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| 00:14.38 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.8.3-19-g2d3e8a6 CHANGELOG.txt: [+1 commit] update changelog |
| 00:25.20 | Repo | 10auto-bar: 03Azethoth 04v3.02.00.24 beta * r782 : Tagging as v3.02.00.24 beta |
| 00:25.54 | durcyn | NivFreak: Bimbo |
| 00:27.56 | Stanzilla | that's not a very nice thing to say, mr. durcyn |
| 00:28.03 | Stanzilla | (yes I know about the addon :P) |
| 00:28.52 | NivFreak | durcyn: <3 <3 |
| 00:29.03 | NivFreak | oh wait |
| 00:29.05 | NivFreak | fail |
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| 00:29.47 | NivFreak | it just looks for missing gems enchants |
| 00:29.50 | NivFreak | er, and |
| 00:29.54 | NivFreak | it doesn't do any calc |
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| 00:54.21 | RLD_osx | would someone refresh my memory please. there was an addon that when you clicked the zone button on the mini map it would hide the minimap. for the life of me I can't remeber its name. |
| 00:55.01 | Repo | 10flaskminder: 03DigitalSorceress * r26 / (2 files in 1 directory): FlaskMinder: Fixing small error in vehicle filter |
| 00:56.16 | Repo | 10flaskminder: 03DigitalSorceress 04v0.0.09_beta * r27 : FlaskMinder: Tagging v0.0.09_beta |
| 00:56.19 | Repo | - Bumping to beta... Vehicle Filter working |
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| 01:02.53 | durcyn | NivFreak: "waaah, this only does half of what i want"? =P |
| 01:03.25 | Torhal | durcyn: Where is my car-washing AddOn? |
| 01:03.35 | Wobin | Torhal: waiting for it to rain |
| 01:03.42 | Torhal | Wobin: Damn it. |
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| 01:06.44 | Stanzilla | WTF |
| 01:06.47 | Stanzilla | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/19110028331-the-brood-mother-returns.html |
| 01:06.51 | Stanzilla | Onyxia 2.0 |
| 01:09.57 | Zyndrome | O_o |
| 01:10.02 | Torhal | "Hey, this fucking Naxxramas thing actually worked! Next?" |
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| 01:12.20 | Stanzilla | I just want that drake :p |
| 01:12.25 | Stanzilla | priest t2 looked shitty^^ |
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| 01:24.38 | kadrahil | onyxia making a comeback |
| 01:24.40 | kadrahil | OH NO |
| 01:25.56 | SunStealer | what, where?! |
| 01:27.34 | kadrahil | http://www.worldofraids.com/news/785.html |
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| 01:51.55 | digmouse | hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorey blizzard |
| 01:53.46 | Shirik | pokes digmouse |
| 01:54.09 | digmouse | deflected Shirik's poke |
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| 02:07.31 | dreamborn | http://www.justin.tv/tayschren |
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| 02:27.56 | taleden | ping mitch0 |
| 02:28.26 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r331 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fast fix for latest phishing |
| 02:28.56 | Funkeh` | I fucking hate these guys |
| 02:29.26 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude 04v3.4.8.0 * r332 : Tagging as v3.4.8.0 |
| 02:29.56 | NeoTron | so although it won't make me return, bringing back Onyxia is probably one of the coolest things I've heard in the recent wow history |
| 02:32.14 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden * r57 / (4 files in 1 directory): - removed debugging messages |
| 02:35.08 | taleden | interesting.. git externals are still packaged in nolib builds |
| 02:35.17 | Zyndrome | phishing eh |
| 02:35.20 | taleden | or rather, one of mine is, and the other isn't |
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| 02:36.06 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden * r58 Auracle.toc: - updated TOC addon version |
| 02:36.13 | Shirik | hugs Funkeh` |
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| 02:37.06 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden 041.0.0 * r59 : Tagging as 1.0.0 |
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| 02:39.20 | Xtek | ice cream and cake and cake. |
| 02:39.54 | Xtek | I love how when you turn on repeat in iTunes it gets to the end of the song and stops. |
| 02:40.00 | Xtek | Fantastic feature. |
| 02:41.36 | ckknight | Jean Luc Picard, USS Enterprise. |
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| 02:41.44 | Xtek | Son of a bitch. |
| 02:42.22 | Xtek | Torture will come unto you. |
| 02:43.06 | Sekkyo | Is there a way to adjust the kerning in Pitbull fonts? |
| 02:43.34 | Sekkyo | Something went wrong after an update that affected Pitbull and I'm trying to fix it. |
| 02:43.40 | Xtek | You have to tweak the flux capacitor. |
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| 02:47.47 | Sekkyo | It's in my Delorean in the garage, not the computer I play WoW on |
| 02:50.30 | Antiarc | What's the alternative to Forte? The logarithmic cooldown bar? |
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| 02:56.43 | Xtek | I need a new game to play now. I don't have enough time to raid with my guild anymore. |
| 02:56.53 | Aeyan | Antiarc: CoolLine |
| 02:56.59 | Aeyan | On WoWI |
| 02:57.58 | ckknight | Xtek: pray for SC2. |
| 02:58.21 | Xtek | Ok, brb. |
| 02:58.58 | Xtek | Done. |
| 03:00.18 | fewyn | Xtek play TF2 |
| 03:00.19 | fewyn | imo |
| 03:00.25 | Repo | 10joustdoit: 03x87bliss * r2 / (8 files in 3 directories): First working copy. |
| 03:00.31 | Xtek | Yeeeaaahhhh, no. |
| 03:00.57 | Xtek | If I were to play an FPS it would be COD4. |
| 03:02.28 | Funkeh` | haha cod4 |
| 03:02.30 | Funkeh` | amusing |
| 03:02.37 | Zyndrome | more like ... Grenade of Grenade : Modern Grenade |
| 03:02.39 | Zyndrome | rite? |
| 03:02.41 | Xtek | Hmm? |
| 03:15.52 | break19 | having never played it, I'm assuming you think the grenade is OP ? |
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| 03:23.17 | Zyndrome | if you play multiplayer, yes |
| 03:23.32 | Zyndrome | you'll get used to seeing the grenade indicator on your screen ... a lot |
| 03:24.03 | Xtek | There's a perk you can get that'll drop a grenade when you die where you die and a lot of people tend to get it. |
| 03:24.05 | Funkeh` | time to fiddle with the latest windows 7 iso |
| 03:24.07 | Funkeh` | vms ftw |
| 03:24.24 | Xtek | I'm loving Win7 so far. |
| 03:25.30 | Funkeh` | time for food whilst this slow ass external tries it's best |
| 03:26.12 | break19 | why an external, lappity toppity box? |
| 03:29.42 | Repo | 10joustdoit: 03x87bliss 04v3.2.0.0 * r3 : Tagging as v3.2.0.0 |
| 03:38.18 | Antiarc | So |
| 03:38.30 | Antiarc | Disabling ForteCooldown results in my entire screen being covered in a dull blue texture |
| 03:38.34 | Antiarc | It goes away with alt+x |
| 03:38.36 | Antiarc | alt+z |
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| 03:39.33 | Antiarc | Not clickable, so getmousefocus doesn't catch it |
| 03:40.12 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.45 | Antiarc | I think it might be kgpanels! |
| 03:40.47 | Antiarc | Let's see. |
| 03:40.52 | Antiarc | Yes it was, I'm dumb |
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| 03:52.19 | bluspacecow | Hello folks |
| 03:53.25 | bluspacecow | can someone check my wowmatrix facts i posted on http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110156509&postId=191084472228&sid=1#15 |
| 03:53.39 | bluspacecow | brb needs foods |
| 03:58.00 | Repo | 10libhealcomm-3-0: 03Starinnia * r85 LibHealComm-3.0.lua: |
| 03:58.03 | Repo | fix typo on line 826: tLifeBloom to tLifebloom (now matches the variable on line 648) |
| 04:03.25 | Repo | 10rswapper3: 03x87bliss * r77 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 04:03.28 | Repo | Bug fix: Added support for jousting, and compatibility with "Joust Do It!" - my new addon coming soon. |
| 04:04.30 | Repo | 10rswapper3: 03x87bliss 04v3.2.0.13 * r78 : Tagging as v3.2.0.13 |
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| 04:36.06 | quiescens | hmms |
| 04:37.05 | Antiarc | ~seen Elkano |
| 04:37.06 | purl | elkano <n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 15h 10m 18s ago, saying: 'krka, just see: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1824771'. |
| 04:38.53 | Repo | 10libpendingheals-1-0 (experimental): 03Shadowed 07master * 43305ce / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 04:38.56 | Repo | 43305ce: Rewrote the GUID -> cast detection to actually work consistently |
| 04:39.00 | Repo | 21d969b: Pulled in and tested all Druid data |
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| 05:04.17 | davidcramer | Random google search lead me to WoWAce -- but did anyone ever manage a BLP2TGA via Python (or any language where I could translate that easy enough) |
| 05:06.54 | ckknight | not to my knowledge |
| 05:06.56 | davidcramer | hell ill just write my own I guess its simple for the uncopressed versions, hopefully wc3 doesnt use any others :) |
| 05:09.06 | Gagorian | are people STILL arguing about the Wowmatrix block? |
| 05:09.10 | Gagorian | oh what the fuck |
| 05:09.11 | Gagorian | :< |
| 05:09.49 | bluspacecow | hehehe |
| 05:09.55 | bluspacecow | i call them special |
| 05:10.41 | Shirik | Gagorian: Where? |
| 05:10.53 | Shirik | nm |
| 05:10.54 | Shirik | I don't want to know |
| 05:11.08 | Gagorian | figured as much ;) |
| 05:11.51 | bluspacecow | theres only so many times you can tell someone they're wrong before you lose patience right Shiriki ? |
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| 05:21.49 | Repo | 10fu-bar_raid-save-fu: 03jokeyrhyme * r80 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added tag v2.3.0-beta7 for changeset f47d420aa5a8 |
| 05:21.52 | Repo | - thanks Torhal for some handy suggestions |
| 05:21.55 | Repo | - indicator settings are completely different to categories: fixes Ticket 22 and similar reported problems |
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| 05:40.29 | davidcramer | ok i give up |
| 05:40.41 | davidcramer | anyone wanna volunteer to write a blp->whatever converter for wc3 maps ;D |
| 05:41.20 | davidcramer | i cant be asked to figure out how to do image conversion if theres no lib for it when I know nothing about it, I was lost as soon as it started talking about RGBA and DX encoding |
| 05:42.42 | taleden | what kind of file is blp |
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| 05:43.42 | davidcramer | some kind of image, i think its a texture or model |
| 05:43.51 | davidcramer | theres specs/etc for it I just dont understand it enough |
| 05:43.55 | Stanzilla | licks Antiarc |
| 05:44.08 | davidcramer | and theres one (horriffic) python lib that does DX5, sadly wc3's maps aren't using that encoding |
| 05:44.13 | davidcramer | i think its pretty simple I just don tknow anything about it |
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| 05:53.46 | Groktar | curls up in davidcramer's lap and goes to sleep |
| 05:53.53 | davidcramer | O.o |
| 05:54.00 | davidcramer | some weird shit in here ;) |
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| 05:55.43 | bluspacecow | blp's a blizzard image file isn't it |
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| 05:56.47 | bluspacecow | tried http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ/AddOn_Author_Resources#Resources ? |
| 06:06.41 | kadrahil | did anyone else just dc? :( |
| 06:08.07 | davidcramer | ya it is bluspacecow |
| 06:08.36 | davidcramer | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png |
| 06:08.39 | davidcramer | whos site is that? |
| 06:08.48 | bluspacecow | cog and a few others isn't it ? |
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| 06:09.03 | ckknight | davidcramer: jnwhiteh |
| 06:09.19 | bluspacecow | ah ty ck |
| 06:09.37 | davidcramer | jnwhiteh_: wakey wakey :) |
| 06:09.52 | ckknight | eggs and bakey |
| 06:10.57 | davidcramer | anyone heard anything about sc2 btw? |
| 06:11.06 | ckknight | yes. |
| 06:11.07 | ckknight | I have. |
| 06:11.13 | davidcramer | like a f&f beta date ;) |
| 06:11.15 | ckknight | plays dramatic music |
| 06:12.13 | VonhintenHOME` | speaking of beta... AION WEEKEND INCOMING |
| 06:15.42 | Nechckn | True, VonhintenHOME` - hopefully they're ready for an influx of some *real* testers! |
| 06:16.46 | VonhintenHOME` | still "closed beta", next one after this weekend is the open beta |
| 06:18.28 | Nechckn | now if they will open the clam and really allow UI AddOns and such, that will go a long way, imnsho. |
| 06:19.08 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't really care about addons, I just want them to fix the control issues, and give me clickable name plates over mob heads |
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| 06:19.33 | VonhintenHOME` | oh yeah, and fix that attrocious lag |
| 06:19.39 | davidcramer | i havent even tried aion |
| 06:19.48 | davidcramer | and ive had this lame excuse for a beta account forever |
| 06:19.51 | davidcramer | since curse started giving em out |
| 06:19.51 | davidcramer | :P |
| 06:20.12 | davidcramer | i gave up when i found out it was weekends only |
| 06:20.19 | davidcramer | which is like the only time i dont have time to play |
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| 06:23.10 | Wobin | eh |
| 06:23.24 | Wobin | No MMO now or in the future is going to succeed for any period of time |
| 06:23.32 | Wobin | unless they include the ability for decent addons |
| 06:23.48 | ckknight | I saw a really cool Russian MMO a little while ago |
| 06:23.57 | Wobin | Did it play -YOU-? |
| 06:24.43 | ckknight | the character rolled me |
| 06:24.54 | ckknight | actually it was nicoli_s that was playing |
| 06:25.16 | davidcramer | Wobin: thats not true |
| 06:26.07 | davidcramer | WoW definitely raises the bar in some areas, but that doesn't include a scriptable UI in every MMO :) |
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| 06:27.07 | nevcairiel | You underestimate the power of addons. Alot of people really *hate* the default UI |
| 06:27.21 | Wobin | No, it really is true |
| 06:27.28 | nevcairiel | I probably wouldnt have played that long if i had to do it with the default ui |
| 06:27.30 | davidcramer | Understandable, but I think people overestimate the WoW audience |
| 06:27.36 | davidcramer | a game can be very popular with only 250k players :) |
| 06:27.44 | davidcramer | its just a different audience |
| 06:27.50 | Wobin | unfortunately, WoW set the bar in regards to 'popular' |
| 06:27.53 | davidcramer | IMO, some of the scripting has ruined parts of it |
| 06:27.59 | nevcairiel | popularity is usually just meassured in number of people playing |
| 06:28.07 | davidcramer | the fact that you need an addon to tell you to cast a spell (or even assist you with it), is just poor game design IMO |
| 06:28.36 | Wobin | davidcramer: you also forget that no game designer can -ever- write a UI that will satisfy every single one of it's users |
| 06:28.36 | davidcramer | talking more of the raids and what not there |
| 06:28.44 | davidcramer | Wobin: of course, and I think it's a great addition |
| 06:28.46 | Wobin | there will always be niggling issues |
| 06:28.50 | davidcramer | but I don't think it sets a game up for failure by not having it |
| 06:28.58 | davidcramer | I also think it should be a *bit* more restrictive in what it can do |
| 06:29.01 | Wobin | and the ability to alter the game UI to that level is what has made WoW so popular for so long |
| 06:29.17 | davidcramer | it also really depends on the kind of game |
| 06:29.25 | Wobin | God knows I'd've stopped playing 3 years ago if it weren't for addons |
| 06:29.38 | davidcramer | Mortal Online for example, the game is designed to be completely sandbox -- it has barely any UI, not even a minimap. If you made a game like that scriptable it would destroy it |
| 06:30.05 | davidcramer | (which I cant comment on if this games going to be good or not, its still early beta and their beta test is failing ahrdcore so far :P) |
| 06:30.19 | theoddone33 | thorim hard is hard |
| 06:30.23 | davidcramer | But, I think original ideas, and good design can go a long way, such as Eve Online. |
| 06:30.26 | theoddone33 | but not as hard as freya hard |
| 06:30.49 | Wobin | I'll just state now, that while Eve online is a good game and 'popular' |
| 06:31.04 | Wobin | it will only remain popular as it is while the current players continue to play |
| 06:31.12 | Wobin | because no new players will ever get to their level |
| 06:31.20 | Groktar | sniffs Wobin |
| 06:31.30 | Wobin | smells like Tres Leches |
| 06:31.33 | davidcramer | Wobin: it takes a certain kind of player to enjoy it, thats for sure |
| 06:31.40 | davidcramer | but many games are like that |
| 06:31.44 | bluspacecow | sniffs Groktar |
| 06:31.48 | davidcramer | WoW just really made things "easy" so many casual gamers could play it |
| 06:31.54 | davidcramer | it didnt nescesarily change the core gaming audience |
| 06:32.11 | nevcairiel | Thats just because they failed at designing the game. The Company obviously wants to get as many people as possible playing, because its more money. ;) |
| 06:32.12 | Wobin | yet a large percentage of that 'core gaming audience' plays WoW |
| 06:32.27 | davidcramer | Wobin: I wouldn't say that |
| 06:32.32 | davidcramer | I'd say a large percentage has at least tried it :) |
| 06:32.34 | Wobin | I would. |
| 06:32.50 | davidcramer | but all of my gaming friends, who I've kept in touch with over the years, have tried and didn't really enjoy it |
| 06:33.09 | Wobin | but have they played -any- MMO more than a years length? |
| 06:33.17 | Wobin | (and are still playing it now) |
| 06:33.28 | davidcramer | many have, but not still playing |
| 06:33.32 | davidcramer | for example, I playe dUO for 2 years |
| 06:33.33 | Wobin | exactly |
| 06:33.35 | NightHawkTheSan1 | "all of my gaming friends" is a statistically insignificant value. |
| 06:33.35 | davidcramer | i played WoW during closed beta |
| 06:33.36 | davidcramer | thats it |
| 06:33.43 | davidcramer | NightHawkTheSan1: yes but its the audience im referring to |
| 06:33.46 | davidcramer | the people who didnt start with WoW |
| 06:33.48 | Wobin | indeed, "all my gaming friends" play wow =P |
| 06:33.59 | Wobin | and "all my gaming friends" didn't start with it, either |
| 06:34.07 | NightHawkTheSan1 | davidcramer: unless you're referring to the set of your friends, then it's still a statistically insignificant value |
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| 06:34.33 | davidcramer | Really this entire discussion is mostly opinion and not real stats, but it's my opinion that the core audience of WoW are not MMO players |
| 06:34.48 | davidcramer | but rather they are more casual gamers, that took a liking to WoW because people they knew played it, or it was very easy to pick up |
| 06:34.48 | NightHawkTheSan1 | your opinion is wrong. |
| 06:34.50 | Wobin | Then there's your definition of 'MMO players' |
| 06:34.59 | davidcramer | WoW does not define an MMO Wobin |
| 06:35.04 | davidcramer | then've been around before WoW, and will be around after |
| 06:35.04 | Wobin | Casual players are MMO players |
| 06:35.07 | Wobin | because they play an MMO |
| 06:35.19 | Wobin | cause... WoW... is an MMO |
| 06:35.20 | davidcramer | let's take Lineage 2, and the massive amount of players it has |
| 06:35.23 | Wobin | and... they play it. |
| 06:35.32 | davidcramer | or had, I'm not sure the current numbers |
| 06:35.40 | Wobin | it's dropped =P |
| 06:35.47 | davidcramer | I'm sure, but it was extremely large |
| 06:35.53 | Wobin | but it still has dropped |
| 06:35.59 | Wobin | in that, it's lost popularity |
| 06:36.02 | davidcramer | and it seems all of the people I knew that played WoW (that I met through WoW) stopped playing because they eventually were bored |
| 06:36.02 | NightHawkTheSan1 | http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart7.html |
| 06:36.04 | nevcairiel | I really wonder how you can say "massive amount of players" to any MMO thats not WoW .. which word do you use for WoW when you already blow massive on other games? :P |
| 06:36.16 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I'm pretty sure under any form of satistically valid analasys, wow comes out with a majority of the population |
| 06:36.40 | NightHawkTheSan1 | nevcairiel: tack on "mind bogglingly" to the beginning. ;) |
| 06:36.46 | davidcramer | NightHawkTheSan1: yes, but now what you should do, is compare that chart, to the total # of mmo players now, and then compare a similar chart of mmos to players 5 years ago |
| 06:36.52 | Wobin | although I'm sure those number have changed since the B team took over =P |
| 06:37.03 | NightHawkTheSan1 | davidcramer: irrelevant |
| 06:37.06 | davidcramer | no its not |
| 06:37.09 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yes, it is. |
| 06:37.12 | davidcramer | WoW has created a new audience |
| 06:37.15 | davidcramer | its not the same audience |
| 06:37.17 | davidcramer | thats the point |
| 06:37.22 | NightHawkTheSan1 | that doesn't matter |
| 06:37.24 | davidcramer | its a more casual gaming audience |
| 06:37.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | that can happen in any genre |
| 06:37.29 | davidcramer | yes it can |
| 06:37.39 | davidcramer | but that doesnt change the fact that there's still a very large core audience which isnt a fan of casual games |
| 06:37.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the mmog player audience has has changed, that happens regardless |
| 06:37.45 | nevcairiel | At least half my guild came from other MMOs before, daoc, EQ2, whatever |
| 06:38.34 | davidcramer | anyways -- its my opinion that it's created a new audience, it hasn't changed the previous audience so much |
| 06:38.35 | Wobin | The majority of well advertised MMOs will have a decent amount of people on startup |
| 06:38.43 | Wobin | because everyone will want to try it |
| 06:38.50 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you're trying to make your argument seem valid by crafting your data set to cut out the portion of the population that hurts your argument |
| 06:38.52 | Wobin | Case in point, Conan, and the like |
| 06:39.01 | davidcramer | NightHawkTheSan1: no I'm simply presenting facts |
| 06:39.01 | Wobin | but it's all about how long they keep that audience |
| 06:39.08 | davidcramer | Conan was horrible :) |
| 06:39.15 | NightHawkTheSan1 | davidcramer: ... actually, by your own admission, you've done nothing but state "opinions" |
| 06:39.17 | Wobin | yes, but it had "Record numbers" on startup |
| 06:39.21 | nevcairiel | You didnt present any facts, tbh |
| 06:39.21 | davidcramer | well my opinions are fairly valid |
| 06:39.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | no, not really |
| 06:39.28 | Wobin | but they are not facts |
| 06:39.33 | NightHawkTheSan1 | they're rather wrong |
| 06:39.37 | davidcramer | Wel I think you all can dig up your own facts |
| 06:39.42 | davidcramer | but it doesnt make your opinion any more right than mine |
| 06:39.45 | NightHawkTheSan1 | and they're not even opinions, merely uninformed ideas |
| 06:39.46 | Wobin | er, we did. *points to graph* |
| 06:39.52 | davidcramer | thats one simple graph |
| 06:40.01 | Wobin | it's more concrete than "My friends..." |
| 06:40.01 | davidcramer | thats meaningless out of context :) |
| 06:40.10 | Wobin | which is also meaningless out of context |
| 06:40.13 | davidcramer | you'd need much more market data if you want to present anything as fact |
| 06:40.19 | Wobin | which you have not done |
| 06:40.26 | Wobin | and yet claim it as fact |
| 06:40.52 | davidcramer | Anyways, the major downside I see that WoW has had on MMOs, is that now people think they need to build a new WoW (Warhammer, AoC, Aion, etc) which all seem to clone large elements of WoW, yet don't cater anymore to the people who don't like WoW. |
| 06:40.52 | Wobin | You say "A majority of core MMO players do not play WoW" |
| 06:41.11 | davidcramer | My opinions are just as valid as yours :) |
| 06:41.16 | Wobin | but simple statistics mark that fact as false. |
| 06:41.24 | davidcramer | simple statistics are not simple :) |
| 06:41.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | What context precisely do you mean? You're considering the set of mmog-gamers, and making claims about the subset which play WoW. You've made zero statements of facts, and have done nothing but state uninformed ideas (not opinions) |
| 06:41.28 | Wobin | and that graph alone is enough, -in context- to show that |
| 06:41.31 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you're opinions are NOT valid |
| 06:41.39 | davidcramer | You need more than a graph saying "this many people play wow vs other games" to say what the audience is, was, and what it wants |
| 06:41.44 | davidcramer | NightHawkTheSan1: by the definition of an opinion, it is |
| 06:41.45 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you're entire argument is flawed |
| 06:41.46 | Wobin | So. |
| 06:41.48 | ckknight | davidcramer: are you intentionally angering my people? |
| 06:41.51 | Wobin | You speak for EVERYONE then? |
| 06:41.55 | davidcramer | ckknight: I'm not sure why everyones fighting with me :( |
| 06:41.59 | Wobin | As you clearly are claiming |
| 06:42.01 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 06:42.06 | bluspacecow | and it wants |
| 06:42.13 | NightHawkTheSan1 | davidcramer: no, you're opinions aren't opinions, you're simply stating misinformation as fact, and then claiming it as opinion so you can avoid the fact that it's wrong |
| 06:42.14 | bluspacecow | for me to lick everyone |
| 06:42.18 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.29 | ckknight | noes, bluspacecow! |
| 06:42.30 | Wobin | bluspacecow: you tried it without the space first, didn't you? |
| 06:42.31 | ckknight | teh lix! |
| 06:43.34 | davidcramer | Though I guess I shouldn't talk about anything wrong with WoW in a WoW chan, so my bad :) |
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| 06:43.44 | Wobin | davidcramer: You're claiming that what you're speaking of is fact, without any supporting evidence, without any supporting statistics, and stating that your opinion is that of -all- core MMO players. |
| 06:44.04 | Wobin | We're not saying that WoW is a great MMO |
| 06:44.08 | davidcramer | I was stating my opinion, thats all. I'm not going to argue about it :) |
| 06:44.10 | Wobin | we're just saying it's a popular one |
| 06:44.25 | Wobin | -You're- saying it's not popular |
| 06:44.34 | Wobin | without any supporting evidence to the claim |
| 06:44.38 | davidcramer | Wobin: I'm not going to continue arguing about it, but that's not what I said :) |
| 06:44.40 | NightHawkTheSan1 | davidcramer: no one's saying anything about the quality of wow, i don't think anyone would mind criticism of the game |
| 06:44.48 | Wobin | It's certainly not perfect |
| 06:44.53 | Wobin | and now the B Team' |
| 06:44.56 | Shefki | WoW is successful IMHO because Blizzard was one of the first MMO developers that actually understood the scaling problems that other games had. |
| 06:44.59 | Wobin | s in charge, I don't see it improving much |
| 06:45.01 | davidcramer | I haven't kept track of WoW since early last year |
| 06:45.14 | Shefki | Other games had limited resources that prevented a large population from playing their games. |
| 06:45.16 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Shefki: well, there's other reasons, but thats a big one, yeah |
| 06:45.19 | Elkano | hmm, what's better? a, b, c, d = t[1], t[2], t[3], t[4] or a, b, c, d = unpack(t) |
| 06:45.28 | daev` | catering to the masses |
| 06:45.31 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Shefki: blizzard actively marketed to "new" markets as well |
| 06:45.33 | daev` | WOW in a nutshell |
| 06:45.33 | Shefki | NightHawkTheSan1: Ohh sure it's not the only one bug it's a huge reason. |
| 06:46.05 | Shefki | NightHawkTheSan1: Well in some respects that's tied into what I'm saying. I think the coventional wisdom when WoW came out was that MMO's were niche. |
| 06:46.08 | Wobin | Conan suffered from that terribly |
| 06:46.09 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Shefki: yeah, without a doubt, that and better marketing outside the "gamer core" are probably the two things that rocketed it to the top |
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| 06:46.18 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Shefki: exactly |
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| 06:46.33 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Wobin: from what i heard, conan suffered from a lot of things. like lack of content. :P |
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| 06:46.42 | davidcramer | Many games are like Conan, and they simply try to achieve what WoW has done |
| 06:46.47 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSan1: which is directly relatable to the scalability =) |
| 06:46.48 | davidcramer | which I think they aim too high :) |
| 06:46.52 | Shefki | Most developers didn't bother to solve their scaling problems becuase they didn't see it as a problem. They felt their product was niche, would never have a mass appeal and were ok with that. |
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| 06:47.17 | davidcramer | Shefki: that's definitely true |
| 06:47.17 | davidcramer | many games are developed to target those niche audiences |
| 06:47.17 | Wobin | But then most MMO developers look at Blizzard as their goal |
| 06:47.20 | Wobin | at least the more recent ones |
| 06:47.26 | davidcramer | Wobin: I wouldn't say that, maybe the major labels like EA do |
| 06:47.39 | Shefki | Wobin: Some do some don't. I think the free to play ones really don't think they're going to knock Blizzard off. |
| 06:47.46 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the mmogs that get all the media buzz do |
| 06:47.56 | davidcramer | ya those are typically the people pooring loads of money in them |
| 06:47.58 | NightHawkTheSan1 | but there's smaller ones that recognize they'll never hit wow's level of player base |
| 06:48.00 | davidcramer | and coming from big studios, like EA |
| 06:48.16 | davidcramer | but ya, theres been MANY more independent devs it seems coming up withs maller niche targetted games |
| 06:49.05 | krka | Elkano: depends on how large the table is |
| 06:49.06 | davidcramer | k afk :) |
| 06:49.07 | Shefki | Elkano: If you have a limited and known number of values using []. |
| 06:49.34 | Shefki | Elkano: Using unpack for a table with 3 values is overkill. |
| 06:49.47 | Shefki | slaps ckknight with a trout for doing that a lot with color values. |
| 06:49.49 | krka | and incredibly inefficient if the table has 1000 elements |
| 06:50.06 | krka | it'll push them on the stack only to discard almost all of them |
| 06:50.17 | Shefki | Right. |
| 06:50.25 | krka | unpack(t, 1, 4) might be good though |
| 06:50.37 | ckknight | unpacks krka's mom |
| 06:50.42 | krka | also looks cleaner imo |
| 06:50.54 | krka | but if it's really important to get optimal performance, i'd measure it |
| 06:51.10 | Shefki | krka: Unnecessary function call overhead though. :( |
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| 06:51.54 | Shefki | And it's not like [] is going to be slower than what the unpack function can do they're both Lua internals. |
| 06:53.15 | krka | not sure a call is slower than four table lookups |
| 06:54.04 | krka | i think that's a weird assumption you're making |
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| 06:57.10 | Elkano | seem like for four entries the unpack is a bit faster |
| 06:57.31 | Shefki | Really? That's surpising. |
| 06:57.49 | Shefki | krka: The function call has to do 4 table lookups. |
| 06:57.55 | Shefki | krka: How else do you think it's doing it. |
| 06:58.02 | krka | it may do it optimized |
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| 07:00.53 | Elkano | "predefined unpack is written in C" |
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| 07:02.05 | krka | also, it may avoid some of the lookup since it already knows it's integer keys, and may be lucky and catch all of them in the array section |
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| 07:17.00 | Grum | ckknight: did you break git@git.wowace.com? :( i cant seem to get any sort of connection going |
| 07:17.16 | Kemayo | Repo seems to be being quiet about things, too. |
| 07:17.40 | Dashkal | @ping |
| 07:18.15 | nevcairiel | repo is gone, even |
| 07:18.22 | Dashkal | apparently so |
| 07:18.27 | Kemayo | Oh, ckknight, I've noticed in my "Recent subscription updates" section on the wowace home, some of the dates are just showing as "None". |
| 07:18.46 | nevcairiel | he probably is asleep now |
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| 07:19.15 | Kemayo | Quite possibly. |
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| 07:44.27 | digmouse | woot I almost forget how to use SVN |
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| 07:47.24 | Elusive | Don't worry, I almost forgot how to script in mIRC. |
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| 08:02.44 | SunStealer | hmm, is the mac curse client just sucky? |
| 08:02.45 | digmouse | cant checkout repo why, need I update to Tortoise SVN 1.6.4? |
| 08:03.03 | PProvost | I've got a lockup on svn right now |
| 08:03.04 | Stanzilla | repo down, ckknight in bed |
| 08:03.07 | PProvost | Not sure why |
| 08:03.08 | PProvost | ah |
| 08:03.10 | PProvost | sucks |
| 08:03.12 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
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| 08:03.49 | PProvost | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.51 | digmouse | all repos down? |
| 08:03.51 | PProvost | :) |
| 08:03.55 | PProvost | svn is down |
| 08:04.00 | PProvost | dunno about git |
| 08:04.05 | digmouse | then I'll go to sleep |
| 08:04.09 | PProvost | I'll checkin in the morning. |
| 08:04.11 | PProvost | sleep here too |
| 08:04.12 | PProvost | lol |
| 08:04.16 | digmouse | but I can ping svn.wowace.com |
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| 08:09.34 | Mikk | digmouse: that doesn't mean that the svn service is alive and well |
| 08:10.12 | digmouse | like you can ping us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com but the realms are gone |
| 08:10.26 | digmouse | on maintainance day |
| 08:10.59 | Shefki | Sometimes you can even ping the realms the whole time they're down. |
| 08:11.10 | bluspacecow | and if the svn software behind that is down all it means is you can ping an empty room |
| 08:11.23 | bluspacecow | you know the room is there and you can get traffic from it but nothings there |
| 08:11.35 | bluspacecow | to it not from it |
| 08:11.38 | bluspacecow | oops |
| 08:11.38 | Shefki | <- has a custom system setup to track realm latency and I can assure you quite often the realm servers are actually up the whole time. It's just the DB systems that go down for most maitenance. |
| 08:11.56 | Elusive | Custom system eh? |
| 08:12.10 | Elusive | Would you like to enlighten us a little on that? |
| 08:12.15 | Shefki | No |
| 08:12.20 | mitch0 | it's a botnet |
| 08:12.23 | mitch0 | :P |
| 08:12.25 | Elusive | zomg. |
| 08:12.26 | Shefki | lol |
| 08:12.27 | Shefki | No |
| 08:12.27 | Elusive | Don't flood my IP |
| 08:12.28 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.39 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.47 | Elusive | Whats your command server address, port, channel and channel pass plus botnet bots admin control password |
| 08:12.51 | Elusive | ;o |
| 08:13.06 | Shefki | I jumped through a lot of hoops to find ways of getting valid latency information without bumping into blocking from their firewalls. I'd rather not explain how I do what I do. :) |
| 08:13.17 | Stanzilla | I heard shefki has cool diagrams |
| 08:13.51 | Elusive | He drew them on my chalkboard wall |
| 08:13.54 | Elusive | but he didn't use chalk |
| 08:13.55 | Shefki | That said, I have posted graphs I've made of latency to Blizzard people showing them where they're having issues. :) |
| 08:13.58 | bluspacecow | otherwise you'ld have to kill us ? |
| 08:13.59 | Elusive | used a marker ;( |
| 08:14.07 | Shefki | And I can identify when it's the realm or the network that's having the problem. |
| 08:14.24 | bluspacecow | like upornot.com ? |
| 08:14.49 | bluspacecow | http://www.downornot.com/ |
| 08:15.16 | Elusive | ouch. |
| 08:15.16 | Elusive | Brown.freenode.net fails. |
| 08:15.16 | bluspacecow | wow netsplit ? |
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| 08:15.23 | bluspacecow | thats calvino isn't it |
| 08:15.29 | bluspacecow | calvino.freenode.net |
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| 08:16.13 | *** mode/#wowace [+ovv ckknight Nechckn Wobin] by irc.freenode.net |
| 08:16.26 | Shefki | But for anyone that's curious. This is the type of stuff I produce: |
| 08:16.26 | Shefki | http://files.shefki.org/graph_image.php.png |
| 08:16.37 | bluspacecow | oh ty its not a picture of poo |
| 08:16.40 | Shefki | It's old and from back when wrath was new and the servers were messed up. |
| 08:16.45 | sacarasc | Elusive and bluspacecow: It shows the server you are on splitting from irc.freenode.net, not the actual splitting servers. |
| 08:16.48 | Shefki | The big red block is downtime. |
| 08:16.56 | bluspacecow | oh right |
| 08:17.04 | bluspacecow | big red block == poop |
| 08:17.12 | Elusive | Whats the command to see the server network window |
| 08:17.23 | Elusive | That shows the tree of the network? |
| 08:17.27 | bluspacecow | whats the scale on the bottom ? a time scale ? what time > PDT ?? |
| 08:17.29 | Elusive | Didn't there use to be one ? hmm |
| 08:17.39 | Shefki | bluspacecow: Yes PDT. |
| 08:17.51 | Shefki | The line and the "smoke" are the latency. |
| 08:17.57 | Shefki | The background color is the packet loss. |
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| 08:19.13 | Shefki | The smoke represents when the latency is varying wildly within the periood. |
| 08:19.22 | Elusive | /links ftw |
| 08:19.50 | bluspacecow | whats dat command for ? what OS ? |
| 08:19.58 | Arrowmaster | freenode is weird and shows the server you are connected to in the netsplit quit messages, not the server that actually split |
| 08:20.17 | Arrowmaster | Elusive: /links in mirc i thought, but it tends to be disabled on most networks |
| 08:20.18 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: freenode's IRCD is weird in many ways. |
| 08:20.31 | Arrowmaster | ive seen weirder |
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| 08:20.51 | Shefki | I don't doubt that. |
| 08:21.19 | Elusive | hyperion1.0.2 |
| 08:21.19 | Elusive | Never heard of it |
| 08:21.48 | Arrowmaster | one im on hides everybodys ips by telling you that everys hostmask is the same, by showing everybody has using your own hostmask |
| 08:22.20 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: lol that's pretty funny. |
| 08:22.34 | Shefki | I remember arguing with lilo over a number of things freenode does. |
| 08:22.40 | sacarasc | Stratics did that... |
| 08:22.43 | sacarasc | It was annoying. |
| 08:22.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah im referring to stratics |
| 08:22.51 | Elusive | Is my /whois displaying my Ip? ;/ |
| 08:22.54 | Shefki | Still think it's nonsense that their capab stuff can't be turned off once you've turned it on. |
| 08:23.07 | Shefki | Yes Elusive. |
| 08:23.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont even know why i still idle on stratics |
| 08:23.20 | Elusive | Hmm... this network doesn't have a usermode to hide it? |
| 08:23.30 | bluspacecow | elusive : 70.236.73.103 ? |
| 08:23.30 | Shefki | Elusive: You can request a mask. |
| 08:23.45 | sacarasc | The only channel I was on Stratics for migrated to Freenode to get away from constant splits. |
| 08:23.48 | Elusive | Vhost doesn't exist? ;x |
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| 08:24.00 | Arrowmaster | they do but you have to request them |
| 08:24.01 | Elusive | Where do I request this mask? |
| 08:24.07 | sacarasc | #freenode |
| 08:24.31 | Shefki | I believe you have to have a reasonable reason for asking for one but I don't think they're terribly uptight about it anymore. |
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| 08:24.44 | orionshock | about? |
| 08:24.49 | Shefki | A lot of people have contributor or project masks. |
| 08:25.01 | Shefki | orionshock: masking your host/ip. |
| 08:25.08 | Arrowmaster | you dont have to have a 'reasonable reason' on freenode |
| 08:25.10 | sacarasc | has a project mask. |
| 08:25.22 | Arrowmaster | but oftc says you need a 'reasonable reason' |
| 08:25.48 | Mikk | If you want a WoWUIDev/something host mask you talk to Cairenn |
| 08:25.54 | Elusive | Do we have to be registered with nickserv? |
| 08:25.58 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 08:25.58 | Mikk | Yes |
| 08:26.25 | Elusive | k |
| 08:27.09 | NightHawkTheSan1 | why anyone would not register their nick is beyond me. :P |
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| 08:27.14 | Arrowmaster | i got glined from gamesurge for a day years ago when they added vhosts and +x usermode |
| 08:27.59 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Yeah that's probably changed. Way back when it used to be a pain to add them becuase they had to manually edit conf files, but I'm pretty sure they moved all that stuff to nickserv and so it's easy now. |
| 08:28.33 | Mikk | rebooty. Huzzah windows. |
| 08:28.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah nickserv on freenode will even tell you what your mask is |
| 08:29.18 | Shefki | I've been around for a while on this network. :) |
| 08:29.34 | Elusive | UnealIRCD use to have an option for hiding everyone's mask, registered or not. |
| 08:30.00 | sacarasc | It still does. |
| 08:30.32 | Arrowmaster | so do a few others |
| 08:31.26 | yoshimo | anyone else having troubles to connect to the repositories? |
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| 08:34.44 | mitch0 | yes |
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| 08:37.42 | Shefki | Wow looking at peoples nickserv accounts I feel like an old foggy around here as far as freenode. |
| 08:38.40 | sacarasc | You only beat me by 3 years... ;p |
| 08:39.02 | Arrowmaster | i didnt have a reason to come on freenode before i got into wow and addons |
| 08:40.04 | Arrowmaster | although i cant be sure but i dont think i registered my nick when i first came here since 3 years doesnt seem long enough |
| 08:40.08 | Shefki | I'm pretty sure I was around before my registation date, ISTR that around that time they replaced the services system with a new one and everyone had to re-register. |
| 08:40.44 | mitch0 | shefki: I was here when the whole service ran from magnetic tapes, but a solar wind wiped all that data... :P |
| 08:40.44 | Shefki | The original services stuff was nothing more than a glorified bot with an oline. |
| 08:40.51 | bluspacecow | idk shefki try a google search :) |
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| 08:41.13 | Shefki | mitch0: You say that as a joke but... |
| 08:41.25 | mitch0 | you remember me? :) |
| 08:41.37 | Shefki | I sadly remember using network services that you had to wait for shit to come off tapes. |
| 08:41.59 | Shefki | The solar wind stuff is just funny though. |
| 08:42.24 | Shefki | God I remember using gopher and people were like "Hey check out this new thing called http" |
| 08:42.39 | Mikk | Totally. "Bah, newfangled shit." |
| 08:42.46 | mitch0 | gopher was fugly though :) no wonder http killed it :) |
| 08:42.55 | bluspacecow | rawwrrr kitty bomb |
| 08:43.00 | Mikk | And err what was that ftp search that everyone used back when... |
| 08:43.02 | Mikk | blanks |
| 08:43.07 | mitch0 | archie |
| 08:43.09 | Mikk | thanks |
| 08:44.12 | Mikk | Huhu. Yeah I guess I should be glad that Tim isn't me. |
| 08:44.15 | Shefki | ftp.cdrom.com |
| 08:44.28 | Mikk | "Grumble grumble, 80x25 text is good enough for me." |
| 08:44.31 | Shefki | was briefly involved in running that. |
| 08:44.36 | Groktar | is looking forward to next week's coliseum boss |
| 08:44.44 | Groktar | i'm planning on using the hello kitty buttonfacade |
| 08:44.47 | Groktar | and clicking |
| 08:44.53 | Groktar | and frapsing |
| 08:44.59 | mitch0 | :) |
| 08:45.18 | Groktar | then i'll make another ZOMG WORLD FIRST!!1!!!!!1ONEONEONEOENOENE post on the realm forums |
| 08:45.20 | bluspacecow | <--- is loving being level 74 and being able to fly :) |
| 08:45.34 | krka | in outland you mean? |
| 08:45.41 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 08:45.43 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 08:45.44 | Groktar | northrend |
| 08:45.57 | Groktar | i was mining on my 74dk last week |
| 08:46.05 | Groktar | all up in storm peaks |
| 08:46.30 | krka | hm, how do you get cold weather flying before 77? |
| 08:46.38 | quiescens | a wizard did it |
| 08:46.39 | bluspacecow | theres a tome |
| 08:46.43 | Groktar | welcome to 3.2 s0n |
| 08:46.44 | nevcairiel | krka: have a 80, buy book, mail book to your alt |
| 08:46.46 | nevcairiel | account-bound |
| 08:46.48 | Shefki | Mikk: Were you around long enough ago when tons of systems still had guest accounts. |
| 08:46.51 | bluspacecow | ty nev |
| 08:46.57 | Shefki | And you could just log into random machines around the netw and poke around. |
| 08:47.10 | mitch0 | also, there is this item that lets you fly in several zones up there. (that's currently bugged :) |
| 08:47.25 | Groktar | Shefki, somewhat different topic |
| 08:47.37 | bluspacecow | the loaned reins |
| 08:47.39 | Groktar | but there was a linux lab at my school that was wipe open from outside |
| 08:47.46 | Groktar | all static ips |
| 08:47.55 | Shefki | Kinda sad how everything is locked up really tight these days. |
| 08:48.02 | Groktar | and they all had a student/student username/password |
| 08:48.10 | nevcairiel | Shefki: set an example and open your box up! |
| 08:48.11 | Groktar | this was like 3 years |
| 08:48.16 | bluspacecow | all with admin default servers > |
| 08:48.30 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I actually host a free access system. |
| 08:48.31 | bluspacecow | i mean default admin acct passwords ? |
| 08:49.19 | Shefki | Though I don't believe it still provides shell access to hardly anyone anymore. |
| 08:49.25 | Shefki | Most people don't even want it anyway. |
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| 08:49.30 | krka | nevcairiel: ah right |
| 08:49.48 | bluspacecow | weeee haf ways of making you tak |
| 08:50.49 | Arrowmaster | im not old enough to have been around for much of the stuff you guys are talking about but atleast i know ive been around way longer than other people my age |
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| 08:51.18 | Shefki | There are still the looking glass router accounts though. |
| 08:51.21 | Shefki | That can be fun still. |
| 08:52.15 | Shefki | Though even that is incresingly moving to just web pages. |
| 08:54.07 | Shefki | But yeah things have changed. |
| 08:54.39 | Shefki | I did some stuff back in the day that would probably have people going bonkers these days. |
| 08:55.08 | Mikk | Shefki: "tons"? Didn't like... ALL of them have them? =) |
| 08:55.22 | Mikk | guest/guest ftw |
| 08:55.37 | Mikk | "Oh, hai, here's a suid binary that lets you launch a shell." |
| 08:55.40 | Shefki | Mikk: Not everything had it. |
| 08:55.44 | Mikk | "Ok, I can help you with your computer problems now!" |
| 08:56.11 | Mikk | Mmm true I stayed clear from VAX/VMS |
| 08:56.25 | Mikk | Just watching someone adminning one of those gave me headache |
| 08:56.28 | Mikk | Ultrix was fine though |
| 08:56.39 | Mikk | Though I can't say I remember if those came with guest accs by default |
| 08:56.53 | Shefki | I played around on a lot of SVR4 stuff. |
| 08:57.00 | Arrowmaster | i did some stuff not that many years ago in highschool that would probably get somebody expelled now |
| 08:57.30 | mitch0 | or in prison... |
| 08:57.34 | Mikk | I mostly hung out in the local computer club, where old VAXes came to die |
| 08:57.37 | Shefki | Pretty much yeah. |
| 08:57.38 | Mikk | I.e. got ultrix installed on them |
| 08:57.56 | Elusive | Heck, I about got kicked out of 5th grade for setting a password on computer-boot thru the bios menu or whatever. |
| 08:57.57 | Arrowmaster | i created a streaming music server inside my highschools network |
| 08:58.43 | Shefki | I had a class once where everyone had shared storeage and there was no security on it. |
| 08:58.44 | Mikk | Though somehow someone dumped some sun workstations on us aswell so got some solaris mixed in there |
| 08:58.51 | Shefki | You were just expected to stay out of other peoples stuff. |
| 08:58.59 | Shefki | Of course people didn't. |
| 08:59.12 | orionshock | I think i found on of the addons causing "your are not in party" spam |
| 08:59.16 | Shefki | So some of us made elaborate directory structures to hide stuff. |
| 08:59.21 | Arrowmaster | also created multiple game servers inside my highschools network, sniffed the wireless network in permiscous mode, used multiple different methods of getting around the content filtering proxy server |
| 08:59.27 | Shefki | orionshock: I thought that was LibHealComm? |
| 08:59.33 | yoshimo | there are more |
| 08:59.52 | Mikk | gets "party1 is not in your party." "party2 is not in your party." etcetc |
| 09:00.21 | Shefki | And then put booby traps in the some that looked like our legit programs. |
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| 09:00.57 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah i also got the password to the labs main router that nobody was suppost to know |
| 09:01.17 | bluspacecow | arrow : was it "admin1" |
| 09:01.21 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 09:01.36 | Mikk | had a little program that simulated a terminal disconnect and then presented a login prompt |
| 09:01.39 | Mikk | got soooo many passwords |
| 09:01.48 | Shefki | You guys ever get into hotels "free net" routers and fix them. lol |
| 09:02.05 | Shefki | I used to travel a lot and I'd run into places where I was having issues with the net access. |
| 09:02.19 | orionshock | Shefki: it's WIM |
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| 09:02.36 | Shefki | Probably 9/10 times I'd find out the model of the router, look up the default password, log in and realize some other idiot had been in there and screwed settings up. |
| 09:03.25 | bluspacecow | http://www.wimaddon.com/wiki/Main_Page Orion ? |
| 09:06.10 | orionshock | Shefki: http://paste.wowace.com/954/ |
| 09:06.32 | orionshock | bluspacecow: yes that addon :) |
| 09:08.40 | bluspacecow | whats SAMH ? |
| 09:10.09 | bluspacecow | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/party-time.aspx |
| 09:10.25 | bluspacecow | blocks that system message but does not solve the problem |
| 09:11.10 | vhaarr | ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM", function f(self, event, msg) if msg == ERR_NOT_IN_GROUP then return true end end) |
| 09:11.20 | vhaarr | err |
| 09:11.27 | vhaarr | ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM", function(self, event, msg) if msg == ERR_NOT_IN_GROUP then return true end end) |
| 09:11.27 | orionshock | bluspacecow: a prefix on the debug message to seerate it from the rest of the chat crap |
| 09:11.31 | Arrowmaster | what are the addons doing thats causing that spam? |
| 09:11.54 | bluspacecow | so far WIM and anything using LibHealComm I believe |
| 09:11.55 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: people seem to think that it's sending addon messages to raid/party when you're in a battleground, for example |
| 09:12.00 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: when in a BG your not in a raid, thus SMA to the raid channel gives that msg |
| 09:12.15 | Arrowmaster | how the hell is WIM causing that? |
| 09:12.24 | Arrowmaster | i thought it just did whispers? |
| 09:12.26 | vhaarr | but that's not all, I get the spam even after commenting out all instances of SendAddonMessage in my addon folder |
| 09:12.31 | bluspacecow | is it a library its using ? |
| 09:12.31 | orionshock | http://paste.wowace.com/954/ that's the debugstack() from it |
| 09:12.52 | yoshimo | wim does announce its version to guild, maybe also to raid? |
| 09:13.32 | bluspacecow | oh hai Rabbit |
| 09:15.58 | orionshock | do the _G.argN still exist? |
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| 09:16.19 | Arrowmaster | yes for now |
| 09:16.21 | Arrowmaster | afaik |
| 09:17.05 | orionshock | also aparently reloading your UI with the battlefeild map open causes blizzard's UI to throw the LoadAddon() error trying to concat "reason" a nil val |
| 09:17.59 | bluspacecow | ok im adding that to that stuff to the thread in the O.forums about the bug |
| 09:18.17 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.40 | bluspacecow | ohhh you posted a ticket as well :) |
| 09:20.09 | bluspacecow | So possible fix ? |
| 09:20.10 | orionshock | :) |
| 09:20.18 | yoshimo | i still get a nil-error when trying to get the latents/location of some of my guildmembers, i have reported that weeks ago ;) |
| 09:20.19 | orionshock | fk if i know.. |
| 09:21.00 | bluspacecow | orionshock : http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110231171&postId=191084498980&sid=1#31 |
| 09:22.39 | mitch0 | do riding crops work on flying carpets? :) |
| 09:22.48 | bluspacecow | idk |
| 09:22.53 | bluspacecow | but theres no backside to smack ! |
| 09:23.27 | yoshimo | didnt they limit riding crops to <60 ? |
| 09:23.28 | nevcairiel | didnt they remove riding crops for players over lvl 70 or something, anyway? |
| 09:23.41 | mitch0 | also, is it a bug that the flying carpet cast speed is also down to 1.5 secs? or all other flying mounts got cast speed reduced? patch notes (used to) say only land mounds |
| 09:24.06 | mitch0 | nev: I just read the tooltip on wowhead and it doesn't mention that |
| 09:24.17 | bluspacecow | mithch : the reduced cast speed was for all mounts wasnt it |
| 09:24.29 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25653 |
| 09:24.32 | nevcairiel | read again ^ |
| 09:25.00 | bluspacecow | "Equip: Increases mount speed by 10%. Does not work for players above level 70." |
| 09:25.02 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 09:25.24 | mitch0 | nev: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37313 |
| 09:25.41 | nevcairiel | those riding crops only ever existed for a few builds during beta |
| 09:25.52 | nevcairiel | they never made it live |
| 09:25.59 | mitch0 | hrmp |
| 09:25.59 | mitch0 | sux |
| 09:26.18 | sacarasc | I loved my riding crop. |
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| 09:26.52 | yoshimo | carrot on a stick is my favorite ;) |
| 09:27.16 | bluspacecow | mitch0: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18331430652&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 |
| 09:28.02 | mitch0 | blus: thanks |
| 09:28.23 | bluspacecow | ;) |
| 09:28.34 | bluspacecow | got nothing else to do until my quest mobs respawn |
| 09:28.47 | SunStealer | http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs46/i/2009/225/7/7/Down_the_Street_by_cainadamsson.jpg |
| 09:28.54 | bluspacecow | ZOMG onyxia level 80 version :) |
| 09:29.55 | nevcairiel | whats with the new name anyway thul? |
| 09:30.04 | SunStealer | nevcairiel: haha, I totally forgot to change back :-D |
| 09:30.19 | thul | I just was happy about getting the nick "SunStealer" on a populated server :-P |
| 09:30.59 | sb|work | try to get Fisker then |
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| 09:31.16 | *** mode/#wowace [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 09:31.24 | mitch0 | blus: funny how every change brings out the whiners :) |
| 09:31.32 | bluspacecow | *hands Tekkub sum bacon* |
| 09:31.34 | mitch0 | (that post about 1.5sec mount cast) |
| 09:31.39 | bluspacecow | mitch0 : totally |
| 09:31.50 | bluspacecow | eg the double wide quest pane |
| 09:33.31 | orionshock | Iriel needs to make "SingleWide" now that DoubleWide is in the game :) |
| 09:33.51 | krka | gief QuadrupleWide |
| 09:33.51 | mitch0 | blus: well, to be honest I hate that, too :) |
| 09:34.06 | mitch0 | I just don't whine about it |
| 09:34.20 | nevcairiel | I've been using a double-quest-pane ever since BC beta, and i wouldnt want to miss it |
| 09:34.29 | nevcairiel | the default is just so freaking small |
| 09:35.26 | bluspacecow | whats the command for equipping an item set in a macro again ? |
| 09:39.12 | orionshock | vhaarr: question about bug sack, have you looked at the new default error frame that blizzard put in in 3.2? it seemed to have a metric ton more of info than just a debugstack |
| 09:39.26 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 09:39.32 | Arrowmaster | it just has wrong info |
| 09:39.33 | bluspacecow | yep including variable and contents of variables |
| 09:39.35 | orionshock | seemed to on the ptr |
| 09:40.29 | Arrowmaster | it looked like a ripoff of the swatter style of display but bugged |
| 09:40.52 | bluspacecow | ah found it off my archives " |
| 09:40.54 | bluspacecow | http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/7771430.html |
| 09:43.25 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: nope, there's more to it than a debugstack(), it's got the locals and a nice breakdown. |
| 09:43.35 | bluspacecow | blah that didn't work |
| 09:45.51 | Arrowmaster | !api debuglocals |
| 09:45.52 | lua_bot | debuglocals: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/debuglocals) |
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| 09:46.21 | orionshock | that the magic sauce api? |
| 09:46.33 | Arrowmaster | apparently |
| 09:47.05 | bluspacecow | ah i got it |
| 09:47.15 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.43 | Arrowmaster | its being called as debuglocals(4) |
| 09:49.04 | bluspacecow | time for foods brb |
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| 09:52.49 | digmouse | any broker friends and guild plugin working in 3.2? |
| 09:52.51 | digmouse | Ara brokes |
| 09:53.43 | orionshock | ^^ never understood the need for addons like that.. |
| 09:53.54 | orionshock | that's what the social window is for... |
| 09:55.20 | digmouse | I prefer a mouseover -.- |
| 09:56.02 | orionshock | <3 addons, to each their onw :) |
| 09:56.03 | Arrowmaster | "-- WoW crashes when strings > 983 characters are stored in the" that still true? |
| 09:56.34 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: where is that and what's the rest of the line? |
| 09:56.55 | Arrowmaster | err |
| 09:57.08 | Arrowmaster | -- WoW crashes when strings > 983 characters are stored in the -- SavedVariables file, so make sure we don't exceed that limit. -- For lack of a better thing to do, just truncate the error :-/ |
| 09:58.06 | orionshock | never seen that one before, don't know |
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| 10:07.03 | Fisker | curse client screwing up for anyone else as welL? |
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| 10:09.34 | digmouse | anyone familiar with DogTagText? |
| 10:10.24 | orionshock | don't? |
| 10:12.27 | krka | anyone know what action bar pages various druid forms use? |
| 10:13.02 | bluspacecow | umm |
| 10:13.09 | bluspacecow | let me check ma macros |
| 10:13.50 | bluspacecow | gah not in there sorry :( |
| 10:14.27 | bluspacecow | all i have is /swapactionbar 1 1 |
| 10:16.43 | krka | what's that do? |
| 10:17.04 | bluspacecow | makes sure my cat action bar is up |
| 10:17.09 | bluspacecow | possibly not needed |
| 10:17.26 | krka | i see |
| 10:18.57 | bluspacecow | should really use changeactionbar |
| 10:19.29 | bluspacecow | both my cat and bear form use action bar page 1 |
| 10:19.45 | nevcairiel` | krka: cat 7, bear 9, tree 8 and moonkin 10, i believe |
| 10:19.50 | krka | thanks! |
| 10:19.55 | orionshock | you can't change/swap action bar to the forms b/c they don't use the first 6 ones iirc |
| 10:20.05 | bluspacecow | oh right |
| 10:20.42 | bluspacecow | heheh thanks nev was about to login and get funky with /changeactionbar cmds on my drood |
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| 10:22.32 | Mikk | wants action bars that are not tied to the servers |
| 10:22.38 | Mikk | ... for playing other people's toons |
| 10:23.02 | nevcairiel` | there are addons that do that =P |
| 10:23.09 | krka | crap.... 5 is either tree form or flying? :/ |
| 10:23.23 | bluspacecow | flying |
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| 10:23.34 | orionshock | default UI dosn't page on flying |
| 10:23.39 | yoshimo | do we already know that the next encounter in the coliseum are the faction champions? my guildleader said that |
| 10:23.50 | nevcairiel | krka: use the bonusbar modifier, its guaranteed to work properly .. form sucks |
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| 10:24.25 | Fisker | wants Mikk |
| 10:24.33 | Fisker | can't you just use synchronizesettings 0? |
| 10:24.42 | nevcairiel | actions are always synced |
| 10:24.48 | nevcairiel | and have always been |
| 10:24.51 | Fisker | oh u nevcairiel |
| 10:24.54 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 10:24.56 | bluspacecow | <_< |
| 10:25.03 | bluspacecow | ~fish Fisker |
| 10:25.03 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around with a large trout |
| 10:25.41 | krka | nevcairiel: ah bonusbar... does that work with bartender? |
| 10:25.47 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 10:25.51 | krka | ah for conditions, got it |
| 10:25.57 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBonusBarOffset |
| 10:26.02 | nevcairiel | there is the values for it ^ |
| 10:26.28 | krka | thanks! |
| 10:30.37 | thul | soon 900 arena rating :-D |
| 10:35.13 | Caleb| | !api spell_aura_applied |
| 10:35.13 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'spell_aura_applied'. |
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| 10:47.31 | yoshimo | does everyone still start with a 1,5k rating? |
| 10:49.26 | copystring | nah, you start at 0 |
| 10:51.16 | thul | yeah, start at 0... |
| 10:51.20 | thul | so I have worked my way up to 900 :-P |
| 10:51.29 | Caleb| | is it only me having problems with SVN? |
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| 10:51.57 | yoshimo | caleb, no,i have problems to |
| 10:52.08 | yoshimo | i can ping the server but svn update times out |
| 10:52.10 | nevcairiel | the whole thing is down |
| 10:52.33 | Caleb| | any ETA when will it be up? |
| 10:52.49 | nevcairiel | when ckk wakes up again, probably =P |
| 10:53.17 | yoshimo | he's us-citizen , isnt he? ;) |
| 10:53.50 | Arrowmaster | no hes from hawaii |
| 10:54.29 | nevcairiel | he lives on the west coast now, though :P |
| 10:54.32 | bluspacecow | in hawaii ? |
| 10:54.48 | Arrowmaster | west coast? |
| 10:55.11 | Arrowmaster | curse isnt on the west coast |
| 10:55.34 | Arrowmaster | theyre in allabamma |
| 10:55.44 | bluspacecow | allabamma ? |
| 10:55.47 | bluspacecow | wheres that ? |
| 10:56.19 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_USA_AL.svg |
| 10:56.47 | bluspacecow | so its the yellow square ? |
| 10:58.21 | nevcairiel | why do they have all their times on PDT then? pacfic time is far away from allabamma |
| 10:58.44 | Arrowmaster | they do? |
| 10:59.07 | quiescens | life is like a box of chocolates? |
| 10:59.43 | Pneumatus | so they are revamping onyxia /facepalm |
| 10:59.49 | Arrowmaster | blizzard is on the west coast so all there times are PST/PDT, maybe they use do it to avoid confusion |
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| 11:45.12 | digmouse | is SVN back online? |
| 11:48.18 | yoshimo | i doubt it |
| 11:49.01 | Mikk | errrrr so since when have you been able to do GetAuctionItemClasses() etc without even being NEAR an auction house? oO |
| 11:49.22 | Mikk | log on a toon in the middle of the fricking forest -> /print GetAuctionItemClasses() -> results! |
| 11:50.24 | yoshimo | works on the argent tournament grounds as well ;) |
| 11:50.47 | Arrowmaster | always i thought, thats whats used to build the item sections at the AH right? |
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| 11:50.57 | Mikk | i just seem to have this hazy recollection that it wouldn't work unless you had interacted with an auctioneer |
| 11:51.04 | Mikk | but that seems to (no longer?) be true |
| 11:51.22 | Arrowmaster | maybe the changed it back when they did the major ah catagory revamp |
| 11:51.47 | digmouse | I tried, no it's still dead |
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| 11:59.42 | mitch0 | hm. what's the diff between UnitCanAssist, UnitCanCooperate and UnitIsFriend? |
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| 12:00.47 | krka | good question, over all i think the unit function set is weirdly defined |
| 12:01.08 | krka | would be nice with some more orthogonality |
| 12:01.42 | Pneumatus | UnitCanAssist probably differentiates between npcs that you can heal, and npcs that you cant |
| 12:01.48 | Pneumatus | although i can't confirm :P |
| 12:02.11 | krka | that's good guess |
| 12:02.12 | mitch0 | ok, but what is "cooperate" then? :) |
| 12:02.24 | krka | i suppose UnitCanCooperate implies UnitCanAssist, which implies UnitIsFriend |
| 12:02.25 | Pneumatus | UnitIsFriend will be any unit thats not hostile/neutral |
| 12:02.50 | Arrowmaster | a unit can be a friend without being able to assist it |
| 12:03.16 | Pneumatus | yeh, like NPCs you cant heal |
| 12:03.23 | mitch0 | yeah, UnitCanAssist is kinda clear (that's what I use to check if I can use spell ranges on them) |
| 12:03.31 | mitch0 | but what is UnitCanCooperate? :) |
| 12:03.36 | Pneumatus | dunno about UnitCanCooperate tho |
| 12:03.44 | nevcairiel | !api UnitCanCoo |
| 12:03.44 | lua_bot | UnitCanCooperate: Returns whether two units can cooperate (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitCanCooperate) |
| 12:04.01 | nevcairiel | there you have it |
| 12:04.14 | mitch0 | ah |
| 12:04.18 | mitch0 | the player part |
| 12:04.41 | Pneumatus | yeh, wowwiki gives an example about using it to add people to friends list |
| 12:04.52 | Pneumatus | as you'd have to be UnitCanCooperate() to make them a friend |
| 12:05.19 | mitch0 | ok, that's sorted then |
| 12:05.22 | krka | ah... assist is for healing and buffing then? |
| 12:05.28 | krka | need to change some code then :) |
| 12:06.05 | Pneumatus | are there NPCs that you can buff but not heal? |
| 12:06.11 | mitch0 | is there an addon out there that shows the remaining time of shaman's totems ? |
| 12:06.15 | Pneumatus | or vice versa |
| 12:06.17 | Arrowmaster | Pneumatus: yes |
| 12:06.23 | nevcairiel | sometimes, yes |
| 12:06.33 | nevcairiel | you can use some buffs, not not all |
| 12:06.33 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 12:06.37 | Pneumatus | wonder how they flag |
| 12:06.38 | Arrowmaster | theres been many in the past that you could buff but not heal, major one i can think of is in AQ20 |
| 12:06.46 | nevcairiel | like some npcs are immune to blessing of kings |
| 12:06.53 | nevcairiel | but accept all other buffs |
| 12:06.55 | Pneumatus | ah yeh, 2nd boss npcs in aq20 |
| 12:07.15 | nevcairiel | i don't think any API will tell you about those weird cases |
| 12:07.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah remember making the druid cast motw on the npcs in aq20 all the time |
| 12:07.36 | nevcairiel | the best thing was, you could group-buff them :D |
| 12:08.06 | Pneumatus | id guess they show as UnitCanAssist(), just you cant assist them in every possible way |
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| 12:20.04 | digmouse | anyone familiar with DogTagText? |
| 12:21.14 | Pneumatus | ive got a bit of experience using dogtags |
| 12:28.12 | Pneumatus | i still cant work out why headcount stores localized zone names as both the key to the instance table and as a value in the keys table |
| 12:28.19 | Pneumatus | wonder if its legacy |
| 12:30.26 | Pneumatus | oh, cc4 update, wonder if the changelog viewer is fixed |
| 12:32.48 | Pneumatus | heh, development versions showing updates sis still broken |
| 12:33.06 | Pneumatus | and status showing 0 :< |
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| 12:40.44 | CrazyBenny | is it just me, or anyone else can't connect to wowace svn? |
| 12:41.34 | Pneumatus | repo server is dead i think |
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| 12:41.48 | Pneumatus | ... |
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| 12:47.03 | yoshimo | work in us should begin "soon" ;) |
| 12:48.46 | Pneumatus | heh, can report bugs through CC4 for specific addons now |
| 12:49.55 | taleden | so does that hook into that addons tickets page on wowace/curse? |
| 12:50.02 | Pneumatus | yeh |
| 12:50.04 | taleden | and does it let you search existing tickets before you post a new one? |
| 12:50.21 | Pneumatus | of course not |
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| 12:50.26 | taleden | awesome. |
| 12:50.43 | Pneumatus | oh great, there's no way to actually exit CC4 now either |
| 12:51.00 | steev | alt |
| 12:51.04 | steev | +f4 |
| 12:51.10 | Pneumatus | i need it to save some settings |
| 12:51.15 | Pneumatus | which doesnt happen on alt+f4 |
| 12:51.37 | steev | alt+x? |
| 12:51.41 | nevcairiel | a sane windows app saves settings on alt-f4 |
| 12:51.42 | yoshimo | i want to export my whole inventory including bankslots to a simpel textfile with id&name, so i can see what items i have, how can i do that? |
| 12:52.20 | yoshimo | rpgo characterprofiler seems to be broken |
| 12:52.24 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: ive just switch off minimise to tray and exited, and it doesnt even save settings then :< |
| 12:52.26 | Pneumatus | its like |
| 12:52.35 | Pneumatus | 1 step forwards, 2 steps back |
| 12:52.40 | nevcairiel | i said "sane" |
| 12:52.47 | nevcairiel | CC4 doesnt even look like a windows app |
| 12:52.55 | nevcairiel | don't mentioning sane |
| 12:53.00 | quiescens | sanity is overrated |
| 12:53.02 | Pneumatus | it looks like it belongs on osx |
| 12:53.09 | Pneumatus | its trying to be iTunes or something |
| 12:53.27 | Pneumatus | if you change the theme to grey it actually is iTunes |
| 12:54.04 | Pneumatus | all it needs is a screenshot to show up in the bottom right corner where iTunes shows cover art |
| 12:54.21 | mitch0 | it's in the works |
| 12:54.26 | mitch0 | :P |
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| 12:54.43 | Fisker | shame on you for knowing how itunes look |
| 12:55.00 | Fisker | is the client a bit fucked up for you guys at the moment btw? |
| 12:55.01 | Pneumatus | i only use iTunes for stuff that isnt on spotify |
| 12:55.05 | Pneumatus | yes |
| 12:55.06 | Pneumatus | its fucked |
| 12:55.07 | Pneumatus | in the ass |
| 12:55.29 | Pneumatus | its being weird with the status column, working copies are still broken, its not exiting when i tell it to |
| 12:55.30 | Pneumatus | etc |
| 12:56.09 | Pneumatus | and i just managed to crash it |
| 12:56.10 | Pneumatus | gg |
| 12:56.24 | Pneumatus | Message:Cannot set Visibility or call Show or ShowDialog after window has closed. |
| 12:56.27 | Pneumatus | ORLY?! |
| 12:56.38 | krka | yarly |
| 12:57.46 | Pneumatus | i still dont understand how the cc can fail so hard at working copies |
| 12:57.58 | Pneumatus | if the addon folder contains an .svn folder, stfu |
| 12:58.07 | Fisker | LEAVE CURSE CLIENT ALONE |
| 12:58.11 | orionshock | Pneumatus: works just fine for me |
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| 12:59.52 | krka | or a .git folder! |
| 13:00.27 | Pneumatus | http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2732/cc4brokenworkingcopy.jpg |
| 13:00.55 | Pneumatus | broked. |
| 13:03.02 | nevcairiel | wonder what happens when i click that "use _svn folders instead of .svn" checkbox in tortoise =P |
| 13:03.29 | orionshock | Pneumatus: where did u get v4? |
| 13:03.42 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: cc4 assplodes, id guess |
| 13:03.52 | Pneumatus | orionshock: secret :< |
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| 13:04.58 | mitch0 | what language is the client written in? |
| 13:05.06 | mitch0 | (just curious) |
| 13:05.21 | Pneumatus | c# id imagine |
| 13:05.24 | Xtek | Which one? |
| 13:05.52 | Xtek | v3 or v4? |
| 13:05.52 | mitch0 | xtek: the one everyone's bashing at the moment :) |
| 13:06.05 | mitch0 | oh, they're _that_ different? |
| 13:06.10 | Xtek | Well I have no context. |
| 13:06.11 | nevcairiel | 3 is C++, 4 is probably C# |
| 13:06.18 | Pneumatus | id guess the same |
| 13:06.18 | Xtek | 4 is written in C#/WPF. |
| 13:06.48 | mitch0 | they should've stick with c++/qt :) |
| 13:06.54 | Xtek | Or not. |
| 13:07.08 | pschriner | the java wowace client was best |
| 13:07.20 | Xtek | That wasn't Java. |
| 13:07.20 | mitch0 | java is crap for client side imo |
| 13:07.39 | nevcairiel | They should've stayed away from WPF, if you ask me. Its a weird system, and its so recent that everyone is forced to install .net 3.5 |
| 13:07.44 | pschriner | there was a spike, v2, that was Java / SWT based |
| 13:07.47 | mitch0 | I mean, working on client side stuff in java is crap. |
| 13:07.48 | nevcairiel | and it will never work on linux =( |
| 13:07.53 | Xtek | nevcairiel, not the whole thing. ;) |
| 13:07.53 | Pneumatus | JWoWUpdater was java |
| 13:08.05 | Xtek | It's just the .NET 3.5 client profile which is much, much smaller. |
| 13:08.32 | Xtek | People will complain no matter what route you take. |
| 13:08.49 | nevcairiel | Taking the one with the highest resistance is still kinda weird :D |
| 13:08.54 | mitch0 | well, I still haven't found any better client-side toolkit than qt. ymmv |
| 13:09.15 | pschriner | lol |
| 13:09.18 | nevcairiel | Qt is fine if you need cross-platform compat |
| 13:09.19 | Pneumatus | i just want iTunes^W CC4 to actually work :< |
| 13:09.25 | nevcairiel | if you just want windows, the MS stuff is better |
| 13:09.29 | mitch0 | nev: s/if.*// |
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| 13:09.43 | Xtek | A mac client is in the works. |
| 13:10.03 | Pneumatus | im referring to the windows version |
| 13:10.10 | nevcairiel | Although i personally prefer GTK, since i'm a GNOME person =P |
| 13:10.36 | mitch0 | nev: I think the qt API is a lot cleaner |
| 13:10.44 | yoshimo | razorscales devouring flames arent shown anymore in the combatlog and have no longer a visible castbar, do they? |
| 13:10.45 | mitch0 | (again, ymmv :) |
| 13:11.02 | nevcairiel | I |
| 13:11.11 | nevcairiel | I've only ever worked with Qt through PyQt |
| 13:11.13 | nevcairiel | so i dunno |
| 13:11.14 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 13:12.23 | Pneumatus | google never fails to amuse me when i search for recursion |
| 13:12.54 | Xtek | hah, I never noticed they did that |
| 13:14.42 | sacarasc | Where does one get CC4? I would like to give it a try... |
| 13:15.54 | Xtek | It hasn't hit public beta yet though netcurse has slipped up from time to time. :P |
| 13:16.24 | Xtek | It probably will today from what I heard yestarday. |
| 13:16.43 | Pneumatus | its not ready |
| 13:17.02 | Xtek | I've been using it for 4-5 weeks what's wrong with it? |
| 13:17.13 | Pneumatus | latest push: http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2732/cc4brokenworkingcopy.jpg |
| 13:17.24 | sacarasc | CC3 doesn't work for me at all. |
| 13:17.34 | Pneumatus | status column, and working copy updates which were supposed to be fixed |
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| 13:17.37 | Pneumatus | amongst other problems |
| 13:17.37 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Funkeh`] by ChanServ |
| 13:17.58 | Xtek | I'll bring that up today. |
| 13:18.02 | Xtek | Thanks. |
| 13:18.08 | Pneumatus | at least the changelog viewer is being less retarded this version |
| 13:18.31 | Pneumatus | even though it STILL shows nolib changelogs as well as normal file changelogs |
| 13:18.34 | Pneumatus | and only ever shows 2 files |
| 13:18.45 | PProvost | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.56 | nevcairiel | wake up ckknight so he can fix it already |
| 13:18.59 | nevcairiel | or Kaelten |
| 13:19.41 | Xtek | Just let him know. |
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| 13:21.22 | Pneumatus | saved variables cleaner looks like its got a menu item now in tools, but doesnt do anything either |
| 13:22.32 | Xtek | Pneumatus the dev of CC4 said reinstall CC4. |
| 13:22.45 | Pneumatus | facepalm |
| 13:23.14 | Xtek | It's not even public beta yet... |
| 13:24.44 | Elkano | Pneumatus, changelog should show up to 7 entries: latest alpha/beta/release + their nolibs and your version |
| 13:25.11 | Xtek | Kaelten said he restarted the SVN server. |
| 13:25.22 | Pneumatus | Elkano: i've only ever seen it show latest alpha and latest release |
| 13:26.04 | Xtek | Yeah I'm running the latest version and I see them all. |
| 13:26.37 | Pneumatus | CC4 still doesnt show addon folders it couldnt match either :< |
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| 13:36.04 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.15 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.46 | yoshimo | yes you may :) |
| 13:37.55 | yoshimo | bluspacecow, is this the correct spelling ? ill add it to lw if it is ;) |
| 13:38.06 | digmouse | rofl someone translated the comment under the English line in the system |
| 13:38.13 | bluspacecow | hmm ? |
| 13:38.17 | bluspacecow | which line ? |
| 13:38.50 | bluspacecow | yeah that script command is correct ...extracted it myself and tested just now |
| 13:38.59 | yoshimo | your quote of eadric the pure |
| 13:39.29 | bluspacecow | I guess so |
| 13:39.29 | digmouse | English:Incoming color, and there is a comment "[VisualHeal] Colors" showing the usage of this line, that guy translated the comment |
| 13:39.48 | bluspacecow | play it in game :D |
| 13:40.10 | yoshimo | my english files are broken, i have to play in german ;) |
| 13:41.08 | Megalon | repair.exe!11 |
| 13:42.01 | orionshock | yoshimo: that's what u get when trying to run a multi-lingual install in the wrong region :P |
| 13:42.12 | orionshock | oh german, nmd... |
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| 13:42.25 | yoshimo | repair exe tells me that all files are correct but wow.exe tells me that a dbc.file has the wrong amount of colums |
| 13:45.12 | orionshock | lol <3 the fine print on the cf store page.. just full of win |
| 13:47.40 | mitch0 | btw, it would be nice to have a $250 reward for a bit less points then 10k... I'll need like 3 years to get that much ;) |
| 13:51.05 | nevcairiel | 1.5 years for the half is better? :P |
| 13:51.10 | nevcairiel | just get amazon thignys |
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| 13:52.11 | mitch0 | of course it's better |
| 13:52.39 | mitch0 | I need teh money for a new computer :) |
| 13:57.42 | NivFreak | durcyn: re yesterday, it does none of what I want |
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| 14:16.10 | digmouse | I think repo is down |
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| 14:24.01 | nevcairiel | @ping |
| 14:24.02 | Repo | pong |
| 14:24.10 | nevcairiel | at least its back online |
| 14:24.13 | nevcairiel | might still be broken |
| 14:25.15 | Bruners | i want to be fully logged in on curse :S |
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| 14:26.14 | Bruners | can change my profile ++ but cant post comments |
| 14:27.58 | nevcairiel | curse is just broken like that |
| 14:28.12 | nevcairiel | you could try to log out and back in |
| 14:28.14 | nevcairiel | sometimes that helps |
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| 14:30.44 | Bruners | nevcairiel: thing is, it says that im not logged in |
| 14:30.58 | nevcairiel | ../logout.aspx |
| 14:31.34 | Bruners | there we go, thanks! :) |
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| 14:40.09 | elsia | nevcairiel: you know that the multicast bar of bt4 taints? |
| 14:40.22 | nevcairiel | i have no shaman |
| 14:40.35 | elsia | any way I can help debug this for you? |
| 14:41.25 | Bruners | nevcairiel: what class(es) do you play? |
| 14:41.40 | nevcairiel | nothing anymore really =P |
| 14:42.06 | nevcairiel | But at least i have a druid and a DK on 80, and a lock and warrior on 70 |
| 14:42.29 | thul | nevcairiel: I got a shaman |
| 14:42.35 | thul | if you need something tested |
| 14:42.42 | digmouse | anyone got this error:"Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:232: attempt to concatenate local 'reason' (a nil value)"? |
| 14:42.46 | Pneumatus | i have a shaman, but i dont use BT4 :P |
| 14:43.04 | Pneumatus | digmouse: someone is calling LoadAddon before PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 14:43.08 | Pneumatus | or something |
| 14:43.25 | digmouse | how can I know which one? |
| 14:43.48 | Bruners | checked FrameXML.log ? |
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| 14:44.12 | digmouse | ok I'll see |
| 14:44.19 | elsia | could well be that the taint is a blizz bug again, but no clue really |
| 14:44.38 | nevcairiel | Did you try disabling all other addons? |
| 14:44.56 | elsia | lemme do that |
| 14:45.04 | nevcairiel | I know that at least one person reported that it was caused by other addons |
| 14:45.15 | digmouse | I got around 300 addons, including separate libs |
| 14:45.26 | digmouse | so it might be quicker to check the logs |
| 14:50.30 | kadrahil | you use 300 addons? |
| 14:51.05 | kadrahil | slaps ckknight around a bit with nevcairiel on a hot thul in the Wobin |
| 14:51.20 | nevcairiel | hey the wobin isnt rusty anymore |
| 14:51.31 | thul | thul!? WHAT?! |
| 14:51.31 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 14:51.31 | thul | :-P |
| 14:51.33 | kadrahil | no he got cleaned up, he's all shiny now |
| 14:51.37 | thul | wobin makes me think of obin |
| 14:51.47 | Wobin | thul makes me think of hul? |
| 14:51.51 | Bruners | i have about 70 addons |
| 14:51.58 | kadrahil | o.O |
| 14:52.22 | elsia | anyone know an action bar addon that doesn't taint the totem bar for code comparison? |
| 14:52.23 | yoshimo | repo is sleeping, isnt he? |
| 14:52.25 | thul | Wobin: have you not _READ_ that books?! |
| 14:52.28 | thul | -s |
| 14:52.33 | Bruners | using 8MiB |
| 14:52.35 | kadrahil | in.before(ckknight.slidesin()); |
| 14:52.41 | digmouse | no not 300 |
| 14:52.54 | digmouse | 275 including separate libs |
| 14:52.58 | kadrahil | O.O |
| 14:53.12 | Wobin | thul: which ones? |
| 14:53.23 | digmouse | that's installed, loading just around 200 including libs I think |
| 14:53.26 | kadrahil | WOULD YOU LIKE SOME GAME PLAY TIME WITH YOUR ADDONS? |
| 14:53.48 | thul | Wobin: Old man's war, the last colony etc |
| 14:54.09 | digmouse | and if you supress the multi modules of certain addons into one, less |
| 14:54.46 | Pneumatus | 154 folders in Interface/Addons, 80 according to curse client |
| 14:55.17 | Bruners | i have like 5 or 6 just doing chat |
| 14:56.04 | digmouse | counted 144 including libs by curse client, but I only load about 2/3 or less on one character |
| 14:57.17 | digmouse | and nevcairiel: have you removed the pre 3.0.8 compability code in ace3? if not it's time to do this |
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| 15:00.41 | Bruners | kadrahil: how many addons do you use then? :) |
| 15:00.54 | elsia | nev: the taint is definitely BT4. only bt4 enabled and the moment I try to click BT4 totem swap icon I get the taint. |
| 15:01.16 | elsia | well BT4 or blizz :P |
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| 15:05.42 | nevcairiel | do i actually need to level a freaking shaman to whatever level i get a totem? <.< |
| 15:05.56 | Bruners | yep |
| 15:06.13 | Bruners | or use someone elses account with a shaman |
| 15:06.17 | kadrahil | Bruners: i only use a few |
| 15:06.35 | kadrahil | Bruners: notably ARL, atlasloot, bigwigs, omen, recount, cartographer/questhelper |
| 15:06.47 | kadrahil | Bruners: omnicc... |
| 15:06.52 | kadrahil | i'm fairly minimalist :) |
| 15:07.13 | Bruners | http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/WoWScrnShot_081309_165629.jpg <- all my addon mess |
| 15:07.21 | digmouse | I equipped everything with addons :P |
| 15:07.28 | digmouse | because I dont write them |
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| 15:09.00 | kadrahil | 3.2.2 onyxia hardmode prediction: |
| 15:09.02 | kadrahil | MANY WHELPS |
| 15:09.31 | digmouse | no you got 3 whelps, engage her with the 3 alive :P |
| 15:09.43 | sb|work | CRYYYY |
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| 15:10.06 | sb|work | my internet is capped at 500kbit now :o |
| 15:10.11 | NivFreak | omg |
| 15:10.16 | NivFreak | seriously, onyxia? |
| 15:10.23 | sb|work | yup |
| 15:10.34 | yoshimo | we can guarantee players will get to experience the frightening horror of deep breaths once again. :D |
| 15:10.49 | NivFreak | I bet she deep breathes more |
| 15:10.52 | kadrahil | yoshimo: "Onyxia will now deep breathe more" |
| 15:11.18 | yoshimo | it will be her only abilitie ;) |
| 15:11.57 | NivFreak | I guess I should go get my t2 head again, and stick it in my bank ;) |
| 15:14.28 | yoshimo | dito |
| 15:16.01 | thul | http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00066/_lredmwu32_jpg_66541b.jpg <- who is that redhead from gi-joe-cobra? |
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| 15:19.34 | ramoz | Sienna Millar, no? |
| 15:21.10 | thul | ah, that might be it |
| 15:21.37 | thul | hmm, or no, she has black hair in the movie? |
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| 15:21.40 | thul | hmm, I'm confused |
| 15:21.48 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 15:23.08 | PProvost | ~seen ckknight |
| 15:23.10 | purl | ckknight is currently on #waruidev (1m 26s) #wowuidev (1m 26s) #wowace (1m 26s) #curseforge (1m 26s), last said: 'teh lix!'. |
| 15:23.46 | thul | he just joined PProvost :-P |
| 15:23.51 | PProvost | I know... :) |
| 15:24.11 | PProvost | purl should say "He noob... he just joined!" |
| 15:24.39 | digmouse | "I guarantee ya, it will be a blast" |
| 15:32.09 | Caleb| | ~wowalert |
| 15:32.10 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 16:12.45 | ramoz | thul: she wears a wig in that movie - thats what she said on topgear atleast |
| 16:12.50 | Camci | anyone knows any good program that lets you screenshot of what you see on win? that saves the file automaticly... without the need to paste and shit |
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| 16:14.31 | ramoz | jing perhaps? |
| 16:14.57 | sb|work | Camci: greenshot |
| 16:15.07 | sb|work | Camci: http://greenshot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:15.29 | Camci | do they both save the screenshot file automaticly as you take screenshots? |
| 16:15.44 | Camci | no a folder or where ever you choose? |
| 16:15.46 | sb|work | greenshot does, not sure if you need to select screen area first :/ |
| 16:15.48 | Camci | on* |
| 16:15.52 | sb|work | but you can specify some folder, yes |
| 16:16.11 | Camci | Ill try thanks :) |
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| 16:23.15 | thul | ramoz: ah, ok |
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| 16:39.49 | Wobin | I like jing |
| 16:40.18 | Wobin | you can upload directly to flickr or the like |
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| 17:10.26 | PProvost | svn up yet? |
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| 17:11.29 | Bruners | it has been down ? |
| 17:15.57 | vhaarr | it's up, but repo is still not operative |
| 17:16.17 | Bruners | Repo: ping |
| 17:16.17 | Repo | pong |
| 17:18.00 | kadrahil | Repo: poop |
| 17:18.13 | kadrahil | D: |
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| 17:25.57 | eblume | Torhal, ping? I'm wondering if you have a moment to answer a question about the OnEnter/OnLeave system for LibQTip |
| 17:26.18 | PProvost | I have been unable to update/commit since last night |
| 17:26.20 | PProvost | Will try again now |
| 17:26.32 | PProvost | Ah |
| 17:26.35 | PProvost | It is back apparently |
| 17:26.37 | eblume | Specifically, what are the arguments passed to these handlers? If I use the optional passed argument, how do I retrieve it in the handler? |
| 17:28.50 | Mikk | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/1705-yank-curse-forge-com-wow-add-ons-from-start-of-title/ <- vote all ye tabbed browsers!!!!!!!! |
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| 17:30.33 | Ackis | reponded Mikk |
| 17:32.35 | Mikk | Ackis: responded "Well put the categorization at the end of the title then. Having it at the beginning is no good." |
| 17:32.55 | Ackis | hey I voted for it :P |
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| 17:37.25 | PProvost | Mikk: voted. good call |
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| 17:56.27 | eblume | Does anyone have a moment to teach me how to pass arguments to OnEnter functions used for LibQTip? |
| 17:56.47 | eblume | I've been reading the revdeps and can't see how I'm doing it "wrong", but I keep getting "indexing nil" errors. |
| 17:58.54 | eblume | Here's the entire addon (it's quite small): http://pastebin.com/m66d8ccde |
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| 18:03.39 | Mikk | repo: ping |
| 18:03.39 | Repo | pong |
| 18:03.42 | Mikk | boggles |
| 18:04.10 | Mikk | he sure isn't saying anything! |
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| 18:17.31 | Pneumatus | bleh, is there a working version of utopia about? |
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| 18:31.27 | Funkeh` | curse client update needed every hour these days..? |
| 18:32.04 | durcyn | Pneumatus: svn head works fien |
| 18:32.07 | durcyn | fine even |
| 18:32.55 | Pneumatus | its not scanning talents, and im getting an error |
| 18:36.19 | eblume | Pneumatus, I'm using the release version. It doesn't scan, you're right, but after the first trash pull it seems to figure things out. |
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| 18:54.25 | Grum | Antiarc: commit stuff (Stan made me whine!) |
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| 19:33.00 | Axodious | does the infinite corrupter really need more info for littlewigs? |
| 19:33.11 | Axodious | actually |
| 19:33.12 | Axodious | says big wigs |
| 19:33.13 | Axodious | o_o |
| 19:33.15 | Funkeh` | no |
| 19:33.24 | Axodious | k |
| 19:33.28 | Funkeh` | he's tank n spank anyway |
| 19:33.35 | Funkeh` | nuke himw ithin seconds |
| 19:33.37 | Axodious | yeah was just wondering why it popped up |
| 19:33.45 | nevcairiel | people need info for everything :P |
| 19:35.46 | Torhal | eblume: ping |
| 19:36.17 | eblume | Torhal, thanks very much! |
| 19:36.41 | eblume | So did I explain my question well enough? |
| 19:37.30 | Torhal | eblume: function BabelFu_SelectLanguage(cell, index, button) |
| 19:37.38 | Torhal | Also: Why FuBar? |
| 19:38.38 | eblume | Yeah, it's a very old project of mine from before LDB. I'll rename it when it's ready. |
| 19:38.54 | eblume | cell, index, button... excellent, thanks! |
| 19:39.28 | Torhal | eblume: I only used "index" because you did in the original function. It can be anything, that's the argument portion. |
| 19:39.41 | eblume | http://pastebin.com/m5b96c028 |
| 19:39.48 | eblume | Right. |
| 19:39.52 | Torhal | And "button" would be "LeftButton", "RightButton", or "MiddleButton", whichever is passed from the mouse. |
| 19:40.20 | Torhal | Mmm, no |
| 19:40.33 | Torhal | You had it fine the other way, without a closure |
| 19:40.43 | Torhal | You just need to pass the function, and the arg to the function |
| 19:40.50 | eblume | How's that look, then? |
| 19:41.11 | Torhal | One sec |
| 19:45.12 | eblume | Yeah, I'm still a little lost |
| 19:45.12 | eblume | I guess the problem is that I'd like to keep BabelFu_SelectLanguage to only having the one integer argument. |
| 19:45.41 | Torhal | eblume: http://paste.wowace.com/957/ |
| 19:45.45 | Torhal | Why? |
| 19:46.13 | Torhal | And if that's the case, just make a wrapper function for it instead of creating a series of closures every time you make the tooltip. |
| 19:47.15 | Torhal | Every time you do function() DoStuffHere end you create an unnamed function that has to be garbage-collected |
| 19:48.45 | eblume | Well, the OnClick handler for the LDB dataobject calls BabelFu_SelectLanguage and doesn't know what a cell is. Plus, conceptually, a function that doesn't do much more than update two variables shouldn't really need to know anything about cells or buttons. |
| 19:49.15 | eblume | So, a "closure" is a unnamed function? Just to make sure I follow. |
| 19:49.36 | eblume | I think I will do the wrapper function. |
| 19:50.36 | Torhal | Yes, that's a closure |
| 19:50.49 | nevcairiel | technically a closure is a anonymous function that depends on local variables in the declaring scope (upvalues) |
| 19:50.51 | eblume | Interesting, I've never heard them called that before. |
| 19:50.51 | Torhal | And if you're doing it a lot you're just unnecessarily creating a bunch of memory usage |
| 19:51.05 | nevcairiel | there are many names for them |
| 19:51.11 | Torhal | WHat nevcairiel said |
| 19:51.11 | eblume | So when would be the proper time to use closures? |
| 19:51.19 | nevcairiel | lambda functions .. closures .. anonymous functions.. |
| 19:51.36 | Torhal | Not when you're doing something frequently |
| 19:51.42 | Torhal | As is the case in that code. |
| 19:52.05 | Torhal | One case is in a config options table |
| 19:52.08 | nevcairiel | functions are like tables, they produce a lot of garbage .. you should try to avoid them, if you can :) |
| 19:52.15 | Torhal | Like: get = function() Blah end, |
| 19:52.31 | Torhal | You're only doing that once, so it's fine. |
| 19:52.34 | eblume | Ahah! See, I'm taking my Lambda Calc course next year. |
| 19:52.53 | nevcairiel | they have a whole course about that? |
| 19:53.12 | eblume | It covers other topics as well, but it's a fairly large part of it. |
| 19:53.27 | eblume | Computational theory, stochastic processes, and lambda calculus |
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| 19:53.40 | eblume | more an "intro to advanced topics in computer science" course |
| 19:55.01 | nevcairiel | lambda calculus is much more advanced and theoretical then what i ever needed to think about =P |
| 19:55.35 | eblume | I wouldn't know, I haven't taken the intro course yet. ;-) |
| 19:56.01 | eblume | Anyway, thank you both very much! I'll just use the wrapper to avoid the closure |
| 19:56.39 | eblume | Torhal, I'll have to meditate on my garbage use again, I think. I've become fond of these anonymous functions... might have to re-evaluate. |
| 19:56.39 | vrak | hmm, anyone wanna recommend an alternative to regular buff icons (not ebb) ? |
| 19:56.49 | kadrahil | buffalo |
| 19:56.51 | nevcairiel | bison |
| 19:58.10 | dodga | Elk! |
| 19:58.14 | Torhal | eblume: Aye. |
| 19:59.31 | eblume | This gives me a fantastic idea for an addon called "Ungulate" |
| 19:59.34 | eblume | I have no idea what it would do. I guess it'd have to be buff-related. |
| 20:04.26 | eblume | Aw man. I guess Les Paul just died. |
| 20:05.23 | Hjalte | vrak: Using Bison as well. |
| 20:08.27 | nicoli_s | hes making guitars in heaven now |
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| 20:15.50 | nicoli_s | or hell, whatever |
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| 20:22.38 | steev | he's doing neither, he's just being wormfood. |
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| 20:57.18 | Zhinjio | any ACP users out there? I have a question on how to do somethign with it. |
| 20:58.35 | Baraius | I use it. I've never answered any questions about it. :-) |
| 20:59.01 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 20:59.14 | Zhinjio | there's quite a few LoD addons that I want to "force" to load |
| 20:59.18 | Zhinjio | is there a way to do that? |
| 20:59.42 | Baraius | They're just LoD or they're conditional load? |
| 20:59.57 | Zhinjio | I don't know how to do either. |
| 21:00.10 | Zhinjio | I don't use addon loader atm |
| 21:00.12 | Torhal | Modify their ToCs, write an addon that basically calls LoadAddon() on a list you make... |
| 21:00.13 | Zhinjio | just acp |
| 21:09.44 | SunTsu | Zhinjio: Couldn't you use AddonLoader for that? |
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| 21:19.47 | Kaelten | anyone here familar with xslt at all? |
| 21:21.29 | vhaarr | I've written a few xslt sheets but it was a long long time ago |
| 21:22.14 | nicoli_s | chad is kinda familiar kaeltan |
| 21:22.44 | yoshimo | addonprefixes are case-sensitive, arent they? |
| 21:23.01 | Groktar | uh, kinda Kaelten |
| 21:23.02 | Kaelten | nichdu: I've asked for his help and he got confused and ran off crying |
| 21:23.04 | Kaelten | er |
| 21:23.06 | Kaelten | nicoli_s |
| 21:23.18 | Groktar | but i don't think i made it very far |
| 21:23.20 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:23.22 | Groktar | what are you trying to do? |
| 21:23.41 | Kaelten | I have an xml document with a single element |
| 21:23.42 | nicoli_s | and next time you dont get my name right im coming to your house to slash your tires |
| 21:23.45 | Kaelten | <string> |
| 21:23.55 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: k, can I call you for a ride aftewords |
| 21:24.19 | Kaelten | and I'm trying to select the data in that string inside of an xslt |
| 21:24.49 | Kaelten | so my template tag looks like @"<xsl:template match='/'>" |
| 21:24.58 | Kaelten | and I've tried @"<xsl:value-of select='self'/>" |
| 21:25.03 | Kaelten | and @"<xsl:value-of select='string'/>" |
| 21:25.07 | Kaelten | and @"<xsl:value-of select='.'/>" |
| 21:25.14 | Kaelten | and @"<xsl:value-of select='/string'/>" |
| 21:25.22 | Kaelten | and others |
| 21:25.29 | Kaelten | but I always end up with an empty selection |
| 21:26.02 | Kaelten | Groktar: any ideas? |
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| 21:28.00 | Groktar | so your xml looks like <string>stuff</string> or <string stuff="stuff" /> |
| 21:28.02 | Groktar | ? |
| 21:29.58 | Kaelten | Groktar: <string xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/2003/10/Serialization/"><h2 id="w-version-1-1-7-8-4-2009">Version 1.1.7 8/4/2009</h2> |
| 21:30.02 | Kaelten | .... </string> |
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| 21:33.14 | Groktar | kk |
| 21:33.44 | Kaelten | don't think this is working |
| 21:35.14 | Kaelten | was hoping to do it via that to reduce |
| 21:35.19 | Kaelten | but I don't think it's going to work out |
| 21:35.55 | Kaelten | this xquery works |
| 21:35.55 | Kaelten | @"for $string in /string return data($string)" |
| 21:37.20 | Groktar | don't you have to do <xsl:template match="/string"> first? |
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| 21:42.23 | Pneumatus | anyone know of any free cd image burners for windows? |
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| 21:44.54 | Kaelten | yep Groktar: that worked doing string there instead of |
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| 21:45.03 | Kaelten | and then doing self later |
| 21:45.12 | Kaelten | however that didn't unescape the html for me |
| 21:45.18 | Kaelten | odly doing it the other way does :s |
| 21:45.45 | Kaelten | thanks for helping me get it working though |
| 21:45.48 | Groktar | <xsl:template match="/string"><xsl:value-of select="/"></xsl:template> |
| 21:46.11 | Groktar | what does that do for you? |
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| 21:46.50 | Kaelten | gives me escaped text |
| 21:47.54 | Kaelten | yeah for some reason that flowr statement I pasted unescapes it all for me too |
| 21:48.11 | Kaelten | but even doing <xsl:value-of select="data(/)"> doesn't do anything |
| 21:48.13 | Kaelten | well |
| 21:48.17 | Kaelten | doesn't unescape it |
| 21:50.48 | Bruners | anyone know the CVar for show item level? |
| 21:51.41 | Groktar | i can look it up |
| 21:54.06 | Bruners | it's ShowItemLevel |
| 21:54.07 | Bruners | :) |
| 21:54.55 | Groktar | i set turned it on |
| 21:55.01 | Groktar | and couldn't find it in config.wtf |
| 21:55.09 | Groktar | shouldn't it have been there? |
| 21:55.26 | Bruners | no idea where those are stored really |
| 21:55.47 | Bruners | thats why i asked :) |
| 21:56.47 | Groktar | it's in account/config-cache.wtf |
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| 21:59.30 | Bruners | hmm, if it has never been set, what will GetCVar("ShowItemLevel") return? would it still be 0 or nil |
| 22:00.49 | yoshimo | im looking for a bagaddon that allows me to filter items into virtual bags depending on their ilvl, does anyone know such an addon? |
| 22:03.26 | Groktar | 2 |
| 22:03.28 | Groktar | er |
| 22:03.29 | Groktar | 1 |
| 22:03.43 | Groktar | i turned it on and it's set to 1 in mine |
| 22:04.09 | Groktar | i assume it would be set to nil |
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| 22:05.26 | Groktar | checks |
| 22:06.33 | Groktar | /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetCVar("ShowItemLevel")); prints 0 into my chatframe... |
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| 22:11.35 | Bruners | oh well ill just put in an extra check for it |
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| 22:49.58 | Tinyboom | thanks Hjalte :) |
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| 23:07.15 | Shadowed | Shefki ping |
| 23:08.52 | Groktar | creeps up behind Shadowed |
| 23:10.24 | Shefki | Shadowed: pong |
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| 23:12.14 | Shadowed | When you have a few minutes Shefki, http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=285487#post285487 have enough done to write up what I'm thinking for APIs/events/comm format |
| 23:12.19 | Shadowed | more accurate than what I posted originally |
| 23:12.35 | Groktar | offers Shadowed a complimentary Ood |
| 23:18.05 | Torhal | Groktar: With, or without secondary brain? |
| 23:21.15 | Groktar | without, of course |
| 23:22.25 | Megalon | secondary? isn't that the one that comes after the first? |
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| 23:38.39 | Shadowed | huh there aren't that many actively maintained UFs are there |
| 23:41.08 | Shefki | There's more than you'd think actually. |
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| 23:41.38 | Shefki | Not sure how many of them have LHC support. Probably most. |
| 23:41.46 | Shadowed | well actively maintained |
| 23:42.05 | Shefki | I guess that depends upon your definition of actively maintained. |
| 23:42.16 | Shadowed | fair |
| 23:42.23 | Shefki | Would you consider AGUF actively maintained? I think it kinda teeters on the edge of that. |
| 23:42.28 | Shadowed | not really |
| 23:42.29 | Shefki | PB3 is that way now too. |
| 23:42.41 | Shadowed | the most that agUF has had done to it in the past 6 months is probably the few commits I did :< |
| 23:42.56 | Shefki | Shadowed: That's exactly what I meant. |
| 23:43.00 | Shadowed | true |
| 23:43.18 | Shadowed | PB, SUF, oUf, XPerl, agUF, STUF are UFs that have healcomm thought |
| 23:43.30 | Shefki | What about nUI's frames? |
| 23:43.41 | Shadowed | not listed |
| 23:43.59 | Shefki | You using curseforge/ace's reverse dependency thing? |
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| 23:44.07 | Shadowed | no the listing on the LHC page |
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