IRC log for #wowace on 20100106

00:01.08Repo10priorityignore (experimental): 03Starinnia * r10 / (2 files in 2 directories): -all changes drycoded
00:01.10Repo-change to raw hooks so ignores can be intercepted
00:01.15Repo-addon will no longer blindly remove high priority ignores to make room for low priority ignores
00:01.17Repo-warnings are issued when trying to place a low priority ignore on list full of high priority ignores
00:03.14Arrowmasteri loaded it into python and it decoded as utf8 fine
00:03.21Arrowmasterso i dont know what the hell is going one
00:03.24Arrowmasteron
00:03.33Arrowmastercan you do it line by line?
00:03.54Arrowmasteror is it all koKR that is failing
00:04.03Shadowednot quite sure about to try that
00:04.06Shadowedmanaged to get a new error <span class="error">String does not end before newline: &#39;You cannot name a tag &#34;%s&#34;,&#39;</p>
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00:06.13ArrowmasterString does not end before newline: 'You cannot name a tag "%s",'
00:06.16Arrowmaster?
00:06.19Shadowedyea
00:06.22Shadowednot sure yet
00:06.23Arrowmasterwhat the hell kinda error is that
00:07.33Shadowedaha
00:09.04Shadowedthe fun of pattern matching
00:09.17Shadowed["You cannot name a tag \"%s\", tag names should contain no brackets or parenthesis."] = "You cannot name a tag \"%s\",
00:10.07ShadowedGuess I can't use %[\"(.-)\"%] = \"(.-)\",
00:10.16ckknightyou're missing a " on the end.
00:11.25Arrowmasteri think his script is matching wrong because of the usage of .-
00:11.45ckknightah
00:11.49Shadowed^
00:12.17ShadowedFirst issue was because of localizers putting line breaks into a translation
00:12.29Arrowmasterthose should work
00:12.41ShadowedI was using dofile which was messing it up apparently
00:13.25Arrowmasterare you using this pattern over the entire file or line by line?
00:13.36Shadowedline by line
00:13.50Arrowmasterok change the -'s to +'s and it should work
00:15.20profalbertI have a question: during login, which events are fired before combatlockdown is in effect=
00:15.29ShadowedADDON_LOADED and PLAYER_LOGIN
00:15.44profalbertthanks
00:15.45ckknightPLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED
00:15.50ckknighttechnically
00:15.57ckknightit will run, afaik
00:16.06ckknightI could be mistaken
00:16.13ShadowedI think it's suppose dto
00:16.15Shadowedsupposed to*
00:17.06Arrowmasteryeah P_R_D is the event
00:18.42Arrowmasterive seen issues in the past with unitframes that makes me think P_R_D could fire before any events that indicate you are in a group
00:19.12Shadowedshouldn't matter
00:19.16Shadowedprovided the UF is using headers
00:20.09Arrowmasterdoesnt healbot still fuck up if you are in combat when you login?
00:20.27ShadowedYes and we all know how competent of a coder the healbot author is :p
00:20.32Arrowmasteryup
00:21.00Shadowedas long as you laod everything at ADDON_LOADED and PLAYER_LOGIN it won't matter, unless you try some wacky stuff like not creating the header till data is available
00:21.05Shadoweds/laod/load/
00:21.13Arrowmasteralthough i also had the issue with oRA2 but that was because of LoD'ness of the tank frames
00:22.05profalbertI want to set attributes with information from the player's talents, but that would taint I think
00:22.10Shadowedit would
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00:22.38Shadowedyea that did it Arrowmaster thanks, was stupid and not doing it line by line too
00:22.40Gnarfozalso, those might not be available at that point
00:22.48Shadowedthey shouldn't be
00:22.54Shadowedunless you are reloading, but that doesn't help you much :p
00:23.21Arrowmastertalents arent fully updated until PLAYER_ALIVE i think and even then its not 'fully' updated
00:23.54Shadowedeverything should be available at PLAYER_ALIVE, or at least LHC4 hasn't had issues with doing it then
00:23.55Arrowmasterspell tooltips arent updated with talent changes until the first frame draw
00:24.01Shadowedoh tooltips
00:24.08profalbertI think I'll use a savedvar for that
00:24.21ShadowedWhat are you trying to do?
00:24.42profalbertwhen I'm a healer I want the party-frame to include the player
00:25.02profalbertbut only when the healspec is active
00:25.13Arrowmasteri dont think the load process has ever been well documented while in combat either
00:26.03Arrowmasterif the info you need is available at PLAYER_ALIVE it could work
00:26.07ShadowedThe only people who really care about combat are either UFs or people who want talents I'd imagine
00:26.31Shadowedwhile logging in at least
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00:27.03Arrowmasterwell there have been many additions to the ui and our documentation of the loading process is still from early 1.x
00:27.12Shadowedckknight: Do you know if there's an easy way to delete a translation in it's entirety?
00:27.38Shadowedas far as I can tell, I can't even delete a single key
00:27.46ArrowmasterShadowed: yes you tell Kaelten to go drop the table from the db and hope the site survives
00:27.56ShadowedThat sounds like a suitable risk
00:27.58ShadowedKaelten!
00:28.38TorhalThe site will survive, most likely. The issue is that all of Shadowed's projects would be assigned to Fisker.
00:28.48Shadowedthat's fine, I'll just kill Fisker
00:29.48ShadowedIt seems a bit odd you can't delete localizations though
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00:32.43ckknightyea, I could do it, Shadowed
00:32.48ckknightwhat's the project slug?
00:32.59Shadowedhttp://www.wowace.com/addons/shadowed-unit-frames/localization/ could you delete the Korean localizations?
00:33.10Shadowedaccidentally uploaded enUS to it rather than only koKR
00:33.11Repo10grid2: 03Azethoth * r297 RaidDebuffs/Grid2StatusRaidDebuffs.lua: Festergut, Rotface, Putricide.  First stab at it.
00:33.43yoshimothere are still commits to keep grid2 alive? ;)
00:36.27ckknightk, Shadowed
00:36.37Shadowedthanks ckknight
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00:49.03Xinhuan[08:46:24] [2. Trade] [Unknownidd]: Type /who Island , somebody is on GM island...is it a GM????
00:49.03Xinhuan[08:46:25] [Chucknorrisq]: Level 1 Night Elf Priest - GM Island
00:49.03Xinhuan[08:46:25] 1 player total
00:49.07Xinhuanamazing
00:49.29Xinhuani wonder if its a GM or a spammer
00:50.00Primermaybe it's a GM spammer
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00:58.27TorhalXinhuan: Looks like a merger between Chuck Norris and Q.
00:58.31TorhalPotent.
00:58.33Torhalcackles.
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01:07.37WobWorkJames Bond Q, or Star Trek Q?
01:07.51WobWorkcause if it's both, it'd be ChuckNorrisQQ
01:08.16TorhalHaha
01:08.19TorhalStar Trek
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01:19.28Repo10broker_sysmon: 03pompachomp * r62 Broker_SysMon.toc: toc to 30300
01:20.23GnarfozTorhal: nice
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01:23.52Gnarfozyoshimo: sadly, most of them are by Toadkiller. Jerry's commits are the ones actually worth something
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01:25.54yoshimoi have seen some of those as well, but he hasnt much time to work on it
01:27.25Gnarfozgrid2 might the first project I'd have wished it had a closed repo and a non-forkable license. :P
01:27.36Gnarfozat least until the heavy stuff was done
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01:28.43Gnarfozbut people started duct taping shit onto it as soon as they read "2.0", OMG it's Grid TWO!!!111
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01:31.51yoshimo_it sounded very promising in the beginning, but somehow i lost hope in a shiny new grid
01:32.57Repo10loot-council (experimental): 03kandarz * r9 LootCouncil.lua: Remove Tally votes (broken)
01:35.18Repo10loot-council (experimental): 03kandarz 04r10-beta * r10 : Created tag r10-beta.
01:37.55Repo10loot-council (experimental): 03kandarz * r11 LootCouncil.lua: Add debug
01:39.31Repo10loot-council (experimental): 03kandarz 04r10-beta2 * r12 : Created tag r10-beta2.
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01:40.52Gnarfozyoshimo_: yes, and "in the beginning" also coincides with "before other people started fucking with it before Jerry had time to flesh it out more" :P
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01:45.13yoshimo_grid1 is still working, so i can life with that for a bit longer ;)
01:45.21Gnarfozindeed
01:45.39Gnarfoz(it gobbles up bad amounts of cpu, but it works just fine)
01:46.33yoshimo_i dont want to know how large those amounts are..
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02:01.00Shadowedlots and lots I'd imagine
02:01.09Shadowedand lots
02:01.11Shadowedgiven how it's made
02:03.45yoshimo_btw blessed shouldnt use righteous fury on the omnibutton if your holy specced
02:04.16yoshimo_i think thats more likely for tanks, isnt it?
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02:05.31Antiarcyoshimo_: It shouldn't even show the RF button if you don't have Imp RF
02:07.32yoshimo_i do have that in my holy spec though
02:07.49AntiarcThat's more a PVP talent, isn't it?
02:07.56AntiarcAnd shouldn't it show if you're specced for it? :
02:07.57Antiarc:P
02:11.04yoshimo_well it helps with heroic twins if you have http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53530 , and if im not mistaken, you need to spent a few points on improved righteous fury to get that
02:12.02AntiarcI can see that. Guess I'll check for BoSanc to show the RF button.
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02:18.46Repo10fubar_durabilityfu: 03Zidomo 07Test * r128 : Tagging as v2.14
02:19.18Repo10fubar_durabilityfu: 03Zidomo 07Test * r129 : removal
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03:17.37Ingelaif you're not watching usa - canada now in junior hockey world cup, you're missing something!
03:17.45Ingelaone of the best games i ever saw
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03:21.55steevPrimer: I HATE YOU
03:22.19steevno bryntroll for us *sigh*
03:22.28steevbut its okay, cuz i have 2p t10
03:25.09Gnarfozto think I passed on a Bryntroll on monday, only to find out the worst possible scenario comes true: blood being a single-loot quest drop
03:25.13Gnarfozurrgh
03:25.15Gnarfoz:p
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03:46.38PrimerIs it impossible to track gold transactions?
03:46.43Primerseems there are no addons that do this
03:47.23Primeror even trades
03:48.04Gnarfozyou want Auditor2
03:48.23Gnarfoz@project auditor
03:48.24RepoGnarfoz: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/auditor/. Auditor. Game: WoW. Alarisha (Manager/Author). Updated: 11 days ago
03:48.44Primercan't find it using CC
03:50.32Primerseems CC4 doesn't download the addon db unless you click on "get more addons"
03:50.37Primersearching doesn't do it
03:50.56Primerguess search is context based
03:53.28Silowyiok
03:53.33Silowyiso
03:53.38SilowyiFestergut 10 man
03:53.50Silowyiour tank keeps dying at over 30k HP to something that's not showing up in the combat log, ideas?
03:54.11SilowyiGrim Reaper, Archeron... nothing's picking up the kill shot
03:54.17Groktaridk
03:54.46Groktarbut it turns out that the shadow's edge quest item is broodloord's head mk ii
03:54.53Groktaranyone can loot it and there's only one
03:54.55Groktarblizzard fail
03:55.37GnarfozI wonder how many more times that'll come up today, since I can now see it twice within this window alone, without scrolling up. :P
03:55.52Gnarfozbad Groktar, read scrollback :P
03:56.01Groktarwow Gnarfoz
03:56.07Groktarhow big is your chat window
03:56.09GroktarOo
03:56.13Gnarfozanyway, Silowyi is it just you, or can nobody else see it either?
03:56.52GnarfozGroktar: 1050px high minus taskbar, window title bar, menu bar and topic... and chat input box!
03:56.52Silowyino one can see it
03:57.03Silowyiwe just had a tank die with 50k hp, guardian spirit, and shield wall up
03:57.12Gnarfozwhelp, could have been that "no combatlog events for you" bug
03:57.17Groktarweird
03:57.19Gnarfozawesome
03:57.35Gnarfozthat's going to be fun tomorrow
04:00.00Silowyiah
04:00.03SilowyiGastric Bloat
04:00.11Silowyidon't let it stack to 10
04:00.20Gnarfozof course not, that's the selfkill thingy
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04:00.32Gnarfozthat's not reptorting in combatlog? heh fun
04:00.32Silowyidoesn't show up in combat log
04:00.42Silowyiwell the debuf does
04:00.46Silowyithe explosion doesn't
04:18.11Silowyialternatives to Cartographer? since it's all sorts of effed up for me right now
04:19.50Groktaraaaand another misloot
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04:20.12Silowyiof the acidic blood groktar?
04:20.26Groktarya, rotface's this time
04:20.35Silowyiso let me guess
04:20.39Silowyitwo different people have the bloods?
04:20.43Silowyiand neither of them are supposed to
04:20.49Groktarya, tanks
04:20.52SilowyiGM ticket time!
04:20.55Groktaryup
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04:21.16Ingelai bet the quest item can't be traded either right?
04:21.21Groktarnope
04:21.36Groktari honestly don't see the problem with making it a drop for everyone in the raid
04:22.46Silowyiin this new age of casuals, I strongly suspect that is the path it will end up as
04:22.46Silowyibut
04:22.55Silowyimost likely this will take them 2-3 months to make it that way
04:22.57Groktarnothing to do with being casual
04:23.16Groktari mean, it takes 25 primordial saronite plus a longass questline
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04:23.44Groktarand it's nothing special
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04:25.33Ingelaare you stupid you get like 27g for every quest
04:25.38SilowyiWell I think the main issue is that the path from Shadow's Edge to Shadowmourne is pretty trivial, and people are already complaining about the 25 saronite = good weapon thing.
04:25.39Ingelaand it's 9(!) quests
04:26.06SilowyiI dunno
04:26.15SilowyiI personally think it might as well drop for everyone too
04:26.45Silowyiby the time they change it so that it does, everyone will be able to get the Primordial Saronite easily... so it kind of doesn't make much sense
04:26.55SilowyiI'd be happy if they just made the damn thing master lootable :P
04:28.35Ingelaone thing that's fuckin awesome is that the one getting shadowmourne in my guild is also my 2v2 partner
04:28.39Ingelawe stopped playing for now though
04:28.47Ingelabut when he gets it damn we're gonna PWN SOME NUBS!
04:29.50Silowyilol
04:29.51Silowyiwell
04:29.58SilowyiI should be getting Shadowmourne in my guild
04:30.07Silowyibut I dunno
04:30.31Silowyiwe might not get Rotface or Festergut this week cause of a swim meet that our two MTs are going to
04:31.25Silowyigoing to cut us down to roughly 3 hours of raiding, we usually clear the first half in 1.5 hours depending on how badly we decide to fail.
04:32.01SilowyiOur 10 man didn't down either of them, but that's cause we didn't know what Gastric Bloat was on festergut
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04:40.05steevfail #2 on festergut - but we got him to 50%
04:41.05steevgot my revered ring
04:49.41steev9%!
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04:55.27Parnicsorry if this has already been reported, but has anyone else not earned any points since the new year?
04:56.03ShadowedWhen the new month rolls around, you don't get points for a few days because they have to calculate how much the rewards system is budgeted for
04:56.16Shadowedand add in new years + christmas it probably got a little delayed
04:56.20Parnicah, ok then. thanks for the info :)
04:56.27ShadowedI'd imagine by tomorrow or the day after it'll be going again
04:57.30WobWorkeh
04:57.35WobWork4 thousand more points =(
04:59.19steevWIIT
04:59.21steevgot him!
04:59.40steevfestergut down
04:59.42steev25 :)
04:59.47steevso yay for indifferent
04:59.55steevwhich is our dk that is getting shadowmourne
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05:18.09steevhttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/gb6yjz6u5qdubd44/sum/damageDone/?s=10914&e=11214
05:18.14steevfestergut kill for us
05:20.24WobWorkgratz
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05:23.10steevnow they decide who gets the next festergut blood
05:23.45steeveither me, the other other dk (who is dw currently), or one of the paladins
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05:31.24Repo10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v0.11-beta-17-g33b0a91 modules (3 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
05:31.25Repo33b0a91: Moved user info frame to top level too so you can click it and bring it to focus
05:31.26Repo29c2878: Added position in inspect queue to the players name in party and raid summaries, as well as a tooltip indicating it's for the inspect queue
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05:40.19Repo10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v0.11-beta-18-gc16d645 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Fixed saving of people from other servers being on by default
05:49.25orionshockis there a reason why ccv3 hangs at checking for latest client version?
05:54.12orionshockChannel Poll:: what's a reasonable time frame for a minimum instance run? IE you are only pulled in for the last boss and spend less than 5 min in the instance.
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06:04.30PrimerDoes anyone know of a third party app that implements the in-game calendar?
06:04.51PrimerI see that it's visible from wowarmory.com now
06:05.05PrimerJust wondering if anyone's written something, like a CMS module, to scrape it
06:07.13Nagdandchould someone tell me if class Icons have a path like "interface\\path\\to\class\\hunter"?
06:08.09steevPrimer: no Bryntroll tonight :/
06:08.25Primersteev: :(
06:08.30PrimerI haven't even gotten on to play
06:08.38Primerall I have is 10 man tonight
06:10.00asmodai~wowalert
06:10.00purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
06:10.09PrimerI have a feeling that I won't be able to easily pull the calendar via curl
06:10.37Primerlooks like there's a login + redirect with cookie later
06:12.26asmodaiGot to love how some items don't have their icons on the armory yet
06:15.41orionshockNagdand: yes there are
06:16.19Primeryeah, looks like you post to a battle.net url then it redirects to the calendar page with a session GET parameter
06:16.25Primershouldn't be too hard
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06:17.54steevhttp://github.com/renchap/wowr/blob/4e788d2070a20a5bcbc739f8ca6067a8700ce991/lib/wowr/calendar.rb
06:17.59steevPrimer: ^^
06:18.09TorhalNagdand: Find out for yourself: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466
06:23.47Primersteev: ugh, I don't want to learn ruby
06:24.36Primerbesides, there's no real "code" in there
06:26.23steevPrimer: just sayin its possible :-P
06:28.19Primerwell, I have firebug open to my click on the calendar, login to battle.net, and subsequent 302 to the location
06:28.31Primerjust haven't been able to get it to work with curl yet
06:29.31PrimerI wonder if blizz will think someone's trying to hack my account if I keep trying and failing
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06:31.55RepoFestergut: add Inhale,Pungent Blight, Gastric Bloat, Vile Gas
06:33.34Primersteev: the real code is here: http://github.com/renchap/wowr/blob/4e788d2070a20a5bcbc739f8ca6067a8700ce991/lib/wowr.rb
06:34.09PrimerI suppose I could just learn ruby really quickly and write something that uses that, as it's a library
06:35.10Primerbut...meh
06:35.12PrimerI'll just play now
06:41.35steevas you should :)
06:43.57Repo10big-wigs: 037destiny * r6927 Citadel/Stinky.lua: Fix MobID
06:55.07steevis there a way to grab the bar layout from the server?
06:55.17steevis it saved locally?
06:58.08Groktarno
06:58.10Groktarserver side
06:59.53steevand no way to pull it?
07:00.11orionshockthere is just only for active spec prolly
07:00.24Groktari don't understand the question
07:00.30steevi have 2 dk's
07:00.34steevboth have a tank spec
07:00.43orionshocksteev: u asking for the buttons or the actual positioning?
07:00.46steevthe one i use the most, has the bars set up the way i like
07:00.50Groktaroh, ok
07:00.52steevalong with abilities
07:00.57steevi want to copy from dk1->dk2
07:01.06orionshockwell the layout sure, but the spells have to be done manually
07:01.12steevill just take a screenshot
07:01.22Groktarbefore dual specs i used to use snapshotbar
07:02.01Groktarit would save your abilities into profiles
07:02.09Groktarso sure there's a way without doing it manually
07:02.12SqueeGhttp://www.badassoftheweek.com/chrontosh.html
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07:02.26Groktarbut you'll probably have to write something
07:02.28Groktar:p
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07:22.50hastesteev: it's because the element is named .Runes and you use .RuneBar
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07:28.14nywefAnyone happen to know of an addon that can be used to dump everything in my bags into the gbank?
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07:35.55Nagdandorionshock: could you point me in the direction so i can read about it
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07:47.15orionshockNagdand: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466    you'll find it in the interfaceArt with the class names in all caps
07:47.31Nagdandthanks
07:47.33orionshockor you can go look though some of the default UI where class icons are used.
07:50.20steevanyone happen to know how to make the new icons show up on oUF unit frames? (the left stuff, that show who is set as tank/heal/dps)
07:50.29steevs/left/lfg/
07:53.49digmouseis Putricide 25 bugged?
08:02.13StanzillaPlayers can now send a whisper to a player from another realm that is currently in their party.
08:02.16Stanzillathat took some time
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08:07.49hastewe've been able to send cross-realm whispers for quite some time tho'
08:08.07hastebut I guess the method involved counts as exploting :P
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08:22.27Groktarknow anyone who killed 25m putricide?
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08:44.05digmousenon yet
08:44.05digmouseseems putricide is bugged
08:45.13sylvanaarhaste you could send x-realm whispers? how?
08:46.23sylvanaarhaste or a better question is what method were your referring to as exploiting
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08:50.55hastesylvanaar: you could whisper people cross-realm by separating the name/realm with '
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08:51.11sylvanaarnever knew that
08:51.15orionshocklol
08:51.59hasteI don't think too many have known about it :P
08:52.24sylvanaareven if u are not grouped?
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08:53.14sylvanaaror just like in bgs and lfg
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08:53.58hasteI haven't used it since 3.1ish, but yes regardless
08:54.04sylvanaarlol
08:54.14sylvanaarwow
08:54.39hastewouldn't surprise me if it's fixed by now, as they managed to unblock cross-realm within party again :P
08:54.47sylvanaarsomeone try it
08:55.39hasteI can't whisper myself with it anymore at least
08:55.50hasteit does say if someone is offline tho' :P
08:56.17hasteactually it does it regardless when you type correctly now
09:07.43orionshockall they need now is cross faction instance puging
09:08.58Groktarcan't decide whether to slap the cat or sony vegas
09:09.14Groktarcat walked across the keyboard and cancelled my encoding job
09:09.35Groktarvegas should have a cancellation dialog, imo
09:15.27Groktarblames fisker
09:16.20Kalrothis that you haste http://www.explosm.net/comics/1904/
09:16.46Fiskeryou wouldn't
09:17.19hastewth?
09:18.12Fiskerkisses haste
09:18.43hasteoh shi-
09:19.08Kalrothhaha
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10:02.59Repo10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r6930 Citadel (2 files in 2 directories): frFR Update
10:04.55Groktarhmm
10:05.00Groktarthink i need to encode at a higher bitrate
10:05.11Groktargoing form frapsing at 1680x1050 to 1920x1080
10:05.12Groktar><
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10:22.54digmouseany addon that can place a debuff icon on nameplates?
10:23.17yoshimo_whats wrong with the ability to send other realms whispers while not in party haste? ;)
10:24.07digmousereturns no player?
10:24.11digmouseiirc
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10:24.39Gnarfozdigmouse: hard, since the only nameplate for which you know anything for certain is your current target
10:24.54GnarfozGroktar: who uses bitrates anymore, x264 CRF go!
10:25.34digmouseGnafoz: see this http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw35151.jpg
10:25.41Groktari have an easier time understanding the bitrate thingy
10:25.52digmousehe got a disease tracker on his nameplates
10:25.52Groktari am using x264vfw
10:25.54Groktartwo pass
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10:26.01Groktarso it wouldn't be an effort to do that instead
10:26.13sb|workmorning
10:26.19onaforeignshoremorning
10:26.26digmousealmost dinner time here
10:26.29Groktarpats sb|work on the head
10:26.31digmouseand morning
10:26.38Groktargood sb|work
10:26.51onaforeignshorecurse.com says I can't post a comment until I log in, and when I click on login it says I'm logged in - catch 22?
10:26.58Fiskeratleast i'm getting a superphone
10:27.05digmouseyour cookie screwed up
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10:32.11Fiskergreat digmouse
10:32.34digmouseglances at Fisker
10:33.27Groktarshoos away Fisker
10:34.43Kalrothgiver Fisker en olfert
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10:44.10onaforeignshoreis there any way to add a selection box to Curse Config to choose an icon for a macro (like the list in the Blizzard Macro page)
10:44.28onaforeignshores/Curse/Ace3/
10:49.07GnarfozGroktar: ugh twopass is meh, also, x264vfw is not updated anymore last I checked :O
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10:50.24Gnarfozanyway
10:50.32Gnarfozsomeone give me IV adrenaline, pls
10:50.39Fiskerok
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11:04.27onaforeignshorewhich is better, iterating a table and setting t[i] = nil or doing t = wipe(t) ?
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11:09.36Gnarfozwhy t=wipe(t), just wipe(t)
11:09.38Gnarfoz!api wipe
11:09.39lua_botwipe: Removes all entries from a table (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/wipe)
11:10.22Gnarfozwell... at least... shouldn't be necessary to assign it :O
11:12.34yoshimo_does anyone have a combatlog/transcript of professor putricide?
11:13.02onaforeignshorehttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_wipe
11:13.30onaforeignshorestill doesn't answer the question though? iterate or wipe? :)
11:13.47[Ammo]onaforeignshore: wipe is perfect
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11:18.46Mikkif you actually want to retain the table, wipe(t)
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11:18.55Mikkif you just want to get rid of it, just lose all refs to it and let the GC handle it
11:19.05Mikksince it likes processing while you're standing around idling these days
11:19.32Mikkonaforeignshore: oh, and "local wipe = wipe" at the top of your lua file ;)
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11:29.35orionshockgrr.. got ppl bitching at me because i use a .text field in my LDB feeds..
11:35.59yoshimo_^whats wrong about that orionshock?
11:37.02Arrowmasternothing since its a required field
11:37.42Grum@project dungeonspeedrunner
11:37.45RepoGrum: http://www.wowace.com/addons/dungeonspeedrunner/. DungeonSpeedRunner. Game: WoW. OrionShock (Manager/Author). Updated: 15 minutes ago
11:40.01Grumorionshock: for the 'Joining an instance in progress skews the numbers a bit. ' maybe you can use the time left on the dungeon debuff as a guideline? if that doesn't start at 15 then its not ok?
11:42.26orionshockGrum: could but i don't find it a use case that comes up often
11:43.02orionshockArrowmaster: that and the whole idea of an LDB spec is insane. None of the displays treat an LDB object the same exact way wrt to the fields
11:44.00Grumorionshock: well you could simply not time the run unless you see the dungeon debuffs by which you can calculate the start time
11:46.48orionshockGrum: again not a case found often, least for me
11:49.36Grumnothing more fun than rushing those instances hehe
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12:12.37yoshimo_15m on average grum ;)  a bit more if you need to explain eregos first
12:12.55Grum:D
12:13.04Grumif you are a tank you can so push the runs :)
12:13.25Grumpulling 2-3 packs at a time =)
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12:13.58Aeron`ello
12:16.08Aeron`nobody here? :(
12:16.38sb|workorionshock: that addon should be global (all chars) - not per character
12:18.53Aeron`Anyway I dropped by to announce an proof-of-concept addon which enables to encode 'text' into those lucky-charms icons {star} etc.
12:19.45Aeron`Availible at http://home.deds.nl/~aeron/wow/IconData.rar I havem't found any practical use for it but it might be suefull for cross-realm communication.
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12:22.44DMM23hi
12:23.02Aeron`hello.
12:23.17DMM23i need help with Bartender, anybody a little time ?
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12:32.31Groktaryoutube quality is getting pretty damned good
12:33.41GnarfozGroktar: it's been good since they started offering 720p/h264, really
12:34.24GnarfozAeron`: useless, cross-realm comms have been fixed today. ;-)
12:34.28GnarfozDMM23:
12:34.30Gnarfoz~asktoask
12:34.31purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
12:34.59GroktarGnarfoz: they encoded my fraps to 3.5mbps h264
12:35.02Groktar1080p
12:35.53Groktari don't understand why they change the framerate though
12:36.05GnarfozGroktar: they don't, normally oO
12:36.11Gnarfozat least they never did for 720p
12:36.23Gnarfozwhat's your framrate? 30? 25?
12:36.31Groktar25
12:36.36Gnarfoz(please don't answer 29.97333 crap shit :P)
12:36.39Gnarfozwell, hm
12:36.43Groktaryoutube changed it to ntsc
12:36.45Groktar;)
12:37.16Gnarfozyou d/l'd the yt encode?
12:37.19Groktarso yes, 29.973
12:37.21Groktarya
12:37.49olafskiI don't get what your addon does aeron` :<
12:37.57Gnarfozutter bullshit not-full-decimal fps
12:38.09Gnarfoztotally useless, nobody should even have ever started using that :X
12:38.15Grumjust encodes a string into icons so you can see it O.o
12:38.26Groktari can read my unitframes pretty easily
12:38.35Groktarand my combat text
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12:38.58Groktari'm tempted to upload a higher bitrate file
12:39.00Gnarfozwell, source is 1920x1200p25, right?
12:39.03Groktarya
12:39.07Groktarno
12:39.15Groktar1920x1080p25
12:39.15olafskiencodes a string into icons.. :/
12:39.19olafskiI can't see normal strings? :<
12:39.24Gnarfoz16:9 display?
12:39.26olafskimaybe I should try it to see what it does :P
12:39.31Groktarya
12:39.47Gnarfozolafski: before today, cross-realm whispers didn't work - not sure if that's what he meant
12:39.55GrumAeron`: what is the normal language you code in? O.o .. java orso?
12:40.49GnarfozGrum: I like guessing from people's english mistakes what their primary language is... I don't think I want to expand that to programming languages :D
12:41.16Grumits not a dynamic language in any case
12:41.45Grumand the fun thing is, what he did doesnt even work in lua ;D
12:43.29Aeron`@Grum laods actually
12:43.36Gnarfozmore importantly, he's not calling any of the raid target icon functions at all
12:43.38Grumlaods? :D
12:43.48Gnarfozloads
12:44.00Gnarfoz(he's saying it's syntactically correct, at least)
12:44.04Aeron`... forgive my keyboard hit-rating: i program/script in c c++ java lua perl
12:44.17olafskiI think he meant loads of languages ;)
12:44.23Grumah kk ;)
12:44.33Grumtoo much c/c++/java taint then! ;)
12:44.52Grumfyi; if you call your function with a single argument you will get nil-errors on the last line of the function
12:44.59olafskiI think I would have used either a case statement (dunno if lua has those) or a lookup table
12:45.12Grumlua has no function signatures like you try to use them
12:45.21Aeron`i've read cross-realm whispers change too today, does that include teh addon-communcation channel?
12:46.49Aeron`but yeah what my addon does is , it can embedded hexadecimal characters 'into' icon while others only see an icon and other, with the addon, can extract teh msg
12:47.08Aeron`and my english is fantastic today.
12:49.15Grumyou abuse the fact that '{}' get send literally?
12:49.21Aeron`yes.
12:50.24Groktaranyway Gnarfoz, here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71fcTJ76HbU
12:50.35Groktarthe end is the best part
12:50.43Groktarand i think i might have accidently used this song in another video
12:50.45Groktarwhoopsie
12:54.24Groktarsomeone set up us the bomb
12:54.25Groktar:(
12:54.58Aeron`):
12:55.11GrumGroktar: your kill on that vid?
12:55.35Groktaryeah
12:55.37WobinGroktar, wow. HD... you can actually read the chats =P
12:55.46Groktaryeah
12:55.52Groktarwould be easier if i didn't use a tiny font
12:56.00Groktari'm going to experiment some this week
12:56.02yoshimo_addoncomms should work as well, i get traffic in a rndm heroic from all 5 players
12:56.08Groktarbecause as good as it is, i think it could be better
12:56.14GrumGroktar: did you do putricide?
12:56.18Wobinwhat do the spores do?
12:56.20Groktara couple times
12:56.29Groktarand then we decided to wait on it
12:56.33Aeron`yoshimo, tried battlegrounds yet?
12:56.35Groktargoing to do an alt run on thur
12:56.39Groktarand then come back to it on sun
12:56.44Aeron`if addon makes use of such,
12:56.55Groktarwe were never able to get more than 1 abom
12:57.55GrumGroktar: from what i hear he's bugged on 25m but fine on 10m
12:58.01Groktarya
12:58.09Groktarmy 10m run got started late
12:58.17Groktarso we didn't make it to him before the 25m raid
12:59.58GrumGroktar: thought you'd stay abom for the whole fight?
13:00.08Grumor do you need multiple on 25m?
13:00.13Groktaryeah
13:00.15Grumwell abom until 35%
13:00.22Groktarwe got overwhelmed by slime
13:01.18Wobinhehe nice, Grok, just in time of the enrage
13:02.06Groktari don't think it was enrage
13:02.39Groktari think we didn't have enough people at range
13:03.19Grumhow would that change things Groktar?
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13:05.04Groktarthink napalm on mimiron
13:05.20Groktarhe has almost the exact same ability
13:06.35Repo10gathermate: 03Xinhuan * r685 Display.lua:
13:06.37RepoThe GatherMate icons on the world map will now show their tooltips again on mouseover when quest objectives are shown.
13:07.30Groktarvile gas: " Inflicts a Vile plague in targeted area, inflicting 4875 to 5125 damage every 2.0 sec for 6 sec. The plague causes the infected targets to vomit uncontrollably inflicting 3900 to 4100 damage to nearby allies. Unlimited range. Instant"
13:07.33Repo10handynotes: 03Xinhuan * r213 HandyNotes.lua:
13:07.35RepoWhen quest objectives are enabled, the HandyNotes icons on the world map will now show their tooltips again on mouseover.
13:07.36Groktarthat's what killed everyone
13:08.40Groktarlooks like Merlins was too close to the melee
13:10.24yoshimo_as always, feel free to add logfiles/transcripts and suggestsions for bosses in http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17510  or use the tickettracker ;)
13:12.42WobinGroktar, dunno, I just saw the "10 seconds til enrage" message
13:12.52Groktarhmm
13:12.56Groktarlooks again
13:14.03Groktarhe periodically has a buff that increases his damage
13:14.08Groktarmay have been that
13:14.23yoshimo_wobin, if youre talking about the plaguework bosses,  berserktimer changed around, so the warning might be inaccurate
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13:16.05Groktar5 minutes would have been a ridiculous enrage for that boss on normal
13:16.06GroktaroO
13:16.16Wobinhttp://screencast.com/t/NDIwNzJkYz
13:16.52Wobintime on that may be a bit weird, youtube is being persnickety
13:17.13Groktarnp, i'm looking at the actual fraps
13:17.20yoshimo_Aeron` , no i didnt, random heroic first ;)
13:17.27Groktarraid blows up with 41 seconds on the timer
13:18.50yoshimo_my raid will begin in 6h , so i need dataz if you want to have things before raid is over ;)
13:19.33Groktari *have* the combat log for tonight
13:19.51Groktarbut it's also got the log for the last 3 weeks or so
13:19.55Groktar2gb flat text file
13:19.56Groktarheh
13:20.00Kalrothzip it!
13:20.08Wobinzip it good
13:20.14Groktari'll split it for you
13:20.16Kalroth7zip it!
13:21.04Aeron`huffman encode it :)
13:21.12onaforeignshoretar gzip2 it :p
13:21.17Groktari really have no idea how to manipulate this file
13:21.27Aeron`right-click? :D
13:21.28Groktareverything shits a brick
13:24.52KalrothI've used 7zip on 40+ GB files, so it should handle it just fine
13:25.17Kalrothas for splitting, I'd use a non-Microsoft tool
13:25.20Kalrotheg. no notepad!
13:26.08pentium166I would be amused to see how notepad handled a 2gb text file
13:27.26Groktarit says bugger off
13:28.10Kalroth"plz no omg r u insan?? no moar tehn 5 megz pls"
13:30.36yoshimo_arent there combatlogsplitters out there to help people like groktar? ;)
13:31.35Groktarare there?
13:31.40Groktarwell, i just did it manually
13:33.16yoshimo_ofc there are, splitting a 2gb file might cause lags in your editor
13:36.28Aeron`or such things I use mIRC to do teh job :)
13:37.04Groktarit's uploading
13:38.35Groktarwanders off
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13:41.33Groktarhttp://www.guild-impulse.net/media/WoWCombatLog-7.zip if you want it. i also posted in the bigwigs_citadel thread
13:45.26yoshimo_of course, i want it, its hard to create modules if everyone relies on the addondevelopers to get the logfiles themselfes ;)
13:49.26Fiskeri want you Groktar
13:50.37asmodaiYou wouldn't
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13:51.38asmodaiGroktar: 2 GB down to 11 MB? Sweet :)
13:51.56asmodaiOh you trimmed it :)
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13:57.12GnarfozGroktar: EditPad Pro (or was it Plus) handles multi-gigabyte textfiles well - everything else I tried either took ages to load, died afterwards or never finished loading - or combination of any of those
13:57.33Gnarfoz(also I wrote myself a simple few lines long perl combatlog splitter)
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14:23.08yoshimo_notepad++ suffers iirc
14:34.52Fiskeryeah
14:34.55Fiskerit sucks
14:38.13Kalrothultraedit ftw
14:39.16olafskikalroth++ :)
14:42.40sztanpetsublimetext!
14:44.08Aeron`vi
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14:44.21Knaledgekaelten
14:44.29Megalonwordpad!
14:44.54Knaledgehehe - is there any way to adjust the OSX client to pick up alpha releases of projects?
14:45.00KnaledgeSimilar to the Windows version
14:45.51KnaledgeI find that if I update my addons here at home via OSX client (v4), and then bring my addons to work, dump to my work PC, and run the Windows curse client - I get a ton of "updates available" because at work, I have CC set to pick up alpha releases.
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14:46.39ckknight_http://jesus-withyoualways.com/ is super, super creepy
14:46.50Fiskerckknight_men
14:47.29KalrothI think he's still in his Winnie the Poo pyjamas, Knaledge
14:47.41KalrothPooh*
14:47.56Knaledgehaha
14:48.20KnaledgeFair enough - I had just seen him respond on the OSX forums about 1 hour ago (EST) so figured he would be up. Prob at work
14:48.36Kalrothckknight_: best stalker
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14:51.54Kalrothwhens pitbull5 coming out ckk
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14:52.14onaforeignshorelol 4 isn't even that old yet
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14:52.41pentium166should have skipped pitbull 4 and went straight to 5
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14:59.02KaeltenKnaledge: hey
14:59.07Kaeltenjust got on irc
14:59.13Kaeltenthe logic is ther
14:59.14Kaeltene
14:59.20Kalrothnot even out of the pyjamas yet
14:59.20Kaeltenbut there's no way to set the option at this moment
15:00.24Knaledgeaw lame
15:00.33KnaledgeI mean - I love the client, sorry to say "lame"
15:00.44Kaeltenno it is lame
15:00.46Kaeltenit's ok
15:00.46KalrothEspecially considering you're a Mac user!
15:00.47Kaelten:D
15:00.49KnaledgeI just really like being on the bleeding edge! :D
15:00.55Kaeltenya it's coming
15:01.06KaeltenI just really want to get what is already there working better before I got adding new features
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15:01.33Knaledgewould you be able to add a keystroke or dev command to next release to "unlock it" for those in the know?
15:01.46Knaledgenot sure but does OSX have "command line" tagging? like in Windows?
15:01.51Kaeltenmaybe
15:02.03Knaledgesweet :)
15:02.06Kaeltenwhat I might do is just put the setting in and make you go into the plist manually
15:02.18Kaeltennot the best situation, but it'd work I suppose
15:02.30Knaledgeyeah for sure - I'd have to edit the plist via something like coda ?
15:02.40Kaeltenthere's a build in plist editor iirc
15:02.51KaeltenI knwo it's there if you have the development tools
15:02.51Knaledgeah ok
15:02.58Kaeltenright now I'm redoing all the xml parsing
15:03.03Knaledgeyeah I have xcode installed - just put it on this MBP
15:03.12Knaledgeoo yeah - dish on it; whats happenin?
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15:03.26Kaeltenwell you know how it can take a while at startup
15:03.31Knaledgeyep
15:03.35Knaledgeand scrolling is sluggish
15:03.48Kaeltenhrm, not sure about that one yet
15:04.08Knaledgereally? Oh man, with MagicMouse it's very noticeable but I had seen a ticket similar.
15:04.14KnaledgeBasically, it's just kind of... laggy
15:04.29KaeltenI know on my machine though worst case the Initializing Projects Cache step of startup can take > 65s
15:04.39Kaeltenwith the new parsing it's down to sub 2s worst case
15:04.41KnaledgeI have seen that - repro here for sure.
15:04.46Knaledgewow really?
15:04.54KnaledgeThat's near instant on like Windows is basically
15:04.54Kaeltenyup
15:04.54Knaledgegrats
15:06.53asmodaiKaelten: I want wowdb uploads again :(
15:07.06Kaeltenasmodai: ya I hear ya man, me too
15:07.32nevcairieldidnt the wowdb guy virtually abandon it and do other stuff?
15:07.36nevcairieljust use wowhead :D
15:08.42Ackisthey're updating wowdb again nevcairiel
15:09.10asmodainevcairiel: That would be great, but last I remember, a bunch of addons uses wowdb for their information, which is now getting stale
15:09.32nevcairielwell wowhead does let you parse as well if you ask nicely
15:09.47Gnarfoz<Kalroth> ultraedit ftw <-- UE can't handle files that big, either, it dies. :>
15:09.48nevcairielor ask Adys for db.mmo-c data
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15:10.24onaforeignshoreI use "e"
15:10.44asmodaiI've been gathering soo many nodes which are @ wowhead, but not @ wowdb :(
15:10.50onaforeignshorea windows version of TextMate
15:11.00nevcairielI wonder if kagaro parses wowhead or wowdb
15:11.03onaforeignshorecan even use TextMate bundles
15:11.04nevcairieli should pm him again
15:11.05asmodaiwowdb last I know
15:11.14asmodaihis Ruby scripts at least
15:11.18asmodainot sure if he changed it
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15:12.27Ackiswe (kagaro and I) parsed wowdb instead of wowhead as the architecture of the site made it easier, wowhead said no, and wowdb said "huh?" :P He did start work on a wowhead parser, not sure where that got to though
15:12.42nevcairielhe parsed wowhead long before wowdb
15:12.47nevcairieli bet he has the parser somewhere
15:13.00Adysnevcairiel: yah?
15:13.16nevcairielhe switched to wowdb because it apparently had less wrong nodes
15:13.23nevcairieljust due to the fact that it was "new" :P
15:13.37Adyswhat do you need?
15:13.55nevcairielI dont think you actually have that data
15:13.59asmodaiI wonder what wowhead does with such information nowadays. If they expire nodes if they didn't get a refresh within x days
15:14.02Adyswhatdata:P
15:14.08asmodaiAdys: gathering stuff
15:14.10nevcairielmining/herb nodes
15:14.12Adysah
15:14.14Adysno i dont sorry
15:14.37Gnarfozasmodai: they check them by hand, like they used to? :D
15:14.54Adyslol Gnarfoz
15:14.59asmodaiGnarfoz: heh, smartalec :P
15:15.09Adysasmodai: its true
15:15.13asmodaiSeriously?
15:15.17Adysyes
15:15.22Adyshad a bunch of lua files limiting the nodes
15:15.31asmodaiWell, at least it's decent QA :P
15:15.57Adysits also not bullet proof
15:16.04asmodaialso that
15:16.20Adysand by that I mean it's a sword with two sharp ends or something
15:16.36Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=28585
15:16.45Adysfind the fuck up :)
15:16.46asmodaiI wonder if a collective intelligence model works where you keep node records but hide them when they don't get repeated by X uploaders
15:17.05asmodaiAdys: heh
15:17.17asmodailooks at his Home key
15:17.33Adysasmodai: I designed something similar during my time at wowhead, never released it
15:18.20Adysbut basically you'd give each node a rating on a scale of 0-100 and you'd play with alpha levels
15:19.09yoshimo_whats the minimum distance between 2 nodes of ore/herb in northrend?
15:19.16Adys1 yard
15:19.31Adysthey're placed randomly and QA filters a bit
15:19.57yoshimo_thats why there are so many nodes in my addons database...
15:20.02asmodaiAdys: Ah, that might work too, but would suck for exposing data for data providing though.
15:20.33Adysi don't see what's wrong with that
15:20.54Adysdata redistribution is a good thing
15:21.10Adyswebsites kinda piss me off with their whole "I gathered that data. it's mine. MINEEEE"
15:21.19asmodaiAdys: Not sure how accurate the gathering addons are nowadays. At least by using a cutoff level you at least spread the ones you get more recurring repeats for
15:21.34asmodaiAdys: Nah, don't mean to hold it back, just provide a cutoff point/level.
15:21.44Adyswhat for?
15:21.48Adyshttp://db.mmo-champion.com/i28585/json
15:21.50Adyshave a look
15:21.58Adysyou can get anything you want
15:22.00asmodaiWasn't there a shitload of problems back in the day with coordinates?
15:22.10Adysits not a problem with coords per se
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15:22.25nevcairielgathering still has the issue that you dont stand exactly on the node
15:22.30nevcairielbut have a radius around it
15:22.32Adyswell basically on wh you got a "center point" which is slightly bigger than the coord
15:22.43Adysso anything within .1 or something counts as the same
15:23.09Adyshere's what happens if you dont do that: http://www.wowdb.com/npc.aspx?id=18733
15:23.32nevcairielhe is everywhere!
15:23.34asmodaiholy
15:24.00asmodaiDoes he really wander all over Hellfire Peninsula?
15:24.07yoshimo_i dont think
15:24.08Adysno theres shitty data in there
15:24.09nevcairielpeople pull him other places, too
15:24.15asmodaiAhhh right, of course
15:24.17Adysbut yeah theres pulls too
15:24.24Adysalso nevcairiel about ruby slippers
15:24.25yoshimo_but the thing we ware intrested in is the patrol path
15:24.37nevcairielwhats with the slippers anyway? i didnt spot it
15:24.40asmodaiI never like to use wowdb because it feels bloody slow compared to wowhead or db.mmoc
15:24.46asmodainevcairiel: <Home> ?
15:24.49asmodaiI guess, not sure
15:24.50Adysno
15:24.57nevcairielthats just  the place that says your home location
15:24.58Adysthe cooldown is hardcoded, back when they wanted to show the cooldown on the tooltip, even tho it isnt shown ingame
15:25.04Adysits 15 minutes now
15:25.06Adysnever updated
15:25.09asmodaiah
15:25.38yoshimo_i think mmochamp and wowhead should join forces and the curse client should include the wowhead collecting addon, so we have many sources of data , useful comments and fast releases of new ptr data
15:25.45asmodaiheh, they even have him recorded for Zangarmarsh and Terrokar
15:25.52Adysexcept that wont work, yoshimo_
15:26.06yoshimo_well, im allowed to dream, aint i?
15:26.28yoshimo_the one db to rule them all wont work
15:26.48yoshimo_asmodai, doesnt he run away if you kite him to far?
15:26.52Adysyou're like asking wowi/wowui/curse to include the same addon database
15:27.19asmodaiyoshimo_: Not sure, never really kited him :D
15:27.37Adysfor the user it's all good i mean
15:27.48Adysbut in the end, it really comes down to who gathers data the most efficient way et
15:27.51Adysetc**
15:28.54yoshimo_im courious, how mmochamp mines all that ptr ,like ids for bosses that arent available for testing yet
15:29.30Adyswe have special deals with blizzard, Bibi is kind of butty-butty with chilton
15:29.33Adysjust ask him
15:31.47AdysAdys 1 - 0 Convo
15:31.53asmodaihahaha
15:32.23asmodaiYou've become the official unofficial info channel :P
15:32.41Adysit was a joke
15:32.56Adysright now Bibi is getting butty-butty with random LFGs
15:32.56asmodai:P
15:32.57Adysyou go
15:33.17Kalrothhe's the best pug tank ever
15:33.23asmodaiHe's become the official gossip channel? :)
15:34.50steevbutty butty?
15:35.27Adysyou want the details? it involves pants, or the lack thereof
15:36.07steevonly if you promise to tell Fisker
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15:36.31AdysFisker already knows
15:37.18AckisFisker is involved
15:38.34steevhaste: any lucks?
15:38.36Adystalents!
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15:45.10Gnarfozhaste: onoes :< Tuller's GuildBanknon breaks oGlow horribly :o
15:46.14BrunersGnarfoz: dont use guildbanknon then :)
15:46.38GnarfozBruners: it's part of bagnon, Tuller was so kind to push it onto me :p
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15:46.53winkwhy would you need oGlow with Bagnon?
15:46.56Gnarfoz(and it's good, too, it's oGlow that's not flexible enough! /flex)
15:47.09winkit's the same functionality when you tick the "color stuff" in Bagnon
15:47.20Gnarfozgreat, and Bagnon then colors my inventory, too?
15:47.23winkor is my memory misleading me?
15:47.26winkofc
15:47.29Gnarfozno, it doesn't
15:47.37Gnarfozinventory = paperdoll slots, bags = bags
15:47.38Brunerswink: do bagnon color the character pane, mail etc?
15:47.43Gnarfoz(just to clear the terminology)
15:48.04Gnarfozidd, oGlow covers all of those :)
15:48.11winkGnarfoz: paperdoll = Fizzle for me
15:48.17Gnarfozthat does something else.
15:48.17winkbags = bagnon
15:48.19Gnarfoz:<
15:48.24winkI used oGLow before
15:48.25GnarfozFizzle is durability, oGlow is quality
15:48.33winkfizzle is durability AND quality
15:48.46Gnarfozso how does a yellow epic item look?
15:48.58nevcairielyellowishpurple?
15:48.59Gnarfozyellow-violet?
15:49.00winkI have xx% below
15:49.01Gnarfoz;D
15:49.07winkTEXT
15:49.10Gnarfozthat's not coloring, that's text, meeep.
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15:49.18winkhttp://img96.imageshack.us/i/invthara.png/ Bagnon
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15:49.48winkwhich clearly is... colored
15:50.17Gnarfozgreat, and who colors my mail? :<
15:50.28Brunerswink: we already know bagnon colors bag items
15:50.29winkPostal  maybe?
15:50.41Gnarfozwink: it's not a guessing game, it's oGlow
15:50.44winkGnarfoz is just talking too much :D
15:50.55winkI can't keep up with trying to grasp it
15:51.14Gnarfozdo you not notice we're listing stuff oGlow colors (which is why we use it despite Bagnon's feature to color ITS OWN STUFF)?
15:51.26winkBruners: we started with "great, and Bagnon then colors my inventory, too?"
15:51.50winkjust andswered *that* question
15:51.56winkand then it went downhill :D
15:52.03winkshuts up
15:52.59winkthen again I've never thought about the fact whether Fizzle colors my equipped items
15:53.02Repo10charscanner: 03kunda * r29 / (9 files in 1 directory):  (Message trimmed by 24 lines)
15:53.04RepoGeneral:
15:53.05Repo- new: mouseover GROUPSCAN-Button to get an addition GROUPSCAN function:
15:53.07Repo-> GROUPSCAN deletes all previous scans before doing a groupscan
15:53.08Repo- removed: 'Clear All'-Button in HistoryFrame (use DELETE-Button instead)
15:53.08winkand I can't really tell now, I just look at the text
15:53.38asmodaiI see wink likes to the play the congas
15:53.47dieckis there a auto-garbage-sell addon that will sell "non-wearable soulbounds"? e.g. if I choose a plate armor as quest reward (as warlock char)
15:53.53winkconwhat?
15:53.57winkoh, congas
15:55.14Gnarfozwink: your sarcasm detector is broken. the line you just quoted was supposed to point out to you that Bagnon doesn't color the paperdoll/inventory, just bags. :3
15:55.21Bruners-18 C outside kinda sucks
15:55.24steevGnarfoz: there was, but i don't recall the name
15:55.40Gnarfozsteev: huwhat
15:55.47winkGnarfoz: how do you think I can keep track of those 100 addons? they somehow work :D
15:55.59steevGnarfoz: er
15:56.01Gnarfozwink: don't ask me, someone installed 160 addons on my box :O
15:56.02steevdieck: ^^
15:56.10asmodaiGnarfoz: wtf
15:56.30winkInterface\AddOns -> 193 Items
15:56.52wink-23 Blizzard
15:57.06Gnarfozmine is ACP profile count, I don't really wanna know Interface\AddOns\ :\
15:57.11steev~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/World of Warcraft/Interface/AddOns$ ls -l | wc -l
15:57.12steev100
15:57.13Gnarfozthat number would probably be scary
15:57.14wink-29 PitBull ><
15:57.36wink-14 Quartz, gnah
15:58.05winkand -10 BigWigs, that makes.. 120, and a few have _Options folders
15:58.11winkso 100 is about right, probably 110
15:58.38Bruners124
16:00.20winkmhm, I ditched ACP at one point
16:00.27winkbut I can't remember why, really
16:04.09hasteGnarfoz: what version of oGlow and how does it break "horribly"
16:05.39Fiskerslaps haste around a bit with a large trout
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16:09.16onaforeignshoreaargh!
16:09.38onaforeignshoreI have the "Who List" pop up at random with "n-Xxxxx" in the search box
16:09.46onaforeignshoreand I dunno what's causing it
16:10.23onaforeignshoreand I can't disable addons to find the culprit, cause it's a random occurance that I haven't been able to duplicate :(
16:13.06Adysonaforeignshore: its likely an addon that does a /who query
16:13.22Adysonaforeignshore: try ack GetWhoInfo
16:16.35Gnarfozhaste: http://paste.wowace.com/1599/ and 1.12, apparently
16:18.42hasteGnarfoz: meh, githead has it "fixed" or rather worked around
16:22.48winkmhm, maybe I was just blind.. but can I do a "global search" in Bagnon? like.. want to find occurences of chilled meat on all chars
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16:38.49hasteonaforeignshore: Auctionator kept doing it for undercity for me
16:40.13hasteonaforeignshore: quick way of checking is just to grep your add-ons btw
16:40.24hasteif you run a sane OS that is
16:41.04Brunersbut, havent the author fixed that issue?
16:41.22hasteno idea, I never update add-ons that don't break :P
16:41.32hasteI'm just saying what it can be
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16:44.21steevhaste: http://ace.pastey.net/131053 there is the entirity of the ouf layout i'm using - could it be because of overriding colors?
16:44.51hastesteev: did you not read what I told you :p ?
16:45.04steevhaste: its not in my scrollback
16:45.16hastethen you should get a highlight monitor!
16:45.33hastesteev: you name the table key RuneBar while it should be Runes
16:45.33Brunershaste: if it could be called issue, more like retarded way for version checking :P
16:46.03hasteBruners: yeh, I removed auctionator after seeing it :P
16:46.53BrunersThe Net (1995) was not as good as i remembered it to be
16:46.56steevhaste: okay - i'm actually modifying this other layout (it relied on oUF_Runebar and thats just silly)
16:48.14hastesteev: people are slow at updating :P
16:48.28hastesteev: and when it works they just stop
16:48.31steevhaste: well this layout hasn't been updated since august :)
16:48.49Gnarfozhaste: github?
16:48.54hasteGnarfoz: yes
16:48.59Gnarfozk
16:49.00hastesteev: oUF got runebars in august :P
16:49.52Brunerssteev: http://hastey.pastey.net/131054
16:50.14hasteBruners: does that order table work?
16:50.35Brunershaste: i think it does
16:50.46hastealso, that's the default order in oUF
16:51.00hasteyou only need to define those you move now
16:51.22hastethink there's an example in the file
16:51.48Brunershaste: i havent been in game about a month and i dont use ouf for runes :P
16:52.18haste>:3
16:53.11Brunershaste: but why is that the default order ?
16:53.22hastebecause blizzard are lazy fucks
16:53.47hasteinstead of fixing the API on the C side to return the correct order they just change it
16:54.04Brunersit is at least the way i wanted it to be if i where to use them
16:54.05hastethey even have a function dedicated to swapping the runes at login :P
16:54.14winkis wegame.com in any way affiliated with curse?
16:54.24steevhalf the time, i think it would be easier to just start over rather than modify this code he has
16:54.29ckknightno, wink
16:54.39winklol, the layout so reminded me of it
16:54.48winkand the logo :P
16:55.54Brunerssteev: start with something simple, oUF_Classic or lily
16:56.20yoshimo_shadowed, did you include the tier 10 bonusses into lhc4 yet?
16:58.33hastesteev: out of those two oUF_Lily will probably be the cleanest base
16:58.39hasteat least if you want custom handling
16:59.23Brunersi started with classic and ended up with a huge mess :P
16:59.58hastelily is written for unit abstraction, classic isn't
17:03.18Brunershaste: btw two months with gentoo now, if not more!
17:03.33hasteBruners: good for you! :D
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17:07.09Brunershaste: are you experienced with ntfs and it reporting UUID's ?
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17:07.27Brunershaste: for some reason one of my partitions doesnt have one :S
17:07.36hasteBruners: nope
17:07.54winkThere's only one rule about UUIDs: Don't talk about UUIDs
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17:08.57Brunerssda1(ntfs) and sda3(ext4) gives me one but not sda2
17:09.55KriLL3why are bags boe? specially crafted ones, replace a bag with a bigger one and tada, you got a soulbound back and no slots to put it in
17:10.15BrunersKriLL3: so that tailors can make money on them
17:10.16KriLL3*bag
17:10.19KriLL3ah
17:10.44KriLL3well you still need more with more characters, but I wish I didn't have to buy a full set every damn time...
17:11.04Brunersi prefer portable holes
17:11.19KriLL3not all of us are made of gold ;)
17:18.35Brunershaste: i'm confused with obindings, why do you need barchanging stuff when you bind all buttons to spells ?
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17:20.35steevBruners: to confuzzle you!
17:22.53hasteBruners: take a look at the warlock bindings
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17:34.25hasteBruners: why aren't you playing now anyway :D ?
17:36.17Brunershaste: have been thinking of quiting the game or at least reduce the ammount time i play to get my focus on studying
17:39.43Brunershaste: and i have been home for christmas withou a computer to play on
17:40.54asmodainevcairiel: the problem is not away btw, had it appear during a random dungeon last night, but given the pace we went through the place, couldn't turn on taintlog :(
17:40.57Brunersinstead of playing i have consumed about 8 liters of moonshine
17:41.31Repo10passloot_atlasloot: 03Odlaw * r6 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Return false if atlasloot isn't loaded.
17:41.33Repo- Add 'Current Player' as an option.  Will match ANY list the current player has.
17:44.18hasteBruners: mmm, moonshine~
17:46.30Repo10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v0.12-beta-2-g140434a modules (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
17:46.31Repo140434a: Fixed error when clicking on the players name in the party summary before they loaded
17:46.32Repoc6a73bc: Added gear requests when opening party or raid summaries to speed up getting gear, only works for other EG users
17:48.08asmodaiShadowed: is that what first was going to be SexyGroup?
17:51.07Gnarfozsame addon, yea
17:54.01Venara@describe passloot_atlasloot
17:54.03RepoVenara: http://www.wowace.com/addons/passloot_atlasloot/. PassLoot_AtlasLoot. AtlasLoot wishlist match.
17:54.22asmodaiGnarfoz: ta
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18:04.58KriLL3is there some kind of reason why you can't get the emblem you want directly instead of downgrading it multiple times? add all lower emblems to the end, not hard...
18:05.09KriLL3would also be nice if you got more than 1:1 for much lower marks
18:10.23SunTsuKriLL3: You can buy more than one
18:10.28KriLL3yes
18:10.29rbarreirosshift+click
18:10.31KriLL3but it still takes ages
18:10.41Pneumatusnot if you use the emblem trader npc
18:10.42KriLL3especially with the customary crippling dalaran lag
18:10.45SunTsuKriLL3: it does? Shift-click 250 done
18:10.56KriLL3SunTsu: no, you need to repeat that process 3 times
18:10.57rbarreirosoh there's an emblem trader NPC ?
18:11.04rbarreiroswhere is it matt ?
18:11.04Pneumatusdalaran swers
18:11.07rbarreirosoh
18:11.07Pneumatus*sewers
18:11.32Pneumatushttp://www.wowhead.com/?npc=35790
18:12.26KriLL3yeah that's better, but you still need to repeat the process 3 times to go from triumph to valor
18:12.42KriLL3and it would be nice if you could get more than 1:1
18:13.48rbarreirosdon't see you doing that alot of times tbh, only in some rare situations like buying gems or an old piece of gear ?
18:14.04KriLL3heirlooms
18:14.13rbarreiroshow many times will you buy them ?
18:14.18rbarreirosonce :P
18:14.34rbarreirosif it would be a repeating thing yeah could be a pain
18:15.20SunTsuI do that regularly to buy gems
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18:15.53SunTsutriumph badges pile up on my main and I don't know what to do with them
18:16.28Pneumatustrade them down for gems every few weeks, or keep them to look pretty
18:16.45rbarreiroskeep them to look pretty imho (lol)
18:17.00Pneumatusi have 251 badges of justice
18:17.06Pneumatusthey are for looking pretty
18:17.18Fiskerslaps Pneumatus around a bit with a large trout
18:17.28rbarreiroshad 280 but then I blew them all up in gems for the new gear :P
18:18.56Pneumatusanyone able to c/d the quest items from rotface/festergut being randomly allocated to any one person on the shadowmorne chain?
18:19.33SunTsuPneumatus: As I said, I regularly buy gems and craft smth. with it
18:20.27KriLL3anyone knows of an addon that merges your buddy list between characters on the same realm & faction?
18:20.37sb|workPneumatus: randomly?
18:20.38rbarreiroscya tomorrow home time
18:20.43sb|worki thought its lootable only once
18:20.53KriLL3and doesn't forget the particulars of each contact
18:21.06Pneumatusi've seen reports of people saying it's just been given randomly to one person with the quest
18:21.21sb|workurgs
18:21.23Pneumatusso if multiple people have the quest only 1 gets it, but its server-random'd
18:21.23sb|workokay
18:21.34sb|workso all people drop quest
18:21.49Pneumatuswe're getting our lot to do that tonight just incase
18:22.32GnarfozPneumatus: first person to loot who has the quest gets it
18:22.41Gnarfozbroodlord head 2.0
18:22.43Gnarfoz:O
18:22.54Pneumatusbut apparently its only lootable to one specific person
18:23.23Gnarfozhm? no.
18:23.37Gnarfozeveryone with the quest can see it, whoever grabs first, wins :<
18:23.39Gnarfozwhich sucks. :P
18:23.45Pneumatus"Confirmed, this also happened in our raid tonight. The item itself shows up in the loot window to one random person on the quest, and it cannot be traded to the person the guild decided it should go to. "
18:23.56Pneumatusetc etc
18:23.56Gnarfozsounds like wow forums
18:24.38Gnarfozthis IRC channel, ej IRC channel and ej patch 3.3 thread are worded otherwise, so I stand by that it's not random
18:24.45Gnarfozare=were
18:24.56Gnarfozit doesn't really matter anyway, because the solution is the same:
18:24.58KriLL3perhaps it's autolooted and thus appear random?
18:25.04GnarfozKriLL3: indeed
18:25.16Gnarfozhave everyone but the chosen receiver drop the quest, problem solved
18:25.27Gnarfoz(albeit not nicely, but hey)
18:25.28Pneumatussure, but dumb mechanic is still dumb
18:26.34Gnarfozno contest there
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18:41.15Znuffuhuh
18:41.20ZnuffShadowed!
18:41.27ZnuffHow do I turn off the raid frames?
18:41.40Znuffwithout going in the config interface
18:43.08ZnuffMessage: ...dOns\ShadowedUF_Indicators\ShadowedUF_Indicators.lua line 594:
18:43.08Znuff<PROTECTED>
18:43.08Znuff:(
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19:00.41Gnarfozsigh
19:00.53Gnarfozwhich hero added made CC4 install Ace3 standalone
19:01.26genetik-CC4?
19:02.55olafskicurse client
19:05.50genetik-oh, right
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19:42.05orionshocksb|work: no the addon dosn't track globally because times on one toon are relatively different from toon to toon with good reason
20:03.08ZnuffShadowed, Typo in ShadowedUF_Indicators.lua:594, name = SL["Delete"] should be name = L["Delete"]
20:07.02Znuffor not :-/
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20:09.29Znuffalso, CurseClient 4 sucks
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20:11.23Pneumatusneg
20:12.13Znuffpositive.
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20:18.58Repo10big-wigs: 03ulic * r6931 Citadel/Festergut.lua: Fix bit flag error reported by Stanzilla
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20:20.47nicoli_swhats your prob with it Znuff?
20:21.05Pneumatusapart from it not showing unknown addons...
20:21.13Znufftoo slow
20:21.30Znuff(the startup)
20:22.06Pneumatushttp://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-v4-windows/tickets/6102-1-of-your-addons-authors-hacked-my-account/
20:22.11Pneumatusthis ^^ :>
20:22.27Znufftakes me like 1.5 minutes to start it
20:22.35KriLL3yes, everyone knows addons hack your accoutn
20:22.37nicoli_slol pneumatus
20:22.40Pneumatusvote it up
20:22.44durcynjiminy fuck, Pneumatus.
20:22.44nevcairielPneumatus: i'm so tempted to just write "It was me, thanks for your stuff"
20:23.10nicoli_sso znuff, startup speed is your only gripe with it?
20:23.17nicoli_swhy not just leave it running?
20:23.44Znuffannoys the shit out of me
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20:24.36arkanes_I like how he set it to "medium" priority
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20:30.07SunTsuZnuff: I like how precise and well thought your critic is ;)
20:30.31Znuffcan't describe my <3 feelings for it, in a raid
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20:38.19Xinhuani'm tempted to vote +3 on that ticket, Pneumatus
20:39.03PrimerAnyone aware of Festergut bugging out?
20:39.10Xinhuanbug, how
20:39.39Stanzillawe just killed it
20:39.40Stanzillawhat bug?
20:39.48PrimerFriend said they "killed" him in 10 man...I was whispering "status" to him during his fight, watched as his percentage went to 0% with everyone alive, then "unknown", to a wipe
20:40.04Primerwith DBM responding
20:40.08Xinhuansonuds more like an addon bug
20:40.09Primerto the "status"
20:40.23Primerno, he said they wiped despite getting him to 0 HP and everyone being alive
20:40.38Primerand then everyone just died
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20:41.32Primeron a separate note, I'm regretting having picked phpnuke for my guild's new web site
20:41.43Primerthe people who coded this thing are fucking morons
20:41.52nevcairielit has php in its name
20:41.57Pneumatusvb4 and a cms frontend
20:41.59Pneumatuseznp
20:42.26Primerthing is, I was able to find most of the things I wanted easily for "nuke"
20:42.39Primerbut there are these little things that are bugging the hell out of me
20:42.52Primerlike not having an option to force approval of all new members
20:47.51arkanes_Primer: that is a common problem with PHP things
20:48.30arkanes_Primer: and we killed (and wiped on him a bunch) last night with no bugs, and nobody in our general was complaining about that
20:48.32pentium166s/PHP things/content management systems/
20:48.49arkanes_it's one of those overlapping circle things
20:48.56arkanes_gant charts
20:48.57arkanes_no
20:49.01Primermeh, web things
20:49.10arkanes_whatever
20:49.11Primerhate web crap...but...it's what I do :/
20:49.19arkanes_I used to be just liek you!
20:49.25arkanes_and now I still hate web crap, but it's not what I do
20:49.26arkanes_so yay
20:50.19Primerwell, I get paid well to do web crap
20:50.23pentium166i went to school to program/do web things and now i make signs, woo
20:50.25Primerand it's crap I can do from home
20:50.30arkanes_venn diagram!
20:50.39arkanes_man I love google, searched for "overlapping circle thing"
20:51.36pentium166i actually made a thing in php once to do gantt charts
20:51.49pentium166it used css to draw the lines, i don't know wtf i was thinking
20:52.21arkanes_yes, you should have used webgl
20:53.18pentium166i mean, the lines ware spans with borders or something
20:53.21pentium166were*
20:53.45arkanes_I would have used tables
20:53.46arkanes_but eh
20:54.36pentium166i don't think there's really a proper way to do a chart like that in html
20:54.36arkanes_anyone hosted their own vent server?
20:55.00arkanes_technically I suppose you should use spans and css table-layout
20:55.17arkanes_but yes it's yet another area where the idea of semantic markup fails
20:55.20chiperI have to agree, I haven't seen a single bundled CMS that didn't have huge flaws
20:55.23pentium166yeah
20:55.28chiperdoesn't matter what language you're in
20:55.40CrazyBennyyou should use html canvas to draw the chart :P
20:56.02arkanes_a better ideal would be putting the raw data into XML and then using XSLT or a similar rendering pipeline to generate HTML (or even svg/canvas) output
20:56.38arkanes_anyway I'm comparing the idea of renting a vent server from one of the licensed guys vs getting a cohosted server and just running vent on that
20:56.51chiperevery time I think about learning how to use canvases that little voice in my head says "what's the point, IE will just fuck it up anyway"
20:56.59pentium166this was like 4-5 years ago though
20:57.02arkanes_I thought there was some sort of licensing issue with running vent servers but I can't find anything about it in the faq?
20:57.34CrazyBennypentium166: with that in mind we would never use any of the cool new stuff
20:57.38Pneumatusyou need a commercial license to run a vent server thats not capped at like 3 users
20:57.40chiperarkanes_: I thought there was too.  don't you need a license to run the server?
20:57.50NivFreak<PROTECTED>
20:57.54NivFreakwow
20:57.56arkanes_thats what I thought, because the client connects to a ventrilo-controlled licensing server
20:58.14arkanes_which seems silly if there is no licensing
20:58.24PneumatusNivFreak: blues aren't always right, and im pretty sure i've heard of people having more than 1
20:58.44pentium166it was supposedly actually used by the guy we made it for as my final project in college
20:59.19NivFreakPneumatus: people have had more than 1, and then not been able to repeat having more than 1
20:59.20pentium166and it did work in IE6, it was just ugly
20:59.22NivFreakin 10s as well
20:59.34Pneumatuswhich means the blue is wrong, regardless
20:59.52chipermy wife reconnected with a friend last night who is apparently using skype for their guild voice chat
20:59.53Pneumatusit can't be working as intended if people have had more than one up
21:00.00arkanes_there's a followup saying that they're tring to reproduce that
21:00.03arkanes_and it's not intended
21:00.52NivFreak<PROTECTED>
21:01.21NivFreak"We are attempting to reproduce the spawning of multiple aboms. It's definitely not intended and will be hotfixed. "
21:02.33yoshimo_arkanes_ , how about testing ts3 beta? i think the licensing method is  a bit better
21:03.58chiperwow, I hadn't read about this fight yet.  putricide sounds awesome
21:04.38ulicarkanes_: http://ventrilo.com/purchase.php
21:05.20yoshimo_i think you have a 512 slot ts3 server for free if you dont earn money with it
21:05.31ulicbasically I think the free on allows for 8 connections at once, but no more, and from what I can tell you won't get a license for personal use.
21:05.57Pneumatusnope, they don't do non-commercial/personal/whatever licenses
21:06.03ulicjust run mumble, http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
21:06.38ulicit's even secure for the security nuts in your guild.
21:07.30yoshimo_5112 bit key to crypt it ? ;)
21:11.01SunTsuulic: I most of the time have problems with mumble - the sound quality is good - if I can understand somebody at all, because it loses packets or such
21:11.45arkanes_I've been looking into mumble
21:12.00arkanes_writing network servers is actually what I do so it's not much of a stretch for me
21:13.13ulicSunTsu: oh really?  I've not used it myself, but I know some in here do and I've been thinking about it.  But I can't get a better priced server than what I'm paying now for vent, and I don't have a server to host it on.
21:14.56arkanes_can mumble accept vent clients?
21:15.04arkanes_I wouldn't think it cant
21:15.44arkanes_oh mumbles not what I was thinknig of
21:16.00ulicI think they all use their own clients pretty much
21:16.01winkilleris happy with TS so far
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21:16.31winkillerchiper: skype sucks, no PTT
21:16.38winkillertotally not cool for raiding imo
21:16.50chiperthats what I was thinking.
21:16.53winkilleryou hear everyone's speakers all the time. and the cat. and the children. and the TV
21:16.56winkillerhorrible
21:17.39steev_l2mute
21:17.46ulicI didn't even know TS3 was out, hadn't looked in a bit.
21:18.01winkillersteev_: where's the sense in using it then? :)
21:18.34steev_the only people you should ever hear talking are the raid leader, the tanks, and possibly healers
21:18.48steev_everyone else just needs to stfu and listen
21:18.49winkillerI disagree
21:19.06chiperno, I agree with steev
21:19.08winkiller"$debuff on $player" is very helpful :)
21:19.12chiperI hate over-talkative vents
21:19.24steev_winkiller: raid leader can announce it
21:19.26winkillerbiut.. 2 tanks, rl, 2 healers is still 5 people
21:19.27steev_if they aren't
21:20.11steev_really though, use dbm and its special announces, and you don't even need tanks to announce
21:20.13winkillerraiding without jokes is moot anyway
21:20.31steev_you want to joke, do it on your time, i came to down bosses
21:20.54ulicnot sure about TS3, but mumble has this cool kinda linked channel deal, so you could group heals and tanks or what not, and they can talk to each other all they like, but the rl can broadcast to all, sounded pretty nifty.
21:21.07steev_anyone tried out axion?
21:21.17steev_i've got it, but i dunno anyone else who does
21:21.27arkanes_some people in our guild tried it
21:21.28arkanes_it's purty
21:21.32chiperulic: is it controlled by tilting your head? *grin*
21:22.06arkanes_but aside from the purty, the gameplay is unspired, the leveling is grindy and the pve endgame is... basic
21:22.22steev_arkanes_: axion - not aion
21:22.26ulicchiper: it took me a second, but Ender's Game right?
21:22.31arkanes_oh
21:22.31steev_dolby axion
21:22.31KriLL3what is an axion?
21:22.31arkanes_I thought you just typoed :P
21:22.33chiperulic: aye
21:22.56ulicchiper: I'm finishing Ender in Exile right now, then I'll be bored until the next book comes out.
21:23.03chiperhah
21:23.04steev_KriLL3: http://axion.dolby.com i think
21:23.11steev_my internets are all screwy currently
21:23.18steev_roommate is futzing around in the firewall
21:23.19chiperi reread them all every few years.
21:23.28durcynCard's still milking that godamn franchise?
21:23.28chiperright now I'm chugging through discworld
21:23.42KriLL3steev_: that site doesn't exist
21:23.57yoshimo_ulic ts3 has a lot of those things and its still improving in beta . im very happy if it is released soon
21:24.41steev_KriLL3: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dolby+axion
21:25.10arkanes_I should look into TS
21:25.23arkanes_although we have a lot of history with vent and I doubt everyone would switch easily
21:25.23chipermilking?  There's 4 ender books and 3 bean books.  that counts as "milking" it?
21:25.38arkanes_yeah kinda
21:26.05arkanes_revisiting a series and writing reintpretations of it after a couple decades when your other stuff isn't selling does feel like milking
21:26.12steev_KriLL3: ahh - its dolby axon
21:26.15chiperTodd McCaffrey's continuation of the Pern series into 20 novels... that's milking it.  The endless Land Before Time series, that's milking it
21:26.18steev_https://axon.dolby.com
21:26.26arkanes_(whether he's milking the series doesn't affect whether they are any good)
21:26.41winkillerDid you mean: dolby axon  Top 2 results shown
21:27.11arkanes_brian herbert is probably the champion milker
21:27.21steev_winkiller: yeah
21:27.57chiperI'll admit that Exile did have a bit of retconning.  Card himself admitted that he had forgotten the story and screwed up
21:29.43chiperbut I look forward to the next book, since it's supposed to answer the question of where Jane went at the end of children of the mind
21:29.53steev_to her happy place
21:30.53asmodaiI read some posting by Card recently and the only thought I had is "this person has lost his marbles"
21:31.21durcynwell, he IS a mormon
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21:31.49arkanes_he can be pretty controversial
21:31.56chiperI don't read his opinion pieces, for exactly that reason
21:32.14arkanes_he mostly avoids the temptation to use his books as petty pullpits for his religious and political views though, so thats a plus in his favor
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21:32.26chiper*nod* mostely
21:32.45chiperI think he's more careful about it now then when he was younger
21:33.19yoshimo_does festergut still have a 5m berserktimr or did they increase it?
21:33.31steev_5 mins in 25
21:33.49arkanes_it's 5 min in 10 also
21:34.01steev_definitely a nice dps check
21:34.23arkanes_he's basically a gear check gatekeeper
21:34.39arkanes_need tough tanks, reasonable DPS, and healers who can switch smoothly between raid & tank heals
21:34.46yoshimo_ah ok, then my guild screwed it up ;)
21:35.01arkanes_rotface is the skill check
21:35.17steev_arkanes_: but the tanks do get to do insane damage with that debuff
21:35.17chiperyeah, we already recognize that festergut will be our stopping block for a while
21:35.17arkanes_unless I have them backwards :\
21:35.29arkanes_yeah it's fun
21:35.33yoshimo_if you say rotface is skillcheck what is putricide?
21:35.39arkanes_yoshimo_: harsh
21:35.47steev_http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/dm5w17dooaspr9nw/sum/damageDone/?s=11122&e=11422
21:35.53chiperwe've only got a handful of dps that can break 6k :(
21:36.10steev_chiper: us too!
21:36.15yoshimo_chiper, how about some more totgc?
21:36.16arkanes_unless you have 3 tanks or a bubble or something there's an effective 4 minute timer anyway
21:36.29arkanes_since thats when your tanks will explode
21:36.57arkanes_we got him with a sloppy dead-tank 3% DPS kite on our 4th pull or so
21:37.15arkanes_the fights pretty simple mechanically though, we'll do it clean next week
21:37.39chipermore, heh.  we have yet to down beasts on 25 totgc, and most of our raiders are sick of ToC period'
21:37.40arkanes_rotface is harder, we ended up needing to call for time before we got him
21:38.25arkanes_we wiped more times on stinky than on fester :P
21:39.15arkanes_trying to figure out how to finesse the mechanic before we just brute healed through it
21:41.54arkanes_hmm
21:42.08arkanes_I wonder how viable having a DPS tank fester for the first inhale would be
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21:43.35NeoTronour 10 man failed to get rotface but got fester on the 2nd try with a 3% first wipe due to tank death
21:44.43arkanes_he hits hard
21:44.56arkanes_you 2 or 3 heal it?
21:47.10arkanes_haha, blue post re: putricide vs saurfang difficulty: He's what we classify as a "freebie." That's the highly technical design term. He's there so you can say "At least we got Saurfang." It works, trust me.
21:47.34NeoTron... lol?
21:47.36NeoTronhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22419022824&sid=1#9
21:47.47NeoTronwe 3 healed rotface
21:47.53NeoTron2 healed festergut
21:48.10Pneumatusjust 6healed festergut :o
21:48.51NeoTronPneumatus: well 10 man
21:48.53NeoTron25 man tonight
21:49.11NeoTronbut damn man. 341k mana restored by JoW in a <5m fight with the shadow's edge wpn
21:49.15NeoTronhai bug!
21:49.25arkanes_.. oh my goodness
21:49.33arkanes_we need to get our DK tank one of those
21:49.38Pneumatuswe've got a DK getting the first one so we don't get that proclolzing
21:49.47Pneumatusalthough
21:49.55Pneumatusdoes it multipleytrigger JoL?
21:50.02arkanes_from that description, it's the judgment proc hitting
21:50.03NeoTronPneumatus: it's when you hit the target
21:50.13NeoTronso it affects all classes equally
21:50.34Pneumatuswell, for pallies at least you benefit from JoL and JoW bugging :P
21:50.51NeoTronwell true. but JoL + dk tank? hello invincitank
21:50.53arkanes_we don't do 25 until monday though so I'm sure it will be hotfixed by then
21:50.57NeoTronobviously will be fixed but alas
21:51.02NeoTroncomical issue
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22:23.13steev_NeoTron: you mean dk tanks aren't invinci already? :-P
22:23.36NeoTroncorrect
22:23.42NeoTronthey are like, what, the weakest tanks atm?
22:26.11Primeryeah, it sucks
22:26.39Primerwe dual DK tanked ICC 10 last night
22:26.42PrimerFestergut sucked
22:26.55Primer"Ok, lets try 9 stacks"
22:26.58Primergot to 8...died
22:32.03Repo10dungeonmate: 03eblume * r53 DungeonMate.lua: AceConfig now working, still needs fleshing out.
22:33.17Primerblue post in that thread is fail
22:37.57GnarfozPrimer: that stack# was not relevant to your dying, tho?
22:38.27arkanes_yeah, the stack # doesnt affect damage taken
22:38.37arkanes_it's just his inhales
22:38.39Gnarfozthat being my point
22:38.39Gnarfozheh
22:38.42Primerstacks on ME
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22:38.52Gnarfozyes, the stacks on you don't affect how fast you die
22:38.53Primeryou know, get to 10 stacks, blow up?
22:38.57Gnarfozwell...
22:38.58Gnarfozthat
22:39.04Primeruhhh
22:39.06Gnarfozbut you said you died at 8 :P
22:39.07arkanes_one way in which it can have an incidental effect is if you end up needing to switch during third inhale stack
22:39.16Primermy understanding was that it DOES affect you
22:39.22arkanes_your damage output
22:39.22Gnarfozit increases your dmg output
22:39.25Primerthe more stacks, the more damage you take
22:39.29arkanes_incoming damage is only affect by his stacks
22:39.53arkanes_it's easy to be mislead during the fight, because you'll be hitting high stacks at the same time he gets his third inhale
22:39.54Primererr, pretty sure I read the tooltip...every stack is 10% more damage taken
22:40.00arkanes_nope
22:40.02Gnarfozread again, it's not.
22:40.03Gnarfoz:D
22:40.14Primerthen why was I taking progressively more damage?
22:40.19Primerhis stacks?
22:40.24Gnarfozyes
22:40.28arkanes_every time he inhales, he hits 30% harder *and* 30% faster
22:40.32Gnarfozhe gains +30% dmg and +30% attack speed per stack
22:40.35Primergoes to tankspot.com
22:40.38arkanes_at 3 stacks is a .9 second swing timer and 20-25k hits
22:40.54Gnarfozjust read the tooltip ;)
22:40.59arkanes_it is extremely rough healing and especially for DKs you'll want to chain CDs as much as possible
22:41.17arkanes_basically the fight is a transition from raid damage to tank damage and back
22:41.19Gnarfozhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=71912 < his buffs
22:41.20Gnarfozhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=72219 < yours
22:41.27arkanes_healers need to be very much on the ball for that transition
22:42.47Primerwell, I was told "pop your talents/trinks when he gets 3"
22:42.56PrimerI was at 8, he was at 2
22:43.03Gnarfozand that makes sense, too =)
22:43.06arkanes_Primer: wrong he :P
22:43.08PrimerI guess the healers weren't doing their jobs
22:43.27arkanes_it might not be that
22:43.37arkanes_it's a gear check, and a rough one
22:43.45Gnarfozthat's possible. if you switch at 8/9, it'll quite certainly be the 2nd tank who'll have to blow his cooldowns first
22:43.47Primermeh, it was 2 AM, and I was already on the pull after the "this is my last pull" pull
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22:44.06Gnarfozyou'll have to use yours when you take over from him again
22:44.06arkanes_like a lot of gear checks, perfect raid comp and very tight play can compensate for a lot though
22:44.06Gnarfoz...or something
22:44.15Primermy DK tank is very well geared
22:44.17arkanes_like if you have enough CDs to chain through the full 3 stack, the damage becomes quite managable
22:44.23Primerwell, I think he is
22:44.55arkanes_if you have no external CDs at all, then you have to just power through it and pray to the avoidance gods
22:45.17Primerwhich I have 20% less of
22:45.18Gnarfozdodge, dodge, parry, dodge, DEAD HAHA
22:45.19Gnarfoz:<
22:45.20arkanes_Primer: 30k incoming DPS is no joke
22:45.22Primerdie to being in ICC
22:45.34PrimerI had 53k HP raid buffed
22:45.40Gnarfozwe chain shield wall and HoS+GS
22:45.48Gnarfozor... something
22:46.01arkanes_I tank it with a DK ot
22:46.14Primerget to about 63 or so with VB + Heart of Iron (yes, I have a 226 still)
22:46.16arkanes_he died :(
22:46.19Primererr
22:46.22Primernot HoI
22:46.24PrimerSatrina's
22:46.26arkanes_heck I still use black heart
22:46.35arkanes_I'm not a gearscore jerk
22:46.46Primerit's not about gearscore
22:46.51PrimerHoI has more stam
22:47.00arkanes_armor helps a ton
22:47.00Primerplus the use gives a nice boost to avoidance
22:47.12arkanes_the triumph trinket is good too
22:47.24arkanes_bonus armor frost badge pieces are nice if you have them
22:47.27Primerwell, I'll be replacing HoI with the frost badge trinket
22:47.45arkanes_3 healing it makes a big difference too
22:47.46PrimerI've yet to do one random heroic with that guy...been lazy
22:47.56arkanes_whats your healer makeup like?
22:48.03Primerwe swtiched to 2
22:48.10Primerpally and holy priest
22:48.17Primer3rd was a sham, who went enhance
22:48.31arkanes_you were hitting the enrage?
22:48.39arkanes_earth shield is *really* good
22:48.47Primerexcept the other 2 healers had no DPS specs
22:49.02Primerheh, first tank usually died before 10 stacks
22:49.08Primererr 9
22:49.20PrimerI think the pally was drunk though
22:49.45arkanes_well that can certainly hurt you :P
22:49.58arkanes_if you had a pally, you should have had hand of sac and raidwall for chaining though
22:50.10arkanes_so with some coordination you should be able to make it
22:50.20Primerthen again, it was late, I was tired, as we others, and I didn't even want to pull that boss, but got talked into doing 3 pulls
22:50.34Primers/we others/were others/
22:51.02Primerplus I wasn't flasked :)
22:51.05Primeris cheap
22:51.17arkanes_I actually did it with no well fed, no flask, and no stam buff
22:51.18Primeryet I had 1.6k more HP than the other DK who was
22:51.31arkanes_although granted I did die
22:51.34Primerother DK tank, that is
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23:03.07Repo10little-wigs: 03ulic * r717 Dalaran/The_Violet_Hold.lua: Corrected error reported by cardo1410
23:06.15Repo10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r6932 Citadel/Locales/frFR.lua: frFR Update
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23:16.26RepoMinor tweaks to make things less annoying while I wrap my head around these modules sometime soon (tm).
23:16.43Pneumatusless annoying yes!
23:17.11vhaarrdon't worry I will get the modules in shape as soon as I can
23:17.36steev_Bruners: btw, your oUF layout - the LFD icons are... interesting
23:18.21WobWorksteev_: screenshot?
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23:34.52Kaeltenif anyone wants to venture and test my internal mac build
23:35.04Kaeltenof the client
23:35.10Kaeltenhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/289359/Curse%20Client-XMLTestBuild.zip
23:36.26Repo10big-wigs: 037destiny * r6935 Citadel/Festergut.lua: Fix Gastric Bloat
23:38.06NeoTronis it more like the windows build? :P
23:38.14KaeltenNeoTron: lol
23:38.40KaeltenNeoTron: nope my code still looks like projects = [[coder decodeObjectForKey:@"projects"] retain];
23:38.45Kaeltennot C#
23:38.48NeoTronas in like useful? ;-) (actually with useful I mean syncing and the tools stuff)
23:38.59KaeltenI'm still concentrating on core features
23:39.10Kaeltenand making it a really solid and fast core
23:39.12NeoTronI don't really use the mac to play on
23:39.20Kaeltenthis new one speeds up xml parsing 15 to 30 times
23:39.42Kaeltenso that's no longer a significant strain on time and cpu
23:42.21Kaeltenanywho gotta run
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23:45.20nicoli_she lies! hes not running, hes driving
23:49.15Chosianyone got 3 google wave invites left?
23:56.44NeoTronI got an invite, signed up, looked at it for 2 minutes and decided I don't need it and don't care about it :P

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