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| 00:41.40 | airtonix | woops cable lol |
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| 00:53.01 | Daduke1 | does antiarc hang out here? |
| 00:53.33 | Antiarc | yeah |
| 00:53.48 | Daduke1 | ohey hey |
| 00:54.00 | Daduke1 | i missed your name when i checked the list |
| 00:54.30 | Antiarc | Probably 'cuz I'm voiced :P |
| 00:54.39 | Daduke1 | I was wondering how complicated would it be to add a few options to the poisonswapper mod for Deathknights |
| 00:54.52 | Daduke1 | thinking about swapping around a razorice weapon |
| 00:55.06 | Daduke1 | I tried looking at your code but I'm completely clueless |
| 00:55.34 | Antiarc | Well, it would be moderately different for DKs, really. Aren't DKs GCD-bound anyhow? |
| 00:55.45 | Daduke1 | depends on the spec |
| 00:55.45 | Antiarc | Weapon swapping really only works for rogues because we're energy-bound, not GCD-bound |
| 00:56.33 | Antiarc | DW or single-wield DK? |
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| 00:56.42 | Daduke1 | I'd assume dw |
| 00:56.42 | Antiarc | (Swing timing is infinitely less complex for 2H) |
| 00:56.47 | Antiarc | Hrm, okay. |
| 00:56.49 | Daduke1 | sec |
| 00:56.52 | Daduke1 | ptr pull |
| 00:56.57 | Antiarc | kk |
| 00:58.01 | Daduke1 | and wipe |
| 00:58.02 | Daduke1 | hah |
| 00:58.13 | Daduke1 | blood mirror started jumping |
| 00:59.02 | Daduke1 | basically dw is the main spec that use razor ice, i honestly don't know if they slower swing time on a 2hander could keep a razor ice stack without too much of a loss dps wise |
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| 01:02.23 | Daduke1 | would it be overly complicated to add razor ice and fallen crusader? |
| 01:04.25 | Daduke1 | and do a fast and dirty test to see if dps is effected? |
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| 01:05.24 | Primer | affected |
| 01:07.14 | Antiarc | Well, in theory it shouldn't be too hard |
| 01:07.53 | Antiarc | You'd basically just rewrite mod:PVESwap() to check for a different debuff on your target, and swap to a weapon with a different enchant name |
| 01:08.20 | Antiarc | checkForPoison(deadlyName, 5, realTimeLeft) looks for a debuff from the player called "Deadly Poison IX" with 5 stacks and at least X time remaining. |
| 01:08.52 | Antiarc | I assume Razorice procs a debuff |
| 01:09.00 | Daduke1 | is mod:pveswap a line in toc file? |
| 01:09.04 | Antiarc | It's a function name. |
| 01:09.51 | Antiarc | http://pastie.org/698195 |
| 01:10.09 | Antiarc | That's sort of what you'd want to do, but it'd need the proper variables set, of course, and code paths modified to get there |
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| 01:11.26 | Daemona | +1 for the item designer naming a staff "Abracadaver" :D |
| 01:14.18 | Daduke1 | i have no idea how to do such variables or code paths |
| 01:16.48 | Daduke1 | i have very limited experience with coding and none really with modding |
| 01:19.06 | Antiarc | Well, a) what's the name of the Razorice debuff, b) what're the names of the enchants as they show on both the Razorice weapon and your other weapon? |
| 01:22.14 | Daduke1 | i'll look them up |
| 01:22.15 | Daduke1 | sec |
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| 01:26.49 | Daduke1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53343 |
| 01:27.00 | Daduke1 | that is the razorice rune |
| 01:27.13 | Daduke1 | i believe the debuff is just called razorice |
| 01:29.59 | Daduke1 | the other one is rune of the fallen crusader |
| 01:30.06 | Daduke1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53344 |
| 01:36.02 | Daduke1 | so the idea would be. use weapon with razorice until the boss has a 10 stack, 10 stack lasts 20 seconds |
| 01:36.39 | Daduke1 | i'll stop being distracted in about 1 min |
| 01:36.41 | Daduke1 | ptr is over |
| 01:39.15 | Antiarc | http://pastie.org/698234 |
| 01:39.21 | Antiarc | Replace poisonswapper.lua with that |
| 01:39.30 | Antiarc | Should work, in theory. I didn't test it, but it parses at least. |
| 01:39.56 | Antiarc | Actually, won't work |
| 01:40.34 | Antiarc | I need the spell ID of the debuff |
| 01:40.46 | Antiarc | Well, it'll work if the debuff name is "Rune of Razorice". Won't otherwise. |
| 01:42.42 | Groktar | i thought damage shield didn't crit anymore? |
| 01:42.43 | Groktar | hmm |
| 01:44.34 | Daduke1 | pulling up a dk right now |
| 01:44.47 | Daduke1 | i can double check the debuff name and get a spell id |
| 01:48.15 | Daduke1 | Frost Vulnerability - http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=51714 |
| 01:48.50 | SunTsu | and there goes the patcher again, fsking up my directory permissions. Thank you Blizzard |
| 01:57.02 | airtonix | blizzard ; you are being most welcome sir. |
| 01:57.17 | airtonix | thankyou! come again! |
| 01:59.16 | Belazor | they fixed dualboxing at least |
| 01:59.38 | SunTsu | What was broken about it? |
| 01:59.53 | Belazor | couldnt start launcher.exe whle wow.exe was running |
| 02:00.36 | Megalon | why do you need launcher.exe for dualboxing? |
| 02:00.49 | Belazor | I dont, but I pinned it to my taskbar |
| 02:01.01 | Belazor | cause its a cunt to pin wow.exe |
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| 02:01.37 | Megalon | ah, k ;) |
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| 02:41.05 | Repo | 10libinternalcooldowns-1-0: 03Antiarc * r17 LibInternalCooldowns-1.0/Data.lua: Fix typo in DK T9 2pc set bonus spell ID. Thanks Jedi- |
| 02:41.12 | Jedi- | :D |
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| 03:19.32 | Amadeo | I'm on a quest for some simple unitframes |
| 03:19.48 | Amadeo | only thing I require is debuffs that are on the end of the frame instead of under it |
| 03:21.37 | Jedi- | on the end of which frame? party/raid/target? |
| 03:22.23 | Amadeo | just party/target for now I guess |
| 03:22.33 | Jedi- | and do you mean just your debuffs, or all? :) |
| 03:23.02 | Amadeo | hehe |
| 03:23.09 | Amadeo | Any I think :) |
| 03:23.19 | Amadeo | I haven't played in a while |
| 03:23.46 | Jedi- | xperl puts debuffs at the end of party frames iirc, if set |
| 03:23.55 | Jedi- | which i find nice when im healing 5man |
| 03:24.00 | Jedi- | target.. dunno |
| 03:24.02 | Jedi- | dont think so |
| 03:24.07 | Amadeo | target's less important |
| 03:24.25 | Amadeo | xperl might be more than I need, but I remember it being pretty decent |
| 03:24.30 | Jedi- | xperl does give you some decent options for target debuffs |
| 03:24.39 | Jedi- | but not to the side of the frame i dont think |
| 03:24.56 | Jedi- | it can highlight just your own castable debuffs quite well, so you can keep them up |
| 03:25.14 | Jedi- | i dunno really, im a DK so i use a rune addon that tracks my debuffs |
| 03:25.29 | Jedi- | i just have all debuffs under my target frame for raid leading purposes |
| 03:26.02 | Amadeo | I miss the old days of simple unit frames like MiniGroup |
| 03:26.17 | Jedi- | i find the "big debuffs" option is more than enough when im say.. tanking on my druid. Just to show you the odd debuff you have to keep up |
| 03:26.33 | Jedi- | on something like a lock or shadow priest i'd use a seperate tracker |
| 03:26.52 | Jedi- | so yeah, depends on preference and class really |
| 03:26.55 | Amadeo | true |
| 03:27.05 | Amadeo | Just working on a Mage right now, will be my first to a high level if I can keep going :P |
| 03:27.46 | Jedi- | something like xperl will start you off then, i found it to be the best looking and easiest to configure |
| 03:28.03 | Jedi- | something like putbull is more powerful, but more work to setup and use to its potential |
| 03:28.11 | Amadeo | Yeah |
| 03:28.14 | Amadeo | I've become lazy in my old age |
| 03:28.52 | Jedi- | most raid frames are really fps heavy these days though, so you pay in performance for the shiny shiny |
| 03:29.18 | Jedi- | you can limit that by turning off some of the more punishing features, like 3d portraits and stuff like that |
| 03:29.28 | Amadeo | I like to keep things as efficient as possible, so whatever keeps my high performance going |
| 03:30.09 | Amadeo | that's why I'm worried xperl might be too much for me |
| 03:32.32 | Jedi- | I'm not too familiar with any others really, pitbull i used in tbc and xperl since wotlk |
| 03:37.26 | Amadeo | I'll try it out a while |
| 03:37.27 | Amadeo | thanks :) |
| 03:50.31 | Mikk | ShadowedUF |
| 03:50.31 | Mikk | likes it |
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| 05:06.49 | FtH|Daemona | interesting, my launcher grabbed new repair, launcher, updater and bgdownloader executables |
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| 05:19.13 | Repo | Removed addon:GetRecipeLocations() - its functionality is now in addon:addTradeAcquire(). |
| 05:19.15 | Repo | Added tooltip display for unknown recipes on mobs who drop them, vendors who sell them, and trainers who train them. |
| 05:36.09 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2653 AckisRecipeList.lua: Hooray for incorrect table usage! Class filters work again. |
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| 07:51.16 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03yoshimo * r6805 Citadel/Lanathel.lua: - 6m berserktimer |
| 07:51.18 | Repo | - Pact of the Darkfallen |
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| 08:37.36 | Torhal | resurrects quiescens with Ichor of Undeath. |
| 09:02.54 | Repo | 10guildchatflash (experimental): 03DaveErig * r3 Core.lua: |
| 09:02.56 | Repo | Support sending Party messages sent to tab named "Party".. probably should have called the addon "ChatFlash", but oh well. |
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| 09:10.33 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?sid=3&topicId=11586758634&pageNo=1 |
| 09:10.57 | Repo | 10talented_loader: 03jerry * r40 core.lua: Don't do anything if AddonLoader is installed. |
| 09:13.02 | sb|work | Stanzilla: WTF!?!? |
| 09:13.09 | sb|work | thats you, right? :P |
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| 09:14.03 | Stanzilla | no |
| 09:14.07 | Stanzilla | but I laughed my ass off |
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| 10:11.53 | yoshimo | can someone translate that to german ? ;) |
| 10:14.32 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:14.52 | Repo | 10shadowgreenlight: 03Mokhtar * r53 Database.lua: - Forgot to edit out fake bonus test spells |
| 10:15.56 | Stanzilla | yoshimo: I baunz dich gleich um! |
| 10:15.57 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 10:16.17 | orionshock | anyone here WG alot? |
| 10:16.24 | Repo | 10shadowgreenlight: 03Mokhtar 04v1.5.1 * r54 : Tagging as v1.5.1 |
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| 10:18.40 | CrazyBenny_ | is there an addon, showing quests from questlog in LDB/minimap/fubar tooltip, but doesnt replace the default blizzards quest tracker? |
| 10:19.02 | yoshimo | why do you ask orionshock? |
| 10:19.39 | Balreign | tomquest2 has an option CrazyBenny_ |
| 10:20.40 | CrazyBenny_ | Balreign: tried it, but it still prevented the tracker from being shown |
| 10:21.54 | Balreign | strange |
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| 10:30.23 | CrazyBenny_ | Balreign: oh, my bad...missed one option :) |
| 10:30.45 | Balreign | ^^ |
| 10:31.15 | orionshock | yoshimo: because i see 3 quests not reseting bi-weakly |
| 10:31.21 | CrazyBenny_ | thought disabling the addon specific one, would enable the default |
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| 10:42.26 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: new curse spam for www.sexymap.org |
| 10:43.37 | yoshimo | these bastards use realaddonnames now... |
| 10:44.50 | orionshock | lol, how do u know it's not wow interface.com's site.. there are no ads |
| 10:45.07 | orionshock | either that or i have em blocked |
| 10:51.27 | yoshimo | the whois information says: Registrant Email:curse@curse.com Registrant Country:CN |
| 10:56.01 | orionshock | solution one, sue |
| 10:56.06 | orionshock | solution 2 carpet bomb |
| 10:56.53 | yoshimo | this hoster needs to be sued , they host a lot of strange urls |
| 10:56.55 | yoshimo | http://rss.uribl.com/nic/XIAMEN_CHINASOURCE_INTERNET_SERVICE_CO_LTD_.html |
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| 13:50.29 | Repo | Tagging as v6.3.2a Release. Update locale files to load properly.. stray _G.debug |
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| 16:51.42 | Repo | 10shunkit: 03LaoTseu * r22 ShuckIt.lua: - Fixed a problem with lock boxes that I had introduced |
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| 17:15.14 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink * r176 / (4 files in 2 directories): Updated encounter database (Icecrown raid). |
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| 17:17.09 | Aeyan | Jeebus. What is up with the 26 page whinefest about tanks and Quel'delar? |
| 17:17.14 | Aeyan | Boo-friggity-hoo. |
| 17:18.00 | Aeyan | Meh, I should know better than to click a link to the official forums by now, I guess. |
| 17:19.26 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2656 RecipeDB/ARL-Engineer.lua: Added a missing vendorid to some engineering recipes. |
| 17:20.03 | FtH|Daemona | so, who is up to the task to make quest-helper obsolete and create a TSP Solution for the 3.3 Blizz Quest Tracker? ;) |
| 17:20.35 | Aeyan | Adapt routes? =P |
| 17:20.49 | FtH|Daemona | ~seen xinhuan |
| 17:20.52 | purl | xinhuan <n=xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 33d 16h 51m 33s ago, saying: 'all i can think of is that your git isn't sending your private key properly'. |
| 17:21.00 | Aeyan | Pfft. |
| 17:21.31 | FtH|Daemona | the problem with routes is, it doesn't do weighting in the sense of "visit x before y" |
| 17:21.55 | Aeyan | True, it just connects everything in a big loop |
| 17:22.22 | FtH|Daemona | you could loop through all objectives and then through all quest turnins but that is .. suboptimal ;) |
| 17:23.20 | nevcairiel | QH doesnt weight either, it just connects your current objectives |
| 17:24.19 | nevcairiel | Its not smart like "complete this quest, then do the follow up directly after that" |
| 17:25.09 | nevcairiel | the only thing it does is re-calc the route when you finish a quest |
| 17:25.15 | nevcairiel | but Routes could do that too |
| 17:25.33 | nevcairiel | imho an in-brain-TSP is alot better for most people =P |
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| 17:26.58 | Shirik | TSP? |
| 17:27.51 | nevcairiel | traveling salesman |
| 17:28.21 | nevcairiel | with wotlk all quest hubs are concentrated enough anyway, so you already see the areas you need to combine |
| 17:29.26 | nevcairiel | hope cataclysm does that with all the world |
| 17:30.09 | FtH|Daemona | nevcairiel QH indeed allows for objective -> turn-in -> objective -> turn-in |
| 17:30.14 | FtH|Daemona | and will route accordingly |
| 17:30.38 | nevcairiel | yeah but it regenerates the route only when you finish a quest, most of the time |
| 17:30.46 | nevcairiel | which makes it not perfect |
| 17:30.58 | FtH|Daemona | uuh at least for me it re-calculates always on the fly |
| 17:31.11 | nevcairiel | of course, thats what makes it imperfect |
| 17:31.32 | nevcairiel | it would be faster if you follow something like TourGuide |
| 17:31.53 | FtH|Daemona | sure, but that would not be possible to automate it anytime |
| 17:32.05 | FtH|Daemona | it always requires creating a "guide" |
| 17:32.18 | nevcairiel | with enough data on the quests it would |
| 17:32.23 | nevcairiel | and the user strictly following |
| 17:32.55 | FtH|Daemona | well you probably could automate that if you had something like the follow up achievement stuff in quest chains to determine that |
| 17:32.59 | FtH|Daemona | but uuh yeah |
| 17:33.03 | FtH|Daemona | it's still a game to play |
| 17:33.19 | nevcairiel | with wotlk (and partly in BC already) its easy enough already |
| 17:33.38 | nevcairiel | just pick up the quests of a hub, and look at the map .. they are all at the same place anyway |
| 17:34.17 | FtH|Daemona | yeah, my point was more of, "get something with a better algorithm and less overheap in form of a db" |
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| 17:35.01 | nevcairiel | the problem is just determining the relative points |
| 17:35.16 | nevcairiel | in theory routes could do it easily |
| 17:35.31 | nevcairiel | its just not designed to re-calc routes on the fly |
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| 17:37.52 | nevcairiel | too bad xinhuan is so low on time these days, i'm not in the mood to write a TSP solver |
| 17:39.04 | FtH|Daemona | i just dropped him an enhancement suggestion ticket on routes, we will see ;) |
| 17:39.43 | nevcairiel | the data gathering for the notes shouldnt be too hard |
| 17:40.02 | nevcairiel | just the recalc on the fly isnt something it does right now |
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| 17:50.44 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Just get a quantum computer |
| 17:52.16 | nevcairiel | and i could go with the full solver, eh |
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| 17:52.27 | nevcairiel | no approx algorithm |
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| 17:52.53 | Shirik | yup |
| 17:53.00 | Shirik | just need a quantum state for each possibility |
| 17:53.05 | Shirik | so n! quantum states |
| 17:53.08 | nevcairiel | can you implement me one in Lua?? |
| 17:53.19 | nevcairiel | a quantum computer, that is |
| 17:53.21 | Shirik | so long as Blizzard gives us the DestroyUniverse function, sure |
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| 18:03.21 | krka | imo TSP is overkill for questing, just use a greedy algorithm on the current set of quests |
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| 18:05.12 | nevcairiel | i do that in my head |
| 18:05.32 | nevcairiel | man silly video recode, be done already! |
| 18:06.03 | SunTsu | .o0( Greedy algorythm? OK, as long as it doesn't ninja loot... ) |
| 18:07.06 | quiescens | stabs suntsu with a pillow |
| 18:08.06 | SunTsu | dies |
| 18:08.38 | krka | nevcairiel: funny, i do tsp in my head! |
| 18:09.00 | Shirik | krka actually IS a quantum computer |
| 18:09.56 | nevcairiel | I dunno what algorithm my head uses exactly |
| 18:10.05 | nevcairiel | i just have a tendency to plot routes |
| 18:11.48 | Shirik | but your head is likely not a perfect solution |
| 18:11.53 | Shirik | at least not in odd cases |
| 18:12.00 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 18:12.05 | nevcairiel | but its more fun this way |
| 18:12.31 | Shirik | however it's probably a very good way to solve it |
| 18:12.48 | Shirik | personally, I think TSP is very suited for AI |
| 18:12.53 | Shirik | or |
| 18:12.56 | Shirik | AI is very suited for TSP |
| 18:13.05 | nevcairiel | its a typical problem in AI systems |
| 18:13.11 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:13.16 | Shirik | well yay :) |
| 18:13.24 | nevcairiel | didnt you want to shower? |
| 18:13.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:13.31 | Shirik | but I got distracted |
| 18:13.49 | Shirik | this is why when I turn on the shower, I put it just low enough so the water heater can keep up |
| 18:14.49 | FtH|Daemona | pro-tip: hibernate your pc when you plan to do something else to not get distracted |
| 18:15.06 | nevcairiel | i just turn the screen off |
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| 20:00.17 | nevcairiel | !api chat_msg_bg_system_alliance |
| 20:00.22 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_ALLIANCE: Fires when an Alliance-related battleground system message is received (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_ALLIANCE) |
| 20:00.39 | nevcairiel | hm not much of a helpful description :P |
| 20:01.11 | nevcairiel | !api chat_msg_opening |
| 20:01.11 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_OPENING: Fires for messages about the player "opening" a world object (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_OPENING) |
| 20:02.30 | asmodai | stretches |
| 20:02.46 | asmodai | well, that was an uneventful plane ride |
| 20:02.52 | yoshimo | cmbgsa happens when they claim a base in arathi or attack a node in ioc |
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| 20:17.56 | Gnarfoz | !api aura |
| 20:17.56 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'aura': UnitAura, GameTooltip:SetUnitAura, UNIT_AURA, PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED |
| 20:18.00 | Gnarfoz | !api buff |
| 20:18.00 | lua_bot | Found 9 possible results for 'buff': UnitDebuff, CancelUnitBuff, luaL_loadbuffer, luaL_prepbuffer, GameTooltip:SetUnitBuff, luaL_buffinit, UnitBuff, GameTooltip:SetUnitDebuff, luaL_Buffer |
| 20:18.14 | Gnarfoz | !api UnitBuff |
| 20:18.14 | lua_bot | UnitBuff: Returns information about a buff on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitBuff) |
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| 21:52.25 | Mokhtar | Hmmm Ace forums are down ? |
| 21:52.31 | Mokhtar | wowace I mean |
| 21:53.19 | yoshimo | did the reboot cronjob kill the site again? :) |
| 21:54.25 | Mokhtar | Hmm dunno, I access the site all right but forums are out :x |
| 21:56.44 | yoshimo | last time it was the other way round |
| 22:01.48 | nevcairiel | ~lart Kaelten |
| 22:01.48 | purl | beats Kaelten severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
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| 22:09.18 | Gnarfoz | reboot cronjob? wtf. |
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| 22:13.31 | nevcairiel | yeah they couldnt fix the real error, so it reboots daily now :P |
| 22:13.42 | winks | wat |
| 22:13.46 | winks | must be windows |
| 22:14.28 | nevcairiel | i forgot what the error was |
| 22:15.15 | Gnarfoz | actually sounds like any OS, but not enough knowledge or time to find and fix the error :D |
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| 22:18.19 | winks | ever tried to restart all the important services on windows automatically? ;) |
| 22:18.40 | winks | if your linux box is really fucked up, you can still get alogn with restarting only the services daily |
| 22:19.11 | winks | (like I do with one shitty webmail gateway) |
| 22:19.22 | nevcairiel | its linux, but something weird was going on, the box was locking up on a system level, not simply crashed services |
| 22:21.00 | nevcairiel | meh they need to upgrade the box anyway, and migrate to WebDAV based SVN instead of svnserve |
| 22:21.54 | winks | why? |
| 22:22.12 | winks | svnserve not handling enough req/s? |
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| 22:22.28 | nevcairiel | its just unstable and slow, and might've potentially caused the lock up |
| 22:22.36 | Shirik | I think svnserve wasn't designed with 50000 repositories in mind |
| 22:22.36 | winks | I see |
| 22:22.44 | winks | never actually deployed svnserve |
| 22:22.47 | Shirik | 50000 accesses to a single repository, sure |
| 22:22.48 | winks | always webdav |
| 22:22.51 | Shirik | but not to 50000 different ones |
| 22:23.31 | nevcairiel | they used svnserve until now because it allowed for the structured repository layout |
| 22:23.46 | nevcairiel | and webdav wouldnt, without generating config files |
| 22:24.10 | winks | I'm not asking how the git-svn-hg?-thingy works |
| 22:24.16 | Kaelten | sylvanaar: you're welcome, and I know how you feel. |
| 22:24.21 | Kaelten | been doing obj-c now for about 6 months |
| 22:24.25 | Kaelten | it's very different |
| 22:24.29 | Kaelten | I miss operator overloading |
| 22:24.47 | winks | obj-c? who uses that? :) |
| 22:24.50 | winks | and what for? |
| 22:25.01 | Kaelten | mac apps are coded in it |
| 22:25.03 | profalbert | apple does obvioulsy |
| 22:25.03 | nevcairiel | silly mac folks use it =P |
| 22:25.04 | Kaelten | including the iphone |
| 22:25.19 | winks | hehe yeah |
| 22:25.31 | winks | but at curse? |
| 22:25.47 | nevcairiel | updater for mac |
| 22:26.19 | Stanzilla | wtb curse client 4 iphone |
| 22:26.20 | winks | 6 months??1 |
| 22:27.06 | winks | Stanzilla: you wouldn't have much screenspace next to the ad :P |
| 22:27.07 | Shirik | why |
| 22:27.08 | Kaelten | winks: I wrote the v4 mac client, it's in obj-c started 6 months ago on this version |
| 22:27.08 | Shirik | iphone |
| 22:27.18 | winks | full time? |
| 22:27.21 | winks | you scare me |
| 22:27.30 | Kaelten | mostly, I have a lot of other hats too |
| 22:27.32 | winks | or macs scare me |
| 22:27.39 | nevcairiel | put on the sysadmin hat more! |
| 22:27.43 | Kaelten | winks: scare me? how so? :P |
| 22:27.43 | Stanzilla | winks: mmm true! |
| 22:27.53 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: It's own right now, server should be coming back online |
| 22:27.57 | winks | Kaelten: I would have estimated 1 month for that :P |
| 22:28.01 | Kaelten | the server the forums are on just hit shy of 500 loads. |
| 22:28.06 | winks | especially if you can reuse stuff from the windowsthing |
| 22:28.13 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:28.21 | Kaelten | winks: heh, well you can't, and the language is fundementally different from what I'm used to doing |
| 22:28.38 | Kaelten | not to mention this is the first time I've written a desktop app from the ground up |
| 22:28.38 | winks | then hire a mac programmer with a twisted mind |
| 22:28.46 | winks | you might end up useless for real languages otherwise |
| 22:28.50 | Kaelten | winks: ya it was cheaper/better to just pay for me to learn it |
| 22:28.55 | winks | hehe |
| 22:29.07 | Kaelten | if you want a mac app that feels native you have to use cocoa |
| 22:29.12 | winks | yup |
| 22:29.14 | Kaelten | and the non obj-c options just aren't there yet |
| 22:29.39 | Kaelten | macruby looks very promising, but it's 10.5+ only and it's still in betaish land |
| 22:29.49 | Kaelten | pyobjc is ... painful |
| 22:29.58 | Kaelten | and ruby-cocoa is only slightly better |
| 22:30.35 | winks | if I had a mac I would feel bad now :P |
| 22:30.54 | winks | win v4 is quite awesome though |
| 22:30.58 | Kaelten | ya very |
| 22:31.09 | Kaelten | it was a 6 month job, but the guy has 10 years of .net experiance |
| 22:31.29 | winks | but re: your dying server. bet you thought of ulimit and oprofile already? |
| 22:31.51 | winks | because that sounds a tad weird :P |
| 22:32.04 | Kaelten | db locked up, webs spiraled, and then other servers who mount on it got backed up |
| 22:32.11 | Kaelten | end rsult 480+ load |
| 22:32.27 | winks | that's quite a number yea |
| 22:32.30 | Kaelten | yup |
| 22:32.42 | winks | what db? |
| 22:32.47 | Kaelten | when it comes down to it the servers are in a state of barely controlled chaos |
| 22:33.30 | Kaelten | mysql sadly |
| 22:33.35 | Kaelten | vbullshit doesn't support anything else |
| 22:34.22 | yoshimo | i still hope that the pm system of the forum and the rest of the page have access to the same messages and interact with each other |
| 22:35.17 | Stanzilla | I think you could do that with the new invision power board and their connection software thingy |
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| 22:38.30 | Kaelten | I wonder if ipb supports postgresql |
| 22:40.07 | nevcairiel | They only support M(y|S)SQL |
| 22:40.15 | yoshimo | the choice which software you use for your forums can be difficult, many people only defend the one they are using |
| 22:40.17 | Kaelten | lame |
| 22:40.20 | Kaelten | ya I know |
| 22:40.34 | nevcairiel | php projects rarely use a proper db abstraction |
| 22:40.40 | nevcairiel | and since only support mysql |
| 22:40.48 | Kaelten | ya |
| 22:40.57 | SunTsu | which I never understood |
| 22:41.13 | Kaelten | Well most of vbulletin queries are done inline via string concat |
| 22:41.29 | Kaelten | the fact ipb supports mssql makes me think it could support psql |
| 22:41.29 | nevcairiel | well part of the problem is that there are no real good db abstraction libs for php =p |
| 22:42.17 | Kaelten | ya |
| 22:42.28 | Kaelten | and a lot of the forum softwares predate any of the php mvc frameworks |
| 22:42.46 | yoshimo | mvc? |
| 22:42.47 | nevcairiel | there still isnt any good DB framework for php |
| 22:42.54 | nevcairiel | the ones i tried sucked |
| 22:43.00 | nevcairiel | but maybe i was tainted by SQLAlchemy |
| 22:43.07 | Kaelten | I've seen codeigniter and it wasn't toooo bad |
| 22:43.13 | Kaelten | or didn't seem to be |
| 22:43.17 | Kaelten | haven't coded in it just saw some code |
| 22:43.24 | Kaelten | ya SQLAlchemy is pure win |
| 22:43.46 | winks | nevcairiel: what especially are you looking for? |
| 22:43.54 | winks | nevcairiel: and why do you need a "db framework"? |
| 22:43.57 | nevcairiel | SQLAlchemy for php |
| 22:44.04 | nevcairiel | is what i want |
| 22:44.06 | winks | tried PDO? |
| 22:44.16 | Kaelten | I don't think the language lends itself to that degree of power and controll |
| 22:44.18 | nevcairiel | pdo is fail |
| 22:44.19 | winks | from my limited sqlA knowledge it comes close |
| 22:44.22 | Kaelten | plus the community probably wouldn't get behind it |
| 22:44.35 | winks | tell me which features you need |
| 22:44.43 | nevcairiel | and i want a db framework because working with ORM models is way ebtter then working with sql |
| 22:44.50 | winks | because PDO isn't so bad most of the time :P or Zend_Db |
| 22:44.55 | winks | ugh |
| 22:45.03 | winks | ORM :P |
| 22:45.08 | Kaelten | ORMs are great |
| 22:45.23 | Kaelten | even if I didn't have a proper ORM I'd still end up writing a model framework that mimiced that |
| 22:45.26 | winks | tried doctrine and the one from symphony then? |
| 22:45.34 | nevcairiel | i tried doctrine, didnt like it |
| 22:45.46 | nevcairiel | but maybe its a php problem |
| 22:45.52 | nevcairiel | it may not be dynamic enough |
| 22:45.55 | winks | php people don't like ORMs :) |
| 22:45.59 | winks | in general |
| 22:46.01 | winks | so no wonder |
| 22:46.09 | nevcairiel | i don't like php anyway |
| 22:46.43 | Kaelten | ya the language I feel lends itself to poor code practices |
| 22:46.55 | winks | I blame that more on the programmer |
| 22:47.22 | nevcairiel | They should deprecate the html-in-php-files in php6, and it would cut down on alot of bad code =p |
| 22:47.23 | Kaelten | to some degree the language will dictate the type of developer who ends up using it |
| 22:47.40 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: yup, also an import system vs an include system would help |
| 22:47.51 | winks | namespaces in 5.3 |
| 22:48.05 | Kaelten | isn't their namespace operator something obsene ? |
| 22:48.09 | winks | go read up :) |
| 22:48.11 | winks | it's \ |
| 22:48.14 | winks | that's the downside |
| 22:48.19 | Kaelten | ya.. |
| 22:48.40 | winks | but being anal about the namespace operator and then ditch the language is.. well |
| 22:48.53 | winks | I used to hate python's "space matters" |
| 22:48.55 | nevcairiel | I wrote big pages in php before, not wanting to do that again after having worked with python .. or heck, even j2ee |
| 22:49.02 | winks | but at some point I saw that it was silly :P |
| 22:49.07 | Kaelten | oh that's not why I dislike the language |
| 22:49.19 | winks | I'm not trying to push you, nevcairiel |
| 22:49.24 | winks | but have a look at Zend_Db |
| 22:49.35 | winks | you should be able to use only that from the ZF and nothing else |
| 22:49.56 | nevcairiel | the point is mood now anyway, was about half a year ago when i was looking |
| 22:50.52 | nevcairiel | I just see no advantage in php, it doesnt rapid development like other languages do |
| 22:50.58 | nevcairiel | doesnt support* |
| 22:51.05 | winks | please elaborate |
| 22:51.33 | winks | actually we're doing 1 week scrum sprints in php just fine :P |
| 22:54.26 | nevcairiel | php people seem to be alot about DIY, you rarely find good libraries to handle the annoying tasks, while in python people seem to write more support code then actual web sites, and good libraries at that |
| 22:54.27 | Kaelten | well php can work as a language, don't get me wrong |
| 22:54.34 | Kaelten | if you have some good devs |
| 22:54.42 | winks | +1 on the libs |
| 22:55.00 | winks | that's why we're using ZF nowadays |
| 22:55.17 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: ya pocoo is a good example of that, they still haven't made the forum software they set out to |
| 22:55.20 | Kaelten | but their libs are amazing |
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| 22:55.23 | winks | PEAR was a good idea (liek CPAN actually) but the quality and update cycles were bad |
| 22:55.41 | winks | Kaelten: zine isn't that cool though :P |
| 22:55.47 | nevcairiel | they never finished it |
| 22:55.51 | winks | werkzeug might me perfectly fine |
| 22:55.58 | winks | *be |
| 22:56.04 | Kaelten | werkzueg, jinja2, pygments and others |
| 22:56.07 | Kaelten | all amazing |
| 22:56.08 | nevcairiel | werkzeug/jinja2/sqlalchemy are an awesoem combination |
| 22:56.12 | winks | I liked web.py more though |
| 22:56.19 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: we use those + WTForms on curseforge |
| 22:56.21 | winks | especially for these small 1man-8h-projects |
| 22:56.22 | Kaelten | as well as gypsy |
| 22:57.03 | winks | the biggest problem with php is not that there are so many bad developers in relative numbers, but in absolute |
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| 22:57.13 | winks | just look at the market segment of php |
| 22:57.24 | winks | so of course you have a large chunk of bad stuff on the web |
| 22:57.30 | Kaelten | oh ya, has way to many devs on it, way way too many |
| 22:57.33 | winks | but there are so much less python people |
| 22:57.47 | winks | not in the php projekt |
| 22:57.52 | winks | people usin iz |
| 22:57.55 | Kaelten | was refering to how many devs use it |
| 22:57.55 | nevcairiel | I still wonder how big php is in corporate, i dont think its that big in comparison to the "personal" web pages |
| 22:58.02 | winks | thus many applications that suck |
| 22:58.09 | winks | like phpbb |
| 22:58.13 | winks | wordpress |
| 22:58.16 | winks | all horrible code |
| 22:58.23 | winks | (getting better now) |
| 22:58.31 | nevcairiel | php just makes it easy to suck |
| 22:58.42 | nevcairiel | you can short-circuit so much code |
| 22:58.45 | winks | not so much more than python |
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| 22:58.52 | winks | I've seen some horrible examples |
| 22:59.02 | winks | php makes it so easy to start with |
| 22:59.15 | winks | so many people with no programming background can learn it |
| 22:59.24 | winks | seen so many graphics people try iz |
| 22:59.28 | winks | => horrible code |
| 22:59.39 | winks | they wouldn't have managed to start with python |
| 22:59.53 | winks | ruby yes, with enough coke |
| 23:00.17 | Kaelten | smalltalk hater |
| 23:00.29 | nevcairiel | I'm sure those people could click themself through a django tutorial and get started with horrible code, too :P |
| 23:00.59 | winks | nevcairiel: http://terrychay.com/?p=2668 |
| 23:01.11 | winks | good (ahort) writing on php as a beginner language |
| 23:01.19 | winks | nevcairiel: now, yes |
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| 23:01.34 | winks | but with ZF or ez it's not THAT bad as 10 years ago |
| 23:01.46 | winks | when no one used python or ruby on the web to begin with |
| 23:01.54 | nevcairiel | 10 years ago people didnt really talk about ruby or python |
| 23:02.07 | winks | not much :) |
| 23:02.14 | winks | but /cgi-bin/form.pl |
| 23:02.15 | Kaelten | one of the biggest reasons I feel for easy adoption of php is that it's easy to get running server side |
| 23:02.22 | winks | that as well |
| 23:02.26 | nevcairiel | it was all php or java for corporate .. or some of the old cgi scripts, heh |
| 23:02.29 | Kaelten | you go get a 10 buck a month VPS and drop files in place |
| 23:03.15 | Kaelten | meanwhile with both ruby and python it takes at least a minor amount of SA skills and many hosts just will not let you get it running. |
| 23:03.27 | nevcairiel | mod_python is easy too |
| 23:03.32 | winks | no one tells me what to do on a vps :P |
| 23:03.34 | nevcairiel | wsgi might require a trick more |
| 23:03.48 | Kaelten | both require more of a mental shift |
| 23:03.50 | winks | but yeah |
| 23:03.53 | Kaelten | than html - > php |
| 23:04.06 | winks | even I get to curse about lack of decent /*.py parsing sometimes |
| 23:04.21 | winks | because mod_py and mod_php don't love each other much |
| 23:04.23 | nevcairiel | I like how they run python apps as stateful applications that handle requests |
| 23:04.28 | winks | so I'm stuck using wsgi or fcgi |
| 23:04.28 | nevcairiel | so much easier to deal with some stuff |
| 23:04.33 | Kaelten | absolutely |
| 23:04.40 | nevcairiel | wsgi is the recommended way for python, anyway |
| 23:04.45 | Kaelten | but if you're going from static html pages to dynamic php pages it's not much of a mental shift |
| 23:04.57 | winks | especially if you already did SSI |
| 23:05.03 | winks | that's how I started with php |
| 23:05.08 | nevcairiel | i never used SSI |
| 23:05.13 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I'm looking at shifting from mod_wsgi to nginx + passenger |
| 23:05.23 | winks | I recently looked up my old homepage on web.archive.org |
| 23:05.41 | winks | september it was .shtml and december it was .php3 :P |
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| 23:06.01 | nevcairiel | before i did php, i wrote ugly framesets for layout reuse :P |
| 23:06.07 | winks | haha |
| 23:06.12 | nevcairiel | but man, thats ages ago |
| 23:06.36 | winks | I still like my php |
| 23:06.51 | winks | although I dabble in python when time permits |
| 23:07.01 | winks | while actually using java for my diploma thesis atm |
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| 23:07.14 | winks | and work requires me to use some bash as well |
| 23:07.17 | winks | how complicated! |
| 23:07.39 | Kaelten | bbiab |
| 23:08.37 | nevcairiel | bash isnt that bad once you get used to their different way of doing things .. well as long as you don't have to do too complicated things |
| 23:08.45 | nevcairiel | a bash script can execute a python script, too! :) |
| 23:09.13 | nevcairiel | or even Lua :D |
| 23:09.23 | SunTsu | .o0( you want to know bash - and use perl ) |
| 23:09.35 | nevcairiel | I wrote some shell scripts in lua for fun some time ago when i was sick of bash |
| 23:10.01 | nevcairiel | I'll probably never learn perl |
| 23:10.03 | winks | when not at work I write my commandline scripts in php too :)= |
| 23:10.50 | SunTsu | winks: I know people who do that, because they are fluent in php anyway |
| 23:11.35 | nevcairiel | I'm fluent in php too, but also in other languages .. so i don't use a language designed for web pages as a shell script :D |
| 23:11.38 | SunTsu | I'm about to start a little scripting/database project and still am not decided whether to use perl again or take a look at ruby or python instead |
| 23:11.51 | CrazyBenny_ | I find personal shellscripts as a nice way to check soem new language, when the time allows |
| 23:11.57 | winks | cli php is awesome :) |
| 23:12.28 | winks | yeah, if it's something not too pressing I do it in python |
| 23:12.33 | winks | because I'm still niot fluent |
| 23:12.45 | winks | but that takes a while |
| 23:13.08 | winks | what I don't like bash is stuff with many temp vars |
| 23:13.20 | winks | or in general, bigger data structures |
| 23:13.33 | nevcairiel | I still need to learn Ruby and freshen up in C# for my bachelor thesis .. man so much left to do |
| 23:13.34 | winks | it's just a commandline wrapper and many pipes only take you so far |
| 23:14.05 | winks | I want to do more c and asm |
| 23:14.10 | SunTsu | I normally do perl, but maybe I could try something different. Or, maybe perl6 ;) |
| 23:14.14 | winks | but I never need it |
| 23:14.24 | winks | is a perl hater |
| 23:14.25 | winks | = |
| 23:14.32 | winks | =~ is the only thing I admire |
| 23:14.43 | CrazyBenny_ | aww, I really hate C, but I guess it was very good language to start with at uni |
| 23:14.44 | nevcairiel | I'm doing some C++ in my spare time right now, i've never had a real need for asm short of the courses at university, saldy =( |
| 23:14.46 | winks | easier regex stuff |
| 23:14.47 | SunTsu | winks: I like writing C - as a matter of fact I produce the cleanest code writing in C, and don't know why |
| 23:15.00 | winks | SunTsu: your brain is sick and twisted |
| 23:15.07 | SunTsu | winks: tell news ;) |
| 23:15.14 | nevcairiel | CrazyBenny_: imho C is not a language you want to learn programming in |
| 23:15.15 | winks | last time I wrote in C I got a fever 4h later |
| 23:15.34 | winks | we usually start with functional languages at uni |
| 23:15.42 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: no, you don't want to. pointer hell wooohoo |
| 23:15.46 | winks | I would have preferred LISP/Scheme over xML tho :P |
| 23:16.01 | nevcairiel | They still start with Pascal here |
| 23:16.07 | winks | o_O |
| 23:16.14 | winks | wow |
| 23:16.14 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: which still is a good one to start with |
| 23:16.20 | winks | not functional |
| 23:16.23 | winks | not OO |
| 23:16.26 | winks | not used |
| 23:16.26 | nevcairiel | Yeah, but its so out of date |
| 23:16.28 | winks | yay! |
| 23:16.35 | nevcairiel | C isnt OO or functional either |
| 23:16.41 | winks | c is awesome though |
| 23:16.43 | winks | pascal isn't |
| 23:16.48 | SunTsu | winks: but still nice and clean, so you can concentrate on the concepts |
| 23:16.58 | winks | procedural concepts :< |
| 23:17.06 | winks | I started with Pascal as well |
| 23:17.11 | winks | but... that was mid-90s |
| 23:17.14 | winks | not 2009 |
| 23:17.42 | nevcairiel | Hm, Pascal -> C -> Java .. and somewhere in between they teach you some bash and Ruby as well, but a bit out of order |
| 23:17.45 | SunTsu | winks: yeah, not something to teach OO with, that's for sure |
| 23:17.46 | CrazyBenny_ | nevcairiel: almost whole bachelors exams contain C programmign here, but in the end I think I learned much more, than friends in other unis starting in java |
| 23:18.05 | CrazyBenny_ | subjects, not exams :S |
| 23:18.31 | SunTsu | I still don't know if I ever want to take a look at GO *g* |
| 23:18.44 | nevcairiel | actually when i attended the Unix course, it was still Tcl .. but they upgraded to Ruby apparently now |
| 23:18.57 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: tcl is nasty |
| 23:19.04 | CrazyBenny_ | Tcl wasnt good |
| 23:19.04 | winks | SunTsu: language: Go and debugger: ogle, they get bonus points for that |
| 23:19.18 | nevcairiel | I didnt care much, i wrote eggbot scripts way before i set foot into the university |
| 23:19.20 | winks | agreed |
| 23:19.21 | nevcairiel | so it was easy |
| 23:19.31 | winks | hehe |
| 23:19.52 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: I only did expect in tcl - until I found Expect.pm, that is |
| 23:20.26 | winks | think I looked briefly at Tcl/Tk when I started with Linux |
| 23:21.16 | nevcairiel | They also had us do some OpenGL programming in C, that was really interesting, doubt i would've ever done it otherwise |
| 23:21.43 | winks | hehe, I did that as well |
| 23:21.45 | SunTsu | Yeah, I still have a book about that somewhere, prolly under my cupboard that's leg broke |
| 23:21.55 | winks | there was this awesome tutorial page |
| 23:22.52 | nevcairiel | nehe.gamedev.net or something like that is what i know |
| 23:23.13 | nevcairiel | complete tutorials for nearly all aspects of opengl dev |
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| 23:28.00 | winks | awesome |
| 23:28.03 | winks | that's it :) thanks |
| 23:28.08 | winks | *bookmarks again* |
| 23:31.00 | winks | Today, I couldn't stop giggling when my colleagues and I were talking about Haris Pilton's "slightly used" hole that's going for 3000g. MLIA |
| 23:31.03 | winks | lol |
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| 23:41.50 | Gnarfoz | lol, that item has flavor text? |
| 23:43.35 | nevcairiel | not that i can see |
| 23:45.03 | nevcairiel | but she does sell a hole to you .. :P |
| 23:45.36 | nevcairiel | wonder if the item will stay on her |
| 23:54.28 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink * r178 Emotes/Emotes.lua: FIX: Sorting. |