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00:51.40NeoTronlol at the person getting a Green proto drake on the PTR
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00:52.11HjalteIt's happening all the time. Sucks to be them, though.
00:52.21NeoTronI have two on live
00:52.28NeoTron(on two different characters)
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01:31.14Repo10ka_raid-tracker: 03Celess * r192 / (2 files in 1 directory): Tagging as 2.2.33
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02:27.26ckknightwhat's the point of doing anal [spell]?
02:28.02drweirdi think it has some sort of magical power that is greated than [Warp Slicer] was or [The Knicker]
02:28.08drweirdgreater*
02:31.12wallenMichael Jackson [For the Children]
02:33.46SqueeGbecause you can do amusing combinations i suppose
02:33.54SqueeGlike anal [pummel]
02:34.39SqueeGanal [curse of exhaustion] yada yada
02:34.42SqueeGahahahaha
02:34.47SqueeGniiiiight~
02:39.39Torhalckknight: Because people are idiots?
02:41.21Repo10arl: 03Ackis * r2183 AckisRecipeList.toc: Null commit to update localization application.
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03:22.43Repo10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm * r107 / (2 files in 2 directories): MorgDKP2
03:22.46Repo-added SKall option for % of member DKP to take on win (for Celebros)
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04:08.38Lukiantickles Zeksie
04:09.22LukianZeksie, is there a "lock frame" option for BuffTehRaid single buff frames?
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04:42.18Repo10volumizer: 03Torhal * r40 Volumizer.lua:
04:42.21RepoMade the panel draggable for the hell of it - doesn't save position.
04:42.24RepoClicking the LDB icon will now mute/unmute all sound.
04:44.03Repo10volumizer: 03Torhal 043.1.3-1.1.4 * r41 : Tagging as 3.1.3-1.1.4
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05:14.14Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.4.2_beta1 / (6 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] - In order to prevent accidental menu opening, the MUF window handle will only react when you release the mouse button.
05:14.19Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 042.4.2_beta1 * 950c589 /: [new tag] Tagging as 2.4.2_beta1
05:15.53pakozmm anyone have an HoN beta key?
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05:30.40RepoNew project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/pet-time-to-live/. PetTimeToLive. mitch0 (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
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05:49.32Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.4.2_beta1-1-gccf5c9a / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] - Added an option to disable the macro creation
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06:19.40Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.4.2_beta1-2-g7208f6e / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] - The same as the previous commit without the syntax error :-/
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06:47.00vithoshttp://i39.tinypic.com/ac98bq.jpg 2 achievements you probably don't see together often :D
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06:50.53Shefkivithos: You'd be surprised.
06:51.23vithosi wouldn't know actually, i've been 80 for a week. that's just what my friends said
06:51.29Megalonfirefighter + not so friendly fire
06:51.35Megalonwould be :D
06:52.23Shefkivithos: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Garrosh&cn=Woz&gn=Contempt
06:52.29ShefkiLevel 80: 06-26-2009
06:52.59vithoshaha
06:53.00ShefkiAntechamber: 07-01, Firefighter: 07-01
06:53.14ShefkiAnd he got more tonight he just hasn't logged yet.
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06:53.33vithosi hit 80 that same day
06:53.51vithoshttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Moonrunner&cn=Vith&gn=Silent+Resurgence
06:53.53ShefkiAll he's missing on the meta now is Ignis, Razorscale, Heartbreaker, Kologard and Auria.
06:54.05ShefkiBasically easy crap he just wasn't in on or we just didn't do this week.
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06:55.19vithosi need ignis, kologarn (it bugged and didn't give the achievement), vezex and yogg
06:57.28vithosi think maybe letting the second arm kill kologard broke it. or maybe it just broke for some other reason
06:57.55ShefkiNahh that fight just sometimes bugs for the achievement it's annoying stupid.
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06:59.28vithosyou should give woz some more gear imo
07:00.43vithosi already have 3x t8.5, 2x t8 and ilvl232 weapons
07:00.48vithosnever seen such loot luck
07:07.02mitch0does lua have integer types internally, or it always works with floats?
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07:10.00Shefkimitch0: http://www.lua.org/pil/2.3.html
07:12.10Repo10pet-time-to-live: 03mitch0 * r6 PetTimeToLive.lua: minor fixes
07:12.39mitch0shefki: thanks
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07:25.56Repo10libbabble-inventory-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 043.0-release26 * r94 : Weekly Tag - Week 26
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07:49.32Repo10rswapper3: 03x87bliss * r62 / (14 files in 3 directories):
07:49.35Repo-Added options to swap Off Hand weapons in GUI. This is useful for special cases involved Main Hand or Off Hand restricted weapons. Generally you don't need it.
07:49.38Repo-Completely rewrote GUI code to be more memory efficient, and easily expandable.
07:49.41Repo-Separated Data Broker code to its own file.
07:49.44Repo-Removed Dagger and Sword option from Data Broker menu. It's much easier to just use the GUI.
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07:54.23sb|workno Fisker today? yay...
07:54.28Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.4.2_beta1-3-ga517d2b DCR_init.lua: [+1 commit] - Hook on "MacroFrame_OnHide()" Blizzard function was not doing anything due to the way it's registered in Blizzard_MacroUI.xml. Now hooking "MacroPopupFrame:Hide()" instead.
08:01.43Repo10geargauge: 03Torhal 07master * beta7-10-g7719b30 GearGauge.lua: [+1 commit] Added Party and Raid scanning/display to list panel. Also added an "All" display option to easily switch back to showing the entire list.
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08:05.56copystringAce3 is having issues saving nil values? it doesn't seem to save nil values for me...
08:06.19Adirelle|workace3db you mean ? and how do you what to save nil values ?
08:06.28Repo10rswapper3: 03x87bliss * r63 RSwapper3.lua:
08:06.31Repo-Fixed occasional false "Could not find weapon" errors when zoning.
08:06.37ShefkiUmm the lack of the value is nil.
08:06.41ShefkiHow would you save nil?
08:07.07Elkanowell, maybe he tries to overwirite an AceDB default value with a nil value, which doesn't work iirc
08:07.50copystringlets say i have a table with 3 values 1,2 and 3 which are tables again. then i nil table 3 and it doesn't save it. every time i reload the ui it's back again
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08:08.32TorhalBack and populated, or just back?
08:09.01copystringit's back with all default values i defined
08:09.07Shefkicopystring: Did you set defaults for the 3rd value?
08:09.09TorhalBecause they're the defaults.
08:09.21Shefkinil means default.
08:09.25TorhalYou nil the table - it doesn't exist. AceDB says "Ok, lets populate with default values"
08:09.32copystring:s
08:09.42Elkanoyeah, change your code and set it to false instead
08:10.07copystringhm, okay. that should solve that issue.
08:11.28copystringi was quite sure that was working a while ago when i actually made the db stuff... anyway, easy to update
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08:19.03Repo10geargauge: 03Torhal 04beta8 * ff9f80f /: [new tag] Tagging as beta8.
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08:31.04Repo10squire: 03Adirelle * r84 Core.lua:
08:31.07RepoAdded some magic to reduce the chance of using the same mount twice in a row (may still happen though).
08:34.37Fiskersb|work
08:34.41Fiskeryou cannot escape me
08:35.09Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.4.2_beta1-4-g484d8b4 DCR_init.lua: [+1 commit] - Added Shaman's HEX spell to crowd control charmed players.
08:35.33Megalonnoone can escape failure itself
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08:38.52sb|workFisker: well, i'm here in germany, you are in some strange country up there, so you fail :p
08:40.39Fiskerwell actually you're trying to escape to sweden
08:41.03sb|workuhm, no
08:41.12Fiskeryes you are
08:41.13Fiskeralso
08:41.16Fiskergiev sc2 beta :(
08:41.18Fiskerstupid blizzard
08:45.24Repo10rswapper3: 03x87bliss * r64 GUI/WeaponFrame.lua:
08:45.27Repo-Added "Bag: " label to the bag buttons, to (hopefully) prevent confusion.
08:45.44Repo10rswapper3: 03x87bliss 04v3.1.3.9 * r65 : Tagging as v3.1.3.9
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08:47.08orionshockjnwhiteh: question: is it normal that tomtom dosn't really work when the minimap is hidden?
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08:54.28ArcharodimIs Marckdown supported by .docmeta?
08:57.37Arrowmastertextile and markdown are listed in the kb for markup types and work elsewhere
08:57.48Arrowmasteri would think they could be used in .docmeta
09:00.19sb|workGnarfoz: pre-ordered 100mbit yesterday :p
09:00.23sb|workwill be available in 2-3 months
09:01.04Archarodimok thanks, I'll try :)
09:01.17orionshocksb|work: you sicken me
09:03.34Repo10pet-time-to-live: 03mitch0 * r7 PetTimeToLive.lua: typo-swatting
09:04.36Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.4.2_beta1-6-g1b796ec / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
09:05.00Repo1b796ec: -Added .docmeta
09:05.00Repo5b33c85: - Doc update for Hex (shaman spell)
09:05.24mitch0is it worth throttling OnUpdate to like 20FPS if what I do in there is just one function call and a SetText() (and an if) ?
09:06.17Fiskerslaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout
09:06.22Fiskeri hate you sb|work
09:09.31orionshockmitch0: how often should this text be changing?
09:09.37ArcharodimArrowmaster: it does support markdown
09:10.18Archarodimbut how can I replace the main description? it doesn't work as expected
09:11.40ArrowmasterArcharodim: not sure what the page name needs to be
09:11.57Fiskerkisses Arrowmaster on the cheek
09:12.06Repo10pet-time-to-live: 03mitch0 * r8 Options.lua: some niceties in the options stuff
09:12.23mitch0orionshock: well, not that often. it's a countdown
09:12.43ArrowmasterArcharodim: try the name "Main" for the output page
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09:12.44orionshocku adding seconds or just min?
09:12.55mitch0when under say 5 secs, it has tenth-of-a-sec granuality
09:13.09orionshockArrowmaster: ask ckknight, he'd prolly know what the page name should be :)
09:13.10mitch0otherwise just secs
09:13.13Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.4.2_beta1-7-g01335db .docmeta: [+1 commit] - .docmeta try
09:13.30orionshockmitch0: then throddle it to seconds
09:14.13mitch0nah, seconds is too much even in the "early" stage
09:14.27orionshockevery 5 then?
09:15.05ArcharodimHmm the documentor is doing very strange things...
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09:16.12mitch0orionshock: I just hoped to avoid changing the throttling dynamically... but for < 5sec I need at least 20FPS update to make it accurate
09:16.44sb|workorionshock: what? :o
09:17.07orionshocksb|work: i dislike you. It's not hate... hate is a strong word..  
09:17.16sb|workhmm why? :(
09:17.19orionshocksb|work: but 100mb net connection is obseen
09:17.28orionshockfor personal use that is
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09:18.37ArrowmasterArcharodim: you are using output-directory on a single file
09:18.46sb|workorion: mh well its like 35 eur for 25mbit + free telephone or 50 eur for 100 mbit + telephone, so not that bad
09:18.49sb|workorionshock: even
09:19.07orionshocksb|work: changes nothing..
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09:21.59Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.4.2_beta1-8-gd8ae475 .docmeta: [+1 commit] - another try with .docmeta
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09:22.53ArrowmasterArcharodim: now its even worse
09:23.06ArrowmasterArcharodim: you shouldnt use output-directory at all unless you are using wildcards
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09:24.06ArrowmasterArcharodim: and thats not even a valid .docmeta
09:24.33ArcharodimIf I don't put output-directory somewhere, the hook fails
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09:24.55Arrowmasterthe hook is probably failing because you arent creating a proper .docmeta in the first place
09:25.16Arrowmasterlook at http://kb.wowace.com/projects/docmeta-file/ again
09:25.20Arrowmastersee the -'s
09:25.28Archarodimyes I just saw it
09:27.34Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.4.2_beta1-8-g2d82601 /: [forced -1 +1] - another try with .docmeta
09:28.58Repo10pet-time-to-live: 03mitch0 * r9 PetTimeToLive.lua: OnUpdate() throttling
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09:30.38Archarodimok it's less messy but it's like it only see one file out of three
09:30.40ArrowmasterArcharodim: its still only doing one page because you are just overwriting the entries in a single array in the yaml instead of creating multiple arrays, you need to add the -'s
09:36.31Repo10rswapper3: 03x87bliss 04v3.1.3.9 * r66 : WTF? v3.1.3.9 won't package.
09:36.43Repo10rswapper3: 03x87bliss 04v3.1.3.9 * r67 : Tagging as v3.1.3.9
09:37.13mitch0packager is taking a nap
09:37.17Arrowmasterx87bliss must not be in here
09:37.34Repo10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.4.2_beta1-9-g4a20109 .docmeta: [+1 commit] - .docmeta, this should do!
09:37.37Arrowmasterotherwise he would know that deleting a tag and recreating it will never get it packaged
09:38.19mitch0I'm having trouble with center-aligned text displays (a countdown). it jitters like crazy. are there any monospace fonts in wow?
09:38.36mitch0or any other trick to stop the jitter?
09:38.39ArcharodimThank you Arrowmaster for your help, it's ok now :)
09:39.02Arrowmastermitch0: theres no monospaced fonts
09:39.48mitch0any ideas then for fixing the jitter?
09:39.57Repo10rswapper3: 03x87bliss 04v3.1.3.9 * r68 : Tagging as v3.1.3.9
09:40.19mitch0it would probably suck less if it centered around the decimal point, but my guess is that's kinda hard to achieve
09:40.40Repo10rswapper3: 03x87bliss 04v3.1.3.9 * r69 : Tagging as v3.1.3.9
09:40.50mitch0(I'd need 3 FontStrings)
09:41.48mitch0oh well, I'll call the jitter "extra warning indicator" :)
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09:49.04mitch0fisker: your precious sc2 lan issue made it to /. if you need a new place to troll :)
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09:51.33vithosmitch0: one text field for before the decimal point and another for after :P
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09:53.45mitch0vithos: yeah, that's the cumbersome method... especially given that I need 3 formats: min:secs, secs, secs.tenths :(
09:54.30mitch0in any case, I'll just stop caring for teh jitter :)
09:55.01vithosyeah i'd just go for monospace font then or ignore it
09:58.07Fisker/. is shit mitch0
09:58.26mitch0<Fisker>Your mom is</Fisker>
09:58.59Fiskerno /.
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09:59.25sztanpetmitch0 you could add a monospace font from sharedmedia
09:59.41Arrowmastersharedmedia doesnt have any fonts
09:59.47mitch0that too
09:59.49sztanpetright
10:00.02mitch0and I bet I couldn't query if a font is monospace even if it had any
10:00.26Arrowmasteryou cant
10:00.38sztanpetyea but bundle one, make that the default and forget about it :D
10:00.47mitch0besides, I stopped caring about it 5 minutes ago :)
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10:10.43Fiskerslaps sztanpet around a bit with a large trout
10:11.08sztanpetbored huh
10:19.39Megalonsocalled fail-rage
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10:22.49harlmuch bettr.
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11:01.08Fiskerragemegalon
11:05.44Megalonbtw Fisker, what about your sc2 beta account?
11:06.17sb|workno sc2 for him
11:06.38Megalonso, more joy for me!
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11:09.39Fiskeri'll get beta before you
11:10.50harld'uh. never open a new window. never. ever. hear that. obey. *hits his firefox'es head with a pink plush bat* lol.
11:12.46HjalteThe static disruption on Steelbreaker, will the raid just have to spread out or should the person with it run away?
11:13.52waallenyou should have everyone bunching up in melee range with Steelbreaker apart for three people that will soak the static disruption
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11:14.42HjalteOh, you can do that? On 25-man?
11:15.04waallenyep
11:15.42waallenhunters are the most appropriate soakers, in case you don't have three fill the missing spot(s) with one or more locks
11:16.53HjalteSo they get 7k damage and then the debuff for 20 seconds, yeah?
11:17.30waallenyeah
11:18.01waallennow, I am not sure about this since I just either DPS or tank on that encounter but after they take the debuff they need to run in melee range themselves and hug the raid/steelbreaker for te duration of the debuff
11:18.03waallenthen go out again
11:18.27HjalteHmm, that could make sense. We don't want them to get the 7k damage again.
11:18.31Repo10epgploot2: 03felsir * r36 / (3 files in 1 directory): added announcement option in /raid (masterlooter setting)
11:18.32HjalteWhich will now be more.
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11:19.06Hjaltewaallen: Are you replacing the member running in, so that you always have 3 outside?
11:19.27waallenno, we aren't
11:19.47Fiskerslaps Megalon around a bit with a large trout
11:20.24waallenthey have to run back to position before that their debuff expires because I think that if they wait for it to be gone completely before they are ready to soak again, a static disruption will hit a random player in melee range
11:21.04Megalonbetas Fisker around a bit with a large SC2key
11:22.18Megalonthey don't need to run in melee range
11:22.30Megalonor did it get changed?
11:23.01Fiskerso Megalon >:3
11:23.13Fiskerwhy so beta?
11:23.32Megalontattoos Fisker a sc2betakey on his back of the head
11:23.34Megalontake that
11:24.05Fiskeruses mirrorhax
11:24.13FiskerI'll still get the beta before you
11:24.13Fiskerhoho
11:25.20Megalonhoho
11:25.21Fiskercan't be stopped
11:25.25Megalonstops Fisker
11:25.26Megalondone
11:25.41Fiskerstarts again
11:25.52Megalonturns Fisker by 180°
11:25.57Fiskerrewinds
11:26.10Megalonchanges Fisker's gearbox
11:26.17Hjaltewaallen: How long is the timer on heroic, for the tanks to die?
11:26.33Fiskerchanges the oil
11:26.39Megalon30seconds
11:27.16Megalongets rid of caramel-filled oil bottle
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11:27.34Fiskerhow will you be getting teh beta btw?
11:27.40FiskerBlizzcon key or something?
11:28.24Megalonthe stork will bring it!
11:32.45sztanpethttp://www.gomtv.net/classic/vod/230 that stork?
11:38.47sb|workhttp://www.thetransformers.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/article-0-04c44713000005dc-822_306x349.jpg - that stork :p
11:39.37Repo10epgploot2: 03felsir 04v2.0.10release * r37 : 2.0.10 release
11:39.40Repo- added announcement in /raid for need/greed results. The masterlooter can surpress this setting if bids are to be kept secret from the raiders.
11:42.42Repo10ace3: 03mikk * r810 AceDB-3.0/AceDB-3.0.lua: Docs: Add pointer to LibDualSpec
11:44.35Mikkand screw the beta, i'll take the stork
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11:47.05Funkeh`Mikk, What's that?
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11:48.08Megalonmy stork :(
11:49.17Mikksb|work: http://www.thetransformers.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/article-0-04c44713000005dc-822_306x349.jpg - that stork :p
11:49.32Mikk^ if that stork delivers an SC2 beta, ...  screw the beta!
11:49.42Mikker i mean i'd like to screw the stork
11:49.48Mikkmanages to confuse himself
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11:53.37Fiskermanages to get the beta before Megalon
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11:58.34mitch0packager! wake up!
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12:01.30Fiskerdo you want to play sc2 Megalon ?
12:02.37Megalonover lan?
12:02.39Megalon;(
12:02.52Fisker:(
12:05.50Groktarhuggles Fisker
12:08.20HjalteAnyone has a recommendation for a fun movie or tv-show I should watch? I need to laugh.
12:08.55mitch0any brittish series should do
12:09.04Elkanostart with what Wobin posted on #WoWUIDev ^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NI6iu7e91Y
12:09.52mitch0that's boring
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12:13.45HjalteIt's just silly men fighting :)
12:14.13hasteHjalte: black books!
12:14.54hastehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuX2UgYjtTE !
12:14.59Hjaltehaste: It looks interesting, at least from checking it out on IMDB:
12:15.13hasteor.. Red Dwarf :D
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12:15.42Arrowmasteri pulled out my B5 dvds the other day and have been watching them....
12:17.44MikkB5 loses somewhat in the rewatching :<
12:18.04Mikkunlike oh Braindead which only gets better
12:18.24Mikkor more to the point Bad Taste
12:20.13mitch0haste: thanks for the link
12:20.17vhaarrHjalte: Black Books is ze imba, and you can use warlocks with Nether Protection for soaking on Steelbreaker
12:20.26mitch0I know what I'll spend my amazon gift prices on ;)
12:20.42mitch0(if/when the reward program actually goes live :)
12:21.07Hjaltevhaarr: Do you know if they move in and out or just stand and take it? (3 people)
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12:21.16haste>:3
12:21.21vhaarrwe use 5 people, and they don't move
12:21.36vhaarrthey just spread out in a moon behind steelbreaker
12:22.30Groktarin av queue for 15 minutes :(
12:22.36Groktarhrm
12:22.43Groktardoes honor gear not require marks anymore?
12:23.22vhaarrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/alex_wild/3668703468/
12:23.33Groktarkewl
12:26.56Mikkwe stick at least one hunter out there with NR aura up
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12:28.12mitch0black books rocks
12:28.23Fiskeri hate you Megalon
12:29.10Megalonmutual it is
12:30.01Fiskerdon't be a jerk :(
12:32.04HjalteI'm just worried our tanks can't handle it. Steelbreaker will hit like a truck after the first two tanks :\
12:32.32vhaarrthey only tank for 25sec or so, remember
12:32.39Groktarthat's not usually what our problems are
12:32.41vhaarrlast stand lasts 20sec, most trinkets last 20sec
12:32.56Groktarusually screwed up transitions
12:32.56vhaarrshield wall is 12se
12:32.57vhaarrc
12:33.12Groktaror static disruption problems
12:33.37Groktarif you blow cds on fusion punch like you should
12:33.37Groktartanks won't die
12:33.43Groktarit's just getting everything else
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12:35.41HjalteI'll have to tank, and because of problems with my main PC, I raid with 1-2 fps (yes, really) in most 25-man fights. Sigh.
12:36.09HjalteUnless I can turn the camera away from the raid, then I get 4-5 fps.
12:36.17Megalondk?
12:36.22HjalteFeral druid
12:36.26thultanking with 1-2 fps is a bit useless.
12:36.32HjalteYes, it is.
12:36.32Megalonoh, dk can tank it with 0 fps i think :P
12:37.02Hjalte10-mans are much better, I rarely drop below 3 fps.
12:37.36PneumatusHjalte: 3rd tank will need pain suppression, wings, divine hymn etc for his fusion punches
12:38.10SunTsuthul: I used to tank TK with 3 fps..
12:38.29StanzillaIllidan Flames with 2fps!
12:39.57winkillerwe were measuring in seconds per frame, you peops with the fancy hardware
12:39.58thulI prefer 40fps++ :-P
12:40.52HjalteThey just called me today, my real computer is back tommorow. Raiding from a laptop is kind of bad, as I usually lead raids and Main Tank if our warrior isn't here.
12:44.09SunTsutanking with 3fps is great "Hey, you don't have to taunt mobs off me, I'm a tank, too!" "Sorry, I was playing blind, I just saw that the mob ran to the healer, so I taunted"
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13:02.39Fiskerslaps thul around a bit with a large trout
13:02.41Fiskersc2beta
13:03.43thulBETA?!
13:03.45thulNOW?!
13:03.46thulWHERE?!
13:03.46thuletc
13:03.53thultrouts Fisker with a large slap.
13:04.22Fiskerstop being mean to me
13:04.37thul:/
13:04.40thulI love you, you know that!
13:06.00Megalonlove-hate relationship in the works
13:06.12Fiskeri hate you too Megalon
13:06.52steevwut u say
13:07.12FiskerThe beta better be out tomorrow
13:07.13Fiskeror today
13:07.19steevnobeta
13:07.49Fiskeryesbeta
13:07.56Megalonnobetaforfiskerbeta
13:07.56Fiskeror i will hurt you steev
13:08.07Fiskeryesbetaforfiskernobetaformegalonbeta
13:08.28Fiskeryou got outplayed Megalon
13:08.35Megalonwhy all the hatred
13:10.30vithosanyone know how much mixology is getting buffed?
13:10.40Megalonyea, i was against the 'let fisker sometimes win'-clause in my 'keep fisker busy'-contract
13:10.57Megalonbut they said i only get the sc2beta key if that clause stays :<
13:10.57Fisker:o
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13:13.37Fiskeri wonder why the pre-beta client hasn't been leaked yet btw :o
13:13.43Megalontroll-rage just ramps up so quickly
13:13.53bluspacecowoh hai
13:14.04bluspacecowpre - beta  client fisker ?
13:14.16Fiskerpre - beta  client bluspacecow ?
13:14.29bluspacecow"Fisker: i wonder why the pre-beta client hasn't been leaked yet btw"
13:14.36Fiskeryes
13:14.54bluspacecowwhich ones a pre beta client of ?
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13:15.19steevwho says it hasn't leaked?
13:15.24steevmaybe you just don't know where to get it
13:15.29Fiskeri do
13:15.37Megalonand in his own little world
13:15.41Megalonfisker is always right
13:15.54Megalonemphasis on little :P
13:19.19steevanyone know any good guilds on Sen'jin aside from Premonition?
13:20.17thulI want a casual-guild on Turyaloyoooon
13:21.24steevi want a guild where i have a chance to progress
13:21.39mitch0progress is overrated
13:22.14steevim tired of being available for 3 raids, only going on 1 or 2, or only when they need a fill-in and getting the, everyone else already has this so feel free to take it
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13:23.05Pneumatusim fed up with summer afks
13:23.12steevbeen a member for over a month, and was basically told, unless one of the other dps dk's steps down as a raider, im not gonna be promoted to raider
13:24.01Pneumatuswhy would you even have been recruited :o
13:24.22steevi was "Friends&Family"
13:24.36Pneumatustime to look for a new guild then i guess
13:24.46steevapparently theres a 15 page long thread in the officers forum about whether or not i should become a member
13:25.34steevPneumatus: thus my previous question :-P
13:26.09Pneumatuscheck wowprogress, find a guild that has the kind of progress your looking for?
13:26.25steevPremonition, i just doubt i'm good enough for them :-P
13:26.26winkillerorionshock: Fisker is a troll. Wookies aren't Trolls
13:26.39orionshockLOL
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13:27.02orionshockso who's the Wookie?
13:27.48Pneumatusworld 3rd guild is probably has your sights set high
13:28.17Pneumatusso your choice would be Void/Tact for hardmode guilds it seems
13:28.25steevhrm
13:28.31steevactually
13:28.49steevi don't care about hardmode so much as actually f'n clearing ulduar before 3.2
13:28.56steev10 OR 25
13:29.15PneumatusProvidence and Grey Council at least then
13:29.32Pneumatusand loads of other guilds that just havnt killed vezax/yogg
13:30.32steevwe've killed vezax in 10
13:30.39steev25 we've gotten him to 35%
13:30.47steevbut yogg, no down
13:31.58HjalteYogg is easy on 10-man, just get a proper tank for P1 and people who understand tactics.
13:33.01steevproper tank?
13:33.54Pneumatusonce that's capable of tanking+moving at the same time
13:34.14steevthe one 10 team is really good, the team i lead is pretty much whoever is available, but we're not doing too bad, we've pushed mimiron to p3, and there are at least 3 of us who are alts
13:34.26Fiskervezax is eeeeeeeeeeeeeez with a death knight tank
13:34.36steevyes it is
13:34.43Pneumatuss/easy/trivial/
13:35.13Fiskers/trivial/your mom/
13:35.31p4avedi tank vezak on my warrior and we don't kite
13:35.37pentium166vezax is your mom with a death knight tank?
13:35.43p4avedjust sw than last stand/enraged regen/trinkets
13:35.43Pneumatuson 10man p4aved?
13:35.48p4aved25man
13:35.53Pneumatushardmode?
13:36.12p4avednot 25 man HM
13:36.31Fiskeroh yeah?
13:36.46p4avedpretty sure xav from premo tanks vezak hm
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13:40.47Fiskeri'm dying over here
13:41.31bluspacecow~beer Fisker
13:41.32purlACTION pours a litre of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for Fisker
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14:07.50steevhow do you get wowprogress to update a character?
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15:44.12bluspacecow?
15:44.17bluspacecowhow now brown cow
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15:50.21FiskerAnyone know if val'anyr can proc on judgement of light?
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16:30.45ckknightsylvanaar: ping
16:31.21nevcairielman i hate summer, its so damn hot
16:31.24durcynany SPELL_HEAL or SPELL_PERIODIC_HEAL that fires while the source has the blessing and the destination has the protection buff, afaik, fisker
16:31.28Stanzillaagrees
16:32.01nevcairieltalking about combatlog .. did anyone test if those heal absord events fire for priest shields etc?
16:32.07durcynhttp://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=78750  it's actually relatively cool here!
16:32.39nevcairielnot that i would know if 90F is hot
16:32.42nevcairielF is for silly people
16:32.43nevcairiel;)
16:33.05durcynyeah, well, if i could convince 300 million other silly people to use metric, i would've done it a long time ago
16:33.50ckknightI'd much prefer if we switched to Metric
16:33.55ckknightbut there's not a great business case for it
16:34.12durcynalso, the absorb thing seems to be for a new combat mechanic that requires the victim of some debuff to be healed for a certain amount or something unpleasant happens to them
16:34.24durcynckknight: there's not a business case for daylight savings either, yet here we are
16:34.25Zyndromethe imperial system is dumb!
16:34.40nevcairieldurcyn: actually dst has a business case
16:34.40ckknightdurcyn: actually there is, it's just a poor case.
16:36.16durcynI'll cut you both.
16:37.07nevcairielI don't like the concept either (granted, if we abolish the system, i would prefer to stay in the "summer time", rather the non-dst time, it fits me better :P)
16:37.13TorhalFisker: durcyn is moving in on your territory.
16:39.11durcynfisker's an impostor to the throne
16:39.53ckknightso how's everyone doing today?
16:40.11nevcairieli'm melting
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16:41.03ckknightI always suspected you of witchcraft, nevcairiel
16:46.02nicoli_sthats funny, i always suspected you of being racist towards witches ckknight
16:46.18nevcairielHe is
16:46.26ckknightI hate when people use the term "racist" for something that isn't a race
16:46.33durcynthat's pretty racist, ck
16:46.55ckknightand especially when I have so many anti-semetic rants stored up already anyway.
16:47.05nicoli_shey, witches are a race
16:47.08nicoli_sin some shitty mmo at least
16:47.21nicoli_sor rts
16:50.18Gnarfozwhat are semetes? ;p
16:50.46durcyndyslexic jews, Gnarfoz
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16:50.59Gnarfozprobably
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16:54.37Groktarpounces Gnarfoz
16:54.40thulhey, semites are far more than jews.
16:54.54Chromwellhi, i´ve a question regarding sold auction system messages... is it possible to process these messages to a self written addon to store the item which has been bought directly?
16:55.29Gnarfozthat should be possible
16:57.00Chromwellany clue what wow api call to look for this to play around a bit? i´m fairly new to addon coding :/
16:59.51Gnarfozprobably no api call, you want to listen for the CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM event
16:59.56Gnarfoz!api CHAT_MSG_
16:59.58lua_botFound 50 possible matches for 'CHAT_MSG_'.  Please be more specific
17:00.01Gnarfoz!api CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM
17:00.05lua_botCHAT_MSG_SYSTEM: Fires when you receive a system message, for example going or coming back from afk status. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM)
17:01.20Chromwellthe goal should be to craft the sold auctions, i´ve already made a addon that crafts the item which i send with a parameter, so when i get a list of sold auctions i think i have already done half the work :)
17:02.44Chromwellthanks, i´ll try to find more informations about this event calls and how this would fit in my addon.
17:10.25RepoNew announcement: http://www.wowace.com/announcements/author-store-is-launched/
17:11.46Wobinoh.
17:11.52WobinI like the 10k points reward
17:15.37ckknightyea, I'm gonna get 4 of those
17:15.38ckknight<.<
17:15.39ckknight>.>
17:15.44ckknightbut yea, real monies
17:19.49nicoli_snow if i can just get my points for curse profiler all will be in order....
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17:23.11Caleb|you get points for running curse profiler or what nicoli_s?
17:23.54Wobinnicoli_s wrote the curse profiler
17:24.10Caleb|haha ok :D
17:24.18Wobin(I'm guessing)
17:24.38Wobinand possibly doesn't get points awarded cause of weird distribution of the addon =P
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17:25.20ckknightwe have a blacklist of addons that don't get points, the curse profiler addons are on that blacklist.
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17:26.52Wobinsince it comes packaged with the CC, it's not really fair to include it  =)
17:27.15Wobinor rather, there's no good way of determining voluntary downloads
17:27.26Wobin(through the client)
17:27.33ckknightcorrect
17:27.36ckknightthat's why it's on a blacklist
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17:35.09nicoli_sitd be fair if i got like 1/4 of the points :P
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18:04.39durcyndon't you get a salary already
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18:38.37*** topic/#wowace by ckknight -> http://www.wowace.com | http://paste.wowace.com | http://lua.org | Curse Client: http://www.curse.com/client | http://wowace.com/a/author-store-is-launched | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23763 | Want your Username changed? http://www.wowace.com/request-name-change/
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18:40.56GnarfozI think I should start a list of things that took less time than the first Curse username change did
18:41.07Gnarfoz(like the Duke Nukem Forever list)
18:41.19nevcairielhah still didnt happen, eh?
18:41.25Brunershehe
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18:43.43NeoTronso
18:43.53NeoTronspeaking of odd shit - how can you make a movie about Asteroids?A
18:44.13sylvanaarckknight pong
18:44.30ckknightsylvanaar: check to see if you got emails for your amazon gift cards
18:44.50sylvanaaro.O yes i did
18:44.54ckknightk
18:45.02ckknightthe item codes are also visible on the site
18:46.16sylvanaarthats super awesome
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18:48.00ckknightyou know you want to do me a favor and make sure they work, right? ;-)
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18:48.20nevcairielneed a test subject for the paypal thing too? ;)
18:50.36GnarfozI volunteer, just add me 10k points and I'll test
18:50.45GnarfozOR change my user name, your choice
18:50.50Gnarfoz:D
18:51.21FiskerGnarfoz
18:51.22Fiskermy nemesis
18:51.32Gnarfozstar trek 10?
18:52.04ckknightnevcairiel: I don't handle those ones.
18:52.12Gnarfozhttp://www.etotheipiplusone.net/?p=363 < woot ;D
18:52.12ckknightnevcairiel: that's gotta be handled by the SF office
18:52.12nevcairieltoo bad
18:52.17ckknightyea
18:52.19nevcairielSF?
18:52.36GnarfozSanFrancisco
18:52.45nevcairielI guess that works
18:52.48Gnarfozplus space
18:56.28Fiskerno Gnarfoz
18:56.29Fiskermy nemesis
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18:59.54GnarfozFisker: can't have your nemesis all for yourself, I'm afraid
19:00.00sylvanaarckknight oh they worked, i put em in right away
19:00.07ckknightgreat.
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19:02.39sylvanaarBSG season 4.5 blu-ray ftw
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19:04.39Gnarfozthat can be reduced to: BSG ftw
19:04.48nevcairielseriously
19:07.08Camcianyone here experienced with joomla?
19:08.13nevcairieli wrote a plugin for it once, but i don't really know much else =P
19:08.15sylvanaaryes - bsg ftw - but you know they released the whole series on blu-ray now - I already own the whole thing on dvd - im so pissed
19:08.33nevcairielbuying series is so expensive =(
19:09.02sylvanaaryeah, I have bought it piecemeal over the years so - its not that bad
19:09.30sylvanaarbut you can buy the entire thing on blu-ray now - but its like 250
19:09.43Camcilol nevcairiel :p
19:09.55nevcairielplus i don't have a bluray player
19:13.56sylvanaarreally?
19:14.01sylvanaarno ps3?
19:14.04nevcairielno
19:14.08nevcairieli'm not into consoles
19:14.19Camcixbox > ps
19:14.25sylvanaari have both
19:14.27nevcairieli only ever had a SNES
19:14.33nevcairielback in the day
19:16.07sylvanaarwhen is the new soylent green ... ugh i mean andromeda strain coming out
19:16.24sylvanaarshould be soon I thought
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19:18.27nevcairielhuh?
19:18.35nevcairielwhat did i miss?
19:18.37nevcairielsomething new?
19:19.33sylvanaari saw a trailer for it at some point - said sometime in the summer
19:19.42sylvanaaranother remake
19:19.58sylvanaarbut i cant find anything about it on google
19:20.12Fiskerslaps sylvanaar around a bit with a large trout
19:20.24FiskerSir Gnarfoz
19:20.27Fiskersc2beta?
19:20.48GnarfozI'd expect no less from my squire, thanks
19:20.52Gnarfozyou know where to mail it?
19:22.58sylvanaari guess i must have been high
19:23.06ckknightFisker: it's pretty fun, right?
19:23.21sylvanaari think im going to see transformers
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19:25.03nevcairielsylvanaar: there was an andromeda strain mini-series in spring 2008, but thats all my googling turned up
19:25.20sylvanaaryeah - thats all i see too
19:25.30sylvanaarbut im really sure i saw a trailer for it
19:25.33sylvanaaroh well
19:25.47ckknightI saw that one
19:25.50sylvanaari totally loved that movie
19:25.54sylvanaarthe original
19:29.28Fiskernah Gnarfoz
19:29.30Fiskerand naw ckknight
19:29.49Fiskerthorim totally in the mountains'ed me
19:29.59nicoli_ssylvanaar dont go see transformers, its just gonna suck
19:30.22GnarfozFisker: he does that to us all the time
19:30.35sylvanaaris it? its got an 85% rating on movies.com
19:30.42sylvanaarstar trek got 91%
19:30.51sylvanaarand it was super
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19:32.13sylvanaarwell i'll tell you if its any good
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19:34.06Fiskerthis was the zillionth enchant roll i lost
19:34.14Fiskerfu you i want blade ward damnit
19:34.40Repo10pet-time-to-live: 03mitch0 * r12 / (2 files in 1 directory): doh, copy-waste cleanup
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19:38.25mitchnullany way to remove files from the Files view?
19:40.24steevsylvanaar: as long as you go in remembering its Transformers, and not some souped up f'n drama/chick/emo/horror flick, you shouldn't be disappointed
19:40.53steev"the story line sucked" dude, its transformers... "so? its supposed to..." ITS TRANSFORMERS
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19:42.33SunTsuWell, there's Megan Fox, what more do you need?
19:42.44steevMegan Fox naked
19:43.01SunTsugranted
19:43.09nicoli_ssylvanaar, check out the movie reviews on rottentomatoes.com for transformers
19:43.40nicoli_stakes everything that was bad about the first Transformers movie two years ago, and amplifies it to deafening proportions
19:43.54steevnicoli_s: it's transformers.
19:44.15NivFreakI'll watch it on cable
19:44.18nicoli_si would argue its nothing like transformers
19:44.33nicoli_scuz i just looked up my old transformers comics from back in the day and that shit is nothing alike
19:44.36steevsomeone always has to argue the incorrect side
19:44.44steev:-P
19:44.45nicoli_sWill insult your intelligence, hurt your eyes, and offend your sense of decency until you worry that your skull might explode while your brain trickles right out of your ears.
19:45.13steevtrying to figure out how megan fox can hurt anyone's eyes
19:45.18nicoli_sIf it sounds as though the script (credited to Ehren Kruger, Robert Orci, and Alex Kurtzman) was written in serial-novel form during an all-night mescaline bender, well, I have no evidence that it was not.
19:46.17nicoli_stheres alot more funnier than that
19:46.32steevReview written by McDonaldsMovieCritic
19:47.45nicoli_sim just saying, i like action movies and sci fi and transformers, but that crap michael bay made is like an abortion of my childhood
19:48.53nicoli_stransformers is not about people, its about awesome robots
19:49.14steevthe robots were not awesome?
19:49.14nicoli_sprime's speech at the end of the first one talking about liberty and shit made me want to cut my ears off
19:49.32steevdisclaimer: i haven't seen either
19:49.36nicoli_sthe first one was like 20% robot focused and 80% human drama relationship bullshit
19:50.21SunTsunicoli_s: If it was meant for transformers as audience it would have been the other way around ;)
19:50.43nicoli_shar de har har
19:53.50Lutin`So you guys know the how the Half Life 2 symbol is the Lambda?
19:54.00Lutin`Well I -just- figured out why
19:54.03Lutin`And I feel like an idiot
19:54.05Lutin`http://imgur.com/gallery/2q3YP
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19:57.07nicoli_swow, never thought of that
19:57.41nicoli_sthat yer arm lutin?
19:57.45nicoli_sdoing some experiments?
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20:00.35Lutin`No :P
20:02.36Camcibahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk7RGT5LbI4
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20:29.35aestilFisker: do you have beta for SC2?
20:30.27nicoli_snope
20:30.46ShefkiHe does he's just holding out on us.
20:31.20nicoli_sif only that were so :(
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20:34.42the-golemAfternoon.
20:40.31Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 * r2133 / (4 files in 2 directories): - Fix share Wishlist bugs
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20:58.20NivFreakhrm, isn't it generally bad form to fork an addon and keep the same name? :)
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21:02.01Repo10big-wigs: 03LCF_HeLL * r5743 Ulduar (2 files in 1 directory): BigWigs: ruRU update
21:03.13BrunersNivFreak: i would say yes
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21:11.32the-golem:-(
21:11.46the-golemprat cannot affect timestamps of combat log?
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21:20.43Repo10mill-help: 03Starinnia * r80 / (2 files in 2 directories): minor tweaks to upvalues
21:20.51Repo10sifter: 03Starinnia * r9 Sifter.lua: minor tweaks to upvalues
21:20.57steevthe-golem: afaik, the game itself does the logging
21:24.14the-golemi see :-(
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21:39.49Groktarpounces you
21:41.41ckknightnoes!
21:45.27Groktarclaws at ckknight's neck
21:46.04thulI want to call my arena team SS Wafle
21:50.07ckknightSchutzstaffel ftw, thul?
21:51.21sylvanaarok, i fell asleep in the transformers movie - so I dont know if it was good or not
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21:51.35nevcairiellol
21:51.46nevcairielthats time well spent
21:51.56sylvanaaryeah, was a nice nap
21:56.30FiskerGroktar
21:56.32Fiskersc2beeeeeeta
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21:56.38Fiskeri need it
21:56.56aestilyou need sc2 beta key?
21:57.01nicoli_sso you paid like 10 dollars for a nap?
21:57.43thulckknight: always
21:58.10Fiskerhttp://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/07/02/microsoft-pulls-sickening-internet-explorer-8-ads <-ARGUECAT DOT FUCKING JPG
21:59.49sylvanaaryeah
21:59.54sylvanaar10$ nap
22:00.21Fiskernaw aestil
22:00.24Fiskeri need sc2 beta
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22:01.41orionshockquestion; can you load an .M2 file via Addon?
22:02.30Fiskerdidn't ckknight do that once with a mod of ihs?
22:02.33Fiskerhis*
22:02.51ckknightyea, it got fucked every patch.
22:05.34orionshocklol
22:05.45tlundon google code, how do i add a label to a ticket?
22:06.08orionshockjust wondering b/c of the new shit storm in the US-UI forum.
22:06.20orionshockbitching about replacing the loginscreen with a blank file
22:06.42Fiskerwhy?
22:10.08orionshockFisker: because they can
22:11.00steevmeh
22:11.04steevyeah time to find a new guild
22:12.18steev"in order to avoid having too many raiders, we will only be promoting people to raider rank when a raider decides to step down"
22:12.39ckknighthmm
22:13.05steevdoesn't matter that i outdps raiders, doesn't matter that i learn the fights, doesn't matter that i lead a 10 man ulduar run on the off nights
22:13.20steevall that matters is that someone else got the rank already and they show up at least 2 nights a week
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22:25.01RepoNew project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/gridstatusignored/. GridStatusIgnored. Cyprias (Manager/Author). Approved by Nevcairiel.
22:25.06RepoNew project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/loan-officer/. Loan Officer. Sidrus (Manager/Author). Approved by Nevcairiel.
22:31.06Gnarfozsteev: EU? ;p
22:31.41Gnarfozalso, lol @ GridStatusIgnored
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22:33.02ckknightgoddamn, nevcairiel
22:33.11ckknightnow I gotta put that (gridstatusignored) into PitBull4
22:33.14ckknightI bet I can write a module for it.
22:33.30nevcairielHow is that my fault now? <.<
22:33.31ckknightalso: lulz
22:33.41ckknightI'm just joking
22:34.01nevcairielpeople apparently write grid modules for any shit they can come up with
22:35.52NivFreakso I was messing around with addon profiler last night, hoping to track down some of the addons abusing my frame rate
22:36.13NivFreakand PB4 and SBF won on most cpu used
22:36.20NivFreakbut 10-20x
22:36.21NivFreakby*
22:36.42NivFreakI'm surprised PB was up there, since I only use it for MTs :)
22:37.01NivFreakI think I might need to find a lighter weight solution since I'm not really getting much out of it
22:37.13nevcairielThat reminds me to release my MT frames..
22:37.24nevcairielI should finish them on the weekend
22:37.31NivFreakscreenshots or they don't exist
22:37.40NivFreak:)
22:37.58NivFreakI really don't need much out of my MT frames, I just don't like ora2's
22:38.17NivFreakI'm strange and like a portrait on them
22:38.19nevcairielit looks alot like the oRA2 MT frames because thats how i liked them =p
22:38.28nevcairieljust for oUF and with oRA3 support
22:38.52nevcairielor default blizz MTs if oRA3 is not found
22:39.03NivFreakora3 has MT support finally?
22:39.18nevcairielI dunno if the code for it is done yet
22:39.29nevcairielBut all it will ever do is allow sorting of the MTs you set via blizzard
22:40.14nevcairielI have been out of the loop the last weeks, so shrug
22:40.18nevcairielno idea how far it is now
22:40.19ckknightNivFreak: hmm, latest PB4?
22:40.42NivFreakckknight: latested tagged release
22:40.46NivFreaklatest*
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22:40.48ckknighthmm
22:41.02nevcairielits the evilness!
22:41.10nevcairiel;)
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22:41.38NivFreakI was tempted to disable the aura modules
22:41.41nevcairielman its too hot to sleep but i'm too tired to do something productive .. so i'm bored <.<
22:41.50NivFreakand see if that helped
22:42.13NivFreakI'm reminded of this because someone was just sharing thier profiling results in ej
22:43.35NivFreak< chaud> oUF P3lim has 176kb
22:43.36NivFreak< chaud> and oUF perfect has 192
22:43.36NivFreak< chaud> pb4 has 244
22:44.02NivFreakI wish had brough my profile caps to work with me to share
22:44.33nevcairielhe actually goes through all the trouble to compare static memory while his system probably sits there with 4gigs? =P
22:44.53NivFreakyea, who cares :)
22:45.29NivFreakthat was garbage iirc
22:46.38NivFreakAntiarc: didn't I see you assert some sort of specific relationship between cpu/sec and fps?
22:48.04NivFreakanyway, I had some luck pulling out addons that were hurting me
22:48.16NivFreakmost of them were apparently related to shoving info into tooltips
22:48.35NivFreakand cowtip itself seemed to be using a fair amount of cpu
22:48.43nevcairielalways has
22:48.52NivFreakI'm going to try some alternatives
22:48.55NivFreakhave any good suggestions?
22:49.18nevcairielI still use TinyTip .. i don't have big requirements on that .. better positioning and some more colors is good for me
22:49.30NivFreakI like seeing a few extra bits of info
22:49.37NivFreaklike thier target, gtag on a player etc
22:49.43NivFreaknothing crazy like mana bars
22:49.59NivFreakI think I was using tinytip in TBC, before switching to cowtip
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22:50.37NivFreaklast updated 5 months ago eh
22:50.49nevcairielstill works
22:50.52nevcairiel:)
22:51.15NivFreakI just always worry if it's going to get updates later :)
22:51.44nevcairielI don't even use the wrapper addon "TinyTip" .. i just have TTBasic and TTPositioning and did the config in the lua file that came with it =P
22:51.48GnarfozI just need on-cursor positioning that isn't broken
22:51.53Gnarfozplus target
22:51.59Gnarfozand... instant hide on EVERYTHING.
22:52.08Gnarfozfade out is annoying as hell :D
22:52.43NivFreakagreed
22:52.51NivFreakbut honestly, I can't stand the tooltip on my pointer most of the time
22:52.55GnarfozNivFreak: which addons did you lose that reduced cpu usage noticably?
22:53.02Gnarfoznoticeably?
22:53.11NivFreakwhat was it, baggins_forever or something?
22:53.12NivFreakcowtip
22:53.25NivFreakauctioneer's informant/stubby iirc
22:53.33nevcairielinformant is evil
22:53.34NivFreakI have caps at home of the profiles so I could review them later
22:53.35Gnarfozbaggins_forever? sounds like crazy bugginess right there
22:53.45NivFreakI was doing some debugging while MTing
22:53.47NivFreakso it's rough :P
22:53.51Gnarfozheh
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22:54.10GnarfozI just run a full 25man night with cpu profiling on and peek at it some times
22:54.14NivFreakluckily, addon profiler w/ cpu profiling on is still not so heavy that I was able to do my job
22:54.16Gnarfozand take screenshots afterwards
22:54.18NivFreakbut I was at 5fps
22:54.29Gnarfozwhich profiler do you use, exactly?
22:54.33NivFreakaddon profiler
22:54.38NivFreakshadowed's
22:54.46Gnarfozah, Ressource Tools?
22:54.55Gnarfozthat's his, IIRC
22:55.04NivFreakhttp://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/addon-profiler.aspx
22:55.09Gnarfozor did he write YAAP (yet another addon profiler) :D
22:55.15NivFreakthe later
22:55.18NivFreakafaik
22:55.54Gnarfozscreenshot looks very similar to RT, but is different, so yeah, rewrite probably
22:56.18NivFreakI get the impression that's what he mostly does :)
22:56.20Gnarfozis the window movable? (lol)
22:56.29NivFreakyes
22:56.31Gnarfozthat so annoys the hell out of me with RT ;p
22:56.33NivFreakand you can hide it
22:56.45NivFreakso I just set it to profile for a couple mins, minimize it
22:56.54Gnarfozyeah, RT doesn't need to be in foreground to do it's thang, either
22:56.56NivFreakthen after the boss is dead, I pop it back up and take a look
22:57.03GnarfozRT does namespace based profiling and event based, too
22:57.18NivFreakI've just been struggling for a couple months with performance problems
22:57.31Gnarfozactually, event based has been broken for a while, and he said he doesn't use it so it's gonna be a while before that's gets fixed, if at all
22:57.31NivFreakI have a relatively high end machine, and I get 100+fps... until the pull
22:57.35NivFreakthen I'm 15fps or lower
22:57.39Gnarfozabout the same here.
22:57.49GnarfozI should be getting way better FPS
22:58.20Gnarfozpeople with half the cpu/gpu/ram (each! :P) in my raid can play
22:58.20NivFreakI have a 3ghz i7, 6G of high performance corsair ram, GTX 285, and intel x25m SSD
22:58.28Gnarfozwoot, moneh.
22:58.29NivFreakso I have a hard time blaming hardware
22:59.32Gnarfozerm yeah, anyway mine's not quite that recent, but E6750 (2.66ghz c2d), 8800 gtx, 4gb (hey, corsair, too! <3) ddr2-800 and HDD really doesn't come into it
23:00.03Gnarfozshould still be able to run wow at 1680x1050, without AA, maxed out. wow is just too old to not run at max settings on this. :P
23:00.07Gnarfozhowever.
23:00.09Gnarfozit doesn't. :D
23:00.27NivFreakI turn shadows off
23:00.30Gnarfozyep.
23:00.33NivFreakwell
23:00.39NivFreakI guess I leave them on 1 notch
23:00.42NivFreakI do run at a high rez
23:00.44GnarfozI'm still running pb3 though, and it tops CPU usage easily
23:00.47NivFreak1920x1200
23:00.54NivFreakyea, that's why I moved to pb4
23:00.57nevcairielGnarfoz: that sounds like my comp, except that i run a 8800 gts .. and i never had any fps issues at all
23:01.00NivFreakthat and the random rock errors from pb3
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23:01.28nevcairiel(with all maxxed, shadows off, even soem AA on)
23:01.35NivFreakI run 1xaa
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23:01.42Gnarfozgot shadowed's UFs installed not but haven't found the motivation to replicate my (not really complicated, but I'm so damn used to it, I want to exactly mirror it :P) layout, yet
23:01.50NivFreakso yea, I'm struggling to figure out what's up
23:02.00Gnarfoznevcairiel: probably running less shitty addons than I am :\
23:02.00nevcairielI exactly mirrored my previous layout into oUF =P
23:02.01NivFreakI was pushing ~25-30fps after disabling some addons abusing my CPU
23:02.07NivFreakbut still, it seems like I should not have this problem
23:02.33Gnarfoznevcairiel: oh god don't even start on oUF, when I'm too lazy to do it with Shadowed's UF, I doubt I'll ever touch oUF seriously
23:02.40nevcairiel:D
23:02.47nevcairielI dunno, some day i was just motivated
23:02.56nevcairielI wanted to change something in my layout
23:02.57Gnarfozthat rare occurence!
23:02.58nevcairielbut couldnt
23:02.58AeyanYeah, I avoided oUF like the plague
23:03.02Aeyanand then I got bored
23:03.20nevcairielSo because i really wanted that thing changed, i wrote it in oUF :D
23:03.35AeyanNow I move and size things by pixels
23:03.40Gnarfozthe concept of saving cpu usage by just making it only hard-code configurable is kind of weak, too, imho ;p
23:03.43Aeyanand happiness is pixel perfect
23:03.57nevcairielGnarfoz: i don't have to configure it =)
23:04.12Gnarfozright
23:04.13nevcairielI never released it, so other people don't have to either!
23:04.16Gnarfozyou know what I meant :D
23:04.34NivFreak@project oUF
23:04.35RepoNivFreak: No project found that matches 'ouf'
23:04.38GnarfozNivFreak: wowi
23:04.46NivFreakgah
23:04.53Aeyanhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9994-oUF.html
23:04.53NivFreakI hate this divide
23:04.55nevcairielI dunno, i'm a CLI person, and a developer, i actually prefer changing a variable in a file then a fancy UI
23:05.57Gnarfoznevcairiel: true enough, and I touch the pb3 config once in 3 months or so, but the intitial setup is just too much hassle for a lazy bum like me
23:06.21Gnarfoz(even though I do like things as perfect as they can be. it's hard to combine that with laziness, sometimes)
23:06.25nevcairielI have days were OCD > lazyness
23:06.32nevcairiel;)
23:06.33Gnarfozhehe
23:06.37Gnarfozanyway:
23:07.00Gnarfozwhat still confuses me, and I'll never get an answer because I don't have a US account to post on the UI forums:
23:07.14durcynit's not OCD, it's CDO, the letters have to be arranged alphabetically!
23:07.14Gnarfozwhat the hell was going on in patch 3.1.1
23:07.37nevcairielregarding what, Gnarfoz?
23:07.44Gnarfozpatch 3.1.1 (which was only live for a week, being replaced the week after)
23:07.54Gnarfozhad so much better performance than both 3.1.0 and 3.1.3
23:08.04Gnarfoz(or .2, was there a 3.1.2? I don't recall right now)
23:08.17nevcairiel3.1.1 came one week after 3.1.0
23:08.25Gnarfozit was a day/night difference for me, and for those poor fellas with crappy computers
23:08.29nevcairielnot sure how long it was out
23:08.47Gnarfozit should be 3.1.1, I think
23:09.09Gnarfozbecause we were already into ulduar, then that patch hit, and then the next one came
23:09.23Gnarfozand seriously, it was so much better, I don't know how or why
23:09.34Gnarfoz25man felt like 10man
23:09.36nevcairielNot like they would answer that question in any useful way, even if you could ask
23:09.41Gnarfozyeah, probably.
23:10.11Gnarfozbut there's this spark of hope that they'd go and look "huh what was going on there, this sounds good if we can do it on purpose" ;P
23:10.21nevcairielheh
23:10.38Gnarfozour (best, actually) mage plays on some outdated pentium M laptop
23:11.11Gnarfozand regularily has like 5fps in boss fights (topping dps all the while, not failing shit once, either, I just don't know how he does it), went up to 15fps or so
23:12.17GnarfozI guess the best answer I'd get would be "did you make sure to check the "Load out of date addons" checkbox?"
23:12.46Gnarfozno shit, I'd have noticed if 2/3 of my UI was missing and that would have been the reason for the performance gain ;P
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23:16.26Lutin`Gnarfoz: Well see the problem was was that patch 3.1.1 introduced a slight problem
23:16.38Lutin`The ability to distort time-space
23:16.55Gnarfoz/cast DistortTimeAndSpace?
23:16.59Lutin`Now on a small level, say 100 players, this wouldn't be a problem
23:17.19Lutin`But they discovered that with the large number of players, they could very well destroy the world
23:17.23Lutin`of warcraft
23:17.45Lutin`That ability was removed in patch 3.1.2
23:18.18Lutin`And there was a 3.1.2
23:18.22Lutin`It was 3.1.2.9901
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23:25.15Gnarfozhowever, it can only have been 3.1.0 itself, then
23:25.42Gnarfozbecause this era of good performance (and possible destruction of the world... of warcraft) lasted only a week
23:31.52Ghanis there a way to actively "destroy" frames that are stored in an array, or should i just hide it, remove it from the array and hope that at some point it will be garbage-collected?
23:32.07Gnarfozframes are never GC'd
23:32.53Ghanso what to do with them?
23:33.01Gnarfozyou can remove all references, unregister it from all events, etc., but that doesn't change that fact
23:33.31Gnarfozrecycle them, or don't stop needing them
23:34.16Ghanbut... but.... I'll have to invest time to do that.... it's soooooo neat that way
23:34.17Ghan:/
23:34.39nevcairielHow many frames would you create that end up as garbage?
23:34.41nevcairielalot?
23:35.01Ghandepends on what alot are
23:35.06Ghan~1 per 20 seconds
23:35.30GhanI can recycle them, I just thought you could get rid of them somehow
23:35.36nevcairielthats pretty much alot
23:36.55Ghanwell... I'll go ahead and recycle a bit then - thanks for your help
23:38.52Gnarfozspend some of the time implementing the recycling figuring out if you really need the frames ;)
23:40.21GhanI guess I don't, yet I also guess I don't know another way to do what I want - my lua knowlage is rather limited.
23:41.09GhanBut 6-10 frames that get recycled won't hurt too much
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23:54.01Gnarfozweird
23:54.14GnarfozCurseClient 3 detects my installed version of Skada as "dev"
23:54.23GnarfozCurseClient 4 as "up to date"
23:54.36Gnarfoz(and I don't recall modifying it)
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23:55.21Gnarfoz... refreshing for the 3rd time made cc3 recognize it
23:55.24Gnarfozwhatever.
23:55.51Gnarfozbbbbtw
23:56.03Gnarfozthat TweetCraft client someone linked earlier?
23:56.15Gnarfozthat's a WPF app and it has smooth borders ;o
23:56.22nevcairielso?
23:56.25nevcairielWPF is powerful stuff
23:56.43Gnarfozwell, CC4's borders are ugleh ;\
23:56.54nevcairielmaybe someone failed at WPF
23:57.01Gnarfozas is the weird resizing, but my ticket was marked invalid on the latter
23:57.07Gnarfoznot sure I actually opened one on the former
23:57.16nevcairielWPF was initially released with Vista, so it better do the proper vista styling ;)
23:57.38Gnarfozwhat's that supposed to mean?
23:57.49nevcairieleverything has round corners <-<
23:57.56nevcairieland smooth borders
23:58.08Gnarfozwell, they chose to make it look like a os x app
23:58.18nevcairieli never understood that
23:58.20Gnarfozwhich of course looks totally out of place on any windows version
23:58.31Gnarfoz+ it uses vista glyphs for min/max/close
23:58.34nevcairiel"Hey we'll write native clients for win and osx, but we made the win client look like osx"
23:58.49nevcairielwtf is wrong with that dev :P
23:59.12GnarfozI'm not sure, but how it looks is a rather small part, as long as it works and is usable
23:59.30Gnarfozdiminshes the overall experience, though
23:59.40nevcairielmeh 3.0 worked and was usable for me
23:59.43Gnarfozindeed
23:59.45Gnarfozjust slow.
23:59.50nevcairieli guess
23:59.53Stanzillanevcairiel: it looks like itunes :P
23:59.55Gnarfozjust like Git Cola's insistence to do stuff on mouse down
23:59.59Gnarfozinstead of mouseup

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