IRC log for #wowace on 20100208

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00:05.23Torhalslaps Fisker around a bit with a Megalon Groktar.
00:06.05Fiskerslaps Torhal around a bit with a large trout
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00:15.30MegalonBibi: http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=mmoczg36.jpg nice feature on itemtooltips ;7
00:16.14Bibidoesn't have anything to do with item tooltips
00:16.23Bibiit's about flash the worst thing on earth
00:17.15WobWorkwell it's a good thing the iPad doesn't support it!
00:17.19Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 043.3.2-1.0.2 * 1bb9327 /: [new tag] Tagging as 3.3.2-1.0.2
00:17.27Bibiand fixed
00:18.57Megalonnot for my firefox :x
00:22.54Repo10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth * r249 / (8 files in 8 directories): --Valentines Stuff
00:22.55Repo--Mining Run
00:23.04Megalonnot it is, weeeee
00:25.10TorhalFunkeh`: ping
00:25.16Funkeh`yes
00:32.54Repo10enchanting-sell: 03Shamino * r107 EnchantingSell.toc: EnchantingSell:
00:32.56Repo- updated toc for patch
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00:34.44Repo10project-13430: 03Shamino * r42 Auction-1.0.toc: Auction-1.0:
00:34.58Repo- updated toc
00:39.00Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7221 Citadel/Sindragosa.lua:
00:39.03RepoOnly warn for every 2 stacks of buffet so we don't spam so much.
00:40.06Repo10project-13430: 03Shamino 0430300.01-release * r43 : Tagging as 30300.01-release
00:43.06RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libdblayers-1-0/. LibDBLayers-1.0. Azethoth (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
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00:44.03Groktarpounce
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00:46.46Fiskergould
00:46.59ShadowedDid you cry when you approved that Torhal
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00:47.14TorhalShadowed: Just twitched a little.
00:47.19RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/honortracker/. HonorTracker. gesslar (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal.
00:47.27TorhalI also moved three projects directly to CF
00:47.30TorhalSo it balanced
00:47.42Fiskershot myself
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00:51.57RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ninja-looter/. Ninja Looter. JAYMC (Manager/Author/Tester/Maintainer/Ticket Manager/Documenter/Translator/Former author/Artist/Contributor). Experimental. Approved by Torhal.
00:51.58Repo10enchanting-sell: 03Shamino 0430300.01-release * r108 : Tagging as 30300.01-release
00:51.59Repo10materials-tracker: 03Shamino * r60 MaterialsTracker.toc: MaterialsTracker:
00:52.00Repo- updated to 30300
00:52.22Fiskergoodbye cruel world Torhal
00:52.26Fiskerdo you understand?
00:53.23Ingela^damn that JAYMC dude does a lot of thing for his ninja-looter addon
00:53.40Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7222 Citadel/Sindragosa.lua:
00:53.41RepoRemove the unchained warning, we already warn for instability stacks anyway.
00:54.21TorhalFisker: Yes, I understand. The gun is cocked, loaded, and pointed at your head.
00:54.35TorhalFisker: Make sure you clean up the mess afterward.
00:54.43Fiskerhow would i?
00:54.45Repo10materials-tracker: 03Shamino * r61 libs/ (3 files in 2 directories): MaterialsTracker:
00:54.46Repo- updated embeds
00:54.50TorhalFisker: UNDEAD!
00:55.11Axodious/cast [@Fisker] Raise Dead;
00:55.12Fiskerno thanks i hate the undead
00:55.16Fiskergreat
00:55.50Repo10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r7223 Citadel (2 files in 2 directories): frFR Update
00:56.04TorhalIt's all good, Fisker. Your corpse runs have been replaced with a spawn timer.
00:56.31Axodiouslol
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00:59.57Ingela^is there any use of grid2 yet
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01:01.23Axodiouswhat do you mean Ingela^?
01:01.33Repo10materials-tracker: 03Shamino 0430300.01-release * r62 : Tagging as 30300.01-release
01:01.41Ingela^yeah i think i didn't evne get it to work last time i tried it months ago
01:01.55Axodiousmy room mate has been using it for quite some time now
01:02.10Axodiousi however am still using grid1
01:02.23Ingela^does it have retarded settings as grid1 still?
01:02.58Axodiousi don't understand the question ;x
01:08.30TorhalI've never understood the "Does X AddOn do Y?" line of questioning, since most of those questions are subjective. It's not hard to download/install/try.
01:10.02Repo10stackings: 03profalbert 07master * v0.1-beta-1-g5125cfc / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] add possibility to override barcolors at certain counts
01:11.06Repo10stackings: 03profalbert 04v0.1-beta * 788dcc7 /: [new tag] tag as v0.1-beta
01:14.49sylvanaarguys im still using mirc, is there anything better?
01:15.08Stanzillakvirc
01:15.33profalbertI'm using pidgin. I like all IM in one place
01:16.26sylvanaaryeah, i have trillian
01:16.34sylvanaarbut its irc client sucks
01:16.52profalberttrillian isn't worth the money imho
01:16.55sylvanaarwell, the one time i used it it did
01:16.55ShadowedmIRC is still the best of the terrible clients
01:17.05sylvanaarShadowed thats what i thought
01:17.10Axodiousmirc is not terrible
01:17.11Axodious>:|
01:17.14Shadowedyes it is :p
01:17.22sylvanaarwhat do you use Shirik
01:17.23weabssh + screen + epic4 > mirc
01:17.26sylvanaarer Shadowed
01:17.28Shirik?
01:17.31ShadowedmIRC
01:17.35sylvanaarsorry Shirik
01:17.41Axodiousi made my mirc act as an html web server -_-
01:17.44weabbuy a mac and use colloquy > mirc
01:17.46ShadowedMacs are worst
01:17.50ShadowedColloquy is even worst weab  sorry :p
01:17.57profalbertmirc is win-only --> fail
01:18.03weabyou're crazy
01:18.08ShadowedColloquy has a terrible buffer and lags if you let it get too large
01:18.08sylvanaarhonestly mirc can be made into just about anything
01:18.14Shadowedthe log system is terrible
01:18.17sylvanaaryeah
01:18.33Shadowedand it also has a weird lag issue if you type a message then start typing another too quickly when doing something else like running WoW
01:18.43TorhalYo dawg, we heard you liked Macs so we put one pedal in your car.
01:18.43Shadowed... but it's still better than everything else I've found
01:18.52Stanzillasylvanaar: ftp://ftp.kvirc.de/pub/kvirc/snapshots/win32/KVIrc-4.0.0-rc2-r3900-lite.exe try that :>
01:18.57sylvanaarim not using any scripts really, just tab-complete
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01:19.18sylvanaarStanzilla i was going to ask if i should get the release or not, but there you go
01:19.32Stanzillanah releases are old
01:19.37Axodioushttp://96.23.115.143:10240
01:19.37weabactually irc just sucks in general. it's antiquated and needs to be replaced
01:19.42Axodiousgenerated by mirc!
01:20.16Axodiousafk
01:20.16sylvanaarim moving off of this machine finally, and onto my new one so i dont have to stay rdp'ed into this one the whole time
01:20.30Shadowedthat too weab
01:20.52sylvanaarso i figured its a good time to update my irc client  - since mirc usually breaks whenever I move it
01:20.58Shadoweddoes it?
01:21.03ShadowedI've moved installs dozens of times without issues
01:21.29sylvanaarStanzilla the chick on the install screen does nothing for me
01:21.44Stanzilla:o
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01:21.59sylvanaarShadowed i usually lose some setting i didnt know I had made
01:22.04Shadowedodd
01:22.11sylvanaari know
01:22.18sylvanaarthats what i say when it happens
01:23.27sylvanaaryou know moving my profile folders to another drive - when i install things they dont refer to the right location sometimes
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01:24.36sylvanaari think people must do %ProfileDir%\Downloads vs %DownloadDir% or whatever the special named folders are
01:25.53weabuser directory is such a mess in windows
01:26.16weabno two programs seem to agree on where to put things. i don't think any of my dozens of games actually use the 'saved games' folder
01:28.34sylvanaarweab its almost the same as linux though, you have the equiv of /usr and /usr/local
01:29.28sylvanaarthough its \users\<user>\appdata\<local or roaming>
01:30.06sylvanaari guess thats not /usr and /usr/local
01:32.33sylvanaari think you should be able to disable roaming profiles in windows so local profile directory is the same as roaming profile directory
01:36.17Brunersweab: what is wrong with irc?
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01:40.54Axodious%appdata% ftw
01:41.22Axodiousand you can thank UAC for that weab
01:46.59weabBruners: its age, mostly. redesigned from the ground up a lot of stupid issues could be fixed, and a lot of features could be improved or added
01:47.56orionshockweab, linux seems to have fixed that.. least for user data that is
01:47.56Brunersit doesnt need any new features
01:48.13weabi'd disagree
01:48.14Killmoreanyone know an addon that can whisper, call in raid, put raid icon when you got a specific buff or debuff ?
01:48.35orionshockKillmore, boss mods?
01:49.35Killmoredeus vox didnt put raid icon + on self warning with Necrotic plague at lich king :(
01:50.53Shadowedugh
01:51.03ShadowedLooks like whatever Curse did to kill the spam bots got broken
01:51.04Brunersweab: what features are missing?
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01:54.07weabproper registration for one. nickserv is just a hack
01:54.16weabbouncers shouldn't be necessary
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01:54.34weabwould be nice to have the server give you at least recent chat history on join
01:55.08weabseems fairly stupid that in a chat program websites like pastey are still needed. seems like a solution for that could be found without spamming
01:55.37weabpasting images, embedding video and such, a la wave could be neat, within reason
01:55.52Shadowedwhat
01:56.23orionshockweab, wave is neat
01:56.27Shadowedthe concept of IRC is fine, you don't need fancy stuff like that
01:57.26arkanesI like waves as a concept
01:57.27sylvaanwow this does some nasty things to peoples usernames
01:57.31weabshrug. he asked what it doesn't have
01:57.31Brunersweab: if you want all that into irc it would ruin it
01:57.33arkanesthe tech isn't there, though
01:57.44sylvaanthis client is pretty nice though
01:57.50Brunersweab: way to much wasted bandwith
01:57.53arkanesneeds a lot of UI work to make features discoverable
01:58.10weabwasted on what
01:58.11Brunersas it is now you can chat on dial up
01:58.18ShadowedWave's a nice idea, but 99% of it is useless for general chat
01:58.41weabit's great for collaboration
01:58.44Shadowedlike, being able to see peoples message as they type
01:58.53weabi like that feature.
01:59.23Brunersi don't like that feature at all
01:59.24sylvaani dont want to know when people are typing
01:59.40sylvaanbecause they can type "." then go away
01:59.44weabif you're actually interacting with people it speeds up the pace of the conversation
02:00.17weabmost complaints i hear about it is people being self conscious about typos and stupid stuff like that
02:00.22sylvaanright
02:00.23orionshockif you tone wave down a bit on the editing of other pplz stuff and droped down some of the nicities like knowing when they are typing
02:00.36orionshockthen it'd be a perfect replacement.. but the plugins would be a btch
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02:05.26sylvaanok, so Stanzilla what can this thing do?
02:05.33sylvaani like it so far
02:05.53sylvaanthough all the themes were fail
02:06.32sylvaaneveryone knows IRC has a black background
02:07.53Torhalsylvaan: I've actually had to change to a black background on every client I've tried (that allowed the change, otherwise I ditched it immediately)
02:07.55Brunerssylvaan: what client are you on ?
02:07.56sylvanaarthe client seems to be just as good as mirc - not instant "this sucks" reaction
02:08.03sylvanaaroh wow - i just got a popup
02:08.23sylvaanthis client is cool
02:08.33Brunersirssi or weechat in screen are your friends
02:08.39sylvaankvirc
02:09.06Groktarever heard of a jpeg looking different in firefox and chrome?
02:09.16sylvanaaroh wow
02:09.42sylvanaari like this client Stanzilla thanks for the tip
02:10.35Torhalsylvaan: Also, try Konversation.
02:11.16sylvaanthis is so cool - i have a popup from that message and i am rdp'ed into a different machine
02:11.28Brunershttp://www.kvirc.net/img/themes/theme_hellokitty.png
02:11.33Brunersthats a nice theme for you
02:11.46Torhal*STAB*
02:11.55orionshock^^
02:13.30Groktarthis is driving me nuts
02:13.39Groktarlol
02:14.12Repo10deus-vox-encounters: 03kollektiv 07master * v442-3-ge2e3cb0 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
02:14.13Repoe2e3cb0: Lich King: Added a timer to show when the fight begins
02:14.14Repoad6ac7e: Lich King: Throttle Valkyr alerts for 25m
02:14.56orionshockGroktar, steering wheal from a boat from behind ?
02:15.37sylvaanTorhal: im on a PC
02:16.01Torhalsylvaan: So am I, just using Linux :)
02:16.23TorhalI realized after I mentioned Konversation that KVIRC is platform-independant (mostly)
02:16.36Groktarno
02:16.46Groktara jpeg looks different in firefox and chrome
02:18.42Groktarok, i guess i fixed it
02:18.56Groktarhad to mess around with quality settings in photoshop
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02:22.23BrunersTorhal: irssi is also platform-independant :P (mostly)
02:22.44sylvanaari only use windows -
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02:23.37sylvanaarwell i have a mac to - but i do almost everything on windows
02:25.41TorhalBruners: It's also not GUI-enabled. For some reason, I like my IRC clients with a GUI.
02:27.01Brunersdont think i have used a gui-enabled client for irc in 7 years
02:28.33Brunersused mirc from 99->2003ish tho
02:32.25sylvanaarwhat does gui enabled mean
02:33.15Brunershaving a gui thats not just text
02:33.26sylvanaarwow
02:33.50sylvanaaryou are running in a command shell
02:35.13Brunersyes, nothing wow about it actually
02:35.21Brunershttp://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/2010-02-08@03.34.11.png
02:36.12sylvanaarlooks like 1 window of mine
02:36.30sylvanaari guess its the same
02:36.47Arrowmasterwhich font is that? vera/dejavu?
02:37.11BrunersMonospace
02:37.24Brunerscould be that it got a different name
02:38.08Arrowmastermonospace is just a default alias
02:38.15Brunersxft:Monospace:pixelsize=11:antialias=true:hinting=true
02:38.22Arrowmasterso its probably bitstream vera mono or dejavu mono
02:38.40Arrowmasterthe l's look like vera/dejavu
02:39.32Arrowmasterive gotten so used to thick fonts for irc that i couldnt use that
02:39.44Arrowmasterim using terminus bold
02:39.53sylvanaarim using consolas
02:40.07Arrowmasteryuck
02:40.12Arrowmastercleartype fonts
02:40.13Brunersterminus doesnt have bold fonts for text size below 8 or so
02:40.16sylvanaarit looks really good
02:40.18Brunersso couldnt use it on my netbook
02:40.46Arrowmasterwhy would you use a text size below 8? adjust the DPI
02:41.17Brunersthe fonts i have installed http://dpaste.com/156017/
02:41.49Arrowmasterthat is a short list
02:48.16harli wonder if i can increase my gearscore above 5000 without raiding
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02:49.42WobWorkharl: what class?
02:49.56WobWorkcause if it's a DK
02:50.01WobWorkI suggest building a spellpower set =P
02:50.03harlshaman healer, druid healer
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02:55.35Repo10mendeleev: 03ananhaid * r278 locales/zhCN.lua: Mendeleev:
02:55.37Repo- zhCN update.
02:57.15WobWorkharl: you could probably get your T10 sets
02:57.20WobWorkwouldn't that push you above 5k?
02:57.28WobWorkI have no idea about GS, honestly
03:05.51harli could if i'd get enough emblems of frost for that from just doing "daily heroics".
03:06.36harlbut i consider emblems of frost to be emblems of raid, so they're not something i'm counting on.
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03:08.34Torhal_Foo
03:11.54WobWorkharl: eh, I've gotten enough frost emblems from dailies to get 2 T10 so far
03:12.15Repo10deus-vox-encounters: 03kollektiv 07master * v442-5-ge4b4c4d / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
03:12.28Repoe4b4c4d: Lich King: Fixed second Remorseless Winter spell cast start spellid on 25m
03:12.29Repo2d367c3: Lich King: Add 25m Harvest Soul spellid
03:12.37harlthat's probably if you'd started to do so from the beginning when they got introduced
03:12.47WobWorkof course, at this rate, it'll be another 3 months before I can get the other two =P
03:12.59harlbut not if you had been 80 for about 2 weeks now
03:13.37harlwhich is the case with my shaman
03:14.12WobWorkin any case, as a healer, you have no excuse about not getting the frost dailies =P
03:14.19Repo10deus-vox-encounters: 03kollektiv 07master * v442-6-g054c63a Core.lua: [+1 commit] Localization update
03:14.58WobWorkPS Shaman T10 shoulders look AWESOME
03:15.10WobWorkalso <3 T10 2 piece
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03:16.38harlof course, when having enough of those emblems, i'll get some of that myself as well.. been on with my shaman every day since he hit 80 and got 34 emblems.
03:17.49harland only about twice of that with my druid so far
03:18.10WobWorknow that I have a few 219 items, I'm feeling slightly more confident with tree healing
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03:18.44WobWorktree regen is crazy
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03:20.54harlhm
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03:24.16harlVoA has been the only raid i've been to with my shaman yet, but i don't quite expect to gain much from it any time
03:24.51harland i'm not going pvp anyway
03:27.05Torhal_<PROTECTED>
03:27.18Torhal_Meh.
03:27.29harlagrees.
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03:41.27sylvanaargod, all the colors are wrong - it takes forever to get them set right
03:41.44TorhalHeh
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03:46.05TorhalBruners: Damn you. Now I'm futzing with weechat
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03:55.48Groktarhrm
03:56.10Groktari don't suppose there's way to pull that character image off the armory, is there?
03:56.14Groktarsince it's flash?
03:57.58Repo10quartz: 03ananhaid * r94 Quartz.toc: Quartz:
03:57.59Repo- zhCN toc desc update.
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04:09.39pompyGroktar: considering blizzards facebook app shows the 3d character model in the app, there probably is
04:10.59WobWorkcan anyone get http://us.media.battle.net.edgesuite.net//models/character/tauren/scalpupperhair00_02.jpg ?
04:11.20WobWorkI'm trying to fiddler the output to see how the pose is transferred
04:11.28WobWorkbut I can't get the armory to load up properly
04:11.38orionshockWobWork,  invalid domain
04:11.42orionshocktry the address again
04:12.37WobWorkoddly enough http://us.media.battle.net.edgesuite.net//models/character/tauren/male/taurenmale.m2 results in an item
04:13.31orionshockorly? with that double slash at the start
04:13.47orionshockand the mixed domain name of "battle.net.edgesuite.net"
04:14.35Groktarwhat the HELL did my host do to their mysql server?
04:15.02orionshockrm /*.*
04:15.06orionshockrm /*.* -r
04:15.16Groktar"Field 'topic_last_post_subject' doesn't have a default value [1364]"
04:15.22Groktaris weird
04:18.23BrunersTorhal: is it good? :)
04:19.01PrimerAnyone know if there's an addon that plugs into the calendar as reports if invited people are online?
04:19.12Groktarand i get errors if i try to cahnge the default value to null
04:20.01WobWorkGroktar: I don't think you can pull a still image from the armory
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04:20.11WobWorksince all the armory stores is a position for the model itself
04:20.14Groktaryeah, that would have been too awesome
04:20.33Groktarwell, if i could pull one i would have cached it on my server
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04:21.06TorhalBruners: It isn't bad at all.
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04:21.21Groktarright now it just grabs name, race, achievement points, etc. and puts them under your avatar
04:21.38Groktarand it occured to me how awesome it would be if i could put a picture there
04:23.02Groktari don't understand why mysql would bitch about no default value when that column's default value is set to null :(
04:23.55Groktarat first i thought it was just me on my dev site, but then i realized it was also happening on the live site
04:24.05Groktarwhich i haven't touched in a month
04:24.07GroktarD:
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04:36.33steevheh
04:36.51steevsomeone has a primordial essence up on the ah for 3g less than the cheapest primordial saronite hoping someone makes a mistake
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04:37.30WobWorkisn't that a grey? =P
04:37.37Groktarwhite, yeah
04:37.52steevyes it is
04:37.54Groktaralways searches for primordial
04:38.18Groktaror, primordial essence
04:38.28Groktarheh
04:38.38Torhalhides a primordial essance in Fisker's ear.
04:38.51Torhalessence, too
04:38.53Groktarkills fisker
04:39.00TorhalWhat did he drop?
04:39.04Groktarcooks a fiskersteak for Torhal
04:39.13TorhalGak!
04:39.24Groktaroffers Torhal the 2 copper
04:41.21steev24 primordial saronite
04:41.23steev1 to go
04:43.22orionshockis there a way to offset a text in PB4?
04:43.30orionshock? Shefki, ^^
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04:49.54TorhalFoo
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04:58.06TorhalSeerah: Pick of the Week today?
04:58.29Seerahjust got home from a super bowl party.  will be looking at it shortly :)
04:58.39TorhalWoor!
04:58.39Seerahsuggestions?
04:58.47TorhalNot really. :D
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04:58.57AntiarcI seem to have discovered a Skada bug.
04:58.58Antiarchttp://i.imgur.com/ybDqz.png
04:59.06orionshockcan we do a pick of the week on curse's networks ?
04:59.19Torhalorionshock: They can't even fix search.
04:59.33TorhalThough, it WOULD be a new feature, and they seem to be keen on those rather than fixing old features
04:59.49orionshockwell no harm in asking :)
04:59.54TorhalAye
05:00.31WobWorkSeerah: After Dark! =)
05:00.35TorhalThis new IRC client just told me:  Day changed to Mon, 08 Feb 2010
05:01.00WobWorkman you're slow, Torhal =\
05:01.03TorhalNow I'm expecting: You haven't typed in four hours!
05:01.06WobWorkit's been monday for 16 hours
05:01.16TorhalWobWork: Get off of the methamphetamines.
05:01.36WobWorkI'm taking so much speed I'm in the future?
05:01.41Torhalyes!
05:01.49WobWorkgoes into hypertime
05:02.15SeerahWobWork: you haven't updated that this past week :p
05:02.27TorhalSeerah: Spamalyzer! Or something.
05:02.29TorhalHeh
05:02.31Killmorehttp://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i179/bobsagetomg/f11.jpg
05:03.00WobWorkSeerah: oh, is that a criteria? =(
05:03.06WobWorkDamn I missed out on my week then
05:03.15WobWorkSeerah: there's nothing to update!
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05:03.59Seerahyep.  upload or update for that week
05:05.00WobWorkbah
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05:19.37TorhalWobWork: Do your LDB-rewrite of HeyFu, then bug Seerah
05:19.55Seerahor update Xparky :)
05:20.00Seerahwait, did I already pick that one?
05:20.08TorhalYou may have :)
05:22.14TorhalSeerah: 02-24-2008 - Xparky
05:22.27Seerah*nod*
05:24.09Yivrywow activity here... noone ever sleeps? :p
05:24.24Groktarugh i hate this part
05:24.36Groktarmaking all new buttons for a forum D:
05:24.46kandarzSeerah: EveryQuest!
05:24.53SeerahYivry: you've got people from all around the world in here
05:25.05YivryI know :p
05:25.31Seerahkandarz: noted :)  thumbing through what I've found so far
05:25.52Yivryi was referring more to my own sleep-deprived state tbh
05:26.04kandarzSilly Wowhead needs to fix new holiday quest categories
05:26.04WobWorkTorhal: I just have to motivate myself to swap to a non dewdrop menu system
05:26.37WobWorkhow did that Snowflake library go?
05:27.31TorhalWobWork: Oh, lord. Every commit that guy makes (and he makes quite a few) says "first version"
05:27.38TorhalI wouldn't trust it to be a good library.
05:27.43WobWorkhehe
05:27.58Seerahis he a rare and delicate snowflake?
05:28.06TorhalSeerah: Haha
05:28.43TorhalWobWork: Latest version on WoWAce?
05:37.41WobWorkTorhal: of snowflake?
05:42.01TorhalWobWork: HeyFu. But I already saw it was updated on Dec 9
05:44.51WobWorkthat was a library push
05:44.59WobWorkno actual functionality change
05:45.12WobWorkI'll get around to redoing it soon =)
05:45.32TorhalAs in "Soon (TM)"?
05:50.20pompywhat the hell is causing this, "<12:49:07 AM>Unable to zone in while an encounter is in progress."
05:50.26WobWorkMy problem, Torhal
05:50.33pompywas trying to enter AV
05:50.33WobWorkis that I can still get badges on my druid =\
05:55.08TorhalWobWork: You're saying that you'd rather play than code?
05:55.11Torhal:D
05:55.25WobWorksad, wot?
05:55.39TorhalOwell
05:55.43TorhalI have the opposite problem :)
05:56.21pompyTorhal: thats right, get to work on ARL
05:57.23SeerahPotW: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=177750#post177750
05:57.47WobWorkSeerah: broken?
05:57.50Groktarpounces WobWork
05:57.59SeerahWobWork: I didn't name it
05:58.08SeerahI *think* they meant broker, but...
05:58.16Seerahsays "broken" everywhere
05:58.42WobWorkSeerah: and Jumper? I think I remember a mod for that for Morrowwind =P
05:59.19Seerahthere was a statistic type mod about a year or so ago (don't remember if it made it to wowi) that included jumps.  but yeah. :)  Jumper
05:59.48Repo10everyquest: 03kandarz * r151 Modules/World_Events/World_Events.lua: Manual Update Love is in the Air quest categories
06:00.25pompyorionshock: did you name it broken lfd on purpose?
06:00.56pompyprolly, cuz of ulic's http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_lfd/
06:03.33Repo10everyquest: 03kandarz 04r152-release * r152 : Created tag r152-release.
06:06.47WobWorkyeah I use that one
06:06.55kandarzAntiarc: what texture is that on Skada?
06:09.39Antiarckandarz: "Armory"
06:14.37WobWorkAntiarc: do you find skada more accurate than recount?
06:15.24Brunersaccurate compared to what? :P
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06:17.18WobWorkBruners: hehe
06:17.20WobWorkrephrases
06:17.26WobWork"Why choose Skada over Recount"?
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06:21.59BrunersWobWork: i think Skada is more just a dammage meter and not all the extra features (graphs+)
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06:25.27kandarzThat's why I use it, I don't need a graph of my latency, fps or even DPS/healing
06:26.52Brunersrecount is so much more than that tho
06:27.41WobWorkI use recount for the graphs
06:27.51WobWorkso I can figure out how people do the dps/healing they do
06:27.56WobWork(or don't)
06:28.42Brunersif you only look at whos nr1 on dps then i guess any meter is good enough :)
06:29.46WobWorkor why people died
06:29.52WobWorkthat one is always good to know
06:30.38steevpeople died because they were stupid and didn't move out of the fire
06:31.26Brunersor they got punced into fire and then attacked by an instant boss spell that killed them
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07:16.56orionshockpompy, yeah, to distinguish the names from ulic's one
07:18.11orionshockWobWork, yes intentionally named "Broken_LFD" more as a joke to the whole "Fu-Broker" naming conventions
07:20.18Torhalorionshock: You could have just done what I do - refuse to use the paradigm and give the project an actual name.
07:21.03orionshockthis is true
07:21.20orionshockbut it looks like im off to polish yet another addon..
07:21.25TorhalOh?
07:21.25orionshockdoes wowui doe git at all?
07:21.29TorhalNot yet
07:21.32TorhalSoon(TM)
07:21.41orionshockindeed
07:22.08orionshockwell, about 3 months ago i didn't like git.. but im a believer now :)
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07:26.26WobWorkAnd then I saw her face, now I'm a believer
07:26.31WobWorkNot a trace
07:26.34WobWorkof doubt in my mind!
07:30.02Funkeh`that song always makes me think of shrek
07:30.17ShadowedAdys: ping
07:30.21WobWorkShrek used songs well
07:30.36WobWorkI really like all the adult level jokes they had in the movies
07:31.00AdysShadowed: pong
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07:33.43Funkeh`Yed it was done well
07:33.47Funkeh`yep*
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07:41.55Repobec2723: Apparently I suck at Lua. And .pkgmeta. And .docmeta.
07:41.56Repof11d4d7: Moar.
07:41.58Repo331e78c: Moar syntax fixes!
07:41.59Repoe621a22: Fix a syntax error.
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08:00.00orionshockquestion:  is it better to use an "If then else" or use [[ SecondsToTime(healerWait) ~= "" and SecondsToTime(healerWait) or UNKNOWN ]]  ?
08:00.30nevcairielif then else is marginally faster, but its personal taste
08:01.00orionshockwell i ask because the SecondsToTime() is rather logic heavy to begin with
08:01.18nevcairielyou could cache it before in both cases
08:01.18orionshockusing this in an 1sec refresh on a tooltip
08:01.46nevcairieltime = SecondsToTime(...); if time == "" then time = UNKNOWN end;
08:01.49nevcairielseems the best, imho
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08:05.17orionshockcaching and line logic seem best here
08:06.49orionshock*inline logic
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08:39.20TNSe|2 days until LK heroic dies?  yes?
08:39.28TNSe|maybe?
08:39.28Fiskerk?
08:39.40Fiskeris it the same instance as they said then?
08:39.47Fiskeror is it like totc/totgc?
08:39.51TNSe|wonder what guild w ill receive banhammer then
08:40.02TNSe|as far as I understood, you put the instance on heroic before starting boss
08:40.20TNSe|so its same instance, not like totgc/totc..
08:40.34Fiskerk
08:40.39Fiskerwhen do you get the buff thing?
08:40.44DWSRWhich buff thing?
08:40.45Fiskerand what does it do?
08:40.47TNSe|serverside :P
08:41.08TNSe|noone really knows
08:41.15FiskerDWSR there's a buff which everyone in ICC gets after defeating the lich king
08:41.21Fiskerkinda like Sunwell
08:41.30DWSRAh.
08:41.42DWSRWhy not just remove the Chill of the Throne?
08:41.54Fiskerthough this one in in addition to whatever buffs you have :P
08:42.02Fiskerwhere the sunwell one was just a replacement for fort and int
08:42.05TNSe|because blizz doesnt want bosses to 2 shot tanks
08:42.41TNSe|if chill of the throne was removed, bosses would need to hit harder,a nd then paladins would be only viable tank
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08:43.10TNSe|Paladins get artifically nerfed through weaker hitting bosses
08:43.53Repo10big-wigs: 03s8095324 * r7224 Citadel/Locales/zhTW.lua: zhTW update
08:44.29TNSe|last 2 days I've had halls of reflection random twice.
08:44.51TNSe|once with a 45k hp ~5300 gs blood dk with all proper talents
08:45.05TNSe|and other time with a 32k hp ~4700 gs prot pally with all proper talents
08:45.16TNSe|the pally run was so much smoother that I almost had time to dps.
08:45.41nevcairielmaybe the dk just sucked
08:45.45TNSe|he did of course
08:46.04TNSe|I believe he had his back turned to 3/4 mobs every time
08:46.09nevcairielheh
08:46.15TNSe|I was spamming out 16k holy lights every 1.4s
08:46.20TNSe|and he was dropping
08:46.26DWSRTNSe: Because gearscore is obviously a measure of how good each tank itemized, amirite?
08:46.36TNSe|no
08:46.40TNSe|gs is hell on earth
08:46.52DWSRSo your comparator is flawed.
08:46.53TorhalGS is fine - 99% of the people who use it are idiots though.
08:46.55DWSRAssertion failed.
08:46.55TNSe|I just use it so people whose life depends on it can see what I'm talking about
08:47.08TNSe|dk: some raid gear, mostly 232
08:47.15TorhalActually, GS is a POS, but its existence isn't the bane of the world
08:47.18TNSe|paladin: some 232, but atleast all epic.
08:47.24TNSe|I could have said that
08:47.30DWSRTNSe: Did one stack stam and the other avoidance?
08:47.31TNSe|but gs 5300 and gs 4800 says that to me.
08:47.34TNSe|no, both sta
08:47.35DWSRTNSe: Did one play better?
08:47.47TNSe|thats the thing
08:47.49DWSRetc. etc. etc.
08:47.59DWSRGS tells you shit all about anything except for someone's ilvl.
08:48.01TNSe|did one play better
08:48.10TNSe|or was it the class that made it easier
08:48.19TNSe|they both used same out of line of sight tactic
08:48.40DWSRSo?
08:48.46DWSRYou get RNG in there somewhere.
08:48.48TNSe|both tanks  had proper gearing and talenst from my inspect (and I don't have GS installed, so my gs was estimated)
08:48.52TNSe|RNG in 8/10 waves?
08:49.02TNSe|I thought RNG was random, not consistant.
08:49.05DWSRTNSe: Sure. One had a lot more casters than the other.
08:49.20TNSe|actually no
08:49.20DWSRAlso, paladins have block.
08:49.24TNSe|the dk only had 2 mages
08:49.35TNSe|one of which he let me get killed by
08:49.40TNSe|the paladin had massive amounts of mages
08:49.49TNSe|almost 1 / wave
08:50.21TNSe|but I do believe the dk was utter crap
08:50.24DWSR^^
08:50.30TNSe|because one of the players was from my server
08:50.36TNSe|I got kicked because "my healing was shit."
08:50.44TNSe|1 hour later they were stil ldoing it
08:50.46TNSe|kicked dk
08:50.52TNSe|and then they completed it
08:51.09DWSRThat's the player, not the class
08:51.13DWSRI know that I tank just fine on my DK
08:51.18TNSe|it was funny when I was suddenly in dala after keeping like 6k hps on the dk over 4 waves
08:51.22TNSe|sand then going dead to a mage :P
08:51.44TNSe|but I'm pretty sure the dk was ultracrap
08:51.55TNSe|it felt like he was tanking 1 mob and turned his back on the rest
08:52.10DWSRNew mob placement deal.
08:52.17DWSRIt's a lot tougher to get all of the mobs in front of you now
08:52.29TNSe|yeah, but I dont think he made an effort :P
08:52.31DWSRYou really have to faff around with it now.
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08:52.44TNSe|heck
08:52.51TNSe|I healed my gf's warrior through hor
08:52.57TNSe|and she has like 32k hp
08:53.19DWSRTNSe: Warriors have the highest skill cap out of any tank.
08:53.40TNSe|I know >_> she's gotten surprisngly good too.
08:53.44DWSRWell played warriors absolutely wreck other tanks.
08:54.06quiescens32k is fine for heroic halls of reflection if people know what they are doing
08:54.09DWSR^^
08:54.20DWSRWarriors are still the best class for tanking, imo.
08:54.29Repo10big-wigs: 03s8095324 * r7225 Citadel/Locales/zhTW.lua: zhTW update
08:54.30DWSRThey have a tool for every situation.
08:54.37TNSe|heh
08:54.46TNSe|yesterday she was complaining that she could not break roots
08:54.50DWSR....
08:54.53DWSRIntercept.
08:54.55TNSe|I had to tell her she got nerfed due to pvp.
08:55.00DWSROh, sorry, right.
08:55.07DWSRHell yeah she got nerfed.
08:55.12DWSRWas fucking super overpowered.
08:55.20quiescensintervene still works for it
08:55.25DWSRI'd slow, charge, slow, intercept, slow intervene charge.
08:55.29DWSRI was like.... really?
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08:56.22TNSe|they should just change warbringer to : Allows the use of all abilities in defensive s tance
08:56.34TNSe|and remove snare breaking, make that a default ability of intervene
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08:56.56TNSe|reason they got snare breaking was because prot has no hamstring
08:56.59quiescenshalf the healers these days probably need a tank to have 40k hp unbuffed even for non icc heroics
08:57.18quiescensdefensive stance has no hamstring
08:57.26DWSRquiescens: You're right.
08:57.38DWSRIt has like 6 stuns instead.
08:57.39TNSe|heh
08:57.50TNSe|blame pvp :P
08:59.19TNSe|last I heard, warrs dropped imp. revenge talent
08:59.26TNSe|a devastate is more threat now >_<
08:59.37TNSe|so you can just remove revenge from bars.
08:59.41quiescensyou could easily enough have been in battle stance anyway
08:59.55quiescensand then you could use hamstring!
08:59.58TNSe|heh
09:00.12quiescensyou mostly lose revenge
09:00.17nevcairielrevenge is dead?
09:00.24TNSe|for raiding, mostly yes
09:00.35TNSe|you are gcd limited anyway
09:00.39TNSe|and you get less revenge procs in icc
09:00.40nevcairielyeah
09:00.59TNSe|and devastate is slightly more threat
09:01.43TNSe|they buffed devastate 20%
09:01.44nevcairielso you just spam shield slam and revenge these days?
09:01.57TNSe|so now devastate passed revenge in threat
09:01.57nevcairieleh
09:01.58nevcairieldevastate
09:02.00nevcairielnot revenge :P
09:02.07TNSe|revenge has better threat/rage
09:02.13TNSe|but you are gcd capped, not rage capped
09:03.13TNSe|they nerfed shieldslam so much, that if it wasnt for the bonus threat on ss
09:03.21TNSe|you'd just spam devastate and hs :P
09:03.23Fiskeryour world will burn nevcairiel
09:03.36DWSRTNSe: You mean, go Unrelenting Assault spec?
09:03.44DWSRAnd not bother with anything but devastate?
09:04.19TNSe|lol
09:04.22Fiskerwhy won't your world burn nevcairiel?
09:04.31nevcairielFisker: because its frozen solid
09:04.55Fiskerooh
09:04.57Fiskerit's a brrr world
09:05.44Repo10big-wigs: 03s8095324 * r7226 Citadel/Locales (2 files in 1 directory): zhTW/zhCN update
09:06.05orionshockan there now Broken_LFD is updated to be a more proper addon instead of a hack job..
09:06.17TorhalIt's still Broken.
09:06.19Torhal:D
09:06.22DWSRlulz.
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09:08.32TNSe|Launching a shuttle after Superfoul.
09:08.40TNSe|I find that horridly questionable tactics from NASA.
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09:08.52orionshock" Use of the word "Broken" in the addon name has no affect to what this addon does."
09:08.53orionshock:P
09:08.55TNSe|most americans are drunk today.
09:09.15quiescens<PROTECTED>
09:09.21nevcairielmost americans are morons, too
09:09.27nevcairielthey still maange to launch shuttles
09:09.38TNSe|I guess rocket science has lost some of its oomph :P
09:09.49Megalonwell
09:09.57Megalonthey just throw billions at it
09:10.09pakozAnyone know of a site that has a large number of UIs posted and a rating system?  something like www.ratemyui.com
09:10.30Megalonif they piled all the money up in 1$ bills
09:10.34DWSRpakoz: Curse.
09:10.39pakozreally dwsr?
09:10.42DWSRyes.
09:10.46DWSRAddon Packages now.
09:10.48Megalonthey would probably also have got a staircase to the moon :P
09:11.17pakozdwsr, where at?
09:11.26Megalonand TNSe|, rocket science needs a lot of oomph, but you have to apply at the right end of the rocket
09:11.42Megalonbut I think even morons can figure out which is the right one
09:12.11TNSe|the part that points downwards?
09:12.15DWSRpakoz: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/packs/default.aspx
09:15.17pakozThanks dwsr, anyone else know of any other similar setups?
09:15.33DWSRWoWI has a collection
09:23.19TorhalHoly fuck, I dudn't realize there were already that many packs on Curse.
09:23.26TorhalThe service has been out what, three months?
09:24.28pakozdwsr, i can't find it ;\
09:24.38DWSRIt's pretty easy.
09:24.39DWSRTorhal: Yeah.
09:24.47DWSRpakoz: It's in there, use your noodle.
09:25.15Torhal39 pages, each with 20 packs on it. Fucking insane.
09:25.43pakozmy noodle is sleep deprived
09:28.15orionshockTorhal, their solution is better than before i'll say. At least this way the various addons stay updated instead of rotting
09:29.38Torhalorionshock: Yeah, but 39 pages of 20 in three months? Jeebus.
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10:34.36sylvanaarman this dungeon guide thing is terrible
10:34.44sylvanaarwhat a hack job
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10:35.31hasteit's just a new name for the party leader
10:35.38hastewhat would you've expected it to be?
10:35.48sylvanaara new chat type
10:35.53sylvanaarwith a translation
10:35.59sylvanaarlike all the other ones
10:36.09sylvanaarCHAT_MSG_PARTY_GUIDE would have worked
10:36.34hasteuhm
10:36.38sylvanaarinstead in the middle of MessageEventhanlder they change they chattype from PARTY_LEADER to PARTY_GUIDE
10:36.56sylvanaarso they can get the translation from CHAT_PARTY_GUIDE_GET
10:37.05hasteit's easier to do on the Lua side!
10:37.14sylvanaarthat was the lua side
10:37.21hastewelcome to why you have a Lua side for interface
10:37.32hastethat way you don't have to change everything on the C side >:3
10:37.51sylvanaaryou aren't seeing my point
10:38.08hasteI don't think I want to see your point :)
10:38.14sylvanaarprobably not
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10:41.15sylvanaaranyhow - channels have always had a static name, this is the only one with a name that changes
10:42.06sylvanaarPARTY_LEADER is sometimes "Party Leader" other times "Dungeon Guide"
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10:47.50hastewhich is fine to solve on the Lua side of things imo
10:49.13evlDid they remove the advanced quest tracking bla bla option in 3.3?
10:49.17evlCan't find it, might be blind
10:52.38MysticalOSi noticed under prat it's always party leader, which i like since i don't like "guide"
10:52.54sylvanaarugh - i know im fixing it
10:53.05MysticalOSno don't fix it :P
10:53.19sylvanaarthats what i was bitching about
10:54.04MysticalOSin fact change it to "Carrying this group"
10:54.59MysticalOSwhen you have a rogue doing 700 dps, and a warrior doing 600 dps, the tank is number 1 on damage and healer is number 2. it makes e wanna cry
10:56.24MysticalOSlesson of day, no matter how much 264 gear you have, The trio will rape you if you try to solo it.
10:56.25Wobinagrees
10:56.25sylvanaarthats the thing
10:56.46sylvanaarto be able to rename it, i had to create a chat type for it
10:56.55sylvanaarbecause blizard didnt
10:56.56Wobinpersonally I don't mind if they're not geared for the dps
10:57.05Wobincause I'm all for helping new 80s gear up
10:57.15Wobinbut those that make -no- effort whatsoever... =P
10:57.19MysticalOSi didn't say the rogue and warrior had bad gear, just bad dps
10:57.22MysticalOSlol
10:57.34Wobineg any hunter that does <1k dps
10:57.42MysticalOSyou know how often i see full T9 rogues under 1k
10:58.57olafskiwhich trio is this?
10:59.01olafskithe AQ40 one? ,)
10:59.05Wobinlove is in the air
10:59.08olafskioh
10:59.20olafskiyeah it seemed a step up from HH or Coren
10:59.23Wobinbasically, if you don't have heals, the other colour will rape you =P
10:59.55MysticalOSthey are designed to do a crap load of damage if you ignore the perfume mechanic of it, if you do not have at least 2 people with the two diff types of buff to tank the two bosses away from eachother, they do ridiculous damage., destroys soloing
11:00.05MysticalOSbut if you do have the buffs then they are retardedly simple
11:00.16Wobinwell, you can do it with one tank
11:00.20Wobinyou just have to have a healer
11:00.35MysticalOSyeah overhealing would pull it off too
11:00.41olafskiyer we did it with one tank
11:01.00MysticalOSand frye holy shit I've never tried to tank anything more annoying
11:01.12MysticalOSruns around like a wild man, drops aggro every few seconds
11:01.43Wobinyou can't tank him =(
11:01.58MysticalOSwell, you don't really tank him, just taunt him whenever he runs after a healer
11:02.01Wobinif you kill him first, it saves the hassle of moving after
11:02.03MysticalOSwhich is fairly often
11:02.25MysticalOSplus as a p;rot warrior i stun him as often as possible to sit his ass still
11:02.27Wobincause then you just switch potions after one of the aura ones is dead and not worry about standing in stuff
11:02.38Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r402 / (4 files in 3 directories):
11:02.39Repocreated a new global chat type and event: CHAT_MSG_PARTY_GUIDE which is identical to CHAT_MSG_PARTY_LEADER. The corresponding chat type PARTY_GUIDE has its translation extracted from CHAT_PARTY_GUIDE_GET. Updated the channelnames module to support PARTY_GUIDE, other modules may need to be updated as well.
11:02.52olafskihm we just nuked it.. I guess we all used a potion but dunno which one
11:02.59olafskiI left the group after one kill anyway
11:03.14MysticalOSyou really need no tank for fight with potion, long as you match colors to the two
11:03.19MysticalOSdps or even healer can tank them
11:04.12MysticalOSyou cannot interupt them but all stuns work too, so you can easily stun every unstable reaction cast which is the aoe fire damage that hits for about 8k
11:05.03MysticalOSwith good dps you can kill first one before 2nd or 3rd are active, when you pull, first one becomes active after 8 seconds, second 16 esconds and third 24 seconds
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11:09.11MysticalOSso did 3.3.2 actually replace CHAT_MSG_PARTY_LEADER with guide or add guide to it?
11:11.42sylvanaarthey just changed the channel name dynamically
11:12.05sylvanaarits really party leader
11:12.19Grumthey added Guide if you are in a LFG dungeon
11:12.31sylvanaarbut in the middle of chatframeMEH they change it to PARTY_GUIDE
11:12.35Grumyeah they replaced it on the spot just before they create the message
11:12.46MysticalOSah but the message is still CHAT_MSG_PARTY_LEADER
11:12.50Grumyup
11:14.30sylvanaarits the one inconsistancy in their naming system
11:14.33Grumalso the only reason they did it that way is to abuse the 'CHAT_'..type..'_GET' to get the localization from GlobalStrings.lua
11:14.49sylvanaarright
11:15.07sylvanaarits a hack
11:15.10Grum'yet another hack' on their chatsystem
11:15.17MysticalOSnow if only you can fix the taint in libwho :p
11:15.20sylvanaarso whatever I created the full chat type
11:15.24sylvanaarwhat taint
11:15.48MysticalOS2/7 19:54:46.925  Global variable SetWhoToUI tainted by WIM - Interface\AddOns\WIM\Libs\LibWho-2.0\LibWho-2.0.lua:785
11:15.54MysticalOS2/7 19:54:46.925  Execution tainted by WIM while reading SetWhoToUI - WhoFrame:OnShow()
11:15.59sylvanaari think i remember hearing about it - yeah it was wim related i think
11:16.04MysticalOSnot sure if bug is wim or libwho tho
11:16.49sylvanaarinstall FuBar_WhoLibFu and see if it goes away
11:17.55MysticalOSi have latest libwho installed, since i know wim hasn't been touched in ages
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11:18.24profalberthey, how can I get a forum on my addon-page?#
11:18.51sylvanaari forgot what this problem was
11:19.28sylvanaarwhen does it happen
11:19.33MysticalOShmm interestin i just noticed the ticket on wholib where the same taint shows up not related to wim
11:21.41Torhalprofalbert: Which AddOn?
11:22.14sylvanaarhe posted a debugstack
11:22.19sylvanaaryou posted a taintlog
11:23.40profalbertTorhal: Parrot could need one the most I think. it's ckknight's addon though
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11:25.38profalbertSo it's only created on personal request?
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11:36.27Torhalprofalbert: Aye. Parrot now has a forum.
11:36.33profalbertTorhal: thanks
11:36.57Torhalnp
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11:45.29sylvanaarMysticalOS: i wish i could remember what that bug was about now
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11:53.36sylvanaaroh i see- anything that hooks SetWhoToUI will taint the friends frame
11:57.27sylvanaaror friendsframe_onevent
11:58.06sylvanaaridk, nm i can do about that - thats how wholib works
11:58.23Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7229 Citadel/Sindragosa.lua:
11:58.25RepoWarn every 2 stacks of buffet, in case people are doing the achievement
11:58.26Repo.
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12:00.14hastepeople still use parrot :P ?
12:00.37profalbertobviously, else I would quit
12:02.00hastesounds like a horrible reason to play the game then
12:02.15profalbertnot quit playing
12:03.02profalbertI thought of writing some new Addon, that is a bit more decoupled.
12:03.08profalbertLike one addon just for displaying stuff
12:03.29profalbertone for the combat-events, and one for making triggers, or so
12:03.56sylvanaarMysticalOS: do you still have the problem with x-realm whos
12:04.33profalbertAlso, the display-module is the only thing in Parrot that isn't ... well
12:04.35profalbert<PROTECTED>
12:05.03sylvanaari like parrots event building system
12:05.35profalbertIt's quite inefficient
12:05.58sylvanaarits efficient enough for me i guess
12:07.01profalbertMSBT can do it with much less resource-usage (CPU and memory)
12:16.34Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r403 services/chatsections.lua: support the DEV chat flag
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12:22.48Repo10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7230 Citadel/Locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update
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12:27.28sylvanaari think that the new lfg stuff introduced something thats causing the friendsframe to get tainted
12:28.32Fiskerno u
12:30.53MegalonFisker taints it
12:33.07Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03TrAsHeR * r2545 Locales/constants.fr.lua: frFR update
12:33.58MysticalOSat the time of the tank I am pretty sure was in raid group in ulduar farming charms
12:34.02MysticalOStaint*
12:34.44MysticalOSwhispering away while i lol spammed anti rocket at the ground :)
12:36.10MysticalOSby which point my demo got to like 18% health pretty fast and i soon realized i was soloing ulduar trash on 25 man instead of 10 man.
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12:38.34FiskerMysticalOS
12:38.37Fiskername and realm?
12:39.55MysticalOSof char i was on at the time? or main?
12:43.57sylvanaari think it might be UIDropDownMenu - it was changed in 3.3
12:44.51nevcairielthe default friend list is not tainted
12:45.27nevcairieland everything taints UIDropDown stuff, yet the friendlist survives :D
12:46.04MysticalOSyeah xperl taints stuff all the time but nothing breaks :)
12:46.19MysticalOSjust makes spammy log
12:46.49MysticalOSall i have to do is right click a UI frame in combat and it taints. but doesn't really break anything
12:47.18MysticalOSthat i've noticed anyways
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13:10.27Repo10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r7231 Citadel (3 files in 2 directories):
13:10.28Repo* Citadel/Sindragosa: Delete a locale, we don't need it anymore.
13:10.29Repo* Update deDE: Change wording for Putricide, add the Lich King.
13:11.42sylvanaarMysticalOS: yeah that'd be uidropdownmenu
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13:21.36Repo10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz * r19 / (2 files in 2 directories): Bug fixes
13:21.50RepoOption to show Quest Names in the tooltip
13:29.14sylvanaari wonder if there is a way to add things to unitpopups without tainting them
13:29.44sylvanaarMysticalOS: did you click on a party frame or raid frame?
13:32.25Repo10quartz: 03Nevcairiel * r95 Quartz.lua:
13:32.26RepoShow a warning on first login after upgrade from the old Ace2 version, reminding the user to re-configure Quartz.
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14:05.52mitch0nev: why didn't you do the auto-conversion? :P
14:06.50nevcairielconverting is a pita
14:11.38Fiskerslaps mitch0 around a bit with a large trout
14:15.58koaschtenanyone recently added a GTC to his/her account?
14:16.15koaschtenjust trying and its not accepting the code, whats the way of resolving this?
14:16.27koaschtenits not saying the code is wrong it just states a general error
14:18.11Fiskertry another browser
14:18.13Fiskeror clear the cache
14:18.30Fiskerotherwise it's probably just a temporary issue
14:18.32koaschteni tried 3 browsers on 2 machines
14:18.35koaschten;)
14:18.43koaschtenso 6 scenarios failing
14:20.38Fiskerall of your computers fail then
14:21.12evlkoaschten: eu or us?
14:21.12koaschteneu
14:23.07winkanyone knows if by chance I can get a channel full of bash people on this network? (bash as in /bin/bash, yes)
14:23.54steevwink: any linux channel
14:24.23winkwell, most of those are horrible
14:24.34evlkoaschten: I previously had some problems with that, waited a day or so
14:24.43winkand the one I'm lurking in didn't bring any results. anyway here's the problem:
14:24.44evlwink: question one, what are you trying to do :P
14:25.22steevkoaschten: make sure your clock is set right on your computer
14:25.54winkalias vi='vim' < works, ofc // alias vi='vim $*; do_something' < does not work in bash, because $* is bound at alias definiton. workaround would be function vi() { vim "$*"; do_something; } < but function does NOT override binaries in $PATH
14:26.12koaschtensteev its online synced and matches the time time within a few seconds with the realm server time
14:26.27koaschten(and yes, the server is in the same timezone as i am)
14:26.51evlwink: everything is passed on to the result afail, so alias vi="vim";vim whatever should work like a charm
14:27.27evlwink: alternative echo "/usr/bin/vim $1" >> /usr/bin/vi;chmod +x /usr/bin/vi
14:27.43evlprobably something else than $1, don't remember atm
14:27.59winkevl: well, the important part is to run another command AFTER vim has closed
14:28.14winkthat's why the implicit $* in first example has to be in the middle
14:28.15evlwink: then go with the script
14:28.20evlwink: and call it vi
14:28.25winkand I wanted to avoid a local file
14:28.30winkthat's basically the point
14:28.37evlAhh, I get it :/
14:29.02winkand $1 vs $* shouldn't matter, same problem
14:29.12koaschtenuhm
14:29.24koaschtenwhen did they exchange the undercity abominations with kor'krons?
14:29.33evllast patch afaik
14:32.31winkaha!, I solved
14:32.35winkI forgot unalias vi
14:32.42winkso it was always calling the old alias
14:32.48winkwhich did override the function
14:32.50winkhead->desk
14:33.00winkglobals = crap
14:36.50mitch0$@
14:39.11XtekMorning
14:47.16asmodaiheya Xtek
14:47.29XtekHey.
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14:51.21steevpenny arcade is pretty awesome today
14:51.26Grumurl :(
14:54.35quiescens"today" is so ambiguous on the internet
14:56.22steevhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/
14:56.28Torhalquiescens: That's why I killed Fisker next week.
14:58.17SunTsuwink: mkdir ~/bin; PATH=~/bin:$PATH;ln `which vim` ~/bin/vi
14:58.49Arrowmastersteev: thats not from today
14:58.51winkthat's not even doing one of the things I wanted :)
14:59.33SunTsuwink: then I really didn't get your problem
14:59.39winknvm :P
14:59.42winkit's solved
15:01.30steevArrowmaster: whatever
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15:01.57Arrowmasterits from 3 days ago
15:02.46steevi don't see a date on it
15:03.07Arrowmasterpress previous then next
15:03.21Arrowmasterhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/2/5/
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15:08.19kadrahilslaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout
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15:09.22Repo10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz * r20 / (3 files in 2 directories):
15:09.24RepoYou asked for filters, you get a huge list of categories (The zone menu)
15:09.25RepoFilter Icons and Tooltips by category filters.
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15:11.37Fiskerdon't kill me Torhal
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15:12.54kadrahilfiskerq
15:13.24TorhalFisker: I can't, anyway. Wobin is the one who took so much speed he's in the future.
15:14.03WobinHello from tuesday
15:14.22kadrahilwe had these dry-erase boards put up in our offices here at work
15:14.37kadrahilexcept they weren't actually boards, they were large sheets of dry erase material plastered to the walls
15:14.47kadrahilso it was a seamless flat surface
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15:15.08kadrahilthey put them up on friday and they were all on the floor this morning.
15:15.31kadrahilreal nice product there
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15:27.53Repo10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz * r21 / (2 files in 2 directories): Disable Data Loading while InCombatLockdown()
15:28.07RepoAdd warning to data loading option (pretty intensive searching, perhaps change EQG data to include zoneid, will cut down on read times)
15:30.06Repo10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz 04r22-beta * r22 : Created tag r22-beta.
15:34.44Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1297 / (11 files in 2 directories):  (Message trimmed by 4 lines)
15:34.46Repo- Enabled CoE/Ebon Plague/Earth and Moon calculation for Rogues and Hunters (for poisons, envenom etc.)
15:34.47Repo- Rogue Poisons now properly inherit all the spellhit and spellcrit they should from buffs/talents
15:34.48Repo- Gouge doesn't cause poison procs
15:34.49Repo- Implemented calculation of Half-Physical, Half-Magic attacks so that they no longer need a second buff/debuff iteration
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15:41.02Repo10libqtip-1-0: 03Torhal * r127 LibQTip-1.0.lua:
15:43.44RepoIn AcquireTooltip(): Fixed typo in the name of the parent of scrollChild.
15:43.45RepoNew function: tipPrototype:SetCellMarginH() - sets the tooltip's horizontal cell margin. Only usable before adding lines.
15:43.47RepoNew function: tipPrototype:SetCellMarginV() - sets the tooltip's vertical cell margin. Only usable before adding lines.
15:43.48RepoChanged some whitespace formatting in the code.
15:43.49Repo10everyquest: 03kandarz * r153 / (3 files in 1 directory): Fix SideNone filter (applies to new valentines day quests)
15:43.50RepoMaybe fix annoying server query bug
15:43.52Repo10everyquest: 03kandarz 04r154-beta * r154 : Created tag r154-beta.
15:45.38Axodiousoh man sonic the hedgehog 4 in 2d again
15:45.40Axodiouscan't wait
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15:55.29Repo10libqtip-1-0: 03Torhal 04r128-release * r128 : Tagging as r128-release
15:55.30Repo10loot-council: 03kandarz * r23 LootCouncil.lua: Comment out testing data
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16:02.43steevanyone know a "runscript" to untrack all achievements?
16:02.52steevi'm apparently tracking some that are already completed
16:03.04steevso when i try to track more than 3, its telling me i'm already tracking 10
16:06.09Repo10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz * r23 addon.lua: Save new filters to character data
16:06.11Repo10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz 04r24-beta * r24 : Created tag r24-beta.
16:06.12Repo10quartz: 03Nevcairiel * r96 modules/Pet.lua:
16:06.14RepoAlways apply the "Hide Blizzard Cast Bar" option, even when our bar is disabled.
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16:38.10Repo10libqtip-1-0: 03Torhal * r129 LibQTip-1.0.lua: Urk. Forgot to up the MINOR.
16:39.26Repo10libqtip-1-0: 03Torhal 04r130-release * r130 : Tagging as r130-release
16:42.51Silmanolua> print(8.43%10);
16:42.52lua_botSilmano: 8.43
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16:46.43olafskiwho would have guessed
16:47.13arkanesmight have been 8
16:48.04olafskireally? :s
16:48.09olafskibecause he used 10 instead of 10.0?
16:48.19arkanescoulda been
17:01.24Kaelteng'morning
17:02.06TorhalKaelten: He lives!
17:02.16Kaeltennot really
17:02.18Kalrothare you sure
17:02.19KaeltenIm tired
17:02.19Kalrothhaha
17:02.21Kaeltenand it's snowing
17:02.28Kalrothsteals Kaeltens coffee.
17:03.21Axodioushttp://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/halolz-dot-com-pokemon-koffing-coffee-comic.gif
17:03.29Axodious"This Koffing comic is a pretty accurate representation of my mood every time I go to Starbucks!"
17:05.51Ackisis that a pokemon?
17:05.55hasteyes
17:06.06Ackisfuck pokemon
17:06.14Ackisthey release 1000 games that are all the same storyline
17:06.21Ackisand my fiancee is hooked on the damn things
17:06.34nicoli_slol
17:06.40ShadowedAckis:  could be worst
17:06.43nicoli_si played the shit out of the original 2
17:06.43Shadowedshe could play the card game
17:07.14AckisShadowed: because of her I've spent about $5k on the wow tcg/mini's :P (I could've said no, so it's partially my fault)
17:07.28ShadowedAnd you're complaining about HER addiction? :P
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17:07.51Ackisshe wanted to play, etc... and then all of a sudden was "no I don't want to play anymore"
17:07.56arkanesonly *partly* your fault?
17:08.09Ackisfine, none of it is my fault!
17:08.09arkanesI hope you at least got a chicken
17:08.14Axodiousyou could have spent over $9k
17:08.18Axodioussee what i did there?
17:08.25AckisI hate you all
17:08.56Shadowedno you don't, you love us
17:08.59Shadowedexcept Fisker
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17:13.33quiescenso.o
17:13.55quiescensebil
17:15.29Kaelten~comfort Ackis
17:15.30purlThere, there, Ackis.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
17:17.08kagaroAckis i feel for you
17:17.53Ackishi kagaro
17:17.57Ackishow's it going?
17:18.01kagarocould bebetter
17:18.11Ackis:(
17:18.34kagarolets just say I just started the job hunting process
17:18.58Ackisugh I'm sorry man
17:19.04kagaroit happens
17:19.11quiescenspositive spin
17:19.15quiescens~
17:19.43kagaroyou have too
17:19.51kagaroor go insane
17:19.56kagarowith startups
17:21.26Torhalkagaro: No more 18-hour days?
17:22.12kagarofor the forseeable future i dont think so, rumor mill is we got bought out over the weekend so gota wait and see
17:24.31kagaroTorhal:  its a crap shoot
17:25.15Axodiousman, windows is so much more responsive when roaming profiles isn't enabled ~_~
17:29.38kagaroroaming profiles are evil
17:30.11Axodiousjust redid my home server which i use for test purposes
17:30.25Axodiousinstead of roaming profiles just enabled folder redirect on important folders (documents, favorites, etc)
17:31.03Axodiousanyway afk
17:33.47Fiskerhey Torhal
17:33.50Fiskeryou tried to kill me
17:34.27TorhalFisker: Not yet. Next week.
17:41.51quiescensno harm in pushing the timetable forward is there?
17:45.51Torhalquiescens: He'll expect that.
17:47.11arkanesso by keeping to the published schedule, you're trying to surprise him?
17:47.27arkanesbut now you'll never be able to kill him at all! You've created a logical paradox!
17:48.39Torhalarkanes: arkanes: Shhhh
17:48.52TorhalDoubletab!
17:50.04quiescensif i doubletab it goes to the next person ):
17:51.38TorhalSame here, but I tab completed, was distracted, typed and tabbed again
17:56.23quiescenshax
18:00.12AckisTorhal: distracted? found your pen fifteen again?
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18:00.59Pneumatusso yeh, analysing one of our stats processes at work today to find i'd managed to get a query into production that was taking about 3 hours to execute :o
18:01.08Pneumatusand considering 2.9bn records
18:01.28durcynfire all DBAs.  into the sun.
18:01.39quiescenshow often does this 3 hour query need to be executed
18:01.40quiescenso.o
18:01.57Pneumatusonce a day, but it shouldn't have been executing for anywhere near that time
18:02.09Pneumatusit was left joining an unrestricted table w/ no index lookup
18:02.16quiescensgrats
18:02.28Pneumatusand subquerying the result... it should have only been considering 100k records at most
18:02.34Pneumatusnot 2.9bn
18:03.08TorhalAckis: HAX
18:03.23GnarfozPneumatus: so... what did you do?
18:03.35PneumatusGnarfoz: rewrote it into 3 separate queries
18:03.44Pneumatusthat now run in <1sec
18:03.53Gnarfozand achieve the same result?
18:04.10Fiskerhey Gnarfoz
18:04.18Gnarfozhey, moron of the day
18:04.36Pneumatuswell, to the same end although the determinism of the sorting has changed slightly
18:04.40GnarfozPneumatus: which DBMS, if I may ask?
18:04.45Pneumatusmysql
18:04.53quiescensclearly the solution is transactions
18:04.56GnarfozI see
18:05.10Pneumatuswe can't use transactions
18:05.24Pneumatusthe performance hit from the overhead is unacceptible
18:06.50GnarfozoO
18:06.55Gnarfozso you use MyISAM?
18:07.01Pneumatusnope, innodb
18:07.14Gnarfoznow I'm confused :D
18:07.39quiescensusing transactions for the specific parts that need it shouldn't be too bad ):
18:08.02Pneumatusmaybe, but we're generally only inserting 1 row to 1 table at once
18:08.10Gnarfozdo you... have to start transactions manually w/ mysql?
18:09.21Pneumatuswell, we use the Spring framework to manage database stuff, and afaik you configure spring to either use transactions or not use transactions
18:09.55GnarfozI only ever used mysql for non-critical stuff, hence it was myisam, which doesn't do transactions anyway. and I just finished my Oracle OCP certification, so now my head is full of Oracle stuff, and I can't really imagine how you would do non-transactional stuff on a storage engine that has support for transactions
18:10.40arkanesPneumatus: how much is the transaction overhead?
18:11.16Pneumatusarkanes: nfi these days, but it was unacceptably high last time we had transactions running
18:11.20quiescensusing transactions for the stuff that really needs it shouldn't really be a significant overhead ):
18:11.40arkanesindeed
18:11.49Pneumatusthat's the point, we don't do much that would ever actually need it
18:11.51arkanesthere's usually lots better solutions than "not use transactions"
18:11.57quiescensthen that's even better
18:12.02quiescensthen you only use it for the parts that do
18:12.04arkanesand if you can really just stop using them, using an RDBMS to begin with was probably a mistake
18:12.21arkanesthat said, the overhead from them in a good database is minimal
18:12.35arkaneswell, "good"
18:12.45Pneumatuswe're inserting tens of rows a second, on average
18:12.55arkanesthat's... very small
18:13.08arkanescertainly nowhere near a level you should be caring about exception overhead
18:13.23arkaneswhat DB did you say you were using?
18:13.24Pneumatusbut we're constantly processing said data
18:13.27Pneumatusmysql
18:13.30arkanesah
18:14.09arkanesI dont know how mysql implements theirs
18:14.28arkanesbut I would not be surprised to find out that you were dealing with a table lock blocking inserts
18:15.15Pneumatuswell, our table keys are held in JVM at the moment, but we really need to sort that out so we can run multiple JVMs concurrently
18:15.51steevwe use mysql and postgres here
18:15.58arkanesevery time I talk with someone who's using mysql I just become more and more happy that I'
18:16.03arkanesI've never had to do anything with it
18:16.30arkanes<3 postgres, although I've never had the opportunity to do anything really big with it
18:16.55arkanesPneumatus: regardless though, 10s of inserts per second is a tiny, tiny workload, even with transaction and even with querying the tables all the time
18:17.07arkanesI do a similar workload on a sqlite database without even thinking about it
18:17.45arkanestransaction overhead being a problem for you might mean there's something else going on that you're not catching
18:17.54Pneumatusperhaps
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18:18.59quiescenstransaction overhead could still be a problem if the transactions aren't done right, using a transaction over entire swathes of queries that don't really need it isn't good either
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18:19.24arkaneswell, I'm kind of biased
18:19.46arkanesnot having transactions means not having data integrity - it's about the rollbacks, as much as it is consistent views of data
18:20.01arkanesand I don't see the point to having a database engine if you're going to use it for data integrity
18:20.05GnarfozI thought mysql only has table locks?
18:20.10arkanesdoes it?
18:20.12Pneumatusinnodb has row locks
18:20.13Gnarfozor is that only with myisam
18:20.13Pneumatusafaik
18:20.30Pneumatusmyisam only has table locks though, yeh
18:20.38Gnarfozthat'd be bad
18:20.39Gnarfoz:p
18:20.45arkanespostgres handles this reader/writer issue in a much better way than mysql does, though
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18:21.00Gnarfozwell, you have to lock at level
18:21.10Pneumatuswe're not especially worried about integrity though, as we're only doing statistical analysis of data, essentially
18:21.22Pneumatusa few missing records here and there isn't the end of the world, as such
18:21.26Gnarfoznevcairiel: can I bother you to change the topic? it's fucking february, not quite "happy new year" time anymore xD
18:21.27arkanesPneumatus: I was wondering, given what you said about your insert/query patterns
18:22.10nevcairielGnarfoz: gimme something new
18:22.10arkanesPneumatus: I'd suggest that an RDBMS isn't really the best engine for that
18:22.10Gnarfoznevcairiel: s/ | Happy New Year!//
18:22.10arkaneshow about something you can use?
18:22.10arkanesdrity laundry?
18:22.41quiescensthat's a bit heavy handed o.o
18:22.45arkanesthis is an awesome photo: http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Richard-S.-Wright-Jr.-LastNighLaunch_1265622144.jpg
18:23.34quiescensi'm sure there are viable uses of rdbms that don't involve queries that require transactions
18:23.41harlmy realmpool is currently lagging that much, i just needed a solid 5 minutes to turn in a quest
18:23.48Pneumatusbut writing an unindexed query that considered 2.9bn records and took 3 hours to execute was bad :<
18:24.11arkanesquiescens: well, queries don't require transactions of course
18:24.29arkanesso sure, you might say that a set of totally static tables was one such use case
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19:18.03Groktarhmm
19:18.23Groktari'm thinking the 42x42 tree icons could be a tad big
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19:26.45sylvanaar_workgod linus said he likes his nexus one - now all the linux fanbois will *have* to have one
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19:27.19arkanesI've never understood the motivations of people who complain about "fanboys"
19:27.57arkanesespecially pre-emptively
19:28.11sylvanaar_workits a pejorative
19:28.33arkanesso you're mad because linux said he liked his phone and now you think some people you don't care about will buy one
19:28.42sylvanaar_workim not mad
19:28.45arkanes*linus, of course
19:28.49arkanesyou sound mad
19:29.18sylvanaar_worki think its closer to mild annoyance
19:29.29arkanesbecause he said he liked his phone?
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19:29.50sylvanaar_workbecause it will become super trendy
19:29.54arkanes...
19:30.04arkanesyes, linus is famous for starting trends
19:30.12arkanesbut granted thats true, whats wrong it it becoming trendy?
19:30.19sylvanaar_worknothing
19:30.32arkanesso why does it annoy you?
19:31.21nevcairielso he is not allowed to be anything else then neutral just because some idiots have to follow his every step? =P
19:31.32nevcairielblame them, not him
19:31.47Repo10auracle: 03taleden * r93 Auracle.toc: - 1.2.0 release
19:31.49sylvanaar_workim not blaming anyone - im just annoyed at my vision of the future
19:31.58arkanespeople using the nexus one?
19:32.02sylvanaar_worki have one
19:32.06arkanesthats some serious dystopian shit there
19:32.06sylvanaar_workits in a box
19:32.17arkanesok?
19:32.24sylvanaar_worki have been trying to return in for 1 month
19:32.39arkanesmaybe you can sell it to a linux fanboy
19:32.42sylvanaar_workthey said they have "computer problems" and lost my RMA
19:32.53Repo10auracle: 03taleden 041.2.0 * r94 : Tagging as 1.2.0
19:33.36arkanesso you're irritated because you're getting poor technical support on the same phone that linus likes, and other people who you don't like might buy one
19:33.38sylvanaar_workthen when i gave them the number they said - we'll email you shipping info by end of day - i have done this 3 times now
19:34.11arkanessurely you should be happy, because now either all the people you don't like will also get bad support, or they will improve support to handle the flood of new customers
19:34.43Nechcknfanboy-ism is annoying because you cannot have any discussion involving logic.  And that is very annoying.
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19:34.55sylvanaar_worki dont care i just dont like fanbois
19:35.31arkanessylvanaar_work: well that doesn't sound very logical
19:36.59sylvanaar_workarkanes: im not a vulcan
19:37.54arkanes:(
19:47.05Primerwonders if sylvanaar is secretly a mac fanboy
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20:02.38Repo87926eb: Added the "Toxic Wasteling" to the Pet database.
20:02.40Repofedab4c: Added the "Big Love Rocket" to the Mount database.
20:02.40Repo1933c4a: Added "Apothecary Hummel" to the Mob database.
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20:03.28PrimerSpeaking of that Valentine's day daily...anyone know what the level requirement is for picking up the quest?
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20:06.06pompyPrimer: looks like any, http://www.wowhead.com/?guide=love-is-in-the-air#random-daily-quests
20:06.29pompyhttp://www.wowhead.com/?guide=love-is-in-the-air#main-questline
20:07.19Primerno, the instance
20:07.39Primerlike brewfest and headless horseman required level 75
20:07.46nevcairielwooo google maps on android finally got multi touch
20:07.47Primerand dropped item level 200
20:07.57Primerwhereas this one drops 226
20:08.19PrimerI have a 76 druid, and was hoping to get some welfare epics, if people would be willing to carry me
20:08.48pompyPrimer: http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=14488
20:09.04PrimerI looked for this the other day I couldn't find it
20:09.32Primerok, requires 75! excellent
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20:12.29Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r2546 Modules/ (2 files in 2 directories): - Adjust Arena set prices
20:12.31Repo- small adjustements
20:14.42sylvanaar_worknevcairiel: yeah, thats what made linus like it
20:14.58nevcairielheh
20:15.04nevcairieli just updated my droid
20:15.35sylvanaar_workhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/08/linus-torvalds-is-now-a-happy-nexus-one-owner-pinch-to-zoom-put/
20:16.28sylvanaar_workno even better - his blog
20:16.30sylvanaar_workhttp://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2010/02/happy-camper.html
20:19.29Repo10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth * r251 / (2 files in 2 directories): cologne
20:20.33Repo10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * beta5-8-gb633eb2 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Update changelog and turn it on.
20:24.36Repo10collectinator: 03Torhal 04beta6 * 8744dc8 /: [new tag] Tagging as beta6
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20:29.54Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r2547 Documentation/Release_Notes.txt: Release Notes updated
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20:48.25Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1298 / (5 files in 2 directories):
20:48.39Repo- Now does more matching of abilities to their buffs/debuffs at loadup. This will increase memory cost by a bit but reduce CPU usage during updates
20:53.35Repo10project-13908: 03Smuggles * r59 FuBar_DebuggerFu.lua: included addon date and version info
20:54.39Repo10fu-bar_pot-herb-fu: 03Smuggles * r52 FuBar_PotHerbFu.lua: included addon date and version info
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20:58.24Pneumatusanyone know what blessing of wisdom is in spanish?
20:58.49Pneumatusohwait, wowhead
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21:04.01Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1299 Aura.lua: - Added GBoW to the same category as BoW
21:04.28GagorianPneumatus: That reminded me I had something to do ;)
21:09.20Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.2-1.0.2-1-gaa5156e Prefixes.lua: [+1 commit] Added detection of Raid Watch 2, renamed the entry for LibQuixote-2.0 (users won't care who wrote it!), and normalized formatting of whitespace.
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21:28.52Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1300 / (2 files in 1 directory):
21:28.54Repo- Fixed an issue introduced in previous commits regarding the aura calculation of double spells like Shadowflame
21:31.07Fiskeri would Torhal
21:31.12Fiskerso you better revert that
21:37.08TorhalFisker: NEIN!
21:37.21TorhalYou wouldn't.
21:41.46Repo10castbars: 03xbeeps * r79 Castbars.lua:
21:41.48Repo- Add display of pushback when spells are delayed due to interruptions.
21:41.49Repo- Fix the alignment of the spell text so it is always centered in the free space.
21:44.01ShadowedThis remix UI dead thread is amazing
21:44.22ShadowedIt's basically compilation authors going "SCREW AUTHOR RIGHTS I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT"
21:44.49TorhalShadowed: That's being re-hashed again? Yay!
21:44.55Shadowedhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23042534805&sid=1&pageNo=1
21:44.57Torhali'm just glad it isn't WoWMatrix this time.
21:49.02Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1301 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Small optimization in the caster module
21:53.05GagorianShadowed: "Addon author drama ftw. It's sad that somebody would care so much about some LUA code that is easily repeatable by any nitwit with a book and some experience in photoshop that was disseminated on the internet for free. No better than the music industry. "
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21:53.17Gagorian*facepalm*
21:53.53TorhalGagorian: I personally use The GIMP to write all of my code.
21:53.57Torhalcackles.
21:55.42Repo10castbars: 03xbeeps 042.30 * r80 : Tagging as 2.30
21:56.21ShadowedGagorian:  Lua Lua Lua Lua!
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21:58.11GnarfozShadowed: where's krka when you need him
21:58.36Gnarfoz(I know he has repo blacklisted, but that could be improved... parse the commit message for author name, etc. :D)
21:58.50ShadowedGagorian:  isn't repo Gnarfoz  :p
21:59.22GnarfozShadowed: oh shi-
22:01.11GagorianShadowed: That's what I said
22:01.13Gagorian!
22:01.25Shadowedoh, is that someones quote?
22:01.50Fiskerlook at my Gnarfoz my Gnarfoz's amazing
22:02.22TorhalShadowed: Yes
22:02.26Shadowedamazing
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22:02.42TorhalShadowed: This idiot actually thinks "LUA" is done with "a book and photoshop"
22:02.43GagorianShadowed: That's why I put the quotes around it!
22:02.53GagorianPlus it's from your thread
22:02.55Gagorian:p
22:02.58TorhalAye
22:03.35ShadowedI didn't read it after I linked it!
22:03.57GagorianFail!
22:04.06GagorianIs it since 5.1 varargs no longer creates a new table?
22:04.26Shadowedno 5.1 still does it, it's based on how you compile it as far as I know
22:04.43Shadowedin wow it doesn't
22:11.07Repo10visualheal: 03xbeeps 0410.9 * r60 : Tagging as 10.9
22:12.07sylvanaar_workwhat the hell is that thread about - im out of the loop
22:12.36Shadowedsylvanaar: just crazy compilation authors
22:13.08sylvanaar_workno, who didnt want thier addon in it
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22:13.44ShadowedAdys: ping
22:13.55Shadowedsylvanaar: Unknown, I assume it was STUF or something along those lines since he said it was a core addon
22:17.22sylvanaar_workcarbonite? thats what i got from the thread
22:18.31GagorianDon't think it was Carbonite
22:18.54Gagorianhe was just saying he was going to do some stuff with Carbonite if he wouldn't have quit making it
22:19.04GagorianAt least that's how I understood it
22:19.10Shadowedif Carbonite was a core part of a UI I would question a lot of things
22:19.41sylvanaar_worki liked its minimap thingy
22:20.02sylvanaar_workthats about it
22:20.22ShadowedThe minimap thing was fancy, but not my tastes
22:22.50GagorianI don't even know what Carbonite is
22:22.51Gagorian:D
22:23.15arkanesisnt carbonite blacklisted by wow now anyway?
22:23.21Shadowedhuh, why would it be?
22:23.25arkanesnot taht I can think of how they'd blacklist it without a workaround
22:23.28ShadowedIt got switched to free when they outlawed paid addons
22:23.57arkanesah, that same patch introduced a badaddons file, so I assumed that carbonite was nixed
22:23.57orionshockthere code is still garbled a bit, but not as bad as before when you couldn't open it up in a text editor w/o it crashing
22:24.31Megalonorionshock: you are using weird texteditors
22:24.42arkanesseriously
22:24.43orionshockgedit on Ubuntu
22:25.05orionshockopening a 10mb file is a pain regardless
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22:25.38GagorianCarbonite's source looks like someone vomited into the texteditor
22:28.17GagorianLicense agreement "The Software (in both object and source code forms) constitutes valuable trade secret information of Company, and You may not reverse-engineer, decompile or disassemble the Software or otherwise attempt to gain access to the source code for the Software. "
22:28.48GagorianWell with that kind of code I'd rather rewrite it than even attempt to :D
22:29.11Gnarfozvoid agreements are fun <3
22:29.26orionshockwell despite the "Addon Policy" by blizzard that is not legally binding, it's an asshole move to make in a license agreement in a predominantly open source community
22:29.26Gnarfoz(sadly, they are not available in all jurisdictions ^^)
22:29.39arkanesthats a silly boilerplate license they copied from somewhere else of course
22:30.02arkanessince it's ridiculously inapplicable to code thats distributed in source form
22:31.04Megalonit's like those e-mail footers
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22:31.53Megalon"if you are not the designated recipient of this e-mail you have to kill yourself. now"
22:32.26Megalonjust with a more bloomy wording used
22:38.44GagorianNeoTron: Had time to check up on that T10 thing yet?
22:41.09NeoTronno I forgot. :P
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22:48.32Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7232 Citadel/Sindragosa.lua:
22:48.36RepoAdd back the unchained magic warning crap because our casters suck.
22:49.04TorhalClassic: This is from Slouken on October 27th, 2007...
22:49.09Torhal"Thanks, I've forwarded this to the engineer. We're aware of the fragility of the UI dropdown menus with regards to tainting, but fixing it involves a major rewrite of the dropdown system, and I don't think we'll have time for that in 2.3. It's definitely on our list though, and we'll keep this info for testing!"
22:49.22TorhalIt's still broken!
22:49.24TorhalHah
22:50.43Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1302 / (4 files in 2 directories): - Removed an unnecessary variable from the modules
22:51.44Ingela^sb|work, fuck lich king... the infest thing does like 7k damage
22:51.50GagorianI mostly wonder how they've managed to implement stuff in such a strange way that changing a seemingly unrelated thing breaks another
22:51.50Ingela^not enough to get a shield fully absorbed
22:52.15GagorianPlus how for example, items can bug out and not be disenchantable.. You'd think that'd be the default for an item
22:55.04GagorianMy damage/healing calculation code is probably less bugged than Blizzard's and I always have to write exceptions for stuff they've broken
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22:56.19TorhalGagorian: ou mean for stuff that is "now working as intended"?
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22:59.14durcynGagorian: someone's trying to keep themselves employed, it's very simple.
22:59.15GagorianTorhal: Amongst others yes
22:59.42arkanesit seems pretty clear that wow is really heavly script & data driven on the server side
22:59.49arkanesalso highly asynchronous
22:59.53Pneumatusand that's just the CMs
23:00.20arkanesso it's not surprising that there's lots of bugs, what does surprise me is that they do such a poor job of regression testing internally
23:00.38ThraeYes yes, let's just all say "EVE" is the one that bit from apple of knowledge and not "WoW"
23:01.13GagorianI've discovered tens if not hundreds of small bugs in the calculations here and there.. and I'm not even getting paid!
23:01.18arkanesstuff like the recent scourge strike and devestate problems make no sense to me
23:02.11arkanesGagorian: the fact that their class designers don't have to do those calculations seperately probably contributes to the problem
23:02.25GagorianWhat devastate problem btw?
23:02.26ThraeYou see, the problem with WoW's databases is that a) Slouken had no part in them, and b) It was probably the EQ guys
23:02.28arkanesI would be surprised if they don't have a UI where they can just plug stats in and get damage out
23:02.51arkanesGagorian: the 20% buff to devestate was intended to apply to both the weapon damage and the bonus damage from AP, apparently its only the first
23:03.16GagorianAs far as I understood it was inteded to be weapon damage portion only at first, at least according to the patch notes
23:03.26GagorianThey just decided to hotfix it to apply to the bonus part too
23:03.27Thraearkanes: Mistakes are made even with those tools
23:03.34arkanesGagorian: thats what the patch note said but was not the designer intent
23:03.41Gagorianah
23:03.42arkanesGagorian: the fact that it went in that way was a bug
23:03.49GagorianRetarded mistake then
23:03.52arkanesyeah
23:04.00GagorianI've had to fix it twice now
23:04.09arkanesThrae: right, but consistency is not what the class designer cares about there
23:04.13GagorianBut not nearly as bad as Conflagrate
23:04.17Gagorianit f'n changes every patch
23:04.25arkaneshe plugs the number in, sees a 10k shadow bolt, and doesn't care about what specific interactions give that number
23:04.26ThraeWell, you have to remember that the designers, publishers, programmers, and QA all fight with each other like some battlin' business units.
23:04.55arkanesthe outsider who reverse engineers all the interacting talents & buffs is who sees the subtle inconsistencies
23:05.18ThraeThe designers want to add one thing that the publishers don't want, the programmers say can't be done, and the QA says will cause bugs. Now to the same sentence, add in programmers/publishers/QA to that sentence (well, not QA, no one listens to them)
23:05.30GagorianThere shouldn't be a reason why the same talent is bugged on a few abilities but not others :)
23:05.46Gagorianlike Art of War is bugged on Judgement of Wisdom/Justice/Light, but works on the rest
23:05.55arkanesthat doesnt surprise me at all
23:06.19arkanesI suspect that each skill is written seperately and that they each need to include the talents that affect them
23:06.39GagorianThe issue is that Art of War double stacks on those abilities I listed
23:07.05durcynaren't judgements still technically two attacks?
23:07.07ArrowmasterClassarkanes: you mean like Shadow Embrace not effecting Curse of Doom for how many years?
23:07.14Primeraffecting
23:07.24ThraeThe design of how skills work is more open in Warcraft III, and I think WoW used a lot of WC3's code (and not just the graphics engine), so you can look to WC3
23:07.49GagorianArrowmasterClass: Probably still doesn't, at least before 3.3.2
23:08.46ArrowmasterClassthat stupid bug made CoA more dps than CoD for me at the beginning of 2.0
23:09.20GagorianCoD didn't even get Shadow Mastery for a long time
23:09.41GagorianNow that was stupid
23:09.49ArrowmasterClasser yeah Shadow Mastery is what i ment
23:10.04Gagorianoh yeah, it applies now :)
23:10.10GagorianShadow Embrace still doesn't
23:10.26ArrowmasterClassi dont remember what shadow embrace does anymore
23:10.36GagorianThe stacking debuff that increases dot dmg
23:10.55arkanesSOD is probably not a dot
23:11.02arkanesCOD, event
23:11.05Gagorianhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=32394
23:13.40GagorianWell yeah, it's technically not periodic damage but it has still most properties of a dot
23:13.50GagorianNo crits, no haste by default etc etc
23:13.53Ingela^speaking fo bugs pw:s glyph has been bugged since ulduar
23:14.06Ingela^and they have changed it back and forth numerous times :P
23:14.12GagorianPW:S Glyph is totally crack
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23:14.37GagorianTalents apply to it completely differently than to PW:S itself, even if you'd think it'd be a simple percentage..
23:14.55Ingela^yeah they really fucked it up
23:22.27harllikes the name of the add-on HandyNotes_Charon.
23:28.19sylvanaarTorhal: those things taint like mofos
23:29.57Torhalsylvanaar: Indeed :)
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23:39.28koaschtenhaha, we just downed sindragosa with a hilarious tactic
23:39.45koaschtencircle strafing
23:39.52koaschtenstatic fights is for teh noobs :X
23:40.05arkaneshow does circle strafing help?
23:40.23koaschtenit helps with baddies not knowing where to drop frost tombs in the last phase ;)
23:40.32koaschtenjust tell em to move in a circle 12y to the left
23:40.40arkaneshuh
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23:42.26koaschtentank boss, drop frost bomb, rotate boss 45°, have next bomb move out into the direction you turned sindragosa
23:42.37koaschtenit sounds stupid but is so fuckin fail safe its awesome
23:42.37ShadowedAgh, why does auto join keep breaking for wowace
23:42.55koaschtendefinition of breaking?
23:43.02koaschtenyou just dropped and rejoined in under a minute
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23:45.39arkaneskoaschten: you have few melee?
23:45.51koaschten7 i think
23:46.29arkanesif you've got people to fail to find the right spot for the tomb, how are they not getting tailed when you turn the boss :\
23:47.04koaschtenthey are killing the tomb when the boss is turned :D
23:47.24koaschtenits the definition of failsafe
23:47.46koaschtenand we did that with a minute left on the timer
23:50.42Shadowedkoaschten: doesn't auto join
23:50.50Shadowedhappens on another computer on a fresh start too
23:50.59ShadowedI assume it has the registered only flag on or something
23:51.01koaschtenprobably because you need to be authed before you can join?
23:51.28koaschtenjust write a script snippet to auth and then join? ;)
23:51.43koaschtenor use something like a premade script setting like nnscript for mIRC or something
23:53.42Shadowedbut that takes work, complaining doesn't :(
23:59.11arkanesirssi supports auth
23:59.17arkanesI'm sure other clients do too
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