| 00:00.49 | Shefki | Groktar: You can change your email address, setup friends lists and then change it back. |
| 00:00.51 | Groktar | o friends of friends is cool |
| 00:04.40 | Groktar | they need to add realid groups now |
| 00:04.43 | Repo | 10chat-alerts: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.5-1.2.4-1-ge473100 ChatAlerts.lua: [+1 commit] Re-apply the configured settings whenever WoW decides to un-set them. Damn Blizzard. |
| 00:05.02 | Repo | 10chat-alerts: 03Torhal 043.3.5-1.2.5 * b7b28b8 /: [new tag] Tagging new release. |
| 00:14.58 | Groktar | "The destination account does not meet the requirements for an account to account transfer." |
| 00:15.03 | Groktar | i wish it could be more vague |
| 00:15.14 | orionshock | lol |
| 00:15.31 | orionshock | is there still a "you are not in a party" addon checker? |
| 00:16.23 | Shefki | Ohh that's something I should add to BlizzSucks |
| 00:16.32 | Shefki | Something that prevents those stupid error messages. |
| 00:17.42 | Groktar | oic |
| 00:17.52 | Groktar | it has his contact info in the battle.net account now |
| 00:17.59 | Groktar | ugh |
| 00:19.10 | Groktar | so dude merged my priest's account with his bnet account about six months after wotlk |
| 00:19.29 | Groktar | and now it won't let me copy the priest to my warrior's account |
| 00:19.32 | Shefki | orionshock: Looks like SendAddonMessage no longer spits out You are not in a party. |
| 00:19.36 | Shefki | orionshock: I just tried it. |
| 00:19.55 | Groktar | because it keeps the tard's name on his b.net account |
| 00:20.14 | orionshock | im getting it all over the place in BG |
| 00:20.43 | Shefki | orionshock: Does it still spit it out if you do /run SendAddonMessage("foo","text","RAID") |
| 00:20.47 | Shefki | When you're in a battleground? |
| 00:21.34 | orionshock | one sec, need to re queue |
| 00:21.38 | Shefki | k |
| 00:21.47 | Shefki | And you're on 3.3.3 or 3.3.5? |
| 00:21.51 | orionshock | live |
| 00:21.59 | Shefki | That doesn't answer the question. |
| 00:22.02 | Shefki | Both are live right now. |
| 00:22.05 | Shefki | Depending on your region. |
| 00:22.28 | orionshock | US Live |
| 00:22.33 | orionshock | so 3.3.5 |
| 00:24.38 | Groktar | nuts, posting first and last name in the name change doesn't work |
| 00:24.41 | Groktar | that would have been awesome |
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| 00:25.14 | Groktar | demands lazy programming |
| 00:25.39 | Repo | 10blizzsucks: 03Shefki 043.3.5.1 * 4c325af /: [new tag] Tagging as 3.3.5.1 |
| 00:25.56 | orionshock | Groktar, the last names / both names have to match on the source and destination bnet account |
| 00:26.05 | orionshock | if they don't then ur screwed |
| 00:26.56 | Groktar | yeah |
| 00:27.22 | Groktar | i don't understand why they let him merge an account with a different first/last name |
| 00:27.53 | Groktar | oh well, i have a level 66 priest on another account |
| 00:27.56 | Groktar | i'll just play that instead |
| 00:28.19 | Adirelle | Shefki, SendAddonMessage positively sends "no player named XXX plays" (or whatever it is in english) if you whisper "unknown" players |
| 00:28.57 | Groktar | oh, shit |
| 00:28.58 | Adirelle | which can happen a lots with poorly-coded addon and cross-server whispers |
| 00:28.59 | orionshock | Shefki, yes it does that |
| 00:29.00 | Groktar | it's got my warlock |
| 00:29.02 | Groktar | not my priest |
| 00:29.13 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.38 | Shefki | Wonder if it's safe to hook SendAddonMessage. |
| 00:29.42 | Shadowed | sure |
| 00:29.46 | Shadowed | that's what CTL does |
| 00:29.50 | Shefki | CTL? |
| 00:29.55 | Shadowed | chatthrottlelib |
| 00:30.02 | Shadowed | Actually it might use a secure hook |
| 00:30.03 | Shefki | Ahh |
| 00:30.05 | Adirelle | it isn't used by Blizzard |
| 00:30.08 | Shadowed | but yea |
| 00:30.29 | Shefki | I'll just hook SendAddonMessage and make it do nothing in the cases that it's going to spit out an error. |
| 00:30.36 | Shefki | Since that's what it really should do. |
| 00:30.55 | Adirelle | I think some cases are a bit tricky |
| 00:30.58 | Shefki | Actually not sure how I can fix the whisper problem. |
| 00:31.22 | Shefki | Battleground/Raid issues can be trivially worked around. |
| 00:31.29 | Adirelle | I'm not sure how arena are considered |
| 00:31.33 | Adirelle | battleground ? |
| 00:31.46 | Shefki | arena is considered a battleground. |
| 00:33.10 | Shefki | I'll mess with it later, don't have time to test all the variations and figure out how to fix it. |
| 00:33.11 | orionshock | CTL actually uses both a direct hook and a secure hook, just to make sure it get's everything |
| 00:33.19 | Shefki | Alternatively I can just use a chat filter probably. |
| 00:33.25 | orionshock | & i think it's WIM causing the spam atm. |
| 00:34.03 | Shefki | As far as I'm concerned they shouldn't print errors to users from SendAddonMessage(). |
| 00:34.10 | Groktar | uhh |
| 00:34.15 | Groktar | i think the priest got hacked |
| 00:34.17 | Groktar | she's naked |
| 00:34.22 | Groktar | completely |
| 00:34.26 | Shefki | ownt |
| 00:35.15 | orionshock | Groktar, Mobile Authenticator :) it's your friend |
| 00:35.32 | Shefki | I don't really trust the mobile authenticator. |
| 00:35.43 | Shefki | Kinda defeats the point IMHO if you put the info into a computer. |
| 00:35.44 | Wobin | why not? |
| 00:35.46 | Funkeh` | what's not to trust about it |
| 00:35.50 | Shefki | Which is what cell phones are. |
| 00:35.58 | Wobin | the point being? |
| 00:36.18 | Wobin | you realise the hardware authenticator |
| 00:36.21 | Wobin | ... is a computer |
| 00:36.29 | Shefki | Yes but not one connected to a network. |
| 00:36.30 | Wobin | cause it... has to be? |
| 00:36.35 | Shefki | And that has no way to connect to one. |
| 00:36.36 | Funkeh` | i use it since im too cheap to have a smartphone |
| 00:36.41 | Wobin | ah |
| 00:36.45 | Shadowed | Mobile authenticators are fine really |
| 00:36.46 | Shefki | A mmobile phone is by it's very nature, connected to a network. |
| 00:36.48 | Wobin | so it's not that you don't trust the authenticator |
| 00:36.54 | Wobin | it's that you don't trust your mobile |
| 00:37.00 | Shadowed | They aren't as secure as a hardware one, but the odds of someone actually trying to hack that are basically nil |
| 00:37.20 | Funkeh` | but i don't mind carrying it around |
| 00:37.24 | Funkeh` | not tha ti do that much |
| 00:37.32 | Shadowed | The nice part about the mobile authenticators, are the fact that you can use apps like the one Antiarc did |
| 00:37.33 | pompy1 | well that was weird and cool at the same time.. wow crashed but i didnt lose any settings i set during that session or whisper history |
| 00:37.46 | Shadowed | so if you lose your phone or forget it, you can still generate another one using the same info |
| 00:37.57 | Funkeh` | if you loaded a zone or leloaded ui you wouldn't |
| 00:38.13 | Wobin | If I lose my phone |
| 00:38.25 | Wobin | I'm not going to be worried so much about logging into WoW =P |
| 00:38.28 | Funkeh` | you've got bigger things to worry about than your wow account imo :P |
| 00:38.39 | Shadowed | eh |
| 00:38.48 | Shadowed | It's a pain in the ass to unlink an authenticator if you lose a phone, or forget it |
| 00:39.03 | orionshock | just write down your auth SN |
| 00:39.05 | Shefki | They've made it easier. |
| 00:39.10 | Shadowed | Did they? |
| 00:39.11 | Shefki | I've already removed an authenticator once. |
| 00:39.12 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 00:39.13 | Funkeh` | the chances of that happening are about the same as being hacked imo |
| 00:39.20 | Shadowed | What'd they change it to |
| 00:40.19 | Shefki | You used to have fax paperwork. |
| 00:40.19 | Shefki | Now you can just call in as long as you have your CD key and secret question. |
| 00:40.19 | Shadowed | People have their CD key OR secret question? :P |
| 00:40.19 | Shadowed | My secret Q/A was something like |
| 00:40.19 | Shadowed | "ab!#$134" |
| 00:40.37 | Shefki | I think not having to fax in a photo id is a hell of a lot easier. |
| 00:40.43 | Shadowed | true |
| 00:40.54 | Shadowed | They really should let you change your secret Q/A if you email them a bunch of stuff |
| 00:41.02 | Shadowed | err, fax |
| 00:41.35 | Shefki | I'm guessing the faxed id wasn't sustainable for them. |
| 00:41.47 | Shefki | And pissed people off when it took 2 days to process. |
| 00:42.06 | kagaro | hey nev |
| 00:42.09 | Shadowed | It probably didn't help that they had hackers associating authenticators with accounts |
| 00:42.12 | orionshock | IMO let them get pissed off |
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| 00:42.21 | Shefki | Shadowed: Good point. |
| 00:42.21 | orionshock | their account security not blizzard's |
| 00:42.40 | Shadowed | oh Shefki, did you see the SUF commit from earlier |
| 00:42.47 | Shadowed | It looks like the boss units didn't get completely fixed |
| 00:42.48 | Shefki | No? |
| 00:42.53 | Shefki | Shadowed: Figures. |
| 00:42.54 | Shadowed | They fire some events, but not everything |
| 00:43.04 | Shefki | Ohh so it's fucked up like focus used to be. |
| 00:43.05 | Shadowed | Like Val fires UNIT_AURA, but not UNIT_HEALTH |
| 00:43.11 | Shadowed | How did focus used to be fucked? |
| 00:43.23 | Shefki | focus back in BC used to fire some events but not all. |
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| 00:43.41 | Shefki | Like you'd get events for it changing but not for health updates. |
| 00:43.44 | Shadowed | ah |
| 00:43.52 | Shadowed | Yea, pretty much |
| 00:43.59 | Shadowed | I never tested it with gunship, but I assume it's the same |
| 00:44.12 | Wobin | ugh |
| 00:44.18 | Wobin | I have yet to see a health bar for gunship |
| 00:44.29 | Shadowed | What UF? They definitely exist |
| 00:44.33 | Wobin | I have no idea what I have to click to see =P |
| 00:44.37 | Wobin | yours =) |
| 00:44.42 | Shadowed | oh |
| 00:44.52 | Shadowed | Wobin: /suf -> Enabled Units -> Boss |
| 00:44.54 | Shadowed | check that |
| 00:45.01 | Shadowed | I should probably enable those by default |
| 00:45.07 | Wobin | granted, I think the raid view is all screwy for me |
| 00:45.11 | Wobin | I can't hide them =( |
| 00:45.15 | Shadowed | ? |
| 00:45.16 | Shadowed | wat |
| 00:45.25 | kagaro | nevcairiel: latest alpha of Ace3Tab broke tab compeltion |
| 00:45.27 | Wobin | I had to shrink them down and stick them in the corner |
| 00:45.32 | Shadowed | What do you mean |
| 00:45.38 | Wobin | I might just wipe my settings and start from scratch |
| 00:46.00 | Wobin | Well, no matter what I selected, I couldn't -not- see the raidframes |
| 00:46.16 | Wobin | since I use freebgrid, I don't need extra raidframes |
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| 00:46.46 | Shadowed | Errrrr |
| 00:46.52 | Shadowed | You went into enabled units and unchecked raid right? |
| 00:46.58 | Wobin | yep |
| 00:47.00 | Shadowed | And you are sure you didn't have raid set to be shown while in a specific zone? |
| 00:47.04 | Shadowed | in zone configuration? |
| 00:47.08 | Wobin | pretty sure |
| 00:47.17 | Shadowed | How sure is pretty sure? :P |
| 00:47.28 | Wobin | Pretty sure in not being able to check right now |
| 00:47.32 | Shadowed | That's the only reason they should be showing up if you disabled them in enabled units |
| 00:47.33 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 00:47.47 | Wobin | is there something I can trawl in the SV to check? |
| 00:47.52 | Wobin | I think I can access a copy of that |
| 00:47.55 | Shadowed | sec |
| 00:48.08 | Shadowed | Look for visibility |
| 00:48.43 | Shadowed | ["visibility"] = { to be accurate I guess |
| 00:49.37 | Wobin | hm, I have a lot of set to 'true' there |
| 00:49.46 | Wobin | That's probably it then |
| 00:49.49 | Shadowed | Do you see a ["raid"] = true |
| 00:49.52 | Wobin | yes |
| 00:49.57 | Shadowed | I hate you :P |
| 00:50.02 | Wobin | Sorry =) |
| 00:50.12 | Shadowed | Actually that gives me an idea |
| 00:50.13 | Wobin | I'd gone and un'enabled' the unit |
| 00:50.22 | Wobin | and expected it to not show at the time I guess |
| 00:50.35 | Shadowed | Yea, the zone configuration stuff tends to confuse people |
| 00:51.04 | Shadowed | But I have an idea! |
| 00:51.06 | Wobin | and at that point, people were engaged in combat, so that possibly didn't help either |
| 00:51.30 | Shadowed | haha |
| 00:51.33 | Wobin | I was like "Ohnoes, HUGE RAID FRAMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN OF PEOPLE DYING" |
| 00:53.44 | Groktar | hmm |
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| 00:59.01 | Groktar | is the gnomeregan stuff even active? |
| 00:59.47 | orionshock | now that's odd.. |
| 01:00.01 | orionshock | it's TourGuide that's causing the issues in the BG... tekkub ? |
| 01:06.29 | orionshock | tekkub, TourGuide\Broker.lua:116 --has no BG / Raid Checks. |
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| 01:13.01 | Shadowed | Wobin: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4740817616_bb862f774f_b.jpg that'll probably make it a little bit less confusing for people |
| 01:13.29 | Antiarc | Also, yes, mobile auths are awesome |
| 01:13.34 | Antiarc | I can generate codes with my phone or a Ruby script |
| 01:13.38 | Wobin | Shadowed: that's awesome |
| 01:13.47 | Wobin | Antiarc: But you're not SECURE! =P |
| 01:13.56 | Antiarc | what |
| 01:14.03 | Antiarc | I'm plenty secure |
| 01:14.06 | Wobin | that was the original complaint |
| 01:14.14 | Wobin | because it's connected to a network, it's not secure |
| 01:14.16 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.2.12-1-g4d94927 options/config.lua: [+1 commit] Added help text if you have an unit override set in zone configuration that 'conflicts' with the global one, so people don't forget about ozone overrides |
| 01:14.18 | Wobin | therefore self defeating |
| 01:14.18 | Antiarc | wat |
| 01:14.20 | Antiarc | That's dumb |
| 01:14.29 | Wobin | I never said the complaint made -sense- =P |
| 01:14.37 | Antiarc | If you can get a virus onto my phone and correlate it to my WoW credentials you deserve my account |
| 01:15.08 | Wobin | that's my personal take on it too |
| 01:20.13 | Antiarc | welp |
| 01:20.18 | Antiarc | that explains why my machine is chugging |
| 01:20.19 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/1jZEJ.png |
| 01:20.56 | Torhal | Antiarc: ... |
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| 01:23.22 | Megalon | Antiarc: just close 9 of the 10 porn streams |
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| 01:25.08 | Antiarc | That's one tab. :V |
| 01:25.17 | Antiarc | Not sure what's leaking |
| 01:25.17 | Antiarc | But damn |
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| 01:34.06 | orionshock | Antiarc, how do u generate it with a ruby script ? |
| 01:34.40 | Antiarc | I implemented the algorithm in ruby :P |
| 01:34.45 | orionshock | lol |
| 01:34.46 | Antiarc | And my auth app exposes the token secret |
| 01:34.52 | Antiarc | So I just plug that into my ruby script and boom |
| 01:34.56 | orionshock | nice |
| 01:34.56 | Antiarc | I don't use it, of course |
| 01:35.00 | Antiarc | But it's backup if I ever lose my phone |
| 01:35.06 | orionshock | that's all messed up |
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| 01:57.47 | orionshock | anyone know of a broker display that shows the skill level of gathering skills ? not in a tooltip, but as the text |
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| 02:29.01 | Primer | wtf, I can't find any info on warlock stances |
| 02:29.08 | Primer | surely demon form is one of them? |
| 02:32.09 | Shefki | Primer: I don't think warlocks get stances for demon form. But I wouldn't swear to that. |
| 02:35.44 | Primer | just found it |
| 02:35.45 | Primer | it's 2 |
| 02:35.49 | Primer | so...0 and 2 |
| 02:35.55 | Primer | great work there, Blizz |
| 02:36.00 | Repo | 10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r252 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 02:36.02 | Repo | Fix errors for players with unknown classes, forgot to put an else fall through in. |
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| 03:44.29 | Repo | 10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r254 FriendList/FriendList.lua: |
| 03:44.31 | Repo | Remove status tag from default first line since Blizzard now has the icon to show. |
| 03:45.27 | MysticalOS | spent last 3 hours teaching teaching people the mechanics of defile. somehow people forgot. good times |
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| 04:08.19 | orionshock | defile? |
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| 04:12.13 | Wobin | orionshock: Lich King mechanic |
| 04:12.31 | orionshock | ah, been out of the raid curcit for about a year or more now.. |
| 04:12.51 | orionshock | kinda a good thing for me.. raiding was hell 4 hrs a day, 5 days a week |
| 04:14.13 | Wobin | I'll never be a hardcore raider |
| 04:14.28 | Wobin | two times a week is almost too much for me =P |
| 04:14.44 | orionshock | how many hours each? |
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| 04:35.52 | Repo | 10hudmap: 03Antiarc 07master * v1.1.4-27-g379c201 / (7 files in 4 directories): [+1 commit] Minor bug fixes, add automatic raid icon placement for Sindragosa |
| 04:38.54 | MysticalOS | automatic raid icon placement? |
| 04:45.10 | Antiarc | Puts where-to-stand-for-tombs markers on the ground :) |
| 04:45.16 | asmodai | oh wow |
| 04:45.20 | asmodai | Antiarc commits :| |
| 04:45.22 | MysticalOS | but how do you decide where to stand? |
| 04:45.35 | MysticalOS | multiple pre sets? |
| 04:45.37 | Antiarc | I'm using our guilds' positioning, will offer the option to translate it at some point |
| 04:45.50 | MysticalOS | k that's what i figured |
| 04:46.01 | MysticalOS | where does your guild do it? :) |
| 04:46.05 | Antiarc | On the stairs |
| 04:46.09 | MysticalOS | we double stack tombs on stairs |
| 04:46.13 | Antiarc | Ditto |
| 04:46.13 | MysticalOS | in a triangle |
| 04:46.15 | Antiarc | Slightly staggered |
| 04:46.22 | Antiarc | x x x |
| 04:46.25 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.30 | MysticalOS | ah |
| 04:47.09 | MysticalOS | x x |
| 04:47.11 | MysticalOS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.16 | MysticalOS | double stacked |
| 04:47.28 | MysticalOS | easier to cleave/free |
| 04:47.43 | asmodai | Antiarc: Just woke up and slept bad, so I might not be the brightest candle right now, but does it mean you overlay the world with placement icons/info for positioning? |
| 04:47.47 | Antiarc | If we execute ours properly they're all reachable with FoK :) |
| 04:47.51 | Antiarc | asmodai: yEah. |
| 04:47.59 | Antiarc | I put raid marks at preset coordinates |
| 04:48.03 | asmodai | Antiarc: Did you follow the Blizzard vs ACR stuff? |
| 04:48.07 | asmodai | AVR |
| 04:48.21 | Antiarc | Ofcourse |
| 04:48.29 | Chaoslux | when i saw "On the ground" it was the first thing i was thinking about >> |
| 04:48.29 | asmodai | okay, nvm then ^^ |
| 04:48.33 | Repo | 10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r255 Fu/Fu.lua: First stab at adding Real ID support Fu module. |
| 04:48.34 | MysticalOS | reality of it is, avr was easy to break |
| 04:48.35 | Antiarc | Well, on the overlay |
| 04:48.57 | Aens|Superiority | ooh, speaking of which. hudmap. Why does the jaraxxis fight have a gigantic circle symbol plastered on the map |
| 04:49.02 | MysticalOS | i don't see them going out of their way to break hudmap since it'd have a much vaster impact |
| 04:49.12 | Antiarc | That's a bug |
| 04:49.20 | MysticalOS | heh |
| 04:49.26 | MysticalOS | did yuo fix the tournament bugs? |
| 04:49.41 | MysticalOS | someone opened a new ticket i see instead of noticing mine that's buried on page 2 now |
| 04:49.49 | Xinhuan | MysticalOS, they will break it if necessary |
| 04:49.50 | Antiarc | I haven't done much at all |
| 04:49.56 | Xinhuan | even if it means large impact |
| 04:50.01 | Antiarc | I just did the sindra stuff because we were doing Sindra tonight |
| 04:50.05 | Antiarc | And now I'm back to real work :P |
| 04:50.30 | Xinhuan | they basically put out a warning by disabling AVR, that they might if other addons try to emulate it |
| 04:50.55 | Aens|Superiority | the way they phrased it, it was just the 3d world drawings |
| 04:51.06 | Aens|Superiority | that they had any concerns about |
| 04:51.16 | Xinhuan | 2d world drawings that work as overlays comes -dangerously- close as well |
| 04:51.39 | Xinhuan | and if more work is added, such as rotation on the overlay |
| 04:51.43 | Antiarc | I contacted Blizzard directly and asked if it was a no-no in light of AVR |
| 04:51.50 | MysticalOS | maybe, if they did it'd probably be 4.0, i don't see them mass breaking mapcoord based addons in a minor patch but ya never know. i'd be sasd if they broke map coords though. they'd have to really consider finally adding a range api then |
| 04:51.51 | Antiarc | They said "we aren't saying no" which is as close to a blessing as I'd get. |
| 04:52.15 | Xinhuan | ya so i'm saying if you contonue to add features like automated raid placements for sindra |
| 04:52.20 | Xinhuan | it may go over the line |
| 04:52.21 | Shefki | Why would they have to consider anything. |
| 04:52.37 | Shefki | We went for several years without any range API other than the pathetic interact distances and spells. |
| 04:52.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah they could just take coords away for instances again and most of this wouldnt be possible anymore, but you could still do some but limited fancy stuff with hudmap |
| 04:52.59 | Xinhuan | MysticalOS, they can break it by maling the map coords function calls Protected and only usable by addons out of combat |
| 04:53.03 | Xinhuan | making* |
| 04:53.05 | Shefki | I'm surprised they haven't taken away the ability of getting map coordinates to addons in instances already. |
| 04:53.17 | Antiarc | I surprised they added it to begin with |
| 04:53.25 | Shefki | I agree. |
| 04:53.28 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 04:53.28 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 04:53.29 | Shefki | I was shocked when they added it. |
| 04:53.51 | Shefki | Honestly, I suspect someone didn't fully understand the implications of giving us that info or.... |
| 04:54.04 | Shefki | Someone higher up told them to do it anyway becuase they wanted instance maps and didn't care. |
| 04:54.18 | MysticalOS | well, back in those days range 10 pretty much a sgood for everything, now adays most spells are 12 or 8 |
| 04:54.30 | Shefki | Or maybe they've just decided they don't care if we have precise range information. |
| 04:55.00 | MysticalOS | range is fairly harmless, i was surprised they let arrows go on though |
| 04:55.16 | Wobin | orientation? |
| 04:55.26 | Shefki | MysticalOS: You can't remove one without the other. |
| 04:55.30 | MysticalOS | i know |
| 04:55.30 | Antiarc | Well, if you have precise ranges positions are trivial to derive. |
| 04:55.33 | Shefki | Unless they just gave us a range API. |
| 04:55.44 | Antiarc | I know basic trig, that wouldn't stop anything :P |
| 04:56.00 | MysticalOS | my point exactly. do I expect it no, but would be surprised if they went tha route, not really |
| 04:56.19 | Shefki | I don't see how you could get position from range if you don't have a clue in which direction from you they are standing. |
| 04:56.37 | Wobin | you ask them |
| 04:56.41 | Antiarc | Because you have 24 other people in the raid |
| 04:56.49 | Antiarc | And you can triangulate positions |
| 04:56.56 | Shefki | True. |
| 04:57.02 | Antiarc | Like I said, basic trig :P |
| 04:57.19 | Arrowmaster | its not really the range but the absolute positioning, now remember i quit at the start of wrath so i dont know anything about the post naxx encounters but i understand theres ones with a similar mechanic to the void reaver orbs that goto the possition a player was at when the spell was cast |
| 04:57.21 | Shefki | I hadn't thought about doing comms to share that the ranges, but yeah. |
| 04:57.34 | Antiarc | I was actually working on a HudMap module to derive boss positions in realtime using similar mechanics, but Blizzard said that would be a bit too far, so I scuttled it. |
| 04:58.09 | Shefki | That would be too far? lol |
| 04:58.11 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: yeah, rotface has a simlar mechanic |
| 04:58.27 | Antiarc | I was told they don't want clients to have that info |
| 04:58.32 | Shefki | I don't see why they care that addons know where bosses are. |
| 04:58.33 | Antiarc | So I stopped working on it |
| 04:58.45 | Antiarc | I had it working pretty well, too :D |
| 04:58.50 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: thats one of the main things blizz didnt like about AVRE right? it put a visable area on the ground telling you 'dont stand here' |
| 04:58.53 | Antiarc | Was accurate to a couple of yards |
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| 04:59.02 | Wobin | well it's just an extension of 'where X raid member is' |
| 04:59.10 | Wobin | except you can't get their position directly |
| 04:59.23 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: yeah |
| 04:59.24 | MysticalOS | i think blizzard just didn't want poeple drawing a penis on game anymore. |
| 04:59.29 | Wobin | now it's a visible area on the hudmap |
| 04:59.36 | Wobin | that turns red if you're standing in it |
| 04:59.39 | Arrowmaster | thought it was more of 'where X raid member was at Y time' |
| 05:00.39 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: oh yes. I was responding to Antiarc in that last comment |
| 05:00.52 | Wobin | in regards to the boss position |
| 05:01.04 | Arrowmaster | i mean we could always do 'range to raid member X' when raid member X has some debuff or something that means stay away from him, just that range accuracy wasnt perfect |
| 05:01.51 | Arrowmaster | but now its perfect accuracy and you can do range to absolute points in the world because they added coords |
| 05:02.08 | Arrowmaster | its really all their fault for adding coords |
| 05:05.44 | MysticalOS | well blizz knew about trade/insect being abused for ranges for a long time, either one could have easily been disabled in combat, they just didn't really mind it |
| 05:05.54 | MysticalOS | bandages, well they obviously can't disable those in combat |
| 05:06.24 | Arrowmaster | that wasnt an exact range though |
| 05:07.24 | MysticalOS | affected by hitbox so yeah not exact |
| 05:08.53 | Wobin | insect? |
| 05:08.58 | MysticalOS | inspect* |
| 05:08.58 | Wobin | oh inspect |
| 05:09.08 | MysticalOS | i fail at typing |
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| 05:16.33 | Repo | 10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r256 Fu/enUS.lua: Oops forgot to commit the localization file. |
| 05:17.40 | MysticalOS | could be worse, you could commit the wrong local. |
| 05:17.52 | MysticalOS | i remember logging in and having entire mod in russian |
| 05:18.00 | asmodai | lol |
| 05:25.07 | Repo | 10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r257 Fu/Fu.lua: |
| 05:25.09 | Repo | Fix an error when the tooltip is up and a Real ID friend logs out. |
| 05:27.18 | asmodai | a real log out |
| 05:29.27 | asmodai | hahaha, Apple now getting flak from left-handed specialist groups telling them their usability sucks with the iphone 4. The irony. |
| 05:31.00 | MysticalOS | bah wow crashed graphics driver agai |
| 05:32.29 | MysticalOS | looks like i just gotta get used to not using namepaltes |
| 05:34.03 | Shefki | Is the ability to do formatting like this new to 3.3.5? "%1$s %2$s |
| 05:34.59 | Shefki | e.g. |
| 05:35.05 | Shefki | string.format("%2$s %1$s",'foo','bar') |
| 05:35.12 | Shefki | Spits out "bar foo" |
| 05:36.41 | Shefki | Because the default Lua string.format certainly doesn't support it. |
| 05:37.33 | Shefki | Ok some European, got a second to try something for me? |
| 05:37.39 | asmodai | hmm? |
| 05:37.49 | Shefki | Try /dump string.format("%2$s %1$s",'foo','bar') |
| 05:37.54 | Shefki | Tell me what it spits out. |
| 05:37.56 | asmodai | moment -- need to log in |
| 05:37.58 | Shefki | Or if it errors. |
| 05:41.12 | asmodai | [07:41:02]Dump: value=string.format("%2$s %1$s",'foo','bar') |
| 05:41.13 | asmodai | [07:41:02][1]="bar foo" |
| 05:41.25 | Shefki | Hmm interesting, wonder how long that's been in. |
| 05:42.10 | asmodai | Honestly can't tell you ^^ |
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| 05:51.56 | Repo | 10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r258 Fu/Fu.lua: Add a faction icon in front of Real ID Toon Names |
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| 05:55.09 | Repo | 10ora3: 03a9012456 * r439 locales/zhTW.lua: zhTW update |
| 05:56.16 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03ananhaid * r7491 Northrend/Locales (3 files in 1 directory): BigWigs: |
| 05:56.30 | Repo | - zhCN/zhTW update. |
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| 06:19.25 | Xinhuan | Shefki, the string.format("%2$s %1$s",'foo','bar') |
| 06:19.31 | Xinhuan | thing has been in since like vanilla wow |
| 06:19.39 | Xinhuan | mainly for localization purposes |
| 06:19.47 | Xinhuan | where word ordering is different |
| 06:19.54 | Xinhuan | in a sentence |
| 06:21.06 | Xinhuan | mostly only found in globalstrings.lua |
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| 06:24.59 | Shefki | I'd just never seen it and it's not documented anywhere that I can find in the community documentation |
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| 06:48.56 | Torhal | Shefki: http://www.wowwiki.com/Localizing_an_addon |
| 06:52.48 | Shefki | That's a rather oblique reference to it though. |
| 06:53.50 | Torhal | Yeah - nothing solid at all |
| 06:54.13 | Torhal | I just remembered seeing it a few years ago |
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| 06:55.24 | Adirelle | Torhal, Shefki, this formatters are inherited from C printf |
| 06:55.46 | Shefki | I don't remember C's printf having that capability. |
| 06:56.45 | Adirelle | maybe early C doesn't, but modern C does |
| 06:56.45 | Shefki | And in fact my copy of Lua won't take that. |
| 06:56.55 | TradeMark | whose leg do I have to hump to get an addon approved? :P |
| 06:57.05 | Torhal | Shefki: http://paste.wowace.com/2133/ |
| 06:57.07 | Shefki | Several of us can do it. |
| 06:57.12 | TradeMark | http://www.wowace.com/addons/raid-list-export/ |
| 06:57.24 | TradeMark | would be much appreciated |
| 06:57.36 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/raid-list-export/. Raid List Export. Tifordin (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 06:57.48 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libbabble-subzone-3-0/. LibBabble-SubZone-3.0. arith (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 06:58.10 | Wobin | TradeMark: there, you can now hump Torhal's leg =) |
| 06:58.18 | Adirelle | Shefki, right, mine doesn't either, it is possible that Blizzard introduced it in its local copy |
| 06:58.20 | Torhal | Nah. Wobin's will do. |
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| 06:58.48 | Wobin | rents his leg out for $100/hr |
| 06:58.48 | Adirelle | s/local copy/lua implementation/ |
| 06:58.48 | Adirelle | lacks some more sleep |
| 07:01.09 | Adirelle | Shefki, $n placeholder is a POSIX extension and isn't even in C99 (latest C version), see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printf#printf_format_placeholders |
| 07:01.44 | Torhal | Adirelle: You missed my past URL above? :D |
| 07:01.46 | Shefki | Torhal: Where's that from? |
| 07:01.50 | Torhal | s/past/paste/ |
| 07:01.56 | Torhal | Shefki: man 3 printf |
| 07:02.00 | Shefki | Ahh |
| 07:02.27 | Shefki | That explains it, I was writing C code with whatever it was before C99. |
| 07:02.40 | Shefki | I haven't been doing much C since then. |
| 07:02.43 | Adirelle | Torhal, maybe, it seems I'm not totally awake, though I drank my coffee pot already |
| 07:02.54 | Torhal | Shefki: Well, the man page even says what Adirelle said already - The C99 standard does not include the style using '$', which comes from the Single Unix Specification. |
| 07:03.34 | Adirelle | anyway, wow's lua accepts them |
| 07:03.56 | Shefki | Yeah I noticed it when I looked at the format string for real names for Real ID. |
| 07:03.59 | Adirelle | anyone heard of the D language ? (not joking) |
| 07:04.09 | Torhal | Heard of it, but that's all |
| 07:04.46 | Adirelle | just discovered it a few days again (and well, the first release is dated from june...) |
| 07:05.03 | Torhal | Weird. I remember hearing about it in the 90s |
| 07:05.05 | vhaarr | (last year) |
| 07:05.13 | vhaarr | Torhal: he means a recent Google invention |
| 07:05.22 | Torhal | Ah |
| 07:05.25 | vhaarr | no wait |
| 07:05.36 | vhaarr | I might just be tired and confusing one thing with another now |
| 07:05.47 | vhaarr | shuts up and gets coffee |
| 07:06.42 | Adirelle | "A stable version, 1.0, was released on June 9, 2010." |
| 07:06.52 | Shefki | vhaarr: BTW curse you for your taint screw up in AuldLangSyne |
| 07:06.53 | Adirelle | (from wikipedia, which is sometimes lying) |
| 07:07.03 | Torhal | BTW, Shefki - apparently BlizzSucks is generating zips prepended with an underscore...but the ToC is prepended with an exclamation. Which is it? :) |
| 07:07.19 | Adirelle | Torhal, blame internet ! |
| 07:07.36 | Shefki | Torhal: That's what wowace uses for ! in the filename. |
| 07:07.45 | Shefki | BugGrabber does the same thing. |
| 07:07.58 | Shefki | I tried to get around it. |
| 07:08.02 | Shefki | Couldn't. |
| 07:08.04 | Torhal | Ok, I see that now. |
| 07:08.07 | Shefki | So I said ohh well. |
| 07:08.56 | Shefki | Looks to me like it used to make files with ! in it until December and they they changed to _. |
| 07:09.02 | Torhal | Apparently someone didn't want to escape the ! |
| 07:09.02 | Shefki | Probably a fix to some sort of problem. |
| 07:11.45 | vhaarr | Shefki: what, that must've been a long time ago? |
| 07:11.58 | Shefki | It was. |
| 07:12.11 | Shefki | You took the hook on GetWhoInfo from a secure hook to a normal hook. |
| 07:12.16 | Shefki | Probably to avoid a C stack overflow. |
| 07:12.23 | Shefki | But you tainted the bloody raid UI by doing that. |
| 07:12.32 | Shefki | And you could have stopped the stack overflow with a mutex. |
| 07:13.34 | vhaarr | yeah I remember doing that, but not to what purpose |
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| 07:13.51 | Shefki | Well I fixed it today. |
| 07:14.06 | Shefki | I also got rid of the GetFriendInfo hook that also tainted the raid UI. |
| 07:14.48 | Shefki | Need to rewrite the whole damn thing from scratch really so I can move it to Ace3 and git rid of the silly LibFriends and LibGuild. |
| 07:14.55 | vhaarr | anyway I don't accept your curse for what must be more than 2 years old, I don't even remember what I did fucking yesterday |
| 07:15.19 | Shefki | I don't care, I have the proof, I found it in the svn repo. :P |
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| 07:16.48 | vhaarr | I would've done the same thing:P |
| 07:17.48 | Shefki | I was mostly looking to try and figure out why it was done that way so I could figure out what I needed to accomidate when I undid it. |
| 07:18.18 | vhaarr | surely there's a commit message to go with the change |
| 07:18.31 | vhaarr | like "Bugfix", I often use that |
| 07:18.45 | vhaarr | :P |
| 07:20.06 | Shefki | vhaarr: AuldLangSyne: Forcefully hook and taint GetWhoInfo. |
| 07:20.14 | Shefki | r67 | rabbit | 2006-11-16 07:22:28 -0800 (Thu, 16 Nov 2006) | 1 line |
| 07:20.33 | Shefki | Love how you acknowledged that you knew it would taint. :P |
| 07:22.54 | Torhal | So it was more than two years ago. :D |
| 07:24.02 | vhaarr | now I am curious, but any attempt to jog my memory at this point would be futile I think |
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| 07:37.34 | asmodai | chuckles |
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| 07:44.21 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: imho LibGuild is a good thing, or at least the shared timer in it is good although really there is a better way to do it without a library but that means teaching everybody the correct way instead of just pointing them to a library |
| 07:47.25 | Arrowmaster | correct way is that when you have a timer triggering GuildRoster() to reset your timer both when it triggers and on receiving a GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE event |
| 07:47.55 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: I guess, it just seems like something the normal API does fairly well. But yeah I'm sure some people abuse it. |
| 07:48.40 | Arrowmaster | but so many addons that triggered GuildRoster() on a timer didnt reset it on GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE so when youve got 4 addons with timers all wanting to trigger it every minute instead you could end up with it going off every 15 seconds |
| 07:49.13 | Shefki | Umm LibGuild runs it every 15 seconds. |
| 07:49.32 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 07:49.59 | Arrowmaster | so any additional requests by other addons end up getting ignored by the server, but they still get sent to the server |
| 07:51.14 | asmodai | chuckles |
| 07:51.18 | asmodai | got to love an IT department |
| 07:51.27 | asmodai | bunch of them wearing sneakers, shorts and tshirt |
| 07:51.35 | Wobin | that's my entire company |
| 07:51.47 | asmodai | and here I come in a Boss shirt, long jeans and decent leather shoes |
| 07:52.01 | asmodai | outdressed his manager today XD |
| 07:52.23 | Arrowmaster | i at least wear a polo shirt and nice leather shoes |
| 07:52.30 | asmodai | Arrowmaster: \o/ |
| 07:52.31 | TNZe | and then asmodai goes on irc |
| 07:52.33 | TNZe | to brag |
| 07:52.37 | asmodai | TNZe: Nah |
| 07:52.39 | TNZe | ruining the entire thing XD |
| 07:52.56 | asmodai | Just funny to see the differences. Since there's some other people dressed similar to me as well. |
| 07:53.05 | asmodai | And normally my manager does wear suits XD |
| 07:53.05 | Arrowmaster | i got used to my highschool dress code that i still dress the same |
| 07:53.46 | asmodai | TNZe: Just like the difference between us deodorant-using and non-using techies :P |
| 07:54.55 | Shefki | I'm a t-shirt, jeans and sneakers type of guy. |
| 07:55.07 | Shefki | It's rare to see me in anything else. |
| 07:55.51 | asmodai | Whatever makes you feel comfortable. |
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| 08:13.30 | Adirelle|work | ~seen seerah |
| 08:13.32 | purl | seerah <~Ryan@c-98-251-190-189.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 7h 25m 9s ago, saying: 'some classes were like that already, but yes'. |
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| 08:42.03 | Shefki | Ackis: ping |
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| 08:46.51 | asmodai | Bibi: awake? |
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| 08:48.06 | asmodai | Fisker: in the whole debate of iPhone and how to hold it, I present this lovely nugget: http://i.imgur.com/fxeRB.jpg |
| 08:48.16 | Bibi | asmodai: maybe |
| 08:48.48 | asmodai | Bibi: Are you aware that currently wowtal generates duplicate URL strings? |
| 08:49.46 | Bibi | yeah, that's fixed for cata release. |
| 08:49.47 | Bibi | :p |
| 08:49.53 | asmodai | Bibi: Hehehe |
| 08:50.06 | Bibi | -x remaining points when you relink a build? |
| 08:50.07 | Bibi | etc? |
| 08:50.15 | asmodai | Bibi: no no, let me give you an example, second |
| 08:51.21 | Repo | 10libfail-1-0: 03mysticalos * r246 LibFail-1.0.lua: *Fixed double reporting on malleable goo fails. |
| 08:52.52 | asmodai | Bibi: e.g. http://www.wowtal.com/#k=Qsfw0EMR61io.9dw.priest |
| 08:53.10 | asmodai | Bibi: notice how Disperson is missing in the right column? In my view it's selected |
| 08:53.32 | asmodai | if you now add it and remove it, it generates a completely different url |
| 08:54.10 | asmodai | It's even more bizarre with a balance druid build |
| 08:55.35 | asmodai | building http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/balance.png gives me http://www.wowtal.com/#k=1kfAb_El52jd.9dw.druid - but loading it creates a funny result |
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| 08:57.06 | asmodai | I'm guessing there's some assumption in the shortening code based on the amount talents in the trees that works with the old ones but not with the new ones. |
| 08:57.11 | asmodai | amount of |
| 08:58.19 | MysticalOS | wow a lot of spam getting through tonight |
| 08:59.01 | asmodai | beta invitation spams? |
| 08:59.15 | MysticalOS | first one was |
| 08:59.22 | MysticalOS | second one is wow gold |
| 09:00.19 | asmodai | in email? |
| 09:00.28 | MysticalOS | in game, slipping by badboy |
| 09:00.30 | asmodai | never gets gold spam in email -- only beta and account ones |
| 09:00.31 | asmodai | ahh ok |
| 09:07.45 | Bibi | asmodai: are you sure it's not just a JS refresh bug? |
| 09:07.49 | Bibi | dispersion gives me http://www.wowtal.com/#k=Qsfw0EMR61iu.9dw.priest |
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| 09:13.01 | asmodai | Bibi: what URL do you get when you build http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/balance.png by hand? |
| 09:13.28 | asmodai | errr, grrr |
| 09:13.35 | asmodai | http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/shadow.png |
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| 09:24.16 | Repo | 10blizzsucks: 03Shefki 07master * 3.3.5.2 BlizzSucks.lua: [+1 commit] Fix a typo that prevented the oneletter abbreviation fix for deDE from working for minutes. |
| 09:24.23 | Repo | 10blizzsucks: 03Shefki 043.3.5.2 * 518eeb9 /: [new tag] Tagging as 3.3.5.2 |
| 09:25.19 | Shefki | Bibi: ^ You should look at that addon. |
| 09:27.54 | Dessa | hah, nice addon name :P |
| 09:30.46 | Repo | 10smartres2: 03myrroddin * r140 SmartRes2.lua: |
| 09:30.48 | Repo | line 1000: change self to SmartRes2 for proper function call |
| 09:32.50 | Shadowed | huh |
| 09:32.57 | Shadowed | I guess they are doing point calculations a few days early now |
| 09:33.33 | asmodai | Shefki: smart versioning btw |
| 09:33.52 | Shefki | For BlizzSucks? |
| 09:34.40 | Repo | 10libhealcomm-4-0: 03Shadowed 04v1.6.6 * e5976a3 /: [new tag] Tagging as release 1.6.6 |
| 09:34.57 | asmodai | Shefki: aye |
| 09:35.03 | sztanpet | @describe blizzsucks |
| 09:35.04 | Repo | sztanpet: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blizzsucks/. BlizzSucks. Fixes UI bugs |
| 09:36.17 | Shefki | Well uploaded to WoWI, now someone just needs to approve it. |
| 09:38.07 | asmodai | Fix the API to open to an addon's configuration category to actually open to it and scroll to it. |
| 09:38.10 | asmodai | oh wow |
| 09:38.32 | asmodai | does this explain why when you type, say, /omen it opens the addon config frame |
| 09:38.33 | Shefki | That's only been broken since 2.4 |
| 09:38.40 | asmodai | but sticks to whatever one you had selected before? |
| 09:38.43 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 09:38.45 | asmodai | ahh |
| 09:38.54 | asmodai | *mental note to install this addon* |
| 09:40.24 | Shefki | ty to whoever approved it on WoWI. |
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| 09:43.04 | asmodai | Shefki: btw, that bufftime fix, does it require updating the description @ http://www.wowace.com/addons/blizzsucks/ -- because it doesn't seem it's mentioned (unless I am misunderstanding what's mentioned). |
| 09:43.21 | Shefki | asmodai: Nope it's in there. |
| 09:43.27 | Shefki | The translation for time abbreviations for a single letter in the German Locale is wrong and are 3 letters. Put them back to a single letter. |
| 09:43.54 | Shefki | So say 5 minutes is abbreviated to 5 Min instead of 5 m which doesn't fit. |
| 09:44.05 | Shefki | Why they changed it for the German Locale I have no idea. |
| 09:44.11 | Shefki | Every other locale is right. |
| 09:44.16 | Torhal | That's been broken at least three patches |
| 09:44.21 | Shefki | Yeah. |
| 09:44.33 | Shefki | I remember arguing with people about that. |
| 09:44.49 | Shefki | I thought they were nuts becuase it was working perfectly for me because I'm on enUS. |
| 09:44.59 | Torhal | Shadowed: What points? |
| 09:45.40 | Shefki | asmodai: My goal is to allow users to more consistently get these fixes. |
| 09:45.53 | Shefki | Those of us in the know have been instally litttle one off addons to fix this or that problem. |
| 09:45.59 | asmodai | ahh ok |
| 09:46.03 | asmodai | the locale one |
| 09:46.03 | Shefki | But most users never see this stuff. |
| 09:46.49 | Shefki | If users do install a one off addon they're on their own to know when to remove it. |
| 09:46.51 | asmodai | Well, in DE localization minutes is abbreviated as Min (Minuten), and not m -- so from a localization standpoint it's correct, from UI perspective it's wrong since it's too wide. |
| 09:47.05 | asmodai | wonders why Blizzard did that |
| 09:47.25 | Shefki | asmodai: Note there are two abbreviation formats. |
| 09:47.51 | Shefki | INUTE_ONELETTER_ABBR = "%d m"; |
| 09:47.58 | Shefki | Note the pharse ONELETTER |
| 09:48.11 | mitch0 | beware the pharse! |
| 09:48.16 | Shefki | MINUTES_ABBR = "%d |4Min:Min;"; |
| 09:48.52 | Shefki | That last one begs the question why the |4Min:Min; |
| 09:48.56 | Shefki | They're the same. |
| 09:49.01 | Shefki | *sigh* |
| 09:49.40 | asmodai | Shefki: I'm talking pendantic localization here, for all I know DE has no single letter localization form for minutes like English has. |
| 09:49.45 | asmodai | CLDR has: |
| 09:49.47 | asmodai | <unitPattern count="one">{0} Minute</unitPattern> <unitPattern count="one" alt="short">{0} Min.</unitPattern> |
| 09:50.08 | Shefki | asmodai: Well the German speakers who complained about it tend to disagree. :) |
| 09:50.20 | Shefki | Dessa: Fill us in here. |
| 09:50.24 | asmodai | Shefki: *nod* -- let me dig some more. |
| 09:50.32 | Shefki | Is 'm' an appropriate abbreviation for minute? |
| 09:50.35 | Torhal | Feh. Sleep. |
| 09:50.44 | asmodai | Torhal: Zzzz |
| 09:51.40 | Shefki | asmodai: If it says oneletter I think it should be oneletter. |
| 09:51.54 | asmodai | Shefki: Sure, I understand where you are coming from. :) |
| 09:52.07 | Shefki | If they'd called it MINUTES_SHORT_ABBR I'd be much less inclined to consider this a bug. |
| 09:52.16 | asmodai | Mmm, never mind even, en short form is min. |
| 09:52.29 | asmodai | wonders where they hid even shorter forms. |
| 09:52.46 | Shefki | asmodai: Well m should be meter. |
| 09:52.54 | Shefki | But in this case I think everyone realizes they mean minute. |
| 09:53.16 | Shefki | I don't think anyone in any locale would be confused by that. |
| 09:53.23 | asmodai | True. |
| 09:53.34 | asmodai | Peculiar change -- wonder what inspired it. |
| 09:53.35 | Shefki | You could argue that US people are less likely to be confused because hardly anyone uses meters here. |
| 09:53.56 | Dessa | erm, not folling atm, sorry |
| 09:53.59 | Shefki | asmodai: But then why as it m for the UK people then. :) |
| 09:54.07 | Dessa | s&folling/following/ |
| 09:54.12 | Dessa | yay, fail. |
| 09:54.23 | Shefki | Dessa: Would you think that 10 m would be an ok abbreviation for 10 minutes in German? |
| 09:54.39 | Dessa | yes |
| 09:54.41 | Shefki | Especially when you're space constrained. |
| 09:54.53 | asmodai | Well, in the context you are putting it, sure. |
| 09:54.56 | Shefki | There you go, even a German thinks it's dumb. :P |
| 09:55.07 | asmodai | But just stand-alone I personally be more inclined to think meter. |
| 09:55.18 | asmodai | (Outside of the current topic though) |
| 09:55.34 | Shefki | asmodai: Right. |
| 09:55.40 | Dessa | yep |
| 09:55.53 | asmodai | Peculiar change indeed. |
| 09:56.10 | Shefki | I'd also punt on it if they'd changed ALL the locales. |
| 09:56.16 | Shefki | But they only messed with deDE. |
| 09:57.04 | asmodai | Yeah, that's strange, because Spanish would use 'min' then. |
| 09:57.16 | Shefki | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/bufftimedisplayfixer/images/1-buff-time-display-fixer-before-after-comparison/ |
| 09:57.25 | Shefki | It even looks retarded on their UI. |
| 09:57.41 | asmodai | ah yes |
| 09:57.49 | asmodai | it's the real localization change |
| 09:57.54 | asmodai | Including the period after Min. |
| 09:58.07 | Shefki | Some moron in the localization department probably went "Ohh but m is meters" |
| 09:58.11 | Shefki | And changed it. |
| 09:58.25 | Shefki | Without having a clue how it was used. |
| 09:58.30 | asmodai | Yeah, since he used the real official localization short form for Minute(n) |
| 09:58.35 | asmodai | Which is 'Min.'. |
| 09:59.02 | asmodai | That's Deutsche Grundlichkeit for ya. ;) |
| 10:01.49 | Fisker | you asmodai |
| 10:04.06 | asmodai | Yes, me asmodai. You Jane. |
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| 10:06.13 | Fisker | no, me Tarzan, you jane! |
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| 10:45.42 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r493 modules/ChatFrames.lua: |
| 10:45.44 | Repo | set the clamp during addon load to prevent the frames from jumping around |
| 10:48.29 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar 043.3.19 * r494 : Tagging as 3.3.19 |
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| 10:55.15 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 07cataclysm * r2710 Core (3 files in 1 directory): -- Fix filter bug |
| 10:55.17 | Repo | -- Fix bug with extraText of lootpages |
| 11:00.44 | asmodai | Shefki: btw |
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| 11:01.19 | asmodai | Shefki: happen to know if the line drawing issues on the minimap is a global problem? It seems like it's always displayed with an offset to the right |
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| 11:52.08 | kagaro | Shefki: if you can figure out what causes the quest log track button to stop working and add that to blizz sucks |
| 11:53.08 | asmodai | kagaro: I cannot say I encountered that one. |
| 11:53.29 | asmodai | did have those blob marks of the worldmap stay on his normal view as well one time though. |
| 11:53.38 | kagaro | its really random, I see it happen like once or twice in a wek |
| 11:57.01 | Xinhuan | i have encountered it |
| 11:57.05 | Xinhuan | and i can't replicate it either |
| 11:57.10 | kagaro | Nev you there? |
| 11:57.23 | asmodai | probably at work |
| 11:57.37 | kagaro | r945 of ace3tab craps out |
| 11:57.45 | kagaro | r943 works go figure |
| 11:59.33 | kagaro | http://paste.wowace.com/2134/ |
| 12:01.17 | sylvanaar | i made a patch for acetab |
| 12:01.32 | kagaro | ah so you saw it too sylvanaar? |
| 12:01.44 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r556 / (2 files in 1 directory): anti-phishing/anti-goldspam update |
| 12:02.10 | sylvanaar | kagaro: yeah, its a tiny change to fix it, and make tab complete work again |
| 12:03.27 | sylvanaar | kagaro: http://ace.pastey.net/138105 |
| 12:03.31 | kagaro | ty |
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| 12:04.54 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude 04v5.0.1.6 * r557 : Tagging as v5.0.1.6 |
| 12:05.01 | kagaro | hrmm |
| 12:05.25 | kagaro | acetab-3.0 r945 has a loop that adds the right chatframeXeditbox to its list. |
| 12:05.47 | sylvanaar | oh did someone patch it already? |
| 12:06.01 | kagaro | ya, but forsomereason when i hit tab the blizz chatframes error out |
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| 12:08.46 | sylvanaar | wierd |
| 12:08.58 | kagaro | ohh hrmm ChatEdit_CustomTabPressed is secure called |
| 12:09.04 | kagaro | in blizz code |
| 12:09.15 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 12:09.27 | sylvanaar | its been like that forever no? |
| 12:10.22 | kagaro | if i downgrade acetab to r493 tabs works again |
| 12:10.42 | sylvanaar | try it with my patch instead |
| 12:10.49 | kagaro | ill try it now |
| 12:13.45 | sylvanaar | it works for me with the patch i gave, idk something is wrong with the is335 stuff |
| 12:14.07 | Fisker | omg sylvanaar |
| 12:14.40 | kagaro | same issue |
| 12:14.47 | sylvanaar | what? |
| 12:14.56 | kagaro | as i type the completion popup is show BUt if you hit tab it errors |
| 12:15.05 | Fisker | omg kagaro |
| 12:15.23 | asmodai | shuts down Fisker |
| 12:15.41 | Fisker | naw man |
| 12:15.44 | Fisker | i'm like skynet |
| 12:15.46 | Fisker | SKYNET |
| 12:16.07 | sylvanaar | kagaro: make sure that you up the library version in the patched file so that you are running the right one |
| 12:16.23 | asmodai | Skynet can be blown up. |
| 12:16.26 | kagaro | i disembedded it, so i load the right one |
| 12:17.34 | sylvanaar | i get tab completions with the version i have, but errors with the trunk copy |
| 12:17.35 | sylvanaar | idk |
| 12:17.53 | Fisker | skynet can be rewritten asmodai |
| 12:18.34 | kagaro | im addind in a little more debug to trace |
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| 12:21.31 | kagaro | ahh interesting |
| 12:21.50 | kagaro | if f == ChatEdit_GetActiveWindow() comes back as nil on PEW |
| 12:22.31 | kagaro | so that first if block in hook frame never evalulates |
| 12:25.27 | sylvanaar | i see, it only works after a reloadui |
| 12:27.26 | sylvanaar | its going to need (ChatEdit_GetActiveWindow() or ChatFrame1EditBox) |
| 12:28.36 | kagaro | found it |
| 12:28.37 | sylvanaar | or f.editBox |
| 12:28.42 | kagaro | line 60 |
| 12:28.49 | kagaro | well close to there |
| 12:29.13 | kagaro | in hook frame |
| 12:29.32 | kagaro | the return of GetScript returns a string, so its calling the original function without passing in the frame |
| 12:29.41 | kagaro | return origOTP(f) fixes it |
| 12:29.58 | kagaro | well causes it to not error out, noon online in guild now |
| 12:30.03 | kagaro | to double check it |
| 12:30.21 | sylvanaar | remember that it works after reloadui |
| 12:31.35 | kagaro | ok that fix works at all times |
| 12:31.54 | sylvanaar | what about the origCTP above |
| 12:32.12 | sylvanaar | looks like it has the same bug |
| 12:32.20 | kagaro | it needs the frame passed in as a param |
| 12:33.57 | kagaro | since AceTab evals true in OnTabPressed it calls the original function to handle it, but since frame isnt passed in, the Tab handler is passed a nil for self |
| 12:35.32 | sylvanaar | wonder how long that bug has been there |
| 12:35.40 | kagaro | i think its new |
| 12:35.49 | kagaro | with the changes |
| 12:37.37 | kagaro | i cant patch ace3, so gotta wait for someone who can to get on and fix that |
| 12:37.43 | sylvanaar | yeah |
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| 12:44.14 | Arrowmaster | wait theres an acetab-3.0? |
| 12:45.37 | kagaro | yes |
| 12:50.25 | Repo | 10chatter: 03kagaro 07master * v1.2.2-2-g0d2e3b4 Modules (3 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 12:50.27 | Repo | 0d2e3b4: Forgot to ADD the AutoWhisper module in the previous commit. Fix wrong editbox object in PlayerNames module |
| 12:50.28 | Repo | 664a36e: Adjusted tab completion for chateditbox. |
| 12:51.45 | asmodai | Arrowmaster: snuck in while you weren't watching |
| 12:51.46 | asmodai | ;) |
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| 12:56.58 | kagaro | [Ammo]: you around? |
| 12:59.18 | Repo | 10wowequip: 03Xinhuan 07master * v1.2-6-ge0d8652 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Fix errors when trying to link items in chat that due to patch 3.3.5. The fix is backwards compatible. |
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| 13:05.08 | kagaro | sylvanaar i appened the fix to the open ticket for Ace3 |
| 13:09.26 | Xinhuan | sylvanaar, not quite |
| 13:09.32 | Xinhuan | it |
| 13:09.39 | Xinhuan | [6/28 20:27:25] <sylvanaar> its going to need (ChatEdit_GetActiveWindow() or ChatFrame1EditBox) |
| 13:09.59 | Xinhuan | should be if ChatEdit_GetActiveWindow and ChatEdit_GetActiveWindow() or ChatFrameEditBox) |
| 13:10.02 | Xinhuan | to be backwards compatible |
| 13:10.22 | Xinhuan | assign that to a local var first |
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| 13:59.57 | Repo | 10postal: 03Xinhuan * r285 Modules/BlackBook.lua: |
| 13:59.59 | Repo | Fix friends list in the BlackBook module. The friends menu dropdown will now show all eligible friends on the same faction and realm that Postal can determine (from friends and RealID) |
| 14:00.25 | Xinhuan | above fix is backwards compatible |
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| 14:17.03 | steev | mmm, spam |
| 14:17.11 | steev | http://www.curse.com/articles/nfsw/760152.aspx |
| 14:18.08 | asmodai | woooooooooooooo |
| 14:18.13 | asmodai | 1-0 for NL |
| 14:18.35 | Zyn | Robben gonna rob |
| 14:19.32 | asmodai | Must feel good for him after being injured so long |
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| 14:33.27 | asmodai | Strange card on Robben there :S |
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| 14:50.01 | [Ammo] | kagaro: I am always around, just msg me your question and I'll respond when I check my screen |
| 14:50.36 | kagaro | [Ammo] I posted a fix for AceTab-3.0 in the tick was jsut letting you know |
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| 15:39.33 | pentium166 | I need to figure out how to make irssi not highlight the channel when Repo says something |
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| 16:08.40 | Repo | 10realid-toons: 03Starinnia 041.1.0 * r11 : Tagging as release 1.1.0 |
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| 16:12.03 | yoshimo | @project libbabble-subzone-3-0 |
| 16:12.04 | Repo | yoshimo: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libbabble-subzone-3-0/. LibBabble-SubZone-3.0. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. arith (Manager/Author). Updated: 26 hours ago |
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| 16:14.40 | asmodai | wooo, won 2-1, nice |
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| 16:16.15 | Zyn | sure is gibberish |
| 16:16.19 | Repo | 10broker_whoroll: 03profalbert 07master * v0.91-beta-43-g5ba940e Core.lua: [+1 commit] add logging-code |
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| 16:16.58 | asmodai | Zyn: mmm? |
| 16:17.10 | Zyn | oh was just Robben on TV |
| 16:17.14 | asmodai | hehehe |
| 16:17.53 | Zyn | ~wowstatus |
| 16:18.06 | Zyn | FINE |
| 16:18.15 | asmodai | ~wowalert ? |
| 16:18.16 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 16:18.22 | Zyn | yes |
| 16:18.46 | Zyn | getting alzheimers |
| 16:19.10 | Repo | 10chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.1.2-1-g481e586 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Use latest available revision of libraries instead of the latest tagged revision. |
| 16:20.02 | Repo | 10chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 04v2.1.3 * ab7233b /: [new tag] Tagging as v2.1.3 to pull new libraries. |
| 16:23.47 | Repo | 10tourguide-midsummerfestival: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v1.0-1-ge7c4430 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Added patch submitted by seancwatson, adding and updating co-ordinates to the Horde guide. Thanks! |
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| 16:24.18 | Repo | 10tourguide-midsummerfestival: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v1.0-2-g200d9e4 TourGuide_MidsummerFestival.toc: [+1 commit] Bump version. |
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| 16:30.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | Kaelten: http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?ChatCore |
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| 16:38.20 | asmodai | pentium166: I might have a solution |
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| 17:34.20 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth * r293 / (8 files in 8 directories): Midsummer mining run |
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| 17:47.55 | asmodai | oww |
| 17:47.56 | asmodai | Hero update |
| 17:48.02 | asmodai | deconfigures his mobile auth app |
| 17:49.13 | nevcairiel | Hm the silly AceTab code isnt really compatible with multiple chat frames and editboxes |
| 17:50.39 | Kaelten | sylvanaar: iirc I heard that it's implementation was based on irssi |
| 17:50.46 | Kaelten | and wasn't really ideal for obj-c's design patterns |
| 17:51.43 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r946 AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: |
| 17:51.45 | Repo | AceTab-3.0: Hopefully fix the nil-index issue and make tab completion work again |
| 17:51.54 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar, kagaro: try 946, i can't test until wednesday =P |
| 17:52.31 | nevcairiel | it still needs some major fixage to work with multiple chat boxes, though |
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| 17:55.29 | Kaelten | hello |
| 17:56.25 | Repo | 10libbabble-subzone-3-0 (experimental): 03arith * r4 LibBabble-SubZone-3.0.lua: French translation added, also fix the encoding issue |
| 17:57.34 | nevcairiel | hey Kaelten, sup? |
| 17:58.06 | Repo | 10libbabble-subzone-3-0 (experimental): 03arith * r5 LibBabble-SubZone-3.0.lua: fix file encoding issue |
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| 18:04.11 | nevcairiel | ~seen arith |
| 18:04.13 | purl | arith <~cb436cef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.67.108.239> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 19d 9h 37m 30s ago, saying: 'yes, that's what I am doing, I am collecting those info to build a database'. |
| 18:04.13 | nevcairiel | does that guy come to irc? |
| 18:04.13 | Torhal | Not that I'm aware. Is this regarding his Babble experimental dealie? |
| 18:04.14 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 18:04.14 | Torhal | Figured :) |
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| 18:05.41 | Kaelten | netsplit! |
| 18:05.41 | Kaelten | ya |
| 18:06.09 | durcyn | we've got purl, we win. |
| 18:06.09 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: how are things? |
| 18:06.10 | nevcairiel | warm |
| 18:06.10 | Torhal | Kaelten: No, he won't do your homework for you. |
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| 18:11.39 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://paste.wowace.com | http://lua.org | Curse Client v4: http://www.curse.com/client | WoWInterface Minion: http://minion.mmoui.com/ | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23 |
| 18:12.56 | pentium166 | Hello |
| 18:13.24 | asmodai | pentium166: /dehilight or /help levels |
| 18:15.18 | pentium166 | Cool, thanks |
| 18:15.28 | asmodai | haven't tried it yet |
| 18:16.40 | pompy | <02:13:27 PM>[W From] [80:Martaug]: sry but we kind of wanna get past plague quarter. 5.1k gs aint rly enough |
| 18:16.41 | pompy | lol |
| 18:16.58 | kagaro | pompy .. hahahaha |
| 18:17.11 | asmodai | wtf? |
| 18:17.17 | asmodai | wtf |
| 18:17.25 | asmodai | plague quarter? |
| 18:17.27 | asmodai | Naxx? |
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| 18:18.03 | pompy | icc |
| 18:18.10 | asmodai | I was about to say |
| 18:18.15 | asmodai | But still |
| 18:18.19 | kagaro | i thought you meant naxx too |
| 18:18.22 | asmodai | Fuck GS |
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| 18:18.44 | kagaro | ive seen 6k+ GS hunters that cant break 6k dps in icc25 .. so yeah fuck gearscore |
| 18:19.34 | asmodai | Fuck GS: Bring the Player, Not the Score |
| 18:19.50 | asmodai | Interesting, thought they would wipe my phone, but got all my apps still |
| 18:20.03 | kagaro | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ysera&n=Broadsword <â that guy cant break 4k dps |
| 18:20.12 | pompy | lol |
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| 18:20.28 | durcyn | asmodai: Fuck Players, Most Of Them Are Idiots Anyway. |
| 18:20.45 | asmodai | durcyn: Blizzard can't use that one, would alienate too many ;) |
| 18:21.00 | marshen | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nathrezim&cn=Savage this guy cant break 6k dps with lolforge |
| 18:21.12 | asmodai | kagaro: wth |
| 18:21.43 | asmodai | my shaman has like gear a few notches below him and I get to about 3k or so |
| 18:21.43 | kagaro | its funny as shit asmodai you see him in voa25 and the rest of the raid is laughing the entire time |
| 18:22.06 | kagaro | 95% autoshot |
| 18:22.26 | pentium166 | maybe he never switched from the one-button hunter macro |
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| 18:22.47 | asmodai | lol, http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&cn=Dionise <-- bad example now, was just working my last few weapons to the max 400 XD |
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| 19:08.33 | asmodai | wth |
| 19:08.37 | asmodai | that's a very fast 2-0 |
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| 19:14.47 | GER|koaschten | Scammers are getting more desperate it seems |
| 19:14.57 | GER|koaschten | i got a faked item restoration mail |
| 19:15.15 | GER|koaschten | with the only link in it being a masked link to the "faq" leading to a fake site... |
| 19:19.33 | Primer | I get those all day every day |
| 19:19.53 | nevcairiel | i only get fake beta mails now |
| 19:20.20 | Shefki | I don't see any of the mails, they don't go to the right address so they're all filtered. |
| 19:20.40 | nevcairiel | i only see them in the spam folder |
| 19:20.52 | nevcairiel | but i look in there once a day to clear it, and possibly catch a false positive |
| 19:21.08 | GER|koaschten | yeah i probably should rotate my mail address more and make more use of the alias+somesite@gmail.com feature |
| 19:21.26 | GER|koaschten | nevcairiel i cba with once a day, once a week or two for me |
| 19:21.44 | nevcairiel | there are times at work when i'm just bored enough to do that |
| 19:21.51 | nevcairiel | usually shortly before lunch |
| 19:21.52 | Primer | nevcairiel: same here |
| 19:21.53 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 19:22.07 | nevcairiel | or after i get in, and before breakfast |
| 19:22.20 | nevcairiel | dont like to get deep into stuff before a break |
| 19:22.34 | Primer | I once wrote a script to feed one of those pages a ton of fake username/passwords |
| 19:22.38 | GER|koaschten | hmm ok, thats a total newcomer.... email spam for ingame currency purchase... |
| 19:23.17 | GER|koaschten | goldjojo.com |
| 19:23.39 | durcyn | what makes you think you should spread the URL around |
| 19:24.35 | Primer | There are times I wish I had a botnet...I'd write a more intelligent script that could detect the form fields and flood them with bogus username/password combos from the botnet |
| 19:25.02 | Primer | like, single click feed the URL to the script and have it do the rest |
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| 19:26.55 | GER|koaschten | nevcairiel but my favourite from my week old spam folder is definitly this one: "WM INFO" Deutschland hat verloren! Sei du kein Verlierer und stehe deinen Mann! Jetzt zugreifen und informieren unter http://*beep*/potenzmittel-apotheke |
| 19:27.08 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 19:27.42 | GER|koaschten | omg we lost 4:1 :( |
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| 19:53.17 | asmodai | my colleague is letting his daughter play with Talking Carl on the iPad |
| 19:54.20 | asmodai | in case you don't know it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEbqVTivD0s |
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| 20:14.16 | kagaro | wow point calcs flux a lot |
| 20:14.55 | kagaro | 50 point swing in less than 16 hours? |
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| 20:20.14 | nevcairiel | yeah something went bananas there |
| 20:20.32 | kagaro | ya kaelten said it crashed and he had to restart it |
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| 20:21.14 | Shadowed | it tries to make sure you end up at X points at the end of the month |
| 20:21.30 | Shadowed | so if it crashes or something like that, it'll give you more then a lot less |
| 20:22.11 | nevcairiel | I got one thing really low, and one really high |
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| 20:22.23 | nevcairiel | both averaged still higher then the stuff before |
| 20:22.28 | kagaro | ya |
| 20:22.43 | Shadowed | Not that huge of a jump |
| 20:22.54 | Shadowed | got about a 11% jump |
| 20:23.13 | nevcairiel | 660 is my average normal generation, then i got one 880, and one 580 |
| 20:23.29 | Shadowed | yea 11% |
| 20:23.50 | Shadowed | not bad |
| 20:23.56 | nevcairiel | the average of both is 11%, yes |
| 20:24.00 | nevcairiel | the jumps themself are higher |
| 20:24.13 | Shadowed | wait what |
| 20:24.45 | nevcairiel | 660->880 is clearly more then 11% |
| 20:25.03 | kagaro | mine avg out to around 205 |
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| 20:25.33 | Shadowed | I'm mostly going off of what Kaelten told me about it, but it's "supposed" to average itself out |
| 20:25.38 | kagaro | but last spurt was 275 â> 185 |
| 20:25.43 | Shadowed | so while everyone got a large jump, it balances out with a smaller one today |
| 20:25.50 | Shadowed | so it's the average of the 2 days you want to look at, not the individual |
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| 20:26.11 | kagaro | ya no biggie just stuck out to me |
| 20:26.23 | Shadowed | Tomorrow it'll be whatever the 2 days ago one * 1.11 is I assume |
| 20:29.34 | nevcairiel | man why is it so hard to find some not completly over-sized PC case that has enough space to put 12 HDDs in it, without the need to buy expensive 5.25->3.5 hotswap bays |
| 20:29.54 | wink | hehe |
| 20:30.05 | Shadowed | well you see nevcairiel |
| 20:30.08 | Shadowed | most people aren't insane |
| 20:30.11 | Shadowed | and try to put 12 HDDs in it |
| 20:30.30 | wink | nevcairiel: poke me tomorrow, I might know someone to ask |
| 20:31.23 | nevcairiel | I found some that have 9 slots, and alot of free 5.25 slots, could get one of those and put one of the bays in there once i filled up the hdd bays |
| 20:31.36 | nevcairiel | but they are generally so huge |
| 20:34.16 | kagaro | nev buy a raid drive chassis they are prety cheap |
| 20:35.32 | kagaro | http://www.norcotek.com/ |
| 20:35.35 | nevcairiel | an external SAS case with 4 slots would be nice, could get one of those controllers tha thave 4 internal and 4 external ports |
| 20:36.33 | kagaro | ive got the DS-1500 |
| 20:37.15 | Fisker | i want you nevcairiel |
| 20:37.25 | nevcairiel | how does that connect to the system? |
| 20:38.15 | kagaro | external sata |
| 20:38.22 | kagaro | esata connectors |
| 20:38.35 | kagaro | so you need a controll box |
| 20:39.23 | nevcairiel | i already have a box, but i want to expand in the near future, so i'm basically looking for place to store the hdds i want to connect |
| 20:39.43 | nevcairiel | man external SAS enclosures are pricy |
| 20:39.51 | GER|koaschten | nevcairiel what about http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a295820.html |
| 20:40.05 | GER|koaschten | 8 internal, 1 external, 4x 5.25 |
| 20:41.25 | nevcairiel | apparently cant put a cooler in the front, which would be nice when its full of hdds |
| 20:42.25 | GER|koaschten | http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a474027.html |
| 20:42.40 | GER|koaschten | http://p.gzhls.at/4027/474027/474027-3.jpg |
| 20:42.45 | GER|koaschten | internal pic |
| 20:42.47 | nevcairiel | yeah thats one of the cases on my list |
| 20:43.01 | GER|koaschten | 2 fans in the front |
| 20:43.07 | nevcairiel | the 2 5.25 slots would give me 3 extra 3.5 |
| 20:43.07 | GER|koaschten | fractal design builds some awesome cases |
| 20:43.11 | nevcairiel | so at 11 |
| 20:43.13 | GER|koaschten | considered getting the array one |
| 20:43.24 | GER|koaschten | but you cant get that in germany yet :( |
| 20:44.45 | nevcairiel | I'll probably get the fractal design, 10+1 discs is still quite nice for that price |
| 20:45.01 | nevcairiel | unless i find something better |
| 20:45.24 | GER|koaschten | hell, 85 buxx for a case isnt expensive |
| 20:45.34 | nevcairiel | 10 2TB raid disks is alot of space to fill |
| 20:46.02 | wink | nevcairiel: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ |
| 20:46.03 | nevcairiel | well, 8 with useful data, 2 for parity |
| 20:46.39 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 20:46.52 | wink | they win |
| 20:47.57 | GER|koaschten | the backblaze system is awesome, i read that blog post some time back |
| 20:48.02 | GER|koaschten | they did an awesome custom job |
| 20:48.50 | GER|koaschten | but well, it's not exactly what i would want to put into a cabinet in my flat :D |
| 20:48.56 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 20:49.40 | Fisker | i'm very sick GER|koaschten |
| 20:49.46 | wink | we know |
| 20:49.52 | GER|koaschten | thats an issue with nationality Fisker |
| 20:49.57 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 20:50.00 | Fisker | btw what the shit? |
| 20:50.52 | nevcairiel | I should build me a LackRack, sadly 19" enclosures are usually way too loud |
| 20:51.29 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: this is the logic it employes (monthly_budget - budget_spent) / (days_in_month - date.day + 1) |
| 20:51.48 | GER|koaschten | I want a fractal design array case, with an i3 and 2 dvb-c tuner nevcairiel... and a 46" screen :& |
| 20:51.56 | GER|koaschten | but i dont get that either ;) |
| 20:52.33 | wink | I want an atom dualcore NAS with 2 disks |
| 20:52.34 | nevcairiel | i have an antec htpc case, its not tiny like those, but looks good next to my other AV equipment |
| 20:53.18 | nevcairiel | i still need to fill it with components |
| 20:53.23 | nevcairiel | only have a PSU :P |
| 20:53.51 | nevcairiel | still not sure what to get =/ |
| 20:54.35 | Fisker | that case looks like shit :( |
| 20:54.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | the people on the prat page are angry today |
| 20:55.21 | Fisker | why? |
| 20:55.24 | Fisker | no 3.3.5 upgrade? |
| 20:56.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | no they are in the EU so they are mad that i upgraded |
| 20:56.17 | Fisker | oh |
| 20:56.20 | Fisker | understandable |
| 20:56.30 | wink | I downgraded |
| 20:56.31 | Fisker | people who don't make their addons compatible with 3.3.3 are twats |
| 20:56.32 | Fisker | :3 |
| 20:56.34 | wink | stupid monkeys |
| 20:56.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | meh |
| 20:56.41 | Shefki | Earth to Europeans, your addons are working fine, don't update. |
| 20:56.42 | wink | took 3min and a relog |
| 20:57.08 | wink | Shirik: not bleeding edge enough |
| 20:57.11 | Shefki | Fisker: In the case of chat and friends list addons, the changes are so extensive it'd be more work than is reasonable for making it compat with both. |
| 20:57.18 | Fisker | Earth to Shefki some people have autoupdates enabled |
| 20:57.30 | Shefki | Turn it off then. |
| 20:57.30 | Fisker | well to be fair |
| 20:57.34 | Shefki | You knew you'd be a week behind. |
| 20:57.35 | Fisker | the real twats are Blizzard |
| 20:57.39 | Mihau | sylvanaar_atwork: Do you need more testors? |
| 20:57.49 | Fisker | noone is going to remember that anyway Shefki |
| 20:57.53 | nevcairiel | Shefki: not everyone reads the community news on a daily basis |
| 20:58.04 | wink | agreed, I missed it completely |
| 20:58.16 | kagaro | i think bnet will be smashed again tommarrow when EU is patched |
| 20:58.18 | Shefki | Then downgrade and deal with it and then turn your updates off. |
| 20:58.22 | Fisker | (if) |
| 20:58.25 | NeoTron | there should be a way to specify minimum required version in an addon, and have the updated adhere to the region you're running it in.. or something |
| 20:58.26 | sylvanaar_atwork | Mihau: i do when i make more changes today, yeah |
| 20:58.44 | NeoTron | that way in EU it'd use the correct version as long as it's available |
| 20:58.44 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: wait, smart new features in the curse client? no way! |
| 20:58.57 | sylvanaar_atwork | i agree NeoTron, but go look at the suggestion at the most downvoted suggestion |
| 20:59.01 | Shefki | Imagine this, there's thing thing called the Interface version. |
| 20:59.17 | Shefki | If blizzard actually used it right and updated it everytime they made major changes... |
| 20:59.24 | Shefki | Then features like that would already exist. |
| 20:59.25 | nevcairiel | That wouldn't help |
| 20:59.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | they should have updated the interface version though |
| 20:59.52 | nevcairiel | The feature is not magic |
| 20:59.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | that much is for sure |
| 20:59.58 | NeoTron | they didn't upgrade it? |
| 21:00.03 | Shefki | nevcairiel: No of course not. |
| 21:00.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | no |
| 21:00.12 | nevcairiel | The "interface" didn't really change |
| 21:00.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh come on |
| 21:00.19 | Shefki | nevcairiel: But without a properly updated interface version we're forced to reinvent a system |
| 21:00.19 | nevcairiel | they added new APIs, and new events |
| 21:00.21 | NeoTron | that's odd considering it was meant exactly to indicate when incompatible interface changes were made |
| 21:00.22 | Shefki | nevcairiel: BS |
| 21:00.30 | nevcairiel | everything else that changed is their lua |
| 21:00.32 | nevcairiel | not the API |
| 21:00.46 | Shefki | nevcairiel: It's impossible to separate their lua from the API. |
| 21:00.51 | NeoTron | the interface was changed in a way that breaks many addons. I'd say that warrants a bump |
| 21:00.55 | Shefki | You take away FramXML and you can't even play the game. |
| 21:00.58 | Shefki | Even with custom addons. |
| 21:01.00 | nevcairiel | Its actually not many addons |
| 21:01.05 | nevcairiel | its one addon per person, maybe 2 |
| 21:01.13 | NeoTron | sure |
| 21:01.30 | Shefki | nevcairiel: It's still a major incompatable change to a major feature of the API, the chat system. |
| 21:01.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | k but the game is completly based around the chat system |
| 21:01.36 | Shefki | It justified a bump of the interface version. |
| 21:01.51 | nevcairiel | Anyway, it wouldnt change shit |
| 21:01.54 | NeoTron | even so, curse client /site could use a way to limit by at least interface version (minimum required, not "maximum supported officially") |
| 21:02.12 | Shefki | And saying that just adding APIs doesn't justify bumping it is nonsense. |
| 21:02.25 | Shefki | I don't know of a API versioning system that doesn't require a minor bump for that anywhere. |
| 21:02.30 | Shefki | At least not a sane one. |
| 21:02.36 | nevcairiel | wowace even bumps your "compatible version" to whatever is recent, just by commiting after a certain point in time |
| 21:03.13 | nevcairiel | whatever you expect the bumped interface version to change, its not doing it |
| 21:03.35 | NeoTron | in an X.Y.Z versioning scheme, Z is typically releases/builds, Y is compatible interface changes (which would include adding more functionality) and X is a major change that will break compatibility |
| 21:03.35 | Shefki | nevcairiel: If the interface version was updated as needed not justt automatically on a new minor release. |
| 21:03.40 | NeoTron | this case is at least a Y change |
| 21:03.51 | Shefki | Then people might be able to build a system around knowing that an out of date addon wouldn't work. |
| 21:03.52 | nevcairiel | (also, this time around, that point in time was very early during the PTR) |
| 21:03.54 | Shefki | or might not work. |
| 21:03.56 | Shefki | But as it is now. |
| 21:04.02 | Shefki | They updated the interface when there are no changes. |
| 21:04.06 | Shefki | And don't update it when there are. |
| 21:04.10 | Shefki | Which makes it entirely useless. |
| 21:04.26 | Shefki | So everyone just checks Load out of date and authors don't bother to update their toc files. |
| 21:04.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | most downvoted suggestion on the suggestion list /cough /cough |
| 21:04.36 | NeoTron | it was almost better when it was always updated automatically than if it's not updated |
| 21:04.55 | nevcairiel | everyone checks load out of date anyway |
| 21:05.12 | Shefki | Because authors don't bump the TOC because authors realize it's bloody meaningless. |
| 21:05.37 | nevcairiel | no, because alot of authors are gone, but their stuff still works |
| 21:05.37 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: wowace bumps your compatible version before the update is even released :p |
| 21:05.43 | wink | there are addons like BigWigs where you -need- updates and many, many other where you can updater every 6 months and be fine |
| 21:05.50 | Shefki | Shadowed: Sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't. |
| 21:05.55 | GER|koaschten | ITC developers ranting about other developers and stupid habits |
| 21:05.56 | Shadowed | it did for 3.3.5 |
| 21:06.22 | Shefki | Shadowed: 3.3.3 it didn't set me to 3.3.3 for a change tagged a couple hours after servers came up. |
| 21:06.24 | Shadowed | also |
| 21:06.29 | Shadowed | most authors bump TOC |
| 21:06.30 | Shefki | Shadowed: Depends on when someone at curse pulls the trigger. |
| 21:06.36 | Shadowed | very few don't actually bump it |
| 21:06.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | ok, time to go home and get back to work |
| 21:07.04 | Shadowed | unless there is a legitimate point |
| 21:07.06 | Shefki | Shadowed: ## Interface: 30100 |
| 21:07.08 | nevcairiel | i usually bump, but don't tag if there was no other change in the code |
| 21:07.13 | Shefki | ^ SharedMedia |
| 21:07.16 | Shadowed | yea, I'll bump it if I'm releasing other changes |
| 21:07.41 | Shefki | Every bloody patch someone bitches because their textures are gone because they forgot to check load out of date. |
| 21:07.44 | Shadowed | but you see a lot of TOC bumps, altough not so much now since they haven't been doing new tocs |
| 21:08.29 | nevcairiel | If you had to toc bump on every minor patch, even though the changes only affected one category of addons, it would be pretty annoying to do it everytime, and people would stop doing it as well |
| 21:08.45 | nevcairiel | there is no perfect world |
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| 21:09.43 | nevcairiel | Shefki: something must be wrong with your shared media, btw |
| 21:09.45 | Shefki | Well wowace/curseforge should make it a lot easier to bump your TOC files. A web interface to go through your addons and say "Yeah this works." would help a ton. |
| 21:09.45 | nevcairiel | mine is 30300 |
| 21:10.39 | Shefki | How it hasn't been touched since June 2009 |
| 21:10.39 | nevcairiel | bumbed back in december, already |
| 21:10.41 | Fisker | but atleast we can all agree that Blizzard are twats right? |
| 21:11.04 | nevcairiel | Seerah bumped it, 16th of december |
| 21:11.05 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Doesn't matter if nobody tags it. |
| 21:12.04 | Shefki | nevcairiel: A lot of things get bumped and never tagged. Especially libraries. |
| 21:12.18 | nevcairiel | If you use dis-embed, you're on your own. |
| 21:12.33 | Shefki | I'm not using dis-embed anymore except on my own addons. |
| 21:12.44 | nevcairiel | I am, but i know what i'm doing |
| 21:13.06 | Shefki | I used to but CC4 doesn't support it. |
| 21:13.35 | nevcairiel | I'm still happy with my bash update script |
| 21:13.36 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 21:13.37 | GER|koaschten | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/06/500x_beingmonitored.jpg |
| 21:13.40 | GER|koaschten | omg i need that sticker |
| 21:13.43 | GER|koaschten | :/ |
| 21:13.49 | nevcairiel | haha, awesome |
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| 21:14.01 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Well good for you, but that's not how most users are getting updates and most users are gettiing release versions not alpha versions (a good thing) now. |
| 21:14.11 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 21:14.19 | Shefki | But if authors don't tag release versions users don't get them. |
| 21:14.20 | nevcairiel | was just saying that if you disembed, and are a dumb user |
| 21:14.21 | nevcairiel | well |
| 21:14.23 | nevcairiel | sucks to be you |
| 21:14.27 | CodeRedLin | Bash update script you say? |
| 21:14.27 | Adirelle | even with embedde library, if you used the "tag: latest" form, you're dooming the users... |
| 21:14.47 | Shefki | How is that dooming users? |
| 21:14.52 | nevcairiel | Most librarys don't get updates, nor do they require them |
| 21:15.04 | Shefki | Libraries should be tagged. |
| 21:15.08 | nevcairiel | thats probably the main reason they don't get tagged after a .toc bump |
| 21:15.19 | nevcairiel | no need to tag just for a toc update |
| 21:15.21 | nevcairiel | not on a library |
| 21:15.23 | nevcairiel | anyway |
| 21:15.26 | Shadowed | I've smacked people who do tag: latest |
| 21:15.41 | Adirelle | in the case, it does require and has been updated but isn't tagged *and* you're including it using the "tag: latest" form in .pkgmeta... |
| 21:15.51 | nevcairiel | You should check out the library that you use, and see if its sane to use tag: latest |
| 21:15.53 | GER|koaschten | sighs. |
| 21:15.59 | Adirelle | you know, like if you wanted to include only stable releases... |
| 21:16.03 | GER|koaschten | another bag of "mars planets" just disappeared |
| 21:16.08 | Shadowed | The only library I use tag: latest with is Ace3, and that's cause I wanted the softMin/sofMax stuff |
| 21:16.12 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Well at this point even Ace3 isn't being tagged properly. |
| 21:16.18 | nevcairiel | It is |
| 21:16.22 | Shadowed | Ace3 gets tagged, it's just slower |
| 21:16.32 | nevcairiel | I'm not done with all the changes before i tag it again |
| 21:16.53 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Well people are embedding the newer versions. |
| 21:17.06 | nevcairiel | their choice, not saying they can't |
| 21:17.08 | Shefki | So we're in a weird state of it's not the official release but you've got it if you want it or not because people are embedding it. |
| 21:17.34 | Shefki | If you're to the point where more and more people are using your alpha, you probably should tag. |
| 21:17.47 | nevcairiel | most changes in Ace3 since the last tag are internal cleanups, and some UI related fixes, nothing critical |
| 21:18.02 | nevcairiel | nothing to really change to alpha for |
| 21:18.11 | Shefki | softMin/softMax |
| 21:18.25 | nevcairiel | Most people don't even know what that is |
| 21:18.27 | Shadowed | To be fair, the requirement for softMin/softMax wasn't done in an alpha version |
| 21:18.33 | Shadowed | so if you were using tags, you wouldn't have noticed |
| 21:18.38 | Shadowed | errr |
| 21:18.41 | Shadowed | was done in an alpha version |
| 21:18.56 | Shefki | Shadowed: If you have an addon and you're using tags yes you wouldn't have it. |
| 21:19.00 | nevcairiel | yeah, the change that caused the demand for it isnt in the tag either :D |
| 21:19.06 | Shefki | Problem is that users get it becuase other addons don't use tags. |
| 21:19.09 | Shadowed | right |
| 21:19.18 | Adirelle | the issue is that the latest alpha is embedded *by default*, unless you willingly requires a tagged version |
| 21:19.35 | Adirelle | which requires a more verbose construct |
| 21:19.59 | nevcairiel | anyway, there is about 2-3 acegui widgets left that i want to clean up, and hopefully tag then without regressions |
| 21:20.05 | Shefki | So then the existing behavior isn't preserved and I'm forced to move to it earlier than the tag because some authors decided to go off and move to an alpha build. |
| 21:20.10 | nevcairiel | the cleanups always randomly produce some |
| 21:20.58 | Adirelle | Shefki, he probably decided of nothing, just dumbly used "Ace3: url"... |
| 21:21.00 | nevcairiel | Also we have a completly new MLEB, which apparently works better then the old one, but may still have some bugs here or there |
| 21:21.05 | Adirelle | without knowlegde of what it did |
| 21:21.15 | Adirelle | MLEB ? |
| 21:21.22 | Shefki | Adirelle: Both addons I'm thinking of made a deliberate decision to remove tag: latest for Ace3. |
| 21:21.26 | nevcairiel | multi line edit box |
| 21:21.33 | Adirelle | oh, nice |
| 21:21.39 | Adirelle | Shefki, ah, ok |
| 21:21.48 | Shadowed | I think there was some bug fixes on AceGUI that were helpful |
| 21:21.52 | Shadowed | but don't remember |
| 21:23.15 | Adirelle | anywayn Ace3 is pretty stable, even alphas |
| 21:23.23 | Shadowed | indeed |
| 21:23.26 | Shefki | I agree with that. |
| 21:23.33 | Fisker | hey Adirelle |
| 21:23.35 | Fisker | i got a theory |
| 21:23.37 | Fisker | about magic |
| 21:23.39 | Fisker | and miracles |
| 21:23.42 | Fisker | and fuckin' magnets |
| 21:23.44 | Shadowed | needing softMin/softMax was the most backwards breaking change that it's had so far |
| 21:23.46 | Shadowed | since the last tag |
| 21:24.02 | nevcairiel | that was basically a bug fix |
| 21:24.08 | Shadowed | yea |
| 21:24.08 | nevcairiel | the logic was there before, just broken |
| 21:24.09 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:24.21 | Adirelle | Fisker, would mind sucking razor blades in the middle of an highway near you ? |
| 21:24.23 | Shadowed | but it was still relied on for like 2 years :P |
| 21:24.53 | Fisker | wat Adirelle ? |
| 21:25.12 | nevcairiel | But anyway, we've always said that ace3 will remain pretty much stable, even in alphas. Since the last tag i cleaned up alot of the AceGUI widgets which caused a few regressions with rarely used functions, but which got fixed already |
| 21:25.16 | Adirelle | Fisker, short: go DIAF |
| 21:25.26 | nevcairiel | Using tags is nice, btu we know authors don't |
| 21:25.42 | nevcairiel | But i still don't want to randomly tag until i'm done with that cleanup dealy =/ |
| 21:26.07 | nevcairiel | and the new project at work is really eating alot of my coding motivation |
| 21:26.13 | Fisker | why the fuck would i do that Adirelle ? |
| 21:26.30 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I understand that |
| 21:26.57 | Adirelle | Fisker, I'm bored :p |
| 21:27.22 | nevcairiel | Also, someone volunteer to rewrite AceTab to be "better", and work with multiple edit boxes =P |
| 21:27.30 | Kaelten | lol |
| 21:27.41 | Adirelle | ^^ |
| 21:27.50 | Adirelle | could you define "better" ? xD |
| 21:27.56 | Kaelten | you know, BETTER |
| 21:27.59 | Fisker | btw Kaelten |
| 21:28.01 | Adirelle | aaaah, ok |
| 21:28.06 | Fisker | you should just have a remote killswitch for the client |
| 21:28.09 | nevcairiel | the code is a mess |
| 21:28.12 | Fisker | for updates anyway |
| 21:28.22 | nevcairiel | it hasnt been touched since the first days of Ace3 and the chipmunk disappeared |
| 21:28.47 | nevcairiel | the AceConfigCmd integration into AceTab was never finished, and is barely functional, if at all |
| 21:28.55 | Adirelle | best project descriptions fits on a post-it |
| 21:29.21 | Kaelten | Fisker: ? |
| 21:29.21 | Adirelle | chipmunk = ? ckk ? |
| 21:29.26 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 21:29.30 | Kaelten | Adirelle: hyperactivechipmunk |
| 21:29.32 | nevcairiel | hyperactiveChipmunk |
| 21:29.39 | nevcairiel | hasnt been seen for quite a while |
| 21:29.43 | Adirelle | rien |
| 21:29.47 | Fisker | like forever |
| 21:29.50 | Adirelle | s/rien/right/ |
| 21:29.51 | Kaelten | ~seen hyperactivechipmunk |
| 21:29.53 | purl | Kaelten: i haven't seen 'hyperactivechipmunk' |
| 21:29.57 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:29.57 | Fisker | that's how long it is |
| 21:29.59 | Adirelle | woot |
| 21:30.03 | Kaelten | ~seen hyperchipmunk |
| 21:30.04 | purl | hyperchipmunk <n=staharaj@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/hyperactiveChipmunk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 601d 6h 10m 41s ago, saying: 'can connect with either on the beta client'. |
| 21:30.09 | Kaelten | ya..... |
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| 21:30.10 | Adirelle | not everybody runs in fear |
| 21:30.11 | Shefki | Maybe I'll rewrite it if I find the time. |
| 21:30.22 | Kaelten | I should take a stab at it |
| 21:30.29 | nevcairiel | I think i made it work again |
| 21:30.30 | Fisker | that's what, the WotLK beta+ :P |
| 21:30.32 | nevcairiel | at least not error |
| 21:30.35 | Fisker | maybe he'll be here for Cataclysm |
| 21:30.46 | Adirelle | seems I'm really lacking sleep, my french isn't good, my english is worst |
| 21:30.58 | nevcairiel | but if i understand the code right (which i'm not sure i do), i dont think it works with multiple edit boxes |
| 21:31.09 | Kaelten | I have him on ims |
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| 21:31.29 | Fisker | tell him to get back in here |
| 21:31.52 | Fisker | http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/everyone.jpg <-you know what to do |
| 21:32.13 | nevcairiel | Mabye i can get myself to finish up the acegui stuff on the weekend, and maybe at least figure out how AceTab is supposed to work |
| 21:32.20 | nevcairiel | you know, the logic behind it is really not hard |
| 21:32.52 | Fisker | goodnight mr. nevcairiel |
| 21:32.55 | nevcairiel | just wish it wouldnt be so hot |
| 21:33.01 | nevcairiel | Its too hot for sleep, shh |
| 21:33.08 | Kaelten | ya, the AC is broke here in the office |
| 21:33.11 | Kaelten | it's not fun |
| 21:33.34 | nevcairiel | office is fine,the AC is a bit temperamental, but we can get it cooled down |
| 21:33.37 | nevcairiel | but home isnt fun |
| 21:34.22 | Fisker | oh sweet |
| 21:34.25 | Fisker | kindle on the android |
| 21:34.29 | Fisker | now if only i gave a shit :3 |
| 21:34.37 | nevcairiel | screen is too small to read |
| 21:34.45 | nevcairiel | otherwise it would be kinda nice |
| 21:36.04 | Adirelle | we haven't got any AC at my office, today it was around 30°C outdoors, and the same indoors... |
| 21:36.30 | nevcairiel | yeah, without AC in the office .. would be terrible |
| 21:36.31 | sylvanaar | Kaelten: did you see that link for the cococa open-source irc client library |
| 21:36.37 | Kaelten | ya |
| 21:36.44 | Adirelle | at least we're allow to wear shorts and tee-shirts |
| 21:36.51 | Kaelten | iirc, it's based off of irssi and isn't a great fit for cocoa's design patterns |
| 21:37.05 | nevcairiel | t-shirts are no problem here, but i havent seen anyone try shorts |
| 21:37.41 | Adirelle | I'm working in a kind of state research lab |
| 21:38.56 | Adirelle | they are more interested in what your skull contains than in what you are wearing |
| 21:39.09 | GER|koaschten | hmm t-shirt+shorts and chem-labs dont mix, trust me, i have experience |
| 21:39.16 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:39.35 | asmodai | rofl |
| 21:39.42 | Adirelle | :D |
| 21:39.49 | GER|koaschten | lucky me, it was only h2o2 |
| 21:40.02 | Adirelle | actually I'm working in a computer science team |
| 21:40.17 | GER|koaschten | dont call it science if it cant blow shit up :D |
| 21:40.21 | asmodai | Oh |
| 21:40.23 | asmodai | but we can |
| 21:40.30 | Adirelle | so people at lower floor sometimes analyze slurry |
| 21:40.32 | asmodai | remembers a time when viruses could melt monitors |
| 21:40.59 | GER|koaschten | they never could, the closest i recall was frying the bios eeprom |
| 21:41.11 | nevcairiel | I'm working for a big power company, i'm sure i could somehow infiltrate a nuclear power plant with my code |
| 21:41.17 | Adirelle | ^^ |
| 21:41.47 | GER|koaschten | nevcairiel i stuck my nose into Vattenfall Europe IT for half a year in 2007 |
| 21:41.51 | GER|koaschten | was quite interesting |
| 21:42.25 | GER|koaschten | but i didnt get clearance for the high voltage landline monitoring and energy brokering zone of the main building in hamburg QQ |
| 21:43.01 | nevcairiel | I'm working for them now, although its called IS now (information services), but i'm in the e-business team, doing web stuff |
| 21:43.20 | GER|koaschten | yup, thats where i was too |
| 21:43.25 | GER|koaschten | but in the windows server team |
| 21:43.39 | GER|koaschten | been doing some project work on bare-metal restore |
| 21:44.02 | nevcairiel | i'm walking by the control building every morning, they have this awesome big video wall with all lines etc, but they dont let anyone in :p |
| 21:44.36 | GER|koaschten | haha yeah on the way to the s-bahn :D |
| 21:44.54 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: now 6 governmental agencies are monitoring the channel |
| 21:44.56 | Kaelten | at least |
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| 21:45.10 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 21:45.21 | GER|koaschten | Is Wudtke still head of the department? |
| 21:45.40 | nevcairiel | he is head of the IT company |
| 21:45.53 | nevcairiel | well, one of the three |
| 21:46.37 | GER|koaschten | well he was the only one i ever ran into and didnt know, he was kinda astounded i didnt great him when i passed him in the hallway |
| 21:46.39 | GER|koaschten | :/ |
| 21:46.50 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't know how he looks |
| 21:47.18 | nevcairiel | I only met the other guy, Fischer, on some announcement thingy |
| 21:47.32 | GER|koaschten | http://www.vattenfall.de/www/vf/vf_de/Gemeinsame_Inhalte/IMAGE/Portraits/Wudtke.jpg |
| 21:47.35 | GER|koaschten | how can you forget that face |
| 21:47.43 | GER|koaschten | EVER |
| 21:47.44 | GER|koaschten | ;) |
| 21:47.50 | nevcairiel | heh, haven't really seen him, i guess |
| 21:48.24 | GER|koaschten | btw have they shutdown the berlin it branch completely? they were talking about that when i was there |
| 21:48.46 | nevcairiel | nah, some people of infrastructure are still in berlin, and some from our team as well |
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| 21:50.03 | GER|koaschten | i'd actually love to go back to VE IS for a full time job, the cantina is awesome, boss was a relaxed guy and the team was nice too |
| 21:50.15 | nevcairiel | yeah the food is really good |
| 21:50.24 | nevcairiel | who was your team lead back then? |
| 21:50.51 | GER|koaschten | omg gimme a sec to look it up, i gotta have the clearance for it access somewhere that he signed ;) |
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| 21:51.34 | GER|koaschten | Hupfeld |
| 21:51.40 | nevcairiel | never heard of him |
| 21:51.56 | nevcairiel | oh well, it was some time ago |
| 21:52.07 | GER|koaschten | yeah almost 3 years |
| 21:52.28 | GER|koaschten | VE I-XID |
| 21:52.40 | nevcairiel | hm, whats XID |
| 21:52.43 | nevcairiel | i'm XCB |
| 21:53.05 | nevcairiel | gotta look that up tomorrow :d |
| 21:53.21 | GER|koaschten | thats infrastructure, windows and linux servers, backups etc |
| 21:53.47 | nevcairiel | today infracstructure is in Y-... |
| 21:53.53 | nevcairiel | vattenfall infrastrcuture services |
| 21:53.56 | nevcairiel | not VE IS anymore |
| 21:54.00 | GER|koaschten | they guys with the keys to the colo |
| 21:55.05 | nevcairiel | but yeah, its a kinda nice place to work, not sure if its like that in every team, but its really relaxed here as well |
| 21:57.31 | GER|koaschten | a friend of mine is working for the networking/routing team now that i am thinking of it... havent talked with him since 2007, need to see if i can grab him on icq :D |
| 21:57.44 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 21:58.41 | GER|koaschten | yeah but there probably arn't many left from the people i knew there, 2 were closing in on the 65yr mark |
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| 22:04.45 | GER|koaschten | omg... german politicians... suggesting education screening and an IQ test for immigration allowance |
| 22:05.24 | SunTsu | GER|koaschten: well, only if they take one first... :> |
| 22:05.34 | Zyn | get your politicians to stop bleeding out of their vaginas and lift the retarded ban on "voilent games" |
| 22:05.54 | GER|koaschten | if you are 18, you dont have to care |
| 22:06.02 | GER|koaschten | get your fix via amazon or steam ;) |
| 22:06.24 | Zyn | watches the german version of CS:Source ... and facepalms |
| 22:06.44 | GER|koaschten | there is a german version? |
| 22:07.06 | Zyn | that or it's a joke that could very well be real ;P |
| 22:07.30 | Zyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUuABNnTC0 |
| 22:07.55 | GER|koaschten | talking about green blood and "opposing forces sitting down when shot" ? |
| 22:08.42 | Zyn | mhm |
| 22:08.43 | GER|koaschten | oh wait, ahvent seen that before, he kneels down, lays flat on the floor and crosses hands behind head face down? |
| 22:08.48 | GER|koaschten | omg |
| 22:08.49 | GER|koaschten | :D |
| 22:09.04 | Zyn | I remember german Carmageddon :P |
| 22:09.13 | Zyn | not humans, not even zombies ... BUT ROBOTS |
| 22:09.15 | Zyn | ":|" |
| 22:10.42 | GER|koaschten | you wanna see an approved german game? |
| 22:11.03 | GER|koaschten | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abBzmlTDu2Y |
| 22:11.25 | Zyn | PLAYMOBIL? |
| 22:11.27 | Zyn | I'll take 50! |
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| 22:11.45 | GER|koaschten | btw, the vuvuzela button is awesome :D |
| 22:12.08 | Zyn | doesn't work properly in Chrome with HTML5 enabled |
| 22:12.17 | Zyn | (thank god) |
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| 22:17.36 | GER|koaschten | works fine in firefox and html5? *ponders* |
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| 22:19.33 | GER|koaschten | http://www.imagebanana.com/img/nczqf0nq/realID_privacy_1.jpg |
| 22:19.45 | GER|koaschten | woah blizz replied to a ticket about privacy concerns? |
| 22:19.59 | GER|koaschten | http://www.imagebanana.com/img/utwz83lt/realID_privacy_2.jpg |
| 22:20.06 | Rockj | SMALL picture |
| 22:20.08 | Rockj | damnit |
| 22:20.09 | Mihau | How about the full size images? |
| 22:20.26 | nevcairiel | yeah seriously |
| 22:20.27 | Shefki | Good god I can't read that. |
| 22:20.33 | GER|koaschten | oops, uploaded the thumb :D |
| 22:20.36 | nevcairiel | its the freaking thumb |
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| 22:21.59 | GER|koaschten | http://www.imagebanana.com/img/vewetdil/realID_privacy_1.jpg |
| 22:22.02 | jnwhiteh | I would definitely play a lego-world mmo :: |
| 22:22.16 | Mihau | jnwhiteh: Lego Universe! |
| 22:22.16 | GER|koaschten | http://www.imagebanana.com/img/3sqezi5h/realID_privacy_2.jpg |
| 22:22.22 | GER|koaschten | jnwhiteh there is? |
| 22:22.34 | jnwhiteh | I didn't know =) |
| 22:22.44 | GER|koaschten | http://universe.lego.com |
| 22:22.45 | GER|koaschten | ;) |
| 22:23.24 | Rockj | GER|koaschten: that's the standard bs answer they used in the SC2 beta too |
| 22:23.35 | GER|koaschten | preorder now for launch on oct 26th ! |
| 22:23.42 | nevcairiel | yeah, that was not worth reading |
| 22:23.56 | nevcairiel | So sure, i should trust the people i add |
| 22:24.11 | Rockj | I didn't like em to bring in email addy at all |
| 22:24.18 | Rockj | easier for trojans to pick up email address |
| 22:24.22 | nevcairiel | but what about their friends? How do i know i can trust everyone they have on their list? |
| 22:24.23 | Rockj | yai |
| 22:24.56 | GER|koaschten | its bullshit using real names and the account mail |
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| 22:25.09 | GER|koaschten | but no use in re-hashing it for the n-th time |
| 22:25.10 | Rockj | nevcairiel: do you get access to more then it's full name? |
| 22:25.25 | Rockj | like, when viewing friends to friends? |
| 22:25.25 | nevcairiel | i dont care about that, the people i would add to the list can know my name and email |
| 22:25.32 | nevcairiel | but i cant control who they add |
| 22:25.36 | nevcairiel | so not using it |
| 22:25.39 | GER|koaschten | viewing friends of friends you get the real name |
| 22:25.40 | GER|koaschten | i think |
| 22:25.46 | Rockj | but not the email I would assume |
| 22:25.48 | GER|koaschten | they can request to add you and you can deny it |
| 22:25.59 | GER|koaschten | but you dont see the email, at least not in the default gui |
| 22:27.57 | Rockj | I wish someone can put together a well formed letter, I would be glad to send it to our norwegian agency of privacy. http://datatilsynet.no/templates/Page____194.aspx |
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| 23:43.52 | kagaro | its been a while since i went in and didnt have 6 tenacity |
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