IRC log for #wowace on 20100122

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00:01.56NechcknDowngrade to 3.5 version, yoshimo
00:02.56yoshimoah ok, was wondering why it didnt sell any more
00:05.12NechcknGo vote - http://www.wowace.com/addons/dropthecheapestthing/tickets/5-error-with-autosell-in-any-version-past-3-5/   =)
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00:06.52yoshimobeen there done that ^^
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00:08.09NechcknWhat you could try would be to rename any settings file under WTF
00:08.28NechcknThen try the "new" one and see if it works
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00:09.00NechcknSince there is some reason why there are a few folks seeing the issue, but most, apparently, do not.
00:09.17NechcknEither way, up to you if it works, it works.
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00:27.28BWMerlinWhen ever I go to curse and browse the addons and see a spam message in the comments i report it and get an email when someone at curse deletes the spam but today i woke up with a tone of emails from addons that I never visited and reported spam
00:27.32BWMerlinanyone know why?
00:32.57NechcknIs it for the same person's name?
00:33.27Nechcknyou know, like you reported Joe for spam on one - but you see them for all the AddOns where Joe posted his crap?
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00:38.36Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1207 / (2 files in 2 directories): - Updated base value retrieval script
00:38.38Repo- Fixed Paladin base healing/damage increase values
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00:51.09BWMerlinNechckn: it does seem that way
01:07.32Repo10chocolatebar: 03yess * r102 ChocolateBar (4 files in 3 directories): added option to set the icon size.
01:07.50Repofixed options do not open with healbot installed, ticket #30
01:10.29GagorianShadowed: Holy Light +5, but r8 +6, r11 +4
01:10.47ShadowedLevel difference before it downranks Gagorian ?
01:11.00GagorianThis is about as fun as pouring salt in my eye.. on top of that I had to spam with a prot pally :D
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01:11.29Shadowedhahah
01:11.32GagorianShadowed: Aye. Using the (22 + spellLevel + value - level)/20 formula
01:11.39Gagorianvalue being the values I've given you
01:11.39Shadowedhuh
01:11.44ShadowedThat's fun
01:11.49Shadoweds/fun/"fun"
01:13.02GagorianThere doesn't seem to be any real easy way to do it except just spam every rank, since there seems to be exceptions in most spells
01:16.51GagorianAre you planning on implementing the rank specific thingies into LHC?
01:18.26WobWorkGagorian: So why -are- you researching it? =)
01:18.32Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1208 / (2 files in 2 directories): - Added Flash of Light and Holy Light downrank modifiers
01:18.50GagorianWobWork: Because I'm a masochist
01:18.57WobWorkoh
01:18.59WobWorkwell, carry on
01:19.10WobWorkand make sure you wipe down the channel when you're done
01:19.11GagorianI didn't plan on doing so but seems like I enjoy the suffering cause I can't stop
01:19.50Gagorian.. That's the problem with doing this, I can't stop until something is exactly correct :P
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01:55.46Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1209 Data (5 files in 1 directory): - 4p T10 Moonkin ticks 2 times
01:55.48Repo- 4p T9 Elemental ticks 3 times
01:55.59ShadowedGagorian: Not sure yet
01:56.16ShadowedAt a certain point, I should
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02:11.00Repo10chocolatebar: 03yess * r103 / (2 files in 2 directories): added limit for manual entry's to the icon size option
02:24.18Repo10stack-watch: 03raegx * r12 core.lua: StackWatch:
02:24.20Repo-Changed default watch and enabled status
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02:40.21Repo10stack-watch: 03raegx * r13 StackWatch.toc: StackWatch:
02:40.23Repo-toc update, missed from last commit
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03:08.23Repo10stack-watch: 03raegx * r14 core.lua: StackWatch:
03:08.25Repo-Added ability to change notification message
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03:11.38Repo10stack-watch: 03raegx 04v1.2 * r15 :  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
03:11.40RepoStackWatch:
03:11.42Repo-toc update
03:11.42Repo-added ability to modify notification message
03:11.44Repo-removed slash command
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03:15.44digmousemy chatzilla channel tabs are gone :(
03:18.06quiescens):
03:18.13quiescens/pat
03:28.27steevwoot!
03:28.31steevi won the blood
03:28.40steevalso, hit exalted so yay
03:29.08Silowyican elitistgroup tell if someone is below the crit cap for defense?
03:29.25Shadowedno, stat scanning is too much of a bitch
03:29.31Silowyihmm
03:29.50WobWorkShadowed: I would totally love that =(
03:29.50Silowyiwas trying to figure out why this tank's damage profile was like 4k, 4k, 5k, 6k, 20k, 4k,...
03:29.57WobWorkShadowed: even if it were a module
03:30.13ShadowedWobWork: Eh I have other priorities :p
03:30.25ShadowedIf I do it, I'll just write my own module for it
03:30.30Shadoweder tooltip scanning library
03:30.31Silowyiso I'm healing this DK in pit of saron, and he's taking around 3k-4k HPS to keep up
03:30.41WobWorkis he in frost presence? =)
03:30.42ShadowedCause the ones that are currently out there aren't very good from what i remember
03:30.48Silowyiso I checked and he wasn't using death strike.
03:30.54WobWorkwell, that's fine
03:30.56ShadowedWhat really sucks about checking crit cap, are talents
03:31.00WobWorkif I'm a frost tank, I hardly use it
03:31.04Shadowed@project ratingbuster
03:31.05WobWorkunless the healer is otherwise occupied
03:31.05RepoShadowed: No project found that matches 'ratingbuster'
03:31.10Shadowed@project rating-buster
03:31.11RepoShadowed: http://www.wowace.com/addons/rating-buster/. RatingBuster. Game: WoW. Whitetooth (Manager/Author). Updated: 10 days ago. Tickets: 16/73
03:31.14SilowyiI asked him to use death strike to heal himself occasionally, and man... you would have thought I insulted his mom
03:31.24ShadowedCause it means a lot more extra junk to keep track of
03:31.33WobWorkMY MOTHER WAS A DEATH-STRIKE YOU INSENSITIVE BASTARD
03:32.15ShadowedErk yea, LibStatLogic-1.1 does way too much
03:32.19Silowyisorry but when 4k HPS is required to keep your ass alive in any five man you're not a good tank :P
03:32.39WobWorkSilowyi: oh I know =)
03:32.53WobWorkmy main is resto shammy
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03:34.13Silowyihe was tanking as unholy though too
03:34.43Silowyinot going to say that's good or bad, just that it's very unusual
03:35.54Silowyiah yeah, he's not defense capped
03:36.01Silowyirolls eyes
03:36.29ArrowmasterShadowed: i would guess that the new item stats commands, although flakey and dont work on everything, would atleast catch all defense since it always shows up the exact same way
03:36.48ShadowedArrowmaster: The stats command doesn't catch enchants and such I believe?
03:36.59Arrowmasterno clue about that
03:37.09ShadowedThink I have a defense chant lesse
03:37.22Brunerswho of you are good with shell scripts
03:37.34Arrowmasterhides
03:37.36ShadowedYea not defense
03:37.50Shadoweder not enchants
03:37.59ShadowedSo not very useful
03:38.21ShadowedI could probably write a very generic parser that just looks at defense, but eh
03:38.46SilowyiI really don't understand why someone's paperdoll stats aren't available when inspecting them
03:39.01ShadowedMore data to send that they don't need to
03:39.23SilowyiI guess so
03:39.28ShadowedThey already optimized out sending gems so
03:39.36Silowyibut it seems since they send the talents and the gear and the enchants, et. al. it should be easy
03:39.47Shadowedthey aren't directly
03:39.54ShadowedGems get sent after you request an inspect, as do talents
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03:40.03Silowyihmm
03:40.03Shadowedenchants and itemid are the only thing they send all the time
03:40.05Brunersso, im trying to write a script to adjust my fanspeed, http://www.pastey.net/131787 the aliases work but are kinda lame, when i try to run my fanspeed i get the error at the bottom, fix plx
03:40.29SilowyiShadowed: I meant on inspection though :) I'm not sure why the default UI doesn't have paperdoll stats on inspection
03:40.39Silowyiunless they just don't want to make it easy for pvp or something
03:40.42ShadowedProbably don't care enough to add it
03:40.48ShadowedYou can't inspect enemies who are flgged
03:40.51Silowyipossibly
03:40.51Shadowedso no PVP issues
03:40.59WobWorkprobably arena =P
03:41.02Arrowmasterenchants and gems are a part of the itemlink so its always correct, although the tooltip displaying things like sets and metagems is iffy
03:41.28SilowyiI keep waiting for WoW to put some sort of armory interface into the game
03:41.29ShadowedArrowmaster: No, gems are not always correct :p
03:41.48Arrowmasterexcept for the minor race condition they are
03:41.59Shadowednot a minor race condition I assure you
03:42.06ShadowedThe client has the itemid and enchants immediately on NotifyInspect, it takes 0.10s-1s for gems to be "sent"
03:42.36ShadowedIt actually likely is being sent, since calling NotifyInspect twice immediately doesn't fix it
03:42.51ArrowmasterBruners: i dont think you need the \'s before the "'s in the function
03:43.20ArrowmasterShadowed: ok then thats just fucked up
03:43.24Shadowedit is!
03:43.34ShadowedIt's quite fun to handle, they don't give any events when gem data is available so you poll and pray
03:43.42Arrowmasteri guess maybe the client already knows about the items because it has to show the models
03:43.50Shadowedand enchants cause it has to show the glow
03:44.02ShadowedI think it was the Examiner author who said they used to send gems immediately, then stopped in 3.1
03:44.36SilowyiI just wish they'd put in a fix for raid buff events when two classes are bringing the same buff/aura/totem
03:45.09SilowyiI think that's what's killing me in Icecrown.
03:45.40Silowyi(though at this point I really don't know since I've replaced the entire computer, every addon, deleted cache, etc...)
03:45.47Silowyieven my router >.>
03:49.27IngelaZzzZZ mining is the worst
03:49.30GnarfozSilowyi: I don't think that ever stopped being a problem, it all started when they consolidated the buffs :\
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03:50.35Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1210 / (2 files in 2 directories):
03:50.37Repo- Modified base damage/heal increase formula to fit the new method (Something like this was actually in place earlier, then Blizzard changed it and now changed it back to what it was)
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03:53.52SilowyiGnarfoz: Well it really sucks when a computer that bottoms out at 45 FPS outside the eventide bank in Dalaran during prime time at max graphics has stuttering so bad that Icecrown 25 man is unplayable.
03:54.13GnarfozI've not reached "unplayable", yet, but the difference is stupid
03:54.26Gnarfozdefinitely "unable to use fraps" :(
03:54.38SilowyiGnarfoz: especially when I can delete all my addons and set the graphics to 800x600 at full "performance" mode and only notice about a 5 FPS increase :P
03:55.22Raydenwhy is a character name unavailable, but it doesn't show up on the armory?
03:55.30SilowyiRayden: only lvl 10+ show up in armory
03:55.37Raydenboo
03:55.40Raydenno Volksworgen for me
03:55.56SilowyiRayden: placeholding for Cata?
03:56.04Raydensort of
03:56.21Raydeni have no intention of rolling a worgen as it would have to be alliance
03:56.23Raydenbut i like the name
03:56.24Rayden:P
03:56.35SilowyiPC wants to restart for windows update... so yeah...
03:56.41Silowyibbl8r
03:56.52BrunersArrowmaster: meh, for some reason my file didn't get sourced after i had edited
03:57.10Arrowmasterwhat is it?
03:57.27Arrowmasterpart of your .bashrc or something?
03:57.28Brunersworked with ' ' instead of \" \"
03:57.54Brunersi sourced .zshrc which loads my alias.rc
03:58.17Arrowmasteroh zsh
03:58.45Arrowmasteri was going to say i was fairly certain if [ $1 ] ; was wrong for bash and sh
04:00.02Brunersstupid auto shit on the aticard has the card running on 80C
04:00.31Brunershad the same problem in windows
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04:02.38Arrowmasteridle or under load?
04:03.02Brunersidle
04:03.08Arrowmasterwtf
04:03.34Brunersthe power of ati
04:03.55Arrowmastermy nvidia is like 52C right now with it automatically set to 40% fan speed
04:04.57Bruners54C here now at 40%
04:04.57Funkeh`sounds like your card is fucked
04:05.12Funkeh`it's supposed to clock down the core clock, not just the fan
04:05.14Brunerssounds like the auto shit is fucked
04:05.22Funkeh`what card are you running
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04:05.27Brunershd4870
04:05.41Brunershave read million posts about people having the same issues
04:05.52Funkeh`:<
04:06.06Funkeh`hope it's fixed in 5x since i have a 5770 on order
04:06.12ArrowmasterFunkeh`: except the clocking down never works anymore now that desktop environments are 3d accelerated, mines currently in its middle setting but often its fully clocked
04:06.17Funkeh`Cosindering that's a boasted feature
04:06.20Brunerswas a pain in the ass before they added manual fan control in the drivers
04:06.29Brunershad to make profiles and load them each time i booted
04:07.10Brunersit does kill X if i forgot to turn up the fan :P
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04:07.18Funkeh`Arrowmaster, I don't know much about nV but the 5x series was supposed to clock to usage iirc
04:07.29Funkeh`Ati 5x
04:07.34Bruners5x are better than 4x
04:07.41Brunersuses far less power
04:07.42Funkeh`i fucking hope so :D
04:07.44Zerninanyone know of a library that will let me look up an item source by itemID (or name, if neccecary)
04:07.47Arrowmastermine just jumped to fully clock
04:08.25Arrowmasterits got 3 levels for gpu/memory 300/100 400/300 648/1188
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04:12.12digmouseBruners: try ATI tray Tools if you are using a AMD card
04:12.47digmouseand I'm using the EVGA freq tool for my Zotac GTX260
04:13.07Brunersiirc thats a windows tool ?
04:16.00Brunersif anyone care my completed script http://www.pastey.net/131788
04:16.24pompygg blizz, http://worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/22748795501-blood-queen-25-despawned.html
04:17.18quiescensyou're clearly supposed to kill both of them in one sitting
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04:20.24quiescensyou may as well go and make a background thingy to try to keep the temperature where you want it
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04:29.06Repo10boss-notes: 03tatechen * r272 Locales/Locale-zhTW.lua: Update Chinese Translation
04:31.37steevrofl!
04:31.51steevone of our rogues used killing spree on the Val'kyr Herald
04:31.58steevand fell down the hole
04:35.05Brunersdid this guy just post his password to the internet? http://github.com/jhelwig/rc-files/blob/master/gitconfig#L41
04:36.33steevouch!
04:37.31steevBruners: i'm not gonna find out
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04:39.59WobWorkBruners: oh dear
04:44.21arkanesso we switched from 3 tanks to 2 tanks for princes
04:44.25arkanesand omg it is so much smoother
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04:59.28Repo10boss-notes: 03tatechen * r273 Locales/Locale-zhTW.lua: Traditional-Chinese Translation update
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05:34.15quiescenso.o
05:45.56Repo10boss-notes: 03tatechen * r274 Locales/Locale-zhTW.lua: Traditional-Chinese update
05:47.46PrimerAnyone know if it's possible to make a /castsequence that doesn't care if one of the casts is on cooldown?
05:48.08Primerand will just cast them in sequence regardless?
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05:52.07quiescenscastsequence will always stop if a spell fails to cast
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06:05.47Primerthat sucks
06:06.21Primerthere needs to be an option to allow that
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06:12.40quiescensits presumably intentional
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06:31.55Repo10elitistgroupsender: 03Shadowed 07master * ba65b29 / (16 files in 3 directories): [new, +2 commits]
06:31.57Repoba65b29: Added .pkgmeta
06:31.58Repo7e8e275: Initial commit, everything seems to be working
06:32.06Repo10elitistgroupsender: 03Shadowed 04v1.0 * f0d6660 /: [new tag] Tagging as release 1.0
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06:36.47asmodaiAnd here I was wondering about any EG updates from Shadowed ;)
06:36.55ShadowedThat's not really an EG update
06:37.10Shadowedthat's just so people can still take advantage of the main or remote requests without running the full client
06:37.24ShadowedWhich happens to fall into a feature I'll be adding next to EG
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06:46.27asmodaiShadowed: But still, you got an update ready every wrt SUF or EG ^^
06:46.51ShadowedEG will slow down a bit at this point
06:47.03ShadowedShouldn't be tagging new releases daily anymore
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06:50.25sylvanaargood morning
06:54.42asmodaimorning syl :)
06:54.44asmodaiShadowed: heheeh
06:57.03asmodaiIt's stable! Ship it.
06:58.49orionshockgood morning all
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06:59.29orionshock@describe elitistgroupsender
06:59.30Repoorionshock: http://www.wowace.com/addons/elitistgroupsender/. ElitistGroupSender. Simple addon that sends EG gear/main data without running the full client
07:01.32Repo10lockdots: 03Xocide 07master * 0ff610c / (3 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits]
07:01.33Repo0ff610c: More things to do with the options.
07:01.34Repo98e63ec: More options stuff...
07:01.35Repo4cc90a2: Started on the options stuff...
07:04.53Repo10lockdots: 03Xocide 04v0.1 * e28722d /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.1
07:05.39asmodaigoes to the salt mines
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07:26.17Repo10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.6.1-3-g8d95253 modules (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Added /eg reset, will reset all user data and notes, not listed in /eg help right now
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07:40.48Repo10spamalyzer (experimental): 03Torhal 07master * ec27e3e / (15 files in 2 directories): [new, +1 commit] Mostly the skeleton of an AddOn, though configuration and localization layout is mostly complete and working.
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08:00.48Shadowed@describe spamalyzer
08:01.58Arrowmasterits 3am
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08:02.36Arrowmastertry now
08:03.20Shadowedoh hah repo had just left
08:03.26Shadowed@describe spamalyzer
08:03.36Shadowedoh well
08:03.39Shadowedgoes off to sleep
08:03.59Arrowmasteryes the server reboots every day at 3am eastern
08:04.03Shadowedahhh
08:04.33Arrowmasterbecause kaelten bandaided it instead of fixing the real problem
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08:11.59Repo10grid2: 03jerry * r321 modules/StatusAuras.lua: Initialize Aura texture for "missing" aura status.
08:12.02RepoFix Ticket-83
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08:16.11digmouseRepo ++ Recently Bandaged
08:16.13Repo10grid2: 03jerry * r322 / (2 files in 2 directories): Update deDE. Thanks Vilogity (Ticket-84)
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08:19.44asmodaiArrowmaster: At least it takes away the pain of the weekend for now ;)
08:20.41nevcairielit finds other reasons to break on weekends ;)
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08:21.11orionshockwhat's expertise cap?
08:22.59nevcairieltank or dps?
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08:25.12nevcairielthe soft-cap for dodge is 26 expertise, iirc .. thats 214 rating, or so
08:26.01nevcairielthat is 6.5%
08:26.12nevcairielparry is 14%, or 56, or 460 rating
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08:36.39orionshocknevcairiel, for dps
08:37.43nevcairielthe softcap then
08:40.37orionshock25 will do :)
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08:46.07TorhalMeh. Yet another project-to-be nuked because it's designed for a private server.
08:46.58Brunershow do you know it's for a private server?
08:47.02asmodaiTorhal: eh?
08:47.21Torhal"Neverendless Arena Unit Frames are unit frames designed to work on the Neverendless-WoW server."
08:49.49RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/elitistgroupsender/. ElitistGroupSender. Shadowed (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
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08:50.40RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/smartres2/. SmartRes2. myrroddin (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
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09:04.00Repo10grid2: 03jerry * r323 Options/GridMedia.lua: Fix SharedMedia handling.
09:04.02RepoFixes Ticket-80 adn Ticket-39
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09:05.17Fiskeri'm fucking awesome Bruners
09:05.28BrunersFisker: i know
09:05.59asmodaiYou are fucking 'awesome Bruners'?
09:08.00Fiskeri may hate you
09:08.46Fiskerbut i soloed a 5-man quest
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09:11.33nevcairielShefki: did the reports of #132 with chinchilla disappear with the new texture?
09:11.37mitch0idling in the nelf starter area again fisker? :P
09:13.36Fiskerno?
09:14.20mitch0I was trying to hint at your completing a 5-man lowbie quest with your 80 pala, but I guess it's too early for subtle jokes
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09:14.53Fiskeri want to play mass effect 2
09:14.59Fiskerbut it's huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuueg
09:16.18Groktarmitch0s Fisker
09:16.47asmodaiFisker: What's that? Illegal acquisition?
09:17.24nevcairiel~seen ethancentauri
09:17.25purli haven't seen 'ethancentauri', nevcairiel
09:17.36nevcairiel~seen ethancentaurai
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09:22.38Repo10minimapster: 03Ammo * r48 / (2 files in 2 directories):
09:22.40Repo- attempt to prevent #132 errors by using a better square mask
09:22.41Repo- toc to the hand
09:22.54Repo10spamalyzer (experimental): 03Torhal 07master * 7e85bcc / (3 files in 2 directories): [+7 commits] (3 truncated)
09:22.55Repo7e85bcc: Added plus/minus icons for the tooltip.
09:22.56Repo7172dfa: Populated embeds.xml so the packaged AddOn will load properly.
09:22.58Repo0413195: Updated DISPLAY_VALUES with new strings.
09:22.59Repo70523cc: Added four more localization strings.
09:24.06Fiskernaw asmodai
09:24.09Fiskercompletely legal
09:24.47asmodaiOh, US download?
09:24.56asmodaihas his own preorder for next week or so
09:27.02KalrothI'm sure Fisker is being sarcastic
09:27.42asmodaiKalroth: I hope not.
09:27.47KalrothConsidering it's not being released before the 26th
09:27.55asmodaiKalroth: I know. :)
09:28.01asmodaiGood games need to be supported.
09:28.27Kalrothand Razor1911 released it yesterday, so :p
09:28.38Kalrothpirates being more efficient than the industry!
09:30.58orionshockthis is f'ed up
09:31.20orionshockarmory says it can export the calendar to google calendar, but it dosn't actually work
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09:39.17orionshockShadowed, how does EG detect that a DK is a blood spec tank?
09:40.03Repo10minimapster: 03Ammo 04r48-release * r49 : Tagging as r48-release
09:40.08Torhalorionshock: Methinks he went to bed.
09:40.14orionshockprolly
09:40.39Brunersa dk can tank in any spec really :P
09:41.02orionshockBruners, yes, but specifically what does eg cue off for a blood spec tank
09:41.17Kuosidk can tank in any spec and will equally suck in all of em
09:41.44Fiskeryou wouldn't call me  a pirate Kalroth
09:41.50Fiskeri hate libel
09:41.53orionshockKuosi, none of that, there is plenty of hate but keep it on the blizz forums :P
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09:42.47Kuosi:D
09:43.03asmodai@project shadowedunitframes
09:43.18Repoasmodai: No project found that matches 'shadowedunitframes'
09:43.43Torhal!project shadowed-unit-frames
09:43.48Torhal@project shadowed-unit-frames
09:43.50RepoTorhal: http://www.wowace.com/addons/shadowed-unit-frames/. Shadowed Unit Frames. Game: WoW. Shadowed (Manager/Author). Updated: 2 days ago. Tickets: 3/36
09:44.05asmodaiah, dashes
09:44.09asmodaioh lord:
09:44.11asmodaiKinetic Bombs no longer aggro Blood Queen Lana’thel during the Blood Princes encounter.
09:44.15asmodaiThat would suck
09:44.23asmodaiIf you managed to pull her in too XD
09:44.45orionshockhehe
09:44.51kandarzfuck, 2h 53m remaining
09:45.05orionshockthe servents before moroes used to aggro to the first boss in kara
09:45.08orionshockquite funny tbh
09:45.13yoshimokinetic bombs are those used in the council encounter?^^
09:45.20asmodaiyea
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09:45.35asmodaiSo there you are beating one boss
09:45.39asmodaiand another joins the fray!
09:45.45asmodaiWoops, no more tanks
09:45.52Kuosijust the blood prince council is too trivial
09:45.55Kuosineed some challenge
09:46.04yoshimowell asmodai, you should get an achievement like earth&wind&fire for that ;)
09:46.51Kuosicould say you have decent raid dps if you did that!
09:47.01asmodai@project elitistgroup
09:47.03Repoasmodai: http://www.wowace.com/addons/elitistgroup/. Elitist Group. Game: WoW. Shadowed (Manager/Author), Antiarc (Maintainer). Updated: 2 hours ago. Tickets: 6/81
09:47.50kandarzhey, is it possible to get an objects name for when you're looting it? for linking items in a chest or something. Would I have to monitor the tooltip
09:49.18asmodaiWe have announced our plans to add a rating system to the Battlegrounds to bring back much better rewards and premade teams for Cataclysm.
09:50.15asmodaikandarz: Can't do GetItemInfo() on the item in the loot frame?
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09:50.25yoshimoim waiting for this . I just dont see how that will work in alterac or ioc ;)
09:51.56asmodaiI'm surprised how people made it through TBC respeccing and paying gold every time. I already find it annoying I cannot have a PvP spec next to my damage and healing specs for raids. >_<
09:53.06yoshimowell my bg spec is the same as for raids, holy. Which works quite well. The problem are those players which prefer to flame the bgchat instead of playing
09:54.53asmodaiMy talent spec would need some changes to become more viable in PvP
09:55.55orionshockpeople that respeced for pvp and raiding where idiot IMO
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09:57.00orionshockit kinda defeated the point of having a role in a group by respecing so much so often.
09:57.36kandarzasmodai: I'm looking for the name of the object looting from, not item names. Example: "Deathbringer's Cache", "Gunship Armory", etc
09:57.38yoshimowell, in my battlegroup, people thank you if you heal them as holy paladin...
09:58.27yoshimoI still think there should be some event telling you the source of the loot. It was even suggested in the UI forums i think
09:59.00orionshockkandarz, scan the tooltip constantly and when the LOOT_OPEN event fires grab the last known value, should be the object.
09:59.59asmodaikandarz: Ah sorry, misunderstood
10:01.03kandarzkinda pissed, world of raids featured an addon just like mine except worse, so now I feel like I should make it usable by others
10:02.22asmodaikandarz: Which is that?
10:02.53kandarzhttp://www.wowace.com/addons/loot-council/ http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/lootcouncil-lite/
10:03.07Fiskerkisses asmodai
10:05.00kandarzorionshock: which method would you suggest to go about monitoring the gametooltip?
10:05.51orionshockone of the cursor events
10:06.09asmodaiFisker: eep
10:06.45Fiskerwhy?
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10:09.47kandarzwould objects qualify as units to UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT?
10:10.08asmodaiFisker: I should ask you that!
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10:14.27Fiskerstop lying to me asmodai
10:15.54Brunerskandarz: is it the same addon ?
10:16.15BrunersFisker: do you play HoN?
10:16.39Fiskeri wouldn't
10:16.54kandarzBruners: no
10:17.24kandarzBruners: the first one I wrote for my guild, the second was the one featured on world of raids today
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10:21.16asmodaiWhitetooth_!
10:21.26asmodaiThat reminds me
10:22.14asmodaiWhitetooth_: I had extended your youarentinapartyfix with a minor thing.
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10:23.16asmodaiheh
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10:23.24asmodaiWill the real Whitetooth please stand up?
10:23.41Whitetooth^^b
10:24.37asmodaiWhitetooth: back when GearScore was screwing up wrt people not being in a guild and dumping "You are not in a guild" every time the character frame was opened, I added a small piece to your youarentinapartyfix addon.
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10:24.57asmodaiWhitetooth: Would that also be nice to add to the app to track which addon is screwing up?
10:25.54Whitetoothoh I didn't notice, doesn't it already do that?
10:26.10Repo10spamalyzer (experimental): 03Torhal 07master * e48503a / (5 files in 1 directory): [+6 commits] (2 truncated)
10:26.12Repoe48503a: Hooked SendAddonMessage() - calls StoreMessage() if the type is "WHISPER".
10:26.13Repod3952a7: Re-named Spamalyzer:AddMessage() to StoreMessage().
10:26.14Repo5ff3473: Removed some unneeded code.
10:26.15Repo2094662: Utilized the AddOn-wide namespace to pull in the KNOWN_PREFIXES from Prefixes.lua and embedded AceHook-3.0
10:26.17asmodaiWhitetooth: Nope.
10:27.37Whitetoothwhat do you mean by tracking, currently it tells you what addon is doing it
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10:28.05asmodaiExactly that :)
10:28.35Whitetooth"/yaiap" enables tracking
10:29.18asmodaiWhitetooth: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/164238/
10:29.31WhitetoothI haven't checked on that addon, thought they fixed it in 3.3
10:29.44asmodaiI am still not sure if that if statement needs additional parenthesis.
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10:30.19asmodaiWhitetooth: Well, GearScore screwed up in one updated, every time the character frame was opened it showed that not in guild message. So using your addon with this minor tweak was helpful in tracking it :)
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10:32.09winkillergearscore should never have been published
10:33.06asmodaiwinkiller: aside from that
10:33.18asmodaiGetting tired of the GS 5k+ messages XD
10:33.21BWMerlin^^^^
10:33.23BWMerlinthat
10:33.25BWMerlin>.<
10:33.27winkillerI have no clue about mine :)
10:33.34winkillerand I don't plan to change it
10:34.02yoshimoyou arent in a guild/raid/party should all be hidden by yaiap , and the debug mode telling you who is the offender
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10:34.11BWMerlini have a fear that by the time i reach 5k ppl will raise the bar and i will forever been stuck and told "your gs isnt high enough for this raid"
10:34.33Caleb|you get over 5k buy just doing heroics
10:34.41Caleb|from pure badge gear
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10:35.35BWMerlinmy prot warrior is 497x to get to 5k would make him worst because the only upgrade is ick's thumb
10:36.44asmodaiyoshimo: yes, but the guild thinghy wasn't in yaiap, hence my question to Whitetooth if it should be added :)
10:36.48Whitetoothasmodai: so it works? I'd add the parenthesis just to be clear
10:36.57asmodaiWhitetooth: yeah, worked for me at least :D
10:37.39Whitetoothok, I'll do some testing then add it
10:38.08Repo10grid2: 03jerry * r324 modules/StatusAuras.lua: Fix Typo. (Ticket-85)
10:39.38asmodaiWhitetooth: cool :)
10:39.51asmodaiWhitetooth: makes it a one stop addon to point to for such issues
10:40.20yoshimoif yaiaps debug mode returns a prefix in debug mode, can you tell for sure that this addon is doing something wrong?
10:42.12Whitetoothwell you can disable it and see
10:42.56yoshimoso you have to recheck=
10:42.57yoshimo?
10:43.33Whitetoothonly way to make sure :p
10:45.31asmodaiBut still, better than checking 70+ addons
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10:51.25Repo10classtimer: 03Stanzilla * r328 Bars (3 files in 1 directory):
10:51.27RepoAdd Blade Barrier for DKs, Clearcasting for Mages and Envenom for Rogues.
10:52.33yoshimoasmodai, i know for sure that libgrouptalents and pallypower are reported but its unlikely that they will be fixed soon ;)
10:54.10asmodaipallypower needs to DIAF anyway for the spamming
10:55.25yoshimoblessed is not yet ready
10:56.09Repo10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7087 Citadel/Locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update
10:56.44Fiskerslaps Stanzilla around a bit with a large trout
10:56.49Fiskerbam
10:57.13StanzillaFisker: miss
10:58.00Repo10classtimer: 03Stanzilla * r329 Bars/Mage.lua: Added Frostfire Bolt DoT for Mages
10:58.23Fiskerwhy doesn't your stupid addon understand when it's disabled?
10:59.28Repo10classtimer: 03Stanzilla 042.3.30300.2 * r330 : Tagging as 2.3.30300.2
11:01.55Fisker:(
11:03.03winkillerTagging as v23.45-ANNOY-FISKER
11:03.10Fiskeri agree
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11:09.42Repo10youarentinapartyfix: 03Whitetooth * r7 / (2 files in 1 directory): - TOC 30300, still hasn't been fixed in 3.3.0
11:09.44Repo- Also fixes "You are not in a guild." messages
11:11.08winkillerlol
11:11.33KriLL3all addons made by people in this channel got checks to see if it's fisker playing, and if it is throws random bugs etc
11:11.43winkilleryouarenotinapartyfix - the "youarenotinaguild" release
11:11.58winkilleryouarenotinapartyfix - the "youaretoofarawaytodothat" release
11:12.12winkilleryouarenotinapartyfix - the "minus50dkpbecauseyoudidntknowwhatthefucktodo" release
11:12.42KriLL3seems fisker hasn't used a "sell gray items" addon made in here yet, would vendor all his purplz then everything else to make the re-buy pane full of non purplz
11:15.48yoshimowinkiller, that would be nice in my guild yesterday , but a simple reset to -50 would have done it as well ;)
11:16.18winkillerwe hasd a tree pull Festergut
11:16.24KriLL3heh
11:16.32winkiller"X, can you stand on melee?" +runs in
11:16.32KriLL3sounds like HCs I've been in...
11:16.40winkillerwell, obv not BEFORE the tank pulls
11:16.51KriLL3heh
11:17.17yoshimowinkiller, our raidleader&priest pulled festergut 10times by accident ;) for gods sake you can reset that guy...
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11:17.22KriLL3perhaps he's been playing too many HCs recently, anyone and everyone thinks they're well within their rights to pull
11:17.45winkilleryoshimo: oh? but you need to  quickly run out?
11:17.51KriLL3if they're not the healer and not plate I just stand back and watch
11:17.53winkilleror was it Rotface...
11:18.01winkillerscrew blizzard for making em look alike
11:18.26KriLL3winkiller: that's not a decision they made, they're just lazy, same as the professor looks like a billion other bosses
11:18.39yoshimoyes you have to be quick, if he has aggro on someone in the hallway he will disappear, no idea if you can blink through the gate though
11:18.48winkillerKriLL3: I don't mind. but they are in the same wing..
11:18.59winkillerit' stupid
11:19.11winkillerI am confused!
11:19.19winkillerdon't even remember which one we killed now
11:19.33winkillerthe gas one
11:19.38Kuosifestergut
11:19.54draculathere's some fun with council encounter as well
11:20.32draculausing pets on the wrong 'mobs' can pull the next boss...
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11:20.43winkillerhm?
11:21.12winkillerI just pulled the room before the prince in UK with my ghoul
11:21.24draculastill not sure how it happens, but we had Queen Lana'thel enter the room with zillion of adds
11:21.27winkillerI have the glyphl but it still used a corpse
11:21.29winkillerinside the mobs
11:21.34winkillerlol
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11:23.06Fiskerdracula imp!
11:23.31draculacould be, on the kinetic bombs
11:23.45vhaarryeah imps on bombs will pull her
11:23.49vhaarror, not any more, they fixed it
11:23.50draculathough that would mean we must have had a warlock that can actually manage his pet
11:24.49hastewinkiller: that's alsmost as fun as when auto-walk activates while I'm on another desktop!
11:25.09draculaah I see now on mmo-champion
11:25.11hastethink I've ninja pulled most bosses that way, except for those in ICC tho' :p
11:25.34hastefinally gotten the habbit of putting my char towards a wall where we pull instead of towards the boss
11:26.43kandarzIs there a way to make pattern matching ungreedy?
11:26.54winkillerlol
11:27.07winkiller/G /U
11:27.08winkillerusually
11:27.12nevcairielkandarz: use - instead of +
11:27.13winkilleror /u?
11:27.21winkillersilly lua!
11:27.55kandarzso "(|cff%x*|Hitem:.-|h|r)-" would make 0 or more item links?
11:28.28nevcairiellua> ("baaaaa"):match("(ba+)")
11:28.28lua_botnevcairiel: baaaaa
11:28.30nevcairiellua> ("baaaaa"):match("(ba-)")
11:28.30lua_botnevcairiel: b
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11:30.53nevcairieli don't think lua pattern can actually repeat whole groups, unless i remember wrong
11:31.37nevcairiellua> ("baaaaa"):match("b(aa)+")
11:31.38lua_botnevcairiel: nil
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11:41.11kandarzso, I can't find anything that isn't a lua extension for simple string replace that isn't a pattern, since if I pass in an item link as the pattern, the brackets around the item name mess up the pattern resulting in no replacement, any ideas?
11:43.15Fiskermanually disables Classtimer yet again since it doesn't fucking know how to remember
11:43.35Stanzillarly?
11:43.46Fiskerrly
11:43.55StanzillaI don't believe you :(
11:43.57quiescenspresumably something else is enabling it?
11:44.03Dessaworked here everytime, must be Fisker-ness
11:44.06quiescensI don't think an addon can enable itself directly
11:44.15Fiskermaybe your mother is quiescens
11:45.15Fiskerbeen there ever since i started leveling my hunter ;(
11:45.51Fiskerthough i'm running it on a character specific profile
11:47.38Fiskerone day i'm gonna kill that skull in FoS
11:51.18kandarzI might actually hit my comcast 250GB cap this month
11:51.43Fiskerwhat's a cap?
11:51.58yoshimoif you download more, they will throttle you and you might pay more
11:52.04kandarz250GB
11:52.18kandarzI heard they send you a letter and tell you to stop it
11:52.35kandarzand if you do it again, they just terminate your service
11:52.42yoshimomy connection has unlimited traffic but i think a cap isnt needed its just slow as hell^^
11:52.52quiescensand then the black sedans pull up in front of your house
11:53.25kandarzI have 8 days to go with 80GB left
11:53.44kandarz76GB when I finish downloading my current batch
11:54.24yoshimowhat the hell are you guys downloading? all my games and surfing wont fill up 76g in a month :P
11:54.41yoshimowows traffic is not that high
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11:55.45Fiskeri know yoshimo
11:55.50Fiskercaps are for newbs
11:55.51kandarzI download all my television in 720p (1.12GB per hour long episode)
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11:56.05nevcairielI used 110gb this month so far
11:56.28kandarzJanuary 2010 (Incoming: 126042 MB / Outgoing: 44891 MB)
11:57.33yoshimowhats your connections speed?
11:57.41yoshimoupload/download
11:57.59kandarzbits or bytes
11:58.21yoshimodoesnt matter, i can do math^
11:58.29nevcairiel3/.5 down/up in mbit only :(
11:59.19yoshimoeurope is evil , upload is very very low, even if your download is 16 or higher
11:59.23kandarzcurrent speed right now is 1536KB/s download (which is just about max), upload maxes out about 230 KB/s
11:59.42kandarzyoshimo: cable, dsl, fiber?
11:59.42nevcairielwhen i move in a few month i'm looking at a 50/10 connection :d
11:59.46yoshimodsl
11:59.52kandarzadsl?
12:00.02yoshimoindeed,  symmetric will cost way more
12:00.18nevcairielsdsl is so expensive because it destroys the copper cables
12:00.25yoshimosomething like adsl= 30€, sdsl = 200€
12:00.40yoshimodepends on the speed you want though
12:00.50kandarzcomcast is really slow at rolling out DOCSIS 3.0 :(
12:01.01Fiskeroh my god
12:01.03yoshimoeven more speed?
12:01.08Fiskeri was in a forge of souls group without jerks
12:01.20Fiskerand needle-encrusted scorpion dropped
12:01.23nevcairielI'll switch to 50/10 VDSL in 3-4 month, hopefully :)
12:01.31Fiskerand the tank was kind enough to pass :3
12:01.51KriLL3bah, better that a tank gets it than fisker
12:01.57yoshimopoor copper cables, but i cant get higher than 6  here...
12:02.04kandarzya, DOCSIS 3.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Speed_Tables
12:02.07Fiskeraww KriLL3 ;(
12:02.12KriLL3nevcairiel: I'm far out in the suburbs in rocky terrain, can't get more than 12~ :(
12:02.45nevcairieli'm in a small town right now, hence only 3 .. but i want to move into the city :d
12:02.46kandarzBut I can get 4G! wooo wireless
12:02.46yoshimowould have been nice for some good quality streaming of games but doesnt work right now
12:02.48KriLL3can get faster 3G than DSL here ironically... though 3G has a too long delay to be useful for most tasks
12:03.12KriLL3kandarz: isn't 4G currently a lot slower than 3G because the net isn't finished?
12:03.17kandarzME2 35 min remaining
12:03.24kandarzI'm in the test market
12:03.29Fiskerthat sounds illegal kandarz
12:03.35kandarzOh it is
12:03.37Fisker1 hour myself
12:03.39kandarzBut I'm buying it
12:03.40KriLL3Fisker: perhaps he's downloading on steam?
12:03.43Fiskerbut had to pause it for some fringe etc.
12:03.51kandarzI got fringe earlier
12:03.54nevcairielour cable provider wants to roll out 100mbit as well, but meh, we'll see how that goes
12:04.08FiskerME2 isn't preloading yet KriLL3
12:04.11KriLL3kandarz: what speeds do you get?
12:04.11Fiskerbut it's nice
12:04.19Fiskerwhen it's released i can just copy ME2 into the steam folder
12:04.22kandarzFisker, I started after you too! Time elapsed: 2h 20m, Time remaining: 34m
12:04.26Fiskerand it'll redownload the binaries and work
12:04.30Fiskertrue kandarz
12:04.31KriLL3Fisker: I wouldn't know, I wouldn't touch steam with a 18 foot pole
12:04.35Fiskerbut my internet sucks right now
12:04.35yoshimowell all these providers in germany and the government talking about better speed for rural areas but nothing seems to happen^^
12:04.58kandarzKrill3, current speed right now is 1536KB/s download (which is just about max), upload maxes out about 230 KB/s
12:05.00Fiskerand i'm torrenting this because i was too lazy to setup newsgroups
12:05.08sb|worknevcairiel: works here... :p
12:05.18sb|worknevcairiel: 100/2.5
12:05.30nevcairiel2.5 is just pathetic, would rather get 50/10 :d
12:05.37KriLL3kandarz: so 12Mbit?
12:06.08kandarzyeah, first 80MB or so is 16Mbit (Comcast Speedboost (TM)!)
12:06.26nevcairielbesides, for some reason i still trust the telekom more then kabel deutschland or kabel-bw for that matter :D
12:06.28yoshimonevcairiel , me too, but its 2km  until they can guarantee vdsl speed
12:06.33KriLL3kandarz: errm you said you had 4G
12:06.45kandarzoh, no, I could get 4G
12:06.48KriLL3ah
12:07.46KriLL3I could have 50/20 DSL if I was hooked to the base station on the other side of the road instead of one a couple Km down the road, but the one on the other side of the road is "full" according to telia
12:07.59kandarzFisker: how is your torrent speed?
12:08.02KriLL3asked around with people on that station, no performance issues
12:08.21Fisker600kB/s right now
12:08.51kandarz"full" as in no more ports? I figure DSL being "Dedicated" needs its own wire
12:08.51KriLL3I top out at about 700-800 now with this con, sadly 1/4 of it is at all times reserved for the IPTV, even if it's not on
12:08.52KriLL3<3
12:08.55Fiskerthat sounds BS KriLL3
12:08.57KriLL3kandarz: yes
12:09.04KriLL3Fisker: no not really
12:09.10KriLL3it has a limited number of connections
12:09.15Fiskerthat may be
12:09.22KriLL3guess I'll just have to burn down one of the houses connected to it
12:09.27FiskerBut your connection goes from your house to the base station
12:09.31nevcairielyeah DSL boxes can run out of connections :d
12:09.43kandarzGo rent a ladder truck, rewire it yourself
12:10.03KriLL3Fisker: yes, and I'm hooked to one far away since our house was the last to be built on this stretch of road and the box was full
12:10.16KriLL3kandarz: everything here is in the ground
12:10.23Fiskerthen the box being full is the secondary issue
12:10.27Fiskerreally ;3
12:10.32kandarzBackhoe then
12:10.32KriLL3and yes I could rewire it myself, but nowadays that's not enough
12:10.54KriLL3the ISP has to enable it on their side, with MAC numbers for the modem etc
12:11.14KriLL3a simple re-wiring doesn't work anymore
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12:12.11kandarzI didn't think DSL needed the MAC address, I know Cable does as I just had to get a new modem
12:12.20Fiskeri should be able to get 50Mbit VDSL here :(
12:12.40nevcairielDSL usually doesnt
12:12.42nevcairieli can attach any modem
12:12.53KriLL3the irony is that a couple blocks away you can get fiber 100/100 for half the price we pay for 12/0.8~ DSL (more than that but as said the IPTV takes a big chunk even if the set-top box is off)
12:13.41KriLL3yeah you can usually attach any modem, but most ISPs here ask your MAC number and disable the service if the reported MAC changes and you don't use their sign up process again
12:13.52nevcairielnever heard of that here
12:15.07KriLL3it's a bit weird, didn't use to be like this, in the past you got a bog standard DSL modem with an ethernet connection out, or perhaps some kind of inbuilt switch with 4, now you get a DSL modem with wireless, switch and all, and it's crappy with "my toddler's first router" software that's all locked down
12:15.59KriLL3I don't have access to anything except some rudimentary port mapping, can't even set up a DMZ, all major settings are locked down and only respond to commands from OUTSIDE
12:16.24KriLL3aka my ISP can fiddle with my modem/router box all they want, but I can't do squat
12:16.48nevcairielthats why i'm happy to just have a modem from them, and provide the router myself
12:16.56KriLL3the Cisco certified network technician in me isn't happy about that...
12:17.26KriLL3yeah I opened as many ports as I wanted/needed and put my own WRT54GL router running DD-WRT after the "modem"
12:17.40nevcairielI
12:17.58nevcairielI'm on a linux router right now, but i'll probably just use my dd-wrt when i move
12:18.06nevcairielcurrently is just an access point, more or less :P
12:18.07KriLL3my ISP seems completely confused by that, "why would you want another router? we gave you a router"
12:18.51KriLL3DD-WRT is linux btw =P
12:19.31quiescensjust get your replacement router to pretend that it has the same mac address
12:19.50KriLL3also that router ensures my ISP can't access my network
12:19.54nevcairielyeah yeah, i mean a old pc running some firewall-distribution :P
12:19.58KriLL3quiescens: my router doesn't have a modem
12:20.19kandarzI had to get DD-WRT because default linksys firmware would eat up it's ram in iptables when torrenting, requiring a reset
12:20.44KriLL3and their "modem" has VoIP and IPTV in it, so even getting a regular DSL modem doesn't really help, I'd loose those services if I did
12:21.10KriLL3kandarz: though to be fair old DD-WRT did that as well if you didn't configure it
12:21.40kandarzKriLL3: oh yea, I had to configure it, but the fact that it was even configurable was the reason to get it
12:21.41KriLL3v23 that is
12:21.53KriLL3v24 (RC) is configured properly out of the box
12:22.08kandarzFirmware:  DD-WRT v24-sp1 (07/28/08) mini
12:22.32KriLL3kandarz: heh, my "modem" doesn't have settings for the bulk of what you want to change =P or if it does only my ISP can change em
12:22.49kandarzPlus, now I couldn't live without static DHCP
12:23.41KriLL3I only got access to very rudimentary port mapping, you make "games / applications" and list the ports they need then assign that game/app to a network device via the name of the device, a name you have to set yourself in another menu
12:24.15KriLL3kandarz: yeah it's very nice for port mapping, use it also
12:24.52KriLL3weirdly the modem crashed when I tried to make a "game" that used ports 1-65000
12:24.54KriLL3=P
12:26.08yoshimowhich game would need such a large amount of ports^^
12:27.30kandarzThe game "I don't like my ISP" By Activision
12:27.40KriLL3heh
12:28.22KriLL3I've routed all the major ports np, don't notice that extra layer for the most part
12:28.36Repo10spamalyzer (experimental): 03Torhal 07master * 90d2421 Spamalyzer.lua: [+4 commits]
12:28.37KriLL3but it sure is galling
12:28.38Repo90d2421: Changed event registry for CHAT_MSG_ADDON - call StoreMessage() directly from there using the correct parameters.
12:28.39Repoaf2367e: Removed TRACKING_CHECKS - found a cleaner way to do what I wanted.
12:28.40Repo1950f66: Added code for StoreMessage() - at present all it does is look for the prefix in the database and add it if not found, and if output_frame is non-nil sends the information to the designated frame colored by whether or not tooltip-tracking is enabled for the message type. Fixed variable names in Spamalyzer:SendAddonMessage()
12:28.41Repo19194d4: Added output_frame for displaying AddOn message information. Uses CHAT_FRAME_MAP for assignment.
12:28.49yoshimowell you could create app 1-x and split it krill i guess ;)
12:30.35KriLL3I guess, but the router crashed when I enabled like 10 of those in 1000 steps, not sure if it's possible
12:30.48KriLL3*modem/router/boxofhorrors
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12:38.37asmodaihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7mwTK564o
12:39.58Fiskerhey assmodai
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12:43.25evlAnyone know a quick way to strip Grid completely and build it back up?
12:45.14quiescenshire someone
12:45.18Fiskertake it's clothes off
12:45.22Fiskerits*
12:45.37yoshimoevl, what do you want to remove?
12:46.54evlWell I've never used grid because I'm a rogue and I don't really care about anything but how many people are dead, but with the blood queen encounter it's clear I need something to show bites. The defaults are incredibly spammy and I just wanted to check if I could sort of load a barebones profile and add what I need from there instead of having to disable everything from here to the moon first
12:48.33yoshimoi.e. remove every status except the ones from the raiddebuffsplugin?
12:48.44evlOr just have a Bare profile I could copy
12:48.52evlwhich had nothing except maybe the name of the player
12:49.24Grumevl: the default has no spammy settings afaik
12:49.47evlHow can you say that when every status and indicator is enabled by default? :P
12:49.50asmodai~lart fisker
12:49.50purlblasts fisker to oblivion with a kamehameha wave
12:49.52yoshimodont we have an alternative that is lighter and allows you to add this status as well?
12:49.57Grumevl: enabled but not showing for anything
12:50.13evlHey I just know I loaded it up and it lit up like a DDR machine
12:50.23Grumi think it shows target, name, health, death, offline only by default
12:50.30asmodaiDeutsche Demokratische Republik?
12:50.56yoshimoasmodai i guess so
12:50.57evlincoming heals, casts, health bar, power word shield, renews etc. etc.
12:51.03evlasmodai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_Dance_Revolution
12:51.14evlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stemania4_Alpha4.png
12:51.28yoshimoalso possible that he is talking about RAM ;)
12:51.57evlyoshimo: this more light weight addon, you wouldn't happen to know the name? :)
12:53.57KriLL3anyone else having issues with bartender and vehicles? keybinds don't work, had to revert to the default vehicle UI
12:54.11yoshimoif i knew the name^^ i just dont think that the old grid, is the best solution if you just need this one thing.
12:54.32evlKriLL3: there's afaik always been some issues with vehicles and diffent bar mods since the default has quite a lot of hacks in place to make sure they actually work :)
12:54.41KriLL3is there an addon like grid that doesn't suck and use a boatload of resources?
12:54.55KriLL3evl: well bartender used to work for me
12:54.59asmodaievl: I know, was just pulling your leg
12:55.15KriLL3but all of a sudden the keybinds stopped working had to click the bars to make anything happen
12:55.25evlKriLL3: I had the same problems until I switched back to defaukt :P
12:55.53evlKriLL3: I ended up writing a small mod that basically cleans and stacks the default bars without tampering with their underlying code, probably a bit like Dominoes but less configurable
12:55.59yoshimoi could spent all day and night reporting spammers on curse.com...
12:56.44evlyoshimo: The name wouldn't happen to be Injector btw?
12:58.10yoshimoi dont know anything like this
12:58.28evlyoshimo: the lightweight alternative
12:59.37yoshimoi still dont know that^^, im looking for something lighweight myself, but i am too used to grid1
12:59.57evlyoshimo: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14339-0.8.1.2.html
12:59.57Arrowmasterfreebgrid is something is what you are thinking of i bet
13:00.01KriLL3just a bit puzzled how it suddenly broke, if it was like this for everyone I'd have heard something about it, but it seems I'm the only one with this issue
13:00.45ArrowmasterKriLL3: are you sure your keybinds are set to the default main menu bar?
13:01.03evlArrowmaster: thanks :)
13:01.40KriLL3Arrowmaster: think so, works if I use the default vehicle UI in the options
13:01.51KriLL3let me check
13:02.20Arrowmasterbartender does some override bindings when the vehicle bar comes up
13:04.22KriLL3yeah my binds are on the default bar
13:04.33KriLL3should I switch it to bartender's bar?
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13:05.05KriLL3they're empty
13:05.45nevcairielfor bar1, bartender just hijacks blizzards bindings
13:06.12Fiskerslaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout
13:06.17KriLL3well it doesn't work for some reason
13:06.25KriLL3as soon as I enter a vehicle the keybinds go dead
13:06.32KriLL3doesn't do anything
13:06.59KriLL3same with possess from what I've seen
13:08.19Arrowmasternevcairiel: i know when i looked at your code around 3.1 it used SetOverrideBinding() for the vehicle stuff
13:09.17KriLL3weird thing is that it used to work just fine, but all of a sudden it stopped working, and I didn't change any settings when it stopped working
13:09.37Arrowmasterwhich made me a little concerned since i was working on something that used SetOverrideBinding on the bar1 keybindings when the vehicle, possession bar poped up
13:11.05KriLL3should I try binding BT bar1 instead of the default bar?
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13:17.02nevcairielArrowmaster: well yeah, i just set the bar1 bindings to the vehicle bar
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13:19.04KriLL3I take it I'm the only one with this issue?
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13:25.13Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1211 Data (4 files in 1 directory):
13:25.15Repo- Added a no downranking tag for spells that probably don't downrank
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13:29.29KriLL3just tried binding the bartender bar 1 instead of the default bar, same result
13:29.50KriLL3"You can't do that right now."
13:30.06nevcairielyou probably did log out in between? :D
13:30.22KriLL3no I didn't, doing that now
13:31.17KriLL3a bit weird that message, if it was trying to do something else would I auto dismount as if I was on a regular mount?
13:31.28KriLL3or doesn't that apply to vehicles?
13:31.29nevcairielno
13:31.39nevcairielthat doesnt work with vehicles like that
13:31.42KriLL3re-logged, same issue
13:31.59KriLL3am I the only one with this issue? weird
13:32.04nevcairielis your bar1 set to do possess switching?
13:32.07KriLL3yes
13:32.19KriLL3the bar comes up fine, and it works if click it
13:32.34KriLL3but the keybinds all produce "You can't do that right now."
13:32.39nevcairielyou use the graphical vehicle ui, yes?
13:32.40KriLL3and no yellow outline etc
13:33.00KriLL3I did to circumvent the issue, I didn't before and I don't atm
13:33.12KriLL3and by that I mean blizzards default UI in the settings
13:33.22nevcairielyea, so thats off?
13:33.25KriLL3yes
13:33.29nevcairielhm weird
13:33.31KriLL3I got a bartender bar down there
13:33.39KriLL3the content of it is correct, but none of the binds work
13:34.15nevcairielmaybe some other addons is stealing the binds
13:34.33nevcairielbartender only changes them if you use the blizzard ui option thing
13:35.31KriLL3nuking all my addons except bartender
13:35.37KriLL3yeah works
13:35.52KriLL3now to find out which damn addon is causing it... yay...
13:36.16evlKriLL3: KeybindPirate most likely!
13:36.44nevcairielwhat bartender does to work around some issues, in vehicles it just sets the buttons to forward the clicks to the real vehicle buttons .. so there is a chance some addon stops them from working properly
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13:36.58nevcairielor it just steals keybinds
13:37.04sb|work@describe spamalyzer
13:37.05Reposb|work: http://www.wowace.com/addons/spamalyzer/. Spamalyzer. Tracks SendAddonMessage Spam
13:37.14KriLL3evl: don't have that addon but I do have bindpad...
13:37.17sb|workFubar_SpamFu replacement?
13:37.20yoshimoim in your addon stealing your bindings ;)
13:37.20sb|workerr AddonSpamFu
13:37.43yoshimosb|work , indeed. too many people wanted a broker compatible replacement ;)
13:37.47KriLL3yeah it's bindpad
13:37.55sb|workyoshimo: yea, me too :p
13:38.13KriLL3an addon to bind spells directly without putting em on bars, why would it interfere with bartender?
13:38.35nevcairielis that on wowace?
13:38.43KriLL3no wowi, but it's on CC
13:38.50KriLL3http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6385-BindPad-GUItosetkeybindingsforspellitemmacro.html
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13:39.21vhaarrwowace has KeyBoundExtra-1.0
13:39.47KriLL3vhaarr: does it do the same thing without killing BT?
13:39.51vhaarrye
13:40.07KriLL3that sounds like a lib, is there an addon that implements it?
13:40.13vhaarrthat is the addon
13:40.20KriLL3not in CC
13:40.24vhaarrtoadkiller made it, he's just not sane
13:40.34vhaarrwell it's there
13:40.54KriLL3... I hate that CC looks in your installed addons if you use the search field after opening it
13:42.02vhaarrafter you install just /kb
13:42.08KriLL3vhaarr: is it LibKeyBound-1.0 LibKeyBoundExtra-1.0 or KeyboundExtra-1.0 or some kind of combination?
13:42.08vhaarrthen open the spellbook or macro window
13:42.13vhaarrhover an action
13:42.19vhaarrand click whatever keybinding you want
13:42.27nevcairieli believe KeyBoundExtra is the addon that just uses the lib
13:42.27vhaarrKriLL3: ye all 3
13:42.31vhaarrnev is right
13:42.38nevcairieldon't ask me why it was a lib in the first place
13:42.55vhaarrI've long thought that it all needs ripping out and be put in a standalone addon
13:42.56KriLL3do I need to install any of the others or just the addon?
13:42.59vhaarrbut I am lazy
13:43.00Arrowmasteri think all the addon does it load the lib
13:43.09vhaarrthat's what nev just said
13:43.10vhaarrand yes
13:43.19nevcairielLibKeyBound is a proper lib, bartender uses it to manage the keybindings
13:43.24nevcairielbut the Extra thing was just weird
13:43.41vhaarrtoadkiller, what can you do
13:43.49KriLL3I thought addons came with the libs they need?
13:43.57nevcairielthey do
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13:44.12vhaarrI was assuming you used svn directly, then you need all 3
13:44.14KriLL3but I should install all 3 of them? addon and 2 libs?
13:44.19vhaarrif you download the zip then obviously you just need the addon
13:44.20KriLL3I'm in CC
13:44.25vhaarrthen I have no clue :P
13:45.39Arrowmasterjust the addon one
13:46.02Arrowmasterif youve got it set to nolibs then it should pull the library down too
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13:51.16KriLL3does that /kb thing work in the spellbook & macro pane?
13:51.24vhaarr<vhaarr> after you install just /kb
13:51.25nevcairielif you install extra, it should
13:51.28vhaarr<vhaarr> then open the spellbook or macro window
13:51.28vhaarr<vhaarr> hover an action
13:51.28vhaarr<vhaarr> and click whatever keybinding you want
13:52.27KriLL3works with "keyboundextra" installed
13:52.43KriLL3didn't install the lib in CC, guess the addon has it
13:52.44Stanzillanot really
13:53.49KriLL3are these binds character specific if the box is ticked in the keybinds panel?
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13:54.22nevcairielisnt there the same box on the keybound popup?
13:54.25nevcairielbut yes
13:55.53KriLL3weird, why do some addons forget their placement if turned off?
13:56.05vhaarrbecause wow stores their position
13:56.06nevcairielbecause they use blizzards broken placement system
13:56.09vhaarrand not the addon itself
13:56.15KriLL3ah
13:56.34KriLL3and it's purged if you log in with the addon disabled/uninstalled?
13:56.36nevcairieland blizzard cleans that up when an addon is off
13:56.43Fiskertackles KriLL3
13:56.50KriLL3awesome
13:59.47KriLL3one of my addons creeps for some weird reason, goes inexorably down each login
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14:24.45asmodainevcairiel: Antiarc's been suspiciously absent eh? :)
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14:24.55AntiarcI'm around
14:24.57AntiarcJust busy
14:25.08asmodaiWoo!
14:25.35asmodaiAntiarc: Happened to see the taint stuff nev and me discussed (probably LibInternalCooldowns)?
14:25.50AntiarcI haven't, can you give me the reader's digest?
14:26.53asmodaiAntiarc: SexyCooldown is tainting the totem bar, which causes me to not be able to switch totems in a fight from the totem bar. nevcairiel looked at the taintlog (got a URL if needed) and then at SexyCooldown and figured it might be LibInternalCooldowns
14:27.07AntiarcURL would be great.
14:27.23asmodaihttp://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/taint.log
14:27.32asmodaiPardon the size, was during an instance run.
14:28.15AntiarcBah, it didn't used to do that :(
14:28.58yoshimowhat could stop a questtrackeraddon to read how many mobs you have killed already for a quest?
14:29.04asmodaiAntiarc: Should the default sexycooldown show me totem timers?
14:29.09Antiarcyes
14:29.14asmodaiAntiarc: It doesn't for me
14:29.21asmodaiAntiarc: Unless SUF is causing that in some way.
14:29.23AntiarcI'll re-test
14:29.50asmodaiAntiarc: That will be great. Let me know if you need some additional test or the likes.
14:30.01AntiarcI've got a shaman so I should be able to reproduce it
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14:30.20Ghanyo
14:30.36Ghanthat... might have been the wrong window
14:30.43Ghanno matter: Yo!
14:31.15asmodaiAntiarc: ok cool. :)
14:32.45asmodaiAntiarc: By the way, is it intentional LibInternalCooldowns has no ticketing enabled?
14:32.52AntiarcNot intentional, no
14:33.09yoshimoi removed the savedvars for dropthecheapest thing and it wont sell to vendors again..
14:34.22Kemayoyoshimo: I've actually just been looking at that...
14:34.25asmodaiyoshimo: It seems to have some small problems at times, not finding an item or saying it expected one and found another (which is the same one)
14:34.50KemayoI can't reproduce it. However, I think I know what might be causing it
14:35.33yoshimoremoving the svar helped for a while but it stopped vendoring again somehow
14:36.17Repo10dropthecheapestthing: 03Kemayo 07master * v3.5.2-1-ge75aa65 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Change merchant auto-sell trigger.
14:36.38KemayoTry that alpha.
14:37.09vhaarrKemayo: how do I sort the guilbank with bankstack?
14:37.15vhaarrguild*
14:37.36Kemayovhaarr: "/sort guild[1-5]", I think
14:37.40KemayoIt's been a while.
14:37.44vhaarryeah that doesn't work at least
14:38.06KemayoLet me go check, then.
14:38.26asmodaiah
14:38.29asmodaiKemayo: btw
14:38.38asmodaiKemayo: Had plans to update 5s rule for SUF?
14:39.22KemayoIf the current version is broken, then I'd probably fix it next time I played a mana-using class. :)
14:39.31asmodaiKemayo: it is
14:39.39nevcairielAntiarc: as far as i could see, the tainting hooks in LibInternalCooldown on the Get*Cooldown functions are the cause of the taint
14:39.50asmodaimight have to look at the code himself and see if he can fix it.
14:39.54olafskioh that'd be awesome kemayo :D
14:39.57KemayoDoes it give errors, or just not work?
14:40.05olafskidoesn't work for me.. I don't see the option to enable it anywhere
14:40.09yoshimoKemayo, i think that fixed it. It vendors again
14:40.28asmodaiKemayo: no errors, just doesn't show the 'spark'.
14:40.31KriLL3why does dps pick one mob each in pack pulls or even do stuff like bladestorm first second of the encounter? :( hit my target kthx
14:40.53olafskiI generally pick another mob to ensure I can at least finish one rotation before it dies krill3 ;)
14:41.05Kemayoyoshimo: Let me know if it stops working again. (Problem was that if events fired in an order I didn't expect, it could wind up trying to sell things before it knew it was at a merchant.)
14:41.28KriLL3olafski: making the tank waste cooldowns and generally increasing his burden, yay.
14:41.45Kemayovhaarr: Working out what's wrong with guild-bank sorting may have to wait on the realm list being willing to load so I can get to a realm where I have a guild bank...
14:42.01profalbertKriLL3: well, what's the worst that could happen?
14:42.01asmodaiKriLL3: Depends, with some tanks I start hitting the mob they  initially hit and then they seem to switch around, so it's not always easy to see which he wants to be killed if there's no marking >_<
14:42.05KriLL3I'm getting so sick of it I don't even taunt anymore, if they're stupid enough to attack what's clearly not my target I let me tank it
14:42.55KriLL3profalbert: being deemed "a noob" because I can't hold aggro on 3 different mobs all hit by a dps:er each
14:43.01asmodaiKemayo: Funny, change realm was actually fixed for me. I can finally switch between realms again after having played a character on one of the other realms.
14:43.20pompyThere's nothing in Bankstack that says it lets you sort the Guild Bank, hm. Just personal bags and bank.
14:43.25olafskikrill3: tank may ignore me if he likes.. I don't mind being hit a bit :)
14:43.30olafskikrill3: but usually I'm the tank anyway
14:43.33KriLL3pompy: errm, heard of mrplow?
14:43.40Kemayoasmodai: 5sr works for me. At least, the alpha version on wowace. I should probably tag it for release...
14:43.54KriLL3olafski: yes it's less effective on plate/feral
14:43.58asmodaiKemayo: oh, there's alpha?
14:44.08asmodaiKemayo: think I only tried release, but not sure.
14:44.21KriLL3my personal fav are the rogues & hunters that pull aggro and don't use vanish/FD
14:44.22olafskiquite sure I only tried the release :)
14:44.29Kemayopompy: It's a stealth feature... guild banks are just weird bagids which CursorHasItem doesn't work on.
14:44.37olafskimeh in a heroic the hunter will have the mob killed before it reaches him ;)
14:44.42KriLL3guess they don't have it on their bars, or they prefer that I waste my taunt cooldown than they "waste" their cooldown...
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14:44.51arkaneswell, in fairness
14:44.54KriLL3olafski: no actually not always
14:44.58arkanesyour taunt cd is 8 seconds, and my vanish one is 3 minutes
14:45.04KriLL3and sometimes they get aggro again after my taunt ends
14:45.07arkanesso purely from an economic perspective that makes a lot of sense
14:45.14olafskiI've seen hunters who say they didn't want to waste a gcd to dispel Enrage :P
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14:45.35arkanesdepends on the run but generally in a heroic I will rogue tank whatever ends up hitting me without worrying about
14:45.35KriLL3arkanes: no it doesn't, I shouldn't, I'm the only one that can taunt (safely) making me waste it isn't a good thing
14:45.48arkanesKriLL3: well thats just nonsense
14:45.50olafskiyou shouldn't need taunt too often anyway
14:45.58KriLL3if you're overaggroing you should fix it
14:46.01KriLL3not me
14:46.05arkanessure
14:46.06olafskiso don't fix it
14:46.08arkanesand I would, if I cared
14:46.09arkanesbut I don't
14:46.20arkanesbecuse its a heroic and we're all overgeared and the mob will be dead
14:46.21olafskiI don't care either.. I can take the damage of a few heroic trashmobs ;P
14:46.24KriLL3olafski: I ride it in heroics now, no one bothers to check my target, even if I set a skull no one hits that mob even if it's a healer etc
14:46.25arkanesI don't care if you tank, either
14:46.39olafskihealers in heroics? oh care, really :P
14:46.41arkanesnow, if you're a brand new tank or whatever
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14:46.50arkanesthen I'm going to be doing my best to help you out
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14:46.53pompyKemayo: getting this error when right clicking bankstacks launcher... http://pastebin.com/d7b8e22ee
14:46.55Kemayoasmodai: There you go.
14:47.39arkanesKriLL3: anyway, if you think you're in a situation where you can't afford to burn the taunt then just don't do it
14:47.50KriLL3I guess I'm set in the old ways where the tank set killorder and overaggroing non target meant you were a noob
14:47.52arkanesof course, it's really just you being bitter, not a problem with the content
14:48.03Kemayopompy: Thanks. I thought I'd cleaned up all of those.
14:48.04arkanesI did it in BC, too, on content we were farming
14:48.13asmodaiKemayo: cool, will test when I get home and let you know
14:48.17arkanestrivial content gets trivial levels of playing
14:48.21arkanesit's not a hard thing to realize
14:48.28KriLL3well makes the tank's job harder
14:48.33arkanesno it doesn't
14:48.44olafskionly if you let it make your jobs harder :P
14:48.54olafskiI like it personally :)
14:49.06arkanesit hurts your pride, thats all
14:49.08KriLL3if I need to ride my taunt button all day and try to keep aggro on a whole pack with dps hitting one each/all of them using big aoes etc yes it makes my life harder
14:49.13arkanesno you don't
14:49.17arkanesand no, it doesn't
14:49.26olafskiusually I run in, do my rotation and just wait until everything is dead.. if someone takes aggro at least I get to do something :P
14:49.31KriLL3since they assume I suck or something if I don't save them all the time
14:49.41arkanesokay, so they do
14:49.44arkaneswhat do you care?
14:49.51olafskireally if it's this big a deal for you, just let one of them die and tell them to attack the assigned target next time
14:49.57arkanesor better yet
14:50.00KriLL3just annoying that most of them clearly don't realize that what they're doing is undermining me
14:50.08arkanesrealize that tank choosing the order isn't even really the traidtion
14:50.22KriLL3olafski: I have, they always fly of the handles and the rest of the group sides with them, not me
14:50.29arkanestraditionally, the best DPS is the main assist, and *he* deterimines the kill order
14:50.32KriLL3arkanes: errm, always been that way from my experience
14:50.36arkanesso find out what they're attacking and put threat on it
14:50.42olafskiso what? :P they can try to vote you out, but if even one person agrees with you then they can't vote you out
14:50.51arkanesbut then you're adapting to them instead of your big tank balls swinging, right?
14:50.56KriLL3in the olden days the tank was party leader, and he marked showing kill order / cc
14:51.07olafskiI don't remember that either tbh
14:51.17arkanesmain assist was a vanilla raiding thing
14:51.18KriLL3was like that in vanilla, TBC and most of LK
14:51.21olafskiwe didn't actually mark in normal dungeons back in the day, and in raids the raid leader would do it
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14:51.22arkanespredates marking
14:51.41arkanesbut anyway
14:51.45KriLL3at least in heroic 5 man
14:51.49olafskiand the main assist yeah.. was no point having that be the tank as they had to change dungeons :P
14:51.53olafskiheroic 5mans in vanilla? :D
14:51.55arkanesthe thing here is that you want to be in charge and your pride is hurt that they're not cooperating
14:51.58arkanesso you have 2 choices
14:52.04KriLL3olafski: well not in vanilla
14:52.08KriLL3harder 5 mans in vanilla
14:52.14arkanesyou can either get so good at your job that you're in charge whenther they like it or not
14:52.18arkanesor you can adapt to what they do
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14:52.29arkanesand get over the pride thing of "I'm the tank and I say what goes"
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14:52.35olafskiI prefer the former.. but I play a DK so I get to faceroll :D
14:53.00yoshimoWhitetooth, yaiaps debug mode doesnt tell you which channel the addon tried to use, does it?
14:53.01KriLL3arkanes: I'm a very good tank, but swipe spam can't compete with all out dps from people in raid gear
14:53.08arkanesKriLL3: well it doesn't sound like it
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14:53.11KriLL3and riding my taunt button isn't ideal
14:53.23KriLL3arkanes: ask any feral, swipe doesn't stand up to dps
14:53.24Kemayopompy: There you go.
14:53.25Whitetoothyoshimo: nope
14:53.30olafski8 second taunt cd, 6 with 2t9.. bleeeh
14:53.37arkanesKriLL3: it sounds like you're an average tank with an ego problem
14:53.41arkanesKriLL3: I'm not disagreeing
14:53.51KriLL3I'm well geared and skilled, but I guess I'm set in the old ways of tank being the leader
14:53.56arkanesKriLL3: so get better at AOE dps so you can hold the pack whether they like it or not
14:54.00pompyKemayo: thanks
14:54.03olafskiswipe does indeed not stand up to targeted dps.. but you have more abilities ;)
14:54.09arkanesI'm sure you're nto saying you have no room for improvment?
14:54.14KriLL3olafski: maul and mangle
14:54.20olafskifaery fire! :P
14:54.33arkanesI can hold a pack unless a DPS intentionally tries to pull it off men, and usually even then
14:54.37olafskiand lacerate I think, I'm not at that level yet
14:54.39KriLL3you want me to swap target all the time and hit everything with maul/mangle? that's hard work
14:54.40arkanesI am, of course, a facerollanoobadin
14:54.46arkanesKriLL3: okay then
14:54.48olafskiohnoes, tanking is hard work?
14:54.52arkanesKriLL3: you can either be lazy, or you can be in charge
14:54.59arkanesKriLL3: this seems like a reasonable tradeoff to me
14:55.25KriLL3arkanes: or I can let the dps that's hitting the ranged mob I've hit once or twice to keep it off healer die horribly for being a moron
14:55.31olafskiarkanes: yeah it's kinda odd how easy it is to keep aggro as a paladin.. I like tanking as a paladin but it seems a bit easy ;)
14:55.32arkanesand bear (tee hee!) in mind that you're talking about something that really doens't matter
14:55.51olafskikrill3: you can, but you don't want to apparently.. just do that
14:55.53arkanesbecause a DPS can easily tank a heroic mob for a few seconds until it dies
14:55.57arkanesand if he cant, well, no biggie
14:56.13olafskibtw kemayo, thanks it works again :D
14:56.19arkanesolafski: if you glyph maul its just as easy on a bear honestly
14:56.40arkanesolafski: swipe is better than consc and glyphed maul is at least as good as hammer
14:56.42KriLL3olafski: with good players they realize that dps should at least have a modicum of sense and check their aggro, but in LFG pugs they seem to assume aggro is something the tank should handle at all times
14:56.49olafskiyer I have that glyphed.. is nice.. but of course tanking is so easy in these low levels that my bear is at :)
14:57.18olafskikrill3: as I said, let them die.. there's usually at least one other sensible person in the group who will vote no if they try to remove you
14:57.32KriLL3I can hold aggro just fine if people do mild aoes/aoe after a while and hit my target / the one next to it my maul hits
14:57.40arkanesKriLL3: has this actually happened?
14:57.52KriLL3arkanes: what has happened?
14:57.59arkanesKriLL3: I mean have yuo, as a tank, been kicked from a group because an AOE pack went after 3 people at once at kill all the DPS?
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14:58.35arkanesKriLL3: by the way if you check the feral forums there's a combination tab/swipe/maul macro that will easily hold an entire AOE back
14:58.56KriLL3no not quite, but I've been foulmouthed by the party when 1-2 dps pulls aggro in much larger packs
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14:59.03arkanesif you're AOE tanking as a bear, you need to be tab targeting to spread the mauls around
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14:59.46KriLL3that tab thing is foreign to me, and I'm not entirely sure I could hold aggro on that many mobs at once if I spread out the mauls & mangles that much
14:59.47arkanesKriLL3: well theres only 3 dps in a 5 man
14:59.49XtekMornin'
15:00.05arkanesKriLL3: sure you can
15:00.13arkanesKriLL3: remember that you don't need like 800k threat on everything
15:00.30arkanesthe stuff dies fast
15:00.40arkanesoften you won't need more than 50% of their health in threat
15:00.51Pneumatusbearswipe, surely
15:01.06arkanes80% if all of the DPS are invidually single target burning 1 down
15:02.16KriLL3arkanes: got a link to said macro/post about it? can't find it
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15:02.32arkanesit's not super complicated
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15:02.59KriLL3in a cast sequence I guess?
15:03.04arkanesjust linear
15:03.11arkanesonly swipe is on the GCD
15:03.14nevcairielmaul is asynchron because its next-swing
15:03.23arkanesanyway, you don't really need it
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15:03.47arkanesbut if you're not comfrotable tab targeting it can do it for you
15:04.25arkaneshmm I guess I saw it somewhere else
15:04.41arkanesshould probably add a /startattack in there
15:05.17KriLL3"targetnexttarget" on google gives me bupkis
15:05.52yoshimoshutting down pp and ef and ghost recon, no more "you arent in a X" ;)
15:06.14olafskikrill3: arkanes just gave you the macro oO
15:06.24KriLL3don't know the syntax
15:06.37olafski/targetnexttarget
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15:07.01olafskinot a whole lot of syntax to it :P
15:08.14arkanesah
15:08.18arkanesits /targetenemy
15:08.32arkanes(my bad)
15:09.18olafskihmm... /cast !Dire Bear Form will remove movement impairing effects? :S
15:09.28arkaneswell
15:09.40arkanesit'll shift you, so yeah
15:09.47olafskiwowwiki's "useful macros for druids" says it will do that even if you are already in bear form
15:09.53arkaneshuh
15:09.58olafskisounds weird
15:09.59KriLL3yes works
15:10.00arkanesthe ! just supresses error text, right?
15:10.03olafskino
15:10.12olafskiI thought it would "not cast if in this form already"
15:10.22olafskiI use it for my hunter to do /cast !Aspect of the Dragonhawk
15:10.30arkanesah okay
15:10.36KriLL3well in forms it shifts you to the same form
15:10.41KriLL3without ! you shift back to caster
15:10.46olafskistrange :P
15:10.48arkanesI didn't know you could do that
15:10.54arkanesand yes, that is strange
15:10.56olafskithat'll help me a lot
15:11.02KriLL3well you're meant to toggle your forms like that
15:11.03olafskigotta make a macro for that when I get online again
15:11.17arkanesI didn't know you could switch to the same form without going through another one
15:11.21KriLL3and yes I got macros for all my forms with !
15:11.23arkanesyou can't do it by clicking on the button
15:11.38olafskiit will drop all your rage of course
15:11.46olafskior all but 10 if you have that talent
15:11.50arkanesor give you more, if you have the thing
15:11.52arkanesfuror
15:12.05arkaneswhee powershifting lives!
15:12.14KriLL3well 10 isn't much of a boost
15:12.23arkanesbetter than 0 :P
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15:12.40KriLL3all my forms are on my side mouse buttons, and they're all ! for that purpose
15:13.01arkanesI know I'm bad but I rarely shift to or from anythign except flight form
15:13.09KriLL3one of the buttons got a macro that clears form, removes pet (vehicle) and dismounts etc
15:13.31arkanesnumpad 5 is the default keybinding for leave vehicle, by the way
15:13.31KriLL3basically my "return to caster" button since I can't do it with the other keys
15:13.40vhaarrKemayo: take your time, I've been waiting months for the fix, I can wait a bit more :P
15:13.44KriLL3arkanes: re-bound my numpad to be raid icons
15:14.38KriLL31 is skull, 2 is x etc
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15:14.55arkanesI only have 3 of them on there
15:15.07arkanesand I use the rest for otherstuff
15:15.09KriLL3I got em all, almost never use anything beyond skull though
15:15.20olafskimy numpad is too far out of the way for me to bind anything on it :P
15:15.26arkanesI've got skull, x, square, so I can do 2 kill orders and a CC
15:15.29arkanesthats all I need to do on the fly
15:15.39KriLL3olafski: generally the same for me, but to mark you don't really need to have your hand on your mouse
15:15.52KriLL3can quickly move it
15:16.19olafskiyou don't need your hand on the mouse? what do you select targets with then :<
15:16.33olafskiapparently there are addons that auto mark too.. have yet to try those
15:16.36arkanesolafski: target enemy, move hand, replace hand
15:16.41KriLL3arkanes: yeah
15:16.46olafskioh.. you press the numpad with right hand, I guess that works
15:16.48Kemayovhaarr: Turns out that the bagids for the guild bank don't seem to exist any more. I suppose I have to work out other ways of doing it.
15:16.50arkanesolafski: and I actually use tab target a lot
15:16.55olafskiI use F6-F9 for marking though
15:17.01vhaarrKemayo: note that mrplow supports guild bank sorting I believe
15:17.06arkanesmy left hand has all my ability CDs
15:17.07vhaarrKemayo: problem is it uses libperiodictable
15:17.12vhaarrfor some reason
15:17.23arkanesso its actually the important one as far as tanking goes
15:17.31arkaneswell, not all, but more than half
15:17.53KriLL3main reason I got ! shifting is pvp ofc
15:18.05KriLL3if I'm cc:ed I don't want to shift to another form and then back
15:18.23KriLL3though it does come in handy while tanking, don't need to exit bearform
15:18.43KriLL3though yes it does set your rage to 10, which isn't ideal if you had more
15:20.12olafskisometimes I get rooted and mobs run away from me, only to start casting just out of my reach
15:20.18olafskithis'll help :)
15:20.27arkanesyeah I didnt know that you could do that
15:20.34KriLL3yeah that's annoying
15:20.39arkanesI thought you had to burn at least a GCD in another form to powershift
15:20.56KriLL3HoR & FoS both have a lot of annoying casters
15:21.04KriLL3wish we had a ranged silence
15:21.40KriLL3arkanes: "powershift" isn't really correct, only increases your rage if it was sub 10
15:21.54KriLL3in the past powershift was to restore energy in catform, which you can't anymore
15:22.18KriLL3power increases steadily, though it does keep increasing outside of catform, and with furor you get to keep it when you enter catform again
15:22.22Repo10big-wigs: 03yoshimo * r7088 Citadel/Lanathel.lua: fixed berserktimer (-10 seconds)
15:22.37arkanesKriLL3: in my world powershift means any use of the shifting mechanics as a toggle
15:22.50KriLL3especially in pvp it's a good tactic to burn your energy in catform, then shift bear and deal some dmg, then shift back to cat when you got full energy
15:22.50arkanesso using it to clear roots counts, as well as the old trick of energy regen
15:23.20arkaneswhich honestly I thought was pretty cool
15:23.50arkanesand I think they should keep for kitty DPS, can simplify the rotation with catform talents that extend the duration of mangle when you rip or something similar
15:25.50KriLL3naw don't think it's a good idea to keep the 40 energy thing in catform, but yes I think they should simplify feral rotations a bit, merge something with something else
15:25.55KriLL3a lot to keep track of atm
15:25.58arkanesyeah
15:26.05arkanesmutilate was very similar at launch
15:26.13arkanesthey can simplify cat the same way
15:26.27KriLL3make rake a proc from other attacks perhaps kinda like warrior's crit bleed thing?
15:26.53arkaneswell the biggest trick to kitty dps is juggling the duration of all the debuffs you need, as well as the energy to reapply them
15:27.13arkanesso removing just a couple of them from needing to be manually reapplied would make an enormous difference
15:27.30arkanesmake rip refresh mangle, no more manglebotting
15:27.37KriLL3Shadowed: is there a way to open eg outside of a party and eg summary in a party with a macro?
15:27.55arkanesthat leaves rake and savage roar
15:28.24KriLL3savage roar feels redundant imo, it's a flat 30% dmg increase and you should always have it up
15:28.31arkanesit's just like slice & dice
15:28.37KriLL3increase our dmg 20%~ and remove SR  
15:28.42MegalonSnD feels redundant imo, it's a flat 30% dmg increase and you should always have it up
15:28.44arkanescould make FB refresh roar
15:28.48arkanesthat'd be interesting
15:29.00KriLL3Megalon: sorry don't play rogue
15:29.12KriLL3but yes that sounds equally redundant
15:29.17AckisTorhal: http://www.wowace.com/addons/spamalyzer/ :D
15:29.17Megalonit's a vital point of those classes for pvp
15:29.23frontendloaderFB refreshing roar would be ridiculous
15:29.31Ackis@project Auracle
15:29.32RepoAckis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/auracle/. Auracle (De)Buff Monitor. Game: WoW. taleden (Manager/Author). Updated: 41 hours ago. Tickets: 7/24
15:29.33arkanesits how they make you care about doing your rotation
15:29.55Megalonwould be nice if every dk strike
15:29.56arkanesfrontendloader: I'm not interested in the balance of the DPS involved, just what a more fun rotation would be
15:30.01Megalonwould reset disease durations
15:30.06Megalonbecause PS/IT feel so redundant
15:30.36arkanesMegalon: you don't refresh with pest?
15:30.51arkanesI suppose blood wouldn't
15:30.55KriLL3Megalon: well DKs are already faceroll, ferals are one of the most complicated "rotations" out there
15:32.59Ackisthe url: http://static.wowace.com/content/files/410/359/Auracle-r88.zip/Auracle/license.txt == Auracle r88 and license.txt ?
15:33.27Ackisnevcairiel: did you see the wowace report earlier?
15:33.44nevcairielshould i have?
15:33.51Ackishttp://www.wowace.com/home/private-messages/1324-report-r88/
15:34.01Ackismeh that URL may not work
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15:34.17nevcairielthe url works
15:34.31nevcairielbut the url in the post is 404 for me
15:34.35Ackisyeah
15:34.37Ackissame
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15:34.46Ackisthat's what I'm trying to figure out before I dismiss this guy as a moron
15:34.48nevcairielmaybe he just means the file in the zip?
15:34.50nevcairieli dunno
15:35.50arkanesthat looks like MIT to me
15:36.01arkanesat least in essence
15:36.33KriLL3errm, why doesn't /startattack; /targetenemy; /cast Maul; /cast Swipe; work? (enter after each ;) doesn't cycle targets, just mauls the same one over and over, no swipes either
15:36.50olafskibecause you already have an enemy targeted I guess
15:37.02arkanes<PROTECTED>
15:37.12KriLL3doesn't exit
15:37.26KriLL3"Type '/help'..."
15:37.27olafskihm no targetenemy should target the next one according to wowwiki
15:37.48KriLL3does, but it doesn't in the macro
15:37.59arkanesput the startattack after it
15:38.00olafskioh I have an unrelated question.. could anyone recommend a really simple buff watching thing in which I can watch the duration of hunger for blood and slice & dice? mostly slice & dice.. it keeps running out before I remember to refresh it
15:38.14KriLL3arkanes: nope
15:38.28arkanesolafski: there are many!
15:38.38krkaolafski: i have a simple addon locally that makes the button blink when it needs to be reapplied
15:38.47arkanesolafski: I actually wrote my own, but I have been a lazy sod and the published version doesn't work anymore
15:38.49olafskiaye I know.. I've never had a use for them but this is kinda important :P
15:39.02krkabut not ready for publish :/
15:39.04arkanesolafski: just go to the rogue section of any addon site and choose from the billions
15:39.25olafskikrka: I need to know it before it wears off in this case, since evisc/envenom will reset S&D to its max duration
15:39.30Pneumatusolafski: i use needtoknow
15:39.46olafskiI use TellMeWhen to notify me when something has actually worn off.. perhaps I can have it show S&D at all times or something
15:39.58krkaolafski: i was actually thinking of using a cooldown count of sorts to show the debuff time left on the actionbutton
15:40.09Pneumatuseither TMW with a timer on the icon, or NTK with a bar for duration
15:40.15krkashould be easy enough to add
15:40.19arkaneskrka: theres an addon already that does that too :P
15:40.23krkathis is for my dps cat, but same principle for rogues
15:40.31krkaarkanes: yeah, i just prefer to write my own stuff
15:40.31olafskiyer guess I'll try to use TMW.. last time I tried those timers, they didn't do anything
15:40.35arkanesany of the various cycle mods do it
15:40.42krkaand i cant be assed to search amoung billions of addons
15:40.48Ackisolafski: I'm owning Hasbro Family Game Night!!!
15:40.52arkanesI'm not kidding, theres at least a dozen different rogue ones that all work in basically the same way
15:41.03arkanesmines called CandyDice and its on wowi
15:41.11asmodaiMmm
15:41.13olafskiackis: yay.. :P
15:41.14arkanesif you think you'd want to use it I can push a version that might actually work for someone
15:41.15krkai'll have a look
15:41.21asmodaiGot a new email from Google recruitment.
15:41.42krkadoes candydice overlay the countdown on the action buttons?
15:41.52arkanesno, it creates timer bars
15:41.56krkai see
15:42.09arkanesI was really talking to olafski :P
15:42.19arkanesI don't rememeber the name of the one I saw that put it on the action button
15:42.50krkai'll just tweak my own, it's really trivial work
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15:43.29arkanesolafski: NeedToKnow is a good addon in this vein
15:43.57arkanesand I really should start using it instead of mine, since it' got all the features I never got around to adding
15:44.28krkaheh
15:45.24olafskiarkanes: cheers, I'll check that out ;)
15:45.53olafskilooks like it'll do what I want.. and a whole lot more, but I guess I'll have to live with that :)
15:46.03arkanesmines a fast, dark, lightweight theme :P
15:46.13krkahmm... seems like i'm the only one who wants this info on my buttons
15:46.16sb|work@describe NeedToKnow
15:46.17Reposb|work: No project found that matches 'needtoknow'
15:46.30sb|workarkanes: its not there!
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15:46.56arkanesits hosted on wowi
15:47.15krkaand curse?
15:47.25arkaneslooks like it uses curseforges tickets, but wowis repo
15:47.43Pneumatus@project need-to-know
15:47.45arkanesor not
15:47.48RepoPneumatus: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/need-to-know/. NeedToKnow. Game: WoW. Kitjan (Manager/Author), lieandswell (Former author). Updated: 11 days ago. Tickets: 11/23
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15:48.24sb|work@describe need-to-know
15:48.25Reposb|work: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/need-to-know/. NeedToKnow. NeedToKnow is a light-weight addon to monitor specific buffs, debuffs, and totems of your choosing as timer bars that always ...
15:48.28krkahttp://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/need-to-know.aspx
15:48.37arkanesgod I should go to work
15:48.40arkanesbut I don't want to
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16:02.00KriLL3is there a way to make a macro only target enemy NPCs?
16:02.26Megalonhas the npc the exact same name as a player/pet?
16:02.41KriLL3it's not a specific NPC
16:02.45Megalon/targetenemy ...
16:02.53KriLL3also targets enemy players
16:03.04Megalonwell then
16:05.05arkaneswell they are enemies
16:11.16sb|workMAH
16:11.19sb|work<-- pissed
16:11.34sb|workone of my officers got "hacked" last night, all primordial saronite gone
16:11.52KriLL3sure he didn't just covet it himself?
16:11.55sb|workand he things of quitting wow now (that means we will never get that stuff back :o)
16:12.03sb|workyes :o
16:12.28sb|workofficer for ~3 years now, i know him personally etc. - thats not the point
16:12.37sb|work"hacker" attached authenticator to his account, wtf...
16:13.05sb|worki still don't get wtf all those people are doing with their passwords
16:13.19Megalonthey all have one password
16:13.21sb|work(not getting an authenticator is another point, i know... *sigh*)
16:13.24Megalonand use it for everything
16:13.29sb|workmaybe...
16:13.38Megalonmost of the time they even sign there personal email with it
16:13.45Megalonbecause it is there fucking surname
16:13.51Megalonor 123456
16:13.54Megalonone of the two :P
16:14.20KriLL3I couldn't tell you my password even if I wanted to =P
16:14.26KriLL3very long random thing
16:14.46sb|workso copy&past every time? :p
16:14.48sb|workpaste even
16:15.03KriLL3no I input it using a password manager that auto fills the form in the login
16:15.46KriLL3requires another password to work and my machine locks itself after 10mins of disuse / keybind that requires another long key
16:16.05sb|workwhat software are you using? still looking for some GOOD software *sigh*
16:16.26KriLL3it's a very custom hacked together script  
16:16.37KriLL3and it makes use of my n52te
16:17.23arkanessb|work: you can apply for recovery even if the hacked person isn't in control of the account, or leaves wow
16:17.31KriLL3my computer can't be unlocked btw without a tiny usb memory stick being connected on the right USB port that's well hidden
16:17.44sb|workarkanes: oh? good thing then.. but anyway i hope he will return ;)
16:17.45arkaneswe had a guld member on vacation get hacked and loot the bank, I got everything back and they shut the account down
16:17.54KriLL3it's also my keyring, so I take it along when I leave the house
16:18.13arkanesKriLL3: they have a thing like that that works over bluetooth
16:18.22KriLL3yeah but I don't trust bluetooth
16:18.23arkanesKriLL3: you don't need to attach it, just be near
16:18.37arkaneswhy would you trust usb but not bluetooth?
16:18.52KriLL3bluetooth is glitchy, slow, annoying etc
16:19.04arkanesah so not an actual reason :P
16:19.27arkanesalso why do you have a hacked up USB thing instead of just a standard smartcard?
16:19.32KriLL3besides this was free, just used a robust USB stick I had around
16:19.33arkanes(easy to clone your USB keychain drive)
16:20.06KriLL3arkanes: well no not really, uses a unique key system that's a cipher of various information about the stick
16:20.23arkanesI'm not sure I believe you
16:20.24KriLL3manufacturer info etc
16:20.36KriLL3then don't
16:20.46arkanesah you mean the unverifiable information thats in the eprom on the stick?
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16:21.00arkanesslightly harder to clone than just the data on the drive I suppose
16:21.01KriLL3well true, but it's not as easy as just copying a file
16:21.17KriLL3also it has to be the same size, not terribly harder either I suppose, but still something
16:21.17arkanesa smartcards still better
16:21.28arkanesno, it just has to say its the same size
16:21.34KriLL3arkanes: yes but then you need to buy a card and reader etc
16:22.03arkanesI should see if I can make the fingerprint reader on my laptop work
16:22.18Megalonhaha, usb sticks
16:22.53Megalonbest thing was a few weeks ago, about usb sticks with encryption in hardware
16:23.05arkanestheres a lot of those on the market
16:23.10arkanesthey're lies, of course
16:23.11Megalonand then they found out
16:23.21Megalonthat not the password was sent to the sticks
16:23.27Megalonbut always the same string
16:23.51arkanesmy wife has something thats branded as some sort of secure encrypted USB
16:23.53Megalonpassword was only veryfied in the pc itself
16:23.57Megalonpretty hilarious
16:24.08arkanesbut its all done in software with a driver it tries to install with autorun
16:24.09KriLL3facepalm
16:24.37KriLL3yeah I've seen some U3 "secure" sticks as well, wouldn't trust anything to something like that
16:24.43Repo10bank-stack: 03Kemayo * r148 / (3 files in 1 directory):
16:24.45RepoProblem with guild bank sorting is that guild-bank-replacement addons which suppress loading of Blizzard_GuildBankUI (like Bagnon) stop MAX_GUILDBANK_SLOTS_PER_TAB from existing. Add a LoadAddOn to get around this.
16:24.54Kemayovhaarr: That fixed it for me.
16:24.54arkaneslots of snake oil out there
16:25.06vhaarrKemayo: cool let me reboot for kernel update then I will test it
16:25.24KriLL3putting a trucrypt volume on a usb stick is far more secure right?
16:25.48arkanesits exactly as secure as a trucrypt volume anywhere else
16:26.03arkanesmodule paranoia about mitm attacks on your USB hardware
16:26.04KriLL3what I figured
16:26.27arkaneswhat if someone has an induction tracer on your northbridge?
16:26.31arkanesWHAT THEN, MISTER BOND
16:27.43KriLL3did you see the "hacking" in transformers? snake like metal tentacles moving around PCBs latching on at random places
16:28.05arkanesthat is not a thing I saw
16:28.06KriLL3all that would accomplish is short circuiting the whole thing
16:28.17arkanesmaybe they're smart snakes
16:28.23KriLL3right...
16:28.27Tentacledrandom is what you saw.
16:28.47arkanesTentacled: it was YOU!
16:28.56Tentacledapplying precise electric impulses to just the right spots...
16:29.10Tentacledoh shush, that was cousin Pete.
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16:30.05vhaarrKemayo: yeah seems fine, sorting as we speak
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16:31.08vhaarrKemayo: but it broke bagnon
16:31.10KemayoShiny.
16:31.18KemayoHow so?
16:31.26vhaarrKemayo: previously when I opened my guildbank only the bagnon gb frame would open
16:31.33vhaarrafter running bankstack, the blizzard frame opens as well
16:31.39vhaarrwhen I visit the bank again
16:31.57KemayoHm, okay.
16:32.20KemayoI suppose I'll just hardcode the constant in bankstack. It's unlikely to ever change, after all.
16:33.38arkanesooh theres some famous last words
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16:35.29Repo10bank-stack: 03Kemayo * r149 core.lua: Just hardcode the constant instead of loading guildbankui.
16:35.34Kemayovhaarr: Should be no problem now.
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16:36.27KemayoI just need to remember I did that, in case they ever change the size of bank tabs.
16:37.43vhaarrcool
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16:39.39Megalonhardcodes COMMON_SENSE into Fisker's brain
16:39.56Megalonno watch the world collide
16:40.04Megalons/no/now/
16:46.44Repo10libquixote-2-0: 03Kemayo * r85 LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua:
16:46.46RepoHandle new 'log' objective-type, which seems to have replaced 'event'. Or maybe is just sometimes used in place of it.
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16:53.48cncfanaticsAnyone know of any gridstatusswiftmend addons ? That'd show if my target is swiftmendable ? (I don't want to use the rejuv & regrowth indicators as I wouldn't be able to use em for hot display then .. (Because of "show only mine" )
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16:55.46yoshimowitness the fury of the cosmos megalon^^
16:59.17cncfanaticsNo gridswiftmend anywhere ? :(
17:01.53Repo10bank-stack: 03Kemayo * r150 / (2 files in 1 directory):
17:01.55RepoUse the broker object to show how many moves are remaining. (Mostly useful for guild bank sorts, since everything else is over quickly.)
17:02.07pompycncfanatics: http://www.wowace.com/addons/grid-status-hots/ is the only closest thing i could find, but guess doesn't help still as i dont see swiftmend listed in it
17:02.17cncfanaticsYeah, I think I'll just make one
17:02.25cncfanaticsIs there any howtos anywhere on how to write grid modules ?
17:04.27steevUGH
17:04.36steev3120 cheapest Primo Saronite currently :/
17:05.04profalbert:( only 2300 here
17:05.22steevi wish ours would drop to those prices
17:05.38steevnow that a few people have shadow's edge they are tryin to make some of their money back
17:05.41yoshimo1800 here its dropping
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17:07.09KaeltenArrowmaster: what did I bandaid?
17:07.16nevcairielthe server
17:07.32Kaelten?
17:07.47nevcairielwith the reboot instead of fixing the reason for the reboot :d
17:07.59Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.1-8-g71f5fef modules/tags.lua: [+1 commit] Power tags shouldn't show a negative number on last Drak'tharon keep boss
17:08.14Kaeltenah yeah. sadly the reason for the reboot defies discovering
17:08.35nevcairieldidnt you kinda establish that svnserve is to blame?
17:08.39durcynwhat was the beef?
17:08.53nevcairielthe thing just dies
17:09.57Kaeltenthat's my speculation
17:10.08Kaeltenbut regular restarts/killing of svnserve didn't fix it
17:10.33Kaeltenthat and the packager and documenter need a good going over to make sure they're working properly as daemons
17:10.35Kaeltenstill not sure of that
17:10.56nevcairielyou should finish cc4 already
17:11.24KaeltenI'm getting to a point here, hopefully by the end of the month, where I'm going to start splitting my time more.
17:11.29sb|workMegalon: mh, i'm pretty sure he didn't use that password on other sites/games/... and it was a number+letter combination password
17:11.33sb|workso no idea how that happened :/
17:11.57sb|workcomputer is ~clean (its no stupid "i dont have a clue, there is no virus!!!" guy)
17:12.02yoshimoi think forum messaging and the rest of wowaces pms should access the same messages but i can wait for it
17:12.21KaeltenI'll be soooo fucking happy when I can shelve the 10.4 support
17:12.30Kaeltenyoshimo: ya it's on the list as it were.
17:12.41KaeltenI also have a lot I want to do with tickets
17:12.51Kaeltenand revamp the whole notification/subscriptions system
17:13.56nevcairielYou should just wait for the 10.4 LTS of ubuntu and redo the server with that, hopefully solving the issue :D
17:14.23Kaeltenya, that's coming in april right?
17:14.38vhaarr.4 is the month, so yes
17:14.57cncfanaticsserver .. Ubuntu ..
17:15.01nevcairielyeah their releases are always easy to guess :d
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17:16.12Kaeltenlol I just know it's every april and october
17:16.16yoshimocncfanatics whats wrong with ubuntu servers?
17:16.26cncfanaticsIsn't ubuntu a desktop distro ,
17:16.28cncfanatics?*
17:16.30Kaeltencncfanatics: yes we have about 12 or so ubuntu servers.
17:16.30nevcairiel<year>.<month> .. 10.4 :P
17:16.40Kaeltennevcairiel: lol, fair enough
17:16.53Kaeltencncfanatics: they are, they also have a good general purpose server distro
17:17.19yoshimoyou can run your desktop /server with debian or suse as well
17:17.41nevcairieli run debian stable on my web server in teh interwebz
17:17.57cncfanaticsI tend to use arch/gentoo
17:18.33KaeltenI looked at gentoo once, have a friend who used to do their python package management, seemed like too much work for the reward in my use case.
17:19.56nevcairielthe reward is to simply get out of the evil "release cycle" business and get updates whenever they are considered stable, imho thats a great thing :)
17:20.07nevcairielthe initial setup is a bit more work, although on a server, not even that much
17:20.43nevcairielbut if you don't know the "gentoo way", you might have to learn a bit more
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17:26.19vhaarrthat's the same for all distros though, some more than others of course
17:26.23vhaarrgentoo might be one of those
17:27.09vhaarrI haven't tried slackware since ... probably the 4.x days
17:27.18vhaarrbeen considering giving it a go again soon
17:27.25nevcairiellike i said its not that much for servers, as you usually don't want/need any default generated settings, just for Desktops gentoo doesnt provide a pre-configured desktop environment that just works
17:27.40nevcairielwhich stops alot of people that just want to try it :D
17:27.59vhaarryeah but there's some kind of gentoo-based livecd though
17:28.02vhaarrI forgot the name
17:28.09nevcairielthey have their own livedvd
17:28.12nevcairielwhich works fine
17:28.28vhaarrit boots to a desktop?
17:28.31nevcairielyea
17:28.33vhaarrit didn't do that when I tried it, years ago
17:28.36nevcairielits pretty new, october or so
17:28.59nevcairielthey officially released it as 10.0 for the 10th anniversary of gentoo
17:29.07nevcairieli think there is 10.1 now with some fixes
17:29.29nevcairielbut those versions just go for the livedvd, inside the distro they don't matter :D
17:29.35vhaarrye
17:29.59vhaarrI don't appreciate the release-based stuff either, I like moving targets
17:30.03vhaarrlike gentoo or rawhide
17:30.21nevcairielis rawhide source based too?
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17:30.58vhaarrno, it's just the development head
17:31.22vhaarryou know like in ubuntu you have the distros; "karmic", "lucid", etc
17:31.25vhaarrwhen one is released
17:31.27nevcairieloh wait, rawhide is fedora, yeah
17:31.32vhaarryou have to manually edit apt.conf to point to the new one
17:31.39vhaarrwhile for rawhide you don't have to do that, or gentoo
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17:32.23vhaarror debians unstable/experimental either
17:32.54nevcairielwell binary distros still have the link-level dependency problem when releasing stuff, can't just compile against whatever version is installed, it has to match the package you are getting .. which is why on debian the backports exist, instead of just installing a package from unstable
17:33.11vhaarryeah there's backports for ubuntu as well
17:39.08nevcairielmeh i need some movie to watch tonight
17:39.41hastenaked blood!
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17:42.14nevcairieltoo bad voddler stopped working for me, guess they finally figured out how to block non-swedish people :D
17:44.38vhaarrPrivate Valentine - Blond and Dangerous
17:44.39asmodaiKemayo: Works as it should, 5s rule.
17:44.45vhaarrBlonde*
17:45.27nevcairielpreferable something i can also find in my video on demand service here!
17:45.37vhaarr:P
17:45.51vhaarrThe All Together, Righteous Kill, Bolt, Idiocracy
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17:48.31cncfanaticsIs there any intrest at all for a GridStatusSwiftmend addon ? I just finished it :P
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17:52.20cncfanaticsGuess not \o/ Then I won't feel guilty not releasing it
17:52.57yoshimonot everyone is hanging around in this channel that could need it ;)
17:53.30nevcairielI am a druid and i don't really see the use, tbh :d
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17:55.42cncfanaticsI have a display for my own hots using the regular regrowth/rejuv indicators
17:55.50cncfanaticsThe swiftmend one is handy because you can also swiftmend other people's hots
17:55.53TorhalKaelten: WTB less-evil Ackis.
17:55.58cncfanaticsAnd you usualy won't have those displayed anywhere
17:58.27cncfanaticsnevcairiel: Basicly just a very tiny thing I was missing and is sometimes handy :P
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18:04.54KaeltenTorhal: if you build it they will come
18:05.23TorhalKaelten: -^
18:08.18Repo10epgpreserves (experimental): 03felsir * r3 embeds.xml: updated embeds.xml
18:09.05asmodaiAnyone want some springrolls?
18:09.08AckisTorhal: hahah
18:09.29Repo10epgpreserves (experimental): 03felsir 04v1.0release * r4 : 1st release
18:11.50sb|workdescribe epgpreserves
18:11.52sb|work@describe epgpreserves
18:11.53sb|workdamn
18:11.53Reposb|work: http://www.wowace.com/addons/epgpreserves/. EPGPreserves. Make handling reservist EP easy (EPGP system)
18:15.47asmodaikandarz: Around?
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18:25.47nevcairielasmodai: i'll take some
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18:40.00TorhalAckis: :(
18:41.18AckisI owned you Torhal :D
18:41.32TorhalDown with douchebaggery!
18:41.34Torhal:D
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18:42.05durcynyeah, but how are we going to get rid of the entire country of canada, Torhal?
18:42.24Torhaldurcyn: Tacticle nukes?
18:42.30TorhalTactical*
18:42.39durcyntesticle nukes?
18:42.49Torhaldurcyn: That may just work.
18:43.08durcyncertainly would sterilize the hockey loving bastards
18:43.31Torhaldurcyn: Just don't let Cairenn know what you're planning.
18:44.00Cairennsmacks durcyn around with a clue-by-four!
18:44.18durcyndon't worry, you'll all be speaking english when we annex you for oil, Cairenn
18:45.02CairennI already speak English
18:45.25durcynwe all know you're a closet quebecois
18:45.35Cairennum
18:45.38Cairennno?
18:45.53durcynlook, you don't have to be ashamed anymore
18:45.58durcynit's okay, it's okay to speak french
18:46.32AeyanUntil we bomb them, right?
18:46.37AeyanThen it's not cool.
18:48.30Ackisthe quebecois say they want to put a wall around their province... I say let them do it! then we can fill it with water :D
18:52.32Ackisno one liked my joke
18:52.34Ackis:(
18:54.59durcynit was a canadian joke.
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19:12.09taledenAckis: I was confused by that ticket too.. he reported a plain text license file in my package as a virus, but then immediately marked his own ticket invalid
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19:12.32taledenI downloaded the package to make sure the included file really was still the plain text license it should be, and it is *shrug*
19:13.34asmodaiThis game never ceases to amaze me.
19:13.42asmodaiSomeone advertises his guild ' Euro Death Killer '
19:13.53asmodaisomeone named 'bumeyes'  complains about it being a bad name.
19:13.56asmodaiI love the irony there.
19:14.31Ackistaleden: his virus scanner is set up to be hard core, it's the name of your addon basically causing it to screw up.  I've had people say their scanners break when I had "wormhole generator" in a comment in my code
19:14.55taledenweird
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19:23.35GnarfozShadowed: http://paste.wowace.com/1657/ first: on "view" of an existing, empty filter; second: on creation of a new (and thus: empty) filter
19:25.56ckknightis there a good way to capture all the errors that a single addon creates?
19:27.03Kuosibuggrabber doesn't pull through or?
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19:37.23Gnarfozit's not addon-specific, it will capture all errors, though
19:37.34Gnarfozdunno if there's a bug capture addon that has filtering
19:37.39Gnarfoz~seen shadowed
19:37.41purlshadowed <n=Shadowed@li89-205.members.linode.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11h 33m 38s ago, saying: 'ahhh'.
19:43.52vhaarryou can easily write a filter for buggrabber anyway
19:44.04vhaarron top of bugsack even it's just adding 3 lines of code
19:52.52koaschtenhmmm are addons using libHealComm-3.0 automagically repacked with 4.0 at some point?
19:53.38nevcairielno
19:54.33koaschtenany easy way to cut down on the redundant 3.0 and 4.0 comms?
19:55.46nevcairielpoke the authors of the addons still using 3.0 until they switch
19:56.22koaschtenso its kinda write suggestion ticket and pray?
19:56.37Ackisyou poke harder over time
19:57.02koaschtenoh i'd like to punch people over standard tcp/ip but i dont think thats implemented yet either ;)
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20:04.20Gnarfozcan I /click other macros by name or just by button name?
20:10.09vhaarrkoaschten: if the repository for the addon is open just patch it yourself
20:10.39asmodaiAntiarc: Got a SexyCooldown bug for ya, Profiles > Copy From will add to a specific configuration instead of replacing it.
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20:11.19koaschtenwas more of a general observation while watching tv and being outside the instance in a guild social pug raid and well... you guess it, more curiosity and boredom, asking and stuff ;)
20:11.29asmodaiAntiarc: Or at least, it shows entries in the bars drop down, however they don't seem to have retained their configuration though.
20:12.10durcynthe profile copy stuff is part of ace, he's probably just doing like every other addon and forgetting to do anything with the OnProfileChanged callback
20:12.28durcynAntiarc: for shame!
20:13.23durcyn(or OnProfileCopied, as the case may be)
20:15.24nevcairielyeah apparently that system is too complicated for devs <.<
20:15.35nevcairielonly a few addons do it properly
20:15.51durcynmy ace3 ones do!
20:16.29Xinhuanomen3 does it properly!
20:18.08asmodaigives Xinhuan a cookie
20:18.24Xinhuanwithout using the :Disable() :Enable() trick many ppl do too
20:18.32asmodainevcairiel / durcyn: Will it keep the erroneous information around or is it merely in the UI?
20:18.49XtekPut the cookie down!
20:20.16Groktari wish there was a way to make postal send to a different chat frame
20:20.27Groktarpokes
20:21.55durcynasmodai: basically, unless you reread the db on a profile change, then redraw everything, it's going to stay as-is until the next time the db is referenced
20:22.13durcynwhich may be never
20:22.36durcynso, firstly, reloadui; and, secondly, yell at Antiarc
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20:37.10asmodaidurcyn: ok, good to know
20:37.24asmodaiXtek: You want a cookie too?
20:37.35Xtekasmodai, could I?
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20:40.29Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1212 / (12 files in 2 directories):
20:40.31Repo- Fixed incorrect period display on Starfall and Death and decay
20:40.33Repo- Added option to select the amount of targets to assume in AoE calculations. This is a work in progress and don't expect it to work on everything yet.
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20:49.59kandarzasmodai: I'll be back in 4 hours, we'll talk then
20:51.59asmodaikandarz: Doubt I'll be awake
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20:52.06asmodaikandarz: will mail you the details :)
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21:00.05Repo10handy-notes_city-guide: 03zarevak * r26 / (3 files in 2 directories): koKR translation by "cakehouse"
21:00.07ReporuRU translation by "Zuz666"
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21:08.04Repo10handy-notes_city-guide: 03zarevak 04v1.0.10 Release * r27 : Tagging as v1.0.10 Release.
21:08.05Repo- koKR translation by "cakehouse"
21:08.07Repo- ruRU translation by "Zuz666"
21:08.08RepoThank you both!
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21:09.29Repo10handy-notes_trainers: 03zarevak * r77 HandyNotes_Trainers.toc: updated zhTW localization by andy52005. Thank you!
21:09.50Fisker@project blessed
21:09.53RepoFisker: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blessed/. Blessed. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 17 days ago
21:10.40Repo10handy-notes_trainers: 03zarevak 04v1.2.13 Release * r78 : Tagging as v1.2.13 Release.
21:10.42Repo- updated zhTW localization by "andy52005". Thank you!
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21:12.40yoshimofisker, is your brain so weak already? your asking repo about that addon every 2minutes^^
21:13.13Repo10handy-notes_vendors: 03zarevak * r74 / (2 files in 2 directories): added ruRU localization by Zuz666
21:13.15Repoupdated zhTW localization by andy52005
21:13.16RepoThank you!
21:13.40Stanzillanp
21:14.53Repo10handy-notes_vendors: 03zarevak 04v1.2.4 Release * r75 : Tagging as v1.2.4 Release.
21:14.55Repo- added ruRU localization by "Zuz666"
21:14.56Repo- updated zhTW localization by "andy52005"
21:14.57RepoThank you both!
21:17.21Repo10handy-notes_charon: 03zarevak * r31 / (2 files in 2 directories): added zhTW localization by "andy52005". Thank you!
21:17.49Repo10dr-damage: 03karzon13 * r1213 Data/Shaman.lua: Shaman coefficients updated.
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21:20.09DarkAuditjust had a pop-up window about the curse auto-updater... this is supposed to happen?
21:26.25Repo10handy-notes_charon: 03zarevak 04v0.8.1 Beta * r32 : Tagging as v0.8.1 Beta.
21:26.27Repo- added zhTW localization by "andy52005". Thank you!
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21:27.45yoshimoDarkAudit, it will show its changelog if it updates
21:29.47DarkAuditI had version 3... went ahead and installed version 4 from the web site just to be safe
21:31.29GnarfozShadowed: http://paste.wowace.com/1657/ first: on "view" of an existing, empty filter; second: on creation of a new (and thus: empty) filter
21:32.09Shadowedpost a ticket for it so I don't forget, will look tomorrow need to do other stuff today
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21:43.04nevcairielwe havent had any of that spam here, why are we afraid now?
21:43.16nevcairieltbh, i get more spams from opers warning me about spam then actual spam
21:44.01yoshimoi never seen any spam in here, except fisker
21:46.22Repo10incubator2: 03Morgalm * r7 Modules/Incubator2_ICC/ICC.lua: Incubator2
21:46.24Repo-added ICC crimson wing trash
21:48.01yoshimoincubator is back in action? nice one
21:49.14durcynguess morgalm got unlazy before i did
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21:49.44Stanzillayou can get unlazy with quartz3
21:50.06Groktarsets fire to Stanzilla
21:50.25Groktaronly typing the first letter of someone's name before tabbing is a very bad idea in this channel
21:50.42nevcairielif you have last-spoke order it usually works out
21:51.00Groktartrue
21:51.30Stanzillai always fuck up on shefki/shirik .(
21:51.34Groktarmmm some guy selling ametrines for 60g in trade
21:51.45Shirik...
21:51.49Stanzilla:p
21:52.02Stanzillayou shouldn't get highlighted with the "/"!
21:52.03Groktari bought six
21:52.05Groktar>.>
21:53.01harlwth.. i just saw a druid "flying" on a fast ground mount in his fast flying form, at the speed of the ground mount
21:53.04harloO
21:53.49nevcairielyeah that bug happens
21:53.56Groktarthat's awesome
21:54.31nevcairielif the mount summoning lags you can cast the flying form in between the mount cast and its appearance
21:54.55nevcairielwell its a bit more to it then that, but yeah :d
21:55.59yoshimothe dalaran lag causes me to swim through the air if i dismount over the town ;)
21:56.51nevcairieli can usually fly 4 circles in dalaran before it notices and gives me the debuff
21:59.19NeoTronI love when you're mounted on a flying mount without the mount
21:59.24NeoTron(i.e the swimming thing)
21:59.34NeoTronI was swimming around shattrah back in the day
21:59.57nevcairielit used to be like that in stormpeaks in that village that transforms you .. brunhildar or something
22:00.07nevcairielgo there in flying form, and you're a swimming guy
22:00.18nevcairieli believe they fixed it
22:00.19yoshimobrunhildar was fixed i heard. and im not a druid
22:00.42NivFreaknevcairiel: still does it as of 3.2
22:00.45NivFreaknot sure about 3.3
22:00.53nevcairieli thought i read something in 3.3 changes
22:01.09NivFreakI thought it was hilarious
22:01.12yoshimoNivFreak, your still on 3.2`?
22:01.18NivFreakyoshimo: no :P
22:01.23NivFreakI haven't flown my druid out there since 3.3
22:01.49yoshimochina lags behind on patches , doesnt it?
22:01.59NivFreakthey lag behind in having a game
22:02.02NivFreakno wow in china
22:02.44yoshimodidnt they have the game run by the9?
22:02.55nevcairielchina has wow
22:02.58NivFreaknevcairiel: not anymore
22:03.04NivFreakthe9 lost thier licenese
22:03.10NivFreakthe other company couldn't get approval
22:03.13nevcairielyeah but some other company took over
22:03.22nevcairieloh? its dead now?
22:03.23NivFreakyea
22:03.31NivFreakhttp://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/11/02/netease-slides-china-agency-rejects-world-of-warcraft/
22:04.02nevcairielblizzard should team up with google and just allow access to the default WoW :D
22:04.02yoshimodidnt shadowed stop some changes to lhc4 because he didnt want to break compatibility with non 3.3 wows like in china?
22:04.36yoshimothey changed undead models, something else?
22:05.05arkanesnot enough changes, fast enough
22:05.13NivFreakwait
22:05.15NivFreakmaybe it's back
22:05.18NivFreakhttp://www.jlmpacificepoch.com/newsstories?id=161232_0_5_0_M
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22:06.35yoshimoillegal wow?
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22:08.35Groktarchina is so bizarre :(
22:10.05NivFreakso I haven't seen anything since novemeber either way
22:11.17nevcairieli usually just ignore china-wow anyway
22:11.38NivFreakso the question is
22:11.42NivFreakwho sells gold to the chinese
22:12.23yoshimoif they dont are allowed to have their own servers, isnt it illegal to play on european and us servers as well?
22:12.35ShadowedPretty sure China still has WoW
22:12.38NivFreakthey play on tiwanese servers
22:12.40NivFreakala stars
22:12.47Shadowedbecause I get some sort of localization
22:13.02arkanesyoshimo: I believe it's not that the game has been made illegal per se, but that the company running it has been denied a license to operate it
22:13.10Shadowednevcairiel: Yea, that's what I normally do. But I don't think people would like me too much if I made them do the same thing for a minor change :p
22:14.29yoshimoi think china is crazy anyway, trying to mess with an rpg^^
22:14.56nevcairielchina trys to mess with google, talk about crazy :P
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22:15.14NivFreakso does canada!
22:15.32nevcairielcanada is already proven crazy
22:15.54asmodaiwtf
22:15.54NivFreakoh
22:16.01NivFreakso it sounds like the servers are up in china
22:16.03yoshimowho had troubles with cursepoints and taxes because he is from canada?
22:16.04NivFreakbut they aren't allowed to charge
22:16.10asmodaiI did a reloadui and now I have a HUGE ass hearthstone in my view
22:16.21nevcairielasmodai: it wants you to go home and rest
22:16.29asmodaiyou got to see this
22:16.42nevcairielNivFreak: iirc, wow was free-to-play in china for a while now
22:16.56NivFreakall I have is what I can read online
22:17.00NivFreakI had heard that before too
22:17.38nevcairielit really must be no fun with all those playtime limitations, though
22:17.51arkanesthey're not that onerous, as I understand it
22:18.09nevcairielbut as stupid as it sounds, the chinese are the only people that actually managed to play themself to death
22:18.16asmodainevcairiel: http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/hearth.png
22:18.19arkaneswasn't that guy actually korean?
22:18.24yoshimohow does the company pay the servers if they arent allowed to get money from the users?^^
22:18.29nevcairielsame diff, imho :P
22:18.41arkanesand actually there was an american who did it a few years before that
22:19.01arkanesEQ addict apparently had a heart attack at his computer and didn't log off or something
22:20.26NivFreaknevcairiel: http://www.digitaleastasia.com/2009/11/04/showdown-in-china-gapp-rejects-neteases-wow-application-moc-rejects-gapp-authority/
22:20.32NivFreakthat actually has some info
22:21.58arkanessounds like theres some political turfing going on with the regulatory agencies in china
22:22.28asmodainevcairiel: That's SexyCooldown's fault btw
22:22.38asmodainevcairiel: Guess it lost its marbles after that profile thinghy
22:22.44yoshimo"while working on removing the inappropriate content within the game,"LOL
22:22.59arkanesyoshimo: they're talking about the skellingtons
22:23.12yoshimotheir only problem are corpses?
22:23.21arkanestheres probably some other stuff too
22:23.30arkanesthere always is, with this sort of thing
22:24.45arkanesbut I guess to chinese folks, seeing skeletons run around is like if you made an american MMO where everyone wore vaginas or something
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22:26.04Azurewrathi'd buy that.
22:27.32asmodaiarkanes: It's not that bad actually
22:28.16arkanesman why doesn't vista have expose :(
22:28.16asmodaiOtherwise all the Taiwanese would also be boycotting it like crazy.
22:28.25NivFreakthey replace coffins too
22:28.28NivFreakas I recall
22:28.39NivFreakthere was a decent comparison of the US vs China versions somewhere
22:28.47nevcairielthe skeletons players leave behind are little tombstones in china :d
22:28.47arkanesnot vista, but windows 7
22:28.55yoshimoarkanes, they cant see a naked female breast but all the rappers and their "toys" i mean, woman ... its doesnt fit together really
22:31.09NivFreakI actually wish they would do the wow china model changes to undead ;)
22:32.09NivFreakhttp://www.key28.cn/Article/2009-7-30/6999.html
22:32.11NivFreakshows some of the changes
22:33.09arkanesthe bat ear icon was a nogo?
22:33.10arkaneswierd
22:33.15yoshimoare you sure?
22:33.23arkanesits in that article
22:34.02NivFreakonce again, I've not touched china wow myself, this is just what I've read
22:34.12NivFreakit's the internet, you never know :)
22:36.14IngelaAntiarc, do you have any idea why my sexycd bar is sometimes reseting the width?!
22:36.30Ingelaand only the width, nothing else
22:40.51olafskishadowed: my gf has a buckle on her belt but EG didn't report it as having a buckle.. can I file this somewhere? ;)
22:41.22Shadowedticket + armory
22:41.33Shadowedodds are it's going to come down to "nothing I can do about it" buckles aren't sent by Blizzard
22:41.45ShadowedI have no idea of detecting that an item has a buckle vs not short of some magic gem counting
22:42.30olafskihm that would mean you'd need to know for every item in the game whether it has sockets?
22:42.35olafskior rather, for every belt :P
22:42.43Ackisolafski: quit lying
22:42.45AckisLIAR
22:42.49olafski:(
22:42.50nevcairielits not that hard tbh
22:43.09Shadowednevcairiel: The problem is mainly you have no way of detecting an item that has a buckle, but no gem and an item that has no buckle
22:43.19Shadowedso if you have a buckle and no gem, it'll say you have no buckle
22:43.42nevcairielcan you get the socket count of items, even if there is no gems in them?
22:43.51ShadowedNot for belt buckles
22:44.19Repo10incubator2: 03Morgalm 04v1.01 * r8 : Tagging as v1.01
22:44.21ShadowedYou can attach a belt buckle, and then link it to somebody (without gemming it), they won't see the prismatic socket
22:44.21nevcairielsomehow the gem ui knows
22:44.30ShadowedYour client knows
22:44.33Shadowedinspect doesn't
22:44.33koaschtenwtf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwzklHZqkbE
22:44.37nevcairielah.
22:44.40nevcairielwell
22:44.51nevcairielif they have an empty buckle, it could as well be no buckle
22:44.58nevcairieljust yell at them to fix it
22:44.59ShadowedRight, that's what I'm saing :p
22:45.09ShadowedIt can say you have no belt buckle, even if you really do cause of that
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22:45.21olafskiposted a ticket
22:45.26Shadowedthanks
22:45.42nevcairielyou could make the error a bit more generic and say "no or empty belt buckle" :P
22:45.49olafskithat's what it says nevcairiel
22:46.09olafskishe does have a gem in it though
22:46.26nevcairielwell in that case it should be possible to see the difference
22:46.43Shadowedmmm
22:46.56ShadowedI haven't noticed any issues with failing to find belt buckles on belts without sockets
22:46.59Shadowedwill look into it later
22:47.38nevcairielthe gem ui and the item string allows for 4 sockets, right?
22:47.47Shadowedkind of?
22:47.59ShadowedThe item string allows for 4 sockets, the gem UI and everything uses a constant thats only setup for 3
22:48.19nevcairielheh, so no belts with 3 natural sockets ;)
22:48.23Shadowedright
22:48.25olafskibleh my username on wowace still isn't changed ;p can I request that from someone here or do I have to do it on the site.. or won't it happen at all :)
22:48.41olafskino gloves/bracers either =)
22:48.52ShadowedI assume they set it up so in Cataclysm they can add a 4th socket, but nothing in the game right now can have 4
22:49.01Shadowedor so they can just add a 4th one eventually without breaking every mod
22:49.02nevcairielyou could ask Kaelten, but he is usually pretty busy
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22:56.18nicoli_skaelten is pretty busy playing wow :P
22:56.36Kaeltenhrm?
22:57.19nicoli_summm....i mean saving lives
22:57.33Kaeltennot my fault ckknight can't hold agro
22:57.44ckknightwhey, I hold aggro fine for the most part
22:57.48nicoli_sits true, he has shamed his family in agro holdingf
22:57.57ckknightAdamar just keeps stealing it
22:58.08KaeltenI'm just going to disable libcommheal for a little while
22:58.37Ingelaso Kaelten you can change usernames? could you please just change mine with a capital I instead of "i"? Ingela instead of ingela :)
22:58.49Ingelai filled in one of those username changes like 3 months ago =(
22:59.45evlWhere is the default outgoing damage combat text created?
23:00.21KaeltenI'm waiting on an api to be pushed live, and after that I'll be all for it
23:03.37yoshimokaelten , why do you want to disable lhc?
23:03.51nicoli_shes allergic to black holes
23:03.56Kaeltenbecause it freaks ckknight out
23:04.06ckknightyea
23:06.02arkanesstupid higgs bosun
23:06.19arkanesits the thing that makes you get only 1 sock back when you put 2 into a dryer, you know
23:06.40Gnarfoz<asmodai> nevcairiel: http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/hearth.png <-- wth? :D
23:06.45Repo10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.11-6-g5104578 Code/Triggers.lua: [+1 commit] add Missile Barrage Trigger to defaults
23:06.48arkanesthats why lhc is causing a sock shortage in europe
23:08.18Ingelajust missing a bubble and you have all all you need for a paladin
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23:27.32winkillerarkanes: especially annoying is the time-bending effect
23:27.42winkillerlike.. socks disappearing for years before the LHC was built
23:28.06winkillerwhich proves my theory that it opens a wormhole to the past
23:28.22winkillerand at some point in the future europe will be covered in socks raining down
23:28.32winkillerit will mark the day of the sockalypse
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23:54.22fewynanyone happen to know of anything i can use to turn subversion commits into an rss feed?
23:54.59Killmorewow I was using curse client since alot of time and I give a try to WoWInterface Minion, he found so many update, I made them. Now I open back curse client and he also found alot of update
23:55.45NeoTronpretty safe to assume that mixing the two for addons both at curse and wowi is a bad idea overall
23:57.13arkanesthey seem to have different ways of doing version detection
23:57.28arkanesso to each one, the other sites addons look out of date
23:58.07arkanesfewyn: I think CIA does that
23:58.31yoshimowell, most of my addons are on curse so updating them with one tool and downloading the rest manually is easier
23:58.47arkanesbut if you don't want that, 3 seconds of googling led me here: http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/08/17/howto-adding-an-rss-feed-to-a-subversion-server/
23:59.08Killmoreyeah, I will not update them back with curse. but its weird :(
23:59.48fewyni think cia is a bit more than i need =p

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