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06:07.03 | orionshock | <3 linux... |
06:08.06 | orionshock | for 9/10 things it's just easier to work with than xp :) had to reinstall Ubuntu today. I installed xChat & grabbed my old ~/.xChat2 folder from the old install and into the new one. Open and BOOM back to normal |
06:12.44 | SunTsu | orionshock: I have my critical config files in git, which is backupped, so I can a) spread my configs to all of my accounts abd b) am back in business real fast |
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06:27.27 | orionshock | SunTsu, it's a nice design that linux has over windows. not sure if mac is setup the same way |
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06:35.18 | SunTsu | orionshock: I neither don't know, never had MacOS, never will |
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06:35.53 | orionshock | hehe |
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06:37.39 | orionshock | hehe, they had their moments... like switching to Darwin / BSD as their core OS, and using PowerPC proc's. But the move to x86 and the recent stick up their ass is no good |
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06:38.53 | SunTsu | I don't like their way of handling security and vulnerabilities |
06:40.31 | SunTsu | On a side note, looks like Kaelten is the only person I ever met who has birthday on more than one consecutive day |
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06:42.22 | orionshock | SunTsu, im not sure how to understand that idea... & how did he manage to be that way ? |
06:42.28 | orionshock | is confused |
06:46.50 | SunTsu | orionshock: Just look at the topic and when it was set ;) |
06:47.28 | orionshock | lol :) |
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06:57.44 | quiescens | it was a long and complicated birth |
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07:05.14 | wink | @project pokedex |
07:05.16 | Repo | 10pokedex: 03stencil 04Release v3.3.09 * r68 : Tagging as Release v3.3.09 |
07:05.19 | Repo | wink: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pokedex/. Pokedex. Game: WoW. stencil (Manager/Author). Updated: 7 days ago. Tickets: 1/3 |
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07:19.26 | Wobin | DWSR, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2wJDnyd-ow&feature=related |
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07:56.45 | Arrowmaster | orionshock, SunTsu: sadly linux is moving away from the easy config, crap like gconf-2 is a nightmare for me |
07:57.18 | orionshock | Arrowmaster, it's growing pains tbh |
07:57.38 | haste | growing pains that have lasted since gnome 2.0! |
07:57.40 | orionshock | the release of vista and 7 hated on linux to the masses movement |
07:57.51 | haste | also, gconf is just an interface to the file system |
07:57.59 | haste | which contsists of XML files |
07:58.10 | Arrowmaster | its still a pain |
07:58.14 | haste | they're even indented correctly for human editing |
08:01.35 | orionshock | http://www.pcworld.com/article/194935/ YouTube doing video rental ? |
08:01.49 | orionshock | http://www.youtube.com/store |
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08:02.45 | SunTsu | Arrowmaster: yeah, I know, still all that gconf-Stuff is getting stored into your $HOME |
08:03.33 | haste | I also don't think gconf will take over the world of linux |
08:03.42 | haste | plenty of devs that hate it with a passion still :p |
08:03.50 | SunTsu | Arrowmaster: tbh, I don't care much about gconf, because all I need is my shell, my editor, my mua and I'm ready to go |
08:04.03 | Arrowmaster | no but kde has their own version of something similar |
08:04.15 | Arrowmaster | and even xfce does now i think |
08:04.56 | haste | the KDE configs aren't too bad at least |
08:05.07 | haste | so you don't really need to dig into the config files |
08:05.20 | Arrowmaster | thats a plus i guess |
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08:05.40 | Arrowmaster | gconf doesnt seem to have a way to delete anything from the gui |
08:05.45 | haste | gnome on the other hand requires quite a lot of gconf digging :V |
08:06.28 | Arrowmaster | i only use two Qt apps and everything else is mostly GTK+ so i doubt ill be using kde anytime soon |
08:06.47 | haste | my father uses KDE |
08:06.54 | haste | which is why I have some experience with it |
08:07.02 | haste | I use wmii and dwm myself |
08:07.31 | haste | right now I don't use any Qt apps |
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08:08.02 | haste | I do hope that digikam will become more sane soon |
08:08.07 | haste | running picasa under wine is such a pita |
08:08.16 | SunTsu | haste: I use KDE, too, since 4.3.x it's lightning fast |
08:08.36 | haste | yeah, I'm pretty surprised with it myself |
08:08.58 | haste | I've been a GNOME fan since they pushed out 2.04 or so |
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08:09.07 | haste | but lately KDE seems to be doing some correctly |
08:09.38 | Arrowmaster | gnome seems to be doing a lot of things wrong lately |
08:09.45 | haste | I'm still not too much of a fan of Qt, at least as a UI toolkit |
08:09.53 | Arrowmaster | same |
08:09.57 | haste | yeh, still lots of good GTK apps tho' |
08:10.06 | haste | Qt apps seem to fail so hard at usability |
08:10.16 | haste | glares at digikam. |
08:10.27 | SunTsu | haste: I really don't care about the WM/DE, I hardly notice what I'm using with shells fullscreen |
08:10.34 | Arrowmaster | i want to know what fucking idiot thought it was a good idea to remove the hex,dec,oct,bin buttons from gcalc |
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08:10.41 | haste | did you see I use dwm/wmii SunTsu :P ? |
08:10.57 | haste | is a terminal/console-whore |
08:11.06 | SunTsu | haste: I used to use larswm |
08:11.48 | haste | I've been swapping around WMs for several years now |
08:12.03 | haste | but lately I always come back to wmii (for my desktop) and dwm (for my laptop) |
08:16.49 | SunTsu | I'm at KDE now, and I stay just because I set it up the way it suits me. Could be any other WM, though, I really don't pay attention much |
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08:17.52 | Arrowmaster | yeah im using gnome now but mostly trying to just ignore it |
08:18.00 | olafski | world of tanks would definitely give a new meaning to tankspot.com .. :o |
08:19.22 | SunTsu | I used Gnome before KDE, but it felt too slow |
08:28.12 | haste | I've used most WMs afaik :P |
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08:31.18 | Arrowmaster | haste: so then tell me if im just crazy or this problem im having is a feature of something |
08:31.58 | SunTsu | I'm too lazy to switch WMs much, too much work to configure them the way I like it |
08:32.27 | Arrowmaster | mouse actions happen on both mouse down and mouse up, for example right clicking (in ANY application or on the desktop) will open the menu on the down and then execute whatever the pointer is over on the up click |
08:32.50 | Arrowmaster | fucking driving me insane for half a year |
08:33.40 | Arrowmaster | i dont know if its Xorg or GNOME/Metacity or what |
08:34.54 | quiescens | moo |
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08:36.39 | haste | Arrowmaster: can't say I've experienced that :p |
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08:36.42 | Repo | v3.3.3.17 |
08:36.43 | Repo | Note: 3.3.3.x is a complete rewrite for WoW v3.3 support. Likely many bugs need finding and squashing. |
08:36.44 | Repo | Added: Partial German localization, thanks RogueChromie. |
08:36.45 | Repo | Added: Data Broker object now has a new icon which changes depending on RSwapper3's status. Generally it shows the current Main Hand weapon icon. |
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08:37.11 | haste | Arrowmaster: you click, notice that it's the wrong action, move the cursor away and it will click whatever you are hovering at that point? |
08:39.01 | Arrowmaster | the down opens the menu and the up clicks whatever the cursor is over, if the mouse is absolutely still when i right click and not really close the the edge of the screen it wont have anything under it to click since it will be right on the border of the menu |
08:39.22 | Arrowmaster | but if it just barely moves between the down and up click it will activate something |
08:39.45 | quiescens | blame haste |
08:39.46 | quiescens | nodnod |
08:39.56 | Arrowmaster | so ive been forcing myself to hold the button down and release it over what i want to activate |
08:41.12 | haste | wth |
08:41.24 | haste | I can't say I've experienced that behaviour on GTK/Qt |
08:41.50 | haste | sounds pretty painful tho' :P |
08:42.05 | Arrowmaster | maybe its metacity, but i thought it was still happening when i was crazy and using compiz |
08:42.38 | haste | might be some insane setting you have |
08:42.54 | haste | I can't say I have that behavior myself, but I also don't have any GTK apps to test it on right now |
08:43.03 | Arrowmaster | it was the default! |
08:43.34 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Sounds like Emacs. Drives me batshit. |
08:44.22 | Arrowmaster | emacs drives you batshit or something more specific to the issue im having? |
08:44.39 | haste | Arrowmaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/320259 same issue? |
08:44.39 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: The GUI menus in Emacs behave as you described. |
08:45.02 | haste | I don't have that in Quod Libet and Firefox at home at least Arrowmaster |
08:45.10 | haste | which are two of the few GTK apps I have :p |
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08:45.50 | Torhal | Though I remember other things behaving that way in X in the 90s, so maybe it's a holdover |
08:45.57 | Arrowmaster | haste: you must be god with a search engine or something, i could never fucking find anything |
08:46.05 | Arrowmaster | thats the exact issue |
08:47.22 | haste | I can't really say I've experienced it in years myself :P |
08:47.41 | haste | actually, I can do it with chrome |
08:47.46 | quiescens | you.. |
08:47.47 | haste | if I right-click and hold it happens |
08:47.51 | quiescens | should be able to do it with anything |
08:47.52 | haste | if I right-click normally it doesn't |
08:48.08 | haste | quiescens: I have two GTK apps on my home computer :P |
08:48.11 | quiescens | because its working as designed o.o |
08:48.15 | Arrowmaster | try right clicking while moving the mouse |
08:48.30 | haste | just right-click and release :P |
08:50.21 | Arrowmaster | my mouse is really sensitive, and just moving 1px triggers it, i seriously dont know how people can stand it |
08:50.47 | orionshock | drop your mouse sensitivity and click speed back to normal |
08:51.19 | Arrowmaster | im used to this sensitivity |
08:54.18 | olafski | it takes a remarkable short time to get used to another sensitivity :P |
08:54.31 | orionshock | finally after crashing at 80% wow is fully downloaded and installing at 33% |
08:54.36 | orionshock | 2 hrs later.. |
08:54.42 | olafski | for me anyways.. I switched them around when I still played FPS on my pc a lot |
08:54.53 | quiescens | sekretly corrupts an mpq or two for orionshock |
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08:56.43 | orionshock | hires hit squad to take out quiescens at a distance |
08:57.05 | quiescens | so violent o.o |
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08:59.35 | Adirelle|work | haste, would it be possible to tweak ouf aura element so it tries always to display the maximum number of auras, even if some of them are filtered out ? |
09:00.24 | haste | Adirelle|work: everything is possible, but such a tweak would require all the internal loops to be changed |
09:00.55 | Adirelle|work | yes, I know, I'm looking at it right now |
09:01.14 | haste | I also want to push out 1.4 this month, which is looking more and more like impossible as people are excellent at asking for features and bringing up issues just now |
09:01.19 | haste | like you do now :D |
09:01.36 | haste | a change like that would require a API bumpa anyway |
09:01.40 | orionshock | quiescens, i've downloaded ~10-15gb worth of updates over the last 3 hrs... my ISP Hates me atm already :) lucky for me it's 2am here and im in a neighborhood that mostly can't afford internet |
09:01.52 | Adirelle|work | well, once you pushed out 1.4, i'll be to busy to update my code to ask for new features xD |
09:02.11 | Adirelle|work | and I don't thing that would change the API |
09:02.20 | Adirelle|work | s/thing/think/ |
09:02.27 | haste | p3lim wants support for aura spacing in x/y, and some other crap that makes no sense |
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09:02.50 | haste | it would change the behavior of the aura element |
09:03.11 | Adirelle|work | it would just always display 12 icons when you asked for 12 icons and at least 12 of the unit auras weren't filtered out |
09:03.32 | haste | but I need to go AFK now |
09:03.37 | haste | so brb 1h or so :p |
09:03.49 | Adirelle|work | ok |
09:04.09 | Adirelle|work | ATM, if 3 of the first 12 auras are filtered out, it would only display 9 icons, even if the unit had 20 auras |
09:07.20 | quiescens | who has 20 auras anyway! |
09:07.36 | industrial | the bad guy |
09:07.36 | Adirelle|work | raid bosses ? :p |
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09:07.48 | industrial | who cares about 20auras anyway |
09:08.12 | quiescens | in our day we had like 16 or something |
09:08.21 | industrial | I only show 10 and dont even care about any of those or any of my own that auto apply when I dps, eg bleeds shadow mastery etc |
09:08.42 | industrial | I just care about my .. sting or flame shock etc :> |
09:13.11 | Adirelle|work | industrial, actually I use InlineAura to watch my own buffs/debuffs |
09:13.27 | Adirelle|work | but showing things you can dispell can be usefull too |
09:14.14 | industrial | I'd color the frame background for that instead, but thats taste =) |
09:14.32 | Adirelle|work | won't work on targets |
09:14.45 | industrial | why not |
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09:15.09 | Adirelle|work | because I'll have to add frame background coloring |
09:15.13 | Adirelle|work | and that's taste :p |
09:15.23 | industrial | ^^ |
09:16.27 | Adirelle|work | anyway there's a few cases you'd like to see your own special debuffs, though these are old encounters (malygos, leviathan) |
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13:02.36 | quiescens | trips zyn |
13:08.12 | SunTsu | Any doctor here? Any Spin doctor here? |
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13:22.57 | phyber | slightly offtopic, but anyone got a good example of reading from a pipe in Lua with the posix stuff? not with posix.popen(), but with posix.fork() and posix.exec(), etc. |
13:23.02 | phyber | google-fu fails me today. |
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13:23.50 | Kalroth | phyber: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1242572/how-do-you-construct-a-read-write-pipe-with-lua |
13:25.09 | phyber | I've been looking at that page, but it doesn't work for what i want. for some reason, i cannot just get reading from a pipe working. |
13:25.23 | phyber | copy/pastas somewhere |
13:25.32 | Kalroth | Well the first answer says: "There is nothing in the Lua standard library to allow this." |
13:25.37 | Kalroth | Maybe that's the issue? |
13:26.31 | phyber | my .exec just doesn't seem to be writing to stdout, i'm clearly being stupid somewhere. |
13:26.37 | phyber | if i write to the pipe directly, it works. |
13:26.38 | phyber | http://lua.pastey.net/135722-34hw |
13:27.03 | phyber | like, if instead of posix.exec(whatever), I do.. wr:write("wibble"), I can read it just fine. |
13:31.03 | Kalroth | Yes, I think the stackoverflow page is saying just that |
13:31.20 | Kalroth | posix.exec() doesn't support pipes directly |
13:31.27 | Kalroth | or something :p |
13:32.22 | Kalroth | also I don't think you could call io.flush() after you call posix.exec(), but I might be mistaken |
13:33.06 | phyber | yeah, i probably don't have to. i got to the stage of just randomly changing things though |
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13:53.11 | Repo | Reverted changes to Warlocks' defaults about curses and corruption. |
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16:03.18 | Silowyi | Ok so |
16:03.29 | Silowyi | I'm reading this "raid progression changes" thing Netheara put out |
16:03.44 | Silowyi | and all I'm seeing is "we're killing off 25 man raiding. Sorry guys!" lol |
16:03.48 | Silowyi | (which is fine by me!) |
16:04.53 | arkanes_ | yay sounds good to me |
16:05.39 | arkanes_ | its a little sad that 10 and 25 will share a lockout, though, because it cuts the amount of raiding I can do in a week via pugs and stuff down |
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16:11.10 | Stanzilla | that's like the biggest bullshit they've ever done |
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16:13.07 | SunTsu | The really stupid part is "Hey, if you get that much people together, you'll get more stuff" - yeah, I'll get more stuff if I do 2 or 3 10 men raids, thanks |
16:13.26 | groktar | i might raid again with the changes |
16:13.59 | groktar | i hated having to do both 10 and 25 mans |
16:14.44 | arkanes_ | well, its not like you can choose to do 2 10 man raids or 1 25 man one |
16:14.50 | arkanes_ | especially since they'll share a lockout |
16:15.06 | groktar | ye |
16:15.38 | groktar | spending 4 days on 25 man hard modes and then having to go to 10 mans because there's one stupid piece of loot there for my bis was awful |
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16:18.51 | sbu | bah, no more 10man? sucks :( |
16:18.57 | Aens|Superiority | groktar: I find that most guilds as it is now, only use the 10 mans to learn content, not run as a compulsory. |
16:19.16 | Aens|Superiority | unless we're talking about the raid 7 days a week, 6 hours a night type of guild. |
16:19.55 | groktar | we ended up raiding 6 nights including 10 mans |
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16:20.30 | groktar | and if you're trying to get bis loot, 10 mans are compulsory |
16:21.07 | sbu | mhh right, but thats okay for SOME people |
16:21.20 | sbu | if you want to do 4-5 raids with 25, its harder to find them |
16:21.26 | Aens|Superiority | groktar: I'd say, unless you are counting alt runs in there, your guild needs better time management. |
16:21.36 | sbu | but its easy to find 25 people for 3 days and 10 people for another 3 more days |
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16:22.00 | groktar | Aens: it's not 6 days anymore |
16:22.28 | groktar | that was when we were trying for top 200 world |
16:23.13 | Aens|Superiority | the guild i'm in raids 2-3 nights a week for 4 hours. Has only h putricide25 and H LK 10/25 left. Its about time management. |
16:23.46 | groktar | yes, and you're way behind us |
16:23.54 | olafski | I like these changes |
16:23.58 | olafski | great idea :) |
16:24.20 | Aens|Superiority | 12/14 is way behind? |
16:24.32 | groktar | well, if you haven't even killed putricide yet... |
16:24.44 | Aens|Superiority | 1 boss. |
16:24.52 | groktar | and we killed that a month ago |
16:24.58 | quiescens | fight~ fight~ fight~ |
16:25.03 | olafski | my gf's guild seems to alternate between 10 and 25 man, whichever they have enough people for.. this way they could combine those and keep progressing rather than have to start from marrowgar twice a week |
16:25.10 | groktar | and are you talking 2-3 days on 25 mans, or 2-3 days on 10mans + 25mans? |
16:25.25 | Aens|Superiority | latter |
16:25.35 | groktar | and that was for the entire time you were in icc? |
16:25.37 | arkanes_ | groktar: with the removal of limited attempts, I doubt the time investment for guilds pursuing world rank kills would really go down tha tmuch |
16:26.10 | Aens|Superiority | groktar: was a 4th day for 10 mans, but those were not compulsory |
16:26.15 | groktar | christ |
16:26.35 | groktar | I NEVER SAID 10 MANS WERE COMPULSORY FOR US |
16:26.58 | groktar | 4 days on 25 mans, 2 days on 10 mans |
16:27.17 | groktar | raiding 3-4 hours on the 25 mans, and about 6 total for the 10 mans |
16:27.41 | Aens|Superiority | so, hypothetically, if one never showed up for 10 mans but still knew the fights in 25, would your guild have no problem with it? |
16:27.48 | groktar | yes |
16:27.52 | Moncai | are localized main pages still used on the site(s)? Or elsewhere for that matter? |
16:27.56 | Aens|Superiority | then thats cool. |
16:28.12 | groktar | you don't need 10 mans to learn a fight |
16:28.26 | Aens|Superiority | 10 attempts a week, it was useful |
16:28.36 | groktar | meh |
16:28.58 | groktar | normal modes were so lol it didn't matter much |
16:29.01 | groktar | up until lk |
16:29.30 | groktar | and also, we were only spending about 1 day on normal modes and then breaking for 10s |
16:29.33 | Gnarfoz | Fisker groktar |
16:30.05 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: think it's /me Fiskers groktar |
16:30.17 | Gnarfoz | no |
16:31.29 | haste | in Norwegian that would be correct (Fisker) that is, probably danish as well |
16:31.47 | Moncai | by main page I mean addon description. Are localized versions still in use somewhere? If not, I don't have to keep updating the translated versions :) |
16:37.37 | sbu | err wtf wait |
16:37.52 | sbu | it says 10+25 are exactly the same loot? |
16:37.54 | sbu | wtf is this shit? |
16:38.00 | sbu | so 25man raids are dead.... |
16:38.01 | quiescens | moo |
16:38.19 | KriLL3 | sbu: might be exactly the same names, but different iLVL and scaled stats etc |
16:38.35 | sbu | no |
16:38.44 | sbu | read the text |
16:38.57 | KriLL3 | which? |
16:39.06 | sbu | 10 and 25-player (Normal difficulty) -- Very similar to one another in difficulty; drop the exact same items as each other |
16:39.38 | KriLL3 | ah |
16:39.49 | groktar | it really depends on how much more loot you get in 25s |
16:40.22 | KriLL3 | I'm not opposed to that notion, 25 people are hard to manage |
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16:41.05 | sbu | groktar: well, i think it will be 10man loot * 2-3 :p |
16:41.25 | KriLL3 | faster gearup would be acceptable in 25man |
16:41.37 | groktar | yeah sbu |
16:41.38 | KriLL3 | I always disliked that 10mans were given worse gear though |
16:41.57 | quiescens | its likely to be 3x or so |
16:42.09 | groktar | 10mans deserved worse gear in wotlk KriLL3 |
16:42.10 | olafski | about the same as it is now I would think |
16:42.16 | KriLL3 | groktar: why? |
16:42.16 | groktar | because they were generally stupid easy |
16:42.19 | quiescens | 2.5 would be expected but they seem to have specified that it will be better than 2.5 |
16:42.28 | groktar | ya quiescens |
16:42.52 | KriLL3 | the difficulty wasn't really different 10 to 25 imo, just the level of entropy |
16:42.58 | nevcairiel | quiescens: cant drop half an item anyway |
16:43.13 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: sure you can, combination items |
16:43.18 | groktar | KriLL3: well your opinion is wrong |
16:43.19 | KriLL3 | half of item X, need 2 to make one |
16:43.20 | haste | Adirelle|work: looks sane enough btw, I would have used numbers instead of strings for visibility tho' |
16:43.25 | quiescens | i'm fairly sure there have been bosses that sometimes drop say 2, and sometimes drop 3 |
16:43.26 | KriLL3 | groktar: what's what she said |
16:43.27 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: its supposed to drop the same loot =p |
16:43.56 | nevcairiel | but going by that rule, a 10 man boss would only drop 1 item, and a 25 man 3 .. or 2 and 6 .. but 6 seems like alot |
16:44.15 | groktar | didn't we get six items from eredar twins? |
16:44.16 | groktar | :D |
16:44.40 | Megalon | they need to inviten half-items! |
16:47.48 | arkanes_ | balancing 10 vs 25 difficulty should be easier with the lessening of raid buffs |
16:47.54 | Aens|Superiority | if you did it reverse... |
16:48.43 | arkanes_ | and of course if they drop the same quality of items from day one you don't end up with the power scaling issue |
16:49.46 | groktar | ya, how much gear would that be deleting? |
16:49.48 | groktar | 1.5 tiers? |
16:50.27 | arkanes_ | right now the raid DPS difference between an exactly stacked 10 man group and any old thing thrown together can be like 2k dps or more per person |
16:50.33 | quiescens | deletes groktar's gear |
16:50.47 | groktar | kek |
16:51.01 | groktar | my gear blows, anyway |
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17:04.11 | wink | nevcairiel: it's probably 2 for 10man and 6-7 for 25 |
17:04.29 | wink | otherwise it would even widen the gap |
17:04.37 | wink | 1 drop per boss in a 10man is ridiculous |
17:04.52 | arkanes_ | they might drop the same ratio of items but bump up badges |
17:04.55 | arkanes_ | that lets them get a sort of "partial item" |
17:05.00 | pentium166 | or two and five? |
17:05.10 | wink | is it 2 and 4 now? |
17:05.11 | arkanes_ | think 2/5 is what its mostly at now, isnt it/ |
17:05.17 | wink | I've not done 25man for so long |
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17:05.24 | arkanes_ | I don't pay much attention to loot |
17:05.40 | pentium166 | i handed out four items i think, in voa 25 |
17:05.51 | pentium166 | that's about the only 25 mans i do regularily |
17:06.14 | nevcairiel | i dont think a default boss drops 4 items |
17:06.34 | groktar | thought icc bosses dropped 3 |
17:06.41 | groktar | 4 if it's a heroic wing boss |
17:06.54 | groktar | with 2 of those being shitty 264 tokens |
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17:07.44 | arkanes_ | 2/5 and 1/2 tokens would be pretty reasonable then |
17:07.58 | wink | yep |
17:08.10 | groktar | would be nice to have things like trinkets actually drop |
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17:08.16 | wink | hehe |
17:08.25 | arkanes_ | that keeps a 1/5 ratio of players to items in both difficulties, and gives double badges |
17:08.38 | wink | my shammy still has Alch stone and the Ancient Pickled Egg |
17:08.40 | arkanes_ | maybe 2/3 badges and double the cost of stuff too |
17:09.01 | arkanes_ | badges give them lots of play on the tuning for how fast you get gear, I understand why they like them |
17:09.04 | groktar | should really be a higher ratio in 25 mans if the difficulty is the same |
17:09.13 | arkanes_ | sure |
17:09.16 | groktar | since it's harder to put 25 together |
17:09.23 | arkanes_ | its not *that* much harder though |
17:09.41 | arkanes_ | 1.5 times as hard sounds pretty reasonable :P |
17:10.08 | quiescens | eh |
17:10.09 | wink | groktar: I don't think logistics are a reasonable measure for loot eligibility |
17:10.21 | arkanes_ | I think they have to be |
17:10.23 | quiescens | i'm sure there have been encounters that are harder with 10 somewhere |
17:10.32 | wink | it's like saying "2 player Super Mario gets better rewards than 1 player"! |
17:10.33 | arkanes_ | because they certainly do matter |
17:10.34 | Repo | 10avr-encounters: 03Allara * r77 / (4 files in 3 directories): - Festergut: Add Vile Gas (drycoded) |
17:10.34 | groktar | 3 drakes |
17:10.36 | Repo | - Putricide: Malleable Goo (All) no longer happens on 10 man normal (drycoded) |
17:10.42 | wink | what? |
17:10.51 | arkanes_ | there's been a few |
17:10.52 | wink | Malleable Goo is AWESOME |
17:11.00 | arkanes_ | wink: the one where it lands on everyone |
17:11.04 | arkanes_ | which is less awesome |
17:11.08 | wink | lol |
17:11.11 | wink | never had that :) |
17:11.17 | arkanes_ | its a hardmode ability |
17:11.18 | wink | still |
17:11.25 | wink | I'd love to do 25man |
17:11.29 | wink | but I like my guild |
17:11.41 | wink | so why do I have to pass on loot |
17:11.43 | arkanes_ | I've done plenty of both 10s and 25s, I prefer the 10 format |
17:11.51 | groktar | if you're going to gear up just as fast in 10 mans, and they're even marginally easier then there's no point in 25s |
17:11.53 | wink | I don't see 25 player content being harder in wotlk |
17:11.57 | arkanes_ | I dont find 25s to be generally harder |
17:12.04 | groktar | then nobody will bother with 25s |
17:12.13 | wink | the 25man guilds will |
17:12.20 | arkanes_ | wink: it varies based on the encounters |
17:12.21 | chiper | you guys are probably playing with much more competent raiders -.- |
17:12.25 | groktar | why would there be 25 man guilds? |
17:12.34 | arkanes_ | I wouldnt' cry if 25 man raiding vanished entirely |
17:12.39 | Adirelle | because they already exist, groktar |
17:12.39 | wink | i would |
17:12.46 | wink | 10man is just a turned up heroic |
17:12.50 | wink | 25man is a team |
17:12.54 | arkanes_ | so's a 25 :P |
17:13.02 | chiper | " 25-player versions will drop a higher quantity of loot per player (items, but also badges, and even gold), making it a more efficient route if you're able to gather the people" |
17:13.16 | groktar | remember, everything gets blown up when an expansion hits |
17:13.20 | arkanes_ | I dont know if thats really enough to get people to keep doing 25s |
17:13.23 | chiper | sounds to me like you have a better chance of upgrading if you do 25s |
17:13.34 | arkanes_ | but I'm not super worried about it |
17:13.35 | wink | I know, 25 should have unique rewards |
17:13.42 | arkanes_ | people were upset when 40 man raids went away |
17:13.45 | arkanes_ | but they got over it |
17:13.47 | wink | but it's just unfair if you look at 251 vs 264 gear |
17:13.55 | Adirelle | chiper, well, unless loots are only 2.5 times bigger |
17:14.02 | wink | IMHO they're not doing much harder stuff, as a raid in general |
17:14.06 | arkanes_ | Adirelle: I'm sure they're talking about the ratio |
17:14.06 | wink | only the people organizing it |
17:14.25 | wink | but they faceroll 10man content in their gear |
17:14.26 | arkanes_ | Adirelle: right now, theres a lower item/raid member ratio in 25s |
17:14.37 | chiper | what I'm wondering is if you can switch back and forth between 10 man and 25 on the same lockout. so you could do the first 4 bosses on 10 man, and then the next night if enough people show up you could do 25 |
17:14.47 | arkanes_ | chiper: thats an interesting idea |
17:14.58 | arkanes_ | I'd guess no, but it is interesting |
17:14.59 | Adirelle | chiper, I don't think this is the c ase |
17:15.08 | groktar | it makes sense to me |
17:15.14 | Adirelle | well, I meant : I think this isn't the case |
17:15.16 | groktar | it would be like switching from normal to heroic |
17:15.20 | chiper | Adirelle: my take on it was that 10 man will drop 2-3 items and 25 will drop 6-8 |
17:15.22 | arkanes_ | oh sure, it could work |
17:17.06 | arkanes_ | you'd see people pulling in their alts and social members for lootboat style and farm content, then back down to 10 man for their "real" core |
17:17.17 | arkanes_ | I don't know if I think thats bad or not |
17:17.25 | chiper | I dont consider that bad at all |
17:17.39 | chiper | but I have 6 raiding alts :P |
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17:22.58 | groktar | ~kill Repo |
17:22.59 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxmeson gun at Repo |
17:23.09 | groktar | ~botsnack |
17:23.09 | purl | thanks, groktar |
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18:44.39 | Stanzilla | hnnng |
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18:44.50 | Stanzilla | c-c-c-c-combobreaker |
18:45.56 | nevcairiel | stupid modular shit |
18:47.03 | Megalon | i see one module missing |
18:47.08 | Megalon | tweakhub_tweakhubtweaks |
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19:07.33 | Gnarfoz | oh my |
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19:18.00 | dracula | I'm trying to make a .pkgmeta, but how do I find / lookup the location of all these Ace Libraries? |
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19:25.13 | Repo | 10avr-encounters: 03Allara * r78 / (11 files in 5 directories): |
19:25.29 | Repo | - Encounter options will no longer appear if the corresponding module is disabled |
19:25.30 | Repo | - Version checker now reports which players aren't using the addon |
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19:38.22 | Repo | 10avr-encounters: 03Allara * r79 Core.lua: - Version checker won't list offline players |
19:38.40 | Repo | 10avr-encounters: 03Allara 04r79-beta * r80 : Tagging as r79-beta |
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19:40.44 | Repo | 10tweakhub: 03Speeddymon 04v2.0.2-2 * r102 : Tagging as v2.0.2-2 |
19:40.47 | Fisker | NO! |
19:40.53 | Fisker | BAD speeddymon |
19:40.53 | SunTsu | wtf? |
19:40.54 | Fisker | BAD! |
19:41.10 | renchap | go speeddymon, go ! |
19:41.14 | renchap | we want more tagging |
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19:45.40 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r303 / (6 files in 1 directory): Fix issue where text colors weren't being saved. |
19:45.41 | Repo | Added a config option for changing the waypoint text and drop shadow colors. |
19:45.42 | Repo | Started adding more debug abilities, like the ability to push bugs into BugGrabber. (Not currently working) |
19:45.44 | Repo | Fix dry coded bug ticket 27. |
19:45.54 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.9.18-beta * r304 : Tagging as v0.9.18-beta |
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19:46.47 | Megalon | tags Fisker as fisktard |
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19:55.36 | dracula | or do I actually upload the AceAddon, AceConsole, AceEvent, etc... to my repository? |
19:56.02 | Stanzilla | nono |
19:56.27 | Stanzilla | just look at a pkgmeta of some other ace3 addon |
19:56.29 | Stanzilla | quartz or so |
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20:07.54 | dracula | but isn't there some way to browse the libraries? |
20:08.40 | wink | pokes dracula |
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20:08.44 | wink | what addon? :) |
20:09.01 | dracula | you, focus! |
20:09.09 | wink | haha |
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20:10.02 | dracula | can't imagine everyone is hunting for some Ace3 addon that uses the same libs... or guessing repository tags... |
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20:11.34 | NivFreak | dracula: there is a faq page somewhere with them listed |
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20:13.15 | dracula | somehow I suspected there was :) |
20:14.00 | NivFreak | I'm not finding it quickly though, but I had to look them up recently ;) |
20:15.04 | NivFreak | you could always just pull the pkgmeta for something like ARL though |
20:15.05 | nevcairiel | you can just get the path from the svn repository too |
20:15.08 | NivFreak | and use it as an example |
20:15.50 | haste | Adirelle: you need to stop making patches on the 1.3 branch :P |
20:16.17 | NivFreak | I think i was using this as reference (old) |
20:16.18 | NivFreak | http://forums.curseforge.com/showthread.php?t=84 |
20:16.37 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Maybe you could remove birthday greetings to Kaelten from topic now, it's ove for quite some days now, and I seriously doubt that his birthday really lasts that long |
20:16.47 | dracula | I found some ace2 addon and replaced every 3 with a 2 |
20:17.05 | dracula | so back to example hunting, and path guessing ;) |
20:17.13 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: we only replace the topic when something new comes up! |
20:17.26 | dracula | oh that thread actually contains a nice list |
20:17.27 | NivFreak | dracula: read that link |
20:17.28 | NivFreak | yea |
20:17.31 | Fisker | haste |
20:17.33 | Fisker | i farted ;( |
20:17.35 | NivFreak | and it tells you the format for the rest |
20:18.22 | dracula | nice reference, thx |
20:18.29 | NivFreak | np |
20:18.44 | NivFreak | someone really should put that in the pkg meta howto |
20:18.49 | NivFreak | with the base ace3 libs |
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20:21.55 | nevcairiel | dracula: just look at the library you want, and browse its repository, its not hard =p |
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20:22.33 | ThiefMaster | saurfang 10 hc.. possible with 3 healers (we have no pally healer)? |
20:23.16 | NivFreak | it'll be rough |
20:23.43 | NivFreak | we ended up swapping out one of our healers for a holy pally to get it done |
20:23.44 | dracula | the repository path was exactly what I was looking for, but the forum thread solved it |
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20:32.53 | haste | Adirelle: I pushd a experimental branch with your code |
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21:01.39 | orionshock | whats the console command to fix the permissions on the wow folder? |
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21:08.27 | koaschten | uhm am i think i am missing something, but can you show hp bars for tombs on sindragos? |
21:08.55 | Groktard | OMG |
21:09.15 | Groktard | comma delimited lists in sql database :( |
21:09.33 | haste | orionshock: chown |
21:09.36 | koaschten | hostile doesnt show it, and friendly shows players and pets/totems |
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21:11.36 | CrazyBenny_ | Groktard: DB is best storage for CSVs ! |
21:13.13 | orionshock | grrr.. |
21:13.27 | orionshock | im getting #132 error crash now on wow... |
21:13.33 | orionshock | i just reinstalled the btch |
21:14.50 | NivFreak | bad disk/cables? |
21:14.50 | CrazyBenny_ | orionshock: I was getting 132s because of broken RAM module, so might be hardware related |
21:15.19 | orionshock | not likely |
21:15.44 | orionshock | wow was working just fine, granted that was before i replaced the HD |
21:16.37 | NeoTron | http://asset.soup.io/asset/0801/2219_904e.jpeg |
21:18.00 | orionshock | however, i didn't install the nvidia drivers yet, only got distro ones |
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21:21.14 | orionshock | there we go |
21:21.25 | orionshock | updated to latest nvidia drivers & back to normal.. |
21:21.30 | orionshock | no to rebuild my ui >.> |
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21:38.20 | dracula | shouldn't AceEvents depend on CallbackHandler ? |
21:40.30 | nevcairiel | it does |
21:42.10 | dracula | yes true, so if I use AceEvents, I should include the CallbackHandler in my .pkgmeta, it's not packaged along with AceEvents |
21:42.22 | Primer | orionshock: what happened? |
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21:59.43 | orionshock | Primer, reinstalling linux from a HD upgrade and all the joys that go with it |
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22:27.58 | Adirelle | haste, the experimental branch is based on 1.4 ? |
22:29.21 | Repo | 10postman: 03Speeddymon * r40 / (2 files in 1 directory): Bump TOC |
22:29.34 | Repo | Switch to keywords |
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22:30.01 | Adirelle | haste, nvm, found the right git command |
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