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| 07:24.30 | koaschten | @describe lern2count |
| 07:24.31 | Repo | koaschten: http://www.wowace.com/addons/lern2count/. lern2count. lern2count adds ABinfo castcounts to spell and actions. It has a builtin reagentcount too. |
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| 08:26.25 | sztanpet | goddamnit |
| 08:29.52 | Torhal | sztanpet: ? |
| 08:30.07 | sztanpet | connection issues |
| 08:30.22 | sztanpet | im guessing you guys saw quite the connect/disconenct spam |
| 08:31.47 | Torhal | I have joins/parts filtered |
| 08:32.01 | sztanpet | that explains it then |
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| 12:38.22 | koaschten | hrhr http://gizmodo.com/5520120/universities-banning-ipads-left-right-and-center-due-to-bandwidth-overload |
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| 14:56.53 | harl | http://www.prguitarman.com/photos/2008/PR/Random/roflcl/yearsworthofphotos/070514_856.jpg |
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| 15:19.47 | quiesense | o.O |
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| 15:22.13 | p3lim | is there some API (Lua) to determine if a number is negative or positive? |
| 15:23.04 | p3lim | or just use < 0 > 0 |
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| 17:57.46 | pompy | damn kids lol. http://worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/eu-forums/13200301600-why-you-lock-my-thread.html |
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| 18:01.44 | kapowaz | anyone know of a more well-updated addon to do the job of Announcer? |
| 18:02.05 | Gnarfoz | does announcer work |
| 18:02.11 | Gnarfoz | (whatever it is that it does) |
| 18:02.20 | kapowaz | not updated in 2 years and has some big bugs, apparently |
| 18:02.23 | kapowaz | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/announcer.aspx |
| 18:02.28 | Gnarfoz | apparently |
| 18:03.09 | kapowaz | yes, apparently. |
| 18:03.18 | kapowaz | are you trying to make a point or are you merely contributing noise? |
| 18:03.37 | Gnarfoz | a point, obviously |
| 18:03.43 | kapowaz | which is what? |
| 18:03.50 | Gnarfoz | what are the bugs? |
| 18:04.04 | kapowaz | problems with the options window, I'm told. |
| 18:04.12 | Gnarfoz | have you *tried* the addon? |
| 18:05.02 | kapowaz | so now I'm having an orthogonal conversation wherein I have to defend what my guildmate who uses it and wishes there was something better told me, rather than having a conversation about actual extant alternatives as per my original question? |
| 18:05.36 | Gnarfoz | I don't know how geometry factors into this |
| 18:05.43 | kapowaz | as I find myself saying a depressing number of times on IRC, âit's okay to say you don't knowâ |
| 18:05.53 | Gnarfoz | and I don't know or care about your guildmates |
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| 18:06.25 | Gnarfoz | but you could try the addon and see if it actually works, because there's no error description at all on the addon's page |
| 18:06.47 | kapowaz | and that proves what? |
| 18:06.56 | kapowaz | I've got a first-hand report from somebody who uses it |
| 18:07.09 | Gnarfoz | that's second hand |
| 18:07.12 | Gnarfoz | duh. |
| 18:07.30 | Gnarfoz | also, no, I don't know another addon that fits that description |
| 18:07.38 | Gnarfoz | (to fill your desire to hear "I don't know") |
| 18:07.44 | kapowaz | that's fine then :) |
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| 18:08.05 | arkanes_ | theres a million similar ones |
| 18:08.24 | kapowaz | arkanes_: any in particular you can recommend? |
| 18:08.33 | arkanes_ | personally, I gkick people for em |
| 18:08.36 | arkanes_ | cause I hate that shit |
| 18:08.51 | kapowaz | okay... |
| 18:09.01 | arkanes_ | especially the hunter with the 4 line long RP thing every time she mounts |
| 18:09.01 | kapowaz | maybe the specifics of what I want to announce aren't that clear |
| 18:09.28 | Stanzilla | -0.66 - (Health: 68974 (100%)) Shambling Horror Melee Anathdra Hit -82248 (Physical) |
| 18:09.29 | kapowaz | I want something very specific, to announce when I use Mind Freeze, and as part of that announcement, whether or not it succeeded |
| 18:09.32 | Stanzilla | ahhh lich king hardmode fun |
| 18:09.37 | arkanes_ | if you had specific events in mind, there might be more specific addons in mind |
| 18:09.47 | arkanes_ | ah theres lots of interrupt addons |
| 18:09.58 | arkanes_ | I dont remember the name of the one I used, though, let me take a look |
| 18:10.07 | kapowaz | cool, thanks |
| 18:10.19 | olafski | you can't really macro that anyway since at the time of casting you don't know whether it succeeded |
| 18:10.23 | arkanes_ | right |
| 18:10.23 | kapowaz | indeed |
| 18:10.30 | olafski | so an addon that does that would need to listen for the event and announce if after it's happened |
| 18:10.36 | kapowaz | yes. |
| 18:10.38 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: stun that shit |
| 18:10.39 | arkanes_ | theres actually a raid leader addon that, among other things, just announces interrupts |
| 18:10.46 | arkanes_ | which is probabyl a better solution |
| 18:10.54 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: that was instant |
| 18:10.57 | Stanzilla | we normally stun |
| 18:11.08 | arkanes_ | the guy doing the interrupting doesn't need to be running anything, just the raid leader |
| 18:12.03 | kapowaz | that might be one way of doing it, although naturally I can't ensure that every raid leader I group with has it installed |
| 18:12.07 | Gnarfoz | kapowaz: interrupt announcing is easy. interrupt announcing w/ failure check is... not that easy. there's a plethora of addons for the former, I don't know any reliable ones for the latter |
| 18:13.02 | arkanes_ | oh, right, the ones I'm thinking of dont do failure check |
| 18:13.40 | arkanes_ | it'd be spammy unless you had a strict predefined interrupt rotation every time anyway |
| 18:13.46 | Gnarfoz | GnomishInterrupter is my favourite from the former category :D |
| 18:14.07 | kapowaz | it's mostly for fights like Deathwhisper |
| 18:14.10 | arkanes_ | I think this is the one one of my guildmates uses |
| 18:14.11 | arkanes_ | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/announce.aspx |
| 18:14.16 | kapowaz | I was just looking at that |
| 18:14.18 | arkanes_ | it also announces stuff like tricks/MD |
| 18:14.27 | arkanes_ | feasts, tables, repair bots |
| 18:14.28 | Gnarfoz | no, that's announce (vs. announceR) |
| 18:14.29 | arkanes_ | kinda handy |
| 18:14.31 | kapowaz | until curse's retarded advertising started auto-playing an advert for runes of magic |
| 18:14.34 | kapowaz | then I closed it |
| 18:14.40 | Gnarfoz | (except of course you *were* looking at it, heh) |
| 18:14.50 | kapowaz | yeah, you know what your problem is Gnarfoz? |
| 18:14.53 | kapowaz | you assume too much. |
| 18:15.04 | kapowaz | like that I'm a moron, for example |
| 18:15.13 | Gnarfoz | you know what your problem is? you think this is the "solve kapowaz' problems" channel |
| 18:15.22 | kapowaz | ...wait, it's not? |
| 18:15.25 | Gnarfoz | it's actually an addon dev channel |
| 18:15.33 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 18:15.38 | arkanes_ | seriously |
| 18:15.46 | kapowaz | thing is, so far I've not asked anyone to solve a problem for me. I've just asked for addon recommendations |
| 18:15.53 | arkanes_ | if you think Gnarfoz is bad, you should see what happens if you'd asked this on the wow forums :P |
| 18:15.55 | kapowaz | you'd think a channel where lots of addon authors hang out would be a good place for that |
| 18:16.04 | Gnarfoz | guess why I was asking what the problem is with announcer - I'd have tried suggesting ways of fixing the addon |
| 18:16.31 | Gnarfoz | you know who would disagree with that assumption? addon authors! :p |
| 18:16.36 | arkanes_ | its not unwarranted. A better way of asking would be asking about what you wanted to do, rather than about a named addon that you were looking for |
| 18:17.13 | arkanes_ | hmm I'm not sure this is the same one |
| 18:17.25 | kapowaz | also, comparing this place to the wow forums is like telling a rape victim âwell, thank yourself lucky you weren't a Jew in WWII!â |
| 18:17.40 | arkanes_ | but I guess its good for you. The one I was thinking of did stuff like let you know how long until the fish feast vanished |
| 18:17.49 | kapowaz | mm |
| 18:17.50 | arkanes_ | well |
| 18:17.54 | arkanes_ | it's true, they are! |
| 18:18.11 | arkanes_ | Gnarfoz has many flaws, but as far as I know he's never committed genocide |
| 18:18.29 | kapowaz | damned presumption of innocence.... |
| 18:18.44 | Gnarfoz | let's abolish that and try kapowaz for murder! :P |
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| 18:32.39 | Repo | 10lazyleader (experimental): 03Alleidun * r20 / (3 files in 1 directory): .pkgmeta test |
| 18:44.27 | Pneumatus | holy crap ringdroid is the most awesome app ever |
| 18:45.18 | nevcairiel | looks in market |
| 18:45.39 | Pneumatus | lets you top&tail mp3s for ringtones |
| 18:45.45 | Pneumatus | so you can start mid-song or w/e |
| 18:45.54 | Pneumatus | or chop off silence at the start of a track |
| 18:46.26 | nevcairiel | i dont usually make myself ringtones, too lazy |
| 18:47.19 | Primer | http://clientsupport.curse.com/ticket.aspx?id=3916 <-- I just submitted that. Any CC person care to comment? Bad idea? |
| 18:48.18 | SunTsu | while you're already at it, do you need a google account to take full advantage of Android smartphones? I recall somebody saying something like this |
| 18:48.18 | Mikk | Primer: can prolyl get away with checking that it's properly ended |
| 18:49.41 | haste | SunTsu: without a google account it won't sync, and some apps will probably fail their app server login |
| 18:50.11 | haste | SunTsu: also unsure if market will work |
| 18:50.13 | SunTsu | haste: thanks, so Android is no option for me |
| 18:51.53 | haste | sucks to be you! :3 |
| 18:52.20 | nevcairiel | people that refuse to use a google account puzzle me |
| 18:52.48 | haste | they be hiding something! |
| 18:52.49 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: why? |
| 18:53.13 | nevcairiel | I rather trust google then some other random internet company |
| 18:53.58 | haste | doesn't all smartphones require you to register your mail somehow anyway? |
| 18:54.26 | SunTsu | haste: with my Nokia I didn't need to register anything |
| 18:54.31 | nevcairiel | I dont remember a single security related incident with google that was actually caused by them either sucking, or selling out their data |
| 18:54.48 | nevcairiel | paranoia is not good for you |
| 18:54.53 | SunTsu | haste: I own my mail server, and that's the only thing I need to authenticate to |
| 18:55.07 | haste | I'm ignorant when it comes to nokia! |
| 18:55.11 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: why is there even a need to register with anything? |
| 18:55.21 | nevcairiel | you dont need to register |
| 18:55.31 | nevcairiel | you just dont get syncing of your contacts, mails or applications |
| 18:55.45 | nevcairiel | and of course you cant buy apps |
| 18:55.47 | haste | and gmaps, market, gmail and such won't work |
| 18:55.53 | nevcairiel | market works, iirc |
| 18:55.57 | pentium166 | you can't sync mail with a non-google account? |
| 18:55.58 | nevcairiel | cant buy stuff |
| 18:55.59 | haste | and all other apps that use the app server |
| 18:56.13 | nevcairiel | pentium166: sure, but the non-gmail app sucks |
| 18:56.24 | haste | I'm unsure when it comes to market |
| 18:56.34 | nevcairiel | maps should work too |
| 18:56.39 | nevcairiel | wouldnt know why not |
| 18:56.46 | nevcairiel | i should take out my account info and test :P |
| 18:58.13 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: I just want a nice smart phone, that can sync to my caldav server and that i can use to browse the web, my E72's display is too small for that |
| 18:58.18 | Primer | Mikk: I think this could be done entirely on the server side. If it doesn't parse, just don't save it, and tell the client nothing |
| 18:58.33 | Primer | that way you always have the last good one on the server |
| 18:59.03 | nevcairiel | you should just get over the google hate and try it |
| 18:59.06 | Primer | Mikk: you know what would be better? Revision control of the files :) |
| 18:59.07 | nevcairiel | its really awesome |
| 18:59.25 | Primer | I love my G1 |
| 18:59.44 | Primer | I use cyanogen, and use navigation to go camping last week. Worked flawlessly |
| 18:59.54 | Primer | used navigation, that is |
| 19:00.09 | nevcairiel | I have a droid with official 2.1 firmware, never had a reason for the custom one |
| 19:00.23 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: I don't hate google, it's just that it's none of their business what i am doing. And I dont need a single service from google, except that I use their search engine from time to time |
| 19:00.29 | Primer | nevcairiel: I like being able to use mine as a wireless AP |
| 19:00.48 | Primer | when the G1 first came out, you could only get wireless tethering with a rooted phone |
| 19:01.16 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: And I don't see any reason to register with google to use a fsking cell phone |
| 19:01.20 | Primer | not sure if that's still not the case |
| 19:01.24 | nevcairiel | its not a cell phone |
| 19:01.27 | nevcairiel | its a smartphone |
| 19:02.07 | nevcairiel | Like i said, you dont have to register, you just cant use all the fun if you dont |
| 19:02.12 | SunTsu | yeah, my E72 is too, and I don't need to register with any service I don't need. I just want to replace my 2nd cell phone |
| 19:02.29 | nevcairiel | its not like it just doesnt start without registering |
| 19:02.32 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: so basically I need to register to use all of it |
| 19:03.44 | nevcairiel | The functionality that you'll miss, you wont be able to get without registering on any phone |
| 19:03.53 | nevcairiel | like syncing of any kind |
| 19:04.11 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: as i said, I want to sync things to MY servers. |
| 19:04.53 | haste | HTC Magic with cyanogen \:D/ |
| 19:05.04 | nevcairiel | there is no reason that you cant do that |
| 19:05.13 | nevcairiel | just not with the bundled apps |
| 19:05.13 | haste | only complaint I have atm is that my kernel thinks the SD-card is corrupt after each unmount |
| 19:05.17 | nevcairiel | mostly |
| 19:05.19 | haste | but I'm too lazy to fix that |
| 19:05.27 | haste | not like rebooting the phone is any hazzle |
| 19:06.12 | pompy | http://worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/eu-forums/13200611529-funny-real-world-macros.html |
| 19:07.57 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: there are apps for anything, so if all you need to sync with are big protocols, someone will have build a nice app to use that |
| 19:08.10 | nevcairiel | the default apps are just designed for google syncing |
| 19:08.44 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: is market even usable without google account? |
| 19:08.46 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r301 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 19:08.59 | Repo | Fix the fix from 0.9.16. Logic was broken. That's what I get for dry-coding. |
| 19:09.06 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.9.17 * r302 : Tagging as v0.9.17 |
| 19:09.19 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: not sure, but you definately wont be able to buy stuff |
| 19:11.16 | nevcairiel | which is kinda obvious, since it needs your payment information from somewhere :p |
| 19:13.21 | SunTsu | yeah. Still, I don't think it's what I'm looking for. I would have to replace nearly everything on the phone - thanks for helping me to make that decision |
| 19:13.57 | nevcairiel | all of the new phones come with some kind of market |
| 19:14.01 | nevcairiel | which needs some kind of login |
| 19:14.03 | SunTsu | with my nokia I bought one thing, my twitter client, but I bought it directly from that company, like any software |
| 19:14.26 | nevcairiel | honestly i prefer some central place to look for apps |
| 19:15.02 | nevcairiel | but you can still install stuff the manual way on android too |
| 19:18.49 | SunTsu | I can imagine how this will turn out. Every where I turn I will see hurdles, because I don't have a google account. BTDT, no thanks |
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| 19:23.11 | nevcairiel | I do think that any other modern smartphone os will have the same requirements |
| 19:24.44 | SunTsu | No, because in other modern smartphones you have apps that are designed to work with standard protocols and not tailored to fit a special service provider |
| 19:24.51 | nevcairiel | its not special |
| 19:24.59 | nevcairiel | the gmail app uses imap |
| 19:25.08 | nevcairiel | its just branded with a gmail logo, and hardcoded on their servers |
| 19:25.24 | nevcairiel | and there is no default market protocol :p |
| 19:25.55 | SunTsu | so it's not usable for any othe service provider, as I said, it's tailored to fit google - and I want it to be tailored to suit my needs |
| 19:26.08 | nevcairiel | there is another email app on the default install too |
| 19:26.12 | SunTsu | not tell me what I need to use |
| 19:26.19 | SunTsu | which, as you said, sucks |
| 19:27.07 | nevcairiel | You dont use outlook express on windows either, you get a real application :p |
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| 19:28.05 | SunTsu | I don't even use windows. Where I am forced to I use outlook, yes. |
| 19:29.05 | nevcairiel | besides, gmail and the calendar app (which is basically gmail too) are basically the only i can think of that could use some standard protocol |
| 19:29.24 | nevcairiel | and for both there are excellent replacements |
| 19:29.30 | nevcairiel | the default calendar app even sucks, too :P |
| 19:29.33 | nevcairiel | and its the google version |
| 19:29.40 | SunTsu | which probably cost money, too |
| 19:29.56 | nevcairiel | sometimes, not always |
| 19:30.02 | nevcairiel | tehre are alot of excellent free apps |
| 19:30.24 | nevcairiel | but that point is mood, its the same on all phones |
| 19:31.46 | SunTsu | Nope, as I already said, I use the standard apps on my E72, they are fine, and they are neatly integrated into the way that phone works |
| 19:32.09 | nevcairiel | Sure, if the default app works for you |
| 19:32.19 | nevcairiel | but if it didnt, a replacement would likely cost money too |
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| 19:33.26 | nevcairiel | You can completly replace the default application handlers on android, and just replace the fully integrated app |
| 19:33.29 | nevcairiel | it works great, too |
| 19:33.37 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: suggestion for an RSS widget to pull multiple feeds? |
| 19:33.47 | Pneumatus | ideally from a google reader acct |
| 19:33.56 | nevcairiel | i use newsrob |
| 19:33.57 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: what's the standard browser? |
| 19:34.00 | nevcairiel | but doesnt have a widget |
| 19:34.05 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: some webkit thing |
| 19:34.15 | Pneumatus | ive got 7 homepages to fill :< |
| 19:34.27 | nevcairiel | i dont use the homepages |
| 19:34.33 | nevcairiel | just a bunch of buttons on the first |
| 19:34.35 | SunTsu | which is integrated into google, too? |
| 19:34.36 | nevcairiel | all other empty |
| 19:34.48 | Pneumatus | ah |
| 19:34.56 | nevcairiel | its a browser, what would there be integrated? |
| 19:35.06 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: things like google toolbar |
| 19:35.13 | nevcairiel | its a mobile browser |
| 19:35.16 | nevcairiel | no place for toolbars |
| 19:35.33 | nevcairiel | it doesnt even offer bookmark syncing fwiw :P |
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| 19:36.47 | nevcairiel | despite google having a bookmark sync for chrome |
| 19:37.05 | groktar | goatses |
| 19:37.39 | Pneumatus | installing apps from barcodes is like the most awesome thing ever though |
| 19:38.03 | nevcairiel | hehe yeah thats a cool feature |
| 19:38.25 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: I'll think about it, thanks for the information |
| 19:39.56 | nevcairiel | install an android emulator :p |
| 19:40.00 | nevcairiel | its in the SDK |
| 19:40.13 | nevcairiel | its a bit slow, but it can show you the OS |
| 19:42.14 | SunTsu | yeah, I could do that |
| 19:44.34 | nevcairiel | I'll always prefer a OS that i actually know how it works, iow is based on linux and open source, then something completly closed like iphone or symbian |
| 19:47.26 | SunTsu | yeah, that's why I consider buying a Android phone, I just don't want to use something that is completely tied in with a company and can't be used without that tie in |
| 19:48.21 | nevcairiel | its open source, someone would fix it |
| 19:50.09 | SunTsu | yeah, but I just searched around how deeply it is tied in, and most of the user base seems to be like "oh, just create a google account, gmail is great" |
| 19:51.12 | orionshock | SunTsu, would you trust microsoft with the same amount of information that you trust google with ? |
| 19:51.35 | orionshock | or any other content network like Yahoo |
| 19:52.03 | SunTsu | orionshock: yeah, because I avoid giving google any kind of information |
| 19:53.11 | orionshock | hehe, Google too much like BigBrother? |
| 19:53.31 | nevcairiel | thats just paranoia |
| 19:53.42 | nevcairiel | sure, they have alot of information on everything on the internet |
| 19:53.47 | durcyn | live in the cloud, children |
| 19:53.49 | nevcairiel | but they already own half the world |
| 19:53.54 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: no, it's not. I avoid giving anybody any information they don't need |
| 19:53.55 | nevcairiel | so what would they trade it for? :p |
| 19:54.11 | nevcairiel | you give the information to the host of your mail server |
| 19:54.35 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Which is me |
| 19:54.44 | nevcairiel | you run your own data center? :p |
| 19:55.08 | orionshock | hehe |
| 19:55.47 | orionshock | nevcairiel, you got to admit that it's a bit scarry just how much information is gathered about you when you visit a site. even on a clean computer there is quite a bit. |
| 19:56.08 | nevcairiel | its also scary what shit they put in sausages |
| 19:56.09 | durcyn | mail is a flawed argument though, since smtp has never been encrypted and any expectation of privacy is a delusion |
| 19:56.19 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: No, although I for some time did. The data center where I host my servers has no right to look into the data stream |
| 19:56.24 | nevcairiel | you still eat em, because they taste good |
| 19:56.48 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: google doesnt have a right to look into your data either? :) |
| 19:57.07 | orionshock | nevcairiel, well they do have to provide the service, so they have those rights.. |
| 19:57.20 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: it's part of the agreement you make with google for using gmail |
| 19:57.44 | nevcairiel | you dont sign a "hereby i agree that google reads my emails" thing :p |
| 19:58.03 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: they claim the right to look into the mails and analyze it - which I don't want them to do |
| 19:58.10 | nevcairiel | its called spam filtering |
| 19:58.14 | nevcairiel | but whatever :P |
| 19:58.15 | orionshock | and adwords |
| 19:58.21 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: nope, adwords and such |
| 19:58.51 | orionshock | SunTsu, but that's the price of free. Im sure that if you pay google for email services that they don't AdWord's the material |
| 19:59.05 | nevcairiel | also, i really hate when someone constantly prefixes messages with my name when there is only 2 people talking |
| 19:59.21 | orionshock | sorry habbit |
| 19:59.38 | SunTsu | orionshock: I don't want it. not free, not if they paid money. I can provide my own infrastructure and I already do that |
| 20:00.21 | orionshock | well that works for you :) & i guess that's where the discussion ends |
| 20:00.54 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Sorry, I don't even notice doing it, it's sort of an automatism - I roam IRC for 15 or 16 years now |
| 20:01.25 | SunTsu | orionshock: yeah, but people always want to convince me that google isn't that bad and such |
| 20:02.15 | SunTsu | I don't really care how good or bad google is, actually, I just don't need them, and I don't want to give anybody information that I can avoid giving |
| 20:02.32 | orionshock | SunTsu, IMO it's yet another battle of the lesser of evils. Given the choices of what major network to have services with google seems to be lesser of them. they atleast tell you in non-legalese wtf they do with your data |
| 20:03.04 | nevcairiel | You wouldnt give google any information if you just sign up to get access to the market |
| 20:03.17 | nevcairiel | short of your contact details, which they have from somewhere anyway i bet :P |
| 20:03.36 | nevcairiel | Its about the only thing you cant really replace |
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| 20:03.45 | nevcairiel | except manually searching for apps |
| 20:04.42 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: yeah, from all those idiots praising google and using gmail, and letting them analyze my mail |
| 20:05.20 | SunTsu | I normally refuse writing mail to @gmail accounts, and I use special mail accounts for mailing lists |
| 20:06.05 | nevcairiel | i have a special forwarding adress for people like that =P |
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| 20:07.53 | orionshock | SunTsu, have you ever considered that is a little over the top and a little paranoid beyond reason? I can understand and appreciate the need for privacy, but there is a point in keeping things private that are extream |
| 20:08.33 | SunTsu | my main condern with google mail is that you receive mail from people who are not aware that their mail is analyzed by google because they don't know of that agreement and maybe wouldn't like it |
| 20:09.05 | SunTsu | orionshock: why? Ever had somebody standing behind you, reading over your shoulder? |
| 20:09.23 | orionshock | yeah, for 12 years of my life @ school... |
| 20:09.57 | nevcairiel | google analzying my mail to improve my service is fine by me |
| 20:10.11 | nevcairiel | they didnt betray my privacy yet |
| 20:10.28 | orionshock | really if you need that level of privacy, there are forms of encryption that you can use with email that are all client based |
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| 20:10.53 | SunTsu | orionshock: I was talking about some open space, where somebody you don't know stands behind you and reads a magazine over your shoulder |
| 20:11.28 | SunTsu | orionshock: I am just talking about not giving out any information I don't have to give out. |
| 20:11.43 | nevcairiel | how is the shoulder thing related to anything? |
| 20:11.51 | nevcairiel | doesnt matter what service you use for that :P |
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| 20:12.11 | orionshock | well you seem to be in a unique situation where you can supply the usual needs on your own. so i guess you can exercise that right to privacy. |
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| 20:12.19 | orionshock | but most people arn't |
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| 20:13.07 | orionshock | nevcairiel, you use linux right? do you use dual monitor at all? |
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| 20:13.51 | Primer | is currently using 3 monitors in Linux |
| 20:13.57 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: it's about privacy. Try it. Try to stand behind somebody who is reading a newspaper or a magazine. Most people will find it offensive, a breach of privacy, while they are not actually doing anything private |
| 20:14.02 | orionshock | Primer, do you play wow with it? |
| 20:14.07 | Primer | I have |
| 20:14.23 | Primer | in winecfg you can make wine remove borders |
| 20:14.32 | Primer | window dressings |
| 20:14.46 | Primer | then just make the size the same as one of your screens and voilà |
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| 20:14.53 | orionshock | do you have problems with the video hanging up bout every 4 seconds, not really bad hang, but like you can tell where the animation is looping and there is a slight pause on loop |
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| 20:15.01 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: most people react quite aggressive because of that - and as soon as they are using their computer they spread all their private information all over the place |
| 20:15.13 | Primer | orionshock: nope |
| 20:15.23 | nevcairiel | I would call facebook or twitter spreading information |
| 20:15.25 | nevcairiel | not using gmail |
| 20:15.34 | Primer | orionshock: do you have a browser open to a youtube page? :) |
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| 20:15.52 | Primer | it seems that some flash apps LOVE to consume 100% cpu |
| 20:15.53 | orionshock | SunTsu, i think people have more of a problem that you are over their sholder (space issues) reading the news paper, not that you are watching them use the newspaper. |
| 20:16.07 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: well, twitter is spreading information, but in a way you decide yourself |
| 20:16.25 | Primer | I watched a History Channel thing on SunTzu last night. Was pretty awesome |
| 20:16.26 | Megalon | so is facebook |
| 20:16.26 | orionshock | Primer, i have Mafia Wars @ Facebook open & atm i have Pandora open |
| 20:16.39 | SunTsu | orionshock: nope, try it from a different table, some yards away, they'll still act disturbed |
| 20:16.40 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: unless someone directly steals your information, it all is |
| 20:16.44 | Primer | orionshock: run top -d1 in the other screen |
| 20:16.53 | Primer | see if any other process comes to the top while playing |
| 20:16.58 | Primer | I would suspect that first |
| 20:17.10 | orionshock | Primer, :: blink:: ::blink:: ? |
| 20:17.15 | Primer | orionshock: best test would be to run X without a window manager |
| 20:17.16 | SunTsu | Megalon: nope, because facebook gives away even the information you deem private |
| 20:17.22 | Primer | orionshock: guess you're not a real Linux user, eh? |
| 20:17.33 | nevcairiel | facebook really is another kind of evil |
| 20:17.37 | orionshock | now that i look at it, it makes more sense |
| 20:17.50 | nevcairiel | even the privacy people in our governemtn recommended against using it now :p |
| 20:17.52 | Primer | open a terminal, type: top -d1, put that in the other display, watch it as the game runs. Wine should be the top process |
| 20:18.00 | Primer | -d1 just means "update every second" |
| 20:18.33 | Primer | if wine is NOT the top process, and there's another process coming up every 4 seconds, then, there you go |
| 20:18.36 | orionshock | Primer, it's the WoW.exe instead |
| 20:18.49 | Primer | yeah, seems wine rewrites the proc now |
| 20:18.55 | Primer | proctitle |
| 20:19.36 | orionshock | nevcairiel, the FBI is using facebook for intel gathering btw :) |
| 20:20.00 | orionshock | no joke either |
| 20:20.16 | Primer | orionshock: X without a window manager == stop gdm (presuming a debian based distro, as that seems what most people are using), create a file ~/.xinitrc and within that just put this: xterm |
| 20:20.20 | Primer | and startx |
| 20:20.27 | Primer | that'll run X with only the xterm inside |
| 20:20.32 | Primer | then run WoW from that |
| 20:20.52 | Primer | is old school Linux |
| 20:21.10 | Primer | I still use startx on all my Linux boxes to this day |
| 20:21.13 | orionshock | i did that, and ... well it make the point of using a 2nd monitor kind apointless |
| 20:21.23 | Primer | eh? |
| 20:21.29 | Primer | I only suggested that to troubleshoot |
| 20:21.43 | orionshock | well... i know that Only running wow w/o a WM works great.. |
| 20:21.47 | Primer | that would eliminate any other X based processes as being the problem |
| 20:21.57 | Primer | there you go |
| 20:22.04 | orionshock | guess it's time to upgrade the proc |
| 20:22.05 | Primer | perhaps the problem is something your WM is doing |
| 20:22.12 | Primer | compiz? |
| 20:22.17 | Primer | something equally fancy? |
| 20:22.20 | Primer | uses openbox |
| 20:22.36 | Primer | slim, fast, very configurable, but not fancy |
| 20:23.03 | orionshock | i know comiz is there, but not really sure how to rip it out and replace it with something else w/o completely f'ing it up |
| 20:23.15 | orionshock | ... & i've done that already... the f'ing it up part :) |
| 20:23.36 | Primer | just backup the appropriate files in ~ |
| 20:23.40 | Primer | every so often |
| 20:23.47 | Primer | or just backup ~ entirely |
| 20:23.51 | orionshock | ^^ |
| 20:24.22 | orionshock | well if i understand thing right, Gnome & OpenBox serve the same purpose? |
| 20:24.29 | Primer | no |
| 20:24.32 | SunTsu | orionshock: not exactly |
| 20:24.36 | Primer | gnome is a DM (Desktop manager) |
| 20:24.41 | orionshock | AH! |
| 20:24.43 | Primer | openbox is a pure WM (Window manager) |
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| 20:24.59 | SunTsu | what Primer said |
| 20:25.11 | orionshock | ok, so how does one swich from compiz to openbox, tbh i never liked/ used the pritty junk |
| 20:25.17 | Primer | I've never liked Gnome or KDE. I have no use for drag and drop and all the integration bullshit |
| 20:25.43 | SunTsu | orionshock: Gnome and KDE aim to provide an integrated working environment while a window manage only does that, and is a more basic approach |
| 20:26.10 | Primer | the openbox wiki should have info on it. You'd want the "How do I run openbox from gdm" faq |
| 20:26.13 | Primer | presuming one exists |
| 20:26.20 | orionshock | so for a simple user like me, I could run OpenBox & Gnome together ? |
| 20:26.27 | Primer | and presuming you want to stick with gdm (i.e. graphical login) |
| 20:26.41 | Primer | technically, yes |
| 20:26.42 | SunTsu | orionshock: there are lots of nice WM. openbox, fluxbox, xfce and lots more |
| 20:26.53 | Primer | because right now you're probably running gnome + metashitty |
| 20:26.56 | Primer | err metacity |
| 20:27.01 | orionshock | Primer, yes |
| 20:27.30 | Primer | keep in mind that openbox is very bare-bones |
| 20:27.35 | Primer | no task bars |
| 20:27.39 | Primer | which I LOVE |
| 20:27.46 | Primer | I mean, the fact that it has none |
| 20:27.53 | Primer | because I HATE taskbars |
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| 20:28.11 | nevcairiel | task bars arent done my WMs usually |
| 20:28.16 | nevcairiel | rather by some panel application |
| 20:28.27 | Primer | not the case with openbox :) |
| 20:28.29 | nevcairiel | s/my/by/ |
| 20:28.33 | orionshock | im running ubuntu 9.10 and they started removing admin applets.... urg |
| 20:29.03 | nevcairiel | the xfce WM doesnt do task bars, i dont think metacity does taskbars |
| 20:29.10 | nevcairiel | its gnome-panel or xfce-panel respectively |
| 20:29.23 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: yeah, it is |
| 20:29.24 | Primer | oh, aren't |
| 20:29.26 | nevcairiel | all WMs do is window decorations and layout |
| 20:29.32 | Primer | right |
| 20:29.43 | Primer | yes, nevcairiel is correct |
| 20:29.45 | durcyn | ugh, fuck gnome and xfce both. trying to replicate the functionality of 1990s macintosh UIs is fucking stupid. |
| 20:29.54 | Primer | it's been very long since I've run anything other than openbox |
| 20:30.15 | durcyn | especially the complete lack of useful keyboard shortcuts in GNOME, it should come with a one-button mouse |
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| 20:30.55 | SunTsu | I used to run larswm for some years, which was all I needed back then |
| 20:30.57 | Primer | durcyn: in all fairness, gnome could easily be configured to do anything you want, much like openbox |
| 20:31.33 | durcyn | Primer: sane defaults are infinitely more valuable than configuration overload |
| 20:32.23 | orionshock | i think it's time to swap this 250gb HD for the 350gb in my media center ... |
| 20:34.29 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r490 BadBoy.lua: re-add mikk's commented out globals for his script thingy |
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| 20:43.17 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 20:43.18 | Fisker | HEY |
| 20:43.28 | Megalon | you'll get fiskered soon |
| 20:44.13 | Fisker | no! |
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| 20:49.17 | durcyn | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bags/9190/ how the hell does something like that sell out |
| 20:49.23 | Shefki | Primer: I don't understand your question abou the drop down. |
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| 20:54.16 | Fisker | incineration durcyn |
| 20:54.27 | Fisker | or obvious trolling |
| 21:02.56 | Primer | Shefki: I wondered what those events DO |
| 21:03.04 | Primer | I mean, what does assigning events to that do? |
| 21:03.13 | Primer | for example |
| 21:03.19 | Primer | text, lua: health, custom |
| 21:03.25 | Primer | paste in your custom code |
| 21:03.35 | Primer | boom, the events dropdown become empty |
| 21:03.44 | Primer | but the test works nonetheless |
| 21:04.11 | Primer | err text |
| 21:05.31 | Primer | is the fact that it continues to work incidental? |
| 21:05.44 | Primer | since other events are taking care of updating it? |
| 21:06.21 | Shefki | Primer: Ohh. I see what you're asking. |
| 21:06.49 | Shefki | Primer: Depends on the frame they're on. |
| 21:07.13 | Shefki | Primer: If they're on target of target frames they're wacky. We have to poll so you could leave events turned off. |
| 21:08.15 | Shefki | However if you put them on a frame we only update in response to events, then like player or raid and it'll break. |
| 21:08.46 | Primer | I did it on the layouts for raid, player, and target frames |
| 21:08.58 | Primer | and it seemed to Just Workâ¢, without events |
| 21:09.06 | Cyrez | Is VIPRE Antivirus any good? I'm having a difficult time sorting through all the propaganda. |
| 21:11.09 | Cyrez | Anybody? ._. |
| 21:11.44 | Primer | doesn't use an anti-virus |
| 21:12.01 | Gagorian | I've been fairly happy with Avast |
| 21:12.26 | Gagorian | Not that I've had a single virus during the last two years using it |
| 21:12.31 | Gagorian | So I wouldn't know :D |
| 21:12.54 | Cyrez | I don't use antivirus either... A client asked me about it. |
| 21:13.00 | Cyrez | He's one of the paranoid types. |
| 21:13.02 | Cyrez | ._. |
| 21:13.31 | Gagorian | When in doubt upload to www.virustotal.com |
| 21:14.00 | Cyrez | Amen to that, lol. |
| 21:14.37 | Cyrez | I was just asking about VIPRE cuz I'd never once heard of it until he mentioned it today. |
| 21:15.11 | Gagorian | Neither have I |
| 21:15.23 | Gagorian | So I'd say sounds suspicious |
| 21:20.48 | Cyrez | I'll probably just suggest Avast and Malwarebytes... |
| 21:21.14 | nevcairiel | i just use antivir |
| 21:21.23 | nevcairiel | free and competitive in detection rates |
| 21:21.35 | Fisker | i just use my brain |
| 21:21.42 | Fisker | also free and competitive in prevention rates |
| 21:22.22 | Cyrez | It's for a client, not me. I has my brain. |
| 21:22.50 | Fisker | meh i find MSE sufficient |
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| 21:23.03 | Fisker | Then i run a scan every now and again |
| 21:23.47 | nevcairiel | brain is good and all, but never know what some buddy of yours did with the software he was supposed to put on your usb stick |
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| 21:25.01 | Fisker | what buddies? |
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| 21:33.24 | Primer | indeed |
| 21:33.34 | Primer | hands Fisker a USB stick |
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| 21:39.14 | orionshock | seems like all i needed to do was go update chrome :) |
| 21:45.23 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron 04v3.254-beta * r346 : RaidBuffStatus: |
| 21:45.25 | Repo | - Tagged as beta. |
| 21:45.57 | Primer | orionshock: regarding your WoW lag in Linux? |
| 21:46.39 | Primer | BTW, anyone know how to turn off the default buff/debuff UI? |
| 21:46.49 | Primer | Is that in interface anywhere, or must that be done from an addon? |
| 21:47.09 | Primer | I went up and down the interface options and found nothing |
| 21:50.44 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm * r170 basePrototype.lua: MorgDKP2 |
| 21:50.46 | Repo | -fix nil error with sync pool |
| 21:50.48 | orionshock | Primer, it's under "Buffs and Debuffs" as "Consolidate Buffs" option |
| 21:51.17 | Primer | I guess I didn't look hard enough. Thanks |
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| 21:55.36 | orionshock | well i tried openbox |
| 21:55.49 | Primer | and you hated it |
| 21:56.04 | Primer | it's an acquired taste :) |
| 21:56.29 | orionshock | and fwiw, it get's the same opinion as many things in linux get. "Too much bullshit and not enough documentation. Made for the people that have IQ's above 200. Not End User friendly at all out of the box" |
| 21:56.32 | Primer | one thing I can't live without: edge resistance |
| 21:57.14 | Primer | it may seem stupid, but... |
| 21:57.27 | orionshock | that's why i like gnome/ubuntu 's default setup. it's sane and rational while being flexable. it's made for your average end user :) |
| 21:57.34 | Primer | orionshock: I value being able to make my desktop behave _exactly_ as I would expect |
| 21:57.41 | Primer | Linux + X + openbox affords me that |
| 21:58.00 | Primer | I'm definitely not an average end user |
| 21:58.14 | Primer | I've been using X on Linux as my default desktop since 1996 |
| 21:58.16 | orionshock | Primer, this is true, but i don't have 12 hrs to spend to get it like that, not to mention digging though a metric shit load of docs that are out of date by years and don't apply |
| 21:59.40 | orionshock | meh |
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| 22:19.03 | Shefki | Primer: What type of text are you making? |
| 22:19.34 | Primer | 100% | 31337 |
| 22:19.40 | Primer | percent | max |
| 22:19.52 | Primer | for health and mana |
| 22:19.53 | Shefki | Primer: There's no way that should be working if you don't have events turned on. |
| 22:20.01 | Shefki | Ohh mana. |
| 22:20.05 | Primer | dunno what to say...it works |
| 22:20.06 | Shefki | Mana will work yeah. |
| 22:20.09 | Shefki | For yourself. |
| 22:20.18 | Shefki | Because Mana is updated OnUpdate for yourself. |
| 22:20.26 | Shefki | It won't work for anyone else though. |
| 22:21.13 | Shefki | Trust me you need the events, it may appear to be working in you contrived testing. In real situations you'll see the breakage. |
| 22:21.24 | Primer | for I have it set for all 3 of my layouts: me, targets (target, tot, totot, focus, focus target), and players (party, party pets, raid, raid pets) |
| 22:21.31 | Primer | for both health and mana |
| 22:21.55 | Shefki | Have you tried it in combat yet? |
| 22:21.59 | Primer | so basically copy the events from any other "health: whatever", and "power: whatever" ? |
| 22:22.07 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 22:22.26 | Primer | I plan to extend the code to wrap "if combat" |
| 22:22.50 | Primer | since I want those 2 texts to not be there for the "players" layout when in combat |
| 22:23.01 | Shefki | if combat as in you're in combat or the unit the frame is on in combat? |
| 22:23.07 | Primer | me |
| 22:23.07 | Shefki | Because the former is easy. The later sucks. |
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| 22:23.36 | Shefki | You'll need PLAYER_REGEN_{ENABLED,DISABLED} for that to work right. |
| 22:23.41 | Primer | I had my SavedVariables/PitBull4.lua get truncated again |
| 22:24.01 | Primer | so I had to completely redo the UI, which allowed me to understand it even more |
| 22:24.08 | Primer | so I only have 3 layouts now |
| 22:24.12 | Primer | and it's perfect |
| 22:24.32 | Shefki | http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/pages/faq/#w-how-do-i-backup-restore-my-config-file |
| 22:24.38 | Primer | yeah yeah |
| 22:24.40 | Primer | I back it up now |
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| 22:27.35 | Primer | the only thing I'm missing is a consistent (i.e. across all classes) range fader |
| 22:28.20 | Primer | for example, in my "players" layout, I'd like that to be 40 yards regardless of class, since, as a healer, I want to know if they ranged me, and as a DPS/Tank, I want to know if I've ranged healers |
| 22:28.51 | Primer | whereas for my targets layout, class skills would suffice |
| 22:31.07 | Ac-town | thats why i use grid |
| 22:32.38 | Primer | meh at grid |
| 22:32.52 | Primer | too minimalistic, need more info |
| 22:33.04 | groktar | recommends pb4 |
| 22:33.40 | Primer | I can make PB4 do anything I want (with exception of the aforementioned class agnostic range fader) |
| 22:33.55 | Primer | Fiskers groktar |
| 22:34.02 | mitchnull | primer: pitbull_rangefader2 |
| 22:34.43 | Primer | mitchnull: ooohhh |
| 22:35.29 | mitchnull | convince shefki to make this the default ;) |
| 22:36.50 | Primer | I actually looked at the PitBull4_RangeFinder code |
| 22:36.54 | Primer | and was a bit dismayed |
| 22:37.13 | mitchnull | pb4_rf2 sux too due to the pb4 api :) |
| 22:37.16 | Primer | that it didn't offer more options |
| 22:38.09 | mitchnull | (or my lack of umderstanding of pb4 api) |
| 22:39.04 | Primer | plus I found this: |
| 22:39.08 | Primer | if check_method== "follow" or check_method == "trade" or check_method == "duel" or check_method == "follow" then |
| 22:39.19 | mitchnull | hehe |
| 22:39.52 | mitchnull | well, in any case, rf2 is not worse than the default rf, and it's more customizable/accurate |
| 22:40.29 | mitchnull | the only diownside of it is that it requires an extra lib |
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| 23:53.10 | Ruggiero | how would I save variables between sessions in a library? |
| 23:53.28 | orionshock | you don't |
| 23:54.34 | orionshock | Ruggiero, the nature of a lib prevents you from using SavedVariables in the usual ways |
| 23:54.51 | orionshock | then again that all really depends on what you need to save between sessions |
| 23:54.52 | Ruggiero | indeed, there is no TOC file =/ |
| 23:55.13 | Ruggiero | just a table =P |
| 23:55.25 | orionshock | if it is a "per-addon" type of setting, then you could go the way that LibSink does it |
| 23:55.36 | orionshock | if it's global information then your mostly screwed |
