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| 00:05.52 | Groktar | this isn't good |
| 00:06.00 | Groktar | i type date into the shell on my new host's webserver |
| 00:06.02 | Groktar | Mon Oct 5 22:12:04 EDT 2009 |
| 00:06.04 | Groktar | ruh roh |
| 00:08.31 | winkiller | so? |
| 00:08.52 | winkiller | apart from your silly timezone it looks fine |
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| 00:15.02 | Gnarfoz | indeed, except it's about 6 minutes fast |
| 00:15.12 | quiesense | its several minutes |
| 00:15.13 | quiesense | yeah |
| 00:16.22 | Arrowmaster | Groktar: is it a VPS? |
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| 00:19.48 | Gnarfoz | <3 my core i7 920 w/ 8gb ram & 2x750gb raid 1 HDDs ... for 49â¬/month |
| 00:20.32 | Gnarfoz | mhhh 40minutes to complete a full set of tournament dailies. |
| 00:20.37 | Gnarfoz | *hurries* |
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| 00:22.18 | Arrowmaster | i7 with 8gb of ram? wtf? |
| 00:22.46 | Arrowmaster | i7 are triple channel, 8 is not divisible by 3 |
| 00:23.45 | Gnarfoz | I think it better not to ask how that's set up physically. :p |
| 00:24.00 | Gnarfoz | probably 4x 2GB and they said "fuck it" :p |
| 00:25.14 | Arrowmaster | 'fuck it we dont need optimal memory throughput' |
| 00:25.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah not somebody i would do business with |
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| 00:29.56 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: no, we don't, for 49â¬/month. it's their cheapest product. :P |
| 00:30.13 | Gnarfoz | it's not like I need remotely as much memory, disk space or processing power as that thing has. |
| 00:32.34 | Gnarfoz | 69⬠is i7 920, 12gb ram, 2x 1500gb hdds; 99⬠is i7 975, 12gb ram, 3x 1500gb hdds @ raid5 ;o |
| 00:33.29 | Arrowmaster | so is it a VPS? |
| 00:34.44 | Arrowmaster | if not ask them if they have an NTP server on their network and if so install ntp and use their ntp server, otherwise point it at pool.ntp.org |
| 00:35.07 | Arrowmaster | they really should be running an NTP server on the local network |
| 00:36.40 | Gnarfoz | oozes all over Groktar |
| 00:37.05 | Groktar | accidently pewps on Gnarfoz |
| 00:38.16 | Groktar | actually gnarfoz |
| 00:38.22 | Groktar | it wasn't about 6 minutes fast |
| 00:38.31 | Groktar | it was about 2 hours and 6 minutes fast |
| 00:38.54 | Groktar | should be 2038 edt right now |
| 00:39.21 | Groktar | it's giving me 2246 |
| 00:42.52 | Gnarfoz | so... set the clock. :D |
| 00:44.09 | Primer | I'm guessing that the nightmare tear gem will satisfy a meta's requirement for a specific color? |
| 00:44.11 | Groktar | i can't! |
| 00:44.22 | Ingela | FML i just fixed alot of thigns in my ui, don't you think the shit crashes |
| 00:44.29 | Ingela | and nothing saved |
| 00:44.29 | Groktar | and i only know the guy who runs the server by the name "arglex" |
| 00:44.30 | Ingela | <a.<.<.<.<<.<.<. |
| 00:44.32 | Primer | I neglected to ensure that I had a red gem for my meta's proc |
| 00:44.44 | Groktar | he went home for the day and left me the phone # of his assistant |
| 00:45.01 | Primer | and right now the only non +30/51 stam gem I have is a green 10def/15stam gem in my helm |
| 00:45.29 | NivFreak | Primer: yes, it will match 1 red / 1 blue / 1 yellow etc |
| 00:45.30 | Groktar | and i'd feel really weird calling up some guy i don't know and saying yeah dude, this is Groktar. arglex told me to call you if i had any problems" |
| 00:45.35 | Primer | Ingela: I hate it when that happens |
| 00:45.52 | Primer | NivFreak: ok, thanks, just want to make sure before I end up wasting a dragon's eye |
| 00:45.57 | NivFreak | the best part is when you do a reloadui to make sure it flushes, and then it crashes during it |
| 00:46.45 | winkiller | Groktar: got root? :P |
| 00:46.55 | Primer | 39,486 HP after all is said and done. 543 def. Avoidance, according to the tankspot macro, dropped by... |
| 00:47.05 | Groktar | definitely not |
| 00:47.37 | Groktar | and i wouldn't want to mess around with someone else's server anyway |
| 00:48.01 | NivFreak | Primer: stop there |
| 00:48.02 | Primer | sigh...I have no record of what it was before...I thing it was 57.44%...now it's 56.10% |
| 00:48.03 | NivFreak | doesn't matter |
| 00:48.03 | winkiller | psh |
| 00:48.06 | Gnarfoz | is there a shoulder enchant that makes sense to put on the BoA shoulders? |
| 00:48.10 | winkiller | why you'd need right time then? |
| 00:48.18 | winkiller | Gnarfoz: I haven't found one :( |
| 00:48.18 | Primer | right right... |
| 00:48.22 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: 30stam + resil honor one, only works 70+ |
| 00:48.23 | Groktar | it's a message board |
| 00:48.24 | winkiller | all "too low.. blah" |
| 00:48.39 | Gnarfoz | NivFreak: you can put it on there even though the ilvl still says "1" at 80? |
| 00:48.44 | NivFreak | yep |
| 00:48.49 | NivFreak | but it won't have an effect until 70 |
| 00:49.02 | Gnarfoz | better than nothing, it's for my warlock anyway, he's already 71. |
| 00:49.02 | winkiller | and at 70 you need no 30stam anymore |
| 00:49.06 | winkiller | soit's wasted |
| 00:49.12 | NivFreak | 30stam > 0 |
| 00:49.13 | winkiller | but ok, it's cheap as well |
| 00:49.15 | Gnarfoz | wasted would be 'no enchant' :p |
| 00:49.20 | NivFreak | 10k honor is one epic gem |
| 00:49.25 | NivFreak | or 1 set of WG quests |
| 00:49.28 | Gnarfoz | great, like I need gold! :D |
| 00:49.37 | Ingela | FMLx2 I JUST FOUND A FUCKING DEAD PIXEL |
| 00:49.38 | Mikk | ZG shoulder chant! |
| 00:49.38 | NivFreak | it's pretty much an o brainer |
| 00:49.38 | winkiller | poor gold farmers |
| 00:49.50 | winkiller | last one didn't respond when I asked if he wanted some of my gold |
| 00:49.58 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 00:50.06 | winkiller | dunno what to spend on, really |
| 00:50.10 | winkiller | BoE epics are shit |
| 00:50.12 | Mikk | i usually just tell them "i have more gold than you" |
| 00:50.25 | NivFreak | I like to see how long I can keep them talking to me |
| 00:50.27 | Mikk | eh bollocks what's wrong with the 245 BoEs? |
| 00:50.36 | Ingela | i try to sell gold to them |
| 00:50.40 | Ingela | does not always work that well |
| 00:50.42 | winkiller | they're hardly round here, Mikk |
| 00:50.57 | winkiller | and not worth the few k of gold |
| 00:51.10 | winkiller | even if I have enough, I refuse to pay such prices :P |
| 00:51.21 | winkiller | gear is getting outdated. |
| 00:51.45 | NivFreak | I've spent ~40k gold in the last 2 months |
| 00:51.48 | NivFreak | damn my alt army |
| 00:52.22 | NivFreak | it's the first time since wrath launch that my spend has outpaced my income |
| 00:52.48 | Balreign | lucky you :p |
| 00:55.02 | winkiller | oh, the toon I levelled first was BS/Engi |
| 00:55.11 | winkiller | that was a bit expensive :P |
| 00:55.35 | winkiller | and then at the same time, 1-2 level behind, my main with Skinning/LW |
| 00:55.49 | winkiller | and too lazy to farm all Leather, so again a bit of buying, but not so much |
| 00:57.20 | Balreign | mining/blacksmithing you can make easy money |
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| 01:03.19 | PProvost | vhaarr: Is there anything that would be problematic with having two BW mods running at once in the same instance? |
| 01:04.08 | NivFreak | wow, so faction transfer resets all your AT titles/achievements/quests |
| 01:04.15 | NivFreak | that's amazingly painful :) |
| 01:04.37 | NivFreak | wow, even the sunreavers rep |
| 01:04.42 | NivFreak | is reset to neutral |
| 01:04.44 | Balreign | Here's come a new life of... farming :p |
| 01:05.10 | NivFreak | well it won't affect me, but wow |
| 01:23.11 | Ingela | damn that was nice, i just made a little space in my ui for castbar, cooldown buttons and chat talk box thing, neat! |
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| 01:46.34 | Primer | Anyone know why I can't assign MT from the raid ui? It always reports that "an addon did something bad" and offers to disable the addon and reloadui |
| 01:49.58 | Mikk | that'd be because an addon tainted your raid UI |
| 01:55.42 | Groktar | is there an easy way to figure out which addon is doing it? |
| 01:55.56 | Groktar | because the addon it blames rarely has anything to do with the raid ui |
| 01:57.13 | WobWork1 | binary search? |
| 01:57.28 | Groktar | guess so |
| 01:57.37 | WobWork1 | qualifies as 'easy' =) |
| 01:57.41 | WobWork1 | just not 'fast' =) |
| 02:00.35 | Groktar | heh |
| 02:47.53 | quiesense | I don't know |
| 02:47.55 | quiesense | it could be fast |
| 02:47.58 | quiesense | if you have 2 addons |
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| 03:01.58 | WobWork1 | quiesense: depends on your definition of 'fast' |
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| 03:10.59 | Repo | fix display when icon is on the right side and the show icon only option is enabled. |
| 03:11.55 | quiescens | silly thing |
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| 03:36.07 | Zhinjio | anyone feel like helping beat up some website registration code? |
| 03:36.19 | Zhinjio | please PM me if you're interested |
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| 03:49.26 | quiescens | use a baseball bat |
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| 04:08.49 | harl | is there a way to colorize text added to the chat frame by a macro? |
| 04:09.24 | harl | i've tried using |cFFFFFF00whatever|r but the game doesn't seem to interpret/evaluate that if it's not coming from an addon. |
| 04:10.40 | Arrowmaster | use \124 instead of | |
| 04:12.12 | harl | that's working.. thank you |
| 04:20.33 | harl | hey great. now i don't even need that anymore. just added a ctrl-clickablability to nQuestLog's tracker minion frame for abandoning quests that just includes adding that same corresponding message to the chat frame. |
| 04:22.11 | harl | wonder why i didn't do that before already.. |
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| 06:32.20 | orionshock | wow brilliant support for wow... |
| 06:32.57 | orionshock | i send them an email explaining a glich with a US and EU accounts being merged into a battle net account and their response is "No u can't use a EU account on a US client, have a nice day" |
| 06:37.12 | orionshock | http://paste.wowace.com/1261/ |
| 06:37.42 | Elkano | if strmatch(mail, "account") and strmatch(mail, "EU") and strmatch(mail, "US") then return "no you can't use EU on US" end |
| 06:39.04 | Elkano | besides that, orionshock, your fault ^^ "thus won't let me login to a EU account on a US Client" |
| 06:40.57 | orionshock | right, should have side "naturally this won't work" |
| 06:40.59 | orionshock | :| |
| 06:41.53 | stolen|school | erm, you can use a us account with eu client |
| 06:41.53 | stolen|school | simply change realmlist oO |
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| 06:42.48 | orionshock | right.. |
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| 06:55.09 | mitch0 | didum |
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| 07:28.05 | asmodai | orionshock: Also "well explained"? Your email is a bit incoherent (not to mention suffering from spelling and grammar issues). :P |
| 07:28.23 | asmodai | But still, the representative gave a cookie cutter response. |
| 07:29.14 | asmodai | The response you're sending now is at least more detailed. :) |
| 07:30.59 | WobWork1 | mmm |
| 07:31.01 | WobWork1 | coookies |
| 07:31.15 | asmodai | WobWork1: Tim Tams! |
| 07:32.50 | WobWork1 | \o/ |
| 07:32.57 | WobWork1 | They make -everything- better! |
| 07:33.12 | asmodai | My Austrlian ex-colleagues called 'm a "chocolate wet dream". Especially for the ladies. |
| 07:33.35 | asmodai | And indeed, when we passed 'm around you could see them slithering down their chairs. :P |
| 07:35.05 | yoshimo | where can i disable these red messages like "youre out of range, not enough mana, spell not ready"? Its enough to hear it |
| 07:35.08 | WobWork1 | Did they do the TimTamSlam? |
| 07:35.23 | WobWork1 | aka The TimTamSuck? |
| 07:35.23 | asmodai | WobWork1: Whazzat? |
| 07:35.34 | WobWork1 | You get your hot beverage of choice |
| 07:35.39 | WobWork1 | Coffee or hot chocolate work well |
| 07:35.49 | WobWork1 | You get your Timtams from the fridge |
| 07:35.57 | WobWork1 | (proper cooling of TimTam is a required) |
| 07:36.06 | WobWork1 | You bite off opposite corners of the biscuit |
| 07:36.18 | WobWork1 | place one end in the drink, and mouth on the other, and suck hard |
| 07:36.29 | WobWork1 | Then cram collapsing Timtam into mouth as fast as you can |
| 07:36.43 | WobWork1 | (Then sit there shivering a bit as the sugar hits) |
| 07:36.49 | asmodai | Hahahaha |
| 07:36.56 | asmodai | Oh man, never saw or knew this. :) |
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| 07:39.27 | Torhal | yoshimo: UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE") |
| 07:39.53 | WobWork1 | You can slot that into your macro if you have the room |
| 07:40.06 | WobWork1 | oh wait, not just that |
| 07:40.10 | WobWork1 | (or not that one precisely) |
| 07:40.23 | yoshimo | there is no ingame option for that? |
| 07:40.27 | Torhal | You'll want to re-register it after your macro has run, else other things that print there no longer will |
| 07:40.31 | Torhal | No. |
| 07:40.31 | WobWork1 | yeah |
| 07:40.57 | WobWork1 | (I <3 double negatives =P) |
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| 07:43.46 | Fisker | R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-RAGEJOIN |
| 07:44.21 | Torhal | BWAH! |
| 07:47.04 | Elkano | Fisker, too much HoN for you ^^ |
| 07:48.59 | asmodai | Now we wait for the rage kick :P |
| 07:50.33 | Torhal | Bleargh. Another attempt at sleep. |
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| 07:53.35 | Codayus | Too much HoN? Unpossible. |
| 07:53.55 | Fisker | fuck HoN |
| 07:54.02 | Fisker | Valve + DoTA = EPIC WIN |
| 07:54.12 | asmodai | o_O |
| 07:54.14 | Codayus | Mmm. We'll see. |
| 07:54.21 | Fisker | we will indeed |
| 07:54.29 | Fisker | i also saw your mom naked |
| 07:54.38 | Codayus | Somhow, I don't think it'll be a DoTA clone. |
| 07:54.47 | asmodai | HoN looks nice, but so does LoL. Need to get my hands on a HoN beta key and see how it stacks to my LoL experience. |
| 07:54.50 | Fisker | well he basically said so himself |
| 07:55.03 | Fisker | At the very least he strongly suggested it |
| 07:55.40 | Codayus | Of the people I know who have tried both, the vast majority seem to prefer HoN to LoL. Most are fans of DoTA though, and HoN is a much closer to DoTA than LoL is. |
| 07:56.31 | Fisker | Well Codayus |
| 07:56.41 | Fisker | Valve + DoTA = Way better than both |
| 07:56.52 | Fisker | But i can't discuss that with you as i would be breaking a NDA |
| 07:56.53 | Fisker | hohoh |
| 07:58.28 | Codayus | I'm not sure which I find less likely - that your under a NDA relating to the project, or that you'd hesitate to break it if you were. |
| 08:00.58 | Fisker | :D |
| 08:01.34 | Codayus | asmodai: What did you think of LoL? |
| 08:01.39 | Fisker | [09:46] <Thrae> I can't argue with you because I'd be breaking a NDA. |
| 08:01.40 | Fisker | [09:46] <Kalroth> Ooh, nice out. I'll use that on Fisker in the future too. |
| 08:01.42 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 08:01.47 | Fisker | successful trol |
| 08:01.49 | Fisker | troll |
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| 08:09.55 | asmodai | Codayus: thus far it's pretty well done |
| 08:10.12 | asmodai | Codayus: Although I dislike the lobby part greatly. |
| 08:10.27 | asmodai | Codayus: It's written in Adobe AIR and it is really noticeable. |
| 08:10.34 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 08:10.50 | asmodai | But I like their ideas with runes, masteries and the free spells. |
| 08:11.26 | asmodai | The only problem I still have with this, and I guess HoN is similar, is that when you are a few levels behind catching up is nigh impossible. |
| 08:11.40 | Codayus | asmodai: You play DoTA? |
| 08:11.45 | asmodai | Used to. |
| 08:14.30 | asmodai | One thing that annoys me about LoL is that the camera position cannot zoom out just a bit more. |
| 08:15.05 | Codayus | HoN has much better graphics, and (I think) a better lobby interface. It doesn't yet have matchmaking (should be coming in a few weeks), although most people don't seem to like LoL's matchmaking. HoN mechanics are much closer to DoTAs (including denies, lasthits, etc.) Also, HoN has opted against having a cash shop, although whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is open to debate. |
| 08:15.26 | Codayus | HoN has locked the camera fairly zoomed in, much like DoTA did. For balance reasons, or so the devs say. |
| 08:15.40 | asmodai | I don't care much for the denies to be honest. |
| 08:15.42 | asmodai | Cash shop? |
| 08:16.20 | Codayus | You can buy character upgrades in LoL with real money. Just cosmetic stuff, I think, at least for now. |
| 08:17.03 | Fisker | adobe air? |
| 08:17.05 | Codayus | (LoL will be free to play; the cash shop funds the servers. HoN is charging, IIRC, $30/copy. Different business models.) |
| 08:17.07 | Fisker | I thought that was just flash |
| 08:19.27 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlWxjBU9uck |
| 08:20.04 | asmodai | Fisker: the LoL install, installs AIR, so the only thing I can think of is the lobby client. |
| 08:20.24 | asmodai | Codayus: I seriously wonder which business model will work. |
| 08:22.09 | vhaarr | PProvost: not that I can think of |
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| 08:48.07 | asmodai | But one problem in the DotA range of games is the level difference as well as certain item combos making you too powerful that you can never get back with your team, no matter how you try. |
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| 08:52.55 | stolen|school | lf someone with bsing and mining on ONE character willing to test an addon of mine |
| 08:53.44 | Elkano | one think I don't like about HoN is the PSR, since it only depends on the games you won/lost (and thus the people you played with) and not your personal performance |
| 08:55.08 | Codayus | Elkano: Yes. Better than nothing, perhaps, but quite flawed. The matchmaking system which is coming soon doesn't use PSR, and should be better. |
| 08:55.22 | Elkano | hope so |
| 08:56.10 | Elkano | I've seen people with K:D 2:1 and higher that had a PSR of around 1300... |
| 08:56.15 | Codayus | Heh |
| 08:56.45 | Codayus | Yeah, if you - say - play a bunch of games with your real life friends who are quite bad at the game, your PSR will drop. |
| 08:57.08 | Grum | am i still in a wow channel? what game are you talking about? ;D |
| 08:57.16 | Codayus | Grum: HoN. |
| 08:57.29 | Grum | HoN? |
| 08:57.42 | Codayus | Grum: Heroes of Newerth. it's a DoTA clone, currently in beta. |
| 08:57.58 | Grum | DoTA? ...mmm |
| 08:58.23 | Grum | Defense of the ancients? |
| 08:58.27 | Codayus | Yeah |
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| 09:03.26 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Ammo * r6502 Plugins/Bars.lua: |
| 09:03.30 | Repo | properly bugfix the emphasize, only show the empupdater when bars are running on the normal anchor. |
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| 09:13.33 | asmodai | stolen|school: I can try when I get home |
| 09:13.33 | asmodai | Grum: Yes, still the right channel. :P |
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| 09:13.34 | Elkano | [Ammo] ping? |
| 09:14.23 | stolen|school | @project professionbars |
| 09:14.23 | stolen|school | asmodai: ^ |
| 09:14.23 | stolen|school | huh, is repo afk? |
| 09:14.23 | stolen|school | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/professionbars.aspx |
| 09:14.48 | stolen|school | http://www.wowace.com/addons/professionbars/ |
| 09:15.13 | asmodai | stolen|school: will be at least 6-7 hours until I can get to it |
| 09:15.14 | [Ammo] | Elkano: pong |
| 09:15.17 | [Ammo] | Elkano: works better to just shoot your question in a message |
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| 09:15.25 | [Ammo] | I don't pay attention all the time |
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| 09:15.43 | stolen|school | asmodai: just msg me then |
| 09:15.46 | asmodai | aye |
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| 09:16.34 | Elkano | [Ammo], there seems to be a bug in oRA3 with the slideout panel |
| 09:17.03 | Elkano | the raid frames tabs to pullout classes overlap the panel's list |
| 09:17.36 | [Ammo] | that shouldn't happen |
| 09:18.10 | Elkano | it did a few times by now though |
| 09:19.43 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Ammo * r280 oRA3.lua: adjust panel more often, weird shit |
| 09:19.48 | [Ammo] | try with that |
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| 09:28.47 | asmodai | Mmm, wtf is Facebook causing Firefox on both XP and Vista to reach near 100% CPU/core utilization. Feels like either some javascript went haywire or it conflicts with one of the addons I have installed. |
| 09:31.23 | Antiarc | Anyone remember the trick for metatables with frames? |
| 09:32.01 | Antiarc | I want to add functionality to a frame by setting {__index = myprototype}, but that causes the frame stuff to go haywire. There's a workaround and I don't remember it. |
| 09:32.12 | [Ammo] | see LibCandyBar-3.0 or LibBars-1.0 |
| 09:32.17 | Antiarc | duh, libbars |
| 09:32.23 | Antiarc | I knew I'd used it somewhere |
| 09:33.32 | Antiarc | Hrm, I was using that technique, must've screwed it up somewhere |
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| 09:40.54 | Antiarc | I'm getting the wrong frame passed to OnUpdate, frustratingly |
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| 09:46.31 | Repo | FuBar_DungeonDiFu: |
| 09:46.31 | Repo | - Fixed broken 'interpretation' of party difficulty |
| 09:46.33 | Repo | - Panel display now uses built-in icons (removed /icons folder) |
| 09:46.36 | Repo | - Can now set raid difficulty via tablet |
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| 11:01.01 | yoshimo | is there an addon which helps you to convert emblems faster? |
| 11:01.43 | Stanzilla | using the vendor in the sewers is fast enough imo :O |
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| 11:03.10 | Megalon | convert emblems faster? |
| 11:03.28 | Megalon | how does it get faster then converting all at once with shift-click |
| 11:03.28 | Antiarc | shift-click, enter how many you want to convert |
| 11:04.59 | Wobin | since they 'stack' to infinity |
| 11:05.50 | Elkano | they do? I thought it was just an extremly large number... ;) |
| 11:06.58 | yoshimo | ah ok i found the money exchange in the sewers |
| 11:18.25 | Wobin | Elkano, well, if you hit a limit, let me know =) |
| 11:18.25 | Elkano | well, I was gessing wrt the return value by GetItemInfo |
| 11:18.36 | Elkano | though I doubt anyone will hit that number anytime, soon |
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| 11:19.17 | Arrowmaster | there is a limit |
| 11:19.26 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 11:19.29 | Fisker | watch your fucking back |
| 11:19.33 | Fisker | because i'm back :O |
| 11:19.38 | Arrowmaster | pets Fisker |
| 11:20.05 | Fisker | You can't stop me motherfucker cause i'm on a boat, jizzing in my pants while throwing stuff on the ground |
| 11:21.30 | Stanzilla | makes sense |
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| 11:31.01 | Repo | - Improved "Ignore undesirable items" option: Separate options for Cloth, Leather, Mail, and Plate items, can also set the minimum item quality |
| 11:45.52 | harl | eternal flames! |
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| 12:20.59 | yoshimo | just a normal rndm raid in trial of the crusader: http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5363/addonspamfurecords.jpg |
| 12:21.52 | Kalroth | fucking gearscor |
| 12:21.53 | Kalroth | e |
| 12:22.37 | Kalroth | although LibHealComm-4.0 looks pretty bad too, due to the amount of messages |
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| 12:23.45 | yoshimo | i wonder why ensidiafails has 495 messages and people still use an outdated xperl as budai |
| 12:24.26 | yoshimo | ct--mods are outdated as well, arent they |
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| 12:26.02 | Pneumatus | people sending healbot+lhc3+lhc4+xperl heal comm messages all at once make me want to /wrists |
| 12:26.36 | Adirelle|work | xperl has its own heal comm ? |
| 12:26.49 | yoshimo | it was removed a while ago |
| 12:26.57 | Pneumatus | yeh, it only got patched out recently |
| 12:27.00 | yoshimo | but people are lazy |
| 12:27.26 | yoshimo | im trying to get the hb thing removed completely |
| 12:27.48 | Pneumatus | i still dont understand why people don't just use Grid+Clique anyway :P |
| 12:28.16 | [Ammo] | because grid blows so I wrote my own variant :p |
| 12:30.08 | Adirelle|work | [Ammo], you didn't mean you wrote healbot, did you ? |
| 12:30.33 | Stanzilla | i bet he is talking about his oUF layout.. |
| 12:31.20 | Adirelle|work | I do too but it didn't sound that way |
| 12:31.57 | Adirelle|work | (I wrote my own ouf layout too) |
| 12:32.02 | Grum | grid is made out of awesome until you have to configure it |
| 12:32.20 | Adirelle|work | grid eats your cpu with bacon |
| 12:32.32 | Grum | it does? |
| 12:32.50 | Adirelle|work | I've seen it |
| 12:32.58 | Adirelle|work | that was horrible |
| 12:33.53 | Stanzilla | my pb4 raidframes look like grid now, cool enough :) |
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| 12:37.33 | yoshimo | whats the current status of grid2? will it come before the duke? |
| 12:39.00 | Fisker | what is that [Ammo] ? |
| 12:39.17 | [Ammo] | my ouf layout ofcourse |
| 12:39.24 | Fisker | i haet you |
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| 12:40.15 | Fisker | i thought you had made a proper replacement :P |
| 12:40.23 | [Ammo] | it is a proper replacement |
| 12:40.32 | [Ammo] | it does exactly what I need |
| 12:42.44 | Fisker | well it needs ouf |
| 12:44.46 | robotusch | replaces Fisker |
| 12:45.01 | quiescens | moo |
| 12:45.10 | yoshimo | pneumatus, you might want to vote for http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/nvgearscore/tickets/5-to-much-addon-message-spam/ |
| 12:45.11 | quiescens | I like grid though ): |
| 12:45.46 | Fisker | do you think i'm stupid robotusch ? |
| 12:45.52 | Fisker | MY DAD IS NOT A PHONE |
| 12:45.55 | Fisker | DUH |
| 12:46.16 | Pneumatus | GearScore is seriously retarded, as it sends addon messages on every inventory update |
| 12:46.20 | Pneumatus | or something stupid |
| 12:46.52 | KriLL3 | sounds like fun if you swap sets |
| 12:47.00 | KriLL3 | a pile of calls at the same time |
| 12:47.21 | Pneumatus | its far, far worse than that |
| 12:47.25 | Pneumatus | EVERY inventory update |
| 12:48.10 | KriLL3 | yes I get it, but it's worst when swapping entire sets I guess |
| 12:48.36 | Wobin | every -inventory- update? |
| 12:48.40 | Wobin | ... like BAG_UPDATE? |
| 12:49.29 | Pneumatus | infact, its been changed |
| 12:49.36 | Pneumatus | it did addonmessage on every BAG_UPDATE |
| 12:49.37 | Pneumatus | iirc |
| 12:50.11 | *** join/#wowace samrt (i=Kassandr@p5B0C0514.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:50.15 | Wobin | shudders |
| 12:51.24 | Pneumatus | oh, every UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED |
| 12:51.33 | Kalroth | if ( GS_EventName == "EQUIPMENT_SWAP_FINISHED" ) then |
| 12:51.33 | Kalroth | GearScore_Send(UnitName("player"), "ALL") |
| 12:52.01 | Pneumatus | it looks less bad these days, the numbers yoshimo saw are probably someone using a hideously old version |
| 12:52.03 | Kalroth | oh, it does it on "PLAYER_EQUIPMENT_CHANGED" too |
| 12:52.24 | Pneumatus | it used to send every UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED which is spammy as hell |
| 12:52.42 | *** join/#wowace Balreign (n=Balreign@ANantes-156-1-105-38.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:52.57 | Kalroth | I don't get why it spams anything at all |
| 12:53.16 | Pneumatus | so you can share epeen-o-meter with your guild i guess |
| 12:53.23 | yoshimo | pneumatus, i have seen an old recap recently spamming the hell out of the warsongchannel ;) |
| 12:53.58 | Grum | +3 vote! |
| 12:53.59 | Grum | bastardrs |
| 12:54.14 | Pneumatus | people that don't update addons are just as bad as people that write shit code in the first place though |
| 12:54.59 | Kalroth | all addons should have a timeout! |
| 12:55.14 | KriLL3 | what about abandoned addons that work just fine? |
| 12:55.14 | Pneumatus | it's called the interface number :P |
| 12:55.21 | yoshimo | the best thing i saw was threat-2.0 way after omen3 came out ;) |
| 12:55.27 | KriLL3 | no updates around, but they work |
| 12:55.40 | yoshimo | blizzard should remove "load outdated addons" ;) |
| 12:56.07 | Kalroth | oh god, he's even messing around with compression of the data |
| 12:56.12 | Pneumatus | not really, yoshimo, look at the fuss that wowmatrix caused modifying tocs |
| 12:56.16 | asmodai | yoshimo: Why? :) |
| 12:56.19 | Pneumatus | no doubt other tools would just do the same |
| 12:56.39 | Wobin | Pneumatus, ReverseEngineering works. |
| 12:56.40 | KriLL3 | yoshimo: horrible idea |
| 12:56.44 | Wobin | And I haven't updated it since I wrote it |
| 12:56.51 | Wobin | ... many years ago |
| 12:57.10 | Pneumatus | i've got addons that are hideously ancient as well |
| 12:57.15 | Pneumatus | like the abandoned GrindStatus |
| 12:57.21 | asmodai | wishes authors would update their addon tocs more responsibly :P |
| 12:57.35 | Wobin | asmodai, You could have wowmatrix do it for you! |
| 12:57.43 | yoshimo | so how do we make sure that people update their addons? |
| 12:57.57 | Pneumatus | get them to use the curse client! |
| 12:58.04 | *** join/#wowace Whitetooth (n=chatzill@118-169-197-66.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 12:58.07 | Kalroth | add a notice like DBM got |
| 12:58.13 | asmodai | Wobin: What's wowmatrix? |
| 12:58.24 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 12:58.35 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Ah, you're awake! |
| 12:58.37 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03Zeksie * r119 ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs (2 files in 2 directories): Added support for Flask of the North. |
| 12:58.43 | Balreign | SpamMeNot was sending an alert when it was meeting a new release |
| 12:58.51 | yoshimo | kalroth, dbmv4 sends its version to everyplayer who joins the battleground, which is annoying as well |
| 12:58.53 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: i am, and im brazil. |
| 12:58.54 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 12:59.13 | asmodai | Oh wait, wowmatrix, isn't that what was initially used for cosmos updates or so? |
| 12:59.18 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 12:59.22 | Balreign | nop |
| 12:59.26 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Adys mentioned something about XML exports of wowprogramming? |
| 12:59.35 | jnwhiteh | Could you be more specific? |
| 12:59.37 | Kalroth | yoshimo: yeah, because battlegrounds are a hack upon a normal raid |
| 12:59.38 | jnwhiteh | XML exports of _what_ |
| 12:59.51 | asmodai | I remember one app at least that did some updating of addons, but in such a way that they leeched their traffic of people or sites? |
| 12:59.57 | jnwhiteh | that was wowmatrix. |
| 13:00.03 | Pneumatus | yeh, thats wowmatrix, or was |
| 13:00.11 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: XML needs no specifics, you can XMLify everything!! |
| 13:00.18 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Well, I am currently casting the WoW API stuff into Sphinx. :) |
| 13:00.29 | dieck | jnwhiteh: XML specifics are coded in XML :) |
| 13:00.32 | jnwhiteh | "casting" "Sphinx" |
| 13:00.37 | Adys | jnwhiteh: articles |
| 13:00.41 | jnwhiteh | I really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. |
| 13:00.42 | Adys | didnt specify xml tho |
| 13:00.46 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: Keep up with the latest buzzwords, sheesh |
| 13:00.47 | asmodai | OK, so how did wowmatrix change then? Because it got a lot of flak over that. |
| 13:00.49 | Adys | but Im pretty sure you got some exports |
| 13:00.53 | jnwhiteh | _what_ articles? |
| 13:00.59 | jnwhiteh | can someone just explain what we're talkign about/ |
| 13:01.02 | Adys | wiki articles |
| 13:01.04 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Hehe, sorry, Sphinx is a documentation tool written in Python. |
| 13:01.12 | Pneumatus | asmodai: it doesn't pull from 3rd parties anymore, it hosts what it can get away with now |
| 13:01.21 | jnwhiteh | Adys: what wiki articles? |
| 13:01.27 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: Okay, what does that have to do with wowprogramming.com? |
| 13:01.30 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: It has been used for the new Python documentation and other projects. |
| 13:01.32 | Adys | the ones on wowprogramming |
| 13:01.40 | Pneumatus | jnwhiteh: 2 different conversations i think |
| 13:01.46 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:01.47 | jnwhiteh | Adys: there aren't an articles on wowprogramming.com |
| 13:01.47 | ansik | hello. how make with Tablet-2.0, what last symbol of last column don't hide by scrollbar |
| 13:01.53 | jnwhiteh | just API documentation mostly |
| 13:02.00 | Adys | yeah as wiki articles |
| 13:02.02 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: Yes, I am so very very confused. |
| 13:02.05 | jnwhiteh | Adys: no, not really. |
| 13:02.14 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh is getting old |
| 13:02.15 | Adys | what do you want to call them then? |
| 13:02.17 | jnwhiteh | Adys: that's not even remotely how they used or stored. |
| 13:02.28 | jnwhiteh | Its the API documentation |
| 13:02.28 | asmodai | chuckles |
| 13:02.28 | jnwhiteh | that's all it is |
| 13:02.28 | jnwhiteh | they aren't wiki pages |
| 13:02.31 | Adys | um wiki != storage/usage |
| 13:02.47 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 13:02.48 | Kalroth | It's html pages with links to other html pages |
| 13:03.03 | jnwhiteh | If someone can clarify what is being asked for and why, we might make progress. |
| 13:03.13 | jnwhiteh | perhaps it should be done in PMs so we're not all getting so confused. |
| 13:03.27 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Anyway, I am trying to get the API documentation in general to be public in a reasonably nice programming documentation format. |
| 13:03.28 | Wobin | has scrolled up, and still doesn't understand =P |
| 13:03.29 | Kalroth | :( |
| 13:03.33 | asmodai | Which can also easily generate other formats. |
| 13:03.35 | Adys | i said I was pretty sure you had normalized exports of some sort of the api documentation pages |
| 13:03.43 | jnwhiteh | Adys: they're all Lua tables. |
| 13:03.50 | jnwhiteh | and no, I don't make those available |
| 13:03.56 | jnwhiteh | Not en masse |
| 13:03.58 | jnwhiteh | Not all information |
| 13:04.03 | jnwhiteh | because I can't at the moment, although I'm working on that. |
| 13:04.15 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: well I can't maek the information public |
| 13:04.22 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: No worries man. :) |
| 13:04.31 | jnwhiteh | but I'm working on that |
| 13:04.32 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03Zeksie * r120 ZOMGBuffs.lua: |
| 13:04.35 | Repo | Fixed sending blessing template queries to self via comms, called directly now. |
| 13:04.41 | jnwhiteh | getting the legal team at my publisher to actually make changes is painful. |
| 13:04.58 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: I'm writing the stuff from the ground up from what I can dig up from forum posts and the likes. |
| 13:05.03 | jnwhiteh | Why? |
| 13:05.09 | jnwhiteh | Why would you repeat the work that we've already done? |
| 13:05.16 | jnwhiteh | When its already publicly available? |
| 13:05.34 | Adys | (thats what i said) |
| 13:05.47 | jnwhiteh | I would strongly recommend against this |
| 13:05.58 | asmodai | Multiple reasons: 1) because I can and like, 2) because the amount of examples is a bit on the lean side, 3) it's a nice learning experience. |
| 13:05.59 | jnwhiteh | I know how much work it takes, so Im' not just saying that for shits and giggles. |
| 13:06.00 | yoshimo | which addons can wm host themselfes? |
| 13:06.11 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: and why not contribute to existing resources? |
| 13:06.15 | jnwhiteh | its a splinter |
| 13:06.18 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Because of the legal status? :P |
| 13:06.20 | jnwhiteh | we already have a split in the community |
| 13:06.21 | jnwhiteh | another one is bad. |
| 13:06.26 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: which you don't even know about |
| 13:06.29 | jnwhiteh | because you haven't asked me. |
| 13:06.32 | Pneumatus | yoshimo: any open-source licensed addons + any that explicitly allow wowm to distribute |
| 13:06.58 | jnwhiteh | Adding a third resource |
| 13:06.59 | jnwhiteh | is a bad idea. |
| 13:07.00 | jnwhiteh | bad. |
| 13:07.04 | jnwhiteh | terrible for the community |
| 13:07.06 | Pneumatus | we have 1 split? |
| 13:07.06 | jnwhiteh | a waste of time, and bad. |
| 13:07.07 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03Zeksie 043.2.2 Release 2 * r121 : Tagging as 3.2.2 Release 2 |
| 13:07.17 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: No, I didn't, correct. But I have dealt with publishers before in my line of work and I know having stuff related to books is hard to change legal-wise. |
| 13:07.33 | jnwhiteh | Well, you dont even know what the current license _is_ |
| 13:07.37 | jnwhiteh | let alone what I'm trying to do with it |
| 13:07.38 | Balreign | jnwhiteh, except if the new documentation is better than the old one and replace it |
| 13:07.42 | jnwhiteh | Let alone what I make available. |
| 13:07.42 | dieck | asmodai: you want to publish a book? |
| 13:07.43 | asmodai | And there was no clear open mention of open content or the likes, so I assume the other side of it. :) |
| 13:07.46 | asmodai | dieck: Nope. |
| 13:07.50 | jnwhiteh | Balreign: Okay, I'll see you in.. a year |
| 13:07.53 | jnwhiteh | and youd be wasting your time. |
| 13:07.57 | Balreign | ^^ |
| 13:08.00 | jnwhiteh | documentation is not somehting that shoudl be re-done from scratch. |
| 13:08.03 | yoshimo | if we have all rights reserved as license, were safe? |
| 13:08.28 | Pneumatus | yoshimo: they'd have to get your permission to host |
| 13:08.47 | Balreign | jnwhiteh, I wasn't meaning I intend do do sa, it was just an argument |
| 13:08.56 | Balreign | so* |
| 13:08.58 | jnwhiteh | I understand, it's just not a very good one =) |
| 13:09.00 | jnwhiteh | Im' not upset with you |
| 13:09.01 | Adys | speaking of licenses |
| 13:09.07 | jnwhiteh | I just don't understand why people think this is a casual thing to do |
| 13:09.09 | Wobin | yoshimo, yes |
| 13:09.10 | Adys | why are people so scared of extra-permissive licenses? |
| 13:09.16 | jnwhiteh | and don't understand how much it would hurt the community |
| 13:09.17 | Adys | like bsd/mit |
| 13:09.18 | jnwhiteh | Adys: in what contexst? |
| 13:09.21 | jnwhiteh | i'm notQ! |
| 13:09.42 | asmodai | Adys: Heh, I tend to only use MIT/BSD in most cases. |
| 13:09.50 | Adys | many contexts, I see people releasing every single bit they write as gpl/lgpl |
| 13:09.58 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: I'd love to hear your responses to come of the questions I've asked. |
| 13:10.19 | jnwhiteh | Adys: people like the way that GPL and LGPL are share-alike and require people to license their derivatives the same way |
| 13:10.21 | Adys | be it addons, browser scripts, whatever other shit |
| 13:10.29 | jnwhiteh | I happen to dislike that |
| 13:10.35 | Balreign | just to be sure... What documention API we're talking about? |
| 13:10.36 | jnwhiteh | but they think its more "Free" than MIT/BSD |
| 13:10.40 | jnwhiteh | Balreign: the WoW API |
| 13:10.40 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Sorry, I must have missed any specific ones in the whole wall of text, can you repeat then? |
| 13:10.44 | Balreign | ouch |
| 13:10.46 | Balreign | my bad |
| 13:11.04 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: I'm just trying to understand why you would want to do somethign that will so negatively impact the community and waste your time |
| 13:11.12 | Adys | theres a huge flaw in the whole gpl/lgpl logic |
| 13:11.18 | jnwhiteh | I really would like to understand that, considering I really do know what I'm talking about in this case =) |
| 13:11.32 | Pneumatus | why would it negatively impact the community though, it would either be better than wowprogramming and therefore get used, or worse and get ignored |
| 13:11.37 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: It's only a waste if I wouldn't enjoy it. I've been writing documentation for various projects over the past decade. |
| 13:11.41 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: this is the problem |
| 13:11.47 | jnwhiteh | We already have a split between WoWProgrammign and WoWWiki |
| 13:11.49 | jnwhiteh | I am trying to solve this |
| 13:11.56 | jnwhiteh | with asmodai putting his time into a third resource |
| 13:11.58 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: And what negative impact? I am merely trying to augment the available documentation. |
| 13:11.59 | Pneumatus | people still use wowwiki? |
| 13:12.00 | jnwhiteh | that's depriving the other two |
| 13:12.04 | jnwhiteh | That hurts. |
| 13:12.08 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: then why not AUGMENT it |
| 13:12.09 | jnwhiteh | not replace it. |
| 13:12.16 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: yes and no |
| 13:12.22 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: general resource, yes those who don't know better. |
| 13:12.33 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: and specific API/Events are better documented in some cases |
| 13:12.34 | Adys | lgpl/gpl assumes the work of an entity that would re-release such work as another less permissive license would give a final result "better" than the original |
| 13:12.37 | jnwhiteh | because people put their detailed info there |
| 13:12.57 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: It negatively effects the community, I promise you |
| 13:12.59 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: As I stated before: I want to have full, open availability and knowing the site to be related to the book I can readily assume copyright/legalese issues with the publisher, especially since the site lacks any clear indicator it's free/open content. :) |
| 13:13.09 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: Yet you don't ask. |
| 13:13.13 | jnwhiteh | And you still haven't |
| 13:13.21 | jnwhiteh | so you splinter the documentation effort for "fun" |
| 13:13.25 | jnwhiteh | and that's fucked up. |
| 13:13.36 | asmodai | Yes, welcome to the mindset of (FL)OSS :P |
| 13:13.41 | asmodai | Anyway |
| 13:13.44 | asmodai | What's the license then? |
| 13:13.55 | asmodai | What are the plans? |
| 13:13.58 | *** part/#wowace profalbert (n=profalbe@v254-048.vps.tuwien.ac.at) |
| 13:14.07 | jnwhiteh | Right now the API documentation is copyright the publisher, with the exceptions that people contribute |
| 13:14.18 | jnwhiteh | they retain full rights over them, but give wiley a license to reprint the material and include it in the comprehensive API |
| 13:14.22 | jnwhiteh | details of that are all on the website |
| 13:14.26 | jnwhiteh | I'm pushing very .. very hard for dual licensing |
| 13:14.34 | jnwhiteh | where the API itself is .. let me look |
| 13:14.54 | jnwhiteh | Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share |
| 13:14.55 | jnwhiteh | Alike |
| 13:15.07 | jnwhiteh | while still granting wiley the right to publish the material |
| 13:15.28 | jnwhiteh | I'd love to hear any objections you have to contributing to such a resoufce. |
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| 13:16.04 | asmodai | There's a simple one: I can find the licenses too restrictive. |
| 13:16.18 | jnwhiteh | How so? |
| 13:16.21 | jnwhiteh | What are you objecting to |
| 13:16.28 | jnwhiteh | and please make it be an actual objection, not something on principle. |
| 13:16.43 | asmodai | I like small, concise licenses that people can read through themselves. |
| 13:16.47 | Wobin | like "Puppies" |
| 13:16.56 | Codayus | I object to puppies. |
| 13:16.56 | Pneumatus | so the publisher would be able to make profit from any contributions made to the documentation? |
| 13:16.58 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: CC-A-NC-SA is a simple license. |
| 13:17.00 | Wobin | CC licences are pretty concise |
| 13:17.04 | jnwhiteh | Have you even bothered to look at it? |
| 13:17.07 | asmodai | Not if you read the full text. |
| 13:17.15 | asmodai | I don't trust a summary from any resource about a license. |
| 13:17.16 | jnwhiteh | oh ffs. |
| 13:17.44 | jnwhiteh | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/legalcode |
| 13:17.45 | Adys | Im with jnwhiteh this is retarded |
| 13:17.50 | jnwhiteh | thats pretty fucking simple. |
| 13:17.56 | jnwhiteh | I spent 9 months of my life documenting the API |
| 13:18.16 | jnwhiteh | to have someone scoff at that and make objections like this that hurt the community |
| 13:18.18 | jnwhiteh | is very frustrating. |
| 13:18.24 | jnwhiteh | so forgive my two "fucks" |
| 13:18.32 | jnwhiteh | even if one was in an acronym. |
| 13:18.32 | asmodai | Where am I a scoffing at you? |
| 13:18.44 | asmodai | Please don't put words in my mouth like that, thank you. |
| 13:18.48 | jnwhiteh | Saying you're going to re-do everythign we've already done for "fun" |
| 13:18.55 | Codayus | I'm in favor of rampant paranoia as the next guy, but really, CC licenses are about as simple as it gets. And I'm pretty sure you can trust the summaries they can provide. |
| 13:18.58 | Balreign | jnwhiteh, wich one is your documentation? |
| 13:19.00 | jnwhiteh | I don't know how else to read that. |
| 13:19.04 | jnwhiteh | Balreign: wowprogramming.com, the book, etc. |
| 13:19.05 | Codayus | s/they can/they/ but whatever |
| 13:19.11 | Balreign | ok |
| 13:19.16 | Wobin | and if you can't 'trust' summaries, you have no right to expect -any- protection from licences |
| 13:19.20 | jnwhiteh | sure, if you want a public domain resource, this isn't it. |
| 13:19.27 | asmodai | Codayus: There's simpler. |
| 13:19.30 | jnwhiteh | but its better than the fucking FDL |
| 13:19.32 | Wobin | if you don't want to go to the effort to -read- a licence, DON'T USE THEM |
| 13:19.39 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: I don't use the FDL either. :) |
| 13:19.42 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: Of course there is. |
| 13:19.47 | jnwhiteh | but why does it matter? |
| 13:19.55 | jnwhiteh | regardless of anything |
| 13:20.06 | jnwhiteh | I do not understand why you would do something that negatively impacts the community. |
| 13:20.11 | steev | ~wowalert |
| 13:20.11 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 13:20.20 | asmodai | Why are you gungho on the idea it would negatively impact the community though. |
| 13:20.20 | Wobin | asmodai, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTF_Public_License |
| 13:20.28 | Wobin | Simple, concise |
| 13:20.30 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: because, I've done the research |
| 13:20.33 | jnwhiteh | I did this a long time ago |
| 13:20.35 | jnwhiteh | I looked into WoWWiki |
| 13:20.39 | jnwhiteh | look at how much its suffered |
| 13:20.40 | Codayus | asmodai: Mmm. If you get MUCH simpler it's because you're putting a lot of really important stuff - like definitions - into unwritten context. That only *looks* simpler. |
| 13:20.53 | jnwhiteh | that's in no small part a result of focusing a portion of the community on documenting on wowprogramming |
| 13:20.56 | Pneumatus | jnwhiteh: which came first, wowprogramming or wowwiki? |
| 13:21.00 | jnwhiteh | it _does_ negatively impact the community |
| 13:21.01 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: wowwiki |
| 13:21.13 | jnwhiteh | This isn't just conjecture. |
| 13:21.22 | Pneumatus | so why did wowprogramming fragment the community rather than enhance wowwiki? |
| 13:21.23 | asmodai | Wobin: I still liked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerware ;) |
| 13:21.31 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: because I didn't have a choice. Because of the FDL |
| 13:21.36 | jnwhiteh | Trust me, I tried. |
| 13:21.41 | pschriner | wowprogramming loads much fast, the search is usefull, and it's focus - at least that's my opinion |
| 13:21.43 | jnwhiteh | I spend three months trying to work out a solution that worked. |
| 13:21.44 | *** join/#wowace Hjalte (n=chatzill@62.242.38.50) |
| 13:22.00 | jnwhiteh | I can give you 5 different peopel to talk to about this, if you don't believe me. |
| 13:22.10 | jnwhiteh | The publisher was paying me to do the API |
| 13:22.12 | jnwhiteh | This was a good thing |
| 13:22.33 | jnwhiteh | however, the FDL made it such that I could not put it on WoWWiki |
| 13:22.39 | ckknight | I should start using beerware more often |
| 13:22.57 | jnwhiteh | beerware is <3 |
| 13:23.15 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: You're just taking this very lightly.. and its not something to be taken lightly. It affects all of us and I've been there before. |
| 13:23.23 | jnwhiteh | and that frustrates me. |
| 13:23.50 | jnwhiteh | we already have a problem, I fail to see how adding a third site "fixes" the issue |
| 13:24.13 | Whitetooth | as Pneumatus said, with the dual licence, the publisher would be able to make profit from any contributions |
| 13:24.18 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: I am not trying to take it lightly, but from my point of view I want it to be a public repository from which the details of the API gets generated. |
| 13:24.34 | jnwhiteh | Whitetooth: they can as it stands |
| 13:24.36 | jnwhiteh | and they can with the FSL |
| 13:24.37 | jnwhiteh | FDL |
| 13:24.41 | jnwhiteh | and they can with a public domain license |
| 13:24.48 | asmodai | And if the current (projected) licenses are not to my taste, why would I subsequently put *my* efforts under such licenses? |
| 13:25.07 | Wobin | so it's more about 'me' than the 'community'? |
| 13:25.09 | Pneumatus | you can't just generate details of the API though |
| 13:25.33 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: Indeed, so its about you. You haven't even given a coherent reason why the current licenses are unacceptable to you. |
| 13:25.36 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: no, it's an amazing amount of work. |
| 13:25.40 | asmodai | Wobin: No, but I do have to consider that any such restrictions would also apply to others. |
| 13:25.52 | jnwhiteh | I can give you 15 people who were involved in the first edition work on the API and they can tell you how difficult it is. |
| 13:25.59 | asmodai | Wobin: Especially if you open it up as a collaborative project. |
| 13:26.00 | Wobin | So it's about how 'me thinks people should handle licences' |
| 13:26.14 | Pneumatus | if Lua was typed, it would possibly be possible |
| 13:26.16 | Pneumatus | but it's not |
| 13:26.17 | asmodai | And the wall of text of CC does not encourage that, in my opinion. |
| 13:26.21 | jnwhiteh | well there's an amazing amount of the API that you can't get without Wowprogramming or Blizzard. |
| 13:26.28 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 13:27.04 | jnwhiteh | so it's be making another incomplete resource that splits the documentation effort amongst the community |
| 13:27.07 | Adys | Whats with 180 users in here? |
| 13:27.08 | KriLL3 | isn't any of that likely to stop working with a patch? |
| 13:27.08 | jnwhiteh | I think that's incredibly unfortunate |
| 13:27.10 | Wobin | And yet, no reasons are given as to -why- the current licences are not good. Aside from "It takes too long to read the licence" |
| 13:27.12 | Adys | didnt #wowace use to have 300-400? |
| 13:27.25 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: I couldn't agree more. |
| 13:28.02 | jnwhiteh | Now is Pneumatus and Whitetooth have objections to the publisher (who paid for the solid base of documentation that has already been done) making money of that work.. we can have that discussion |
| 13:28.03 | Wobin | Anyone who finds a licence too much effort to read, does not deserve to nay-say it's effectiveness. |
| 13:28.19 | asmodai | Wobin: Because I wouldn't mind if the documentation would get used by person or company X to produce something commercial, which the CC one quoted above would restrict to only Wiley |
| 13:28.21 | Adys | asmodai: What jnwhiteh is saying is "Your efforts are not going to benefit the community, so why are you doing them anyway?" |
| 13:28.31 | jnwhiteh | but I may disappear in 10 minutes because I have to give a talk at the Lua workshop |
| 13:28.42 | jnwhiteh | Adys: more importantly they are going to negatively effect the community |
| 13:28.44 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: well, as I said |
| 13:28.47 | asmodai | Adys: because I think I could provide a way to more actively sollicit contributions in a format developers are used to. |
| 13:28.53 | jnwhiteh | the amount of man-hours that went into the documentation we've done |
| 13:28.55 | jnwhiteh | they deserve it. |
| 13:29.02 | pschriner | jnwhiteh: as much as I understand our frustration, I seriously doubt the amount of impact you are giving it. Just let him try at his own project... you know best how much work was put into your projet |
| 13:29.05 | Adys | people arent "used to" sphinx |
| 13:29.08 | Adys | its just more natural |
| 13:29.16 | jnwhiteh | pschriner: I do understand the impact, I really do. |
| 13:29.24 | Pneumatus | i think, if i were to have a problem contributing and enhancing the documentation myself, it would be based on the fact that the publisher could use that for profit |
| 13:29.39 | SunTsu | jnwhiteh: Liar! *ducks and runs awy* |
| 13:29.41 | steev | what is sphinx |
| 13:29.42 | asmodai | It would only impact the community if and when it would be made public. |
| 13:29.43 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: any company can do that under the current arrangement on wowwiki |
| 13:29.49 | asmodai | steev: http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ |
| 13:29.51 | Pneumatus | jnwhiteh: exactly |
| 13:29.53 | jnwhiteh | The time the community spends re-doing the "low hanging fruit" could be better spent actually documenting the new things that need to be done. |
| 13:30.03 | Adys | Sphinx is a documentation tool mostly used by python devs |
| 13:30.06 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: so you just don't contribute to anyone? |
| 13:30.14 | Pneumatus | correct |
| 13:30.17 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Provided you have a documentation tool that encourages adding documentation in a nice way. :P |
| 13:30.35 | Adys | asmodai: that doesnt call for a new one |
| 13:30.42 | steev | ahh, i thought you guys were talking about http://fife.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/ |
| 13:30.42 | Adys | that still calls for improvement of the old one |
| 13:30.46 | jnwhiteh | what we have works just fine |
| 13:30.51 | jnwhiteh | and i could easily dump my info into sphinx |
| 13:30.54 | jnwhiteh | because of the format its in |
| 13:31.00 | jnwhiteh | but not for this reason |
| 13:31.02 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Your info :P |
| 13:31.07 | jnwhiteh | not because you don't want to read a license. |
| 13:31.16 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: i touched every single function |
| 13:31.16 | asmodai | Which is part of the point, it's not quite public is it? |
| 13:31.17 | jnwhiteh | it is mine. |
| 13:31.21 | jnwhiteh | oh for fuck's sake. |
| 13:31.21 | Adys | just FYI, sphinx format is similar to mediawiki markup |
| 13:31.22 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:31.24 | jnwhiteh | its public |
| 13:31.27 | jnwhiteh | its available on the web, to everyone |
| 13:31.28 | Adys | so why don't you just go improve wowwiki? |
| 13:31.33 | jnwhiteh | editable by the community, for the community. |
| 13:31.36 | jnwhiteh | you think i did this for any other reason? |
| 13:31.49 | Wobin | jnwhiteh did it for the nookie |
| 13:32.00 | jnwhiteh | you're damn right I did! |
| 13:32.01 | Adys | hands Wobin a nookie |
| 13:32.05 | Wobin | omnomnom |
| 13:32.10 | steev | women don't exist in the wow universe |
| 13:32.20 | steev | they are just guys with voice changer software on vent |
| 13:32.21 | asmodai | Adys: You seriously consider wiki the perfect format for documentation? |
| 13:32.32 | jnwhiteh | its not, I proved that. |
| 13:32.35 | Adys | i dont consider sphinx the perfect format for documentation either |
| 13:32.36 | Wobin | Anyway, have fun with the talk, jnwhiteh! Knock 'em dead! |
| 13:32.37 | jnwhiteh | hence why wowprogramming isn't a wiki. |
| 13:32.44 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: this one is boring, on Sputnik =) |
| 13:32.48 | jnwhiteh | the WoW talk is tomorrow. |
| 13:32.55 | Wobin | do it in a russian accent |
| 13:33.00 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 13:33.01 | steev | i admit, i like wowprogramming more than wowwiki |
| 13:33.04 | jnwhiteh | Yuri would have if he could have been there. |
| 13:33.10 | asmodai | Or open with Snap's The Power sample ;) |
| 13:33.20 | pschriner | asmodai: I think wikis might be the best format for something were you can't generate it from the source. I love my JavaDoc big time though. |
| 13:33.23 | steev | if i want info about a boss, i go to wowwiki, if i want to do some programming, i hit wowprogramming |
| 13:34.13 | Wobin | to be quite honest. I'm looking at reStructured formatting. And I'm reminded why I don't write on wikis |
| 13:34.19 | Wobin | because it's a hell of a lot of typing |
| 13:34.27 | jnwhiteh | wikis make baby jesus cry |
| 13:34.33 | jnwhiteh | when baby jesus is the one editing the pages =) |
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| 13:34.44 | Codayus | Some are better than others. |
| 13:34.46 | asmodai | pschriner: The problem is a lack of proper hierarchies and categorization or proper indexing. The only thing going for it, as far as I am concerned, is the ability for quick WIP collaboration and hyperlinks. |
| 13:34.52 | Wobin | and formatting? =( |
| 13:34.56 | jnwhiteh | and the amount of work that goes into spidering and botting pages to even make the empty pages *shrug* |
| 13:35.00 | Codayus | Was playing with tiki wiki earlier, and...wow. It's TERRIBLE. |
| 13:35.01 | Whitetooth | I don't see how wowprogramming is hurting the community |
| 13:35.12 | Adys | jnwhiteh: Should make a google wave wowprogramming plugin |
| 13:35.16 | jnwhiteh | Whitetooth: it did intially, but I don't think it _is_. |
| 13:35.17 | pschriner | the documentation of php or mysql is a good example were you can contribute to a "main" documentation... I've often found the comments just as helpful |
| 13:35.33 | Wobin | pschriner, indeed. |
| 13:35.44 | jnwhiteh | Whitetooth: it hurt it because I could have instead spent my efforts bringing wowwiki up to date and making it 100% complete and better. |
| 13:35.45 | Wobin | where you can insert gotchas you might discover |
| 13:35.48 | pschriner | I personally hate writing in wikis though :D |
| 13:35.50 | jnwhiteh | Unfortunately the license did not allow me to do this. |
| 13:36.01 | Pneumatus | or example code, a-la-wowwiki |
| 13:36.04 | asmodai | pschriner: The only downside is unresponsive maintainers who don't incorporate said comments into the main body of documentation within a reasonable amount of time. |
| 13:36.09 | jnwhiteh | Trust me, I did not like going through and having to re-do everything. |
| 13:36.23 | jnwhiteh | It was months of hell. |
| 13:36.24 | Wobin | asmodai, sometimes it's better left outside of the main doc |
| 13:36.43 | Wobin | because if you -know- the details, you just want the exceptions that people have discovered |
| 13:36.55 | Wobin | and if you have to dig through the main text to find it... |
| 13:37.02 | Codayus | Usage examples actually make decent comments to, say, a plain vanilla command reference. It wouldn't always make sense to incorporate them as part of the page. |
| 13:37.20 | jnwhiteh | I <3 usage examples |
| 13:37.23 | pschriner | asmodai: afaik that doesn't happen on the php or mysql documentation at all - at least not that much - if there are plenty of comments it's still a lot more accessible than searching irc channel logs |
| 13:37.25 | jnwhiteh | they tend to make things concrete |
| 13:37.34 | Pneumatus | usage examples are very useful for functions that are used to achieve something else |
| 13:37.40 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Just to be frank and all that, as I always am, I am not trying to, in any way, negatively impact the community or tread over you and the other guys' work. I am just trying other approaches on a few fronts wrt the documentation. |
| 13:37.42 | jnwhiteh | plus i have fun writing them. |
| 13:37.53 | asmodai | Wobin: Fair point, but the other stuff needs to be collected though. |
| 13:37.55 | Wobin | as long as you don't stick to using monkeys flinging poo =P |
| 13:38.12 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: well that may not be your primary focus, but that's the end result as long as you are spending time contributing to a resource that isn't one of the already two widely and freely available resources. |
| 13:38.29 | Codayus | Mmm, I'm still not sure I fully understand the problem that needs new approaches explored. |
| 13:38.42 | Adys | what the hell |
| 13:38.43 | jnwhiteh | Codayus: I could not have said it better myself. |
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| 13:39.03 | asmodai | Codayus: documentation differs for people reading it. Some people prefer one format, others another. |
| 13:39.05 | Adys | why is there GetDungeonDifficulty, GetCurrentDungeonDifficulty, GetDefaultDungeonDifficulty and GetInstanceDifficulty |
| 13:39.14 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: I can generate any format you want, trivially. |
| 13:39.16 | asmodai | As far as my experience goes, there's no single approach that caters for the entire set. |
| 13:39.30 | Pneumatus | Adys: because they all do different things? :P |
| 13:39.50 | Wobin | Your default dungeon difficulty may differ from the one you're currently in |
| 13:40.30 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: But if that's your motivation, and I already have all the functions documented in a way that's completely decoupled from teh way they are displayed... |
| 13:40.35 | Pneumatus | your default could be 5man, you could be in a group with it set 5-man heroic, but the dungeon you're in might not support heroic so current would be 5man |
| 13:40.38 | Adys | yeah but GetDungeonDifficulty and GetInstanceDifficulty return different amount of values |
| 13:41.06 | asmodai | By the way: |
| 13:41.28 | asmodai | Other copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. <-- that's quite painful if you ever want to do anything with that data. You'd need permission from every single person who added something. |
| 13:41.36 | jnwhiteh | I have to go give a talk now, be back. |
| 13:41.38 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: which i can get |
| 13:41.42 | asmodai | Good luck! |
| 13:41.46 | asmodai | on the talk >_< |
| 13:43.20 | Mikk | asmodai: fwiw, if you're unhappy with how API info is displayed on wowwiki, you're warmly welcome to fiddle there, too |
| 13:43.24 | Mikk | which would make it easier to find |
| 13:43.56 | asmodai | Mikk: I'll need to recheck it. |
| 13:44.30 | Mikk | any large scale changes to existing stuff might need some talking over |
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| 13:44.42 | Mikk | but adding more is seldom wrong :P |
| 13:44.51 | asmodai | Mikk: You're involved with wowwiki? |
| 13:44.56 | Mikk | yes i'm an admin there |
| 13:45.01 | Mikk | largely idle but |
| 13:46.01 | quiescens | idler |
| 13:48.18 | Whitetooth | why doesn't Git have human readable revision numbers? |
| 13:48.38 | Codayus | It's a subtle plot to make you use Mercurial instead. |
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| 13:49.00 | ckknight | Whitetooth: due to its distributed nature, coming up with a human readable version would either be infeasible or create potential conflicts (like with Mercurial) |
| 13:49.18 | ckknight | in Mercurial, it has r1234, r1235, but they won't match machine-to-machine |
| 13:49.30 | Codayus | But people THINK they will. |
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| 13:49.45 | Codayus | Because people are easily confused. :( |
| 13:49.59 | winkiller | Whitetooth: why would it be NOT humanreadable? a perfectly suitable SHA-1 |
| 13:51.20 | Whitetooth | hmm couldn't the packager maintain a package number that could be used library version checking? |
| 13:51.49 | winkiller | what does that have to do with revision numbers? |
| 13:52.01 | winkiller | you shouldn't require a revision, but a tagged version |
| 13:53.23 | Whitetooth | because you have to manually update the version number if you use Git, but not when you use SVN |
| 13:53.59 | quiescens | do the commits at least have a date or something |
| 13:54.05 | quiescens | lol |
| 13:54.46 | Pneumatus | does git even have any kind of keyword substitution? |
| 13:55.47 | harl | why does winamp have a setting to move a 'deleted' file to the common recycle bin (instead of just deleting it?) - but no actual kind of function to delete a file.. |
| 13:55.52 | winkiller | http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/archives/git/0610/28891.html |
| 13:56.20 | winkiller | harl: it's an american product - aka idiotproof |
| 13:56.44 | winkiller | WINAMP GUNNA SU U U DELETEZ MAH MP3ZZZ! |
| 13:57.05 | winkiller | (sew you for additional fun) |
| 13:57.44 | harl | i like the sew better. |
| 13:57.52 | Pneumatus | so basically, don't use git for libs |
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| 13:58.27 | winkiller | I really don't see where it hurts if you apply a little thinking |
| 13:58.34 | sylvanaar | winkiller i read that as "keyword substitution doesnt fit well within my vcs design" |
| 13:58.37 | Grum | < Whitetooth> because you have to manually update the version number if you use Git, but not when you use SVN <-- you have to manually merge with SVN, but not when you use Git |
| 13:58.54 | winkiller | sylvanaar: well, that's the point. no ones' forced to use gut |
| 13:58.56 | winkiller | *gut |
| 13:59.00 | winkiller | it's an explanatio |
| 13:59.02 | Grum | git! |
| 13:59.11 | Pneumatus | yeh, linus doesnt want keword subs, so they aren't in git |
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| 13:59.24 | Grum | i completely agree it is pointless to have them |
| 13:59.30 | sylvanaar | in git |
| 13:59.31 | Repo | 10fubar_repafu: 03ansiik * r34 Locales (6 files in 1 directory): update locales |
| 13:59.35 | Grum | why would a 'number' be better than a sha? |
| 13:59.42 | Pneumatus | Grum: library revisions |
| 13:59.45 | Grum | when the number has all these side effects |
| 13:59.49 | sylvanaar | in git |
| 13:59.52 | Grum | Pneumatus: just update the version when you release? O.o |
| 14:00.09 | winkiller | Pneumatus: I wouldn't want $revision$ in my lib-version anyway |
| 14:00.16 | profalbert | you _can_ do a pre-commit-hook that incements the version for you |
| 14:00.18 | winkiller | that has to be set manuall, then tagged and released |
| 14:00.26 | Grum | profalbert: yup you can |
| 14:00.32 | Mikk | can you? |
| 14:00.36 | Grum | ofc you can |
| 14:00.42 | Mikk | i thought you couldn't modify anything in a precommit hook |
| 14:00.46 | profalbert | just a little grep and sed magic |
| 14:00.49 | Grum | ofc you can ;) |
| 14:01.06 | Pneumatus | does git let you install your own hooks per-repo? |
| 14:01.10 | Pneumatus | like CVS did |
| 14:01.11 | profalbert | yes |
| 14:01.17 | profalbert | ls .git/hooks |
| 14:01.27 | Grum | it *only* allows you to do it pre-repo |
| 14:01.34 | Grum | you cant do it globally afaik for pre-commit-hooks |
| 14:02.31 | sylvanaar | what does global mean? |
| 14:02.41 | Grum | systemwide |
| 14:02.50 | sylvanaar | what lets you do that? |
| 14:03.51 | profalbert | you also don't automatically copy them from the origin-repo |
| 14:04.04 | profalbert | maybe that's what CVS did, I dunnp |
| 14:04.55 | sylvanaar | shrugs |
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| 14:09.39 | sylvanaar | this is essentially build numbering - the way we are using it. |
| 14:09.44 | jnwhiteh | well that was fun |
| 14:11.35 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:13.38 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Short talk :| |
| 14:14.38 | asmodai | Are there any known instances where you can get a quest reward item twice? Aside from the obvious repeatable quests, of course. Talking more about armor or weapons and the likes. |
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| 14:18.45 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: yes, it was just a small portion of a larger session. |
| 14:18.56 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: If you'd like, I could run a script to tell you |
| 14:19.35 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Sorry, tell me what? |
| 14:19.42 | jnwhiteh | the quest reward question |
| 14:19.46 | asmodai | Ah |
| 14:19.59 | asmodai | Well, I am thinking of logging a ticket for Rawr |
| 14:20.22 | asmodai | because the optimizer keeps putting 2 quest reward weapons in both hands, or double the trinket you get from a quest in both trinket slots. |
| 14:20.28 | asmodai | Which, I think, is hardly possible. |
| 14:20.48 | asmodai | So, it would need to, under the water, mark those quest rewards as unique. |
| 14:20.53 | Pneumatus | rawr would just need to flag quest rewards as unique |
| 14:21.20 | sylvanaar | mutually exclusive |
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| 14:23.58 | sylvanaar | are you bypassing having to manually specify stuff to rawr's optimizer? |
| 14:24.02 | Pneumatus | i doubt rawr would want to do all the extra processing to work out what other quest rewards come from the same quest, then keep lists of which ones are exclusive of each other |
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| 14:25.33 | asmodai | Well, I think making quest rewards unique would resolve most issues. |
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| 14:26.12 | Pneumatus | the chances of someone being able to use 2 different quest rewards in the same set would be pretty slim id imagine |
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| 14:26.36 | sylvanaar | cant you just uncheck the ones you dont want |
| 14:26.42 | Wobin | Pneumatus, what about weapons? |
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| 14:26.52 | Wobin | main and offhand |
| 14:26.58 | Wobin | or dagger and wand |
| 14:27.03 | asmodai | sylvanaar: Problem is that if you uncheck a weapon or trinket in one slot, it auto-deselects the other slot as well |
| 14:27.16 | Pneumatus | asmodai: edit the item and set it unique |
| 14:27.19 | Pneumatus | problem solved |
| 14:27.39 | asmodai | Pneumatus: it's what I do now :) |
| 14:28.34 | Pneumatus | i think rawr could actually safely assume every quest item is unique without any problems |
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| 14:29.09 | Pneumatus | it would however still offer other quest rewards from the same quest in upgrade lists, i guess |
| 14:29.17 | sylvanaar | honestly - when are quest rewards optimal anyways |
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| 14:29.31 | Pneumatus | the onyxia head rewards arent bad |
| 14:29.37 | sylvanaar | just a few cases |
| 14:30.08 | Pneumatus | and the algalon cloaks etc |
| 14:30.16 | Pneumatus | but yes, for raid gearing, its only raid quests |
| 14:30.47 | Pneumatus | which are a small handful |
| 14:30.47 | Megalon | algalon rings :P |
| 14:30.48 | Pneumatus | they arent all rings |
| 14:30.48 | Pneumatus | its rings and cloaks iirc |
| 14:30.53 | Megalon | well, where else will you get raidlvl items |
| 14:30.57 | Megalon | then from raidquests |
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| 14:31.28 | Megalon | yea, but the cloaks are |
| 14:31.28 | Megalon | :x |
| 14:32.01 | Megalon | the melee ring has arpen+socket, enough for an item nowadays to make it bis for many classes |
| 14:33.04 | Fisker | Megalon |
| 14:33.06 | Fisker | it's your dad |
| 14:33.11 | Pneumatus | the algalon caster cloak is better for healers than the ring, iirc |
| 14:33.16 | Pneumatus | the ring has hit on or something |
| 14:34.11 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: http://pastey.net/126163 |
| 14:35.22 | Pneumatus | they must mostly be different quest -> same reward cross-faction or something arent they? |
| 14:35.49 | jnwhiteh | i assume so |
| 14:36.03 | Pneumatus | top two are :) |
| 14:36.06 | jnwhiteh | but those are ALL possible duplicates :P |
| 14:36.18 | asmodai | marks, potions, food so far |
| 14:36.19 | Repo | 10fubar_topscorefu: 03phyber 07master * v1.0.5-5-g0a39bf7 TopScoreFu.lua: [+1 commit] Fix Flametongue and Windfury. Fix old ignored spells. |
| 14:36.41 | asmodai | oh wow, even a duplicate glove now :D |
| 14:36.45 | asmodai | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=10919 |
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| 14:40.44 | asmodai | This one's even funnier: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=7298 |
| 14:40.49 | asmodai | same reward from 6 quests XD |
| 14:41.35 | Pneumatus | anyone know of an sim/spreadsheet/whatever that could effectively measure a discpriest rotation? |
| 14:41.54 | Codayus | asmodai: Yes, but the quests are exclusive. So you can't get the item twice. |
| 14:41.58 | Pneumatus | asmodai: class quest, you can only do it once |
| 14:42.44 | Codayus | Pneumatus: Rawr? |
| 14:42.53 | Pneumatus | Codayus: the rawr disc rotation is retarded |
| 14:43.01 | Codayus | How so? |
| 14:43.31 | Codayus | Besides, you can do a custom rotation. |
| 14:43.57 | Pneumatus | i know, but i need to work out the reset time |
| 14:44.56 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Cheers for that list! |
| 14:45.04 | jnwhiteh | np |
| 14:45.13 | jnwhiteh | thats the advantage of having all quest information a Lua table :P |
| 14:45.21 | Pneumatus | Codayus: for a start, Rawr doesn't know about glyph of Penance |
| 14:46.16 | Codayus | Pneumatus: Um, are you sure? |
| 14:46.16 | Pneumatus | disc tank flashheal == pws, penance, prom, fh x4, penance, fhx2, prim, fh, penance, fhx2 |
| 14:46.17 | Pneumatus | positive |
| 14:47.06 | Pneumatus | and if i put in a custom rotation, it will probably screw up because rawr wont think i can cast that many spells in that duration |
| 14:47.20 | Pneumatus | because it's not taking into account glyphed penance |
| 14:48.08 | Pneumatus | rawr has stopped gemming int for me now i've hit 36k mana because it thinks i should be mana stable, but im not |
| 14:48.46 | Pneumatus | and, a custom rotation doesnt let me select which spells im casting with borrowed time |
| 14:48.46 | Codayus | Hrm, you're right, toggling the penance glyph appears to have no effect at all. |
| 14:48.48 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic 07BW3 * r629 / (10 files in 5 directories): Tweak some localization stuff |
| 14:48.55 | Codayus | Which is fairly wrong. |
| 14:50.06 | Codayus | Which implies that one way or another it'll screw up the duration calculations of any cycles, and thus get the regen numbers wrong, so...hm. Fail. |
| 14:51.26 | Pneumatus | the disc tank w/fheal sucks as well because it doesnt shield often enough |
| 14:52.01 | Pneumatus | well, you can't make a pre-defined rotation for it, due to haste |
| 14:52.51 | Pneumatus | rawr also doesn't model engineer mana pots (for HolyPriest at least) either |
| 14:53.08 | Pneumatus | so i can't trust anything it says |
| 14:54.05 | Ingela | no, rawr sucks for a disc priest |
| 14:54.20 | Ingela | tried some with it myself, found no use for it :P |
| 14:54.34 | Ingela | ah well, it's good to find out what your gbc is in raid, but that's basicly it ^ |
| 14:54.34 | Pneumatus | it was fine until i hit 35/36k mana, now it's going all crazy |
| 14:54.37 | Ingela | ^^ |
| 14:55.27 | Pneumatus | suggesting retarded stuff like using the critheal meta |
| 14:55.27 | Ingela | yeh what the fuck is up with that, it always tell me to use the 11mp5 and 3% crit heal thing |
| 14:55.27 | Ingela | i'm like "uhm, no?" |
| 14:55.27 | Pneumatus | Ingela: it suggests insightful until it thinks you're mana stable |
| 14:55.39 | Pneumatus | then it starts wanting to gem hard spellpower, and using critheal meta |
| 14:55.40 | Ingela | no it doesn't for me :S |
| 14:55.48 | Pneumatus | :o |
| 14:55.55 | sb|work | mhh... |
| 14:55.59 | Repo | 10repgain2: 03texke * r52 / (2 files in 2 directories): Added The Mag'har |
| 14:56.09 | Codayus | Rawr is still roughly useful, but you do need to take its mana suggestions with a grain of salt. |
| 14:56.18 | Ingela | more like a truckload |
| 14:56.24 | Pneumatus | Codayus: for discpriest it's all about mana tho |
| 14:56.45 | Pneumatus | the amount of int on gear generally defines it for disc |
| 14:56.52 | Codayus | Pneumatus: Are you running out of mana on the content your doing? If yes, gem more int. If no, don't. |
| 14:57.03 | sb|work | if no - get more haste :p |
| 14:57.07 | Pneumatus | haste is ass |
| 14:57.12 | sb|work | i like it |
| 14:57.13 | Pneumatus | im already gcd capped for FH |
| 14:57.16 | Codayus | Rawr will tell you to gem int in situations where you are NOT running out of mana. |
| 14:57.17 | Pneumatus | or very close to it |
| 14:57.39 | Codayus | I'm also a little skeptical that Rawr is really modelling the haste soft cap from borowed time usefully. |
| 14:57.42 | Ingela | is that with borrowed time Pneumatus ? |
| 14:57.57 | Pneumatus | borrowed time im <1sec, normally im just over |
| 14:58.26 | Ingela | i'm thinking of gearing myself so i get a flash heal with borrowed time exactly 1sec |
| 14:58.29 | Ingela | that would be perfect wouldn't it |
| 14:58.38 | sb|work | no |
| 14:58.38 | Pneumatus | and when my gloves go off every 1min, im well below |
| 14:58.48 | sb|work | no need to have borrowed time + fh >= gcd |
| 14:58.59 | Pneumatus | BT + penance at 1 sec |
| 14:59.00 | Pneumatus | ftw |
| 14:59.07 | Codayus | Anyhow, if your in mostly ToC gear, and doing mostly ToC/Ulduar, you won't remotely have mana issues, but rawr will tell you to gem int with most reasonable settings, in my experience. :( |
| 14:59.42 | Pneumatus | i won't be happy till rapture is returning 1k! |
| 15:00.12 | Codayus | (Last time I had serious mana issues wah...hmm, KT in Naxx, I think. That was the last time I was mostly using int gems, too.) |
| 15:00.29 | Ingela | hey guys did you try this very imba addon made by some very imba guy? http://www.wowace.com/addons/ingelasrapture/ |
| 15:00.32 | Pneumatus | i have mana issues on fights i chainshield the raid |
| 15:00.38 | Ingela | very useful for tracking your rapture cd! |
| 15:00.51 | sb|work | i dont care about that CD :p |
| 15:00.56 | sb|work | spamming PW: S all the time |
| 15:00.58 | Pneumatus | nor me, sb|work |
| 15:01.04 | Ingela | =( |
| 15:01.08 | Ingela | i care about it |
| 15:01.11 | SunTsu | Ingela: By the name of it I'd assume everybody tracks your rapture |
| 15:01.23 | Ingela | SunTsu, some fucker already used "rapture" =( |
| 15:01.59 | Pneumatus | if im tank healing PW:S is up every weakened soul, or if im on 2 tanks/raid it's going off every 12 sec regardless |
| 15:02.08 | sb|work | Pneumatus: honestly i have way too much haste - but i can't get rid if it since its on every single piece... :p |
| 15:02.18 | Ingela | sb|work, how much haste are you on |
| 15:02.23 | sb|work | don't ask! :p |
| 15:02.26 | Ingela | no |
| 15:02.28 | Ingela | i wanna know |
| 15:02.28 | Ingela | =( |
| 15:02.30 | Pneumatus | i'm trying to work out if i'm gonna replace my helm or my legs next with T9 |
| 15:02.33 | sb|work | 629 |
| 15:02.44 | Ingela | link armory! |
| 15:02.54 | sb|work | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khaz%27goroth&n=Smb |
| 15:02.58 | Pneumatus | ive only got 454 unbuffed |
| 15:03.08 | Ingela | i'm at 432 |
| 15:03.15 | Ingela | not sure if more is needed |
| 15:03.19 | Ingela | i'm still unsure |
| 15:03.29 | Codayus | sb|work: I was over that until recently, managed to pick up some crit gear, and dropped to 557. |
| 15:03.31 | sb|work | well since i can't just remove it from gear... *shrug* its there :p |
| 15:03.44 | sb|work | Codayus: well most gear is crit+haste, so... :o |
| 15:03.44 | Pneumatus | oh, you regemmed SP then |
| 15:03.48 | sb|work | Pneumatus: yea |
| 15:04.10 | Pneumatus | was gonn say, your regen and mana pool is far lower than mine, but you've got like 300 more SP and a little more crit and haste |
| 15:04.21 | Codayus | Cloak off anub, badge ring, crafted bracers, T9 shoulders. Well, yeah, the bracers, are crit+haste, but I did have haste bracers, so meh. |
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| 15:04.34 | Pneumatus | and im never gonna finish my bloody valanyr |
| 15:04.39 | Pneumatus | 7 shards to go or something |
| 15:04.41 | sb|work | Codayus: its crit+haste, haste+spirit or some other strange stuff - so crit+haste is the best you can get :p |
| 15:05.03 | Codayus | Lots of mp5 around these days too, but yes. |
| 15:05.14 | sb|work | and don't tell me about my 43 hit rating, I KNOW! :p |
| 15:05.24 | Codayus | And not NEARLY enough crit+haste, which I agree is best, but...tough finding it. |
| 15:06.23 | Ingela | i have 29,77% crit with holy, 432 haste, 24733 mana... though 2874sp unbuffed (3050 something with inner fire) |
| 15:06.28 | Ingela | i'm so unsure how to gear myself |
| 15:06.30 | Pneumatus | sb|work: i'd take that offhand as well if i could prise it from casters fingers |
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| 15:06.46 | sb|work | Pneumatus: both casters already got it (10 heroic) |
| 15:07.04 | Pneumatus | we had the wand drop in 10man heroic the other night, but i wasnt in the group |
| 15:07.05 | Pneumatus | i cried |
| 15:07.11 | sb|work | Ingela: disc life is hard... if you want easy stuff, just reroll shaman :p |
| 15:07.26 | sb|work | its haste + sp > * an dnothing to think about :p |
| 15:07.35 | Pneumatus | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Ismo |
| 15:07.36 | Ingela | or bear tank, agi + stam and you're done :P |
| 15:07.51 | Pneumatus | the only gem i've got that i can't really justify is my bracer gem |
| 15:08.01 | Pneumatus | gemming for 4 spirit was retarded |
| 15:08.06 | sb|work | yea |
| 15:08.08 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 15:08.40 | Ingela | i don't get it, why do youw ant that much mana Pneumatus |
| 15:09.16 | Ingela | you get nice rapture proccs, sure, but i never go oom anyways and i have about the same haste as you do |
| 15:09.24 | Pneumatus | i go oom :o |
| 15:09.32 | sb|work | same here :p |
| 15:09.35 | Ingela | how?! O.O |
| 15:09.35 | sb|work | no problem to go oom ;) |
| 15:09.46 | sb|work | spam PW:S + FH + POM!? |
| 15:09.51 | sb|work | easy then |
| 15:09.59 | Pneumatus | yeh, on raid damage fights |
| 15:10.04 | Pneumatus | twin valks, for example |
| 15:10.15 | Ingela | yeh, for example twins, i'm on "make sure everyone survives"duty |
| 15:10.19 | Ingela | i do not go oom |
| 15:10.26 | Ingela | i spam shield and pom mostly |
| 15:10.31 | Ingela | and penance when it's needed |
| 15:10.43 | sb|work | mhhh... well |
| 15:11.00 | Ingela | i'm not sure if you or me is doing something wrong, because i won't go oom |
| 15:11.02 | Pneumatus | how many sources of replenishment do you take? |
| 15:11.03 | sylvanaar | are you refering to hard mode twins? |
| 15:11.07 | Pneumatus | yes |
| 15:11.09 | Ingela | yes |
| 15:11.13 | sylvanaar | k |
| 15:11.21 | sb|work | you should put 1 point into soul warding then -4s CD PW: S *hides* |
| 15:11.29 | Ingela | OH |
| 15:11.32 | Ingela | thanks for the tip |
| 15:11.33 | sb|work | ;) |
| 15:11.37 | Ingela | :D:D |
| 15:11.50 | Ingela | Pneumatus, what do you mean, i have replenishment up all time i think |
| 15:12.05 | Pneumatus | see, we dont |
| 15:12.12 | Ingela | why not! |
| 15:12.22 | Ingela | poor raid setup then? |
| 15:12.22 | Pneumatus | we've only got max 2 people giving replenishment, so it's not always up on everyone that needs it |
| 15:12.59 | Mec | runs for the hills. |
| 15:13.01 | Pneumatus | on twinvalks, i mean |
| 15:13.03 | Ingela | well, rogues + warriors do not use it, don't you have 5 of those? |
| 15:13.08 | Repo | 10repgain2: 03texke * r53 Factions/TBC.lua: Forgot about the Alliance, oops. |
| 15:13.11 | Ingela | and dks |
| 15:13.24 | Ingela | so 2 should be enough covering 20 people? |
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| 15:13.43 | Pneumatus | we have an spriest and hunter on orbs so they aren't keeping replenishment rolling, which leaves it to the ret |
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| 15:20.15 | mojosdojo | Repo: ping |
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| 15:21.04 | mojosdojo | hmm, what was that command again? |
| 15:21.13 | Stanzilla | @ping |
| 15:21.47 | mojosdojo | ok, seems to be dead |
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| 15:22.00 | Repo | 10ora3: 03mojosdojo * r281 locales/deDE.lua: deDE update |
| 15:22.04 | Repo | pong |
| 15:22.10 | Repo | pong |
| 15:22.28 | mojosdojo | there we go |
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| 15:23.56 | AckisWork | netsplits break reppo |
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| 15:24.54 | Ingela | poor Repo =( |
| 15:25.17 | steev | http://tweetphoto.com/0munab6b |
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| 15:31.32 | Mec | whats the name of that other cable type that most LCDs have now? the other one besides svga |
| 15:32.14 | Stanzilla | dvi? |
| 15:32.47 | Mec | ah thats right, thanks |
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| 15:46.48 | sylvanaar | hdmi as well |
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| 15:53.49 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03Whitetooth * r261 RatingBuster.lua: |
| 15:53.53 | Repo | - Rating Conversion, Stat Breakdown, Stat Summary can each be set to show on ALT, SHIFT, CTRL, Always, or Never. |
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| 16:17.00 | Pneu^ | oooh, how long have we been able to delete comments on curse.com :o |
| 16:17.24 | steev | anyone know how to make skinner and pMinimap play nice? |
| 16:17.45 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah delete skinner |
| 16:17.51 | steev | http://ubersekret.com/screenshots/fail.png <-- look at the clock on pMinimap |
| 16:17.58 | steev | ArrowmasterClass: i use it for the borders :( |
| 16:18.01 | durcyn | what kind of person uses skinner |
| 16:18.17 | Pneumatus | that looks horrible |
| 16:18.21 | Pneumatus | in general, i mean :o |
| 16:18.35 | steev | yeah it kinda does :/ |
| 16:18.48 | steev | i hit 80 before i finished working on it |
| 16:19.18 | Ingela | Pneumatus, i just rememberd, i hav solace of the fallen :P |
| 16:19.26 | Ingela | i get plenty of mana regen form that i guess |
| 16:20.12 | sb|work | giev :( |
| 16:20.25 | Ingela | nevah! |
| 16:20.36 | Pneumatus | i dunno, i like int trinks :< |
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| 16:21.39 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic 07BW3 * r630 / (19 files in 3 directories): Trying to get more localizations going |
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| 16:53.42 | asmodai | omg |
| 16:53.44 | asmodai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q&fmt=18 |
| 16:54.42 | asmodai | didn't even know CCP had offices in Atlanta and Shanghai by now :| |
| 16:54.48 | Ingela | it looks cold |
| 16:54.54 | asmodai | That too :) |
| 16:55.42 | asmodai | *visits the office in Shanghai to meet the chicks* |
| 16:55.51 | asmodai | Oh wait, going to Japan soon anyway. :P |
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| 17:26.53 | steev | asmodai: fittingly, when i shortened that youtube video url in destroytwitter, it shortened it to tr.im/ASS6 |
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| 17:29.24 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r130 SimpleMD.lua: poke to package new koKR translations |
| 17:29.53 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Ammo * r6503 / (8 files in 5 directories): - add global flash and shake toggle |
| 17:29.56 | Repo | - add custom flash and shake color to colors module |
| 17:29.59 | Repo | - make consistent API in colors module |
| 17:30.01 | Repo | - remove useless color upgrade code |
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| 17:46.15 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r367 Prat-3.0.toc: test hgsubversion |
| 17:46.45 | sylvanaar | neato |
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| 18:01.23 | sb|work | err WTF |
| 18:01.24 | sb|work | http://www.heise.de/imgs/18/4/1/4/4/8/9/results-2d86e5bcbcee8f84.jpg |
| 18:01.27 | sb|work | thats sick |
| 18:02.52 | Ingela | i heard it was fake sb|work |
| 18:03.32 | sb|work | yea.. looks like fake, but.. wtf :) |
| 18:04.44 | Ingela | http://gizmodo.com/5374890/this-is-a-photoshop-and-it-blew-my-mind |
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| 18:08.55 | NeoTron | so is it fake or real, make up your mind? :P |
| 18:13.10 | Whitetooth | it says it was presented at Siggraph Asia 2009, so you can cheeck that |
| 18:13.33 | Pneumatus | anyone know if xmute titanium bar still has a cooldown? |
| 18:13.41 | markm_ | afaik |
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| 18:16.26 | asmodai | mmm, first verdict: LoL > HoN |
| 18:17.05 | Fisker | well that's like saying links > opera in browsers |
| 18:17.08 | Fisker | sure links is better |
| 18:17.13 | Fisker | but they're both shit and the end of the day |
| 18:17.18 | asmodai | Fisker: hahaha |
| 18:17.22 | Fisker | s/and/at/ |
| 18:17.22 | asmodai | Opera is pretty nice |
| 18:17.32 | asmodai | You just hate it because it's Norwegian |
| 18:17.34 | asmodai | :P |
| 18:17.38 | Fisker | nah |
| 18:17.42 | Bruners | is forcing himself to use Opera |
| 18:17.53 | Fisker | i just hate it because the devs are a bunch of douchebags |
| 18:19.08 | Fisker | must kinda suck to be worried that much about apple taking over your 4th spot on the top 4 internet browser list so you can't make the Windows 7 browser ballot screen ;( |
| 18:19.08 | asmodai | Heh |
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| 18:19.52 | asmodai | But anyway, LoL's UI is so much clearer. Plus your hero unit doesn't get lost amongst the creeps and others. |
| 18:22.55 | Pneumatus | leatherworking is retarded, i've spent the last 3 levels rightclicking borean leather scraps only to find out i could have been getting skill points for it |
| 18:24.10 | NeoTron | I hate opera because it doesn't have adblock. like any other browser that's not firefox |
| 18:24.34 | asmodai | Pneumatus: eh? |
| 18:24.48 | NeoTron | Pneumatus: could be worse - you could have been crafting in Aion |
| 18:25.13 | Pneumatus | asmodai: if you rightclick borean scraps they turn into borean leather, but leatherworkers also have a craft to turn scraps -> leather |
| 18:26.36 | asmodai | Ahhh |
| 18:26.41 | asmodai | NeoTron: So how's Aion? |
| 18:26.45 | asmodai | Pneumatus: that sucks :( |
| 18:27.32 | NeoTron | asmodai: I'll start with saying I'm playing a cleric, which I believe is the slowest class for leveling |
| 18:27.42 | mitch0 | neotron: right-click->block content |
| 18:27.44 | asmodai | Anyone know anything about professionbars? I was going to look for something for stolen, but I cannot for the love of me see how to get its display or so |
| 18:27.45 | NeoTron | that said, it's starting to feel grindy and I'm only level 18 |
| 18:27.54 | NeoTron | and crafting and gathering is absolutely horribly grindy |
| 18:28.04 | NeoTron | so not so good |
| 18:28.26 | NeoTron | and the two worst annoyances - each server in Aion seems to have as many gold spammers as all wow servers combined |
| 18:28.40 | NeoTron | and the sound effects when fighting drives me crazy. |
| 18:28.59 | NeoTron | so. seen better. seen worse too but yeah |
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| 18:30.06 | asmodai | Mmm, was thinking of buying and trying |
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| 18:30.12 | asmodai | but then I realized: oh, NCSoft... |
| 18:31.06 | asmodai | Ah, well, I can tell stolen he sucks at drycoding :D |
| 18:32.05 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: the sound already annoyed me in the beta events |
| 18:32.18 | nevcairiel | also the leveling process was mighty boring |
| 18:33.25 | asmodai | So, grind, grind, grind? |
| 18:33.32 | asmodai | Sounds like an Asian MMORPG alright :P |
| 18:34.04 | nevcairiel | interesting, john sheridan in heroes .. or at least they guy that played him .. only recognized him by his voice at first :P |
| 18:34.15 | Thrae | Making a fun, long-lasting game takes a lot more money then making a fun game with a lot of timesinks. |
| 18:34.20 | asmodai | Bruce Boxleitner? |
| 18:34.28 | nevcairiel | yea, i think that was his name |
| 18:34.36 | asmodai | Cool, nice actor. |
| 18:34.45 | nevcairiel | i recently re-watched B5 :P |
| 18:34.47 | asmodai | Quite a distinct voice. |
| 18:34.53 | asmodai | Hahaha, still need to see the last season |
| 18:35.14 | Thrae | B5 needs ressurection by its original creator. At least add 3 more seasons to Crusade. |
| 18:35.35 | nevcairiel | i love B5, although the last season feeled a bit patched on, but still good, though |
| 18:35.42 | asmodai | I liked finding out he was also responsible for Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors |
| 18:36.04 | asmodai | I guess only you kids who grew up in the 80s know that |
| 18:36.14 | nevcairiel | never heard of it |
| 18:36.35 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Yeah that wasn't the director's fault. TBS had tried to cancel them numerous times before and just wanted them done. |
| 18:36.49 | mitch0 | the one with the vehicles grouwing out of fruit stuff? |
| 18:36.49 | asmodai | Yes |
| 18:36.50 | mitch0 | that was cool ;) |
| 18:37.08 | asmodai | There's a reference about being between the candle and the star |
| 18:37.14 | asmodai | that's in Jayce as well as in B5 |
| 18:37.28 | mitch0 | been watching that as a kid on sky one ;) I think half my english knowledge comes from that (and star trek :) |
| 18:37.36 | nevcairiel | Thrae: i know, i know. I was kinda sad by some of the later movies, too. But i heard the producers just limited the money too much :( |
| 18:37.48 | asmodai | mitch0: hahaha, I used to watch Super and Sky Channel when I was young too :D |
| 18:38.04 | asmodai | First "real" anime I saw: Robotech/Macross |
| 18:38.15 | Ingela | zomg i just did world first kill algalon 10man |
| 18:38.26 | nevcairiel | world first? i dont think so :P |
| 18:38.27 | Ingela | .. for my char |
| 18:38.29 | asmodai | (not knowing a lot of other cartoons were also Japanese made) |
| 18:38.52 | nevcairiel | They should get B5 in BluRay, i would so buy that |
| 18:38.52 | Thrae | asmodai: No Transformers before that? |
| 18:38.58 | nicoli_s | xtek |
| 18:39.03 | nevcairiel | i wonder if their material is good enough for that =( |
| 18:39.11 | Xtek | nicoli_s |
| 18:39.22 | Ingela | hey nevcairiel, is there any easy way to show both debuffs and buffs in srf? |
| 18:39.33 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 18:39.34 | asmodai | Thrae: Saw it too, but thought it was US made. |
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| 18:39.42 | Thrae | nevcairiel: It'd probably have to be touched up for Blu-ray, and I don't think Sony has connections with whoever owns the rights right now. |
| 18:39.45 | Ingela | wtb that option for next update nevcairiel ! |
| 18:39.56 | asmodai | Thrae: btw, the new comics they got in the past few years rock, great art style. |
| 18:40.01 | Thrae | asmodai: Not the original Transformers. It Came From Japan. |
| 18:40.03 | nevcairiel | Thrae: how does sony come in there? |
| 18:40.14 | asmodai | Thrae: G1? Yeah, I know that now. |
| 18:40.41 | Thrae | Some of the later stuff was Canadian. |
| 18:40.41 | asmodai | Although Optimus Prime still beats hearing Convoy >_< |
| 18:40.42 | nicoli_s | i need to get the transformers cartoon movie on dvd, i have it on vhs but no vcr anymore |
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| 18:41.04 | asmodai | nicoli_s: the one against Unicron? |
| 18:41.04 | nicoli_s | yah |
| 18:41.04 | asmodai | from 1986, I think |
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| 18:41.05 | asmodai | Got it on AVI or so here |
| 18:41.07 | nicoli_s | that shit was great |
| 18:41.21 | nicoli_s | i have most of the comic arc that goes along with it too |
| 18:41.28 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Because Sony wheels and deals to get as many older movies and TV series re-touched to Blu-ray for their licensing right sales and PS3 sales. |
| 18:41.28 | asmodai | haha, cool |
| 18:41.35 | nevcairiel | Ah. |
| 18:41.47 | nicoli_s | one thing i noticed from looking at my old transformers comics, is that someone dies in almost every issue |
| 18:41.49 | asmodai | I miss Chris Latta's voice :( |
| 18:42.06 | asmodai | Starscream and Cobra Commander were just phenomenal. |
| 18:42.49 | asmodai | Watching Michael Bay rape my childhood's memories ain't helping either. :( |
| 18:42.49 | Thrae | Anyone watch(ed) Robot Chicken? |
| 18:42.49 | asmodai | I'm waiting for someone to announce a movie conversion of M.A.S.K. |
| 18:42.50 | asmodai | (Please, no COPS.) |
| 18:42.53 | nicoli_s | who doesnt thrae, ill beat em u[ |
| 18:42.55 | nicoli_s | up* |
| 18:43.13 | Thrae | nicoli_s: Screw Adult Swim for canceling them...again...for the 15th time... |
| 18:43.19 | nicoli_s | they did? |
| 18:43.24 | Thrae | The generation they're targetting isn't getting THAT old! |
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| 18:43.42 | Thrae | nicoli_s: The last episode had the president of Adult Swim say they're cancelled. |
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| 18:44.09 | Thrae | nicoli_s: After he did various 80s dances. |
| 18:44.31 | nicoli_s | thrae: they do that every season |
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| 18:44.51 | Thrae | So, anyone born in the 80s or early 70s and watched TV should really watch Robot Chicken. |
| 18:44.55 | nicoli_s | if i recall correctly, all the seasons end with them getting cancelled, and all the first episodes are them getting it back |
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| 18:46.14 | Thrae | nicoli_s: Well the way it works is that their contract is for one season only. So technically they are cancelled, until/if Adult Swim orders another season. |
| 18:46.30 | nicoli_s | well wikipedia lists a 5th season as 2010 |
| 18:46.53 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Ammo * r6506 OnyxiasLair/Onyxia.lua: bugfix engage message |
| 18:47.53 | asmodai | Just to make sure it ain't an addon I am using, anyone else notice that when a corpse has no loot, you stay bent over, no loot frame showing? |
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| 18:53.11 | mitch0 | happens sometimes, happened sometimes ever sine launch |
| 18:53.33 | asmodai | ok |
| 18:54.18 | mitch0 | my c key is semi-broken |
| 18:57.38 | Thrae | nicoli_s: I hate it when Wikipedia has no sources. |
| 18:58.26 | steev | http://www.cracked.com/blog/using-windows-7-may-lead-to-murder/ |
| 18:58.26 | Fisker | That's because they're under a NDA |
| 18:58.33 | Fisker | fuck yeah steev |
| 19:01.30 | FtH|Daemona | wow, i felt like killing a kitten when i figured out there is no driver for win7 64 for my wlan adapter.... |
| 19:01.35 | FtH|Daemona | now i know why steev |
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| 19:04.25 | steev | ilevel 277 |
| 19:04.28 | steev | gtfo |
| 19:04.29 | steev | wtf |
| 19:04.38 | asmodai | eh? |
| 19:04.49 | steev | icecrown 25 heroic ilevel |
| 19:04.53 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:04.58 | Fisker | non-heroic? |
| 19:05.00 | Fisker | also sauce |
| 19:05.02 | steev | 264 |
| 19:05.05 | Fisker | wtf |
| 19:05.06 | steev | same as 10 heroic |
| 19:05.07 | asmodai | Fisker: milk |
| 19:05.08 | steev | 10 is 251 |
| 19:05.18 | Fisker | you just ordered a thousand liters of it |
| 19:05.37 | asmodai | You producing? |
| 19:06.07 | Fisker | no |
| 19:06.11 | Fisker | i just sell it |
| 19:06.13 | Fisker | sauce steev |
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| 19:15.12 | NeoTron | hai ilevuls are rad |
| 19:17.01 | NeoTron | wait they are changing hard modes once again |
| 19:17.03 | NeoTron | ? |
| 19:17.34 | NeoTron | or maybe it's just worded oddly but it sounds like you toggle each encounter between normal/heroic |
| 19:17.45 | nevcairiel | another change? |
| 19:17.51 | nevcairiel | link |
| 19:18.07 | NeoTron | http://www.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 19:18.19 | NeoTron | "Each encounter can be fought in either normal or Heroic mode, and players can use a new user interface feature to toggle easily between difficulties." |
| 19:18.37 | nevcairiel | Hm, sounds like it |
| 19:18.49 | nevcairiel | maybe they didnt like the two-ids-per-size thing |
| 19:19.07 | NeoTron | and btw I don't care how much you "hate" each other. I still find it rather amazingly stupid to fight eachother when you have a horde of undead nearby gnawing on your legs |
| 19:19.26 | NeoTron | it goes back to, unfortunately, the problem where smaller guilds has to pick loot or hard mode :-/ |
| 19:19.45 | nevcairiel | not only smaller guilds :P |
| 19:19.51 | NeoTron | well |
| 19:19.56 | NeoTron | more casual guilds |
| 19:20.11 | NeoTron | ones that raid 5-6 days per week aren't as greatly affected |
| 19:21.31 | nevcairiel | I'm still kinda looking for a semi-casual 10-man guild for post-cataclysm |
| 19:21.46 | NeoTron | so far 10 man just doesn't seem to work to me |
| 19:21.47 | nevcairiel | well not actively looking |
| 19:22.08 | NeoTron | s/to me/for me/ |
| 19:22.22 | nevcairiel | i don't have the time anymore to play 25-man raids, 5 days a week or so |
| 19:22.27 | NeoTron | mainly because even if I like more casual raiding (i.e not 4-6 days per week), I still play most every day |
| 19:22.37 | nevcairiel | 10man you can complete faster, less potential for idiots, if you pick your people =p |
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| 19:22.57 | NeoTron | for sure. but it also means you can't do an offnight 10 man run, and might have a hard time even doing 5-mans offnight |
| 19:22.58 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r6508 / (5 files in 4 directories): deDE update |
| 19:23.11 | nevcairiel | why is that? |
| 19:23.15 | NeoTron | due to naturally lower attendance on offnights that all guilds see |
| 19:23.23 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 19:23.35 | NeoTron | that's just my personal experience with 10 man raiding in wotlk |
| 19:24.06 | nevcairiel | preferably i would play with my old guildmates that are still into 25-man raiding, and do the 10mans with them on weekends or so |
| 19:24.53 | nevcairiel | although i probably lost track of most of them, guild kinda died, and i didnt have most of them on friend list .. until cataclysm hits, i probably won't get many people back :P |
| 19:26.04 | nevcairiel | actually, it was kinda silly .. after i quit, they merged with another guild to keep the attendance up, then most of the old original people from my guild left for other guilds .. and now the guild we merged with owns our guild .. so they essentially renamed :P |
| 19:27.14 | Antiarc | http://i35.tinypic.com/1zbcsg5.png |
| 19:27.15 | Antiarc | Whee. |
| 19:27.59 | [Ammo] | reimplementing forte cooldown and/or coolLine eh? |
| 19:28.14 | Antiarc | Yeah |
| 19:28.21 | Antiarc | Forte is stupid heavy, and coolline is hacky |
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| 19:28.55 | NeoTron | force is a major piece of crap |
| 19:28.59 | NeoTron | forte even |
| 19:29.17 | Hjalte | Is it possible to see who is marking stuff? We have a problem with someone being promoted who is letting their boss mod run rampart. |
| 19:29.26 | [Ammo] | impossible |
| 19:29.30 | asmodai | Antiarc: Whatcha call it? |
| 19:29.47 | Antiarc | SexyCooldown. :P |
| 19:29.53 | Antiarc | Figure I'll stick with a theme. |
| 19:30.08 | NeoTron | SexyMap work with tomtom yet in HUD mode? :P |
| 19:30.19 | jnwhiteh | nope. |
| 19:30.26 | Antiarc | I have no idea why it should break, you don't have to use the compass ring to get heading anymore |
| 19:30.27 | jnwhiteh | its not a SexyMap problem, really |
| 19:30.42 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: because the point information is in the OnUpdate for the waypoints, which are on the minimap |
| 19:30.47 | jnwhiteh | so it gets hidden, and the frames get hidden. |
| 19:30.54 | Antiarc | Ah, that makes sense. |
| 19:30.55 | jnwhiteh | The fix is to parent them to some other frame that never hides |
| 19:30.59 | jnwhiteh | which is like a one-liner |
| 19:31.01 | jnwhiteh | NeoTron: want to test for me? |
| 19:31.18 | NeoTron | jnwhiteh: well I would if I actually had an active account |
| 19:31.24 | jnwhiteh | but there's a scaling issue that i have to fuck with them |
| 19:31.25 | jnwhiteh | then |
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| 19:31.30 | jnwhiteh | ooh, tricky |
| 19:31.34 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
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| 19:32.02 | [Ammo] | just get antiarc to not hide the minimap but move it offscreen like a gazillion pixels? |
| 19:32.10 | jnwhiteh | i think that would work :P |
| 19:32.12 | Antiarc | Doesn't work. Minimap objects are mutually exclusive |
| 19:32.14 | jnwhiteh | but that's diiiiiirty |
| 19:32.17 | Antiarc | If you have two visible, they freak the hell out |
| 19:32.25 | Antiarc | Stuff goes completely wacky |
| 19:32.26 | [Ammo] | I like diiirty |
| 19:32.28 | NeoTron | "special" |
| 19:32.32 | jnwhiteh | suggestions? |
| 19:32.59 | Antiarc | Could just toggle the hudmap off/on after changing a HudMap point? |
| 19:33.04 | Antiarc | Err |
| 19:33.06 | [Ammo] | add an API to TomTom that says 'hey psst, use this minimap object' |
| 19:33.07 | Antiarc | A tomtom point |
| 19:33.13 | Antiarc | Or that works too |
| 19:33.28 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 19:33.31 | jnwhiteh | i can parent them to anything I want, that's simple |
| 19:33.33 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic 07BW3 * r631 / (97 files in 14 directories): Localization updates in preparation for a release. |
| 19:33.37 | jnwhiteh | i just need them to follow the scaling on the minimap |
| 19:33.45 | jnwhiteh | but detecting scale changes is .. shitty. |
| 19:33.53 | nevcairiel | thats where parenting is nice ;) |
| 19:33.59 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 19:34.13 | [Ammo] | so parent them to the minimap that Antiarc passes your TomTom:UseThisDamnMap() func :p |
| 19:34.23 | jnwhiteh | i could provide a TomTom:ChangeMinimap() or something if Antiarc doesn't hate that. |
| 19:34.35 | jnwhiteh | i just dunno if it would break naything else =) |
| 19:34.36 | Antiarc | I do it for Routes already :P |
| 19:34.50 | Antiarc | Routes:ReparentMinimap(HudMapCluster) |
| 19:35.07 | jnwhiteh | then i'll do that |
| 19:35.18 | Antiarc | Sounds like a plan. Just give me an API to implement. |
| 19:35.29 | asmodai | Oww, while Antiarc is in a good mood... *nudge nudge* |
| 19:35.34 | Antiarc | Uh oh |
| 19:35.37 | asmodai | muahaha |
| 19:35.52 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: so is my cooldown mod done? |
| 19:36.18 | asmodai | Antiarc: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexymap/tickets/30-add-support-for-get-minimap-shape/ |
| 19:36.23 | asmodai | might be related |
| 19:36.32 | nevcairiel | sexmap has a shape? |
| 19:36.35 | nevcairiel | *sexy |
| 19:36.49 | Fisker | sexmap? |
| 19:37.05 | Antiarc | There's a reason I didn't implement GetMinimapShape intentionally, and I can't remember what it was |
| 19:37.09 | asmodai | rofl |
| 19:37.10 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: Almost. :) |
| 19:37.22 | asmodai | Freudian slip nev? |
| 19:37.32 | nevcairiel | just typing failure |
| 19:37.32 | Antiarc | I think a lot of it is that SexyMap supports piecewise shape definitions, which GetMinimapShape doesn't account for |
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| 19:37.50 | nevcairiel | well there are shapes for only-one-round-corner |
| 19:37.58 | nevcairiel | and stuff |
| 19:38.02 | asmodai | Problem is, I can hide almost any button, except EBB's |
| 19:38.15 | nevcairiel | so blame EBB :P |
| 19:38.34 | asmodai | Which is what led to that ticket, IIRC :P |
| 19:38.44 | Antiarc | I guess I could return approximate shapes |
| 19:38.45 | asmodai | Heck, Elkano asked me to upvote it :P |
| 19:39.04 | jnwhiteh | anyone have SexyMap and TomTOm and want to test? |
| 19:39.10 | Antiarc | I do, jnwhiteh :P |
| 19:39.17 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: I do as well |
| 19:39.26 | jnwhiteh | http://pastey.net/126175 |
| 19:39.28 | Antiarc | But...you can define literally any minimap shape you want with Sexymap, of any complexity, and GetMinimapShape assumes a fairly restricted set |
| 19:39.30 | jnwhiteh | TomTom_Waypoints.lua |
| 19:39.43 | jnwhiteh | there's TomTom:ReparentMinimap(minimapObject) |
| 19:39.50 | jnwhiteh | and in theory |
| 19:39.52 | jnwhiteh | it _MIGHT_ work |
| 19:39.56 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 19:39.56 | nevcairiel | Antiarc: just define an approx shape which fits best, so the silly icons don't sit right in the middle of it =p |
| 19:40.00 | jnwhiteh | or the measurements might go all fucking wonky |
| 19:40.06 | Antiarc | I'll give it a go. |
| 19:40.08 | jnwhiteh | if that works, i'll commit it and push |
| 19:40.17 | Mikk | there's one major fuckup with GetMinimapShape |
| 19:40.21 | Mikk | it doesn't detect changes >.< |
| 19:40.31 | jnwhiteh | ah boo.. yeah |
| 19:40.41 | nevcairiel | its a polling API, not an event system :P |
| 19:40.58 | Mikk | and i mean.. how many people even re-poll on ADDON_LOADED ? |
| 19:41.16 | nevcairiel | don't have map addons be LoD? :D |
| 19:41.20 | asmodai | and another curse client update XD |
| 19:41.26 | nevcairiel | s/be/as/ |
| 19:41.40 | Antiarc | hm, I have an old version of tomtom. Will ahve to fix that :P |
| 19:41.43 | Mikk | that's obviously the answer right now, yes |
| 19:41.44 | Xtek | asmodai |
| 19:41.48 | Mikk | but |
| 19:41.49 | Xtek | This one includes auto-updating. :) |
| 19:41.49 | asmodai | Xtek: Aye? |
| 19:41.53 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 19:41.56 | Mikk | what if the minimap addon loads after your addon? =P |
| 19:41.59 | asmodai | Xtek: background updating you mean? |
| 19:42.05 | Xtek | For addons. |
| 19:42.09 | asmodai | owww |
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| 19:43.01 | asmodai | Xtek: Any idea when the profiler gets added again? |
| 19:43.14 | Xtek | Let me ask. |
| 19:43.38 | asmodai | Xtek: because I am finding a lot of nodes not in gathermate's data, which apparently is based on wowdb's data |
| 19:44.03 | Xtek | Before we release it to the public. |
| 19:44.22 | asmodai | Xtek: oh sweet, you now offer to remove the associated SVs too? nice |
| 19:44.25 | asmodai | Xtek: k cool |
| 19:44.25 | Antiarc | Hrm, how do I duplicate the problem with the arrow pointing in the wrong direction? |
| 19:44.31 | Xtek | Yes. |
| 19:44.40 | Antiarc | Adding a pin with HudMap up works just dandy |
| 19:44.54 | NeoTron | move |
| 19:45.07 | NeoTron | it doesn't update distances |
| 19:45.07 | asmodai | Xtek: So how does addon sync work nowadays, just the settings for the addons (which addon and which install type?) |
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| 19:45.18 | Antiarc | Got it. |
| 19:45.36 | Xtek | Addon sync is just which addons you have installed and the backup aspect of addon sync is the actual settings. |
| 19:45.51 | Xtek | Settings are not automatically synced, they're only automatically backed up. |
| 19:47.09 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: I have a version desync or something; the file you pasted is massively different from what I just pulled off wowi |
| 19:47.19 | Antiarc | TomTom-222\TomTom.lua:196: attempt to call method 'ShowHideCrazyArrow' (a nil value) |
| 19:47.20 | asmodai | Xtek: the restore/backup buttons still look odd there, text is cut off at the bottom |
| 19:47.25 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 19:47.26 | jnwhiteh | one sec |
| 19:47.36 | Antiarc | (after overwriting the crazyarrow file with your pastie) |
| 19:47.43 | jnwhiteh | its not crazyarrow |
| 19:47.44 | jnwhiteh | its waypoints |
| 19:47.45 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:47.48 | Antiarc | durrrrrr |
| 19:47.51 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 19:48.17 | Xtek | asmodai, can you take a screenshot? |
| 19:49.21 | Antiarc | It's not updating, it seems. |
| 19:49.25 | asmodai | Xtek: aye |
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| 19:49.36 | Antiarc | I called reparent, but with my cluster - does it need to be the minimap object itself? |
| 19:49.36 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: even with the reparent change? |
| 19:49.52 | jnwhiteh | no, it should be the new minimap |
| 19:50.36 | Antiarc | Doesn't work reparenting to the minimap, either |
| 19:50.50 | jnwhiteh | hrm. |
| 19:50.50 | Antiarc | I reparent to the cluster for QuestHelper and Routes, but I don't quite remember why |
| 19:50.58 | Antiarc | Something to do with scaling, I think |
| 19:51.08 | jnwhiteh | do you do this before the frame is hidden |
| 19:51.11 | jnwhiteh | i.e. if a frame is shown |
| 19:51.14 | jnwhiteh | and then its parent is hidden |
| 19:51.16 | jnwhiteh | and you reparent it |
| 19:51.18 | jnwhiteh | is it shown again? |
| 19:51.28 | asmodai | Xtek: http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/addonsync.png |
| 19:51.35 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: after line 97, add a waypoint:Show() |
| 19:51.44 | Antiarc | I'm using a second minimap object, not reparenting the Blizzard one |
| 19:51.52 | jnwhiteh | no i know that |
| 19:51.55 | jnwhiteh | i'm saying |
| 19:51.57 | jnwhiteh | if the minimap is hidden |
| 19:51.59 | jnwhiteh | the normal minimap |
| 19:52.04 | jnwhiteh | then my waypoints would be hidden |
| 19:52.09 | Antiarc | Right |
| 19:52.10 | jnwhiteh | and if you then setparent them, i dont know if they get shown again |
| 19:52.16 | Xtek | asmodai, it's because you're using a high DPI setting under XP and it will get fixed |
| 19:52.51 | asmodai | actually |
| 19:52.56 | asmodai | my DPI setting is 96 |
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| 19:53.12 | asmodai | Which is normal according to Windows. |
| 19:53.52 | Xtek | asmodai, it looks like it's higher than that your window title text and close buttons are big. |
| 19:54.42 | Antiarc | Hrm, I see. Not sure why it's not working, but I can likely debug it. |
| 19:54.47 | asmodai | Odd, wonder if the nvidia settings might have done something. |
| 19:55.01 | asmodai | It's the Windows XP Style - Silver I use, haven't changed anything in that. |
| 19:55.03 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: it may be an issue with astrolabe, I'm not really sure |
| 19:55.13 | jnwhiteh | but i'm still strapped for time as far as replacing that library =) |
| 19:55.18 | Xtek | asmodai, no idea but that window looks like a higher DPI setting. |
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| 19:56.16 | Antiarc | I think it is, point.minimap retains a reference to the original minimap |
| 19:56.25 | Antiarc | Line 160, then line... |
| 19:56.28 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 19:56.30 | Antiarc | 190 |
| 19:56.32 | jnwhiteh | that's not the minimap =) |
| 19:56.35 | jnwhiteh | forgive my terrible naming |
| 19:56.39 | asmodai | Xtek: all my windows are like that, so could be nvidia's setting |
| 19:56.41 | jnwhiteh | that's the icon frame |
| 19:56.47 | Antiarc | Doh, I see now |
| 19:57.16 | jnwhiteh | point is the table, minimap is the button, minimap.icon is the actual icon, minimap.arrow is the arrow texture |
| 19:57.25 | Antiarc | local map = Minimap, astrolabe lime 498 |
| 19:57.27 | Antiarc | That'd be it :) |
| 19:57.42 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 19:57.43 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 19:57.47 | Adamar-Curse | Hey everyone. We're getting close to wrapping up features for Curse Client v4. Are there any feature you feel are missing, and should be added before it is released? |
| 19:57.49 | jnwhiteh | if its not reparenting it shoudln't be an issue |
| 19:57.50 | jnwhiteh | is it? |
| 19:58.05 | Antiarc | Hrm, you're right. |
| 19:58.15 | asmodai | Adamar-Curse / Xtek : When uninstalling an addon, you pop up this windows about the associated SVs |
| 19:58.23 | Adamar-Curse | Yep |
| 19:58.30 | asmodai | Adamar-Curse / Xtek: what does it do when you click the close button? |
| 19:58.35 | Repo | 10baggins_anywhere-bags: 03Mecdemort * r73 Core.lua: Track pets and mounts |
| 19:58.36 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: change the ReparentMinimap function to print out and make sure its actually changing things |
| 19:58.38 | jnwhiteh | tho i'm sure it is. |
| 19:58.39 | Adamar-Curse | Close? It does nothing. |
| 19:58.47 | Antiarc | I did already, it is |
| 19:58.50 | Adamar-Curse | It justcloses the window. |
| 19:58.54 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 19:59.02 | Adamar-Curse | Same as hitting the Esc key |
| 19:59.03 | asmodai | Adamar-Curse: ok, but the addon is still uninstalled at least. |
| 19:59.10 | Adamar-Curse | No |
| 19:59.17 | Antiarc | ideally, the tomtom points would show on the hudmap overlay, though that looks like it might require messing with astrolabe |
| 19:59.19 | Mec | Was cleaning saved variables ever added back? |
| 19:59.21 | Adamar-Curse | To uninstall the addon, you have to click Yes |
| 19:59.26 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: yeah |
| 19:59.28 | asmodai | retries |
| 19:59.28 | jnwhiteh | fucking astrolabe |
| 19:59.32 | jnwhiteh | i need time to rewrite it =/ |
| 19:59.32 | asmodai | I swear it uninstalled it :) |
| 19:59.35 | Adamar-Curse | Nope |
| 19:59.54 | Antiarc | Astrolabe's parent is Minimap, as well |
| 20:00.00 | Antiarc | So its onupdate would stop while the minimap is hidden. |
| 20:00.00 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 20:00.01 | jnwhiteh | well. |
| 20:00.02 | Adamar-Curse | Mec: SVs are now automatically cleaned up when you uninstall an addon. An SV cleaner like in v3 is still in dev. |
| 20:00.02 | jnwhiteh | fuck me. |
| 20:00.14 | jnwhiteh | then i guess it stays broken until i can fix it |
| 20:00.18 | jnwhiteh | i can always alter astrolabe locally |
| 20:00.26 | jnwhiteh | but i'd rather write the lib i really want. |
| 20:00.30 | Antiarc | Anon frame, too :) |
| 20:00.35 | jnwhiteh | oh fuck me. |
| 20:00.42 | asmodai | Adamar-Curse: Well, just retried it, installed an addon, then selected uninstall, the window pops up asking about removing the SVs, I click the close button of the popup window, addon gets uninstalled. |
| 20:00.53 | asmodai | At least, the entry is gone from my list within curse. |
| 20:01.04 | Antiarc | Oh, there's a reference to it |
| 20:01.07 | Antiarc | I'll see if I can hack around it |
| 20:01.07 | Mec | If multiple games need to update the same addon, you might make it only use 1 download. That could save a lot of bandwidth |
| 20:01.15 | Adamar-Curse | admodai: What close button exactly? The window's X ? |
| 20:01.21 | Adamar-Curse | asmodai* |
| 20:01.24 | asmodai | Adamar-Curse: the SV removal popup window |
| 20:01.37 | Adamar-Curse | asmodai: There is no button labeled "Close" |
| 20:01.38 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: if you do rewrite astrolabe, add in support for dungeons that provide coords. would be nice to have waypoints in dungeons, as I always get lost ;) |
| 20:01.40 | asmodai | And yes, that X button |
| 20:01.45 | asmodai | the window's close button |
| 20:01.48 | Adamar-Curse | asmodai: Ok. That is weird... |
| 20:01.49 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: yes it would suppor tthat |
| 20:01.55 | jnwhiteh | but what i want to do is not a replacement for astrolabe |
| 20:01.59 | jnwhiteh | i'll just be able to use it as such |
| 20:02.03 | Antiarc | There, that fixed it |
| 20:02.05 | jnwhiteh | I have very particular needs and desires :P |
| 20:02.06 | asmodai | Adamar-Curse: Just double checked, the addon got uninstalled. |
| 20:02.19 | Adamar-Curse | asmodai: Odd, it seems to happen randomly... very strange. |
| 20:02.24 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: I don't want to know more :) |
| 20:02.29 | Adamar-Curse | asmodai: That is a definite bug. I will work on it now. |
| 20:02.37 | asmodai | Adamar-Curse: It's a minor thing, but I am sure at some point someone will click the window away. |
| 20:02.43 | asmodai | I guess with the intent to cancel or so |
| 20:03.20 | Adamar-Curse | asmodai: Yeah, for sure. |
| 20:04.10 | Repo | 10sexymap: 03Antiarc 07master * ca884da HudMap.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 20:04.13 | Repo | ca884da: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.wowace.com:wow/sexymap/mainline |
| 20:04.16 | Repo | 499fb5b: Add support for TomTom's Reparent to fix issue with crazy arrow |
| 20:04.28 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: that could potentially break lots of things :P |
| 20:04.34 | asmodai | Adamar-Curse / Xtek : Aside from that, the only thing that's confusing me is the addonsync window. I think people would look for a button that would be more like 'upload current profile'. I just pressed sync and it put some addons back that I uninstalled in the mean time -- so I'm still confused myself as well. :) |
| 20:04.34 | jnwhiteh | just not likely in TomTom |
| 20:04.41 | Repo | 10baggins_anywhere-bags: 03Mecdemort 041.0.73 * r74 : Tagging as 1.0.73 |
| 20:04.56 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: It's just an event processing frame - keeping it active would break stuff? |
| 20:05.12 | jnwhiteh | i dont know how other addons use astrolabe |
| 20:05.13 | asmodai | Adamar-Curse / Xtek: The rest of the app works great, seems the heavy processing when restoring the minimized window is also much less problematic nowadays. |
| 20:05.15 | jnwhiteh | and we share it |
| 20:05.55 | Antiarc | Well, I guess we'll see if it starts breaking massively. Glancing over Astrolabe it looks like it shouldn't break anything horribly, but you're the expert. :) |
| 20:06.05 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
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| 20:13.19 | Thrae | http://thedailywtf.com/ <-- read one and don't plan on getting much sleep if you've never visited before. |
| 20:13.29 | aestil | someone said that each wing of IC will be seperate raid lockouts |
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| 20:16.07 | nevcairiel | Thrae: you're so mean, i need my sleep :( |
| 20:17.52 | asmodai | Antiarc: oh but hey, since I use coolline at the moment, let me know when you push your alpha version of sexycooldown |
| 20:18.15 | Antiarc | Sure will, I should have an alpha ready in a little bit |
| 20:18.26 | Antiarc | The options are a mess right now, heh |
| 20:19.07 | asmodai | That's ok |
| 20:19.09 | asmodai | oh hey |
| 20:19.19 | asmodai | Antiarc: Can the achievement frame be decoupled from sexymap? |
| 20:19.37 | Antiarc | The tracker? |
| 20:19.40 | asmodai | Aye |
| 20:19.47 | asmodai | The achievement tracker |
| 20:19.49 | Antiarc | Probably. I don't use it, so I haven't really looked, heh |
| 20:19.55 | asmodai | The thing is |
| 20:20.08 | asmodai | If you put sexymap, say, at the bottom right of your screen |
| 20:20.21 | asmodai | and you want to track achievements, it will complain about available space |
| 20:20.30 | asmodai | since it's hardcoded hooked underneath the minimap |
| 20:20.42 | asmodai | It also doesn't show under 'movers' either. :( |
| 20:22.56 | pentium166 | That happens to me with the quest tracker too |
| 20:23.52 | Repo | 10sexycooldown: 03Antiarc 07master * a1f8198 / (8 files in 2 directories): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit |
| 20:24.02 | Antiarc | There you go jnwhiteh, asmodai |
| 20:24.06 | jnwhiteh | ty =) |
| 20:24.09 | asmodai | pentium166: Ah ok, well, in my quest I have that movable due to questhelper |
| 20:24.11 | Antiarc | Very alpha :P |
| 20:24.28 | jnwhiteh | can i jus tpull and get all the libs and shit i need? |
| 20:24.28 | sztanpet | @describe sexycooldown |
| 20:24.31 | Repo | sztanpet: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexycooldown/. SexyCooldown. SexyCooldown is a multi-bar logarithmic cooldown tracker |
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| 20:24.50 | Antiarc | It's git, didn't set up submodules, but it has a .pkgmeta |
| 20:25.04 | jnwhiteh | thats what I mean, so I need to use cc |
| 20:25.04 | Antiarc | I'll just zip it for you if you're feeling lazy :P |
| 20:25.05 | jnwhiteh | ? |
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| 20:25.10 | jnwhiteh | or tag it :P |
| 20:25.17 | asmodai | yes, tag is always nice |
| 20:25.23 | jnwhiteh | its not lazy |
| 20:25.27 | asmodai | get it through alpha with curse client :P |
| 20:25.28 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/SexyCooldown.zip |
| 20:25.30 | Antiarc | Lazy :P |
| 20:25.31 | jnwhiteh | doing pkgmeta manually is a nightmare. |
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| 20:25.50 | Mikk | i just copy something manually & modify |
| 20:25.57 | jnwhiteh | grr |
| 20:25.58 | Antiarc | I just modify existing pkgmetas, yeah |
| 20:27.28 | Repo | 10sexycooldown: 03Antiarc 04v0.1 * b1ee6e2 /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.1 |
| 20:27.32 | Antiarc | \o/ |
| 20:27.45 | Ingela | !describe sexycooldown |
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| 20:27.53 | Ingela | what's the command |
| 20:27.59 | asmodai | @describe |
| 20:28.05 | Ingela | @describe sexycooldown |
| 20:28.11 | asmodai | Antiarc: strings.rb? ;) |
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| 20:28.20 | Antiarc | That's my localization helper |
| 20:28.33 | Repo | asmodai: (describe <project> or <game>/<project>) -- Returns details about the project |
| 20:28.33 | Ingela | Repo, wake up! |
| 20:28.35 | Repo | Ingela: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexycooldown/. SexyCooldown. SexyCooldown is a multi-bar logarithmic cooldown tracker |
| 20:28.40 | Antiarc | ruby strings.rb . > localization\enUS.rb |
| 20:28.49 | Antiarc | Sucks out all my localized strings and builds a base locale for me |
| 20:29.00 | jnwhiteh | thats what all the cool kids do |
| 20:29.05 | asmodai | Antiarc: nice |
| 20:30.08 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2553 / (10 files in 2 directories): |
| 20:30.11 | Repo | Remove all the class flags from recipes that have ",21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30," |
| 20:30.14 | Repo | Comment out the class detection code in the dataminer. |
| 20:30.39 | Shadowed | Antiarc: what are you up o this time |
| 20:30.43 | Shadowed | Are you doing an EventHorizon |
| 20:30.45 | Antiarc | Replacing CoolLine |
| 20:30.47 | Aeyan | Antiarc: Your stab at a better CoolLine/Forte/etc? |
| 20:30.51 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 20:30.59 | Aeyan | Nifty. |
| 20:31.10 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r6509 / (2 files in 2 directories): frFR Update |
| 20:31.17 | Shadowed | fun |
| 20:31.24 | jnwhiteh | ZOMG APPROVE THE PROJECT NUBS |
| 20:31.38 | Antiarc | I got into it and decided to just template the bars |
| 20:31.43 | Antiarc | So really, it could be used as a timer mod for anything |
| 20:31.51 | Antiarc | I'm going to do a little module that basically serves to replace Capping |
| 20:31.52 | jnwhiteh | are protected frames secure? |
| 20:31.58 | Antiarc | So I'll get BG timers on a separate bar |
| 20:32.00 | nevcairiel | the description is on his todo, how would i know its not something evil :P |
| 20:32.03 | jnwhiteh | as in issecurevariable() |
| 20:32.51 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: I'm in ur wowace, writin bad mods, hijackin ur goldz |
| 20:33.25 | Shadowed | reject it and ban him |
| 20:33.29 | Shadowed | sounds suspicious |
| 20:33.57 | nevcairiel | addon-created frames? i would guess no, since you taint them with your insecure code, thats why they have :IsProtected .. but not sure. |
| 20:34.20 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: what do you mean "since you taint with yoru insecure code"? |
| 20:34.38 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: well if your addon creates the frame, its tainted because your addon is insecure :P |
| 20:34.45 | jnwhiteh | unless it gets scrubbed |
| 20:34.57 | jnwhiteh | but ys, i think you're right |
| 20:34.58 | nevcairiel | should be easy to test, gimme a sec |
| 20:35.09 | jnwhiteh | just wondering about the implementation of the taint system |
| 20:35.19 | jnwhiteh | since the handlers look at self, to use GetAttribute() |
| 20:35.24 | jnwhiteh | either the frame is scrubbed |
| 20:35.34 | jnwhiteh | or there's exotic code to prevent that from spreading taint |
| 20:35.54 | nevcairiel | isnt that where attributes come in? just to prevent the taint from spreading? |
| 20:36.21 | jnwhiteh | yes, but doesn't the code accessing a tainted variable (in this case the frame) spread the taint? |
| 20:36.44 | nevcairiel | I guess it should |
| 20:36.55 | nevcairiel | lets see what wow says about this |
| 20:37.21 | nevcairiel | nop, tainted |
| 20:37.33 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 20:37.35 | jnwhiteh | interesting. |
| 20:37.50 | jnwhiteh | so now i have to figure out what causes the taint to spread, specifically |
| 20:37.53 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexycooldown/. SexyCooldown. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Approved by ckknight. |
| 20:38.06 | Xtek | ^ |
| 20:38.11 | Ingela | wtb pics Antiarc |
| 20:38.19 | Antiarc | http://i35.tinypic.com/1zbcsg5.png |
| 20:38.28 | Ingela | wts pics of sexycooldown |
| 20:38.41 | Ingela | now that's sexy |
| 20:38.53 | Shadowed | Antiarc: It needs a giant glowing border like SexyMap did to identify it |
| 20:38.56 | Shadowed | and show who fails at defaults |
| 20:39.12 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: i only tried the global table, maybe the "self" table in event handlers isnt tainted anymore.. |
| 20:39.16 | Antiarc | http://i34.tinypic.com/slths6.png |
| 20:39.16 | nevcairiel | let me try that |
| 20:39.23 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: hrm |
| 20:39.27 | Shadowed | Antiarc: what's that blank icon behind AR |
| 20:39.39 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: would be some weird hack, though |
| 20:39.39 | Antiarc | Grim Toll, it's not working with LibICD yet |
| 20:39.48 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 20:39.59 | Shadowed | looks fancy |
| 20:40.07 | Repo | 10tomquest2: 03gagou * r242 core.lua: add debug output in case objective type unknown |
| 20:40.17 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: bah, can't print issecurevariable for local vars |
| 20:40.25 | nevcairiel | so much for that |
| 20:40.28 | Repo | 10tomquest2: 03gagou 043.2 beta 25 * r243 : tag as beta 25 |
| 20:40.51 | jnwhiteh | thanks, i'll dig a bit more |
| 20:41.04 | Antiarc | Anyhow, it has a ways to go yet, but I like how it's coming along |
| 20:41.05 | Shadowed | plotting something clad? |
| 20:41.12 | Shadowed | Antiarc: no evil configuration |
| 20:41.13 | Shadowed | kthks |
| 20:41.17 | Ingela | Antiarc, wtb rapture for it |
| 20:41.24 | Antiarc | All my configurations are evil |
| 20:41.40 | Shadowed | if it's an open repo I can look at it and make fun of you if you want :> |
| 20:41.43 | Shadowed | when you something more done |
| 20:41.51 | Antiarc | It's hideous right now |
| 20:41.54 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: does a tainted table always really mean that its functiosn adn vars are all tainted? Maybe you can access vars/functions without causing further taint.. |
| 20:41.58 | Antiarc | I to make it at least organized |
| 20:42.00 | Shadowed | yea when the configuration is a little more stable |
| 20:42.08 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: otoh, the self: syntax passes the table itself to the function.. |
| 20:42.28 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: no, but examining a tainted value taints the executino path |
| 20:42.32 | jnwhiteh | i think its a special case. |
| 20:42.56 | nevcairiel | not only for :GetAttribute, though. |
| 20:43.20 | nevcairiel | I can create a custom frame which inherits an OnLoad from a template |
| 20:43.34 | nevcairiel | that OnLoad can then set keys in the frame-table |
| 20:43.38 | nevcairiel | and those are properly secure |
| 20:43.41 | nevcairiel | even when accessed |
| 20:43.57 | nevcairiel | the actionbuttontemplates use that. |
| 20:44.12 | nevcairiel | They define a button.action for example, which needs to be secure |
| 20:44.24 | nevcairiel | and they can access it in the secure functions without dying |
| 20:45.32 | nevcairiel | anyway, good luck with the talk, if you need it ;) |
| 20:45.35 | nevcairiel | goes to sleep |
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| 20:47.24 | Gnarfoz | actually, I find these Forte/CoolLine/SexyCooldown thingies to be unreadable and useless :< |
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| 20:49.33 | Antiarc | I love the info display style |
| 20:49.47 | Stanzilla | I only like the forte spelltimer |
| 20:59.36 | Ingela | Antiarc, i loved it, brilliant addon |
| 21:00.35 | Ingela | http://pici.se/pictures/wetxTSqhB.jpg |
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| 21:16.54 | Pneumatus | anyone know if there's a loggerhead patch for onyxia that actually works floating about? |
| 21:21.00 | Repo | 10fubar_repafu: 03ansiik * r35 Locales/RepaFuLocale-frFR.lua: frFR update |
| 21:29.49 | Pneumatus | i'm assuming the issue is that the outside zone has the same name as the inside zone |
| 21:31.42 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic 07BW3 * r632 Icecrown/Grand_Champions.lua: Tweak to Rogue Poison Bottle |
| 21:31.56 | Adamar-Curse | asmodai: I have fixed the uninstall window bug, and pushed out a new version (4.0.0.799) |
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| 21:32.58 | Pneumatus | Adamar-Curse: why can't i set auto-install for just 1 addon without having to globally set it, then disable it for each addon apart from the one i want autoupdate? |
| 21:35.40 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: In our design meeting today, we thought it would be best if it worked like that. Do you disagree? |
| 21:36.00 | Pneumatus | Adamar-Curse: i personally will only use auto-update on a very select handful of addons |
| 21:36.11 | Pneumatus | i don't want to have to remember to switch off auto-update on every new addon i install |
| 21:36.31 | Torhal | Adamar-Curse: Have a toggle for the behavior type, |
| 21:36.45 | Torhal | If feasible, of course. |
| 21:36.49 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: Right. I can make it work just like Release Preference and Library Preference. |
| 21:37.11 | Adamar-Curse | Torhal: I don't want to complicate v4 too much. Having options for options is not a good idea, imho :) |
| 21:37.23 | Torhal | Heh, slippery slopes. |
| 21:37.35 | Pneumatus | that would be better imo, so by default it's either on/off per-addon, and then you can toggle each one independantly |
| 21:38.05 | Adamar-Curse | Right |
| 21:38.49 | Adamar-Curse | You can blame ckknight for the current design. On design issues, I usually confer with Kaelten and ckknight. |
| 21:40.08 | Pneumatus | well, at present you can easily have all addons on, all addons off, or most addons on and some off, but not most off but some on |
| 21:40.14 | asmodai | Adamar-Curse: cool! |
| 21:40.31 | Pneumatus | changing it to a default like lib preference would allow for the 4th combination, and allow control over new addons |
| 21:40.39 | Pneumatus | release pref, even |
| 21:41.34 | Adamar-Curse | Yeah. The only issue I see is if someone want to disable it globally, they cannot without using Reset All. |
| 21:41.34 | Adamar-Curse | wants* |
| 21:41.54 | Adamar-Curse | I could add a prompt that fires when the option is unchecked |
| 21:41.56 | Pneumatus | yeh |
| 21:42.04 | Adamar-Curse | That might be best. |
| 21:42.11 | Pneumatus | if it switches from enabled to disabled popup a box and ask if you want to reset |
| 21:42.15 | Adamar-Curse | Yeah |
| 21:42.23 | Adamar-Curse | I'll see if I can get that patched in before I leave today. |
| 21:42.27 | Pneumatus | Adamar-Curse: are we going to get a saved vars cleaner, or are we assuming that users only ever use the curse client and the tickbox to delete sv through uninstall is sufficient? |
| 21:42.40 | Adamar-Curse | I will be adding a SV cleaner tool at some point. |
| 21:42.45 | Pneumatus | rgr |
| 21:42.48 | Adamar-Curse | It just hasn't beeen a huge priority. |
| 21:42.51 | Pneumatus | and unknown addons view? |
| 21:42.55 | Adamar-Curse | Same with an "Unidified Addons" manager. |
| 21:42.59 | Adamar-Curse | Unidentified* |
| 21:43.10 | orionshock | ping Mikk, hehe.. known glitch with the way trade links upgrade... sadly i can't really fix it with out alot more code in the DBO |
| 21:43.37 | orionshock | Mikk: tho it should auto purge those players when the links don't decode properly. |
| 21:44.02 | Pneumatus | Adamar-Curse: replacing the "Release", "Beta" and "Alpha" texts with a nice icon would be pro to save space as well :) |
| 21:44.07 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03Whitetooth * r263 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 21:44.10 | Repo | - Two extra default gem sets which you can toggle with a modifier key |
| 21:44.17 | Pneumatus | (for the listview) |
| 21:44.24 | Xtek | R, A, B.... done. |
| 21:44.27 | Xtek | lol |
| 21:45.01 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: While that would save space, an iconic representation of Alpha, Beta and Release would be less clear to casual v4 users. |
| 21:45.04 | Pneumatus | Adamar-Curse: i'd even go so far to say, it would be useful to drop the installed type and latest type columns and shove an icon before the version numbers in their columns |
| 21:45.23 | Pneumatus | Adamar-Curse: mouseover tooltip or something? |
| 21:45.39 | Pneumatus | the average user isnt going to display install/latest types anyway |
| 21:45.51 | Pneumatus | as they are gonna have release set, and probably never touch it and be none the wiser |
| 21:47.04 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: I'll consider it. I have a lot to do though, and non-functional enhancements like that one are very low priority. |
| 21:47.14 | Pneumatus | sure |
| 21:47.26 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: Btw, you need to update you Windows 7. Build 7100 has issues :) |
| 21:47.29 | Adamar-Curse | your* |
| 21:47.39 | Pneumatus | i don't have win7 :o |
| 21:47.58 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: Hmm |
| 21:48.26 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatis: My bad. |
| 21:48.35 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatis: It was 'personanongratis' that files the ticket. |
| 21:49.20 | Ingela | fuck |
| 21:49.23 | Ingela | i have build 7100! |
| 21:49.27 | Pneumatus | not guilty :) |
| 21:49.27 | asmodai | eloquently spoken |
| 21:49.28 | Torhal | Meh. |
| 21:49.36 | Torhal | So, I sold Recipe: Gingerbreak Cookie for 60g |
| 21:49.40 | Torhal | It's stuck in my mailbox. |
| 21:49.46 | Torhal | Pure win. |
| 21:50.06 | Ingela | Adamar-Curse, i have build 7100, is that why old curse client doesn't let me install addons? i have to use the new client for that |
| 21:50.14 | Ingela | update is fine, but installing is nono |
| 21:52.09 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: I am not sure. Version 3.0 is pretty buggy. |
| 21:52.36 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: Despite the fact we spent 1 year of development on it. |
| 21:53.34 | Ingela | i don't like the design of ver 4, that's why i stick around with ver 3 :( |
| 21:53.58 | Mikk | yeah well how often do you look at it :OP |
| 21:54.00 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: Why not? |
| 21:54.13 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: You do know you can change the theme, right? |
| 21:54.16 | asmodai | Personally I think 4 > 3 :) |
| 21:54.25 | asmodai | Mathematically too! :P |
| 21:54.26 | Ingela | yeh i chagned theme, but i don't like how it lists stuff |
| 21:54.34 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: How can we improve it? |
| 21:54.36 | Pneumatus | you know you can change the listview, right? |
| 21:54.44 | Ingela | that i didn't know Pneumatus |
| 21:54.58 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: You can customize the columns it displays. Just right click any column header. |
| 21:55.00 | Pneumatus | you can change columns shown/hidden, position etc |
| 21:55.15 | Pneumatus | there are a few fixed-width ones, thats about all you can't change |
| 21:55.24 | Adamar-Curse | Just icon |
| 21:55.29 | Adamar-Curse | Status can be resized now |
| 21:55.33 | Adamar-Curse | Just not smaller than 150 px |
| 21:55.35 | Pneumatus | and Rating |
| 21:55.39 | Adamar-Curse | Ah, yes and rating |
| 21:56.06 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: Do your hard drive a favor and give v4 another shot ;) |
| 21:56.18 | Ingela | i have both installed |
| 21:56.22 | Ingela | :D |
| 21:56.25 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: Lol ok |
| 21:56.34 | Mikk | hm i would if i could remember the URL for v4 |
| 21:56.51 | Adamar-Curse | http://clientupdate.curse.com/Setup.exe |
| 21:57.47 | Mikk | sigh at that additional eula |
| 21:58.03 | Mikk | "IF U BENCH OUR STUFFZ WE BENCH YOURS KK!?!" |
| 21:58.23 | Adamar-Curse | EULA? |
| 21:58.32 | Mikk | i got upgraded to .net 3.5 |
| 21:58.35 | Adamar-Curse | Oh |
| 21:58.37 | Mikk | which had an additional eula |
| 21:58.45 | Mikk | which basically said what i said |
| 21:58.50 | Adamar-Curse | Gotcha |
| 21:58.55 | Ingela | Adamar-Curse, can i get it to be one line only, aka disabling the release under the name? |
| 21:58.56 | Adamar-Curse | Microsoft .Net installers are awful. |
| 21:59.14 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: I am working on an option that will do that. |
| 21:59.20 | Ingela | perfect! |
| 21:59.22 | harl | how do i enable pitbull4 to display my arena team? (absolute arena noob speaking) |
| 21:59.31 | Pneumatus | Adamar-Curse: should repair file associations make download links from curse.com work? |
| 21:59.37 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: The only issue I have, atm, is that when you are installing it grows to two lines. |
| 21:59.42 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: Yes |
| 22:01.09 | Antiarc | The WoW animation system doesn't do anything except linear animation, does it? |
| 22:02.13 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatis: The changes to the auto-install feature are done. Just testing them now, before I push out an update. |
| 22:02.19 | Ingela | Adamar-Curse, what would be perfect is a version 3.0 theme :D |
| 22:02.21 | Pneumatus | Adamar-Curse: i've lost the setting to disable install from web links for certain WoW installs, does such a thing exist? |
| 22:02.21 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus rather |
| 22:02.48 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: No, not yet. I'll be adding that soon though. In fact, you could help me by filing a ticket for that. |
| 22:02.52 | Pneumatus | rgr |
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| 22:04.24 | b-buck | Is it not possible to put your addon on wowace.com and curse.com at the same time? |
| 22:04.46 | Adamar-Curse | Addons on wowace are syndicated to curse.com |
| 22:04.49 | b-buck | when I try to add it on wowace it says there is already a addon by that name but I dont see it on wow ace at all |
| 22:05.02 | profalbert | because it's on curse |
| 22:05.10 | Adamar-Curse | b-buck: What addon? |
| 22:05.26 | b-buck | so the only way to find it on wowace is to select the 'other site option' |
| 22:05.32 | b-buck | its called mage nuggets |
| 22:05.32 | Mec | anyone remember how to load an already defined AceLocale-2.2 table |
| 22:05.53 | Pneumatus | Adamar-Curse: want me to write a ticket about downloading the same addon multiple times when installing from a link as well, rather than just unzipping the one copy to each folder? :P |
| 22:06.11 | Adamar-Curse | b-buck: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/mage-nuggets/ |
| 22:06.27 | b-buck | yeah I know, i use that link everyday ;) |
| 22:06.29 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: There is already a ticket for that. It's a complex issue to resolve. |
| 22:06.36 | b-buck | but i was just wondering if people went to wowace.com could they find my addon easily |
| 22:06.38 | Adamar-Curse | b-buck: Ah, ok |
| 22:07.29 | Ingela | don't think you saw it Adamar-Curse, but i'd like a version 3 theme! |
| 22:07.47 | Pneumatus | :o cc4 is running in 64-bit mode |
| 22:07.51 | ckknight | waves at the nice people |
| 22:07.52 | Pneumatus | hadn't noticed that before |
| 22:08.12 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: I'll see what I can do :) |
| 22:08.15 | ckknight | b-buck: hey guy, you can't be on both curseforge and wowace at the same time. You can apply to move your addon, though. |
| 22:08.16 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: Of course! |
| 22:08.16 | Ingela | :D |
| 22:08.28 | b-buck | kk thanks |
| 22:08.50 | ckknight | b-buck: curseforge and wowace are two shards of the same software |
| 22:09.00 | ckknight | different policies, moderators, themes, etc. |
| 22:09.38 | b-buck | I see, was just wondering cause my friend said he couldnt find it on wowace, so i just told him to go to curse |
| 22:09.49 | Mikk | that's the right answer |
| 22:09.49 | b-buck | guess he didnt see the search options |
| 22:09.50 | Pneumatus | users should be looking on curse anyway |
| 22:10.12 | b-buck | word |
| 22:11.17 | Ingela | Adamar-Curse, i'm sure you thought of this and discussed it but i'd mention it anyways, some way to backup your WTF in a nice way, and maybe an import function to.. would save alot of trouble when you get a new combuter or reinstall it :) |
| 22:11.32 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: We've already added that. |
| 22:11.37 | Ingela | what! |
| 22:11.39 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: Just click the Sync button |
| 22:11.55 | Adamar-Curse | Ingela: You can even have it Auto-Backup your addon settings. |
| 22:12.06 | b-buck | does it do it remotely? |
| 22:12.08 | Ingela | O.O i never saw that option |
| 22:12.18 | b-buck | as in if i went to another pc |
| 22:12.19 | Adamar-Curse | b-buck: Yes |
| 22:12.29 | b-buck | awesome |
| 22:12.43 | Adamar-Curse | It was the most requested feature in our 3.0 surveys. |
| 22:12.51 | Adamar-Curse | Addon sync / settings backup. |
| 22:12.53 | Ingela | yes that's VERY awesome, why didn't i see this before, would have saved me some trouble |
| 22:14.13 | Ingela | Adamar-Curse, i synced eveyrthing now and made syncprofile and that, if i would go to wow and delete interface+wtf, would it be possible to just get it back with all my settings and that? |
| 22:14.16 | Ingela | if so, that's awesome |
| 22:14.17 | Pneumatus | Adamar-Curse: did any caps get put on sizes of files etc, or did you get it to do something smart like only sync diffs each time? |
| 22:14.49 | Pneumatus | my WTF folder is 181Mb |
| 22:15.04 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: There is a size cap, and it will only upload your SVs if they have actually changed. |
| 22:15.40 | Pneumatus | oh, it hashes them or something? |
| 22:15.52 | Pneumatus | seeing as they technically change every WoW load ;) |
| 22:16.19 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: Yes it hashes them. |
| 22:16.59 | Mikk | amagaaaaad settings backup |
| 22:17.00 | Mikk | drools |
| 22:17.01 | Pneumatus | i guess you probably ignore .bak as well |
| 22:17.04 | Mikk | clicks backup |
| 22:17.29 | Pneumatus | seeing as the .bak files are 100% useless |
| 22:17.34 | Pneumatus | god knows why WoW even makes them |
| 22:17.40 | Mikk | i would assume they only back up KnownAddon.lua |
| 22:17.56 | Mikk | then again assume makes an ass out of u and me |
| 22:17.58 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 22:18.25 | Pneumatus | bleh, my headcount SV is now the biggest out of all my SVs |
| 22:18.42 | Mikk | right, cc4 just earned autostart rights for settings backup functionality :P |
| 22:18.52 | Mikk | Am I right in thinking that this is a premium-only thing? |
| 22:19.22 | Pneumatus | i wonder if it's safe to delete the classes table in my Prat SV |
| 22:20.21 | ckknight | Mikk: correct |
| 22:20.46 | Mikk | Smrt. |
| 22:21.33 | ckknight | there's a lot to back up, and technically your settings are stored in a cloud fashion, not on your local machine or anything |
| 22:22.06 | Mikk | I know there's a lot to back up. |
| 22:22.12 | Adamar-Curse | Mikk, Yes |
| 22:22.16 | Mikk | That's why I was thinking it'd have to be paid. |
| 22:23.39 | Mikk | Now why does CC4 also think that these 3 addons should be updated when they in fact have .svn folders in them .... |
| 22:23.42 | Mikk | CC3 did |
| 22:23.45 | Mikk | And now CC4 also |
| 22:25.07 | Pneumatus | my dev copies are detected fine in CC4 :< |
| 22:26.16 | Adamar-Curse | Mikk: If they have a SVN folder, they should have the Working Copy status. |
| 22:26.25 | Adamar-Curse | Mikk: Do they not? |
| 22:26.27 | Mikk | Nope. |
| 22:26.32 | Mikk | My other svn checkouts do |
| 22:26.35 | Mikk | These three do not |
| 22:26.56 | Pneumatus | addons that aren't on curse? |
| 22:26.56 | Adamar-Curse | Mikk: That seems very odd. Any chance you can zip them up for me? |
| 22:27.06 | Mikk | Certainly. Do you want some kind of database file also? |
| 22:27.38 | Mikk | (It's LibStub, LibAbacus3, LibGratuity3, so, yeah, they're on curse) |
| 22:27.45 | Adamar-Curse | Nope, the addons themselves should do :) |
| 22:28.28 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: I decided to prompt the user when they either Check or Uncheck "Auto Install Updates" |
| 22:28.41 | Adamar-Curse | Pneumatus: It's a lot more intuitive now, imho. |
| 22:29.00 | Pneumatus | sounds logical |
| 22:29.39 | Pneumatus | 3.3 isn't getting a new battleground is it? |
| 22:30.02 | Groktar | less time on bgs so we don't have fights liek faction champions plx |
| 22:31.17 | Primer | Destro lock, glyph of incinerate or life tap? |
| 22:31.51 | NeoTron | both? |
| 22:32.11 | Primer | but then I'd have to give up immolate or conflag |
| 22:32.24 | NeoTron | good! |
| 22:32.42 | NeoTron | seriously though, don't know. haven't played warlock all that much in wotlk and never looked at destroy |
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| 22:38.46 | Primer | I couldn't hang in #elitistjerks on gamesurge |
| 22:38.54 | Primer | they're...elitist jerks |
| 22:39.04 | Primer | ask one question, and you're labeled a noob |
| 22:42.05 | dieck | Primer: get a statistics postdoc to join you, prepare a dialogue and have THEM feel n00b :) |
| 22:43.49 | Primer | unlikely |
| 22:44.23 | Primer | as there seems to be a core group of troll that will resist any form of logic |
| 22:44.28 | Primer | trolls |
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| 23:07.27 | Torhal | ckknight: WTH? I just saw a sad "folder" and "Aw, snap!" for a moment before the WoWAce page came up. |
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| 23:10.32 | Torhal | Oh, nevermind. Apparently it's Chrome. |
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| 23:23.09 | Mikk | Primer: both |
| 23:23.33 | Primer | and drop...immolate? |
| 23:23.47 | Mikk | yes |
| 23:24.34 | Mikk | glyph of litefap is fairly imba now |
| 23:24.41 | Mikk | oh my god look at that typo |
| 23:24.44 | Mikk | how fitting :P |
| 23:24.53 | Primer | pardon my ignorance...imba? |
| 23:24.57 | Mikk | imbalanced = good |
| 23:24.58 | Primer | second time I've seen that |
| 23:25.14 | Mikk | yoink, how the heck have you managed to not see it more? =) |
| 23:25.36 | Primer | not frequenting this channel enough, I guess |
| 23:25.41 | NeoTron | Mikk: Primer isn't very imba |
| 23:25.45 | Primer | and wouldn't that be "unbalanced"? |
| 23:27.14 | Mikk | not so much that you haven't seen it in this channel |
| 23:27.18 | Mikk | more that you haven't seen it in-game |
| 23:27.39 | NivFreak | or be.imba.hu |
| 23:27.40 | NivFreak | :P |
| 23:27.45 | Mikk | Main Entry: im·bal·ance |
| 23:27.49 | Mikk | : lack of balance : the state of being out of equilibrium or out of proportion <a vitamin imbalance> <racial imbalance in schools> |
| 23:28.21 | Mikk | Main Entry: un·bal·anced |
| 23:28.24 | Mikk | : not balanced: as a : not in equilibrium b : mentally disordered or deranged c : not adjusted so as to make credits equal to debits <an unbalanced account> |
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| 23:34.50 | Ingela^ | i selected "usable by a priest" on wowhead |
| 23:34.55 | Ingela^ | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47239 this item came up |
| 23:35.00 | Ingela^ | since when can priests use polearms?!?! |
| 23:37.18 | Mec | is there a way to call a commit beta without tagging it? or tag beta without it being pushed to curse |
| 23:39.42 | Superfly_ | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2&filter=ty=6;ub=5 |
| 23:39.48 | Superfly_ | doesnt seem to be in the list |
| 23:40.58 | Mikk | Mec: set the project to not push betas to curse |
| 23:41.28 | Mec | well that seems rather obvious |
| 23:43.24 | Mikk | failing to see the point though |
| 23:43.40 | Mikk | you won't get more downloads via wowace.com if it's called beta or alpha, really |
| 23:44.39 | Mikk | and if people download beta from curse well... then they're hopefully prepared for the consequences? =P |
| 23:45.13 | Primer | woa |
| 23:45.21 | Primer | I like be.imba.hu! |
| 23:45.35 | Primer | Accepted enchants: 1 |
| 23:45.35 | Mikk | Primer: then download "Rawr!" |
| 23:45.36 | Primer | Thassarian's Pauldrons of Triumph: Greater Inscription of the Gladiator ... |
| 23:45.37 | Primer | haha |
| 23:45.51 | Mikk | you might like that even more |
| 23:46.32 | Primer | guessing that's a windows exacutable? |
| 23:46.36 | Primer | not an addon? |
| 23:46.38 | Mikk | http://www.codeplex.com/Rawr |
| 23:46.42 | Primer | I think I recall seeing that |
| 23:47.28 | Mikk | It's not woohoo accurate for all spec variations of warlocks yet |
| 23:47.40 | Mikk | But if you're not 100% in on the theorycrafting yourself |
| 23:47.45 | Mikk | It'll sure make you pick better gear |
| 23:47.47 | Primer | I'm not |
| 23:47.54 | Mikk | Or combine the pieces you have yourself in a better way |
| 23:48.33 | Mikk | There's one gotcha: make sure you've gone into the Buffs tab and selected what you expect to have in a raid :P |
| 23:48.47 | Mikk | Like... +3% hit chance debuff on target |
| 23:49.06 | Mikk | And maybe +1% hit from draeneis if you hang around those :P |
| 23:49.07 | Balreign | ARGL... I hate myself... I'm modifying a file to try ta solve an issue... it's been one hour I'm modifying the good file... but in the wrong directory... |
| 23:49.25 | Mikk | Balreign: been there done that, you're in good company |
| 23:49.30 | Primer | indeed |
| 23:49.52 | Mikk | don't think i can top one hour though |
| 23:50.15 | Balreign | all right may be not an our... at least half an ur |
| 23:50.25 | Balreign | hour* |
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| 23:52.35 | Primer | Mikk: there's a web site that does what rawr does too, right? |
| 23:52.58 | Primer | I remember seeing a site where it wanted to input what buffs I expected in a raid, flasks, etc |
| 23:54.15 | Mikk | I seriously seriously doubt that there is a web site that does all of what Rawr does |
| 23:54.36 | Mikk | You might be thinking of mmo-champ's raidcomp site |
| 23:54.51 | Mikk | http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/?c=eu25hg6do04bp00fns0000000000000000000000 |
| 23:55.31 | Codayus | Primer: There's sites like maxdps.com |
| 23:55.31 | NivFreak | maxdps is bad |
| 23:55.31 | NivFreak | stop that |
| 23:55.39 | Codayus | That's...sort of kind a LITTLE bit like rawr, only it's terrible. |
| 23:55.41 | Codayus | Yes. |
| 23:56.09 | Primer | nope. It was a character development site, with an interface that asked character name for armory lookup, then raid buffs, etc |
| 23:56.20 | Primer | was a long time ago. I recall being level 70 |
| 23:56.28 | Superfly_ | warcrafter.net |
| 23:56.33 | Mikk | The only "problem" with Rawr is that it uses mathematical modelling, so if the model forgets to take some interaction into account, it'll be slightly off. |
| 23:56.37 | Superfly_ | or chardev.org |
| 23:57.12 | Codayus | Primer: http://be.imba.hu/ ? |
| 23:57.12 | Superfly_ | but these are not accurate anymore :( |
| 23:57.15 | Mikk | simulationcraft is more likely to produce better stat weights |
| 23:57.26 | Mikk | but stat weights only go so far |
| 23:57.27 | Codayus | That's one of the older ones I recall, so if you were 70... |
| 23:57.46 | Primer | I think it was chardev |
| 23:57.47 | Megalon | hooray 4 simulationcraft |
| 23:57.51 | Primer | that name rings a bell |
| 23:57.53 | Primer | it's down though |
| 23:57.54 | Mikk | Anyway, Rawr rocks. Just check all the gear you have or can get. Hit "Optimize!". Win. |
| 23:58.10 | Mikk | It'll Do The Right Thing with taking set bonuses, hitcaps, etc into account |
| 23:58.15 | Superfly_ | yes seems to be down, used to work tho |
| 23:58.20 | WobWork1 | if you're a hunter, there's a good site that mimics the spreadsheet |
| 23:58.47 | Mikk | It may or may not do the right thing with soft hastecaps though |
| 23:58.54 | Mikk | That's where mathematical modelling becomes iffy |
| 23:59.17 | Superfly_ | Megalon: is it me, or there is no enhancement shaman in simulationcraft yet? |
| 23:59.28 | Mikk | Superfly_: no, that's enhsim |
| 23:59.28 | Megalon | there is |
| 23:59.33 | Mikk | eh? |
| 23:59.35 | Megalon | all classes but dk/pala |
| 23:59.39 | Megalon | are full supported |
| 23:59.48 | Mikk | i know the simcraft gang approached the enhsim guy about writing simcraft support but he declined |
