| 00:02.56 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink * r202 / (3 files in 1 directory): Updated encounter database. |
| 00:03.24 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink * r203 Emotes/Emotes.lua: Removed implicit learning. |
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| 00:05.17 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink 071.1.0 * r204 : Creating 1.1.0 development branch |
| 00:07.09 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink 071.1.0 * r205 Rules (7 files in 1 directory): Import of Rules module |
| 00:11.12 | Repo | 10sexygroup: 03Antiarc 07master * 20a1e66 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Added UI for logging group when an instance is completed. |
| 00:15.00 | Fisker | oh u |
| 00:16.36 | NeoTron | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/93/advicecolumn.jpg |
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| 00:19.44 | ckknight | NeoTron: how long will Glogg stay warm when bottled? |
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| 00:20.16 | NeoTron | stay warm? AS long as any other liquid? Dunno, never bottle it |
| 00:20.40 | ckknight | bah |
| 00:20.45 | ckknight | party's in 40 minutes |
| 00:20.48 | NeoTron | in fact usually just used to keep it in a pot at "home home" and heat it on demand |
| 00:21.07 | ckknight | I would if I were just drinking it here |
| 00:21.11 | ckknight | but I'm taking it somewhere |
| 00:21.17 | NeoTron | if you need to bottle/cool it, just put the bottle in the sink filled with cold water |
| 00:21.28 | ckknight | nah, I just need to transport it |
| 00:21.40 | ckknight | I already bottled it |
| 00:22.06 | ckknight | just wondering if I should warm it back up before I leave or whether it'll still be warm enough when I leave |
| 00:22.08 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 00:22.13 | ckknight | I'll make a judgement call then |
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| 00:27.50 | Repo | 10sexygroup: 03Antiarc 07master * 356ae72 / (5 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Add localization and autolocalization script, add custom dialog popup sound |
| 00:27.57 | NeoTron | ah so you wonder whether it needs warming up not the other way around |
| 00:28.05 | NeoTron | I assume there's no easy way to heat it at the destination? |
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| 00:29.43 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup/. SexyGroup. Antiarc (Manager/Author), Shadowed (Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 00:30.41 | Antiarc | It's not ready >:| |
| 00:31.19 | Torhal | Bah |
| 00:31.29 | Antiarc | It's okay. But it's in the planning stages :P |
| 00:31.41 | Antiarc | I mean, TECHNICALLY speaking, it's functional as-is |
| 00:32.48 | Torhal | Antiarc: Just changed it to experimental and development stage as "Planning" |
| 00:33.58 | ckknight | NeoTron: nah, the party will be started by then |
| 00:34.06 | ckknight | NeoTron: note: it's only 4 miles away |
| 00:34.24 | Antiarc | The dev stage is planning |
| 00:34.28 | Antiarc | I don't see the experimental flag |
| 00:34.42 | Torhal | Moderator thinger. |
| 00:34.59 | Torhal | I meant that I already changed them |
| 00:35.07 | Antiarc | Oh, great, thanks |
| 00:36.41 | ckknight | to get it non-experimental, you have to "Resubmit for approval" |
| 00:37.00 | Antiarc | Okay. |
| 00:37.59 | Belazor | Antiarc: Can sexycooldown track debuffs on multiple targets? |
| 00:38.14 | Antiarc | Not as-is, but a module could be written for it, easily |
| 00:38.30 | Belazor | go on then. cause thats why forte is good :p |
| 00:39.06 | Torhal | Belazor: That's one of the few things I actually have enabled for Forte |
| 00:39.12 | Torhal | That and the Warlock modules. |
| 00:39.14 | Torhal | Everything else is off. |
| 00:39.23 | Belazor | Im a padalin so I only have cooldown and debuff on |
| 00:39.32 | Belazor | summon assistant, wtf is that shit |
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| 00:40.00 | Belazor | your never gonna be able to convince your raid leader that you can handle it, so theyll still say DOSE HU WANT SAMON TYPE 123 |
| 00:40.14 | syeren | Is Curse Client bugging or something? |
| 00:40.20 | syeren | Telling me my .net install is broken or something. |
| 00:40.21 | syeren | >_> |
| 00:41.08 | VonhintenHOME` | I wonder why there's no push to get Rawr.Rogue up to and beyond the spreadsheets |
| 00:43.26 | Repo | 10all-played-laotseu: 03LaoTseu * r176 AllPlayed.toc: AllPlayed: |
| 00:43.28 | Repo | - New version tag 30300-1 in preparation for beta release |
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| 00:44.30 | ckknight | syeren: it's not, it has over 100k users now. |
| 00:45.02 | Stanzilla | just install .net framework manually |
| 00:45.04 | syeren | How long until I can use it to update my addons then :p? |
| 00:45.11 | syeren | I tried repairing and so on >_> |
| 00:45.18 | ckknight | until your .net framework is fixed, my guess |
| 00:45.19 | syeren | It was working fine 7 hours ago,. |
| 00:45.33 | syeren | So my .net framework broke in the 7 hours my PC was idle? |
| 00:45.37 | syeren | Nice. |
| 00:45.42 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 00:45.56 | Repo | 10lib-st: 03ddumont * r133 Core.lua: Testing support for a minimal dataset |
| 00:46.18 | ckknight | syeren: file a ticket. |
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| 00:46.50 | Fisker | so Antiarc is it in nowhere near usable state Antiarc ? |
| 00:47.55 | Repo | 10all-played-laotseu: 03LaoTseu 0430300-1-beta-1 * r177 : Tagging as 30300-1-beta-1 |
| 00:48.04 | Megalon | puts Fisker nowhere near usable |
| 00:48.30 | Torhal | you wouldn't use SexyGroups Fisker |
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| 00:51.11 | NeoTron | thing with forte is the code sucks. badly :P |
| 00:51.33 | Groktar | @project forte |
| 00:51.34 | Repo | Groktar: No project found that matches 'forte' |
| 00:51.40 | Groktar | what's forte? |
| 00:52.02 | Stanzilla | ForteXorzist |
| 00:52.06 | Antiarc | It's not usable, no, Fisker |
| 00:52.08 | NeoTron | it has a bunch of addons written to make a warlocks life easier |
| 00:52.38 | Bruners | Antiarc: is/was there a custom channel linker thing in chatter? |
| 00:54.16 | Torhal | NeoTron: My favorite thing in Forte's code is the global "_" |
| 00:54.41 | Groktar | sounds like a good name to me |
| 00:55.04 | NeoTron | Torhal: heh the "_" is magic... right.. isn't it? yeah it is! |
| 00:55.19 | NeoTron | it has tons of "foo"..something..something else |
| 00:55.23 | NeoTron | that's run all the time too |
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| 00:57.01 | Antiarc | Bruners: Yes, I need to disable it |
| 00:58.10 | NeoTron | did they enable links in all channels? |
| 00:58.18 | Bruners | yes |
| 00:58.25 | Groktar | orly |
| 00:58.38 | NeoTron | basically "so many people used an addon that did it anyway, we're not saving any bandwidth (or whatever the argument was)? :P |
| 00:59.20 | NeoTron | definitely been many illogical changes/limitations in WoW |
| 00:59.25 | Fisker | Antiarc -1.0 seconds ftw |
| 00:59.28 | NeoTron | like the famous 8 debuff limit :P |
| 00:59.31 | ulic | Antiarc: I think those wait times might not be so useful, becuase they don't seem accurate. Right now it says tank wait 4s, but yet that's the only role we're missing :) |
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| 00:59.53 | Antiarc | ulic: It's been fairly accurate for me in general |
| 01:00.02 | Antiarc | It's just the numbers that WoW gives me :P |
| 01:00.08 | Antiarc | Also |
| 01:00.10 | Antiarc | The reason that you're missing that role |
| 01:00.13 | Antiarc | Is that demand is high |
| 01:00.16 | Primer | I really like the cross realm LFG thing. I was able to get into a SM run with people my level in less than 1 minute! |
| 01:00.18 | Antiarc | Thus, wait time for a tank player is 4s |
| 01:00.22 | Primer | 32 prot pally |
| 01:00.22 | Antiarc | You are tank-starved |
| 01:00.27 | Antiarc | So the wait time makes perfect sense :P |
| 01:00.37 | NeoTron | 4 seconds isn't very long |
| 01:00.45 | Primer | well, I don't know how long they were waiting for me though :) |
| 01:01.47 | ulic | good call on the centering of the status window and the text items, very nice. |
| 01:02.08 | Antiarc | glad you like it :) |
| 01:02.08 | Shadowed | back |
| 01:02.20 | Shadowed | are you done yet Antiarc |
| 01:02.30 | Antiarc | I have the survey module working just fine |
| 01:02.35 | Antiarc | I'm doing an actual group now to test it |
| 01:02.37 | Shadowed | which one is the survey module |
| 01:02.44 | Antiarc | group history |
| 01:02.47 | Groktar | mmm |
| 01:02.49 | Shadowed | kk |
| 01:02.51 | Groktar | 8 debuff limit |
| 01:02.55 | Shadowed | Will have to figure out a UI to pull everything together |
| 01:02.58 | Groktar | gets deep wounds and puts up rend |
| 01:03.07 | Shadowed | I'm thinking one panel that shows gear/dungeon info/group history and another for achievements |
| 01:03.43 | Bruners | what are you making ? |
| 01:03.57 | Shadowed | @project sexygroup |
| 01:03.58 | Repo | Shadowed: "http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup/. SexyGroup. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. Pre-mature approval. Apparently it isn't ready for prime-time.\r . Antiarc (Manager/Author), Shadowed (Author). Updated: 35 minutes ago" |
| 01:06.11 | Torhal | ckknight: Bah. You're at a party so you can't fix that "\r" issue and I'm too damn lazy to ticket it. |
| 01:08.46 | Belazor | Antiarc: How much dya want to write that multi-target debuff tracker module for SexyCooldown? xP Cause if I'm, say, CCing in HoR I kinda need to know how long until Fear breaks. And I'm too hardcore to use focus targets. Also there's the fact that to maximise DPS a Paladin is supposed to try to keep Righteous Vengeance on as many targets as possible. |
| 01:08.49 | Shadowed | also the quote breaks the URL for mIRC :> |
| 01:10.03 | Torhal | Shadowed: Can we start a "My IRC client is better than your IRC client" flame war? |
| 01:10.03 | Torhal | I bet Fisker would join. |
| 01:10.07 | Shadowed | Fisker would join regardless |
| 01:10.10 | Fisker | mirc is awesome |
| 01:10.11 | Torhal | True. |
| 01:12.46 | Repo | 10chatter: 03Antiarc 04v1.1 * a5b084c /: [new tag, +1 commits] Tagging as 1.1 |
| 01:13.40 | Shadowed | question.mp3 is a nice touch Antiarc :p |
| 01:14.21 | Antiarc | :D |
| 01:15.05 | Repo | 10chatter: 03Antiarc 07master * v1.1-2-g73b08c6 modules.xml: [+2 commits] |
| 01:15.07 | Repo | 73b08c6: Merge branch 'master' of git.wowace.com:wow/chatter/mainline |
| 01:15.08 | Repo | a4f7cf5: Disable ChatLink module. It's stock in 3.3 |
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| 01:15.45 | Shadowed | mm wonder if this UI is doable in AceGUI |
| 01:15.54 | Antiarc | AceGUI is very flexible. |
| 01:16.57 | Stanzilla | Antiarc: module disabled, does that mean I get CLINK:: bla spam now for people that still use the addon way? :P |
| 01:17.20 | Antiarc | yes, but it also means you don't send clinks |
| 01:17.52 | Stanzilla | why didn't you just leave it read only? |
| 01:18.23 | Antiarc | durr |
| 01:18.25 | Shadowed | Hrm |
| 01:19.06 | Shadowed | I don't think you can do clean columns in AceGUI-3.0 right now |
| 01:19.20 | Mikk | no, you can't |
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| 01:19.27 | Shadowed | Custom interface it is |
| 01:19.44 | Mikk | if the column bit is just a small part you can always write a custom control |
| 01:19.49 | Repo | 10chatter: 03Antiarc 07master * v1.1-3-gacedaa0 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Re-enable chatlink module. It was already fixed. :V |
| 01:19.57 | Stanzilla | Antiarc: :p |
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| 01:19.59 | Shadowed | No I'll need a bunch of columns |
| 01:20.04 | Shadowed | and they'll need scrolls/sorting/etc so |
| 01:20.07 | Shadowed | I'll just do it myself |
| 01:20.21 | Repo | 10chatter: 03Antiarc 04v1.1.1 * 90705ee /: [new tag] Tagging as 1.1.1 |
| 01:20.26 | Mikk | mmm wtb good scrollsheet lib |
| 01:20.51 | Shadowed | Antiarc: Probably going to rip apart all the DB code by the way once this is more done |
| 01:20.58 | Antiarc | That's fine |
| 01:21.01 | Shadowed | kk |
| 01:21.06 | Antiarc | I'm painting in broad strokes right now |
| 01:21.10 | Shadowed | fair! |
| 01:21.10 | Antiarc | Everythign can be broken :) |
| 01:21.14 | Shadowed | :> |
| 01:21.35 | Shadowed | It's nice that I've done most of this UI stuff before and can steal code |
| 01:22.03 | Mikk | now if only i could commit |
| 01:22.07 | Mikk | shoots git |
| 01:22.19 | Shadowed | ? |
| 01:22.34 | Mikk | git hates me. refuses to connect to wowace git repo |
| 01:22.37 | Shadowed | haha |
| 01:23.12 | Mikk | been over the msysgit install instructions for hours, and the guides up on wowace |
| 01:23.24 | Repo | 10ensidiafails: 03mysticalos * r197 EnsidiaFails.lua: Improve on option name for explosion sensitive |
| 01:23.30 | Mikk | reinstalled several times trying different approaches (which ssh client to use) |
| 01:23.31 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 01:23.34 | Mikk | it hates me |
| 01:23.35 | Mikk | so i hate it |
| 01:27.41 | SunTsu | Mikk: any news about your lockup investigation? |
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| 01:29.49 | p3lim | are there any 3.3 compatible addons that will let you move the watch frame now? |
| 01:29.51 | Funkeh` | Antiarc, they removed chatlinks? |
| 01:29.56 | Shadowed | No they built it in |
| 01:30.05 | Funkeh` | thats what im asking |
| 01:30.11 | Shadowed | and by "built it in" I mena, they reenabled links in custom channels |
| 01:30.16 | Shadowed | that they disabled back in 1.6 or something |
| 01:30.28 | Funkeh` | ... |
| 01:30.33 | Funkeh` | ill try a different approach |
| 01:30.39 | Funkeh` | why did he reenable it in his addon |
| 01:30.55 | Shadowed | So people don't see CLINKS for those who don't update and remove sending it |
| 01:31.16 | Funkeh` | seeing clinks is a good thing |
| 01:31.17 | Antiarc | Is it possible to get the ID of the instance you're currently in? |
| 01:31.24 | Funkeh` | then people will get bitched at to update |
| 01:31.26 | Shadowed | no |
| 01:31.39 | Shadowed | I assume you mean the ID ID, not just the lockout ID? |
| 01:31.45 | Shadowed | Or do you mean like the map ID |
| 01:31.52 | Antiarc | No, ID as in raid ID |
| 01:32.00 | Shadowed | raid ID that |
| 01:32.00 | Fisker | i brr'd Antiarc |
| 01:32.10 | Shadowed | You don't need it do you? |
| 01:32.55 | Antiarc | Don't need it, but would be nice to have |
| 01:32.57 | Antiarc | No biggie |
| 01:33.01 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 01:33.23 | Shadowed | The best you could do is loop through the raids and comprae GetRealZoneText() and the instance name |
| 01:34.12 | Stanzilla | p3lim: /script WatchFrame:SetPoint("TOPRIGHT",UIParent,"TOPRIGHT",-160,-10); WatchFrame.SetPoint = function () end |
| 01:34.40 | Fisker | ses på grillen Stanzilla |
| 01:34.47 | Antiarc | p3lim: Sexymap does |
| 01:35.17 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic * r10 Broker_LFD.lua: |
| 01:35.19 | Repo | Switched order of tank/healer on the text display so it matches the graphical display |
| 01:35.48 | Antiarc | Shadowed: ruby strings . > localization\enUS.lua |
| 01:35.50 | Antiarc | Just FYI |
| 01:35.55 | Antiarc | Is v. nice |
| 01:36.04 | Shadowed | yea I'll have to install ruby |
| 01:36.10 | Shadowed | I've just used lua for my local generation |
| 01:37.34 | airtonix | why is mirc awesome |
| 01:37.39 | airtonix | sell me |
| 01:37.50 | Shadowed | You know jesus? |
| 01:37.51 | Shadowed | Jesus made mIRC |
| 01:37.59 | airtonix | he was here ealier choofing bongs |
| 01:38.34 | airtonix | so a stoned zombie made mirc? |
| 01:38.47 | Shadowed | pre-zombie jesus |
| 01:38.55 | p3lim | Stanzilla: that breaks the whole watchframe, already tried it |
| 01:39.32 | Fisker | you simply wouldn't Shadowed |
| 01:39.49 | VonhintenHOME` | Does ora3 not have a broker interface yet? |
| 01:40.10 | VonhintenHOME` | And how do I hide or lock this cooldowns window? |
| 01:40.54 | Fisker | rtfm |
| 01:41.02 | Fisker | or simply use 5 seconds in the ui to figure it out |
| 01:48.53 | VonhintenHOME` | lol, cause it made lots of sense to have both a right click configuration screen, and a separate configuration screen attached to the raid frame... but thanks |
| 01:55.35 | Antiarc | Shadowed: http://i48.tinypic.com/2gt0uxf.jpg |
| 01:55.36 | Antiarc | Thoughts? |
| 01:56.44 | Shadowed | Being completely picky, I would make it 2x2, and add some help text above saying something like "Rate and make notes on the players in your group" |
| 01:57.00 | Shadowed | then remove the "Rate this player's performance" |
| 01:57.13 | Shadowed | Looks a little odd have Rate this player's performance 4 times |
| 01:57.19 | Antiarc | yeah |
| 01:57.30 | Shadowed | but looks good |
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| 02:01.38 | Shadowed | Hrm, gear UI is definitely a bit of an odd one to do |
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| 02:02.43 | onaforeignshore | quick question - the new blizzard quest tracker - is there any way to resize it? |
| 02:03.09 | Repo | 10mr-plow: 03wobin * r140 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added tag v10.2.6-Beta for changeset fc16d80ecce0 |
| 02:03.11 | Repo | MrPlow - Fix for the damn Spring Flowers that don't have an official equipslot location |
| 02:03.12 | Repo | Also scope fix for those who had clashing Items |
| 02:06.15 | Shot` | Does it take a while for repository auths to upadte? |
| 02:06.17 | Shot` | *update |
| 02:06.25 | Torhal | Wobin: Damn those spring flowers! |
| 02:06.34 | Aeyan | I love my spring flowers |
| 02:06.50 | Aeyan | I hit every tank possible with them |
| 02:06.56 | Shadowed | You think it's even worthwhile to show the item name by default Antiarc? I'm almost thinking of going with a two icon display. One icon is the item equipped (mousing over it shows the item link) the other is the item type (shield for tank, healing spell for healer, dps spell for dps, etc) and mousing over that would show why it's a DPS item etc |
| 02:07.08 | Shadowed | Could toss the ilvl inside the icon too |
| 02:07.13 | Torhal | Shot`: It takes however long it takes for me to visit the project queue page to approve the project. I just so happen to have seen your message :P |
| 02:07.25 | Wobin | No Goddamned equipSlot! |
| 02:07.26 | Shadowed | Only problem is, it might not be inituitive to start with |
| 02:07.52 | Shadowed | Well, showing item names is an issue because it uses a lot of space to show even half of the item name |
| 02:08.02 | Shot` | Ah, thanks :) |
| 02:08.15 | Shot` | Now then - what's this I'm being told about svn:eol-style for libs? |
| 02:08.34 | Torhal | Shot`: Windows? |
| 02:08.38 | Shot` | yes |
| 02:09.09 | Torhal | Right-click the file, select TortoiseSVN (which I'm assuming you're using), go to Properties, add a new style |
| 02:09.18 | Torhal | Or whatever. I'm on Linux runnig from memory |
| 02:09.20 | Shot` | I fount the section in the packaging guide |
| 02:09.26 | Shot` | Must have skipped by it earlier :) |
| 02:09.27 | Shot` | *found |
| 02:10.24 | Antiarc | Shadowed: If mouseover gives tooltip, no sense in putting the name |
| 02:10.42 | onaforeignshore | quick question - the new blizzard quest tracker - is there any way to resize it? |
| 02:10.52 | Shadowed | Yea saves me a lot of space anywa |
| 02:11.43 | Torhal | onaforeignshore: I don't believe anyone has joined the channel since the last time you asked that question - eight minutes ago. |
| 02:11.48 | Torhal | :D |
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| 02:12.04 | Shadowed | HELLO |
| 02:13.12 | onaforeignshore | solved it myself (with the help of Spew) /script WatchFrame:SetHeight(x) |
| 02:16.19 | Wobin | Society for the Promotion of Elfish Welfare? |
| 02:17.49 | onaforeignshore | lol |
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| 02:20.39 | Wobin | file propogation to curse.com down? |
| 02:21.38 | CrazyBenny_ | wait a bit longer |
| 02:25.23 | Torhal | Wobin: It's Friday. It traditionally dies on weekends. Or it's just taking awhile. |
| 02:26.28 | Wobin | what's the German translation for Gem |
| 02:26.35 | Wobin | (as in the equipment type) |
| 02:26.38 | Wobin | er item type |
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| 02:27.44 | kandarz | Mapster question: how do I move the minimized map? everything has mouse disabled |
| 02:30.34 | Gnarfoz | ulic, Antiarc: http://local.geektour.de/broker_lfd.jpg - this is weird :| |
| 02:30.59 | Gnarfoz | is that an artifact of using b2f maybe? |
| 02:31.55 | Repo | 10mr-plow: 03wobin * r142 / (3 files in 2 directories): Added tag v10.2.6.1-Beta for changeset b0db54218637 |
| 02:31.57 | Repo | MrPlow - Changed the localisation to the autogen version for zhTW and frFR |
| 02:35.40 | CrazyBenny_ | dont use fubar:S |
| 02:36.07 | Repo | 10mr-plow: 03wobin * r145 / (2 files in 2 directories): Added tag v10.2.6.1-Beta for changeset 645e1c204391 |
| 02:36.09 | Repo | Removed tag v10.2.6.1-Beta |
| 02:36.10 | Repo | MrPlow -Missed a spot.. |
| 02:36.58 | Wobin | takes the opportunity of the lack of propogation to futz around with the autolocalalisation |
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| 02:39.09 | Repo | 10mr-plow: 03wobin * r146 .hgtags: Added tag v10.2.6.2-Beta for changeset c8a45446c251 |
| 02:40.03 | Wobin | woot |
| 02:40.05 | Wobin | hope that works |
| 02:42.20 | kadrahil | is EJ down for anyone else? |
| 02:42.45 | CrazyBenny_ | kadrahil: nope |
| 02:43.09 | kadrahil | hmm |
| 02:43.22 | kadrahil | i sense a routing issue somewhere |
| 02:49.02 | kadrahil | heh, reset router and it gets through now |
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| 02:58.11 | Repo | 10handy-notes_trainers: 03zarevak * r58 / (3 files in 2 directories): small typo fix |
| 02:58.44 | Repo | 10handy-notes_trainers: 03zarevak * r59 addon.lua: small tweak |
| 02:59.15 | Repo | 10handy-notes_trainers: 03zarevak 04v1.2.1 Release * r60 : Tagging as v1.2.1 Release. Small fixes |
| 02:59.59 | Gnarfoz | CrazyBenny_: no reason not to |
| 03:00.59 | Gnarfoz | kadrahil: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.elitistjerks.com :D |
| 03:03.13 | kadrahil | Gnarfoz: yeah i forgot about that :( |
| 03:03.36 | kadrahil | aaaaaaaand boom goes the world server |
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| 03:19.16 | Repo | 10facade-buffs: 03CrazyBenny * r34 / (2 files in 1 directory): TemporaryEnchantFrame -> ConsolidatedBuffs |
| 03:23.26 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03Shefki * r1896 Aura/Filter.lua: Get rid of the error throwing when a spell id is wrong. |
| 03:25.00 | KriLL3 | does the blizzard scrolling combat text have a max amount of displayed lines or something? it doesn't display some of the things that happen always |
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| 03:28.00 | Adremma | I'm managing to get addon taint problems outside of combat. Should I be wondering if I'm on drugs of some kind? |
| 03:34.54 | Shot` | Something to add to a list of "amusing things in Blizzard's lua" |
| 03:34.57 | Shot` | "--Horrible hack to deal with a bug in embedded font strings. FIXME" |
| 03:35.14 | Shot` | local yOffset = 2*(numRoles-1)-2;--Formula derived through testing. |
| 03:38.03 | VonhintenHOME` | wtf |
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| 03:47.08 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: a.k.a. "we don't know what the fuck is wrong" ^^ |
| 03:47.25 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 03:47.28 | Gnarfoz | I meant Shot` |
| 03:49.44 | Shot` | ^^ |
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| 03:56.26 | Repo | 10recount: 03Elsia 04v3.3 release * r1095 : Tagging as v3.3 release |
| 03:56.46 | Antiarc | The Heading Ace3-GUI widget type isn't working for me |
| 03:56.51 | Antiarc | Is there something special to do with it? |
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| 04:11.06 | Antiarc | ah |
| 04:11.07 | Antiarc | header.width = "fill" |
| 04:11.15 | Antiarc | Doesn't work unless you do that. |
| 04:11.15 | Antiarc | Odd. |
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| 04:18.53 | Antiarc | oRA3 someone - http://i.imgur.com/a1zre.jpg |
| 04:19.01 | Antiarc | The cooldowns box has two different fonts |
| 04:19.05 | Antiarc | It's kind of ugly. |
| 04:20.41 | Shot` | Why does my addon not appear on curse and/or here in irc when I commit? |
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| 04:21.00 | Torhal | Shot`: You mean in IRC? |
| 04:21.23 | Shot` | Well, I can't see it on curse.com either |
| 04:21.23 | Torhal | Shot`: If so, /join #curseforge |
| 04:21.55 | Torhal | You just tagged it. Synchronization takes a few minutes or longer depending on commit traffic |
| 04:22.17 | Shot` | Do beta tags not appear there? |
| 04:23.21 | Torhal | They should - they just won't be accessible from the Curse Client unless the user specifies that they want Betas |
| 04:24.02 | Torhal | Though it's entirely possible that the synchronization mechanism is down - has happened a few times before, and usually on weekends when nobody is around to fix it. |
| 04:24.46 | Shot` | I edited the file to re-tag it as a release, and it still had;t appeared - so I'm going with the snafu option :) |
| 04:25.17 | Torhal | Yah - http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/broker_dungeonfinder.aspx goes to an error page |
| 04:25.39 | Antiarc | @describe broker_dungeonfinder |
| 04:25.40 | Repo | Antiarc: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/broker_dungeonfinder/. Broker_DungeonFinder. A lightweight Data Broker plugin to display Dungeon Finder status. |
| 04:25.54 | Antiarc | Torhal: Broker_LFD does that >_> |
| 04:25.58 | Antiarc | I added that functionality last night |
| 04:26.26 | Torhal | Antiarc: I was just giving Shot` what will eventually be the URL to his own project :) |
| 04:26.34 | Antiarc | Oh. |
| 04:26.41 | Antiarc | Well then, redirect what I said to Shot` then >_> |
| 04:26.52 | Antiarc | casts Tricks of the Trade on Shot` |
| 04:27.00 | Torhal | Misdirect! |
| 04:28.28 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03Shefki * r1897 Aura/Filter.lua: Update the Aura filters, copy and paste job from PitBull4. |
| 04:28.49 | Torhal | Shefki: Not letting it die, eh? :) |
| 04:29.01 | Shot` | Antiarc: booo, clearly I failed when I did a quick search for an existing one ^^ |
| 04:30.38 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03Shefki * r1898 / (30 files in 30 directories): TOC Bumps for 3.3.0 |
| 04:30.58 | Antiarc | If it makes you feel any better, I started to write one last night, then found Broker_LFD |
| 04:32.51 | Shot` | I'm obviously not very good at searching, I wrote a role indicator for pitbull too and then updated to alpha and found there was one already there |
| 04:33.07 | Shot` | So I joined a group and had 2 identical indicators on every frame \o/ |
| 04:33.16 | arkanes | is broker_lfd a thing that already exists? |
| 04:33.31 | arkanes | or do I need to wait for Shot to finish his addon |
| 04:33.42 | KriLL3 | arkanes: what would it do? |
| 04:33.49 | arkanes | .. man I fail at autoscroll |
| 04:33.56 | Antiarc | yes, arkanes |
| 04:34.01 | Antiarc | @describe broker_lfd |
| 04:34.03 | Repo | Antiarc: http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_lfd/. Broker_LFD. LFD status via a DataBroker display rather than the minimap. |
| 04:34.20 | KriLL3 | can you right click it to teleport etc? |
| 04:34.23 | Antiarc | yes |
| 04:34.33 | arkanes | I need to switch to SUF from xperl some time, so I can get indicators on my unit frames |
| 04:35.08 | KriLL3 | nice, though I don't have a broker addon running atm, wow crashes less when running less addons |
| 04:35.31 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03Shefki 04v3.2.15 * r1899 : Tagging as v3.2.15 now stop bugging me about PB3 |
| 04:35.57 | KriLL3 | Shefki: are people still using PB3? |
| 04:36.10 | Shefki | What do you think? |
| 04:36.14 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 04:36.32 | KriLL3 | isn't PB4 superior in every way? |
| 04:36.48 | Shefki | Yes. But "OMG I have to setup from scratch" |
| 04:36.56 | Groktar | lies |
| 04:37.00 | Groktar | you're just a masochist |
| 04:37.02 | Groktar | >.> |
| 04:37.13 | eidolarr | that isn't too unreasonable a stance given how involved configuration isin PB3 :P |
| 04:37.36 | KriLL3 | the configuration in PB3 is a trainwreck garnished with insanity |
| 04:37.37 | Shefki | At any rate... |
| 04:37.43 | Shefki | The aura filtering is identical to PB4 now. |
| 04:37.47 | Shefki | And it doesn't throw errors. |
| 04:37.48 | Antiarc | I'm running like 900 addons with no crashes |
| 04:37.55 | Shefki | It just prints something harmlessly to the chat box. |
| 04:38.06 | Shefki | So that's probably the last update I'll do. |
| 04:38.11 | KriLL3 | a lot better in PB4, though I wish you could leave stuff to "default" and control some elements in all layouts by chaining the "normal" |
| 04:38.23 | KriLL3 | or some other way to link settings across multiple layouts |
| 04:38.36 | weab | huh. i'm still using 3 because i didn't even know there was a 4 |
| 04:38.42 | KriLL3 | Antiarc: I've disabled the bulk of mine, don't crash as often now |
| 04:38.43 | Shefki | KriLL3: I have some ideas on that but it's just not something that I've gotten to. |
| 04:38.57 | eidolarr | my only issue with PB4 is that there are like two aura modules that use the same terminology for "filtering" and if you're dumb like me it's confusing |
| 04:39.00 | KriLL3 | Shefki: kk :) |
| 04:39.31 | Shefki | Unfortunately right now I've been looking for a job instead of pretending like PB is my job. |
| 04:39.49 | eidolarr | where you looking? |
| 04:39.59 | Shefki | Seattle area |
| 04:40.07 | eidolarr | MS? |
| 04:40.13 | Shefki | No |
| 04:40.26 | eidolarr | what then? |
| 04:40.37 | eidolarr | and why not >.> |
| 04:40.43 | Shefki | I'm a Unix guy. |
| 04:40.50 | eidolarr | me too |
| 04:40.54 | eidolarr | most of them are |
| 04:41.14 | Shefki | And I haven't really worked on Windows since Windows 98 was current. |
| 04:41.23 | eidolarr | i'm applying to work there, final round interview on tuesday |
| 04:41.37 | eidolarr | yeah same, but they're doing some really interesting stuff with tools for distributed programming |
| 04:42.21 | eidolarr | what kind of companies are you looking at? |
| 04:43.32 | Shadowed | Antiarc ping |
| 04:44.14 | Shefki | eidolarr: Two aura modules? |
| 04:44.40 | Shefki | And I've been looking at mostly smaller private companies. |
| 04:44.46 | Antiarc | Shadowed: pong |
| 04:45.22 | Shadowed | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2522/4178255602_8cb40d0260_o.png how's that |
| 04:45.37 | Shadowed | Spacing between the level and type need to be a little closer, but besides that |
| 04:45.47 | Antiarc | Nice. |
| 04:45.51 | Antiarc | 100% more readable |
| 04:45.52 | Shot` | That's a lot of pants |
| 04:45.59 | Shadowed | Yea I like this one more |
| 04:46.10 | Antiarc | Maybe add a green check/red X |
| 04:46.26 | Shadowed | Green check if it's "accurate" to spec type, red if not? |
| 04:46.35 | Antiarc | yes |
| 04:46.38 | Shadowed | I like that |
| 04:47.39 | rmk_ | Yes, I was avoiding having to reconfigure PB |
| 04:47.52 | rmk_ | But it looks like I have to invest some time into PB4 |
| 04:48.19 | Shefki | KriLL3: There are lots of comments like so: "Has the author totally stopped bug fixing with V3.0, due to work on v4.0. Though for myself V3.0 dispite taking ages to configure once you know how it works its 100 times better than v4.0 so far, I just wish a few bugs could be fixed with v3.0" |
| 04:48.32 | Shefki | They're nuts. |
| 04:48.35 | Shefki | But that's what they believe. |
| 04:48.37 | Shadowed | What you really need to do |
| 04:48.50 | Shadowed | Is set it so randomly in the next week, wipe all of their settings and say it was a bug |
| 04:48.51 | KriLL3 | is kill 3.0 |
| 04:48.58 | KriLL3 | or that |
| 04:49.12 | KriLL3 | or just code in bugs so that it's really really weird to use |
| 04:49.16 | rmk_ | I don't want to switch only because I have PB3 working just the way I want.. not because there's anything wrong or lacking in PB4 |
| 04:49.19 | Shefki | KriLL3: It has tons of bugs. |
| 04:49.25 | Shadowed | well |
| 04:49.27 | Shefki | It freaking taints the frames. |
| 04:49.28 | Shadowed | think of it this way |
| 04:49.32 | rmk_ | Im switching |
| 04:49.39 | rmk_ | Next few hours is unit frame config |
| 04:49.41 | Shefki | It blows up in remarkably bad ways in combat. |
| 04:49.45 | Shadowed | If it took like 4 days to get a spellID changed, do you think anything else will get fixed quickly :> |
| 04:50.01 | Shefki | Shadowed: It took more than 4 days. |
| 04:50.08 | Shefki | Shadowed: There has been a broken spell id since 3.2.2. |
| 04:50.11 | KriLL3 | Shefki: well people I know still use cartographer and things I'm mad for recommending mapster + etc |
| 04:50.15 | Shadowed | oh has there? |
| 04:50.27 | Shefki | I'm just tired of the "PB3 throws this error" and then people throwing around patches to fix it. |
| 04:50.30 | rmk_ | There's no excuse to use cartographer |
| 04:50.43 | rmk_ | Switching to mapster + helpers is trivial |
| 04:50.49 | rmk_ | It's not the same as PB3 to PB4 |
| 04:51.12 | Aeyan | The only thing I missed from cart after I switched a long time ago was the remove borders and empty space thing |
| 04:51.16 | Shefki | rmk_: I totally understand it's an investment of time to switch. |
| 04:51.23 | Aeyan | The reduced bugs and overhead was worth it though |
| 04:51.26 | Aeyan | and now, it's back! |
| 04:51.28 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 04:51.32 | KriLL3 | well sure you might have configured PB3 to your liking, sit down and mirror it in PB4, shouldn't take long |
| 04:51.51 | rmk_ | KriLL3: That's what Im going to do |
| 04:51.57 | KriLL3 | didn't for me, and I got quite custom setup |
| 04:52.09 | rmk_ | It'll take about an hour or two for me |
| 04:52.20 | rmk_ | I customize a lot in PB3 but it sounds like its time to switch |
| 04:52.35 | rmk_ | What's going to happen with Quartz? |
| 04:52.42 | KriLL3 | 4's options are a lot easier to use |
| 04:52.57 | Shefki | KriLL3: Gonna be honest. |
| 04:53.03 | Shefki | Half the people will say what you just said. |
| 04:53.12 | Shefki | And the other half scream bloody murder that PB4 is confusing to them. |
| 04:53.18 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 04:53.23 | eidolarr | it's very different |
| 04:53.29 | eidolarr | would it be possible to write a porting tool? |
| 04:53.37 | eidolarr | not possible, feasible |
| 04:53.40 | KriLL3 | well it's not PB3, what's why it's confusing to them, and PB3 was weird as hell |
| 04:57.27 | Shot` | Antiarc: On the positive side, Broker_LFD doesn't do quite what I wanted |
| 04:57.41 | Antiarc | Shot`: Hah, woot |
| 04:57.46 | Shot` | So I'll carry on with my amateur ways and make my own dodgy addon :) |
| 04:57.53 | Antiarc | \o/ |
| 04:58.16 | Shot` | I initially wanted just a simple text display showing the status of my group, so I could monitor its formation without needing to hover over anything |
| 04:58.21 | Shot` | And I've got that working well |
| 04:58.24 | Shot` | Anything else is extra |
| 04:59.24 | airtonix | Shefki, cool let them scream. lunaticss raging in a galss box are entertaining to watch like children throwing tantrums in a supermarket |
| 04:59.55 | Shot` | And I've just returned to wow from EVE after 18 months, where WoW is a curse word ^^ |
| 05:00.08 | Shot` | It's nice to be able to play with addons and things myself |
| 05:00.10 | airtonix | wow is a curse word in wow |
| 05:00.19 | Shot` | meh |
| 05:00.23 | airtonix | so is meh |
| 05:00.25 | airtonix | and eh |
| 05:00.33 | Shot` | ^^ |
| 05:00.40 | airtonix | and all other derisive and apathetic emoticons |
| 05:04.06 | Shefki | The latest annoyance is the people who think I should build Clique into PB4. |
| 05:06.03 | airtonix | those people need to die |
| 05:06.15 | airtonix | in pain |
| 05:06.34 | Shefki | Their logic doesn't even make sense. |
| 05:06.39 | Shefki | "I'd rather run 1 addon than 3" |
| 05:06.48 | Shefki | And then they say "Even if it's only a module." |
| 05:06.52 | airtonix | i bet it has something to do with a) healbot b) they used healbot |
| 05:06.52 | Shefki | Hello, module = addon |
| 05:07.00 | Shefki | It is. |
| 05:08.27 | airtonix | it also has something to do with them being consumer grade windows users. |
| 05:08.56 | airtonix | they are probably the kind that go to hardware stores and buy those stupid tools that have 50 things in one object |
| 05:09.21 | airtonix | then throw it out when the only thing they used on that object breaks |
| 05:09.39 | Shefki | All in one fax, copier, printer, scanner. |
| 05:09.43 | Shefki | I hate those things. |
| 05:09.45 | airtonix | these people won't survive the zombie plague that is coming |
| 05:14.24 | Shot` | This just in: there aren't any tanks for random normal wotlk dungeons at 5:15am |
| 05:14.28 | eidolarr | Shefki: do you run WoW on linux? |
| 05:15.51 | Antiarc | Shefki: Sounds like a job for Pitbull-Clique, which is just an svn:externals! :D |
| 05:16.51 | Shefki | No |
| 05:17.24 | airtonix | eidolarr, read comments here : http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=18555 |
| 05:17.39 | Shefki | I play on a Mac |
| 05:18.26 | eidolarr | thanks |
| 05:18.27 | eidolarr | ah |
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| 05:37.33 | VonhintenHOME` | I swear there's something wrong with /startattack |
| 05:38.03 | VonhintenHOME` | I feel like sometimes I'm not even swinging when I'm spamming my Sinister Strike macro which has /startattack at the end |
| 05:41.57 | weab | what would you need that for? |
| 05:42.03 | KriLL3 | anyone else getting a wall of yellow "you unlearned..." and then "you have learned..." and a blinking spell book tabs on spec switch? didn't get that in 3.2 |
| 05:42.54 | CrazyBenny_ | I was always seeing it |
| 05:42.54 | arkanes | it happened in 3.2 also |
| 05:43.02 | KriLL3 | hmm I didn't |
| 05:43.11 | KriLL3 | might have been some addon I used that removed it |
| 05:46.48 | rmk_ | Is there any way to get PB4 to combine buffs and debuffs like PB3 did? |
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| 06:05.09 | ulic | anyone having issues no combat logging? |
| 06:10.59 | rmk_ | Hmm, I cannot seem to find a way to split/unsplit debuffs in PB4 in a similar way to PB3 |
| 06:17.02 | Repo | 10magic-targets: 03dhedbor * r93 MagicTargets.toc: Tagged for 3.3. Repackaged with new dependencies. |
| 06:20.50 | Wobin | ulic, happened to me, restart fixed it |
| 06:20.55 | Wobin | (I also deleted my log) |
| 06:21.21 | KriLL3 | ulic: that's a common bug, and yes restarting fixes it |
| 06:24.02 | ulic | thanks |
| 06:38.09 | Shot` | http://wow.curse.com/forums/t/136318.aspx |
| 06:38.12 | Shot` | wow, big fail |
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| 06:47.58 | KriLL3 | the random caps are a nice touch |
| 06:48.17 | rmk_ | haha |
| 06:51.24 | Znuff | Is anyone familiar with Auctioneer? |
| 06:52.11 | Znuff | I just cleaned up all off my auctioneer settings and reinstalled it |
| 06:52.29 | Znuff | And now Simple Stats don't show up :-/ |
| 06:52.31 | Znuff | in the tooltip |
| 06:53.21 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r201 / (6 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 06:53.23 | Repo | ArkInventory: |
| 06:53.24 | Repo | *3.02.28 (12-DEC-2009)* |
| 06:53.26 | Repo | * changed - equipped bags are now included in item counts |
| 06:53.27 | Repo | * changed - esES translation for leatherworking bags |
| 06:54.08 | KriLL3 | I've disabled a ton of addons and I /rl before boss fights, been good for about 10h how |
| 06:54.09 | KriLL3 | *now |
| 06:54.23 | KriLL3 | enabled a few again and crashed not long after |
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| 07:00.42 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro 043.02.28 * r202 : *3.02.28 (12-DEC-2009)* |
| 07:00.44 | Repo | * changed - equipped bags are now included in item counts |
| 07:00.45 | Repo | * changed - esES translation for leatherworking bags |
| 07:00.47 | Repo | * changed - toc to 3.3 |
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| 07:08.24 | denali | Is there a mod to move the new quest objective frame? |
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| 07:16.41 | Znuff | denali, the one that screws cartographer? |
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| 07:17.40 | denali | Znuff, don't know about that. I just know Blizz had it built-in that you could move the damn thing in 3.2, but now you can't in 3.3. |
| 07:32.20 | KriLL3 | Znuff: errm, why are you using cart? |
| 07:32.32 | KriLL3 | denali: just about any minimap addon does it |
| 07:32.39 | KriLL3 | including sexymap |
| 07:32.46 | Znuff | ? |
| 07:32.53 | Znuff | I'm using Cartographer because I like waypoints... |
| 07:32.57 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 07:33.05 | KriLL3 | you do know it's defunct, right? |
| 07:33.48 | Znuff | since when? o.O |
| 07:33.56 | KriLL3 | a really long time |
| 07:34.05 | Znuff | *why*? :-/ |
| 07:34.08 | KriLL3 | before 3.2 |
| 07:34.12 | denali | KriLL3, did you say minimap addon? Like Squeenix? |
| 07:34.12 | Znuff | ow :( |
| 07:34.15 | KriLL3 | replaced by new and better things |
| 07:34.21 | KriLL3 | denali: no idea, haven't used that one |
| 07:35.22 | KriLL3 | Znuff: mapster, cromulent, tomtom, handynotes replace cartographer |
| 07:38.59 | Znuff | o.O |
| 07:39.38 | KriLL3 | cart had a million modules, mapster replicates the core, the rest various modules |
| 07:40.05 | KriLL3 | try it, less overhead, less bugs |
| 07:41.48 | denali | KriLL3, Chinchilla worked! Thanks! |
| 07:42.46 | denali | Now if Minimap Button Frame worked from the moment I logged in, I'd be set. :P |
| 07:43.34 | Primer | Anyone got a lock I can inspect for a decent raid spec for 3.3? Guessing affliction |
| 07:45.14 | denali | Primer, have you looked at Elitest Jerks? |
| 07:46.56 | Primer | I hate that site |
| 07:47.00 | Primer | information overload |
| 07:47.13 | Primer | I'd rather just talk to someone here |
| 07:48.44 | Silowyi | Ok so I've tracked down a rather peculiar source of stutter in game. |
| 07:49.24 | Silowyi | see normally I have 60 FPS in a raid group, and there isn't much that slows that down, but lately I've had this really, really annoying stutter |
| 07:49.39 | Silowyi | I'll have 30-60 FPS and it will be completely unplayable. |
| 07:50.28 | pentium166 | Tracked it down? |
| 07:50.34 | Silowyi | I noticed that whenever anyone buffs a raid group in 25 man dungeon, I get a very brief stutter. Then, when a shaman drops his totems, full on stutter. |
| 07:51.06 | Silowyi | so pretty much has to be something that's responding to raid auras. |
| 07:52.39 | Silowyi | problem is only addons I have that even might do that are X-Perl, Simple Buff Bar, and Parrot. Disabling them didn't help. |
| 07:54.18 | Silowyi | but there's something about the auras... |
| 07:56.27 | pentium166 | did you disable all your addons? |
| 07:56.42 | Antiarc | Try replacing Parrot with MSBT |
| 07:56.48 | Silowyi | on a Core i860 +HD4890 +SSD Vertex II Raid 0 + Windows 7... I really don't think I should have any stuttering issues *sigh* |
| 07:57.44 | pentium166 | I get stuttering on a phenom 2 x3 with geforce 8800 gts, pretty much regardless of settings |
| 07:58.04 | pentium166 | Well, it goes away with vsync and the UI lag option checked |
| 07:58.25 | Silowyi | I've tried just about every combination imaginable, even dropping my resolution down |
| 07:58.41 | Silowyi | now |
| 07:58.46 | Silowyi | with absolutely no addons at all |
| 07:58.58 | Silowyi | it doesn't seem to stutter |
| 07:59.15 | Silowyi | though I HAVE noticed that in that scenario if I have blizzard's scrolling combat text on, stuff majorly sucks |
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| 08:06.29 | Antiarc | Would I be a terrible parent if I got this for my kid? |
| 08:06.29 | Antiarc | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/kids/c754/ |
| 08:06.58 | Silowyi | only if you got the red one |
| 08:08.09 | ulic | Antiarc: if you get a chance, the tooltips when in a group are all empty, I'm stumped. |
| 08:08.30 | ulic | for LFD |
| 08:08.30 | Antiarc | I'll take a peek in a bit |
| 08:09.32 | Antiarc | Oh man |
| 08:09.32 | Antiarc | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/cae2/ |
| 08:09.34 | Antiarc | So tempted. |
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| 08:10.49 | ulic | I want the taun tuan sleeping bag they have :) |
| 08:11.19 | KriLL3 | denali: Elitist jerks is a bit bugged also, it gets royally confused at times |
| 08:11.34 | KriLL3 | like it says I shouldn't have mongoose enchant, I should have attack power |
| 08:12.10 | KriLL3 | and I'm a tank, I got tanking talents, I got thick hide, natural reaction, protector of the pack etc |
| 08:12.12 | Silowyi | KriLL3: there forums have the same problem! |
| 08:12.15 | Silowyi | their* |
| 08:12.26 | KriLL3 | Silowyi: it cays you should have attack power enchants?... |
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| 08:12.37 | KriLL3 | *says |
| 08:12.51 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic * r11 Broker_LFD.lua: |
| 08:12.53 | Repo | Moved some locals, added an event that should keep the minimap button hidden and raised the status frame up just a bit from center |
| 08:13.01 | Silowyi | I've used the EJ forums a lot and profitted from what I learned there, but some of the advice/specs/rotations they advocate end up in a substantial net DPS loss for me. |
| 08:13.13 | Amadeo | Bazooka is pretty nice, but I have a strange problem with these Data Broker displays... There's like a pixel gap on the top of my screen that the bar won't cover when it snaps to frame |
| 08:13.57 | Antiarc | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/bf9c/zoom/ |
| 08:14.00 | Antiarc | This is beyond brilliant |
| 08:14.31 | Silowyi | did you just find this site antiarc? |
| 08:14.36 | Antiarc | No |
| 08:14.40 | Amadeo | haha nice |
| 08:14.45 | Antiarc | But I'm shopping for Christmas presents for my dad and brother |
| 08:14.52 | Antiarc | I visit Thinkgeek about once a year :P |
| 08:15.01 | Amadeo | they're geeks too? that rocks |
| 08:15.34 | Amadeo | I need an addon for rapid target marking...what's good of the available? |
| 08:15.39 | Antiarc | MagicMarker |
| 08:15.43 | Antiarc | Not quite so much as me, but enough that I can shop at TG for them |
| 08:15.55 | Silowyi | time for me to head to sleep, have fun all. |
| 08:16.04 | Amadeo | thanks Anti |
| 08:16.07 | Amadeo | night Silowyi |
| 08:16.40 | vhaarr | Antiarc: I got http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/abea/ for my family, bought like 4 small presents on thinkgeek this year |
| 08:16.41 | Shadowed | Weird |
| 08:16.45 | Shadowed | apparently boss# units do not actually fire events |
| 08:16.47 | Shadowed | ..... |
| 08:16.55 | Shadowed | So blizzard added a new unitid, and it does't fire events the fuck |
| 08:17.18 | vhaarr | also known as a "hackjob unit id" |
| 08:17.22 | Shadowed | yes :| |
| 08:17.42 | vhaarr | I am seriously in doubt of the programming skills of many blizz employees |
| 08:17.45 | Antiarc | Shadowed: Hah, see, I was right |
| 08:17.49 | Shadowed | Yea... |
| 08:17.51 | vhaarr | letting stuff like this aura bug get through |
| 08:17.56 | Shadowed | or the OnUpdate bug |
| 08:18.03 | vhaarr | or the mobs shifting around tanks bug |
| 08:18.14 | Shadowed | A lot of the new UI people are new thought |
| 08:18.15 | arkanes | they've got good programmers but they have really terrible testing procedures |
| 08:18.22 | Shadowed | eh |
| 08:18.26 | Shadowed | the good UI programmers aren't on WoW anymore |
| 08:18.30 | arkanes | I mean wow is obvioulsy crazy hard to test |
| 08:18.44 | vhaarr | yes but these are things that they should've caught, you see |
| 08:18.44 | Shadowed | it's mostly the new UI devs |
| 08:18.47 | arkanes | but the amount of regressions they have is insane |
| 08:19.13 | Shadowed | They've gotten better since 3.2 to be fair |
| 08:19.13 | vhaarr | we are programmers as well, we know this shit |
| 08:19.26 | vhaarr | some regressions are acceptable, but these ones really aren't |
| 08:19.47 | arkanes | I think the more rapid iteration style theyve been using in lich king has helped |
| 08:20.07 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic * r12 .pkgmeta: Cleaned up the .pkgmeta, OCD ftl |
| 08:20.12 | arkanes | the aura bug is something that they should have automated tests for, that never should have shipped |
| 08:20.26 | Shadowed | the aura bug is just odd |
| 08:20.43 | arkanes | its probably related to special cased dispatch code for the new buff frame |
| 08:21.28 | arkanes | mobs moving around tanks is a pathing thing that's hard to test in an autmated fasion, I'd give them a pass on that |
| 08:21.53 | arkanes | except that it's easy to find out with beta testing, and it's been such a problem for so long that you'd think they'd have a process for it |
| 08:25.59 | asmodai | arkanes: It's also highly noticable with pets, like voidwalker. |
| 08:27.17 | Shefki | Shadowed: The best part is even their own boss frames don't work right. |
| 08:27.22 | Shadowed | What's wrong with them? |
| 08:27.30 | Shefki | health never updates. |
| 08:27.35 | Shadowed | Huh you sure? I've heard they work fine |
| 08:27.38 | nevcairiel | seemed to work fine yesterday |
| 08:27.39 | Shadowed | and they should inherit the target frames OnUpdate |
| 08:27.40 | Shefki | Sits at 100% always. |
| 08:27.48 | nevcairiel | only saw them in gunship battle, but they updated just fine |
| 08:27.52 | Shefki | You're assuming someone actually targets it. |
| 08:28.06 | Shadowed | All I know is SUF updated fine once I turned updating based OnUpdate |
| 08:28.09 | Shefki | Didn't work for me. |
| 08:28.20 | nevcairiel | In gunship you cant even target them, can you? |
| 08:28.24 | nevcairiel | and yet it worked fine |
| 08:28.24 | Shadowed | you can |
| 08:28.25 | Shefki | You can. |
| 08:28.29 | Shefki | Just click on the unit frames. |
| 08:28.32 | nevcairiel | but meh, no-one does :P |
| 08:28.33 | Shefki | Or use /target boss1 |
| 08:28.36 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r701 Frozen_Halls/Falric_and_Marwyn.lua: |
| 08:28.38 | Repo | Just warn for Corrupted Flesh, don't need names, it's everyone :) |
| 08:29.19 | Shefki | I just know that the boss frames worked fine for me on the PTR and neither in 10 or 25 this week did they work on the gunship. |
| 08:30.42 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.0.2-11-g3e72ab9 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 08:30.44 | Repo | 3e72ab9: [unit:color:sit] and [color:sit] will only return color codes for threat situations 1 or higher, no more gray text if an unit is not close to taking aggro |
| 08:30.45 | Repo | 91946fa: Fixed units.lua:505 error when opening the menu on a boss unit |
| 08:30.46 | Repo | f5c72ba: Localization update |
| 08:31.39 | Shadowed | Antiarc ^ for working boss units |
| 08:31.58 | arkanes | I |
| 08:32.09 | arkanes | I'm pretty sure those boss frames are repurposed arena frames |
| 08:32.26 | Shadowed | arena# get unit events |
| 08:32.35 | Shadowed | and they use a different template |
| 08:32.39 | arkanes | hmm |
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| 08:32.49 | arkanes | well then |
| 08:33.20 | Shadowed | yea :p |
| 08:33.31 | arkanes | they were definitely updating for health on tuesday though |
| 08:33.35 | arkanes | wednesday? |
| 08:33.39 | arkanes | yes |
| 08:34.00 | Shadowed | Blizzards should update fine, because they do full updates every half second |
| 08:36.44 | Repo | 10ka_raid-tracker: 03Celess * r233 / (5 files in 1 directory): - fix debug mode set through command line message |
| 08:36.46 | Repo | - fix db update |
| 08:36.47 | Repo | - added example time to join leave dialog box |
| 08:36.48 | Repo | - added default time to join leave box of current date and time |
| 08:37.06 | asmodai | Hmmm, Western Digital is moving away from 512 byte sectors to 4 KiB sectors. |
| 08:37.11 | Repo | 10ka_raid-tracker: 03Celess 04v2.2.53 * r234 : Tagging as 2.2.53 |
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| 08:40.23 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: why do they keep asking you to build Clique into Pitbull4? |
| 08:40.47 | jnwhiteh | i.e. are there any legit reasons for it? |
| 08:41.04 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: There are none. |
| 08:41.22 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 08:41.24 | jnwhiteh | special |
| 08:41.25 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 08:41.48 | Aeyan | They want one addon to do everything because it makes them feel better |
| 08:42.01 | jnwhiteh | then they are stupid. |
| 08:42.36 | Shefki | It basically comes down to "I want PB4 to be healbot" |
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| 08:47.46 | Wobin | I'm sorry |
| 08:47.59 | Wobin | But not even jnwhiteh can build -that- sort of crazy into an addon =P |
| 08:49.20 | jnwhiteh | Healbot is asshoole. |
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| 08:52.27 | Shadowed | He's crazy |
| 08:52.32 | Shadowed | did you read the LHC doc file in his addon jnwhiteh? |
| 08:52.44 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 08:52.51 | Shadowed | It's worth reading, it's awesome |
| 08:52.52 | jnwhiteh | whats it say? |
| 08:53.03 | vhaarr | pastey plz |
| 08:53.11 | jnwhiteh | i'd rather spend time working on clique2 =) |
| 08:53.13 | Shadowed | sec |
| 08:53.31 | Shadowed | "The author of libHealComm will not allow the user the choice to disable the library and so dictating that you the user will send libHealComm addon spam and parse an unfiltered combat log regardless of your view." |
| 08:53.43 | jnwhiteh | lolwut? |
| 08:53.44 | Shadowed | "Your having FPS issues and want to lighten CPU usage. In this case you should use a CPU profiler to see if removing libHealComm makes a difference on your system. HealBot has a profiler built in and can be enabled on the General tab, Titan Panel can also do this and there are other addons available specifically for this. CPU profiling is extremely CPU intensive, so after testing remember to turn it off." |
| 08:54.04 | Shadowed | He then implemented his own comm system that is "ultra low" but only healbot uses |
| 08:54.39 | jnwhiteh | and how does he accomplish this? |
| 08:54.44 | jnwhiteh | who writes healbot |
| 08:54.48 | jnwhiteh | have we ever seen them here |
| 08:54.50 | Shadowed | StrifeCFK |
| 08:54.51 | Shadowed | no |
| 08:54.56 | jnwhiteh | i fucking fucking fucking HATE that it's called 'healbot'. |
| 08:55.02 | Shadowed | He basically implemented a very very basic version of LHC3 |
| 08:55.06 | Shadowed | @project healbot |
| 08:55.09 | Repo | Shadowed: http://rom.curseforge.com/addons/healbot/. Healbot. Game: RoM. neb0 (Manager/Author). Updated: 32 hours ago. Tickets: 3/7 |
| 08:55.12 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: He uses less bandwidth by getting rid of the accuracy of lhc. |
| 08:55.12 | jnwhiteh | because it used to basically be a fucking bot.. and then they got spanked. ahrd. |
| 08:55.15 | Shadowed | errr |
| 08:55.20 | Shefki | He doesn't bother to deal with modifiers. |
| 08:55.43 | Shefki | And then acts like this is somehow beneficial. |
| 08:55.48 | jnwhiteh | maybe i should do a publicity campaign for clique2 |
| 08:55.53 | jnwhiteh | or rather |
| 08:55.56 | jnwhiteh | anyone USE healbot? |
| 08:55.56 | Shadowed | you should |
| 08:56.02 | jnwhiteh | i need to make sure i have all of the features =) |
| 08:56.03 | Shadowed | THE CLADHAIRE CHALLENGE |
| 08:56.12 | jnwhiteh | in an easier to configure way |
| 08:57.02 | jnwhiteh | i'm sure people just like having a single "healer" addon they can download |
| 08:57.04 | jnwhiteh | peopel are like that |
| 08:57.13 | Shadowed | uyea |
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| 08:57.35 | vhaarr | we have one healer in the guild who uses healbot |
| 08:57.41 | vhaarr | we had 2 in tbc, one of them quit |
| 08:57.52 | jnwhiteh | have thye ever said 'why'? |
| 08:58.01 | Shefki | We have a couple in our guild. |
| 08:58.03 | Shadowed | HealBot is retardly popular, I wonder who uses it |
| 08:58.04 | vhaarr | they both tried Grid on several occasions |
| 08:58.07 | Fisker | slaps Shadowed around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:58.10 | Fisker | oh u Shadowed |
| 08:58.14 | vhaarr | but always switched back |
| 08:58.15 | Shefki | The problem I have with this is that he's now sending comms for his own crap and lhc. |
| 08:58.24 | Shefki | Most of his users aren't going to disable one or the other. |
| 08:58.31 | Shadowed | I still love the irony |
| 08:58.32 | Shefki | So he's increasing EVERYONES comm load. |
| 08:58.33 | jnwhiteh | grid is not the solution =/ |
| 08:58.41 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 08:58.42 | Shadowed | He complains that LHC4 is sending too much data, so he implements his own |
| 08:58.53 | jnwhiteh | grid is a terrible answer |
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| 08:58.59 | jnwhiteh | ouf_freebgrid is abotu 10x better out of the bo |
| 08:59.08 | Shadowed | Grid is terrible because of efficiency, or configuration |
| 08:59.21 | jnwhiteh | config primarily |
| 08:59.25 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't work worth shit out of the bo. |
| 08:59.33 | Shefki | I've never really used grid because I've never been happy with what I can make it display. |
| 08:59.42 | Shadowed | I've been tempted to write a standalone raid frame |
| 08:59.44 | Wobin | which is why healbot is faster out of the gate |
| 08:59.50 | Shadowed | but it's kind of pointless cause all I'd do is steal 80% of the SUF code |
| 08:59.51 | Shefki | But recently I discovered it's laking some pretty basic configuration. |
| 09:00.00 | Shefki | You can't tell it to freaking just sort the raid by name. |
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| 09:00.15 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: *nod* |
| 09:00.21 | jnwhiteh | maybe I make a healing unit frame as well |
| 09:00.26 | jnwhiteh | to directly compete. |
| 09:00.38 | Shadowed | unit frame, or raid frame? |
| 09:00.44 | Wobin | You could call it Triage |
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| 09:01.15 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: it has to be as effective for 5 mans as it does for raids |
| 09:01.20 | jnwhiteh | that's why ouf_freebgrid is awesome. |
| 09:01.23 | jnwhiteh | it just fucking works. |
| 09:01.24 | Shadowed | Well, raid/party frames |
| 09:01.34 | Shadowed | What people want is pretty simple honestly |
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| 09:01.41 | jnwhiteh | the only thing i use on top of it for healing is hotcandy |
| 09:01.43 | Wobin | Ponies |
| 09:01.50 | jnwhiteh | well healbot doesn't have much |
| 09:01.56 | jnwhiteh | it just has what peopel need. |
| 09:01.58 | Shadowed | They want the ability to separate raid frames so group 1 is one frame, group 2 is another etc, the ability to show player/party in it, raid frames while solo |
| 09:02.03 | Shadowed | and some sort of aura indicators |
| 09:02.05 | Shadowed | and aggro |
| 09:02.15 | Shadowed | that's probably 99% of what I've seen requested |
| 09:02.17 | jnwhiteh | and to not have to configure it. |
| 09:02.19 | Shadowed | the first one is a big one |
| 09:02.22 | Shadowed | Well that too |
| 09:02.24 | jnwhiteh | thats the big one. |
| 09:02.38 | Shadowed | but not having to configure it is pretty easy, it's not that hard to setup a default raid frame |
| 09:02.48 | Shadowed | Just need to put some effort into it |
| 09:02.54 | jnwhiteh | well its everything tho |
| 09:03.00 | jnwhiteh | not just a raid frame =) |
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| 09:03.23 | jnwhiteh | anyone who's actually interested in pooling our power to help break the healbot stupidity, let me know =) |
| 09:03.45 | Wobin | Earth! |
| 09:03.48 | Shadowed | I would if it wasn't for the fact that all I'd be doing is duplicating from SUF :< |
| 09:03.52 | jnwhiteh | Fire! |
| 09:04.10 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: btu in a much more limited capacity |
| 09:04.13 | Shefki | There is no way in hell that LHC is disconnecting people. |
| 09:04.31 | Wobin | I bet it's GearScore =) |
| 09:04.35 | jnwhiteh | not alone, but yes, ther eis |
| 09:04.36 | Shefki | There are a hell of a lot bigger fish to deal with than LHC. |
| 09:04.54 | asmodai | We're still waiting for the Higgs-Boson :( |
| 09:04.58 | Shadowed | GearScore has somewhat been fixed |
| 09:05.03 | Shadowed | in that it only sends to guild now |
| 09:05.15 | Shefki | I'd start with Carbonite |
| 09:05.22 | Shefki | and questhelper |
| 09:05.29 | Shadowed | Questhelper has comm? |
| 09:05.35 | Shadowed | QH is just badly made |
| 09:05.41 | asmodai | For with parties, yes |
| 09:05.45 | Shefki | Pretty sure it does. |
| 09:05.50 | jnwhiteh | qh is bogged down with legacy code. |
| 09:05.52 | asmodai | Exchanges quest info and all that |
| 09:06.02 | Shadowed | he doesn't know how GC works |
| 09:06.05 | jnwhiteh | it needs a fresh coat of paint with the new poi system |
| 09:06.07 | Shadowed | That's all I need to know to say it's badly made :> |
| 09:06.35 | Shadowed | Last I heard, he doesn't think the POI system provides enough info, so odds are he'll never rewrite it |
| 09:06.48 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 09:06.49 | asmodai | He can use the POI to get rid of his own question marks |
| 09:06.54 | jnwhiteh | and with that, I'll never download it again |
| 09:07.01 | Wobin | surely he does? |
| 09:07.02 | asmodai | but his area drawings are much nicer |
| 09:07.11 | asmodai | Wobin: at the moment, they overlap |
| 09:07.11 | jnwhiteh | i love the wow area drawings |
| 09:07.13 | Wobin | (know about GC) |
| 09:07.25 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: you can do taht in wow too |
| 09:07.28 | jnwhiteh | look at the POI api |
| 09:07.31 | jnwhiteh | stuff is set to merge atm |
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| 09:07.42 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: So what does wow's default do? |
| 09:07.49 | jnwhiteh | merges overlapping areas.. |
| 09:07.59 | jnwhiteh | its a nicer default |
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| 09:08.15 | Shadowed | Wobin: recycle.lua, "I don't know if this is a WoW issue, but in WoW at least, tables can hang around for quite a while before getting garbage-collected. If you're making a dozen tables per frame, you can rapidly eat 10 or 20 megs of RAM that you're not actually using." |
| 09:08.16 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: ok, but if I turn off qh I would see those same kind of areas where stuff drops? |
| 09:08.31 | jnwhiteh | in theory you could, yes. |
| 09:08.51 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Ah |
| 09:08.58 | jnwhiteh | what we need is a global API that we decide |
| 09:09.03 | jnwhiteh | to get the coordinate information about a waypoint |
| 09:09.05 | Shefki | Why would he need a dozen tables per frame. |
| 09:09.14 | Shadowed | also to make the POI system not protected |
| 09:09.29 | jnwhiteh | then we write a routes plugin |
| 09:09.30 | jnwhiteh | and done. |
| 09:09.38 | Shadowed | Routes plugin is probably unnecessary |
| 09:10.03 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 09:10.21 | Wobin | >< |
| 09:10.22 | Shadowed | At least from what I've seen, 3.0 is pretty good about making it obvious what route to take, and 2.0 is decent |
| 09:10.30 | Wobin | I was looking for that GC article on wowwiki |
| 09:10.36 | Wobin | and got redirected to boobies |
| 09:10.56 | Shefki | I'm just totally baffled as to how you could end up using 12 tables per frame. |
| 09:11.02 | Shefki | What would you be needing that many tables for. |
| 09:11.02 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: what 3.0/2.0 are you talking about? |
| 09:11.07 | Shadowed | 3.0/2.0 quests |
| 09:11.16 | Shadowed | Just look at code Shefki, it has a lot of table use |
| 09:11.23 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 09:11.33 | jnwhiteh | but we have 70 levels to go through first |
| 09:11.37 | jnwhiteh | before we get there. |
| 09:11.45 | jnwhiteh | no one is talking about using it for the new game |
| 09:11.48 | Shadowed | Dunno, routes just seems a bit silly since all you basically get is it telling you to go from the shortest distance which you can see visually |
| 09:11.50 | jnwhiteh | or rather, i'm not. |
| 09:11.56 | jnwhiteh | no you can't |
| 09:11.57 | Aeyan | From a user's perspective, I'm more interested in an ordered list/route than I am where to go |
| 09:11.58 | jnwhiteh | and no it deos not than that |
| 09:12.12 | Aeyan | But that probably doesn't speak for the majority |
| 09:12.12 | jnwhiteh | there's a reason that the TSP exists |
| 09:12.23 | jnwhiteh | you can end up fucking yourself with your local minima optimization |
| 09:12.44 | Shadowed | I suppose |
| 09:12.46 | asmodai | wait, wait |
| 09:12.51 | asmodai | what are you guys plotting? |
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| 09:13.03 | nevcairiel | world domination |
| 09:13.07 | asmodai | nevcairiel: obviously :) |
| 09:13.21 | asmodai | Are you going to beat QH into submission? |
| 09:13.38 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: it really is a big problem.. you 'think' that going here is closest, when i reality your optimal path has you goijng someplace else |
| 09:13.48 | jnwhiteh | if you're playing 30 min at a time, the first is fine |
| 09:13.50 | Aeyan | At the moment, they're plotting nothing =P |
| 09:13.53 | jnwhiteh | but its a waste if you're progressing |
| 09:14.01 | jnwhiteh | i'm plotting to take down healbot |
| 09:14.03 | jnwhiteh | okay, not really |
| 09:14.03 | Aeyan | Just what an ideal quest help solution would look like, hehe |
| 09:14.07 | Shefki | I just looked, PB has 3 per frame. All of which are there to hold other frames (auras buffs/debuffs and texts) |
| 09:14.15 | orionshock | ping? |
| 09:14.15 | orionshock | ~ping |
| 09:14.16 | purl | ~pong |
| 09:14.18 | harl | PONG! |
| 09:14.30 | jnwhiteh | I still think Carbonite's range-sorted quest objectives was better than anythign else. |
| 09:14.37 | jnwhiteh | a sorted list of how far away any objective was |
| 09:14.40 | Shadowed | yea, that part would be nice to implement |
| 09:14.43 | jnwhiteh | and i made my own decisions. |
| 09:14.47 | Shadowed | HealBot will never die thought, it's still fairly big |
| 09:15.05 | asmodai | I'm anxiously waiting for the jnwhiteh addon that shows which quests you missed in a zone :P |
| 09:15.13 | jnwhiteh | everyquest |
| 09:15.15 | jnwhiteh | download it. |
| 09:15.15 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:15.24 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 09:15.38 | nevcairiel | didnt you want to do something like that in LH? |
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| 09:16.46 | yoshimo | asmodai , questhelper has the feature already, but it still needs work, you see class&tradeskill quests you cant do , and you see seasonal stuff and the old aq war efforts ;) zorba needs to add a few filters |
| 09:17.38 | nevcairiel | loremaster must be so easy by now |
| 09:17.49 | nevcairiel | I did it on initial 3.0 before wotlk |
| 09:17.57 | nevcairiel | then it was worth something! |
| 09:18.07 | jnwhiteh | so ther's an addon |
| 09:18.08 | nevcairiel | well the non-wotlk parts of it, anyway |
| 09:18.11 | jnwhiteh | ExplorerCoords |
| 09:18.12 | jnwhiteh | and |
| 09:18.15 | jnwhiteh | he uses Astrolabe |
| 09:18.18 | jnwhiteh | and doesn't intergrate with TomTom at all |
| 09:18.19 | jnwhiteh | wtf. |
| 09:18.30 | jnwhiteh | a one-line change makes getting explorer stupid easy |
| 09:19.23 | jnwhiteh | once you get past azshara that is |
| 09:19.30 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 09:19.37 | yoshimo | im still missing 45quests in kalimdor, im not sure where they are... |
| 09:20.15 | jnwhiteh | STV is my last zone |
| 09:20.28 | jnwhiteh | 5 sub-zones to get |
| 09:21.29 | jnwhiteh | anyone have code to put the auto-cast animation on an action-button-ish thing? |
| 09:21.55 | jnwhiteh | or something similar |
| 09:21.59 | jnwhiteh | a blinking border perhaprs |
| 09:22.58 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: hahaha, thanks! |
| 09:23.05 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: that was exactly what I needed |
| 09:23.10 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:23.54 | asmodai | Must say that that works pretty well |
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| 09:26.16 | Repo | 10srn-anub-healer-mod: 03Corg * r8 SRNAnubHealerMod.lua: SRNAnubHealerMod: |
| 09:26.18 | Repo | - Changed the default alarm sound to 2s (if you rely on healing stream totems to keep people alive, 3s is normal) |
| 09:26.19 | Repo | - Apparently, LS hits for 30% in TotGC25, somehow I had read 20% on wowwiki. The math has been corrected. |
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| 09:38.42 | kandarz | jnwhiteh: nice to see other people using my addon :) |
| 09:39.00 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: which one? |
| 09:39.04 | kandarz | EveryQuest |
| 09:39.16 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:39.16 | asmodai | kandarz: Works quite well! :) |
| 09:39.22 | jnwhiteh | i haven't, but i tell people to =) |
| 09:39.41 | jnwhiteh | i dont have time to loremaster atm |
| 09:40.02 | asmodai | kandarz: Although it will need some minor changes I guess. There's a bunch of old quests which are only valid for people who came from pre 1.4 or so. |
| 09:40.44 | kandarz | the data is from wowhead, I don't really do any filtering of what my scraper gets |
| 09:41.17 | asmodai | Right. |
| 09:41.56 | asmodai | I'll just ignore them then. |
| 09:43.00 | kandarz | I mean if you're just looking to get loremaster, another addon author wrote an in game data miner for that data, and EQ will show a little tag in the window if it counts for something, http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/loremaster/ |
| 09:43.16 | kandarz | I mean, he doesn't have a lot of data yet, but it's a start |
| 09:43.19 | asmodai | Oh I know, Loremaster and Loremaster sync |
| 09:43.27 | asmodai | I've been uploading data to him for a while now. |
| 09:43.39 | asmodai | I'm just trying to nail all the quests in a zone :) |
| 09:43.48 | asmodai | because some are random drop items that spawn a quest |
| 09:44.29 | kandarz | I also wrote the EQ Quest Givers, from LightHeaded data, not perfect, and I never finished it |
| 09:44.48 | kandarz | it completely misses any items that start a quest |
| 09:51.16 | Antiarc | http://epicwinftw.com/2009/12/11/admiral-ackbar-approved/ |
| 09:51.42 | kandarz | Antiarc: should probably get off reddit now... |
| 09:51.49 | Antiarc | >_> |
| 09:52.40 | kandarz | So, with the new blizzard quest information, any addons that readd the tracker and maybe implement a QH type minimap arrow? |
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| 09:57.58 | asmodai | Wish Blizzard would make Darkmoon Fair interesting again |
| 09:59.09 | orionshock | did they take out the dungeon daily? |
| 09:59.54 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 09:59.55 | SunTsu | orionshock: yes, it's random dungeon now |
| 10:00.20 | SunTsu | and weekly raid |
| 10:00.31 | orionshock | and is it me or is it considered tabu to speak in /p in a pug? |
| 10:01.07 | SunTsu | orionshock: depends on the pug and what you say ;) |
| 10:02.08 | SunTsu | ah buggrabber getting less to do, down to 36 errors from 65 on patch day |
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| 10:02.40 | Shefki | SunTsu: WTH do you use that produces so many errors. |
| 10:02.40 | orionshock | SunTsu: use better mods :) |
| 10:02.53 | orionshock | by authors that know how to code :) |
| 10:02.56 | Shefki | I think I was down to zero mods after an hour of the patch. |
| 10:03.01 | Shefki | zero errors |
| 10:03.05 | Shefki | Damnit I should be in bed. |
| 10:03.13 | Shefki | I hate all of you. It's your fault I'm still up. |
| 10:03.14 | orionshock | Shefki: beat you. I had no errors when i logged in |
| 10:03.35 | SunTsu | Shefki: Looks like some old BigWigs plugins are in the lead ;) |
| 10:03.46 | Shefki | orionshock: I was being conservative. |
| 10:03.51 | Shefki | old bigwigs plugins? |
| 10:03.54 | SunTsu | Shefki: BTW Role icon works quite nice |
| 10:04.01 | Shefki | Thank ulic he wrote it. |
| 10:04.01 | SunTsu | Pizza Bar for instance |
| 10:04.13 | orionshock | well i guess it's time i broke down and started using PB4 |
| 10:04.31 | SunTsu | ulic: Tanks for role icon support in Pitbull4! |
| 10:04.42 | asmodai | my only breakage at the moment is itemdatacache |
| 10:05.03 | asmodai | orionshock: or suf :) |
| 10:05.10 | asmodai | traded pb4 for suf |
| 10:05.35 | SunTsu | oh, I stand corrected, more than half of it is due to BetterQuest |
| 10:05.40 | asmodai | Shadowed: Which, btw, in Dutch means 'dull' (suf that is) |
| 10:05.48 | Dezzimal | I think I've only got one breakage left |
| 10:05.57 | Dezzimal | something in aceconsole I believe |
| 10:06.31 | Shefki | I've pretty much ditched all quest addons. Blizzards obliterated my reasons for using them. |
| 10:06.46 | orionshock | lightheaded |
| 10:06.47 | Dezzimal | tourguide is still awesome |
| 10:06.52 | Dezzimal | lightheaded is kinda useless |
| 10:07.14 | Shefki | I have lightheaded installed but turned off anymore. I haven't found myself using it. |
| 10:07.25 | Shefki | But it was nice when I leveled. |
| 10:07.27 | SunTsu | I only used BetterQuest because of the tracker, maybe I should look at Blizzard's current one |
| 10:07.44 | Shefki | I liked Blizzard's tracker better before 3.3 |
| 10:08.00 | Shefki | Really don't care that they made it unmoveable. |
| 10:08.31 | Kuosi | they sure made leveling alts harder in 3.3! |
| 10:08.42 | Kuosi | critical error every time u try to buy tome of cold weather flying |
| 10:09.32 | Shefki | I hope they fix the "World Server is Down" every 20 minutes problem. |
| 10:09.33 | orionshock | pokes Shefki in the eye about PB4_RoleIcon being named differently in the AddonList |
| 10:10.08 | Shefki | Hmm. |
| 10:10.27 | orionshock | Shefki: did no one mention something called "nice defaults" ? |
| 10:10.29 | Shefki | Bahh # missing |
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| 10:14.03 | jnwhiteh | so I'm healing VoA 10 |
| 10:14.12 | jnwhiteh | druid healer goes awol and tank died. |
| 10:14.14 | jnwhiteh | he leaves |
| 10:14.17 | jnwhiteh | paladin steps in to heal |
| 10:14.19 | jnwhiteh | paladin fucks up, tank dies. |
| 10:14.21 | jnwhiteh | i mean |
| 10:14.24 | jnwhiteh | i can solo heal this shit |
| 10:14.28 | jnwhiteh | i just have to know that's what i'm doing =) |
| 10:15.10 | jnwhiteh | and now we all quit after Koralon |
| 10:15.13 | jnwhiteh | because people are bitches |
| 10:15.14 | jnwhiteh | and plan that. |
| 10:15.31 | nevcairiel | that reminds me, i still have that id open |
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| 10:16.02 | Shefki | ok I'm really going to bed. |
| 10:19.44 | Fisker | surprise fu nevcairiel |
| 10:20.05 | asmodai | wedgies Fisker |
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| 10:22.41 | asmodai | rofl |
| 10:23.00 | asmodai | now *that* was funneh |
| 10:23.26 | SunTsu | I could watch that all day long ;) |
| 10:25.24 | nevcairiel | best entertainment you have to create yourself ;) |
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| 10:30.02 | Fisker | wasn't really a surprise though nevcairiel |
| 10:31.22 | Fisker | i can't find pet actions in the keybindings ;_; |
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| 10:34.41 | SunTsu | I still don't like Blizzard's quest tracker |
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| 10:48.55 | steev_ | SunTsu: i use haste's iiWatcher |
| 10:49.09 | steev_ | although it seems to not quite be right on my system |
| 10:49.21 | steev_ | i think maybe i grabbed the wrong thing, but who knows |
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| 10:55.29 | haste | steev_: your making me confused! |
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| 10:58.51 | steev_ | tarball |
| 10:59.03 | steev_ | i don't think i was on master when i grabbed it |
| 10:59.12 | steev_ | unless you just show numbers now |
| 10:59.19 | steev_ | i liked the bars |
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| 11:08.15 | yoshimo | last time it was "you arent in a party" now i get "you arent in a raid" many times when i leave a battleground |
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| 11:34.59 | asmodai | kandarz: still around? |
| 11:37.30 | orionshock | anyone know if tekkub updated VendorBait? -- and if phanx is going to update !ClassColors ? |
| 11:38.15 | Stanzilla | both are updated |
| 11:38.23 | orionshock | orly? |
| 11:38.27 | Stanzilla | classcolors on wowi and vendorbait on git |
| 11:38.29 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 11:38.36 | Znuff | ow, what was that addon that replaced cartographer? |
| 11:38.40 | orionshock | pift, no update love for wowace? |
| 11:38.42 | nevcairiel | Mapster |
| 11:38.52 | orionshock | Znuff: what one, there where several that killed Cart2 |
| 11:39.11 | Znuff | I was looking for Mapster! :) |
| 11:39.42 | orionshock | well it's death was a combined effort with Arrowmaster, nevcairiel Kemayo_ and Xinhuan iirc |
| 11:39.58 | asmodai | kandarz: mailed ya |
| 11:41.05 | Znuff | let's see if I can replicate all the functionality of Cartographer with mapster |
| 11:41.18 | Mikk | no lets not |
| 11:41.34 | Mikk | mapster isn't meant to be all of carto |
| 11:41.36 | Mikk | and won't be |
| 11:41.49 | Znuff | all that I used from cartographer, anyway |
| 11:42.34 | orionshock | oh cool found another rss feed on curseforge :: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/<project>/tickets.rss |
| 11:42.34 | Znuff | does it do waypoints or do I need something separate? |
| 11:42.41 | orionshock | Znuff: TomTom |
| 11:42.43 | Znuff | oh, nevermind |
| 11:42.45 | Znuff | tomtom, yes |
| 11:43.28 | orionshock | Cart2 turned into, Mapster, TomTom, HandyNotes & Modules, Routes, GatherMate & Data |
| 11:43.50 | Znuff | I used to use Routes with Cartographer |
| 11:44.15 | yoshimo | why did carto3 "die"? |
| 11:44.27 | orionshock | yoshimo: it's one of ck's addons.. |
| 11:44.27 | Znuff | good question |
| 11:44.36 | Znuff | so what happened to ck? |
| 11:45.06 | orionshock | nothing bad about ck, just he's busy with other things while his addons remain complex and no one wants to pick them up xpt Arrowmaster... sorta |
| 11:45.12 | SunTsu | Znuff: Too much to do |
| 11:45.48 | Znuff | "xpt"? |
| 11:45.53 | SunTsu | except |
| 11:46.00 | Znuff | use full words, damn it :P |
| 11:46.36 | orionshock | xpt is a abbreviation in common usage :P |
| 11:46.54 | orionshock | s/a/an/ |
| 11:46.57 | quiescens | i've never seen it before |
| 11:46.59 | quiescens | ! |
| 11:47.02 | Znuff | same |
| 11:47.03 | Znuff | :) |
| 11:47.05 | orionshock | shush u |
| 11:47.22 | Znuff | so why are his addons so complex? :P |
| 11:47.30 | Znuff | just their nature? |
| 11:47.38 | Znuff | or he likes'em complex? :) |
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| 11:48.36 | Znuff | I'm guessing FuBar will die soon, if Arrowmaster can't work on it anymore |
| 11:48.36 | Znuff | ? |
| 11:48.52 | nevcairiel | fubar is already dead |
| 11:48.56 | nevcairiel | use LDB stuff |
| 11:49.03 | asmodai | Just nuke it already! |
| 11:49.14 | Znuff | o.O |
| 11:49.19 | Znuff | LDB has finally picked off? |
| 11:49.56 | Znuff | meh, it's not in Curse |
| 11:50.00 | Dotted | welcome to years ago? |
| 11:50.37 | Znuff | when I used it last time it wasn't really working :) |
| 11:50.48 | Dotted | how many years ago? |
| 11:51.03 | asmodai | works quite well for me so far |
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| 11:51.14 | Znuff | exactly one year, I think? |
| 11:51.29 | asmodai | switched fully from Fubar to LDB stuff |
| 11:51.31 | nevcairiel | i'm sure i've been using it for the last year or so |
| 11:51.40 | orionshock | Znuff: ck has a nack for making great mods that are coded nicely but in a complicated way. usually they can survive on community lifeline, but sometimes they get nuked from orbit. |
| 11:51.55 | asmodai | Sad thing to still see some Ace2 addons |
| 11:52.24 | Znuff | I might be confusing LDB with something else |
| 11:52.36 | asmodai | tashikani |
| 11:52.40 | orionshock | btw, i want credit for LDB :P |
| 11:52.40 | nevcairiel | ck has also a nack for losing interest in his old adodns, starting new stuff, and leaving the old to rot |
| 11:52.46 | orionshock | j/k |
| 11:53.02 | asmodai | ~orionshock++ |
| 11:53.10 | Znuff | wasn't the idea of LDB to serve as a framework, where all fubar* and titanpanel* can plug? |
| 11:53.29 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 11:53.41 | nevcairiel | thats what it does |
| 11:53.44 | Nechckn | Perhaps a commercial showing you being flown to Texas to approve LDB, orionshock? |
| 11:53.55 | orionshock | Znuff: LDB was purposed as a replacement to LibFubarPlugin-3 when Ace3 finally came out of alpha. |
| 11:54.05 | nevcairiel | You get a LDB Display addon, like Fortress, NinjaPanel, ChocolateBar, Bazooka or whatnot |
| 11:54.13 | Znuff | OH! |
| 11:54.31 | orionshock | Nechckn: not sure any of us are that rich to afford flying |
| 11:54.42 | asmodai | guesses it's time to remove ItemDataCache from his working config |
| 11:54.47 | Nechckn | maybe a bus ticket, then? =) |
| 11:54.50 | Znuff | LDB 1.1 was the last one? |
| 11:55.02 | Znuff | I mean, current one |
| 11:55.11 | orionshock | Znuff: yep |
| 11:55.28 | nevcairiel | you dont have to worry about LDB itself |
| 11:55.40 | Znuff | so, titan panel has the same faith of Fubar? |
| 11:55.51 | orionshock | eh, no |
| 11:55.55 | asmodai | Fate I reckon. |
| 11:55.57 | yoshimo | titanpanel displays broker plugins |
| 11:55.59 | nevcairiel | titan adapted and can display LDB stuff now |
| 11:56.01 | Znuff | fate, yes, sorry |
| 11:56.18 | asmodai | I was picturing Fubar as Barker and Titan as Quacker. |
| 11:56.35 | Znuff | never really liked titan :-/ |
| 11:56.40 | orionshock | the idea was to seperate data from display. that way regardless how or what addon the end user had, they could make look any way they liked w/o every author out there making plugins having to support 20 different displays |
| 11:56.48 | yoshimo | i used to display all addons in my fubar , some with broker2fubar, but somehow bigwigs and transcriptor disappeared with 3.3 |
| 11:57.12 | nevcairiel | I use fubar2broker, just for silly addonspamfu .. wtb ldb :P |
| 11:57.25 | Znuff | I have so many panels for Fubar :-/ |
| 11:57.27 | orionshock | yoshimo: prolly got renamed and don't fit that cookie cutter translations |
| 11:57.42 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Looks like I have no addons left that need to be fubar2brokered |
| 11:57.55 | orionshock | Znuff: the easiest transition from FuBar would be ChocolateBar IMO |
| 11:58.02 | orionshock | has a similar look and feel to it all |
| 11:58.08 | yoshimo | orionshock, what was renamed? |
| 11:58.17 | Znuff | well, I can adapt pretty fast to addon changes |
| 11:58.24 | Znuff | just that I want all my plugins back there |
| 11:58.29 | Znuff | s/plugins/panels/ |
| 11:58.42 | Znuff | I'm eyeing Titan Panel to be honest :-? |
| 11:59.00 | orionshock | yoshimo: the ldb-to-fubar-converters iirc had a internal look up table that translated some of the big addons to look right... the could have renamed stuff and so it's all broken now |
| 11:59.22 | orionshock | Znuff: go with cocolatebar, can't go wrong with chocolate :) |
| 12:00.08 | Znuff | so if I can't find some addon that replicates the features of a fubar one, I can use fubar2brokered? |
| 12:00.08 | yoshimo | is there something like performancefu for broker? |
| 12:00.25 | nevcairiel | i use broker_sysmon |
| 12:00.27 | Znuff | good question |
| 12:01.04 | orionshock | broker_CPU Memory |
| 12:01.25 | orionshock | tho, Broker_Equipment is a god send |
| 12:01.40 | *** part/#wowace Thaoky (i=Thaoky@91.176.88.162) |
| 12:02.03 | Znuff | got 11 panels :-? |
| 12:02.11 | Znuff | Durability FU |
| 12:02.17 | Caleb| | anyone know whats the opposite of LFGTeleport() ? |
| 12:02.22 | Repo | 10chatter: 03Antiarc 07master * v1.1.1-1-gdcd7961 Modules/UrlCopy.lua: [+1 commit] Enable URL linking by party leader |
| 12:02.56 | Znuff | next think you'll tell me that WIM is dead too :( |
| 12:03.01 | Znuff | you made me a sad panda |
| 12:03.49 | Znuff | BAH |
| 12:03.52 | Znuff | SCT is dead too |
| 12:04.04 | yoshimo | WIM is unable to fix my bug for ages , but i cant find a replacement ;) |
| 12:04.40 | Znuff | Mkay, what do you use instead of SCT? :-/ |
| 12:05.01 | yoshimo | parrot |
| 12:05.14 | yoshimo | @describe parrot |
| 12:05.16 | Repo | yoshimo: http://www.wowace.com/addons/parrot/. Parrot. Floating Combat Text of awesomeness. Caw. It'll eat your crackers. |
| 12:05.32 | Znuff | Tue, Nov 10 2009 |
| 12:05.33 | Znuff | :-/ |
| 12:06.06 | Fisker | heeeeeeeeeeeeelp |
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| 12:06.12 | Fisker | i need sexygroup now Antiarc :( |
| 12:06.26 | Dotted | @describe MikScrollingBattleText |
| 12:06.27 | Repo | Dotted: No project found that matches 'mikscrollingbattletext' |
| 12:06.31 | Dotted | fail |
| 12:06.37 | Dotted | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/mik-scrolling-battle-text.aspx |
| 12:06.37 | Fisker | i have a healer in ret gear who needs to heal but doesn't even have water for mana |
| 12:06.55 | Dotted | you suck Fisker |
| 12:06.57 | Fisker | also the tank is pulling even though the healer said he wasn't ready |
| 12:07.00 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: you can set me as author of broker_sysmon btw |
| 12:07.01 | Fisker | your mom sucks Dotted |
| 12:07.03 | Fisker | and i liked it |
| 12:07.59 | Fisker | NOOOOOO |
| 12:08.00 | Dotted | Fisker how do you like the latest www.fjæsbog.dk? |
| 12:08.05 | Fisker | no Dotted |
| 12:08.13 | Fisker | Tank: "Well buff yourself with wisdom" |
| 12:08.14 | Dotted | thats not an answer |
| 12:08.22 | Fisker | Healing pala: "I'm a pala i don't need" |
| 12:08.30 | Fisker | die die die |
| 12:10.33 | Znuff | curse.com sucks donkey cock when it comes to screenshots |
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| 12:13.13 | Znuff | great. |
| 12:13.35 | Znuff | can't find something that repliactes Garbage_Fu |
| 12:14.08 | vhaarr | tekjunkseller |
| 12:15.10 | KriLL3 | selljunk? |
| 12:15.37 | Znuff | I can replicate that functionality with auctioneer |
| 12:15.44 | Znuff | but I wanted the list of junk :-? |
| 12:16.10 | asmodai | combuctor -> select poor |
| 12:17.45 | Znuff | meh, let's see this for the moment |
| 12:17.46 | spode | DropTheCheapestThing |
| 12:17.54 | spode | I think |
| 12:17.57 | Znuff | replaced cartographer, fubar, sct |
| 12:18.10 | Znuff | my UI will probably be a mess |
| 12:19.08 | KriLL3 | I've had to kill most of my addons to keep the game running for any stretch of time, mine's quite empty |
| 12:19.57 | asmodai | KriLL3: :( |
| 12:20.24 | KriLL3 | I only kept bare essentials, like pitbull, bartender etc |
| 12:20.32 | KriLL3 | and I /rl frequently |
| 12:20.35 | KriLL3 | so far so good |
| 12:20.37 | Groktar | creeps up behind Znuff with a chloroform soaked rag |
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| 12:21.02 | Znuff | I replaced X-Perl with suf |
| 12:21.10 | KriLL3 | Groktar: I've heard chloroform does great things for your pours |
| 12:21.31 | yoshimo | Znuff, im trying to convince everyone in my guild to do so ;) |
| 12:21.52 | KriLL3 | I prefer pitbull, more customizable it seems |
| 12:22.22 | yoshimo | it is, but some people dont want a lot of configoptions KriLL3 |
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| 12:22.59 | KriLL3 | heh, I build my own computers and OCD about what screws to use |
| 12:24.11 | Znuff | didn't like pitbull at all |
| 12:24.21 | Znuff | and SUF is configurable enough |
| 12:24.28 | Znuff | not sure what else I could want |
| 12:24.33 | KriLL3 | you're dead to me |
| 12:25.05 | Znuff | THIS SUCKS! |
| 12:25.08 | Znuff | I don't like it :( |
| 12:25.14 | Znuff | I want my fubar back :-S |
| 12:25.28 | KriLL3 | what about it don't you like? |
| 12:25.57 | Znuff | can't configure anything it seems |
| 12:26.04 | Znuff | I can just enable or disable ldb stuff |
| 12:26.06 | Znuff | that's it |
| 12:26.09 | nevcairiel | you can try other displays |
| 12:26.09 | KriLL3 | what display addon do you use? |
| 12:26.19 | nevcairiel | i use fortress, it can configure pretty much all i want |
| 12:26.22 | Znuff | Chocolate |
| 12:26.24 | nevcairiel | other like bazooka |
| 12:26.35 | KriLL3 | I use titanbar, the most similar to fubar I've found |
| 12:26.43 | Znuff | think I'll go to titan too |
| 12:26.47 | Znuff | it does LDB, right? |
| 12:26.50 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 12:26.54 | Mikk | try chocolatebar and ummm |
| 12:26.56 | Mikk | bazooka? |
| 12:27.01 | Mikk | they're fubarey |
| 12:27.15 | Mikk | and yeah fortress is what i use |
| 12:27.50 | Znuff | can't really configure anything in chocolate :-/ |
| 12:27.58 | KriLL3 | odd really, fubar isn't a word, it's an abbreviation F.U.B.A.R. |
| 12:28.39 | Mikk | fucked up beyond all recognition/repair |
| 12:28.43 | Znuff | I liked the idea of fubar, with all plugins named FuBar_stuff |
| 12:28.59 | Mikk | yeah well now you get a lot of broker_stuff |
| 12:29.01 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 12:29.41 | KriLL3 | I use a mix of titan and LDB plugins in titanbar |
| 12:30.02 | vhaarr | bazooka was written to be a fubar replacement, I think |
| 12:30.14 | vhaarr | ninjapanel and fortress are quite similar as well |
| 12:30.35 | KriLL3 | when i tried fortress I didn't get a bar at all, I got a stack of elements |
| 12:30.49 | Mikk | fortress is lots of elements draggable however |
| 12:30.51 | Mikk | you CAN make a bar |
| 12:30.52 | Mikk | or something else |
| 12:30.53 | quiescens | things need to be named according to what they do imo |
| 12:30.57 | quiescens | ): |
| 12:31.16 | Znuff | you can make a fortress out of elements, I guess? |
| 12:31.28 | KriLL3 | Mikk: well I couldn't get a proper bar going, everything snapped like 1px away from each other etc, and I'm used to having left big items and small right items |
| 12:31.58 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 12:32.02 | Mikk | i just configgd it |
| 12:32.45 | sztanpet | packagers dead huh |
| 12:33.27 | yoshimo | having fubar in the name shows that its written for that display addon |
| 12:34.49 | Znuff | wish they could make something to this damn game so I don't have to exit and load again for addons |
| 12:36.29 | pentium166 | It would be neat if there was an LDB display that sat on the game menu |
| 12:36.43 | pentium166 | I could move my closetgnome and crap there |
| 12:36.54 | KriLL3 | what do you use closetgnome for? |
| 12:37.17 | vhaarr | same as broker_equipment, except I wrote it |
| 12:37.17 | pentium166 | Changing gear sets without going into the character window and clicking the sets there |
| 12:37.29 | vhaarr | also it has keybindings for sets |
| 12:37.31 | KriLL3 | you can drag those sets to your bars |
| 12:37.34 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r420 / (2 files in 1 directory): blacklist update |
| 12:37.40 | pentium166 | i play a shaman |
| 12:37.43 | pentium166 | i have no bar space |
| 12:37.56 | KriLL3 | you could make a hidden bar, and add key-binds to them that way |
| 12:38.05 | pentium166 | and I don't need them to be visible or want to bind them |
| 12:38.17 | Mikk | KriLL3: equipment manager also doesnt queue switches for OOC |
| 12:38.27 | KriLL3 | has to some some addon that lists your equipment manager sets and equips them |
| 12:38.31 | Mikk | pentium166: there is an LDB displayer that pops out a menu when you mouseover it |
| 12:38.45 | Mikk | i forget its name tho |
| 12:39.01 | pentium166 | hmm |
| 12:39.13 | Mikk | should be in my ldb intro post |
| 12:39.19 | Znuff | :-/ |
| 12:39.24 | Znuff | F* THIS |
| 12:40.19 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC-2VGBHFQI |
| 12:40.59 | Fisker | fyl Wobin |
| 12:41.38 | Znuff | so, there's a ldb2fubar? |
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| 12:42.37 | vhaarr | broker2fubar |
| 12:42.52 | pentium166 | I'm not seeing a menu-based display |
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| 12:45.06 | pentium166 | Found LauncherMenu on tekkub's wiki though, I'll check that out |
| 12:45.32 | pentium166 | actually I dunno if that'll do what I want |
| 12:46.44 | Znuff | I'll just hang to Fubar untill it dies |
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| 12:51.12 | airtonix | why |
| 12:51.30 | airtonix | it already has died... |
| 12:51.37 | airtonix | stop beating it |
| 12:52.43 | Znuff | Project Updated:2 days ago |
| 12:52.50 | Znuff | it moves. |
| 12:53.21 | airtonix | its dead |
| 12:53.32 | airtonix | did you only try chocolatebar? |
| 12:53.44 | airtonix | i mean dockingstation provides alot of options |
| 12:53.50 | Znuff | and titan panel |
| 12:54.14 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude 04v4.0.2.2 * r421 : Tagging as v4.0.2.2 |
| 12:54.26 | airtonix | so you didn't try any of the other ldb displays there on wowinterface or wowace? |
| 12:55.33 | Znuff | honestly, WAY too many options and don't feel like really trying all the available options untill I find something to replicate all my functionality/display |
| 12:56.34 | airtonix | which won't happen if you don;t try |
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| 12:57.04 | airtonix | its ok don't walk outside theres more than four corners |
| 12:58.17 | Groktar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eF48tjVbPs&feature=related |
| 12:58.29 | Znuff | at least if this god damn game would have an option to reload addons from disk without having to exit and start it again |
| 12:59.11 | SunTsu | Znuff: Can't get yourself to quit this god damn game? :> |
| 12:59.20 | Znuff | nah :P |
| 12:59.21 | SunTsu | Not even for loading an addon? *g* |
| 12:59.34 | Znuff | it's not the loading and quiting |
| 12:59.41 | Znuff | it's the waiting to load... |
| 13:02.18 | asmodai | Znuff: Don't mistake the flailing limbs of a dead horse when people beat it for life |
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| 13:09.22 | yoshimo | mhmm if i use my fubar based setup its loading fine, if i run the replacement broker addons (fubar2broker, sysmon, bazooka) standalone it works fine, but as soon as i use the full addonset with the broker replacements and without fubar, it freezes on login |
| 13:12.24 | Mikk | interesting |
| 13:12.28 | Mikk | btw re my freezes |
| 13:12.48 | Mikk | i'm now running grid (with 10ish modules)+clique+baggins+classtimer |
| 13:12.49 | Mikk | no hangs |
| 13:13.09 | Mikk | so it IS starting to smell like a specific addon |
| 13:13.23 | Mikk | a common one too since many get it |
| 13:15.10 | Mikk | (oh and fubar2broker too, but no broker displayer) |
| 13:16.06 | asmodai | Mikk: If you make a list of your addons, I can tell which I use. |
| 13:16.10 | asmodai | Should help eliminate. |
| 13:17.19 | yoshimo | can you make an addon list on the windows commandline with dir somehow? |
| 13:18.33 | yoshimo | ah pipe dir >>list.txt ;) |
| 13:19.29 | yoshimo | asmodai , mine http://paste.wowace.com/1532/ |
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| 13:29.12 | Repo | 10broker_dungeondifficulty: 03gnarfoz * r4 / (3 files in 1 directory): - bump TOC# |
| 13:29.14 | Repo | - hide Blizzards new minimap instance difficulty indicator |
| 13:29.15 | Repo | - set package-as to match folder name to .toc file name precisely (case sensitive) |
| 13:30.30 | Stanzilla | amagawd Gnarfoz |
| 13:32.48 | Repo | 10epgploot2: 03felsir * r54 / (2 files in 1 directory): added Mark of Sanctification itemlevel conversion |
| 13:33.12 | Repo | 10epgploot2: 03felsir 04v2.3.3release * r55 : added Mark of Sanctification itemlevel conversion |
| 13:33.36 | Gnarfoz | great |
| 13:33.43 | Gnarfoz | that repo only packages on beta and release |
| 13:34.17 | Belazor | @describe broker_dungeondifficulty |
| 13:34.18 | Repo | Belazor: http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_dungeondifficulty/. Broker_DungeonDifficulty. DataBroker plugin that shows and sets the current dungeon and raid difficulty. |
| 13:34.23 | Belazor | ah |
| 13:36.03 | yoshimo | mikk , asmodai, anyone of you using wowheadlooter? |
| 13:36.26 | Gnarfoz | (I do) |
| 13:36.36 | Gnarfoz | ~seen anyia3 |
| 13:36.38 | purl | Gnarfoz: i haven't seen 'anyia3' |
| 13:36.48 | KriLL3 | I wish there was some way to get full T10 yet somehow not having any raid achievements what so ever, would be awesome |
| 13:36.50 | yoshimo | i cant login with that one active, if i turn it off i manage to login |
| 13:37.07 | Gnarfoz | you can't log in? oO |
| 13:37.12 | KriLL3 | you'd have better gear than 99% of all raiders but you wouldn't be allowed to raid, ever. since you don't have achi |
| 13:37.23 | yoshimo | the loading bar freezes Gnarfoz |
| 13:37.45 | Wobin | http://paste.wowace.com/1533/ |
| 13:37.49 | Wobin | I've removed the ones I have |
| 13:37.55 | Mikk | yoshimo: nop |
| 13:37.55 | Wobin | (and I'm not crashing) |
| 13:38.07 | KriLL3 | and lets face it, a dps idling in the corner through a raid is much better suited for raiding than a guy in super gear who's alt hasn't been in that particular raid yet |
| 13:39.11 | KriLL3 | I'm running bare essentials, bartender, pitbull etc, no crashes |
| 13:39.40 | KriLL3 | but when I enabled a couple more, crashing |
| 13:39.43 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r113 / (4 files in 1 directory): Change unknowns to provide some useful information |
| 13:39.45 | Repo | Add not found quests from normal questing to the unknowns table. |
| 13:39.46 | Repo | Import QuestHistory reference fix |
| 13:39.55 | Mikk | what exactly were "a couple more"? |
| 13:39.55 | yoshimo | how much memory should wow use with a few addons on login? |
| 13:40.05 | KriLL3 | Mikk: like 5 |
| 13:40.07 | Mikk | yoshimo: addons contribute only minimally to wow ram usage |
| 13:40.11 | Mikk | KriLL3: which ones? |
| 13:40.26 | yoshimo | mikk, if they eat up too much of it? |
| 13:40.55 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r6847 Citadel/Locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update |
| 13:40.56 | KriLL3 | capping, sick of clicking dailies, cooldowns, cooldown timers 3, cromulent, drag em all, fishing buddy |
| 13:41.19 | Mikk | the only common denominator there is SOCD for me |
| 13:41.26 | Mikk | though possibly some libs too ofc |
| 13:41.47 | KriLL3 | feels more like wow vomits on the number/complexity than specific ones |
| 13:42.32 | KriLL3 | I'm not even running a LDB addon currently |
| 13:42.37 | Mikk | same |
| 13:42.45 | Mikk | (though fubar2broker) |
| 13:43.10 | Mikk | i have to wonder if it's their UI optimizations they added |
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| 13:43.42 | Gnarfoz | which are what? |
| 13:43.43 | Mikk | iirc there's an off switch for it |
| 13:43.50 | KriLL3 | just find it weird that there doesn't seem to be a common issue, I guess heavy addon use isn't very common |
| 13:44.13 | Gnarfoz | didn't read anything about UI optimizations for 3.3, except that they made IsMouseOver a C-side function |
| 13:44.33 | KriLL3 | the few threads on the board get pushed down quick by random idiots annoyed at lag, as if there is anything to do about that, and there aren't any blue responses yet |
| 13:46.21 | yoshimo | lag will usually fix itself after a few hours/days |
| 13:46.29 | Mikk | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20126978839&sid=1 |
| 13:46.35 | KriLL3 | yeah, it's the influx of people checking out the new content |
| 13:46.35 | Mikk | ^ that's the thread about the UI optimization |
| 13:47.40 | yoshimo | mhmm that doesnst sound like its affecting addons , does it? |
| 13:47.59 | Mikk | hmmmmmmmm GetCVar("gxApi") on live -> "d3d9" |
| 13:48.02 | Mikk | maybe they reverted that then |
| 13:48.37 | KriLL3 | guy in the forum thread about this issue tried changing that setting, didn't help |
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| 13:56.07 | Mikk | hokay up to 62 of my standard 121 addons |
| 13:56.10 | Mikk | (standalone libs) |
| 13:57.06 | Mikk | icc 10man inc so i guess i'll see if it works fairly soon |
| 13:57.32 | Belazor | KriLL3: LFM VoA, need 5k dps or else your kicked, gear will be checked by an arbitrary random number |
| 14:01.41 | Funkeh` | Mikk, they didn't revert it |
| 14:01.43 | kandarz | YAY, I broke my wowace addon page! |
| 14:01.47 | Funkeh` | it's of by default |
| 14:01.50 | Funkeh` | off |
| 14:02.08 | Funkeh` | add ex at the end iirc |
| 14:02.27 | kandarz | Apparently adding a poll to wowace breaks it, returning a HTTP 500 Internal Server Error |
| 14:03.34 | Repo | 10sexygroup (experimental): 03Antiarc 07master * 7dfee27 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Make the group survey window all pretty. /rate works now at any point in the instance. |
| 14:03.46 | Funkeh` | it's working fine for me |
| 14:03.52 | kandarz | http://www.wowace.com/addons/everyquest/ 500 Internal Server error |
| 14:03.54 | Funkeh` | apart from curse |
| 14:03.59 | Funkeh` | which is being fucking shit as usual |
| 14:04.06 | Funkeh` | and not syncing with new files |
| 14:04.11 | Funkeh` | and ofc as usual, on the weekend |
| 14:04.44 | Funkeh` | so you broke your addon page |
| 14:04.47 | Funkeh` | not wowace |
| 14:06.08 | Gaz2 | my personal favorite is "lfm ToC, 5k dps minimum". when top 10 world kills are 6k dps |
| 14:07.02 | sb|work | wtf Antiarc :p |
| 14:07.06 | sb|work | giev screenshots! |
| 14:07.12 | sb|work | @describe sexygroups |
| 14:07.13 | sb|work | @describe sexygroup |
| 14:07.14 | Repo | sb|work: No project found that matches 'sexygroups' |
| 14:07.14 | Repo | sb|work: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup/. SexyGroup. Know how sexy your group is. |
| 14:09.22 | yoshimo | will you do something about enchants/gems int there Antiarc or will that remain in the notes? |
| 14:11.41 | KriLL3 | Gaz2: "LFG TFA link achi no noobs" |
| 14:11.53 | Gnarfoz | <+Mikk> ^ that's the thread about the UI optimization <-- that's not a UI optimization, that is a new rendering engine oO |
| 14:11.55 | KriLL3 | hmm no wait was LFM |
| 14:12.13 | Mikk | Gnarfoz: blah |
| 14:12.24 | Gnarfoz | well, it's for 3d texture management, that's what I'm saying |
| 14:12.27 | KriLL3 | something is clearly horribly wrong, and blizzard hasn't realized |
| 14:12.55 | KriLL3 | or don't care |
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| 14:15.09 | KriLL3 | Wobin: btw I got _NPCScan, RatingBuster, QuestHelper, Handynotes, Collectinator, Capping, Bagnon, BadBoy(& levels) in common with you |
| 14:15.34 | KriLL3 | all of which are off, except capping, and bagnon |
| 14:15.48 | Wobin | that's in common with yoshimo |
| 14:15.55 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 14:16.05 | Wobin | I took his list and deleted the ones I had in common |
| 14:16.09 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 14:16.49 | KriLL3 | possible that one of the addons I mentioned is the culprit? if there is any |
| 14:17.14 | Wobin | I had BadBoy, but not the extras |
| 14:17.16 | Wobin | (I don't think) |
| 14:17.18 | KriLL3 | though it feels more like it's the amount/complexity of the addons that causes issues, not a particular one |
| 14:17.23 | Wobin | and RB |
| 14:17.28 | Wobin | and _NPCScan |
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| 14:21.11 | KriLL3 | I'm progressively adding more addons over time and so far it works, just enabled auctioneer and capping, guess neither is in use except in the AH/PvP |
| 14:21.50 | KriLL3 | still got handynotes off, and LDB etc |
| 14:22.40 | KriLL3 | can run instances without crashing semi-randomly (semi since it seems to crash at the worst possible time, like on boss pulls etc) |
| 14:22.44 | SunTsu | Kemayo_: Do ypu plan on fixing BetterQuest or should I better look for a new Quest tracking addon? |
| 14:23.22 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: I use QuestGuru, quite like it, though it's nothing to write home about visually |
| 14:23.36 | KriLL3 | and I turn off the quest log "improvements" and just use the tracker |
| 14:23.52 | SunTsu | KriLL3: Yeah, had 5 crashes during endboss fights in random heroic, costing me loot and (bonus)badges - and 14g |
| 14:24.09 | KriLL3 | btw anyone seen an addon that uses the new completed quests API to list quests you lack to help with loremaster? |
| 14:24.10 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I don't like it's tracker, already tried it |
| 14:24.23 | SunTsu | KriLL3: afaik mobmap does |
| 14:24.39 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: I quite like it, after a lot of modification, looked like vomit originally |
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| 14:24.50 | SunTsu | added: A new button to synchronize the "finished" flag of quests with the server was added to the quests database view |
| 14:24.57 | KriLL3 | black brown and orange? eh? |
| 14:25.28 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: I'm looking for something more tailor made |
| 14:26.10 | KriLL3 | hmm "loremaster" sounds good... |
| 14:26.15 | SunTsu | KriLL3: What more do you need? It shows open quests, where to get them and where to get the neccessary item |
| 14:26.38 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: does it list every missing quest for a particular zone etc? |
| 14:26.59 | Gnarfoz | EveryQuest is what you want, probably |
| 14:27.01 | SunTsu | KriLL3: yupp |
| 14:28.07 | SunTsu | but, well, I don't care about loremaster, but it also has an in-game database of dropped items, picked up items, recipes, etc. |
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| 14:31.08 | KriLL3 | why does gearscore bother to rate non 80:ies? |
| 14:31.33 | KriLL3 | level 50~ in greens, yes, very important I get a number on his gear... |
| 14:32.07 | vhaarr | haste: getting some errors with the latest ouf |
| 14:32.31 | vhaarr | haste: http://pastey.net/130164 |
| 14:32.34 | KriLL3 | btw is there a more modern replacement for cooldown timers 3? starting to smell a bit... |
| 14:33.48 | KriLL3 | it shows bars with the cooldowns of your abilities and items, shrinking from full to empty, with an icon next to the bar for identification, the name of the action/item on the bar and a timer on the other side of the bar |
| 14:34.27 | KriLL3 | it's from 2008-10-27... |
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| 14:34.37 | KriLL3 | doesn't throw bugs though, weirdly |
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| 14:39.18 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I still use it and it works flawlessly as far as I can tell |
| 14:39.22 | yoshimo | patches dont neccessarily break addons ;) |
| 14:39.47 | KriLL3 | yeah it works just fine, just concerned that at some point it will break horribly and I'll have to find a new one |
| 14:39.56 | yoshimo | @describe ora2 |
| 14:39.57 | Repo | yoshimo: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ora2/. oRA2. A CT_RaidAssist alternative |
| 14:40.24 | KriLL3 | seen that addon before, I don't need the bulk of it though |
| 14:41.57 | yoshimo | well krill, im only looking for myself, cooldown timers have changed a bit for 3.3 and i want to know where to fix it |
| 14:42.57 | Repo | 10handynotes_guild: 03Nevcairiel * r44 HandyNotes_Guild.toc: Bump .toc and pull in latest LGP |
| 14:43.54 | Repo | 10handynotes_guild: 03Nevcairiel 041.2 * r45 : Tag as 1.2 |
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| 14:46.20 | Balreign | Did the POIIcons image from the Minimap changed during last patch? |
| 14:46.53 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel * r702 / (2 files in 1 directory): Add OptDep for AceGUI-3.0-Spell-EditBox and bump .toc |
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| 14:48.37 | yoshimo | my capping has a few icon problems for points of intrest in isle of conquest Balreign |
| 14:49.06 | yoshimo | they also disappear on the worldmap sometimes |
| 14:49.24 | Balreign | Cartographer3 as some trouble with it also |
| 14:49.30 | Balreign | hum |
| 14:49.43 | ThiefMaster | better fix cart2 :P |
| 14:50.12 | Balreign | I won't, I like the way cart3 works |
| 14:51.01 | Balreign | but it's ckknight's project so It's only for myself :p |
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| 14:56.01 | Mikk | mapster + handynotes |
| 14:56.22 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r902 AceConfig-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0.lua: |
| 14:56.24 | Repo | AceConfigDialog-3.0: Don't bail out and error when a dialogControl was invalid, instead show the error and fallback to the default control for that type. |
| 14:58.46 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel 042.0.5 * r703 : Tag as 2.0.5 |
| 14:58.52 | Balreign | mapster is great but it's not cart3 |
| 14:59.55 | nevcairiel | did cart3 *ever* work flawlessly? |
| 15:01.26 | Balreign | works fine for me, Except with this patch |
| 15:01.29 | Hjalte | It lacked some features, but cart3 was pretty solid last I used it. |
| 15:01.34 | Balreign | And it's only the POIs |
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| 15:03.09 | Balreign | and by the way cart3 has never been released, it's always an experimental addon. |
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| 15:14.37 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r114 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 15:14.39 | Repo | Change Query so imported tag isn't applied to already completed quests |
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| 15:15.53 | Hjalte | kandarz: Everyquest says I have 83 quests not in database. Do you want my saved variables or are you already aware of those quests? |
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| 15:19.08 | asmodai | Hjalte: I just emailed them to him |
| 15:19.19 | asmodai | hahaha: |
| 15:19.21 | asmodai | From: Blizzard Entertainment <jdtxpnvcdoyfl@sina.com> |
| 15:19.21 | asmodai | To: asmodai@in-nomine.org |
| 15:19.24 | asmodai | OH REALLY |
| 15:27.01 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1166 Melee.lua: |
| 15:27.03 | Repo | - Added additional check to see that GetInventoryItemLink is not nil (it seems that in some rare case GratuityLib:SetInventoryItem returned a non-nil value even when GetInventoryItemLink is nil) |
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| 15:29.13 | kandarz | Hjalte: up to you if you care enough, I doubt any of the ones you have in your list are not in the 100 other lists I've gotten so far |
| 15:29.36 | kandarz | to be frank, they're all still sitting in my inbox waiting for something to be done with them |
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| 15:30.17 | yoshimo | asmodai, ive seen better phishing mails ;) |
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| 15:31.37 | Hjalte | kandarz: I was thinking you'd probably have them already, as is the case. |
| 15:32.59 | yoshimo | probably the quel delar questchain, and some internal hidden quests |
| 15:33.59 | yoshimo | can anyone recommend a small addon for paladins bacon of light and sacred shield? just to see when its time to rebuff them |
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| 15:34.36 | Fisker | Yes really asmodai |
| 15:35.00 | arkanes | yoshimo: zomgbuffs does more than that, but it's what I use |
| 15:35.15 | VonhintenHOME` | yoshimo, I use ClassTimers |
| 15:36.19 | yoshimo | zomgbuffs does alot more i know ;) |
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| 15:37.17 | VonhintenHOME` | classtimers has a smart monitor so you don't have to have a focus or target to track it |
| 15:37.26 | ckknight | hey all |
| 15:37.34 | VonhintenHOME` | otherwise, I'd just use Satrina's to track them |
| 15:38.02 | VonhintenHOME` | howdy ckk |
| 15:39.58 | kandarz | yoshimo: I updated data 2 days ago, as far as I know, Quel'Delar quest chain got in |
| 15:40.11 | mojosdojo | yoshimo: NeedToKnow maybe |
| 15:45.10 | Repo | 10chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.0.9-7-g94d362c Appearance/Masks/Mask-SQUARE.tga: [+1 commit] Remake the square mask in an attempt to fix Error 132 problems some users are reporting. |
| 15:45.32 | EthanCentaurai | if that doesn't work, nothing will |
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| 15:45.41 | ckknight | thanks, EthanCentaurai |
| 15:46.27 | EthanCentaurai | thinks he's getting in the way... |
| 15:46.59 | yoshimo | isle of conquest map broken for anyone else? i dont see the status of the nodes anymore |
| 15:47.19 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 15:47.37 | Stanzilla | error 132 because of minimap masks? |
| 15:47.56 | EthanCentaurai | apparently the square mask in Chinchilla is causing WoW to barf |
| 15:48.08 | EthanCentaurai | I can't replicate it on any of my computers though |
| 15:48.21 | VonhintenHOME` | non-standard texture size? |
| 15:48.26 | VonhintenHOME` | power of 2? |
| 15:48.39 | EthanCentaurai | I can only assume it's a graphics issue or a file permission issue tbh |
| 15:49.42 | Stanzilla | Mikk: could that be your crash thingy? |
| 15:50.02 | Mikk | i'm not crashing, i'm freezing |
| 15:50.18 | Stanzilla | hm, I'm crashing |
| 15:50.22 | nevcairiel | gets mikk a hot tea |
| 15:50.33 | Wobin | gets Mikk a blankie |
| 15:54.20 | Fisker | tugs Mikk in |
| 15:54.25 | Gnarfoz | is there some kind of consensus regarding naming of Broker plugins? |
| 15:54.35 | Gnarfoz | (for the TOC title field) |
| 15:55.13 | Gnarfoz | I've got some "Broker: xyz" ones, but I'm not using that many |
| 15:55.19 | yoshimo | Funkeh` , you didnt add emotes to the antispamfilter in badboy yet, did you? |
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| 15:57.44 | KriLL3 | Fisker: any progress on the wow crashing issue? doesn't crash for me now that I've cut back my addons to bare minimum |
| 15:58.52 | ckknight | I think I might work on addons today |
| 15:59.22 | Stanzilla | wth |
| 16:00.30 | Fisker | Same here for me KriLL3 |
| 16:00.35 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: not really, no, people just name them how they like |
| 16:00.36 | Fisker | i just simply can't be bothered finding out which one it is |
| 16:00.58 | KriLL3 | Fisker: sure it's one particular one? or might it just be some general overload issue? |
| 16:01.05 | Fisker | dunno |
| 16:01.13 | Fisker | we should try to compare addons |
| 16:01.25 | KriLL3 | is there an easy way to list all of your addons? |
| 16:01.28 | Funkeh` | yoshimo, custom emotes are in |
| 16:01.50 | Fisker | i'm thinking dir > file.txt |
| 16:02.02 | Fisker | but that will need us to all use unembedded libs |
| 16:02.39 | Fisker | or bug sylvanaar to add it in ACP |
| 16:02.49 | Fisker | hey sylvanaar |
| 16:06.52 | yoshimo | mhmm this one uses /bonk everytime he hits me, chat is flooded |
| 16:07.26 | KriLL3 | why doesn't the game itself stop flooding? |
| 16:07.42 | Funkeh` | yoshimo, that isn't a custom emote |
| 16:07.46 | asmodai | yoshimo: Guess he misses the TF2 scout |
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| 16:12.36 | yoshimo | yes, and its annoying as hell ... |
| 16:13.06 | KriLL3 | is there ever a viable reason to allow 5+ lines of the same thing in the span in a split second? |
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| 16:13.33 | yoshimo | KriLL3, id say NO |
| 16:13.49 | yoshimo | at least regarding chat&emotes |
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| 16:18.31 | Fisker | The worst part is that you can't report non-custom emotes KriLL3 |
| 16:18.37 | Fisker | i have to manually report them |
| 16:18.45 | Fisker | And sometimes they just discard it with "LOL use report spam" |
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| 16:22.55 | KriLL3 | man I've had my crashing issue ticket since near 3.3 release, still "no estimate" |
| 16:23.04 | KriLL3 | bs, you know the exact estimate, forever |
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| 16:23.11 | KriLL3 | it only ever changes when it's pending |
| 16:23.20 | yoshimo | KriLL3 , i reported a halls of reflection bug 27h ago ;) |
| 16:23.24 | KriLL3 | I'm an adult, I don't need to be kept in limbo |
| 16:23.30 | yoshimo | they seem to be flooded ;) |
| 16:23.35 | KriLL3 | yoshimo: what bug is that? |
| 16:23.35 | yoshimo | with tickets |
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| 16:24.08 | yoshimo | KriLL3, the horde group was rescued by an alliance ship and the guards prevented us from looting because they were hostile and kept attacking us :D |
| 16:24.15 | KriLL3 | yoshimo: my main complaint is that they claim not to know, right up until about 10min before they handle yours, might as well be infinite hold music |
| 16:24.17 | KriLL3 | yoshimo: lol |
| 16:24.37 | yoshimo | i doubt that is some questevent |
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| 16:24.57 | KriLL3 | that's a new one, I head about the DC:ing alliance issue |
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| 16:25.28 | KriLL3 | yoshimo: why didn't you board the ship and kill the rotten alliance? |
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| 16:25.37 | yoshimo | we did, but it took some time ;) and this bug is worth reporting, although it was quite fun :D |
| 16:26.03 | Dezzimal | my airship in icc10 didn't land after defeating the event |
| 16:26.17 | yoshimo | that one is known already i think Dezzimal |
| 16:26.20 | Dezzimal | it just floated off in the middle of whoknowswhere |
| 16:26.27 | sb|work | your airship???? |
| 16:26.27 | sb|work | :( |
| 16:27.18 | yoshimo | well maybe well fight that one on 10man version tonight |
| 16:28.25 | KriLL3 | btw new low in "pro" wow pve: "LFM ICC 5 mans heroic, gearscore 5000 min, link achi & stats" |
| 16:28.34 | asmodai | wtf |
| 16:28.39 | KriLL3 | liek, srsly? |
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| 16:28.47 | Dezzimal | don't use gearscore |
| 16:28.49 | Dezzimal | its bad! |
| 16:29.39 | Fisker | easy fix KriLL3 |
| 16:29.52 | Fisker | i > specific dungeons > Check ICC Instance -> Find Group |
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| 16:33.13 | KriLL3 | I use the light version just to quickly gauge people, but I don't form a complete opinion on that |
| 16:33.13 | KriLL3 | and if it's DPS I don't really mind if they're low |
| 16:33.13 | KriLL3 | same with healers really, I'm horribly overgeared for heroics, I can go sans healer most of the time... |
| 16:33.13 | KriLL3 | I did VH HC the other day with a total of 6 heals cast on me |
| 16:33.16 | KriLL3 | imp lotp + 31k armor + 52k hp (with buffs, 42k without) = unstoppable killing machine |
| 16:33.32 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I sometimes expect people to ask for achievment links for pugging "Threat from above" |
| 16:33.51 | arkanes | that just doesn't happen much on my server |
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| 16:34.00 | arkanes | and when it does people generally just ignore whoeveres asking |
| 16:34.13 | KriLL3 | "Ormorok the Tree-Shaper" in Nexus HC hits me for 1028 dmg |
| 16:34.13 | KriLL3 | the fall from the drop at the shortcut hit me for 4k |
| 16:34.24 | KriLL3 | oh an one more note on gearscore: I can get a lot higher score by jumbling my gear up, which makes it a lot worse for most tasks |
| 16:34.35 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: they have on my server |
| 16:34.54 | arkanes | I've had generally very good LFD experiences too, the worst was a nexus run with a horribly bad DK tank |
| 16:34.59 | KriLL3 | Fisker: I just random until I get em |
| 16:35.14 | KriLL3 | arkanes: I'm the tank, so no bad tanks in my groups ;) |
| 16:35.19 | arkanes | nearly pulled aggro on keristraza even with tricksing *twice* |
| 16:35.24 | SunTsu | arkanes: I have good experiences, too, but most pugs are full of assholes now |
| 16:35.26 | arkanes | I'm a tank too |
| 16:35.29 | KriLL3 | I've had some people in leveling blues, but never more than 2 per group, and you still raep |
| 16:35.38 | asmodai | KriLL3: So, how's the addon story? Want my list of addons that work? |
| 16:35.46 | KriLL3 | asmodai: sure |
| 16:35.47 | arkanes | but I don't need any triumph gear so I'm mostly pugging on my rogue |
| 16:35.54 | KriLL3 | I need some still |
| 16:35.57 | asmodai | KriLL3: k, gimme a moment |
| 16:36.12 | KriLL3 | legs, and shoulders are still left, I got nearly as good items currently but eh, quick upgrade |
| 16:36.21 | arkanes | SunTsu: the majority of mine never have any conversation beyond "who's the tank" and "nice run thanks" |
| 16:36.27 | arkanes | often not even that |
| 16:36.41 | KriLL3 | and then I'll downgrade for the tanking cloak at 213 iLVL, can't believe there are no cloaks between that one and the frost emblem ones |
| 16:36.45 | Repo | 10ora2: 03Dridzt * r671 Participant/Participant.lua: - Rebirth, Ankh, DI cooldowns corrected for patch 3.3. |
| 16:36.49 | KriLL3 | arkanes: yeah same |
| 16:36.51 | SunTsu | Yesterday, soulforge heroic, tank runs into a room, while I was still aproaching where the group used to stand. Ran to the right, around the corner, died. His comment: "Flawed healing!" |
| 16:37.07 | SunTsu | My reply was "Flawed line of sight" |
| 16:37.13 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 16:37.28 | KriLL3 | well I'm a bit like that also, though I do look at the minimap to check that they're at least following |
| 16:37.31 | arkanes | I'm geared enough that I don't have to wait for my haeler |
| 16:37.38 | KriLL3 | but yeah I'm a speedtank |
| 16:37.40 | arkanes | but yeah I make sure they're at least moving |
| 16:37.51 | KriLL3 | if the group we're on is on their last legs and can't aggro anything I jump to the next |
| 16:37.55 | SunTsu | arkanes: I was moving, just towards where the group stood ;) |
| 16:38.15 | arkanes | SunTsu: sure, and I'd have pulled too because I know I can handle it alone for the 20 seconds until you get tehre |
| 16:38.23 | KriLL3 | also helps since some people in pugs forget that they're not the tank |
| 16:38.24 | arkanes | but thats because I'm awesome and your tank was not :P |
| 16:38.42 | KriLL3 | if you keep running ahead they can't get ahead of you, body pull 3 groups and then whine about your tanking |
| 16:38.56 | arkanes | forge is rough to pull too |
| 16:39.00 | arkanes | all those spaced out casters |
| 16:39.01 | Fisker | i hate you dridzt |
| 16:39.05 | KriLL3 | arkanes: yeah |
| 16:39.08 | arkanes | so getting there early to give you some run around time helps |
| 16:39.16 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 16:39.28 | KriLL3 | I charge one, then run to the next spamming mangle maul and swipe |
| 16:39.47 | arkanes | I miss the talented interrupt on FoK so much there :( |
| 16:39.49 | SunTsu | Also nice are guys who like to rush in and demand buffing. Going in 10 seconds like "blessing of kings!" "BOK!" "AM I TALKING TO A WALL????" |
| 16:40.27 | KriLL3 | and another thing about these pugs, they seem to mostly ignore marks, sure I can hold aggro really well, but if I got cooldown on berserk and maul hits 2 targets it feels like they always manage to attack one that isn't one of those 2, even if I marked one with skull |
| 16:40.50 | KriLL3 | I only use skull now, when one target is down I've spam swiped the rest enough to have em locked on me |
| 16:41.11 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: well that's ok imo, I buff while running to the first mobs =P |
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| 16:41.35 | arkanes | I have to buff up and drink before starting :( |
| 16:41.38 | SunTsu | KriLL3: You have how many different buffs you need to adjust according to specs? ;) |
| 16:41.46 | arkanes | makes me sad but mana is a serious issue for me, especially in forge |
| 16:41.54 | KriLL3 | I don't know if it's because my feral AP has skyrocketed in bear or what, but I can hold a ton of mobs with ease now as long as I got a couple seconds headstart with swipe |
| 16:42.10 | arkanes | swip is far and away the best aoe threat out there |
| 16:42.14 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: I got 2 buffs I throw on the party, GoTW and if there is no pala, my drums of pocket paladin |
| 16:42.35 | KriLL3 | arkanes: lol drinking, haven't seen that in ages |
| 16:42.43 | arkanes | KriLL3: :( |
| 16:42.51 | arkanes | downside to prot |
| 16:42.56 | SunTsu | KriLL3: Yeah, and I have to setup ZOMGBuffs anew for every group setup, so that takes some time |
| 16:43.15 | arkanes | SunTsu: zomgbuffs has "generate" button |
| 16:43.20 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: sound like it's more of a detriment than a boon |
| 16:43.37 | arkanes | although I actually have default settings that work fine |
| 16:43.59 | arkanes | and if some enhance shaman complains about kings instead of might I either ignore him or fix it while I'm pulling |
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| 16:44.06 | KriLL3 | arkanes: well in the past I couldn't hold anything with swipe except healer aggro, as soon as anyone started hitting something I only swiped they got aggro |
| 16:44.09 | KriLL3 | now it's fine as long as we kill one target I maul/mangle first |
| 16:44.16 | SunTsu | arkanes: Yeah, but some mages want wisdom, others demand kings, some warriors want kings, some might.. |
| 16:44.43 | arkanes | well, I don't know what gear level you're running |
| 16:44.49 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: why doesn't palas get 1 buff instead that's about 75% of the effect of all of those or similar? |
| 16:44.50 | arkanes | but for almost all casters kings is better than wisdom |
| 16:45.04 | arkanes | so my zomg is setup to kings everyone and sanc me |
| 16:45.11 | KriLL3 | instead of micro managing |
| 16:45.16 | arkanes | might on rogues/hunters |
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| 16:45.21 | KriLL3 | or something like increase biggest stat % |
| 16:45.33 | KriLL3 | everyone's happy |
| 16:45.39 | arkanes | warriors always get kings, theres no reason for a DPSer to not be shouting |
| 16:45.45 | SunTsu | arkanes: I'm talking about people demanding things and getting rude if they don't get what they asked immediately |
| 16:45.46 | nevcairiel | doesnt kings usually make everyone happy? :P |
| 16:45.57 | arkanes | SunTsu: well, are you the tank? |
| 16:46.05 | SunTsu | arkanes: nope, healer |
| 16:46.07 | arkanes | if you're the tank, you don't need to brook rudeness |
| 16:46.10 | arkanes | well healers too |
| 16:46.15 | arkanes | 10 second queue time |
| 16:46.22 | SunTsu | With 15 Minutes Debuff |
| 16:46.26 | KriLL3 | arkanes: I like to point out rudeness to the over eager idiot in the group |
| 16:46.37 | KriLL3 | oh you died? sorry. |
| 16:46.37 | arkanes | I've actually never had it happen in a lfd pug |
| 16:46.54 | arkanes | the bitchy people generally are the horribly undergeared ones in wednesday night raid pug |
| 16:46.56 | KriLL3 | I've not met anyone downright rude yet, just horribly stupid |
| 16:47.02 | SunTsu | arkanes: you simply forget the 15 minutes debuff for leaving early |
| 16:47.13 | arkanes | SunTsu: I'm not suggesting you leave early |
| 16:47.14 | KriLL3 | like charge group I'm pulling that fears stupid |
| 16:47.20 | arkanes | SunTsu: I'm suggesting that you simply ignore rude people |
| 16:48.01 | SunTsu | arkanes: I am most of the time, I am just saying that due to lfd I encounter more and more rude groups |
| 16:48.09 | arkanes | wierd |
| 16:48.25 | arkanes | never happens in mine |
| 16:48.40 | arkanes | we've never had any trouble with loot whoring or ninjas or anythign too |
| 16:48.41 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: I don't get rude groups, just silent ones |
| 16:48.42 | SunTsu | You can fuck up every which way you like if you probably never ever see those guys again |
| 16:48.57 | arkanes | I suppose all the bad people are queuing for toc25 :P |
| 16:49.12 | SunTsu | And if you see them again you can count on being forgotten, because it's been too long |
| 16:49.15 | arkanes | I want to stab whoever wrote BuffEnough and decided to add a raid-spamming button to it |
| 16:49.15 | KriLL3 | and it seems different servers have different customs on frozen orbs, mine always greed, but some always need, so you need to check what people do |
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| 16:49.41 | KriLL3 | I guess the norm in the future will be always need |
| 16:49.47 | arkanes | we always greed |
| 16:49.57 | arkanes | seems to be battlegroup wide, except for one mage who needed |
| 16:50.00 | SunTsu | KriLL3: need makes more sense than greed |
| 16:50.02 | KriLL3 | that's what we did, but now you join groups with 1-3 guys needing |
| 16:50.08 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: I guess |
| 16:50.15 | KriLL3 | but on our server you were an ass if you did |
| 16:50.19 | KriLL3 | since all picked greed |
| 16:50.20 | arkanes | I've still got 50 of the useless things in the bank, I don't get too worried about it |
| 16:50.33 | KriLL3 | I got about 20, and yes I don't need any |
| 16:50.37 | KriLL3 | still annoying though |
| 16:50.46 | SunTsu | Our realm uses greed, too, but that just leaves open the window for need-nanjaing |
| 16:50.55 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 16:51.02 | SunTsu | or ninjaing |
| 16:51.18 | KriLL3 | I haven't had any deliberate ninjaing sofar |
| 16:51.26 | KriLL3 | and I've run like 30 instances since 3.3 |
| 16:51.40 | arkanes | in all my years playing wow, across 2 servers, I've only seen a real live honest to god ninja twice |
| 16:51.51 | KriLL3 | but I guess it would be easy. pick need, leave party, never to see any of them again |
| 16:51.51 | arkanes | I've heard about a couple more from close friends |
| 16:52.16 | KriLL3 | I've seen a lot more than that, but I started wow on Warsong, better known as Russiansong |
| 16:52.19 | SunTsu | arkanes: to be honsest, I don't really care about any item enough to worry about ninja looting |
| 16:52.28 | KriLL3 | a lot of 12 year old boys that doesn't speak a word of english |
| 16:52.46 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: not even that super rare item you've wanted for ages and ages? |
| 16:52.48 | SunTsu | KriLL3: then ask them all to sing Kalinka ;) |
| 16:52.56 | arkanes | yeah the first one I ever actually encountered was back in classic, we were doing LBRS with a guy who didn't speak |
| 16:53.03 | arkanes | krol blade dropped and he took it and hearthed |
| 16:53.06 | KriLL3 | arkanes: something like that here also |
| 16:53.28 | SunTsu | KriLL3: No, if somebody ninjas something and then vanishes I am glad to be rid of him, for the cheap price of an item that can drop again ;) |
| 16:53.29 | KriLL3 | also had the random people that didn't seem to understand what the difference between need and greed was |
| 16:53.47 | arkanes | I don't like that disenchant and greed are on the same level |
| 16:53.49 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: I did ToC HC 43 times in a row to get Marrowstrike |
| 16:53.54 | KriLL3 | arkanes: yeah |
| 16:53.54 | arkanes | I'd rather someone get some offspec gear than me get a shard |
| 16:54.11 | KriLL3 | ah you meant that way, well he could need for offspec |
| 16:54.23 | KriLL3 | I thought you mean that the buttons were close |
| 16:54.35 | SunTsu | arkanes: If I want something for offspec I always ask if I am allowed to need |
| 16:54.42 | arkanes | KriLL3: long standing tradtion on our server is need for main, greed for off |
| 16:54.44 | KriLL3 | there should be another step, semi-need =P |
| 16:54.57 | KriLL3 | arkanes: ours you ask |
| 16:55.04 | KriLL3 | and if people agree you need |
| 16:55.08 | arkanes | DEer picks it up off the corpse if everyone passes |
| 16:55.27 | KriLL3 | greed is the default here |
| 16:55.35 | SunTsu | arkanes: our DEers normally used greed, too, every else passed |
| 16:55.41 | SunTsu | until now, of course |
| 16:55.52 | KriLL3 | passing isn't done in heroics, is in premades, raids etc ofc though |
| 16:56.18 | arkanes | there's less room for "oh I guess I did need that" with the new DE |
| 16:56.25 | KriLL3 | especially pointless if you're in an instance that drops 200 blues |
| 16:56.25 | arkanes | but ah well, we'll adjust :) |
| 16:56.32 | arkanes | hah yeah |
| 16:56.49 | KriLL3 | though it's always fun to stare at the people that need on that stuff |
| 16:57.07 | KriLL3 | you can get so much better gear elsewhere |
| 16:57.23 | arkanes | there's some really nice stuff in ICC |
| 16:57.27 | arkanes | the 5 mans I mean |
| 16:57.38 | KriLL3 | 40 crusader marks and you got a 200 epic weapon |
| 16:57.46 | KriLL3 | yeah, but that's not guaranteed though |
| 16:57.57 | arkanes | hence why you need on it when it drops :P |
| 16:58.03 | KriLL3 | I mean people walking around in leveling blues and doing heroics to gear up, and need on other blues |
| 16:58.07 | SunTsu | KriLL3: yeah, but still it has to drop and you have to be the only one to need for it. I do that too, if I'm gearing an alt. better to have it for 2-3 days than having worse items |
| 16:58.37 | KriLL3 | why don't they target the instances/marks that give them shiny purples instead of bothering with more blues? |
| 16:59.01 | KriLL3 | I went from leveling blues to epics in ToC HC |
| 16:59.18 | arkanes | eh upgrades are upgrades |
| 16:59.25 | arkanes | but also you really can't do that unless you get carried |
| 17:00.10 | SunTsu | KriLL3: Well, if it is an upgrade, it's better someone uses it, even if for only a short time, than selling it to an NPC |
| 17:00.45 | SunTsu | arkanes: yeah, right, which is my motive, I don't like being carried, so I use every upgrade, and advance step by step |
| 17:01.00 | arkanes | I don't mind carrying good players in bad gear |
| 17:01.05 | KriLL3 | well sure, but why do people trudge through random instances with no real goal when a lot better gear is available to them for crusader marks from dailies? |
| 17:01.22 | arkanes | KriLL3: well, it takes 2 weeks of dailies just to get to the point where you can start collecting marks |
| 17:01.38 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: I got perhaps a bit carried at first, but it wasn't long until I pulled my own weight as dps, then started tanking |
| 17:01.49 | arkanes | DPS can gear up much faster |
| 17:01.59 | SunTsu | KriLL3: because badges are badges, and when something you can use comes your way... and it's a real long way to get enough crusader marks |
| 17:02.03 | KriLL3 | arkanes: well true, but it's gold, and guaranteed gear |
| 17:02.04 | Xuerian | KriLL3: Becuase instances are more fun than dailes |
| 17:02.17 | arkanes | KriLL3: sure, but what you are supposed to do for those 2 weeks after you do your dailies? |
| 17:02.21 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: depends on your role |
| 17:02.29 | arkanes | maybe they run instances :P |
| 17:02.30 | Xuerian | KriLL3: I'm a HEALER and It's more fun |
| 17:02.42 | Xuerian | If you don't enjoy running instances, why the fuck are you gearing |
| 17:02.44 | KriLL3 | bah, I was healer back in MC and BWL, wasn't fun |
| 17:02.45 | asmodai | KriLL3: making the list now, had to take care of something for a friend |
| 17:02.56 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: I enjoy it fine, just a bit taxing at times |
| 17:03.15 | arkanes | raid healing can be brutal |
| 17:03.26 | Xuerian | If I wanted to do boring, repetitive stuff by myself, I'd get something productive done |
| 17:03.27 | arkanes | 5 mans not so much, unless the whole group is undergeared |
| 17:03.28 | SunTsu | I geared up my paladin as retribution, getting starter equipment by blacksmithing, and collected healing equipment on the ways until the point I was geared enough to heal naxx10 |
| 17:04.02 | KriLL3 | I'm tank, and at times I feel like letting that one dps that doesn't like to stand behind me, body pulls and generally likes to pull aggro and doesn't really seem to care if I have to fight hard die... |
| 17:04.07 | SunTsu | Since 3.3 I didn't do dailies anymore, random pugging is more effective ;) |
| 17:04.23 | Xuerian | Point of instances is to do boring, repetitive stuff with other people, making myself feel better by seeing true idiots fuck up |
| 17:04.26 | arkanes | it always bugs me when people say stuff like "oh, you can tank naxx in leveling greens" |
| 17:04.35 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: I still want some tournament pets, mounts etc |
| 17:04.41 | arkanes | I mean, sure, you *can*, but try that with the entire raid at that gear level |
| 17:04.49 | SunTsu | arkanes: Sure you can, the question remains for how long ;) |
| 17:05.02 | KriLL3 | I did tank Naxx 10 in 200 blues and purples... |
| 17:05.07 | arkanes | it's not the cakewalk it is when you're an undergeared tank but you've got a whole raid of overgeared people backing you up |
| 17:05.07 | KriLL3 | and I was good at it |
| 17:05.14 | arkanes | sure, so did I |
| 17:05.25 | KriLL3 | (this was back when that was good gear) |
| 17:05.29 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 17:05.41 | KriLL3 | funny, now I can't get into raids with several 245 items, rest mostly 232 |
| 17:05.42 | arkanes | which I got by running heroics, and those heroics I did in leveling greens, with an also levleing-green geared healer and dps |
| 17:05.45 | arkanes | and man it got rough |
| 17:05.53 | KriLL3 | "achi?" "no but..." *ignored* |
| 17:06.11 | KriLL3 | funny really |
| 17:06.38 | KriLL3 | no wait, other word |
| 17:06.39 | KriLL3 | sad |
| 17:07.00 | Xuerian | Well, at least you're not a shitty dps in 245/232 items |
| 17:07.17 | arkanes | the biggest reason for the achieve link is because you want players who know the fights |
| 17:07.19 | Xuerian | course, then again, dps gets pugged |
| 17:07.22 | KriLL3 | I think I would be, they're all gemmed and enchanted for tanking |
| 17:07.38 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: I know most of them, I've done em before and I can read websites |
| 17:07.48 | SunTsu | KriLL3: Yeah, people are dumb. But it's been like that on later days of tbc, too. "No, sorry, you can't pug with us for Gruul, because you are only ZA equipped" |
| 17:07.49 | KriLL3 | just not on this particular toon |
| 17:07.52 | Xuerian | KriLL3: The sad thing is that a good lot of people cant' |
| 17:08.03 | Xuerian | (read) |
| 17:08.04 | arkanes | it's also because well geard & experienced tanks & healers can largely carry a raid |
| 17:08.20 | KriLL3 | true |
| 17:08.22 | arkanes | not quite so much in togc, which has hefty DPS checks, but certainly in naxx, lots of easymode ulduar |
| 17:08.47 | Superfly1 | KriLL3: that's the point, where i used to fake achievements |
| 17:08.48 | arkanes | anyway, the most successful pugs on my server are generally less pugs than just cross-guild raids |
| 17:08.50 | Xuerian | It confuses me that people still do naxx |
| 17:08.57 | arkanes | Xuerian: just for fun, really |
| 17:09.06 | KriLL3 | at times it's annoying, the tank needs to know a lot about the encounters, and to a certain degree healers, dps just needs to spam their cast sequence macro |
| 17:09.11 | Xuerian | I'd rather go do old instances - eg za - and get gear for looks in that case |
| 17:09.20 | Xuerian | still wants his mojo set :( |
| 17:09.37 | SunTsu | Xuerian: Why not? If you are fast you clear it in under an hour for disenchant stuff and badges |
| 17:09.54 | KriLL3 | I'd like an encounter where the DPS are the ones that need to stay on their toes... |
| 17:09.55 | Fisker | CRASH |
| 17:09.58 | KriLL3 | evil alugh |
| 17:10.02 | Xuerian | SunTsu: Mostly because I'm a new transfer and the person who got me to's guild looks a bit shitty for quick naxx runs |
| 17:10.02 | KriLL3 | Fisker: yay |
| 17:10.08 | Fisker | indeed |
| 17:10.33 | KriLL3 | Fisker: enabled more addons? |
| 17:10.41 | Xuerian | KriLL3: go go hakkar heroic? |
| 17:10.49 | Fisker | already back to all the standard addons |
| 17:10.54 | Fisker | as i said can't be bothered, etc |
| 17:10.54 | Xuerian | GET IN THE FUCKING POISON YOU RETARDS |
| 17:10.55 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: I wasn't raiding at that time |
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| 17:11.13 | Xuerian | WHERE *IS* THE POISON?! Goddam hunters. |
| 17:11.14 | Fisker | it's exceptionally funny in HoR though KriLL3 |
| 17:11.24 | Fisker | crashing 10 feet from the Lich King = win |
| 17:11.31 | SunTsu | I was to naxx10 last week with my paladin, it took us three evenings to kill 6 bosses. Most guys were around ilevel 205-228 - but only 1 or 2 have been to naxx before |
| 17:11.39 | KriLL3 | though some of the ICC heroics require the DPS to at least chech the big fucking messages on their screen |
| 17:11.46 | VonhintenHOME` | [12:09] <KriLL3> I'd like an encounter where the DPS are the ones that need to stay on their toes... |
| 17:11.50 | Xuerian | Fisker: My group with a awesome tank and me healing failed at the last block on HoR and gave up =| |
| 17:11.55 | VonhintenHOME` | The 2nd fight in ICC is like that |
| 17:12.02 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: the raid I guess? |
| 17:12.11 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah, it's pretty intense |
| 17:12.15 | SunTsu | Fisker: yeah, I had that on my first HoR run |
| 17:12.24 | arkanes | hoR is rough |
| 17:12.49 | SunTsu | the first heroic to get my paladin OOM |
| 17:12.50 | arkanes | definitely a step up in difficulty from previous heroics |
| 17:12.54 | KriLL3 | I wish more encounters had the "if you hit me now you'll die" stuff, always fun being alone with healer |
| 17:12.56 | SunTsu | and wipe because of that |
| 17:12.58 | VonhintenHOME` | HoR is only rough if you don't have a solid tank or someone that can tranq/anesth enrage, and if people don't assist to kill Priest and Mage first |
| 17:13.16 | arkanes | it's rough even if you do have a solid tank |
| 17:13.25 | VonhintenHOME` | because of the enrage really |
| 17:13.31 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: it's also rough if you like druids got a total of 0 ranged aggro abilities, other than taunt, that is on a cooldown |
| 17:13.32 | VonhintenHOME` | if you have a fok rogue with anesth, it's cake |
| 17:13.34 | arkanes | it's got substantial DPS and healing requirements |
| 17:13.42 | miica | did new patch come already |
| 17:13.45 | arkanes | the enrage is not really the hard part :\ |
| 17:13.50 | VonhintenHOME` | the healing is tough, I will give you that |
| 17:13.54 | arkanes | and its hard to tank too |
| 17:13.55 | KriLL3 | you can stun the enraged guys btw |
| 17:14.09 | Xuerian | Oh, oh. Or vash, or kael |
| 17:14.11 | Xuerian | Those were fun |
| 17:14.20 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: it would be cake to tank if all the mobs spawned at the same spot |
| 17:14.31 | KriLL3 | but I need to run around the whole room |
| 17:14.33 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't think it's that hard to tank, like I said, if the tank ignores the mage and priest and let's the DPS take care of it, it's much easier |
| 17:14.44 | KriLL3 | unless you got a hunter with misdirect or a rogue with tricks of the trade |
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| 17:14.57 | Xuerian | SunTsu: I'm still geared naxx10 and HHoR didn't make me oom =|.. I don't think I went below half mana o_0 |
| 17:14.57 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: you can't ignore those, the dps dies if you do |
| 17:15.10 | VonhintenHOME` | not true, especially if the dps has interrupts |
| 17:15.11 | arkanes | some CC helps |
| 17:15.15 | Xuerian | Then again I'm a shammy. <.< |
| 17:15.31 | arkanes | Xuerian: cleansing totem is amazing there |
| 17:15.33 | VonhintenHOME` | the flamestrike is nasty, needs interrupting, my rogue can lock down and destroy a rogue easily |
| 17:15.36 | arkanes | as in so many other places |
| 17:15.42 | VonhintenHOME` | err, the mage |
| 17:15.43 | Xuerian | arkanes: truth |
| 17:16.21 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: last time I did it it was a lock, shaman (healer) warrior, mage + me (feral tank) |
| 17:16.22 | arkanes | VonhintenHOME`: anyway saying its not hard to tank because you can just not tank it seems to be missing the point to me :P |
| 17:16.24 | Xuerian | The funny part is we didn't have a rogue for that, and we were having trouble with kill order, but still completed that part and failed the runaway |
| 17:16.27 | KriLL3 | I had to tank everything |
| 17:16.52 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm just saying, with a strategy, it's far easier. |
| 17:16.57 | arkanes | sure |
| 17:17.00 | arkanes | most things are |
| 17:17.01 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: first time I had np at all with that part, second time our dps must have been a lot lower, we were borderline dead when we got through the last barrier |
| 17:17.02 | VonhintenHOME` | If you go in, try to aoe tank it all, split dps, it's going to suck |
| 17:17.15 | arkanes | the runaway is rough too, especially with a melee heavy group |
| 17:17.17 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: I did mark priest with a skull, most of the dps ignored it |
| 17:17.24 | Xuerian | KriLL3: Same, actually. First was with a preset+1 pug, second was with 2+pug |
| 17:17.24 | KriLL3 | arkanes: yeah, ours was |
| 17:17.33 | SunTsu | Xuerian: which class? |
| 17:17.37 | arkanes | stupid casters standing inside the lich kings winter thingy |
| 17:17.56 | VonhintenHOME` | that could be tough with a lack of DPS |
| 17:18.15 | arkanes | yeah we were took a severly undergeared DPS to it |
| 17:18.20 | arkanes | and that was a mistake |
| 17:18.21 | KriLL3 | I did it with my brother that time and we were on skype "kill the last one!" "why don't you do it?" (last one was behind the LK at that point |
| 17:18.29 | KriLL3 | ... yes I'll just go past LK and kill the mob... |
| 17:18.30 | SunTsu | Xuerian: ah, shammy, I play paladin, and it's the whole group taking damage that makes me OOM, so any group healing class might fare otherwise, yes ;) |
| 17:18.40 | Xuerian | SunTsu: First was pally/lock/shammy/shammy/something, next was warrior/shammy/shammy/priest/pally |
| 17:18.50 | Xuerian | SunTsu: True, true |
| 17:19.06 | VonhintenHOME` | Pally's are still boned on aoe damage fights |
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| 17:19.41 | SunTsu | Which all new heroics have plenty of ;) |
| 17:19.55 | KriLL3 | I think the last wave in HoR is a bit overkill, like 8? elites in a row |
| 17:20.10 | Xuerian | Yeah, that's annoying. |
| 17:20.24 | arkanes | it's definitely a tank check |
| 17:20.32 | KriLL3 | naw, more of a dps check |
| 17:20.35 | Xuerian | Even with bloodlust we had 2 full mobs left on the best go. Course, it didn't help that the tank tanked at the barrier and dps didn't focus |
| 17:20.35 | arkanes | both of skill and reflexes to pick them up, and a gear check to hold them |
| 17:20.48 | Xuerian | Tank didn't have problems holding them, really. entirely a dps failure |
| 17:20.48 | VonhintenHOME` | What kills me is, I think it was the 2nd ICC 5 man, I brought my Mage in... I died 8 times |
| 17:21.04 | KriLL3 | arkanes: not that hard imo, just face the LK near barrier with the rest behind, spam swipe, mangle and maul, mark your target with skull |
| 17:21.10 | VonhintenHOME` | I killed myself with a single missile barrage arcane missile |
| 17:21.17 | VonhintenHOME` | on a mob with a reflect |
| 17:21.40 | VonhintenHOME` | They really have to stop popping 100% reflects up on mobs without warning |
| 17:21.43 | Xuerian | VonhintenHOME`: Reflect on the mobs in the 5mans makes me lol at my ele shammy friend |
| 17:21.43 | arkanes | KriLL3: tank classes without a 0 cooldown 360 high threat ability have more trouble |
| 17:21.44 | Xuerian | he's killed himself twice |
| 17:21.53 | VonhintenHOME` | It's fucking stupid |
| 17:21.56 | asmodai | KriLL3: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/156549/ |
| 17:21.58 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: haha, did that with my ice mage once, doing a shatter combo which was reflexted |
| 17:22.02 | Xuerian | I still lol'd :P |
| 17:22.17 | Xuerian | VonhintenHOME`: Pick up Power Auras and setup a reflect alert the size of your head, or something |
| 17:22.31 | VonhintenHOME` | Arcane mage spends 8 seconds casting spells to charge up arcane blast, and then can't finish it off because of mechanics |
| 17:22.49 | arkanes | you have to know whats coming, because if you burn shockwave or DND or holy wrath on the first set of aboms, you wont have it to pick up the second wave |
| 17:22.50 | VonhintenHOME` | just dumb |
| 17:23.28 | asmodai | KriLL3: Hope that helps a bit |
| 17:23.33 | arkanes | I wonder if you can purge the reflect |
| 17:23.48 | KriLL3 | asmodai: I'll filter out the ones I don't have and post it |
| 17:23.48 | VonhintenHOME` | assisting on that makes a huge different, have the DPS work on the witch doctors because they're low damage... make sure the tank picks up the aboms and turns them before spew |
| 17:23.48 | Xuerian | arkanes: I've been meaning to try that |
| 17:24.18 | arkanes | frigging crazy mob waddle does not help with the aboms, either |
| 17:24.23 | KriLL3 | asmodai: done http://pastebin.com/d5858c5a2 |
| 17:24.31 | VonhintenHOME` | they're fixing that, hopefully soon |
| 17:24.34 | KriLL3 | those are the ones we got in common |
| 17:24.34 | arkanes | yeah |
| 17:24.55 | asmodai | KriLL3: ok, so those probably should not cause issues for you |
| 17:24.57 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: I love power auras, I've added a ton of cool ones with it |
| 17:25.08 | asmodai | KriLL3: Try running with those and see if it remains stable :D |
| 17:25.10 | VonhintenHOME` | they need to go back to the old mob movement style... large window hit boxes so they mobs wouldn't readjust position as soon as you inch left or right |
| 17:25.13 | arkanes | those dragon riders in pit of saron drive me insane |
| 17:25.14 | KriLL3 | I will |
| 17:25.23 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: that's a bug |
| 17:25.25 | asmodai | KriLL3: And then add 1 addon at a time I guess? |
| 17:25.29 | arkanes | dragon just charging all over the place |
| 17:25.32 | KriLL3 | asmodai: I'll try |
| 17:25.41 | Xuerian | KriLL3: I used to on my feral druid, then a bit less on my enh shammy, and now I'm down to ES/WS/ELW missing things. War on screen clutter or something |
| 17:25.48 | KriLL3 | dragons in UK are the same |
| 17:25.52 | asmodai | KriLL3: Wonder if there's some easier way though. :S |
| 17:25.54 | VonhintenHOME` | KriLL3, yeah, it's terrible now, but it was changed from old style a while back |
| 17:25.55 | arkanes | KriLL3: well, the worsening of it since 3.3 is a bug, but it's been messier than previous this whole xpac |
| 17:26.17 | arkanes | expecially for things with unusual models like dragonkin |
| 17:26.40 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: I got a nice solution to the clutter, I got vague colored effects at the edges of the screen with low alpha, enough to register in my peripheral but not masking anything |
| 17:27.07 | Xuerian | KriLL3: That's the problem, I use it because I don't pay attention to peripheral :P |
| 17:27.10 | KriLL3 | I literally danced with the dragons in UK and finally just stood there, party agreed that some more healing wasn't bad enough to warrant that kind of effort |
| 17:27.21 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: heh |
| 17:27.24 | Xuerian | My entire focus is on my retarded party frames. Wooo playing the bars game |
| 17:27.27 | KriLL3 | well a big green field on the bottom means something to me |
| 17:27.40 | KriLL3 | means I have an instant cast ready |
| 17:27.43 | Xuerian | KriLL3: Nice idea though, I'll have to try it on NON healers |
| 17:28.01 | Xuerian | Course I'm leveling another healer right now for some retarded reason |
| 17:28.04 | KriLL3 | love instant cast after finisher |
| 17:28.10 | Xuerian | disc priest any fun? |
| 17:28.16 | SunTsu | Xuerian: the pally is my first healing character and I normally have a really good peripheral view, but playing a healer.. no way |
| 17:28.24 | KriLL3 | I solo elites in catform now because of the instant heals |
| 17:28.56 | KriLL3 | more dmg dealt and received, but I can instantly throw HT/regrowth quite often |
| 17:29.03 | KriLL3 | I solo chillmaw in catform |
| 17:29.09 | VonhintenHOME` | still breaks you into caster form though doesn't it? |
| 17:29.09 | arkanes | hmm they seem to have jumped the gun a bit on the armory features announcment |
| 17:29.26 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: yes but energy keeps regenerating while in caster |
| 17:29.45 | KriLL3 | and it only takes one GCD to get back to cat |
| 17:29.54 | KriLL3 | that's how I pvp btw |
| 17:29.55 | VonhintenHOME` | well, I was thinking more from the, holy crap you're getting hit by an elite during a GCD with only leather on |
| 17:30.03 | KriLL3 | catform is leather |
| 17:30.09 | KriLL3 | it only has a bit more dodge |
| 17:30.10 | VonhintenHOME` | but it's high dodge |
| 17:30.16 | KriLL3 | not super much more actually |
| 17:30.22 | arkanes | timing it between his swing timer isn't all that hard |
| 17:30.25 | KriLL3 | and I can time barkskin if I wish |
| 17:30.30 | KriLL3 | yeah and that |
| 17:30.33 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, can barkskin I guess |
| 17:30.48 | KriLL3 | I don't use this tactic on classes with anti healing stuff ofc |
| 17:30.51 | Xuerian | Unless you're tanking, it's easy to pop out and heal :p |
| 17:31.07 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: I've used combat res (back when it was a long cast) while tanking |
| 17:31.11 | KriLL3 | in naxx |
| 17:31.32 | Xuerian | boss? |
| 17:31.35 | KriLL3 | combat ressed the OT while MT:ing big dog that eats zombies that need to be kited |
| 17:31.38 | KriLL3 | forgot it's name |
| 17:31.49 | VonhintenHOME` | He hits like a sissy though |
| 17:31.53 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 17:32.01 | KriLL3 | well I was in iLVL 200 blues and purples |
| 17:32.20 | Xuerian | You know I'd level a druid here |
| 17:32.30 | Xuerian | But it's overpopulated with the little furry fuckers already |
| 17:32.37 | VonhintenHOME` | I really like the 10min BR now |
| 17:32.37 | KriLL3 | now I'm 245/232 and can't get into naxx 10 runs since I don't have achi =P |
| 17:33.00 | SunTsu | I need Blizzard to add new classes, soon, else I'll run out of toons to level |
| 17:33.11 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: I was feral before it was cool, I spent DKP on str/stam (that was the feral stats then) in MC |
| 17:33.14 | arkanes | our druid uses his brez just because he's too lazy to wait on the cast time |
| 17:33.37 | arkanes | feral was terrible in classic :\ |
| 17:33.39 | KriLL3 | arkanes: same, unless I foresee a need for it later |
| 17:33.44 | KriLL3 | arkanes: yes, it was. |
| 17:33.52 | VonhintenHOME` | kinda like how our shaman occassionally burns heroism to res... |
| 17:34.01 | SunTsu | arkanes: no, it just was unusual |
| 17:34.03 | Xuerian | KriLL3: I feral healed mc/zg/aq10 because i was too laggy :( |
| 17:34.07 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: well MT shouldn't be ressing normally |
| 17:34.09 | arkanes | SunTsu: no, it was terrible |
| 17:34.19 | Xuerian | I had a pretty purple dress |
| 17:34.21 | arkanes | SunTsu: if you could get full aq40 gear you could maybe just barely keep up |
| 17:34.26 | VonhintenHOME` | I mean after the fight =P |
| 17:34.30 | arkanes | certainly at the MC level it was pathetic |
| 17:34.36 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: it was horrible, our gear didn't make any kind of sense, there was quite literally nothing good for us |
| 17:34.46 | arkanes | we had a guy who did feral PVP and swore up and down that he should be able to go feral DPS in MC |
| 17:34.47 | Xuerian | IT WAS FUN THEN |
| 17:34.47 | KriLL3 | and our dps etc was laughable |
| 17:34.50 | Xuerian | Bitches got it easy now |
| 17:34.52 | SunTsu | KriLL3: PVP stuff was OK |
| 17:35.02 | arkanes | so I gave him a shot and said if he could hit 50% of the bottom rogue we'd start bringing him |
| 17:35.19 | arkanes | and he couldn't |
| 17:35.43 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: well yes we were more mobile than anyone else and with decent survivability, but we hit for nothing, he had to tire our enemies into sleeping, then kill em |
| 17:36.08 | arkanes | feral shone as flag runners in wsg |
| 17:36.14 | arkanes | so you saw a lot of PVP ferals |
| 17:36.15 | KriLL3 | trust me, I was there, I couldn't take anything non squishy without running away multiple times |
| 17:36.20 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 17:36.55 | KriLL3 | it's still more or less the same, though it's ofc a lot more complicated now, a lot more to keep track of, and we actually deal dmg now |
| 17:37.15 | KriLL3 | though it's not very good sustained imo, nice burst, but not sustained |
| 17:37.35 | KriLL3 | that's why I tend to avoid healers in nice pvp gear if I don't see a point in interrupting em |
| 17:37.41 | KriLL3 | can't take em |
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| 17:38.24 | KriLL3 | though I guess ferals are well suited for burst, we can burst, run away / tank in bear, then burst again |
| 17:39.04 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: since the recent change to the posting mechanism, QA often complains that I closed the AH frame before it could complete posting... yet, it had already completed |
| 17:39.04 | Aeyan | KriLL3: http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/706/706390p1.html |
| 17:39.07 | KriLL3 | properly played a feral can wreak havoc in pvp |
| 17:39.34 | KriLL3 | Aeyan: yes, accurate portrayal of my early days |
| 17:39.43 | Xuerian | Those were the fun days :( |
| 17:39.52 | KriLL3 | naw... |
| 17:39.57 | KriLL3 | much more fun to raep |
| 17:40.21 | KriLL3 | I killed a retri in really nice gear yesterday, I had to stop and think about what I just did then, I killed a paladin |
| 17:40.34 | Shadowed | yea I know |
| 17:40.39 | Shadowed | too lazy to find out what the bug is right now |
| 17:40.55 | Xuerian | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4NbR6ZP4IM |
| 17:41.06 | KriLL3 | the time paladins could use wings + bubble & had bugged scaling is still fresh in my mind, back then a paladin in blues could paste my fully pvp geared feral in seconds |
| 17:42.17 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: not very accurate, you also had to spam HT and jump if your target hadn't received dmg during you cast, then repeat |
| 17:42.28 | KriLL3 | that's my early days of raiding |
| 17:42.44 | Xuerian | KriLL3: It was accurate for me, when I wasn't spamming ht like you mentioned :p |
| 17:42.48 | KriLL3 | click *jump* click *jump* click click *jump* |
| 17:42.50 | Xuerian | more fun to remember this way anyway |
| 17:43.03 | Xuerian | also it was hard for me to cancel on dialup =| |
| 17:43.08 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 17:43.20 | KriLL3 | I had 0.5Mbit DSL |
| 17:43.32 | KriLL3 | and a 9800pro |
| 17:46.53 | Xuerian | Priest seems like it's going to be really boring =| |
| 17:46.59 | Xuerian | This shit get any more fun past 40? |
| 17:47.28 | KriLL3 | sorry no idea, my highest priest is 20~ |
| 17:47.32 | KriLL3 | couldn't take it anymore |
| 17:48.22 | KriLL3 | I've leveled most classes to endgame, though which endgame differs... |
| 17:48.33 | KriLL3 | I got a 60 rogue, a 70 warrior, etc |
| 17:48.35 | Xuerian | Problem is my 60s mage, pally, and enh shammy as well as my 70 lock are all on a different server, or I'd play one of them <_< |
| 17:48.54 | KriLL3 | all of mine are on 2 servers, the one I played alliance on and the one I play horde on |
| 17:49.02 | KriLL3 | too cheap to move em |
| 17:49.23 | KriLL3 | oh and ofc a couple of 30~ here and there when friends set of to new and better horizons et |
| 17:49.26 | KriLL3 | *etc |
| 17:50.23 | Xuerian | I almost want to go lock again so I can threat race the tanks =\ |
| 17:50.31 | Xuerian | Or is that even theoretically possible anymore? |
| 17:50.32 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 17:50.34 | Xuerian | Could do it in bc =\ |
| 17:50.40 | KriLL3 | no it's not if the tank is decent |
| 17:50.46 | Xuerian | bah |
| 17:50.47 | Xuerian | that's no fun |
| 17:50.58 | KriLL3 | though somehow they still manage to do it, usually by hitting unmarked mobs etc |
| 17:51.08 | KriLL3 | and hitting em before I do |
| 17:51.13 | Xuerian | real locks outaggro on main target without searing |
| 17:51.20 | KriLL3 | though as my gear improves that's getting harder |
| 17:51.29 | KriLL3 | heh I remember that in BWL |
| 17:51.33 | Xuerian | That's the only reason it was fun to play a lock |
| 17:51.35 | KriLL3 | neffy on 3% |
| 17:51.43 | Xuerian | The screaming when you went 2% too far |
| 17:51.43 | KriLL3 | warlock goes "omg omg we're gonna do it" in chat |
| 17:51.49 | KriLL3 | pulls aggro, wipes us |
| 17:51.52 | Xuerian | rofl |
| 17:52.07 | SunTsu | Xuerian: I found priest even more boring after hitting lvl40, because you have less spells to use as soon as you can use shadow form |
| 17:52.07 | KriLL3 | was gonna be our first kill as well |
| 17:52.20 | KriLL3 | he started spamming shadow bolt |
| 17:52.23 | Xuerian | SunTsu: I wasn't going to go shadow, I didn't like the rotation |
| 17:52.37 | KriLL3 | isn't shadow the only option for leveling? |
| 17:52.42 | Xuerian | disc apparently |
| 17:52.46 | KriLL3 | hmm |
| 17:52.59 | Xuerian | I assume that involves a judicious amount of wanding, though |
| 17:53.10 | KriLL3 | only disc priests I meet are in PvP, and there they're just dotting while healing |
| 17:53.39 | KriLL3 | didn't peg them as dps:ers |
| 17:53.40 | Xuerian | maybe i'll just go get a enh set |
| 17:53.47 | Xuerian | i don't feel like rolling a actual enh again |
| 17:54.19 | KriLL3 | enhancement shaman you mean? |
| 17:54.23 | Xuerian | yeah |
| 17:54.33 | KriLL3 | aka "windfury lolz" |
| 17:54.43 | Xuerian | pretty much |
| 17:55.15 | KriLL3 | easiest class in the game for me to kill, except when they got their wolves out, then I just shift bear and wait for them to disappear |
| 17:55.25 | Xuerian | We thrive on being ignored |
| 17:55.34 | Xuerian | Pallies, warriors, and priests are especially crunchy |
| 17:55.42 | KriLL3 | I remember the days when an enchantment shaman could kill you dead with one WF proc |
| 17:55.53 | Xuerian | holds a moment of silence. |
| 17:56.02 | SunTsu | KriLL3: you mean shaman enchanter? ;) |
| 17:56.06 | KriLL3 | now I merrily skip around them in catform, dealing a lot more dmg and taking a lot less |
| 17:56.19 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: *enhancement |
| 17:56.23 | KriLL3 | sorry |
| 17:56.51 | Xuerian | KriLL3: It's stupid to see how many enh go around without a good shield on hand |
| 17:56.54 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: I think the main thing is that I can stun their heals to a certain degree, but they can't stop my instant after finisher HT/regrowth |
| 17:57.17 | Xuerian | KriLL3: Enh get instant heals too |
| 17:57.20 | Xuerian | and we can purge your regrowth |
| 17:57.31 | asmodai | Xuerian: :D |
| 17:57.31 | asmodai | enh++ |
| 17:57.38 | Xuerian | FUCKING PALADINS HOWEVER |
| 17:57.40 | KriLL3 | btw back in vanilla I did a test my catform, I could do anything I wished, vs a enhancement shaman, in ghostwolf, both in similar pvp gear |
| 17:57.43 | KriLL3 | guess who won? |
| 17:57.44 | Xuerian | "LOL OUR BUFFS CAN'T BE PURGED LOLOLOL" |
| 17:58.00 | Fisker | fu KriLL3 |
| 17:58.01 | Xuerian | fucking crybabies ran to bliz and bitched <_< |
| 17:58.03 | Fisker | ffffffffffffuuuuu |
| 17:58.05 | KriLL3 | Xuerian: well vs a shaman I don't use regrowth, I use HT and lifebloom |
| 17:58.08 | KriLL3 | Fisker: ? |
| 17:58.17 | Xuerian | KriLL3: Then I put my shield on and lol |
| 17:58.19 | asmodai | Xuerian: Paladins are our nemesis :( |
| 17:58.21 | Fisker | crash! |
| 17:58.28 | KriLL3 | Fisker: oh, fun! |
| 17:58.40 | VonhintenHOME` | Anyone know if the dungeon finder builds groups with a pre-requisite of at least one "Leader" ? |
| 17:58.51 | Xuerian | VonhintenHOME`: I don't think so, I didn't check leader and I was set at one |
| 17:58.57 | VonhintenHOME` | Seems like the system is slow to put together groups sometimes, wonder if it's trying to find a leader |
| 17:59.04 | asmodai | Xuerian: I found enh to be a pretty fun spec in general. |
| 17:59.07 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: I don't think anybody checks leader |
| 17:59.10 | KriLL3 | asmodai: I don't like paladins, they by themselves aren't very dangerous, they don't hit you for insane amounts anymore, but their stupid judgement of justice is the only thing ingame that can kite a druid |
| 17:59.17 | Xuerian | asmodai: I have a 60 av enh for a reason, lol |
| 17:59.30 | Xuerian | Only thing that beats it for kicks is spamming seed on my lock in av |
| 17:59.43 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: I think leader is random, it's slow because people don't hit accept |
| 18:00.06 | asmodai | So no more overpowered retadins? |
| 18:00.11 | Repo | 10basic-minimap: 03funkydude * r95 / (2 files in 1 directory): v1.72: Add option to turn off raid difficulty icon. |
| 18:00.16 | KriLL3 | and I get a group the same second as I push the button usually, but I'm tank |
| 18:00.29 | VonhintenHOME` | When I say "Leader" I don't mean the person who gets the group lead |
| 18:00.35 | KriLL3 | asmodai: well they can still heal to full hp and mana (in bgs) and their bubbles are annoying |
| 18:00.40 | VonhintenHOME` | I mean the Leader checkbox that states that you can help people get through the instance |
| 18:00.52 | KriLL3 | is that box still there? |
| 18:01.04 | VonhintenHOME` | Yep, and it actually is supposed to mean something |
| 18:01.22 | KriLL3 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/3p3/nds2.jpg where? |
| 18:01.23 | VonhintenHOME` | Which is why I'm wondering if the system is slowing down because there aren't enough people checking Leader |
| 18:01.33 | KriLL3 | oh the crown |
| 18:01.38 | VonhintenHOME` | The crown, yep |
| 18:01.40 | KriLL3 | duh |
| 18:01.58 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: I don't think so |
| 18:02.04 | KriLL3 | yeah I haven't ticked that, didn't know what it was, guess my subconscious said it was role number 4, king |
| 18:02.10 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 18:02.32 | KriLL3 | my eyes saw tank and dps and I ticked those |
| 18:02.35 | Repo | 10basic-minimap: 03funkydude 04v1.72 * r96 : Tagging as v1.72 |
| 18:02.37 | KriLL3 | didn't bother with the rest |
| 18:02.44 | asmodai | KriLL3: True :( |
| 18:03.08 | KriLL3 | asmodai: though I love throwing cyclone on them or their friends when they do physical only bubble |
| 18:03.18 | asmodai | KriLL3: Then again, with my maelstrom fully charged I can get the instaheals, and popping shaman rage gets mana back like crazy too :) |
| 18:03.19 | arkanes | interestingly, on my pally it auto-checked leader for me |
| 18:03.21 | VonhintenHOME` | SunTsu, well, if it's not used to build groups, what's it used for? |
| 18:03.22 | KriLL3 | I got POWA set up to show which bubble they're using |
| 18:03.53 | KriLL3 | arkanes: might have been because that's what you had in the old tool, new tool had tanking and dps set same as old one |
| 18:04.12 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: I think it might be used, but as an additional criteria, I think |
| 18:04.26 | arkanes | it detects your role from your specs |
| 18:04.43 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: like "Let's not get two leaders into a single group if there are more groups to be build" |
| 18:04.50 | arkanes | I'm actually not sure if I ever used the old tool on my pally |
| 18:04.54 | arkanes | I suppose I mighthave |
| 18:05.08 | KriLL3 | well I got a [Diamond-tipped Cane] I guess I could be king, or a pimp... |
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| 18:06.45 | kadrahil | ... |
| 18:07.23 | asmodai | pimp |
| 18:07.46 | KriLL3 | too bad I don't have a zevra skin hat on this toon |
| 18:07.51 | KriLL3 | still got it on my old feral druid main |
| 18:08.47 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe * r126 GridStatusHots.lua: fixed some stupid mistakes that were caused by stupidity |
| 18:09.02 | Gnarfoz | !api summon |
| 18:09.02 | lua_bot | Found 10 possible results for 'summon': CancelSummon, CANCEL_SUMMON, GetSummonConfirmTimeLeft, CONFIRM_SUMMON, SummonFriend, GetSummonFriendCooldown, GetSummonConfirmAreaName, GetSummonConfirmSummoner, ConfirmSummon, CanSummonFriend |
| 18:11.28 | KriLL3 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25682 <-- that's the item, best head, ever. |
| 18:12.02 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe * r127 GridStatusHots.toc: toc-update |
| 18:12.06 | KriLL3 | that + [Diamond-tipped Cane] + [Epic Purple Shirt] and you're in business |
| 18:13.42 | KriLL3 | no updates to anything in client all day btw, something broken again or are there literally no updates today? |
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| 18:22.00 | asmodai | oi kozou, dou iu koto ka? |
| 18:25.26 | Aeyan | Nah, something is broken again. |
| 18:25.49 | KriLL3 | Aeyan: fix it, kthx. |
| 18:25.51 | KriLL3 | ;) |
| 18:25.57 | Stanzilla | kick Kaelten |
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| 18:32.07 | KriLL3 | is there a way to marry the nice looking blizzard maps of instances with the information in atlas? |
| 18:32.26 | KriLL3 | I tried manually adding handynotes for the bosses but that didn't work |
| 18:46.43 | Stanzilla | a friend just got into a random group |
| 18:46.48 | Stanzilla | and the tank has ressurection sickness |
| 18:46.49 | Stanzilla | :X |
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| 18:47.25 | KriLL3 | .. |
| 18:47.30 | Shefki | Stanzilla: wow you'd think Blizzard would have thought of that. |
| 18:47.41 | Stanzilla | yeah really |
| 18:48.37 | nevcairiel | did you until it happend? :P |
| 18:49.43 | Shefki | No but I'm not Blizzard. |
| 18:50.39 | Fisker | naw Shefki |
| 18:50.44 | Fisker | people would just abuse it |
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| 18:51.00 | Yssaril | KriLL3: http://www.wowace.com/addons/yssbossloot/ :) |
| 18:51.16 | Fisker | it sucks and you should feel bad |
| 18:52.44 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: thx, I'll try it |
| 18:53.22 | Yssaril | KriLL3: very much a work in progress atm feedback greatly appreciated |
| 18:53.24 | Shadowed | Everyone should be on 3.3 by now, except for china? |
| 18:53.55 | Yssaril | didn't china ban wow or something a while back? |
| 18:53.55 | koaschten | think so Yes |
| 18:53.58 | Shadowed | good |
| 18:54.24 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: does some govt agency there check the new content for any references to democracy, taiwan being a nation etc? or do they just add wow to the firewall if that's in a patch and wait for blizz to remove it= |
| 18:55.45 | KriLL3 | that nation is bonkers, they think they can control the minds of their people by wielding a big black-out marker |
| 18:55.47 | koaschten | anyone else having issues on lowend hardware with 3.3? i cant get my centrino1 Notebook with discrete gfx to logon |
| 18:56.11 | arkanes | apparently the problem has something to do with undead |
| 18:56.36 | arkanes | I guess skeletons are like super-offensive in chinese culture |
| 18:56.48 | KriLL3 | didn't some nation ban wow because it had drugs as a reward, or incentive in like one quest |
| 18:56.59 | koaschten | yeah any bone displayed apparently is an offense |
| 18:57.15 | Shadowed | yea that was the EU |
| 18:57.25 | Shadowed | they banned the pink elephent stuff |
| 18:57.47 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: what actual changes did that impart to the game? |
| 18:58.22 | koaschten | we don't get the Pink elekk Quest during brewfest anymore |
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| 18:59.40 | KriLL3 | eh? that quest seems mild enough |
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| 18:59.58 | KriLL3 | is it that you need to drink pretend alcohol to complete it? |
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| 19:01.39 | Shadowed | yea |
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| 19:15.42 | MysticalOS | anyone play horde have kill message for gunship battle? |
| 19:16.09 | p3lim | I have this sting (global) LOOT_ROLL_WON, that I want to change |
| 19:16.35 | p3lim | from '%s won: %s' into '(.*) won: (.+)' |
| 19:17.03 | p3lim | lua> string.gsub('%s won: %s', '%%s', '(.*)') |
| 19:17.03 | lua_bot | p3lim: (.*) won: (.*), 2 |
| 19:17.06 | p3lim | easy to change one |
| 19:17.33 | p3lim | but the other |
| 19:17.36 | Fisker | MysticalOS for what? |
| 19:18.17 | p3lim | lua> string.gsub('%s won: %s', '%%s', '(.*)', 1) |
| 19:18.18 | lua_bot | p3lim: (.*) won: %s, 1 |
| 19:18.22 | p3lim | awesome.. :) |
| 19:18.36 | Fisker | slaps MysticalOS around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:19.21 | MysticalOS | trying to finish off pull/kill detection for DBM have alliance pull kill and horde pull but not kill |
| 19:19.23 | p3lim | lua> string.gsub(string.gsub('%s won: %s', '%%s', '(.*)', 1), '%%s', '(.+)') |
| 19:19.24 | lua_bot | p3lim: (.*) won: (.+), 1 |
| 19:19.27 | MysticalOS | for gunship battle |
| 19:19.29 | p3lim | victory! |
| 19:20.38 | koaschten | hmpf anyone got an idea Why i can log into any Char i want but not the One i recently renamed? |
| 19:21.04 | Fisker | ah yeah |
| 19:21.10 | Fisker | just wanted to know it was for DBM |
| 19:21.13 | Fisker | sorry can't help yo |
| 19:21.16 | Fisker | you* |
| 19:23.20 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.0.2-15-g2bbb321 / (7 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 19:23.22 | Repo | 2bbb321: Added two new tags to mimic one of the XPerl raid type of features, these only work for raids. |
| 19:23.23 | Repo | 50ddf56: Fixed a few options missing localization keys (oops!) |
| 19:23.24 | Repo | 5dca6cb: Removed 3.3 checks, these were pretty much all just hiding the boss units anyway |
| 19:23.25 | Repo | a99c0d9: Tweaked raid frame defaults, power bar height reduced, raid frame height reduced, removed [group] tag and [curpp] tag, now using [missinghp] tag instead |
| 19:23.32 | Shadowed | How's curse client work again, people can flag to pull alpha/beta versions, or they can flag to pull either beta or alpha? |
| 19:23.53 | nevcairiel | they can set it to either release, beta or alpha |
| 19:23.56 | Fisker | either alpha or beta |
| 19:23.57 | Shadowed | kk |
| 19:24.00 | nevcairiel | either global, or per addon |
| 19:24.36 | Fisker | as i understood it it may also automatically change to beta if the release is x weeks old? |
| 19:25.08 | nevcairiel | never heard of that |
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| 19:37.36 | Hirsute | What's the best way of reporting a comment linking to programs that violate the ToS in a thread on Curse? |
| 19:38.09 | robotusch | The keylogger spam? |
| 19:38.45 | robotusch | I've noticed a few mining/fishing 'bots' advertised there recently :< |
| 19:38.54 | Gagorian | a few? |
| 19:39.06 | Gagorian | That's been going on for months, I've deleted tens :C |
| 19:39.15 | robotusch | eh, I don't read the comments much, just the change log :P |
| 19:39.28 | Gagorian | Every time I delete the comment.. there's a new one in a day or two |
| 19:39.50 | robotusch | incidently, one thing I'm slightly curious about regarding the changelog |
| 19:40.07 | Repo | 10fishing-ace: 03Sutorix * r97 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 19:40.09 | Repo | FishingAce: Update TOC for 3.3, remove non-existent CVar, minor fishing lib update |
| 19:40.43 | robotusch | When it's stuff like Changed paths: A /tags/v4.0.2.0 (from /trunk:418) Tagging as v4.0.2.0 - what exactly has been updated? :3 |
| 19:41.20 | Balreign_ | the tag? |
| 19:42.09 | robotusch | I got that far, but why update the tag at random? |
| 19:43.53 | robotusch | Or is it because the addon author decided that there's been enough updates/revisions to the previous version number, that it warrants a new one? |
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| 19:44.19 | Gagorian | Well I for instance tag versions I release as betas |
| 19:44.32 | Gagorian | Versions I dont tag are alphas |
| 19:44.54 | robotusch | fwiw I'm looking at the BadBou changelog |
| 19:45.14 | robotusch | BadBoy* |
| 19:48.16 | Repo | 10fishing-ace: 03Sutorix 041.6-RELEASE * r98 : Tagging as 1.6-RELEASE |
| 19:49.19 | Repo | 10fishing-ace: 03Sutorix 040.45h-RELEASE * r99 : Tagging as 0.45h-RELEASE |
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| 20:06.39 | kandarz | Anyone have some time to help me with a sorting function? http://paste.wowace.com/1534/ |
| 20:07.13 | vhaarr | what the hell |
| 20:07.52 | vhaarr | kandarz: start by explaining what your input is and how you want it sorted |
| 20:07.59 | ulic | so when I'm checking in via linux command line, anyone know how I can add line breaks in my comment? |
| 20:08.08 | kandarz | are you familiar with EveryQuest? |
| 20:08.24 | vhaarr | ulic: just don't provide the -m option and you will get your $EDITOR opened |
| 20:08.29 | vhaarr | kandarz: not at all |
| 20:08.32 | ulic | ah, cool |
| 20:08.35 | ulic | thanks |
| 20:09.38 | kandarz | http://paste.wowace.com/1535/ has some sample data, basically a huge table of quest information |
| 20:09.50 | kandarz | I want to let the user define how it is sorted |
| 20:10.36 | kandarz | hence the huge mess of me trying to figure out to make that possible, the current method is at the bottom of the SortTable() function (the large comment) |
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| 20:10.46 | ulic | uhoh, I crashed repo :P |
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| 20:11.17 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic * r13 / (3 files in 1 directory): - Fixed tooltips |
| 20:11.18 | Repo | - Added localization |
| 20:11.19 | Repo | - Cleaned up dropdown menu |
| 20:11.28 | Stanzilla | what's the difference between d3d9 and d3d9ex for wow? |
| 20:12.07 | nevcairiel | ex is the new engine |
| 20:12.25 | Stanzilla | and default? |
| 20:12.30 | nevcairiel | it was on ptr |
| 20:12.34 | nevcairiel | doesnt seem to be on live |
| 20:14.10 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink 071.1.0 * r206 Rules (7 files in 1 directory): Display module development |
| 20:14.29 | Gagorian | kandarz: Well that's too complex to get the hang of without knowing anything about what and how it needs to be sorted. What are you having problems with? |
| 20:15.04 | asmodai | nevcairiel: mmm, there was a mention for that, wasn't there? |
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| 20:16.17 | nevcairiel | ex stands for expiremental |
| 20:16.20 | nevcairiel | use it if you want :d |
| 20:16.51 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic * r14 Locales.lua: Fix localization issue |
| 20:16.58 | Gnarfoz | different/better texture management |
| 20:17.02 | Gnarfoz | @ d3d9ex |
| 20:17.50 | asmodai | nevcairiel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21723843232&sid=1 |
| 20:18.47 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc, ulic: any idea how this black frame comes to be? it's kind of annoying ;| http://local.geektour.de/broker_lfd.jpg |
| 20:19.32 | Balreign | looks like an unreleased tooltip |
| 20:19.38 | Balreign | or something |
| 20:23.26 | Repo | 10feignresistmessage: 03Allara * r10 FeignResistMessage.toc: - TOC to 3.3 |
| 20:23.55 | Repo | 10feignresistmessage: 03Allara 04r10-release * r11 : Tagging as r10-release |
| 20:24.23 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic * r15 Locales.lua: Attempt 2 at fixing localizations |
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| 20:24.30 | ulic | Gnarfoz: yep, it's fix |
| 20:24.46 | Repo | 10hits-mode: 03Allara * r74 / (2 files in 1 directory): - TOC to 3.3 |
| 20:24.48 | ulic | any of those alphas will fix it |
| 20:24.58 | Repo | 10hits-mode: 03Allara 04r74-release * r75 : Tagging as r74-release |
| 20:25.07 | ulic | I think I'll put a full release if I can get the darn localizations to work right |
| 20:25.46 | Repo | 10timetooom: 03Allara * r15 / (2 files in 1 directory): - TOC to 3.3 |
| 20:25.59 | Repo | 10timetooom: 03Allara 04r15-release * r16 : Tagging as r15-release |
| 20:26.21 | Gagorian | hmm.. UnitAura returns spellID now? |
| 20:26.55 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic * r16 Locales.lua: 3rd times the charm |
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| 20:31.41 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic * r17 Libs/ (2 files in 2 directories): Fix LDB directory name |
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| 20:39.51 | eadthem | dose the http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/getting-started/ guide nolonger work? |
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| 20:41.11 | Nechckn | what do you mean, eadthem? It should, except you would need to up the Interface to 30300 and such |
| 20:41.54 | Gnarfoz | ulic: oh, awesome. didn't see that commit :) |
| 20:42.18 | jpmorgan | any pointers to new sparky's workshop, or some way to fix this bug output everytime login? |
| 20:43.15 | eadthem | trying to folow it and make a blank addon results in ..\AddOns\rings\core.lua line 1: Usage: EmbedLibrary(addon, libname, silent, offset): 'libname' - Library 'AceGUI-3.0' is not Embed capable |
| 20:43.45 | eadthem | line1 is rings = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("rings", "AceGUI-3.0") |
| 20:44.14 | ulic | I think it's ready to tag as release, only one small issue left, and it's not that big a deal. |
| 20:45.06 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic 04v1.0 * r18 : Tagging as v1.0 |
| 20:45.53 | Antiarc | eadthem: Don't add AceGUI-3.0. You can't embed it. |
| 20:45.58 | Antiarc | Any AceGUI work has to be called directly |
| 20:47.19 | eadthem | ok removeing that now causea trip on local frame = AceGUI:Create("Frame") line 3 with messsage ..\AddOns\rings\core.lua line 3: attempt to index global 'AceGUI' (a nil value) |
| 20:47.33 | Torhal | ... |
| 20:47.48 | Torhal | local AceGUI = LibStub("AceGUI-3.0") |
| 20:47.48 | Torhal | Fixed. |
| 20:47.54 | Antiarc | What Torhal said. |
| 20:48.33 | eadthem | ok perhaps that shuld be added to http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/ace-gui-3-0-tutorial/ then |
| 20:49.20 | Gagorian | It says "In all examples and code snippets in this tutorial, we'll assume that you have a local AceGUI variable containing the reference to an AceGUI-3.0 instance, as returned by LibStub." right in the beginning |
| 20:49.41 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 20:49.43 | eadthem | ya but nowhere dose it say how to do that |
| 20:49.44 | vhaarr | a,s |
| 20:49.47 | Torhal | ... |
| 20:49.50 | vhaarr | :p |
| 20:49.56 | Torhal | It assumes you have basic knowledge of Lua |
| 20:50.13 | Torhal | Which you should have if you're even fucking with libraries to begin with. |
| 20:50.56 | Antiarc | What are you wanting to do? AceGUI may be overkill for you. |
| 20:51.13 | Antiarc | It's nice for specific stuff, but you don't want to use it for most GUIs. Mostly just options dialogs and the like. |
| 20:51.15 | Torhal | I know it is overkill, considering the last few lines of the conversation. |
| 20:51.29 | Antiarc | I only ask because I made the same mistake in my nubbish days :P |
| 20:51.32 | eadthem | tbh my main goal is to start programming addons |
| 20:51.46 | Torhal | You're starting VERY ambitious. |
| 20:51.48 | Antiarc | eadthem: You probably don't need to mess with AceGUI at all early on. :) |
| 20:51.56 | eidolarr | or any libraries |
| 20:51.58 | Antiarc | What are you wanting to do with this addon? |
| 20:52.14 | eadthem | for now i wanted to figure out how to draw simple shapes for a gui |
| 20:52.28 | Torhal | You also want to familiarize yourself with, and keep a bookmark to for reference, Programming In Lua - http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 20:52.29 | Antiarc | Drawing simple shapes isn't terribly easy, honestly. |
| 20:52.41 | Antiarc | Most people just have custom shapes in textures, and then display them. |
| 20:53.03 | Antiarc | Can you describe what you're wanting to do more fully? It might help us point you in the right direction. |
| 20:53.09 | Antiarc | Like, describe what your addon will do and look like |
| 20:53.17 | Torhal | To clarify: Drawing shapes is terribly difficult. |
| 20:53.18 | eadthem | ive been thrue wowwiki and a cuple of other tutorials im assuming at this point there are no functions to draw primitives like one might be use to doing with directDraw or opengl |
| 20:53.24 | Antiarc | Correct. |
| 20:53.41 | Antiarc | It involves a lot of hackery and black magic to do so in WoW :P |
| 20:54.00 | Belazor | And a sacrifice to the FSM |
| 20:54.27 | eadthem | wow i was expecting it to be serveral times easer to do that than to draw a textured object |
| 20:55.26 | Antiarc | There are lots of things that are easy with the WoW UI, but drawing primatives is not one of them. |
| 20:55.37 | Antiarc | (That's why you see so little of it, to be honest) |
| 20:56.55 | eadthem | ok heres the full pitch im finishing laying out my gui the way i like it i would like to have this kind of ham bars http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw1720.jpg but that addon hasnt been actively worked on sense beta |
| 20:57.16 | Antiarc | I was afraid you were doing something like that :) |
| 20:57.18 | eadthem | realising for me to write it over agan would prob take alot of time im still interested in doing it |
| 20:57.36 | Antiarc | You're going to have to get into SetTexCoord with rotation matrices. |
| 20:57.45 | Antiarc | Which is a BITCH, but doable if you're stubborn enough. |
| 20:58.03 | asmodai | Anti's awake :) |
| 20:58.10 | Antiarc | I am indeed. Someone need me earlier? |
| 20:58.22 | Antiarc | eadthem: Lemme mock this up for you |
| 20:58.26 | eadthem | ive got a ton of c/c++ exeperence mysql php autoit ASM and a little lua is there a guide you could recommend ? |
| 20:58.48 | Antiarc | The PIL is a great start. Other than that, wowwiki, wowprogramming, and looking at other addons. |
| 20:58.59 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.10 | Torhal | Seriously. Lua has shit in it that C/C++ folk don't expect |
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| 20:59.58 | Antiarc | It does throw you for a loop with some stuff early on. |
| 21:00.08 | Antiarc | eadthem: You can fake it pretty easily if you don't mind ugly "ends" |
| 21:01.34 | eadthem | well ive alredy patched a cuple addons to work in 3.3 moveanywhere! specificaly i had thougt about doing the same with statrings but it seams like nobody who writes addons knows how to comment code |
| 21:01.34 | Antiarc | http://imgur.com/xpvAI.png |
| 21:01.47 | Antiarc | Lua's pretty self-documenting if you write it right :P |
| 21:01.58 | Antiarc | Basically, the white outlines would be your frame bounds |
| 21:02.08 | Mikk | everything except machine code is supposedly self documenting |
| 21:02.19 | Mikk | except for one thing |
| 21:02.24 | Antiarc | In the right image, you make the frame containing the texture smaller, and then settexcoord on the texture so it's something like 0..1 width and 0.2..1 height |
| 21:02.26 | Mikk | "self documenting" is absolutely bogus :P |
| 21:02.34 | Antiarc | Mikk: I disagree :P |
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| 21:02.51 | eadthem | so what they did is draw just a ring and expand the frame down to adjust the fullness of the bar |
| 21:02.53 | Mikk | so how does code tell you WHY it is written that way? =P |
| 21:02.55 | Antiarc | Proper factoring serves as very clear communication of the intent of code |
| 21:03.09 | Mikk | yeah you come back and say that with a 1 mil line projet |
| 21:03.17 | Antiarc | eadthem: And adjust the tex coords of the texture. Otherwise, you'll get the full texture "squashed" into that smaller space. |
| 21:03.32 | eadthem | in my experence thers no such thing as self documentation i generaly have more documentation than code in most things i write |
| 21:03.41 | Mikk | and then you get to little quirky lines of code where you look at it a year later and go |
| 21:03.46 | Mikk | "why the hell is it doing it that oddly" |
| 21:03.48 | Mikk | so you rewrite |
| 21:03.57 | Mikk | and oops you forgot about aunt tilda's bug report from two years ago |
| 21:03.57 | Antiarc | So you refactor! |
| 21:04.00 | Mikk | that you just re-fuckedup |
| 21:04.11 | Antiarc | Bugs/special cases/oh hey, don't forget this are worthy of comments |
| 21:04.12 | Mikk | and if you'd have commented it or documented it in a header |
| 21:04.14 | Mikk | oops! |
| 21:04.21 | Antiarc | foo:DoStuff() -- do stuff |
| 21:04.22 | Antiarc | Is not :P |
| 21:04.31 | Mikk | well yeah |
| 21:04.35 | Torhal | Mikk: I'll be changing all of your projects to git tomorrow since I have the day off. |
| 21:04.36 | Shot | And then before you know it, you're talking about version 8 of your operating system just a couple of months after the launch of version 7! |
| 21:04.42 | Mikk | rewriting what a function does in english is pretty useless |
| 21:04.50 | Mikk | it's the why:s and when:s that you want to capture |
| 21:04.59 | Mikk | Torhal: FU! |
| 21:05.03 | eadthem | ok so sense stuff is drawn from bottom left in wow every pixle you rase the bottom of the box you must also rase the position of the box and you must also lower the image position by 1 pixle |
| 21:05.03 | Torhal | BWAH! |
| 21:05.10 | eadthem | right? |
| 21:05.40 | Antiarc | Mikk: That's what I mean. If you factor properly, the function naming documents the code itself |
| 21:05.52 | Mikk | Yeah ok we agree there |
| 21:06.01 | Antiarc | There's a factoring ideal in which each function does one atomic thing |
| 21:06.18 | Mikk | Except if performance is an issue you can't do that :( |
| 21:06.29 | Antiarc | Right. When you have to break that ideal for performance, you comment |
| 21:06.41 | Antiarc | But in general, commenting for the sake of commenting just clutters up the code. |
| 21:06.55 | Mikk | Yeah you want the quirks and why:s |
| 21:06.59 | Mikk | Not the how:s |
| 21:07.08 | Torhal | Antiarc: I hate shit like "-- Scan over the table and do this." |
| 21:07.19 | Torhal | Right before "for k, v in pairs(stuff) do" |
| 21:07.19 | Antiarc | Mikk: Exactly. I think we agree. :) |
| 21:07.23 | Antiarc | Torhal: Right. |
| 21:07.30 | Zyn | "-- I like ham :D" |
| 21:07.32 | Antiarc | Java CS courses are horrible for this |
| 21:07.40 | Antiarc | Being judged on your comment:code ratio is bogus |
| 21:07.40 | Mikk | a = b; -- assign b to a |
| 21:07.48 | Torhal | Mikk: So non-obvious! |
| 21:07.50 | Mikk | ! |
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| 21:08.06 | Antiarc | I actually had TAs dock me for not doing enough commenting, and they wanted "a = b -- assign a to b" type comments |
| 21:08.10 | Shefki | Antiarc is bad, he comments his toilet paper. |
| 21:08.24 | Mikk | "Reason: Because unwiped asses are nasty." |
| 21:08.27 | Antiarc | Shefki: Toilet paper is great...FOR ME TO POOP ON |
| 21:08.35 | Mikk | TPs An |
| 21:08.37 | Mikk | ... |
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| 21:08.44 | Mikk | gtfo tabcomplete ansik! |
| 21:09.26 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/prefix-hunter/. Prefix Hunter. yoshimo (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 21:09.37 | eidolarr | Antiarc: once I had a TA dock me points with the comment, "any set of 4 lines or more should be its own function" |
| 21:09.56 | Torhal | ... |
| 21:09.57 | Torhal | WTF? |
| 21:10.05 | Shadowed | what |
| 21:10.09 | eadthem | ok so is it possable to make a ring class for the helth and mana halves and then make multiple ring objects 1 for you and 1 for each group member? |
| 21:10.11 | Torhal | Not if it's only ever used ONCE! |
| 21:10.31 | Antiarc | eidolarr: My rule of thumb is that if a function doesn't fit on the screen, it's too big, but it's a rule of thumb, not a rule carved in stone :P |
| 21:10.40 | eidolarr | the professor reprimanded them for being too cavalier and gave everyone like 20% points |
| 21:10.54 | Antiarc | eadthem: Sorta, yes. Lua doesn't have true objects, but you can fake it with tables and metatables. |
| 21:11.10 | Antiarc | That's advanced for just starting Lua, though. |
| 21:11.13 | Torhal | eidolarr: That isn't cavalier - that's fucking retarded. Code that is only ever used in one place shouldn't ever be a function. |
| 21:11.30 | Shadowed | Antiarc: What about configuration |
| 21:11.37 | Antiarc | Shadowed: what? |
| 21:11.44 | Shadowed | I think I have about 2000 lines of configuration code in one function! |
| 21:11.56 | Torhal | Shadowed: That's initialization shit, special case. |
| 21:11.59 | Antiarc | Shadowed: most of that is config tables, I'll wager :P |
| 21:12.06 | Shadowed | I'm not sure anymore |
| 21:12.11 | Torhal | But saying anything that's 4 lines or more should be a function is retarded. |
| 21:12.14 | Shadowed | yes |
| 21:12.27 | eidolarr | eidolarr: I think they had just read one of those design paradigm books by an academic who's never worked a major project, where everything is shoehorned into a nice abstraction |
| 21:12.40 | eidolarr | Torhal: that was for you >.> |
| 21:12.42 | Shadowed | still |
| 21:12.49 | Antiarc | eidolarr: We call those "academic Java programmers" |
| 21:12.51 | Torhal | eidolarr: Figured it was :) |
| 21:12.59 | Shadowed | I don't think anyone could say that, with a straight face |
| 21:13.02 | Shadowed | you would hope :| |
| 21:13.15 | eadthem | well in lua i dont know but in c/c++ the compiler will inline most of the functions anyway so if doing 1 or 2 line functions that will be reused over and over helps it wont affect speed |
| 21:13.31 | Antiarc | Lua's interpreted, not compiled :) |
| 21:13.37 | Antiarc | It just gets parsed to bytecode. |
| 21:13.42 | Torhal | eadthem: You can typo all you like and misspell variables and Lua will happily create globals with that name and attempt to chug on |
| 21:13.51 | Antiarc | You can detect that easily though |
| 21:13.53 | Antiarc | luac is pro. |
| 21:14.04 | eadthem | ya so i gather it probaly will affect speed in lua |
| 21:14.09 | Primer | I wonder why the target of target tooltip is different from target, and target of target of target |
| 21:14.18 | asmodai | Mikk: did you also have lockups/crashes? |
| 21:14.18 | Primer | tooltip |
| 21:14.22 | Antiarc | Calling a function has a little bit of overhead in Lua, yeah. |
| 21:14.47 | onaforeignshore | hi guys - so I've created a resize handle for the new WatchFrame, but, because the frame has no background, it hangs in mid air lol. But at least I can resize it now on-the-fly. credit to Antiarc, cause it's based on BetterBlizzOptions |
| 21:14.53 | Mikk | asmodai: yeah i have freezes requiring a kill |
| 21:15.01 | Mikk | or rather i don't right now - running with only half my addons |
| 21:15.02 | asmodai | Mikk: did you catch my paste? |
| 21:15.27 | Antiarc | Mikk: Have you tried Blizzard's alternate d3d texture management option? |
| 21:15.32 | Primer | I take that back, both target of target and ToToT have the same crappy looking (looks like default UI?) tooltip |
| 21:15.34 | Mikk | Antiarc: no running with original |
| 21:15.38 | Antiarc | Might give that a go |
| 21:15.39 | Mikk | asmodai: no |
| 21:15.41 | asmodai | Mikk: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/156549/ |
| 21:15.46 | asmodai | Mikk: 's What I run. |
| 21:15.47 | Antiarc | Maybe they pooched up the original when doing the fix |
| 21:15.59 | Mikk | asmodai: that's ALL or just ones you run right now? |
| 21:16.09 | Mikk | Antiarc: could give it a shot i guess |
| 21:16.15 | Mikk | what's the value for the new one? |
| 21:16.24 | Mikk | d3d9ex? |
| 21:16.36 | Antiarc | SET gxApi "d3d9ex" |
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| 21:17.34 | Mikk | hummm |
| 21:17.37 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/CVar_gxApi |
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| 21:17.45 | Mikk | listing "direct3d" as default |
| 21:17.50 | asmodai | Mikk: all I run without problems |
| 21:18.00 | Antiarc | Mikk: That's correct |
| 21:18.05 | asmodai | mikk: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21723843232&sid=1 |
| 21:18.10 | asmodai | on the d3d9ex |
| 21:18.11 | Mikk | GetCVarDefault returns "d3d9" now |
| 21:20.05 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r152 / (2 files in 1 directory): -fix another source of YNIAP spam |
| 21:20.07 | Repo | -CD bar will run when MD is applied then reset when the CD starts |
| 21:20.08 | Repo | -no more thinking MD is up if your tank takes too long |
| 21:21.15 | Mikk | well i run nvidia8800 so eh dunno how much this would help me with crashes |
| 21:22.09 | Antiarc | http://pastie.org/740713 |
| 21:22.21 | Antiarc | That's my addon list. Works without any problems at all. ATI Radeon 4970. |
| 21:22.45 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia 043.1.1 beta2 * r153 : Tag as 3.1.1 beta2 |
| 21:23.44 | Mikk | thanks for lists guys |
| 21:24.40 | Antiarc | Anyone know the critera for whispering people cross-server? |
| 21:24.45 | Antiarc | Name-Realm doesn't seem to work anymore. |
| 21:24.48 | Antiarc | At least in parties. |
| 21:26.19 | asmodai | Mikk: I got a 8800 GTS |
| 21:26.29 | asmodai | Antiarc: seriously no idea. |
| 21:26.39 | Antiarc | I guess I have to test. |
| 21:27.30 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 04v6.3.3f-beta * 8c84ca8 /: [new tag] adjust LDB again |
| 21:27.38 | Antiarc | Name-Realm works in BGs. |
| 21:27.50 | asmodai | The core hound pup's animations are really cute |
| 21:27.54 | Antiarc | yeah |
| 21:29.15 | Mikk | Antiarc: well you're busted for "/whisper Name-Multi Word Realm Name blahblah" |
| 21:29.33 | Antiarc | Mikk: gsub " ", "" works, I think. |
| 21:31.05 | Gagorian | Nobody seemed to know earlier, so I'll ask again, does UnitAura return spellID now too? |
| 21:31.18 | Antiarc | It's supposed to |
| 21:31.32 | Antiarc | 14:31 "Battle Shout", "Rank 9", "Interface\\Icons\\Ability_Warrior_BattleShout", 0, nil, 360, 299653.676, nil, nil, 1, 47436 |
| 21:32.28 | Gagorian | That's good to know, could come in handy |
| 21:32.58 | Gagorian | I don't think it was in the patch notes or the UI&Macros post? |
| 21:35.25 | Mikk | Right... testing with gxApi=d3d9ex and full addon set now |
| 21:36.19 | nevcairiel | memory usage of wow seems to be alot lower with d3d9ex |
| 21:36.38 | Belazor | Antiarc: Done with that gearscore killer yet? I just got rejected from an OS10 3D run because I have 2 pieces of Furious gear, which (discounting the fact that the neckpiece got hit on it) is "rubbish for pve sorry" :p |
| 21:36.47 | Mikk | Like about the size of the texture cache that it instead dumps in the GPU's ram? =) |
| 21:36.53 | Antiarc | Belazor: Depending on your class, it might :P |
| 21:36.58 | Antiarc | (But, working on it) |
| 21:37.06 | Belazor | Paladin =p |
| 21:37.10 | nevcairiel | Mikk: well what do GPUs have ram for otherwise anyway! |
| 21:37.10 | Antiarc | d3d9x uses GPU RAM instead? |
| 21:37.17 | Fisker | gearscore replacement = keylogger that shards your gear |
| 21:37.18 | Fisker | imo |
| 21:37.22 | Antiarc | Hell, switching now. I've got a gig of the stuff lying around. |
| 21:37.37 | Fisker | giev infos |
| 21:37.38 | nevcairiel | the blue post said the cvar controls cache in GPU ram, yes |
| 21:38.00 | nevcairiel | i set mine to 512 with a 896 of gpu ram |
| 21:38.11 | nevcairiel | and wow mem usage went down to about 500 |
| 21:38.14 | nevcairiel | while being in icc |
| 21:38.36 | Fisker | SET gxApi "d3d9x" right? |
| 21:38.42 | Mikk | d3d9ex |
| 21:38.43 | nevcairiel | d3d9ex |
| 21:38.55 | nevcairiel | ex for experimental |
| 21:39.02 | nevcairiel | (its true) |
| 21:39.05 | Antiarc | Wow, yeah, that took about 400mb off of the WoW image size. |
| 21:39.06 | Torhal | Now they need an OpenGL version. |
| 21:39.08 | Mikk | usually extended |
| 21:39.10 | Mikk | :P |
| 21:39.21 | nevcairiel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21723843232&sid=1 |
| 21:39.27 | nevcairiel | they talk about experimental backend |
| 21:39.32 | nevcairiel | so its a safe bet! |
| 21:39.37 | Mikk | then you google d3d9ex |
| 21:39.42 | Antiarc | http://imgur.com/CNmDx.png |
| 21:39.48 | Antiarc | That dip is where I restarted WoW. |
| 21:39.56 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 21:40.02 | Fisker | mine won't let me set that texture cache thing |
| 21:40.07 | Fisker | it removes it during startup |
| 21:40.19 | asmodai | Someone just gave me alt 17g out of nowhere. XD I love being just a regular simple figure, not begging and getting stuff XD |
| 21:41.05 | Belazor | is your character female perchance |
| 21:41.06 | Shefki | Torhal: The OpenGL backend was redone for this patch. |
| 21:41.12 | asmodai | Belazor: Aye |
| 21:41.18 | Belazor | case solved xD |
| 21:41.20 | nevcairiel | Shefki: only for Macs, i believe |
| 21:41.25 | asmodai | Nightelf XD |
| 21:41.51 | Torhal | Shefki: Ah, ok. It does "feel" smoother - I'm still getting 15-25 FPS in Dalaran but it isn't jerky anymore. |
| 21:41.52 | Belazor | during tbc, I rolled a female spacegoat warrior, and someone gave me a nearly full set of lv17 str/stam gear, I was like "ty :)" /logout |
| 21:41.52 | Belazor | XD |
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| 21:42.35 | asmodai | Lets try this experimental stuff |
| 21:44.52 | Mikk | Torhal: that about matches my experience |
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| 21:44.58 | Mikk | fewer hickups |
| 21:45.14 | SunTsu | I wish I could, but with Wine you have to use OpenGL |
| 21:45.25 | Mikk | now i just need to play for X hours to see if it helped |
| 21:45.27 | Mikk | laaaalalala |
| 21:45.48 | Ingela | sylvanaar, FFFUUU, make a damn confirm button before it enables/disables all your addons!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:46.13 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 21:46.28 | Ingela | word on Fisker |
| 21:46.34 | SunTsu | Ingela: Need some more exclamation marks? Looks like you are running out of stock ;) |
| 21:46.47 | Ingela | :D:D |
| 21:48.02 | asmodai | I have to say that alt-tabbing seems to much more fluent at least |
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| 21:53.00 | Kaelten | kicks Stanzilla back |
| 21:53.33 | Stanzilla | Kaelten: client sync stuff fun down? :D |
| 21:53.42 | Kaelten | ? |
| 21:55.49 | Stanzilla | something is/was broken, client had no updates all day |
| 21:58.26 | Xinhuan | according to task manager, wow.exe has 2503 handles, itunes has 1718 handles (why the heck?), VCExpress.exe has 1116 handles, and explorer has 113 handles active lol |
| 21:58.52 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Ping. |
| 21:59.02 | Arrowmaster | pong |
| 21:59.20 | Torhal | Do you want me to PM you WoTLK instance coords for LibTourist, or add them myself? |
| 21:59.34 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm * r152 / (9 files in 5 directories): MorgDKP2 |
| 21:59.36 | Repo | -WEB! added game_itemid to eqdkp+ item additions and cleaned up logging so a log would not be created for a failed action |
| 21:59.41 | Arrowmaster | that instance entrance stuff? |
| 21:59.45 | Torhal | Yah |
| 21:59.52 | Repo | -updated importable item DB |
| 21:59.54 | Repo | -added Gunship battle trigger for ICC |
| 22:00.00 | Arrowmaster | add it yourself, i dont even know what uses that |
| 22:00.20 | Repo | 10morg-bid2: 03Morgalm 04v4.3 * r81 : Tagging as v4.3 |
| 22:00.25 | Torhal | I'm writing something now, checked to see if it was available from LT and saw that it is but incomplete |
| 22:00.34 | Torhal | Ok, thankye. |
| 22:00.42 | Repo | 10broker-itemlist: 03Morgalm 04v2.1 * r36 : Tagging as v2.1 |
| 22:01.02 | Repo | 10broker_control: 03Morgalm 04v1.2 * r7 : Tagging as v1.2 |
| 22:01.03 | asmodai | grrr, now to find out which addon is causing this skill window to not refresh after buying a new skill |
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| 22:01.24 | innerbat | hiya |
| 22:01.24 | Repo | 10broker-channelwatch: 03Morgalm 04v3.3 * r68 : Tagging as v3.3 |
| 22:01.29 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: what is hothgars landing and that island north of icecrown? |
| 22:01.50 | innerbat | is this a good place to as a BarTender4 question? |
| 22:03.17 | Torhal | ~asktoask |
| 22:03.18 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 22:03.24 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Dunno, haven't been to the new instances yet |
| 22:03.37 | Arrowmaster | that stuff is from 3.2 i think |
| 22:04.12 | nevcairiel | Torhal: the island is horthgars landing |
| 22:04.19 | CrazyBenny_ | Arrowmaster: hothgars landing is that island north of icecrown |
| 22:04.23 | nevcairiel | some zone for dailys |
| 22:04.31 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 22:04.58 | innerbat | ok then :-) i am using BT4, and my bars #1 and #6 are linked in a strange way: whatever i put in slot #1 on bar #6 appears in slot #1 in both bar #6 and bar #1. key bindings, on the other hand, are not shared between the two. what gives, how do i make it stop? |
| 22:05.03 | Arrowmaster | i think i added a dummy blank entry in libtourist for it because i know people kept bitching about errors from it |
| 22:05.15 | innerbat | (same happens for other slots in those two bars) |
| 22:07.17 | Arrowmaster | if i could remember the macro command to change action bar pages i would tell you how to fix that |
| 22:08.10 | innerbat | so you think my bar #1 is stuck on a page that's linked to bar #6? |
| 22:08.13 | innerbat | i can believe that. |
| 22:08.55 | Arrowmaster | its because you can swap the default ui's main bar between 6 pages |
| 22:09.20 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Village names could go in LibBabble-Zone, aye? |
| 22:09.22 | eadthem | anyone have a page with information on textures beond wowwiki |
| 22:09.36 | eadthem | like do they need to be TGA format ? |
| 22:10.06 | Antiarc | eadthem: 24-bit TGA or BLP format |
| 22:10.07 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: i think i put the subzone ZA is in in LBZ |
| 22:10.15 | Antiarc | I save 24-bit PNGs and convert them to BLP with BLP2PNG |
| 22:10.25 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: so yeah nothing really wrong with it |
| 22:10.36 | Arrowmaster | unless things have changed |
| 22:10.37 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Ok, I see TODOs in LibTourist for two WoTLK villages, they don't exist in LBZ yet |
| 22:10.39 | innerbat | thanks, that's all i needed -- i used the paging bindings to bring my bar #1 back to page #1. |
| 22:11.03 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: yeah i did that |
| 22:11.07 | nevcairiel | Torhal: i'm kinda opposed to it, only if you have a pressing need for an addon =p |
| 22:11.25 | eadthem | there any reason to preffer blp over tga or vice verca? |
| 22:11.41 | Antiarc | tga alpha channels are a pain in the ass to get right |
| 22:11.53 | nevcairiel | so are blps :P |
| 22:11.59 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: 24 bit png, blp2png, solved :P |
| 22:12.07 | Arrowmaster | some blps are apparently just tgas too |
| 22:12.08 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 22:12.13 | Torhal | nevcairiel, Arrowmaster: I'll leave that one alone then and just add the instance coords. |
| 22:12.38 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.0.2-17-g900f744 / (4 files in 3 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 22:12.40 | Repo | 900f744: Dropdown menu changes, set focus, clear focus, lock focus frames, unlock focus frames have been removed. I might add these back in with a disabled message pending what users say |
| 22:12.41 | Repo | ce47487: Hiding of all Blizzard unit frames is now done automatically based on what units are enabled in SUF |
| 22:12.50 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: those are only for the pathing stuff anyway and i dont really know of anything that uses it besides fubar_locationfu |
| 22:13.13 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 04b3.0.3 * d889298 /: [new tag] Tagging as beta 3.0.3 |
| 22:13.51 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Yah, seems overkill for one or two AddOns. Broker_Location uses it as well. I made the mistake of looking at its code last night and that's why I'm working on my own AddOn now. |
| 22:14.28 | Belazor | Torhal: Broker_Location alternative? <-- uses that |
| 22:14.30 | Arrowmaster | broker_locationfu you mean? |
| 22:14.49 | Belazor | also convert experiencefu plz :D |
| 22:14.51 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/broker_location/ |
| 22:15.16 | Torhal | But yah - basically a ripoff of LocationFu. Tooltip is identical. |
| 22:15.34 | Torhal | uses OnUpdate() for zone name changes. Yay. |
| 22:15.36 | Torhal | shivers. |
| 22:15.48 | Antiarc | OnUpdate means never having to miss an event |
| 22:15.55 | Antiarc | You should embrace it for everything |
| 22:16.00 | Torhal | Hah |
| 22:16.04 | Shadowed | no it doesn't! |
| 22:16.10 | Shadowed | What if you zone while alt tabbed out in full screen |
| 22:16.11 | Shadowed | WHAT THEN |
| 22:16.21 | Torhal | Shadowed: ASPLODE! |
| 22:16.26 | Ingela | world implodes |
| 22:16.51 | Xinhuan | i thought we wanted to kill cart2 and cart3 ;p |
| 22:16.53 | Mikk | yeah ok didn't take long to kaboom even with new d3d9ex |
| 22:17.07 | Mikk | Antiarc / asmodai: ^ |
| 22:17.14 | eadthem | so textures must be 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256 ... ? |
| 22:17.18 | Mikk | correct |
| 22:17.18 | asmodai | Mikk: mmm |
| 22:17.22 | Torhal | Xinhuan: It isn't a map AddOn. |
| 22:17.25 | Xinhuan | min texture size is actually 16 |
| 22:17.33 | Xinhuan | max is 1024 |
| 22:17.36 | asmodai | Mikk: back to addon enabling/disabling |
| 22:17.51 | Mikk | yup |
| 22:17.52 | Xinhuan | so valid is 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024 ;p |
| 22:18.57 | Fisker | you wouldn't Mikk |
| 22:19.36 | Mikk | you wouldn't steal a car. you wouldn't lift a purse. you wouldn't download a movie. you wouldn't be a fisker. |
| 22:20.33 | nevcairiel | assuming one addon is at fault, a bisect wouldnt take that many tries |
| 22:20.41 | Mikk | you'd think that |
| 22:20.41 | nevcairiel | if its a combination of multiple .. well good luck |
| 22:21.05 | asmodai | Mmm |
| 22:21.20 | asmodai | Kaelten: Think the updates to cc might still be haywire |
| 22:22.27 | Kaelten | are they syncing to curse.com properly? |
| 22:22.43 | Torhal | Kaelten: Last night some projects weren't synching...hadn't checked them today |
| 22:22.56 | Fisker | i'm disappoint |
| 22:23.15 | Fisker | they should've taken instance server outages in consideration in the lfd queue |
| 22:23.15 | Shadowed | Images aren't syncing |
| 22:23.17 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: Mapster didnt sync |
| 22:23.18 | Torhal | Kaelten: Yah, still not synching |
| 22:23.21 | asmodai | Kaelten: mmm, good one, not sure. I'm following SUF on alpha, which ought to show Shadowed's beta tag he did 10 minutes ago |
| 22:23.24 | Kaelten | link to an example please? |
| 22:23.29 | nevcairiel | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/mapster.aspx |
| 22:23.32 | nevcairiel | has 1.3.2 on wowace |
| 22:23.36 | nevcairiel | 1.3.1 on curse |
| 22:23.36 | Shadowed | asmodai: It shouldn't syndicate betas to curse? |
| 22:23.36 | Torhal | Kaelten: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/broker_dungeonfinder/ |
| 22:23.44 | Torhal | Kaelten: Doesn't exist at all on Curse |
| 22:23.49 | asmodai | Shadowed: I've been tracking all your latest :D |
| 22:24.13 | Torhal | Kaelten: I didn't expect any less, though, considering it's the weekend. :D |
| 22:24.28 | Kaelten | ya... kinda nuts |
| 22:24.35 | asmodai | Torhal: Stuff Blows Up(tm) in the weekend? :) |
| 22:24.40 | Shefki | Does everyone not have the objective markers for Isle of Conquest not showing up? |
| 22:24.42 | Shadowed | the file categories are weird as fuck |
| 22:24.44 | Shadowed | for example |
| 22:24.52 | Shadowed | why is Inscription in map/minimap |
| 22:24.59 | Shadowed | and why is DK under boss encounters |
| 22:25.12 | Kaelten | Shadowed: ? |
| 22:25.15 | Gagorian | Cause DK's are imba? |
| 22:25.15 | Torhal | asmodai: Indeed. |
| 22:25.35 | Shadowed | Kaelten: Go to edit project on wowace, the categories for secondary category are lined up wrong |
| 22:25.53 | Shadowed | Boss Encounters has DK/Paladin/Warlock/Damage Dealer for example |
| 22:26.00 | Shadowed | Professions has Arena, etc |
| 22:26.02 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: those are going rtl-ttb, not ttb-rtl like they probably should be |
| 22:26.29 | Shadowed | That is horribly illogical :p |
| 22:26.31 | Arrowmaster | i noticed it the other day too |
| 22:26.37 | Arrowmaster | agreed |
| 22:27.37 | Antiarc | Shadowed: It's because HTML is horizontal then vertical, I'd wager :P |
| 22:27.38 | Kaelten | actually it makes perfect sense |
| 22:28.00 | Kaelten | you're reading it top to bottom, but it's left to right |
| 22:28.09 | Kaelten | it should be the other way |
| 22:28.33 | Arrowmaster | the 'why' makes perfect sense maybe, but it doesnt make any sense at all |
| 22:28.39 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 22:28.48 | Shadowed | It's mostly the tabs that do it |
| 22:28.58 | Shadowed | If they weren't intended it would make more sense |
| 22:29.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah the indenting of the sub catagories |
| 22:29.41 | Arrowmaster | the 'who the fuck would create it like that' also doesnt make any sense |
| 22:29.46 | Shadowed | that too |
| 22:29.57 | Shefki | Ok so they've completly fucked IoC |
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| 22:30.07 | Shadowed | ? |
| 22:30.07 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Wobin] by ChanServ |
| 22:30.22 | Shefki | The damn load screen is upside down for it. |
| 22:30.29 | Shadowed | haha |
| 22:30.31 | Fisker | you wouldn't fu a fucker Wobin |
| 22:31.36 | asmodai | fuuu Fisker |
| 22:31.38 | onaforeignshore | anyone know a reference that shows all the interface texture names/pictures, eg. Interface/Tooltips/UI-Tooltip-Background |
| 22:31.54 | Mikk | onaforeignshore: wowwiki |
| 22:31.57 | Antiarc | onaforeignshore: Extract the Blizzard UI |
| 22:32.05 | Antiarc | There's also TexBrowser |
| 22:32.09 | Antiarc | Which reminds me that I need to update it |
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| 22:32.34 | Antiarc | curses, I don't have VS on this machine |
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| 22:33.33 | Fisker | btw Mikk so far so good |
| 22:33.35 | Fisker | what about you? |
| 22:33.43 | asmodai | Antiarc: Thanks for reminding me to reinstall that |
| 22:33.53 | Shefki | Yeah when you get on the airship the load screen displays upside down. |
| 22:34.12 | Shadowed | Hrm Antiarc, how would you handle multiple notes on a person from the same person, probably just allow one note from one person on one person? |
| 22:34.14 | Shefki | And the objective markers for the docks, workship, hanger and oil field are just gone. |
| 22:34.16 | Shadowed | or show them all |
| 22:34.42 | Antiarc | Shadowed: Hrm, I was planning on one note per run, but you could just have one note per person |
| 22:34.45 | Antiarc | Actually, that's a better idea |
| 22:34.51 | Antiarc | Just rate a person once, you can change it after a run |
| 22:34.58 | Antiarc | Though, hrm |
| 22:35.01 | Antiarc | That might change with their role |
| 22:35.04 | eadthem | when saving TGA dose it matter if you set the orgin for top or bottom left? |
| 22:35.53 | Antiarc | I'm not sure. I think it assumes top left. |
| 22:36.00 | Antiarc | Though the WoW UI origin is bottom left. |
| 22:36.22 | eadthem | ya gimp by default was gonna use bottom left for the save options |
| 22:36.29 | Antiarc | try the defaults |
| 22:36.32 | Antiarc | If it doesn't work, change it :) |
| 22:36.32 | Shadowed | I've saved them with bottom left just fine |
| 22:36.35 | haste | vhaarr: I'll have a look |
| 22:36.54 | eadthem | it appears gimp had no issue with tga alpha channals |
| 22:37.10 | Mikk | nop |
| 22:37.11 | Mikk | gimp rocks |
| 22:37.17 | eadthem | exactly |
| 22:37.18 | onaforeignshore | I use Paint.net and just save it - easiest way to convert imo |
| 22:37.21 | Shadowed | Antiarc: Maybe one note per person, per rating? So if you rate somebody 5 then 4, you get two notes, if you rate them 5 twice you get one note |
| 22:37.34 | Shadowed | and just make it support multiple roles in one note |
| 22:37.56 | Antiarc | Hrm. |
| 22:38.03 | Antiarc | Rating/note per role |
| 22:38.10 | Arrowmaster | what are you writing? |
| 22:38.16 | Shadowed | bored and replacing gearscore |
| 22:38.22 | Antiarc | Data collection on groupmates |
| 22:38.30 | Antiarc | Combined with Experience + gearsore replacement |
| 22:38.50 | Arrowmaster | you realize i can break it |
| 22:38.53 | Antiarc | Of course |
| 22:39.08 | Shadowed | eh not really :p |
| 22:39.14 | Shadowed | I assume you mean comm break? |
| 22:39.18 | Shadowed | or something else |
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| 22:39.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah, are you noting doing comms? |
| 22:39.37 | Shadowed | yea doing comms |
| 22:40.12 | haste | vhaarr: fix pushed |
| 22:40.16 | Shadowed | but, I'm very specifically going to be writing the comms with visibility in mind, so you can't just send hidden data thats bad, if you send bad data someone will catch it/ignore your data in the future |
| 22:41.12 | Shadowed | Obviously that won't catch notes that are out right lies, but it's not going to be a hidden system of getting data |
| 22:41.30 | Arrowmaster | distriubted comms or just direct only accepted from author of note? |
| 22:41.43 | Shadowed | from author |
| 22:42.27 | Shadowed | There's not going to be any distributed comms, it'll pretty much directly be "Give me all the info you got on X" in the case of gear data, it'll also have a note saying essentially this data is not verified |
| 22:43.39 | eadthem | is there a better page with information on the texture tag |
| 22:43.48 | eadthem | wowwiki just has a stub |
| 22:43.57 | Shadowed | |T<texture>:<height>:<width>:<offset>:<tex coord stuff I don't remember|T |
| 22:44.00 | Wobin | Shadowed, I like the one per note per rating |
| 22:44.05 | Wobin | er person/rating |
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| 22:44.51 | Shadowed | Embedded textures are awesome |
| 22:44.53 | Shadowed | they are so handy |
| 22:45.22 | Wobin | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences |
| 22:45.46 | Wobin | has that bookmarked, cause the title is so nonspecific =P |
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| 22:46.39 | Shadowed | huh |
| 22:46.47 | Shadowed | What's the point in |3-formid(text) |
| 22:47.03 | Fisker | @project sexygroup |
| 22:47.04 | Repo | Fisker: "http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup/. SexyGroup. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. Pre-mature approval. Apparently it isn't ready for prime-time.\r . Antiarc (Manager/Author), Shadowed (Author). Updated: 8 hours ago" |
| 22:47.43 | Wobin | Shadowed, it displays -text-! =) |
| 22:47.43 | nevcairiel | some blizzard usage probably, Shadowed |
| 22:48.03 | Shadowed | Don't think I've ever seen it used |
| 22:48.31 | asmodai | mmm, still hard to imagine this working as a MMO: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-explore-star-trek/59892 |
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| 22:52.32 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron 04v3.244 * r330 : RaidBuffStatus: |
| 22:52.34 | Repo | - Tagged as stable. |
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| 23:00.44 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.6 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 23:00.46 | Repo | f21dd3e: update changelog |
| 23:00.47 | Repo | 106870f: do not show outgoing heals to pets. |
| 23:00.51 | Repo | 77c8021: bump toc (30300) |
| 23:00.57 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 04v1.10.6 * 8369c3d /: [new tag] tag as v1.10.6 |
| 23:03.03 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r154 SimpleMD.lua: |
| 23:03.05 | Repo | -remove the extra 'e' somebody put in GetNumPartyMembers() from lines 184 and 364 (who would do such a thing to my code??) :P |
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| 23:03.30 | eadthem | is there a log generated when wow loads a xml file |
| 23:03.48 | eadthem | somethign that might hint in some way why its invalid |
| 23:03.53 | Balreign | FrameXML.log |
| 23:03.59 | Balreign | in Logs |
| 23:04.22 | Balreign | but it does not log very much |
| 23:04.34 | eadthem | ya i noticed |
| 23:04.38 | eadthem | failed to load ringmain.xml |
| 23:05.07 | eadthem | what elements of the texture tag are required and what subtags are required |
| 23:06.13 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia 043.1.1 beta3 * r155 : Tag as 3.1.1 beta3 |
| 23:06.15 | Aeyan | Bleh, see the client is still borked |
| 23:07.17 | Balreign | looks more that it's an invalid address |
| 23:07.25 | eadthem | atm these are the offending lines <Layers><Layer level="BACKGROUND"><Texture file=""Interface\AddOns\rings\ring2.tga"></Texture></Layer></Layers> |
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| 23:07.29 | Fisker | you wouldn't brr |
| 23:07.30 | Shadowed | file="" |
| 23:07.33 | Shadowed | should be file=" |
| 23:07.47 | Balreign | ow |
| 23:07.54 | eadthem | shurely thats not it |
| 23:08.00 | eadthem | mmmm |
| 23:08.04 | Balreign | it's xml |
| 23:08.08 | Shadowed | file=""texture"> is not valid :p |
| 23:08.34 | eadthem | mmm 30 min for 1 quote mark |
| 23:08.41 | Shadowed | welcome to programming |
| 23:08.57 | Balreign | xml is really strict not like html |
| 23:09.23 | eadthem | ya and that wouldnt work for html ither just wish i could coax some info out of this game client when things fail |
| 23:09.50 | eadthem | if it wer any other languge id have a compiler yelling at me |
| 23:10.19 | Shadowed | Generally it's a lot easier to work with CreateFrame and such rather than XML |
| 23:10.30 | Shadowed | because you'll specifically get Lua errors on isuses like that |
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| 23:10.46 | Balreign | true |
| 23:11.07 | Shadowed | There's really no reason to use XML |
| 23:11.48 | nevcairiel | xml can be useful in 1-2 cases |
| 23:12.03 | Shadowed | which he'll probably never run into! |
| 23:12.05 | eadthem | so the texture is green whenever its invalid for any reason |
| 23:12.10 | nevcairiel | templates re ftw |
| 23:12.19 | Shadowed | rather just use Createframe still |
| 23:12.20 | nevcairiel | *are |
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| 23:14.04 | nevcairiel | if you implement MT frames based on blizzards MTs with target-target .. its easier to use xml templates =) |
| 23:14.35 | Hjalte | jnwhiteh: Do I need to use a special radio with your AOSP 2.0.1 build? |
| 23:14.37 | Repo | 10libcompress: 03galmok * r42 / (2 files in 1 directory): Update to patch 3.3. |
| 23:14.39 | Repo | Localized a few more functions for speed gain (not much). |
| 23:14.46 | [SW]Dodge | vote 4 xrealm friendlist and direct invite :D |
| 23:15.08 | Shadowed | Templates only work if you're using something built specifically for it |
| 23:15.10 | Shadowed | but I don't remember why |
| 23:15.11 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 23:15.53 | nevcairiel | like the secure headers :D |
| 23:16.09 | Shadowed | No you're using something built specifically for creating the MT frames :p |
| 23:16.19 | Shadowed | I wasn't able to use templates for SUF cause it was a bitch, but I can't recall why now |
| 23:16.23 | eadthem | so using createframe i can make new frames with anchors relitive to XML frames? |
| 23:16.38 | Shefki | The secure template stuff reqires template use, though you can choose to only use the included templates. |
| 23:17.07 | Shefki | eadthem: There's only a handful of things that can't be done with the Lua API. |
| 23:17.26 | Shot | wow - handing in the sons of hodir pre-quest chain now gets you to honoured |
| 23:17.33 | Shot | completely skipped friendly :D |
| 23:17.42 | Shefki | Still wish I could figure out a way to make unit frames with mouse clicks disabled in combat. |
| 23:17.48 | nevcairiel | well in my case the secure header creates a frame for the MT himself, which also contains a child-frame for his target |
| 23:17.57 | nevcairiel | its a bitch to create that target frame otherwise |
| 23:18.02 | Repo | 10libcompress: 03galmok 04LibCompress r42-release * r43 : Tagging as LibCompress r42-release |
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| 23:19.33 | Shefki | Unfortunately the templates I need to use are Buttons and the XML ignores the enableMouse attribute on Buttons. /sigh |
| 23:20.45 | nevcairiel | why do you want to create them disabeld anyway? |
| 23:21.19 | Shefki | Some people want unit frames to be click through. |
| 23:21.49 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r156 SimpleMD.lua: -remove some fluff from the test function |
| 23:22.06 | nevcairiel | but you can't control that flag from Lua, i guess unless you exchange the template |
| 23:22.21 | Shefki | Sure you can EnableMouse(false) |
| 23:22.30 | nevcairiel | but not in combat |
| 23:22.34 | Shefki | Right. |
| 23:22.44 | Shefki | And changing the template doesn't work either. |
| 23:22.47 | Shadowed | You can't even call it when the initialConfigFunction is called? |
| 23:22.54 | Shefki | Nope. |
| 23:23.09 | Shefki | initialConfigFunction only allows attribute changes. |
| 23:23.11 | Primer | Anyone know how to make a right click on a button that has a macro in it self-cast? |
| 23:23.21 | Primer | seems that "self-cast" doesn't work when it's a macro |
| 23:23.39 | Shefki | And I can't just pass a different template with the mouse enabled. |
| 23:23.47 | Shadowed | ergh |
| 23:23.48 | Shefki | Because there's no way to set the template to have the mouse disabled. |
| 23:24.48 | Shefki | I've asked for either an initialMouse attribute like there are for things that can't be done directly for initialConfigFunction or just fix the XML to respect the enableMouse on Button objects. |
| 23:25.26 | nevcairiel | wonder why it doesnt, seems like a weird bug |
| 23:25.40 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 23:25.44 | Shot | 23.13.50 A Spark of Hope completed. |
| 23:25.50 | Shot | 23.13.50 You are now Honored with The Sons of Hodir. |
| 23:25.54 | Shadowed | I assume it still captures mouse clicks even if theres nothing registered to click it Shefki? |
| 23:25.56 | Shefki | I'd imagine whoever implemented it assumed nobody wouldl ever make a Button that you wouldn't want the mouse enabled on. |
| 23:26.05 | Shefki | Shadowed: Right. |
| 23:26.06 | Shot | 23.20.24 You are now Revered with The Sons of Hodir. |
| 23:26.16 | Shefki | I mean there is a certain logic to it. |
| 23:26.23 | nevcairiel | But i would make the implementation be the same for all frame types on shared attributes like that |
| 23:26.24 | Shadowed | Yea I'd say it's a pretty safe assumption :p |
| 23:26.44 | nevcairiel | but meh, what do i know how it works internally |
| 23:26.48 | Shefki | Interstingly enough no actual user has ever run into the bug. |
| 23:27.00 | Shefki | At least not that's reported it. |
| 23:27.17 | Shefki | I found the issue when I tested making frames in combat when I switched us to doing that. |
| 23:27.37 | Shefki | I also found that Clique wouldn't apply the click bindings to the frames when made in combat even though there was no reason it couldn't. |
| 23:27.47 | Shefki | Though that's been fixed now. |
| 23:28.14 | Shefki | Mostly because there was no way to check that it was ok to make attribute changes when in combat. |
| 23:28.15 | eadthem | so is there anywhere documentation for frames via lua? |
| 23:28.24 | Shefki | ~wowprogramming |
| 23:28.25 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 23:28.27 | eadthem | wowwiki is a pile of stubs and missing featuers |
| 23:28.50 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r702 Frozen_Halls/Devourer_of_Souls.lua: Added Wailing Soul warning |
| 23:29.06 | eadthem | thanks Shefki |
| 23:29.21 | nevcairiel | wowwiki isnt that bad, you just have to know where to look |
| 23:29.35 | Shefki | I don't imagine very many people want their party/raid frames click through and most of the time they would have their party members already in before they get in combat so it doesn't show up in practice much. |
| 23:30.08 | nevcairiel | party members joining in combat isnt that uncommon during leveling |
| 23:30.11 | Shefki | It's just frustrating to me because I really want perfect behavior with in combat frame creation. |
| 23:30.19 | nevcairiel | oh hai you're doing the boss i need, i invite you |
| 23:30.21 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Or in battlegrounds. |
| 23:30.32 | Shefki | nevcairiel: But yeah I realize that it happens. |
| 23:30.51 | Shefki | But the key thing here is that you have to be on a login where the frame hasn't been created at all yet. |
| 23:30.56 | nevcairiel | I fixed agUF incombat creationg back during wotlk leveling when i noticed it was broken |
| 23:31.08 | Shefki | So if you were ever in a party then you're fine until you logout/reloadui |
| 23:31.16 | nevcairiel | apparently ag never thought about it much |
| 23:31.27 | Shefki | nevcairiel: PB3 was horrible about it. |
| 23:31.33 | Shefki | Becuase ckk made a huge screw up. |
| 23:31.47 | Shefki | Which I never figured out until we did PB4 and we had the same issue. |
| 23:31.48 | Shadowed | wait what |
| 23:32.04 | Shadowed | how did you fix it nevcairiel and when? |
| 23:32.11 | Shadowed | I was definitely still getting in-combat creation issues with agUF |
| 23:32.22 | nevcairiel | I just removed the setwidth/setheight and setscale calls and used the attributes =P |
| 23:32.33 | nevcairiel | it probably never worked 100% |
| 23:32.54 | Shefki | PB3 calls SecureGroupHeader_Update() directly. |
| 23:32.56 | Shadowed | Realizing how god awful agUFs creation of stuff was is what made me write SUF |
| 23:33.02 | Shefki | Which taints everything that uses the secure templates. |
| 23:33.05 | Shadowed | because I realized I'd probably just rewrite it all to make it work |
| 23:33.07 | nevcairiel | ouch |
| 23:33.10 | nevcairiel | evil PB3 |
| 23:33.17 | Shefki | PB4 did the same thing till I fixed it. |
| 23:33.32 | nevcairiel | I was considering at some point to write a proper UF |
| 23:33.42 | nevcairiel | but then i was like, screw it, i'll just write myself a oUF layout |
| 23:33.50 | Shadowed | huh |
| 23:34.23 | Shefki | Honestly, a huge part of the reason that UFs are so bad is the utter lack of proper explanation about what you can and can't touch in the templates. |
| 23:34.34 | Shadowed | hrm? |
| 23:34.38 | Shadowed | You mean for in-combat stuff? |
| 23:34.47 | nevcairiel | I never really had that much issues in understand how it works |
| 23:34.50 | Shadowed | yea same |
| 23:34.57 | Shefki | I mean what part of the code is considered a public API and what is an internal implementation. |
| 23:35.05 | nevcairiel | But i have a good understanding for code, i can just read the secure templates code and see how it does its magic |
| 23:35.10 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: this sounds like you don't need bug reports to know that there's problems with suf & logging in in combat? |
| 23:35.25 | Shadowed | SUF shouldn't have any combat logging in issues |
| 23:35.35 | Shadowed | are you using separated raid frames |
| 23:35.38 | Shefki | Ohh I understand how it works. But having seen SecureGroupHeader_Update used in PB3 it never occured to me that it was a bad thing to call it till later. |
| 23:35.56 | nevcairiel | calling functions like that is generally always bad |
| 23:35.59 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: I'm not using raid frames at all, just p/t/tot; f/ft |
| 23:36.18 | Shadowed | uhhh I'll have to look into that, but there really shouldn't be any combat issues |
| 23:36.18 | nevcairiel | I taint the hell out of the map with some so simple changes |
| 23:36.21 | nevcairiel | sadly i cant avoid it |
| 23:36.24 | Groktar | is it wrong to guardian spirit myself and run in front of icehowl, and then yell at everyone else? |
| 23:36.25 | Shefki | How could you possibly have problems loggin incombat with those. |
| 23:36.27 | nevcairiel | so i just un-secure the map :D |
| 23:36.39 | Shadowed | yea, what do you get? |
| 23:37.42 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: http://paste.wowace.com/1537/ |
| 23:38.50 | Shadowed | oh that |
| 23:38.59 | Shadowed | weird wonder if they changed combat logdown to start sooner |
| 23:39.07 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: it didn't because there was no API to determine whether or not it could =) |
| 23:39.08 | jnwhiteh | to be fair. |
| 23:39.19 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: I said that. |
| 23:39.21 | Shadowed | I'll probably just change SUF to load everything on AL because I don't need to delay it anymore |
| 23:39.28 | jnwhiteh | i only got the one line |
| 23:39.30 | jnwhiteh | just wanted to clarify =) |
| 23:39.41 | Shadowed | heyyyyyyyy clad |
| 23:39.52 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: But yeah I realize it wasn't your fault. |
| 23:40.12 | Shadowed | |TInterface\\LFGFrame\\UI-LFG-ICON-PORTRAITROLES.blp:20:20:0:5:64:64:0:19:22:41|t do you happen to know what the 6 new arguments (starting at the first 64) are? I assume they are tex coord stuff, bu tI can't seem to work it out exactly |
| 23:40.24 | nevcairiel | its tex coord, yes |
| 23:41.05 | Shefki | I believe any of the new paramters are passed directly to the texcoord stuff. |
| 23:41.13 | Shadowed | they aren't, or shouldn't be at least |
| 23:41.36 | Shadowed | I'm trying to use it with the class buttons and CLASS_BUTTONS coords and it's showing all of the textures |
| 23:42.08 | Shefki | If you figure it out please update the UIEscapes page on wowwiki. |
| 23:42.22 | Shefki | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_escape_sequences |
| 23:42.23 | Shefki | That page. |
| 23:42.49 | nevcairiel | lfdrole:SetTexCoord(0, 19/64, 22/64, 41/64) |
| 23:42.55 | nevcairiel | tank icon ^ |
| 23:43.05 | Shadowed | Hrm |
| 23:43.06 | nevcairiel | see these numbers up there? :D |
| 23:43.22 | nevcairiel | 0 .. 19 .. 22 .. 41 |
| 23:43.26 | nevcairiel | 64 in front of it |
| 23:43.30 | Shadowed | so it looks like 64:64 is the images dimensions, the next 4 are the tex coords |
| 23:43.31 | Shadowed | that makes sense |
| 23:44.11 | Antiarc | So. |
| 23:44.14 | Antiarc | I got an occulus pug. |
| 23:44.17 | nevcairiel | speciying tex coords like that makes much more sense then decimals |
| 23:44.18 | Antiarc | With four people that have never done it. |
| 23:44.22 | Shadowed | yea |
| 23:44.23 | Antiarc | And a non-defense-capped tank |
| 23:44.24 | Gnarfoz | never wtf |
| 23:44.28 | Shadowed | But it also means I can't jus directly use CLASS_BUTTONS :p |
| 23:44.33 | Gnarfoz | also, it's Oculus :P |
| 23:44.36 | Shefki | Antiarc: I got an occulus pug where as the healer and with a green drake I was the top dps. |
| 23:44.45 | nevcairiel | I had a 30k HP tank in pit of saron just now |
| 23:44.48 | nevcairiel | i left before it started |
| 23:44.54 | Shefki | Antiarc: We even managed to one shot the boss. |
| 23:45.08 | Shefki | Gear scaling drakes is OP. :P |
| 23:45.24 | nevcairiel | I had two really good occulus groups as well |
| 23:45.26 | nevcairiel | really surprised me |
| 23:45.59 | Shefki | THey nerfed the hell out of it and made the drakes scale with gear. |
| 23:46.15 | Fisker | gear scaling has been there for a long time |
| 23:46.16 | Shefki | It's pretty funny when you realize your drake has double the health of some of your group members. |
| 23:46.49 | Shefki | Fisker: Fair enough, but they did nerf that instance this patch. |
| 23:47.05 | nevcairiel | some people still terribly fail at it |
| 23:47.23 | Shefki | I went with 3 guild mates and got 2 pugs and ended up there. |
| 23:47.35 | Shefki | The 2 pugs did no damage on the final boss. Had no clue what to do with their drakes. |
| 23:47.48 | Shefki | They just flew around while the 3 of us killed it. |
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| 23:48.20 | Shadowed | aha there we go |
| 23:48.27 | Antiarc | 16:39 Group Fallenlily-Lightbringer: bio |
| 23:48.27 | Antiarc | 16:44 Group Fallenlily-Lightbringer: sorry i really had to go, to much Dr Pep |
| 23:48.27 | Antiarc | 16:45 Group Fallenlily-Lightbringer: where are you |
| 23:48.27 | Antiarc | 16:45 [PL] Delfina[Adrine]: Check the map |
| 23:48.32 | Antiarc | 16:45 Centurio has died. |
| 23:48.33 | Antiarc | 16:46 Group Tidwell-Ravenholdt: ? did you fall? lol |
| 23:48.33 | Antiarc | 16:46 Group Centurio-The Forgotten Coast: rolf |
| 23:48.33 | Antiarc | 16:46 Group Fallenlily-Lightbringer: i cant find you and i am using the map |
| 23:48.34 | Shadowed | It's 256:256:coord * 256:etc |
| 23:48.34 | Antiarc | 16:46 Group Centurio-The Forgotten Coast: tried to stop but mouse button was stuck |
| 23:48.59 | nevcairiel | haha Antiarc, that guy is awesome :D |
| 23:49.22 | Shefki | At this point HoR is by far the worst to get with a PUG. |
| 23:49.42 | nevcairiel | depends most ly on the tank |
| 23:49.47 | Antiarc | 16:49 Fallenlily leaves the party. |
| 23:49.48 | Antiarc | Welp. |
| 23:49.52 | Antiarc | They couldn't find us. |
| 23:49.53 | Adremma | I sorta agree, but I haven't actually gotten a bad group there yet |
| 23:49.56 | Antiarc | So they quit the group. |
| 23:50.20 | nevcairiel | If i get a good tank in HoR that can keep everythign away from me, i heal us through that instance fine |
| 23:50.59 | nevcairiel | of course no absolute fail dps :P |
| 23:51.25 | Shadowed | yay embedded textures and settexcoord |
| 23:52.16 | Fisker | i just made a nuke |
| 23:52.17 | Fisker | brbfbi |
| 23:54.00 | Antiarc | OH MY GOD |
| 23:54.01 | Antiarc | 16:51 Kanoogal joins the party. |
| 23:54.06 | Antiarc | 16:53 Group Kanoogal-Echo Isles: now... how do i get to yas.... i have never done this one before |
| 23:55.00 | nevcairiel | you get nice people :D |
| 23:55.36 | nevcairiel | sometimes i have groups where everyone gets the achievement at the end |
| 23:55.39 | nevcairiel | but they didnt fail |
| 23:55.41 | nevcairiel | so i think alts |
| 23:55.45 | Shefki | Antiarc: How do I get to you, I've never played WoW before, my bf just told me to play for him while he ran to the store to get something. |
| 23:57.06 | Antiarc | Shefki: Find your nearest cliff, walk off. |
| 23:57.12 | Antiarc | (It's a shortcut) |
| 23:57.27 | Shefki | Interesting tidbit, you can fall off the ledges in the new instances. |
| 23:57.56 | Shefki | It's fun to tell people not to fall. They go "Ohh you can't fall see..." and then jump off. |
| 23:58.07 | Shefki | Trying to prove to you that there is an invisible wall. |
| 23:58.52 | Antiarc | On the plus side, the hunter is doing almost 1500 DPS |
| 23:58.56 | Shadowed | haha |
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