IRC log for #wowace on 20100226

00:04.20Shadowedhmm I think I just crashed my server somehow, awesome
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00:26.31Repo10chatraidicontranslator: 03Mokhtar * r4 / (5 files in 1 directory):
00:26.55Repo- Added reverse support (when sending message, ensures everyone can see symbols by replacing locale-dependant aliases by rt1-8)
00:26.56Repo- Added german translation
00:26.56Repo- Added support for raid warning popping on screen
00:28.38profalbertdamn, my twink just got HoR as random-heroic. I failed at keeping his gear low...
00:31.29Repo10chatraidicontranslator: 03Mokhtar 04v1.1 * r5 : Tagging as v1.1
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00:55.51Repo10cowtip_luatext: 03profalbert 07master * v0.4.1-beta-5-gf0d23ed ScriptEnv.lua: [+1 commit] fix that bug in ShortClassification that occured on "trivial" mobs (gotcha!)
00:59.28vhaarrprofalbert: news?
00:59.40profalbertyeah
01:00.03profalbertthe output tells me that reincarnation is on cooldown
01:00.11profalbertand that useSoulstone is invoked
01:00.56vhaarrnot in that order I hope
01:00.57profalberthttp://paste.wowace.com/1757
01:01.03profalbertno
01:01.15vhaarrright, 0, 0
01:01.17vhaarrffs
01:01.32vhaarrokay I need to add a 1 second delay then, jeez
01:06.41Repo10ora3: 03Rabbit * r348 modules/Cooldowns.lua: Add a 1 second delay to the ankh check.
01:06.46vhaarrany other shamans in here able to test that now, profalbert has a CD
01:09.29BWMerlinwould jumping off dala and then anking do the trick?
01:09.44profalbertin a group yes
01:10.26vhaarrmake sure the cooldown monitor is enabled and that you checked "Ankh" under the shaman options
01:10.33vhaarror "Reincarnation", I guess it's called
01:11.51BWMerlinok give me a second and ill test it
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01:20.53BWMerlinwhere is the cooldown options?
01:21.08BWMerlini right click on the cooldown window and it doesnt show anything about shaman cd's
01:22.14profalbert7 min CD left ;)
01:23.24BWMerlinfound it
01:23.27BWMerlinok it seems to work
01:23.31BWMerlinank was checked
01:23.34BWMerlinand i jumped off dala
01:23.38BWMerlinand then anked
01:23.44BWMerlinno errors in stack
01:23.51BWMerlinand the cd appears in the cd window
01:25.56vhaarrand some prints to chat?
01:26.00vhaarrshow me ze prints
01:26.26BWMerlinoRA3: UseSoulstone invoked.
01:26.27BWMerlin[11:23] oRA3: 6976.395:1800.
01:26.29BWMerlin[11:23] oRA3: Reincarnation is on cooldown.
01:26.30BWMerlin[11:23] oRA3: Sending Reincarnation cooldown to the raid.
01:27.08vhaarrsweeet
01:27.34vhaarralright there is one known issue though if you die and use a soulstone with the next 6min it will restart the Ankh CD, I think
01:27.37vhaarrbut who cares
01:28.42Repo10ora3: 03Rabbit * r349 modules/Cooldowns.lua: Remove debug prints.
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01:45.11Repo10arl: 03pompachomp * r2869 Database/Engineering.lua:
01:45.13RepoFixed "Wonderheal XT68 Shades" showing the wrong custom string.
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02:00.58ausmaraHmm
02:01.01ausmara/cast[help] Cleanse Spirit; [mod:shift,target=focus] Purge; [nomod,harm] Purge
02:01.07ausmaraWould that execute correctly.
02:03.09ausmara*?
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02:14.40Groktargood lord
02:14.45Groktarjust gkicked a warlock
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02:20.11PrimerBear tank...glove enchant...+20 agil?
02:20.25PrimerSeems that threat+parry is useless for bears
02:22.51vhaarrit's useless for everyone
02:23.12vhaarr2% is so low it would never matter
02:23.12BWMerlini have threat+ parry on my warrior
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02:23.31Primerand I on my DK
02:23.46BWMerlini dont do hard enough content to argue one way or the other about its value
02:24.53vhaarrI do, it's worthless
02:25.00vhaarrget stamina instead
02:25.39BWMerlinstam is so boring
02:25.46PrimerWhat do bear tanks normally gem for then? Agil up to a certain dodge rating, then stam? Or just pure stam?
02:25.58Primerso LW stam enchant?
02:26.02Primerfor the gloves?
02:26.26vhaarryes
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02:33.12Groktarthe lock said we should go do 2 normal 25 mans since saurfang was "too hard" for us
02:33.23Groktarand then he bitched about going in the "bad" 10m group
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03:12.20WobWorkI have the engineer enchant on my gloves
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03:19.24PrimerYou don't have permission to do that
03:19.32Primerseems that addons can't auto-repair any more?
03:19.51quiescensyou mean on the ptr?
03:20.03PrimerI don't care about PTR
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03:30.51PrimerSomeone talk bear tanking with me, please
03:31.11BWMerlini am playing my druid tank atm
03:31.14Primert10 tanking gloves...red gem slot
03:31.21Primer30 stam gem + 20 agil enchant?
03:31.23BWMerlinim only lvl 76
03:31.24Primeror...?
03:31.37BWMerlini really dont know alot of druids
03:31.42Primerneither do I
03:31.47Primermost that I do know are resto
03:32.12BWMerlinEH seems to be the go so probably see what gives you more, the armour from the agility or the extra stam
03:32.46Primererrr
03:32.48Groktar"Thor and Ripten love Necrid's custom D&D adventures. Aether rolls 2D10. Critical fail.  Aether dies."
03:32.52PrimerYou lost me
03:32.54Groktarthat's our gmotd
03:33.11Primer"EH seems to be the go" does not compute
03:34.55BWMerlinEH = effective health
03:35.05BWMerlinhow much raw dmg can you take before you die
03:35.16Primerwow, I don't have 30k HP in bear in tank spec
03:35.29Primertime to farm some gear
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03:35.47BWMerlinarmour and stam give you EH (plz check tankspot for exact deatils)
03:36.21Primer26k armor
03:36.51arkanesbears have always been pretty rough to gear up at the start
03:36.57arkanesfinding the right loot is hard
03:37.06Primeroh wow, I have an ungemmed, un-buckled belt too
03:37.45Primerarkanes: well, right now I'm using a str/stam neck in favor of agil since it have more stam
03:38.13arkanessure
03:39.18Primeras well as str ring
03:41.03Primer35.6% dodge in bear
03:41.19arkanesyeah you're gonna want more than that
03:41.28Primerwell, I have a ton of blues
03:41.59arkanesusing your healer queues to subsidize t9 tank gear is probably the way to go
03:46.22BWMerlini do something similar with my warrior tank
03:46.36BWMerlinshort q's as tank and i gear up my fury set
03:55.56WobWorkyeah
03:56.04WobWorkI'm subisidising my healer set with tanking queues
03:56.59WobWorkhas a bare tank
03:57.14WobWorkI've been told to just gem/enchant for stamina
03:57.47arkanesI see some bears that favor agi more heavily
03:58.18WobWorkpersonally, as a healer, I like the bears that don't get hit
03:58.27WobWorkrather than the ones with ridiculous hp
03:58.38BWMerlini was told a few patch's ago now that after a certain point putting some +def gave more in return then agility
03:58.51WobWorkwell dodge of course has DM
03:58.59arkanesthat could be possible
03:59.13arkanesbut you'd have to have an awful lot of agi, and very little defense
03:59.15WobWorkdodge and parry all have diminishing returns
03:59.21Primerbears can't parry
03:59.32WobWorkdefense isn'taffected by DM as roughly
03:59.41WobWorkbut yeah. bears can't take advantage of the parry
03:59.46arkanesit is in fact affect exactly the same
04:00.09WobWorkalthough, tbh
04:00.19WobWorkI've always wondered how I can swipe 360 degrees
04:00.29arkanesyeah it's silly
04:00.39arkanesit used to be a cone and all the bears qqed
04:00.40WobWorkwhat am I -standing- on if I use all four paws to claw at things? =P
04:00.44arkanesgrass being greener and all that
04:01.02WobWorkor am I just really ... uh... "gifted"
04:01.04arkanesin fairness it was a relatively short range cone, not as big as say shockwave
04:06.29Primerheh, I'm still using 2 BoA items in my tanking set
04:07.04AeyanI think a lot of bear tanks use the +sta armor kit on their gloves
04:07.17AeyanSince stamina scales so well for you
04:07.17PrimerI went with agil for now
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04:20.33Aeyanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
04:20.49AeyanNot quite as entertaining as the 'gui in visual basic' trace, but entertaining
04:23.32Megalont3h l337 will come AND GET YOU AEYAN
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05:13.18PrimerAnyone have an example on how to bind a mouseover event to a raid frame?
05:18.39RaydenUnilady deathwhisper adds
05:18.42RaydenUnibuffed =  damage
05:18.46RaydenUnireanimated = immunity?
05:18.54RaydenUniwowwiki says that buffed also has immunity
05:18.58RaydenUniin some places
05:19.02RaydenUniin others it doesn'
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05:39.54Repo10arl: 03Torhal * r2870 Frame.lua:
05:39.56Repoin MainPanel.scroll_frame:Update() - check to see if num_entries equals display_lines; if so, halve display_lines - fixes empty list issue.
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07:13.44Repo10smartres2: 03myrroddin * r90 / (2 files in 1 directory): Res Bars tab options makeover
07:13.46RepoAnnoying double chat message bug fixed
07:13.47RepozhCN locale updated (thanks, Annahaid)
07:13.49RepoMiscellaneous other chat related bugs fixed
07:16.40Repo10smartres2: 03myrroddin 04Beta 1.02 * r91 : Tagging as Beta 1.02
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07:24.25nevcairielmorning
07:25.55Repo10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r273 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua:
07:25.57RepoAutomated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system
07:26.11Repo10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 043.3-release * r274 : Weekly Tag - #
07:26.22nevcairielwait .. where did the number go
07:28.44Megalonit got fiskered
07:34.19Repo10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 043.3-release10 * r275 : Weekly Tag - #10
07:41.06Repo10autopartybuttons: 03OrionShock 07master * v0.2-beta-1-ge8b560d / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Add druid module
07:41.41Myrroddinmorning to you as well
07:43.27Myrroddinhey nevcairiel are you the person to talk to about curse's addon search not finding addons? or should i poke a stick elsewhere?
07:43.43orionshockMyrroddin, start with Kaelten
07:43.50orionshockor ckknight
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07:43.56mitch0didum
07:44.02Myrroddinalrighty, thanks
07:44.56Fiskerslaps Megalon around a bit with a large trout
07:46.42Megalonwhy so rageous
07:47.16Myrroddinalright, opinion time: since smartres2 is in beta, i have flagged the original smartres as inactive. should i go further, like abandoned or deleted?
07:47.40Myrroddinor wait unti sr2 is searchable in curse's addon search first?
07:57.38TorhalMyrroddin: Just flag it Mature so you still get points for people who have it still
07:57.56TorhalThere are idiots who still have Threat-2.0 installed
07:58.06MyrroddinLOL yeah, that's true enough
07:58.34TorhalThrow a line in the original's description saying it's no longer supported and they should use the new one
07:58.50nevcairielpersonally i would've just reused the project
07:59.00nevcairielrecycle user base, and all
07:59.04TorhalTrue that
07:59.17Fiskerhmm
07:59.31Fiskereven though i have all addons disabled, camera following still doesn't work
07:59.32Fisker:O
07:59.43TorhalDisable the user.
08:00.27quiescensyou broke repo
08:00.51nevcairielits just the 9am restart
08:00.56Fiskerslaps Torhal around a bit with a large trout
08:01.04Fiskeri break u quiescens
08:01.18quiescens):
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08:06.55orionshocki guess modifiying the "name" part of Chat_MSG_* would be bad?
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08:26.06WizardlingHi - could some friendly person post the curse.com logout link, please?
08:27.03WizardlingOnce again despite multiple wipes of curse cookies the goddamn site thinks I'm logged in in one places and not logged in in another.
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08:40.02orionshockhehe... found someone that leaked _G.self
08:40.03orionshock>.>
08:40.19WizardlingHi - could some friendly person post the curse.com logout link, please?
08:40.47profalberthttp://wow.curse.com/logout.aspx
08:40.56WizardlingCheers
08:40.59nevcairielits not hard to figure out <.<
08:41.11WizardlingGoogling wasn't getting me anywhere
08:41.21WizardlingI have it saved on my own computers
08:41.44Wizardlingbut the site keeps screwing up, usually when I'm without the damn logout link
08:42.32WizardlingIt just keeps on screwing it cookies up year after year, and of course when I'm on a computer without access to browser cookies I'm stuffed
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08:57.24WizardlingThere a curse.com rep on?
08:57.57Myrroddini'm a curse.com moderator... something i can do?
08:58.31WizardlingNo matter how many tickets I create reporting the curse cookie issue and how many times I delete all curse cookies, my tickets keep getting marked 'resolved'.
08:58.37WizardlingIt's a tad frustrating.
08:58.42WizardlingBeen going on years.
08:59.09ShefkiWizardling: Happens to me once every great while.
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08:59.12Myrroddincurse.com or curse client specifically?
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08:59.37ShefkiMyrroddin: It's not something you can really help him with he's got the out of sync cookie issue.
08:59.41Myrroddinsorry, i mean't where are you posting tickets, so i can look them up
08:59.51WizardlingTicket #3,194 was my latest. Yes - I was annoyed. Not good. But when I'm stuck on a work PC without access to cookies and cannot find the logout link via google, well. My frustration bioled over.
09:00.01WizardlingSorry.
09:00.15Wizardling*boiled
09:00.24Wizardlingstill doesn't look right :-D
09:00.34Wizardlingboy my typing AND spelling sucks tonight...
09:00.37Wizardlingheh
09:00.53WizardlingCurse.com support site
09:04.01MyrroddinWizardling yes, Shefki is correct, i'm not powerful enough on the food chain to help you. What I suggest if you believe you are getting the run around, is send a message to DoranM on curse.com.... Yes, i know he isn't the site dev, but those guys are so busy they hardly even contact us poor mods! :P
09:05.09Myrroddinyou are more likely to get a response from him, although it may take a few days while he looks into the issue, especially with the weekend around the corner
09:05.54WizardlingI believe the issue is well know *shrug*
09:06.17WizardlingBut thanks, I'll note that name and give it a go :-)
09:06.27MyrroddinShefki btw, have you poked at the betas of smartres2? seems to have almost all the bugs that i can find ironed out
09:06.47ShefkiMyrroddin: I haven't updated since I fixed the stuff that was bugging me.
09:07.21MyrroddinWizardling, yes, it is well known, but that isn't why you want to talk to DoranM... you want to talk to him about WHY your tickets are getting closed and you are still having the issue
09:07.39WizardlingUnrealted: anyone know why Titan Panel is doing this? http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7954/picture137y.png
09:08.05Grumwhat is it doing?
09:08.13ShefkiWizardling: I think that's a Blizzard bug.
09:08.22ShefkiI've noticed menus doing weird stuff like that myself.
09:08.25Grumoh the overlapping?
09:08.28Wizardlingand gotcha Myrroddin :-) My crankiness hasn't helped I'm sure. But I like to think people would understand why given how it's dragged on.
09:08.31Grum(or the fading?)
09:08.48Wizardlingonly happens with Titan on new characters
09:08.56Wizardlingpre-existing ones are ok
09:09.02Wizardlingvery frustrating
09:09.04Grumweird O.o
09:09.10ShefkiWizardling: Interesting.  I know that people have complained about a similar bug with one of my addons.
09:09.13ShefkiBut I can't reproduce it.
09:09.27Wizardlingand maybe I'm losing it, but I can't see a per-character Titan setting file :-(
09:09.37Grummaybe looking at it with 'framestack' on will show if some frame is overlayed orso?
09:09.38ShefkiThere may not be one.
09:09.47Wizardlingso I don't know how to fix it my copying settings files
09:10.31Wizardlingwhich I know worked because I did that by copying all of an old character's settings to a new one. But having already setup this new guy I hate to undo it all Grrrr...
09:10.56MyrroddinShefki i wonder if http://www.wowace.com/addons/yssdrop/tickets/6-repeating-bad-argument-error/ is related to Wizardling's TP bug? YssDrop was working fine 2 weeks ago, and the only thing updated is WoW itself on my system
09:12.10orionshocklua bot broken?
09:12.12Myrroddinmy issue is that you can no longer set and use profiles without an error, and you can no longer add or remove launchers, etc... kind of just.... stopped, frozen in place kind of thing
09:13.37Myrroddinjust like Wizardling said about TP: old characters are fine, new ones are borked with YssDrop
09:14.26WizardlingNot sure when it began either. I hadn't created new characters for ages, then several around... 3.1 - 3.2 I thiinnnkk
09:14.45Wizardlinganyway - that's when I noticed it
09:14.54Myrroddinanyway, bed time for me...
09:14.59Wizardling'night
09:16.02MyrroddinShefki http://www.wowace.com/addons/smartres2/ if you want to check out how i ended up... at least for beta 1.x ... I'll add more features in beta 2.x
09:17.09ShefkiWizardling: Pretty sure it's either an addon conflict or a Blizzard bug:  http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7968/tbag.png
09:17.12ShefkiThe menu thing that is.
09:17.27Wizardling*laughs* Got to be a workaround... typical. Instead of playing I'm going to be troubleshooting and futzing around.
09:17.56WizardlingShefki - looks like my TP bug, yup.
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09:19.15orionshockwhat am i doing wrong here?
09:19.15orionshocklua> ("|Hplayer:Volva:327|h[Volva]|h says: ..."):find("|Hplayer:(%s)")
09:19.20lua_botorionshock: nil
09:19.32ShefkiWizardling: Can you try something for me.
09:20.02Shefkiorionshock: Arguments are backwards.
09:20.12Shefkiorionshock: Pretty sure find takes the pattern as the first arg.
09:20.23orionshockno it dosn't
09:20.41Shefkilua> ("|Hplayer:(%s)"):find("|Hplayer:Volva:327|h[Volva]|h says: ...")
09:20.42lua_botShefki: nil
09:21.02orionshockwouldn
09:21.33orionshockwould't make sense  if it idid
09:21.42orionshock*<3 typing today all over the place
09:21.51WizardlingDamnit - now how could copying one character's settings have worked around this menu bug if Titan Panel stores settings in /WTF/Account/AccountName/SavedVariables/Titan.lua ?
09:22.01WizardlingYet I know it worked...
09:22.05ShefkiWizardling: Can you do me a favor...
09:22.18ShefkiType /framestack
09:22.20WizardlingSorry Shefki - sure, I can try something :-)
09:22.21ShefkiReproduce that issue.
09:22.44ShefkiPut the mouse over one of the grayed out menus.
09:22.50ShefkiAnd post a screenshot of the tooltip.
09:23.09Wizardling*launching WoW again*
09:25.25Shefkinm
09:25.33ShefkiIt's a Blizzard bug.
09:25.36Wizardlinghttp://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8629/picture138.png
09:25.46ShefkiIt's a CreateFrame bug.
09:26.01ShefkiCreateFrame screws up the framelevel sometimes.
09:26.15ShefkiYup.
09:26.27ShefkiSee where the <2> DropDownList2Button24
09:26.37ShefkiThat should be <6> DropDownList2Button24
09:26.51Wizardlingexamines Titan.lua thinking I'll manually edit to add the plugins I want.
09:27.24Wizardlinghopes I know WTF I'm doing... :-)
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09:28.35Repo10libfail-1-0: 03Maat * r205 LibFail-1.0.lua: add more shockwave spellid
09:29.03ShefkiAnd the bug still exists in 3.3.3 PTR.
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09:29.33WizardlingIt can't be affecting everyone
09:29.44WizardlingI'm not seeing other reports from TP users
09:29.51ShefkiIt's rare.
09:30.03ShefkiThe menu issue only seems to happen if you have a lot of menu items.
09:30.07WizardlingI'm special. My mother always said so ;-)
09:30.15ShefkiHow many it takes seems to be inconsistent.
09:30.21WizardlingOh, well now I feel less special
09:30.32WizardlingIt's just cause I'm an addon junkie, huh?
09:31.24mitch0I seem to remember reading some addon code that had special tricks to circumwent this bug
09:31.34mitch0donÃ't remember which one it was
09:32.15WizardlingMeh - I'm going to just live with using another character's TP settings. It aint quite the selection of plugins I want, but this is not fun any more.
09:32.19Shefkimitch0: Ark
09:32.23Shefkimitch0: And his fixes are BAD
09:32.34ShefkiArkInventory that is.
09:32.50Wizardlingfunny - the bug remains even after loading a character's TP settings unaffected within that character.
09:32.55ShefkiThe problem is that the implicit frame level that CreateFrame uses gets screwed up sometimes.
09:33.02ShefkiSince 3.3.x it seems to have gotten worse.
09:33.11ShefkiI never had the issue with TBag until recently and people started complaining.
09:33.20ShefkiI looked into it tonight and the solution is pretty simple.
09:33.32ShefkiJust explicitly set the frame level with SetFrameLevel calls.
09:33.53Shefkiframe = CreateFrame("Frame",nil,parent)
09:34.02Shefkiframe:SetFrameLevel(parent:GetFrameLevel()+1)
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09:34.29ShefkiNormally the 2nd call is entirely redundent.  But if the frame level > 126 then CreateFrame goes to hell.
09:35.08ShefkiMy guess is they used a short to alculate the frame level in the CreateFrame impelmentation when framelevel is really a long.
09:35.12ShefkiSo it wraps.
09:35.56ShefkiHowever, as much as the menu issue seems related I'm not sure that it is.  The framelevels don't seem high enough.
09:38.25WizardlingUggg - I loath the nerfing of new characters *sigh*
09:38.43WizardlingIt even tries to auto accept quests it cannot. No testing either.
09:41.48Repo10ailo: 03Starfox * r97 Ailo.lua:
09:41.50RepoAdd option to use "Name - Realm"-type display of characters, so characters with the same name on different realms work
09:42.54Repo10ailo: 03Starfox 041.0.27 * r98 : Tagging as 1.0.27
09:45.27Repo10libfail-1-0: 03Maat * r206 LibFail-1.0.lua: add more defile spellIds
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09:53.29orionshockwasn't Chat_MSG_Party_Leader changed to Party_leader ?
09:53.31ShefkiOk looking at the menu code it makes no sense.
09:53.38orionshock<PROTECTED>
09:54.19Shefkihttp://paste.wowace.com/1759/
09:54.29ShefkiThat last looks like an infinite loop to me.
09:54.33ShefkiI don't see how it gets out of it.
09:54.38Torhalorionshock: Look at Interface Kit/Data/FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua
09:54.45quiescensmagic
09:54.48ShefkiIf index > UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXBUTTONS then it will always be true.
09:55.27ShefkiAhh duhh.
09:55.29TorhalShefki:     UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXLEVELS = UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXLEVELS + 1;
09:55.31quiescens..
09:55.32ShefkiThey're chaning the constant.
09:55.32Torhal:D
09:55.33quiescenslol
09:55.42quiescensit obviously isn't constant then!
09:55.56ShefkiWell in my mind when you put something in all caps like that it's a constant.
09:56.06TorhalIt usually is
09:56.13TorhalBut they're beeing noobtards.
09:56.30Torhall2spell Torhal
09:57.41quiescensit seems the all caps thingies are more global than constant
09:58.41ShefkiYeah.
09:59.33ShefkiTime to hook SetFrameLevel and see if I can figure out if something is screwing up the framelevel or it's never getting set right to begin with.
10:01.19Repo10libfail-1-0: 03Maat * r207 LibFail-1.0.lua: more necrotic plague spellId and some bugfix
10:02.30GroktarShefki
10:02.35ShefkiYes?
10:02.43Groktaris the bbw sound fixed on dxe?
10:02.58ShefkiI don't know.
10:03.00Groktaro
10:03.09ShefkiMake a ticket.
10:03.12Groktari added it and don't remeber where i did it
10:03.15Groktarso now i'm afraid to update
10:03.16Groktarlol
10:03.17quiescenswe had this pug icc where the 2nd person to die was a tank, and the tank died before the first bonestorm
10:03.50quiescensand some silly person decided to post bonestorm and coldflame fails to the raid
10:03.55quiescensas though that was the cause
10:04.13quiescenseven though half the raid was standing at the doorway waiting to wipe because tanks were dead
10:08.36Shefki!api CreateFrame
10:08.36lua_botCreateFrame: Creates a new Frame object (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame)
10:08.38Groktari had so much fun on our marrowgar kill this week
10:08.50Groktari got spike during the first bone storm
10:08.51Groktardied
10:08.54Groktarnever got ressed
10:09.14quiescenssome of these various addons are being given too much weight by clueless players ):
10:11.52orionshockquiescens, that's why i like the old days
10:14.07olafskitook my gf's raid leader a full 3 hours to get angry at people last night.. sounded funny
10:14.18olafskishe wasn't doing anything wrong but several people sounded very clearly drunk on ventrilo
10:14.26olafskithat guy has too much patience :<
10:17.36quiescenskill them all
10:18.28olafskiyour friends will abandon you!
10:19.17olafskiI still maintain that c'thun sounds just like quantz from ensidia
10:19.22olafskimaybe it's him :O
10:21.00olafskiI should put those c'thun sounds in at random intervals in all of my addons just to freak people out
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10:28.42Repo10ensidiafails: 03Maat * r218 EnsidiaFails.lua: have vile gas disabled here too for now
10:30.51Repo10ora3: 03Rabbit * r350 modules/Cooldowns.lua:
10:30.53RepoUse SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN instead of a custom 1 second delay.
10:31.28quiescenso.o
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10:32.50ShefkiOk I'm utterly baffled.
10:33.04quiescensdies.
10:33.12ShefkiMy addon uses the user placed stuff to save position.
10:33.19ShefkiBut the frame isn't in the layout-cache.
10:33.41ShefkiIf I create a new character, it's in the layout-local file.
10:33.54ShefkiBut my existing charactrers which position the frame exactly where I"ve configured it don't.
10:34.01ShefkiNo mention of the frame at all.
10:34.07Shefkiyet wow somehow knows how to position it.
10:36.59Repo10ora3: 03Rabbit * r351 modules/Cooldowns.lua:
10:37.01RepoAdd Aura Mastery, Divine Favor, Illumination and Hand of Salvation cooldowns.
10:40.23Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7408 Ulduar/IronCouncil.lua: Throttle tendril scanning a bit at IronCouncil.
10:42.31Shefki!api StartMoving
10:42.33lua_botFrame:StartMoving: Begins repositioning the frame via mouse movement (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/StartMoving)
10:42.51Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7409 / (2 files in 2 directories): One repeating timer is enough.
10:44.39asmodaiFisker: OI
10:44.49asmodaislaps Fisker with Groktar
10:45.49Fiskerslaps asmodai around a bit with a large trout
10:45.55Fiskeri saw you on battlecry
10:45.56Fiskeryou fail
10:46.04asmodaiFisker: battlecry?
10:46.12asmodaiFisker: Anyway, I might join the beta too.
10:46.16Fiskerthe mosaic
10:46.26asmodaiI was on the mosaic?
10:47.19Fiskeryou're the only one in the world with the nick asmodai
10:47.38asmodaiyes, but I don't use it in-game?
10:47.43asmodaiin WoW at least
10:48.06Fiskerfffffuuuuuuu-
10:48.24Fiskerhttp://www.wow-europe.com/wowanniversary/battlecry/index.xml
10:48.27Fiskertry it yourself
10:48.29Fiskersearch for asmodai
10:48.31Fiskerit's totally you
10:53.02asmodaisooo not me
10:53.14asmodaihttp://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/longer-hair-resized.jpg  <-- me
10:53.45Repo10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7410 Citadel/LichKing.lua:
10:53.47RepoUse a proper name for the Shadow Trap config option at Lich King.
10:58.27Fiskerit's a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake
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11:43.38asmodaiFisker: pffft
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11:48.16mitch0hey, new bartender coming?
11:48.51nevcairieltarget date: cataclysm release
11:49.06mitch0whatsitgonnado?
11:49.16nevcairielwork in cataclysm
11:49.24mitch0hehe
11:49.37nevcairieland be generally awesome
11:49.40nevcairielbut thats not new!
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11:49.46mitch0will cata be that different?
11:49.49nevcairielno idea
11:50.01nevcairielbut its a good point for pushing a new version
11:51.56asmodainevcairiel: indeedie
11:53.52Megalonaction buttons will be reduced to 3
11:53.57Megalonhohoho!
11:54.01Megalonyou heard it here first
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12:00.32nevcairiel3? and i was going to remove them completly
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12:06.52asmodainevcairiel: One button ;)
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12:08.47SunTsubut you need a special keyboard for it - that button is labelled "Smash face here"
12:09.00nevcairiela big red button
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12:43.32Repo10lock-smith: 03Ammo * r60 / (2 files in 1 directory): fiddling with the family jewels
12:44.00Repo10lock-smith: 03Ammo 04r60-release * r61 : Tagging as r60-release
12:45.48Fiskerhey nevcairiel
12:45.52Fiskeri could destroy you
12:46.01nevcairielgo ahead, see if i care
12:46.16Fiskerslaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout
12:47.47Fiskerfail
12:48.00Fiskeranyone know what a gigabite is?
12:48.14nevcairiela really big bite?
12:48.49Fiskerwell played nevcairiel
12:50.19Megalona 10^9 bite to be precise
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12:54.59Fiskerhey Megalon
12:55.06Fiskerdo you like me? [Y/n]:
12:57.11asmodaiM
13:05.25winkctrl+alt+del
13:10.05Megalonkill -9 Fisker
13:13.04hastethat won't work
13:13.14hasteyou'll have to use killall if you want to do it by process name
13:17.42Megalonsay that again after I hollowed his skull with a spoon
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13:28.03Fiskeryou wouldn't troll me haste
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13:39.33FiskerThird Week (February 24 - March 3): Cute Companion Battlecry. Snap a photo of yourself with your real-life pet or a plush toy and you could bring home an ASUS ENGTS250 DK/DI/1GD3 video card! <-who'd want to win that?
13:40.34nevcairielthe 250
13:40.41nevcairielisnt that the rebgranded 9800?
13:40.44nevcairiel-g
13:42.15Fiskerexactly
13:42.20Fiskerand the 9800 is a rebranded 8800
13:42.47Fiskerit's like old, old incredibly old school
13:42.48Fisker:3
13:43.47nevcairielat least its a new 8800
13:44.38Fiskerwell it's not like it would be cheaper to make an old 8800 :P
13:45.03KalrothIts like if someone named Kisfer entered the channel and slapped nevcairiel
13:45.12Fiskeri hope DK gets some 480's next month
13:45.47Fiskerzomg 40""(that's double inch bitches)!11 monitor
13:49.02olafskias in 40 square inches?
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13:49.49SunTsuas in talking nonsense?
13:57.56Megalonwhy so senseless?
13:58.05Megalonah, you are talking to Fisker
13:58.36Fiskerindeed
13:58.42Fiskeri live in a strange strange world
13:58.55SunTsurather dimension
13:59.14Fiskera world where theatres display the release date based on local release rather than the us release date
13:59.27Fiskerit's like fucking bizarroworld here
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14:04.32Megalondo a barrel roll
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15:09.54Kaelteng'morning
15:17.27TorhalKaelten: Indeed
15:21.16koaschtenI gotta be a bad nerd :( I am having fun looking at addon traffic during wintergrasp battle
15:21.25koaschtenjust to note 50% is gearscore and 25% DBM
15:25.07yoshimodbm is sending 1hi message on raidjoin, and everyone else with the addon replies
15:25.19yoshimoif the raid changes a lot, a lot of messages come in
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15:32.22Pneumatusboth are srs bsnss in wg
15:34.17yoshimoand you can still fail at archavon and friends even when you have both ;)
15:36.37genetik-no addon to fix stupid
15:38.22yoshimoif you dont have any sense for movement and the class your playing youre screwed , full stop ;)
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15:47.44koaschtenhttp://www.slashfilm.com/2010/02/25/cool-stuff-a-look-at-pixar-and-lucasfilms-renderfarms/
15:47.51koaschtenwoaaaaah
15:49.23Hjaltekoaschten: The website at www.slashfilm.com contains elements from the site ads-display.net, which appears to host malware
15:49.25Hjalte:P
15:49.54HjalteChrome doesn't like it.
15:54.18koaschtenmy chrome doesnt complain
15:54.40koaschtengo and install adthwart ;)
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15:58.42Fiskerhow original koaschten
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16:01.56durcynadzapper > *
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16:02.57Stanzilladurcyn: why is that better?
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16:17.28durcynStanzilla: because it runs on a transparent squid proxy, zero client configuration
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16:19.46olafskisounds perfectly usable for an average home user
16:22.02Fiskeryour mom is perfectly usable
16:24.23kappaccinotoo bad she's got a long cooldown
16:24.31kappaccinomight actually be viable
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16:39.27yoshimodoes anyone of you use rawr for a holypaladin?
16:40.50durcynolafski: pfsense on an old box is perfectly usable for an average home user, tbh
16:41.49olafskiyes because using two computers to browse the web is much better than one :<
16:43.33durcynreplacing a shitty linksys consumer gateway with bsd is better.
16:44.40olafskiI still disagree.. average home user has no clue how to do that or how to maintain it
16:44.47olafskiand it probably uses up more power too
16:44.56olafskihaving a pc just as a router seems like a waste to me
16:45.00olafskibut whatever floats your boat :P
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16:48.23durcynolafski: SFF atom boxes don't draw that much wattage
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17:31.19yoshimowhat exactly is a fake cast and why should you do one?
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17:32.08nevcairieltry to cheat your enemy into blowing his interrupt
17:32.13Gnarfozpvp only
17:32.50Jedi-casting as if you're going to really cast, then cancelling it, playing "chicken" with a potential interrupter
17:33.44arkanes_this comic makes me sad to play wow: http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=315
17:37.09yoshimoso its a reace who has slower reactions jedi? ;)
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17:38.19Jedi-a feignt!
17:38.34Jedi-feint
17:38.38Jedi-yeah that looks better
17:38.50arkanes_a feint is exactly what it is
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18:29.54Fiskeryou here?
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18:51.59Gnarfozckknight: does... Mr. Compreda still hang out here?
18:52.29Repo10castbars: 03xbeeps * r92 Castbars.lua:
18:52.31RepoFix error when total cast time is enabled for other bars than the player castbar.
18:53.46Gnarfoznevcairiel: does quartz3 use InFlight anymore?
18:54.07nevcairielno, it cannot
18:55.04Repo10castbars: 03xbeeps 042.36 * r93 : Tagging as 2.36
18:55.04Gnarfozcan't? or you won't let it? ^^
18:55.23Gnarfozso flight timer functionality is gone for now? ;\
18:55.35nevcairielworks with flightmap
18:55.43Gnarfoz@project flightmap
18:55.44RepoGnarfoz: No project found that matches 'flightmap'
18:55.48Gnarfoz:(
18:55.58Gnarfozso I can uninstall InFlight, basically?
18:56.06nevcairielit does have its own progress bar
18:56.07Ackis~seen adamar
18:56.10purladamar <n=adamar@69.73.16.202> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 129d 18h 57m 14s ago, saying: 'Curse Client v4 - update 4.0.0.969 has been released. The settings files for unmanaged addons are now displayed in the Addon Settings Cleaner. '.
18:56.15AckisGnarfoz: ^
18:56.52GnarfozAckis: thanks
18:59.06Gnarfoznevcairiel: it does :O
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19:12.16steevFisker: i am now
19:13.45Fiskerknow anything about dk tanking?
19:14.13steevsome, whats up?
19:14.37FiskerSome guy says spellhit cap is worthwhile for tanks
19:14.47Fiskerand i'm like "You even have abilities considered spells?"
19:15.04steevyes we have abilities considered spells, no its not worth it to actually hit that cap
19:15.17Gnarfozthat's what the glyphs are for
19:15.26Fiskerwell what spells?
19:15.27steevwe don't have any glyphs like that
19:15.28Gnarfoztaunts
19:15.33Gnarfozyes, you do
19:15.38Fiskerbut anything else?
19:15.42steevyes Fisker
19:15.47Gnarfoznot sure, that's the only relevant one I can think of
19:15.50steevicy touch, howling blast, death coil
19:16.05steevdeath grip
19:17.46steevdeath and decay
19:18.25steevi *think* mind freeze and strangulate as well
19:18.27Fiskersure about that? :o
19:18.42Fiskerthought like paladins that most of those were melee/ranged attacks?
19:19.10arkanes_I'm sure about it and several others
19:19.29arkanes_as far as I know, judgments "ranged melee attack" mechanic is unique
19:19.40Fiskerthat's crazy retarded then
19:20.14arkanes_holy shield and conscs first tick are on spell hit for pallies
19:20.17arkanes_also ret aura procs
19:20.23Fiskeri know
19:20.36Gnarfoz~seen shadowed
19:20.37purlshadowed <~Shadowed@li53-10.members.linode.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 32m 50s ago, saying: 'yay'.
19:20.43Fiskerthat's probably just a technical limitation
19:21.30arkanes_it probably was a technical limitation 3 years ago thats never been updated :P
19:22.02arkanes_whats the problem with DK stuff being on spell hit?
19:22.12steevGnarfoz: btw dark command is considered physical
19:22.58steevFisker: essentially - what a dk tank would want to hit is the expertise soft cap (for dodge and parry) more than hit cap
19:23.07steevalthough really
19:23.46steevi run around with ~80 hit rating, and ~30 expertise as a frost 2h tank, and have 0 issues with threat or mobs peeling off
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19:26.14steevFisker: Blood Boil, Blood Plague (although it can't miss), Corpse Explosion, DnD, Death Coil, Icy Touch, Frost Fever (can't miss either), Howling Blast, Pestilence, Strangulate are considered spells
19:26.33steevso...
19:26.40steevshadow's edge, or cryptmaker
19:26.51arkanes_shadows edge is cooler
19:27.01steevi've got my 1k souls collected, but i've still gotta wait for another dk to do unholy infusion before i can do it
19:28.15steevcooler sure, but i'm a human, so the mace is better for the 3 extra expertise - i think that SE its just a few miniscule stats above it
19:29.17arkanes_you really have expertise problems?
19:29.23arkanes_our DKs can't get rid of the stuff
19:32.20steevno, i don't
19:32.39steevhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sen%27jin&cn=Steev&gn=Cult+of+the+Dead+Cow
19:32.47steevi'm pretty much perfectly budgeted
19:33.10steevalthough when i get the t10 chest and helm i'm gonna need it :/
19:33.23steevsincethe helm trades expertise for arp
19:35.09arkanes_I'm wearing my t10 pants for the expertise, although I really want the crafted ones
19:37.31arkanes_that 4 piece looks pretty cool for unholy
19:38.01Repo10bigbrother_ready: 03profalbert 07master * v0.9-19-gcbfef76 Core.lua: [+2 commits]
19:38.03Repocbfef76: use only the spellId to identify buffs
19:38.04Repoe9b4d8f: add list of "proper" food buffs (thanks gwelican)
19:39.15arkanes_so each of the infusion steps in the shadowmourne line require you to play a tank role, while wearing a 2 hander
19:39.21arkanes_that feels a little rough on the pallies and warriors
19:45.11steevmp
19:45.12steevno
19:45.41steevblood infusion is easy if you have the heals
19:45.46steev(we don't)
19:46.37steevyou just have to run in next to the tank and get hit by blood mirror for a second
19:47.36steevyou can get fucked by the rng though if during those few seconds, the off tank that normally soaks blood mirror gets hit by the thing that requires you to collapse
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20:01.25Repo10big-wigs: 03Maat * r7413 Citadel/LichKing.lua: fix up harvest soul so normal and heroic warnings don't mix
20:06.30Repo10libfail-1-0: 03Maat * r208 LibFail-1.0.lua: fix up necrotic plague
20:09.10yoshimodoes anyone know where i can find the kaelthas soundfiles in the mpqs? i just found the 5man files, im looking for the raid
20:09.43arkanes_the wowhead comments for the bosses often contain the gossip paths
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20:11.59yoshimoah there they are, but still i have the feeling blizzard messed them up here ;)
20:13.15yoshimoat least the chatlog has something different than the soundfile tells me
20:13.27Repo10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7414 Citadel/Valithria.lua:
20:13.29RepoCitadel/Valithria: revert 10man normal timers back to old timers, are they heroic timers maybe 7destiny? because you completely broke it.
20:13.51ckknightGnarfoz: no he does not
20:15.12Fiskerhey ckknight
20:15.19ckknighthey guy
20:15.27Fiskeri'm not your guy, friend
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20:18.52arkanes_big-wigs devs seem to spend an awful lot of time reverting peoples changes
20:19.02Pneumatusjust 7destinys
20:19.08Pneumatusbecuase he's a crazy korean or something
20:20.37Fiskerwhat was the timer Funkeh`?
20:20.38durcynhe's some dumbass localizer that thinks he knows something
20:20.50Fiskerhe does know everything!
20:22.19Gnarfozhe knows more than some of the main bw devs who don't even raid anymore :O
20:22.49Gnarfoz(i.e. his contributions, albeit some times weird, are valuable, because they come early and often, imho)
20:23.19Caleb|how are unaccurate early timers any good ? :S
20:23.49Gnarfozhow is a bossmod without timers any good
20:24.02Gnarfoz(quality of bw timers is a whole other issue)
20:25.15Caleb|they are pretty good mostly, aren't they?
20:25.31Caleb|what other addon has better timers?
20:25.47yoshimoif you mean dbm , its main devs dont raid either
20:26.02yoshimoits just mysticalos coding modules
20:31.31HjalteHas anyone used AVR while raiding? (Putricide for example)
20:31.33Hjaltehttp://www.wowace.com/addons/avr/
20:31.53HjalteI don't raid anymore, so I just fight imaginary dragons in Ironforge.
20:32.14HjalteBut it could be pretty awesome as a visual indicator
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20:33.11arkanes_I really want to use avr
20:33.24arkanes_but I can't escape the feeling that its ambition oversteps its abilities
20:33.39Primerhrmm, wouldn't blizz be pissed about something like this?
20:33.43yoshimoHjalte i would, but i havent access to groups that are able to really make use of it ;)
20:34.02yoshimoprimer, if they are , it will be fixed ;)
20:34.06arkanes_I haven't actually tried it, but a fundamental issue is you must have an accurate camera angle in order to accurately draw those shapes, and yuo don't
20:34.09Primerthat's what I'm thinking
20:35.10HjalteThe stuff it draws does get kind of wacky when eg. an object forces the camera to zoom. But otherwise it seems to work pretty well.
20:35.32arkanes_does it correctlty re-project the object if you move the camera, then?
20:35.36Gnarfozavr is fun for playing around
20:35.42Gnarfozstill haven't tried it out in a raid
20:35.44arkanes_cause I can't imagine how it does that :\
20:35.52arkanes_downloads code.
20:36.18NeoTronso does that avr thing somehow keep the drawings in the righ spot if you move or what?
20:36.20yoshimoarkanes, if you dont move the camera into a wall or the ground it will do it
20:36.32Hjaltearkanes_: Yep, you can move around. In Ironforge, or anywhere else with an even floor and lots of space above, you can pretty much move around anyway you want.
20:36.43NeoTronCaleb|: DXE perhaps?
20:36.43HjalteNeoTron: It does.
20:36.47arkanes_that seems kinda bizarre
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20:37.45Caleb|never tried DXE
20:37.57NeoTronso it must be doing shit depending on your position, camera angle and direction and stuff
20:38.25arkanes_oh I see
20:38.27NeoTronI will not compare BW/DBM/DXE accuracy but I must say I much prefer DXE configurability over BW
20:38.29arkanes_it hooks mouse up/down
20:38.34arkanes_and tracks the movement delta
20:38.44NeoTronability to set specific sounds and specific screen flashshes to specific events primarily
20:38.47arkanes_thats why it can detect normal movement but not camera collision
20:39.12arkanes_it would mess up if you use the smart camera + movement, too, which I do
20:40.04yoshimowell, not everything is available in api ;)
20:40.11arkanes_right, thats the problem with it :p
20:40.19arkanes_overly ambitious!
20:41.01arkanes_looks like it fiddles somewhat with the settable camera views to align itself
20:41.22yoshimoi think its a nice idea , and if its limited, its not so likely that blizz blocks it
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20:41.39RepoMake the text appear centered even when no pushback is incurred.
20:42.13arkanes_nobody has even talked about the real use-case, though
20:42.33arkanes_3-d online battlechess!
20:42.37arkanes_in wow!
20:42.56yoshimopong ;)
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22:17.00DWSRckknight: Is there a project "Aloft" still floating around in WA's repository system?
22:17.15ckknightprobably
22:17.17ckknightI dunno
22:18.53DWSRNothing shows up in the search, but that doesn't mean it's not there. Acapela (from WoWI) and myself are wondering if we can either takeover orget that repository dropped so that we can move the currently maintained version of Aloft over to WA.
22:20.23nevcairielAloft is ARR on WoWAce, any fork is not allowed
22:21.03nevcairielhttp://www.wowace.com/addons/project-4441/
22:21.07nevcairieland there it is ^
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22:24.10nevcairielthe wowi version is a license violation too, fwiw
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22:27.37DWSRnevcairiel: It's being maintained at WoWI atm by a different author. Can I get the current maintainer to contact you in order to get the page moved or do I have to contact the author of the project according to WA?
22:28.42nevcairielthe original author will have to agree to someone else maintaining it
22:28.49nevcairielfor all i know the wowi guy never had permission
22:29.23NivFreakin the meantime
22:29.25NivFreaktidyplates!
22:30.38DWSR(The author at WoWI has the permission of the previous author to take over the project, etc. etc. I'm not trying to pull a fast one or anything. :P)
22:30.41olafskican anyone tell me what the check marks in front of the set names in Outfitter mean? :s
22:31.03olafskibeen wondering that for ages
22:31.26DWSRolafski: That you have that outfit currently equipped.
22:32.29olafskibut I can have a checkmark in front of all 3 outfits.. tank, cat and resto
22:32.36olafskidoesn't seem like I have all 3 of them equipped
22:32.44nevcairielIf the WoWI guy had permission, he would've used the WoWAce project, imho
22:33.03DWSRnevcairiel: I've been talking to him, said that he likes WoWI better *shrug*.
22:33.28DWSRnevcairiel: I'm reading and he said that the project was marked abandoned when he started maintaining it at WoWI.
22:33.51nevcairielyes it is, but that doesnt magically unlock the license =)
22:34.15DWSRI'll talk to him about it and try to get it sorted out. It's pretty clear that the original author is not around any longer, though.
22:34.20Repo10deus-vox-encounters: 03kollektiv 07master * v456-19-g1798a58 / (3 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits]
22:34.21DWSRnevcairiel: No, that's true.
22:34.21Repo1798a58: Re-add Yogg Saron to Ulduar encounters
22:34.22Repofddde88: Lich King: Add 25h Shambling Horror Enrage spellid
22:34.23Repoa1f0d5c: Lich King: Add Shadow Trap warnings
22:34.24Repoa2e7a2d: Putricide: Add 25h Mutated Plague spellid
22:34.35nevcairielAgain, even if the author died, that doesnt put his code in public domain
22:34.49DWSRnevcairiel: By definition, isn't his code in the public domain? :P
22:35.59DWSRI've never thought of trying to reserve rights for projects that are distributed as source code to be rather...silly.
22:36.05DWSRs/never/always/
22:36.48nevcairieleh, its your code, just because its in readable form doesnt mean its free to take
22:36.51DWSRgrammar fail, but whatever.
22:37.27DWSRcan I report the project and state my intentions and take the project over?
22:37.27DWSR(As the page says to do)?
22:38.02DWSR(and of course assuming all goes well).
22:38.34nevcairielYou'll hear the same, unless you get the original authors permission
22:38.41Fiskerhey nevcairiel
22:38.42FiskerHEY
22:38.53Fisker*shifty eyes and so forth*
22:39.33DWSRnevcairiel: Paraphrasing the procedure page for this sort of thing and assuming that the author is incommunicado, can I take it over or no?
22:39.56DWSRIs there any possibility at all, or am I boned because it's AAR?
22:39.58DWSRARR*
22:40.35nevcairielWithout the explicit permission you can't just take over a ARR addon
22:41.23DWSRGot IP address logs for this guy's login? :P
22:41.33nevcairielif intended by the author or not, we have to stick to the rules
22:42.33DWSRYeah, I understand that and I'm not trying to make your life difficult. Just trying to understand if there was some way that you could force the issue since the project was hosted on WA.
22:42.38nevcairielfor some reason i dont have any details on his account
22:42.53nevcairiellooks like it wasnt active at all on the new page
22:44.10nevcairielanyway, the code is so damn old
22:44.18nevcairieljust be inspired by the idea and build a new one
22:45.41Wobintidyplates is pretty awesome
22:45.43Arrowmasteryeah that aloftbeta on wowi is trash too from what ive seen, you should just start from scratch
22:45.44Wobinas is threatplates
22:46.45Arrowmasteri do recall seeing the aloft author make either a forum post or a comment on wowi giving permission for others to continue it
22:47.36Arrowmasterdoes support starting from scratch but still calling it Aloft just to fuck with the AloftBeta author
22:48.13Arrowmasterif theres no major functionality loss
22:49.38DWSRArrowmaster: Can you run a search for me? I'm getting 2k IRC latency and really can't load any webpages.
22:50.09Arrowmasterdont remember where it was
22:50.27Arrowmasterfor all i know it could have been on the official forums
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22:59.00Wobindamn you tekkub
22:59.59DWSRnevcairiel: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=245289#post245289
23:00.19DWSRIs that explicit enough?
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23:03.20DWSROr do I need something as explicit as "I formally give you permission to maintain the project known as Aloft (located http://here) ...."
23:04.19ShadowedLast I looked, Aloft is being maintained by acapela
23:04.27DWSRShadowed: Yes, it is.
23:04.59DWSRTo paraphrase the scrollback, he and I were looking to move back to the WA VCS, but can't since Aloft is marked as ARR on Curse.
23:06.14DWSRSince Acapela is maintaining the project on WoWI, nevcairiel told me that we couldn't resolve the situation without explicit permission from the author. I've located that post, in which Roartindon (the previous author) gives his blessing to acapela, but I don't know if that's explicit enough, hence the question
23:06.50WobinPS
23:06.55Shadowedsecond
23:06.56WobinMaths is FUN: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/S4atK761gVI/AAAAAAAALJQ/4o-Nli1rMqs/s1600-h/spiral.jpg
23:07.23DWSRI know I'm probably being a huge PITA, but I'm just trying to be above board.
23:07.34DWSRWobin: Bookmarked. That is win.
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23:08.09Shadowednevcairiel: To be fair, nameplates haven't really changed much in code. It's the same huge hacks to use as they always were :P
23:09.23MegalonWobin: civil engineering too http://woshrug.free.fr/fun/archive/engineering.jpg
23:09.50DWSRSo anyway, I was just wondering if that forum post was explicit enough to allow acapela and myself to take over the old project.
23:10.08ShadowedHang on a minute DWSR.
23:10.13WobinMegalon, that certainly was built by a civil engineer...
23:10.18Wobinand not Nature =P
23:10.40Megalonyea, a very civil engineer :p
23:10.41DWSROk. If I'm unresponsive, it's because this shitty train internet is being intermittent. Apparently there's issues with the satellites.
23:10.48DWSRThe internet: It's a series of waves.
23:11.47Megalonno
23:11.51Megalona series of tubes!
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23:11.53quiescenswaves
23:11.54quiescens?
23:12.07DWSRMegalon: I'm on satellite/wireless internet atm.
23:12.09DWSRIt's a series of waves.
23:14.21Megalonnooooooooooooooooooo
23:14.22ShadowedDWSR: Should be a PM somewhere giving Acapela permission, but it's been lost in the mountain of PMs that is Cairenn's inbox
23:14.29Megalonthe tube get tunnel over waves!
23:18.03Megalonthat sentence lacks some letters
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23:25.02DWSRBack
23:29.55DWSRShadowed: Jury still out?
23:30.13Shadowed[15:14:16] <Shadowed> DWSR: Should be a PM somewhere giving Acapela permission, but it's been lost in the mountain of PMs that is Cairenn's inbox
23:30.22DWSRrofl
23:30.27Cairenn^^
23:30.34ShadowedBut yes, in all likelyhood Acapela has permission to takeover Aloft
23:30.44DWSRThe irony of the situation kills me.
23:31.19Cairennno "in all likelihood" - we wouldn't have transferred ownership to Acapela without said permission
23:31.40Shadowedwhat she said ^
23:31.47DWSRXD
23:32.40DWSRI love this channel.
23:32.47DWSRAnyway, that's good news.
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23:34.35DWSRAlright, so can you transfer the project to acapela and myself or should I forward this PM from acapela to Cairenn and hope she doesn't lose this one too? ;)
23:34.45Cairenn><
23:35.14Cairennforward me the PM
23:35.22DWSRSec.
23:35.24Cairenn(if it has to do with the project on WoWI)
23:35.47Fiskersuck on my chocolate salty balls Shadowed
23:36.25DWSRCairenn: Well, we're moving the repo over to WA's Git.
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23:36.47DWSRBut acapela was all leary because of the earlier problems he'd had getting commit access, so I told him I'd sort it all out.
23:36.57DWSRSince I've offered to help him with it.
23:37.30Cairennif it doesn't impact the mod on WoWI, it's really not anything I need to be dealing with
23:38.21Cairennand as far as I know, the only thing on WoWI is the "release" version, so .... not my problem :)
23:38.46DWSRCairenn: Yeah, but I figure you can at least vouch for the authenticity of the PM so I can actually get the repo dropped/control on WA.
23:38.59DWSRLike I said, just trying to be above board on everything
23:39.04Cairennnod
23:39.17DWSRshake.
23:39.19DWSRand bounce.
23:42.17DWSRThat's a copy of the PM.
23:42.30Cairennsent to me where?
23:42.50Cairennnm, got it
23:42.53DWSRyou wowi inbox, I also pastebinned it and sent a copy to Shadowed.
23:42.58DWSRyour*
23:43.07Cairennwhere were the original PMs exchanged? on WoWI, or elsewhere?
23:43.17Cairennnm
23:43.23Cairennreading through, it's obvious
23:43.35DWSR:P
23:43.44DWSRI can forward you the whole thread if you'd like.
23:43.50Cairennit's fine
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23:44.17DWSRCairenn: Hockey on tonight, btw?
23:44.44Cairennyes
23:44.54DWSRcanada vs who?
23:44.59CairennSweden
23:45.49DWSRpft, we win
23:46.10DWSR(I hope)
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23:46.55Cairennwanders back off to her usual haunts
23:47.45DWSRhuggles Cairebear
23:47.51Cairenn:)
23:50.09DWSRanyway, Shadowed: WTB project control plox.
23:50.25ShadowedI'm not a wowace admin :p
23:50.34DWSROh, yeah.
23:50.36DWSRdamnit.
23:50.42DWSRI get everyone so confused
23:50.46DWSRnevcairiel
23:51.01DWSRnevcairiel: WTB project control for Aloft please.
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