| 00:04.02 | Megalon | why would you have to be at blizzcon for a key |
| 00:05.02 | Shefki | Megalon: You don't, but it's a guranteed way to get one. |
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| 00:14.32 | Megalon | if one more friend of mine tells me he has a sc2 |
| 00:14.39 | Megalon | i'll have to rage >:< |
| 00:14.49 | Megalon | f000000000000 blizzard |
| 00:14.57 | Megalon | they are like handing keys left and right of me :< |
| 00:15.14 | Shefki | Megalon: I have a key. :P |
| 00:15.22 | Gnarfoz | but you're not a friend of his |
| 00:15.24 | Gnarfoz | so... |
| 00:15.35 | Shefki | Doesn't matter. |
| 00:15.50 | Gnarfoz | yeah yeah, we still agree: you suck :< |
| 00:16.32 | Megalon | ;7 |
| 00:17.52 | steev | wut is sc2 |
| 00:18.58 | pompy1 | http://kotaku.com/5474060/this-warcraft-player-will-not-go-quietly-into-the-night jeez :O |
| 00:18.59 | steev | why do i have a mail from blizzard |
| 00:24.04 | Matilda | Starcraft 2 looks nice. |
| 00:40.07 | Xtek | It's a lot of fun. |
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| 00:49.01 | Repo | 10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.2-1.0.2-7-g34ab239 Prefixes.lua: [+1 commit] Added detction of "Libzz". |
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| 00:51.57 | harl | what could be the reason for my whole game to get stalled for 1-2 seconds about 50 times when i'm in an instance, with my druid only? |
| 00:52.43 | Repo | 10ammo-matique: 03Anyia3 * r55 Ammo-matique.lua: |
| 00:52.44 | Repo | * Ammo-matique now switches ammo even for non-targetable enemies, such as |
| 00:52.45 | Repo | Saurfang and the Lich King pre-fight. |
| 00:54.09 | Repo | 10ammo-matique: 03Anyia3 042.0.1 * r56 : Tagging as 2.0.1 |
| 00:54.22 | NivFreak | such a funny addon |
| 01:04.20 | Repo | 10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 043.3.2-1.0.3 * dab81e3 /: [new tag, +1 commits] Tagging as 3.3.2-1.0.3 |
| 01:04.54 | Repo | 10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.2-1.0.3 Prefixes.lua: [+1 commit] Re-added "BOOTYCALL" prefix to resolve to "BootyCall (Jaycyn)". Changed "BTC" to resolve as "BootyCall (Rabbit)". Not ideal, but no real way around it. |
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| 02:49.01 | Repo | 10deus-vox-encounters: 03kollektiv 07master * v456-4-g095451c / (4 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits] |
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| 03:05.12 | Repo | 10ingelasrapture: 03ingela 04v1.3 * r25 : Tagging as v1.3 |
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| 03:45.30 | orionshock | !api SetFocus |
| 03:45.31 | lua_bot | EditBox:SetFocus: Focuses the edit box for keyboard input (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox/SetFocus) |
| 03:46.21 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 04v3.2.2 * a969da0 /: [new tag, +1 commits] Tagging as release 3.2.2 |
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| 05:20.23 | orionshock | nevcairiel, on Quartz3 settings > buff > focus, once disabled it disables the tab and thus you cannot reEnable it. probably same for target |
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| 06:34.21 | Groktar | hrm, how does DXE define sounds and stuff? |
| 06:34.28 | Groktar | trying to get the big bad wolf sound working |
| 06:42.10 | Groktar | meh, i just added Sound\\Creature\\HoodWolf\\HoodWolfTransformPlayer01.wav to media.lua |
| 06:42.17 | Groktar | so now i have bbw sound |
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| 07:03.40 | Groktar | shefki! |
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| 07:06.00 | Shefki | Groktar: ? |
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| 07:11.46 | Repo | 10quartz: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 3.0.1-beta-3-g79e9ad8 modules/Buff.lua: [+1 commit] Don't completly disable the options when disabling the buff modules, as we won't be able to turn them back on again otherwise. |
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| 07:18.34 | Repo | 10smartres2: 03myrroddin * r84 / (2 files in 1 directory): Code optimizations for the bars (Torhal) |
| 07:18.36 | Repo | Should fix random good resser bar going collision colour |
| 07:18.37 | Repo | Bad resser duplicate chat spam code should work as intended |
| 07:20.26 | Repo | 10smartres2: 03myrroddin 04Beta 1.00 * r85 : Tagging as Beta 1.00 |
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| 07:21.22 | Groktar | cheers at Shefki |
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| 07:21.44 | Fisker | AckisWork |
| 07:21.46 | Fisker | why won't you die? |
| 07:22.02 | Myrroddin | ~cheer |
| 07:22.03 | purl | shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. |
| 07:22.25 | Groktar | ~cheer Myrroddin |
| 07:22.26 | purl | ACTION cheers Myrroddin on |
| 07:22.37 | Myrroddin | not sure how to do the cheer emote, but SmartRes2 finally, FINALLY in beta!! |
| 07:23.01 | Groktar | ~trout Myrroddin |
| 07:23.02 | purl | ACTION slaps Myrroddin around a bit with a large trout! |
| 07:23.17 | Groktar | Shefki: big bad wolf emote in dxe no workie |
| 07:23.24 | Myrroddin | or the trout emote... i wants to learn, i does! |
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| 07:36.06 | Repo | 10libfail-1-0: 03mysticalos * r202 LibFail-1.0.lua: |
| 07:36.08 | Repo | Last tweak made had logic fail and caused the 2 fails not to work. (was using = and not >) so lets try this. Hopefully not broken and spamming fails, but also working for people who stand in death and decay and flame cinder. |
| 07:36.58 | Groktar | moos at MysticalOS |
| 07:39.29 | quiescens | moo |
| 07:42.21 | Elkano | the logic failed so the fails failed? |
| 07:42.43 | nevcairiel | its always funny when libfail fails :P |
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| 07:44.42 | Fisker | neat |
| 07:44.52 | Fisker | one more reason why gearscores are awesome |
| 07:45.10 | Fisker | Was grouped with someone that had an average item level of 250 |
| 07:45.22 | Fisker | He had like 9 pieces of itemlevel 268 gear |
| 07:45.27 | Fisker | 264 i think it is |
| 07:45.48 | Fisker | And the rest was 245+ with the exception of trinkets ofc |
| 07:46.07 | Fisker | His dps on the first boss was below mine, and on cindragosa with bloodlust he did 5k |
| 07:46.13 | Fisker | and he attacked mobs from the front |
| 07:46.13 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 07:49.19 | Myrroddin | ~trout |
| 07:54.57 | Primer | WOW |
| 07:55.06 | Primer | All my pitbull settings are GONE |
| 07:55.51 | quiescens | grats |
| 07:56.25 | Primer | O |
| 07:56.26 | Primer | M |
| 07:56.27 | Primer | F |
| 07:56.27 | Primer | G |
| 07:56.31 | Primer | This is not happening |
| 07:56.39 | quiescens | ): |
| 07:56.50 | Shefki | B |
| 07:56.51 | Shefki | A |
| 07:56.52 | Shefki | C |
| 07:56.52 | Shefki | K |
| 07:56.53 | Shefki | U |
| 07:56.56 | Shefki | P |
| 07:57.28 | Primer | I usually rsync to my laptop, but I haven't done that in a while, plus my laptop has a different resolution |
| 07:59.43 | Fisker | H |
| 07:59.43 | Fisker | E |
| 07:59.43 | Fisker | Y |
| 07:59.43 | Fisker | G |
| 07:59.44 | Fisker | U |
| 07:59.44 | Fisker | Y |
| 07:59.45 | Fisker | S |
| 07:59.45 | Fisker | ST |
| 07:59.47 | Fisker | T |
| 07:59.47 | Fisker | O |
| 07:59.48 | Fisker | P |
| 07:59.48 | Fisker | I |
| 07:59.49 | Fisker | T |
| 07:59.57 | Shefki | N |
| 07:59.58 | Shefki | O |
| 08:00.23 | Fisker | W |
| 08:00.24 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 08:23.48 | Repo | 10spamalyzer: 03yoshimo 07master * 3.3.2-1.0.3-1-gc56f43f Prefixes.lua: [+1 commit] Added: BGSoundAlerts 2 |
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| 08:56.10 | Myrroddin | gah. wowinterface's SVN system is really awkward compared to curse's |
| 08:56.29 | Myrroddin | or maybe i'm just used to the curse/wowace system |
| 08:59.27 | quiescens | probably |
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| 09:42.26 | yoshimo | if the groupcomposition of a 5man changes, because the leader left or someone else was promoted, the colors in grid are wrong for a while |
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| 10:34.36 | Repo | 10banana-dkp: 03Rabbit * r153 / (4 files in 1 directory): |
| 10:34.38 | Repo | Remove the dewdrop (finally) and implement a slash command + interface options instead. |
| 10:41.09 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.2.2-1-gf67117b / (2 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 10:41.10 | Repo | f67117b: Fixed cast bar options not showing up, caused by a typo + upgrade code being removed |
| 10:41.12 | Repo | 8f952fb: Fixed error when relocking frames that would sometimes show up |
| 10:41.13 | Repo | 7eff51f: Fixed error when unlocking rframes with raid pets enabled |
| 10:41.25 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 04v3.2.3 * 5b828ec /: [new tag] Tagging as release 3.2.3 |
| 10:45.41 | Elkano | hmmm Phanx isn't on IRC, is he? |
| 10:46.12 | SunTsu | ~seen phanx |
| 10:46.16 | purl | phanx <n=phanx133@adsl-69-228-222-93.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 512d 10h 2m 44s ago, saying: 'Gnarfoz: thanks for committing that, btw'. |
| 10:46.24 | Shadowed | the answer seems to be no |
| 10:46.55 | SunTsu | away for a coffee break, it seems |
| 10:47.38 | Elkano | hmpf... anyone has an idea when Grid's 'by class' layout was changed? |
| 10:49.13 | Elkano | ah, found it, 12/27 :/ |
| 10:50.29 | wink | anyone noticed that the Horde equivalent of "Alliance Vanguard" is gone on armory rep tabs? |
| 10:51.21 | nevcairiel | Removing the Horde from the game - one reputation at a time. |
| 10:51.49 | wink | :( |
| 10:52.19 | Torhal | Myrroddin: Why are you even bothering with WoWI's SVN when you have a repo with WoWAce? |
| 10:52.51 | wink | "Horde Expedition" is still there, just before "The Kalu'ak" - but Alliance has an own section |
| 10:52.55 | wink | and Taunka are missing |
| 10:53.45 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt know, i never played a horde char past level 20 |
| 10:53.56 | wink | tsk tsk |
| 10:54.04 | wink | so the Barrens broke your will? :P |
| 10:54.16 | Torhal | Myrroddin: If all you're wanting to do is update your files on WoWI, this may help: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7633-WoWIModUploader.html |
| 10:54.36 | Torhal | Though I personally just download what the packager makes and upload it manually. |
| 10:54.57 | Repo | 10quartz: 03Nevcairiel 043.0.2 * fd39305 /: [new tag] Tag as 3.0.2 |
| 10:55.14 | Torhal | nevcairiel: We all have our faults. |
| 10:55.16 | Torhal | <.< |
| 10:55.18 | Torhal | >.> |
| 10:55.24 | wink | \o\ |
| 10:55.26 | wink | /o/ |
| 11:00.19 | sb|work | @describe autopartybuttons |
| 11:00.22 | Repo | sb|work: http://www.wowace.com/addons/autopartybuttons/. AutoPartyButtons. AutoPartyButtons A basic addon to provide a set of macros for commonly used spells that apply to a role of the group be it in... |
| 11:05.50 | Repo | 10bootycall: 03Rabbit * r11 mmmbooty.lua: Doh, send a pong. |
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| 11:27.30 | vhaarr | The drop rate of Frost Lotus, from herbs in Northrend, has been increased by 50%. |
| 11:27.33 | vhaarr | damn |
| 11:27.38 | nevcairiel | again? |
| 11:27.54 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 11:27.59 | vhaarr | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/23/22748763261-recent-ingame-fixes--february-2010--23.htm |
| 11:28.12 | nevcairiel | that'll probably make farming ulduar for lotus not so valuable anymore |
| 11:28.20 | vhaarr | well that's good 1 flask on my server costs 28-35g |
| 11:28.39 | vhaarr | and after the alchemy changes to make 2 flasks every time, the price did NOT change on my server |
| 11:28.43 | nevcairiel | huh that link doesnt work for me |
| 11:28.43 | vhaarr | when they went from 2h to 1 |
| 11:29.12 | vhaarr | ehm |
| 11:29.17 | vhaarr | doesn't work here either, what the hell |
| 11:29.27 | nevcairiel | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/23/22748763261-recent-ingame-fixes--february-2010--23.html |
| 11:29.27 | vhaarr | ah I forgot the L at the enmd |
| 11:29.30 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 11:29.32 | vhaarr | end* |
| 11:29.46 | nevcairiel | was in the first few posts anyway |
| 11:30.07 | koaschten | vhaarr flasks on my server currently are 50g |
| 11:30.15 | koaschten | and spike to 80 on wednesday/thursday |
| 11:30.17 | vhaarr | that's insane dude, good luck with that |
| 11:30.28 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: not like that change will actually change the price, it'll just make it easier to earn money :d |
| 11:30.44 | vhaarr | yeah just like the 2h to 1h change |
| 11:30.59 | vhaarr | I don't understand why they made that change |
| 11:31.19 | koaschten | so people dont feel pressed to play another TWO hours because they just used a 50g consumable |
| 11:31.24 | vhaarr | to me, the best thing about flasks was that I didn't have to think about it 24/7 |
| 11:31.28 | SunTsu | vhaarr: I do, because our raids were 3h |
| 11:31.40 | vhaarr | you can afford it |
| 11:31.41 | nevcairiel | So people are more likely to use a flask, and not be "but its 2 hours, and we're only here for 45 minutes" |
| 11:31.55 | vhaarr | yes fine :p |
| 11:32.02 | koaschten | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Aldi-Notebook-mit-Optimus-Grafik-im-Test-933584.html |
| 11:32.16 | koaschten | hmm didnt expect that they would get to the market that quickly with Optimus Notebooks |
| 11:32.28 | SunTsu | vhaarr: I sure could afford it, but people tend to be cheap on that |
| 11:32.40 | vhaarr | yeah then they don't deserve the raid spot anyway |
| 11:33.01 | nevcairiel | 4 hour flasks was pretty nice though |
| 11:33.08 | nevcairiel | use one, forget the whole evening |
| 11:33.18 | nevcairiel | (alchemist :D) |
| 11:33.45 | SunTsu | I don't like to waste things, though, and having to use a 2h flask for one hour of rate felt like wasting |
| 11:34.02 | SunTsu | s/rate/raid/ |
| 11:34.07 | SunTsu | d'oh |
| 11:35.15 | nevcairiel | I'm totally neutral on the change, i collect my own shit and make flasks, so nothing changed |
| 11:35.45 | nevcairiel | since i usually dont sell flasks either.. meh |
| 11:35.49 | nevcairiel | but i should, maybe |
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| 11:40.23 | wink | I always feel bad popping a flask when I'm already #1 on damage :P |
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| 11:41.51 | wink | and actually I can't stand it when people whine about missing consumables, it's so much less important than paying attention |
| 11:42.15 | evl | I flask for dailies |
| 11:42.19 | evl | you must be poor |
| 11:42.20 | evl | :( |
| 11:42.33 | nevcairiel | then again, why do you do that? |
| 11:42.43 | nevcairiel | it wont really be faster |
| 11:42.53 | nevcairiel | since most time you spent traveling or looking for stuff anyway |
| 11:42.55 | SunTsu | I use up potions while leveling |
| 11:43.19 | SunTsu | every little bit of "more power *grunts*" helps |
| 11:44.15 | wink | I still have potions from a year ago |
| 11:44.24 | wink | I *always* forget to use em |
| 11:44.47 | nevcairiel | i use up my potions pretty good |
| 11:44.54 | wink | I only use em inraid |
| 11:45.04 | nevcairiel | but then i only carry those alchemists potions that are damn cheap and work as both health/mana |
| 11:45.09 | wink | but I still have some spirit branch thingies from last year |
| 11:45.38 | wink | maybe I should adjust my Cork to shout USE FLASK NOOB |
| 11:45.58 | wink | then again I don't find 180 AP very noticeable |
| 11:46.15 | nevcairiel | for leveling .. its pointless |
| 11:46.22 | SunTsu | wink: if people don't use consumables in progress raids it's a big fail to me |
| 11:46.47 | wink | see above :P |
| 11:47.04 | nevcairiel | i do notice a slight difference in my mana pool when i take all those mana regen consumables |
| 11:47.04 | wink | I have 4592 AP unbuffed |
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| 11:47.27 | wink | so aflask would be 4% AP increase |
| 11:47.38 | nevcairiel | i switched to a mana-regen flask in some ICC raid, and it did make a difference .. or i just played differently :) |
| 11:47.54 | wink | let me check my spreadsheet |
| 11:48.21 | nevcairiel | we all know that flasks for DPS won't give you that insane boost, but hey, it could be the last % missing |
| 11:48.24 | SunTsu | wink: plus 80 ap from food, is 260 ap - multiplied by members of raid, so... |
| 11:48.25 | evl | wink: then again we killed LK this week with 1 guy left frostshocking for 6k |
| 11:48.41 | evl | if there are margins to obtain, why not? |
| 11:48.43 | wink | evl: I know, but that's one in a hundred wipes |
| 11:48.45 | quiescens | it cuts both ways |
| 11:48.52 | quiescens | why bother using epic gems |
| 11:48.53 | evl | not using consumables is slacking |
| 11:49.03 | quiescens | it only gives you a couple points here and there right |
| 11:49.03 | evl | why bother running a sub optimal character |
| 11:49.15 | SunTsu | people go longer ways to get +5ap on any equipment item |
| 11:49.35 | wink | when I do 7k on a boss like Festergut and someone does 4k - why would I bother? |
| 11:49.58 | nevcairiel | Because you try to be your best! |
| 11:50.12 | wink | and when I was flasked and everything. and it's a 1% wipe.. the only thing I can do is clip some more envenoms |
| 11:50.27 | wink | and pay 100% attention instead of probably only 95% |
| 11:50.48 | wink | I'm a big fan of "login, start to play" and not check buffs :) |
| 11:50.58 | wink | think that's what you get for 4 years of Rogue |
| 11:51.09 | wink | after they took Swirly Ball.. I never buffed anything |
| 11:51.22 | nevcairiel | buffing is trivial anyway |
| 11:51.23 | SunTsu | wink: because having a wipe at 1% because people didn't use consumables hurts a lot |
| 11:51.26 | nevcairiel | its one button more to press |
| 11:51.49 | nevcairiel | it just gets in your rotation somewhere :) |
| 11:51.52 | wink | poisons is 4 clicks, flask is 1 click, feast is 1 click |
| 11:52.01 | wink | that's 6 clicks, not 1 button! |
| 11:52.02 | wink | :) |
| 11:52.20 | nevcairiel | so i actually buff everyone in the raid, and have less clicks to do! |
| 11:52.21 | nevcairiel | yay .) |
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| 11:52.42 | wink | SunTsu: I know, but I'm still too frustrated to acknowledge that when not all dps are at least similar in throughput :P |
| 11:53.15 | kandarz | Gah comcast, fix your internet |
| 11:53.18 | nevcairiel | since they removed those oils for caster weapons, its really not much of an effort anymore |
| 11:53.28 | wink | tis the same then that I lose every will to raid when I manage to be top dps again. I only see a challenge when I have someone to beat :P |
| 11:53.29 | nevcairiel | i always forgot those |
| 11:53.35 | wink | haha yea |
| 11:53.38 | wink | Sharpening Stones! |
| 11:53.50 | wink | Fel Reaver. gah |
| 11:53.59 | nevcairiel | I love that guy |
| 11:54.03 | wink | think I always supplied stones for half the raid |
| 11:54.06 | wink | because no one even had some |
| 11:54.10 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:54.23 | wink | "I R ROGUE, I HAS POISON" |
| 11:54.26 | wink | *slap* |
| 11:54.26 | olafski | I flask for raids.. and use my alchemist flask outside raids |
| 11:54.48 | olafski | but why not? as some people said, why bother getting better gear if you don't flask up? |
| 11:54.58 | nevcairiel | alchemist flask? |
| 11:54.59 | wink | olafski: yes, I'd rather pay 4k gold for a permanent +180 AP flask |
| 11:55.07 | wink | than always take new ones |
| 11:55.10 | wink | or let's say 10k |
| 11:55.36 | olafski | nevcairiel: yes.. :) |
| 11:55.45 | nevcairiel | oh that arena thing? |
| 11:55.46 | olafski | nevcairiel: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47499 |
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| 11:55.47 | olafski | yeh |
| 11:55.59 | nevcairiel | i need to make one of those |
| 11:56.17 | SunTsu | The good thing about alts is: you can use up all the old buff consumables that nobody buys anymorew |
| 11:56.18 | olafski | wink: but why? get an addon that warns you when you're not using a flask and bam, saved yourself a load of cash :P |
| 11:56.34 | wink | that's not the point |
| 11:56.43 | wink | I hate to "spend money" - no matter the amount |
| 11:56.49 | wink | so I'd rather pay once - an insane amount |
| 11:56.58 | wink | than 1-3 flasks per raidnight |
| 11:56.59 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:57.10 | evl | so 150g per raid night in flasks |
| 11:57.18 | evl | with the avg income of 25g per boss |
| 11:57.26 | olafski | not on progress raids |
| 11:57.35 | wink | so it's 6*25g earned on day in ICC |
| 11:57.41 | nevcairiel | just need to make more progress, then |
| 11:57.41 | wink | and 3*25g spent on day 2 |
| 11:57.52 | wink | err |
| 11:57.53 | evl | shrug I don't know |
| 11:57.53 | wink | 3 |
| 11:58.02 | evl | I've never raidet without flask since MC |
| 11:58.06 | evl | or food for that matter |
| 11:58.20 | wink | I also forget food |
| 11:58.24 | evl | I have about 10k gold and I plan to spend it all before cataclysm |
| 11:58.25 | nevcairiel | i stopped carrying food around since some dude will always put up a fish |
| 11:58.31 | wink | because the fat taurens always sit on the feasts :/ |
| 11:58.37 | SunTsu | evl: I did, but only if I was overpowered seriously for that raid |
| 11:58.47 | nevcairiel | i just put some fishes into the guild bank now and then |
| 11:58.51 | evl | why not be more overpowered |
| 11:59.00 | evl | I fail to see the logics of not flasking/fooding for farm raids |
| 11:59.04 | evl | raid time = boring time |
| 11:59.13 | evl | if you clear faster, less boring time! |
| 11:59.27 | evl | *farm raid time = boring time |
| 11:59.59 | wink | just that you don't clear faster with 5 people at 2% more damage |
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| 12:00.07 | wink | that's exactly that - 2% more damage |
| 12:00.18 | evl | so a farm raid takes 3 hours |
| 12:00.34 | wink | and I save 4min your logic |
| 12:00.41 | SunTsu | evl: because it doesn't make that big a difference and spending more gold for farming somehow does not make sense to me |
| 12:01.06 | evl | I like to be at my best |
| 12:01.08 | wink | this could easily evolve into a discussion of the defintion of "farm" now :) |
| 12:01.08 | evl | :) |
| 12:01.19 | wink | and why the 2nd kill on some bosses seems so trivial |
| 12:01.31 | wink | even if you made your first kill with 2 of 10 alive or so |
| 12:01.39 | wink | and wiped for a few hours before |
| 12:02.16 | SunTsu | wink: as I said, I stop flasking if I am at least one tier ahead of the content I'm in |
| 12:02.37 | wink | you cant say that anymore |
| 12:02.43 | nevcairiel | I flask on every raid, and i would expect everyone else to do so, just as a sign of real commitment to the raid, and not just being carryed through it |
| 12:02.53 | wink | I find yogg still harder than marrowgar |
| 12:03.06 | koaschten | Refer a friend to the rescue! -> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-feed.xml?cn=Gytha&r=Vashj |
| 12:03.16 | SunTsu | well, except with my tank, he always gets any buff he can get, just to be sure |
| 12:03.39 | wink | koaschten: how does that work? more than 30lvls? referred 2ppl`? |
| 12:03.39 | SunTsu | wink: but is it harder in dps race or in execution? |
| 12:03.46 | koaschten | i think he did 4 ;) |
| 12:04.58 | SunTsu | speaking of buff management, where the heck is Zeksie and when will he start fixing ZOMGBuffs again? |
| 12:05.35 | nevcairiel | he vanished quite a while ago already |
| 12:05.45 | SunTsu | yeah, I noticed that |
| 12:05.49 | quiescens | o.o |
| 12:05.59 | nevcairiel | ~seen zeksie |
| 12:06.01 | purl | zeksie <n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust23.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 64d 12h 37m 34s ago, saying: '(enjoy)'. |
| 12:06.01 | nevcairiel | ~seen zek |
| 12:06.02 | purl | zek <n=zeksie@cpc1-nott9-0-0-cust756.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 115d 19h 35m 58s ago, saying: 'moo'. |
| 12:06.09 | quiescens | enjoy~ |
| 12:06.13 | nevcairiel | there you have it, two month |
| 12:07.45 | SunTsu | I know, I just wondered about his absence, because he seems to be around some how |
| 12:08.09 | nevcairiel | how does he seem to be around? |
| 12:08.36 | SunTsu | r150 of ZOMG is from February 7th |
| 12:09.13 | nevcairiel | except that someone else did that change |
| 12:09.22 | nevcairiel | his last change was on jan 3rd |
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| 12:10.08 | wink | rofl new xkcd |
| 12:10.11 | wink | awesome |
| 12:10.19 | SunTsu | still, jan 3rd < 64 days |
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| 12:12.57 | mitch0 | it's indeed one of the funny ones |
| 12:13.06 | mitch0 | unfortunately most of them are crap (imo) |
| 12:21.08 | Dessa | SunTsu: well, i seen a commit from Zeksie on 3rd feb on Utopia, but thats it |
| 12:21.20 | Dessa | he is also not responsive on PMs <.< |
| 12:22.13 | koaschten | obvious sign for being wednesday or thursday on my realm? [Trade] WTB Frost Lotus 70g PST |
| 12:22.50 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 12:22.55 | Fisker | people exploit ulduar a lot |
| 12:23.05 | Fisker | and before ulduar Frost Lotus were like 20-30g each |
| 12:23.10 | Fisker | also after ulduar |
| 12:23.18 | Fisker | it's infact not until now that they've been so high the prices |
| 12:23.19 | nevcairiel | after ulduar people are just rich |
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| 12:53.40 | asmodai | sighs |
| 12:53.48 | asmodai | some idiot is livestreaming his SC2 beta |
| 12:53.59 | asmodai | wonders how long it takes before he loses his access. |
| 12:54.25 | olafski | but he'll be famous by then! |
| 12:55.48 | asmodai | that's for sure |
| 12:56.09 | nevcairiel | Are you sure its not allowed? |
| 12:56.35 | nevcairiel | When Wotlk officially went beta there were no restrictions on information you could share |
| 12:56.46 | nevcairiel | before in the alpha .. that was another matter |
| 12:57.20 | Fisker | it is allowed asmodai |
| 12:57.22 | nevcairiel | signed NDA and all that |
| 12:57.43 | Fisker | all their betas start with a "OMG YOU CANNOT EVER EVER DISCLOSE ANYTHING YOU FUCKING MORON, GET IT?" |
| 12:57.50 | Fisker | And all betas start with the NDA being lifted |
| 12:58.03 | Fisker | Someone shared the downloader |
| 12:58.05 | evl | maybe they realized it's 2010 and it'll leak anyway |
| 12:58.11 | Fisker | and as it's account bound he'll probably get inc rape |
| 12:58.22 | Fisker | Or maybe they always did that evl |
| 12:58.25 | nevcairiel | they never limited beta information |
| 12:58.37 | nevcairiel | only alpha, and that was protected by a NDA, so people are afraid to share too much |
| 12:58.53 | Fisker | Actually you should read the beta agreements |
| 12:59.01 | Fisker | they do state you cannot share anything |
| 12:59.10 | Fisker | But as i said it's instantly lifted by a post on the forums |
| 12:59.24 | Fisker | It's probably just there in case something goes wrong |
| 13:00.21 | nevcairiel | on another note, i'm just writing a section about the spring framework for my thesis, and i just noticed how awesome it really is |
| 13:01.01 | olafski | I should really get into that some day |
| 13:01.20 | olafski | your talk about activerecord the other day got me to upgrading php on my webserver so I could use php activerecord :< |
| 13:01.29 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 13:01.45 | nevcairiel | covering ruby is next, i hope to finish java in an hour or so |
| 13:01.56 | krka_ | spring? awesome? |
| 13:01.57 | krka_ | really? |
| 13:04.17 | nevcairiel | in comparison with other java stuff, yeah |
| 13:04.35 | olafski | ruby whee |
| 13:04.43 | krka | what were you using spring for? |
| 13:04.53 | olafski | having used php without any frameworks for years, ruby on rails was so nice to see :P |
| 13:04.59 | krka | i personally found spring to be xml hell and very rigid in what you could do |
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| 13:05.13 | krka | but it works nicely when you set it up according to the spring model |
| 13:05.32 | krka | for the dependency injection, i like guice |
| 13:05.37 | nevcairiel | the xml configs tend to be a bit annoying, but its not that bad |
| 13:05.54 | nevcairiel | not like struts <.< |
| 13:06.29 | evl | We use Symfony here |
| 13:06.38 | nevcairiel | i didnt even look at php :d |
| 13:06.45 | evl | Pretty good so far. |
| 13:06.51 | krka | tried guice? |
| 13:07.02 | krka | configuration in code is nice |
| 13:07.06 | Zarnivoop | grails is very cool, and built on spring |
| 13:07.16 | nevcairiel | grails is built on groovy |
| 13:07.19 | krka | groovy is fail |
| 13:07.31 | Zarnivoop | grails uses spring |
| 13:07.45 | nevcairiel | i suggested that a while ago, but the idea was to stick to java, and try to optimize that |
| 13:08.11 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: planning anything on python/django? |
| 13:08.37 | nevcairiel | krka: also i love the hibernate integration into spring, hibernatedaosupport and hibernatetemplate = so easy |
| 13:08.52 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: yeah, thats up too |
| 13:08.53 | krka | dont even get me started on hibernate :/ |
| 13:08.57 | nevcairiel | java, ruby and python |
| 13:10.55 | nevcairiel | anyway i should really finish the java part now, i'm running low on time |
| 13:11.06 | olafski | is this a master's thesis? |
| 13:11.14 | nevcairiel | bachelor |
| 13:13.41 | Zarnivoop | krka: why do you dislike groovy? |
| 13:15.02 | olafski | mkay |
| 13:16.56 | krka | too many magical operators and too much redundancy |
| 13:18.28 | olafski | magic is what makes ruby rock though |
| 13:18.32 | olafski | why not add some magic to java ;) |
| 13:19.09 | evl | what's magic about java :P |
| 13:19.20 | evl | I sit in Eclipse all day and it doesn't feel magic, it feels 90s |
| 13:19.34 | olafski | as I said, add some |
| 13:20.12 | evl | I just don't think the future is compiled |
| 13:20.39 | nevcairiel | python also compiles, just that it does it on the fly |
| 13:20.55 | evl | yeah that's what I was going to say |
| 13:21.05 | evl | scripts -> optimized cached bytecode |
| 13:21.09 | olafski | if the future were compiled we'd be able to run it already! |
| 13:21.35 | nevcairiel | thats different to java, how? :d |
| 13:21.45 | nevcairiel | except that you compile at different times |
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| 13:25.26 | wink | lol buzzword bingo |
| 13:25.29 | wink | and I missed it |
| 13:25.40 | Zarnivoop | I find groovy's main drawback to be that it causes acute laziness |
| 13:25.43 | wink | I've rewritten a site in fjango yesterday |
| 13:25.47 | wink | *django |
| 13:25.49 | wink | I'm in love |
| 13:27.01 | nevcairiel | django is awesome |
| 13:27.07 | nevcairiel | i prefer it over rails any day |
| 13:28.01 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: I despised web development for some time - and along came django and suddenly it was fun |
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| 13:28.33 | SunTsu | actually I despised it since the time of php3 |
| 13:28.47 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7343 Citadel (2 files in 1 directory): Citadel/Marrowgar: Fix Bone Storm timer for heroic. |
| 13:28.49 | Repo | Citadel/Sindragosa: Add missing spellID |
| 13:29.18 | Fisker | Zarnivoop |
| 13:29.20 | Fisker | i'm dying ;_; |
| 13:29.38 | Zarnivoop | yay |
| 13:29.57 | Fisker | no! |
| 13:30.08 | Fisker | i want sc2 beta ;_; |
| 13:30.44 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: despising php is good for your sanity |
| 13:31.07 | nevcairiel | i'm actually a professional java web developer now .. a few years ago i would've said java is insane, but hey .. what can you do |
| 13:33.55 | yoshimo | become insane as well? |
| 13:34.11 | nevcairiel | its not that bad |
| 13:34.18 | nevcairiel | its not like we work with struts and EJB2 :P |
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| 13:36.56 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: what do you like about django, out of curiosity? |
| 13:37.23 | Fisker | sneaks a beta key out of Antiarc's pocket |
| 13:39.26 | nevcairiel | I mostly prefer the approach of a "Glue"-Framework, so take some components, throw them in a box and start working .. never had a feeling for those big all-in-one things |
| 13:39.33 | nevcairiel | but django seemed to do it properly |
| 13:39.50 | nevcairiel | was just the overall feeling that made me like it, couldnt pin it on something in particular |
| 13:39.57 | nevcairiel | also, i never really liked ruby as a language |
| 13:40.05 | nevcairiel | python is <3 |
| 13:41.09 | olafski | :( |
| 13:41.18 | olafski | never looked at django :P |
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| 13:45.23 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: it was not exactly php I disliked, it was the whole web development, the need to think in pages and stuff. django just feels like a programmable CMS |
| 13:47.42 | sb|work | err Fisker, giev sc2 key |
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| 13:48.55 | Antiarc | django's on my to-do list, but I'm pretty invested in Rails right now |
| 13:49.06 | Antiarc | But I adore Ruby as a language, so that might be the breaking factor for me |
| 13:50.04 | Antiarc | Rails 3 is moving a lot more towards the "glue the bits you want together" sort of approach, at any rate |
| 13:50.37 | Fisker | no u sb|work |
| 13:53.16 | SunTsu | Antiarc: I didn't know anything about python nor ruby and I took a short look into both rails and django and fell in love instantly. I liked ruby better, yeah, but I was mainly interested in building a web interface, so that was my main concern |
| 13:54.19 | Antiarc | If you're comfy with HTML and CSS, you might consider trying HAML and SASS, if you haven't yet. |
| 13:54.28 | Antiarc | You write a lot less view code that way. |
| 13:54.31 | Antiarc | Very nice stuff. |
| 13:55.03 | olafski | I saw some css preprocessing thing.. wanted to use it for my gf's website but it seemed to .. not be available for php :< |
| 13:55.03 | nevcairiel | sass is awesome, but i didnt manage to use it in a big project yet |
| 13:55.41 | Antiarc | sass is marvelous, if for no other reason than I can abstract out the vendor-specific CSS3 stuff into macros |
| 13:55.50 | Antiarc | (though there are many more reasons to love it) |
| 13:56.59 | SunTsu | Antiarc: I normally hate web stuff - except when doing it with django/python |
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| 14:04.29 | Antiarc | I'm building a Rails site against MongoDB right now, actually. |
| 14:04.32 | Antiarc | Very interesting stuff. |
| 14:04.39 | Antiarc | Mongo's got a lot of promise. |
| 14:07.44 | Yivry | looks like Im the only one who hates frameworks :p |
| 14:08.24 | olafski | nono |
| 14:08.26 | Fisker | ~seen AckisWork |
| 14:08.29 | purl | ackiswork is currently on #wowuidev (8h 41m 46s) #arl (8h 41m 46s) #wowace (8h 41m 46s) #curseforge (8h 41m 46s), last said: 'you can talk here?'. |
| 14:08.34 | olafski | asmodai had a student who hates them too yesterday, yivry |
| 14:09.15 | Yivry | ouch that makes me feel very young... |
| 14:09.24 | Antiarc | It may just be that you haven't found the right framework yet |
| 14:09.31 | Antiarc | Or you haven't had a project that justifies one |
| 14:09.43 | Yivry | combo of both I guess |
| 14:09.46 | arkanes | beginners often hate frameworks |
| 14:09.54 | Antiarc | I spent enough writing frameworkless PHP apps that I'm very grateful for Rails now :P |
| 14:09.57 | arkanes | also old crufty dudes |
| 14:09.57 | Antiarc | enough time* |
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| 14:10.12 | arkanes | its that glorous productive span in the middle where you use them :P |
| 14:12.13 | Yivry | Ace is nice though >.< |
| 14:12.26 | Yivry | was very against that too untill I started using it |
| 14:12.45 | arkanes | Yivry: I've found that people who hate frameworks often mean they hate the API this one framework they used had |
| 14:12.51 | olafski | antiarc: yeah.. good times :) |
| 14:13.15 | Antiarc | Frameworks mean learning curve, which is why I hated them in my less enlightned times past. |
| 14:13.38 | olafski | I'd almost say that getting started with rails is easier than with php |
| 14:13.43 | Antiarc | But once you've done enough raw labor to understand what they save you, the learning curve is less work :P |
| 14:13.47 | arkanes | yeah, learning things is always less interesting than writing stuff |
| 14:13.58 | Antiarc | Eh, PHP is easy, because you don't have to comprehend MVC or get tripped up by Ruby's metaprogramming. |
| 14:14.14 | Antiarc | But, it's those very things that tend to make it weak as your scope grows. |
| 14:14.17 | arkanes | and when you don't know what you don't know, you don't realize how many man-years of experience is inside the framework, correcting for things that you don'tknow exist |
| 14:14.21 | olafski | sure.. but compare "your first php website with a database" with that rails book (forgot the title, have it on my shelf :)) |
| 14:15.45 | olafski | of course for someone who has no clue what a database is, either method would look arcane |
| 14:16.02 | olafski | I've tried to explain to my gf that what I do with web development has nothing to do with what she does, but it's hard to get the point across :< |
| 14:16.27 | Yivry | what does she do? |
| 14:17.30 | olafski | "design" |
| 14:17.35 | olafski | dunno how to translate it.. lemme think |
| 14:17.44 | olafski | let's just call it graphics design |
| 14:17.45 | Antiarc | graphic design? Front-end work? |
| 14:17.54 | olafski | yeah.. she makes layouts, flyers, cd covers etc |
| 14:17.59 | Antiarc | ah, right |
| 14:18.02 | arkanes | she draws yaoi on deviantart, doesn't she |
| 14:18.07 | Antiarc | hahah |
| 14:18.18 | olafski | but I'm having trouble explaining to her why I have no clue about photoshop and not much about css when I do make websites |
| 14:18.34 | Yivry | hahaha |
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| 14:20.01 | Yivry | simple, you're a builder, not a designer :p |
| 14:20.28 | Yivry | (in her terms) |
| 14:21.08 | olafski | yeah but she's seen me write the html for her portfolio and was like "that's it? people pay you for that?" |
| 14:21.32 | Yivry | and you let her try it herself? :P |
| 14:21.50 | olafski | hehe she wants to learn html.. but not very badly it seems, she likes raiding too :P |
| 14:23.09 | Yivry | hehe time-shortage :p |
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| 14:23.49 | Yivry | I have more of an inspiration-shortage... I wanna do more programming stuff, but got no clue what to make :p |
| 14:24.29 | Antiarc | Make stuff that scratches an itch |
| 14:24.40 | Yivry | ive got no itches :p |
| 14:24.44 | Antiarc | Find something you're not happy with and improve it, or develop a tool that you'd want to use. |
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| 14:25.08 | olafski | yeah I told my gf to do that too |
| 14:25.30 | olafski | she's not happy with what I did with her portfolio I think.. I warned her that would happen, so told her to learn html/css and do it herself :) |
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| 14:35.54 | Yivry | I must say though my experience is a bit limited too :p |
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| 14:41.51 | asmodai | olafski: eh? |
| 14:41.59 | asmodai | olafski: What framework are you talking about? |
| 14:42.52 | olafski | asmodai: gamemaker.. or wasn't that you? :$ |
| 14:42.58 | asmodai | Not me mate. |
| 14:43.04 | olafski | damn I'm so bad with names |
| 14:43.25 | asmodai | pats olafski |
| 14:43.31 | nevcairiel | that was alestane |
| 14:43.36 | asmodai | I only harass nevcairiel, Xinhuan and Antiarc here. |
| 14:43.41 | asmodai | And make fun of Fisker and ckknight |
| 14:43.43 | olafski | ah yes it was, nevcairiel :) |
| 14:45.02 | Yivry | at least it also started with an a ;) |
| 14:45.02 | evl | Did they fix [flyable] in 3.3? |
| 14:45.02 | evl | For Dalaran etc. |
| 14:45.06 | olafski | think so |
| 14:45.12 | olafski | works for me nowadays |
| 14:45.25 | evl | Wintergrasp too? |
| 14:45.56 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Our government might actually fall one of these days |
| 14:46.11 | Yivry | you think so asmodai? |
| 14:46.18 | nevcairiel | eh, how so? |
| 14:46.25 | asmodai | SP, VVD, and PVV seem to think so :) |
| 14:46.37 | Yivry | lol @ the opposition |
| 14:46.37 | yoshimo | ~seen yssaril |
| 14:46.39 | purl | yssaril <n=Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 26d 20h 53s ago, saying: 'kneeki: what do you mean still it always has been :P'. |
| 14:46.40 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Afghanistan mission participation |
| 14:46.48 | asmodai | nevcairiel: last year we said we wouldn't extend |
| 14:46.57 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Now they're shuffling their feet |
| 14:47.10 | Yivry | our government is full of idiots tbh |
| 14:47.26 | nevcairiel | The whole afghanistan thing is a mess |
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| 14:47.33 | nevcairiel | was a big issue here as well on the last election |
| 14:47.38 | nevcairiel | sadly the wrong party won |
| 14:47.42 | olafski | evl: I think it'll mark wintergrasp as flyable, even while in a battle.. but not sure |
| 14:47.48 | asmodai | Yivry: Aye. |
| 14:48.02 | asmodai | Yivry: And I am not sure any new coalition will be better either. |
| 14:48.02 | olafski | asmodai: falling again? it's like we're some kind of banana republic |
| 14:48.08 | evl | olafski: "Since the "flyable" condition was fixed for Dalaran in patch 3.0, the only place the old standby macros from the past will not work properly is Wintergrasp. If it weren't for the Wintergrasp problem, my addon [Mounty] would have no purpose at all and could be replaced by the above macro" |
| 14:48.16 | evl | So I guess my addon still has the right to live! |
| 14:48.23 | olafski | :) |
| 14:48.33 | nevcairiel | .. in wintergrasp |
| 14:49.05 | evl | I don't log on for anything but ICC these days |
| 14:49.16 | olafski | I log on for heroics or leveling :> |
| 14:49.17 | evl | 1. Get tons of badges 2. Wait. |
| 14:49.37 | nevcairiel | i want to continue leveling my warrior |
| 14:49.39 | nevcairiel | but no time no time |
| 14:49.42 | olafski | :( |
| 14:49.47 | Xinhuan | as asmodai |
| 14:49.49 | Xinhuan | hey asmodai |
| 14:50.00 | Xinhuan | i'll show you what is disturbing :P |
| 14:50.06 | Xinhuan | or harassment :) |
| 14:50.06 | asmodai | hey there Xinhuan', gong xi fa cai |
| 14:50.20 | Xinhuan | StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty⢠Beta Test Invitation |
| 14:50.20 | Xinhuan | Congratulations! Youâve been selected to participate in the beta test of StarCraft® II: Wings of Libertyâ¢. |
| 14:50.27 | asmodai | Oh very cool. |
| 14:50.33 | asmodai | Based on the opt in? |
| 14:50.34 | Xinhuan | do i win :) |
| 14:50.37 | Xinhuan | apparently lol |
| 14:50.39 | asmodai | lucky you :) |
| 14:50.50 | steev | i haven't logged in to game since tuesday night, and i'm on standby for tonight's raid, so i might just not log in as well |
| 14:51.13 | asmodai | Xinhuan: Congratulations ^^ |
| 14:51.24 | Yivry | I havent logged in since tuesday last week... gametime ran out >.< |
| 14:51.36 | Xinhuan | check your emails hehe |
| 14:51.47 | Xinhuan | was send to me about 14 hours ago |
| 14:51.51 | asmodai | Xinhuan: in game or? |
| 14:51.54 | Xinhuan | email |
| 14:52.07 | olafski | checks spambox |
| 14:52.17 | asmodai | heh, nah |
| 14:52.21 | asmodai | I am not that lucky ;) |
| 14:52.39 | olafski | guess you can't sell keys for it on ebay or anything |
| 14:52.52 | Xinhuan | i even have an authenticator attached lol |
| 14:54.30 | asmodai | I need to update my beta profile now that I reinstalled this box and run 7 |
| 14:54.32 | olafski | hm, my spambox contained phishing mails for online banking.. first time I've seen those |
| 14:55.01 | steev | no invite for me either - but then, i don't expect one cuz i've got a warning on my account |
| 14:55.17 | olafski | no warnings nor invites here |
| 14:55.18 | Fisker | tsk |
| 14:55.20 | Fisker | like they care |
| 14:55.22 | Fisker | Xinhuan |
| 14:55.25 | Fisker | give me your key |
| 14:55.32 | yoshimo | sometimes auctions return the seller , sometimes they dont, mhmmm... |
| 14:55.45 | olafski | maybe because I clicked "interested in: [ ] Starcraft; [X] Diablo; [X] Warcraft" |
| 14:56.05 | asmodai | olafski: >_< |
| 14:56.19 | olafski | might as well remove diablo too.. not really interested in betatesting that |
| 14:56.36 | olafski | not like I'd betatest warcraft.. just look at new features ;) |
| 14:57.44 | Fisker | man this sc2 stream is awesome |
| 14:57.56 | Fisker | just after playing he get called up by work and he calls someone a retard |
| 14:57.56 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 14:58.04 | Fisker | http://www.livestream.com/yellowsnow |
| 14:58.14 | Fisker | i want sc2 beta |
| 14:58.26 | asmodai | more sc2 livestreams |
| 14:58.35 | koaschten | pfff |
| 14:58.36 | koaschten | Yellow-Snow |
| 14:58.36 | koaschten | My life as a Network Administrator and Gamer! |
| 14:58.42 | koaschten | way to go |
| 14:58.46 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 14:59.37 | koaschten | awesome |
| 14:59.52 | koaschten | he isnt streaming voice of a business call is he? |
| 15:00.05 | Fisker | he is |
| 15:00.31 | koaschten | awesome |
| 15:01.09 | asmodai | Hahaha, that's funny |
| 15:01.15 | olafski | what a turd |
| 15:01.56 | asmodai | But seriously, aren't they gonna get into problems due to broadcasting this closed beta stuff? |
| 15:02.05 | Fisker | it would be absolutely awesome to just send the stream link to his boss or something |
| 15:02.07 | Fisker | no asmodai |
| 15:02.14 | Xinhuan | depends on what kind of agreement is signed |
| 15:02.24 | Fisker | there's no nda |
| 15:02.28 | nevcairiel | its a blizzard beta, they dont mind |
| 15:02.33 | asmodai | Ahh ok |
| 15:02.40 | asmodai | thought closed beta was NDAish still |
| 15:02.48 | nevcairiel | closed just means they pick who gets in |
| 15:02.57 | asmodai | Gotcha |
| 15:03.10 | Fisker | There's an NDA in the alpha |
| 15:03.13 | Fisker | but they stopped doing those now |
| 15:03.20 | Fisker | well outside Blizzard i mean |
| 15:03.21 | ckknight | who all is in the beta on US side? I may want to add you to my friends list |
| 15:03.24 | ckknight | I'm ckknight.ckknight |
| 15:03.51 | Fisker | regionally restricted SC2 is the cancer killing SC2 |
| 15:04.22 | ckknight | yea, I don't see why I can't have EU friends |
| 15:04.36 | koaschten | because its on different battle.net auth systems ckknight ;) |
| 15:04.39 | koaschten | duuuh |
| 15:04.45 | ckknight | so? that's bullshit. |
| 15:04.51 | Fisker | that's not the reason |
| 15:05.00 | koaschten | it already was bullshit when they introduced battle.net for wow |
| 15:05.01 | Fisker | and it's not a limitation |
| 15:05.13 | koaschten | and people accidently created us bnet accounts and linked their euro wow accounts to it |
| 15:05.15 | quiescens | for wow there's character data and stuff |
| 15:05.19 | Fisker | so what? |
| 15:05.21 | koaschten | and were not able to play during us maintenance ;) |
| 15:05.35 | Fisker | keyword: were |
| 15:05.59 | koaschten | yeah because they moved them over to the euro bnet |
| 15:06.04 | Fisker | no |
| 15:06.08 | Fisker | they didn't |
| 15:06.20 | asmodai | ckknight: Segregation! |
| 15:06.27 | asmodai | ckknight: EU and USA cannot be friends! |
| 15:06.31 | quiescens | divide and conquer |
| 15:06.34 | ckknight | I don't see why the segregation is there |
| 15:06.44 | Fisker | me neither ckknight |
| 15:06.45 | asmodai | Divide the north, unite the south! |
| 15:06.46 | asmodai | oh wait |
| 15:06.47 | ckknight | why not have them connected? |
| 15:06.48 | ckknight | :P |
| 15:06.48 | asmodai | wrong era |
| 15:06.53 | krka | for latency reasons? |
| 15:07.03 | ckknight | they should have EU servers and US servers |
| 15:07.03 | Fisker | matchmaking krka? |
| 15:07.09 | ckknight | but they could sync their DBs |
| 15:07.10 | asmodai | krka: yeah, the massive amounts of broadband here would make US players cry ;) |
| 15:07.26 | Fisker | Noone is telling them to do the impossible and have everybody play with <50ms lag |
| 15:07.34 | asmodai | btw, funny stream how he is asking for votes :) |
| 15:07.44 | Fisker | Just that the services are connected and if we want, understanding the risks, play together |
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| 15:09.06 | asmodai | And for Fisker they should add even more dialog windows: You are about to play with/against Fisker, are you SURE? |
| 15:10.54 | yoshimo | i still think they shouldn lock out europeans from the us wowforums |
| 15:12.27 | asmodai | yoshimo: yeah, sucks. |
| 15:12.49 | Axodious | and vice versa |
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| 15:14.11 | yoshimo | "you have no active subscription " , i paid for this you "§$"§$ us.forum ;) |
| 15:14.19 | asmodai | heh |
| 15:18.22 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 15:18.40 | nevcairiel | yeah the battle.net accounts are global now, but they still dont let you post to the forums |
| 15:19.36 | yoshimo | no bumping bugreports on usforums for me then ;) |
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| 15:31.04 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: did you make any progress on the ora3 tank frames at any point? |
| 15:31.15 | nevcairiel | didnt someone else build some? |
| 15:31.35 | vhaarr | yeah there's wtf/wtframes, but I looked at the code and it's too much |
| 15:31.39 | vhaarr | guess I will just strip them down |
| 15:32.04 | vhaarr | or perhaps there are others? |
| 15:32.15 | nevcairiel | i think i meant those wtframes |
| 15:32.48 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 15:32.52 | vhaarr | mornings |
| 15:32.57 | nevcairiel | morning |
| 15:33.03 | EthanCentaurai | konitchiwa |
| 15:33.53 | asmodai | mourning Kaelten |
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| 15:34.03 | Kaelten | how are things going? |
| 15:34.16 | nevcairiel | we're mourning Kaelten? |
| 15:34.37 | asmodai | Kaelten: We're kicking ass and watching SC2 livestreams ;) |
| 15:34.44 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 15:34.46 | Kaelten | it's awesome |
| 15:35.02 | Kaelten | anyone who wants to add me go for it |
| 15:35.06 | koaschten | http://www.livestream.com/yellowsnow |
| 15:35.13 | Kaelten | my realid is my username @ gmail |
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| 15:35.20 | nicoli_s | same here, im up for a challenge, realid is sanktanglia.nic |
| 15:35.26 | genetik- | vhaarr: heh.. you're actually going to implement oRA3 tank frames? |
| 15:35.34 | asmodai | http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1311&_nkw=starcraft+2+beta+key&_sacat=See-All-Categories |
| 15:35.35 | vhaarr | genetik-: in a seperate addon obviously |
| 15:35.38 | genetik- | good |
| 15:35.45 | asmodai | prices up to like $500 now :| |
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| 15:36.39 | Kaelten | wow |
| 15:36.51 | Kaelten | that's nuts |
| 15:37.00 | asmodai | aye |
| 15:37.02 | Kaelten | I just can't bring myself to sell a key though |
| 15:37.11 | asmodai | haha, even $ 630 for one in Germany ;) |
| 15:37.18 | nevcairiel | and i thought they assign that to your b.net account |
| 15:37.27 | Ackis | Kaelten: I'll do it for you ;) |
| 15:37.31 | Kaelten | there's two methods |
| 15:37.34 | Kaelten | one they assign it |
| 15:37.39 | Kaelten | the other they send you a keycode |
| 15:37.43 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 15:37.52 | Xinhuan | meh it took me 1 hour to figure out i had to make my browser use my ISP's proxy to download the SC2 downloader, otherwise the downloader doesn't work |
| 15:38.04 | kappaccino | zomg |
| 15:38.07 | kappaccino | sc2 do want |
| 15:38.11 | Xinhuan | apparently when u download it, it tags your connection info to the downloader.exe |
| 15:38.19 | Xinhuan | and it has to match |
| 15:38.30 | nevcairiel | yeah, it does |
| 15:38.40 | Xinhuan | i normally have the proxy off lol |
| 15:38.58 | kappaccino | why use one in the first place? at work? |
| 15:39.01 | nevcairiel | which kinda sucks if you are on a dynamic ip, disconnect and its dead? ^ |
| 15:39.06 | Xinhuan | i don't use one |
| 15:39.19 | Xinhuan | my ISP doesn't require one apparently, but supplies one anyway |
| 15:39.25 | nevcairiel | most do |
| 15:39.37 | Kaelten | we managed to get it here in the office pretty easily |
| 15:39.45 | Xinhuan | if i don't specify the proxy, it uses a random one i think |
| 15:39.46 | Kaelten | but we had to restart it once even with our static ips |
| 15:39.56 | Xinhuan | so my http proxy becomes random |
| 15:40.31 | kappaccino | doesn't it slow down your browsing? |
| 15:40.44 | Xinhuan | if it does, its not noticable |
| 15:41.11 | kappaccino | I used Tor once... it bounces off places in europe |
| 15:41.17 | kappaccino | haha ridiculously slow |
| 15:41.25 | vhaarr | Tor isn't supposed to be fast either |
| 15:41.32 | kappaccino | I knew that :( |
| 15:41.38 | koaschten | Tor is supposed to bounce you around -.- |
| 15:41.44 | Kaelten | the cost of privacy right? |
| 15:41.51 | kappaccino | oh well I guess |
| 15:41.58 | kappaccino | all hail our google overlords |
| 15:43.44 | Xinhuan | 1.64 gb downloaded in 30 minutes |
| 15:43.46 | Xinhuan | neato |
| 15:44.01 | Xinhuan | its actually downloading at max speed for once |
| 15:44.43 | yoshimo | my computer seems to be not exotic enough, i wasnt offered an invite^^ |
| 15:45.11 | Xinhuan | i'm running windows 7 RC1, with a gts250 if you're wondering |
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| 15:45.36 | Xinhuan | the fucked up part is, i have 10 days to reinstall windows 7 |
| 15:45.45 | nevcairiel | why are you even still on the rc1, lol |
| 15:45.46 | Xinhuan | cos the RC1 will start shutting down every 2 hours in march |
| 15:46.04 | Xinhuan | cos i don't really wish to redownload and reinstall about 30 applications |
| 15:46.11 | Xinhuan | and then reconfigure them all |
| 15:46.22 | sb|work | same for my gf :p |
| 15:46.29 | sb|work | but i think i will ninja-upgrade to final... |
| 15:46.48 | Xinhuan | when u write software and do coding |
| 15:46.51 | nevcairiel | i usually mess up my windows in that time span by installing too much shit for testing |
| 15:46.53 | Xinhuan | you end up with tons of development shit |
| 15:47.07 | Xinhuan | with properly set up paths and includes and shit |
| 15:47.08 | Gnarfoz | and you learn to install apps in a different partition than your OS? |
| 15:47.08 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 15:47.10 | nevcairiel | you need more then a text editor? |
| 15:47.28 | Gnarfoz | and to have programs put their configuration in their program directory |
| 15:47.29 | Gnarfoz | etc |
| 15:47.30 | Xinhuan | i'm afraid i need bug tracking systems on top of IDE compilers |
| 15:48.00 | nevcairiel | at work all i need is eclipse with some javaee plugins and a svn client :d |
| 15:48.34 | Xinhuan | they actually have tons of shit installed at work |
| 15:48.41 | olafski | and eclipse saves its settings in your profile so you can easily copy that over ;) |
| 15:48.50 | olafski | I'm willing to bet most IDEs do that |
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| 15:49.43 | krka | no reason to use eclipse anymore now that intellij community edition is free |
| 15:49.44 | Xinhuan | they have 2 different versions of visual studio, 3 different c++ compilers + lua + svn + cgc + a few other things |
| 15:49.49 | Xinhuan | all working from command line |
| 15:50.55 | nevcairiel | all the java ee fun plugins are not in the community edition =( |
| 15:51.09 | nevcairiel | also, i dont mind eclipse |
| 15:52.40 | olafski | my reason is because I'm used to eclipse |
| 15:52.40 | Xinhuan | well in the worst case scnerio, i have to reinstall my OSpartition |
| 15:52.47 | Xinhuan | if i can't get upgrading to retail to work ;p |
| 15:52.50 | olafski | does intellij do _everything_ that eclipse does? :> |
| 15:53.04 | nevcairiel | depends what "everything" is |
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| 15:53.08 | olafski | well, everything |
| 15:53.15 | olafski | support eclipse plugins for instance ;) |
| 15:53.15 | krka | i dont know but i don't care since my productivity has really increased with intelij |
| 15:53.34 | olafski | I think one of the main reasons people use eclipse is because of all those plugins |
| 15:53.40 | arkanes_ | I bet intellij doesn't run my eclipse-based sql ide :P |
| 15:55.20 | nevcairiel | I should probably try it at home for some stuff |
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| 15:57.35 | Xinhuan | "We are not testing the single-player campaign of StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty during the beta period. " |
| 15:57.36 | Xinhuan | damn |
| 15:57.57 | olafski | *quit* |
| 15:58.51 | quiescens | of course not |
| 15:59.23 | quiescens | they still need to get the people that primarily want to play the singleplayer part to buy the game |
| 16:01.53 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r306 modules (2 files in 1 directory): Track the highest rank LoH. |
| 16:03.45 | koaschten | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qa6-BNDSlA |
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| 16:05.35 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r307 modules/Cooldowns.lua: Add Barkskin and line up spell names. |
| 16:08.04 | olafski | heh |
| 16:08.10 | olafski | they don't damage eachother when they explode |
| 16:09.36 | arkanes_ | yesterday I learned that not only does damage to pets count against you for the black knight achieve in TOC, so does damage to totems |
| 16:09.43 | arkanes_ | and really that is bullcrap :( |
| 16:11.18 | koaschten | http://www.techpowerup.com/115540/Radeon_HD_5870_Eyefinity6_Edition_Slated_for_March_11.html |
| 16:11.21 | koaschten | om nom nom |
| 16:12.29 | Fisker | GTX480 there |
| 16:12.32 | Fisker | so !care(); |
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| 16:14.46 | Gnarfoz | gtx what lol |
| 16:14.48 | Gnarfoz | doesn't exist |
| 16:15.02 | Gnarfoz | also, koaschten what the fuck did I watch there just now |
| 16:15.38 | koaschten | its a new zerg unit, called baneling, basically a big round liquid filled zerg unit that will burst and explode on command |
| 16:15.44 | koaschten | obviously that was like 50 of em ;) |
| 16:15.56 | koaschten | also... http://pleaserobme.com/ |
| 16:15.57 | koaschten | o.O |
| 16:16.05 | koaschten | ppl need to be more careful about posting shit |
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| 16:16.27 | nevcairiel | haha awesome |
| 16:16.33 | nevcairiel | finally a good use of twitter |
| 16:17.30 | nevcairiel | who needs bugs on people, when they can have twitter |
| 16:18.08 | koaschten | location awareness in modern gadgets is evil |
| 16:18.56 | nevcairiel | especially if you just post to the public |
| 16:20.10 | olafski | what's the black knight achieve again :S |
| 16:20.23 | yoshimo | dont be hit by ghulexplosions |
| 16:20.37 | olafski | ah |
| 16:20.41 | nevcairiel | no-one or per person? |
| 16:20.46 | olafski | no one |
| 16:20.50 | nevcairiel | fail :P |
| 16:20.51 | yoshimo | no one, no pet no player |
| 16:21.02 | arkanes_ | and no totems |
| 16:21.04 | arkanes_ | sigh |
| 16:21.07 | olafski | man I should really get less-rabi :( |
| 16:21.11 | yoshimo | its easy ;) exploding ghouls are marked ;) |
| 16:21.18 | arkanes_ | its easy for players |
| 16:21.21 | nevcairiel | i have the red proto |
| 16:21.27 | nevcairiel | the ghoul thing wasnt part of that, though |
| 16:21.27 | arkanes_ | pets, especially guardians, are not so smart |
| 16:21.34 | olafski | less rabi and zombiefest are the "hard" ones I have left I think |
| 16:21.35 | arkanes_ | yeah I have my red proto too |
| 16:21.56 | olafski | ruby/emerald void can't be too bad, and chaos theory, watch him die, respect your elders aren't bad either |
| 16:21.56 | arkanes_ | the achieve says "player", but its a lie |
| 16:21.56 | nevcairiel | zombiefest? thats so easy |
| 16:22.03 | olafski | yeah but takes some setting up |
| 16:22.10 | olafski | don't do that in a pug like respect your elders |
| 16:22.12 | arkanes_ | watch him die can be rough |
| 16:22.18 | olafski | with current gear? |
| 16:22.23 | arkanes_ | even still |
| 16:22.33 | olafski | I'd say 2 tanks, a shaman healer and some dps to just zerg it |
| 16:22.33 | koaschten | @joelblogs left home and checked in less than a minute ago: |
| 16:22.33 | koaschten | 4sq - hiding behind the door with a crowbar! |
| 16:22.34 | nevcairiel | that was a hard one |
| 16:22.35 | olafski | but dunno.. |
| 16:22.37 | arkanes_ | the one watcher has an AOE disorient |
| 16:22.57 | nevcairiel | we so celebrated over voice when we finally got that one after 10 trys or so |
| 16:22.59 | olafski | yeah we tried a bunch of times with different tactics |
| 16:23.04 | arkanes_ | hunter kite is the easiest way |
| 16:23.07 | olafski | with uld10 gear though |
| 16:23.08 | nevcairiel | the way we did it was fixed, though |
| 16:23.12 | Pucmel | run for the hills tactics works best |
| 16:23.13 | quiescens | still |
| 16:23.23 | arkanes_ | I've done it the brute force way too |
| 16:23.24 | quiescens | watch him die is fairly easy as long as you do it right |
| 16:23.29 | Megalon | hm |
| 16:23.32 | quiescens | the only one you can really um |
| 16:23.36 | nevcairiel | we did it back in the good old days |
| 16:23.39 | olafski | yeah.. less-rabi should be easy if you do it right too ;) |
| 16:23.40 | nevcairiel | with maybe naxx gear |
| 16:23.41 | quiescens | miss even if people don't make any significant mistakes |
| 16:23.44 | quiescens | is less-rabi |
| 16:23.58 | Megalon | with current gear |
| 16:24.00 | nevcairiel | we exploited less-rabi :P |
| 16:24.04 | olafski | should just pay an ele shaman to come with me on that one |
| 16:24.07 | Megalon | you only need 1 interupt for lass-rabi |
| 16:24.41 | nevcairiel | we completed that before the first wave of nerfs to the achievements |
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| 16:24.45 | quiescens | the last time i got less-rabi we had 4 interrupts |
| 16:24.51 | quiescens | lol |
| 16:24.51 | nevcairiel | so, in half-naxx10, half-naxx25 gear |
| 16:24.57 | quiescens | one from each person excluding healer |
| 16:24.58 | arkanes_ | less rabi takes some practice and a lot of luck |
| 16:25.00 | nevcairiel | that was fun |
| 16:25.17 | olafski | arkanes_: yeah, if you fail he's dead before you manage to wipe :) |
| 16:25.20 | arkanes_ | its not really about how many interrupts you have, its about anticipating the 0.1 second cast one |
| 16:25.36 | Megalon | he casts every 10 seconds |
| 16:25.39 | arkanes_ | took me a bunch of tries |
| 16:25.40 | Megalon | just kill him in 20s |
| 16:25.42 | Megalon | done |
| 16:25.51 | olafski | he casts every 5 seconds after 50% |
| 16:25.52 | nevcairiel | today that works, sure |
| 16:26.02 | Megalon | hm, we only had 1 cast |
| 16:26.04 | quiescens | how often he casts it depends on the duration of the interrupt |
| 16:26.10 | quiescens | o.o |
| 16:26.12 | Megalon | at 70% or so with my hunter |
| 16:26.15 | olafski | and instantly at 50% too, so if you don't get him to 50% in 10 seconds you'll have 2 casts right after eachother |
| 16:26.18 | Megalon | 21s fight time |
| 16:26.20 | arkanes_ | yes its faster the lowest hsi health is |
| 16:26.33 | quiescens | a mage counterspell etc prevents a cast for longer |
| 16:26.46 | quiescens | anymoo |
| 16:26.47 | nevcairiel | indeed, a shaman shock just interrupts, doesnt give a lockout |
| 16:26.49 | arkanes_ | getting the timing on it is tricky |
| 16:26.53 | quiescens | there's also the um |
| 16:26.59 | quiescens | chance that there'll be a knockdown |
| 16:27.01 | arkanes_ | yeah |
| 16:27.05 | olafski | how long does counterspell prevent though? can'tbe more than 5 seconds |
| 16:27.05 | quiescens | at the wrong time |
| 16:27.08 | arkanes_ | that ruined several attempts for us |
| 16:27.30 | quiescens | school lockout for counterspell is 8 seconds |
| 16:27.34 | arkanes_ | this was back in naxx gear of course, it's easier now since you can burn him so much faster |
| 16:27.43 | quiescens | school lockout for the shaman interrupt is like 2 |
| 16:27.46 | arkanes_ | but you still need some luck with the timing |
| 16:27.53 | nevcairiel | quiescens: if even, feels like a GCD |
| 16:28.16 | quiescens | most of the other interrupts fall somewhere in between |
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| 16:32.07 | Xinhuan | counterspell is 8 secs school lockout, with up to 4 secs silence if talented |
| 16:34.15 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r308 modules/Cooldowns.lua: |
| 16:34.17 | Repo | Make UpdateCooldownModifiers a bit more sane and try to rescan talent information when needed at login. |
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| 16:52.08 | Gnarfoz | can't silence moorabi, though |
| 16:55.02 | Fisker | doesn't really matter Gnarfoz |
| 16:55.12 | Fisker | except you're unlucky to get a stun at like 10% and he casts right there |
| 16:55.13 | Fisker | :D |
| 17:01.25 | Megalon | can't silence Fisker either |
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| 17:02.30 | Fisker | just ask me about sc2 beta Megalon |
| 17:05.43 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 04v3.2.4 * babcc09 /: [new tag, +2 commits] Tagging as release 3.2.4 |
| 17:07.39 | yoshimo | is there an alternative to dotimer which produces less commtraffic? |
| 17:08.47 | durcyn | HoTorDoT, shitty name though |
| 17:09.17 | sb|work | @describe HoTorDoT |
| 17:09.19 | Repo | sb|work: http://www.wowace.com/addons/hotordot/. HoTorDoT. Timer bars for your abilities on your target |
| 17:09.53 | sb|work | experimental and last alpha 6 sep 09? |
| 17:10.28 | durcyn | or, you know, quartz |
| 17:14.46 | yoshimo | it has more than castbars? |
| 17:15.41 | nevcairiel | i still want to fix up the quartz buff module to be able to filter those |
| 17:15.47 | nevcairiel | but, all in due time |
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| 17:23.03 | MysticalOS | question, does ICC heroic use instance difficulty flag of 3 and 4 like togc? my guilds having terrible attendance and hasn't done heroic yet(i heard weekends on raid schedule on superbowl and valentines weekends is pro) |
| 17:23.47 | durcyn | that was kind of a mouthful, and yes |
| 17:25.34 | arkanes_ | I should fork HoTodDoT and call it HotterDaughter |
| 17:25.46 | arkanes_ | which is an awesome name |
| 17:26.44 | MysticalOS | strange. I'm having users report that checking instance difficulty on heroic mode returns 25 man normal flag. :\ but not sure why this would be so. |
| 17:27.19 | arkanes_ | MysticalOS: heroic in icc isn't an instance flag, as far as I know |
| 17:27.48 | MysticalOS | if you can't use GetInstanceDifficulty then what? |
| 17:27.52 | nevcairiel | they changed the way heroic is handled like every instance now <.< |
| 17:27.57 | arkanes_ | well its on a per encounter basis |
| 17:28.23 | MysticalOS | GetInstanceDifficulty 3 and 4 i woulda thought for ICC. is it something else? |
| 17:28.35 | arkanes_ | the thing to do is probably to go to the FrameXML and check what the UI for triggering the hard modes does |
| 17:30.15 | yoshimo | if you toggle that button, you get a loading screen and the encounter changes, trash respawns as well. so i though the api would return heroicmode then |
| 17:30.41 | arkanes_ | hmm |
| 17:30.48 | arkanes_ | we havent unlocked heroic yet |
| 17:31.04 | arkanes_ | but yeah I guess if it soft resets the dungeon like that then it should work |
| 17:31.12 | MysticalOS | neither have I so i can't check it myself, but someone is saying they are on heroic deathwhisper and instance difficulty is returning 2 |
| 17:31.14 | arkanes_ | are you sure your testers are Doin' It Rite? |
| 17:31.16 | MysticalOS | 25 normal |
| 17:31.18 | MysticalOS | no idea |
| 17:31.36 | MysticalOS | but they say the mod isn't working and mode is definitely coded right to set heroic adds timers for 3 and 4 |
| 17:31.57 | koaschten | hmm new ptr hmm? |
| 17:32.00 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7344 Plugins/Bars.lua: Clarify an xxx comment. |
| 17:32.07 | MysticalOS | yea i saw the ptr post, yummy |
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| 17:32.36 | arkanes_ | MysticalOS: how does it indicate you're on heroic? is it the same minimap badge that heroics and TOC uses? |
| 17:32.38 | koaschten | i smell a 10m troll zul'drak instance |
| 17:32.50 | arkanes_ | koaschten: there's always one! |
| 17:32.57 | arkanes_ | koaschten: it'd be a break with tradition if they didn't make it |
| 17:33.03 | MysticalOS | i hope so |
| 17:33.05 | koaschten | exactly |
| 17:33.11 | yoshimo | zul aman brotha ;) |
| 17:33.20 | MysticalOS | hopefully with timed mount |
| 17:33.22 | MysticalOS | :D |
| 17:33.33 | yoshimo | wheres ma hatcha? getta work on them eggs! |
| 17:33.35 | quiescens | o.o |
| 17:33.36 | arkanes_ | there... will. be... GONGS... |
| 17:33.44 | yoshimo | and indiana jones^^ |
| 17:33.47 | koaschten | though i wonder if they ever will enable some kind of upload limiter in their downloader |
| 17:33.47 | MysticalOS | the gong boss is hard |
| 17:33.53 | koaschten | its utter bullshit clogging the upload |
| 17:34.00 | koaschten | and yes, i know i whine every time ... |
| 17:34.34 | MysticalOS | especially on my connection koaschten, 3M download 368k upload |
| 17:34.35 | arkanes_ | man, 50% drop rate increase on frost lotus |
| 17:35.01 | MysticalOS | flasks are like 80g a peice on my high pop server. i hope frost lutus change nerfs that |
| 17:35.01 | arkanes_ | and I just made a deal with our guild flasker to keep extending an ulduar ID so he can farm freya for them |
| 17:35.26 | koaschten | whats the problem |
| 17:35.41 | koaschten | it just makes it worth to farm the non-lotus nodes in freyas room too ;) |
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| 17:37.01 | Gnarfoz | MysticalOS: I can beat that: 3M/192k |
| 17:37.41 | arkanes_ | wtb google fiber |
| 17:37.56 | nevcairiel | we should all get google fiber |
| 17:37.56 | koaschten | where do i sign up? ;) |
| 17:38.26 | arkanes_ | I'm a cheap whore and I'm pretty sure i'd sign over any privacy I have left to google if they have me 15mbit fiber |
| 17:39.53 | arkanes_ | 5-6 years ago or even more I remember people talking about how google was buying up scads of dark fiber, I guess they still have a bunch left |
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| 17:41.21 | durcyn | the pilot they're talking about now is gigabit to the endpoint, even |
| 17:41.26 | durcyn | did i mention gigabit |
| 17:41.46 | arkanes_ | yeah |
| 17:41.55 | arkanes_ | I meant 1.5gbit, not 15mbit :P |
| 17:42.07 | arkanes_ | I'd only sell like.. my son... for 15mbit |
| 17:42.17 | arkanes_ | since I'm stuck with 1mbit (if that) DSL from at&t |
| 17:42.46 | nevcairiel | I'm on 3mbit at least, but it still sucks |
| 17:42.55 | nevcairiel | But i'm moving soon \o/ |
| 17:43.00 | nevcairiel | well soon, in the next 3 month :) |
| 17:43.52 | Xinhuan | heh mine's 10 mbit line |
| 17:44.10 | nevcairiel | I'm still undecided if i should go for DSL or cable at the new place |
| 17:44.19 | nevcairiel | cable is 100/6, DSL is 50/10 |
| 17:44.33 | durcyn | i'm stuck on 15/2, go die |
| 17:44.34 | Xinhuan | ask around which one lags less for wow |
| 17:44.53 | durcyn | also go with the bigger upstream pipe imo |
| 17:45.00 | nevcairiel | that was my though |
| 17:45.07 | nevcairiel | 50mbit is still alot of downstream |
| 17:45.07 | Xinhuan | bigger upstream isn't very useful unless you torrent lots |
| 17:45.12 | durcyn | the difference between 100 megabits and 50 megabits downstream is pretty trivial |
| 17:46.09 | nevcairiel | I should look for some people in that area that have those connections for effective rates |
| 17:46.37 | durcyn | doesn't germany have a broadbandreports, damn, uncivilized huns. |
| 17:46.43 | NivFreak | SC2 == crack |
| 17:46.45 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 17:46.50 | nevcairiel | just need to google for it |
| 17:47.25 | koaschten | nevcairiel honestly, at that point i would go for upload/moneyz ;) |
| 17:48.02 | nevcairiel | the dsl is about 10⬠more a month, but has the bigger uploads |
| 17:48.09 | nevcairiel | so, its a tie |
| 17:48.42 | nevcairiel | googles for speed reports |
| 17:49.08 | koaschten | just check out this: http://www.youtube.com/my_speed |
| 17:49.42 | koaschten | my city averages 2.71mbit, germany averages 3.33mbit |
| 17:49.58 | nevcairiel | heh, some other provider is building a 300mbit fiber net in hamburg |
| 17:50.00 | nevcairiel | i should get that |
| 17:50.18 | nevcairiel | hm, 100⬠a mont hfor 300mbit |
| 17:50.19 | koaschten | hu? isnt hansenet offering ftth already in the city? |
| 17:50.30 | koaschten | and the others vdsl at 50mbit? |
| 17:50.51 | nevcairiel | telekom does vdsl at 50, yeah |
| 17:51.00 | nevcairiel | didnt see anything above adsl2+ from hansenet |
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| 17:51.52 | nevcairiel | oh they have 50/10 now too |
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| 17:53.46 | Funkeh` | fucking germans |
| 17:53.54 | Funkeh` | or rather, fucking me living in a quiet town |
| 17:54.30 | koaschten | i am stuck with 6/0.5 for another 11 month :( |
| 17:54.33 | Funkeh` | I wouldn't mind 50 up |
| 17:54.41 | Funkeh` | would make hosting MW2 matches a lot easier |
| 17:54.45 | Funkeh` | instead on 8/1 |
| 17:54.59 | Funkeh` | sorry, 10* up I wouldn't mind |
| 17:55.19 | koaschten | nevcairiel is there a site that aggregates providers and shows whats available? |
| 17:55.30 | nevcairiel | not that i've found |
| 17:55.32 | koaschten | onlinekosten.de fails me badly |
| 17:55.38 | Funkeh` | samknows.com for germany? ^^ |
| 17:55.45 | koaschten | btw hansenet was bought by O2 ;) |
| 17:56.32 | nevcairiel | its alice now anyway, which is all telefonica, i know |
| 17:56.55 | koaschten | http://www.kabeldeutschland.de/internet-telefon/internet_mit_bis_zu_100mbits.html |
| 17:56.56 | koaschten | o.O |
| 17:57.00 | koaschten | thats new |
| 17:57.13 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 17:57.23 | nevcairiel | kabeldeutschland doing fiber now? |
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| 17:57.55 | nevcairiel | doesnt show prices :( |
| 17:58.41 | koaschten | yeah and the availability check only shows the 32mbit for 22.90eu, which is damn nice nonetheless |
| 17:58.47 | koaschten | i would change in a blink |
| 17:59.03 | koaschten | because currently i pay 30eu for 6mbit :( |
| 17:59.05 | nevcairiel | 50mbit is usually for about 45-50 |
| 17:59.23 | nevcairiel | we pay about 40 for 3mbit including phone, i think |
| 17:59.30 | koaschten | yeah t-home is somewhere around 50eu depending if you go triple or not |
| 17:59.49 | nevcairiel | same for the alice 50/10 line, its 45 as well |
| 18:00.20 | Repo | 10shadowgreenlight: 03Mokhtar * r63 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 18:00.22 | Repo | - Fixed warlock 4T10 bonus being detected even if just 2T10 was present |
| 18:00.23 | Repo | - Improved Shadowbolt talent should be detected even outside of raids for players that have it |
| 18:00.24 | Repo | - Slight tweak of Time to profit indicator to account for warlock's corruption ticks being accelerated by haste |
| 18:00.25 | Repo | - Fixed some nil errors in time to profit computation |
| 18:00.42 | nevcairiel | according to their own price comparison, its 50 for that 100mbit fiber line |
| 18:00.53 | durcyn | hat's reoughly what i pay for 15/2, fuck me |
| 18:00.55 | durcyn | that* |
| 18:01.18 | nevcairiel | you pay about 75 USD for that line? |
| 18:01.36 | nevcairiel | or wait, more like 69, but meh :d |
| 18:01.49 | durcyn | yeah, and it's the "turbo" package |
| 18:02.00 | sb|work | koaschten: haaahaaa :p |
| 18:02.06 | durcyn | since time warner's only competition in this market is at&t's feeble fiber/dsl package |
| 18:02.07 | sb|work | 50 eur for 100mbit |
| 18:02.24 | nevcairiel | yeah with shitty kabel-bw :P |
| 18:02.51 | nevcairiel | 100mbit fiber connection > 100mbit kabel-bw :D |
| 18:03.38 | koaschten | honestly, currently i would switch to almost any provider that would offer me a contract that i could terminate faster than once every 2 years... |
| 18:03.51 | koaschten | and not gauge me like versatel does |
| 18:06.28 | nevcairiel | i stopped hoping for any provider to upgrade our lines here quite a while ago |
| 18:06.36 | koaschten | oh and who was that who asked for broadband reports? http://speedtest.net/global |
| 18:06.39 | nevcairiel | the hansenet network stops about 10km from here |
| 18:07.39 | Repo | 10shadowgreenlight: 03Mokhtar 04v1.6 * r64 : Tagging as v1.6 |
| 18:07.57 | koaschten | check if you can get wilhelm.tel? |
| 18:08.39 | koaschten | Statistics for germany: http://speedtest.net/global.php#0,3,27 |
| 18:11.31 | koaschten | Statistics for US: http://speedtest.net/global.php#0,1,1 |
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| 18:16.06 | Ingela | Shadowed, what happened to my portraits in suf O.o |
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| 18:18.02 | Ingela | and dungeon assignments.. they seems to have vanished! :( |
| 18:21.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | anyone tried PyCharm yet? |
| 18:21.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/index.html |
| 18:23.11 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r2573 Modules/WrathoftheLichKing/wrathofthelichking.lua: typo fixed |
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| 18:25.15 | wink | no, but thanks sylvanaar |
| 18:25.27 | wink | tried the eclipse one.. pydev? |
| 18:26.26 | nevcairiel | koaschten: i could, if i were to move into that part of hamburg |
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| 18:27.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | wink: yes its allright - i just love jetbrains' stuff |
| 18:27.48 | nevcairiel | but its onl 100/5 fwiw :P |
| 18:28.03 | wink | ah teamcity |
| 18:28.06 | wink | never tried |
| 18:28.13 | wink | I nearly mentioned it in my thesis though :P |
| 18:28.22 | wink | aaah! IDEA |
| 18:28.23 | arkanes_ | pycharms looks a lot lke its based on eclips |
| 18:28.30 | wink | the wet dream of Java coders |
| 18:28.44 | arkanes_ | eww except the fonts are all nasty |
| 18:28.47 | arkanes_ | what toolkit is that |
| 18:28.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | and Resharper the wet dream of .NET coders |
| 18:29.02 | NeoTron | Wouldn't it make more sense if pycharm was based on IDEA? |
| 18:29.07 | arkanes_ | probably |
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| 18:29.36 | arkanes_ | well, it's been hung in "create new project" for 30 seconds so far |
| 18:29.39 | arkanes_ | so not super impressed |
| 18:29.47 | arkanes_ | Resharper is awesome though |
| 18:30.16 | wink | I only used that one free c# ide |
| 18:30.21 | wink | SharpDevelop? |
| 18:30.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah |
| 18:31.46 | NeoTron | I wonder if it's even possible to make an IDE, for java, that's actually speedy |
| 18:31.53 | NeoTron | I guess not making the ide itself in java would be a start |
| 18:32.10 | NeoTron | Has anyone ever seen a java GUI app that's actually speedy and low resources |
| 18:32.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | ugh |
| 18:32.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | java + gui = fail |
| 18:32.23 | nevcairiel | java isnt really slow anymore, thats just a rumor from 5 years ago |
| 18:32.31 | wink | more |
| 18:32.33 | wink | much mure |
| 18:32.39 | nevcairiel | from pre 1.4, anyway |
| 18:32.45 | nevcairiel | whenever that was |
| 18:32.46 | wink | not even sure 1.3 |
| 18:32.53 | wink | but until 1.2 at least :) |
| 18:33.23 | nevcairiel | most people just design horrible UIs in java |
| 18:33.26 | sylvanaar_atwork | java is much better suited to non gui tasks |
| 18:33.28 | nevcairiel | but some are pretty good |
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| 18:34.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | not saying you cant make a good ui with it - just less likely |
| 18:34.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | more work, etc |
| 18:34.29 | nevcairiel | Most people dont think and just use AWT or Swing, and those just feel equally broken on all systems |
| 18:34.40 | nevcairiel | SWT, the toolkit eclipse uses for its GUI, is pretty usable |
| 18:34.49 | wink | JFace ftw |
| 18:35.12 | nevcairiel | I wonder what azureus uses |
| 18:35.19 | nevcairiel | or vuze, how its called now |
| 18:35.45 | nevcairiel | hm isnt JFace somehow part of SWT, or the other way around, or something? |
| 18:35.50 | nevcairiel | i just remember they are related |
| 18:36.03 | wink | somehow, yea :P |
| 18:36.23 | Arrowmaster | vuze uses swing or swt |
| 18:36.27 | nevcairiel | I'm no GUI developer in any language, i cant really stand that |
| 18:36.35 | nevcairiel | not Swing, you would see that :p |
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| 18:36.55 | Arrowmaster | âFine, Java MIGHT be a good example of what a programming language should be like. But Java applications are good examples of what applications SHOULDNâT be like.â (pixadel) |
| 18:36.59 | wink | GRIDBAGLAYOUT |
| 18:37.08 | Arrowmaster | http://www.devtopics.com/101-great-computer-programming-quotes/ |
| 18:37.16 | Arrowmaster | blame Elkano |
| 18:37.23 | Arrowmaster | for linking it lastnight |
| 18:37.53 | arkanes_ | eh I don't even agree with the first half |
| 18:38.00 | arkanes_ | c# is a better java than java is, imo |
| 18:39.57 | Pneumatus^ | There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. |
| 18:40.00 | Pneumatus^ | this ^^ |
| 18:40.20 | Thaoky | lol |
| 18:40.25 | nevcairiel | heh good one |
| 18:40.35 | Arrowmaster | bottom of the page has a link to 101 more quotes |
| 18:41.27 | koaschten | uuuh thats new no? -> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/blizztracker.html?forumId=10001&sid=1 |
| 18:41.54 | nevcairiel | not really, no. |
| 18:42.23 | nevcairiel | its just not really usable, imho |
| 18:43.57 | koaschten | you figure how often i head to the official forums ;) |
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| 18:45.33 | NeoTron | so Blizzard hates me since they didn't send me a SC2 invite |
| 18:45.52 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: Java might not be slow but IDEA is. It's still a net win over using emacs, but it's a fricking hog |
| 18:46.12 | nevcairiel | blizzard hates me too |
| 18:46.21 | NeoTron | I have neve seen a Java GUI app be swift in any defintion on the word, on any hardware. Even something relatively small like Spark is rather horribly sluggish |
| 18:47.32 | NeoTron | I think primarily memoryu management in Java just doesn't seem to work well for GUI apps |
| 18:48.02 | NeoTron | I have no actual proof for it, but it sure as hell feels like it. Mind you something like Firefox proves that you don't need Java to make a rather sluggish resource hungry GUI app :) |
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| 18:50.43 | nevcairiel | speaking of firefox, i've noticed something weird |
| 18:51.20 | nevcairiel | i usually don't leave many tabs open, just not my style .. but i switched to chrome for the last few days, and i always catch myself having alot of tabs left open |
| 18:51.26 | nevcairiel | thats weird :P |
| 18:51.28 | wink | "LF 2 DPS for Noth weekly - 4.8k GS" |
| 18:51.30 | wink | awesome |
| 18:51.41 | nevcairiel | 4.8k for Noth? |
| 18:51.55 | wink | let's say he was.. executed in /2 |
| 18:51.55 | nevcairiel | When we first killed Noth, we were still wearing our lvl 70 raiding gear |
| 18:52.07 | wink | ~10 ppl picking on him |
| 18:52.09 | wink | fun :) |
| 18:52.11 | Pneumatus^ | and the odd heroic blue |
| 18:52.25 | nevcairiel | (heck, when we first killed noth, we were killing lvl 60 AQ gear) |
| 18:52.27 | wink | I'd love to field a raid of people in lvl 60 gear |
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| 18:52.40 | nevcairiel | s/killing/wearing/ |
| 18:52.57 | NeoTron | I wonder how a level 60 40 man raiding guild would work these days |
| 18:53.11 | nevcairiel | how so? |
| 18:53.15 | NeoTron | not meaning the logistics or anything, just how the new talent trees would work out at level 60 with level 60 gear |
| 18:53.17 | wink | there are some |
| 18:53.22 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 18:53.23 | robotusch | they're fucked |
| 18:53.24 | wink | and they faceroll their way |
| 18:53.38 | nevcairiel | usually the trees are totally overpowered for lower levels |
| 18:53.40 | NeoTron | I assume the new talent trees are better |
| 18:53.41 | wink | 51pter are awesome |
| 18:53.42 | robotusch | iirc it depends on the guilds tho |
| 18:54.21 | robotusch | some allow their members to go beyond the 31-pointer in one tree, others down't |
| 18:54.24 | robotusch | don't* |
| 18:54.27 | NeoTron | replentishment and all other changes to raid buffs, and boss debuffs, sure would be helpful |
| 18:55.05 | NeoTron | seems like it'd be hard to maintain a 40 man raiding force today though :P |
| 18:55.20 | nevcairiel | if its required, it would work somehow |
| 18:55.37 | nevcairiel | but i like the smaller groups |
| 18:55.46 | NeoTron | wait, can you even get the onyxia cloaks anymore? does the new onyxia drop the required stuff (and lol at needing level 80 alts to gear up your level 60 main for BWL) |
| 18:56.09 | Thaoky | you can, we crafted some a while ago |
| 18:56.11 | nevcairiel | i think you can still skin her for the things |
| 18:56.34 | Pneumatus | you can |
| 18:56.39 | robotusch | yup |
| 18:56.53 | nevcairiel | i wonder if i still have my cloak, though |
| 18:56.57 | Pneumatus | the level 82 warders drop rugged leather too |
| 18:56.59 | NeoTron | but you need to be level 80 to get it :) |
| 18:57.00 | nevcairiel | somewhere, probably |
| 18:57.15 | NeoTron | my main back then was a preist and I also geared a druid |
| 18:57.28 | NeoTron | but I think I got a cloak for my deathknight too? not sure |
| 18:57.37 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7345 Plugins/Bars.lua: Fix the Disable click action. |
| 18:57.39 | robotusch | had a priest too, was even the designated DS-bot :/ |
| 18:57.43 | nevcairiel | I only have one on my druid, back from classic times |
| 18:58.25 | robotusch | I have a SS of my priest facing Ragnaros.. and in the background you can make out Fisker doing some weird emote :< |
| 18:58.28 | nevcairiel | man that char has seen so much, not many people still really play their first char |
| 18:59.00 | Pneumatus | hunter main and druid alt back in vanilla days and i dont play either anymore :< |
| 18:59.14 | koaschten | gief http://technology.todaysbigthing.com/2010/02/16 |
| 18:59.59 | robotusch | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/robotusch/Wow/WoWScrnShot_091805_192050.jpg :< |
| 19:00.13 | nevcairiel | They had alot of those at the 26c3 koaschten, really cool in live |
| 19:00.39 | nevcairiel | unitl that one guy crashed in a window due to some wind :P |
| 19:00.41 | koaschten | if they were not so obscenely expensive even if you built em yourself i already would have one :( |
| 19:01.09 | koaschten | combined with some gps and a digital camera the fun really is woah |
| 19:01.34 | koaschten | you probably even could add some distance sensors to prevent crashing into stuff |
| 19:01.54 | arkanes_ | I still play the rogue I raided on in vanilla |
| 19:01.59 | arkanes_ | not as my main, though |
| 19:02.30 | nevcairiel | with a camera would be so cool |
| 19:02.36 | nevcairiel | i should totally build that |
| 19:04.44 | arkanes_ | haha fisker |
| 19:04.51 | arkanes_ | with his ony sword |
| 19:05.12 | arkanes_ | wheres your CHT, noob |
| 19:05.22 | koaschten | nevcairiel just watch the complete movie |
| 19:05.45 | arkanes_ | shadowcraft boots :\ |
| 19:05.49 | koaschten | around 7min he sends it up ~100m and trigger the camera |
| 19:06.57 | koaschten | the free fall descend is awesome, spinning engines up at 10m and saving it from crashing :X |
| 19:08.20 | koaschten | or at 9:30 where he attaches a full bottle of coke to it .... just to show it can carry the additional 1kg |
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| 19:11.21 | nevcairiel | heh its not really steady with the coke anymore, though |
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| 19:18.56 | koaschten | yeah well if i should guess... |
| 19:19.06 | koaschten | the coke is twice the copters own weight ;) |
| 19:19.22 | koaschten | so having that destabilize the flight behavious is nothing special |
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| 19:21.45 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7346 / (9 files in 3 directories): |
| 19:21.47 | Repo | Instead of telling the user to relog when their combat log breaks, automatically fix it for them, since we are that awesome. |
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| 19:24.38 | Megalon | Funkeh`: http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/original/whos-awesome.jpg |
| 19:25.07 | wink | My awesome, your awesome, his/her awesome |
| 19:25.08 | wink | awesome |
| 19:26.19 | Funkeh` | It WOULD be awesome if they said you're |
| 19:26.21 | Funkeh` | not your |
| 19:26.24 | Funkeh` | jeez |
| 19:26.34 | Funkeh` | some people need to think before making funny stuff |
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| 19:29.58 | harl | why have i infrequently been getting disconnected while in instances for the last 2 days.. -.- |
| 19:38.44 | Megalon | because you are hated by everyone |
| 19:40.06 | Megalon | even the instance servers |
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| 19:42.38 | kappaccino | my fat cat snores |
| 19:42.44 | kappaccino | fml |
| 19:43.01 | harl | Megalon: i already knew that before ;) |
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| 20:03.46 | ThiefMaster | grr fuck blizzard and their goddamn lags |
| 20:05.07 | ThiefMaster | seriously.. wiping on festergut due to lags and the fucking boss dies right in the moment the last guy dies (-> nobody got the weekly debuff) |
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| 20:10.51 | harl | :( |
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| 22:18.20 | aestil | as I did not get a SC2 beta key, I am basically heartbroken. |
| 22:19.32 | durcyn | aestil: you can come look over my shoulder if you like |
| 22:19.38 | aestil | no. |
| 22:19.52 | steev | interesting |
| 22:20.01 | steev | chrome is using portage for its build system now |
| 22:20.02 | aestil | i opted in to within hours of being allowed to as well |
| 22:20.27 | steev | aestil: maybe your system sucks too much to run the beta |
| 22:20.43 | renchap | steev: portage ? |
| 22:21.10 | steev | renchap: gentoo's default package manager |
| 22:21.12 | aestil | i5-750, OC'd to 3.6ghz [mild OC] and HD5850 with 4 gigs of ram on Win7 Home premium... ;) |
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| 22:21.26 | aestil | if thats too much suckage, then ima cry |
| 22:21.32 | steev | yeah, see, they are in bed with nvidia |
| 22:21.36 | steev | shouldn't have gotten the ati car |
| 22:21.37 | steev | d |
| 22:21.40 | aestil | hah. |
| 22:21.52 | aestil | what POS nvidia card is worth buying atm? |
| 22:21.52 | renchap | steev: source ? |
| 22:22.02 | steev | http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-os-dev/browse_thread/thread/d0a4c376146b20bd |
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| 22:23.23 | renchap | thanks steev |
| 22:23.51 | steev | aestil: none |
| 22:24.06 | steev | at least, i don't know anyway, i'm still using my crappy 9800gt |
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| 22:26.45 | aestil | which is basically an 8800gt |
| 22:27.06 | aestil | did you read the semi accurate update today on the trouble nvidia is in? |
| 22:27.15 | aestil | i wouldn't be surprised if that dude is right again. |
| 22:27.22 | aestil | fermi looks like a huge failure. |
| 22:27.38 | steev | *shrug* |
| 22:27.47 | steev | the odds of me buying a fermi any time soon are slim to none |
| 22:27.57 | steev | until a video card is 150 or less, i won't buy it |
| 22:27.59 | aestil | the odds of anyone buying fermi are slim to none. |
| 22:28.06 | aestil | 5770 |
| 22:28.11 | steev | and no - i don't tend to follow hardware news |
| 22:28.16 | steev | and no, i won't use ati |
| 22:28.24 | aestil | *boggle* |
| 22:28.28 | steev | i'd rather not game than use ati |
| 22:28.36 | aestil | *thumbs up* |
| 22:28.57 | durcyn | ATI: worst drivers, for ugliest card |
| 22:29.02 | steev | aestil: i'm a linux guy - they burned me too much in the past, they will get none of my business |
| 22:29.41 | aestil | maybe bad drivers for linux |
| 22:29.52 | aestil | but the #1 reason for vista crashes was nvidia drivers |
| 22:29.58 | steev | and before you go with "but they are now amd..." - doesn't cut it - considering amd sold the mobile gpu shit to qualcomm which are pretty much just as bad |
| 22:30.05 | aestil | i don't know how people can get away with saying they have superior drivers than ati. |
| 22:30.18 | steev | i don't know how people can admit to using vista |
| 22:30.29 | haste | Bruners knows all about the current state of ATi drivers under Linux! |
| 22:30.31 | nevcairiel | it was the #1 crashes because way more people use nvidia |
| 22:30.33 | steev | s/admit to using/use/ |
| 22:30.37 | nevcairiel | ATI drivers are really alot worse |
| 22:30.42 | aestil | heh. |
| 22:30.49 | Bruners | they rock, true story |
| 22:30.57 | aestil | I had an nvidia card for about 2 years before i got this one |
| 22:30.58 | haste | don't even support xorg 1.7.0 :D |
| 22:31.01 | nevcairiel | besides, i didnt have a bluescreen for maybe 2 years |
| 22:31.02 | Bruners | :P |
| 22:31.16 | aestil | and i had BSOD and the graphics driver crashing and restarting constantly. |
| 22:31.24 | steev | my last blue screen was from a wireless card |
| 22:31.26 | durcyn | fglrx and nvidia are both crap, but nvidia's at least stable crap as binary blob kernel modules go |
| 22:31.29 | aestil | whereas I never have that happen even once from nvidia. |
| 22:31.34 | aestil | sorry ati. |
| 22:31.39 | steev | hah! |
| 22:31.42 | steev | the jig is up |
| 22:31.52 | nevcairiel | the nvidia driver at least works with all the latest card and the latest xorg |
| 22:32.05 | nevcairiel | and with good performance, too. |
| 22:32.13 | aestil | the average person, playing normal games, ati's drivers are fine. |
| 22:32.15 | aestil | so are nvidia's. |
| 22:32.18 | aestil | neither suck atm. |
| 22:32.28 | aestil | however nvidia's value proposition sucks hard. |
| 22:32.46 | Bruners | my only advice, stay away from ATI-cards |
| 22:32.57 | aestil | *sigh* |
| 22:32.59 | Bruners | unless you for some reason _need_ dx11 |
| 22:33.09 | NivFreak | I was a hardcore ATI advocate for years, and finally gave up |
| 22:33.12 | aestil | if i didn't need dx11, which I dont. |
| 22:33.17 | nevcairiel | Some people just can't get over the fact that they had a faulty card at some point |
| 22:33.20 | aestil | i'd still get an HD4870 or 4890 |
| 22:33.20 | steev | i do for $shitty_windows_only_game |
| 22:33.22 | NivFreak | the binary drivers they made for linux were fucking aweful |
| 22:33.23 | nevcairiel | i've always had nvidia |
| 22:33.26 | nevcairiel | i've never had crashes |
| 22:33.30 | Bruners | i have always been an ATI fanboi |
| 22:33.33 | aestil | i will always buy the best card |
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| 22:33.48 | aestil | available at the time |
| 22:33.49 | NivFreak | I care more about the best card/driver combo |
| 22:34.03 | aestil | basically there is no pricepoint that nvidia is good at |
| 22:34.03 | NivFreak | and when I talk about drivers, I mean functional |
| 22:34.03 | aestil | for linux |
| 22:34.03 | NivFreak | not buggy as fuck |
| 22:34.10 | VonhintenHOME` | what semi-accurate update on the trouble nvidia is in? |
| 22:34.10 | steev | i have friends who swear by nvidia, some swear by ati, some swear by intel *shrug* each has its use |
| 22:34.16 | nevcairiel | ATI has no really functional drivers for Linux |
| 22:34.25 | nevcairiel | fglrx doesnt even work with latest xorg |
| 22:34.29 | Bruners | they work, but only for 3D |
| 22:34.34 | nevcairiel | and the oss driver doesnt work with 5xxx cards |
| 22:34.37 | aestil | nevcairiel: yes, exactly. but like, i don't have any linux uses period. |
| 22:35.03 | VonhintenHOME` | I will not use ATI until their software side gets a serious upgrade. Too many shit drivers and problems in the past. |
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| 22:35.07 | Bruners | i had shit loads of trouble with my hd4870 in Vista/7 |
| 22:35.14 | VonhintenHOME` | I stick with nvidia, and I _ONLY_ buy evga |
| 22:35.23 | aestil | VonhintenHOME`: apparently the A3 stepping came back from TSCM and they are hardly improved at all from the A2 or A1 |
| 22:35.29 | Bruners | >implying the brand matters |
| 22:35.32 | aestil | they are having to disable 2 of the cuda cores |
| 22:35.59 | aestil | Bruners: my wife, my cousin, and my friend all have hd4870 and win7 and none of them have even the slightest problem once. |
| 22:35.59 | VonhintenHOME` | article? |
| 22:36.08 | sztanpet | what was that awesome voip app like ventrilo? |
| 22:36.14 | VonhintenHOME` | mumble? |
| 22:36.17 | Bruners | aestil: read had |
| 22:36.22 | sztanpet | that might be it |
| 22:36.22 | VonhintenHOME` | teamspeak? |
| 22:36.25 | sztanpet | nah |
| 22:36.27 | Bruners | aestil: dual monitors + aero = trouble |
| 22:36.34 | Bruners | they might have fixed it now tho |
| 22:36.44 | nevcairiel | aestil: and alot people here have had nvidia cards, and no crash issues, clearly experiences differ ;) |
| 22:37.02 | aestil | my point is that they are both fine |
| 22:37.13 | aestil | and the best thing to do is just buy the best value proposition whenever its time for you to upgrade. |
| 22:37.20 | aestil | VonhintenHOME`: http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/17/nvidias-fermigtx480-broken-and-unfixable/ |
| 22:37.34 | VonhintenHOME` | lol, semi accurate... |
| 22:37.38 | VonhintenHOME` | sigh |
| 22:37.40 | aestil | take it with grain of salt, but this specific guy has been pretty much right about fermi since march of 2009 |
| 22:37.51 | Bruners | http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2010/02/what-hardware-should-i-buy-february-2010/1.png |
| 22:38.17 | nevcairiel | that page is so subjective, its not funny aymore |
| 22:38.18 | aestil | in march of 2009 he said it would slip, and that it was having problems and that it would never ship this year |
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| 22:38.29 | aestil | not only did it slip, its late by at least 8 months now? |
| 22:38.45 | aestil | i wish it would come out so that there could be some competition instead of ati just charging whateve rthey want. |
| 22:38.50 | VonhintenHOME` | nvidia has been getting spanked by ATI lately, I've heard |
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| 22:39.05 | aestil | Bruners: are you in England? |
| 22:39.09 | Bruners | just that ati have been pushing new cards |
| 22:39.13 | Bruners | aestil: nope |
| 22:39.23 | aestil | the GTS 250 is basically a rebadged 8800GT, rebadged 9800Gt |
| 22:39.26 | Bruners | aestil: doesnt stop me from reading the best page on the web |
| 22:39.27 | nevcairiel | does ati finally manage to ship their newest model, anyway? |
| 22:39.31 | aestil | its the same shit they have been selling for years. |
| 22:39.35 | aestil | the 5830? |
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| 22:39.46 | aestil | not yet. |
| 22:39.47 | nevcairiel | nah, the high-end version |
| 22:39.52 | aestil | 5970? |
| 22:40.01 | nevcairiel | thats supposedly been out since december, but doesnt ship anywhere |
| 22:40.17 | aestil | they bin that part off a wafer |
| 22:40.26 | Bruners | aestil: your wife, cousin and friends 4870 card, does it run hot when the fan is set to auto? |
| 22:40.34 | aestil | no. |
| 22:40.40 | aestil | didn't get a reference design. |
| 22:40.55 | aestil | although the 4xxx series does run a bit hot. |
| 22:41.01 | Bruners | my card runs at 79C idle with the fan on auto |
| 22:41.02 | aestil | something the 5xxx series really improves on. |
| 22:42.29 | Gagorian | Well I run my 4850 passively cooled with no probs |
| 22:43.03 | aestil | http://techreport.com/articles.x/18042/2 |
| 22:43.12 | aestil | much better computer for the same price... |
| 22:43.50 | aestil | but i am partial to the gigabyte m/b and i'd rather have 3 cores than 2 when all other things are basically equal. |
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| 22:44.17 | aestil | and considering you can get the 5770 for about 150 bucks right now, it makes no sense to buy a GTS250. |
| 22:44.23 | Bruners | i have gigabyte motherboard, gfx and psu |
| 22:44.47 | aestil | foxxconn makes them all anyways. |
| 22:45.29 | aestil | so it doesn't really matter. |
| 22:45.29 | aestil | but i do like working with their layouts. |
| 22:45.39 | aestil | i bought the gigabyte 785G M/B's for 2 work computers, and built 3 others using either AM3 or LGA1156 m/b's from them in the last 4 months and all have been very nice to work with. |
| 22:46.23 | Bruners | http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/02/12/powercolor-ati-radeon-hd-5770-pcs-review/1 |
| 22:47.04 | Bruners | seems to be doing quite well |
| 22:47.22 | aestil | yeah, and looks like there are some things they didn't like specific to that non reference cooling design. |
| 22:47.34 | aestil | its a great card for someone looking for a new one right now. |
| 22:47.43 | VonhintenHOME` | From my perspective, we're in a spot right now were parellel programming is just starting to get the attention in deserve... it's gonna be messy, but when parellel development starts getting easier, we'll really start to see some gains in performance |
| 22:47.54 | nevcairiel | Bruners: does that thing waste 3 slots by now, or is that just a illusion? |
| 22:48.06 | Bruners | but doing well on benchmark is not the same as having stable drivers |
| 22:48.17 | aestil | thats a 1 slot graphics card i think? |
| 22:48.23 | steev | VonhintenHOME`: which is kind of sad really, because they were talking about parallel programming in ACM back in 08 |
| 22:48.24 | aestil | bruners: my drivers are stable ;) |
| 22:48.36 | Bruners | aestil: and what card do you have? |
| 22:48.41 | aestil | HD5850 |
| 22:48.48 | VonhintenHOME` | it's been talked about for a long time, but it's been so complicated versus just making faster hardware... |
| 22:49.06 | VonhintenHOME` | now the hardware gains have slowed, and we have to tackle the tough stuff |
| 22:49.14 | aestil | nevcairiel: i lied, its a 2 slot card. |
| 22:49.16 | Pneumatus | WOL fail, our LK10 kill got logged as 33:57 duration :o |
| 22:49.37 | nevcairiel | aestil: its clearly 2 slot, even uses both slots for ports, but the cooler looks bigger then that |
| 22:49.42 | aestil | no. |
| 22:49.44 | aestil | thats tiny |
| 22:49.52 | nevcairiel | might just be the angle |
| 22:49.59 | aestil | the little bit that it sticks up won't impact the next slot. |
| 22:50.06 | aestil | the 5850 reference design is massive |
| 22:50.14 | steev | Pneumatus: well, stop being so slow :P |
| 22:50.19 | aestil | its pretty quiet though, i was pleased. |
| 22:50.27 | aestil | it makes less noise than my wifes 4870 during gameplay. |
| 22:51.07 | aestil | i run the game at 2048x1152 with all graphics features maxed and 8x AA and get 60fps vsycned EVERYWHERE but dalaran |
| 22:51.32 | Funkeh` | why vsynced |
| 22:51.36 | aestil | the dude at semi accurate is clearly biased, but I believe his info is accurate. |
| 22:51.47 | Funkeh` | im pretty much the same exept i dont vsync |
| 22:51.52 | aestil | cause when I get like 220 fps in old zones / instances i don't like the vertical tearing. |
| 22:52.09 | aestil | or horizontal tearing i guess. |
| 22:52.16 | aestil | horizontal is side to side right? |
| 22:52.16 | Funkeh` | hmm haven't noticed it, but kk |
| 22:52.21 | Funkeh` | yes |
| 22:52.42 | nevcairiel | I get alot of tearing without vsync |
| 22:52.45 | nevcairiel | its stupid |
| 22:53.00 | aestil | isn't it just a limitation of the monitor's 60hz? |
| 22:53.37 | VonhintenHOME` | tearing happens no matter what hz, pretty much, just less visible the faster it is |
| 22:53.56 | nevcairiel | also, i would like to see 60fps while flying over icecrown looking at the whole zone, i can't keep it at a decent fps there |
| 22:54.00 | nevcairiel | too much zone meshes <.< |
| 22:54.09 | aestil | i don't have problems in icecrown at all. |
| 22:54.13 | pentium166 | and then your game allocates 2gb of ram and crashes |
| 22:54.15 | aestil | sometimes in the zone dalaran is in. |
| 22:54.22 | Bruners | aestil: do you have two monitors btw? |
| 22:54.25 | aestil | no. |
| 22:54.40 | aestil | i've been considering hooking up an old monitor for desktop stuff while I play. |
| 22:54.51 | aestil | i have an older 15" that would have to be hooked up to the VGA |
| 22:54.53 | Bruners | thats where the problems start with ati |
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| 22:55.10 | aestil | strange that I haven't heard too much of that. |
| 22:55.19 | VonhintenHOME` | it's always the tree engines that slow shit like that down |
| 22:55.21 | aestil | i know eyefinity is still somewhat buggy due to games not really supporting it yet. |
| 22:55.23 | VonhintenHOME` | trees are expensive |
| 22:55.26 | aestil | yes. |
| 22:55.35 | aestil | trees in that worgen zone |
| 22:55.39 | aestil | whats that zone called? |
| 22:56.18 | pentium166 | gilneas? |
| 22:56.18 | aestil | hopefully the graphics engine revamp for cataclsym improves their renderer. |
| 22:56.31 | aestil | no, the one in northrend with all the trees. |
| 22:56.35 | pentium166 | oh |
| 22:56.51 | VonhintenHOME` | There's clearly a lot of things the Aion guys are doing to take advantage of hardware... I wouldn't be surprised if wow started doing some of those things |
| 22:57.31 | aestil | the water looks very nice in the cataclysm pictures. |
| 22:57.32 | nevcairiel | aion uses a proven engine |
| 22:57.40 | aestil | unreal2? |
| 22:57.42 | aestil | 3? |
| 22:57.57 | nevcairiel | cry-engine, iirc |
| 22:58.02 | VonhintenHOME` | I dunno what that would be.. maybe better HLSL code? |
| 22:59.30 | aestil | the cypress die for ATI is 338 mm² i think. |
| 22:59.50 | aestil | and they had yeild problems when they started, which is why the 5850 went from 260 -> 300 |
| 23:00.03 | koaschten | hu? games dont have to support eyefinity |
| 23:00.13 | koaschten | they just get told to render at a certain resolution |
| 23:00.36 | aestil | games that don't work right are ones that have real trouble with very very wide aspect ratio's |
| 23:00.37 | pentium166 | but they don't typically support those resolutions |
| 23:00.50 | aestil | like intead of 16:9 its 5:1 |
| 23:00.54 | koaschten | well EyeFinity6 shouldnt be an issue |
| 23:01.02 | koaschten | eyefinity3 probably is |
| 23:01.36 | pentium166 | it it expected that you're using the monitors in a 3x2 configuration that way or can you throw them 6 wide too? |
| 23:01.40 | aestil | apparently fermi is 550 mm² |
| 23:02.16 | koaschten | pentium166 you can arrange them as you like, i have seen 1x3 landscape and letter working |
| 23:03.45 | VonhintenHOME` | Speaking of vsync: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3591&p=1 |
| 23:03.57 | VonhintenHOME` | Good article for why you should use triple buffering |
| 23:04.17 | aestil | if you vsync why wouldn't you triple buffer? |
| 23:04.54 | VonhintenHOME` | people don't understand what it does, and in generally when people want performance, they don't increase numbers :) |
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| 23:11.48 | Gnarfoz | <aestil> hopefully the graphics engine revamp for cataclsym improves their renderer. <-- you wish (as do I) |
| 23:11.51 | Gnarfoz | -.- |
| 23:12.35 | Gnarfoz | 1) unlink the Lua interpreter from the renderer (wtf) 2) get a new renderer! 3) make sure it doesn't do shadows ON THE CPU :X |
| 23:12.48 | Gnarfoz | ^ instant 300% FPS increase |
| 23:12.52 | aestil | Is that where shadows are being done? |
| 23:12.53 | Gnarfoz | (or something) |
| 23:12.55 | aestil | that makes no sense. |
| 23:13.12 | Gnarfoz | my GPU is bored with WoW |
| 23:13.25 | Gnarfoz | changing GPU related settings has no effect whatsoever on my FPS =( |
| 23:13.50 | Gnarfoz | but shadows... easy to kill your fps with |
| 23:14.49 | nevcairiel | you can't easily do shadows on the GPU |
| 23:14.52 | Gnarfoz | apropos kill, I'm exhausted |
| 23:15.00 | Mikk | you wouldn't even need to 100% unlink the lua interpreter from the renderer |
| 23:15.08 | Gnarfoz | looks around for stray SC2 beta keys |
| 23:15.34 | nevcairiel | You know whats fun, disabling shadows doesnt really influence my fps either |
| 23:15.37 | Mikk | just have the UI subsystem and gamefield separate |
| 23:15.43 | nevcairiel | i can change whatever settings, and it doesnt change |
| 23:16.03 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: there's got to be something better than "blob" shadows that can be done mostly (or even entirely) on the GPU? |
| 23:16.08 | vhaarr | you set maxfps to 30? :P |
| 23:16.15 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: with CUDA or similar, sure. |
| 23:16.25 | Gnarfoz | btw, shadow slider to the left ~= turning off shadows via cvar, for some reason |
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| 23:16.41 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: why would that be necessary? ;\ stencil shadows or something? |
| 23:16.51 | nevcairiel | there are no opengl or dx functions to deal with shadows, sadly |
| 23:16.59 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 23:17.10 | Gnarfoz | you say CUDA |
| 23:17.17 | Gnarfoz | I say "shaders of any kind"? |
| 23:17.22 | Gnarfoz | (does that make sense) |
| 23:17.35 | nevcairiel | i dont think you can do it with pixel shaders |
| 23:17.44 | Gnarfoz | the goal is not perfect soft shadows with blending of whatever the hell is possible - just more than "blobs" :D |
| 23:17.47 | nevcairiel | we need a global lighting model, clearly |
| 23:18.23 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, wow does seem very cpu bound |
| 23:18.25 | Gnarfoz | how many healers do you (anyone) use for Lana'thel (25, normal)? |
| 23:18.57 | nevcairiel | I played around with that a bit, on a i7 and a gtx260, its pretty much even |
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| 23:20.11 | nevcairiel | but it still doesnt come close to the performance it should manage |
| 23:20.46 | nevcairiel | but yeah, somehow managing to seperate 3d and UI rendering would be a good thing |
| 23:21.20 | ckknight | some folk'll never eat a skunk |
| 23:21.25 | ckknight | but then again some folk'll |
| 23:21.36 | ckknight | like Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel. |
| 23:22.42 | nevcairiel | wonder when we'll have enough performance for a real global lighting engine |
| 23:22.46 | nevcairiel | probably be some time |
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