00:14.07 | orionshock | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/impignore/tickets/22-event-handler-hook-conflict/ |
00:14.08 | orionshock | ... |
00:15.35 | orionshock | ~seen egingell |
00:15.36 | purl | orionshock: i haven't seen 'egingell' |
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01:19.44 | Shefki | orionshock: Why would he be hooking RegisterEvent? |
01:20.37 | orionshock | it's an Ignore More type of addon... |
01:21.01 | orionshock | prolly from the old days too |
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02:48.11 | Torhal | Foo |
02:48.26 | Torhal | orionshock: BTW: He replied to your ticket |
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06:56.44 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.0.0-8-gafa37a3 Database (2 files in 1 directory): [+4 commits] |
06:56.46 | Repo | afa37a3: Added a new custom string |
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06:58.41 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.0.0-9-gc0912a3 Database/PetDatabase.lua: [+1 commit] Oops, it's F_REMOVED not F_RETIRED |
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07:10.30 | Repo | 10smartres2: 03myrroddin * r114 / (2 files in 1 directory): removed: unnecessary code and translation |
07:10.32 | Repo | updated: localization from repository |
07:10.33 | Repo | fixed: toc entry for LibBars (hopefully removing TestAddon folder) |
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11:57.18 | Repo | 10fragile3: 03Dridzt * r4 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Split event processing (performance tweak) |
11:57.45 | Repo | - Create a priority list for role overrides (better handling of role changes after the initial role is set) |
11:57.46 | Repo | - minor version bump in prep for release |
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13:18.40 | Mikk | @describe fragile3 |
13:18.41 | Repo | Mikk: http://www.wowace.com/addons/fragile3/. Fragile3. Aggro Warning System for Parties and Raids. |
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15:56.48 | Repo | 10grid-status-party: 03kunda * r38 / (7 files in 2 directories): fix & localization update |
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16:49.06 | steev | <3 Miley |
16:49.40 | Primer | eh? |
16:51.10 | steev | dunno |
16:51.18 | steev | some guild on this pvp server |
16:51.30 | steev | they keep advertising for recruiting |
16:51.36 | steev | one of the requirements is to <3 Miley |
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16:58.10 | steev | http://i.imgur.com/ev4aQ.jpg anyone happen to know a close approximation to those unit frames? |
16:59.36 | steev | i'm currently just using the default blizz ones, but I noticed that I die a lot because I don't notice i'm almost dead :P |
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17:17.11 | wink | should be easy with shadowed |
17:17.49 | Nechckn | Yeah, in fact, that is almost surely what that is in the SS, steev |
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17:22.47 | Pneumatus | is there a way in default UI to have sticky channels, so the chat edit box always starts off being for the last channel typed in? |
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17:26.59 | nevcairiel | sure, every freakin chat mod does that |
17:27.09 | Pneumatus | no, default ui |
17:27.19 | Pneumatus | as in, with no addons :) |
17:27.29 | nevcairiel | run a /script every log in? |
17:27.30 | nevcairiel | :D |
17:27.50 | nevcairiel | blizzard doesnt have options for that, but its a trivial change in some table |
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17:28.14 | Pneumatus | in which case, ill investigate! |
17:29.06 | groktar | wouldn't really even need a chatmod if that were the default behavior |
17:29.20 | Pneumatus | ChatTypeInfo.CHANNEL.sticky = 1, etc it seems! |
17:29.23 | Pneumatus | time to macro |
17:29.41 | nevcairiel | all my chatmod does is .. add timestamps, change sticky behavour, move/hide some of the chatframe herpes |
17:29.57 | nevcairiel | oh and filter out loot messages for emblems that are not my own =P |
17:30.05 | nevcairiel | wrote his own chatmod |
17:30.14 | Pneumatus | you stolez that bit from me didnt you :P |
17:30.24 | nevcairiel | possible |
17:31.13 | nevcairiel | oh and i added a clickable-url thing :) |
17:31.44 | Pneumatus | got a macro to enable sticky channels now, thats one annoyance covered |
17:32.01 | groktar | playing on alpha Pneumatus? |
17:32.16 | nevcairiel | i have sticky on for everything but whisper and emote |
17:32.23 | Pneumatus | obviously i can neither confirm or deny |
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17:32.26 | nevcairiel | served me well |
17:32.36 | groktar | sounds reasonable |
17:32.53 | nevcairiel | alpha can run addons, i wouldnt see that as a reason :d |
17:32.55 | groktar | i usually leave sticky on for whisper, but now that i think about it i never use it |
17:33.01 | groktar | since i almost always use the chat reply button |
17:33.03 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: not at the moment |
17:33.04 | Pneumatus | i mean |
17:33.07 | Pneumatus | i wouldnt know |
17:33.07 | Pneumatus | etc |
17:33.15 | groktar | well, stuff breaks on alpha all the time |
17:33.21 | groktar | and right now you can't use addons on alpha |
17:33.26 | groktar | they have them turned off |
17:33.32 | nevcairiel | not something like a damn simple mod that just does the chat stickys |
17:33.42 | groktar | shrugs |
17:33.51 | Pneumatus | all addons are flagged insecure |
17:34.10 | nevcairiel | huh, someone else said he tested most of his addons, and it worked fine, did they push a new alpha build? |
17:37.26 | nevcairiel | i guess they did |
17:39.31 | NivFreak | addons are disabled in the new build yea |
17:39.47 | NivFreak | they want us using the default interface |
17:39.55 | NivFreak | which is obnoxious |
17:40.20 | Mileadus | thats gonna get annoying really quick |
17:40.31 | nevcairiel | the default ui isnt that bad |
17:40.35 | Pneumatus | yeh, it is |
17:40.39 | Mileadus | it's not terrific either |
17:40.55 | Pneumatus | watching your own dots in a party, for example |
17:40.55 | Bruners | the whole point for them to have PTR is that people test their shit and not someone elses code |
17:40.56 | NivFreak | it's pretty terrible |
17:40.57 | nevcairiel | the only annoying part for me always was that tree form has paging set up |
17:40.57 | Pneumatus | is HORRIBLE |
17:41.08 | nevcairiel | and i dont :p |
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17:41.18 | NivFreak | no clique ftl |
17:41.36 | nevcairiel | dependencys on addons = ftl :p |
17:41.38 | NivFreak | hehe |
17:41.51 | steev | wtb a curse that stops logging me out, pst |
17:41.54 | Mileadus | i tried clique on my mage, worked pretty good cuz all i have to do is remove curse...and then i tried to set it up for my priest...mistake lol |
17:42.02 | NivFreak | for questing and the one 5man that's open |
17:42.04 | NivFreak | it'll be fine |
17:42.17 | NivFreak | Mileadus: ... |
17:42.19 | steev | Mileadus: personally i just go with the top heals i need |
17:42.36 | NivFreak | I can't think of an easier addon to configure than cloque |
17:42.36 | NivFreak | clique* |
17:42.39 | steev | on the holy paladin, thats fol, hl |
17:42.46 | Mileadus | macro mouseover |
17:42.55 | steev | everything else is on my toolbars as 1 -4 |
17:43.07 | steev | then again, i suck and pretty much only heal heroics |
17:43.11 | NivFreak | hehe |
17:43.15 | Pneumatus | 1-4 are cooldowns for me |
17:43.19 | Pneumatus | the rest is on clique |
17:43.30 | NivFreak | on my priest, 1-4 are things like fade, self bubble, SW:D |
17:43.30 | steev | on the shaman, clique is only for earthshield and chainheal |
17:43.33 | steev | MIRITE |
17:43.48 | Mileadus | yes |
17:43.49 | NivFreak | every heal / CD is bound to a mouse/modifier combo |
17:43.50 | Pneumatus | oh i lie, holy nova is on 2 |
17:44.09 | NivFreak | yea, holy nova is keybound for me |
17:44.12 | steev | gah |
17:44.54 | steev | um, i'm looking at shadowed, and that screenshot, and they don't exactly look much alike |
17:45.18 | steev | unless the ss's for shadowed haven't been updated recently |
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17:46.12 | nevcairiel | you can skin Shadowed's |
17:47.41 | steev | so 20% today maybe? or we still have another week? |
17:48.19 | Pneumatus | another week i think |
17:48.23 | Pneumatus | only had 15% for 3 weeks now |
17:48.41 | nevcairiel | yeah should be another week |
17:49.17 | steev | bah |
17:49.31 | steev | i wanna do my quests |
17:50.33 | steev | and still not sure why but even with 15% we are still hittin bqls enrage |
17:50.58 | steev | probably a TON to do with the fact that we keep getting f'n warrior hunter shaman tokens |
17:51.45 | steev | even though we have no hunters, and the shaman's have enough tokens for both sets, and we had 2 people switch somewhat recently from their class to warriors... who are now enough tokens to have both dps and tank sets |
17:51.49 | steev | in 264 |
17:51.59 | arkanes_ | I've still never gotten a single token on any toon |
17:52.16 | arkanes_ | I'm kinda pissed off about it, because I basically have to get some before i can start swapping any of my gear around |
17:52.17 | steev | i have 2 264, but one was from VoA |
17:52.17 | NivFreak | steev: normal BQL? |
17:52.21 | steev | NivFreak: yes |
17:52.26 | NivFreak | steev: are bitten people dying? |
17:52.33 | steev | no |
17:52.36 | steev | well |
17:52.39 | steev | if one dies, we wipe it |
17:52.44 | NivFreak | man |
17:52.50 | NivFreak | we beat the enrage timer by more than a minute I think? |
17:52.56 | NivFreak | who gets your first bite usually? |
17:53.00 | steev | me :D |
17:53.05 | NivFreak | class? |
17:53.09 | steev | dk |
17:53.09 | arkanes_ | it's best if a ranged gets it |
17:53.13 | NivFreak | do you break 20k? |
17:53.16 | arkanes_ | unless all your ranged are poop, of course |
17:53.21 | steev | if it isn't me that gets it, its the warlock |
17:53.36 | NivFreak | our hunters/mages tend to win, but our DK also ends up getting it sometimes |
17:53.38 | steev | and no, i don't break 20k, not even close |
17:53.41 | NivFreak | all 20k+ for first bite |
17:53.50 | steev | NivFreak: if i don't fuck up my rotation, i get bit first |
17:53.54 | arkanes_ | our warlocks are all the aforementioned poop so I've never seen a good one on BQL, but I'd expect that they would do very well as the first bite |
17:54.04 | arkanes_ | because of superbuffed dots rolling during the offtarget time |
17:54.06 | steev | i do lose a lot of time because the god damned warlock who is supposed to be bitten first NEVER runs to me |
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17:54.37 | arkanes_ | steev: with the 15% buff you should be able to lose a bite and still win, assuming you could beat it with a perfect run without the buff |
17:54.54 | NivFreak | steev: then pick someone who doesn't fail |
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17:55.31 | NivFreak | steev: are you using BloodQueen to help with bites? |
17:55.47 | steev | not sure what addon is used |
17:56.12 | steev | but first bite if melee, bites a ranged, if ranged, they bite a melee |
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17:56.19 | steev | and then melee bite melee and ranged bite ranged |
17:56.20 | NivFreak | you can use BloodQueen+my patch, BloodQueen_AVR, and AVR and then it's dead simple |
17:56.35 | NivFreak | yea |
17:56.42 | steev | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/jfp7oakpv4uit0tp/sum/damageDone/?s=10657&e=10969 |
17:56.47 | steev | that was our most recent |
17:57.00 | steev | i lost a lot of time from trying to get blood mirror |
17:57.07 | NivFreak | for shadowmourne? |
17:57.11 | steev | the ot didn't notice me trying to get it (even though it was announced) |
17:57.17 | steev | and he was standing right on the tank |
17:57.32 | NivFreak | hey, we fucked up and did normal BQL (god damn setting...) |
17:57.34 | NivFreak | let me find our WoL |
17:58.02 | NivFreak | http://worldoflogs.com/reports/kr99awhgn1bna6v8/sum/damageDone/?s=1720&e=2001 |
17:58.02 | steev | i did notice that recently SS is affected by the bite damage |
17:58.05 | arkanes_ | heres ours |
17:58.06 | arkanes_ | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/ksiu2is9nmi1rrvb/sum/damageDone/?s=9124&e=9430 |
17:58.07 | sbu | Allara: btw, AVRE still displays too many blue circles for putricide |
17:58.08 | steev | whereas it didn't seem to be |
17:58.19 | NivFreak | alki was first bite on ours |
17:58.22 | arkanes_ | sbu: I used it on 10 hard last night and it did it right |
17:58.26 | NivFreak | secksual 2nd |
17:58.32 | Allara | sbu: unable to reproduce that, please be more specific |
17:58.34 | NivFreak | deh/zal 3rd/4th |
17:58.43 | steev | NivFreak: what kind of gear is alki in? |
17:58.59 | NivFreak | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostwolf&cn=Alki |
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17:59.14 | NivFreak | he's a beast, he places on WoL ranks constantly |
17:59.33 | NivFreak | WoL for mages touch 29k range, ours never break 21k or so w/ first bite |
17:59.42 | steev | >< |
17:59.45 | steev | wtb that neck |
17:59.58 | arkanes_ | steev: we only had like 4k more raidwide DPS than you |
17:59.59 | NivFreak | well you have to kill BQL :) |
18:00.15 | steev | NivFreak: yeah well, we've killed her a few times |
18:00.18 | steev | she hasn't dropped it at all |
18:00.27 | steev | and the belt from dreamwalker only dropped once |
18:00.34 | steev | which went to armaneth |
18:00.35 | NivFreak | hrmm, he ranked #9 on that report |
18:00.38 | steev | actually wait |
18:00.55 | NivFreak | been a while since we did a normal BQL kill |
18:00.57 | steev | indifferent (who has pretty much quit playing) got the neck when it did drop once (i think) |
18:01.14 | sbu | Allara: uhm, i see like 10 blue circles for 3 goos!? |
18:01.20 | NivFreak | your hunters are terrible =/ |
18:01.21 | arkanes_ | heh wol messed up your holy pallies DPS too |
18:01.38 | arkanes_ | I had that happen a couple weeks ago, it was showing me at 10k+ dps for judging once |
18:02.05 | steev | oh i see |
18:02.10 | steev | he's wearing the t10 pants |
18:02.13 | Allara | sbu: only one goo can be determined. Malleable Goo (All) shows a blue circle under everyone at once. Turn it off if you don't like it. |
18:02.17 | steev | was wondering how the hell he was expertise capped in that gear |
18:02.23 | NivFreak | our locks are all mostly last or 2nd to last bite cycle |
18:02.30 | sbu | Allara: ahh, i see |
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18:02.38 | NivFreak | and she dies during the last bite cycle for us I think |
18:02.47 | NivFreak | or within a few seconds afterwards |
18:02.51 | NivFreak | (on normal) |
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18:03.12 | steev | NivFreak: aside from the fact that he's full on 264, versus me only having 2, him having that neck and the belt |
18:03.22 | steev | our gear is quite similar |
18:03.29 | NivFreak | he's a very good player |
18:03.35 | steev | i am not :( |
18:03.37 | arkanes_ | he's frost too |
18:03.47 | NivFreak | yea, on that fight he's likely frost |
18:03.54 | NivFreak | any tank and spank |
18:03.59 | NivFreak | he swaps between frost and unholy a bit |
18:04.12 | steev | why frost for tank n spank? |
18:04.21 | NivFreak | see above numbers |
18:04.27 | NivFreak | ;) |
18:04.30 | steev | none of us dk's can get any decent 1h's |
18:04.36 | NivFreak | he has 2x277 1hers |
18:04.40 | arkanes_ | frost should scale better with long time on target |
18:04.41 | steev | the only time the 1h dps swords drop |
18:04.47 | arkanes_ | especially if he's got 277s :P |
18:04.52 | steev | we had a rogue who isn't playing anymore |
18:04.58 | NivFreak | his 2her is 277 too :P |
18:05.06 | steev | so many upgrades went to people who have stopped playing |
18:05.16 | NivFreak | that always hurts |
18:05.18 | arkanes_ | man I look at our WoL and I get pissed off |
18:05.30 | NivFreak | why? |
18:05.32 | arkanes_ | I break 10k on my rogue in our 10 man hm group |
18:05.43 | steev | our first dbw went to a druid.... who switched his main to be a warrior like 2 weeks later |
18:05.48 | arkanes_ | and I'm using boots from a 5 man and a frigging non-heroic orcish deathblade for my OH |
18:06.08 | arkanes_ | and we've still got half our DPS in 25s who can barely touch 8k without a gimmick |
18:06.12 | steev | i'd love to get into HM |
18:06.24 | steev | we can't get LK down, half the time, we don't even get time on him in a given week |
18:06.35 | steev | sometimes we can get to him near the end of the thursday night raid |
18:06.49 | steev | but.... then no one shows up on mondays |
18:06.51 | MysticalOS | sounds almost as bad as my dps set. with 219/226 gear from ulduar. Good think tank set is mostly 277. our instances are bugged, we don't get melee gear |
18:07.07 | arkanes_ | I'm not even that good |
18:07.16 | MysticalOS | every caster and healer has heroic DFO, we have not had a single DBW drop since the instance came out, our guild still has 0 |
18:07.20 | arkanes_ | I mean, I've been a rogue for a long time and I feel like I'm above average |
18:07.36 | arkanes_ | but I look at my log reports and I consistently mistime CDs, and don't use tricks enough |
18:07.54 | arkanes_ | I'm not hitting my optimal DPS by any means |
18:08.01 | NivFreak | rogues are also a high dps class |
18:08.07 | arkanes_ | still |
18:08.12 | MysticalOS | wtb ruby sanctum combat logs |
18:08.13 | NivFreak | and there are many fights that cater to melee in ICC |
18:08.18 | NivFreak | such as festergut |
18:08.19 | arkanes_ | nah |
18:08.21 | NivFreak | or saurfang |
18:08.23 | arkanes_ | fester & saurfang |
18:08.26 | arkanes_ | thats about it |
18:08.41 | MysticalOS | regular PP, for vanish bug, heh. of course doesn't help on heroic |
18:08.46 | NivFreak | so find a good comparitive dps fight, in which ranged don't have a gimmic |
18:09.04 | arkanes_ | marrowgar, sindragosa, putri, lk |
18:09.07 | steev | NivFreak: next time you get a chance, mind asking alki what sigil he uses on the bql fight? |
18:09.11 | NivFreak | lol |
18:09.16 | NivFreak | no, no, no, and no |
18:09.23 | NivFreak | steev: sure, give me 2 secs |
18:09.38 | arkanes_ | sure an individual can get unlucky on sindragosa |
18:09.41 | arkanes_ | (except for hunters) |
18:09.49 | NivFreak | I said sans-gimmic |
18:09.52 | NivFreak | instability blows |
18:09.53 | NivFreak | a lot |
18:09.56 | arkanes_ | yeah |
18:09.56 | steev | sindragosa is a friggin nightmare with our guild |
18:10.05 | arkanes_ | and if you've got a couple casters who're low thats no big deal |
18:10.09 | arkanes_ | but all of them? |
18:10.21 | arkanes_ | princes |
18:10.32 | steev | people have almost 0 raid awareness |
18:10.45 | steev | we have some people who never top the meters... who do nothing but stare at them |
18:10.49 | arkanes_ | frigging hate princes hard as melee :( |
18:10.50 | MysticalOS | sindragosa we have our ups and down, we might one shot it on heroic one week, and have them forget how to play the next and "that guy" gets the tomb |
18:11.05 | steev | MysticalOS: this is all normal 25 |
18:11.18 | steev | as i said, we can't get paste LK |
18:11.24 | NivFreak | LK is a rough fight |
18:11.24 | arkanes_ | anyone who's not a raidleader who has recount up while they're fighting is Doing It Wrong |
18:11.26 | MysticalOS | lol melee on blood princes heroic. we don't even brez them |
18:11.34 | steev | i should just suck it up and pay the 20k gold to get HM attuned |
18:11.34 | MysticalOS | dead melee=less chaos |
18:11.38 | NivFreak | arkanes_: skip that RL part |
18:11.57 | arkanes_ | NivFreak: well, a RL really should be using a time-to-death mod instead, but recount is an acceptable alternative |
18:12.09 | NivFreak | huh? |
18:12.10 | sbu | steev: dk lf guild? :p |
18:12.17 | NivFreak | how does recount provide TTL? |
18:12.31 | arkanes_ | it doesn't, but it provides average DPS |
18:12.35 | steev | sbu: don't tempt me |
18:12.45 | steev | although really, i mean |
18:12.47 | steev | i'm a dk |
18:12.55 | steev | we're a penny a dozen |
18:13.06 | arkanes_ | tahts why time to death is better, but if yuo know you need 60k raid dps to win and you're doing 50k that you're behind |
18:13.08 | NivFreak | WoL live reports will give you everything you need post-fight, I don't find dps within the fight to be useful |
18:13.13 | NivFreak | I use a combat timer + TTD |
18:13.32 | steev | as long as i don't screw up my opening rotation |
18:13.35 | sbu | steev: wtb ;) |
18:13.37 | steev | i always get bit first |
18:13.42 | steev | on bql |
18:13.53 | steev | unless jay gets off a lucky crit before i do |
18:13.53 | NivFreak | #3 in threat gets bitten |
18:13.57 | NivFreak | your mages/hunters fail ;) |
18:14.02 | arkanes_ | I'm not convinved that is true |
18:14.04 | MysticalOS | yeah WoL is def much better, although recount can be good too if you actually use more than the dps componant, like showing non trivial, going to damaage taken, and seeing who actually switched. |
18:14.07 | Pneumatus | #3 in threat doesnt always get bitten |
18:14.08 | NivFreak | it's #3 |
18:14.14 | NivFreak | I would stake my reputation on it |
18:14.15 | steev | arkanes_: based on my analysis, it is |
18:14.15 | Pneumatus | #1 after the offtank gets bitten |
18:14.16 | arkanes_ | I've seen that not be true several times |
18:14.19 | NivFreak | Pneumatus: no |
18:14.23 | NivFreak | it's #3 always |
18:14.27 | NivFreak | just watch the meters |
18:14.27 | arkanes_ | My personal suspicious is that it's a weighted random |
18:14.35 | steev | yeah, we had our offtank get bit first once |
18:14.36 | arkanes_ | NivFreak: I've seen it not happenb |
18:14.36 | NivFreak | it's totally reliable |
18:14.41 | arkanes_ | maybe for you |
18:14.46 | NivFreak | sure, I'm MT |
18:14.51 | NivFreak | I have nothing to do but watch it |
18:14.52 | arkanes_ | we've had a *faded* holy priest get the bite |
18:14.54 | MysticalOS | yeah it's a weighted random for sure. a mechanic that just makes sure the odd of healer getting first bite is like .00001 |
18:14.55 | NivFreak | that fight is so fucking boring |
18:14.57 | arkanes_ | he wasn't even on the meter |
18:15.04 | NivFreak | arkanes_: it ignores threat suspensions |
18:15.06 | NivFreak | mirrors etc |
18:15.08 | steev | arkanes_: he was when she started the cast |
18:15.12 | MysticalOS | i'd say 3rd in threat has like a 75% chance, 4th maybe 50%, deminishing thereafter? |
18:15.13 | arkanes_ | NivFreak: well then it's not #3 on the meter |
18:15.22 | arkanes_ | and no, he wasn't |
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18:15.26 | arkanes_ | he was never on the meter period |
18:15.30 | NivFreak | arkanes_: you'll notice that threat suspensions create grey omen bars |
18:15.46 | arkanes_ | I had nothing to do except watch it either |
18:15.49 | NivFreak | for mages w/ mirros etc |
18:15.52 | steev | i'm gonna have to go with niv, its definitely #3 in meter |
18:15.53 | MysticalOS | threat suspensions still count for the bite though, our mage is usually number 1 on threat and gets biten |
18:16.01 | NivFreak | so let me put it this way |
18:16.04 | NivFreak | I argued about this |
18:16.07 | MysticalOS | he gets a rogue tricks, blows all his CD and mirror image and does like 30ktps |
18:16.08 | NivFreak | and to prove my point |
18:16.11 | arkanes_ | it's certainly not "#3 on the meter" |
18:16.13 | NivFreak | (which was that it WAS NOT #3) |
18:16.18 | NivFreak | I started watching the meters |
18:16.28 | arkanes_ | it might be #3 not counting any of the threat modifiers that modify the meter |
18:16.32 | NivFreak | I've seen 15+ pulls/kills and it's always #3 |
18:16.46 | arkanes_ | although I'm still unconvinced, because I've *seen* a holy priest get the bite |
18:16.59 | arkanes_ | NivFreak: 15 is a lot of samples, is it? |
18:17.02 | NivFreak | were they smite spamming or something? |
18:17.05 | arkanes_ | no |
18:17.07 | NivFreak | arkanes_: it's enough |
18:17.17 | MysticalOS | it's threat based not damage based |
18:17.23 | NivFreak | right |
18:17.29 | MysticalOS | we control who gets bites with mds and tricks even if they do utter crap damage |
18:17.31 | arkanes_ | NivFreak: if the chances of #3 not being bit is 10%, then you have over a 60% chance of not seeing it in your 15 samples |
18:17.35 | NivFreak | but healing threat being #3 is curious |
18:17.38 | arkanes_ | NivFreak: so no, it's not nearly enough |
18:17.55 | NivFreak | arkanes_: whatever, now you're just being contrary |
18:18.04 | arkanes_ | no, thats just statistics |
18:18.11 | NivFreak | A foreign concept |
18:18.17 | NivFreak | please elaborate |
18:18.23 | MysticalOS | it's threat based but not 100%, higher threat means higher chance of being bite but not definite. it's still random, sometimes about 10% of the time i see her bite the second highest threat dps |
18:18.33 | MysticalOS | she can't bite tanks cause they are immune cause of her cleave debuff |
18:18.45 | MysticalOS | so technically it's first threat dps, not 3rd threat |
18:18.50 | NivFreak | heh |
18:18.54 | NivFreak | our OT is never #2 |
18:18.54 | MysticalOS | cause the dps can have higher threat than the tank |
18:18.59 | steev | MysticalOS: our ot got bit once |
18:19.03 | NivFreak | and the dps behind me, is never bitten |
18:19.18 | steev | granted at the time some retarded mage blinked up next to the tank and got blood mirror |
18:19.19 | arkanes_ | I've only seen the OT get bit when there was a positioning screwup and someone else got the mirror for a second |
18:19.24 | NivFreak | steev: he says hanged man? |
18:19.24 | MysticalOS | her cleave missed him somehow |
18:19.31 | steev | NivFreak: thats what i thought |
18:19.38 | NivFreak | but he does swap |
18:19.38 | MysticalOS | yeah that's why |
18:19.39 | steev | yeah i've stopped swapping out my sigil |
18:19.45 | MysticalOS | he wasn't the offtank if blood mirror was on someone else |
18:20.01 | steev | i just don't care enough anymore with the guild i'm in, i'm near the top of the meters even though i'm not as geared |
18:20.35 | arkanes_ | we had a holy pally get bit a few times |
18:20.50 | MysticalOS | did he forget to click off RF after saurfang? |
18:20.52 | arkanes_ | but he was using RF, even though again he was very low on the threat meter |
18:20.53 | MysticalOS | we had a paladin do that |
18:21.03 | arkanes_ | he uses it on most fights |
18:21.27 | arkanes_ | even with RF healing aggro just isn't that much |
18:21.38 | NivFreak | well |
18:21.42 | arkanes_ | possibly it was counting judment of light or something |
18:21.44 | NivFreak | RF + beacon heals on tanks |
18:21.47 | NivFreak | is pretty good TPS |
18:21.52 | steev | bleh, figures i logged out in my tank gear |
18:21.53 | MysticalOS | i don't think it goes by threat at time of pull honestly, i suspect she picks her bite like 2-3 seconds into the pull |
18:21.59 | NivFreak | JoL is personal threat i think |
18:22.08 | NivFreak | to the person healed |
18:22.10 | arkanes_ | it's no threat at all anymore |
18:22.17 | MysticalOS | i've seen her bite a hunter, that was like 6th on threat at time of bite, but he was highest threat at start of pull |
18:22.29 | arkanes_ | but possibly the "not quite threat" mechanic they use for her counts it or something |
18:22.36 | NivFreak | MysticalOS: from what I've seen, it's right as the bite goes out |
18:23.04 | NivFreak | threat can change pretty fast at those low static values |
18:23.12 | arkanes_ | if you really wanted to test it, you'd do maybe 100 pulls and keep per-second threat logs |
18:23.32 | arkanes_ | although threat updates are throttled, and it almost certainly uses your server-side threat so thats not 100% accurate |
18:23.38 | MysticalOS | it'll change fast but the top threat doers will still be consistent |
18:23.44 | MysticalOS | especialy when using MDs and tricks on them |
18:24.18 | NivFreak | one of our hunters would normally get the bite |
18:24.28 | NivFreak | but we converted him to a holy pally ;) |
18:24.36 | MysticalOS | yeah without tricks and MDs it's almost always a hunter or a mage, someone with ridiculous burst aggro |
18:24.40 | NivFreak | I think his last kill was 23k |
18:24.49 | NivFreak | so he earned his spot |
18:24.52 | MysticalOS | we got a dps whore feral druid that has two rogues and a hunter MD to him |
18:24.54 | MysticalOS | on the pull |
18:25.00 | NivFreak | mages or our frost DK get it now |
18:25.01 | MysticalOS | then he yells at the tanks if he happens to die |
18:25.05 | MysticalOS | cause it happens soemtimes |
18:25.10 | arkanes_ | the time we had the holy priest bit, the hunter we wanted to get it had 2 tricks |
18:25.27 | NivFreak | we don't bother with tricks or MD |
18:25.38 | arkanes_ | maybe 1 trick actually |
18:25.40 | arkanes_ | I can't remember |
18:25.43 | arkanes_ | but still |
18:25.50 | NivFreak | steev: he said he starts with virulence sometimes to make sure he gets bit |
18:26.24 | arkanes_ | hmm |
18:26.34 | arkanes_ | maybe the fade was wearing off just as the bite went out |
18:26.42 | NivFreak | I'm tellin ya, the fade is ignored |
18:26.45 | NivFreak | just like mirrors |
18:26.53 | arkanes_ | and it somehow counted the removal of the 90k threat as a threat gain or something |
18:26.58 | arkanes_ | -90k threat that is |
18:27.12 | NivFreak | well I certainly wouldn't discount blizzard having strange ass bugs |
18:27.17 | arkanes_ | anyway, it's clearly not a pure threat mechanic |
18:27.37 | arkanes_ | although equally clearly it correlates strongly with threat |
18:28.08 | arkanes_ | also ony deep breaths more :) |
18:28.12 | MysticalOS | it's a threat/chance mechanic like i said, higher threat means higher probabilty but not certainty. it's a mechanic in place to just reudce the odds of healers getting bite. the odds are probably .00001% but not to say it'd be impossible. |
18:29.12 | NivFreak | MysticalOS: I have no idea where you came up with that |
18:29.19 | NivFreak | but I think you're dreaming ;) |
18:29.28 | arkanes_ | well again |
18:29.48 | NivFreak | anyway, time for some lunch |
18:29.52 | arkanes_ | if it is a weighted mechanic, you'd be likely to never see it not be the #3 in your number of samples |
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18:46.22 | steev | FUCK FUCKING FUCK YOU BLIZZARD |
18:46.28 | steev | god damn it |
18:46.33 | steev | FIX YOUR FUCKING INSTANCES |
18:47.00 | steev | fucking pit of saron, every god damned time tyrannus bugs |
18:48.57 | steev | nice, and the paladin who got di'd... got teleported near the entrance |
18:51.01 | Primer | hehe |
18:51.46 | Primer | I don't recall ever seeing such a bug |
18:55.41 | steev | tyrannus hops down, you attack him, and he jumps back onto rimefang |
18:56.00 | steev | it has happened to me every single time i've been in there for the past week at least |
18:56.12 | steev | doesn't matter if i'm healing on my paladin or tanking on my dk |
18:56.15 | steev | same thing every time |
18:56.22 | steev | guess maintenance isn't actually |
18:56.55 | steev | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23767614599&sid=1 |
18:56.59 | steev | first one under D&R |
18:57.43 | steev | be nice to NOT get that as my daily instance |
18:59.39 | Primer | I started doing daily heroic again since wanting to gear up my druid's tank set |
18:59.58 | steev | i do em just for something to do |
19:00.24 | Primer | I pvp when I'm bored |
19:00.48 | Primer | last night I joined a pre-made, full 15 people for AB's resilient victory achievement |
19:00.52 | Primer | or whatever it's called |
19:01.03 | Primer | the one where you overcome a 500 resource deficit |
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19:02.12 | steev | i'm alliance, i don't pvp |
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19:02.35 | steev | i do go in there sometimes with my reported addon enabled so i can at least laugh |
19:02.40 | steev | i got called Puritan |
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19:03.04 | steev | another guy told me to "turn on your fucking chat filter" |
19:04.03 | Primer | hehehe |
19:04.05 | steev | so i pointed him to http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20222 |
19:04.56 | Primer | I've always enjoyed pvp |
19:04.58 | steev | it *really* gets people going on pvp servers |
19:05.09 | Primer | I'm alliance too, but we do well in our battlegroup |
19:05.17 | steev | which battlegroup are you in? |
19:05.20 | Primer | rampage |
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19:05.41 | steev | i always liked that game |
19:05.51 | steev | ooh Garona |
19:05.53 | Primer | I do the pvp daily every day on my priest. I have all the pvp gear I can get from honor on it |
19:05.54 | steev | i have a toon there |
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19:06.19 | Primer | I'd like to arena, but I don't want to be on a set schedule |
19:07.12 | steev | well you have tues-mon |
19:07.12 | vhaarr | Allara: please stop fucking around with the target scanning code, it's really broken in AVR now - why don't you just copy bigwigs? |
19:08.26 | Allara | that's why it's an alpha dude |
19:09.25 | Primer | A guildy recently showed me VampArrow. Nice job |
19:09.33 | Primer | Allara: ^^^^^^ |
19:09.38 | Allara | primer: thanks |
19:09.57 | vhaarr | Allara: so you don't want bug reports for alpha? |
19:10.08 | Allara | I want constructive bug reports. "Stop fucking with it" is not constructive. |
19:10.28 | Primer | it's vhaarr though |
19:10.34 | Primer | surely you can't expect more than that? |
19:10.39 | nevcairiel | yeah, thats his constructive voice |
19:10.41 | Allara | I don't know who he is, sorry |
19:11.03 | Torhal | Allara: He gives instructive bug reports. :D |
19:14.06 | Megalon | when he is unconstructive he beginns to formulate his criticism in meme's |
19:17.14 | vhaarr | hey I provided a solution, if that's not constructive I don't know what is |
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19:21.07 | Allara | sigh. the new target code is already based off another boss mod (dxe). it needs to be debugged, not replaced. |
19:23.01 | vhaarr | bigwigs has never been wrong for me |
19:23.11 | MysticalOS | at least you don't get bug reports "my combat log stopped working so boss warnings weren't working, can you fix this?" gee you think? |
19:23.13 | vhaarr | AVR is wrong frequently now, basically every pull at least once |
19:23.39 | Matsy | yeah |
19:23.45 | Matsy | I've had mixed results at Blood Council yesterday |
19:24.05 | Matsy | all the positioning seemed off there :*( |
19:24.12 | MysticalOS | i've never seen dbm wrong but i also usually have good latency. and i've used target scanning from .1-.5 and all return correct target. |
19:24.22 | Allara | Just to be clear, we're only talking about target detection. It only affects 3 mechanics in the entire instance |
19:24.36 | MysticalOS | shock vortex is iffy, he puts it near the player not on them, so the circle will never be accurate there |
19:24.39 | Matsy | (I had no knowledge of the previous discussion) |
19:24.45 | Allara | If "all the positioning is off", that's another issue, likely you're just seeing AVR render weird when you hit a wall |
19:24.59 | Matsy | Nah, that's not it, actually |
19:25.02 | vhaarr | I am talking about lich king pulls for the shadow traps |
19:25.07 | Matsy | There aren't that many walls there. ;o |
19:25.11 | Allara | Right, vhaarr, and that's what needs to be fixed |
19:25.22 | Matsy | LK worked fine here :) |
19:25.28 | Shefki | vhaarr: AVRE has always been wrong at least once every pull on LK. |
19:25.33 | vhaarr | same here |
19:25.35 | Shefki | vhaarr: That's nothing new. |
19:25.39 | vhaarr | bigwigs has never been wrong |
19:25.42 | Allara | Yes I'm aware of that :p that's what we're trying to solve |
19:25.44 | Matsy | Then again |
19:25.46 | Matsy | I am using RW2. |
19:25.52 | MysticalOS | it's probably what i said matsy, when he targets a player for vortex he doesn't actually put it in center of that players hit box, but like a few yards from them, so the circle, drawn from the center of the players hit box, is not gonna be perfect. |
19:26.06 | Matsy | Hm, yeah. |
19:26.15 | Matsy | Guess it can be a bit random there |
19:26.28 | Zyn | bossmods overall is a bit wonky on LK atm ; a player can yell out "Shadow Trap on Me!" yet it spawns on someone else |
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19:26.38 | Matsy | The addon was just perfect at Rotface ;D |
19:26.46 | Matsy | I was just facerolling that |
19:27.19 | Allara | vhaarr: I will look at bigwigs code. if my current stuff can't be made reliable, I'll definitely replace it. The problem is my guild has basically failed at raiding last week |
19:27.30 | Matsy | Allara: You're the developer of AVR? |
19:27.38 | Allara | no, AVRE. Olog does AVR |
19:27.42 | Matsy | Oh! |
19:27.43 | MysticalOS | i get sat for heroic LK, I rolled the wrong class |
19:27.45 | Matsy | So this was about AVRE? |
19:27.48 | Allara | yeah |
19:27.50 | Matsy | ... ah |
19:27.54 | Matsy | I don't use that, haha |
19:27.57 | MysticalOS | my guild has two prot warrior main tanks, and well, that doesn't work |
19:28.12 | Matsy | RW2 is all I need as a holy paladin |
19:28.24 | Matsy | We're going to start heroics by tomorrow |
19:28.44 | MysticalOS | we don't have 75k HP like a druid, or the EH of argent defender/will of necro, we just get one shot :\ wtb 30% buff so i don't have to sit |
19:29.03 | Matsy | hahaha |
19:29.11 | Matsy | AD is nice <3 |
19:30.35 | Aeyan | I still remember the burning hate I had for AD early on, hehe. |
19:30.41 | Aeyan | "lol, tank died", heh |
19:31.05 | Matsy | hahaha |
19:31.08 | MysticalOS | warriors still have terrible EH in comparison to other tanks, and it especially shows on heroic LK. |
19:31.13 | Matsy | 2 minute cooldown on it |
19:31.15 | Matsy | is just epic |
19:31.23 | MysticalOS | 3% stam buff to vitality was a laughable "fix" |
19:33.31 | steev | yay, instructor raz |
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19:39.48 | arkanes_ | Allara: is there an easy way to manually mess with the camera in AVR so I can try to correct the perpsective when abom driving? |
19:40.25 | Allara | arkanes: hmm, not sure, I don't drive the abom. maybe a good question for olog? |
19:40.38 | arkanes_ | well you're here and he isn't :P |
19:40.44 | Allara | well I don't know the answer :p |
19:40.46 | arkanes_ | I'll poke at it later |
19:41.06 | arkanes_ | but anyway yeah, the abom is taller so everything is rendered all funny |
19:41.11 | Allara | I know he says there are issues when in vehicles, I don't think I've experienced it myself |
19:41.23 | arkanes_ | its cause your camera moves in a way it cant detect |
19:41.24 | Matsy | Though, what kind of AVR warnings would you want to see as an abomination? |
19:41.37 | Allara | ah yeah that makes sense. he'd probably have to correct for that by detecting your vehicle |
19:42.26 | arkanes_ | abom still takes damage so not standing in goo helps |
19:42.26 | arkanes_ | not sure if AVR detects or can detect slime pools? |
19:42.26 | Matsy | What can it do about the goo? |
19:42.26 | Allara | arkanes: it can't |
19:42.26 | arkanes_ | I can not stand in it :P |
19:42.27 | nevcairiel | you have to stand in the goo to eat it! :D |
19:42.27 | Matsy | There's no use for it to detect it anyway, they're already like super visible |
19:42.35 | arkanes_ | goo, not slime! |
19:42.39 | nevcairiel | all the same |
19:42.49 | Matsy | super large goo pools, all green :+ |
19:42.59 | Matsy | If you need AVR for that, that's pretty fail ;p |
19:43.03 | Matsy | oh |
19:43.04 | Matsy | malleable goo |
19:43.06 | Allara | well we can detect where they are cast, but not their size or whatever |
19:43.13 | Allara | and yeah what matsy said |
19:43.17 | arkanes_ | where they're cast is handy |
19:43.25 | arkanes_ | I do it now by watching for the vials to get thrown |
19:44.51 | arkanes_ | also I'm just kind of nosy and I like to know what nasty green stuff is going where |
19:45.20 | Matsy | lolol arkanes_ |
19:48.15 | arkanes_ | Allara: would it make sense for AVRE to register for bigwigs own events instead of duplicating event code from another addon? |
19:48.34 | Shefki | arkanes_: The point of AVRE is to be boss mod independent. |
19:49.00 | Allara | ^^ |
19:49.04 | nevcairiel | boss mod independent is kidna silly to say, its really its own boss mod |
19:49.12 | arkanes_ | right |
19:49.25 | Allara | We say it like that because AVR originally required BigWigs to get boss marks |
19:49.50 | arkanes_ | time for libbossevents! |
19:50.03 | Shefki | arkanes_: That's unlikely to ever happen. |
19:50.42 | arkanes_ | yeah probably |
19:51.41 | steev | my mod is better than your mod |
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20:25.18 | harl | since when does the ident protocol include the need for icmp packets to be allowed |
20:26.22 | wink | o_O |
20:26.29 | wink | I don't think so |
20:29.59 | steev | always |
20:30.07 | steev | ident is sent via icmp |
20:30.38 | steev | you're thinking of icmp echo packets, aka ping - which it does not require |
20:31.01 | NivFreak | uh |
20:31.25 | NivFreak | crack smoker? |
20:31.33 | NivFreak | rfc 1413 :P |
20:31.50 | SunTsu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ident |
20:32.06 | steev | i know what the rfc is :P |
20:32.13 | steev | (sadly) |
20:32.41 | SunTsu | steev: then you should know that ident does not use icmp |
20:32.43 | NivFreak | well you haven't read it then ;P |
20:32.57 | wink | I get TCP on 113 |
20:32.59 | wink | as I supposed |
20:33.12 | NivFreak | ^ |
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20:33.43 | winktest | so, do I have an ident? |
20:33.46 | steev | er, okay |
20:33.49 | steev | yeah i fail |
20:33.52 | wink | yes, and tcpdump was empty |
20:34.52 | wink | tcpdump even had the proof :P |
20:34.53 | wink | # tcpdump -i eth0 dst port 113 and icmp |
20:34.53 | wink | tcpdump: expression rejects all packets |
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20:36.03 | SunTsu | wink: maybe because icmp doesn't have ports :> |
20:36.10 | wink | ^5 |
20:37.37 | steev | shush! |
20:37.44 | Megalon | i'm in your tubez |
20:37.50 | Megalon | eatin your packetz |
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20:45.06 | harl | i know ident is tcp, but i don't get it either: when i explicitly block all icmp packets by a firewall rule, ident is virtually playing dead. but when i neither allow nor block any icmp, ident works fine, although no icmp packets are getting registered. |
20:46.42 | harl | it might be mirc's fault though |
20:47.43 | SunTsu | harl: blocking icmp can kill your PMTU discovery |
20:49.29 | harl | usually, i only really explicitly block echo requests and also explicitly allow framentation needed and time exceeded |
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20:50.52 | harl | and leave anything else just come and go on a per-connection basis |
20:51.03 | harl | leave=let |
20:51.42 | harl | although there haven't exactly been many icmp packets anytime, anyway |
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21:16.47 | harl | ok, so it's not exactly my or mirc's fault, but my router wouldn't correctly map its port 113 to my local port 113 |
21:16.52 | harl | brb |
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21:17.43 | harl | better? yes.. |
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22:09.51 | Mileadus | do most ppl use just a simple text editor to make addons or use a program like AddOn Studio? |
22:10.14 | Ac-town | vim |
22:10.44 | Ac-town | but really, its up to you |
22:11.19 | Mileadus | cuz i'm using AddOn Studio (cuz i'm a n00b, but i figured some stuff out), but i'm wondering if you make a change in the Lua file does it automatticall make the changes in the xml file? |
22:11.33 | Mileadus | cuz other wise you'd have to change it manually right? |
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22:14.31 | ArrowmasterClass | Mileadus: you are better off not using Addon Studio |
22:15.24 | Mileadus | even for a beginner? |
22:15.31 | ArrowmasterClass | yes |
22:15.35 | Mileadus | oh |
22:15.43 | Mileadus | so Vim or Scite ? |
22:15.49 | Mileadus | or however it's spelled |
22:15.55 | Ac-town | vim is *nix |
22:15.57 | ArrowmasterClass | or notepad++ |
22:16.03 | Ac-town | ^ if your on windows |
22:16.10 | Mileadus | i am |
22:16.16 | Ac-town | notepad++ is great |
22:17.00 | ArrowmasterClass | i used SciTE when i was on windows and Notepad++ is very similar to it |
22:18.04 | Superfly_ | im using vim even on windows :) |
22:18.42 | ArrowmasterClass | i only use vim on a console, i dont really like its gui |
22:19.12 | ArrowmasterClass | its too consoley |
22:21.29 | Superfly_ | yeah im not big fan of gvim, but you can use it like a normal vim anyway |
22:23.08 | Superfly_ | btw isnt notedpad++ based on scite? |
22:23.26 | Superfly_ | never tried it yet, but now that you mentioned it, im gonna check it |
22:23.55 | ArrowmasterClass | sorta |
22:23.57 | Ac-town | ArrowmasterClass: console or go home |
22:24.49 | ArrowmasterClass | mumbles about wishing mainline Emacs had a GUI mode with proper tabs |
22:25.30 | Ac-town | ssh+vim, gets stuff done |
22:26.48 | Superfly_ | how is the performance with wine+wow nowadays? |
22:26.54 | ArrowmasterClass | if Emacs had a GUI i liked i'd take the time to learn it since i know its got other features i want |
22:27.07 | ArrowmasterClass | Superfly_: its always been good |
22:27.42 | Ac-town | and its been getting better |
22:27.48 | Superfly_ | do you play wow from linux? |
22:27.55 | Ac-town | due to video driver support |
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22:32.08 | ramoz | Superfly_: i do, on one of my computers |
22:32.13 | ramoz | works like a charm |
22:32.16 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03DrKazza * r28 OldInstanceFinder.lua: Final release with Ruby Sanctum |
22:33.35 | Ac-town | vent has some issues the last time i tried it |
22:33.41 | Mileadus | you can use Crossover Games for Linux to run WoW |
22:34.01 | Mileadus | for the most part it worked ok, but i had a bit of lag issue with it |
22:36.00 | ArrowmasterClass | Crossover Games is Wine |
22:37.15 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r2627 / (3 files in 3 directories): Ruby Sanctum loot |
22:37.15 | Mileadus | yes |
22:37.49 | ArrowmasterClass | only issue i ever really had was the evdev keyrepeat bug that made the running animation look messed up and annoying |
22:40.48 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 07cataclysm * r2628 Modules/ (2 files in 2 directories): Ruby Sanctum loot |
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22:58.14 | steev | i use normal wine |
22:58.31 | steev | and wow, it works fine, although doesn't seem to utilize both cores properly |
22:59.02 | ArrowmasterClass | because WoW doesnt |
22:59.05 | steev | so the cpu fan kicks in pretty hardcore |
22:59.19 | ArrowmasterClass | WoW isnt truely multithreaded |
22:59.19 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03DrKazza 04v1.0 * r29 : Full release with prettier formatting and added Ruby Sactum |
22:59.24 | steev | ArrowmasterClass: on my windows dual core and quad core, it utilizes them just fine |
22:59.37 | steev | but in Wine, it shoots once cpu to 100% all the time |
22:59.48 | Primer | Anyone familiar with guildgreet? |
22:59.52 | steev | specially during raids |
23:00.27 | Primer | The only reason I installed it was so that it could notify me when people leave guild |
23:00.56 | Primer | with the window, not just in chat |
23:01.05 | Primer | in chat it's easy to miss |
23:01.12 | Primer | with a nagging window it's not |
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23:02.48 | Primer | oh, nm, I just found it |
23:05.39 | Hjalte | Can anyone tell me how long it is untill May 19, 9:00 -10:30am PT? |
23:06.02 | Fisker | 18:00 CEST |
23:06.12 | Fisker | nub |
23:06.22 | Fisker | what are you waiting for anyway? |
23:06.33 | Fisker | We're not getting Frozen Yoghurt at 9AM either way |
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23:06.52 | Hjalte | I'm a hero owner, according to HTC I don't really get anything. |
23:07.29 | Fisker | have jnwhiteh do it |
23:08.11 | Hjalte | I do have a 2.1 rom on it now, but I wouldnt mind an official one. |
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23:10.42 | Fisker | no frozen yoghurt for us though |
23:11.43 | Fisker | i r hoping it leaks though |
23:18.07 | Hjalte | I'm sure it'll leak soon enough. I'm just hoping it will work on older hardware. |
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23:24.29 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03NevetsNeirbo * r207 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
23:24.31 | Repo | Finally fixed a long standing bug where you couldn't export with a nil presence table. |
23:25.17 | Adirelle | ArrowmasterClass, I'm running WoW in its own X server, using "xset -r 25 -r 38 -r 39 -r 40" to disable key repeat on WSAD (well, technically it is "ZQSD" on a AZERTY keyboard, but the keycodes are the same) |
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23:30.58 | Ac-town | WoW is only 32 bit also :( |
23:33.52 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * v4.0.0-beta9-18-g43bc38d / (6 files in 5 directories): [+1 commit] Ticket #631: Allow Health and PowerBars to be animated/faded over time. |
23:35.28 | Stanzilla | yay |
23:36.43 | Fisker | TODAY IM USING COMPUTAR |
23:38.22 | arkanes_ | Fisker: I finally realized who you remind me of |
23:38.36 | Shefki | Stanzilla: Was that a yay for the PB4 commit? |
23:38.37 | arkanes_ | Jeff K! |
23:40.07 | Stanzilla | Shefki: yup! |
23:40.50 | Fisker | Jeff K? |
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23:41.14 | Shefki | Stanzilla: Let me know what you think of it, the animation is a little different than PB3. |
23:42.20 | Fisker | arkanes_ |
23:42.23 | Fisker | then i will troll u |
23:42.56 | Stanzilla | ok |
23:42.56 | arkanes_ | Fisker: I'm sure you've googled jeff k by now and realize what a compliment it is |
23:43.36 | Fisker | unles i don't want to :( |
23:45.06 | Stanzilla | Shefki: neat! :o |
23:47.21 | WobWork | arkanes_: Jeff K? is that a StileProject reference? |
23:47.40 | arkanes_ | nah, he was on SA |
23:48.01 | arkanes_ | I suppose he might have had some crosslinks on stileproject before it degenerated into nothing but scat porn |
23:48.11 | WobWork | ie, three weeks in? |
23:48.19 | arkanes_ | but what a glorious three weeks! |
23:48.36 | WobWork | I vaugely recall something about hackers, and pulling the cable once they're in, to trap them in the computer |
23:48.47 | WobWork | and putting the end of the cable in a bucket to catch any loose bits |