| 00:01.03 | orionshock | sylvanaar, ping, anyway to get the tab-name-complete module to not include the server name? |
| 00:01.39 | sylvanaar | er |
| 00:04.19 | orionshock | also cross-realm names don't color right |
| 00:04.40 | sylvanaar | where |
| 00:04.57 | orionshock | when typed out |
| 00:05.35 | sylvanaar | i really havent looked at tab complete that much since they added it to the default ui, but i'll try and take a look |
| 00:06.01 | orionshock | when they talk it colors it right and colors the realm randomly correctly. but when tab completed it adds the realm name but dosn't capitilize the realm properly and dosn't color |
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| 00:06.56 | sylvanaar | yeah, that makes sense sorta |
| 00:08.14 | sylvanaar | its not actually supposed to be storing class data on x-realm people |
| 00:08.39 | sylvanaar | maybe now it should i guess |
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| 00:10.25 | orionshock | why? you can pull the class out of the GUID in the chat event |
| 00:14.55 | sylvanaar | i guess i do that already looks like...must be some capitalization thing |
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| 00:18.41 | Mokhtar | Someone knows how I can take over Acheron ? Knowledge Base asks to file a report but if it is a feature I cannot find it |
| 00:18.58 | Mokhtar | Nickodemus left wow a while back :x |
| 00:19.57 | sylvanaar | orionshock: it looks something like Name-someserver |
| 00:20.01 | orionshock | yes |
| 00:20.38 | orionshock | @wine/linux players -- anyone updated to the latest nvidia drivers noticing wow using ~100% CPU in combat or moving? |
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| 00:27.23 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.wowace.com/announcements/nvidia-users-roll-back-from-196-75-drivers/ |
| 00:28.45 | BWMerlin | i dont seem to be able to import my private key into pageant key list keep getting an error message "couldn't load this key (OpenSSH SSH-2 Public key) |
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| 00:47.07 | sylvanaar | im a little rusty, what makes the bliz tab complete start working again? |
| 00:47.26 | Funkeh` | why wouldn't it be working |
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| 00:54.01 | sylvanaar | sometimes the blizz tab complete responds to the tab, sometimes its prat's |
| 00:54.52 | sylvanaar | i'll guess and say, one of them tries to match and fails and falls back to the other |
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| 01:04.36 | Killmore | new wave of nerf/hotfix |
| 01:04.37 | Killmore | http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23425638763-23425638763.html |
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| 01:14.57 | sylvanaar | this is a pain to test |
| 01:15.25 | sylvanaar | now i have deserter |
| 01:16.17 | sylvanaar | i see tab complete works ourside of groups |
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| 01:21.15 | sylvanaar | orionshock: well, i made some progress. its a bigger job that it seems. remind me again and ill do it this weekend |
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| 02:27.43 | orionshock | @ who ever posted the new announcement... had same issues on ubuntu as noted in the source threads... reverted to previous version and it is all fine now thx :) |
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| 05:30.16 | Zyn | then ... THE WORLD |
| 05:32.48 | Groktar | :p |
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| 07:18.54 | starlon | Where does the Addons panel in the Interface dialog come from? Is that Ace? |
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| 07:21.13 | starlon | Looks like AceConfigDialog, guess I'm doing something wrong. |
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| 07:35.34 | nevcairiel | it doesn't magically appear in there, you have to add instruct it to add it there |
| 07:37.19 | starlon | yeah I forgot I had set it up to only add it if the dialog was resizable. |
| 07:38.14 | starlon | I'm not sure why I did that :) Seems fine without it. |
| 07:38.36 | starlon | just picked this up again after a long break. |
| 07:41.31 | Repo | 10debuff-alarm: 03starlon * r72 / (5 files in 2 directories): DebuffAlarm: |
| 07:41.33 | Repo | - Embed everything that's needed. |
| 07:41.34 | Repo | - Add config dialog. |
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| 07:46.43 | orionshock | ok while i can appreciate the eleggance of ChatThrottleLib, is there a simple answer of how much addon traffic your can thoughput before being disconnected? |
| 07:50.04 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Chatthrottlelib#Notes_on_outbound_rate :P |
| 07:57.22 | orionshock | this is kind of odd... |
| 07:58.03 | orionshock | http://paste.wowace.com/1785/ |
| 07:58.48 | orionshock | after ~5mins of letting it run the onUpdate then Hiding the frame, with in about 3mins my fps droped to less than 20 hard |
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| 08:01.38 | nevcairiel | at 60fps you would be sending 15300 cps, CTL will have alot of traffic scheduled and take quite a while to send all your data |
| 08:02.22 | orionshock | well that i understand, but after 3 mins of sending queued data it killed the FPS to a hard 20 and diped as low as 12 |
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| 08:03.24 | nevcairiel | CTL has a limit of 20fps, if your game goes below it, it'll slow down sending of stuff |
| 08:03.31 | nevcairiel | but not sure if it would really slow you down that much |
| 08:03.41 | nevcairiel | ask Mikk |
| 08:03.43 | orionshock | bout to find out |
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| 08:30.20 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r215 / (16 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 08:30.22 | Repo | *3.02.35 (05-MAR-2010)* |
| 08:30.23 | Repo | * fixed - invalid code in options table for /rules/border/offset |
| 08:30.25 | Repo | * fixed - dragging an item while the cursor is in target mode (blue glowing hand) would cause a blocked action warning. dragging is now disabled while in target mode. |
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| 08:34.33 | Repo | *3.02.35 (05-MAR-2010)* |
| 08:34.35 | Repo | * fixed - invalid code in options table for /rules/border/offset |
| 08:34.36 | Repo | * fixed - dragging an item while the cursor is in target mode (blue glowing hand) would cause a blocked action warning. dragging is now disabled while in target mode. |
| 08:34.37 | Repo | * changed - default order for rules changed from 0 to 100 |
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| 09:02.19 | Thadius | does anyone have any idea why omen would work on two of three realms but not on another ? i've reinstalled it manually and through curse, reset addon settings, deleted cache/wtf and still no luck |
| 09:03.02 | Wobin | is your combat log working? |
| 09:03.09 | asmodai | http://starcraft.incgamers.com/blog/comments/nvidia-19675-drivers-starcraft-ii-beta-rip-pc-graphic-cards |
| 09:03.10 | nevcairiel | that realm it doesnt work on wouldnt happen to a private server, would it? :d |
| 09:03.20 | Thadius | no, nevcairiel. |
| 09:03.35 | Thadius | combat log is fine |
| 09:03.44 | Thadius | it's Aman'thul |
| 09:03.46 | asmodai | So be careful with updating your NVidia drivers |
| 09:04.03 | nevcairiel | asmodai: i still don't believe that a card just dies. they have safe guards against overheating |
| 09:04.05 | Thadius | it works fine on Dath'Remar and Saurfang |
| 09:04.47 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Yeah well, can't hurt to be prudent |
| 09:05.20 | Thadius | anything comparable to omen out ther e? |
| 09:05.31 | Thadius | i'm a tank, so i kinda need it :( |
| 09:05.41 | nevcairiel | if omen doesnt work, its usually just a sign that the threat event doesnt fire |
| 09:05.52 | nevcairiel | which means something on the server is broken |
| 09:06.09 | Thadius | so it would be similar for others then i'm guessing |
| 09:06.26 | Thadius | unless it's server-side cache/settings for me that's broken |
| 09:06.26 | nevcairiel | asmodai: i played WoW with that driver yesterday, and i went to 60C tops |
| 09:07.08 | nevcairiel | but hey, nvidia pulled the driver too, so people can't upgrade anymore :D |
| 09:08.02 | orionshock | Thadius, Omen is fine, what is it not doing? |
| 09:09.17 | KriLL3 | I thought omen was mostly redundant now? |
| 09:09.33 | KriLL3 | I use pitbull's threat bar and treat plates |
| 09:10.32 | nevcairiel | it just depends how you want the information to be presented |
| 09:10.49 | nevcairiel | i dont like UF integration, and nameplates are not visible on big mobs |
| 09:10.50 | Thadius | showing at all, orionshock |
| 09:11.04 | orionshock | ... omen is no longer what i was, that is something that used a bit of CPU to guess the threat levels. Blizzard now gives us the threat data directly. Omen just displays it |
| 09:11.13 | Thadius | no icon near mini-map, no response from it from the command line |
| 09:11.26 | nevcairiel | then you broke it |
| 09:11.28 | Thadius | the same copy of warcraft/omen work on other realms just fine |
| 09:11.32 | orionshock | Thadius, obvious question, is it enabled in the addons list? |
| 09:11.42 | nevcairiel | that particular character has probably omen or a dependency turned off |
| 09:11.57 | Thadius | it's not in the addons list from the game menu, but it's enabled in the addons page where you select toon for realm |
| 09:12.07 | Thadius | it doesn't claim to be missing a dependency |
| 09:12.24 | orionshock | " addons list from the game menu " what do you mean? |
| 09:12.41 | Thadius | the computer screen icon when you're logged into a character |
| 09:12.53 | Thadius | game menu/interface |
| 09:12.57 | Thadius | addons tab |
| 09:13.25 | Thadius | it's annoying because i know it works, i'm using it on other realms :( |
| 09:13.30 | orionshock | ah, you've got either ACP or Ampere or like installed |
| 09:14.08 | Thadius | that's one thing i haven't tried actually. which is quite stupid of me... try run omen and nothing else |
| 09:14.11 | orionshock | try " /dump Omen " see if it spits out alot of gibberish or it being equal to nil |
| 09:14.45 | Thadius | omen = nil |
| 09:14.47 | Thadius | empty result |
| 09:14.50 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.08 | orionshock | Thadius, more than likely you have the addon disabled for that toon or it's erroring out for some reason. |
| 09:15.40 | Thadius | i'm positive it's enabled. all 10 toons on the realm can't see it :( |
| 09:16.03 | Thadius | i'll install acp |
| 09:17.03 | orionshock | Thadius, have you tried to reinstall it? |
| 09:20.21 | Thadius | 10 times, literally |
| 09:20.26 | Thadius | manually and with curse |
| 09:21.10 | weab | nuked wtf? |
| 09:21.25 | Thadius | acp, in the blizzard addons section says 'blizzard combatlog' disabled |
| 09:21.34 | Thadius | with no further info, or load button :/ |
| 09:21.45 | orionshock | weab, won't help, omen is simply not there when he loads into the game |
| 09:22.05 | orionshock | Thadius, Install buggrabber and bugsack and report back any errors when you load into the game |
| 09:22.40 | weab | yes.. or so he claims |
| 09:23.22 | orionshock | Thadius, what does " /dump IsAddOnLoaded("Omen") " give? |
| 09:23.31 | mitch0 | didum |
| 09:24.54 | Thadius | 1=1, |
| 09:25.05 | Thadius | 2=1 |
| 09:25.19 | orionshock | yep there's a load up error |
| 09:25.24 | Thadius | first numbers are in [ ] |
| 09:25.34 | orionshock | the addon is installed and loading, but erroring out somewhere |
| 09:25.42 | Thadius | bahh :( |
| 09:25.48 | [Ammo] | install !BugGrabber and BugSack |
| 09:25.52 | [Ammo] | and see what the error is |
| 09:25.58 | Thadius | k, will do |
| 09:27.00 | orionshock | your missing either LSM, LDB, or LibDBIcon |
| 09:28.56 | [Ammo] | LibDBIcon is optional |
| 09:28.59 | Thadius | wtf, omen is working again... i'm guessing the above listed are libs ? |
| 09:29.00 | [Ammo] | as it fucking should be |
| 09:29.01 | [Ammo] | piece of shite |
| 09:29.14 | Thadius | does buggrabber and bugsack use the same libs ? |
| 09:29.29 | Thadius | dances around |
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| 09:29.41 | [Ammo] | bugsack probably fixed it for you by installing the missing libs :p |
| 09:29.48 | [Ammo] | or embedding I should say |
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| 09:30.12 | orionshock | [Ammo] oddly no it's not, least if it's ment to be, it's not coded that way |
| 09:30.18 | Thadius | interupt.lua:1 dbm error |
| 09:30.33 | orionshock | or i could be wrong.. |
| 09:30.36 | Thadius | i'm scared to uninstall the bug*addons now :D |
| 09:30.56 | weab | don't. it's handy |
| 09:30.59 | Thadius | thank you all a bunch for your help, you've saved my night of raiding, much appreciated :D |
| 09:32.04 | orionshock | nevcairiel, well, after about an hour of letting my stub of code run, i can say that it's droped my usual FPS down by 50% |
| 09:32.20 | [Ammo] | orionshock: what I meant is, BugSack loads before Omen -> it's libs are active before omen goes and checks its libs |
| 09:32.22 | nevcairiel | thats to be expected, you queued a gazillion messages |
| 09:32.34 | orionshock | nevcairiel, this is true.. |
| 09:32.45 | nevcairiel | will probalby be quite big on memory, too |
| 09:32.53 | orionshock | ~4mb on Ace3 |
| 09:33.06 | orionshock | 2mb now |
| 09:33.26 | nevcairiel | lua> 255*60*60*60 / 1024 / 1024 |
| 09:33.28 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 52.528381347656 |
| 09:34.08 | nevcairiel | in theory at 60fps your script would produce 52mb of data in an hour |
| 09:34.08 | nevcairiel | but of course its consuming the data in the meantime too |
| 09:34.08 | orionshock | lol |
| 09:34.30 | orionshock | well i changed it to be variable payload from 1 - 250 & Random chars |
| 09:34.55 | orionshock | however the speed it's putting out is about what i remember from my raiding days in Nax at the start of Wrath |
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| 09:36.10 | orionshock | took about 30mins to go though the whole queue |
| 09:37.30 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Ammo * r356 modules/ReadyCheck.lua: fix edge case where someone enables the gui midreadycheck |
| 09:38.01 | orionshock | I still say that Addon Spam can affect framerate on med-low end systems.. >.> eh well |
| 09:39.41 | nevcairiel | sure it can, but it has to be alooot of spam |
| 09:39.51 | nevcairiel | enough that CTL has to queue it |
| 09:40.05 | orionshock | im sure DBM can manage it |
| 09:40.16 | orionshock | and LHC4 & Wrapper could do it really easy |
| 09:40.27 | [Ammo] | pallypower :p |
| 09:40.30 | [Ammo] | spambot deluxe |
| 09:40.39 | Arrowmaster | does DBM still sync EVERYTHING |
| 09:40.41 | nevcairiel | the LHC messages are pretty short |
| 09:40.55 | Thadius | thanks again for the help guys! |
| 09:40.56 | nevcairiel | and you would have to go over ~4000 cps |
| 09:40.59 | orionshock | well the fps lag isn't just from the sending, it's the receiving & proccessing & the CBH callbacks ... ALL of it togeather can do it |
| 09:41.09 | Arrowmaster | so it can be lazy and not localize triggers for non english clients |
| 09:41.30 | nevcairiel | so it doesnt work in a pure-non-english raid? :D |
| 09:41.47 | [Ammo] | what is not localizing the what? |
| 09:42.23 | Arrowmaster | DBM, not every language used to be localized in it for the triggers, thats why it synced EVERYTHING |
| 09:42.23 | nevcairiel | rumor has it that DBM doesnt localize stuff, and just assumes that someone in the raid will be playing english and sync the triggers |
| 09:42.40 | [Ammo] | no idea |
| 09:42.46 | Arrowmaster | well more than just english were localized but not every language was |
| 09:42.52 | [Ammo] | I only ever once looked into the DBM sync code |
| 09:42.59 | [Ammo] | and it's syncing timers by text |
| 09:43.03 | Arrowmaster | like i think an all french or spanish raid would fail |
| 09:43.06 | [Ammo] | needed to figure that out for Battleground |
| 09:43.19 | [Ammo] | no it wouldn't |
| 09:43.33 | [Ammo] | since everyone would be sending french |
| 09:43.45 | [Ammo] | 1 french person in an all english raid would have trouble getting sync'd timers |
| 09:43.46 | nevcairiel | but if it doesnt have a localized boss trigger for their yells, etc? |
| 09:43.54 | [Ammo] | it does |
| 09:44.02 | Arrowmaster | [Ammo]: you have it backwards |
| 09:44.19 | [Ammo] | yells are spammed across the raid anyway |
| 09:44.19 | nevcairiel | lets just sum it up: its sync code sucks |
| 09:44.28 | [Ammo] | it's sync code is flawed yeah |
| 09:44.37 | [Ammo] | it should use nonlocalized tokens |
| 09:44.50 | [Ammo] | but besides that there is barely any syncing required nowadays |
| 09:45.05 | nevcairiel | alot of authors never get that. don't use localized stuff outside your UI |
| 09:45.06 | orionshock | not according to DBM... |
| 09:45.07 | Arrowmaster | it didnt used to have the localized boss yells, ability names and other such stuff to work properly on certain non english clients and relied on the sync code from an english or properly localized language to work for certain languages |
| 09:45.32 | Arrowmaster | so 1 english guy and 24 french or whatever language wasnt properly localized would work |
| 09:45.38 | Arrowmaster | but 25 french wouldnt |
| 09:46.29 | [Ammo] | ohwell |
| 09:46.32 | [Ammo] | I don't really care |
| 09:46.39 | [Ammo] | I use bigwigs carefree :p |
| 09:46.50 | Arrowmaster | i havent really looked at it since 2.4 so i dont know if they fixed that stuff with the new combatlog |
| 09:47.38 | [Ammo] | I spent all night yesterday failing at ONE SecureActionButton |
| 09:47.43 | Arrowmaster | i remember somebody tried to make a pizzabar module for bigwigs that would pickup custom DBM bars |
| 09:48.02 | Arrowmaster | but the problem was that everything in DBM was synced so instead it just showed everything |
| 09:48.21 | Fisker | do you like fish sticks Arrowmaster ? |
| 09:51.15 | orionshock | well as a side note, i need more buttons for my addon |
| 09:51.21 | orionshock | @describe AutoPartyButtons |
| 09:51.22 | Repo | orionshock: http://www.wowace.com/addons/autopartybuttons/. AutoPartyButtons. AutoPartyButtons A basic addon to provide a set of macros for commonly used spells that apply to a role of the group be it in... |
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| 10:03.12 | Repo | e55ab45: Bump version and update changelog. |
| 10:03.13 | Repo | 8e79b67: More guide optimisation and cleanup, thanks to Yewbacca and darkiz0r for the info! |
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| 10:15.48 | Myrroddin | greetings people of earh |
| 10:15.55 | Myrroddin | *earth |
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| 10:42.54 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Ammo * r357 oRA3.lua: |
| 10:42.56 | Repo | allow clicking (OOC update only!) on the check rows to target the specified person |
| 10:42.58 | Repo | muttergrumble anchoring secureactionbuttons to fontstrings is not allowed, thanks for figuring that one out nevcairiel |
| 10:43.50 | [Ammo] | easier summoning from the zone check ----^ |
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| 11:19.51 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: you have to realise that oRA3 also sends cooldown messages for a shitload more spells |
| 11:20.05 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: in addition to the more often updated lists of durability/resistances |
| 11:20.51 | nevcairiel | It still changed from a polling system to a constant refresh thing, didnt it? |
| 11:21.26 | nevcairiel | its a better user experience, at least |
| 11:21.29 | nevcairiel | the traffic isnt that much |
| 11:21.42 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: yeah I know that |
| 11:21.56 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: yeah |
| 11:22.03 | vhaarr | and exactly, the user experience is better |
| 11:22.23 | vhaarr | I guess we could reduce the amount of information we send in some places, but it would be at the cost of information |
| 11:22.37 | vhaarr | like for durability, we send "Average", "Lowest" and "Broken count" |
| 11:22.47 | vhaarr | we could just send the durability of the lowest item I guess |
| 11:22.51 | vhaarr | but meh |
| 11:23.11 | [Ammo] | vhaarr: I only sent information on durability when it actually changed |
| 11:23.17 | [Ammo] | but you removed that check :) |
| 11:23.28 | [Ammo] | so it theoretically sends more info |
| 11:23.34 | vhaarr | yeah because of new people that join the raid etc |
| 11:23.40 | vhaarr | user experience, again |
| 11:23.46 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 11:23.52 | [Ammo] | well the traffic is kinda minimal |
| 11:23.53 | [Ammo] | shrug |
| 11:23.54 | vhaarr | that's why I removed it |
| 11:23.55 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 11:23.57 | vhaarr | I don't care :P |
| 11:24.16 | nevcairiel | the messages are tiny, people just complain about the amount |
| 11:24.36 | nevcairiel | quantity of the messages |
| 11:24.40 | vhaarr | well we could go over it I guess and see if there's room for improvement |
| 11:24.41 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Ammo * r358 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 11:24.44 | Repo | add a checkbox in front of a tanks name to hide that tank from the tankframes for this session |
| 11:24.44 | [Ammo] | they can fuck right off :) |
| 11:24.50 | vhaarr | but I doubt there is |
| 11:24.53 | [Ammo] | 400 messages over a 20 minute span |
| 11:24.54 | [Ammo] | ... |
| 11:25.08 | nevcairiel | 20 a minute, one every 3 seconds |
| 11:25.12 | nevcairiel | seems like a lot |
| 11:25.13 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 11:25.25 | vhaarr | from 25 people |
| 11:25.27 | [Ammo] | well we'd need to see a breakdown of messages |
| 11:25.32 | [Ammo] | naah this is from one person |
| 11:25.35 | [Ammo] | I think |
| 11:25.36 | [Ammo] | or not? |
| 11:25.36 | vhaarr | no |
| 11:25.42 | [Ammo] | oh then really... |
| 11:26.09 | [Ammo] | anyway, that nailed my last little todo paper vhaarr :p |
| 11:26.13 | [Ammo] | checkbox! |
| 11:26.17 | vhaarr | ah cool let me test |
| 11:26.27 | [Ammo] | now it's time for lunch |
| 11:27.28 | nevcairiel | lunch sounds like a good idea |
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| 11:37.41 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r359 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 11:37.43 | Repo | Reverse the logic of the checkbox and make it available on blizzard main tanks as well. |
| 11:47.00 | sb|work | [Ammo], vhaarr - could you change the frame strata to something higher? or make it configurable maybe, but my raidframes and other stuff overlaps with that ora window |
| 11:47.47 | nevcairiel | i hate it when raid frames have some entitlement complex and put themself on a way too high strata |
| 11:48.07 | vhaarr | sb|work: it's parented to the RaidFrame, so it's the same strata as that |
| 11:48.20 | vhaarr | which should be medium |
| 11:49.20 | nevcairiel | its on the default frame strata, which is medium, yeah |
| 11:49.29 | vhaarr | so if your raid frames overlap oRA3, they should overlap the blizzard raid UI as well |
| 11:50.04 | vhaarr | to be honest your raid frames should be set to low |
| 11:50.11 | vhaarr | if they're not, bitch at the author |
| 11:51.38 | nevcairiel | my raid frames are on medium too, and its no problem |
| 11:51.59 | nevcairiel | because the FriendsFrame uses topLevel="true" |
| 11:52.12 | nevcairiel | which dynamically bumps the framelevel to be on top |
| 11:52.24 | vhaarr | the blizzard raid frames are set to BACKGROUND |
| 11:52.25 | nevcairiel | like all dialogs should, fwiw |
| 11:52.27 | vhaarr | but LOW should be enough |
| 11:52.36 | vhaarr | ah, top of that strata I guess |
| 11:52.57 | nevcairiel | yes, it only changes frame level |
| 11:52.58 | vhaarr | sb|work: what raid frames are you using? |
| 11:53.12 | vhaarr | if it's a common one we should get it fixed |
| 11:53.29 | nevcairiel | probably grid or similar old dusty shit :P |
| 11:53.33 | vhaarr | why type something and then immediately go AFK |
| 11:53.39 | vhaarr | sb|work! |
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| 11:55.31 | olafski | dusty though it may be, grid seems to work :< |
| 11:55.41 | olafski | maybe should try healbot instead, that seems to function as raid frames too |
| 11:55.50 | nevcairiel | healbot is even worse |
| 11:55.55 | nevcairiel | so evil code |
| 11:56.21 | nevcairiel | I kinda hope 4.0 brings us an addon revolution again, breaking alot of old mods that deserve to break |
| 11:56.32 | Repo | 10simpletankframes: 03Rabbit * r15 frames.lua: |
| 11:56.34 | Repo | Set the frame strata on the 'Tanks' header above the frames properly. |
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| 11:57.12 | dodga | Is there a real alterntive for Grid out there by now? Grid seems to be causing lots of performance issues lately, at least for me :> |
| 11:57.14 | olafski | evil code aside, if it works it's fine by me :P |
| 11:57.20 | wink | nevcairiel: some things never die |
| 11:57.33 | nevcairiel | I think you can make shadowed's weird frames act like grid |
| 11:57.38 | wink | nothing lasts longer than a provisorium? :D |
| 11:57.45 | nevcairiel | I never understood why people loved that silly indicator style thing |
| 11:57.52 | wink | indicator? |
| 11:57.53 | dodga | nevcairiel: Are they more CPU friendly? :> |
| 11:58.03 | wink | my cpu is fine, thank you |
| 11:58.11 | olafski | I like SUF |
| 11:58.14 | nevcairiel | those single dots with each its own meaning |
| 11:58.19 | wink | I like turtles |
| 11:58.26 | dodga | I like Grid due to it being really compact and showing stuff that matters :o |
| 11:58.35 | olafski | what's wrong with them nevcairiel? |
| 11:58.50 | nevcairiel | have to remember the meaning of 15 dots? |
| 11:58.51 | nevcairiel | no thank you |
| 11:58.57 | olafski | grid only has 4 dots |
| 11:59.06 | dodga | thats why you think about what dots to put where |
| 11:59.07 | wink | my grid has 2 dots |
| 11:59.08 | olafski | and a border and such |
| 11:59.09 | wink | green and red |
| 11:59.13 | wink | hot and damage |
| 11:59.16 | olafski | and yeah, you have to think about what you put in those corners :) |
| 11:59.17 | wink | err aggro :P |
| 11:59.18 | dodga | e.g. lower right corner = hots |
| 11:59.32 | nevcairiel | my sRF has two dots, incoming heal and aggro, green and red respectively |
| 11:59.41 | olafski | so how is that different? |
| 11:59.43 | dodga | nevcairiel: You're not a healer? :D |
| 11:59.50 | nevcairiel | sure i am |
| 12:00.09 | olafski | some people may like to know how big this incoming heal is, or whether they currently have a renew up on the target |
| 12:00.18 | dodga | Then you overwrite your hots on your group constantly? How do you know whom to dispell? |
| 12:00.22 | nevcairiel | except that my frames can actually show the full name of the player, show multiple debuffs without covering the whole icon, and what else i need |
| 12:00.31 | wink | what annoys me in grid is that I don't see when someone lacks only 5-10% health |
| 12:00.36 | wink | but that might my setup fail |
| 12:00.42 | olafski | possibly |
| 12:00.46 | wink | used to big pitbull party frames |
| 12:00.48 | dodga | wink: make the text in the middle show deficit? :o |
| 12:00.50 | nevcairiel | dodga: i have sane hot timers |
| 12:00.52 | olafski | if I were raiding I'd probably try to use SUF as raid frames |
| 12:00.56 | wink | dodga: I need the name there |
| 12:01.11 | dodga | nevcairiel: I have that informtion inside the raid frames, but that's my preference :o |
| 12:01.20 | wink | we're almost never one person per class :P |
| 12:01.23 | dodga | wink: use the 2nd text indicator, lulz :D |
| 12:01.27 | olafski | wink: you can have two lines of text per frame in grid |
| 12:01.31 | wink | I know |
| 12:01.31 | nevcairiel | i throw around 3 different hots, how would i display that with silly dots on the frame? |
| 12:01.35 | wink | but still |
| 12:01.51 | wink | it's not good, but I have no clue how to fix it |
| 12:01.57 | olafski | nevcairiel: you either choose your most important hot to be displayed or you pick some other solution.. there are 4 corners and a border :) |
| 12:01.58 | wink | because I suck at ui design |
| 12:02.11 | Repo | 10simpletankframes: 03Rabbit * r16 frames.lua: Set the frame strata to DIALOG while moving. |
| 12:02.18 | dodga | nevcairiel: i'm sure there's a way to do it in a useful manner, but i'm a priest, I only care if I need to put renew on someone, or if my PoM is used up, or if I can shield someone |
| 12:02.24 | wink | and my healer is my alt, so I don't really care :P |
| 12:02.27 | dodga | Also, I almost never heal, face melting is more awesome :> |
| 12:02.37 | olafski | priests can do dps? |
| 12:02.39 | nevcairiel | dps is so f'ing boring, srsly |
| 12:02.42 | dodga | olafski: Smitelol |
| 12:02.48 | olafski | indeed nevcairiel :P |
| 12:02.57 | Repo | 10transcriptor: 03Rabbit * r126 Transcriptor.lua: Remove the ace2 event handler. |
| 12:02.57 | dodga | nevcairiel: Staring on moving bars is so much more interesting, srsly :P |
| 12:03.02 | olafski | though I think if I'll apply to a raid guild again it'll be as dps.. less stressy than tanking ;) |
| 12:03.22 | nevcairiel | dodga: instead of just switching between two keys all the time, i have to switch targets too! |
| 12:03.29 | dodga | nevcairiel: whoohoo! :> |
| 12:03.56 | dodga | Anyway, I just wanted to know what good raidframes there are, that don't make my game stutter in certain encounters, e.g. Anub |
| 12:04.10 | nevcairiel | not grid or healbot :D |
| 12:04.12 | dodga | I already found out GridStatusMissingBuffs to be really bad on my cpu |
| 12:04.14 | wink | http://darnassus.net/i/grid.png |
| 12:04.16 | wink | there |
| 12:04.20 | wink | maybe just too small |
| 12:04.28 | olafski | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/categories/unit-frames.aspx |
| 12:04.30 | dodga | but then again I don't play wow much, I do DPS mostly then, so: meh |
| 12:04.35 | wink | when I do 2nd line, I don't see mana anymore |
| 12:04.38 | nevcairiel | i never liked the shortend name either |
| 12:05.08 | nevcairiel | i would however hide party frames when in raid ;) |
| 12:05.14 | olafski | I don't :( |
| 12:05.14 | wink | nah, I like it |
| 12:05.26 | olafski | don't like useless information but for some reason I want my party frames to be present in a raid |
| 12:05.26 | wink | don't judge me, but I hate changing UI |
| 12:05.36 | olafski | I would hide the portraits though |
| 12:05.37 | olafski | and unit levels |
| 12:05.40 | olafski | they're all lvl 80 anyway |
| 12:05.41 | wink | it's been like this for 2-3 years |
| 12:06.00 | olafski | and hide the unit class name too :P |
| 12:06.10 | nevcairiel | i hate changing my UI as well, thats why i use sRF which still looks similar to the original CTRA frames which i started raiding with :P |
| 12:06.11 | olafski | you can already see it from the color of their health bar |
| 12:06.21 | wink | http://darnassus.net/i/full_ui.jpg |
| 12:06.23 | olafski | what's sRF short for? :) |
| 12:06.28 | nevcairiel | sRaidFrames :P |
| 12:06.34 | olafski | mky |
| 12:06.36 | olafski | mkay* |
| 12:06.44 | olafski | you could improve that a lot with a little bit of work imo wink :) |
| 12:06.54 | dodga | i don't even have a DPS/Aggro meter anymore |
| 12:06.55 | wink | olafski: how? :P |
| 12:07.02 | dodga | who the fuck cares anymore :P |
| 12:07.08 | nevcairiel | i only have aggro meters on my tank |
| 12:07.12 | olafski | remove the backgrounds from omen and recount, for starters |
| 12:07.23 | wink | no, I hate the seethrough |
| 12:07.26 | olafski | and as I said remove levels and classnames from your unitframes |
| 12:07.32 | olafski | well make the backgrounds black then |
| 12:07.33 | wink | 24", why would I want 90% blank screen |
| 12:07.37 | olafski | have some uniformity :P |
| 12:07.56 | olafski | or even use a viewport addon to make the entire lower part of your screen black, improves your fps too ;) |
| 12:07.58 | nevcairiel | as long as you can still see enough of the 3d world to play properly, its fine |
| 12:08.04 | SunTsu | dodga: you're taking the direction a boss is facing as aggro meter? ;) |
| 12:08.04 | wink | tried viewport, hated ot |
| 12:08.14 | nevcairiel | most important is how many eyemovements you need in a usual play |
| 12:08.21 | olafski | I have a 24" too, I prefer most of it to be empty |
| 12:08.30 | wink | I moved player and target more to the middle |
| 12:09.30 | wink | otherwise, I'm happy |
| 12:09.30 | dodga | SunTsu: GridAlert plays the aggro and writes "AGGRO!" in the middle of the screen, also everybody on TS yells |
| 12:09.33 | wink | just grid... |
| 12:09.36 | dodga | That's when I press fade or dispersion :> |
| 12:10.06 | nevcairiel | I should really write myself new raidframes |
| 12:10.28 | Wobin | nevRaid! |
| 12:10.34 | wink | good idea |
| 12:10.36 | wink | let's go :P |
| 12:10.45 | Wobin | or Raidcariel? |
| 12:10.51 | wink | winces |
| 12:10.57 | nevcairiel | i like the second one more :P |
| 12:11.02 | SunTsu | TenderFrames? *ducks and runs* |
| 12:11.08 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 12:11.15 | nevcairiel | Raidtender! |
| 12:11.39 | wink | The greeeat.... raidtender |
| 12:11.40 | SunTsu | sounds like a party frame of a different sort |
| 12:11.46 | wink | the first addon - with a soundtrack |
| 12:12.08 | Wobin | and mood lighting =P |
| 12:12.09 | nevcairiel | on another note, when i google for bartender i get a curse link for bartender as the first hit |
| 12:12.16 | wink | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riFR_UxRwaQ |
| 12:12.20 | nevcairiel | is that my google profile doing that, or does everyoen get that? :P |
| 12:12.24 | Wobin | nevcairiel, that's a terrible state of affairs =P |
| 12:12.36 | Wobin | nope |
| 12:12.38 | Wobin | I get it too =P |
| 12:12.43 | wink | wow.curse.com/downloads/wow.../bartender4.aspx - Im Cache - Ähnlich - Filter |
| 12:12.50 | Wobin | Bartender4 - Addons - Curse |
| 12:12.51 | Wobin | I have this shadow priest, and Im having trouble using bartender with it. ... When im using bartender and im in shadowform, the shadow-spells are showed ... |
| 12:13.13 | nevcairiel | you all have too much wow in your google profiles |
| 12:13.16 | nevcairiel | batbot doesnt get it |
| 12:13.23 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Ammo * r360 modules/Tanks.lua: |
| 12:13.25 | Repo | correctly set the now inverted checked state when clicking the checkbox |
| 12:13.41 | wink | nevcairiel: what profile? |
| 12:13.48 | wink | no cookies, not logged in |
| 12:13.57 | nevcairiel | you think thats stopping google ? ;) |
| 12:13.59 | wink | first wow search today, from this iP |
| 12:14.04 | wink | well, tell me how :) |
| 12:14.12 | nevcairiel | no idea, but it works |
| 12:14.24 | wink | maybe the unique user agent |
| 12:14.24 | wink | sec |
| 12:14.43 | nevcairiel | i tried some irc bot, and its getting a real bartender thing |
| 12:15.08 | wink | Suchergebnisse |
| 12:15.08 | wink | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.08 | wink | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.08 | wink | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.09 | Wobin | I can't log out of Google! |
| 12:15.11 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r361 modules/Cooldowns.lua: Set the cooldown monitor to background. |
| 12:15.13 | wink | this is lynx on a shell |
| 12:15.18 | wink | so no |
| 12:15.22 | wink | your bot is wrong :P |
| 12:15.39 | Wobin | hehe |
| 12:15.41 | Wobin | logged out |
| 12:15.45 | Wobin | it's the second listing |
| 12:16.09 | SunTsu | Wobin: you are wrong |
| 12:16.15 | Wobin | for me |
| 12:16.21 | sb|work | vhaarr: sRF |
| 12:16.22 | SunTsu | Wobin: you _can't_ log out from google :> |
| 12:16.28 | Wobin | well, you have a point |
| 12:16.36 | wink | ok, emerging lynx on the new box |
| 12:16.41 | nevcairiel | sb|work: works for me with sRF |
| 12:16.44 | wink | unless someone had this ip before... |
| 12:16.51 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 12:18.15 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Ammo * r362 modules/Tanks.lua: |
| 12:18.17 | Repo | inverted sounds are inverted, remove update from the click, it's updated by the updatehandler :) |
| 12:18.28 | nevcairiel | inverts sounds |
| 12:18.35 | nevcairiel | whatever that means |
| 12:18.41 | Stanzilla | satan sounds |
| 12:18.46 | [Ammo] | checking the box on played the off sounds and vice versa |
| 12:18.49 | [Ammo] | it's now fixed ;) |
| 12:18.53 | nevcairiel | ah, heh |
| 12:19.05 | wink | nevcairiel: don't you know the sound of an imploding TV? it's not BOOmmmm, but m,,OOOB |
| 12:19.11 | [Ammo] | damn details in a GUI |
| 12:19.17 | wink | and yes, a friend of mine believed this |
| 12:19.23 | [Ammo] | but it's the details that give it a good user experience |
| 12:19.29 | nevcairiel | thats because an implosion, not an explosion! |
| 12:19.37 | wink | aka inverted explosion |
| 12:19.56 | nevcairiel | bah i still didnt have lunch |
| 12:19.58 | nevcairiel | what shall i eat? |
| 12:20.14 | sb|work | pizza!?!?! |
| 12:20.21 | wink | Suchergebnisse |
| 12:20.21 | wink | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.24 | wink | there you have it |
| 12:20.30 | wink | new server, new lynx |
| 12:20.30 | nevcairiel | i win! |
| 12:20.37 | wink | no cookies |
| 12:21.03 | wink | I had to stop lighty and mysql to be able to compile that lynx :P |
| 12:21.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:21.10 | nevcairiel | why is that? |
| 12:21.12 | wink | 256MB is liek-- awsum |
| 12:21.15 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 12:22.20 | nevcairiel | also, someone make the damn mail hurry up and deliver my screen already |
| 12:22.48 | Stanzilla | and my ssd |
| 12:22.56 | wink | and my aye |
| 12:22.59 | wink | *axe :/ |
| 12:23.13 | nevcairiel | axe? |
| 12:23.23 | Wobin | lotr reference |
| 12:23.31 | wink | http://cache0.bigcartel.com/product_images/2017845/topatoco-and-my-axe-shirt1.jpg |
| 12:23.32 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 12:23.32 | Wobin | and my TV |
| 12:23.36 | Wobin | and my xaphoon |
| 12:24.05 | nevcairiel | while we're talking about making people hurry, the Curse folks could be done with the point budget for this month, too! |
| 12:24.12 | Megalon | and my red WORLDDOMINATION button |
| 12:24.20 | asmodai | presses said button |
| 12:24.32 | Megalon | dominates world |
| 12:24.51 | asmodai | Megalon: You have a blue FISKERDOMINATION button too? |
| 12:24.52 | wink | Avg Daily DL (last 30 days): 0 |
| 12:24.52 | wink | Downloads Total: 836 |
| 12:24.54 | nevcairiel | speaking about hurry made me want some lunch with curry |
| 12:24.57 | nevcairiel | checks fridge |
| 12:24.58 | wink | no points for me :/ |
| 12:26.21 | wink | curse is broken |
| 12:26.22 | wink | Last sign-in |
| 12:26.22 | wink | Date that you last signed into this site |
| 12:26.22 | wink | 09-28-2008 |
| 12:27.37 | quiescens | moo |
| 12:27.52 | Megalon | who ever wanted to dominate Fisker |
| 12:27.53 | wink | yay, I has 49 reward points |
| 12:28.20 | Megalon | time to get them rewards |
| 12:28.48 | wink | this amounts to ca. 1.90 EUR amazon certificat, awesome |
| 12:29.06 | wink | then again I have no sense of comparison |
| 12:29.24 | wink | when I get 2 EUR for not doing anything it may be a nice reward for real addon authors :) |
| 12:30.02 | Elkano | it sure is ^^ |
| 12:30.39 | sb|work | wink: that happens if you try to escape google! |
| 12:30.47 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r363 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 12:30.50 | Repo | Make the question mark a bit bigger and change the top text to be more helpful. |
| 12:39.45 | koaschten | wonders what addons like bigwigs accumulate in reward points. |
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| 12:41.40 | [Ammo] | less than Ace3 :p |
| 12:42.09 | nevcairiel | bigwigs doesnt make that much |
| 12:42.31 | nevcairiel | about 100 in total last month |
| 12:42.42 | nevcairiel | per day, i mean |
| 12:42.44 | Myrroddin | speaking of, is there a minimum amount of dowloads an addon needs before you start getting points for it? |
| 12:42.52 | [Ammo] | it needs at least a release |
| 12:42.55 | [Ammo] | and some downloads |
| 12:43.08 | Myrroddin | so beta doesn't count? |
| 12:43.12 | [Ammo] | indeed |
| 12:43.22 | Myrroddin | ahhhhhhh well then! |
| 12:43.28 | [Ammo] | or maybe it does dunno |
| 12:43.31 | quiescens | what if you're perpetually in beta like google |
| 12:43.34 | quiescens | lol |
| 12:43.35 | [Ammo] | should show up in your pointlog |
| 12:43.36 | Myrroddin | is it retroactive? |
| 12:43.46 | [Ammo] | not that I know of |
| 12:44.06 | Myrroddin | alrighty... ty for the answers |
| 12:44.24 | Myrroddin | anyway, sorry i was so silent... doing a few alt runs... and now it is time for bed |
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| 12:53.24 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r364 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 12:53.26 | Repo | Add a message that shows up when you are in combat and the UI is hidden, explaining the situtation. |
| 12:53.28 | vhaarr | wtb spellchecker on commandline svn commit messages |
| 12:55.01 | [Ammo] | situtututautuutut |
| 12:55.06 | haste | use git and pre-commit hook! |
| 12:55.08 | haste | \ |
| 12:55.41 | Elkano | or a GUI ;) |
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| 12:59.52 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r365 locales/enUS.lua: Grammar nazis on every lawn. |
| 13:04.13 | Kalroth | aww |
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| 13:18.25 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Ammo * r366 oRA3.lua: disable the oRA3 ui in combat and show the message |
| 13:20.02 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r367 modules/Tanks.lua: Sort the group in the tank tab according to tankability. |
| 13:26.25 | Mikk | orionshock: any revelations on your addonspam FPS drops? |
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| 13:28.38 | nevcairiel | finding healers for leveling instances = hard |
| 13:28.49 | koaschten | level a healer *laugh* |
| 13:28.55 | [Ammo] | finding tanks almost harder :p |
| 13:29.00 | [Ammo] | hence I spec'd my druid tank |
| 13:29.07 | [Ammo] | near instant queues |
| 13:29.10 | nevcairiel | i am the tank |
| 13:29.12 | nevcairiel | with my warrior |
| 13:29.26 | nevcairiel | my druid is tank/heal spec, i can always find a group :d |
| 13:30.13 | nevcairiel | i don't usually level in instances, but i at least go in there once to do the quests |
| 13:30.32 | koaschten | this is annoying, why are there no good netbooks/subnotebooks in the <500 area ?! |
| 13:30.51 | nevcairiel | eh, a netbook for over 500 is really expensive already |
| 13:30.55 | nevcairiel | what are you looking for? |
| 13:31.11 | koaschten | am i such a strange person that i am the only one that wants a 720p capable screen, hdmi and a dualcore that is not a celeron? |
| 13:31.23 | [Ammo] | buy a proper laptop |
| 13:31.53 | koaschten | i dont need a proper laptop, i basically need a mail/movie player that can handle wow from time to time |
| 13:32.17 | arkanes | from 60-70 its easier to find tanks than healers |
| 13:32.28 | arkanes | mostly they're terrible DKs, of course |
| 13:32.32 | koaschten | i had a centrino1 1.73ghz with a 6600m for the last 5 years, which was fine |
| 13:32.53 | olafski | arkanes: or people who leave after the first boss in mana tombs.. >_< |
| 13:33.06 | olafski | somehow all warriors/paladins want the shield from that boss and they leave afterwards :P |
| 13:33.07 | [Ammo] | what I mean is a netbook will have a hard time matching those specs |
| 13:33.12 | nevcairiel | atom dual core ok? the asus eee 1201N isnt bad |
| 13:33.20 | koaschten | yeah, i got that in the closer list |
| 13:33.29 | koaschten | http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?cmp=500163&cmp=512365&cmp=476939&cmp=480408&cmp=496149 |
| 13:34.19 | nevcairiel | I would personally wait for the next generation |
| 13:34.19 | koaschten | the acer 1810t line isnt bad either but those only got a gma x4500 gfx |
| 13:34.36 | nevcairiel | new ion, new atoms |
| 13:34.48 | [Ammo] | I'm waiting for new atoms |
| 13:34.50 | koaschten | yeah sure, ion2 + n450 dualcore would be sweet and expensing |
| 13:34.55 | koaschten | expensive |
| 13:35.15 | koaschten | i would kill for an inspiron 13z currently ;) |
| 13:35.24 | nevcairiel | the hybrid design is awesome for battery savings |
| 13:35.45 | koaschten | but 630 is definitly out of my league for buying new stuff currently |
| 13:36.10 | nevcairiel | ooh we found a healer |
| 13:36.11 | nevcairiel | brb |
| 13:36.17 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 13:36.17 | koaschten | have fun :) |
| 13:36.23 | haste | nevcairiel: I've been wanting to buy it for like a week now (1201N that is) |
| 13:36.37 | haste | but ASUS is sloooooooooooow |
| 13:36.51 | haste | and I cba to order from outside scandinavia :V |
| 13:37.15 | [Ammo] | who posted that silly starcraft poll on the wowace site?! |
| 13:37.21 | [Ammo] | sod off with that crap :p |
| 13:41.58 | koaschten | haste what did make you chose the 1201n ? |
| 13:42.14 | haste | koaschten: ion/dual core |
| 13:42.30 | haste | I'd easily take any of the other ion's if they had dual core tho' |
| 13:42.47 | koaschten | i'd love a ulv/ion though |
| 13:42.48 | haste | but my old 12" died, so I need a new one now :V |
| 13:43.07 | koaschten | same here, old one died and cant live without replacement :/ |
| 13:43.09 | haste | I'd probably buy lenevo skylight if it was released |
| 13:43.17 | koaschten | well 5 years ... did its duty though |
| 13:43.28 | haste | I don't remember how old mine is |
| 13:43.51 | koaschten | why would you buy an arm based netbook? |
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| 13:44.30 | haste | because I'm a Linux user and I don't give a shit about arm vs x86 :P |
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| 13:45.01 | haste | and my old laptop was a 700mhz p3 |
| 13:45.22 | koaschten | yeah well ok ;) |
| 13:45.51 | koaschten | but the design is augh - http://shop.lenovo.com/us/landing_pages/info/10/skylight |
| 13:45.55 | pentium166 | punches HP |
| 13:46.27 | haste | I find it ok |
| 13:46.39 | haste | it's also thin! |
| 13:46.48 | koaschten | yeah its kinda a college block |
| 13:48.49 | haste | it was really what I was aiming for to replace my old laptop, but meh |
| 13:49.28 | koaschten | hmm acer one 532g .. n450 + ion2 |
| 13:49.32 | koaschten | gimme naoh |
| 13:49.58 | haste | too late :V |
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| 14:02.07 | harl | wuff |
| 14:02.27 | quiescens | moo |
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| 14:15.03 | Repo | - Added downranking penalty percentage display to low rank tooltips |
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| 14:24.43 | Xtek | Morning. |
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| 14:41.12 | Weeedar | hey |
| 14:42.14 | Weeedar | anynone available for a little gathermate support? i get all nodes shown as already harvested :/ |
| 14:42.51 | nevcairiel | huh? gathermat doesnt really care much about that |
| 14:43.08 | Weeedar | it did in the past |
| 14:43.32 | nevcairiel | maybe explain what you mean |
| 14:44.00 | Weeedar | nodei see the noods on my minimap |
| 14:44.07 | Weeedar | as i get within a certain range |
| 14:44.23 | Weeedar | gathermate checks whether they're still there |
| 14:44.45 | arkanes | thats not a thing it does |
| 14:44.51 | nevcairiel | no, it doesnt |
| 14:44.52 | Weeedar | o_O |
| 14:44.59 | nevcairiel | gathermate can't check if a node is there |
| 14:45.02 | arkanes | you mean how the icon changes from a little node to a white circle? |
| 14:45.06 | Weeedar | i had this feature in the past o_O |
| 14:45.07 | nevcairiel | all it does is show where nodes *could* be |
| 14:45.16 | arkanes | no, it never did |
| 14:45.18 | nevcairiel | when you get close to a node, it turns into a cricle |
| 14:45.25 | nevcairiel | so you can actually see the yellow tracking dot |
| 14:45.27 | Weeedar | they change from nodes to red circles |
| 14:45.31 | arkanes | it turns into a circle so that it won't block the dot, exactly |
| 14:46.00 | Weeedar | i had nodes with a red circle in the past, if the node was there |
| 14:46.12 | Weeedar | *dot with red circle |
| 14:46.12 | arkanes | the circle is where gathermate thinks a node could be |
| 14:46.19 | arkanes | the dot is where the game says a node actually is |
| 14:46.21 | arkanes | different things |
| 14:46.28 | nevcairiel | it should always show the red circle |
| 14:46.32 | nevcairiel | when you get near a node |
| 14:46.36 | Weeedar | oh so my game doesnt display the nodes anymore o_O |
| 14:46.43 | arkanes | turn your tracking back on |
| 14:47.01 | nevcairiel | yeah tracking needs to be on :D |
| 14:47.24 | arkanes | and theres some lag on the updates, so if you're flying too fast you can go by a node before the dot shows |
| 14:48.07 | Weeedar | hm where do i activate tracking? |
| 14:48.15 | arkanes | button on your minimap |
| 14:48.42 | Weeedar | lol omg, i just got it *g* |
| 14:48.48 | Weeedar | i used a skill to see the nodes |
| 14:48.54 | Weeedar | *G* |
| 14:49.09 | Weeedar | thansk everybody ;) |
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| 17:46.13 | koaschten | Oh wow i just happened to look at my achievement statistics for dungeons... i average 3 times more Occulus, Azjol nerub, ahn'kahet over the rest of the 5 mans .... |
| 17:46.37 | koaschten | randomlfg is cool... |
| 17:47.11 | nevcairiel | you can troll people with the lfg, just sign up for occulus, and you'll get 4 people that signed up for random |
| 17:47.16 | nevcairiel | and they complain :p |
| 17:47.41 | koaschten | i dont care, its just strange that those 3 come up 3 times more often |
| 17:47.59 | koaschten | especially as azjol is quite nice because you basically run it under 10 minutes with a competent grp |
| 17:48.04 | nevcairiel | i dont have ahnkahet that often |
| 17:48.07 | nevcairiel | for me thats HoS |
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| 17:49.08 | koaschten | well the other i get often is HoS, Pinnacle and COT at twice the others rate |
| 17:49.27 | haste | koaschten: it shows up more because people leave those instances more often than others |
| 17:49.28 | koaschten | is that data accessible from the armory? |
| 17:49.42 | haste | koaschten: something which creates additional need and more focused "random" queueing |
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| 17:52.25 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r240 / (31 files in 3 directories): ghetto merging 2.0 branch into trunk. |
| 17:53.55 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r241 modules/PaladinProcs.lua: |
| 17:53.57 | Repo | now adding PaladinProcs.lua - last commit QQ'd when I tried. |
| 17:54.48 | yoshimo | a bit more randomness would be nice.. im tired of utgarde and ocukus showing 6times more often than the rest, never got stratholme ;) |
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| 17:58.15 | cncfanatics | What's this pathing addon for professions called again ? |
| 17:58.22 | cncfanatics | That figures the optimal path for farming herbs |
| 17:58.58 | Mikk | cncfanatics: Routes |
| 17:59.13 | Mikk | but you want to combine it with something that knows where nodes are, and that Routes can grab data from |
| 17:59.21 | harl | sometimes, i get disconnected just because i turn on auto forward and then alt-tab for more than a few seconds. |
| 17:59.24 | Mikk | I recommend Gathermate+ Gathermate_Data (for the db dump) |
| 17:59.55 | harl | alt-tab/minimize |
| 18:01.00 | cncfanatics | Can you also recommend a map addon ? |
| 18:01.05 | cncfanatics | Default world map is kinda .. Unhandy |
| 18:01.16 | mort | mapster |
| 18:02.59 | cncfanatics | Aaaalso |
| 18:03.05 | cncfanatics | Any client to keep addons updated that works on linux ? |
| 18:03.53 | cncfanatics | Also .. Search is broken on curse currently ? |
| 18:04.20 | Pneumatus^ | broken would imply it was once working |
| 18:05.21 | cncfanatics | Pneumatus^: rofl, I haven't been on curse in a while |
| 18:05.27 | cncfanatics | Just get deus vox encounters from there as it's not on wowi :< |
| 18:07.16 | Ackis | lol Pneumatus^ |
| 18:07.54 | harl | huh? |
| 18:14.57 | koaschten | i should create an addon pack with gathermate, mapster and routes and reap in points on curse for it *cough* |
| 18:15.06 | koaschten | also this: http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-03-05/chieftec1.jpg |
| 18:15.07 | koaschten | cute |
| 18:15.41 | nevcairiel | i wish those things wouldnt be so expensive |
| 18:15.48 | nevcairiel | a completly passive htpc would be nice |
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| 18:18.50 | Fisker | i fart u koaschten |
| 18:19.15 | koaschten | ~rape Fisker |
| 18:19.16 | purl | ACTION takes Fisker behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 18:19.36 | cncfanatics | rofl |
| 18:19.38 | cncfanatics | Raped by purl |
| 18:22.55 | Megalon | Fisker: go cause some chaos in your JC2 demo |
| 18:25.20 | cncfanatics | HMmm |
| 18:25.27 | cncfanatics | Does mapster hide blizz's quest guide ? |
| 18:25.32 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:25.33 | koaschten | no |
| 18:25.37 | cncfanatics | Can't find it |
| 18:25.41 | koaschten | enable it |
| 18:25.45 | koaschten | there is a checkbox |
| 18:25.55 | nevcairiel | there is a dropdown in the bottom-right corner to toggle between the 3 modes |
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| 18:26.05 | koaschten | and yes, it wont show for dalaran if you dont have quests to do in dalaran |
| 18:26.10 | cncfanatics | Hmmm, might be because the quest has no guide or something |
| 18:26.16 | cncfanatics | Sons of Hodir chain thing |
| 18:26.54 | nevcairiel | every quest has a guide |
| 18:26.58 | koaschten | http://i47.tinypic.com/2vug49d.jpg |
| 18:27.42 | nevcairiel | set the dropdown to "Blobs & Panels" and you'll get the full quest love |
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| 18:35.05 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: it's empty |
| 18:35.15 | cncfanatics | Aha there |
| 18:35.19 | cncfanatics | I hate to change it to nothing |
| 18:35.22 | cncfanatics | And then back to panels & blobs |
| 18:35.23 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 18:35.29 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 18:35.34 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 18:35.35 | cncfanatics | Small bug there |
| 18:35.46 | nevcairiel | possibly because you just installed it |
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| 18:35.54 | cncfanatics | Most likely |
| 18:38.55 | nevcairiel | koaschten: its snowing again :( |
| 18:39.14 | sb|work | stop it! :p |
| 18:39.19 | sb|work | i dont want to hear that :( |
| 18:39.20 | koaschten | same here |
| 18:39.24 | koaschten | since about 4pm |
| 18:39.32 | cncfanatics | Same here |
| 18:39.33 | cncfanatics | Fucking snow |
| 18:39.35 | koaschten | 3-4 inches so far |
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| 18:41.22 | nevcairiel | inches? since when did you move to the US ? :P |
| 18:43.50 | Fisker | soon i will fermi all day nevcairiel |
| 18:44.09 | Mokhtar | Anybody knows how I can "report" a project to take over ? (knowledge base tells to report it but if it's a feature on the site somewhere I missed it) |
| 18:46.05 | nevcairiel | click the small attention icon in the lower right corner |
| 18:47.01 | Mokhtar | In the project Overview tab ? |
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| 18:47.26 | Mokhtar | OK found it |
| 18:47.39 | Mokhtar | stupid wide screen |
| 18:48.15 | koaschten | nevcairiel stupid habit of me converting to inches and feet when chatting in english :X |
| 18:48.17 | Mokhtar | the icon is in the lower right corner but as the rest of the page is layed out to a fixed size... |
| 18:56.51 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: 3-4 inches? that seems a lot, but you're quite a bit further north than me |
| 19:01.11 | koaschten | Gnarfoz http://i49.tinypic.com/iml7og.jpg *self pad on shoulder for low light long exposure steady hands* |
| 19:01.45 | Dashkal | koaschten: You did that freehand? Impressive |
| 19:02.25 | koaschten | no i did rest my elbows on my desk as you can see in the window in the right side ;) |
| 19:02.31 | harl | ? |
| 19:03.12 | Dashkal | Even then. I've tried that but I vibrate so badly it's a lost cause |
| 19:03.25 | harl | oO |
| 19:03.35 | harl | you.. vibrate? |
| 19:03.51 | koaschten | shake ;) |
| 19:03.57 | koaschten | twitch |
| 19:03.58 | Dashkal | harl: My hands shake. That's all. Mind out of the gutter :P |
| 19:04.02 | koaschten | call it what you like |
| 19:04.08 | harl | but why |
| 19:04.24 | koaschten | harl, we are talking about 3sec+ exposure time in that image |
| 19:04.32 | harl | yes.. |
| 19:04.42 | Dashkal | Dunno. I've always had a tremor in my hands. Doesn't affect simple snapshots in daylight, but 3s turns into a blurry mess. |
| 19:04.59 | harl | hum.. ok |
| 19:05.25 | koaschten | 4 secs actually according to the meta data |
| 19:05.34 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: dude, what kind of shape is your house? :P that looks like a cellar window but it's clearly not a basement room... what gives? :p |
| 19:06.04 | koaschten | gnarfoz i live in a "altbau" we have ceiling height windows |
| 19:06.09 | harl | some houses just have riciculously small windows |
| 19:06.14 | koaschten | but the lower 1/8 is seperated from the upper part |
| 19:06.32 | harl | ridiculously |
| 19:06.52 | koaschten | and the upper part is usually 100% of the timer covered by shades |
| 19:07.06 | koaschten | (which you can actually glimpse at in the top left corner |
| 19:08.28 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: I think I'm getting it, but not from your description, but by realizing that the house outside of your window has just that kind of window on the left facing side :p |
| 19:10.37 | harl | it does? |
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| 19:12.40 | koaschten | yup ;) |
| 19:13.12 | koaschten | and yes, that house is really yellow and 3 people tried to prevent getting it painted in that color last summer |
| 19:13.23 | koaschten | its annoyingly yellow |
| 19:13.41 | koaschten | as much as light reflection is yellow when the sun shines on it. |
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| 19:13.55 | harl | better than red or brown or green |
| 19:17.18 | Gagorian | Shadowed: ping |
| 19:18.12 | quiescens | pink with purple polka dots |
| 19:19.30 | Megalon | IT'S POLKARAMA TIME |
| 19:19.53 | harl | no. |
| 19:19.57 | Gagorian | ~seen Shadowed |
| 19:20.02 | purl | shadowed <~Shadowed@li53-10.members.linode.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1h 37m 20s ago, saying: 'Lopeppeppy: "Get well, hope to see you soon?"'. |
| 19:24.01 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: the yellow is annoying IRL? I didn't think twice about it at all^^ |
| 19:26.55 | Megalon | what's the color called? Fiskerink? |
| 19:36.08 | Pneumatus^ | so, you have to spread on rotface heroic then :< |
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| 19:41.27 | steev | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFalTRHDA |
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| 20:41.10 | p3lim | ~seen Kaelten |
| 20:41.13 | purl | kaelten is currently on #wowprogramming. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 22h 43m 21s, last said: 'hrm?'. |
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| 21:44.46 | koaschten | still snowing :/ |
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| 22:10.36 | sb|work | its okay koaschten, just keep it there! :p |
| 22:11.02 | koaschten | i will shovel it into a box and ship it express |
| 22:16.53 | Pneumatus | dreamwalker 10 heroic is a bit hard :< |
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| 22:18.53 | Pneumatus | i wonder if there's some kind of 4 healer tactic to cheese it |
| 22:21.29 | koaschten | uuh are you joking Pneumatus?? |
| 22:21.43 | koaschten | or are you running 2 tanks 3 healers and get overrun |
| 22:21.59 | Pneumatus | yes |
| 22:22.03 | koaschten | because 1 tank 3 healers was kinda easy |
| 22:22.18 | koaschten | just have heal aggro bring zombie and abbo in the center |
| 22:22.34 | koaschten | dps rip skeletons and frosty's |
| 22:22.46 | koaschten | and if there are suppressors 1 each left and right |
| 22:22.46 | Mikk | yeah, simply don't be all over the place |
| 22:22.55 | koaschten | the rest does stuff on the only tank |
| 22:22.58 | Mikk | clump up in front of the drake |
| 22:23.20 | koaschten | the trick is, less movement more dps ;) |
| 22:23.22 | koaschten | as always |
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| 22:42.14 | cncfanatics | Hmmm, is LibQuickHealth still useful ? |
| 22:42.15 | arkanes | we run 2 tanks 3 healers |
| 22:42.18 | cncfanatics | And maintained by someone ? (a) |
| 22:42.39 | arkanes | we've tried single tanking it and its just too rough, if you're getting overrun by adds tell your healers to heal faster |
| 22:43.05 | arkanes | spawn rate increases a little bit at about 3 minutes and a ton at 6 minutes |
| 22:43.20 | cncfanatics | 6 mins is almsot a hard enrage |
| 22:43.23 | arkanes | yeah |
| 22:43.25 | cncfanatics | You wont survive more then 15-20 secs |
| 22:43.35 | cncfanatics | And thats with a pally bubbling the last 12 secs :P |
| 22:43.40 | arkanes | we pulled out a 7 minute kill once but it was crazy |
| 22:44.13 | cncfanatics | Soo, someone |
| 22:44.20 | cncfanatics | Is LibQuickHealth / InstantHealth still useful ? |
| 22:44.26 | cncfanatics | or did blizz finaly remove the UNIT_HEALTH throttling ? |
| 22:44.33 | arkanes | I think it still is |
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| 22:44.46 | cncfanatics | Is it still maintained ? |
| 22:44.50 | cncfanatics | If so, where ? :P |
| 22:45.00 | arkanes | dunno |
| 22:45.05 | arkanes | healbot packages it, I think |
| 22:45.17 | cncfanatics | *Checks if grid does* |
| 22:45.37 | cncfanatics | It doesn't; boo |
| 22:46.15 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r217 / (3 files in 1 directory): *3.02.36 (06-MAR-2010)* |
| 22:46.17 | Repo | * fixed - issue with outfit rule function when using closetgnome and itemrack |
| 22:48.15 | cncfanatics | Someone with a definate yes/no wether quickhealth is still useful ? |
| 22:48.22 | cncfanatics | Iirc blizz implemented it themselves at some point ? |
| 22:49.49 | Shefki | cncfanatics: THat's a matter of opinion. |
| 22:50.05 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro 043.02.36 * r218 : *3.02.36 (06-MAR-2010)* |
| 22:50.06 | Repo | * fixed - issue with outfit rule function when using closetgnome and itemrack |
| 22:50.09 | cncfanatics | Well, does it still do something ? :P |
| 22:50.22 | cncfanatics | LibQuickHealth hasn't been updated since I abandonded it ... Over 6 months ago |
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| 22:50.35 | Shefki | Itt still works as far as I know but I don't really think it's necessary anymore. |
| 22:50.43 | cncfanatics | Why's that ? |
| 22:50.46 | Shefki | But I'm sure some of the people that think it's better will come out of the woodwork. |
| 22:50.53 | cncfanatics | (Glad to hear that after 6 months it still works though) |
| 22:50.56 | Shefki | cncfanatics: Blizzard basically implemented it with their own stuff. |
| 22:51.08 | cncfanatics | Now the question is, did they do it correctly ? |
| 22:51.38 | Shefki | Some people claim it's slightly slower than QH. |
| 22:51.45 | Fisker | http://hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTI2NzgyMzM4OFJyeXphUllhYmRfMV8xMV9sLmpwZw== <-greatest cooler, ever. |
| 22:51.51 | Shefki | However, it seems to be more reliable in that you never end up with things like negative health. |
| 22:52.00 | cncfanatics | Well, negative health is a good thing ? |
| 22:52.09 | cncfanatics | It tells you that if you heal the person NAW you might save em :P |
| 22:52.39 | Shefki | I'm gonna drop this since I can tell already you're going to be one of those crazy people that thinks as long as it updates faster it doesn't matter if it's right. |
| 22:52.44 | arkanes | as I undersand it, LQH works by checking for damage/healing events and applying them to your health that instant, correct? |
| 22:53.00 | cncfanatics | Yes |
| 22:53.01 | arkanes | as opposed to waiting for UNIT_HEALTH |
| 22:53.04 | cncfanatics | Shefki: I'm not saying that |
| 22:53.27 | arkanes | therefore, it will *always* be faster by at least one spin of the event loop |
| 22:53.40 | Shefki | arkanes: Blizzard's code does roughly the same thing. |
| 22:53.56 | Shefki | But we can't really tell the implementation details since it's in the C++ side of the game. |
| 22:54.05 | arkanes | Shefki: except it can't, because they dont have a way to inject that information without spinning the event loop |
| 22:54.13 | Shefki | arkanes: Yes they do. |
| 22:54.23 | Shefki | arkanes: If PredictedHealth is turned on health bars update OnUpdate. |
| 22:54.24 | arkanes | no, of course they don't |
| 22:54.36 | arkanes | Shefki: OnUpdate means another spin of the event loop |
| 22:54.43 | arkanes | events are how they talk to the UI |
| 22:54.49 | arkanes | 2 evens means 2 event loop spins |
| 22:55.02 | Shefki | PredictedHealth doesn't depend upon any events. |
| 22:55.05 | cncfanatics | 1 event loop spin is nothing at all |
| 22:55.12 | arkanes | and of course thats the second point |
| 22:55.23 | arkanes | 1 event loop spin is much, much less than a single frame |
| 22:56.15 | cncfanatics | PredictedHealth is on by default, yes ? |
| 22:56.19 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 22:56.27 | Shefki | And it breaks stuff if you turn it off. |
| 22:56.34 | cncfanatics | Heh |
| 22:56.36 | Shefki | Notably the boss frames don't work right. |
| 22:56.37 | cncfanatics | *Not surprised* |
| 22:56.39 | arkanes | oh wow you can turn predicted mana off too |
| 22:56.43 | arkanes | that I did not know |
| 22:56.55 | cncfanatics | Predicted mana ? :o |
| 22:56.57 | cncfanatics | That exists ? |
| 22:56.59 | Repo | 10grid2: 03Azethoth * r409 Options/Grid2Options.toc: Undo change |
| 22:57.00 | arkanes | sure |
| 22:57.08 | arkanes | you haven't noticed that energy bars update clientside now? |
| 22:57.10 | Shefki | cncfanatics: Only for the player and their pet. |
| 22:57.14 | cncfanatics | Oh, energy |
| 22:57.17 | arkanes | mana too |
| 22:57.17 | cncfanatics | You mean power bar :> |
| 22:57.23 | arkanes | all resources |
| 22:57.28 | cncfanatics | Doesn't actualy do anything for mana I guess though |
| 22:57.28 | arkanes | (probably not rune power) |
| 22:57.36 | Shefki | It does for mana. |
| 22:57.38 | arkanes | it does, because mana regen is per second now instead of in ticks |
| 22:57.51 | cncfanatics | Oh .. Yeah |
| 22:57.52 | cncfanatics | Forgot that |
| 22:58.32 | Shefki | cncfanatics: In my opinion, LQH might be slightly faster, but not fast enough to make it worth the bother. |
| 22:58.51 | cncfanatics | Well, I'm just asking because I'm Its former author, so was just wondering what its current status is |
| 22:58.56 | cncfanatics | Cheers Shefki |
| 22:59.17 | Shefki | cncfanatics: Functional but only used by a handful of fanatics. |
| 22:59.17 | arkanes | I'm pretty sure the only cases where it'd be faster are the ones where its inaccurate |
| 22:59.27 | nevcairiel | there are still people that insist that they can only heal with it |
| 22:59.34 | nevcairiel | but those people probably can't heal anyway |
| 22:59.39 | cncfanatics | Hahaha |
| 22:59.49 | cncfanatics | Well, the negative health cases had their uses |
| 22:59.53 | arkanes | it wouldn't be that hard to prove how responsive UNIT_HEALTH is |
| 23:00.05 | cncfanatics | Just print out timing tables, yeah |
| 23:00.16 | Shefki | arkanes: We know it's faster than UNIT_HEALTH buut UNIT_HEALTH is for all practical purposes obsolete. |
| 23:00.28 | arkanes | cncfanatics: is that actually true? If LQH is showing you at negative health, that means you're almost certainly already dead server side |
| 23:00.53 | cncfanatics | It's actualy possible to save the person if you time it right |
| 23:01.03 | cncfanatics | Death seems to be done at set intervals , or something |
| 23:01.11 | cncfanatics | So you can save the person before the server "notices" they're dead |
| 23:01.20 | Shefki | There's a video floating around where someone tried to demonstrate the differences. |
| 23:01.24 | arkanes | I've done that before |
| 23:01.33 | cncfanatics | Shefki: Results ? :o |
| 23:01.43 | arkanes | but it's something you see after the fact, I've never managed to react to killing damage and intentionally save them |
| 23:01.55 | Shefki | But I don't really believe the results becuase they try to say that they have one frame showing predictedhealth, one frame showing jsut UNIT_HEALTH and one frame showing LQH all at the same time. |
| 23:02.25 | cncfanatics | Shefki: Not possible in the same UI, is it ? |
| 23:02.32 | Shefki | The problem with this is if predictedhealth is on it's impacting the return of UnitHealth() regardless of how you're triggering te call. |
| 23:02.35 | cncfanatics | Actualy, it is |
| 23:02.36 | arkanes | maybe I misunderstood the mechanic predictedHealth uses. I thought it just caused UNIT_HEALTH messages to be generated clientside, without waiting for a server message |
| 23:02.47 | Shefki | arkanes: No |
| 23:03.02 | Shefki | arkanes: In fact the default UI doesn't even listen to UNIT_HEALTH if it's turned on. |
| 23:03.08 | cncfanatics | It -is- possible, you'd just have the UNIT_HEALTH frame not trigger on onUpdate |
| 23:03.12 | Shefki | arkanes: Default UI just calls UnitHhealth() on every OnUpdate. |
| 23:03.17 | arkanes | it polls UnitHealth() on OnUpdate()? |
| 23:03.18 | arkanes | ah |
| 23:03.35 | cncfanatics | Shefki: Where's that vid, btw ? :o |
| 23:04.38 | Shefki | I'm not seeing the one that I remmber people showing. |
| 23:04.49 | Shefki | Give me a sec to search the IRC logs for it. |
| 23:05.29 | cncfanatics | Cheers :> |
| 23:05.37 | Shefki | Hmm video seems to be gone now. |
| 23:05.43 | Shefki | Found the URL goes to nothing. |
| 23:05.46 | cncfanatics | Boo |
| 23:05.52 | cncfanatics | Well, how noticable was the difference ? |
| 23:06.11 | cncfanatics | (On a side note, LQH is still included in the most recent healbot version) |
| 23:06.19 | Shefki | Very slight between predictedHealth and LQH and much larger between UNIT_HEALTH and the other. |
| 23:06.42 | cncfanatics | I'm surprised its actualy noticable, tbh |
| 23:06.46 | Shefki | Slight enough that it might be influenced more by how the unitframe is implemented than anything else. |
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| 23:07.28 | Shefki | Found it. |
| 23:07.29 | Shefki | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP5vx9rLLhE |
| 23:07.34 | Shefki | That's the video they always link to. |
| 23:08.21 | arkanes | heabot does embed it, fwiw |
| 23:08.28 | arkanes | and I think it uses it by default, can't check that right now |
| 23:08.45 | cncfanatics | Its actualy rather noticable on that video ? :o |
| 23:08.58 | Shefki | Sometimes it is sometimes it isn't. |
| 23:09.21 | Shefki | PredictedHealth seems to do a better job going up. |
| 23:09.26 | Shefki | LQH seems to do a better job going down. |
| 23:09.34 | cncfanatics | Yeah |
| 23:09.35 | Shefki | *shrug* |
| 23:09.43 | cncfanatics | Funnily enough :P |
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| 23:10.20 | Shefki | But that's entirely dependent upon oUF's implementation of what they call is frequentUpdates. |
| 23:10.33 | cncfanatics | I'm assuming it'd be OnUpdate polling |
| 23:10.38 | cncfanatics | I don't see how else you'd do it tbh ? |
| 23:10.39 | Shefki | I'd imagine so. |
| 23:13.09 | Shefki | cncfanatics: I also have no idea which unitids he's using to do that. I'm guessing he's using player for one, target and focus for the other two. |
| 23:13.28 | Shefki | cncfanatics: I'm somewhat convinced that Blizzard's predictedHealth treats different units differently. |
| 23:14.13 | cncfanatics | Thats bad |
| 23:14.19 | cncfanatics | Should update em all as fast as possible tbh :P |
| 23:14.47 | Shefki | Blizzard doesn't even OnUpdate any frames other than player or pet. |
| 23:15.10 | Shefki | And it also seems that sometimes predictedHealth turns off. |
| 23:15.35 | Shefki | Basically we've got a black box. We don't know how it works and it seems to have a lot of fuzzy behavior from my playing around with it. |
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| 23:16.59 | Shefki | I asked for some clarification on this stuff back when Zoot was still around but never got it. |
| 23:18.15 | cncfanatics | Anoying .. |
| 23:18.24 | cncfanatics | Thats why I dislike blizz doing sutff themselves sometimes .. |
| 23:20.33 | Shefki | Based on my playing around with it I suspect two things are true. It disables generating predictions when it doesn't think they are useful and that they have some sort of system in place to ensure events are processed in the order the server sees them, probably some sort of sequence number they don't expose to us in the combat log. |
| 23:22.48 | cncfanatics | Tbh, it's just nice seeing a little piece of code I wrote mostly for myself (as I was totaly fed up with instanthealth) still be used |
| 23:23.25 | Shefki | Since the combat log is not guaranteed to be in the order in which things happened, I'm guessing they reorder the events based on the sequence and that could explain the differences since lqh has no way of doing that. |
| 23:24.04 | Shefki | Say event 3 comes before event 2. They wait on event 2 to arrive, process it and then process event 3. And so on. |
| 23:24.56 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 23:25.03 | cncfanatics | Thats both a good and a bad thing |
| 23:25.08 | cncfanatics | It provides more accurate figures |
| 23:25.13 | cncfanatics | Bit its also slower, as it involves waiting |
| 23:25.14 | Shefki | This would preven the negative health values. But it slows things down slightly. |
| 23:25.25 | Shefki | Exactly. |
| 23:26.03 | Shefki | It's one thing for an addon to estimate slightly wrong. I don't think Blizzard can allow their UI to show negative health without people thinking it's dumb. |
| 23:26.12 | cncfanatics | Indeed |
| 23:27.10 | Shefki | To give an example of how predictedHealth seems to turn off... |
| 23:27.27 | Shefki | Health regen out of combat is supposed to also be smooth like mana regen now. |
| 23:27.50 | Shefki | However if I say go to the flight path in Dalaran, fly up and drop. |
| 23:28.04 | Shefki | I still get health ticks with predictedHealth. |
| 23:28.26 | cncfanatics | With LQH too, for that matter |
| 23:28.28 | cncfanatics | But yeah |
| 23:28.32 | cncfanatics | It seems predictedHealth is 'lazy' |
| 23:28.40 | cncfanatics | while LQG gets as much info as possible as fast as possible |
| 23:29.15 | Shefki | Well when we were told what predictedHealth was supposed to do we were told it would include the calculation of the regen locally to allow that smooth updating. |
| 23:29.24 | Shefki | Interestingly enough. It didn't behave this way in wrath beta. |
| 23:29.33 | Shefki | It did indeed do smooth health updates under those conditions. |
| 23:29.42 | Shefki | My guess is this is an optimization on their part. |
| 23:30.31 | Shefki | So yeah basically if predictedHealth is good enough comes down to an opinion. |
| 23:30.46 | cncfanatics | I'm gonna pop it with my grid just to try |
| 23:30.53 | cncfanatics | Question is, grid wouldn't use it by default would it ? |
| 23:30.58 | cncfanatics | I can't find the plugin addons anymore |
| 23:31.01 | nevcairiel | negative health shouldnt be possible anyway, if the system worked perfectly, the player would be dead in that moment :P |
| 23:31.05 | cncfanatics | Or is grid setup to use it if its available ? |
| 23:31.15 | cncfanatics | But it doesn't work perfectly ^^ |
| 23:31.17 | Shefki | nevcairiel: It hapapens because events come out of order. |
| 23:31.44 | nevcairiel | imho, it happens because the HP is only checked on UNIT_HEALTH, and if its <= 0, the player dies |
| 23:31.57 | Shefki | e.g. player has say 20k health, -10000, +5000, -11000 is what happens. |
| 23:32.07 | Shefki | But the events come say -10000, -11000, +5000 |
| 23:32.28 | Shefki | nevcairiel: That's probably true as well. |
| 23:32.39 | nevcairiel | the event order wouldn't help you |
| 23:32.52 | nevcairiel | you would see that he is negative, but you couldnt do anything about it |
| 23:32.59 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Well the negative health is only from what the client sees. |
| 23:32.59 | nevcairiel | you have enough time to actually cast an instant |
| 23:33.15 | nevcairiel | he might even actually be negative |
| 23:33.20 | nevcairiel | and you get a instant cast in |
| 23:33.26 | nevcairiel | before the server does his alive check again |
| 23:33.37 | cncfanatics | It should save him yeah |
| 23:33.45 | cncfanatics | We don't exactly know how the server is implemented though |
| 23:33.53 | cncfanatics | And its kinda hard to prove |
| 23:33.57 | nevcairiel | but then again, you don't know if its just a client thing, and he would've been saved anyway |
| 23:34.15 | Shefki | nevcairiel: That's pretty much my theory. |
| 23:34.22 | cncfanatics | Quick question |
| 23:34.30 | cncfanatics | Is all thats needed is to install LibQuickHealth ? |
| 23:34.36 | cncfanatics | Grid used to need an extra addon to "link" it to it |
| 23:34.38 | nevcairiel | you wrote that shit :P |
| 23:34.45 | cncfanatics | I can't find the linker anywhere :P |
| 23:34.47 | Shefki | That the client just saw the events out of order so he appeared to have negative health but he'd already received the heal. |
| 23:34.59 | cncfanatics | Thinking the grid code might've been updated |
| 23:35.04 | Shefki | cncfanatics: It's probably still arouund but is marked as dead so doesn't show up. |
| 23:36.34 | cncfanatics | I'd be frankly surprised if grid stayed stable API wise for 6 months ? |
| 23:37.09 | Shefki | http://www.wowace.com/addons/project-14141/ |
| 23:37.24 | Shefki | There it is, tagged as abandoned. |
| 23:37.51 | nevcairiel | grid hasnt changed much at all the last year |
| 23:37.55 | nevcairiel | or even longer probably |
| 23:37.56 | cncfanatics | Gonna test em & get em untagged if it works |
| 23:38.07 | nevcairiel | grid is pretty much abandoned |
| 23:38.10 | Pneumatus | it had a pretty hefty update switching to unitguid |
| 23:38.11 | nevcairiel | gets some bandaids |
| 23:38.19 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: it doesn't really need more until cata, does it ? |
| 23:39.19 | nevcairiel | If cata should break it badly, i dont really expect it to survive |
| 23:39.33 | cncfanatics | I'm expecting someone to rewrite it tbh |
| 23:39.39 | cncfanatics | it's just too useful & used by too much people |
| 23:39.46 | Gnarfoz | lol @ not thinking grid will survive |
| 23:39.46 | Pneumatus | grid2, but thats a pile of shit |
| 23:39.58 | Gnarfoz | you realize just how many people use Grid? of course it's going to survive |
| 23:39.59 | nevcairiel | considering that we don't really plan on putting too much effort into keeping ace2 alive |
| 23:40.00 | cncfanatics | Grid2 is abandoned & uncompleted, isn't it ? |
| 23:40.05 | Primer | Hey, who here was having their network die in windows 7? |
| 23:40.12 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: we just have to kill ace2 :P |
| 23:40.13 | Pneumatus | grid2 is constantly getting updates |
| 23:40.14 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: What are the 'plans' for ace anyway ? |
| 23:40.14 | Gnarfoz | Grid2 is not abandoned, but it's incomplete AND a piece of shit |
| 23:40.30 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: why is that, again |
| 23:40.47 | Pneumatus | its been in development sinc at least october '08 |
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| 23:40.55 | Pneumatus | and its still nowhear near half-usable |
| 23:40.58 | nevcairiel | We all know how addons end up that have been abandoned by their original author and picked up by $randomguy |
| 23:41.01 | cncfanatics | Why is that Pneumatus? |
| 23:41.09 | Gnarfoz | jerry should have never opened the repo, that is all that needs to be said about Grid2 |
| 23:41.22 | cncfanatics | Oh .. He made the repo public ? >.< |
| 23:41.25 | Pneumatus | it should have just been left to die before it even started |
| 23:41.36 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 23:41.38 | Gnarfoz | guess who does the commits, it's toadkiller of AutoBar fame, cncfanatics :P |
| 23:41.49 | cncfanatics | I know the name |
| 23:41.51 | Gnarfoz | @project grid2 |
| 23:41.53 | Repo | Gnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/addons/grid2/. Grid2. Game: WoW. jerry (Manager/Author), Azethoth (Author). Updated: 43 minutes ago. Tickets: 12/119 |
| 23:41.54 | cncfanatics | I also know the pile of shit that was autobar |
| 23:42.03 | Pneumatus | s/was/is/ |
| 23:42.10 | cncfanatics | Its still alive ? oO |
| 23:42.18 | Pneumatus | uhuh |
| 23:42.25 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I'm that $randomguy in some cases. :/ |
| 23:42.35 | cncfanatics | Well, in all honesty |
| 23:42.39 | cncfanatics | If noone would want to pick up grid for cata |
| 23:42.43 | cncfanatics | i'd bloody do it myself |
| 23:42.45 | cncfanatics | Can't live without it :P |
| 23:42.58 | Shefki | I'll never understand the love for Grid. |
| 23:43.07 | Pneumatus | you're not a healer, Shefki? |
| 23:43.10 | Primer | me neither |
| 23:43.13 | Shefki | I am. |
| 23:43.17 | cncfanatics | I like grid |
| 23:43.17 | Gnarfoz | neither of you should take it over, then |
| 23:43.20 | cncfanatics | it's completely configurable |
| 23:43.28 | cncfanatics | COMPLETELY configurable |
| 23:43.31 | cncfanatics | In every way possible |
| 23:43.32 | cncfanatics | I just <3 that |
| 23:43.32 | nevcairiel | I'm a healer too, and i've never liked grid, not liked at all |
| 23:43.33 | Primer | <-- Has 2 healers, and used pitbull |
| 23:43.39 | Primer | uses |
| 23:43.49 | Shefki | Ohh I've found things I wish it would do and couldn't make it do. |
| 23:44.00 | Shefki | Like just showing the raid in alpha order, not by groups. |
| 23:44.07 | Shefki | Can't seem to make it do that. |
| 23:44.07 | cncfanatics | You can do that |
| 23:44.11 | Shefki | How? |
| 23:44.16 | cncfanatics | There's an autosort addon to sort by class |
| 23:44.17 | Shefki | There's no option for it. |
| 23:44.22 | cncfanatics | Pick up its code, change it to sort by alpha |
| 23:44.22 | Shefki | I don't want by class. |
| 23:44.25 | Shefki | I want by name order. |
| 23:44.29 | cncfanatics | You're a coder damnit :P |
| 23:44.35 | Shefki | Changing the code doesn't mean it can do it. |
| 23:44.41 | Shefki | It means I can make it do it. |
| 23:44.59 | cncfanatics | I use gentoo, those two phrases are the same to me ! *Grin* |
| 23:45.04 | Shefki | And modifying some autosort addon that uses nameLists would not be the right way to do that. |
| 23:45.07 | Primer | Shefki: speaking of order, I'd love it if PitBull could sort by tank assignment |
| 23:45.16 | Shefki | Tank assignment? |
| 23:45.24 | nevcairiel | the grid code is evil, it uses that frelling ace2 OO library extensively |
| 23:45.36 | Primer | yes, as in, raid tab, right click person, assign main tank role |
| 23:45.40 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt touch it with a 10ft pole |
| 23:45.40 | cncfanatics | Well, an OO lib is quite small, and replaceable |
| 23:45.49 | cncfanatics | The Ace2 one though .. Not so sure |
| 23:45.55 | Shefki | Primer: There is no order to that. |
| 23:46.29 | Fisker | looks at cncfanatics |
| 23:46.29 | Primer | Shefki: exactly |
| 23:46.32 | Primer | which is why I want it |
| 23:46.37 | Shefki | Tell Blizzard. |
| 23:46.42 | Primer | put the tanks at the top, regardless of group |
| 23:46.42 | cncfanatics | Fisker: Huh, what ? |
| 23:46.55 | Shefki | Primer: I'd have to resort to using nameLists for that. |
| 23:46.56 | cncfanatics | I'm quite confident grid has a sort by role sorter |
| 23:46.59 | Fisker | stares cncfanatics down |
| 23:46.59 | Shefki | And NameLists SUCK. |
| 23:47.07 | cncfanatics | "nameLists" ? |
| 23:47.10 | Shefki | Yes it uses namelists which are horrible hacks. |
| 23:47.20 | Primer | adds a feature request to PitBull4's ticket tracker |
| 23:47.25 | Shefki | Ok so raid frames... |
| 23:47.30 | Shefki | The sorting is done by Blizzard. |
| 23:47.36 | Shefki | We can't move the frames in combat. |
| 23:47.54 | Shefki | If you want a sorting feature the Blizzard code doesn't support. You can use a namelist. |
| 23:48.01 | Shefki | The name list is just a sorted list of names. |
| 23:48.08 | Shefki | However, you can only set it out of combat. |
| 23:48.17 | Shefki | Which means if you use a namelist and someone joins while in combta. |
| 23:48.23 | Shefki | They won't show until you leave combat. |
| 23:48.24 | Gnarfoz | don't get so worked up |
| 23:48.25 | cncfanatics | You can't update |
| 23:48.26 | Shefki | It blows. |
| 23:48.27 | Primer | not sure what you mean, as "sorting" the raid is a PitBull configuration option |
| 23:48.40 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 23:48.43 | Shefki | Primer: That's implemented by telling Blizzard code what configuration options you chose. |
| 23:48.48 | cncfanatics | Also explains why grid is messy when that happens |
| 23:48.51 | Pneumatus | i only want raid frames though, so pb4 is serious overkill vs grid anyway |
| 23:48.57 | Gnarfoz | grid is not messy when that happens |
| 23:49.00 | Gnarfoz | what are you talking about? |
| 23:49.14 | cncfanatics | It only half updates for me |
| 23:49.25 | cncfanatics | Like, the gray alpha frame behind the actual units doesn't move |
| 23:49.26 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't update at all, which is the only sensible course of action |
| 23:49.27 | Pneumatus | not to mention pb4 is another OMG I HEARD YOU LIKE > 9K FOLDERS |
| 23:49.28 | cncfanatics | The health bar is all gray |
| 23:49.33 | cncfanatics | It does for me Gnarfoz :P |
| 23:49.37 | cncfanatics | But halfly |
| 23:49.39 | Shefki | cncfanatics: Wouldn't happen to have PB3 installed? |
| 23:49.45 | cncfanatics | I do, yes |
| 23:49.46 | Gnarfoz | update, then, or disable whichever plugins resposible |
| 23:49.49 | Shefki | That's why. |
| 23:49.49 | Gnarfoz | *responsible |
| 23:49.56 | cncfanatics | How are pitbul & grid related ? :o |
| 23:50.04 | Shefki | PB3 taints the entire secure template system. |
| 23:50.05 | cncfanatics | Gnarfoz: I have no single plugin doing any sorting on my grid whatsoever |
| 23:50.11 | cncfanatics | Oh .. How nice |
| 23:50.15 | Gnarfoz | well, pb3 is your plugin, then |
| 23:50.16 | Gnarfoz | (heh) |
| 23:50.24 | Shefki | Stop using PB3. |
| 23:50.25 | cncfanatics | And why the crap does it do that? |
| 23:50.27 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: dont you need like 10 addons to get a half-functional grid as well? :P |
| 23:50.35 | Gnarfoz | uhm, no, nevcairiel? |
| 23:50.44 | nevcairiel | i did when i tried it |
| 23:50.48 | Shefki | cncfanatics: Because ckknight called a function that only Blizzard code should call it it reuses a table and thus the table gets tainted. |
| 23:50.52 | nevcairiel | where are my mana bars? .. oh another addon .. |
| 23:50.55 | Gnarfoz | you probably didn't actually check what information you need in Grid |
| 23:50.58 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: nope, i have Grid, GridStatusMissingBuffs and GridStatusRaidDebuff, and that's all i need |
| 23:51.06 | Pneumatus | why on earth would i want mana bars |
| 23:51.17 | cncfanatics | Pneumatus: Druid with innervates to throw about |
| 23:51.18 | Gnarfoz | and the last one in that list is pure laziness, too, you could just add the debuffs :D |
| 23:51.23 | cncfanatics | Or shammy with mana tide |
| 23:51.26 | Primer | Pneumatus: to see who to inervate? |
| 23:51.27 | Pneumatus | and those two are just convenience addons which i could add manually |
| 23:51.32 | Primer | as a feral druid |
| 23:51.35 | Primer | duh |
| 23:51.49 | Primer | to see why healer X has stopped healing, but hasn't said anything in vent? |
| 23:51.57 | Gnarfoz | people call out if they want an innervate, duh |
| 23:52.03 | cncfanatics | Grid,GridIndicatorIconBar,GridManaBars,GridStatusMissingBuffs,GridStatusRD_BC,GridStatusRD_WotLK,GridStatusRaidDebuff,GridStatusRaidIcons,GridStatusRole,GridStatusSwiftmend,Grid_QuickHealth |
| 23:52.07 | cncfanatics | I got all those >.< |
| 23:52.10 | Primer | What if you don't want to be perceived as a noob? |
| 23:52.11 | Gnarfoz | cncfanatics: omg wtf. |
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| 23:52.21 | nevcairiel | I'm a raid leader, i need/want to see how my healers are doing |
| 23:52.26 | cncfanatics | Same as nevcairiel |
| 23:52.28 | Primer | same here |
| 23:52.30 | Gnarfoz | Primer: you are a noob if you communicate? |
| 23:52.35 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: raidbuffstatus tells me that |
| 23:52.42 | Gnarfoz | cncfanatics: you play BC raids much? :p |
| 23:52.48 | cncfanatics | Gnarfoz: It happens |
| 23:52.49 | arkanes | I don't understand the idea that you shouldn't look at information because you expect people to call it on vent |
| 23:52.51 | cncfanatics | And its load on demand so :P |
| 23:52.51 | Primer | Gnarfoz: if you go oom |
| 23:52.57 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: eh, you cant compare that, really |
| 23:52.59 | Primer | and want to hide that fact |
| 23:53.03 | Gnarfoz | cncfanatics: ooooh it's LoD! |
| 23:53.09 | Gnarfoz | cncfanatics: so why are you complaining about having to have it? |
| 23:53.14 | cncfanatics | I don't complain |
| 23:53.19 | cncfanatics | I just felt like listing all my grid plugins :P |
| 23:53.21 | Gnarfoz | Primer: uhm right, because that happens a lot |
| 23:53.32 | Primer | Gnarfoz: just throwing it out there |
| 23:53.32 | Gnarfoz | do you raid with retards often? |
| 23:53.38 | Primer | Gnarfoz: but...what nevcairiel said |
| 23:53.44 | nevcairiel | I jsut know that for what i want from raid frames, i already had a handful of grid stuff installed |
| 23:53.50 | Primer | raid leader, wanting to see how people are performing, etc |
| 23:53.50 | nevcairiel | plus that i don't like the design, at all |
| 23:54.05 | Gnarfoz | the design... |
| 23:54.11 | cncfanatics | Design of grid ? |
| 23:54.12 | cncfanatics | What design ? |
| 23:54.14 | Gnarfoz | right, because you can't change every fucking option |
| 23:54.17 | arkanes | the druid knows when his innervate is up, and when he can use it on someone else |
| 23:54.29 | Gnarfoz | do you want circular frames or something? |
| 23:54.34 | arkanes | and therefore, the most optimal way to handle the innervate is for the druid to put it out |
| 23:54.42 | Shefki | I think he means code design. |
| 23:54.44 | cncfanatics | Oh |
| 23:54.49 | Primer | arkanes: says the non-raid-leader |
| 23:54.55 | arkanes | Primer: I am the raid leader |
| 23:54.59 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: and how is that relevant? |
| 23:55.04 | cncfanatics | Tbh, I order my ferals around when it comes to innervs :P |
| 23:55.06 | cncfanatics | handiest way |
| 23:55.10 | Primer | arkanes: says the raid leader that implicitly trusts his raiders |
| 23:55.11 | Gnarfoz | it's like: OMG this program sucks, it's written in C! |
| 23:55.11 | Shefki | I don't know, not my problem it's not my opinion. |
| 23:55.13 | cncfanatics | They're usualy too busy to check for themselves |
| 23:55.15 | arkanes | Primer: hey how about that |
| 23:55.20 | nevcairiel | I want somethign that works for me without a week of configuration |
| 23:55.27 | nevcairiel | and since i have that, i dont touch grid |
| 23:55.33 | nevcairiel | whats your problem anyway, Gnarfoz? |
| 23:55.38 | cncfanatics | Well, It took me a crapload of time to config my grid |
| 23:55.40 | arkanes | Primer: or more accurately, I trust my healer lead (the druid) to monitor the heals |
| 23:55.41 | cncfanatics | I'm now 100% happy with it |
| 23:55.46 | Primer | nevcairiel: you don't use what he uses, making you a heretic |
| 23:55.53 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: people giving an addon that works perfectly fine a bad name? :p |
| 23:55.56 | Primer | arkanes: ahh touché |
| 23:55.58 | Gnarfoz | Primer: sure, that's what I said |
| 23:56.02 | Primer | arkanes: I have one of those too |
| 23:56.02 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Honestly, anytime someone says anything bad about Grid a swarm of supporters show up. |
| 23:56.04 | arkanes | Primer: and to put out an innervate where it needs to go, without having to interrupt in the middle of a defile to ask who needs it |
| 23:56.05 | Primer | but he's a priest |
| 23:57.02 | arkanes | I use healbot over grid because its set up out of the box about 80% of the way I want it and the last 20% takes me maybe a half hour to set up |
| 23:57.07 | Primer | maybe it's just the voyeur in me...I like seeing other's mana bar |
| 23:57.09 | Primer | s |
| 23:57.10 | Primer | that's all |
| 23:57.15 | Shefki | You can't just not like Grid because Grid is like a religion. |
| 23:57.21 | arkanes | I also use my healing addon in addition to regular raid frames, not replacing them |
| 23:57.22 | Primer | and what they're casting too |
| 23:57.26 | Shefki | And if you use anythingn else you must convert. |
| 23:57.31 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: are you american or something :p |
| 23:57.35 | nevcairiel | Grid doesnt have a competent maintainer anymore, and once it suffers a big blow from api changes, it'll be in trouble and at some point end up like cartographer |
| 23:57.44 | Gnarfoz | Primer: so everyone should have to have manabars? ;\ |
| 23:57.57 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: Some people actualy rely on grid, so it's likely to be picked up |
| 23:57.59 | arkanes | I'm been considering forking or rewriting healbot, though, honestly |
| 23:58.03 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: What's that got to do with anything? |
| 23:58.07 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: until there's a decent replacement, someone with some common sense will pick it up |
| 23:58.12 | Primer | Gnarfoz: no, but people who do want them shouldn't be condemned for having them |
| 23:58.13 | cncfanatics | Actualy, I'm 100% sure It'd get picked up, I'd pick it up myself if needed, need it TOO MUCH |
| 23:58.18 | arkanes | because it's got some bugs I can't stand, and the code horrifies me, and I don't like its dev team |
| 23:58.20 | Primer | and labeled as noobs |
| 23:58.24 | Pneumatus | unlike cart2 which was picked up by retards because people had found decent alternatives |
| 23:58.25 | Primer | or worse |
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| 23:58.40 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: many other raid frame addons have enough configuration freedom to make it act and behave like grid |
| 23:58.45 | Gnarfoz | Primer: they're not being condemned, they're being made to download GridManaBars. And they make that out to be "bad" about Grid oO |
| 23:59.07 | Primer | Oh, I don't use Grid |
| 23:59.08 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: it's pretty indisuputable that healbot or vuhdo are more functional for more people out of the box than grid is |
| 23:59.10 | Primer | so, meh |
| 23:59.14 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: and thats all that people are claiming |
| 23:59.17 | Primer | PitBull > * |
| 23:59.25 | Primer | Shefki: Ain't that right? |
| 23:59.31 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: I've not seen anyone claim that in the last ~15min, but I'll agree with it anyway :D |
| 23:59.33 | nevcairiel | I didn't say it was inherently bad, i was just trying to make a point about someone saying that PB4 is all modules |
| 23:59.52 | arkanes | also I could write my own customized click-heal addon faster than I could go through all of grids crappy config stuff and insane amounts of overlapping third party plugins |
| 23:59.54 | Fisker | G |
| 23:59.58 | Fisker | n |
