| 00:02.38 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r231 / (5 files in 1 directory): Added support for Hallow's End seasonal brooms. |
| 00:02.40 | Repo | Changed how some mounts are detected. Made it easier, I hope. |
| 00:02.46 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.8.10 * r232 : Tagging as v0.8.10 |
| 00:02.53 | Primer | Hate committing from cygwin |
| 00:03.08 | Primer | fucking urxvt show garbage for UTF8 in windog |
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| 01:09.08 | Primer | Anyone got a druid with swift flight form, and would be willing to test my addon? |
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| 02:42.37 | Repo | 10sexymap: 03Antiarc 07master * v1.1 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Add (crude) GetMinimapShape() support. Add a visibility overrides system, which allows for event-driven callbacks to show or hide buttons that are hover-only. The only button to use this so far is the calendar, which will show when you have a pending invite. |
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| 02:43.30 | Primer | Sooo people with level 80 druids with swift flight form |
| 02:43.33 | Primer | I need help |
| 02:43.54 | Hjalte | Primer: Yeah? |
| 02:44.23 | Primer | http://www.wowace.com/addons/flight-hud/ |
| 02:44.39 | Primer | install that, and let me know if it works for flight form and swift flight form :) |
| 02:44.47 | Primer | 0.8.10 |
| 02:45.00 | Hjalte | I can only use swift flight form when I've done the quest |
| 02:45.10 | Primer | sigh |
| 02:45.12 | Hjalte | Which I have, so I don't have normal anymore |
| 02:45.15 | Hjalte | :) |
| 02:45.23 | Primer | oh, I didn't know |
| 02:45.33 | Primer | that you could use the other once you get the better one |
| 02:46.01 | Hjalte | I also have it upgraded to 310%, as I have a fast mount. |
| 02:46.34 | Primer | I wonder if the spell is different at 310 |
| 02:48.10 | Hjalte | Primer: The spell text changes to 310% in the spell book, but when mousing over the buff I get it still says 280% |
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| 02:50.49 | Primer | At least now I have the headless horseman's mount to test |
| 02:50.59 | Primer | guess I should level a druid too |
| 02:51.55 | Hjalte | Primer: The HUD shows and the speed works as well |
| 02:52.50 | Primer | awesome, thanks :) |
| 02:53.26 | Primer | bah, I just now noticed a typo |
| 02:54.16 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r233 FlightHUD.lua: Fix druid flight form spell ID. |
| 02:54.18 | Repo | Add druid travel form. |
| 02:54.26 | Hjalte | What's up with the Dalaran lag? I've never had it before. |
| 02:54.38 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.8.11 * r234 : Tagging as v0.8.11 |
| 02:54.39 | Primer | maybe it's my addon? |
| 02:54.54 | Hjalte | No, it started yesterday |
| 02:54.59 | Hjalte | Thursday |
| 02:54.59 | Primer | whew... |
| 02:55.17 | Primer | I've done a lot to ensure that addon performs well |
| 02:55.50 | Primer | despite have loops within loops withing the onUpdate that runs on every frame in my setup :) |
| 02:55.57 | Primer | within, even |
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| 03:34.55 | mascondante | Thank you Adremma. I'll liik at it. |
| 03:36.03 | mascondante | look |
| 03:37.07 | mascondante | sylvanaar: Isn't usenet pretty expensive? |
| 03:37.16 | NeoTron | did you install windows 7 yesterday? :P |
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| 03:38.18 | mascondante | ... I've had it for about a month. |
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| 03:48.19 | Silowyi | ora2 vs ora3? |
| 04:06.19 | Torhal | nevcairiel: ping |
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| 06:44.57 | Corgrath | morning everyone |
| 06:45.43 | Skellum | heyo |
| 06:46.13 | Corgrath | i've been reading blogs concerning curse and wowmatrix. i have a quick question. If wowace/curse has the largest db of addons, where does sites like wowmatrix get their addons from?? |
| 06:48.41 | Skellum | Curse/Wowui |
| 06:49.01 | Skellum | They basically paruse the sits, get the targeted DLs and then do the same thing curses updater does for you. |
| 06:49.07 | Skellum | While covering WoWUI |
| 06:49.20 | Skellum | While allowing you to update all your addons at once. |
| 06:49.28 | Skellum | While having a simplistic and minimalist UI |
| 06:50.19 | Skellum | The main issue is that Matrix sorta pirates bandwith from the other sites by allowing you to donate to it and selling advertisment that curse/wow UI dont get a portion of. |
| 06:50.25 | Corgrath | sounds like you dont.. hate wowmatix? |
| 06:50.41 | Skellum | I miss WoWace updater. |
| 06:50.52 | Corgrath | tried curse? |
| 06:51.02 | Skellum | Its what I use, because its the proper one. |
| 06:51.09 | Skellum | I still miss WowAce Updater |
| 06:52.09 | Corgrath | I am actually working on (for fun) a similar "wow update solution" like wowmatrix/curse client. But i have one distinct feature they dont have. |
| 06:52.45 | Corgrath | No downloads. |
| 06:53.27 | Corgrath | however, i need a source of addons where i can download them. |
| 06:53.43 | Corgrath | but everyone has closed sites everywhere. |
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| 07:02.17 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03Torhal 07master * Alpha4-16-g1edd533 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+8 commits] (4 truncated) |
| 07:02.20 | Repo | 1edd533: Completely removed the faction-specific if-blocks - every mount will be loaded into memory now, since Blizzard fails at properly swapping some known mounts when a player has a paid faction change. Un-damn you, WoWHead - you had it right. |
| 07:02.20 | Repo | 8e08a83: In addon:GetMountTotal(): Added local function AddMountFlags(), which also checks for faction compatibility and decrements num_mounts if incompatible. |
| 07:02.22 | Repo | 3dcd99f: In MountDatabase.lua: Moved MY_FACTION declaration, and changed it to use the localized string. |
| 07:02.24 | Repo | 2c54092: In initDisplayStrings(): Re-worked to only insert entries that the player could obtain based on faction (Alliance/Horde) flags. |
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| 07:55.26 | Repo | 10fu-bar_addon-spam-fu: 03yoshimo 041.0.6-Release * r92 : Tagging as 1.0.6-Release |
| 07:55.46 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/everyquest-questgivers/. EveryQuest QuestGivers. kandarz (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 07:56.07 | Corgrath | Would it be wrong if a guy would download all addons from other sites, like wowinterface.com and create an open wow database? |
| 07:56.20 | Corgrath | nvm :) |
| 07:56.46 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 07:56.52 | Corgrath | why? :D |
| 07:57.09 | Shefki | You wouldn't have the right to redistribute some of the addons. |
| 07:57.20 | Corgrath | oh? |
| 07:57.21 | Shefki | There are quite a few that are not licensed to allow redistribution. |
| 07:57.37 | Corgrath | Isn't that govered by blizzard? |
| 07:57.58 | Shefki | Blizzard doesn't tell us what our license has to be, just that we can't charge for the addon. |
| 07:58.47 | vhaarr | also wowinterface would block you |
| 07:58.51 | Corgrath | Well, it depends doesn't. Blizzard "can" force you to use a specific license. |
| 07:59.05 | Shefki | No they can't. |
| 07:59.13 | Shefki | How do you think they would do that? |
| 07:59.43 | Corgrath | Hm, you could be right. Addons don't usually use libs |
| 08:00.06 | Corgrath | However, you do create code that uses blizzard's api |
| 08:00.13 | Shefki | Using an API doesn't make your addon a derived work. |
| 08:00.19 | Shefki | APIs aren't copyrighted. |
| 08:00.28 | Corgrath | Using blizzard code is tho |
| 08:00.35 | Shefki | We're not using Blizzard code. |
| 08:00.41 | Shefki | We're calling Blizzard code. |
| 08:00.42 | Corgrath | You are when using the api |
| 08:00.44 | Shefki | There's a difference. |
| 08:01.31 | Corgrath | I am not sure. Take Facebook for instance. It's ok to create childporn application using their API? |
| 08:01.46 | Brybry | ^when logic goes wrong |
| 08:01.48 | Shefki | That's a straw man. |
| 08:02.09 | vhaarr | Corgrath: stop spamming the channel with completely irrelevant, stupid, weird things |
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| 08:02.20 | vhaarr | you're not making any sense |
| 08:02.23 | Corgrath | Besides, if blizzard can force that addons may not generate income, they can force you to use a specific license. |
| 08:02.41 | Shefki | vhaarr: Onn he's making sense he's just rehashing the addon dev policy debate we had months ago. |
| 08:03.04 | Shefki | Corgrath: Actually they can't force us to do anything. |
| 08:03.13 | Shefki | Corgrath: They can block addons from working with their game. |
| 08:03.46 | Shefki | But that's pretty much the nuclear option. |
| 08:03.50 | Corgrath | Shefki: Laws can't force you not to kill another guy. However, it can put you in jail :) |
| 08:04.17 | Shefki | Corgrath: Blizzard can't put me in jail for selling an addon. |
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| 08:04.49 | Corgrath | Shefki: You just dropped the discussion with "they cannot foce us to do anything". Obviously, they have already forced developers to not gain income. |
| 08:05.09 | Shefki | Who says that's been successful? |
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| 08:05.23 | Corgrath | dont switch to another topic. |
| 08:05.32 | vhaarr | what fucking topic? |
| 08:05.36 | Torhal | Dude |
| 08:05.41 | Shefki | There are still pay addons. |
| 08:05.41 | Torhal | STFU |
| 08:05.45 | Corgrath | the debate if blizzard's rules are ok or not. |
| 08:05.51 | vhaarr | it is? since when |
| 08:06.15 | Shefki | Blizzard can make whatever rules they want. The only way they can really enforce them is to ban addons. |
| 08:06.34 | Corgrath | Like laws and jails. |
| 08:06.48 | Shefki | Blizzard isn't a government. |
| 08:06.59 | vhaarr | somehow his words hurt my brain |
| 08:07.04 | vhaarr | goes to watch SG:U |
| 08:07.08 | Torhal | I just said the same thing in IM |
| 08:07.20 | Corgrath | No, but it'sthe same thing. Blizzard cannot stop you to create an addon (goverment cant stop you to kill a guy) but they can ban you (put you into jail) |
| 08:07.42 | Torhal | And you're talking about this shit because...? |
| 08:07.42 | Shefki | You're missing the important distinction. They can ban the addon. |
| 08:07.48 | Shefki | They can't do anything to the person who made it. |
| 08:08.21 | Shefki | The addon is just a piece of code. It's not a person that you can punish. |
| 08:08.24 | Corgrath | what exactly is your point with this "ban" discussion? |
| 08:08.33 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:08.37 | Shefki | You're the one that's dragged this discussion this way. |
| 08:08.39 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/127053 |
| 08:08.42 | Shefki | You asked if you could do something. |
| 08:09.10 | jnwhiteh | GetLFRChoiceOrder |
| 08:09.16 | Shefki | I said you couldn't. You said "But couldn't Blizzard do X" in a completely hypothetical. |
| 08:09.18 | Corgrath | You are telling us Blizzard cant force develoeprs to use a specific license, when they, apparently, already disallowed developers not go gain income. |
| 08:09.19 | jnwhiteh | looks like raids will be separate from dungeons in the system |
| 08:09.32 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: Blizzard has not 'disallowed' anyone from doing anything |
| 08:09.51 | Shefki | Corgrath: Like I already pointed out there are still paid addons in existence. |
| 08:09.55 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: Yea, they have. Making profit, eg by donate text in addons. |
| 08:09.58 | jnwhiteh | no. |
| 08:09.59 | jnwhiteh | you're wrong. |
| 08:10.01 | Shefki | Despite Blizzards policy. |
| 08:10.03 | jnwhiteh | They posted a policy with what the consider to be acceptable for their addon system and said they will take action against developers and addons that violate their policy. |
| 08:10.19 | jnwhiteh | That doesn't force anyone to do anything |
| 08:10.23 | jnwhiteh | its just a policy |
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| 08:10.47 | jnwhiteh | and if you wilfully violate that policy (that whole free will thing is pretty cool), then you're been warned. |
| 08:11.10 | jnwhiteh | RegisterStaticConstants |
| 08:11.12 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 08:11.15 | Repo | 10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz * r2 / (30 files in 4 directories): Initial Import |
| 08:11.22 | Corgrath | But that is exactly the same thing jnwhiteh! |
| 08:11.26 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: no, it's not. |
| 08:11.34 | Antiarc | It's really not |
| 08:11.34 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: This guy is in denial that AddOns aren't all GPL because...[02:52] <Corgrath> I am actually working on (for fun) a similar "wow update solution" like wowmatrix/curse client. But i have one distinct feature they dont have. |
| 08:11.53 | Antiarc | It's a tool that Blizzard can use to slap people who violate what they deem to be the spirit of the addon ecosystem |
| 08:11.57 | Corgrath | Yes it is. If blizzard has a policy to take actions against certain addons, that *is* forcing the community. |
| 08:11.59 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: my addons are not GPL. My addons will never be GPL. Blizzard can absolutely in no way force me to license my addons GPL. |
| 08:12.04 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: not even that. |
| 08:12.06 | jnwhiteh | No, listen to me. |
| 08:12.11 | jnwhiteh | The policy does not ENABLE them to take legal action. |
| 08:12.18 | jnwhiteh | there is no legal standing whatsoever for that |
| 08:12.37 | jnwhiteh | its a policy, like saying you have to stand on the left and walk on the right on an escalator in an office building. |
| 08:12.40 | Shefki | And we've already gotten a statement that they don't consider all addons to be derived works. |
| 08:12.43 | jnwhiteh | guidelines, policy.. there's a reason for these words. |
| 08:12.56 | jnwhiteh | Blizzard, however, are telling us that they can and will take action |
| 08:13.04 | jnwhiteh | from banning your addon, to legal action, if they feel they have a case. |
| 08:13.17 | Shefki | So you can't play the "you use their API so they have partial ownership of your code," card. |
| 08:13.19 | jnwhiteh | that's entirely separate from the policy, which is just a set of guidelines for us to know what they consider acceptable. |
| 08:13.26 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: You're wrong, if you want an addon not breaking blizzard's guidlienss/policies, blizzard can force the addon to be dist under a certain license. |
| 08:13.33 | Antiarc | It'd be extremely hard to make the case that API usage = derivative work in nay case |
| 08:13.33 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:13.35 | Shefki | No they can't. |
| 08:13.38 | Antiarc | Corgrath: You're an idiot. |
| 08:13.39 | Shefki | They can ban the addon from WoW. |
| 08:13.39 | jnwhiteh | They cannot force me to do anything. |
| 08:13.40 | Repo | 10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz * r3 / (3 files in 2 directories): TOC Update, databuild update |
| 08:13.40 | jnwhiteh | Nothing |
| 08:13.41 | jnwhiteh | they cannot. |
| 08:13.42 | Torhal | What kind of crack are you smoking? |
| 08:13.43 | jnwhiteh | They can ban it |
| 08:13.44 | Corgrath | Ok, ok. We leave the discussion. |
| 08:13.46 | jnwhiteh | and if they want to, they can try to sue me. |
| 08:13.49 | jnwhiteh | but they'll lose |
| 08:13.50 | Shefki | They can't force the copyright owner to distribute the addon under any specific terms. |
| 08:13.51 | jnwhiteh | in that case. |
| 08:13.51 | Antiarc | You're so blazingly wrong, it's astounding. |
| 08:14.15 | Shefki | At best legally they might be able to prevent the addon from being distributed publically if they have a tortious interference claim. |
| 08:14.15 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: they cannot force us to do anything, full stop. |
| 08:14.34 | Corgrath | Blizzard cant force you to use a certain license, like they havent forced developers to not gain income via addons. Enough said. |
| 08:14.37 | Shefki | But that's a pain in the ass for them to do and is pretty difficult. |
| 08:14.44 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: they HAVENT |
| 08:14.47 | jnwhiteh | for fucks's sake. |
| 08:14.50 | jnwhiteh | people still make money off addons |
| 08:14.54 | jnwhiteh | but blizzard can then ban those addons |
| 08:14.57 | jnwhiteh | and if they want, take legal action |
| 08:15.04 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: ok, they havent. Ive dropped the topic. |
| 08:15.05 | jnwhiteh | but they can't (through the policy) force anything. |
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| 08:15.14 | jnwhiteh | BUT SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET! |
| 08:15.24 | jnwhiteh | HelpReportLag() |
| 08:15.25 | jnwhiteh | lolwut? |
| 08:15.31 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: Just let it be,ive dropped left the discussion. |
| 08:16.24 | Corgrath | But there should still be an open addon db on the net. |
| 08:16.26 | Repo | 10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz * r4 Locales (2 files in 1 directory): Remove old locale |
| 08:16.32 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: then you can make one |
| 08:16.37 | jnwhiteh | my addons won't be hosted there, however. |
| 08:16.51 | jnwhiteh | I deserve the right to control where and how my addons are distributed.. so I do so. |
| 08:16.58 | jnwhiteh | I can't support my users otherwise, and I refuse to be that kind of an autohr. |
| 08:17.00 | Shefki | Corgrath: Make one and invite addon authors to post them. But as you just saw, not all of us are interested in posting them everywhere. |
| 08:17.11 | Corgrath | deserve perhaps, but maybe not allowed ;) |
| 08:17.17 | jnwhiteh | I'm absolutely fucking allowed. |
| 08:17.46 | Shefki | Corgrath: Now you're playing the entitlement card. |
| 08:17.51 | Corgrath | Shefki: why wouldnt ppl be interested in dist addons.. like everywhere? |
| 08:18.00 | Shefki | Corgrath: Read what jnwhiteh just said. |
| 08:18.19 | jnwhiteh | It doesn't get any clearer than that. |
| 08:18.22 | Shefki | I'll give you the biggest reason why I do All Rights Reserved on everythign now. |
| 08:18.25 | Corgrath | Shefki: read my question again. |
| 08:18.40 | Shefki | People repackaging addons with keyloggers and crap. |
| 08:18.50 | Shefki | If I distribute it as GPL I can do *NOTHING* to pull that off the net. |
| 08:18.54 | Shefki | I can ask the ISP nicely. |
| 08:18.59 | Shefki | But I have no legal standing to demand it. |
| 08:19.01 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: read my answer, again. |
| 08:19.07 | jnwhiteh | I support my users |
| 08:19.15 | Corgrath | Shefki: How *exactly* do you addd a keylogger into an addon? |
| 08:19.18 | jnwhiteh | I don't play the e-peen game that some authors do, trying to get ZOMG MILLIONS OF USERS |
| 08:19.22 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 08:19.27 | jnwhiteh | where the hell did keyloggers come from |
| 08:19.31 | Shefki | Corgrath: Simple, package it with an exe that installs the keylogger and the addon. |
| 08:19.37 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: Shefki |
| 08:19.44 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 08:20.03 | jnwhiteh | I want to support my users, and therefore I only host on sites that provide me with the tools I need to do that. |
| 08:20.04 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: I just explained why I don't use open source licenses anymore. |
| 08:20.08 | Corgrath | Shefki: Well, uhm. I guess. Addons usually have an installer? |
| 08:20.15 | Shefki | No. |
| 08:20.21 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: missed the one line, gotcha now. |
| 08:20.31 | *** join/#wowace Adys (n=Adys@athedsl-357913.home.otenet.gr) |
| 08:20.38 | jnwhiteh | So your site is going to be clean and pure. |
| 08:20.40 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: sounds like you have a profit biz deal with some sites |
| 08:20.46 | Shefki | Corgrath: Not to mention that I agree with jnwhiteh I really do try and support the people using my addons. |
| 08:20.47 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: sound like you're 'insane. |
| 08:20.58 | jnwhiteh | as in irrational and refusing to listen to the people you're talking to |
| 08:21.02 | jnwhiteh | but perhaps I'm wrong. |
| 08:21.05 | Shefki | The more sites I have to deal with the harder it is. |
| 08:21.09 | jnwhiteh | Why would profit come into any of this? |
| 08:21.13 | Corgrath | No no, I listen. I just know better ;) |
| 08:21.15 | jnwhiteh | I don't give one damn about money |
| 08:21.17 | jnwhiteh | No, you don't. |
| 08:21.20 | jnwhiteh | you're wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. |
| 08:21.23 | Shefki | It's bad enough to read the curse site, the wowace site and the wowace forums. |
| 08:21.24 | doobius | Cograth: sounds like youve never made an addon |
| 08:21.26 | jnwhiteh | You haven't said a single 'true' things since we've ben here. |
| 08:21.32 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh is one of the most senior people in the WoW addon community. |
| 08:21.35 | Antiarc | He knows what he's talking about. |
| 08:21.38 | jnwhiteh | and now you're making accusations.. |
| 08:21.56 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: serously? I wowwikied his nick and found 0 hits. |
| 08:22.05 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 08:22.12 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowwiki.com/user:cladhaire |
| 08:22.12 | Antiarc | lulllllllllz. |
| 08:22.15 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Tell him who you are, I won't do it if you don't want to. |
| 08:22.17 | jnwhiteh | oh, and that's ... 4 years old. |
| 08:22.17 | Shefki | nm |
| 08:22.25 | Corgrath | Antiarc: well I guess since YOU say he is senior wow developer, i have to trust you :) |
| 08:22.29 | jnwhiteh | and wowwiki is not the source of all knowledge. |
| 08:22.44 | Shefki | Corgrath: He's freaking voiced on the channel. |
| 08:22.53 | Shefki | I've been around quite a while and I don't even have +v here. |
| 08:23.00 | Shefki | I think that should add some weight to what he says. |
| 08:23.04 | Corgrath | Shirik: dude, that means in IRC. There are morons that are ops too. |
| 08:23.08 | jnwhiteh | +v is a standover from the first channel takeover, really =) |
| 08:23.11 | Corgrath | Shirik: dude, that means nothing in IRC. There are morons that are ops too. |
| 08:23.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:23.16 | jnwhiteh | at least that's where most of it started :P |
| 08:23.23 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 08:23.27 | Aeyan | Corgrath: http://wowprogramming.com/about |
| 08:23.28 | jnwhiteh | tab-complete fail wakes Shirik up :P |
| 08:23.30 | Shirik | what did I do :( |
| 08:23.31 | Shefki | Shirik: He meant Shefki. His tab complete fails. |
| 08:23.35 | Shirik | I'm in a competition leave me alone :P |
| 08:23.45 | *** join/#wowace eoM_rM (n=moe@p5489B180.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:24.02 | breser | Just for Corgrath so he can be confused who I am. |
| 08:24.12 | Corgrath | Shirik: Why do you have wow developers so much!? |
| 08:24.17 | breser | OMG "I googled breser and found no WoW stuff." |
| 08:24.18 | Corgrath | hate* |
| 08:24.22 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 08:24.51 | Torhal | WTF are you on about? |
| 08:24.54 | jnwhiteh | I no longer use 'cladhaire', since I no longer play a rogue as my main. |
| 08:24.54 | Corgrath | No but seriously. If you don't think blizzard can enforce a certain license, thats ok. I just disagree. |
| 08:25.03 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: okay, but you're wrong. |
| 08:25.05 | jnwhiteh | That's clear. |
| 08:25.12 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: its ok that you are wrong. |
| 08:25.25 | Torhal | Troll is obvious troll. |
| 08:25.26 | breser | Corgrath: Just do a freaking /whois on him. He's got a mask that's pretty clear who he is anyway. |
| 08:25.31 | Torhal | Fisker: You're being outdone, here. |
| 08:25.36 | jnwhiteh | Okay, then explain to me through what mechanism Blizzard can force me to use a specific license? |
| 08:25.45 | jnwhiteh | I'm interested in trying to understand why you feel this way. |
| 08:25.50 | breser | Torhal: Nahh Fisker isn't being outdone. Fisker trolls slowly over the eons. |
| 08:25.55 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 08:26.07 | breser | This guy is dumping everything he's got at once. Fisker is much more subtle and awesome. |
| 08:26.32 | Ackis | you are both wrong. The right answer is: penis |
| 08:26.37 | asmodai | blinks |
| 08:26.39 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: I am just saying. Blizzard has enforced rules on developers once, they can do it again. |
| 08:26.47 | Torhal | Enforced what rules? |
| 08:26.51 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: how have they forced authors to do anything? |
| 08:26.54 | Torhal | What the FUCK are you babbling about? |
| 08:26.55 | breser | They've actually never enforced the rules ever as far as anyone knows. |
| 08:26.55 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: in the past, or in the future. |
| 08:27.04 | jnwhiteh | That's the premise that you're operating under, which I fail to understand. |
| 08:27.04 | breser | They published some policy, that's it. |
| 08:27.13 | Corgrath | Torhal: Blizzard has disallowed addons with donate messages, for example. |
| 08:27.18 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: no they haven't. |
| 08:27.23 | Corgrath | Yes, they have. |
| 08:27.23 | asmodai | breser: Fisker trolls slowly? I must've missed that one. |
| 08:27.27 | jnwhiteh | they've released a policy that says you can't write addons with donate messages. |
| 08:27.30 | jnwhiteh | that's different. |
| 08:27.30 | breser | I can post a sign on my front porch that says "Tresspassers will be shot." Doesn't mean I've shot a tresspasser. |
| 08:27.37 | Torhal | They said "Don'd do it or we'll ban the AddOn from operating in the game" that is all |
| 08:27.37 | Ackis | they haven't enforced shit |
| 08:27.45 | doobius | why do you guys continue to feed this troll |
| 08:27.52 | Ackis | I AM A TROLL |
| 08:27.53 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: well, realising such addons do against their policy. |
| 08:27.54 | Ackis | RAWR |
| 08:27.55 | Ackis | penis |
| 08:27.59 | Corgrath | releasing* |
| 08:28.00 | asmodai | tosses Ackis a red herring. |
| 08:28.04 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: we don't know that they have, and we don't know that they haven't. But the fact of the matter is short of legal action they cannot FORCE anyone to do anything. |
| 08:28.05 | breser | plays swords with Ackis. |
| 08:28.08 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: goes against a policy |
| 08:28.10 | breser | WTF did I just type. |
| 08:28.15 | jnwhiteh | whats the repurcussion of that? |
| 08:28.17 | breser | hides. |
| 08:28.35 | jnwhiteh | why is it bad to violate their policy, which by its very definition has no legal standing? |
| 08:28.47 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: ban? |
| 08:28.49 | breser | jnwhiteh: Blizzard is god, RAWR! |
| 08:28.52 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: becase its.. against their rules? |
| 08:28.55 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: until I see carbonite "banned" for spamming users and confusicating their code they haven't done anything ;) (damnit i'm in troll mode!) |
| 08:28.58 | jnwhiteh | .. okay |
| 08:29.01 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: ban who? |
| 08:29.02 | jnwhiteh | the user? |
| 08:29.08 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't affect the addon author |
| 08:29.24 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: don't ask me. You guys mentioned "ban" all the time as a cons. |
| 08:29.24 | breser | Ackis: Carbonite and the stupid title rotaters would be on my list of things to ban. |
| 08:29.25 | jnwhiteh | Okay, I'll start distributing an addon, against their policy, that the user 'generates' on their own. |
| 08:29.43 | jnwhiteh | Its a web app, and you just click refresh and you get an addon that cna't be 'banned' by Blizzard. |
| 08:29.48 | jnwhiteh | they haven't forced me to do anything. |
| 08:29.54 | jnwhiteh | I look, I continue selling an addon |
| 08:29.55 | jnwhiteh | they ban it, I do the above. |
| 08:30.02 | jnwhiteh | Then I keep selling it and they decide to take legal action against me. |
| 08:30.19 | jnwhiteh | Only when they've taken legal action, and they've won the injunction, have they forced anyone to do anything. |
| 08:30.27 | breser | jnwhiteh: Probably can even tell which user distributed it by embedding a watermark in it. :P |
| 08:30.30 | jnwhiteh | and even then, there are choices. |
| 08:30.52 | jnwhiteh | so again, I ask, how is Blizzard forcing anyone to do anything? |
| 08:30.52 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: It depends. If you want to have a legal working care, you need to have working breaks. If you ignore the rule, it's up to you. But if you drive with it and they catch you, you will be punished. |
| 08:30.53 | breser | DRM for addons. Weee. |
| 08:30.56 | jnwhiteh | They're just telling us the rules of their game. |
| 08:31.02 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: car* |
| 08:31.07 | sb|work | yay, <3 SGU :) |
| 08:31.15 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: violating a policy like this isn't like violating a law. |
| 08:31.19 | jnwhiteh | They couldn't be more different. |
| 08:31.22 | Brybry | oh snap, the car analogy has been busted out |
| 08:31.25 | breser | sb|work: Ugh. The episode was so predictable. |
| 08:31.31 | sb|work | breser: of course it was |
| 08:31.32 | jnwhiteh | Its against the law to kill someone with a car. Illegal. |
| 08:31.48 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: You are not allowed to have donate messages <-- thats no policy, that is a rule. |
| 08:31.50 | sb|work | breser: but those 10 minutes were like epic.. :p |
| 08:31.53 | jnwhiteh | The legality of whatever legal standing Blizzard believes they have, has never been tested and therefore does not exist. |
| 08:31.55 | Antiarc | LOL |
| 08:31.59 | Brybry | breser: eli should have set it up so he'd get the chick all to himself |
| 08:31.59 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: a rule is not a law. |
| 08:32.02 | jnwhiteh | its a policy |
| 08:32.03 | Antiarc | It's like a time warp to several months ago |
| 08:32.06 | jnwhiteh | I can do whatever the fuck I want. |
| 08:32.09 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: srsly. |
| 08:32.12 | Ackis | Antiarc: ENTITLED! I AM ENTITLED! |
| 08:32.21 | breser | Brybry: Yeah wtf is up with the military dude getting the chick and not Eli. |
| 08:32.21 | jnwhiteh | I will say it again |
| 08:32.22 | Torhal | Didn't we have this fucking argument on the O.forums and various other places months and months ago? Why is it back? WHY?!? |
| 08:32.22 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: ok, its law (within blizzard addon universe) |
| 08:32.25 | breser | Women like geeks. |
| 08:32.32 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: you can't change universes. |
| 08:32.39 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: yes you can. |
| 08:32.41 | jnwhiteh | because all they can do is ban my users in that universe |
| 08:32.42 | jnwhiteh | they can't touch me |
| 08:32.48 | breser | Torhal: But this time we all agree excpet for Corgrath |
| 08:32.50 | jnwhiteh | I'm invincible in the Blizzard addon universe |
| 08:32.56 | jnwhiteh | so explain to me how they can force me to do anything |
| 08:32.57 | Brybry | breser: and when did the chick have any time alone but like one scene before that where she felt 'closer to him than any other person before'? |
| 08:33.05 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: This channel may have a rule not to say the word "fish" - but does the world have that? lol |
| 08:33.10 | Brybry | I think they just wanted a sex scene |
| 08:33.13 | Torhal | breser: He should probably go entertain himself by reading all those 6-month-old threads. |
| 08:33.14 | jnwhiteh | .. and now we've changed again. |
| 08:33.18 | jnwhiteh | I'd like an answer to my question. |
| 08:33.18 | breser | Brybry: They need Eli babies. |
| 08:33.24 | jnwhiteh | Let's pretend |
| 08:33.29 | jnwhiteh | I write "Jim's Donate Addon" |
| 08:33.35 | jnwhiteh | and it spams the user with addon popups in-game |
| 08:33.41 | jnwhiteh | What action is Blizzard going to take against me? |
| 08:33.44 | jnwhiteh | How can they stop me? |
| 08:33.46 | breser | I'm sure they'll all be mathematical geniuses that can figure slingshot trajectories in 30 seconds. |
| 08:33.49 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: no, you just told me you cannot change universies, when i just gave you an example how different rules works in different universes. |
| 08:34.00 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 08:34.01 | jnwhiteh | we're in the real world |
| 08:34.05 | jnwhiteh | I didn't think we needed a change |
| 08:34.09 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: no, this is IRC |
| 08:34.10 | jnwhiteh | that's the one I've been operating in. |
| 08:34.15 | jnwhiteh | .. in the real world. |
| 08:34.22 | jnwhiteh | and in the real world |
| 08:34.28 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: So saying "fish" is illegal IRL? |
| 08:34.30 | jnwhiteh | people stop you from doing something by coercion, threats, and legal action. |
| 08:34.33 | breser | moves this conversation to SG:U. You're now on a ship trillions of light years from earth. Go. |
| 08:34.36 | jnwhiteh | none of them apply here. |
| 08:34.51 | breser | What would Blizzard do to the addon author writing his addon through those stones? |
| 08:35.00 | jnwhiteh | so again, I would like to know, how is Blizzard going to stop me from distributing my addon. |
| 08:35.13 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: in my channel, you are not allowed to say "fish". It's a channel rule. You saying, since IRC and IRL are the same, that rule applies IRL? |
| 08:35.18 | jnwhiteh | I can leave the channel. |
| 08:35.24 | jnwhiteh | or I can stay and be an asshat and say fish over and over again |
| 08:35.26 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: you can commit suicide |
| 08:35.28 | jnwhiteh | What are you going to do to me? |
| 08:35.37 | jnwhiteh | How are you going to force me to stop saying it? |
| 08:35.42 | jnwhiteh | same question, still waiting for an answer |
| 08:35.44 | breser | ban you only to watch you evade the ban by rejoining under the name fish. |
| 08:35.48 | jnwhiteh | we can talk in whatever universe you want. |
| 08:35.50 | Aeyan | breser: They can't stop. |
| 08:35.53 | Aeyan | http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 08:36.10 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: i am not debating the results of actions. I am telling you its a rule. |
| 08:36.10 | breser | Aeyan: lol |
| 08:36.14 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: okay.. |
| 08:36.16 | Repo | 10libbabble-faction-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r97 LibBabble-Faction-3.0.lua: |
| 08:36.18 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
| 08:36.20 | jnwhiteh | we're talking about Blizzard forcing addon authors |
| 08:36.21 | breser | jnwhiteh: I appologize for dragging you into this. |
| 08:36.25 | jnwhiteh | so how are oyu going to force me to follow your rule? |
| 08:36.27 | jnwhiteh | breser: you didn't |
| 08:36.29 | jnwhiteh | i joined willingly. |
| 08:36.34 | breser | jnwhiteh: I responded to him. |
| 08:36.39 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 08:36.47 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: how are you going to force me to follow your rule? |
| 08:36.53 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: drop how "blizzard" can force you. That's an entire different topic. The face remains: its still a rule. |
| 08:36.59 | breser | I was stupid enough to think it was a reasonable question. |
| 08:37.00 | jnwhiteh | Sure, a rule. |
| 08:37.04 | jnwhiteh | You're the one who brought up forcing. |
| 08:37.13 | jnwhiteh | I was the first one to say the policy was a policy. |
| 08:37.19 | jnwhiteh | so .. thanks for telling me that.. again.. |
| 08:37.24 | breser | BTW I'm soloing Flame Leviathan right now. Come on Blizzard stop me. |
| 08:37.27 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: np, you seemed to loose track. |
| 08:37.35 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: re-read the conversation, I've been here the entire time. |
| 08:37.36 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:37.47 | jnwhiteh | Fact: You are the person saying that Blizzard can force the addon authors to do <X> |
| 08:37.53 | jnwhiteh | I am asking why you believe this |
| 08:37.54 | jnwhiteh | so I state again |
| 08:38.05 | jnwhiteh | Why do you believe that Blizzard is able to force an addon author to do <X>? |
| 08:38.12 | nevcairiel | All they can do is ban your addon |
| 08:38.17 | nevcairiel | case closed |
| 08:38.27 | Corgrath | I believe this since you are writing plugins for a game they own. |
| 08:38.27 | breser | jnwhiteh: Clearly Blizzard is a dominatrix with remote shockers attached to all addon authors balls. |
| 08:38.41 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: Okay, but _HOW_ are they going to force me to do <X> |
| 08:38.44 | breser | And I blame Ackis for saying penis for making me think of that. |
| 08:38.45 | jnwhiteh | that's the information I'm looking for. |
| 08:39.04 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: I don't know. Why do you keep going to another topic? |
| 08:39.11 | breser | nevcairiel: Just the person I wanted to talk to. |
| 08:39.13 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: I am most CERTAINLY not on another topic. |
| 08:39.21 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: I am on the same one I've been on since this conversation started. |
| 08:39.21 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: Why doesn't USA have a govered healthcare? WHY?! |
| 08:39.42 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: You believe that Blizzard can force addon authors to do <X>, and I want to know HOW Blizzard would force an addon author to do <X>. |
| 08:40.00 | Torhal | confiscates the Troll Snacks (TM), |
| 08:40.03 | breser | Corgrath: Because Hilary Clinton wrote the law in secret and it's easy to hate things that come from nowhere. :P |
| 08:40.15 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: So, by defining a rule is not the same thing as forcing? |
| 08:40.24 | breser | Corgrath: No it's not. |
| 08:40.31 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: no, it's not. |
| 08:40.34 | jnwhiteh | There are laws against stealing |
| 08:40.34 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: ok |
| 08:40.37 | jnwhiteh | yet people steal |
| 08:40.43 | nevcairiel | I can write down a rule that you are not allowed to walk out the door anymore, but whats stopping you from doing it? :P |
| 08:40.57 | jnwhiteh | that's the crux of the problem, really. |
| 08:41.12 | nevcairiel | rules are pointless if you can't enforce them |
| 08:41.12 | breser | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/438-dog-tag-text-edit-box-not-showing-text/ |
| 08:41.29 | breser | nevcairiel: Very useful info in there about the edit box in AceConfig failing to show text and how to reproduce it. |
| 08:41.30 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: So you agree that blizzard has a rule to not add donate messages into addons? |
| 08:41.36 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: of course. |
| 08:41.41 | jnwhiteh | I've said that from the start., |
| 08:41.45 | jnwhiteh | That doesn't change anything |
| 08:41.49 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: no you havent :D |
| 08:41.53 | jnwhiteh | You still think that forces the addon authors to do something. |
| 08:41.55 | jnwhiteh | Yes, I have. |
| 08:42.06 | jnwhiteh | I am the _FIRST_ person who said it was a policy, which is a set of rules and guidelines. |
| 08:42.09 | Corgrath | [10:09] <jnwhiteh> Corgrath: Blizzard has not 'disallowed' anyone from doing anything |
| 08:42.12 | breser | declares a new rule. All addon authors will give me $0.10 per download they get. |
| 08:42.14 | jnwhiteh | HAHAHAH |
| 08:42.16 | jnwhiteh | they haven't. |
| 08:42.18 | jnwhiteh | they have a rule |
| 08:42.21 | jnwhiteh | they are completely different. |
| 08:42.24 | breser | I'm forcing addon authors to pay me $0.10 wahoo. |
| 08:42.27 | Corgrath | No its not. |
| 08:42.49 | jnwhiteh | They have told us that putting donate messages in our addons is against their policy. |
| 08:42.51 | jnwhiteh | That is it. |
| 08:42.52 | jnwhiteh | fin. |
| 08:42.53 | Corgrath | If a goverement has a new rule to now kill cats, they disallow this. |
| 08:43.02 | Corgrath | not* |
| 08:43.03 | breser | jnwhiteh: You're just going in circles now. |
| 08:43.08 | jnwhiteh | no, they tell us that if we do it, they can take action against us. |
| 08:43.11 | breser | I already explained to him that Blizzard isn't government. |
| 08:43.14 | jnwhiteh | semantics, but they're different. |
| 08:43.17 | jnwhiteh | breser: it doesn't matter |
| 08:43.22 | jnwhiteh | the govenment doesn't disallow us |
| 08:43.28 | jnwhiteh | it just tells us what's going to happen to us if we do it. |
| 08:43.30 | Corgrath | Yes, they do.. by rules. |
| 08:43.33 | jnwhiteh | No |
| 08:43.35 | jnwhiteh | they tell us what is |
| 08:43.37 | jnwhiteh | 'wrong' |
| 08:43.39 | Corgrath | lol, how old are you? 13? |
| 08:43.42 | jnwhiteh | and what happens if we do 'wrong things' |
| 08:43.42 | jnwhiteh | 29 |
| 08:43.42 | breser | Right but the government imposed consequences are certainly more realistic. |
| 08:43.44 | jnwhiteh | idiot. |
| 08:43.48 | Corgrath | 29? omg? You live in a basement? |
| 08:43.51 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 08:44.01 | jnwhiteh | two degrees, working on my PhD. |
| 08:44.05 | jnwhiteh | i'm clearly a basement troll with no life |
| 08:44.06 | breser | He lives in a basement where he rights books that sit on my desk. |
| 08:44.08 | nevcairiel | No-one can force you to do *anything* or don't do anything |
| 08:44.10 | breser | writes* |
| 08:44.11 | breser | Ugh |
| 08:44.12 | jnwhiteh | oh yeah, except for those books I write |
| 08:44.22 | jnwhiteh | and that life I have |
| 08:44.26 | jnwhiteh | nice personal insults tho |
| 08:44.27 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 08:44.29 | jnwhiteh | or attempts. |
| 08:44.34 | breser | jnwhiteh: WTF you have a life? No way! |
| 08:44.36 | jnwhiteh | Its semantics. |
| 08:44.56 | breser | wait a minute wasn't cladhaire a priest? |
| 08:45.01 | jnwhiteh | no, Sagart was |
| 08:45.02 | breser | You said you didn't play a rogue anymore. |
| 08:45.05 | jnwhiteh | Cladhaire means 'Rogue' in Irish |
| 08:45.08 | jnwhiteh | Sagart meants 'Priest'. |
| 08:45.12 | jnwhiteh | Sealgaire is 'Hunter', etc. |
| 08:45.14 | breser | orly! |
| 08:45.15 | jnwhiteh | all my toon's names. |
| 08:45.17 | jnwhiteh | srsly. |
| 08:45.27 | jnwhiteh | Mallaithe is 'Wicked', thus my warlock. |
| 08:45.31 | breser | Your avatar is confusing then. |
| 08:45.31 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2591 / (2 files in 2 directories): Make darkmoon faire and day of the dead translatable. |
| 08:45.47 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: So you fight for addons breaking blizzards rules? |
| 08:45.53 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 08:45.56 | jnwhiteh | I think the rules are reasonable. |
| 08:45.59 | Corgrath | "how the f'ck can they stop you? HAHAH" |
| 08:46.03 | breser | Corgrath: He's just trying to explain to you how you're wrong on the Internet. |
| 08:46.16 | Corgrath | "How the hell can they stop me? If they cant stop me, its anot a rule! lol" |
| 08:46.25 | breser | As crazy as this is, jnwhiteh is trying to help you learn something. |
| 08:46.25 | jnwhiteh | it IS a rule. |
| 08:46.30 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: The definition of the word 'disallow' is in question, and I'll concede that by the definition of the word.. Blizzard most certainly 'disallows' addons with donation windows. I'm sorry for the confusion. |
| 08:46.39 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: how do they punish me then? |
| 08:46.44 | jnwhiteh | But the whole point of entering this conversation was your assertion that Blizzard can 'force' an addon author to do something. And they can't. |
| 08:46.45 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 08:46.51 | jnwhiteh | Now you are arguing my point for me? |
| 08:47.00 | nevcairiel | Corgrath: you still don't get it, no-one can stop you from doing anything, no-one can stop you from killing your neighbor either, if you can live with the results of your actions =P |
| 08:47.08 | jnwhiteh | So I apoligize for using the word 'disallow' where I meant to use 'force', and the confusion it caused. |
| 08:47.22 | jnwhiteh | This whole time I have been talking about your assertion that Blizzard can 'force' me to do anything, which is patently untrue. |
| 08:47.31 | nevcairiel | For killing your neighbors, they throw you in prison, for releasing addons that break the rules, they *might* blacklist your addon |
| 08:47.35 | nevcairiel | but they can't stop you from doign it |
| 08:47.39 | asmodai | I haven't followed the discussion, but seriously, once you start throwing around ad hominems Corgrath, you are effectively losing a debate. |
| 08:47.49 | Corgrath | nevcairiel: Agreed. People have the right to do what they want. However, if they break govered or social rules, there are results. |
| 08:47.49 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03Ackis 07master * Alpha4-17-ga2bff9f DB/MountDatabase.lua: [+1 commit] Apparently the argent warhorse is not pally only. |
| 08:48.17 | Torhal | Corgrath: You stated that Blizzard can FORCE AddOn authors to license their code any way THEY want. |
| 08:48.19 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: of course there are, and that's what I've been saying this whole time. |
| 08:48.41 | breser | This whole thing got sidetracked horribly. |
| 08:48.48 | Corgrath | Torhal: Yes, if you want to have an addon that does not against blizzard's addon rules, you have to actually.. follow the rules. |
| 08:49.06 | breser | Nobody was arguing that anyone should violate Blizzard's policies. Simply that Blizzard has a limited set of consequences, very limited. |
| 08:49.11 | Torhal | That states NOTHING about which license it's distributed under |
| 08:49.16 | Torhal | Completely different animal, pal. |
| 08:49.26 | breser | Their ability to make authors do anything is limited to the willingess of the author to cooperate with them and play nice. |
| 08:49.44 | breser | Most of us are willing to do that. But that's not really making us do anything. We're CHOOSING to cooperate. |
| 08:50.17 | Corgrath | Torhal: jnwhiteh argued the face that blizzard cannot force developers to dist their addons under a certain license. |
| 08:50.21 | Corgrath | fact* |
| 08:50.24 | jnwhiteh | They cannot. |
| 08:50.35 | jnwhiteh | they can say its against their rules to not distribute with a certain license. |
| 08:50.41 | jnwhiteh | they are completely different things. |
| 08:50.43 | breser | Contrary to people on the forums insistance, the policy change didn't make Carbonite free. Carbonite's authors chose to make it free and respect Blizzard's policy. |
| 08:50.54 | jnwhiteh | something being against the rules does not 'force' anyone to do anything. |
| 08:50.56 | jnwhiteh | that's the point |
| 08:50.59 | jnwhiteh | read it twice, perhaps three times. |
| 08:51.04 | Corgrath | breser: like they had a choice. |
| 08:51.08 | jnwhiteh | Just because a rule exists, it does not force anyone to do anything. |
| 08:51.09 | breser | The authors could have just as easily simply, stopped distributing Carbonite. |
| 08:51.12 | jnwhiteh | yep. |
| 08:51.15 | jnwhiteh | or they could ahve gone rogue |
| 08:51.18 | jnwhiteh | and gone into court over it. |
| 08:51.25 | jnwhiteh | they chose another option |
| 08:51.47 | nevcairiel | Somehow i doubt it would ever go to court, it would just go to the addon blacklist :P |
| 08:51.52 | Corgrath | court? So you just answered your own question? |
| 08:51.57 | jnwhiteh | ... no, I didn't |
| 08:52.01 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:52.02 | breser | If Blizzard created a rule that said "All addons must be GPL." I can assure you some authors would stop writing addons. |
| 08:52.18 | Corgrath | Yes, what is the "results" of developing rogue addons - you just answered it yourself. |
| 08:52.21 | breser | And that rule wouldn't automatically make the existing addons GPL. |
| 08:52.29 | Torhal | It definitely would not. |
| 08:52.32 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: in one specific case, where money is involved. |
| 08:52.40 | jnwhiteh | If they took me to court over the license of my addon, I woudl win. |
| 08:52.44 | Torhal | ONLY the Author can decide the license of an AddOn. |
| 08:52.48 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: but still, you answered your own question. |
| 08:52.49 | Torhal | Period. End of story. |
| 08:53.00 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 08:53.02 | breser | So no matter how convenient it would be for you to have all the addons distributed under a license that you could do whatever the hell you wanted with them. It's never going to happen. |
| 08:53.06 | breser | So end of discussion. |
| 08:53.07 | Corgrath | Torhal: no, blizzard can add rules to that too. |
| 08:53.18 | Torhal | You are so full of shit my monitor stinks. |
| 08:53.23 | Corgrath | Torhal: Do you have an fact stating they cannot add a license-rule? |
| 08:53.30 | Corgrath | any* |
| 08:53.31 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: that doesn't force me to do anything.. I just have to deal with the repercussions of my actions. |
| 08:53.32 | Torhal | It's called Copyright |
| 08:53.33 | jnwhiteh | They can add the rule |
| 08:53.36 | jnwhiteh | but they cannot force me to do anything. |
| 08:53.37 | jnwhiteh | period. |
| 08:53.39 | breser | Corgrath: It's called Copyright law. |
| 08:53.42 | jnwhiteh | free will, Sir. |
| 08:54.02 | Corgrath | breser: Do you know what the copyright law is? |
| 08:54.07 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:54.10 | Shadowed | New rule |
| 08:54.12 | Shadowed | I am king |
| 08:54.36 | asmodai | Death to the king! |
| 08:54.37 | breser | Corgrath: "We will block for-pay addons from functioning with World of Warcraft, we have no intention of claiming copyrights over all addons." - Blizzard |
| 08:54.41 | breser | email sitting in my box. |
| 08:55.21 | breser | That's sufficient for me to believe they will never do what you're suggesting. |
| 08:55.22 | Shadowed | What block really means is, they will scare off people from paying for the addon because they think Blizzard doesn't want them using it |
| 08:55.40 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 08:55.40 | jnwhiteh | doesn't change a thing for the author. |
| 08:56.06 | breser | And before you say anyting about the authors account. There are quite a few authors that don't even play WoW around here. |
| 08:56.39 | breser | Quite a few of us spend more time writing addons than actually playing the game. |
| 08:56.45 | Torhal | Yup. |
| 08:56.48 | Corgrath | breser: You do have copyright of what code you write, however, since it uses blizzard's api and also blizzar'd own code - in order to function - they can "set up a rule/force" you. |
| 08:57.00 | Ackis | my god my brain is getting stupider by reading this conversation, next thing you know I'll be creating LibAckis |
| 08:57.09 | Torhal | They cannot determine which license I release my code under. |
| 08:57.10 | breser | Corgrath: Read the quote I posted, then go read on derived works. |
| 08:57.18 | Shadowed | Ackis will it imbed every Ace2 and Ace3 library for convience? |
| 08:57.18 | breser | Corgrath: That sentence has some very specific meaning. |
| 08:57.26 | Torhal | Shadowed: Ace1 as well |
| 08:57.28 | Ackis | Shadowed: and rock |
| 08:57.29 | jnwhiteh | Okay, you guys have this all covered it seems. |
| 08:57.40 | jnwhiteh | I'm off to go row. |
| 08:57.47 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: i need a stand in too |
| 08:57.54 | Shadowed | Ackis can be yours |
| 08:57.55 | breser | Finally go read up on estoppel. |
| 08:57.58 | Shadowed | or Fisker, take your pick |
| 08:58.03 | Ackis | i'm off to go sleep, I need to be up in 4.5 hours in order to get more gamerscore! |
| 08:58.08 | Shadowed | Fisker it is |
| 08:58.09 | Ackis | Shadowed: You already are <3 |
| 08:58.14 | breser | When you've read up on all that, you'll understand why I think you won't ever see a policy specifying the licenses. |
| 08:58.16 | Ackis | Fisker: how's borderlands? |
| 08:58.39 | Torhal | Corgrath: By the way, since you seem to have no clue who jnwhiteh is...you should probably go here: http://wowprogramming.com/about |
| 08:58.42 | Corgrath | breser: nope, but the argument was not if they exist, but that they can be added. |
| 08:58.49 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh is a hack, but we keep him here cause he's awesome |
| 08:58.53 | Torhal | hah |
| 08:58.54 | Shadowed | he also did that wowprogramming thing |
| 08:59.12 | breser | I'm not arguing that they don't exist now, I'm arguing that they never will exist. |
| 08:59.16 | Corgrath | Matthew Orlando? |
| 08:59.28 | Torhal | Are you that dense? |
| 08:59.32 | Shadowed | I think whatever it is you are arguing is stupid |
| 08:59.34 | Shadowed | and irrelevant |
| 08:59.38 | Shadowed | and even at 2 AM I can tell you this |
| 09:00.07 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: no offence, but i think you're a kiddiescripter :) You create addons and think you know the computer software industry becuse you are popular in an IRC channel. |
| 09:00.15 | Torhal | Wow |
| 09:00.15 | Shadowed | er |
| 09:00.18 | Torhal | Just. Wow. |
| 09:00.18 | Shadowed | you are being sarcastic |
| 09:00.19 | Shadowed | right |
| 09:00.23 | Ackis | ... |
| 09:00.24 | Torhal | Shadowed: He's a fucking troll. |
| 09:00.25 | Ackis | ........ |
| 09:00.26 | Ackis | ................. |
| 09:00.28 | Shadowed | or a troll |
| 09:00.28 | Ackis | ............................... |
| 09:00.30 | Torhal | And a WoWMatrix shill |
| 09:00.31 | Ackis | ........................................... |
| 09:00.33 | Ackis | ..................................................... |
| 09:00.36 | Ackis | ......................................................... |
| 09:00.37 | Shadowed | is he? |
| 09:00.40 | Ackis | ................................................................................ |
| 09:00.43 | Shadowed | should just ban him and be done with it :> |
| 09:00.45 | breser | Corgrath: "Jim is a graduate of Syracuse University where he completed both his BSc and MSc in computer science. He is currently pursuing his DPhil in computer science at the University of Oxford, where he is also the teaching assistant for the Computing Laboratory." |
| 09:00.45 | Ackis | ................................................................................................. |
| 09:00.59 | Corgrath | he's jim? |
| 09:01.09 | breser | jnwhiteh = James Whitehead |
| 09:01.09 | Torhal | If you read from where he started this "conversation", you'd see that all he's wanting to do is deny that authors control the license of their own code so he can make a WM-like site |
| 09:01.12 | breser | Use your head. |
| 09:01.32 | Shadowed | I came into this late, my stupid sense was going crazy |
| 09:01.33 | Corgrath | breser: yea, all nicknames are abbrivations of real names.. uh.. yea. |
| 09:01.57 | Corgrath | breser: besies, jim and james are two different names? |
| 09:02.00 | breser | Corgrath: Seriously, I have talked with jnwhiteh enough to know he's really who he says he is. |
| 09:02.04 | Torhal | Jim is shorthand for James |
| 09:02.16 | Torhal | And seriously, I can't believe I just typed that |
| 09:02.20 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 09:02.30 | breser | Given that he's gotten changes made to Blizzard code for me. I'm pretty sure it's really him. |
| 09:02.43 | Corgrath | Why would you write "jim" as a short for "james" in a decent article? unless it's a lol-article. |
| 09:02.44 | Shadowed | Might be an imposter, burn it and find out |
| 09:02.45 | breser | BTW thanks again for that jnwhiteh |
| 09:03.05 | breser | Corgrath: It's a freaking about the authors page. |
| 09:03.17 | Shadowed | It's also likely written by him anyway |
| 09:03.23 | Corgrath | breser: But still, why not use his real name? |
| 09:03.34 | breser | Because Jim is probably the name he goes by. |
| 09:03.35 | Torhal | Jim is an ACCEPTED "nickname" for James. |
| 09:03.49 | Torhal | Like Bill to William. |
| 09:03.51 | breser | I can't believe I'm fucking have a conversation about if Jim is short for James on the fucking Internet. |
| 09:03.51 | Torhal | etc |
| 09:03.52 | Torhal | etc |
| 09:03.54 | Torhal | etc |
| 09:03.56 | Torhal | No shit |
| 09:03.56 | Aeyan | Are you guys listening to yourselves, now? =P |
| 09:03.57 | Torhal | WTF |
| 09:04.02 | Corgrath | breser: agreed :) |
| 09:04.08 | Torhal | Aeyan: he's made us stupid, I swear. |
| 09:04.12 | breser | Agreed? WTLKFJDLSKRTJWLEKRJLWKEJRLWEKJRLWEKJR |
| 09:04.19 | breser | You fucking started this nonsene. |
| 09:04.20 | Shadowed | ER Torhal, ER |
| 09:04.34 | breser | Alright, Corgrath with all sincerity. Go fuck yourself. |
| 09:04.44 | Corgrath | breser: If i could, i would. |
| 09:04.51 | asmodai | rofl: Right Click to summon and dismiss your toxic wasteling. Do not feed toxic wasteling. Do not allow toxic wasteling to approach small animals. Do not touch, sniff, or even look at toxic wasteling for extended periods of time. |
| 09:05.28 | breser | asmodai: Type this: s/toxic wasteling/Corgrath/ |
| 09:06.00 | sb|work | asmodai: giev!? |
| 09:07.19 | Corgrath | If wowmatrix ripes everything from sites like curse, etc. How come they can avoid the bans? |
| 09:08.07 | Corgrath | wowace has a good idea here with reps, but it should be an open site :S |
| 09:08.26 | Brybry | define "open site" |
| 09:08.42 | asmodai | sb|work: think it's for 3.3 |
| 09:08.44 | Brybry | I don't believe you have to pay anything or sell your soul to download anything |
| 09:08.51 | Corgrath | Easy to download from and.. free to download from. |
| 09:09.17 | Repo | 10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz * r5 builddata.php: Builddata for items/objects |
| 09:09.30 | Subdino | just got a -20 intel debuf |
| 09:09.33 | Corgrath | Brybry: I need a source of addons for my idea, but dunno what the best tactic is. To rip everything from wowace, etc. or.. i dont know |
| 09:09.34 | Subdino | wow, what an aura |
| 09:09.36 | Brybry | were you not around when wowace had a simple html layout file list of all its addons? |
| 09:09.46 | Brybry | stealing bandwidth from other people is bad |
| 09:09.54 | Corgrath | Brybry: what choice do i have? |
| 09:10.17 | Brybry | creating your own site, have people upload stuff themselves, then have your own updater for your own site? |
| 09:10.47 | Brybry | no one will probably sue you if you seed the initial version of addons yourself from other sites though they'll probably grumble about it |
| 09:10.56 | Corgrath | Brybry: you mean, to do exactly the same as everyone else? no thanks |
| 09:11.24 | *** join/#wowace Derimus (i=Timothy0@ool-45753fcd.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 09:11.36 | Brybry | no one ever said morality made life easy |
| 09:11.37 | Corgrath | I have a kick-ass idea for a "wow update client", like curse/wowmatrix has - but i have one feature they don't have. |
| 09:11.48 | *** join/#wowace sztanphet (n=sztanpet@142.58ec54.tvnetwork.hu) |
| 09:12.36 | jnwhiteh | I am a kiddie scripter? |
| 09:12.44 | jnwhiteh | neat, good to know. |
| 09:12.46 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: someone.. said that. |
| 09:12.51 | Brybry | in the end it will cost someone money to host all the addons |
| 09:13.01 | Corgrath | bah, i really need to find an open site. I don't think wowace/curse would allow me downloading their addons once a day.. |
| 09:13.10 | Wobin | is kinda stunned by the wtfness of this whole last hour or so |
| 09:13.19 | Repo | 10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz 04r5-beta * r6 : Tagging as r5-beta |
| 09:13.26 | Cairenn | ... |
| 09:13.32 | Wobin | wtf are you on. And can you go smoke it somewhere else? |
| 09:13.41 | sztanpet | is this dude mentally retarded? |
| 09:13.41 | Corgrath | Wobin: me? |
| 09:13.56 | Wobin | If you have to ask, you know precisely whom I'm talking about =P |
| 09:14.44 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: i read you had a bc in cs, you need that before going to ms? |
| 09:15.08 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: I have a BSc, an MSc and I'm doing my PhD |
| 09:15.11 | Wobin | Generally you need a bachelor degree before getting a masters |
| 09:15.14 | jnwhiteh | so would you like to try again? |
| 09:15.21 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: I pasted that to him already. |
| 09:15.27 | Wobin | it's the whole point of a masters |
| 09:15.29 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: You missed out on the Jim vs James debate. |
| 09:15.37 | Wobin | Shefki, thankfully |
| 09:15.41 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: so you first studies bsc and then you continued to msc? |
| 09:16.17 | Wobin | no. He pulled the msc out of a cornflake packet |
| 09:16.18 | sb|work | no |
| 09:16.19 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 09:16.22 | jnwhiteh | that's how they work, yes. |
| 09:16.23 | sb|work | he did msc first |
| 09:16.26 | sb|work | :/ |
| 09:16.26 | Shefki | Would someone finally just kick the guy, I've already ignored him but I can't ignore 90% of the channel responding to the troll. |
| 09:16.26 | Wobin | That's what he just SAID |
| 09:16.27 | jnwhiteh | I did my BSc and then my MSc |
| 09:16.33 | jnwhiteh | and now I'm at Oxford working on my PhD |
| 09:16.35 | *** join/#wowace CrazyBenny_ (n=s_m@actplus.cust.sloane.cz) |
| 09:16.37 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure whats difficult to understand |
| 09:16.38 | Cairenn | BSC = Bachelors, Science, MSc = Masters, Science |
| 09:17.28 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: i thought so, since where i live, you dont automatically get bsc if you study for msc |
| 09:17.43 | Shefki | I can't believe I'm actually investigated this ridiculous bug report. |
| 09:18.02 | Torhal | Shefki: Trolls in the unit frames? |
| 09:18.03 | Torhal | :D |
| 09:18.11 | Cairenn | and Corgrath - pulling from other sites to seed your own will end up with you getting many legal documents telling you to stop it and remove the stuff or face being charged |
| 09:18.19 | Shefki | Torhal: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/625-bugged-feral-spirit/ |
| 09:18.28 | Corgrath | Cairenn: got anything to back that up? |
| 09:18.37 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: ... |
| 09:18.40 | Cairenn | rolls her eyes |
| 09:18.44 | Wobin | Shefki, rofl |
| 09:18.46 | Wobin | ULTIMATE |
| 09:18.53 | nevcairiel | I wonder if he realizes who Cairenn is |
| 09:18.57 | Shefki | I've just spent the past 15 minutes running around Dalarn on the 62 Shaman becuase it's horde and I keep going to try to use the alliance portals. |
| 09:18.58 | Cairenn | doubt it |
| 09:19.04 | Corgrath | but seriously, can they "force" me? ;) |
| 09:19.09 | Cairenn | yes |
| 09:19.12 | Cairenn | they can |
| 09:19.13 | Shefki | And realizing that I can't and then I run half way there, get distracted by this stuff and then forget again. |
| 09:19.22 | Corgrath | Cairenn: please tell jnwhiteh how |
| 09:19.29 | Torhal | ... |
| 09:19.36 | Corgrath | Cairenn: he kept answereing me how he can be "forced" |
| 09:19.39 | Torhal | This is so painful. |
| 09:19.40 | Corgrath | asking* |
| 09:19.41 | Shefki | I always play alliance. |
| 09:19.50 | Cairenn | you really don't have any clue who you're talking to and about, do you? |
| 09:19.51 | Shefki | The bug report? |
| 09:19.53 | Wobin | I fear asking for clarification |
| 09:20.01 | Wobin | cause I feel I really really -don't- want to know |
| 09:20.11 | asmodai | Wobin: then dont |
| 09:20.12 | Torhal | Corgrath: Stealing other people's bandwidth is completely different from Blizzard being able to tell you how to license your code. Jeebus. |
| 09:20.15 | Wobin | I shan't |
| 09:20.25 | Shefki | Ugh, I fear I have to take the guy off ignore becuase I'm confused as hell in here now with him on ignore. |
| 09:20.29 | asmodai | Wobin: Just take a Tim Tam. |
| 09:20.31 | Cairenn | Torhal: and they don't tell authors how to license their work |
| 09:20.34 | Wobin | Shefki, I don't think it'll help =P |
| 09:20.36 | Corgrath | Torhal: stealing other sites bandwidth is not a crime by law. |
| 09:20.39 | Torhal | Cairenn: Tell that to Corgrath |
| 09:20.53 | Cairenn | Corgrath: yes it is |
| 09:20.56 | Cairenn | give me a break |
| 09:20.57 | Wobin | asmodai, If I could chew anything, I might =( |
| 09:21.20 | Mikk | wonders if perhaps Corgrath is another one of those 15 year olds that think he knows the law because he watched TV |
| 09:21.39 | nevcairiel | we're all lawyers on the internetz! |
| 09:21.44 | Torhal | oi! |
| 09:21.44 | Wobin | Corgrath, Do you really really think you're going to build up a good rep with addon authors and users by starting your entire career by STEALING from other people? |
| 09:21.45 | Corgrath | Cairenn: serously? It's not crime to steal a sites bandwidth, if it is, please give me a source |
| 09:21.49 | Shefki | I know the law.... The law won |
| 09:22.01 | nevcairiel | Corgrath: it is, at least in my country :P |
| 09:22.06 | Wobin | Shefki shot the sheriff |
| 09:22.08 | Torhal | Classic: "it's not a crime to steal"... |
| 09:22.17 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: It's really sad that you had to resort to personal attacks |
| 09:22.18 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 09:22.34 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: its irc, cant be personal here ;) |
| 09:22.40 | Torhal | ... |
| 09:22.45 | Wobin | ad hominem is a well used form of logic in trolling! |
| 09:22.58 | Wobin | Corgrath, You're an arse |
| 09:23.01 | Wobin | and so's your mom |
| 09:23.07 | Cairenn | okay, I'm done feeding the troll for now - if he goes too far over the line, let me know and I'll kickban |
| 09:23.08 | Wobin | Nothing personal |
| 09:23.11 | Zhinjio | hahahahahah |
| 09:23.22 | Corgrath | Cairenn: did you have proof? serious question. |
| 09:23.24 | Mikk | This is a perfect reason why I should have chanop. I'd have him booted ages ago for squandering the signal-to-noise ratio of the channel. |
| 09:23.42 | Zhinjio | to quote a far from good friend of mine many years ago : "You're all overestimating the power I have here" |
| 09:23.44 | asmodai | Wait? We have signal to noise here? |
| 09:23.47 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.53 | nevcairiel | we have signal here? |
| 09:24.00 | Wobin | Main screen turn on |
| 09:24.03 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: keep on thinking that. |
| 09:24.05 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Which is what I meant to say. :( |
| 09:24.06 | Mikk | Fisker is the #1 reason. |
| 09:24.08 | Torhal | Zhinjio: I had a friend who once said "I'll use my telepathetic powers." |
| 09:24.12 | Subdino | wonders what "stealing bandwith" means... |
| 09:24.17 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: thinking what? |
| 09:24.25 | Subdino | service provider refusing to service ? |
| 09:24.27 | Zhinjio | Torhal: DO NOT DOUBT THE POWER OF CHEESE CLOTH! |
| 09:24.28 | Corgrath | Subdino: doesnt matter, since its obviously "illegal" |
| 09:24.29 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: that the shit you say on the internet isn't personal. |
| 09:24.36 | asmodai | Subdino: I'm on your WiFi, leeching your bandwidth. |
| 09:24.38 | jnwhiteh | There's a reason peopel in this channel jumped to my defense. |
| 09:24.40 | Wobin | Zhinjio, Blessed are the -cheesemakers-? |
| 09:24.45 | jnwhiteh | its because you were out of line, and just grasping at straws at this point. |
| 09:24.48 | jnwhiteh | And that's just sad =/. |
| 09:25.12 | nevcairiel | Corgrath: i could quote you the german laws against hot-linking files, ie stealing bandwidth, but i doubt you can read them :P |
| 09:25.19 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: This is IRC. You cant take anything of this personal or your are already screwed. There are now laws or rules in IRC. People say "fuckface" to everyone without blinking. |
| 09:25.31 | jnwhiteh | If you said 'fuckface', I wouldn't mind. |
| 09:25.35 | Corgrath | nevcairiel: so google is illegal? |
| 09:25.36 | nevcairiel | Corgrath: only you do that, we're nice people here |
| 09:25.45 | Subdino | asmodai: rejected, that's different, since I subscribe a customer-to-provider contract. you're on neither side, so out of contract, so illegal. I wonder how it would look like from a server-renting point of view |
| 09:25.48 | jnwhiteh | btu you didn't, you decided that you (a complete unknown) needed to try and call my credentials into question, without knowing a damn thing about me. |
| 09:25.53 | jnwhiteh | I'm not upset, it's just sad. |
| 09:25.55 | Mikk | And, no, we don't have laws. We have chanops. |
| 09:25.59 | jnwhiteh | 'bitchpants' |
| 09:26.00 | jnwhiteh | 'motherfucker' |
| 09:26.01 | nevcairiel | Corgrath: how does google hot-link the files? |
| 09:26.06 | Zhinjio | gamepants! |
| 09:26.09 | jnwhiteh | those aren't personal |
| 09:26.21 | sztanpet | oh my god, this dude is totaly nuts |
| 09:26.25 | Corgrath | nevcairiel: Its called caching |
| 09:26.29 | Cairenn | pants? where? you guys know better than that! |
| 09:26.31 | Torhal | When I played EQ years ago, I came across two gnomes: Paperpants and Plasticpants |
| 09:26.32 | sb|work | its like fisker * 9000... |
| 09:26.37 | Cairenn | runs around the channel and steals everyone's pants |
| 09:26.43 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: You, you, you... CODER! |
| 09:26.47 | jnwhiteh | goes and gets dressed. |
| 09:26.48 | nevcairiel | tough luck, i'm not wearin any! |
| 09:26.54 | krka | interesting discussion the last hour.... well, not really interesting... and just barely a discussion |
| 09:26.55 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: how dare you!! :P |
| 09:27.06 | jnwhiteh | krka: 'sad' I think is the word you're looking for. |
| 09:27.07 | Wobin | Please go away Chris |
| 09:27.12 | Corgrath | nevcairiel: i dont call people f'ckface, i just called jnwhiteh a kiddie scripter ;) |
| 09:27.12 | *** part/#wowace CrazyBenny_ (n=s_m@actplus.cust.sloane.cz) |
| 09:27.12 | Wobin | The internet is definitely personal =P |
| 09:27.29 | Subdino | .me goes around and steal bytes from the intertubes |
| 09:27.33 | Subdino | geh |
| 09:27.36 | asmodai | You mean script kiddie. |
| 09:27.42 | asmodai | Not kiddie scripter. >_< |
| 09:27.49 | Wobin | that sounds dirty |
| 09:27.52 | nevcairiel | srsly, get your insults right at least |
| 09:27.56 | Zhinjio | don't make me call your mom! |
| 09:28.08 | Corgrath | asmodai: color or colour? |
| 09:28.09 | Zhinjio | she'll probably like me more than you. |
| 09:28.37 | Zhinjio | that, and she's easier to get an address for |
| 09:28.44 | asmodai | Colour. |
| 09:28.52 | Zhinjio | not to mention lonely |
| 09:28.54 | Subdino | Corgrath: utf-8 or iso or s-jis ? |
| 09:28.57 | asmodai | And that has nothing to do with what you just said. |
| 09:28.59 | Shefki | Ok Taurens officially suck. |
| 09:29.11 | Zhinjio | G'morning Shefki |
| 09:29.19 | Mikk | Shefki: udderly? |
| 09:29.19 | nevcairiel | taurens taste good..mmmm steak |
| 09:29.21 | Wobin | Shefki, caught the 'how high am I mounted' issue? |
| 09:29.31 | sb|work | hhhm beef |
| 09:29.32 | Corgrath | Cairenn: so i guess you failed at giving me proof :) |
| 09:29.39 | Shefki | Wobin: Let's just say I died in undercity from the elevator and a mount. |
| 09:29.39 | *** join/#wowace CrazyBenny_ (n=s_m@actplus.cust.sloane.cz) |
| 09:29.45 | Wobin | Shefki, I've found |
| 09:29.48 | Wobin | for the HH at least |
| 09:29.50 | Mikk | Corgrath: Google "Cairenn" |
| 09:29.56 | nevcairiel | Corgrath: easy way to find out: just start doing it, and wait for the letters |
| 09:29.58 | Mikk | Yes. It's her. |
| 09:30.02 | Wobin | it's easier for a tauren to go to silvermoon and teleport to UC =P |
| 09:30.09 | sztanpet | yes Corgrath, please do go ahead with your plan of stealing bandwidth and lets see what happens |
| 09:30.09 | Cairenn | Mikk: don't worry about it: as I said, I'm done feeding the troll :) |
| 09:30.15 | sb|work | uh |
| 09:30.17 | sb|work | Mikk |
| 09:30.23 | sb|work | "Cairenn Chasdub; Caireann ("curly-black (hair)") was, according to medieval Irish legend and historical tradition, the daughter of Sachell Balb, king of the Saxons" |
| 09:30.26 | sb|work | !?!??! |
| 09:30.29 | sb|work | :o |
| 09:30.34 | Mikk | aye obviously :P |
| 09:30.38 | Subdino | sb|work: same here |
| 09:30.55 | nevcairiel | curly black hair? i like that :P |
| 09:30.57 | Corgrath | sztanpet: please define "stealing bandwidth"? |
| 09:31.00 | Wobin | aha |
| 09:31.07 | Wobin | Christoffer Pettersson |
| 09:31.07 | sztanpet | Corgrath http://www.google.com/search?q=bandwidth+stealing |
| 09:31.08 | asmodai | Mmm, this Flashforward series is quite interesting so far. |
| 09:31.11 | Mikk | Corgrath: In all courts in the modern world, intent matters |
| 09:31.23 | Wobin | Who says the internet isn't personal =P |
| 09:31.26 | nevcairiel | asmodai: i didn't get around to watching it yet, maybe i should |
| 09:31.44 | Mikk | Hell, it even matters if you kill someone |
| 09:32.02 | Mikk | It could be an accident and you walk free. Or you could have planned it and you get life in the slammer. |
| 09:32.26 | nevcairiel | or not much of a long life in certain US states |
| 09:32.28 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Seen 2 now, I have to say, it's an interesting story/idea so far. |
| 09:32.47 | Corgrath | sztanpet: where is the legal part? |
| 09:33.02 | Subdino | sztanpet: seriously, this can't hold... this sounds so much like drm |
| 09:33.08 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I guess this series qualifies as scifi. |
| 09:33.16 | Subdino | like... it's trying to prevent what the thing is designed for |
| 09:33.33 | Subdino | access content, but don't access content |
| 09:33.38 | Subdino | DoS is another problem |
| 09:33.39 | nevcairiel | hot linking has already been proven illegal in court |
| 09:33.46 | nevcairiel | at least in germany, don't care much for other places |
| 09:34.09 | Corgrath | nevcairiel: who stated i wanted to hotlink? |
| 09:34.27 | nevcairiel | If you leech files of websites without showing the website, its the same thing |
| 09:34.34 | sztanpet | Subdino your not getting it either i see |
| 09:34.48 | Corgrath | nevcairiel: not it isnt |
| 09:34.51 | Mikk | This is the relevant link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_linking |
| 09:34.52 | nevcairiel | Sure it is |
| 09:34.57 | Torhal | Plus the whole re-dirtribution without permission thing |
| 09:34.57 | krka | asmodai: i watched ep1, not sure if i should continue, shows about future predictions generally suck |
| 09:35.06 | Corgrath | nevcairiel: no, downloading and hotlinking is not the same thing. |
| 09:35.11 | krka | and ep1 seemed rush and incoherent |
| 09:35.13 | Torhal | s/dirtribution/distribution/ |
| 09:35.22 | nevcairiel | In both cases its bandwidth theft |
| 09:35.39 | Aeyan | I find it a little strange that you demand proof of the illegality of bandwidth theft but argued for a damn hour about Blizzard's legal right to force an addon author to do something, with no evidence to support. |
| 09:35.42 | nevcairiel | You use their bandwidth, without any chance for them to show their ads or w/e to finance it |
| 09:35.58 | Aeyan | But anyway, this discussion has made me sleepy |
| 09:36.02 | asmodai | krka: I find ep2 to be nice, takes up the show in better ways. |
| 09:36.10 | Aeyan | passes out. |
| 09:36.13 | Shefki | I'm pretty sure this ticket is invalid. |
| 09:36.17 | Zhinjio | this discussion has made me horny. Where's Fisker!?!?!? |
| 09:36.22 | asmodai | krka: Wonder if ep1 was done to sell the show to the network. |
| 09:36.23 | Shefki | For one thing I can't even imagine wth Feral Spirit has to do with PB4. |
| 09:36.27 | asmodai | Zhinjio: DON'T DO IT MAN! |
| 09:36.27 | Wobin | Shefki, The spirit wolves one? |
| 09:36.31 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 09:36.33 | Zhinjio | must.resist. |
| 09:36.35 | Wobin | Shefki, totally invalid |
| 09:36.39 | Shefki | And it's seeming to work fine for me. |
| 09:36.40 | Mikk | If you download and publish from your own servers, you get slammed by all of us |
| 09:36.42 | Wobin | shaman have no control over the wolves |
| 09:36.43 | Mikk | Because then you're wowmatrix |
| 09:36.43 | Shefki | Wobin: You have Shaman? |
| 09:36.45 | Wobin | yeah |
| 09:36.53 | Shefki | I have a pet bar for them. |
| 09:36.56 | Shefki | I can control them just fine. |
| 09:36.59 | Mikk | And we tell you that you can't redistribute our addons without our permissions |
| 09:37.14 | Antiarc | I'll C&D anyone that distributes my addons without a license to do so. *shrug* |
| 09:37.16 | Shefki | Not that I have a clue what I'm doing. |
| 09:37.29 | Mikk | Yes - the open source licensed ones can't be controlled. But there's plenty that aren't. |
| 09:37.34 | Wobin | Shefki, hm |
| 09:37.38 | asmodai | Yes, the wolves has a petbar |
| 09:38.12 | asmodai | I generally sick them on mob#2 while I am looting just killed mob#1. |
| 09:38.13 | Corgrath | mikk: yea, but what can happen? |
| 09:38.34 | Mikk | Eh, you're in violation of copyright law. |
| 09:38.34 | Subdino | sztanpet: know xanadu project ? they still arent anywhere out of labs with their hyperlink target versioning and auto update |
| 09:38.39 | asmodai | krka: ep2 has nice explosions. :D |
| 09:38.50 | Subdino | in the while, we are stuck with stupid, static hyperlinks |
| 09:38.51 | Wobin | works fine for me |
| 09:38.52 | Zhinjio | Antiarc: thats because you want my hot sex0rz. |
| 09:39.04 | Corgrath | Mikk: what does wowmatrix do? |
| 09:39.05 | Zhinjio | Antiarc: and, well, because you're smart. |
| 09:39.16 | Mikk | Corgrath: you don't think they're having legal problems? |
| 09:39.17 | asmodai | distributes Antiarc's addons. |
| 09:39.28 | asmodai | Try your C&D now. :P |
| 09:39.36 | Shefki | steals ckknight's code and sells it to the Chinese. |
| 09:39.42 | Corgrath | Mikk: they have "legal" problems too? i only heard the sites blocked wowmatrix |
| 09:39.57 | asmodai | Shefki: Who subsequently reject it. |
| 09:40.08 | Torhal | Corgrath: WoWMatrix is only using open-source-licensed AddOns now, since they were sent several C&D and DMCA notices. |
| 09:40.17 | Wobin | every author that wanted to sent a C&D letter to wowmatrix |
| 09:40.24 | Wobin | I certainly did |
| 09:40.39 | Shefki | I didn't bother on one of my addons but they're violating my copyright. |
| 09:40.43 | Shefki | I just don't happen to care. |
| 09:40.47 | Zhinjio | I sent them one for each of my alternate personalities. They thought it was a DDoS. |
| 09:40.49 | Wobin | I had no intention of WM making a profit off my work, when they treated the authors so terribly in the first place |
| 09:40.53 | nevcairiel | When i noticed the C&D wave they alread took down my stuff because its ARR licensed :P |
| 09:41.16 | Shefki | I wonder if they took my stuff down. |
| 09:41.17 | asmodai | YARRR |
| 09:41.18 | nevcairiel | was kinda funny beign spammed by people that wanted me to re-license it, though |
| 09:41.22 | Wobin | yeah |
| 09:41.28 | Wobin | stupid really |
| 09:41.44 | Corgrath | Torhal: how do you know if an addon is open-source-licensed? i mean, how the heck do they know? :) |
| 09:41.50 | Wobin | there are very obvious reasons I want control over how many sites distribute my addons |
| 09:41.59 | nevcairiel | ... they usually ship with the license? |
| 09:42.03 | Wobin | and ARR is one way I can control that |
| 09:42.06 | Shefki | Hah they took mine down. |
| 09:42.15 | Corgrath | nevcairiel: they cant open each addon and read the license tho.. |
| 09:42.17 | Subdino | Corgrath: Licence file in the packaging ? Headers in files ? |
| 09:42.18 | Wobin | Corgrath, Any addon without a license is automatically ARR |
| 09:42.22 | nevcairiel | Corgrath: they have to :P |
| 09:42.37 | Shefki | Corgrath: Of course they can, why can't they? |
| 09:42.38 | Corgrath | Wobin: ARR? |
| 09:42.40 | asmodai | krka: But seriously, it's not another Lost series :D |
| 09:42.42 | Wobin | All Rights Reserved |
| 09:42.47 | Shefki | Hmm |
| 09:42.47 | Torhal | Corgrath: And if an AddOn ships with no license, it's automatically All Rights Reserved |
| 09:42.49 | Shefki | "PitBull (GPLv2) - A complete replacement for Blizzard's default unit frames, including raid frames. (Author: ckknight, Shefki, Adirelle)" |
| 09:42.50 | Corgrath | Shefki: each addon, each release.. urgh! |
| 09:42.56 | Wobin | Corgrath, of course they do |
| 09:43.05 | Shefki | That's really bizzare. |
| 09:43.08 | Mikk | Corgrath: and yet, THEY HAVE TO |
| 09:43.10 | Mikk | That's the law |
| 09:43.11 | nevcairiel | is its GPL? then you can't really stop them |
| 09:43.17 | nevcairiel | -s |
| 09:43.19 | Shefki | nevcairiel: The old versions are. |
| 09:43.21 | Corgrath | so, thats.. crazy |
| 09:43.22 | Wobin | if they don't want to be in breach of copyright, they have to be aware of what copyright the addons they're distributing are under |
| 09:43.24 | Mikk | It's much easier when you have the authors on your side |
| 09:43.28 | Mikk | So they give the versions to you |
| 09:43.31 | Wobin | Ignorance is no excuse for the law |
| 09:43.35 | nevcairiel | Shefki: do they only ship old versions? :D |
| 09:43.39 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Yes |
| 09:43.46 | Zhinjio | I ship versions from the future. |
| 09:43.48 | asmodai | Wobin: Seems to work for senators. |
| 09:43.55 | Torhal | Zhinjio: What about sidespace?!? |
| 09:44.01 | Torhal | I cornered the market! |
| 09:44.05 | Zhinjio | Torhal: DENY ME! |
| 09:44.08 | Wobin | asmodai, define "work" |
| 09:44.10 | Shefki | nevcairiel: My guess would be it's PB3. That's slwoly but surely dying. |
| 09:44.10 | Mikk | shoots a nuke at a 90 degree angle from reality at Torhal |
| 09:44.14 | Subdino | Corgrath: know about linux distributions ? some actually check all the packages they distribute to be free software, and still ship tens of thousands of them... |
| 09:44.33 | Torhal | Mikk: Foof! |
| 09:44.34 | Corgrath | Subdino: whats a whole community with thousands of people |
| 09:44.36 | Subdino | and they do monitor licence changes, like the infamous xfree server change |
| 09:44.40 | asmodai | Wobin: Conveniently forgetting the constitution when introducing bills. :) |
| 09:44.42 | Zhinjio | Torhal: I was rewriting my own version of TinyMUSH 2.2 when 2.1 was released! They called me a lunatic. And then... they still called me a lunatic. |
| 09:44.53 | asmodai | Zhinjio: Aww, cookie? |
| 09:45.01 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Did you ever think "They're right!"? |
| 09:45.04 | Subdino | Corgrath: of course, and the list of packages is precisely limited by this factor |
| 09:45.06 | Zhinjio | asmodai: oatmeal, plox. |
| 09:45.06 | Shefki | Subdino: Hah I remember being involved in that mess. |
| 09:45.07 | Codayus_ | "It was too much work to check if all those MP3s were copyrighted, so I assumed they were all public domain" |
| 09:45.20 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 09:45.23 | Zhinjio | Torhal: every damn day. I have the scars to prove it. And the cookies. |
| 09:45.24 | Shefki | Subdino: I played go between with Debian and those guys trying to get stuff cleared up. |
| 09:45.27 | Corgrath | Holy crap. So i have a very little chance of creating such a tool myself.. |
| 09:45.27 | Subdino | it's just a matter of scale: make available what you can check |
| 09:45.42 | Mikk | THE QUARTER DROPPED |
| 09:45.48 | Mikk | \o/ |o/ \o| |
| 09:45.48 | Wobin | *ping!* |
| 09:45.53 | Torhal | Corgrath: Starting off attacking AddOn authors? You bet your ass. |
| 09:46.09 | Wobin | Mikk, I think you mean the penny |
| 09:46.18 | Codayus_ | Wobin: Inflation. |
| 09:46.20 | Mikk | No, we piled on a lot of change |
| 09:46.26 | Corgrath | Torhal: no. I need a source of addons for my tool :/ |
| 09:46.30 | Shefki | Corgrath: Let's just say based on the way you treated jnwhiteh I'd say there's a good bet a lot of us would tell you to go shove it. |
| 09:46.41 | Torhal | You should have ingratiated yourself with the authors instead of attacking them. |
| 09:46.54 | Corgrath | Shefki: You guys are 10 of.. lots of developers. |
| 09:47.06 | Corgrath | Shefki: You have no clue who i am. |
| 09:47.08 | asmodai | Some of the most prolific, you mean? |
| 09:47.08 | Mikk | There is no such source. The two major sites are curse and wowi. That's where we (the authors) put them. We give them the right to redistribute our work. |
| 09:47.09 | Shefki | Corgrath: We talk you know. |
| 09:47.10 | Subdino | Shefki: kudos, I can only imagine the amount of work behind that |
| 09:47.14 | Torhal | Some of thje most popular AddOns are written by people here. |
| 09:47.23 | Corgrath | Shefki: Yupp. |
| 09:47.45 | Shefki | Subdino: It didn't get very far. They would clarify their license to me privately but wouldn't do it publicaly to the debian lists. |
| 09:47.55 | Subdino | haha |
| 09:48.03 | Corgrath | Torhal: where is the link between this nick "corgrath" and.. the real world? :) |
| 09:48.23 | Mikk | Easy. We see if a new site crops up with our addons on it. |
| 09:48.26 | Wobin | You mean the one where I posted your LinkedIn page? |
| 09:48.26 | asmodai | There's none? You're a new experiment in the world of AI? |
| 09:48.33 | Mikk | If we don't know who it belongs to, we assume it was the ass that called us names. |
| 09:48.33 | Shefki | And if they'd only do it in private, it would certainly give me estopel but didn't help the world at large. |
| 09:48.36 | Torhal | As soon as a startup appears that "Has features the other guys don't" we'll know who the hell it is :P |
| 09:48.41 | Zhinjio | Corgrath: do you *really* want him to show you? |
| 09:48.47 | Mikk | And send cease&decist letters |
| 09:48.50 | Corgrath | Zhinjio: show? |
| 09:49.05 | Shefki | Corgrath: You're in Sweden. |
| 09:49.06 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Don't make me paste that ASCII Spam can. |
| 09:49.15 | Zhinjio | like I said... your mom will get a phone call. do you really want that? |
| 09:49.16 | Shefki | I doubt very many new addon sites are going to be started in Sweden soon. |
| 09:49.39 | Corgrath | Shefki: who said a website is gonna be started in sweden? |
| 09:49.39 | Mikk | It doesn't make a difference to me tbh |
| 09:49.43 | asmodai | Zhinjio: croissants good too? Going grocery shopping anyway :P |
| 09:49.50 | Mikk | If I see my addons on a site I didn't give them to |
| 09:49.52 | Mikk | I give them the finger |
| 09:49.57 | *** join/#wowace LocBot (n=LocBot@wsip-70-167-195-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 09:50.01 | Corgrath | mikk: but nothing else tho? |
| 09:50.01 | Antiarc | LocBot: Where is Corgrath? |
| 09:50.04 | LocBot | Antiarc: Corgrath is in Lund, Sweden ( Map: http://is.gd/4z6uo ) |
| 09:50.11 | Zhinjio | asmodai: choc.chip cookie dough ice cream plz. I have a hankerin' |
| 09:50.15 | Wobin | <3 locbot |
| 09:50.16 | Antiarc | Have a botsnack, LocBot. |
| 09:50.20 | Corgrath | Antiarc: you know what ripe is |
| 09:50.20 | Shefki | lol Antiarc |
| 09:50.21 | Corgrath | Antiarc: you know what ripe is? |
| 09:50.26 | Shefki | LockBot: Where is Shefki? |
| 09:50.31 | asmodai | Zhinjio: wonder if they have something like Ben & Jerry's |
| 09:50.36 | Wobin | LocBot, where is Wobin |
| 09:50.37 | Shefki | LocBot: Where is Shefki? |
| 09:50.37 | asmodai | ripe as in RIPE? |
| 09:50.37 | LocBot | Wobin: Wobin is in Sydney, Australia ( Map: http://is.gd/4z6wy ) |
| 09:50.39 | LocBot | Shefki: Shefki is in Black Diamond, WA, United States ( Map: http://is.gd/4z6wC ) |
| 09:50.39 | Torhal | Shefki: Speaking of AddOn sites in Sweden...http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/revelation.aspx#539309 |
| 09:50.44 | nevcairiel | LocBot: where am i? |
| 09:50.45 | LocBot | I don't know who that is, nevcairiel. Are they in this channel? |
| 09:50.48 | Mikk | Ahh Lund, nice, lots of legal students there. |
| 09:50.51 | Corgrath | asmodai: yea |
| 09:50.51 | Mikk | Go ask some of them. |
| 09:50.52 | Shefki | lol it's wrong for me. |
| 09:50.54 | Shefki | By a lot. |
| 09:50.56 | asmodai | knows RIPE. |
| 09:51.01 | Shefki | Wonder how it came up with Black Diamond |
| 09:51.05 | nevcairiel | LocBot: where is nevcairiel? |
| 09:51.05 | asmodai | Did enough with them back in my old days. |
| 09:51.06 | LocBot | nevcairiel: I don't know where nevcairiel is from! (Are they cloaked?) |
| 09:51.12 | nevcairiel | oh right, my cloak |
| 09:51.14 | Corgrath | asmodai: then you know you can track pretty much any ip |
| 09:51.29 | Mikk | RIPE is only europe btw |
| 09:51.33 | asmodai | Depends on what level. |
| 09:51.45 | Corgrath | asmodai: of course |
| 09:51.55 | Mikk | So did you just know the name, or have you actually dealt with them? =p |
| 09:52.00 | asmodai | Sure, ARIN, APNIC, RIPE and so on all register netblocks and their contacts, it doesn't mean anything with anonymizers and spoofing. |
| 09:52.01 | Wobin | Christoffer Pettersson |
| 09:52.08 | Shefki | I bet LocBot has an old set of ARIN data. |
| 09:52.16 | Antiarc | It's a few months old, yeah |
| 09:52.21 | Wobin | In any case |
| 09:52.27 | Shefki | ISTR my ips said they were owned by some public school at one point. |
| 09:52.31 | Wobin | if -any- new addon site becomes popular, we'll find out about it |
| 09:52.32 | Shefki | Antiarc: Probably older than that. |
| 09:52.39 | Mikk | QFT @ Wobin |
| 09:52.42 | Wobin | and if it's not doing the right thing, send C&D |
| 09:52.42 | Antiarc | Nah, I updated it a few months ago :P |
| 09:52.48 | Shefki | Because my ARIN entry hasn't been updated since 2005. |
| 09:52.51 | Wobin | if it doesn't become popular, then you suck |
| 09:52.54 | Shefki | I just checked. |
| 09:53.04 | asmodai | Why does this discussion have a semi "dicksizing" component to it? |
| 09:53.23 | krka | corgrath is Christoffer Petterson, lives in lund and studies datateknik at lunds tekniska högskola |
| 09:53.23 | Mikk | Because mine is bigger. |
| 09:53.23 | Wobin | asmodai, cause nothing is personal on the internet |
| 09:53.24 | krka | shouldn't be a major problem to figure out if any new addon site is made by him |
| 09:53.35 | Corgrath | krka: nice try |
| 09:53.45 | Wobin | He works at Netset AB |
| 09:54.01 | Wobin | Java development |
| 09:54.04 | Wobin | The poor man |
| 09:54.11 | asmodai | It's like watching a thread unfold between geeks who want desperately to show which one of them programs in the most esoteric language or on the most esoteric hardware platform. |
| 09:54.32 | krka | http://whois.org/whois/corgrath.com |
| 09:54.32 | Shefki | I program in Lua. Nobody ever hires Lua programmers. :( |
| 09:54.34 | Wobin | assembly language on an old 3 slice toaster? |
| 09:54.51 | asmodai | Wobin: Join NetBSD, we did that. :P |
| 09:54.53 | Mikk | LISP. On a 9-bit VAX. |
| 09:55.04 | Mikk | woulda won with that |
| 09:55.11 | Mikk | probably wouldnt still be sane tho |
| 09:55.21 | Torhal | Mikk: 9-bit clean! Under Kermit! |
| 09:55.25 | Mikk | huhu |
| 09:55.26 | krka | born 27 november 1984, lives on Karhögstorg 4 A 8tr |
| 09:55.38 | asmodai | Heh, reminds me of a few years ago, HP service guy, during an Alpha server maintenance, told me his next job was a PDP11 repair job. I was like: :| |
| 09:55.48 | asmodai | wasn't aware those still ran |
| 09:56.02 | krka | err sorry, 16 november |
| 09:56.05 | Shefki | Was he looking forward to that call? |
| 09:56.05 | Mikk | Well at least with PDP11 your primary tool isn't a plumbing wrench |
| 09:56.14 | Mikk | Try old IBM mainframes on for size :P |
| 09:56.15 | Wobin | Mikk, It's the plunger |
| 09:56.18 | Mikk | lmao |
| 09:56.24 | asmodai | Shefki: They still have components made apparently. |
| 09:56.30 | asmodai | Shefki: So can't be that bad. |
| 09:56.53 | asmodai | I mean, I know there's still old boxes in the field, but PDP11 just blew my mind a bit. |
| 09:56.59 | Shefki | According to Wikipedia they were still made into the 90's |
| 09:57.09 | Wobin | what was it used for, asmodai? |
| 09:57.17 | Wobin | or didn't anyone know =) |
| 09:57.27 | Mikk | Yeah there's PDP11s running in loads of facilities still |
| 09:57.37 | asmodai | IIRC he said it was some sort of farming location or the like. |
| 09:57.42 | Wobin | "It's been working for the last 20 years... but noone knows what it does =( We just know if it stops, bad things happen" |
| 09:57.42 | Mikk | Places that don't need upgrades |
| 09:57.44 | asmodai | Doing automation for sorting of goods or so |
| 09:57.46 | krka | apparently doesn't understand generics very well http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1393072/lista-canot-be-sent-to-method-listsuper-class-of-a-why-not |
| 09:57.54 | Shefki | http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/gbell/digital/timeline/16-bit.htm |
| 09:57.58 | Shefki | ^ Freaky. |
| 09:58.19 | Shefki | The URL is freaky too considering the page it shows. |
| 09:58.37 | asmodai | introduction of 2 new PDP 11 systems :| |
| 09:58.42 | asmodai | in 1990, ye gods |
| 09:58.51 | Subdino | http://58.6.118.18/ |
| 09:58.56 | asmodai | Group Disenchanting Option: In addition to rolling âNeedâ or âGreedâ on items, players now have the option to elect for an item to be disenchanted. âDisenchantâ works exactly like âGreedâ except if a player wins the âGreedâ roll, they will receive the disenchanted materials instead. Players who choose âNeedâ will always win the item and will always beat those that choose âGreedâ or âDisenchant.â |
| 09:59.00 | Subdino | c-64 webserver <3 |
| 09:59.03 | asmodai | ^ cool |
| 09:59.07 | Fisker | soup guys? |
| 09:59.18 | asmodai | staples Fisker's lips together |
| 09:59.26 | asmodai | We had enough trolling for one day. |
| 09:59.42 | Mikk | asmodai: whut?? |
| 09:59.43 | Fisker | my lips are seperated? |
| 09:59.49 | Wobin | Fisker's been superceded |
| 09:59.55 | Codayus_ | asmodai: Ah, I hadn't seen an explanation of how the disenchant options works. That's more orless how I'd hoped it'd work. |
| 10:00.18 | Mikk | And that works if you have an enchanter in the group? |
| 10:00.20 | asmodai | Codayus_: Yeah, pretty sweet. Works like we would see in typical runs. |
| 10:00.24 | asmodai | Mikk: I'd hope so D |
| 10:00.26 | asmodai | :D |
| 10:00.26 | Zhinjio | Fisker: love me. |
| 10:00.27 | Mikk | Or always? |
| 10:00.28 | Mikk | oO |
| 10:00.32 | Zhinjio | wait, was that my out loud voice? |
| 10:00.36 | Wobin | always would be... interesting |
| 10:00.39 | asmodai | slaps Zhinjio |
| 10:00.41 | asmodai | snap out of it man! |
| 10:00.51 | yoshimo | which settings are critical for fps apart from shadows? |
| 10:00.59 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Roofies in your beer? |
| 10:00.59 | asmodai | yoshimo: distance |
| 10:01.00 | Mikk | Fisker: someone is trying to steal your spotlight: "Corgrath". Go get him. |
| 10:01.01 | Codayus_ | Clearly intended for 5 mans. I occasionally see greed used as an erzats "need for my offspec" option, which the new disenchant feature is completelt incompatible with. |
| 10:01.12 | asmodai | Codayus_: mmm, true |
| 10:01.28 | Zhinjio | Torhal: I think maybe. But I only had one beer. Tall Kamikaze's after that. |
| 10:01.29 | Repo | 10boss-tactics: 03sorontur * r50 / (7 files in 1 directory): BossTactics: |
| 10:01.30 | asmodai | Especially for people building up a, say, resto or holy offsoec. |
| 10:01.31 | Repo | - final 2.15 release |
| 10:01.34 | Zhinjio | need to mix them by the pitcher. |
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| 10:01.42 | Codayus_ | But works well in a typical 5 man, I think. Hmm. |
| 10:01.47 | Wobin | yeah |
| 10:01.50 | Wobin | that'd cause issues |
| 10:01.52 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Damn it. I can only complete 25 more daily quests today. |
| 10:02.20 | Zhinjio | Torhal: Its not who you know... ... ... its who *I* know. |
| 10:02.24 | Codayus_ | I guess it would be nice if they had some sort of "mainspec" "offspec" "give me the item to vendor" "give me the shard" system. But...any loot system they code won't match up how some people want to use it. |
| 10:02.36 | Subdino | would anyone know of a friendlist "sync" addon ? like, I have many chars on a server where my significant other also has... so cross-adding each new char is quite a pain |
| 10:02.49 | Shefki | I think they should stay away from that type of stuff. |
| 10:02.57 | Shefki | I'm really not sure what to think about this new DE thing. |
| 10:03.00 | asmodai | In your guild, does your guild master initiate a lot of the raid runs and so? My old guild certainly did, but in my new guild the guild mistress is not around often and the only raiders are doing Ulduar and the likes. But for people not up to that level yet not having guild runs into the precursor dungeons is a bit meh. :( |
| 10:03.04 | Codayus_ | Hmmm |
| 10:03.07 | Shefki | But in general they shouldn't assign meaning to the rolls. |
| 10:03.11 | Subdino | I wrote something For Fun (tm), and before thinking about publishing it I would like to know if there is existing work on this |
| 10:03.14 | Torhal | Shefki: Speaking of "they should stay away from that type of stuff" did you see the gear-rating shit they added to the LFG tool? |
| 10:03.15 | Codayus_ | The more I think about it, the more torn I am, really. |
| 10:03.19 | Shefki | The need/greed system worked becuase players could assign the eanings. |
| 10:03.37 | Codayus_ | Subdino: Only friends list sync I know is part of Auld Lang Syne. |
| 10:03.41 | Shefki | Torhal: I saw the constants, I haven't done much on the PTR other than fix stuff. |
| 10:04.05 | Subdino | Codayus_: so maybe there is room for a stand alone addon like that ? |
| 10:04.12 | Codayus_ | Shefki: Thinking about it more, I think it'd work MUCH better if greed always beats the DE option. |
| 10:04.17 | Shefki | Someone rewrote AuldLangSyne. |
| 10:04.19 | Torhal | Apparently you can lock people out of even trying to join your run if they have below a certain gear rating |
| 10:04.23 | Shefki | Can't think of what he called it. |
| 10:04.29 | Shefki | And I haven't looked at it. |
| 10:04.35 | Shefki | I'e been keeping AuldLangSyne functioning. |
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| 10:04.41 | asmodai | Torhal: just selecting people on gear rating is meh |
| 10:04.48 | Torhal | asmodai: Definitely |
| 10:04.51 | Codayus_ | Shefki: Started with a U, popped up on curse, then got deleted for some reason? Utami, or something? |
| 10:05.01 | asmodai | If I look at people strutting around in gear level X items and their tactics I just have to weep. |
| 10:05.02 | Shefki | Codayus_: Sounds right. |
| 10:05.20 | Shefki | The guy bugged me about adding stuff to AuldLangSyne. |
| 10:05.26 | Shefki | But he never would tell me what. |
| 10:05.31 | Codayus_ | Subdino: I have no idea, honestly. I tried using the friend sync feature once, and it didn't really work. |
| 10:05.40 | krka | Corgrath is a cutie! http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v110/62/79/752329771/n752329771_226085_8562.jpg |
| 10:05.41 | Gnarfoz | ALS needs fixing before adding new stuff, imho |
| 10:05.42 | Shefki | And I'm not really interested in adding features. |
| 10:05.46 | Shefki | Bug fixes sure. |
| 10:05.48 | Shefki | Features meh. |
| 10:05.59 | Codayus_ | Shefki: The one I saw had a weird feature where you could add other guilds, and it would show them as well. I assume it kept it current via constant /who spamming. |
| 10:06.00 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: Yeah it needs some work. |
| 10:06.09 | Subdino | Codayus_: my code "Works For Me" currently... 400 liner script |
| 10:06.12 | nevcairiel | i stopped using ALS and replaced parts with small addons |
| 10:06.22 | Codayus_ | Apparently meant for alt guilds, or guild alliances. Weird idea. |
| 10:06.35 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I'm lazy... |
| 10:06.58 | Subdino | first working version was 200 linres, then I started using ace to make things configurable and added a bit of metaprogramation... |
| 10:08.25 | asmodai | Subdino: And then you started drinking? |
| 10:08.38 | Shefki | Codayus_: Hmm interesting. I really don't think I'd add a feature like that to ALS |
| 10:09.12 | Subdino | asmodai: and then I realised that I wasn't playing any more, asides from "/console reloadUI" |
| 10:09.25 | Codayus_ | It just seemed...kind of odd, and I imagine it caused issues. I was only looking at the addon because ALS was briefly broken after a recent patch (I forget which one). But Unami? Umami? Was broken too, so I couldn't say much about it. |
| 10:09.56 | asmodai | Subdino: That's the danger, yeah. :( |
| 10:10.06 | Subdino | Codayus_: would you want to give a try at my code ? A review would be very welcome too |
| 10:10.09 | asmodai | is actually levelling a shit ton of alts just to look at the game mechanics. XD |
| 10:10.23 | Subdino | also I must add a "dry run" option before releasing it :p |
| 10:10.31 | Subdino | enabled by default as a start |
| 10:10.48 | Codayus_ | Subdino: Sure. Link? :) |
| 10:11.15 | Subdino | Codayus_: ~/wow/SynFr... wait... ;) |
| 10:12.17 | Subdino | mmh, any site where I could upload a tarball ? or zip, whatever. |
| 10:12.31 | Subdino | there are just 2 files, maybe a pastebin would do |
| 10:14.32 | Shefki | Codayus_: Yeah it took me a bit to get ALS fixed after 3.2 becasue I was busy and it wasn't the top of my list. |
| 10:15.58 | Shefki | Wow a craftable item for resto druids that doesn't entirely suck. |
| 10:16.42 | *** join/#wowace orionshock (n=chatzill@ip24-56-62-243.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 10:16.52 | quiescens | but they always itemize resto druid stuff wrongly |
| 10:17.04 | Shefki | quiescens: I know. |
| 10:17.13 | Shefki | But the boots look decent this time. |
| 10:17.28 | quiescens | its like, a running theme that they inexplicably think druids use the same stats as the other healers |
| 10:17.29 | Shefki | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/49894/blessed-cenarion-boots/ |
| 10:17.54 | Subdino | Codayus_: http://paste.wowace.com/1329/ beware: no dry run yet |
| 10:17.58 | Shefki | Yellow sockets are a bit odd but given that we're probably going to have to gem some haste come 3.3 ohh well. |
| 10:18.18 | quiescens | off colour sockets are okay |
| 10:18.28 | Subdino | Codayus_: comment out lines 231 and 222 to hardcode a dryrun |
| 10:18.30 | Corgrath | krka: everything alright Jadestone Group AB? |
| 10:18.43 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 10:18.50 | orionshock | i find it funny when players decide that blizzard dosn't know how to itemise thing in their own game... :P |
| 10:18.56 | krka | i never claimed to be anonymous |
| 10:18.57 | krka | i dont even try |
| 10:18.58 | Shefki | 2 sockets with +7, I'd probably just ignore them and go red if I didn't need the yellow/ornage. |
| 10:19.08 | Codayus_ | What's it do, exactly? Store all your friends in saved variables, and try to add them later when you log onto other characters? |
| 10:19.14 | Shefki | orionshock: I realize they're itemizing it somewhat off on purpose. |
| 10:19.19 | krka | i even put my realname on my ircname... |
| 10:19.20 | Corgrath | krka: Good! |
| 10:19.22 | Codayus_ | (I could just glance at the code, of course.) |
| 10:19.36 | Shefki | orionshock: But my complaining has been that most of the crafted gear has been utterly useless for resto druids in wrath. |
| 10:19.37 | quiescens | druids have had it particularly bad in the past though orionshock |
| 10:19.46 | Shefki | While other people have best in slots from crafted gear. |
| 10:20.14 | quiescens | unless they really wanted druids to have to tank in pvp gear in bc |
| 10:20.21 | Subdino | Codayus_: I realise that 1/3rd of the code is metaprogramation... this is overkill for that addon, but I felt like trying |
| 10:20.21 | orionshock | Shefki: well, my 2c.. blizzard setup the gear to be played a certain way as there is only so much gear that drops for a given content level.. i've always played around that because i found no point in doing it otherwise |
| 10:20.28 | Codayus_ | Cloth healers get an advantage; two sets of crafted gear so Bliz has twice the chances to not screw it up. |
| 10:20.31 | Corgrath | krka: Sounded like you were flashing your "omg i know how to find people's details on the internet" skills. If you study at KTH, you should know there is always a bigger nerd than you. |
| 10:20.50 | Codayus_ | Merlin's Robe/Wizard Bracers are hot for disc priests. I'm pretty sure they intended them for mages or something though. :( |
| 10:20.52 | orionshock | quiescens: pre 1.12 don't count anymore :P |
| 10:21.12 | Wobin | But Corgrath, -nothing- is personal on the internet! |
| 10:21.16 | Shefki | orionshock: I deal with what they give me to use. Doesn't mean I'm always happy about it. |
| 10:21.20 | Corgrath | Wobin: true! |
| 10:21.28 | orionshock | Shefki: true |
| 10:21.30 | Shefki | orionshock: We've also been kinda hosed on boots a lot lately in general. |
| 10:21.37 | Shefki | I've found myself using cloth boots a lot. |
| 10:21.51 | Shefki | Given that our only boot option except to go cloth in ToC is crit... |
| 10:22.01 | Shefki | And with the talent changes in 3.3 we need to stack haste again. |
| 10:22.04 | orionshock | lol, i havn't played my druid sence release of wrath... i burned out on healing kara->BT back last xpack |
| 10:22.09 | sb|work | Corgrath: yea they are :p |
| 10:22.11 | Shefki | The haste/spi/sp boots crafted are nice. |
| 10:22.12 | quiescens | what's all the talk on lifebloom anyway |
| 10:22.23 | krka | 11:48:03 <Corgrath> Torhal: where is the link between this nick "corgrath" and.. the real world? :) |
| 10:22.25 | Wobin | quiescens, it's pretty terrible mana efficiency wise now =( |
| 10:22.29 | krka | just responding to that... |
| 10:22.30 | quiescens | I keep hearing people talking about a cooldown or something |
| 10:22.37 | Codayus_ | Shefki: Boots are hard to come by all over. All the good ones are rare heroic drops. |
| 10:22.56 | orionshock | quiescens: last time i checked, druids didn't know how to let lifebloom actually bloom and all this BS about how it's better to just keep it rolling never letting it bloom |
| 10:23.02 | Subdino | Codayus_: sorry missed your "What's it do, exactly?": it stores "change actions" to the friedn lists in global variables: eddition and removal, plus initial discovery (mark all existing friend for addition) |
| 10:23.03 | Shefki | quiescens: They're changing Gift of the Earth Mother back somewhat to impacting Lifeblooms cooldown so as to not hose PVP resto druids. |
| 10:23.18 | *** join/#wowace faCe| (n=face@p5489B180.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:23.21 | Subdino | Codayus_: so if you remove a friend on one char, it will get removed from other chars |
| 10:23.25 | Wobin | orionshock, wasn't it better to roll it before wotlk, when there wasn't a mana return? |
| 10:23.30 | Shefki | GCD cooldown that is. |
| 10:23.41 | quiescens | oh so lifebloom has like, more of a benefit than the other spells affected |
| 10:23.50 | Subdino | Codayus_: also there is a special "skip" state, which prevent a friend from being sync'ed |
| 10:23.54 | Shefki | Wobin: It was good until 3.1 |
| 10:23.56 | Subdino | (both for addition and removal) |
| 10:24.00 | quiescens | like 10% general haste, 20% for lifebloom sort of thing |
| 10:24.04 | orionshock | Wobin always best to let it bloom |
| 10:24.09 | Shefki | 3.1 they screwed lifebloom up but good. |
| 10:24.14 | Shefki | quiescens: Right. |
| 10:24.27 | Shefki | orionshock: It's not always best to let it bloom. |
| 10:24.28 | quiescens | I kept seeing people talk about reducing lifebloom's cooldown |
| 10:24.28 | Wobin | orionshock, but bloom at 3stacks or one? |
| 10:24.40 | quiescens | and I was like what cooldown |
| 10:24.41 | Shefki | orionshock: It's often best to let it bloom now though. |
| 10:24.59 | orionshock | bloom at 3 stacks |
| 10:25.03 | orionshock | wait, load again |
| 10:25.21 | Shefki | In general it's best to not even cast it unless you're tank healing anymore sadly. |
| 10:25.23 | quiescens | that's silly |
| 10:25.38 | quiescens | everyone knows healing doesn't quite work that way |
| 10:25.43 | orionshock | tbh, i cramed proper use of inter-healer-rotation down the thoats of my raid group till they started asking the GM to GMute me on vent ( when i owned the vent server) |
| 10:26.19 | quiescens | you cast what needs to be cast to make people !die |
| 10:26.36 | orionshock | now i'd always toss 1 LB at the dps when they took splash damage.. then again the pladins had their HUA and blasted then for 5k x4 |
| 10:26.50 | Shefki | orionshock: There's really nothing wrong with letting it roll now if you have the mana to do it. |
| 10:26.52 | Subdino | Codayus_: (or anyone willing to comment on my addon) please /msg me, I'm goig afk for 30 minutes and there is too much going on here :) |
| 10:27.01 | Shefki | orionshock: They nerfed the bloom anyway. |
| 10:27.15 | orionshock | Shefki: then again in SSC i had ~400 MP5 in/out FSR :) |
| 10:27.28 | Shefki | But then if you don't have the mana for it then again ou probably shouldn't be casting it at all. |
| 10:27.43 | quiescens | rejuvenation is being bumped up to 15s or whatever across the board isn't it? |
| 10:27.49 | Shefki | quiescens: Yes. |
| 10:28.05 | quiescens | I still think it should have been 15 from the start at least to last as long as priests' renew |
| 10:28.21 | orionshock | tbh, most healers have their head up their ass.. too much of this "spam over heal till you OOM" crap |
| 10:29.06 | quiescens | eh, both sides have their place |
| 10:29.09 | orionshock | sorry if one of you is all about the over heal.. |
| 10:29.45 | Codayus_ | As a disc priest...not really. :) |
| 10:29.47 | Shefki | orionshock: You really haven't played a druid lately have you? |
| 10:30.06 | orionshock | quiescens: true, but ... overheal shouldn't be your bread and butter move. (Im an old timer from the MC days where mana was precious) |
| 10:30.06 | quiescens | hypothetical efficiency is great and all until you're not actually healing anything |
| 10:30.14 | Shefki | Now that hot ticks that don't do any healing show as overheal. It's pretty obvious how much overhealing druids do. |
| 10:30.17 | Shefki | It's a lot. |
| 10:30.21 | Shefki | And there's nothing you can do about it. |
| 10:30.29 | Wobin | it's a hell of a lot |
| 10:30.30 | orionshock | Shefki: i leveled a priest recently and speced disc.. but resto healing as a druid... been almost a year now... |
| 10:30.33 | Shefki | You either put hots out and overheal or you do jack. |
| 10:30.35 | Wobin | and yeah, there's nothing that can be done |
| 10:31.11 | Codayus_ | *shrug* I've been healing since MC too, but times change. Overheal is bad because it represents wasted resources. If those resources aren't scarce, no problem. And some classes/specs have more mana than they can use, so... |
| 10:31.23 | quiescens | I agree |
| 10:31.34 | quiescens | overhealing isn't a problem unless someone is out of mana |
| 10:31.39 | Shefki | Right and blizzard has been all about the mana regen since late TBC |
| 10:32.04 | orionshock | wboin / Shefki true... but my main beef is with pallys. When i raided we had 3 pallys and 2 priests and me as the druid... and the other 5 healers would Blast players taking aoe damage for 5k.. they each would balst the dps'er with 5k heals when they took ~<2k dmg |
| 10:32.21 | Codayus_ | Many specs/classes are IN a position where it's meaningful to balance the risk of running OOM with the risk of letting the tank die. There's no risk of running OOM, so no justification for running an avoidable risk of letting the tank die. That's bad design on Bliz's part, arguably, but...what can you do? |
| 10:32.25 | quiescens | when they don't *have* a 2k heal |
| 10:32.36 | orionshock | when i saw this on recount, after all night of raiding and them doing it all night.. with 40% overheal on idiots i had to wonder.. |
| 10:32.45 | Codayus_ | Er, aren't in, even. Great typo. :( |
| 10:32.51 | Shefki | Codayus_: It's absolutely a bad design on Blizzard's part and they know it. |
| 10:33.08 | Shefki | They've been trying to reel it in since Sunwell. |
| 10:33.33 | Codayus_ | Shefki: I think it springs from them screwing up tanking stat scaling, but...yeah. |
| 10:33.35 | Shefki | orionshock: 40% lol |
| 10:33.43 | Shefki | I see 60-70% overheal regularly now |
| 10:34.13 | orionshock | i'd go for the blast heal on the tank, no problems... but seriously do they need to blast the dps taking ~2k AoE dmg with 15k worth of heals every time?? |
| 10:34.31 | Shefki | orionshock: Well frankly that's part of the problem with Paladins. |
| 10:34.51 | Shefki | They're pretty much the one class that hasn't gotten pulled out of a niche role. |
| 10:34.56 | Shefki | Healing wise. |
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| 10:35.06 | Codayus_ | orionshock: *shrug* Why not? Might help, can't hurt. The only limited resource is time; unless they're spending too much time using slow heals on DPS when they're assigned to tank heal...there's no issue there. |
| 10:35.10 | Shefki | At this point I think the other 3 can fill pretty much every role bar some special roles. |
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| 10:35.16 | quiescens | if you're talking about at the moment |
| 10:35.24 | orionshock | they could if the players realized that .. OMG there is a druid with hots healing the dam raid... so focus the spam on the tank |
| 10:35.37 | quiescens | the smallest heal these days is pretty much 5k or so |
| 10:35.49 | Shefki | quiescens: He means in TBC |
| 10:35.55 | Codayus_ | orionshock: If your real complain is people cross-healing poorly, and not sticking with your assignments...you'll get no disagreement from me. |
| 10:36.02 | orionshock | it's seriously not blizzard and class design, it's healers with their stuck mentality that they heal the raid.. alone... |
| 10:36.41 | Shefki | orionshock: I'd argue it's not the healers as much as it is a lot of people that value your contribution by the healing meter. |
| 10:36.47 | Shefki | Some of those people are healers. |
| 10:36.49 | Codayus_ | It's the classic mistake of poor healers. "I'm assigned to heal X, but Y is low, I'll heal Y...crap X is dead!" Then they whine on vent that the tanks need better gear. But it's got zip to do with *overheal*. |
| 10:36.50 | Shefki | But a lot of them aren't. |
| 10:37.03 | quiescens | codayus_: it cuts the other way too |
| 10:37.04 | orionshock | Codayus_: yea, my problems is the "CRI" dissorders in my guild mostly... but the other side of the coin is that the mainstream sites that feed the masses are spouting the same crap |
| 10:37.14 | Shefki | As long as your assignment doesn't die, I don't see the problem with cross healing. |
| 10:37.20 | quiescens | you have people blame "healers", if anyone dies |
| 10:37.22 | Codayus_ | quiescens: Yeah. Sticking with assignment too much is the classic mistake of intermediate healers, IMHO. :-p |
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| 10:37.53 | Shefki | The other problem I see is when the person doing the assignments doesn't know wtf they're doing. |
| 10:38.07 | Wobin | and suggest the pally raid heal etc |
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| 10:38.11 | Shefki | Right. |
| 10:38.21 | nevcairiel | I wanted to phase out the fixed assignments in my guild while i was still raid and heal lead |
| 10:38.27 | nevcairiel | but everyone else complained they need them |
| 10:38.29 | nevcairiel | <.< |
| 10:38.30 | orionshock | well. Codayus_ it's got a bit to do with over heal.. mostly because if 90% of healing on a non-esential dps that only took a minor amount of damage.. there is a problem indicator |
| 10:38.40 | Shefki | nevcairiel: We generally don't use fixed assignments except on hard modes. |
| 10:38.42 | quiescens | eh |
| 10:38.59 | Shefki | nevcairiel: And even then we only do them if it's necessary. |
| 10:38.59 | quiescens | it still doesn't count unless someone they were supposed to have been taking care of died |
| 10:39.12 | nevcairiel | even on hard-modes i wanted to only do "sector assignments" or whatever, but they wanted it on every freakign fight |
| 10:39.23 | nevcairiel | it drove me nuts |
| 10:39.29 | Shefki | Ohh our assignments are basically like this: |
| 10:39.35 | Shefki | Joe and Bob you're doing tanks. |
| 10:39.37 | Mikk | holy pallies @ tanks, fix it |
| 10:39.41 | Mikk | everyone else where needed |
| 10:39.43 | Mikk | tadaa |
| 10:39.49 | Shefki | Jimmy and Chris on the raid. |
| 10:39.50 | Mikk | oh and someone gets to be armorbuffbitch |
| 10:39.51 | Shefki | etc... |
| 10:40.02 | orionshock | quiescens: it does matter actually. It's called synchronising and raid wide tuning. |
| 10:40.08 | nevcairiel | i tried to simplify the assignemnts |
| 10:40.12 | Shefki | On some fights with raid wide aura damage we might break the raid healing up by group somewhat. |
| 10:40.15 | nevcairiel | but some healers couldnt work like that |
| 10:40.25 | Mikk | Shefki: yeah that's one of the "when needed" cases |
| 10:40.27 | orionshock | people that do thier job and manage to fumble some one elses job is irritating.. |
| 10:40.48 | quiescens | meh |
| 10:41.04 | Shefki | We don't have one person healing the Incinerate Flesh on Jaraxxus for example. |
| 10:41.07 | Codayus_ | It's worth assigning or otherwise organising at least SOME of the tank healers, or they'll do something silly like all heal the same tank. :-/ |
| 10:41.10 | quiescens | if they really have the time and resources to help out then they should |
| 10:41.24 | quiescens | rather |
| 10:41.29 | Shefki | We simply have one healer who's dedicated to the tank and all the other healers respond to the Incinerate person if they're in range. |
| 10:41.41 | Shefki | Takes about one cast and it's gone. |
| 10:41.47 | quiescens | if they have the time, resources and presence of thought to help out without losing themselves then they can help if they want |
| 10:42.04 | Shefki | Of course people thought I was nuts for writing PitBull4_Jaraxxus |
| 10:42.06 | Shefki | But that's why. |
| 10:42.17 | nevcairiel | I should really just only raid 10 mans with good people, the fail people that mix in the 25 groups always drive me nuts |
| 10:42.19 | Shefki | Let's me know when I can stop healing based on incoming heals and the timer. |
| 10:42.42 | Shefki | @project PitBull4_Jaraxxus |
| 10:42.45 | Repo | Shefki: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4_jaraxxus/. PitBull4_Jaraxxus. Game: WoW. Shefki (Manager/Author). Updated: 25 days ago. Tickets: 1/1 |
| 10:42.48 | Shefki | For those wondeirng. |
| 10:45.57 | Subdino | Codayus_: back. did you gave my addon a try ? |
| 10:47.26 | Subdino | I would also like to get feedback on addOverridableOption/addGetSet and optionAsSlashCommand ideas, from ace3 point of view (I believe they could be made generic with some - guided - work) |
| 10:48.06 | Codayus_ | Subdino: Heh, trying it now, got distracted. >.> |
| 10:49.48 | Subdino | Codayus_: quick wallkthrough: if it loads correctly, you should see "SyncFriends must be configured before it does anything", and configuration happens via either /sf or "interface" dialog (aceconfig is so convenient...) |
| 10:50.36 | Subdino | there you can enable global and per-char settings (...only 2 booleans: friend import and friend export switches) |
| 10:51.17 | Shefki | Speaking of special plugins for bosses. I'm working on one for Penetrating Cold healing cordination. |
| 10:51.22 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz 042.3.2 * r78 : Localization Fix |
| 10:51.38 | Shefki | I'm tired of having to reorgnaize my raid frames based on how someone else in the raid can manage to do it. |
| 10:51.57 | Shefki | Since I'm one of the few people that can actally figure out how to change my sorting. |
| 10:52.22 | Shefki | So I'm writing an indicator module for PB to do the counting for me based on whatever sort. |
| 10:52.39 | Subdino | once (at least) export is enabled, /sf sync should display the list of friends you have in the chat box. logging in with another char will import missing friends in his list |
| 10:53.20 | asmodai | Look like I haven't missed anything. :P |
| 10:54.10 | Codayus_ | Subdino: Feedback 1 - the slash command options are confusing. Was still trying to figure out how to turn it on until your comment made me look at the interface panel. :) Let's see, turned on both auto options globally, hit sync, relogged... Hey, it worked. |
| 10:54.36 | Codayus_ | Is it meant to add your own characters to the sync pool? Seems kind of odd... |
| 10:54.44 | Subdino | it is meant |
| 10:54.53 | Subdino | so that your chars are friend of each other |
| 10:54.57 | Subdino | ...for easy mailing |
| 10:55.00 | asmodai | Shit, Fisker drove Corgrath away? |
| 10:55.03 | Antiarc | loooooooooooooool. |
| 10:55.03 | Codayus_ | Ah, of course. |
| 10:55.03 | Subdino | at least, I use it as such |
| 10:55.10 | Antiarc | PVP as a prot paladin in tanking gear is hi-larious. |
| 10:55.13 | Antiarc | Utterly hilarious. |
| 10:55.24 | nevcairiel | you just stand there and have fun? |
| 10:55.32 | Antiarc | I actually hit hard too! |
| 10:55.42 | Antiarc | I'm friggin indestructable |
| 10:55.44 | asmodai | Antiarc: but they cannot kill you? ;) |
| 10:55.47 | nevcairiel | at least with a 2H ? |
| 10:55.51 | asmodai | rerolls |
| 10:55.51 | Antiarc | Nah, 1h + shield |
| 10:56.01 | Antiarc | Shield of the Righteous! It crits for like 7k |
| 10:56.04 | Antiarc | 6 sec cooldown. |
| 10:56.41 | asmodai | Funny how people call it rerolling, there's no stats rolls at all. |
| 10:56.42 | Codayus_ | Antiarc: It's funny to watch prot warriors in tanking gear too. Haven't had the chance to try it, but it LOOKS fun. You take no damage, can't really be rooted or snared, and you can do pretty good damage. |
| 10:56.56 | asmodai | Gygax has its influences everywhere! |
| 10:57.03 | Subdino | Codayus_: about slash commands, I still don't know how to organise them properly so it would display decently in the config panel *and* be usable as shasl commands |
| 10:57.09 | Antiarc | I killed a DK and warlock by myself |
| 10:57.22 | Antiarc | Between Ardent Defender, Divine Protection, and Lay on Hands, I'm downright unkillable. |
| 10:57.34 | Codayus_ | Plus, if there's anything cooler than watching a rogue kill himself via damage shield while the warrior wanders across WSG midfield with a flag...I haven't seen it. |
| 10:57.39 | Antiarc | heh |
| 10:58.08 | asmodai | Codayus_: Hahaha, seriously? :) |
| 10:58.31 | pentium166 | prot warriors are horrible to fight against as a healer |
| 10:58.33 | Codayus_ | Well, the warrior in question was getting some heals from me, so that's kind of cheating. Prot pally would work better. |
| 10:58.44 | Codayus_ | But yes, it' |
| 10:58.47 | asmodai | Still, it's freaking funny. |
| 10:59.02 | nevcairiel | tanks vs healers is terribly funny |
| 10:59.09 | nevcairiel | neither does enough damage to kill the other |
| 10:59.16 | Codayus_ | s pretty funny to watch. |
| 10:59.21 | Wobin | =( |
| 10:59.27 | asmodai | I hate rogues still. If you don't have any PvP spec stuff, they can effectively keep you stunned perpetually. :( |
| 10:59.32 | nevcairiel | especially tanks with somewhat good healing |
| 10:59.37 | nevcairiel | like blood DKs or paladings |
| 11:00.42 | asmodai | nevcairiel: btw, friend of mine saw all 5 episodes, says it's definitely worth looking. |
| 11:00.57 | Codayus_ | Back at 70 I was doing some VERY casual arenaing with a prot warrior who was VERY well geared. And our rating sucked, so... One match he was the last one up, with 3 dead on the enemy team. They couldn't remotely stop him, but while he soloed the rogue, the healer ran off and started rezzing people. |
| 11:00.57 | nevcairiel | i downloaded the first two some time ago already |
| 11:01.02 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: saw what? |
| 11:01.25 | nevcairiel | but i've barely time to watch the series i already see :/ |
| 11:01.26 | asmodai | flashforward |
| 11:01.29 | Codayus_ | Rezzing people in arenas is CHEATING. :( |
| 11:01.31 | Subdino | Codayus_: do you think my addon is worth registering it properly on wowace ? |
| 11:01.43 | Antiarc | If you let someone get a rez off in the arena, you deserve it :P |
| 11:01.47 | Subdino | wants a revision control system |
| 11:01.50 | nevcairiel | I wanted to get soem UI coding in this weekend |
| 11:02.03 | Antiarc | Subdino: Learn git! You can have all your revision control locally. |
| 11:02.07 | Codayus_ | Subdino: Yes. It works as advertised, and for whatever reason, I couldn't get AuldLangSyne to work at that. ...make sure to include instructions, the slash commands confuse me. :( |
| 11:02.12 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: ah, I got myself the available episodes of that over the last 2 days, too, haven't watched yet |
| 11:02.16 | orionshock | Subdino: no, svn is the way to go |
| 11:02.22 | Wobin | Hg! |
| 11:02.23 | Codayus_ | ! |
| 11:02.25 | Codayus_ | Hg! |
| 11:02.27 | nevcairiel | svn is for people that live in the past |
| 11:02.32 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 11:02.32 | Codayus_ | Hg is the future! |
| 11:02.32 | nevcairiel | use a distributed system |
| 11:02.40 | Subdino | Antiarc: technically, I can too with svn... I already use git a bit, but I mess it up more often than not |
| 11:02.46 | nevcairiel | Git is the future, hg is slowly copying Gits feature set :P |
| 11:02.54 | orionshock | nevcairiel: there is nothing about how wowace/CF use git that is distributed in any way |
| 11:02.55 | Antiarc | git is marvelous. |
| 11:02.58 | Wobin | Git isn't even in the timeline =P |
| 11:03.07 | Subdino | Codayus_: I think I'll rework the command layout |
| 11:03.11 | Gnarfoz | git is so powerful that it starts to be confusing |
| 11:03.16 | Wobin | There is no one person that understands it fully =P |
| 11:03.17 | Antiarc | orionshock: But you can continue to commit locally, or have people pull from your local repo for testing, etc |
| 11:03.18 | Subdino | gah |
| 11:03.20 | nevcairiel | orionshock: its not about how wowace uses it, its how you use it |
| 11:03.36 | Subdino | someone said that there was enough trolling for the day, I think :p |
| 11:03.50 | nevcairiel | Wobin: fully, probably not, but who does that with svn either, there are just things you don't want to know :P |
| 11:03.51 | orionshock | Antiarc: how can people pull from you local repo on your computer with out 1) running a server youself or 2) pushing it to the hosting server? |
| 11:03.57 | nevcairiel | i claim to know enough to work on big projects with it |
| 11:03.57 | Subdino | and also, cvs Rul3z |
| 11:04.03 | Subdino | hides and hangs himself |
| 11:04.12 | Codayus_ | It's all about Alienbrain. Really. |
| 11:04.40 | nevcairiel | that reminds me, i wanted to move my git hosting to a new server |
| 11:04.59 | Gnarfoz | orionshock: that's what gets me stumped some times... is git supposed to be self-hosting? because I know I didn't set up any hosting |
| 11:05.09 | Wobin | nevcairiel, it's like knowing the full reality of cthuhlu |
| 11:05.29 | Antiarc | orionshock: If you run sshd you can share your git repos |
| 11:05.33 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: well self-hosting through ssh access, thats how its setup usually |
| 11:05.34 | Antiarc | Or just run the git daemon, which is trivial |
| 11:05.57 | Gnarfoz | sshd on windows? hm |
| 11:06.02 | Subdino | btw, any idea which category my addon belongs to ? "Chat & communication" seems the closest, but it's not really that |
| 11:06.06 | nevcairiel | probably not :P |
| 11:06.10 | Gnarfoz | and... git daemon I haven't seen, yet |
| 11:06.15 | orionshock | i can see it working if git runs it's only server when you install the client.. but the point behind distributed is usually to have many running the repo with the "Hosting Server" (being wowace here) simply keeping the end distribution point.. |
| 11:06.21 | nevcairiel | but there are loads of free git hosting pages you can push to, if you want to share |
| 11:06.33 | Antiarc | Lemme find the git server page. |
| 11:06.34 | Gnarfoz | going from svn hosted on wowace to git hosting on wowace/github just makes it feel... centralized |
| 11:06.56 | nevcairiel | well you'll always have one centralized point that distributes it to users |
| 11:06.57 | Antiarc | orionshock: Err, the point of being distributed is that there is no master central repo, or at least doesn't have to be |
| 11:07.09 | orionshock | Gnarfoz: sorry man, we already looked at p2p for addon hosting... it didn't work |
| 11:07.12 | nevcairiel | but you don't have to |
| 11:07.14 | Gnarfoz | orionshock: :D |
| 11:07.19 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:07.27 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: sg:u |
| 11:07.33 | *** join/#wowace p3lim (n=p3lim@89-151-222.200.3p.ntebredband.no) |
| 11:07.43 | nevcairiel | 10minutes left on my sg:u download |
| 11:07.45 | nevcairiel | QQ |
| 11:07.57 | Gnarfoz | Stargate.Universe.S01E05.Light.720p.WEB-DL.DD5.1.h.264-TjHD <3 |
| 11:08.00 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Just 10 minutes |
| 11:08.03 | Antiarc | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-daemon.html |
| 11:08.04 | Antiarc | There you go |
| 11:08.06 | Antiarc | The git daemon |
| 11:08.13 | orionshock | Antiarc: i'd have to agree with that for projects with a bajilion authors... but seriously the only really usefulness of git in wow-addon context is the offline comit :) |
| 11:08.40 | Antiarc | orionshock: Well, that and you have the whole repo including commit history there, too |
| 11:08.44 | Antiarc | So you can replicate or move it easily |
| 11:08.49 | Gnarfoz | re-encoded itunes downloads ftw, the quality is amazing. it's tons better than your regular "hdtv" rips that are captured off network channels |
| 11:08.50 | nevcairiel | easier/faster branching |
| 11:08.50 | Antiarc | But yeah, offline commit is a biggie |
| 11:08.53 | orionshock | meh.. |
| 11:08.58 | Antiarc | branching in git is just downright glorious |
| 11:09.06 | Antiarc | I literally have no reason to use SVN after moving to git. |
| 11:09.13 | Antiarc | There isn't a single thing that svn does better, IMO |
| 11:09.31 | Antiarc | And I was a very big fan of SVN! |
| 11:09.31 | orionshock | name 5 addons that have serious branches that do get merged back in to the mainline. |
| 11:09.57 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: the web-dl packs always appear after i'm nearly done with my 720p-rip download already =( |
| 11:10.01 | Gnarfoz | I think I didn't understand branching correctly, I used it yesterday to fix some things in haste's Fane addon, but unlike other people's commit logs I know, I didn't have a "merge branch master from blahblah" thing anywhere in there |
| 11:10.21 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: you don't get those messages if you do a straight fast-forward merge |
| 11:10.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: true enough, I try this new "patience" thingy |
| 11:10.25 | orionshock | well aside from the dirt flinging of svn vs git... svn is simpler for a simple mind and simple author (like me :) ) |
| 11:10.31 | nevcairiel | ie no changes in the master while you work on the branch |
| 11:10.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I thought as much, because that's what it looked like in gitk |
| 11:11.17 | Antiarc | orionshock: I use branches very aggressively when trying out new features, but I just merge back into mainline before pushing |
| 11:11.19 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I had expected the branch to... actually branch off the main tree, but I guess that would have only been represented like that if the main tree had gotten any changes in the mean time |
| 11:11.25 | Antiarc | I also use branching extremely often in my non-WoW work |
| 11:11.28 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: yea |
| 11:11.51 | orionshock | nevcairiel: if i may ask, where are you getting your SGU episodes from? |
| 11:12.00 | nevcairiel | locally i branch like hell, by the time i push it, the branches are merged already, so noone notices |
| 11:12.20 | Antiarc | ^ |
| 11:12.23 | Gnarfoz | hm, well |
| 11:12.26 | nevcairiel | orionshock: priv torrent tracker |
| 11:12.26 | Subdino | registered his first addon on wowace <3 |
| 11:12.40 | quiescens | doomed |
| 11:12.43 | nevcairiel | bitmetv ftw |
| 11:12.43 | quiescens | run awai |
| 11:12.44 | Subdino | did his first typo on project description on wowace |
| 11:12.51 | Subdino | there should be an achievenment for that... |
| 11:12.59 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: so that only happens if I *push* in the mean time, not when I just commit in the mean time? |
| 11:13.01 | quiescens | don't let them get you dino |
| 11:13.04 | Gnarfoz | hdbits <3 |
| 11:13.59 | Antiarc | sg:u episodes are on hulu |
| 11:14.05 | Antiarc | Though I guess that's not useful outside of the US |
| 11:14.13 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: one of those two will get a merge done, whoever pushes last |
| 11:14.17 | orionshock | i get mine via rss from eztv.it |
| 11:14.29 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: grr |
| 11:14.34 | Antiarc | Gnarfoz: ? |
| 11:14.56 | Gnarfoz | nothing, just annoyed that these days there's too many sites that only work for USians |
| 11:15.18 | Gnarfoz | because of stupid restrictions by the copyright holders |
| 11:16.13 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: I'd like to see a quality comparison to what's on "hulu" and these re-encoded itunes DLs and what's shown on HD network tv (the last one quite probably loses that comparison) |
| 11:16.56 | Zhinjio | Antiarc: just saw sexycooldowns for the first time today. |
| 11:17.02 | Zhinjio | Antiarc: they're ... sexy. |
| 11:17.03 | orionshock | Gnarfoz: with out a plasma screen or equal with actual HD inputs properly setup.. there really isn't any difference |
| 11:17.05 | Gnarfoz | eztv seems down right now, btw, but the speeds from the private torrent tracker I use are insane anyway =O |
| 11:17.06 | Antiarc | Network HD TV is usually really good-looking, at least here |
| 11:17.08 | Antiarc | Zhinjio: Thanks :D |
| 11:17.30 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: you wanna bet on that? *goes looking for links* |
| 11:17.36 | Zhinjio | my only complaint is for things like blessings and stuff that love you long time. But its really not designed for that, obviously |
| 11:18.06 | nevcairiel | I would actually pay for HD-downloadable-movies or tv-series |
| 11:18.11 | nevcairiel | if someone would offer that to me. |
| 11:18.16 | nevcairiel | But no, they don't . |
| 11:18.17 | Antiarc | Gnarfoz: I know hulu isn't as good as the 1080i I get OTA |
| 11:18.23 | Gnarfoz | orionshock: I hear that argument far too often, and the only thing I can say to that is... "are you blind?" :P 1280x720 on a 1680x1050 22" screen I can clearly see a difference |
| 11:18.29 | Antiarc | And I have a downloaded LOST episode I'm watching right now that is good, but not amazing |
| 11:18.50 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Ammo * r6644 / (8 files in 5 directories): |
| 11:18.52 | Repo | - add profile options and make the anchors listen to profile changes where needed. |
| 11:18.53 | Repo | - make the proximity window listen to the reset positions message as well |
| 11:18.54 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: true story. sevenload or someone wanted to start distributing US series, though, I read? |
| 11:18.55 | orionshock | Gnarfoz: that's because your being picky and OCD about frame quality that ... actually dosn't matter :P |
| 11:19.23 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: not sure |
| 11:19.42 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i wish iTunes would at least let you download english eps or movies, but no, only german shit |
| 11:19.44 | Gnarfoz | orionshock: point is: they call it HD when in reality, they re-compress it at stupidly low bitrates, leading to artifacting, blocking and loss of detail |
| 11:19.50 | orionshock | Gnarfoz: and while eztv.it is down, their torrents and rss feeds arn't :) i have it setup in Azures to grab new episodes automagically |
| 11:20.02 | Subdino | is puzzled by the "Is open ?" repository option |
| 11:20.03 | Gnarfoz | yeah, a setup like that is neat |
| 11:20.17 | Antiarc | Subdino: That means that other people can commit to it |
| 11:20.18 | Subdino | it allows full rw access to anyone ? |
| 11:20.20 | orionshock | Subdino: Is Open means anyone can commit to the repo |
| 11:20.27 | Antiarc | It's traditional to leave a repo open, unless you have a reason to close it |
| 11:20.28 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.43 | Subdino | "anyone" as in "anyone", or just "anyone with a wowace account" ? |
| 11:20.52 | Subdino | ok |
| 11:20.53 | orionshock | only project authors can make tags, |
| 11:20.59 | orionshock | & anyone with a wowace account |
| 11:21.17 | Subdino | if its usualy left open, no problem |
| 11:21.39 | orionshock | Subdino: open repo & properly setup locale files == free translations ;) |
| 11:21.45 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/16104/ |
| 11:21.45 | Subdino | hehe |
| 11:21.55 | nevcairiel | orionshock: using translation system == no breaking! |
| 11:22.02 | Gnarfoz | goes to watch sg:u |
| 11:22.19 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i'm actually downloading the itunes rip now, watching sanctuary first now <.< |
| 11:23.52 | orionshock | pift... i just use the XviD rips.. looks just fine on my 50" plasma tv :) |
| 11:24.04 | nevcairiel | ew xvids |
| 11:24.10 | Gnarfoz | that plasma has... which resolution? |
| 11:24.19 | nevcairiel | i get the high-quality rips for better sound in them, too |
| 11:24.20 | Gnarfoz | 1366x768? ^^ |
| 11:24.25 | nevcairiel | xvids usually come with stereo 2.0 |
| 11:24.33 | Gnarfoz | 5.1 <3 |
| 11:24.41 | orionshock | tbh, i have no clue Gnarfoz |
| 11:24.50 | orionshock | i have quite the half-ass system at home here |
| 11:24.51 | Subdino | mmh, "svn: Authorization failed"... I guess the project must be approved before I can do anything on the repos |
| 11:25.03 | nevcairiel | Subdino: did you set your svn password? |
| 11:25.04 | nevcairiel | its a seperate password |
| 11:25.05 | stolenlegacy_ | Subdino: nope |
| 11:25.07 | [Ammo] | takes a few minutes |
| 11:25.09 | orionshock | Subdino: mens you didn't login properly |
| 11:25.09 | [Ammo] | usually |
| 11:25.12 | [Ammo] | for the pass to be accepted |
| 11:25.19 | stolenlegacy | Subdino: you just need to set your repo password |
| 11:25.23 | stolenlegacy | it's different from the normal pw |
| 11:25.24 | Gnarfoz | (the "the PQ is good enough for me" argument is really void imho. if I used my imagination to make up for the lack of image quality... I could just as well read a book and let my imagination do the entire visualization :P) |
| 11:25.26 | Subdino | I set my id_dsa.pub key in the repos access page |
| 11:25.40 | Subdino | is the password mandatory ? |
| 11:25.42 | Antiarc | hahahahah, holy crap |
| 11:25.46 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhQ4dE_RGnQ |
| 11:25.50 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i like reading, plus i like HQ movies :P |
| 11:25.56 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 11:26.21 | Gnarfoz | but I like them being different things. :P |
| 11:27.02 | Subdino | Gnarfoz: http://xkcd.com/598/ |
| 11:27.02 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:27.02 | Gnarfoz | Subdino: true.da |
| 11:27.02 | Gnarfoz | t |
| 11:27.02 | nevcairiel | heh a classic |
| 11:27.30 | Zhinjio | For better or worse, I know Jason Scott personally. |
| 11:27.44 | Zhinjio | He's done a few talks on "The Art of Low Bandwidth Porn" |
| 11:27.50 | Subdino | thinks that there is virtualy no such thing as "non-classic xkcd" |
| 11:27.52 | Zhinjio | "Atomic Porn" I think the talk was named. |
| 11:28.13 | nevcairiel | speaking modems, i need faster internetz <.< |
| 11:28.34 | *** join/#wowace Corgrath (n=isntanfu@253-232-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) |
| 11:28.41 | orionshock | Antiarc: WTF man... |
| 11:29.14 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: you're not the only one |
| 11:29.26 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: stuck on 3m/192k =[ |
| 11:29.31 | nevcairiel | same :( |
| 11:29.36 | orionshock | Antiarc: & i thought I had a eclectic collection of random shit... |
| 11:29.37 | Gnarfoz | dsl6r? |
| 11:29.40 | Subdino | [Ammo]: right, now the pubkey worked... I guess I was too fast for the cron job |
| 11:29.51 | [Ammo] | yup |
| 11:29.57 | nevcairiel | yeah we pay for t-online 6mbit dsl, but they can only give us 3 here <.< |
| 11:30.01 | Antiarc | orionshock: That's friggin' awesome, isn't it? |
| 11:30.07 | Gnarfoz | whee, yeah, DSL6R, exactly like me |
| 11:30.09 | orionshock | indeed |
| 11:30.26 | Gnarfoz | I thought you were from Hamburg, doesn't ex-hansenet cover your area or something? |
| 11:30.59 | nevcairiel | i don't live in hamburg, about 40km out, and about 10km to the hansenet/alice net border |
| 11:31.14 | Gnarfoz | meh, I see |
| 11:31.33 | nevcairiel | we dont get anything here internet wise, no kabel deutschland, no nothing :P |
| 11:31.34 | Gnarfoz | I'm in a pilot project DSL area, we've had T-DSL since 1999 |
| 11:31.44 | nevcairiel | just t-online |
| 11:31.56 | Gnarfoz | but nowadays we're stuck with this crappy 3m/192k |
| 11:31.59 | Corgrath | wowace is owned by curse right? |
| 11:32.00 | Codayus_ | Hm, I'm on DSL, but it's about...six times faster than that. Oo |
| 11:32.04 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: yup |
| 11:32.34 | Codayus_ | That's pretty bad for broadband. :-/ |
| 11:32.36 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i do plan to move into the city next year though, picking an appartment by available internet :P |
| 11:32.51 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that's one of the primary criteria for me, too. |
| 11:32.55 | Corgrath | It's done. I have sent an email to wowmatrix asking to access their addons :) |
| 11:33.07 | Antiarc | You realize that they can't grant you access, right? |
| 11:33.11 | Antiarc | That's up to the authors. |
| 11:33.11 | nevcairiel | Codayus_: we're not really into high-bandwidth broadband here, yet. its coming in the big cities, though. |
| 11:33.33 | Corgrath | Antiarc, it depends. I am a partner with wowmatrix, I could. |
| 11:33.42 | Antiarc | Uhhhh. |
| 11:33.45 | Corgrath | if i am* |
| 11:33.54 | Antiarc | Authors don't grant you distribution rights, you can't do jack. |
| 11:34.05 | Codayus_ | ^ This |
| 11:34.08 | nevcairiel | doesnt wowmatrix only have the GPL addons anyway? |
| 11:34.13 | Antiarc | Yes, they do. |
| 11:34.29 | nevcairiel | well good luck with that small subset :P |
| 11:34.30 | Gnarfoz | without express distribution rights given to them, that's all they can offer ^^ |
| 11:34.32 | Corgrath | Antiarc: what's your point? |
| 11:34.44 | Antiarc | My point is that you think that Curse can grant you rights that they can't. |
| 11:34.55 | Corgrath | Antiarc: i said wowmatrix |
| 11:35.02 | Antiarc | The authors have to grant you the right to distribute their addons, unless they have licensed them permissively. |
| 11:35.16 | Antiarc | Okay, so you think wowmatrix can grant you that access any more than Curse can? |
| 11:35.32 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: theres like one or two authors that allow their stuff to be hosted on wowmatrix, one of those has been banned from both curse and wowi |
| 11:35.35 | Corgrath | Antiarc: besides, if they have uploaded on wowmatrix and I "work" for wowmatrix, yea, i think i could. |
| 11:35.36 | nevcairiel | well considering wowmatrix only has GPL addons, he can already do whatever with them :P |
| 11:35.37 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): Initial import. |
| 11:35.47 | *** join/#wowace Adys_ (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 11:36.03 | nevcairiel | redistribution is allowed in the GPL |
| 11:36.03 | Codayus_ | Corgrath: Same deal. Wowmatrix can't grant you permission to what you want. All you could get from them is the GPL addons they can't NOT give you accecc to, but why ask wowmatrix for them? |
| 11:36.04 | Antiarc | Well, have fun with that. Don't expect to have any significant number of addons to distribute. |
| 11:36.24 | nevcairiel | Most authors don't even think about licenses |
| 11:36.27 | nevcairiel | which makes it ARR |
| 11:36.27 | Corgrath | Codayus_: but if i am withing wowmatrix, i dont need permission. |
| 11:36.32 | Antiarc | It requires a permissively licensed addon though, and there are a lot fewer of those after the wowmatrix blowup. |
| 11:36.33 | Arrowmaster | yes you do |
| 11:36.51 | Zhinjio | are we really going to do this all over again now in this channel? |
| 11:36.54 | Zhinjio | o.O |
| 11:36.55 | Antiarc | So it seems. |
| 11:36.59 | Antiarc | Doooo the time warp! |
| 11:37.08 | Zhinjio | does a jump to the right. |
| 11:37.08 | Arrowmaster | wowmatrix doesnt have any legal jargon page saying that you give permission to any of their associates |
| 11:37.12 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: If you give wowmatrix permission, does not that include developers are wowmatrix or wowmatrix solutions? |
| 11:37.14 | Wobin | What part of "Any licence that requires the authors permission to distribute means that you have to ask the authors permission to distribute" don't you get? |
| 11:37.27 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: no it only includes 'wowmatrix' |
| 11:37.42 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: thats a blufy defintion. What is wowmatrix? |
| 11:37.49 | Corgrath | blury |
| 11:37.56 | Wobin | All permissions like that are specific |
| 11:38.00 | Zhinjio | how about blurry. |
| 11:38.01 | nevcairiel | the point is mood, since 99% of wowmatrix addon set are already licensed to allow anyone to redistribute them |
| 11:38.03 | Codayus_ | Corgrath: Let's assume you were working for wowmatrix, and thus really did have the same rights they do to redistribute the files. This doesn't actually put you any further ahead than you are NOW. You can already redistribute the GPL addons without asking. |
| 11:38.04 | Arrowmaster | its exactly what you give permission to at the time you give permission |
| 11:38.10 | quiescens | what are you people even talking about |
| 11:38.11 | asmodai | Oh gods. No. Not again. |
| 11:38.13 | asmodai | runs |
| 11:38.19 | quiescens | I can't seem to find how this all started |
| 11:38.21 | Corgrath | Codayus_: true. |
| 11:38.22 | quiescens | o.o |
| 11:38.27 | quiescens | trips asmodai |
| 11:38.38 | Corgrath | Codayus_: however, I do get "access" to their database. |
| 11:38.40 | Codayus_ | Let's discuss something more relevant to my interests. |
| 11:38.44 | Wobin | Pie |
| 11:38.47 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: they dont have a 'database' |
| 11:38.49 | Codayus_ | What should I do with a full bank tab of Gordok Ogre suits? |
| 11:38.53 | *** join/#wowace pschriner (n=Miranda@xdsl-81-173-227-70.netcologne.de) |
| 11:38.57 | Wobin | Ogre Party! |
| 11:38.58 | nevcairiel | well do whatever you want, just leave us and our addons out of it |
| 11:38.59 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: they dont? |
| 11:38.59 | Gnarfoz | wasn't their database a set of quickcards? |
| 11:39.00 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 11:39.01 | Codayus_ | ...what *CAN* I do with a full bank tab of Gordok Ogre suits? |
| 11:39.02 | quiescens | codayus: turn into an ogre |
| 11:39.05 | nevcairiel | and lets stop the stupid discussion now |
| 11:39.12 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: they have a giant if then else code block |
| 11:39.25 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, sad, but trye |
| 11:39.26 | Wobin | true |
| 11:39.30 | Antiarc | You realize that Wowmatrix distributes super old versions of stuff |
| 11:39.31 | Codayus_ | The damn things are unique. And annoying. And I have over a hundred of them. |
| 11:39.31 | *** join/#wowace DarkerAudit (n=Brian@pool-74-99-0-172.clrkwv.east.verizon.net) |
| 11:39.34 | Bruners | nevcairiel: what discussion ? |
| 11:39.37 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: was that english? |
| 11:39.41 | Antiarc | Like Chinchilla. They distribute version 1.3.3. The latest version is 2.0.8. |
| 11:39.46 | nevcairiel | well whatever this is, stop it :P |
| 11:39.55 | quiescens | bruners: I didn't quite catch what was happening either |
| 11:39.56 | quiescens | lol |
| 11:39.58 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: yes |
| 11:40.07 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: "they have a giant if then else code block" <-- what does that mean |
| 11:40.16 | Codayus_ | Would it KILL Bliz to make them non-unique? Or - dare I dream - stackable? :( |
| 11:40.21 | Wobin | They have a giant if, then, else block that lists every single addon |
| 11:40.22 | Antiarc | And a lot of the really popular stuff is explicitly not on wowmatrix because the authors have disallowed it, including myself. |
| 11:40.23 | Zhinjio | they have a giant "if...then...else" code block |
| 11:40.24 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: it means their client is hard coded for every addon |
| 11:40.34 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: ouch! |
| 11:40.35 | nevcairiel | Codayus_: wouldn't kill them, but they probably never cared enough |
| 11:40.42 | Gnarfoz | Corgrath: it means you don't know anything about either programming *or* licensing, apparently. |
| 11:40.52 | Antiarc | It's really pretty hilarious how bad the wowmatrix client is |
| 11:40.54 | Antiarc | And even worse |
| 11:40.58 | quiescens | what exactly are people trying to do that everyone is arguing against? |
| 11:41.01 | quiescens | is lost. |
| 11:41.03 | Antiarc | It rewrites addons and your config files silently and without permission |
| 11:41.05 | Codayus_ | I never cared until I ended up with a hundred of them. Bleh. If it wasn't for guild banks being able to store multiple unique items, I'd be really annoyed. |
| 11:41.06 | Bruners | quiescens: same |
| 11:41.10 | Wobin | quiescens, restart Wowmatrix |
| 11:41.12 | Corgrath | Gnarfoz: Perhaps. |
| 11:41.13 | quiescens | bruners: high five! |
| 11:41.17 | Antiarc | It's so bad, so terrible, it's laughable |
| 11:41.24 | Zhinjio | I refer back to my original statement about your mom, Fisker and having all my alternate personalities send in cease and desist letters. |
| 11:41.30 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: googling my name still results in wow forum posts of me posting wowmatrix code near the top of the results because of how many people have linked to those posts |
| 11:41.36 | Zhinjio | and thus, I retire. |
| 11:41.39 | Bruners | where is Fisker anyway |
| 11:41.45 | asmodai | stops Zhinjio from retiring. |
| 11:41.50 | asmodai | Bruners: Don't jinx it! |
| 11:41.57 | Codayus_ | Bruners: He's away ordering you milk. |
| 11:42.05 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: You posted wowmatrix code on a forum? You work at/with wowmatrix? |
| 11:42.06 | asmodai | a thousand liters, was it? |
| 11:42.12 | Codayus_ | So I am told. |
| 11:42.15 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: no i dont |
| 11:42.22 | Antiarc | Corgrath: wowmatrix is written in some obscure language that includes the code in the compiled binary. |
| 11:42.23 | asmodai | Why a thousand? I never understood that part. |
| 11:42.26 | Antiarc | It's right there in the client. |
| 11:42.31 | Antiarc | I forget what language it is. |
| 11:42.35 | Arrowmaster | im probably on the top of their hit list to hire an assassin to kill |
| 11:42.39 | Wobin | Hypercard |
| 11:42.42 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: some QuickCards descendant |
| 11:42.42 | asmodai | Antiarc: vbscript? :D |
| 11:42.46 | nevcairiel | was something very weird i've never heard of before |
| 11:42.53 | nevcairiel | looked like VB code |
| 11:42.54 | Gnarfoz | yeah, Hypercard, right |
| 11:42.54 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 11:42.54 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 11:42.57 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: oh, you rev. eng. it and posted the code? o.O |
| 11:43.07 | asmodai | Oh god, Hypercard still exists? |
| 11:43.09 | Antiarc | It's hardly reverse engineering. |
| 11:43.11 | nevcairiel | copy/pasting the code isnt reverse enginnering |
| 11:43.13 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: kinda, wasnt really any work |
| 11:43.14 | Gnarfoz | no reverse engineering necessary. |
| 11:43.18 | Wobin | It was reading directly from memory |
| 11:43.21 | Gnarfoz | and... who cares if he RE'd it |
| 11:43.22 | Antiarc | He just copy/pasted the code out of the client. |
| 11:43.25 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: for what purpose? |
| 11:43.31 | Wobin | To prove a point |
| 11:43.35 | Corgrath | which was? |
| 11:43.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 11:43.36 | asmodai | RE is still allowed in Europe for all I know. |
| 11:43.39 | Gnarfoz | to prove Wowmatrix was doing stuff they claimed they didn't. |
| 11:43.41 | Wobin | That WM was modifying addons without author permission |
| 11:43.55 | Corgrath | modifying? |
| 11:43.58 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 11:43.59 | Subdino | asmodai: for interoperability purposes, yes (aslo afaikà |
| 11:44.02 | Gnarfoz | how about you read up on the whole story before boring us all with it, again? |
| 11:44.02 | Wobin | physically changing the code |
| 11:44.03 | Antiarc | It modifies addons when it installs them |
| 11:44.12 | Antiarc | We've been through this as a community months ago. |
| 11:44.13 | asmodai | Subdino: *nod* |
| 11:44.17 | Antiarc | You should do some catch-up reading. |
| 11:44.23 | Corgrath | Damnit guys, stop writing one sentences. Modify the code how? |
| 11:44.27 | Wobin | yes, please do some catch-up reading, it covers quite a lot of info |
| 11:44.31 | Antiarc | It also modifies your WoW configuration without asking. |
| 11:44.35 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1&pageNo=15 |
| 11:44.35 | Bruners | i think i get it now, another but hurt wowmatrix user has arrived having broken addons? |
| 11:44.38 | Antiarc | Go, read, the code's right there. |
| 11:44.46 | nevcairiel | Corgrath: go read the old threads on the forums. |
| 11:44.48 | Gnarfoz | Corgrath: we're not here to babysit you through the whole wowmatrix drama. it's out there, go read it |
| 11:45.03 | Wobin | We've lived through it once, we have no desire to re-enact it =P |
| 11:45.17 | nevcairiel | And stop boring me, or i kick someone for entertainment! |
| 11:45.20 | Shefki | Good grief you guys are still going? |
| 11:45.27 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: once is an understatement, IMHO :D |
| 11:45.31 | nevcairiel | Shefki: again :P |
| 11:45.41 | Wobin | Gnarfoz, it was never ending =( |
| 11:45.50 | Antiarc | We went through it a few dozen times, and I got a totally worth it temp forum ban out of it. |
| 11:45.52 | Gnarfoz | this is the song that never ends... |
| 11:45.52 | Zhinjio | lived through it, and had to explain it to the first 10 rounds of <insert random dimunitive or expletive here> asking about it. |
| 11:45.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats not all the code i posted either, im sure they hate me |
| 11:46.04 | nevcairiel | Antiarc: lucky me, i can't flame the US forums |
| 11:46.17 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: you the thread starter? |
| 11:46.27 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:46.30 | Antiarc | ctrl-f arrowmaster |
| 11:46.34 | Antiarc | This is not difficult. |
| 11:46.59 | Corgrath | Antiarc: if you know his char is also arrowmaster, i agree. |
| 11:47.05 | nevcairiel | Its not |
| 11:47.08 | Gnarfoz | it's Tokrim |
| 11:47.09 | Gnarfoz | or was |
| 11:47.11 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Or if you just search that string in the page |
| 11:47.13 | nevcairiel | but he has arrowmaster in his signature |
| 11:47.16 | Antiarc | Where he has "Arrowmaster" in his sig. |
| 11:47.19 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron 04v3.239-beta * r308 : RaidBuffStatus: |
| 11:47.21 | Repo | - Tagged as beta. |
| 11:47.31 | Codayus_ | And it was the obvious thing to search for if you were looking for him. |
| 11:47.40 | Gnarfoz | sigh, SG:U is way more interesting than this, I'm out ;p |
| 11:47.42 | nevcairiel | man i watched a whole episode of numb3rs without knowing one thing that happend in it |
| 11:47.47 | Corgrath | Codayus_: no not really, people change namnes all the time. |
| 11:47.51 | nevcairiel | you guys distract me way too much |
| 11:47.52 | *** join/#wowace asqq (n=asq@ool-182ee0c3.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 11:47.59 | Antiarc | You're so obtuse, you belong in a geometry class. |
| 11:48.04 | Gnarfoz | Corgrath: that's why he has his openID name in his sig :) |
| 11:48.14 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Fix the edit box. :P |
| 11:48.19 | Arrowmaster | holy shit you realized thats an XRI |
| 11:48.25 | Codayus_ | Corgrath: ...no. A logical person would say "hmm, Arrowmaster, let me see if his name pops up in a search". And if he didn't they would go "meh, I guess people change names". |
| 11:48.27 | Arrowmaster | or do you just remember from me saying that before? |
| 11:48.28 | Bruners | this is so funny http://www.youtube.com/user/DaSexSymbol20#p/u/9/IdsH3IoNGXk |
| 11:48.31 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: the latter |
| 11:48.32 | nevcairiel | Shefki: when my torrents are done, no fun login in while downloading :P |
| 11:48.54 | Wobin | Bruners, somewhat staged =P |
| 11:48.54 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: but since you talked about it back then, I'd probably realize what it is on my own, too =:D |
| 11:49.11 | Corgrath | so, what's the deal? They actually edit addons? Why? |
| 11:49.19 | Bruners | Wobin: its kinda to good to not be |
| 11:49.20 | Arrowmaster | they did |
| 11:49.20 | nevcairiel | because they suck |
| 11:49.24 | Arrowmaster | and yeah |
| 11:49.24 | Bruners | Wobin: have you see his other vids? |
| 11:49.32 | Antiarc | Any number of reasons. They remove credits, they strip copyrights, they rewrite parts they think need changing, read the code there. |
| 11:49.48 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: one last thing before I go fullscreen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2PHE6pczUE |
| 11:49.49 | Arrowmaster | the worst is the last one |
| 11:49.58 | Shefki | WTF: replace "_G.GOLD" with quote & "Gold" & quote in tNewData |
| 11:49.58 | Antiarc | I mean, hell, it's hypercard, it's hardly difficult to interpret |
| 11:50.10 | Bruners | Wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daIbm0vaXJo&fmt=18&annotation_id=annotation_769597&feature=iv |
| 11:50.13 | Shefki | Antiarc: The language is Hypertalk |
| 11:50.18 | Arrowmaster | where they 'fix' Parser-3.0 after it got 'broken' by patch 2.4 |
| 11:50.22 | Corgrath | Antiarc: thats kinda crappy :P i almost regreating sending them a mail |
| 11:50.22 | Antiarc | Well, whatever it is, it's not hard to read :P |
| 11:50.24 | Shefki | Hypercard is the interpretor. |
| 11:50.26 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: omg, germans doing that isnt enough now, is it <.< |
| 11:50.33 | Antiarc | Corgrath: They're a blight and a cancer upon the addon community. |
| 11:50.43 | Antiarc | They are leeches and theives, and should be treated as nothing better. |
| 11:50.43 | Shefki | As someone that actually wrote a lot of code in that stuff ages ago I knows these silly things. |
| 11:50.47 | Zhinjio | dare I say a blight and a cancer! |
| 11:50.53 | Zhinjio | I'm shocked and awed. |
| 11:50.57 | Wobin | a cancer and a blight! |
| 11:50.58 | Zhinjio | or at least, I was then |
| 11:51.12 | Zhinjio | now I'm just oddly random and obtuse, like geometry class! |
| 11:51.15 | Corgrath | Antiarc: eitherway, they have what i want. And curse is too capitalistic to help me. |
| 11:51.22 | Antiarc | They did more to harm the WoW addon community than just about anything else anyone has done to date. |
| 11:51.34 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: all they really were doing was making changes to prevent error messages from happening, they 'fixed' Parser-3.0 even though the library was completely dead and useless after the patch that broke it |
| 11:51.36 | Antiarc | I heard bandwidth is free :O |
| 11:51.38 | orionshock | imo, the bandwidth issues with curse/wowi alone are enough to hold over WM.. the addon editing is only the insult to injury after thought |
| 11:51.42 | Zhinjio | except Kaelten. Kaelten makes me itch. |
| 11:51.46 | Zhinjio | in all the right places though |
| 11:51.49 | Zhinjio | drools. |
| 11:52.05 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: why is curse too capitalistic to help you? have you tried suggesting your idea to them? |
| 11:52.18 | Antiarc | Curse has had six-digit bandwidth bills on patch months. Wrap your head around that. |
| 11:52.26 | Shefki | Corgrath: Curse is pretty responsive to reasonable requests. |
| 11:52.32 | Antiarc | They are indeed. |
| 11:52.39 | Shefki | Corgrath: They've done a lot of things that I've asked. |
| 11:52.44 | Shefki | WoWI is too actually. |
| 11:52.45 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: After reading the wowmatrix/curse-war, i am getting the feeling that curse doesn't want a change. |
| 11:52.47 | nevcairiel | that of course assuems you can write a reasonable request |
| 11:53.02 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: You think they would give up their own client? |
| 11:53.02 | Zhinjio | I'm all for more assumptions. |
| 11:53.14 | Corgrath | Zhinjio: touché |
| 11:53.16 | Zhinjio | I'm going to assume nevcairiel can make donuts. |
| 11:53.19 | Shefki | Someone happen to know if China finally got 3.2? |
| 11:53.20 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: no but if you suggest your idea maybe they will add it to their |
| 11:53.29 | nevcairiel | Zhinjio: i never tried, but i would give it a shot! |
| 11:53.39 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: suggestion an idea means they can rip the idea tho |
| 11:53.45 | Zhinjio | nevcairiel: excellent. I'll bring the lubricant. |
| 11:53.49 | Zhinjio | er... |
| 11:53.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:54.00 | Torhal | Corgrath: You managed to read all of that drivel in a couple of minutes? AMAZING! |
| 11:54.06 | Zhinjio | D&D Spell of the Day: Divine Lubricant. |
| 11:54.12 | Bruners | Shefki: check |
| 11:54.13 | Zhinjio | er, wait... that was two days ago |
| 11:54.18 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: unless you write an NDA, but they wouldn't sign that :) |
| 11:54.19 | Antiarc | Well, best of luck with your idea in conjunction with wowmatrix |
| 11:54.20 | Bruners | http://www.wowui.cn/ |
| 11:54.35 | Antiarc | Don't expect any support from the vast majority of the community. You can probably expect an awful lot of pushback. |
| 11:54.43 | Corgrath | Antiarc: why? |
| 11:54.43 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: why are you wanting to make sure they cant steal your idea? do you plan to make money off of it? |
| 11:54.44 | orionshock | Corgrath: they might not give up their client.. but if your asking about their client.. they might be willing to opening their web API up a bit to allow for version checking and a non-curse-client API to get a URL to open a browser to |
| 11:54.46 | Zhinjio | I did get curse to sign an NDA for an idea once. |
| 11:54.46 | Shefki | Bruners: That doesn't help much when I can't read Chinese. |
| 11:55.00 | Zhinjio | turned out to be a moot point a few months later anyway, but whatever. |
| 11:55.06 | Bruners | Shefki: at the top it says å½æå½åçæ¬ï¼WoW 3.1.3 (10146) |
| 11:55.21 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Because the community has developed an intense dislike for wowmatrix, and we have very little incentive to support Wowmatrix and its ilk. |
| 11:55.24 | Zhinjio | Bruners: you're all hitting us up with your jibber jabber! |
| 11:55.47 | Bruners | Shefki: im just asuming it means current wow version :P |
| 11:55.48 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: no, i dont want to make money off it. Curse wants. Thats obvious since isnt their client a paid-service? |
| 11:55.51 | Antiarc | People respond poorly to their work being stolen, interestingly. |
| 11:56.04 | Antiarc | Their client has a paid version. It also has a free version. |
| 11:56.06 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: their client is free |
| 11:56.09 | orionshock | Corgrath: only the automagic attention to addons |
| 11:56.10 | Shefki | Bruners: There's also WoW3.2 and WoW3.13 and WoW3.1 on the same page. |
| 11:56.13 | Zhinjio | Antiarc: I love it! It means people LUBZ ME!~ |
| 11:56.13 | Bruners | http://translate.google.com/translate_t?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&text=%E5%9B%BD%E6%9C%8D%E5%BD%93%E5%89%8D%E7%89%88%E6%9C%AC%EF%BC%9AWoW+3.1.3+%2810146%29&file=&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&history_state0=# |
| 11:56.26 | Zhinjio | I could be mistaken though |
| 11:56.29 | Shefki | Bruners: ok ty |
| 11:56.38 | Corgrath | Antiarc: good thought to, not sure if its a good idea to be associated with wowmatrix tho. BUt still, they have a decent way to find addons. |
| 11:56.42 | Torhal | sighs at Zhinjio. "Foof." |
| 11:56.49 | Zhinjio | "Yay." |
| 11:56.51 | Wobin | Corgrath, hand searching? |
| 11:56.54 | Corgrath | Antiarc: that's what i need. A source of addons. |
| 11:56.59 | Shefki | It's becoming really annoying to keep tons of backwards compat code in because of China. |
| 11:57.04 | Zhinjio | man, thats just like, ingrained. I can't even *not* say that. |
| 11:57.06 | Zhinjio | christ. |
| 11:57.25 | Torhal | Corgrath: If you consider "decent" to be scraping an AddOn's official page for every user, incurring monstrous bandwidth charges, at no cost to themselves. |
| 11:57.28 | Zhinjio | of course, the joke is lost on this crowd. |
| 11:57.29 | Zhinjio | but oh well |
| 11:57.37 | Shefki | Corgrath: What's wrong with CurseClient or Minion? |
| 11:57.38 | Torhal | shrugs. |
| 11:57.43 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Develop an infrastructure that incentivizes me to distribute my addons on your platform and I'll be happy to license them for distribution, but you might find that that takes a bit more work and money than you might expect. |
| 11:57.49 | Shefki | CurseClient works for 99% of the addons I use. |
| 11:57.56 | Corgrath | Shefki: client's are not the future |
| 11:58.01 | Shefki | And the ones it doesn't, are becoming fewer and fewer between. |
| 11:58.16 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: then what is wowm? It IS a client? |
| 11:58.23 | Zhinjio | *coughs* THE CLOUD IS THE FUTURE. RESPECTZ YORU WATER VAPIOR NOW> |
| 11:58.23 | Shefki | Corgrath: Ehh? |
| 11:58.35 | Corgrath | stolenlegacy: yea, they have a client. |
| 11:58.43 | Corgrath | Shefki: heard about cloud computing? |
| 11:58.51 | Shefki | Ohh god. |
| 11:58.51 | Torhal | I'm pretty sure he's speaking of descriptive-osmosis: You read an AddOn's description, and you suddenly have it. |
| 11:58.52 | Zhinjio | ogod, I called it. you saw it. |
| 11:58.54 | Antiarc | HTTP downloads are the future! No proprietary client lockin! |
| 11:59.01 | sztanpet | holy shit, this dude is still there |
| 11:59.04 | Shefki | Antiarc: We had that. |
| 11:59.04 | Fisker | ~kiss Antiarc |
| 11:59.05 | purl | ACTION forces Antiarc to give Dezzimal a big kiss on the lips |
| 11:59.09 | Antiarc | Shefki: I know. :P |
| 11:59.18 | Zhinjio | makes sweet love to the cloud. |
| 11:59.18 | Bruners | Corgrath: stop using wowmatrix and use the curseclient and the minion from wowinterface. done |
| 11:59.18 | Antiarc | I was a wowace user back in the day when wowace was a directory listing. |
| 11:59.19 | Dezzimal | well I never |
| 11:59.30 | Wobin | pft |
| 11:59.32 | Shefki | Antiarc: Ditto. |
| 11:59.36 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: what is your idea then if its not a client? emailing/twittering/facebook poking users when an addon they use has been updated? |
| 11:59.41 | Wobin | I was a wowace user back when we had only about 10 people in the channel =( |
| 11:59.42 | Subdino | Antiarc: "${VCS_CLIENT} ${UPDATE_COMMAND}" is the future... incremental updates, traceability, open protocols... |
| 11:59.46 | orionshock | cloud computing... ?? clients are not the future?? WTF do u think is going to use this "cloud computing" crap you speak of? it's those "clients" you said are not the future |
| 11:59.49 | Corgrath | Bruners: It's hard to explain, but i am not interested in clients.. ah, screw it :) |
| 11:59.58 | Zhinjio | I was a wowace user when ... I ... uh ... started using wowace. |
| 12:00.01 | Bruners | Corgrath: what is it then? |
| 12:00.05 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: doesn't matter what my idea is. |
| 12:00.16 | Shefki | Subdino: No thanks. Alpha code on users machines sucked. |
| 12:00.20 | Antiarc | Cloud computing is just the abstraction of software away from its underlying hardware. Not much else. |
| 12:00.21 | Bruners | Corgrath: do you like the design on their page? |
| 12:00.35 | Corgrath | why doesnt curse email out the addons instead? of send it with USB sticks by mail. It's soo cool with oldschool dist. |
| 12:00.50 | *** join/#wowace SlikerHawk (n=SlikerHa@5e03cf76.bb.sky.com) |
| 12:00.52 | Shefki | Subdino: I like that I can control when I push out a major update because I can actually have it tested by people who will tell me something other than "it broke" |
| 12:01.00 | Bruners | Corgrath: because they dont want to |
| 12:01.04 | Stanzilla | my stupid detector just went off |
| 12:01.04 | Zhinjio | fortunately, there are at least a dozen completely different definitions of what cloud computing is. And further, no marketing person actually knows any of those, so it can really mean whatever you want it to. |
| 12:01.12 | orionshock | Corgrath: the differnce between emailing it or having a client download or you manually download and unzip it is not going to change bandwidth loads |
| 12:01.16 | Antiarc | Stanzilla: You must have it calibrated reeeeeeeeallly high. |
| 12:01.18 | Shefki | Corgrath: I have a USB stick from curse actually. |
| 12:01.25 | Shefki | Antiarc should have one as well. |
| 12:01.28 | Antiarc | I do indeed! |
| 12:01.31 | Antiarc | It's awesome. |
| 12:01.31 | Mikk | i'd argue that the client downloading is preferable |
| 12:01.33 | Zhinjio | rigs Stanzilla's stupid detector with spare zirconium pellets. |
| 12:01.34 | Mikk | since not everyone runs it nonstop |
| 12:01.35 | Stanzilla | Antiarc: I have to...fisker is here..you know? |
| 12:01.37 | *** join/#wowace ThiefMaster (i=thief@unaffiliated/thiefmaster) |
| 12:01.42 | Antiarc | Stanzilla: Ah, good point. |
| 12:01.43 | sztanpet | how old are you Corgrath |
| 12:01.44 | ckknight | hey beautiful people |
| 12:01.46 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: write a shell script that simply svn co's every addon in your addons directory. done. |
| 12:01.52 | orionshock | ckknight: morning |
| 12:01.54 | Mikk | apparently he's 25ish |
| 12:01.57 | Wobin | email is bad, cause it's push |
| 12:02.00 | Mikk | according to what krka dug out |
| 12:02.00 | Subdino | Shefki: right, it cannot be used for everyone. forget what I said :) |
| 12:02.01 | Wobin | people don't like push |
| 12:02.04 | stolenlegacy | ckknight: morning |
| 12:02.09 | Corgrath | stolenlegacy: is that allowed? |
| 12:02.09 | Bruners | hi ckknight |
| 12:02.17 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: don't see why it shouldn't be |
| 12:02.19 | Corgrath | sztanpet: my age doesn't matter, or? |
| 12:02.26 | orionshock | Zhinjio: eh, iirc google has the market on cloud computing & colaboration w/ it's google apps |
| 12:02.27 | Shefki | stolenlegacy: Don't suggest stuff like that. |
| 12:02.30 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Repo access is, in spirit, to be used for developers only. |
| 12:02.35 | Corgrath | stolenlegacy: are the addons in the rep open-dist? |
| 12:02.38 | Shefki | You'll freaking destroy the SVN repo if you do stuff like that. |
| 12:02.38 | Bruners | Corgrath: age is everything |
| 12:02.44 | sztanpet | the naivete you project is that of a 16year old Corgrath thats the only reason im asking |
| 12:02.47 | Antiarc | It places a heavy load on the servers compared to static downloads, and abuse of it would likely lead to it being locked down. |
| 12:02.50 | Zhinjio | orionshock: they've copyrighted the definition of a word! all hail google. |
| 12:02.57 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: nope, they follow the same license the addon itself uses |
| 12:02.58 | Corgrath | Bruners: if you looking for a boyfriend, im not interested. |
| 12:03.07 | Antiarc | Don't make us say "this is why we can't have nice things"! :P |
| 12:03.21 | Bruners | Corgrath: im not homosexual so thats fine |
| 12:03.25 | Corgrath | stolenlegacy: so its risky to actally use it, it would be "stealing" like "wowmatrix" did |
| 12:03.27 | orionshock | Zhinjio: seriously... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/edu/customers/pdfs/nyc_is339_cs.pdf |
| 12:03.28 | Shefki | stolenlegacy: There's a difference between license and being a respectable member of the community. |
| 12:03.30 | Zhinjio | I am! Wait, no I'm not. |
| 12:03.31 | orionshock | it's creepy |
| 12:03.35 | Corgrath | Bruners: cool, i didnt know girls were here. |
| 12:03.36 | Antiarc | It wouldn't be stealing if you're not redistrubting |
| 12:03.39 | Antiarc | redistributing* |
| 12:03.43 | Arrowmaster | damnit wheres tekkub when you need him |
| 12:03.44 | stolenlegacy | Shefki: of course. I was theorizing. |
| 12:03.45 | Zhinjio | orionshock: *nods*... I'm being obtuse like geometry class! |
| 12:03.49 | Shefki | Incidentally, using repo copies of addons anymore isn't very good. |
| 12:03.58 | Shefki | A lot of us have packager modifications that you won't get. |
| 12:04.03 | Corgrath | Antiarc: well, that's the idea with an addon update solution. You dist the addons. |
| 12:04.05 | Codayus_ | Based on how the word is actually USED, cloud computing apparently means "plain vanilla Xen VPSs with a utility pricing model that yields REALLY fat profit margins..." |
| 12:04.06 | Antiarc | If you're checking out the repos, packaging them, and redistributing them, you are in in violation of an awful lot of licenses. |
| 12:04.10 | Zhinjio | man, its truly a sad day when you can't rely on Fisker to rip someone a new asshole. |
| 12:04.11 | Shefki | For instance PB4 will have no localization other than english if you use a git repo. |
| 12:04.13 | Zhinjio | I mean, really. |
| 12:04.14 | orionshock | Zhinjio: :) |
| 12:04.20 | Antiarc | Yes, I know. That's why I mentioned that. |
| 12:04.44 | Zhinjio | cuz I smell a rippin' |
| 12:04.45 | Bruners | Corgrath: i'm not sure i understand your point |
| 12:04.55 | Shefki | Corgrath: I'd really like to hear the explanation of what you mean by cloud computing for addon distribution. |
| 12:04.58 | Corgrath | Bruners: I am not interested, thanks. |
| 12:05.00 | Shefki | I'm still baffled by that. |
| 12:05.07 | Mikk | his point is: he's a java developer. he wants to write a client that pulls addons from addon sites. because he can. he doesn't listen to legal arguments. |
| 12:05.14 | Codayus_ | Shefki: I think he's trolling us. Succesfully. :-/ |
| 12:05.25 | Antiarc | It's a better-than-even bet! |
| 12:05.26 | orionshock | Shefki: i think he might be refering to that p2p bittorent idea we bashed on the forums some several months ago.. |
| 12:05.28 | Mikk | this point has be rehashed in umpteen variations over the past 5 hours |
| 12:05.31 | Corgrath | Shefki: You know what cloud computing means? |
| 12:05.33 | Shefki | Codayus_: I came to that conclusion a long time ago when he debated Jim s James. |
| 12:05.36 | Bruners | Corgrath: are you sure? |
| 12:05.38 | Antiarc | Corgrath: The question is, do you? |
| 12:05.45 | Shefki | What Antiarc said. |
| 12:05.49 | Mikk | the REAL question is why he hasnt been kickbanned already |
| 12:05.55 | Corgrath | Antiarc: only the urban-dictionary version. |
| 12:05.56 | Antiarc | Because "cloud computing" just means abstracting software away from hardware. |
| 12:06.00 | Arrowmaster | because Cairenn|afk went to sleep |
| 12:06.04 | *** join/#wowace yoshimo (n=Kassandr@p5B0C2D60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:06.07 | Antiarc | I actually develop on cloud platforms, like, in practicality. |
| 12:06.18 | ckknight | I have a funny little @ by my name, can I help? |
| 12:06.21 | Zhinjio | gives ckknight kickban lovin' |
| 12:06.21 | Dezzimal | you guys need to make your stuff more web 2.0 |
| 12:06.23 | Antiarc | In addition to smaller virtualized platforms, and traditional single-box platforms |
| 12:06.29 | Shefki | ckknight: Yes please. |
| 12:06.30 | Corgrath | notices how the discussion is trolled again |
| 12:06.44 | Wobin | notices Corgrath noticing |
| 12:06.47 | Bruners | Corgrath: just wait till Fisker gets on |
| 12:06.55 | Mikk | i tried sicking fisker on him. he wouldnt bite. |
| 12:06.58 | Corgrath | "Corgrath, how old are you?", best one yet. |
| 12:07.00 | asmodai | notices Wobin noticing Corgrath noticing. |
| 12:07.01 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: because we are a democratic society. we don't ban people for their opinions. |
| 12:07.11 | Mikk | he can have his opinion |
| 12:07.12 | asmodai | Corgrath: Oi, you pulled that one first a few hours ago. |
| 12:07.17 | Zhinjio | bans people for peanut butter. |
| 12:07.28 | Zhinjio | and I don't even like peanut butter. |
| 12:07.29 | Corgrath | asmodai: You british? |
| 12:07.34 | ckknight | Corgrath: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw |
| 12:07.35 | Mikk | repeatedly defecating the channel all over - pass |
| 12:07.38 | Bruners | Corgrath: he is swedish |
| 12:07.53 | asmodai | Hah, jag ar svensk? XD |
| 12:08.12 | Bruners | are you ? :P |
| 12:08.26 | asmodai | Nej, jag ar inte svensk. |
| 12:08.36 | Bruners | looking at your host i would say dutch |
| 12:08.45 | asmodai | Aye, that I be. |
| 12:08.49 | Bruners | ckknight: that one was kinda good |
| 12:08.54 | Corgrath | ckknight: funny stuff :D |
| 12:08.59 | Bruners | asmodai: yous be high then |
| 12:08.59 | Dezzimal | so you'd be up for some neuken in de keuken? |
| 12:09.04 | Corgrath | IRC the term "trolling" appears every 3 minutes |
| 12:09.07 | Corgrath | in IRC the term "trolling" appears every 3 minutes |
| 12:09.18 | Zhinjio | ckknight: boxxy makes me itchy in all the wrong parts. |
| 12:09.25 | Corgrath | I dont understand what you mean, so you must appareantly be TROLLING. |
| 12:09.27 | Wobin | In here, only generally when Fisker is talking |
| 12:09.29 | asmodai | Bruners: Nope, never took any drugs in my life. Contrary to the popular belief not of all the people here are stoners. >_< |
| 12:09.30 | Stanzilla | Zhinjio: your fist? |
| 12:09.36 | Wobin | The rest of the time it's fairly civilised |
| 12:09.37 | asmodai | Dezzimal: With a lovely female, sure. |
| 12:09.45 | *** join/#wowace Vilkku (n=Vilkku@86-60-145-217-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 12:09.52 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: we've got purl in here |
| 12:09.52 | Bruners | asmodai: your loss then :P |
| 12:09.56 | Zhinjio | Stanzilla: that might be where it all started, yeah. |
| 12:09.59 | stolenlegacy | s/we've/we have/ |
| 12:10.00 | Stanzilla | :p |
| 12:10.09 | Bruners | asmodai: or gain |
| 12:10.20 | Dezzimal | it is one of my favorite foreign idioms |
| 12:10.29 | Bruners | dont think you gain anything by not trying tho |
| 12:10.31 | asmodai | Bruners: It ain't my stilo. :P |
| 12:11.02 | Bruners | i would for sure stop drinking if i could get high |
| 12:11.06 | Shefki | Night guys. |
| 12:11.16 | Zhinjio | Shefki: g'night |
| 12:11.18 | Shefki | Try not to kill each other or destroy the repo. |
| 12:11.19 | Zhinjio | sweet dreams |
| 12:11.46 | Shefki | Hopefully I can sleep now. Been having issues with that lately. |
| 12:12.25 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: so basically, my dreams and hope is shattered? If i can't figure out a legal way to dist addons (without help from wowmatrix). |
| 12:13.13 | Antiarc | Corgrath: You can legally distribute addons that have a permissive license, or which you've obtained a distribution license for from their authors. If you mean that you need a platform for it...well, that's what the cloud is for, no? :) |
| 12:13.14 | Stanzilla | wowmatrix can't help you if the addon license says "NO" |
| 12:13.19 | Arrowmaster | well if you are wanting to start from scratch yeah youre fucked |
| 12:13.20 | Zhinjio | if by "legal way to dist addons without help from wm" you mean "without the authors permission, you are correct. |
| 12:13.31 | orionshock | Corgrath: you couldn't with wowmatrix either btw |
| 12:13.49 | Antiarc | You don't need wowmatrix, you can download and redistribute GPL addons, or you can court addon authors and ask them to upload their addon to your platform with a license to redistribute. |
| 12:14.02 | Bruners | how legal is http://www.wowui.cn ? |
| 12:14.06 | Zhinjio | and on that note, its time to tuck my head under a pillow and pretend I actually can sleep for a few hours. |
| 12:14.06 | Wobin | wm only distribute addons with permissive licences or those with authors who permitted the distribution |
| 12:14.10 | Zhinjio | peace, y'all |
| 12:14.35 | Arrowmaster | Bruners: outside of china, not at all |
| 12:14.51 | orionshock | Bruners: because they host the old versions for those old clients that are still stuck in BC.. and we don't care :) |
| 12:14.53 | Arrowmaster | but since most of us cant read the page most people outside of china ignore it |
| 12:15.10 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: you could ask curse for permission to develop a java-based linux curse client |
| 12:15.29 | krka | isn't that what Shirik is currently doing? |
| 12:15.34 | Wobin | or perhaps work on Minion UI |
| 12:15.36 | Shirik | ? |
| 12:15.37 | orionshock | krka: no |
| 12:15.51 | krka | or was that for wowi |
| 12:15.54 | orionshock | yes |
| 12:15.55 | Shirik | stop bothering me P |
| 12:15.56 | Shirik | :P |
| 12:16.00 | Corgrath | stolenlegacy: my image of curse is that they are like micro$oft :) |
| 12:16.02 | krka | i just mentioned your name |
| 12:16.10 | *** join/#wowace SlikerHawk (n=SlikerHa@5e03d67b.bb.sky.com) |
| 12:16.10 | Arrowmaster | they arent |
| 12:16.15 | orionshock | Corgrath: they are far from... |
| 12:16.22 | Antiarc | Hahahah, wow. |
| 12:16.22 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: gotta agree there |
| 12:16.32 | stolenlegacy | we actually get paid by them |
| 12:16.33 | stolenlegacy | kind of |
| 12:16.34 | Wobin | Corgrath, My image of WM is of a gutter breeding diseased rat =P |
| 12:16.35 | Arrowmaster | wowi is more like MS than curse |
| 12:16.42 | Arrowmaster | since wowi is owned by zam |
| 12:16.42 | nevcairiel | microsoft? |
| 12:16.52 | Antiarc | No, no, micro$oft |
| 12:17.04 | Antiarc | Didn't you see the clever substitution of the "$" for the "s"? |
| 12:17.18 | orionshock | Corgrath: MicroCrap will take your money and not give you anything... Curse atleast gives you something for free before asking for your money :) |
| 12:17.18 | nevcairiel | meh i don't care, they are going to pay my new phone, so w/e :P |
| 12:17.18 | Wobin | tricky! |
| 12:17.18 | Antiarc | Truly the pinnacle of clever wit! |
| 12:17.36 | Corgrath | orionshock: meh :-/ |
| 12:17.57 | Bruners | i wonder what page wowui.cn take their addons from |
| 12:18.10 | Bruners | curse it is |
| 12:18.12 | orionshock | Corgrath: you really are out of the loop of the times for the evens that have played out over the last 2 or 3 years.... |
| 12:18.20 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.26 | Antiarc | I know they follow wowace/curse, because sexycooldown showed up over there within an hour of me posting the first beta :P |
| 12:18.26 | Corgrath | got a reply from wowmatrix |
| 12:18.45 | Corgrath | woha! |
| 12:18.58 | orionshock | Antiarc: but on the other hand they give you free translations and at least keep up with new releases right? |
| 12:19.04 | Wobin | well, that's more than any of -us- ever got =P |
| 12:19.08 | Bruners | they do at least contribute with translations on curseforge/wowace |
| 12:19.21 | Antiarc | orionshock: Hell if I know, I don't speak chinese :P |
| 12:19.26 | orionshock | lol |
| 12:19.43 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: and what do they tell you? |
| 12:20.06 | Corgrath | http://img5.imageshack.us/i/imagebe.jpg/ |
| 12:20.08 | orionshock | Wobin: i got emails back from wowmatrix... my responses to their email-song-and-dance where along the lines of "Comply or i sick the lawyers on you" |
| 12:20.08 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r3 SyncFriends.lua: |
| 12:20.10 | Repo | Add documentation for (potentialy) generic functions, and gather TODOs/XXXs. |
| 12:20.11 | Repo | Wordwrap at 79 chars. |
| 12:20.46 | Antiarc | You should be aware that wowmatrix distributes out-of-date and broken copies of many addons, so if you're using that as a source, you'll be distributing stuff that isn't the latest releases, and will likely have users asking you why it's broken :P |
| 12:20.59 | Wobin | no he won't |
| 12:21.01 | Wobin | -we- will |
| 12:21.01 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: I gotta agree with Antiarc there |
| 12:21.11 | Bruners | Antiarc: no, we will have users whining on forums why their addons arent working |
| 12:21.14 | orionshock | ^^ Wobin |
| 12:21.15 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 12:21.26 | Corgrath | Whats the status of curse? is that a company? |
| 12:21.30 | Antiarc | And that's when I laugh and tell them to only use authorized distribution sources! |
| 12:21.30 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: yup |
| 12:21.35 | Antiarc | Yes, curse has been a company for a few years now. |
| 12:21.48 | stolenlegacy | and after the wowm blowup, I changed all my addons from GPL to All Rights Reserved |
| 12:21.53 | Antiarc | ^ |
| 12:22.02 | ckknight | okay, I've read the log of the past 5 hours or so |
| 12:22.03 | Corgrath | I mean, if i really do have a cool idea -whats the chances i dont get screwed? |
| 12:22.07 | Bruners | i have all my stuff public domain |
| 12:22.08 | *** join/#wowace Sesshu| (n=Sesshu@ip-65-21.travedsl.de) |
| 12:22.11 | stolenlegacy | e.g. they aren't legally allowed to distribute any further revisions of my addons except for the ones they retrieved back then |
| 12:22.30 | orionshock | meh i kept mine open, but stated in the licence that i own the name and the 'official distribution' there of... |
| 12:22.34 | ckknight | Corgrath: settle down and stop violating or attempting to violate my copyright |
| 12:22.36 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Talk to Curse with an NDA. Your idea's protected, and if it has merit, you might see it come to fruition and make money off of it. |
| 12:22.47 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: ask Shefki - I think he's working on a Linux Client |
| 12:22.57 | stolenlegacy | if he isn't, talk to curse |
| 12:23.15 | *** join/#wowace Sirow1768 (n=Sirow001@p57A4FBA7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:23.15 | Corgrath | Shefki: You work at curse? |
| 12:23.15 | Bruners | isnt the curseclient working with wine ? |
| 12:23.17 | Antiarc | I mean, that's kind of why NDAs exist. |
| 12:23.22 | ckknight | Corgrath: as a Curse employee and addon author, I'm more than willing to hear your idea |
| 12:23.35 | stolenlegacy | Bruners: cc4 isn't, as far as I know |
| 12:23.51 | Corgrath | ckknight: curse employee? uh, got anything to back that up? |
| 12:23.53 | ckknight | Corgrath: Shefki is a trusted addon author. He may have access to the source code of v4 and is creating something from that. |
| 12:23.56 | Antiarc | Corgrath: He is. |
| 12:23.57 | Arrowmaster | cc4 never will work on linux |
| 12:23.57 | orionshock | minion is java based and runs on linux, but only updates off wowi and not anywhere else by default |
| 12:23.57 | Wobin | Corgrath, he is |
| 12:23.58 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: he is |
| 12:24.06 | Codayus_ | Corgrath: You really are trying to troll, aren't you... |
| 12:24.15 | Antiarc | I've hung out as his desk at the Curse offices in San Francisco. :P |
| 12:24.17 | Bruners | stolenlegacy: going to try installing it now |
| 12:24.18 | Corgrath | no, i am just careful. |
| 12:24.19 | Antiarc | at, even. |
| 12:24.31 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: he's got @ |
| 12:24.35 | ckknight | I've got @ |
| 12:24.36 | Corgrath | and? |
| 12:24.40 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: he posts news posts on wowace |
| 12:24.47 | Arrowmaster | and curseforge |
| 12:24.47 | stolenlegacy | and I can confirm he IS a curse employee |
| 12:24.50 | ckknight | and if you check wowace's announcements, a good majority are mine |
| 12:24.51 | Corgrath | anyone can get @ iin channels. |
| 12:24.56 | Wobin | Corgrath, no they can't |
| 12:25.10 | Corgrath | Wobin: welcome to #corgrath i give them out free |
| 12:25.15 | Wobin | hello |
| 12:25.17 | ckknight | please, let's move on, I'm not going to send you my check stubs. |
| 12:25.19 | Wobin | welcome to #wowace |
| 12:25.21 | Wobin | We don't |
| 12:25.22 | stolenlegacy | a) no they can't, b) check the news pages of wowace and curseforge |
| 12:25.38 | orionshock | Corgrath: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/?view=yes notice the name on a few of those? |
| 12:25.39 | Corgrath | ckknight: so curse is a company, right? how many employees? whats the company's goal? |
| 12:25.41 | Antiarc | ckknight: Not valid unless you send notarized check stubs signed by all parties involved! Gosh, we've been over this. |
| 12:26.29 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: I'd suggest the two of you take that one to PM |
| 12:26.31 | ckknight | Corgrath: I think we're around 20 people now. Our office here in Huntsville is the development office, we have 8 people total |
| 12:26.41 | stolenlegacy | i wouldn't broadcast your idea in an public IRC channel ;) |
| 12:26.42 | orionshock | the blue / different colored names usually means Admin on that site |
| 12:26.52 | Corgrath | stolenlegacy: thats a typicle bad idea |
| 12:27.08 | Corgrath | ckknight: what position do you have? |
| 12:27.09 | Wobin | Corgrath, You realise you're being logged, right now? |
| 12:27.20 | Corgrath | Wobin: by 186 people |
| 12:27.25 | Wobin | no, by Purl |
| 12:27.26 | Antiarc | I'm going to note that it's pretty hilarious that someone who is so worried about his idea being stolen is so keen to figure out how he can steal others' ideas. Heh. |
| 12:27.27 | stolenlegacy | Wobin: if he has any clue about IRC, he is |
| 12:27.28 | Arrowmaster | hes a dev |
| 12:27.29 | orionshock | ~log |
| 12:27.29 | purl | it has been said that log is http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/ for #openmoko-cdevel only. Maybe you meant "~logs" ? |
| 12:27.43 | ckknight | Corgrath: I'm "Software Engineer"/"Software Architect"/"Community Manager"/"Lead Developer of WowAce.com, CurseForge, and SC2Mapster.com" |
| 12:27.56 | stolenlegacy | ~logs |
| 12:27.57 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 12:27.57 | Arrowmaster | you can strike that last one you lazy bum |
| 12:27.58 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: ^ |
| 12:28.19 | orionshock | :| |
| 12:28.39 | Bruners | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowace/ |
| 12:28.52 | ckknight | Corgrath: we're free to talk in PMs if you like |
| 12:29.15 | Corgrath | ckknight: i have a hard time to actually find information about the company at curse.com |
| 12:29.28 | Wobin | http://i.imgur.com/cKc4n.gif >< |
| 12:29.36 | Antiarc | Shockingly, it's not publicly traded |
| 12:29.40 | Antiarc | Heh |
| 12:29.55 | ckknight | well, what do you want to know? |
| 12:30.16 | Corgrath | ckknight: Whats the chance I can access your database of addons for free? :) |
| 12:30.27 | Corgrath | heh |
| 12:30.32 | asmodai | Wobin: wtf |
| 12:30.36 | Arrowmaster | access how and why? |
| 12:30.38 | Wobin | asmodai, inorite? |
| 12:30.42 | ckknight | you mean to download and such or just get metadata on? |
| 12:30.43 | Fisker | ~kiss Antiarc |
| 12:30.44 | purl | ACTION forces Antiarc to give silentium a big kiss on the lips |
| 12:30.50 | asmodai | Wobin: This world continues to amaze me. |
| 12:30.51 | Fisker | hey ckknight |
| 12:30.56 | Corgrath | ckknight: nah, lemme rephrase with a serious question. |
| 12:30.58 | ckknight | hey Fisker, how's life treating you? |
| 12:31.03 | stolenlegacy | ckknight: badly |
| 12:31.13 | ckknight | I didn't ask you, stolenlegacy |
| 12:31.21 | asmodai | No love from ckknight :( |
| 12:31.31 | *** join/#wowace Sesshu| (n=Sesshu@ip-136-17.travedsl.de) |
| 12:31.38 | ckknight | that's not true, asmodai. I love all my worshippers. |
| 12:31.42 | asmodai | rofl |
| 12:31.47 | stolenlegacy | worships ckknight |
| 12:31.50 | Gnarfoz | you used to call us "children", not "worshippers" |
| 12:32.00 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 12:32.09 | ckknight | I swap between children, worshippers, followers, cultists |
| 12:32.11 | ckknight | you know how it is. |
| 12:32.17 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 12:32.17 | orionshock | Gnarfoz: the irs started to ask too many questions when 150 dependants showed up on tax returns |
| 12:32.25 | Antiarc | ahaha |
| 12:32.39 | stolenlegacy | orionshock: you win |
| 12:32.48 | Wobin | damnit, that's why I didn't get my tax return =( |
| 12:33.09 | orionshock | :) |
| 12:33.12 | ckknight | now the IRS doesn't care as long as all of said worshipping group are "true believers" |
| 12:33.17 | ckknight | woo woo tax exemption |
| 12:33.27 | Fisker | i'm like so awesome ckk |
| 12:33.28 | ckknight | <.< |
| 12:33.29 | ckknight | >.> |
| 12:33.31 | Corgrath | ckknight: I serously doubt that Curse would be interested with my idea, since you guys are heavily focusing on your clients, which does more than 1 thing. My idea is focused on addon-update-solution. Your client does more. |
| 12:33.32 | Fisker | and then <tab> |
| 12:33.33 | ckknight | Fisker: are you now? |
| 12:33.47 | Fisker | i'm awesome now |
| 12:34.27 | Antiarc | If this is a torrent-based idea I'm going to /lol, because that's been pitched regularly for the past 3+ years. :P |
| 12:34.38 | ckknight | Corgrath: the addon updating part is most important to the client. Ultimately, we're a business to make money, recoup losses, provide profit to our investors. If your idea is better than our current plan, we would consider it. |
| 12:34.47 | sztanpet | no, its a cloud based solution! |
| 12:34.57 | orionshock | ckknight: - well asking a tangent from Corgrath's first question -- is the web side API open enough to allow for 3rd party clients to get metdata atleast? |
| 12:34.59 | ckknight | o noes, it's drizzlin'! |
| 12:35.21 | Corgrath | orionshock: good question, does it ckknight? |
| 12:35.29 | Fisker | Garry tried a torrent solution actually |
| 12:35.29 | ckknight | orionshock: not as-is, if there was enough demand, I could consider it. |
| 12:35.35 | Fisker | and it didn't save much bandwitdh |
| 12:35.39 | Fisker | if at all |
| 12:35.52 | ckknight | exposing data's rather easy |
| 12:35.57 | Corgrath | ckknight: "You" could considter it? No offence, i dont think youre in that position to make that decision yourself, or? |
| 12:35.58 | asmodai | Man, Blizzard keeps updating their old games at a freaky pace still :| |
| 12:36.09 | ckknight | Corgrath: why wouldn't I be? |
| 12:36.16 | *** join/#wowace mojosdojo (n=gdbzet26@79.239.195.52) |
| 12:36.22 | Corgrath | ckknight: your a software developer, in a team, right? |
| 12:36.28 | Wobin | Corgath has trust issues |
| 12:36.32 | Wobin | He doesn't trust anything |
| 12:36.37 | ckknight | well, wowace is pretty much done by just me |
| 12:36.40 | Codayus_ | Everytime Corgrath asks a cryptically paranoid question, I get a tiny bit more convinced he's just trolling. |
| 12:36.44 | Wobin | because on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog |
| 12:36.45 | ckknight | ...pretty much |
| 12:36.49 | Corgrath | Codayus_: o.O |
| 12:36.50 | orionshock | iirc ckknight is THE developer, he has a team that works for him |
| 12:36.51 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: <@ckknight> now the IRS doesn't care as long as all of said worshipping group are "true believers" <-- second to last episode of Lie To Me was about that, IIRC ^^ |
| 12:37.01 | Codayus_ | We're up to...what, about a dozen of them now? |
| 12:37.13 | ckknight | Gnarfoz: good episode. The issue with that guy is that each house was set up as a separate church. |
| 12:37.16 | stolenlegacy | Codayus_: I'd actually empathize on the fact that there is a cloud of them |
| 12:37.17 | Corgrath | ckknight: ok, how many developers you got and what do they develop? what languaes? |
| 12:37.27 | ckknight | we have multiple projects |
| 12:37.30 | Antiarc | Why is that even relevant? Heh. |
| 12:37.32 | asmodai | Wobin: In god we trust, everyone else has to file a X.509 certificate. |
| 12:37.33 | Codayus_ | See? That's EXACTLY the kind of question I mean. |
| 12:37.45 | Corgrath | Codayus_: explain :P |
| 12:37.46 | ckknight | on the curseforge stack (which wowace is a part of), there's Kael and myself. |
| 12:37.54 | jnwhiteh | Codayus_: ckknight is just a script kiddie anyway =/ |
| 12:38.01 | Codayus_ | jnwhiteh: True |
| 12:38.04 | stolenlegacy | jnwhiteh: but a good one at theat |
| 12:38.05 | ckknight | no, jnwhiteh, my horrible secret! |
| 12:38.05 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, a kiddy scripter, duh |
| 12:38.08 | stolenlegacy | s/theat/that/ |
| 12:38.13 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 12:38.14 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.21 | Bruners | Fisker: did you get any milk ? |
| 12:38.22 | stolenlegacy | Antiarc: obv. |
| 12:38.32 | ckknight | on the curse.com stack, there are two developers (other guys, not here on IRC) |
| 12:38.40 | Fisker | naw Bruners |
| 12:38.41 | Fisker | no milk here |
| 12:38.42 | Wobin | Bruners, I ordered Fisker a thousand litres of it |
| 12:38.43 | asmodai | Bruners: I'm guessing a thousand liters. |
| 12:38.47 | Corgrath | ckknight: What's the plan with the curse-client? |
| 12:38.47 | Wobin | it hasn't got there yet? |
| 12:38.49 | ckknight | we're also working on a top-secret project, which Xtek and I are on. |
| 12:38.56 | ckknight | Corgrath: open beta on Monday. |
| 12:39.04 | orionshock | ckknight: let me guess, a new forum system ? |
| 12:39.04 | ckknight | hush hush. |
| 12:39.08 | Antiarc | Ooh, neato |
| 12:39.08 | Corgrath | ckknight: no, the goal - why develop it, whats the goal? |
| 12:39.14 | Codayus_ | Subdino: ZOMG YOUR TERRIBLE ADDON THREW AN ERROR |
| 12:39.18 | ckknight | orionshock: actually a full web framework that other sites can be built off of. |
| 12:39.20 | asmodai | ~Raise your hands if you're a sinner~ |
| 12:39.21 | purl | ACTION raises your hands if you're a sinner~ from the dead |
| 12:39.32 | Wobin | rofl |
| 12:39.33 | Antiarc | ckknight: Is this the django fork Kaelten was talking about a while back? |
| 12:39.34 | Bruners | Corgrath: to get a client for the users that works and isnt a pain for anyone |
| 12:39.41 | asmodai | hahaha |
| 12:39.43 | asmodai | pats purl |
| 12:39.47 | ckknight | Corgrath: the curse client provides people a means to get addons in a way that they either look at our ads or subscribe to premium, thus making us money |
| 12:39.55 | Corgrath | Bruners: you speak for ckknight? |
| 12:39.58 | ckknight | Antiarc: no, gypsy is used as the base of curseforge. |
| 12:39.58 | orionshock | Corgrath: that's like asking why files.wowace.com showed up all of a sudden |
| 12:40.04 | Bruners | Corgrath: you speak in a public channel |
| 12:40.05 | Antiarc | Oh, right. |
| 12:40.06 | ckknight | Antiarc: this project is .NET based and called Cobalt. |
| 12:40.15 | Bruners | Corgrath: thus im allowed to answer any of your questions |
| 12:40.20 | asmodai | ckknight: Why not Saronite? XD |
| 12:40.25 | ckknight | lulz |
| 12:40.27 | Wobin | ckknight, You couldn't come up with a cooler codename? =( |
| 12:40.30 | stolenlegacy | asmodai: because that's too expensive, obv |
| 12:40.32 | Antiarc | Can I prospect it at poor drop rates for green gems? |
| 12:40.33 | ckknight | it was a snap decision, we needed a codename. |
| 12:40.38 | asmodai | stolenlegacy: Oh right, rights and such. |
| 12:40.42 | ckknight | we looked at the periodic table |
| 12:40.43 | Antiarc | Cobolt's a pretty bitchin' color, tbh |
| 12:40.50 | ckknight | yea, definitely |
| 12:40.53 | ckknight | mmm... blue |
| 12:40.55 | stolenlegacy | asmodai: no, I meant the AH prices |
| 12:41.02 | Corgrath | ckknight: whats curse's relation towards.. WoWInterface? |
| 12:41.05 | stolenlegacy | likes blue |
| 12:41.05 | Bruners | Corgrath: its kinda the whole point with IRC and channels, several people can discuss and troll eachother |
| 12:41.05 | Antiarc | Any time I can get something in cobalt I'm all for it |
| 12:41.09 | ckknight | Corgrath: friendly rivals. |
| 12:41.14 | Antiarc | Corgrath: They're friendly competitiors |
| 12:41.16 | asmodai | bismuth ftw: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=bismuth+crystal |
| 12:41.17 | orionshock | curse vs wowi, it's a friendly competition |
| 12:41.21 | ckknight | Corgrath: we shared the UI dinner at Blizzcon, for instance. |
| 12:41.23 | Antiarc | Have you not been around the WoW addon community at all? |
| 12:41.39 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: they blocked WoWM together on 3.1 patch day :) |
| 12:41.41 | Antiarc | Like, I mean, this is sort of fundamental stuff. What's your relationship to and experience in WoW and its addon community?> |
| 12:41.41 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: ... you need to ask?? |
| 12:41.45 | asmodai | stolenlegacy: Ah, right right |
| 12:41.50 | Wobin | asmodai, yeah, bismuth is pretty awesome |
| 12:41.50 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:41.53 | Codayus_ | The only thing I think of when I heart the word cobalt is: http://www.sun.com/hardware/serverappliances/raq550/index.html |
| 12:41.54 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: He gets to ask weird-ass questions, so do I! :P |
| 12:41.58 | Corgrath | stolenlegacy: i heard that |
| 12:41.58 | orionshock | Antiarc: im starting to think that Corgrath is a "reporter" for one of those hack job wow news sites... |
| 12:42.00 | Codayus_ | Those were cool, back in the day. |
| 12:42.03 | asmodai | Wobin: but pyrite is also still bizarre. freaking cubes man |
| 12:42.08 | ckknight | orionshock: possible. |
| 12:42.11 | asmodai | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=pyrite+crystal |
| 12:42.14 | stolenlegacy | asmodai: elementium? |
| 12:42.30 | asmodai | stolenlegacy: Only wow hits :( |
| 12:42.33 | Antiarc | orionshock: If it were someone from wow.com, they'd just send Alex Ziebart to me, since I'm a guildmate of his and he's like one of the lead editors over there :P |
| 12:42.37 | Corgrath | ckknight: Well, to be honest, if your client is open beta on monday, i see very little why you would like to discontinue it (which would happen if you used my idea) |
| 12:42.50 | Codayus_ | Bah, that link doesn't even have a picture. Hmph. |
| 12:42.57 | Antiarc | I am rofflin' over here p. hard |
| 12:43.02 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: well, CC4 isn't working on Linux |
| 12:43.03 | ckknight | Antiarc: I met Gregg Reece at Dragon*Con, he did an article on me on wow.com |
| 12:43.13 | stolenlegacy | if you could offer a solution working on linux, they might consider it |
| 12:43.17 | stolenlegacy | ckknight: I remember that one |
| 12:43.19 | orionshock | Antiarc: while i've never been to wow.com, if they'd be talking to you i don't think it would qualify as a hack-job wow news site |
| 12:43.28 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk <-lulz! |
| 12:43.33 | Corgrath | stolenlegacy: does wow work on linux by default? |
| 12:43.35 | Codayus_ | Heh, wow.com is...funny. |
| 12:43.37 | Bruners | ckknight: isnt it open beta already ? |
| 12:43.40 | ckknight | no, Corgrath |
| 12:43.40 | asmodai | doesn't click Fisker links as part of his policy. |
| 12:43.40 | Gnarfoz | would your idea make them more money in ad revenue and subscriptions than the client currently does? |
| 12:43.40 | Antiarc | orionshock: wow.com == wowinsider |
| 12:43.47 | Antiarc | AOL bought the domain name at some ludicrous price |
| 12:43.51 | ckknight | Bruners: no, it's still alpha |
| 12:43.52 | Wobin | Corgrath, Nothing works on linux by 'default' |
| 12:44.01 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. |
| 12:44.01 | orionshock | Antiarc: ah, wowinsider is a hack-job wow news site.... |
| 12:44.01 | asmodai | Antiarc: AOL is behind it? :| |
| 12:44.02 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: it's working with only a few adjustments to wine |
| 12:44.05 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: people wanted a client so they made a client, why would your idea be better |
| 12:44.20 | ckknight | Bruners: fun thing. Adamar wants the release to be 4.0.1.337 |
| 12:44.20 | Antiarc | asmodai: Yes, wowinsider is a Weblogs Inc company, and Weblogs Inc is owned by AOL |
| 12:44.28 | asmodai | wow |
| 12:44.28 | Wobin | Fisker, "And finally... Adolf Hitler" |
| 12:44.29 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: i am not sayiing my idea is better, i am just saying i want simplicity |
| 12:44.32 | asmodai | Didn't know that one. |
| 12:44.40 | Antiarc | It's one of their most successful properties, apparently, heh |
| 12:44.53 | Gnarfoz | if you cherish simplicity, couldn't you just... simply leave? :p |
| 12:44.54 | sztanpet | Corgrath that is why there is a client with a button saying update addons on it |
| 12:44.54 | Arrowmaster | there are simple options available |
| 12:45.10 | Antiarc | The curse client is pretty darn simple to use. |
| 12:45.10 | sztanpet | any other solution is harder |
| 12:45.11 | ckknight | Corgrath: have you tried CCv4? |
| 12:45.13 | orionshock | Corgrath: CCv3 is rather simple IMO |
| 12:45.16 | ckknight | I can hook you up if you want. |
| 12:45.27 | Corgrath | ckknight: is there a way another developer could get access to the curse addon database free, that has another site? |
| 12:45.47 | Arrowmaster | do you mean just metadata on the addons? |
| 12:45.49 | nevcairiel | everyone here can say you that the answer is no |
| 12:45.51 | Gnarfoz | you've asked that question before, also without specifying what you mean by DB |
| 12:45.56 | ckknight | I already told you, I could expose metadata if I wanted |
| 12:46.01 | Antiarc | ckknight already said he could expose metadata |
| 12:46.03 | ckknight | I would allow you access based on your desire. |
| 12:46.13 | ckknight | if you want to try to compete with us, I probably would deny access |
| 12:46.16 | Wobin | That's what -she- said |
| 12:46.19 | Antiarc | And I don't think Curse could even legally give you redistribution access to the addons themselves due to licensing issues |
| 12:46.26 | ckknight | if you wanna do something that sounds cool and useful, I would probably allow access |
| 12:46.34 | Arrowmaster | curse cant if you are a 3rd party |
| 12:46.34 | Antiarc | Though I admittedly haven't read the curse TOS lately :P |
| 12:46.36 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster, ckknight: perhaps meta data by start, but in order to actually update the addons, i require (for obvious reasons) the real deal. |
| 12:46.41 | orionshock | Antiarc: they could actually |
| 12:46.45 | ckknight | and that's not happening, Corgrath |
| 12:46.49 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: you cant legally do that |
| 12:46.53 | Antiarc | ckknight: He wants your bandwidth and data for free, because it's all free in the cloud! |
| 12:47.00 | ckknight | Antiarc: we can only redistribute addons from within the Curse network. |
| 12:47.03 | Antiarc | Licensing, pssh. |
| 12:47.17 | ckknight | we can't give addons to someone outside of said network to then distribute |
| 12:47.18 | Antiarc | ckknight: Yeah, I figured as much, but didn't want to speak authoritatively about it :P |
| 12:47.26 | ckknight | for example, we could put QuestHelper on wowdb.com |
| 12:47.32 | ckknight | we don't |
| 12:47.37 | ckknight | but we could, under the ToS |
| 12:47.46 | Antiarc | Yup, fair enough. |
| 12:47.58 | Corgrath | thinks |
| 12:48.05 | Gnarfoz | put it up on sc2mapster to confuse people |
| 12:48.06 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: no site is going to be able to legally provide you with their database of addons to redistribute |
| 12:48.12 | ckknight | ultimately, we want to give the addon developers the power for how and where to distribute |
| 12:48.22 | Corgrath | ckknight: why? |
| 12:48.31 | ckknight | because addon authors are to be respected. |
| 12:48.32 | Arrowmaster | BECAUSE ITS THE LAW |
| 12:48.32 | Antiarc | Because Curse works very hard to serve authors. |
| 12:48.44 | Wobin | cause you don't bite the hand that feeds you? |
| 12:48.46 | Antiarc | And the authors appreciate that, and continue to support curse with their work in return. |
| 12:48.51 | Codayus_ | Walled gardens tend to fail... |
| 12:48.53 | Gnarfoz | they don't own the addons, they can't do just anything they want |
| 12:48.57 | Corgrath | is starting to ignore all messages that isnt coming for ckknight |
| 12:49.02 | Codayus_ | Really, if you need to ask WHY it's a good idea... |
| 12:49.04 | orionshock | it's in the ToU that only the successors of curse.com or it's affiliates can redistribute them.. |
| 12:49.05 | Antiarc | LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU |
| 12:49.09 | Gnarfoz | LA LA LA |
| 12:49.10 | Wobin | IT'S TRUE |
| 12:49.10 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: just kickban him now and end this |
| 12:49.12 | jnwhiteh | It goes back to the license discussion we had this morning. |
| 12:49.12 | Corgrath | ckknight: you know addon developers that doesnt want the addon dist widely? |
| 12:49.14 | Antiarc | This is just getting better and better |
| 12:49.14 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: haha indeed |
| 12:49.17 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: if you want to do this, take it to pm |
| 12:49.20 | ckknight | Corgrath: me. |
| 12:49.28 | Corgrath | ckknight: why wouldn't you? |
| 12:49.30 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: Clique and TomTom cannot be redistributed outside WoWInterface and Curse. |
| 12:49.31 | Antiarc | I don't want addon distribution widely |
| 12:49.36 | Wobin | Nor I |
| 12:49.37 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: every author in this fucking channel |
| 12:49.37 | stolenlegacy | I don't either |
| 12:49.44 | Antiarc | I wrote Omen, Chatter, SexyMap, and about two dozen others, if you're curious |
| 12:49.45 | Corgrath | why not? |
| 12:49.50 | ckknight | Corgrath: because I want control of how people get my addons so that I can limit where I deal with support. |
| 12:49.50 | Wobin | Because it's a fucking pain |
| 12:49.58 | Antiarc | Because I want a single distribution and feedback point to manage and monitor |
| 12:50.04 | orionshock | more users = more tickets = more iditos making bad tickets because they are too stupid to update... |
| 12:50.11 | Antiarc | Managing multiple distribution and feedback contact points is a royal pain in the ass. |
| 12:50.11 | Arrowmaster | because i hate you |
| 12:50.15 | Corgrath | ckknight: that.. makes no sense. Limit the support? |
| 12:50.22 | ckknight | Corgrath: also, Curse provides me money by having people download my addons through the curse client (as all other authors who sign up for the rewards program do) |
| 12:50.31 | orionshock | ^^ |
| 12:50.40 | Antiarc | Corgrath: You seem to think that addon developers have infinite time to deal with addon feedback, bug reports, problems, comments, etc. We don't. |
| 12:50.42 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: that reminds me, send me my $1000 through paypal already |
| 12:50.46 | Wobin | Corgrath, Why would you want to deal with 15 different sites, answering tickets and requests, when you can do it in one site? |
| 12:50.52 | orionshock | ckknight: on that note, when are you guys gonna put up the wow time cards on the store? |
| 12:50.55 | Corgrath | ckknight: ah, well say that then instead of some poetic "limit support". You profit by only dist via curse. |
| 12:50.57 | Antiarc | The more we can focus where we interact with people, the easier it is for us to support our work. |
| 12:51.10 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: sorry, guy, that's the SF office. |
| 12:51.18 | jnwhiteh | I explained all of this to you earlier today. |
| 12:51.21 | Arrowmaster | then tell them to give me my money |
| 12:51.24 | ckknight | Corgrath: I wouldn't have a big issue distributing through WoWI either, I just don't want to deal with the cross-site posting. |
| 12:51.26 | Wobin | God, I don't know why any of us are responding, he's ignoring the authors, cause we're clearly not worth listening to =P |
| 12:51.28 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: they are generally slow with the money, last time i waited 5-6 weeks or so |
| 12:51.29 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Lots of addon authors held the same attitude before Curse ever did any profit sharing, so your "aha" is worthless. |
| 12:51.33 | jnwhiteh | and then you told me that I was "in business" with the addon sites. |
| 12:51.35 | Codayus_ | Didn't we go through this entire thing about redistribution permission and the problems with multiple distribution channels with him hours ago? I swear this is at least the second time... |
| 12:51.44 | jnwhiteh | WowInterface has NO profit sharing |
| 12:51.48 | Antiarc | Codayus_: I think he's like that guy in Memento, no short-term memory |
| 12:51.48 | Wobin | Codayus_, He doesn't read anything |
| 12:51.49 | jnwhiteh | adn LightHeaded is available there and only there. |
| 12:51.54 | jnwhiteh | and that's my most popular addon |
| 12:51.57 | Corgrath | i don't like the idea that one site should have all addons. |
| 12:51.59 | jnwhiteh | so can't say shit about me wanting money |
| 12:52.05 | Wobin | He skimmed through the Wowace/WMatrix in about 30seconds |
| 12:52.09 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Enjoy convincing addon authors otherwise. |
| 12:52.17 | orionshock | Corgrath: and this is a hosting problem?? |
| 12:52.22 | Antiarc | We enjoy having a small number of well-trafficked distribution points |
| 12:52.23 | Wobin | Corgrath, Then write more addons and distribute them as you like |
| 12:52.45 | Bruners | i would enjoy getting all downloads from wowui.cn on curse |
| 12:52.54 | Fisker | wasn't it no long term memory Antiarc ? |
| 12:53.08 | ckknight | Corgrath: you have your opinion, I disagree with it, because having one site have all the addons provides a nice user experience. Also, as someone who benefits by curse's success, I want curse to be successful. |
| 12:53.08 | Corgrath | ckknight: whats the chances you will discontonie CC4 if my idea is good enough? |
| 12:53.08 | orionshock | Corgrath: that it would come down to the 2 or 3 most capable sites hosting addons is a natural effect of the entire system of opensource case use software of any sort |
| 12:53.08 | Antiarc | Fisker: No, he retained his long-term memory |
| 12:53.08 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: Right now, I have one bookmark to get to my tickets. Otherwise, I'd have 15 |
| 12:53.09 | Wobin | Fisker, nah, he had no short term |
| 12:53.10 | Antiarc | He just couldn't form new memories |
| 12:53.25 | ckknight | Corgrath: we would release CCv4. No reason to stop it. If your idea is good, we might do them both in parallel |
| 12:53.50 | Corgrath | ckknight: my idea is to destroy clients. |
| 12:53.57 | Wobin | with fire? |
| 12:53.59 | Bruners | good idea |
| 12:54.00 | ckknight | how would that benefit us? |
| 12:54.02 | Corgrath | with frostfire |
| 12:54.07 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: won't happen |
| 12:54.08 | Gnarfoz | how would that benefit *anyone* :D |
| 12:54.10 | Arrowmaster | how would that benefit users? |
| 12:54.14 | Antiarc | I'm lullin' so hard over here |
| 12:54.15 | Antiarc | so very hard |
| 12:54.19 | Arrowmaster | who explictly demanded a client from curse |
| 12:54.28 | Antiarc | Because I'm thinking that the definition of the word "client" is lost here |
| 12:54.31 | Corgrath | ckknight: how that would benefit curse? The user doesnt require download an external application. |
| 12:54.38 | Antiarc | HTTP DOWNLOADS FOR EVERYONE |
| 12:54.42 | orionshock | this sounds like the IQ and intelect of a 16yr old bitching because drugs cost $$ to buy... |
| 12:54.52 | ckknight | Corgrath: but how could we provide such a fluid user experience without a client-side app? |
| 12:54.57 | ckknight | lulzier and lulzier down the rabbit hole, Antiarc |
| 12:55.09 | Wobin | ckknight, email updates |
| 12:55.17 | Arrowmaster | twitter updates |
| 12:55.17 | ckknight | that's a poor user experience |
| 12:55.19 | ckknight | next idea. |
| 12:55.21 | Corgrath | ckknight: Yea, thats the question. Via facebook perhaps - who knows. |
| 12:55.32 | Arrowmaster | are you fucking serious? |
| 12:55.37 | Codayus_ | Oh ...no. When he said "cloud" earlier he meant cloud as in gmail. Your thinking of an addon updater done in ajax running in a web browser, aren't you. |
| 12:55.37 | stolenlegacy | Corgrath: yeah, because everyone has accounts on social networks. |
| 12:55.39 | Wobin | oh god, I was joking =( |
| 12:55.40 | stolenlegacy | I, for one, don't |
| 12:55.40 | nevcairiel | facebook is teh devil, btw |
| 12:55.41 | Gnarfoz | facebooklol |
| 12:55.44 | Arrowmaster | your a fucking facebook app dev are you? |
| 12:55.45 | nevcairiel | social networking needs to die |
| 12:55.45 | Corgrath | i was thinking of a facebook application |
| 12:55.46 | orionshock | .. so lets offload the problem of bandwidth onto another site that is not designed for it... sure... |
| 12:55.47 | CrazyBenny_ | yes, I demand facebok app to update my addons! |
| 12:55.56 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: just ban him now please |
| 12:55.58 | Antiarc | Why the hell would I want to log into Facebook to update my WoW addons. |
| 12:56.00 | Antiarc | I mean. |
| 12:56.07 | Codayus_ | Wow. |
| 12:56.11 | stolenlegacy | starts a kickban vote against Corgrath. |
| 12:56.12 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: why ban him, this is good humor |
| 12:56.13 | Codayus_ | It's so much cooler than I expected. |
| 12:56.14 | nevcairiel | "Why the hell would i want to log into Facebook" |
| 12:56.18 | nevcairiel | fixed it for you, Antiarc |
| 12:56.19 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: I DEMAND OPS SO I CAN BAN THIS GUY |
| 12:56.21 | Gnarfoz | as if people outside the US used Facebook much ;o |
| 12:56.28 | ckknight | the process of updating an addon is complex: you have to fingerprint the addon, check a service for an addon's metadata, compare versions, download from service, extract zip, put files in the right place. |
| 12:56.30 | ckknight | not each. |
| 12:56.33 | ckknight | not easy* |
| 12:56.34 | stolenlegacy | Arrowmaster: kaelten isn't here |
| 12:56.46 | Arrowmaster | he will get it later |
| 12:56.48 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: if I wanted to ban him, I would've done it already. |
| 12:56.50 | Gnarfoz | stolenlegacy: he, like ckk, hears our prayers regardless |
| 12:56.55 | orionshock | ckknight: -- "for each & it's not easy" :) |
| 12:57.08 | ckknight | right. |
| 12:57.14 | jnwhiteh | I like the new wowace |
| 12:57.17 | Bruners | stolenlegacy: you have an ignore function, use it if you want to |
| 12:57.18 | jnwhiteh | so many rational people here |
| 12:57.20 | Corgrath | Arrowmaster: lots of people use facebook, dont you? |
| 12:57.25 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 12:57.30 | Corgrath | sure? |
| 12:57.31 | orionshock | no |
| 12:57.31 | Gnarfoz | I certainly don't |
| 12:57.37 | jnwhiteh | i do, but i don't use any applications |
| 12:57.39 | Arrowmaster | i have an account but i dont use it |
| 12:57.41 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Lots of people use iphones, that doesn't make them a good platform for WoW addon distribution :P |
| 12:57.44 | Corgrath | Well, my idea was myspace.com so it was ok |
| 12:57.48 | stolenlegacy | ckknight: what about the idea of a simply Java app that gets the versions of installed addons from curse every x minutes, and simply notifies the user if there is an update. They still need to visit curse.com, and ad revenue is still generated. |
| 12:57.49 | Wobin | ... |
| 12:57.51 | Wobin | >< |
| 12:57.51 | Arrowmaster | thats even worse |
| 12:57.54 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 12:58.01 | Gnarfoz | ouch |
| 12:58.02 | orionshock | facebook, myspace & twat are all pools of shit waiting for the ignorant masses to download a virus and blow up their bank accounts |
| 12:58.03 | Codayus_ | I keep SAYING he's trolling us, but does anybody listen? Noo.... |
| 12:58.11 | jnwhiteh | Codayus_: cause you're a troll |
| 12:58.15 | Arrowmaster | he is trolling |
| 12:58.15 | jnwhiteh | now if Fisker told us he was trolling |
| 12:58.19 | jnwhiteh | we'd have no choice! |
| 12:58.20 | Antiarc | Codayus_: You're absolutely right, but this is enormously entertaining at 6 AM |
| 12:58.20 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 12:58.23 | ckknight | stolenlegacy: not a bad idea, really. |
| 12:58.42 | Arrowmaster | because myspace is the source of most virus infections yet he wants to use it for wow addon distribution |
| 12:58.43 | Fisker | Corgrath is a troll |
| 12:58.47 | Corgrath | You guys know the blizzard authenticator? Instead of having curse client there, you get a physical memory for addon updates. |
| 12:58.48 | Arrowmaster | if thats not trolling i dont know what is |
| 12:58.48 | Fisker | but he's sitting behind 7 boxxies |
| 12:59.02 | sztanpet | this keeps getting better and better |
| 12:59.03 | Arrowmaster | even Fisker the troll god of trolls agrees |
| 12:59.03 | Wobin | ah uh whut? |
| 12:59.04 | Bruners | ^^ |
| 12:59.06 | Antiarc | roflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflrol |
| 12:59.07 | stolenlegacy | ckknight: like, it starts in taskbar. If there is an update, it pops up with a scrolling window "There is an update for addon xxx." Click it, default web browser takes you to the curse page for that addon |
| 12:59.22 | stolenlegacy | notification window kinda the stuff IM's do |
| 12:59.33 | Wobin | stolenlegacy, kinda like... a curse client |
| 12:59.33 | nevcairiel | libnotify? |
| 12:59.36 | nevcairiel | i hate those :P |
| 12:59.41 | stolenlegacy | Wobin: no, without the download feature |
| 12:59.44 | orionshock | ... lets see using myspace for distribution of addons will not only make myspace 10x worse than it is, but then you'll cause problems for blizzard proper & trust me, no one here wants that |
| 12:59.55 | Wobin | stolenlegacy, I really can't see the advantage over the cc then =P |
| 13:00.00 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: So how is visiting "facebook" or "myspace" any better than visiting "curse" or "wowinterface". |
| 13:00.02 | Wobin | stolenlegacy, that email notifications don't already do |
| 13:00.07 | Bruners | to buy beer or not |
| 13:00.12 | nevcairiel | Wobin: advantage being for linux :P |
| 13:00.20 | stolenlegacy | Wobin: what nev said |
| 13:00.24 | Corgrath | jnwhiteh: you already have a facebook account. |
| 13:00.24 | Wobin | nevcairiel, and how does this differ from email notifications? |
| 13:00.35 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: not everybody does |
| 13:00.37 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: ... |
| 13:00.41 | stolenlegacy | Wobin: that not everyone checks their e-mail inbox all the time |
| 13:00.43 | Antiarc | Corgrath: I log into Facebook about 5% as often as I log into WoW :P |
| 13:00.46 | jnwhiteh | Corgrath: that's an absurd statement. |
| 13:00.46 | nevcairiel | Wobin: hey i'm not advocating the thing here! |
| 13:00.48 | Wobin | stolenlegacy, lies |
| 13:00.51 | jnwhiteh | better to have curse just support openid |
| 13:00.52 | nevcairiel | i'm happy with email subs from WoWI |
| 13:00.53 | Antiarc | And that's pretty much only for work-related testing |
| 13:00.53 | jnwhiteh | problem solved. |
| 13:01.10 | Arrowmaster | by that argument curse should readd openid support |
| 13:01.28 | Arrowmaster | which i support |
| 13:01.31 | Antiarc | openid support really isn't that hard, though it might be hairy with Curse's existing SSO |
| 13:01.41 | Arrowmaster | i want to see how they handle xri://=Arrowmaster |
| 13:01.41 | stolenlegacy | Wobin: oh, and you wouldn't have to subscribe to every addon you have seperately. The tool would just detect the addons you have installed |
| 13:01.53 | nevcairiel | My work proxy blocks curse.com, but not wowace.com |
| 13:02.08 | nevcairiel | but, i can't login from work because the damn login process uses a curse.com server |
| 13:02.09 | ckknight | Antiarc: OpenID was deemed not worth the time to support. It was supported on v3, but only 20 people (out of 2 million) used it. |
| 13:02.10 | nevcairiel | its mighty annoying |
| 13:02.17 | Antiarc | ckknight: Ahaha, wow. |
| 13:02.18 | Corgrath | ckknight agreed with facebook application, we just shook on it |
| 13:02.27 | Antiarc | ckknight: Deferred login via FB/Twitter might gain traction, though |
| 13:02.31 | ckknight | don't spread lies, Corgrath |
| 13:02.34 | Antiarc | People tend to really like those. |
| 13:02.39 | Wobin | o.O |
| 13:02.48 | Antiarc | Corgrath: You're downright delusional, buckaroo. |
| 13:02.50 | Corgrath | ckknight: ive got it on VHS |
| 13:02.51 | nevcairiel | twitter is a cancer of the web |
| 13:03.09 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: curse didnt support i-names though so i couldnt use it, i would have been number 21 |
| 13:03.10 | Antiarc | Twitter's a fine platform for certain cases. |
| 13:03.15 | Bruners | we should have Repo twitter on repo updates! |
| 13:03.23 | nevcairiel | heh Bruners |
| 13:03.31 | Wobin | ckknight, if you're really in video proximity of Corgrath, give him a punch in the face, eh? |
| 13:03.34 | ckknight | Bruners: pretty doable. |
| 13:03.34 | orionshock | Bruners: i'd go for that actually |
| 13:03.51 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: plus somebody would of had to manually add my openid to my account since there was no way to do it as a user except creating a new account |
| 13:03.52 | nevcairiel | only if we get a link to the diff as well |
| 13:03.53 | Bruners | could limit it to new tags :P |
| 13:03.53 | orionshock | ckknight: tho i like google groups better, as i can access that at work.. |
| 13:04.00 | nevcairiel | so giev online repo views |
| 13:04.15 | Antiarc | Online diffs would be pro |
| 13:04.21 | Bruners | indeed |
| 13:04.29 | ckknight | Antiarc: maybe some day... |
| 13:04.29 | nevcairiel | didnt that win the poll? |
| 13:04.31 | nevcairiel | checks |
| 13:04.48 | nevcairiel | yeah it did |
| 13:04.51 | orionshock | hacks poll to change it so online diffs got it |
| 13:04.53 | nevcairiel | wtb gitweb |
| 13:05.04 | jnwhiteh | I'm gonna go play this new game |
| 13:05.06 | jnwhiteh | its like HoN |
| 13:05.09 | jnwhiteh | but on facebook, so better! |
| 13:05.12 | Antiarc | :O |
| 13:05.13 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:05.15 | Wobin | >< |
| 13:05.17 | jnwhiteh | just threw up a little in his mouth. |
| 13:05.20 | ckknight | shudders in jnwhiteh's direction |
| 13:05.25 | Bruners | you git specialists, can i have one folder with an addon that has both curseforge and github and just switch between them to push ? |
| 13:05.38 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 13:05.39 | jnwhiteh | Bruners: git remote add <name> <address> |
| 13:05.41 | nevcairiel | just setup the remotes |
| 13:05.42 | jnwhiteh | git push <name> |
| 13:05.45 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Pericles * r45 / (2 files in 1 directory): AspectInspect: - |
| 13:05.46 | Repo | No longer use LibAboutPanel |
| 13:05.55 | Antiarc | Bruners: Absolutely, git supports as many remotes as you want |
| 13:06.16 | Bruners | but when i want to have different a different toc i need to have another branch ? |
| 13:06.20 | orionshock | why push to github? do they do packaging like CF? |
| 13:06.25 | Antiarc | Bruners: Huh? |
| 13:06.43 | Antiarc | If you want to maintain different codebases to push to different sites, then yeah, you want different branches |
| 13:08.20 | ckknight | git push --all |
| 13:08.22 | Bruners | orionshock: they don't, but github has online repo view |
| 13:09.04 | Repo | 10failboat: 03Maat * r74 FailBoat.lua: added: freya - bind life |
| 13:12.49 | Caleb| | ~seen sylvanar |
| 13:12.51 | purl | Caleb|: i haven't seen 'sylvanar' |
| 13:13.09 | Caleb| | ~seen sylvanaar |
| 13:13.10 | purl | sylvanaar <n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 18h 19m 37s ago, saying: 'steev failboat is mostly for testing libfail'. |
| 13:14.28 | Corgrath | Guys i need suggestions. If i tell ckknight my idea, how do i prevent myself of being screwed by him? |
| 13:14.37 | Wobin | NDA? |
| 13:15.23 | Antiarc | If you had been listening at all for the past week or so, get a damned NDA. That's why they exist. |
| 13:15.31 | Bruners | did the discussion stop now ? |
| 13:15.35 | Antiarc | Apparently not. |
| 13:15.42 | Antiarc | The same questions will be asked in approximately an hour. |
| 13:15.59 | Repo | 10libfail-1-0: 03Maat * r109 LibFail-1.0.lua: |
| 13:16.01 | Repo | add: freya - bind life in the correct project now, sorry sylvanaar :( |
| 13:16.05 | Corgrath | ckknight: would you agree to an NDA? |
| 13:16.18 | ckknight | sure would |
| 13:16.25 | Bruners | ~NDA |
| 13:16.26 | purl | I'm not allowed to tell you |
| 13:16.31 | Antiarc | hahaha |
| 13:16.34 | Bruners | fuuuuuu |
| 13:16.37 | Antiarc | That's wonderful |
| 13:17.12 | Corgrath | Does digital NDAs exist? |
| 13:17.35 | Corgrath | Sending mail to the states sounds like a pain |
| 13:17.58 | Bruners | cant you use a Fax ? |
| 13:17.58 | Antiarc | It's not uncommon to fax executed NDA documents. |
| 13:17.59 | Wobin | email then fax back? |
| 13:18.22 | Corgrath | have no fax tho, are scanners legal method? |
| 13:18.42 | ckknight | yea, no fax here, either. On the whole paperless lifestyle and all |
| 13:18.48 | ckknight | think of the trees. |
| 13:18.50 | Bruners | visit your local police station and get them to fax it |
| 13:19.03 | Corgrath | seriously? |
| 13:19.05 | orionshock | Bruners: ? wtf |
| 13:19.07 | Corgrath | uh, no |
| 13:19.09 | orionshock | kincos |
| 13:19.09 | Antiarc | As long as you have a document that can hold up in court if you needed to dispute a violation, the form doesn't generally matter. |
| 13:19.33 | Bruners | orionshock: on legal matters getting the police to fax it for you with a stamp from that police station is good |
| 13:20.04 | Wobin | Bruners, That'd be for the return, signed document |
| 13:20.04 | Antiarc | If your idea is important enough to require an NDA, then there's some legwork involved with that. I've done a fair bit of that myself. |
| 13:20.34 | Wobin | That sort of agreement you don't want to skimp on the legalities |
| 13:20.46 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.58 | Corgrath | Antiarc: nope, this is totally different from what curse does. So it curse just "happens" to do a solution i meantion to ckknight, i have papers. |
| 13:21.09 | Wobin | orionshock, isn't it different for each JC daily? |
| 13:21.37 | Bruners | ckknight: trees that are used in paper production are planted only for making paper (in norway at least) |
| 13:21.38 | Repo | 10ensidiafails: 03Maat * r171 EnsidiaFails.lua: fix: freya - bind life, XT - gravity bomb from libfail |
| 13:21.39 | orionshock | Wobin yes, tho this person submitting the ticket might have borked settings |
| 13:21.45 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Pericles * r46 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 13:21.47 | Repo | change time |
| 13:21.49 | ckknight | Bruners: yea, same here. |
| 13:21.49 | Antiarc | There is a lot of information available online about NDAs, and how to draft, exchange, execute, and enforce once. |
| 13:21.54 | Wobin | but the chance might be that my daily won't match up to theirs? |
| 13:22.00 | Antiarc | Google would be a good place to start :P |
| 13:22.39 | Wobin | orionshock, Do I need to instal SOCD? |
| 13:22.52 | Wobin | oh I do |
| 13:22.55 | Wobin | hm, one sec |
| 13:22.58 | orionshock | wobin, no, but it helps |
| 13:23.15 | Bruners | thinks Corgrath plans to make wmd's |
| 13:23.17 | Wobin | orionshock, what info do you need otherwise? |
| 13:23.50 | orionshock | i need the EXACT quest title. That perticular quest has this nack for having a space at the end or something fked up like that |
| 13:24.00 | Antiarc | Could you pull it out of the quest cache? |
| 13:24.28 | Wobin | Shipment: Blood Jade Amulet |
| 13:24.38 | Wobin | I can't quite tell if there's an extra space or not |
| 13:24.45 | orionshock | Antiarc: i might be able to.. tho better to do it live to make sure it's not an ID10T error |
| 13:25.22 | *** join/#wowace digmouse (n=chatzill@123.123.187.8) |
| 13:26.06 | Corgrath | Bruners: i am reading about Digital NDAs and signed emails |
| 13:26.56 | Wobin | orionshock, http://images.gammatester.com/pics/79d3934b921045cf5da1e1ef30a36d3e.jpg |
| 13:27.09 | Corgrath | I i signed an email, its pretty easy to proof that someone else has read it |
| 13:27.11 | Wobin | but again, not sure how to detect that extra space |
| 13:27.39 | orionshock | Wobin: go into the quest before clicking accept and put in ' /dump GetTitleText() |
| 13:27.45 | Wobin | sure |
| 13:27.46 | Bruners | ckknight: your soon level 7 on your brute! |
| 13:28.04 | ckknight | lol |
| 13:28.08 | ckknight | do not care |
| 13:28.23 | Wobin | orionshock, aha |
| 13:28.24 | Wobin | yes |
| 13:28.27 | Wobin | there's a space |
| 13:28.44 | Bruners | ckknight: you should, its really important! :P |
| 13:28.45 | orionshock | the f'ed up part is that space dosn't show up in a tooltip scan |
| 13:28.45 | Wobin | [00:28:06] Dump: value=GetTitleText() |
| 13:28.45 | Wobin | [00:28:06] [1]="Shipment: Blood Jade Amulet " |
| 13:28.53 | Wobin | that's pretty terrible |
| 13:29.01 | Wobin | trim both =) |
| 13:29.04 | orionshock | heads off to bug report fourm on blizzard's site |
| 13:29.24 | *** join/#wowace ripdog (n=ripdog@ip-118-90-91-87.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 13:30.32 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: the itunes version was totally worth it, its alot sharper |
| 13:30.44 | *** join/#wowace asq (n=asq@unaffiliated/asq) |
| 13:30.52 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: absolutely |
| 13:31.12 | nevcairiel | sadly for some series the web-dl only appears 2-3 days later |
| 13:31.18 | nevcairiel | the patience for that..impossible |
| 13:31.18 | yoshimo | after the new ptr patch everytime i try to play it my graphicdriver crashes... |
| 13:31.36 | ripdog | yoshimo: what card? |
| 13:31.55 | nevcairiel | I have another weird thing |
| 13:31.56 | yoshimo | geforce 275 and the most recent nvidia driver |
| 13:32.09 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: ugh, your tracker is slow then |
| 13:32.31 | nevcairiel | On Wine, sicne the last PTR patch, whenever i start the launcher, it changes the dirs access rights to not be accessible anymore |
| 13:32.37 | nevcairiel | its like, wtf |
| 13:32.37 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: shows up single-digit amounts of hours after airing on mine |
| 13:32.44 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: only on some series, not all |
| 13:32.50 | nevcairiel | its usually pretty fast with other stuff |
| 13:33.12 | Corgrath | meh, ckknight is ignoring my NDA suggestion in pm :) |
| 13:33.18 | Gnarfoz | yeah, mine doesn't have web-dl ones for everything, either |
| 13:33.21 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r6645 / (2 files in 2 directories): frFR Update |
| 13:33.47 | ckknight | no, I'm just getting a handjob right now, Corgrath |
| 13:34.00 | orionshock | lol |
| 13:35.22 | Bruners | ckknight: since when did handjobs get more important than answering pm's ? |
| 13:35.31 | nevcairiel | ..ever? |
| 13:35.41 | nevcairiel | er, always i meant .P |
| 13:35.44 | Bruners | if it was a footjob i would have understood it |
| 13:36.31 | *** join/#wowace malifae (n=malifae@fallout.pyrocumulus.org) |
| 13:37.51 | sztanpet | please do share his idea if its too idiotic to keep it a secret ckknight |
| 13:38.04 | *** part/#wowace malifae (n=malifae@fallout.pyrocumulus.org) |
| 13:38.31 | *** join/#wowace Silowyi (n=silowyi_@24-155-116-210.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 13:38.35 | Antiarc | That'd violate the NDA :P |
| 13:38.41 | Wobin | hm baconnaise: http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2009/10/baconnaise-meat-mayos-mayonnaise-recipe.html |
| 13:38.59 | Arrowmaster | he already said it involved myspace |
| 13:39.01 | Bruners | i just wanted to tell you guys that im going to hit the shower, then go buy some food, so dont be sad and start crying if i dont answer |
| 13:39.05 | Arrowmaster | so it is idiotic |
| 13:39.19 | Corgrath | i wonder if WoWInterface has a client.. |
| 13:39.25 | Arrowmaster | they do |
| 13:39.29 | sztanpet | yes it does |
| 13:39.44 | ripdog | http://minion.mmoui.com/ |
| 13:40.01 | Antiarc | You continue to miss the point that even if Curse or WoWI granted you technical access, you wouldn't have legal rights to redistribute addons |
| 13:40.21 | Corgrath | unless i develop the solution for them |
| 13:40.38 | Arrowmaster | you mean sell it to them right? |
| 13:41.13 | Gnarfoz | Corgrath: not even then. |
| 13:41.13 | Corgrath | not necessary |
| 13:41.25 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: obviously, else it wouldnt be any point in involving legal shits |
| 13:41.26 | Antiarc | Unless Curse owns the solution, addons would not be able to be distributed through it |
| 13:41.28 | Corgrath | Gnarfoz: i am pretty sure |
| 13:41.33 | Gnarfoz | Corgrath: you're wrong. |
| 13:42.02 | nevcairiel | if anyone starts distributing addons over social networks, i'm out of here :P |
| 13:42.04 | Gnarfoz | Corgrath: I own the rights to my addons, not someone else. I get to choose the method of distribution |
| 13:42.11 | Corgrath | ouch, minion is a java based solution. curse is far behind. |
| 13:42.15 | Antiarc | hahaha |
| 13:42.28 | nevcairiel | curse decided directly *not* to use java |
| 13:42.35 | Corgrath | why not? |
| 13:42.39 | Gnarfoz | it's totally irrelevant which language it is written in. |
| 13:42.40 | Arrowmaster | because java fucking sucks |
| 13:42.48 | Antiarc | And here comes the Java proselytizing :P |
| 13:42.49 | nevcairiel | a native client for windows, and a native client for Mac OSX |
| 13:42.51 | Corgrath | in what way? |
| 13:42.56 | Gnarfoz | sideways. |
| 13:42.58 | sztanpet | because nobody has java installed, and its a 250meg bloat |
| 13:43.00 | nevcairiel | Corgrath: not the good way |
| 13:43.01 | ripdog | the mac client is NOT native |
| 13:43.08 | Arrowmaster | its the cause of the influx of retard programmers |
| 13:43.16 | Corgrath | oh ok |
| 13:43.23 | ripdog | sorry, but on mac, wowi's client > curse's client |
| 13:43.31 | nevcairiel | ripdog: have you even seen the CC4 on mac? |
| 13:43.51 | ripdog | last time I checked, it hadnt been released in any way |
| 13:44.01 | nevcairiel | so what makes you come to that conclusion? |
| 13:44.07 | nevcairiel | that its not native? |
| 13:44.16 | ripdog | uh.. i've used the one that has been released? |
| 13:44.28 | nevcairiel | ... |
| 13:44.34 | ripdog | saying "the next version will be better" does not excuse the last one |
| 13:44.46 | nevcairiel | I didnt say the last one was native |
| 13:44.47 | nevcairiel | i was talking about 4 |
| 13:45.00 | nevcairiel | which is native on both OS'es which WoW runs on |
| 13:45.03 | Stanzilla | it even looks like itunes! |
| 13:45.04 | ripdog | my mistake, then |
| 13:45.18 | nevcairiel | although i kinda dislike the use of WPF |
| 13:45.20 | Stanzilla | http://static.wowace.com/content/attachments/0/944/Mac_v4_Client_Pre-Alpha.png |
| 13:45.30 | nevcairiel | windows forms would've at least been able to run in mono |
| 13:45.33 | nevcairiel | WPF..not |
| 13:46.14 | ripdog | Stanzilla: Ooh, thanks! Where was that released? |
| 13:46.32 | ripdog | lol nvm, read png as dmg |
| 13:47.12 | Corgrath | i just shrug each time i hear you guys talking about clients :D |
| 13:47.36 | Gnarfoz | we just shrug when you open your mouth |
| 13:47.38 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 13:47.40 | Antiarc | This silly ideal to abolish the client belies a fundamental ignorance about the nature of networked computing |
| 13:47.46 | Subdino | Gnarfoz++ |
| 13:48.16 | *** join/#wowace asq (n=asq@unaffiliated/asq) |
| 13:48.16 | *** join/#wowace Zeksie (n=zeksie@cpc1-nott9-0-0-cust756.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 13:48.16 | Corgrath | Antiarc: uhm, ok. |
| 13:48.16 | ripdog | although really, i've never found a client that correctly identifies all my addons since wowace closed files.wowace.com |
| 13:48.46 | ripdog | Antiarc: Abolish the client? Who suggested that? |
| 13:48.51 | Antiarc | Corgrath did. |
| 13:48.53 | sztanpet | Corgrath a client is the most smooth experience of addon updating you can provide to clients, what is your problem |
| 13:49.04 | *** join/#wowace Chompers (n=Chomp@cpc3-cove11-2-0-cust846.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 13:49.06 | Wobin | it's not web2.0 enough |
| 13:49.07 | sztanpet | there are _no_ alternative to it |
| 13:49.15 | Antiarc | He has an idea to get rid of "clients" and deliver addon updates via Tesla-esque wireless psychic magic or somesuch |
| 13:49.28 | Gnarfoz | ripdog: at the point where you have a pre-existing set of addons you didn't install through a client... it boils down to guesswork. so... the "best" client is the client that's best at guessing what your addons are |
| 13:49.28 | ripdog | I like it |
| 13:49.36 | Wobin | Antiarc, ... so do I |
| 13:49.47 | Corgrath | Antiarc: Facebook application. |
| 13:49.55 | Gnarfoz | myspace, you said |
| 13:50.00 | Corgrath | both |
| 13:50.01 | Antiarc | Protip: The browser is a client. :V |
| 13:50.04 | Gnarfoz | both are idiotic |
| 13:50.10 | sztanpet | clrg |
| 13:50.17 | Gnarfoz | AND both are Flash or Java, probably. |
| 13:50.24 | sztanpet | Corgrath have you seen what those applications can do to your computer? |
| 13:50.48 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather not have to solve the things clients have to solve in Flash, lol |
| 13:50.49 | ripdog | Gnarfoz: thats nice, but my wowace client always got it perfectly. And how on earth mmoui manages to identify addons correctly then screw up version detection, I have no idea. Isn't it just reading a number form the toc? |
| 13:51.01 | sztanpet | not anywhere near the functionality you need for those to replace something like the curse client |
| 13:51.02 | Gnarfoz | no. |
| 13:51.06 | Corgrath | sztanpet: i have CC3 installed now and started - anything special i shoud "notice"? |
| 13:51.09 | sztanpet | and that will NOT change |
| 13:51.10 | Antiarc | Installing an app in the browser versus installing the app in the OS is just a difference of abstracting the platform to one degree or another. |
| 13:51.11 | *** join/#wowace Groktar (i=Groktar@c-98-239-116-74.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 13:51.14 | nevcairiel | I can tell you, if people start using social networking for addon updating, me and alot of other devs will be gone, and with us our addons :P |
| 13:51.46 | Gnarfoz | ripdog: I have an addon consisting of a .toc and .lua file, the bare minimum you can have. I change something in the .lua file and upload a new zip. how would reading a number from the .toc file help you distinguish the two versions? |
| 13:51.47 | Corgrath | my solution involved torrent files |
| 13:51.52 | Antiarc | I KNEW IT |
| 13:51.56 | Antiarc | I KNEWWWWWWW IT |
| 13:51.57 | sztanpet | what will that solve Corgrath |
| 13:51.59 | nevcairiel | p2p has been discussed before |
| 13:52.08 | Antiarc | We've talked about torrent-based solutions for literally years :P |
| 13:52.10 | Corgrath | sztanpet latency |
| 13:52.19 | Gnarfoz | p2p solves latency? you gotta be kidding me. |
| 13:52.23 | ripdog | Gnarfoz: Does "the addon author is stupid" count? |
| 13:52.25 | Antiarc | Torrents are massively inefficient for small files like addons. |
| 13:52.32 | Antiarc | Massively, incredibly, utterly inefficient. |
| 13:52.35 | sztanpet | will that provide the quality upgrade experience and non-fussyness that every other client provides? |
| 13:52.42 | Corgrath | Antiarc: not if the addons are bundled into one huge file |
| 13:52.52 | Gnarfoz | ripdog: you're missing the point. there's no reason to touch the .toc file on every change I make |
| 13:52.54 | sztanpet | oh god |
| 13:52.58 | nevcairiel | hahahaha |
| 13:53.02 | Antiarc | You...do know how a torrent works right? |
| 13:53.03 | nevcairiel | i'm laughing so hard :P |
| 13:53.05 | Antiarc | I mean uh. |
| 13:53.13 | Antiarc | I'm literally speechless. |
| 13:53.22 | Gnarfoz | ripdog: actually, to counter this, the wowace/cf packager actually injects accurate version numbers into .toc files now |
| 13:53.25 | Corgrath | The idea is to download all addons as a huge file, unpack and install |
| 13:53.31 | ripdog | Gnarfoz: Or just use the svn revision number as your version number |
| 13:53.34 | krka | yes... torrents are really good for content that changes often O_o |
| 13:53.46 | Antiarc | You don't seem to quite grasp how much content and bandwidth that would be. |
| 13:53.50 | Gnarfoz | ripdog: that'd require me to use svn. |
| 13:53.50 | Corgrath | my solution is the tracker |
| 13:54.08 | Gnarfoz | your solution is based on a big bunch of misconceptions |
| 13:54.08 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r4 SyncFriends.lua: |
| 13:54.10 | Repo | Cleanup action registry: use a static registry, as there is no need to change it dynamicaly, and the amount of factorised code isn't worth the pain. |
| 13:54.11 | Repo | Make coding style more consistent: don't use semicolons as line terminators. |
| 13:54.11 | Antiarc | You're missing several absolutely huge pieces of the puzzle here. |
| 13:54.13 | Repo | Remove unused consts. |
| 13:54.35 | Antiarc | Addons are not static, are not all updated at once, and I sure as hell don't want to download a 16GB master file every time I want to update a bugfix in one of my addons. |
| 13:54.37 | Corgrath | Antiarc: what? why download stuff with http when you can get it via torrent |
| 13:54.38 | ripdog | Gnarfoz: Or roll your own, it was just an example. Make a shell script to increment a version number and then commit. |
| 13:54.49 | sztanpet | Corgrath again, what is the benefit for the users? will it be as smooth as the curse clients update method? |
| 13:55.00 | Corgrath | sztanpet: it will go faster |
| 13:55.04 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Because the nature of addon development and distribution is massively counter-effective for this kind of solution. |
| 13:55.07 | sztanpet | nobody cares |
| 13:55.15 | Antiarc | We've thought about it. For years. Seriously. This is not a new idea. |
| 13:55.21 | sztanpet | the point is requiring a single click to update or not |
| 13:55.26 | Wobin | Corgrath, What's the smallest torrent you've downloaded? |
| 13:55.34 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: curse has been in contact with the creator of bittorrent before, torrents for wow addons is a bad idea and will not work |
| 13:55.36 | Corgrath | 244 mb |
| 13:55.42 | Wobin | How many addons are that size? |
| 13:55.43 | Gnarfoz | ripdog: the point is not what I can do, the point is what you expect of clients. since anyone can (and will) do what they want, the situation will not be homogenous. so your client will have to try to be smart about version matching. fuzzy matching is not an exact science, by definition, so invariably, different implementations will have different results |
| 13:55.52 | Corgrath | Wobin: 167 addons |
| 13:56.00 | Wobin | 167 addons are each 244 mb? |
| 13:56.05 | Corgrath | no in total |
| 13:56.06 | Antiarc | Corgrath: So you recommend downloading 167 addons every time I want to update 1 addon. |
| 13:56.09 | Antiarc | That's a great idea. |
| 13:56.15 | Antiarc | I have all this bandwidth I'm wasting! |
| 13:56.21 | krka | some torrent-like solution optimized for often changed content would be interesting though |
| 13:56.22 | Wobin | How often do you download 167 addons at once? |
| 13:56.22 | [Ammo] | and ofcourse lots of people have the same addons |
| 13:56.26 | [Ammo] | exactly the same adons |
| 13:56.31 | Antiarc | Not to mention that that consolidated addon pack has to come from somewhere |
| 13:56.32 | Gnarfoz | I have ~180 addons, totalling 112mb, what kind of bloated crap do you use? :p |
| 13:56.33 | [Ammo] | so they have your torrent pieces |
| 13:56.40 | Antiarc | What [Ammo] is saying. |
| 13:57.09 | krka | one torrent per addon/version seems more feasible |
| 13:57.10 | Corgrath | Gnarfoz: i pack "data" with it too, such as images |
| 13:57.12 | ripdog | Gnarfoz: Hmm, i suppose you're right, and then we come to the logical conclusion of the sites themselves injecting numbers. Oh well, arguments are fun :P |
| 13:57.16 | krka | and some sort of client to automatically handle everything |
| 13:57.17 | Arrowmaster | krka: its not |
| 13:57.28 | Arrowmaster | addons are too small to be used that way |
| 13:57.49 | Gnarfoz | ripdog: well, curse already does, and it probably helps. dunno if the client actually uses that. AFAIK they use other methods of fingerprinting files, too |
| 13:57.52 | Arrowmaster | you end up with 1 piece torrents |
| 13:58.00 | ripdog | So has wowace ever asked for volunteer mirror sites, like many linux distro's do? |
| 13:58.12 | Arrowmaster | in the past yes |
| 13:58.16 | sztanpet | Corgrath fastness is not an issue, you will NOT update addons when wow is running and doesnt matter when wow is not running, so what is the benefit for the user |
| 13:58.19 | krka | Arrowmaster: maybe yours are small, my latest addon is a whopping 9.9 KB |
| 13:58.26 | Gnarfoz | there's been mirrors of files.wowace.com, to alleviate the load, IIRC |
| 13:58.33 | Wobin | krka, that's not what -she- said! |
| 13:58.35 | ripdog | what happened to them? |
| 13:58.41 | Arrowmaster | krka: thats still going to be a 1 piece torrent which is useless |
| 13:58.42 | nevcairiel | for obvious reasons we couldn't just trust every mirror |
| 13:58.49 | Antiarc | You should ask ckknight what kind of bandwidth Curse does during a patch month :P |
| 13:58.51 | Corgrath | Why does everyone hate my ideas all of a sudden? You praised the facebook one, but torrent is crap? |
| 13:58.52 | Gnarfoz | ripdog: they couldn't afford it anymore, is my guess. ;p |
| 13:58.55 | Antiarc | ROFL |
| 13:58.57 | Wobin | er |
| 13:59.00 | Antiarc | You think we praised the Facebook one? |
| 13:59.01 | Wobin | we didn't praise the FB one |
| 13:59.01 | Gnarfoz | uhm, nobody praised the facebook one. |
| 13:59.02 | Antiarc | You're fucking crazy. |
| 13:59.06 | Arrowmaster | Corgrath: we caused you a fucking idiot for the facebook/myspace one |
| 13:59.08 | Antiarc | You're a look. |
| 13:59.10 | Antiarc | Loon, too. |
| 13:59.25 | Corgrath | Yea yea whatever. Its all logged by "prul" |
| 13:59.26 | Arrowmaster | and we told you hours ago that we had already heard the bittorrent idea and it was stupid |
| 13:59.28 | Wobin | Corgrath, in any case, the whole torrent idea has been discussed before |
| 13:59.34 | sztanpet | Corgrath for gods sake, all of your ideas are crap and seems like a 16year old made them up without knowing ANYTHING about the technology behind them |
| 13:59.34 | Antiarc | I'm telling you guys, this dude is the guy from Memento, no short-term memory |
| 13:59.35 | Arrowmaster | s/caused/called |
| 13:59.35 | ripdog | Hey guys, I've got a better idea. Let's use usenet. |
| 13:59.43 | nevcairiel | hehe Antiarc |
| 13:59.46 | Arrowmaster | fuck its getting late, i need to sleep soon |
| 14:00.03 | krka | some sort of peer2peer rsync would be cool though |
| 14:00.03 | nevcairiel | ripdog: doesnt that kinda suck for addons that don't get update often? retention and all? |
| 14:00.20 | Corgrath | has developed a bittorent-ish solution based on FTP |
| 14:00.48 | sztanpet | sounds awesomely innovative |
| 14:00.49 | Gnarfoz | definitely insane. |
| 14:00.49 | Corgrath | each clients has an ftp server open for incoming connections (leechers) and the ftp are seeders |
| 14:00.50 | Antiarc | It's 1993 all over again! |
| 14:01.00 | Arrowmaster | krka: ive suggested to use zsync recently but i dont think curse has investigated it yet |
| 14:01.09 | Antiarc | Corgrath: I believe we call that a "clustered server". |
| 14:01.11 | krka | interesting |
| 14:01.28 | Antiarc | It's quite common. You might look into CDNs. They're quite profitable. |
| 14:01.33 | Corgrath | Antiarc: its cloud computing since its a bittorrent-ish solution. |
| 14:01.39 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 14:01.41 | Antiarc | It's not bittorrentish in the sleightest. |
| 14:01.43 | Arrowmaster | NO ITS NOT |
| 14:01.56 | Arrowmaster | bittorrent has nothing to do with cloud computing |
| 14:01.56 | ripdog | nevcairiel: i was just trolling, don't mind me. Turns out i'm bad at it too. :( |
| 14:01.59 | Antiarc | Seriously. Google CDN. Your idea has been done and is what Curse already uses to distribute addons. |
| 14:02.07 | Arrowmaster | stop being a mass market media buzzword shill |
| 14:02.11 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r5 SyncFriends.lua: Factorise code from getPool and flushPool. |
| 14:02.13 | Repo | Make flushPool emit a log so user knows something happened. |
| 14:02.15 | Antiarc | IT'S IN TEH CLOUDZ |
| 14:02.43 | Wobin | Subdino, man.. that just sounds -dirty- |
| 14:02.51 | Subdino | Wobin: ? |
| 14:02.52 | Groktar | Antiarc |
| 14:03.06 | Wobin | Subdino, <Repo> Make flushPool emit a log so user knows something happened. |
| 14:03.06 | *** join/#wowace kd3|hate`net (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 14:03.06 | Groktar | i've got an even better idea for addon distribution |
| 14:03.09 | Arrowmaster | krka: imho zsync is an optimal solution but to really work it needs gzip'ed files instead of .zip's |
| 14:03.13 | Wobin | I think I've seen that at a sewerage outlet |
| 14:03.14 | Groktar | it's totally awesome |
| 14:03.21 | Groktar | MAGIC! |
| 14:03.25 | Subdino | Wobin: it's supposed to be called by user, not as a leaf function |
| 14:03.30 | Corgrath | So far wowmatrix is the only one who is even slightly remotely interested, ckknight left the discussion in pm |
| 14:03.39 | krka | let's do a paradigm shifts to get synergy effects with mashups! |
| 14:03.42 | ripdog | Arrowmaster: Everyone and their dog supports gzip, what's the difficulty here? |
| 14:03.43 | Antiarc | Well, good luck with it. |
| 14:03.58 | Antiarc | Don't expect the support of most any of the authors here. |
| 14:04.03 | Wobin | Make sure you get WM to sign a NDA! |
| 14:04.07 | Arrowmaster | ripdog: addons are commonly in zip files not tgz |
| 14:04.08 | Subdino | I believe it's better to respond something to a slash command... or maybe there is a more abstract way to give that feedback |
| 14:04.10 | Wobin | cause they're conniving bastards! |
| 14:04.23 | Corgrath | ive asked them to reply on my NDA mail. |
| 14:04.28 | Gnarfoz | Corgrath: WM is only interested because their current stuff sucks ass and they're desperate. Please keep trying to pitch your idea to them, maybe they'll bankrupt on it and disappear for good. |
| 14:04.43 | Wobin | Corgrath, personally I'd not trust WM further than I could get my mother to throw them |
| 14:04.51 | ripdog | Arrowmaster: Surely curse can repackage them automatically? Not to mention the only thing making zips on wowace is the packager |
| 14:04.56 | Corgrath | dude, with my idea, WM will go pass curse |
| 14:04.56 | Wobin | but, good luck! |
| 14:04.59 | Antiarc | Personally I think that Corgrath and WM are a great match |
| 14:05.24 | sztanpet | pass curse on what Corgrath? |
| 14:05.29 | Arrowmaster | ripdog: right which is the only major backend change needed to support zsync, but it is kinda a big change |
| 14:05.32 | Antiarc | Bandwidth! Downloads! Awesomness! |
| 14:05.34 | Bruners | Corgrath: to be better than curse you need users and authors making addons for the users |
| 14:05.36 | sztanpet | downloads? using bandwidth? |
| 14:05.38 | Antiarc | (It's pretty easy to be awesome with no content) |
| 14:06.06 | ripdog | Arrowmaster: Still, surely the bandwidth savings would be worth the effort? |
| 14:06.25 | Arrowmaster | imho they would |
| 14:06.39 | *** join/#wowace Odlaw (n=ozzy@c-98-245-3-204.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 14:06.49 | Bruners | which is where wowmatrix is failing, they have users but far less authors supporting them |
| 14:07.05 | Groktar | what about my idea of using magic for distribution? |
| 14:07.10 | Wobin | I like it |
| 14:07.16 | Antiarc | I totally dig that. |
| 14:07.21 | Arrowmaster | since zsync is basically rsync but using a static http server instead of an rsync server eating lots of resources |
| 14:07.34 | Groktar | imagine the bandwidth savings |
| 14:07.38 | Antiarc | If you could get pre-cognitive addon development into your magic client, that would be perfect |
| 14:07.45 | ripdog | Best idea ever, feel free to make a reference implementation |
| 14:07.49 | Antiarc | So that it installs the addons I want before I know I want them, or before they're even written. |
| 14:08.19 | Subdino | Codayus_: just saw your message. what error ? |
| 14:08.32 | Groktar | i think that's going to work Antiarc |
| 14:09.18 | Subdino | Codayus_: also, I would like to hear about option layout that you would feel more natural than the current (I feel the current is not good, without knowing how I can improve it) |
| 14:09.32 | Corgrath | sztanpet: i have a kick-ass idea concerning addon-update, but i need.. addons |
| 14:10.08 | Arrowmaster | which you wont ever get |
| 14:10.25 | sztanpet | Corgrath great, why are you against clients then |
| 14:10.37 | Arrowmaster | isnt your idea a client? |
| 14:10.52 | *** join/#wowace Beladona (n=Beladona@97.97.212.0) |
| 14:10.55 | Wobin | It's totally not. |
| 14:11.02 | Wobin | It's totally facebook and myspace |
| 14:11.09 | Bruners | maby its a server |
| 14:11.18 | sztanpet | maybe its a rainbow |
| 14:11.26 | ripdog | server -> server addon upgrades, sounds like a mirror :O |
| 14:11.30 | *** join/#wowace Industrial (n=industri@205.189.72.45) |
| 14:11.34 | Industrial | apparently I need to see this. |
| 14:11.38 | Antiarc | Almost like a network that distributes content! |
| 14:11.42 | sztanpet | hahah |
| 14:11.46 | Antiarc | We could call it...a content distribution network! |
| 14:11.48 | Antiarc | It will be epic. |
| 14:11.48 | ripdog | unless i run curse client on my windows server computer, does that make it a mirror? |
| 14:12.29 | Industrial | I hope its decentralised, is it Web 2.0 Capable? Who's going to make this I want in. |
| 14:12.53 | Wobin | It's CLOUD |
| 14:12.54 | nevcairiel | you |
| 14:12.57 | Subdino | ripdog: windows are mirors, except they don't reflect until dirty enough |
| 14:13.05 | nevcairiel | you're so full of innovative names today, Antiarc! |
| 14:13.07 | nevcairiel | i want in! |
| 14:13.27 | Beladona | will it do my laundry? |
| 14:13.28 | krka | once again cloud technology pays off for the hungry investor |
| 14:13.39 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: Just wait until I tell you about my idea for a markup language for hyper-text documents. |
| 14:13.39 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r6646 Locales/deDE.lua: deDE update |
| 14:13.46 | krka | it's all so complicated with the clouds and the facebooks and the lies upon lies |
| 14:14.00 | Industrial | it better be written for multiple cores, are you going to write it in scala? |
| 14:14.18 | Antiarc | Nah, scala won't scale. Has to be COBOL, man. That's what all the big houses use. |
| 14:14.35 | Corgrath | Yea |
| 14:14.53 | Arrowmaster | sadly thats true, i know companies looking for COBOL programmers |
| 14:14.56 | Corgrath | Anyone new here who knows where i can find addons for my service? |
| 14:15.05 | Arrowmaster | nowhere |
| 14:15.10 | Arrowmaster | because you wont get any |
| 14:15.11 | Beladona | what service |
| 14:15.17 | Industrial | if you use scheme it will make you look like an academic nerd thats got the next best thing, I think thats a better option! |
| 14:15.21 | Wobin | He's joining forces with WowMatrix |
| 14:15.28 | Beladona | uhh, I wouldn't |
| 14:15.35 | Corgrath | Beladona: ive figured out a cool and better service, but i need a source of addons. |
| 14:15.42 | ripdog | just leech them from wowi, they don't mind |
| 14:15.49 | Bruners | hi Industrial ! :) |
| 14:15.49 | ckknight | and I'm back after a sexy party |
| 14:15.50 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 14:15.51 | Industrial | ripdog: o no you didnt |
| 14:15.53 | Antiarc | (Hint: he's discovered CDNs) |
| 14:15.55 | Beladona | the major stumbling block in your idea is that you need the permission of the addon authors |
| 14:15.57 | Corgrath | Beladona: so far only wowmatrix is interested in the idea, which will generate lots of money |
| 14:16.01 | Industrial | Bruners: hi :) |
| 14:16.04 | Beladona | and the addon authors won't do i unless they have control of distribution |
| 14:16.28 | Arrowmaster | Beladona: after 6 hours he still hasnt gotten that part through his tiny little brain |
| 14:16.30 | Wobin | Beladona, oh noes, the human factor! |
| 14:16.38 | Beladona | taking the author out of the distribution process is a horrible idea |
| 14:16.41 | Beladona | and breaks a lot of things |
| 14:16.41 | krka | 1) clouds + bittorrent + facebook + wow addons |
| 14:16.43 | krka | 2) ??? |
| 14:16.45 | ckknight | agreed, Beladona |
| 14:16.45 | krka | 3) profit! |
| 14:17.12 | Corgrath | But seriously, what should i do? :( i have a good idea, but i need addons |
| 14:17.20 | Beladona | you need to market it |
| 14:17.23 | Beladona | to authors |
| 14:17.27 | Bruners | Corgrath: why do you need addons to build your idea? |
| 14:17.29 | Beladona | and expect to begin slow |
| 14:17.35 | Antiarc | Add in some AJAX and a little bit of synergy, and you have got a dynamic team-building strategic partnership that will launch profits through the stratosphere. |
| 14:17.36 | Bruners | Corgrath: if it is any good addons will come to you in time |
| 14:17.41 | Corgrath | Bruners: no, my idea is final. I need addons to make it work. |
| 14:17.46 | ckknight | fun thing: Curse distributes addons through a CDN already. |
| 14:17.49 | Industrial | imho, an addon site could just as well be a big index for a lot of different registered github/siteX repos, nothing else, no accounts no managers no downloads no nothing. |
| 14:17.52 | Industrial | but hey, whoami |
| 14:17.57 | Bruners | Corgrath: so, where can i upload my addons ? |
| 14:17.59 | Wobin | ur Industrial |
| 14:18.02 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Build the damn thing, if the addon authors like it, they'll use it. If not, your idea isn't as good as you think. |
| 14:18.02 | nevcairiel | ideas are never final, they evolve during practical usage |
| 14:18.06 | Corgrath | Bruners: thats the problem. |
| 14:18.19 | Beladona | why not aggregate addons? meaning a listing, but not the actual files? |
| 14:18.19 | Bruners | Corgrath: the the idea isnt final |
| 14:18.27 | Corgrath | So your suggestion is to create yet another addon-host site??? |
| 14:18.27 | Beladona | and downloads send you to the actual site |
| 14:18.29 | Corgrath | Bruners: yea, but i need addons. |
| 14:18.30 | Industrial | Bruners: thats what im saying |
| 14:18.35 | Industrial | Beladona: ^ |
| 14:18.53 | nevcairiel | can we finally be done with this anyway? |
| 14:18.56 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Bandwidth isn't free. Curse pays an awful lot of money to distribute their addons. I don't expect you're going to find them willing to just throw money at you for no return. |
| 14:18.57 | nevcairiel | i like the channel quiet |
| 14:19.00 | Beladona | which to be honest can be accomplished via rss anyway, but you know |
| 14:19.02 | Industrial | Beladona: you can probably use the api to forward/link to zips of latest branch versions and offer zips on the main site too |
| 14:19.11 | Corgrath | Antiarc: what is my solution then? |
| 14:19.13 | ripdog | Antiarc: not true. It has to be adequate and well-advertised. Vast amounts of good ideas get dumped thorugh lack of exposure ;) |
| 14:19.20 | Beladona | I was worried about stealing ad revenue Industrial |
| 14:19.24 | Bruners | nevcairiel: /mode +m #wowace | /mode +v Bruners |
| 14:19.26 | Beladona | otherwise totally |
| 14:19.47 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Raise money, fund it yourself, or sell your idea. |
| 14:20.14 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Bruners] by ckknight |
| 14:20.28 | Industrial | omg, dont leave me out! |
| 14:20.35 | Corgrath | i just need an portable SMTP server too, so i can bundle it with my solution :S |
| 14:20.41 | *** mode/#wowace [-v Industrial] by ckknight |
| 14:20.52 | Antiarc | ....and this is lighter than a client. |
| 14:20.56 | Industrial | =[ |
| 14:21.01 | ripdog | oh man, addon distribution thorugh email, it's awesome |
| 14:21.10 | Antiarc | You realize that pretty much all consumer broadband providers block port 25, right? |
| 14:21.15 | Corgrath | check your inbox each friday for updates |
| 14:21.15 | ckknight | s/awesome/horribly flawed/ |
| 14:21.17 | Groktar | going to be so much easier than pressing update in curse client |
| 14:21.24 | Groktar | right? |
| 14:21.32 | FtH|Daemona | anyone here got experience with basic circuit board design? |
| 14:21.32 | Corgrath | diectly to your inbox |
| 14:21.37 | Industrial | make it email every diff/patch in a different mail! |
| 14:21.40 | ckknight | client is so much easier than email |
| 14:21.43 | Antiarc | Email is a horribly latent solution. |
| 14:21.49 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r47 / (2 files in 1 directory): AspectInspect: - |
| 14:21.50 | Repo | Slight changes for update of WOW |
| 14:21.50 | Wobin | Antiarc, Google WAVE IT |
| 14:21.57 | Beladona | can I ask something? |
| 14:21.58 | Corgrath | ckknight: i am here if you want to listen to my idea.. |
| 14:22.00 | Industrial | sci-fives Wobin |
| 14:22.04 | Industrial | Wobin: so about that incite |
| 14:22.07 | ripdog | solves the issue of version detection, though, you have to admit |
| 14:22.07 | Antiarc | Wobin: Oh man. I bow to you, master. |
| 14:22.08 | Industrial | invite, even |
| 14:22.10 | Beladona | why do we need another service? what about the existing sites fails? |
| 14:22.22 | ckknight | Corgrath: your idea is horribly flawed. |
| 14:22.22 | Wobin | Industrial, surely, once we get some more =( |
| 14:22.29 | Corgrath | ckknight: seriously? |
| 14:22.35 | Subdino | it has a superb positive point: it will lower the total percentage of bandwith used by spam... by increasing the total bandwith use great time. yay |
| 14:22.36 | Beladona | users won't begin using your service unless you can provide something that the others sites don't do, or provide what they do better |
| 14:22.36 | ckknight | yes. |
| 14:22.47 | Corgrath | ckknight: my idea is so kick-ass it will ruin curse |
| 14:22.49 | Industrial | Wobin: ;o hope wave invites are spreading like wildfire :p |
| 14:22.56 | Wobin | they're really really not =( |
| 14:22.58 | ckknight | then please try, Corgrath |
| 14:23.00 | Antiarc | Corgrath: Best of luck with it. I look forward to seeing it! |
| 14:23.14 | Industrial | you get 10 every week or something? or does google still release them in waves (:p) |
| 14:23.21 | Subdino | also, everybody needs a new set of non-administrated smtp servers on home computers |
| 14:23.28 | Corgrath | yea |
| 14:23.28 | Wobin | Industrial, waves |
| 14:23.33 | Wobin | I haven't gotten any invites yet |
| 14:23.41 | *** join/#wowace ZorbaBeta (i=tocohl@maximilian.pavlovian.net) |
| 14:23.45 | Industrial | my boss has an account, no invites yet :\ |
| 14:24.01 | Antiarc | Subdino: Man, 11 million unsecured SMTP servers running on home machines sounds like an amazing idea |
| 14:24.01 | Corgrath | ckknight: why didnt you go with a java solution? |
| 14:24.02 | Bruners | Corgrath: you need to show curse/wowint or what ever page you want to sell your idea to that it works, to do that you have to set up a working page with your idea showing them the benefit of using your idea |
| 14:24.09 | Antiarc | Though Corgrath is right, that would generate a ton of money! |
| 14:24.20 | Corgrath | Bruners: but they can steal my idea in a heartbreak |
| 14:24.23 | Subdino | toward nigeria |
| 14:24.27 | Antiarc | Spam botnets are super profitable |
| 14:24.28 | ckknight | Corgrath: because the main developer knows .NET a lot better, and Java-based client deployment is a lot more brittle and would've taken far longer. |
| 14:24.31 | Beladona | putting an smtp server on every desktop wouldn't provide an easy way for virus distribution. No sirt |
| 14:24.33 | Beladona | sir* |
| 14:24.39 | Bruners | java is crap |
| 14:24.46 | ckknight | that too |
| 14:24.47 | Corgrath | ckknight: I seriously asking you to listen to me. Seriously. |
| 14:24.48 | ckknight | I <3 LINQ |
| 14:24.51 | Wobin | it's multiplatform |
| 14:24.52 | Wobin | but yes |
| 14:24.54 | Wobin | it's terrible =( |
| 14:25.03 | ckknight | Corgrath: I've heard enough. |
| 14:25.03 | Wobin | agrees wholeheartedly with ckknight |
| 14:25.04 | Bruners | Corgrath: so you dont want to show them the idea but you want them to use it ? |
| 14:25.05 | Antiarc | We've been seriously listening to you for the past six hours, and you continue to be more and more ridiculous. |
| 14:25.08 | ripdog | ckknight: brittle? Don't know about you, but java web start is pretty damn slick for me, pity java is so slow |
| 14:25.23 | Mikk | I fail to see the point since the curse client exists and works |
| 14:25.28 | Corgrath | ckknight: What did i write to you in pm? |
| 14:25.28 | krka | nah, java isn't slow |
| 14:25.29 | Mikk | Having it in java wouldn't make it better |
| 14:25.33 | Antiarc | Mikk: Not magic enough. |
| 14:25.42 | Mikk | Same end user experience |
| 14:25.43 | krka | not sure why everyone thinks java is slow |
| 14:25.45 | Wobin | krka, Sure, if it's programmed well |
| 14:25.46 | Antiarc | Java's a lot faster than it used to be. |
| 14:25.56 | Wobin | but the number of java programmers that can program well is about... 20% |
| 14:25.57 | krka | Wobin: that goes for all programs |
| 14:26.09 | Antiarc | Java was massively dog-slow back when it was supposed to be the second coming of Christ, and the impression has stuck. |
| 14:26.12 | Wobin | krka, nah, stuff like .Net is more forgiving |
| 14:26.25 | krka | forgiving of what? |
| 14:26.28 | Wobin | noobs |
| 14:26.33 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: i think a stray % character got into that figure, dont you mean 20 |
| 14:26.40 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, =P |
| 14:26.44 | krka | funny Arrowmaster! |
| 14:26.56 | krka | i wonder how many java bashers actually know java well |
| 14:27.08 | Wobin | I don't deny there are some good java programmer that can make the JVM sit up and dance |
| 14:27.20 | ckknight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Java_and_C_Sharp |
| 14:27.31 | Wobin | they're just few and far between all the other java programmers out there =( |
| 14:27.56 | Subdino | I guess that if you include in "java programmers" each CS student which happened to have a java course, the percentage will implode |
| 14:28.00 | Wobin | ckknight, is that article biased in any way? |
| 14:28.01 | Arrowmaster | because java is used as a college programming language so everybodys a fucking java programmer |
| 14:28.11 | ckknight | Wobin: not really, it's been very fair to both sides. |
| 14:28.16 | Antiarc | People who are "java programmers" tend to have one hammer, and the world looks like a nail to them. :P |
| 14:28.41 | Antiarc | As opposed to programmers who use Java |
| 14:29.00 | ripdog | Antiarc: In other words, you can destroy the world with java. |
| 14:29.27 | Bruners | i had a java course, cant say im good at java or choose to call me a java-programmer |
| 14:30.56 | *** mode/#wowace [+b *!*@253-232-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se] by ckknight |
| 14:30.56 | *** kick/#wowace [Corgrath!n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight] by ckknight (ckknight) |
| 14:31.14 | sztanpet | lets rejoice now |
| 14:31.26 | sztanpet | anything specific that triggered it ckk? |
| 14:31.27 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:31.31 | ckknight | yes, sztanpet |
| 14:31.32 | Antiarc | Chronic stupidity? |
| 14:31.38 | Arrowmaster | probably annoying pm's |
| 14:31.40 | Wobin | personal threats? |
| 14:31.45 | nevcairiel | he'll threaten you even more now |
| 14:31.46 | *** join/#wowace Kazie (n=Kazie@port207.ds1-vg.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 14:31.49 | Antiarc | The guy's a first-class tool :P |
| 14:31.50 | ckknight | basically, he kept telling me in PMs that what he was saying in #wowace was lies to confuse people |
| 14:31.52 | sztanpet | nah that wouldnt be enough of a reason as it wasnt enough up until this point |
| 14:31.55 | Antiarc | Hahahah. |
| 14:32.00 | Antiarc | THROW US OFF THE SCENT |
| 14:32.03 | sztanpet | oh god |
| 14:32.04 | sztanpet | :D |
| 14:32.05 | Wobin | a RED HERRING |
| 14:32.06 | ckknight | so I see him as a highly immoral person |
| 14:32.20 | Arrowmaster | can i site ban him? |
| 14:32.21 | ckknight | or at least unethical |
| 14:32.24 | nevcairiel | He was successfull though, we now think he is a complete moron |
| 14:32.24 | ckknight | yes, Archarodim |
| 14:32.27 | ckknight | Arrowmaster* |
| 14:32.33 | Arrowmaster | SWEET! |
| 14:32.34 | ckknight | he is a complete moron |
| 14:32.34 | Antiarc | ckknight: I lied to you. I don't really want to jump your bones next Friday. :( |
| 14:32.36 | sztanpet | :D |
| 14:32.42 | ckknight | even in PMs |
| 14:32.50 | ckknight | Antiarc: ...but I had my hopes up |
| 14:32.53 | krka | i find it silly to judge a language based on the number of people who are unskilled using it |
| 14:33.06 | sztanpet | even php? :D |
| 14:33.13 | Antiarc | I'm only doing it because I had a bet with the popular kids in school that I couldn't take you to prom! |
| 14:33.15 | nevcairiel | for lack of better reasons :P |
| 14:33.17 | Wobin | krka, It's more based on personal usage of programs programmed in java |
| 14:33.23 | Wobin | for me, opinionwise anyway |
| 14:33.35 | Wobin | Antiarc, Oh no. |
| 14:33.40 | ckknight | krka: the problem I have with Java vs. C#/.NET is that Java seems to have stagnated for the most part, whereas C#/.NET has so many cool things going for it that Java lacks at this point in time. |
| 14:33.51 | nevcairiel | I'm nopt a big fan of desktop apps in java |
| 14:33.51 | krka | sure, java has stagnated a bit, i concur |
| 14:33.52 | Wobin | Antiarc, ckknight will take off his glass and unpin his hair and you'll realise what you've missed out on! |
| 14:33.58 | Antiarc | Wobin: :O |
| 14:33.59 | krka | but it's still a very good language |
| 14:34.04 | Antiarc | My biggest problem with Java is the zealots. |
| 14:34.07 | nevcairiel | but i'm working in a J2EE environment now, and i don't hate it really :P |
| 14:34.18 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/profiles/corgrath/ |
| 14:34.18 | ripdog | But you all know you REALLY want to make an addon client in python |
| 14:34.20 | ckknight | krka: but I want properties and lambdas and LINQ and extension methods |
| 14:34.21 | Arrowmaster | muahaha |
| 14:34.25 | Wobin | nevcairiel, You sekritly do, you're just hiding it to maintain sanity =) |
| 14:34.40 | Arrowmaster | i love banning idiots |
| 14:34.42 | nevcairiel | tbh its not a classical J2EE approach |
| 14:34.46 | nevcairiel | so its better |
| 14:35.07 | ripdog | Arrowmaster: You just admitted to him that he succeeded. |
| 14:35.07 | nevcairiel | EJBs are from the devil |
| 14:35.15 | ripdog | He has won. |
| 14:35.22 | Arrowmaster | i dont care he cant use wowace ever again |
| 14:35.24 | Wobin | curse is doomed |
| 14:35.35 | ckknight | o noes! |
| 14:35.38 | *** join/#wowace taleden (n=atfrase@user-38q41i6.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 14:35.52 | ripdog | Until he realises he can change his ip and register a new account :) |
| 14:35.59 | Antiarc | Oh man |
| 14:36.09 | nevcairiel | did you do an ip ban too Arrowmaster? how mean :P |
| 14:36.10 | Antiarc | Shadowmourne is going to be even more imbalanced than warglaives |
| 14:36.10 | Wobin | we should just siteban sweden =) |
| 14:36.17 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: do i didnt |
| 14:36.29 | Arrowmaster | need wildcard email bans |
| 14:36.41 | Arrowmaster | fuck i really cant type right now |
| 14:36.46 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: no i didnt |
| 14:37.38 | Bruners | siteban swedes! |
| 14:37.48 | ripdog | Wobin: Sweden is cool, you're just jealous! D: |
| 14:37.50 | Antiarc | We should just add a captcha |
| 14:38.03 | Antiarc | Do you like meatballs? [ ] Yes [ ] No |
| 14:38.06 | Antiarc | (Yes is an autoban) |
| 14:38.20 | Bruners | Antiarc: chicken or cow meatballs ? |
| 14:38.20 | Wobin | Tekkub would be booted =( |
| 14:38.25 | ripdog | Antiarc: *look of disapproval* |
| 14:38.36 | Bruners | Antiarc: or even pig |
| 14:38.39 | ckknight | meatball subs are delicious |
| 14:38.47 | ckknight | and spaghetti and meatballs |
| 14:38.49 | ckknight | om nom nom |
| 14:39.05 | Bruners | i was planning to make spaghetti and meatballs |
| 14:39.15 | Bruners | made of turkey |
| 14:39.25 | ckknight | krka: I also really like the yield statement, which Java sadly lacks. |
| 14:39.55 | Antiarc | C# has ruby-style blocks? :O |
| 14:39.58 | ckknight | krka: I think it's sad that java is available on more platforms and yet stagnates whereas .NET is pretty much Windows-only and is thriving so well |
| 14:40.00 | ckknight | sure does, Antiarc |
| 14:40.10 | Antiarc | Holy carps, I need to start using it again then. |
| 14:40.16 | Antiarc | Because that's my favorite feature of Ruby bar none |
| 14:40.17 | krka | isn't yield mostly a huge hack for something that's close to but not quite coroutines? |
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| 14:40.29 | ckknight | krka: yes, it's fucking awesome. |
| 14:40.42 | nevcairiel | java has real threading, isnt that good enough? :P |
| 14:41.01 | krka | java has kahlua, which has real coroutines :) |
| 14:41.03 | Arrowmaster | im fucking going to sleep |
| 14:41.04 | ckknight | Antiarc: new[] { 1, 2, 3, 4 }.Select(x => x * x) |
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| 14:41.20 | ckknight | Antiarc: that's lambda fun. |
| 14:41.28 | Wobin | <3 lambdas |
| 14:41.31 | Antiarc | Nice. |
| 14:41.36 | krka | yeah, lambdas would be nice to have in java |
| 14:41.41 | Wobin | lamda and LINQ have made my life so much easier |
| 14:41.47 | ckknight | Antiarc: to have statement-style blocks (rather than expression), it's new[] { 1, 2, 3, 4 }.Select(x => { return x * x }) |
| 14:41.53 | krka | overall though, i haven't run in to any real problems that are making me unproductive in java |
| 14:42.13 | ckknight | krka: yea, I just like all the fun features :P |
| 14:42.39 | Wobin | var argle = from f in MyCollection where f.count > 4 select new { counter = f.count, name = f.name } |
| 14:43.02 | ckknight | I prefer the fluent syntax |
| 14:43.15 | Wobin | true |
| 14:43.18 | Wobin | either or |
| 14:43.27 | ckknight | var argle = MyCollection.Where(f => f.count > 4).Select(f => new { counter = f.count, name = f.name }) |
| 14:43.27 | Wobin | depends on how complex the query is |
| 14:43.50 | ckknight | Wobin: *shrug* even with complexity, my mind works better with the fluent syntax |
| 14:43.56 | Wobin | sometimes it's more readable the other way =) |
| 14:44.17 | ckknight | true, at that point it's a matter of taste. |
| 14:44.28 | Wobin | the only issue I have with the sql type syntax is the inability to select firstordefault straight off the bat |
| 14:44.37 | ckknight | hmm |
| 14:44.49 | Wobin | You can wrap it in a ().firstordefault |
| 14:44.55 | Wobin | but that's mixing syntaxes =P |
| 14:45.00 | ckknight | yea. |
| 14:45.19 | Wobin | at which point you might as well go the other way the whole way |
| 14:45.32 | ckknight | Antiarc: one thing I coded for our Cobalt framework is CacheFactory.Instance.Get<int>("cacheKey", () => SomeCalculation()) |
| 14:45.57 | Wobin | I guess, I'd use the sql syntax if I was after a collection, and the direct function calls if I were after a single instance |
| 14:45.58 | ckknight | actually, the <int> is unnecessary, it can infer that from the lambda. |
| 14:46.28 | ckknight | Wobin: yea, I've taken to always using the function calls just to stay consistent with everything |
| 14:46.33 | Wobin | but mostly cause I find the sql syntax 'prettier' |
| 14:47.25 | Wobin | anyway, now the drama is over, I'd better head to bed |
| 14:47.48 | nevcairiel | night wob |
| 14:57.11 | Groktar | can someonebody help me? |
| 14:57.18 | Groktar | i need to update my website to web 2.0. |
| 14:57.37 | [Ammo] | http://www.web20generator.com/ |
| 14:57.42 | [Ammo] | gogogo |
| 14:58.19 | Groktar | omg |
| 14:58.22 | Groktar | that is awesome |
| 14:59.03 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
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| 15:02.14 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r6 SyncFriends.lua: Don't ignore action return value. |
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| 15:19.49 | Bruners | i has donuts |
| 15:20.19 | ripdog | steals donuts |
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| 15:26.17 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r7 SyncFriends.lua: Declare "result" as local (fixes unexpected return values). |
| 15:26.17 | Hjalte | I want donut for my phone :( |
| 15:26.39 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Ammo * r6647 / (3 files in 3 directories): add toggle for bossblock |
| 15:27.54 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r8 SyncFriends.lua: |
| 15:27.54 | Repo | Detect when user has reached the friend list limit, and skip addition (found by Codayus_). |
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| 15:35.35 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Pericles * r48 / (2 files in 1 directory): AspectInspect: - |
| 15:35.37 | Repo | Move Aspect Warning to separate function |
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| 15:37.16 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Pericles * r49 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 15:37.17 | Repo | updated aura = update stats |
| 15:39.28 | jnwhiteh | Guys |
| 15:39.37 | jnwhiteh | I want to write a facebook app, okay? |
| 15:39.53 | nevcairiel | Just do it elsewhere :P |
| 15:40.28 | pompy | haha |
| 15:41.26 | Beladona | as long as the app makes my coffee every morning, you can write it |
| 15:41.41 | quiescens | yay coffee |
| 15:42.14 | Beladona | has anyone checked out the new buff ui code they supposedly added in the latest ptr build? |
| 15:45.31 | [Ammo] | jnwhiteh: omg, will it distribute addons |
| 15:46.27 | nevcairiel | not supposedly, i saw the diff :P |
| 15:46.40 | nevcairiel | but didnt check it out much |
| 15:46.42 | Fisker | guys |
| 15:46.49 | Fisker | i want to write a google wave gadget |
| 15:46.55 | Beladona | guess I will see myself shortly |
| 15:47.05 | Fisker | (Instant success due to not being failbook) |
| 15:47.43 | pompy | ~lart Fisker |
| 15:47.43 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Fisker |
| 15:48.06 | Repo | 10ailo: 03Starfox * r38 Ailo.toc: LibDBIcon, I hate you |
| 15:50.42 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Pericles * r50 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 15:50.44 | Repo | Fixed display of aspect messages |
| 15:50.50 | Repo | 10ailo: 03Starfox 041.0.9b * r39 : Tagging as 1.0.9b |
| 15:53.02 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: will it distribute addons? if so, where can I invest money in this venture? |
| 15:53.06 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Pericles * r51 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 15:53.07 | Repo | typo |
| 15:53.23 | *** join/#wowace Hirsute (n=chatzill@155.97.240.99) |
| 15:53.35 | Gnarfoz | also, Mr. Fiskerson, what good is a Wave gadget to you, when you don't... have a Wave account? :p |
| 15:54.47 | Hirsute | ^^^^^ |
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| 16:01.14 | Fisker | damn |
| 16:01.35 | Fisker | everytime i accidentally skip over the status box and see "[freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp" my heart skips a beat |
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| 16:02.47 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155681279&sid=1 <-W T F |
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| 16:04.08 | Ingela | don't see why taht wouldn't work.. i mean.. you just delete your char.. and then revive it... i mean.. should make you able to log in right?! RIGHT?! |
| 16:04.47 | Groktar | should tell him to do it |
| 16:07.14 | Ingela | "Blizzard has stated that everyone with log in problems shoudl delete their character and then wait for it to come back, and then you should be able to log in. This procedure can take up to 2-3 weeks, so don't worry if you get your character back immedietly. Good Luck! |
| 16:07.16 | Ingela | " |
| 16:08.33 | Groktar | formats Ingela's hard drive and installs windows me |
| 16:08.54 | Ingela | noooooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:08.56 | Ingela | :/ |
| 16:09.25 | Groktar | gets Ingela a job supporting 200 windows me workstations |
| 16:09.35 | Groktar | (by himself) |
| 16:09.57 | Ingela | you're mean |
| 16:10.46 | Subdino | 's head asplodes: 200... win me... "work"stations |
| 16:10.56 | Groktar | you're very busy |
| 16:12.05 | Ingela | guess i gotta be happy, i got a job at least! |
| 16:12.19 | pompy | <12:10:58 PM>[SERVER] This realm is being restarted shortly to address gameplay issues. Thank you for your patience and understanding. |
| 16:12.20 | pompy | hmm |
| 16:12.23 | Hirsute | Subdino: That sounds like the setting of the 9th circle of hell for tech support folks. |
| 16:16.48 | Subdino | I don't want to imagine how it sounds like. I just don't want to imagine 200 wine me boxes in the world. I just don't want to imagine calling such thing a "work"station. |
| 16:17.02 | nevcairiel | Shefki: i can't break my multiline editbox, ever |
| 16:17.56 | nevcairiel | although i agree that the current MLE is a great hackjob :P |
| 16:23.28 | nevcairiel | lua> print(true and unpack({1, 2, 3})) |
| 16:23.29 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1 |
| 16:23.58 | nevcairiel | lua> print(unpack({})) |
| 16:23.58 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: No output |
| 16:24.19 | Mikk | it returns zero arguments |
| 16:24.20 | Mikk | not nil |
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| 16:25.49 | nevcairiel | yeah thats good |
| 16:26.09 | nevcairiel | @ticket wow/ace3 90 |
| 16:26.11 | Repo | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/tickets/90 - AceConfigDialog-Open and feed to custom container error. Reported by: mangeg. Type: Defect. Updated: 8 days ago. Component: AceConfig-3.0. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Assignee: Nevcairiel. Votes: 0. Comments: 0 |
| 16:26.13 | nevcairiel | thats a good catch ^ |
| 16:26.19 | Mikk | lua> function is(a) return a and a or false end; print(is "Fisker" and false or "Mikk" is "cool") |
| 16:26.20 | lua_bot | Mikk: luabot:1: ')' expected near 'is' |
| 16:26.23 | Mikk | bah |
| 16:26.53 | yoshimo | is there a list with all wow-servers and their ips? |
| 16:27.08 | nevcairiel | lua> unpack(nil) |
| 16:27.09 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'unpack' (table expected, got nil) |
| 16:27.45 | Mikk | lua> empty={}; print(unpack(usersuppliedArg or empty)) |
| 16:27.46 | lua_bot | Mikk: No output |
| 16:27.55 | nevcairiel | thats what i'm doing to fix |
| 16:28.40 | Mikk | i blame nargs |
| 16:29.17 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:29.19 | nevcairiel | funny that it never occured earlier |
| 16:29.33 | Mikk | noone went deeper than the first level i guess |
| 16:29.38 | Mikk | cause that works |
| 16:30.33 | Mikk | lua> function barf(ignoreme, ...) print(select("#",...)); end; barf("ladida", unpack({})) |
| 16:30.35 | lua_bot | Mikk: 0 |
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| 16:32.17 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r862 AceConfig-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0.lua: |
| 16:32.20 | Repo | AceConfigDialog-3.0: Fix the unpacking of the basepath arguments when internally calling :Open (Fixes #90) |
| 16:32.56 | asmodai | yoshimo: EU? |
| 16:33.12 | yoshimo | yes asmodai |
| 16:33.33 | asmodai | You're in luck. |
| 16:33.37 | asmodai | I recently updated it. |
| 16:33.40 | asmodai | http://www.wowwiki.com/EU_English_Realms_Info |
| 16:34.24 | yoshimo | this wont help french german and spanish people unfortunately |
| 16:34.29 | asmodai | Nope. |
| 16:34.35 | asmodai | But |
| 16:35.38 | Fisker | i wouldn't consider that luck asmodai |
| 16:35.40 | Fisker | now die |
| 16:36.09 | asmodai | sells Fisker to the Swedes. |
| 16:37.26 | Fisker | you just ordered a quadrillion liters of milk |
| 16:37.31 | asmodai | yoshimo: mmm, thought there was lists of the others too, but it's only categories. |
| 16:37.33 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r863 AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-ScrollFrame.lua: |
| 16:37.36 | Repo | AceGUI-3.0: Reset the ScrollFrame position when releasing it |
| 16:37.42 | asmodai | Good! I'll let it sour and then pour it down your throat. |
| 16:38.30 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r9 SyncFriends.lua: Fix a typo in NewAddon parameter. |
| 16:40.42 | nevcairiel | wtf is wrong with the wiki editboxes on wowace, whenever i try to edit the text in them, my firefox hangs up |
| 16:42.07 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: What's wrong with your firefox? :) |
| 16:42.18 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 16:42.24 | nevcairiel | maybe its some linux issue |
| 16:42.56 | nevcairiel | sadly its currently my only installed browser |
| 16:43.00 | nevcairiel | i should emerge another one |
| 16:43.34 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03Ackis 07master * Alpha4-18-gd2addac DB/MountDatabase.lua: [+1 commit] Comment out the non-existant flying carpets. Fix the dark talbuks. |
| 16:43.49 | Ackis | ~seen corgath |
| 16:43.51 | purl | Ackis: i haven't seen 'corgath' |
| 16:44.00 | Ackis | ~seen corgrath |
| 16:44.01 | purl | corgrath <n=isntanfu@253-232-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2h 18m 33s ago, saying: 'ckknight: What did i write to you in pm?'. |
| 16:44.29 | ckknight | I kickbanned him |
| 16:44.30 | Ackis | ckknight: my idea is to destroy clients! |
| 16:44.30 | Ackis | I AM THE DESTROYER OF CLIENTS |
| 16:44.43 | nevcairiel | i bet some JS is going bonkers on that box |
| 16:44.45 | Ackis | dude did you see what he said about jnwhiteh? |
| 16:44.48 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r10 SyncFriends.lua: Implement RemoveFriend TODO and factorise with AddFriend. |
| 16:45.00 | ckknight | yea |
| 16:45.09 | ckknight | well, jnwhiteh _is_ a script kiddie |
| 16:45.15 | Ackis | truth |
| 16:45.17 | ckknight | I don't think anyone is denying that |
| 16:45.35 | nevcairiel | but not a kiddie scripter |
| 16:45.37 | nevcairiel | please |
| 16:46.18 | ckknight | correct |
| 16:47.31 | nevcairiel | mm wow is really slow when you're compiling stuff next to it |
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| 16:49.16 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:49.41 | Ackis | zomg it's the script kiddie himself! |
| 16:49.46 | Ackis | how was rowing? |
| 16:49.48 | nevcairiel | somehow i think this new cpu scheduler isnt doing to well for my desktop responsiveness |
| 16:50.06 | Bruners | Ackis: he was just saying that to confuse us |
| 16:50.14 | Bruners | Ackis: to hide his real plan |
| 16:50.29 | Ackis | lol |
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| 16:54.47 | digmouse | any one got a black screen after PTR 10676? |
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| 16:55.33 | yoshimo | the bakcground of the loginscreen turned black yes |
| 16:56.03 | Fisker | so you kickbanned on him being right ckknight |
| 16:56.18 | Fisker | btw if you kick, ban or don't then i'm right |
| 16:56.33 | ckknight | I kickbanned him because he was a douchebag |
| 16:56.38 | nevcairiel | yoshimo: yeah i noticed that too, when you go to the char list and come back, the animation is back, though |
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| 17:01.30 | digmouse | bliz broke everything |
| 17:01.54 | digmouse | maybe next build we'll find the login screen turns cataclysm |
| 17:02.29 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r11 SyncFriends.lua: |
| 17:02.31 | Repo | There is no point in refusing user to register a player for skip if not known already. |
| 17:06.36 | Zhinjio|sleeeep | casts Avoid Hangover on himself. |
| 17:08.04 | Fisker | slaps digmouse around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:08.09 | Fisker | the loginscreen comes back |
| 17:09.30 | digmouse | casts Divine Shield and Retaliation |
| 17:10.03 | Fisker | you wouldn't download a car |
| 17:10.14 | digmouse | carbonite |
| 17:10.30 | Fisker | you wouldn't steal ckknight as an infant baby |
| 17:10.39 | Fisker | then shoot him |
| 17:10.44 | digmouse | ck steals you |
| 17:11.17 | Fisker | you wouldn't go to the toilet in DRM |
| 17:11.52 | Fisker | you wouldn't kick a turd |
| 17:12.45 | Fisker | (Kicking me with the reason "Yes i would" does not qualify) |
| 17:15.36 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Pericles * r52 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 17:15.37 | Repo | refactored aspectwarning to remove unneeded locals |
| 17:16.07 | digmouse | bazinga! |
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| 17:24.49 | Bruners | Fisker: i would download a car if i could |
| 17:26.35 | yoshimo | has anyone seen transcriptor actually logging something with "["INSTANCE_ENCOUNTER_ENGAGE_UNIT"] = "ENGAGE"," ? |
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| 17:27.46 | Fisker | would you download a baby and put it in the recycle bin Bruners? |
| 17:29.20 | Industrial | Fisker: I'd download your mom |
| 17:29.38 | Industrial | sci-fives Bruners |
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| 17:33.21 | Fisker | i don't feel so well Industrial |
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| 17:35.57 | Industrial | thats because you are one sick puppy |
| 17:41.00 | Groktar | gets Industrial a job implementing corgath's leet addon distribution system |
| 17:46.23 | Zhinjio|sleeeep | in the cloud! |
| 17:49.30 | Industrial | im already in the clouds |
| 17:49.37 | Industrial | as a kite. |
| 17:50.14 | Groktar | oh wow |
| 17:50.21 | Groktar | i remember why i stopped wearing jeans like 5 years ago |
| 17:50.31 | Groktar | pinch ur nutz |
| 17:57.17 | Mikk | that they do |
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| 18:00.07 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r12 SyncFriends.lua: |
| 18:00.09 | Repo | Hooking RemoveFriend requires to allow AceHook to act on secure functions (was lost in r10). |
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| 18:01.00 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r13 SyncFriends.lua: |
| 18:01.01 | Repo | Inline global- and char-level option groups so they are visible at the same time in the configuration panel. |
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| 18:05.09 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r53 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 18:05.11 | Repo | Tweaked DragonHawk checker |
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| 18:06.45 | KriLL3 | oh wow, now the curse client won't download more than 2 addons at a time, and it got a huge ad at all times for the premium version |
| 18:09.11 | Hjalte | KriLL3: It shouldnt have an ad in the premium version. |
| 18:09.33 | KriLL3 | Hjalte: ohrly?... |
| 18:09.55 | KriLL3 | gone from a useful tool to a "we want your money!" nag app |
| 18:12.42 | asmodai | KriLL3: Well, you don't want to know the bandwidth involved. |
| 18:12.48 | asmodai | And that ain't free. |
| 18:13.07 | KriLL3 | true, but a huge ad in the corner at all times? come on. |
| 18:15.05 | asmodai | Well, if you don't like it, don't use it :P |
| 18:15.12 | KriLL3 | and each options panel has some option with a huge "premium only" banner next to it, and the start tutorial thing has a lot of "available in premium" mentions, and a huge "do you want to get premium?" thing at the end |
| 18:15.16 | Repo | 10ailo: 03Starfox 041.0.9 * r40 : |
| 18:15.18 | Repo | Tagging as 1.0.9, now with the right path to LibDBIcon in the .toc |
| 18:15.32 | KriLL3 | asmodai: well it was a lot better before, that's my main gripe |
| 18:16.23 | KriLL3 | and it should let you use it non premium without jabbing you in the site every 5 seconds about getting the premium version |
| 18:16.27 | KriLL3 | *side |
| 18:16.35 | Hjalte | KriLL3: I believe they are working on adjusting the client to the size of the banner. It does look kind of malplaced now. |
| 18:16.39 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Pericles * r54 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 18:16.41 | Repo | Added playing of sound files with warnings |
| 18:16.58 | KriLL3 | Hjalte: would be even nicer if you could remove it in the options |
| 18:17.31 | KriLL3 | don't need to have it there 24/7 |
| 18:17.34 | Zhinjio|sleeeep | does auldlangsyne have native broker compatibility or do I still need to load the fubar2broker crap? |
| 18:18.11 | Zhinjio|sleeeep | I was hoping to avoid having to load that this time around |
| 18:19.47 | SunTsu | Zhinjio|sleeeep: No Broker in it |
| 18:20.10 | Zhinjio | cries big tears |
| 18:28.33 | Zhinjio | so did dominos do something weird that I missed? for some reason my action bar 1 isn't a valid target for dragging spells and stuff onto anymore. |
| 18:28.59 | Tuller | well, did you happen to update to 1.14 without seeing that its for 3.3 only? :P |
| 18:29.02 | Zhinjio | hmm, now I see. |
| 18:29.08 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Auldare 04beta-0.6 * r55 : AspectInspect: - |
| 18:29.17 | Zhinjio | vehicle actions. and yes, thats completely possible. |
| 18:29.31 | Zhinjio | if I move vehicle actions to bar 10 instead of 1, it works. |
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| 18:29.47 | Zhinjio | should I downrev anyway? |
| 18:30.12 | Repo | Added sounds to the warnings of the aspects. |
| 18:30.14 | Repo | Todo- Warnings are spammy right now, have to add throttle. |
| 18:30.22 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r56 AspectInspect.toc: AspectInspect: - |
| 18:32.28 | nevcairiel | Tuller: you're a meany for releasing that already, people don't read! |
| 18:32.49 | Zhinjio | I just forgot to reset my release preference for that back to release |
| 18:32.57 | Tuller | nevcairiel: well the core problem is that there's no 3.3 setting on curseforge/wowace |
| 18:32.58 | Zhinjio | and yeah, I didn't read closely enough |
| 18:33.13 | Tuller | if you go to curse.com to download, it gives you the 3.3 version |
| 18:33.15 | Zhinjio | Tuller: 1.12.1 then? |
| 18:33.19 | Tuller | yep |
| 18:33.22 | Zhinjio | cool |
| 18:33.23 | Zhinjio | thanks |
| 18:33.55 | nevcairiel | Tuller: thats why its so mean to upload it already :D |
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| 18:35.52 | Zhinjio | Tuller: nolib version somewhere, mayhap? |
| 18:36.13 | Zhinjio | ah, cf. nm |
| 18:36.19 | Tuller | huh? :P |
| 18:36.37 | Tuller | I only upload to curseforge, I don't use the repo :P |
| 18:37.01 | Zhinjio | ok. question stands then. do you build a nolib version somewhere? |
| 18:37.08 | Tuller | nope :P |
| 18:37.12 | Zhinjio | alrighty |
| 18:37.29 | nevcairiel | btw i hate you for producing your own silly library for combuctor |
| 18:37.43 | Tuller | you mean the item search thingy? |
| 18:37.48 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 18:37.54 | Tuller | well, bagnon uses it too |
| 18:38.00 | nevcairiel | it broke my combuctor and i had to look for the silly lib |
| 18:38.05 | nevcairiel | didnt you want to ditch one of them? |
| 18:38.25 | Tuller | probably still combuctor |
| 18:38.31 | nevcairiel | nooooo! |
| 18:38.52 | Tuller | one user request is a /find command from bagnon forever |
| 18:38.57 | Tuller | so that would require the search lib too |
| 18:39.20 | Tuller | same thing if I ever implement davey crocket's rocket pockets |
| 18:40.26 | Tuller | also, I have the ability to switch gcode to hg at this point in time |
| 18:42.04 | Tuller | but I don't because of externals :P |
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| 18:44.31 | Repo | 10libfail-1-0: 03mysticalos * r110 LibFail-1.0.lua: |
| 18:44.34 | Repo | Fixed Fail_Deconstructor_Voidzone. Consumption was added but the "Fail_Deconstructor_Voidzone" was not registered in any of the area's it needed to be. (probably do to it's very similar name to the "Fail_Deconstructor_Void" that it got overlooked. |
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| 18:48.33 | Camci | Yo, got a question about Pitbull4, I only see the first line of buffs on my target, the half of the buffs is missing, it doesnst show, i checked options but havent found anything regarding this. |
| 18:48.39 | Camci | anything know what to do? :p |
| 18:48.53 | Camci | anyone* |
| 18:56.44 | Chompers | http://www.yourworldoftext.com/wowace |
| 19:00.08 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r368 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 19:00.10 | Repo | alpha, removed report throttle, added ingame chat spammage to report some special spam lines on the forum. |
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| 19:18.34 | Hjalte | Any nice alternatives (that don't forget to send some messages etc.) to the actual Windows Live Messenger client? It is still borked on Windows 7. |
| 19:18.58 | Stanzilla | pidgin / No |
| 19:19.25 | Hjalte | No to what? |
| 19:20.25 | Stanzilla | borked on win7 |
| 19:21.26 | Hjalte | Oh, but the WLM client is. The task bar creates two buttons for it. |
| 19:22.48 | Stanzilla | oh that..yeah :( |
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| 19:33.24 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r369 BadBoy.lua: |
| 19:33.26 | Repo | re-add a far reduced report throttle (0.5sec) to prevent problems with spam complaints not blocking the spammers chat before more lines come through due to latency. |
| 19:36.37 | Tusk | Camci: how many buff do you display? it's 6 by default i guess |
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| 19:39.43 | Josh | Hello |
| 19:39.47 | Josh | Is Curse Client an open source project? |
| 19:40.35 | nevcairiel | patience, my friend |
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| 19:43.49 | Tusk | what addon can have all windows moveable? |
| 19:44.06 | Ingela | think there's an addon called move everything |
| 19:44.07 | Ingela | or move all |
| 19:44.12 | Ingela | try search for it Tusk |
| 19:46.02 | nevcairiel | move anything :P |
| 19:48.26 | Tusk | i used to use it |
| 19:48.29 | Tusk | long time ago |
| 19:48.48 | Tusk | but it's just to place windows or stuff somwhere else |
| 19:49.53 | stolenlegacy | MoveAnything! WotLK |
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| 19:55.22 | *** mode/#wowace [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
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| 20:11.05 | harl|TruCalling | FluidFrames :x |
| 20:11.19 | Gnarfoz | fluidframes, indeed |
| 20:11.21 | Gnarfoz | MA is bugged anyway |
| 20:11.44 | harl|TruCalling | yes |
| 20:12.11 | Shefki | So I've caught up on all the nonsense that happened while I slept. |
| 20:12.25 | Shefki | First of all. I don't have access to the CC4 source. Hell I'm not even using CC4. |
| 20:12.27 | harl|TruCalling | grats |
| 20:12.36 | Shefki | Nor am I writing a Linux CC. |
| 20:12.47 | harl|TruCalling | cheers |
| 20:14.03 | Shefki | Second of all. I disagree that Java isn't widely being used. Java just isn't popular for end user apps. Crap tons of web based stuff is done in Java anymore. I've actually been rather shocked at how much Java is out there when I've been looking for a job lately. |
| 20:14.19 | Shefki | And I live in the Seattle area. |
| 20:14.39 | Shefki | Which has a ridiculous amount of ex-Microsoft or Microsoft wannabes that use whatever Microsoft makes. |
| 20:14.58 | nevcairiel | Java for web can be so ugly if you use the wrong parts |
| 20:15.01 | nevcairiel | i've had nightmares |
| 20:15.15 | Shefki | Finally, Camci if you're only getting one line then you've got it configured that way. |
| 20:15.23 | nevcairiel | who ever designed EJBs, i want to hurt them |
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| 20:18.08 | Pneumatus | java seems a lot more popular for web apps than people realise, i've been seeing the same w/ jobs as Shefki |
| 20:18.30 | nevcairiel | yeah i'm working in that too now |
| 20:18.43 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: how does QA know which glyphs I can or can not craft while I'm on my AH char? |
| 20:19.32 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: Spring appears to be pretty popular |
| 20:19.40 | nevcairiel | Spring is kinda nice |
| 20:19.45 | nevcairiel | just stay away from EJB |
| 20:19.54 | nevcairiel | I'm working with Spring+Stripes now |
| 20:19.59 | Pneumatus | my new job is Spring |
| 20:20.24 | nevcairiel | Stripes is just a small MVC layer on top of Spring |
| 20:20.54 | Pneumatus | hmm, sounds like something we might be able to put to good use for our management console |
| 20:21.09 | nevcairiel | its really easy to use, and quite handy for small projects |
| 20:21.31 | nevcairiel | stripesframework.org, i think |
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| 20:21.43 | Pneumatus | yeh, just having a look at it now |
| 20:23.36 | nevcairiel | although i dislike all forms of xml configuration |
| 20:23.47 | nevcairiel | but thats not avoidable completly <.< |
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| 20:24.54 | Pneumatus | wtb mysql 5.4 though :< |
| 20:25.08 | nevcairiel | 5.4? o.O |
| 20:25.18 | Zhinjio | Shefki: ping |
| 20:25.35 | nevcairiel | i'm on oracle though, thats kinda nice :P |
| 20:25.43 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Pericles * r57 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 20:25.44 | Repo | force update |
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| 20:26.08 | Pneumatus | 5.4 is in beta atm, but it looks really promising as a decent upgrade, we can't get the performace we need out of 5.1 so we're still sat on 5.0 |
| 20:26.18 | Zhinjio | anyone know if there's a way to attach a kgpanel to a castbar? |
| 20:26.37 | Zhinjio | player's castbar, target, focus, etc. |
| 20:26.38 | nevcairiel | If i had to use a "free" DBMS i would use postgres any day now |
| 20:26.42 | nevcairiel | mysql just drives me nuts |
| 20:27.15 | Pneumatus | well, mysql appears to have a bit more driving force behind it atm, so we're hoping when we need much higher performace out of it it's gonna be reliable still with new updates |
| 20:27.24 | Pneumatus | otherwise we're gonna have to go to postgres |
| 20:27.49 | nevcairiel | noone really knows where mysql is going with all the management changes |
| 20:28.42 | Pneumatus | 5.4 has gone a long way in improving IO for innodb which is what we had problems with in 5.1 |
| 20:30.29 | Shefki | Zhinjio: pong |
| 20:31.20 | Zhinjio | Shefki: how is the player's castbar frame name? Something consistent, or is it another of the frames whose name is constantly recycled? in pb, this is, sorry |
| 20:31.46 | Shefki | Zhinjio: FrameName.CastBar |
| 20:32.04 | Shefki | So for the player PitBull4_Frames_player.CastBar |
| 20:32.24 | Zhinjio | wait, no way. frames are consistently named now???!?!? |
| 20:32.32 | Zhinjio | holy shit on a biscuit |
| 20:32.54 | Zhinjio | I'm so out of touch |
| 20:32.57 | Zhinjio | thanks so much |
| 20:32.59 | Zhinjio | thats huge. |
| 20:33.02 | Primer | Can anyone recommend a decent nuke software for a guild site? I've been tasked with creating a new guild site |
| 20:33.10 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: well, the way i see it, if google can make mysql work for them it must have something to it :P |
| 20:33.13 | Zhinjio | I can parent my kgpanels properly now! |
| 20:33.18 | Primer | One that already has modules for tracking headcount stats, etc |
| 20:34.30 | Pneumatus | Primer: the choice is pretty limited, and you're gonna have to do a lot of hacking if you want something specific |
| 20:34.58 | Pneumatus | guild type CMS are based around DKP usually, so the likes of eqdkp+ and bbdkp etc |
| 20:35.22 | Zhinjio | Shefki: I think I love you. |
| 20:35.22 | Primer | I've setup one long ago, I think it was phpnuke |
| 20:35.27 | Shefki | Zhinjio: The actual secure frame for the unit frames all have logical names. |
| 20:35.40 | Zhinjio | cries tears of joy. |
| 20:35.47 | Shefki | Zhinjio: The subsidiary frames inside them have somewhat random names but they're stored in logical places on the actual unit frame. |
| 20:35.56 | Shefki | Zhinjio: And thank ckknight it's his architecture. |
| 20:36.36 | Zhinjio | well, last time I talked to him about this, I got the "they all have inconsistent names, and are recycled randomly speech and I'm never going to change it so you're screwed" speech. |
| 20:36.42 | Zhinjio | but that was admittedly a long time agio |
| 20:36.43 | Zhinjio | ago |
| 20:37.13 | Zhinjio | in any case, I'm happy about it. Thanks. |
| 20:37.43 | Shefki | Well the frames inside the frame rally are recycled. |
| 20:37.49 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic 07Frozen_Halls * r671 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fixes for Tickets 20 & 21 |
| 20:38.18 | Shefki | So if you're trying to deal with a frame that gets destroyed and recreated or something like that what I told you isn't going to help you much. |
| 20:38.49 | Shefki | If you have CastBar set to autohide then you're going to see recycling. |
| 20:38.55 | Gnarfoz | man, I read that as Frozen_Balls -.- |
| 20:39.28 | Zhinjio | I don't have it set to autohide, but its autohiding. Not sure why, exactly |
| 20:40.21 | Zhinjio | yeah, thats not working. Hmm. Alright, well, its working on normal frames at any rate, which is a huge + |
| 20:42.07 | stolenlegacy | hrm, anyone ever experienced this bug? |
| 20:42.14 | stolenlegacy | malganis, cot4 |
| 20:42.23 | stolenlegacy | he gets to 1 hp, he resets and instantly engages again |
| 20:42.33 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:42.34 | stolenlegacy | then, he stays at 1 hp and continues fighting |
| 20:42.42 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r6648 / (2 files in 2 directories): frFR Update |
| 20:42.44 | Stanzilla | we had that |
| 20:42.47 | stolenlegacy | blizzard owes me a 15 gold repair bill |
| 20:45.13 | stolenlegacy | Stanzilla: was he killable after leaving the instance? |
| 20:45.30 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 20:45.37 | Stanzilla | we got annoyed and left |
| 20:46.18 | stolenlegacy | lol |
| 20:46.25 | stolenlegacy | now arthas is stuck at 1 hp aswell |
| 20:46.27 | stolenlegacy | they're still fighting |
| 20:48.21 | Zhinjio | is UNIT_SPELLCAST_START/STOP the best thing to use to trigger something on the appearance of the castbar or is there a better event? |
| 20:48.43 | Zhinjio | there's also CURRENT_SPELL_CAST_CHANGED |
| 20:48.46 | Zhinjio | which looks like it might do the trick |
| 20:49.03 | Stanzilla | stolenlegacy: yep, neverending story |
| 20:50.44 | Shefki | Zhinjio: You can't really use events like that to know when the castbar is there or not. |
| 20:51.10 | Shefki | For one thing we don't actually do anything with the castbar in rsponse to those events directly. |
| 20:51.35 | Shefki | We take and figure out who is casting what based on those events and then display/hide/update/etc the castbar in an onupdate cycle. |
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| 20:52.11 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 20:52.13 | Shefki | Even if we did there's no guarantee which order the event handlers would be called in anyway. |
| 20:52.31 | Zhinjio | parenting a texture to the PitBull4_Frames_player.CastBar doesn't seem to be working. |
| 20:52.35 | Zhinjio | autohide or not |
| 20:52.51 | Shefki | Shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't have autohide turned on. |
| 20:54.03 | Zhinjio | I'll try again. maybe I mistyped something or whatever |
| 20:54.16 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r58 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 20:54.18 | Repo | Fixed errors with combat checks for pack/cheetah and check if have learnt dragonhawk |
| 20:54.49 | Zhinjio | PitBull4_Frames_player.CastBar |
| 20:54.51 | Zhinjio | correct? |
| 20:54.57 | Shefki | Yup |
| 20:55.13 | Zhinjio | yeah, its definitely not liking that. Lemme reload |
| 20:55.54 | Shefki | it's possible that whatever you're putting that into is just doing _G["PitBull4_Frames_player.CastBar"] |
| 20:55.58 | Shefki | Which won't work. |
| 20:56.22 | Shefki | It'd need to do: _G["PitBull4_Frames_player"]["CastBar"] |
| 20:56.48 | Zhinjio | hmm. I'll dig into its code and see... |
| 20:57.02 | Shefki | But then if whatever you're using absolutely depends on every frame having a directly globally accessible name then it's crap IMHO |
| 20:59.14 | Axodious | hey, i want to put a warning somewhere on my screen that warns me when theres 5 seconds or less on a debuff on a target anyone got any ideas? |
| 20:59.24 | Axodious | power auras doesnt do it :( |
| 21:01.21 | Zhinjio | yeah, I can't tell. oh well. |
| 21:06.30 | Repo | 10libfail-1-0: 03mysticalos * r111 LibFail-1.0.lua: |
| 21:06.31 | Repo | Renamed Fail_Deconstructor_Void to Fail_Deconstructor_Gravity so that it doesn't get confused with Fail_Deconstructor_Voidzone. Plus gravity bomb explosion has nothing to do with a void zone so it's a little confusing anyways. ;) |
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| 21:07.53 | Repo | 10ensidiafails: 03mysticalos * r172 EnsidiaFails.lua: |
| 21:07.54 | Repo | Update to keep in sync with rename on libfail Fail_Deconstructor_Void-->Fail_Deconstructor_Gravity to make distinction between gravity bomb fail and void zone (consumption) more clear. |
| 21:09.34 | taleden | axodious: auracle might suffice, depends how exactly you want to monitor the aura |
| 21:10.05 | stolenlegacy | Stanzilla: got a GM to reset him |
| 21:10.07 | stolenlegacy | and kill him |
| 21:10.15 | Stanzilla | grats :p |
| 21:10.29 | Axodious | basically im looking for something that will only pop up when theres x amount of seconds or less |
| 21:10.30 | stolenlegacy | only one minute between filing ticket and GM answering - strange |
| 21:10.33 | Axodious | its for imp. shadow bolt |
| 21:10.51 | stolenlegacy | and he even showed himself and I got a screen /yay |
| 21:11.14 | Axodious | 1 minute response stolenlegacy?! |
| 21:11.20 | stolenlegacy | Axodious: yea |
| 21:11.23 | Axodious | jeesus |
| 21:11.30 | Axodious | you eu or us? |
| 21:11.32 | stolenlegacy | eu |
| 21:11.36 | taleden | well, auracle can't display-or-not depending on the duration, but it can monitor that one aura on a dedicated icon and change color when its duration gets low or is missing |
| 21:11.41 | Axodious | whats the usual wait time? |
| 21:11.50 | Axodious | for us its like 3, 4 hours |
| 21:11.58 | stolenlegacy | it was between 12 and 15 hours about 2 months ago |
| 21:12.08 | stolenlegacy | 2 weeks ago I waited 15 min |
| 21:12.17 | Axodious | damn |
| 21:12.22 | Ingela | my record was 6 days =D |
| 21:12.30 | Ingela | was like 2 month ago maybe |
| 21:13.23 | ulic | Is there a way or at least a desire at somepoint for their to be a "Little Wigs Encounters" section, so the LW modules don't get dropped in with Big Wigs Encounters? |
| 21:16.09 | Repo | 10failboat: 03mysticalos * r75 loc/Locals-enUS.lua: Fail_Deconstructor_Void-->Fail_Deconstructor_Gravity |
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| 21:45.43 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: ping |
| 21:46.08 | Shadowed | mmm? |
| 21:46.48 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: how does QA know which glyphs I can or can not craft while I'm on my AH char? I get the impression the list is not accurate, somehow |
| 21:47.38 | Shadowed | from the tradeskill list |
| 21:48.07 | Gnarfoz | well, does it remember the last char I was on that had inscription? |
| 21:48.10 | Gnarfoz | or something |
| 21:48.23 | Shadowed | yes |
| 21:48.49 | Gnarfoz | hmmm, I guess I'll have to do a manual comparison or something, I thought I noticed disparities |
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| 21:58.36 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r59 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 21:58.38 | Repo | Fixed msgframe bug |
| 22:08.30 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2592 ARLDatamine.lua: Added some tailoring itemids to DO_NOT_SCAN table |
| 22:08.48 | Repo | Fixed some incorrect entries in SPELL_ITEM |
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| 22:27.55 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r6649 / (10 files in 4 directories): * Redo some option wording and order in the main panel |
| 22:27.57 | Repo | * Fix an error in a debug statement in the prototype |
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| 22:50.45 | Repo | 10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz 04r5-beta2 * r7 : Localization Update |
| 22:51.22 | Repo | Tagging as r5-beta2 |
| 22:54.32 | Repo | 10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r60 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: - |
| 22:54.35 | Repo | Durrr, fixed bug in frames positioning |
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