| 00:08.58 | Repo | 10analyst: 03Bethink * r65 / (2 files in 1 directory): Support item stacks up to 9999 |
| 00:08.58 | koaschten | ok, this is semi confusing |
| 00:09.10 | koaschten | i am in a raid set to 25 man normal |
| 00:09.25 | koaschten | outside of the instance grid correctly displays 25 /w pets |
| 00:09.43 | koaschten | if i enter the instance (sunwell plateau mind you) it switches to 10 /w pets? |
| 00:11.31 | Repo | 10sexygroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v0.4-beta-7-ga26110e / (4 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 00:11.33 | Repo | a26110e: Moved gear/gem/enchant checks to their own function so party/raid summary can be added |
| 00:11.34 | Repo | 7045ad1: Flagged ranged weapons as unenchantable by all classes except Hunters |
| 00:11.35 | Repo | ff6ff50: Redid the gem and enchant tooltips, they now list by item what is wrong with them rather than by enchant/slot type |
| 00:11.37 | Repo | 500ce5a: Fixed a bug causing gear to not show up unless you inspected twice |
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| 00:33.37 | harl | is there a way to make InlineAura and/or OmniCC work with Macaroon the same way they do with all the addons that, like cling to the blizzard code more? |
| 00:34.06 | Adremma | koaschten: Sunwell only has one difficulty, so the actual difficulty setting might be adjusting when you enter? |
| 00:34.40 | steev | hm, according to wowwiki, http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Remove_Blizzard_Default_Frames |
| 00:35.04 | steev | the very last one - MainMenuExpBar:Hide() - when i try running that... it doesn't hide the bar |
| 00:35.10 | harl | or: whom should I address to ask for either support of the other addon(s)? |
| 00:37.00 | Tuller | omnicc probably already works, inline aura is the more tricky one, maybe :P |
| 00:37.27 | steev | what am i missing for hiding the bar? I've tried adding it in to an addon's lua file, as well as running it via /script - neither seems to work |
| 00:37.46 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1174 Data/Druid.lua: |
| 00:37.48 | Repo | - Rend and Tear now correctly applies crit chance instead of damage to Ferocious Bite |
| 00:38.30 | harl | hm |
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| 00:40.16 | Kuosi | would also see inline aura being more complicated |
| 00:40.58 | Tuller | more to the point, I think macaroon has its own built in version of cooldown count |
| 00:45.44 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r89 Core.lua: Now properly detect totems of any rank. |
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| 00:54.50 | harl | yes, it has, but i don't find it as useful as inlineaura has been to me with bongos/dominos |
| 00:55.04 | harl | or the default bars for that matter |
| 00:58.22 | harl | or, better, still is, since i'm using dominos in a parallel kind of way |
| 00:58.54 | harl | it's just that 18+36 macros the game itself allows are not enough for all my characters |
| 00:59.40 | harl | and can't be click-combined without creating single macros for every button. d'uh. |
| 01:06.11 | Repo | 10fishing-ace: 03Sutorix * r100 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 01:06.13 | Repo | FishingAce: Use both ITEM_LOCK_CHANGED and PLAYER_EQUIPMENT_CHANGED, update LibFishing |
| 01:12.41 | steev | MainMenuBarLeftEndCap:Hide() works (to hide gryphon(s)) - MainMenuExpBar:Hide() does not |
| 01:12.44 | Repo | 10fishing-ace: 03Sutorix 04Release-0.4.5i * r101 : Tagging as Release-0.4.5i |
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| 02:00.06 | pompy | wonder when blizz is gonna fix the ignore list bug |
| 02:04.24 | haste | when someone reports it (tm) |
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| 02:21.34 | digmouse | What is the _G localized entry for Focus frame? in languages other than English _G.FOCUS returns the energy type Focus not the Focus frame |
| 02:26.09 | Tuller | FocusFrame? |
| 02:26.24 | Yssaril | ulic: ping |
| 02:26.58 | Tuller | BINDING_NAME_FOCUSTARGET |
| 02:43.27 | Repo | 10autoroller: 03Mecdemort * r45 AutoRoller.lua: Remove accidental globals. |
| 02:43.29 | Repo | Added tags: green, blue, purple booleans for item quality; silver, gold for item value: (9.53 * gold) instead of 95300 |
| 02:45.50 | ulic | Yssaril: pong |
| 02:46.39 | Yssaril | ulic: you mind if i commit an update to Broker_LFD that adds how long you have been queued to the LDB text? |
| 02:47.17 | ulic | I think in teh tooltip like BG queue would be more appropriate, but no I don't. |
| 02:47.32 | ulic | some day I'm gonna get some options so people can choose what to show in the text. |
| 02:48.17 | Yssaril | i like it on the text personaly :) since then i know how long its already been without having to stop what i'm doing and mosue over the plugin :) |
| 02:48.29 | Ingelagr | wtb that option Yssaril |
| 02:48.31 | Ingelagr | =) |
| 02:48.45 | ulic | I've just been to busy to work much on it |
| 02:48.59 | Ingelagr | http://pici.se/pictures/jtXemHgzy.jpg |
| 02:49.02 | Ingelagr | i had this problem btw |
| 02:49.11 | Yssaril | will see if nothing blows up in my next pug and then commit it :) |
| 02:49.51 | Ingelagr | does that happen for you too sometimes? |
| 02:49.58 | Ingelagr | or is it my titan panel that's broken ro something |
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| 02:50.41 | Kalroth | you may have to be a little more specific than that :) |
| 02:51.01 | Ingelagr | check the mose over |
| 02:51.02 | Ingelagr | mouse |
| 02:51.03 | Ingelagr | on tank |
| 02:51.17 | Kalroth | oh, that's a broken color code |
| 02:51.25 | Kalroth | typo in the translation text |
| 02:51.37 | ulic | I think that might be blizzard returning odd values actually |
| 02:51.38 | Ingelagr | ulic, fix! |
| 02:51.55 | Kalroth | feff00 would be a very odd value :p |
| 02:52.56 | ulic | next time you see it try a "/dump select(9, GetLFGQueueStats()) |
| 02:53.43 | Ingelagr | roger that |
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| 02:54.12 | ulic | if any of those return with - in them it's probably blizzard |
| 02:54.49 | ulic | I'm about to LFD with my tank, I'll watch for it. |
| 02:55.08 | Ingelagr | oh yeah i should mention i've seen it with all3 of them |
| 02:55.10 | Ingelagr | same message |
| 02:55.56 | ulic | hehe, I queued instantly :) |
| 02:56.06 | ulic | interesting |
| 02:56.07 | Ingelagr | :D |
| 03:01.56 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6907 Citadel (14 files in 1 directory): Citadel: cleanups/tweaks |
| 03:03.43 | Ingelagr | Yssaril, write me a proper stnad alone xp bar addon |
| 03:03.50 | Ingelagr | you can get a hug <3 |
| 03:04.08 | Yssaril | Ingelagr: bah no need just use the broker one :P |
| 03:04.17 | Ingelagr | oh is there a broker one?!?!!? |
| 03:04.25 | Ingelagr | or wait |
| 03:04.28 | Ingelagr | you mean like yeah |
| 03:04.32 | Ingelagr | i want it as the bakground |
| 03:04.33 | Ingelagr | on broker |
| 03:04.45 | Ingelagr | like the whole bar as a bagkrund |
| 03:04.47 | Ingelagr | bakground |
| 03:25.48 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03yssaril * r27 Broker_LFD.lua: |
| 03:25.50 | Repo | add timer to the broker text (this shows you how long you have been in the queue) |
| 03:27.03 | Yssaril | ulic: if you wanna check out that commit and tag at your discression :) |
| 03:29.10 | Ingelagr | wtb old discord addons |
| 03:29.14 | Ingelagr | they where so awesome |
| 03:29.35 | Yssaril | Ingelagr: stop living in the past |
| 03:29.53 | Ingelagr | i'll do that when i get a proper addon to fix my rep bar! |
| 03:31.45 | ulic | ah ha |
| 03:31.49 | ulic | I see what is happening |
| 03:32.05 | ulic | the wait time is actually -1, and that's screwing it up |
| 03:32.09 | Torhal | Ingelagr: Fix how? |
| 03:32.55 | ulic | probably a hack to treat -1 as 0 |
| 03:32.59 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6908 Citadel (8 files in 2 directories): |
| 03:33.00 | Repo | Citadel/Gunship: Add a minor module to warn for incoming mages. |
| 03:33.41 | Ingelagr | Torhal: I want a regular xp bar. I want x/y placements, i want statusbar backgrounds from sharedmedia, i want to be able to chose what color it is, what rested is, what background color is. I want to be able to show the information that i want (xp to level, xp to level, or faction for rep and so on) and where to show that |
| 03:34.02 | Ingelagr | like, left, right, center and so on on the text placements |
| 03:34.13 | Ingelagr | i want to able to change font on the texts |
| 03:34.23 | Ingelagr | so far i had no luck with any of that or partly of anything |
| 03:34.27 | Torhal | Ingelagr: Minus the SharedMedia stuff, Try eXperitia |
| 03:34.44 | Ingelagr | i can "hack" statusbar backgrounds |
| 03:35.06 | Ingelagr | hmm it's not on curse, maybe that's why i missed it |
| 03:35.10 | Ingelagr | thanks Torhal i'll look into it |
| 03:36.42 | Ingelagr | i think i tried every addon that have "xp" in its name on curse |
| 03:36.46 | Ingelagr | or "experiecne" |
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| 03:38.13 | Ingelagr | ok Torhal experitia alreayd failed |
| 03:38.18 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:38.25 | Ingelagr | max width 2000 and no scale |
| 03:38.29 | Torhal | Eww. |
| 03:40.10 | Ingelagr | and one million other things i wnat to change : |
| 03:40.12 | Ingelagr | gaahhh |
| 03:42.57 | Nechckn | Ingelagr not sure of the maximums, but http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4849-XPBarNone.html works quite nicely for my XP/Rep bar needs |
| 03:43.34 | Ingelagr | by the pics it's the best so far, thanks Nechckn |
| 03:44.12 | Nechckn | based on what you wanted, it should be about the best afaik. Good luck with it! |
| 03:44.15 | Ingelagr | oh wait, think i already used that |
| 03:44.35 | Ingelagr | i'll give it anotehr try |
| 03:49.16 | Ingelagr | gahh it's missing so many options |
| 03:51.58 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6909 Citadel/Marrowgar.lua: |
| 03:52.00 | Repo | Citadel/Marrowgar: Add an 8 second timer bar for spiked players. |
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| 04:03.40 | Torhal | Ingelagr: You say "missing options" as though there was an AddOn which had them... |
| 04:03.55 | Ingelagr | haha yeah :D |
| 04:05.33 | Ingelagr | well i mean like things that should be there |
| 04:05.38 | Ingelagr | wowace should write some kind of addon standard |
| 04:05.50 | Ingelagr | x/y pos, width, height, scale and so on |
| 04:05.50 | Nechckn | Of what you listed, it is only lacking external media but has a decent supply of skins. you can set the colors, adjust width/height, et cetera. What else are you missing? |
| 04:06.10 | Ingelagr | i can't change the font |
| 04:06.12 | Ingelagr | for one |
| 04:07.09 | Nechckn | okay, that would fall under the shared media thing, that, apparently, none of the current ones supports. The rest of the things you said you wanted appear to be there. |
| 04:07.11 | Ingelagr | i can't put a text in the far right |
| 04:07.21 | Ingelagr | or in the center |
| 04:07.30 | Ingelagr | regular rep color seems to be missing |
| 04:08.51 | Ingelagr | and why is nobody adding x/y pos?! that's most best thing ever :S who can place something where they want it by mouse |
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| 04:09.24 | Ingelagr | maybe i'm just too picky |
| 04:09.34 | Groktar | we were wiping on beasts in 25 man |
| 04:09.43 | Groktar | and we managed to all get out |
| 04:09.45 | Ingelagr | as a side note to my whine Groktar ? :D |
| 04:09.49 | Groktar | a paladin bubble hearthed at the end |
| 04:09.50 | Groktar | :D |
| 04:09.56 | Nechckn | Main options allows you to place text on the bar |
| 04:09.56 | Groktar | nobody got saved |
| 04:10.03 | Nechckn | "Text Position" |
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| 04:10.23 | Ingelagr | yeah but i want faction name to the left, how much missing to the right |
| 04:10.31 | Ingelagr | so they kinda needs to be splitted |
| 04:10.38 | Ingelagr | or tons of blanks =D |
| 04:11.59 | Ingelagr | only thing i can remember here is that discord used to have exactly everything i ask for |
| 04:12.08 | Ingelagr | fucking discord, fucked my standards for an addon for life =( |
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| 04:21.46 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6910 Citadel/Marrowgar.lua: |
| 04:21.48 | Repo | Citadel/Marrowgar: Change bonestorm reschedule to start after bonestorm finishes to reduce onscreen bars. |
| 04:23.25 | Groktar | discord was before the time of secure frames tho |
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| 04:28.11 | Groktar | this is so bad |
| 04:28.17 | Groktar | i'm getting soulstoned every pull |
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| 04:36.36 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6911 Coliseum/Anubarak.lua: |
| 04:36.38 | Repo | Coliseum/Anubarak: Change the penetrating cold warning to display affected targets. Ticket #161. |
| 04:42.34 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic * r28 Broker_LFD.lua: Possible fix for when wait time is -1 |
| 04:44.51 | WobWork | Groktar: 15min between each pull? |
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| 04:50.38 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6912 Plugins/Proximity.lua: |
| 04:50.39 | Repo | Plugins/Proximity: Bugfix proximity not closing when clicking the X button. |
| 05:04.31 | Repo | 10iociconfix: 03Shefki 07master * v0.1-2-g3bc4f23 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 05:04.33 | Repo | 3bc4f23: Fixed some transparency issues with my texture. Should match what the |
| 05:04.34 | Repo | 3e9e8cd: Fix the icons on the Minimap. Thanks to Saiket on WoWI for pointing me |
| 05:09.51 | Repo | 10pass-loot: 03Odlaw * r96 PassLoot.toc: localization update. |
| 05:15.05 | Groktar | so our gm met his girlfriend through wow |
| 05:15.19 | Groktar | and he's flying out to meet her on thur |
| 05:15.24 | Groktar | and she won't let him play when he's there |
| 05:16.45 | Shefki | Seems like a good idea. It might be tempting to just play the game the whole time and then you wouldn't get to spend time other than you normally would... |
| 05:17.12 | Groktar | the problem is that she quit wow when 3.0 came out |
| 05:17.35 | Bribri | incoming gm quitting in 5..4...3... |
| 05:17.47 | Groktar | it was funny when she was still playing and her would visit |
| 05:17.50 | Shefki | Ohh well.. |
| 05:17.53 | Groktar | hearing them on vent together |
| 05:18.00 | Odlaw | my gm quit raiding too.. think it might have had something to do with the gf that was in guild.. she quit with him |
| 05:18.03 | Repo | 10dungeonmate: 03eblume 040.3 * r29 : Tagging as 0.3 |
| 05:18.23 | Groktar | he came back about two weeks before 3.1 |
| 05:18.29 | Groktar | maybe a month |
| 05:20.05 | Groktar | anyway, i'm so confused on twins |
| 05:20.15 | Groktar | we find it's easier to tank them on top of each other |
| 05:20.32 | Groktar | and as a furry warrior i get to spam cleave |
| 05:20.37 | Groktar | and somehow i got outcleaved by a feral |
| 05:20.38 | Groktar | : |
| 05:20.39 | Groktar | :/ |
| 05:29.50 | quiescens | excuses |
| 05:30.58 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1175 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 05:31.00 | Repo | - Corrected an error with Death Knight and possibly warrior Two-Handed Weapon Specialization as they seem to behave different than the pally one on some abilities |
| 05:31.20 | Groktar | no quiescens, i'm not making excuses |
| 05:31.25 | Groktar | i'm saying i should have owned him |
| 05:31.29 | Groktar | and i don't know why i didn't |
| 05:31.32 | quiescens | sure sure |
| 05:34.58 | Repo | 10iociconfix: 03Shefki 04v0.3 * b0ac3ef /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.3 |
| 05:39.11 | Shefki | Well that resolves that stupid Blizzard bug completely. :) |
| 05:40.13 | quiescens | what stupid blizzard bug? |
| 05:40.34 | Shefki | Isle of Conquest not showing the objectives on the map. |
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| 06:13.05 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1176 Data/Hunter.lua: |
| 06:13.07 | Repo | - Fixed Ranged Weapon Specialization applying incorrectly to a few abilities |
| 06:17.56 | Gagorian | Sigh, the keylogger spammers have a new site again they're spamming (www dot bartender4 dot com, obviously don't go there) |
| 06:19.26 | Shefki | Ohh aren't they smart. |
| 06:21.01 | Gagorian | Although they claim it's an automatic mining addon |
| 06:21.34 | WobWork | it automatically mines your login and password? |
| 06:22.32 | Torhal | Gagorian: They ALWAYS claim it's an automatic mining addon. That's the most prolific spam Curse has, and should have been eliminated long ago with a simple word filter. |
| 06:22.41 | Gagorian | Indeed |
| 06:22.45 | Gagorian | I was about to ask about that |
| 06:22.51 | Shefki | I stopped reporting those. |
| 06:22.59 | Gagorian | But I figured that since it hasn't been implemented there's a reason for it |
| 06:23.06 | Shefki | It spams my mailbox when they do something about it to boot. |
| 06:23.23 | Gagorian | Yeah I reported them at some point but I got spammed like mad as well |
| 06:23.33 | Gagorian | Now I just delete the ones that appear in my project |
| 06:23.44 | Gagorian | I delete a few every week |
| 06:24.05 | Gagorian | Would be way cooler if that spam could be filtered out, since it's rather generic like Torhal said |
| 06:24.23 | Torhal | WTB LibDataBroker:RemoveDataObject() |
| 06:24.25 | Gagorian | Could easily add the new spammer sites always when they come up with a new domain |
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| 06:25.55 | Torhal | tekkub: Foo! |
| 06:26.41 | quiescens | bar! |
| 06:27.17 | Shefki | baz! |
| 06:27.25 | Torhal | manpage! |
| 06:27.44 | Shefki | Torhal you bastard you broke the pattern. |
| 06:28.07 | Torhal | Actually, I was simply stating where the pattern is most often found. |
| 06:28.41 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian 041.7.3_beta-1 * r1177 : Tagging as 1.7.3_beta-1 |
| 06:30.37 | Repo | 10travelagent: 03Torhal 07master * beta5-4-g2942e2e TravelAgent.lua: [+4 commits] |
| 06:30.39 | Repo | 2942e2e: Added creation of the coordinate datafeed when toggling the option on. Unfortunately, the inverse is not possible under LibDataBroker. |
| 06:30.40 | Repo | 41f0f8d: Added second LDB feed for coordinates, re-wrote GetCoords() and some of the config to reflect this. |
| 06:30.42 | Repo | 34ae766: Moved initialization of DataObj into TravelAgent:OnEnable(), and made it use LDB_OnX(). Removed LDB_TEXT cache. |
| 06:30.43 | Repo | 6fdddb5: Added LDB_OnClick(), LDB_OnEnter(), and LDB_OnLeave() since TravelAgent will have two feeds which will have identical controls/tooltips. |
| 06:44.12 | Repo | 10sexygroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v0.4-beta-11-g92e70be / (5 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 06:44.14 | Repo | 92e70be: Added default so database viewer is expanded to start |
| 06:44.15 | Repo | 059b74c: Player viewer position is now saved when dragging (Right click + drag to reset) |
| 06:44.16 | Repo | 6095394: Added media/ folder, moved question sound there |
| 06:44.17 | Repo | 17caedd: Fixed old slider labels showing if they were recycled from being used by another addon |
| 06:48.01 | Repo | 10travelagent: 03Torhal 07master * beta5-5-g896cae1 TravelAgent.lua: [+1 commit] Added the current zone's level range to the Miscellaneous section of the tooltip, and moved the current continent from the 6th column to the 5th so it's more in-line with the rest of the tooltip when expanded. |
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| 07:58.18 | Torhal | Drak'Tharon Keep seems to exist in two zones simultaneously. |
| 07:58.42 | Torhal | If you walk in from Zul'Drak, it's there. If you walk in from Grizzly Hills, it registers as being there. |
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| 08:49.59 | Repo | 10libtourist-3-0: 03Torhal * r96 LibTourist-3.0.lua: (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 08:50.01 | Repo | Corrected coordinates for "Wailing Caverns". |
| 08:50.03 | Repo | Corrected coordinates for "Naxxramas". |
| 08:50.04 | Repo | Added "Drak'Tharon Keep" to the instances and paths for "Zul'Drak". |
| 08:50.05 | Repo | Added "Zul'Drak" to the paths for "Drak'Tharon Keep". |
| 08:53.06 | Arrowmaster | did they mess with the zones around DTK |
| 08:55.01 | Repo | 10travelagent: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.0-1.0.0 TravelAgent.lua: [+1 commit] Selection of an instance to make a TomTom waypoint is now done anywhere on its line, instead of only by its name. |
| 08:55.08 | Repo | 10travelagent: 03Torhal 043.3.0-1.0.0 * 844fbc6 /: [new tag] Tagging as 3.3.0-1.0.0 |
| 08:55.42 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: You can get to DTK from both Grizzly and Zul'drak, and depending on which way you enter it registers as being in either zone. |
| 08:56.17 | Arrowmaster | the zone changed event doesnt fire before you get to the portal? |
| 08:56.36 | Arrowmaster | or is there something else you are referring to |
| 08:57.11 | Torhal | It doesn't fire |
| 08:57.28 | Torhal | So DTK is apparently in both zones simultaneously |
| 08:57.57 | Arrowmaster | lore wise its in grizzly hills though |
| 08:58.23 | Arrowmaster | and previously i know the zone changed event would fire before you got to the portal when entering from zuldrak |
| 09:00.04 | Torhal | I'm having TravelAgent update its info on ZONE_CHANGED, ZONE_CHANGED_INDOORS, and ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA and none of them makes the main zone change when I enter form either direction |
| 09:00.14 | Torhal | from* |
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| 09:02.06 | Myrroddin | Dessa, thank you for helping localize SmartRes2 |
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| 09:06.45 | Groktar | swine flu Myrroddin |
| 09:07.22 | Myrroddin | ewwwww get shots! |
| 09:08.38 | Groktar | sars Myrroddin, too |
| 09:09.06 | Myrroddin | are you trying to give them to me? :-P |
| 09:09.49 | Groktar | dalek Myrroddin |
| 09:10.07 | Myrroddin | i am not a dalek! cyclon, maybe |
| 09:10.18 | Myrroddin | *cylon |
| 09:11.09 | Groktar | pretty sure daleks would smash the cylons |
| 09:11.52 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r90 Core.lua: Properly hook Dominos totem buttons. |
| 09:11.55 | Repo | Fixed a nil error related to totem detection. |
| 09:12.32 | Torhal | Groktar: Until they resurrected! |
| 09:14.29 | Groktar | 1 dalek > resurrection hub |
| 09:15.32 | Myrroddin | 1 Spartan > 1 Dalek and i am a cyclon spartan |
| 09:17.16 | Groktar | psh, sparta fell to a bunch of dudes with spears |
| 09:17.33 | Groktar | daleks are pretty much invincible |
| 09:17.38 | orionshock | Anyone in here use SickOfClickingDailies on several toons? im looking for a screen shot of the alt module tooltip with several toons listed on it. |
| 09:22.58 | Myrroddin | once my alts, or at least one of them, gets to level 80, i was thinking of getting SOCD, but right now, i only do dailies on one toon. sorry.... i'm no help |
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| 09:32.40 | orionshock | Myrroddin: even for one toon SOCD is rather nice :) |
| 09:35.29 | Myrroddin | anybody know frFR, zhTW, zhCN, koKR, ruRU and willing to help translate smartres2? |
| 09:35.53 | Myrroddin | deDE and enUS seem to be taken care of... |
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| 09:42.16 | orionshock | web app and wait Myrroddin |
| 09:42.39 | Myrroddin | already done. just throwing it out there :) |
| 09:44.55 | Myrroddin | anyway, going to watch some dollhouse, then bedtime |
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| 09:58.37 | Fisker | i won the game Groktar |
| 09:58.39 | Fisker | fear me |
| 09:59.32 | SunTsu | casts fear on Fisker |
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| 10:04.55 | Torhal | Fisker: You killed yourself? |
| 10:05.41 | sb|work | awww 2 more days till new doctor who :o |
| 10:05.43 | sb|work | morning |
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| 10:06.48 | SunTsu | Torhal: naw, then everybody else had won the game |
| 10:07.03 | Fisker | yes Torhal |
| 10:07.19 | Fisker | but it wasn't until i had pulled onyxia into a raid |
| 10:08.08 | Torhal | Woo |
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| 10:16.26 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2785 / (26 files in 3 directories): cleanup |
| 10:17.10 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r6913 Citadel/Locales/frFR.lua: frFR Update |
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| 10:37.11 | Wobin | Does anyone know wtf DJJeff is on about? =P |
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| 10:44.06 | sb|work | wtf rankwatch is great :p |
| 10:44.48 | sb|work | 11:33:30 [Mordac]: [RankWatch] Hykanic used Holy Shock Rank 5. Max rank at level 80 is 7. <-- haha :p |
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| 10:54.51 | Repo | 10buffremover: 03crassy 04v1.0 * r6 : Tagging as v1.0 |
| 10:55.52 | Wobin | sb|work, he was clearly downranking =P |
| 10:56.07 | sb|work | Wobin: yup... :p |
| 10:56.49 | SunTsu | Hey, downranking is a good thing, or so they always told me! |
| 10:57.00 | sb|work | well i downloaded that addon for fun today (was mentioned on mmo-c) - never thought anyone really does (stupid!) downranking theese days :o |
| 10:57.03 | Wobin | remembers the days of downranking |
| 10:57.23 | Wobin | it was kinda cool to have to judge heals by what deficit you had there |
| 10:57.25 | sb|work | brutallus :p |
| 10:57.38 | Wobin | nowadays it's just overhealspam =P |
| 10:57.52 | Wobin | and hope your mana pool holds out |
| 10:58.13 | SunTsu | sb|work: it happened to me with my pally, too, dual specc retri/holy and first thing in an instance after switching specc to holy I had to adjust every spell, because ranks changed... |
| 10:58.30 | Wobin | they do? |
| 10:58.44 | SunTsu | Wobin: yeah, during leveling they normally do ;) |
| 10:58.50 | Wobin | oh because you levelled without updating the bars |
| 10:59.07 | sb|work | ah, so dualspec while leveling is bad, right? |
| 10:59.10 | SunTsu | yeah, right, I was used to ranks adjusting automatically |
| 10:59.15 | sb|work | because other specs bars dont get updated |
| 10:59.23 | sb|work | thats bad actually :p |
| 10:59.59 | Wobin | dual spec while levelling is good |
| 11:00.12 | Wobin | thinking "Oh I'll just spec tank/heals at 80 and learn it then" is bad |
| 11:00.43 | SunTsu | it is, you just have to remember checking ranks before you use the off specc ;) |
| 11:01.48 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r6914 Citadel/Locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update |
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| 11:05.32 | EthanCentaurai | rages. |
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| 11:17.19 | Torhal | EthanCentaurai: You now owe royalties to Fisker. |
| 11:24.52 | Repo | 10dungeonmate: 03eblume * r30 DungeonMate.lua: (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 11:24.54 | Repo | Prep for 0.3.1 |
| 11:24.55 | Repo | * Much, much cleaner UI |
| 11:24.57 | Repo | * Enhanced UI logic: remembers panel being shown, etc. |
| 11:24.58 | Repo | * Small bug fixes. |
| 11:30.31 | Repo | 10dungeonmate: 03eblume 040.3.1 * r31 : Tagging as 0.3.1 |
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| 12:33.44 | dieck | hi! is there any auto-distribution-addon for mage water&bread? I recall that being used in classic wow while raiding, but I was a consument then. (I just started a mage and LOVE lfd, but distributing water&bread is simply a dumb job :)) |
| 12:37.56 | SunTsu | dieck: yeah, it's called "table" ;) |
| 12:38.11 | dieck | SunTsu: ok, how do I install that on a lvl 20 mage? :) |
| 12:38.19 | SunTsu | dieck: on low levels just say "trade with me for water and bread" |
| 12:38.33 | Torhal | It isn't an AddOn - it's a spell, which you get at higher levels. |
| 12:38.42 | dieck | SunTsu: yes, I do, but then I have to open my bags, search where water and bread went, put in into trade and press ok |
| 12:38.53 | dieck | and re-conjure afterwards |
| 12:38.59 | SunTsu | Torhal: dieck knows, he was as serious with his answer as I was |
| 12:39.31 | dieck | :) |
| 12:39.49 | SunTsu | dieck: you just can't cast spells without clicking something |
| 12:40.01 | SunTsu | or pressing keys |
| 12:40.07 | dieck | yes, I know. but can I trade or put something in trade window without interaction? |
| 12:40.40 | Xinhuan | you can put something in the trade window without interaction, but not the actual "trade" button to execute it |
| 12:41.02 | dieck | e.g., I like Necrosis way of distributing stones, one click creates, right click trades to target |
| 12:41.52 | dieck | so I'd like a "one-click-button": create water, create bread, trade to target. 3 clicks + 1 click on trade window. no brain, just finger action :) |
| 12:42.32 | Chosi | lazy bastard |
| 12:42.34 | Chosi | :) |
| 12:42.34 | dieck | I can't imagine that not beeing present in an addon, as all mages (below 68?) need that :) |
| 12:42.53 | Chosi | i usually buy my pala tanking water from the merchants! |
| 12:42.54 | Chosi | :P |
| 12:43.07 | dieck | Chosi: most advance technology was only invented because of lazyness :) ok, or wars |
| 12:45.37 | Torhal | dieck: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/concession-stand.aspx |
| 12:46.06 | dieck | looks good :) |
| 12:46.27 | dieck | ah, it's Category "class", I searched for "mage" |
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| 13:36.04 | harl | haha. i like the comments in questhelper's files. |
| 13:36.36 | KriLL3 | harl: "horribly broken, but it works, kinda!" ? |
| 13:36.49 | KriLL3 | blizzard's addons got comments like that =P |
| 13:37.48 | harl | lol |
| 13:42.46 | Vilkku | what mod would you recommend to manage key bindings of stuff not on action bars? |
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| 13:46.20 | SunTsu | Vilkku: lkb |
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| 14:32.04 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6915 Citadel/Marrowgar.lua: Citadel/Marrowgar: Tweak bar text. |
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| 14:40.07 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03yoshimo * r6916 Citadel (2 files in 2 directories): locales updated |
| 14:50.44 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6917 Citadel (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 14:50.46 | Repo | Citadel/Gunship: Tweak the mage spawn description, guns -> cannons. |
| 14:53.58 | yoshimo | does wow stop running addon-code when you alt.tab out of the game? |
| 14:56.12 | Funkeh` | yoshimo, i believe it's a bug in 3.3 |
| 14:56.18 | Funkeh` | it doesn't run onupdates or something |
| 14:56.28 | steev | yoshimo: i run Routes' optimization in the background while i'm alt tabbed |
| 14:57.06 | Funkeh` | it's also related to why you disconnect if alt tabbed whilst num lock flying |
| 14:57.31 | Funkeh` | and why it seem slike the screen angle has changed if you're gryphon flying |
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| 14:58.27 | genetik- | steev: how'd your all melee 10man icc go last night? |
| 15:00.07 | Megalon | yoshimo: can't be |
| 15:00.24 | Megalon | because else that addon that brings wow back to focus |
| 15:00.34 | Megalon | on invite/readycheck/etc. won't work |
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| 15:11.18 | steev | genetik-: friday |
| 15:11.54 | genetik- | ah, ok |
| 15:11.58 | genetik- | i thought you said it was last night |
| 15:13.06 | sb|work | hm all melee? |
| 15:13.15 | sb|work | as in no healer or as in no casterdps? :p |
| 15:13.22 | genetik- | no caster dps |
| 15:14.17 | sb|work | hm well, we only have 1 lock in our group since ulduar-mimiron-hard, works fine :o |
| 15:17.26 | yoshimo | megalon, i have the feeling that the auctioneer ah scan pauses when wow hasnt focus |
| 15:19.46 | Megalon | does it use onupdate? |
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| 15:27.14 | sb|work | hmmm |
| 15:27.37 | sb|work | are blizz-mts "units"? |
| 15:28.06 | sb|work | for [@mt1] or something like that |
| 15:28.07 | Gnarfoz | they are |
| 15:28.08 | sb|work | in macros |
| 15:28.12 | Funkeh` | yeah i think so |
| 15:29.01 | Stanzilla | licks Funkeh` |
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| 15:40.17 | KriLL3 | bah, why do some healers think hots are all they need to ever cast? |
| 15:41.42 | KriLL3 | then they get stunned or something bursts me and tada, I'm dead |
| 15:41.59 | KriLL3 | resto druid in HoR HC that only cast lifebloom on me whole run |
| 15:42.06 | KriLL3 | suffice to say we wiped on ghosts |
| 15:49.22 | Megalon | well |
| 15:49.32 | Megalon | if I could set WG to autocast |
| 15:50.03 | Megalon | I could tab out on every instance but PoS/HoR :x |
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| 15:52.06 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03Zeksie * r147 / (3 files in 3 directories): |
| 15:52.08 | Repo | Now removes invalid tracker icons when you leave a party/raid. |
| 15:53.48 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r352 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 15:53.49 | Repo | Don't show roles when not in an instance. If you're grouping with friends and queueing as many, the role (until you zone into new random dungeon) will be the last role set, rather than the current one if this is different. |
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| 16:12.44 | KriLL3 | is there an icon/text in pitbull that shows their spec? (the one with the most points) |
| 16:12.58 | KriLL3 | for party members |
| 16:13.13 | KriLL3 | also the cast bar doesn't seem to work for party |
| 16:13.34 | harl | i needs range checks for macroes |
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| 17:27.56 | ckknight | KriLL3: it'd be nice |
| 17:28.11 | KriLL3 | very |
| 17:28.44 | KriLL3 | I guess it could work for more stuff than party members, but party members is the one to prioritize imo |
| 17:29.45 | Repo | New poll: http://www.wowace.com/polls/your-level-of-respect-for-wow-classes/ |
| 17:29.46 | KriLL3 | *hint hint* =P |
| 17:30.23 | KriLL3 | btw would be nice if you could hide the class icon on non players |
| 17:30.40 | KriLL3 | shows NPCs as warrior/paladin/mage |
| 17:31.22 | ckknight | <cough>write a patch</cough> |
| 17:31.55 | KriLL3 | sure, I know (X)HTML, CSS, JS and Assembly, which is best suited? =P |
| 17:32.50 | ckknight | JS applies pretty well to Lua |
| 17:36.19 | pentium166 | the wowace poll looks kind of silly when there's only one result and all the numbers are like 3.000 2.000 5.000 |
| 17:37.02 | KriLL3 | why does beimba recommend AP enchant on my weapon instead of mongoose? |
| 17:37.06 | KriLL3 | feral tank btw |
| 17:37.57 | ckknight | pentium166: ...yea |
| 17:39.39 | Pneumatus | hmm, when you have to turn your head to view all your monitor space, you gotta wonder if you went OTT a bit :o |
| 17:40.14 | pentium166 | you can never have enough monitors |
| 17:40.42 | Pneumatus | i still only have 2, but went from a pair of 19" to a pair of 24" |
| 17:45.56 | KriLL3 | I got 3x 20'' and a 22'', 22'' in mid the 3 left, right and above |
| 17:47.26 | KriLL3 | I like having a larger center monitor to focus on, and that's where I game/watch movies/browse (if I'm not doing anything else) |
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| 17:53.21 | sb|work | KriLL3: 4 monitors? :p wtf |
| 17:53.35 | sb|work | 2 is enough for me, 24" center and 22" right |
| 17:53.40 | KriLL3 | I had 3, had a spare monitor lying around and a spare port on the PC... |
| 17:54.05 | KriLL3 | 2 isn't good imo, when I had 2 I had huge problems focusing on one at a time, but mine were the same size though |
| 17:54.25 | sb|work | you can easily focus on 24" widescreen :p |
| 17:54.32 | sb|work | 22" is just some extra info / movies / ... |
| 17:54.53 | KriLL3 | I had 2x 20'' |
| 17:55.06 | KriLL3 | and worse I had em lined up at the same angle |
| 17:55.15 | KriLL3 | eyes playing ping-pong between the 2 |
| 17:55.24 | sb|work | eh yea, that sucks :p |
| 17:55.49 | KriLL3 | my brother claims he can see me go slightly boff-eyed though the window behind my monitors, but I doubt it =P |
| 17:56.08 | KriLL3 | (eyes pointing in different directions) |
| 17:56.40 | Repo | 10buff-eh (experimental): 03bregant2 * r12 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 17:56.42 | Repo | Now properly uses AceConfig-3.0 and has a config screen on which the various modules can be enabled/disabled. Next step is saving those variables across logins. |
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| 18:05.22 | Repo | 86c9b3a: Removed question.mp3 since moving it didn't seem to kill the original copy |
| 18:05.23 | Repo | 10bca3f: Localization update |
| 18:09.08 | KriLL3 | any feral tanks in here? |
| 18:16.46 | Xinhuan | why not just armory a few top guilds |
| 18:16.52 | Xinhuan | for feral tanks |
| 18:16.53 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 18:24.16 | Repo | 10pass-loot: 03Odlaw * r97 PassLoot.lua: |
| 18:24.18 | Repo | Add /passloot test <itemlink> to see how passloot would roll on an item. |
| 18:24.26 | KriLL3 | don't know any top guilds, and full raid gear isn't really relevant |
| 18:31.35 | steev | KriLL3: oxguild... then go to wowarmory... and look for their druids/ |
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| 18:41.42 | Ingela | hm... is this some blizzard option but lately i found out that if i have no target i automagically use the spell on myself |
| 18:41.56 | Ingela | i unchecked eveyrthing on bartender that have self cast in it |
| 18:42.26 | Pneumatus | anyone know if lunarsphere can be configured to show the 'best' item from a set of items on a single button, kinda like how autobar works? |
| 18:44.00 | Adremma | Ingela: yes, Blizzard's option (Interface > Game > Combat > Auto Self Cast) got turned on for everyone by default, it seems |
| 18:44.01 | Shadowed | Torhal: ping |
| 18:44.27 | Ingela | oh there it was, thanks Adremma |
| 18:44.30 | Ingela | fucking bullshit option |
| 18:50.30 | pompy | KriLL3: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nathrezim&n=katrin |
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| 18:52.56 | cncfanatics | Hello peeps, I got a little problem with grid, I can't seem to get only my own buffs shown, even when using "show mine" |
| 18:53.02 | cncfanatics | Is this a known issue, is there a fix ? |
| 18:53.09 | mitch0 | torhal: ping |
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| 18:57.33 | cncfanatics | Someone ? :P This is being a pretty anoying issue for me atm |
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| 19:00.32 | pompy | cncfanatics: did u double check the 'class filter' for the buff and if 'enable' is checked? |
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| 19:01.04 | cncfanatics | pompy: enable is checked, the issue is that if there's 2 druids in a raid, I'll see both mine and his hots. |
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| 19:13.33 | cncfanatics | Ideas ? |
| 19:23.37 | yoshimo | sexygroup gives me a couple of lua errors http://paste.wowace.com/1583/ |
| 19:36.51 | cncfanatics | Ok, I've tracked this down as a bug in GHI |
| 19:37.01 | cncfanatics | Which seems to ignore the PLAYER filter |
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| 20:09.48 | yoshimo | ~seen onaforeignshore |
| 20:09.51 | purl | onaforeignshore <n=onaforei@cpc1-stok13-0-0-cust378.bagu.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 4h 3m 57s ago, saying: 'some little bug is causing duplicate frames to show when you uncheck all the other sizes and then create new frames for a different size'. |
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| 20:45.17 | Silowyi | random daily dungeon quest... I get Occulus |
| 20:45.30 | Silowyi | so I check gear scores... 5100, 5200, 5400, 5200... |
| 20:45.37 | Silowyi | "Hey this might not suck!" |
| 20:45.41 | Silowyi | 3 people leave :P |
| 20:46.05 | KriLL3 | =P |
| 20:46.13 | Silowyi | a full group of toons over 5100 gear score, for occulus, and 3 people leave. |
| 20:46.29 | KriLL3 | gs isn't the factor, it's that occu sucks horribly |
| 20:46.52 | Silowyi | The last 3 times I didn't have the ENTIRE PARTY LEAVE right at zone in, we finished occulus in under 20 minutes. |
| 20:47.03 | Silowyi | In is so easy now. |
| 20:47.09 | Silowyi | it* is. |
| 20:47.10 | KriLL3 | yeah I know, but it's still super boring |
| 20:47.14 | pompy | i got make it count in a xserver pug.. u jus cant have retards in ur group |
| 20:47.39 | KriLL3 | and it seems we always get killed by the dragons at the second boss, do you need to kill em first or something? they just appear mid fight |
| 20:47.55 | pompy | he summons one |
| 20:47.56 | Silowyi | Since the xserver pugs went live, I've had one wipe in an occulus group, on Eregos, and we still got it in under 20 minutes. |
| 20:48.07 | KriLL3 | pompy: how do you fight a dragon that nukes you horribly? |
| 20:48.15 | pompy | u clear b4 u pull the boss |
| 20:48.29 | KriLL3 | ah thought summon meant spawn |
| 20:48.34 | Silowyi | KriLL3: the second boss requires clearing about 3-4 dragons above his head before engaging |
| 20:48.44 | KriLL3 | and yeah, even though that happened we got make it count |
| 20:48.49 | Silowyi | he will also summon a dragon that shoots lazers at the ground, move away from the lazer |
| 20:49.09 | KriLL3 | Silowyi: that part I knew, just didn't know that they dragon remained and used the same attacks as the other ones |
| 20:49.17 | Silowyi | it doesn't |
| 20:49.22 | KriLL3 | does |
| 20:49.31 | Silowyi | if you got a dragon that used regular attacks that was one that should have been cleared |
| 20:49.35 | KriLL3 | we kill boss, dragon there trying to kill us |
| 20:49.37 | Silowyi | before engaging |
| 20:49.52 | Torhal | Shadowed: pong |
| 20:49.54 | Torhal | mitch0: pong |
| 20:49.58 | Silowyi | even that isn't hard if you have a decent tank/healer, his attacks only hit for 8k |
| 20:50.00 | KriLL3 | Silowyi: yes but does the boss make one of them aggro us? |
| 20:50.14 | Silowyi | KriLL3: negative |
| 20:50.37 | KriLL3 | Silowyi: the dragon using regular attacks always appears and we didn't aggro when we flew there, and they're balanced to be fought on a dragon, not on foot |
| 20:50.53 | KriLL3 | nuke you horribly, even worse if you don't have ranged dps |
| 20:50.55 | Silowyi | tanking on my DK (undergeared 4900 gs tank set) we pulled two extra dragons, I just death gripped one, taunted the other and we didn't lose a single player. |
| 20:51.38 | Silowyi | KriLL3: yes, but their regular attacks hit for only 8k. |
| 20:51.47 | Silowyi | and it's not a fast attack |
| 20:51.53 | KriLL3 | enough if you can't counter em |
| 20:52.10 | Silowyi | Probably easier for a DK than any other tank ;) |
| 20:52.12 | KriLL3 | and you're stuck in combat so you can't use a dragon |
| 20:52.50 | Silowyi | KriLL3: However if you clear the drakes above the 2nd bosses platform, you won't aggro them. |
| 20:53.12 | KriLL3 | true, but that's a lot of dragons, and I'm confused as to how we aggro em, people standing near edge body pull? |
| 20:53.35 | Silowyi | KriLL3: that's it exactly, and there's only about 4-5 that are close enough to body pull |
| 20:53.52 | KriLL3 | so kill the ones around the edges of the platform? |
| 20:53.59 | Silowyi | yup, and above it |
| 20:54.38 | Silowyi | either way, point is that it's not fundamentally harder than any other dungeon. In fact it's a lot easier than the new ICC ones. |
| 20:55.32 | KriLL3 | true, but people get annoyed when they have to read tooltips on the bars to figure out their new abilities, and before the dragons didn't scale at all with gear, then they scaled a bit, now they scale a lot |
| 20:55.38 | Silowyi | From people who kill each other DPSing during Well of Souls v2 in forge... to the awful awful HoR event |
| 20:55.46 | KriLL3 | thus players in nice gear feel like it's wasted in there |
| 20:55.53 | Silowyi | or the hardest trash pulls in the entire game in PoS :P |
| 20:56.14 | KriLL3 | HoR is fine if they all stand in the corner and don't aoe much |
| 20:56.35 | KriLL3 | but yeah it's easy to mess up in there, and if you do it's back to square one |
| 20:56.39 | Silowyi | The problem I have with HoR is getting people to understand that you need to kill the Mercenary first, and interrupt the priest. |
| 20:57.06 | KriLL3 | I say merc second after priest |
| 20:57.14 | Xinhuan | when i see occulus in a random daily now |
| 20:57.15 | KriLL3 | unless you got good interupt |
| 20:57.17 | NeoTron | or you can kill shit in whatever order as long as they are tanked |
| 20:57.20 | NeoTron | ftw |
| 20:57.24 | Xinhuan | i inspect everyone's achievement stats on how many times |
| 20:57.30 | Xinhuan | they have killed occulus final boss |
| 20:57.35 | pompy | lol |
| 20:57.44 | Xinhuan | the last one i did was all 9 and above, so i stayed |
| 20:57.45 | Silowyi | NeoTron: The mercenaries will shadow-step gouge RSTS and kick healers in range. |
| 20:57.47 | Xinhuan | and we killed it easy |
| 20:57.53 | NeoTron | Silowyi: ez |
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| 20:58.00 | Xinhuan | the previous one before... i regret not leaving, 2 of them had "0" |
| 20:58.04 | Silowyi | NeoTron: let me guess you play a paladin :P |
| 20:58.06 | NeoTron | anyway the main thing is to go for focus dps, not aoe |
| 20:58.12 | NeoTron | my tank is a dk |
| 20:58.21 | Silowyi | NeoTron: I meant healer |
| 20:58.26 | NeoTron | I don't heal |
| 20:58.26 | Silowyi | my DK tank has no problem with that place |
| 20:58.38 | NeoTron | last I healed was on my pally in karazhan |
| 20:58.58 | Silowyi | On my druid healer I pretty much am guaranteed to die/get stunned/kicked any time there's a mercenary |
| 21:00.01 | KriLL3 | Silowyi: wiped in HoR HC earlier because the druid healer only left lifebloom on me entire fight, then he gets stunned and I get bursted by 2x zerking footmen |
| 21:00.32 | Silowyi | KriLL3: I always at least have rejuv up also for the idol proc ;) |
| 21:00.42 | Silowyi | but yeah AoE is the big issue |
| 21:00.58 | Silowyi | when 4 people are taking targetted damage and you get stunned. that's game |
| 21:01.11 | KriLL3 | people think aoe:ing like crazy is fine when you actually need to focus em down to stop the massive dps |
| 21:01.25 | NeoTron | that said though the only l80 healer capable character I have right now is a paladin |
| 21:01.41 | KriLL3 | paladins are horrible in there, can't heal a party well enough |
| 21:02.03 | KriLL3 | first boss is especially nasty, almost kills entire party |
| 21:02.16 | KriLL3 | most paladins can't get everyone back up again before it happens again and someone dies |
| 21:02.20 | Silowyi | lawl beacon? |
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| 21:02.54 | KriLL3 | well I've done it 4 times with paladin healers, and it was hairy all of them, they had good gear |
| 21:03.06 | KriLL3 | done it with poorly geared resto druids & shamans np |
| 21:03.40 | KriLL3 | can palas remove curse btw? |
| 21:03.46 | Silowyi | yes |
| 21:03.52 | Silowyi | wait |
| 21:03.54 | Silowyi | no |
| 21:03.59 | Silowyi | poison, disease, magic |
| 21:04.04 | KriLL3 | hmm |
| 21:04.28 | KriLL3 | druid can, who else? |
| 21:04.59 | NeoTron | mages |
| 21:05.12 | KriLL3 | priests and shamans can't? |
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| 21:09.49 | Fisker | Shamans can if specced i believe |
| 21:11.15 | Repo | 10mobile-vault: 03Starinnia * r119 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 21:11.17 | Repo | -fix vault data not showing if viewed from an unguilded character |
| 21:11.55 | KriLL3 | a bit confused why I get to keep that 50% higher magic dmg debuff full duration usually in there =P |
| 21:12.25 | Repo | 10mobile-vault: 03Starinnia 042.0.1 * r120 : Tagging as 2.0.1 |
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| 21:23.42 | JamesJr | Why is it that Auctioneer will only scan if WoW is the active window? It used to be able to do it in the background while I surfed. Now, if I switch to my browser, it stops scanning? |
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| 21:25.18 | Shefki | That's cool don't wait for an answer. |
| 21:26.46 | Pneumatus | facepalm |
| 21:27.10 | KriLL3 | Shefki: guessing his con died |
| 21:27.17 | Pneumatus | he left the channel |
| 21:27.32 | KriLL3 | isn't it the 3.3 "bug" btw? no updates on loss of focus? |
| 21:27.49 | Nechckn | Tied to screen refresh, right. |
| 21:28.21 | Shefki | Yes it is. |
| 21:32.14 | pentium166 | if you run windowed fullscreen is it still affected by that? |
| 21:32.44 | Nechckn | It's only non-windowed, iirc. |
| 21:33.17 | Torhal | No, it's both ways |
| 21:33.28 | Torhal | I run windowed/maximized and it affects me |
| 21:33.38 | Nechckn | Really, Torhal? We've had people claiming it's working in Windowed mode. |
| 21:33.39 | KriLL3 | same |
| 21:33.45 | KriLL3 | only way to play wow really if you're a multimonitor user |
| 21:33.52 | Nechckn | (I've not had time to really look into it to know for sure) |
| 21:35.00 | Primer | Seems that QH is being quite flaky lately |
| 21:35.19 | Primer | not that I use it any more, but I'm just maintaining my addon's integration with it |
| 21:35.44 | Primer | I had to re-enabled it to make sure its integration hadn't broken, and I'm finding that it's trying to send me to bogus locations for quest completions |
| 21:36.44 | KriLL3 | QH has always been flaky, but yes it's been worse since 3.3 |
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| 21:37.56 | KriLL3 | I wish someone made something like QH but making using of the inbuilt stuff blizzard added in 3.3 |
| 21:38.06 | KriLL3 | *making use |
| 21:38.15 | KriLL3 | instead of using a huge flaky DB etc |
| 21:39.44 | Repo | 10classloot: 03Pneumatus * r115 PT3-RaidLoot.lua: - Re-mine all WotLK instances |
| 21:40.38 | Repo | 10classloot: 03Pneumatus 04v1.7.0 * r116 : Tagging as v1.7.0 |
| 21:41.04 | KriLL3 | QH also has a feature somewhat similar to everyquest, but it doesn't filter faction/class/etc at all, and it marks quests in the middle of quest lines I haven't started etc |
| 21:41.16 | KriLL3 | it's just generally a mess |
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| 21:42.25 | Xinhuan | well |
| 21:42.30 | Xinhuan | patch 3.3 hasn't been out a month |
| 21:42.35 | Xinhuan | pretty big wish |
| 21:43.30 | Silowyi | Almost a month! |
| 21:43.31 | KriLL3 | true |
| 21:43.35 | Silowyi | a month next week :D |
| 21:43.54 | KriLL3 | you can kinda shoehorn it with tomtom atm, but it's not perfect |
| 21:44.08 | Silowyi | You know I actually went back to using QH for the first time in close to 9 months |
| 21:44.11 | Xinhuan | i just had a warrior pug called me a nub for dpsing thru mirror of souls debuff |
| 21:44.18 | Xinhuan | and to download DBM |
| 21:44.20 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 21:44.21 | KriLL3 | you can set the quest markers as waypoints, but not the return ones, and you get the sidebar still |
| 21:44.28 | Silowyi | because I got fed up with the objectives window :P |
| 21:44.33 | Repo | 10libdogtag-unit-3-0: 03Pneumatus * r203 LibDogTag-Unit-3.0.lua: Add support for new boss[1-4] UnitIDs. |
| 21:44.57 | KriLL3 | Silowyi: same, I wish someone made an addon to kill it |
| 21:45.02 | KriLL3 | the markers I like, sidebar I don't |
| 21:45.03 | Xinhuan | i was almost tempted to tell him that his dps sucks for a raiding warrior with 258s and 264s, and i'm outdpsing him in my 213 alt gear |
| 21:45.27 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: ofc you outdps if you dps though mirror =P |
| 21:45.49 | Xinhuan | maybe, but i outdpsed him on the first boss too |
| 21:45.53 | Xinhuan | and on most of the trash |
| 21:45.54 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 21:46.54 | KriLL3 | better than the group I got a while ago, I was highest GS at 5000~, I'm feral tank, highest gs after me was 3400, lowest 3100~ |
| 21:46.57 | KriLL3 | #1 dps |
| 21:47.12 | Xinhuan | but that's expected |
| 21:47.29 | Repo | 10simple-unit-frames: 03Pneumatus * r119 Frames/Boss.lua: - Add Left HP/MP texts on the boss frames. |
| 21:47.44 | Xinhuan | GS doesn't mean shit, if i wear full relentless gear, ppl will think i have 5500 GS |
| 21:47.49 | Repo | 10simple-unit-frames: 03Pneumatus 04v2.3.1 * r120 : Tagging as v2.3.1 |
| 21:48.00 | KriLL3 | disc priest healer, ele shaman that stared at the wall most of the time, warlock that only used rain of fire (not a bot, didn't move like one and chatted) and a rogue that didn't know that attacking from behind is beneficial |
| 21:48.04 | Xinhuan | 1 stamina seems to be worth 3GS, every other stat about 1 GS |
| 21:48.16 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: true, but I'm in good tanking gear |
| 21:48.32 | Shefki | Apparently my PVE gear scroe is 5932. I don't use the addon but people gush over me when I do random heroics. |
| 21:48.39 | Shefki | I think the whole thing is rather stupid. |
| 21:48.40 | KriLL3 | BiS non raid with frost mark cloak |
| 21:48.57 | KriLL3 | Shefki: well it's a good general measure, but yes it's not be all and end all |
| 21:49.08 | KriLL3 | but 3000-3400 gs means they're in leveling blues |
| 21:50.08 | Antiarc | seriously? I thought that 2900ish was good. |
| 21:50.11 | KriLL3 | and I'm in 232-245 |
| 21:50.12 | Pneumatus | i've never been pug grouped with people in less than ulduar/toc level gear :o |
| 21:50.13 | KriLL3 | no |
| 21:50.18 | Antiarc | lulz. |
| 21:50.49 | KriLL3 | I usually get people with about the same as me, but a few times I get 1-2 guys in leveling blues that need on other leveling blues... |
| 21:51.04 | Shefki | I get all sorts, but I'm a healer. |
| 21:51.30 | KriLL3 | I don't get many in between, I either get 5400 guys in raid gear or people in leveling blues |
| 21:51.34 | Shefki | I think it tries to match you with people of similar gear, but it can't always do that with healers/tanks because well... There's only so many to go around. |
| 21:51.37 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r271 / (5 files in 1 directory): Update deDE locale. |
| 21:51.39 | Repo | Added Dragonmaw Nether Drake and Reindeer. |
| 21:51.44 | Xinhuan | well, the lfd system tries to pair a high GS guy with 4 low ones |
| 21:51.45 | Repo | Merged TomTom POI update r235. |
| 21:51.45 | KriLL3 | yeah, I'm tank |
| 21:51.46 | Repo | Add the ability to use POIs as waypoints. |
| 21:51.53 | Xinhuan | and put the high GS guy with (L) |
| 21:52.07 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: no I don't think it does |
| 21:52.15 | Xinhuan | but it does |
| 21:52.17 | KriLL3 | I think it tries for even gear |
| 21:52.27 | Shefki | I have noticed there's almost always one really bad person every group. |
| 21:52.40 | Xinhuan | usually it doesn't succeed, because there's not enough ppl for even gear |
| 21:52.46 | Xinhuan | the high GS guy is forced into a low gs group |
| 21:52.53 | KriLL3 | Shefki: they're usually not "bad" just so confident in their gear they're just facerolling |
| 21:53.19 | KriLL3 | seems people in leveling blues realize their gear is bad and try to make up for it by trying harder |
| 21:53.20 | Shefki | No I mean bad. I'm talking about the 200 dps rogue. |
| 21:53.26 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 21:53.54 | Shefki | But your obervation is interesting. I don't really look at peoples gear. |
| 21:54.26 | KriLL3 | the most annoying kind of PuG player though is the guy that seems to think he's the new hotness and you're all sucking because you're not doing it his way, which is usually pulling the whole room, sure I might do that if I'm confident in the group, but since that guy is usually a healer that spends more time whining/dpsing than healing me I don't |
| 21:55.02 | Shefki | Gonna be honest, most heroics I spend more time dps'ing than healing. |
| 21:55.08 | Shefki | Because there's not enough healing to be done. |
| 21:55.10 | KriLL3 | had a priest literally pull the whole room and then dps and whine about us being slow with 2 guys in blues |
| 21:55.17 | Shadowed | nevermind Torhal |
| 21:55.23 | Shefki | I stack hots between pulls, and dps during the pull mostly. |
| 21:55.24 | KriLL3 | true, but not to the point that people die right? |
| 21:55.31 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.9.6 * r272 : Tagging as v0.9.6 |
| 21:55.36 | KriLL3 | he let people die telling em to use bandages |
| 21:55.41 | Shefki | Unless they do something stupid nobody dies. |
| 21:55.48 | Shefki | The warlock pulling aggro every pull, he dies. |
| 21:55.56 | Shefki | But that's his problem. |
| 21:55.57 | KriLL3 | well some encounters dmg on non tank is unavoidable, or they don't know how |
| 21:56.02 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: GearScore doesn't weight based on stats |
| 21:56.18 | Shefki | There are some fights and instances that I don't dps in. |
| 21:56.19 | Xinhuan | Shadowed: i'm told it does, based on wowwiki |
| 21:56.27 | Shadowed | let me pull the code up to double check |
| 21:56.27 | Shefki | TOC, new ones, CoS depends on the group. |
| 21:56.31 | Shadowed | but I am 99% sure that the wowwiki page is wrong |
| 21:56.47 | Shadowed | Last I looked, Gearscore only weights based on item level, quality, class wearing it and slot |
| 21:56.51 | KriLL3 | second boss in UP makes a debuff named shadow something, no idea how it works but it stacks, 2 dps died and I nearly did because the priest was "busy" dping |
| 21:57.03 | Shadowed | All of which are idiotic and can tell you the same thing as average item level |
| 21:57.10 | Xinhuan | wowwiki says the formula for GS addon |
| 21:57.15 | Shadowed | link? |
| 21:57.45 | Shadowed | I've looked at Gearscore quite a bit, so I am going to trust what I've seen over wowwiki :p |
| 21:57.45 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: yes, it's horrible in that respect, it should at least rate pvp gear lower, especially if it doesn't make sense |
| 21:57.58 | Repo | 10loremstr (experimental): 03Scisto * r53 LRM.lua: Fixed call to GetContinents |
| 21:58.16 | Xinhuan | Shadowed: http://www.wowwiki.com/Gear_score |
| 21:58.17 | Shadowed | Yea it's not rating it based on stats Xinhuan, I'm looking at the code. It's as i said, item level modified by class/slot/quality |
| 21:58.19 | Xinhuan | see the section on (addon) |
| 21:58.31 | KriLL3 | tanks can use some pvp gear, especially at first, most stats don't go to waste, but for dps/healer pvp gear doesn't make sense |
| 21:58.50 | Xinhuan | if what you say is right, i'm not sure why anyone wuld put up false data on wowwiki then |
| 21:58.57 | KriLL3 | but I got nearly as high GS in pvp gear as I do in pve gear |
| 21:59.06 | Shadowed | well |
| 21:59.20 | Pneumatus | ArP has no value in gearscore? |
| 21:59.22 | Pneumatus | thats pretty fail |
| 21:59.25 | Shadowed | again |
| 21:59.29 | Shadowed | That's not how GS calcualtes stuff |
| 21:59.31 | Shadowed | calculates* |
| 21:59.35 | Shadowed | Whoever wrote that is wrong and has never looked at the code |
| 22:00.23 | Shadowed | It's pretty much just this: |
| 22:00.30 | Xinhuan | what's teh formula in the actual addon? |
| 22:00.33 | Shadowed | item level * quality * slot * class |
| 22:00.39 | Shadowed | GetItemScore Xinhuan |
| 22:00.55 | Xinhuan | why is there a *class |
| 22:00.56 | Pneumatus | so no stat/gem modifiers? |
| 22:01.00 | Shadowed | nope |
| 22:01.09 | Shadowed | Because the author is an idiot Xinhuan, and has no idea what he's doing? |
| 22:01.30 | Shadowed | I don't mean that as a baseless fact, he quite literally does not understand what he is trying to do |
| 22:01.39 | Xinhuan | what are the class modifiers? |
| 22:01.50 | Pneumatus | remember, this is an addon that until not that long ago was spamming addon channel messages on every inventory update |
| 22:01.52 | Shefki | Well... |
| 22:01.53 | Xinhuan | i would laugh if its just all "1" for every class |
| 22:02.01 | Shadowed | informant.lua or something |
| 22:02.03 | Shefki | You're right about how he's assigning the value. |
| 22:02.14 | Shadowed | Actually yea he might not be using class assignments now that I look closer |
| 22:02.16 | Shefki | But the formula given there is actually the item budget formula. |
| 22:02.38 | Shefki | So technically as long as Blizzard follows that formula it is how it's being calculated. |
| 22:02.45 | Shefki | The catch is they don't always follow the forumula. |
| 22:02.49 | Shefki | E.G. Algalon loot. |
| 22:02.51 | pompy | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Gear_score&action=history |
| 22:02.58 | Shadowed | It's kind of hard to tell you how GS works, because the code is so randomass |
| 22:02.59 | Shadowed | like |
| 22:03.03 | Shadowed | if ( ItemLevel == 187.05 ) then ItemLevel = 0; end |
| 22:03.09 | Shadowed | Why does it zero the item level if it's 187.05? |
| 22:03.10 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 22:03.23 | Xinhuan | how do you have a non-integer ilvl |
| 22:03.24 | Shadowed | and my personal favorite will always be |
| 22:03.25 | Shadowed | else PVPScore = GearScore * 0; end |
| 22:03.34 | Torhal | ... |
| 22:03.37 | Torhal | That's just ass. |
| 22:03.59 | Pneumatus | pointless operations are srs bsnss |
| 22:04.34 | Shadowed | As I said, when you get down to it Gearscore is just average item level with voodoo modifiers |
| 22:04.48 | Shefki | Right. |
| 22:04.52 | Shadowed | Despite the fact that the author doesn't want to admit that |
| 22:04.54 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: voodoo = arbitrary? =P |
| 22:05.00 | Shefki | Someone should edit that article. |
| 22:05.05 | Pneumatus | i laughed pretty hard at the C&D in his zip |
| 22:05.07 | Shadowed | Arbitrary numbers that have no basis in fact or reality :p |
| 22:05.39 | Shadowed | The general idea is he wants items to be worth more if they are in a higher budget slot, eg chest/legs are more beneficial than cloaks etc |
| 22:05.57 | Axodious | so yeah, anyone been testing the new teamspeak? pretty nice |
| 22:06.00 | NeoTron | I think the values are not arbitrary |
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| 22:06.10 | NeoTron | but rather based on the relative value of each slot as per well known data |
| 22:06.22 | Shefki | There's a new teamspeak? |
| 22:06.29 | Axodious | yeah they just put ts3 in open beta |
| 22:06.33 | Shadowed | NeoTron: Given what I've seen from him talking and how he codes, I'm more confident in voodoo numbers :p |
| 22:06.41 | Axodious | voice quality is finaally fixed |
| 22:06.42 | Shefki | Is it as good as Vent without the annoying restrictions of vent? |
| 22:06.46 | Shefki | Nice. |
| 22:06.51 | Axodious | there's some restrictions however |
| 22:06.56 | Axodious | you can get a non-profit license |
| 22:06.59 | Silowyi | What we need is a PlayerScore mod that checks for stuff like hit capped, isn't gemming parry, has max enchants, etc. :P |
| 22:07.02 | Axodious | which gives you 512 slots |
| 22:07.04 | KriLL3 | is it any good? recall people using older versions to avoid issues with more recent etc |
| 22:07.11 | Shadowed | @project Sexygroup |
| 22:07.12 | Repo | Shadowed: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup/. SexyGroup. Game: WoW. Shadowed (Manager/Author), Antiarc (Maintainer). Updated: 4 hours ago. Tickets: 2/15 |
| 22:07.14 | Shadowed | Silowyi ^ |
| 22:07.26 | Shefki | Axodious: That doesn't bother me. Vent just won't give you a license at all for more than like 8 users unless you're a big hosting provider. |
| 22:07.37 | Axodious | yeah that's what i thought |
| 22:07.39 | Silowyi | Shadowed: you already own most of my UI I'm worried about depending on your for any additional mods :P |
| 22:07.44 | Silowyi | Shadowed: what if you die? |
| 22:07.47 | Axodious | the NPL is specifically for like guilds etc |
| 22:07.57 | Silowyi | Shadowed: that would seriously cramp my play style :( |
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| 22:08.12 | NeoTron | http://www.wowwiki.com/Item_values => slot modifers |
| 22:08.22 | Axodious | but it's got the same codecs as vent + an even higher one (chews over double the bw though) |
| 22:08.32 | Shadowed | :p |
| 22:08.38 | Shadowed | The next version of Gearscore is supposed to check hit cap and such too |
| 22:08.47 | Axodious | without the NPL it's max 32 slots |
| 22:08.50 | Pneumatus | itemleveldkp uses that same data also |
| 22:08.58 | Axodious | which is still way better than vent |
| 22:09.14 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: I just wish it downrated PvP gear, wasted stats, gems and enchants etc |
| 22:09.20 | KriLL3 | instead of just checking iLVL |
| 22:09.26 | Shadowed | sexygroup does! |
| 22:09.28 | Shefki | Axodious: 32 would be reasonable for me to use for personal stuff. |
| 22:09.32 | Axodious | exactly |
| 22:09.41 | Shefki | Honestly, I wish Blizzard would fix the in game one. |
| 22:09.48 | Axodious | i know >_> |
| 22:09.55 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: gl getting the raiders to use it =P |
| 22:10.19 | Shadowed | It's not really for actual raiders |
| 22:10.19 | Axodious | the only thing annoying is the admin interface is overwhelming |
| 22:10.25 | Shadowed | it's more, "I'm in a pug, I want to find out if my tank is retarded and gemming stupidly" |
| 22:10.30 | Axodious | i haven't even gotten into looking at all the permissions cause there's so many |
| 22:10.30 | Groktar | i did a tanked a random heroic with 4 pugs |
| 22:10.32 | Shefki | I'm honestly amazed at the effort you guys put into figuring out bad players. |
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| 22:10.39 | Groktar | and 2 of the dps managed to beat me on damage |
| 22:10.39 | Shadowed | it's a fun project |
| 22:10.40 | Shefki | Seriously, who gives a shit when it comes to heroics. |
| 22:10.42 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: is there a way to check what it says about yourself? |
| 22:10.46 | Shadowed | yes just /sg |
| 22:10.47 | Groktar | pro pugs imo |
| 22:10.54 | Pneumatus | Shefki: quite :) |
| 22:10.58 | Shadowed | There's a lot of interesting mechanics to do something like this |
| 22:11.04 | Shadowed | from inspection to just general scanning |
| 22:11.05 | Pneumatus | they are designed for blue geared players, after all :) |
| 22:11.12 | Shefki | Exactly. |
| 22:11.35 | Shadowed | 99% of it is, make something better than gearscore |
| 22:11.39 | Shefki | I can sorta see it for figuring out PUGs for raids if yyou do that sort of thing. |
| 22:11.40 | Shadowed | and the other 1% is it's fun |
| 22:11.45 | Shefki | But heroics... Are you nuts? |
| 22:12.03 | Groktar | ^ |
| 22:12.11 | Shadowed | Personally I like being able to laugh at people for doing silly things |
| 22:12.14 | Shefki | We don't need something better. We need people to realize it's fucking stupid. |
| 22:12.14 | Shadowed | and this makes that easy |
| 22:12.20 | Shadowed | eh |
| 22:12.28 | Groktar | i was doing heroics in greens a less than a week after wotlk |
| 22:12.36 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: me2, though it's less funny if I die because of it |
| 22:12.37 | Shadowed | It's useful, if you don't give a fuck what your group is using, dont use it |
| 22:12.53 | NeoTron | I tanked heroics on my DK about 20 minutes after hitting 80 |
| 22:13.00 | NeoTron | with about 21k health. buffed. |
| 22:13.10 | Shadowed | and if you don't care that your healer is wearing STA gems then go nuts |
| 22:13.25 | NeoTron | but I had a good swp geared healer and swp geared dps |
| 22:13.27 | KriLL3 | Shefki: way too late, people seem to be programmed to focus on this stuff |
| 22:13.29 | Shadowed | I like being able to see what people are using, even if it generally doesn't matter that your DPS is stupid and wearing PVP gear |
| 22:13.46 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: well pvp gear > leveling blues |
| 22:13.50 | Pneumatus | i pug with my grand crusader title and no one asks any questions :> |
| 22:13.56 | Shadowed | KriLL3 blue pvp gear :p |
| 22:14.01 | Shadowed | like the saronite sutff |
| 22:14.02 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: heh |
| 22:14.02 | Shadowed | stuff* |
| 22:14.11 | Groktar | sounds like something KriLL3 would wear |
| 22:14.12 | Groktar | points |
| 22:14.15 | KriLL3 | and I got pvp boots for tanking actually, better than anything else I can get outside of a raid |
| 22:14.26 | Groktar | haha |
| 22:14.35 | KriLL3 | everything else doesn't have enough sta/gems etc |
| 22:14.36 | Shefki | Shadowed: If we clear the instance, I don't really care if they're a dps wearing healing gear. |
| 22:14.52 | Shadowed | Then don't use it |
| 22:14.54 | KriLL3 | Groktar: yes, ha ha, I'm not a raider yet, ha ha |
| 22:15.04 | Shadowed | It's not going to be a Gearscore style "lol 5000 score or gtfo" |
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| 22:15.10 | KriLL3 | I should use my old polar boots right? no agi at all |
| 22:15.11 | Shadowed | if it turns into something like that, then it's a failure |
| 22:16.31 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: that's how it's on my server, gs and achi or you're a looser |
| 22:16.50 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure how GS can ever be toppled now |
| 22:16.56 | Shadowed | It won't really |
| 22:17.13 | Axodious | blue will break it i think |
| 22:17.18 | Torhal | ? |
| 22:17.18 | Shadowed | huh? |
| 22:17.21 | Torhal | How the fuck? |
| 22:17.28 | Shadowed | How exactly do you think they are going to break it |
| 22:17.31 | Axodious | no idea! |
| 22:17.34 | Axodious | i think they want to at least |
| 22:17.39 | Shadowed | I doubt they care |
| 22:17.43 | KriLL3 | they'd have to provide something better/simpler |
| 22:17.47 | Xinhuan | they could technically just ban the gearscore addon |
| 22:17.51 | Xinhuan | don't have to break anything |
| 22:17.52 | Shadowed | they could, but they wouldn't |
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| 22:17.59 | Shefki | I'm sure they realize it's a problem, but there's nothing they can really do about it. |
| 22:17.59 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: naw, then there would be a million clones |
| 22:18.05 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 22:18.06 | Shefki | It's a social issue not a technical issue. |
| 22:18.11 | Torhal | Exactly |
| 22:18.12 | Xinhuan | just put it into the TOC/EULA |
| 22:18.20 | Shadowed | If Blizzard says, we're banning score addons nobody is going to make clones |
| 22:18.21 | Torhal | Fixing social issues with technology == get a fucking clue. |
| 22:18.21 | Xinhuan | like how "cross faction comms" is against EULA |
| 22:18.24 | Shadowed | or if they do, they won't be wildly possible |
| 22:18.32 | Shadowed | s/possible/popular/ |
| 22:18.45 | Torhal | Unless that technology is "full frontal lobotomy", that is. |
| 22:18.46 | Xinhuan | if they ban any type of gearscoring addon in the EULA |
| 22:18.46 | Shefki | THe problem isn't even the technology of the addon. |
| 22:18.48 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.9.6-beta * r273 : Tagging as v0.9.6-beta |
| 22:18.50 | Shadowed | It's actually a good thing that he's so incompetent, if he actually knew how to code gearscore would be more popular |
| 22:18.52 | KriLL3 | Torhal: actually you can up to a certain point, especially social issues caused by technology |
| 22:18.54 | Xinhuan | it would be enfocable |
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| 22:19.06 | Shefki | The idea of scoring players can be interesting as Shadowed has already pointed out. |
| 22:19.11 | Shefki | The problem is how people are using it. |
| 22:19.15 | Shadowed | eh, no |
| 22:19.21 | Shadowed | Using item level is 100% flawed |
| 22:19.28 | Shadowed | If you really want to score people, you have to do it based on the item type |
| 22:19.43 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.9.6 * r274 : Tagged incorrectly. |
| 22:19.45 | Shefki | I didn't say how he was doing it was right. I just said the problem is interesting. |
| 22:20.13 | Shadowed | If somebody really wanted to write a proper score mod. They would do something that had weightings pulled from verified sources based on class/spec/etc |
| 22:20.23 | Shadowed | but nobody would ever do that because the time commitment is insane |
| 22:20.24 | Xinhuan | there was this on /2 a week ago, something like this "LFM [Flame Leviathan must die!] I dont' care your gearscore or achievements, this is easy shit" and in 15 seconds, he said "raid full, thanks" on /2 |
| 22:20.26 | Xinhuan | hats off to him |
| 22:20.46 | Axodious | Shadowed: could always be like a simcraft project type thing |
| 22:20.52 | Axodious | x person writes x module |
| 22:20.55 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: wouldn't something in between be fairly easy? |
| 22:20.56 | Shadowed | The time commitment is still insane :p |
| 22:21.07 | Axodious | so is simcraft, people still do it |
| 22:21.07 | Axodious | ;o |
| 22:21.08 | Xinhuan | Axodious, nobody would do that because of the maintenance time needed on every patch |
| 22:21.09 | Shefki | My point is the techonology isn't the problem. It's the way players are applying it. |
| 22:21.10 | Shadowed | KriLL3: You would basically need weightings for every class/spec, and they would change with patches |
| 22:21.18 | KriLL3 | iLVL, wasted stats, pvp gear, etc |
| 22:21.18 | Xinhuan | and every sub-patch |
| 22:21.22 | Shadowed | yea |
| 22:21.23 | Torhal | Xinhuan: Gagorian...he's that crazy. |
| 22:21.23 | Xinhuan | and every server hotfix |
| 22:21.25 | KriLL3 | not terribly accurate but better than GS |
| 22:21.30 | Shefki | Just like metal detectors aern't bad, but anyone that thinks a metal detector is going to stop a bomber is an idiot. |
| 22:21.31 | Shadowed | but even DrDamage isn't the same |
| 22:21.35 | Shadowed | KriLL3 not really |
| 22:21.38 | Xinhuan | gagorian's one is relatively easy |
| 22:21.46 | Xinhuan | its just figuring out the coefficients of spells |
| 22:21.48 | NeoTron | the hardest thing would be to make the scores between classes consistent |
| 22:21.51 | Shadowed | DrDamage is based on the damage done, rather than trying to figure out the actual stat weightings |
| 22:22.00 | Xinhuan | which isn't the same as simulating something |
| 22:22.08 | Shadowed | basically |
| 22:22.09 | NeoTron | because typical ej score / weights are not balanced between classes or even specs necessarily |
| 22:22.12 | Shadowed | You would need to replicate Rawr in-game |
| 22:22.21 | Shadowed | and even Rawr isn't 100% complete |
| 22:22.32 | Xinhuan | i only replicated the "equipment" part of rawr |
| 22:22.35 | Xinhuan | in wowequip |
| 22:22.36 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 22:22.47 | Xinhuan | and none of the calculations or theory |
| 22:23.02 | Shadowed | Yea, even Sexygroup isn't trying to duplicate weightings it just looks at pure stats |
| 22:23.05 | Axodious | speaking of wowequip |
| 22:23.10 | Axodious | had an idea for gems Xinhuan |
| 22:23.13 | Shadowed | Strength means it's a melee dps item, etc |
| 22:23.14 | Axodious | if it's not there |
| 22:23.17 | Axodious | a favorites menu |
| 22:23.21 | Xinhuan | its already there |
| 22:23.25 | Axodious | where? |
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| 22:23.31 | Xinhuan | read teh tooltips when you hover over a menuitem |
| 22:23.38 | Axodious | ok im blind |
| 22:23.41 | Axodious | wow |
| 22:23.43 | Xinhuan | while selecting a gem or enchant |
| 22:23.54 | Axodious | i was looking for it the other day and didn't see it |
| 22:23.54 | Axodious | >_>< |
| 22:23.55 | Xinhuan | i'm sure you can find a favourites menu to |
| 22:23.58 | Xinhuan | too |
| 22:24.04 | Xinhuan | its been there since.. patch 3.2 i think |
| 22:24.26 | Xinhuan | however, it stores gem favourites per slot color |
| 22:24.47 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: doesn't feral mess that up horribly? we're a bit weird in that dps and tank shares gear and stats |
| 22:24.57 | Shadowed | Ferals are fun |
| 22:24.58 | Xinhuan | and that means if you store melee gems on yellow slot, and then caster gems on yellow slot for another char, you'll see both melee/caster gems |
| 22:24.59 | KriLL3 | and some tanking stats are useless for us |
| 22:25.02 | Xinhuan | in the favourites |
| 22:25.04 | Shadowed | Feral tanks basically are allowed to wear tank and dps gear |
| 22:25.24 | KriLL3 | yeah, and I never quite get my head around mixing agi and str items... |
| 22:25.28 | NeoTron | even if gear is the same, gems and enchants are not |
| 22:25.34 | Shadowed | It's certainly not a perfect system and still needs tweaking but it does account for things like feral |
| 22:25.59 | Axodious | oh i see |
| 22:26.01 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: well I think non ferals get more def gems etc, we usually just load up on stam & agi |
| 22:26.07 | Axodious | it didn't show the tooltip for a second |
| 22:26.09 | Axodious | had to swap to another gem |
| 22:26.14 | KriLL3 | basically yellow sockets are pointless for us |
| 22:26.40 | Shefki | I'll yellow socket you. :P |
| 22:26.44 | Xinhuan | u might not see the tooltip right away if you haven't already seen the gem/enchant before on your itemcache |
| 22:26.50 | Xinhuan | i have to retrieve from serverside |
| 22:26.54 | Xinhuan | if yu haven't seen it before |
| 22:27.04 | Axodious | much better! |
| 22:27.13 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: heh, doesn't beat feral bugs, our armor isn't recalculated in bearform on gear switch, we need to leave bearform and enter it again to have our new armor |
| 22:27.32 | Axodious | a while ago you were asking about how to make those menus smaller, why not add an option to ignore silly gems for certain classes |
| 22:27.37 | Axodious | ie str gems for a warlock |
| 22:27.45 | Shefki | KriLL3: Does it recalculate your damage stats though? |
| 22:27.50 | KriLL3 | Shefki: it does |
| 22:27.58 | Xinhuan | because, Axodious, not everyone might use it for sensible things |
| 22:28.01 | KriLL3 | Axodious: but warlock in demon form... =P |
| 22:28.02 | Shefki | Sounds like an evil way to exploit the system. |
| 22:28.03 | Xinhuan | how about a twink |
| 22:28.14 | Axodious | that's why i said an option ;o |
| 22:28.16 | Xinhuan | or a plate class RPing in intel gear! |
| 22:28.17 | Axodious | like the filters you have |
| 22:28.20 | KriLL3 | Shefki: ah switch to high armor no dps then back to dps? |
| 22:28.32 | Xinhuan | i'll accept patches |
| 22:28.35 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: they're called paladins |
| 22:28.37 | Xinhuan | but i doubt i'll write anything |
| 22:28.38 | NeoTron | just want a way to exclude gems from GemHelper |
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| 22:28.43 | NeoTron | specifically hide anything that's not wotlk |
| 22:29.00 | Xinhuan | NeoTron, that's actually quite easy |
| 22:29.02 | NeoTron | might have to make a patch for that |
| 22:29.05 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: there isn't any TBC gems that are better right? |
| 22:29.14 | NeoTron | tbc gems are useful for leveling |
| 22:29.17 | NeoTron | but nothing else :P |
| 22:29.18 | Xinhuan | you'll notice my latest edition of gemhelper has a new checkbox |
| 22:29.22 | Xinhuan | for "exclude JC gems" |
| 22:29.23 | KriLL3 | there are TBC enchants that are better than LK ones |
| 22:29.27 | Xinhuan | did you notice it? |
| 22:29.31 | NeoTron | I did |
| 22:29.32 | Axodious | tbc gems aren't even useful for leveling |
| 22:29.38 | Axodious | lk uncommons are so cheap |
| 22:29.41 | Groktar | ^ |
| 22:29.50 | Xinhuan | you can easily give me a patch that excludes non-wrath gems, by excluding all gems that have a rarity of 6 or less |
| 22:29.51 | NeoTron | I meant leveling JC |
| 22:30.22 | Xinhuan | i gave all the gems in gemhelper an arbiturary rarity level |
| 22:30.41 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: does that affect the exclusion list at the top too or just the entries in the "to craft" list |
| 22:30.45 | asmodai | Went to see Avatar in 3D and been having lingering vision after effects for the past 4 hours. I see everything beyond 1-2 meters in bloody stereoscopic vision. |
| 22:30.50 | Xinhuan | i think 0 is common, 1 is uncommon, 2 is rare, 3 is epic, 4 is meta, 5 is JC-only |
| 22:31.14 | Xinhuan | and 11 is uncommon wrath, 12 perfect wrath, 13 is rare, 14 is meta, 15 is epic, 16 is jc-only |
| 22:31.20 | Axodious | rofl asmodai |
| 22:31.33 | Xinhuan | both NeoTron |
| 22:31.41 | asmodai | Axodious: Heh, trust me, it ain't funny when you have to get home from another city :S |
| 22:31.45 | Fisker | slaps Xinhuan around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:31.45 | Fisker | slaps asmodai around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:31.54 | Axodious | i'm gonna see it next week in3d |
| 22:31.55 | asmodai | felt like being drunk or something without the booze |
| 22:32.15 | asmodai | Axodious: 1 tip: whatever the movie tries to emphasis, follow that, don't struggle. |
| 22:32.16 | Xinhuan | with the "exclude jc gems" checkbox on, you won't see any JC-only gems in the results no matter what filters you have on/off |
| 22:32.21 | asmodai | emphasize even |
| 22:32.41 | NeoTron | I mainly meant that the filter list includes every gem. It makes the list really large |
| 22:32.52 | Xinhuan | huh |
| 22:32.59 | NeoTron | the checkboxes at the top |
| 22:34.17 | Xinhuan | i don't even use those anymore |
| 22:34.17 | NeoTron | I do if i want to cut shit and put on the AH |
| 22:34.17 | NeoTron | since it's easier to deal with one gem style at a time |
| 22:34.17 | Xinhuan | more or less i already know what gems exist by their prefixes by heart |
| 22:34.17 | Xinhuan | and all gem colors |
| 22:34.17 | Xinhuan | and thier names |
| 22:34.20 | KriLL3 | I look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Northrend_gems_by_stats |
| 22:34.22 | Xinhuan | i actually just type it straight in in the AH |
| 22:34.23 | KriLL3 | second table, not first |
| 22:34.35 | NeoTron | honestly just remove the bc gems from that list and it'd perfect |
| 22:34.49 | NeoTron | When I cut gems I do it by color |
| 22:35.04 | NeoTron | and I'd rather have 5-8 choices for a gem than 30 |
| 22:35.06 | NeoTron | or 40 |
| 22:35.07 | NeoTron | for all |
| 22:35.09 | Xinhuan | the extra option is probably doable within 5 min of code heh |
| 22:35.20 | Axodious | i hate ppl that ask for a green orange gem |
| 22:35.21 | Axodious | so confusing |
| 22:35.44 | NeoTron | I am color blind |
| 22:35.57 | asmodai | Axodious: heh |
| 22:35.59 | NeoTron | so I use the color filter all the time |
| 22:36.08 | asmodai | NeoTron: Which type? |
| 22:36.14 | NeoTron | all? |
| 22:36.18 | Xinhuan | i don't even look at the color of the gem anymore |
| 22:36.24 | Xinhuan | especially with the epic wrath gems |
| 22:36.26 | asmodai | The colour blindness. |
| 22:36.29 | NeoTron | I have ~1% color vision |
| 22:36.31 | Xinhuan | the colors almost look the same |
| 22:36.34 | asmodai | Since there's at least 3 or 4 versions. |
| 22:36.36 | NeoTron | so "all" is mostly accurate |
| 22:36.52 | NeoTron | blue/purple, red/green/brown, yellow/green, light blue/grey |
| 22:36.54 | NeoTron | and so on |
| 22:36.55 | Xinhuan | NeoTron, it isn't exactly you, the 6 epic wrath gem colors actually DO look so close to each other |
| 22:37.06 | Xinhuan | that i don't look at the color anymore, i read the gem name |
| 22:37.08 | asmodai | Ahh, monochromacy. |
| 22:37.13 | NeoTron | not quite but close to it |
| 22:37.33 | NeoTron | I see colors but any color that is close as grayscale has a high chance of being close to me |
| 22:37.41 | Shadowed | I can barely tell the difference from the stupid blue and the purple gems |
| 22:37.45 | Shadowed | and I'm not color blind :< |
| 22:38.02 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: I have honestly not cut enough gems to know them by name |
| 22:38.04 | Xinhuan | yeah and the difference between the orange and the yellow gems might as well be non-existant |
| 22:38.22 | NeoTron | I stopped doing jcing for money in wotlk for the most part since everyone and they grandmother did it and crashed the market so cost of mats > value of cuts |
| 22:38.29 | asmodai | Fisker: http://i.imgur.com/DC8m3.jpg |
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| 22:39.02 | Xinhuan | well lets see if i can really add a "exclude non-WotLK gems" filter within 5 min |
| 22:39.51 | cncfanatics | Wouldn't a simple filter by itemlevel do ? |
| 22:39.57 | haste | nope |
| 22:40.02 | haste | gems are retarded that way |
| 22:40.15 | haste | parsing the base name will probably do the trick |
| 22:40.24 | Xinhuan | its not hard cncfanatics, i gave every gem in my database a "rarity level" of my own assignment |
| 22:40.30 | Xinhuan | so i could sort them |
| 22:40.31 | cncfanatics | Oh |
| 22:40.32 | cncfanatics | Nice |
| 22:40.38 | cncfanatics | Oh by the way |
| 22:40.41 | cncfanatics | I'M BAAAAAAACK |
| 22:40.49 | cncfanatics | Haven't been here for what ? Almost a year |
| 22:41.12 | KriLL3 | right, we missed you |
| 22:41.16 | KriLL3 | psst, who is he? |
| 22:41.22 | Xinhuan | ok step 1, add the checkbox |
| 22:41.23 | asmodai | cncfanatics: lies |
| 22:42.03 | Xinhuan | done |
| 22:42.23 | cncfanatics | I do hope at least Xinhuan remembers me :P As I remember him for some reason |
| 22:42.59 | Stanzilla | o_o |
| 22:43.48 | asmodai | Who is this cncfanatics fella? |
| 22:44.06 | KriLL3 | no idea, just roll with it |
| 22:44.09 | Xinhuan | i remember you cncfanatics, but not quite who you were |
| 22:44.42 | cncfanatics | \o/ |
| 22:44.44 | Xinhuan | NeoTron: Step 2, add the filter code |
| 22:44.47 | Xinhuan | done! |
| 22:45.06 | Shefki | He's a fanatic. Kill him before he transforms. |
| 22:45.28 | cncfanatics | transforms into a dragon overlord and proceeds to eating everyone, starting with Shefki. |
| 22:45.37 | Xinhuan | Step 3: readjust positioning of all the checkboxes to make space for the extra checkbox |
| 22:45.50 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: What addon is this, by the way ? |
| 22:45.52 | Shefki | Step 4: ??? |
| 22:45.56 | Shefki | Step 5: Profit!!! |
| 22:46.13 | cncfanatics | It's already been 4 minutes since step 1, by the way |
| 22:46.48 | Xinhuan | well i've got to reloadui quite a bit to test it |
| 22:46.57 | Xinhuan | step 4: add the string to all locales, not just enUS |
| 22:46.58 | cncfanatics | Heh, anoying |
| 22:48.02 | Xinhuan | step 5: pull latest revision from svn :< |
| 22:48.24 | cncfanatics | HAhahaha |
| 22:50.55 | Repo | 10gem-helper: 03Xinhuan * r105 / (8 files in 1 directory): Add checkbox to filter out all non-WotLK gems. |
| 22:51.12 | Xinhuan | try that NeoTron ;p |
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| 22:53.37 | Amadeo | Anyone ever mess with nUI? |
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| 22:53.50 | Xinhuan | Amadeo, try the nUI forums on wowinterface |
| 22:53.55 | Xinhuan | there's like 10 new posts in it everyday |
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| 22:54.10 | Amadeo | I'm just curious what you guys think |
| 22:54.16 | Shadowed | it's evil |
| 22:54.25 | Shadowed | IT's better than compilations but last I looked it's not exactly that well made |
| 22:54.32 | Amadeo | Yeah, I was just screwing with it |
| 22:54.34 | Amadeo | Buggy |
| 22:54.37 | Amadeo | but interesting |
| 22:54.40 | Xinhuan | buggy? |
| 22:54.41 | Shadowed | and he begs for donations so I dislike him |
| 22:54.55 | Amadeo | Keybinds disappear randomly |
| 22:55.02 | Shadowed | You'll get better results just using other mods thought |
| 22:55.15 | Amadeo | Shadowed: Yeah, if you go to his homepage thing, it's all about how to improve wealth, lol |
| 22:55.42 | Amadeo | it looks and feels very cultish |
| 22:55.56 | Shadowed | pretty much |
| 22:56.00 | Amadeo | but either way, I think it's pretty impressive |
| 22:56.24 | Shadowed | It's a good idea, it's just not that well made |
| 22:56.41 | Amadeo | My problem is that my UI is always extremely ugly, and I'm not too good at making it look any better ;) |
| 22:56.47 | Shadowed | Go use something like oUF |
| 22:56.50 | Xinhuan | it has a fairshare amount of userbase |
| 22:56.50 | Shadowed | There's a lot of layouts for that |
| 22:56.54 | Xinhuan | so |
| 22:56.58 | Xinhuan | it can't be bad |
| 22:57.11 | Shadowed | Xinhuan, Questhelper has a large userbase too :P |
| 22:57.15 | Xinhuan | mainly its probably to do with the support the author gives |
| 22:57.18 | Shadowed | yea |
| 22:57.20 | haste | I like how Shadowed tells people to use oUF, while I tell people to use SUF :P |
| 22:57.24 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 22:57.26 | Shadowed | aha |
| 22:57.39 | Amadeo | well it's not the unit frames that I have trouble with, just all my addons on my screen, I'm bad at laying them out nicely :) |
| 22:58.01 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24241.jpg just personally, that's way too cluttered/ugly to me |
| 22:58.09 | Shadowed | s/to/for/ |
| 22:58.14 | Shadowed | curses purl |
| 22:58.19 | Xinhuan | is that nui? |
| 22:58.21 | Shadowed | yes |
| 22:58.30 | Shadowed | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24256.jpg another example |
| 22:58.46 | Axodious | omg |
| 22:58.48 | Axodious | so many arrows |
| 22:58.55 | Amadeo | I tried it in a couple raids |
| 22:58.55 | Shadowed | I'm not sure how much peoples layouts deviate from that, but that's what his examples on the page are |
| 22:59.02 | Xinhuan | its not too bad, some people like information overload |
| 22:59.09 | Shadowed | I think it's mostly just the all-in-one ness of it that makes it popular |
| 22:59.17 | Amadeo | seems to use around 29mb in a raid setting |
| 22:59.30 | haste | memory usage is irrelevant! |
| 22:59.43 | Amadeo | depends how crappy your PC is :P |
| 22:59.44 | Xinhuan | i'm considering if its feasible to write a "WWS" addon |
| 22:59.51 | Shadowed | In what sense Xinhuan |
| 23:00.07 | Xinhuan | that is, i'm considering to store the entire combat log in savedvariables, compressed and encoded |
| 23:00.10 | Xinhuan | but in its entirery |
| 23:00.15 | Xinhuan | without information loss |
| 23:00.37 | Xinhuan | and then the info can be used to show data after the raid |
| 23:00.38 | Shadowed | talk to the Auctioneer guys? |
| 23:00.45 | Amadeo | that would rock |
| 23:00.53 | Shadowed | I am pretty sure you can't thought |
| 23:00.59 | Xinhuan | i'm just considering if its viable |
| 23:01.05 | Shadowed | Raids are something like ~200 MB of raw data right? |
| 23:01.12 | Shadowed | even more |
| 23:01.13 | Xinhuan | i think 20 bytes of memory per combat log line is about as low as i can manage |
| 23:01.22 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 23:01.38 | Xinhuan | so if a 4 hour raid has say how many combat log lines? |
| 23:01.47 | Xinhuan | 500k? that's 10 mb ram |
| 23:01.48 | Shadowed | 25 lines per second during a 300 second time? |
| 23:02.03 | Shadowed | That's 7500 lines over 5 minutes |
| 23:02.16 | Repo | 10yssdrop: 03yssaril 07master * v1.8.9-1-g63ef898 YssDrop.lua: [+1 commit] switch to using our own Tooltip instead of GameTooltip to prevent tooltipmods repositioning our tooltip frame which could have bad results. |
| 23:02.20 | cncfanatics | Storing lines in memory without doing any processing shouldn't slow down things by much |
| 23:02.22 | Xinhuan | that's 360k lines over 4 hours |
| 23:02.28 | Megalon | 25 lines per second is only 1 line per player per second |
| 23:02.33 | Shadowed | yea |
| 23:02.36 | Shadowed | that's a very low estimate |
| 23:02.40 | Shadowed | It's probably more like 40-50 |
| 23:02.40 | Megalon | but for 10man it could be |
| 23:02.57 | Xinhuan | in any case, 10 mb would just be the raw data, and another 1/4 mb for the table structure possibly |
| 23:03.01 | Xinhuan | or 1/2 mb |
| 23:03.06 | Xinhuan | since a table entry costs 8 bytes |
| 23:03.18 | Shadowed | At least my experience with storing 10 MB of data in SVs is it makes the game unhappy |
| 23:03.18 | cncfanatics | Why does the raw memory usage matter again ? |
| 23:03.20 | Shadowed | and slow to load |
| 23:03.28 | Xinhuan | there's also a limit of 4mb memory for a table |
| 23:03.34 | Xinhuan | so i would need subtables |
| 23:03.52 | Xinhuan | a table can't have more than 512k entries |
| 23:04.09 | Shadowed | IF you did things like, after combat compressed data that would probably happy too |
| 23:04.21 | Shadowed | although last I looked, LibCompress has a bit of table churn |
| 23:04.28 | cncfanatics | LibCompress ? :o |
| 23:04.34 | Shadowed | @project libcompress-1-0 |
| 23:04.34 | Repo | Shadowed: No project found that matches 'libcompress-1-0' |
| 23:04.38 | haste | LibTableChurn |
| 23:04.38 | Shadowed | :| |
| 23:04.39 | Xinhuan | i'm not intending to use that type of compression heh |
| 23:04.41 | Shadowed | @project libcompress |
| 23:04.42 | Repo | Shadowed: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libcompress/. LibCompress. Game: WoW. galmok (Manager/Author), Allara (Author), jjsheets (Author). Updated: 17 days ago |
| 23:04.50 | Axodious | idk how popular a mod like that would be, cause it would be a pretty heavy mod when things like WoL have live uploads and stuff |
| 23:05.02 | Xinhuan | in general, combat log data is mainly just spellIDs, GUIDs and flags |
| 23:05.02 | Shadowed | yea |
| 23:05.17 | Xinhuan | spellID is just 2 bytes, GUID, can be encoded to 2 bytes using a guid lookup table |
| 23:05.17 | Shadowed | It's interesting, but probably better to just use a livelog + WoL solutio |
| 23:05.19 | Shadowed | solution* |
| 23:05.56 | Xinhuan | i'm just wondering if its viable, considering its probably easier to /combatlog and parse the log after the raid |
| 23:06.11 | Xinhuan | than to do it ingame |
| 23:06.19 | Shadowed | Yea, I am sure it's viable just not realistic |
| 23:07.13 | Amadeo | Let me see what you guys have for UI setups going on |
| 23:07.23 | Amadeo | screenshot-wise |
| 23:07.30 | yoshimo | you could add a chatlog and segment phases out of the combatlog.txt afterwards, but im not sure if you really need it |
| 23:07.41 | Xinhuan | mine's rather "messy" |
| 23:07.47 | Axodious | http://buddinglunacy.net/dkui.png |
| 23:07.50 | Axodious | my dk alt |
| 23:07.54 | Axodious | warlock is similar |
| 23:08.09 | Amadeo | that's nice and clean |
| 23:08.26 | Axodious | the mpty box is omen |
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| 23:08.48 | Axodious | and wth is with ie and displaying a png |
| 23:08.49 | Axodious | o_O |
| 23:09.41 | Amadeo | I like it |
| 23:10.05 | steev | Axodious: i like it |
| 23:10.12 | Axodious | just went flipping through the screenshot post on EJ for a day picking out stuff i liked |
| 23:10.40 | steev | http://ubersekret.com/screenshots/latest-ui.png here is mine |
| 23:10.47 | Xinhuan | my UI - http://kinkou.net/xinftp/killshots/sarth3down.jpg |
| 23:11.19 | steev | Xinhuan: need more room for chat, imo |
| 23:11.30 | Xinhuan | i like to read long chat lines |
| 23:11.38 | Axodious | link didn't work steev |
| 23:11.45 | Xinhuan | or rather, i prefer if long chat lines are actually 1 liners, rather than split over 2 or 3 lines |
| 23:11.49 | Axodious | there it goes |
| 23:11.51 | Shadowed | ew xperl |
| 23:12.01 | steev | Axodious: yeah, the web server has been acting up lately |
| 23:12.19 | steev | i'm still working on it |
| 23:12.30 | Amadeo | looks good, chat just seems out of place |
| 23:12.35 | Axodious | text is so tiny for me |
| 23:12.49 | Amadeo | no bar addons for you guys? |
| 23:12.49 | Axodious | i would just put the chat right snug in the corner |
| 23:13.49 | Xinhuan | i use my own bar addon |
| 23:13.52 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 23:14.08 | KriLL3 | I use BT4 |
| 23:14.08 | Amadeo | it looks like default WoW! |
| 23:14.12 | Axodious | you know what addon i'm still using, eepanels 2 |
| 23:14.14 | KriLL3 | used BT since the early days |
| 23:14.22 | Xinhuan | it integrates into default wow |
| 23:14.24 | steev | Axodious: the issue i had |
| 23:14.27 | Axodious | i can't even figure out how to get into the config anymore >_< |
| 23:14.28 | Xinhuan | but the bottom right side is actually a popbar |
| 23:14.29 | steev | when i would use bar addons |
| 23:14.32 | Amadeo | I see |
| 23:14.34 | steev | buttons would get stuck |
| 23:14.37 | Xinhuan | and i can toggle it to show bags |
| 23:14.41 | Xinhuan | like default UI |
| 23:14.55 | steev | like i'd hit 1 |
| 23:15.04 | Stanzilla | http://i50.tinypic.com/19fur.jpg mine |
| 23:15.05 | Yssaril | Amadeo: http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/5133/wowscrnshot121909002336.jpg <-- mine |
| 23:15.05 | steev | for plague strike/rune strike macro |
| 23:15.12 | steev | and it would be stuck in the "down" position |
| 23:15.22 | Axodious | what would? |
| 23:15.30 | steev | the button in game |
| 23:15.38 | steev | and i'd have to hit the key 4 or 5 times |
| 23:15.40 | Amadeo | you guys have great button layouts |
| 23:15.43 | Axodious | i mean, what would cause it to stick |
| 23:15.59 | steev | Axodious: any bar mods i tried |
| 23:16.03 | steev | bartender, dominos |
| 23:16.03 | Axodious | weird |
| 23:16.06 | steev | finally i said f it |
| 23:16.12 | steev | and just went with the default |
| 23:16.29 | steev | although it annoys me i can't get rid of the xp/rep bar without getting rid of my other addon |
| 23:16.47 | Xinhuan | you could try my bar addon steev ;p |
| 23:16.54 | Xinhuan | search for ipopbar |
| 23:16.59 | Xinhuan | very few ppl use it |
| 23:17.01 | Axodious | i like yours stan, probably would fade the color to greys though ;p |
| 23:17.17 | Stanzilla | I like the green :) |
| 23:18.53 | steev | Yssaril: what are you comparing? |
| 23:18.55 | Xinhuan | if anyone uses my bar addon, its mainly because its VERY default ui lol |
| 23:19.04 | Yssaril | steev: ?? |
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| 23:19.15 | steev | Xinhuan: i don't want the default ui - just... don't want my buttons to stick |
| 23:19.28 | steev | Yssaril: "YssCompare:10622.19(+25.68) |
| 23:19.29 | Xinhuan | not very sure what u mean anyway |
| 23:19.30 | steev | " |
| 23:19.47 | Axodious | if he pushes down a button it stays in the down position |
| 23:19.47 | Axodious | doesn't release |
| 23:20.01 | steev | correct - the game doesn't register the release |
| 23:20.14 | Axodious | i think a long long time ago i had that problem |
| 23:20.14 | Xinhuan | still not sure what you're talking about |
| 23:20.16 | steev | i really like both bartender and dominos |
| 23:20.26 | Yssaril | steev: ohhh i wrote my own itemstat weight mod (its in a bit of disrepair atm) but that line gives me the totlat weight of my gear with 25.68 points waisted because i am over ther hit cap :) |
| 23:20.29 | Xinhuan | the default UI casts spells onrelease |
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| 23:20.32 | Xinhuan | not onpress |
| 23:20.32 | Amadeo | The only reason I use Dominos is because Bartender sticky frames aren't the same |
| 23:20.38 | steev | Xinhuan: ... |
| 23:20.40 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: I don't use much of the default UI... quest log and esc menu is all I use I think |
| 23:20.43 | steev | Xinhuan: exactly |
| 23:20.43 | Xinhuan | is that what you're talking about? |
| 23:21.01 | steev | my buttons would randomly get stuck in onpress |
| 23:21.11 | Xinhuan | default ui? |
| 23:21.22 | Xinhuan | i've never seen this problem |
| 23:21.24 | steev | no, only with bar mods was it occuring |
| 23:21.40 | steev | i tried 3 different keyboards |
| 23:21.43 | Xinhuan | well since my buttons inherit from default UI, it won't ever occur with mine ;p |
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| 23:22.21 | steev | heh |
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| 23:26.38 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/4tMhp.jpg |
| 23:26.58 | Axodious | rofl! |
| 23:27.16 | Mikk | lmao |
| 23:27.27 | Mikk | they COULD at least have gone like ... "f...mating" |
| 23:28.26 | KriLL3 | Antiarc: censorship ftw? |
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| 23:35.56 | Xinhuan | so NeoTron |
| 23:36.01 | Xinhuan | tried the thing yet |
| 23:40.30 | Ingela | Antiarc, SG is showing up as if i have a missing enchant, but i don't |
| 23:41.06 | Ingela | also meta gem check would be nice for it i think |
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| 23:42.28 | Shadowed | it already checks metas |
| 23:42.35 | Shadowed | and you probably aren't using the latest version |
| 23:42.46 | Ingela | i have alpha settings on it and auto update |
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| 23:42.57 | Shadowed | what enchant |
| 23:43.05 | Ingela | i don't know, it just said 1 missing enhcant |
| 23:43.07 | Ingela | :O |
| 23:43.23 | Shadowed | link armory |
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| 23:44.06 | Ingela | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twilight%27s+Hammer&n=Ingela |
| 23:44.28 | Ingela | maybe it's the back enchant |
| 23:44.37 | Shadowed | No it has an override for that |
| 23:44.58 | Shadowed | hm |
| 23:45.01 | Shadowed | no reason it should say it's missing |
| 23:45.29 | Ingela | make something that says which enchants athat's missing |
| 23:46.45 | Pneumatus | anyone know of an alternative to loggerhead for enabling/disabling combatlog per-zone-per-difficulty? |
| 23:47.12 | Shadowed | I'll look into it later, working on other stuff |
| 23:47.12 | ulic | Pneumatus: just curious. Why? It seems to work for me. |
| 23:47.20 | Ingela | aight Shadowed =) |
| 23:47.31 | Pneumatus | ulic: it wont save certain zones for me, so i get constantly promped (or get no logs) |
| 23:47.36 | Pneumatus | have tried resetting SV, etc |
| 23:47.39 | Xinhuan | whats SG |
| 23:47.46 | Shadowed | @project sexygroup |
| 23:47.47 | Repo | Shadowed: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup/. SexyGroup. Game: WoW. Shadowed (Manager/Author), Antiarc (Maintainer). Updated: 5 hours ago. Tickets: 2/16 |
| 23:47.54 | Shadowed | repo is useful |
| 23:47.59 | Shadowed | if only for that |
| 23:48.42 | ulic | also for |
| 23:48.48 | ulic | @describe sexygroup |
| 23:48.49 | Repo | ulic: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup/. SexyGroup. Know how sexy your group is. |
| 23:48.51 | Xinhuan | i see |
| 23:49.00 | Xinhuan | so its a better scoring system |
| 23:49.03 | ulic | except that's not very descriptive |
| 23:51.22 | Shadowed | it's not a scoring system |
| 23:52.13 | Xinhuan | well not quite |
| 23:52.16 | Pneumatus | apart from the scores |
| 23:52.19 | Pneumatus | which clearly are scores |
| 23:52.25 | Shadowed | you mean average item level? :p |
| 23:52.28 | Shadowed | and lowest item level |
| 23:52.33 | Pneumatus | you say score :P |
| 23:52.40 | Shadowed | "average item level" is too long |
| 23:52.42 | Xinhuan | you should exclude trinkets |
| 23:52.52 | Xinhuan | if you don't already |
| 23:52.58 | Pneumatus | and probably idols/wands |
| 23:53.01 | Xinhuan | there's ilvl200 trinkets that are way better than 245 ones |
| 23:53.03 | Shadowed | no :p |
| 23:53.07 | Shadowed | the point isn't the averages |
| 23:53.09 | Xinhuan | and trinkets are really hard to get |
| 23:53.40 | Shadowed | the item level for the gear is going to be done away with since I changed some stuff I needed to pull more info in |
| 23:53.52 | Shadowed | but the "score" is quite literally going to stay at average item level |
| 23:55.10 | cncfanatics | :o thats a bloody awesome addon |
| 23:55.24 | cncfanatics | No more manualy inspecting people to spot green geared tanks trying to do HoR heroic |
| 23:56.12 | Pneumatus | irrespective, back to what i said hours ago, who gives a crap what people are wearing in 5man heroics, they aren't tuned for icc epics. |
| 23:56.26 | Pneumatus | the only real use would be for pug raid checking |
| 23:56.30 | Shadowed | if your tank is wearing greens in HoR |
| 23:56.33 | Shadowed | I'd be quite worried |
| 23:56.49 | Shadowed | But as I said, it's not going to be a gearscore version of "lol 500 score or gtfo", if you don't care about your pugs gear don't use it |
| 23:57.04 | Shadowed | as long as you aren't an idiot and trying to wear STA gems while a healer, you're not going to get flagged |
| 23:57.29 | cncfanatics | I actualy had a fresh geared 80 tank wanting to do HoR in a mix of blues and greens |
| 23:57.45 | cncfanatics | Pneumatus: He'd simply get raped horribly, HoR is actualy quite anoying |
| 23:58.03 | Pneumatus | ive run a freshly dinged tank through HoR hc |
| 23:59.12 | cncfanatics | How did you manage to not get them twoshot ? |
| 23:59.19 | cncfanatics | (Or are you a disc priest ?) |
| 23:59.25 | WobWork | it's feasible if the rest of the group is up to the challenge |
| 23:59.30 | Shadowed | anyway |
| 23:59.31 | WobWork | but by god it's not easy |
| 23:59.33 | Ingela | i just leveled a dk up to 80, have 2 blues left.. 30k hp.. and some people whine as hell that i shouldn't be doing heroics |
| 23:59.42 | Shadowed | Sexygroup is about giving people an easy way to get information on their group |
| 23:59.43 | Ingela | "you take too much damage!!!" |
| 23:59.45 | Pneumatus | discpriest :< |
| 23:59.54 | Shadowed | it's not an inclusive you follow this or die addon |
