IRC log for #wowace on 20091106

00:04.32kadrahilfunny, repo is ignoring my addon :D
00:06.33kadrahiland so is wow
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00:16.15Ingeladid someone say something in here
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00:19.32ckknightkadrahil: you made it on curseforge.
00:19.51ckknightkadrahil: if you join #curseforge, you'll see repo spouting off
00:20.30Repo10guilder: 03onaforeignshore * r15 / (12 files in 3 directories): added localisation files
00:22.03Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r6768 / (80 files in 13 directories):
00:22.05Repo* Reduce the number of LibStub invokations we do on load by adding 2 convenience APIs to the boss prototype for locales.
00:22.21kadrahilckknight: oh
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00:28.18Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r6769 / (2 files in 2 directories):
00:28.20RepoAdd a release procedure checkpoint for next release about Auriaya engage trigger translations.
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00:59.36Repo10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r6770 / (7 files in 7 directories): * Malygos: Make the Spark thing clear
00:59.38Repo* Onyxia: Remove overhead
00:59.39Repo* Hodir: Add optionHeaders
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01:00.05Repo10guilder: 03onaforeignshore * r17 / (23 files in 4 directories): Merge with main
01:00.06Repolocalisation
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01:04.45NeoTronconsidering how gearscore propagates stuff, it seems like it would be almost trivial to poison the data
01:05.21NeoTronI don't think the concept itself is necessarily flawed, but it's a broken implementation of a good idea (i.e imba.nu = good implementation of the same idea)
01:05.32NeoTronand using it as religion is worse :P
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01:22.48Repo10guilder: 03onaforeignshore * r18 / (12 files in 3 directories): renamed locale files
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01:49.11Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r6771 Citadel/Deathwhisper.lua: Fix Mana Barrier spell ID.
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01:50.32winkswell, it works now
01:50.45winksfile -> sendTo and I POST it to some webspace
01:51.20winksthink it would be quite a bit easier in python, given one has python on his windows machine
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02:02.59Primercurl.exe
02:03.21PrimerIs what I used when I needed to upload crap from windows
02:03.42PrimerPOST to WWS or something to a web page
02:04.54Repo10guilder: 03onaforeignshore * r19 Locales/enUS.lua: removed line from enUS
02:05.09Primers/to/a/
02:05.29winksyeah, I was just curious
02:05.38winksyears since I did serious JS
02:06.05Primer<-- does JS every day
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02:34.07Repo10bazooka: 03mitch0 07bulk-config * r95 / (2 files in 2 directories): mostly works, only needs some polish now
02:35.46mitchnullyssaril: what seem to work for me: if you set item-tooltip, call GetItemInfo repeatedly until it gets valid with a timeout of about 10 secs. next item if either "found" or timeout
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02:40.43Arrowmastermitchnull: you can just use the OnTooltipSetItem for that, it will be called a second time when an uncached item is in the cache after receiving the info from the server
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02:47.31mitchnullarrow: I still need to watch for a timeout though
02:47.35mitchnullanyway, /tired
02:47.42mitchnulllaterz
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03:04.38Repo10killguildgreet: 03Starinnia * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): initial commit
03:04.40RepoBlock automatic messages from GuildGreet and GuildGreet Extended
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03:17.59Repo10killguildgreet: 03Starinnia * r3 KillGuildGreet.toc: fix loading in the toc
03:22.40Repo10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r149 / (5 files in 2 directories): Added cancel undercut and cancel all features.
03:25.34Repo10killguildgreet: 03Starinnia * r4 / (3 files in 1 directory): don't really need AceAddon...
03:27.17Arrowmasterwhy would you make an addon to block those messages?
03:27.33Arrowmasterid make an addon to gkick people for those messages
03:30.26Shirik^
03:30.39ShirikI have kicked people
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03:37.06Repo10killguildgreet: 03Starinnia * r5 Core.lua:
03:37.08Repoactually block the messages now that testing is basically done
03:39.23Repo10killguildgreet: 03Starinnia * r6 Core.lua: adjust the debug output
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03:55.09Repo10killguildgreet: 03Starinnia * r7 Core.lua: fix a stupid upvalue mistake
03:58.22TorhalThe old GM of my guild had a RL friend who normally played Alliance, but would occasionally log in Horde (as a member of the guild) and do NOTHING but type "Welcome!" and "Welcome back!"
03:58.29TorhalI wanted to fucking kill him AND the GM.
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04:25.19Repo10killguildgreet: 03Starinnia * r8 Core.lua: kill automatic debug printing in alphas
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04:49.54chiperdoes PB4 no longer support main tanks?  it's curiously absent from the unit group menu
04:51.34Fiskerit does
04:52.12FiskerIt's kinda hidden under raid targets i believe
04:55.02chiperI would assume raid targets would be... raid targets
04:55.10chiperthats what they were in PB3
04:56.22Groktarit's there
04:56.29Groktarlook in filters
04:56.42chiperohhh, ok
04:56.46chiperty
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06:12.05Repo10collectinator: 03Torhal 07master * Alpha4-84-gb8b9b7e Collectinator.lua: [+1 commit] In the tooltip hook: If the shift key is held down before mousing over a vendor, the tooltip will show all pets - even those already known - that the vendor sells.
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06:39.58Repo10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r150 Locale (6 files in 1 directory): Updated localization files.
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06:49.52Repo10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r151 / (3 files in 1 directory): Bug fix in vendor check.
06:49.54RepoBumped version number to 1.5.
07:04.46Repo10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg 04v1.5 * r152 : Tagging as v1.5
07:04.48RepoChanges:
07:04.49Repo- Better cancellation interface
07:04.50Repo- New confirmation dialogs
07:11.12Repo10yssinstancemaps: 03yssaril 07master * f568ff3 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
07:11.14Repof568ff3: started working on an Item Query system
07:11.15Repo8d7cb6d: add 8th floor to ICC
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07:30.38mitch0didum
07:32.17mitch0torhal: ping
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07:34.45Torhalmitch0: pong
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07:37.57mitch0ah. cool. are you in a mood to test stuff?
07:39.23TorhalSure
07:39.48Repo10bazooka: 03mitch0 04bulk-config-alpha-2 * r96 : tagging for some testing
07:39.51mitch0^^
07:40.30TorhalOne sec :)
07:45.50mitch0& (coffee) but don't hold back the feedback ;)
07:46.10Repo10revelation: 03Torhal * r104 Revelation.lua:
07:46.12RepoIn AddRecipe(): Put the amount of each thing that can be created in parens to the right of the spell name.
07:46.13RepoIn IterEnchant(): Check the item's subtype against the word "Staves" instead of "Staff" - this actually makes casting "Enchant Staff - Whatever" work for staves. Bah. Localizations needed for "Staves".
07:47.07Repo10revelation: 03Torhal 043.2.2-1.3.1 * r105 : Tagging as 3.2.2-1.3.1
07:47.18TorhalOk, logging out to update Bazooka.
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07:53.50Torhalmitch0: Ack! Hate! Flee!
07:54.10TorhalEnabling plugins by default == "Head ASPLODE"
07:54.45TorhalEspecially if you've been using a different display addon, or more than one for different purposes..
07:55.06Torhalhaving them all turned on means wading through and disabling/whatnot so you actually have room on the bar to put stuff where you want it
07:55.25nevcairieldisabling all plugins by default is kinda silly for new users, they installt it and wonder why nothing shows
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07:56.39mitch0torhal: you can just drag the unneeded stuff off the bars
07:57.05mitch0drop it somewhere where no bazooka bar is around
07:57.20mitch0(when you see no drop position highlighted on any bars)
07:57.39TorhalEh, all I know is I had 14 new plugins all cluttered on my 1st bar
07:58.10mitch0or go to bulk settings, select the ones you don't need, and bulk-disable them! :)
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07:58.36mitch0torhal: those are probably "broken" plugins anyway :P they don't provide a proper dataobj.type
07:58.53TrelaOddness, Omen is giving me two minimap buttons.  I suspect another add on is at fault though.  o.o;
07:59.28Repo10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r80 SyncFriends.lua: Check friend list has been loaded upon importExport call.
07:59.29mitch0trela: broker2fubar?
07:59.44Trelamitch0: Negative.
07:59.52Torhalmitch0: Hmm....I always thought TradeSkillInfo's DO was a launcher...may be wrong.
08:00.09TorhalTen of them were Cork
08:00.10TorhalHeh
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08:01.09mitch0in the previous config I disabled these "unknown" addons by default. but that made at least one person ditch Bazooka, as "some of his stuff didn't work" :)
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08:02.21mitch0nev: how are options ordered if their 'order' is the same?
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08:03.21Torhalmitch0: Ok, looks good so far. I selected all bars, checked icon size, changed that, same with font, hit apply and boom.
08:03.53mitch0torhal: did you try the "Auto apply" toggle?
08:04.13TorhalNo, doing that now
08:04.25TorhalNice
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08:07.05mitch0what I'd like to add: "select all" and "clear" buttons for the plugin/bar selection, and somehow make the plugins not jump around in the non-bulk plugin settings when they change color due to enable/disable
08:07.07Torhalmitch0: Looks good. The reason I kvetched about the auto-on is that Fortress (and SBC, and others) do that, and I use Fortress for a few of my plugins so I can dynamically position them...it gets annoying to have to turn off things I don't want in Fortress all the time when trying new plugins. But I can fix that easier with Bazooka. Drag/drop off bar
08:07.59mitch0torhal: you can have "Fortress" minus "sticky blocks" with bazooka now
08:08.27TorhalYah, I like the sticky for what I'm doing.
08:08.50mitch0(well, horizontal sticky is almost the same, just not vertical and other funny stuff)
08:09.04mitch0check the "Fit to content width" option for bars
08:09.26mitch0sec afk
08:09.30TorhalYah, I messed with that the first day I was checking it out
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08:10.43Torhalmitch0: Maybe an "Auto-enable" general plugin option, defaulted to on? I'd turn it off and <3
08:12.17TorhalIf not, no biggie - the drag and drop off of the bar will work.
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08:37.47digmouseThe internal quest tracking does not look good :(
08:37.56digmouseunless mapster handles it
08:39.36mitch0torhal: the auto-enable thing is only ever a problem on fresh install
08:40.13mitch0later on I bet most users would like if new DOs showed up otherwise they won't even notice them when they install stuff
08:41.30TrelaYargh, damn mysterious Omen button, BEGONE!
08:41.33mitch0actually, an "on-first install run wizard" thing might be useful
08:41.42mitch0trela: what was it?
08:41.47mitch0I mean, which addon
08:41.52Trela...I have no idea yet.  The button is still there.
08:42.08mitch0ah :) thought you managed to remove it
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08:42.54TrelaUnloaded Titan Panel, no change.  :O
08:45.39mitch0trela: ditch titan, install Bazooka :)
08:45.48TrelaTHERE!
08:45.58TrelaLibFuBarPlugin-3.0 was the problem.
08:46.11TrelaWhich I have no idea why I still had that loading.
08:46.18mitch0that one should've been ditched at least half a year ago :P
08:46.53TrelaIt worked.
08:48.07TrelaSo Bazooka, made by you, is pretty much a ChocolateBar/TitanPanel clone?  :P
08:49.51mitch0well, it's actually a FuBar clone
08:50.02mitch0I never even saw Titan
08:50.16mitch0I did steal nice ideas from other displays though
08:50.33mitch0and the center-left center-right areas are (yet) unique to Bazooka
08:50.47mitch0also, the plugin placement in general is the best, imo
08:51.17TrelaTitan Panel just gives me a bunch of good defaults.
08:51.22mitch0funny thing, I created it mostly for Pneumatus and the bastard haven't even looked at it yet...
08:51.24TrelaI mean LDB displays.
08:51.28Trela..Launchers, what ever.
08:56.37nevcairiel<PROTECTED>
08:56.43nevcairielwoops
08:57.32Kalrothchannel spammer!
08:57.41nevcairieli somehow got a space in there
08:57.49Shiriknevcairiel
08:57.55ShirikI demand this spammer be banned
08:58.05Shiriki=quasselc@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/nevcairiel
08:58.07Shirikban now please
08:58.23ShirikIf you do not comply I will be forced to attack
08:58.49nevcairielgo ahead
08:59.01ShirikI will not attack immediately
08:59.07ShirikI will do it when you least expect it
08:59.12Shirikone day you will turn around
08:59.16Shirikand Fisker will be standing right behind you
08:59.19Shirikand then you will know
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09:04.04mitch0torhal: how about this one: whenever a new (never before seen) plugin appears, a popup is displayed: "New plugin: <name> [Enable] [Disable] [Enable all new] [Disable all new]" ?
09:05.01KalrothYou forgot [Ok] [Cancel] [Try again] [Continue]
09:05.25Wobin[Big Red Button]
09:05.46mitch0"I removed all your files. Is it a problem? (yes/no)"
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09:05.54mitch0nev: I need help
09:06.21Fiskerslaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout
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09:07.47mitch0nev: I have a tree-style group, where the .name=xx changes (for the .args elements), and this makes the option jump around in the left-part "list"
09:07.48nevcairielso do i, but i dont see anyone writing my android app for me
09:08.06mitch0nev: does that make sense so far?
09:08.08nevcairielwell of course, its sorted by name
09:08.24mitch0ok, but the same thing does not happen in a multiselect
09:08.34mitch0(yet that also seems to be sorted by name)
09:08.44mitch0where is my assumption wrong?
09:09.15Kalrothmitch0: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200910/err1/errord.gif
09:10.22mitch0or the ultimate question: is there a way to make the names in the list not jump around? (I actully just add a |cxxxx |r wrapper around the name)
09:10.27mitch0kalroth: nice :)
09:11.05Kalrothhttp://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200910/err1/wtf_walpha_weather.gif I bet even Shirik can't tell us the relative humidity!
09:11.14mitch0my favourite was the windows 3.1 (or 95?) dialog with [ok] [cancel] [ignore] where all of the buttons did the same thing anyway
09:11.38WobinKalroth, sure
09:11.42Wobin"It's relatively humid"
09:11.47Shirikmost of that is irrelevant, Kalroth
09:12.00Shirikthe important part is 9.6/9.4
09:13.02mitch0nev: also, is your android app "work for hire", or just "I need an app, and nobody writes it for me" ?
09:13.05Shirikwhich leads you to
09:13.08Shirikabout 37%
09:13.22Shirikit's a little off
09:13.25Shirikbut pretty good
09:14.26ShirikI just did the math exactly
09:14.28Shirikit's 38%
09:14.34Wobinwas right
09:14.40Kalroththat's a bit low isn't it
09:14.42Wobin"It's relatively humid"
09:15.07Kalrothhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8344002.stm :(
09:16.02Shirik38% is relatively humid?
09:16.08ShirikWouldn't "relatively humid" be more like 50%?
09:16.34Wobindepends on what you're relating it to
09:16.50WobinKalroth, well it sure stopped those two =(
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09:18.16Shirikwait
09:18.18ShirikKalroth
09:18.22Shirikwas that not a math problem?
09:18.27ShirikThat was really on a website or something?
09:18.42Kalrothyeah, it was on Wolfram Alpha
09:18.44WobinShirik, the daily wtf?
09:18.53Shirikwell yes, but I mean the actual screenshot
09:18.55ShirikKalroth: nice
09:21.03jnwhitehhttp://apidiff.pastey.net/127677
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09:35.49mitch0nev is too busy fiddling with androids :(
09:36.49Kalrothawww
09:37.20Shirikno comment
09:40.28WobinDo androids dream of electric sheep?
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09:46.30Groktardreams of real sheep
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09:47.52KalrothWobin: More importantly, do sheep dream of mechanical androids
09:48.38stolen|schoolKalroth: only mechanical sheep do
09:49.07Kalrothso all androids are electric?
09:50.21stolen|schoolno
09:50.53stolen|schoolmechanical androids dream of electric sheep, which dream of electric androids, which dream of mechanical sheep, which dream of mechanical androids
09:51.01stolen|schoolit kinda makes sense
09:51.30Kalrothbut then "Do androids dream of electric sheep?" doesn't make sense - what kind of android is it?
09:51.37stolen|schoolask Wobin
09:51.41orionshockanyone know a good addon for flight times?
09:51.45orionshockone that's current?
09:51.54stolen|schoolI think carbonite could do it once
09:51.55stolen|schoolnot sure
09:52.02mitch0I hope you guys just pretend to not know where that quote comes from
09:52.12Kalrothmitch0: well duh :p
09:52.12orionshockstolen|school: craponite will never be installed on my computer
09:52.30mitch0the was some addon callad flightsomething
09:55.14evlWhere is SetAttribute defined? I suspect it's not in a lua file?
09:55.32mitch0orion: InFlight was it I think
09:55.48mitch0http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11178-InFlight.html
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10:08.29WobinKalroth, pft, =(
10:08.31Wobinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Androids_Dream_of_Electric_Sheep%3F
10:08.35WobinThe basis for Blade Runner!
10:13.55stolen|schoolevl: I suppose it is defined within the file secure templates are defined in aswell
10:14.43evlI can't find it anywhere, I've searched through all the code on live
10:15.26KalrothWobin: duuuh!
10:15.38KalrothWobin: I know where it comes from :P
10:15.47Wobinphew
10:15.54KalrothWobin: But that statement generalizes Androids!
10:16.27KalrothWhy would a mechanical or even an organical android dream of electric sheep?
10:19.01Wobinit's not a statement!
10:19.03Wobinit's a question!
10:19.26WobinYou could have just said "No" =(
10:22.48KalrothThat would hardly do the book justice
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10:44.42stolen|schoolKalroth: ill do it then
10:44.42stolen|schoolno
10:45.09KalrothI refuse to take that no in context of the book.
10:45.21stolen|schoolYou refusal has been refused
10:45.41KalrothYou cannot refuse a refusal
10:45.54stolen|schoolYou can refuse my refusal of your refusal
10:46.05KalrothThat is like saying no to a no when you really mean no
10:46.21stolen|school's head hurts
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10:50.37Mikk@describe findglobals
10:50.40RepoMikk: http://www.wowace.com/addons/findglobals/. FindGlobals. Checks .lua files for excess and/or involuntary global variable access. NOT AN ADDON.
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10:58.55MikkSoo... if I'm looking for a (personal) buff display addon that doesn't display much of anything while fighting.... what would that be?
10:59.13Mikk(I'm trying to optimize my UI to show as few frames as possible in combat - moar FPS!)
11:02.02Stanzillalike...missing buffs on yourself?
11:02.38MikkMissing buffs would be ok to display, sure
11:03.14StanzillaI use SSR (http://www.wowace.com/addons/simple-self-rebuff/) for missing self buffs.
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11:04.22MikkHum.. but that doesn't do anything about the default buff list
11:04.52MikkIdeally, I'd want nothing shown about buffs (given I have everything I should have)
11:05.14MikkAnd I mean not even the blizzard buff list
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11:13.53Stanzillaoh ok
11:16.07sztanpetgo for satrina
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11:33.05yoshimois there some kind of helperaddon for the well.read-achievement that guides you to all the books you need to read?
11:41.43Mikkprolly
11:41.55Mikkdid you check OverAchiever?
11:42.34yoshimoi have that one, but that only helps if you mouseover the missing books by accident
11:42.44yoshimoit doesnt have a list of where you need to go
11:43.28Stanzillacheck wowhead for a list
11:43.34Stanzillaand camp spawn points :D
11:44.54yoshimoi did that for the schools of arcane magic achievement but  well read shouldnt be that difficult
11:45.15Stanzillaoh
11:45.20StanzillaI actually confused the two
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12:23.52Daemonaon my server there was a custom channel for people camping the "Higher Learning" achievement, "Well Read" should be really simple.
12:24.12Daemonashockingly the channel was name "higherlearning" ;)
12:27.32Kalrothat least it wasn't "higherlaerning"
12:28.20StanzillaDaemona: not höheresstudium? :P
12:28.32nevcairielthe Well Read books don't disappear when you read them, there is no need for a channel
12:28.43nevcairielyou just have to tour the world
12:41.15Fiskeryou just use general chat nevcairiel
12:45.25yoshimothere are multiple copies of one book and collecting all spawnlocations takes a while ;)
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13:07.49evlFinding documentation on exactly how to prevent taint isn't exactly easy. Still it seems some taint just doesn't really do much :(
13:07.51Repoadd BigWigs:NewBossLocale API to provide foreign locales cleaner. Update all zones to use  to use it.
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14:40.00marshenhi there, any bigwigs dev here (or can anyone post there channel? :X)
14:40.23Funkeh`#bigwigs
14:40.50marshenthx
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15:07.22sylvanaarWTB STO closed beta invite...PST
15:08.03sylvanaarhttp://www.startrekonline.com/
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16:08.10sztanpethere we go *braces*
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16:10.19sztanpetfew irc servers got rebooted
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16:36.39CyberKiLLis there any type of addon that shows when people in your friends list was last online?
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16:41.04HirsuteThe best it could do, I think, is tell you when you last saw them online.
16:41.16Hirsute(ie, if they log on while you're not there, it couldn't know that)
16:41.57HirsuteOf course, I could be wrong, too.
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16:44.34Wobinbest way is to have all your friends in your guild!
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16:45.08Ackisi have no friends
16:45.39pentium166fisker still loves you
16:45.49Ackishe just uses me for sex
16:47.17|ckknight|we need to hire .NET people
16:47.24|ckknight|so Ackis, learn .NET
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16:47.40Starinniayou want the drycode hero writing .NET code for you?
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16:47.55ckknightStarinnia: well, the compiler takes care of that
16:47.56ckknight...right?
16:48.02WobinWe are the drycode heros!
16:48.09WobinWe are the the one that are gonna last forever!
16:48.11StarinniaI think he could break the compiler
16:49.18Ackiswow lol
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16:52.39kadrahilWobin: ROFL
16:53.21kadrahilckknight: i ditched the whole iframe and just used a simple div
16:53.27AckisI just got Wobin's reference
16:54.08ckknightkadrahil: good.
16:54.32kadrahilckknight: now to implement a wysiwig editor :/
16:54.39WobinAckis, and now it's stuck in your head? =)
16:54.48ckknightkadrahil: hey, we're actually gonna start working on that, soon
16:54.50ckknightopen-source
16:54.53kadrahilckknight: !
16:54.54ckknightprobably will use jQuery
16:55.00AckisWobin: possibly
16:55.02sylvanaardoesnt google have one they let you use?
16:55.10kadrahilsylvanaar: a wysiwig editor?
16:55.11ckknightwe have been using TinyMCE, but it's rife with issues
16:55.18ckknightand lots of shit that we don't frankly need
16:55.23kadrahilckknight: ah
16:55.27Wobingoogle just released their js library
16:55.43Wobinhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/google-opens-up-its-javascript-development-toolbox-to-all.ars
16:55.44sztanpetckeditor (the new one) looks promising
16:55.47kadrahilckknight: i just need one that lets you switch between source and wysiwyg style
16:55.48sylvanaaryeah the template library
16:56.06kadrahil(and i just realized that i typed wysiwig earlier)
16:56.15kadrahilwhat you see is what i get?
16:56.21kadrahillol
16:56.24Wobinsounds good to me =)
16:57.23kadrahilckknight: autoscrolling divs are where it's at, heh
16:57.35ckknight:P
16:58.11Rewadhi there, I have a little question: how to declare a local variable (which is nil in the first moment) correct? please look here for examples: http://paste.wowace.com/1383/, thank you
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16:58.40HirsuteWouldn't it just be local foo?
16:58.56kadrahilyes...
16:59.04Rewadlocal foo?
16:59.04Hirsutelua> local foo print(tostring(foo))
16:59.32Hirsutelocal declares the following variable as local, then you name the variable
16:59.58HirsuteHrmmm.  Looks like lua_bot didn't make it back from the server restarts.
17:00.31kadrahilckknight: i'm writing this html editor/validator/previewer tool for a contractor we're hiring to validate about 1500 html partials in a database
17:01.03RewadI normaly use local local_variable = "something", is this wrong?
17:01.15Hirsutethat doesn't make it local
17:01.33Hirsutethat names it "local_variable", leaving it in the global scope
17:01.44kadrahillocal Fisker
17:01.48kadrahilFisker = "bar"
17:01.58kadrahilmakes it local, amirite?
17:02.06HirsuteIf I want a variable, foo, to be local, I have to declare it that way, like this --> local foo = "whatever"
17:02.15Wobinwait
17:02.18kadrahilHirsute: he actually did that
17:02.24Wobinhe said he uses 'local local_variable = blah'
17:02.25Rewadyes that is that what i do
17:02.31kadrahillol
17:02.37HirsuteAh
17:02.38kadrahiltoo many locals!
17:02.41Hirsute<--needs to l2read
17:02.44ulicyou don't have to assign it anything when you declare it, "local foo" creates foo as a local variable
17:02.47Rewad:)
17:02.48kadrahillocalizes Hirsute
17:02.56Wobinlocalises Hirsute
17:02.59Hirsuteulic is correct.
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17:03.04Rewadha, thank you ulic
17:03.05kadrahilamericanizes Wobin
17:03.06ulicbut yo can assign it something if you want to.
17:03.16Wobinrestoftheworldises kadrahil
17:03.17HirsuteI've now been localiz(s)ed to multiple continents.
17:03.21kadrahilcries
17:03.24Rewadso example1 (http://paste.wowace.com/1383/) allready works?
17:03.32ulicit's basically equal to nil/false unless you assign it something.
17:03.36HirsuteHrmmm.  Does that mean I have a doppleganger running around in Europe somewhere now?
17:03.43kadrahilWobin: it's americanese!
17:03.51ulicRewad: yep
17:04.09Rewadthank you, I wan's sure until now :)
17:04.16HirsuteRewad: All three would work, I'd go with the first.
17:04.19Rewad*wasn't
17:04.19WobinRewad, one and three have the same functionality
17:04.28Rewad:)
17:04.29Wobintwo is just a bit confusing is all
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17:04.49Wobinunless there's a global 'test' or file local test that could affect it
17:04.50kadrahiltwo would throw an error since test is not already defined
17:04.54kadrahil^ that
17:05.22Rewadthink two is to copy a global variable to a local one
17:05.32kadrahilit would be, yes
17:05.39HirsuteYou can assign a value to a variable at the same time as defining it, couldn't you?
17:05.47Hirsutes/couldn't/can't/
17:05.49kadrahilHirsute: yes
17:06.13HirsuteSo why is the second one broken? Oh, because there's no quotes around the test after the = sign.
17:06.28Hirsutegoes back to studying for his psychiatry exam now.
17:06.36kadrahilno, i was assuming that the test global wasn't declared previously
17:07.19Hirsutekadrahil: Aye.  Assuming no test global 2 would not work.  However, if line 15 was local test = "test" it would work fine, correct?
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17:08.32kadrahilWobin: i, i wish i could drycode, like dolphins, like dolphins can drycode
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17:09.27Ackisnooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
17:09.35kadrahilwe can be drycode heroes, just for one day
17:09.44kadrahilwe can be us, just for one day
17:09.51Wobinkadrahil, I can be your drycode baaaby! I can kiss away the pain
17:10.01kadrahilWobin: are we referencing different songs :(
17:10.05nevcairielyou guys are seriously nuts today
17:10.08Wobinyes we are =)
17:10.17WobinYou seemed to have bowie covered well enough =)
17:10.22kadrahilWobin: :D
17:10.38Ackiswe will dry-code! we will dry-code! ?
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17:11.11kadrahili am installing wow on my linux box at work
17:11.14kadrahilthis could be bad...
17:11.23Wobinwatches productivity drop
17:11.35kadrahilyeah, i'm going to have to be really careful :X
17:11.41kadrahiland restrict it to lunch hour or something
17:11.47nevcairiellike that will work
17:12.12kadrahilit'll have to, i'm not getting myself in trouble :P
17:13.11kadrahilwtb a simulator to test addon code without having to be in game
17:13.35nevcairielyou could write your own testsuite
17:13.43nevcairieldepends on how intensive you use the WoW API though
17:13.57kadrahilhm
17:14.31nevcairieli've thought about a simple UI emulator, but its a ton of work
17:14.48Wobinui is always messy
17:14.51kadrahilyeah
17:15.23Hirsutejust wishes he could find a good tutorial (free, online) on writing configuration GUIs for addons.
17:15.54nevcairieljust use one of the libraries for GUIs
17:16.31HirsuteThe addon I'm wanting to write the GUI for is pretty compact, such that any library I used would almost certainly be larger than the rest of the addon.  That just feels... wrong.
17:17.04nevcairielwriting config GUIs yourself is a boring and annoying task
17:17.13nevcairielnot hard, just boring
17:17.17Wobin~lazyness
17:17.51HirsuteMaybe I'll break and do it over this coming holiday.  
17:18.07nevcairielcoming holiday? you mean christmas?
17:18.10nevcairielthats like 2 month away
17:18.15sb|work1.5
17:18.18Wobinnot even =P
17:18.22Wobinwelcome to Christmas =)
17:18.33Hirsutenevcairiel: Nah.  I have an exam today, then I'm on holiday from school for two months.
17:18.39nevcairielah
17:18.46kadrahilschool :(
17:18.48sylvanaari wish i was in school
17:18.54HirsuteHeh.
17:19.08HirsuteI'm enjoying it.  Of course, I just finished a psychiatry rotation.  It's hard not to enjoy that.
17:19.26kadrahili've been finished with school for nearly a year now
17:20.25HirsuteHeh.  Depending on your definition of school, I won't be done for some years to come.
17:21.02HirsuteI've got 1.5 years of actual school left, but then 3-5 years of residency, too, which isn't a far throw from school.
17:21.06nevcairielI'll be done with "school" by end of march, where school is a university, but still, finally
17:24.33kadrahilwell i meant university too
17:33.16HirsuteGot my Bachelor's degree 5 years ago, 1.5 years of med school left.  I'll be happy to be done.
17:33.32AckisFisker: http://raptr.com/Ackis/
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17:40.24WobinAckis, rofl
17:40.27Wobin6hrs?
17:40.38Ackisof what?
17:40.45WobinDA:O
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17:41.42Ackisah
17:41.52Ackiswatch it tonight/tomorrow my friend
17:41.53nevcairielmore shitty social tracking tools?
17:41.56nevcairielman this wont stop
17:42.03Wobinwelcome to Web 2.0
17:42.13Ackisnevcairiel: I link it because of Fisker :(
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17:46.24sylvanaarjust think there is already web 3.0
17:46.36nevcairielall those terms need to die anyway
17:46.51nevcairielthey always mean what the guy using them wants them to mean
17:46.58nevcairielthere is and never was a clear defintiion
17:47.51MikkHirsute: Check out Tekkub's little widgets. Single file per widget type.
17:47.55MikkVery light.
17:48.26Mikkwishes acegui's were that light and wonder why they're not
17:48.48kadrahilaww
17:48.52kadrahilwow doesn't work at all on my work box
17:49.07nevcairielno 3d acceleration, eh?
17:49.14kadrahilit has acceleration, just not very good
17:49.22kadrahili think it's a really low end ati card
17:49.54kadrahilthis is probably a good thing
17:50.10kadrahilalthough i could install it on my macbook pro :P
17:50.18kadrahilglances around
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18:38.42Repo10sraidframes: 03stolenlegacy * r682 / (4 files in 2 directories):
18:38.44RepoAdded the features of sRaidFramesIndicators to the main srf line.
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18:43.38Repo10flaskminder: 03DigitalSorceress * r28 / (4 files in 1 directory): FlaskMinder: Minor Updates
18:43.40Repo- Added Flask of the North
18:43.41Repo- Added a bit of extra debugging for Vehicle filter for testing
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18:49.58Ackisif I'm using an ace3 config table added to the addon options, if I set one of them to disabled, with it automatically refresh and disable the option?
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18:58.40TrelaARRRRR!
19:00.11HirsuteMikk: I'll check it out, thanks!
19:01.19Ackisoh noes a pirate
19:01.59Megaloncome aboard you little buccaneer!
19:05.50Repo10collectinator: 03Ackis 07master * Alpha4-88-g9708296 / (4 files in 2 directories): [+4 commits]
19:05.53Repo9708296: Add map options to the config.
19:05.53Repo745eba8: Fix some tab issues in the config options.
19:05.56Repoad1f499: Fix reference to ARL in documentation config options.
19:05.57Repod1bcb6a: Add an option to count the total number of items that are filtered in the progress bar instead of treating them as non-existant.
19:07.10yoshimois it possible that the cl on the ptr doesnt work at all currently?
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19:07.51Repo10arl: 03Ackis * r2632 ARLConfig.lua:
19:07.53RepoFix a really old bug no one complained about.  You can now customize what types of entries get shown on the map dumps.
19:08.34Pneumatusit'd be easier if we complained about what worked correctly
19:08.35Pneumatusshorter list
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19:10.02Repo10collectinator: 03Ackis 07master * Alpha4-89-g2a71f9f Config.lua: [+1 commit] Forgot to add the map options to the options table. Ooops.
19:10.10AckisPneumatus: are you talking about my mods or the PTR? :P
19:10.33PneumatusARL ;)
19:11.09Ackis:(
19:11.10Repo10sraidframes: 03stolenlegacy * r683 sRaidFramesLayout.lua: - Font of status text is now modifyable (based on layouts)
19:11.22AckisI thought ARL worked :P
19:11.42Pneumatusi only enable it once in a blue moon now
19:11.45Pneumatusbecause of LBBO
19:12.03Pneumatusalso, holy shit, TS3 open beta starts this month
19:13.05Pneumatusi hope they keep it free for non-commercial
19:13.18AckisLBBO?
19:13.54Pneumatuslibbetterblizoptions
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19:14.31Pneumatuswhich should never have been allowed to be a lib in the first place
19:15.21Ackiswasn't it taken out when I removed all the filter options from the config drop down?
19:15.50Pneumatusis that since the last release?
19:16.03Ackisnot official release no
19:16.30Pneumatusi've got r2576 and it's in
19:17.24kadrahili get to implement ckeditor now
19:17.24Pneumatusits still pkgmeta'd into alphas
19:17.25kadrahilyay
19:17.36Ackisyah 2576 is the last official release iirc
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19:18.27Pneumatusit's still in alphas in embeds.xml as well, so no you've not removed it
19:19.41Repo10arl: 03Ackis * r2633 / (3 files in 2 directories):
19:19.42RepoFew minor doc update, removal of LBBO which I thought I took out a while ago, and change log update.
19:20.13Pneumatusmight start leaving it enabled now :P
19:21.03Ackis:P
19:21.11AckisI had usage reasons why I used it
19:21.33Pneumatusi guess you probably designed your interface options panel to use the extra width
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19:21.58Ackisnah many people complains because there were so many options there
19:23.05Repo10arl: 03Ackis 041.0-r2634 * r2634 : Tagging as 1.0-r2634
19:23.26Repo10arl: 03Ackis * r2635 .pkgmeta: Manual changelog off.
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19:31.47Repo10flaskminder: 03DigitalSorceress * r29 FlaskMinder.lua: FlaskMinder: BugFix
19:31.49Repo- Found and fixed cause of the inVehicle filter always acting as if it were off
19:31.50Repo- In last revision, I updated the text of the vehicle filter to make it more clear that checking the box means you DO want checks even when in a vehicle
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19:35.18Repo10flaskminder: 03DigitalSorceress * r30 ChangeLog.txt: FlaskMinder: ChangeList Updated
19:35.20Repo- Making the change log make sense
19:37.03Repo10flaskminder: 03DigitalSorceress 04v0.0.010_beta * r31 :  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
19:37.05RepoFlaskMinder: Updated Tags
19:37.06Repo- Tagged as v0.0.010_beta
19:37.07Repo- This fixes a bug in the filterCheck that was stopping all checks when in vehicles
19:37.08Repo- Adds Flask of the North to allowable flask buffs
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20:35.14jnwhitehAnyone have a link to the Mac CCv4?
20:36.59jnwhitehnvm
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20:55.38Repo10handy-notes_charon: 03zarevak * r3 addon.lua: WIP... basic death notes working
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21:39.22Ackishttp://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs040.snc3/12734_330657795713_903985713_9796359_6711917_n.jpg
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21:50.26vhaarrwtf kind of URL is that for a xkcd
21:52.02Kivnelisn't that a facebook url
21:52.14Ackislol yup
21:52.37Kivneli like that comic :P
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22:18.08Fiskervhaarr Ackis is a facebookfag
22:18.08Fisker:(
22:18.16Yivryey!
22:18.23Yivrynothing wrong with facebook
22:18.39Fiskerit is the cancer killing the internet
22:18.43Arrowmasteryes there is, especially when you link xkcd from it and are missing half the comic
22:18.47Arrowmasterthe alt text
22:19.12Yivrythere's no excuse for linking xkcd not directly from xkcd
22:19.25Yivrybut there's also nothing wrong with facebook :P
22:19.26ArrowmasterAckis is just an idiot
22:20.54winksfacebook is kind of pointless
22:21.27winksbut it's fun to pipe twitter into and annoy people
22:21.33winksbecause they have to read it then
22:24.59YivryI so hate people who pipe twitter into fb :/
22:26.06Ackispipes his twitter into Arrowmaster's facebook.
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22:50.16ZematharHi all. I have a question for you :)
22:51.10Repo10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r347 TradeskillInfo.lua:
22:51.11Repo- TICKET#23: Modify Blizzard TradeSkill window skill level string as per the ticket.
22:51.25ZematharI'm using Bartender4 and now I wonder why cant the keybindings switch depending what spec I have? :)
22:52.04ZematharThe spells moves around as they should. but I would like to have the keybindings to move as well.
22:53.13Xtekckknight fails
22:53.21Xtekhe'll be signging on soon
22:53.22Repo10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r348 TradeskillInfoUI/TradeskillInfoUI.lua:
22:53.24Repo- Fix the clipping of names in the UI so that names no longer
22:53.25Repoextend beyond the scroll box when window is too narrow.
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22:54.00Repo10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r349 / (2 files in 2 directories): - Bump versio number to v1.6.1
23:06.45Repo10craftdb: 03Trellmor * r13 CraftDB.lua: Fixed: Added SpellIDs for armor and weaponsmith
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23:11.28Repo10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r350 TradeskillInfo.lua: - Ticket #25: Better layout for ATSW
23:11.30Repo- Make the Skill labels and texts disappear when skill levels are not enabled
23:11.31Repofor both ATSW and Blizzard frames.
23:12.47PrimerZemathar: AFAIK, no bar addon does that...I'd have to guess that the default UI doesn't do that either
23:13.25Primerwhen I switch specs, the keybindings remain. It's up to you to switch where the spells go. The spells associated with specific slots on bars does change
23:14.31ZematharI dont know if wow allows the addon to move around the keybindings as well. or if it's only the bar/slot the spells are placed in that's allowed to be changed when you change spec.
23:14.58PrimerIf I had to guess, I'd say it's not allowed
23:15.02Primeras I've never seen a bar addon do that
23:15.39Zematharyeah. well.. if it's possile then it is a hint for you guys ;)
23:17.00Zematharcould be a small addon only to manage different key-setups.
23:17.25Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r6777 Loader.lua:
23:17.27RepoRefactor the Loader a bit and make sure we enable the core when the slash command is invoked, to force-load BigWigs_Plugins - if we don't then BigWigs_Options will error about the missing Colors module.
23:18.03Zematharthanks for the answer tho.
23:19.52Repo10grid2: 03Azethoth * r285 / (2 files in 2 directories): add a 4x10 layout
23:25.16Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r6778 / (2 files in 2 directories): Cancel next shadow strike on burrow.
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23:30.20onaforeignshorehey guys and girls
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23:31.30onaforeignshoredoes anyone know any good debug / tracking addon? (something like massive, which is now out of date and not working 100% anymore)
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23:41.12Repo10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r351 / (3 files in 2 directories):
23:41.14Repo- Fix the quick search modifers to be exclusive. For example, when shift is
23:41.15Reposelected, alt-shift will no longer work.
23:41.16Repo- Tidy up the UI tab of the configuration options.
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23:48.50Groktarwow
23:49.07Groktarbuilt in quest tracker is nice
23:51.15ulicis basically like carbonite/questhelper, with icons on the map?
23:53.58Groktaryeah
23:59.04Groktaranyone know if you can pull the locations of the objectives?

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