| 00:01.38 | Shadowed | Whats the rule on images in-game, it's powers of 2 or something? |
| 00:05.12 | WobWork | yes |
| 00:05.46 | WobWork | up til something or other |
| 00:05.58 | Shadowed | I think it's 1024 |
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| 00:12.59 | Daduke1 | Would anyone be able to confirm if omen will be working with the 3.3 patch, as it wasn't working on the PTR |
| 00:14.40 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 00:14.42 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 00:20.10 | vhaarr | Veight`: would what hide what? |
| 00:20.24 | vhaarr | kandarz: after declaring, paste.wowace.com your code |
| 00:24.18 | Fisker | ok you would WobWork |
| 00:24.19 | Fisker | you got me |
| 00:24.20 | Fisker | :( |
| 00:27.22 | Stanzilla | Daduke1: omen is working on the ptr? O.o if you have problems, let Xinhuan know |
| 00:28.00 | Daduke1 | People in guild are saying its not working |
| 00:28.27 | Daduke1 | I honestly don't remember, but I think they were right as the one time i looked omen was completely blank but that was weeks ago |
| 00:28.38 | Daduke1 | and yeah, i've got a chat window one with xinhuan |
| 00:28.43 | Daduke1 | he is just afk |
| 00:30.58 | Fisker | oh my Stanzilla |
| 00:31.37 | Stanzilla | oh no, a Fisker |
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| 00:56.19 | KriLL3 | I just ganked a retardin |
| 00:56.32 | KriLL3 | complete pwnage |
| 00:56.41 | KriLL3 | should I open a GM ticket? |
| 00:57.38 | Brybry | no but you should make yourself a cookie |
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| 00:58.08 | KriLL3 | yay cookies! |
| 00:58.11 | KriLL3 | *nom nom nom* |
| 00:58.25 | steev | Discharge of the Management Forum in front of God and to all visitors and members of the case with the long relationship between the members or guests Mahikhalv religion and God help you! |
| 00:58.32 | steev | <3 google translate |
| 00:58.45 | KriLL3 | wtf |
| 00:59.06 | KriLL3 | sounds like a mixture of the bible and some tech manual |
| 01:02.11 | KriLL3 | Brybry: I guess I'm a little bitter since I stopped playing wow last time around when retardins had bubble + wings + crazy broken dps scaling on some stuff |
| 01:02.57 | KriLL3 | so paladins in crap gear turning my fully geared druid into paste is fresh in my memory, I still look around the room for hidden cameras when I kill a paladin |
| 01:03.13 | KriLL3 | "this is a joke right? that's not supposed to happen!" |
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| 01:30.05 | KriLL3 | what's wrong with WG? 1-2 mins into the fight, I haven't seen any alliance yet, and tada, they line up (max number of vehicles they can get, 16-8~) seige engines in a row, kill each wall in a couple seconds and then win, lag is so bad you can't do crap, not that you can really affect that many tanks at once |
| 01:30.10 | KriLL3 | and the RP-GG stops mid fire all the time, I guess a tank is shooting at me, but I don't know |
| 01:34.35 | Belazor | KriLL3: If a druid loses to a paladin in 3.2 (more so in 3.3) then the druid needs to either l2p or the paladin caught the druid out of stealth and also had all cooldowns up :p |
| 01:35.18 | KriLL3 | Belazor: we got buffed or they got nerfed? or is it just because paladins are so used to facerolling that they're actually rubbish in a fair fight? |
| 01:35.41 | Belazor | yes because a bear that can cast hots with almost no penalty is fair |
| 01:35.59 | KriLL3 | errm bear only got one hot, and it drains your rage |
| 01:36.25 | Belazor | so how come in every BG I see bears with swirly rejuv hot thingy around them nearly constantly? |
| 01:36.30 | KriLL3 | I couldn't combat a paladin in bearform, I'd use catform and only go bear when my energy gets low and I can't re-plenish it, or I need an additional stun |
| 01:36.51 | KriLL3 | Belazor: that might be frenzied regeneration, but as said that dumps your rage |
| 01:36.57 | KriLL3 | it's a last ditch thing in pvp |
| 01:37.09 | KriLL3 | resto druids get a hot like thing if you hit them |
| 01:37.16 | KriLL3 | even in bearform, might be that |
| 01:37.22 | Belazor | way I heard it, theres a macro that elts you shift out to instant cast hot then shift back into bearform instantly |
| 01:37.24 | KriLL3 | or they cast some hot outside bearform and then went bear |
| 01:37.33 | KriLL3 | no, that's not possible |
| 01:37.51 | Belazor | theres 2 kinds of paladin vs druid fights these days |
| 01:37.55 | KriLL3 | shifting triggers and need global cooldown |
| 01:38.02 | KriLL3 | can't instant shift |
| 01:38.07 | Belazor | 1. Cat druid that gets the first shot from stealth - paladin might as well go afk |
| 01:38.33 | Belazor | 2. Paladin caught druid out of stealth - druid goes bearform and waits for team members to show up |
| 01:38.45 | KriLL3 | sure we can shift during a stun, or when we got some distance but no shifting from bear in melee vs a melee player that isn't stunned to hot and go back isn't beneficial |
| 01:38.56 | KriLL3 | Belazor: you sound a bit like a paladin |
| 01:39.04 | Belazor | thats because I am -_- |
| 01:39.16 | KriLL3 | what about paladin bubbles, runs to 5+ friends and sobs in relief because pvp is hard? |
| 01:39.24 | KriLL3 | oh and uses lay on hands |
| 01:39.32 | Belazor | which isn't possible in 3.3, so gg |
| 01:39.52 | KriLL3 | well in arenas yes |
| 01:39.52 | Brybry | I remember playing my druid pre-BC so I can't complain about druids today, especially with how much fun/OP resto can be =[ |
| 01:39.56 | Belazor | also you sound like the kind of clueless whiner that got paladins nerfed again :p |
| 01:40.00 | Belazor | no, everywhere |
| 01:40.09 | KriLL3 | eh? |
| 01:40.09 | Belazor | LoH puts Forbearance on the paladin |
| 01:40.13 | Belazor | in 3.3 |
| 01:40.17 | KriLL3 | meaning? |
| 01:40.26 | Belazor | meaning it places a 2 minute hard cooldown on bubble |
| 01:40.42 | Belazor | and can't be used within 2 minutes of bubble |
| 01:40.54 | Belazor | and wings + bubble? no go, 30 second soft cooldown there |
| 01:40.56 | KriLL3 | ah, so your 100% hp ability gives your "I'm immune to everything" ability a cooldown? |
| 01:41.05 | KriLL3 | wait a sec, I'll get a napkin |
| 01:41.05 | Brybry | wings+bubble was possible at one point |
| 01:41.11 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 01:41.13 | Brybry | not anymore however |
| 01:41.15 | KriLL3 | I pvped during that era |
| 01:41.30 | KriLL3 | a paladin in blues and greens could paste you even if you had the best pvp gear |
| 01:41.50 | Brybry | eh, I dunno about that |
| 01:41.53 | Belazor | KriLL3: So having more stuns than a rogue, the ability to instantly hit armor cap and faster attack speed than a dagger rogue is balanced, amirite |
| 01:42.08 | KriLL3 | we got a lot less and a lot worse stuns than a rogue |
| 01:42.22 | KriLL3 | cat form got 1, except start stun, and it's a finisher |
| 01:42.25 | KriLL3 | bear form got 1 |
| 01:42.28 | Brybry | but yes, pallies have at one time or another been able to pull some overpowered stunts. that however can be said of most classes. |
| 01:42.32 | KriLL3 | they're both on cooldowns |
| 01:43.01 | Belazor | you forgot to mention you get a subtlety rogue's 41 point talent as a trainable skill at level 30 or so |
| 01:43.04 | KriLL3 | and our white dmg might as well not exist |
| 01:43.12 | KriLL3 | swing time doesn't matter |
| 01:43.18 | KriLL3 | Belazor: eh? |
| 01:43.35 | Belazor | KriLL3: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=49376 |
| 01:43.44 | Belazor | nvm, lv20 |
| 01:44.01 | KriLL3 | well bearform got charge, a bit silly that we needed to shift to bear, charge, then go back to cat |
| 01:44.10 | Belazor | click the damn link |
| 01:44.18 | Belazor | CAT CHARGE HOOOO |
| 01:44.20 | KriLL3 | I did |
| 01:44.28 | KriLL3 | saying it was silly to have only bear charge |
| 01:44.32 | Belazor | ... |
| 01:44.40 | KriLL3 | that's like warriors only being able to charge in one stance |
| 01:45.20 | KriLL3 | oh and we can't catch people on mounts with that, since it's not instant, we travel through the air |
| 01:45.31 | KriLL3 | if they're on a mount we land 5m~ behind them |
| 01:45.37 | KriLL3 | just far enough that we can't do crap |
| 01:45.59 | KriLL3 | with a slight lag we can't even catch running people with it |
| 01:46.02 | Belazor | so now we're comparing to warriors instead of rogues like I said, probably because you realise that getting a 41pt talent for free at lv20 is stupid |
| 01:46.14 | KriLL3 | it's not for free |
| 01:46.19 | KriLL3 | we need a talent to charge |
| 01:46.20 | Belazor | oh sorry, 10 silver |
| 01:46.27 | Belazor | trainable |
| 01:46.30 | Belazor | skill |
| 01:46.39 | KriLL3 | no silly |
| 01:46.44 | KriLL3 | we need a talent to learn it |
| 01:47.02 | KriLL3 | it's a 5:th tier talent |
| 01:47.22 | Belazor | right, just opened the talent calc. been a while since I logged my druid anyway. my bad |
| 01:47.36 | KriLL3 | charge HAS ALWAYS been a talent |
| 01:47.54 | Belazor | still less points needed than a sub rogue, and a sub rogue gives up dps to get it |
| 01:47.55 | Belazor | you dont |
| 01:47.57 | KriLL3 | but they moved it higher in 3.0 (I think) |
| 01:48.07 | Belazor | theres only one melee dps tree |
| 01:48.07 | KriLL3 | I don't see your point |
| 01:48.17 | KriLL3 | actually no |
| 01:48.25 | KriLL3 | a lot of feral dps stuff is in resto |
| 01:48.31 | KriLL3 | for no good reason |
| 01:48.37 | Yssaril | Belazor: they see you and hit their ohh shit button to survive? |
| 01:48.48 | Belazor | Yssaril: ? |
| 01:48.48 | Yssaril | bahhhh nm |
| 01:48.51 | KriLL3 | the feral tree is tanking, dps and pvp all mixed together, making it a horrible mess |
| 01:48.55 | Belazor | but you don't spec 51+ points in resto to go melee dps |
| 01:49.06 | Yssaril | was way scrooled up in the conversation |
| 01:49.18 | Belazor | they need to return to the old "either you improve bear, or you improve cat" way of doing it |
| 01:49.31 | Belazor | because being able to improve bear and cat with the same talents is batshit |
| 01:49.40 | KriLL3 | Belazor: well roles ideally |
| 01:49.53 | Belazor | paladins NEED bubble and LoH because we are fucking useless at everything else |
| 01:49.56 | Belazor | we have burst, thats it |
| 01:49.58 | KriLL3 | I need to put talents in stuff with secondary functions that are useless to me |
| 01:50.01 | KriLL3 | and I'm missing stuff |
| 01:50.05 | Belazor | if you had played a paladin youd realise |
| 01:50.35 | KriLL3 | errm, you can self heal better than ferals, you can restore your HP to 100%, you can become immune to everything or immune to physical harm |
| 01:50.59 | Belazor | when was the last time you logged onto the game again? |
| 01:51.05 | KriLL3 | today |
| 01:51.09 | Belazor | cause you realise rets run with purely base mana these days |
| 01:51.13 | Belazor | theres no int on ret gear |
| 01:51.20 | Belazor | so no, we cant self heal better |
| 01:51.22 | KriLL3 | same with ferals |
| 01:51.27 | KriLL3 | base int |
| 01:51.31 | KriLL3 | and shifting costs mana |
| 01:51.34 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/browsetable/. BrowseTable. stolenlegacy (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 01:51.55 | Belazor | paladins have NO gap closers, our stuns are ass (one's on a 50s cooldown, another is 1m and is a purely pve CC), we have only autoattack after we unleashed our initial 3-4 attacks |
| 01:52.07 | KriLL3 | errm, your stuns are the best in the game |
| 01:52.11 | KriLL3 | even got a ranged one |
| 01:52.11 | Belazor | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:52.22 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.26 | Torhal | oops |
| 01:52.30 | KriLL3 | you get locked down horribly by paladins every time |
| 01:52.49 | Brybry | it's more like #your-class-is-better-than-mine |
| 01:52.52 | KriLL3 | and it's the only class in the game that a druid can't run from, with the damn "judgement of justice" |
| 01:52.57 | Belazor | okay this is where I know you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 01:53.24 | Belazor | how is a 4 second stun on a 50 second cooldown the best in the game? |
| 01:53.27 | Belazor | please, tell me |
| 01:53.31 | KriLL3 | isn't it 5-6? |
| 01:53.37 | Belazor | DR |
| 01:53.45 | Belazor | theres always someone else whos stunned |
| 01:53.49 | Belazor | lemme go look it up, sec |
| 01:54.23 | Torhal | I can sum this conversation up with a word and an acronym: "No! STFU!" |
| 01:54.28 | Belazor | 1 minute cooldown, 6 second stun. 10 yard range, btw, so don't claim it as ranged :p |
| 01:54.28 | KriLL3 | 40 seconds with talents, 6 second duration |
| 01:54.45 | KriLL3 | can add range with glyph, and you got some other ranged thing |
| 01:54.49 | Belazor | repentance is so useless in pvp |
| 01:54.53 | Belazor | any damage breaks it |
| 01:54.54 | KriLL3 | errm it's evil |
| 01:55.05 | KriLL3 | yes, so? use it on people trying to heal, or running |
| 01:55.14 | Belazor | cant use it on running druids |
| 01:55.15 | KriLL3 | run up to them, kill them |
| 01:55.19 | Belazor | unless you run in caster form that is |
| 01:55.25 | KriLL3 | errm yes you can |
| 01:55.31 | KriLL3 | I've had it used on me a billion times |
| 01:55.43 | Belazor | Usable against Demons, Dragonkin, Giants, Humanoids and Undead. |
| 01:55.48 | Belazor | I don't see beasts in there |
| 01:55.54 | KriLL3 | hmm |
| 01:56.02 | KriLL3 | well if I just met a paladin I'm trying to heal in caster |
| 01:56.06 | KriLL3 | and I'll get stunned |
| 01:57.03 | KriLL3 | though I'm no longer dead by the time the first hammer of justice ends nowadays |
| 01:57.10 | KriLL3 | which is an improvement |
| 01:57.26 | Belazor | then you shift out of it, shift back to hot, pop trinket on rep, either shift into your iwin button of choice or run away, IF judgement of justice is off CD then you can't run, if not then you're home free |
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| 01:57.34 | KriLL3 | errm can't shift while stunned |
| 01:57.45 | KriLL3 | except to caster, and you can't shift to caster in caster |
| 01:58.01 | Belazor | coulda sworn it worked both ways... |
| 01:58.10 | KriLL3 | no |
| 01:58.13 | KriLL3 | only shift to caster while stunned |
| 01:58.19 | KriLL3 | aka plz kill me faster mr rogue |
| 01:58.37 | Belazor | alright, so if the paladin catches you with all his CDs up then you might die, if you got crap gear |
| 01:59.00 | Belazor | all I know is, 500 resi doesn't do diddly dick against the druids I meet in pvp these days, no idea what the fuck they are wearing |
| 01:59.11 | KriLL3 | I'm in full pvp, got the first level of rating requiring hands and legs |
| 01:59.26 | KriLL3 | I got 921 res |
| 01:59.40 | KriLL3 | and since this morning I got a marrowstrike |
| 01:59.42 | Belazor | Im in 3pc deadly, all furious non-set pieces |
| 01:59.47 | Belazor | oo I got that too |
| 01:59.55 | Belazor | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bronzebeard&n=Nefarium |
| 02:00.11 | KriLL3 | I got all furious non set and deadly except those 2 furious set |
| 02:00.22 | Belazor | you gemmed for resi then |
| 02:00.26 | KriLL3 | anvil of the titans + epic pvp trinket |
| 02:00.28 | KriLL3 | no |
| 02:00.39 | Belazor | LINK ARMORI PLX |
| 02:00.46 | KriLL3 | logging out to update it |
| 02:01.22 | KriLL3 | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Voliant |
| 02:01.41 | KriLL3 | I got some resilience enchants I'll admit |
| 02:01.49 | KriLL3 | but those got stamina also |
| 02:03.26 | Belazor | yeah the 2 trinkets probably dont hurt |
| 02:03.37 | KriLL3 | anvil is 25 WG marks |
| 02:03.50 | Belazor | I know, I need it for epic achievement so I can do voa |
| 02:03.51 | Belazor | ... |
| 02:04.01 | KriLL3 | I haven't done voa once |
| 02:04.03 | Belazor | thing is, a human gets free pvp trinket as racial so I dont see a need to actually wear them beyond the resi bonus, the cd is shared |
| 02:04.29 | Belazor | VoA is a loot piƱata |
| 02:04.34 | KriLL3 | well you could get 2x of those non cc removing pvp trinkets |
| 02:04.57 | KriLL3 | I've tried getting into voa, but they all want you to have achivement from doing it before, and I haven't on this character |
| 02:05.02 | Belazor | yeah |
| 02:05.11 | KriLL3 | doesn't matter that my tanking gear is nice, achievement is all |
| 02:05.41 | Belazor | point is, my gear level seems to be at a point where Im encountering people with your level of resi, which means I might as well go afk because everything rips me to shreds instantly |
| 02:05.56 | Belazor | only thing I can still kill is rogues and certain warlocks |
| 02:06.11 | Belazor | Im not a MLG pvper but Im not faceroller either |
| 02:06.44 | KriLL3 | I can rip just about anything to shreds, except healers, and oddly enough fire mages, and certain warlocks |
| 02:07.06 | KriLL3 | oh and tank anything |
| 02:07.09 | Belazor | when I say certain warlocks what I mean is, a warlock thats not destro spec |
| 02:07.11 | KriLL3 | takes forever if at all |
| 02:07.21 | KriLL3 | well some destro if their gear is nice and they're skilled |
| 02:07.24 | KriLL3 | that aoe stun thing is evil |
| 02:07.29 | KriLL3 | and chaos bolt hurts |
| 02:07.30 | Belazor | shadowfury |
| 02:07.49 | Belazor | back when I was at 20k unbuffed I could get 2shot by a destro lock |
| 02:07.52 | Belazor | well 3shot |
| 02:07.57 | Belazor | immolate -> conflag -> chaos bolt |
| 02:07.58 | Belazor | dead |
| 02:08.07 | KriLL3 | I usually take down affliction locks easy, since if I got zerk / pvp trink they can't keep me away, but I need to heal until oom after =P |
| 02:08.09 | Belazor | as that was like 3k -> 10k crit -> 10k crit |
| 02:08.30 | Belazor | you just be glad you cant dispell magic |
| 02:08.46 | KriLL3 | errm, why? |
| 02:08.53 | Belazor | Unstable Affliction |
| 02:08.58 | KriLL3 | oh right |
| 02:09.00 | KriLL3 | it does something when removed |
| 02:09.04 | Belazor | its not what you want to dispell but its always what ends up critting you for 7k |
| 02:09.18 | KriLL3 | lightbloom is like that also |
| 02:09.23 | KriLL3 | heals me if someone removes it |
| 02:09.25 | Belazor | lifebloom you mean |
| 02:09.30 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 02:09.31 | Belazor | I cant wait for rated BGs man, seriously |
| 02:09.31 | KriLL3 | it's late |
| 02:09.37 | Belazor | yea 3am here |
| 02:09.47 | KriLL3 | I can't figure out how those will work |
| 02:09.57 | Belazor | its for cata so they arent finalised |
| 02:10.02 | KriLL3 | if you win a lot you get a higher rating and get into bgs with people with higher ratings? |
| 02:10.07 | Belazor | yeah |
| 02:10.11 | Belazor | its arenas only bgs |
| 02:10.23 | KriLL3 | well bgs here already have huge queues, can't be a good idea |
| 02:10.28 | Belazor | I hope you can get solo rating and still get the same level of gear |
| 02:10.40 | KriLL3 | would suck if you'd need a guild to do it |
| 02:10.40 | Belazor | cause Im sick of having to rely on WG to get my honor |
| 02:10.52 | Belazor | Ill just use my bank guild then lawl |
| 02:10.53 | KriLL3 | WG is broken |
| 02:11.02 | Belazor | WG is fine except for tenacity |
| 02:11.09 | KriLL3 | I meant you need a guild o' people and premades etc |
| 02:11.16 | Belazor | on my server theres like 80-20 ally horde |
| 02:11.27 | Belazor | so hordes have 70k health and can literally 2shot you with auto shot |
| 02:11.36 | KriLL3 | well today the alliance didn't appear outside our walls, and a min into the fight they had a full set of seige engines |
| 02:11.54 | KriLL3 | that's all we saw of them |
| 02:11.57 | KriLL3 | a wall of seige engines |
| 02:12.10 | KriLL3 | that ofc destroyed the walls in their path, towers and the door in seconds |
| 02:12.24 | Belazor | maybe they were sploiting |
| 02:12.30 | KriLL3 | with us standing there waiting to loose, since we can't do anything against them |
| 02:12.36 | Belazor | I just know that tenacity is a piece of shit |
| 02:12.37 | KriLL3 | they do every time, no idea how |
| 02:12.43 | KriLL3 | yeah it is |
| 02:12.52 | KriLL3 | been one shotted by shamans with it |
| 02:13.04 | KriLL3 | 40k lava burst |
| 02:13.12 | KriLL3 | liek wha? |
| 02:13.18 | Belazor | oh god dont get me started on elementals hamans |
| 02:13.31 | Belazor | lets just say its the onlyr eason why I want to snore my way through an enh shaman |
| 02:13.58 | KriLL3 | not that bad as feral, since I can charge, stun and generally annoy them, and we charge right back when they do their fart thing |
| 02:14.13 | KriLL3 | but on a ledge you can't reach they're super annoying |
| 02:14.27 | KriLL3 | a bit like hunters |
| 02:14.32 | Belazor | lumber mill in AB |
| 02:14.34 | Belazor | nuff said |
| 02:14.39 | KriLL3 | well I can charge back |
| 02:14.44 | Belazor | no you cant |
| 02:14.50 | KriLL3 | I can charge in mid air |
| 02:14.55 | Belazor | orly |
| 02:14.57 | KriLL3 | yrly |
| 02:15.00 | Belazor | nowai |
| 02:15.05 | KriLL3 | that's how we rawrbomb |
| 02:15.11 | Belazor | I fucking hate druids |
| 02:15.12 | Belazor | XD |
| 02:15.16 | Lysithea | alliance always get 16sieges instant on my realm aswell |
| 02:15.20 | KriLL3 | shift out of flightform in mid air, fall in bear/cat, charge before hitting the ground |
| 02:15.21 | Lysithea | horde never gets that |
| 02:15.26 | Lysithea | it's some alliance bug pretty sure |
| 02:15.31 | Belazor | resto druids in particular |
| 02:15.49 | KriLL3 | Lysithea: I've heard that, not sure though |
| 02:15.49 | Lysithea | friend on alliance side says that they port in, someone kills a npc or horde, whatever |
| 02:15.49 | KriLL3 | I should roll an alliance and check wtf they do |
| 02:15.49 | Lysithea | they only kill 1 |
| 02:15.53 | Lysithea | and get rank2 |
| 02:16.03 | KriLL3 | Belazor: I hate restos as well, always go for them |
| 02:16.20 | Belazor | is there a class that can solo a resto? |
| 02:16.26 | KriLL3 | well I hate all healers, always standing somewhere sneaky healing the damn guy I almost killed |
| 02:16.27 | Lysithea | resto what |
| 02:16.30 | Belazor | druid |
| 02:16.39 | Lysithea | dk cant die vs one |
| 02:16.44 | Lysithea | and druid should run oom eventually |
| 02:16.45 | KriLL3 | is there a class that can solo a fully pvp specced healer in nice gear, period. |
| 02:16.52 | Belazor | not before mates appear |
| 02:16.58 | Lysithea | ... |
| 02:17.04 | Lysithea | then it wouldnt be solo would it |
| 02:17.12 | Lysithea | thought we were talking 1v1 here |
| 02:17.19 | KriLL3 | I've seen 2x disc priests stand in the middle of a zerg without noticing |
| 02:17.20 | Belazor | nah BGs |
| 02:17.36 | Lysithea | well, duh, bgs are just a snore fest |
| 02:17.42 | KriLL3 | hp didn't go down, mana didn't go down |
| 02:17.55 | KriLL3 | with 7+ people hitting em |
| 02:18.08 | Lysithea | KriLL3 bgs and arenas are two very different thing |
| 02:18.09 | Lysithea | s |
| 02:18.15 | KriLL3 | well sure |
| 02:18.15 | Belazor | what I mean is, no class or spec can kill a healer when its just them pummeling the healer |
| 02:18.18 | Belazor | which is not cool |
| 02:18.26 | KriLL3 | but how would you kill 2x disc priests in an arena? |
| 02:18.30 | Lysithea | in arena I go oom before any other healer, and I do die before I go oom without peels vs certain classes |
| 02:18.37 | Lysithea | in bgs I can survive for ages |
| 02:18.56 | KriLL3 | I wish self healing in pvp had DM |
| 02:19.16 | KriLL3 | so people couldn't stand there and heal themselves to all day |
| 02:19.42 | Lysithea | uhm, so, basically, healers should just be easy targets for dps |
| 02:19.48 | KriLL3 | healing others? fine, people should kill healers first anyway, but some on, shouldn't be able to stand there forever |
| 02:20.12 | KriLL3 | well not too easy, but yeah they shouldn't be able to be hit by 2-4 dps without noticing |
| 02:20.14 | Lysithea | I cant stand there forever against, and heres the important part, equally geared and skilled dps |
| 02:20.40 | Lysithea | BGs is ilvl200 retarded keyboard turners trying to hit me while I run circles around them |
| 02:20.45 | Lysithea | it's a HUGE difference |
| 02:20.45 | KriLL3 | my gear is good, I'm quite skilled, but I can't simply output enough dps to compare with their healing, not consistently, only in bursts |
| 02:20.52 | KriLL3 | and I can't CC enough to stop em healing at all |
| 02:20.56 | Lysithea | what class are you |
| 02:21.00 | KriLL3 | feral druid |
| 02:21.34 | Lysithea | A feral druid eats me alive as disc, I might survive a while but I wont win |
| 02:21.42 | Lysithea | in arena Ill die fast without peels |
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| 02:22.00 | KriLL3 | that's enough in most situations, since your pet dps:ers kill me long before I've made you notice me |
| 02:23.15 | KriLL3 | that's my main problem, healers should be healers, yes they can heal themselves but not to the effect of being some kind of tank/damage spunge |
| 02:23.15 | Lysithea | then nobody would play a healer since you cant even keep yourself up |
| 02:23.17 | Lysithea | that'd be retarded |
| 02:23.34 | KriLL3 | you should be able to keep yourself up vs someone roughly the same skill & gear |
| 02:23.39 | KriLL3 | but not 5 |
| 02:23.52 | Lysithea | uh, I dont |
| 02:23.59 | Lysithea | if they're retarded I will |
| 02:24.17 | KriLL3 | not all of us got mortal strike or mana drain abilities |
| 02:24.22 | KriLL3 | or effective cc |
| 02:24.33 | Lysithea | do you honestly believe a interuppt -> nuke by 5people wouldnt kill a healer? |
| 02:24.42 | KriLL3 | not that stuns seem to make any kind of impression on most healers |
| 02:24.42 | Lysithea | and with 5people you do have that |
| 02:24.54 | KriLL3 | I've seen it happen time and time again |
| 02:24.57 | Lysithea | (that isnt retarded) |
| 02:24.57 | Lysithea | yes |
| 02:25.06 | Lysithea | with bluegeared people that got no clue |
| 02:25.26 | Lysithea | really, dont judge pvp and classbalance at all from bgs |
| 02:25.51 | Lysithea | so much stuff in bgs that isnt even on a even playing ground |
| 02:25.58 | KriLL3 | well it's like that in arenas also, we don't go for healers anymore |
| 02:26.01 | KriLL3 | we got for the dps |
| 02:26.04 | KriLL3 | and try to cc the healer |
| 02:26.10 | KriLL3 | works better than going for the healer |
| 02:26.28 | Lysithea | yes, cause going for the healer opens up the other teams dps to freely do stuff to you |
| 02:26.39 | Lysithea | when you couldve controlled the healer or interuppted him instead |
| 02:26.46 | KriLL3 | and the healer doesn't seem to notice you |
| 02:26.48 | Lysithea | that however also depens on setup and what you face |
| 02:27.04 | KriLL3 | I'm feral and my brother has an arms warrior |
| 02:27.06 | Lysithea | tsg for example got one goal vs priests |
| 02:27.16 | Lysithea | dg -> stangulate -> bladestorm -> win |
| 02:28.46 | KriLL3 | I don't see the big deal with bladestorm, it makes the warrior unable to do anything else until it stops or they remove it, they don't move faster than normal so you can outrun them and it's dps isn't that high |
| 02:29.01 | Lysithea | uh |
| 02:29.08 | Lysithea | 1 bladestorm on my priest drops me |
| 02:29.10 | KriLL3 | sure if you stun a bunch of guys and do it on top of them it's nice overall dps, but I don't think per target it's higher than just using attacks |
| 02:29.13 | Lysithea | if I dont use cds |
| 02:29.30 | KriLL3 | errm one bladestorm only removes 1/4 of my HP |
| 02:29.36 | KriLL3 | or less if I avoid it |
| 02:29.39 | KriLL3 | which is easy for me |
| 02:29.42 | Lysithea | uh, bladestorm hits me for 3.5k, crits upwards 5k on my priest |
| 02:29.46 | Lysithea | yeah you probably go bear right |
| 02:29.50 | Lysithea | I dont have that |
| 02:29.52 | KriLL3 | 1200~ in cat |
| 02:30.02 | KriLL3 | no, I usually run away in cat, or keep hitting in cat |
| 02:30.06 | Lysithea | then you've been facing some shitty warriors |
| 02:30.25 | KriLL3 | he had edge of ruin, and about the same armor as me |
| 02:30.30 | Lysithea | yeah |
| 02:30.32 | Lysithea | that's shitty gear |
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| 02:30.39 | KriLL3 | same armor as me is shitty? =P |
| 02:30.46 | Lysithea | edge of ruin |
| 02:30.47 | Lysithea | is |
| 02:30.59 | KriLL3 | isn't it the best non raid weapon there is for warriors? |
| 02:31.06 | steev | edge of ruin IS AWESOME |
| 02:31.09 | Lysithea | I dont know |
| 02:31.19 | steev | for those who can't get into raids/shitty rng luck |
| 02:31.23 | Lysithea | it's still shit compared to what warriors that are geared do |
| 02:31.38 | steev | Lysithea: thats.... pretty much everything though |
| 02:31.49 | KriLL3 | well duh, if they got weapons from 25 man uludar they paste you, but that's logical |
| 02:31.51 | steev | if you're wearing all 258, you're gonna roflstomp someone in 200 |
| 02:32.04 | Lysithea | yeah, and that's my point from the beginning |
| 02:32.11 | Belazor | gear makes too big of a difference in this game |
| 02:32.11 | steev | but supposedly, that matchup shouldn't be happening |
| 02:32.19 | Lysithea | that healer you saw "tanking" 5people was probably decked out |
| 02:32.22 | steev | at least, not in arenas |
| 02:32.36 | Belazor | and until pvp gear gets faceroll able like in 2.4, thats gonna be the cancer that kills wow pvp |
| 02:32.36 | KriLL3 | steev: pfft |
| 02:32.52 | Lysithea | Im at the mindset that discussing anything in pvp except for the latest seasons gear is just meaningless |
| 02:33.02 | Lysithea | and that's where it should be |
| 02:33.05 | KriLL3 | I hate that you need to do serious amounts of pve to be any good at pvp |
| 02:33.13 | Lysithea | since you shouldnt be balancing stuff 2seasons old |
| 02:33.21 | Lysithea | I dont pve |
| 02:33.23 | KriLL3 | and you get pvp gear faster from pve than pvp |
| 02:33.25 | Lysithea | And I do fine |
| 02:33.36 | KriLL3 | Lysithea: where did you get your weapon from? |
| 02:33.38 | Belazor | should balance the game so that gear augments your skill, not dictate it |
| 02:33.38 | Lysithea | pvp |
| 02:33.43 | KriLL3 | there are no pvp weapons |
| 02:33.48 | KriLL3 | except 1850+ rating |
| 02:33.48 | Lysithea | ... |
| 02:33.50 | Lysithea | yes? |
| 02:33.54 | steev | KriLL3: eh, im in mostly 245 gear |
| 02:33.58 | KriLL3 | so you used no weapon until then? |
| 02:34.00 | steev | i don't bother wearing pvp gear |
| 02:34.05 | Lysithea | some blue? |
| 02:34.23 | KriLL3 | Lysithea: weapon is most of your DPS for melee classes |
| 02:34.46 | Lysithea | yes but even 1800 is possible for anyone |
| 02:34.47 | KriLL3 | I'd be slightly less scary than a plastic duck if I had a blue weapon |
| 02:34.57 | KriLL3 | Lysithea: only if you're already in fairly good pvp gear |
| 02:35.25 | KriLL3 | and you need to spend months to get enough points to buy arena gear, but you can get it a lot faster from emblems |
| 02:35.25 | steev | Lysithea: the point is, pvp leveling is viable now - *having* to pve for a weapon is retarded |
| 02:35.42 | KriLL3 | and don't get me started on VoA |
| 02:35.59 | Lysithea | steev I agree that there should be an entry lvl pvp weapon |
| 02:36.07 | Lysithea | but even edge of ruin is viable up to 1800 |
| 02:36.11 | Lysithea | to get the next upgrade |
| 02:36.12 | KriLL3 | and it shouldn't be faster to get pvp gear in pve than pvp |
| 02:36.18 | Lysithea | or whatever comes from the next 5mans in 3.3 |
| 02:36.22 | steev | Lysithea: again, that *requires* pve |
| 02:36.42 | Lysithea | yes, and they wont ever seperate pve and pvp in wow completely |
| 02:36.43 | steev | you have only 1 chance per day |
| 02:36.45 | KriLL3 | I got marrowstrike this morning on my 43:th ToC HC run... |
| 02:36.46 | Lysithea | we all know that |
| 02:37.01 | KriLL3 | Lysithea: sure, but if you want to pvp make pvp the best way to do it, not pve |
| 02:37.20 | Lysithea | yes sure but why are we even debating this? |
| 02:37.31 | KriLL3 | takes 2-3 weeks per item via pvp, less than half that from pve emblems |
| 02:38.05 | steev | KriLL3: depends on how successful you are |
| 02:38.09 | Lysithea | My point was that healers should not get penilized for outgearing someone in bgs and "tanking" them since bgs cant be a factor to judge pvp balance from |
| 02:38.26 | Lysithea | I dont really care about where we get the gear from in that discussion |
| 02:38.33 | KriLL3 | steev: no not really, can't get more than 1500 rating in honor only pvp gear unless you're in a group with better geared people |
| 02:38.37 | steev | imo, bgs should be based on ilevel |
| 02:38.49 | steev | if you're wearing 245 gear, you're up against others in 245 gear |
| 02:38.50 | Lysithea | not ilvl |
| 02:38.52 | Lysithea | skill |
| 02:38.59 | Lysithea | which they're sort of doing in cataclysm |
| 02:39.01 | steev | you can't guess skill in battlegrounds |
| 02:39.03 | KriLL3 | how do you measure skill? |
| 02:39.35 | Lysithea | the do implement rated bgs in cata etc |
| 02:39.40 | steev | my dk has almost 28k hks - i know people who don't do shit except stand in the cave with 50k+ - who has more skill? |
| 02:39.41 | Lysithea | and fairly sure that wont be going by ilvl |
| 02:39.42 | KriLL3 | if they use the same system as the arenas get prepared to meet random groups in top gear while you're middling and they paste you in seconds |
| 02:40.15 | KriLL3 | always fun |
| 02:40.15 | Lysithea | the honor grind is just that, a thing to gear up for the "real pvp" to begin - the arenas |
| 02:40.24 | steev | not for me |
| 02:40.24 | KriLL3 | Lysithea: yes, but doing heroics is faster |
| 02:40.27 | steev | i hate dueling |
| 02:40.28 | Lysithea | arenas will hopefully not be the only playing field with rated bgs in next exp |
| 02:40.32 | steev | and thats all arenas are |
| 02:40.34 | KriLL3 | and in the arena doing raids is faster |
| 02:41.20 | KriLL3 | in 3.3 heroics drop triumph, which you can buy furious gear from |
| 02:41.45 | KriLL3 | while if you go arena you get 344 points a week, and you need 700 per item |
| 02:42.00 | Lysithea | I dont get this argument we're having here, it's a mmo, better gear will beat someone esle in equall skill, but if you want to be competitive in pvp you're most likely gonna have the same gear |
| 02:42.05 | KriLL3 | see why I'm annoyed? tons faster to go pve than pvp to get pvp gear |
| 02:42.23 | Lysithea | every piece Ive gotten has been purely from pvp or voa |
| 02:42.25 | KriLL3 | should be other way around, get pvp gear for pvping |
| 02:42.35 | KriLL3 | yes but you've been playing since forever |
| 02:42.42 | Lysithea | voa was 1pve leg part |
| 02:42.50 | steev | i wont waste badges on pvp gear |
| 02:42.57 | Lysithea | then dont |
| 02:43.01 | steev | ... |
| 02:43.05 | steev | i... don't |
| 02:43.25 | steev | nor do i need to, i do 1mil+ damage in wsg |
| 02:43.26 | Lysithea | I still dont understand why we're arguing gear |
| 02:43.40 | steev | Lysithea: because you keep going? |
| 02:44.14 | Lysithea | I wanted to make a point about healers and KriLL3 wanting a DR or something on a healer |
| 02:44.30 | KriLL3 | only on themselves, and not very drastic |
| 02:44.40 | KriLL3 | just enough that they can't tank forever |
| 02:44.44 | Lysithea | that would horribly kill healers |
| 02:44.46 | Lysithea | they cant |
| 02:45.14 | Lysithea | I cant tank a dps equally geared and skilled forever |
| 02:45.21 | KriLL3 | healers are supposed to be frail, that's why they have other guys around them that protect them they're not supposed to be the hardest to kill in the group |
| 02:45.24 | steev | if they'd add the hot removal of plague strike back, that would be fine enough for me |
| 02:45.30 | Lysithea | With a pillar vs a caster? sure |
| 02:45.57 | Lysithea | the thing is, there's so much support for those dpsers that the healers would die instantly in that case |
| 02:46.05 | Lysithea | rendering healers completely useless |
| 02:46.14 | KriLL3 | no not really |
| 02:46.18 | steev | Lysithea: there needs to be a middle ground |
| 02:46.36 | KriLL3 | and I just think it's stupid that I can't dent the hp of a healer while I can kill a tank spec guy in really nice gear |
| 02:46.39 | steev | i shouldn't be able to kill 3 dps WHILE attacking the healer - and only kill the dps |
| 02:46.45 | KriLL3 | takes forever, but it's possible |
| 02:46.49 | KriLL3 | healers simply aren't possible |
| 02:47.02 | Lysithea | then he outgears you |
| 02:47.06 | Lysithea | or you are doing something wrong |
| 02:47.21 | KriLL3 | I've met disc priests in about the same gear as me, can't do anything |
| 02:47.25 | steev | yeah, not having enough interrupts |
| 02:47.34 | KriLL3 | and said interrupts have DM |
| 02:47.43 | Lysithea | I met ferals, cant kill them, I run oom, I die |
| 02:47.44 | KriLL3 | and all healer specs have anti stun stuff |
| 02:48.04 | Lysithea | KriLL3 the thing that makes you stuggle is that you dont have a MS, but then again 1v1 isnt really what they balance for either |
| 02:48.10 | Lysithea | and shouldnt |
| 02:48.49 | KriLL3 | Lysithea: well sure, but why should there be only one way to kill a healer? |
| 02:48.56 | Lysithea | sigh |
| 02:49.04 | Lysithea | im not even going to continue this |
| 02:49.24 | KriLL3 | I don't mind that they can survive for 1-2 mins against me, but the fact that my stuns are useless at that point and their heals are the same is annoying |
| 02:51.27 | Lysithea | Im going to leave this discussion with this, a geared and equally skilled druid will kill me as disc, I might survive but I wont be able to tank him for ages since I'll eventually go oom. You probably have a gear issue either compared to him or outdated gear which is not balance in the current playing field, or he's simply more skilled |
| 02:52.12 | KriLL3 | has nothing to do with skill, I can't stop em from healing and I can't sustain enough dps to counter their healing |
| 02:52.42 | Lysithea | Then it's a gear issue I take it |
| 02:52.49 | Lysithea | anyway, gone watching series |
| 02:52.53 | Lysithea | this is going nowhere |
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| 07:41.13 | onaforeignshore | morning |
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| 08:00.38 | Wizardling | So Curse.com is still FUBARed when it comes to logging in |
| 08:00.50 | Wizardling | It's been over a year now I believe |
| 08:01.34 | Wizardling | In Firefox the login section of the page (that appears after clicking the login button) does not display |
| 08:02.02 | Wizardling | in Safari I'm both logged in yet still am shown the login fields which actually displays in Safari |
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| 08:08.08 | stolenlegacy | orionshock: ping |
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| 08:15.21 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r412 / (2 files in 1 directory): phishing update |
| 08:21.09 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude 04v4.0.1.5 * r413 : Tagging as v4.0.1.5 |
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| 08:31.21 | orionshock | stolenl|away: pong |
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| 08:33.07 | mitch0 | didum |
| 08:33.20 | mitch0 | anyone know of recent Fubar2Broker breakage? |
| 08:34.14 | orionshock | mitch0: ya they added a ? to the top of the file to make it not parse correctly.. that way people would stop using it & update ot ldb proper :) |
| 08:34.41 | mitch0 | hehe |
| 08:37.10 | orionshock | eh, Torhal / other git masters.. how do u rename a file? |
| 08:37.43 | sztanpet | just rename it and commit it |
| 08:37.50 | sztanpet | its smart |
| 08:39.43 | orionshock | hehe, ya, found the command tho git mv ./a ./b |
| 08:42.01 | winkiller | sztanpet: I'm not so sure it's so smart |
| 08:42.17 | winkiller | I've recently renamed and moved some PDFs and I always had a huge push |
| 08:42.33 | sztanpet | its not for binary content |
| 08:42.42 | winkiller | whereas at other times it seemed quite instant |
| 08:42.57 | winkiller | still, a simple md5/sha of the file would have indicated identity |
| 08:43.12 | sztanpet | if it did not change at all, it should have realised the rename |
| 08:43.23 | sztanpet | works for me anyway |
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| 08:46.10 | Repo | 10libquixote-2-0: 03kandarz * r83 LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: |
| 08:46.12 | Repo | LibQuixote-2.0: Check to see if old objectives exist before tying to update the objective. Fix provided by AZMAK at Wowinterface.com (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10905-EveryQuest.html#comments) |
| 08:48.59 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz 04r110-release * r110 : Grab latest LibQuixote |
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| 08:50.43 | asmodai | yawns |
| 08:59.51 | stolenlegacy | @describe browsetable |
| 08:59.54 | Repo | stolenlegacy: http://www.wowace.com/addons/browsetable/. BrowseTable. Allows the user to browse tables in a GUI |
| 08:59.55 | stolenlegacy | orionshock: ^ |
| 09:00.15 | stolenlegacy | you asked me to do it |
| 09:00.16 | stolenlegacy | :) |
| 09:01.52 | Repo | 10squire: 03Adirelle * r109 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added a binding. |
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| 09:07.36 | Repo | 10squire: 03Adirelle * r110 Core.lua: |
| 09:07.38 | Repo | Drycoded secure button SquireButton so one call use "/click SquireButton". |
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| 09:10.25 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/goblinvendorfilter/. GoblinVendorFilter. yssaril (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 09:10.26 | Torhal | Yssaril: About damn time. |
| 09:10.50 | Torhal | When you let Tekkub turn your experiment into GnomishVendorShrinker I was a bit upset that he didn't keep the filters :) |
| 09:12.15 | orionshock | stolenlegacy: one thing you probably didn't think to add, tho you might just have to reformat a function name or 3. But put in a way to where i can call the browser open on a table live with in my own code. kinda like calling DevTools_Dump(t) for debugging :) |
| 09:12.39 | orionshock | stolenlegacy: and nice addon too, we needed an update to tekkub's old tablet based table browser :) |
| 09:13.08 | stolenlegacy | i will prolly also make it windows-explorer-lookalike one time |
| 09:13.31 | stolenlegacy | oh, yeah |
| 09:13.35 | stolenlegacy | you can already open it from your code |
| 09:13.49 | stolenlegacy | BrowseTable.currtable = <table reference> |
| 09:14.00 | stolenlegacy | BrowseTable:UpdateTable() |
| 09:14.04 | stolenlegacy | LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0"):Open("BrowseTable") |
| 09:14.26 | stolenlegacy | but i can put that in a function |
| 09:14.37 | Torhal | stolenlegacy: MOAR screenshot. |
| 09:14.45 | stolenlegacy | Torhal: will do |
| 09:14.48 | Torhal | :D |
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| 09:17.10 | Repo | 10browsetable (experimental): 03stolenlegacy * r7 BrowseTable.lua: |
| 09:17.12 | Repo | BrowseTable:DirectOpenTable(table) to browse that table directly |
| 09:17.49 | stolenlegacy | there you go |
| 09:17.50 | Repo | 10browsetable (experimental): 03stolenlegacy 040.0.3-beta * r8 : Tagging as 0.0.3-beta |
| 09:26.48 | Shadowed | Haha, did you have that idea too Torhal? |
| 09:28.34 | stolenlegacy | Torhal: screenshot express |
| 09:30.10 | Torhal | Shadowed: No, I was making a joke since you said you'd already made it :) |
| 09:30.19 | Shadowed | ah :p |
| 09:30.44 | Torhal | $500 worth of points isn't anything to sneeze at :) |
| 09:30.54 | Torhal | Whatever the hell THAT expression means. |
| 09:32.11 | Torhal | stolenlegacy: Danke. |
| 09:33.48 | stolenlegacy | Torhal: gern |
| 09:33.55 | Shadowed | It's not, I wouldn't think Tuller would throw away basically $1000 |
| 09:34.18 | Torhal | Apparently he has the points to burn. |
| 09:34.51 | Shadowed | Not that I'm complaining obviously, just surprising |
| 09:35.01 | Torhal | Definitely |
| 09:35.37 | Mikk | huaaaaaa someone barfed all over my grid layout |
| 09:35.42 | Mikk | they're ubertall |
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| 09:37.05 | Fisker | ~seen tuller |
| 09:37.06 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@pool-72-84-246-12.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11h 6m 15s ago, saying: 'http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17426 :P'. |
| 09:37.17 | Fisker | what is it btw stolenlegacy ? |
| 09:38.00 | stolenlegacy | Fisker: what? |
| 09:38.06 | asmodai | So some people have been going nuts about http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Krag%27jin&cn=Swifty due to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuJmsQv6nM |
| 09:38.15 | Fisker | browsetable |
| 09:38.33 | Torhal | Fisker: Look at da screenie! |
| 09:38.53 | Torhal | That's why I requested it - to have a better idea of what exactly it did. |
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| 09:40.13 | Fisker | Yssaril btw |
| 09:40.27 | Fisker | does that addon of yours work with gnomishshrinkingvendor or whatever it's called? |
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| 09:41.00 | Fisker | @project browsetable |
| 09:41.02 | Repo | Fisker: http://www.wowace.com/addons/browsetable/. BrowseTable. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental needs final approval. stolenlegacy (Manager/Author). Updated: 22 minutes ago |
| 09:41.07 | orionshock | stolenlegacy: - fix the order of your toc file |
| 09:41.10 | orionshock | libs then addon |
| 09:41.25 | orionshock | and opt dep ace2 |
| 09:41.27 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.25 | stolenlegacy | orionshock: roger, will do |
| 09:42.56 | Fisker | ugh |
| 09:42.58 | Fisker | mark of the champion |
| 09:43.00 | Fisker | how i hate thee |
| 09:43.46 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03TrAsHeR * r2442 Locales/constants.fr.lua: frFR update |
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| 09:45.02 | Torhal | Fisker: It will as soon as I fix it. |
| 09:45.04 | Torhal | :D |
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| 09:45.34 | Fisker | ffffuuuu |
| 09:45.41 | orionshock | is there a new debug lib, a replacement for AceDebug2? |
| 09:46.34 | Torhal | orionshock: tekDebug, Spew... |
| 09:48.35 | orionshock | tekDebug prolly, spew is more like DevTools than AceDebug |
| 09:48.35 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r243 FlightHUD.lua: Continuing support for editable waypoints. |
| 09:49.46 | Torhal | orionshock: Was giving you a combination, actually :) |
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| 09:52.13 | orionshock | Torhal: nother question bout git, i think something went wrong when i imported the svn repo.. i've got all my tags listed under remotes/tags/<tagName> was it supposed to do that? |
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| 09:55.30 | Torhal | orionshock: No idea on a converted one. A git-from-scratch repo has .git/refs/tags/<tagname> |
| 09:56.20 | orionshock | humm... the handy linux shell command in the KB might not account for people that put a space in the tag name... |
| 09:56.24 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/browsetable/. BrowseTable. stolenlegacy (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
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| 09:57.35 | profalbert | spaces in tags are not allowed in git |
| 09:57.52 | Fisker | you are a bad man Yssaril |
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| 10:04.01 | orionshock | anyone here work with tooltips alot? |
| 10:04.23 | orionshock | I've read that tooltip:GetSpell() only works for things found in your own spell book.. |
| 10:04.42 | orionshock | but i've recently seen it return for anything spell related, anyone else notice this? |
| 10:08.22 | Repo | 10goblinvendorfilter: 03Torhal 07master * 0.1.1b-1-g2d17901 GoblinVendorFilter.lua: [+1 commit] Added temporary 3.2.2 compatibility check. |
| 10:08.48 | Torhal | !api GetSpell |
| 10:08.48 | lua_bot | Found 14 possible matches for 'GetSpell'. Please be more specific |
| 10:08.56 | Torhal | !api GameTooltip:GetSpell |
| 10:08.56 | lua_bot | GameTooltip:GetSpell: Returns information about the spell displayed in the tooltip (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/GetSpell) |
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| 10:09.41 | Torhal | Fisker: Ok, NOW it works with GnomishVendorShrinker. |
| 10:09.59 | Fisker | aabout time Torhal |
| 10:10.06 | Fisker | i waited like 20 minutes for that |
| 10:10.07 | Torhal | Not my project :P |
| 10:10.17 | Torhal | Bah, was doing other shit :P |
| 10:10.56 | Fisker | ;D |
| 10:11.02 | Fisker | well Yssaril should sue then |
| 10:11.13 | Torhal | I didn't tag, so it's an alpha :P |
| 10:11.19 | stolenlegacy | Torhal: *cookie* |
| 10:11.27 | Torhal | stolenlegacy: Hehe |
| 10:14.54 | Wobin | @describe goblinvendorfilter |
| 10:14.55 | Repo | Wobin: http://www.wowace.com/addons/goblinvendorfilter/. GoblinVendorFilter. Enables the filtering of items when you visit a vendor |
| 10:15.35 | Wobin | Torhal, suggestion? |
| 10:15.43 | Wobin | an option for "Can be worn by me" |
| 10:16.34 | Wobin | oh Yssaril |
| 10:16.34 | Wobin | sorry |
| 10:18.02 | Torhal | Wobin: I'm tempted to start hacking, but I wasn't given permission and I have shit of my own (that I'm neglecting) to work on. |
| 10:20.01 | Fisker | yes Wobin |
| 10:20.02 | Fisker | do want |
| 10:20.16 | Fisker | "can be worn" = "usable" probably :P |
| 10:22.12 | Torhal | He's going to refine it - he'd already written a similar AddOn, which Tekkub ripped up and loosely based GnomishVendorShrinker on...Tekkub left the filtering out, though. |
| 10:22.23 | Torhal | If you want to look, it's here: http://forums.wowace.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3461&d=1236309181 |
| 10:22.35 | Wobin | so this is the ripped up ripped up version? |
| 10:23.00 | Torhal | I believe this is a from-scratch reboot of the filter portion of the original AddOn |
| 10:24.12 | stolenlegacy | what arguments does an AceGUI ScrollFrame's SetScroll method expect? i'd assume "BOTTOM"/"TOP"/"RIGHT"/"LEFT"? |
| 10:24.16 | Torhal | The original has filtering by rarity, usable, equippable, and then armor types |
| 10:24.48 | Torhal | Never used AceGUI directly. Apparently it's somewhat of a sink-or-swim Black Art. |
| 10:26.15 | stolenlegacy | yeah, the documentation sucks |
| 10:33.46 | asmodai | Next96: but still, EUR 70 difference between low and high for KHX1600C8D3T1K2/4GX is just nuts |
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| 10:37.05 | Mikk | stolenlegacy: "the documentation is the source", hth, hand :P |
| 10:37.58 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: sigh |
| 10:38.12 | Fisker | so AMF is basically GVS? |
| 10:39.06 | Fisker | I was actually expecting the filter to be part of GVS though |
| 10:39.19 | Fisker | atleast that's what made sense to me |
| 10:40.46 | Torhal | Fisker: Yah, I dunno why Tekkub dropped that part |
| 10:43.34 | Mikk | he does that :P |
| 10:43.37 | Mikk | "i don't use this *drop*" |
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| 10:50.36 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 07master * v6.3.3d-beta-3-g8405935 SickOfClickingDailies_AltTracking/localizations (5 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] fix repo keywords in locale file, this should do the trick |
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| 10:58.42 | Mikk | @describe SickOfClickingDailies_AltTracking |
| 10:58.42 | Repo | Mikk: No project found that matches 'sickofclickingdailies_alttracking' |
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| 11:05.33 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 07master * v6.3.3d-beta-4-g99f3766 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] add ace3 as opt dep. Fix Ticket 47, make the quest scaner not have module options. see ticket for nil error fix |
| 11:05.52 | orionshock | hi Mikk |
| 11:05.59 | asmodai | Mikk: it was only a subdir of sick-of-clicking-dailies :P |
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| 11:10.40 | orionshock | Mikk: u like the AltTracking addition? |
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| 11:43.12 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2724 / (2 files in 1 directory): Moved some frame creation out of a do block. |
| 11:43.14 | Repo | In addon:Scan(): If the player knows the current profession (not linked), update the cached skill level. |
| 11:43.15 | Repo | In the NPC tooltip hook: Check to see if the character has equal or greater skill level to that required by the recipe - if not, don't show it. Also added the required skill level next to the recipe name in the tooltip. |
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| 11:46.18 | Mikk | orionshock: i dunno but i might! that's why i wanted to see what it is =) |
| 11:47.59 | asmodai | loves altoholic for alts |
| 11:48.43 | Mikk | well i have baggins for bags+bank, allplayed for money+rested, savedinstances for saved instances |
| 11:48.46 | Mikk | so really only missing daily tracking =) |
| 11:48.47 | orionshock | well Mikk asmodai the tooltip layout is not final... i want to change it to LibQTIp.. |
| 11:49.16 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2725 Docs/CHANGES.txt: Updated the changelog. |
| 11:49.23 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2726 Docs/CHANGES.txt: ...again. |
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| 11:51.55 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Really get the idea it's nigh impossible to get any GTX boards at the moment |
| 11:53.51 | asmodai | Guess I'll just endure with my 8800 until I can get my hands on a GTX or until some more concrete details on the Fermi 100/300 series emerges |
| 11:55.01 | Mikk | "endure with my 8800" as if that's bad in any way :P |
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| 11:58.21 | asmodai | Mikk: Not quite, I do however notice quite some fps drops @ 1920 x 1200 when a lot of stuff starts happening |
| 11:58.35 | asmodai | Mikk: But it's adequate enough to last me a few months more for sure. |
| 11:59.00 | asmodai | I love this whole AMD HD5870 delivery issue as well |
| 11:59.08 | asmodai | people here ordered end of September and are still waiting XD |
| 12:00.24 | Torhal | orionshock: What's stopping you? :) |
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| 12:25.42 | Repo | 10goblinvendorfilter: 03yssaril 040.1.2b * 0933a3c /: [new tag] Tagging as 0.1.2b (Thanks Torhal totaly forgot about 3.2 compat) |
| 12:26.34 | Wobin | pst Yssaril |
| 12:26.53 | Yssaril | ho wobin |
| 12:27.10 | Wobin | did you see my suggestion earlier for GVF? |
| 12:27.44 | Yssaril | wearable/usable? yea gonna work on it some more after work |
| 12:28.24 | Wobin | awesome |
| 12:28.30 | Yssaril | anyways need to go to woork later guys |
| 12:34.12 | orionshock | Torhal: time to do it & understand the libqtip docs |
| 12:36.09 | Torhal | Aha |
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| 12:38.45 | Fisker | nooo Yssaril |
| 12:38.53 | Fisker | or actually "yaaaaay" |
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| 12:50.13 | asmodai | And Wobin's here. |
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| 12:51.14 | Fisker | well that's just silly asmodai |
| 12:52.23 | asmodai | What is? |
| 12:52.39 | Wobin | I'm totally not going to be here soon |
| 12:53.16 | Wobin | we really need a link to the post a ticket page on the curse pages |
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| 12:57.25 | asmodai | Wobin: How so? |
| 12:58.09 | Wobin | cause there's no direct way to bugreport from that page? |
| 12:58.56 | asmodai | Ah ok |
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| 13:07.26 | Mikk | Well Curse doesn't exactly want to assume that everyone uses wowace/curseforge, I'd guess |
| 13:07.32 | Mikk | Just add it in the description |
| 13:07.43 | Mikk | tis what i do |
| 13:08.30 | Wobin | yeah, I have it in there atm, I might make it a bit more obvoius |
| 13:08.32 | Wobin | obvious |
| 13:08.40 | Torhal | Mikk: I think Wobin wants a shiny "CLICK HERE TO TALK RETARDED" button. |
| 13:08.47 | Wobin | duh =) |
| 13:09.05 | Repo | 10browsetable: 03stolenlegacy * r9 / (4 files in 1 directory): Complete revamp using AceGUI-3.0 instead of AceConfig-3.0 |
| 13:09.38 | Torhal | He performed Voodoo! |
| 13:10.08 | Repo | 10browsetable: 03stolenlegacy 040.1.0-beta * r10 : Tagging as 0.1.0-beta |
| 13:10.21 | stolenlegacy | orionshock: re-done in AceGUI |
| 13:10.26 | stolenlegacy | should look a lot better now |
| 13:10.33 | asmodai | Torhal: Which links to an IRC private session with Fisker? XD |
| 13:10.56 | Kalroth | You wouldn't click that button! |
| 13:11.02 | asmodai | heh |
| 13:11.12 | Torhal | asmodai: No, that would be a "CLICK HERE TO GO INSANE!" button. |
| 13:11.33 | stolenlegacy | is there any up-to-date version of PowerAuras? |
| 13:11.34 | Megalon | no, the fisker button would read |
| 13:11.47 | Megalon | "CLICK HERE TO TALK _TO_ A RETARDED" |
| 13:11.50 | Kalroth | "Click here for addon support .. OR TO WIN $200!!" |
| 13:11.56 | quiescens | could you not simply put multiple captions on the button? |
| 13:11.56 | Torhal | Megalon: Ohyeahrite |
| 13:12.54 | Mikk | "Which links to an IRC private session with Fisker? XD" <- YOU SIR ARE A GENIOUS |
| 13:12.58 | Torhal | stolenlegacy: Nein. Shadowed is supposed to be making his own non-global-namespace-polluting-and-actually-kinda-efficient version, though. |
| 13:13.10 | asmodai | "CLICK HERE TO ORDER A 1000 LITERS OF MILK" ? |
| 13:13.18 | stolenlegacy | Torhal: /cry |
| 13:13.23 | Torhal | "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!" |
| 13:13.24 | asmodai | Mikk: :D |
| 13:13.29 | stolenlegacy | *clicks* |
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| 13:14.43 | Fisker | my feet are cold asmodai |
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| 13:21.02 | Repo | 10handy-notes_vendors: 03zarevak * r64 / (3 files in 2 directories): split filters into World Map filter and Minimap Filter |
| 13:22.08 | Fisker | gives asmodai a milk transfusion |
| 13:23.00 | Repo | 10handy-notes_vendors: 03zarevak 04v1.2.0 Release * r65 : Tagging as v1.2.0 Release. New filter options! |
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| 13:32.33 | asmodai | Fisker: a 1000 liters of it? |
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| 13:39.06 | Fisker | would have to check with my supplier |
| 13:39.14 | Fisker | goes to the bathroom and talks to himself in the mirror |
| 13:39.16 | Fisker | yep asmodai |
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| 13:45.19 | asmodai | still finds that quit funny |
| 13:47.31 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 07master * v6.3.3d-beta-5-g145bcfc / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] make ldb more consistant |
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| 13:57.03 | mitch0 | hrmp |
| 13:57.17 | pentium166 | wump |
| 13:57.32 | mitch0 | virus scanner found my putty.exe infected and killed all my running sessions then removed my putty |
| 13:58.01 | mitch0 | nevermind I had bigass delete sql running in one of them... |
| 13:58.15 | pentium166 | and it wasn't in screen? :| |
| 13:58.20 | mitch0 | now it is :) |
| 13:58.40 | mitch0 | anyway, anyone got some first-hand experience with running outlook in wine? :) |
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| 14:05.55 | Funkeh` | ouch |
| 14:06.02 | Funkeh` | fps suck |
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| 14:33.27 | orionshock | stolenlegacy: ping / hint: local t = loadstring("return "..input); if type(t) == "function" then t = t() end |
| 14:34.13 | orionshock | stolenlegacy: round line 111 in browetable |
| 14:34.21 | stolenlegacy | t will ALWAYS be a function |
| 14:34.28 | stolenlegacy | simply because loadstring returns a function |
| 14:34.36 | orionshock | re read that |
| 14:34.46 | stolenlegacy | i know |
| 14:34.53 | stolenlegacy | but the if is unneccesary |
| 14:35.09 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.17 | stolenlegacy | t=loadstring("return "..input)() |
| 14:35.28 | stolenlegacy | a lot easier this way |
| 14:35.30 | orionshock | stolenlegacy: your implying that a load string always returns a function in this case. |
| 14:35.38 | orionshock | and that is a false assumption. |
| 14:35.47 | nevcairiel | lua> loadstring("return syntax_error(") |
| 14:35.49 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: nil, [string "return syntax_error("]:1: unexpected symbol near '<eof>' |
| 14:36.01 | nevcairiel | returns nil |
| 14:36.03 | nevcairiel | not a function |
| 14:36.13 | stolenlegacy | ah |
| 14:36.29 | stolenlegacy | right, if the user enters an invalid string it returns nil |
| 14:36.29 | krka | it's nil or a function... and nil is typically an error case you want to deal witgh |
| 14:36.30 | stolenlegacy | true that |
| 14:37.06 | mitch0 | I can use pcall to shield my addon from other addon's fail, right? |
| 14:37.22 | orionshock | and this still holds, as the user might be passing a string instead of the intended table |
| 14:37.32 | orionshock | mitch0: yes |
| 14:37.37 | stolenlegacy | local f, error = loadstring("return "..input) if type(f) == "function" then f = f() else print("Error: "..error) end |
| 14:38.03 | orionshock | stolenlegacy: don't have to go that far, just the existing checks work |
| 14:38.03 | mitch0 | orion: how much of a performance hit does it cause? (pcall) |
| 14:38.15 | orionshock | mitch0: varies |
| 14:38.33 | nevcairiel | try to avoid pcalling if its not necessary |
| 14:38.47 | orionshock | if the function your calling has args to it then you have to use pcall (sorta) or if there are no args then xpcall |
| 14:39.06 | mitch0 | it has args |
| 14:39.19 | mitch0 | OnEnter/OnLeave mainly |
| 14:39.38 | mitch0 | seems that fubar2broker or some other broken plugin breaks my ldb display |
| 14:39.44 | orionshock | mitch0: as nevcairiel said; however a rule of thumb, if it's not your code that you control pcall is always nice |
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| 14:41.06 | mitch0 | so, given that I only intend to pcall tooltip show/hide stuff (in an ldb display), I shouldn't be much concerned about performance, right? |
| 14:41.09 | orionshock | nevcairiel: did you guys do a study about CBH's methods vs just use pcall instead? just the casual glance at how CBH avoids using pcall seems a bit much. |
| 14:41.41 | nevcairiel | just pcall cuts off the stack trace |
| 14:42.00 | nevcairiel | which isnt nice |
| 14:42.10 | orionshock | true |
| 14:42.53 | mitch0 | well, I don't get a stack trace in error reports anyway, just that "bazooka is all broken" |
| 14:45.02 | Repo | 10browsetable: 03stolenlegacy * r11 BrowseTable.lua: You can now browse function returns |
| 14:45.04 | Repo | [/browse func()] |
| 14:45.05 | Repo | Fixed the delete button |
| 14:45.20 | Repo | 10browsetable: 03stolenlegacy 040.1.1-beta * r12 : Tagging as 0.1.1-beta |
| 14:45.32 | stolenlegacy | there you go, orion |
| 14:46.48 | krka | ... how often does your user write scripts? i bet the time that takes is a billion times higher than running a pcall |
| 14:47.33 | orionshock | stolenlegacy: also the buttons for functions, while args are nice.. a simple print("<somePrefix>", func() ) would be good :) |
| 14:48.21 | orionshock | krka: i believe that mitch0 is talking about an LDB display and a stray glitch with broker2fubar :) |
| 14:48.23 | stolenlegacy | orionshock: fine |
| 14:49.06 | krka | i am not convinced that it's ever a good idea to recompile user input strings unless they've actually changed |
| 14:49.17 | Mikk | well... re CBH: no, we're not very keen on changing the way it does its calls. only seeing the callstack leading up to CBH is near useless. |
| 14:50.18 | Mikk | gifv xpcall with parameters already :( |
| 14:50.45 | Mikk | having said all this, the method used in CBH might look big and "codey", but it's really fairly efficient |
| 14:50.54 | Mikk | yeah we fiddle a bit with locals but... |
| 14:51.08 | Mikk | it's a far sight faster than what WoW has to do to fire events |
| 14:51.30 | Mikk | (like.. oh.. forcibly set 20 global variables (==table lookups) for every callout) |
| 14:52.27 | Mikk | (did i mention that they have to do that for OnUpdates too?) |
| 14:53.41 | krka | i thought they were moving towards getting rid of those globals |
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| 14:55.57 | orionshock | Mikk: ... actually the blizzard event handler is faster than cbh. I've tested.... |
| 14:56.30 | Mikk | Oh? Interesting. Spill details =) |
| 14:56.53 | orionshock | well... maybe a bias and bad test... |
| 14:57.22 | Mikk | Cause I've been thinking about putting a test together with like 1k frames with OnUpdate scripts |
| 14:57.26 | Mikk | and clocking start to finish |
| 14:57.29 | Mikk | just haven't gotten around to it |
| 14:57.32 | orionshock | however there was one thing i noticed. AceEvent3 vs a standalone event dispatcher with SOCD, the standalone frame was 10x faster... |
| 14:57.49 | Mikk | SOCD? |
| 14:57.56 | Mikk | oh sickof |
| 14:57.56 | orionshock | SickOfClickingDailies |
| 14:58.10 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 14:58.21 | Mikk | erm how did you clock that? |
| 14:58.41 | orionshock | with a stand alone frame, i never say any of blizzard's frames for quests... with aceevent3 i saw them on the screen for a half a second. |
| 14:58.58 | Mikk | eeeeeehhhh |
| 14:59.04 | orionshock | like i said, bad test.. i never bothered to clock it.. |
| 14:59.12 | Mikk | so you're claiming that CBH takes half a second to deliver a single event? =P |
| 14:59.18 | Mikk | locking up the CPU for the duration? =P |
| 14:59.43 | Mikk | i'd be looking elsewhere for an explanation to that |
| 14:59.52 | orionshock | I am not a programmer.. but the heuristics check out. |
| 14:59.56 | Mikk | on they do not |
| 14:59.57 | mitch0 | some bucketing/throttling happening somewhere? |
| 15:00.24 | Mikk | realize that CBH is sitting around delivering hundreds of events per second during normal gameplay |
| 15:00.31 | stolenlegacy | is there a way to make an AceGUI button respond to other clicks except left click? |
| 15:00.31 | Mikk | if what you said was true, we would have an FPS of about 0.001 |
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| 15:00.40 | Mikk | so, the heuristics do not check out :P |
| 15:00.41 | orionshock | stolenlegacy: no |
| 15:00.51 | stolenlegacy | orionshock: *cries* |
| 15:00.53 | mitch0 | mikk: that's why it sucks that it gets bundled up with the first addon that instantiates it :) |
| 15:01.06 | mitch0 | (with regards to cpu profiling stuff :) |
| 15:01.19 | Mikk | maybe i should get around to my clocking |
| 15:01.29 | Mikk | should be an interesting exercise |
| 15:01.43 | Mikk | i don't think anyone has ever done anything to clock blizzard code speed before |
| 15:02.10 | orionshock | Mikk: eh.. well... consider this. the frame events are designed to handle "/one/ particular line of logic". That's how blizzard's entire UI is laid out. CBH is setup for handling several seemingly unrelated lines of execution. |
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| 15:02.32 | Repo | 10browsetable: 03stolenlegacy * r13 BrowseTable.lua: |
| 15:02.34 | Repo | print() the results of executed functions instead of simply executing them. |
| 15:02.38 | Mikk | Yes but your claim that CBH introduces half a second of delay is ludicrous |
| 15:02.50 | Repo | 10browsetable: 03stolenlegacy 040.1.2-beta * r14 : Tagging as 0.1.2-beta |
| 15:02.55 | Mikk | WoW is not multithreaded |
| 15:02.56 | orionshock | and idiots often chain the event processing though CBH a few times |
| 15:03.00 | Mikk | It's single threaded |
| 15:03.13 | Mikk | Get event -> look in table -> call your function |
| 15:03.16 | Mikk | If that takes 0.5 seconds. ... |
| 15:03.22 | Mikk | I think you can imagine what'd happen to the FPS |
| 15:03.42 | Mikk | I don't deny that you saw delays in your addon |
| 15:03.48 | orionshock | i've seen alot of strange things with using CBH. |
| 15:03.54 | Fisker | hurr hurr Mikk dick |
| 15:03.56 | Mikk | But whatever was the cause, it was not CBH taking 0.5s to deliver an event |
| 15:04.05 | stolenlegacy | orionshock: there ya go |
| 15:04.12 | orionshock | stolenlegacy: thx |
| 15:04.48 | orionshock | Mikk: well .5 is an over estimation, i'll give that. but i will say there is a bit of lag with using cbh than a standard frame & Ace1 style handler |
| 15:05.05 | Mikk | you should stop saying that |
| 15:05.12 | Mikk | because it's so wrong it's not even funny |
| 15:05.16 | nevcairiel | CBH does not add any noticeable delay |
| 15:05.22 | orionshock | Mikk: what part? |
| 15:05.27 | Mikk | we're talking microseconds of induced delay here |
| 15:05.28 | Mikk | not milli |
| 15:05.30 | Mikk | micro |
| 15:05.39 | nevcairiel | all it does is one table lookup and a xpcall to your function |
| 15:05.51 | nevcairiel | thats it |
| 15:06.00 | Gagorian | I've never used curse client so can anyone tell me if it has a setting not to update to betas that are for the next toc version? |
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| 15:06.21 | orionshock | ok... |
| 15:06.24 | Mikk | Gagorian: no, only selection between release/beta/alpha |
| 15:06.31 | nevcairiel | i think it just updates if the user wants beta |
| 15:06.34 | nevcairiel | no matter what toc |
| 15:07.17 | Gagorian | Mmkay. Could be useful to make that distinction though, as the beta for the next toc might not work at all |
| 15:07.26 | Mikk | Use release then ;) |
| 15:07.33 | Gagorian | But I guess they can blame themselves for using beta |
| 15:07.34 | Gagorian | :p |
| 15:07.37 | Mikk | exactly |
| 15:07.44 | nevcairiel | thats why i dont release betas anymore befoer the patch launch |
| 15:07.46 | nevcairiel | screw ptr users |
| 15:08.00 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2727 / (2 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 15:08.02 | Repo | In addon:addTradeAcquire(): Added location lookup for reputation vendors. |
| 15:08.03 | Repo | Re-wrote CheckMapDisplay() for clarity, and added support for reputation vendors. |
| 15:08.04 | Repo | In addon:SetupMap(): Changed maplist so its key is the acquire entry rather than the entry's ID, and its value is true rather than the acquire type - this allows reputation vendor support. Also changed some code for clarity/efficiency, changed concatenation to Printf(), and added support for instance coordinates. |
| 15:08.05 | Repo | Added x and y coordinates (mostly 0,0 - save for Magister's Terrace which has proper coords and the correct continent) to the entries in INSTANCE_LOCATIONS. |
| 15:08.19 | Mikk | damn you're rewriting a lot in that addon Torhal |
| 15:08.27 | stolenlegacy | @project xperl |
| 15:08.28 | Repo | stolenlegacy: http://www.wowace.com/addons/xperl/. X-Perl UnitFrames. Game: WoW. Zeksie (Manager/Author). Updated: 48 days ago. Tickets: 51/319 |
| 15:08.31 | nevcairiel | he factors all the ackis out |
| 15:08.35 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 15:08.47 | stolenlegacy | does anyone know if zeksie knows that xperl's target frame is completely broken on PTR? |
| 15:08.56 | orionshock | Torhal: convert to git, you'll prolly feel better at night. |
| 15:09.04 | Fisker | i think someone assassinated him stolenlegacy :( |
| 15:09.13 | Gagorian | Convert to git, and back to svn. Twice for good measure. |
| 15:09.21 | stolenlegacy | mutilates Fisker |
| 15:09.38 | stolenlegacy | Gagorian: a.k.a. pull a SharedMedia? |
| 15:09.57 | stolenlegacy | had to waste the precious commit #700 on that shit :( |
| 15:10.11 | Gagorian | Well at least you got 800 |
| 15:10.14 | Gagorian | ! |
| 15:10.25 | stolenlegacy | haha, yea |
| 15:10.45 | Gagorian | I wonder what I'm up to, hummm |
| 15:11.02 | Gagorian | 1153, I see. |
| 15:11.05 | Torhal | orionshock: I'm using git-svn for ARL until I can be arsed to properly convert it (with full commit history and such) |
| 15:11.53 | Gagorian | I don't seriously want Cataclysm to come any time soon, that'd fuck up DrDamage completely :D |
| 15:11.56 | Torhal | Mikk: I call it OCD. |
| 15:12.45 | Megalon | http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20091205TDY02307.htm |
| 15:12.56 | Megalon | haha, nice hand |
| 15:12.58 | Megalon | literally |
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| 15:22.22 | asmodai | That biometric system is quite easy to use and cute in typical Japanese style. |
| 15:22.33 | asmodai | Had the pleasure of using it begin of November |
| 15:23.03 | Torhal | The sad thing is that all of this code overhauling started when I went into ARL to backport some shit I re-wrote for Collectinator. Now, I have to backport all of that . |
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| 15:32.39 | nevcairiel | so i was browsing for a cpu cooler today, and in the process found this awesome new case from corsair .. i've been seriously considering to spend the Ć¢ĀĀ¬200 for it some time |
| 15:32.46 | nevcairiel | but then 200 just for a case |
| 15:32.57 | genetik- | what case is that? |
| 15:33.14 | nevcairiel | http://www.corsair.com/products/800d/default.aspx |
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| 15:33.23 | genetik- | sleek |
| 15:33.35 | nevcairiel | it doesnt look like much on the first images, but the insides are so awesome |
| 15:34.14 | nevcairiel | check that build log for their system using that case |
| 15:34.18 | nevcairiel | the cable management is just sick |
| 15:34.25 | genetik- | yeah, that's awesome |
| 15:35.18 | nevcairiel | sata backplane is <3 too |
| 15:36.31 | genetik- | i recently replaced my old full tower for my home computer with a plain old antec nine-hundred mid-tower |
| 15:36.44 | nevcairiel | i have an antec 300 right now |
| 15:36.48 | nevcairiel | its all i really need |
| 15:36.52 | nevcairiel | but that case still makes me want it |
| 15:37.05 | genetik- | funny thing is, aside from not as much room to play with as far as cable management goes, it has all the functionality of the full tower |
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| 15:37.08 | genetik- | heh |
| 15:37.29 | nevcairiel | the 300 is rather tiny inside, its so cramped with my 5 hdds and one optical |
| 15:38.56 | genetik- | i'm not sold on it having better air flow, though |
| 15:38.56 | genetik- | since the power supply cables occupy most of the bottom of the case |
| 15:38.56 | genetik- | i couldn't figure out a way around that, though |
| 15:39.46 | steev | get a modular power supply |
| 15:40.14 | genetik- | modular as in able to remove unused cables? |
| 15:40.20 | ramoz | nevcairiel: man - it's HUGE |
| 15:40.27 | steev | ... yes |
| 15:40.31 | nevcairiel | i have a modular one, but for real comfort i would also need to be able to shorten the cables |
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| 15:42.03 | Stanzilla | he doesn't use thermal grease in that video :O |
| 15:43.09 | Torhal | you wouldn't use thermal grease Fisker |
| 15:43.30 | Fisker | no you are a corsair |
| 15:43.55 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: that cooler has some kind of fabric you attach to the copper plating that replaces the grease |
| 15:44.08 | Stanzilla | mkay |
| 15:44.08 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: http://www.corsair.com/_images/systembuild/1099104/8124%20Cooling%20Block%20with%20TIM%20Uncovered.jpg |
| 15:44.30 | Stanzilla | oh cool |
| 15:44.53 | Fisker | http://lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=258&cl_index=1&sc_index=25&ss_index=61 <-this is a case |
| 15:45.15 | nevcairiel | thats a nice concept anyway, a pre-filled close-system aqua cooling |
| 15:45.25 | Fisker | Why they consider that behemoth a htpc case i don't know |
| 15:45.31 | Fisker | but it's better than corsair |
| 15:46.20 | Fisker | wtf is that like mATX? |
| 15:46.42 | Fisker | "If you don't use mATX, then this case sucks" |
| 15:46.49 | Fisker | could they just as well had said |
| 15:46.51 | Fisker | have* |
| 15:47.27 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Mmm, so no more thermal paste with that cooler? |
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| 15:49.08 | steev | Fisker: wtf. that case you linked... |
| 15:49.10 | steev | TYR PC-X2000 separated the system into three zones, allow batter air flow for better silent performance. |
| 15:49.20 | steev | i *never* batter my computers |
| 15:49.25 | Gagorian | I do |
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| 15:49.56 | Fisker | hoho steev |
| 15:49.58 | Fisker | engrish ftw |
| 15:51.03 | stolenlegacy | 500 Internal Server Error when i try to access my tickets page |
| 15:51.04 | stolenlegacy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.05 | stolenlegacy | y |
| 15:51.13 | Stanzilla | I like the corsair one better tbh :o |
| 15:51.22 | nevcairiel | me too |
| 15:51.26 | nevcairiel | but its so expensive |
| 15:51.41 | nevcairiel | i would love to get that case and that psu and possibly even that cpu cooler .P |
| 15:51.48 | Stanzilla | yeah^^ |
| 15:52.07 | Fisker | looks rubbish to me |
| 15:52.08 | Fisker | ;3 |
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| 15:52.24 | Fisker | Most of the cable management system only seems available using mATX |
| 15:52.38 | steev | There is a washable air filter in the front, it can easy remove, no tool required, and it is washable. |
| 15:53.17 | Fisker | neat with the optical drive mounting |
| 15:53.34 | nevcairiel | http://www.corsair.com/_images/systembuild/1099104/Main%20Page%20Skull%20n%20System.jpg <-- my systems never look that organized <.< |
| 15:54.02 | Mikk | they hide the mess behind the backboard |
| 15:54.05 | Mikk | cheating bastards |
| 15:54.17 | nevcairiel | but its good! |
| 15:54.25 | nevcairiel | everything free for airflow |
| 15:54.25 | krka | pretty! |
| 15:54.35 | krka | that's like bender-porn |
| 15:54.39 | Mikk | begs the question just how free the airflow needs to be though |
| 15:54.43 | Mikk | haha krka |
| 15:55.02 | Mikk | i mean when you get past flat ata cables |
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| 15:55.07 | Mikk | there's not really much obstruction anymore |
| 15:55.11 | nevcairiel | I wonder if the cables on my PSU would be long enough to go all behind the back |
| 15:55.29 | nevcairiel | like say to a top optical drive |
| 15:55.50 | Mikk | well |
| 15:55.59 | Mikk | i have my PC a long way away from the desk |
| 15:56.02 | nevcairiel | what i really love in that case is the sata backplane anyway |
| 15:56.10 | Mikk | so i just have a USB CD-ROM under the monitor |
| 15:56.12 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 15:56.23 | nevcairiel | the sata cables are really a mess in my case right now |
| 15:56.31 | freakynl | nevcairiel: you can just extend powercords w/o any risk... the data cables however, now that's another story :) |
| 15:56.40 | nevcairiel | the drives are like next to the sata connectors on the board |
| 15:56.44 | nevcairiel | but the cables are still long :P |
| 15:56.47 | Mikk | hehe |
| 15:57.12 | nevcairiel | plus that the case is so tiny, that i dont have space to just hide the cables |
| 15:57.13 | nevcairiel | mmm |
| 15:57.19 | nevcairiel | maybe i should invest next month =P |
| 15:57.57 | Stanzilla | he left out the nastiest cables in that video, power button etc, or did I just miss it? |
| 15:58.19 | krka | CD-ROM has gone the way of the floppy disk |
| 15:58.20 | nevcairiel | in the photo of the assembled comp they are attached |
| 15:58.24 | krka | it's dead and it aint coming back |
| 15:58.32 | nevcairiel | Mikk: i have a bluray drive now, doubt USB can do the bandwidth |
| 15:58.43 | Mikk | ah |
| 15:58.52 | krka | just put a CD-ROM drive in _one_ of the networked computers and just copy it if the need should arise |
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| 15:59.56 | nevcairiel | maybe i should just get a bigger case in general, doesnt have to be that one |
| 16:00.00 | pentium166 | i use non-networked windows 3.1 and 98 computers connected to plotters all the time, floppy disks are unfortunately not dead to me yet :( |
| 16:00.02 | nevcairiel | just so i can store cables better |
| 16:03.33 | freakynl | pentium166: erhm iek |
| 16:06.22 | Mikk | huaaaa 3.1 still |
| 16:06.27 | Mikk | that's quite a feat |
| 16:06.30 | Mikk | i thought it wasn't even y2k safe |
| 16:06.32 | Mikk | :P |
| 16:06.42 | nevcairiel | haha thats what i thought |
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| 16:08.43 | Torhal | Mikk: Believe it or not, during the whole Y2K craze, 3.1 received patches. Hell, in 2000, I was doing tech support for new printers on 3.1 and MSDOS 6.2 |
| 16:08.55 | Mikk | shit |
| 16:08.55 | pentium166 | the clock on it says 12/7/09 :p |
| 16:09.27 | nevcairiel | they actually patched 3.1? wow |
| 16:09.31 | Mikk | and i thought i was the curmudgeon here |
| 16:10.03 | freakynl | pentium166: err that ain't that hard. with a y2k computer it just means 12/7/1909 :P |
| 16:10.05 | Mikk | but i had actually moved on to nt4 by the time y2k rolled around |
| 16:10.27 | nevcairiel | i was probably using 95 or 98 |
| 16:10.29 | Mikk | i only recently went from win2k to xp though =) |
| 16:11.01 | Mikk | (and the only reason for THAT was because my midi keyboard driver refused to work properly in win2k) |
| 16:11.07 | Mikk | (assholes) |
| 16:11.16 | freakynl | Mikk: you mean to tell you need to test for 8 years on an OS that's targeted support plan is 5 years? (and yes they extended it a couple of times) |
| 16:11.45 | Mikk | shrug, we do at work :P |
| 16:11.53 | Mikk | though we dumped 95 a while ago |
| 16:12.12 | freakynl | Mikk: you run wow at 320x240@8bit color with 3 fps or what? :P |
| 16:12.12 | nevcairiel | anyone that still supports pre-win2k architecture is just nuts |
| 16:12.59 | Mikk | aaaaaand there's the comment that shows that you know nothing about where performance comes from |
| 16:12.59 | Mikk | do you seriously think wow runs slower on older windows? |
| 16:13.25 | freakynl | Mikk: no, but since you didn't upgrade to xp you probably have 9 year old hardware |
| 16:13.31 | Mikk | hell no |
| 16:14.01 | Mikk | i just don't see the point in upgrading for the sake of upgrading |
| 16:14.11 | Mikk | all that gets you is buggy betaware that won't work right until servicepack 2 |
| 16:14.41 | nevcairiel | Win7 is actually vista-reloaded, so it isnt affected by that rule =) |
| 16:14.46 | freakynl | err sure... i've been in it for 12 years. xp was the most stable, win7 seems to gonna beat it. it usually comes down to drivers |
| 16:14.52 | Mikk | yeah win7 is basically a vista servicepack |
| 16:15.03 | freakynl | win98 is flat out garbage, win 2000 lacks support for a lot of things |
| 16:15.08 | Mikk | freakynl: 15 here ;) |
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| 16:15.31 | nevcairiel | winxp was only really stable for me when i started using the x64 version |
| 16:15.42 | nevcairiel | the kernel was more stable |
| 16:15.55 | Mikk | i sincerely doubt the kernel goes kapow on its own |
| 16:15.58 | Mikk | it's drivers |
| 16:15.58 | freakynl | omg and only just came of 2000? :P. i shouldn't really speak tho' i run illegal xp for games use gentoo for the rest hehe |
| 16:16.19 | nevcairiel | Mikk: i guess it was just more resilient then |
| 16:16.20 | Mikk | freakynl: well @work is a different story |
| 16:16.51 | nevcairiel | or due to being derived from the server kernel requires more carefully written drivers |
| 16:17.14 | freakynl | hope so, anything older than 2000 is a huge security risk by now |
| 16:17.51 | freakynl | nevcairiel: drivers always need to be written carefully. you want a stable system in both situations. in desktop you can do with hardware failures sooner, but you want software failures on neither |
| 16:17.53 | Mikk | did i mention that i work in itsec and won't trust a windows computer further than i can toss it? |
| 16:18.21 | freakynl | heh openbsd user? :P |
| 16:18.25 | Mikk | yes, i know all about software vulnerabilities. hell i've written my fair share. |
| 16:19.02 | Mikk | nah, just segment internal networks appropriately |
| 16:19.09 | Mikk | if something is really really sensitive |
| 16:19.12 | Mikk | it doesn't get to speak internet |
| 16:19.13 | Mikk | tough |
| 16:19.17 | Mikk | solve surfing & mail another way |
| 16:21.16 | Mikk | "other ways" may include, depending on sensitivity, terminal server windows, or simply a keyboard/monitor switch |
| 16:21.21 | Mikk | PCs are cheap these days |
| 16:21.27 | pentium166 | urk, the other designer's computer has ie6 on it still |
| 16:21.32 | Mikk | especially if all they need to handle is web & mail |
| 16:22.49 | freakynl | vm's are nice as well :) |
| 16:23.07 | FtH|Daemona | uhm is there a way to see who removed you from a raid group? |
| 16:24.12 | Mikk | freakynl: yeah that can be a nice compromise |
| 16:24.35 | Mikk | assuming users do what you tell them |
| 16:24.39 | Mikk | and not what they think is easiest |
| 16:24.42 | Mikk | (hahahahahaaaaaa) |
| 16:24.56 | nevcairiel | like that will happen |
| 16:25.29 | Mikk | i sandbox at home but i trust myself to not cheat :P |
| 16:25.30 | nevcairiel | although stuff like VMWare Unity can help there |
| 16:26.21 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r6831 / (2 files in 2 directories): koKR Update |
| 16:26.48 | freakynl | gotta run ttyl :) |
| 16:27.49 | Repo | 10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r252 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: |
| 16:27.51 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
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| 16:28.04 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
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| 16:48.21 | Mikk | SO... callback costs |
| 16:48.41 | Mikk | A simple function that does GetTime() and stores the result in "self" costs 0.33us on my machine |
| 16:48.52 | Mikk | Now, creating 20k frames with OnUpdate handlers |
| 16:48.56 | Mikk | And clocking time from first to last |
| 16:48.59 | nevcairiel | hands Mikk a ĆĀµ |
| 16:49.12 | Mikk | I arrive at the complete cost per callback is 1.35us |
| 16:49.25 | Mikk | Meaning it costs 1 microsecond in blizzard code per frame |
| 16:50.29 | Mikk | Now to clock what a CBH callout costs |
| 16:50.31 | nevcairiel | 1.35us for firing all 20k callbacks, or what? |
| 16:50.36 | Mikk | nono |
| 16:51.07 | Mikk | 0.027 seconds to fire all 20k callbacks |
| 16:51.10 | nevcairiel | oh 1.35 per OnUpdate call, more or less? |
| 16:51.21 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.26 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.33 | nevcairiel | ah. |
| 16:51.34 | Mikk | And my code takes 0.33us |
| 16:51.35 | nevcairiel | okies |
| 16:51.51 | Mikk | (Including the function call and passing a self parameter) |
| 16:52.02 | Mikk | So 1us spent outside luaspace per frame |
| 16:52.30 | Mikk | goes to tickle CBH |
| 16:53.49 | Mikk | Another relevant point from my tests |
| 16:54.00 | Mikk | Start with my normal addon set: ~350 fps with UIParent hidden |
| 16:54.15 | Mikk | Add another 20k frames WITHOUT an OnUpdate handler set: 150 fps |
| 16:54.29 | nevcairiel | 350fps ? are you looking at some wall? |
| 16:54.31 | Mikk | So those frames actually cost a bit of CPU even though they're not displaying anything useful |
| 16:54.33 | Mikk | yes |
| 16:55.30 | Mikk | and if i :Hide() all those frames i get my fps back |
| 16:55.45 | nevcairiel | even though UIParent was hidden? |
| 16:55.53 | Mikk | they're not parented |
| 16:55.56 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 16:55.59 | Mikk | on purpose so i could do this test |
| 16:56.12 | nevcairiel | where does the fps go if you simply unhide uiparent? |
| 16:56.15 | nevcairiel | without the 20k |
| 16:56.31 | Mikk | i dont have a lot of addons on this dev toon |
| 16:56.41 | Mikk | but it goes from 350 to 300 |
| 16:56.45 | Mikk | or did you mean with frames shown? |
| 16:56.49 | Mikk | my frames* |
| 16:56.59 | nevcairiel | nah just the base ui |
| 16:57.20 | nevcairiel | but good to know that hiding frames restores the fps |
| 16:57.25 | Mikk | yeah 350 alt+z:d staring into this wall. 350 with ui shown. |
| 16:57.29 | FtH|Daemona | uh do i hear "massive fps gains" if that went into ui development? ;) |
| 16:57.34 | Mikk | er 300 with ui shown |
| 16:57.41 | Mikk | FtH|Daemona: eh no |
| 16:57.44 | Mikk | i'm staring at a wall |
| 16:57.54 | Mikk | and the frames i'm toying with are ... numerous |
| 16:57.58 | Mikk | 20000 of them to be exact |
| 16:58.03 | arkanes | pretty clear that it walks the list of UI frames every rendered frame, even if there's no handlers attached |
| 16:58.12 | Mikk | arkanes: yes |
| 16:58.19 | Mikk | it's not a HUGE impact, but it does touch them |
| 16:58.28 | Mikk | (unless they're hidden) |
| 16:58.31 | arkanes | but frames that cannot do anything are probably rare enough that it's not worth optimizing for |
| 16:58.47 | nevcairiel | so hide event handler frames ;) |
| 16:58.54 | nevcairiel | unless you need them for OnUpdate |
| 16:58.55 | Mikk | yes |
| 16:59.08 | Mikk | i should wiki this somewhere |
| 16:59.18 | nevcairiel | anyway carry on with CBH |
| 16:59.21 | Mikk | aye |
| 17:00.15 | Fisker | CBH? |
| 17:00.24 | Torhal | Fisker: CallbackHandler |
| 17:00.47 | arkanes | thats somethign thats bothered me about some of the libraries I've seen |
| 17:00.56 | Fisker | baw |
| 17:01.03 | Torhal | And methinks I should switch to a compiled distribution...most I ever get is 100FPS and that's rarely, in Undercity, with my level 1 AH toon that is barely running any AddOns at all |
| 17:01.04 | arkanes | they seem to assume it's more efficient to have a single frame with an OnUpdate handler and then do dispatch from lua |
| 17:01.17 | Fisker | you wouldn't! |
| 17:01.32 | Torhal | I think I should get more with a 9800GTX+ and a 3.1GHz CPU |
| 17:01.58 | arkanes | theres lots of things that affect FPS besides addons |
| 17:02.01 | nevcairiel | the clock of the CPU doesnt really specify its speed anymore |
| 17:02.15 | nevcairiel | well to some extend, but not generation-wise |
| 17:02.25 | Torhal | Athlon x2 64 |
| 17:02.47 | nevcairiel | my current cpu has 2.66ghz, my new one will have 2.8 .. and still its going to be alot faster |
| 17:03.22 | Mikk | heh |
| 17:03.27 | nevcairiel | but what would the distribution change in that Torhal? |
| 17:03.33 | Mikk | total time spent per callback = ~0.7 us including my function call |
| 17:03.38 | Mikk | so about 0.3us |
| 17:03.42 | Mikk | for CBH overhead |
| 17:04.00 | Mikk | so... "raw" event = 1us, CBH=0.3us |
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| 17:04.11 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Compiling everything specifically for my machine rather than running a general-purpose compile should give a bit of a boots. |
| 17:04.14 | nevcairiel | so that is even proof that its more efficient to let CBH do it then creating your own frame? |
| 17:04.17 | Mikk | meaning that if an event is received by more than 2 addons, it's a CPU gain |
| 17:04.17 | Torhal | s/boots/boost/ |
| 17:04.28 | nevcairiel | Torhal: only marginally, its overrated |
| 17:04.35 | Mikk | nevcairiel: with 2 or more addons yes |
| 17:04.41 | arkanes | I find that astonishing :( |
| 17:04.53 | Mikk | arkanes: what? |
| 17:05.06 | nevcairiel | Torhal: I use Gentoo, but mainly for the full customization, not because i think its faster |
| 17:05.09 | arkanes | Mikk: that doing event dispatch in lua beats having the UI code do it |
| 17:05.18 | Mikk | remember that blizzard event handlers need to run around and set 20 odd global variables |
| 17:05.19 | Mikk | per callout |
| 17:05.27 | Mikk | which CBH doesn't need to do |
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| 17:05.44 | Mikk | and that the cost of doing so from C is pretty much the same as doing it from Lua |
| 17:06.04 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Then I wonder where my bottleneck is. I'm getting vastly lower frame rates than other people using comparable hardware |
| 17:06.16 | Mikk | Torhal: too many addons =) |
| 17:06.31 | nevcairiel | Torhal: install windows, check performance? just for comparison, etc :P |
| 17:06.31 | Torhal | Mikk: I only get a 20FPS boost when I turn everything off |
| 17:06.45 | arkanes | I sync my framerate to my refresh rate and I don't get a significant FPS hit from addons |
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| 17:06.56 | Mikk | it's mostly visible in raids tbh |
| 17:06.56 | Torhal | Eh, not wiping my install just to test that. |
| 17:07.00 | arkanes | loading times are a different story :( |
| 17:07.02 | nevcairiel | I run on vsync too, 60fps everywhere |
| 17:07.10 | nevcairiel | only in big aoe events i go down to 40 or so |
| 17:07.11 | nevcairiel | in raids |
| 17:07.11 | Belazor | Mikk: SpecialEvents-Loot-1.0-90216:157: First argument of handler() must be a string, was a nil - |
| 17:07.12 | Belazor | SpecialEvents-Loot-1.0-90216:210: in main chunk <-- only addon that uses this is XLoot, which you're on the author list of, therefore this is your fault. Government paid assassins are already on their way, so sit back and enjoy your last few moments on Earth. Or you can fichs it! =O |
| 17:07.13 | Mikk | i can hit 10 fps in some disgusting raid fights |
| 17:07.19 | Mikk | with everything on |
| 17:07.55 | Mikk | Belazor: you're aware that the alpha of xloot is for 3.3 yeah? |
| 17:08.00 | Torhal | I'm sometimes at 12FPS in Dalaran. Max at around 30 with everything off. |
| 17:08.01 | Belazor | no :p |
| 17:08.01 | Torhal | Weird. |
| 17:08.03 | Belazor | I am now |
| 17:08.04 | Belazor | XD |
| 17:08.15 | arkanes | Dalaran lag is mostly due to network issues |
| 17:08.26 | nevcairiel | that wouldnt give you low fps, though |
| 17:08.31 | nevcairiel | the lag is another thing |
| 17:08.35 | Torhal | Aye |
| 17:08.38 | Belazor | It doesn't matter anyway, the addon works fine after I emptied the bugsack, just thought it was something else :p |
| 17:08.39 | arkanes | the netcode is synced to the render loop |
| 17:08.56 | nevcairiel | nah its not, i sit in dalaran with fine fps and i still experience the lag |
| 17:09.15 | arkanes | talking about different things, I think |
| 17:10.26 | nevcairiel | i talk about people not showing up, bank and mailboxes not showing contents for a while, etc .P |
| 17:10.29 | arkanes | the FPS drop from flying into dalaran is from the memory pressure & disk IO of loading all the people there |
| 17:11.02 | arkanes | mailbox & vendor lag is probably from network congestion from it sending you all that character data |
| 17:12.06 | arkanes | and of course in a populated zone there's just more things to render |
| 17:14.13 | arkanes | do I see from that that someones taken over dev of xloot again? |
| 17:14.30 | nevcairiel | probably just emergencys fixes like always |
| 17:15.36 | Fisker | so any 3.3 news on the us realms yet? |
| 17:16.10 | nevcairiel | tomorrow is maintenance day, fail Fisker |
| 17:16.17 | Fisker | i know fail nevcairiel |
| 17:17.21 | nevcairiel | want my new hardware, noaw |
| 17:17.48 | Fisker | i agree |
| 17:18.00 | Fisker | but now means you either got a last-gen nvidia card or a shitty ati card |
| 17:18.01 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:18.25 | durcyn | 'shitty' and 'ati' in the same sentence are redudant |
| 17:18.29 | nevcairiel | yeah gfx is currently a bit screwed |
| 17:18.37 | nevcairiel | funny thing is, cant even get the latest ati card either |
| 17:20.44 | pentium166 | i thought their new cards were supposed to be pretty good |
| 17:21.08 | pentium166 | 5870/5850 at least |
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| 17:21.17 | FtH|Daemona | good thing is though, you don't need a good gfx for wow *cough* |
| 17:21.20 | nevcairiel | the 5870 isnt available anywhere :) |
| 17:21.28 | durcyn | you're missing the point |
| 17:21.36 | durcyn | they're _ati_, which means the drivers are total gobshite |
| 17:21.42 | nevcairiel | true |
| 17:21.56 | FtH|Daemona | though the 3 screen feature is nice :/ |
| 17:22.07 | FtH|Daemona | gimme 3x 2560x1600 prttyplx |
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| 17:26.54 | Fisker | Not to mention the like -4 billion income they had this year |
| 17:27.45 | doobius | what is the point of CreateDispatcher in CBH? |
| 17:28.03 | Fisker | Only thing keeping them afloat is intel's settlement money |
| 17:28.22 | Fisker | which apparently made sense for intel since they were afraid of more antitrust cases with amd out |
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| 17:32.42 | doobius | is it because there's overhead with ...? |
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| 17:39.55 | Mikk | doobius: it's because you cannot pass parameters to xpcall() |
| 17:40.09 | Mikk | and pcall() isn't good enough because you don't get a stacktrace of what happens inside the pcall |
| 17:43.28 | Fisker | why even play? :( |
| 17:43.37 | Fisker | icecrown is so laggy i can't kill anyone doing chillmaw |
| 17:45.48 | doobius | oh i see |
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| 18:02.04 | Primer | Can macros not handle apostrophes? |
| 18:02.29 | Primer | /castsequence reset=10 Satrina's Impending Scarab, Heart of Iron <-- hates it |
| 18:02.44 | ulic | I think they can, I'm pretty sure "Nature's Swiftness" has one and I use that. |
| 18:03.05 | Gnarfoz | it's not "impending" |
| 18:03.19 | Primer | wow |
| 18:03.24 | Mikk | haha |
| 18:03.25 | Primer | I re-read it like 10 times too |
| 18:03.38 | Mikk | damn i've been reading "impending" all this time too |
| 18:03.57 | Gnarfoz | just shift-klick the item while the macro editor is up, it copies the name in ;) |
| 18:04.12 | Repo | 10speedyactions: 03Shadowed 07master * 1.6-release-2-g566a1fe / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Removed additional support for BindPad, Tageshi added native support for this in 2.2.1: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6385-BindPad-GUItosetkeybindingsforspellitemmacro.html#info |
| 18:04.24 | Gnarfoz | <3 SEO URLs... |
| 18:04.27 | Primer | I could have swornd I tried that once too |
| 18:05.38 | Gnarfoz | so Shadowed |
| 18:05.40 | Primer | just not my day today |
| 18:05.46 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz? |
| 18:06.40 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: did you get my rant about QA seemling cancelling the same auctions over and over again, even though the AH situation didn't change in the meantime? |
| 18:06.47 | Shadowed | probably not |
| 18:07.02 | Gnarfoz | (yesterday, I think, it was addressed to (at?) you, i.e. it should have highlighted you) |
| 18:07.19 | Shadowed | I must have missed it |
| 18:07.38 | Gnarfoz | let me dig it up |
| 18:08.57 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: http://paste.wowace.com/1499/ |
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| 18:10.11 | Shadowed | Is it saying each time that it's due to the price gap that it cancels? |
| 18:10.15 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 18:10.20 | Gnarfoz | exactly the same values |
| 18:10.27 | Shadowed | What are the numbers it reports |
| 18:10.36 | Shadowed | (Going out to get food, will be back in ~30) |
| 18:10.48 | Gnarfoz | I'll have to reproduce it to get you exact values, not sure if I can get it to ^^ |
| 18:11.02 | Gnarfoz | because you can't copy the log :X |
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| 18:21.33 | MysticalOS | yay for 100% drycoded bossmods, i don't suppose anyone has any combatlogs for Toravon? |
| 18:28.35 | winkiller | I've never even heard that name |
| 18:28.53 | arkanes | new VOA boss in 3.3 |
| 18:29.11 | winkiller | oh |
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| 18:29.17 | winkiller | but.. there are no wings? |
| 18:29.31 | arkanes | theres another one |
| 18:29.56 | arkanes | a new added, I mean, it's off from the path leading to koravon |
| 18:30.07 | pentium166 | i wanted stairs, dammit |
| 18:30.08 | arkanes | er, archavon |
| 18:30.16 | arkanes | titans don't use stairs |
| 18:30.36 | pentium166 | teleporters, then |
| 18:30.43 | winkiller | well, I'll see :) |
| 18:30.59 | arkanes | I think one big room with a console that you use to summon each watcher would be best |
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| 18:33.36 | winkiller | randomly :P |
| 18:34.24 | Megalon | yea |
| 18:34.30 | Megalon | a 50% chance to summon each one |
| 18:34.35 | winkiller | of 4? |
| 18:34.36 | winkiller | nice |
| 18:34.37 | winkiller | :) |
| 18:34.38 | Megalon | independantly :p |
| 18:35.13 | Megalon | or like beasts heroic |
| 18:35.24 | Megalon | one encounter, each spawns on timer/death of previous |
| 18:35.33 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:35.41 | pentium166 | with no dropping combat in between |
| 18:36.00 | Megalon | or vanilla 4hm style |
| 18:36.01 | nevcairiel | or just long enough to try starting to ressurect, just to be canceld again :P |
| 18:36.04 | Megalon | where the ghosts remain |
| 18:36.05 | Megalon | ;D |
| 18:36.19 | nevcairiel | vanilla 4hm was so evil |
| 18:36.38 | pentium166 | our disc priest can get his rez down really fast |
| 18:36.41 | KriLL3 | is there some kind of reason why rogue's only contributions in pvp consists of ganking lone players every couple of mins when they got all of their cooldowns, which they need to finish players during stuns? |
| 18:36.57 | nevcairiel | thats just how rogues roll |
| 18:37.29 | KriLL3 | I'm feral, not too different from rogues, but I grind my way through multiple opponents at once / in short succession, I don't hide somewhere everytime I got a cooldown |
| 18:37.30 | pentium166 | my favourite is the poorly-geared rogue |
| 18:38.02 | pentium166 | who can't actually kill anyone 1 on 1 but forces you to sit there for two minutes trying to kill him so you can get on with whatever you were doing |
| 18:38.03 | nevcairiel | ferals and rogues just share energy and combo points, everything else is completly different |
| 18:38.22 | KriLL3 | well we're both bursty melee classes |
| 18:38.30 | KriLL3 | though we can turn into a semi warrior and heal somewhat |
| 18:38.50 | Mikk | one with shitloads of stuns and incapacitates |
| 18:38.50 | Mikk | the other one goes tank |
| 18:38.53 | Mikk | QUITE different :P |
| 18:39.00 | nevcairiel | ferals can't stun as evil as rogues |
| 18:39.06 | nevcairiel | so their game play isnt centered around that |
| 18:39.07 | KriLL3 | well in pvp spec and gear bearform isn't very good |
| 18:39.30 | KriLL3 | I only go bearform as a last resort vs multiples, or vs warriors |
| 18:39.43 | KriLL3 | after starting in cat and applying as many bleeds as I can |
| 18:40.17 | KriLL3 | rake + rip + lacerate = sad warrior |
| 18:40.36 | nevcairiel | yeah warriors hate bleed |
| 18:40.44 | nevcairiel | armor? i dont care |
| 18:40.46 | KriLL3 | and our bleeds can crit |
| 18:40.57 | KriLL3 | and I got 47% crit =P |
| 18:41.30 | KriLL3 | rake + rip usually spells curtains for warriors I meet, I just run away and wait for them to die |
| 18:41.31 | nevcairiel | bleed crit is an awesome talent |
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| 18:42.03 | nevcairiel | though rake isnt affected by it |
| 18:42.36 | KriLL3 | true, but it's a bleed and it costs little energy |
| 18:42.47 | asmodai | nevcairiel: saw the Brink vids? |
| 18:42.57 | nevcairiel | no, what is it? |
| 18:43.04 | asmodai | http://www.gametrailers.com/game/brink/11373 |
| 18:43.14 | nevcairiel | I love how they buffed rake for 3.0, before no-one ever used it |
| 18:44.24 | nevcairiel | i miss playing my feral |
| 18:44.29 | nevcairiel | maybe i should really level a new druid |
| 18:46.51 | nevcairiel | asmodai: man the movement looks awesome |
| 18:47.28 | nevcairiel | although the shadows could use some work ;) |
| 18:47.43 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Pretty interesting game so far |
| 18:48.26 | asmodai | The class switching is funny too |
| 18:48.35 | nevcairiel | its just a fps, right? |
| 18:49.45 | nevcairiel | or does it have some mmo aspect that i missed so far? :p |
| 18:50.19 | asmodai | some rpgish |
| 18:50.36 | asmodai | You can switch classes, get xp, is what I saw so far |
| 18:50.45 | asmodai | some people said Borderlands has something like it |
| 18:50.46 | Megalon | so a bit like borderlands |
| 18:51.20 | KriLL3 | haven't tried borderlands yet |
| 18:52.24 | nevcairiel | neither have i |
| 18:52.32 | nevcairiel | i dont even know anything about it short of the name |
| 18:52.38 | asmodai | colleague plays it, loves it |
| 18:52.41 | fewyn | There's an addon that I can't think of the name of that tells you where and what pets/mounts you're missing. But I can't think of the name. |
| 18:52.51 | fewyn | any ideas? |
| 18:52.55 | Pneumatus | collectinator |
| 18:53.00 | Pneumatus | one of ackis's abominations |
| 18:53.02 | fewyn | that's it! |
| 18:53.07 | Lysithea | heh, so, a friend is trying to send a file to me but we go problems coming up with ways to do it that isnt taking ages |
| 18:53.14 | Lysithea | dcc in irc doesnt work for him |
| 18:53.31 | Lysithea | msn is fucked up and gives us 2kb/sec |
| 18:53.43 | Lysithea | uploading to some site would take too long |
| 18:53.55 | Lysithea | wtf, why isnt there some super easy way for me to get a file from him :( |
| 18:54.02 | nevcairiel | asmodai: the whole objective system seems nice, but not sure how it will work out .. those systems are usually somewhat difficult to do properly |
| 18:54.07 | Lysithea | im probably missing something obvious |
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| 18:55.58 | winkiller | Lysithea: netcat |
| 18:56.22 | winkiller | nc -v -w 30 -p 5600 l- > filename.back |
| 18:56.28 | winkiller | nc -v -w 2 10.0.1.1 5600 < filename |
| 18:56.53 | winkiller | there has to be some netcat for windows, if that is the problem :P |
| 18:57.02 | nevcairiel | asmodai: but 8 player coop sounds awesome already |
| 18:57.14 | winkiller | l- => -l ;) |
| 18:57.36 | winkiller | or get some cheapass ftp-server |
| 18:57.40 | winkiller | like filezilla |
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| 18:59.08 | Lysithea | yeah |
| 18:59.09 | Mikk | Lysithea: skype and make sure your port is contactable |
| 18:59.12 | Lysithea | doing that now |
| 18:59.14 | Mikk | then it's direct transfer |
| 18:59.56 | Mikk | Opera Unite would probably work a charm |
| 19:00.05 | Mikk | But then you'd have to run Opera |
| 19:00.19 | Mikk | And 9 out of 10 people go "ew it's not mozilla" |
| 19:00.32 | durcyn | mozilla has become the thing it hates |
| 19:05.20 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Which mem modules did you order? T1 or the normal ones? |
| 19:05.28 | nevcairiel | normal |
| 19:05.56 | asmodai | been thinking of just ordering it from this one shop which charged the lower price |
| 19:06.05 | asmodai | no way in hell I'm paying EUR 40 per set more |
| 19:06.14 | nevcairiel | yeah thats just an evil price |
| 19:06.29 | nevcairiel | i paid 110 with shipping now |
| 19:06.36 | asmodai | naise |
| 19:06.50 | Shadowed | Huh, is there a reason that the hook would decline a commit saying it can't find a repo... when the repo exists? |
| 19:07.01 | nevcairiel | whats the exact error? |
| 19:07.05 | Shadowed | error code 1 |
| 19:07.14 | nevcairiel | no text error msg? :P |
| 19:07.34 | Shadowed | Your .pkgmeta file is invalid: |
| 19:07.35 | Shadowed | Git repository not found: 'git://git.wowace.com/wow/libhealcomm-4-0/mainline.git' |
| 19:08.09 | Shadowed | and LHC4 repo is definitely git://git.wowace.com/wow/libhealcomm-4-0/mainline.git which matches it |
| 19:08.47 | nevcairiel | hm i think the git daemon died |
| 19:08.54 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: poke |
| 19:09.08 | Shadowed | At least git daemon died, not repo? :D |
| 19:09.59 | nevcairiel | apparently |
| 19:11.27 | Lysithea | heh |
| 19:11.35 | Lysithea | didnt get it to work with ftp either |
| 19:11.38 | Lysithea | skype worked tho |
| 19:12.45 | nevcairiel | I has mail from "The WoW Dev Team" on the PTR, wonder whats in there |
| 19:13.09 | asmodai | tell us , tell us! |
| 19:13.16 | Shadowed | It's the 5th year stuff nev |
| 19:13.20 | nevcairiel | ah bah another anniversary drake |
| 19:13.46 | nevcairiel | and i thought they maybe responded to my bug report |
| 19:13.47 | Primer | they send you stuff for testing now? |
| 19:14.03 | KriLL3 | is there an addon out there that makes your bar buttons' tooltips show their actual damage, based on gear and glyphs etc? |
| 19:14.31 | arkanes | KriLL3: dr damage, which I thought was unmaintained but I see commits for in this channel |
| 19:14.52 | Primer | yeah, Gagorian's been maintaining it |
| 19:14.58 | winkiller | damn, you're fast arkanes :P |
| 19:15.03 | Primer | all dry coded too, according to him |
| 19:15.21 | arkanes | winkiller: years of IRC experience! |
| 19:15.25 | KriLL3 | dry code is the best code, I don't like soggy code |
| 19:15.31 | winkiller | or maybe because I was grabbing a snack |
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| 19:20.26 | KriLL3 | winkiller: grabbing a snack in the middle of a high speed IRC convo? shame on you, focus! |
| 19:21.22 | winkiller | I wasn't part of it |
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| 19:28.20 | Gagorian | Shadowed: LHC-4.0 has Ebon Poison set as 75% reduction but it's 25%, not that anyone cares |
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| 19:33.17 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://paste.wowace.com | http://lua.org | Curse Client v4: http://clientupdate.curse.com/setup.exe | http://wowace.com/a/author-store-is-launched | Want your Username changed? http://www.wowace.com/request-name-change/ |
| 19:35.01 | Fisker | TULLER |
| 19:35.04 | Fisker | raaaaaageeeeeeee |
| 19:35.25 | Shadowed | Tuller you make Fisker rage, I approve |
| 19:35.35 | Tuller | waffles? |
| 19:35.40 | Fisker | waffles indeed |
| 19:36.00 | Fisker | if you use hand of reckoning on targets out of combat it shows some random cooldown timer |
| 19:36.05 | asmodai | Everything makes Fisker rage |
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| 19:36.36 | Tuller | and how does this involve me? :P |
| 19:36.52 | Fisker | it must be your fault |
| 19:36.56 | winkiller | every addon should really have some "annoy fisker" routine hardcoded |
| 19:37.07 | Fisker | well i'm sure suf already has |
| 19:37.11 | winkiller | PlayerUnitName()?==Fisker's alt => fun |
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| 19:39.39 | Tuller | also, does me adding a "show recall" and "show totems" thingy to the dominos totems bar help people's complaints at all? |
| 19:39.54 | Shadowed | probably not |
| 19:39.57 | Shadowed | people always compplain |
| 19:40.44 | Fisker | btw Tuller |
| 19:40.54 | Fisker | the swirling cooldown thingy is still correct |
| 19:41.00 | Fisker | which is why i thought you had something to do with it |
| 19:42.10 | winkiller | Shadowed: better than no feedback at all imo :P |
| 19:42.22 | winkiller | GIVE ME SWIRLYBALL |
| 19:43.36 | Fisker | yes winkiller |
| 19:43.37 | Fisker | DO IT |
| 19:43.58 | Fisker | http://i50.tinypic.com/6on775.png <-example |
| 19:44.09 | Shadowed | I wonder how much I could kill performance by manually tracking snowflakes |
| 19:44.09 | Gagorian | Shadowed: Another observation, this one isn't so definite. You've set Essence of the Blood Queen to add 100% healing, but most references I see to it only add 100% damage. |
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| 19:44.48 | Shadowed | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?spell=70949 |
| 19:45.07 | Gagorian | I found one all the buffs listed on wowhead to increase healing, but the rest only has damage. Then I looked up a few guides to the boss and all talk only about damage |
| 19:45.26 | Shadowed | Must have changed then, removing |
| 19:45.48 | Gagorian | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?npc=38004 / http://www.wowwiki.com/Blood-Queen_Lana%27thel_%28tactics%29 |
| 19:45.57 | Gagorian | I might obviously be wrong as I haven't tested it but seems so |
| 19:46.06 | Fisker | do it Shadowed |
| 19:46.08 | Fisker | or Tuikku |
| 19:46.10 | Fisker | Tuller |
| 19:46.11 | Fisker | one of you |
| 19:46.16 | Shadowed | do what |
| 19:46.46 | Fisker | http://i50.tinypic.com/6on775.png <-this is not correct! |
| 19:46.46 | Megalon | there are two spells with that name |
| 19:46.47 | Megalon | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?spell=70949 |
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| 19:47.20 | Megalon | and http://ptr.wowhead.com/?spell=71531 |
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| 19:47.28 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1154 / (3 files in 2 directories): - Added some healing buffs and debuffs |
| 19:48.04 | Repo | 10libhealcomm-4-0: 03Shadowed 07master * 1.5.4-release-7-g27b5e14 LibHealComm-4.0.lua: [+1 commit] Removed Essence of the Blood Queen, no longer gives +100% healing |
| 19:48.06 | Megalon | i think the 5min version only when you are overtaken |
| 19:48.54 | Megalon | or mindcontrolled etc. whatever happens when you don't what counters |
| 19:49.13 | Megalon | s/don't what/don't do what/ |
| 19:49.18 | Megalon | it |
| 19:49.20 | Megalon | ffs ;D |
| 19:49.20 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: poke |
| 19:49.49 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: i think the git daemon died |
| 19:50.43 | Fisker | there was a man in my house |
| 19:50.49 | Kaelten | try again |
| 19:51.01 | Kaelten | @project MrHat |
| 19:51.04 | Repo | Kaelten: http://www.wowace.com/addons/mrhat/. MrHat. Game: WoW. Hindrian (Manager/Author). Updated: 413 days ago |
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| 19:51.17 | Kaelten | wow it's 413 days old? |
| 19:51.39 | Kaelten | his repo is messed up :/ |
| 19:52.04 | nevcairiel | git.wowace.com[0: 69.57.184.216]: errno=No error |
| 19:52.04 | nevcairiel | fatal: unable to connect a socket (No error) |
| 19:52.07 | Tuller | Fisker: to me that means what is being passed to the frame is not correct :P |
| 19:52.07 | nevcairiel | no deal :) |
| 19:52.45 | Fisker | all i know is that there was a man in my house |
| 19:52.49 | Fisker | he had a mechanical arm |
| 19:56.49 | Kaelten | what's git-upload-pack |
| 19:57.16 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: try again |
| 19:57.17 | Megalon | and he fiskered you? |
| 19:57.37 | Shadowed | Kaelten still broken |
| 19:57.40 | Fisker | he fiskered me good Megalon |
| 20:00.05 | Megalon | nice to hear |
| 20:01.03 | Fisker | not befored i fiskered you in the butt though |
| 20:02.56 | syeren | Hahahah |
| 20:03.05 | syeren | Hydra 7 just caused ArenaJunkies a bunch of shit |
| 20:03.09 | syeren | GG Curse! |
| 20:03.14 | Fisker | :3? |
| 20:03.22 | syeren | Kaelten, do you manage AJ at all? |
| 20:03.27 | Kaelten | syeren: no |
| 20:03.36 | Kaelten | Hydra 7? |
| 20:03.39 | syeren | Hydra's new movie got posted on there, site slowed to a crawl. |
| 20:03.43 | syeren | Had to close the thread and stuff. |
| 20:03.44 | syeren | XD |
| 20:03.59 | Kaelten | heh |
| 20:05.05 | Kaelten | Shadowed: give it another shot, I killed the upload-pack |
| 20:05.07 | Kaelten | things |
| 20:05.36 | Shadowed | nyope Kaelten |
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| 20:13.11 | asmodai | it's Kaelten! |
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| 20:23.00 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1155 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 20:23.02 | Repo | - Removed a few buffs/debuffs from paladin manual selection to clear up the menu slightly |
| 20:23.13 | Pneumatus | drdamage has a menu? :o |
| 20:24.02 | Gagorian | umm /drdmg |
| 20:24.03 | Gagorian | ? |
| 20:24.03 | Gagorian | :D |
| 20:24.42 | Gagorian | or /drdamage or /drd |
| 20:25.11 | Gagorian | All that work for the options and then people ask if it has a menu! :( |
| 20:25.45 | Pneumatus | i think i set it to hide tooltip edits in combat, and thats about it |
| 20:26.35 | Gagorian | I need to make the default settings worse then |
| 20:26.39 | Fisker | who's Dr. D? |
| 20:26.47 | Gagorian | fucking rainbow color letters then people need to go into the menu |
| 20:26.57 | Gagorian | And, make it forget the setting every time |
| 20:26.58 | Gagorian | ! |
| 20:27.55 | Gagorian | Who's Fisker? |
| 20:28.11 | Gagorian | Anyone ever seen him before? |
| 20:28.18 | Torhal | Pneumatus: Abomination, my ass. :P |
| 20:28.37 | Pneumatus | Torhal: well, before you started playing with it :P |
| 20:28.42 | |ckknight| | wrt git, is the ssh version or the non-ssh version not working? |
| 20:28.47 | Torhal | Pneumatus: :P |
| 20:29.05 | Pneumatus | have you got ackis on highlight or something :o |
| 20:29.48 | Torhal | No. I just read scrollback over the past hour :) |
| 20:29.59 | Kaelten | Torhal: :P |
| 20:30.09 | Kaelten | nevcairiel, Shadowed: look up at ck's question |
| 20:30.20 | Torhal | Kaelten: What did I do? :) |
| 20:30.22 | nevcairiel | |ckknight|: non-ssh is broken |
| 20:30.24 | Kaelten | |ckknight|: I've restarted the git-daemon several times, but they say it's not working |
| 20:30.25 | nevcairiel | ssh works fine |
| 20:30.35 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 20:30.38 | ckknight | hmm |
| 20:30.39 | ckknight | strange |
| 20:30.47 | nevcairiel | maybe its really shadoweds repo thats broken |
| 20:30.48 | Shadowed | It's the packager git |
| 20:30.55 | Shadowed | Your .pkgmeta file is invalid: |
| 20:30.55 | Shadowed | Git repository not found: 'git://git.wowace.com/wow/libhealcomm-4-0/mainline.git' |
| 20:30.59 | nevcairiel | anyway cloing git://git.wowace.com/wow/libhealcomm-4-0/mainline.git doesnt work |
| 20:31.05 | nevcairiel | cloning* |
| 20:31.12 | Mikk | git is satan |
| 20:31.14 | Mikk | there, i said it |
| 20:31.17 | nevcairiel | hey now it works |
| 20:31.21 | nevcairiel | whatever you did, it worked :P |
| 20:31.22 | ckknight | huzzah |
| 20:31.23 | asmodai | More grain on the git sucks mill ;) |
| 20:31.27 | ckknight | I am teh mast0r |
| 20:31.29 | Shadowed | I blame ckknight |
| 20:31.32 | Shadowed | Yea that fixed it ckknight |
| 20:31.33 | asmodai | ^5's Mikk |
| 20:31.35 | Kaelten | hg is love |
| 20:31.35 | Gagorian | Anyone else want to remove the google fade-in effect? |
| 20:31.36 | Gagorian | :C |
| 20:31.36 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v2-25-g369a657 / (4 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 20:31.37 | Kaelten | :D |
| 20:31.38 | ckknight | Shadowed: I blame your mom |
| 20:31.38 | Repo | 369a657: Added AceTimer-3.0 for when I move a lot of timers to it for performance |
| 20:31.39 | Repo | 81aee39: For koKR, ruRU, zhCN, zhTW localizations, the font name will be switched to the default SML to stop the text from showing "?" |
| 20:31.45 | Shadowed | Let me just switch it to SVN |
| 20:31.50 | Shadowed | I am sure people will love me |
| 20:31.59 | asmodai | Gagorian: igoogle doesn't use it, yay |
| 20:32.12 | Torhal | I can't even work with SVN anymore. git-svn FTW. |
| 20:32.21 | Repo | 10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 073.3 * 1.2.3-23-g6533ab8 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+4 commits] |
| 20:32.23 | Repo | 6533ab8: Hide the Maps control elements (Close Button, Size Button, etc) in "Hide Border" mode unless the mouse is over the frame. |
| 20:32.24 | Repo | c4c1cab: Adjust anchoring and size of the minimized map to be in sync with the blizzard version of it. |
| 20:32.24 | Repo | f67caab: Adjust the scaler position when borders are hidden. |
| 20:32.25 | Repo | 9873e6e: Fix the map textures in certain zones in Hide Border mode. |
| 20:32.41 | arkanes | google has a fade-in effect? |
| 20:32.51 | asmodai | Someone make sure nevcairiel doesn't commit 900 for Ace3 |
| 20:33.06 | nevcairiel | not today, thats for tomorrow |
| 20:33.48 | asmodai | So block him tomorrow :P |
| 20:33.50 | nevcairiel | but Mapster 1.3.0 is nearly done |
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| 20:34.08 | Shadowed | At least you can sort of tell that you can manually enter stuff into sliders now :< |
| 20:35.02 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Will it fix various weird stuff? |
| 20:35.17 | nevcairiel | its the best mapster yet! |
| 20:36.09 | arkanes | is it less bad than Cartographer? |
| 20:36.12 | Megalon | http://asset.soup.io/asset/0576/3010_6db7_480.jpeg |
| 20:36.15 | Megalon | I knew it!11 |
| 20:36.22 | asmodai | nevcairiel: The bestest yet? |
| 20:36.22 | Megalon | damn you cia |
| 20:36.44 | asmodai | Noooooooooooooes |
| 20:37.03 | asmodai | I wish Blizzard would suck less with their podcast configs. |
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| 20:37.44 | asmodai | How they manage to screw it up time and again is beyond me |
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| 20:39.15 | nevcairiel | I should get someone to do an article about Mapster so people use it more |
| 20:39.38 | Shadowed | Bibi likes me more than you! |
| 20:39.49 | nevcairiel | He just likes bloated up addons more! |
| 20:39.51 | Shadowed | or pay him |
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| 20:40.11 | asmodai | I wonder if they will have built Azurewatch by the time Cataclysm hits |
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| 20:40.50 | nevcairiel | supposedly cataclysm will finally let the time go on and everything change in the world |
| 20:40.53 | nevcairiel | so it might happen |
| 20:41.06 | Shadowed | hum |
| 20:41.17 | Shadowed | How accurate would FPS be for checking CPU cost of 100 OnUpdates? |
| 20:41.31 | nevcairiel | probably not really accurate |
| 20:41.39 | arkanes | very rough |
| 20:41.59 | arkanes | but the question is, do you really care about the CPU cost itself, or do you care about how that CPU cost affects framerate? |
| 20:42.01 | Shadowed | The 10 FPS drop would probably answer that :p |
| 20:42.18 | Shadowed | Just checking how inefficient OnUpdate + SetPoint through the animation system is |
| 20:42.30 | asmodai | nevcairiel: yay |
| 20:42.36 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Oh and |
| 20:42.50 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I use mapster :D |
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| 20:43.06 | asmodai | Have been for the past year or so |
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| 20:45.16 | Gnarfoz | ~wowalert |
| 20:45.17 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 20:45.31 | Gnarfoz | still nothing? weird |
| 20:46.19 | nevcairiel | its still monday, thats perfectly normal ;) |
| 20:46.30 | Gnarfoz | uhm... for the US? |
| 20:46.41 | Gnarfoz | their servers are going down in 6 hours + timezone difference |
| 20:46.57 | Gnarfoz | (i.e.... 14 hours, if I'm not mistaken) |
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| 20:47.53 | Kaelten | wee ride the split |
| 20:49.39 | Repo | 10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 073.3 * 4.4.1-6-gfb3b048 MultiCastBar.lua: [+1 commit] Adjust size and alignment of the drag-overlay for the Totem Bar. |
| 20:49.42 | nevcairiel | finally fixed that ^ :P |
| 20:49.53 | Gnarfoz | great |
| 20:50.21 | pentium166 | woo |
| 20:50.46 | asmodai | nevcairiel: about bloody time |
| 20:50.55 | nevcairiel | it was just a visual issue <.< |
| 20:51.03 | asmodai | Highly annoying :P |
| 20:51.56 | Gagorian | Did anyone change the boxes beneath the sliders in Ace3-GUI? |
| 20:52.07 | Gagorian | Looks a lot clearer now |
| 20:52.29 | nevcairiel | no, that happend on its own |
| 20:52.31 | nevcairiel | don't ask me how |
| 20:52.35 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:52.37 | Gagorian | Err, AceGUI-3.0 |
| 20:53.22 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Pfft I was going to say good work and reward the person but since it happened on its own I guess I'll have to eat these cookies on my own |
| 20:53.43 | nevcairiel | Wouldn't be my cookies, so go eat them before Shadowed notices |
| 20:54.02 | Gagorian | People have whined to me that they can't set values precisely with the sliders since they didn't notice the boxes |
| 20:54.12 | Gagorian | One less source of whine is always nice |
| 20:54.14 | Shadowed | what |
| 20:54.16 | Shadowed | oh |
| 20:54.30 | Shadowed | Yea that has bugged me and since nevcairiel is lazy I had to do the patch :p |
| 20:54.39 | winkiller | Gagorian: I found em tricky to notice as well |
| 20:54.50 | winkiller | at some point in time the bg color of those boxes was brighter |
| 20:55.00 | winkiller | and you actually noticed it being a texctfield |
| 20:55.09 | nevcairiel | well now it has a border! |
| 20:55.11 | winkiller | I have no clue if that is any lib's or Blizzs fsulz |
| 20:55.19 | winkiller | fdulz=fault |
| 20:55.34 | nevcairiel | i think i actually managed to read that the first time |
| 20:55.40 | Gagorian | :D |
| 20:56.18 | Gagorian | Now if someone allowed to add icons to the text next to sliders... |
| 20:56.18 | winkiller | wouldn't have happened witz qwerty |
| 20:56.24 | Gagorian | That would be awesome |
| 20:56.31 | winkiller | patches welcome ;) |
| 20:57.04 | Shadowed | why would you want icons next to the text in sliders |
| 20:57.17 | nevcairiel | you can always use the embeded icon syntax |
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| 20:57.47 | Gagorian | Shadowed: For talent selection screen |
| 20:57.51 | Gagorian | Would be so purty |
| 20:57.56 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 20:58.04 | Gnarfoz | anyone using X-Chat on Windows here? my (new) version annoyingly brings its own "bell" sound (for highlights, and for when you try to hit backspace while already at the leftmost end of the editbox, for example) and I want to get rid of it, or make it use the system one... any ideas? :\ |
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| 20:58.20 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Explain this embeded icon syntax nonsense! |
| 20:58.26 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2728 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 20:58.28 | Stanzilla | xchat smells :( |
| 20:58.29 | Shadowed | See Chatframe.lua |
| 20:58.30 | Repo | Moved some scan_button setting/parenting code from addon:TRADE_SKILL_SHOW() to addon:OnInitialize() where the other half of it already was (and belongs). This ensures that the scan_button has a parent other than UIParent when addon:Scan() is called. |
| 20:58.34 | Repo | Added coordinates for, and corrected the continent of, the following instances: "Ahn'kahet: The Old Kingdom", "Azjol-Nerub", "Halls of Lightning", "Halls of Stone", "The Oculus", "The Nexus", "The Violet Hold", "Utgarde Keep", and "Utgarde Pinnacle". |
| 20:58.35 | Shadowed | you cahn use |T and embed textures into fontstrings |
| 20:59.54 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: you smell, unless you provide a stand-alone irssi! |
| 20:59.57 | Gnarfoz | for windows, that is |
| 21:00.10 | Gagorian | Shadowed: Hmmm, yeah that could work. Although, the icon parameter for the options table should be able to do that |
| 21:00.27 | nevcairiel | why would you use a uncomfortable client like irssi if you don't even use it through screen to keep it alive? |
| 21:00.37 | Shadowed | Embedding textures pretty much works the same |
| 21:00.44 | Shadowed | you can't use SetTexCoords, but that's corrected in 3.3 |
| 21:00.45 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: I do smell and use kvirc :o |
| 21:00.46 | Shadowed | so 24 hours :p |
| 21:01.13 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I use it through screen to keep it alive |
| 21:01.31 | Gnarfoz | but have you heard of the fantastic "irssi proxy" functionality? :P |
| 21:01.47 | nevcairiel | I use Quassel now, it tops every proxy :P |
| 21:01.55 | Torhal | Gagorian: |Ttexturepath:size1:size2:x-offset:y-offset|t |
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| 21:03.09 | Torhal | Shadowed: While you have both ckknight and Kaelten here, relate the issue you had with a .bat file being in your history when you tried to switch to git from SVN |
| 21:03.16 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: wtf? |
| 21:03.26 | Shadowed | oh |
| 21:03.33 | Shadowed | not really an issue, I was lazy and just reset my history |
| 21:03.46 | Kaelten | Torhal: :P |
| 21:04.44 | winkiller | nevcairiel: can you get rid of the italic font seztting already? |
| 21:04.54 | winkiller | the lack of config options made me scrap it |
| 21:04.56 | Gnarfoz | ergh, http://quassel-irc.org/node/95 looks not too nice |
| 21:05.02 | Gagorian | Torhal: Merci |
| 21:05.06 | Gnarfoz | (still better than irssi in a console window, though ;D) |
| 21:05.06 | winkiller | enforced italic topic on join. YUCK |
| 21:05.14 | winkiller | kvirc + irssiproxy ftw |
| 21:05.16 | nevcairiel | the default skin is crap |
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| 21:05.32 | nevcairiel | but you can customize the looks through Qt Style Sheets, feel somewhat like .css |
| 21:06.10 | eidolarr | has anyone ever made progress on building a non-WoW testing environment? it would save me some money and probably productivity >.> |
| 21:06.29 | Torhal | Shadowed: Oh, I thought the repo hook prevented you from doing anything, |
| 21:06.29 | winkiller | nevcairiel: then I failed :) |
| 21:06.35 | Torhal | Kaelten: :/ |
| 21:06.43 | winkiller | eidolarr: there was one. in 2006 :P |
| 21:06.46 | winkiller | iirc |
| 21:06.54 | nevcairiel | winkiller: well its still evolving, maybe the version you tried didnt have it yet |
| 21:06.59 | eidolarr | how was it? |
| 21:07.04 | winkiller | never tried |
| 21:07.20 | Gagorian | And one more thing: Is there a left-align for the slider headers? |
| 21:07.22 | winkiller | nevcairiel: meh, I tried twice.. it was.. nice.. but too much bad stuff |
| 21:07.27 | Gagorian | Would look better with the icons |
| 21:07.39 | nevcairiel | anyway i'm not using it because its so pretty, i'm using it due to the server/client concept |
| 21:10.42 | Shadowed | Torhal No it just stopped me from importing my history |
| 21:10.47 | Shadowed | which is slightly annoying, but not a big deal |
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| 21:10.59 | Torhal | Kaelten: ^^ |
| 21:11.00 | Skellum | So, Hard Drive question |
| 21:11.03 | Skellum | Anyone able to field it? |
| 21:11.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: sounds just like irssiproxy to me, really |
| 21:11.19 | Shadowed | I couldn't really import the history at this point easily I'd imagine :p |
| 21:11.21 | Skellum | Raptor drives I remember are speedy if I want a fast HD |
| 21:11.25 | Skellum | Is there something better? |
| 21:11.28 | eidolarr | solid state |
| 21:11.35 | Skellum | Know a good one? |
| 21:11.50 | eidolarr | I don't, but they're much faster |
| 21:11.55 | eidolarr | orders of magnitude |
| 21:11.56 | Skellum | With a possible link to newegg :3 |
| 21:11.58 | Torhal | Shadowed: I don't think so, either, but maybe your loss will be preventable in the future |
| 21:11.59 | Skellum | Ah kk |
| 21:12.08 | eidolarr | also much quieter than raptors |
| 21:12.28 | Shadowed | Kaelten: Was trying to import SUF's repo from github to wowace, but because I had a bat file in the history from July it wasn't letting me commit |
| 21:12.37 | Shadowed | (the bat file hasn't been in the repo since then) |
| 21:13.10 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: except that any proxy that just speaks irc protocol kills timestamps |
| 21:13.32 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: ...what |
| 21:13.34 | Fisker | goodday Gnarfoz |
| 21:13.40 | Skellum | So anyone know what to look for in a solid state? |
| 21:13.48 | Gnarfoz | ... Intel. |
| 21:13.51 | Gnarfoz | that's all you gotta know. |
| 21:13.52 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 21:13.56 | Mikk | hm? |
| 21:14.32 | eidolarr | Most people who have SSDs have small ones for their regularly used programs and swap, then a bigger conventional drive for storage |
| 21:14.33 | Fisker | you wouldn't Gnarfoz |
| 21:14.41 | eidolarr | since they're more expensive per byte by a lot |
| 21:16.04 | Kaelten | Shadowed: ya, I can see why it'd stop that |
| 21:16.29 | Shadowed | Yea was going to ask you if you could disable the check temporarily, but I'm lazy |
| 21:16.34 | Skellum | Hrm |
| 21:16.49 | Skellum | So an 80g SS, load the OS and commonly used thingys? |
| 21:16.51 | ckknight | eidolarr: not a bad plan |
| 21:17.14 | Skellum | But not images, shit I only play once in a blue moon and my pornos of peoples mothers? |
| 21:17.23 | Mikk | 80 gigs is loads |
| 21:18.02 | nevcairiel | I already have 40 gigs used on my system drive, with only 80 in total i would be worried to not get all the stuff on there i want fast .. like WoW too |
| 21:18.11 | asmodai | Why the hell would you want to put swap on a SSD, especially since some OSes are fully retarded in their use of swap, meaning a load of extraneous IO and thus degradation of the SSD. |
| 21:18.27 | asmodai | In the future, sure, but right now? |
| 21:18.29 | nevcairiel | degradation is a myth |
| 21:18.38 | nevcairiel | they will die after such a long time |
| 21:18.44 | eidolarr | because swap benefits greatly from high hard disk speed ostensibly |
| 21:19.00 | nevcairiel | If your system relies in swap, buy more ram ;) |
| 21:19.01 | MysticalOS | I use a 1TB boot drive partitioned for 10.6 and vista 64, and a second 500g drive just for backup storage, then another 250gig secondary 10.6 boot drive for backup system/repair/recovery tools :) |
| 21:19.01 | FtH|Daemona | you'd have to go through multiple full writes a day, to have it die the flash cell death within 10 years asmodai... |
| 21:19.22 | Fisker | Windows 10.6? |
| 21:19.28 | Mikk | harddrives have the same problem |
| 21:19.35 | asmodai | Has that now been proven? Because I've seen my fair share of flash devices die on me over the course of my career by now. |
| 21:19.42 | MysticalOS | OS X 10.6 and windows vista duel boot setup |
| 21:19.44 | Skellum | What is Swap? |
| 21:20.05 | asmodai | Skellum: swap/pagefile, basically extended/virtual memory, but on disk |
| 21:20.06 | eidolarr | when your computer runs out of RAM it dumps some of the contents of RAM to disk temporarily |
| 21:20.12 | Skellum | Ah kk |
| 21:20.30 | Megalon | writes all over his ssd |
| 21:20.33 | NivFreak | asmodai: comparing random flash devices and SSDs... |
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| 21:20.41 | MysticalOS | i have 10 gigs of ram, my pageout's are always 0/0 |
| 21:20.50 | NivFreak | I disable my pagefile in windows w/ SSD |
| 21:21.00 | Mikk | Humhumhumhum |
| 21:21.02 | nevcairiel | disablign sometimes has funny side effects |
| 21:21.06 | nevcairiel | i just leave it be |
| 21:21.11 | Mikk | SSDs would quiet down my puter by quite a bit |
| 21:21.12 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: it can, but I've had no problems w/ vista |
| 21:21.24 | NivFreak | so MSBT was scaring the shit out of me |
| 21:21.25 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 21:21.38 | eidolarr | what does windows do if you have swap disabled and it runs out of memory? |
| 21:21.43 | NivFreak | does it suppress partial blocks when it groups incoming dmg? |
| 21:21.47 | nevcairiel | Mikk: your hdd is the noisiest part? |
| 21:22.01 | Mikk | it contributes a fair bit to the overall noise yes |
| 21:22.02 | asmodai | eidolarr: I'm guessings apps can't start and will throw memory errors. |
| 21:22.08 | Mikk | running huge fricking fans on low revs = win |
| 21:22.11 | asmodai | s/guessings/guessing/ |
| 21:22.15 | NivFreak | my chassis fans are the loud part of my machine |
| 21:22.18 | Mikk | and a totally oversized PSU |
| 21:22.36 | MysticalOS | i think i've actually heard my computers fans once? |
| 21:22.51 | MysticalOS | i can't seem to do enough to run the computer hot |
| 21:22.54 | Mikk | chassis fans pff i rip em out :P |
| 21:23.10 | NivFreak | Mikk: I want the ability to suppress everything but partial mitigated incoming dmg in MSBT ;) |
| 21:23.15 | Mikk | trust the PSU with the huge mofo fan to fix air circ |
| 21:23.25 | Mikk | ~mikk |
| 21:23.26 | purl | from memory, mikk is NOT the guy that wrote MSBT (that's Mikord). Mikk likes fiddling with central libraries and screaming about inefficient code. He will happily accept orders for WoW related graphics to keep him occupied. |
| 21:23.30 | NivFreak | oh god damnit |
| 21:23.32 | NivFreak | I always do tha |
| 21:23.33 | NivFreak | t |
| 21:23.34 | NivFreak | sorry :P |
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| 21:26.02 | eidolarr | I saw that in 3.3 they're finally giving addons their own scopes by default |
| 21:26.12 | Larry | scopes? |
| 21:26.15 | eidolarr | I don't understand why they're overloading ... though, instead of just adding calls |
| 21:26.29 | Gnarfoz | overloading... scopes... are you sure you're in the right language? |
| 21:26.29 | eidolarr | yeah like name, scope = ... |
| 21:26.42 | eidolarr | at top level gives you a table that is shared by all files in your addon |
| 21:26.46 | eidolarr | namespace sorry |
| 21:26.50 | eidolarr | table |
| 21:27.07 | Mikk | huaaaaaaa |
| 21:27.12 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2729 AckisRecipeList.lua: |
| 21:27.14 | Repo | Scope errors when blindly moving code are inevitable. (If you're blind or sleep-deprived) |
| 21:27.18 | Mikk | $500 for 64 gigs of SSD |
| 21:27.21 | Mikk | damn |
| 21:27.35 | nevcairiel | you picked one of the really expensive ones |
| 21:27.38 | eidolarr | external? |
| 21:27.42 | nevcairiel | intel extreme edition? |
| 21:27.44 | winkiller | overloads Gnarfoz |
| 21:27.57 | Mikk | http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-flash-ssd-charts/Desktop-Performance,938.html |
| 21:27.58 | Gnarfoz | don't get the Intel SLC one. :P |
| 21:28.08 | winkiller | those x25 newmoon (or whatever)? |
| 21:28.10 | Gnarfoz | you want X-25M g2 "postville" :\ |
| 21:28.19 | winkiller | postville! |
| 21:28.20 | winkiller | that was it |
| 21:28.21 | Gnarfoz | winkiller: newmoonlol, Edward Edition |
| 21:28.34 | nevcairiel | the x-25M are actually nice |
| 21:28.37 | winkiller | I just remembered "silly name", 2 words |
| 21:28.56 | nevcairiel | although the X-25E are still kinda faster :D |
| 21:29.15 | NivFreak | you ideally want the 160G x25-m g2 |
| 21:29.19 | Mikk | eh i'd just want something that beats a regular hdd and is quiet :P |
| 21:29.27 | *** join/#wowace Zarnivoop (n=stmo@custchecker.rixport80.se) |
| 21:29.27 | NivFreak | unless you're willing to shell out for the SLC |
| 21:29.47 | nevcairiel | but yeah, that one is about ~500 USD |
| 21:29.47 | nevcairiel | ~350 Ć¢ĀĀ¬ |
| 21:29.52 | eidolarr | Mikk: but if it's quiet and your computer is producing only a black screen, how will you know whether the hard disks are "spinning"? |
| 21:30.10 | NivFreak | I have an x25m g1, x25m g2, anx 2x18m drives |
| 21:30.13 | Gnarfoz | fucking x-chat custom build with this annoying bell sound. why can't it just use the Windows bell -.- GTK+ ftl |
| 21:30.14 | Larry | listen to your com |
| 21:30.15 | NivFreak | all 80g |
| 21:30.15 | nevcairiel | if you only get a black screen, the harddisks are the last of your wories |
| 21:30.16 | Larry | lol |
| 21:30.21 | winkiller | Intel X25-M Postville SSD 80GB SATA-2 260 EUR |
| 21:30.35 | winkiller | wants |
| 21:30.42 | NivFreak | it's nice |
| 21:30.45 | Fisker | charges into glorious battle |
| 21:30.47 | NivFreak | wtb working trim |
| 21:30.53 | Gnarfoz | it has working Trim |
| 21:30.55 | eidolarr | does anyone here use (x)emacs? |
| 21:31.01 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: no, they recalled the firmware |
| 21:31.09 | Gnarfoz | NivFreak: and already re-released it. |
| 21:31.11 | Stanzilla | new one is already out |
| 21:31.14 | nevcairiel | didnt they release the new one just last week or so? |
| 21:31.15 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: this week? |
| 21:31.15 | Fisker | NivFreak: no, they re-released it |
| 21:31.19 | Gnarfoz | NivFreak: also the bug was in the tools, not the FW. |
| 21:31.19 | Fisker | and fuck you Gnarfoz and Stanzilla |
| 21:31.23 | Fisker | last week NivFreak |
| 21:31.24 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: sure |
| 21:31.26 | Stanzilla | <3 |
| 21:31.27 | NivFreak | Fisker: ah nice |
| 21:31.32 | NivFreak | time to flash then |
| 21:31.46 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v2-26-gc393c6b ShadowedUnitFrames.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed error on login for line #20 (Ticket #7) |
| 21:31.47 | NivFreak | the question is, do I try win7 again |
| 21:31.49 | winkiller | eidolarr: no, vim :P |
| 21:31.49 | Fisker | besides you need to run it out of raid mode to have it work ;_; |
| 21:31.54 | Fisker | wtb ISM update |
| 21:32.00 | Mikk | oh hai 40 gigs of intel x25-v for 100 euro |
| 21:32.01 | NivFreak | Fisker: yea =/ |
| 21:32.03 | Fisker | That or use the toolbox to manually trim it |
| 21:32.09 | Mikk | that'd be more up my alley |
| 21:32.15 | eidolarr | the default Lua face uses 3 space indentation and it sucks |
| 21:32.19 | nevcairiel | 40 gigs isnt even enough for a system drive |
| 21:32.31 | Mikk | bollocks |
| 21:32.31 | NivFreak | Fisker: I guess I'll have to put it back on my gigabit controller |
| 21:32.45 | Stanzilla | Fisker: isn't out of raid mode the default? |
| 21:32.50 | NivFreak | gigabyte* |
| 21:32.50 | Mikk | my system drive now is 40 :P |
| 21:32.51 | winkiller | c:\ used space: 30GB, free space: 500MB - and I have a 12GB Aion client there |
| 21:33.00 | nevcairiel | Mikk: i have 41 used on mine :P |
| 21:33.08 | NivFreak | I have 70G used on mine atm =/ |
| 21:33.10 | Mikk | then again i don't have wow on it now do i hrmph |
| 21:33.10 | NivFreak | fucking vista |
| 21:33.24 | NivFreak | (and my shit) |
| 21:33.34 | nevcairiel | I only have apps on it, and my mail folder which is probably 2 gb |
| 21:33.39 | fewyn | Hmmm... there used to be a mail addon for broker or at least i think it was broker that would display when new mail arrived so it wasn't on the minimap but i can't find it anymore :( |
| 21:33.46 | nevcairiel | but i have shit like visual studio, msdn library, etc |
| 21:33.57 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 21:33.59 | winkiller | you measure msdn in cm of shelf space |
| 21:34.01 | winkiller | not in GB ;) |
| 21:34.02 | Mikk | bonks nevcairiel upside the head |
| 21:34.19 | nevcairiel | what can i do, i need that thing :P |
| 21:34.23 | Mikk | msdn library is totally system drive shit!! mhm! |
| 21:34.31 | Mikk | necessary for booting & all that! |
| 21:34.44 | genetik- | fewyn: i use Broker_Mail for that |
| 21:34.49 | nevcairiel | I don't like spreading apps on different drives |
| 21:34.56 | *** part/#wowace Skellum (n=Skellum@c-24-98-84-249.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 21:35.02 | nevcairiel | i want to be able to just format my C: and start clean |
| 21:35.04 | arkanes | a lot of apps get fussy if you don't install them on C too |
| 21:35.10 | Mikk | bollocks |
| 21:35.21 | nevcairiel | nah they don't break, usually |
| 21:35.30 | arkanes | and especially MS stuff ends up with half of it on the system drive anyway, unless you take Steps |
| 21:35.31 | nevcairiel | But i guess a 80gb drive would suite me just fine |
| 21:35.50 | Mikk | oh hm decent price on the x25-m also tbh |
| 21:35.51 | Mikk | 170 euro |
| 21:35.55 | arkanes | like you can install office on D, but all the common file stuff ends up on C anyway |
| 21:36.01 | Mikk | argh plus taxes, damn webshop |
| 21:36.08 | NivFreak | Mikk: that's more resonable, but make sure it's g2 |
| 21:36.18 | nevcairiel | 190 for the 80gb x-25m here |
| 21:36.26 | Mikk | "SSDSA2MH080G2C1" |
| 21:36.30 | Mikk | smells like g2 |
| 21:37.04 | Fisker | it is |
| 21:37.08 | Stanzilla | x25m g2 on amazon for 284 euro |
| 21:37.11 | Stanzilla | hm |
| 21:37.16 | Fisker | i can see from the G2 and having seen quite a few G2's in my time |
| 21:38.10 | Mikk | G2:s Fisker |
| 21:38.38 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 21:38.40 | Fisker | Mikk dick |
| 21:38.49 | NivFreak | Mikk: the 160g has like 30% faster write speed fwiw |
| 21:39.22 | Mikk | not shelling out cash for that tbh :P |
| 21:39.31 | NivFreak | I didn't either |
| 21:40.15 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2730 AckisRecipeList.lua: |
| 21:40.17 | Repo | In addon:TRADE_SKILL_SHOW(): If the scan_button doesn't have a parent or its parent is UIParent, no tradeskill AddOns were loaded - parent and anchor to the default TradeSkillFrame. |
| 21:45.38 | robotusch | ~wowalert |
| 21:45.39 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 21:46.03 | robotusch | evil Blizzard, putting up a message today - but not the one we're waiting for :D |
| 21:46.33 | nevcairiel | I told you guys, patch is next week |
| 21:46.59 | Torhal | nevcairiel: You sure it isn't Soon? |
| 21:47.15 | nevcairiel | well its eitehr next week or next year |
| 21:47.42 | Torhal | 3.3 will be released a week before Cataclysm! |
| 21:47.44 | Torhal | :D |
| 21:47.51 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r6832 / (2 files in 2 directories): frFR Update |
| 21:48.59 | *** join/#wowace maqr (n=maqr@httpcraft/hax) |
| 21:50.23 | Pneumatus^ | it's clearly gonna be this week, we've got nothing else to clear other than immortal coliseum, which is never gonna happen :< |
| 21:50.35 | Pneumatus^ | and if it's not, i'll :angryface: |
| 21:52.23 | Torhal | Pneumatus: Don't make Fisker rage again. |
| 21:52.48 | Pneumatus | Fisker needs to go back to raging about SC2 beta keys |
| 21:52.50 | Repo | 10wtf: 03smb * r16 / (4 files in 3 directories): - add font options (ALPHA!) |
| 21:53.34 | Repo | 10goblinvendorfilter: 03yssaril 07master * 0.1.2b-1-gdf50f0e / (4 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] reworked it so that there is a core which accepts filter "modules" this makes it realy easy to write new filters using the following API |
| 21:53.43 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1156 DrDamage.lua: |
| 21:53.46 | Repo | - Added icons into talent selection menu, also added talent tree headers for clarification |
| 21:53.46 | Repo | - Partially added icons to buff/debuff selection, only works for a part your own buffs/debuffs due to restrictions of getting textures by spellname |
| 21:54.53 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRkYmx4A9Do&feature=player_embedded# <-2 girls 1 cup |
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| 21:55.21 | Larry | lol |
| 21:55.56 | Torhal | Am I evil for selling Schematic: Snowmaster 9000 for 65g a week before Winter Veil begins? |
| 21:56.19 | nevcairiel | nah, people are just stupid if they buy |
| 21:56.30 | Nechckn | Torhal if they buy it, then they needed/wanted it =) |
| 21:56.44 | Nechckn | could be a touch of the stupid, too... |
| 21:56.52 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhgfz0zPmH4 <-ffffffffuuuuuuuuu- |
| 21:57.39 | Torhal | I mean, I did just sell off my last batch of Gingerbread and Eggnog recipes last month for 30g each... |
| 21:58.52 | Nechckn | hrm. I could almost see some Eng wanting the specs so that they can fuel themselves/friends with snowballs, but the food is a bit beyond reason. |
| 21:59.10 | nevcairiel | the stupid snowmaster 9000 produces so few snowballs |
| 21:59.18 | nevcairiel | its not worth it |
| 21:59.42 | Nechckn | I agree, but... if you want them off season, then you can either pony up G for each or make 'em. |
| 22:00.08 | nevcairiel | or just keep a guild bank full :P |
| 22:00.21 | Nechckn | That works, too |
| 22:00.28 | Nechckn | if you were around to get them and all |
| 22:01.03 | Arrowmaster | youll get more snowballs from doing that one daily than the snowmaster |
| 22:03.34 | steev | i have something like 500 snowballs in one of my toons bank accounts |
| 22:03.45 | steev | just because of the stupid pets requiring them |
| 22:04.54 | Repo | 10wtf: 03smb 04v1.2 * r17 : Tagging as v1.2 |
| 22:06.44 | *** join/#wowace Kreskin (n=chatzill@d142-59-52-38.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 22:06.47 | Fisker | wtf |
| 22:07.01 | steev | wtfu |
| 22:07.05 | winkiller | lol |
| 22:10.05 | sb|work | Fisker: stfu! |
| 22:11.01 | Fisker | why sb|work ? |
| 22:11.10 | winkiller | I agree, just because |
| 22:11.17 | winkiller | @project wtf |
| 22:11.18 | Repo | winkiller: http://www.wowace.com/addons/wtf/. Who's tanking - frames. Game: WoW. smb (Manager/Author). Updated: 17 minutes ago. Tickets: 1/1 |
| 22:11.43 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v2-27-gdda3cd7 options/config.lua: [+1 commit] Units that are enabled in visibility for a specific zone, but are disabled everywhere else will now show up in the configuration list... for configuring! |
| 22:12.53 | Fisker | i smell troll |
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| 22:14.49 | Shadowed | Blizzard are jerks |
| 22:14.51 | Shadowed | and restarting PTR |
| 22:16.18 | Killmore | yeah both realm of down now |
| 22:16.19 | Gnarfoz | should shut it down so we can confirm 3.3 date = tomorrow/wednesday |
| 22:16.27 | Shadowed | no they shouldn't |
| 22:16.32 | Shadowed | I need it for 30 minutes :p |
| 22:16.34 | Killmore | its a "restart" |
| 22:16.48 | Fisker | omg nevcairiel |
| 22:16.50 | Fisker | the germans |
| 22:17.01 | winkiller | wat |
| 22:17.07 | Gnarfoz | we're here, Fisker |
| 22:17.12 | Gnarfoz | and we're watching you. |
| 22:17.18 | winkiller | indeed |
| 22:17.24 | Fisker | "Entdeckt die im frostgram-set enhaltenen schĆĀ¤tze" |
| 22:17.28 | Gnarfoz | so don't try any funny shit. |
| 22:17.33 | Fisker | It contains shit? |
| 22:17.34 | winkiller | frostwhat |
| 22:17.50 | Fisker | dunno |
| 22:17.51 | Gnarfoz | Frostmourne, of course, winkiller |
| 22:17.56 | Fisker | i'm getting ZE GERMANS ads |
| 22:18.00 | winkiller | oh |
| 22:18.03 | winkiller | but.. "set" |
| 22:18.06 | winkiller | makes no sense |
| 22:18.09 | Gnarfoz | I don't know, maybe TCG? |
| 22:18.25 | winkiller | oh true |
| 22:18.28 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: are you stealing ZE GERMAN internets? |
| 22:18.29 | winkiller | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMKWnbs7nx0 |
| 22:18.31 | Fisker | naw |
| 22:18.33 | sb|work | Frostgram, WTF :( |
| 22:18.34 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
| 22:19.02 | sb|work | lol winkiller :) |
| 22:19.39 | Gnarfoz | am I the only one who doesn't like that show? |
| 22:19.44 | sb|work | yup |
| 22:19.59 | winkiller | Gnarfoz: I don |
| 22:20.05 | winkiller | Gnarfoz: I don't especially "like" it |
| 22:20.09 | winkiller | but that scene is pure genizus |
| 22:20.11 | winkiller | -u |
| 22:20.14 | winkiller | -z |
| 22:20.15 | winkiller | ffs |
| 22:20.26 | sb|work | Fisker hacked your keyboard |
| 22:20.42 | *** part/#wowace mitchnull (n=mitchnul@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 22:20.57 | winkiller | oder eine bustige krankenswesrer bei mir unter die bettdecke |
| 22:21.31 | sb|work | hmm giev ;) |
| 22:23.13 | Megalon | soso, eine bustige willer haben der lauser! |
| 22:24.17 | winkiller | I think I read somehow they made him a dane in the german version |
| 22:24.31 | winkiller | which is about as unintelligible as it can get |
| 22:30.08 | Stanzilla | Megalon: so ein schlingel |
| 22:30.45 | Megalon | what the schnitzel! |
| 22:32.00 | winkiller | haha |
| 22:32.20 | Megalon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W0Cryg0uEw |
| 22:32.24 | Megalon | schniiiiiiiiiiiiiiitzel! |
| 22:32.56 | Fisker | you wouldn't Megalon |
| 22:33.06 | Megalon | schnitzels Fisker |
| 22:33.45 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 22:33.49 | Stanzilla | that video is awesome |
| 22:33.57 | Megalon | indeed :D |
| 22:34.04 | Stanzilla | just that the stuff on the sticks doesn't look like schnitzel at all |
| 22:34.42 | Megalon | well, the stuff inside a burger also does not always look like real meat |
| 22:36.43 | WobWork | Schnitzel is -supposed- to look like real meat? |
| 22:37.09 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 22:37.19 | Fisker | NO! |
| 22:37.36 | Fisker | paaaaaaaaaaaatch |
| 22:37.55 | WobWork | no patch |
| 22:37.58 | WobWork | or no, Patch! |
| 22:38.07 | Fisker | no |
| 22:38.11 | Fisker | paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch |
| 22:38.13 | Fisker | btw |
| 22:38.14 | Mikk | wonders who Wa Comm is and why facebook thinks he should be friends with him |
| 22:38.15 | Megalon | oh no |
| 22:38.16 | Megalon | patch |
| 22:38.28 | Fisker | i think Blizzard not saying anything = confirmation |
| 22:38.54 | Megalon | not saying that are not saying anything = confirmation^2 |
| 22:39.04 | Megalon | +they :7 |
| 22:41.43 | pentium166 | the curse client 4 aero theme isn't meant to have any aero glass transparency, is it? |
| 22:42.11 | Stanzilla | just the normal window border |
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| 22:43.36 | arkanes | PTRs are stillup |
| 22:45.34 | asmodai | I think I just saw someone ask for an achievement for doing heroic Oculus :| |
| 22:46.38 | Repo | 10goblinvendorfilter: 03yssaril 07master * 0.2.0b / (7 files in 1 directory): [+7 commits] (3 truncated) |
| 22:46.40 | Repo | ace85a2: add new filters to toc |
| 22:46.46 | Repo | 3d9b40c: add AlreadyKnownFilter |
| 22:46.47 | Repo | 092a41d: add Quality Filter |
| 22:46.48 | Repo | 69f012e: add Usable Filter |
| 22:46.54 | Repo | 10goblinvendorfilter: 03yssaril 040.2.0b * f61ea5c /: [new tag] Tagging as 0.2.0b |
| 22:46.57 | Fisker | talk to the toc |
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| 22:49.58 | Yssaril | WobWork: there added some more filters to GVF |
| 22:50.51 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1157 / (3 files in 2 directories): - Added more icons to the buff/debuff menu |
| 22:56.26 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2731 AckisRecipeList.lua: |
| 22:56.27 | KriLL3 | isn't there supposed to be a new quest hub of some kind at icecrown citadel? on PTR there are just some guards |
| 22:56.28 | Repo | In addon:Scan(): Check if the scan_button's parent is UIParent and, if so, inform the user that a tradeskill window must be opened before scanning. |
| 22:59.22 | Yssaril | KriLL3: the quests for the dungeons start in the dungeons |
| 22:59.29 | KriLL3 | yeah I know that |
| 22:59.55 | Yssaril | other than that i don't think anything was added questwise |
| 23:00.09 | KriLL3 | just a bit weird that the quests don't start outside, or that the argent crusade and ebon blade are there, other than mute guards |
| 23:00.29 | KriLL3 | and dailies perhaps to establish that base, etc |
| 23:01.21 | Yssaril | wasn't that what the turnament was for (to increase strength so that IC could finaly be assaulted) |
| 23:02.09 | KriLL3 | Highlord Tirion Fordring should be standing on the battlements shouting orders to this troops, not standing on the other side of the zone idle |
| 23:02.46 | KriLL3 | they're finally going to confront arthas, and none of the important people are there to make it happen |
| 23:04.40 | Stanzilla | ~wowalert |
| 23:04.41 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 23:05.05 | KriLL3 | they should have a no issues page instead of just 404:ing |
| 23:05.39 | Jygga | 404 tells you the same thing |
| 23:05.51 | KriLL3 | no, it makes you think you typed the URL wrong, or the server is broken |
| 23:05.52 | Jygga | and saves lots of traffic ;) |
| 23:06.09 | Jygga | 99% of clients there are most likely bots |
| 23:06.20 | *** join/#wowace Aikawa (n=Aikawa@p5B05733A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:06.27 | Yssaril | also since its supposed to be fore the ingame message 404ing is easier since its basically returning nil (which makes it easy to hide the login window) |
| 23:06.28 | Jygga | so its kinda justified i think :) |
| 23:06.41 | KriLL3 | Jygga: better ways to do it |
| 23:07.01 | KriLL3 | an RSS feed for example can be throttled |
| 23:07.02 | Yssaril | was never meant to be accessed by itself i think |
| 23:07.13 | Jygga | well 404 is not an error, its just "nothing here" which tells you all you want to know rite? |
| 23:07.22 | KriLL3 | it is an error |
| 23:07.28 | Ingela | Bibi, how sure are you there's a patch today, 1-10 (10 being 100% sure) |
| 23:07.30 | KriLL3 | not found |
| 23:07.47 | KriLL3 | patches happen on Wednesday silly ;) |
| 23:07.47 | Jygga | well its like returning ERROR_SUCCESS |
| 23:07.48 | Jygga | ^^ |
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| 23:08.05 | Ingela | KriLL3, not in us |
| 23:08.16 | KriLL3 | Ingela: who cares about the US? the US isn't important |
| 23:08.21 | KriLL3 | (j/k) |
| 23:08.24 | Ingela | :D |
| 23:08.28 | *** part/#wowace profalbert (n=profalbe@188-23-209-145.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 23:08.29 | Ingela | tru dat! |
| 23:08.31 | Bibi | Ingela : 11 |
| 23:09.01 | KriLL3 | I got mixed feelings about 3.3, a lot of nice stuff, but the fact that you can get furious pvp gear from heroic instances is just... evil |
| 23:09.01 | Ingela | that's good ods |
| 23:09.11 | KriLL3 | a ton faster to pve for pvp gear than pvp for it |
| 23:09.16 | KriLL3 | which is broken |
| 23:09.32 | Nechckn | Ingela good question! =) |
| 23:09.41 | Nechckn | and helpful response, too. |
| 23:09.45 | Ingela | ahah |
| 23:10.30 | KriLL3 | is there quite literally no one at blizzard that leaks this kind of info? does the bosses keep their cards to their chests or something? |
| 23:11.02 | KriLL3 | I mean the lowly technician would gladly leak this kind of info, even inadvertently, bragging to friends |
| 23:11.06 | arkanes | blizzard is amazingly good about controlling leaks |
| 23:11.13 | steev | truth |
| 23:11.22 | arkanes | there's been some mild ones though |
| 23:11.29 | KriLL3 | arkanes: do they control information internally? |
| 23:11.42 | KriLL3 | say the lowly guys don't know when 3.3 comes out |
| 23:11.44 | arkanes | mmo-champion and some other sites have been reporting "sources" that say the patch is ready to go, but they're working on server stability issues |
| 23:11.56 | arkanes | KriLL3: I'm sure they do, to greater or lesser extents |
| 23:12.03 | Bibi | I said patch was going live this week |
| 23:12.06 | arkanes | and they do have a relatively small team |
| 23:12.07 | Bibi | then, other sites reported "sources" |
| 23:12.08 | KriLL3 | arkanes: well the PTR has an RC, you don't need a crystal ball to guess it's close |
| 23:12.09 | Bibi | <smart ass> |
| 23:12.18 | arkanes | Bibi: right, you were re-reporting other people |
| 23:12.32 | Bibi | no. :/ |
| 23:12.35 | arkanes | no? |
| 23:12.37 | Bibi | anyway, patch is this week, stop asking |
| 23:12.41 | arkanes | maybe I'm just mixing stuff up |
| 23:12.43 | KriLL3 | bibi is the source silly |
| 23:12.53 | Bibi | I'm not silly :( |
| 23:12.57 | Bibi | we prefer to be called french :( |
| 23:12.58 | KriLL3 | it's chris metzen, didn't you know? |
| 23:12.59 | Megalon | you are french |
| 23:13.01 | arkanes | the source part was the server stability, which Bibi didn't report |
| 23:13.04 | Ingela | question here is, who are the source for Bibi |
| 23:13.04 | arkanes | anyway |
| 23:13.05 | Megalon | that's more than enough! |
| 23:13.10 | Ingela | and who are the source for that guy |
| 23:13.14 | Ingela | and can it be trusted |
| 23:13.18 | Ingela | and will the world implode? |
| 23:13.22 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 23:13.24 | arkanes | Blizzard has a relatively small team, and I'm sure they do control stuff internally |
| 23:13.32 | Bibi | .... |
| 23:13.41 | Bibi | yeah, small team, just a few thousand people |
| 23:13.41 | KriLL3 | yeah I think a lot of stuff is need to know basis |
| 23:13.50 | KriLL3 | Bibi: well they're mostly grunts |
| 23:13.55 | KriLL3 | they don't know the grand scheme |
| 23:13.57 | arkanes | "team" is not "employees" |
| 23:14.04 | Bibi | seriously |
| 23:14.04 | Nechckn | They just have that evil NDA that must be iron tight. =) |
| 23:14.20 | Bibi | even gamemasters in Cork know what the new MMO is |
| 23:14.26 | Bibi | and it's been like this for months :p |
| 23:14.34 | Bibi | stop with the conspiracy theories |
| 23:14.34 | KriLL3 | Nechckn: doesn't help, easy to leak |
| 23:14.42 | koaschten | first time in 4 years i don't care about patchday :/ |
| 23:14.49 | koaschten | yay for going casual \o/ |
| 23:15.08 | Ingela | i can't help in believe that blizzard will take over the world by not telling when patch is, Bibi is their first victim |
| 23:15.10 | Nechckn | all depends on the penalty for how much folks are willing to, whether knowing/not. |
| 23:15.16 | KriLL3 | Bibi: wasn't the internet invented to nurture and spread conspiracy theories? |
| 23:15.27 | Ingela | by saying "stop with the conspiracy theroies" means we're already too late and we're all doomed |
| 23:15.38 | Ingela | and Bibi is already under their spell |
| 23:16.05 | Ingela | KriLL3, also invented for 4chan |
| 23:16.15 | KriLL3 | Ingela: isn't that what I said? |
| 23:16.16 | arkanes | there's relatively few people at blizzard who could say with confidence that the patch will hit on X day, but there's lots more who could say it wont |
| 23:16.25 | Ingela | oh yeah right KriLL3 nvm me, carry on! |
| 23:16.59 | arkanes | my sister in laws boyfriend is an engineer at HP, and he designed the blades that Blizzard uses for the realm servers |
| 23:17.09 | KriLL3 | I guess it depends on whether or not the patch is good enough to release or not |
| 23:17.12 | Ingela | why would he work for harry potter |
| 23:17.22 | arkanes | so when he said he'd spent a month in europe trying to sort out stability issues 2 weeks before BC was supposed to launch, I knew there was a good changce of a delay |
| 23:18.00 | Ingela | lol it's blizzard, good chance of delay is like their motto |
| 23:18.05 | arkanes | heh |
| 23:18.16 | KriLL3 | well it's not really a delay if you don't set a date =P |
| 23:18.25 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v2-31-g61d1cdc / (6 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 23:18.25 | Repo | 61d1cdc: Fixed index number error when enabling both party and raid frames when separate group is off |
| 23:18.25 | Repo | 2e31a12: Optimized rune bar, no longer looping through each rune to find the one to update |
| 23:18.25 | Repo | fc5d858: Fixed default LFD role indicator not having an anchor point set |
| 23:18.25 | Repo | 3766e2c: Added unit descriptions for boss, main tank, main assist units to clarify when they are used |
| 23:19.03 | Ingela | LFD - looking for date! |
| 23:19.25 | KriLL3 | let me guess, you enjoy long walks on the beach? |
| 23:19.37 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: are there left/right text options for text in the empty bar? |
| 23:19.38 | Ingela | yes, together with cozy friday nights |
| 23:19.46 | arkanes | and men with enormous tonkers |
| 23:19.48 | Shadowed | If you add another tag text yes Stanzilla |
| 23:19.53 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1158 Data (4 files in 1 directory): |
| 23:19.55 | Repo | - Added full set of buff/debuff icons to Death Knights, Druids, Hunters and Warlocks |
| 23:20.06 | Stanzilla | ok thx |
| 23:22.00 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v2-32-g66d8eeb options/config.lua: [+1 commit] Text management is flagged as a basic option now |
| 23:24.11 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2732 AckisRecipeList.lua: |
| 23:24.13 | Repo | Moved scan_button parenting/anchoring code from addon:OnInitialize() to addon:OnEnable(). |
| 23:30.37 | KriLL3 | man, the default UI is crude, after using pitbull, bartender, sexymap etc it's quite a shock to play on the PTR with no addons, the unit frames are especially laughable, tiny, round static portrait and tiny bars without text (by default) |
| 23:31.10 | KriLL3 | blizzard really should improve it, I'm guessing a lot of wow players don't have a clue about addons or simply don't take the time to get any |
| 23:31.47 | arkanes | it's so much better than it used to be |
| 23:31.59 | arkanes | functionality wise, that is |
| 23:32.02 | KriLL3 | how? I can't see much (visually) |
| 23:32.08 | Ingela | KriLL3, agree on at least the unit frames, they are seriously horrible |
| 23:32.21 | steev | i dunno |
| 23:32.24 | steev | they work fine for me |
| 23:32.29 | Ingela | are you stupid? |
| 23:32.30 | Shadowed | they work fine |
| 23:32.31 | arkanes | they're not beautiful |
| 23:32.41 | KriLL3 | they "work" but they're tiny, and f.ugly |
| 23:32.45 | steev | http://ubersekret.com/screenshots/manywhelps.jpg |
| 23:32.46 | Shadowed | They do what they are supposed to do, which is give new users a way of using the game in a relatively simple way |
| 23:33.00 | arkanes | and they lack some features that i really like, like easier buff tracking |
| 23:33.11 | steev | we were server #2 getting that achievement :( |
| 23:33.15 | Ingela | you're a dk steev, no right to talk =( |
| 23:33.19 | arkanes | but yeah they work fine |
| 23:33.32 | Zyn | I wish we could do that achievement without 10 people disconnecting :P |
| 23:33.34 | steev | Ingela: don't hate the player, hate the game |
| 23:33.38 | Shadowed | You are forgetting, the default UI is for new players essentially. If you are at the point where you want X, Y, Z then you want to use addons |
| 23:33.51 | steev | Zyn: have them disable all addons, if they don't want to, replace them with someone who will |
| 23:34.04 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: yes but I think the majority of players don't know about addons |
| 23:34.04 | Zyn | they DC even with addons off |
| 23:34.08 | arkanes | I just created a new caster on the PTR and man the newbie experience really is fastly improved |
| 23:34.11 | Shadowed | I really doubt that is true |
| 23:34.13 | steev | then tell them to stare at the ground |
| 23:34.22 | steev | or get some kind of a computer upgrade |
| 23:34.29 | steev | i don't exactly have top of the line and i can do it |
| 23:34.33 | arkanes | Zyn: turning off the combat log helps |
| 23:34.35 | KriLL3 | arkanes: I just wish it didn't give all the hints to level 80 players |
| 23:34.36 | steev | dual core 2ghz am2 |
| 23:34.37 | Zyn | or so they say, as I don't entirelly believe them when one says "I have no addons!" |
| 23:34.50 | arkanes | KriLL3: the first hint is one about how to turn it off :P |
| 23:34.55 | Shadowed | There are people who don't want addons, but I doubt you will find many who don't know about them unless they neve rplay with another person |
| 23:34.57 | steev | Zyn: have them turn off the in game combat text as well |
| 23:34.59 | Zyn | we even tell them to run the command to unregister all combat events :P |
| 23:35.03 | KriLL3 | well true, but come on, hinting level 80 players? |
| 23:35.11 | KriLL3 | "oh you got a mount, want to use it?" |
| 23:35.26 | arkanes | Zyn: if they do that and they *still* dc, thats either a really severe network problem on their side, or lies |
| 23:35.28 | KriLL3 | should be off by default for people over 70~ |
| 23:35.38 | arkanes | KriLL3: I assume you're talking about PTR copies |
| 23:35.49 | KriLL3 | copies of premades and copies of my own chars |
| 23:35.53 | arkanes | right |
| 23:36.08 | arkanes | and thats because the PTR is a seperate install and it has the default settings |
| 23:36.10 | KriLL3 | you don't think I'll get the hints when patch hits? |
| 23:36.14 | arkanes | of course not |
| 23:36.23 | KriLL3 | that's way too logical |
| 23:36.24 | arkanes | any more than you did when the last patch hit |
| 23:36.47 | arkanes | hits are controlled by a cvar in one of your WTF files |
| 23:36.50 | arkanes | *hints |
| 23:36.58 | arkanes | the PTR install has default settings, so you have them |
| 23:37.04 | Zyn | it's funny that I never disconnect and I use plenty of addons :p |
| 23:37.04 | KriLL3 | ah, which you turn off the first second after logging in first time |
| 23:37.24 | KriLL3 | Zyn: do you delete your WTF folder every day? =P |
| 23:37.30 | KriLL3 | that solves all wow issues |
| 23:37.32 | Zyn | lol no |
| 23:37.37 | KriLL3 | lag, low fps, etc |
| 23:38.04 | steev | Ingela: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/bhoca2nur3h7ms9y/sum/damageDone/?s=4393&e=4889 there was my dps on the fight in that screenshot :-P (yes i know its because i died super early, and yes, i know my eDPS was way lower) |
| 23:38.48 | KriLL3 | steev: btw wow the default buff UI really isn't made for 10+ buffs |
| 23:39.13 | steev | KriLL3: yep, but its okay, if i need to know something... i uh, use uh... need to know |
| 23:39.25 | KriLL3 | ?... |
| 23:39.25 | arkanes | that reminds me I need to check out the new buff boxing stuff in 3.3 |
| 23:39.49 | steev | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14579-NeedToKnow-Updated.html |
| 23:40.03 | KriLL3 | I wish there was an option in EBB to "merge" all non duration buffs into small squares on their own line at the top |
| 23:40.07 | KriLL3 | don't need long bars for non duration |
| 23:40.21 | Zyn | the buff boxing in 3.3 is great, tried it on the PTR, makes the whole buff display less cluttered |
| 23:40.32 | steev | haste: btw, i have a question about oUF and the whole resetting of death runes |
| 23:40.59 | arkanes | KriLL3: you can have EBB filter durationless buffs, and use another one for those |
| 23:41.09 | KriLL3 | like what? |
| 23:41.15 | Ingela | haha n1 steev |
| 23:41.17 | arkanes | whatever makes you happy |
| 23:41.39 | KriLL3 | I don't know of other buff addons that show icons and can be filtered to only show durationless buffs |
| 23:41.54 | steev | haste: basically - if i have a death rune up and hearth - it throws a nice big fat error on my screen - is it because my ouf layout needs to be updated, or is it trying to reset the death rune even though its active (easy way to test, hit blood tap, and then hearth, since blood tap's buff lasts 20 seconds) |
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| 23:42.38 | arkanes | I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to modify satrinas or something to do that |
| 23:43.00 | steev | KriLL3: why would you ONLY want durationless? |
| 23:43.03 | KriLL3 | btw my nice big pitbull hp bar is visible in my peripheral vision, but the tiny blizzard one that is mostly obscured by the text on top, how do you know your general health without having to look away from the action? |
| 23:43.22 | arkanes | better periphal vision |
| 23:43.34 | steev | KriLL3: low health sound is the only time you need to pay attention |
| 23:43.37 | KriLL3 | steev: read up some, I use EBB for my buffs, but I don't want a long bar for each durationless buff in EBB |
| 23:43.48 | steev | ahh |
| 23:44.04 | KriLL3 | an icon is sufficient for the ones without duration |
| 23:44.13 | steev | why not just use sbf |
| 23:44.21 | KriLL3 | don't know what that is |
| 23:44.28 | steev | or rather, why even show some that have no duration |
| 23:44.38 | KriLL3 | well some of them are useful |
| 23:45.05 | Ingela | steev, with NTK can i throw a pain supression on someone and then target someone else and still see the pain sup? |
| 23:45.29 | steev | Ingela: not off the top of my head |
| 23:45.56 | koaschten | I think i asked this here before, but is there a way to figure out who removed someone from the raid? the plain "You have been removed from the group" is a little unsatisfying |
| 23:46.18 | Ingela | yeah you can |
| 23:46.18 | steev | if you had the person you pain sup set to focus |
| 23:46.30 | Ingela | ask to be invited again and then "WHO REMOVED ME?" |
| 23:46.36 | Ingela | steev, yeah i don't want any focus or anything |
| 23:46.42 | Ingela | basicly deselect target |
| 23:46.44 | koaschten | Ingela, really funny |
| 23:47.00 | Ingela | koaschten, thanks they clal me Mr. Funnyman |
| 23:47.06 | KriLL3 | koaschten: I also think it's a bit weird that kicking players from the party gives "... left the party" |
| 23:47.23 | KriLL3 | sounds like it was volentarily |
| 23:47.47 | koaschten | it's somehow become a fun game for some people to mass kick from raids in wintergrasp on my server |
| 23:48.00 | koaschten | and i'd really like to know who the asshole(s) is(are) |
| 23:48.00 | steev | Ingela: yeah, i know what you mean - im not logged in to game though so i can't recall, and i don't feel like going in the other room and grabbing my authenticator (who woulda guessed that having the authenticator actually makes me log in to game less) |
| 23:48.01 | KriLL3 | well only the leader can do that |
| 23:48.08 | KriLL3 | or someone promoted to some role |
| 23:48.09 | koaschten | or assists |
| 23:48.21 | koaschten | thats the point, how to figure out in a 40 man raid |
| 23:48.27 | koaschten | with a leader and 10+ assists |
| 23:48.32 | KriLL3 | well there is an icon next to their name |
| 23:48.36 | Ingela | oh steev you don't need to was just asking |
| 23:48.38 | KriLL3 | that many assists? |
| 23:48.43 | steev | i know you can choose whether its a buff or debuff, and whether its like target, self, focus (i just can't remember the rest of the options for this portion) |
| 23:48.54 | koaschten | wintergrasp auto-group raid, you go figure |
| 23:48.56 | KriLL3 | why would he set assists anyway? sounds like the leader just sets assists to hide the fact that he's kicking people |
| 23:49.00 | steev | i *think* you can set it to something like based on what you spell |
| 23:49.10 | Ingela | yeah i've seen a lot of addons like that steev and you can only select target, self or focus |
| 23:49.10 | Shadowed | oh hey how fun |
| 23:49.10 | arkanes | last I looked at NTK, it only supported buff scanning |
| 23:49.12 | koaschten | or to get people in "your" raid |
| 23:49.13 | Ingela | which i do not want |
| 23:49.20 | Shadowed | It looks like HealBot is dropping LHC |
| 23:49.28 | arkanes | that was a while ago |
| 23:49.38 | Ingela | lol why would they drop that |
| 23:49.43 | arkanes | I need something thats like HealBot but less buggy and crappy :( |
| 23:49.47 | Shadowed | Because he's pissed at me for not letting him disable comms |
| 23:50.13 | Ingela | what a great way to run a fairly populated addon like healbot |
| 23:50.15 | arkanes | I like the layouts and the tooltips but I really don't like the terrible refreshing and bugginess |
| 23:50.23 | Ingela | "i don't like that guy, so i disable his libs!!!" |
| 23:50.37 | Shadowed | also Arrowmaster looks like he's still hard embedding SharedMedia in the 3.3.0 version posted on nov 30 |
| 23:50.43 | Repo | 10considerater: 03catamorfizm 07master * 1.1.0-2-gac8bd98 Considerater.toc: [+1 commit] bumping version in anticipation of tomorrow |
| 23:50.43 | Shadowed | just fyi |
| 23:51.03 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: the rc version on his site? |
| 23:51.06 | Shadowed | yes |
| 23:51.13 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 23:51.16 | Shadowed | kk |
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| 23:52.51 | Shadowed | lovely |
| 23:53.00 | Shadowed | He pretty much just reimplemented all of the LHC4 comm code |
| 23:53.43 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: i probably wont catch it but if i do i wont approve the new version of healbot if he keeps that 'LHC4 is in the docs dir, move it to the libs dir if you want to use it' crap since it will break curseclient |
| 23:54.03 | Arrowmaster | but then again he has already broken curseclient by embedding SharedMedia |
| 23:54.34 | Arrowmaster | theres many tickets on curseforge for healbot about how the curseclient fails to install it |
| 23:55.50 | Shadowed | I find this amusing anyway |
| 23:56.43 | Shadowed | As far as I can tell, he's basically implemented his own form of comm again that gives the time a heal ended |
| 23:57.33 | Ingela | i don't get what's so fuckin awesome with healbot anyways |
| 23:58.08 | arkanes | works better out of the box than grid does, and I like having a seperate set of click-casts for healing vs my regular raid frames |
| 23:58.15 | Ingela | clique? |
| 23:58.37 | arkanes | my healbot frames and my regular unit frames have different setups |
| 23:58.48 | Ingela | you can do that with clique |
| 23:58.56 | arkanes | I know I can do that with clique but it's again more configuration I don't need to do if I use healbot |
| 23:59.07 | jnwhiteh | its fucking called healbot |
| 23:59.09 | jnwhiteh | that's what annoys me |
| 23:59.11 | arkanes | I might sit down and take the time to make grid do what I want |
| 23:59.15 | jnwhiteh | they've always been about automation |
| 23:59.19 | jnwhiteh | which is bullshit |
| 23:59.22 | arkanes | since healbot is buggy and that irritates me |
| 23:59.23 | jnwhiteh | rants |
| 23:59.25 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 23:59.30 | arkanes | healbot in its current form doesn't do any automation at all |
| 23:59.35 | Ingela | arkanes, myself is not using grid anyhow, using srf :) |
| 23:59.39 | arkanes | the name is just a holdover from classic when it really was |
