Repo | f1ff77e: Pressing the "Reset Window Position" button from the Display Options now works immediately. |
| 05:54.15 | Torhal | asmodai: You didn't ticket it, but I added it anyway. Damn you. |
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| 05:58.51 | Fisker | Torhal |
| 05:58.52 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 05:59.14 | asmodai | eh? |
| 05:59.23 | asmodai | Torhal: What didn't I do |
| 05:59.35 | asmodai | ah |
| 05:59.43 | asmodai | Torhal: Sorry, actually forgot to ticket it |
| 06:01.41 | Torhal | asmodai: I figured :D |
| 06:01.45 | asmodai | Torhal: Did you encounter it yourself? :) |
| 06:02.05 | Torhal | asmodai: No, happened to be messing with some config code and I remembered you had mentioned it. |
| 06:02.14 | asmodai | So sweet that you thought of me. |
| 06:02.16 | Torhal | Fisker: Your daughter. She kick my dog. |
| 06:02.19 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:02.21 | asmodai | I'm now a happy camper. |
| 06:02.35 | Torhal | asmodai: It defaults to 10, at the moment. |
| 06:03.45 | asmodai | snipes Fisker from his camping spot |
| 06:04.15 | asmodai | cool |
| 06:04.22 | Repo | 10gridstatusdistance: 03slaren * r3 GridStatusDistance.lua: |
| 06:04.23 | Repo | - Added support for different colors depending on the distance |
| 06:04.24 | Repo | - Changed defaults: refresh time is now 15 fps, maximum distance is 20 yards |
| 06:04.28 | asmodai | that will save me from the 30+ my shaman sees with jewelcrafting :) |
| 06:04.58 | asmodai | makes clicking the NPC quite the challenge |
| 06:06.50 | Repo | 10gridstatusdistance: 03slaren 04v0.9 * r4 : Tagging as v0.9 |
| 06:07.21 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:07.31 | Torhal | Ok. Time to get three hours of sleep before work. Bleargh. |
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| 06:42.52 | Primer | those special frames for loot ship and blood princes no longer show up |
| 06:42.58 | Primer | anyone know how to make them return? |
| 06:44.17 | Shefki | Primer: You have Chinchilla installed? |
| 06:45.26 | Xinhuan | you could start disabling addons |
| 06:45.47 | Shefki | It's probably Chinchilla, believe it's hiding them by default now. |
| 06:46.39 | Primer | yes |
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| 06:47.11 | Shefki | Veryify that boss is turned on in the ShowHide module of Chinchilla. |
| 06:50.13 | Primer | ahh thanks |
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| 07:01.00 | Repo | 10elkfactions: 03Elkano * r4 / (2 files in 1 directory): fixed posting to chat frame for 3.3.5 |
| 07:01.45 | Repo | 10fubar_factionsfu: 03Elkano * r81 / (2 files in 1 directory): fixed posting to chat frame for 3.3.5 |
| 07:01.48 | Repo | also committing some stuff cherry picked from ElkFactions |
| 07:03.47 | Repo | 10smartmount: 03akazik * r107 SmartMount.lua: SmartMount: |
| 07:03.49 | Repo | - fixed X-53 Touring Rocket (ticket #70) |
| 07:04.33 | Antiarc | ROFL |
| 07:04.34 | Antiarc | holy hell |
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| 07:04.38 | Antiarc | I dinged 80->81 |
| 07:04.44 | Antiarc | And my crit chance went from 78% to 53% |
| 07:05.11 | Shefki | Antiarc: Ownt. :P |
| 07:05.12 | harl | hi |
| 07:06.49 | Repo | 10smartmount: 03akazik 04v3.3-b108 * r108 : Tagging as v3.3-b108 |
| 07:07.29 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 07cataclysm * r2720 / (15 files in 6 directories): more Constants cleanup |
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| 07:42.56 | Repo | Make random res message removal drop down menu double width |
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| 07:50.24 | asmodai | Antiarc: Oh you got lucky with the beta? |
| 07:50.50 | Kalroth | Antiarc never gets lucky, he gets even! |
| 07:50.59 | asmodai | Even if he's odd? |
| 07:51.08 | Kalroth | Even when he's odd. |
| 07:53.16 | steevdave | woo |
| 07:53.25 | steevdave | doing raf with my roommate and his girlfriend |
| 07:54.47 | asmodai | should've done it with Midsummer Festival |
| 07:54.53 | asmodai | additional 10% on top of the RaF |
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| 08:11.49 | harl | with Firefox's disk caching disabled, FF+profile completely residing on a RAMdisk and just about 10 tabs opened, why the hell does it sometimes still need about 15 seconds to Quit/Exit ?! |
| 08:12.10 | Primer | dealocatting swap? |
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| 08:17.53 | harl | that should be like.. lightning fast? |
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| 08:18.58 | Kalroth | should it? |
| 08:19.26 | Kalroth | Do you have any plugins installed? |
| 08:19.34 | harl | as long as there isn't anything else putting Firefox's requests on-hold, like the operating system's memory management or something |
| 08:19.51 | harl | yes, i do have a bunch of extensions and plugins installed |
| 08:19.56 | Shefki | You're assuming that they optomized closing it. |
| 08:20.02 | Pucmel | hmm xmarks or some other sync me addon ? |
| 08:20.18 | Shefki | I suspect that most people don't sit around timing how long it takes to close an app, vs people timing load up time. |
| 08:20.21 | harl | no there's to syncing whatever |
| 08:20.25 | harl | to=no |
| 08:21.23 | harl | yeah, shefki, but how long could it take to save a few kilobytes really and then deallocate the rest of it without saving any of it. i wouldn't think longer than 3 seconds. |
| 08:21.30 | mitch0 | harl: kill -9 will make it go in a swoosh :) |
| 08:21.40 | harl | yeah |
| 08:21.43 | Adirelle|work | btw, firefox sync > xmarks |
| 08:21.58 | mitch0 | also, don't use firefox. |
| 08:22.47 | Kalroth | i agree msie is better than firefox |
| 08:23.18 | Shefki | harl: Have Flash installed? |
| 08:23.41 | Kalroth | opera or chrome or safari are shit though, people only use them because they dont want to be mainstream |
| 08:23.54 | harl | slaps Kalroth around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:24.04 | Shefki | Kalroth: How exactly is Chrome shit? |
| 08:24.06 | harl | thanks for the cynism |
| 08:24.15 | mitch0 | shefki: obvious troll is obvious |
| 08:24.20 | Kalroth | i was merely following up on mitch0 |
| 08:24.22 | Adirelle|work | 's wondering how much serious Kalroth is. |
| 08:24.23 | harl | Shefki: yes, there's a flash plugin installed (the .dll) |
| 08:24.38 | Shefki | harl: Disable it, see if it changes anything. |
| 08:25.02 | harl | ok. can only disable that by moving the file |
| 08:28.34 | harl | ok, now the thing is, whether i have the flash plugin included or not, doesn't seem to matter because it just loads and unloads in 2-4 seconds now |
| 08:29.07 | Kalroth | so where did the other 11-13 seconds go? |
| 08:29.09 | harl | but i guess after using FF for a while it seems to get clogged up in some way |
| 08:29.34 | Kalroth | yeah, thats what people said, deallocate and cleanup takes time |
| 08:30.08 | Shefki | I've found that a lot of times when Firefox doesn't want to close for me it's a stuck instance of Flash. |
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| 08:30.24 | Kalroth | Use 3.6 and kill the flash process! |
| 08:30.33 | harl | *sigh* |
| 08:30.58 | Shefki | Kalroth: Or you could do what I did and switch to Chrome which fixed that ages before Firefox. |
| 08:31.10 | Kalroth | Shefki: And you call me a troll. :) |
| 08:31.17 | Shefki | I did not. |
| 08:31.20 | asmodai | points at Fisker |
| 08:31.23 | Shefki | But you're clearly trolling now. |
| 08:31.23 | asmodai | there's only one True Troll |
| 08:31.49 | Kalroth | hint: saying "you can fix <product Y> by switching to <product X>" is trolling |
| 08:32.10 | asmodai | Not in the case of McAfee or Norton |
| 08:32.36 | Kalroth | No, then you say "you can fix McAfee by using -anything- else, even Notepad is better" |
| 08:32.43 | Shefki | Kalroth: Trolling is mostly about intent not content. |
| 08:32.51 | Kalroth | Wrong |
| 08:32.58 | Shefki | If you attempt to define trolling by content you're doing it wrong. |
| 08:33.04 | harl | guess i could just quit FF when i feel that it won't be needed for a while, but it's kind of adding to the discomfort. |
| 08:33.15 | Kalroth | You know what they say about good intentions |
| 08:33.27 | harl | 3.6.3 already |
| 08:33.39 | asmodai | Adirelle|work: xmarks rocks |
| 08:33.40 | Shefki | Trolling is about trying to get a reaction, stating your opinion without caring what peopel think or how they respond doesn't qualify as trolling. |
| 08:33.51 | asmodai | Adirelle|work: Especially since it's across browsers as well. |
| 08:33.55 | Shefki | That of course doesn't mean it won't be mistaken as trolling, but it's not trolling. |
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| 08:33.59 | asmodai | Adirelle|work: My only wish is the password sync support on, say, Chrome |
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| 08:34.15 | Kalroth | Shefki: And which reaction do you think "Firefox sux lol, us Chrom" will get you? :) |
| 08:34.23 | Shefki | I didn't say that. |
| 08:34.25 | asmodai | harl: why not move to 3.6.7? |
| 08:34.31 | Adirelle|work | asmodai, I felt in love with the history syncing of firefox sync |
| 08:34.39 | Shefki | You've now put words in my mouth twice in this discussion. |
| 08:34.43 | Shefki | You're on ignore now. |
| 08:34.46 | asmodai | Adirelle|work: For me, open tab synching :) |
| 08:35.07 | asmodai | always has a shitload of tabs open :S |
| 08:35.08 | Kalroth | Not the ignore, now you've won! |
| 08:35.23 | asmodai | Mmm, 3.6.7 is being downloaded by my browser now it seems |
| 08:35.39 | harl | asmodai: i can only see 3.6.6 on their page, didn't even know it was there. |
| 08:36.07 | Kalroth | I can't stand starting the browser with a ton of tabs, I do however use it at work with like 3-4 company pages :) |
| 08:36.48 | asmodai | harl: I noticed under my Help menu that it was downloading 3.6.7 |
| 08:36.51 | Pucmel | hmmm chrome ... as long as there is no real noscript/flashblock/adblock :( |
| 08:36.59 | asmodai | http://www.mozilla.com/en-GB/firefox/3.6.7/whatsnew/ isn't even up yet |
| 08:37.15 | Kalroth | Pucmel: Yup, Chrome seems nice, but it is rather lacking in the plugin department |
| 08:37.17 | asmodai | oh hey, it's a beta? o_ |
| 08:37.21 | Shefki | Pucmel: You can turn off javascript and plugins and enable thhem only on specific sites. |
| 08:37.22 | asmodai | o_O |
| 08:37.27 | Shefki | Pucmel: That functionality is built in. |
| 08:37.34 | Pucmel | yes, but it sucks |
| 08:37.35 | Kalroth | Pucmel: And a proper adblock isn't available with current Chrome API |
| 08:37.40 | Pucmel | you cant compare it with noscript |
| 08:37.40 | Shefki | How does it suck? |
| 08:38.00 | Kalroth | Noscript is preemptive, Chrome blocks after loading |
| 08:38.08 | Pucmel | well i dont want to block xxx.yyy.com but yyy.com only for example |
| 08:38.11 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.14 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.16 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.28 | Adirelle|work | ^^ |
| 08:38.31 | Adirelle|work | so appealing |
| 08:38.31 | Kalroth | asmodai: At least they're being honest :) |
| 08:38.49 | harl | are they? |
| 08:38.54 | harl | how do you know |
| 08:38.59 | Shefki | Pucmel: Umm Chrome supports patterns for that. What do you need that you can't do with a pattern. |
| 08:39.01 | Kalroth | how do you know they aren't |
| 08:39.05 | harl | right. |
| 08:40.01 | Pucmel | Shefki: yes, but i want one button to do it :( some noscript like dialog with sites with javascript on this page etc |
| 08:40.34 | Shefki | Pucmel: There's a button on the location bar if you have javascript/plugins turned off and the site wants to use them. |
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| 08:40.35 | asmodai | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20status1.9.2%3A.7-fixed quite some fixes :| |
| 08:40.39 | Shefki | You click that and can turn it on. |
| 08:41.54 | Pucmel | Shefki: http://software.informaction.com/data/noscript/ss0.png |
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| 08:42.11 | Repo | 2c1d8b5: Reordered library order. |
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| 08:42.40 | Shefki | Pucmel: Yeah so? There's nothing you can't acheive there with the built in support. |
| 08:42.42 | Pucmel | Shefki: its all or nothing in chrome by default |
| 08:42.49 | Shefki | NO IT IS NOT. |
| 08:42.56 | Kalroth | haha |
| 08:43.00 | Shefki | Have you been paying attention to a word I'm saying? |
| 08:43.13 | Kalroth | Soon he'll .. ignore you! |
| 08:44.45 | Shefki | Pucmel: http://files.shefki.org/javascript.png |
| 08:45.31 | Kalroth | And what about opening up tempoary? |
| 08:45.35 | Pucmel | ok |
| 08:45.43 | Kalroth | Temporarily |
| 08:45.45 | Pucmel | Shefki: so http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9049/dialog.png |
| 08:46.10 | Kalroth | (incoming "why would you want to do that" story!) |
| 08:46.23 | Shefki | What about it? |
| 08:46.51 | Pucmel | well i dont want to allow everything from that page .. but cnn.com only |
| 08:47.00 | Pucmel | can i do it in chrome ? |
| 08:47.08 | asmodai | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ÑÑ |
| 08:47.15 | Repo | 10castyeller2: 03Adirelle * r99 modules/Sink_LibSink.lua: Stop messing with LibSink internals. |
| 08:47.46 | asmodai | www.mоÑкваÌ.ÑÑ anyone |
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| 08:48.35 | Kalroth | say again, asmodai, i had to enable utf8! |
| 08:48.38 | asmodai | oh man, Google already has ~36000 results for that TLD |
| 08:48.39 | Repo | 10castyeller2: 03Adirelle 04v1.1-beta-5 * r100 : Tagging as v1.1-beta-5 |
| 08:48.45 | asmodai | .ÑÑ |
| 08:48.57 | asmodai | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3A.ÑÑ&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 08:49.37 | Kalroth | hah |
| 08:50.44 | Shefki | Pucmel: No I susppose you can't be that specific with Chrome. |
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| 08:50.59 | Shefki | Pucmel: Chrome limits based on the requested URL not the location of the script. |
| 08:51.08 | Pucmel | Shefki: i see :( |
| 08:53.04 | Pucmel | scammers heaven inc 0.o |
| 08:53.17 | Pucmel | localized tlds o.0 |
| 08:53.33 | Shefki | Pucmel: Old news, there's already solutions to that problem. |
| 08:53.51 | Shefki | Pucmel: And pretty much every major browser already has the limitations impelemented. |
| 08:54.27 | Pucmel | you mean ie6 ? major browser in enterprises atm :) |
| 08:54.28 | Kalroth | Pucmel: Why is a domain name you can't read worse than a domain name you can read? In terms of scamming anyways :) |
| 08:55.14 | Shefki | IE6 doesn't support converting punny code as far as I know. |
| 08:56.25 | Shefki | Hell punycode doesn't appear to have even been invented yet when IE6 was released. |
| 08:56.26 | Pucmel | hmmm http://mashable.com/2010/01/01/idn-phishing/ |
| 08:56.37 | Kalroth | IDN isn't implemented until MSIE7, you have to use a plugin for it in MSIE 6 |
| 08:57.02 | Pucmel | but there are some papers on icann idd |
| 08:57.03 | Shefki | Pucmel: Those characters are implemented by encoding them in punny code which is just normal ascii. |
| 08:57.17 | Shefki | That's still all the DNS system actually supports. |
| 08:57.31 | Shefki | Then the punny code is displayed as Unicode by applications that support it. |
| 08:57.39 | Shefki | IE6 is too old to know anything about that. |
| 08:57.43 | Pucmel | i know i know |
| 08:57.49 | Shefki | So it'll just display a garbage looking ascii string for the URL. |
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| 08:58.08 | Pucmel | but ppl are stupid enough to click on fake urls in emails now |
| 08:58.15 | Pucmel | and idn will make it worse imo |
| 09:00.31 | asmodai | Mmm, maybe and maybe not |
| 09:00.42 | asmodai | they already have a lot of duplicate characters filtered out and such |
| 09:01.14 | Shefki | Pucmel: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/idn-in-google-chrome |
| 09:01.30 | Shefki | Pucmel: Includes links/documentation of what other browsers as well as what Chrome does. |
| 09:01.46 | Pucmel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack |
| 09:02.09 | Pucmel | hmm we will see anyway |
| 09:02.57 | asmodai | it could be worse: |
| 09:03.10 | Shefki | Pucmel: The problem with any real implementation of a homograph attack is: |
| 09:03.24 | Shefki | a) Few pieces os software actually support IDN at this point. |
| 09:03.37 | Shefki | b) Those that does have countermeasures, different countermeasures. |
| 09:03.41 | asmodai | http://جÙاز-اÙإتصاÙات.Ù
صر (aka http://xn----vmcebbatck5dvb7me6a.xn--wgbh1c ) |
| 09:03.50 | Pucmel | i worry about outlook (express) and other muas mostly ... not browsers |
| 09:04.13 | Shefki | I don't think any MUA supports IDN yet. |
| 09:04.29 | Adirelle|work | is surprised that win32 x-chat succesuffly displayed that string |
| 09:04.41 | Kalroth | Adirelle|work: And I could click on it as well :p |
| 09:04.50 | Kalroth | (and it opened the proper page too!) |
| 09:05.12 | Pucmel | unicode |
| 09:05.18 | asmodai | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4952 |
| 09:05.22 | asmodai | Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email |
| 09:05.24 | Adirelle|work | hrm, my xchat is opened for too long to open it (some kind of win32 bug) |
| 09:05.38 | Adirelle|work | but copyin it in FF works |
| 09:05.55 | Pucmel | most email traffic these days is in unicode |
| 09:06.07 | asmodai | http://www.aptld.org/beijing2009/docs/108%20-%20IDN%20Emails.pdf |
| 09:06.29 | asmodai | ç¨æ·@ä¸å½äºèç½ç»ä¿¡æ¯ä¸å¿.cn <-- nice example :) |
| 09:06.31 | Shefki | That doesn't automatically allow an IDN address to work. |
| 09:06.40 | Pucmel | idd |
| 09:06.49 | asmodai | First step is/was DNS, that's taken care of. |
| 09:07.19 | asmodai | The domain part has been addressed by IDNA[RFC3490] |
| 09:07.29 | asmodai | The <local-part> portion are restricted to a subset of ASCII. |
| 09:07.50 | Shefki | asmodai: Not all of the registers support those restrictions yet. |
| 09:08.00 | Shefki | asmodai: That still needs to be fixed. |
| 09:08.08 | Shefki | Thus the application level countermeasures. |
| 09:08.13 | Pucmel | icann allowed it .. but national registrators dont have to |
| 09:08.39 | asmodai | Shefki: True, but it's hard putting the cat back in the bag now though. |
| 09:08.44 | harl | a few days ago, on my parents' box, an adobe page pointed out that there was an important update of some kind. my mom seems to have let it in. checked back just now, all this 'update' has done was adding an 'Adobe DLM' (=Download Manager) to both windows and FF. wth. |
| 09:08.53 | Pucmel | there is big fight about idn in .cz for example :) |
| 09:09.23 | Kalroth | Yeah, I'm not fond of the Adobe DLM either |
| 09:09.41 | Pucmel | hmm they are pushing adobe dlm with everything now |
| 09:09.58 | asmodai | You can't stop it anyway. If South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and China are already moving, you can bet your ass India, Thailand and some other Asian countries will implement it as well. So it means if we like to keep doing business our infrastructure also needs to be upgraded, whether we will utilize it ourselves or not. |
| 09:10.10 | Pucmel | even flash (nonactivex) |
| 09:10.20 | harl | i haven't been needing any download manager to update my flash, shockwave, reader, ps, premiere, whatever adobe program there is i've used |
| 09:10.47 | Kalroth | Well with the amount of exploits in Adobes products, its a good idea |
| 09:10.48 | harl | why would they want me to use a proprietary dlm for it |
| 09:11.08 | Shefki | harl: So they can bundle more crap. |
| 09:11.13 | harl | lol, yea |
| 09:11.38 | Kalroth | I like how they try to sucker you into installing McAfee as default when you update flash |
| 09:12.24 | asmodai | MICROSOFT is planning to implement EAI in its new version of windows products |
| 09:14.16 | Shefki | Ultimately, any application that wants to support IDN needs to be updated to add it and can gain the countermeasures for spoofing at the same time. |
| 09:14.17 | harl | i want O and U as well then |
| 09:14.47 | harl | maybe call it AEIOU |
| 09:14.57 | harl | o0 |
| 09:15.21 | Shefki | I doubt very many massively popular applications will neglect that and if they do they'll be nailed to the wall quickly by security people. |
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| 09:16.16 | Kalroth | harl: what about Y?! |
| 09:17.11 | Pucmel | http://www.idnnow.com/ |
| 09:17.24 | harl | Kalroth: Y is cool, but i think it's too switchy and waggly to get along with the other 5 |
| 09:17.44 | Kalroth | poor Y, always questioned |
| 09:17.52 | harl | ;) |
| 09:19.47 | asmodai | heh |
| 09:20.05 | asmodai | I see what you did there. |
| 09:20.33 | Kalroth | :P |
| 09:22.49 | Kalroth | So did anyone see the fun ebaum/4chan had on youtube yesterday? :) |
| 09:26.13 | Adirelle|work | can't get how the threshold is calculated in Generalized variable-length integer representation |
| 09:29.48 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_system#Generalized_variable-length_integers I read what they write, but I'm not sure how to read it :) |
| 09:30.01 | Kalroth | er, understand it |
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| 10:30.58 | Repo | 10free-refills: 03mikk * r99 FreeRefills.lua: |
| 10:31.00 | Repo | Sort the output of "/fr list" for nutters like me that have 20+ items in it. |
| 10:32.12 | Repo | 10free-refills: 03mikk 04r99-release * r100 : Tagging as r99-release |
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| 10:33.53 | asmodai | Mikk: I was glad that the time I made a booboo with freerefills, my bagspace only had 3-4 empty spots left. |
| 10:34.07 | asmodai | Mikk: /fr addstack [item] 20 doesn't help >_< |
| 10:39.50 | Fisker | asmodai |
| 10:39.53 | Fisker | i will harm you |
| 10:40.01 | Fisker | do you understand? |
| 10:41.23 | asmodai | Yes, but do I care? |
| 10:42.17 | Fisker | why wouldnt't you care about being harmed? |
| 10:42.48 | asmodai | Barking dogs don't bite. |
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| 10:43.27 | Fisker | they do actually |
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| 11:06.29 | Mikk | barking dogs are annoying |
| 11:06.40 | Mikk | if they're properly chained i usually stare them down |
| 11:06.41 | Mikk | =P |
| 11:07.14 | Mikk | somehow it gives me great personal satisfaction to see them whimper off with their tails between their legs |
| 11:11.14 | Megalon | with emphasis on "if they're properly chained" |
| 11:11.54 | Megalon | a bit like "I would so discuss with you, if you aren't allowed to argue" |
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| 11:22.30 | asmodai | Mikk: But freerefills: cool addon ^^ |
| 11:22.37 | asmodai | So, we need to chain Fisker? |
| 11:22.51 | Mikk | not mine mind you - i'm just maintaining it |
| 11:23.00 | Mikk | (= i pretty much rewrote it 100% but it looks the same :P) |
| 11:23.39 | Fisker | slaps Megalon around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:25.00 | asmodai | Mikk: heh, well, it's still a cool idea |
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| 11:30.49 | vhaarr | hm didn't I rewrite it before that? |
| 11:31.13 | vhaarr | or perhaps it was just some fixes |
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| 12:45.30 | kagaro | Noooooooooo 2 drives failed in my raid last night |
| 12:45.42 | Kalroth | :( |
| 12:46.56 | kagaro | thank goodness i run raid6 |
| 12:47.59 | Kalroth | i like living on the edge, i run raid0 |
| 12:49.04 | kagaro | 2 drives failed at once == the bad |
| 12:49.28 | Kalroth | how are you punishing them to make them fail like that |
| 12:49.33 | Kalroth | or are they just old |
| 12:49.42 | Kalroth | well, old or seagate? :P |
| 12:50.01 | kagaro | its a 15 drive array |
| 12:50.15 | kagaro | 15TB storage, with 6TB in use |
| 12:50.34 | kagaro | sequential serial numbers on the drive I bought a case from samsung |
| 12:50.42 | Kalroth | oh |
| 12:50.55 | kagaro | they got hundreds of hours on them |
| 12:51.01 | Kalroth | let me guess, 1 day past the warrenty |
| 12:51.42 | kagaro | they have 556 days of poweron time |
| 12:51.56 | kagaro | 1.5 years |
| 12:52.12 | kagaro | i should have bought the extended warranty |
| 12:52.20 | kagaro | 1 yr is what i had on them |
| 12:52.24 | Kalroth | I guess a raid might be more taxing than normal use |
| 12:56.12 | kagaro | i ordered new drives to reaplce them, be here wednsday, after i swap them out ill call samsung for RMA |
| 12:56.57 | Kalroth | wont RMA just swap them, e.g. you'll have an extra pair then |
| 12:57.08 | kagaro | i would rather have extra spares |
| 12:57.15 | Kalroth | alright :) |
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| 14:06.25 | Repo | c2b4a60: Fix for channel names when blizz timestamps are enabled. |
| 14:06.26 | Repo | 5b709a5: Added back in a local that got removed by mistake |
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| 14:37.48 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 07cataclysm * r2721 Core (2 files in 1 directory): -- fix chat link |
| 14:37.50 | Repo | -- fix Show/hide AtlasLoot Panel |
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| 14:45.03 | Stanzilla | Antiarc: libinternalcd still taints, btw |
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| 15:07.49 | kagaro | repo lagging? |
| 15:08.00 | kagaro | nvm |
| 15:08.03 | Repo | 10chatter: 03kagaro 07master * v.1.2.6-3-g82f02d8 Modules (3 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Modifed test for blizz timestamps in channel names, removed some wasted spaces in altnames, add a local to copy chat |
| 15:10.11 | Repo | 10ensidiafails: 03Maat 043.6 * r230 : Tagging as 3.6 |
| 15:10.49 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r566 / (2 files in 1 directory): anti-phishing/anti-goldspam update |
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| 15:14.31 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/out_of_date_minder/. Out Of Date Minder. Anyia3 (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis. |
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| 15:32.02 | Repo | 10charscanner: 03kunda * r44 / (6 files in 1 directory): - update for Patch 3.3.5: |
| 15:32.03 | Repo | Blizzard added a Achievement/Talent scan restriction with Patch 3.3.5. |
| 15:32.04 | Repo | Only 6 scans in a row are allowed, than a 10-second break is required. |
| 15:32.06 | Repo | This will increase the GROUPSCAN dramatically. |
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| 15:34.57 | kagaro | one if my guild preists is getitng hacked . gg for always a high number of tickets |
| 15:36.18 | Funkeh` | promote authenticators more |
| 15:36.19 | kagaro | i need a gm so bad right now |
| 15:36.36 | Funkeh` | in our guild for example anyone of officer an dabove is forced to have one |
| 15:36.48 | kagaro | all our officers do |
| 15:37.01 | DWSR | Funkeh`: Good rule. |
| 15:37.04 | DWSR | I've just always had one. |
| 15:37.23 | DWSR | It's also really stupid to not have one, since you can get a mobile authenticator for your iPhone,Android,Blackberry. |
| 15:38.45 | kagaro | yup |
| 15:39.03 | kagaro | wish gms answered tickets more often that 5 hours later |
| 15:39.14 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: about that spam thing that I just posted in the badbody thread, it looks a bit broken in chat, http://i46.tinypic.com/350uvwx.png - special chars? |
| 15:42.38 | Funkeh` | probably, won't matter in this case anyway |
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| 15:44.11 | Funkeh` | already a string in there to detect an older version so I'll jsut tweak it to detect both |
| 15:44.13 | Repo | 10charscanner: 03kunda * r45 CharScanner.lua: description update |
| 15:44.14 | groktar | gotten some extremely important work done today |
| 15:44.29 | groktar | hung a dartboard in the developers office |
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| 16:26.11 | Repo | 10doubleclickforthewin: 03wT- * r5 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added tag v2 for changeset 0dc94941bdb8 |
| 16:26.13 | Repo | Lets bump version number too |
| 16:26.14 | Repo | Improve handling of repeatable quests. It will now try to find the first completed quest before considering dailies/repeatables. |
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| 16:27.12 | asmodai | groktar: we have both a dartboard *and* an air hockey :D |
| 16:27.58 | groktar | omg |
| 16:28.04 | groktar | convinces the other developers to strike |
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| 16:28.14 | asmodai | the air hocket makes a shitload of noise though |
| 16:28.18 | asmodai | hockey |
| 16:28.30 | groktar | darts is better for large groups |
| 16:28.41 | groktar | and also good for throwing a set every time you come back to your seat |
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| 16:33.52 | Gnarfoz | <kagaro> Noooooooooo 2 drives failed in my raid last night <-- prepare for another one failing during rebuild |
| 16:34.04 | Gnarfoz | @describe doubleclickforthewin |
| 16:34.05 | Repo | Gnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/addons/doubleclickforthewin/. DoubleClickForTheWin. Context-sensitive actions for certain frames on double-clicks. |
| 16:34.21 | Gnarfoz | @describe out_of_date_minder |
| 16:34.22 | Repo | Gnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/addons/out_of_date_minder/. Out Of Date Minder. Notices whenever the "Load out of date AddOns" setting has been disabled, and offers to re-enable it and reload the UI for you. |
| 16:34.28 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 16:36.53 | Repo | 10chatter: 03kagaro 07master * v.1.2.6-4-g7509e33 / (5 files in 3 directories): [+1 commit] Added new module to turn on all edge resizing instead of jsut corner resizing. |
| 16:37.08 | kagaro | Gnarfoz: im ready for another to fail |
| 16:37.18 | kagaro | backups ftw! |
| 16:37.23 | Gnarfoz | backups++ |
| 16:37.33 | Gnarfoz | too bad I have neither redundancy nor backups. |
| 16:37.35 | Gnarfoz | :F |
| 16:37.44 | Gnarfoz | I'll regret that some day. |
| 16:40.12 | asmodai | Mmm, so am I the only one to remember that alt+mouse to resize the chat window thing? |
| 16:40.32 | Gnarfoz | alt? |
| 16:40.39 | Gnarfoz | you could simply do it by dragging. |
| 16:40.47 | Gnarfoz | can't you, anymore? |
| 16:40.53 | asmodai | you could resize e.g. the top of the chat windows by using alt + mouse click/drag |
| 16:41.04 | asmodai | useful if yours is docked against the bottom left |
| 16:41.12 | asmodai | with the text entry box above it |
| 16:41.22 | kagaro | Gnarfoz: Ive got my array mirrored |
| 16:41.40 | asmodai | Including the failures! |
| 16:41.43 | asmodai | }:) |
| 16:41.46 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: which is how I have/had mine set up, I haven't played since some time in 3.3.3 though |
| 16:41.54 | Gnarfoz | kagaro: that's not a backup, though |
| 16:42.02 | asmodai | Gnarfoz: Worked in 3.3.3, stopped in 3.3.5 |
| 16:42.04 | asmodai | :( |
| 16:42.16 | asmodai | Still not sure if it was a WoW default feature or Chatter's. |
| 16:42.23 | Gnarfoz | bottom right corner has a grabby-thing though |
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| 16:42.41 | Gnarfoz | wow default |
| 16:42.47 | asmodai | Gnarfoz: Which is a pain in the ass to resize with if you only need to readjust the top a bit |
| 16:43.04 | asmodai | since you will need to move the window before or afterwards |
| 16:43.18 | asmodai | Less RSI! |
| 16:43.19 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but I haven't even started to fiddle with my UI since 3.3.5, so |
| 16:43.21 | Gnarfoz | shrugs |
| 16:43.48 | asmodai | I find your indifference disturbing. |
| 16:44.33 | Gnarfoz | as do I, because unless I set up my UI perfectly to my liking, it's unlikely I'll resume playing :p |
| 16:45.48 | Gnarfoz | pro-cras-ti-na-tion |
| 16:47.26 | asmodai | F-i-s-k-e-r |
| 16:47.48 | pentium166 | m-o-u-s-e |
| 16:47.50 | Gnarfoz | always blame Fisker |
| 16:47.57 | Gnarfoz | wtf, he's NOT here. |
| 16:48.15 | sbu | yay, party |
| 16:48.20 | asmodai | cackles with evil glee |
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| 16:50.40 | Gnarfoz | poor guestrik |
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| 16:51.03 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: so sad |
| 16:52.36 | GER|koaschten | ? |
| 16:52.56 | GER|koaschten | i want your problems, because the pump on water watercooled right seems to have died.... |
| 16:53.06 | Gnarfoz | no beta = so sad |
| 16:53.29 | Gnarfoz | watercooling =O |
| 16:53.35 | Gnarfoz | I need storage and I need it now |
| 16:53.46 | asmodai | points to Gnarfoz' garden |
| 16:53.59 | Gnarfoz | also, why are CPU and GPU prices, like, totally stable the last several months, nothing is getting any cheaper?! |
| 16:54.14 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: sadly, I don't have a garden now :( |
| 16:54.48 | Gnarfoz | I want something awesome like Crucial's RealSSD, but that fucker is terribly, terribly expensive |
| 16:54.51 | asmodai | so, where do you dump the bodies now? |
| 16:55.07 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: river |
| 16:57.01 | Gnarfoz | so, WD20EARS or EcoGreen F3 2TB? |
| 16:57.04 | pentium166 | are sata 3.0 SSDs actually available? |
| 16:57.33 | Gnarfoz | pentium166: crucial's RealSSD is one of the few |
| 16:57.47 | Gnarfoz | not that I want it because of its sata3'ness |
| 16:57.59 | Aens|Superiority | Gnarfoz: are you using windows vista or 7? |
| 16:58.02 | Gnarfoz | 7 |
| 16:58.09 | Aens|Superiority | if not, the EARS is gonna frustrate you |
| 16:58.19 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I considered that |
| 16:58.20 | GER|koaschten | yeah you want them because of the sandforce controller ;) |
| 16:58.23 | Gnarfoz | but that's not goingt to be a problem |
| 16:58.25 | Aens|Superiority | ah, use the EARS, 4k sector sizes so a larger usuable size |
| 16:58.27 | pentium166 | i would love to have an ssd or two for my photoshop scratch files |
| 16:58.30 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: no, they use a marvell one? :p |
| 16:58.38 | GER|koaschten | oh really? |
| 16:58.41 | Gnarfoz | idd |
| 16:58.50 | GER|koaschten | why would you want a marvell controller over a sandforce? |
| 16:59.01 | Gnarfoz | it's superior in performance terms |
| 16:59.10 | asmodai | pentium166: They're not that expensive anymore |
| 16:59.10 | Gnarfoz | and doesn't need to do compression tricks to achieve it |
| 16:59.37 | Gnarfoz | granted, I'd probably not notice the difference during usage. |
| 16:59.50 | Gnarfoz | still, can't decide what to get. :D |
| 17:00.09 | pentium166 | No, but I'm using a refurb dual xeon workstation from like 2003 and that would need to go too |
| 17:00.28 | Gnarfoz | WD20EARS x2 or x4 to replace all my storage sounds nice |
| 17:00.58 | Gnarfoz | since getting a non-vodafone nexus one is now next to impossible, I can put the money I alotted for that into the hardware pot |
| 17:01.56 | Gnarfoz | can Windows do RAID 10 on its own? |
| 17:02.09 | pentium166 | if only i could convince my boss to let me spend $1500 or so on a modern computer :( |
| 17:02.23 | sbu | so you still have a p166, right? :p |
| 17:02.29 | Gnarfoz | pentium166: slow office box = horror |
| 17:02.39 | pentium166 | i have two in the basement, actually |
| 17:02.44 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Yes. |
| 17:02.48 | pentium166 | still (mostly) functional |
| 17:02.53 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: was not really a question ;D |
| 17:03.03 | DWSR | [13:01:52] <Gnarfoz>can Windows do RAID 10 on its own? |
| 17:03.05 | DWSR | Yes it was.\ |
| 17:03.08 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: oh, that |
| 17:03.35 | Gnarfoz | checks the levels of his vodka:sirup:soda mix |
| 17:04.28 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Actually, I lied. |
| 17:04.32 | Gnarfoz | I've never used any of my mainboard's built-in raid functionality, wonder if I should use that or simply use windows's software stuff |
| 17:04.34 | DWSR | I don't think MS allows for nested RAID. |
| 17:04.40 | DWSR | You should use the mainboard's raid. |
| 17:04.48 | DWSR | Much faster. |
| 17:05.13 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 17:05.33 | Gnarfoz | you seem to be under the false assumption that mainboard-raids do anything in hardware |
| 17:05.49 | DWSR | No. |
| 17:05.52 | DWSR | Windows RAID is SLOW. |
| 17:05.54 | Gnarfoz | you still need the appropriate raid drivers to use it at all. |
| 17:06.02 | Gnarfoz | why would it be any slower than, say, dmraid? |
| 17:06.09 | DWSR | You tell me, but it is. |
| 17:06.25 | Gnarfoz | got any benchmarks to verify that or do I have to go looking myself ;p |
| 17:06.33 | DWSR | go look |
| 17:06.37 | Gnarfoz | also, apparently I could do RAID1 or RAID0 with my win7 pro, but no RAID10 |
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| 17:07.31 | Gnarfoz | amazingly, if I would downgrade back to windows xp, I could even do raid5 |
| 17:07.32 | Gnarfoz | ;\ |
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| 17:13.41 | Gnarfoz | could stay on my 500GB SATA2 disk for my system drive for the time being, hmmm. |
| 17:14.02 | Gnarfoz | at least that's 7200rpm (and is the newest of the 4 drives I have now) |
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| 17:25.45 | Gnarfoz | whee |
| 17:25.46 | Gnarfoz | 2) Preis: 459,42 |
| 17:25.48 | Gnarfoz | :F |
| 17:26.18 | Gnarfoz | and that's without the SSD |
| 17:26.27 | Gnarfoz | why's this shit got to be so expensive ;D |
| 17:27.04 | Megalon | SSDs? |
| 17:27.20 | Megalon | because they are awesome |
| 17:27.21 | Gnarfoz | those, too. |
| 17:27.31 | Megalon | that's why fisker is so cheap to begin with |
| 17:27.43 | Gnarfoz | but those 459 are for 4x 2TB EARS + 2 4-in-3 modules for my case |
| 17:28.32 | Gnarfoz | currently running 1x 500GB, 1x 250GB and two known-to-be-defective 160GB IDE disks. (one of those even has data on it!) |
| 17:29.26 | Gnarfoz | will I regret getting a 64GB or 80GB SSD, GER|koaschten? |
| 17:29.39 | Gnarfoz | (instead of something larger, that is) |
| 17:29.47 | GER|koaschten | yes you will |
| 17:29.53 | GER|koaschten | my 128gb has 11gb free |
| 17:30.15 | GER|koaschten | and i basically only have windows + 3 games on it (of which 2 are wow and wow ptr) |
| 17:30.32 | Gnarfoz | ouch, what humongous motherfucker of a game is game 3? |
| 17:31.24 | GER|koaschten | let me fire up windirstat |
| 17:31.42 | Gnarfoz | my win7 partition is 25GB ("1000" based GB, though, so 22.7GiB) and it has 7.23GiB Free (and has a 4GiB swap file on it) |
| 17:31.51 | Megalon | i also thought about 80gb ssd first |
| 17:31.57 | sbu | i have 64gb and it really sucks... :p |
| 17:32.01 | Megalon | but i'm so glad i took a larger one |
| 17:32.04 | sbu | only 1 game + few programs |
| 17:32.11 | GER|koaschten | correction, only 2 games currently |
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| 17:32.19 | Gnarfoz | so 128gb at least? |
| 17:32.28 | Megalon | win7x64 gets you rid of at least 14gb |
| 17:32.32 | Gnarfoz | fuck that, 256GB's are like 300+ EUR :F |
| 17:32.40 | Megalon | not counting programms, and of course you want your games on the ssd :S |
| 17:32.49 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: what do you mean? win7 x64 is smaller than x32? |
| 17:32.50 | GER|koaschten | wtf my wow dir is 28GB !? |
| 17:33.00 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: screenshots, store them elsewhere |
| 17:33.03 | GER|koaschten | my windows folder is 19.2GB |
| 17:33.07 | Gnarfoz | also, don't install language packs :o |
| 17:33.15 | GER|koaschten | original english client ;) |
| 17:33.17 | Megalon | for me, my wow > win folder :x |
| 17:33.28 | Megalon | 19gb wow |
| 17:33.45 | Gnarfoz | 18.7GiB windows |
| 17:34.00 | Megalon | 28gb, perhaps you should delete the 10gb of combatlogs GER|koaschten >:P |
| 17:34.04 | Gnarfoz | 18.8GiB WoW Live (enGB + deDE) |
| 17:34.05 | GER|koaschten | only 870mb screenshots |
| 17:34.39 | Megalon | perhaps you saved the patches? |
| 17:34.43 | Gnarfoz | if I delete some \WTF backups, I gain ~100MiB |
| 17:34.45 | GER|koaschten | hmm you are right, 7.8gb combatlogs |
| 17:35.05 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 17:35.27 | GER|koaschten | there we go, wow 19.9gb ;) |
| 17:35.39 | sbu | i have symlinks for download, logs etc. directories |
| 17:35.45 | Gnarfoz | that's more like it, even thought that's still 1GiB more than mine and you say yours is without language packs |
| 17:35.48 | sbu | (so they are on another disk :p) |
| 17:35.53 | Gnarfoz | sbu: boo hissss linux |
| 17:35.58 | GER|koaschten | i just checked, i have enGB and deDE |
| 17:35.58 | sbu | no, windows |
| 17:36.00 | Gnarfoz | meh. |
| 17:36.19 | Megalon | my 18,7gib is with 2,15gib deDE |
| 17:36.22 | Gnarfoz | but I guess that makes sense when you put it on a SSD |
| 17:36.36 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: matches my numbers perfectly =) |
| 17:36.46 | sbu | what is this "deDE"? :p |
| 17:37.04 | GER|koaschten | yeah well and running 8gb of RAM is automatically a result for a 8GB swap and a 8GB hibernate file ;) |
| 17:37.07 | Gnarfoz | sbu: for addon developement, when you have to make sure it works even for morons. ;p |
| 17:37.18 | DWSR | sbu: locale code for Germany. |
| 17:37.18 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: can disable hibernate, and can move swap ;) |
| 17:37.25 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: he knows, he's german ;p |
| 17:37.32 | sbu | Gnarfoz: i dont care :p |
| 17:37.37 | GER|koaschten | Gnarfoz does too, he is german either :D |
| 17:37.43 | DWSR | GER|koaschten: s/either/as well/ |
| 17:37.43 | Gnarfoz | -either+too |
| 17:37.44 | Megalon | GER|koaschten: why don't you S3 :x |
| 17:37.52 | Megalon | or hybrid mode? |
| 17:37.56 | Gnarfoz | hybrid is lol |
| 17:38.01 | Gnarfoz | it's just s1 |
| 17:38.12 | Gnarfoz | s3! |
| 17:38.25 | Gnarfoz | if only my box would wake up successfully from s3. |
| 17:38.36 | GER|koaschten | good question.. but honestly i prefer my box not having fans spinning while i sleep, the tower stands between my bed and my desk on one of those ikea 4 drawer containers ;) |
| 17:38.37 | Gnarfoz | it did on winxp, since win7 it always BSOD's. ;p |
| 17:39.14 | Gnarfoz | other end of the room (the one room that I have ;D) for me, I leave it running 24/7 ;0 |
| 17:39.37 | Gnarfoz | so... let's see about 120/128GB ssds.... |
| 17:40.11 | sbu | $$$$ :/ |
| 17:40.15 | Gnarfoz | bleh, starts at 210EUR |
| 17:40.27 | Gnarfoz | didn't really plan to spend THIS much on storage. |
| 17:40.31 | pentium166 | has photoshop using 126gb of scratch |
| 17:40.48 | Gnarfoz | I could lose 2 of those 2TB drives, of course, that'd cover the SSD. |
| 17:40.56 | pentium166 | 38 foot boat graphics ftl |
| 17:41.07 | GER|koaschten | Gnarfoz http://www.imagebanana.com/img/gynczbuf/auslastung.png |
| 17:41.21 | Gnarfoz | haha @ mpqs |
| 17:41.32 | sbu | eh |
| 17:41.35 | sbu | no pron!? |
| 17:41.50 | Gnarfoz | pron on ssd? surely you jest |
| 17:41.53 | GER|koaschten | i have a 1TB and a 1.5TB external ;) |
| 17:42.06 | sbu | move your screenshots to another disk |
| 17:42.12 | sbu | 1gb jpg! |
| 17:42.15 | GER|koaschten | no haha there Gnarfoz... its live and ptr client and screenshots is only 800some mb |
| 17:42.32 | Gnarfoz | sbu: who does screenshots in jpg |
| 17:42.37 | Gnarfoz | tga quality 10 ftw |
| 17:42.40 | sbu | wow does :p |
| 17:42.42 | GER|koaschten | and i probably should go through that shit and see what i use of those |
| 17:42.53 | Gnarfoz | no it doesn't! not if I don't want it to! |
| 17:43.19 | nevcairiel | want png on windows |
| 17:43.23 | nevcairiel | silly macys get pngs :( |
| 17:43.35 | Gnarfoz | macys is a clothes store. |
| 17:43.58 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: libpng is too expensive! :p |
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| 17:44.46 | Megalon | GER|koaschten: S3 has nothing running, only RAM is powered |
| 17:44.50 | nevcairiel | never heard of the store |
| 17:44.52 | Megalon | no fans, nothing, pretty awesome :o |
| 17:44.58 | Gnarfoz | obviously, but hybrid has. |
| 17:45.20 | Megalon | why hybrid, or do you encounter power outages regularly |
| 17:45.22 | Megalon | :S |
| 17:45.30 | Gnarfoz | at least it does for me, which might suggest it's not working correctly |
| 17:45.30 | Megalon | but erm |
| 17:45.34 | Megalon | hybrid is S3+S4 |
| 17:45.50 | Gnarfoz | feels more like S1+notsurewhat for me |
| 17:45.50 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 17:45.54 | Megalon | and in S4, there is absolutely nothing powered |
| 17:46.03 | Gnarfoz | but then, my box can't resume from s3 since win7 |
| 17:46.19 | Megalon | oh, you got a mobo which doesn't handle s3 well? :< |
| 17:46.26 | Gnarfoz | no, it handled it fine on xp. |
| 17:46.31 | Megalon | but not 7? |
| 17:46.36 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 17:46.36 | Megalon | oh, that's weird |
| 17:46.56 | Gnarfoz | BSOD BUG_CODE_DRIVER point to something USB-y, at least that's what my limited knowledge of WinDBG tells me |
| 17:47.25 | Gnarfoz | can't really pinpoint it, and since I do let it running most of the time anyway, at some point I just gave up |
| 17:48.42 | Gnarfoz | man, SSD prices are ridiculous o_O |
| 17:49.47 | GER|koaschten | Gnarfoz they havent moved in a year |
| 17:49.52 | GER|koaschten | my indilinx still costs the same |
| 17:50.15 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: that's basically what I meant, above... NOTHING has moved any reasonable amount in quite a while |
| 17:50.44 | Gnarfoz | radeon 58xx still the same as on release, i5 750 still the same... |
| 17:51.44 | Gnarfoz | any price drops probably hidden behind the falling EUR |
| 17:52.11 | Gnarfoz | as prices go down, EUR value goes down -> prices stay the same |
| 17:52.42 | Gnarfoz | meh, going to go read that c't article again now |
| 17:52.49 | Gnarfoz | can't figure out which SSD to choose |
| 17:53.19 | Gnarfoz | and I should get some more vodka so I can actually get around to ordering this expensive shit |
| 17:54.00 | Gnarfoz | (spend ~750EUR and the only real performance upgrade you get is a 128GB SSD? that hurts.) |
| 17:54.52 | Lysithea | Gnarfoz intels whatever it's name is |
| 17:54.52 | Lysithea | 80gb |
| 17:55.09 | GER|koaschten | Gnarfoz ouch :/ |
| 17:55.20 | Lysithea | costs about 20 |
| 17:55.23 | Gnarfoz | people say I'm going to be tearing my eyes out with something as small as that, Lysithea, and I'm inclined to agree with them |
| 17:55.34 | Lysithea | what are you going to have on it? |
| 17:55.46 | GER|koaschten | well you might want to hop over to http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f4 and read some in the ssd subforum |
| 17:55.47 | sbu | OS + wow + applications? :p |
| 17:55.50 | Lysithea | I got my os+games+important programs I use often on it |
| 17:55.52 | Lysithea | and im not capped |
| 17:55.55 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: well, I could get only 2x 2TB and get another pair later, that'd cut the sum by 220EUR |
| 17:55.55 | Lysithea | at all |
| 17:56.07 | Lysithea | I use my old hdds for anything storage |
| 17:56.10 | Megalon | sc, sc2, wc3, wow, openttd: already 34gb gone |
| 17:56.17 | Megalon | count win7 in for ~15gb |
| 17:56.23 | GER|koaschten | rather count win7 at 20gb |
| 17:56.29 | GER|koaschten | after a year of use and windows update |
| 17:56.43 | Megalon | ok :o |
| 17:56.50 | GER|koaschten | compare http://www.imagebanana.com/img/gynczbuf/auslastung.png |
| 17:56.50 | Gnarfoz | Lysithea: win7 20gb, wow 20gb, swap 6GB, some random programs, probably |
| 17:57.01 | Lysithea | got hon wow sc2 hl2portal win2 and the important programs |
| 17:57.05 | Lysithea | im up to 55 |
| 17:57.12 | Lysithea | win7 |
| 17:57.12 | Lysithea | .. |
| 17:57.15 | Lysithea | 2 wtf :D |
| 17:57.16 | Gnarfoz | windows 2, neat |
| 17:57.41 | Lysithea | What do the 120 ones cost now? |
| 17:57.46 | Lysithea | they cost a shit ton more before |
| 17:57.53 | Gnarfoz | the same as before, sadly. |
| 17:57.56 | Lysithea | ouch |
| 17:58.04 | Lysithea | well, 80 is enough for me |
| 17:58.15 | Megalon | and isn't there something that you should always have some % free on an ssd? |
| 17:58.19 | Lysithea | and it'll be enough until the ssd prices becomes reasonable |
| 17:58.20 | Gnarfoz | 212EUR is the cheapest, but I'd rather not buy one with a crappy controller |
| 17:58.40 | Lysithea | no you def dont want to do that |
| 17:59.14 | Gnarfoz | simply by limiting the search to sandforce controllers, the cheapest becomes 290eur |
| 17:59.18 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
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| 17:59.32 | Lysithea | anyway, if I were you I'd get a 80gb one (or the next larger one) from intel and just use the absolutely neseccary stuff on it |
| 17:59.34 | Gnarfoz | Indilinx are a bit cheaper, ~260eur |
| 17:59.42 | Lysithea | then buy a larger one whenever they go down to reasonable prices |
| 17:59.49 | Gnarfoz | Lysithea: next bigger from intel is 160gb at ~330+ |
| 18:00.22 | Gnarfoz | I'll probably skip 2 of those 2TB drives first |
| 18:00.38 | Lysithea | I can tell you one thing |
| 18:00.39 | Gnarfoz | gives me enough headroom to not feel utterly terrible ordering it |
| 18:00.44 | GER|koaschten | sorry for the freaking url ... |
| 18:00.46 | GER|koaschten | http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?cat=hdssd&sort=r&bpmax=300&asuch=-60GB&v=e&plz=&dist=&pixonoff=on&filter=+Liste+aktualisieren+&bl1_id=100&xf=251_2.5%22~1195_Indilinx~1195_Intel~1195_Marvell~1195_SandForce~220_MLC~222_100 |
| 18:00.49 | Lysithea | whenever I sit at the "faster better computers" at work without ssds |
| 18:00.52 | GER|koaschten | thats what you should look at Gnarfoz |
| 18:01.00 | Lysithea | I get so impatient waiting for programs to start |
| 18:01.03 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: I have geizhals open right now ;-) |
| 18:01.04 | Lysithea | shit's so annoying |
| 18:01.10 | Gnarfoz | probably with similar filters, let me check yours. |
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| 18:04.09 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: well, just saying "Indilinx" doens't really cut it... do they only make one controller? |
| 18:04.17 | GER|koaschten | yup |
| 18:04.28 | GER|koaschten | there are 2 generations though |
| 18:04.39 | Gnarfoz | meh. |
| 18:04.43 | GER|koaschten | supertalent has GC and GX2 for example |
| 18:04.50 | GER|koaschten | errr gx and hx2 |
| 18:04.55 | GER|koaschten | SIOVgh<öslfgkj |
| 18:05.01 | GER|koaschten | GX and GX2 |
| 18:05.04 | GER|koaschten | ! |
| 18:05.06 | Gnarfoz | actually, your filters made one thing stand out that I didn't really notice before: the 128GB RealSSD from Crucial is below 300EUR |
| 18:05.15 | GER|koaschten | ;) |
| 18:05.40 | GER|koaschten | well i filtered to max 300eu and the sorted price per GB |
| 18:05.49 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 18:06.12 | Gnarfoz | toggling off Indilinx and Intel (which was at 0 anyway) leaves just Marvell and Sandforce |
| 18:06.51 | Gnarfoz | and seeing that the RealSSD has sata3 (which my mainboard doesn't do, but maybe the next will), that's probably a solid investment |
| 18:07.03 | GER|koaschten | bit-tech has a writeup on the crucial ssd i think |
| 18:07.19 | Gnarfoz | c't covers it too, still haven't gotten my ass out of my seat to grab the issue with the test in it |
| 18:07.22 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:07.50 | GER|koaschten | haha |
| 18:07.51 | Gnarfoz | one thing I know off the top of my head though: the 128GB version is actually slower than the 256GB version |
| 18:08.03 | GER|koaschten | in which is it? 15? or 14 |
| 18:08.06 | Gnarfoz | but there's no way in hell I'm paying for that one |
| 18:08.12 | GER|koaschten | because 15 i got one arm length away |
| 18:08.15 | Gnarfoz | let me check, I only have 3 issues here right now |
| 18:08.28 | Gnarfoz | shit lol |
| 18:08.31 | Gnarfoz | my legs are wobbly |
| 18:08.40 | Gnarfoz | that was already more vodka than I'm used to ;p |
| 18:09.02 | GER|koaschten | haha i just thought, hey Gnarfoz does sit as stupidly as i do and cut of the blood circulation to his legs ;) |
| 18:10.44 | Megalon | or do it emo style |
| 18:10.47 | Megalon | and just cut your legs |
| 18:11.24 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: I do that elsewhere, not in front of my PC ;p |
| 18:11.29 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: and it's issue 12 |
| 18:12.05 | Gnarfoz | let me re-fill my bottle of soda-club syrup, vodka, and soda-club-powered water ;p |
| 18:16.46 | Gnarfoz | on second thought, maybe that's not the best idea ;p |
| 18:16.58 | Gnarfoz | but hey, since when has that stopped anyone |
| 18:17.25 | wink | yuck |
| 18:17.33 | wink | sounds horrible |
| 18:17.42 | wink | goes to make white russian for the raid |
| 18:19.14 | Gnarfoz | actually |
| 18:19.29 | Gnarfoz | I could do that, too, I bought milk on friday :D |
| 18:19.44 | Gnarfoz | aw |
| 18:19.45 | Gnarfoz | wait |
| 18:19.50 | Gnarfoz | I'd need Khalua, lol |
| 18:20.31 | Gnarfoz | and no, it's not horrible, it tastes like it would without the vodka - if that says anything about the intensity of the sweetness of this syrup shit |
| 18:33.15 | Gnarfoz | ahhh |
| 18:33.42 | Gnarfoz | http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a509870.html or http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a534138.html :D |
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| 18:39.27 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: ---^ |
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| 18:40.28 | Gnarfoz | I should keep in mind I'd be running the RealSSD on SATA2 |
| 18:41.27 | Gnarfoz | the Corsair one has better write speeds, should I care? ;\ |
| 18:42.33 | GER|koaschten | ? |
| 18:42.39 | GER|koaschten | no Gnarfoz |
| 18:42.46 | GER|koaschten | you want 4k access and read speeds |
| 18:42.53 | Gnarfoz | well, I have 'em |
| 18:42.59 | nevcairiel | I hope you read reviews on like tomshardware and dont trust the vendor infos shown on geizhals :p |
| 18:43.07 | GER|koaschten | write beyond 200mb isnt noticable |
| 18:43.09 | Gnarfoz | but they are referencing the 256mb realssd, not the 128mb one |
| 18:43.16 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: c't, fuck tom's biased hardware ;) |
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| 18:43.52 | nevcairiel | every press is biased |
| 18:44.00 | Gnarfoz | (And yes, also, reviews. can't find one that pits the 128GB realssd against corsair's F120 or OCZ's 128gb vertex2) |
| 18:45.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not as much as much as tom's, who claimed AMD CPUs wouldn't save themselves from heat death and then faked the "proof" ;p (yeah, that was ages ago.) |
| 18:45.40 | GER|koaschten | did you check anandtech Gnarfoz? |
| 18:45.45 | nevcairiel | in the really early days, they actually didnt |
| 18:45.58 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: well, I googled. didn't check anand directly |
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| 18:46.23 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: c't says the amazing write speeds of the sandforce disks were going poof as soon as already-compressed data came into the mix |
| 18:46.43 | Gnarfoz | (kind of obvious) |
| 18:47.24 | GER|koaschten | just google for anandtech + sandforce and you will hit the review |
| 18:47.38 | Gnarfoz | the one that compares it to the 128gb realssd? let me check |
| 18:47.39 | nevcairiel | i still dont trust sandforce |
| 18:47.51 | nevcairiel | the concept behind it gambles with the data |
| 18:48.16 | Gnarfoz | how so? they actually implement redundancy behind the scenes |
| 18:48.42 | Gnarfoz | ("RAISE" - redundant array of independent silicon elements) |
| 18:49.32 | nevcairiel | wonder if i can find the artcile again |
| 18:49.39 | Megalon | i wonder if they get the name first or the acronym |
| 18:49.42 | Megalon | i'd guess the acronym |
| 18:49.48 | nevcairiel | but the reason they *had* to do that extra redundancy was kinda weird |
| 18:52.06 | GER|koaschten | nifty, check out http://www.anandtech.com/bench/SSD/65 |
| 18:52.07 | nevcairiel | they use low-grade flash memory instead of the high-quality flash other ssds use, except they use a whole boatload of it to cover for failures |
| 18:52.07 | asmodai | nevje! |
| 18:52.50 | asmodai | hardly finds any magazine worthwhile, except c't |
| 18:53.23 | nevcairiel | i dont really read c't much |
| 18:53.30 | nevcairiel | i get the iX sometimes |
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| 18:55.03 | nevcairiel | anyway, the sandforce drives use a whole load of low quality flash memory, so instead of writing to the same memory all the time, they just write to different cells and remember which one has the most recent data .. that way they can use low-quality chips, because they are not causing as many write cycles on them |
| 18:55.12 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: sandforce themselves don't use anything, the grade of the flash is all up to the ssd manufacturer |
| 18:55.28 | nevcairiel | well thats the RAISE thing |
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| 18:55.41 | nevcairiel | and its what the sandforce controller does |
| 18:55.53 | nevcairiel | there would be no point to use that logic with high-grade flash memory :p |
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| 18:56.20 | nevcairiel | http://www.anandtech.com/show/2899/4 |
| 18:56.21 | nevcairiel | read ^ |
| 18:56.24 | wink | I have an Intel X-25M sitting on my desk |
| 18:56.32 | wink | waiting for new laptop on Thursday |
| 18:56.40 | nevcairiel | the article paints it all good, but i don't know |
| 18:56.40 | wink | but I have no clue which one it is exactly |
| 18:58.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I was reading that already when you linked it ;) |
| 18:58.49 | Gnarfoz | he doesn't actually say any of the sandforce based ssds DO uses low grade memory |
| 18:58.54 | Gnarfoz | just that they easily could |
| 18:59.10 | nevcairiel | the whole idea doesnt make sense with the default highgrade memory |
| 18:59.15 | nevcairiel | it would just triple costs |
| 18:59.22 | Gnarfoz | triple? hardly. you'd get SLC for that. |
| 18:59.39 | Gnarfoz | also, the 100GB from 128GB stuff isn't up to date anymore, Corsair's current SF models are 120GB |
| 18:59.50 | Gnarfoz | they don't sell the 100GB ones anymore |
| 18:59.56 | Gnarfoz | (page 5) |
| 18:59.59 | sbu | wtf you are still talking about SSDs :o |
| 19:00.04 | Gnarfoz | sbu: because |
| 19:00.25 | Gnarfoz | and because they're fucking expensive and it makes sense to think through what to spend such a huge amount of money on ;p |
| 19:00.37 | nevcairiel | the article mentions the 120GB drives already :d |
| 19:01.04 | nevcairiel | talking about enterprise with extra redundancy in regards to the 100gb |
| 19:01.30 | Gnarfoz | it's amazing how you can read the total opposite from what I read out of that same article :D |
| 19:02.36 | nevcairiel | Page 5 clearly talks about the 120GB drives as "client" versions, opposed to the enterprise versions before |
| 19:02.43 | Gnarfoz | also, he's wrong about the final version of the vertex2 using SF-1500, it uses SF-1200 |
| 19:03.04 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: no, it talks about *Intel's* enterprise drives. |
| 19:03.49 | Gnarfoz | even though he says "aimed at enterprise capacity points" I don't see them advertising their MLC based "crap" (so to speak) for enterprise use |
| 19:03.52 | Gnarfoz | (do you?) |
| 19:04.16 | nevcairiel | Not directly, but all comparisons and references he does are enterprise |
| 19:04.22 | Gnarfoz | that's just going from "oh it has the same capacity as intel's enterprise disks?" to "must be enterprise version!" |
| 19:04.40 | nevcairiel | "SandForceâs attention is focused on the enterprise, which makes sense given thatâs where the money is." |
| 19:04.50 | Gnarfoz | also, if they were aimed at enterprise, why are neither OCZ nor Corsair selling the 100GB versions anymore? :D |
| 19:05.07 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: says he, from his own deductions~ |
| 19:05.47 | nevcairiel | by that logic, nothing in that article can be trusted |
| 19:05.53 | Gnarfoz | you don't think he came to that conclusion and then formulated his article that way? it's not like he's writing this down sequentially, while he's coming up with it |
| 19:06.13 | nevcairiel | So what makes you so sure he was wrong? =P |
| 19:06.24 | Gnarfoz | well, he's both wrong about the chipset used in the final product and the 100GB versions are not sold anymore, that's kind of hard to dismiss |
| 19:06.50 | nevcairiel | He is talking about the general SandForce concept, not what OCZ did with it |
| 19:06.50 | Gnarfoz | (the final version also doesn't have the capacitor, seeing as that's a feature of the "server" chipset) |
| 19:07.12 | Gnarfoz | well, he's mixing it all together obviously, the review is titled "OCZ's Vertex 2 Pro Preview: The Fastest MLC SSD We've Ever Tested" |
| 19:07.27 | nevcairiel | yeah because it was the first sandforce drive |
| 19:07.53 | nevcairiel | also that chipsets change from demo models to retail is not unheard of :d |
| 19:07.53 | Gnarfoz | so, Corsair F120 or RealSSD300 128GB? ;D |
| 19:08.22 | nevcairiel | It was obviously consumer'ized, cheaper chipset, less spare space |
| 19:08.31 | Gnarfoz | "the final version will be using SF-1500" ;-) I assume his english is advanced enough to use something less specific if he wasn't sure ;p |
| 19:08.46 | Gnarfoz | anyway, hrm. |
| 19:08.56 | Gnarfoz | when are intel chipsets with native sata3 due to be out? |
| 19:09.03 | Gnarfoz | not before 2011, I read? |
| 19:09.20 | nevcairiel | even the sata3 ssds don't really use the interface much, fwiw |
| 19:09.28 | Gnarfoz | oh, but it does |
| 19:09.35 | Gnarfoz | "much" is a stretch, maybe |
| 19:09.52 | Gnarfoz | but it certainly performs better on it (in the +30% range) |
| 19:09.58 | nevcairiel | but yeah, native sata3 will require the next generation |
| 19:10.04 | Gnarfoz | well, AMD has that now |
| 19:10.31 | nevcairiel | its not like the 3rd party sata3 controllers on board are bad, if you really want one |
| 19:10.38 | Gnarfoz | not sure I'm switching over to an AMD based system tho =\ |
| 19:10.56 | nevcairiel | I have sata3 and usb3, but no devices to test the performance .p |
| 19:10.58 | Gnarfoz | well, they have the stink of "meh, we don't care, here, take this inferior solution" |
| 19:11.06 | Repo | 10chatter: 03kagaro 07master * v.1.2.6-7-g2127a58 Modules/AltNames.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed altnames |
| 19:11.11 | GER|koaschten | so who fucked up wow/battle net? |
| 19:11.26 | GER|koaschten | i just jumped out of dalaran sewers and survived and cant log out? ^^ |
| 19:11.34 | nevcairiel | the series 5 chipset came out just before sata3 was starting to appear on boards |
| 19:11.39 | nevcairiel | its kinda old by now |
| 19:11.42 | nevcairiel | well "old" |
| 19:11.52 | Gnarfoz | fuck, cleared scrollback by accident |
| 19:12.05 | Gnarfoz | let me hop on ssh to check what you just wrote xD |
| 19:12.25 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's what I was asking |
| 19:12.39 | Gnarfoz | I read that series 6 stuff isn't due to be out "officially" until 2011 |
| 19:12.53 | Gnarfoz | what's up with that, that seems a little bit far out |
| 19:14.10 | nevcairiel | it'll be out for the first sandy bridge cpus |
| 19:14.36 | nevcairiel | which is Q1 2011 as well |
| 19:14.40 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's rather obvious the date stems from there |
| 19:14.59 | Gnarfoz | but those are going to be expensive as hell, too :F |
| 19:15.13 | nevcairiel | same price as every new cpu |
| 19:15.20 | Gnarfoz | well, i5 hasn't dropped |
| 19:15.34 | Gnarfoz | kind of contrary to the usual price movements |
| 19:15.54 | Gnarfoz | (i5 750 that is, the only one worth considering ;p) |
| 19:15.56 | nevcairiel | anyway, read some review on boards with sata3, as long as you have enough PCIe lines to connect them, they perform equally well |
| 19:16.19 | Gnarfoz | *I* don't have anything to do with it, the board manufacturer has to do it right ;p |
| 19:16.39 | nevcairiel | just telling you to pay attention when buying one :p |
| 19:16.58 | Gnarfoz | this multi-hour long conversation should probably point out that I'm going to ;p |
| 19:16.59 | nevcairiel | the P55 boards for example can't do SLI and SATA3 at the same time |
| 19:17.02 | nevcairiel | usually only one works |
| 19:17.19 | Gnarfoz | meh, SLI ;-) |
| 19:17.27 | nevcairiel | unless you get one with one of those pcie-switches |
| 19:17.38 | Gnarfoz | my 8800GTX is probably one of the last pieces to get an upgrade |
| 19:20.20 | nevcairiel | I should invest in an SSD at some point |
| 19:20.31 | nevcairiel | but still giving it some time to improve |
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| 19:21.13 | nevcairiel | I think i figured out which tv i want to get, though! |
| 19:21.52 | Gnarfoz | luckily I don't have to bother with that |
| 19:22.05 | nevcairiel | I spend half the day at work reading reviews and shit |
| 19:22.12 | nevcairiel | i really should've worked instead :P |
| 19:22.48 | Gnarfoz | no GF to watch movies with, not going to bother my neighbours with 5.1 sound while I'm watching movies late at night on my bigass LCD, no real point in getting TV ;p |
| 19:23.02 | Ackis | ~seen ressy |
| 19:23.05 | purl | ressy <~chatzilla@bas11-toronto63-1088753644.dsl.bell.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 38m 38s ago, saying: '*hides because she got one of his keys*'. |
| 19:23.05 | nevcairiel | but bothering neighbours is fun |
| 19:23.08 | nevcairiel | also, 7.1! |
| 19:23.18 | Gnarfoz | not to mention for actual "TV"... who the fuck would do that to themselves |
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| 19:23.42 | nevcairiel | well, getting a TV device doesnt mean you watch actual TV |
| 19:23.48 | Gnarfoz | 7.1 ^= 5.1, unless you have dipole speakers I doubt you'll notice the difference :D |
| 19:23.59 | Gnarfoz | the GEZ says you do! |
| 19:24.18 | nevcairiel | I do have some blurays with 7.1 sound |
| 19:24.28 | nevcairiel | also, i have the speakers for it, so why not use them |
| 19:24.34 | Gnarfoz | no, it doesn't but I'm just explicitly saying I'd not watch TV on it, ever |
| 19:24.49 | Gnarfoz | yeah, well, if you already have the stuff, that's something else ;) |
| 19:25.05 | Gnarfoz | also, today is a said day |
| 19:25.05 | nevcairiel | I just want some nice tv to go with it :) |
| 19:25.08 | Gnarfoz | *sad |
| 19:25.24 | nevcairiel | how so? |
| 19:25.32 | Gnarfoz | Teufel got bought by (another, apparently) investor, bent on "maximizing profits" |
| 19:25.41 | Gnarfoz | Heuschreckenplage~ |
| 19:26.07 | nevcairiel | Teufel hasn't been awesoem for a while now, drifted too much into consumer things |
| 19:26.14 | nevcairiel | I have a teufel set, tho |
| 19:26.17 | Gnarfoz | guess when that happened |
| 19:26.25 | Gnarfoz | when they got bought by the first investor... |
| 19:26.52 | Gnarfoz | their high-end stuff is still awesome, but I doubt I'll be rich enough to buy any of that any time soon ;p |
| 19:26.58 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 19:27.01 | Gnarfoz | I didn't notice until I read the comments on golem.de - none of their current systems use down-fire subwoofers anymore |
| 19:27.09 | nevcairiel | high end speakers are a once-in-a-lifetime investment, but still |
| 19:27.11 | nevcairiel | alot money |
| 19:27.17 | Gnarfoz | my Concept E from several years ago does, and it kicks ass |
| 19:27.43 | nevcairiel | I have a concept G, its not perfect, but it works well enough |
| 19:28.01 | Gnarfoz | had I known, I'd sold that off and got myself a Concept E Power Edition (i.e. the one with the "fixed" amp that has more power) |
| 19:28.53 | nevcairiel | Can slowly replace components |
| 19:28.54 | Gnarfoz | they actually have one downfire based system left, Kompakt 30 (it's basically the Concept E of old), but they removed the amps |
| 19:28.55 | nevcairiel | get a new sub |
| 19:28.57 | Gnarfoz | only the sub is active |
| 19:29.02 | nevcairiel | get full-range front speakers |
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| 19:29.03 | nevcairiel | etc :) |
| 19:29.11 | Gnarfoz | well, you can mix and match, certainly |
| 19:29.16 | GER|koaschten | my 7 year old cambridge soundworks is still in use too |
| 19:29.26 | Gnarfoz | "in use" = "tormenting people" |
| 19:29.28 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 19:29.30 | nevcairiel | I have a full amp in my sub as well, but i don't use it anymore |
| 19:29.51 | GER|koaschten | the biggest issue i have with it |
| 19:30.00 | GER|koaschten | i never understood how to correctly hook it up :( |
| 19:30.04 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:30.07 | Gnarfoz | well, I left my Concept E at my parent's, it didn't really fit |
| 19:30.09 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: wut, lol |
| 19:30.38 | steevdave | bleh |
| 19:30.42 | Gnarfoz | fit into the car, that is. not sure if I should take it the next time I get the chance (or someone from Hannover visits me) |
| 19:30.52 | steevdave | upgraded my trial account last night and still don't have permission to speak/trade |
| 19:31.03 | GER|koaschten | yeah i can actually run 5.1 sound from a dvd on it telling it to use spdif but i cant get the 5.1 sound from a hdtv stream to properly get decoded |
| 19:31.13 | Gnarfoz | steevdave: IIRC, that can take as long as the time left on your trial, try paging a GM |
| 19:31.31 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: you have to do any decoding yourself, it doesn't have a decoder oO |
| 19:31.50 | Gnarfoz | (which system are you talking about, exactly?) |
| 19:32.25 | Gnarfoz | the "well known" cambridge soundworks system I remember isn't even 5.1, it's 4.1 |
| 19:32.28 | nevcairiel | If its so old, yet supports digital connection, it probably only talks AC3 |
| 19:32.38 | steevdave | Gnarfoz: what is funny is that my roommate's girlfriend's account all of it went active the second he added her key |
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| 19:32.56 | nevcairiel | You need to decode everything else by yourself, and then re-encode to ac3 for the system |
| 19:33.05 | Gnarfoz | steevdave: well, hm. "try deleting \WDB" ;D |
| 19:33.11 | nevcairiel | all assuming my assumption was right :p |
| 19:33.26 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: do *you* know which system exactly he is talking about? |
| 19:33.27 | steevdave | Gnarfoz: won't that kill everything for all my accounts? |
| 19:33.29 | GER|koaschten | DTT2500 |
| 19:33.42 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: nah, but when he says dvd works (which is ac3), it was a safe bet :p |
| 19:34.06 | Gnarfoz | steevdave: "everything" is just the several game caches; addon settings and keybindngs and macros is \WTF |
| 19:34.17 | steevdave | ahh |
| 19:34.31 | nevcairiel | yup, it only supports dolby digital decoding |
| 19:34.34 | groktar | christ |
| 19:34.38 | groktar | stormwind looks amazing |
| 19:34.38 | nevcairiel | so you need to recode everything thats not AC3 to AC3 |
| 19:34.39 | Gnarfoz | ah, the black one |
| 19:34.51 | Gnarfoz | groktar: go away! this is no-beta-club :( |
| 19:34.56 | groktar | D: |
| 19:35.07 | groktar | i'm watching the video on mmo champion |
| 19:35.09 | groktar | just some guy flying around |
| 19:35.13 | Gnarfoz | :F okay. |
| 19:35.14 | nevcairiel | stormwind does look awesome, though |
| 19:35.15 | GER|koaschten | :( |
| 19:35.21 | Gnarfoz | sandbox says it does, indeed |
| 19:35.30 | nevcairiel | indeed! |
| 19:35.32 | GER|koaschten | fucksake, that thing did cost some 500 back then? |
| 19:35.44 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: that's about as much as I'm going to spend on storage now! ;p |
| 19:36.01 | nevcairiel | hey digital uplink and ac3 decoder were golden in '99 (when it was new) |
| 19:36.04 | GER|koaschten | i ahve 2.5tb of storage here that say i payed only 140 |
| 19:36.15 | Gnarfoz | well, that certainly doesn't include your ssd |
| 19:36.17 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 19:36.25 | GER|koaschten | nope it doesnt ; |
| 19:37.20 | Gnarfoz | 450EUR for 8TB (4TB net, at least until I need more ;p) or 4TB (2TB net, or maybe no RAID at all? DECISIONS, DECISIONS) and SSD? |
| 19:37.37 | Gnarfoz | hurrr durrr procrastination and indecision (and vodka) really suck |
| 19:37.43 | nevcairiel | 2TB net? |
| 19:37.46 | nevcairiel | half wasted? |
| 19:37.50 | nevcairiel | raid 1, wut? |
| 19:37.55 | Gnarfoz | raid1, obviously, can't do raid10 with 2 drives. |
| 19:37.56 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
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| 19:38.00 | nevcairiel | 5! |
| 19:38.08 | Gnarfoz | can't do raid5 with 2 drives, either |
| 19:38.13 | nevcairiel | get smaller drives! |
| 19:38.17 | Gnarfoz | why would I? :p |
| 19:38.24 | nevcairiel | or do that with the 8TB |
| 19:38.38 | groktar | 10tb or gtfo |
| 19:38.48 | Gnarfoz | the sweet spot is indeed at 1.5TB right now, granted, but I've noticed my hardware buying habits changed, I don't buy new stuff as often |
| 19:39.08 | nevcairiel | i have 8tb raw right now, which nets about 5.something after GB->GiB conversion and Raid5 disc-loss |
| 19:39.36 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: also, no raid5/6 controller; no, not even fake-raid5, I don't think my mobo does it |
| 19:39.36 | kagaro | nevcairiel raid6 is your friend |
| 19:39.49 | nevcairiel | why would i want to lose 2 discs when i only have 4? |
| 19:39.59 | Gnarfoz | so I'd "have" to invest in a shiny Areca raid6 controller just because I can never settle for anything less than the best :F |
| 19:40.03 | kagaro | when you loose 2 at once youll be glad |
| 19:40.13 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: linux software raid in a file server box! |
| 19:40.30 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: no separate box available anymore |
| 19:40.40 | Gnarfoz | my router/server stayed home |
| 19:40.41 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 19:41.03 | nevcairiel | kagaro: i'll probably switch to raid 6 when i buy the next badge of discs |
| 19:41.05 | Gnarfoz | and I don't really want it to be separate, either, what the hell do I have a CM Stacker (the original one) for |
| 19:41.23 | nevcairiel | maybe .. maybe not |
| 19:41.28 | nevcairiel | i really never had a drive failure ever |
| 19:41.36 | nevcairiel | except some 15 year old drive |
| 19:41.40 | nevcairiel | in my router |
| 19:41.41 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:41.54 | kagaro | software raid on linux will failure a disk if you get any swmart error, evern a 'im remapping a bad sector error' |
| 19:41.56 | Gnarfoz | my last drive failure has been ages ago, 120GB Maxtor IDE, I think (or maybe 80GB?) |
| 19:42.20 | nevcairiel | actually the software raid is alot more stable then hardware controllers |
| 19:42.23 | Gnarfoz | kagaro: sweet thing about linux: that's probably just badly configured. ;p |
| 19:42.38 | nevcairiel | you can run consumer drives without a problem |
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| 19:42.45 | kagaro | no i had the readError counter increment by 1 and mdadm marked it as failed |
| 19:42.48 | nevcairiel | while hardware controllers tend to time-out consumer drivers |
| 19:43.00 | nevcairiel | when they take too long for error correction |
| 19:43.33 | nevcairiel | (and consumer drives don't have the time-limit on error correction that the raid-drives have .. gogo making money with a simple flag in the firmware) |
| 19:43.36 | groktar | every time my computer boots |
| 19:43.45 | kagaro | i had 2 drives fail last night. in reality both drives are ok, but had a single error counter increment in smart so raid mdadm marked them fail |
| 19:43.52 | groktar | i see lots of red stuff with the word "error" in it |
| 19:43.54 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: gogo flashing consumer drive with enterprise firmware ;D |
| 19:44.00 | nevcairiel | dont think that works |
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| 19:44.01 | groktar | and my hard drive serial numbers next to it |
| 19:44.06 | groktar | i ignore it |
| 19:44.11 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: it does at least for WD's 2TB thingies =) |
| 19:44.27 | nevcairiel | I have those 4kb sector 2tb wds, never heard of it |
| 19:44.49 | Gnarfoz | I could dig it out if you want, but it's probably not going to make any big difference |
| 19:45.05 | Gnarfoz | actually, Im not sure I could, don't really recall where that thread was at |
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| 19:45.17 | nevcairiel | its working fine as it is |
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| 19:47.16 | quiescens | until it all explodes |
| 19:47.20 | quiescens | in a blaze of glory |
| 19:47.29 | Gnarfoz | doesn't it always |
| 19:47.37 | quiescens | and fire |
| 19:49.45 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.0.2-1-gb4f2679 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 19:49.47 | Repo | b4f2679: Updated one of the custom strings |
| 19:49.48 | Repo | 26d946c: turn on changelog |
| 19:50.19 | pompy | wtf |
| 19:51.40 | pompy | 26d946c: turn on changelog .. that commit was pushed when i tagged then pushed the other day |
| 19:52.01 | nevcairiel | maybe not |
| 19:52.24 | quiescens | i blame groktar |
| 19:53.02 | pompy | (7/4/2010 3:06:39 AM) Repo: collectinator: pompachomp v1.0.2 * 89c014b /: [new tag, +1 commits] Tagging as v1.0.2 |
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| 19:53.08 | pompy | the +1 commits was it |
| 19:56.18 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.0.2-2-gdb0ce0d .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] turn off manual changelog |
| 19:57.29 | nevcairiel | you and your silly changelogs |
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| 19:57.35 | nevcairiel | just edit it manually on the website! |
| 19:58.43 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't have clicked the "related" links on AnandTech, Anand can be quite verbose. :p |
| 19:59.13 | Gnarfoz | (I'm on page 22 of related link #2 ;D) |
| 19:59.27 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 20:11.37 | Gnarfoz | all in all, I'm amazed by simply HOW Intel's SSDs are, even though they're basically still their "first" try (counting "Postville" as just an iteration on their previous design, it doesn't differ that much) |
| 20:11.51 | Gnarfoz | s/HOW/HOW good/ |
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| 20:12.43 | nevcairiel | they just need to "fix" the slow rite speed, and they would rule the world again |
| 20:13.09 | nevcairiel | did any SSD beat their IO OP/s yet? |
| 20:13.37 | Gnarfoz | Crucial's RealSSD does |
| 20:14.00 | Gnarfoz | the 128GB version slightly, the 256GB by a significant margin |
| 20:14.17 | Gnarfoz | (slightly = ~2k, significant = ~20k) |
| 20:14.35 | Gnarfoz | only on sata3, though |
| 20:14.52 | Gnarfoz | (don't ask me why that particular metric would be slower on sata2, that's what the benchmarks say) |
| 20:15.50 | Gnarfoz | crystal ball says Intel comes out with their next generation of SSDs the day I unpack my shiny new (and then: obsolete) non-intel SSD. ;p |
| 20:16.01 | nevcairiel | its always like that |
| 20:16.10 | Gnarfoz | it is indeed |
| 20:16.13 | nevcairiel | i've been actually waiting for intel pushing a new ssd, just to see where it goes |
| 20:16.39 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 20:16.42 | DWSR | To infinite and beyond. |
| 20:17.02 | nevcairiel | do those new ones support native and real TRIM? |
| 20:17.05 | Gnarfoz | I'll do the same, just for CPUs; you can't wait forever anyway, it's just the way it is with computer hardware |
| 20:17.28 | Gnarfoz | since the two are the same, yes, they do |
| 20:17.45 | nevcairiel | i remember the indlinix(sp) controllers only having a fake trim |
| 20:17.45 | Gnarfoz | although the last test I read kind of omits if simply deleting files off the disk works fine. |
| 20:17.57 | Gnarfoz | nah, their worked fine on win7 |
| 20:18.02 | Gnarfoz | but they offered what intel doesn't |
| 20:18.07 | Gnarfoz | a way to do the same under vista and xp |
| 20:18.24 | nevcairiel | meh, wasted feature :) |
| 20:18.55 | nevcairiel | anyway some drives had some tool to force a trim run, but didnt do real trim |
| 20:19.50 | nevcairiel | that was basically the first drive to offer trim-like features after intel started doing it |
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| 20:22.00 | quiescens | moo |
| 20:23.29 | steevdave | err |
| 20:23.40 | steevdave | so i updated redrange through the curse client |
| 20:23.44 | steevdave | and now it says incompatible? |
| 20:25.03 | steevdave | ahh i see why |
| 20:25.36 | DWSR | Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 20:27.04 | pompy | anyone kno what addon this addonmsg belongs to? AAVLookupBroadcast |
| 20:27.46 | steevdave | ugh, and now i'm back to missing libsharedmedia again |
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| 21:07.54 | Repo | 10broker-portals: 03CrazyBenny 041.8.8 * r107 : Tagging as 1.8.8 |
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| 21:26.49 | Gnarfoz | GER|koaschten: you fell off your chair? |
| 21:27.07 | GER|koaschten | no, strokin meat |
| 21:27.24 | GER|koaschten | i read the query, what should i reply? "lol yes" ? ;) |
| 21:27.33 | Gnarfoz | eating this late? I can only agree, meat is always good |
| 21:31.45 | asmodai | rofl, "these guy leaves a nasty glob of goo on the floor and I wouldn't recommend standing in it" |
| 21:32.08 | Gnarfoz | rule #1 |
| 21:35.10 | asmodai | "'Cause everybody knows that a radioactive Murloc is a little more dangerous than your common ol' garden variety" |
| 21:38.51 | Pneumatus | hmm |
| 21:39.04 | Pneumatus | i could use my curse points towards buying a new TV couldnt i! |
| 21:40.55 | asmodai | rofl, 45k hits - one shotting the tank |
| 21:40.57 | asmodai | always fun |
| 21:41.05 | Pneumatus | bad tank :< |
| 21:42.16 | asmodai | not really |
| 21:42.23 | asmodai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhPOea_iMJQ&hd=1 |
| 21:42.29 | asmodai | around 7 minutes in or so |
| 21:46.32 | asmodai | rofl, I love his sarcasm |
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| 21:59.45 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: sad thing is, if TB, as a rather experienced wow player says he likes that they at least made it somewhat challenging... then the simple fact of the matter is that they'll nerf it before release. :( |
| 22:02.19 | Gnarfoz | haha yeah, he said it later on himself |
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| 22:07.04 | asmodai | Gnarfoz: heh |
| 22:07.08 | asmodai | Gnarfoz: such shit happens |
| 22:07.20 | Gnarfoz | it's so sad |
| 22:07.25 | Gnarfoz | wow'd be a better game for it |
| 22:08.43 | Gnarfoz | any other yt channels for beta videos you can recommend? I didn't really follow any, was (obviously utterly pointlessly) hoping for beta myself, so I didn't pick any ;p |
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| 22:37.39 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal 07master * 2.0-rc1-50-gaa0b172 Frame.lua: [+1 commit] When viewing the Location tab, toggling the Faction filter off will now remove locations which only contain entries which are obtainable via the opposing faction. Fixes ticket #1017. |
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| 23:20.56 | Repo | 10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.5.0-3-g92f646f / (4 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 23:20.57 | Repo | 92f646f: - Removed the ERR_GENERIC_NO_TARGET debug report that happens when the player tries to use Polymorph or Purge on himself or another friendly player. |
| 23:20.59 | Repo | 7897271: - Removed the French version of Readme and changelog plus an old useless file |
| 23:23.43 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/lkannounce/. LKAnnounce. Mirrormn (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
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| 23:25.39 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal 07master * 2.0-rc1-51-g01c1d8f Frame.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed previous commit - making changes to working code and not testing before committing is never a good idea. |
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