IRC log for #wowace on 20100325

00:00.51arkanesokay yeah none of the UI really works on OS X
00:01.15ShadowedI love tickets submitted via curse client
00:01.16Shadowed"everything is all black and its all black boxes"
00:01.19arkanesdragging the thumb on the scrollbars doesn't work, you can't equip gear
00:01.19Shadowedcries
00:01.30arkanesI guess I should file a ticket
00:01.33arkanesbut thats hard
00:01.36arkanesponders.
00:01.42pompyhttp://www.cryptozoic.com/index.php
00:02.12arkaneshey they're hiring
00:03.13arkanescan I say how much I hate the website design that things I want to look at their website through a business-card sized hole, instead of just sticking content in my browser like a sane person?
00:04.40WobWorkYou should join them!
00:04.43WobWorkand edit the page
00:04.46WobWorkFROM THE INSIDE
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00:07.06Repo10broker_reczone: 03LordFarlander * r86 / (6 files in 2 directories): Broker_RecZone:
00:07.08Repo- Zone fixes
00:07.21Repo- Add support for "neutral" rather than "contested" zones (possibly for future flight path adding)
00:07.45Repo10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander * r189 / (5 files in 3 directories): LibLordFarlander-2.0:
00:07.47Repo- More database updating
00:07.48Repo- Fix some flight mounts not being detected on mounting too
00:09.07Repo10coconuts: 03LordFarlander 043.0.199 * r199 : Tagging as 3.0.199
00:09.35Repo10mini-pet: 03LordFarlander 045.1.208-beta * r209 : Tagging as 5.1.208-beta
00:10.23Repo10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander 042.0.189 * r190 : Tagging as 2.0.189
00:13.56PrimerI remember looking at liblordfarlander when I was doing FlightHUD
00:14.29PrimerCan't say I had good memories of it
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00:17.43bluspacecow!seen Zeksie
00:18.03bluspacecowanyone seen zeksie bro around ?
00:18.10Torhal~seen zeksie
00:18.17purlzeksie <n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust23.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 99d 49m 50s ago, saying: '(enjoy)'.
00:18.36bluspacecowah some output from the !seen form just public
00:18.47bluspacecowwait
00:18.53bluspacecowO_O 99 days ?
00:19.26Primerhe's dead, Jim
00:19.48bluspacecow:(
00:19.56bluspacecowreally ?
00:20.09Repo10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r285 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added a new flying mount to the FlyingMounts db file.
00:20.18Repo10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.9.9-beta * r286 : Tagging as v0.9.9-beta
00:21.11Primerstarts rumors
00:26.46Shefkibluspacecow: He doesn't get on IRC much.
00:26.54bluspacecowoh
00:27.13bluspacecowhe still updating his addons ?
00:27.14Shefkibluspacecow: I'm sure he'll fix X-Perl it just usually takes him some time after a patch.
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01:04.53Repo10ice-hud: 03Shefki * r468 modules (5 files in 1 directory): Fix textures on count modules.
01:23.13Repo10bufftimedisplayfixer: 03Contiki * r2 / (12 files in 2 directories):
01:23.15RepoInitial commit, add-on seems to be working fine, also added meta folder including promotional images
01:26.41Repo10bufftimedisplayfixer: 03Contiki 04r2-release * r3 : Tagged as release version
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02:40.08Repo10querier: 03Torhal 07master * v1.82-29-gf5c25ca Querier.lua: [+2 commits]
02:40.10Repof5c25ca: Made cosmetic changes to the code in every function, changed many addon:Print() with concatenations to addon:Printf(), and changed double spaces in strings to a single space.
02:40.11Repofe15832: In addon:SpellQuery(): Assign the result of GetSpellLink() to the spell_link variable and then use that rather than calling the function twice.
02:47.34DWSRTorhal
02:47.40DWSRWhat the fuck is a cosmetic code change?
02:48.28DWSRThis sounds a lot like faffery
02:56.04TorhalDWSR: Ackis likes to put whitespace after the function name, and before the last "end". I don't. He also likes to slap parenthesis around everything. I don't.
02:56.22TorhalHe also likes to not put spaces after commas, puts two spaces after periods in strings. Etcetera.
02:56.46arkanesHey, my mom does that
02:56.50arkanesyou don't think...
02:56.59Torhal...
02:56.59pompy~lart Torhal
02:56.59purlDoSes Torhal
02:57.07DWSRTorhal: So basically.
02:57.13DWSRIt's a readability change?
02:57.19TorhalYup!
02:57.52DWSR"cosmetic changes" sounds like you're trying to give someone a blowjob.
02:58.04DWSR"readability changes" sounds like you actually did work.
02:58.04arkanes...
02:58.17TorhalPotayto, potahto.
02:58.32DWSRspellcheckfail
02:58.36TorhalThough I've never met anyone who actually said potahto
02:58.48TorhalOr tomahto
02:58.55DWSRWhere do you live?
02:59.26TorhalRight now, in Kentucky. I've lived in Ohio, Louisiana, Virginia...
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03:27.44ShefkiGrum: BTW I was wrong agUF doesn't have it's own status bar implementation and is using Blizzard's, which is why they did the tile stuff.  The problem with textures is Blizzard's own tile code didn't work.
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03:53.13Repo10querier: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.82-31-g727e575 ItemIDs (7 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
03:53.15Repo727e575: Merge branch 'master' of git.wowace.com:wow/querier/mainline
03:53.16Repodfcd1f5: Removed ids that won't cache at all
03:53.39Repo10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 99196f2 Datamine.lua: [+1 commit] added a bunch of item ids to the DO_NOT_SCAN table
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04:02.39Repo10bufftimedisplayfixer: 03Contiki * r6 meta/description.txt: Updated description text to give a little more information
04:15.33Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r469 / (5 files in 2 directories):
04:15.35Repo- MAJOR thanks to Shefki for finding and fixing most of the 3.3.3 issues!
04:15.36Repo- fixed runes module
04:15.38Repo- fixed a few other minor issues
04:17.20PrimerShefki rocks
04:22.55Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r470 modules/Totems.lua: - fixed totems to work with 3.3.3
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04:32.23Silowyihey anyone know offhand where the background downloader stores it's patches?
04:32.36Silowyityring to patch an old install and don't want to redownload all those files
04:32.41ShefkiUpdates under the wow install
04:33.10Silowyinvm
04:33.11Silowyiyup
04:33.14SilowyiI see it now
04:33.27ShefkiSometimes it's Patches
04:33.31Silowyiwas looking in the old Windows Vista spot
04:33.31ShefkiBUt lately it's been Updates.
04:33.54Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic 041.5.17 * r471 :
04:33.56RepoTagging as 1.5.17. MAJOR thanks to Shefki for all his work in debugging and repairing much of the 3.3.3 breakage. I would still be searching for a solution without him, most likely. I also wanted to thank everyone who came out to donate in support of the mod. I don't even know what to say - you guys are too generous and very awesome.
04:33.57RepoAnyway, this release fixes everything (as far as Shefki and I have tested) for 3.3.3. You should be able to use it as you've always done.
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04:41.01Repo10querier: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.82-32-gb01986c / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Added Inscription.lua
04:55.10PrimerHow come curse's search, despite populating the auto-complete with my addon's name and tag (or whatever that term is), still can't find it when it searches?
04:57.47ShefkiBecause the website sucks.
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05:08.48AntiarcDifferent index for autocomplete and the actual search, probably
05:09.09AntiarcI just implemented Xapian as a search backend on my site. It's nifty. :D
05:11.14PrimerI did a test of Xapian vs. Lucene vs. tsearch2 a few years ago
05:11.20PrimerI indexed all of wikipedia
05:11.47Primerthe dump alone was like, 5g at the time...this was probably like 2-3 years ago
05:12.38Primerall were comparable in terms of speed, once the files were cached in memory
05:13.45Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r472 modules/SunderCount.lua: - fixed typo in SunderCount causing it to not work
05:13.53ShirikRepo
05:13.54Shirikyou can die
05:14.05Shiriknobody is allowed to commit to SVN with "fixed typo" anymore
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05:18.13Parnicwhat's wrong with "fixed typo"? :P
05:18.20Shirikyou can die too!
05:18.27pompyThe Glory of the Icecrown Raider (10 player) meta achievement no  longer requires Neck-Deep in Vile to be completed.
05:18.27Parnicshould we say "repaired typographical error" instead? :P
05:18.46Shirikit sets of alarms on my computer because I look for that in another channel, I didn't think about it coming up elsewhere :P
05:18.58Parniclol
05:19.02Shadowedfixed a typo
05:19.09Shiriknot that
05:19.12Shirikjust "fixed typo"
05:19.16Shadowedoh
05:19.20ShefkiSomeone needs to fix the typo in Shirik's name.
05:21.28Parnicman, within minutes of posting that icehud update, i got a ticket on wowace, a comment on curse, and a comment on wowinterface about sundercount. sheesh
05:28.02Parniccheck this out shefki: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7154/wowscrnshot032410215247.jpg i enabled every single module and wasn't able to reproduce the problem
05:28.27Parnicthat ui is atrocious
05:29.11steevthat is *awesome*
05:29.25steevi like the 16/16 big green square
05:29.34Parniclol
05:29.50Parnici had no idea that mods even existed to hold your hand through a spell rotation
05:30.09steevits umm
05:30.13steevwhat is that called
05:30.36steevi can't remember its name now :(
05:30.42steevit is on curse though
05:37.18ShefkiParnic: What's the problem? I'm supposed to be looking for?
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05:38.54ShefkiOhh I see it now.
05:39.01ShefkiThe long bar off the left.
05:39.06quiescensflees.
05:40.12ShefkiWithout knowing their config it's hard to guess what module is causing that.
05:42.15Repo10querier: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.82-33-g75f10c4 ItemIDs/Inscription.lua: [+1 commit] damn copy and paste fail
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05:57.50Repo10direction-arrow: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.0.9-beta * r29 : Tagging as v0.0.9-beta
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06:30.33Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r473 modules/PlayerHealth.lua:
06:30.35Repo- fixed a bug with the incoming heal bar being disabled and causing an oversized green bar to appear
06:40.57Repo10arl: 03Torhal 07master * df2e451 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+21 commits] (17 truncated)
06:40.59Repodf2e451: Merge branch 'master' of git.wowace.com:wow/arl/mainline
06:41.00Repo3178a3d: In MainPanel.scroll_frame:Update(): Re-wrote anchoring code for the state_buttons to take the button_containers into account. Scrolling now works properly with expanded subheaders.
06:41.01Repo9a47ee7: Added MainPanel.scroll_frame.button_containers - the state_buttons are anchored to these so they can be moved around easily.
06:41.02Repocff0a0b: In MainPanel.scroll_frame:ExpandEntry(): Re-wrote to use InsertEntry() and modified the use of ExpandAcquireData().
06:41.35Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic 041.5.18 * r474 :
06:41.36Repo- fixed giant green bar that would appear for players who had "show incoming heals" disabled
06:41.37Repo- fixed sunder count module generating an error and not functioning
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07:05.01Silowyimy scourge strike tooltip says it's doing 91% of weapon damage +946
07:05.27Silowyibut I can't figure out what it's taking into account to modify the tooltip like that
07:06.15Repo10guildchatflash (experimental): 03DaveErig * r4 Core.lua: Tiny improvements.
07:08.53Repo10guildchatflash (experimental): 03DaveErig * r5 GuildChatFlash.toc: Update for 3.3.3.
07:09.59RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_friendschannel/. Broker_FriendsChannel. Rockj (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal.
07:16.31Repo10gridtargets: 03Julith * r8 / (2 files in 1 directory): GridTargets:
07:16.32Repo- code clean up
07:16.34Repo- added option to ignore tanks(oRA) for mob target and mob health status
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07:20.40Repo10grid-status-control-pipes: 03Julith * r53 / (4 files in 1 directory): GridStatusControlPipes:
07:20.42Repo- moved pipe status configuration to own sub tree
07:20.43Repo- fixed spelling of Rogue...
07:22.41Repo10gridtargets: 03Julith 04v0.3 * r9 : Tagging as v0.3
07:22.54theoddone33finally killed lk after 3 weeks of wiping to attendance
07:23.08theoddone33months behind
07:23.08Repo10grid-status-control-pipes: 03Julith 04v1.1 * r54 : Tagging as v1.1
07:23.10theoddone33oh well
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07:28.58SunTsutheoddone33: don't worry, I didn't even see the third boss in ICC by now.. ;)
07:33.01theoddone33I'm so tired of ICC by now, lol
07:45.54AdirelleMikk, I've got a small patch for Baggins to display quest item overlays
07:46.00SunTsuI would like to go to ICC again, but guild's dead, and no pug gives a hearty welcome to a tank who didn't even kill Deathwisper ;)
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07:46.02Adirellewould you mind I commit it ?
07:47.02quiescenssuntsu: clearly you need to get your raid achievements so that you can raid and get your achievements
07:47.22SunTsuquiescens: seems like it, yeah ;)
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07:58.41Repo10xperl: 03PlayerLin * r359 XPerl_Init.lua: Fix health/mana bar display bug on Patch 3.3.3
07:58.51nev[work]Morning
08:00.33orionshockok.. afraid to ask this crowd, but nnl.  Considering that we write addons for WoW, would the skill of being able to write scrips in Lua at this level be worth putting on a resume? and if so how would you?
08:00.53orionshock<PROTECTED>
08:01.30hasteif you use outside of WoW and know how you could just list it as that
08:01.54hastethen again, the jump from WoW's sandbox to the "real" world isn't that much
08:02.21nev[work]I basically just said that i have experience from working in a development community, project management, user support, and of course all the tools we use
08:02.22Shefkiorionshock: I have Lua on my resume.
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08:02.32ShefkiIn fact I have my addon stuff on my resume.
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08:02.56nev[work]I didn t mention any specifics to wow
08:03.12ShefkiAnyoone that wants to judge me based on wow isn't someone I'd want to work for anyway.
08:03.23hasteif they ask you answer, if not then fine imo
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08:03.54hasteand what Shefki says is true
08:03.54orionshockShefki, how did u put it on your resume?
08:04.01ShefkiAnd in my experience, half the time the tech people also play WoW.
08:04.07hasteas yoy would anything else?
08:04.26orionshock< young dumb noob & sheltered life :|
08:05.04hasteif that's the case, remember to add key qualifications to your CV
08:05.14hasteas a short application in the "top"
08:05.17Shefki"World of Warcraft Addon Developer: 2007 - Current
08:05.25Shefkiblah blah blah
08:05.46nev[work]They were more interested in my other stuff then that anyway
08:06.07nev[work]That actually never came up in the last interview
08:06.13hasteI would do what nev[work] did however
08:06.32hasteor rather, I do :P
08:07.21SunTsuyou always could end up applying to a guild mate without knowing beforehand ;)
08:07.30orionshockhehe, Shefki im not that brave.. im going from my first job out of highschool to a hopeful 2nd job, w/o any collage under me
08:08.14hasteorionshock: honestly, if you're afraid that people will judge you, then don't mention it
08:08.24nev[work]in my last guild i knew were most people lived, so that was unlikely :d
08:08.34hasteit's nothing you should be ashamed of however, experience is experience regardless of where it was earned
08:10.10orionshockhaste, good point. however like many thing's it's all about how you say it, not nessisarily what it's about. IE: i've spoken with management @ my current job about being a guild leader and how there is a range of similarities between being a manager and a guild master.
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08:11.34SunTsuorionshock: you only need to make clear that you worked in a developer community, know about project management in a world wide developing environment and stuff
08:12.47hastebut you'll have to be ready to answer where if they ask :)
08:12.49SunTsuas Shefki put it, if they judge you for that chances are good that you wouldn't fit in that company anyway
08:13.00haste<PROTECTED>
08:14.47orionshockwell i was prompted to put down experience with programing languages.. while really the only one i've worked with is Lua, however nev[work] you make a good point about wowace as a dev community.
08:15.23hastes/wowace/aceforge/
08:15.25haste:-----D
08:15.35orionshockaceforge  ... ^.^
08:15.36nev[work]At least mention the tools, xml, svn, etc
08:15.43hasteMy ideas, I'm pushing them into your world!
08:16.06nev[work]Are you applying for a programming job?
08:17.58orionshocknev[work], not exactly...  the group is a new customer service department where previously the guys doing the job where real programmers & sql grunts  that where btched into doing menial stuff like pw resets ect.
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08:19.33hastewow... that sounds.. odd
08:21.24orionshockwell they are the guys handing most of the operation, they also are customer facing.. as you see this is a problem. An Account manager should't be doing PW resets for the masses. They should be handing the "Oh Shit the SQL server broke again" situations.
08:21.26SunTsuorionshock: and what are you going to do there if you apply successfully?
08:21.55orionshockSunTsu, i'll be taking over the menial crap while they handle the more complicated stuff.
08:22.48orionshocksorry im leaving out some details here ofc.
08:22.59GrumShefki: yeah i noticed that you could fix it by requesting the texture right after creation and setting the 2 new properties on it to false ... not so ideal but meh it works
08:27.03pompystupid spammers, http://i41.tinypic.com/t7opk3.jpg
08:27.14SunTsuorionshock: Then maybe I wouldn't put the details in. Just that you know Lua, if they are interested in your experience they'll probably ask you about it in an interview
08:31.54orionshockSunTsu, true
08:32.26orionshockanother question: how to include it with out indicating it's related to the Job listed...
08:33.25SunTsuorionshock: depends on how you build your cv - I normally include a "knowledge" section
08:37.13hastedon't make a general CV to send out
08:37.24hastealways write your CV towards the job your applying for
08:37.35hasteyou can have a general base ofc, but that's it
08:40.31orionshockwhat is CV supposed to stand for?
08:40.40olafskicurriculum vitae
08:41.46orionshockah, European name for a resume
08:42.25olafskilatin yeah :P
08:42.47olafskiI would assume people in the US also understand it
08:42.49olafskihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum_vitae
08:43.26Kalrothmost Americans do :p
08:44.19quiescensmoo
08:44.49KalrothAh, it's different in the states: their resumes are CV length and their CVs are so long that noone reads them
08:44.50orionshocki got the context but never have seen it before
08:45.03olafskiyeah just saw that in wikipedia
08:45.11olafskiUK CVs are also apparently what I've written
08:45.17olafskiI better revise mine before I go job hunting then
08:46.54SunTsuI normally split my CV into a short resume, which shows the jobs I did and a longer CV which goes into job details, shows what I did in detail, my responsabilities, projects and such
08:46.55Repo10arl: 03Torhal 07master * 239e255 Frame.lua: [+5 commits] (1 truncated)
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08:46.58Repo670b805: In MainPanel.scroll_frame.Update(): Changed the while loop to actually check the values rather than relying on "stayInLoop".
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08:47.00Repoc916804: In addon:DisplayTextDump(): Set the cursor to the top of the frame instead of the bottom.
08:47.21SunTsusometimes I also add a skill overview where I list my knowledge
08:47.59olafskihm I'm a student so I don't have a lot of jobs to list
08:48.06olafskijust one, and an internship
08:48.15olafskiI listed both and in about 4 lines for both I summarized what I did there
08:49.08KriLL3is there a way to use an item instead of sell it with a vendor window open?
08:49.23SunTsuolafski: yeah, with me it's a little bit different, did some years of freelancing, am in the 9th year of being an employer at the third company, so I habe a lot of things to list
08:49.31KriLL3annoying buying 10  [Commendation of Service] close the vendor window, use em, then talk with the vendor again
08:50.00SunTsuKriLL3: Tried /use [item]?
08:50.23KriLL3"Unknown Macro option: Commendation of service"
08:50.38quiescensyou don't type the []s
08:50.56KriLL3they were included when I shift clicked it
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08:51.15KriLL3ah. work, thx
08:51.17quiescensalternatively just drag the commendation item thingy straight onto your actionbar thingy
08:51.24olafskisuntsu: hopefully I will start building up some real experience soon ;)
08:51.26KriLL3though there might have been some modifier click that worked
08:51.39quiescensyou can probably afford to replace your "1" button temporarily
08:51.52quiescensand just buy them, and press 1 on your keyboard repeatedly
08:52.20KriLL3they have a 2s cooldown... I'll be at this for a while
08:52.32quiescenshave fun
08:52.51KriLL3they should have made ones for more marks
08:52.53SunTsuthen putting them onto the action bar would surely viable
08:52.55KriLL310/50
08:53.03KriLL3yeah I put it on the var
08:53.05KriLL3*Bar
08:53.10SunTsu+be
08:53.40quiescens50 wouldn't be particularly worthwhile
08:53.44KriLL3what's the honor cap btw?
08:53.58KriLL3quiescens: well anything higher than 1
08:54.11quiescensthe old marks were unique 100 anyway I think
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08:54.18KriLL3yeah, but they stack up in the mail
08:54.22KriLL3and I got a ton in the mail
08:54.27SunTsuKriLL3: 75k AFAIK
08:54.30quiescensdon't they only last one day in the mail
08:54.32quiescenso.o
08:54.37KriLL3quiescens: nope
08:54.48quiescensiuno
08:54.56quiescensit was 24 hours last tiem I saw that stuff
08:58.48KriLL331 days
08:59.11olafskican't you have your logitech keyboard hax this for you?
08:59.23KriLL3don't have a logitech keyboard
08:59.41quiescensdrinking bird
09:00.47MikkAdirelle: just check it in
09:02.19olafskiwhatever hacker keyboard you have then
09:02.28quiescenshire a monkey
09:03.14Repo10smooth-quest: 03Ammo * r88 SmoothQuest.lua: proper fix
09:03.33olafskithat'd probably be more legal
09:03.43KriLL3are there any pvp rings between the 226 furious and 264 wrathful? they're unique, can't use 2 of em
09:04.05KriLL3olafski: it's a n52te, and it's not really a keyboard per-say
09:05.19olafskicare what you call it.. it's cheating =)
09:05.23Repo10smooth-quest: 03Ammo * r89 SmoothQuest.lua:
09:05.25Reponolonger desaturate textures since blizzard UI does it by default
09:05.54KriLL3I guess using a super high end gaming mouse is cheating in an FPS as well, or a triple monitor setup that gives you a wider FOV
09:06.15olafskithere we have this reasoning again
09:06.17hastetriple monitor would suck
09:06.18KriLL3we should all use the exact same hardware and software, anything else is cheating!
09:06.31KriLL3haste: what makes you think that?
09:06.51olafskiagainst the TOU = cheating.. I'm pretty sure automating your maul/swipe is against the TOU, multiple monitors or high end mice aren't
09:06.53hasteI don't remeber what the lines you get between the monitors are called
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09:06.55hastebut they suck
09:06.59olafskiborders?
09:07.02olafskibezels?
09:07.18hastethey have some fancy name for the borders :P
09:07.23KriLL3olafski: maul + swipe is just an image macro, not against TOU
09:07.36quiescenslies
09:07.43KriLL3*ingame
09:07.49olafskiyou know what I mean krill3 .. the macro itself isn't against the TOU, having your [whatever you call it] automate it for you is
09:08.00olafski"qq but my fingers will hurtz"
09:08.03quiescensdrinking bird
09:08.09KriLL3it's not automated, I need to press that button every time, and it only sends a keyboard button
09:08.15olafskithat's probably against the rules too quiescens ;)
09:08.21KriLL3/cast Swipe (bear) /cast !Maul
09:08.23KriLL3that's the macro
09:08.29olafskiI know what a macro looks like
09:08.35SunTsuhaving one key press result in more than one key press in game is agains TOU
09:08.39SunTsuagainst even
09:08.45olafskilast time you talked about this you said you could keep the button pressed down and it would keep sending it
09:08.46KriLL3which I'm not doing
09:08.55SunTsuthem it sounds fine to me
09:09.10KriLL3yeah, same as most other keyboards, holding a key repeats it
09:09.15KriLL3and it's the same key
09:09.21olafskiheh. that's not the same as most other keyboards in wow
09:09.28SunTsuolafski: you normally can do that with any keyboard/OS, it's simple key repeating
09:09.33quiescensclearly the drinking bird only causes one in game event per button press
09:09.41olafskisure suntsu but I'm pretty sure blizzard doesn't allow that for a reason
09:09.51olafskior doesn't make it behave like that, rather
09:10.10SunTsuolafski: so you need to switch of a normal keyboard event to play wow "legally"?
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09:10.31olafskisuntsu: wanna bet he had to set up something special to have it behave like this? "normal keyboards" don't act like this so there's nothing to switch off
09:11.17KriLL3I do admit that it's a slippery slope, in theory I could make a macro with this device that in order performs more than one task when pressed, if I were a dps class with a predictable rotation I could make a button perform that rotation over and over until pressed again
09:11.25KriLL3I haven't tried and I don't plan on trying
09:11.42quiescenscarefully calibrated drinking bird sequence?
09:12.02olafskithere are fps games where you have to keep clicking the mouse button to shoot non-automatic pistols.. surely you could automatea that and say it's normal keyboard behaviour
09:12.15olafskiautomate*
09:12.31KriLL3olafski: well there is still a top speed
09:12.48KriLL3can't make a macro that shoots a pistol 100 times in a second
09:13.17olafskiyou can't make a macro that does maul 100 times in a second either
09:13.20olafskibut it's still against the TOU
09:13.43olafskidespises cheaters
09:14.03KriLL3I guess my multiple monitors are cheating as well, I can have wowhead on one of them at the same time
09:14.19olafskiyou already brought up that lame reasoning
09:14.51KriLL3just saying that expecting everyone to be on even footing isn't reasonable on a PC, if you want that get a console
09:15.19SunTsuKriLL3: if your keyboard is not working like any other keyboard is, it probably is against TOU
09:15.22olafskisigh
09:15.37olafskiinstall an aimbot and say "but you could install it too, so it's not cheating!" amirite?
09:15.43KriLL3SunTsu: plenty of keyboards like that, doubt blizz can dictate which keyboard you're allowed to use
09:15.57olafskithey can dictate whether you're allowed to use the mechanic
09:16.11olafskiactually I think they can dictate whatever they want since it's their game and you're agreeing to a TOU when you log in
09:16.19SunTsuKriLL3: so using any given keyboard, without anything special, would behave like this?
09:16.34KriLL3so I guess making a robot that presses keyboard keys in order would be highly illegal as well? =P
09:16.51nev[work]A robot is fine
09:16.54KriLL3SunTsu: yes though the difference would be spamming one button and holding it down
09:16.58olafskilook mommy I can argue semantics!
09:17.10olafskinev I removed win7 again :(
09:17.18nev[work]Your loss
09:17.19quiescensi'm pretty sure terms of use agreements these days essentially allow the company to do anything for any reason, if any reason at all
09:17.37olafskiquiescens: probably.. and this isn't even unreasonable
09:19.54olafskiand wow, that n52te looks like it's made for people with some kind of disability :P
09:22.32SunTsuKriLL3: there you go, you would need to press that key more than once, therefore it's against TOU
09:23.26olafskisuntsu: Bezel: The front surround of a TV or VDU screen (that, particularly in CRT screens, masks the non-viewable parts).
09:25.58KriLL3in multi monitor gaming you can choose if the bezel should essentially act like a frame and hide the content that would be behind it or chop up the image to ensure nothing is lost, though that messes with perspective a bit
09:27.03olafskireally? wow
09:27.14olafski(both options suck)
09:27.21orionshocknev[work], does the error [[ AceConfigDialog-3.0-45:256: Method table: 15507AE0 doesn't exist in handler for type values ]] mean anything?
09:27.35KriLL3I guess you'd perfer multi monitor gaming with 0 bezel?
09:27.45olafskiI prefer having everything on one screen, yes
09:28.58nev[work]Orion: probably means something :)
09:29.13olafskioh well, since you're obviously intent on continuing your cheating I'll just solve it the usual way ;)
09:29.16nev[work]Hate this phone keyboard
09:29.30olafskiare you at work in a place where they don't have PCs? :]
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09:30.14nev[work]The pcs just have an incredibly locked down network
09:31.00olafskithey don't want you to irc so you're circumventing it? bad nev!
09:31.19olafskiamsg is bad mkay
09:36.50SunTsunev[work]: Are you allowed to install vmplayer? :>
09:38.03SunTsusome companies allow to install vmplayer via sms or netinstall
09:38.52nev[work]How does that help me?
09:40.07SunTsunev[work]: I assume you are allowed to use https, right? Just put a ssl vpn client into an vmware, tunneling over https to any server you own outside
09:41.10nev[work]If it would be that easy, i would use a putt ssh tunnel already
09:41.19nev[work]Putty*
09:42.10SunTsuso, no https allowed?
09:42.18nev[work]They have this firewall that injects itself in the ssl traffic and only allows pure http queries
09:42.26arkaneswow really?
09:42.49SunTsuso they m-i-t-m your ssl and therefore compromizing security?
09:42.52arkanesI was just thinking that it's surprising that the more ridiculous sysadmins don't do that
09:42.53orionshocknev[work], how the f' would they manage that?
09:43.10orionshock^^ what SunTsu said
09:43.11nev[work]Suntsu: yeah, basically
09:43.11arkanescontrary to popular belief, SSL doesn't not actually prevent MITM
09:43.21arkaneshmm
09:43.24arkanes"does not"
09:43.30arkanesit just allows you to detect it
09:43.41nev[work]Of course its obvious when you are mitm'ed
09:43.51nev[work]Every cert is invalid
09:44.18arkanesand from a security standpoint, especially the standpoint where you're a bitchy control freak sysadmin, there's probably not actually any risk from using a proxy like this
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09:44.34arkanesassuming the proxy does cert validation and such
09:44.34SunTsuarkanes: yeah, sure, and therefore you can prevent it yourself
09:46.13nev[work]Yeah the firewall comes up with an error page on pages with an invalid cert
09:46.30nev[work]That finally got me to fixing the cert on my webmail
09:46.34nev[work]:)
09:46.53Kalrothso you're IRCing from an open http connection atm?!
09:47.09olafski<PROTECTED>
09:47.11nev[work]No, 3G on phone
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09:47.15Kalrothoh damnit
09:47.38KalrothI was about to list the top 20 words that FBI would break in doors for
09:48.36nev[work]I could use freenode ssl.. whats the ssl port again?
09:48.54SunTsu443
09:49.07Kalroth7000 and 7070
09:49.08nev[work]For freenode!
09:49.24Kalrothhttp://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sslaccess
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09:50.50Kalrothhi nev!
09:50.56nev[work]Now even encrypted :d
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09:51.14Kalrothfinally we can discuss dirty Lua secrets
09:51.15Repo10duelog: 03stolenlegacy * r9 DueLog.lua:
09:51.17RepoText adjustment for better readability in the incoming transmission popup.
09:51.46winkKalroth: I'll rip the secrets from your flesh!
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09:59.37FiskerKalroth
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10:00.51quiescensdies.
10:01.11Fiskerno quiescens
10:01.13orionshocknev[work], i figured out what that error meant... as usual another pebkac
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10:13.07Fiskerhello thar nev[work]
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10:16.07Repo7abab6d: update wrath with raid & icc quests
10:16.12Repo4e75ffc: add new quests (old quests from when they added the raid stuff)  to name scanner
10:16.14Repo82b398f: remove battleground quests, as they removed them in 3.3.3
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10:16.39Fiskerwhat an unfortunate turn of events
10:16.59KriLL3can't even make healers notice me post resilience boots + new pvp items with even more resilience, the only thing I can hope to do is slightly inconvenience them with some CC
10:17.07KriLL3*boost
10:17.25KriLL3and since mana doesn't matter anymore you can't even wear em down
10:18.22KriLL3unstoppable force vs immovable object
10:19.02orionshockimmovable object wins :)
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10:42.28KriLL3self healing DM after healing the same as your total health within say 10s kthx?
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10:49.22RepoSupport lots of people typing at the same time plus raid and guild chat.
10:51.21KriLL3*DR
10:51.51KriLL3anyone seen an addon that colors the borders of items depending on their iLVL? want a quick way to determine the quality of gear on me and in my bags etc
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10:58.22TorhalKriLL3: That's quite a few shades...
10:58.38KriLL3well some kind of gamut would work
10:59.30KriLL3GS (ohnoes!) uses a couple of gamuts, gray, green-blue then yellow turning orange at at 6000~ red
10:59.41KriLL3*and
11:03.54TorhalThat's for a range of scores - I suppose a range of iLevels would work as well.
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13:37.08winksince the patch yesterday, actually
13:37.19winkthe Armory texture has a segmented gradient
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14:07.03nevcairielwink: update to the quartz beta
14:07.17winkaye, will do
14:07.23nevcairielor rather, alpha
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14:19.44winknay, won't do :P
14:20.04winkwell, it's not really bad.
14:20.10winka little disturbing at most
14:20.37nevcairielthe segmented gradient was caused by a bug that caused the textures to tile instead of zoom to the correct size
14:20.43nevcairieland that was fixed in the quartz alpha
14:21.15nevcairielwell, worked-around rather
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14:34.39Repo10arl: 03Torhal 07master * 21a3c69 Frame.lua: [+8 commits] (4 truncated)
14:34.40Repo21a3c69: In ListItem_OnEnter(): For expanded entry/subentry lines, use the entry's parent's children list for removals.
14:34.41Repo60b95d3: In ListItem_OnEnter(): Subheaders can be removed, but headers are forever.
14:34.42Repoec6c641: In ExpandEntry(): Updated calls to InsertEntry() and added support for acquire-type sub-entries to the Location sort.
14:34.43Repo012b402: Updated InsertEntry() calls in ExpandAcquireData() to assign parent entries.
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16:04.57koaschtenanyone here ever converted/migrated a local outlook mailbox into a gmail account? (no google apps, else i would just use google email uploader)
16:05.23Ackisyou can do that?
16:06.04koaschtenno idea, but the worst thing i can imagine is to connect my gmail acc via imap and drag and drop the mails in there
16:06.11koaschtenwhich i would like to not do
16:06.35industrialcant uou export/import like normal?
16:06.57koaschtendefine normal?
16:07.13koaschteni have a years old mailbox on a local machine that aggregated 3 pop mail accounts.
16:07.26koaschteni want to add those pop mails to gmail to aggregate them in one account
16:07.32industrialexport/archive the mail, import in gmail
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16:08.04koaschtencan you import a pst file in gmail? ^^
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16:08.28Ackisthe link I just looked at said "import it to outlook express, then install firebird, then...." and I was like O_O
16:08.36koaschtenexactly...
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16:09.29koaschtenthe "issue" i have is, google offers a way to import it with the email upload thingy, but it only works with the payed google apps mail accounts not the normal gmail ones
16:09.55koaschtenand honestly, i dont feel like drag/dropping 5 years of mails from the pop pst to the imap'ed gmail account
16:10.20Ackiskoaschten: can't you just drag folders?
16:10.55koaschtenwhat happens to the folders? does gmail convert them to labels? or what happens to them?
16:11.33koaschtenhmm i guess i will just try that.
16:11.40Ackislet me know how it works
16:11.52AckisI have e-mail dating back to... 1995 I think in my .pst's
16:12.18koaschteni resort to this then i guess: http://www.cjvandyk.com/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=157
16:12.28Ackisright now's a good time to convert since I just got a new system
16:12.45Kaeltenhttp://www.curse.com/articles/blizzard-entertainment-en-news/704590.aspx
16:13.12koaschtenmy email is currently running in a vmware image of my broken laptop, i got massive gain from doing the conversion compared to picking it out of the image and locally installing it to the new laptop
16:13.29koaschtenand running in that issue again with the next laptop
16:13.30koaschten;)
16:13.41industrialAckis: now you can enjoy targeted ads too!
16:14.15Ackiswot?
16:15.01koaschtenhmm interesting it creates folders in my outlook 2003 like the labels i have in my gmail.. so i guess it does folders -> labels.... i wonder what it does to my 3 steps deep folder trees *cough*
16:15.09koaschteni probably gonna mess up my account ^^
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16:16.13nevcairieloct eh
16:16.21nevcairielthats after my vacation lock
16:16.24nevcairieli could even attend
16:17.02koaschteno.O 23yo old girl found dead after she took away 19yo brothers laptop because his grades got worse from playing wow. stabbed twice in the neck
16:17.22Kaeltenkoaschten: blame the playa not the the game
16:17.50koaschtenyeah but the news headlining "harmless computer games?"
16:17.57nevcairielany news on when tickets go on sale Kaelten?
16:18.07Kaeltennevcairiel: not yet
16:18.42Kaeltenkoaschten: ya it's tragic, and the guy is obviously messed up in the head, but it's not the games fault, hell it may not even have been the reason why it happened
16:19.18Kaeltensensationalism in media means that if they can villify a game (or anything really) over something tragic it means good ratings
16:19.29nevcairieleven if it is, some other silly reason would've caused it sooner or later
16:19.48Kaeltenyears ago D&D got blamed for a few deaths, got _tons_ of media coverage
16:19.53Kaeltenin the end one of the guys wasn't even dead
16:19.55koaschtenthey claim it happened because she took away his laptop so he couldnt play ... left ear in, right ear out... i ignore those news mostly... till someone asks me "dont you play that game too?" ...
16:19.57Kaeltenhe just went missing for a few days
16:20.23nevcairielkoaschten: then you say "yeah, better dont touch my laptop"
16:20.54AckisRepoNew announcement: http://www.curseforge.com/announcements/blizzard-announces-blizzcon-2010/
16:20.59koaschtenthere was a big discussion about counter-strike a few years back, you remember that nevcairiel? i got a "killerspiel spieler" t-shirt back then and wore it in school, teachers weren't amused *cough*
16:21.07nevcairielheh
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16:21.27nevcairieli had one of those too, even though i dont play counter-strike
16:21.31nevcairielbut mine broke
16:21.35koaschtenbut we had a really good discussion about the topic in sociology class the week after that.
16:22.02koaschtenhttp://www.3dsupply.de/shop/detail.php?PID=00000118
16:22.03koaschten;)
16:22.05koaschtenget a new one
16:22.15Kaeltenya, so either guy was unstable, someone else killed her, or he did kill her but for some other reason, but that's the best headline they can come up with.
16:22.16Gnarfoz"some years back"... it's always going on
16:22.36Kaeltenregardless tragic, but I'll pass on the bullshit sensationalism
16:22.38Gnarfozhttp://www.3dsupply.de/shop/detail.php?PID=00001175 is better
16:22.45nevcairielKaelten: you dont kill your sister unless you are unstable
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16:22.58Kaeltennevcairiel: you generally don't kill at all unless you're unstable
16:23.02ShadowedYou typically don't k---efb
16:23.04Kaeltenor self defense
16:23.10koaschtenhmm i like the yoda one, now that i browse that page :D "up the shut fuck you must!"
16:23.21Kaeltenkoaschten: nice
16:23.35GnarfozI know at least 3 people who own that one
16:23.43nevcairieli should get some new tshirts
16:23.47Gnarfoz(and wear it to the same events, heh)
16:23.52nevcairielbut then again, i dont think i can wear them to work..mm
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16:24.07Gnarfozif only they weren't all black :p
16:24.14winkeverybody stand back!
16:24.15nevcairieli already have a ton of shorts to wear for events
16:24.20nevcairielshirts*
16:24.20Gnarfoz(... "white text on a black t-shirt")
16:24.28nevcairielGnarfoz:  thats awesome :D
16:24.31winkyeah. please don't attend events pantsles, nevcairiel
16:24.32Gnarfozit exists
16:24.38koaschtenyou can get a white one saying "Sex with your mom - *thumbsup pic* 143 people like this."
16:24.39Gnarfozhttp://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-WHITETEXT&Category_Code=QC
16:24.55Gnarfozkoaschten: yeah, but then again, who uses Failbook here and would get the reference ;o
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16:25.11nevcairielGnarfoz: i know, i read QC :P
16:25.12koaschteni dont have a facebook account for 1 very good reason
16:25.23koaschteni dont trust them as far as i can reach with my arm
16:25.36Gnarfozit's bad enough I have meinVZ and Xing :F
16:25.43nevcairieli only have xing
16:25.44Gnarfozwhatever madness drove me
16:27.20koaschtenfor some reason i am glad my pst is only 500 some MiB
16:28.15koaschtenackis and yes if you have your emails in a imap capable account you can just drag and drop the stuff into your gmail account via imap
16:28.23koaschteni hate my 512kb/sec uplink :(
16:28.40koaschten-account +client
16:29.29Gnarfozhighly asymmetrical DSL? check.
16:29.35Gnarfozblarghs
16:29.40koaschten6k/512 aye
16:29.55koaschteni'd kill for kabel deutschland pilot :/
16:30.01koaschten100/10....
16:30.03Gnarfozwhy? their upload sucks, too
16:30.10Gnarfozoh, that was KabelBW
16:30.14Gnarfoz100/2.5
16:30.32Gnarfoz(...which isn't even enough for the ACK packets 100mbit/s download would need)
16:30.46koaschtenyeah its roughly 8/1 isnt it?
16:30.59GnarfozVDSL still has the best ratio at the moment, 5:1 down/up
16:31.10Gnarfoztoo bad it costs an arm and a leg
16:31.26Gnarfozlet's all move to Google, Kansas
16:31.29koaschtenkabeldeutschland is really good, 32/2 for 23€
16:31.30Gnarfozand get 1gbit/s FTTH
16:31.33durcynI haven't seen a VDSL package around here capped higher than 15/2 :(
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16:31.56Gnarfozdurcyn: this vdsl be a product name, not the tech itself
16:32.23durcynGnarfoz: well, fine, go back to germany then.
16:32.36Gnarfozmeaning, I was referring to a specific vdsl2 based offer by our lovely Telekom overlords
16:32.45Gnarfozdurcyn: I'm already here =(
16:32.51koaschtenvdsl currently is 50/10 for 50€ here
16:32.56durcynit's heartening to know that we're not the only place with fucked up telcos though :)
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16:33.40GnarfozI wonder what the chances are of ending up somewhere in skandinavia, with 100/100 internet (or more!)
16:33.43Gnarfoz~8ball
16:33.44purlACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Without a doubt
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16:33.51Gnarfozhah, if only
16:33.55durcynmove to korea
16:34.00Gnarfozor that, yes
16:34.07koaschtendurcyn with my shitty local telco provider i pay ~30€ for 6k/0.5k adsl and NO inclusive minutes on landline :(
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16:34.21Gnarfozor any of the towns google picks for their gbit project
16:34.49koaschtenackis if you dont have too many mails, that seems to work pretty well.
16:35.25Ackiscombined size of the PST's I think is... 350 megs
16:35.44koaschtenyeah, then just get all your mails into a imap capable client and drag and drop em folderwise
16:36.10Ackisthe question is, do I want to use gmail because then my mail is subject to the american patriot act :P
16:36.20koaschteni have some folder trees, those get made into labels like newsletter/heise , newsletter/Apple and similar
16:36.43durcynAckis: because unencrypted content transmitted via smtp is a fucking secret to start with
16:36.47koaschteni gotta admit, i am currently working under the asumption "i am not evil"
16:36.58koaschtenand not expecting google to act under their "dont be evil"
16:37.24Ackisdurcyn: because they'd have the content tracked and logged that I sent 15 years ago?
16:37.32koaschteni just want it to work again without me having to fire up a frickin' virtual machine to access mails ;)
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16:41.45Megalonhttp://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/5074429.6_000_trees_felled_on_outskirts_of_Darwen/
16:41.52Megalonlol
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16:42.44koaschtenAckis http://i43.tinypic.com/154acea.png
16:43.18Ackisthat's just dragging the folder over?
16:43.50Ackiswishes he was a serious jerk.
16:44.06koaschtenyeah ackis
16:44.47koaschtenimap works both directions, so your local imap will be synced towards the "google cloud" and all your mails will appear in your gmail inbox with labels.
16:44.59koaschtenand it even preservers receive/sent date/time
16:45.52koaschteni wonder if it automagically learns labels once i set gmail to gather the mails from the pop mail that the local account was, THAT would be awesome.
16:49.39nevcairielmm it just occured to me .. blizzcon in october means they either release cataclysm later then we expect, or it'll be released shortly after and they cant really give us much new informations on blizzcon
16:49.49nevcairielboth kinda suck :D
16:50.00ShadowedWho goes to Blizzcon to hear about Blizzard stuff? :P
16:50.14koaschtenthey gonna release sc2 over summer and cataclysm for the holiday season, didnt we agree on that already?
16:50.27nevcairielpretty much
16:50.35koaschtenwhich means, closed/open beta sometime august/sept
16:50.45nevcairielearlier i bet
16:50.45sb|workGnarfoz: 2.5up is enough for 100m down
16:50.47nevcairieljuly or so
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16:51.09nevcairielbut that means, everything is already known on blizzcon
16:51.10Gnarfozsb|work: someone in here had some math that said it wasn't
16:51.16sb|workwell it works for me... :p
16:51.19nevcairielso it would just be d3 news, eh
16:51.55sb|workkoaschten: haha @ 10 degrees, its like 17+ here :p
16:52.11koaschtenwell it dropped at least 5° the last 2 hours
16:52.13nevcairielmy phone thing says 20
16:52.14Megalonbarbarians now can also be females
16:52.22Megalonyou heard it here first!
16:52.24nevcairielkeep your cold air up there koaschten!
16:52.36koaschtenyou know, cold air drops down nevcairiel
16:52.39koaschtengrins evilly.
16:52.39sb|workwhat are you doing koaschten, moving your life to gmail?
16:52.45koaschtenyeah sb|work
16:52.58koaschteni am sick of my local pop3 mail shit
16:53.19koaschtenand a broken laptop was a good time to do that NOW ;)
16:53.23koaschtenno excuses.
16:53.47nevcairieli did that too a while ago
16:53.55nevcairielnow i dont even intsall a mail client anymore
16:53.56sb|worksame here, ~2-3 weeks :p
16:53.57koaschteni didnt expect it to be that easy though
16:54.06nevcairielweb interface and gmail app on phone :d
16:54.09koaschtenjust imap into outlook -> drag and drop
16:54.13nevcairielyeah
16:54.23sb|workyep nevcairiel, i still woder why i even open my thunderbird - webmail + iphone is fine
16:54.43koaschteni did that step with rss feeds a year ago
16:54.51sb|workgoogle reader?
16:54.54koaschtenyeah
16:55.01sb|workand btw, "BetterGmail" is great (firefox extension)
16:55.02nevcairieli still need to setup my rss feeds again
16:55.14nevcairieli kinda lost them
16:56.06sb|workthat extension shows you imap-folders as folders in your browser (nice js menu) - no more "newsletter/konsum/amazon" etc. :)
16:56.33koaschtenyeah, i wonder why they simply cant rss feed newsletter -.-
16:56.35koaschtensxx
16:56.37koaschtensuxx
16:56.39koaschtenuseless spam
16:57.41nevcairielmost of my folders are archives anyway
16:57.52nevcairieli have like 10 visible
16:57.57nevcairielall others are hidden
16:59.02koaschteni wonder what i am going to do with the irc client ... i am sick of that too, any clever solutions for that?
16:59.25nevcairielhow would you replace a irc client? :d
16:59.39sb|workkoaschten: putty+screen+irssi
16:59.58nevcairielif he is sick of his client, thats not going to help, because thats mighty annoying :P
17:00.03Gnarfozindeed
17:00.09koaschtenno idea, but i feel lately that mIRC + nnscript became overkill
17:00.26nevcairieli use quassel these days, mostly just because of the full backlog
17:00.34sb|worki use plain mirc + irssi proxy *shrug*
17:00.35GnarfozI don't like any of the clients I tried =\
17:00.45Gnarfozit has to be a native windows app :o
17:00.47nevcairielits basically what you get from putty/screen/irssi just in a usable client :p
17:00.48koaschtenwell mirc can do that too, but backlog is just hdd space waste after some time ;)
17:00.59Gnarfozno, it includes backlog from when your client wasn't on
17:01.04Gnarfozyour local client, that is
17:01.14koaschteni dont need a bouncer
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17:01.23Gnarfozbut it doesn't simply spam you like psybnc or something
17:01.24Gnarfozwell
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17:01.38GnarfozI'm taking a nap, then!
17:01.40nevcairieltelnet to the irc server, then!
17:02.48sb|workmhhhh central core sounds nice nevcairiel, i think i should test quassel
17:03.18olafskiyou actually use quassel?
17:03.24olafskiI tried it a while back but it didn't really seem usable
17:03.26nevcairielit still lacks most of the "convenience" features you find in other UI clients
17:03.34Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r475 IceBarElement.lua: - fixed the 'bar visible' checkbox to work again
17:03.35nevcairielbut for simple chatting its fine
17:03.38olafskiat least 6 months ago though so maybe they changed something
17:03.41olafskihowever I like irssi :P
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17:08.11koaschtenquassel/quassel-core sounds nice, but i lack a root shell to take advantage from it.
17:08.41Gnarfozit needs root? wtf
17:08.57koaschten... a shell I have root access to
17:09.04nevcairielno it doesnt need root
17:09.07koaschtento set it up... damn gnarfoz dont be so picky
17:09.12nevcairielyou can run it as any user
17:09.28nevcairielsadly just requires Qt, which most shells probably dont have
17:09.30koaschtenyeah, but i still would need access to a permanently only shell ;)
17:09.42koaschtencore doesnt need qt the faq says?
17:09.48nevcairielit does
17:09.53nevcairieljust not qt-gui, obviously
17:09.56pentium166what's even annoying about irssi
17:10.04nevcairielits a freaking CLI client
17:10.15pentium166no, it's a text-based client
17:10.22pentium166you don't run it on a command line any more than you do xchat
17:10.27nevcairieli have a mouse, and i know how to use it
17:10.27pentium166or whatever
17:10.38olafskiI don't really see a use for a mouse in an irc client
17:10.54Gnarfozpentium166: it's a cli client
17:11.04Gnarfozhow would I use my mouse through putty
17:11.59CrazyBenny_with xming ofcourse :P
17:12.28koaschtenhmm my laptop is complaining... Battery almost depleted (11%) 1h 17min left.
17:12.30koaschtencute
17:14.05GnarfozCrazyBenny_: get out, you
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17:16.27KaeltenSo I'm revamping ticket submission in the mac client
17:16.40Kaeltenany feedback from you guys about it
17:16.50Kaelten(i'll take criticisms from both clients)
17:17.08koaschtenfix ads trying to run scripts on local machines ! ;)
17:17.23ShadowedKaelten remove it? :P
17:17.29Kaeltenwe yelled at ad ops, and i've locked down webkit pretty significantly
17:17.38ShadowedI think every ticket I've gotten from the curse client is a single line of "It doesn't work" without an error report
17:17.55ShadowedMaybe some sort of giant text that says "POST AN ERROR FOR THE LOVE OF GOD"
17:18.03KaeltenShadowed: well I won't be able to get support in for removal just yet
17:18.19koaschtenKaelten i got told of in a mail i got that "ads can do and will do it" i was so angry i deleted it :/
17:18.25Kaeltenbut I am going to have like a little slide show that users must click through about "how to file a good ticket"
17:18.38Shadowedthat'd be nice
17:19.04KaeltenI think the bug support features are a nice thing
17:19.10Kaeltenbut we've got to figure out how to minimize the noise
17:19.17Kaeltenkoaschten: say again
17:19.44Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r476 modules/SliceAndDice.lua:
17:19.46Repo- made sure to set the default height on the slice'n'dice bar to 0 to make sure it doesn't go crazy
17:20.32KaeltenShadowed: what kind of information do you think could be useful (if any) thats not currently available to be submitted
17:20.41ShadowedReally it's just error logs Kaelten
17:20.53Shadowedmaybe some sort of indicator that the user has to look at the tickets in case more information is needed?
17:21.11KaeltenI'm going to include a big link to the ticket
17:22.04KaeltenI've been wanting to look into it
17:22.11Kaeltenbut some integration with bugsack would probably be doable
17:22.34koaschtenKaelten -> http://clientsupport.curse.com/ticket.aspx?id=2977
17:23.16Kaeltenkoaschten: in our defense we don't speak german I'd assume
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17:24.05koaschtenwell i am totally fine with ads being displayed in the free version, until they start and try running scripts locally to like ... expand over the display area when hovered or crap like that.
17:24.34Kaeltenya I don't agree with that kinda thing either, but I will say that most ads are dependent on javascript
17:24.40Kaeltenand many on flash
17:25.31koaschtenwhat happened to the gold old times when ads were plain jpgs...
17:26.12Kaeltenya I hear ya man
17:26.42Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r477 modules/PlayerHealth.lua:
17:26.44Repo- fixed an issue causing a weird shadow to appear on the player health bar without LibCommHeal-4.0 installed
17:27.19Kaeltenwhat pisses me off the most is when an unsavory one (the auto expanding, or popup type) slip through our filters
17:27.33quiescenso.o
17:27.34Kaeltenbecause as hard as our guys work to keep those out, there's a lot of people trying to get them through
17:27.50nevcairielits even funnier when a silly script like that then errors :P
17:28.00Kaeltentrue
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17:28.12Kaeltenjust need a webkit control that can be used in c#
17:29.43nevcairielthere are things like that, just not sure how good it works
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17:34.50Fiskerwhat do you need webkit for?
17:34.53FiskerBabysittin'?
17:37.14koaschtenno, to server hijackin ads to Fisker via curse client.
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17:42.18koaschten651 mails to go \o/
17:45.11Repo10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r470 / (2 files in 1 directory): blacklist update
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17:49.27Repo- fixed a couple of issues that could cause the SnD bar to display incorrectly
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18:08.47KaeltenShadowed: http://grab.by/3jiR
18:10.23Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r479 modules/CustomBar.lua:
18:10.25Repo- added user-submitted "max duration" functionality to custom bars such that they can always be a fixed time period
18:10.37Kaeltennevcairiel: http://grab.by/3jiR
18:12.12Kaeltenanyone?
18:15.31koaschtenlooks apple-ly
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18:17.36Kaeltenkoaschten: well I'd hope so
18:17.54Kaeltenkoaschten: :P
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18:24.15Ackiskoaschten: Kaelten is a mac fangirl
18:24.42koaschteni am proud to say, i resisted getting a macbook :/
18:25.07koaschtenbut nonetheless i fell for something stylish...
18:25.16koaschtendone uploading my mails by the way Ackis :)
18:25.26koaschtenlabel overkill and i need to figure out how to lable
18:25.30koaschten;)
18:25.43Ackisyeah I need to make the decision to move away from ISP mail first I think
18:25.50koaschten155 MB (2 %)
18:25.58koaschteni expected worse
18:26.07koaschtenstripping attachments was a good idea :D
18:27.40ckknightI've grown disenfranchised with Apple
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18:30.53koaschteni bought an asus CULV subnotebook, against all suggestions to not buy asus. but i fell for the design :/ http://tinyurl.com/yb3b2zd
18:31.38koaschtenand its awesome when it complains at 11% battery that it only can run for another 1h 15min :D
18:36.23Kaeltennote his disenfranchisement coincided with his assignment to a .net project
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18:55.22Fiskerhey koaschten
18:55.38Fiskersince charlie is wrong about everything sofar
18:55.43Fiskerlets hope he's not wrong about performance
18:55.44Fisker;3
18:56.02koaschtenso when does your 480 ship? ^^
18:56.06Fiskererr
18:56.11Fiskerlets hope he is wrong about performance :P
18:56.21Fiskerand depends on the performance koaschten
18:56.30Fiskerand if we're even getting some anytime soon
18:56.48arkanes_get more SSDs
18:57.25koaschtenone is enough for the start... next ssd is a sandstom :X
18:57.46koaschtenreplace indilinx in desktop, move to laptop, *wooosh*
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19:08.09ShadowedKaelten looks good
19:10.10winkI'd need a photo to verify this
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19:27.00Megalonfap alert!
19:28.14durcynkaelten's a sensual man.
19:29.22KaeltenFeedback please: http://grab.by/3jrK
19:29.25KaeltenShadowed ^
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19:29.35KaeltenHi EthanCentaurai
19:29.41EthanCentauraihiya
19:29.48Shadowedlooks good Kaelten
19:29.57KaeltenEthanCentaurai: I'm soliciting feedback for my revamp to ticket submission
19:30.02Kaeltenwanna help?
19:30.12EthanCentauraisure, what do I need to do?
19:30.17KaeltenShadowed: think those tips can actually help us get less noise?
19:30.23KaeltenEthanCentaurai: gief feedback http://grab.by/3jrK
19:30.27ShadowedKaelten, no but I think it's a nice thought :P
19:30.42Shadowednobody reads!
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19:31.01KaeltenEthanCentaurai: http://grab.by/3jiR
19:31.14KaeltenShadowed: that may be true, but I hope, really hope, that we can make it better
19:31.36KaeltenI really think the bug submission stuff is good for authors in theory, but the current implementations make it hard to get anything worthwhile out of it
19:31.56genetik-Kaelten: i think the list on the right should be bulletted or otherwise indented a bit.  looks weird as it is
19:32.12genetik-not including the header, of course
19:32.35AckisShadowed: I'm always bitching in his ear about morons that use the systme
19:32.37Ackis*system
19:32.45ShadowedI already suggested removing it, no dice!
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19:32.57ShadowedSome sort of extra box people could put bug reports in would be a good idea
19:33.03Shadowedso people see "HEY PUT THINGS HERE:
19:33.13EthanCentaurailooks good
19:33.24EthanCentauraibut what's with the "ovens may be very hot?" :p
19:33.31Kaeltengenetik-: http://grab.by/3jso
19:33.38genetik-yeah, that looks better
19:34.05winkyes, better
19:34.15Kaeltenhad to make the window slightly larger
19:34.17Kaeltendue to that
19:34.22winkKaelten: one thing, button placement
19:34.34genetik-Kaelten: can't have the list elements wrap?
19:34.39winkwhy is the lesser-used(I presume) switch nearer to the form than the OK
19:34.47winkOK should be easier at hand
19:34.55winks/OK/Submit/ ofc
19:35.03Kaeltengenetik-: hrm I could but I figured a quick one liner would get more people to read
19:35.12Ackiswink: mac standard UI stuff apparently :P
19:35.15Kaeltenwink: well atm I'm following the osx convention of "OK" being at the bottom right
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19:35.48winkok
19:35.54winknot a mac person
19:35.58winkbut it's weird
19:36.09genetik-usability debate of the century
19:36.09genetik-heh
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19:37.24Kaeltenhehe
19:37.29Kaeltenwell I'm open to ideas mind you
19:37.34winkups the shut fuck
19:37.49Kaeltenmaybe if I wrap the bullets a little it'd help me get it a little closer
19:37.52Kaeltenthoughts on wrapping?
19:37.54winknah, it's fiiiiinnneeee (as in Carlin "fine")
19:38.25arkanes_should use a notebook or listbook or other selector style interface instead of a "switch" button
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19:38.47genetik-Kaelten: able to link "check if the request has been made before" to anywhere for the user to check?
19:39.39Kaeltengenetik-: I was thinking about that
19:39.51KaeltenI could add a search button potentially
19:40.00Kaeltenbased on the title
19:40.15winkpear.php.net has this and it's semi-useful
19:40.23winksometimes you get a good match for a bug
19:40.29winksometimes you only go "WTF?"
19:40.32arkanes_UIs I've seen before have you enter the title first, and there's a listbox of likely hits before you continue with the submit
19:40.34wink(it's for bugs, not suggestions)
19:40.50arkanes_it should certainly happen before the user fills out the bulk of the report
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19:41.06EthanCentaurai~wowspell 30805
19:41.07purlhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=30805 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=30805
19:41.32Kaeltenarkanes_: hrm
19:41.43genetik-Kaelten: basically, if you suggest to the user that they should do something, you should provide a straightforward or automated way for them to do that
19:41.49KaeltenIt'd be pretty difficult for me to get the search results back into the client
19:41.59KaeltenI could offer a link so they could search on the site pretty easily though
19:42.37winkthat's bad
19:42.54arkanes_I'm tyring to remember where I've seen the UI I'm thinking of
19:43.16arkanes_basically you type in the one liner description, it pulls up a list and says "is it one of these?", and then if not you can get to the form proper
19:43.22arkanes_maybe pythons
19:45.44genetik-Kaelten: do you really want them to keep feature requests as simple as possible?  i don't see any reason to limit the details.
19:46.12arkanes_I'm not sure I'd even encourage feature requests through the client
19:46.23arkanes_bug reports should be made easy, and encourage as detailed of reporting as possible
19:46.33arkanes_but simple
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19:50.13Kaeltengenetik-: how am I limiting the details?
19:50.37genetik-"keep it as simple as possible"
19:50.39genetik-maybe i'm just mis-reading it
19:51.14genetik-but it sounds like you don't want them to write exactly what they're looking for, but just a short one-liner overview
19:51.58Kaeltenno not at all
19:52.15genetik-ok, the maybe the wording could use some work :)
19:52.18Stanzillaand the whole realmpool is down again
19:52.19genetik-s/the/then/
19:52.23Stanzillafu blizzard
19:53.29Kaeltengenetik-: happy to entertain suggestions
19:53.30Kaelten:)
19:53.48genetik-well, what were you trying to suggest them to do with that tip?
19:53.57EthanCentauraiStanzilla: this is what happens when people make Blizzard rush their patches out
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19:54.44Stanzillaour realmpool has been unstable for
19:54.45Stanzillaum
19:54.47Stanzilla1 month now
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19:54.54Pneumatuseu cyclone?
19:55.01Stanzillablutdurst
19:55.05Kaeltengenetik-: generally avoid super extravegent ideas, and try to encourage them to follow the 1 feature per reqeust thing
19:55.18quiescensworld peace?
19:55.19Pneumatuscyclone is broken also
19:55.35Repo10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r480 / (5 files in 2 directories):
19:55.37Repo- added some code to hide a bar if its height would have been set to 0. not sure why, but GlowArc and HiBar are having issues with zero-height bars, so this seems to fix it without needing to figure out what's up with the texture
19:56.27genetik-Kaelten: maybe replace that tip with a repeat of "only one feature per request", the second one having an '!'
19:56.36genetik-since it seems like that's the end goal
19:56.47Kaeltenya
19:56.49Kaeltenit really is
19:56.51KaeltenI might do that
19:56.57genetik-extravegant ideas are fine, i think.. it's just when it spans too broad
19:57.06Kaeltenya
19:58.50genetik-as far as the layout goes, i might play around with stacking the label on top of the input field to give them more width.. or at least for the feature description field
19:59.00genetik-narrow textareas can be a pain to use
20:00.17Kaeltenhttp://grab.by/3jvL
20:00.20Kaeltensome slight tweaks
20:00.30CrazyBenny_nice, I login after month and server goes down within 5 mins...
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20:04.25nicoli_slooks nice Kaelten
20:04.36nicoli_sim not a mac-crazy but its nice and clean, just as it should be
20:06.09harlseems like eu logon server's cramped
20:06.29winkdamn, and I'm not logged in
20:06.49winkgoes to devour more B-Trees and stuff
20:07.07harland my realm pool died a few minutes ago, it's back up but i can't get onto it..
20:07.33harlany of them
20:07.58EthanCentauraieveryone on EU-Cyclone has invaded EU-AzjolNerub and are now spamming in Dalaran... fucking children
20:08.18nevcairieli didnt
20:08.31Kalrothharl: cyclone?
20:08.42Kalrothi blame nev
20:08.54harlno, Kalroth
20:08.58EthanCentauraiheh, seemed like everyone
20:09.05Kalrothoh, i blame you then, harl!
20:09.16EthanCentaurai300+ level one naked gnomes yelling blue murder at Blizzard
20:09.27harlyou're welcome, Kalroth (but it's not my fault, still)
20:09.29EthanCentauraibefore I left :p
20:09.48nevcairieli never understood why people do that
20:10.31nevcairiellike blizzard even notices
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20:11.31Kaeltenhttp://grab.by/3jxp
20:11.32harlthey do, actually, they tend to go and even ban a few of them for an hour or two.
20:11.43Kaeltenanother iteration with some tweaks to the ui
20:14.00winkoh, colored button! *scnr*
20:15.22nevcairieli would remove the ten char minimum text and just show it in red or so when the user fails to provide 10 chars
20:15.41Kaeltennevcairiel thought about that, but do you think people would actually get it
20:16.22EthanCentauraiis it supposed to say "Feature Request for the Curse Client" if it's for an addon? Just asking as it also says "Keep it relevant to the project" in the side tips
20:16.39EthanCentauraior is this really for the Curse Client only?
20:16.51Kaeltenno that'll change at run time
20:16.56Kaeltenit's just placeholder text
20:16.59EthanCentauraiok
20:19.29Kaeltenhttp://grab.by/3jy2 text alignment fix
20:25.55Kaeltennevcairiel: thoughts
20:25.55Kaeltenhttp://grab.by/3jyN
20:27.51nevcairielyou could add some smallish text below the description label explaining what the description should really contain, the tips on the other side seem to be more of a generic type
20:28.18winkKaelten: it seriously needs a paper clip assistant
20:28.40nevcairielbut then that might make it look too overloaded
20:29.32Kaeltennevcairiel: I thought about putting the tips there, but I thought it looked too crampt
20:31.35nevcairielyeah, i guess it would
20:32.59Kaeltenany more thoughts before I move on?
20:33.03Kaeltenhttp://grab.by/3jyZ is where I'm at now btw
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20:34.40harldamn blutdurst *insert more ranting here*
20:34.46Stanzillayes
20:34.50Stanzillafix blutdurst
20:36.30asmodaiIn the category "what did you expect" Blizzard announced BlizzCon 2010.
20:36.48winkhehe
20:36.51winkand it's in Anaheim
20:36.59asmodaiOk, October this year instead of August.
20:37.04asmodaiAnd yes, Anaheim.
20:38.42asmodai"BlizzCon tickets sold out in less than 1 minute. That's even faster than Ret Paladins can storm the forums after a nerf."
20:39.01winkwow
20:39.03winkfreaks
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20:41.40harlalthough not all realms of the same realm pool seem to suffer of the same issues, there clearly is something amiss when about 1/4 of the realm list is flagged as offline
20:42.08harland at the same time, my friend's telling my she's still sittin in dalaran with her death knight on a realm that's is seemingly offline to me
20:42.12harl-is
20:47.50Corallyyha some people seams to be able ti logon and walk around but they can't do any changes to here characters gear/spec
20:48.04Corallybut they can cast spells and see the chat
20:48.14Corallythere*
20:49.07stolenlegacystrange AceGUI error :/ (error: http://paste.wowace.com/1877/) (code: http://paste.wowace.com/1879/)
20:49.17stolenlegacycan't find out why this occurs :/
20:49.27Pneumatus~wowalert
20:49.28purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
20:50.28asmodaihttp://i.imgur.com/mwZSR.jpg
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21:08.20KaeltenFeedback on the bug support panel please: http://grab.by/3jDI
21:09.57harllol, asmodai..
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21:10.48KaeltenShadowed: ^
21:10.56Shadowedapples
21:10.59Shadowedlooks good
21:11.06Kaeltenany feedback on the tips?
21:11.25Shadowedhrm
21:12.14Shadowed"If something is broke" should be "If something is broken"
21:12.33Shadowed"If something is broken, give a reasonable description on how it's broken"
21:13.02Shadowed"Bug report for the Curse Client" should probably be "Report a bug from the Curse Client"?
21:13.17Kaeltenthinking about replacing it when "Two word reports are seldom helpful and are often ignored"
21:13.20ShadowedUnless those are just quick texts, not the actual :P
21:13.37Kaeltenya those are quick, will be replaced at runtime
21:13.48ShadowedYou could say something like "The more detail provided, the faster a bug can be fixed"
21:14.15KaeltenI know I get a lot of "It's broken! help!"
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21:16.50KaeltenShadowed: how about "The more details given, the faster it can be fixed"
21:16.56Shadowedyea that's good
21:17.08Shadowedwell, "bugs can" not "it can"
21:17.19ShadowedBut I'm just being nit picky :P
21:17.31Kaeltenthose two extra letters cause an extra line wrap
21:20.49Shadowedhah
21:21.26Kaeltenooh, nvm that box wasn't as wide as the others
21:22.44Kaeltenhttp://grab.by/3jF7
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21:24.06Shadowed"Provide any in-game errors in the description" perhaps?
21:24.28Kaeltenhrm
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21:26.10PrimerWhoever said that GetPlayerFacing() now returns -2pi to 2pi since the patch...I've not observed this
21:26.30Primer< MysticalOS> sigh, 3.3.3 broke arrows too. -- GetPlayerFacing seems to return values between -pi and pi instead of 0 - 2pi sometimes since 3.3.3
21:26.40Primerlarge scrollback is good
21:26.56Primer-pi and pi, that is
21:28.55harlyep
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21:29.43koaschteneuro servers are like jojo's today
21:30.14SunTsunever play in patch week :>
21:31.25KriLL3mine has been very stable
21:31.41KriLL3people in BGs are constantly getting "server restarting" messages, but not me
21:31.53SunTsumine is there, a second after a failed try to log in
21:32.55winkthe cheese for glowergold takes 5min to respawn
21:32.57winkawesome bug
21:34.06KriLL3heh
21:35.05KriLL3I haven't had any issues, other than some serious testing of my patience, those bg honor tokens, and getting WSG as my random bg most of the day and always loosing due to uncoordinated deathmatch like gameplay on my team's part
21:36.04CorallyKriLL3: Go hore insted hehe
21:36.18Corallyhorde*
21:36.21KriLL3I've been both, and it's no different
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21:36.40Corallyok try horde on cyclone we neaver lose :)
21:36.42KriLL3your faction seems destined to suck
21:36.51KriLL3find that doubtful
21:37.04Corallywe win like 80% of the bgs
21:37.17Corallyand have WG 80-90% of the time
21:37.33KriLL3well I've been both factions on the same battlegroup... and it still feels like we loose most of them on both sides
21:37.47Corallyhaha bad timing maby :)
21:37.52KriLL3guess it's because you remember the losses more
21:38.42Corallyyha probobly.. hey that whould be a nice addon, that check how manny % av all bgs you lose/win xD
21:38.56KriLL3plenty of those
21:38.59Corally:(
21:39.31KriLL3had to reset my statistics though, want to check which BG gives the most honor/time now, with kills giving 2x what they used to some other instance might de-throne AV for honor grinding
21:40.08KriLL3which would be nice, well unless it's WSG/EOTS, rather put a fork in my eye than spend time in those
21:40.47Corallyhehe i like them ^^
21:41.04Corallyif you are like a 3v3 arena team going in there
21:42.04KriLL3eots is tedious since there are so many weird pieces of terrain, a real annoyance navigating it and keeping track of the weird ways people can avoid you, and there are so many drops boomkins/elemental shamans can exploit to make you fall to your death
21:42.19KriLL3also it's a bit weird, there is a flag and bases, it's like WSG + AB
21:42.25KriLL3a bit of a clusterfuck
21:43.02Corallyhaha well what can you say blizzard are out if ides
21:53.50Repo10querier: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.82-35-g04dba4b / (6 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
21:53.52Repo04dba4b: Added/removed item ids .. stop reseting the cache blizz argh :)
21:53.57Repo0af49bf: querier will print out what item id won't cache
21:54.03Repo10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 97eed44 Datamine.lua: [+1 commit] Corrected a typo of a recipe item id in the SPELL_TO_RECIPE_MAP table and added a bunch of Blacksmithing item ids to the DO_NOT_SCAN table
21:55.29industrialAny hunters in here? I need help on my gear.
21:56.07industrialhttp://www.wowhead.com/?profile=eu.grim-batol.seryan
21:56.08KriLL3can't you faceroll it=
21:56.10KriLL3?
21:56.32industrialI am wondering if I should go for ArP like that. if it weighs up. I could also just pump AGI everywhere ..
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21:57.35KriLL3I think armor penetration scales exponentially, a little is fairly useless, a lot is very good
21:57.45industrial35%
21:57.46industrialatm
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22:07.43koaschtenindustrial did you try loading your char in Rawr?
22:07.55industrialnop
22:08.13koaschtenthere is a silverlight web version up at elitistjerks.
22:08.35koaschtenhujianing
22:08.44koaschtenhttp://elitistjerks.com/rawr.php
22:10.01industrialeep silverlight, not on my pc you dont! :p
22:14.31KriLL3?...
22:14.40KriLL3should be pre-installed if you got a semi modern OS
22:15.35industrialits again MS'es policy of 'lets do what they do but have our own version'.
22:15.55industrialbut HTML5 is going to fix all that (and flash) soon enough for content delivery.
22:16.12KriLL3actually silverlight is better than flash in many ways
22:16.35KriLL3problem with HTML5 is the current bifurcation of codecs  
22:16.49industrialI dont like flash either, by the way.
22:17.14KriLL3theora was the original one used in demos etc but youtube uses h.264 since all their video is that codec already, issue with h.264 is that it's proprietary, and thus you're left with the same issues
22:17.25NeoTronKriLL3: especially the linux support? :P
22:18.03KriLL3NeoTron: sorry no idea what it is, don't use/care about *nix
22:18.18KriLL3well except for servers/routers, where you're not likely to need it
22:19.03industrialI think we are then far away from the same issues
22:19.14industrialnamely the whole distribution platform not being proprietary, just the codec
22:19.29industrialand you can do a lot with the canvas element
22:19.47industrialthere is already an IDE being developed with javascript that feels like a real IDE (well editor at the moment feautrewise)
22:19.56KriLL3well true, but it's still an issue
22:22.36industrialand while were still talking proprietary - I think microsofts Jscript was retarded (they just made their own version, see a theme?).
22:23.14industrial"Due to the widespread success of JavaScript as a client-side scripting language for web pages, Microsoft developed a compatible dialect of the language, naming it JScript to avoid trademark issues." -- wikipedia
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22:24.20industrialas if its not possible license wise to distribute open source software with proprietary .. just separate it.
22:24.33industrialno, they do it because its microsoft.
22:24.43industrialbut enough ranting, back to my huntard! :D
22:24.53Primerno no, keep going
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23:21.44Repo10repheaderremember: 03stencil * r23 / (3 files in 1 directory): RELEASE V3.3.01  -- code cleanup
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