| 00:00.13 | Repo | 10ailo: 03Starfox 041.0.28 * r102 : Tagging as 1.0.28 |
| 00:00.15 | Repo | Now with weekly raid tracking :7 |
| 00:01.29 | Caleb| | any US ppl around? |
| 00:01.44 | Caleb| | I assume no 10% buff in ICC, or can anyone confirm it? |
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| 00:11.20 | Aeyan | Caleb|: Nope. |
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| 00:26.43 | Hid | Primer, Any progress on the directionarrow code? =) |
| 00:26.57 | Primer | Haven't really done anything today |
| 00:27.10 | Hid | ah ok |
| 00:27.16 | Primer | I was able to parse the instance size file into a lua file |
| 00:27.29 | Primer | but then the point arose that it's incomplete |
| 00:27.31 | Hid | I started playing with the idea of borrowing some of your code to write an arena-version of it |
| 00:27.49 | Primer | there's no reason why it shouldn't just work in the arena |
| 00:27.54 | Primer | as-is |
| 00:28.01 | Hid | Something along the lines of when you press a keybind the arrow pops up and points to your healer, with distance and LoS info |
| 00:29.05 | Hid | yeah, I checked the code and it seems really nice, would just have to write the code for the additional functionality, and add support for distance info and LoS checking (by trying to cast some spell on your healer) |
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| 00:29.23 | Primer | distance is easy |
| 00:29.34 | Primer | as long as you have the map dimensions |
| 00:29.50 | Primer | my other addon did this, but was hackish |
| 00:30.15 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1392 / (5 files in 2 directories): |
| 00:30.17 | Repo | - Slightly adjusted Sacred Shield coefficient (from 75% to 75.15%) |
| 00:30.22 | Primer | since there was no de-facto db for instance dimensions |
| 00:30.29 | Hid | Primer, yeah should be no problem at all |
| 00:30.38 | Primer | LoS though...not too sure |
| 00:31.23 | Hid | Actually, in arenas you could probably get away with just checking distance with a spell and/or CheckInteractDistance |
| 00:31.37 | Hid | afaik you can only check for LoS by watching for the OOLOS error message |
| 00:31.47 | Cyprias1 | Is there coords in arenas? I don't think you can bring up a map in there. |
| 00:31.47 | Cyprias1 | /haven't stepped in a arena in months. |
| 00:33.23 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian 041.7.7_beta-1 * r1393 : Tagging as 1.7.7_beta-1 |
| 00:34.18 | Hid | Nope, no info from GetPlayerMapPosition in arenas |
| 00:37.17 | Hid | Guess the only option is to use an addon channel and use minimap pings, requiring the whole arena team to use the addon to track positions |
| 00:39.30 | Hid | That way you can also watch for LoS warnings at the same time, and get player facing info |
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| 00:54.08 | Ingela^ | who more then me hope curse premiums get sc2 accs?! |
| 00:54.15 | Ingela^ | raise your hand! |
| 00:55.22 | Gnarfoz | raises hand |
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| 01:36.19 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r417 / (4 files in 3 directories): |
| 01:36.21 | Repo | Make strings localizable and fix up the cooldown options a bit. |
| 01:37.40 | Repo | 10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander * r184 / (6 files in 2 directories): LibLordFarlander-2.0: |
| 01:37.42 | Repo | - More changes to pet and mount mining |
| 01:47.27 | Silowyi | is there an addon that tracks internal cooldowns of trinket procs and such? |
| 01:47.47 | Stanzilla | InternalCooldowns |
| 01:47.48 | Stanzilla | ! |
| 01:48.05 | Silowyi | hmm *looks it up* |
| 01:48.48 | Silowyi | oh by Antiarc |
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| 02:23.15 | Adys | orionshock: ping |
| 02:47.34 | Repo | 10grid2: 03Azethoth * r459 GridRoster.lua: Clean up GridRoster some more |
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| 03:46.22 | Repo | 10joustdoit: 03x87bliss * r9 / (7 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 03:46.24 | Repo | Fixed: Load enUS locale last - no functional change, just slightly more efficient |
| 03:46.25 | Repo | Added: Interface Options panel for config. The slash commands will now open the new options panel. |
| 03:46.26 | Repo | Added: JDI will now ensure your off hand is re-equipped if needed (Titan Grip Warriors) |
| 03:46.27 | Repo | Optimized: Consolidated all lance itemid checks to one function; easier to update |
| 03:50.20 | Repo | 10joustdoit: 03x87bliss 04v3.3.2.4 * r10 : Tagging as v3.3.2.4 |
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| 03:59.54 | Primer | Hi Adys |
| 03:59.58 | Adys | Hey |
| 04:00.35 | Primer | Last night we talked about map sizes and such. Did you ever determine where the other dungeon level sizes were? |
| 04:00.57 | Primer | well, that answers that |
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| 04:01.17 | quiescens | o.o |
| 04:01.21 | Primer | and here I thought my question made you leave |
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| 04:01.32 | Adys | theyre in dungeonmap.dbc |
| 04:01.36 | quiescens | run adys, run! |
| 04:01.55 | Primer | Adys: So I guess I need to learn how to datamine? |
| 04:02.11 | Primer | picks up mining as his second profession |
| 04:02.43 | Primer | Adys: what about those zones/instances that have 0 for oll the x/y values? |
| 04:03.12 | Adys | they're in dungeonmap.dbc too |
| 04:03.15 | Adys | but |
| 04:03.21 | Adys | cant check them right now |
| 04:03.23 | Adys | brb |
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| 04:04.14 | Primer | Well, I have plenty of time :) |
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| 04:04.22 | Primer | I just figured that some other addon would have mined this all by now |
| 04:08.14 | Adys | dbm has |
| 04:08.14 | Adys | :p |
| 04:09.13 | Primer | hopefully it's in a clearly labeled file |
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| 04:10.34 | Primer | oh look, there it is |
| 04:10.39 | Primer | Adys: thanks again! |
| 04:10.45 | Groktar | i really, REALLY hate lady deathwhisper |
| 04:10.54 | steev | i hate her diatribe |
| 04:11.04 | Groktar | done her on heroic 25 yet? |
| 04:11.07 | steev | nope |
| 04:11.09 | Groktar | it is sooooo annoying |
| 04:11.14 | steev | haven't down lk in normal yet :) |
| 04:11.27 | Primer | <-- never even seen LK |
| 04:11.32 | Primer | not even in 10 man |
| 04:11.33 | steev | well, same |
| 04:11.37 | Groktar | we had to 20 man dreamwalker/sindragosa/lk on normal yesterday |
| 04:11.42 | Groktar | because people didn't log on :( |
| 04:11.46 | steev | bah |
| 04:11.49 | Primer | boohoo? |
| 04:12.01 | steev | when we have 20 people.... we.... do toc 25... and then call it a day *sigh* |
| 04:12.15 | Primer | same here |
| 04:12.26 | steev | or |
| 04:12.29 | steev | as was the case monday |
| 04:12.38 | steev | we just call it because we'd done toc 25 on thursday |
| 04:13.41 | Primer | wow, there is no one file with all the instance map sizes in DBM |
| 04:13.47 | Primer | they're spread around all over the place |
| 04:14.09 | Hid | Primer, We pug'ed LK 10man this week >.< |
| 04:14.46 | Primer | My server's best progression is 6/12 H ICC 25 |
| 04:14.59 | Primer | about 3-4 guilds |
| 04:16.10 | steev | we need to do something because this whole raiding thing is starting to get retarded |
| 04:16.34 | steev | people saying they are available, and then no call no show, and there is no problem with that, they just show up next time keeping their rank and such |
| 04:17.07 | Primer | my guild has the same problem |
| 04:17.20 | Primer | thing is, on days where we can fill a 25 man, it's _barely_ filled |
| 04:17.23 | steev | "we're casual" |
| 04:17.39 | steev | i freaking hate hearing that |
| 04:17.39 | Primer | so we can't just go "Oh, you didn't show up last week. You lost your spot....TO A PUG!" |
| 04:18.16 | Primer | I don't get why DBM spread all the map sizes into their own files |
| 04:18.45 | Primer | formulas a shell command line to concatenate all the info into one file |
| 04:19.10 | Shefki | Primer: You could just get them from DXE |
| 04:19.15 | Shefki | They're already in one file. |
| 04:19.24 | Primer | Shefki: Have I told you lately that I love you? |
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| 04:19.56 | Shefki | Though I'm probably going to redo them, because the numbers in DXE are derived from in game testing not data mining. |
| 04:20.33 | Shefki | No idea how DBM got theirs, I haven't looked at what they have. |
| 04:20.48 | Primer | Adys is implying it's from data mining |
| 04:20.58 | Primer | or I'm presuming as much |
| 04:21.31 | Adys | I gave the numbers to DBM |
| 04:21.47 | Adys | which is why i said you can just copy theirs |
| 04:23.33 | Primer | now to write a regex to split the values from each file... |
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| 04:37.28 | Primer | Odd, some instances have a single level whose index is 1 |
| 04:37.34 | Primer | and others the index is 0 |
| 04:37.55 | Primer | unless I'm misinterpreting this |
| 04:38.00 | Primer | which is very likely |
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| 04:53.14 | Arrowmaster | likely |
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| 05:45.34 | steev | [dri] radeon kernel module version is 2.0.0 but version 1.8.0 or newer is needed. |
| 05:45.42 | steev | win |
| 05:53.18 | quiescens | you'd better upgrade |
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| 05:57.08 | quiescens | to 1.8.0 or newer |
| 05:57.09 | quiescens | nodnod |
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| 06:21.29 | Primer | So right now I'm in a raid, testing my addon. I have PB4, Xperl, Vuhdo, and the default raid frames up |
| 06:21.38 | Primer | My arrow works in all but vuhdo...WHICH WORKED YESTERDAY! |
| 06:21.46 | Primer | this is very odd |
| 06:21.58 | Primer | it's now intermittently working with the default UI |
| 06:22.06 | Primer | I wonder if it's a layering issue |
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| 06:36.58 | Hid | Primer, Probably easiest to just hardcode the frame names of addons you want to support instead |
| 06:37.20 | Primer | why? it's working for just about everything |
| 06:37.49 | Hid | since GetMouseFocus can be a bit unreliable (for example your addon wouldn't work if mousing over a frame which has mouse input disabled) |
| 06:38.31 | Hid | Also it might attack itself to a random sub-frame depending on where you hover your mouse (like a healthbar/powerbar, icon or something like that, as long as the other frame has a name) |
| 06:40.54 | Hid | For example, with SUF you would just attach your arrow to SUFUnit<"unit">, like SUFUnitparty1 or SUFUnitplayer |
| 06:41.07 | Hid | That solution also allows the user to configure the addon a bit more, to maby only show the arrow on certain frames, etc |
| 06:43.09 | Primer | very odd |
| 06:43.16 | Primer | it's working in vuhdo again |
| 06:43.18 | haste | man, and you haven't tested with various oUF layouts! |
| 06:43.20 | Primer | but not for this ONE unit |
| 06:43.28 | Hid | And just because you hardcode support for a few unitframe mods doesn't mean you can't keep the code you got right now. That way users got an option to use that if there is no support for the addon they're using |
| 06:44.16 | Hid | Primer, Dunno how you're debugging it right now, but I would suggest the /dtframestack option of DevTools (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3999-DevTools.html) |
| 06:44.34 | Hid | With that you can get a pretty good picture of how frames are organized just by mousing over them |
| 06:44.58 | Hid | Might help you figure out what's causing problems with vuhdo but not with the default frames |
| 06:46.35 | Hid | (unlike GetMouseFocus it will show nameless frames by their table name) |
| 06:50.02 | Hid | oooh, I know what might be the problem.. |
| 06:50.25 | Hid | Doesn't the selfcast option interfere with "mouseover"? |
| 06:50.39 | Primer | eh? |
| 06:51.35 | Hid | The "mouseover" unitID doesn't work reliably if you got selfcast enabled in some mods (like the default actionbars, or in this case possibly vuhdo) |
| 06:52.44 | Hid | If you hover over an actionbutton while pressing your selfcast modifier "mouseover" will return the unit targeted by your "selfcast" |
| 06:53.36 | Hid | Or something like that, has been a while since I worked with it (wrote a tooltip addon a while back) |
| 06:53.41 | Hid | But I know for sure I had some troubles with it |
| 06:55.39 | Primer | Isn't there a vanilla framestack command? |
| 06:56.51 | Hid | yeah, but I don't think it shows frames without a name |
| 06:57.04 | Hid | it just works off of GetMouseFocus afaik? |
| 06:57.23 | Primer | well, that's what I'm doing at the moment, /dump GetMouseFocus() |
| 06:57.56 | Primer | it's very odd...I just did the random heroic, and this one DK...the arrow simply would not work for him in vuhdo |
| 06:58.11 | Primer | yet in every other raid addon, it works fine |
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| 07:01.49 | Hid | just checked the blizz SecureButton_GetModifiedUnit function, and it does indeed handle selfcast differently ^^ |
| 07:01.57 | Primer | cool |
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| 07:02.14 | Hid | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.14 | Hid | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.14 | Hid | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.14 | Hid | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.05 | Hid | and another one for focuscast, etc |
| 07:03.36 | Hid | might be that vuhdo does something to the selfcast attributes causing your addon to behave strangly |
| 07:04.09 | Hid | s/strangly/strangely/ |
| 07:04.18 | Hid | purl, Thank you cutie. |
| 07:04.18 | purl | my pleasure, Hid |
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| 07:25.00 | Primer | fucking weird, I could not cast using the keyboard just now |
| 07:28.53 | Hid | Primer, got an updated version of the code you're working on that I could take a look at? |
| 07:29.07 | Hid | or is http://www.ceregatti.org/svnweb/index.cgi/direction-arrow/view/trunk/DirectionArrow.lua up to date? |
| 07:30.25 | Primer | let me commit |
| 07:33.35 | Primer | doh, need to set eol-style |
| 07:33.55 | Hid | :) |
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| 07:37.38 | Primer | sec, I'm also doing voa |
| 07:37.46 | Hid | Hehe |
| 07:37.50 | Hid | Multitasking, ey? :D |
| 07:37.58 | Primer | pally tank friend invited me for 25 and I made a video with 4 different raid frames up |
| 07:38.20 | Primer | and the pally and DK tanking gloves dropped (I'm DK tank) |
| 07:38.27 | Hid | Bet your UI wasn't cluttered at all :) |
| 07:38.44 | Hid | gz |
| 07:39.05 | Primer | I'll upload it to youtube in a sec |
| 07:39.18 | Hid | I've been having the worst of luck with VoA drops on my main since season 5 :/ |
| 07:39.29 | Hid | Gotten lots of stuff on alts though :/ |
| 07:42.29 | Primer | there |
| 07:42.31 | Repo | 10direction-arrow: 03Barfolomeu * r8 / (6 files in 1 directory): Start distance code. |
| 07:42.43 | Primer | I'm encoding that video now |
| 07:44.52 | Primer | I realized now what the difference with vuhdo was. It worked in party frames and it did not work in raid frames |
| 07:46.28 | Hid | Okey, what was the reason? |
| 07:46.36 | Primer | I don't know yet |
| 07:46.43 | Primer | I'll have to get someone to group with me to test |
| 07:46.45 | Primer | or, do the weekly |
| 07:46.49 | Primer | or another VoA |
| 07:46.53 | Primer | I have 4 80s |
| 07:47.00 | Hid | <-- 8 |
| 07:47.01 | Hid | :P |
| 07:47.20 | Hid | I win at not having a life, hah! :P |
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| 08:01.01 | Hid | Primer, Now I'm kinda curious to find out what the problem is :D |
| 08:01.24 | Primer | me too, but it's so tedious to test |
| 08:01.32 | Hid | Maby this will help http://pastebin.ca/1843326 |
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| 08:02.16 | Hid | Put in a bit of debugging output and replaced the blizzard getunit function with a simple GetAttribute() call instead |
| 08:03.06 | Hid | (I can't test it myself, my realm is still offline, damn maintenence) |
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| 08:14.36 | Primer | doh |
| 08:15.32 | Hid | That code I pasted will not work correctly when mousing over raid/party pets, in case you were wondering ^^ |
| 08:15.50 | Hid | (since it doesn't check the "unitsuffix" attribute) |
| 08:15.58 | Primer | I just remembered, I need to add support for vehicles |
| 08:16.10 | Primer | notes that in the Description.txt |
| 08:16.14 | Hid | :) |
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| 08:17.13 | stolenlegacy | anybody can tell me what arguments are passed to the OnAccept handler of a StaticPopupDialog? EU realms are offline, so I can't check right now :( |
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| 08:19.08 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r2598 / (17 files in 8 directories): PvP revamp finalized |
| 08:19.27 | Hid | stolenlegacy, http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/StaticPopup.lua might help? |
| 08:19.40 | stolenlegacy | Hid: ty, will check |
| 08:25.16 | Hid | stolenlegacy, seems to be OnAccept(self, data1, data2) |
| 08:25.37 | stolenlegacy | Hid: i assume those are the same that are passed to StaticPopup_Show |
| 08:25.52 | stolenlegacy | which doesn't help me, since that accepts 2 arguments at most |
| 08:26.39 | Hid | Well, there is only 2 arguments, data1 and data2 |
| 08:26.48 | Hid | What are you trying to do? =) |
| 08:27.12 | stolenlegacy | show a dialog that varies in 2 different points - and pass a hidden ID along with it to the onaccept |
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| 08:27.33 | stolenlegacy | now i'll just have to adjust the dialog table each time i show the dialog with appropriate functions |
| 08:28.01 | Hjalte | Bibi: You know, there's one problem with mmo-champion.com being so popular. It's blocked by the opendns "Games" filter (wor isn't yet). |
| 08:29.33 | haste | *reports wor* |
| 08:32.48 | Hjalte | It sucks that all the good websites are blocked at work. I'm working in Customer Care and sometimes, people just don't call in, so you need something to do. |
| 08:33.07 | Hid | stolenlegacy, How do you mean "varies"? |
| 08:33.19 | Gagorian | Hjalte: Use a proxy? |
| 08:33.22 | stolenlegacy | Hid: is modified |
| 08:33.50 | Hjalte | Gagorian: I'm not interested in breaking the rules. I know they monitor internet usage to some extent. |
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| 08:34.00 | stolenlegacy | Hid: "%s something %s something else" |
| 08:34.20 | stolenlegacy | i could pass var1.." something "..var2 as arg1, though |
| 08:34.34 | stolenlegacy | but i think i've found another way |
| 08:38.57 | Hid | Alright :) |
| 08:38.59 | stolenlegacy | 90 minutes until EU realms are back up /sigh |
| 08:45.04 | Hid | Without knowing exactly what you're trying to accomplish I might be completely unhelpful here, but maby StaticPopupDialogs[].OnUpdate is what you need? |
| 08:47.31 | quiescens | o.o |
| 08:47.39 | Hid | wut |
| 08:53.31 | stolenlegacy | Hid: i'll try that if my solution doesn't work |
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| 09:03.33 | Primer | wtf |
| 09:03.42 | Primer | my box is crashing like mad |
| 09:03.46 | Primer | this is bullshit |
| 09:04.05 | haste | or is it? |
| 09:04.15 | Primer | I have a feeling it's some driver. I've been messing with them today |
| 09:04.57 | Primer | the machine itself seems fine. Spent the whole day working in Linux with no issues (granted, I don't run the graphics much on Linux) |
| 09:05.09 | Hid | Primer, Tell the driver to stop crashing so much unless he wants to lose his license |
| 09:05.17 | Primer | 2 crashes in windows 7 today |
| 09:05.30 | Primer | been monitoring the temperature and it seems fine |
| 09:05.42 | Primer | it was hot earlier, but it's not hot now |
| 09:06.13 | Primer | thing is, I can't even tell if it's going to blue screen because the monitor goes offline immediately |
| 09:06.28 | Hid | 9:38AM up 652 days, 22:19, 2 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.08, 0.08 |
| 09:06.33 | Primer | the disk is thrashing, so it seems it's trying to write a core fule |
| 09:06.35 | Hid | My fileserver :) |
| 09:06.40 | Primer | core file |
| 09:06.47 | Primer | not bad |
| 09:07.03 | Primer | I've had servers close to 3 years |
| 09:07.11 | Hid | Not for an old 500mhz :) |
| 09:07.14 | Primer | at my old work |
| 09:07.56 | Primer | then main breaker tripped and and the entire datacenter lost power |
| 09:07.59 | Hid | I think the highest uptime on any box in the "server room" I got here at home has been around 2 years |
| 09:08.13 | Primer | UPS + generators wasn't able to save the day |
| 09:08.13 | Hid | Hoping for my fileserver to keep on trucking for many years to come! :) |
| 09:13.38 | quiescens | pours salt water on the server |
| 09:13.44 | quiescens | o.o |
| 09:14.31 | Hid | Last time I rebooted my whole server room (was moving some stuff around, rewiring the place) I forgot to plug the UPS back in, and didn't notice it until several months later |
| 09:14.48 | Hid | But by that time I didn't wanna ruin the uptime stats so I never got around to plugging it back in :P |
| 09:14.59 | quiescens | splice the cables so you don't have to unplug anything |
| 09:15.08 | Hid | haha :D |
| 09:15.09 | Primer | I stopped caring about uptime a long time ago |
| 09:15.12 | Elkano | until they ruin themselves... ^^ |
| 09:15.42 | Primer | rolls back the video driver...again... |
| 09:15.47 | Primer | fucking windows |
| 09:15.48 | Hid | Primer, Just joking around, ofc I had other reasons aswell, main one being "CBA" :) |
| 09:15.48 | quiescens | i don't care about uptime, i care about !down time |
| 09:15.49 | Primer | such a POS |
| 09:15.59 | quiescens | o.o |
| 09:16.13 | SunTsu | I normally care more about UPS than I ever could about uptime |
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| 09:20.22 | Primer | Uploading that video with the 4 different raid frames at once |
| 09:20.33 | Primer | guess I should test grid |
| 09:21.41 | Primer | I just got the badge belt. Busted 47k unbuffed on my DK |
| 09:22.21 | Primer | and I have a gem slot to spare...pondering putting an exp gem...at 21 exp, and I'm hit spell capped (presuming SP + Boom...290 hit) |
| 09:23.25 | quiescens | spellpower imo |
| 09:26.34 | Primer | fuckit, stam it is |
| 09:31.58 | Hid | Primer, nice :) |
| 09:32.53 | Hid | IMO you should at least softcap expertise |
| 09:33.45 | Hid | imp ff and misery doesn't stack btw |
| 09:34.24 | Primer | I tank as blood |
| 09:35.42 | Hid | yea? |
| 09:37.10 | Hid | You mean you're at 21 expertise not including the 6 exp from talents or? |
| 09:38.07 | Primer | my character sheet shows 21 exp |
| 09:38.27 | Primer | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Kaká |
| 09:39.08 | Hid | ah ok, ye talent is included in that, so you're 5 exp from softcap |
| 09:41.39 | quiescens | respec 0/0/0 |
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| 09:46.15 | Primer | meh, going with stam |
| 09:46.21 | Primer | I can generate enough aggro |
| 09:46.37 | Primer | not like a parry will cause me to lose aggro |
| 09:46.50 | Kuosi | stack stam if u doing heroic modes |
| 09:46.56 | Kuosi | get md's and tricks |
| 09:47.06 | Primer | heh |
| 09:47.10 | Kuosi | just hoar up as much ehp you can get |
| 09:47.26 | Kuosi | that's how every1 is doing it :o |
| 09:47.27 | Primer | there |
| 09:47.33 | Primer | 47.4k HP unbuffed |
| 09:48.00 | Kuosi | that's like what paragon's mt has in caster form(feral) :D |
| 09:48.16 | Primer | this isn't even my main |
| 09:48.24 | Primer | plus I'm a DK |
| 09:48.45 | Kuosi | don't blood dk's like have more stam than palas f.e? |
| 09:48.51 | Kuosi | pretty sure they do after nerf |
| 09:49.21 | Primer | yeah, I usually have more stam than pallies |
| 09:49.45 | Kuosi | my pala has 46.xk but not too great gear |
| 09:50.00 | Kuosi | havent played too much on it lately |
| 09:50.16 | quiescens | moo |
| 09:50.19 | quiescens | o.o |
| 09:50.22 | Kuosi | no alt raids -> pugging -> wrists |
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| 09:51.01 | Primer | I've been playing a lot lately |
| 09:51.12 | Primer | I run my own 1-day, 3 hour ICC 25 |
| 09:51.42 | Primer | Which is how I gear up this DK |
| 09:51.48 | Kuosi | the stuff I'd need dont drop from bosses pugs clear on our server :( |
| 09:52.01 | Kuosi | except marks ofc |
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| 10:57.22 | orionshock | grr |
| 10:57.29 | orionshock | when will blue learn this answer: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23767159948&sid=1 |
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| 13:53.58 | olafski | one of my ex guildies just said that he managed to do the weekly raid twice, by doing it on tuesday and then again today after the reset.. I thought that wasn't possible? |
| 13:54.30 | nevcairiel | there is some bug that allows it |
| 13:55.18 | Fisker | yeaj |
| 13:55.20 | Fisker | yeah |
| 13:55.25 | Fisker | giant ascii middlefinger to Blizzard |
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| 13:55.35 | Fisker | unless they decided to finally move the reset to wednesdays |
| 13:55.51 | olafski | guess I should start doing that then |
| 13:55.58 | olafski | since I only do the weekly when it's naxx anyway |
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| 14:11.40 | arkanes | slacker |
| 14:11.53 | arkanes | do all the weeklies, all the time! |
| 14:14.50 | olafski | even pugging naxx gets on my nerves |
| 14:14.55 | olafski | I'm not doing anything above that |
| 14:14.58 | olafski | well maybe flame leviathan |
| 14:15.43 | arkanes | what about marrowgar? |
| 14:15.53 | arkanes | you know you love it! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONESTOOOOOOOORM |
| 14:16.19 | arkanes | when I make my WoW themed porno, Marrogwar will feature a major role |
| 14:17.45 | nevcairiel | he'll bone impale people on his big boner? |
| 14:18.28 | olafski | never done marrowgar |
| 14:18.36 | olafski | but if I won't do ignis or XT why would I do him? :P |
| 14:19.39 | arkanes | because he yells BOOOOOOOOOOONESTOOOOOOORM |
| 14:19.39 | olafski | yes.. I've heard it, not very interesting :P |
| 14:19.40 | arkanes | aw, you're no fun anymore |
| 14:20.11 | olafski | in other news, I've just "installed" sumatrapdf and it's nice |
| 14:20.14 | genetik- | the other week, we got instructor razuvious for the weekly. so we gathered up 9 people to go in and 10 man him.. but when we finished clearing to him, we saw 4 adds. we didn't have a priest in the group, so we were sad. |
| 14:20.53 | olafski | :P |
| 14:20.54 | genetik- | (i forgot to change the raid size) |
| 14:20.58 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 14:21.19 | nevcairiel | doesnt a good tank survive tanking him and his adds all at once now? <.< |
| 14:21.25 | genetik- | yeah, but it was all alts |
| 14:21.29 | genetik- | so not quite |
| 14:21.30 | genetik- | heh |
| 14:21.44 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 14:21.46 | arkanes | I kinda doubt it |
| 14:21.48 | olafski | doesn't he hit for like 10k? |
| 14:21.50 | olafski | 100k* |
| 14:21.52 | arkanes | unbalance strike hits for about 50k |
| 14:21.55 | genetik- | like 50k |
| 14:21.59 | nevcairiel | dodge! |
| 14:22.01 | olafski | :) |
| 14:22.03 | genetik- | hehe |
| 14:22.11 | arkanes | which you could survive, if you didn't have the defense debuff that let it crit you |
| 14:22.23 | genetik- | we all cracked up so hard when we saw 4 adds, though |
| 14:22.52 | arkanes | we 6 manned anub, with all alts, and still killed him before the first locust swarm |
| 14:23.02 | arkanes | DPS inflation has been kinda crazy |
| 14:23.07 | genetik- | because we had been talking about how it was taking longer than it usually did.. but it was mostly new alts, so we just shrugged it off |
| 14:23.34 | Adirelle|work | we've done Noth before he ported to his balcony, even with alts |
| 14:24.21 | arkanes | and then we finally get some people who actually want to do an undying run and our DK offtank sits in the very first KT void zone |
| 14:24.45 | genetik- | pro |
| 14:24.50 | arkanes | yeah we made fun of him |
| 14:25.03 | Fisker | Thorim and XT is still my favorite VO's |
| 14:25.09 | genetik- | "there goes immortal" |
| 14:25.22 | arkanes | gonna buy the XT minipet? |
| 14:25.35 | Fisker | who says it's going to cost anything? ;3 |
| 14:25.46 | olafski | bibi suspects it will |
| 14:25.49 | olafski | sounds plausible |
| 14:25.51 | arkanes | the tooltip suggests that its tied to a plushie |
| 14:26.04 | olafski | oh an XT plushie would be nice |
| 14:26.29 | Fisker | arkanes sauce |
| 14:26.35 | Fisker | gonna be mad if it's a plushie though |
| 14:26.46 | arkanes | oh sorry, "action figure" |
| 14:26.51 | arkanes | I'm just repeating what bibi says |
| 14:27.14 | arkanes | since the names the same as Lil'KT it seems really likely that it'll be on the store |
| 14:27.26 | arkanes | I'm wondering about the celestial steed & dragon, though, those look pimp |
| 14:28.06 | Fisker | i wonder how fast they'll make mounts in cataclysm though |
| 14:28.15 | nevcairiel | i doubt faster |
| 14:28.22 | arkanes | I'm wondering how high up DPS is going to scale |
| 14:28.26 | nevcairiel | speed didnt change in wotlk |
| 14:28.35 | olafski | same nevcairiel.. the current speed gives some prediction trouble already |
| 14:29.06 | arkanes | in TBC, you had people going from maybe 800 DPS in endgame 60 gear to 2kish is endgame 70 gear |
| 14:29.16 | arkanes | whereas in wotlk you went from like 2k to 10k |
| 14:29.17 | nevcairiel | fylign around 310% already makes stuff load after you've passed there :P |
| 14:29.27 | Fisker | nevcairiel they're giving out 310% speed like candy now |
| 14:29.42 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 14:29.48 | Fisker | yes rly |
| 14:29.51 | arkanes | ironbound proto is pretty easy |
| 14:30.10 | arkanes | but it's still a fair amount of gear/skill invested |
| 14:30.12 | nevcairiel | i still think they shouldve removed those with 3.2, but its still not that easy |
| 14:30.31 | arkanes | I still need a 1 light kill :\ |
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| 14:31.02 | Fisker | still pretty easy in my opinion |
| 14:31.32 | arkanes | its much easier to get ironbound now than the naxx ones were when they removed them |
| 14:31.39 | arkanes | but they probably where like, eh, 310 speed, no big deal |
| 14:31.59 | olafski | the only 310% mount I'll be likely to get in this expansion is the violet drake :P |
| 14:32.03 | arkanes | I've got a violet |
| 14:32.12 | olafski | waiting for childrens week :( |
| 14:32.17 | arkanes | and honestly its really easy, the limiting factor is basically the time |
| 14:32.29 | olafski | yer |
| 14:32.40 | olafski | I skipped childrens week last year because I didn't want to do the pvp stuff |
| 14:32.43 | olafski | guess I'll have to now though |
| 14:32.51 | quiescens | so violent |
| 14:32.53 | arkanes | its not hard |
| 14:33.15 | arkanes | anyway, so yeah, DPS scaling |
| 14:33.26 | arkanes | not only has DPS been going up, the rate at which DPS is going up has been going up |
| 14:33.34 | arkanes | so... 100k single target DPS in endgame cata? |
| 14:33.44 | olafski | in quest greens perhaps! |
| 14:33.45 | pentium166 | i think they said they weren't going to scale dps as much |
| 14:33.52 | nevcairiel | they could just re-scale the whole dps while they are re-doing the spells anyway |
| 14:33.56 | arkanes | the could |
| 14:34.05 | arkanes | I think they're getting in over their heads there though |
| 14:34.12 | nevcairiel | but its just a number |
| 14:34.15 | nevcairiel | what does it matter? |
| 14:34.16 | arkanes | they're already doing a ton of re-tuning and balancing for cata |
| 14:34.18 | arkanes | it doesn't |
| 14:34.26 | olafski | people like seeing big numbers |
| 14:34.27 | arkanes | except when you apply it to old content, where it gets silly |
| 14:34.35 | Fisker | they could up flying mounts to 475% |
| 14:34.42 | olafski | imagine how Joe Rouge will feel when he suddenly only crits for 300 with his sinister strike! |
| 14:34.43 | nevcairiel | the DPS from beginning of wotlk scaled too much to the end |
| 14:34.46 | arkanes | 4 manned rag the other week and killed him before sons |
| 14:34.50 | nevcairiel | but they learned |
| 14:34.56 | pentium166 | old content is silly anyway, a prot warrior can solo half of it and their dps is not that high |
| 14:35.04 | Fisker | i hate their idea by scaling bosses |
| 14:35.06 | arkanes | 2 level 80s - not even amazingly geared ones - do more DPS than a well geared 40 man raid did in classic |
| 14:36.18 | arkanes | that reminds me, I should poke around at my rogue spreadsheet and have it show DPS differences in percentages |
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| 14:36.33 | Gagorian | I remember doing 700 DPS on patchwerk in classic |
| 14:36.36 | pentium166 | we also ten-manned archimonde at the end of BC in t4/badge/ZA gear |
| 14:36.42 | Gagorian | with a warlock |
| 14:38.01 | arkanes | I don't really remember how much I did in classic |
| 14:39.22 | quiescens | 100 |
| 14:39.31 | arkanes | more than that :p |
| 14:39.42 | arkanes | pretty sure I never hit 700, maybe 500 |
| 14:39.42 | quiescens | sure you did |
| 14:40.05 | arkanes | nah, I was a rogue |
| 14:40.17 | arkanes | the officially blessed Raid DPS Class(tm) |
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| 14:45.59 | nevcairiel | i dont think dps meters were big in style in classic |
| 14:46.23 | quiescens | of course not |
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| 14:46.35 | quiescens | you pulled aggro if you did more than 200 or so |
| 14:48.27 | arkanes | we had omen |
| 14:48.34 | arkanes | it was accurate enough (tm) |
| 14:49.00 | olafski | I think by the time I quit wow in vanilla, threat meters were just emerging |
| 14:49.00 | Stanzilla | more like ktm |
| 14:49.03 | arkanes | oh yes |
| 14:49.09 | arkanes | it was ktm, not omen |
| 14:49.18 | nevcairiel | we refused to use ktm back then |
| 14:49.21 | nevcairiel | it felt like cheating |
| 14:49.25 | arkanes | eh |
| 14:49.32 | olafski | threat was fun when it was guesswork :P |
| 14:49.34 | nevcairiel | dps had to l2p and not use a threat meter |
| 14:49.41 | arkanes | there's no l2p about it |
| 14:49.41 | olafski | the tank switches on huhuran.. brrr |
| 14:50.19 | nevcairiel | heh huhuran was fun |
| 14:50.25 | arkanes | there was no way you could have any information about the threat your tank was doing without the meter, it was basically wait for 5 sunders and then just go |
| 14:50.36 | arkanes | (or don't wait, sometimes) |
| 14:50.48 | arkanes | so it's not like a better rogue could watch his threat and compensate |
| 14:51.19 | arkanes | where it got tricky was fights like ony that had unusual and not well understood threat mechanics |
| 14:51.33 | arkanes | we were extremely timid with DPS on p1 ony |
| 14:51.35 | nevcairiel | ony was changed every other patch, don't you remember? |
| 14:51.36 | olafski | what do you mean aggro reset? there is no fucking aggro reset! |
| 14:51.51 | olafski | p1 = auto attack / auto shot / wand :P |
| 14:51.55 | olafski | at first anyway |
| 14:52.00 | arkanes | yeah |
| 14:52.12 | nevcairiel | back when you did ony, there were no threat meters anyway |
| 14:52.30 | arkanes | ktm existed when I did ony |
| 14:52.38 | nevcairiel | you did it late, then :d |
| 14:52.54 | arkanes | I don't think it handled the wing thing accurately though |
| 14:53.09 | arkanes | I did it before AQ |
| 14:53.21 | arkanes | not sure if I started classic raiding befor BWL or shortely after |
| 14:53.24 | nevcairiel | back then ktm didnt really account for much anyway |
| 14:53.36 | nevcairiel | it was fine for tank/spank fights |
| 14:53.45 | arkanes | I started wow at launch, then quit for a few months without raiding, then came back and started doing raiding |
| 14:54.20 | nevcairiel | I just hooked up with some raid that i saw doing azuregos, and then tagged along until we formed a guild |
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| 14:54.39 | arkanes | man I was so bad then :\ |
| 14:54.50 | arkanes | I did org pug 5 mans, so I had imp sap (!) |
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| 14:55.25 | arkanes | hooked up with some guys who were starting a new guild during a tribute run, we recruited up to 40 man size and started working on MC |
| 14:55.30 | nevcairiel | back when 5mans were actually hard :( |
| 14:55.32 | nevcairiel | miss those times |
| 14:55.48 | arkanes | we were fairly late to the game, but only 2 of our officers had ever even been in MC, and nobody had any MC gear when we started |
| 14:56.08 | arkanes | so I felt good about our progression, it's different doing that than joining a guild thats got the stuff on farm already |
| 14:56.30 | nevcairiel | back when epic items were truly epic .. a world drop you saw every blue moon, or you managed to get into MC |
| 14:56.52 | arkanes | got my perdis and my CHT in the same run |
| 14:57.04 | arkanes | love that perdi |
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| 14:57.16 | nevcairiel | yeah i basically joined the first raid guild on my server when it was formed, so short of the azuregos first, i pretty much participated in all classic first kills |
| 14:57.21 | nevcairiel | server firsts |
| 14:57.23 | nevcairiel | that was fun |
| 14:57.44 | arkanes | we spent a *lot* of time in MC |
| 14:57.52 | arkanes | because we had a lot of deadweight that held ups back in BWL |
| 14:58.15 | olafski | must've been nice to do UBRS/MC progression.. I started raiding and joined a guild that had MC on farm except for the last 2 bosses :( |
| 14:58.21 | arkanes | we killed nef the week before 2.0 landed |
| 14:58.28 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:58.42 | arkanes | then 2.0 landed, we started the raid and everyone had respecced and was messing with new talent trees |
| 14:58.45 | nevcairiel | we were biting our teeth on 4H when the expansion came |
| 14:58.47 | arkanes | raid failed hard at chromad |
| 14:58.50 | arkanes | *chromag |
| 14:59.14 | arkanes | things were said, and some people who were planning to leave left then, totally fell apart, I ended up server xferring to do my TBC leveling |
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| 15:00.17 | arkanes | I never did serious TBC raiding, I quit & came back again, joined an established guild with kara on farm but was trying to overcome the 10->25 man recruitment hump |
| 15:00.47 | nevcairiel | my guild had a hard hit in BC, the guild that was #2 in classic got the gruul first kill, and suddenly alot of people felt that we arent good enough anymore and left. sadly that were good people too, so that hit us hard |
| 15:01.00 | arkanes | we did SSC but not all the bosses, TK but not kael |
| 15:01.25 | arkanes | got like 2 bosses into hyjal, and our GM refused to try BT until 3.0 came out |
| 15:01.42 | nevcairiel | we eventually managed to kill everything short of muru/KJ pre-3.0 |
| 15:01.58 | arkanes | we could have been working on BT, our guild leader was timid though |
| 15:02.09 | arkanes | we went in after 3.0 and one shot everthing up to shazzrah |
| 15:02.21 | arkanes | and yeah, I know, nerf and all but still |
| 15:02.22 | nevcairiel | everything was so trivial with 3.0 |
| 15:02.48 | arkanes | if we could one shot it post 3.0 we could have done it with some work pre 3.0 |
| 15:02.54 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 15:03.08 | nevcairiel | BC wasnt that extremly hard |
| 15:03.11 | nevcairiel | eh |
| 15:03.12 | nevcairiel | BT |
| 15:03.34 | arkanes | ended up leaving shortly before LK launch, formed a new guild with the last 2 people I raided with back in classic, and we started our own group for lotk |
| 15:03.38 | arkanes | *wotlk |
| 15:03.40 | nevcairiel | I'm still sad that my guild finally completly died in wotlk |
| 15:03.48 | nevcairiel | been 4 years or so in that guild |
| 15:03.54 | nevcairiel | i guess more like 3 |
| 15:04.23 | arkanes | the last guy who I've been raiding with since the very beginning finally hit his burnout limit last week |
| 15:04.53 | arkanes | sadly we've been having a lot of attendance/burnout issues the last few weeks, its kept us from getting a LK kill |
| 15:05.08 | nevcairiel | I didnt bother to look for a real new guild |
| 15:05.17 | nevcairiel | i quit raiding last spring |
| 15:05.26 | olafski | join my oneman guild nevcairiel! |
| 15:05.38 | olafski | we have bank tabs and a tabard |
| 15:05.55 | nevcairiel | I'm in some casual guild now, and randomly join their 10 or 25 fail-raids |
| 15:06.09 | nevcairiel | maybe i'll try raiding with cataclysm |
| 15:06.19 | nevcairiel | 3.x kinda disappointed me anyway |
| 15:06.28 | nevcairiel | BC was more fun |
| 15:06.38 | olafski | 3.x disappointed me too.. 1.x was more fun ;) |
| 15:07.03 | nevcairiel | It was probably mainly caused by the recycled naxxramas |
| 15:07.08 | nevcairiel | i still knew the tactics by heart |
| 15:07.18 | nevcairiel | so it was boring from day 1 |
| 15:07.20 | arkanes | see, I'd never been in naxx so it was fun for me |
| 15:07.20 | olafski | me too.. for two bosses ;p |
| 15:07.31 | olafski | I did two bosses in naxx40 before I quit |
| 15:07.32 | arkanes | got old fast :\ |
| 15:07.34 | olafski | should've never returned :P |
| 15:07.49 | nevcairiel | obsidian 10man +3 was fun |
| 15:07.52 | olafski | it took my guild until like march before we killed KT |
| 15:07.56 | nevcairiel | really challenging |
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| 15:08.11 | arkanes | yeah I was the add tank in our OS stuff |
| 15:08.19 | arkanes | made me pull my hair out |
| 15:08.41 | nevcairiel | also, finally getting immortal done was a nice moment as well |
| 15:08.51 | arkanes | I still don't have immortal :( |
| 15:08.57 | arkanes | even when we had the place entirely on farm |
| 15:08.58 | nevcairiel | i dont have undying :P |
| 15:09.02 | arkanes | there'd always been something |
| 15:09.04 | arkanes | I don't have either! |
| 15:09.04 | olafski | finally killing c'thun after weeks of bugs and server lag was nice too! |
| 15:09.17 | nevcairiel | cthun was a so awesome fight back then |
| 15:09.20 | arkanes | I mean we'd clear the entire place on 25, in like 3 hours or less including loot |
| 15:09.25 | nevcairiel | something you had never seen before |
| 15:09.29 | olafski | yeah |
| 15:09.41 | arkanes | everyone knew every fight, it was all faceroll, but there'd always be someone who'd DC or something |
| 15:09.50 | nevcairiel | hehe yeah |
| 15:10.00 | nevcairiel | that happend in 10man alot |
| 15:10.04 | nevcairiel | people just got bored |
| 15:10.06 | nevcairiel | _alot_ |
| 15:10.10 | olafski | I haven't done much raiding in TBC (I think I killed the boss before illidan and tried illidan himself a couple of times).. but vanilla was much nicer imo |
| 15:10.11 | nevcairiel | so we never managed undying |
| 15:10.14 | olafski | (nicer than wotlk) |
| 15:10.41 | nevcairiel | i miss the people from vanilla or early BC |
| 15:10.54 | nevcairiel | we had such a nice community in the guild |
| 15:10.57 | arkanes | I don't miss classic raiding at all |
| 15:11.16 | arkanes | the thing I enjoyed was taking a group of people through new content, learning it together and downing it together |
| 15:11.29 | arkanes | and we still do that, and it's even more fun with 9 other people than ith 39 |
| 15:11.38 | mitch0 | I hated that part :) our raid leader was a jackass :) |
| 15:11.44 | nevcairiel | thats why i usually take the time to level to max on PTRs |
| 15:11.52 | nevcairiel | you can actually do the 5mans without *anyone* knowing wtf is going on |
| 15:12.06 | olafski | I had the best raid leader ever in vanilla.. not had one that good since then |
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| 15:12.10 | arkanes | and I really don't miss spending 2 days farming (as friggin combat daggers) to support a single night of raiding |
| 15:12.28 | olafski | hm my guild paid for my repairs in vanilla |
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| 15:12.35 | olafski | not much farming required ;) |
| 15:12.50 | olafski | and we took people on MC runs to get some money too |
| 15:12.51 | arkanes | I leveled to 80 and did all the 5 mans in brand new fresh gear, as fresh content, with the same guys I was raiding with |
| 15:12.54 | arkanes | so it worked out nice |
| 15:13.11 | nevcairiel | we did that at 70 |
| 15:13.13 | arkanes | unless they paid for your enchants and your potions and your winter squid too you still needed to farm |
| 15:13.18 | nevcairiel | with 80 alot of my old friends quit |
| 15:13.35 | olafski | just the food arkanes.. chimaerok chops |
| 15:13.36 | nevcairiel | quit during BC already, anyway |
| 15:13.44 | olafski | enchants and potions I don't remember, think I farmed the herbs for potions myself |
| 15:13.45 | arkanes | you could always tell the raiders from the casuals in classic, because the raiders were dirt broke all the time |
| 15:14.06 | olafski | not that dirt broke.. I had 2500g to spend on foror's compendium ;) |
| 15:14.18 | nevcairiel | i was running around in circles in azshara every other day to look for dreamfoil for mana potions |
| 15:14.22 | arkanes | anyway I need to get to work now |
| 15:14.34 | olafski | cya =) |
| 15:14.35 | arkanes | actually some time ago :P |
| 15:14.38 | nevcairiel | herbalism was hard without flying |
| 15:14.40 | nevcairiel | :( |
| 15:14.54 | olafski | heh |
| 15:15.04 | olafski | I ran around in STV looking for some herb |
| 15:15.05 | olafski | forgot which one |
| 15:15.06 | quiescens | l2walk |
| 15:15.12 | olafski | I think it was to make nature protection potions |
| 15:15.28 | olafski | and in felwood for whipper root tubers |
| 15:15.33 | nevcairiel | heh yeah |
| 15:15.42 | nevcairiel | until they put them on the same cooldown with something else or so |
| 15:15.51 | olafski | if you were farming them alone you could just make a nice round through felwood before they respawns |
| 15:15.54 | krka | herbalism is awesome as druid with flightform |
| 15:15.54 | olafski | respawned* |
| 15:16.05 | olafski | so I hear.. shame my druid is a miner |
| 15:16.06 | nevcairiel | krka: was even more so in BC when you didnt have to land |
| 15:16.09 | nevcairiel | that was awesome |
| 15:16.23 | nevcairiel | could hover over an enemy and herb under his nose |
| 15:16.25 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 15:17.55 | krka | you barely have to land now either |
| 15:18.03 | krka | just touch the ground |
| 15:18.17 | nevcairiel | yeah but stuff still aggros you if it sits on top of the plant |
| 15:18.33 | nevcairiel | so you better wear some haste to make herbing faster ;) |
| 15:18.44 | krka | true |
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| 15:24.58 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 15:27.02 | koaschten | http://www.engadget.com/photos/razer-deathadder-left-hand-edition/ |
| 15:29.33 | pentium166 | i want cheaper versions of the mx revolution :( |
| 15:29.45 | pentium166 | which i think have been replaced by mice with less buttons. |
| 15:30.15 | genetik- | i like my lachesis |
| 15:31.35 | olafski | the mx revolution isn't that expensive is it? |
| 15:32.02 | koaschten | i switched from a mx1000 to a m$ X8 i won, not a bad change |
| 15:32.31 | olafski | I went from mx1000 to mx revolution.. both were nice |
| 15:32.41 | olafski | think the revolution is about 50 euro, a good price for a mouse imo :) |
| 15:33.24 | pentium166 | i went from mx1000 to revolution too, and then bought a second revolution because i wore out the tilt buttons on the first one :( |
| 15:34.01 | sb|work | mx1000 -> revo -> mx1100 :o |
| 15:34.28 | pentium166 | i don't think the 1100 has the same mumber of buttons, and i use all of them for wow |
| 15:35.14 | olafski | what's a tilt button? |
| 15:35.29 | olafski | the scrollwheel which you can push to the side? |
| 15:35.43 | pentium166 | yeah |
| 15:36.14 | pentium166 | i dunno what the actual term for it is |
| 15:36.37 | olafski | you use that? |
| 15:36.41 | olafski | I find it terribly annoying |
| 15:36.59 | olafski | makes the scrollwheel feel less stable if you want to use it as a button.. which I've stopped doing, I just use it to scroll now |
| 15:37.48 | nevcairiel | i've never liked pusing the scrollwheel |
| 15:37.53 | nevcairiel | *pushing |
| 15:38.00 | pentium166 | i use the search button as my middle mouse button and the scroll wheel just switches the microgear thing |
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| 15:47.05 | olafski | on my old intelliexplorer R3 it worked fine nevcairiel :( |
| 15:52.21 | Kalroth | same here, nev - I always end up switching weapon |
| 15:54.06 | olafski | I only used the middle button in CS.. to throw a grenade I think |
| 15:54.22 | olafski | no trouble switching weapons there ;p |
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| 15:55.37 | olafski | (I don't switch weapons with the scroll wheel, my controls are a bit non standard in fps games :P) |
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| 16:21.25 | Repo | 10ora3: 03StingerSoft * r422 locales/ruRU.lua: ruRU update |
| 16:21.56 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic 04v1.2 * r35 : (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 16:21.58 | Repo | Tagging as v1.2 |
| 16:21.59 | Repo | - Fixed problem where a time of -1 was being displayed |
| 16:22.01 | Repo | - The Blizzard style tooltip should now hide properly on mouse out |
| 16:22.02 | Repo | - Time in queue displayed as text (Yssaril) |
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| 16:30.32 | Megalon | LG Electronics has agreed to compensate potentially thousands of consumers after two of its fridges - models L197NFS and P197WFS - were found to contain an illegal device that activates an energy-saving mode when it detects room conditions similar to those in a test laboratory. |
| 16:30.34 | Megalon | haha, way to go |
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| 16:33.02 | olafski | an illegal device? oO |
| 16:34.01 | KriLL3 | well it's illegal to tamper with test results |
| 16:34.50 | KriLL3 | the fridge does it's utmost to try and save energy if it thinks you're a lab checking the power consumption |
| 16:35.00 | Primer | its |
| 16:35.12 | olafski | its? |
| 16:35.16 | Primer | yes |
| 16:35.22 | Primer | its is already possessive |
| 16:35.24 | olafski | I would say "it's" |
| 16:35.26 | KriLL3 | same as Nvidia and ATi "optimized" their drivers for 3D Mark, removing effects etc to boost FPS |
| 16:35.33 | Primer | it's == it is ONLY |
| 16:35.40 | olafski | primer: he was trying to say "it is" >_< |
| 16:35.41 | Primer | go look it up |
| 16:35.43 | KriLL3 | ATi killed the fog in one scene etc |
| 16:35.54 | olafski | oh |
| 16:35.55 | Primer | olafski: negative |
| 16:35.57 | KriLL3 | olafski: no I did a typo |
| 16:36.07 | olafski | well in the first line you said it is :P |
| 16:36.13 | KriLL3 | sorry, coffee hasn't kicked in yet |
| 16:36.23 | Primer | same here |
| 16:36.33 | KriLL3 | and English isn't my native language |
| 16:36.37 | Primer | KriLL3: heh I still make that mistake all the time |
| 16:36.45 | KriLL3 | and no me being 1/4 British doesn't count |
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| 16:41.07 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r460 modules/CastBar.lua: |
| 16:41.09 | Repo | - hopefully fix a bug where the cast bar could sometimes try to access nil |
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| 16:46.28 | Primer | How far should one go to "make local" things that could potentially slow things down? For example, should I NOT access MyAddon.db.profile.some_var in an OnUpdate that runs very frequently? |
| 16:47.43 | Primer | Should I make a local variable, then call MyObj:SetThatVariable(), which sets a local copy of the profile variable, from the config's set function? |
| 16:49.59 | Primer | One would think that the interpreter would just put a pointer there, and not do a table lookup every time (As I've been lead to believe it would) |
| 16:51.13 | Primer | Same thing for global functions |
| 16:51.16 | arkanes_ | I don't see how MyObj:SetThatVariable comes into the equation |
| 16:51.34 | Primer | arkanes_: I'm trying to understand |
| 16:51.46 | Primer | arkanes_: I've been told that table lookups are expensive |
| 16:52.37 | Primer | I'm just trying to minimize potentially expensive operations |
| 16:52.47 | quiescens | o.o |
| 16:52.54 | Primer | quiescens: you keep doing that |
| 16:52.59 | Primer | I'm just trying to learn |
| 16:53.43 | Primer | I look at other people's addons and I see shit like this: |
| 16:53.46 | arkanes_ | well, measure it |
| 16:53.57 | Primer | local GetPlayerFacing = GetPlayerFacing |
| 16:53.58 | arkanes_ | micro-optimization is a silly thing to do |
| 16:54.12 | Primer | and wonder "Is the lua interpreter THAT bad?" |
| 16:54.16 | arkanes_ | I suspect that a local lookup is faster than a global in lua |
| 16:54.26 | arkanes_ | it's not question of being bad, its about the lookup model |
| 16:54.34 | arkanes_ | on the other hand, doing that also grows your local namespace |
| 16:54.39 | Primer | Why must it be looked up at all? |
| 16:54.44 | arkanes_ | because it can change |
| 16:54.49 | arkanes_ | lua is a dynamic language |
| 16:55.38 | arkanes_ | the speed difference is very small, though |
| 16:55.42 | Primer | meaning you could run: function GetPlayerFacing() return nil end in a global context and change it? |
| 16:55.48 | Primer | at runtime? |
| 16:55.54 | arkanes_ | yes |
| 16:55.55 | Primer | (I know this to be true, btw) |
| 16:56.16 | arkanes_ | thats why the first thing you should do is to make your addon work |
| 16:56.23 | Primer | that it does |
| 16:56.26 | arkanes_ | then you can measure the parts that are slow, and change things around |
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| 16:56.45 | arkanes_ | moving global lookups to local ones are low hanging fruit, they're easy to do but unlikely to make noticable changes |
| 16:57.23 | Primer | so what about said deep.in.a.table lookup on an OnUpdate that runs on every frame?> |
| 16:58.06 | arkanes_ | what about it? |
| 16:58.29 | Primer | just wondering about it |
| 16:58.40 | Primer | if that lookup is potentially expensive |
| 16:58.40 | arkanes_ | if you only access it once, caching won't help |
| 16:58.47 | Primer | err |
| 16:59.01 | Primer | it's in an OnUpdate that runs every frame... |
| 16:59.04 | Primer | that's the point |
| 16:59.05 | arkanes_ | once in that function |
| 16:59.22 | Primer | yes, it's only accessed once in the function |
| 16:59.32 | arkanes_ | then copying it into a local won't make it any faster |
| 16:59.55 | Primer | but isn't a "table lookup" done on every frame? |
| 16:59.57 | arkanes_ | if you want to copy it into your addon object because you want to do less indirections, now you have a quandry |
| 17:00.16 | arkanes_ | do you have any idea how much stuff your computer does every frame? |
| 17:00.25 | Primer | I imagine it's quite a bit |
| 17:00.36 | Primer | I'm honestly surprised how much, in fact |
| 17:00.38 | arkanes_ | removing a single table lookup isn't going to matter |
| 17:01.03 | arkanes_ | what I meant by caching tehre is something like local x = big.long.lookup |
| 17:01.21 | arkanes_ | if x is only used once, having it in the local won't be faster and may in fact be slower |
| 17:01.45 | arkanes_ | now, if you do something like cache big.long.lookup in yuor addon table so you only do 2 lookups instead of 4 to find it, that might be faster |
| 17:02.07 | arkanes_ | but now you have more problems. You're doing real caching, so you need a real cache invalidation policy. |
| 17:02.26 | arkanes_ | in the worst case, you end up re-creating all the existing profile infastructure in your app |
| 17:02.36 | arkanes_ | you're also making your addon object bigger |
| 17:03.28 | Primer | guess I shouldn't worry about it |
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| 17:03.51 | arkanes_ | thinking about it is fine, worrying about it is unneccesary |
| 17:04.15 | arkanes_ | as with all performance questions, the real answer is "measure it and find out" |
| 17:04.16 | Primer | My other addon has had reports of causing people's 25 man raids to be slow |
| 17:04.28 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03s80953241 * r281 LibPeriodicTable-3.1-InstanceLoot/LibPeriodicTable-3.1-InstanceLoot.lua: Update Data |
| 17:04.43 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03s80953241 * r7445 Citadel/Locales/zhTW.lua: zhTW update |
| 17:04.47 | Primer | I think I've identified that problem though |
| 17:04.50 | arkanes_ | people say lots of things |
| 17:04.54 | arkanes_ | usually its lies |
| 17:05.05 | arkanes_ | but even then - measure it and find out |
| 17:05.36 | Primer | How exactly would you measure it? Add some sort of timer to the onupdate? |
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| 17:05.59 | Primer | actually, in the case of my other addon, it's supposedly the UNIT_AURA handler |
| 17:05.59 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 17:06.30 | Primer | since I still have to actually check buffs to determine some mounts |
| 17:06.35 | Primer | I wonder if that's changed... |
| 17:06.35 | arkanes_ | adding a timer is about the best yuo can do, yes |
| 17:07.08 | arkanes_ | Primer: whats your other addon do? |
| 17:09.05 | arkanes_ | UNIT_AURA is probably not something you care about unless you're writing raid frames |
| 17:09.13 | Primer | arkanes: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/flight-hud.aspx |
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| 17:09.55 | Primer | except it's the only way |
| 17:10.00 | arkanes_ | but its not |
| 17:10.07 | arkanes_ | you want to know when someone mounts, right? |
| 17:10.21 | Primer | http://ceregatti.org/svnweb/index.cgi/flight-hud/view/trunk/FlightHUD.lua |
| 17:10.29 | Primer | I've done my due diligence :) |
| 17:10.38 | Primer | look for "noncompanionmounts" |
| 17:10.52 | Primer | err "noncompanion" |
| 17:11.08 | Primer | druid forms I now know I could get with an event |
| 17:11.13 | Primer | but the other ones...nope |
| 17:11.25 | Primer | seasonal mounts, and the headless horseman don't work |
| 17:11.56 | arkanes_ | ah well I see one immediate problem with your unit_aura |
| 17:12.06 | Primer | please, do tell |
| 17:12.15 | arkanes_ | you're not taking fast exit paths |
| 17:12.27 | arkanes_ | you get UNIT_AURA for any unit around you |
| 17:12.35 | arkanes_ | and you're not exiting if its not the player |
| 17:13.08 | Primer | err, you mean it fires for everyone in a raid? |
| 17:13.14 | arkanes_ | and enemies |
| 17:13.17 | arkanes_ | everyone |
| 17:13.23 | Primer | wow, wtf |
| 17:13.43 | arkanes_ | also AceEvent has its own bucketing code that yuo probably want to use instead of your hand rolled stuff |
| 17:14.12 | Primer | what do you mean? for handling frames? |
| 17:14.22 | Primer | the creation of reusing of frames, that is |
| 17:14.26 | arkanes_ | you've got throttling on your UNIT_AURA |
| 17:14.32 | Primer | s/of/and/ |
| 17:14.34 | arkanes_ | where you only process it ever so often |
| 17:14.45 | arkanes_ | AceEvent has that built in |
| 17:14.50 | Primer | that's untagged code |
| 17:15.00 | Primer | I've found that it breaks functionality |
| 17:15.03 | arkanes_ | well |
| 17:15.08 | arkanes_ | all the more reason to use AceEvents |
| 17:15.08 | Primer | I'll be stripping that soon |
| 17:15.46 | Primer | Can't I just filter for player UNIT_AURA and leave it at that? |
| 17:16.08 | arkanes_ | maybe |
| 17:16.18 | arkanes_ | I was assuming you wanted the bucketing |
| 17:16.46 | Primer | still not sure what you mean by that |
| 17:17.45 | arkanes_ | "bucketing" means that it'll group up events so when you get 100 UNIT_AURA events per second, it'll only end up sending you one |
| 17:17.51 | arkanes_ | its what the code you have there tries to implement |
| 17:18.04 | Primer | oh, forget about that |
| 17:18.09 | Primer | the throttling |
| 17:18.21 | Primer | it seems the bottleneck is trying to handle non-player auras |
| 17:18.32 | Primer | as long as I can filter for that, I'm sure it'll be fine |
| 17:19.38 | arkanes_ | you probaly just want PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED anyway |
| 17:19.38 | Primer | all I need are my auras |
| 17:19.45 | Primer | perfect! |
| 17:19.46 | arkanes_ | oh nm its gone |
| 17:19.51 | Primer | crap |
| 17:19.59 | arkanes_ | UNIT_AURA with a filter is the correct thing, I guess |
| 17:20.09 | Primer | now to figure out how to filter for player |
| 17:20.22 | Gagorian | if arg1 == "player" then |
| 17:20.38 | Primer | hehe I had tentatively written that in as a placeholder! |
| 17:21.20 | arkanes_ | you probably want to use FlightHUD.GetFrom |
| 17:21.51 | arkanes_ | although I don't really think that will matter |
| 17:22.28 | Primer | that only changes the pitch detection to shift from player to a vehicle when you enter a vehicle |
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| 17:25.35 | asmodai | nevcairiel: heh, exact same problem with the downloader again |
| 17:25.50 | nevcairiel | it never changed, it still launches everytime |
| 17:26.00 | asmodai | nevcairiel: well for me I mean |
| 17:26.01 | nevcairiel | even when its done downloading |
| 17:26.13 | asmodai | nevcairiel: it worked a-ok before, just since the last download and this :| |
| 17:26.14 | nevcairiel | launch wow, that thing starts and sits there :d |
| 17:26.31 | nevcairiel | i wonder why they even do it for a tiny patch like this |
| 17:26.49 | asmodai | "It's useful." |
| 17:27.03 | quiescens | moo |
| 17:27.12 | quiescens | o.o |
| 17:29.07 | pompy | lol wow, that guy changed his user name |
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| 17:30.32 | Repo | 10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r276 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: |
| 17:30.34 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
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| 17:30.48 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
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| 17:30.58 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
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| 17:31.12 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
| 17:31.14 | arkanes_ | can anyone confirm or deny if the raidwall effect from divine sacrifice stacks? |
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| 17:35.36 | Primer | arkanes_: thanks for the help |
| 17:35.39 | Primer | Gagorian: you too |
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| 17:44.58 | Pneumatus | Ackis: s8* appears to have dicked with PT3 again |
| 17:45.13 | pompy | yeah he changed his user name |
| 17:45.18 | Pneumatus | zzz |
| 17:46.29 | quiescens | o.O |
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| 17:47.28 | nevcairiel | to what? |
| 17:47.43 | pompy | what hes commiting as right now |
| 17:47.48 | Pneumatus | +1 |
| 17:47.49 | pompy | s80953241 |
| 17:47.50 | nevcairiel | and what was it before? :P |
| 17:47.53 | Pneumatus | -1 |
| 17:47.53 | pompy | s809532 |
| 17:47.58 | pompy | s8095324 |
| 17:48.00 | nevcairiel | maybe its another guy? :d |
| 17:48.07 | pompy | lol what are the chances |
| 17:48.09 | nevcairiel | cant just change user names |
| 17:48.14 | Pneumatus | created a new one, id guess |
| 17:48.15 | pompy | well made a new one |
| 17:48.20 | Pneumatus | because ackis banned the old one |
| 17:48.31 | Pneumatus | because he was messing with the generated PT3 sets |
| 17:48.41 | nevcairiel | so just re-regenerate |
| 17:48.53 | nevcairiel | and he'll see what he gets from it :d |
| 18:15.48 | Repo | 10memento-mori: 03tomsommer * r42 MementoMori.toc: Bump TOC |
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| 18:27.30 | koaschten | awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32vpgNiAH60 |
| 18:27.43 | koaschten | piano improvisation on chatroulette |
| 18:28.09 | onaforeignshore | anyone have any idea when they are going to sort out that irritating LibWho-2.0 popping up the Who window? |
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| 18:28.39 | haste | when you patch it |
| 18:31.28 | Pneumatus | what even uses it? |
| 18:32.17 | Gnarfoz | who even cares? |
| 18:32.46 | haste | onaforeignshore does apparantly |
| 18:33.22 | onaforeignshore | unfortunately WIM uses it |
| 18:33.29 | Pneumatus | the only addon that uses it thats used by more than about 4 people appears to be WiM |
| 18:33.30 | onaforeignshore | and I hate Cellular |
| 18:33.33 | Pneumatus | and wim is shit |
| 18:33.34 | Pneumatus | so |
| 18:33.47 | onaforeignshore | any other suggestions for me? |
| 18:34.24 | Pneumatus | popup chat windows sounds like the most annoying thing known to man, with the possible exception of gearscore |
| 18:34.52 | onaforeignshore | it's a single popup window with tabs enabled and it's very useful |
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| 18:37.48 | koaschten | Pneumatus its actually the only way i dont get lost within like 5 concurrent whispers |
| 18:38.11 | koaschten | i grew up with icq, i am used to that way of chatting |
| 18:38.13 | koaschten | :/ |
| 18:38.55 | onaforeignshore | it's very similar to most messengers these days |
| 18:40.25 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: awesome |
| 18:40.43 | Mikk | Pneumatus: lmao " with the possible exception of gearscore " =) |
| 18:40.54 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik * r2600 Locales/constants.de.lua: deDE update |
| 18:43.19 | arkanes_ | gearscore ranks right up there with the invention of the pneumatic toothpuller/branding torch in humanities worst moments |
| 18:44.07 | arkanes_ | is the author of gearscore a worse human than hitler? Find out tonight on Fox news |
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| 19:15.31 | NeoTron | GS is pretty awesome if you don't pretend it's something it's not |
| 19:15.48 | NeoTron | I mean it's bad to use as a measurement of "is his gear good or not" but it's good to measure general gear level |
| 19:16.09 | NeoTron | with the assumption that the gear is appropriate. and ofc it doesn't measure skill at all :P |
| 19:29.42 | Primer | NeoTron: I find GS useful |
| 19:29.59 | Primer | I know not to even bother inspecting someone with GS < 5k for an ICC 25 pug, for example |
| 19:32.10 | Repo | 10vendorreward: 03Mecdemort * r4 .pkgmeta: Fix typo in package name. Ticket 1 |
| 19:32.28 | SunTsu | Primer: I find it useful as well, I can identify pugs I don't want to join by them asking for GS |
| 19:33.24 | Primer | I don't ask for GS. I always inspect people before running a pug |
| 19:33.40 | Primer | but now I can save time by simply hovering over them and going "Sorry" |
| 19:34.05 | Repo | 10vendorreward: 03Mecdemort * r5 VendorReward.lua: Spelling fail |
| 19:34.13 | SunTsu | Primer: I was serious. As soon as any pug is looking for people or asks me for GS before joinimg I turn them down |
| 19:34.33 | Primer | oh, I see what you meant |
| 19:34.34 | Primer | yeah |
| 19:34.37 | Primer | I don't ask for GS |
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| 19:34.47 | Primer | nor do I provide it when trying to join a pug |
| 19:34.53 | Primer | I don't provide achievements either |
| 19:35.04 | Primer | I just tell them "Don't you know who I am?!?" |
| 19:35.16 | SunTsu | Primer: yeah, that's the difference between you and those pugs |
| 19:35.24 | SunTsu | .o0( at least that ) |
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| 19:40.39 | NivFreak | I just go: <-- niv |
| 19:40.41 | NivFreak | it works |
| 19:40.43 | NivFreak | sadlyt |
| 19:41.17 | NivFreak | all that time invested on the bank steps clearly |
| 19:41.19 | Primer | I don't really tell them that |
| 19:42.08 | Primer | "LFM 25 VoA, pst GS and achieve" |
| 19:42.11 | Primer | "I'll go" |
| 19:42.16 | Primer | "GS and achieve, please" |
| 19:42.18 | Primer | "no" |
| 19:42.31 | Primer | is usually how it goes |
| 19:42.40 | genetik- | that's dumb |
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| 19:43.20 | SunTsu | I just don't join them. If leader is as dumb as judging players by GS I don't want to be lead by him |
| 19:47.34 | genetik- | reverse judging! |
| 19:47.37 | genetik- | heh |
| 19:49.07 | SunTsu | genetik-: even GS can be used wisely, but everybody who asks for GS aloud does not seem to be doing so :> |
| 19:49.12 | Primer | well, I only whisper them to troll them |
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| 19:49.25 | Primer | because I know they're going to ask for GS and/or achieve |
| 19:49.31 | Primer | and I'll not provide either |
| 19:49.49 | genetik- | SunTsu: oh, don't get me wrong.. i hate it. i've never and will never use any gearscore type addon |
| 19:50.27 | Primer | perhaps there should be a skillscore addon |
| 19:50.35 | genetik- | impossible |
| 19:50.42 | Primer | where you're asked to rate players at the end of instances and raids |
| 19:50.57 | Primer | and that db is shared with others that have the addon |
| 19:51.34 | SunTsu | Primer: you mean, the way ElitistGroups works? |
| 19:51.44 | Primer | oh, never heard of that! |
| 19:51.52 | Primer | rapidly installs it |
| 19:52.08 | Primer | oh, crap |
| 19:52.24 | Primer | [daniel@dano ~]$ curseclient |
| 19:52.24 | Primer | -bash: curseclient: command not found |
| 19:52.32 | Primer | oh well |
| 19:52.43 | Neurox | bit of a question regarding aceconfig/gui, I have an options page how could I get a section on that page that I can update with info when the other controls on the page are altered, the section isn't any of the predefined types I think I just want a list of info in it but I'm not seeing a way to do that |
| 19:53.23 | SunTsu | Primer: it inspects people, rates their equipment in a smart way, if you want it to, knowing about gems, enchantments and stuff, and gives you an rating window at the end of the instance, where you comment and rate the people in your group/raid |
| 19:53.39 | Primer | nice |
| 19:53.45 | Primer | I'm seriously going to install it |
| 19:53.55 | SunTsu | yeah, as I put it to friends: GearScore done right |
| 19:53.57 | Primer | last night I had a kick ass daily random |
| 19:54.15 | ckknight | ElitistGroup is awesome |
| 19:54.15 | SunTsu | @describe ElitistGroups |
| 19:54.17 | Repo | SunTsu: No project found that matches 'elitistgroups' |
| 19:54.20 | SunTsu | @describe ElitistGroup |
| 19:54.22 | Repo | SunTsu: http://www.wowace.com/addons/elitistgroup/. Elitist Group. Provides quick access to information on your group and their gear/enchant/gem choices |
| 19:54.32 | SunTsu | ckknight: Full ACK |
| 19:54.54 | ckknight | SunTsu: ? |
| 19:55.00 | ckknight | SYN |
| 19:55.11 | Primer | RST |
| 19:55.47 | SunTsu | ckknight: You don't know "Full ACK"? "Total agreement" |
| 19:55.58 | ckknight | don't know what that is |
| 19:56.19 | onaforeignshore | old comm cable signals |
| 19:56.32 | onaforeignshore | ACKnowledge, SYNchronise, ReSeT |
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| 19:58.54 | SunTsu | ckknight: sort of usenet slang, ACK as in acknowledgement, I acknowledge your point and therefore agree with it |
| 19:58.56 | Mec | Is it possible to set how many lines a multiline input field has with ace-config-3? |
| 20:03.13 | Arrowmaster | Neurox: what kinda info do you want in that section? |
| 20:05.38 | Funkeh` | http://sites.amd.com/us/underground/tips/Pages/catalyst-10-3-preview.aspx |
| 20:07.08 | Neurox | a list of info really |
| 20:07.36 | Neurox | err |
| 20:07.37 | Neurox | text |
| 20:07.39 | Neurox | about characters |
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| 20:31.41 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Actually a line setting would be really useful for the multi-line edit box. We've had complaints that it's too small for the DogTag/LuaText entries in PB4. I just haven't gotten around to dealing with it. |
| 20:32.12 | Arrowmaster | whats that have to do with me? |
| 20:32.25 | Shadowed | you mean nevcairiel? |
| 20:32.35 | Shadowed | nevcairiel is the one we harass about ace3 |
| 20:32.36 | Arrowmaster | Neurox: there is a description type i think that kinda works like a SimpleHTML widget |
| 20:33.04 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: oops, saw you reply after someone asked about that and thought you were replying to them when you asked what they wanted it for. |
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| 20:42.43 | Neurox | Can you change its content whenever you want though? I thought that once it was set when the table was registered that was it |
| 20:42.58 | Arrowmaster | im not sure |
| 20:43.15 | Arrowmaster | i dont really see why not though |
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| 21:04.51 | Repo | Fix initialization issue with missing icons. Needs some followup. |
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| 21:42.55 | kagaro | ok nev gathermate_data has been switched back to wowhead |
| 21:44.18 | koaschten_ | the amount of stupid tickets on the CC tracker is mindboggling |
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| 22:00.50 | Neurox | Arrow I dont see anyway to either change the content through ace, or get the object reference to change it manually |
| 22:17.10 | Arrowmaster | just edit the value in the table |
| 22:19.45 | Neurox | But that won't change the value on the object |
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| 22:30.58 | Connor1 | Should I start playing wow on retail? |
| 22:31.18 | Connor1 | I originally started on a private server to get a feel for the game, but never started playing on retail. |
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| 22:44.01 | Groktar | is looking forward to the battle of gnomeregan |
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| 22:45.24 | Groktar | slaps comcast around with fisker |
| 22:45.57 | Fisker | Groktar |
| 22:46.27 | Groktar | no |
| 22:46.29 | Groktar | fisker comcast |
| 22:46.54 | Torhal | Connor1: You're not getting a feel for the game. |
| 22:47.00 | Connor1 | How so? |
| 22:47.34 | Torhal | Because private servers can't replicate what a team of game designers can do. |
| 22:47.43 | Connor1 | o |
| 22:48.00 | Connor1 | They can script bosses and quests though, but not to that of retail. |
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| 22:48.32 | Torhal | shrugs. "You asked if you should play retail. I'm telling you why you should." |
| 22:48.57 | Torhal | And if you wanted to get a feel for the game, that's what the 10-day trial is for. |
| 22:49.06 | Connor1 | Didn't think to do the trial. |
| 22:49.25 | Connor1 | That and a friend said I should play wow and he told me the private server he played on |
| 22:50.02 | Connor1 | I might go to retail when cataclysm arrives though. |
| 22:52.10 | Arrowmaster | Neurox: it should once you call the function to refresh the gui from the table |
| 22:54.12 | Neurox | I just the moment found NotifyChange :p |
| 22:54.30 | Neurox | thanks for your help arrow |
| 23:01.06 | Repo | 10joustdoit: 03x87bliss * r11 / (6 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 23:01.08 | Repo | !!NEW PHRASES NEED TRANSLATION PLEASE!! |
| 23:01.09 | Repo | Fixed: A function intended to run once at login was running after every loading screen. |
| 23:01.10 | Repo | Fixed: When leaving a vehicle, only queue swapping to weapons if a lance is equipped. |
| 23:01.11 | Repo | Fixed: No longer queue swapping to a lance - when you need a lance you need it NAO!!! |
| 23:02.31 | Repo | 10joustdoit: 03x87bliss 04v3.3.2.5 * r12 : Tagging as v3.3.2.5 |
| 23:08.38 | Repo | 10lil-sparkys-workshop: 03lilsparky * r86 / (8 files in 3 directories): updated for 3.3 |
| 23:08.40 | Repo | remined data for latest rates |
| 23:08.41 | Repo | fixed vellums on staff enchants |
| 23:08.42 | Repo | added mrtrader frame support |
| 23:10.43 | Superfly_ | does anyone have vbm? |
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