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| 00:49.07 | pompy | whats the shortcut to hide the zone map again? |
| 00:49.30 | pompy | nevermind! |
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| 01:07.03 | pompy | http://pastebin.com/d50706c52 hmm |
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| 01:13.30 | Tentacled | Hmm. Am I correct in my thinking that frame:SetScript("OnSomething",funcref) would result in direct calls to the func, hence no global lookup, while <OnSomething> MyFunction(self,arg1,arg2) </OnSomething> would just be a global lookup, wasteful as fock? |
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| 01:17.23 | vhaarr | a global lookup is not "wasteful as fock", it looks like at your level of expertise, you have other things to worry about than these miniscule "optimizations" that people talk about in this channel |
| 01:17.28 | vhaarr | get your head on straight and code your shit |
| 01:23.04 | Tentacled | Downtalking, thank you so much. Well, a local variable access IS faster than a global lookup, is it not? If a script is set directly to a function ref and not to an XML-contained piece of global-calling code, it should be faster, by some degree. My question was not by how much would that affect CPU usage, but whether or not my assumption is correct. |
| 01:23.54 | Shadowed | vhaarr: is right |
| 01:24.09 | Shadowed | Learn how to code things first, then learn how to optimize |
| 01:24.42 | Tentacled | And where has my apparent lack of expertise become so painfully obvious? |
| 01:25.02 | Shadowed | The fact that you asked if a global lookup is wasteful |
| 01:25.46 | Tentacled | That was a 'confirming the apparently obvious' question. |
| 01:28.15 | Tentacled | I mean, some addons have all these localizing-all-global-functions bits, and yet have one-liner function calls in their XML. That would lead one to believe that somehow it's not a waste of CPU cycles, while it seems to me that if one is already taking extra steps to localize ipairs etc., one would also move widget event handlers out of XML, so that there are no global calls there. |
| 01:28.28 | Shefki | The contents of OnSomething are an anonymous function, so technically yes there's an extra function call, big whoop. |
| 01:28.44 | Tentacled | An extra GLOBAL function call, to boot. |
| 01:28.53 | Shefki | Tentacled: They have those for things that happen a lot. |
| 01:28.55 | WobWork | Tentacled: people localise global function calls due to the number of calls made |
| 01:29.09 | Shadowed | WobWork: even then it doesn't matter too much |
| 01:29.13 | WobWork | if you're calling, say, a maths function on something over NINE THOUSAND TIMES |
| 01:29.24 | WobWork | then you might save some lookups with a localised global |
| 01:29.35 | Shadowed | Antiarc tested it and the profiling difference was negligible even when called thousands and thousands of times |
| 01:29.56 | Shefki | Even then I'm not sure why people think the performance of global lookups are somehow slower than local lookups. |
| 01:30.03 | Shefki | It just uses a different environment for the lookup. |
| 01:30.05 | Shadowed | it's very slightly more efficient, but it's not night and day |
| 01:30.18 | Shefki | I suppose you could argue that table lookups are slower for larger tables than smaller ones. |
| 01:30.19 | Antiarc | erm, Shefki, that's not quite true |
| 01:30.25 | Antiarc | upvalues are on the stack, rather than the heap, AFAIK |
| 01:30.28 | Shadowed | Think the number was something like, 0.5 seconds faster over 10,000 calls or something? |
| 01:30.29 | Antiarc | So it is moderately different |
| 01:30.45 | Antiarc | But the performance isn't something to get in a twist over unless you're calling something dozens of times per frame |
| 01:31.08 | Shadowed | which you'll pretty much never do |
| 01:32.17 | Tentacled | My, my, you tend to be so much helpful at times, and not at all at other times ;P I was merely asking if indeed - as for a Lua-bytecode layman - my assumption is correct, that Frame:SetScript results in direct function calls, while XML code is an anonymous func that calls my target function as a global. |
| 01:32.49 | Shefki | Tentacled: Just use the new syntax in the XML file. |
| 01:32.59 | Shadowed | There's a difference between asking and asking and saying "Is it wasteful as fuck?" |
| 01:33.24 | Tentacled | That's not exactly my grammar, well. ;P |
| 01:33.26 | Shadowed | When you ask the latter you imply that it's an actual amount that matters, not just a question |
| 01:33.40 | Shefki | <OnSomething function="MyFunction"/ > |
| 01:33.45 | Shefki | Look no anonymous function. |
| 01:33.55 | Tentacled | Ah. That's exactly what I was trying to find out! |
| 01:33.59 | Tentacled | Shefki++ |
| 01:34.02 | Tentacled | :) |
| 01:34.24 | Shefki | s/\/ / \// |
| 01:34.25 | Tentacled | I thought I saw that somewhere. |
| 01:34.37 | Shefki | It's all over the place in Blizzard's code. |
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| 01:35.28 | Tentacled | not everywhere ;P |
| 01:35.39 | Shadowed | It's still relatively new |
| 01:35.42 | Shadowed | was only added in like 3.1 |
| 01:35.44 | Tentacled | sloppy Blizzies. |
| 01:36.16 | Shefki | Fair warning it does the function lookup when it parses the XML so you better make sure the function exists before the XML is parsed. |
| 01:36.56 | Tentacled | Thought so. |
| 01:36.58 | Shefki | So it should be incredibly fast by your standards :P |
| 01:37.29 | Tentacled | Well, it'd just be "as fast as it gets" and that's pretty much what I'm willing to settle for. ;P |
| 01:39.34 | harl | i hate it when i have to delete /Cache/ just to stop the game from crashing when i mouseover one of my items |
| 01:40.06 | harl | or from logging me out. either way.. |
| 01:42.04 | Shefki | harl: Never had that happen. |
| 01:44.45 | harl | it's happened to me once about every month, because something corrupts one of the files, probably the gameobjectscache-whatever.. |
| 01:45.22 | harl | and it's especially happened right after switching equipment sets. |
| 01:46.29 | Shefki | Sounds like a hardware or filesystem issue to me. |
| 01:47.21 | Torhal | Shefki: Maybe not - I need to track this down, but every patch when the cache is wiped, Collectinator DCs me and I've had the same report from others. |
| 01:47.57 | Shefki | Torhal: Tooltip scanning? |
| 01:48.32 | Shefki | Actually it doesn't really matter. |
| 01:48.48 | Torhal | Shefki: Like I said, I need to track it down. I DO use Tooltip-scanning, but I don't remember if I do it before or after hitting the scan button. The DCs happen before. |
| 01:48.50 | Shefki | Anything that causes a lot of requests from the server for item information since it's not cached can cause the game to dump you. |
| 01:48.55 | Shefki | THere's nothing to track down. |
| 01:48.58 | Shefki | It's normal behavior. |
| 01:49.11 | Torhal | Yeah there is - where I'm calling too much, so I can throttle it :) |
| 01:49.25 | Shefki | There's no way to know how much to throttle it. |
| 01:49.33 | Shefki | You're not the only thing causing queries. |
| 01:49.48 | Torhal | This is true. |
| 01:49.49 | Shefki | And it doesn't seem to be based on rate but total number of queries over a long period of time. |
| 01:50.12 | Torhal | Well, in the case of Collectinator, it happens immediately on load. |
| 01:50.30 | Torhal | With AddonLoader, I see "AddonLoader: Loading Collectinator." and then I'm at the password screen |
| 01:50.55 | Shefki | After patches it's best to log into a low level too first. |
| 01:50.57 | Shefki | toon* |
| 01:51.10 | Shefki | So that the cache starts to be built from a character with less stuff. |
| 01:51.18 | Shefki | The more stuff you have the more likely you are to run into those issues. |
| 02:00.57 | Repo | 10keepers-prio (experimental): 03cody_ * r2 prio.toc: inck: initial code commit |
| 02:01.04 | Repo | 10keepers-prio (experimental): 03cody_ * r3 prio.lua: inck: initial code commit |
| 02:01.37 | Repo | 10keepers-prio (experimental): 03cody_ * r4 Libs (26 files in 11 directories): ck: import of libs |
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| 02:06.04 | Gagorian | umm |
| 02:06.09 | Gagorian | is that last commit what I'm afraid it is? |
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| 02:07.09 | Shadowed | Given it's 26 files in 11 directories |
| 02:07.09 | Shadowed | yes |
| 02:09.01 | Yivry | wait a sec... did he just upload the libs into his own project? d'oh! >.< |
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| 02:20.44 | Repo | 10grid2statusdungeonrole: 03Sayclub * r17 locales/koKR.lua: added koKR |
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| 02:23.59 | Repo | 10keepers-prio (experimental): 03cody_ * r5 Libs/AceConfig-3.0 (13 files in 5 directories): added AceConfig-3.0 |
| 02:24.58 | NeoTron | ~fail cody |
| 02:24.59 | purl | cody, you Fail! |
| 02:25.19 | NeoTron | @describe keepers-prio |
| 02:25.20 | Repo | NeoTron: http://www.wowace.com/addons/keepers-prio/. Keepers Prio. Addon for priority management of combat skills for all classes |
| 02:31.53 | Repo | 10grid2: 03Sayclub * r373 Options/locales/koKR.lua: koKR update |
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| 03:50.37 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4_pohbar/. PitBull4_POHBar. Hirnlos (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 03:52.08 | Primer | Anyone have any opinion regarding the started druid builds for resto and tanking linked to from here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Druid_builds ? |
| 03:52.30 | Primer | s/started/starter/ |
| 03:52.52 | Primer | My druid turned 80 last night, and I wiped both his talent specs last night |
| 03:58.20 | Primer | OMG, there's an ad for an APC UPS on wowhead.com that reads "Introducing gank-proof power protection", and "The protection you need to prevent DCing" |
| 03:59.00 | Primer | and has a bad picture of a blood elf female dressed in a manly waiter's suit |
| 03:59.05 | harl | prefers individuality and experimental setups, so he wouldn't know about pre-defined builds or guides. |
| 04:01.58 | DWSR | Primer: You should have leveled a warlock |
| 04:02.12 | Primer | the druid is my 4th 80 |
| 04:02.16 | Primer | my 1st is a warlock |
| 04:02.21 | DWSR | Ah, good man. |
| 04:02.23 | DWSR | Main spec? |
| 04:02.27 | Primer | destro still |
| 04:02.33 | DWSR | ~fail |
| 04:02.34 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, fail is what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. standing in the fire. |
| 04:02.35 | Primer | never bothered to re-spec since conflag |
| 04:02.48 | DWSR | It does fine PvE DPS, tbh. |
| 04:02.51 | DWSR | You should be Affliction though |
| 04:02.53 | Torhal | Gagorian, Shadowed: I just PM'd the guy telling him that hard-embedding is bad and why, then pointed him to the appropriate KB articles. |
| 04:03.06 | Primer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m09mQ5VpyNQ <-- tell me that's fail |
| 04:03.26 | Torhal | Failing that, I'll just move the project to CF when he requests non-experimental. |
| 04:03.27 | Shadowed | you should have just deleted it |
| 04:03.38 | Torhal | Heh |
| 04:03.42 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:03.44 | DWSR | Hard-embedding? |
| 04:03.53 | Primer | the rotation is just so easy |
| 04:03.56 | Torhal | DWSR: He put all of the libs he's using directly into his repo |
| 04:03.59 | DWSR | Primer: 8.2k? Yes. Fail. |
| 04:04.06 | DWSR | Torhal: Meh, easy mistake. |
| 04:04.14 | Torhal | DWSR: Which is why I PM'd him. |
| 04:04.16 | DWSR | Torhal: I would have probably done that too if I didn't know about externals. |
| 04:04.24 | Primer | DWSR: my lock isn't my best geared toon |
| 04:04.37 | Torhal | If he doesn't do what I suggested, as I said, I'll just move him to CurseForge. |
| 04:04.40 | Primer | I have like, 3 pieces of 264 |
| 04:04.52 | Primer | the rest 245 |
| 04:04.54 | DWSR | Primer: lulz, I have like 3 piece of 264 and do about 8k as Demo. |
| 04:05.09 | Primer | I did Naxx as demon |
| 04:05.13 | Primer | fun as shit |
| 04:05.15 | DWSR | Yep. |
| 04:05.18 | DWSR | I R ILLIDAN |
| 04:05.25 | DWSR | U R NOT PREPARED |
| 04:05.35 | DWSR | My favourite is tanking heroic bosses. |
| 04:05.41 | Primer | yeah, I loved topping aoe dps with immolation aula |
| 04:05.44 | DWSR | With diva tanks who go "mind if I pull"? |
| 04:05.57 | DWSR | So I usually ninja pull the boss and pop demon form with the healer healing me. |
| 04:06.16 | DWSR | We spank it down and go "Yes. I do. Mind pulling a bit more quickly please?" |
| 04:06.26 | arkanes | Primer: you raid healing or 5 mans? |
| 04:06.27 | Primer | I loved ganking melee the most |
| 04:06.39 | DWSR | Primer: Rogues make my lulz as demo. |
| 04:06.40 | Primer | arkanes: 5 mans, since I just turned 80 last night |
| 04:06.48 | DWSR | lolwut Felguard + Immolation aura? |
| 04:06.53 | DWSR | Oh, and 50% reduced stun cooldown |
| 04:06.54 | Primer | DWSR: except the rogues that know better |
| 04:07.00 | Primer | vanish, wait...fuck you up |
| 04:07.16 | DWSR | Primer: Vanish works really badly against pets + dots + immo aura. |
| 04:07.21 | DWSR | Primer: Especially with charge. |
| 04:07.32 | arkanes | get revitalize instead of natures grace, then |
| 04:07.56 | Primer | arkanes: ok, thanks. What about the tank spec? |
| 04:07.58 | DWSR | Primer: Even the newer version of Vanish. I can still get rogues to pop out usually. |
| 04:08.06 | arkanes | druid tanking I don't know about |
| 04:08.15 | Primer | DWSR: yeah, double charge is awesome |
| 04:09.24 | DWSR | Primer: My favourite is someone like a warrior coming at me when Decimation's up. |
| 04:09.29 | DWSR | Primer: Charge stun, Soul Fire, poof. |
| 04:09.46 | DWSR | There's a pile of ash where that warrior once stood |
| 04:10.12 | DWSR | Yummy soulfire decimation crits with Demon Form popped |
| 04:10.22 | DWSR | I hit a full relentless warrior for something stupid like 16k |
| 04:10.29 | Primer | back when I was leveling I don't think there was decimation |
| 04:10.34 | Primer | at least, it doesn't ring a bell |
| 04:10.45 | DWSR | Hehe, it's an awesome talent. |
| 04:11.02 | DWSR | Whenever you hit a target that is under 35% health with Incinerate, Soul Fire, or Shadow Bolt, you gain Decimation (buff). |
| 04:11.17 | DWSR | It lasts 10 seconds, and causes Soul Fire to not cost a shard and have a reduced cast time. |
| 04:11.21 | DWSR | I think it's a 30% reduction. |
| 04:11.31 | arkanes | Primer: that page hasn't been updatd since 3.1 :\ |
| 04:11.40 | Primer | arkanes: I know, which is why I'm asking here |
| 04:11.49 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=63158 |
| 04:11.57 | Primer | I need to spec like, tonight, and I hate change specs 3 times in one day |
| 04:12.20 | DWSR | Primer: I once mowed down 4 people with Decimation up |
| 04:12.22 | arkanes | you basically have 3 discretionaly points |
| 04:12.26 | DWSR | It was kinda disgusting, actually. |
| 04:12.37 | DWSR | Popped demon form to gank one guy, someone noticed me, came running over. |
| 04:12.38 | Primer | DWSR: yeah, I remember doing that too |
| 04:12.42 | arkanes | and you can either get natures grace, revitalize, or spread them around to some other useless stuff |
| 04:12.48 | Primer | soloing melee 3-4 levels higher than me |
| 04:13.06 | DWSR | Primer: I killed a DK through AMS once. |
| 04:13.15 | arkanes | natures grace is excellent if you're tank healing and can cast enough nourishes to keep it procced, revitalize is meh but it is nice for your DPS if you're rejuve blanketing |
| 04:13.17 | Primer | arkanes: perhaps you could spec it and link? :) |
| 04:13.31 | DWSR | Was like level 78 or something with like 14k health, popped AMS and I blew through it in 1 soulfire. |
| 04:13.34 | DWSR | it and him* |
| 04:14.06 | Primer | arkanes: well, I'm thinking low level gear (I have hardly any resto gear), and heroics |
| 04:14.11 | arkanes | Primer: this is my druid, who heals 5 mans: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Heley |
| 04:14.28 | arkanes | Primer: regen will be your biggest enemy at first, glyph innervate and you'll be fine |
| 04:14.48 | arkanes | you can gear up amazingly fast, I went from "omg this is hard" to "yawn 1 rejuve handles everything" in 3 days |
| 04:15.06 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:15.13 | DWSR | Everyone bitching about gear definitely is bad at this game. |
| 04:15.23 | arkanes | Repo: this is our druid healer, whos 1/2 of our 10 man raid team: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Yopu |
| 04:15.33 | arkanes | Primer: ^ |
| 04:15.52 | quiescens | silly repo |
| 04:16.01 | Primer | arkanes: yup, I expect no less |
| 04:18.05 | WobWork | Primer: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Snuufur&gn=Titans+of+Grey is my spec |
| 04:18.13 | WobWork | it's pretty cookie cutter |
| 04:18.29 | WobWork | and the Revitalise can be moved about |
| 04:18.59 | Primer | that's what I'm looking for. Entry level cookie cutter spec |
| 04:19.06 | Primer | I mean, shit, I have greens |
| 04:19.37 | arkanes | I suppose you might want to max out tranquil spirit for the mana |
| 04:19.43 | Primer | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&cn=Funkybear |
| 04:19.47 | arkanes | but really, glyph innervate instead |
| 04:19.59 | Primer | I just happened to equip all the resto gear I had |
| 04:20.05 | Primer | I hadn't spec'd resto at all |
| 04:20.12 | Primer | I leveled feral DPS/tank |
| 04:20.19 | WobWork | hm, I didn't reglyph the rapid rejuv |
| 04:20.31 | arkanes | I'm not really that excited about rapid rejuve |
| 04:20.35 | WobWork | damnit, I really need a good tree healing addon that tracks hots better |
| 04:20.54 | Shefki | Rapid Rejuv should probably be your standard glyph but change it to the normal Rejuv glyph for heavy aoe fights. |
| 04:21.06 | Shefki | Or Nourish if it's a fight that you find yourself direct healing a lot. |
| 04:21.13 | Thrae | WobWork: FreebGrid? |
| 04:21.20 | Shefki | Basically you pretty much have to change glyphs as a Resto Druid now. |
| 04:21.20 | Thrae | w/ plugins |
| 04:21.23 | WobWork | Thrae: linky? |
| 04:21.27 | arkanes | WobWork: thats basically the gear I started in |
| 04:21.37 | WobWork | arkanes: yeah, all the crafted you can get |
| 04:21.42 | WobWork | plus some heroic purples |
| 04:21.59 | arkanes | better in someplaces, really |
| 04:22.07 | arkanes | but I had caster heirlooms |
| 04:22.10 | WobWork | oh hm, that's my feral stuff |
| 04:22.25 | arkanes | well some of it is |
| 04:22.28 | WobWork | my resto gear is the purple leather |
| 04:22.31 | arkanes | I assumed you didn't have feral pieces |
| 04:22.33 | WobWork | moonshroud |
| 04:22.37 | Thrae | WobWork: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12264-oUF_Freebgrid.html <-- that's what I use for Tree, with other mods to help sometimes, but I'm more of a Feral Tank |
| 04:22.39 | arkanes | ah |
| 04:22.45 | arkanes | I got the boots made, but nothing else |
| 04:22.53 | WobWork | arkanes: eh, that's -all- feral gear on the armoury link |
| 04:23.06 | arkanes | no? |
| 04:23.15 | arkanes | not the one I'm seeing |
| 04:23.21 | arkanes | you've got feral legs, boots, trinkets |
| 04:23.29 | arkanes | and 1 ring |
| 04:23.30 | Primer | Here's the cookie cutter spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0VG0zZZf0IuiuxiuVhsVo |
| 04:23.33 | Aeyan | Thrae: I noticed you've been scampering around on Maelstrom again, hehe. |
| 04:23.35 | Thrae | WobWork: It's like Grid except not necessary to go through one thousand configuration options. clad recommended it to me. |
| 04:23.50 | Thrae | Aeyan: I didn't know I was being watched! |
| 04:24.20 | WobWork | arkanes: head shoulders and chest are feral too... no? |
| 04:24.22 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 04:24.29 | Aeyan | Stalked from the shadows |
| 04:24.35 | WobWork | and gloves |
| 04:24.38 | Aeyan | Actually, I saw you over by the bank in Dalaran a few times |
| 04:24.42 | Primer | <arkanes> get revitalize instead of natures grace, then |
| 04:24.52 | arkanes | WobWork: not on the think I'm looking at |
| 04:24.53 | Primer | That spec doesn't have nature's grace |
| 04:24.56 | WobWork | arkanes: unless my definition of feral gear greatly differs...? |
| 04:25.02 | WobWork | ie anything leatherish with agi? |
| 04:25.11 | Thrae | Aeyan: Yeah I came back for Random Dungeons, which I find a good thing since I don't have enough time for most raids. |
| 04:25.16 | arkanes | well I expect you don't think int/spirit leather is feral :P |
| 04:25.29 | arkanes | I actually just closed the tab |
| 04:25.35 | WobWork | arkanes: you're looking at the Snuufur link, right? |
| 04:25.38 | arkanes | no |
| 04:25.40 | Thrae | And also because I play a Tank == InstaQueue! |
| 04:25.44 | arkanes | that might be the confusion :P |
| 04:25.46 | WobWork | yeah, cause that other one? Not me =P |
| 04:25.53 | WobWork | Thrae: preach it =) |
| 04:25.54 | arkanes | I'm looking at Funkybear |
| 04:26.02 | arkanes | which sure enoiugh is Primer |
| 04:26.08 | Primer | yes |
| 04:26.14 | WobWork | ah, that's Primer =) |
| 04:26.18 | Primer | that's my recently turned, never-once-went-resto, druid |
| 04:26.24 | Primer | recently turned 80, that is |
| 04:26.37 | Thrae | WobWork: As a Feral Tank, I've found I can now replace Agi with Str if I can't find good enough Agi, since Savage Defense justifies more AP. |
| 04:26.42 | arkanes | celestian focus in your resto build? |
| 04:26.42 | Primer | and hence, lacks 100% resto gear, but I'll just craft some shit tonight |
| 04:27.08 | arkanes | and no living spirit |
| 04:27.09 | arkanes | interesting |
| 04:27.17 | arkanes | well, non-full |
| 04:27.18 | WobWork | Thrae: yeah, I'm tossing up between the two ton hammer and the staff of the plaguehound |
| 04:27.19 | Thrae | Of course if I wasn't pre-raid epics I would have much better stats |
| 04:27.36 | WobWork | the hammer has str and a higher ilvl than the staff |
| 04:27.40 | Thrae | But I can still tank Heroic Tyrranus no matter how much the healer whines |
| 04:27.43 | WobWork | but the staff has agi |
| 04:27.48 | Aeyan | Yeah, tank queuing as tank is nice. |
| 04:27.53 | Aeyan | Err |
| 04:27.59 | Aeyan | Proofread more |
| 04:28.04 | WobWork | I'm too squishy for the ICC5mans =( |
| 04:28.05 | arkanes | I can't tank heroics anymore |
| 04:28.07 | arkanes | drives me nutty |
| 04:28.21 | WobWork | I'll need to get two pieces of T8 |
| 04:28.24 | Torhal | DWSR: Hrm. How do I restart networking with Gentoo? I'm used to /etc/rc.d/networking restart |
| 04:28.33 | Primer | oh god, people still use gentoo? |
| 04:28.40 | arkanes | are you using network manager? |
| 04:28.41 | WobWork | or maybe slot in some 232 non set gear |
| 04:28.46 | Torhal | arkanes: No. |
| 04:28.49 | DWSR | Torhal: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:28.54 | Torhal | Primer: I don't have a bunch of cruft running. |
| 04:28.54 | Primer | yeah |
| 04:28.59 | Thrae | WobWork: What's your Bear Health, Armour, and Dodge about? Mine's ~36k health 26k armour 32% dodge unbuffed |
| 04:29.01 | Primer | and watch as it stops ssh, apache, etc... |
| 04:29.12 | Thrae | WobWork: Whoops, make that 39k health in Bear |
| 04:29.13 | Primer | when it's absolutely unnecessary |
| 04:29.16 | Torhal | Primer: I don't have a bunch of cruft running :) |
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| 04:29.35 | WobWork | Thrae: haha, nothing near that |
| 04:29.52 | Torhal | DWSR: Yay. Now I have to discover which ebuild to get. |
| 04:29.55 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:30.03 | DWSR | :) |
| 04:30.06 | Primer | Torhal: do yourself a favor: ditch gentoo, quick |
| 04:30.13 | Thrae | WobWork: Some people have asked me how my Stam is so high. The reason is WotLK added a bunch of cheap enchants to add to most everything for +18 Stam, and to Leggs for +40 or +55 Stam along with +Agi |
| 04:30.29 | Thrae | WobWork: Add that with the +24 Stamina gems (not worrying about socket bonuses too much) |
| 04:30.34 | Torhal | Primer: I will if I have issues with it. Thusfar it far outdoes Ubuntu. |
| 04:30.39 | WobWork | Thrae: according to armory... 6k prebear armor |
| 04:30.42 | WobWork | 22% dodge |
| 04:31.01 | WobWork | and 19k health unbear |
| 04:31.11 | Primer | Torhal: I used gentoo like, 3 years ago...it became unmaintainable fast |
| 04:31.26 | Thrae | WobWork: Your dodge will also change in Bear, it's calculated differently. But yeah 19k health in Bear for a Feral is low for a Feral Tank. Are you Tank-spec'd right now? |
| 04:31.27 | Primer | I used it for close to 2 years, even made my own ebuilds |
| 04:31.28 | DWSR | Torhal: /etc/rc.d/ -> /etc/init.d/ |
| 04:31.34 | Torhal | http://www.invisiblehairsuit.com/old_people.htm |
| 04:31.37 | WobWork | Thrae: eh, the only socket bonus you need to worry about is your meta |
| 04:31.41 | arkanes | 19k bear health is *very* low |
| 04:31.44 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:31.46 | WobWork | Thrae: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Snuufur&gn=Titans+of+Grey |
| 04:31.49 | Thrae | arkanes: Pre-bear |
| 04:31.52 | Torhal | DWSR: There is no networking file in there |
| 04:31.53 | WobWork | arkanes: 19k prebear |
| 04:31.59 | Torhal | So I need another ebuild. |
| 04:32.02 | DWSR | Torhal: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:32.05 | arkanes | you said in bear a second ago :P |
| 04:32.06 | DWSR | restart your interfaces? |
| 04:32.15 | WobWork | arkanes: unbear =) |
| 04:32.25 | Torhal | DWSR: Trying to reload my hosts file. |
| 04:32.39 | Thrae | Crap, this needs Flash |
| 04:32.40 | DWSR | Torhal: /etc/init.d/net.intf restart |
| 04:33.02 | DWSR | where intf is the interface you're using. |
| 04:33.18 | Primer | ugh, you still have to know the name of the interface? |
| 04:33.21 | Primer | wow |
| 04:33.30 | DWSR | Primer: Err, net.* |
| 04:33.44 | Primer | is it still a symlink to net.lo? |
| 04:34.12 | Thrae | WobWork: You have better Feral gear than I do :D But I can't see your sockets or enchants... |
| 04:34.19 | Torhal | Hrm |
| 04:34.39 | arkanes | sigh I just turned eth0 off on a machine I was connected to remotely |
| 04:34.43 | arkanes | think, man, think |
| 04:34.46 | Thrae | Haha, you also have the "useless" Engineering like I do |
| 04:34.52 | Primer | Torhal: anyhow, I never was a debian fan, therefore have never used Ubuntu...I use Centos for my servers, and Fedora for my workstations |
| 04:34.55 | arkanes | ifconfig eth0 up/down is what I'd use |
| 04:35.12 | Primer | arkanes: sounds like he wants to apply new interface settings |
| 04:35.16 | Primer | not just bring it up and down |
| 04:35.20 | DWSR | Torhal: You can also do ifup/ifdown intf |
| 04:35.36 | WobWork | Thrae: hehe, nothing gemmed or enchanted |
| 04:35.40 | WobWork | aside from the engineering enchants |
| 04:35.54 | arkanes | engineering isnt terrible |
| 04:35.56 | WobWork | also RocketBear makes engineering totally worth it |
| 04:36.08 | arkanes | the armor enchant is excellent, probably worth the stam loss |
| 04:36.10 | WobWork | and the exploding sheep |
| 04:36.15 | arkanes | inscription is bad, though |
| 04:36.17 | Thrae | WobWork: Well that's why your Stam is so low, duh. You only need to spend about 300g to get all the Stam enchants I have: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Maelstrom&cn=Thrae |
| 04:36.28 | WobWork | eh, I have inscription |
| 04:36.34 | WobWork | so I do'nt have to grind Sons of Hodir |
| 04:36.35 | Thrae | WobWork: Sorry, Enchants + Sockets |
| 04:36.37 | arkanes | yeah, its a bad tanking profession |
| 04:36.42 | arkanes | tanks use the PVP shoulder enchant |
| 04:36.43 | Primer | I think I'm just going to go with the cookie cutter specs on wowhead... |
| 04:36.52 | WobWork | arkanes: other spec is healing |
| 04:37.04 | arkanes | inscriptions still bad :P |
| 04:37.07 | WobWork | hehe =) |
| 04:37.12 | WobWork | I couldn't be arsed grinding JC again |
| 04:37.17 | arkanes | WobWork: you know that the hodir enchants are BOA now, right? |
| 04:37.30 | WobWork | arkanes: I don't have -any- toon that's exalted yet with them |
| 04:37.39 | Thrae | WobWork: Also, for PvE 5-man, 5/5 Furor is a must. |
| 04:37.55 | arkanes | its probably cheaper to grind it on one toon than to level inscripotion on everything |
| 04:37.56 | Torhal | DWSR: I don't want to simply restart the interface. I want changes to /etc/hosts to propogate |
| 04:38.12 | DWSR | Torhal: Shouldn't they propogate automatically? |
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| 04:38.26 | Thrae | WobWork: It's also pretty damn useful in PvP, including Arena, but only the latter if you know how to use it. |
| 04:38.40 | WobWork | Thrae: move imp gotw to that? |
| 04:38.47 | WobWork | er imp motw |
| 04:38.51 | Torhal | No. With Ubuntu (and before that Mandrake, and before that RedHat), you have to restart the networking subsystem |
| 04:39.05 | Torhal | Apparently that's also the case with Gentoo, because restarting eth0 did nothing. |
| 04:39.40 | Thrae | WobWork: Also, you have 2/3 in King of the Jungle. That is a Key Talent IMHO that should always have 3/3 for all Feral builds. Improved Mangle, on the other hand, is not nearly as useful. |
| 04:39.47 | WobWork | hm, I wonder if I've actually respecced properly since 80 |
| 04:40.25 | DWSR | Torhal: Did you restart lo as well? |
| 04:40.25 | Thrae | WobWork: They changed King of the Jungle if you looked at it recently. It now reduces Shapeshifting costs as an added bonus, but the real greatness is the damage increase while Enraged. |
| 04:40.39 | Thrae | WobWork: Look at my spec, I think it's pretty optimal for Bear Tanking |
| 04:40.50 | Thrae | As well as "Off DPS" |
| 04:40.58 | Torhal | DWSR: /facepalm |
| 04:41.01 | Torhal | That worked. |
| 04:41.07 | DWSR | ;) |
| 04:41.20 | Torhal | Danke |
| 04:41.37 | Thrae | WobWork: Finally, Glyph of Rebirth for Feral Tanking == WIN in both PvE and PvP |
| 04:42.03 | Thrae | Glyph of Survival Instincts adds really a tiny amount of health when you do the math |
| 04:43.11 | WobWork | Thrae: really, the rebirth glyph? |
| 04:43.21 | WobWork | don't you like... die if you shift out with aggro? |
| 04:43.40 | Thrae | WobWork: Lots of Bosses have Waves |
| 04:43.40 | DWSR | Torhal: Anything else? |
| 04:43.47 | DWSR | WobWork: Yeah, but you don't have aggro all the time. |
| 04:43.50 | WobWork | good point |
| 04:43.55 | arkanes | if you're very pro, you can do it between swing timers |
| 04:44.01 | arkanes | risky, though |
| 04:44.03 | Thrae | Yeah, if you also lose aggro |
| 04:44.10 | WobWork | I'm always fumbly about that spell =P |
| 04:44.11 | Thrae | It used to be more fun when Rebirth was Instant |
| 04:44.19 | Torhal | DWSR: Naw. |
| 04:44.19 | DWSR | Does shapeshifting trigger the GCD? |
| 04:44.24 | arkanes | heh, I thought it still was until recently |
| 04:44.24 | WobWork | I have it on an almost inacessible keybind =P |
| 04:44.28 | WobWork | so I don't accidentally mash it |
| 04:44.41 | Thrae | DWSR: Yes, but not ending a shapeshift unless you're going into another shapeshift |
| 04:44.50 | arkanes | I got to 80 and did some instances and then finally had to use it was unpleasantly surprised to find out it had a cast time now |
| 04:45.26 | arkanes | reverting to caster and going to the same form are free |
| 04:45.27 | Thrae | Even with the GCD, PowerShifting is still fun, especially in PvP |
| 04:45.46 | arkanes | it does break a channel, though :( |
| 04:46.04 | arkanes | so when I want to hurricane in tree form I have to manually unshift first |
| 04:46.07 | arkanes | I guess I should macro it |
| 04:46.27 | WobWork | hehe powershifting |
| 04:46.52 | WobWork | I <3 non-WoW terms that apply, even when they shouldn't |
| 04:46.57 | DWSR | arkanes: No, ending a shapeshift doesn't trigger the GCD. |
| 04:47.05 | Thrae | WobWork: If you like BGs or even Arena, PowerShifting is 3/3 King of Jungle and/or 3/3 in Natural Shapeshifter. With both, my two main forms are ~135 mana at Level 80. With around 7k mana, that's 51 shifts without counting regen. |
| 04:47.07 | arkanes | DWSR: that would be "reverting to caster" |
| 04:47.14 | WobWork | Thrae: I'm terrible at pvp |
| 04:47.29 | Thrae | Well, it's also good for PvE in 5-mans |
| 04:47.29 | DWSR | heh, whatever. |
| 04:47.31 | DWSR | Anyway, nn |
| 04:47.35 | DWSR | Off to watch some DBZ. |
| 04:47.42 | WobWork | Thrae: if anything, I heal a lot in BGs |
| 04:47.58 | Thrae | Barskin + Powershift can save your life, since both AoE Taunts and AoE in general need Rage |
| 04:48.01 | WobWork | (and die a lot) |
| 04:48.14 | Thrae | Well, save your party's life, and your life by extension |
| 04:48.24 | arkanes | I always thought the original powershift was a pretty cool mechanci |
| 04:48.36 | WobWork | arkanes: with druids, or cars? |
| 04:48.39 | arkanes | druids |
| 04:48.43 | Thrae | arkanes: Lag your enemies w/o GCD! :D |
| 04:48.58 | WobWork | hehe, like the DK shifting presences =P |
| 04:49.12 | Thrae | WobWork: Yeah, I usually go Tree in PvP because there's usually a lack of healing in BGs |
| 04:49.20 | Thrae | But Feral is more fun |
| 04:49.24 | WobWork | Thrae: Tree makes me a target |
| 04:49.33 | WobWork | so I just be in caster form |
| 04:49.45 | Thrae | WobWork: Hehe |
| 04:49.46 | WobWork | incognito! |
| 04:49.58 | arkanes | do bears powershift for rage? |
| 04:50.05 | arkanes | I can't figure why you wouldnt |
| 04:50.11 | WobWork | 5/5 furor might help that |
| 04:50.32 | WobWork | powershift into bear<->dire bear |
| 04:50.45 | Thrae | WobWork: Well your Alliance must be stupid, since that normally doesn't work when I play. Druids are now expected to be in SOME form most of the time, so a formless Druid would normally be a Healer anyway. |
| 04:50.53 | Thrae | At Level 80, anyway |
| 04:50.57 | arkanes | you can shift to the same form without leaving it, which triggers furor and the snare removal |
| 04:51.14 | WobWork | arkanes: that sounds like a -terrible- magic trink |
| 04:51.17 | WobWork | trick |
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| 04:51.32 | WobWork | "Watch me change this direbear.. into ... a DIRE BEAR!" |
| 04:51.35 | Shefki | arkanes: That's not entirely accurate, you do technically leave the form. It's just so fast that nobody can react to it. |
| 04:51.47 | WobWork | (But that trick -never- works!) |
| 04:51.49 | arkanes | no |
| 04:51.49 | Thrae | arkanes: You do technically leave it on the server side from my recent exploitations, but the clients normally don't see it |
| 04:51.53 | WobWork | (...Presto!) |
| 04:51.56 | steev | ugh, 1m wipe on putricide, he dropped a goo on melee |
| 04:51.58 | arkanes | right, it all happens server side |
| 04:52.05 | Shefki | It is entirely possible to be shifting out and back in to the same form to get caught, it just doesn't happen very often. |
| 04:52.11 | WobWork | You just look like a very dusty bear? |
| 04:52.15 | arkanes | if you double click, like you'd need to without a macro, then network latency can catch you between forms |
| 04:52.45 | arkanes | doing it with a powershift macro means it happens entirely on the server, theres no latency between the shifts |
| 04:53.01 | arkanes | I'm actually not 100% sure that you do leave the form ever on the server, I'm not sure how you'd prove it though |
| 04:53.08 | Thrae | arkanes: A stun CAN catch you in caster when shifting to the same form due to the server resolving everything like its single-tasking |
| 04:53.27 | arkanes | I suppose anythings possible that way |
| 04:53.37 | arkanes | I cleansed off my own polymorph in arena once |
| 04:53.40 | Thrae | Yeah, things that should never happen are also possible because of that :D |
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| 04:53.57 | arkanes | I'm sure it had the opposing mage as surprised as I was |
| 04:54.17 | Thrae | Overall the WoW Server mechanism is far from "innovative", but we love to hate it anyway |
| 04:54.27 | arkanes | it's scalable! |
| 04:54.37 | Thrae | Haha, scalable like a fish |
| 04:54.47 | arkanes | thats why its so stable and reliable on patch days |
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| 04:55.46 | Thrae | WobWork: Also, Shredding Attacks > Improved Mangle, even for Bear Tanks, because Lacerate owns so much now. |
| 04:56.23 | Thrae | WobWork: And if you don't PvP, skip Infected Wounds |
| 04:56.23 | WobWork | Thrae: re-he-he-heaallly? |
| 04:56.41 | WobWork | I figured -2 to rage requirements seemed ... low |
| 04:56.57 | WobWork | but -really- missed it when in catform |
| 04:57.28 | WobWork | doesn't the reduced attack speed from infected wounds help? |
| 04:57.36 | Thrae | WobWork: Well, consider you have a maximum of 100 Rage anyway which does NOT follow a "tick" mechanism like Energy does. |
| 04:57.54 | WobWork | I .. uh.. kinda have a tanking macro.. |
| 04:58.00 | WobWork | looks guilty |
| 04:58.16 | Thrae | WobWork: Normally while tanking you will get to 100 Rage quickly and stay around there. |
| 04:58.35 | WobWork | Thrae: it depends... I macro maul into everything |
| 04:58.49 | WobWork | which can suck down the rage fast depending on the encounter |
| 04:59.01 | Thrae | WobWork: Yeah, so do I, but I removed my "Swipe" and "Lacerate" macros because /castrandom has a critical failure in logic I was using. |
| 04:59.24 | Thrae | I replaced my "Maul" macro with /castsequence which works |
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| 04:59.58 | Shefki | I'm gonna bet that castrandom has no failure, you were probably just trying to use it to automate which is not the intent. |
| 05:00.00 | WobWork | yeah,it's a castsequence |
| 05:00.43 | Thrae | WobWork: Actually if you're tanking you should be spamming Maul, Mangle, and Lacerate on single targets and Maul, Mangle, and Swipe on multiple targets. If you get good at it you can juggle two or more Lacerate targets but three is pushing it for most people. |
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| 05:01.15 | Shefki | Bahh the only button for multi-target tanking is Swipe. :P |
| 05:01.22 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 05:01.25 | Shefki | Anything else is a threat loss. |
| 05:01.26 | WobWork | with maul tacked in |
| 05:01.36 | WobWork | glyphed maul is nice for that |
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| 05:01.50 | WobWork | however, if you macro mangle in |
| 05:01.53 | Shefki | Yes it's boring, yes it's dumb. |
| 05:01.57 | WobWork | you can control specific aggro better |
| 05:02.00 | Shefki | But that's the way druid tanking is. |
| 05:02.06 | Thrae | Shefki: 2x 3x Lacerate deals more damage and the same amount of threat for two targets, it's just harder to juggle. |
| 05:02.12 | WobWork | like if the single dps target is getting too much love |
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| 05:02.37 | Thrae | Lacerate deals threat even if the target is immune to Bleed damage, which is important to remember for Boss fights. |
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| 05:03.17 | Shefki | Except that if the mob is immune to bleed damage and you've got multiple mobs there's no advantage over Swipe. |
| 05:03.32 | Shefki | The only advantage trying to juggle Lacerate is more damage. |
| 05:03.40 | Thrae | Shefki: Of course *IF* the mob is immune to bleed damage |
| 05:03.56 | WobWork | FFF == <3 |
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| 05:04.23 | WobWork | the amount of threat for the cost of a GCD is awesome |
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| 05:04.35 | Shefki | In the places where it might be worth while Lacerate juggling is probably not worth it becuase the mobs are going to be dead soon anyway. |
| 05:04.42 | WobWork | it's the only thing keeping my head above water in some pugs |
| 05:04.54 | Shefki | The real fix for Druid tanking is to make CC needed in PVE again. |
| 05:05.00 | Shefki | Then you can't just spam Swipe. |
| 05:05.06 | Thrae | Shefki: Well, Lacerate's tics also increase both your threat and damage to that target, unlike Swipe which has its own specific timer |
| 05:05.14 | Thrae | Shefki: Well, yeah, that |
| 05:05.27 | Thrae | Shefki: That's a perfect world, but I've been doing a *lot* of imperfect Random Dungeons :D |
| 05:05.54 | Shefki | A blind monkey with prosthetic limbs could do heroics. |
| 05:05.58 | Thrae | Lots of situations with good tanking and good healing with low DPS, or good tanking and good healing with low DPS except one guy in Tier 10 |
| 05:06.02 | WobWork | making CC a required would obsolesce DKs as useful tanks =P |
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| 05:06.24 | Thrae | Shefki: If they're in Tier gear, sure |
| 05:06.26 | Shefki | Tanks and healers roll face on keyboard while holding forward button. DPS aoes. |
| 05:06.35 | WobWork | it's so effing difficult to multitank and -avoid- a CC'd target |
| 05:06.38 | WobWork | on a DK |
| 05:06.49 | WobWork | unless you have a lot of room |
| 05:06.54 | Shefki | Thank god something is difficult for DKs. |
| 05:07.00 | WobWork | even then, pestilence often jumps further than you expect |
| 05:07.16 | Thrae | WobWork: Isn't one of the DKs main threat AoEs Death & Decay? |
| 05:07.38 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:07.47 | WobWork | it's the best threat for rune ability |
| 05:07.52 | Shefki | I'm still utterly unconvinced why DKs need an interrupt and a silence. Or why they need an aoe snare, targeted snare (that used to be a targeted root), and a stun. |
| 05:07.58 | Thrae | Right, and Death and Decay is difficult to move around a lot |
| 05:08.06 | WobWork | Shefki: cause they're a hero class =P |
| 05:08.16 | WobWork | Thrae: well, it's easy to place |
| 05:08.19 | Thrae | Shefki: They're a "Hero" class, be glad they can't heal |
| 05:08.20 | WobWork | but that's about it =) |
| 05:08.26 | WobWork | oh we can do that too |
| 05:08.34 | steev | aoe snare? |
| 05:08.36 | Thrae | I mean Primary Heal |
| 05:08.39 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:08.39 | Shefki | I'm still convinced Blizzard put up the general class abilities on a dart board and threw darts to decide what they'd have. |
| 05:08.46 | WobWork | the pvp frost attack |
| 05:08.51 | Shefki | Every patch they put their abilities on a dart board and throw darts to choose what to nerf. |
| 05:08.51 | WobWork | freezes all targets in a 10yard radius |
| 05:09.00 | Thrae | Then you'd see 5 DK groups all over the damn place :D |
| 05:09.03 | steev | oh shefki's bitching about one of those 105 talent points dks |
| 05:09.06 | Shefki | And DKs can self heal. |
| 05:09.18 | WobWork | my frost DK takes on about 4 of those elite skeletons in Icecrown |
| 05:09.23 | WobWork | so he can mine those nodes =P |
| 05:09.24 | Thrae | Unlike the 5 Druid and Paladin groups... |
| 05:09.32 | WobWork | and he ends up with 100% health from deathstrike |
| 05:09.53 | WobWork | granted, he -is- a tank |
| 05:09.58 | Shefki | steev: Yes sure, 105 talent point DKs. |
| 05:10.09 | steev | Shefki: well you act like all dk's have all those abilities |
| 05:10.10 | Shefki | Let's see. |
| 05:10.18 | Thrae | I would say 5 Shaman group, but Pallies can Tank a lot better than Shamans from abilities alone |
| 05:10.19 | Bribri | wait wait, Shefki. Have you ever tried to kill a healer as a DK? |
| 05:10.20 | steev | rather than... the reality of having a select few of them |
| 05:10.32 | Shefki | Bribri: Not since beta. |
| 05:10.43 | Bribri | or have you ever played a melee class? |
| 05:10.45 | Shefki | But I'm gonna guess it's annoying. |
| 05:10.53 | steev | Bribri: actually - i've killed shefki before in pvp :D |
| 05:11.00 | WobWork | steev: hungering cold |
| 05:11.02 | steev | sadly, my dk isn't on that server anymore so i don't get to :( |
| 05:11.13 | Shefki | I'm not on that realm anymore either. |
| 05:11.14 | steev | WobWork: yeah i know what it is now - i thought he meant desolation |
| 05:11.22 | Thrae | Bribri: In PvP, I find a lot of classes have problems with decent Priests and Pallies |
| 05:11.33 | WobWork | steev: I hardly ever see that anymore |
| 05:11.36 | steev | decent pallies? hell any pallies |
| 05:11.42 | WobWork | of course, I don't really see that many unholy dks |
| 05:11.43 | steev | WobWork: i see it in almost every one |
| 05:11.53 | WobWork | I don't pvp a lot, of course |
| 05:11.56 | steev | tons of unholy dks in pvp (bgs of course) |
| 05:12.00 | steev | at least in our battlegroup |
| 05:12.05 | Thrae | Of course the point in PvP isn't to kill the healers, it's to annoy them enough they can't concentrate on others. |
| 05:12.09 | WobWork | it's fairly useless in pve |
| 05:12.16 | steev | 100% useelss |
| 05:12.17 | steev | less8 |
| 05:12.20 | Shefki | steev: Mind Freeze and Strangulate are both baseline abilties. |
| 05:12.21 | steev | fail |
| 05:12.22 | WobWork | Thrae: bah =P |
| 05:12.30 | Bribri | a DKs job in pvp is basically to spam chains of ice |
| 05:12.30 | WobWork | I always get focus fired and killed =( |
| 05:12.33 | Bribri | so other things can kill things |
| 05:12.35 | steev | Shefki: yes, 10 second cooldown, 2 minute cooldown |
| 05:12.38 | WobWork | as a shammy healer |
| 05:12.43 | WobWork | of course I have 0 pvp gear |
| 05:12.48 | Thrae | WobWork: You don't play against as much idiots as I do |
| 05:12.56 | Shefki | steev: Name one other class that has both a silence and a school locking interrupt? |
| 05:12.57 | Thrae | WobWork: Unless you're talking about Arena |
| 05:13.01 | Aeyan | Shadowburn has some winners |
| 05:13.08 | steev | Shefki: kick+blind |
| 05:13.08 | WobWork | Thrae: nah, I could never do arenas |
| 05:13.25 | Shefki | Blind is a CC |
| 05:13.25 | Thrae | Rogue's Blind is so *&^^$% annoying |
| 05:13.32 | WobWork | Shefki: you're probably too close to them if you're getting mind frozen |
| 05:13.42 | WobWork | strangulation is another matter though |
| 05:13.52 | steev | i still don't understand a resto druid bitching about dks |
| 05:13.59 | Bribri | they're bad |
| 05:14.03 | Shefki | They're just annoying. |
| 05:14.06 | WobWork | bad to the bone |
| 05:14.10 | Thrae | WobWork: Have you tried to kill a DK in PvP? I usually avoid them unless they're already at half health or shown to be really, really bad |
| 05:14.11 | WobWork | bbbbb bad |
| 05:14.18 | Bribri | they had a reason to bitch when we could remove hots without lifebloom blooming |
| 05:14.26 | WobWork | Thrae: I've not pvp'd much as a DK, I admit |
| 05:14.33 | steev | Bribri: say... like if they were to unnerf plague strike? |
| 05:14.40 | WobWork | cause I'm one of those aformentioned really bad ones =) |
| 05:14.59 | WobWork | I just don't have enough understanding of which cooldowns to pop when for pvp |
| 05:15.13 | steev | its annoying when attacking a resto druid and having to count their casts just to know when to actually throw the silence |
| 05:15.15 | Shefki | steev: I realize you guys have lost a lot of stuff and lost a lot of damage. I realize you guys have a difficult time killing things. I'd rather you have more damage and less of a throw the toolbox at the class design. |
| 05:15.24 | Thrae | WobWork: I remember my first time when DKs just came out. I was better geared than the DK, who had half health. I got him by surprise, got him down to 0, than he turned into some freakin' ghoul and had enough health to widdle ME down. |
| 05:15.37 | Aeyan | Those were good times |
| 05:15.54 | Aeyan | My 62 unholy DK destroyed a 70 mage in Hellfire, heh |
| 05:15.54 | steev | i miss shadow of death :( |
| 05:16.00 | Bribri | I liked when shadow of death didn't work |
| 05:16.02 | Aeyan | Broken dome and shadow of death =P |
| 05:16.11 | Bribri | and rezed me as a ghoul in a graveyard =( |
| 05:16.16 | Aeyan | I really miss shadow of death |
| 05:16.18 | steev | those were good times bri |
| 05:16.24 | Shefki | steev: I'm also alliance so I see a lot of BE DKs with their aoe silence on top of that stuff. |
| 05:16.32 | Thrae | Aeyan: That ability has been removed? I don't play a DK |
| 05:16.36 | steev | Shefki: meh, be dks fail |
| 05:16.38 | WobWork | I miss Shadow of Death |
| 05:16.41 | Aeyan | Yeah, removed a long time ago. |
| 05:16.50 | steev | that was one of the first things to go (aside from 100% ams) |
| 05:16.58 | WobWork | I also miss how it caused -0- equipment damage upon death |
| 05:17.05 | steev | 100% ams -> plague strike -> shadow of death |
| 05:17.05 | Aeyan | That was the best part |
| 05:17.13 | Bribri | the best was raise ally in arenas |
| 05:17.21 | WobWork | it was like perfect for wipes |
| 05:17.28 | WobWork | just blow yourself up, and take no gear damage |
| 05:17.29 | Shefki | That crap was annoying but mostly useless. |
| 05:17.36 | Thrae | Yeah, there was also the combo that gave DKs insane amounts of DR, but I think that was also nerfed to hell and back |
| 05:18.27 | WobWork | steev: count their casts (re resto druids?)? |
| 05:18.46 | Aeyan | Though, I'll admit, the fact that while I was leveling from 60-80 unless you dumped a group or character that way out leveled me I WOULD kill you was nice side benefit =P |
| 05:18.52 | Aeyan | Even if it was slightly broken, hehe |
| 05:18.57 | Aeyan | I might die, but they'd die too |
| 05:19.05 | steev | WobWork: you can silence a druid if you get them at the end of their hot rotation |
| 05:19.06 | Aeyan | Except for paladins |
| 05:19.14 | Aeyan | Ret was even more broken than I back then |
| 05:19.20 | steev | and typically get em to at least 3/4 before their able to cast again |
| 05:19.33 | steev | 3/4 health gone* |
| 05:19.33 | Thrae | I should re-spec for 5/5 in Naturalist *thinks outloud* It used to be 5%, now it's 10% |
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| 05:19.53 | Shefki | steev: And then force us to use a CD or pray you're dumb and direct cast something. |
| 05:20.02 | Shefki | steev: Yeah I've got nothing to complain about. |
| 05:20.04 | Thrae | Not really much of change |
| 05:20.24 | Thrae | Put 1 in Infected Wounds for fun and profit |
| 05:24.29 | Thrae | WobWork: http://wow.pastey.net/133111 <-- here's my two main bear tanking macros since 3.3 |
| 05:24.33 | steev | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2010/02/gay-marridged.jpg |
| 05:25.26 | WobWork | Thrae: cower? |
| 05:26.11 | WobWork | oh form:3 |
| 05:26.31 | WobWork | I didn't think castsequence fell through like that |
| 05:26.48 | WobWork | since doesn't Barkskin have a longer cooldown than 12sec? |
| 05:27.13 | Bribri | a minute |
| 05:27.14 | Shefki | one minute |
| 05:27.37 | Bribri | 12 second duration though |
| 05:29.11 | Thrae | WobWork: Yeah, so I don't need an extra slot for it (I use the "W,S,Q,E,A,D" method) |
| 05:30.39 | quiescens | moo |
| 05:30.42 | Thrae | True, but in "Ghetto Tanking" (non-critical situations) you can usually just Spam Barkskin and that'll actually be a net bonus to having to think about when to "stategically use it" as then you can think about other things |
| 05:31.17 | Thrae | Since it's a one-minute cooldown now |
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| 05:33.23 | quiescens | moo? |
| 05:33.23 | Thrae | With a 12 second duration, Barkskin can be up with a macro spam for 20% of each fight. And when you actually need it for the "OhShi*" macro, there's roughly a 50% chance it'll be either already on you or available. |
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| 05:33.44 | quiescens | shrugs |
| 05:33.53 | quiescens | in non critical situations you shouldn't need it anyway |
| 05:34.01 | quiescens | but then healers have gotten into a bit of |
| 05:34.02 | quiescens | a |
| 05:34.10 | quiescens | "what? i have to heal the tank?" mode lately |
| 05:34.20 | Thrae | (50% takes into account spamming not having it really up for exactly 20% of the fight) |
| 05:35.02 | Thrae | quiescens: Optimally, yes, but WoW is a game built around *casual* play. |
| 05:35.28 | quiescens | half the healers you see these days can probably barely keep a 35000 hp tank alive through 5 man heroics |
| 05:35.33 | Thrae | Most people I meet in Random Heroics are in pre-raid epics at best. |
| 05:36.00 | quiescens | people probably call a tank undergeared for heroics at only 35k hp |
| 05:36.09 | Bribri | I think it depends what time of day you do randoms |
| 05:36.27 | Shefki | And your battleground. |
| 05:36.34 | Thrae | quiescens: Health is a little different when we're talking about Feral Tanks, but yeah |
| 05:36.39 | Bribri | and yeah battlegroup |
| 05:37.08 | Bribri | on my tree 70% of the time i'm casting hurricane in a heroic |
| 05:37.19 | Bribri | the other bit is just some random hots |
| 05:37.34 | Thrae | Bribri: I wish you could group with me when I do randoms =( |
| 05:37.50 | WobWork | Bribri: I'm the same =( |
| 05:38.04 | WobWork | I didn't get below 95% mana on my shaman the other night |
| 05:38.09 | Bribri | hell, excluding the ICC heroics one can easily heal any plate class through the whole thing facetanking it |
| 05:38.14 | WobWork | even tossing out the occasional chain lightning |
| 05:38.20 | Bribri | in just badge gear |
| 05:38.40 | Thrae | Bribri: I get ICC about 50% of the time, despite them not being 50% of the Dungeons, probably due to people specifically queueing |
| 05:39.04 | Thrae | I got Pit of Saron Heroic specifically about 3 times in a row |
| 05:39.08 | quiescens | meh |
| 05:39.15 | Bribri | I'm always getting halls of lightning and halls of stone .__. |
| 05:39.20 | quiescens | dpsing as a healer is alright if people don't die |
| 05:39.26 | quiescens | but imo |
| 05:39.27 | Thrae | Haha yeah I get those a lot too for some reason |
| 05:39.29 | quiescens | only if people don't die |
| 05:39.57 | Bribri | well, sometimes people are going to die if you were dpsing or not just because they're stupid |
| 05:40.33 | Bribri | like a clothy will go in and sit in front of anub'arak when he's casting pound and get one shotted or something |
| 05:40.37 | Bribri | not much you can do there |
| 05:40.41 | Bribri | except cast more wrath balls |
| 05:40.50 | quiescens | you know what i mean ): |
| 05:41.08 | quiescens | dps if people are reasonably topped off |
| 05:41.28 | quiescens | rather than, dps until people are at 5% |
| 05:41.37 | Bribri | yeah, that's just bad |
| 05:41.45 | Bribri | the whole reason to a healer even attempting dps is just to make things go faster |
| 05:42.03 | Bribri | if you let people die you've failed miserabley cause even a bad dps is more dps than a healer (usually) |
| 05:42.13 | quiescens | and then someone dies and you lose dps |
| 05:42.16 | quiescens | and someone has to res |
| 05:42.19 | quiescens | and etc |
| 05:42.19 | Thrae | But even the good healers are having trouble with Random Dungeons due to people in good gear being...well, being stupid. In all my pre-raid epic'ness I do about 1-1.7k DPS, and about half the time people who do 3-4k DPS can take aggro from me and take a LOT of damage in a very short time, especially if it's a large group. |
| 05:43.01 | quiescens | i just mean healers that don't bother trying to keep people's hp up |
| 05:43.06 | Thrae | I can't be "super-tank" and react to aggro change instantly, in a group of 4-6 it takes me a second, and even a Taunt + Focused Attacks may give me enough threat |
| 05:43.17 | Bribri | Thrae: those are bad people in ok gear |
| 05:43.31 | Thrae | s/may give/may not give/ |
| 05:43.32 | quiescens | like, what is the point of having a healer if they don't make an effort to keep people at reasonable hp levels |
| 05:43.55 | quiescens | I don't mean people dying to aggro or whatever |
| 05:44.04 | Thrae | Bribri: Yeah I know, especially if they are a Rogue or Hunter who have excellent detaunts and threat reduction AFAIK |
| 05:44.23 | quiescens | people nearly dying to random target stuff, dots, aoe etc while the healer stands around |
| 05:44.26 | Thrae | I see a lot of Hunters with high DPS that take way too much damage (are they the "Huntards"?) |
| 05:45.23 | quiescens | a lot of disc priests lately that seem to think that if they shield everyone, someone else will top off their hp |
| 05:45.42 | Bribri | prayer of mending will get around to it eventually |
| 05:45.43 | Bribri | i swear |
| 05:45.48 | Torhal | FEAR: http://www.avast.com/linux-home-edition |
| 05:45.54 | quiescens | zomg |
| 05:45.57 | Thrae | With Hunters one would think they would taunt with their pet before they take too much damage, but I see way too often Hunters with high DPS that die BEFORE their pets |
| 05:46.40 | Thrae | Pets doing Taunts and generating Threat isn't 100%, but you'd think the pets would often die first |
| 05:46.41 | Bribri | do hunter pets have real taunts? |
| 05:46.51 | Bribri | or just threat generation taunts? |
| 05:47.18 | quiescens | pets don't have taunt except for um |
| 05:47.19 | Thrae | Bribri: I think it depends on the pet if they have a "attack me" taunt |
| 05:47.27 | quiescens | there's some specific talent for it |
| 05:48.32 | Thrae | OK, I guess if the Hunter has nothing in Beastmastery their pets may not be good enough to taunt off the Hunter's own high DPS |
| 05:48.44 | Thrae | Well, "generate enough aggro" |
| 05:49.37 | Thrae | Obviously I don't play a level 80 Hunter so I don't know if a Pet is 100% useless at 80 outside of solo |
| 05:49.56 | Bribri | but yeah, hunters have a lot of ways to get out of accidental mob aggro related damage |
| 05:50.19 | Thrae | I would think it would be a bonus to be able to help get mobs off the healer/other DPS if it means the death of a measly pet |
| 05:50.53 | Thrae | But for specific raids the Hunter probably has to maximize their DPS, which may be hard to do with also increasing the pet's aggro power |
| 05:52.07 | Thrae | Do I need the /console Sound_EnableSFX 0 / 1 hack anymore in Macros? I need to test that out. |
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| 05:55.46 | quiescens | pets are mostly useless |
| 05:55.49 | quiescens | even when you are solo |
| 05:55.59 | quiescens | unless you are explicitly throttling your damage |
| 05:56.30 | quiescens | even if you're specced BM |
| 05:57.37 | quiescens | only tenacity type pets have a true taunt, and its on a 3 minute cooldown |
| 05:57.55 | Fisker | slaps Thrae around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:58.47 | Thrae | Fisker: You just want me to fix the "minion" issues in TinyTip |
| 05:58.57 | Thrae | But I am totally for my anti-work policy |
| 05:59.13 | quiescens | no more woek |
| 05:59.16 | quiescens | ! |
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| 07:31.22 | quiescens | moo |
| 07:33.52 | LebQzz | any wow players here? |
| 07:34.17 | LebQzz | when i mount someone else's multimount. i dont get an option to get off. is that normla? |
| 07:35.20 | evl | LebQzz: It's a known issue that escaping from that wooly cuddly mammoth can be hard indeed |
| 07:35.32 | evl | LebQzz: running any custom bar mods? |
| 07:35.44 | evl | is GetInstanceInfo the correct function to call when checking raid size? |
| 07:35.59 | nevcairiel | i was meaning to try to fix that with bartender somehow |
| 07:37.12 | nevcairiel | and, yes that api is fine |
| 07:37.17 | LebQzz | only running my script that moves blizzards around |
| 07:37.39 | evl | nevcairiel: the return values are a bit WTF though |
| 07:37.46 | nevcairiel | how so? |
| 07:37.58 | evl | 1 ? 5 or 10 players normal (also 40 player raids), 2 ? 5 players heroic / 25 players normal, 3 ? 10 players heroic |
| 07:38.10 | evl | I need to know what size the current raid is really |
| 07:39.02 | evl | since I'd like to avoid MAX_RAID_MEMBERS, this is for a raid status monitor (dead, afk, dc'ed people) |
| 07:39.50 | nevcairiel | it does have a maxPlayers return value |
| 07:39.55 | nevcairiel | not only the difficulty |
| 07:40.09 | evl | ah sweet, I missed that thanks :) |
| 07:40.42 | nevcairiel | you can always check MiniMapInstanceDifficulty_OnEvent in minimap.lua in framexml how blizzy uses it |
| 07:41.01 | evl | That's fine, it's probably not a very expensive check |
| 07:41.33 | LebQzz | whats that frame claled? |
| 07:42.05 | evl | nevcairiel: but now that I think of it, "raid" .. i is a bit sketchy I've heard in terms of people getting id's from 1-40 even when in group 1-5 |
| 07:43.54 | LebQzz | is that because you can move them around |
| 07:44.13 | LebQzz | put them in group 8 and such even though there are 2 |
| 07:44.23 | LebQzz | so on id 40 place |
| 07:44.28 | nevcairiel | the group position is not relevant to the id |
| 07:44.33 | evl | yeah but those people are 99.5% of the time in standby |
| 07:44.36 | quiescens | the ids are assigned when they join |
| 07:44.45 | nevcairiel | its a bit random, depending on join order and such |
| 07:44.55 | quiescens | and then it sticks with the person |
| 07:44.56 | evl | quiescens: so if the raid is full from 1-5 and I get in group 6 i still retain my Id after moved? |
| 07:45.08 | nevcairiel | i would say "undefined" |
| 07:45.12 | nevcairiel | don't rely on the id |
| 07:45.24 | evl | okay, better off checking MAX_RAID_MEMBERS after all then |
| 07:45.27 | nevcairiel | when the leader of the group changes, he'll always be raid1 |
| 07:45.38 | nevcairiel | not sure if everything else gets shuffled around as well then |
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| 07:46.40 | evl | Any ideas on how I can check if the a unit is valid for a raid status check? I was thinking of checking if the player is in the same zone as me but I can't find that in the API |
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| 07:47.19 | LebQzz | hmm you can see their zone in the tooltip so it must exist |
| 07:47.42 | evl | Maybe UnitIsVisible is something, since it's a 100 yard range |
| 07:47.59 | nevcairiel | you can only get their zone with GetRaidRosterInfo |
| 07:48.02 | orionshock | evl, ora3 does it, rip their code apart for the methods |
| 07:48.21 | orionshock | or nevcairiel can give you the answer :) |
| 07:49.32 | LebQzz | do a for loop to get roster on all 40 and check how many returns nil |
| 07:50.02 | LebQzz | GetNumRaidMembers() |
| 07:50.08 | LebQzz | evl |
| 07:50.22 | LebQzz | or did you talk about type earlier |
| 07:50.34 | evl | I'm doing that now I'd just like to avoid the guy in group 8 who's on another continent :P |
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| 07:51.05 | orionshock | match it agenst your current zone |
| 07:51.31 | nevcairiel | if you just apply the logic that everything not in group 1-2 or group 1-5 (depending on size) is not important, just match the subgroup returned by raidrosterinfo |
| 07:55.20 | LebQzz | sounds logical enough ;P |
| 07:57.48 | LebQzz | so the Index will always be a 1-> something |
| 07:57.58 | LebQzz | so if 2 leaves it gets shuffled around |
| 07:58.29 | Repo | 10quartz: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 3.0.1-beta-2-gef5728e CastBarTemplate.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 07:58.31 | Repo | ef5728e: Properly show the spell name on channeling cast bars again. |
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| 08:17.06 | orionshock | LebQzz, yes RaidRosterInfo(i) should be sequential, however the index in RRI(i) has no relation to their unitID. (raidX) |
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| 08:22.58 | LebQzz | who posted that boom de yada yesterday? |
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| 08:32.26 | orionshock | ... wow, I just read though the lib code of "LibzzAddOnInit" .... it's Ace2 all over again, but with Ace3 >.> |
| 08:32.39 | nevcairiel | wtf is that |
| 08:33.38 | orionshock | from the looks of the code LibzzAddOnInit Makes a basterdized Ace2 addon object but with Ace3 |
| 08:33.46 | orionshock | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15994-MadeBy.html |
| 08:33.56 | orionshock | the lib is included in that addon |
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| 08:35.06 | Shefki | Why is it a problem that someone made a lib that does that? |
| 08:35.34 | orionshock | it's not.. but i thought we where past those days of the all-in-one lib |
| 08:36.14 | Shefki | We are. The problem with Ace2 was you pretty much had to pull in a zillion things to get the one thing you needed. |
| 08:36.37 | Shefki | Ace3 doesn't have that issue and even if someone makes a lib that makes an object, so what you can still choose not to use it. |
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| 08:37.11 | spotted | Hello, can anyone pls suggest me something to replace XPerl Unit frames? |
| 08:37.22 | spotted | I need something light and nice. I tried pitbull but it takes ages to configure |
| 08:37.30 | spotted | and it's still beta |
| 08:37.40 | spotted | version 3 doesn't seam to be able to reduce the width |
| 08:37.47 | spotted | of a bar |
| 08:37.49 | Shefki | My definition of beta is probably better than a lot of peoples release. |
| 08:37.51 | spotted | any suggestions? |
| 08:37.54 | nevcairiel | you could try shadowed unit frames |
| 08:38.19 | spotted | Otherwise, can anyone share its template for Pitbull 4? |
| 08:38.55 | spotted | I just want little, short bars for party and 2 big portraits for me and target + a little one for target of target |
| 08:38.55 | spotted | :D |
| 08:39.31 | quiescens | shefki: our righteous indignation that someone isn't coding to our standards and expectations should clearly transcend whether we were planning to use the addon in question |
| 08:40.07 | orionshock | well that lib came up in conflict with one of my addons some how |
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| 08:41.07 | orionshock | that and i was browsing WoWI for interesting things.. and one of the things i look for is addons that share tradeskill data, and i look at their code to see if i can pick up on their comm traffic |
| 08:41.12 | Shefki | quiescens: I'm not judging anyones particular definition. I was just expressing that the beta tag is probably not very important. |
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| 08:42.38 | quiescens | it was technically in reference to the strange library thingy |
| 08:42.52 | Shefki | Ohh then I have no idea what you mean. |
| 08:43.44 | Shefki | *shrug* I just don't see why everyone is always so concerned with what other people are doing. |
| 08:44.45 | quiescens | everyone seems to like to get all up in arms whenever someone does something the "wrong way" etc ): |
| 08:44.48 | Bruners | because in this community everyone has to deal with the fuckups other people are doing |
| 08:45.06 | Shefki | Bruners: No you don't. |
| 08:45.17 | spotted | Can anyone pls share his template for pitbull 4? :P |
| 08:45.22 | Bruners | no |
| 08:45.22 | quiescens | I don't see why it has beome the comunity's job to deal with other people's mistakes |
| 08:45.23 | nevcairiel | most of the time we wouldnt even find out unless they start messing with some global shit that breaks our addons |
| 08:45.43 | nevcairiel | you know, that guy, that wanted to modify the metatable of *all* frames? |
| 08:45.48 | Shefki | spotted: Not really. I have no idea exactly what you want. You could find a dozen addon compliations with it in their with a configuration. |
| 08:46.02 | orionshock | spotted, not sure if PB4 is setup to share template |
| 08:46.03 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Well that I can understand. |
| 08:46.06 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.27 | Shefki | orionshock: It's getting there. Vangul has serialization stuff almost done. |
| 08:46.41 | Shefki | Or is that serialisation. |
| 08:46.41 | spotted | orionshock, I can just get some other guy's luas where settings are stored and change server and name with mine |
| 08:46.43 | spotted | :P |
| 08:46.47 | Shefki | Hmm. I hate English. |
| 08:47.23 | orionshock | ? |
| 08:47.28 | spotted | What I want is the settings for group bars, my char portrait ecc |
| 08:47.48 | [Ammo] | spotted: try configuring it yourself? |
| 08:47.52 | Bruners | spotted: then just set it up yourself? |
| 08:47.56 | quiescens | still, i don't know if that warrants much more than saying "such and such addon breaks things because (x)" somewhere, and letting the users decide what they want to do |
| 08:47.59 | [Ammo] | no-one ever got worse by doing some things themselves |
| 08:48.24 | spotted | Well, so many options have been added and it's hard to learn all of them at once |
| 08:48.42 | Shefki | spotted: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/pages/guide/ |
| 08:48.47 | Bruners | no need to learn them all at once |
| 08:49.00 | Bruners | you can use a whole year learning them if you want to |
| 08:49.04 | orionshock | spotted, with addons anything worth doing well is worth taking the time to understand it to do so correctly |
| 08:49.49 | orionshock | and aparently there is a guide :) |
| 08:49.49 | Shefki | quiescens: Like this: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/pages/faq/#w-i-have-the-blizzard-player-and-target-frames-set-to |
| 08:50.05 | evl | orionshock: and in the addon world apparently anything worth doing is worth overdoing |
| 08:50.22 | quiescens | yeah |
| 08:50.36 | evl | everyone should install *nix and understand why it works so well because you have a lot of small components that do ONE thing and one thing well |
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| 08:51.06 | orionshock | well.. that's subjective evl... |
| 08:51.13 | quiescens | eh, there's um |
| 08:51.16 | spotted | evl, I use *nix on my Macbook Pro. :P have os x and Ubuntu. :D |
| 08:51.20 | Shefki | evl: The one thing well is not always the best model. |
| 08:51.33 | evl | A lot of crap in a ball isn't a good model in any case |
| 08:51.36 | quiescens | some good points to having some integration |
| 08:51.37 | spotted | but I also have a algorithms and data structure exam early next month which I'm trying to study for. :D |
| 08:51.43 | Shefki | evl: It works well with the command line becuase the command line is able to pass data between programs so efficiently. |
| 08:51.51 | quiescens | the *nix thingy is more |
| 08:51.53 | evl | ADDON_MSG ;) |
| 08:51.56 | spotted | So sometimes I am not in the mood for tuning stuff myself. :P |
| 08:52.01 | quiescens | rather, its not so much that everything does one thing and one thing well |
| 08:52.10 | Shefki | evl: GUIs are not that fluid. |
| 08:52.13 | quiescens | so much as, there will be some things that do each of the small things well |
| 08:52.26 | quiescens | *as well as* something that does it all |
| 08:52.30 | quiescens | and people get to choose which |
| 08:52.32 | evl | I'm talking about huge addons in one file or addons that have their configuration panel not LoD |
| 08:53.43 | Shefki | evl: What makes you think that configuration being LoD is some great thing? |
| 08:54.11 | evl | Shefki: 1/100 times you need the config the remaining time you're busy playing the game I guess? |
| 08:54.24 | Shefki | evl: And what cost do you think the configuration has? |
| 08:54.30 | quiescens | even so, minimal impact most of the time |
| 08:54.35 | quiescens | unless its visible all the time or something |
| 08:54.40 | Shefki | It's just a table in memory. |
| 08:54.41 | evl | Why do I need an ashtray in a car that I don't plan to smoke in |
| 08:54.43 | Shefki | A static table. |
| 08:55.21 | quiescens | lets not get into strange analogies |
| 08:55.23 | quiescens | lol |
| 08:55.32 | evl | Shefki: not neccessarily, it could be creating it's frames before they are needed, not ALL addons use Ace3Config |
| 08:55.46 | orionshock | sadly evl, your point is a level of detail a vast majority just won't care about |
| 08:55.55 | Shefki | evl: So what, the frames are just tables too. |
| 08:56.12 | Shefki | They're not doing anything until they're shown anyway. |
| 08:56.44 | quiescens | there's the flip side as well, addons that optimize everything, localize everything, compartmentalize everything, delay loading of such and such that other addon's can't interface with it even if they want to |
| 08:57.00 | [Ammo] | then their design is flawed |
| 08:57.38 | [Ammo] | bigwigs is split into pieces but can still be interfaced with just fine, there's even an API for it |
| 08:57.51 | Shefki | PB4 has the modules as LoD most so we can avoid loading libraries and stuff that we don't need at all. Making configuration be load on demand and still support that would require two addons for every module. |
| 08:58.06 | [Ammo] | naah shefki |
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| 08:58.21 | [Ammo] | you can wrap the config in funcs |
| 08:58.33 | [Ammo] | and only actually build the table etc when it's called |
| 08:58.39 | Shefki | We already do that. |
| 08:58.40 | [Ammo] | but it's minor |
| 08:58.41 | quiescens | probably isn't worth the gain |
| 08:58.41 | [Ammo] | and shrug |
| 08:58.52 | evl | But but I like making stuff that's lean |
| 08:58.52 | Shefki | But that's not load on demand. |
| 08:58.56 | orionshock | depends on how big the tables are.. |
| 08:58.57 | [Ammo] | with BW we decided to go with smaller code |
| 08:58.58 | Shefki | It's just delayed processing. |
| 08:59.24 | [Ammo] | the bossmodule metadata and config is in the top 4 lines of its file |
| 09:00.16 | quiescens | for a simple configuration screen with a handful of options here or there i just think its hard to justify making it a seperate load on demand module and such |
| 09:00.30 | [Ammo] | biggest gain in BW3 is not needing the babbles for english \o/ |
| 09:00.34 | evl | Anyone got a handy shell script to push everything from WoWI to Curseforge? Such a god damn chore updating both sites |
| 09:01.05 | orionshock | setup your CF projects to use external repos? |
| 09:01.10 | [Ammo] | doesn't curse support external repos? |
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| 09:01.16 | [Ammo] | I was just typing that :) |
| 09:01.23 | evl | But I still have to set up each addon :( |
| 09:01.29 | [Ammo] | _once_ |
| 09:01.34 | [Ammo] | afaik |
| 09:01.58 | evl | Maybe I should get intoxicated first so it won't feel as chorish |
| 09:02.28 | [Ammo] | as long as you tag releases it'll work fine |
| 09:02.31 | [Ammo] | methinks |
| 09:04.09 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r175 / (2 files in 1 directory): Bumped version number to 1.6.1. |
| 09:04.39 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 07master * v6.3.6-release-5-gfb67fe6 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits] |
| 09:04.41 | Repo | fb67fe6: trim name on quest name scanner too |
| 09:04.42 | Repo | cc114d0: trim the title text of extra spaces |
| 09:04.43 | Repo | cb16491: remove commented code for NPC checking |
| 09:05.07 | Repo | 10dungeonspeedrunner: 03OrionShock 07master * v0.7-beta-11-ge4a26d0 DungeonSpeedRunner.lua: [+1 commit] left click to announce current instance regardless of run time |
| 09:05.49 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg 04v1.6.1 * r176 : Tagging as v1.6.1 |
| 09:05.51 | Repo | Changes: |
| 09:05.52 | Repo | - Updated disenchant tables |
| 09:05.54 | Repo | - Updated localizations |
| 09:06.03 | vhaarr | evl: host things on wowace and use http://code.google.com/p/wowiuploader/ |
| 09:06.24 | [Ammo] | that's the other solution ;) |
| 09:07.25 | orionshock | or just pick one site to host on? |
| 09:09.43 | Shefki | evl: Just do it like this table and chair: |
| 09:09.44 | Shefki | http://www.heine.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Heine-HeineDe-Site/de_DE/-/EUR/SH_ViewProduct-ArticleNo;sid=sQ6lty8HMWILt2R2VjJC30MNrVjxF7lYJdDDptmFpoHnl2ezoo7DptmFcJlyYA==?ArticleNo=013828Y&sid= |
| 09:09.58 | Shefki | Ohh god I hate sites that have URLs like that. |
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| 09:10.30 | haste | everything before ;sid= would be enough |
| 09:10.48 | haste | or no, you'll need the article id as well :V |
| 09:11.06 | Shefki | Yeah I didn't bother to look at the URL before I pasted it. |
| 09:11.09 | kevin-zh_CN | 大家好å |
| 09:11.35 | Shefki | Sorry kevin-zh_CN don't speak Chinese. |
| 09:12.08 | kevin-zh_CN | ï¼ï¼ |
| 09:12.51 | spotted | Shefki, I dunno if I'm doing it the wrong way. Anyhow I selected target of target in the unit field |
| 09:13.14 | spotted | I went back to layout editor and I tried changing parameters like the height of the bars |
| 09:13.18 | spotted | but nothing happens |
| 09:13.33 | spotted | I saved the layout to tot (target of target) |
| 09:13.39 | spotted | if I chose normal I can apply settings |
| 09:13.57 | spotted | but this way it changes also my player's unit frame |
| 09:13.58 | evl | Shefki: nice furniture |
| 09:14.09 | Shefki | evl: You see the brown version? |
| 09:14.30 | Shefki | spotted: You didn't set the layout for target of target to whatever you want to use on it. |
| 09:14.43 | Shefki | Step 1) Create a layout. Step 2) Apply layout to the frame. |
| 09:15.00 | evl | Shefki: no I need to check it |
| 09:15.18 | evl | Shefki: better in brown yeah |
| 09:15.31 | Shefki | Look carefully at the chair |
| 09:16.07 | Shefki | MC Escher makes furniture. |
| 09:16.14 | spotted | Shefki, solved thanks. Now I am starting to understand the way you intended this thing |
| 09:16.22 | spotted | and It's great. I like it. :P |
| 09:16.43 | spotted | Is there any way to show the percentage of my mana instead of x mana / total mana? |
| 09:16.53 | Shefki | Texts tab. |
| 09:16.58 | spotted | OK |
| 09:17.14 | orionshock | spotted, i went with the approach of "unit == layout", so every time i moved on to a new unit to configure, i just copied the player frame and went from there. |
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| 09:17.38 | Shefki | orionshock: That's mostly what I have too. Though there are a few units that share layouts. |
| 09:17.58 | orionshock | like tot and totot |
| 09:18.11 | Shefki | Focus target and target target. |
| 09:18.14 | Shefki | But yeah. |
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| 09:36.04 | spotted | OK, I'm stuck now with party unit frames |
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| 09:57.17 | spotted | done this as well |
| 09:57.20 | spotted | it's pretty smooth |
| 09:57.21 | spotted | :P |
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| 10:45.04 | LebQzz | mmmm lunch ;P |
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| 11:04.49 | yoshimo | you can get someones achievements ingame if he is in inspectrange, cant you? |
| 11:05.54 | asmodai | Aye |
| 11:07.49 | LebQzz | yep |
| 11:07.57 | LebQzz | compare achiev ;P |
| 11:10.53 | yoshimo | maybe i should say that i want the addon to read achievements^^ |
| 11:11.58 | asmodai | overachiever |
| 11:13.07 | yoshimo | asmodai, i really need some more coffee. my addon should read them, not another one, so i need some apicall here i guess |
| 11:13.51 | asmodai | Ah |
| 11:15.45 | yoshimo | !api achievement |
| 11:15.45 | lua_bot | Found 35 possible matches for 'achievement'. Please be more specific |
| 11:15.51 | asmodai | yoshimo: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetAchievementComparisonUnit |
| 11:16.07 | asmodai | should start with that at least I think |
| 11:19.17 | SunTsu | yoshimo: still you could have looked inside overachiever how it's done there |
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| 11:29.44 | spotted | Can anyone pls check this? |
| 11:29.45 | spotted | http://paste.wowace.com/1730/ |
| 11:30.22 | spotted | it's some errors with big wigs |
| 11:30.38 | spotted | Moreover when I click on test on the config pane I can't see anything |
| 11:30.41 | spotted | can you pls help me with this? |
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| 11:32.12 | yoshimo | BigWigs_TabletBars, do you really have that? ;) |
| 11:32.14 | Grum | spotted: you apparently use some kind of fail addon to access BigWigs but BigWigs hasnt been loaded yet? |
| 11:33.05 | Grum | aaand 'BigWigs_TabletBars' would be such an addon hehehe |
| 11:33.06 | spotted | that would seam weird |
| 11:33.20 | Grum | not really |
| 11:33.43 | Grum | the last release is from 2008-10-15 00:12:59 |
| 11:33.49 | Grum | some would call that ancient |
| 11:33.57 | yoshimo | i think the tabletbars addon was never really useful |
| 11:34.07 | spotted | problem solved, thanks |
| 11:34.16 | Grum | even better; the last actual change was from 2008-02-05 22:44:34 |
| 11:34.24 | Grum | 2 years ago much :P |
| 11:38.42 | koaschten_ | thats what i call an awesome amount of work put into a cpu review |
| 11:38.44 | koaschten_ | http://techreport.com/articles.x/18448/17 |
| 11:39.07 | koaschten_ | TL;DR go and buy a i5-750 or x4-965 -> http://techreport.com/r.x/cpu-roundup-2010q1/value-perf-scatter-system.gif |
| 11:44.49 | nevcairiel | where is the 860 in that test? |
| 11:44.55 | nevcairiel | or graph, anyway |
| 11:45.13 | Kalroth | where is the E8500 |
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| 11:54.25 | spotted | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE61G0QK20100217 |
| 11:54.33 | spotted | While we are playing, nice news come out. :D |
| 11:55.17 | yoshimo | that looks like running away from a problem instead of solving it properly |
| 11:58.22 | Fisker | where's mah 6-core gulftown? |
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| 12:08.08 | TNSe| | Hai problem, I can runs faster than yous. |
| 12:13.22 | olafski | I just saw an evony ad with a guy in it oO |
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| 12:24.58 | koaschten_ | nevcairiel d also like to pour out a 40 for my homie who couldn't be with us, the Core i7-860. At $284, the i7-860 improves on the i5-750 by adding higher clock speeds and Hyper-Threading to the mix at the same 95W TDP. We suspect the i7-860 might be Intel's most appealing desktop processor. |
| 12:25.18 | nevcairiel | yay for me |
| 12:25.21 | nevcairiel | i have that one :D |
| 12:25.37 | koaschten_ | i want one, but my q9550 has to do for one or 2 more years ;) |
| 12:25.52 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt have gotten that one, but my motherboard broke |
| 12:25.52 | koaschten_ | and it fits fine in my "only every second architecture" upgrade cycle |
| 12:28.35 | nevcairiel | i was going to skip the i7 |
| 12:28.37 | nevcairiel | but what can you do |
| 12:31.40 | haste | I actually went from P4 to i7 :V |
| 12:33.46 | Fisker | hey haste nevcairiel |
| 12:37.18 | yoshimo | i hate private repositories.. Takes ages to fix a simpe encoding problem because i have no access |
| 12:41.24 | Repo | 10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r271 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: |
| 12:41.26 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
| 12:41.42 | Repo | 10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 043.3-release9 * r272 : Weekly Tag - #9 |
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| 12:45.54 | LebQzz | just to ask nuubbish ;P func to get your class |
| 12:46.29 | nevcairiel | !api unitclass |
| 12:46.36 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'unitclass': UnitClassification, UnitClass, UnitClassBase |
| 12:46.54 | tim_l_ | !api GetInstanceInfo |
| 12:46.56 | lua_bot | GetInstanceInfo: Returns instance information about the current area (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetInstanceInfo) |
| 12:46.57 | nevcairiel | it should really just output the perfect match |
| 12:47.02 | nevcairiel | !api UnitClass |
| 12:47.02 | lua_bot | UnitClass: Returns a unit's class (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClass) |
| 12:47.09 | nevcairiel | oh it does when it ype it right :P |
| 12:51.37 | koaschten_ | if you own a 2006 or 2007 macbook -> http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/5yVyakspYr8/apple-offering-free-hard-drive-replacements-for-macbooks-bought-between-2006-+-2007 |
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| 13:08.32 | Fisker | why would you own a macbook? |
| 13:08.40 | Fisker | you mean like if you won a contest? |
| 13:08.54 | evl | Fisker: why not, it's a good computer :) |
| 13:09.12 | nevcairiel | if you want to pay extra for the glowing half-eaten apple on its back, sure |
| 13:09.28 | nevcairiel | its not even a whole apple! |
| 13:09.34 | evl | No i'd like to pay extra for glowing green alien eyes on the back |
| 13:10.39 | Fisker | difference being that you have a choice |
| 13:10.47 | evl | What is the choice? |
| 13:10.51 | evl | Apple or Alien eyes? |
| 13:10.54 | Fisker | besides you support terrorism by buying Apple |
| 13:11.04 | Fisker | No you can choose to buy something else than alienware |
| 13:11.13 | arkanes | lies |
| 13:11.18 | evl | support terrorism? :P |
| 13:11.22 | arkanes | there are only 2 vendors of laptops in this world |
| 13:11.25 | Fisker | yeah evl |
| 13:11.30 | evl | Fisker: how so? |
| 13:11.42 | Fisker | why do you think they have that "You will not use this product for the developement of nuclear bombs, etc" |
| 13:11.44 | Fisker | :D |
| 13:12.06 | evl | Well I can chose to buy something else than apple |
| 13:12.11 | evl | what is the difference between alienware and apple |
| 13:12.13 | evl | or ibm and apple |
| 13:12.14 | nevcairiel | but then its no macbook anymore |
| 13:12.44 | arkanes | macbooks are still pretty nice though, really |
| 13:12.50 | evl | It's no different than paying 100k$ for a Maybach than a Mercedez |
| 13:13.03 | evl | If you want design, you pay for design. |
| 13:13.05 | nevcairiel | There too, you pay extra for the name |
| 13:13.09 | evl | Yeah and people do |
| 13:13.11 | nevcairiel | which was all we're saying |
| 13:13.12 | arkanes | and I haven't priced recently but for a while there the markup really wasn't that much higher |
| 13:13.22 | evl | But you don't see linux people flipping out over people buying a maybach :P |
| 13:13.24 | nevcairiel | buy a macbook, and you pay extra for the damn apple logo |
| 13:13.26 | arkanes | you're not just paying for the name, of course |
| 13:13.29 | arkanes | or the logo |
| 13:13.39 | arkanes | you're paying for the design and the components |
| 13:13.53 | Megalon | I WILL MAKE YOU PAY |
| 13:13.55 | nevcairiel | eh, sure, the components arent bad, but i can get teh same for a lower price |
| 13:14.00 | arkanes | when you buy a Sony laptop, you're paying for the brand |
| 13:14.05 | arkanes | you cant though, not really |
| 13:14.18 | evl | nevcairiel: made from the same materials? |
| 13:14.26 | evl | nevcairiel: I seriously doubt that at the same price |
| 13:14.27 | arkanes | it generally takes 6 months for the PC laptop vendors to copy whatever Apple did with their laptops |
| 13:14.39 | nevcairiel | they use PC hardware these days, its no magic special hardware anymore |
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| 13:14.47 | arkanes | it never was "magic special" |
| 13:15.05 | arkanes | but you can't get a glass multitouch pad on a PC laptop right now |
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| 13:15.14 | arkanes | and you can't get the case design |
| 13:15.17 | LebQzz | print(UnitClass("player")) |
| 13:15.24 | LebQzz | prints hunter HUNTER |
| 13:15.25 | evl | FISH |
| 13:15.27 | arkanes | saying you're paying for the logo is a little disingenuous |
| 13:15.32 | evl | LebQzz: first is localized |
| 13:15.38 | nevcairiel | the logo is the design for me |
| 13:15.39 | Fisker | which is why patents need to die |
| 13:15.43 | nevcairiel | i kinda hate their design anyway |
| 13:15.50 | evl | Fisker: IBM is doing a good job there I hear |
| 13:15.57 | arkanes | sure, you're entitled |
| 13:16.09 | nevcairiel | the MBPs look kinda cool |
| 13:16.12 | nevcairiel | but the default macbooks |
| 13:16.13 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 13:16.17 | LebQzz | so using it in a if statement.. would mean Capitalized? |
| 13:16.24 | evl | I'm pretty happy, the returns service is amazing |
| 13:16.30 | evl | last week my motherboard went poof |
| 13:16.33 | evl | 3 days later and I have it back |
| 13:16.52 | arkanes | LebQzz: if you're displaying it to your user, use the first one, if you're comparing it with stuff in your code, use the second |
| 13:17.18 | olafski | I actually looked at buying a laptop a couple of years ago and the macbook was the best value for money back then |
| 13:17.27 | olafski | of course that was comparing the USD price for macbooks with the EUR price for other things |
| 13:17.30 | nevcairiel | even if i would get a macbook somehow, i would probably throw away OSX |
| 13:17.31 | arkanes | olafski: yeah there was a couple years when that was true |
| 13:17.38 | arkanes | olafski: I don't think it is right now though |
| 13:17.42 | LebQzz | if UnitClass("player") == "HUNTER" then |
| 13:17.44 | evl | nevcairiel: how long have you used OSX? |
| 13:17.49 | LebQzz | ? |
| 13:17.50 | olafski | arkanes: probably not.. but the price for macbooks was the same in EUR as in USD |
| 13:18.24 | olafski | and seeing as I was going to the US on business anyway I figured I could pick up a macbook while I was there, since they have worldwide support |
| 13:18.43 | arkanes | low end macbook is 999 right now |
| 13:18.54 | arkanes | so actually not that far off from a PC one |
| 13:19.27 | arkanes | but certainly a considerable markup if you're going for best price/performance |
| 13:19.44 | nevcairiel | evl: i cant stand that integration of applications menu bars into that main menu bar of the OS, always annoys me again |
| 13:20.08 | arkanes | thats not really what it is |
| 13:20.09 | olafski | yer but imagine that $999 is actually 725 euros.. a few years ago it was more like 650 too.. was nice but I decided I don't need a laptop after all |
| 13:21.00 | nevcairiel | I have to use the main bar at the top of the screen to access some functions of an app that has a small window somewhere on the screen .. how is that not annoying? =P |
| 13:21.19 | arkanes | well, you probably know the answer |
| 13:21.29 | arkanes | and its not like me telling you would change your opinion :P |
| 13:23.34 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: you could use key shortcuts, though ;) |
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| 13:28.59 | LebQzz | that if didnt work lol |
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| 13:35.07 | olafski | lebqzz: did you try seeing what UnitClass("player") returns? |
| 13:35.19 | olafski | I'm guessing it isn't "HUNTER" in any case.. but could be me |
| 13:36.20 | arkanes | LebQzz: local _, class = UnitClass("player"); if class == "HUNTER" then.... |
| 13:36.54 | olafski | indeed.. and looking at that, I should probably change that in my addon too ;p |
| 13:37.01 | evl | if (select(2, UnitClass("player")) == "HUNTER" then as well |
| 13:45.53 | LebQzz | hmm about textures.. do they have to be / with 8? |
| 13:46.00 | LebQzz | like 256/512 |
| 13:46.14 | LebQzz | or can i make custon sizes |
| 13:46.24 | LebQzz | 1600*143 ;P |
| 13:51.17 | haste | by 2 |
| 13:53.12 | LebQzz | so 1600/800 should be valid? |
| 13:53.53 | olafski | .. :P |
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| 14:00.47 | Megalon | BY THE POWER OF GRAY...2 |
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| 14:02.32 | LebQzz | and that didnt work ;P |
| 14:07.01 | haste | it needs a power of two dimension |
| 14:11.09 | LebQzz | so 2048*128 would work |
| 14:12.58 | LebQzz | or is there a maxumum? |
| 14:14.31 | haste | there is a maximum, which was increased with wotlk, but dunno what it is |
| 14:15.54 | yoshimo | well who the hell has more than 40^^ as monitor size really... ;) |
| 14:16.02 | evl | norwegians |
| 14:16.37 | olafski | 2048 is too small even for 30" I think ;) |
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| 14:18.51 | olafski | of course, depending on what you're trying to do.. |
| 14:19.25 | LebQzz | well texture for the bottome end of the screen |
| 14:20.33 | olafski | hm 2048 should be fine I guess ;) |
| 14:20.40 | LebQzz | let me try |
| 14:21.24 | LebQzz | any specific resolution to use for tga files? |
| 14:21.27 | LebQzz | 16 24 32 |
| 14:21.38 | olafski | depth you mean |
| 14:21.40 | mitch0 | wtb working cegcc port :( |
| 14:21.43 | olafski | no clue.. never used textures in my addon ;) |
| 14:21.51 | LebQzz | photoshop says resolution lol |
| 14:22.00 | olafski | oO |
| 14:22.12 | LebQzz | Targa options -> resolution -> 16bit/pixel 24 32 |
| 14:22.25 | olafski | I'd go with 16, that's probably enough |
| 14:22.41 | olafski | just try all 3 and see if you can spot the difference |
| 14:24.19 | LebQzz | well 16 returns all white lol |
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| 14:24.56 | olafski | I dunno man.. just try some things, see what works |
| 14:25.26 | LebQzz | relogging for the 8th time ;P |
| 14:25.53 | olafski | can't you just reload your UI? |
| 14:25.55 | LebQzz | 24 wotks |
| 14:25.58 | LebQzz | works |
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| 14:32.06 | Repo | b2d92b2: Added the name of the paladin who cast a blessing after its icon. |
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| 14:36.53 | yoshimo | prefix: BGSAlertsVersion , anyone an idea what that might be? |
| 14:43.47 | Groktar | devours it |
| 14:45.37 | LebQzz | evl |
| 14:45.43 | LebQzz | if (select(2, UnitClass("player")) == "HUNTER" then |
| 14:45.49 | LebQzz | the ( at the start. or not |
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| 14:46.00 | evl | yeah probably |
| 14:46.04 | LebQzz | if yes at the start should i add one ) after "HUNTE" |
| 14:46.23 | evl | if select(2, UnitClass("player")) == "HUNTER" then |
| 14:46.26 | nevcairiel | sure, they need to be balanced |
| 14:51.39 | Xtek | Heyo |
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| 15:07.01 | Groktar | explodes in a cloud of Scheiße! |
| 15:07.41 | SunTsu | doesn't that mean that you consist of it? |
| 15:07.45 | Groktar | yesh |
| 15:07.48 | Groktar | and i'm all over ur fase |
| 15:07.58 | nevcairiel | so Groktar is full of shit? |
| 15:08.39 | SunTsu | Groktar: no, you drop from my umbrella |
| 15:09.14 | Groktar | :( |
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| 15:10.57 | harl | damn alliance |
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| 16:13.05 | Venara | Does anyone know if there is an addon that can track potion usage in a raid? |
| 16:13.27 | Venara | (Wild Magic, Speed, Indestructible) |
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| 18:00.34 | Superfly_ | Venara: just seen your question, phoenixstyle has a module |
| 18:00.57 | Venara | Superfly_: Oh thanks, I'll check it out :) |
| 18:01.01 | Superfly_ | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15494-RaidSlackCheck.html |
| 18:01.35 | Venara | oh nice, that's exactly what I'm looking for |
| 18:01.39 | Venara | thanks very much! |
| 18:02.22 | Superfly_ | it also tracks when the player used the potion(heroism/bloodlust) |
| 18:02.42 | Venara | yay :D |
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| 18:04.37 | Superfly_ | dont know if it works standalone, you might need to install phoenixstyle |
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| 18:05.47 | Venara | Yeah, I guess so. I'll try it out |
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| 18:07.11 | Superfly_ | not a big issue tho, if you are a raidleader, you will find it useful, fails/switch time etc |
| 18:11.41 | Repo | 10keepers-prio (experimental): 03Gilt000 * r14 prio.lua: Kleinzeugs bzgl. global Cooldown etc... |
| 18:13.09 | yoshimo | im not sure if a german changelog is really useful ;) |
| 18:14.47 | SunTsu | it's better than "first version" all the time, though ;) |
| 18:15.09 | yoshimo | indeed^^ |
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| 18:16.06 | yoshimo | if the cc4 downloads an addonpack, and you change the addons inside that packet later, you have to download the ccip file again to get the new addons, dont you? |
| 18:16.22 | SunTsu | maybe Repo should get a babelfish module for cases like that ;) |
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| 18:17.35 | yoshimo | would sound funny, for sure ;) |
| 18:20.39 | Gnarfoz | even better: |
| 18:20.46 | Gnarfoz | make IRC mandatory for people with svn access :p |
| 18:22.03 | Axodious | so i was browsing through iphone stuff today and noticed that a company is making a card reader for the iphone and thought to myself, why would someone use this over a standard card reader... |
| 18:25.26 | yoshimo | Gnarfoz, why does 7destiny come to my mind when you say this? |
| 18:25.35 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: not entirely certain. |
| 18:25.38 | Gnarfoz | *g* |
| 18:26.54 | pompy1 | cuz hes a translator , yet makes code changes to like the core of bw, then they sometimes end up getting reverted ;p |
| 18:27.11 | Gnarfoz | he's a major contributor these days, I'd say |
| 18:27.20 | Gnarfoz | not just a translator anymore |
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| 18:41.19 | yoshimo | i know ;) If you commit a lot you should be hanging around a bit more often though |
| 18:42.56 | Fisker | maybe communist china won't allow it? |
| 18:44.21 | yoshimo | filtering a lot those guys |
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| 19:13.11 | olafski | is there something like the "englishname" unitclass but for armor and weapons? e.g. something I can use to denote "Plate" but for all localizations? |
| 19:15.14 | Stew-a | so did wowcompares die or is it just moving, down for maintenance or something? |
| 19:18.17 | yoshimo | this button "report lag" just does a local message "report sent", doesnt it? ^^ |
| 19:30.41 | yoshimo | Stew-a , i always use tekkubs repository for difs |
| 19:36.07 | Repo | 10keepers-prio (experimental): 03cody_ * r15 / (3 files in 1 directory): ck: TestUI implementiert |
| 19:36.29 | nevcairiel | i just read the diffs piling up in my inbox :D |
| 19:44.18 | asmodai | Some phishers are stupid: |
| 19:44.19 | asmodai | X-Originating-Email: [blackduckone@hotmail.com] |
| 19:45.25 | yoshimo | if originating doesnt contain smtp.blizzard.com, _>trash |
| 19:45.37 | asmodai | easy to get the accounts closed too |
| 19:50.20 | yoshimo | id rather shutdown the webservers hosting their websites |
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| 20:28.23 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 21:09.24 | Megalon | Fisker |
| 21:09.25 | Megalon | http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8826/screenshot20100217at308.png |
| 21:09.28 | Megalon | yours look the same? |
| 21:10.17 | nicoli_s | mine does megalon |
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| 21:11.09 | Ackis | what's sad is I won't even DL the beta if I get accepted into it (which I should) |
| 21:11.13 | Fisker | Megalon that's not your screenshot anyway |
| 21:11.37 | Megalon | just wanted to show you |
| 21:11.40 | Megalon | what you ain't get |
| 21:12.34 | Fisker | i'd guess only press people and friends and family got it atm |
| 21:12.45 | nicoli_s | they said they invited thousands of people |
| 21:12.54 | Fisker | who? where? |
| 21:13.01 | nicoli_s | kotaku |
| 21:13.18 | nicoli_s | closed beta test for StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty is officially a go, with invitations going out to "thousands of gamers." Y |
| 21:13.37 | yoshimo | closed vs thousands of gamers? :P |
| 21:13.50 | Fisker | "going out" anyway |
| 21:13.51 | nicoli_s | i just quoted in the middle of the sentence |
| 21:14.05 | nevcairiel | yoshimo: open means everyone can sign up, there is a difference :P |
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| 21:15.51 | yoshimo | closed beta, sounds like only a few people, not thousands ;) |
| 21:16.34 | nevcairiel | thousands is a few |
| 21:17.18 | yoshimo | yes, regarding 11mio players of wow indeed |
| 21:17.37 | Megalon | friends and family |
| 21:17.48 | Megalon | must have a wide meaning |
| 21:18.06 | Megalon | everyone who ever worked for blizzard? |
| 21:18.57 | yoshimo | everyone who buys my stuff is my friend :P |
| 21:19.09 | nicoli_s | megalon: press got keys too |
| 21:19.30 | Ackis | nicoli_s: u giev? |
| 21:19.44 | nicoli_s | i thought you said you didnt want to play? |
| 21:19.56 | Ackis | I want to torment Fisker, it's a different type of game |
| 21:19.59 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:20.53 | Megalon | nicoli_s: but I'm sure my friends are not considered press ;x |
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| 21:32.22 | Xtek | Hey Fisker. |
| 21:32.36 | Xtek | License StatusBETA | ExpiryActive until beta closes |
| 21:32.56 | Ackis | zing! |
| 21:32.59 | Ackis | ~Xtek++ |
| 21:33.04 | Xtek | :D |
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| 21:37.43 | Ackis | Fisker: http://twitter.com/S1d3W1nd3r_24x7/status/9252304274 |
| 21:37.47 | Ackis | more sc2! |
| 21:37.49 | Ackis | kekek |
| 21:42.23 | yoshimo | do we know who got invited? |
| 21:43.00 | Xtek | already have it installed |
| 21:43.06 | Xtek | http://i49.tinypic.com/123bqxh.png |
| 21:43.07 | Xtek | <3 |
| 21:44.01 | Fisker | ~seen Xtek |
| 21:44.05 | purl | xtek is currently on #wowace (11m 55s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 57s, last said: '<3'. |
| 21:44.08 | Fisker | i rage |
| 21:44.10 | Fisker | I RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 21:44.11 | yoshimo | i think i know why tourguide was pulled : TourGuide Joins Zygor Family |
| 21:44.18 | Fisker | probably noone in EU invited yet |
| 21:44.19 | Ackis | Xtek: I think you need more programs open |
| 21:44.22 | yoshimo | http://www.zygorguides.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4446 |
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| 21:50.07 | Ackis | you have to buy the guide to register on the site |
| 21:57.36 | yoshimo | you should be able to read the forums without registering an account |
| 21:59.52 | Ackis | I can read, I watned to post |
| 22:02.48 | Megalon | they are sending keys to anyone |
| 22:02.54 | Megalon | a friends just got sc2 on his bnet acc |
| 22:09.02 | yoshimo | i guess europe will come tomorrow or next days |
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| 22:09.28 | Megalon | oh, didn't know germany/austria is considered U.S now ;PÃ |
| 22:09.50 | yoshimo | i have no idea where you come from ;) |
| 22:11.39 | Megalon | the part of the EU |
| 22:11.47 | Megalon | where the kangaroos live |
| 22:13.20 | yoshimo | since when australia is in europe? ;) |
| 22:13.47 | Megalon | seems like i mxed something up there |
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| 22:20.24 | yoshimo | happens ;) austr(al)ia :P |
| 22:23.21 | Stanzilla | wohooo lich king down |
| 22:24.41 | genetik- | Stanzilla: someone got him? |
| 22:24.48 | Stanzilla | yes me |
| 22:24.50 | Stanzilla | 25 normal |
| 22:24.51 | Stanzilla | :p |
| 22:24.52 | genetik- | oh, ok |
| 22:24.52 | genetik- | heh |
| 22:25.03 | Fisker | i will end myself Ackis |
| 22:25.04 | Fisker | QQ |
| 22:25.09 | Fisker | goodbye cruel world |
| 22:25.47 | genetik- | Stanzilla: we only just took down dreamwalker on monday, so we have at least a week or two before we get to him |
| 22:26.11 | genetik- | unless we get lucky with stupidity on sindragosa |
| 22:26.38 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 22:27.32 | yoshimo | in that case, forget it ;) |
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| 22:34.36 | Repo | 10grid2: 03Azethoth * r374 Options (2 files in 1 directory): --Fix font settings for LibSharedMedia. Ticket 103 |
| 22:38.14 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1316 / (5 files in 2 directories): - Fixed Shadow Ward coefficient |
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| 22:39.09 | koaschten_ | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/02/17/2142214/emStarCraft-IIem-Closed-Beta-Begins |
| 22:39.31 | Fisker | no koaschten_ |
| 22:39.33 | Fisker | i hate you |
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| 22:39.46 | koaschten_ | hate love - best love |
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| 22:44.15 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1317 Data/Warlock.lua: |
| 22:44.16 | Repo | - Added tooltip for shadow ward and fixed life tap base increase |
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| 23:01.51 | Repo | 10visualheal: 03xbeeps 0410.11 * r63 : Tagging as 10.11 |
| 23:01.53 | Repo | Pull in latest LHC-4.0 |
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| 23:13.13 | Gnarfoz | !api getplayerfacing |
| 23:13.17 | Gnarfoz | !api facing |
| 23:13.18 | lua_bot | GetPlayerFacing: Returns the player's orientation (heading) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPlayerFacing) |
| 23:13.20 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'facing': GetPlayerFacing, Model:GetFacing, Model:SetFacing |
| 23:13.42 | Gnarfoz | !api orient |
| 23:13.43 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'orient': Slider:GetOrientation, StatusBar:GetOrientation, Slider:SetOrientation, StatusBar:SetOrientation |
| 23:15.07 | Gnarfoz | koaschten_: so where's my invite |
| 23:15.24 | koaschten_ | you havent been to blizzcon? ooh poor boy |
| 23:20.22 | koaschten_ | Woah, this gotta be the most awesome scam mail i ever got :/ |
| 23:20.34 | koaschten_ | its signed by the blizzard ceo |
| 23:20.38 | koaschten_ | and its linking me |
| 23:20.42 | koaschten_ | ... to the original page |
| 23:22.29 | Repo | 10raidycheck: 03Adirelle 041.0-beta-3 * c97f57f /: [new tag] Tagging as "1.0-beta-3". |
| 23:23.36 | koaschten_ | http://ace.pastey.net/133147 so... what am i missing? ;) (the html code shows the url as the same as in the pastey) |
| 23:24.49 | pompy1 | wonder why "Falric and Marwyn" was added to LibBabble-Boss-3.0 ..I know that they are 2 bosses names but not in that way. hm |
| 23:39.54 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r7342 Citadel (8 files in 2 directories): |
| 23:39.56 | Repo | Citadel/Valithria: Change the way portals are announced. 46 sec CD/positioning + 14 sec until spawn. |
| 23:50.43 | Pneumatus^ | pompy1: some of the bosses are in there for periodictable |
| 23:50.46 | Gnarfoz | koaschten_: you were to blizzcon? ^^ |
| 23:51.04 | koaschten_ | no, did i say i had a key? ^^ |
| 23:51.41 | Gnarfoz | :F |
