00:00.51 | arkanes | okay yeah none of the UI really works on OS X |
00:01.15 | Shadowed | I love tickets submitted via curse client |
00:01.16 | Shadowed | "everything is all black and its all black boxes" |
00:01.19 | arkanes | dragging the thumb on the scrollbars doesn't work, you can't equip gear |
00:01.19 | Shadowed | cries |
00:01.30 | arkanes | I guess I should file a ticket |
00:01.33 | arkanes | but thats hard |
00:01.36 | arkanes | ponders. |
00:01.42 | pompy | http://www.cryptozoic.com/index.php |
00:02.12 | arkanes | hey they're hiring |
00:03.13 | arkanes | can I say how much I hate the website design that things I want to look at their website through a business-card sized hole, instead of just sticking content in my browser like a sane person? |
00:04.40 | WobWork | You should join them! |
00:04.43 | WobWork | and edit the page |
00:04.46 | WobWork | FROM THE INSIDE |
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00:07.06 | Repo | 10broker_reczone: 03LordFarlander * r86 / (6 files in 2 directories): Broker_RecZone: |
00:07.08 | Repo | - Zone fixes |
00:07.21 | Repo | - Add support for "neutral" rather than "contested" zones (possibly for future flight path adding) |
00:07.45 | Repo | 10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander * r189 / (5 files in 3 directories): LibLordFarlander-2.0: |
00:07.47 | Repo | - More database updating |
00:07.48 | Repo | - Fix some flight mounts not being detected on mounting too |
00:09.07 | Repo | 10coconuts: 03LordFarlander 043.0.199 * r199 : Tagging as 3.0.199 |
00:09.35 | Repo | 10mini-pet: 03LordFarlander 045.1.208-beta * r209 : Tagging as 5.1.208-beta |
00:10.23 | Repo | 10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander 042.0.189 * r190 : Tagging as 2.0.189 |
00:13.56 | Primer | I remember looking at liblordfarlander when I was doing FlightHUD |
00:14.29 | Primer | Can't say I had good memories of it |
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00:17.43 | bluspacecow | !seen Zeksie |
00:18.03 | bluspacecow | anyone seen zeksie bro around ? |
00:18.10 | Torhal | ~seen zeksie |
00:18.17 | purl | zeksie <n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust23.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 99d 49m 50s ago, saying: '(enjoy)'. |
00:18.36 | bluspacecow | ah some output from the !seen form just public |
00:18.47 | bluspacecow | wait |
00:18.53 | bluspacecow | O_O 99 days ? |
00:19.26 | Primer | he's dead, Jim |
00:19.48 | bluspacecow | :( |
00:19.56 | bluspacecow | really ? |
00:20.09 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r285 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added a new flying mount to the FlyingMounts db file. |
00:20.18 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.9.9-beta * r286 : Tagging as v0.9.9-beta |
00:21.11 | Primer | starts rumors |
00:26.46 | Shefki | bluspacecow: He doesn't get on IRC much. |
00:26.54 | bluspacecow | oh |
00:27.13 | bluspacecow | he still updating his addons ? |
00:27.14 | Shefki | bluspacecow: I'm sure he'll fix X-Perl it just usually takes him some time after a patch. |
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01:04.53 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Shefki * r468 modules (5 files in 1 directory): Fix textures on count modules. |
01:23.13 | Repo | 10bufftimedisplayfixer: 03Contiki * r2 / (12 files in 2 directories): |
01:23.15 | Repo | Initial commit, add-on seems to be working fine, also added meta folder including promotional images |
01:26.41 | Repo | 10bufftimedisplayfixer: 03Contiki 04r2-release * r3 : Tagged as release version |
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02:33.02 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://paste.wowace.com | http://lua.org | Curse Client v4: http://clientupdate.curse.com/setup.exe | WoWInterface Minion: http://minion.mmoui.com/ | http://wowace.com/a/author-store-is-launched | Want your Username changed? http://www.wowace.com/request-name-change/ | Happy Chinese New Year! |
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02:40.08 | Repo | 10querier: 03Torhal 07master * v1.82-29-gf5c25ca Querier.lua: [+2 commits] |
02:40.10 | Repo | f5c25ca: Made cosmetic changes to the code in every function, changed many addon:Print() with concatenations to addon:Printf(), and changed double spaces in strings to a single space. |
02:40.11 | Repo | fe15832: In addon:SpellQuery(): Assign the result of GetSpellLink() to the spell_link variable and then use that rather than calling the function twice. |
02:47.34 | DWSR | Torhal |
02:47.40 | DWSR | What the fuck is a cosmetic code change? |
02:48.28 | DWSR | This sounds a lot like faffery |
02:56.04 | Torhal | DWSR: Ackis likes to put whitespace after the function name, and before the last "end". I don't. He also likes to slap parenthesis around everything. I don't. |
02:56.22 | Torhal | He also likes to not put spaces after commas, puts two spaces after periods in strings. Etcetera. |
02:56.46 | arkanes | Hey, my mom does that |
02:56.50 | arkanes | you don't think... |
02:56.59 | Torhal | ... |
02:56.59 | pompy | ~lart Torhal |
02:56.59 | purl | DoSes Torhal |
02:57.07 | DWSR | Torhal: So basically. |
02:57.13 | DWSR | It's a readability change? |
02:57.19 | Torhal | Yup! |
02:57.52 | DWSR | "cosmetic changes" sounds like you're trying to give someone a blowjob. |
02:58.04 | DWSR | "readability changes" sounds like you actually did work. |
02:58.04 | arkanes | ... |
02:58.17 | Torhal | Potayto, potahto. |
02:58.32 | DWSR | spellcheckfail |
02:58.36 | Torhal | Though I've never met anyone who actually said potahto |
02:58.48 | Torhal | Or tomahto |
02:58.55 | DWSR | Where do you live? |
02:59.26 | Torhal | Right now, in Kentucky. I've lived in Ohio, Louisiana, Virginia... |
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03:27.44 | Shefki | Grum: BTW I was wrong agUF doesn't have it's own status bar implementation and is using Blizzard's, which is why they did the tile stuff. The problem with textures is Blizzard's own tile code didn't work. |
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03:53.13 | Repo | 10querier: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.82-31-g727e575 ItemIDs (7 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
03:53.15 | Repo | 727e575: Merge branch 'master' of git.wowace.com:wow/querier/mainline |
03:53.16 | Repo | dfcd1f5: Removed ids that won't cache at all |
03:53.39 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 99196f2 Datamine.lua: [+1 commit] added a bunch of item ids to the DO_NOT_SCAN table |
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04:02.39 | Repo | 10bufftimedisplayfixer: 03Contiki * r6 meta/description.txt: Updated description text to give a little more information |
04:15.33 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r469 / (5 files in 2 directories): |
04:15.35 | Repo | - MAJOR thanks to Shefki for finding and fixing most of the 3.3.3 issues! |
04:15.36 | Repo | - fixed runes module |
04:15.38 | Repo | - fixed a few other minor issues |
04:17.20 | Primer | Shefki rocks |
04:22.55 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r470 modules/Totems.lua: - fixed totems to work with 3.3.3 |
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04:32.23 | Silowyi | hey anyone know offhand where the background downloader stores it's patches? |
04:32.36 | Silowyi | tyring to patch an old install and don't want to redownload all those files |
04:32.41 | Shefki | Updates under the wow install |
04:33.10 | Silowyi | nvm |
04:33.11 | Silowyi | yup |
04:33.14 | Silowyi | I see it now |
04:33.27 | Shefki | Sometimes it's Patches |
04:33.31 | Silowyi | was looking in the old Windows Vista spot |
04:33.31 | Shefki | BUt lately it's been Updates. |
04:33.54 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic 041.5.17 * r471 : |
04:33.56 | Repo | Tagging as 1.5.17. MAJOR thanks to Shefki for all his work in debugging and repairing much of the 3.3.3 breakage. I would still be searching for a solution without him, most likely. I also wanted to thank everyone who came out to donate in support of the mod. I don't even know what to say - you guys are too generous and very awesome. |
04:33.57 | Repo | Anyway, this release fixes everything (as far as Shefki and I have tested) for 3.3.3. You should be able to use it as you've always done. |
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04:41.01 | Repo | 10querier: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.82-32-gb01986c / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Added Inscription.lua |
04:55.10 | Primer | How come curse's search, despite populating the auto-complete with my addon's name and tag (or whatever that term is), still can't find it when it searches? |
04:57.47 | Shefki | Because the website sucks. |
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05:08.48 | Antiarc | Different index for autocomplete and the actual search, probably |
05:09.09 | Antiarc | I just implemented Xapian as a search backend on my site. It's nifty. :D |
05:11.14 | Primer | I did a test of Xapian vs. Lucene vs. tsearch2 a few years ago |
05:11.20 | Primer | I indexed all of wikipedia |
05:11.47 | Primer | the dump alone was like, 5g at the time...this was probably like 2-3 years ago |
05:12.38 | Primer | all were comparable in terms of speed, once the files were cached in memory |
05:13.45 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r472 modules/SunderCount.lua: - fixed typo in SunderCount causing it to not work |
05:13.53 | Shirik | Repo |
05:13.54 | Shirik | you can die |
05:14.05 | Shirik | nobody is allowed to commit to SVN with "fixed typo" anymore |
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05:18.13 | Parnic | what's wrong with "fixed typo"? :P |
05:18.20 | Shirik | you can die too! |
05:18.27 | pompy | The Glory of the Icecrown Raider (10 player) meta achievement no longer requires Neck-Deep in Vile to be completed. |
05:18.27 | Parnic | should we say "repaired typographical error" instead? :P |
05:18.46 | Shirik | it sets of alarms on my computer because I look for that in another channel, I didn't think about it coming up elsewhere :P |
05:18.58 | Parnic | lol |
05:19.02 | Shadowed | fixed a typo |
05:19.09 | Shirik | not that |
05:19.12 | Shirik | just "fixed typo" |
05:19.16 | Shadowed | oh |
05:19.20 | Shefki | Someone needs to fix the typo in Shirik's name. |
05:21.28 | Parnic | man, within minutes of posting that icehud update, i got a ticket on wowace, a comment on curse, and a comment on wowinterface about sundercount. sheesh |
05:28.02 | Parnic | check this out shefki: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7154/wowscrnshot032410215247.jpg i enabled every single module and wasn't able to reproduce the problem |
05:28.27 | Parnic | that ui is atrocious |
05:29.11 | steev | that is *awesome* |
05:29.25 | steev | i like the 16/16 big green square |
05:29.34 | Parnic | lol |
05:29.50 | Parnic | i had no idea that mods even existed to hold your hand through a spell rotation |
05:30.09 | steev | its umm |
05:30.13 | steev | what is that called |
05:30.36 | steev | i can't remember its name now :( |
05:30.42 | steev | it is on curse though |
05:37.18 | Shefki | Parnic: What's the problem? I'm supposed to be looking for? |
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05:38.48 | quiescens | o.o |
05:38.54 | Shefki | Ohh I see it now. |
05:39.01 | Shefki | The long bar off the left. |
05:39.06 | quiescens | flees. |
05:40.12 | Shefki | Without knowing their config it's hard to guess what module is causing that. |
05:42.15 | Repo | 10querier: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.82-33-g75f10c4 ItemIDs/Inscription.lua: [+1 commit] damn copy and paste fail |
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06:30.33 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r473 modules/PlayerHealth.lua: |
06:30.35 | Repo | - fixed a bug with the incoming heal bar being disabled and causing an oversized green bar to appear |
06:40.57 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal 07master * df2e451 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+21 commits] (17 truncated) |
06:40.59 | Repo | df2e451: Merge branch 'master' of git.wowace.com:wow/arl/mainline |
06:41.00 | Repo | 3178a3d: In MainPanel.scroll_frame:Update(): Re-wrote anchoring code for the state_buttons to take the button_containers into account. Scrolling now works properly with expanded subheaders. |
06:41.01 | Repo | 9a47ee7: Added MainPanel.scroll_frame.button_containers - the state_buttons are anchored to these so they can be moved around easily. |
06:41.02 | Repo | cff0a0b: In MainPanel.scroll_frame:ExpandEntry(): Re-wrote to use InsertEntry() and modified the use of ExpandAcquireData(). |
06:41.35 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic 041.5.18 * r474 : |
06:41.36 | Repo | - fixed giant green bar that would appear for players who had "show incoming heals" disabled |
06:41.37 | Repo | - fixed sunder count module generating an error and not functioning |
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07:05.01 | Silowyi | my scourge strike tooltip says it's doing 91% of weapon damage +946 |
07:05.27 | Silowyi | but I can't figure out what it's taking into account to modify the tooltip like that |
07:06.15 | Repo | 10guildchatflash (experimental): 03DaveErig * r4 Core.lua: Tiny improvements. |
07:08.53 | Repo | 10guildchatflash (experimental): 03DaveErig * r5 GuildChatFlash.toc: Update for 3.3.3. |
07:09.59 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_friendschannel/. Broker_FriendsChannel. Rockj (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
07:16.31 | Repo | 10gridtargets: 03Julith * r8 / (2 files in 1 directory): GridTargets: |
07:16.32 | Repo | - code clean up |
07:16.34 | Repo | - added option to ignore tanks(oRA) for mob target and mob health status |
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07:20.40 | Repo | 10grid-status-control-pipes: 03Julith * r53 / (4 files in 1 directory): GridStatusControlPipes: |
07:20.42 | Repo | - moved pipe status configuration to own sub tree |
07:20.43 | Repo | - fixed spelling of Rogue... |
07:22.41 | Repo | 10gridtargets: 03Julith 04v0.3 * r9 : Tagging as v0.3 |
07:22.54 | theoddone33 | finally killed lk after 3 weeks of wiping to attendance |
07:23.08 | theoddone33 | months behind |
07:23.08 | Repo | 10grid-status-control-pipes: 03Julith 04v1.1 * r54 : Tagging as v1.1 |
07:23.10 | theoddone33 | oh well |
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07:28.58 | SunTsu | theoddone33: don't worry, I didn't even see the third boss in ICC by now.. ;) |
07:33.01 | theoddone33 | I'm so tired of ICC by now, lol |
07:45.54 | Adirelle | Mikk, I've got a small patch for Baggins to display quest item overlays |
07:46.00 | SunTsu | I would like to go to ICC again, but guild's dead, and no pug gives a hearty welcome to a tank who didn't even kill Deathwisper ;) |
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07:46.02 | Adirelle | would you mind I commit it ? |
07:47.02 | quiescens | suntsu: clearly you need to get your raid achievements so that you can raid and get your achievements |
07:47.22 | SunTsu | quiescens: seems like it, yeah ;) |
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07:58.41 | Repo | 10xperl: 03PlayerLin * r359 XPerl_Init.lua: Fix health/mana bar display bug on Patch 3.3.3 |
07:58.51 | nev[work] | Morning |
08:00.33 | orionshock | ok.. afraid to ask this crowd, but nnl. Considering that we write addons for WoW, would the skill of being able to write scrips in Lua at this level be worth putting on a resume? and if so how would you? |
08:00.53 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
08:01.30 | haste | if you use outside of WoW and know how you could just list it as that |
08:01.54 | haste | then again, the jump from WoW's sandbox to the "real" world isn't that much |
08:02.21 | nev[work] | I basically just said that i have experience from working in a development community, project management, user support, and of course all the tools we use |
08:02.22 | Shefki | orionshock: I have Lua on my resume. |
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08:02.32 | Shefki | In fact I have my addon stuff on my resume. |
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08:02.56 | nev[work] | I didn t mention any specifics to wow |
08:03.12 | Shefki | Anyoone that wants to judge me based on wow isn't someone I'd want to work for anyway. |
08:03.23 | haste | if they ask you answer, if not then fine imo |
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08:03.54 | haste | and what Shefki says is true |
08:03.54 | orionshock | Shefki, how did u put it on your resume? |
08:04.01 | Shefki | And in my experience, half the time the tech people also play WoW. |
08:04.07 | haste | as yoy would anything else? |
08:04.26 | orionshock | < young dumb noob & sheltered life :| |
08:05.04 | haste | if that's the case, remember to add key qualifications to your CV |
08:05.14 | haste | as a short application in the "top" |
08:05.17 | Shefki | "World of Warcraft Addon Developer: 2007 - Current |
08:05.25 | Shefki | blah blah blah |
08:05.46 | nev[work] | They were more interested in my other stuff then that anyway |
08:06.07 | nev[work] | That actually never came up in the last interview |
08:06.13 | haste | I would do what nev[work] did however |
08:06.32 | haste | or rather, I do :P |
08:07.21 | SunTsu | you always could end up applying to a guild mate without knowing beforehand ;) |
08:07.30 | orionshock | hehe, Shefki im not that brave.. im going from my first job out of highschool to a hopeful 2nd job, w/o any collage under me |
08:08.14 | haste | orionshock: honestly, if you're afraid that people will judge you, then don't mention it |
08:08.24 | nev[work] | in my last guild i knew were most people lived, so that was unlikely :d |
08:08.34 | haste | it's nothing you should be ashamed of however, experience is experience regardless of where it was earned |
08:10.10 | orionshock | haste, good point. however like many thing's it's all about how you say it, not nessisarily what it's about. IE: i've spoken with management @ my current job about being a guild leader and how there is a range of similarities between being a manager and a guild master. |
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08:11.34 | SunTsu | orionshock: you only need to make clear that you worked in a developer community, know about project management in a world wide developing environment and stuff |
08:12.47 | haste | but you'll have to be ready to answer where if they ask :) |
08:12.49 | SunTsu | as Shefki put it, if they judge you for that chances are good that you wouldn't fit in that company anyway |
08:13.00 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
08:14.47 | orionshock | well i was prompted to put down experience with programing languages.. while really the only one i've worked with is Lua, however nev[work] you make a good point about wowace as a dev community. |
08:15.23 | haste | s/wowace/aceforge/ |
08:15.25 | haste | :-----D |
08:15.35 | orionshock | aceforge ... ^.^ |
08:15.36 | nev[work] | At least mention the tools, xml, svn, etc |
08:15.43 | haste | My ideas, I'm pushing them into your world! |
08:16.06 | nev[work] | Are you applying for a programming job? |
08:17.58 | orionshock | nev[work], not exactly... the group is a new customer service department where previously the guys doing the job where real programmers & sql grunts that where btched into doing menial stuff like pw resets ect. |
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08:19.33 | haste | wow... that sounds.. odd |
08:21.24 | orionshock | well they are the guys handing most of the operation, they also are customer facing.. as you see this is a problem. An Account manager should't be doing PW resets for the masses. They should be handing the "Oh Shit the SQL server broke again" situations. |
08:21.26 | SunTsu | orionshock: and what are you going to do there if you apply successfully? |
08:21.55 | orionshock | SunTsu, i'll be taking over the menial crap while they handle the more complicated stuff. |
08:22.48 | orionshock | sorry im leaving out some details here ofc. |
08:22.59 | Grum | Shefki: yeah i noticed that you could fix it by requesting the texture right after creation and setting the 2 new properties on it to false ... not so ideal but meh it works |
08:27.03 | pompy | stupid spammers, http://i41.tinypic.com/t7opk3.jpg |
08:27.14 | SunTsu | orionshock: Then maybe I wouldn't put the details in. Just that you know Lua, if they are interested in your experience they'll probably ask you about it in an interview |
08:31.54 | orionshock | SunTsu, true |
08:32.26 | orionshock | another question: how to include it with out indicating it's related to the Job listed... |
08:33.25 | SunTsu | orionshock: depends on how you build your cv - I normally include a "knowledge" section |
08:37.13 | haste | don't make a general CV to send out |
08:37.24 | haste | always write your CV towards the job your applying for |
08:37.35 | haste | you can have a general base ofc, but that's it |
08:40.31 | orionshock | what is CV supposed to stand for? |
08:40.40 | olafski | curriculum vitae |
08:41.46 | orionshock | ah, European name for a resume |
08:42.25 | olafski | latin yeah :P |
08:42.47 | olafski | I would assume people in the US also understand it |
08:42.49 | olafski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum_vitae |
08:43.26 | Kalroth | most Americans do :p |
08:44.19 | quiescens | moo |
08:44.49 | Kalroth | Ah, it's different in the states: their resumes are CV length and their CVs are so long that noone reads them |
08:44.50 | orionshock | i got the context but never have seen it before |
08:45.03 | olafski | yeah just saw that in wikipedia |
08:45.11 | olafski | UK CVs are also apparently what I've written |
08:45.17 | olafski | I better revise mine before I go job hunting then |
08:46.54 | SunTsu | I normally split my CV into a short resume, which shows the jobs I did and a longer CV which goes into job details, shows what I did in detail, my responsabilities, projects and such |
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08:46.57 | Repo | 239e255: In ListEntry_OnClick(): Check for "header" or "subheader" based on the type of the line being clicked ("entry" or "subentry") |
08:46.58 | Repo | 670b805: In MainPanel.scroll_frame.Update(): Changed the while loop to actually check the values rather than relying on "stayInLoop". |
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08:47.00 | Repo | c916804: In addon:DisplayTextDump(): Set the cursor to the top of the frame instead of the bottom. |
08:47.21 | SunTsu | sometimes I also add a skill overview where I list my knowledge |
08:47.59 | olafski | hm I'm a student so I don't have a lot of jobs to list |
08:48.06 | olafski | just one, and an internship |
08:48.15 | olafski | I listed both and in about 4 lines for both I summarized what I did there |
08:49.08 | KriLL3 | is there a way to use an item instead of sell it with a vendor window open? |
08:49.23 | SunTsu | olafski: yeah, with me it's a little bit different, did some years of freelancing, am in the 9th year of being an employer at the third company, so I habe a lot of things to list |
08:49.31 | KriLL3 | annoying buying 10 [Commendation of Service] close the vendor window, use em, then talk with the vendor again |
08:50.00 | SunTsu | KriLL3: Tried /use [item]? |
08:50.23 | KriLL3 | "Unknown Macro option: Commendation of service" |
08:50.38 | quiescens | you don't type the []s |
08:50.56 | KriLL3 | they were included when I shift clicked it |
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08:51.15 | KriLL3 | ah. work, thx |
08:51.17 | quiescens | alternatively just drag the commendation item thingy straight onto your actionbar thingy |
08:51.24 | olafski | suntsu: hopefully I will start building up some real experience soon ;) |
08:51.26 | KriLL3 | though there might have been some modifier click that worked |
08:51.39 | quiescens | you can probably afford to replace your "1" button temporarily |
08:51.52 | quiescens | and just buy them, and press 1 on your keyboard repeatedly |
08:52.20 | KriLL3 | they have a 2s cooldown... I'll be at this for a while |
08:52.32 | quiescens | have fun |
08:52.51 | KriLL3 | they should have made ones for more marks |
08:52.53 | SunTsu | then putting them onto the action bar would surely viable |
08:52.55 | KriLL3 | 10/50 |
08:53.03 | KriLL3 | yeah I put it on the var |
08:53.05 | KriLL3 | *Bar |
08:53.10 | SunTsu | +be |
08:53.40 | quiescens | 50 wouldn't be particularly worthwhile |
08:53.44 | KriLL3 | what's the honor cap btw? |
08:53.58 | KriLL3 | quiescens: well anything higher than 1 |
08:54.11 | quiescens | the old marks were unique 100 anyway I think |
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08:54.18 | KriLL3 | yeah, but they stack up in the mail |
08:54.22 | KriLL3 | and I got a ton in the mail |
08:54.27 | SunTsu | KriLL3: 75k AFAIK |
08:54.30 | quiescens | don't they only last one day in the mail |
08:54.32 | quiescens | o.o |
08:54.37 | KriLL3 | quiescens: nope |
08:54.48 | quiescens | iuno |
08:54.56 | quiescens | it was 24 hours last tiem I saw that stuff |
08:58.48 | KriLL3 | 31 days |
08:59.11 | olafski | can't you have your logitech keyboard hax this for you? |
08:59.23 | KriLL3 | don't have a logitech keyboard |
08:59.41 | quiescens | drinking bird |
09:00.47 | Mikk | Adirelle: just check it in |
09:02.19 | olafski | whatever hacker keyboard you have then |
09:02.28 | quiescens | hire a monkey |
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09:03.33 | olafski | that'd probably be more legal |
09:03.43 | KriLL3 | are there any pvp rings between the 226 furious and 264 wrathful? they're unique, can't use 2 of em |
09:04.05 | KriLL3 | olafski: it's a n52te, and it's not really a keyboard per-say |
09:05.19 | olafski | care what you call it.. it's cheating =) |
09:05.23 | Repo | 10smooth-quest: 03Ammo * r89 SmoothQuest.lua: |
09:05.25 | Repo | nolonger desaturate textures since blizzard UI does it by default |
09:05.54 | KriLL3 | I guess using a super high end gaming mouse is cheating in an FPS as well, or a triple monitor setup that gives you a wider FOV |
09:06.15 | olafski | there we have this reasoning again |
09:06.17 | haste | triple monitor would suck |
09:06.18 | KriLL3 | we should all use the exact same hardware and software, anything else is cheating! |
09:06.31 | KriLL3 | haste: what makes you think that? |
09:06.51 | olafski | against the TOU = cheating.. I'm pretty sure automating your maul/swipe is against the TOU, multiple monitors or high end mice aren't |
09:06.53 | haste | I don't remeber what the lines you get between the monitors are called |
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09:06.55 | haste | but they suck |
09:06.59 | olafski | borders? |
09:07.02 | olafski | bezels? |
09:07.18 | haste | they have some fancy name for the borders :P |
09:07.23 | KriLL3 | olafski: maul + swipe is just an image macro, not against TOU |
09:07.36 | quiescens | lies |
09:07.43 | KriLL3 | *ingame |
09:07.49 | olafski | you know what I mean krill3 .. the macro itself isn't against the TOU, having your [whatever you call it] automate it for you is |
09:08.00 | olafski | "qq but my fingers will hurtz" |
09:08.03 | quiescens | drinking bird |
09:08.09 | KriLL3 | it's not automated, I need to press that button every time, and it only sends a keyboard button |
09:08.15 | olafski | that's probably against the rules too quiescens ;) |
09:08.21 | KriLL3 | /cast Swipe (bear) /cast !Maul |
09:08.23 | KriLL3 | that's the macro |
09:08.29 | olafski | I know what a macro looks like |
09:08.35 | SunTsu | having one key press result in more than one key press in game is agains TOU |
09:08.39 | SunTsu | against even |
09:08.45 | olafski | last time you talked about this you said you could keep the button pressed down and it would keep sending it |
09:08.46 | KriLL3 | which I'm not doing |
09:08.55 | SunTsu | them it sounds fine to me |
09:09.10 | KriLL3 | yeah, same as most other keyboards, holding a key repeats it |
09:09.15 | KriLL3 | and it's the same key |
09:09.21 | olafski | heh. that's not the same as most other keyboards in wow |
09:09.28 | SunTsu | olafski: you normally can do that with any keyboard/OS, it's simple key repeating |
09:09.33 | quiescens | clearly the drinking bird only causes one in game event per button press |
09:09.41 | olafski | sure suntsu but I'm pretty sure blizzard doesn't allow that for a reason |
09:09.51 | olafski | or doesn't make it behave like that, rather |
09:10.10 | SunTsu | olafski: so you need to switch of a normal keyboard event to play wow "legally"? |
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09:10.31 | olafski | suntsu: wanna bet he had to set up something special to have it behave like this? "normal keyboards" don't act like this so there's nothing to switch off |
09:11.17 | KriLL3 | I do admit that it's a slippery slope, in theory I could make a macro with this device that in order performs more than one task when pressed, if I were a dps class with a predictable rotation I could make a button perform that rotation over and over until pressed again |
09:11.25 | KriLL3 | I haven't tried and I don't plan on trying |
09:11.42 | quiescens | carefully calibrated drinking bird sequence? |
09:12.02 | olafski | there are fps games where you have to keep clicking the mouse button to shoot non-automatic pistols.. surely you could automatea that and say it's normal keyboard behaviour |
09:12.15 | olafski | automate* |
09:12.31 | KriLL3 | olafski: well there is still a top speed |
09:12.48 | KriLL3 | can't make a macro that shoots a pistol 100 times in a second |
09:13.17 | olafski | you can't make a macro that does maul 100 times in a second either |
09:13.20 | olafski | but it's still against the TOU |
09:13.43 | olafski | despises cheaters |
09:14.03 | KriLL3 | I guess my multiple monitors are cheating as well, I can have wowhead on one of them at the same time |
09:14.19 | olafski | you already brought up that lame reasoning |
09:14.51 | KriLL3 | just saying that expecting everyone to be on even footing isn't reasonable on a PC, if you want that get a console |
09:15.19 | SunTsu | KriLL3: if your keyboard is not working like any other keyboard is, it probably is against TOU |
09:15.22 | olafski | sigh |
09:15.37 | olafski | install an aimbot and say "but you could install it too, so it's not cheating!" amirite? |
09:15.43 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: plenty of keyboards like that, doubt blizz can dictate which keyboard you're allowed to use |
09:15.57 | olafski | they can dictate whether you're allowed to use the mechanic |
09:16.11 | olafski | actually I think they can dictate whatever they want since it's their game and you're agreeing to a TOU when you log in |
09:16.19 | SunTsu | KriLL3: so using any given keyboard, without anything special, would behave like this? |
09:16.34 | KriLL3 | so I guess making a robot that presses keyboard keys in order would be highly illegal as well? =P |
09:16.51 | nev[work] | A robot is fine |
09:16.54 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: yes though the difference would be spamming one button and holding it down |
09:16.58 | olafski | look mommy I can argue semantics! |
09:17.10 | olafski | nev I removed win7 again :( |
09:17.18 | nev[work] | Your loss |
09:17.19 | quiescens | i'm pretty sure terms of use agreements these days essentially allow the company to do anything for any reason, if any reason at all |
09:17.37 | olafski | quiescens: probably.. and this isn't even unreasonable |
09:19.54 | olafski | and wow, that n52te looks like it's made for people with some kind of disability :P |
09:22.32 | SunTsu | KriLL3: there you go, you would need to press that key more than once, therefore it's against TOU |
09:23.26 | olafski | suntsu: Bezel: The front surround of a TV or VDU screen (that, particularly in CRT screens, masks the non-viewable parts). |
09:25.58 | KriLL3 | in multi monitor gaming you can choose if the bezel should essentially act like a frame and hide the content that would be behind it or chop up the image to ensure nothing is lost, though that messes with perspective a bit |
09:27.03 | olafski | really? wow |
09:27.14 | olafski | (both options suck) |
09:27.21 | orionshock | nev[work], does the error [[ AceConfigDialog-3.0-45:256: Method table: 15507AE0 doesn't exist in handler for type values ]] mean anything? |
09:27.35 | KriLL3 | I guess you'd perfer multi monitor gaming with 0 bezel? |
09:27.45 | olafski | I prefer having everything on one screen, yes |
09:28.58 | nev[work] | Orion: probably means something :) |
09:29.13 | olafski | oh well, since you're obviously intent on continuing your cheating I'll just solve it the usual way ;) |
09:29.16 | nev[work] | Hate this phone keyboard |
09:29.30 | olafski | are you at work in a place where they don't have PCs? :] |
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09:29.52 | harl | wuff |
09:30.14 | nev[work] | The pcs just have an incredibly locked down network |
09:31.00 | olafski | they don't want you to irc so you're circumventing it? bad nev! |
09:31.19 | olafski | amsg is bad mkay |
09:36.50 | SunTsu | nev[work]: Are you allowed to install vmplayer? :> |
09:38.03 | SunTsu | some companies allow to install vmplayer via sms or netinstall |
09:38.52 | nev[work] | How does that help me? |
09:40.07 | SunTsu | nev[work]: I assume you are allowed to use https, right? Just put a ssl vpn client into an vmware, tunneling over https to any server you own outside |
09:41.10 | nev[work] | If it would be that easy, i would use a putt ssh tunnel already |
09:41.19 | nev[work] | Putty* |
09:42.10 | SunTsu | so, no https allowed? |
09:42.18 | nev[work] | They have this firewall that injects itself in the ssl traffic and only allows pure http queries |
09:42.26 | arkanes | wow really? |
09:42.49 | SunTsu | so they m-i-t-m your ssl and therefore compromizing security? |
09:42.52 | arkanes | I was just thinking that it's surprising that the more ridiculous sysadmins don't do that |
09:42.53 | orionshock | nev[work], how the f' would they manage that? |
09:43.10 | orionshock | ^^ what SunTsu said |
09:43.11 | nev[work] | Suntsu: yeah, basically |
09:43.11 | arkanes | contrary to popular belief, SSL doesn't not actually prevent MITM |
09:43.21 | arkanes | hmm |
09:43.24 | arkanes | "does not" |
09:43.30 | arkanes | it just allows you to detect it |
09:43.41 | nev[work] | Of course its obvious when you are mitm'ed |
09:43.51 | nev[work] | Every cert is invalid |
09:44.18 | arkanes | and from a security standpoint, especially the standpoint where you're a bitchy control freak sysadmin, there's probably not actually any risk from using a proxy like this |
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09:44.34 | arkanes | assuming the proxy does cert validation and such |
09:44.34 | SunTsu | arkanes: yeah, sure, and therefore you can prevent it yourself |
09:46.13 | nev[work] | Yeah the firewall comes up with an error page on pages with an invalid cert |
09:46.30 | nev[work] | That finally got me to fixing the cert on my webmail |
09:46.34 | nev[work] | :) |
09:46.53 | Kalroth | so you're IRCing from an open http connection atm?! |
09:47.09 | olafski | <PROTECTED> |
09:47.11 | nev[work] | No, 3G on phone |
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09:47.15 | Kalroth | oh damnit |
09:47.38 | Kalroth | I was about to list the top 20 words that FBI would break in doors for |
09:48.36 | nev[work] | I could use freenode ssl.. whats the ssl port again? |
09:48.54 | SunTsu | 443 |
09:49.07 | Kalroth | 7000 and 7070 |
09:49.08 | nev[work] | For freenode! |
09:49.24 | Kalroth | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sslaccess |
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09:50.50 | Kalroth | hi nev! |
09:50.56 | nev[work] | Now even encrypted :d |
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09:51.14 | Kalroth | finally we can discuss dirty Lua secrets |
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09:51.17 | Repo | Text adjustment for better readability in the incoming transmission popup. |
09:51.46 | wink | Kalroth: I'll rip the secrets from your flesh! |
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09:59.37 | Fisker | Kalroth |
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10:00.51 | quiescens | dies. |
10:01.11 | Fisker | no quiescens |
10:01.13 | orionshock | nev[work], i figured out what that error meant... as usual another pebkac |
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10:13.07 | Fisker | hello thar nev[work] |
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10:16.07 | Repo | 7abab6d: update wrath with raid & icc quests |
10:16.12 | Repo | 4e75ffc: add new quests (old quests from when they added the raid stuff) to name scanner |
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10:16.39 | Fisker | what an unfortunate turn of events |
10:16.59 | KriLL3 | can't even make healers notice me post resilience boots + new pvp items with even more resilience, the only thing I can hope to do is slightly inconvenience them with some CC |
10:17.07 | KriLL3 | *boost |
10:17.25 | KriLL3 | and since mana doesn't matter anymore you can't even wear em down |
10:18.22 | KriLL3 | unstoppable force vs immovable object |
10:19.02 | orionshock | immovable object wins :) |
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10:42.28 | KriLL3 | self healing DM after healing the same as your total health within say 10s kthx? |
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10:49.22 | Repo | Support lots of people typing at the same time plus raid and guild chat. |
10:51.21 | KriLL3 | *DR |
10:51.51 | KriLL3 | anyone seen an addon that colors the borders of items depending on their iLVL? want a quick way to determine the quality of gear on me and in my bags etc |
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10:58.22 | Torhal | KriLL3: That's quite a few shades... |
10:58.38 | KriLL3 | well some kind of gamut would work |
10:59.30 | KriLL3 | GS (ohnoes!) uses a couple of gamuts, gray, green-blue then yellow turning orange at at 6000~ red |
10:59.41 | KriLL3 | *and |
11:03.54 | Torhal | That's for a range of scores - I suppose a range of iLevels would work as well. |
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11:27.13 | KriLL3 | yeah |
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13:37.02 | wink | anyone noticed quartz looking like 256 colors lately? |
13:37.08 | wink | since the patch yesterday, actually |
13:37.19 | wink | the Armory texture has a segmented gradient |
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13:42.56 | Mikk | textures are behaving a bit weirdly on and off in general |
13:43.33 | Mikk | like bars that should be solid change .. opacity? saturation? after some distance that i haven't figured out |
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13:57.26 | Repo | 10kg-panels: 03kagaro * r353 kgPanelsConfig/kgPanelsConfig.lua: Fix for FrameFinder |
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14:06.38 | Repo | 10xpbarnone: 03phyber 07master * v1.5-3-g6e15396 Core.lua: [+1 commit] Fix tiling of the bubbles display. |
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14:07.03 | nevcairiel | wink: update to the quartz beta |
14:07.17 | wink | aye, will do |
14:07.23 | nevcairiel | or rather, alpha |
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14:19.44 | wink | nay, won't do :P |
14:20.04 | wink | well, it's not really bad. |
14:20.10 | wink | a little disturbing at most |
14:20.37 | nevcairiel | the segmented gradient was caused by a bug that caused the textures to tile instead of zoom to the correct size |
14:20.43 | nevcairiel | and that was fixed in the quartz alpha |
14:21.15 | nevcairiel | well, worked-around rather |
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14:34.40 | Repo | 21a3c69: In ListItem_OnEnter(): For expanded entry/subentry lines, use the entry's parent's children list for removals. |
14:34.41 | Repo | 60b95d3: In ListItem_OnEnter(): Subheaders can be removed, but headers are forever. |
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16:04.57 | koaschten | anyone here ever converted/migrated a local outlook mailbox into a gmail account? (no google apps, else i would just use google email uploader) |
16:05.23 | Ackis | you can do that? |
16:06.04 | koaschten | no idea, but the worst thing i can imagine is to connect my gmail acc via imap and drag and drop the mails in there |
16:06.11 | koaschten | which i would like to not do |
16:06.35 | industrial | cant uou export/import like normal? |
16:06.57 | koaschten | define normal? |
16:07.13 | koaschten | i have a years old mailbox on a local machine that aggregated 3 pop mail accounts. |
16:07.26 | koaschten | i want to add those pop mails to gmail to aggregate them in one account |
16:07.32 | industrial | export/archive the mail, import in gmail |
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16:08.04 | koaschten | can you import a pst file in gmail? ^^ |
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16:08.28 | Ackis | the link I just looked at said "import it to outlook express, then install firebird, then...." and I was like O_O |
16:08.36 | koaschten | exactly... |
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16:09.29 | koaschten | the "issue" i have is, google offers a way to import it with the email upload thingy, but it only works with the payed google apps mail accounts not the normal gmail ones |
16:09.55 | koaschten | and honestly, i dont feel like drag/dropping 5 years of mails from the pop pst to the imap'ed gmail account |
16:10.20 | Ackis | koaschten: can't you just drag folders? |
16:10.55 | koaschten | what happens to the folders? does gmail convert them to labels? or what happens to them? |
16:11.33 | koaschten | hmm i guess i will just try that. |
16:11.40 | Ackis | let me know how it works |
16:11.52 | Ackis | I have e-mail dating back to... 1995 I think in my .pst's |
16:12.18 | koaschten | i resort to this then i guess: http://www.cjvandyk.com/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=157 |
16:12.28 | Ackis | right now's a good time to convert since I just got a new system |
16:12.45 | Kaelten | http://www.curse.com/articles/blizzard-entertainment-en-news/704590.aspx |
16:13.12 | koaschten | my email is currently running in a vmware image of my broken laptop, i got massive gain from doing the conversion compared to picking it out of the image and locally installing it to the new laptop |
16:13.29 | koaschten | and running in that issue again with the next laptop |
16:13.30 | koaschten | ;) |
16:13.41 | industrial | Ackis: now you can enjoy targeted ads too! |
16:14.15 | Ackis | wot? |
16:15.01 | koaschten | hmm interesting it creates folders in my outlook 2003 like the labels i have in my gmail.. so i guess it does folders -> labels.... i wonder what it does to my 3 steps deep folder trees *cough* |
16:15.09 | koaschten | i probably gonna mess up my account ^^ |
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16:16.13 | nevcairiel | oct eh |
16:16.21 | nevcairiel | thats after my vacation lock |
16:16.24 | nevcairiel | i could even attend |
16:17.02 | koaschten | o.O 23yo old girl found dead after she took away 19yo brothers laptop because his grades got worse from playing wow. stabbed twice in the neck |
16:17.22 | Kaelten | koaschten: blame the playa not the the game |
16:17.50 | koaschten | yeah but the news headlining "harmless computer games?" |
16:17.57 | nevcairiel | any news on when tickets go on sale Kaelten? |
16:18.07 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: not yet |
16:18.42 | Kaelten | koaschten: ya it's tragic, and the guy is obviously messed up in the head, but it's not the games fault, hell it may not even have been the reason why it happened |
16:19.18 | Kaelten | sensationalism in media means that if they can villify a game (or anything really) over something tragic it means good ratings |
16:19.29 | nevcairiel | even if it is, some other silly reason would've caused it sooner or later |
16:19.48 | Kaelten | years ago D&D got blamed for a few deaths, got _tons_ of media coverage |
16:19.53 | Kaelten | in the end one of the guys wasn't even dead |
16:19.55 | koaschten | they claim it happened because she took away his laptop so he couldnt play ... left ear in, right ear out... i ignore those news mostly... till someone asks me "dont you play that game too?" ... |
16:19.57 | Kaelten | he just went missing for a few days |
16:20.23 | nevcairiel | koaschten: then you say "yeah, better dont touch my laptop" |
16:20.54 | Ackis | RepoNew announcement: http://www.curseforge.com/announcements/blizzard-announces-blizzcon-2010/ |
16:20.59 | koaschten | there was a big discussion about counter-strike a few years back, you remember that nevcairiel? i got a "killerspiel spieler" t-shirt back then and wore it in school, teachers weren't amused *cough* |
16:21.07 | nevcairiel | heh |
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16:21.27 | nevcairiel | i had one of those too, even though i dont play counter-strike |
16:21.31 | nevcairiel | but mine broke |
16:21.35 | koaschten | but we had a really good discussion about the topic in sociology class the week after that. |
16:22.02 | koaschten | http://www.3dsupply.de/shop/detail.php?PID=00000118 |
16:22.03 | koaschten | ;) |
16:22.05 | koaschten | get a new one |
16:22.15 | Kaelten | ya, so either guy was unstable, someone else killed her, or he did kill her but for some other reason, but that's the best headline they can come up with. |
16:22.16 | Gnarfoz | "some years back"... it's always going on |
16:22.36 | Kaelten | regardless tragic, but I'll pass on the bullshit sensationalism |
16:22.38 | Gnarfoz | http://www.3dsupply.de/shop/detail.php?PID=00001175 is better |
16:22.45 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: you dont kill your sister unless you are unstable |
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16:22.58 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: you generally don't kill at all unless you're unstable |
16:23.02 | Shadowed | You typically don't k---efb |
16:23.04 | Kaelten | or self defense |
16:23.10 | koaschten | hmm i like the yoda one, now that i browse that page :D "up the shut fuck you must!" |
16:23.21 | Kaelten | koaschten: nice |
16:23.35 | Gnarfoz | I know at least 3 people who own that one |
16:23.43 | nevcairiel | i should get some new tshirts |
16:23.47 | Gnarfoz | (and wear it to the same events, heh) |
16:23.52 | nevcairiel | but then again, i dont think i can wear them to work..mm |
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16:24.07 | Gnarfoz | if only they weren't all black :p |
16:24.14 | wink | everybody stand back! |
16:24.15 | nevcairiel | i already have a ton of shorts to wear for events |
16:24.20 | nevcairiel | shirts* |
16:24.20 | Gnarfoz | (... "white text on a black t-shirt") |
16:24.28 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: thats awesome :D |
16:24.31 | wink | yeah. please don't attend events pantsles, nevcairiel |
16:24.32 | Gnarfoz | it exists |
16:24.38 | koaschten | you can get a white one saying "Sex with your mom - *thumbsup pic* 143 people like this." |
16:24.39 | Gnarfoz | http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-WHITETEXT&Category_Code=QC |
16:24.55 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: yeah, but then again, who uses Failbook here and would get the reference ;o |
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16:25.11 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i know, i read QC :P |
16:25.12 | koaschten | i dont have a facebook account for 1 very good reason |
16:25.23 | koaschten | i dont trust them as far as i can reach with my arm |
16:25.36 | Gnarfoz | it's bad enough I have meinVZ and Xing :F |
16:25.43 | nevcairiel | i only have xing |
16:25.44 | Gnarfoz | whatever madness drove me |
16:27.20 | koaschten | for some reason i am glad my pst is only 500 some MiB |
16:28.15 | koaschten | ackis and yes if you have your emails in a imap capable account you can just drag and drop the stuff into your gmail account via imap |
16:28.23 | koaschten | i hate my 512kb/sec uplink :( |
16:28.40 | koaschten | -account +client |
16:29.29 | Gnarfoz | highly asymmetrical DSL? check. |
16:29.35 | Gnarfoz | blarghs |
16:29.40 | koaschten | 6k/512 aye |
16:29.55 | koaschten | i'd kill for kabel deutschland pilot :/ |
16:30.01 | koaschten | 100/10.... |
16:30.03 | Gnarfoz | why? their upload sucks, too |
16:30.10 | Gnarfoz | oh, that was KabelBW |
16:30.14 | Gnarfoz | 100/2.5 |
16:30.32 | Gnarfoz | (...which isn't even enough for the ACK packets 100mbit/s download would need) |
16:30.46 | koaschten | yeah its roughly 8/1 isnt it? |
16:30.59 | Gnarfoz | VDSL still has the best ratio at the moment, 5:1 down/up |
16:31.10 | Gnarfoz | too bad it costs an arm and a leg |
16:31.26 | Gnarfoz | let's all move to Google, Kansas |
16:31.29 | koaschten | kabeldeutschland is really good, 32/2 for 23€ |
16:31.30 | Gnarfoz | and get 1gbit/s FTTH |
16:31.33 | durcyn | I haven't seen a VDSL package around here capped higher than 15/2 :( |
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16:31.56 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: this vdsl be a product name, not the tech itself |
16:32.23 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: well, fine, go back to germany then. |
16:32.36 | Gnarfoz | meaning, I was referring to a specific vdsl2 based offer by our lovely Telekom overlords |
16:32.45 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: I'm already here =( |
16:32.51 | koaschten | vdsl currently is 50/10 for 50€ here |
16:32.56 | durcyn | it's heartening to know that we're not the only place with fucked up telcos though :) |
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16:33.40 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what the chances are of ending up somewhere in skandinavia, with 100/100 internet (or more!) |
16:33.43 | Gnarfoz | ~8ball |
16:33.44 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Without a doubt |
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16:33.51 | Gnarfoz | hah, if only |
16:33.55 | durcyn | move to korea |
16:34.00 | Gnarfoz | or that, yes |
16:34.07 | koaschten | durcyn with my shitty local telco provider i pay ~30€ for 6k/0.5k adsl and NO inclusive minutes on landline :( |
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16:34.21 | Gnarfoz | or any of the towns google picks for their gbit project |
16:34.49 | koaschten | ackis if you dont have too many mails, that seems to work pretty well. |
16:35.25 | Ackis | combined size of the PST's I think is... 350 megs |
16:35.44 | koaschten | yeah, then just get all your mails into a imap capable client and drag and drop em folderwise |
16:36.10 | Ackis | the question is, do I want to use gmail because then my mail is subject to the american patriot act :P |
16:36.20 | koaschten | i have some folder trees, those get made into labels like newsletter/heise , newsletter/Apple and similar |
16:36.43 | durcyn | Ackis: because unencrypted content transmitted via smtp is a fucking secret to start with |
16:36.47 | koaschten | i gotta admit, i am currently working under the asumption "i am not evil" |
16:36.58 | koaschten | and not expecting google to act under their "dont be evil" |
16:37.24 | Ackis | durcyn: because they'd have the content tracked and logged that I sent 15 years ago? |
16:37.32 | koaschten | i just want it to work again without me having to fire up a frickin' virtual machine to access mails ;) |
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16:41.45 | Megalon | http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/5074429.6_000_trees_felled_on_outskirts_of_Darwen/ |
16:41.52 | Megalon | lol |
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16:42.44 | koaschten | Ackis http://i43.tinypic.com/154acea.png |
16:43.18 | Ackis | that's just dragging the folder over? |
16:43.50 | Ackis | wishes he was a serious jerk. |
16:44.06 | koaschten | yeah ackis |
16:44.47 | koaschten | imap works both directions, so your local imap will be synced towards the "google cloud" and all your mails will appear in your gmail inbox with labels. |
16:44.59 | koaschten | and it even preservers receive/sent date/time |
16:45.52 | koaschten | i wonder if it automagically learns labels once i set gmail to gather the mails from the pop mail that the local account was, THAT would be awesome. |
16:49.39 | nevcairiel | mm it just occured to me .. blizzcon in october means they either release cataclysm later then we expect, or it'll be released shortly after and they cant really give us much new informations on blizzcon |
16:49.49 | nevcairiel | both kinda suck :D |
16:50.00 | Shadowed | Who goes to Blizzcon to hear about Blizzard stuff? :P |
16:50.14 | koaschten | they gonna release sc2 over summer and cataclysm for the holiday season, didnt we agree on that already? |
16:50.27 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
16:50.35 | koaschten | which means, closed/open beta sometime august/sept |
16:50.45 | nevcairiel | earlier i bet |
16:50.45 | sb|work | Gnarfoz: 2.5up is enough for 100m down |
16:50.47 | nevcairiel | july or so |
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16:51.09 | nevcairiel | but that means, everything is already known on blizzcon |
16:51.10 | Gnarfoz | sb|work: someone in here had some math that said it wasn't |
16:51.16 | sb|work | well it works for me... :p |
16:51.19 | nevcairiel | so it would just be d3 news, eh |
16:51.55 | sb|work | koaschten: haha @ 10 degrees, its like 17+ here :p |
16:52.11 | koaschten | well it dropped at least 5° the last 2 hours |
16:52.13 | nevcairiel | my phone thing says 20 |
16:52.14 | Megalon | barbarians now can also be females |
16:52.22 | Megalon | you heard it here first! |
16:52.24 | nevcairiel | keep your cold air up there koaschten! |
16:52.36 | koaschten | you know, cold air drops down nevcairiel |
16:52.39 | koaschten | grins evilly. |
16:52.39 | sb|work | what are you doing koaschten, moving your life to gmail? |
16:52.45 | koaschten | yeah sb|work |
16:52.58 | koaschten | i am sick of my local pop3 mail shit |
16:53.19 | koaschten | and a broken laptop was a good time to do that NOW ;) |
16:53.23 | koaschten | no excuses. |
16:53.47 | nevcairiel | i did that too a while ago |
16:53.55 | nevcairiel | now i dont even intsall a mail client anymore |
16:53.56 | sb|work | same here, ~2-3 weeks :p |
16:53.57 | koaschten | i didnt expect it to be that easy though |
16:54.06 | nevcairiel | web interface and gmail app on phone :d |
16:54.09 | koaschten | just imap into outlook -> drag and drop |
16:54.13 | nevcairiel | yeah |
16:54.23 | sb|work | yep nevcairiel, i still woder why i even open my thunderbird - webmail + iphone is fine |
16:54.43 | koaschten | i did that step with rss feeds a year ago |
16:54.51 | sb|work | google reader? |
16:54.54 | koaschten | yeah |
16:55.01 | sb|work | and btw, "BetterGmail" is great (firefox extension) |
16:55.02 | nevcairiel | i still need to setup my rss feeds again |
16:55.14 | nevcairiel | i kinda lost them |
16:56.06 | sb|work | that extension shows you imap-folders as folders in your browser (nice js menu) - no more "newsletter/konsum/amazon" etc. :) |
16:56.33 | koaschten | yeah, i wonder why they simply cant rss feed newsletter -.- |
16:56.35 | koaschten | sxx |
16:56.37 | koaschten | suxx |
16:56.39 | koaschten | useless spam |
16:57.41 | nevcairiel | most of my folders are archives anyway |
16:57.52 | nevcairiel | i have like 10 visible |
16:57.57 | nevcairiel | all others are hidden |
16:59.02 | koaschten | i wonder what i am going to do with the irc client ... i am sick of that too, any clever solutions for that? |
16:59.25 | nevcairiel | how would you replace a irc client? :d |
16:59.39 | sb|work | koaschten: putty+screen+irssi |
16:59.58 | nevcairiel | if he is sick of his client, thats not going to help, because thats mighty annoying :P |
17:00.03 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
17:00.09 | koaschten | no idea, but i feel lately that mIRC + nnscript became overkill |
17:00.26 | nevcairiel | i use quassel these days, mostly just because of the full backlog |
17:00.34 | sb|work | i use plain mirc + irssi proxy *shrug* |
17:00.35 | Gnarfoz | I don't like any of the clients I tried =\ |
17:00.45 | Gnarfoz | it has to be a native windows app :o |
17:00.47 | nevcairiel | its basically what you get from putty/screen/irssi just in a usable client :p |
17:00.48 | koaschten | well mirc can do that too, but backlog is just hdd space waste after some time ;) |
17:00.59 | Gnarfoz | no, it includes backlog from when your client wasn't on |
17:01.04 | Gnarfoz | your local client, that is |
17:01.14 | koaschten | i dont need a bouncer |
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17:01.23 | Gnarfoz | but it doesn't simply spam you like psybnc or something |
17:01.24 | Gnarfoz | well |
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17:01.38 | Gnarfoz | I'm taking a nap, then! |
17:01.40 | nevcairiel | telnet to the irc server, then! |
17:02.48 | sb|work | mhhhh central core sounds nice nevcairiel, i think i should test quassel |
17:03.18 | olafski | you actually use quassel? |
17:03.24 | olafski | I tried it a while back but it didn't really seem usable |
17:03.26 | nevcairiel | it still lacks most of the "convenience" features you find in other UI clients |
17:03.34 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r475 IceBarElement.lua: - fixed the 'bar visible' checkbox to work again |
17:03.35 | nevcairiel | but for simple chatting its fine |
17:03.38 | olafski | at least 6 months ago though so maybe they changed something |
17:03.41 | olafski | however I like irssi :P |
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17:08.11 | koaschten | quassel/quassel-core sounds nice, but i lack a root shell to take advantage from it. |
17:08.41 | Gnarfoz | it needs root? wtf |
17:08.57 | koaschten | ... a shell I have root access to |
17:09.04 | nevcairiel | no it doesnt need root |
17:09.07 | koaschten | to set it up... damn gnarfoz dont be so picky |
17:09.12 | nevcairiel | you can run it as any user |
17:09.28 | nevcairiel | sadly just requires Qt, which most shells probably dont have |
17:09.30 | koaschten | yeah, but i still would need access to a permanently only shell ;) |
17:09.42 | koaschten | core doesnt need qt the faq says? |
17:09.48 | nevcairiel | it does |
17:09.53 | nevcairiel | just not qt-gui, obviously |
17:09.56 | pentium166 | what's even annoying about irssi |
17:10.04 | nevcairiel | its a freaking CLI client |
17:10.15 | pentium166 | no, it's a text-based client |
17:10.22 | pentium166 | you don't run it on a command line any more than you do xchat |
17:10.27 | nevcairiel | i have a mouse, and i know how to use it |
17:10.27 | pentium166 | or whatever |
17:10.38 | olafski | I don't really see a use for a mouse in an irc client |
17:10.54 | Gnarfoz | pentium166: it's a cli client |
17:11.04 | Gnarfoz | how would I use my mouse through putty |
17:11.59 | CrazyBenny_ | with xming ofcourse :P |
17:12.28 | koaschten | hmm my laptop is complaining... Battery almost depleted (11%) 1h 17min left. |
17:12.30 | koaschten | cute |
17:14.05 | Gnarfoz | CrazyBenny_: get out, you |
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17:16.27 | Kaelten | So I'm revamping ticket submission in the mac client |
17:16.40 | Kaelten | any feedback from you guys about it |
17:16.50 | Kaelten | (i'll take criticisms from both clients) |
17:17.08 | koaschten | fix ads trying to run scripts on local machines ! ;) |
17:17.23 | Shadowed | Kaelten remove it? :P |
17:17.29 | Kaelten | we yelled at ad ops, and i've locked down webkit pretty significantly |
17:17.38 | Shadowed | I think every ticket I've gotten from the curse client is a single line of "It doesn't work" without an error report |
17:17.55 | Shadowed | Maybe some sort of giant text that says "POST AN ERROR FOR THE LOVE OF GOD" |
17:18.03 | Kaelten | Shadowed: well I won't be able to get support in for removal just yet |
17:18.19 | koaschten | Kaelten i got told of in a mail i got that "ads can do and will do it" i was so angry i deleted it :/ |
17:18.25 | Kaelten | but I am going to have like a little slide show that users must click through about "how to file a good ticket" |
17:18.38 | Shadowed | that'd be nice |
17:19.04 | Kaelten | I think the bug support features are a nice thing |
17:19.10 | Kaelten | but we've got to figure out how to minimize the noise |
17:19.17 | Kaelten | koaschten: say again |
17:19.44 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r476 modules/SliceAndDice.lua: |
17:19.46 | Repo | - made sure to set the default height on the slice'n'dice bar to 0 to make sure it doesn't go crazy |
17:20.32 | Kaelten | Shadowed: what kind of information do you think could be useful (if any) thats not currently available to be submitted |
17:20.41 | Shadowed | Really it's just error logs Kaelten |
17:20.53 | Shadowed | maybe some sort of indicator that the user has to look at the tickets in case more information is needed? |
17:21.11 | Kaelten | I'm going to include a big link to the ticket |
17:22.04 | Kaelten | I've been wanting to look into it |
17:22.11 | Kaelten | but some integration with bugsack would probably be doable |
17:22.34 | koaschten | Kaelten -> http://clientsupport.curse.com/ticket.aspx?id=2977 |
17:23.16 | Kaelten | koaschten: in our defense we don't speak german I'd assume |
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17:24.05 | koaschten | well i am totally fine with ads being displayed in the free version, until they start and try running scripts locally to like ... expand over the display area when hovered or crap like that. |
17:24.34 | Kaelten | ya I don't agree with that kinda thing either, but I will say that most ads are dependent on javascript |
17:24.40 | Kaelten | and many on flash |
17:25.31 | koaschten | what happened to the gold old times when ads were plain jpgs... |
17:26.12 | Kaelten | ya I hear ya man |
17:26.42 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r477 modules/PlayerHealth.lua: |
17:26.44 | Repo | - fixed an issue causing a weird shadow to appear on the player health bar without LibCommHeal-4.0 installed |
17:27.19 | Kaelten | what pisses me off the most is when an unsavory one (the auto expanding, or popup type) slip through our filters |
17:27.33 | quiescens | o.o |
17:27.34 | Kaelten | because as hard as our guys work to keep those out, there's a lot of people trying to get them through |
17:27.50 | nevcairiel | its even funnier when a silly script like that then errors :P |
17:28.00 | Kaelten | true |
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17:28.12 | Kaelten | just need a webkit control that can be used in c# |
17:29.43 | nevcairiel | there are things like that, just not sure how good it works |
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17:34.50 | Fisker | what do you need webkit for? |
17:34.53 | Fisker | Babysittin'? |
17:37.14 | koaschten | no, to server hijackin ads to Fisker via curse client. |
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17:42.18 | koaschten | 651 mails to go \o/ |
17:45.11 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r470 / (2 files in 1 directory): blacklist update |
17:46.35 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude 04v4.2.1.3 * r471 : Tagging as v4.2.1.3 |
17:49.25 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r478 modules/SliceAndDice.lua: |
17:49.27 | Repo | - fixed a couple of issues that could cause the SnD bar to display incorrectly |
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18:08.47 | Kaelten | Shadowed: http://grab.by/3jiR |
18:10.23 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r479 modules/CustomBar.lua: |
18:10.25 | Repo | - added user-submitted "max duration" functionality to custom bars such that they can always be a fixed time period |
18:10.37 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: http://grab.by/3jiR |
18:12.12 | Kaelten | anyone? |
18:15.31 | koaschten | looks apple-ly |
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18:17.36 | Kaelten | koaschten: well I'd hope so |
18:17.54 | Kaelten | koaschten: :P |
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18:24.15 | Ackis | koaschten: Kaelten is a mac fangirl |
18:24.42 | koaschten | i am proud to say, i resisted getting a macbook :/ |
18:25.07 | koaschten | but nonetheless i fell for something stylish... |
18:25.16 | koaschten | done uploading my mails by the way Ackis :) |
18:25.26 | koaschten | label overkill and i need to figure out how to lable |
18:25.30 | koaschten | ;) |
18:25.43 | Ackis | yeah I need to make the decision to move away from ISP mail first I think |
18:25.50 | koaschten | 155 MB (2 %) |
18:25.58 | koaschten | i expected worse |
18:26.07 | koaschten | stripping attachments was a good idea :D |
18:27.40 | ckknight | I've grown disenfranchised with Apple |
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18:30.53 | koaschten | i bought an asus CULV subnotebook, against all suggestions to not buy asus. but i fell for the design :/ http://tinyurl.com/yb3b2zd |
18:31.38 | koaschten | and its awesome when it complains at 11% battery that it only can run for another 1h 15min :D |
18:36.23 | Kaelten | note his disenfranchisement coincided with his assignment to a .net project |
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18:55.22 | Fisker | hey koaschten |
18:55.38 | Fisker | since charlie is wrong about everything sofar |
18:55.43 | Fisker | lets hope he's not wrong about performance |
18:55.44 | Fisker | ;3 |
18:56.02 | koaschten | so when does your 480 ship? ^^ |
18:56.06 | Fisker | err |
18:56.11 | Fisker | lets hope he is wrong about performance :P |
18:56.21 | Fisker | and depends on the performance koaschten |
18:56.30 | Fisker | and if we're even getting some anytime soon |
18:56.48 | arkanes_ | get more SSDs |
18:57.25 | koaschten | one is enough for the start... next ssd is a sandstom :X |
18:57.46 | koaschten | replace indilinx in desktop, move to laptop, *wooosh* |
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19:08.09 | Shadowed | Kaelten looks good |
19:10.10 | wink | I'd need a photo to verify this |
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19:27.00 | Megalon | fap alert! |
19:28.14 | durcyn | kaelten's a sensual man. |
19:29.22 | Kaelten | Feedback please: http://grab.by/3jrK |
19:29.25 | Kaelten | Shadowed ^ |
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19:29.35 | Kaelten | Hi EthanCentaurai |
19:29.41 | EthanCentaurai | hiya |
19:29.48 | Shadowed | looks good Kaelten |
19:29.57 | Kaelten | EthanCentaurai: I'm soliciting feedback for my revamp to ticket submission |
19:30.02 | Kaelten | wanna help? |
19:30.12 | EthanCentaurai | sure, what do I need to do? |
19:30.17 | Kaelten | Shadowed: think those tips can actually help us get less noise? |
19:30.23 | Kaelten | EthanCentaurai: gief feedback http://grab.by/3jrK |
19:30.27 | Shadowed | Kaelten, no but I think it's a nice thought :P |
19:30.42 | Shadowed | nobody reads! |
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19:31.01 | Kaelten | EthanCentaurai: http://grab.by/3jiR |
19:31.14 | Kaelten | Shadowed: that may be true, but I hope, really hope, that we can make it better |
19:31.36 | Kaelten | I really think the bug submission stuff is good for authors in theory, but the current implementations make it hard to get anything worthwhile out of it |
19:31.56 | genetik- | Kaelten: i think the list on the right should be bulletted or otherwise indented a bit. looks weird as it is |
19:32.12 | genetik- | not including the header, of course |
19:32.35 | Ackis | Shadowed: I'm always bitching in his ear about morons that use the systme |
19:32.37 | Ackis | *system |
19:32.45 | Shadowed | I already suggested removing it, no dice! |
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19:32.57 | Shadowed | Some sort of extra box people could put bug reports in would be a good idea |
19:33.03 | Shadowed | so people see "HEY PUT THINGS HERE: |
19:33.13 | EthanCentaurai | looks good |
19:33.24 | EthanCentaurai | but what's with the "ovens may be very hot?" :p |
19:33.31 | Kaelten | genetik-: http://grab.by/3jso |
19:33.38 | genetik- | yeah, that looks better |
19:34.05 | wink | yes, better |
19:34.15 | Kaelten | had to make the window slightly larger |
19:34.17 | Kaelten | due to that |
19:34.22 | wink | Kaelten: one thing, button placement |
19:34.34 | genetik- | Kaelten: can't have the list elements wrap? |
19:34.39 | wink | why is the lesser-used(I presume) switch nearer to the form than the OK |
19:34.47 | wink | OK should be easier at hand |
19:34.55 | wink | s/OK/Submit/ ofc |
19:35.03 | Kaelten | genetik-: hrm I could but I figured a quick one liner would get more people to read |
19:35.12 | Ackis | wink: mac standard UI stuff apparently :P |
19:35.15 | Kaelten | wink: well atm I'm following the osx convention of "OK" being at the bottom right |
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19:35.48 | wink | ok |
19:35.54 | wink | not a mac person |
19:35.58 | wink | but it's weird |
19:36.09 | genetik- | usability debate of the century |
19:36.09 | genetik- | heh |
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19:37.24 | Kaelten | hehe |
19:37.29 | Kaelten | well I'm open to ideas mind you |
19:37.34 | wink | ups the shut fuck |
19:37.49 | Kaelten | maybe if I wrap the bullets a little it'd help me get it a little closer |
19:37.52 | Kaelten | thoughts on wrapping? |
19:37.54 | wink | nah, it's fiiiiinnneeee (as in Carlin "fine") |
19:38.25 | arkanes_ | should use a notebook or listbook or other selector style interface instead of a "switch" button |
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19:38.47 | genetik- | Kaelten: able to link "check if the request has been made before" to anywhere for the user to check? |
19:39.39 | Kaelten | genetik-: I was thinking about that |
19:39.51 | Kaelten | I could add a search button potentially |
19:40.00 | Kaelten | based on the title |
19:40.15 | wink | pear.php.net has this and it's semi-useful |
19:40.23 | wink | sometimes you get a good match for a bug |
19:40.29 | wink | sometimes you only go "WTF?" |
19:40.32 | arkanes_ | UIs I've seen before have you enter the title first, and there's a listbox of likely hits before you continue with the submit |
19:40.34 | wink | (it's for bugs, not suggestions) |
19:40.50 | arkanes_ | it should certainly happen before the user fills out the bulk of the report |
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19:41.06 | EthanCentaurai | ~wowspell 30805 |
19:41.07 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=30805 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=30805 |
19:41.32 | Kaelten | arkanes_: hrm |
19:41.43 | genetik- | Kaelten: basically, if you suggest to the user that they should do something, you should provide a straightforward or automated way for them to do that |
19:41.49 | Kaelten | It'd be pretty difficult for me to get the search results back into the client |
19:41.59 | Kaelten | I could offer a link so they could search on the site pretty easily though |
19:42.37 | wink | that's bad |
19:42.54 | arkanes_ | I'm tyring to remember where I've seen the UI I'm thinking of |
19:43.16 | arkanes_ | basically you type in the one liner description, it pulls up a list and says "is it one of these?", and then if not you can get to the form proper |
19:43.22 | arkanes_ | maybe pythons |
19:45.44 | genetik- | Kaelten: do you really want them to keep feature requests as simple as possible? i don't see any reason to limit the details. |
19:46.12 | arkanes_ | I'm not sure I'd even encourage feature requests through the client |
19:46.23 | arkanes_ | bug reports should be made easy, and encourage as detailed of reporting as possible |
19:46.33 | arkanes_ | but simple |
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19:50.13 | Kaelten | genetik-: how am I limiting the details? |
19:50.37 | genetik- | "keep it as simple as possible" |
19:50.39 | genetik- | maybe i'm just mis-reading it |
19:51.14 | genetik- | but it sounds like you don't want them to write exactly what they're looking for, but just a short one-liner overview |
19:51.58 | Kaelten | no not at all |
19:52.15 | genetik- | ok, the maybe the wording could use some work :) |
19:52.18 | Stanzilla | and the whole realmpool is down again |
19:52.19 | genetik- | s/the/then/ |
19:52.23 | Stanzilla | fu blizzard |
19:53.29 | Kaelten | genetik-: happy to entertain suggestions |
19:53.30 | Kaelten | :) |
19:53.48 | genetik- | well, what were you trying to suggest them to do with that tip? |
19:53.57 | EthanCentaurai | Stanzilla: this is what happens when people make Blizzard rush their patches out |
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19:54.44 | Stanzilla | our realmpool has been unstable for |
19:54.45 | Stanzilla | um |
19:54.47 | Stanzilla | 1 month now |
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19:54.54 | Pneumatus | eu cyclone? |
19:55.01 | Stanzilla | blutdurst |
19:55.05 | Kaelten | genetik-: generally avoid super extravegent ideas, and try to encourage them to follow the 1 feature per reqeust thing |
19:55.18 | quiescens | world peace? |
19:55.19 | Pneumatus | cyclone is broken also |
19:55.35 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r480 / (5 files in 2 directories): |
19:55.37 | Repo | - added some code to hide a bar if its height would have been set to 0. not sure why, but GlowArc and HiBar are having issues with zero-height bars, so this seems to fix it without needing to figure out what's up with the texture |
19:56.27 | genetik- | Kaelten: maybe replace that tip with a repeat of "only one feature per request", the second one having an '!' |
19:56.36 | genetik- | since it seems like that's the end goal |
19:56.47 | Kaelten | ya |
19:56.49 | Kaelten | it really is |
19:56.51 | Kaelten | I might do that |
19:56.57 | genetik- | extravegant ideas are fine, i think.. it's just when it spans too broad |
19:57.06 | Kaelten | ya |
19:58.50 | genetik- | as far as the layout goes, i might play around with stacking the label on top of the input field to give them more width.. or at least for the feature description field |
19:59.00 | genetik- | narrow textareas can be a pain to use |
20:00.17 | Kaelten | http://grab.by/3jvL |
20:00.20 | Kaelten | some slight tweaks |
20:00.30 | CrazyBenny_ | nice, I login after month and server goes down within 5 mins... |
20:00.43 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic 041.6 * r481 : Tagging as 1.6 |
20:04.25 | nicoli_s | looks nice Kaelten |
20:04.36 | nicoli_s | im not a mac-crazy but its nice and clean, just as it should be |
20:06.09 | harl | seems like eu logon server's cramped |
20:06.29 | wink | damn, and I'm not logged in |
20:06.49 | wink | goes to devour more B-Trees and stuff |
20:07.07 | harl | and my realm pool died a few minutes ago, it's back up but i can't get onto it.. |
20:07.33 | harl | any of them |
20:07.58 | EthanCentaurai | everyone on EU-Cyclone has invaded EU-AzjolNerub and are now spamming in Dalaran... fucking children |
20:08.18 | nevcairiel | i didnt |
20:08.31 | Kalroth | harl: cyclone? |
20:08.42 | Kalroth | i blame nev |
20:08.54 | harl | no, Kalroth |
20:08.58 | EthanCentaurai | heh, seemed like everyone |
20:09.05 | Kalroth | oh, i blame you then, harl! |
20:09.16 | EthanCentaurai | 300+ level one naked gnomes yelling blue murder at Blizzard |
20:09.27 | harl | you're welcome, Kalroth (but it's not my fault, still) |
20:09.29 | EthanCentaurai | before I left :p |
20:09.48 | nevcairiel | i never understood why people do that |
20:10.31 | nevcairiel | like blizzard even notices |
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20:11.31 | Kaelten | http://grab.by/3jxp |
20:11.32 | harl | they do, actually, they tend to go and even ban a few of them for an hour or two. |
20:11.43 | Kaelten | another iteration with some tweaks to the ui |
20:14.00 | wink | oh, colored button! *scnr* |
20:15.22 | nevcairiel | i would remove the ten char minimum text and just show it in red or so when the user fails to provide 10 chars |
20:15.41 | Kaelten | nevcairiel thought about that, but do you think people would actually get it |
20:16.22 | EthanCentaurai | is it supposed to say "Feature Request for the Curse Client" if it's for an addon? Just asking as it also says "Keep it relevant to the project" in the side tips |
20:16.39 | EthanCentaurai | or is this really for the Curse Client only? |
20:16.51 | Kaelten | no that'll change at run time |
20:16.56 | Kaelten | it's just placeholder text |
20:16.59 | EthanCentaurai | ok |
20:19.29 | Kaelten | http://grab.by/3jy2 text alignment fix |
20:25.55 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: thoughts |
20:25.55 | Kaelten | http://grab.by/3jyN |
20:27.51 | nevcairiel | you could add some smallish text below the description label explaining what the description should really contain, the tips on the other side seem to be more of a generic type |
20:28.18 | wink | Kaelten: it seriously needs a paper clip assistant |
20:28.40 | nevcairiel | but then that might make it look too overloaded |
20:29.32 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I thought about putting the tips there, but I thought it looked too crampt |
20:31.35 | nevcairiel | yeah, i guess it would |
20:32.59 | Kaelten | any more thoughts before I move on? |
20:33.03 | Kaelten | http://grab.by/3jyZ is where I'm at now btw |
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20:34.40 | harl | damn blutdurst *insert more ranting here* |
20:34.46 | Stanzilla | yes |
20:34.50 | Stanzilla | fix blutdurst |
20:36.30 | asmodai | In the category "what did you expect" Blizzard announced BlizzCon 2010. |
20:36.48 | wink | hehe |
20:36.51 | wink | and it's in Anaheim |
20:36.59 | asmodai | Ok, October this year instead of August. |
20:37.04 | asmodai | And yes, Anaheim. |
20:38.42 | asmodai | "BlizzCon tickets sold out in less than 1 minute. That's even faster than Ret Paladins can storm the forums after a nerf." |
20:39.01 | wink | wow |
20:39.03 | wink | freaks |
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20:41.40 | harl | although not all realms of the same realm pool seem to suffer of the same issues, there clearly is something amiss when about 1/4 of the realm list is flagged as offline |
20:42.08 | harl | and at the same time, my friend's telling my she's still sittin in dalaran with her death knight on a realm that's is seemingly offline to me |
20:42.12 | harl | -is |
20:47.50 | Corally | yha some people seams to be able ti logon and walk around but they can't do any changes to here characters gear/spec |
20:48.04 | Corally | but they can cast spells and see the chat |
20:48.14 | Corally | there* |
20:49.07 | stolenlegacy | strange AceGUI error :/ (error: http://paste.wowace.com/1877/) (code: http://paste.wowace.com/1879/) |
20:49.17 | stolenlegacy | can't find out why this occurs :/ |
20:49.27 | Pneumatus | ~wowalert |
20:49.28 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
20:50.28 | asmodai | http://i.imgur.com/mwZSR.jpg |
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21:08.20 | Kaelten | Feedback on the bug support panel please: http://grab.by/3jDI |
21:09.57 | harl | lol, asmodai.. |
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21:10.48 | Kaelten | Shadowed: ^ |
21:10.56 | Shadowed | apples |
21:10.59 | Shadowed | looks good |
21:11.06 | Kaelten | any feedback on the tips? |
21:11.25 | Shadowed | hrm |
21:12.14 | Shadowed | "If something is broke" should be "If something is broken" |
21:12.33 | Shadowed | "If something is broken, give a reasonable description on how it's broken" |
21:13.02 | Shadowed | "Bug report for the Curse Client" should probably be "Report a bug from the Curse Client"? |
21:13.17 | Kaelten | thinking about replacing it when "Two word reports are seldom helpful and are often ignored" |
21:13.20 | Shadowed | Unless those are just quick texts, not the actual :P |
21:13.37 | Kaelten | ya those are quick, will be replaced at runtime |
21:13.48 | Shadowed | You could say something like "The more detail provided, the faster a bug can be fixed" |
21:14.15 | Kaelten | I know I get a lot of "It's broken! help!" |
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21:16.50 | Kaelten | Shadowed: how about "The more details given, the faster it can be fixed" |
21:16.56 | Shadowed | yea that's good |
21:17.08 | Shadowed | well, "bugs can" not "it can" |
21:17.19 | Shadowed | But I'm just being nit picky :P |
21:17.31 | Kaelten | those two extra letters cause an extra line wrap |
21:20.49 | Shadowed | hah |
21:21.26 | Kaelten | ooh, nvm that box wasn't as wide as the others |
21:22.44 | Kaelten | http://grab.by/3jF7 |
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21:24.06 | Shadowed | "Provide any in-game errors in the description" perhaps? |
21:24.28 | Kaelten | hrm |
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21:26.10 | Primer | Whoever said that GetPlayerFacing() now returns -2pi to 2pi since the patch...I've not observed this |
21:26.30 | Primer | < MysticalOS> sigh, 3.3.3 broke arrows too. -- GetPlayerFacing seems to return values between -pi and pi instead of 0 - 2pi sometimes since 3.3.3 |
21:26.40 | Primer | large scrollback is good |
21:26.56 | Primer | -pi and pi, that is |
21:28.55 | harl | yep |
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21:29.43 | koaschten | euro servers are like jojo's today |
21:30.14 | SunTsu | never play in patch week :> |
21:31.25 | KriLL3 | mine has been very stable |
21:31.41 | KriLL3 | people in BGs are constantly getting "server restarting" messages, but not me |
21:31.53 | SunTsu | mine is there, a second after a failed try to log in |
21:32.55 | wink | the cheese for glowergold takes 5min to respawn |
21:32.57 | wink | awesome bug |
21:34.06 | KriLL3 | heh |
21:35.05 | KriLL3 | I haven't had any issues, other than some serious testing of my patience, those bg honor tokens, and getting WSG as my random bg most of the day and always loosing due to uncoordinated deathmatch like gameplay on my team's part |
21:36.04 | Corally | KriLL3: Go hore insted hehe |
21:36.18 | Corally | horde* |
21:36.21 | KriLL3 | I've been both, and it's no different |
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21:36.40 | Corally | ok try horde on cyclone we neaver lose :) |
21:36.42 | KriLL3 | your faction seems destined to suck |
21:36.51 | KriLL3 | find that doubtful |
21:37.04 | Corally | we win like 80% of the bgs |
21:37.17 | Corally | and have WG 80-90% of the time |
21:37.33 | KriLL3 | well I've been both factions on the same battlegroup... and it still feels like we loose most of them on both sides |
21:37.47 | Corally | haha bad timing maby :) |
21:37.52 | KriLL3 | guess it's because you remember the losses more |
21:38.42 | Corally | yha probobly.. hey that whould be a nice addon, that check how manny % av all bgs you lose/win xD |
21:38.56 | KriLL3 | plenty of those |
21:38.59 | Corally | :( |
21:39.31 | KriLL3 | had to reset my statistics though, want to check which BG gives the most honor/time now, with kills giving 2x what they used to some other instance might de-throne AV for honor grinding |
21:40.08 | KriLL3 | which would be nice, well unless it's WSG/EOTS, rather put a fork in my eye than spend time in those |
21:40.47 | Corally | hehe i like them ^^ |
21:41.04 | Corally | if you are like a 3v3 arena team going in there |
21:42.04 | KriLL3 | eots is tedious since there are so many weird pieces of terrain, a real annoyance navigating it and keeping track of the weird ways people can avoid you, and there are so many drops boomkins/elemental shamans can exploit to make you fall to your death |
21:42.19 | KriLL3 | also it's a bit weird, there is a flag and bases, it's like WSG + AB |
21:42.25 | KriLL3 | a bit of a clusterfuck |
21:43.02 | Corally | haha well what can you say blizzard are out if ides |
21:53.50 | Repo | 10querier: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.82-35-g04dba4b / (6 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
21:53.52 | Repo | 04dba4b: Added/removed item ids .. stop reseting the cache blizz argh :) |
21:53.57 | Repo | 0af49bf: querier will print out what item id won't cache |
21:54.03 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 97eed44 Datamine.lua: [+1 commit] Corrected a typo of a recipe item id in the SPELL_TO_RECIPE_MAP table and added a bunch of Blacksmithing item ids to the DO_NOT_SCAN table |
21:55.29 | industrial | Any hunters in here? I need help on my gear. |
21:56.07 | industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=eu.grim-batol.seryan |
21:56.08 | KriLL3 | can't you faceroll it= |
21:56.10 | KriLL3 | ? |
21:56.32 | industrial | I am wondering if I should go for ArP like that. if it weighs up. I could also just pump AGI everywhere .. |
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21:57.35 | KriLL3 | I think armor penetration scales exponentially, a little is fairly useless, a lot is very good |
21:57.45 | industrial | 35% |
21:57.46 | industrial | atm |
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22:07.43 | koaschten | industrial did you try loading your char in Rawr? |
22:07.55 | industrial | nop |
22:08.13 | koaschten | there is a silverlight web version up at elitistjerks. |
22:08.35 | koaschten | hujianing |
22:08.44 | koaschten | http://elitistjerks.com/rawr.php |
22:10.01 | industrial | eep silverlight, not on my pc you dont! :p |
22:14.31 | KriLL3 | ?... |
22:14.40 | KriLL3 | should be pre-installed if you got a semi modern OS |
22:15.35 | industrial | its again MS'es policy of 'lets do what they do but have our own version'. |
22:15.55 | industrial | but HTML5 is going to fix all that (and flash) soon enough for content delivery. |
22:16.12 | KriLL3 | actually silverlight is better than flash in many ways |
22:16.35 | KriLL3 | problem with HTML5 is the current bifurcation of codecs |
22:16.49 | industrial | I dont like flash either, by the way. |
22:17.14 | KriLL3 | theora was the original one used in demos etc but youtube uses h.264 since all their video is that codec already, issue with h.264 is that it's proprietary, and thus you're left with the same issues |
22:17.25 | NeoTron | KriLL3: especially the linux support? :P |
22:18.03 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: sorry no idea what it is, don't use/care about *nix |
22:18.18 | KriLL3 | well except for servers/routers, where you're not likely to need it |
22:19.03 | industrial | I think we are then far away from the same issues |
22:19.14 | industrial | namely the whole distribution platform not being proprietary, just the codec |
22:19.29 | industrial | and you can do a lot with the canvas element |
22:19.47 | industrial | there is already an IDE being developed with javascript that feels like a real IDE (well editor at the moment feautrewise) |
22:19.56 | KriLL3 | well true, but it's still an issue |
22:22.36 | industrial | and while were still talking proprietary - I think microsofts Jscript was retarded (they just made their own version, see a theme?). |
22:23.14 | industrial | "Due to the widespread success of JavaScript as a client-side scripting language for web pages, Microsoft developed a compatible dialect of the language, naming it JScript to avoid trademark issues." -- wikipedia |
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22:24.20 | industrial | as if its not possible license wise to distribute open source software with proprietary .. just separate it. |
22:24.33 | industrial | no, they do it because its microsoft. |
22:24.43 | industrial | but enough ranting, back to my huntard! :D |
22:24.53 | Primer | no no, keep going |
22:25.08 | Megalon | rants Primer |
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