| 00:16.56 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r6779 / (5 files in 5 directories): koKR Update |
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| 00:19.20 | kadrahil | hmm |
| 00:19.33 | kadrahil | designing some sort of MVC framework for my addon |
| 00:36.11 | jnwhiteh | Anyone here have a Steelseries mouse? |
| 00:36.26 | jnwhiteh | I need someone to help me test something. |
| 00:41.30 | Wobin | kadrahil, MVC tends to be an all or nothing thing, kinda =P |
| 00:41.59 | Wobin | cause there's not really a "ModelViewControllerAndSpareCodeBit" design... |
| 00:43.21 | Primer | Anyone use the RhadaTip DPS/HPS Tooltip addon? I've noticed that my frame rate goes down considerably when I spawn tooltips with Rhada text within them |
| 00:46.06 | kadrahil | Wobin: oh, i know |
| 00:46.10 | kadrahil | Wobin: :D |
| 00:48.15 | NeoTron | curse spammer: http://wow.curse.com/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=2000486 |
| 00:48.20 | Repo | 10killguildgreet: 03Starinnia * r10 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 00:48.22 | Repo | don't use AceDB anymore, no point since all that's needed is a blacklist table |
| 00:50.39 | Primer | WOW! |
| 00:50.49 | Primer | This dude has his main function in each of the locale files |
| 00:51.03 | Primer | it's huge |
| 00:51.13 | Primer | and there's a copy of the function in each of the 5 locale functions |
| 00:51.23 | Primer | s/functions/files/ |
| 00:52.58 | Primer | YAY! I can ssh to my windows laptop again |
| 00:53.51 | Primer | if (string.find(text, "^%+%d+ Willenskraft") ~= nil and r+b ~= 0) then <-- surely there's a way of doing this with L("Some text") ? |
| 00:54.08 | vhaarr | doing what? |
| 00:54.30 | Primer | find localized text generically |
| 00:54.44 | Primer | without having a huge function in each locale file |
| 00:54.48 | Pneumatus | if (string.find(text, "^%+%d+ "..L["Willenskraft"]) ~= nil and r+b ~= 0) then |
| 00:55.05 | vhaarr | Primer: you have to explain it better, what is |text| here? |
| 00:55.17 | vhaarr | and what is inside the if clause |
| 00:55.22 | Primer | vhaarr: I wish wowace had an svn browser |
| 00:55.28 | Primer | I'd just link you to the files |
| 00:55.34 | vhaarr | just paste.wowace.com |
| 00:55.36 | Primer | err I mean, an svn web |
| 00:55.41 | kadrahil | hmm |
| 00:55.49 | kadrahil | i am tempted to install linux on my home box |
| 00:56.11 | Primer | This dude's addon has 5 locales, and within each locale file, there's his "main function" |
| 00:56.20 | vhaarr | paste.wowace.com one |
| 00:56.26 | Primer | one is just a copy of the other |
| 00:56.49 | Primer | sec |
| 00:57.32 | Primer | sigh, kill -9 doesn't work in cygwin |
| 00:57.48 | Primer | my pastebin up script isn't working |
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| 01:02.51 | Primer | Doh, this dude doesn't even have a repo |
| 01:03.17 | Primer | suffice it to say that he does this: |
| 01:03.29 | Primer | in Foo.Locale.enUs.lua he has a function |
| 01:03.39 | vhaarr | just fucking copy paste it, what's the problem |
| 01:03.43 | vhaarr | paste.wowace.com |
| 01:03.53 | Primer | it's huge |
| 01:03.58 | vhaarr | so what |
| 01:05.59 | Primer | Not going to manually paste this |
| 01:06.06 | Primer | nm |
| 01:06.40 | vhaarr | in any case whatever he's doing, whoever he is, it can be done better if he has huge functions in his locale files and has 4 copies of it |
| 01:06.48 | vhaarr | there's no doubt about that |
| 01:07.15 | Primer | that's all I wanted to know |
| 01:07.30 | Primer | If there was some reason why he was doing it this way, some limitation of lua |
| 01:07.38 | vhaarr | I don't see the problem with ctrl+a and c/p |
| 01:07.44 | vhaarr | there's not, he's doing it wrong |
| 01:07.56 | vhaarr | I can say that without seeing a shred of the code |
| 01:08.02 | Primer | I have the file open in vi over ssh |
| 01:08.07 | Primer | that's the problem :) |
| 01:08.16 | vhaarr | ah |
| 01:08.39 | vhaarr | well doesn't matter, I was just curious to see this code because it must be really bad |
| 01:08.42 | Primer | and my damn pastebin up script, which uses curl, is failing...it's actually failing at the server |
| 01:08.52 | Primer | let me just upload the file to my web server |
| 01:23.58 | haste | Primer: l2wgetpaste |
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| 01:24.59 | Primer | bah, I have one and it's worked for years...until now |
| 01:25.15 | Primer | uses curl |
| 01:25.17 | Primer | curl > wget |
| 01:25.45 | Primer | the problem is with my own pastebin (yes, I have my own pastebin) |
| 01:26.04 | Primer | guessing it's not handling lua comments, since those are the same as sql comments |
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| 01:29.01 | vhaarr | wget is older so it's better :P |
| 01:29.23 | Primer | it's a comedy of error |
| 01:29.39 | Primer | something's rewriting the URL on my web server |
| 01:29.42 | Primer | and I can't find it |
| 01:32.26 | Primer | wow, it's the 403 handler |
| 01:32.59 | Primer | So...after ALL this time... |
| 01:33.01 | Primer | http://www.ceregatti.org/download/wow/ass.txt |
| 01:33.33 | Primer | Each of his locale files looks exactly like that, except the Locale strings are different |
| 01:33.52 | vhaarr | well you'll only end up with one copy of each function |
| 01:34.09 | vhaarr | but clearly he's quite new to lua programming |
| 01:34.15 | Primer | RhadaTipLocale.deDE.lua is the original name of the file |
| 01:34.46 | Primer | I looked through the code so I could try to find what was causing my frame rate to die when I hovered over a tooltip with additional text from his addon |
| 01:34.56 | Primer | And when I found that, I cringed |
| 01:35.33 | vhaarr | well he iterates each line in every tooltip and performs dozens of strfinds on each line |
| 01:35.59 | Primer | except that once the tooltip is up, the frame rate remains low |
| 01:36.19 | vhaarr | not if you're hovering an item in your character window |
| 01:36.28 | vhaarr | those tooltips are forcibly refreshed onupdate by blizzard |
| 01:36.44 | Primer | you're kidding |
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| 01:36.46 | vhaarr | no |
| 01:36.51 | Primer | no wonder |
| 01:36.51 | vhaarr | they do it to update cooldown texts |
| 01:37.04 | Primer | ok, that kinda makes sense |
| 01:37.21 | vhaarr | well they could throttle it to once per second or 0.5sec |
| 01:37.28 | Primer | so his addon probably should just calculate the text once, and use that pre-calculated text |
| 01:37.34 | vhaarr | or only perform it if the item you hover actually has a use effect |
| 01:37.49 | Primer | no, his addon just calculates potential DPS |
| 01:37.55 | vhaarr | I'm talking about blizzard |
| 01:38.06 | vhaarr | and updating the character pane item tooltips onupdate |
| 01:38.34 | Primer | still, even if blizz does it that way, I've never seen any performance degradation because of it...but yeah, I imagine it can't be good for people with lesser machines |
| 01:38.56 | vhaarr | any addon that does processing on the tooltip can cause problems there |
| 01:39.22 | vhaarr | it's the reason I added a cache to Mendeleevs tooltip info |
| 01:41.21 | Primer | So ideally he'd create his text once when the tooltip is shown and use the cached version on each update by blizz, presuming he can identify that it's an existing tooltip with pre-rendered text |
| 01:41.33 | vhaarr | yes |
| 01:41.42 | vhaarr | ideally he'd redo everything because it's a beast |
| 01:41.49 | vhaarr | but there's a few fast optimizations he can do |
| 01:41.53 | vhaarr | and caching is one of them |
| 01:42.00 | Primer | I like the concept of the addon, but the performance was horrible |
| 01:42.11 | vhaarr | also doing things like |local fnd = string.find| and replacing all occurances of that |
| 01:42.22 | vhaarr | "~= nil" can be removed from them all |
| 01:43.01 | Primer | he could consolidate those functions he has in each locale file and use fnd L["string"] |
| 01:43.16 | vhaarr | yes but that won't increase speed |
| 01:43.27 | vhaarr | which is what concerns you at the moment |
| 01:43.45 | Primer | I'm thinking of maintainability at that point |
| 01:43.57 | Primer | it must be a nightmare to maintain, the way it is |
| 01:44.25 | vhaarr | replaces all getglobal calls with a _G lookup and make _G local |
| 01:44.30 | vhaarr | s/replaces/replace/ |
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| 01:45.28 | vhaarr | make RhadaTip_getSocketInfo return a tuple instead of creating a new table each time |
| 01:47.41 | Repo | 10killguildgreet: 03Starinnia * r11 Core.lua: improve user feedback when adding/removing to the blacklist |
| 01:47.51 | vhaarr | and can save a lot if you change |if string.find...| lines after |local token6 = ""| to just :find the number right out of the text instead of strsplitting on everything |
| 01:48.04 | vhaarr | the whole |
| 01:48.05 | vhaarr | if (string.find(text, "^%+%d+ Ausdauer") ~= nil and r+b ~= 0) then |
| 01:48.08 | vhaarr | section becomes |
| 01:48.23 | vhaarr | stamina = fnd(text, "^%+(%d+) Ausdauer") |
| 01:48.34 | vhaarr | select(3, ... that is |
| 01:48.38 | vhaarr | or just :match I guess |
| 01:48.39 | Primer | you mean |
| 01:49.00 | Primer | stamina = fnd(text, "^%+(%d+) " .. L["stamina"]) |
| 01:49.05 | vhaarr | no |
| 01:49.27 | vhaarr | do things in two steps |
| 01:49.44 | vhaarr | optimize or clean up, not both |
| 01:50.14 | vhaarr | and L.stamina should contain the whole thing, not be a concat, like Pneumatus suggested |
| 01:50.25 | vhaarr | so it would be fnd(text, L.stamina) |
| 01:50.34 | NeoTron | is he parsing tooltips for stats instead of just using the call to get the stats already parsed? |
| 01:50.39 | quiescens | do everything at once, you know you want to |
| 01:50.57 | Primer | This isn't even my addon! :) |
| 01:51.10 | vhaarr | NeoTron: yes |
| 01:51.22 | NeoTron | GetItemStats(item) |
| 01:51.22 | Primer | I'm just composing an entry on his addon page |
| 01:51.30 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 01:51.46 | NeoTron | I mean his tooltip scanning might such and all (and it does) but it's not even necessary |
| 01:52.00 | NeoTron | same thing of course for the gems |
| 01:52.11 | vhaarr | yes but that's part of the cleanup, these quick optimizations can be done in 2 minutes |
| 01:52.19 | vhaarr | in fact, I'd be done already if I had just done them |
| 01:52.47 | Primer | runs a quick sed on the file to see what difference it makes |
| 01:53.46 | NeoTron | this code is so badly written |
| 01:53.53 | NeoTron | Primer: run away and don't look back! |
| 01:54.40 | NeoTron | Primer: out of curiosity what does the addon do? |
| 01:55.20 | Primer | it calculates potential DPS of an item |
| 01:55.28 | Primer | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/rhadatip-dps-tooltip/ |
| 01:55.42 | Primer | Seems he's a regular poster on EJ |
| 01:55.56 | NeoTron | he might be a posted but doesn't know how to code worth a crap |
| 01:56.09 | Primer | indeed |
| 01:56.31 | Primer | vhaarr: maybe some day you can audit my crappy addon :) |
| 01:57.04 | NeoTron | Primer: isn't this basically assigning a "pawn" value to an addon? |
| 01:57.14 | vhaarr | yeah some time next year, when I'm not busy |
| 01:57.29 | Primer | vhaarr: awww |
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| 01:57.35 | Primer | NeoTron: I don't know what that means |
| 01:57.37 | Repo | seems to be working... |
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| 01:57.40 | Repo | still walls of debug texts |
| 01:57.54 | NeoTron | pawn basically lets you define a value to each stats |
| 01:58.06 | NeoTron | and then sums the values of the item up |
| 01:58.13 | NeoTron | so you can compare two items' relative value |
| 01:58.21 | Primer | in terms of...? |
| 01:58.24 | Primer | DPS/HPS? |
| 01:58.35 | NeoTron | whatever the numbers are |
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| 01:58.39 | NeoTron | obviously not dps/hps |
| 01:58.45 | NeoTron | or rather, it might be |
| 01:58.56 | NeoTron | but elitist jerks => my class => my build => get numbers to plug in |
| 01:58.57 | NeoTron | => done |
| 01:59.18 | NeoTron | then there's DrDamage which tries to do the dps thing |
| 01:59.29 | Primer | but that's for spells and abilities |
| 01:59.44 | Primer | this is strictly for items, and it takes talents and specific specs into consideration too |
| 01:59.47 | NeoTron | how do you think it does that? |
| 01:59.56 | NeoTron | it has values for each stat |
| 01:59.56 | Primer | fuck if I know |
| 02:00.05 | NeoTron | or rather calculates the values for each stat |
| 02:00.20 | NeoTron | considering how horrid that particular addon is I wouldn't trust it at all |
| 02:00.34 | vhaarr | yes it is really amazing |
| 02:00.37 | Primer | The EJ forum people seem to rely on it |
| 02:00.46 | vhaarr | it's worse than the old BonusScanner |
| 02:00.47 | Primer | at least, some of the posts I read recently |
| 02:02.06 | vhaarr | but bad code doesn't mean you have a product that doesn't work |
| 02:02.13 | NeoTron | I can honestly it's not often you see worse addons than that |
| 02:02.19 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 02:02.29 | NeoTron | but obviously you actually noticed it being a performance issue |
| 02:03.32 | vhaarr | I'm guessing everything said here can be said about all operating systems and other major applications used in production environments in multinational corporations |
| 02:03.40 | vhaarr | that also have performance issues |
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| 02:03.49 | vhaarr | not guessing, sorry, I know that for a fact |
| 02:04.08 | NeoTron | of course why he doesn't cache is another major mystery |
| 02:04.15 | NeoTron | bad code can be made passable using a simple cache |
| 02:04.25 | NeoTron | not like he needs to parse the tooltip every. single. time. |
| 02:05.18 | vhaarr | but that has already been said, stop wasting scrollback |
| 02:06.40 | Primer | NeoTron: yeah, we already cached that |
| 02:07.06 | NeoTron | what I wonder is what kind of computers do people have where they don't notice this? |
| 02:07.31 | NeoTron | ah well, time to head home |
| 02:07.41 | Primer | mine is 3 years old, and I have a ton of addons |
| 02:07.49 | Primer | and for the most part is very fluid |
| 02:08.01 | Primer | this addon lowered my frame rate considerably when displaying tooltips |
| 02:08.45 | Primer | vhaarr: replacing all the string.find made a huge difference already |
| 02:09.38 | vhaarr | did you remove the strsplits by making it capture %d+ |
| 02:10.12 | Primer | no, all I did was add local fnd = string.find and s/string.find/fnd/g |
| 02:10.20 | Primer | for the enUS locale file |
| 02:11.32 | vhaarr | http://paste.wowace.com/1389/ |
| 02:11.54 | vhaarr | and wrap it all inside a |if r+b ~= 0 then|, whatever that if statement does |
| 02:12.49 | vhaarr | will save dozens of strsplit, and they're expensive |
| 02:13.09 | Primer | hehe I suggested he use GetItemStats(item), per NeoTron |
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| 02:13.48 | vhaarr | I just want to point out that I was aware of the function as well, but you didn't ask me the right questions, I thought you were looking to optimize it quickly |
| 02:14.08 | vhaarr | it would've been part of the next step, "clean up" |
| 02:14.11 | Primer | well, I'm actually offering to help the guy in my comment... |
| 02:14.33 | vhaarr | well, you're not actually helping him |
| 02:14.47 | Primer | as I feel that simply complaining about his addon without pointing out the problems makes me out to be an asshole |
| 02:14.50 | vhaarr | this channel is, and so far it's you, NeoTron and me |
| 02:15.15 | Primer | !api GetItemStats |
| 02:15.15 | lua_bot | GetItemStats: Returns a summary of an item's stat bonuses (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemStats) |
| 02:15.48 | vhaarr | you asshat, don't marginalize my contributions by ignoring me |
| 02:16.06 | vhaarr | say "true", or similar |
| 02:16.39 | Primer | You da man!! |
| 02:16.43 | Starinnia | true, vhaarr, very true |
| 02:16.44 | Primer | vhaarr: <3 and shit |
| 02:16.49 | vhaarr | I don't want your fucking love |
| 02:16.58 | Primer | :( |
| 02:17.02 | vhaarr | I want your acknowledgement that you're not the one actually helping him |
| 02:17.04 | Primer | BUT I TRULY LOVE YOU! |
| 02:17.21 | Primer | How about I mention you in my comment to him? |
| 02:17.32 | vhaarr | I don't give a fuck what he things |
| 02:17.34 | vhaarr | thinks* |
| 02:17.50 | Primer | "BTW, the great vhaarr from #wowace is the one that suggested all this and I just parrotted what he wrote" |
| 02:18.22 | vhaarr | I don't care, I just want you to recognize it |
| 02:21.22 | Primer | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/rhadatip-dps-tooltip/#comments |
| 02:21.23 | Primer | done |
| 02:22.35 | vhaarr | when women say "I don't care", they mean they want it and it really matters |
| 02:22.43 | vhaarr | when I say "I don't care", I mean "don't do it" |
| 02:23.01 | vhaarr | but I see how it can be confusing, so it's fine |
| 02:23.10 | vhaarr | :P |
| 02:23.42 | Azurewrath | i always said "i don't care" when i don't care... maybe i should change that? ;) |
| 02:23.56 | vhaarr | actually I just said the above because I thought it was funny |
| 02:23.58 | Primer | I feel that credit should be given where it's due |
| 02:24.24 | vhaarr | none of it was true, including the "it's fine" but |
| 02:24.25 | vhaarr | bit* |
| 02:26.12 | Primer | doh, the comment ate "~= nil" |
| 02:26.15 | Primer | it ate the ~ |
| 02:26.28 | Primer | if I edit the comment, the ~ is there |
| 02:27.58 | Primer | **~= nil** |
| 02:28.06 | Primer | to make it bold...also eats the ~ |
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| 02:28.25 | vhaarr | remove that suggestion anyway, it's not a noticable change |
| 02:28.53 | vhaarr | and if he changes to capturing the %d+ it goes away as well |
| 02:29.01 | vhaarr | which he should |
| 02:29.21 | vhaarr | ah you didn't suggest that |
| 02:29.33 | Primer | he should use GetItemStats(item)...I did suggest that |
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| 02:30.00 | vhaarr | dude it doesn't work that way, his addon is used by lots of people he needs to do things in steps |
| 02:30.14 | vhaarr | getitemstats is step 31 |
| 02:30.36 | vhaarr | fnd() with capturing %d+ is step 2 after |local fnd| |
| 02:31.31 | Primer | I want to get a better gauge of the performance impact for that, as I can't really test right now, despite having said that I did. There's a disk intensive update happening on my laptop, so that first test was flawed |
| 02:31.47 | Primer | besides, I didn't leave his code intact, as to get a good baseline case |
| 02:32.00 | vhaarr | who the fuck cares, I've told you what to say so far |
| 02:32.02 | vhaarr | now I'm telling you again |
| 02:33.03 | vhaarr | "Yes, the blizzard UI iterates over the tooltip for every onUpdate event, to account for cooldowns.", that's only for items in your character window or bags, or something, not tooltips opened from chat, for example |
| 02:33.13 | vhaarr | which are static |
| 02:33.20 | vhaarr | possibly also loot tooltips, I dunno |
| 02:36.01 | Primer | updated |
| 02:50.31 | Ingela | oh the boredom |
| 02:52.49 | Azurewrath | read some 4chan /b/, boredom gone ;) |
| 02:53.00 | Ingela | :D |
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| 04:57.40 | Mathies | Grum |
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| 05:14.17 | Ingela | http://pedulum.com/2009/11/lady-with-a-dog-walking-on-the-embankment-of-melbourne/ |
| 05:14.20 | Ingela | what an awesome dude |
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| 06:25.25 | Trela | yawns. |
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| 06:59.34 | Trela | Kaelten: Ping - Internal Server Error. http://www.wowace.com/ |
| 07:02.37 | Shirik | I know why |
| 07:02.43 | Shirik | look at the bottom |
| 07:02.45 | Shirik | Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu) mod_ssl/2.2.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8e mod_wsgi/2.0c4 Python/2.5.1 Server at www.wowace.com Port 80 |
| 07:02.47 | Shirik | Ubuntu == fail |
| 07:02.59 | Shirik | l2gentoo! |
| 07:04.24 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: l2debian |
| 07:04.31 | Shirik | nana |
| 07:04.35 | Torhal | l2IRIX |
| 07:04.38 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 07:07.18 | quiescens | l2(insertrandomobscureunixflavour) imo |
| 07:08.06 | Trela | Andriod. :P |
| 07:10.12 | Shirik | l2qnx |
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| 07:27.39 | nevcairiel | they are still running wsgi 2.0rc4? thats so old |
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| 07:29.39 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I believe that's an Ubuntu 8.x box...Kaelten was talking about upgrading soon-ish |
| 07:30.47 | nevcairiel | thats what i don't get about distros like ubuntu, mod_wsgi greatly improved from 2.0 to 2.5, yet they refuse to bump it in the tree, and you would have to do a system wide upgrade to get it, which causes alot of pain |
| 07:31.25 | nevcairiel | its not a ubuntu problem, its a problem of all binary distros |
| 07:33.10 | Torhal | Yah, I wanted to check out Songbird but Ubuntu wanted to install Firefox 3.0 for it so I grabbed a static binary instead |
| 07:33.41 | Shirik | psh |
| 07:33.43 | Shirik | binary distros |
| 07:33.51 | Shirik | reminds me, I need to do an update I think |
| 07:34.40 | orionshock | bleh.. ubuntu and upgrading... |
| 07:35.49 | Shirik | hugs portage |
| 07:39.39 | orionshock | i saw the update for 9.? to 9.10.. so i decided to do a clean install of it.. and im starting to regret it.. |
| 07:41.17 | quiescens | what did you break? |
| 07:41.23 | orionshock | yes... |
| 07:41.26 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:41.31 | quiescens | that wasn't a |
| 07:41.33 | quiescens | yes or no question |
| 07:41.34 | quiescens | lol |
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| 07:42.12 | orionshock | well, i've got this dual-monitor setup running 2 X sessions.. and aparently when you remove the notification tray from the gnome taskbar it crashes the the desktop manager... |
| 07:42.13 | harl | i wonder what my xp's uptime is.. |
| 07:42.14 | orionshock | >.> |
| 07:43.26 | harl | 49.829184 days .. oh well |
| 07:43.45 | harl | whatever |
| 07:45.58 | orionshock | wowace server down? |
| 07:46.09 | quiescens | you broke it |
| 07:46.11 | quiescens | ): |
| 07:46.33 | orionshock | i know.. |
| 07:47.23 | Shirik | !!! |
| 07:47.25 | Shirik | nevcairiel :( |
| 07:47.32 | Shirik | !!! Your current profile is deprecated and not supported anymore. |
| 07:47.38 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 07:47.43 | nevcairiel | you didnt update for a while, eh |
| 07:47.48 | Shirik | it hasn't been that long |
| 07:47.51 | Shirik | must have just happened |
| 07:47.57 | nevcairiel | just switch to the 10.0 profile |
| 07:48.29 | nevcairiel | its not really different for servers |
| 07:48.35 | nevcairiel | it just unlocked some X stuff that was masked before |
| 07:48.37 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:48.41 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:48.46 | orionshock | btw, with ubuntu.. what's what's wtih the MS core fonts being borked? |
| 07:48.47 | Fisker | you Shirik |
| 07:48.47 | Fisker | YOU |
| 07:48.52 | Shirik | oi, that broke something |
| 07:49.30 | Shirik | ah I need --newuse |
| 07:49.38 | Fisker | youuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 07:49.41 | Shirik | ow, Total: 55 packages (32 upgrades, 8 new, 1 in new slot, 14 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 198,447 kB |
| 07:49.43 | Shirik | 14 reinstalls |
| 07:49.49 | Shirik | to get in sync with the profile |
| 07:49.56 | harl | haha |
| 07:50.10 | harl | sorry |
| 07:50.37 | Shirik | I mean, I used --deep too, so |
| 07:50.42 | Shirik | whatever |
| 07:50.51 | nevcairiel | emerge -uDNav @world |
| 07:50.53 | nevcairiel | ! |
| 07:51.03 | Shirik | oh god I don't know the letters |
| 07:51.08 | Shirik | except -av which are default for me |
| 07:51.12 | Shirik | I did --update --deep --newuse |
| 07:51.19 | Shirik | what is @world? |
| 07:51.24 | nevcairiel | u pdate, D eep, N ewuse |
| 07:51.51 | nevcairiel | i use portage 2.2, @world is the world set |
| 07:52.14 | Shirik | that's new in 2.2? |
| 07:52.24 | nevcairiel | well no, in 2.1 its just world, without the @ |
| 07:52.28 | Shirik | well yeah |
| 07:52.29 | nevcairiel | but its handled differently in 2.2 |
| 07:52.31 | Shirik | I was referring to the @ |
| 07:52.41 | nevcairiel | 2.2 introduced sets |
| 07:52.55 | nevcairiel | while in 2.1 the world thing is magic |
| 07:53.09 | nevcairiel | in 2.2 its simply a set where all the packages are added into |
| 07:53.22 | nevcairiel | sets are like meta packages, just more usable |
| 07:54.29 | Shirik | you can configure your own? |
| 07:54.57 | nevcairiel | yea, just create a file in /etc/portage/sets and place the packages you want in the set in there |
| 07:55.34 | nevcairiel | that way you can install a complete set, and uninstall all packages in the set too |
| 07:55.36 | Shirik | neat |
| 07:55.52 | Shirik | Total: 44 packages (32 upgrades, 4 new, 1 in new slot, 7 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 187,394 kB final numbers |
| 07:55.59 | Shirik | half the use flags were totally unnecessary :P |
| 07:56.01 | nevcairiel | i think currently officially its only used for installing KDE |
| 07:56.14 | Shirik | why ldap is default on is beyond me |
| 07:56.54 | Shirik | that's a good use for it |
| 07:58.00 | Shirik | why am I recompiling timezone data |
| 07:58.08 | Shirik | did the earth geometry change while I wasn't looking? |
| 07:58.20 | nevcairiel | dunno, they release a new package every other month or so |
| 07:58.23 | nevcairiel | no idea what changes |
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| 08:20.03 | Subdino | I'm getting an "http 500" when trying to reach wowace.com, is there a running maintainance ? |
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| 08:25.04 | harl | there is only chaos in this universe. |
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| 08:25.47 | harl | some of which is less in certain places than in other. but chaos, nevertheless. |
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| 08:32.23 | Subdino | harl: one of the most general definition for life is "entropy generator" IIRC |
| 08:32.44 | Torhal | Subdino: Server is fubar |
| 08:33.44 | Subdino | hardware failure ? |
| 08:36.22 | Torhal | Subdino: Nah. Seems Friday is the programmed day for it to die. |
| 08:36.36 | Torhal | If we're lucky, Kaelten or ckknight will notice and reboot it. |
| 08:36.44 | Torhal | Else, Monday it shall return. |
| 08:37.12 | harl | "hi, this is friday. you died. game over." |
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| 09:07.11 | Trela | Blargh, the one time I plan to use a feature of add on development dependent on WoWAce, it is down. X3 Such is life! |
| 09:09.54 | harl | lo'n'behold! |
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| 09:27.26 | synthetic | hey wowace |
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| 09:28.53 | evl | Any way to get a list of attributes a frame supprts? |
| 09:29.20 | synthetic | wondering if anyone could help me, im wondering how libaries work? |
| 09:29.41 | synthetic | i noticed that when i enable an addon i get an fps boost of 10 |
| 09:30.11 | synthetic | so im thinking that libaries have something to do with it? |
| 09:31.16 | Trela | That makes no sense at all. |
| 09:31.55 | Fisker | slaps Trela around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:31.56 | Torhal | That hurt my brain. |
| 09:31.57 | Subdino | I believe it can make sense, but the link between oerceived cause and effect is very long |
| 09:31.59 | synthetic | it doesnt |
| 09:32.14 | Trela | fiskers Fisker around. |
| 09:32.18 | synthetic | when i enable bigwigs somehow my fps gets boost of 10 |
| 09:32.21 | synthetic | from |
| 09:32.25 | Subdino | s/oerceived/perceived/ |
| 09:32.38 | synthetic | ? |
| 09:32.44 | MysticalOS | i can't see an addon boosting frames, but perhaps one causing you to lose a 10fps with an out of date lib, and one you're enable has newer version of said lib, it could be fixing the bug? |
| 09:32.59 | Subdino | MysticalOS: that's my thoughts, yes |
| 09:33.04 | synthetic | thats what im not sure of |
| 09:33.08 | synthetic | or how to check |
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| 09:33.44 | Subdino | synthetic: disable all addons, check fps, enable bigwigs, check fps |
| 09:34.04 | Subdino | then enable all which were enabled before and recheck fps |
| 09:34.41 | MysticalOS | yeah, it's very likely it's an out of date lib probably spitting up all kinds of lua errors (which i find too many users turn off in ignorance of what they actually mean to game performance) |
| 09:35.03 | synthetic | im getting no errors |
| 09:36.09 | synthetic | oh i found it |
| 09:36.17 | synthetic | WIM was causing the problem |
| 09:36.27 | MysticalOS | and bigwigs was fixing it? |
| 09:36.56 | synthetic | i suppose so, thats possible? |
| 09:36.56 | Subdino | MysticalOS: I tend to think that wow is too kind to addons by letting them throw errors and keep them running |
| 09:37.09 | MysticalOS | yes |
| 09:37.23 | MysticalOS | how old is your wim? |
| 09:37.32 | synthetic | everything is up-to-date |
| 09:37.40 | synthetic | WIM caused a lot of problems when i think about it |
| 09:37.47 | synthetic | particular the who menu |
| 09:37.52 | synthetic | would always lag |
| 09:38.30 | MysticalOS | it's a server imposed lag by too many queries, wim does a who on anyone that logs on or logs off, or you open whisper with, :\ |
| 09:39.00 | synthetic | yeh its really annoying |
| 09:39.43 | Subdino | needs a guild to test his addon interacting with guild roster :'( |
| 09:40.26 | MysticalOS | i'd download bigwigs to see what libs it shares with wim but at the moment i'm getting internal server error from wowace |
| 09:40.49 | Subdino | there should be some "But I'm a developper !" option in the "create a guild" panel, bypassing guild chart restriction... |
| 09:41.52 | synthetic | yeh wowace is down |
| 09:42.25 | MysticalOS | only thing bigiwigs shares with wim is callback handler and shared media |
| 09:42.33 | yoshimo | wim still throws a lua error with talents, which i reported 2 revisions ago ;) |
| 09:43.52 | MysticalOS | the callback handler in bigwigs appears to be slightly newer but i don't recall of any bugs that coulda been fixed in it htat would make a 10fps diff, so I don't know how bigwigs can be fixing lag from wim |
| 09:44.29 | synthetic | im using another's ui so i dont know if its been modified in any way |
| 09:45.12 | synthetic | http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3682/wowscrnshot110709204112.jpg |
| 09:45.27 | synthetic | ignore the fps there i put my video settings on ultra |
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| 09:46.41 | synthetic | its really strange though, i go from 50 fps in ironforge to 13 fps in arena even before doors open |
| 09:47.00 | MysticalOS | actually that's not surprising |
| 09:47.23 | MysticalOS | ironforge is old world, it's partial 3d rendering with mostly hidden unfinished terrain that's unrendered |
| 09:48.02 | MysticalOS | old world is always gonna have massively higher fps, at least until cataclysm |
| 09:48.17 | synthetic | alright thanks :P |
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| 09:49.28 | Subdino | I hope cataclysm will only impact the view of the world for players above level 80 or something... like some qests in northrend where villages appear in places where there are mobs otherwise |
| 09:49.36 | Subdino | +u |
| 09:49.49 | synthetic | nope |
| 09:49.59 | synthetic | they're will be a patch just like the one before wotlk |
| 09:50.11 | Stew_a | and then the whole world changes for everyone |
| 09:50.20 | synthetic | there* o.O |
| 09:50.26 | synthetic | yeh |
| 09:50.49 | MysticalOS | cataclysm is going to greatly raise the video requirements for old world, to be far more similar of that of northrend |
| 09:50.50 | synthetic | theres no such addons to hide tool tips on the action bar unless shift is held right? |
| 09:51.08 | synthetic | its a good thing :) |
| 09:52.18 | MysticalOS | lag in stormwind is gonna be more like waht dalaran is now. buildings with complete rooftops, etc. |
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| 09:52.29 | MysticalOS | if your computer sucks, time to upgrade :) |
| 09:52.46 | synthetic | 256 graphics cards whats pulling me back |
| 09:53.07 | synthetic | wow runs smoother on windows 7 |
| 09:53.40 | MysticalOS | honestly wow is holding itself back, wtb 64 executable that isn't stuck at a 2GB memory allocation limit |
| 09:54.16 | MysticalOS | i've actually crashed wow before when the memory footprint of app tried to expand and hit the 2gb limit and failed out with memory error. |
| 09:54.16 | Torhal | MysticalOS: Actually using the GPU would be beneficial as well. |
| 09:54.34 | synthetic | we all cant spend 4,000 on new comps :P |
| 09:54.37 | MysticalOS | granted I had modified the texture memory to cache 512 megs instead of default pitiful size for major performance gain, but still |
| 09:54.57 | Arrowmaster | 32bit apps can be compiled so they can use more than 2gb on 64bit OS |
| 09:55.05 | MysticalOS | it was working good til i did algalon, i have it set to 256 texture cache now |
| 09:55.16 | MysticalOS | yeah, tell that to blizzard |
| 09:55.26 | MysticalOS | stupid app can also be compiled to use 8 cores on a duel quad core machine |
| 09:55.39 | MysticalOS | my computer sits with 6 idle cores and wow lagging in dalaran on 2 cores |
| 09:55.47 | Arrowmaster | crysis is an example of one, since their dev stuff is all 64bit |
| 09:55.58 | Arrowmaster | wow needs a complete rewrite to use more than 1 core |
| 09:56.26 | MysticalOS | this machine shoudln't be at 14fps in dalaran. not with it's stats, i blame the apps code |
| 09:56.46 | MysticalOS | well mac client will use 2, just not very efficently, and will ignore anything > 2 |
| 09:57.08 | Arrowmaster | the main thread is still only using 1 core |
| 09:57.17 | Stew_a | this machine runs crysis quite happily and still lags so badly with wow in dx mode that the system clock loses about 20 minutes an hour |
| 09:57.21 | Arrowmaster | only select subsystems are offloaded to a 2nd core, like sound |
| 09:57.36 | MysticalOS | lame |
| 09:57.42 | MysticalOS | yeah, i can run 4 wows at same time |
| 09:57.48 | MysticalOS | and they all run fast as first wow |
| 09:57.53 | MysticalOS | but one can't run awesome |
| 09:57.54 | MysticalOS | :( |
| 09:57.55 | Subdino | would love a native linux build over any other thing |
| 09:58.12 | synthetic | lol linux |
| 09:58.16 | nevcairiel | WoW doesnt exactly slow down because it lacks memory, the "needs moar ram on 64-bit os" argument is boring |
| 09:58.33 | Grum | [05:57:37] <Mathies> Grum <-- please ask what you have to ask so i can repsond when i get back =D |
| 09:58.33 | MysticalOS | oh I know nev |
| 09:58.38 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: on Macs they actually have a proper multithread opengl engine |
| 09:58.51 | Arrowmaster | seriously? |
| 09:58.55 | MysticalOS | but i have crashed it out when it did run out of memory before, but that's just when i set the texture cache too high |
| 09:59.04 | Arrowmaster | then why the fuck is opengl on windows not multithreaded |
| 09:59.14 | nevcairiel | Because the windows opengl libs dont do that well |
| 09:59.23 | nevcairiel | Mac has native threaded opengl |
| 09:59.32 | MysticalOS | well i'm hoping eventually blizz passes the instructinos to OpenCL |
| 09:59.38 | MysticalOS | and lets 10.6 handle the threading |
| 10:00.41 | MysticalOS | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Central_Dispatch rawr |
| 10:01.04 | Subdino | synthetic: ...yes ? |
| 10:01.15 | nevcairiel | that doesnt magically allow every app to run multithreaded MysticalOS |
| 10:01.31 | nevcairiel | it still requires an app to be designed with that in mind |
| 10:01.31 | Grum | needs major codechange and backwards compat :) |
| 10:01.34 | nevcairiel | it just simplifiys the task |
| 10:01.34 | synthetic | hehe |
| 10:01.40 | synthetic | i love people in the linux train |
| 10:01.41 | MysticalOS | that's what is aid, i hope blizz takes that direction |
| 10:01.45 | synthetic | on* |
| 10:01.54 | MysticalOS | said* |
| 10:01.56 | nevcairiel | I doubt they will change WoW that much |
| 10:02.14 | MysticalOS | i still wish they'd be more specific what they are screwing iwth in 3.3 |
| 10:02.16 | Arrowmaster | they wont since the rest of it is still so outdated |
| 10:02.17 | nevcairiel | It would require a rewrite of the whole engine |
| 10:02.28 | Grum | MysticalOS: how did you give wow extra memory for texture cache? |
| 10:02.31 | Subdino | synthetic: I don't see where we are getting here... but I think I will probably not like it |
| 10:02.36 | nevcairiel | multi-threading gfx is never an easy task |
| 10:02.39 | MysticalOS | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20140810131&sid=1 |
| 10:02.50 | synthetic | i know you wont :) |
| 10:02.50 | nevcairiel | you need to synchronize alot |
| 10:03.26 | Subdino | synthetic: then when there is nothing to say, the better is still to STFU |
| 10:03.45 | synthetic | aaah no harm done |
| 10:03.56 | Grum | btw, we only wish wow would use 2 cpus, it just does 1.5 orso :) |
| 10:04.01 | Subdino | "intention counts" |
| 10:04.06 | synthetic | i have no problem with linux for a non gaming os |
| 10:04.21 | synthetic | i just have a good experience with most penguin lovers detesting microsoft |
| 10:04.45 | MysticalOS | hmm new posts in that thread but still nothing to elaborate of what is so new about 3.3's improved opengl engine |
| 10:05.32 | synthetic | and btw the whole french police force has gone linux ~ |
| 10:06.14 | nevcairiel | They won't tell you, anyway |
| 10:06.15 | yoshimo | id love to see an engine rewrite for 4.0 |
| 10:06.42 | nevcairiel | They will never completly replace the engine |
| 10:07.04 | Arrowmaster | has any mmo? |
| 10:07.08 | nevcairiel | Wait for their next mmo if you want a new engine |
| 10:07.30 | Arrowmaster | their next mmo isnt supposed to be mainstream like wow |
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| 10:07.45 | nevcairiel | their next mmo has like zero details out yet |
| 10:07.56 | profalbert | one thing is for sure: |
| 10:08.01 | profalbert | It's an mmo |
| 10:08.23 | Arrowmaster | well they said they didnt intend for it to have as wide of an appeal as wow |
| 10:08.25 | synthetic | is there any news thats happening with night elfs and naga in catalysm? |
| 10:08.26 | Arrowmaster | or something like that |
| 10:08.34 | orionshock | ok, seriously is it me or is www.wowace.com down? it's giving me server borked error when going there |
| 10:08.38 | synthetic | are they re-opening that chapter? |
| 10:08.41 | nevcairiel | They must realize that WoW is getting old and rusty over the next 2-3 years, and if they want something new, it should better be able to replace WoW |
| 10:08.48 | MysticalOS | grum: SET textureCacheSize "268435456" |
| 10:08.49 | profalbert | orionshock: same here |
| 10:08.59 | MysticalOS | size is set in bytes |
| 10:09.03 | orionshock | profalbert: thx, im not crazy then :) |
| 10:09.04 | Grum | MysticalOS: yeah found a post somewhere, max is 512 |
| 10:09.08 | nevcairiel | didnt they change the textureCacheSize variable to take size in MB? |
| 10:09.15 | MysticalOS | 512 was good til i did algalon |
| 10:09.15 | nevcairiel | or was that for 3.3 |
| 10:09.17 | nevcairiel | wonders |
| 10:09.23 | MysticalOS | then as i said app crashed cause it hit 2gb limit |
| 10:09.27 | MysticalOS | 256 working good |
| 10:09.51 | Subdino | what's teh default size ? |
| 10:09.55 | nevcairiel | 32 |
| 10:09.56 | Grum | i wonder, i've seen my process get bigger than 2gb i think |
| 10:09.56 | Subdino | s/teh/the/ |
| 10:09.56 | MysticalOS | like 32MB |
| 10:10.03 | nevcairiel | I think they limited the maximum value too |
| 10:10.12 | nevcairiel | to avoid people crashing and blaming the game |
| 10:10.19 | nevcairiel | must've been for 3.3 |
| 10:10.29 | MysticalOS | it's not gonna boost your fps, it's just gonna cache more textures, so you might lag less if you say, spin in circles in dalaran |
| 10:11.01 | Grum | it will just save some disk io i reckon |
| 10:11.18 | MysticalOS | actually in 3.3 they added a new value for it |
| 10:11.22 | MysticalOS | 0 |
| 10:11.35 | MysticalOS | if you set it to 0 then it uses dynatmic caching based on your system |
| 10:11.39 | MysticalOS | instead of a set 32 |
| 10:11.51 | MysticalOS | that they did say was one of the new "features" of the new opengl engine |
| 10:11.53 | Grum | whoha |
| 10:12.06 | Grum | wow actually releases memory now when i port from Dalaran -> Ironforge |
| 10:12.22 | nevcairiel | they renamed the variable for 3.3 |
| 10:12.28 | MysticalOS | taht too |
| 10:12.37 | nevcairiel | its now gxTextureCacheSize and takes MB values |
| 10:12.44 | MysticalOS | yeah |
| 10:13.13 | Grum | i guess the bulk of the textures loaded is from items from players? |
| 10:13.25 | nevcairiel | and it only works with the dx backend, fwiw |
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| 10:13.50 | Grum | i used to be able to increase my wow's memory size to ~1.5gb easily by just visiting all major cities |
| 10:13.59 | Subdino | collision detected: dx backend vs opengl engine |
| 10:14.00 | nevcairiel | maybe the old var is still used for OpenGL |
| 10:14.09 | Subdino | ah, ok |
| 10:14.19 | nevcairiel | but opengl is ugly and slow anyway =P |
| 10:14.53 | MysticalOS | that's just the poor windows implimentation of it honestly, i think opengl on mac os x has come a long way, then again there isn't a dx on os x to compare it to |
| 10:15.24 | nevcairiel | its only faster on Macs because they have native multi-threaded-opengl |
| 10:15.27 | Subdino | MysticalOS: would they perchance use/contribute to mesa ? |
| 10:15.29 | nevcairiel | which fixes the loses |
| 10:15.41 | Subdino | or is it part of the proprietary part of osx ? |
| 10:15.49 | nevcairiel | But it still doesnt support shadows or some of the other gfx effects |
| 10:16.05 | Grum | shadows hurt your box as well :) |
| 10:16.16 | nevcairiel | true, but they make for nice screenshots |
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| 10:16.21 | Grum | aye |
| 10:17.13 | MysticalOS | well i noticed when upgrading to the 10.6 that wow miraclously supported several new lightning/shadow effects on the newer opengl drivers. felt like a new game for a few days |
| 10:17.35 | nevcairiel | I've written a small 3d app in opengl with shadows, since neither opengl nor DX offer automagic shadow calculations, its a hell of cpu cycles you have to use |
| 10:17.41 | nevcairiel | i understand how it gets so slow |
| 10:18.12 | Grum | yeah |
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| 10:18.46 | Grum | and then think of multiple sources+ambient etc :) |
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| 10:20.50 | yoshimo | i always wanted the forum integrated even more with the rest of the wowace page, but its the only part which works atm , more stable then the rest of it |
| 10:21.27 | nevcairiel | the python app running the page probably crashed somehow |
| 10:21.32 | nevcairiel | and the forums are still php |
| 10:21.35 | Subdino | OOM killer ? |
| 10:22.21 | Subdino | I have a server which tends to explode because of apache mod svn which is in python and tends to forget releasing memory |
| 10:22.42 | Subdino | and OOM killer doesn't do its job properly for some reason |
| 10:23.45 | Subdino | (old kernel and all) |
| 10:26.23 | synthetic | why does the curse client have to redownload addon list everytime? |
| 10:27.45 | MysticalOS | the dbm svn is down too at the moment. i can't toy with wowace or dbm, what a boring morning for me :( |
| 10:28.33 | synthetic | share your interface! =D |
| 10:29.44 | Subdino | is happy he did a git mirror of his svn repos |
| 10:30.31 | MysticalOS | i tend to login from day to day to see what syntax the localizers screwed up that day that's throwing up errors. heh |
| 10:31.05 | Subdino | ah, that can't be solved the "repos mirror" way |
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| 10:31.21 | Arrowmaster | thats easy to solve |
| 10:31.37 | Subdino | btw, I wanted to write a localization lib to avoid this, and make it possible to swap "%s" replacement chains |
| 10:31.56 | Arrowmaster | wow lets you do that already |
| 10:32.22 | MysticalOS | great translations, two of em are bad with comma's, and a third doesn't believe in commit messages. |
| 10:32.50 | Subdino | hehe |
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| 10:33.07 | yoshimo | you mean the guy who does the russian translations for dbm ? ;) |
| 10:33.12 | Subdino | doesn't the postcommit hook prevent commiting syntax errors ? |
| 10:33.32 | nevcairiel | thats why i use the locale thing on wowace whenever i can, goodbye translators messing with code |
| 10:36.52 | MysticalOS | thats ok i do my fair share of bad errors too. I wrote a very nice boss mod for my mounts collection only to have it go terribad because I had 2 typoes, 1 bad timer, and 1 function i forgot to call so it never fired. :) |
| 10:37.25 | MysticalOS | i had to tell my friend we were wiping anzu cause my mod was all types of fucked up. lol (have to borrow my druid friend) |
| 10:37.36 | Subdino | hehe, that's the kind of reason why I disabled irc notifications for about 50 commits :) |
| 10:38.27 | mojosdojo | wowace.com gives me a 500 |
| 10:38.40 | Trela | Yes, yes it does. |
| 10:38.52 | yoshimo | mojosdojo, forums works fine |
| 10:39.01 | mojosdojo | kk |
| 10:39.43 | Arrowmaster | bet it died coming back up from the reboot cron job |
| 10:39.52 | Arrowmaster | it old Kaelten that was a bad idea |
| 10:40.14 | Arrowmaster | s/it old/i told/ |
| 10:52.37 | synthetic | so nobody understands when i mean night elfs/naga in catalysm? |
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| 10:58.24 | Torhal | I understand, I just haven't heard any news. Nothing to share, nothing to say :) |
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| 10:58.30 | Torhal | bluspacecow: Wall of text! Go! |
| 10:58.39 | bluspacecow | wallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll |
| 10:58.42 | bluspacecow | walllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll |
| 10:58.47 | Torhal | Heh |
| 10:59.05 | bluspacecow | someone just mentioned wowmatrix on a thread |
| 10:59.11 | bluspacecow | must ....... resist .... urge |
| 10:59.52 | Torhal | bluspacecow: On WoWI? Yah, I ignored it. Seerah responded, but either missed the reference or ignored as well. |
| 11:00.08 | bluspacecow | nah |
| 11:00.12 | bluspacecow | mac tech support forums |
| 11:00.15 | Torhal | Aaah |
| 11:00.16 | bluspacecow | someone new to macs |
| 11:00.25 | bluspacecow | wanted to know how to install addons |
| 11:00.34 | bluspacecow | ill them to use the curse client |
| 11:00.35 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 11:00.41 | bluspacecow | www.wowace.com not loading :( |
| 11:00.51 | bluspacecow | "Internal Server Error" |
| 11:00.57 | Torhal | It asploded. |
| 11:01.02 | bluspacecow | oh rly > |
| 11:01.12 | Torhal | Almost every Friday. Like clockwork. |
| 11:01.35 | bluspacecow | i assume bmclemore@curse.com / apporiate person / Net knows about it |
| 11:01.35 | Torhal | I swear, it was put into the code as an elaborate prank. |
| 11:01.52 | bluspacecow | Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu) mod_ssl/2.2.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8e mod_wsgi/2.0c4 Python/2.5.1 Server at www.wowace.com Port 80 |
| 11:02.07 | Torhal | That e-mail addy is Kaelten. He will either miraculously appear this weekend, or it will be fixed Monday. |
| 11:02.30 | bluspacecow | right |
| 11:02.42 | bluspacecow | and now for something completely different |
| 11:02.43 | bluspacecow | http://amish-online-dating.com/ |
| 11:02.54 | Torhal | Yah, Wobin finds some amusing stuff. |
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| 11:03.00 | Hjalte | Who can resist a man with a beard? |
| 11:03.03 | Torhal | heh |
| 11:03.08 | bluspacecow | mmmm not i |
| 11:05.28 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 11:08.09 | bluspacecow | hey guys when was the iron curtain against wowmatrix thrown down ? |
| 11:08.40 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.55 | Wobin | I don't think there was a solid date, but you might want to browse the news archive on wowi |
| 11:08.58 | bluspacecow | the acutal block as no traffic ? |
| 11:09.14 | orionshock | day before 2.4 or 3.2 |
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| 11:10.34 | Wobin | yeah before the patchday |
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| 11:11.04 | bluspacecow | 14/04/09 |
| 11:11.09 | bluspacecow | the day of infamy |
| 11:11.29 | bluspacecow | tekkub received a bacon sundae on that date |
| 11:11.33 | bluspacecow | never been the same again |
| 11:12.42 | Subdino | on bare hands ? |
| 11:12.57 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 11:14.19 | Arrowmaster | it was right before 3.0 |
| 11:14.52 | bluspacecow | i found de thread actually |
| 11:14.55 | bluspacecow | go go google docs |
| 11:15.04 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069 |
| 11:16.11 | bluspacecow | wowace.com back up by stipping pictures in the avatars and signatures |
| 11:17.26 | profalbert | how can I create a Groupheader that displays the partytargets? |
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| 11:27.06 | orionshock | ` |
| 11:27.13 | bluspacecow | o |
| 11:27.21 | bluspacecow | mexican wave ? |
| 11:28.47 | orionshock | `` |
| 11:29.04 | bluspacecow | bees! |
| 11:29.07 | bluspacecow | oh noes |
| 11:29.10 | bluspacecow | <runs> |
| 11:29.13 | bluspacecow | <into a wall> |
| 11:29.29 | orionshock | ugum |
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| 11:31.17 | bluspacecow | !curseclient |
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| 11:36.00 | bluspacecow | Torhal |
| 11:36.01 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677865166&postId=208590842298&sid=1#11 |
| 11:36.07 | bluspacecow | one wall of text sir |
| 11:40.23 | Stew_a | so is aceforge going to be up today, or is this going to be one of those things that someone will come in monday morning and fix? |
| 11:42.48 | orionshock | im sure if we innondated Kaelten's IRC ping and email he'd notice tommarow morning :) |
| 11:44.33 | quiescens | yays |
| 11:44.47 | bluspacecow | forum threads are working |
| 11:49.54 | quiescens | or so you think |
| 11:53.17 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677676894&sid=1 |
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| 14:58.42 | KriLL3 | is there an addon out there that filters incoming wispers for "heal" "healing" "healer" from random people and send back: "I'm not a ****ing healer!" get at least 20 wispers like that a day |
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| 15:03.05 | yoshimo | same happens for my paladin, but its tank in my case |
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| 15:09.36 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: http://www.shortnews.de/start.cfm?id=797570 |
| 15:12.50 | nevcairiel | .. why do you even bother to link that? |
| 15:13.46 | Gnarfoz | because, obviously, aliens! |
| 15:14.07 | nevcairiel | right |
| 15:17.57 | Fisker | i'm not german Gnarfoz |
| 15:21.52 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: your loss |
| 15:22.02 | Megalon | sauerkratus Fisker |
| 15:23.20 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:23.21 | Fisker | slaps Megalon around a bit with a large trout |
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| 15:26.41 | Fisker | translate |
| 15:26.41 | Fisker | or die |
| 15:27.34 | Bruners | i agree with Fisker |
| 15:29.53 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: cool story |
| 15:30.41 | Gnarfoz | Obama's gonna hold a speech on 11/27 about USA's contacts to alien civilizations ^^ |
| 15:31.48 | Fisker | OMG! |
| 15:32.44 | Megalon | translates Fisker into cantonese |
| 15:34.53 | yoshimo | well the US always had a stargate program |
| 15:38.15 | Fisker | oh snap |
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| 16:06.05 | Stew_a | yay wowace is back up |
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| 17:04.21 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz lol |
| 17:04.52 | sylvanaar | perhaps hes refering to the pilgrims and indians |
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| 17:21.18 | mitchnull | doh, the packager created a beta out of my alpha |
| 17:21.37 | mitchnull | apparently some-tag-name-alpha works, but some-tag-name-alpha-2 doesn't |
| 17:24.01 | mitchnull | luckily my user base is so small only 13 ppl downloaded the wrong version :P |
| 17:24.38 | Stanzilla | I did! |
| 17:26.32 | mitchnull | did it mess things up? :) |
| 17:26.53 | mitchnull | I forgot to remove the keylogger from it... |
| 17:27.01 | mitchnull | and it's not quite stable yet |
| 17:27.59 | mitchnull | in any case, how do I revoke a "beta" from curse.com? |
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| 17:47.33 | Arrowmaster | mitchnull: it clearly says in the kb that it has to end in alpha |
| 18:13.25 | Funkeh` | Repo, ping |
| 18:13.26 | Repo | pong |
| 18:13.29 | Funkeh` | Repo, ping |
| 18:13.30 | Repo | pong |
| 18:13.33 | Funkeh` | WORK BITCH |
| 18:13.55 | Lysithea | <Repo> working |
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| 18:15.57 | mitchnull | arrow: good. next time I'll do better :P |
| 18:16.42 | mitchnull | so, will manually marking my zip alpha remove it from curse? |
| 18:20.10 | robotusch | god damn it, I'm so bored I'm contemplating opening up Aion |
| 18:22.08 | mitchnull | is it that bad? :)_ |
| 18:22.44 | robotusch | indeed |
| 18:23.07 | robotusch | especially since I can't get on PTR :/ |
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| 20:10.10 | mitchnull | yay, r100 is v1.4.0, nice |
| 20:10.15 | mitchnull | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.34 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-1: 03Whitetooth * r91 LibStatLogic-1.1/LibStatLogic-1.1.lua: |
| 20:11.36 | Repo | - Improved support for Warlock: Demonic Knowledge: Now uses ADD_SPELL_DMG_MOD_PET_STA, ADD_SPELL_DMG_MOD_PET_INT, ADD_PET_STA_MOD_STA, ADD_PET_INT_MOD_INT. Where PET_BONUS_STAM is actually 0.75 instead of 0.3. |
| 20:11.57 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r384 / (2 files in 1 directory): blacklist update |
| 20:12.04 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-1: 03Whitetooth * r92 LibStatLogic-1.1/LibStatLogic-1.1.lua: - Optimized StatModTable for load time |
| 20:12.12 | Repo | 10flag-rsp2: 03Azxiana * r11 / (8 files in 2 directories): Commented out strip replacements. |
| 20:12.17 | Repo | Massive localization update. Moved to using AceLocale to facilitate using WoWAce's translator system. |
| 20:12.24 | Repo | 10flag-rsp2: 03Azxiana * r12 localization (3 files in 1 directory): Decided to make English localization not be handled by WoWAce's localization tool. |
| 20:12.25 | Repo | Apparently it is zhCN, not znCH. |
| 20:12.37 | Repo | 10flag-rsp2: 03Azxiana * r13 /: hgtags |
| 20:12.40 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03Whitetooth * r270 RatingBuster.lua: - Fixed Warlock: Demonic Knowledge |
| 20:12.46 | Repo | 10flag-rsp2: 03Azxiana * r14 flagRSP2.lua: Fixed missing translations. |
| 20:12.48 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r385 / (2 files in 1 directory): phishing update |
| 20:12.54 | Repo | 10tomquest2: 03gagou * r264 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 20:12.55 | Repo | add option to hide zone collapse button for quests tracker and quests tooltip |
| 20:13.09 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03Torhal 07master * Alpha4-92-g9000ffa Frame.lua: [+3 commits] |
| 20:13.11 | Repo | 9000ffa: In addon:DisplayFrame(): Changed some occurrences of addon.Whatever to self.Whatever. Replaced SwtSwitchertexture() with self.Frame.mode_button:ChangeTexture() |
| 20:13.15 | Repo | d1d03e7: In InitializeFrame(): Renamed Collectinator_SwitcherButton to mode_button, removed its polluting of the global namespace, and re-factored SetSwitcherTexture() to be mode_button:ChangeTexture(). Also moved the actual creation of the textures outside of the function so it only happens once. |
| 20:13.17 | Repo | 5cc3b96: In progress_bar:Update(): Added missing "then", changed "knownfiltered" to "known_filtered". Cursed dry-coding one thousandfold. |
| 20:13.34 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 07bulk-config * r98 / (3 files in 3 directories): ready for merge |
| 20:13.37 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r99 / (5 files in 3 directories): merge branch bulk-config, close ticket-6 |
| 20:13.40 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 04v1.4.0 * r100 : Added bulk-configuration option (fix ticket-6) |
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| 20:35.27 | mitchnull | torhal: I closed you ticket-6 on Bazooka. check if all is well :) |
| 20:36.22 | Torhal | mitchnull: Will do |
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| 21:03.13 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03Torhal 07master * Alpha4-99-g6d85b40 Frame.lua: [+7 commits] (3 truncated) |
| 21:03.15 | Repo | 6d85b40: In addon:GenericCreateButton(): Check for existence of tooltipText before checking its value. |
| 21:03.16 | Repo | 2a8564c: In addon:GenericCreateButton(): Changed CreateTexture() calls to not globally name the textures. |
| 21:03.18 | Repo | f6bb9f6: In addon:GenericCreateButton(): Removed some dead code. |
| 21:03.19 | Repo | aa995d3: Anchor Collectinator_ExpGeneralOptCB to filter_button (was Collectinator_FilterButton). |
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| 21:30.23 | mitchnull | syndication broken or just curse's caching is making fun with me? |
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| 21:34.49 | Archarodim | why LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0"):AddToBlizOptions() doesn't create subcategories with subgroup? |
| 21:35.09 | nevcairiel | because thats not how it works |
| 21:36.00 | Archarodim | you have to make an option table for each category? |
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| 21:39.11 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe * r122 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 21:39.13 | Repo | Added Pala-HoT (Flash of Light), Earth Shield and Gift of the Naaru |
| 21:39.14 | Repo | Started cleaning up, not done yet... |
| 21:39.15 | Repo | Probably not working correctly for non-English or German Clients (localization not updated yet) |
| 21:40.06 | Trela | ~api |
| 21:40.13 | Trela | ~wowapi |
| 21:40.13 | purl | (.*?) http://www.wowwiki.com/API_$1 |
| 21:40.21 | Trela | ~wowapi CreateFrame |
| 21:40.49 | Trela | Love you too, purl. |
| 21:41.19 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03Torhal 07master * Alpha4-103-gdf646d1 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 21:41.22 | Repo | df646d1: In InitializeFrame(): Make the WoTLK obtain checkbox show on the second column of the Obtain flyaway. |
| 21:41.23 | Repo | f56badc: In addon.DoFlyaway(): Make the Obtain panel dual-column. |
| 21:41.24 | Repo | f8c47ee: Linked the Sea Turtle's acquire type to its achievement (though not its filter flag) and removed custom string 25. |
| 21:41.24 | Repo | dea90a7: Removed the instance filter flag from the Time-Lost Proto-Drake. |
| 21:41.45 | Torhal | !api CreateFrame |
| 21:41.46 | lua_bot | CreateFrame: Creates a new Frame object (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame) |
| 21:41.51 | Torhal | Trela: ^^ |
| 21:42.25 | Trela | Tanks. :P I used purl's advice. |
| 21:42.40 | Trela | is moving away from .xml files for some reason. |
| 21:45.35 | Torhal | Because it's easier to do dynamically? :) |
| 21:47.26 | Trela | Yes! Also I do not need tons of XML code just to say I need a frame with a button in it. |
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| 21:54.35 | ThiefMaster | hi, any idea why this hook isn't always properly set (the function is called in the original addon and my hook function isn't. during development when i used /reloadui it always worked fine): http://tm.privatepaste.com/710Tfk71F1 |
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| 21:57.36 | Arrowmaster | ThiefMaster: OnEnable is run on PLAYER_LOGIN which is after VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 21:58.02 | ThiefMaster | so in OnEnable i can be sure that all active addons are loaded? |
| 21:58.10 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 21:58.28 | Arrowmaster | unless they do stuff on PLAYER_LOGIN or later too |
| 21:59.50 | ThiefMaster | i doubt it, and even if they do i don't need the function to be hooked that early |
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| 23:22.15 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r6781 Plugins (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 23:22.17 | Repo | Add options for clickable bars, not finalized or implemented, just for UI review so far. |
| 23:23.21 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r153 / (5 files in 2 directories): Fixed bug in stack sizes. |
| 23:23.23 | Repo | Updated French and Russian localizations. |
| 23:23.24 | Repo | Bumped version number to 1.5.1. |
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