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00:22.48MysticalOSmm, safari 5 goodness :)
00:24.05NivFreakscrew safari, give me my iOS4 GM seed
00:24.15NivFreak"Later today"
00:24.46ShefkiMysticalOS: Safari5 available now?
00:24.52MysticalOSyep
00:24.58MysticalOSvery nice too
00:25.09NivFreakI'll probably play with it again
00:25.10ShefkiThere, Software Update finally finished, took forever to look for updates.  Apple must be getting hit hard.
00:25.14MysticalOSthey returned the address bar back to blue progress instead of spinning circle
00:25.17NivFreakchrome is being a PoS
00:25.52MysticalOSsafari + http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/ = your friend :)
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00:27.15MysticalOShmm extentions aren't enabled by default, guess to keep the average end user safe.
00:27.30MysticalOShas to be enabled in the develop menu
00:29.03MysticalOSlol safari 4.1 for 10.4, not good enough for 5 i guess.
00:29.06arkanesdoes click2flash work with safari 5?
00:29.14MysticalOSyeah
00:29.28MysticalOSfirst thing i checked
00:29.56PrimerPeople use safari?
00:31.18MysticalOSi use safari except when i get to a dumb webpage that's writen to require IE active x, bastards
00:31.22ShefkiI never have really liked Safari.
00:31.42ShefkiI mostly use Chrome now.
00:31.43MysticalOSsafari was always lacking in features. but i never liked the other webkit based browsers
00:32.11Shefki"Bing Search Option"
00:32.15ShefkiSeriously, who cares.
00:32.30MysticalOSheh i just wanna see what people do with safari extentions, been the biggest shortcoming of safari for so long
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00:32.33ShefkiIs there seriously anyone out there that wants to use Bing as their default except Microsoft employees that are probably told they have ot.
00:32.48NivFreakfirefox has gotten to be a bit of a pig, chrome has lots of stability/render issues for me
00:32.49MysticalOSwe all know it's only there to mess with google
00:33.15ShefkiBing is only good if you're too stupid to know how to use Google.
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00:36.18NivFreakhoray, the GM seed is up now too
00:36.32kagaronice, time to login and start downloading
00:37.36NivFreaknice
00:37.41NivFreakserver can't be found with some of the images
00:38.05kagaroyou got a dev license niv?
00:38.40MysticalOSi get feeling i'm gonna be deleting music off iphone to make room for the size increase of ios4
00:38.42NivFreakkagaro: ya
00:38.59kagaroim gona start my download once raid is done
00:39.10MysticalOSlooks like itunes 9.2 beta for installing ios 4
00:39.34NivFreakyea
00:39.44NivFreakwhich is good, because beta 4 wouldn't install with 9.1 one for me
00:41.03MysticalOStime to start deleting my 3 star music i just know 300MB free space is not gonna be enough
00:42.41NivFreakI only sync a portion of my music
00:45.06MysticalOSsame, but i gotta reduce that portion, i only have a 16G phone
00:46.04NivFreakah, yea I have a 32G
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00:48.04MysticalOS16g was highest when i got mine, it's 2nd gen, so no multi tasking on OS 4 :\
00:48.15NivFreakah
00:48.16NivFreakouch
00:48.31NivFreakI'll pick up a new one on release day, my wife can have my 3GS
00:49.05MysticalOSha
00:49.18NivFreakshe has my old 3G
00:49.26MysticalOS"i love you so much you get my hand me down"
00:49.51Shefkilol "AddOns aren't software because they aren't compiled"
00:50.07ShefkiWhat a ludicriously narrow definition of software.
00:50.19ShefkiAnd the best part is that Lua IS compiled.
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01:07.56arkanesboo-hiss at browser detection that fails at safari 5
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01:12.20Arrowmaster<arkanes> boo-hiss at browser detection
01:12.21Arrowmasterfixed
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01:30.10MysticalOSmy slow connection fails, like 45min to download 350 megs :(
01:30.54MysticalOSiphone os 4 is only about 300MB +itunes 9.2about 60M
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01:54.00MysticalOS:o freenode spam
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02:08.56HjalteFREE Remote Auction House app on Android™ Market*
02:09.03AntiarcOfficial?
02:09.05Hjalte*accessible via your Android device
02:09.07HjalteYes
02:09.11Hjaltehttp://www.wowarmory.com/wow-remote.xml
02:09.12AntiarcNice, grabbing that now
02:09.29HjalteNot sure it's up yet, but that's what the website says
02:09.41AntiarcI'm installing it now
02:11.11AntiarcHahahah
02:11.15AntiarcIt makes the AH "ding" when you open it
02:11.55AntiarcThis is a very nice app.
02:11.56AntiarcVery fast.
02:13.20pompyIf someone gets a piece of loot in the raid (a normal way), and then ninja logs, could the raid leader like petition a gm and have him strip the gear that that one guy got, away from him?
02:13.23Primeris this supposed to be available via the android market?
02:13.37AntiarcPrimer: It is, I searched for "remote", first hit
02:13.44Primeroh, there it is!
02:13.48PrimerI just had to scroll down more
02:14.06Antiarcpompy: GMs won't fix ninjas unless the ML ninjaed something after giving people a chance to roll or whatnot
02:14.16PrimerI just wonder how well google filters for scam apps
02:14.18AntiarcIf it was just group loot, sorry, better luck next time, set it on ML
02:14.37AntiarcPrimer: They don't, they rely on the community to do so, but apps are signed with a developer's public key before being distributed
02:15.01Primerwell, this one belongs to "Blizzard Entertainment, Inc."
02:15.15Primerwould just hate to login to the game to see all my toons deleted...
02:15.19Primerall because of this
02:15.43AntiarcClick the dev name, you'll see their other apps
02:15.48AntiarcThe only other app is their authenticator app :)
02:17.16PrimerSome idiot posted to my addon page saying that if there was Localization, he'd translate to French...
02:17.34Primerguess some people presume that if localization isn't setup via wowace, it doesn't exist...
02:19.26Groktarso i'm going to have dishnetowrk at my new apartment
02:19.41Groktaridk if comcast will have issues with cable because of that
02:19.53Groktarsince dishnetwork might use existing lines
02:20.15Groktarso i have dishnetwork coming on the 12th, comcast on the 15th, and then uverse on the 16th in case comcast can't do their thing
02:33.07Funkeh`Antiarc, you know hudmap is printing "hud" to chat at load right? :)
02:33.17AntiarcYup, just about to fix that.
02:33.25Funkeh`okay
02:33.33Funkeh`im just trying it out and noticed that
02:34.02Funkeh`why do some of the symbols randomly spin on a 360 axis over and over?
02:34.58Funkeh`makes me feel a bit sick :P
02:36.39AntiarcThat's a bug, too. frame:StopAnimating() seems to not do anything sometimes.
02:37.04Antiarc(The blizzard animation system is very robust!)
02:37.04Repo10hudmap: 03Antiarc 07master * v1.1.4-26-gb2a48de / (5 files in 4 directories): [+2 commits]
02:37.07Repob2a48de: Use a more accurate method to getthe dungeon size
02:37.19Repo31e139e: Jaraxxus fix, add option to toggle all malleable goo spots when Putricide casts Goo on 25-man
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02:40.50kagaroAntiarc:  my new libmapdata has all the dungeon sizes in it with a simple api to get the size
02:41.01AntiarcIs that from the MPQs?
02:41.05kagaroyes
02:41.10AntiarcI'll probably pull that, rather than handling it myself then
02:41.15AntiarcOne less thing to maintain!
02:41.23kagaroand it handle the dunegon floors as well
02:41.37AntiarcManages Ulduar/Stratholme/Lich King's platform?
02:41.43kagaroyes
02:41.54MysticalOSdoesn't lich kings plateform still fail once you transitoin?
02:42.26kagarothe size doesnt change, but you lose x,y during the transitions i think
02:42.56MysticalOSyou lose x,y any time the ice isn't there, which means it doesn't work during phase 2 and phase 3
02:42.56AntiarcWhy do you include LibStub with it?
02:43.02MysticalOSso defile is useless
02:43.15kagaroi thought i marked it as an optdep
02:43.15MysticalOSit'd work in phase 1, and transitions only
02:43.23AntiarcIt's packaged in the zip
02:43.34kagaropul it as an external
02:43.38AntiarcAh, okay
02:43.40kagaroin the package manager
02:44.43AntiarcIt includes the TOC, too, dunno if that's intentional
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02:45.13AntiarcI usually structure libs as /x.TOC, /x/lib.lua, so I can embed svn://repo/x and just get the lib file
02:47.48AntiarcWould be super handy if you provided callbacks I could register for, too
02:48.05kagaromake a ticket on what callbacks you need
02:48.10AntiarcSo I could just register for a MapDataChanged callback or something, rather than having to do all my own ZONE_CHANGED handling, etc
02:48.11AntiarcWill do
02:48.13kagaroand ill add them in
02:48.40kagaroi put an api page up as well
02:49.01AntiarcSomething to watch out for
02:49.23AntiarcGetPlayerMapPosition and GetMapInfo don't return the right data if the current world map zone isn't the zone you're in
02:49.30AntiarcIt's a bucket of trouble
02:49.32kagaroyeah i know
02:49.35Antiarckk
02:49.55kagaroas of right now, it was dependant on the calling mod to setup the zoom properly and pass the correct mapfile or currentAreaId in
02:50.24kagaroadding in callbacks i need to handle those
02:51.09kagaroi even added in ruby sanctum data into the dataset fromt he PTR mpq files
02:54.02AntiarcWhat'd be awesome is if it were to handle all the zone change events itself, and then fire callbacks when they happen
02:54.14kagaroya i could do that
02:54.24AntiarcSo I don't even have to bother with all those shenanigans, I jus request coords once on startup, and then register a callback for when they update
02:54.26kagaroill put it on my list for tommarrow
02:54.28AntiarcI'll spec it out once I have a bit
02:54.30AntiarcRaid's starting
02:54.37kagarok
02:54.44kagaroyeah mine just finished, im off to bed
02:55.18AntiarcI like what I see though
02:55.50kagaroi need to convert over gathermate for it, so 1 less spot to mess with when new data arrives
02:56.35MysticalOSold world is gonna be fun for gathermate, i hope wowhead purges all the nodes so you don't have to try and filter them
02:56.40MysticalOSin cata
02:56.42kagaroyeah really
02:56.50MysticalOSEPL is bad enough
02:56.55MysticalOSfull of invalid nodes on wowhead
02:56.56kagarothey reset the db once wrath came out i thought
02:57.00kagaroguess not
02:57.25kagaroi need to figure out a good exclusion method for my ruby generator script to ignore those nodes
02:57.31kagarojust didnt get around to it
02:58.42kagarowowdb just stopped getting updated period
02:59.16TorhalCurse sites launch with a bunch of fanfaire and then almost immediately die due to neglect
02:59.41kagarotbh wowdb was easier to process the data
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03:07.25MysticalOSi have someone testing my 5 pass scan trap thing right now. looks like it may need more tweaks :( maybe .01 .03 .05 .07 .1
03:07.46MysticalOSsucks that my guild didn't even pull HLK this week do to attendance :(
03:07.52MysticalOSsummer bites
03:07.56kagaroyes it does
03:08.15kagarowe had to have on of our dps spec prot tonight to even get tries in
03:08.32kagaronot that it was a good choice
03:09.29Primerfigured there'd be more people during the summer
03:09.53Funkeh`Antiarc, you can use SetMapToCurrentZone() to force the map to update fyi
03:10.11MysticalOSlol my guild has 2 warrior main tanks, we have a DK go tank and me go dps, since blizz kinda screwed over warriors for LK tanking
03:11.05MysticalOSdon't have 80K hp like the druids, or AD/will of necro to make 65k work better for you. warriors just get insta gibbed if you even take a 13k melee swing and soulreaper at same time :(
03:11.31Funkeh`patience my young padawan, it will all tunr out ok
03:11.38Funkeh`turn*
03:11.41PrimerI still haven't downed LK in 10 man normal :/
03:12.03MysticalOSyeah, 30% buff to even survive without 8 people rolling CDs on ya? heh
03:12.49AntiarcFunkeh`: Yeah, I know, it's just sort of a mess to work out all the various conditions
03:12.51PrimerI tanked the adds for a few attempts last night
03:12.58MysticalOSwarriors are pro add tanks
03:13.02Funkeh`i bet :/
03:13.05MysticalOSso are paladins, DK and druid really the best for LK himself
03:13.05PrimerI did my job...but others didn't do theirs
03:13.16MysticalOShe just ass fucks a warrior
03:14.26Funkeh`Arthas, queen of the undead
03:15.56AntiarcMysticalOS: We use a warrior tank in 25, paladin tank in 10
03:16.06Primervery odd that one of my addons has generated my exactly 0 developer points...and two of my deprecated addons still generate points for me
03:16.19Primers/my/me/
03:16.26Primerhehe pirate!
03:16.31Funkeh`http://www.wowace.com/addons/bad-boy/tickets/13-badboy-wont-leave/
03:16.34Funkeh`<PROTECTED>
03:16.55AntiarcROFL
03:16.58AntiarcAmazing.
03:17.32Funkeh`indeed
03:19.08MysticalOSfinally got ios 4.0 installed
03:19.42Primercisco ios...?
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03:19.47Funkeh`iphone
03:20.11PrimerDoes apple actually call it that?
03:20.16MysticalOSthey do now
03:20.34Funkeh`It's probably iOS
03:21.43Funkeh`As much as I'd love an iPhone, I hate the amount of bloat you need to install, such as bonjour
03:21.50ShefkiIncoming Cisco lawsuit.
03:21.51Funkeh`I'm more eager to try Symbian 3 actually
03:21.53Primeroui
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03:22.51MysticalOSFunky, I installed badboy, but my ex can still whisper me, why? should i create a ticket? ;)
03:23.24Funkeh`Yes, name it "ex won't leave" and inject it into brain 1.0
03:23.40Funkeh`"I've tried to remove her but still there"
03:24.00Funkeh`Try elevated priviledges
03:24.56Funkeh`I wonder how many kids will be heartbroken when the girls they e-stalk won't accept their bnet invitation
03:25.16PrimerI suppose I should setup localization via wowace for my projects...
03:25.28Primerguess that'd make it easier for people to translate
03:25.29NechcknYou do mean "girls", right, Funkeh`?
03:25.32Funkeh`"Do I want this guy tracking me no matter what alt or game I'm on hmmm.."
03:25.33MysticalOSi'll just be glad i can slim down list, those friends who have like 10 alts and all
03:25.44MysticalOSreplacing 10 with one bnet realid will be nice
03:25.56Funkeh`My girlfriend has 3 accounts...
03:26.03Funkeh`like, practically all full
03:26.16Funkeh`my friendlist is 90% he fucking alts
03:26.20Funkeh`h
03:26.36Funkeh`So hopefully I can remove them all and just have the bnet account
03:26.43Funkeh`or 3, probably
03:26.46BrybryFunkeh` is obviously dating a gold farmer
03:27.02MysticalOSbry where do you think he gets all the new whisprs from?
03:27.10Funkeh`she was a tripple boxer when I met her haha
03:27.13Brybrygood point
03:27.26Funkeh`lol MysticalOS
03:27.42Funkeh`The secret to keeping a healthy spam database!
03:28.01TorhalPrimer: Your old and deprecated AddOns still have a decent premium CC install-base, apparently.
03:28.10TorhalHell, Threat-2.0 still gets points.
03:28.23TorhalThat lib was deprecated and obsoleted by Wrath
03:28.42MysticalOSgotta factor in private servers running 2.4.3
03:29.13MysticalOSi still get boss mod requests to fix bugs in depreciated BC boss mods writen for wow 2.x
03:29.49MysticalOSsigh, now i gotta wait for 13 gigs of music to sync
03:30.04WobWorkPrimer: I'm still generating developer points for stuff I haven't updated in over a year
03:30.12Funkeh`fun
03:30.32Funkeh`These days I mainly listen to music when I'm at the PC so spotify is win
03:30.39StarinniaI'm half way through 50 GB of music atm
03:31.20MysticalOSipod 64?
03:31.21Funkeh`I still have my 32gb music usb drive but I've "deprecated" it
03:32.01AntiarcThreat-2.0 still getting points amuses me
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03:44.22MysticalOSyay jaraxxus fix, no more HUGE screen covering raid icon :)
03:44.34Repo10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r533 / (2 files in 1 directory): blacklist update
03:44.46Funkeh`she just woke up and gave me that one
03:45.04Funkeh`and what?
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03:45.51MysticalOSi was talking to antiarc for that one. was an amusing bug :)
03:46.06Funkeh`ah
03:46.43Funkeh`Antiarc, are you nabbing main tanks from the blizz MT list? I think I saw a MA listed as a MT
03:48.06Funkeh`As in we had a fury warrior on the blizz MA list and he was a shield in hudmap
03:49.42Repo10bad-boy: 03funkydude 04v4.3.0.3 * r534 : Tagging as v4.3.0.3
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04:27.43Funkeh`if you know what I mean Antiarc ;)
04:39.58MysticalOSi'm about to just remove shadow trap stuff completely. no matter what i do i just can't get accuracy acceptable enough. i'd rathor have no support for shadow traps than a boss mod tell you it's on wrong person. that causes more wipes than not getting a warning at all :(
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04:46.20Shirikyall and your technology
04:46.29Shirikback in my day we had this thing called "ventrilo"
04:46.38Shirikand we actually communicated important details over it
04:46.39AntiarcVent's too laggy!
04:46.44Antiarc500ms audio buffer + latency
04:46.46ShirikOMG 30 MILLISECONDS
04:46.57Antiarc30ms ping on both ends means 560ms end-to-end
04:47.11AntiarcWell, no, that's not true
04:47.14AntiarcIt's 1060ms
04:47.24AntiarcNo, wait, 560
04:51.36Antiarc200ms ping on both ends is nearly a full second of latency which isn't enough for defile, etc :P
04:53.06MysticalOSi just wish blizz would announce the target, i'd be happy with a raid boss emote big yellow text warning. would fix so many problems, for defile and shadow trap
04:54.14MysticalOShonestly i don't even think lich king would be killable without a boss mod detecting defile there is no whisper, emote, or even graphical warning at all when it's cast on someone. if it weren't for target scanning you wouldn'te ven know it was on you until you were standing in it.
05:00.05Aens|Superioritythere is a cast bar
05:00.09Aens|Superioritythats your cue to move
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05:13.55AntiarcPicks target, 2 sec cast, defile dropped
05:27.16NivFreakMysticalOS: we find that the best way to deal with defile is still to /focus LK and watch the target switch
05:27.52NivFreakit's nice to have timers to queue you to watch though :
05:27.54NivFreak:)
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05:30.51MysticalOSwell defile is none issue really anyways. I more or less hate how fast the target switch is for shadow trap being a .5 second cast
05:31.10MysticalOSgrabbing right target takes such precise timing. I think i may FINALLY have it
05:31.33MysticalOSa CPU wasting 10 pass scan
05:31.37NivFreakfor defile I had to watch for the cast event, and then wait for a target update
05:32.17MysticalOSi know unit_target is a better way of doing it. But when you don't get event unless he is on target/focus, i still wanted a better method for healers.
05:32.42NivFreakyea, i keep him /focus'd ;)
05:33.25MysticalOSi have someone testing my cpu wasting hack right now, he says it's finally working after 8 commits of screwing with it, poor guinee pig
05:34.44MysticalOSscan for active tank using SWING_DAMAGE and SWIMG_MISS, store tank, when he casts shadow trap, scan his target 10 times, if it returns any target that's not tank, cancel scans and post it. if out of 10 scans you could get nothing but tank, then assume it has to be right.
05:35.25MysticalOSit's stupidly inefficent but it doesn't require focus and that's what i wanted
05:37.26NivFreakwell why not just scan for someone targeting LK, and wait for a ToT update?
05:37.35NivFreakand skip the tank detection
05:37.44NivFreakI target other shit a lot on that fight, but to be fair not much in p1
05:38.29MysticalOSheh thinka bout the pooor disc priest
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05:39.01NivFreak?
05:39.25MysticalOSyour comment about not targeting much in phase 1 :P
05:39.49NivFreakI sure hope your disc priest isn't retargetting to bubble :P
05:40.06MysticalOSnot targeting, just mad clicking i'm sure
05:40.29MysticalOSi imagine a lot of tunnel vision with that. i don't envy that job
05:41.11NivFreaklike most healing :P
05:41.24MysticalOSi have several chars, none are a healer
05:41.29MysticalOSit will stay this way
05:41.43NivFreakhealing is fun, you just have to get past the bar trance you get early on
05:42.13MysticalOSi like tanking, cause of how efficent it is when you aren't raiding
05:42.41MysticalOSlike 80 to 85, my tank is gonna solo probably every group quest up to 85 in top tier tank gear i'm sure
05:42.56MysticalOSi doubt a healer or dps will do that really, cept maybe a paladin cause they are just OP regardless of what they are heh
05:43.14NivFreakI've leveled prot since TBC hit
05:43.21NivFreakTBC was painful as shit
05:43.34NivFreakwrath was better prot than fury
05:43.50NivFreakI'm sure I'll level in cata as prot again
05:43.51MysticalOSwell prot in TBC had utter crap for damage and efficenty
05:43.55MysticalOSyou just coudln't kill anything
05:44.01MysticalOSwraith was definitely an improvement
05:44.18NivFreakI used to do netherwing dailies as prot
05:44.27NivFreakand even post devastate buff, it was painful
05:44.54MysticalOSi did those arms, and rapid respawns did kill me more than i liked when they happened at a bad time
05:45.11MysticalOSi eventually did get a daily partner to smooth that annoyance out
05:46.30Nechckn80-85 they really should have tuned "group" quests to at least 3, just to cut down on the ultra fast maxing of 2 and 3 - then move the bar down after a few months.
05:47.21MysticalOSquesting is gonna be tuned for people in ilvl 200
05:47.34MysticalOSso eroic 277 is gonna stomp them
05:47.36MysticalOSheroic*
05:48.00MysticalOSthe ilvl inflation will make it more of a joke than wraith levleing was i'm sure
05:48.45MysticalOSwraith was tuned around dungeon blue/maybe a kara epic when starting in northrend leveling, ilvl 110ish, T9 gear only put you 30-40 ivlls aboev that, vs the 77 ilvls you will be above blues this time
05:48.58MysticalOST6*
05:49.02Nechcknwhich is sad, imnsho... is that not like half of the point of an expansion, to make the leveling somewhat rewarding, rather than insta-max level... Realize much of the focus is on the lowbie areas, but still.
05:49.22NivFreakmeh
05:49.25NivFreakleveling is for alts
05:49.31MysticalOSyeah, but it's a no win situation, they can't tune it for your epics and have casuals get raped
05:49.57NivFreakthey just have to inflate combat ratings quickly
05:50.10Arrowmasterilvl 169 or 174 was the max in TBC right? and those were only main hand weapons
05:50.24MysticalOSi know sunwell gear was 159
05:50.27NechcknBut for the actual group quests ala vanilla, where you really needed at least 2 to complete a few here and there, I thought that was interesting, at least.
05:50.47MysticalOSwas there anything above 159 besides bow?
05:51.07NivFreakI'm trying to remember what my KJ mace was on my priest
05:51.13NivFreakI thought it was 154, but not sure
05:51.31Arrowmasterthe weapons where the highest i remember that
05:51.54MysticalOSk he had 164 ilvl stuff
05:52.18MysticalOSi don't see anything over 164
05:52.19NivFreak164
05:52.25NivFreakyea
05:52.29MysticalOSeven thor was 164
05:52.37NivFreakbut legendary
05:52.49MysticalOSyeah, so statwise 177 epic
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05:54.32MysticalOSkara was 110-115, so the ilvl inflation only went up about 50, really 40 if they didn't have to make a 2.4 content patch from delays in first place..13ilvl was the usual tier increase. heroic messed that up
05:54.35MysticalOSbut cata will fix it
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06:00.33ShefkiMysticalOS: And bring a whole new sset of stupid things.
06:01.19ShefkiAfter 100 expansions maybe they'll know all the stupid things they shouldn't do.
06:01.41MysticalOSsomeone is always going to be unhappy. that war can never be won
06:02.12starlonAnyone know if Blizz is giving addon developers beta keys this round?
06:02.23ShefkiProbably.
06:02.39starlonnods.
06:02.39starlonk
06:02.54ShefkiReally no reason for them not to.
06:03.01starlonYeah
06:04.52MysticalOSi know my GM already submited his little essay
06:05.01starlonheh
06:05.10starlonOur guild was discussing that tonight.
06:05.22starlonI didn't even know beta was out.
06:05.46ShefkiIt isn't.
06:05.48MysticalOSits not, yet, but it think it'll start soon.
06:06.03starlonSomeone was saying he's on it.
06:06.08MysticalOSwhen it's out mmo will unlock all their crap they had to hide
06:06.13ShefkiThey might be on F&F Alpha.
06:06.19ShefkiBut they're probably lying to you.
06:06.21starlonHe said beta.
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06:06.32starlonMaybe he doesn't know the difference between alpha and beta.
06:06.50starlonHe said he got the key from a friend who works for Blizz.
06:06.57ShefkiThat's the Alpha.
06:07.01starlonk
06:07.05MysticalOSprobably not. "beta" to some just means try before it's out. the actual stage concept is beyond them
06:07.13ShefkiFor what it's worth it says beta on the battle.net site if you're in the alpha.
06:07.14starlonnods.
06:07.19starlonThat's probly it.
06:07.20ShefkiThey didn't bother to make an Alpha graphic for it.
06:07.32starlonheh funny
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06:26.46NivFreakShefki: it's called F&F beta by blizzard
06:27.01NivFreak(this time)
06:27.17NivFreakbut certainly the quality is alpha
06:27.20starlonF&F?
06:27.45starlonfairy fire?
06:27.51NivFreakfriends and family
06:27.54starlonah
06:27.59NivFreakdirect invites to people, no keys involved
06:28.05starlonk
06:28.09starlonmakes sense
06:28.16NivFreakI'd imagine beta is starting very soon
06:28.34NivFreakSC2 is done, 3.3.5 should be live soon
06:28.37starlonI figured it would start shortly after the next content release. They're still planning that right?
06:28.54NivFreakthey have a press event this week for cata iirc too
06:30.33NivFreakhrmm
06:30.37NivFreaklooks like it's next monday
06:30.41NivFreakI thought it was the 9th
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06:47.19steevrofl
06:47.27steevi just got a terrible phish email
06:47.51steevYou logined your account successfully at 3:14 on May 30th form the 203.99.116.* IP range. According to the report of many players, we found that the account published spam information in the game which harassed other users seriously.
06:48.16steevseriously? logined?
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07:07.53Primeryou got hacked, steev?
07:08.27Torhal<PROTECTED>
07:10.18Primeroh, email
07:10.24Primerwtf, I get like 5-6 of those daily
07:10.38PrimerI blame curse.com
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07:12.50PrimerI don't actually see them, as they end up in the spam folder
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08:08.24jnwhitehDid anyone here get any tax forms from Curse last year as a result of redeeming over 12000 rewards points? I'm trying to figure out which form gets sent and how the money that's listed on it is classed. If you have any ideas, please let me know =)
08:09.36PrimerI wish
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08:16.21Elkanojnwhiteh, as us citicen?
08:20.25jnwhitehElkano: I am a US citizen, yes.
08:20.35jnwhitehbut I don't like in the U.S. but that's not relevant :P
08:20.49Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.5.0 / (5 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits]
08:20.50Repo2660e7a: - Preparations for 2.5.0 release
08:20.55Repof88961b: - Added locale to debug reports
08:20.57Repo4bad1a3: - Probably fixed a rare error when MUFs are disabled
08:21.03Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 042.5.0 * 4732aa6 /: [new tag] Tagging as 2.5.0
08:21.29ElkanoI wonder who else has similar point gain... those I know of are non-us
08:21.58jnwhitehAntiarc is the only one I thought of
08:22.02jnwhitehthat and ckknight
08:22.09Arrowmaster*cough*
08:22.17jnwhitehbut I'm not sure if he participates, given that he works for them
08:22.51krkalive in or like it in?
08:23.10Arrowmasterbut i didnt redeem enough last yeah although i certainly was over the limit on dec 31st
08:23.20Arrowmasters/yeah/year/
08:23.51AntiarcHm?
08:24.04jnwhitehyeah, the way it landed for me is I didn't redeem 10k until after the 1st of the year, and I've got another 15k sitting there.
08:24.23Arrowmasterwow you dont get that much points
08:24.27jnwhitehMy tax situation is a bit.. odd.. so I'm just trying to figure out how if/how/why they report the income
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08:25.49jnwhitehI basically need to know if I need to pay the 15% self-employment tax on it
08:25.55jnwhitehand that depends on how it's classed
08:26.01jnwhitehbut I suppose I can sort that all out later.
08:26.06jnwhitehI'm off to the office, bai!
08:26.20Arrowmasteri thought it was considered a 'gift' or 'prize'
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08:26.50jnwhitehby definition it should be some sort of royalty or revenue, but that depends on what their tax laywers have done =)
08:27.16jnwhitehno worries, I'll poke at Kaelten later and see if he can dig it up for me.
08:27.19jnwhitehthanks!
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08:47.59Shefkickknight does participate in the points.  At least we split points on stuff.  So I'm assuming he's redeming them.
08:48.19jnwhitehk, I'll ask him then.
08:49.21Arrowmasteryeah if hes not redeeming them i would be angry that hes not giving me a bigger cut
08:49.33jnwhitehhehe
08:50.00ArrowmasterSON OF A BITCH
08:50.16Arrowmasterthe fucker has 318098 fucking points
08:50.38jnwhitehthat's 15k USD
08:50.51Arrowmasterlua> 318098/10000*500
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08:50.52lua_botArrowmaster: 15904.9
08:50.58Arrowmaster........
08:51.25jnwhitehI've earned.. 5% of that, if that =)
08:51.34jnwhitehNot that I rely on it at all
08:51.39jnwhitehjust helps when I want to fly home and such
08:51.55Arrowmasterive earned 64663 i think
08:54.21jnwhitehI can't even estimate how much LightHeaded would earn me daily
08:54.29jnwhitehI'm not sure what kind of an installbase it could be compared to
08:57.11jnwhitehwell if he wants to get rid of it, I'm happy to provide sexual favours in 'reward'
08:57.43krkaO_o
08:59.11Arrowmasteryou dont want to know how much self restraint it is taking to keep for going and editing the points distributions on a few projects right now
09:01.43jnwhitehheh
09:01.44Arrowmasteris depressed about finally graduating yet still being unemployed, and having no possible job prospects, and also the realization of getting older due to upcoming birthday
09:01.52jnwhitehno, I understand =(
09:01.58jnwhitehI've definitely been there.
09:04.02Arrowmasteryouve been two days away from turning 24 after finally getting an associate degree (hopefully, grades still not posted) while having absolutely no idea where to find a job at that you could actually stand to work at without ending up doing something that would get you sued or arrested?
09:04.27jnwhitehnot precisely, but yes, I have.
09:04.33jnwhiteh*hugs*
09:06.58Arrowmasterhates birthdays
09:08.39Arrowmasteralso hates NewYears for the same reason
09:09.14Arrowmasterhates getting subjected to them every 6 months
09:09.47DJJeffwhats your reason?
09:14.53Arrowmasteri hate being reminded im getting older
09:15.43krkayou're younger than me, and you probably always will be!
09:17.55Arrowmasteryou miss the point
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09:30.16[Ammo]jnwhiteh: I sent in my W-8BEN (dutch here)
09:30.22[Ammo]for redeeming over 12k points
09:30.24jnwhiteh[Ammo]: *nod*
09:30.38[Ammo]and my accountant handles the rest :)
09:30.41Primerdammit, I want 12k points
09:30.42jnwhitehI need to know if any US citizens GOT a 1099-MISC or anything from the IRS/Curse.
09:30.51[Ammo]ah ok
09:31.20[Ammo]I just told my accountant, hey these guys want me to send in this form, can you handle whatever fallout comes my way  :p
09:31.40[Ammo]so far it's all peachy
09:31.46jnwhitehwell you're not a U.S. Citizen
09:31.50jnwhitehso it won't matter in the least
09:31.51[Ammo]and next month I'm buying a car from all the paypal transfers :)
09:32.14[Ammo]not a new one, but not a really old one either
09:32.21Primercurrent points: 1880
09:32.35Primerand one of my addon with downloads doesn't accrue any
09:32.37Arrowmastergoes back to plotting to steal ckknights 318098 points
09:33.27[Ammo]I've earned 77481
09:34.13[Ammo]finally killed the bloody LK last week, and this week 7/12 HC modes done
09:34.14Primernice
09:34.24[Ammo]wondering why the fuck we were stuck on LK so long
09:35.11Stan_have fun being stuck on hardmode lk then :p
09:35.55[Ammo]yeah
09:36.01[Ammo]we'll do the other hardmodes first
09:36.05[Ammo]oneshot BQL hardmode
09:36.07[Ammo]first ever attempt
09:36.29[Ammo]VDW took 3 wipes due to some healers in th eportal being greedy
09:37.12Stan_the only annoying hardmodes are prof and sindra :/
09:37.39Stan_I so hate sindragosa
09:37.42Stan_as a caster
09:37.48[Ammo]we still need to do euhm, deathwhisper, saurfang, prof, sindra, LK
09:38.28Stan_first two are not that hard anymore with the 20% buff
09:38.45[Ammo]I think we didn't do too many attempts on em just boosted them normal to unlock the other hardmodes
09:38.49[Ammo]for this week
09:38.53[Ammo]they will go down tomorrow
09:39.20[Ammo]we only have 2-3 nights of raiding so need to get as many done as p0ossible
09:40.41Stan_ah :)
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10:14.11[Ammo]anyone know if UNIT_AURA fires for the boss1 unit?
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12:43.58kagaro|sleepingjnwhiteh:  you get a normal tax form, as If you were a contractor to curse I think it was a W9
12:44.10jnwhiteha W9 is what you send them =)
12:44.18jnwhitehI need to know which form it is specifically and how the money is classed :p
12:44.24kagaro|sleepinger 1099
12:44.25jnwhitehI suspect its a 1099-Misc
12:44.40kagaro|sleepingyeah it was weird on my taxes as well
12:45.01kagaro|sleepinggimme a min ill go pull the form out of my files
12:45.36jnwhitehthanks, appreciate it
12:47.27kagaro|sleepingyes it is a 1099-misc
12:48.13jnwhitehwhat box is the income classed as?
12:48.26kagaro1 sec .. rofl i left it downstairs
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12:49.56kagarononemployee compensation
12:50.11jnwhitehhrm
12:50.19jnwhitehdont think that requires self-employment tax
12:50.21jnwhitehbut not sure
12:50.45kagarodoyou work as a self-employed contractor now?
12:50.54jnwhitehfor a number of things, yes./
12:51.07jnwhitehI have to pay self-employment tax on the advance from my book, for example
12:51.10jnwhitehthat's 15% off the top
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12:51.43jnwhitehI just need to know how much to hold back so I can take care of it if that's the case, but I should be 100% exempt from income tax on this due to my situation :p
12:51.45kagarobut how is your book income classified? as royalties
12:51.52jnwhitehyes
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12:51.58jnwhitehwhich you have to pay SE tax on
12:52.08jnwhitehNE-contrib should be fine
12:52.17jnwhitehits just income, not for services rendered
12:52.22kagarowhen i did my taxes, it was added to my gross income for taxing pruposes
12:52.27jnwhitehyep
12:52.40jnwhitehwhich means I won't owe a dime on it =)
12:53.00kagaroI did, but after all other adjustments i got money back
12:53.43jnwhitehyeah, I don't pay any taxes because I don't have jobs
12:53.48jnwhitehso I never get anything back
12:53.54kagaromine is gona be so messed up this year
12:53.59jnwhitehthanks for the help,. I really appreciate it
12:54.02jnwhitehmine is always fucked
12:54.12jnwhitehI have to file a 2555 to exempt myself from all foreign earned income
12:54.15jnwhitehwhich means.. get this
12:54.29jnwhitehI have to include it in my overall income, and then put parenthesis around it and magically subtract it.
12:54.32jnwhitehsuch an advanced system =)
12:54.38kagaromy employer went bankrupt in janso last pay i got from them was jan31, then 2 months unemployed, atm i working as a contractor to nasa for 6 months
12:55.04jnwhitehI got screwed hardcore in 2007
12:55.09jnwhitehworked until June
12:55.12jnwhitehgot advance for the book
12:55.23jnwhitehthen got 2 payments of my stipend for graduate school
12:55.31jnwhitehall taxable, pushed me into a super high bracket
12:55.45jnwhitehI got it all back in the end, once I would exclude the stipend.. but I had to be out 2.5k for a year
12:56.29kagaroand right now im workng with my old boss on founding a startup .. so my taxes are gona be so weird
12:56.53jnwhitehhehe
13:01.54sylvanaar_atworkSE tax bites
13:01.58sylvanaar_atworkits painful
13:03.34jnwhitehyep.
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14:45.15Axodiousi'm not keeping up with the latest in mod development these days, has there been a decent replacement for power auras made?
14:47.00Stan_no :(
14:53.39sylvanaar_atworkdid power auras die?
14:54.41Stan_sadly not
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15:09.23Ackisanyone in this chan play star trek online?
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15:10.51sylvanaar_atworkhttp://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=302258#post302258
15:10.58sylvanaar_atworklol
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15:11.24sylvanaar_atworkyou dont need to read the post
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16:53.59Funkeh`fucking steam
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16:59.52pompyFunkeh`: just today or for the past week?  this is the first time ive seen "no connection"
17:00.56Funkeh`today
17:01.08Funkeh`it's up an down like 10 times now
17:07.09pompyFunkeh`: ahh, http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15330454#post15330454
17:07.59pompyapparantely the client update they released yesterday didnt go to well
17:09.20Funkeh`client update has been fine for me
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17:09.31Funkeh`it's hours later the downtime started happening
17:09.40Funkeh`but yeah I read that post
17:09.46Funkeh`brief was quite an understatement
17:09.50Funkeh`^^
17:11.25pompythis is quite fun for CS:S, http://www.wcsazeroth.net/
17:13.26pompyFunkeh`: it just connected me, hopefully it stays
17:13.49pompyspoke too soon
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18:48.54steevseems spiffy enough
18:49.04steevwish i had that when i got my legplates of painful death crafted
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