IRC log for #wowace on 20100623

00:00.06ShefkiFrankly I think the bottom is more likely to be concerned with privacy than the top.
00:00.11Aens|Superioritywith how much people hated it and posted about it during the sc2 beta, its impossible that ignorance be used as an excuse.
00:00.19koaschtenno matter where it came from, at some point in time a key person lacked the balls to say "we need privacy settings"
00:00.50ShefkiI wish there was something in between sharing everything including my real name.
00:00.56ShefkiBut it's bloody called REAL ID.
00:01.05ShefkiIt's intended to use with your real friends.
00:01.11sylvaanexactly
00:01.16ShefkiDoes it really fit all of our needs, no, but I don't think they ever intended it to.
00:01.21Aens|Superioritybut since when do wow nerds have real friends.
00:01.29ShefkiI have real friends.
00:01.32koaschtenyeah and those are totally fine with knowing who you are and to the last step of associating it with your real name
00:01.35ShefkiI'll be setting up real ID with them.
00:01.46ShefkiOf course I'm going to change my email address on my account for a few days to do it.
00:02.01kagarodont you have to call blizz to shange your email
00:02.05ShefkiNo.
00:02.11ShefkiLog into battle.net, change it.
00:03.08*** join/#wowace arkanes (~arkanes@adsl-69-151-154-186.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net)
00:03.18ShefkiTip: Use + addressing.
00:03.27Shefkiuser+whatever@gmail.com
00:03.36Shefki+whatever can be secret to you and blizzard.
00:03.38koaschtenyou'd wonder how many formulars dont accept the +
00:03.49Shefkithen if you get an email to user+whatever@gmail.com then you know it really came from blizzard.
00:04.06Shefkikoaschten: I'm well aware of sites fucking up on the +, Blizzard fortunately isn't one of them.
00:05.12koaschtenwhich is awesome and i probably will get that done. using it on many occasions already to determine who sold my adress, and it's easier to spam filter somesite+alias@gmail.com than scraping your whole alias
00:05.30ShefkiYup.
00:05.52ShefkiAlso a lot of times you can get places to use the + that won't let you do it on the web.
00:06.02ShefkiJust call and ask them to change your address.
00:06.14ShefkiA lot of times the CS people's systems don't filter and will let them put it in.
00:08.36ShefkiHonestly, RealID is obviously not done.  Just look at the known issues list.
00:08.44Shefki"The Last Online time in the Friends List does not dynamically update."
00:08.51ShefkiThat seems like a pretty core feature.
00:08.53kagarobuttonbin is broken
00:09.08koaschtenneither does the guildinfo on last online Shefki
00:09.17koaschtenyou need to toggle the online offline checkbox for a refresh
00:10.20ShefkiLooks like servers are coming up too.
00:10.48koaschtendid i mention that we dirty euros are thankful for you beta testing patches for us every time they happen? ;)
00:12.36Gnarfozwe just have a better patch rollout team, koaschten ;-)
00:12.56ShefkiGnarfoz: Lies.
00:13.09GnarfozShefki: you know it's true! :>
00:15.13ShefkiMessage: ..\AddOns\AVR\3d.lua line 336: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value
00:15.16Shefki^ lawl
00:15.48kagaroLibJostle gona be tagged released?
00:16.35GnarfozShefki: self.cameraPitch=GetCVar("cameraPitchE")*deg2rad
00:16.37ShefkiProbably needs to be.
00:16.52ShefkiGnarfoz: I know.  I'm just amussed that it's done.
00:17.05Gnarfoz*shrug*
00:17.15koaschtenwas bound to happen
00:17.16Gnarfozthey announced they would do it
00:17.28Gnarfoznot really suprising now, is it
00:17.28Gnarfoz:D
00:17.31koaschteni just dont feel like raiding when the patch drops of eu
00:18.04koaschtensindragosa without raid marks painted on the floor, i don't even need to predict that people fail, i already know the names of people who will
00:18.14pompylol
00:18.20pompy10 and 25 or just 25?
00:18.38Shefkikoaschten: I wrote a custom addon for our guild for that encounter.
00:18.46Shefkikoaschten: Tells people where to stand in a whisper.
00:18.57ShefkiFront Left, Middle, Front Right.
00:18.59Shefki2 people per spot.
00:19.07koaschtenon hardmode?
00:19.12ShefkiYes.
00:19.14koaschtenyou are pushing it
00:19.17WobWork1pompy: dancing as a male bloodelf can cause some very unnatural character movements
00:19.18ShefkiNo.
00:19.18koaschtenarnt you? ;)
00:19.26WobWork1holy scrollback, batman
00:19.28Shefki3 people = dead.
00:19.35Shefki2 = no big deal.
00:19.44ShefkiJust get hots on them before they block.
00:19.44koaschtenwe have people dying with a 2*3 matrix
00:19.58koaschtenon impact
00:20.09koaschtenif they clip another block
00:20.10ShefkiThey're probably getting hit by 3.
00:20.13pompyWobWork1: yeah
00:20.27WobWork1Shefki: also, with the user+stuff@email.com, a good majority of sites don't accept + as a valid email character, else I'd use it more
00:20.33koaschtendont ask me, but you go figure why i know already why i dont want to be there when it drops for eu
00:20.39*** mode/#wowace [+v WobWork] by ChanServ
00:21.28GnarfozWobWork: google plushaters :D
00:21.36pompyShefki: is the 25% buff active?
00:21.38ShefkiWobWork: I know I know. :(
00:21.45Shefkipompy: I don't know, I'd assume yes.
00:21.58Gnarfozpompy: count weeks, check if it's the same amount it took the last 4 times
00:22.03arkaneslogin server busy, and I have to enter my auth code every time in order to get that error :(
00:22.09koaschtenanswer will be no
00:22.15koaschtenand it will be next week
00:22.15koaschten;)
00:22.44ShefkiI keep getitn gknocked off anyway.
00:23.02Shefkikoaschten: MMO Champ said it'd be this week.
00:23.29ShefkiDon't really see why it wouldn't be.
00:23.29koaschtenlast time i did the math it meant last knock up for the buff would be starcraft2 release date
00:23.51koaschtenwhich if you calc back on base of 4 weeks on that, it should be next week, no?
00:24.13koaschtenbut i can't care less about some arbitrary buff that doesn't help against pan caking arthas hardmode ;)
00:24.28pompy"It is possible to have 2 or more windows of the same  conversation open. " .. nice
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00:28.04pompyhttp://nathdown.ytmnd.com/ .. someone made this a long time ago about the server im on
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00:35.52ShefkiTorhal: Collectinator is disconnecting me with 3.3.5. :(
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00:37.30MysticalOSwow wish i could login
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00:38.11MysticalOSshefki maybe it's quierying item no longer in game, such as the old ahune pet?
00:38.23pompyShefki:  :O
00:38.33pompyits jus a temporary during new patch thing afaik
00:38.46Shefkipompy: Maybe.
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00:39.53pompydid u update to 1.0.1?
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00:45.25Shefkipompy: Yes.
00:46.28pompykk
00:46.55ShefkiAnd I'm aware of the cache issue after a patch, it's just consistent everytime.  Usually it'll stop  after a few times.
00:47.24kagarohrmm color picker not working
00:49.31pompynice job steev leaving your authenticator at work ;p
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00:50.41kagaroi take that back
00:50.45orionshockgrr.... realm is down and i can't login
00:55.43Groktarnoms orionshock's realm
00:59.15Funkeh`so
00:59.24Funkeh`here's hoping EU's patching goes smooth saling next week
00:59.30Funkeh`thanks to our guinea pigs
00:59.55Funkeh`knowing blizz we'll get more downtime
01:00.48kagaroi cant get onto my own realm but was able to get on another to check my addons
01:01.25Funkeh`lol
01:01.33Funkeh`that's dedication kagaro
01:01.40Groktarhttp://moronail.net/img/5976_ban-football... <- pretty much sums it up
01:01.48MysticalOSthere is no such thing as a smooth sailing patch
01:02.04Funkeh`:D
01:07.19pompyWe are continuing the process of marking realms live.  We will provide an update on our progress at approximately 7:00PM PDT
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01:11.05kagaroi hand fixed buttonbin so it works for me anyways
01:11.17kagaroi just stripped out libjostle from it, since it wasnt needed anyways
01:13.51Shefkikagaro: Just update LibJostle.
01:13.51Shefkikagaro: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libjostle-3-0/files/
01:13.51Shefkikagaro: get the alpha.
01:13.53kagaroi did, but ligjostle wasnt needed anyway for buttonbin
01:13.59ShefkiAhh
01:15.05orionshockso what do we do while realms are down?
01:15.15kagaroim tesitng on other realms
01:15.50orionshocki can't even manage to login >.>
01:15.54kagarotesting some realid stuff
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01:19.52arkanesthere an update for libjostle yet?
01:20.13arkanesI thought I saw someone mention it but I was bouncing in & out while I was fixing irc
01:20.17uliclook up about 10 lines
01:20.38ulicsaid to get the alpha
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01:24.21kagarohrmm need to add some functions to chatter to hook the whisper chats
01:27.38pompysteam connection down :O
01:28.20Nivblame blizzard clearly
01:30.53pompymy server is gonna be like the last one to come online lol
01:31.54binderdoes the alpha libjostle fix fubar?
01:32.04Shefkibinder: Yes.
01:32.10binderawesome
01:32.15orionshockbinder, don't use fubar
01:32.22orionshockproblem solved :)
01:32.26binder?
01:32.37binderwhat's wrong with fubar?
01:32.44orionshockbinder, it's old and depreciated. No longer developed for
01:32.46Shefkibinder: FuBar is dead.
01:32.52bindersigh
01:32.59Shefkibinder: People are using Broker stuff now.
01:33.00binderI leave the game for a year and all my addons die
01:33.04orionshockit's on community life support
01:33.25ShefkiFuBar also uses LibRock which nobody is supporting.
01:33.27binderfubar & cartographer were big crutches for me :P
01:33.40Nivthere are better options
01:33.41orionshockthey've been replaced with better addons
01:33.43ShefkiCartographer also used LibRock, go figure. :P
01:33.45NivI made the cut over a few months back
01:34.03binderI switched to mapster+gathermate like 2 days ago :)
01:34.09Nivyea
01:34.10ShefkiYup.
01:34.14orionshock<PROTECTED>
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01:34.22binderand handynotes
01:34.33Nivhandynotes_* (not quite)
01:34.36binderyea I still like(d) cartographer more
01:34.42Nivmeh
01:34.45Nivit was a hog!
01:34.45Niv:)
01:34.47orionshockbinder, what part?
01:34.57binderclassic instance and bg maps work
01:35.01binder(ed)
01:35.04NivInstanceMaps
01:35.04binderwhen it worked
01:35.05orionshockah, well..
01:35.09Nivinstall it
01:35.42binderwhen did wowaceupdater merge with cursed client?
01:35.53Shefkibinder: When wowace moved to being hosted by curse.
01:35.57Nivwowaceupdater has been dead for like a year?
01:35.58Nivhehe
01:36.01orionshockhttp://blog.esaba.com/projects/catphotos/catphotos.php?image=43
01:36.03Nivor more
01:36.23binderdoes instance maps integrate with mapster?
01:36.28binderand show my position?
01:37.12bindercause I installed atlas to get basic instance maps
01:38.15binderand you guys say use broker instead of fubar?
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01:39.12Shefkibinder: Bazooka if you want something similar to FuBar.
01:39.40ShefkiYou can keep your FuBar addons as you switch to Broker ones with FuBar2Broker
01:39.43binderhow about my addons that rely on fubar
01:39.46binderahh ok
01:40.01binderso install bazooka
01:40.09arkanesmost of your addons probably already have broker support
01:40.49ShefkiI only still use a couple of FuBar things.  Most things there are directly replacements for.
01:41.34binderI use: fu-altoholic, clock, bag, honor, money, performance, speed, rest, location, experience
01:41.44binderdurability
01:42.11binderquestsfu
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01:50.20Repo10broker_reczone: 03LordFarlander 043.0.90 * r90 : Tagging as 3.0.90
01:50.36orionshockbinder, there are replacements for all those
01:50.54orionshocklook into a set by tekkub, nearly all prefixed by "pico"
01:51.22orionshockthe rest are either prefixed by "Broker*" or "Broker_*"
01:52.24binderand bazooka is like the fubar ?
01:52.40arkanesaltoholic has built in broker support
01:56.28arkanesbah xloot is broken
01:59.50pompyarkanes: Butsu
02:00.23arkanespompy: ?
02:01.22pompywell idk if its broken too but http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7976-Butsu.html
02:02.17arkanesah interesting
02:02.25MysticalOSwow this realid is annoying as shit in raid, popups for status updates, popups for logins and logout
02:02.36arkanesI'm looking for more than just the replacement though, theres a whole set of xloot addons I use
02:02.42arkanesMysticalOS: you can turn em off, its the "toast" option
02:02.48MysticalOSah ok
02:03.23arkaneslooks like FuBar still has a bug related to misuse of AceObject
02:04.28arkanesoh, my bad, its all Xloot
02:05.16orionshockgrr i still can't login wtf
02:05.17orionshock?
02:08.01Funkeh`orionshock, cause you suck
02:09.14orionshockthanks Funkeh`, you've always been a big help :P
02:09.29Funkeh`lol
02:09.38Funkeh`if you want more help, ask fisker
02:09.50orionshockhum... that's a risky idea.
02:09.57Funkeh`indeedy
02:10.23orionshocktrouble is that im running linux / crossover-games &  have no network utilities from it's dos prompt
02:13.44Funkeh`Oh, I thought you were generally complaining your server wasn't up
02:13.54Funkeh`so you're actually having a personal connectivity issue?
02:14.33pompy1x AceConsole-2.0-91094 (Ace2):2582: AceTab-2.0: Cannot register frame "ChatFrameEditBox"; it does not exist
02:14.36pompyprolly gotta update or sometihng
02:14.57kagarowell all that chat stuff got refactored
02:15.12orionshockFunkeh`, yea. regardless the pw or auth code it fails
02:15.21orionshocksame error
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02:16.41kagaroAntiarc:  i tried hookin the open chat popout but it never gets called to 'skin' thos popout windows
02:18.06pompythey still didnt fix the onupdate bug. sigh
02:18.55arkanesI think acelibrary is busted
02:19.01arkanescan anyone else confirm/deny?
02:20.35arkanesI'm getting an error about trying to modify a protected metatable whenever something calls AceLibrary:Register
02:22.11kagarothis sucks i hear the login noises but still blue bar crit of death
02:22.18Nivlol
02:22.21Niv14000 herrors
02:22.22Niverrors*
02:23.23pompyfriends list broker addons need to show the realid ppl now!
02:23.26orionshockgrr... i think the networking stack on the wine program is shot
02:23.38orionshockeverything else seems to check out...
02:24.07orionshocksadly i copied over tracert from a real win xp install, but it couldn't reach the networking stack from the psudo-dos prompt... this is irritating
02:26.15Niv1x AceConsole-2.0-91094:2582: AceTab-2.0: Cannot register frame "ChatFrameEditBox"; it does not exist
02:26.18NivAceTab-2.0-91098 (Grid):338: in main chunk
02:26.20Nivboo
02:26.33pompyNiv: scroll up ;p
02:26.45Nivnever
02:26.45orionshockare ya'll able to login? us/southwest ?
02:26.48Nivchatter does not love me
02:26.53orionshockwith an authenticator?
02:26.55NivI think it lost my settings
02:27.01pompyNiv: did u update chatter lol?
02:27.37Nivyea
02:27.44arkanesorionshock: I'm on, although I think my servers on east coast
02:28.09arkanesorionshock: I'm located in texas, though, and if you can get to the realm list your authenticator isn't the problem
02:28.25binderthis bazooka is pretty nice
02:28.37binderif only I could figure out how to get brokerclock to display 12hr format lol
02:28.40orionshockit dies @ the login screen with the effect of "no connection to the internet"
02:29.03pompybinder: use uclock
02:29.21binderI have that installed too
02:29.49binderthat's also displaying in 24hr format
02:30.01binderoh there we go
02:30.07binderit wasn't giving me the right options screen
02:30.40Nivwow, chatter is fucked up :)
02:30.52Niveverytime I click a tab, it pops up the input box
02:30.52arkanesNiv: get the alpha
02:30.53Nivlol
02:31.00Nivyea, was about to
02:31.06arkanesthats fixed
02:32.19NivI can't drag my combat log out of the 2nd tab position now
02:32.20Nivhehe
02:32.28orionshockthis is odd..
02:32.39orionshockfrom the wow\logs\connection.log file:  6/22 19:31:45.354  GRUNT: state: LOGIN_STATE_FAILED result: LOGIN_NO_BATTLENET_MANAGER
02:32.53arkanesNiv: odd, works for me
02:33.01arkanesmaybe its locked?
02:33.19Nivgdi, we don't get to see notes on friends in the main panel now
02:34.37pompyorionshock: your battle.net.dll is corrupted or missing
02:34.55orionshockhum..
02:35.01orionshockim running the repair util atm
02:35.05ShefkiUgh they changed the AFK and DND constants to Away and Busy from AFK DND
02:35.09orionshockshould i nuke the file and try again?
02:35.34ShefkiNow I can expect 20 tickets that they don't like that it's Away instead of the more compact AFK
02:39.41pompyu could try
02:50.20orionshockpompy, didn't work
02:50.32orionshockgonna try deleting more and see what the repair does
02:53.44pompy~lart Xtek
02:53.44purlsends a legion of lawyers after Xtek's head
02:54.44Aens|Superiorityhum, bazooka won't show any broker plugins, but the bar is there across the top
02:55.47orionshockAens|Superiority, are you seeing the little mushroom cloud on the bar? it's gonna be green or red.
02:56.07pompywhats teh deal with te profanity filter
02:57.36Aens|Superiorityorionshock: no icons at all
02:57.44Aens|Superiorityjust a black bar where bazooka was previously
02:57.54orionshockthen there is an error. u got bugsack/buggrabber?
02:57.57pompyThe Curse Client just reset all the settings on me and shit. what the hell
02:58.11Aens|Superioritybuggrabber needed bugsack
02:58.13orionshockpompy, glitch
02:58.16Aens|Superioritybut i have them
02:58.28orionshockcheck for error, usually there is one.
02:58.30orionshockor 2
02:58.38pompywhere?
03:00.18orionshockit's a reported glitch with CC4 and it's backup / synch feature iirc...
03:00.52pompyit said it couldnt update (i had the latest version) and then like went and installed itself
03:02.00Aens|Superioritylibjostle, wtf
03:02.08pompyAens|Superiority: update to the alpha
03:02.20Aens|Superiorityalpha of ace3?
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03:04.14pompylibjostle ?
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03:07.21PrimerWAHHH!! I want my Prat back!
03:07.44Aens|Superiority1x LibJostle-3.0-90049 (Bazooka):90: hooksecurefunc(): FCF_UpdateCombatLogPosition is not a function
03:07.45Aens|SuperiorityLibJostle-3.0-90049 (Bazooka):90: in main chunk
03:08.03ShefkiUpdate LibJostle.
03:08.13pompyAens|Superiority: update to.. the libjostle alpha
03:08.21Shefki90050 is current version.
03:08.22Aens|Superiorityok
03:08.30pompyPrimer: whats wrong with ur prat?
03:08.40Primerthe typing area is at the bottom
03:08.44Primerit used to be at the top
03:08.53pompyyeah Torhal said the same thing
03:09.00Shefki<PROTECTED>
03:09.04ShefkiTemporary workaround.
03:09.06Shefki^
03:09.21ShefkiAnd chat Chat Style to Classic under Interface, Social
03:09.23Primermy tab complete isn't working either
03:09.57ShefkiPrimer: Blizzard redid the tab complete system, all the tab completion stuff is broken for everyone.
03:10.16Primerman, I rely on that way too much
03:10.38Repo10interfaceoptionsframe_opentocate: 03Torhal 07master * v1.2.8-1-g6af7571 InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory_Fix.lua: [+1 commit] Updated the build number for 3.3.5 since the AddOn is still relevant.
03:10.45pompylol
03:10.49pompyfigures
03:11.08Repo10interfaceoptionsframe_opentocate: 03Torhal 04v1.2.9 * 25ee5db /: [new tag] Tagging new release.
03:11.24pompythat script puts it at teh top but covers the tabs
03:11.26pompy:x
03:11.47Shefkipompy: Well, adjust the offset to suit yourself then. :P
03:12.26pompy;)
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03:12.37Funkeh`thats the whole reason i leave it at the bottom now in BasicChatMods
03:12.45Funkeh`since tabs are permanently visible
03:12.49Funkeh`which is retarded
03:12.55ShefkiFunkeh`: Yeah. :(
03:12.58Funkeh`wow isn't an IM
03:13.09ShefkiThere's a reason why I put on my MMOUI AddOn Author shirt this morning.
03:16.30HirsuteSo anyone know what the name of the ChatFrameEditBox changed to with this patch, off the top of his/her head?
03:16.55Funkeh`I'm seeing some authors make 3.3.5 changes wiht no compats, /bonk, you need compats for a week
03:16.59pompyHirsute: ChatFrame#EditBox
03:17.00ShefkiChatFrame1EditBox
03:17.22HirsuteAh, fun.  That's not going to be an easy fix.
03:17.27ShefkiFunkeh`: EU should know by now not to update.
03:17.41Funkeh`that's not the correct answer to author neglegance
03:17.43TorhalOr: DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME.editBox
03:18.06ThraeYeah. How dare you post code that's not compatible.
03:18.10ShefkiFunkeh`: In an ideal world everyone would use backwards compatable fixes but we don't like in that world.
03:18.15HirsuteI'm just trying to make a quick fix to Linkerator to get it working again.
03:18.30HirsuteI'll try DEFAULT_...etc.
03:18.37Funkeh`Yeah, because windows isn't full of em amiright
03:18.44ThraeEver author not only has a US WoW account, but a EU, KO, etc. as well to test for full compatibility before posting.
03:19.04Funkeh`what
03:19.06ShefkiThrae: I'm taking donations for the extra accounts.
03:19.08Funkeh`don't act like a retard
03:19.11Funkeh`it's simple to keep a compat
03:19.18Funkeh`it's an if statement
03:19.19TorhalFunkeh`: Who's acting? :D
03:19.34orionshockwhat's the current wow rev?
03:19.46ThraeFunkeh`: if...what?
03:19.47Torhal30300
03:19.55orionshocknot that one
03:20.00pompyorionshock: 12213
03:20.01Funkeh`if ChatFrameEditBox then X else Y end
03:20.04Funkeh`.....
03:20.11orionshockim seeing 3.3.5r12213  6/8/2010
03:20.14TorhalOh, 12213. I just updated InterfaceOptions_OpenToCategoryFix
03:20.15Shefki[20:20:04] Dump: value=GetBuildInfo()
03:20.16pompyya
03:20.16Shefki[20:20:04] [1]="3.3.5",
03:20.16Shefki[20:20:04] [2]="12213",
03:20.16Shefki[20:20:04] [3]="Jun  8 2010",
03:20.16Shefki[20:20:04] [4]=30300
03:20.20ShefkiSorry for the spam.
03:20.23ThraeThat's a "sanity check".
03:20.32arkanesor maybe people in regions that don't have the patch should just not update until its deployed to them
03:20.39ThraeWhere do you code where that's called a "compat"?
03:20.49arkanesbecause a lot of times it's not as simple as an if check
03:20.53Funkeh`it's called backwards compatability
03:21.08Funkeh`see where I'm coming from..?
03:21.09ShefkiFunkeh`: Sometimes backwards compatability is messy.
03:21.10ThraeI know, but you were spouting "compat" "compat" as if everyone uses that term.
03:21.21arkanesI dunno about where you work, but where I work we don't spend a lot of development time on 3 days worth of backwards compatability
03:21.29orionshockgrr... all the "LOGIN_NO_BATTLENET_MANAGER" search results are from the ptr from last month..
03:21.31arkanesand if I'm coding in my spare time I'm even less likely to do so
03:21.36Funkeh`You're acting like a retard to backwards compatability because I referred to it as compat?
03:21.42HirsuteDid Blizz include a function to determine which chat frame is currently up? (so instead of just ChatFrameEditBox I could local n = FocusedChatFrame() ChatFramenEditBox ... (I know, junk code)
03:21.42Funkeh`Right
03:21.55orionshockanyone want to do me a favor and grab an MD5 of their wow\battle.net.dll file?
03:22.02ThraeNo, I just didn't know WTF you were talking about.
03:22.08Funkeh`T
03:22.12Funkeh`Here's an idea
03:22.14Funkeh`Ask
03:22.30Torhalaims a cannon at Thrae.
03:22.31arkanesincidentally if anyone else is having trouble with AceLibrary, it appears that if an Ace2 library embeds AceEvent (possibly others) and then calls Register, there will be an error about setting a protected metaframe
03:22.41arkanesto work around it, move the embed call inside the activate function
03:22.46ThraeI was waiting for others to perk up if this was some weird "#wowace" terminology that's used all the time.
03:23.06ThraeSince I know the Ace community likes to make up all kinds of weird terms.
03:23.07arkanesI guess its sort of ironic
03:23.17Funkeh`In wow it's only used during patches, which isn't exactly often
03:23.17arkanesif he's too lazy to type out the full phrase
03:23.31ShefkiThrae: compat is obviously shorthand for compatability.  Good grief.
03:23.55Funkeh`let's review my original statement
03:23.57Funkeh`I'm seeing some authors make 3.3.5 changes wiht no compats, /bonk, you need compats for a week
03:24.04arkaneswell, no
03:24.05ThraeShefki: Of course, but what *type* of compatibility? I worked in a Compat. Lab which had nothing to do with backwards compatibility (if anything, it had to do with forwards).
03:24.05arkanesyou don't
03:24.32arkanesit's obvious from the context
03:24.41Funkeh`my point exactly
03:24.48NivAntiarc: do class colors work for you in chatter?
03:24.57arkanesyou're still wrong, in my opinion
03:25.01Funkeh`Niv, class colours are part of the game
03:25.06Nivin chat?
03:25.07Nivwtf
03:25.08Funkeh`yes
03:25.09Repo10grid: 03Phanx * r1303 / (3 files in 1 directory):
03:25.10Repo- Remove AceTab-2.0 since it's broken in 3.3.5 and doesn't really do anything anyway
03:25.17Funkeh`right click your chat frame and click settings
03:25.24Nivwow
03:25.27Nivit reset all this shit
03:25.35Funkeh`arkanes, then I guess you don't code much?
03:25.44arkanesFunkeh`: going on 15 years now
03:25.48arkanesbut as I said before
03:25.52Funkeh`....
03:26.01arkaneswe won't spend development time on 3 days worth of backwards compatability
03:26.06ThraeHaha, the essence of Ace's problem -- people packing in 32 different libs where they only end up using 22 after completion of the actual addon.
03:26.08Funkeh`So the software you engineer works only on Windows 7?
03:26.14arkanespeople who don't get the patch for a week can not upgrade for a week
03:26.17arkaneswho's being retarded now?
03:26.25Funkeh`yes they can
03:26.26Nivwow chatter is still having some issues
03:26.28Funkeh`it's addon
03:26.32Funkeh`automatic updating clients
03:26.34Nivclicking other merged tabs, i can no longer reach tabs
03:26.36Niv(using alpha)
03:26.40Funkeh`they can easily get addons that don't work
03:26.43arkanesokay
03:26.45arkanesthey can switch back
03:26.50Funkeh`so
03:26.52arkanesor hell they can file tickets
03:26.56arkanesor they can read the changelogs
03:27.03Funkeh`you'd punish them for a mistake because you can't add 1 if stement?
03:27.13Funkeh`yeah, whcih comes back to you
03:27.16arkanesit's not "1 if statement"
03:27.18Funkeh`spamming you with new tickets toc lose
03:27.20kagaroNiv what merged frames?
03:27.21Funkeh`yes it is
03:27.24arkanessometimes it is
03:27.27arkanesoften it's not
03:27.34Funkeh`It's always been 1 if stetement
03:27.51arkanesno
03:27.51Funkeh`yes
03:27.51arkaneswell
03:27.54arkanesyou have no idea what you're talking about
03:27.55Funkeh`Find a global variable that doesn't exist anymore and if it
03:27.57Nivkagaro: yea, i was finally able to grab one mid-frame on the left
03:27.59arkanesso that'll have to end the situation
03:28.03Nivand after dragging it, it resolved
03:28.10Funkeh`Okay, if you say so, expert
03:28.31kagaroi havent had anything serious enough to interfer with play
03:28.59Nivso neotron says there's some crash of the client every minute or so (for some people)
03:29.02Nivhehe
03:29.50ThraeI remember when Blizzard gave people a complementary day for even 2 hours of patching after patch time should have been completed.
03:29.55pompyNiv: curse client?
03:30.10Funkeh`Thrae, they used to do that even for minor login issues
03:30.17Funkeh`now it's jsut "shove it" :D
03:30.19arkanesI don't remember that ever happening
03:30.29Nivpompy: wow client
03:30.31arkanesI remember getting bonus time when we had entire days full of server instability
03:30.32Funkeh`Yes well your memory extends far as we've seen
03:30.37ThraeThat was more in Vanilla, when things were less stable and they had less subscribers
03:30.58Funkeh`I'm betting activision has something to do with that
03:30.58arkanesI stil have all my bonus days in my billing logs
03:31.27arkanesservers were far less stable then
03:31.51arkanesthe weekly downtime was more on schedule, but disconnects, lag and crashes were way more common
03:32.01ThraeBlizzard's "Shove It" seems to be a trend as individual people, seemingly on different accounts, have pushed the Real ID feedback thread to 95+ pages with 90% of them against it without the simple option to hide your last name.
03:32.23Funkeh`heh
03:32.33Funkeh`They just assume you'll add only people you know in real life
03:32.48arkanesyeah thats not really defensible
03:32.49Funkeh`Whcih is generally, what, 2 or 3 people
03:33.10arkanesthe blue post about it basically said they didn't think it'd be a big deal to anyone
03:33.11ThraeWhile Ghostcrawler responds 5 times to the new Rated Battlegrounds, not one Blue response to Real ID. Not even "We'll take these into consideration" or even "Real ID is now here, so this thread is locked."
03:33.27arkanesand that it was too late for them to add the feature now
03:34.38Thraearkanes: Forum goers only offer a small percentage of the playing population. And 9/10 of them who actually found the thread thought it was a bad idea with a simple request. If they WERE going to add the request *later* they could have said so before it got up to 95 pages.
03:34.47Nivso did something change with chatter alt names as well?
03:34.59ThraeThen again, Real ID has shipped without ANY Parental Controls, which I'm sure the parents will love.
03:35.03arkanesNiv: none of my chatter modules that modify the chat text are working
03:35.19Nivoh
03:35.25Funkeh`Well I lvoe the idea, especially when it comes to my girlfriend 5 million alts
03:35.26Nivthere it is
03:35.31Funkeh`But it obviously needs tweaked
03:35.33NivChatFrameEditBox a nill value
03:35.37NivI didn't notice
03:35.38arkanesNiv: no alt names, no class colors, no timestamps
03:35.48arkanesoh i love the feature
03:35.50Nivyea, I see the errors now
03:35.54Funkeh`Niv, I don't think chatter has any any development for 3.3.5
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03:35.59arkanesbut I use an online handle for a reason
03:36.01Funkeh`try another chat addon
03:36.06arkanesFunkeh`: the alpha works
03:36.07NivI love chatter :)
03:36.15Thrae"Sorry we don't have Parental Controls for Real ID. Just forbade your children from playing WoW until we patch it at an unspecified later date. Keep paying us, though. And don't worry about your kids. They'll listen."
03:36.16Funkeh`oh, there try the alpha
03:36.19NivFunkeh`: antiarc said fixed
03:36.20Nivhehe
03:36.38pompyhttp://www.wowace.com/addons/chatter/files/373-v1-2/
03:36.42arkanesit's just crazy that they wouldn't imagine anyone would get upset about real name exposure
03:36.51NeoTronSo WoW just made sure I won't play.. WoW :P
03:37.04NeoTroncrashing every 10-60s or so is a bit of a hurdle
03:37.06NivNeoTron: you know a patch will be coming soon
03:37.07WobWorkWe should start a trend on the forums
03:37.12arkanesand it's silly for blizzard of all companies to claim that they wouldn't scrap or delay a feature if they thought the privacy was a real issue
03:37.14ShefkiThrae: RealID is disabled if parental controls are enabled.
03:37.17WobWorkcall all of the Blizzard reps by their real names
03:37.22ShefkiThrae: In the future they'll give more control.
03:37.23WobWorkinstead of like, Ghostcrawler
03:37.29ShefkiThrae: So stop crying over somethihng that's a non-issue.
03:37.33NeoTronstill find it somewhat amusing, it's a widespread issue so I wonder what it was that made it possible to miss
03:37.36NeoTronor what introduced the problem
03:37.38Funkeh`Well give it time to mature
03:37.38WobWorknot missed
03:37.42WobWorkmerely ignored, imo
03:37.45Funkeh`like Shefki says
03:37.48ThraeShefki: I'm "crying" about the lack of privacy features for adults, not children.
03:38.00NeoTronsee my issue with real names is I don't know people's real naes
03:38.02ShefkiThrae: Nobody is forcing you to use RealID.
03:38.09NeoTronso I get invites and I don't know who the heck it is sending the invite
03:38.12Funkeh`I'd be a tad more concerned about children adding adult strangers
03:38.15NeoTroneven if I know them enough to trust them with real id
03:38.15ShefkiIt's not like it replaces the existing friends list.
03:38.21arkanesNeoTron: people inviting you can send a note
03:38.30NeoTronsure
03:38.40arkanesNeoTron: can you respond with a message if you decline?
03:38.52NeoTronNot sure but it's be a good feature to have
03:38.59WobWorkcan send you a note?
03:39.06ShefkiIt's really simple, I wish RealID was more like how I'd want it, but obviously from the name they intend you to use it with friends.  Not some guy you met in Goldshire on a RP server.
03:39.09WobWorkdoes it work like the votekicking reason in pugs? =P
03:39.17ThraeShefki: That argument doesn't work and I wish people would stop using it. Nobody's forcing me to play WoW. But I do. Because I *want* to. I *want* Real ID, just with an *option* to disable last names. As a customer, I should have every right to *complain* about the lack of a seemingly simple *option* to my *service*.
03:39.19genetik-the only issue i have with it right now is a couple of my friends have their names in all caps
03:39.22genetik-heh
03:39.36WobWorktries to crack Thrae's cunning code
03:39.43ShefkiThrae: Suggestions forum is ------------------------------>
03:39.45WobWorkwantwantoptioncomplainoptionservice
03:39.46TorhalThrae: Your Ace analogy is a fallacy as of Ace3
03:39.54NivNeoTron: do you have shadows turned on?
03:40.12NeoTronI do
03:40.15ThraeTorhal: I was talking about a Grid update, which still uses Ace2, apparently.
03:40.23NivNeoTron: try turning them off?
03:40.25TorhalAh
03:40.28arkanesNeoTron: try switching graphics engines as well as turning shadows off
03:40.54Nivwe have options for that now?
03:40.57PrimerWOW!!
03:41.02PrimerWoW OOM'd
03:41.03arkanesgraphics engines?
03:41.06ThraeWobWork: On my client *that* makes things *bold*.
03:41.12arkanesyeah, theres a thing you can set in config.wtf
03:41.17ThraeIt's better than typing in all *caps*.
03:41.23NeoTronyou've been able to use opengl from the very start
03:41.28NivI like that my entire interface and model are randomly vanishing
03:41.29Nivhaha
03:41.40kagaroNiv alt names arent working, but timestamps are as well as coloring
03:42.14Nivyep, I crashed
03:42.15Nivwhee
03:42.18Nivdalaran ftl
03:42.19ThraeNiv: That happened to me all the time, usually around the outside of ICC and in a few particular spots
03:42.26Nivmemory leak
03:42.36ThraeI would crash...with a memory leak
03:42.55NivNot enough storage is available to process this command.
03:42.56NivProgram:D:\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe
03:42.56NivObject:.?AVCImVector@NTempest@@
03:42.56NivRequested 9216000 bytes of memory
03:42.57ThraeUnless it corrected itself within 30 seconds
03:43.02Nivhaha
03:43.03arkaneskagaro: timestamps and colors aren't working for me
03:43.19arkanesthats a big damn vector
03:43.48kagaroarkanes just channel coloring or some other color settings?
03:44.01arkaneskagaro: class colors
03:44.06ThraeWoW is a 32-bit program but sometimes it gets confused and tries to allocate over 4GB of memory.
03:44.38kagaroahh yeah those arent. as far as timestamps if you have blizz timestamps enabled your stuck with blizz data
03:44.41NeoTronI'm getting A LOT of the interface/model vanishing issue
03:44.46NeoTronlike a lot more than before
03:44.48ThraeThe only other people that this happens to, infrequently, are also people on Windows Vista/7 64-bit running in maximized windowed with greater than 4GB of memory.
03:44.54NeoTronand the entire skybox going lack etc
03:45.02arkaneskagaro: turning the module off and trying to use the builtin class colors doesn't do anything either
03:45.21ThraeAnd max settings, especially 2560x1600
03:45.30arkanesoh, wait, I lied, timestamps are working
03:45.35Nivlol
03:45.36arkanesI'm not very smart, sorry
03:45.42Nivagain
03:46.12kagaroi set it to disable the chatter timestamp module IF you have blizz timestamps enabled, sicne they ebedit directly into the message text
03:46.12NeoTron<PROTECTED>
03:46.24NeoTronneed a patch to even consider playing. crashed without shadows btw
03:46.30kagaros/ebedit/embed it/
03:47.18arkaneskagaro: I think you know about the positioning issue with chat tabs?
03:47.30kagaroyeah its funky
03:47.36kagarothe higlights are off
03:48.07arkaneswhen I switch to a chat tab, it gets positioned wrong, looks like the body of the chat window is being placed where the tab is supposed to go
03:48.27arkanespulling the tab out & re-docking it fixes it for most windows, but realid conversation windows stay funkied
03:48.33kagaroAntiarc:  put in a temp fix for it to even work, so just needs revisting
03:48.59kagarothe realid windows i could not get hooked yet
03:49.28kagaroill look at it some more tommarrow
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03:49.42kagaroim a chatter user as well, so getting them fixed is high on my list
03:50.17Nivsure, wow using 1.5G of ram make sense!
03:50.48Nivwow
03:50.53Nivtexture detail was 300G of that
03:51.21arkanesmine sits about 1.5gb resident normally
03:51.25Nivtexture resolution
03:51.40arkanesonly 685mb private though
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03:54.35Nivwell turning view distance and texture resolution all the way down
03:54.38Nivseems to have stopped teh crashes
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03:54.50Nivbut shit it's hard to fly around in icecrown this way
03:54.58pompyNiv: there was something on teh forums about the graphics shit but i cant find it
03:55.06Repo10ace2: 03funkydude * r1100 AceAddon-2.0/AceAddon-2.0.lua:
03:55.07RepoUse IsLoggedIn() as requested by Phanx, blame her when everything dies horribly ;)
03:55.49pompyhaha
03:57.00NivNeoTron: ping so you see
03:58.48ShadowedFunkeh` you should accidentally delete Ace2
03:58.56Shadowedand then corrupt the repo
03:58.58Funkeh`does anyone use acetab
03:59.04Funkeh`like realistically as a lib
03:59.29TorhalI thought it was so horribly broken that any plans to make an Ace3 version were killed before birth
03:59.39Funkeh`something like that
03:59.44ShadowedWhat did AceTab even do again
03:59.45Funkeh`but its like, even more broken now
03:59.49Shadowedwas that the slash command tabbing?
03:59.58Funkeh`some kind of auto complete for slash commands
04:00.03Funkeh`yeah
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04:00.32Shadowedoh yea that
04:00.35Shadowedthat was hilariously awful
04:00.54Funkeh`but im wondering if i can just unload it from the ace2 toc to fix everyones issue
04:01.01Funkeh`or if anya ddons are actually embeding it
04:01.19arkanespretty sure Grid was
04:01.28Funkeh`damn you life
04:02.22pompywell she said "Remove AceTab-2.0 since it's broken in 3.3.5 and doesn't really do anything anyway"
04:02.44Funkeh`yeah im tempted to say that too
04:02.54Funkeh`uncomment it from ace2 and anyone embedding it jsut remove it
04:02.57ShefkiFunkeh`: It's already been done.
04:03.05ShefkiFunkeh`: Arrowmaster did it weeks agoo.
04:03.13ShefkiFunkeh`: It just hasn't been tagged yet.
04:03.34Funkeh`so it has
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04:05.23theoddone33what's the slash command that puts every event from every mod in a window?
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04:09.22Repo10ace2: 03funkydude * r1101 / (13 files in 13 directories): Remove AceTab from it's personal toc file.
04:09.32Funkeh`I'll tag that
04:10.34Funkeh`there
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04:12.33Stanzillahell will freeze over now, Funkeh`
04:12.40NivI need addons to convert all real name references to a nickname!
04:12.41Nivhehe
04:12.44Funkeh`hopefully
04:12.48Funkeh`and become a paradise
04:13.07Funkeh`anyway
04:13.18Funkeh`bbl :)
04:18.37ArrowmasterFunkeh`: yeah when 3.3.5 hit PTR and somebody told me AceTab-2.0 was broken i just said fuck it and removed it
04:19.06Arrowmasteri almost just deleted the entire AceTab-2.0 directory instead of just commenting it out of the toc
04:20.30MysticalOSwhat was ChatFrameEditBox replaced with?
04:20.44ShefkiChatFrame1EditBoox
04:21.14TorhalMysticalOS: Requires three lines now:
04:21.16Torhallocal edit_box = _G.ChatEdit_ChooseBoxForSend()
04:21.19Torhal_G.ChatEdit_ActivateChat(edit_box)
04:21.21Torhaledit_box:Insert(GetCoords(true))
04:21.28TorhalWell, minus the GetCoords()
04:22.13Repo10travelagent: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.3-1.0.4-1-g9eaba13 TravelAgent.lua: [+2 commits]
04:22.14Repo9eaba13: Fixed the ChatFrame-EditBox-insertion of location/coordinates to work with 3.3.5 - left in 3.3.3 compatibility for the EU servers until they're patched.
04:22.16Repoec30c1a: In DrawTooltip(): Use tooltip:EnableMouse(true) to stop things under the tooltip from popping up.
04:22.36Repo10travelagent: 03Torhal 043.3.5-1.0.5 * 4c65419 /: [new tag] Tagging new release.
04:24.17Nivwow, conversations merge badly in chatter
04:24.22Nivif the window is too small
04:24.38Nivor strange.. it's like if it's in the corner...
04:29.27Primerugh, there's no chat history either
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04:57.11sylvanaar_whats up
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04:58.40Darkhaundgood evening guys
04:58.43Darkhaundquick question
04:58.51Darkhaundis FuBar broken as of this patch?
04:59.07sylvanaar_it worked for me on the ptr
04:59.25ShefkiDarkhaund: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25560026032&sid=1
04:59.36ShefkiFollow the instructions in the middleish entry.
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05:02.38MysticalOSlol at the "patch 3.3.5 is out why is ruby sanctum not open" posts. reading is hard.
05:04.55pompyhaha
05:06.45Repo10arl: 03Torhal 07master * v1.1.0-beta2-71-g529e5e1 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
05:06.47Repo529e5e1: Item and recipe linking to chat now works for 3.3.5 - 3.3.3 compatibility was left in for EU clients until they patch up.
05:06.48Repocbce848: Added the current build num to the private namespace.
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05:14.11Repo10vamparrow: 03Allara * r19 / (5 files in 2 directories): - Add support for HudMap
05:14.11Repo- Significant performance optimization
05:14.11Repo10vamparrow: 03Allara 04r19-release * r20 : Tagging as r19-release
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05:22.53ShefkiAm I the only one noticing that the addon controls for enabling disabling them seem to be behaving wonky?
05:23.07ShefkiSome of my addons magically got disabled and I keep disabling some and they keep turning back on.
05:23.35TorhalI hadn't noticed.
05:24.11MysticalOSonly thing i noticed is the word filter turns itself on and off when you cuss
05:24.29ShefkiYeah I can't seem to get some things to disable.
05:24.34ShefkiThey just turn themselves back on.
05:25.11TorhalI did notice that whoever re-coded ChatFrame.lua used an editor that saved as CR/LF
05:25.22ShefkiUgh.
05:25.35TorhalNifty little ^M at every line.
05:25.45Shefki1989 called and wants their text editor back.
05:25.49TorhalHaha
05:26.54ShefkiWTH
05:27.06quiescenso.o
05:27.12ShefkiI can't disable LibDogTag and a bunch of the Rock libraries.
05:27.21ShefkiI have them installed so I can test crap but usually don't hav ethem loaded.
05:27.27ShefkiThey magically re-enable themselves.
05:27.33quiescensa wizard did it
05:27.57ShefkiThink I found the problem.
05:29.13ShefkiCurse Client lied to me, it didn't remove CowTip
05:29.19MysticalOSwtb fubar-friends supporting realid users.
05:29.40ShefkiMysticalOS: TBC called and wants FuBar back.
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05:30.02MysticalOSi dn't use fubar
05:30.28MysticalOSfubar2broker, i just haven't found a better plugin than elks good ole guildfu and friendsfu
05:31.06ShadowedI hope Cataclysm breaks Ace2 horribly
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05:34.08CrazyBennyMysticalOS: Have you tried Ara Broker Guild Friends? I replaced those with it and almost didnt see a difference ;)
05:37.31pompyCrazyBenny: it doesnt support realid users tho
05:39.48Repo10massmailer: 03Necramar * r63 / (3 files in 2 directories):
05:39.50Repo-- Updated some of the texts to fit their respective buttons
05:40.19MysticalOSi didn't find that one cause it wasn't on curse/wowace, i do remmeber trying all the broker ones from curseclient a while back and hating all of em, heh
05:40.41Repo10massmailer: 03Necramar 04Beta_2.0.1 * r64 : Tagged to Beta_2.0.1
05:40.52CrazyBennypompy: Didnt notice that since I'm on EU client ;)
05:41.01CrazyBennymight get updated at some point tho
05:41.14CrazyBennyMysticalOS: it's on wowi
05:41.19MysticalOSyeah
05:41.20MysticalOSi see that
05:41.33MysticalOSrealid is so nice
05:42.01MysticalOSno more pain in the ass syncing on friends list, adding 10 alts for someone, on all of my alts, i add one name, on one char, and i see all their alts, on all my alts :D
05:42.11MysticalOS100 friends list adds turned into 1
05:44.02ShefkiToo bad it's not working. :(
05:44.37CrazyBennyMysticalOS: Should have used FriendsWithBenefits mod that automagically synces friendslist across alts :P
05:45.03MysticalOSi had a syncing mod but i play from two different computers and it  became very problematic
05:45.11pompyi have the 'new realid convo' option set to 'new tab' .. and it aint making new tabs.. unless im doing something wrong
05:45.20MysticalOSif i logged into other comp it'd start deleting friends cause of mismatches in WTF
05:45.21Shefkipompy: It's broken.
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05:50.25Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r2695 / (4 files in 4 directories): RS heroic loot
05:50.43Primercrashed again
05:50.52PrimerI wonder if this patch has a memory leak
05:51.30MysticalOSi know mac client crashes from nameplate addons, grrr
05:51.34ShefkiPrimer:  http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25552505632
05:51.42ShefkiMysticalOS: Umm not crashing here.
05:52.24MysticalOSif you get mind controled, while using a nameplate addon and nameplates are visible, you crash out. the infamous ladydeathwhisper MC crash
05:52.32MysticalOSfor longest time didnt know cause but have isolated it now
05:52.39PrimerShefki: thanks
05:52.42ShefkiOhh that's interesting.
05:54.06MysticalOSso if you got guildmates taht suddenly DC/crash when they get MCed on deathwisper on a mac, tell em to disable nameplates before pull :\ even though tanking that fight with threatplates is awesome
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06:09.59PrimerOMG I must have Prat back
06:10.06PrimerI can't stand this chat
06:10.37PrimerI can't use arrow keys to edit text
06:12.04TorhalUntil it's fixed, use ALT for arrows
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06:14.06ShefkiTorhal: Prat's mostly working fine.
06:14.14ShefkiTorhal: It's just lacking some features.
06:14.36MysticalOSi want WIM back, even if blizz has similar features now. i stick with the UI i'm already used to
06:15.14TorhalShefki: I know, but that's one of the things that needs fixing :)
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06:21.57MysticalOSi wonder if there is an api to disable toast window in combat temporarily. would be nice
06:22.12MysticalOSi don't wanna remember to disable it any time i raid
06:25.09pompyyay crashed on a /rl ... MemoryStorm.cpp
06:25.28WobWorkMEMORY----STOOOOORRRRM
06:25.32pompylol
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06:39.12MysticalOSthat issue is almost identicle to the mac memory problem on 10.6 cause of it being 64 bit. app will crash from 2gig memory limit. They worked around it though by dumping texture cache more often tho. probably will have to do same thing in windows
06:40.21Repo10addon-loader: 03Shefki * r109 Conditions.lua: Fix X-LoadOn-Slash for 3.3.5.
06:40.53Shefkijnwhiteh: poke, see above ^
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06:41.16ShefkiOr [Ammo] or Mikk ^
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06:47.33Repo10talented: 03jerry 04v2.4.6-release * r648 : Tagging as v2.4.6-release
06:50.01Repo10talented: 03jerry * r649 docs/main.txt: Add information about 2.4.6 release
06:51.07Repo10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r147 / (2 files in 1 directory):
06:51.09Repoversion bump, pull in new libjostle for 3.5.5, fix ticket-14
06:51.25Repo10grid: 03Phanx * r1304 Grid.toc: - Update version number for release
06:51.37MysticalOS3.5.5, i missed a few :o
06:52.04Torhalmitch0: lol?
06:52.54Fiskeri hate addons that break 3.3.3 compatibility
06:53.22MysticalOSit's easy to code in an exception
06:53.29MysticalOSpeople are lazy if they dont
06:53.50Fiskeryeah Torhal
06:53.52Fiskerlazy git
06:53.55asmodaiawakens
06:53.59MysticalOSi remember when ace had to do an exception when frametype was changed to objecttype
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06:54.13TorhalFisker: The three that I just pushed new versions for work for the EU crowd. So bie it.
06:54.22Torhals/bie/bite/
06:54.29Repo10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r148 .pkgmeta:
06:54.30Fiskerno Torhal
06:54.31Repoerm, use latest ace3 alpha, as it seems it hasn't been tagged in a while
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06:54.58mitch0torhal: lolwut?
06:55.25Torhalmitch0: Your commit note said "3.5.5"
06:55.36mitch0erm, is it 3.3.5? :)
06:55.38ShefkiHe knows something we don't.
06:55.40TorhalYep
06:56.01mitch0oh well. I could go and change that probably. but is it worth it? :)
06:56.09Repo10links: 03jerry * r119 / (4 files in 2 directories): Add documentation
06:56.15TorhalNo - more hilarity this way.
06:56.25Repo10links: 03jerry 04v1.4-release * r120 : Tagging as v1.4-release
06:56.34MysticalOSi miss ackis commits
06:57.12asmodaiNo I don't.
06:57.15asmodaitorhal++
06:57.18asmodai:P
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06:59.03mitch0torhal: fixed :)
07:00.23Repo10bazooka: 03mitch0 04v1.8.7 * r149 : Tagging as v1.8.7
07:00.25Repo- fix ticket-14 (libjostle issue with 3.3.5 patch)
07:00.31TorhalHehe
07:00.45asmodaiAre there any addons us EU people should avoid updating? :D
07:01.14ShefkiProbably.
07:01.17TorhalDunno, but ARL will still work for you if you happen to use the chat-link stuff
07:01.23mitch0probably all. it's usually not a good idea to update addons after US patch but before eu :)
07:01.44TorhalCompatibility FTW. Fewer tickets,
07:01.45asmodaimitch0: Oh I know, but just trying to see which are definitely a problem right now :D
07:02.09asmodaiTorhal: I don't at the moment. So that should be safe.
07:02.20asmodaiavoids updating chatter :P
07:02.43durcyneuropeans are so cute sometimes.
07:02.49durcynthey think they're people!
07:02.50asmodaipurrrs
07:10.20ElkanoTorhal, yesterday just wasn't my day... :/
07:10.49Elkanofirst I forget to pickup the recipe, then I forget to turnin the weekly :/
07:11.16Elkanowell... at least France was sent home...
07:11.25asmodai\o/
07:11.39asmodaiElkano: Looks like only ghana will go on, out of all the African nations. Sour.
07:12.08Elkanomaybe that's why they never had a world cup before ;)
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07:14.47asmodaiOh, DE vs Ghana today
07:15.03Elkanoyeah, end games for C and D
07:15.04TorhalElkano: I thought you ended up getting the recipe later./
07:15.13ElkanoTorhal, I did, but still...
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07:22.47Repo10grid: 03Phanx 041.30300.1304 * r1305 : Tagging as 1.30300.1304
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07:30.05MysticalOSi wonder why officer chat is turned off on every char in 3.3.5, i keep forgetting to turn it on then wonder why i can't see it heh
07:30.33ShefkiMysticalOS: Because Blizzard screwed things up like they always do.
07:33.18SunTsuI wonder why people still wonder about that ;)
07:37.07[Ammo]Shefki: not releasing that until EU has 3.3.5
07:37.19Shefki[Ammo]: It's backwards compatable.
07:38.38[Ammo]ah I see
07:38.54[Ammo]I had a patch to just update it when 3.3.5 hit europe :p
07:38.55ShefkiI did it in a kinda cheap way, felt like GetBuildInfo() was overkill.
07:39.53Shefki[Ammo]: Bah, wish you'd have comitted it, would have saved me the time in figuring out how to fix it.
07:40.02[Ammo]shrug
07:40.40Repo10addon-loader: 03Ammo 04r110-release * r110 : Tagging as r110-release
07:41.02Adirellebitchs at non-compatible changes
07:41.21Shefkibut but but... I did make it compatable.  /em cries.
07:42.06[Ammo]:)
07:42.20AdirelleChatter's aren't
07:43.07[Ammo]that's because the author of chatter is dispicable! such a bastard
07:43.29AntiarcIt's true, he's a real jerkface
07:43.31Antiarc<PROTECTED>
07:43.35ChaosluxWho's the author?
07:43.41[Ammo]antiarc :p
07:43.47ChaosluxThis explain things
07:43.58AntiarcLinode's Fremont datacenter is being DOS'd :<
07:44.03ChaosluxWhat i just want to figure out is why Blizzard named Whisper windows ChatFrame11 and up
07:44.16[Ammo]they need 10 for the other frames
07:44.21[Ammo]because you have a max of 10 global c hannels
07:44.37[Ammo]at least that's what I think
07:44.55ChaosluxIf i have General, Combat and a Whisper. the interface says you have 3 frames. So normally the loops in lua goes ChatFrame1 ChatFrame2 ChatFrame3. But your third frame is named 11 for some reaosns
07:45.45[Ammo]that's because whispers are special and they reserve the first 10 frames for the 10 global channels
07:46.26ChaosluxBleh, wtb a way to detect the names of the chatframes used when it says 3 chatframes >>
07:47.42Fiskeryeah Antiarc
07:47.47Fiskerthat chatter guy is a real jerk face
07:47.57Fiskeri need edit boxes ON TOP OF MY CHAT FRAMES
07:48.06Fiskerno offense intended of course
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07:48.18StanzillaFisker: that works
07:48.21Fiskerbut just in this instance i must say i think that authors should have had some 3.3.3 backwards compatibility
07:48.26Fiskernot here Stanzilla
07:48.33pompyFisker: /run ChatFrame1EditBox:SetPoint("TOPLEFT",GeneralDockManager,"TOPLEFT")  
07:48.38pompycourtesy of Shefki
07:48.40Fiskernaw
07:48.47Fiskerreverted and killed curse client to hell
07:48.53pompylol
07:49.39pompy"*This issue can be fixed by deleting the WTF folder  or by right clicking the general tab and clicking the “Reset Chat  Windows” option. " .. hmm which one would you chose. ;p
07:49.56asmodaiThe first, obviously.
07:49.58Fiskerdeleting your wtf folder obviously
07:50.00pompyof course
07:52.23Kalrothdeleting the wow folder, duh
07:52.24[Ammo]suicide by spoon to the face
07:53.57Fiskeri wish
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07:55.04ShefkiHey tekkub
07:55.37FiskerShefki
07:55.58ShefkiNo
07:56.58Fiskeryes
07:57.02Fiskeryou cannot stop me
07:57.07Fiskerequips his vuvuzela
07:57.33Megalonspoons Fisker
07:57.37Shefkipulls out Lil XT.
07:57.47Shefkiwatches Lil XT destroy your vuvuzela.
07:58.08Fiskerit doesn't destroy those
07:58.24Fiskerworld cup pet must be a murloc with a vuvuzela
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08:06.00Zyn-which walks around blowing it with a constant tone as long as it is summoned
08:10.24asmodaiPlease, for the love of the Light, no.
08:10.29Shefkitekkub: Ohh that is devious.
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08:14.09asmodaijeez, the spec for 40 Gbps and 100 Gbps is finished (802.3ba)
08:15.10TorhalShefki: Foo?
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08:16.08ShefkiTorhal: Symlinking RunOnce.wtf to /dev/null and locking the file to prevent wow from turning off addons on patch day.
08:17.55Fiskeryou know what they should do Shefki ?
08:18.12TorhalShefki: Aaah, nice.
08:18.19ShefkiDelete your account, Fisker?
08:18.36asmodaiShefki++
08:18.50Fiskersomething like that Shefki
08:19.22FiskerInside the runonce.wtf is a command that bans your account if not executed
08:19.47SunTsuI suppose that would be the first change in ages everybody would cheer about
08:23.15ShefkiFisker: Somehow I don't think they care that much about it.
08:23.49Fiskerthat's what you said
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08:44.06asmodaiMmm, 600W or 700W PSU.
08:44.52Fisker1200
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08:46.46asmodaiRight, and thanks for that valuable contribution Fisker. There's a little something for you just beyond *that* door.  *points*
08:50.28Fiskerdoesn't go
08:50.53Fiskerbut what else do you expect?
08:51.10asmodaiFor you to cancel your subscription as detailed above.
08:51.37Fiskeri mean in regards to your silly question
08:55.28Fiskerk.
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08:59.10jnwhitehShefki: I don't understand your WowLua bug report
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09:01.18Fiskerbtw jnwhiteh
09:01.26Fiskergoogle maps thinks we should be friends
09:01.30Fiskerisn't that sweet?
09:01.38jnwhitehstalker
09:02.00Fisker:(
09:02.03jnwhitehlol
09:12.30Repo10arl: 03Torhal 07master * v1.1.0-beta2-72-gb7b048e Frame.lua: [+1 commit] Subheaders within a tab's list will now retain their expanded state between switching to another tab or changing the sort type.
09:12.36Torhalasmodai: ^^
09:12.44Fiskerhow does that help Torhal ?
09:12.53FiskerMaybe you should join me behind that door
09:12.58TorhalFisker: If you used ARL, you'd more than likely know.
09:13.25Fiskerbut what has that got to do with his power supply?!
09:15.04TorhalFisker: Yes.
09:17.02Fiskerno
09:17.09Fiskerwhat is this i don't even
09:20.38TorhalSsssh. I'm going to sleep.
09:21.35asmodaiTorhal: oh cool
09:21.58asmodaiTorhal: oh btw, I noticed something, but I think it's due to how the mechanics work in the game
09:22.06asmodaiTorhal: Oh shoot, nvm, will ask/tell later.
09:23.06asmodaimmm, 120 or 140mm fans on the side of the case?
09:25.11Elkano200mm
09:30.53jnwhitehAnyone have any idea what Shefki is saying here: ChatFrameEditBox is used in the OnHide function for the SaveAs dialog. Needs to be updated for 3.3.5.
09:30.53jnwhiteh?
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09:36.12SunTsuignores should automagically use the realID system
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09:45.10Zyn-with the Real ID system, I have a feeling people will try to friend you in pugs and bitch at you
09:45.45sbuthey cant friend you without your email/login, right?
09:45.54sbuso it doesnt matter what they want :p
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09:47.00Zyn-not too hard to find me though ;<
09:47.11sbuwell and you have to accept
09:47.34Zyn-liek I always do
09:47.43sbuerr.. :P
09:47.54Zyn-only to tell "u mad?" and remove
09:49.05sbuZyn-: http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2010/06/22/real-id-aint-for-me/
09:49.22quiesensei thought it had to be both ways
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09:50.02sbu"if you want to be friends with someone in your guild, you have to be sure not only that you trust THEM with your real name and Battle.net email address, you have to be able to trust all of their friends with your information as well"
09:50.06sbuoh right
09:50.18vhaarrwait, what
09:50.20sburealid-friends of your realid-friends can also see you :p
09:50.28vhaarrare you joking?
09:50.29Caleb|what now?
09:50.29Zyn-I need to find one of my officers mail...
09:50.31sbuthats bad actually
09:50.41Zyn-I will use that e-mail everywhere
09:50.43harlevery time i've in wintergrasp the past days my game constantly got what i call "stalls" where my whole game halts for a very short moment, but it does that every second or even more often, infrequently and irregularily though.
09:50.56harl+been
09:51.24harlcpu profiling doesn't show anything particularly different to when i'm not in wintergrasp, but my guess is that it's some overly reactive or transcriptive addon.
09:52.02harlanyone of you know what could be causing this specifically?
09:52.25vhaarr"If you are using Real ID, your mutual Real ID friends, as well as their Real ID friends, will be able to see your first and last name (the name registered to the Battle.net account). You will also be able to see the first and last name of your Real ID friends and their Real ID friends."
09:52.28vhaarrholy shit that's silly
09:52.36jnwhitehDoes the new LibJostle work on 3.3.3?
09:53.55Caleb|so can the real id friends real id friends real id friends see my real id?
09:54.17Caleb|how deep is the recursion?
09:54.22harlthat's a good question.
09:54.24KalrothThey put a real id in your real id so you can id for real while you id for real?
09:54.38Caleb|thats just what im afraid of Kalroth
09:55.39quiesenseall you need to do is create a couple of spare identities
09:55.46sbuwell no, they can only see your realname, right?
09:55.49quiesensea bit of creative forgery goes a long way
09:55.58sbuso whats the problem, friends on my friends... *shrug*
09:56.40sbuevery person in this channel just could do a /whois and see realnames...
09:56.57harlwhat's the point in showing my real name to anyone else than my actual friends, anyway.
09:56.59quiesensespeaking of names
09:57.00sbuokay its your own decision here
09:57.32sbuharl: right... i dont understand why they need to share that information across friends...
09:57.48sbu"oh, see, he is friends with fisker!"
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10:02.55harli think this information sharing could serve as another hinge for causing distrust among players by players.
10:04.14harland reducing the "community" way of thinking along the lines of the dungeon finder, globalization and this non-netiquette behaviour common these days, forcing some minorities' people back into their niches in a not-good way.
10:06.01harlbut then again, that's just based on my possibly exaggerated opinion concerning things like that.
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10:21.13WizardlingDoes this permalink to a comment work for anyone? http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/chatter.aspx#756966
10:21.26Wizardlingor is this just another part of curse that's broken?
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10:33.13jnwhitehWizardling: permalinks work just fine.. if the comment is still there...
10:33.30jnwhitehperhaps its on the second page
10:33.36jnwhitehin which case, yeah it's probably broken.
10:33.47jnwhitehnope, even those work
10:33.56jnwhitehbut there's not very 'perma' =)
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10:34.12jnwhitehonce they get moved to another page they'll stop working =/
10:35.11arkaneshaha I was about to say that exact thing
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10:40.36Arrowmasterso that import friends from facebook feature that was in the SC2 beta isnt in WoW is it?
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10:44.25arkanesnot currently anyway
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11:05.41asmodaiJeez, forgot how much you have to keep in mind when building a new system XD
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11:53.15mitch0gah. how do I revert to the "old" attach file dialog on gmail?
11:57.35mitch0web2.0 should burn
11:59.48hastethe flash based one?
12:00.07mitch0yeah, didn't know it was flash based... no wonder it didn't work here
12:00.13hasteI know you can set it to basic attachment, but I don't think that's the flashed based one
12:00.15mitch0but found the setting for the old one
12:00.20hastethe new one isn't flash however
12:00.43hasteoh wait, the new one require flash
12:00.49hastewonder how it works when I use flashblock
12:01.28mitch0yeah, it sneaked past my block once, too
12:01.44mitch0but now I couldn't get it to work. anyway, disabled
12:03.08asmodaihttp://www.bing.com/community/blogs/search/archive/2010/06/23/a-new-entertainment-experience-for-bing.aspx  <-- fun -- I remember a lot of sites getting into problems because of lyrics.
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12:08.31asmodaiMm, leaked photos of the GTX 485
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12:12.56asmodaiMmm, so this Intel SSD is in 9.5mm and 7.0mm -- price difference about EUR 10 -- but in a normal miditower the 9.5mm should not have much problems fitting, should it?
12:14.20Kalrothif you got problems fitting a drive that is 0.95 x 0.7 centimeters, then you need bigger casing :P
12:14.32asmodaiyeah, but that's why I am curious
12:15.01asmodaiI wonder what that 7.0mm is aimed at
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12:15.17KalrothHeight, duh!
12:15.50Kalroth(it seems largely irrelevant)
12:15.54asmodaihehe
12:16.03asmodaiI mean, a laptop would use 1.8" I guess?
12:16.11Kalrothyeah, but 1.8 inches is 4.5 cm
12:16.15Kalrothnot 9.0mm
12:16.30Kalroth4.60* cm
12:17.12asmodaiThese 7.0 and 9.5mm are 2.5" form factors
12:17.18asmodaithere's also a 1.8"
12:17.29asmodaihas no idea what laptops build in nowadays
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13:01.43Axodiousanyone else can't download from wowi?
13:01.50Axodiousopens a new page to the addon im trying to download
13:05.23Fiskerslaps asmodai around a bit with a large trout
13:05.27Fiskersauce asmodai
13:05.35Fiskeri need a new graphics card soon
13:12.37asmodaiit's the only thing I am not ordering right now, next to a soundcard and a monitor.
13:13.17jnwhitehhttp://apidiff.pastey.net/137996
13:14.26asmodaijnwhiteh: Not surprised about those BN*() calls :)
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13:20.26Xinhuani can't decide what i need more
13:20.28vhaarroh, SendSystemMessage
13:20.36Xinhuana new keyboard, a new monitor, or a new gx card
13:21.01asmodaiXinhuan: in my case it was the whole shit
13:21.12asmodaithen again, think my rig is now ~4 years old
13:21.23asmodaiwith only minimal upgrades
13:21.25vhaarrdepends what you do more, I guess; type, watch movies or play
13:21.29asmodaiSo it was about time
13:22.03vhaarrBetterDate, CanCooperateWithToon, wtf
13:24.10vhaarrXinhuan: I got a new keyboard last year, real mechanical keyboards have really grown on me - I hadn't used those since primary school with the old IBM machines, but now they are back
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13:24.32vhaarrI love everything about it, the feel, the sound and the looks
13:24.40Xinhuanaren't all keyboards mechanical, in a sense?
13:25.06vhaarrthe typical keyboards are not, they are membrane
13:25.11vhaarrlogitech/microsoft/etc
13:25.18Xinhuanmy keyboard is about 12 years old
13:25.25Xinhuanuses the ps/2 big round plug
13:25.27vhaarrname/modellnumber?
13:25.31Xinhuani had to buy an adapter for it
13:25.33vhaarrAT plug
13:25.47Xinhuanbrand is... Chicony
13:25.53vhaarrah those can be good
13:25.56XinhuanKB5911
13:25.58vhaarrKB-5181?
13:25.59vhaarrah okay
13:26.03winkif you disconnected an AT keyboard, your computer could freeze
13:26.27vhaarrKB5911 is a rubber dome keyboard
13:26.33vhaarra crossover between mechanical and membrane really
13:26.37Xinhuanit feels good though
13:26.40vhaarryeah they can be nice
13:26.45Xinhuanand it doesn't click too loudly late
13:26.46Xinhuanat night
13:26.51vhaarrquality of them depends heavily on manufacturer
13:26.52winkit looks exactly like one of the old cherry ones
13:27.22asmodaiI prefer membrame ones.
13:27.26vhaarrXinhuan: I use a Topre-based keyboard myself, but there are several kinds of key switches to pick from
13:27.26asmodaimembrane even
13:27.51Xinhuanafraid i don't understand the different keyboard type terms lol
13:27.54vhaarryou would probably enjoy Topre if you like the KB5911, but they are expensive
13:27.58asmodaiSo quiet.
13:28.03asmodaiAnd wtf did my Hero just reboot?
13:28.03vhaarrTopre is a type of key switch
13:28.17jnwhitehasmodai: what ROM are you running?
13:28.40asmodaijnwhiteh: the latest FOTA, waiting for 2.1 to come out this week or next
13:28.52vhaarrXinhuan: these are two topre boards; http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se1800 and http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=pfu_keyboards,hhkbpro2&pid=pdkb400b
13:28.54jnwhiteh*nod*
13:28.55vhaarrXinhuan: I use the hhkb
13:29.07asmodaijnwhiteh: I'm taking the consumer road, screw messing with rooting and all that.
13:29.19jnwhitehMy fiancé is using the 2.1 Taiwan ROM and its working brilliantly for him.
13:29.29jnwhitehAh, I found I _HAD_ to root and custom Rom with the Hero.
13:29.42jnwhitehI couldn't take using buggy 1.5 =/
13:29.46Xinhuanis there a guide somewhere that has different key types?
13:29.53jnwhitehBut then I was spending too much time on Hero development, so I bought a Nexus One =)
13:30.07asmodaijnwhiteh: Oh really, I've only messed with the SDK so far.
13:30.31jnwhitehyeah I developed CyanogenMod for Hero for quite some time
13:30.38jnwhitehbut it was taking too much of my time
13:30.59asmodaiLessee 2.73.405.93 is the current build I run.
13:31.24asmodaiHahaha, cool, wasn't aware you were involved with XDA.
13:32.28jnwhitehI didn't post on XDA much
13:32.30asmodaiHero 's been working quite well for me -- only thing screwing me over is that the university I work for (and some others) use a Dynamic-WEP setup for wireless, which it doesn't support. >_<
13:32.37jnwhitehmore on Modaco, which is 10x better
13:32.42jnwhitehah, that sucks.
13:32.59asmodaiYeah, thankfully I can use the guest wireless which requires a web frontend login.
13:33.28asmodaiI wonder if 2.1 supports it.
13:33.41asmodaiSucks to see the iPhone just connect. :S
13:34.25jnwhiteh2.1 probably supports it just fine, dont' see why it wouldn't.
13:35.10asmodaiNo idea.
13:35.23asmodaiWonder if 2.1 will be the end or if they'll do 2.2 as well at some point.
13:36.41asmodai2.2 was where Google is disconnecting userland stuff from the kernel related stuff in order to make the load on manufacturers lighter wrt updates, right?
13:38.42Fiskerasmodai
13:39.11asmodaiFiska.
13:39.26Fiskersauce
13:39.50asmodainam pla
13:40.08Fiskernam pla?
13:40.10FiskerNO!
13:40.13asmodaifish sauce
13:40.32Fiskeryou made ridiculous claims with no sauce
13:43.00asmodaiMmm, NASA warning for massive solar storms in 2013 that might cause widespread electronical equipment damage.
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14:00.44Repo- v1.03:  Applied Ponyhof's final fix for 2H Wielding scores.  Please let me know if this does NOT fix the problem.
14:04.19asmodaihopes Slovenia kicks the UK's ass.
14:05.47Zyn-England has so much pressure on them, it will probably happen, choking the entire game
14:06.43asmodainods
14:07.41asmodaiDamn, that was some controlled playing of Slovenia there :|
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14:13.04Repo10fubar_gearrating: 03arathon2 04v1.03 * r41 : Tagging as v1.03
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14:15.22asmodaiIs it me or is that ball floating weird through the air
14:17.00asmodaiOh that's pretty cool, that green and red next to the teams shows who goes through with the current score. Schweet.
14:17.42Zyn-the ball is lighter than they're used to, and have been all the time
14:17.45Zyn-dunno why
14:18.34asmodaiZyn-: I noticed when Lampard took the free kick
14:18.40asmodaiZyn-: it just seemed to float like crazy
14:19.20Zyn-HELIUM
14:19.24asmodaihahahaha
14:19.27asmodaioh noes
14:19.39Zyn-no wait, they filled it with marijuana
14:19.46Zyn-the ball is high as hell
14:20.18Zyn-USA scored ... ALMOST
14:20.23Zyn-offside says "oh no u dont"
14:20.30asmodaiSlovenia is now being abit sloppy.
14:21.52asmodaiWhy is everybody so lyrical over Rooney? I can't say he's that impressive.
14:22.17Zyn-snaaaap
14:22.20Zyn-England 1-0
14:22.22Zyn-D:
14:22.52asmodaifeck
14:22.56asmodaiI only see the goal now
14:23.39Zyn-apparently refs are owning the US
14:23.43Zyn-goals? OH NO YOU DONT
14:23.47asmodai:(
14:24.13asmodaiI love that German ref with his arms, "Calm down, it's MY game"
14:24.15Zyn-that 3-2 goal being taken away was one sight to behold
14:24.21asmodaiyea
14:25.52asmodaijeez, Algeria is playing sad
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14:26.09Zyn-they are the bottomfeeders of the group, so
14:26.14Zyn-with one massive 1 point
14:26.18asmodaiBut so, so, defensively :(
14:27.08asmodaiwtf, no advantage
14:27.16asmodaiThat ref is really being an ass :S
14:27.25asmodaiZyn-: I now know what you mean
14:27.55bluspacecowso who's playing ?
14:28.08asmodaiUK - Slo
14:28.10Zyn-England vs Slovenia , and USA vs Algeria
14:28.10asmodaiUS - Alg
14:28.22asmodaionly goal for UK now
14:28.35Zyn-http://images.4chan.org/sp/src/1277302777070.png
14:28.39Zyn-look who's impressed
14:28.47asmodaioh wow
14:29.54Zyn-ALMOST GREEN'D THAT BALL
14:30.59Ackisso is it appropriate to cheer for England and Algeria?
14:31.10asmodaiOh well, at least cool to see the USA participate in a real world series
14:31.25asmodaiInstead of one in name only (Yes, I am looking at you World Series)
14:31.36asmodaiAckis: UK, sure, Algeria, wth?
14:33.20Zyn-Ackis doesn't want the US to advance
14:33.29asmodaiActually, I want them to advance.
14:33.43asmodaiIt's not like the UK has earned it.
14:35.39asmodaiGAH
14:35.43asmodaiscore you fucks
14:35.50Zyn-close but no cigar
14:36.01asmodaiyea
14:36.16Zyn-the goal is like THOU SHALT NOT PASS
14:36.21Zyn-HAHA
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14:36.24Zyn-PEW, above
14:36.25asmodaihahaha and the ref is like Gandalf?
14:36.51asmodaiGAAAAAAAAAAAAH
14:37.01Zyn-the US is aiming for low orbit shots today
14:37.08AckisZyn-: you read my mind! :D
14:37.36asmodaiZyn-: what the hell was that shot about? :S
14:38.33Zyn-the US strategy to nail russian satellites
14:40.00asmodailol
14:40.06Zyn-I am waiting for someone to make a gif out of Shaolin Soccer, where the final goal is disallowed due to offside
14:41.41Ackisso having not seen a goal disallowed from the USA, are they legit or questionable or just completely whacked?
14:42.05asmodaiYou mean, if the USA team is legit?
14:42.17Ackisno, the goals that were called back
14:42.29asmodaiAh, legit.
14:42.38asmodaiThe current Belgian referees are whacked btw Zyn-
14:42.50asmodaiEven our Dutch commentator is saying they're failing at crucial moments a lot.
14:42.55Zyn-put the malaian ref back in, he was great
14:43.20Zyn-US player touches the ball, ????, offside
14:44.34asmodainice defensive move by that right back -- good use of the shoulder
14:44.36Zyn-hah, I'm not the only one thinking the ball is filled with helium or some other very light gas
14:44.43Zyn-people wonder what's up with the ball
14:44.50asmodaiyeah, commentator just said the ball was wobbly
14:45.11bluspacecowwas it on drugs ?
14:45.16Zyn-they'll cut it open after the game and find a family of gerbils in it
14:56.18asmodaigah, Slovenia seriously degraded after that goal
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14:56.28asmodaiso many fumbles and bad passes/plays
15:02.37Zyn-uh oh, here comes the card
15:02.39Zyn-ssss
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15:03.39asmodaislaps Fisker with a baby sperm whale
15:03.58Torhalasmodai: Foo?
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15:04.17asmodaiWell, it was whether it was normal that upon opening arl through the scan button it resets the 'list only recipes for which I have materials' to not selected
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15:04.50Torhal???
15:04.51bluspacecowwhere da fish @ ?
15:04.58asmodaiTorhal: ok, so take e.g. cooking
15:05.12asmodaiTorhal: open frame, select that option with materials available
15:05.17asmodaiTorhal: it shortens the list
15:05.36asmodaiTorhal: select the scan button of arl to pop open arl's frame and it deselects the checkmark
15:05.48TorhalOh, hrm.
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15:06.01TorhalThat's definitely not intended.
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15:07.35asmodaiTorhal: Wasn't sure if it was a feature of the frame or something -- it's minor, but it resets the frame's state when you open arl
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15:08.36Zyn-Rooney starring in: The Ball That Got Away
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15:10.02asmodaiZyn-: lol
15:11.05Zyn-oh wow, so much butthurt on /sp/ over that offside goal
15:11.12Zyn-"this sport sucks"
15:12.20asmodaiFootball needs to use more controlling referees.
15:12.29asmodaiThat will use the images in time of debate.
15:13.01Zyn-England vs Post
15:13.03Zyn-Post wins
15:13.20bluspacecowPost ?
15:13.47Zyn-goal post
15:14.04bluspacecowso someone from england run into a post ?
15:14.09Zyn-OH GOD IM LAUGHING SO HARD
15:14.11Zyn-USA, dear god
15:14.16Zyn-try hitting the goal at least
15:14.21asmodaiWTF
15:14.24asmodaiScore you guys
15:15.01Zyn-this is just ridiculous
15:15.18Zyn-"omg here's my chance HNNNNG!" and WHAMMO the ball goes to another country
15:17.27asmodailol
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15:19.51asmodaiheh, Dutch commentator compares the ref to someone not too pleasant
15:20.10Zyn-man, at least the english fans are louder than the vuvuzelas
15:20.38asmodaiyea
15:20.54asmodaiThat surprised me
15:21.31Fiskerasmodai
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15:23.01asmodaijeez, he more than tripped over the ball rather than shot
15:23.04Zyn-I think ENG just pooped their pants in that situation
15:24.45asmodaiwatching the other match
15:24.51asmodaiswitches streams
15:25.09Zyn-got a stream of ENG vs SLO here, and US vs ALG on my TV
15:26.01Zyn-hah, Algeria was close
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15:27.46asmodailol
15:27.50asmodaiclose to an own goal too ;)
15:30.11Zyn-that english singing
15:30.12Zyn-holy shit
15:32.19asmodaihahaha, the US trainer was cursing loudly behind his hand
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15:35.20Zyn-if the refs disallow another US goal, I think they will just walk off the field
15:36.17asmodaiheh
15:37.52asmodaiAlgeria, roll over and die already
15:39.19asmodaiDempsey is pissed with the ref
15:39.32steevbleh
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15:39.39asmodai(rightfully so)
15:39.44steevaddons broken and whatnot
15:39.50asmodaimmm, not for me
15:39.56steevforgot my authenticator at work last night
15:39.57asmodaiand I'm on 3.3.3 (just didn't update chatter)
15:40.08steevyeah, chatter is the one i'm talkin about mostly
15:40.14steevthere was something else, but i can't recall
15:42.05asmodaiwth, that ball seems to flatten out when kicked
15:42.17Kaelteng'morning
15:42.31asmodaiHave to agree with the Dutch commentator, the US team keeps on fighting.
15:42.43steevasmodai: its not the "normal" ball thats been used for ages, its a new one developed by adidas and fifa
15:42.47steevor something
15:44.04asmodaiYeah, it sucks hard
15:44.32steevthis working from an office instead of home shit sucks
15:45.11asmodaiLove the camera guy, picked up a cute girl
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15:46.35Zyn-Mr. Nervous Legs on the US team
15:46.47asmodaiyea
15:47.04asmodaia pity
15:47.13Zyn-lol picked it up
15:47.28Zyn-oh, hands
15:47.46Zyn-heh 4 minutes
15:47.50asmodaiwtf
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15:47.59asmodaimmm, not quite hands
15:48.00Torhalasmodai: ^^
15:48.03asmodaiTorhal: <3
15:48.27Zyn-US scored
15:48.41asmodaieh?
15:48.52Zyn-1-0 to US
15:48.56Zyn-Algeria caved in
15:48.56asmodaijeez
15:48.57asmodaiman
15:48.59asmodaiI just saw it
15:49.03asmodaithat's like a minute delay
15:49.12asmodaiBOOM
15:49.15asmodaiemotional explosion
15:49.30Zyn-in before Algeria pulls out their magic card
15:49.32asmodaibye bye Slovenia!
15:49.39asmodais/card/carpet/
15:49.46Zyn-so now it's US and England advancing
15:49.53asmodaijeez
15:50.00asmodaimust Slovenia be mourning now XD
15:50.49asmodaibye bye
15:50.50asmodaired card
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15:54.11asmodairofl, so everybody talking WC on trade
15:54.14asmodaigold spammer interferes
15:54.19asmodaihatred to gold spammer
15:54.21asmodairofl
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15:57.41asmodaiI envision Slovenia being depressed to tears now
16:00.32asmodaiimagine if Ghana wins and either Serbia or Australia XD
16:04.17groktarsits on slovenia's face and poops
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16:06.07asmodaigroktar: heh
16:06.24groktarthat would have been so wrong if slovenia made it through instead of the us
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16:14.37asmodaiWatching my toon ride the Felsteed, I cannot help but think how incredibly out of place they look together.
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16:18.52Brybryif ghana won and australia won and I was germany then there would be war.
16:20.22asmodairofl
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16:27.26asmodaihttp://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone-4-Teardown/3130/1
16:38.57kagaro|sleepinghow do you dump the raw text in a chat message i.e. without wow parsing the markup?
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17:31.02Mikkkagaro|sleeping: replace | with ||
17:31.48Mikkoerr and then there's the targetting symbols.. no clue on how to avoid that being parsed
17:45.32kagaro|sleepingi got it mikk, thanks
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17:53.06Fiskernoone cares asmodai
17:58.23Repo10chatter: 03kagaro 07master * v1.2-2-g8bd5086 Modules (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Fixed PlayNames module
17:58.37kagarook colorization and emphisis workign again
17:58.54nevcairielI hope you fix it backwards-compatible ;)
18:00.03kagaronope, master already has the 3.3.5 code in it
18:00.12kagarojsut dont update till tuesday
18:00.20Shefkikagaro: lol
18:00.27kagarochat msg formats are different now
18:00.41nevcairielits a f'ing week, some if's wouldnt hurt =P
18:01.01nevcairielif its one day, like usually, i'm all for "dont update"
18:01.03nevcairielbut a week? :d
18:01.22kagaroim not tagging anythign as release so
18:01.25durcynback of the bus, euroboy
18:01.46nevcairielpersonally, i dont care. I will probably not even login over the week
18:01.54nevcairielalthough i need 2 fire achievements, i should do them
18:02.07kagaroysera didnt come up last night till 10:30pm EST and even then was unplayable
18:02.30Shefkinevcairiel: I'm sure your chat mod being broken will impede that horribly (sorry couldn't resist).
18:02.44nevcairielI dont use chatter
18:02.51nevcairielbut i bet mine is broken as well
18:03.00nevcairielwait, it will be broken with 3.3.5
18:03.01nevcairielthat way :d
18:03.16nevcairielbut i think about the usual wave of users complaining
18:03.24kagarosample msg: [12:53:52]Adding text |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party Leader]|h |Hplayer:Michelina:1152:PARTY|h[|cfff48cbaMichelina|r]|h: Helloe Elliorra
18:03.34kagaroignore the Addin text part, i put that in there
18:03.48kagaroor in guild chat
18:03.49kagaro|Hchannel:GUILD|h[Guild]|h |Hplayer:Lexsan:1087:GUILD|h[|cffffffffLexsan|r]|h: i think the game is feelign bad for me and my gearscore.. i'm getting into instances in like 3 mins
18:04.09Ac-townlol
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18:10.41Fiskeri agree nevcairiel
18:10.56Fiskerwith a week apart patches they could atleast put in a few ifs
18:12.14asmodaiif $username == 'fisker':
18:12.37asmodai<PROTECTED>
18:13.15Repo10gridstatustth (experimental): 03slaren 04v0.9 * r4 : Tagging as v0.9
18:14.26Shefkiasmodai: Jeez at least do it right, if UnitName("player") == "Fisker" then Logout() end
18:14.40asmodaiShefki: Pseudo code. :P
18:14.56steevhttp://i.imgur.com/7HJ1Y.jpg
18:15.14steevShefki: if you're gonna do it right, its Fiskerdin
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18:18.39AckisShefki: Fiserdin isn't it?
18:19.05ShefkiHell I don't know his character name(s).
18:19.13ShefkiObvoiusly you guys stalk him enough to know them for sure.
18:19.36Ackis:P
18:19.42asmodairofl
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18:20.08ShefkiIf I was going to stalk someone they'd be hotter than Fisker is.
18:20.26asmodaiThat reminds me:
18:20.29ShefkiBut hey I'm cool if that's what floats your boat.
18:20.29asmodai[11:01] << Fisker>> btw jnwhiteh
18:20.29asmodai[11:01] << Fisker>> google maps thinks we should be friends
18:20.29asmodai[11:01] << Fisker>> isn't that sweet?
18:20.29asmodai[11:01] <<+jnwhiteh>> stalker
18:20.29asmodai[11:02] << Fisker>> :(
18:20.31asmodai[11:02] <<+jnwhiteh>> lol
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18:36.26Fiskeryou have been stopped Shefki
18:36.36Fiskerwhy so abusive asmodai ?
18:36.42Fiskernaw steev
18:37.34steevi don't stalk him, he keeps linking to his trolling in the forums
18:37.57steevhum
18:38.12steevso there is no way to turn off "friend of friend" battle.net shit?
18:38.23nevcairielno
18:38.27steevgay
18:38.28nevcairielwell yes, dont use real id
18:38.54Fiskergay indeed steev
18:39.03steevFisker: wanna make out?
18:39.23asmodai<< Fisker>> naw steev
18:39.23Fiskeryeah
18:39.26Fiskera
18:39.33steevugh, i need to update a ton of addons
18:40.16steevoh wait, it isn't as bad as i thought
18:46.11Repo10fubar: 03Arrowmaster 04v3.6.6 * r34 : Tagging as v3.6.6
18:46.20ShefkiArrowmaster: Sucker.
18:46.31MysticalOS:o
18:46.33ShefkiI was gonna leave it broke this time.
18:46.47Arrowmasteri want my points
18:47.12Ac-townfubar fixed?
18:47.22MysticalOSmeh it wasn't broken yet, just needed new libjostle
18:47.28Ac-townyeah
18:47.40Ac-towndo the other fubar addons need that?
18:47.44Ac-townor should it just work
18:47.59MysticalOSit'll just work, but you're better off with mitch's bazooka
18:48.02ShefkiJust FuBar itself.
18:48.11Ac-townmmk
18:48.27Ac-townsucked no having fubar
18:48.31Ac-townnot*
18:48.47Fiskerbananaphone Shefki
18:48.49Ac-towncheck trying to see whos online in the guild, but no guildfu
18:49.17Arrowmasteryeah thats probably fucked
18:49.27Ac-townyeah, I wouldn't be suprised lol
18:49.34Ac-townmaybe I'll fix it
18:49.35ArrowmasterShefki: did the ToC change?
18:49.58Arrowmaster~weather kday
18:50.11Arrowmastertoo hot
18:51.00ShefkiArrowmaster: If you mean interface version, no.
18:51.13Ac-townlooking at guildfu on wowace, it hasn't been updated in over a year lol
18:51.15Fiskerslaps Arrowmaster around a bit with a large trout
18:51.18ShefkiBlizzard likes making incompatable changes to the API without changing the interface version.
18:51.26ShefkiTHey used to restrict themselves to doing so on major releases.
18:51.31ShefkiNo they make the changes on minor releases.
18:51.37ShefkiBut don't bother to change the interface version.
18:51.43ShefkiNegating the entire purpose of it.
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18:53.12nevcairielThey've always broken minor things in minor patches
18:53.25nevcairieland ever since they re-invented the toc versioning, i dont think it changed in any minor patch
18:53.26Arrowmasterchat isnt a minor thing though
18:53.37Arrowmasternevcairiel: 20003
18:53.50Shefkinevcairiel: They're not changing minor things.
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18:54.22nevcairielWhen i logged on the PTR, i wasnt spammed with errors
18:54.25nevcairielminor for me :D
18:54.30Amundhey guys
18:54.43Amundis there a pitbull unitframes specific channel?
18:54.49ShefkiNo
18:55.04nevcairielLike you said earlier, your chat mod being broken wont really impact your game play ;)
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18:55.05Shefkinevcairiel: It won't but it still is justification for a interface version bump.
18:55.05Amundmind if i ask a minor question about it in this channel?
18:55.13nevcairielwell
18:55.14Shefki~asktoask
18:55.15purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
18:55.15nevcairieltechnically
18:55.24nevcairielthe API didnt change much, did it? Just additions for b.net
18:55.29nevcairielwhat changed is their implementation
18:55.52Shefkinevcairiel: There is no separation from their implementation and the API becuase they've never made a clear separation.
18:56.05AmundIs there any way with pitbull unitframes,  to show tenths of seconds left on your own debuffs?
18:56.10nevcairieldelete framexml, what remains = API
18:56.29ShefkiAmund: The duration timer countdown will show 10ths under 3 seconds if I remember right.
18:56.59Fiskera
18:57.10Shefkinevcairiel: You realize that FrameXML contains some of the API.  Things like SecureTemplates, SecureHandler, the sandbox code...
18:57.17Amundim using omnicc,  is it omnicc that is providing the timers for pitbull aswell? or is the timers etc i see in pitbull comming with pitbul
18:57.32ShefkiIf you delete FrameXML you couldn't do even play with replacement addons.
18:57.42Ac-townomnicc can show tenths of seconds
18:58.09Amundok sec
18:58.13ShefkiAmund: OmniCC may or may not be showing on PB4's aura frames it depends on how you have it configured.
18:58.20nevcairielWell then add stuff thats considered API, like what you listed there. But if they redesign one of their frames, and addons break that hooked into that .. hell, they would need a bump every minor patch
18:58.27Aens|Superiority@hudmap
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18:58.39ShefkiAmund: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/omnicc_disable_pitbull4.aspx
18:58.41ArrowmasterShefki: so i dont see any whining about Cartographer, did it break anymore this patch?
18:58.46nevcairielAnd personally, i would hate that. Way too many authors that just bump their addons for the hell of it
18:58.53nevcairielArrowmaster: not many map changes
18:58.57ShefkiArrowmaster: Beats me.
18:59.07nevcairieljust some internal cleanups, iirc
18:59.10HirsuteArrowmaster: People still insist on using it?
18:59.13ShefkiArrowmaster: I haven't heard anything but it was broken before so people probably aren't whining about it still being broken.
18:59.33MysticalOSi noticed libjostle isn't moving the new chat frame down though. kind of annoying as i had to move some raid frames around a little to compensate
18:59.36Arrowmasterall comments and tickets are disabled so i dont see feedback about it on curse/wowace anymore
18:59.59ArrowmasterMysticalOS: i fixed it in about 2 seconds when 3.3.5 hit the PTR what do you expect
18:59.59ShefkiMysticalOS: It wasw just updated to stop erroring, nobody has seriously fixed LibJostle to support new frames in ages.
19:00.17MysticalOSthat's what i figured
19:00.23AmundAc-town, Shefki: thanks alot for your help guys, i didnt know it was omniCC that provided the counting in pitbull aswell, now that i know that, i enabled tenth of a second in omnicc, and its now showing up as i wanted in pitbull aswell. Thanks alot to all of you that helped me, realy appriciated
19:00.25ShefkiMostly because it's a huge headache to do it.
19:00.36Ac-townAmund: np
19:00.43Arrowmasterfucking jostle still has fucking gypsemod stuff in it
19:00.59Arrowmasteror did i remove that
19:01.14Arrowmasterbut yeah unitframes from fucking 1.x
19:01.32nevcairieland i thought its point was to just move the *Default* UI, as custom addons can be moved anyway
19:01.35ShefkiArrowmaster: Sounds like a canidate for a Cata rewrite.
19:01.50asmodairofl, is that one player called schweinstein?
19:02.00nevcairielschweinsteiger
19:02.03Arrowmasterit was a canidate for a tbc and a wrath rewrite
19:02.19ShefkiArrowmaster: True.
19:02.27Arrowmasternobody should have fucking wrote new addons using it but they did
19:02.38nevcairieli guess 3.0 was just a LibStub change without code fixes?
19:02.46Arrowmasteryes
19:03.10ShefkiArrowmaster: I thought FuBar was the only thing that used it but I guess not.
19:03.22nevcairieli think clad used it for his LDB display
19:03.36ShefkiI know ChocolateBar and Bazooka are using it.
19:03.36MysticalOSbazooka uses it
19:03.39ShefkiAnd ButtonBin
19:03.48nevcairielall these ldb things!
19:03.58ShefkiI found that out yesterday by collating the complaints on the forums.
19:03.59Arrowmasterhttp://www.wowace.com/addons/libjostle-3-0/reverse-relationships/
19:04.26nevcairielwhy do fubar plugins use it? <.<
19:04.34Arrowmasteri dont fucking know
19:04.51ShefkiYou have to ask.
19:04.54ShefkiLook at the author.
19:05.03Ac-townah, I see what libjostle does
19:05.04ShefkiLordFarlander.
19:05.12nevcairielShefki: look a bit up, its ckk :P
19:05.24ArrowmasterShefki: i am the author for half those fubar plugins
19:05.28Arrowmasteri still dont fucking know
19:05.59ShefkiLocationFu is probably just a fuckup on dependencies.
19:06.09Arrowmasterprobably
19:06.50ShefkiMaybe I'll put some time in and fixup LibJostle.
19:06.55ShefkiRemove all the crap.
19:06.59ShefkiBecuase it's obviously useful.
19:07.04ShefkiIt just needs some help.
19:07.48Arrowmasterlast time i tried it wasnt possible to do a proper fix
19:07.57Shefkitaint?
19:08.24Arrowmasterstuff like the default unitframes moves back to the original position when getting in a vehicle and such and you can only move it again once out of combat
19:08.29Arrowmasteryeah taint
19:08.43nevcairielheh yeah, vehicle stuff moves the UFs
19:09.02Arrowmasteri yelled at somebody for that
19:09.06Arrowmasteri dont remember who
19:09.19ShefkiThink you can fix that.  Pretty sure they're using the animation system for it.
19:09.29ShefkiChanging the animation attributes shouldn't taint anything.
19:09.31Arrowmasteri yelled at zootfizzle for the 'local COMBATLOG = COMBATLOG' over and over and it still never got changed
19:09.31nevcairielnot for the UFs
19:09.34ShefkiUgh.
19:09.44nevcairielthey animate the bottom UI in
19:09.47nevcairielbut not the UFs
19:09.49nevcairieliirc
19:10.03ShefkiWell isn't that just lovely.
19:10.24Arrowmasterblizzard do not like eating their own dogfood
19:10.28nevcairielthe default UFs are not meant to be useful :D
19:10.44Shefkinevcairiel: Sad but true.
19:11.06asmodaiArrowmaster: curious that
19:11.16Arrowmaster?
19:11.28asmodaiThat they don't eat their own dogfood
19:11.37ShefkiWhy is that curious?
19:11.39nevcairielwho does
19:11.43Arrowmasteri doubt they even use the SC2 map editor they released
19:11.53ShefkiMost of the stuff they don't use exists to get around taint issues, which they don't have.
19:11.55asmodainevcairiel: I know of some companies that do, e.g. Valve.
19:12.15nevcairielvalve usually has some really good tools
19:12.21ShefkiIf they were smart they'd rewrite all their stuff to use the same APIs we use and leave 99% of the UI unsigned.
19:12.25nevcairielthe HL1 map editor was really nice
19:12.36ShefkiIt'd make it a whole lot harder to find security wholes in the taint system too.
19:12.42asmodaiYeah, the current one is a bit dated in some ways though, but hey, they still use it themselves.
19:13.05ShefkiBut they'd have to rewrite everything.
19:13.15ShefkiI've made a standing offer to do it for free! If they'll let me.
19:13.24ShefkiNo response.
19:13.25ArrowmasterShefki: they still havent rewritten their API to return true/false instead of 1/nil like i suggested back in tbc beta
19:13.44nevcairielthats really a unneeded waste of developer time
19:13.55ShefkiI don't really see that as a big deal.
19:13.59ShefkiIt'd be nice but whatever.
19:13.59Arrowmasteri was going to apply for the Lua Programmer job opening they had, but moving to cali would be too expensive
19:14.13ShefkiI thought about it but yeah, don't want to move there.
19:14.32WobinI considered it
19:14.39nevcairielDont assume you would be able to fix those things =P
19:14.41Wobinbut hell, my moving costs would be well above yours =P
19:14.50Wobinalso, it'd make me responsible for blizzardui
19:14.53Wobinwhich can't be fun
19:15.02Shefkinevcairiel: Probably wouldn't even be working on WoW.  Or if you were you'd just be implementing the UI for new features.
19:15.14nevcairielindeed
19:15.24Shefkinevcairiel: If I had access I'd probably fix a lot of crap in my own time for the sake of the community unless they flat out told me I couldn't.
19:15.40nevcairielthey only touch old code if its required, or if something is really badly in need of fixes
19:15.43ShefkiIt's pretty obvious whenever some new dev coomes in over there, lots of bizzare but pointless changes come through.
19:15.43nevcairielmaybe like the raid frames
19:15.54ShefkiLike the change a few patches back to the name of the API for difficulty colors.
19:15.55nevcairielbut they'll just improve the user experience, not redo them to use the templates
19:16.37Shefkinevcairiel: But that's the thing, it would improve the user experience by redoing them to use the templates because the templates would get better and all the unit frames would benefit.
19:17.12nevcairielprobably not, the basic features their UI has are working
19:17.16ShefkiStupid bugs like duplicate names in the party wigging otu would get fixed.
19:17.17nevcairieljust some advanced stuff is weird =P
19:17.25Shefkinevcairiel: No they are not.
19:17.35ShefkiThere are numerous bugs in the templates that most people just don't see very often.
19:17.44nevcairielMaybe its Pitbulls fault then, i havent seen any bugs
19:17.46ShefkiIf the default UI used the templates they'd be seen more often and fixed.
19:18.03Shefkinevcairiel: It's not.  There are legitimate bugs with the templates.
19:18.06Arrowmasterwhat the hell is the conversion rate of £ to $
19:18.15nevcairielArrowmaster: ask google
19:18.16Ac-townArrowmaster: ask google
19:18.25ShefkiBugs that Shadowed has reported as well as me.
19:18.28Arrowmasteramazon.co.uk has all these console games for less than £20
19:18.33ShefkiBut like I said, they're edge cases.
19:18.39ShefkiCases that don't tend to come up very ofoten.
19:18.42Arrowmasterthat are almost full price on amazon.com
19:18.57ShefkiLike having two people in the party with the same name.
19:18.59nevcairielthats about 30$
19:19.20ShefkiIf that happens you'll have two frames for those two people but they'll show the details for only one of them.
19:19.27nevcairielhm i dont have the pound sign on the keyboard
19:19.38ShefkiBecause the templates treat the character name as a unique key.
19:19.56ShefkiWhich it isn't due to battlegrounds and dungeon finder.
19:22.42Arrowmasterboth of these are sold and shipped by amazon and not somebody else http://www.amazon.co.uk/Square-Enix-Nier-Xbox-360/dp/B003922WQ6 http://www.amazon.com/NIER-Xbox-360/dp/B002BRUTT2
19:23.40nevcairielits on sale from 45, which would fit the US price
19:23.43nevcairieljust better sale :D
19:23.54nevcairielUK has stuff like that for movies or games quite often
19:23.57nevcairielno idea why
19:24.04asmodaiwonders why Germany keeps trying to go through the middle all the time.
19:24.13nevcairielso are we losing?
19:24.19asmodaiNot yet.
19:24.22asmodai0 everywhere.
19:24.32asmodaiBut Germany is degrading fast.
19:26.11nevcairieloh break already
19:26.20asmodaiyea
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19:27.08nevcairielwell ghana knows that they can settle with a tie
19:27.47asmodaitrue
19:28.56nevcairielman that would be a depressed mood tomorrow at work when we lose =P
19:29.02asmodai\o/
19:29.09asmodaiDie Mannschaft getting shafted
19:31.22Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 07cataclysm * r2697 Libs/: -- Add AceConfig-3.0
19:31.23Repo-- Remove DewDrop
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19:39.20nevcairielhm
19:39.52AdamJrHey guys, anyone got any clue how to change the layout on the debuffs in pitbull 4?
19:40.04ShefkiWhat do you want to do?
19:40.27AdamJrlike, i got my own debuffs showing TOP LEFT, and it grows RIGHT then UP
19:40.48AdamJrso 3 debuffs will be going right, the 4`th will be in a new row upwards
19:41.01AdamJrid like to have atleast the 4 first debuffs to be going right
19:41.14ShefkiIncrease the width.
19:41.32ShefkiYou can set the width as either pixels or as a % of the side of the frame you're attached to.
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19:42.33AdamJrwow, awsome! got it working, thanks alot shefki!
19:42.52AdamJrfor some reason i thot it was the width of the icons :P
19:44.48ShefkiIcons are controlled by the size setting, and the icons are square so it's the same for width and height.
19:45.01AdamJris it possible to also make the debuffs sort according to timeleft?
19:45.25AdamJrthink im just seeing the options to sort from type and alfabeticaly
19:45.31ShefkiThey should be already.  I know aura sorting code is something that still needed work.
19:46.12Shefkiok I lied, guess I never added that.
19:46.22GER|koaschtenGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL
19:46.24ShefkiAdamJr: Not at this time, open a ticket to remind me to get back to that.
19:46.25asmodaioh wow
19:46.28asmodaiDE scores
19:46.49nevcairieltoo bad, and i was hoping the whole thing would be over soon
19:47.15asmodaibeautiful goal
19:47.22AdamJrshefki, alright, il do that right now before i forget it, whould be a awsome adition, a bit easyer to keep track of my shadowpriest debuffs
19:47.33asmodaiand almost 1-1 XD
19:49.51Nivso do we have any addons that replace all real name references in the UI w/ nicknames yet?
19:49.54Niv:)
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19:51.49GER|koaschtenwrite one Niv and call it FakeID? ;)
19:52.13NivI was considering it
19:52.18Nivjust wondering if anyone did it yet
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19:52.29Nivseems like a natural addon to appear
19:53.16GER|koaschtenI so gonna write a ticket when it goes live in EU asking where the privacy options are.....
19:53.23asmodaiheh
19:53.24asmodaiall of us
19:54.23nevcairielseems like ghana is building up some pressure there
19:55.02asmodairofl, Dutch commentator: 4-5 replays while they're people being changed and Ghana is pushing on, someone please take away the toys of the people in the director's room
19:56.25asmodaiwow
19:56.36asmodaigoal for Australia?
19:56.50asmodaijups
19:57.24asmodaiHahaha, that would mean UK vs DE
19:58.34GER|koaschtennow germany needs to score 4 more and the aussies advance over ghana ;)
19:58.58nevcairielsrb and ghana need to win, clearly
19:59.39nevcairielhm ok, SRB isnt winning =P
19:59.40asmodaiGER|koaschten: or both have to score ;)
19:59.49GER|koaschtenaustralia 2:0
19:59.49asmodaiwow
19:59.50GER|koaschten?
19:59.52asmodaiAustrlia 2 -0
19:59.58asmodaiyeah, just saw
20:00.01GER|koaschtenthey seem to make it on their own D
20:00.03GER|koaschten:D
20:00.03asmodaimy stream is lagging :S
20:00.19asmodaiand sod you raptors for killing me while alt tabbed >_<
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20:03.25Shadowedwhat did I report
20:03.47asmodaito be honest, I'd love to see it happen, Australia over Ghana
20:04.01Shadowedoh
20:04.56ShefkiAnd it's still not bloody fixed either.  /sigh
20:06.25asmodaiShefki: mmm?
20:08.25DemonHeadxCan anyone login to the game right now?
20:08.47ShefkiYes.
20:08.56DemonHeadxThis is weird since i cannot
20:09.25MysticalOSwhat's the chat type for raid warning for SendChatMessage
20:09.44Shefki!api SendChatMessage
20:09.44lua_botSendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage)
20:09.48ShefkiThere look it up.
20:09.59MysticalOSah, underscore
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20:20.18asmodaitoo bad nevcairiel
20:20.23asmodainevcairiel: group leader :P
20:20.33nevcairielseriously, no break for me
20:20.50Nivhrmm, seems that there is no way to add RealID friends outside the game client?
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20:20.57nevcairielmaybe UK can get their act together now
20:21.16asmodaiand kick DE ass?
20:21.17AdamJrAnyone got ANY idea if Elkano`s buff bars can be configured to show tenth`s of a second?
20:22.11ShefkiNo idea.
20:32.11Nivevery time I see a DK tank w/ parry/stam gems, I want to go camp DKs in hellfire
20:32.17Nivjust to save us from the stupidity
20:35.50asmodaiOK, now I am just confused. Which addon is that that displays the small bars of debuffs on a target? (By default seems to be in the bottom middle of the screen)
20:36.04Torhalasmodai: Forte?
20:36.25asmodaiTorhal: mm, nope, don't have it installed.
20:36.32TorhalClassTimers?
20:36.34asmodaiFirst thought it was EBB, but doesn't look like it
20:36.41asmodaithen thought maybe quartz or suf, nope
20:36.47asmodaiTorhal: also nope.
20:36.49TorhalImagination?
20:36.50Torhal:D
20:36.53asmodaiHahaha, no
20:36.57asmodaiwonders if he needs a screenie
20:37.39asmodaimoment
20:37.50asmodailooks for something to kill
20:37.54asmodaiAh Fisker
20:41.45asmodaiTorhal: http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/debuff.png
20:41.53asmodaiYou can spot the problem I want to fix. :)
20:42.38nevcairielI would say that your problem is that you do like 23 damage per hit
20:42.46asmodainevcairiel: >_<
20:43.05asmodainevcairiel: I'm only level 21
20:43.10nevcairielbut those bars are quartz
20:43.18asmodaiThey are? Mmm
20:43.34nevcairieltarget debuff bars, anchored to the top-right of the player castbar
20:43.34steevasmodai: the problem is you're a gnome
20:43.44asmodaisteev: Aside from that
20:44.22asmodainevcairiel: There's no test option anymore is there?  ( I could remember there being one, but then again, my memory is confusing addons at times )
20:44.42Nivthat doesn't look like quartz to me
20:44.44nevcairielyou can unlock stuff, but its a bit weird for non-castbars
20:45.03asmodaiYeah, I do unlock for the other placement, but didn't see these, hence my confusion :(
20:45.28asmodaiI love the help text for the on-hover of Enable btw :P
20:45.30nevcairielnon-castbars only show up when you have them in "free" positioning mode
20:45.39nevcairielis it "Enable"?
20:45.40nevcairiel:P
20:46.38nevcairielthats one of the things i wanted to improve over time, the positioning and unlocking system
20:46.40nevcairielbut meh
20:46.42nevcairieltime time
20:47.00Torhalasmodai: Buy nevcairiel some more time.
20:47.49asmodainevcairiel: yeah, it's enable
20:47.51asmodai:)
20:48.59asmodaihard to configure the target debuff frame, since you need a target XD
20:50.19asmodaiguess I'll need to dust off my Lua skillz
20:50.26asmodai(or lack of)
20:51.17nevcairielLua is so easy if you can code
20:51.37asmodaiYeah, but I was including the WoW API in one simple statement. *cough*
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20:53.58arkanesasmodai: I've switched from what I was using to Chronobars for all my buff/debuff bar needs
20:56.57asmodainevcairiel: settled for free frame for now
20:57.23asmodainevcairiel: most other options for hooked to the target frame with suf don't seem to provide enough gap and distance :(
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21:08.04AdamJranyone know if Elkano`s buff bars has the possebility to show the time in tenth`s of a second?
21:11.38Repo10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r234 FriendList/FriendList.lua: Fix FriendList module for 3.3.5
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21:14.49asmodaiAdamJr: maybe if you use time format short it will shows tenths when it reaches the second granularity, but not sure.
21:15.57AdamJri have tested all the time formats, by throwing up a new debuff, and let it tick out on the target dummie
21:15.57AdamJrand none of those you can select shows tenth of second
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21:16.16AdamJrtho iv been googling around about it, and somone claimed it was supported, but never mentioned how you enable it
21:19.12asmodaiThen ask Elkano when he's online or submit a ticket or something :)
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21:20.09asmodaiPlease let Cataclysm have higher polygon count character models. This gnome on the felsteed mismatch is starting to annoy me. :(
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21:25.26Adirellea dedication to tekkub : http://lolmartshirts.com/2010/06/23/lolmart-shirts-push-button-receive-bacon/
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21:27.21asmodaiwhat the hell -- wimbledon match that's taking over 10 hours already and is still not finished.
21:27.35asmodaicurrently 59 - 59 in the 5th set
21:29.52AckisI just read an update on it that it was postponed til tomorrow
21:30.50Repo10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r235 FriendList/FriendList.lua: Make the FriendList module skip over the RealID fields.
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21:46.55Torhal"World Server Is Down"
21:47.00TorhalFfffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
21:55.25asmodaifuuuuuuuuuu
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22:05.38Arrowmasternevcairiel: hard to reproduce ace2 error my ass, ive known the exact cause for a long time
22:06.42MysticalOShow would you schedule sendchatmessage in a macro? google is sucking for this information
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22:08.18ShefkiMysticalOS: /in
22:08.25MysticalOSthat i know about
22:08.30MysticalOSbut you can't use /in inside of /run
22:08.40Shefki<PROTECTED>
22:08.44MysticalOSanti spam macro
22:09.04MysticalOS<PROTECTED>
22:09.21ShefkiOr I should say /in 5 /run blah blah blah
22:09.29MysticalOSright, that works
22:09.46MysticalOSbut if you mass button, it spams the message in 5 seconds
22:09.55MysticalOSi want to inclue the scheduled chat message in the anti spam code
22:10.09MysticalOSbut it doesn't except slash commands embedded in lua code
22:10.16MysticalOSmash*
22:12.45Repo10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r236 FriendList/FriendList.lua: Have to account for the offline bar in FriendList module.
22:13.46Yivryquick pitbull question: is there an option to leave gaps?
22:14.05Yivry(in raid groups)
22:15.02ShefkiYivry: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/pages/faq/#w-how-do-i-leave-gaps-in-my-raid-frames-when-sorted-by
22:15.34Yivrymeh damn not the way I wanted >.<
22:16.01Yivrywhy is it possible for party-pets in the right way, but not for raids?
22:16.11Yivry(just curious)
22:16.15ShefkiExplain what you're talking about.
22:16.41Yivrywell, the default party-pets leaves gaps in the right places
22:17.05ShefkiBecause the SecureTemplates supports doing that for pets but not for raids.
22:17.16Yivrysigh stupid blizz
22:17.47ShefkiBasically how pets work is we create a header that is actually for the party and tell it to use the suffix of pet on the unit id.
22:18.20ShefkiSince each person exists in the party it leaves gaps for the pets becuase the templates aren't filtering based on the pet existing but on the player existing.
22:18.33Yivryah
22:18.48ShefkiThere's no way to tell the templates ot leave gaps for missing players in a party when displaying the raid as one big raid frame.
22:19.47ShefkiFortunately, it's really not that hard to setup, once you've made the groups, the layout can be shared so it's not overly burdomsome to configure that way.
22:20.21ShefkiAnd if you setup one of the groups and then make them with the first one configured they'll just be copied as you make new ones.
22:20.27ShefkiSo you'll only have to change the filters.
22:22.14Funkeh`Kaelten,
22:22.19Funkeh`what happened to ssl login
22:22.26Funkeh`for wowace
22:23.37KaeltenFunkeh`: hrm odd
22:24.00Funkeh`the https page jsut forwards to http now
22:24.23Funkeh`thats only changed in the past few hours
22:27.31Kaeltenya... I'm going to try one thing real quikc
22:27.38Kaeltenif it doesn't work I'll have to take a stab at it in the morning
22:29.54TorhalKaelten: Stab, smash, or burn. We care not.
22:30.20KaeltenTorhal: :P
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22:35.30Kaeltenfixed
22:37.43Funkeh`cool, thanks
22:40.26MysticalOSyou know, i really wish blizz would remove the ability to turn lua errors off. i read the bug report forums and just know half the problems are from eople with broken addons taht don't know it casue of their own ignorance of their broken addons
22:40.56MysticalOSthere are people complaining that 3.3.5 avr slows their framerates down. no shit. amount of errors it's spitting out you're hiding :\
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22:49.46jnwhitehAnyone know who Magdain is?
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22:50.21ShefkiNope.
22:50.39Funkeh`should we?
22:50.41Shefki[Ammo]: Need to upload AddonLoader to WoWI
22:51.43Shefkijnwhiteh: If you didn't see my comment on WoWLua, saveas onhide handler needs to be updated for ChatFrameEditBox change.  Honestly, really not sure why that's even there but it is.
22:52.01jnwhitehI saw it, but I don't know what the change is =)
22:52.24ShefkiI couldn't reproduce the reason the code is there, so I couldn't come up with the change.
22:53.15ShefkiAt some point it must have been possible to have the chat edit box up and lose focus to the saveas name box so you needed to hand focus back.  But I could never get the chat edit box to stay up.
22:53.25ShefkiSo it might just be entirely moot at this point.
22:54.22ShefkiIt's possible that 3.3.5 makes it so it just doesn't stay up when it loses focus, but  I don't have a non-patched wow account to test with at this point.
22:54.48Repo10chat-alerts: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.3-1.2.1-16-gc03283f / (5 files in 2 directories): [+16 commits] (12 truncated)
22:55.02Repoc03283f: Only update chat frames which are shown or docked.
22:55.03Repod1b901a: Removed some dead code.
22:55.05Repobadadb1: Fixed some global namespace pollution.
22:55.07Repocf41637: Re-worked tab highlight toggling to actually make sense and not kill resources.
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22:56.57jnwhitehShefki: Hrm okay.
22:57.15Shefkijnwhiteh: Sorry, if I could have had a patch for you I would have. :)
22:57.54jnwhitehOnHide = function() if ( ChatFrameEditBox:IsVisible() ) then ChatFrameEditBox:SetFocus(); end getglobal(this:GetName().."EditBox"):SetText(""); end,
22:57.59Repo10chat-alerts: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.3-1.2.1-17-g21b615a .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] Changed the AddOn name in .pkgmeta
22:57.59jnwhitehWhat happened to ChatFrameEditBox
22:58.01jnwhiteh?
22:58.08ShefkiGone.
22:58.13ShefkiChatFrame#EditBox
22:58.23ShefkiOne editbox per chat frame now.
22:58.24jnwhitehHrm.. why the hash?
22:58.28ShefkiOr one if you're in classic mode.
22:58.33Shefki# = 1-...
22:58.44ShefkiSo for ChatFrame1 there's ChatFrame1EditBox and so on
22:58.58ShefkiYou probably want ChatEdit_GetLastActiveWindow()
22:58.59Torhaljnwhiteh: local edit_box = _G.ChatEdit_ChooseBoxForSend()
22:59.02Torhaljnwhiteh: _G.ChatEdit_ActivateChat(edit_box)
22:59.16TorhalThat grabs the EditBox for the last channel you were talking on
22:59.18ShefkiWhich will return the last active edit box.
22:59.20jnwhitehhrm
22:59.22jnwhitehinteresting.
22:59.29ShefkiTorhal: That's overly complicated.
22:59.34jnwhitehI may just crap that stuff out.
22:59.45TorhalShefki: Oh?
23:00.50ShefkiIf you were using ChatFrameEditBox before you either want: ChatEdit_GetLastActiveWindow() or ChatEdit_GetActiveWindow()
23:01.05Shefkidepending on if you're expecting the edit box to be current up or not.
23:01.32TorhalWell, the Activate is to make it show and have all of its textures come to foreground.
23:01.48TorhalElse it looks shitty when you :Insert()
23:02.19ShefkiIf you're planning to put soemthign in a chat box you probably want:
23:02.28ShefkiChatEdit_OpenChat("")
23:02.35ShefkiChatEdit_GetActiveWindow()
23:02.41ShefkiYes the "" is needed.
23:02.47Repo10chat-alerts: 03Torhal 043.3.5-1.2.2 * da192a9 /: [new tag] Tagging new release, with new name.
23:04.37MysticalOSwow /reloadui is screwed on 3.3.5
23:04.44ShefkiMysticalOS: Not here.
23:04.51ShefkiAnd /reloadui isn't a built in command.
23:04.54MysticalOSany time i do it a whole lot of stuff errors out
23:05.08ShefkiThat's not reloadui broken, that's addons broken.
23:05.51MysticalOSi mean stuff erroring out on reload that doesn't error out on a normal login. nor that errored on 3.3.3 for reloadui. that's still addons?
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23:06.00MysticalOSmostly it was just addons bitching about missing dependencies on reload
23:06.40ShefkiYes, that just means addons are broken.
23:06.54ShefkiIt's not blizzard's fault people have screwed up load order issues that only show up on reloadui.
23:11.40jnwhitehXMLBrowser updated with 3.3.5: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser
23:12.02Repo10chat-alerts: 03Torhal 043.3.5-1.2.3 * 47d614c /: [new tag] Tagging new release to bring in new localizations.
23:12.52Funkeh`jnwhiteh, thanks
23:13.30Funkeh`jnwhiteh, there's 4 blank lines under autocomplete.xml
23:13.36jnwhitehhrm.
23:13.48jnwhitehso there are =)
23:14.07AdirelleShefki, how could addons bitch about missing dependency on reloadui but not on normal login ?
23:14.17ShefkiAdirelle: Load order.
23:14.28Funkeh`and under helpframe.xml assumably because they are all newly added
23:14.32Adirelleisn't it supposed to be the same ?
23:15.29ShefkiAdirelle: Not necessarily because the events aren't fired the same way for a login vs a reloadui
23:15.49Adirelleah ok, that's more an issue of events
23:15.56Adirellethat makes sense
23:15.59ShefkiMore than likely the issue is that he has some addons with messed up libs.
23:16.02ShefkiAnd some without.
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23:16.26jnwhitehFunkeh`: fixed, thank you!
23:16.27jnwhitehhttp://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser
23:16.30ShefkiAnd in the login case it causes the fixed libs to be loaded before the messed up ones ever load.
23:16.48ShefkiAnd in the reloadui case the broken ones load first before the fixed libs load, thus you see the errors.
23:18.53Tullercurseforge does not like my ssh keys :P
23:19.17Ac-townTuller: how did you make the ssh keys?
23:19.36Tullerssh-keygen  on my mac
23:20.38MysticalOSi just need to make more libs external then, i only have ace2 ace3 and babble libs stand alone ( so they are always up to date with latest alpha vs outdated embeds)
23:21.59Ac-townI hate included libs
23:22.13Ac-towneven more so if the libs are loaded twice
23:22.51MysticalOSonly one will be loaded, usually newest version except on reloadui i guess.
23:23.14Tulleractually, it just seems to hate me regardless
23:23.22Repo10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r237 FriendList/FriendList.lua:
23:23.24RepoFix FriendList to know to skip offline RealID and properly deal with the online/offline separator.
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23:23.38Adirellethe issue with external libs is that some addons don't support them well
23:24.28Adirelleon wowace, at some point the author has either to forbid nolib creation or to add the proper optional deps header
23:24.59Adirelleif (s)he does neither, the addon won't work in nolib setting
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23:27.07Funkeh`where tdid they hide the timestamp stuff
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23:30.32CypriasInterface > Socal
23:32.29Tullerlooks like I can ssh into wowace, but not curseforge, hrm
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23:32.52Repo10vamp: 03Allara * r101 / (7 files in 2 directories):
23:32.55Repo- Proper pull/wipe/defeat detection and performance optimizations
23:32.56Repo- Improved AddonLoader support
23:33.08Repo10vamp: 03Allara 04r101-beta * r102 : Tagging as r101-beta
23:36.19CypriasIs there any event that fires when boats arrive? Like for zeppelins NPCs yell out they've arrived. Is there any NPC that does the same for alliance?
23:51.27Repo10libhealcomm-4-0: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.6.5-2-g202a9d3 LibHealComm-4.0.lua: [+1 commit] Incoming heals are now ignored if the healer is currently mind controlled.
23:53.26NivI love how spammy druid sourced libhealcomm is

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