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00:42.59Repo10massmailer: 03turle001 * r12 / (2 files in 2 directories):
00:43.13Repo-- Fixed an error caused by not clicking "Okay" when creating a new group.
00:43.15Repo-- Updated status texts
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01:52.14RepoKnowledge base page update: http://kb.wowace.com/repositories/tortoise-hg-as-an-svn-client/ by sylvanaar
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04:15.45SilowyiAnyone have experience with Amazon EC2?
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06:07.03orionshock<3 linux...
06:08.06orionshockfor 9/10 things it's just easier to work with than xp :)    had to reinstall Ubuntu today. I installed xChat  & grabbed my old ~/.xChat2 folder from the old install and into the new one. Open and BOOM back to normal
06:12.44SunTsuorionshock: I have my critical config files in git, which is backupped, so I can a) spread my configs to all of my accounts abd b) am back in business real fast
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06:27.27orionshockSunTsu, it's a nice design that linux has over windows. not sure if mac is setup the same way
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06:35.18SunTsuorionshock: I neither don't know, never had MacOS, never will
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06:35.53orionshockhehe
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06:37.39orionshockhehe, they had their moments... like switching to Darwin / BSD as their core OS, and using PowerPC proc's. But the move to x86 and the recent stick up their ass is no good
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06:38.53SunTsuI don't like their way of handling security and vulnerabilities
06:40.31SunTsuOn a side note, looks like Kaelten is the only person I ever met who has birthday on more than one consecutive day
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06:42.22orionshockSunTsu, im not sure how to understand that idea... & how did he manage to be that way ?
06:42.28orionshockis confused
06:46.50SunTsuorionshock: Just look at the topic and when it was set ;)
06:47.28orionshocklol :)
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07:05.14wink@project pokedex
07:05.16Repo10pokedex: 03stencil 04Release v3.3.09 * r68 : Tagging as Release v3.3.09
07:05.19Repowink: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pokedex/. Pokedex. Game: WoW. stencil (Manager/Author). Updated: 7 days ago. Tickets: 1/3
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07:56.45Arrowmasterorionshock, SunTsu: sadly linux is moving away from the easy config, crap like gconf-2 is a nightmare for me
07:57.18orionshockArrowmaster, it's growing pains tbh
07:57.38hastegrowing pains that have lasted since gnome 2.0!
07:57.40orionshockthe release of vista and 7 hated on linux to the masses movement
07:57.51hastealso, gconf is just an interface to the file system
07:57.59hastewhich contsists of XML files
07:58.10Arrowmasterits still a pain
07:58.14hastethey're even indented correctly for human editing
08:01.35orionshockhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/194935/ YouTube doing video rental ?
08:01.49orionshockhttp://www.youtube.com/store
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08:02.45SunTsuArrowmaster: yeah, I know, still all that gconf-Stuff is getting stored into your $HOME
08:03.33hasteI also don't think gconf will take over the world of linux
08:03.42hasteplenty of devs that hate it with a passion still :p
08:03.50SunTsuArrowmaster: tbh, I don't care much about gconf, because all I need is my shell, my editor, my mua and I'm ready to go
08:04.03Arrowmasterno but kde has their own version of something similar
08:04.15Arrowmasterand even xfce does now i think
08:04.56hastethe KDE configs aren't too bad at least
08:05.07hasteso you don't really need to dig into the config files
08:05.20Arrowmasterthats a plus i guess
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08:05.40Arrowmastergconf doesnt seem to have a way to delete anything from the gui
08:05.45hastegnome on the other hand requires quite a lot of gconf digging :V
08:06.28Arrowmasteri only use two Qt apps and everything else is mostly GTK+ so i doubt ill be using kde anytime soon
08:06.47hastemy father uses KDE
08:06.54hastewhich is why I have some experience with it
08:07.02hasteI use wmii and dwm myself
08:07.31hasteright now I don't use any Qt apps
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08:08.02hasteI do hope that digikam will become more sane soon
08:08.07hasterunning picasa under wine is such a pita
08:08.16SunTsuhaste: I use KDE, too, since 4.3.x it's lightning fast
08:08.36hasteyeah, I'm pretty surprised with it myself
08:08.58hasteI've been a GNOME fan since they pushed out 2.04 or so
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08:09.07hastebut lately KDE seems to be doing some correctly
08:09.38Arrowmastergnome seems to be doing a lot of things wrong lately
08:09.45hasteI'm still not too much of a fan of Qt, at least as a UI toolkit
08:09.53Arrowmastersame
08:09.57hasteyeh, still lots of good GTK apps tho'
08:10.06hasteQt apps seem to fail so hard at usability
08:10.16hasteglares at digikam.
08:10.27SunTsuhaste: I really don't care about the WM/DE, I hardly notice what I'm using with shells fullscreen
08:10.34Arrowmasteri want to know what fucking idiot thought it was a good idea to remove the hex,dec,oct,bin buttons from gcalc
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08:10.41hastedid you see I use dwm/wmii SunTsu :P ?
08:10.57hasteis a terminal/console-whore
08:11.06SunTsuhaste: I used to use larswm
08:11.48hasteI've been swapping around WMs for several years now
08:12.03hastebut lately I always come back to wmii (for my desktop) and dwm (for my laptop)
08:16.49SunTsuI'm at KDE now, and I stay just because I set it up the way it suits me. Could be any other WM, though, I really don't pay attention much
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08:17.52Arrowmasteryeah im using gnome now but mostly trying to just ignore it
08:18.00olafskiworld of tanks would definitely give a new meaning to tankspot.com .. :o
08:19.22SunTsuI used Gnome before KDE, but it felt too slow
08:28.12hasteI've used most WMs afaik :P
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08:31.18Arrowmasterhaste: so then tell me if im just crazy or this problem im having is a feature of something
08:31.58SunTsuI'm too lazy to switch WMs much, too much work to configure them the way I like it
08:32.27Arrowmastermouse actions happen on both mouse down and mouse up, for example right clicking (in ANY application or on the desktop) will open the menu on the down and then execute whatever the pointer is over on the up click
08:32.50Arrowmasterfucking driving me insane for half a year
08:33.40Arrowmasteri dont know if its Xorg or GNOME/Metacity or what
08:34.54quiescensmoo
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08:36.39hasteArrowmaster: can't say I've experienced that :p
08:36.40Repo10rswapper3: 03x87bliss * r87 / (5 files in 2 directories):  (Message trimmed by 3 lines)
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08:36.42Repov3.3.3.17
08:36.43RepoNote: 3.3.3.x is a complete rewrite for WoW v3.3 support. Likely many bugs need finding and squashing.
08:36.44RepoAdded: Partial German localization, thanks RogueChromie.
08:36.45RepoAdded: Data Broker object now has a new icon which changes depending on RSwapper3's status. Generally it shows the current Main Hand weapon icon.
08:36.53Repo10rswapper3: 03x87bliss 04v3.3.3.17 * r88 : Tagging as v3.3.3.17
08:37.11hasteArrowmaster: you click, notice that it's the wrong action, move the cursor away and it will click whatever you are hovering at that point?
08:39.01Arrowmasterthe down opens the menu and the up clicks whatever the cursor is over, if the mouse is absolutely still when i right click and not really close the the edge of the screen it wont have anything under it to click since it will be right on the border of the menu
08:39.22Arrowmasterbut if it just barely moves between the down and up click it will activate something
08:39.45quiescensblame haste
08:39.46quiescensnodnod
08:39.56Arrowmasterso ive been forcing myself to hold the button down and release it over what i want to activate
08:41.12hastewth
08:41.24hasteI can't say I've experienced that behaviour on GTK/Qt
08:41.50hastesounds pretty painful tho' :P
08:42.05Arrowmastermaybe its metacity, but i thought it was still happening when i was crazy and using compiz
08:42.38hastemight be some insane setting you have
08:42.54hasteI can't say I have that behavior myself, but I also don't have any GTK apps to test it on right now
08:43.03Arrowmasterit was the default!
08:43.34TorhalArrowmaster: Sounds like Emacs. Drives me batshit.
08:44.22Arrowmasteremacs drives you batshit or something more specific to the issue im having?
08:44.39hasteArrowmaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/320259 same issue?
08:44.39TorhalArrowmaster: The GUI menus in Emacs behave as you described.
08:45.02hasteI don't have that in Quod Libet and Firefox at home at least Arrowmaster
08:45.10hastewhich are two of the few GTK apps I have :p
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08:45.50TorhalThough I remember other things behaving that way in X in the 90s, so maybe it's a holdover
08:45.57Arrowmasterhaste: you must be god with a search engine or something, i could never fucking find anything
08:46.05Arrowmasterthats the exact issue
08:47.22hasteI can't really say I've experienced it in years myself :P
08:47.41hasteactually, I can do it with chrome
08:47.46quiescensyou..
08:47.47hasteif I right-click and hold it happens
08:47.51quiescensshould be able to do it with anything
08:47.52hasteif I right-click normally it doesn't
08:48.08hastequiescens: I have two GTK apps on my home computer :P
08:48.11quiescensbecause its working as designed o.o
08:48.15Arrowmastertry right clicking while moving the mouse
08:48.30hastejust right-click and release :P
08:50.21Arrowmastermy mouse is really sensitive, and just moving 1px triggers it, i seriously dont know how people can stand it
08:50.47orionshockdrop your mouse sensitivity and click speed back to normal
08:51.19Arrowmasterim used to this sensitivity
08:54.18olafskiit takes a remarkable short time to get used to another sensitivity :P
08:54.31orionshockfinally after crashing at 80% wow is fully downloaded and installing at 33%
08:54.36orionshock2 hrs later..
08:54.42olafskifor me anyways.. I switched them around when I still played FPS on my pc a lot
08:54.53quiescenssekretly corrupts an mpq or two for orionshock
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08:56.43orionshockhires hit squad to take out quiescens at a distance
08:57.05quiescensso violent o.o
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08:59.35Adirelle|workhaste, would it be possible to tweak ouf aura element so it tries always to display the maximum number of auras, even if some of them are filtered out ?
09:00.24hasteAdirelle|work: everything is possible, but such a tweak would require all the internal loops to be changed
09:00.55Adirelle|workyes, I know, I'm looking at it right now
09:01.14hasteI also want to push out 1.4 this month, which is looking more and more like impossible as people are excellent at asking for features and bringing up issues just now
09:01.19hastelike you do now :D
09:01.36hastea change like that would require a API bumpa anyway
09:01.40orionshockquiescens, i've downloaded ~10-15gb worth of updates over the last 3 hrs... my ISP Hates me atm already :)  lucky for me it's 2am here and im in a neighborhood that mostly can't afford internet
09:01.52Adirelle|workwell, once you pushed out 1.4, i'll be to busy to update my code to ask for new features xD
09:02.11Adirelle|workand I don't thing that would change the API
09:02.20Adirelle|works/thing/think/
09:02.27hastep3lim wants support for aura spacing in x/y, and some other crap that makes no sense
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09:02.50hasteit would change the behavior of the aura element
09:03.11Adirelle|workit would just always display 12 icons when you asked for 12 icons and at least 12 of the unit auras weren't filtered out
09:03.32hastebut I need to go AFK now
09:03.37hasteso brb 1h or so :p
09:03.49Adirelle|workok
09:04.09Adirelle|workATM, if 3 of the first 12 auras are filtered out, it would only display 9 icons, even if the unit had 20 auras
09:07.20quiescenswho has 20 auras anyway!
09:07.36industrialthe bad guy
09:07.36Adirelle|workraid bosses ? :p
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09:07.48industrialwho cares about 20auras anyway
09:08.12quiescensin our day we had like 16 or something
09:08.21industrialI only show 10 and dont even care about any of those or any of my own that auto apply when I dps, eg bleeds shadow mastery etc
09:08.42industrialI just care about my .. sting or flame shock etc :>
09:13.11Adirelle|workindustrial, actually I use InlineAura to watch my own buffs/debuffs
09:13.27Adirelle|workbut showing things you can dispell can be usefull too
09:14.14industrialI'd color the frame background for that instead, but thats taste =)
09:14.32Adirelle|workwon't work on targets
09:14.45industrialwhy not
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09:15.09Adirelle|workbecause I'll have to add frame background coloring
09:15.13Adirelle|workand that's taste :p
09:15.23industrial^^
09:16.27Adirelle|workanyway there's a few cases you'd like to see your own special debuffs, though these are old encounters (malygos, leviathan)
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13:02.23*** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://paste.wowace.com | http://lua.org | Curse Client v4: http://www.curse.com/client | WoWInterface Minion: http://minion.mmoui.com/ | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23 | Happy Birthday Kaelten!
13:02.36quiescenstrips zyn
13:08.12SunTsuAny doctor here? Any Spin doctor here?
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13:22.57phyberslightly offtopic, but anyone got a good example of reading from a pipe in Lua with the posix stuff?  not with posix.popen(), but with posix.fork() and posix.exec(), etc.
13:23.02phybergoogle-fu fails me today.
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13:23.50Kalrothphyber: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1242572/how-do-you-construct-a-read-write-pipe-with-lua
13:25.09phyberI've been looking at that page, but it doesn't work for what i want.  for some reason, i cannot just get reading from a pipe working.
13:25.23phybercopy/pastas somewhere
13:25.32KalrothWell the first answer says: "There is nothing in the Lua standard library to allow this."
13:25.37KalrothMaybe that's the issue?
13:26.31phybermy .exec just doesn't seem to be writing to stdout, i'm clearly being stupid somewhere.
13:26.37phyberif i write to the pipe directly, it works.
13:26.38phyberhttp://lua.pastey.net/135722-34hw
13:27.03phyberlike, if instead of posix.exec(whatever), I do.. wr:write("wibble"), I can read it just fine.
13:31.03KalrothYes, I think the stackoverflow page is saying just that
13:31.20Kalrothposix.exec() doesn't support pipes directly
13:31.27Kalrothor something :p
13:32.22Kalrothalso I don't think you could call io.flush() after you call posix.exec(), but I might be mistaken
13:33.06phyberyeah, i probably don't have to.  i got to the stage of just randomly changing things though
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16:03.18SilowyiOk so
16:03.29SilowyiI'm reading this "raid progression changes" thing Netheara put out
16:03.44Silowyiand all I'm seeing is "we're killing off 25 man raiding. Sorry guys!" lol
16:03.48Silowyi(which is fine by me!)
16:04.53arkanes_yay sounds good to me
16:05.39arkanes_its a little sad that 10 and 25 will share a lockout, though, because it cuts the amount of raiding I can do in a week via pugs and stuff down
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16:11.10Stanzillathat's like the biggest bullshit they've ever done
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16:13.07SunTsuThe really stupid part is "Hey, if you get that much people together, you'll get more stuff" - yeah, I'll get more stuff if I do 2 or 3 10 men raids, thanks
16:13.26groktari might raid again with the changes
16:13.59groktari hated having to do both 10 and 25 mans
16:14.44arkanes_well, its not like you can choose to do 2 10 man raids or 1 25 man one
16:14.50arkanes_especially since they'll share a lockout
16:15.06groktarye
16:15.38groktarspending 4 days on 25 man hard modes and then having to go to 10 mans because there's one stupid piece of loot there for my bis was awful
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16:18.51sbubah, no more 10man? sucks :(
16:18.57Aens|Superioritygroktar: I find that most guilds as it is now, only use the 10 mans to learn content, not run as a compulsory.
16:19.16Aens|Superiorityunless we're talking about the raid 7 days a week, 6 hours a night type of guild.
16:19.55groktarwe ended up raiding 6 nights including 10 mans
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16:20.30groktarand if you're trying to get bis loot, 10 mans are compulsory
16:21.07sbumhh right, but thats okay for SOME people
16:21.20sbuif you want to do 4-5 raids with 25, its harder to find them
16:21.26Aens|Superioritygroktar: I'd say, unless you are counting alt runs in there, your guild needs better time management.
16:21.36sbubut its easy to find 25 people for 3 days and 10 people for another 3 more days
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16:22.00groktarAens: it's not 6 days anymore
16:22.28groktarthat was when we were trying for top 200 world
16:23.13Aens|Superioritythe guild i'm in raids 2-3 nights a week for 4 hours. Has only h putricide25 and H LK 10/25 left. Its about time management.
16:23.46groktaryes, and you're way behind us
16:23.54olafskiI like these changes
16:23.58olafskigreat idea :)
16:24.20Aens|Superiority12/14 is way behind?
16:24.32groktarwell, if you haven't even killed putricide yet...
16:24.44Aens|Superiority1 boss.
16:24.52groktarand we killed that a month ago
16:24.58quiescensfight~ fight~ fight~
16:25.03olafskimy gf's guild seems to alternate between 10 and 25 man, whichever they have enough people for.. this way they could combine those and keep progressing rather than have to start from marrowgar twice a week
16:25.10groktarand are you talking 2-3 days on 25 mans, or 2-3 days on 10mans + 25mans?
16:25.25Aens|Superioritylatter
16:25.35groktarand that was for the entire time you were in icc?
16:25.37arkanes_groktar: with the removal of limited attempts, I doubt the time investment for guilds pursuing world rank kills would really go down tha tmuch
16:26.10Aens|Superioritygroktar: was a 4th day for 10 mans, but those were not compulsory
16:26.15groktarchrist
16:26.35groktarI NEVER SAID 10 MANS WERE COMPULSORY FOR US
16:26.58groktar4 days on 25 mans, 2 days on 10 mans
16:27.17groktarraiding 3-4 hours on the 25 mans, and about 6 total for the 10 mans
16:27.41Aens|Superiorityso, hypothetically, if one never showed up for 10 mans but still knew the fights in 25, would your guild have no problem with it?
16:27.48groktaryes
16:27.52Moncaiare localized main pages still used on the site(s)? Or elsewhere for that matter?
16:27.56Aens|Superioritythen thats cool.
16:28.12groktaryou don't need 10 mans to learn a fight
16:28.26Aens|Superiority10 attempts a week, it was useful
16:28.36groktarmeh
16:28.58groktarnormal modes were so lol it didn't matter much
16:29.01groktarup until lk
16:29.30groktarand also, we were only spending about 1 day on normal modes and then breaking for 10s
16:29.33GnarfozFisker groktar
16:30.05KriLL3Gnarfoz: think it's /me Fiskers groktar
16:30.17Gnarfozno
16:31.29hastein Norwegian that would be correct (Fisker) that is, probably danish as well
16:31.47Moncaiby main page I mean addon description. Are localized versions still in use somewhere? If not, I don't have to keep updating the translated versions :)
16:37.37sbuerr wtf wait
16:37.52sbuit says 10+25 are exactly the same loot?
16:37.54sbuwtf is this shit?
16:38.00sbuso 25man raids are dead....
16:38.01quiescensmoo
16:38.19KriLL3sbu: might be exactly the same names, but different iLVL and scaled stats etc
16:38.35sbuno
16:38.44sburead the text
16:38.57KriLL3which?
16:39.06sbu10 and 25-player (Normal difficulty) -- Very similar to one another in difficulty; drop the exact same items as each other
16:39.38KriLL3ah
16:39.49groktarit really depends on how much more loot you get in 25s
16:40.22KriLL3I'm not opposed to that notion, 25 people are hard to manage
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16:41.05sbugroktar: well, i think it will be 10man loot * 2-3 :p
16:41.25KriLL3faster gearup would be acceptable in 25man
16:41.37groktaryeah sbu
16:41.38KriLL3I always disliked that 10mans were given worse gear though
16:41.57quiescensits likely to be 3x or so
16:42.09groktar10mans deserved worse gear in wotlk KriLL3
16:42.10olafskiabout the same as it is now I would think
16:42.16KriLL3groktar: why?
16:42.16groktarbecause they were generally stupid easy
16:42.19quiescens2.5 would be expected but they seem to have specified that it will be better than 2.5
16:42.28groktarya quiescens
16:42.52KriLL3the difficulty wasn't really different 10 to 25 imo, just the level of entropy
16:42.58nevcairielquiescens: cant drop half an item anyway
16:43.13KriLL3nevcairiel: sure you can, combination items
16:43.18groktarKriLL3: well your opinion is wrong
16:43.19KriLL3half of item X, need 2 to make one
16:43.20hasteAdirelle|work: looks sane enough btw, I would have used numbers instead of strings for visibility tho'
16:43.25quiescensi'm fairly sure there have been bosses that sometimes drop say 2, and sometimes drop 3
16:43.26KriLL3groktar: what's what she said
16:43.27nevcairielKriLL3: its supposed to drop the same loot =p
16:43.56nevcairielbut going by that rule, a 10 man boss would only drop 1 item, and a 25 man 3 .. or 2 and 6 .. but 6 seems like alot
16:44.15groktardidn't we get six items from eredar twins?
16:44.16groktar:D
16:44.40Megalonthey need to inviten half-items!
16:47.48arkanes_balancing 10 vs 25 difficulty should be easier with the lessening of raid buffs
16:47.54Aens|Superiorityif you did it reverse...
16:48.43arkanes_and of course if they drop the same quality of items from day one you don't end up with the power scaling issue
16:49.46groktarya, how much gear would that be deleting?
16:49.48groktar1.5 tiers?
16:50.27arkanes_right now the raid DPS difference between an exactly stacked 10 man group and any old thing thrown together can be like 2k dps or more per person
16:50.33quiescensdeletes groktar's gear
16:50.47groktarkek
16:51.01groktarmy gear blows, anyway
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17:04.11winknevcairiel: it's probably 2 for 10man and 6-7 for 25
17:04.29winkotherwise it would even widen the gap
17:04.37wink1 drop per boss in a 10man is ridiculous
17:04.52arkanes_they might drop the same ratio of items but bump up badges
17:04.55arkanes_that lets them get a sort of "partial item"
17:05.00pentium166or two and five?
17:05.10winkis it 2 and 4 now?
17:05.11arkanes_think 2/5 is what its mostly at now, isnt it/
17:05.17winkI've not done 25man for so long
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17:05.24arkanes_I don't pay much attention to loot
17:05.40pentium166i handed out four items i think, in voa 25
17:05.51pentium166that's about the only 25 mans i do regularily
17:06.14nevcairieli dont think a default boss drops 4 items
17:06.34groktarthought icc bosses dropped 3
17:06.41groktar4 if it's a heroic wing boss
17:06.54groktarwith 2 of those being shitty 264 tokens
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17:07.44arkanes_2/5 and 1/2 tokens would be pretty reasonable then
17:07.58winkyep
17:08.10groktarwould be nice to have things like trinkets actually drop
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17:08.16winkhehe
17:08.25arkanes_that keeps a 1/5 ratio of players to items in both difficulties, and gives double badges
17:08.38winkmy shammy still has Alch stone and the Ancient Pickled Egg
17:08.40arkanes_maybe 2/3 badges and double the cost of stuff too
17:09.01arkanes_badges give them lots of play on the tuning for how fast you get gear, I understand why they like them
17:09.04groktarshould really be a higher ratio in 25 mans if the difficulty is the same
17:09.13arkanes_sure
17:09.16groktarsince it's harder to put 25 together
17:09.23arkanes_its not *that* much harder though
17:09.41arkanes_1.5 times as hard sounds pretty reasonable :P
17:10.08quiescenseh
17:10.09winkgroktar: I don't think logistics are a reasonable measure for loot eligibility
17:10.21arkanes_I think they have to be
17:10.23quiescensi'm sure there have been encounters that are harder with 10 somewhere
17:10.32winkit's like saying "2 player Super Mario gets better rewards than 1 player"!
17:10.33arkanes_because they certainly do matter
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17:10.34groktar3 drakes
17:10.36Repo- Putricide: Malleable Goo (All) no longer happens on 10 man normal (drycoded)
17:10.42winkwhat?
17:10.51arkanes_there's been a few
17:10.52winkMalleable Goo is AWESOME
17:11.00arkanes_wink: the one where it lands on everyone
17:11.04arkanes_which is less awesome
17:11.08winklol
17:11.11winknever had that :)
17:11.17arkanes_its a hardmode ability
17:11.18winkstill
17:11.25winkI'd love to do 25man
17:11.29winkbut I like my guild
17:11.41winkso why do I have to pass on loot
17:11.43arkanes_I've done plenty of both 10s and 25s, I prefer the 10 format
17:11.51groktarif you're going to gear up just as fast in 10 mans, and they're even marginally easier then there's no point in 25s
17:11.53winkI don't see 25 player content being harder in wotlk
17:11.57arkanes_I dont find 25s to be generally harder
17:12.04groktarthen nobody will bother with 25s
17:12.13winkthe 25man guilds will
17:12.20arkanes_wink: it varies based on the encounters
17:12.21chiperyou guys are probably playing with much more competent raiders -.-
17:12.25groktarwhy would there be 25 man guilds?
17:12.34arkanes_I wouldnt' cry if 25 man raiding vanished entirely
17:12.39Adirellebecause they already exist, groktar
17:12.39winki would
17:12.46wink10man is just a turned up heroic
17:12.50wink25man is a team
17:12.54arkanes_so's a 25 :P
17:13.02chiper" 25-player versions will drop a higher quantity of loot per player (items, but also badges, and even gold), making it a more efficient route if you're able to gather the people"
17:13.16groktarremember, everything gets blown up when an expansion hits
17:13.20arkanes_I dont know if thats really enough to get people to keep doing 25s
17:13.23chipersounds to me like you have a better chance of upgrading if you do 25s
17:13.34arkanes_but I'm not super worried about it
17:13.35winkI know, 25 should have unique rewards
17:13.42arkanes_people were upset when 40 man raids went away
17:13.45arkanes_but they got over it
17:13.47winkbut it's just unfair if you look at 251 vs 264 gear
17:13.55Adirellechiper, well, unless loots are only 2.5 times bigger
17:14.02winkIMHO they're not doing much harder stuff, as a raid in general
17:14.06arkanes_Adirelle: I'm sure they're talking about the ratio
17:14.06winkonly the people organizing it
17:14.25winkbut they faceroll 10man content in their gear
17:14.26arkanes_Adirelle: right now, theres a lower item/raid member ratio in 25s
17:14.37chiperwhat I'm wondering is if you can switch back and forth between 10 man and 25 on the same lockout.  so you could do the first 4 bosses on 10 man, and then the next night if enough people show up you could do 25
17:14.47arkanes_chiper: thats an interesting idea
17:14.58arkanes_I'd guess no, but it is interesting
17:14.59Adirellechiper, I don't think this is the c ase
17:15.08groktarit makes sense to me
17:15.14Adirellewell, I meant : I think this isn't the case
17:15.16groktarit would be like switching from normal to heroic
17:15.20chiperAdirelle: my take on it was that 10 man will drop 2-3 items and 25 will drop 6-8
17:15.22arkanes_oh sure, it could work
17:17.06arkanes_you'd see people pulling in their alts and social members for lootboat style and farm content, then back down to 10 man for their "real" core
17:17.17arkanes_I don't know if I think thats bad or not
17:17.25chiperI dont consider that bad at all
17:17.39chiperbut I have 6 raiding alts :P
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19:25.29Repo- Encounter options will no longer appear if the corresponding module is disabled
19:25.30Repo- Version checker now reports which players aren't using the addon
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19:38.22Repo10avr-encounters: 03Allara * r79 Core.lua: - Version checker won't list offline players
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19:40.44Repo10tweakhub: 03Speeddymon 04v2.0.2-2 * r102 : Tagging as v2.0.2-2
19:40.47FiskerNO!
19:40.53FiskerBAD speeddymon
19:40.53SunTsuwtf?
19:40.54FiskerBAD!
19:41.10renchapgo speeddymon, go !
19:41.14renchapwe want more tagging
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19:45.40Repo10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r303 / (6 files in 1 directory): Fix issue where text colors weren't being saved.
19:45.41RepoAdded a config option for changing the waypoint text and drop shadow colors.
19:45.42RepoStarted adding more debug abilities, like the ability to push bugs into BugGrabber. (Not currently working)
19:45.44RepoFix dry coded bug ticket 27.
19:45.54Repo10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.9.18-beta * r304 : Tagging as v0.9.18-beta
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19:46.47Megalontags Fisker as fisktard
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19:55.36draculaor do I actually upload the AceAddon, AceConsole, AceEvent, etc... to my repository?
19:56.02Stanzillanono
19:56.27Stanzillajust look at a pkgmeta of some other ace3 addon
19:56.29Stanzillaquartz or so
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20:07.54draculabut isn't there some way to browse the libraries?
20:08.40winkpokes dracula
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20:08.44winkwhat addon? :)
20:09.01draculayou, focus!
20:09.09winkhaha
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20:10.02draculacan't imagine everyone is hunting for some Ace3 addon that uses the same libs... or guessing repository tags...
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20:11.34NivFreakdracula: there is a faq page somewhere with them listed
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20:13.15draculasomehow I suspected there was :)
20:14.00NivFreakI'm not finding it quickly though, but I had to look them up recently ;)
20:15.04NivFreakyou could always just pull the pkgmeta for something like ARL though
20:15.05nevcairielyou can just get the path from the svn repository too
20:15.08NivFreakand use it as an example
20:15.50hasteAdirelle: you need to stop making patches on the 1.3 branch :P
20:16.17NivFreakI think i was using this as reference (old)
20:16.18NivFreakhttp://forums.curseforge.com/showthread.php?t=84
20:16.37SunTsunevcairiel: Maybe you could remove birthday greetings to Kaelten from topic now, it's ove for quite some days now, and I seriously doubt that his birthday really lasts that long
20:16.47draculaI found some ace2 addon and replaced every 3 with a 2
20:17.05draculaso back to example hunting, and path guessing ;)
20:17.13nevcairielSunTsu: we only replace the topic when something new comes up!
20:17.26draculaoh that thread actually contains a nice list
20:17.27NivFreakdracula: read that link
20:17.28NivFreakyea
20:17.31Fiskerhaste
20:17.33Fiskeri farted ;(
20:17.35NivFreakand it tells you the format for the rest
20:18.22draculanice reference, thx
20:18.29NivFreaknp
20:18.44NivFreaksomeone really should put that in the pkg meta howto
20:18.49NivFreakwith the base ace3 libs
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20:21.55nevcairieldracula: just look at the library you want, and browse its repository, its not hard =p
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20:22.33ThiefMastersaurfang 10 hc.. possible with 3 healers (we have no pally healer)?
20:23.16NivFreakit'll be rough
20:23.43NivFreakwe ended up swapping out one of our healers for a holy pally to get it done
20:23.44draculathe repository path was exactly what I was looking for, but the forum thread solved it
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20:32.53hasteAdirelle: I pushd a experimental branch with your code
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20:55.06Repo10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.1.0-beta1-80-g9a9d188 Database/Tailoring.lua: [+1 commit] Finished adding world drop locations to the recipes that are world drops in Tailoring
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21:01.39orionshockwhats the console command to fix the permissions on the wow folder?
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21:08.27koaschtenuhm am i think i am missing something, but can you show hp bars for tombs on sindragos?
21:08.55GroktardOMG
21:09.15Groktardcomma delimited lists in sql database :(
21:09.33hasteorionshock: chown
21:09.36koaschtenhostile doesnt show it, and friendly shows players and pets/totems
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21:11.36CrazyBenny_Groktard: DB is best storage for CSVs !
21:13.13orionshockgrrr..
21:13.27orionshockim getting #132 error crash now on wow...
21:13.33orionshocki just reinstalled the btch
21:14.50NivFreakbad disk/cables?
21:14.50CrazyBenny_orionshock: I was getting 132s because of broken RAM module, so might be hardware related
21:15.19orionshocknot likely
21:15.44orionshockwow was working just fine, granted that was before i replaced the HD
21:16.37NeoTronhttp://asset.soup.io/asset/0801/2219_904e.jpeg
21:18.00orionshockhowever, i didn't install the nvidia drivers yet, only got distro ones
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21:21.14orionshockthere we go
21:21.25orionshockupdated to latest nvidia drivers & back to normal..
21:21.30orionshockno to rebuild my ui >.>
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21:38.20draculashouldn't AceEvents depend on CallbackHandler ?
21:40.30nevcairielit does
21:42.10draculayes true, so if I use AceEvents, I should include the CallbackHandler in my .pkgmeta, it's not packaged along with AceEvents
21:42.22Primerorionshock: what happened?
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21:59.43orionshockPrimer, reinstalling linux from a HD upgrade and all the joys that go with it
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22:27.58Adirellehaste, the experimental branch is based on 1.4 ?
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22:30.01Adirellehaste, nvm, found the right git command
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