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00:14.36Repo10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * v4.0.0-beta8-19-g0157396 Modules/Aura/FilterTypes.lua: [+1 commit] Ticket 684: Aura filter based on combat.
00:31.55Repo10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r445 / (2 files in 1 directory):
00:31.57Repov4.1: Improve the line consolidation feature - now filters identical lines by checking the last 5 lines instead of the last 1 line, old rules apply = no filtering of you/friends. Database cleanup. Alpha for a while.
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00:45.06ShadowedArrowmaster: ping
00:45.13Arrowmasterwhat
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00:59.02sylvanaargood morning
01:02.21Worfsigh ... am i blind or do events like entering/leaving a instance or combat not get logged to WoWCombatLog.txt?
01:03.12Arrowmastersomebody remove the spam on the lua code forums please before im tempted to ban the asshat
01:03.44ArrowmasterWorf: they do not
01:05.28Worfand i hoped i could split the logs into managable parts by csplit or so, using events like that ...
01:10.43NeoTronWorf: so how do you like Star Trek Online so far?
01:11.50WorfNeoTron: didn't eaven have a look at it. i use this nick for > 10 years now ...
01:12.09Worf. o O ( maybe i should tough )
01:12.55NeoTronhehe
01:13.21ShadowedYour name might be taken thought
01:13.36Worfhehe
01:15.49Worfgnarf ... having too much information is as bad as having no information. once the wow log grows several GBs in Size it starts to become somewhat unhandy
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01:22.58Groktari'm looking forward to wiping on blood queen because people don't have a bite button
01:23.56ShefkiGroktar: /cast Vampiric Bite
01:24.03ShefkiJust have people make a macro
01:25.37NivFreakyea, I'm curious where that shows up at
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01:36.54steevnon-fubar version of spamfu... GO
01:37.15steevalternately, what are people using?
01:37.30steevShefki: it should be the first button in your action bar
01:37.53ShefkiYeah so?
01:39.01steevif you can't press "1"
01:39.10steevhow can you expect them to write a macro
01:39.42ShefkiYou can have more than one bar.
01:40.24Tentacledwhat if it's fu? ;P
01:40.34ShefkiI used to macro all the abilities for the ghosts in BT since I don't like using the normal keybindings for that sort of thing.
01:47.47Repo10libkeybound-1-0: 03Azethoth 04r93 release * r94 : Tagging as r93 release
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01:55.41NeoTronwe had a wipe there because bartender changed the default mapping for the possess bar
01:55.55NeoTronwas fun :P
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01:59.28Axodiousknow what else is fun?
01:59.31Axodiousflood at work
01:59.38NeoTronno warlock buffs?
01:59.44Axodiousthat too
01:59.44WobWorkAxodious: could be worse
01:59.49WobWorkAxodious: could be sewerage
01:59.56Axodiousactually couldnt be better
02:00.08Axodiousi do IT there and they broke 8 computers and 2 servers
02:02.34TentacledHow deep a flood?
02:02.47Axodious~2 inches
02:02.56TentacledAnd who in their right mind keeps computers right on the floor... That's way unsafe dust-wise...
02:03.15Axodiouswasn't that, was the shitty cords they sued
02:03.16NeoTronhmm.. raised floor ftw?
02:03.31TentacledUnless someone hopes to foster a Dust Puppy.
02:03.35Axodiousand the server room omg
02:03.45Axodioussomehow
02:03.52Axodiousall the water pooled directly under the rack
02:04.03Axodiousit was kind of a ... moment
02:04.04Tentacled... and then tentacles sprouted!
02:04.21Tentacledwaves his as an example.
02:05.02Arrowmasteri keep my computer on the floor but ive got nowhere else to put it
02:05.10WobWorkhearkens back to DOTT
02:05.39Tentacledlike I could... *wobble* ... like I could...... *SPROING*  TAKE ON THE WORLD!
02:06.27WobWork^^
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02:08.00NeoTronso do I
02:08.09NeoTronbut if it gets flooded, we're in deep shit since it's on the 2nd floor
02:08.49Axodiousapparently the building i work at doesn't have pressure sensors for the wtaer pipes
02:09.06Axodiousthey didn't notice until the security guy heard water falling down the elevator shaft
02:13.19WobWorkPrior to which, he just kept getting the urge to go to the toilet all the time...
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03:00.04Groktarwe just wiped on gunship battle
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03:00.24Groktarholy lag batman
03:02.23Groktar/1 WHO PULLED RAZORGORE WTF
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03:06.38ArrowmasterGroktar: how many people got the joke?
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03:17.33arkanesanyone working on blood princes 10?
03:17.39Silowyihave you noticed how much more forgiving boss agro radii are now?
03:18.00arkanesshadow dude is just chasing down our lock tank and punching him to death
03:18.02Silowyi(I'm looking at you C'thun)
03:22.11Arrowmastercthun was special
03:22.32Arrowmasteralthough at 80 its stupid how close you have to get to him
03:24.57Axodioushey Shadowed you get any bad arguments with sync.lua?
03:25.12Shadowedyou mean string.format #2
03:25.12Shadowedyes
03:25.15Axodiousyea
03:26.12Repo10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * Beta4-14-g60f7a84 DB (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Added acquire data to account for the Reins of the Blue Drake to drop from doing Oculus.
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04:09.13Repo10ammo-matique: 03Anyia3 * r40 Ammo-matique.lua: * Fixed broken "/ammo config" command.
04:21.17steevblood prince time
04:21.26steevno transcriptor though :/
04:21.38steevif we wipe ill install it
04:25.01steevrofl... yeah...
04:25.55Stanzillasteev: don't kick the kinetic bomb too high or you'll aggro the blood queen :p
04:27.44steevseirously?
04:27.47steevseriously*
04:27.50quiescenskicks a kinetic bomb at stanzilla
04:27.55Stanzillayes
04:27.57Stanzillaand oh noes
04:28.09Stanzillasteev: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/22418751305-blood-queen-lanathel-aggroing-on-princes.html
04:29.35steevwe got em down like 10%
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04:33.32steevdots keep the bomb up yeah?
04:33.38steevlike diseases and such?
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04:41.33steevhrm, i think we're doing something wrong - i think the ranged one should be picked up first yeah?
04:42.45steevour main tank is getting hit by a lance in the beginning
04:42.50arkaneswe did like 10 pulls before we got past the "we must be doing somethig nwrong" stage
04:43.00arkanesonce lance shouldn't really hurt your tank
04:43.22arkanesand it gives the ranged tank more time to get orbs, they take a while to spawn
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04:43.53arkanesbut you can get within 40 yards of them before they aggro easy
04:45.38Groktarblood princess is fun
04:45.57steev70% again :/
04:46.26steevi'm so not looking forward to reading these fails
04:46.29Groktartook us 3 tries
04:46.41Groktarwe ended up doing the last 20% with 10 people up
04:46.42Groktarlol
04:47.06arkaneswe spent a long time getting our lock to not be one shot
04:47.09vhaarrsteev: plx, transcriptlolz
04:47.21Groktarthat was what killed everyone
04:47.39Groktarthe lock was standing too close to it
04:47.43Groktarto the mob
04:47.48arkanesyeah
04:47.49Groktarso the melee aoe pulled off his orbs
04:47.51Groktarand he sploded
04:47.53arkaneshe'll melee if you don't hite him
04:47.55arkanes*kite
04:48.02Groktarno, that wasn't it
04:48.05Groktarhe didn't get meleed
04:48.10arkanesoh, well that happens too
04:48.14steevarkanes: we don't have a lock :/
04:48.21steevtiem off for surgery
04:48.26arkanesand yeah, I wiped us on a perfect attempt because I threw an avengers shield at him and peeled off 2 orbs
04:48.44arkanesthen we had a 600k wipe cause my healer got knocked back (fail)
04:48.53arkanesand then a 13k one just from attrition
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04:49.13arkanessteev: who's your ranged tank?
04:50.19steevhunter :/
04:50.46steevvhaarr: whats the command?
04:50.49steev<PROTECTED>
04:50.58quiescensI don't think that's it
04:50.58arkaneswe'll be trying a hunter on thursday cause our lock will be gone
04:51.18steevokay there we go
04:51.19Ingeladid anyone of you try the new bosses in 10man yet?
04:51.24steevits /transcriptor
04:51.28arkanesIngela: <-
04:51.35Ingelahow where they arkanes ?
04:51.38Ingelahard?
04:51.41arkanesyes
04:51.43Ingelaor oneshot faceroll gogo?
04:51.44arkaneswe didn't quite get princes down
04:51.49Ingela:O
04:52.00arkanesbest attempt was a 13k wipe, we just ran out of time
04:52.08steevwhats the enrage timer like?
04:52.11arkanesno idea
04:52.16Groktarwhayt
04:52.18steev"ran out of time"
04:52.38arkanessteev: raid schedule
04:52.38steevahh
04:52.38Groktarshe's only got 22 million
04:52.38steevokay heh
04:52.38Groktardrops like a rock
04:52.38Groktaruploading our fraps
04:52.52arkanesprinces, not queen :P
04:53.09arkaneshardest part is ranged tank
04:53.20arkanesthe damage is very considerable
04:53.25Ingelaouch
04:53.45arkanesand he's got to keep threat on the boss while also moving, grabbing orbs, and not getting meleed
04:53.59arkanesalmost all of our wipes were caused by something going wrong with all that and him getting dropped
04:54.26arkanestheres a lot else going on but none of it is really that hard to handle, it's mostly mechanics you've seen before
04:54.49Ingeladon't stand in fire?
04:54.57arkaneswell, more compilcated than that
04:55.01arkanesbut not too much
04:55.08arkanesspread out, run away from the vortex
04:55.13steevthis is our last attempt on them :(
04:55.14arkanesI like the bouncing ball mechanic, thats new and fun
04:55.16steevDAMN IT I WANT MY MACE
04:55.32quiescensshh
04:55.40quiescensyelling is bad ):
04:55.50Ingelayeah we have kids here steev!
04:55.53Ingela.. or something
04:56.50steevfwiw, deathgrip most certainly does work on keleseth
04:57.01quiescenshax
04:57.26quiescenswhat's keleseth
04:57.41arkanessteev: it actually moves him?
04:58.12arkanesbecause that is interesting to know
04:58.32arkanesoh I never got a chance to confirm with our DK, did you try chainsing him? Espcially during the enrage?
04:58.41steevarkanes: doesn't jump, no
04:58.49arkanesoh :(
04:58.50steevbut he comes running after you
04:58.56arkaneswell sure they're all tauntable
04:59.06Ingelahow about the bite
04:59.10Ingelawill it be ui messup x10000?
04:59.11arkanesIngela: thats queen
04:59.15steevargle
04:59.17arkanesit's just a bar swap
04:59.21steev19711/21000
04:59.24Ingelaoh you didn't getg to him at all arkanes ?
04:59.28arkanesno :(
04:59.31Ingela:(
04:59.38arkaneswe'll get it this week
04:59.42arkanesjust not tonight
04:59.53Ingelaah
04:59.58arkanesanyway, the bite thing is just a forced bar
05:00.10arkanesif the hammer throw in TOC works for you, then the bite will be fine
05:00.23Ingelai'm healer so nobody dispels me
05:00.35quiescensdispels ingela
05:00.36arkanesdoes your bar swap?
05:00.42Ingelayeah it does with veichles etc
05:00.48Ingelathanks quiescens <3
05:00.58arkanesthen no worries about the bite
05:01.01arkanesI fear the queen
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05:01.11arkanesfight looks simple mechanically, just lots and lots of dps
05:02.09steevvhaarr: where to send it?
05:02.22steevonly 1 attempt in there, i'll get more on thursday
05:02.36Ingelathough they released these bosses too fast
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05:02.44Ingelashould have been a month
05:02.47arkanesnah
05:03.03arkanesI would be in a bad mood if I had to keep doing plagueworks for a month
05:03.23Ingelai wouldn't, i'd enjoyed it :)
05:04.01Ingelaonly good thing is that soon we're drowning in those frost emblems
05:04.06Ingelaand i can start earn phat gold of saronites
05:04.17steevhttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/zs99d72t6bupt69o/
05:04.41arkanesI still have a ton of gear to get
05:05.13Ingelathank god for not going t10!
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05:05.22arkanesI just got my chest
05:05.24Groktarhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGk74dSAm8U
05:05.26Groktar:D :D :D
05:05.30arkanesand I got the offset gloves & belt first
05:05.44arkanesso next up is t10 legs, then offset cloak
05:05.50arkanesbut that's another months worth of badges
05:06.13Ingelakek Groktar :P
05:06.26Ingela"so you can solo tank that? i mean comeon.."
05:06.48Groktaryeah i hit the fraps button when i realized it might actually die
05:07.31Stanzillaprinces not princess :P
05:07.46arkanesthere is no princess
05:07.49arkanesshe's a queen :P
05:08.01Ingelai like my guild, we have a 10page discussion about tactics for both bosses, and it's actually tactic talks and not just "lol let's wtfpwn her" :P
05:08.24arkanesnothing beats seeing the fight in action
05:08.27Groktar10 pages on blood princess oO
05:08.33arkanesbut yeah being prepared helps too
05:08.36Ingelapeople write fuckin essays about tactics
05:08.39arkanesthere is no blood princess :(
05:08.49Groktarbest thing you can do
05:08.54Groktaris pull it once and see
05:10.46Ingelaplaying a healer forever i kinda agree
05:10.57Ingelai will just heal everything anyways
05:10.59Ingelano mater of the fight
05:11.08arkanesIngela: whats your healer makeup?
05:11.35Ingelai usually only use black eyeshadow nad paint my nails black
05:11.47Ingelabut not more then that arkanes !
05:11.55arkanessigh
05:11.59Ingelasorry
05:12.05arkanesheh
05:12.06Ingelawhat you mean in 25man? :P
05:12.11arkaneswhatever
05:12.23arkanesI figured you cared about 10 man since you were asking about it
05:12.29Ingelai care about both
05:12.47Ingelabut i asked about 10man since that's what we're going for first, i will obviously see the fight before in 25man then :D
05:13.45Ingelain my 10man we always go discpriest (me), holy pala and if needed 3 healers a druid
05:13.56Ingelain 25man it's pretty standard, 1 druid, 1 priest, 2 shamans 2 palas
05:14.08arkanesthat should be pretty good
05:14.12arkaneswe use a holy paly and a druid
05:14.44arkanesyou'll probably want the holy pally on the ranged tank
05:14.51arkanes+ 1 other, of course
05:15.00arkaneswith you handling the other tank and the raid
05:15.17Ingelai'll do what i alwyas do, absorb everything
05:15.28arkanesmost of the raid damage has predicatable targets
05:15.30Ingelaand the holy pala going beacon on tank + ranged tank probably?
05:15.33arkanesyeah
05:15.39Ingelaawesome
05:16.11arkaneslike you can see whos targeted by the flame orb for a preemptive shield, and you know who's going to take vortex damage
05:16.26Ingelai hate holy palas, they are just 1. beacon 2. spam holy light 3. ?? 4. profit
05:16.53arkanesthe princes melee for about 13-18k, so not terrible but enough that you can't just ignore it
05:17.04Ingelaa holy pala should be perfect then
05:18.52Ingela"disc is fail as it scales so badly with gear. might as well take another paladin instead of a disc priest to tank heal, or another holy/druid as an aoe healer."
05:19.03Ingelaofficial boards are so awesome
05:19.15arkanesdiscs scaling is a problem
05:19.32arkanesfrom naxx to icc, tank damage & health scaled up much faster than shields did
05:19.51Ingelabut we're not tank healers no more
05:19.53arkanesbut yeah it's nonsense, it depends entirely on the fight and the mechanics
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05:20.19Ingelabeause of the removal of the shield cd, we're preventerer of all damage of anyone
05:20.29arkanesback when NRB was progression, we simply couldn't beat it the first couple weeks without our disc priest along
05:20.56arkanesthe burst damage was just slightly too high, but that buffer from the shield kept the tanks up through the impale
05:21.09Ingelabesides disc is easy one of the strongest healing classes because it prevents damage that nobody else can/does
05:21.11arkanesand that stupid headbutt :(
05:21.22arkanesyou pay for it in throughput
05:21.37arkanesand so on fights where throughput matters, like fester, you're hurting
05:21.47arkanesof course you're awesome on the raid damage on fester so it works out
05:21.55arkanesand pain suppression is worth another tank healer
05:22.25arkanesdisc is pratically essential if you want the achieve, too, at least until you do a few more rounds of gearing
05:22.46Ingelai wouldn't say gear scaling is that much of a problem
05:23.01Ingelawe don't have any spirit to spell damage or anything, but i have more sp then most people have anyways
05:23.16arkaneswell how much extra absorb have you gotten on your shield since you started naxx?
05:23.20arkanesmaybe 2k?
05:23.27Ingelano idea
05:23.46arkanesand in the meantime, tank health pools have nearly doubled, and tank damage has increased at least that much
05:23.53Ingelabut in naxx you had 4 sec cd on shields
05:24.08arkaneswhen did they had the 0 cd talent then?
05:24.16Ingelalolduar patch
05:24.24arkanesah well still
05:24.39Ingelabut yeah from ulduar --> icc it's not much upgrade on shields
05:24.43Ingelabut there is still some
05:24.46arkanesas a tank healer the shield CD doesn't really matter much
05:24.50arkanescause of weakened soul
05:24.53Ingelayeap
05:24.58Ingelabut we are no longer tank healers
05:25.01arkanesright
05:25.03arkanesbut you were
05:25.05Ingelawe're preventerer
05:25.13Ingelayeah but that's what people fail to realize
05:25.30arkanesand you aren't now, because the amount your shield eats relative to incoming damage and the tanks health pool is much smaller
05:25.40arkanesI don't think that many people fail to realize it
05:25.47arkanesI think they see it, and they think druids are better
05:25.54arkanesand there's some merit to that in the mechanics
05:25.58Ingelathey need to run absorb meters
05:26.23arkanesweakened soul really weakens the ability to run multiple disc priests
05:26.44Ingelai still haven't been anything other then #1 in icc25 yet
05:26.47arkanesbut prevention is just such a strong mechanic that disc is still great in many many fights
05:26.56Ingelayea well ofc 2 disc priests is worthless
05:27.03arkanesI wouldn't place too much reliance on meters anyway
05:27.18arkanesboth because of the absorb mechanics, and the unreliability of the absorb guessing
05:27.34Ingelayeah i was like that in the beginning to
05:27.42arkanesone of the big problems with healing meters is that they don't show you the healing which is important
05:27.59arkanesand really there's no way to know that without a careful analysis of every heal
05:28.05Ingelathey do say something about output in heavy healing fights
05:28.07Ingelalike festerguts
05:28.13arkanessure
05:28.39arkanesbut whats strong about it in festergut is not the amount of the healing it counts as, but the fact that you can preemptively have it before he exhales
05:28.42Ingelai would never say that a druid > disc priest in raid healing tbh
05:28.51Ingelabecuase simply, you can't do that
05:28.52arkanesagain depends heavily on the fight
05:29.03Ingeladisc does something nobody does, and that will always be better then everything else
05:29.08arkaneswell, no
05:29.18Ingelawell, yes, nothing beats preventing the damage
05:29.24arkanesit's not always better than everything else, thats just as wrong as the other way around
05:29.37Ingelai dissagree
05:29.45arkanesyour shields not going to keep a raid up on fester by itself
05:30.01arkanesand you don't have the AOE healing tools besides shielding to keep it them up either
05:30.05arkanesa druid does
05:30.11arkanesbut the shield + the druid is what makes it easy
05:30.24arkanesit's about synergy and mechanics
05:30.33Ingelain 10man yes, in 25man all i can be in range to doesn't lose much hp other then then that phat raid damage
05:31.17arkanesits pretty well balance
05:31.25arkanesobviously preventing damage is better than healing it
05:31.28Ingelabut ok, a disc priest is gonna have over 9000 better synergy with any healer then dual healers
05:31.31arkaneshow *much* better really depends
05:31.39arkanesno?
05:31.43arkanesyou're not special :P
05:31.50Ingelayes we are :)
05:32.10arkanessay you're doing icc trash and you shield everyone while the druid rolls hots on everyon
05:32.33arkanesa skeleton guy does and he does 3k on all the melee and you just got like 40k effective absorb on the meters
05:32.40arkanesbut that doesn't really matter
05:32.48arkanesthe rejuve tick would have healed everyone just fine anyway
05:33.13arkanesso it's not really fair to say that you're doing more than he is
05:33.55arkaneswhen the damage is spread out like that and you can easily just absorb it all, or he can just let it all heal up, the distinction between absorbs and hots doesn't really matter and you're just padding the meter from mechanics
05:34.17arkanesit's like in BC how druids would brag about how little overheal they had, because hot overheal ticks didn't register in the combat log
05:34.30arkanesof course you have hardly any overheal when your spells are mechanically incapable of overhealing
05:34.47Ingelathat's exactly what i'm talking about, the druid would be fine healing it sure, but a disc priest will always be first with the absorbs, meaning that absorbs is better
05:34.53arkanesno
05:34.55Ingelait's a lot better to prevent the damage then healing it up
05:35.02arkanessometimes
05:35.07arkanessometimes it just doesn't matter
05:35.22arkanesand sometimes the throughput loss you take from being able to absorb instead of heal cripples you
05:35.26arkanessee? balance
05:35.44Ingelawhat you mean by that last sentence
05:36.13arkanesbalance?
05:36.21Ingelano the other one before that
05:36.42arkanesonce your shield has popped and penance is on CD your throughput is terrible
05:37.11sb|workwhy? get haste, 1s FH is fine :p
05:37.15arkanesmeaning you're very weak when there's concentrated levels of high damage
05:37.16sb|workor use borrowed GH
05:37.20Ingelawas about to say that sb|work :)
05:37.34sb|workwith ICC gear you will have like 800 haste
05:37.38arkanessure its "fine"
05:37.48Ingelayeah well fine is better then nothing, right?
05:37.53arkanesbut it's not coming anywhere close to what nourish or holy light or flash of light is hitting for
05:37.56arkaneswhich is my point
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05:38.12Ingelai mean there's two types of healing here. 1. preventing 2. healing after damage
05:38.18sb|workits fine enough for ~6 seconds, when PoM or pennance will be ready again
05:38.20Ingelawe can do 1 very well, and 2 not so good, but we're fine
05:38.27sb|workpenance even
05:38.27Ingelaa druid can't evne do 1
05:38.29arkaneswell technically only 1 of those thigns is healing :P
05:38.54arkanesand actually a druid who has time to prep can approach a pally in raw throughput
05:38.58arkanesnourish is an incredible spell
05:38.58sb|work*shrug* PoM is instant, reactive ~10k crit heal, so its fine
05:39.16arkanesthey can't maintain that so long because they need to burn GCDs on the hots
05:39.36Ingelawhat class are you playing arkanes ?
05:39.44arkanesmy mains a paladin
05:39.52arkanesI have an 80 druid I also heal on, and I'm leveling my priest
05:39.56Ingelayea
05:40.00arkanesI mostly tank, I don't heal too much
05:40.14Ingela:)
05:40.17arkanesbut being a tank gives you some sensitivity to incoming healing patterns too :P
05:40.29sb|workbut honestly, i don't care - i know that a guild raiding without disc priest is just crippling itself... :p and since i'm raid/guild leader that wont ever happen to us ;)
05:40.37arkanesdisc is fine
05:40.38Ingelasb|work :D
05:40.47arkanesit's more than fine on lots of fights
05:40.49Ingelanobody said anything that disc wasn't fine
05:40.58Ingelai just think higher about discs then arkanes does
05:41.02sb|workyep
05:41.02arkanesanythign where theres a significant danger of people being gibbed by AOE, disc is going to shine
05:41.03sb|worki know :p
05:41.05arkanestwins
05:41.22arkanesand of course there's the special "absorbs don't trigger fight mechanics" cases
05:41.29arkaneslike saurfang
05:41.30sb|worktwins, jaraxxus, festergut, rotface, putricide, anub (!!!!!), etc.
05:41.34sb|workits like every fight :p
05:41.50Ingelai'm only dissapointed in 2 fights with disc
05:41.53arkanesI heard that they changed absorbs triggering heals on anub
05:42.02sb|workthats not the point
05:42.11arkanesno, I'm just asking if its true
05:42.14arkanesits still great for PC
05:42.23Ingelathe 2 dogs there before you do festergut/rotface
05:42.24sb|workits just a "throw 2 shields to prevent 2 PC deaths" thing :p
05:42.29Ingeladessimate isn't absorb able :(
05:42.33arkanesright
05:42.46arkanesdiscs not that big a deal on princess
05:42.51arkaneshelps a lot on stinky though
05:43.04sb|workprincess who?
05:43.09arkanesprincess the dog
05:43.15arkanesprecious
05:43.17Ingelathe top dawg
05:43.21arkanesI always get that mixed up
05:43.23sb|workah precious
05:43.41sb|workwell, also helps for stupid tanks with 10 stacks :p
05:43.50arkanesI wouldn't want to 2 heal fester 10 with a disc priest
05:43.59arkanesbut if we're using 3 heals, I want one of them to be
05:44.00Ingelaall i'm saying arkanes, i think that a disc priest always will have better synergy with any healing class
05:44.14Ingelathen 2 pure healing ones
05:44.18arkanesand I think that sort of broad statement is just as wrong as the thing you posted before
05:44.38Ingelalet's just end it there ^^
05:44.46sb|workand btw druid+pally is overpowered, nerf! :p
05:44.55arkanesdruid + pally is an excellent combo
05:44.57sb|work(2 healing in 10)
05:45.02arkanesand I'd feel bad if we did it on purpose instead of lucking into it :P
05:45.35Ingelaas i've been priest for 4 years and healled all instances in vanilla, tbc and now wotlk i think nothing beats a priest in anything (yeah i'm that awesome)
05:45.43sb|workwe run 10 with shammy, holy, disc/shadow - so 2-3 healers, 2 for first 4 bosses, then 3
05:45.46sb|workIngela: same here ;)
05:46.00arkaneswe 2 heal pretty much everything
05:46.01Ingelao/ for not swapping main every other week
05:46.25arkanesmainly because our roster is such that we usually just don't have anyone to sub in
05:46.34arkanestwins is rough with 2 healers
05:46.53sb|workits easy with disc + shammy :p
05:47.19Ingelai did togc10 the other week with an excellent holy pala
05:47.27Ingelawe had a 3rd shaman aswell
05:47.28arkaneswhen possible we grab a disc as a third
05:47.31Ingelahe didn't get to heal anything
05:47.33arkanesand it just makes it simple
05:47.43Ingelame and that holy paladin just raped everything :P
05:48.35sb|workIngela: hm - works fine for us, maybe your shaman got a bad day :p
05:48.51Ingelanah it was just me and the palading being too awesome
05:50.28Ingelawill you play your priest in ctc too sb|work
05:50.44sb|workof course
05:50.47sb|workthre is no other classes! :p
05:50.49Ingelaawesome
05:50.54Ingelai will too
05:51.26Ingelai started to get too much attached to my priest
05:51.38Ingelathink i can never swap her out for anything :(
05:51.43Ingelai rather quit the game
05:52.07sb|workwell - why should i abandon the best healing class!? and i don't want to play dps :P
05:52.16Ingela:d
05:52.17Ingela:D*
05:52.38Ingelathey really need to fix absorbs though
05:52.45sb|workcrit absorbs! :p
05:52.51Ingelai can't believe they evne have an legendary that does absorbs
05:52.57Ingelabut no proper absorbs in combat log
05:54.40arkanesit's an infrastructure/mechanics thing
05:54.58sb|workIngela: meh, giev dual-solace! :/
05:55.10Ingelasorry, they are always and forever mine!
05:55.59sb|workwe don't run toc normal anymore - and i won't join toc pugs :p
05:56.09Ingela:(
05:56.09sb|workso i will stick to pandora
05:56.20Ingelayou should just be glad you don't have them
05:56.36Ingelai have grudges about replacing them
05:56.43sb|workyou can't replace them :p
05:57.06Ingelathat's what i'm thinking about to, but would gain a lot more sp for abacus for example
05:57.17Ingelamaybe it'd be worth it to get heroic abacus
05:57.27sb|worksee, so pandora is fine :p
05:57.35sb|workabacus is 45s cooldown, right? :/
05:57.45Ingelai think so yea
05:57.50Ingelapandora's plea is awesome
05:57.54arkanes"Druids are sprinklers. A paladin is a (pair of) Fire Hose(s). Holy Priests and Shaman are buckets (think: Air-Drop-Sized buckets). Or, I suppose if you prefer, toilets. Water balloons? Some sort of more discrete "chunk of water" effect. Disc Priests are Smokey the Bear telling attacks not to hurt players, because only they can prevent raid wipes. Look, it's not a perfect analogy. "
05:57.56Ingelanot :(
05:58.09arkanesIngela: I demand you rename yourself to smokey the bear
05:58.22smokeythebearyo dawgs
05:58.26arkanes\o/
05:59.10smokeythebearyo dawgs i heard you like healing so put heals on yo heal so you can heal while you heal
05:59.12smokeythebear(trauma weapon)
05:59.50sb|worktrauma proc sucks - they have to change it somehow
06:00.05Ingelasome say it's omfg wtf bbq imba
06:00.08Ingelasome say it sucks
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06:00.18Ingelai say what the hell am i gonna get for weapon in icc, i can't decide :P
06:00.37sb|workits like 1% for a shaman
06:00.42sb|workmaybe more for druids
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06:02.05Ingelai think it's fairly ok for druids
06:02.36sb|workthats why they have to change it ;)
06:02.36Ingelabecuase they have pretty many hots rolling all the time, means a lot of potencial proccs
06:02.46sb|workhigher procs + icd or something like that
06:02.54Ingelayea maybe
06:03.10Mikkwhat are we talking about?
06:03.13sb|worktrauma
06:03.46sb|workIngela: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/aos3yd2ar5jp8w8e/sum/healingDone/?s=4351&e=4931 -> tearz, 0.8% :/ (and yea, that was our glorious 2% wipe :/)
06:04.52Ingelahttp://worldoflogs.com/reports/bo0tbtvh7lpnkhej/details/9/
06:04.56Ingelaher's our druid with it
06:04.58MikkNEEDZ TRAUMA
06:04.59Ingelaon the kill
06:05.01Ingela3%
06:05.10Ingelano that was full report
06:05.17Ingelahttp://worldoflogs.com/reports/bo0tbtvh7lpnkhej/details/9/?s=2395&e=2922
06:05.18Ingelatthere
06:05.24sb|workyea, thats 55k vs. 17k :/
06:06.12Ingelai'm not sure what 55k healing translates into lost stats of haste/crit
06:06.19Ingelabut yeah 55k free healing isn't bad :)
06:06.27Mikk3% extra is hardly game breaking though
06:06.33Ingelanope
06:06.37Ingelatru dat
06:06.58arkanesit would take a very great deal of hit and crit to increase your total output by 3%
06:07.11Mikkyeah about 3%
06:07.15Mikkgrins
06:07.22arkanescrit has sublinear scaling and is disproportionatly overheal
06:07.31Mikkhaste
06:07.33Ingelaarkanes, you don't need hit as a healer you stupid!
06:07.39arkanesso certainly more than 3% crit
06:07.40Mikkscales pretty much linearly as a resto druid
06:07.41arkanes:(
06:07.42arkaneshaste
06:07.47arkaneshaste would really depend
06:07.55sb|workIngela: i have 90 hit! its good! ;)
06:08.03Ingelai have some hit too
06:08.08Mikkblinks
06:08.15Ingelawas actually kinda awesome on anub in hardmode
06:08.21Ingelahad like 100 hit or something
06:08.30Ingelawas dpsing p1&p2
06:08.42arkanesI was DPS on xt for our daily
06:08.45arkanes*weekly
06:08.52arkaneswatching my wraths shoot right by him
06:08.56Ingelai love the trade chat
06:08.56arkaneslike fireworks!
06:09.01sb|workwell i wont replace my +hit bracers with crit+spi for full cost *shrug* so i will keep them ;)
06:09.02Ingela"lfg daily weekly raid!"
06:09.23arkanesmy excuse is that its after midnight and I'm worn out
06:09.32Ingelaplease, it's 07.09 here
06:09.32Ingelaam
06:09.33Ingela:P
06:09.36Ingelaand i haven't slept yet
06:09.58sb|workmeh, i have to go to work
06:10.16Ingelai got them spirit bracers now
06:10.30Ingelaiz vevy nicé
06:10.53Ingelacrit/haste items is so win
06:10.55Ingelawtb that =(
06:11.20sb|worki didnt realize that deathwhisper bracers are that good, i got them for off-gear-points :p
06:11.38Ingela:)
06:12.59sb|workokay, got to go now, bye ;o
06:13.02Ingelabye
06:13.09Ingelai think i will go to bed now aswell
06:13.12Ingelagn
06:13.18arkanesme too
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06:31.34Groktaryoutube must be doing some weird resizing thing with my videos
06:32.04Groktarbecause instead of looking blurry it's more jaggy
06:32.19asmodainibbles on Groktar's soul
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06:34.57asmodaiGroktar: normal flash or the beta?
06:34.59Groktarasmodai: were you around when i linked our pro blood princess kill vid?
06:35.04Groktarhrm?
06:35.20asmodaiMaybe, but I rebooted this box after a complete kernel + world update
06:35.26asmodaiSo I lost any backlog
06:35.31Groktarhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGk74dSAm8U
06:35.33asmodaita
06:36.08asmodaiWhy is it only 29 secs? :P
06:36.46Groktarbecause i didn't think we were going to kill it that attempt
06:37.06Groktarbecause we hadn't seen what the sprinker dude did yet
06:37.19Groktarer
06:37.24Groktarwhatever guy does the sparkles
06:37.44asmodaiHahaha, 4 minutes
06:37.53Groktarit's only 22 million hp
06:38.00asmodaiSo after the others ones the princes are a bit of a pushover?
06:38.02Groktarand you get a long time on each boss before you switch
06:38.06asmodais/others/other/
06:38.21Groktarwell, they're harder than festergut
06:38.57Groktarbut we had the ranged tank figured out pretty quickly
06:39.07Groktarand that's most of the fight
06:39.23asmodaiMy guild's now up to Festergut down on 10-man, not yet on 25.
06:39.38asmodaiWith my gear I can't join the ones after that XD
06:39.43Groktarwell, if you can't make the dps check on festergut
06:39.58asmodaiYeah, that's the thing. Gear holding us back basically.
06:39.58Groktarblood princess is probably a good place for you
06:40.31Groktarwe honestly didn't know that festergut was supposed to be somewhat of a dps check
06:40.40steevalso, week number umpteen without on a boat
06:40.41Groktaruntil we saw the screaming on the forums
06:40.50Groktarand failed on it with our alt run
06:40.54steevseriously seriously don't know wtf we're doing wrong
06:41.05asmodaimmm
06:41.12Groktarwe should have gotten on a boat last week
06:41.20Groktari don't know who fucked up
06:41.22steevwe send 1 group over, they stay for mages 1 and 2
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06:41.30steevwe send second group over for 3 and 4
06:41.44steevthen the horde boat dies... and we don't get the achievement
06:41.53Groktaryeah
06:42.07asmodaiGroktar: So in essence if we're stuck at Festergut for now at least the Blood Princes can be tried relatively easily?
06:42.12Groktarit reminds me of the lame naxx achievements that made me ragequit like 3 times
06:42.18Groktarya
06:42.27Groktarblood princess: run away from shit
06:42.38asmodaiah
06:42.55asmodaiSeems the gunship got bugged on the last Sunday run
06:43.18asmodaithey didn't get the loot of badges, had to appeal XD
06:43.24Groktarthe first guy has a shatter mechanic, so when he starts casting you all need to spread out
06:43.44Groktarranged mob will hit OMGWTFBBQ hard when she's empowed
06:44.13Groktarso the ranged tank needs to have at least two floaty balls attacking him (they give a -35% shadow taken debuff to their target)
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06:44.30Groktarand the other guy spawns GIANT ORANGE BALLS that chase you
06:44.40Groktarso when it says your name you need to run away from other people
06:44.50Groktarand then a ranged needs to shoot bombs
06:45.10Groktareach time you dmg a bomb it floats higher, and if it hits the ground it explodes for massive damage
06:45.21Groktarreally easy
06:46.11Groktarhardest part is getting the floating balls to attack the ranged tank so he doesn't one shot when the caster is empowered
06:46.38Groktari can't wait for the hard mode
06:46.44Groktarit was a lot of fun
06:47.47asmodaiSo, you are saying 2 tanks or 3?
06:49.21asmodaiAh 3 most likely to tank all 3 princes
06:49.36Groktarwe used two tanks and a ranged on the third mob
06:49.56Groktarbut 1 tank could prolly tank both mobs
06:50.05asmodaiPrince Taldaram gurgles and dies. <- I lol'd
06:50.53steevf that fight
06:51.13steevkeleseth hit me for 50k when empowered... with my AMS up
06:52.16Groktarthat's because you didn't have balls attacking you
06:52.17Groktarsilly
06:52.28Groktar(although i don't know what ams is)
06:52.29asmodaiMy balls will attack you!
06:53.21GroktarOH
06:53.27steevGroktar: antimagic shell, absorbs 75% of damage (up to 50% of health)
06:53.29Groktarit's princes
06:53.43Groktari kept putting in princess
06:53.48steevyes you did
06:53.53steevwhich is why i kept giggling
06:54.03Groktarfixes
06:54.06steevaren't they all elves of some sort anyway?
06:54.17steevmight as well leave it as princess
06:56.30Groktarehe
06:56.43Groktaranyway, how many balls were attacking you steev?
06:56.54Groktardid you only have 1 or something?
06:57.06steevGroktar: oh this was at a wipe call
06:57.10steevi had 0 :D
06:57.11Groktaroic
06:57.21Groktari figured you were tanking it on purpose or something
06:57.26steevi just deathgripped him to see if he ignored it completely
06:57.26steevnah
06:57.40steev~50k health in my tank setup in 25, but i'm still a better dps
06:57.56asmodaiGroktar: if you kill one they all die?
06:58.23steevasmodai: health is linked
06:58.26Groktarwell, the way it works is that only one of them has health at a time
06:58.30steevlike twins
06:58.42asmodaiah ok, hence the red lines between them
06:58.49Groktarya
06:59.05Groktarwhichever one is getting the red lines from the other two is empowered
06:59.09Groktarand you have to attack him
06:59.16Groktarand he gets a special ability
06:59.24asmodaiHahaha, yet he's the one with the fuckton of damage without the buffs ;)
06:59.27asmodaior debuff
06:59.57steevasmodai: they all hit like trucks
07:00.13asmodaiSo it's a healing check ? ;)
07:00.17steevmuch harder than their 5m counterparts
07:00.22steevhealer+retard
07:00.58steevwas kinda awesome our first attempt
07:01.07steevno one mentioned anything about the shatter
07:01.17steevso all the melee just stayed on the boss.... and bewm
07:01.23Groktarwe knew there was a shatter type ability
07:01.31Groktaroh, i think he's casting it, run!
07:01.39Groktarand it went off about a half second after
07:01.48steevi don't think we were spread out enough at all
07:01.57steevbut its so damn hard to see the shit on youtube
07:02.17pompyhm wonder what would cause this, http://pastebin.com/d3a65037a
07:02.20steevi really should just donate to tankspot, to be able to download the vids to actually see wtf is going on
07:02.35asmodaiThe Shock Vortex?
07:02.35Groktarwcm videos really aren't bad quality anymore
07:04.55asmodaiI doubt you can interrupt their spell casting?
07:05.01Groktarnope
07:05.20Groktarall of their damage is easily avoidable
07:05.42Groktarwell, the stuff that hits hard is
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07:07.09Groktarhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs67hiz5tZ4
07:07.12Groktarthere, blood princces
07:07.15Groktar*princes
07:09.00steevsee
07:09.08steevthey were tanking em basically right at the bottom of the steps
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07:21.25steevvhaarr: well i've mailed the sv to myself, so pm me whenever you're around and i'll forward it - hopefully this time i didn't screw up like i did previous (although again, we did crappy attempts so...)
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08:40.05orionshockdedum ?
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08:43.59mitch0orionshock: I implemented your .value/.text ticket in bazooka. could you check it?
08:44.36orionshockmitch0, sure
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08:44.49orionshockmitch0, alpha versions right?
08:44.55mitch0yeah, latest
08:45.12mitch0if you're satisfied, I'll close the ticket and release 1.8.2
08:45.51orionshockimo it just makes more sense to have label/value & text mutually exclusive
08:46.04mitch0erm, no
08:46.15orionshockwhy?
08:46.34mitch0label is totally independent of the .value /.suffix /.text stuff
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08:46.41mitch0it's just a name for the plugin
08:46.47mitch0some folks like to show that, some don't
08:47.00Pneumatusthis^^
08:47.30mitch0and in any case, you can have your desired effect with the current options, whereas making it exclusive would limit other ppl's options
08:47.33Pneumatussuffix and value are generally a pair, but label and text can be totally different
08:48.09asmodaiisn't that like what Silver Dragon can do
08:48.22asmodaiLast Rare:  <- label
08:48.31asmodaiand after that 'General BlahBlah' <- text
08:48.44asmodaior am I misunderstanding something here?
08:49.13mitch0using label for that is kinda ugly hack. it was not intended for that, but meh
08:49.16orionshockmitch0, the value dosn't respect the Left/Right/Center setting on the bar. Only when combined with another feild does it act right
08:49.54asmodaimitch0: But isn't this label similar to labels in normal software development?
08:50.00orionshock<PROTECTED>
08:50.36mitch0orion: I don't get it
08:50.42orionshockasmodai, iirc the origional discussion made label out to be the same as a "Prefix" idea to .value
08:50.48orionshockmitch0, one sec will screenshot
08:50.49Adirelle|workhrm, could someone remind me which is the name of the wowace file rss feed ?
08:51.37orionshock<PROTECTED>
08:52.07orionshockAdirelle|work, http://www.wowace.com/addons.rss
08:52.19mitch0orion: hm. strange
08:52.37orionshockmitch0, when i add another field to it then it acts normal
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08:52.54Adirelle|workorionshock, didn't know that one, IIRC there's also a per-addon feed
08:52.54orionshocklike if i show label and value then it works.
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08:53.01Arrowmasterits a holdover from fubar crap where it had an option to show the plugin name on the bar for stupid people that cant remember whats what
08:53.08orionshockAdirelle|work,  http://www.wowace.com/addons/<ProjectName>/files.rss
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08:53.39Adirelle|workthanks, what did I screw then... I'm sure I tested this one right now
08:53.53orionshockArrowmaster, that's kind of what it turned into, but the discussion iirc made it out to a prefix to the value
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08:54.18Arrowmasterit could have been left out completely and nobody would miss it
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08:54.33orionshockAdirelle|work, http://www.wowace.com/addons/elitistgroup/files.rss  << IE
08:54.54Repo10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r130 Bazooka.lua: fix updateLayout if only .value is shown
08:55.00mitch0orion: ^
08:55.33Adirelle|workorionshock, yes, it is ok, I think I tested any combinaison of "files", "files/", "xml" and "rss" except "files.rss" :/
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08:59.30orionshockmitch0, works. text overrides value, but that's ok :)
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09:00.09orionshockprolly now Azethoth will be happy
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09:02.18asmodai@project sexycooldown
09:02.21Repoasmodai: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexycooldown/. SexyCooldown. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 9 days ago. Tickets: 19/24
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09:03.02Adirelle|workI'm wondering: there is still no "favorites + favorites rss feed" on curse or wowace ?
09:03.39Arrowmasterbecause there is no developer for wowace
09:03.57Arrowmasterand wowace doesnt even have a favorites system
09:04.19Adirelle|workyes, but curse has, iirc
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09:05.05Arrowmastercurse cant even get a fucking pattern matching based spam filter and you expect things like an rss of a users favorites?
09:06.11KriLL3Adirelle|work: you could make one yourself by scraping the site(s), though weirdly some sites don't like being frequently scraped by bots...
09:06.32Adirelle|workthat's not for scraping
09:06.44Arrowmasterjust put all the addon rss's into google reader
09:06.49Adirelle|workright
09:06.56KriLL3or pipes to make one big rss
09:07.05Adirelle|workactually, curse has a favorite thing with rss export
09:07.07Adirelle|workgonna test it
09:07.44Adirelle|workanyway, just found that google reader + igoogle is quite handy
09:07.50KriLL3though pipes aren't far from scraping... they cause refresh blocking etc
09:08.37KriLL3yeah igoogle is nice, though I wish I remember the name of the site I came across very early into this rss stuff, let you make custom windows/pages with feeds, site snippets etc
09:08.59KriLL3igoogle only lets you show 9 items per feed or fullscreen it
09:09.05KriLL3nothing in between
09:12.31KriLL3does the armory plan on opening up the API beyond RSS? would be cool to have a widget/similar to put on other sites with your character's 3D model (preferably flattened to image/animation 3D makes browsers cry)
09:13.30KriLL3obvious use for it: wow forums avatars
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09:14.08ArrowmasterKriLL3: have you seen mine?
09:14.18KriLL3... ick
09:14.20KriLL3=P
09:14.26KriLL3Arrowmaster: your what?
09:14.26Arrowmasterhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Tokrim
09:14.38Arrowmasterand i cant change it because my accounts canceled
09:14.54KriLL3lol
09:15.06Arrowmasternew armory is awesome
09:15.08KriLL3why do you have level 60 gear on you?
09:15.20Arrowmasterbecause i never deleted my tier gear
09:15.29KriLL3ah, I did, took too much space
09:15.43Arrowmastercould have put on the t2 but the t1 looks better
09:15.48KriLL3but why do you wear it? =P
09:15.52Arrowmasterand i did this before the new armory came out
09:16.07Arrowmasteri dont, i just logged in and messed around the day i canceled my account
09:16.23KriLL3ah
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09:17.19KriLL3my original character: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Neptulon&cn=Voliand
09:17.45KriLL3stopped playing shortly after hitting 80 back when LK was new, hence the iLVL 200 gear
09:18.08KriLL3my new horde character: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&cn=Voliant
09:18.24Arrowmastersame, my real gear is all 200/213
09:18.33Arrowmasterwell not all
09:18.36Arrowmasterbut most
09:18.43KriLL3my new guy has 232/245
09:19.02KriLL3basically triumph gear + crafted + frost emblem cloak
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09:19.15orionshockturns out there wasn't alot of discussion on .label
09:19.48Arrowmasterorionshock: i doubt many data objects even provide it
09:21.10orionshockArrowmaster, true.  For me in SOCD, i have "Dailies Reset In:" as the label, time till reset as .value & both put together as .text  & it apparently was bothering some.
09:22.44KriLL3do some LDB displays handle that weirdly?
09:23.00KriLL3doesn't seem to matter in chocolate
09:23.07orionshockya, text > label & hang the value
09:23.26orionshockKriLL3, i used to use CB so that's why text has it all
09:24.03orionshockhowever it was pointed out that i need to remove the "Dailies Reset In:" portion of the text because it was ugly
09:24.45KriLL3yeah, or at least make it optional, some people got few enough things on their bars that it would fit, but some got too many to have long redundant text
09:25.03orionshockcall me crazy, but  (label..value..suffix) should be mutually exclusive with text. If you have more than one trio to display use .text or more than 1 ldb feed
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09:30.00mitch0orion: fot the last time, .label is just a label, it shouldn't be bolted into text. ever.
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09:33.59orionshockok...
09:34.24Torhal<PROTECTED>
09:34.25Torhal:D
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10:47.16KriLL3auctionator?
10:48.54KriLL3heh, human woman and gnome male both named Wobblesprocket, kinky
11:00.15asmodaiDoes your sprocket wobble?
11:02.52KriLL3confirmed, they're married... wonder what their children would look like
11:03.05KriLL3smaller humans? larger gnomes?
11:03.34olafskihumans with big heads
11:03.41olafskior maybe more like patchwerk
11:03.46asmodaiKriLL3: NPCs?
11:03.55KriLL3yes NPCs
11:04.09KriLL3they're both at rivers heart in shola
11:04.24KriLL3http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=28568 http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=28574
11:05.39KriLL3and in a conversation with helmet he refers to them as Marvin and his wife Tamara
11:05.55asmodaiDark Helmet
11:06.34KriLL3*Hemet
11:06.41KriLL3http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12651
11:06.53KriLL3"When the trouble with the Venture Company started, I asked Marvin Wobblesprocket and his wife, Tamara, to take their flying machines east to River's Heart."
11:07.38SunTsuwell, love (and a ladder) overcome any obstacles ;)
11:07.39KriLL3is wow going D&D with halfbreeds?
11:07.47KriLL3SunTsu: also world enlarger
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11:24.00KriLL3if I see one more elf hunter named Legolás I'll snap
11:25.56yoshimoif i see one more character with "lol" in its name, ill kill him...
11:26.33KriLL3"overpoweredlól"
11:26.39KriLL3I proved he wasn't
11:27.12olafskialways funny to see stuff like "[3] Restoshaman: lf healer for random hc farming wisp fast"
11:27.30yoshimoone of those guys that do 2k dps although he is wearing  ilvl 232?
11:27.46KriLL3yoshimo: no idea, met him in WG
11:28.01KriLL3ench shaman
11:28.04KriLL3<-- feral drood
11:28.19KriLL3was a very short fight
11:28.55asmodaiench? rofl enhancement :P
11:29.12asmodaiEnchantment shaman and overpowdered rouges... XD
11:29.58olafski:D
11:30.04olafskigotta beware the rouges!
11:30.06yoshimoi prefer rouge in my face instead of a rogue ;)
11:33.19SunTsua guildie of mine named his shaman "omglawl" - I would KO him for that if he was near me
11:33.45olafskiI name all my chars $class+'ski'
11:34.09olafskior 'Ski'+$class if the former is already taken
11:34.32yoshimowell some kind of pattern isnt that bad so your guildmates friends server whatever , know that its you.
11:34.47olafskiindeed.. so to remain anonymous I named my shaman Frostshoock
11:35.01olafskiwould've done more o's but that's against the naming policy :(
11:35.12SunTsuolafski: so you are of class "olaf"?
11:35.31olafskiI'm not a wow character
11:36.32yoshimowhats so special about frostshock? doesnt a shaman have any other spell? ;)
11:38.12olafskiwell frost shock is pretty OP!
11:38.17olafskiat least it used to be in vanilla wow
11:38.40olafskiI have no idea what it is like at the moment ;)
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11:45.17SunTsuolafski: it's overpowered now as well, that much overpowered that you don't use it at all ;)
11:48.27KriLL3all mine are named Voliant/d Danilov Danilod etc =P
11:48.46KriLL3got Voliant from the closed beta's random name generator, was the third name it came up with
11:48.58KriLL3since <--- isn't very fantasy
11:49.07asmodaitries to think of names that fit the characters
11:49.28olafskiyeah wouldn't want to be too strong suntsu :)
11:49.38SunTsuI just put syllabiles together until I found something that sounds nice and fits to class/race combination
11:49.44olafskiI just remember people crying big rivers about it in vanilla because the duration was longer than the cooldown or something
11:50.13olafskihm Voliant sounds familiar.. were you in here with that name?
11:50.52asmodaiSunTsu: Something like that. :)
11:50.58KriLL3olafski: don't think so
11:51.13olafskihm
11:51.18KriLL3possible though, got that nick on other servers
11:51.22asmodaiSunTsu: seeing 'humour' names can piss me off at times.
11:51.23KriLL3*networks
11:51.27SunTsuolafski: well, maybe it is used in pvp, I don't do, so I don't know
11:51.43asmodaiSunTsu: That people don't get annoyed by it.
11:51.56SunTsuasmodai: yeah, it may be funny for maybe half a week, but after that...
11:52.02KriLL3some networks I'm on I'm just in wow channels, and I use that nick there, but I'm mostly on non wow on this network
11:53.13olafskikrill3: ah, I saw a Voliand on quakenet.. was a feral druid
11:53.19KriLL3that's me
11:53.21olafskihaha
11:53.27olafskiI remember being annoyed by you :P
11:53.42KriLL3yes that's me alright
11:53.45olafski,)
11:53.54olafskiI "left" that channel.. so no matter ;p
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11:56.03SunTsuolafski: everybody is annoyed by him here as well, so it must be him ;))
11:56.26olafski:)
11:56.37olafskihaven't heard many bragging about feral druids yet so it's all good
11:56.37asmodaiSunTsu: I remember that from my early (A)D&D days.
11:57.11asmodai"Although it is funny to call you character something silly at first, after a while you will start to get annoyed when you go from adventure to adventure."
11:57.44KriLL3actually I'm leveling a DK atm, so it's perfectly fine to hate me
11:58.04olafskioh yeah, that's the other thing about you that annoyed me krill3 :P
11:59.39SunTsuasmodai: the other good thing about choosing names like that is that you most of the time end up with an unique name
12:01.23KriLL3my brother uses the same name on all his chars, he just re-arranges some letters or ads ^´ ` etc
12:01.26asmodaiOh yea, for a long period of time I was the only one using Dionise, there's a few others now, but I'm the only level 80 ;)
12:01.27olafskiI named my D&D rogue "Lidda"
12:01.32KriLL3gets a bit confusing
12:01.34olafskithink it was that anyway
12:02.05asmodaiKriLL3: I am enjoying my two DKs, one Blood, one Frost. Not sure which I like more talent tree-wise.
12:02.06KriLL3had to set notes on em to know which is which
12:02.21KriLL3frost is weird to me, can't figure out a rotation
12:02.25asmodaiBut it shows how they used their experience with these trees, they're all pretty decent.
12:02.26KriLL3blood is more like other melees
12:02.50KriLL3heart strike, death strike, keep 2 diseases up
12:03.02olafskiIT, PS, BS, BS, Ob, Ob, Ob, Ob ;)
12:03.08KriLL3death coil when you got enough runic, rune when you parry etc
12:03.29olafskiand FS to dump RP
12:03.35KriLL3olafski: don't know the abriviations
12:03.41olafskilook them up darnit :P
12:03.50olafskiicy touch, plague strike, blood strike obliterate, frost strike, runic power
12:03.58olafskithose were the ones I used I think ;)
12:04.10Repo10smartres2 (experimental): 03myrroddin * r75 / (2 files in 1 directory): working random chat messages (thanks PsychoHamster)
12:04.12Repopossible fix for ticket #23 auto res picks same target unless they accept res. needs testing!!
12:04.13Repoupdated locales
12:04.20olafskinot much different for blood though
12:04.43KriLL3well blood doesn't need runic power for one
12:04.54olafskifrost doesn't "need" it either
12:05.02KriLL3feels like it
12:05.04olafskibut both get it automatically so might as well use it while you're waiting for runes
12:05.14KriLL3yeah
12:05.47olafskiblood was much more fun before they nerfed death strike :P
12:06.10KriLL3how was it pre nerf? haven't played DK earlier
12:06.20olafskiyou could heal like 60% of your hp when DS critted
12:06.21KriLL3still hits hard and heals quite a lot
12:06.24KriLL3lol
12:06.33olafskiit was a % of the damage done rather than a % of your hp
12:06.41KriLL3ah
12:06.47KriLL3large hit = zomg healing
12:06.50olafskiyer
12:06.55olafskivery easy to solo old content with that
12:07.25miicaolafski: like if you write /g it starts to write to guild chat all the time
12:07.45miicaolafski: i want system i can write example /n and it starts to put all you write to some function example
12:07.48KriLL3DKs seem to solo elites as well as ferals, or nearly as well, their healing seems to lack at times, runes used up, cooldowns used up and there isn't much you can do
12:07.56miicaolafski: so i could make "second guild chat"
12:08.13olafskimiica: yer I got it.. maybe it's possible, things like Prat make random channels sticky so maybe you can do something similar
12:08.22miicaolafski: k
12:08.28miicaolafski: need to check it out
12:08.32olafskiperhaps Prat might just be what you want already :)
12:08.50olafskikrill3: I wouldn't know, I never solo elites on my druid.. well not very often
12:08.53miicaolafski: i want make "second guild chat" for my friends because we are in different guild and we still wanna do some stuff together
12:09.02olafskikrill3: do you do that in cat or bear form?
12:09.05KriLL3olafski: I do frequently
12:09.16KriLL3olafski: both
12:09.20olafskimiica: yeah I should do that too for my friends :) but I think just setting the channel we made for ourselves to sticky should be enough
12:09.40KriLL3my tactic is starting in catform, and using instant cast after finisher to cast instant HT/rejuv + regrowth
12:09.54KriLL3and then if I'm starting to get in trouble shift to bear
12:09.57olafskihm
12:10.02olafskibut bears don't heal much
12:10.17KriLL3no, you need to endure long enough that you can kill it in bear
12:10.33KriLL3got several tanking cooldowns to make use of
12:10.35olafskiah.. wouldn't work too well for bosses then
12:10.48olafskilike say onyxia (lvl 60 version :))
12:11.05KriLL3not really sure, but I do Chillmaw and 3/5 man quests like that easy
12:11.14olafskiwell yeah but those are weak ;)
12:11.21olafskiI should try soloing MC sometime.. but I have trouble with those hound packs
12:11.47olafskikilling them at the same time is hard, if you get a lucky crit twice in a row on one of them it's dead and will rez >_<
12:12.21KriLL3that cat healing tactic is very good imo, though you might want to shift into bear if you got 0 energy and no tigers fury ready etc
12:12.37KriLL3and then back to cat when you got energy again
12:12.55olafskiyer I guess that works.. my druid is lvl 51 so I don't have that "instant energy when you shift" talent yet
12:13.13KriLL3you don't gain energy anymore, you just retain it
12:13.21KriLL3and it builds while out of catform
12:14.08KriLL3blizz didn't like the shifting back and forth to gain energy thing
12:14.28KriLL3that's why they made shifting cost 1/6 your base mana aka 1/6:th of your mana
12:14.40KriLL3then they realized that wasn't exactly fair to ferals
12:14.56olafskiyer.. I know, I just don't have any talents outside the feral tree :P
12:15.19KriLL3yeah I got 51p first also ofc
12:16.31olafskiI'm leveling by tanking dungeons
12:16.33olafskinot a bad way to go
12:16.58olafskithough I was thinking of doing a couple of quests.. could round up ungoro in about an hour now I bet
12:16.58KriLL3I cba going instances before 80
12:17.09KriLL3most of em seem completely clueless
12:17.17olafskihm doesn't seem too bad so far
12:17.34olafskishame there's hardly any loot I can use in there.. maybe that'll get better in the tbc dungeons
12:17.50KriLL3don't you get care packages?
12:18.09olafskiyeah
12:18.12KriLL3and yes feral itemization in vanilla was laughable
12:18.20olafskibut there are only 2 types of item in each of them
12:18.24olafskiand you get them for 10 levels :)
12:18.33KriLL3basically take what ever leather rogues don't want and a 2 hand weapon of some sort
12:18.55olafskiyer.. I have heirloom chest, shoulders, weapon and trinket though
12:19.05olafskihttp://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonblight&n=Druidski
12:19.14KriLL3do the hellfire quests, you'll replace all your gear quickly there
12:19.55KriLL3they're a lot higher iLVL
12:19.59olafskiyarp
12:20.02olafskibut can't do that just yet :P
12:20.15KriLL3that's why I /rolleyes at people going there after 58, like 60 or higher
12:20.33KriLL3no point staying on azeroth at 58
12:20.34olafskiI used to as well
12:20.40olafskibut going there at 60 makes it soooo much easier :P
12:20.45KriLL3better gear and faster xp in outland
12:20.48olafskiyou get to fly from the get go
12:20.52KriLL3naw, trivial at 58
12:21.02olafskiI think I'll go and have some fun in the lvl 60 dungeons on this one
12:21.10olafskiit's my lowest char, so if I don't do it now I'll never get to do it :)
12:21.19KriLL3heh
12:21.54KriLL3I told my brother that's leveling a pala atm to go to desolance, since it's gonna be changed in cata he should savor the gray and brown lifeless terrain and puddles now while he still can
12:22.16Megalonwell, if you go to outlands with 58
12:22.19Megalonyou are 60
12:22.25Megalonin about, 8 quests? :X
12:22.30KriLL3yeah something like that
12:23.06Megalonzangamarsch, 64 or so
12:23.11Megalonand you hit 68 in nagrand
12:23.31Fiskeri want my damn trinket Megalon
12:23.31KriLL3I hit 68 in nagrand yep, but I did zangar and terrokar in addition to hellfire
12:23.41Fiskerand i might just get it
12:24.44SunTsuzangar took me about an hour to do all quests on my dk. path of frost ftw
12:24.56olafskiI'm going to do one run in all wings of DM, scholo, stratholme and BRS at least before I head to outland
12:25.07KriLL3why do you hit 68 without going blade's edge, netherstorm and shadowmoon?
12:25.12Fiskerdid you hear me KriLL3 ?
12:25.19KriLL3Fisker: yes, yes I did
12:25.40FiskerHFP->Nagrand->Netherstorm->Northrend
12:25.47KriLL3urgh BRS and everything else in that damn mountain sucks ass
12:25.49Fiskerthat's my hacker tip of the week
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12:26.09olafskibeen ages since I did them krill3, I won't mind doing it
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12:26.14asmodaiI was levelling mining and picked up some stray quests in those zones. As a result I made level 60 >_<
12:26.18KriLL3BRS and BRD are completely unfathomable
12:26.21asmodaihaven't even really started in Hellfire yet
12:26.25olafskihow so?
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12:26.34WobinKriLL3, is BFD fathomable?
12:26.36KriLL3olafski: errm they're huge, multi path etc
12:26.45olafskiwell, ubrs isn't multi path
12:26.47asmodaiCan you even solo them?
12:26.49olafskilbrs is kinda odd though yeah
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12:27.01KriLL3BRD is the worst
12:27.05olafskiBRD is weird
12:27.08WobinMara =P
12:27.09olafskiespecially in the new system
12:27.16olafskiit's split into 2 parts for the queueing
12:27.17KriLL3http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/7/7e/BRDFlowchartMap.jpg welcome to insanity
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12:27.21olafskilower city and upper city
12:27.30olafskibut the lower city "end boss" can be reached in 5 minutes
12:28.12asmodaijesus
12:28.14asmodaihttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/e/e3/Blackrock_Depths_bosses.jpg
12:28.17KriLL3and to get the key to open most of the paths you need to speak with a dead NPC outside
12:28.24asmodaiSuch a diverse cast too
12:28.25KriLL3which has no pre-quest
12:29.09KriLL3so you have to find him while running around dead
12:29.09olafskihehe yeah that is indeed rather vague
12:29.09Wobinyeah that quest is terrible
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12:29.14KriLL3I had to take a lava bath to do it, twice
12:29.14Wobin"The only way you can get the key is to die, then run around as a ghost -outside- the instance til you see a npc and get a quest from him"
12:29.14olafskimeh that's sort of painting a wrong image asmodai
12:29.21olafskimany of those are "named" but don't even drop anything
12:29.26SunTsuasmodai: yeah, I was browsing atlasloot BRD some days ago and was stunned by the pure amount of bosses in there
12:29.30olafskikrill3: why twice?
12:29.39KriLL3though you turned it in at him also
12:29.59olafskiheh
12:29.59KriLL3but you don't
12:29.59olafskibut you don't :P
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12:30.11olafskiI guess they figured people die there enough to run into that guy eventually
12:30.41olafskibut he doesn't even have a ! over his head
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12:31.26olafskithat picture is great though
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12:31.27olafskiif it wouldn't have all the text I would put it on my wallpaper
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12:31.27KriLL3blizz really should have split LBRS and BRD into wings
12:31.49KriLL3they did so with scarlet monastery in vanilla
12:31.50olafskiand maraudon somewhat
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12:31.50KriLL3and SM is much smaller than either LRBS or BRD
12:31.50Wobinolafski, he probably does, if you're the right level
12:32.10olafskiwobin: no, he doesn't :P
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12:32.11olafskiwobin: you need to gossip with him first
12:32.11Wobinolafski, terrible =)
12:32.11olafskiiirc :<
12:32.51olafskimaraudon is split up into 3 parts for the dungeon finder btw, quite nice
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12:33.45yoshimoblizzard introduced their own questhelper recently, what can an addon query from this builtin solution?
12:33.56Grumnothing :(
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12:34.27KriLL3though you can make waypoints to the pins manually in tomtom
12:34.37yoshimothats not much grum^^
12:34.40Grumyoshimo: you cannot harvest the areas at all
12:34.44Grumor can you load areas for quests you do not have
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12:35.14yoshimothey dont want us to mine that info, do they?
12:35.31Grumthe way it works is that you 'select a quest' and then for that quest for the current state the 'area' will be overlayed, the overlay appears to be generated remotely and only allows polling by manual mouse-movement (it lights up when you are over it etc)
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12:50.36asmodaimmm
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12:52.38yoshimonetsplit  once more^^
12:52.38Grumnetsplits hurt :(
12:53.32yoshimoif you dont hide joins/leaves, yes
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12:53.32KriLL3yeah just goes a bit quiet
12:53.32Grumanyhow, i just realized that the quest-overlay data must be stored locally somewhere
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12:53.33Grumit might have ended up in the cache orso
12:54.31Grumso you could be able to harvest it
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12:54.34KriLL3or at worst manually
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12:54.35yoshimothe last one i read was the "polling with manual mouse movement" ;)
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12:59.54KriLL3game companies whine about declining PC sales after releasing everything for the PC that appears on consoles half a year later, weird huh?
13:00.15Funkeh`lol
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13:00.43KriLL3mass effect 2 comes out in a couple of weeks for consoles, in may for PC
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13:01.19Myrroddinwhich command is it to hide join/leaves?
13:01.31KriLL3depends on your client, night be an option somewhere
13:01.36KriLL3*might
13:01.39asmodaierrr
13:01.49Myrroddini'm using chatzilla
13:01.51asmodaiKriLL3: that's odd, since my ME2 is coming out next week
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13:02.04asmodaifor PC
13:02.05KriLL3Myrroddin: in that case you need to add a line to your motif
13:02.13KriLL3asmodai: nope
13:02.36KriLL3huh
13:02.41KriLL3said may yesterday
13:02.53olafskidoesn't say that on wikipedia.. but perhaps the info is outdated
13:03.04olafskibut yeah they're doing that with quite a few games.. and understandably so I guess
13:03.06asmodaiSteam is already allowing precaching IIRC
13:03.08KriLL3Myrroddin: forgot the line, ask in #chatzilla on moznet
13:03.22Myrroddinkk, ty
13:03.27olafskiI'm going to assume that people pirate less on consoles than they do on pc, so they hope people can't wait and buy it for consoles rather than pirate it on pc :)
13:03.28KriLL3olafski: well 360 piracy isn't exactly hard
13:03.35olafskiI wouldn't know
13:03.39olafskiI buy my 360 games ;)
13:03.53olafskione of the reasons I hardly have enough money atm
13:04.00KriLL3well I see a lot of 360 releases, don't have a 360 or other console for that matter though
13:04.39olafskiif "they" catch you doing it on a 360, they'll ban your console from online play
13:04.45olafskithat risk isn't really there for pc
13:05.45olafskiand I dunno about ps3.. haven't heard that you can pirate there, on wii it's possible afaik
13:05.48KriLL3well you can turn off the chip if you want to play online
13:06.01olafskiapparently it's possible to play online with pirated games on the 360 too
13:06.05olafskibut I will still buy my games :)
13:06.12KriLL3some chips turn off by themselves if you're connected to the internet
13:06.16olafskihell I don't even care about playing online
13:06.43olafskithere are a few games recently that I want to buy though and I have no money, that's frustrating :P
13:06.53yoshimono matter which platform and which kind of protection, someone will crack it , just a matter of dedication and time
13:06.56olafskishould finish my thesis quickly and get a job already
13:07.06olafskiyoshimo: then I guess the ps3 players aren't dedicated enough ;)
13:07.08Myrroddin!faq conf-mode
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13:13.11KriLL3hmm, wondering if I should play ME2 with my 360 gamepad or mouse + keyboard
13:13.38KriLL3it's a shooter but ME(1) was cluncky enough to make using a mouse no advantage at all
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13:14.17KriLL3though people are saying that ME2 is a much better shooter
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13:15.53Arrowmasteri still need to do another play through of ME to try and get everything i think will effect ME2
13:15.54KriLL3same
13:15.54KriLL3I already did a long time ago but that savegame is lost somewhere
13:16.19olafskihm if ME2 is an actual shooter I might get it
13:16.19Arrowmasterits not a shooter
13:16.19olafskithe concept of the first didn't appeal to me much.. looked like an RPG to me
13:16.19ArrowmasterIT WAS AN RPG
13:16.19KriLL3well it's still an RPG
13:16.19olafskialright :P
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13:16.41olafskithen not my game
13:16.41KriLL3but the shooting mechanic is much more refined
13:16.41Arrowmasterit was fine in ME
13:17.14Arrowmasteri went through the entire game with just a pistol
13:17.17KriLL3no it was super clunky
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13:17.17Arrowmastermaybe if you sucked
13:17.32KriLL3guessing you weren't a soldier
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13:18.32KriLL3it's a fairly universal complaint that the shooting and combat in general in ME wasn't brilliant
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13:18.34KriLL3watch any interview and the bioware guys admit that
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13:18.34KriLL3the inventory was another sour note
13:18.35Arrowmasterno i was the full biotics class and really didnt use the powers that much
13:18.35Fiskerwtf
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13:19.12arkanesthe inventory was terrible
13:19.12Fisker3 runs in Forge of Souls and the same loot on the endboss
13:19.12Arrowmasteri just killed everything with a pistol without any trouble
13:19.12Fiskerfu
13:19.12KriLL3especially on the PC the inventory stank horribly of console UI
13:19.12GrumFisker: mwhahahahahhahahaha
13:19.12arkanesI don;t know why anyone was upset that it wasn't a shooter, though
13:19.12Arrowmasterthe PC UI was a vast improvement over the console one
13:19.12KriLL3arkanes: no one was, people didn't like the clunky combat
13:19.47arkanesKriLL3: I didn't feel it was clunky
13:19.47KriLL3ME2 is a much better shooter
13:19.48Arrowmasteri didnt find it clunky at all
13:19.48arkanessee?
13:19.48arkanesyou just said it again :P
13:19.48KriLL3just watch the trailers/interviews, bioware bends over backwards admitting it was bad
13:19.48Fiskerthe UI in ME1 was shitty as hell
13:19.48arkanessure there wasn't a lot of depth or sophistication to it
13:20.00arkanesbut it wasn't a shooter, it was an RPG
13:20.00KriLL3...
13:20.11KriLL3the shooter element
13:20.11Arrowmasterit had simple combat
13:20.11arkanesI don't get pissed that bayonetta doesn't have any plot development either
13:20.11Arrowmasterand i exploited the fuck out of it
13:20.20KriLL3aka when diplomacy fails and you need to kill something
13:20.20Arrowmasterarkanes: TAKE THAT BACK
13:20.30arkanesKriLL3: FF7 was a terrible shooter too
13:20.40KriLL3FF7 doesn't have any shooting
13:20.40Arrowmasterarkanes: nothing was wrong with the bayonetta plot
13:21.10arkanesArrowmaster: it can't have plot development if it doesn't have dialog trees and a morality tree mechanic!
13:21.18arkanesArrowmaster: thats just simple logic
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13:21.44ArrowmasterKriLL3: the ME ai was dumb as fuck, you seriously didnt need anything more than a pistol to complete the game
13:21.50KriLL3ME is an RPG with shooter elements, it's not a "pure" RPG, and saying the shooter part was stilted and awkward isn't unfair or unjustified, bioware admit as much and have said time and time again that ME2 has a much better combat system
13:21.56KriLL3Arrowmaster: I know
13:21.59arkanesKriLL3: FF7 had about as much FPS style shooting as ME does
13:22.11KriLL3arkanes: errm no, it has no FPS shooting at all, while ME has a lot
13:22.11Arrowmasterjust use some basic kiting strats in hallways and you rape every encounter
13:22.19arkanesKriLL3: none!
13:22.21KriLL3Arrowmaster: yes I know
13:22.26KriLL3I did that also
13:22.38asmodaiME for me was, ooowwww, shiny sniper rifle, used it on all side missions to eliminate all enemies from a distance. And rifles/pistols up close. Biotics? What's that? :P
13:22.42arkanesKriLL3: I don't really care what bioware admitted, look at the travesty that was prince of persia 2
13:23.04arkanesKriLL3: they "admitted" that what everyone wanted from the game was complicated in depth combat and they were wrong and produced a shitty game because of it
13:23.13KriLL3ME's story was nice, but the side missions and combat was very basic
13:23.27asmodaiarkanes: PoP2? You mean, Prince of Persia: Warrior Within?
13:23.29arkanesthe side missions were pretty bad, especially the planets
13:23.31arkanesasmodai: yeah
13:23.43arkanesasmodai: I know its not really "2", but it was labelled as such
13:23.44KriLL3arkanes: yeah and looking around on the planets in that blimp they called a tank was horrible
13:23.46asmodaiThe side missions all use the same layout everywhere. It was bad.
13:23.58arkanesanyway, side missions being bad matters, because the game *is* about doing missions with your team
13:24.00Arrowmasternever listen to developers when they are discussing what they improved over a previous game, they will always blow everything out of proportion just because a small few in the community were vocal about something they thought was bad
13:24.04arkanesthe combat being simple doesn't
13:24.25krkaME?
13:24.38arkanesI have been really looking forward to ME 2, and then the stupid animated ads that have been running actually almost put me off it
13:24.39KriLL3mass effect
13:24.46arkanesespecially the ones on curse and hulu
13:25.00asmodaianimated ads?
13:25.05asmodaiMust've missed thos.e
13:25.08KriLL3what ads? =P
13:25.09arkanesasmodai: little trailer type things
13:25.14KriLL3adblock ftw
13:25.25arkanesthe one on hulu is about the special gun you get for preordering from gamestop
13:25.32arkanesand it's stupid and terrible
13:25.34Arrowmasterthe planets were repetative but all the horror everybody was bitching about 'oh my god they are absolutely unplayable blah blah blah im a lazy fucking tawt' was nonsense they were fine
13:25.57arkanesand the one on curse is some irritating monologue about the krugan guy and how he likes to kill stuff
13:26.02KriLL3they were playable but you wished you didn't play em afterwards
13:26.11Arrowmasteri did them all
13:26.13ArrowmasterALL
13:26.14arkanesArrowmaster: the worst part was playing them again the second time through
13:26.16arkanesArrowmaster: yeah same
13:26.16KriLL3arkanes: hosts file blocking curse ads ftw
13:26.23KriLL3Arrowmaster: I did close to all
13:26.25arkanesKriLL3: I don't block ads on curse
13:26.33KriLL3I block all ads everywhere
13:26.46Arrowmasteri never got around to a 2nd playthrough yet
13:26.55asmodaiarkanes: Yeah, same here
13:26.58KriLL3most of em are obnoxious and some of them are security vulnerabilities
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13:27.01arkanesArrowmaster: but when I played through a second time and realized that they didn't have the excuse of being procedural and random, but instead were all *designed* that way, thats when I got more irritated about them
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13:27.09asmodaiall the side missions, I love doing it alllllll
13:27.16yoshimoKriLL3, you shouldnt blockl curse adds, instead buy a subscription to hide them ;)
13:27.21Arrowmasterarkanes: nothing is ever random....
13:27.24KriLL3yoshimo: I'm too cheap
13:27.57olafskiso get a free premium
13:28.02olafskiwrite an addon ,)
13:28.10arkanesArrowmaster: did the side missions and the planets not have the feel of "make some terrain with perlis noise, randomly generate some encounters" to you?
13:28.24Arrowmasterno
13:28.37yoshimothey need to pay the servers somehow and we shouldnt prevent them getting money ;)
13:28.37Fiskerhalls of stone :(
13:28.40Arrowmasterif it was random terrain i would have gotten stuck a lot more than i did
13:29.01arkanesthe mako can go up sheer faces
13:29.02KriLL3pfft might as well have been random
13:29.06Arrowmasteri only got stuck a few times
13:29.17arkanesthey didn't design the terrain to keep from getting stuck, they just raped the phsyics engine
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13:42.51asmodaiGoing well today
13:43.42olafskiyer :P
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13:46.07olafskikrill3: is there any reason to use claw once I get mangle (cat)? :/
13:47.22krkano
13:48.09olafskididn't think so.. hmkay
13:48.51krkaolafski: http://azeroth.metblogs.com/files/2009/10/catdps.jpg
13:49.00olafskiyer I've seen that many times :P
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13:49.10krkayet you didn't remember the first step?
13:49.14olafskiah, first thing answers it :)
13:49.19olafskihehe I didn't have a druid when I looked at that picture
13:49.24olafskiso I just chuckled and closed it
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13:49.55krkait's surprisingly accurate
13:50.02KriLL3yes
13:50.12olafskiI better get rid of my glyph of claw too then
13:50.26olafskimaybe get glyph of survival instincts :/
13:51.08KriLL3ferals don't have a "rotation" it's more about keeping your key buffs/debuffs up and spamming mangle/shred
13:51.39olafskihm you spam shred? doesn't it have to wear off before you reapply it?
13:51.48KriLL3first do a 1/2 combo point savage roar, then a 5 point savage roar/rip, keep rake up, keep mangle up, keep rip up in that order
13:51.54KriLL3no
13:51.55olafskioh wait, shred is that beind attack
13:51.58KriLL3and shred is our backstack
13:52.01KriLL3*backstab
13:52.08KriLL3you're thinking about rake?
13:52.11olafskiyeah
13:52.13KriLL3and no it doesn't have to expire
13:52.15KriLL3same with rip
13:52.25KriLL3though it's a waste to refresh em too early
13:52.26olafskilet me see what savage rip does :P
13:52.47KriLL3savage roar does 30% more dmg
13:53.00olafskihm don't have that yet it seems
13:53.14olafskiah, lvl 75
13:53.14KriLL3yaeh it's high up
13:53.33KriLL3you should always have that up when you get it, so even do it near the start
13:53.41KriLL3then refresh it with a 5 point to keep it going
13:53.43KriLL3then rip
13:53.49KriLL3keep mangle and rake up
13:54.01KriLL3do a ferocious bite if you got long duration on rip and SR
13:54.08KriLL3but that's not often
13:54.20KriLL3use shred on OoC procs
13:54.39KriLL3high energy cost but high dmg - energy cost
13:54.41KriLL3(do it even if you can do a finisher btw)
13:55.02olafskiah yes
13:55.16olafskiwell I don't intend to dps much.. dps bores me most of the time
13:55.23KriLL3yeah same
13:55.38KriLL3and feral is one of the most complicated dps classes
13:55.40olafskiand finding groups is so much easier as a tank
13:55.53olafskiwow I'm having some luck with mining in ungoro today
13:56.14olafskifound 3 rich thorium veins next to eachother a few minutes ago, and now a small vein that respawned the second I mined it :P
13:57.07KriLL3nice, though isn't thorium kinda pointless?
13:58.10olafskiI'm just mining it while questing
13:58.16olafskiand I just have mining for the stamina bonus :P
13:58.36olafski13 more points to get to 300
13:59.07KriLL3same fishing daily all week :\
13:59.08arkaneswhen you're leveling, of course, your rotation doesn't look anything like that
13:59.14KriLL3yeah
13:59.19olafskialso, is there much point to getting improved mangle if I'm only tanking?
13:59.22arkanespull with FFF, rake, mangle twice, fb, dead
13:59.34olafskihas a benefit for bear, but I don't see how that helps me
13:59.48KriLL3olafski: mangle is your main tanking attack
13:59.58olafskiarkanes: does mangle affect rake if you cast it afterwards?
14:00.03olafskikrill3: oh.. I usually use swipe and maul :)
14:00.05KriLL3yes
14:00.21KriLL3olafski: swipe maul and mangle, you should mangle when cooldown is done
14:00.51olafskihm
14:00.55KriLL3mangle increases your bleed dmg
14:00.55olafskiI'll get the talent then :P
14:01.00KriLL3(lacerate)
14:01.05KriLL3and other's bleed dmg
14:01.08olafskiyeah, I use that now but only to not let it run out
14:01.21KriLL3you don't have rage enough to spam it all day?
14:01.24arkanesleveling as a bear is somewhat unusual too
14:01.34KriLL3arkanes: he's tanking instances
14:01.34arkanesI found kitty to be much more productive
14:01.37arkanesah
14:01.53arkaneswell mangle is your biggest single target threat move
14:02.02KriLL3and bear is faster vs many opponents, better swipe, maul hitting 2 with glyph, mangle hitting 3 with berserk
14:02.17pentium166also not dying
14:02.17arkanesswipe & glyphed maul (especially maul) is your AOE threat
14:02.22KriLL3but yes cat is faster vs a single opponent
14:02.31KriLL3pentium166: well cat can instant cast after finisher
14:02.32arkanesKriLL3: its a rage issue more than anything
14:02.51arkanesI only switched to bear on 3-4 targets
14:02.56KriLL3arkanes: as long as you're swiping a lot of enemies or have the dodge = rage talent rage isn't an issue
14:03.26KriLL3but yes I'd only use bear vs 3+ opponents
14:03.30arkaneshow does swipe give you rage?
14:03.35KriLL3rage on crit
14:03.37KriLL3swipe can crit
14:03.41arkanesoh I see
14:04.00arkaneskeep in mind that sub 60 you're going to have like 20% crit though :(
14:04.03KriLL3I swipe the zombies in CoS and got infinite rage in the first section
14:04.10arkanesif that
14:04.40KriLL3yeah true, not really accustomed to leveling with current feral
14:04.46olafskiI'm at 25.15% crit
14:05.23arkanesI suppose instance gear helps
14:05.35arkanesand I also leveled to 60 with RAF so I did it in like 10 hours and still wearing level 20 gear
14:05.40KriLL3leveled as balance/resto in vanilla since feral was useless, leveled as feral in TBC but feral was very different then, and leveled as feral in LK but that was a long time ago, and feral was still quite different back then, not to mention I didn't have all the high level abilities
14:06.09pentium166(savage roar)
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14:06.13quiescensheadache~
14:06.13KriLL3I didn't use SR for ages since I didn't realize how powerful it was
14:06.20arkanesI barely ever used SR leveling
14:06.28KriLL3I don't think I used it ever
14:06.51olafskispeaking of never using abilities.. I've been tanking on my paladin for ages and only found out this week that they can shield slam
14:06.56arkanesbasically if something was tough enough that I wasn't going to kill it with a 5 point FB, I'd savage roar instead and kill it with mangles
14:07.13KriLL3I used rip in that case
14:07.17arkanesbut the duration is short enough that only lasted a single extra fight
14:07.32KriLL3yeah it's not terribly useful on mobs/trash
14:07.36KriLL3more of a boss ability
14:07.49arkanesit's not like S&D for a combat rogue, which you can use a single CP on each fight and have near 100% uptime as you grind
14:07.58quiescenseh
14:08.09quiescensI use savage roar with first combo point on trash
14:08.11quiescenso.o
14:08.27arkanesI've only ever done 1 instance as feral
14:08.28quiescensgenerally its worth it
14:08.40quiescensit "feels" nice to skip it and get more attacks in
14:08.44arkanesand I was pathetic, because I didn't have my bars set up or updated or anything, heh
14:09.04quiescensbut 30% boost to everything, only takes about 5 seconds for it to make up the cost of having used savage roar
14:09.08arkanesI was level 78 when lfd hit and I leveled to 80 from healing randoms
14:10.48KriLL3quiescens: yes a 1-2 point SR does more dmg but it feels weird, and I didn't really realize I had the ability until I had been 80 for a long time
14:11.22KriLL3I use it now however, though it's not on a good bind I remember easily sadly, my bars are full
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14:13.39olafskiI assume cats get some aoe at some point?
14:13.44KriLL3swipe
14:14.03arkanesat 71 I think
14:14.03KriLL3though it's not as good as bear swipe
14:14.07KriLL3think it's 3 targets only
14:14.11arkanesnah
14:14.14quiescensits unlimited
14:14.19KriLL3ok
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14:14.24KriLL3costs energy though
14:14.28arkanesright
14:14.29quiescensas it would
14:14.30quiescenslol
14:14.39KriLL3not as spammable
14:14.41KriLL3bear can spam swipe all day
14:14.48KriLL3get more energy than you loose
14:14.49KriLL3*rage
14:15.08quiescensanyway, I didn't level as feral
14:15.29KriLL3I did, but I played more or less like a rogue in catform all the time except vs large groups and elites
14:15.37arkanesferal leveling is awesome
14:15.41arkanesespecially now
14:15.50olafskiI hated cat form so much when I first got it
14:16.02quiescenswith good gear there's no point for using bear form for the most part
14:16.06olafskiyou get like claw and rip
14:16.07arkanesyou've got the massive burst dps and nearly instant kills of a rogue, great mobility, flight form is super
14:16.10KriLL3love that you can "bug" some collection quests etc were you stay in flightform
14:16.15olafskisince rip sucks on single mobs while leveling you only use claw >_<
14:16.38KriLL3olafski: yeah low level feral is 1-3 buttons
14:16.39arkanesplus 0 downtime through instant healing touches after each kill, and you regen mana faster than you need to use it from lotp
14:17.02quiescensin generally its essentially a matter of, use cat for anything that won't hurt you significantly
14:17.04KriLL3arkanes: rejuv is more healing than HT btw
14:17.20KriLL3quiescens: well cat gives you a lot more healing
14:18.06KriLL3higher dmg output, higher dmg input and more healing, a bit more dicy but it's faster usually
14:18.26olafskioh one more krill3 .. does a tank build generally get Brutal Impact?
14:18.36arkanesKriLL3: yes but then I need to wait around for rejuve to tick
14:18.49KriLL3olafski: doesn't really matter
14:18.58KriLL3arkanes: no not really, just keep going
14:19.10arkanesKriLL3: instant HT tops me off faster
14:19.16arkanesKriLL3: I can add a rejuve on top of that if I want
14:19.28KriLL3don't you mean regrowth?
14:19.31arkanesno
14:19.36KriLL3errm wait I did
14:19.36olafskikrill3: I'm asking because I need a filler talent at some point, deciding between brutal impact and thick hide
14:19.40olafskihttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZxGMscrkcIRc0zo is what I have now
14:19.48KriLL3regrowth > HT
14:19.52arkanesKriLL3: and if you don't get the agi->spellpower talent HT heals for more anyway
14:20.04KriLL3nope
14:20.09KriLL3regrowth heals a bit more
14:20.09arkanesyes
14:20.15arkanesif you include the hot
14:20.22KriLL3and hots heal more in catform
14:20.25arkanesbut who cares about that
14:20.40quiescenseh
14:22.16quiescenspeople like to think like that
14:22.19quiescenslol
14:22.37KriLL3nice thing about hots is that if they top you up they can top you up again if you're hit
14:22.40quiescenssame vein as the "trash doesn't matter" mentality
14:23.40arkanesquiescens: I'm not going to get uptight about the efficiency of my self healing while leveling, which is measured in casts per minute
14:23.48arkanesa HT will bring me to full
14:24.01arkanesa regrowth won't, unless I wait for the hot to tick
14:24.11arkanesthats all I really care about at that moment
14:24.19arkanesif I want a hot ticking while I kill some other mobs I'll toss in a rejuve
14:24.46quiescensshrugs, I'm just saying, to me if they heal for the same they are the same
14:24.56arkanesquiescens: well, they don't heal for the same
14:24.58arkanesso thats wrong
14:25.06arkanesone heals up front and the other heals over time
14:25.28arkanesyou could probably sustain a regrowth on yourself if you didn't mind shifting all the time
14:25.29quiescensare you dead in the meantime? if not they're the same
14:25.32arkanesbut eh
14:25.40arkanesquiescens: no?
14:27.09arkanesif you take the +heal/agi->sp talent you'd get different scaling
14:27.14arkanesbut it's not a very good talent and I skip it
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14:42.16KriLL3regrowth heals for more, that's the key part for me
14:42.38KriLL3and if the cast is free you might as well use the biggest heal
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14:50.54olafskimm 14 minute flights <3
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14:54.04yoshimothe retripaladin rotation is Judgement > HoW > CS > DS > Consecrate > Exorcism > Holy Wrath and exorzism everytime when art of war procs, isnt it?
14:56.55KriLL3why are there non set items sold for the same amount of frost marks as the set items in dala?
14:57.05[Ammo]yoshimo: yeah basically
14:57.09[Ammo]holy wrath only on 5+ mobs
14:57.32[Ammo]although just use CLCRet :)
14:57.44[Ammo]set up the rotation for your gear once
14:57.46[Ammo]and pewpew
14:58.35SunTsuyoshimo: there is no rotation
14:58.45yoshimoi now , its fcfs
14:58.56winkillerKriLL3: they're generally higher iLvl
14:59.00arkanesits a priority not a rotation
14:59.05KriLL3winkiller: the dala ones?
14:59.15winkillerlike T9 Shoulders were 232 and the non-set were 245
14:59.17SunTsuit's more a priority list, and after the beginning you just use what comes from cd
14:59.23winkillershould be the same with 251 / 263
14:59.26winkiller*264
14:59.28KriLL3winkiller: that's triump, I'm talking frost
14:59.34winkillershould be the same with 251 / 264
14:59.39winkillermy trinket is 264
14:59.43yoshimokrill, i think you can buy t10 either in icc or in dalaran
14:59.51arkanesgenerally fcfs, but you'll end up with clashes where multiple skills come off CD at the same time and thats when the priority list comes into play
14:59.52KriLL3yoshimo: no you can't
14:59.54SunTsuin ICC
15:00.08arkanesyoshimo is correct
15:00.09winkillerthe cloaks are 264 as well
15:00.10yoshimoammo, does clcret take mana into account as well?
15:00.18arkanest10 is at your armor vendor in dal, as well as on the guys in ICC
15:00.23winkillerKriLL3: plate is in "tanks for everything"
15:00.45KriLL3wha?
15:00.54winkillerand the non-set gloves are iLvl 264
15:00.55arkanesKriLL3: guy behind the counter, next to the shield vendor
15:01.03winkillerwhereas T10 is iLvl 251
15:01.05KriLL3I'm feral
15:01.06winkillerI WAS RITE
15:01.13winkillerthen go to the t7 armor vendor
15:01.14yoshimothere is a vendor for every t.level
15:01.16winkillernear ally bank
15:01.20arkanesKriLL3: then go to the leather shop over by the fishing pool
15:01.21winkillersame building
15:01.24KriLL3ah
15:01.32KriLL3looked at frost mark vendor
15:01.34winkilleryou are not prepared, KriLL3!
15:01.43[Ammo]yoshimo: I think so yeah
15:01.47[Ammo]although not sure now
15:01.55[Ammo]but I like it a lot when I'm on my OS :)
15:03.04yoshimowatching one button instead of awhole actionbar ^^
15:03.17KriLL3why have higher iLVL gear for the same frost marks? it it because the set items can be upgraded in ICC?
15:04.44yoshimoyou buy the first version (10man) then in 25 you loot a token to upgrade it
15:04.57KriLL3I know
15:05.07arkanesit seems wierd
15:05.21arkanesin t9, it was balanced by the offset stuff costing 50% more marks
15:05.22winkillerT9 couldn'T
15:05.27KriLL3I was asking why there are non set items for the same amount of frost marks as the set items with a higher iLVL
15:05.29winkillerit's to account for the set bonuses I think
15:05.42winkillerand cool people want cool matching gear :P
15:05.45arkanestier pays for the set bonuses with fewer sockets
15:06.11winkillerthey are still "unique"
15:06.25winkilleryou can't get the effects by throwing more stats at a non-set item
15:06.31winkillerthat's probably their reasoning
15:06.38winkillerdecide - stats or utility
15:07.02winkilleroh my, imagine there were gems with effects like in D2
15:07.04KriLL3and set items improve if you raid
15:07.07winkillerlife-stealing etc
15:15.27KriLL3bah cut gems don't stack
15:15.51KriLL3I blame Fisker
15:16.34KriLL3heh, T10 shoulders
15:16.53KriLL3could have taken the non set belt for a bigger iLVL bump but shoulders are more visible
15:19.29Fiskeryeah i figured it all out KriLL3
15:19.54Fiskerthe reason why cut gems don't stack is because it's an easy hack to prevent people gemming 20xgems in one slot
15:19.55Fisker;3
15:20.06Fiskeryou know it to be true
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15:20.13KriLL3yes, yes I do
15:21.17KriLL3though it's a bit weird that you can't simply superglue an infinite amount of gems to your gear
15:21.57KriLL3except that would look really gay
15:23.10KriLL3weird imo that even though most gear that has gem sockets have big shiny gems on the model the gem doesn't change color / is empty depending on how you've gemmed it, would be cool if it did
15:23.26KriLL3guy with all red gems on his gear is obviously dps for starters
15:24.01Gnarfozany news on how the blood infusion works?
15:26.22Fiskeroh god
15:26.26FiskerBill Gates joined twitter
15:26.28Fiskerthe world is doomed
15:26.34KriLL3I doubt it's him
15:27.02Fiskerit is
15:27.11Fiskerunless twitter's verified system sucks
15:27.20KriLL3it's either a weirdo playing out his "I'm Bill f-ing Gates" fantasy or it's an employee hired to do it
15:27.47SunTsuKriLL3: the last one, probably
15:27.55KriLL3all famous people hire people do troll the social media networks
15:28.03Fiskerduh
15:28.04KriLL3*to
15:28.22KriLL3which kinda defeats the purpose =P
15:28.40KriLL3oh look how open I am, I got an intern pretending to be me online
15:28.41SunTsuKriLL3: some twitter themselves. Like Weird Al
15:28.53KriLL3who's weird al?
15:29.01Fiskeryour mother
15:29.23SunTsuKriLL3: You don't know "Weird" Al Yankovic?
15:29.30KriLL3nope
15:29.37SunTsubig mistake ;)
15:29.56KriLL3oh a comedian/song writer
15:29.58KriLL3never heard of him
15:30.00SunTsuKriLL3: just use youtube and search for him
15:30.11SunTsuKriLL3: does great parodies
15:30.19KriLL3what genre?
15:31.41KriLL3and indie artists aren't exactly the aloof type, don't last long if they are
15:31.42pentium166every genre, frequently with a polka style?
15:31.51SunTsuMostly music "Gangster's paradise" -> "Amish paradise"
15:32.03KriLL3polka? isn't that russian music set to people dancing weirdly?
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15:33.45Megalonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY-oili63QQ !
15:35.00KriLL3just gives me a headache
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15:35.44SunTsuKriLL3: Just listen to "Don't download this song"
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15:38.17olafskiI like "The Saga Begins"
15:38.24Megalonlong, long time ago
15:38.41Megalonwhite & nerdy is also nice
15:39.00Megalonand the text of 'Bob' is just
15:39.12KriLL3anyone else think druids get lower GS? seems that way, I got an average iLVL of 236 and I got 5060 gs, while other classes with similar gear get 5200+
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15:39.41olafskiask the people at wow-heroes :)
15:39.49Gnarfozif you think you can spark an ernest discussion of GS in here, your days are numbered
15:39.51olafskioh
15:39.54olafskiyou're using gearscore
15:39.58KriLL3no
15:40.00KriLL3I'm using gs lite
15:40.14Gnarfozwhatever that is. GS.
15:40.29Gnarfozalso Megalon: this video contains music from sony entertainment blah and is not available in your country anymore
15:40.30olafskigearscore/gslite, same thing :P
15:40.42KriLL3I'd never use it again if EG somehow collated all numbers and put it in tooltips
15:40.50KriLL3I don't care if it's gear only
15:41.08KriLL3average iLVL would be enough
15:41.21olafskiEG gives you avg ilvl doesn't it >_<
15:41.32MegalonGnarfoz: it's Polkarama from weird al
15:41.33olafskialbeit modified for item quality
15:41.36KriLL3yes but only after opening a big honking window and picking that char
15:41.40GnarfozMegalon: yay
15:41.41KriLL3much more convenient having a number in the tooltip
15:41.53KriLL3or several numbers perhaps
15:41.57olafskioO
15:41.58Gnarfozbig window? the group overview is quite small.
15:42.00KriLL3gear, experience
15:42.20Gnarfozor do you idle in Dalaran browsing around in GS/EG
15:42.23KriLL3fills 1/3 of my vertical and more than half of the horizontal, aka all of the middle
15:42.43Megaloninstalled EG today
15:42.46Megalonand just deleted it
15:42.48Gnarfozthat's not the group overview - I don't even know why the big window is in there :D
15:43.10KriLL3still the group overview is clunky compared to just having a number in the tooltip, can just mouse over em
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15:43.35KriLL3though admittedly GS provides a lot less information
15:44.13olafskithought I saw something in the EG commits about tooltips btw?
15:44.42KriLL3dunno, I got latest EG alpha and it doesn't affect tooltips
15:44.45olafskiI like the group overview.. don't have to hover people to see what they're like
15:45.02FiskerThe text when i search on google is much less than when i open the page :(
15:45.07Fiskerwtb fix please?
15:46.54pentium166file a ticket
15:49.57steevbleh, i sent a trasncriptor sv file before but i can't find it in my sent box
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15:50.33olafskiah, EG does something with item tooltips
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15:53.03KriLL3olafski: eh? don't see anything there
15:53.20KriLL3oh, when inspecting
15:53.25olafskiyou need to turn it on I think :P
15:53.38KriLL3it's when inspecting
15:53.56olafskimkay
15:53.57KriLL3small window bellow the main one with pass/fail on enchants, gems
15:54.04KriLL3per item
15:54.13olafskiwould be nice if it did it for your own items too
15:54.24KriLL3well /eg is faster
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15:54.49olafskitrue I guess :P
15:55.01KriLL3hmm I have no notes, guess I should ask my brother to supply some =P
15:55.11KriLL3or perhaps not, he can't spell what so ever
15:55.24KriLL3"rly god thank!"
15:56.04steevshould come with a spell checker imo
15:56.04olafskicare about notes really :P
15:56.15KriLL3olafski: true
15:56.25steevyou're entering notes after a run, there should be no reason to use shorthand
15:56.53steevthe instance isn't going to collapse on itself with you in there while you're taking the 2 extra seconds to type the word out
15:57.07KriLL3hmm, I'm running around dala and sure enough, people with roughly equal iLVL on their gear in EG have a lot higher GS than me except druids, guess GS discriminates against druids or something
15:57.31steevdruids suck
15:57.36KriLL3that's beside the point
15:57.46steevpoints at Shefki and laughs
15:57.58steevi've no idea really
15:58.05krkatrue, i am a druid and i suck :(
15:58.07steevapparently i'm like a 5600ish gs
15:58.12olafskiuntil notes become managed server side I won't look at them.. and that won't happen
15:58.24olafskiif someone bothers to enchant properly I think they usually have at least a clue about their class
15:58.39KriLL3olafski: how are notes handled? on the client rated?
15:58.49olafskiand shared with guild/friends I think
15:59.14steevi jumped in a random the other day
15:59.15KriLL3so I can enter the files somewhere and write 50 stellar reviews on myself?
15:59.21steevand ended up in a run with a guildie
15:59.35olafskiI doubt it
15:59.51olafskiI think other people will only accept notes written by the one sending them
16:00.21olafskihm I generally ask my guild first if they want to come :)
16:00.29steevi don't bother
16:00.35steevall 3 of my toons can tank
16:01.02steevand then i have 2 others (girlfriends) that can heal so...
16:01.12olafskiso you're in a guild but you don't prefer playing with them over randoms
16:01.15steevi can sit around going derp de derp
16:01.22steevolafski: correct
16:01.29steevLAPDOGS ALL OF THEM
16:01.37KriLL3olafski: if it's faster to just use the LFD tool I don't see the reason to stick with your guild
16:01.56olafskiinteresting approach to a guild
16:02.10olafskiit's faster for me too, but somehow it just seems social to help the dps in my guild out
16:02.15Gnarfoza lot of things he says or does don't make much sense to most of us in here, don't bother :D
16:02.16olafskinot like it takes more than 10 seconds
16:02.24steevolafski: the reasoning behind it is long and varied - i love my guild, but some of them are too f'n moody/bitchy/immature - good for doing 25s, but f hanging out with them for the most part
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16:02.29KriLL3guilds raid at specific times, don't see we should huddle like geese in heroics
16:02.42GnarfozI mean, he's running around in Dalaran trying to figure out if GearScore discriminates against his class :D
16:02.48olafskignarfoz: :D
16:03.12olafskisteev: ok, that makes sense.. so you really do prefer randoms :)
16:03.13KriLL3Gnarfoz: got nothing better to do, and it's puzzling why GS would have some kind of class multiplier
16:03.15steevolafski: the biggest reason is, for a long time, i was running everyone's alts (none of them had alts that could tank so my alts could run)
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16:03.27Gnarfoztwo ways to make sure nothing is wrong: know your class and check if you fucked up and missend an enchant or gem somewhere - otherwise: check the code?
16:03.30olafskiif it was just the queue time I wouldn't have accepted it as a reason ;p
16:03.31steevso when it came around to running my alts... i was on my own anyway
16:03.47Gnarfozs/missend/missed/
16:04.06KriLL3Gnarfoz: I don't know lua, can't check the code, and GS doesn't care about gems/enchs
16:04.26KriLL3just raw iLVL * slot
16:04.28Gnarfozlearn it, or stop bothering :D
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16:04.59olafskiyou don't know lua but you're in a channel that deals with creating wow addons :<
16:05.17KriLL3olafski: chat in here isn't about creating wow addons for the most part
16:05.49KriLL3I know assembly, but I guess you can't make addons with that...
16:06.15Gnarfoznot knowing is not a problem, not bothering to try to see if you can't figure it out regardless probably is :> (because... you have nothing better to do anyway, heh)
16:06.27Gnarfoz~seen astrylian
16:06.30purlastrylian <i=4b0ff310@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6e7611be7ce32772> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 412d 18h 42m 40s ago, saying: 'Rawr.'.
16:06.39Gnarfoz=(
16:06.58olafskikrill3: hm, I thought it was :P
16:07.48steevi'm not super familiar, but i can stumble through most of it
16:08.15olafskiwhat if I may ask, is Wowace about other than addon hosting? :< not trying to offend anyone but I thought that was all that they do :)
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16:08.42olafskiwhee I can queue for dire maul now :D
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16:12.17Axodiousanyone here an sbs domain admin by chance?
16:12.22Gnarfozolafski: curse does the hosting, wowace is "a community for and made of developers" or something.
16:12.45KriLL3and a set of frameworks/libraries
16:13.02KriLL3aiding in addon development
16:13.15Gnarfozthat's Ace, not wowace ;)
16:13.23KriLL3is there a difference?
16:13.35Gnarfozyes, since an Addon can't be a community.
16:13.44Gnarfoz:p
16:13.52KriLL3well there can be a community surrounding an addon
16:14.13Gnarfoz(and they're named differently, too. obviously the communit is named after, and formed around (originally, not today anymore) said addon.)
16:14.35olafskignarfoz: still, that community is around developing then.. it doesn't make much sense to me to be in it without developing.. then again you can hang around to suggest features ;)
16:14.49KriLL3Gnarfoz: you're saying wowace doesn't have any ties to ace
16:14.51KriLL3?
16:15.07KriLL3olafski: that's what I do, and whine about bugs
16:15.08olafskihe just said they are tied :P
16:15.08GnarfozI'm not
16:15.19KriLL3"originally, not today anymore"
16:15.27Gnarfozyes... did the community form today?
16:15.41Gnarfozno, it formed ages ago, when it was all about Ace ;)
16:15.53KriLL3that's a nonsensical statement
16:16.00Gnarfozabsolutely not.
16:16.11Gnarfozit formed when it formed and evolved from there
16:16.16Gnarfozit's not constantly forming anew :P
16:16.44Gnarfozalso, help, I broke Rawr
16:16.46Gnarfoz:(
16:17.05yoshimoshame on you gnarfoz ;)
16:17.25Gnarfozyoshimo: I added all possible FCFS rotations for a ret paladin
16:17.51Gnarfozit now takes ages (windows even starts saying "not responding") to change anything. :D
16:19.37olafskihm. 302 stacks of 20 thorium ore on the AH for the same price.. someone's been botting :<
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16:25.08KriLL3olafski: or simply playing the market
16:25.27KriLL3buy all of X, sell all of it again at a much higher price
16:25.51KriLL3buy any additional X that appears to ensure your pricing is the only one
16:26.00olafskicould be
16:26.08olafskibut then why put up 302 stacks?
16:26.16olafskiI'd put up 5 stacks to make it appear the item is not common
16:26.23KriLL3dunno
16:26.41KriLL3could try reporting it to a GM, sounds fishy
16:26.44nevcairielbecause thorium ore is quite common :P
16:26.59nevcairielmaybe someone found a long lost bank alt
16:27.03olafskisure is but if you're trying something like that I'd still not put 302 stacks up
16:27.14olafskihow many slots does a bank usually have?
16:27.22nevcairielwhy did you bother to count it? :P
16:27.33olafskithey're all on short duration too.. that person is going to have some fun opening their mail
16:27.38olafskinevcairiel: auctionator does that for me..
16:28.28KriLL3olafski: 160 slots bank 96~ inventory
16:28.43KriLL3total 256
16:28.47KriLL3that's 20 slot bags
16:28.53KriLL3more if you got 22/24 ofc
16:28.53olafskiso that would have to be at least 2 long lost bank alts :P
16:29.12Gnarfozguild bank :O
16:29.14olafskiand if they're really long lost, I think ore only stacked to 10 ,)
16:29.15KriLL3guild bank also
16:29.18olafskihm that could work :P
16:29.38KriLL3though ofc it's dicy having stuff in guild bank if you're not guild leader isn't it?
16:29.42nevcairielthorium is from before guild banks were around, though
16:29.46olafskireported them anyhow.. I don't like cheaters, and if it wasn't a cheater I'm sure blizzard won't take action :)
16:29.49KriLL3or does it stay around even if the guild is disbanded?
16:29.59Gnarfozsure, but before guild banks, people used mailbox banks. :D
16:29.59olafskidisband = bank gone
16:30.05KriLL3olafski: yay
16:30.15nevcairielKriLL3: many people form a guild out of their two alts for the bank
16:30.17Gnarfozactually, gbank content gets mailed to gleader on disband
16:30.21KriLL3Gnarfoz: yep, my old vanilla guild had a guy just keeping it in mails
16:30.35olafskioh.. didn't know that gnarfoz :)
16:30.42Gnarfoz(not sure why I know that or think to know that ;D)
16:30.50nevcairielGMs did contact you if you abused the mail system for that and asked you to remove stuff from it, fwiw
16:30.54KriLL3said guy wasn't guild leader btw, and when the guild leaders dizzed him he left with the entire gbank =P
16:31.02Gnarfoznevcairiel: what oO never had that happen
16:31.03olafskinevcairiel: really? I did it all the time in vanilla :<
16:31.09KriLL3he was one of the richest guys on the server after that
16:31.18KriLL3nevcairiel: not in vanilla
16:31.19nevcairielwell apparently you really had to have lots of stuff in it
16:31.19olafski,)
16:31.21KriLL3they might now
16:31.21Gnarfozyeah, I used that quite a lot, and I know people who used it even more
16:31.28nevcairielfar over the display point
16:31.43KriLL3that guild bank was like 200+ items
16:31.51Gnarfozmeh @ neither armory nor wowhead upgrade scan in Rawr giving me the ilvl 277 Ashen Verdict ring :(
16:31.51olafskiheh the banker of my guild has like 700k gold now
16:31.51KriLL3and that was the norm back then
16:31.55olafskinote banker, not bank :P
16:32.10KriLL3olafski: heh, hope he remains on friendly terms
16:32.19KriLL3"all mine, MINE!"
16:32.20olafskiyer we're friendly.. he left for another guild tho
16:32.28olafskiit actually _is_ his gold :P
16:32.32nevcairielhaving that much gold is just complicated, need to split it among multiple chars
16:32.34KriLL3errm k
16:32.41olafskiyep it's split among 3 chars I think
16:32.44KriLL3what's the cap? forgotten
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16:32.50nevcairielint32 :P
16:32.50Gnarfozor you store it in your own guild bank :>
16:32.54Gnarfoz2^32-1
16:33.01Gnarfoz(in copper)
16:33.09olafskithat works I guess yeah gnarfoz :)
16:33.11nevcairiellua> 2^32-1 / 100 / 100
16:33.12lua_botnevcairiel: 4294967295.9999
16:33.14nevcairieler
16:33.14Gnarfozerr...
16:33.15nevcairielsigned
16:33.16Gnarfoz2^31-1
16:33.17Gnarfoz^^
16:33.18nevcairiellua> 2^31-1 / 100 / 100
16:33.19lua_botnevcairiel: 2147483647.9999
16:33.21KriLL3429k gold?
16:33.26Gnarfoz214k
16:33.47olafski215k
16:33.48olafski;)
16:33.53KriLL3he should lend me some, want that bloody dala ring
16:33.59olafskiso make some money
16:34.01olafskiit's not that hard
16:34.06olafskithink I make about 400g a day
16:34.18KriLL3I do also if I do 25 dailies, cba though
16:34.19olafskijust by logging in, transmuting and logging off
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16:35.01olafskiI've recently started doing daily heroics on my paladin to get saronite for the auction house though
16:35.04olafskithat's going to help a bit ;)
16:35.26KriLL3you're full T10?
16:35.41olafskino
16:35.45olafskino T10 at all :)
16:35.59KriLL3I'll get gear for frost before I buy anything else
16:36.00steevi can't make money like i used to :(
16:36.00olafskiI have that trinket from frost emblems on my main
16:36.11steevre-doing argent tourney dailies is annoying as fuck
16:36.13KriLL3got cloak and shoulders
16:36.14olafskinot gonna bother buying items with frost emblems on my paladin though
16:36.15Grumi wonder why people dont just get t10 first =)
16:36.31KriLL3Grum: guessing his pala is an alt
16:36.32SunTsusteev: yeah, over-did that
16:36.37olafskigrum: trinket was a bigger upgrade, and my paladin is an alt yeh
16:36.44steevGrum: personally, i got the cloak after 2p t10 because i was still using 219 cloak
16:36.45Grumyeah but raiders :)
16:37.01steevkept losing the winding sheet or whatever its called
16:37.04olafskiah.. I don't really like raiding
16:37.13olafskijoined a "raiding" guild a few days ago though, so maybe I'll do a couple of raids
16:37.59KriLL3I'd like to join one, haven't found any decent ones recruiting though
16:38.11olafskimy gf and me just joined a huge guild
16:38.15GrumKriLL3: trivial to find depending on your level?
16:38.24KriLL3Grum: huh?
16:38.24olafskishe's never healed in raids before and wanted some xp in a guild that won't care much if she messes up :P
16:38.37Grumfinding a raiding guild is like 15 minutes work nowadays
16:38.46olafskia decent one is a bit harder :P
16:38.51Grumok .. 30 and 1 hour for the application
16:38.52Grumnot really
16:38.54KriLL3Grum: weirdly I don't believe you
16:38.58Grumwowprogress ftw
16:39.01olafskiI'd like a guild filled with good people that isn't filled with elitist idiots
16:39.12olafskioh sure, we're going with just stats.. then I guess it's easy
16:39.14steevthats our guild!
16:39.41olafskicool steev ;)
16:39.41Grumwhat else would you base your initial seach on?
16:39.50steevbut we're only recruiting warriors (dps iirc), and warlocks at the moment :/
16:39.51GrumWoR has a nice ui to see if your raid-times match up
16:40.02Grumand if your class is needed
16:40.13olafskiI know the progress of guilds on my server without checking websites.. but all of the top end raiding guilds have such a bad attitude that I don't even want to pug heroics with them :P
16:40.14Grumthen just look at what progression you want and apply :D
16:40.27steevi really really miss having a warrior tank in our raids :/
16:40.29Grumolafski: its completely different when you are in them tbh
16:40.35Grumthere are always 3-4 bad apples
16:40.38steevi'm also getting sick of dk's always being stuck on interrupt duty
16:40.48olafskiI've been in a good raiding guild in vanilla and they were nice
16:40.50Grumsteev: instead of what?
16:41.03steevGrum: rogues, mages, shaman?
16:41.11Grumyeah but which do you have in the group? :D
16:41.15Grumonly shaman really counts tbh
16:41.17steev...
16:41.20steevall of the above?
16:41.23Grumrogue needs energy just like you need runepower
16:41.30Grummages have a 30s cooldown so that is just .. lol :P
16:41.36steev24
16:42.09steevsimply stated, it makes the most sense for shaman to be on interrupts
16:42.11Grumstill too long :D
16:42.13steevin practice...
16:42.16Grumyeah indeed
16:42.23Grum6s, off cooldown and only uses mana
16:42.36steevi've not bothered to even attempt interrupts lately :D
16:42.37Grumor 8s .. whatever ;D
16:43.29steevhttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/zs99d72t6bupt69o/ when wafflehouse is in the raid, it looks like that for the interrupts list
16:43.34KriLL3doesn't DKs have the best interrupt anyway?
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16:43.39Grumno
16:43.41Grumshamans
16:43.41steevKriLL3: no.
16:43.46steev10 seconds on ours
16:43.49KriLL3earth shock?
16:43.51Grumand 20 runepower?
16:43.53steevwind shear
16:44.00Grumdoesnt put shocks on cooldown anymore
16:44.02steevwhich isn't on the same cooldown as their shocks
16:44.06KriLL3DKs get enough runepower anyway
16:44.12steev...
16:44.14Grum20 runepower is just insane
16:44.19Grumthey dont?
16:44.27steev10 second cooldown+20 rp, versus 6 second cooldown
16:44.44Grumif you say DKs get enough then rogues must be having WAY more than enough energy
16:45.04steevthere's a reason why you see people saying "lf shaman for less-rabi pst" not "lf dk for less-rabi pst"
16:45.15KriLL3well rogues need energy to make attacks, DKs don't need runepower for most of their attacks
16:45.41steevKriLL3: depends on where we are in our rotation
16:45.52KriLL3is wind shear new? don't think I've seen it before
16:46.09steevfor certain definitions of new
16:46.32steevwasn't in wotlk release iir
16:46.40Gnarfozit was
16:46.43Gnarfozit was called Wind Shock
16:46.46KriLL3comments on wowhead from 2.4 about it
16:46.55KriLL3is it talented?
16:46.57Gnarfozno
16:47.04steevwind shock was a threat reducer
16:47.07Gnarfozgot renamed, removed from GCD and removed from the shock cd
16:47.14KriLL3weird, met a lot of shamans in pvp and they don't use it to interrupt my healing
16:47.15Gnarfozsteev: and it had the interrupt attached to it ;)
16:47.25KriLL3steev: it still is according to wowhead
16:47.28steevGnarfoz: true
16:47.33Gnarfozthey moved the interrupt, the +aggro etc around quite a lot for a time :D
16:48.00steeveither way, when wafflehouse is in the raid, we can count on him to interrupt almost all things
16:48.01KriLL3why don't pvp shamans use it?
16:48.04pentium166it was an interrupt/aggro drop at 3.0, some point later they renamed it from wind shock to wind shear and took it off the shock cooldown
16:48.07pentium166they do
16:48.09steevKriLL3: damage > interrupts
16:48.10pentium166if they're paying attention
16:48.32steevi pvped for the first time in a long time last night
16:48.36steevin wintergrasp
16:48.47steevi wish there was a way to track just killing blows
16:48.51pentium166and it's not a damage > interrupts thing because it's off the GCD
16:48.51KriLL3I completely trounce shamans, except resto ones, guess that's why
16:49.03pentium166for enhancement you can use it whenever you feel like
16:49.21steevpentium166: i always forget its off the gcd
16:49.36KriLL3just me or is feral vs shaman an unfair fight?
16:49.46olafskifrostshooooooock
16:51.38KriLL3ench with wolves is the only one I don't outright murder, but shifting to bear, zerking and mangle spamming shaman + wolves solves that
16:54.44Gnarfozenchanter != enhancer
16:54.53KriLL3doesn't an enchanter enhance? =P
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16:58.41KriLL3bah, blizz really needs to find some fix for the lag caused by a million people idling in dalaran/org/if
16:59.02KriLL3make people that's been static for 5mins~ invisible perhaps?
16:59.30steevpeople that are /afk or /dnd need to be
16:59.51KriLL3though I guess that would just help FPS, the actual lag wouldn't be any different
17:00.05pentium1664 inns and 3 banks was not enough :|
17:00.08durcynnot like it's even a new concept, dikumud had idle people "disappear into the void" so they didn't clutter room looks
17:00.28durcynand less rendering would help more than you think, KriLL3
17:00.46KriLL3yes but wouldn't the actual lag, like mounting taking 6+ seconds still remain?
17:00.58durcynseeing as the server has to actually waste bandwidth telling you about those 37,000 people your client is supposed to be showing you
17:01.08KriLL3true
17:01.27durcynbasically blizzard has learned nothing from ccp
17:01.29KriLL3guess doing an actual alliance/horde split would help
17:01.43KriLL3durcyn: EvE is boring, horribly boring =P
17:02.02pentium166why do people bring that up every time someone mentions some other aspect of the game
17:02.06durcynyes, but a single shard system with that kind of population makes wow look childish
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17:02.29pentium166single shard, but each system is on its own world server basically
17:02.33durcyngranted, you don't have the "warp" bit to hide the node transitions behind
17:02.34pentium166star system
17:02.52durcynbut there's got to be some way to throw more hardware at dalaran
17:03.08KriLL3durcyn: by instancing parts of it?
17:03.12pentium166ugh
17:03.15KriLL3wouldn't that require load times?
17:03.22durcynnot with long-ass instance transitions, that's counterproductive
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17:03.43KriLL3not sure how you'd accomplish it
17:04.05durcynthe server code's probably total spaghetti gobshite too
17:04.06KriLL3perhaps if it had actual floors or zones you could "instance"
17:04.15pentium166i think it's hard to accomplish in a small place like dalaran when you essentially have to render the entire city because of flying mounts
17:04.28KriLL3durcyn: bah, it only randomly bugs quest 50% of the time on some quests...
17:04.46KriLL3pentium166: true, though perhaps once you're ground level it would do it
17:05.15KriLL3a lot of other towns like org and silvermoon got really noticeable segments with walls you can't see through
17:06.50pentium166being able to fly over those cities in cataclysm would be neat, but probably not very friendly for performance
17:06.57KriLL3yeah
17:07.02pentium166I wonder if we'll actually be able to fly in them
17:07.13KriLL3not sure
17:07.16KriLL3might be like dala
17:07.20KriLL3you can't fly close
17:08.16pentium166it would be pretty funny if you couldn't fly into thunder bluff
17:08.22KriLL3yeah
17:08.39KriLL3well I bet you can fly into all of them, though you're sent down with a parachute if you get too low
17:08.43KriLL3same as dala
17:08.59KriLL3I wonder though how they'll re-do the towns that are clearly hackjobs
17:09.05KriLL3SW is a prime example
17:09.09AdremmaI'm more curious how flight over cities will interact with city raids
17:09.14pentium166They're more spread out than Dalaran though, so hopefully they'll work like Shattrath
17:09.28pentium166SW and Orgrimmar are both really hacky
17:09.34pentium166Probably Silvermoon too
17:09.39KriLL3it's a square cave with a sky painted ceiling, and the castle is a wall painting
17:10.12KriLL3yeah silvermoon is very hacky, though I bet it would be easy to fix it, just add actual buildings on top/around
17:10.36KriLL3SW I don't see any good solutions for, the castle is just a tunnel with a painting above, it should have real towers, ramparts etc
17:10.57KriLL3and the harbor doesn't really work since elwynn doesn't have any coast
17:11.40ShadowedTHE HEAVENS HAVE OPENED UP
17:11.42ShadowedREPENT YE SINNERS
17:11.52KriLL3sure, sure
17:12.46KriLL3Shadowed: any plans on making the EG UI smaller? or adding a much smaller alternative dps meter/recount style?
17:12.59Shadowedonce I pull a UI out of my ass
17:13.00Shadowedyes
17:13.04KriLL3heh
17:13.14KriLL3the current "UI" is just a spreadsheet of lulz?
17:13.27Shadowedthe current UI is the UI chosen because it showed the most information
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17:13.39ShadowedIt's no going to show a meter/recount style
17:13.44KriLL3well you could still show as much information in a much more compact format
17:14.01KriLL3not what I meant, I referrered to the size
17:14.22KriLL3tabs for the members of the party and tabs for their gear, experience, notes etc perhaps?
17:14.39KriLL3same information but not all displayed at once
17:15.17KriLL3and small icons next to items with their enchant/gem instead of having to hover em all to look at tooltip perhaps?
17:15.25KriLL3like a green check mark
17:15.55KriLL3O8 O = item 8 2x check marks / crosses
17:16.09ShadowedThat's not likely going to happen
17:16.23ShadowedSummaries aren't going to be changed from what they are
17:16.29ShadowedI'll see when I get to the point where I want to redo the user info page
17:16.58KriLL3user info is different from group summary? huh didn't know that
17:17.17ShadowedDid you not use /eg summary?
17:17.29KriLL3I just use /eg
17:17.36Shadowed.... that would explain a lot
17:17.38KriLL3didn't know there were an alternative
17:17.57ShadowedYes it points this out in the configuration, /eg help and the description :p
17:18.54KriLL3ah
17:19.02KriLL3just 20mins queue to get in again and try that
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17:19.07KriLL3<3 you blizz
17:19.15olafski<    KriLL3> make people that's been static for 5mins~ invisible perhaps? <-- they actually did say that they want towns to feel populated ,)
17:19.39KriLL3by people standing still?
17:19.47olafskisure
17:19.54KriLL3the ones moving are enough to make it feel populated, or set it to some number
17:20.05KriLL3everyone = makes it feel like tokyo
17:20.13KriLL3a sea of people
17:20.21GagorianTbh don't even make logged out people disappear
17:20.23Megalontokyo subway!
17:20.25GagorianTHat would be awesome!
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17:20.49KriLL3Megalon: heh, they got people there hired to squash people in to close the doors
17:21.08KriLL3they literally treat you like sardines
17:21.20olafskiQ. Do you still have plans to implement guild housing?
17:21.21olafskiA. Guild housing isn't a priority. Aside from the huge development involved it gets people out of cities and into these private areas other players can't see. We like cities to feel populated. But I'm not sure anyone expected WoW to be going as strong as it is after five years, so who knows in the future.
17:21.52KriLL3imo they should have some limit, make it feel populated sure but not overcrowded
17:22.04KriLL3and dala on my server is crowded
17:22.35olafskimine too.. but I don't mind it
17:22.40olafskishattrath feels horribly cold :P
17:22.48KriLL3I mind when it takes 10s to mount
17:22.59KriLL3yeah shattrath feels really cold
17:23.08KriLL3like desolance
17:23.31olafskidesolace* :P
17:23.44KriLL3...
17:23.48KriLL3does the spelling matter?
17:24.44durcynyes. saying "desolance" three times summons the spelling demon.
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17:24.54durcynand from there, a thousand years of typos and apocalypse.
17:25.03KriLL3is he a cousin of the grammar nazi?
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17:27.29ShadowedKriLL3: There's a screenshot on WoWI and the projects page of the summary :p
17:28.30KriLL3ah
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17:29.52olafskispelling doesn't matter _too_ much
17:29.56olafskithis one is excusable
17:30.06olafskibut ench instead of enh is almost as bad as rouge instead of rogue
17:30.14asmodaiyes
17:30.15KriLL3I can't spell old/weird zones
17:30.19asmodaiIt is.
17:30.30olafskioO
17:30.32[Ammo]rouge fits nicely on nightelf rogues
17:30.35KriLL3I don't have a shaman =P
17:30.36[Ammo]prancing around with their daggers
17:30.39olafskilfg bracklock dptehs!
17:30.44asmodaiain't enchantment as a shaman
17:30.55olafskime neither.. my shaman is enhancement specced though
17:36.09KriLL3you need enhancement to please the ladies?
17:37.26asmodaiCialis 3/3
17:37.29asmodaiViagra 5/5
17:38.13Ackisasmodai: use them both = 10/5 + doctors visit
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17:41.32arkanes_I'm sure theres a "chance on hit" joke in htere somewhere but I can't find it
17:42.13KriLL3I don't fancy the idea of messing with my Cardiovascular system, especially when I don't need to  
17:42.39KriLL3and I can't see it being a good idea for older men, whom it's mostly aimed at
17:43.05KriLL3old men with weak hearts on viagra, can't imagine that's a good combination
17:43.10KriLL3though I guess they die happy
17:43.40arkanes_just more proof, if you needed any, that dirty old men rule the world
17:44.04KriLL3because someone is trying to kill em?
17:44.35arkanes_because if theres one thing a old guy with lots of hot interns to molest hates, its not being able to slap them with his boner
17:44.44arkanes_so voila, boner pills for old guys
17:45.34arkanes_if you really want to get into conspiracy theories - viagra and similar work on women, too, but the FDA won't approve that usage
17:45.35nicoli_sarkanes, im not sure thats what you do with yer boner
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17:46.48Megalonslap them bitches good
17:47.37nicoli_slol
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17:56.46rbarreirosis there a document somewhere about how to make a new encounter for DXE ?
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18:09.41chiperwondering if someone can identify an addon for me.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgmghcLRW5k&feature=player_embedded#at=71
18:09.49chiperprogress bar near the center of the screen
18:09.59chiperappears to be counting down trinket procs?
18:10.15nevcairielThis video contains content from Sony Music Entertainment. It is no longer available in your country.
18:10.17nevcairiel:P
18:10.24chiperwow
18:10.37steevchiper: the disease timers?
18:10.38olafskiI don't see a progress bar with trinkets
18:10.42olafskiI see two bars with disease ticks
18:10.50chiperah, its diseases, ok
18:11.06chiperstill curious what it is
18:11.42rbarreirosthe small runes with the numbers (timer of the rune cooldown) seem like runewatch
18:11.56rbarreirosdunno if runewatch added those progress bars in the meanwhile
18:12.29Pneumatuscould be tellmewhen
18:12.31steevi use need to know for disease timers myself
18:12.36rbarreirosnah doesn't seem to be runewatch
18:12.41olafskitellmewhen doesn't do those progress bars
18:12.49Gnarfozit's EventHorizon, btw, chiper
18:12.55Pneumatusoh, i thought you meant the icon in the middle below the runes
18:13.02olafskithat could be tellmewhen ,)
18:13.05chiperaha, ty gnarfoz
18:13.06olafskigreat addon :>
18:13.28AeyanYeah, I thought it looked like EventHorizon to me
18:13.32chiperdoes it work for all class dots then?
18:13.42AeyanI believe so
18:13.44rbarreiroshmm eventhorizon doesn't track only your cooldowns ?
18:13.52Gnarfozit tracks many things ^^
18:14.18chiperoh bother.  "There's no options GUI, and there won't be"
18:15.07rbarreirosany parser for transcriptor into a more friendly format to digest boss abilities etc ?
18:16.23chiperand it appears the addon is no longer being developed
18:16.26chiperwell that's just prime
18:16.32rbarreirossecond hard question tonight no one has an answer :(
18:16.42rbarreirosneither google has
18:16.52Aeyanchiper: http://tinyurl.com/ydjarow
18:17.06Pneumatusthey have internal tools, afaik
18:17.08chiperaha, excellent.  google failed me
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18:17.57rbarreirosPneumatus, they ?
18:18.07Pneumatusbigwigs devs
18:18.10Pneumatusi dont want to ping them :P
18:18.13rbarreirosmeh
18:18.15AeyanYou know, them
18:18.19AeyanThey're bastards.
18:18.30Funkeh`unfortunately
18:18.34[Ammo]we don't have internal tools
18:18.36rbarreirosI'm really not into make my own parser :(
18:18.36Funkeh`the word bigwigs is my ping
18:18.37[Ammo]we have texteditors
18:18.43[Ammo]and brains
18:18.47[Ammo]brraaaiiinnnsss
18:18.51nevcairielseriously, getting information out of transcriptor logs isnt that hard
18:18.58rbarreiroswell it wouldn't be too hard to make a parser to tell you estimate abilities times and cooldowns
18:19.02nevcairielyou just need to know what abilities you look for
18:19.04nevcairieland all is good
18:19.15Pneumatusif you ignore CLEU, the rest of the sections are generally pretty concise anyway
18:20.01[Ammo]a transcriptor log is one thing
18:20.02Mikkhappily ignores CLUE too
18:20.06[Ammo]you need the story behind it as well
18:20.27[Ammo]that is for completely new fights
18:20.39nevcairielyeah, at least someone that tells you about the fight, preferably a vid or having expierenced it yourself =P
18:21.32Mikkcasts Big Fucking Smash of Ultra-Violence on nevcairiel
18:21.41yoshimobrains, ammo, where can you buy them? ;)
18:21.45MikkNow, did nevc run out of range, or stand in fire?
18:21.46[Ammo]buy buy?
18:21.54[Ammo]cracks Mikk's skull open and gnaws some
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18:22.11Mikkwatches [Ammo] go dumber
18:22.14rbarreirostime to get home
18:22.14nevcairiellol
18:22.16rbarreiroso/
18:22.22[Ammo]hehe too much for rbarreiros
18:22.27rbarreiros:)
18:22.28[Ammo]he's running scared
18:22.32rbarreirosraid time soon hehehe
18:22.36rbarreiroslaters fellas
18:23.22[Ammo]need to finish my warlock rotation addon
18:23.31[Ammo]damn having to watch all those timers sucks
18:23.53nevcairielarent there alot of rotation addons around that just need data what to cast when?
18:23.56[Ammo]but...I doubt the name of the addon will land well :p
18:24.02[Ammo]yeah but they all suck
18:24.12nevcairielwhats the name? :D
18:24.12[Ammo]at least they don't fit my needs
18:24.15[Ammo]Wupah!
18:24.21[Ammo]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wupah!
18:24.50nevcairiellol
18:25.07[Ammo]saw all those addons like faceroller, facesmasher etc
18:25.17[Ammo]and thought I'd do something different :p
18:25.32nevcairielso you went with cockslap and put it through a profanity filter? :P
18:25.50[Ammo]yeah
18:26.39nevcairielI wish i had more time to work on addon stuff
18:26.48nevcairielbut 6 weeks left to complete my thesis
18:27.13[Ammo]I wish I culd raid again on wednesdays
18:27.15Repo10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r262 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua:
18:27.17RepoAutomated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system
18:27.27[Ammo]but my sport buddy is back from tenerife
18:27.30Repo10libbabble-inventory-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r101 LibBabble-Inventory-3.0.lua:
18:27.32RepoAutomated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system
18:27.37[Ammo]so I have sports again on wednesday evening
18:27.55nevcairielwtf changes in Inventory, that thing hasnt seen new phrases for years o.O
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18:28.24[Ammo]asian translation war?
18:29.33nevcairiellast change before that was in september
18:29.36[Ammo]or does the translation tool have no easy log?
18:29.37nevcairielhehe
18:29.50nevcairielthere is a log
18:30.37nevcairieli usually just look at the svn diffs so that no-one is destructive on the data
18:31.53alterechohey is there any whom i can ask about omen3 ?
18:32.01nevcairiel~asktoask
18:32.35purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
18:32.35alterechook i read everything about on curse
18:32.35alterechobut it never show anything on any raid
18:32.35nevcairielwtf is with purl
18:32.36asmodaislaps purl
18:32.39nevcairielthere it is!
18:32.49KriLL3slow purl is slow
18:32.53nevcairielalterecho: did it show anywhere at all?
18:33.03alterechoobviously i'm doing somthing wrong but i dk what
18:33.14alterechono
18:33.18alterechonothing ever
18:33.23alterechojust on test mode
18:33.36nevcairielah, so you could access the options?
18:33.57alterechoyeah i can see comfig page
18:34.01alterecho*config
18:35.21nevcairielwhat does it say on the "show when.." page in the config?
18:35.51asmodaiheh, google searches for firefox addons now list their rating in the results
18:36.43alterechomost the options are on
18:36.47alterechoexcept
18:36.57alterechoyou are alone/combat
18:37.27nevcairielwhen you turn alone on, does it show up?
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18:38.27Pneumatustry resetting your profile
18:38.30Pneumatusworked for me in the past
18:39.09nevcairielyou should also be able to click the minimap icon to toggle it on/off, iirc
18:39.17alterechoyeah
18:39.22alterechoi can do it
18:39.35alterechoi mean i dont have problenlem toggling it
18:39.58alterechojust i cant get any threat info on any raids
18:40.16alterechoi just see name of the boss on title thats it
18:40.33nevcairielhm
18:40.36nevcairielthats weird
18:40.44nevcairielyou are on a 3.x server, yes? :P
18:41.36alterechoyeah
18:41.41alterecho3.2.2.a
18:42.45alterechoso can you recomend any other therat meter then :/
18:42.48nevcairielIs that an official blizzard server? :d
18:43.29nevcairielthe only reason it wouldnt be working would be that the server isnt sending the threat events
18:43.36nevcairielwhich the official servers do ;)
18:44.06alterechooh got in now
18:44.12alterechothank you for your help
18:44.33alterechoi'll look for some other meter then works on private servers
18:44.48alterechothank you again for your attention
18:44.55nevcairielnone will work, they all use the same source of data :P
18:45.28alterechooh so i have to watch my ass manually :D
18:45.33steevyep
18:45.34KriLL3doesn't very old ones calculate the treat from dmg done by different attacks etc? though those are all very outdated
18:45.38Ackisor stop being a cheap bastard
18:45.50nevcairielKriLL3: but abilities changed alot since then
18:45.54KriLL3and most likely out of date, missing all new attacks etc
18:45.56KriLL3yeah
18:46.54alterechoits not about being cheap friend. its about saving time
18:47.00alterechothank you all
18:47.28nevcairieltime is money, so if i save money, i save the time earning it, hence, cheap :P
18:48.04alterechoi just dont have much time to play on retail
18:48.08alterechoit takes more effort
18:48.21alterechoi can play 1 hour top in a day
18:48.33alterechoit takes ages to lvl and get some decent gear on retail
18:49.40alterechobye all
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18:55.40KriLL3but you also feel some kind of achievement when you do get that gear...
18:55.55KriLL3if you can get the best gear in the game without trying, what's the point?
18:56.21arkanes_KriLL3: he's gone
18:56.27KriLL3I know
18:59.55harlis there a way to remove or silence the "spell not ready" sound i'm hearing when trying to cast a spell while it's on gcd or while i'm moving?
19:00.55harl(other than disabling all "sounds")
19:01.13KriLL3harl: error speech
19:01.24Pneumatus^^
19:01.33harlthat's not what i'm referring to
19:01.55KriLL3you mean the sound effect?
19:02.04harli do
19:02.08KriLL3then I don't know
19:02.33arkanes_there's no "spell not ready" sound effect
19:02.34KriLL3personally I like it, I keep spamming some buttons until I don't hear it again
19:02.44arkanes_at least I don't have one
19:02.55KriLL3I got a mellow sounding beep
19:03.05arkanes_do yuo have error speech turned off?
19:03.10KriLL3yeah
19:03.14arkanes_maybe it does that instead
19:03.15harlof course i do
19:03.22KriLL3possible it's CDT
19:03.23arkanes_I have error speech on
19:03.35KriLL3or similar
19:03.38arkanes_but I certainly do not have a spell not ready sound that isn't the speech
19:04.02harlit actually plays both, sound and speech if you enable error speech
19:04.39KriLL3another sound for out of range
19:05.11arkanes_huh
19:05.20arkanes_I have no idea where those sounds are coming from for you, I do not have them
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19:12.11Repo10pass-loot: 03Odlaw * r104 / (4 files in 1 directory):  (Message trimmed by 3 lines)
19:12.14Repo- Going back to checkboxes instead of coin icons.
19:12.15Repo- Rolling order tried will be Need > DE > Greed > Pass.
19:12.16RepoNeed + Pass will try Need > Pass
19:12.18RepoNeed + Greed + Pass will try Need > Greed > Pass
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19:24.50asmodai@project sexycooldown
19:24.51Repoasmodai: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexycooldown/. SexyCooldown. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 9 days ago. Tickets: 19/24
19:27.21Pneumatus@project uglycooldown
19:27.22RepoPneumatus: No project found that matches 'uglycooldown'
19:28.17steevimo, if you leave the group as soon as you load into the instance, you should lose a shot at 2 frost emblems
19:29.19arkanes_steev: and you should get the 15minute debuff if you're AFK for a queue pop
19:29.30Pneumatusyou do, afaik
19:29.57arkanes_not unless they added it on tuesday
19:30.03arkanes_not sure if they could without a client patch?
19:30.23arkanes_eh I dont see why not
19:32.58CrazyBennyI think what he ment is you shouldnt be able to recieve the frost emblems for the day
19:35.38arkanes_thats what steev meant
19:35.47arkanes_my complaint was related but not identical :)
19:39.21Pneumatusthere should be a way to disable altoholic notification popups in a raid :<
19:39.38Pneumatusespecially mid-combat
19:40.26arkanes_someone needs to design a growl-style notification library
19:40.31arkanes_and then addons need to start using it
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19:48.59asmodaiWell, just got to witness Horde take out Tyrande and Velen
19:49.25asmodaiThat's the sucky thing about a PvE server, even if you warn of an incoming attack, no one will drop their idling in IF or Dalaran
19:49.44arkanes_theres no real reason to
19:49.49arkanes_even on a PVP server, really
19:50.19arkanes_except of course PVP servers are populated entirly by people who are soley motivated by teabagging
19:50.23asmodaiThus proving that PvP is a laugh in WoW if you cannot even take the bother to protect your home cities :P
19:50.57asmodaiSo I laugh at Blizzard and their 'bring the war back in warcraft' for Cataclysm. PvP is a joke, plain and simple. :)
19:51.06arkanes_if there was some sort of penalty or loss for having your faction leaders killed, then people would care
19:51.17arkanes_but it's all about costs and benefits
19:51.42asmodaiHonour and glory! :P
19:51.49arkanes_maybe you want to be on an RP-PVP server instead
19:51.55asmodaiHahaha
19:52.01arkanes_:P
19:52.08asmodaiNah, if I want real PvP I'll go play Warhammer or something like that.
19:52.17asmodaiWhere it's a core design, not some tacked on travesty
19:52.20arkanes_there's nothing more "real" about invading a world city
19:52.27arkanes_than, say, doing a battleground
19:52.37arkanes_there's no game mechanics that are designed to make you care about PVP in your city
19:52.48arkanes_that's not a joke or a travesty, it's a design decision
19:52.49asmodai*nod*
19:52.57asmodaiBad one if you ask me.
19:53.00arkanes_sure
19:53.08asmodaiThey should never have put it in
19:53.26arkanes_look at all those popular, hugely successful PVP oriented games that are designed to make you care about that sort of thing
19:53.33arkanes_putting wow right out of business, they are
19:54.25arkanes_I tease, but only a little bit
19:54.29asmodaiI never said anything about that or being a wow killer so don't put words in my mouth on that front. :P
19:54.39arkanes_as a whole, people like compartmentalized PVP
19:55.22arkanes_the people who don't are a relatively small fraction of the player base and they're also disproportionatly the kind of players you don't want
19:55.31arkanes_griefers and so on
19:56.36arkanes_yelling about an invasion in dal will usually get you at least a few people who want their city defender achieve though
19:57.12asmodaiI used Trade but to no effect :(
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20:09.53steevwith the newest changes to wow
20:10.12steevcan you tell if a mob you're in combat with is a boss?
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20:10.53steevmy pet was on passive almost throughout ICC last night cuz i was gonna try something on marrowgar and forgot :/
20:10.55nevcairielonly if UnitClassification reports "worldboss"
20:11.08nevcairielwhich is only raid bosses, and not even all of them
20:11.19steevhttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/zs99d72t6bupt69o/sum/damageDone/?s=8119&e=8384 click show pets if it isn't, then click my triangle heh
20:11.29nevcairielsome are bugged, like deathwhisper, she only reports as elite :P
20:12.05steevinteresting
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20:14.51yoshimoshe is really easy so elite is correct^^
20:18.01pentium166her full house achievement was a pain in the ass
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20:22.05arkanes_theres a libbossid
20:22.08arkanes_or somethign similar
20:22.55Repo10libbossids-1-0: 03ckknight * r38 LibBossIDs-1.0.lua:
20:22.57RepoAdd Rethilgore (of SFK) and remove Arugal's Voidwalker, since those 4 spawns really aren't bosses.
20:23.15arkanes_how convenient!
20:23.23ckknightwhat's all this, then?
20:24.50steevwth
20:24.58steevwhat happened to the pending page for pct?
20:25.06arkanes_steev: in a similar vein, we had our hunters wolf pull blood princes about 10 seconds after entering the room last nigjht
20:25.11asmodainevcairiel: sneaky you, when did that totem bar get fixed? :)
20:25.16steevarkanes_: nice
20:25.24steevat least it doesn't waste any attempts :)
20:26.29asmodaiAntiarc: oh dude
20:33.07Fiskerhey ckknight
20:33.14ckknighthowdy, Fisker, how are you?
20:33.15Fiskerone day, libmobids
20:33.19Fiskerone day..
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20:33.35nicoli_sitd be too big
20:33.38ckknightthat would be pointless.
20:33.43ckknightactually, I can do it
20:34.11genetik-just imply based on libbossids
20:34.18ckknightlocal MobIDs = setmetatable({}, {__index=function(self, id) if id < MAX_MOB_ID then self[id] = true else self[id] = false end; return self[id] end })
20:34.19ckknightdone.
20:34.19Shefki:q
20:34.23Shefkioops
20:35.33nicoli_slol
20:37.03asmodai[21:36:10]You are now queued in the Dungeon Finder.
20:37.04asmodai[21:36:31]Additional instances cannot be launched, please try again later.
20:37.17asmodaiThought it was not supposed to happen anymore. </sarcasm>
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20:39.31nicoli_sim trying to force myself to get to 15 so i can try the dungeon finder
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20:45.44ckknightnicoli_s: totally worth it
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20:53.26nicoli_syah, i should get there today or tom
20:53.32nicoli_sill def be ready to run some on friday
20:53.35nicoli_sand i still have a week
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21:32.18Repo10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * Beta4-16-gadbb0e5 DB (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
21:32.20Repoadbb0e5: Added missing quest acquire data to the Wolpertinger's Tankard db entry.
21:32.21Repo03cde82: Removed a quest that didn't have anything to do with a companion/mount.
21:32.56StanzillaShefki: wtb support for boss unitframes in pb4 :(
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21:33.24ShefkiStanzilla: It's on my todo list.  We just don't have any support for ad-hoc groups.
21:33.36ShefkiI could implement them as singletons but that isn't how I want to do it.
21:33.50Stanzillahokay
21:33.51ShefkiHonestly, I think the boss frames are stupid anyway.
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21:53.57Repo10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * Beta4-18-g04abe20 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
21:53.59Repo04abe20: Fixed issue where it was showing there were 57 filters when there's really 53.
21:54.00Repo5c4cb5c: minor spelling correction.
22:08.06ShefkiStanzilla: For what it's worth, doing boss frames will do arena frames at the same time.
22:08.32Stanzillayay :)
22:09.26miicacan i make addon "sleep" random time?
22:09.57durcynwith an onupdate timer, yes
22:10.15durcynor if you're using ace, just schedule a timer
22:10.23asmodainevcairiel: still around?
22:10.36Repo10auracle: 03taleden * r88 / (5 files in 2 directories):
22:10.38Repo- added support for temporary weapon buffs (only works for "player")
22:10.39Repo- updated embedded library externals
22:12.48harlarkanes_: here's an example of the sounds i was referring to earlier .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7leKAxO0AXM
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22:15.35Gnarfozsending an invalid link to chat should result in a disconnect, right?
22:16.01Fiskerif you say so
22:16.36harlthat link isn't invalid at all.
22:20.06miicai made system which adds me to epgp award list always automaticly
22:22.18asmodaiI wonder when they'll deliver the bloody wow magazine.
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22:25.09Megalonhttp://www.abload.de/image.php?img=tent7th3.jpg
22:25.49asmodaiYES!
22:25.52asmodaiutter win
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22:30.25Shefkiasmodai: I have mine.
22:31.58asmodaiShefki: You dod?
22:32.01asmodais/dod/do
22:32.18sb|workasmodai: yea.. good question :/
22:32.24asmodaiShefki: You're in the USA?
22:33.14asmodaisb|work: ah, you did get the email around Dec 12 "Important information regarding your subscription" ?
22:33.30sb|workuh
22:33.32sb|worklet me check
22:33.47sb|work"Wichtige Informationen bezüglich Ihres Abonnements" - yea :p Dec 11
22:33.51NeoTronso what exactly is the benefit of the "wow magazine"?
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22:34.12Ingelawe killed the first boss just
22:34.13NeoTronseems like it's an archaeic slow method of delivering data on a highly fluid item
22:34.19Ingelawas kinda hard actually
22:34.22Ingeladidn't expect it to be that hard
22:34.26asmodaisb|work: ok
22:34.36sb|workoh cool, there is a login page
22:35.04sb|workLetzte gesendete Ausgabe: Winter 2009 <-- funny :/
22:35.10asmodaieh?
22:35.19sb|workand WTF
22:35.23sb|worklogin with email address only
22:35.46sb|workyou can change everything just by entering the email address!?!?!
22:37.44asmodaimmm, well, seem you need the acct number too
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22:40.37sb|workno
22:40.47sb|workwhere? :o
22:40.47asmodaiI did :(
22:41.02asmodaihttp://www.worldofwarcraftthemagazine.com/customerservice
22:41.20sb|workahh i see
22:41.42sb|worklink includes account number
22:42.14asmodaisent them an email if I need to take 8-12 weeks from 1st of January or what
22:42.23sb|workhmm wait
22:43.19asmodaianyway, off to bed
22:43.33asmodaisb|work: will let you know if I get an answer
22:52.24Pneumatusim sadpanda
22:52.31Pneumatusi got beaten on healing done on lanathel 10man
22:53.53steevslacker
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22:54.48Pneumatushttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/ml7njsown8ibmo5a/sum/healingDone/?s=10017&e=10249
22:54.56Pneumatusnot by much though :<
22:56.20koaschtencan i bring up bigwigs proximity monitor manually?
22:56.33Funkeh`<PROTECTED>
22:56.34Pneumatus/proximity
22:56.36yoshimo./proximity
22:56.50PneumatusFunkeh`: princes 10man log in the bigwigs chan if you're interested
22:57.17Pneumatusthink its got a couple of wipes before a kill without resetting transcriptor though, i suck :<
22:57.25Pneumatusand i also managed to delete my lanathel log :<
22:58.37Funkeh`Probably because you suck
22:58.45Pneumatusyes
22:58.54Funkeh`:p
22:59.03Pneumatusat least i managed to transcribe something
23:03.20Megalonyou should all be glad that you all suck
23:03.32Megalonor else your mother would have had problems feeding you the first months
23:04.01Megalonand with that insight, good night :P
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23:57.07Repo10boss-notes: 03Bethink * r269 / (4 files in 3 directories): ICC Halls of Blood
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