IRC log for #wowace on 20100129

00:00.27Megalon50% to get a fol-heal which indicates what is used
00:01.35yoshimoi have told you my spellpower what in the logfile should i look for?
00:02.17Megalon2437 was the spellpower?
00:02.23Megalonnon critical heals
00:02.24Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7117 Plugins/Tips.lua: Oops, here you go Pneumatus.
00:02.25Megalonwhich are either
00:02.30Megalon< 3045
00:02.31Megalonor
00:02.38Megalon> 3120
00:02.53yoshimoflash of light?
00:02.58Megalonyes
00:05.30yoshimothey are all between 5600 and 5700 between aura applied and removed, a few of them critical for around 8500
00:06.48Megalonhm
00:06.53Megalonoh, what was the factor
00:06.57Megalonspellpower => healing? :x
00:07.15MegalonI'm so used to damage spells from simulationcraft :|
00:08.17Megalonhm
00:08.25Megalonwell, I probably fail at paladin mechanics ;)
00:08.32Fiskerhaxes Megalon
00:08.42yoshimodidnt gagorian say, shadowed could do the math?
00:08.44MegalonfirewollZ
00:10.52Fiskerhey Megalon
00:10.54Fiskerwanna make out?
00:11.09MegalonfirewollZ even moar
00:11.55Repo10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.11-7-gd9894fa embeds.xml: [+1 commit] actually move AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets below LibSharedMedia in embeds.xml
00:13.20yoshimowell, im off as well now, if its still not clear , ill be back, in a few hours
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00:16.29Repo10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.11-8-g4c36b21 CHANGELOG.txt: [+1 commit] udpate changelog
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00:23.52Repo10charscanner: 03kunda * r34 / (5 files in 1 directory):
00:23.54Repofix: sort by class is now sorted by localized classnames instead of english classnames
00:23.55Repochange: mainrole texture (same as LFGRole) instead of text strings
00:24.00Ingela^is it possible to revert to a earlier revision in curse client
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00:27.56Repo10parrot: 03profalbert 04v1.10.12 * 6d56d7b /: [new tag] tag as v1.10.12
00:32.35Repo10tomquest2: 03gagou * r290 / (2 files in 2 directories): fix tickets 118, 120, 121, 122, 123 and few other bugs
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00:36.34Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7118 Plugins/Bars.lua:
00:36.36RepoImplement disable click action and fix report to also work in battlegrounds.
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00:41.13Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7119 Plugins (2 files in 1 directory):
00:41.15Repo'Implement' the superemp action, depends on the emphasize module actually being implemented. Just missing the menu action and localizations.
00:45.08koaschtenIngela^ not that i know off, you would have to go to the addons page on curseforge or wowace and grab the older version by hand
00:45.20Shadowedback
00:45.29Shadowedbah now yoshimo left
00:45.36Ingela^yeap, i did that but just asked if it was possible to do it with curse
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00:58.07Stanzillashows Fisker his Schnitzel
01:03.42Dessathat sounds so wrong
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01:07.48cralorlol
01:08.26cralorugh how do i hide this damn totem timer background o_O
01:08.55cralorPitbull...
01:10.08Kilroough...WTB Curse module for Minion...
01:11.28cralorI hope I am not disturbing/disrupting you, Shefki, but do you know how to hide the totem timer background in PitBull?
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01:56.51Torhalpompy: Stop eating puppies.
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02:03.19vhaarrjesus christ, 14 hours to compile openjdk 64bit
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02:21.56arkanes1% wipe on last attempt at blood queen
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03:44.22KriLL3arkanes: your tank's dps is too low clearly
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04:34.14Repo10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.6.2-29-g2b69bb9 / (4 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Added basics for reporting to chat, this does not work yet
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04:46.49Funkeh`fuck
04:47.00Funkeh`BF: Bad Company 2 uses punkbuster
04:47.04Funkeh`<PROTECTED>
04:47.50Funkeh`I was so glad that CoD moved over to VAC, why don't they do the same :((
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06:23.52Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * beta3-3-gf712450 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
06:23.54Repof712450: Byte values above 1024 will now be displayed using the IEC binary unit symbols.
06:23.55Repoccdcb51: Added the prefix for Antiarc's MarySue (lol) AddOn, and cleaned up some tab formatting.
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06:35.20orionshockwhat is " Received a CTCP VERSION GNAA > j00 from supqstavm (to #wowace) " supposed to mean ?
06:35.54Nechckn_ATSSThat is the spammer crap
06:36.10Nechckn_ATSSwhy all the folks are being d/c for flooding atm.
06:36.56Nechckn_ATSSSorry.. unless you knew all of that and were just laughing at them.
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06:37.07orionshocki did not
06:37.09Nechckn_ATSSis rather tired, so mumbley.
06:37.30orionshockthere is like 12 of them in the channel log for me @ ~ 19:39
06:38.45Nechckn_ATSSthe injection attacks that have been plagueing freenode - now they are getting sneakier.
06:39.08Nechckn_ATSSHitting up those with ctcp clients that don't block
06:39.14orionshockis it a client vulnerability ?
06:40.07Nechckn_ATSSHrm... I guess you could look at it that way.  If your client does not allow you to ignore/block such requests, is my limited understanding.
06:40.21Nechckn_ATSSOr.. if you don't have the option set, if it exists.
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06:41.14orionshocki use XChat, & tbh, have no clue if this is a problem for me
06:44.29Nechckn_ATSSHrm.. I dunno.
06:45.03ShefkiThe point of that is to try and flood the network.
06:45.13ShefkiTHey send CTCP VERSION request to large populated channels.
06:45.23ShefkiClients respond and create a lot of traffic.
06:45.27Nechckn_ATSSShefki  does Xchat respond?
06:45.29ShefkiIt's a traffic multiplication attack.
06:45.31ShefkiYes.
06:45.33Nechckn_ATSSkk
06:45.43ShefkiYou should be responding to CTCP VERSION.  freenode does it everytime you log on.
06:45.50ShefkiWhich is part of the problem.
06:48.04quiescensI blame shefki
06:49.04nevcairielYou don't have to respond to the ctcp version request on connect
06:49.10nevcairielits not like freenode kicks you if you dont
06:49.16nevcairieli just ignore all ctcp
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06:50.17Shefkinevcairiel: It's part of their malicious user detection stuff.  They'd really prefer that you would respond to it.
06:50.31nevcairielI'm sure due to the current situation they wouldnt
06:51.34nevcairielfreenode just needs a new channel mode that blocks channel-wide ctcps like quakenet has
06:51.39nevcairielwonder if seven has that
06:51.55ShefkiGood question.
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06:54.24nevcairieldoesnt look like it
06:54.58Nechckn_ATSSor shiibot!!  =)
06:56.24nevcairieloh, they do
06:56.27nevcairielits just not documented
06:56.43nevcairielhttp://dev.freenode.net/ircd-seven/changeset/31f7b52a2425c024ab137c9417ab0dea7503f0b1 ^
06:57.39quiescensnothing is ever documented
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06:58.26nevcairielhooray for reading changesets
06:59.38Repo10travelagent: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.0-1.0.3 TravelAgent.lua: [+1 commit] Clicking on the little plus/minus icon or the zone/instance name is no longer necessary - clicking anywhere on its line will work.
06:59.45Repo10travelagent: 03Torhal 043.3.0-1.0.3 * 0fccc46 /: [new tag] Tagging as 3.3.0-1.0.3
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07:06.37profalbertwtf is "Deus Vox"?
07:06.50Torhalprofalbert: Raid encounter AddOn
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07:10.11profalbertah, is it any good? looks like it aims at replacing bigwigs
07:10.21TorhalNever tried it
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07:11.18orionshockanyone know if GetPartyAssignment("Main Tank") will return a list of names ??
07:11.52Torhalorionshock: It does not
07:11.56Torhalorionshock: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPartyAssignment
07:12.14nevcairielit works like GetPartyAssignment("MAINTANK", "raid1")
07:12.20nevcairieljust to check *if* someone is that
07:12.22nevcairielnot who is that
07:13.35Repo10guilder: 03onaforeignshore * r145 / (8 files in 5 directories): Added tag 2.1.20 for changeset ad6080b1038f
07:13.37Repofixed missing people in module "Crowd Control"
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07:21.29Repo10arl: 03pompachomp * r2811 Datamine.lua: Added a bunch of the ICC patterns to the SPELL_ITEM table.
07:21.31RepoAdded two item IDs to the DO_NOT_SCAN table.
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07:32.51Shefkinevcairiel: Actually that's not true since 2.1.0
07:33.07Shefkinevcairiel: You can query the main tank list with just GetPartyAssignment("MAINTANK")
07:33.20ShefkiThere are also unit ids for maintanks and mainassist
07:33.31Shefkimaintank1, maintank2, etc...
07:33.43ShefkiAnd mainassist1, mainassist2, etc...
07:34.44Repo10castyeller2: 03Adirelle * r92 Localization.lua: Locales updated.
07:34.57Repo10castyeller2: 03Adirelle 04v1.1-beta-3 * r93 : Tagging as v1.1-beta-3
07:36.14nevcairielits not documented on the two API pages i know, so it cannot be true :d
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07:37.06ShefkiActually now that I think about it I don't remember if those unit ids still work.
07:37.24ShefkiThey were in for a while.  Can't remember if they pulled them or not.
07:38.04ShefkiAnyway the joys of having to reverse engineer our documentation.
07:38.22nevcairieleven blizzard fully iterates the roster and doesnt use a list thats supposedly being returned by that function for role-type headers
07:40.04Shefkinevcairiel: Because the Blizzard code was written before that was added.
07:40.21nevcairielblizzard doesnt add stuff unless they want it for their code
07:40.24ShefkiAnd there's really no reason to change it.
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07:40.52nevcairieldo you actually use that somewhere?
07:41.05ShefkiNo I just remember figring out that it worked.
07:41.47ShefkiBecause I wasn't clear on how the API worked so I played around with it.
07:42.03nevcairielIt just doesnt seem like blizzard to have a function that returns completly different things
07:42.39nevcairieltoo bad i dont have a raid around :d
07:43.02ShefkiGetItemFamily() is one of my favorite contextual returns.
07:43.29ShefkiIf the item you do it on is a container it'll return a bitflag specifying the type of items that can go in the container.
07:43.47ShefkiAny other item will return the bitflag for the type of containers they can go in.
07:44.16ShefkiSo you have to indepdently check if the container is a bag since the containers themselves can only go in general bag slots.
07:44.32nevcairielwell its at least the same type of return, just with another meaning :d
07:44.35Shefkis/container is a bag/item is a container/
07:45.03ShefkiThere's another one someplace that returns a table sometimes or a single value sometimes I just can't think of it.
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07:48.11Shefkihttp://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/frantic_steve_jobs_stays_up
07:48.13Shefkilol
07:48.52ShefkiThe sad thing is 9 iphones would be more capable, they could run 9 apps at once.
07:49.21nevcairielhaha yea
07:49.44nevcairielI will never get the design decision that made them completly remove multi tasking
07:50.02ShefkiIt makes sense on a phone.  With limited CPU resources.
07:50.20nevcairielother phones have no issues
07:50.26ShefkiPalm had the same limitations forever.
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07:51.18nevcairielandroid will start killing apps if it runs low on resources, but it doesnt force-close your browser just because you want to respond to a SMS
07:51.22Shefkinevcairiel: It's also a battery issue.
07:51.55ShefkiI'm not sure how the iphone deals with it.  But on Palm it saves the state of the app and when you go back to it it restores it.
07:51.58nevcairielAnd how did that work out for the iPhone?
07:52.06ShefkiSo the app doesn't stay running but it doesn't really show up.
07:52.12nevcairielIt still only comes with 2 battery states .. "empty" and "charging"
07:52.20Shefki*shrug* I don't have one.
07:52.48ShefkiIt does seem like an old limitation.
07:53.15nevcairielI bet they took some shortcuts in the OS due to it, and can't simply flip a switch to allow it now :d
07:53.18ShefkiBut I do think they have some legitimate technical reasons for wanting it.  Though I also think it sucks from a user perspective.
07:53.30ShefkiOhh I'm sure the did.
07:54.01Fiskergentleshefki
07:54.21ShefkiBut I won't buy an iPhone if for no other reason than the whole appstore BS.
07:54.30ShefkiI shouldn't have to break into my own damn device.
07:55.14nevcairielAll smartphones have certain limitations, though. Although the iPhone is the most extreme
07:56.48nevcairielI simply wouldn't buy a iPhone due to their BS carrier-locks, or the really extreme price for an unlocked phone
07:57.03ShefkiI have a Treo 680.  I'll probably get an android based phone when I decide to get a new phone.
07:57.12nevcairiel800€ for an unlocked iphone? i can get 2 of my android for that price
07:57.33nevcairielor switch to t-mobile for a carrier, what i really don't want to =P
07:58.03ShefkiI have AT&T with a fully unlocked phone.
07:58.22ShefkiI've never really had any issues with them and I'e had them for years.  Long before the iPhone came along.
07:58.22Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * beta3-4-g677de95 Spamalyzer.lua: [+1 commit] If a user changes the default UI's channel colors, Spamalyzer will do the same.
07:58.36ShefkiBt they have really good coverage in this area compared to other carriers.  *shrug*
07:58.57nevcairielI don't know much about US carriers anyway
07:59.11nevcairieli got my phone from my carrier as well, but its still a default unlocked retail phone
07:59.15nevcairielno brandings, no nothing
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08:00.13nevcairieldidnt even come with a carrier-specific wallpaper :d
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08:03.23TorhalIt's sad that I have to disable Curse comments due to spammers (or, rather, the Curse staff's inability to filter them out)
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08:10.12ShadowedI just disabled the Curse comments cause they are terrible to work with
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08:10.16Shadowedeasier to tell people to use tickets/wowace
08:10.28nevcairielI still have them enabled and just ignore them
08:10.30ShadowedSpam's gotten better in the past month or so, not fixed but better
08:10.32nevcairiellet users help themself in there
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08:14.44LysitheaShefki did you work any further on that honor thingy?
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08:26.20Fiskerandroid has no limits nevcairiel!
08:26.35Fiskersings "Push is to the limit"
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09:14.05orionshockah.. finally
09:14.29orionshockso im working on this age old question of "How do i make MD target the tank of the group im in automatically"
09:14.38orionshocki think i have a solution finally
09:14.41Nechckn_ATSSGet that body out of your trunk and into the swamp?
09:15.33Kuosithere's should be a call func for tank role?
09:15.57orionshockyes, UnitGroupRolesAssigned, GetPartyAssignment (LFD / Raid )
09:16.12orionshockbut it's a matter of automagically targeting the player, and that's interesting to do
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09:35.55Repo10orbscreamer: 03Shefki 07master * 4b5d52f / (2 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit
09:36.54Repo10orbscreamer: 03Shefki 04v0.1 * af7226a /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.1
09:39.20Wobinorionshock, have it set the focus
09:39.32orionshockWobin, then it uses your focus
09:39.43Wobinmost hunters use the focus for their md macros anyway
09:40.07mitch0anyone using awesomewm? apparently it's configured/scripted in lua
09:40.29orionshockWobin, but i like magic
09:40.44Wobinmitch0, eh?
09:40.54Wobin@info orbscreamer
09:41.08Wobin@project orbscreamer
09:41.11RepoWobin: http://www.wowace.com/addons/orbscreamer/. OrbScreamer. Game: WoW. Status: Needs approval. Shefki (Manager/Author). Updated: 8 minutes ago
09:41.37mitch0wobin: http://awesome.naquadah.org/
09:41.42nevcairielanother specific failbot addon? =P
09:42.07ShefkiIt's not really a failbot because it's not something you'll care about all the time.
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09:42.50ShefkiThe most likely person to fail is the tank tanking the caster Prince and most likely they can survive a 25k+ hit.
09:43.20RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/orbscreamer/. OrbScreamer. Shefki (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
09:43.29TorhalActually, it's more than a fail AddOn
09:44.57ShefkiI've been writing several of these one off addons for the Icecrown achievements because I hate the "Did we do it right.  Ahh crap guess not we didn't get it."
09:49.58yoshimoshadowed, Gagorian , do you still need to work out the 2p t10 bonus ?
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09:52.15Repo10inoculationcheck: 03Shefki 07master * v0.1 / (2 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Initial Commit.
09:52.24Repo10inoculationcheck: 03Shefki 04v0.1 * 9cbe2c7 /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.1
09:53.00yoshimoshefki, why do you create one addon per achievement and not one for all?
09:53.16Shefkiyoshimo: Becuase I don't want all of them loaded.
09:53.22ShefkiI only turn on the one I want.
09:53.32yoshimovalid reason
09:53.46ShefkiThey really aren't something you'll probably run every week.
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09:53.52Wobinunless you're hardcore and going for multiple achievements at once =)
09:53.55ShefkiUnless you're doing the achievement they're pointless.
09:54.06ShefkiWobin: Different bosses.
09:54.40Kalrothpull all the bosses at once then
09:54.59Shefkiyoshimo: That said I'll probably just shove the Sindragosa achievement into InoculationCheck addon since I'm also lazy and the code would be nearly identical.
09:55.43yoshimohelp me, what is the sindragosa achievement about?
09:55.59Fiskerwhat the fuck is it Shefki ?
09:56.30Shefki"Defeat Sindragosa in 10-player mode without any member of your raid receiving more than 4 stacks of Mystic Buffet. "
09:56.47Wobinnomnomnom
09:56.54Fiskerbesides
09:57.02Fiskerbigwigs shouuld have that shit built in
09:57.06Fiskeramirite vhaarr?
09:57.15ShefkiI don't use BigWigs anymore.
09:57.42Fiskerit's ok as long as you don't use anything else
09:57.52ShefkiI use DXE now.
09:58.00FiskerDXE?
09:58.00TorhalFisker: He uses The Force.
09:58.04ShefkiMostly because the range check is fucking amazing.
09:58.31Fisker@project DXE
09:58.31RepoFisker: No project found that matches 'dxe'
09:58.34Fiskerfu u
09:58.35Shefki@project dues-vox-encounters
09:58.36RepoShefki: No project found that matches 'dues-vox-encounters'
09:58.39Fiskerowned
09:58.46Shefki@project deus-vox-encounters
09:58.47RepoShefki: http://www.wowace.com/addons/deus-vox-encounters/. Deus Vox Encounters. Game: WoW. kollektiv (Manager/Author), korruna (Author), Fearendon (Translator), Pettigrow (Translator), Sockfolder (Former author). Updated: 2 days ago. Tickets: 9/39
09:58.54yoshimoit is but according to mysticalos their mapsizes are off by 50-100 pixel sometimes
09:59.10Shefkiyoshimo: Yeah it's not perfect but it's really nice.
09:59.34ShefkiAnd with every bloody boss having the need to spread out practically anymore.
09:59.56nevcairielwhat does it do? use coordinates for accurate ranges?
10:00.00yoshimoindeed it is, i just installed dbm for rangechecks because they recalculated all mapsizes and it is awesome^^
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10:00.12yoshimonevcairiel, they do
10:00.32Shefkinevcairiel: Uses the minimap icons.
10:00.55mitch0shefki: last I checked DXE used GetPlayerMapPosition()
10:01.06nevcairielI dont think you can actually access any information on the minimap
10:01.23Shefkierr yeah map position.  Not minimap.
10:01.36ShefkiNow that there are raid maps.
10:02.13yoshimomappositions of players together with the information how big the area is , some math and voila, you got the range between them^^
10:02.58ShefkiIt sucked on BQL when it didn't have the info for the range check the first night.
10:03.02yoshimoi sometimes think blizz bugged lanathels room for exactly that reason^^
10:03.26ShefkiI don't think enough people use DXE at this point for them to care.
10:03.48nevcairielits the same sort of calcs we've been using for years on the outside maps for gathering etc, its nothing new, fwiw
10:03.58yoshimodbm has the same function shefki^^
10:04.29Shefkinevcairiel: Well yeah, but it's newer to the boss mods.
10:04.38nevcairieldbm rarely invents new functions, they usually just combine whatever other addons invent :d
10:04.48Shefkiyoshimo: When did DBM get that, last I heard they were still doing the same as what BigWigs did.
10:05.20yoshimo4.40 i think
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10:06.10yoshimoalthough i read dxes comment on calculating mapsizes and that dbm does it wrong, but i dont know enough math
10:06.13ShefkiAhh 2 days ago.
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10:06.43yoshimohttp://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=296883&postcount=210
10:07.00[Ammo]all that stuff is just fluff, apply brain = win
10:07.34Fiskerwhat's the timer for Shefki ?
10:08.07yoshimoi still would like to know whats wrong about the method of measuring it
10:08.09Shefki[Ammo]: Fair enough.  But given that Blizzard has been fond of making us spread out in small rooms that we can barely fit in to be spread for the debuff, has kinda forced the need for range checks to help.
10:08.16ShefkiFisker: What timer?
10:08.43Fiskeron the panel
10:09.06nevcairieleh, why did DBM actually have to recalculate stuff? you can get zone sizes from the .dbc files, that pretty much map the coordinate translation perfectly
10:09.10quiescensthe solution is to only do 10 person raids
10:09.29yoshimonevcairiel, probably they dont know that you can, or how to do it?
10:09.30[Ammo]nevcairiel: because if they don't do that they'd be copying the code 100%
10:09.43[Ammo]now they can at least say they didn't copy it verbatim :p
10:09.54nevcairielare they still not simply admiting to that?
10:10.00koaschten_oh man... weather is totally stupid over here
10:10.06koaschten_and people driving even more so
10:10.23nevcairielkoaschten_: keep the stupid weather, i dont want it! send it in fiskers direction!
10:10.24koaschten_wednesday snow, thursday snow -> rain, today snow again...
10:10.30[Ammo]nevcairiel: don't really care what they do actually :)
10:10.36yoshimothe entry in their files tells you that its copied data from dxe :P
10:10.47nevcairielDBM has been copying for ever
10:10.48ShefkiFisker: I have no idea what you're talking about.
10:11.07koaschten_i actually missed a mail sent to all saying on thursday to "stay home" due to black ice...
10:11.19Shefkinevcairiel: TO a certain degree I don't see why it matters if they're copying facts about the game.
10:11.20nevcairielin BC they even "accidentally" copied one of bigwigs "fun" announces
10:11.24koaschten_must have _slipped_ past me ;)
10:11.45Shefkifun announces?
10:11.52Fiskerthen you don't use it Shefki
10:11.56WobinTentacle party incoming!
10:11.58nevcairielbigwigs sometimes has some funny wordings in their announces :P
10:12.02[Ammo]on the old naxx 40 man they copied the very flawed flight check for sapphiron
10:12.03ShefkiDon't use what?
10:12.27ShefkiYou mean the panel in DXE?
10:12.35ShefkiThe timer is how long the fight has been going.
10:12.42nevcairieldidnt we have a purl factoid about tentacle rape partys
10:12.44nevcairiel~tentacle
10:12.45purlsomebody said tentacle was the reason for dogel's existance
10:12.50nevcairiel~cthun
10:12.51purl*** Incoming tentacle rape party! ~10 seconds! ***
10:12.58koaschten_haha
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10:13.47nevcairielthat was good times
10:13.59Fiskerwhat's the bar warning anchor for?
10:14.07FiskerHaven't been able to find an encounter that uses it yet :o
10:14.21Shefki*shrug*
10:14.27BrunersFisker: you wouldn't
10:14.33Kalrothhaaaaa
10:14.39ShefkiI didn't really feel the need to move stuff around much.
10:15.12Fiskeri don't like all of it stuff in the middle :P
10:15.51ShefkiI did move the range check further up.
10:16.28Kalrothare you a paladin fisker
10:16.43Kalrothif so, then you dont need to look at the screen
10:17.06Kalrothjust roll drool on keyboard every minute and press need on all loot that drops
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10:21.53Fiskerah
10:22.24Fiskerit's just a replacement anchor if you don't want them to appear where raid warnings etc. appears
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10:24.23Repo10stackings: 03profalbert 07master * 98f4e72 Core.lua: [+1 commit] update bars on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD for proper Spell-icons
10:31.59orionshockanyone know what this "["titleCol"] = 16744448," entry is in Cart2's Notes DB ?
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10:32.33orionshock@project cartographer2
10:32.35Repoorionshock: No project found that matches 'cartographer2'
10:32.38orionshock@project cartographer-2
10:32.38Repoorionshock: No project found that matches 'cartographer-2'
10:32.43nevcairielwithout a number
10:33.00yoshimoisnt carto kinda dead now? ;)
10:33.30nevcairielhe wants to write a converter from carto notes to handynotes
10:33.39nevcairielso people can move on
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10:34.28yoshimoah ok, sry
10:35.55TorhalBut they won't move on, because Cart2 "has everything!"
10:36.19nevcairielmost people that i saw posting usually are like "but my 2 gazillion map noootes"
10:37.15yoshimoeven if a patch breaks it, someone will come up with a dirty fix and make it usable again
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10:38.51TorhalIt's usually the "it has everything" argument or the "why should I run 5 addons to do what this ONE did?!?" argument.
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10:39.53Shefkiyoshimo: I'm letting rock die now so next time it breaks I'm not fixing it.  I've given people plenty of time to get off it.
10:40.00nevcairielI really laughed at that guy driving the latest "fix for cartographer" thread
10:40.16nevcairielapparently his "fix" is randomly commenting out lines in cartographer until it works again
10:40.27Wobinrofl
10:40.33Repo10drdata-1-0: 03Adirelle 07master * r2.1-2-g4fbf1ae / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
10:40.35Repo4fbf1ae: TOC bump.
10:40.36Repob26bf95: Removed Improved Fire Totem random stun, which does not exist anymore.
10:41.01nevcairielits true :(
10:41.07Torhal"until the errors went away"
10:41.33Repo10stackings: 03profalbert 07master * 685aef5 Core.lua: [+1 commit] initialize bars at PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD rather than ADDON_LOADED
10:41.37yoshimothere is no error shown-> it works? ;)
10:41.45nevcairielI don't have a clue about the code there - I just tried several things until the errors went away. There was a lot of "--" involved
10:41.58nevcairielquote ^
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10:41.59ShefkiWell if you want to blame someone blame ckknight for not maintaining any of his addons.  The ones that survive someone else ends up taking on.
10:42.07nevcairielwe're far beyond blaming ckk for that
10:42.13Wobinnevcairiel,  you should have told him to put --[[ at the beginning of the file and --]] at the end for the -real- fix
10:42.14nevcairielwe tried that for the last years, wasnt much fun anymore
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10:42.34nevcairielluckily he is too busy these days to push out a new addon every month :P
10:42.53Adirelle|workShadowed, I just pushed a minor change to DRData-1.0, you might want to check it
10:43.16GagorianShadowed: ping
10:44.07Gagorianyoshimo: I looked at the values you posted last night, they're slightly too high to make sense. Did you buy any chane have imp. devotion aura or seal of light active?
10:44.22Gagorians/did you buy any chane/did you by any chance/
10:44.56GagorianMy fingers are still frozen it seems, -30 wind chill outside
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10:45.09nevcairiel~weather edhi
10:45.22nevcairielhm its relatively warm today
10:46.02GagorianYeah you don't even need long johns at that temperature
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10:46.54Wobin~weather yssy
10:47.04Wobinnoice
10:47.15nevcairiel~weather eddh
10:47.25yoshimoi had improved concentration aura and no seal active
10:47.35nevcairieleven warmer there
10:47.38nevcairielweird!
10:47.38koaschten_make it stop :(
10:47.39koaschten_http://i48.tinypic.com/29cpf60.jpg
10:48.14nevcairiel~weather edxf
10:48.21nevcairielhuh
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10:48.52Gagorianyoshimo: Since calculating 1.05*1.05*1.12*1.35(788+1.009*2437) is a bit low I'm wondering if it's possible you had any other effects
10:48.53Shefki~weather 4W0
10:48.55nevcairiel~weather 10031
10:49.04nevcairieli guess it only likes those codes
10:49.05Gagorianlua> print(1.05*1.05*1.12*1.35(788+1.009*2437))
10:49.05lua_botGagorian: luabot:1: ')' expected near '('
10:49.09Gagorianlua> print(1.05*1.05*1.12*1.35(788+1.009*2437)))
10:49.10lua_botGagorian: luabot:1: ')' expected near '('
10:49.19Gagorianlua> print(1.05*1.05*1.12*1.35*(788+1.009*2437))
10:49.19lua_botGagorian: 5412.57237234
10:49.20ShefkiBahhh it wants ICAO and all it has is an FAA code.
10:49.37nevcairielflensburg only has a WMO code apparently, no ICAO
10:50.14Gagorianlua> print(1.05*1.05*1.12*1.35*(883+1.009*2437))
10:50.15lua_botGagorian: 5570.93547234
10:51.47nevcairielWobin: seems rather cold for sydney .. or wait, its night, isnt it? =P
10:52.11Wobintis
10:52.18koaschten_~weather ETNS
10:52.28koaschten_thats ~10km from here
10:52.43nevcairielnot much colder then here
10:52.47koaschten_than
10:52.50nevcairieljust keep your snow
10:53.50koaschten_haha that village with 500 ppl 1km from my parents got listed on that page -.-
10:53.54koaschten_~weather 10130
10:54.00nevcairielthose codes dont work
10:54.03nevcairielonly the 4 letter things
10:54.05koaschten_hmpf
10:54.07Gagorian~weather EFTU
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10:54.42Gagorian~weather EFKE
10:54.48Shefki~weather KRNT
10:54.49koaschten_yeah seems like 4 letter ones are mostly army bases and airports
10:55.07ShefkiThat's as close as I can get and that's bloody far away.
10:55.10nevcairielthe ICAO codes are usually just for airports
10:55.15Gagorian~weather EFIV
10:55.40nevcairielinternational civil aviation organisation or something
10:55.44Shefkinevcairiel: Yeah.  There's an airport closer but it has no ICAO code.
10:55.56Shefki~weather KBFI
10:56.25nevcairielheh yeah the air fields of plane manufactorers are on there too
10:56.38nevcairielEDHI is the air field of Airbus in Hamburg
10:56.42nevcairielEDDH is the public airport
10:56.47ShefkiBoeing Field is no piddly airport.
10:57.33ShefkiUsed to be the main airport for Seattle till they built SeaTac.
10:57.37nevcairielah
10:57.41nevcairieljust has the name, then
10:57.55ShefkiRight.
10:58.08ShefkiIt's named in honor of William E Boeing.
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10:58.52ShefkiIt's actually owned by the county, except for a brief period during WWII when the federal government owned it.
10:59.23Torhal~weather KSDF
10:59.37Adirelle|workdoes anyone have some clue about the difference between UnitIsCharmed and UnitIsPossessed ?
10:59.43nevcairielI was just thinking, because like i said it lists the air field of the main Airbus area here as well
10:59.44ShefkiBut Boeing does all their test flights and most of the final assembly of the 737's there.  Plus any weird modifications are usually done there.
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11:00.05nevcairielwhich granted isnt small, since the A3XX can land there :d
11:00.05TorhalAh, here's the correct one where I am:
11:00.11Torhal~weather KLOU
11:00.15Shefkinevcairiel: *nod*
11:00.40ShefkiTorhal: Brrr
11:01.33rbarreiros~weather LPPR
11:01.57rbarreirosit's cold :S
11:02.04nevcairielpff, 8 C isnt cold
11:02.14rbarreiroshere it is
11:02.21Shefkinevcairiel: His -13 C is.
11:02.27Shefkinevcairiel: It's 8 F not 8 C
11:02.34rbarreirosnah
11:02.39rbarreiros8º C
11:02.43nevcairielTorhal: is 8 F
11:02.45ShefkiOhh in Portugal
11:02.53rbarreiros46F
11:02.54nevcairielwhich we had last week
11:02.59nevcairieli know how f'ing cold that is
11:03.02Shefki~weather KSEA
11:03.10rbarreirosaverage temp here is 20º C nev
11:03.16rbarreiros8 is COLD
11:03.27nevcairiel8 is still t-shirt weather, imho
11:03.46Gagorian~weather EFET
11:03.57nevcairielnow thats cold
11:04.01Shefki~weather KFOE
11:05.05Shefki~weather NZPG
11:05.29nevcairielwelcome to "Station name not available", have a good stay!
11:05.35Shefki~weather NZIR
11:05.47nevcairielits rather warm there
11:05.53ShefkiIt's summe.
11:05.55Shefkisummer.
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11:06.06nevcairieltrue
11:06.09rbarreirosmeh power surge
11:06.23ShefkiThe station name not available is Pegasus field.
11:06.34ShefkiWhich serves McMurdo station in the winter.
11:06.43ShefkiNZIR is the summer field.
11:06.50rbarreirosas I was saying, 8º  here is time for lots of clothes, sweaters coats etc
11:07.22Gagorianlua> print(1.04*1.05*1.05*1.12*1.35*(788+1.009*2437) .. "-" .. 1.04*1.05*1.05*1.12*1.35*(883+1.009*2437))
11:07.22lua_botGagorian: 5629.0752672336-5793.7728912336
11:07.27nevcairielsends a load of snow to rbarreiros
11:07.37rbarreirosrun away in panic
11:07.47[Ammo]~weather twente airport
11:07.53[Ammo]hmm
11:08.03nevcairielyou have to lookup the code :d
11:08.08Shefki~weather NZWD
11:08.37nevcairiel~wether ehtw
11:08.41[Ammo]yeah
11:08.45[Ammo]just found that :p
11:08.46nevcairiel~weather ehtw
11:09.03ShefkiAnd that's the other summer field down there.
11:09.47nevcairielwtf, that twenthe data is from 2008
11:09.52nevcairielthey stopped having weather
11:09.55[Ammo]they closed the airport :)
11:10.01nevcairielheh
11:10.04yoshimomy favourite linux mirror^^
11:10.12[Ammo]it's actually .8 degrees C here
11:10.20[Ammo]with watery snow
11:10.33nevcairielShefki: that antartica data is also from 2009
11:10.51Shefkinevcairiel: Some of those fields aren't used this time of year.
11:11.03nevcairielbut its summer :d
11:11.55nevcairielbah now it started snowing here too
11:12.15nevcairieland those big snow flakes too
11:12.17nevcairieldamn
11:13.08Shefki~weather FJDG
11:13.29kandarz~weather KUIL
11:14.02kandarzI don't live there, but I can always count on the weather in Forks, WA to suck to make me feel better
11:14.10nevcairiellol
11:14.21kandarzhttp://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Forks&state=WA&site=SEW&textField1=47.9506&textField2=-124.384&e=0
11:14.32kandarzjust look at the Detailed 7-day forecast
11:14.36[Ammo]hehe
11:14.38[Ammo]rain rain and more rain
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11:14.49ShefkiWTH Quillayute has a ICAO code but Bandera doesn't.
11:14.53ShefkiThat's nonsense.
11:15.18kandarzAnd where is Bandera?
11:15.26ShefkiBandera
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11:15.57ShefkiSnoqualmie Valley area.
11:16.01kandarzI see Chicago, and Texas
11:16.26kandarzBandera County Texas
11:16.41kandarzBandera have an airport?
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11:16.47koaschten_pfff ... news are airing a report from a chocolate exhibition in china... terracota army of chocolate, chinese wall made of chocolate.... what a waste, chines average 100g of chocolate per person
11:16.50Shefki~weather KNUW
11:16.50koaschten_.... A YEAR
11:18.03Repo10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r205 / (27 files in 2 directories):  (Message trimmed by 19 lines)
11:18.05Repo*3.02.30 (29-JAN-2010) BETA*
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11:18.29yoshimokoaschten_ , i eat more than that in 2 days^^
11:18.49koaschten_i average 1pound M&Ms a week ;)
11:18.50Shefki~weather KNRA
11:19.09ShefkiThat is a ICAO code you stupid thing.
11:19.26koaschten_oh wow, nevcairiel did you see this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp7HVU-s7aI
11:19.32SunTsuyoshimo: more than 100g or more than the terracotta army in chocolate? :>
11:19.35ShefkiFun airport...  It's specifically setup for the US Navy to practice carrier landings.
11:19.56yoshimomore than 100g, i dont know the wight of that army ;)
11:20.49Gagorian~weather UERP
11:20.57GagorianHaha.
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11:21.17GagorianI bet they're enjoying the cold
11:21.24yoshimo-60..... i never complain about 0 degrees anymore...
11:21.37nevcairielkoaschten_: wtf, thats just terrible
11:22.03yoshimohow low must the temperature get until school is cancelled?^^
11:22.20rbarreirosin soviet russia temperature is canceled
11:23.27GagorianI think in Finland it's about -40C before the schools are closed
11:24.02Shefki~weather KVBG
11:24.03SunTsuthis winter it was colder outside than in my fridge and was approaching the temperature in my deep freezer. It really gave me that icecrown feeling, just no Arthas anywhere
11:24.37nevcairielisnt a fridge usually just about 7C?
11:24.45vhaarr4-5
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11:24.56SunTsunevcairiel: I put mine on 2C
11:25.03nevcairieleven with 4-5, its nearly every winter below that :D
11:25.21nevcairielalthough the extreme temperatures of -30C are new this year
11:25.24SunTsudeep freezer is at -18C, though
11:25.25nevcairielfor germany, at least
11:25.25Shefki~weather KHMV
11:25.48GagorianThe ideal fridge temp is just so high that stuff doesn't freeze
11:25.54GagorianSo basically like 2-3
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11:26.16Shefki~weather ENSB
11:26.56SunTsu~weather EDDL
11:26.59Shefki~weather CYLT
11:27.04KnThrakHrm, say... anyone know how to update the options-window the moment the user makes a change? Basically I have input fields (multiple), and once the user fills the last one I need to have some way to call a Refresh() after I add another empty field. So that from the perspective of the user the moment there is always one empty field at the bottom.
11:27.08koaschten_goddamn
11:27.11vhaarrimagine the effective temperature at ENSB with 20 MPH wind
11:27.13koaschten_can you stop that by now?
11:27.38KnThrakCut the last "the moment" :P
11:28.20Gagorianvhaarr: Nothing close to Siberia I just linked :)
11:28.25KnThrakI did all the "add another empty field", but due to the lack of automatic refresh when the last field's setter is called you don't see the new field until the options are re-initialized. And doing the whole register AGAIN seems a bit overblown, is there something like an OptionsRefresh() ?
11:28.59GagorianThat was the coldest place I found in Siberia with a weather monitoring code
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11:29.59nevcairielKnThrak: you're creating the options dialogs yourself?
11:30.01ShefkiGagorian: Yeah I was looking for cold places but you found Polyarny before I thought to look in Siberia.  I was looking for more obscure places.
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11:30.24nevcairielthe arctic has no airports? :d
11:30.36nevcairielor alaska?
11:30.39KriLL3it does, though the ice is a bit of an issue
11:30.48KnThrakI use AceConfig3 for that
11:30.58KriLL3most planes break using their wheels
11:31.06Shefkinevcairiel: The last two I did were the closest to the artic.
11:31.07KriLL3if that doesn't work you need a very long runway
11:31.19ShefkiSvalbard and Alert.
11:31.39KnThrakI got all the options, it's a few dropdown boxes followed by a few input fields. And I want to make it so that there's always one empty input field at the bottom, when you fill that another empty one gets added underneath. Adding it in the code the moment the last field's setter is called is easy, but I can't find out how to update the options window.
11:31.49koaschten_waoh i just ragequit an old kingdom randomlfg grp because we wiped 3 times at the same trash pack, because after bash and charge the shadowcaster maanaged to finish 2 of his -80% hp nukes....
11:31.55GagorianPlaces close to the seas are usually warmer than inland.. And Siberia has tons of landmass so you're likely to find cold places there
11:32.06koaschten_and the dk, ret and hunter didnt feel like interupting
11:32.08Shefki~weather PABR
11:32.09GagorianSiberia covers 10% of the earth's land surface :D
11:32.22nevcairielKnThrak: usually the options are refreshed automatically after each setter call
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11:32.33ShefkiThat's the best I can think of in Alaska.
11:32.34KriLL3Gagorian: though cold isn't as chilling with low humidity
11:32.46KriLL3which is what you get inland
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11:33.10ShefkiThat's a really weird ICAO for the US.
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11:34.08GagorianKriLL3: I belive at cold temperatures wind plays a greater role than humidity
11:34.20ShefkiHmm guess Alaska has their own prefix which is PA
11:34.25KriLL3Gagorian: both do
11:35.08GagorianSure, though for some reason the formulas that calculate wind chill don't take into account humidity at all
11:35.10GagorianAfaik
11:35.18GagorianHumidity is a bigger factor in high temps
11:35.28KnThrakNevermind Nev, I think I fould the problem. Thanks ^_^
11:35.34SunTsucurrently it's 2C here, which feels much colder than the -11C did before christmas
11:35.36nevcairielbecause cold air can't hold as much water anyway
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11:38.02Kalrothits -3C here :/
11:38.04Kalrothhttp://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=hjoerring&CELSIUS=yes
11:38.52Shefki~weather ULAA
11:39.05ShefkiBahh tame.
11:39.25GagorianToo close to the seas and whatnot
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11:43.24Shefki"The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it. "
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11:58.46WobinTorhal, he can't even spell Riddick correctly
11:58.49TorhalHaha
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12:06.15GagorianTorhal: :D
12:07.02TorhalI'm wondering how the guy manages to log into the site.
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12:14.13evlBruners: I did too
12:14.46Brunersfffffuuuuu
12:14.55Brunersthey can fill the page with adds just not the damn popups
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12:32.56orionshockhttp://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=297050&postcount=12
12:33.07orionshockhave fun, :)
12:35.11koaschten_http://www.commandandconquer.com/news/get-cc-4-public-beta
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13:59.43XtekHeyo.
14:00.19asmodaioi xtek
14:00.37Xtekoi, indeed
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14:02.48asmodaiXtek: Why s?
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14:03.05XtekBecause more cookies are demanded.
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14:32.53KriLL3I wish blizz put quest items you need to obtain before using in the quest tracker also
14:33.29KriLL3perhaps with a tooltip on hover saying you need to find them first, clicking opens the map with where you get em highlighted
14:34.58KriLL3annoying to have to open the inventory on some quests but not others
14:37.19genetik-i wish blizz would just make a "do everything for me" button
14:38.16KriLL3just saying it's not consistent
14:39.04KriLL3the map stuff was just in case someone said that it would be confusing
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15:29.08steevso
15:29.20steevlast night the green slime affixed to a ranged dps
15:29.56steevone of our hunters went nuts on it as soon as it affixed... and the slime then went after the hunter, while staying fixed on the ranged
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15:30.26steevstill didn't get putricide down though :/
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15:36.21draculayeah I've seen slimes getting 'distracted' sometimes as well
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15:36.48Repo10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.3.6-2-gddd3464 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
15:36.49Repoddd3464: Properly re-calculate the POI Max Bounds when changing the maps scale.
15:36.50Repoc69c02f: When disabling the BattleMap module, properly restore the previously hidden textures.
15:37.04KriLL3why do random quests break frequently nowadays? was really rare at one point, now I encounter a bunch while leveling
15:37.16KriLL3missing NPCs, frozen events etc
15:37.20RepoKnowledge base page update: http://kb.wowace.com/policy/abandoned-and-inactive-projects/ by Ackis
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15:45.18steevbleh, i got hit by choking gas 5 times in our first attempt last night :/
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15:58.30Repo10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.3.6-3-g74dc85b / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Hide the blobs when scaling the map with the scale handle.
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16:35.48GagorianAnyone else noticed that the type = 'number' options in AceGUI-3.0 (imported through AceConfigDialog) seem to be missing the number from the input box occasionally?
16:36.03GagorianI haven't really tracked it down but at least after an options reset there's always a few with the missing value
16:36.45ShadowedGagorian:  pong
16:36.52GagorianTorhal: Haha you got a new message from that Riddrick dude
16:36.57GagorianShadowed: Multiplicative
16:37.27Shadowedhuh odd
16:38.02GagorianWell everything else on affecting pally heals are multiplicative as well
16:38.13Gagorians/on//
16:38.27GagorianSo I guess it kinda makes sense
16:44.03Repo10libhealcomm-4-0: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.5.6-7-g4ffdb84 LibHealComm-4.0.lua: [+1 commit] Switched Paladin 2 piece T10 holy to multiplicative
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16:59.23GagorianExample of the bug mentioned above:
16:59.28Gagorianhttp://www.saunalahti.fi/~larssaar/AceGUI.jpg
17:00.00GagorianFor some reason the 0 isn't displayed
17:01.22Ingelait's fine for me? :O
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17:02.31GagorianYeah that's the problem, it works randomly most of the time
17:02.35GagorianJust sometimes there's an error
17:02.48ShadowedWhat's the error?
17:03.38GagorianErmm, not as in error message. Just weird behaviour
17:04.07GagorianIf I reload for example, the display is fixed on one talent but appears on another
17:04.21Gagorian(applies to every 'number' type option)
17:04.37GagorianSometimes it just doesn't display the value at all in the input box
17:04.52GagorianAnd the talents all use the same get/set scripts so it can't be that
17:05.22Shadowedodd
17:05.30GagorianFor example, I refreshed the UI and now Threat of Thassarian correctly displays 0 but now Improved Rune Tap value is missing
17:05.32ShadowedDoesn't look like there's anything that should cause that
17:06.23GagorianIt's not a big deal, but it's weird
17:06.37arkanes_maybe its got the wrong display strata?
17:07.00arkanes_although text should always be higher than icons, so huh
17:08.39GagorianAfter another reload it appeared in another option that was previously fine
17:08.43Gagorianhttp://www.saunalahti.fi/~larssaar/AceGUI2.jpg
17:09.08GagorianPretty random
17:12.07ShadowedWhen it doubt, harass nev
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17:14.33Gagoriannevcairiel: *winks*
17:14.53Gagoriannevcairiel: *shows hairy leg*
17:15.02GagorianMaybe that doesn't work
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17:16.08CrazyBenny_I noticed missign numbers in inputs aswell...don't remember which addon was it tho, think quick auctions, but not sure
17:16.23moopquick question, would this be correct for all things involving the player: if (bit.band(COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFILIATION_MINE, srcFlags) > 0) then
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17:16.49moopor do I have it the wrong way around? :P
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17:19.14Repo10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.6.2-30-g4071b1d data/item_data.lua: [+1 commit] Reflagged Revitalizing Skyflare Diamond as good for Resto Shamans regardless of Solace trinkets.
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17:28.12Repo10libhealcomm-4-0: 03Shadowed 04v1.5.7 * a3b2765 /: [new tag] Tagging as release 1.5.7
17:29.47Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1251 / (4 files in 2 directories): - Added the missing 5 lowest ilvl warlock T10 pieces
17:29.50Repo- Added option to select all the tooltip text colors, now you can personalize your tooltip to look like a rainbow or choose something that doesn't look like someone threw up on your tooltip
17:30.16KriLL3wow, I just hit 80 on this char and I'm going random heroics to buy triumph gear, and they're whining about my dps
17:31.04KriLL3yes, I should ideally be doing 5000 in leveling blues with an average iLVL of 160
17:31.31rbarreiroshehehe
17:31.40rbarreirosgone through that in my latest alt too
17:31.44rbarreirosa couple hours ago
17:31.48KriLL3resto druid with raid gear joined and whined endlessly about our dps
17:32.08KuosiKriLL3: if you were fury war or ret pala you could!
17:32.12ckknighthttp://addons1.mmosite.com/wow/
17:32.17KriLL3blood dk
17:32.20Kuositoo bad!
17:32.32Kuosifrost only workable spec in heroics really
17:32.35Kuosiif you want dps
17:32.52Kuosistuff just dies too fast for unholy atleast
17:36.25Axodioushey, web question
17:36.29Axodiouswhich cms you guys prefer?
17:36.38Axodiousdrupal, joomla etc etc
17:36.46KriLL3wordpress
17:37.07Axodiousi'm making a business site with one
17:37.18Axodiousdon't think wordpress woudl work it's more so for blogging
17:37.27durcyndrupal's probably the most configurable
17:37.35Axodiousyeah that's what i was thinking
17:37.40KriLL3Axodious: works just fine
17:37.46durcynif it's good enough for obama
17:37.56KriLL3and wordpress it very configurable, a ton of plugins
17:38.33durcynwordpress is still just blogging software at its core, though
17:38.50durcyndrupal has plugins for forums and ecommerce and all that business gobshite etc
17:38.59Axodiousyea that's what i was thinking
17:39.00Axodiouslol
17:39.10KriLL3you don't really get it
17:39.28KriLL3blogging is just one use of a CMS
17:39.33durcynseeing as i run sites based on both wp and drupal, yeah, i think i do get it
17:39.48durcynfeel free to go all ad hominem again though
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17:39.57Axodiouscan you even run wordpress local? or is it all in their site
17:40.04durcynyou can self host it.
17:40.10Axodiousk
17:40.26Axodiousi think i'm gonna give drupal a try
17:40.27durcynand yes, it's good software, just make sure there are plugins for what you want before you settle on anything
17:40.38KriLL3the wp hosted version can't be modified
17:40.46durcynwhat's the saying?  "all software sucks"
17:43.24Axodiousfirst time using a cms, usually hand code all my websites
17:43.47KriLL3I do also, then just put in the appropriate PHP to make use of the WP backend
17:44.32KriLL3generally start my designs as static html + css and then convert it into a "theme"
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17:47.31durcynugh, must there be a curse premium notification spam every time the author memberships are renewed
17:48.07Fiskeroooooowned?
17:48.49Ackisdurcyn: submit a ticket!
17:49.35Fiskerbtw ckknight
17:49.39FiskerSC2 Beta requirements
17:49.42Fiskermust be beta inc!
17:49.57KriLL3Fisker: somewhat modest I'm guessing?
17:49.58ckknightwant
17:50.07KriLL3blizz likes to make scaling games
17:50.20Fisker15GB of HDD
17:50.26Fiskerhttp://eu.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_GB&articleId=38579&parentCategoryId&pageNumber=1&categoryId=7040
17:50.27KriLL3ohnoes!
17:50.34FiskerIntel Pentium IV 1.3GHz
17:50.34FiskerAMD XP 1500+Intel Pentium D
17:50.34FiskerAMD 64 X2
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17:50.45KriLL31.3 P4? ouch
17:50.45Fisker1.3GHz P4 lol
17:50.57KriLL3can't even run windows quickly
17:51.14nevcairielisnt WoWs minimum req even higher then that now?
17:51.25KriLL3"ATI Radeon 7200 or NVIDIA GeForce 2 class card or better"
17:51.40GagorianThat can't be right...
17:51.50KriLL3what does the game look and feel like on the minimum spec?
17:52.10Fiskeri'd tell you if i had the system and SC2
17:52.18Fiskerbut like shit i'd guess
17:52.29Fiskermaybe they made a special voxel-based SC2 engine for shit comuters
17:52.29Fisker:D
17:53.44KriLL3I don't have anything that crappy
17:53.54KriLL3my NAS is a P4 3.0 and GF4
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17:56.02Fiskerbut ckknight
17:56.05Fiskerit must mean beta nao
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18:04.43ckknightFisker: WANT
18:06.35ckknightFisker: no OS X :(
18:06.37FiskerUnfortunately, during this phase a Mac version will not be available
18:06.38FiskerOWNED
18:06.42Fiskerhivemind btw
18:06.55Fiskerexcept i'm happy, and he's not
18:06.59Fiskeryou're*
18:07.10KriLL3can dual boot windows
18:07.44KriLL3funny that apple themselves provided that capability, guess that's the closes they'll come to admitting that windows has a much broader ecosystem
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18:11.03Megalonbetas Fisker
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18:13.00Fiskerbetas Megalon
18:14.10ckknightKriLL3: true
18:15.06Gnarfozbeats Fisker
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18:24.16Fiskerfeels pain
18:28.47TorhalGagorian: Hehehe
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18:40.25NeoTronman those are some really low system requirements
18:40.53NeoTronmy 7 year old computer, i.e my first WoW computer, is like 2x those requirements
18:40.58NeoTroncan't possibly be right?
18:41.07Megalonperhaps the engine scales like mad :P
18:41.33Megalonbut blizzard always goes very low with min. requirements
18:41.59NeoTronit seems almost silly to scale that low - no people playing pc games would still run such an ancient beast as their primary gaming rig :P
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18:42.44pentium166maybe they want it to run on netbooks
18:42.54GagorianTorhal: Did he call you footrot? :D
18:43.00nevcairieleven netbooks are faster then that
18:43.13TorhalGagorian: No, Footrot responded to him in the comments
18:43.41GagorianAh yeah should've scrolled down, would've made more sense if he had capsed it
18:43.44Gagorian"Yesterday, my eyes alarm did not match my brain. Like the never does."
18:43.56TorhalGoogle translation? :)
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18:46.40GagorianI don't think even google translate does that bad a job
18:46.53TorhalHaha
18:47.14Fiskeri wonder why a blue poster is reserving posts in a LOCKED THREAD
18:47.26Primernoob
18:47.59GagorianAnyone read Alastair Reynolds House of Suns?
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19:06.47Repo10tributeloot: 03Euthy * r60 / (4 files in 2 directories):  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
19:06.49RepoDisplays count when printing results for items that drop multiple times on the same mob (i.e. two conq tokens)
19:06.50RepoAdds "Festergut's Acidic Blood" to the ignored items options
19:06.52RepoAdds "Rotface's Acidic Blood" to the ignored items options
19:06.52RepoAdds "Shadowfrost Shard" to the ignored items options
19:07.36Repo10tributeloot: 03Euthy 04v1.1.14 * r61 : Tagging as v1.1.14
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19:26.27Repo10arl: 03pompachomp * r2812 Database/Jewelcrafting.lua: Added skill levels for some of the jewelcrafting recipes.
19:26.29RepoFixed the skill levels of the LK Epic Gem recipes.
19:28.34Megalonoh, the article about SCII sys. req. is gone :7
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19:43.17p3limdoes this still work? http://paste.wowace.com/781/
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20:03.31Fiskerbtw ckknight
20:03.37Fiskerif you thought the system reqs was bad
20:03.38Fiskerhttp://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=30787&parentCategoryId&pageNumber=1&categoryId=3633
20:03.52ckknightFisker: http://epicwinftw.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/129077242752397361.jpg
20:04.09Fiskerthat's not sc2
20:05.11ckknightsure it is
20:05.29ckknightit's a marine.
20:05.36Fiskerno it's not
20:05.41Fiskerat best it's an SCV
20:05.51arkanes_MOBILE INFANTRY ROLL OUT
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20:21.03Fiskerready to roll out ckknight
20:21.16ckknightready to burn.
20:22.04Fiskerumad?
20:22.19harlcan someone please tell me, if this could actually still work (at least in theory) and also if this is ok with blizzard's current tos/eula?
20:22.21harlhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9645-SpellSilencer.html#info
20:22.39Fiskeragainst blizzard's tos etc.
20:22.45Fiskerif it works i dunno
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20:54.01arkanes_overriding sounds by just extracting folders isnt against the TOS
20:54.06arkanes_(if that even works anymore)
20:54.28arkanes_the thing that violates the TOS is modifying the contents of the packed files
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20:57.28yoshimoyou can replace sounds ?
21:00.57harli know that this was possible some time at least
21:01.26harlbut i haven't tested the contents of that exact archive in respect of their functionality, so i don't know if it still is
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21:15.20KriLL3tanks swap color on vortex yes or no?
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21:16.39yoshimovalkyrtwins?
21:16.49KriLL3yes
21:17.16yoshimoi think we didnt but it has been a while
21:17.52Pneumatusno
21:18.04KriLL3tank never swaps?
21:18.08Pneumatuscorrect
21:18.38arkanes_no reason for the tank not to
21:19.19Pneumatusgimp dps, risk moving out of healing range etc
21:19.21Pneumatusplenty of reasons
21:19.42arkanes_well we tank them on top of portals
21:19.48arkanes_so there's no movement required
21:20.28arkanes_if the tank has to move DPS does too, so no reason for the tank not to bring the mob with them
21:21.36NivFreakwe never swapped tank charges
21:21.42NivFreakin any method
21:21.51NivFreaktanks can just CD
21:22.17NivFreakyou get maybe 2 vortexes per fight that mismatch
21:22.21arkanes_if you need to CD the vortex you're better of saving it for the shield
21:22.35NivFreakyou don't need to CD either
21:22.37arkanes_but still there's no reason for the tank not to switch except laziness
21:22.39NivFreakbut if you're worried you can
21:22.41Groktarya, i always cd, too
21:22.54Groktari sw when the other bubbles
21:22.55KriLL3cd?
21:23.02NivFreakless moving parts == more reliable
21:23.05NivFreakit's not lazy, it's safe
21:23.08Groktarand ls/trinky on the vortex
21:23.11NivFreakKriLL3: cooldown
21:23.16arkanes_if your DPS switch, then theres no penalty for the tank doing it also, and if the DPS don't you overgear the encounter and why bother even talking about it
21:23.28Groktarall the dps don't need to switch
21:23.31NivFreakif your tank switches charges, he has to switch back to make threat
21:23.36NivFreakor switch mobs
21:23.39NivFreakso you can little if anything
21:23.46NivFreakand increase risk of extra orb impacts
21:23.55Groktarwhen i dps that fight i sw the on the vortex
21:23.57Groktar:p
21:24.25NivFreakI don't, but watch for my health to become unstable
21:25.05NivFreakI'm so glad to be out of togc though :P
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21:29.07Groktari just can't believe we didn't kill blood queen this week
21:29.11Groktarafter we two shot her last week
21:29.14Groktarpeople were so brain dead
21:29.15Groktar:/
21:29.25Fisker10-man?
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21:29.40NivFreakour raid failed pretty hard on her last week
21:29.43Gnarfozdoubtful, you can sleepwalk her to death in 10man
21:29.47NivFreakairphase...
21:29.53Fisker@project blessed
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21:29.58NivFreak(25man)
21:30.10Groktari just don't understand why it was a problem this week but not last
21:30.18Fiskerexactly Gnarfoz :P
21:30.19NivFreakdid you kill her before the nerf/
21:30.20NivFreak?
21:30.20Groktarand last week we didn't get around to her untila fter the hotfix
21:30.24NivFreakah
21:30.43NivFreakwe had issues with bitten people getting killed in random ways
21:30.50NivFreakand if bites lined up with airphase, it was pretty much over
21:30.53Groktartiny bit of that
21:30.59NivFreakand some people are just utter failures at biting
21:31.03Groktarbites always line up with airphase
21:31.07NivFreakI have to learn who to put in the last bite set
21:31.11NivFreakso they don't wipe us
21:31.16NivFreakGroktar: you can shift them
21:31.19NivFreakwith bite timing
21:31.24Groktarhrm?
21:31.33NivFreakyou have a 10second window that you can bite within
21:31.47NivFreakbiting at the begining or end of that lets you shift the timing around
21:32.11Fiskerstill lame that Blizzard haven't just put a cooldown on it
21:32.20NivFreakon?
21:32.24Groktarwhat are you talking about
21:32.49arkanes_she's not a faceroll on 10 either :(
21:33.02Fiskerthe bites NivFreak
21:33.06arkanes_although of course it's all about the DPS check like so many encounters
21:33.16FiskerWas standing there during airphase
21:33.19Fisker"fuck i have to bite someone"
21:33.21Fisker:E
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21:34.09NivFreak10man was a joke for us
21:34.14Groktar^
21:34.16NivFreak2 shot, should have been 1
21:34.29Groktarmy 10 man had more issues with blood princes than blood queen
21:34.33NivFreakditt
21:34.33arkanes_25 man gear makes it easier
21:34.34NivFreako
21:34.39NivFreakand mostly just the lock tank
21:34.40arkanes_princes is easier since the nerf
21:34.48Fiskerwe just did princes
21:34.54arkanes_we stopped using a lock tank, use 2 real tanks instead
21:34.56Fiskerand the empowered flame sphere targetted the ank
21:34.56NivFreakwe ended up doing 25man princes this week with a druid instead of a lock
21:35.00NivFreakferal druid
21:35.00Fiskerand we're like ???
21:35.08Fiskerank = tank
21:35.16NivFreakrun away! :)
21:35.26NivFreaknot enough valid ranged targets?
21:35.43Fiskershould be
21:35.47Fiskeronly me and the tank there
21:35.55arkanes_the difference in dps between 264 and 251 gear is larger than the difference for tanks and healers
21:36.14arkanes_mainly because of weapons, of course
21:36.22Groktarwho uses 251 gear?
21:36.24Fiskerinfact the bossmod also said it was targetted on someone else
21:36.27NivFreakyou're assuming people are kitted in 264 gear
21:36.28Groktardemands at least 258
21:36.30Megalonbut for most people
21:36.32NivFreakand not still 245/258
21:36.35Megalonit's 258 => 264
21:36.36arkanes_10 man guilds
21:36.39Megalonwhich is more meh
21:36.42NivFreakno one cares about 10man guilds ;P
21:36.45arkanes_I do
21:36.49arkanes_since I am one
21:37.00NivFreakICC10 is harder in blues too
21:37.03arkanes_and its irritating to hear people complaining about how trivial DPS checks are
21:37.06Fiskerwe never got to kill anub :(
21:37.10arkanes_when they overgear them :P
21:37.21NivFreakso you're a 10man strict guild?
21:37.23Groktaryeah, what are these dps checks everyone is on about?
21:37.23arkanes_yes
21:37.23Fiskerand i doubt most guilds would've done so to get ~100 tokens :P
21:37.32Groktarhas no idea what the big deal is
21:37.32NivFreakno 25man loot on your raiders at all?
21:37.46arkanes_we do the first wing of icc 25 as a pug every so often
21:37.54arkanes_but we have perhaps 10 pieces across all our raiders
21:37.54NivFreakright, so you're not a 10man strict guild
21:38.12NivFreakyou guys just can't run a consistent 25man raid
21:38.17Fisker"We're a 10-man guild, but don't you dare use your spare time to pug 25-man content?"
21:38.27NivFreakthere's a difference
21:38.30NivFreakbetween strict 10man guilds
21:38.36arkanes_we're a 10 man strict guild
21:38.37NivFreakand 10man guilds that run 25mans when they can
21:38.41NivFreakno, you're not :P
21:38.42arkanes_we do puggable 25 content
21:38.51NivFreakall of the 25man normal content is pugable
21:38.56steevwhich is everything these days
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21:39.05arkanes_not really
21:39.16Megalonwell, prof. needs a few tries
21:39.25Megalonand most pugs tend to dislike wipes
21:39.29NivFreakhey, guilds haven't kiled him still
21:39.32arkanes_better hope it's more than 10
21:39.37arkanes_er, less
21:40.05NeoTronMan NivFreak is being an elitist jerk!
21:40.24arkanes_nah it's cool
21:40.26NivFreakif you really think that blizzard tunes 10mans as tightly for people doing strict 10man progression, as they do for people doing 25man progression, you're mistaken
21:40.31NivFreak(hardmodes are all that matter here)
21:40.45arkanes_there are no icc hardmodes yet, of course
21:40.49arkanes_so they don't matter
21:40.55NeoTron10 man is, relatively speaking, easier than 25 man but still significnatly harder than it is for CC 25 man raiders
21:40.55NivFreakright, but you have 2 previous tiers to reference
21:41.07arkanes_sure
21:41.33NivFreakICC is still new, it seems harder than it is because it's new
21:41.37arkanes_and no, obviously, 10 mans are not tuned as tight as 25 mans because they can't be and still be completable
21:41.43NivFreakright
21:41.44arkanes_no, it seems harder because it is harder
21:41.52NivFreakso taking us talking about how 10man was a pushover
21:41.55NivFreakand getting defensive
21:41.56arkanes_you can't do the kind of tank damage to a 10 man tank as you can to a 25 man
21:41.56NivFreakis dumb
21:42.11arkanes_because he doesn't have 4 healers on him
21:42.30arkanes_and same with raid damage and so on
21:43.00arkanes_DPS is tuned much tighter in icc normal than toc normal was though
21:43.01NivFreakthere hasn't been a super challenging 10man encounter since s3d
21:43.24NivFreakheh
21:43.30NivFreakso while my main is geared to the teeth
21:43.36NivFreakmy alts are mainly 10man gear
21:43.39NivFreakor BoEs
21:43.43arkanes_3d10 was only challenging because there's more roles to fill than you had people to fill them
21:43.50NivFreakand running groups where I'm one of the better geared people, we have no problems in ICC10
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21:44.32NivFreakin fact, my rogue tops charts in some of the 10man ICC groups
21:44.42Groktarwow, badly geared rogue!
21:44.45Groktarj/k
21:44.45NivFreakyes
21:44.46NivFreak:P
21:44.51NeoTronin many cases the ease is solely due to having less people in a fixed space room too
21:45.01arkanes_thats also true
21:45.13arkanes_sometimes it works against you, like on princes
21:45.26arkanes_but more often its a benefit
21:45.31NivFreakmuch more often
21:45.39NivFreakand BQL is a great example
21:45.43NivFreakit's so very much more simple
21:46.08NeoTronbut very clearly there has been example of 10 man fights that were excessively harder in 10 man
21:46.11NivFreakwhile the fight has a high dps bar in 25man, it's more about proper execution than actual raw dps
21:46.27NeoTronsay when the enrage is the sme absolute numbers as 25 man but less people to deal with it
21:46.43arkanes_faction champs is easier 25, in my experience
21:46.46NivFreakwhat fight was drastically harder than the 25man version outside of s3d?
21:46.47arkanes_as an example
21:46.54NivFreakarkanes_: I would MASSIVLY disagree
21:46.56arkanes_not drastically, but easier
21:47.15NivFreakbut I'm guessing you never did 25h
21:47.27Groktarall toc 10 mans were significantly easier than 25 mans
21:47.27arkanes_whats harder about 25 hard?
21:47.36NeoTronFestergut
21:47.39arkanes_you've got 2 more enemies
21:47.47NivFreakthey can't be taunted, they focus harder, cc smarter, it's fucking brutal
21:47.47arkanes_and 15 more cc options
21:47.52NeoTronand to be honest, rotface too
21:47.53NivFreakand when you get 5 melee, it's a serious pita
21:47.54arkanes_I know the difference between hard and normal
21:48.03Groktari never had 5 melee...
21:48.05NivFreakNeoTron: waitm, what?
21:48.07NeoTronfor 10 man geared guilds the healing si a lot harder, relatively speaking, than in 25
21:48.19NivFreakhow would you know that
21:48.19NivFreak;P
21:48.21NeoTronNivFreak: you have not done those in 10 man gear.
21:48.24NivFreakyou don't heal either
21:48.25NivFreakyes, I have
21:48.38arkanes_pre nerf rotface was harder in 10
21:48.44NeoTronbut I do know that Festergut enrage in 10 man was significantly harder (which is why it was nerfed)
21:48.53NivFreakyou're thinking rotface
21:48.58NeoTronit took out a larger percentage of the raid due to using absolute numbers rather than relative to raid size
21:49.04Groktarhehe, speaking of festergut enrage
21:49.04NeoTronyes I am
21:49.06NeoTronswap those :P
21:49.10NivFreakrotface was fucked
21:49.11NivFreakthey fixed that
21:49.17NivFreakthey've done the same shit in 25s
21:49.23Groktarwe didn't know he had an enrage until we tried our alt 25m
21:49.28NivFreakfuck, look at XT002 hardmode in ulduar?
21:49.30NeoTronbut festergut healing is very noticeably harder in 10s with people fgeared in 25 man gear
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21:49.40NivFreakyou couldn't even trigger it before they fixed the encounter
21:49.47NeoTronI mean with 3 healers it's rather trivial now but I've bene close to dying many times in that fight
21:49.54arkanes_pre nerf marrowgar was too
21:49.57NivFreakhave you missed our 25man raids or something?
21:50.03NivFreakbut see
21:50.08NivFreaktalking about pre-nerf versions is silly
21:50.12NivFreakblizzard fucks up balance constantly
21:50.12arkanes_but sure
21:50.12NeoTronI'm comparing our 25s with my 10s
21:50.21NivFreakyou need to look at the state of things now
21:50.30arkanes_why do I need to do that?
21:50.41NivFreakbecause blizzard's balance is a moving target
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21:50.49NivFreakand it doesn't matter what's fucked up on day 1
21:51.03NeoTronstill think it's very hard to properly account for balnce if you're an experienced 25 man raider
21:51.17NivFreakwhy? My alts are badge heros
21:51.19NeoTronit's not just gear but let's be honest here - successful 25 man raiders are typically better raiders
21:51.24NivFreakthey probably have worse gear than a proper 10man raider
21:51.28arkanes_I don't really find that to be true
21:51.31NivFreakright neo
21:51.33NivFreakthat's sort of my point
21:51.34NeoTronnot being elitist but skill is a very definite difference
21:51.36NivFreakyou can't blame this all on gear
21:51.37arkanes_the people at the front end of progression are
21:51.49Funkeh`ffs Shadowed
21:51.57Funkeh`yet again in oculus
21:51.58NeoTronarkanes_: I did 10 man raiding early in wotlk, exclusively, and we were experienced 25 man raiders. we got bored very very fast
21:52.05Funkeh`error followed by DC
21:52.09arkanes_but you especially as the normal modes get weakened and people gear up you can carry people in 25 you can't carry in 10s
21:52.13NeoTronmoving to 25 mans, we cleared naxx with 20 people in two weeks (using like 3-4 healers tops)
21:52.21NivFreakarkanes_: hah, now that's a bullshit
21:52.24Funkeh`libhealcomm sending too much shite
21:52.32Groktari don't think you can measure anything by naxx
21:52.40arkanes_NivFreak: you're claiming 25 normal is harder than 10 hard?
21:52.46NeoTronarkanes_: frankly I don't see that as being true either
21:52.48NivFreakI didn't say that
21:52.50NeoTronand we're not talkin about hard modes
21:52.50NivFreakyou say 10n
21:52.57NeoTroncompare 10 man hard to 25 man hard
21:52.59NivFreakyou need to either compare 10n to 25n
21:53.02NivFreakor 10h to 25h
21:53.13NeoTronhard modes are actually often HARD and intentionally so
21:53.13Groktar^
21:53.17arkanes_I think that comparing 10h to 25n is entirely reasonable
21:53.23arkanes_since they give you the same ilevel of gear
21:53.23Groktarno it's not
21:53.23NeoTronnormal modes, especially 10 man, is intentionally not hard
21:53.30NivFreakit's not at all
21:53.31NeoTronit's not
21:53.35NivFreakyou're foolish to think that
21:53.41arkanes_why is that?
21:53.42NeoTronyou also get the same ilevel gear in ToC25 as you do running heroics
21:53.47arkanes_sure
21:53.49NivFreakbecause they designed 25n to be accessible
21:53.53NivFreakjust like 10n
21:53.54NeoTrondoes that mean toc 25 is a fair comparision to running Azjol'nerub? :P
21:54.04NivFreak^
21:54.11arkanes_gear resets obviously throw relative balance off
21:54.11NivFreakilvl of gear != difficulty
21:54.25Funkeh`Shadowed, when i was casting prayer of healing
21:54.31Funkeh`so it's probably that bugging
21:54.34NeoTron10 man hard modes give experienced 25 man raiders trouble, no doubt about it
21:54.36arkanes_is ulduar harder than normal POS?
21:54.44Funkeh`possibly because the players i was casting it on were on vehicles
21:54.45Funkeh`no idea
21:54.47NivFreakulduar10?
21:54.48NivFreaknot really
21:54.48Funkeh`afk
21:54.50NivFreak:)
21:54.55arkanes_heh
21:54.56arkanes_lies
21:55.00NeoTronpure 10 man guilds CAN do 10 man hard modes but it's not going to be easy in the slightest
21:55.09Fiskerlets kill Groktar
21:55.14NivFreakthe problem is the demographic of 10man guilds
21:55.25Groktarie people who don't care that much?
21:55.27NivFreakthere aren't many strict 10man guilds, and you're admittidly not one of them
21:55.30NivFreakof those "guilds"
21:55.32arkanes_NeoTron: when I say we are a 10 man guild, I mean that we do 10 man hard modes, not that we're casual raiders who can't fill a 25 man roster
21:55.34NeoTronthat's better than the first tier when S3D was basically impossible for a pure 10 man guild. quick malygos kill was borderline
21:55.37NivFreakmost of them don't do very well
21:55.39NeoTrons/basically//
21:55.43arkanes_I'm not admittedly anything, so fuck you
21:55.57NivFreak<PROTECTED>
21:56.24NivFreakanyway, I care not what you use to justify your existance and have fun
21:56.32NivFreakbut interjecting into a conversation others are having
21:56.39NivFreakby basically infering you have more skill
21:56.44NivFreakit's ignorant
21:56.51arkanes_yes, thats what you did :P
21:56.52arkanes_anyway
21:57.05NeoTronarkanes_: the point remains though, that normal mode 10s might be easier or harder (depending on fight) than 25s, but in general are balanced a bit lower
21:57.11arkanes_NeoTron: sure
21:57.14NeoTronand I think we can all pretty much not say anything about hard modes
21:57.14arkanes_NeoTron: I'm not disagreeing
21:57.18NeoTronsince we haven't seen them
21:57.28NivFreakI was talking with groktar, and you interjected, so yes, clearly I did it
21:57.33NeoTronand can also assume with great accuracy that 10H is way the hell harder than 25N :)
21:58.03NivFreakassuming 10 compitent people vs 25 compitent people, surely
21:58.22NeoTronhave to assume that
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21:58.25NivFreakagreed
21:58.36NivFreakwhen do we get to have 25 compitent people? :)
21:59.10NivFreakand with that, meeting time
21:59.19NeoTronand I think the assumption that MANY (not all don't get me wrong here) 10 man raiding guilds are NOT the same quality as the people that run 10H and 25N progression (25N being ones that don't just run 4 bosses per week and stop because the next wings ar too hard)
21:59.38arkanes_NeoTron: there are very very few 10 man raiding guilds period
21:59.38NeoTronit's a lower bar to raid 10s simply due to more flexible raid makeups, less people needed etc :)
21:59.52arkanes_NeoTron: whether they fit the requirement of barring members from pugging or not
22:00.08arkanes_NeoTron: even when you count the casuals, there's twice as many 25 man guilds as 10 on our server
22:00.09ShadowedFunkeh`: Hrm, at most that should only be 175-200 characters still
22:00.16Shadowedbut as I said
22:00.36ShadowedIt's easier if you add a specific output for the message it tried to send, because I can debug it a lot quicker than if you just tell me "It sent too long of a message" :p
22:00.44arkanes_there's only 4 10 man guilds taht were even attempting hard modes, and 1 of them recently switched to 25s
22:01.24arkanes_I'll note that the reason they gave is that the reward/effort ratio is higher in 25s
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22:03.34arkanes_NeoTron: does your server have a large population of people who fit the description of 10 man guilds? Honestly curious there
22:04.01arkanes_maybe ours is an anomoly, since we have a pretty high level of 25 man progression
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22:15.39Groktarit never would have occured to me to fight the mobs behind the lich king in RoS
22:15.41Groktarlol
22:16.01arkanes_sort of ruins the epicness of the encounter
22:16.07Groktaryeah
22:16.16Groktarbut at least pugs can kill it then
22:16.17Groktarheh
22:16.40Megalonif all pugs you get into fail Groktar
22:16.45arkanes_doing it the real way is really rough with a melee heavy group
22:16.47Megalonperhaps it's not the other 4 people!
22:17.05arkanes_you get one of those stupid casters stuck inside his aura and it can suck
22:17.22Groktarlol Megalon
22:17.27Groktarand what arkanes said
22:17.38Groktarthe frustrating thing is when you have mages and dks in your pug
22:17.49Groktarand they won't help get the casters out of his stink cloud
22:17.50Groktar:(
22:17.51arkanes_and they wont silence or dg him?
22:17.52arkanes_yeah
22:17.56arkanes_bastards
22:19.59Groktarhmm
22:20.28Groktaris trying to convince a couple death knights to go blood for saurfang this tuesday
22:20.36Groktari want to double hysteria/tricks someone
22:20.40Groktarbut i can't decide who
22:20.43GagorianAnyone French here? *nudges towards* http://www.wowace.com/addons/dr-damage/localization/frFR/?untranslated
22:20.49arkanes_Groktar: they dont stack
22:21.16arkanes_but regardless, the correct answer is "someone who just got marked"
22:21.22Groktartricks has a really short cd tho
22:21.32arkanes_15 sec
22:21.35Groktarand why marked?
22:21.42arkanes_so the hysteria kills them of course
22:21.50arkanes_why else would you hysteria someone?
22:22.05Groktarlol
22:22.25arkanes_but seriously, if you're just trying to go for the best possible chain of enrage effects
22:22.29arkanes_I guess a ret pally?
22:22.46arkanes_if you time everything perfectly you could probably get 100% uptime
22:22.49Groktarret pallies do a lot of holy damage tho
22:23.08arkanes_its only like 20%
22:23.26Groktara furry warrior would probably be better than a ret, except for the fact that i get rolled by our rets on saurfang
22:23.29Groktar:(
22:23.38arkanes_I was thinking that the pally can use wings to extend the chain longer
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22:23.56Groktardeathwish has a 2m cd
22:24.01arkanes_oh right that
22:24.11arkanes_yeah fury would be the way to go
22:24.40arkanes_whats the range on hysteria?
22:24.53Groktarwe could probably get 3 hysterias and 2 deathwishes from 2dks
22:25.13Groktarhysteria on the pull, deathwish when that runs out, have the second dk hysteria
22:25.23Groktarfury war's deatwish will be up at 2:30
22:25.35Groktarfirst dk's hysteria will be up at 3:00
22:25.51Groktarso you'd lost like 10 seconds from that last hysteria, but it would be close
22:26.31arkanes_huh when did they change the tricks glyph
22:26.35Groktaryou'd be looking at 1.5 minutes of downtime
22:27.01arkanes_maybe I'm just crazy
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22:27.23arkanes_glyphed tricks is 10 seconds
22:28.25NeoTronarkanes_: I have, honestly, no clue at all
22:28.42Groktarok, so have the rogues save their tricks for between the first deathwish and second hysteria
22:28.50Groktarwith two rogues that's 20 seconds there
22:28.55Groktaranother 20 seconds afterward
22:29.16silentium~seen zeksie
22:29.21purlzeksie <n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust23.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 44d 23h 54s ago, saying: '(enjoy)'.
22:29.33Groktarleaving 20 seconds before the next deathwish is up
22:29.35arkanes_NeoTron: in my experience, the vast majority of sub-par raiders are in nominally 25 man guilds, although they may not be able to fill rosters and end up running 10 mans
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22:29.54arkanes_NeoTron: when they consistently cant fill 25s they end up breaking up rather than transitioning to 10 mans
22:30.40nevcairielbecause they want to raid 25 in the first place
22:30.46arkanes_sure
22:32.29NeoTronI'm not talking as guilds as a whole but at progression guilds really. there are more 25 man guilds but very many of them are crap
22:34.10Groktarok, i figured out with two rogues and a 2dks buffing a warrior
22:34.15Groktaryou could get the 30% for the entire fight
22:34.16Groktarlol
22:34.17NeoTronspeaking as someone who did play a lot, always, and who tried 10 man, it just isn't sufficient amount of content (or rahter, it wasn't)
22:34.26arkanes_tricks is only 15, though
22:34.51arkanes_NeoTron: you mean you clear it too fast?
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22:36.47steevapparently i'm at 5649 gs, no idea what that means, but i guess its good since people always want 5k+
22:37.13Gnarfozit means nothing
22:37.15arkanes_I'm pretty sure it means your epeen runs at 5649 RPM
22:37.22GnarfozGroktar: why not use all cooldowns at once! :P
22:37.36Groktardw and hysteria don't stack
22:37.48arkanes_Groktar: neither does tricks!
22:37.55Gnarfoztricks sure does
22:38.03arkanes_no
22:38.08arkanes_well
22:38.19arkanes_the patch notes said no, I can't confirm it from independent testing
22:38.25Gnarfozpatch notes?
22:38.27Gnarfozwhat patch notes
22:38.34arkanes_3.1? I think?
22:38.43arkanes_when they made enrage effects in general not stack
22:38.50Gnarfoztricks is not one?
22:38.54arkanes_it is though
22:39.00Gnarfozthey changed MD to stack, like Tricks, what more proof do you need
22:39.11arkanes_the threat transfer stacks
22:39.20arkanes_not the damage buff
22:39.25Gnarfozwell, it's one buff
22:39.30Killmorehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32ThudZiwTY <--- worst UI ever ?!
22:39.35Gnarfoznot sure if they separated that out
22:39.42Killmorelook the recount O.o
22:39.43arkanes_there's a hidden one for the damage increase, I think
22:39.58arkanes_I haven't done personal testing, though, be worth looking into
22:41.26arkanes_Killmore: I had the marshal tucker band on my pandora and I thought I was hearing some awesome mash up with pink floyd
22:41.41arkanes_Mother is a wierd choice for a boss kill video
22:42.38steevarkanes_: gs doesn't actually matter on that toon, i don't pug anything but the daily on her
22:42.48arkanes_steev: I'm just teasin'
22:42.58steevs/on that toon,/-/
22:43.19steevi wonder
22:43.29arkanes_Gnarfoz: from the 3.1 patch notes: "Hysteria, Tricks of the Trade, Enrage, Wrecking Crew, Death Wish, Arcane Power, Owlkin Frenzy, Beast Within, and Avenging Wrath damage bonuses no longer stack together."
22:43.36steevs/i /I /,s/wonder/ Wonder/
22:43.48steevboo, no stringing
22:43.50Gnarfozarkanes: I see, that's too bad
22:44.02Gnarfozsteev: {}()? ^^
22:44.26Groktarhmm, tricks is 15% damage
22:44.57arkanes_Gnarfoz: never know if the patch notes are lies, though, test it!
22:44.57Groktaranyone know if it stacks with deathwish/hysteria/avenging wrath?
22:44.57arkanes_Groktar: ^
22:45.09Groktaroh, lol
22:45.12Groktarkkk
22:45.23Groktarslaps himself
22:46.37arkanes_steev: your mainly a DPS dk, right?
22:46.47steevarkanes_: during raids? yes
22:47.10arkanes_we have an underperforming one and I dont know the mechanics well enough to figure what she's doing wrong
22:47.23arkanes_what spec?
22:47.25steevwrong spec, wrong gear, wrong gems
22:47.48arkanes_she's tried both blood and DW frost, DW frost looked better but she said she prefers blood
22:47.51steevi'm unholy personally, but i'm familiar with all 3
22:48.04Fiskerhey Groktar
22:48.06Fiskeri'm looking at you
22:48.12steevarkanes_: have a parse?
22:48.15arkanes_let me get armory/world of logs, sec
22:48.18steevk
22:48.47Fiskeralmost Killmore
22:48.51NeoTronarkanes_: so her problem is that she's blood or frost. she needs to go unholy
22:48.55NeoTronand I'm not kidding either
22:49.03NeoTronUH is way better than the other two for dps nowadays
22:49.07arkanes_well we'll try that too
22:49.20NeoTronmaybe not the only problem but .. let me see
22:49.39NeoTronhttp://people.omnigroup.com/xmas/wow/Rotgut_DPS.png
22:49.41steevi'm just glad to see
22:49.55NeoTronthat's 25 man but still, compare unholy, blood and frost in that chart for the basic idea
22:50.09arkanes_http://worldoflogs.com/reports/jjhcl7xvxf8tedc8/details/6/?s=6982&e=7309
22:50.12steevis that frost 2h or frost dw
22:50.14arkanes_http://worldoflogs.com/reports/jjhcl7xvxf8tedc8/details/6/?s=4242&e=4569
22:50.30NeoTronsteev: it's "frost". but I think frost pretty much us DW if you want anything from it
22:50.31arkanes_thats our 2 best blood queen attempts, one as blood and one as dw frost
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22:50.54steevarkanes_: dc?
22:50.56steevlulz
22:51.14Groktardw frost is still pretty competitive
22:51.19steevyeah
22:51.30steevour dw frost dk went unholy the other day :(
22:51.39Groktarit's good to have one so you don't have to bring a shitty enh shaman
22:51.47steevarkanes_: wowarmory
22:51.51arkanes_steev: she got bit last every time so thats pretty much her standard list
22:52.09NeoTronGroktar: not according to top X in WoL at least
22:52.15arkanes_er, her standard DPS, without the artificial bite increase
22:52.18NeoTronof course most just use unholy because it's better
22:52.26Groktarwell, in our raids
22:52.30arkanes_http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Livngdedgirl
22:52.32Groktarour frost dk is competitive
22:52.37NeoTronarkanes_: to give you an idea, I do more dps on my dk than that
22:52.48Groktar9600 on saurfang this week
22:52.49Groktarheh
22:52.56Groktarhttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r8vfjifah9itgb2r/sum/damageDone/?s=6313&e=6513
22:52.58Groktarfureon is frost
22:52.59NeoTronhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostwolf&n=Morasia
22:53.02NeoTronwith that gear.
22:53.20Fiskerbtw ckknight
22:53.21NeoTronarkanes_: do you happen to have, say, saurfang logs?
22:53.21Fiskerhttps://us.battle.net/account/_images/game-boxes/en-GB/S2.jpg
22:53.38ckknightGIMMEH
22:53.57arkanes_http://worldoflogs.com/reports/lf4z5bwcya9q5al2/dashboard/?s=3214&e=3464
22:54.36NeoTronGroktar: it's all so funny - any dps dk can outdps my destro lock in just about most fights probably :P
22:54.49steevNeoTron: locks suck
22:54.57NeoTronyes, yes they do
22:55.05NeoTronat least aff and demo give something to the raid. I just suck
22:55.24NeoTronto reword it. my dps just sucks
22:55.29Groktaryeah locks are kinda sad atm
22:55.35arkanes_I leveled a lock to 60 back in the first weeks of wow, before the very first lock talent review
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22:55.53arkanes_and it was so traumatic that I have never played him again until the last week
22:55.56NeoTronand the sadder part is that the buffs they are coming out with buffs aff and demo more than destro and aff and demo are already ahead of destro
22:56.04NeoTronat least in theory, guess it remains to be seen in reality
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22:56.27NeoTronit's all because destro is to powerful burst dps in pvp
22:56.35steevarkanes_: in those 10 mans, are we assuming kings/might or sanc/might/drums?
22:56.38NeoTronthere's no other reason. they can't like buff our spells because they are afraid of the pew pew
22:56.42arkanes_kings/might
22:56.44Groktartwo viable specs really isn't bad
22:56.54arkanes_and its imp might
22:57.03steev...
22:57.15NeoTronGroktar: I hate demo rotation in general and affliction sucks worse than destruction if there's more than one target
22:57.16steevher gear is better than mine
22:57.30steevwell, no, shes still got a few 219s but still
22:57.32Groktarlol
22:57.38arkanes_she's got terrible boots and a bad belt
22:57.49arkanes_the rest is good, aside from that crummy trinket which she doesn't need as frost
22:58.04steev<Herbalism><Mining>
22:58.10NeoTronheh
22:58.15arkanes_I'm not sure what her 2h weapon is, it's either the blade of culling or the claymore from marrowgar
22:58.50steevi'm sure she makes phat cash though
22:58.54NeoTronGroktar: I've been considering testing affliction but I never liked it in general because of all the dots
22:59.11Groktarheh, wrong class then
22:59.15NeoTronI did destro in vanilla starting in tier 5 before it was clearly superior
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22:59.19NeoTronno not at all
22:59.20Repofix most sync problems
22:59.21Repofew other bugfixes and enhancements
22:59.22arkanes_I'll get her to drop herbalism and get JC
22:59.29NeoTronthere's a reason destruction is a spec
22:59.32arkanes_whats good besides JC, I guess BS?
22:59.37arkanes_thats sucky to level though :(
22:59.53NeoTronpeople saying "if you don't like to use 563836 dots don't play a warlock" needs LTP
23:00.16NeoTronarkanes_: well.. alchemy, engineering (most likely), LW.. they all basically have similar benefits
23:00.31NeoTronthey pretty much normalized the professions
23:00.36arkanes_I thought DKs hated haste
23:00.41Groktaryou're looking at immolate, corruption, ua, and coa/cod?
23:00.46steevjc and bs are best profs for dps dks, yes
23:00.53NeoTronhaunt
23:00.57steevbut engineering is decent (i'm not about to level it)
23:01.00Groktar5 dots?
23:01.02NeoTroncorruption having like a 10s duration
23:01.02Groktarok, that is gay
23:01.05Groktarlol
23:01.08arkanes_surely jc and bs aren't going to explain 1k+ dps though
23:01.12steevsomeone give me 13 primordial saronite
23:01.14NeoTronso it's renewed like all the fricking time
23:01.23NeoTronwhich btw is the same in demo :P
23:01.34NeoTronarkanes_: skill
23:01.38arkanes_NeoTron: yes
23:01.40NeoTronarkanes_: it's easy to fudge up dk dps
23:01.44arkanes_NeoTron: I'm trying to figure out what she's doing wrong :\
23:01.48steevarkanes_: really just drop herbalism and pick up jc would be fine
23:01.59arkanes_looking at her frost log, I see 13 howling blasts and only 10 rime procs, so theres a place to start
23:02.29NeoTrontrying not to get icy touch crits is a start.. :P
23:02.40NeoTrondo you need her as blood or frost for raid buff reasons?
23:02.52arkanes_no
23:02.57arkanes_well
23:02.58steevarkanes_: have her replace her legs
23:02.59NeoTrontry unholy then? :)
23:03.00arkanes_either brings something we don't have
23:03.13arkanes_but unholy would be fine too, we don't have the spell debufff either :P
23:03.21arkanes_steev: really? Those looked really good to me
23:03.24NeoTrondoes she have t10 yet?
23:03.29NeoTrondidn't check armory
23:03.32arkanes_no
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23:03.37NeoTron4xt9?
23:03.44steevshe's got plenty of expertise
23:03.47arkanes_she's got the shoulders and offset gloves
23:03.48steevquite plenty
23:03.50NeoTronin either case, before T10 the rotation is trivial
23:04.09NeoTronwell if she doesn't have at least 2t10 she should use 4xt9 without a doubt
23:04.50arkanes_I'll find out how many frosts she has and if she can get a second piece of t10
23:05.33steevarkanes_: only if she can afford it would i suggest she replaces the pants come to think of it
23:05.39steevthey will be *very* expensive
23:05.55arkanes_I was thinking dropping the trinket and getting the war token
23:05.56steevbut considering shes a weed picker and miner
23:06.13steevshe doesn't need hit
23:06.38arkanes_well as DW it still does something, which is more than the expertise does
23:06.49arkanes_and of course the AP is much better
23:06.51steevas dw, you need less hit than 2h
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23:07.48steevarkanes_: the question is - is she using the trinket
23:07.59arkanes_the on-use you mean?
23:08.22arkanes_good question
23:08.38steevlooks like she used it twice in the saurfang fight
23:08.41arkanes_looks like she is
23:08.54Gnarfoz<Groktar> it's good to have one so you don't have to bring a shitty enh shaman <-- I'm so happy we have an awesome enh shaman :D
23:09.50arkanes_we tend to be caster heavy so if she went unholy that'd probably be more raid benefit than the windfiry
23:09.57arkanes_ele shaman, mage, lock
23:10.06arkanes_vs her and a rogue for melee
23:10.28arkanes_is there a nublets intro to unholy single target DPS anywhere? All I know about is abusing pest for meters on faction champs
23:11.12NeoTronarkanes_: so she has 40 expertise. she needs 26. that's a lot of extra itemizations
23:11.16steevit, ps, bs, ss, bs, dc, (how/dc), ss, ss, ss, dc, dc
23:11.54steevi think i added an extra ss in there
23:12.01steevbut meh, overall its that
23:12.32steevunless she goes reapingless build, in which case, its it, ps, bs, ss, bs, dc, how/dc, bs, ss, bs or something
23:12.39arkanes_shes enchanting and gemming for hit
23:12.50arkanes_so if she got war totem, she could replace those too
23:13.54Megalonreaping only is a real dpsgain with 2t10 though
23:14.09steevi,,
23:14.10steevumm
23:14.18steevher meta isn't activated
23:14.27Megalonthat's always bad :D
23:14.30arkanes_it should be?
23:14.41steevi count 1 blue gem
23:14.45steevthe one shes using requires 2
23:14.58arkanes_oh its 21 crit
23:15.00arkanes_ouch
23:15.15arkanes_oka yeah we'll fix that
23:15.20arkanes_probably a messup from a gear swap
23:15.23Megalonshe has a purple one
23:15.26Megalonand a prismatic one
23:15.30Megalonso it is activated
23:15.38steevwhere is the purple?
23:15.46Megalonchest?
23:15.50Megalonor am I on the wrong armory profile
23:15.52steev+20 str?
23:15.53Megalonstr/sta
23:15.55arkanes_I'm pretty sure last I checked she had a purple gem somewhere
23:15.59Megalonok, wrong profile :D
23:16.11steevhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Livngdedgirl ?
23:16.26steevstr/hit is yello last i knew
23:16.33arkanes_orange
23:16.40arkanes_but yes, steev is correct
23:16.45Megalonwell, was looking at the wrong armory
23:16.45Megalon:O
23:17.08steeveither replace the meta gem, or drop a str/hit for a str/sta gem
23:17.08arkanes_oh, it was in her 2h
23:17.15arkanes_so she screwed it up when she went DW
23:17.25arkanes_okay we can fix that
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23:17.40Megalonand, just use the agi/3%crit
23:17.53steevsadly, Megalon is right
23:18.10steevalthough i use the 21 myself
23:18.17arkanes_I know for ret the loss from the 21 agi was less than the loss from a second blue gem back in naxx
23:18.22Megalonenhancement shamy is the only meleeclass I know off that uses the crit rating metagem
23:18.28steevi'm only 200ish dps behind the dk using shadow's edge - and i'm using Justicebringer
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23:19.09steevMegalon: as unholy, there's a point when using the 21 crit makes sense, but for the most part agi is fine
23:19.19arkanes_even without the meta she did better as frost
23:19.33arkanes_so I guess we should keep her as that or unholy?
23:19.47steevhow much arp did she have as blood? just 30%?
23:19.57arkanes_she had what she's wearing now
23:20.07steevi'm assuming the weapon had arp
23:20.28arkanes_if it was the blade of culling it did
23:20.37arkanes_she either has that or the citadel enforcers claymore, I'm not sure which
23:20.40steevyour guess is much better than mine :P
23:21.01arkanes_its the claymore
23:21.04arkanes_so no, no arp on the weapon
23:21.28steevsince the blood thread never really says at what point is decent arp to switch
23:21.39steevi don't know if ~32% is really all that good
23:22.05steevmaybe if she got the trinket from saurfang in 10/25?
23:22.25Primertalk about being way over cap for exp
23:22.47steevmaybe she likes to dps from the front
23:22.52steevin which case she's 16 short
23:23.34Primerlast time I did that I got cleaved
23:23.45steevshoulda gemmed for dodge
23:23.51arkanes_she was just at the cap as blood
23:23.55Groktarhas been hoarding dkp for his trinket
23:24.05arkanes_well, 30 I guess
23:24.08arkanes_little over
23:24.15Primermy main spec is tank
23:24.17Fiskercome with me Groktar
23:24.24Primernot used to going behind the boss
23:24.38arkanes_oh hmm, armory doesnt include her racial expertise
23:24.40arkanes_never mind
23:24.41steevGroktar: don't do it, itsatrap
23:24.55arkanes_steev: you really think she should replace the legs before the trinket?
23:25.09Primerseems I logged in DPS gear: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Kaká
23:25.38steevarkanes_: nah
23:25.46PrimerGreatness is still 3rd BiS DK DPS trinket?
23:25.51steevno
23:25.52Primerseems so many DKs still use it
23:25.57arkanes_rawr says it is
23:26.01steevits way down at the bottom
23:26.03steevignore rawr
23:26.10arkanes_but yeah I never trust that thing
23:26.14steevif your guild is like ours
23:26.21steevand death's verdict doesn't like to drop
23:26.26arkanes_not once yet!
23:26.32steevsame :(
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23:27.13steevits still fine to use
23:27.29steevuntil you get wfs/saurafangtrink
23:27.46Primerwhat is wfs?
23:28.03arkanes_whisperfang skull
23:28.03steevwhispering fanged skull
23:28.07arkanes_that doesn't drop either :(
23:28.11steevdoes too
23:28.13steevi has it
23:28.16arkanes_lies
23:28.24steevhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sen%27jin&cn=Steev&gn=Cult+of+the+Dead+Cow
23:28.36arkanes_I can't heeeaaar you
23:29.17steevi get almost, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLMOOOOOOOOOST 50% crit in 25s
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23:29.26steevi'm normally at like 48.95%
23:29.56steevi like that trinket just because of the animation
23:30.38arkanes_okay so
23:30.43PrimerI have that one hit trinket in my DPS set...if I didn't I'd be SOO under hit
23:31.13steevPrimer: if you're alliance and you have a draenei who raids with you... you can drop to 231 hit
23:31.15arkanes_fix the meta, drop the trinket, drop herbalism for JC
23:31.42arkanes_I dont know if she has any banked trickets, if not get a +hit badge one and replace all the hit gems and enchant
23:32.00steevyes
23:32.12Primersteev: except I understand the DK hit cap is the spell hit cap, 286
23:32.18Primersince IT is a spell
23:32.55Primerbut yeah, we usually raid with at least 3 shams, and they're all Draenei by definition
23:33.09Primerone of our pally tanks is Draenei as well
23:33.12steevso go 263
23:33.22Primerwe usually have one in each group
23:33.26steevthat will keep you at spell hit
23:35.07PrimerDo you toggle "use" trinkets manually?
23:35.12Primeror do you have them macro'd?
23:35.35steevi toggle them manually on the toons i have that have use macros
23:35.42Primerit seems it'd make sense to use them on heroism, to get the full effect, but it'd suck to have to toggle them all the time
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23:37.12chiperok, silly question I know, but bigwigs and DBM all have warnings for when Ony hit's 30%, right?
23:37.28arkanes_chiper: you mean when she lands? Yes
23:37.33chiperok, I thought so
23:37.38arkanes_I think theres a blizzard raid alert, too
23:37.57chiperhttp://epicadvice.com/questions/4684/how-does-a-t9-hunter-survive-onyxias-landing-after-p2/
23:38.06arkanes_Primer: on my toons that have 2 minute cooldowns I macro them with that, otherwise I trigger them manually
23:38.45arkanes_chiper: perhaps the answer needs to be "don't be a braindead huntard"
23:39.05chiperyeah, that's pretty much what we all said
23:39.22arkanes_the landing itself is a threat wipe and the pickup is clunky
23:39.33arkanes_so if he were doing his job he'd be MDing to the tank anyway
23:39.33Primerand it's 40%
23:39.59arkanes_since between healing and dot aggro and positioning, getting under control can be messy
23:40.26arkanes_if he somehow broke his MD button he should be feinging and not being cleaved, for a hunter of all things to ask that question is just crazy
23:40.43arkanes_at least a warlock or something has an excuse
23:40.45chiperprimer: is it 40?  I couldn't remember
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23:40.55chiperI asked a friend and he couldnt remember either
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23:41.28arkanes_I wonder if we could phase her before she takes off during p2
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23:41.39arkanes_and what would happen if we did
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23:50.08arkanes_wtf, she does have the blade of culling
23:50.12arkanes_why isn;t she using that
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23:59.38steevmaybe she has it for her tank set?

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