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00:01.40kadrahilckknight: well, now the splash screen is behaving differently, it's showing up on ONLY the left display
00:05.02ckknightlulz
00:05.05ckknightI'm not the dev, so you know
00:06.06kadrahilckknight: ah, ok
00:06.14Torhalckknight: Shh. You can pretend!
00:06.17ckknightlulz
00:11.35Pneumatusi just want changelogs on the 4.0 client
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00:15.18Pneumatuschangelogs FOR the 4.0 client would be nice too :)
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00:16.23TorhalPneumatus: "Changed all WoTLK content to be easier than Karazhan was post-WoTLK. Added custom dance moves."
00:17.40Megalon"Added pay-per-genderchange, pay-per-classchange and pay-per-factionchange services, only now"
00:18.16Pneumatuswhich reminds me, anyone know if there's much (or any) arena skirmish action on the EU ptrs?
00:18.23Torhal"It is now possible to change your keyboard, monitor, and processor in-game."
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00:36.42durcynthe gender changes are moving to a $25 per testicle or breast, i hear
00:37.20Repo10lib-st: 03ddumont * r92 Core.lua:
00:37.23Repoif no args or colorargs, then pass row as an arg to value or color function.
00:37.25ulicCan you get one of each?
00:38.02ckknighthttp://www.break.com/usercontent/2007/5/Westboro-God-Hates-The-World-Music-Video-292196.html
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01:07.34ColinTI'm insulted to see an upside down canadian flag in the background
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01:43.50Repo10little-wigs-tbc: 03ananhaid * r11 / (2 files in 2 directories): LittleWigs The Burning Crusade:
01:43.53Repo- zhCN/zhTW update.
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02:05.23Repo10lib-st: 03ddumont * r93 Core.lua:
02:05.26Repoif no args or colorargs, then pass row as an arg to value or color function.   (applies to value as well)
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02:42.43ckknighthow does one pronounce "Auchindoun"?
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02:43.50Zhinjiogood evening
02:44.49p4avedah shee don
02:47.08ckknighthmm
02:47.12ckknighthttp://www.chiaobama.com/
02:52.08GnarfozI'd say "as it's spelled" but that doesn't tell you anything :D
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03:03.22Repo10fu-bar_raid-save-fu: 03jokeyrhyme * r62 .hgtags: Added tag v2.2.2 for changeset f67f6b3f310c
03:06.47Fiskerit's awesome btw
03:06.52FiskerBlizzard took a cup of conistency
03:07.15Gnarfoznaw, just because of the high profile of the matter ;o
03:08.39Fiskernaw
03:08.59Fiskerbecause even shitty retards noone gives a shit about got banned for exploiting FL
03:10.42Repo10lib-st: 03ddumont * r94 Core.lua:
03:10.57Reporemove frames from args passed as default to color and value functions.
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03:11.12Repo10sdkp: 03ddumont * r131 sdkp.lua: update format of sdkpdata.lua
03:13.19robotuschFisker you bastard
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03:18.05Fiskeri hate you Gnarfoz
03:19.08Fiskergentlemen
03:19.13Fiskermsn robotusch
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03:43.27Speeddymonany admins alive?
03:44.04Speeddymoni'd like to get my project fixed.... QQ
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04:16.38Lutin`Does anyone who is handy with Pitbull happen to be around?
04:18.05Stanzillapoints at ckknight
04:18.38ShefkiYes.
04:18.42Lutin`I'm just wondering if it's possible to overlay two bars on top of each other
04:18.47Lutin`Without having to code a module
04:19.00ShefkiNope.
04:19.10ShefkiWhy would you want to do that?
04:19.10Lutin`Not in 3 or 4?
04:19.12Lutin`Dang
04:19.23Lutin`Just aesthetics as far as portait + health bar
04:19.40ShefkiOhh well Portrait is kinda a special case.
04:20.02ShefkiIt's not a bar, it's an indicator.
04:20.08Lutin`Well
04:20.10ShefkiYou can certainly put bars over it.
04:20.14Lutin`To shape it the way I want it has to be a bar
04:20.27ShefkiI think you just want control over sizing.
04:20.40Lutin`Can you resize the portrait?
04:20.55Lutin`As an indicator?
04:21.51Lutin`It doesn't appear I can
04:22.04ShefkiYou can't.
04:22.12Lutin`Hrmm
04:22.12ShefkiThere's a ticket to allow you to do that but haven't gotten to it.
04:22.23Lutin`I'll check it out
04:22.34Lutin`Never messed with WoW Lua, but might as well :P
04:22.39ShefkiPortraits need some work but they're a real pain.
04:22.46ShefkiBecuase the model frame stuff sucks.
04:22.50Lutin`Yarr
04:23.20Lutin`Oh
04:23.22Lutin`Well
04:23.27Lutin`It would be a hacky fix
04:23.37Lutin`But allowing spacing to be set per bar?
04:24.05ShefkiGonna be honest here.  The layout engine is not the part of the code I know the most about.
04:24.12ShefkiI need to really get into it and work on it.
04:24.15ShefkiBut I haven't much.
04:24.26ShefkiSo it's hard to say what is and isn't possible.
04:25.00Lutin`I'd probably be better off just writing my own using oUF or something :P
04:25.15Lutin`curses his laziness
04:27.25ShefkiYou know the best thing you can do is show what you want to do with a mockup.
04:28.09ShefkiIf you do it on the forums sometimes people come up with ways to do things that I don't even realize you can get away with.
04:28.19ShefkiI know you can do some pretty funky things by typing settings in the sliders directly.
04:28.50ShefkiAnd if not we can figure out how to do what youw ant with changes to the code.
04:28.57ShefkiNot gonna promise that it'll happen tomorrow.
04:29.13ShefkiBut layout stuff is definately a situation.
04:33.56Lutin`Hrmm
04:34.09Lutin`Shefki: Simple question
04:34.16Lutin`What does Angle() do? :/
04:34.50Lutin`I don't see in in the WoW API or in the Pitbull API
04:34.56Lutin`Unless I'm blind
04:35.16Lutin`And I'm pretty dang sure it isn't normally in Lua
04:35.37Speeddymoni just checked if it was in standard lua, doesn't appear to be :-)
04:35.49Lutin`Alright, that's comforting :]
04:39.04Lutin`huh
04:39.17Lutin`You can't directly search pages on wowace?
04:39.24ShefkiLutin`: http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/pages/lua-texts/
04:40.03ShefkiThe LuaText stuff isn't in the PitBull API becuase it's really not relevent to module authors which is who the API stuff is for.
04:41.05Lutin`oic
04:41.06Lutin`:P
04:41.14Lutin`fells slow
04:41.17Lutin`feels*
04:41.18Lutin`>_>
04:42.48ShefkiLutin`: In retrospect I wish I hadn't included Angle at all.
04:42.53ShefkiOr Paren
04:43.15ShefkiBecause it's pretty useless because of the way Lua handles lists returned in functions.
04:45.03Lutin`Well see
04:45.34Lutin`Me being from using lua for more in depth gaming stuff ( Garry's Mod ) I immediately thought angle was like
04:45.41Lutin`pitch,yaw,roll
04:45.51Lutin`Especially when I saw %s%s%s
04:46.00Lutin`But the context would not have made any sense at all
04:46.33ShefkiIt's largely duplicatiing a DogTag thingy
04:47.14Lutin`I've never used Pitbull before 4 so :P
04:47.44Lutin`People keep being like USE XPERL, and they don't realize what they loose with that :P
04:48.25Speeddy|A|what do you lose with xperl
04:48.27Speeddy|A|?
04:48.41Stanzillataste for design :P
04:48.55Lutin`QFT
04:49.46Speeddy|A|hm .. i like xperl tho im open to other suggestions (i used aguf the last time i played wow, just happened to get xperl this time and stuck with it)
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04:51.14quiescensyeah
04:51.37Lutin`Well, I might not even use Pitbull
04:51.41quiescensit becomes a matter of what you get used to
04:51.43quiescensnono
04:51.49Lutin`I just like to have a certain degree of control
04:52.07quiescensit takes too much effort to try something different
04:52.12Lutin`Well
04:52.24Lutin`Not for me
04:52.41Lutin`Cause I haven't really used anything besides standard blizzard frames
04:52.52Lutin`And right now I'm just trying to find something different
04:53.10quiescenswell I mean, once you pick one and use it for a while
04:53.22quiescensI would imagine most people tend to stick with whatever they pick after that
04:53.29Lutin`Well yeah
04:53.31quiescensand only change if it somehow breaks
04:53.39Lutin`Same reason I wish I hadn't gotten used to Carbonite
04:53.50Lutin`Cause now I can't use anything else due to the map Carbonite has
04:54.01Lutin`I keep trying to drag the blizzard map :P
04:55.50Lutin`Hrmm
04:56.17Lutin`Is the only control over color you have with text?
04:56.17Lutin`Or can I dynamically control bar color?
04:58.06TorhalLutin`: Try Cartographer3.
05:00.52Fiskerfuck you blizzard :(
05:01.06Fiskerthey put an emblem of triumph requirement on items now
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05:01.55Fiskernice they made ignores in the equipment manager
05:02.34durcynthat's been there since it was released, you stupid dane
05:03.18Fiskerno fuck you
05:03.37Megalonoh Fisker, got owned again? :<
05:05.09Fiskeri never get owned Megalon
05:06.28FiskerFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU durcyn
05:06.54Megalonthere, again
05:09.01durcynyou
05:09.02durcynjust
05:09.03durcyngot
05:09.03durcynowned
05:13.02Lutin`Torhal, it's still not a panable map
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06:05.41NeoTron_yay. yogg+1 (10 man but still)
06:05.46NeoTron_and we had like 5 minutes left
06:12.34orionshockwow... std new install wow settings in icecrown - 30fps and looking good :)
06:15.55airtonixwhere is info on the ignore feature of the equipment manager?
06:16.05airtonixhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Equipment_Manager shows nothing of it
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06:20.15sb|workmorning
06:20.42shadowfauxmorning
06:20.52Megalonairtonix: now here is even an "ignore slot" icon on the slide-outs
06:21.13Megalonon live, i think you have to alt-click (or ctrl?) the slot
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06:31.38Xinhuanis it me or does the PTR 3.2 patch take longer to patch than actually downloading it?
06:36.17Fiskernot all that uncommon
06:36.22Fiskerunless you have a shitty connection :D
06:37.08shadowfauxAnyone able to help me by pointing to somewhere i can get the info i need?
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06:44.39theoddone33failed to 2 green dragons as an epic 80 paladin tank :(
06:54.20orionshockwhere is nev when u need to complain :|
06:55.00Fiskerright in my pocket
06:55.29Fiskerhe says you touched him in places
06:56.06FiskerMegalon there never was a "slide-out" QQ
06:58.26sb|worki can't see your SC2
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06:59.21MegalonFisker: ever tried holding down alt while hovering the slots while the equipmanager is on?
06:59.22Megalon:p
07:00.15Fiskeryes
07:00.21FiskerBut that always had an ignore slot option
07:00.30FiskerBut there's no "slideout" button like there is on the ptr
07:01.13Megalonhold alt, it slides out
07:01.22Megalonthat's what you call "no slideout"?
07:01.27Megalonobvious troll again? :x
07:01.41Fisker"[08:21:15] <Megalon> on live, i think you have to alt-click (or ctrl?) the slot"
07:01.52Megalonyea, for the slideout then :P
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07:07.43Repo10geargauge: 03Torhal 07master * beta7-8-g0c66148 GearGauge.lua: [+5 commits] (1 truncated)
07:07.46Repo0c66148: Added search functionality to the panel - it is case-sensitive, and I don't plan on changing that for now.
07:07.49Repo201ed3c: Removed the "hide", "list", and "panel" subcommands.
07:07.52Repo3aa143d: Moved declarations for panel, list, and right_pane.
07:07.55Repob31c3d7: Moved callback assignment and TipTac check outside of OpenListPanel, to the layout section.
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07:12.57Shinjahi
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07:30.02orionshockwho made sexy map was it Antiarc ?
07:30.15Torhalorionshock: Yes.
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07:30.29TorhalI need to go to sleep before I answer any more questions. Damn people.
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07:30.31Torhal:D
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07:30.36orionshockok, well libDBIcon and sexymap don't play togeather correctly
07:31.04Adirelle|workTorhal: but whyyy ?
07:31.07TorhalFile a ticket?
07:31.22TorhalAdirelle|work: So I can get up roughly sometime after my son.
07:31.29TorhalNot way after.
07:31.31TorhalHeh
07:31.33Adirelle|work^^
07:31.43orionshockTorhal: it's a special problem so i don't think either care; then again both are awesome authors
07:31.59Torhalorionshock: I'd say the fault was with SexyMap
07:32.05TorhalSimply because of how it handles icons
07:32.19orionshockit's a technicality on both accounts and a limitation
07:32.26TorhalHrm.
07:32.26Adirelle|worki'd say we need to kick antiarc to have him maintain his addons
07:32.45Adirelle|work~slap antiarc
07:32.45purlACTION slaps antiarc, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
07:32.45orionshockso Antiarc turned into ckknight ? make great mods but never update ? :)
07:32.58Adirelle|workthat how this feels to me
07:33.06TorhalAdirelle|work: I thought he was taking the ckknight approach. Make something that gets popular enough that other people band-aid it
07:33.08Torhalorionshock: Haha
07:33.10TorhalSame thought
07:33.35Antiarc*chuckle* I do tend to not be too aggressive about maintaining my hobby work, heh
07:33.36TorhalAnywho - sleepages.
07:33.37Adirelle|workTorhal: actually I was hesitating to ask him to add me as a maintainer
07:33.40AntiarcIt's an admitted fault :P
07:33.52AntiarcLife is keepin' me busy.
07:34.03Stanzillanow you woke him up :(
07:34.09TorhalAdirelle|work: Haha, ask him now :)
07:34.09Antiarc*rawr*
07:34.15TorhalYou have been patching it up.
07:34.21Adirelle|workwoot, HE IS ALIVE !
07:34.29AntiarcHehe
07:34.34AntiarcUp late workin' :)
07:34.53Adirelle|worktorhal: that was small fixes, and I could not tag them
07:34.56orionshockAntiarc: Sexymap and LibDBIcon act funny togeather. LibDBIcon tells the frame to hide when hidden but it's hidden because the mouse isn't over the minimap; so LibDBIcon think's it's already hidden; but SexyMap shows it regardless when u mouse back over it
07:35.06TorhalAdirelle|work: I've been lazy, BTW: I keep meaning to fix LibQTip's appearance inheritance but never get to it.
07:35.10AntiarcAh, hm
07:35.19AntiarcI've seen that happen before. Hrm.
07:35.23orionshockrealisitcally it's a libdbicon problem; it could check if the frames parent is hidden and adjust accordingly
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07:35.33TorhalAdirelle|work: If the tooltip is acquired while GameTooltip is fading, its alpha is set to semi-transparent.
07:35.42Adirelle|workinteresting ^^
07:35.43orionshockset the frame OnShow() handler to update properly from there.
07:35.44TorhalSo if you feel like fixing it....
07:35.44AntiarcSexyMap is very...violent in how it treats icons :P
07:35.48TorhalOtherwise, I'll get to it later
07:36.03AntiarcBy necessity, though, since there's not really any standard for icon behavior, heh
07:36.04TorhalI keep forgetting :)
07:36.04Adirelle|workactually I don't know how to "fix" it
07:36.27TorhalI have thoughts. No solid plan.
07:36.31Adirelle|worki'd say the solution would be to allow tip mod to have a way skin qtips
07:36.37orionshockAntiarc: in this community and world; make one and then distribute it to the major players and screw the rest :)
07:36.52AntiarcHeh.
07:36.54Adirelle|workhrm... "would be to allow tip addons to skin qtips" have more sense
07:37.18TorhalSomething to think about. I really must sleep, though.
07:37.24Adirelle|workok
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07:40.22Adirelle|workabout that issue, shouldn't sexymap identifies libdbicon icons ?
07:40.37Adirelle|workthey are all named LibDBIcon10_something
07:40.39AntiarcIs there a consistent way to do so?
07:40.44AntiarcOh, that's nice.
07:41.12Adirelle|workwell, that's a bit hackish because this is no "public"
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07:42.34TorhalHacks only matter when there's a better way of doing something.
07:42.34TorhalIf there isn't, the hack is the appropriate way.
07:42.34Torhalcackles.
07:42.34AntiarcMeh. Sexymap's button handling is a giant collection of hacks already. What's one more? :P
07:42.34Adirelle|work^^
07:42.35Adirelle|workmoreover, given "icon" is your icon frame, you can check for "icon.db.hide"
07:43.25Xinhuanlibrock is broken on ptr ;p
07:44.36Adirelle|workwhich addon is still using librock ?
07:45.26Xinhuanfubar
07:45.31Adirelle|workoh
07:45.38Adirelle|workR.I.P.
07:45.49Xinhuanlol
07:45.59mitch0it is safe to RegisterEvent() multiple time, right?
07:46.10Xinhuanits broken only because some globals are changed with regards to bug catching
07:46.58mitch0also, what's the safest way of attaching user data to frames? just use some magic prefix for variables?
07:47.12ElkanoAntiarc, and SexyMap still messes with the buttons even if that part is disabled in the config :/
07:47.14Xinhuanmyframe.mydata = 1
07:47.38AntiarcIt's rather indiscriminate about small frames attached to the minimap. Heh.
07:48.18mitch0xin: so I should just look out for name-clashes with the default blizz stuff?
07:48.40Xinhuanif your addon is called DoThisShit
07:48.53Xinhuani don't see how any other addon would set myframe.DoThisShitData
07:49.19Adirelle|workthere are more chance of a clash with other addon data than with blizz ones
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07:51.05mitch0xinhuan: I was thinking about "frame.ud = ... " :)
07:53.28Adirelle|workAntiarc: I'm looking at SexyMap's Buttons.lua
07:54.10mitch0Buttocks.lua
07:54.10Repo10sexymap: 03Antiarc 07master * 8657585 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+6 commits] (2 truncated)
07:54.11Adirelle|workI was wondering if detecting libdbicon icons in captureNewChildren to use a special .show would be sufficent
07:54.11Antiarc---^
07:54.13Repo8657585: Fix LDBIcon clashes by not messing with visibility; only mess with alpha for hover-registered buttons
07:54.16Repoc6cd033: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.wowace.com:wow/sexymap/mainline
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07:54.21Repo198df35: Fix (kinda) for movers + quest tracking
07:54.24Repof98fb0b: Merge enabled fix
07:54.30AntiarcNo need, really. Just let addons manage :Show and :Hide. SexyMap will just manage alpha.
07:54.50Adirelle|workhrm icons will still be clickable though
07:55.02AntiarcIf your mouse moves over the map they'll show anyhow
07:55.04AntiarcSo you want them clickable
07:55.34AntiarcIn practice it doesn't really change the behavior at all, just plays a little nicer with other mods.
07:55.40AntiarcFrom quick tests with the Skada button, it seems to work just fine
07:56.08Adirelle|workwhat happen when you select "never display" ?
07:56.18AntiarcIt just hides it, doesn't register it for hover.
07:56.41Adirelle|workok
07:59.00shadowfauxanyone know how to stop getting a wall of text from my addon? if i add something to my array it gives me a response for each chat event i have registered:$ any help please?
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08:19.05Adirelle|workAntiarc: do you mind if I try to commit some patches for sexymap offichal thread ?
08:19.07mitch0ok, how ugly is it to require a /reload after ui scale change?
08:19.21AntiarcAdirelle|work: What sort of stuff?
08:19.58Adirelle|work1) vehicule seat mover
08:20.12Adirelle|work2) some issue with the coordinate frame
08:20.26Adirelle|work(related to anchoring if I understood correctly)
08:20.28AntiarcWhat's the coord frame issue? I haven't had issues with it...I think?
08:20.35Mikkmitch0: very. don't.
08:20.55AntiarcThose should be fine though, go ahead
08:21.36mitch0mikk: ok, then tell me how to get notified of the event ;)
08:21.54mitch0hooking UIParent:SetScale doesn't work
08:21.58MikkOnUpdate and poll scale of UIParent :<
08:22.07Adirelle|workAntiarc: dunno about the coord issue, from the patch I guess the lock settings wasn't honored
08:22.20AntiarcCan't be that complex a fix then, heh
08:22.28Adirelle|worknot really ^^
08:22.32mitch0mikk: heh, that's much nicer indeed :)
08:22.47Mikkmitch0: question is ... why do you need it?  can it be fixed by just buildling your windows another way?
08:22.49Adirelle|workbut for another reason the guy changed anchoring to use UIParent instead of "Minimap"
08:23.02mitch0mikk: anchoring to mouse
08:23.02AntiarcHrm. Not sure I like that idea.
08:23.10Adirelle|workI'm not sure why he did that actually.
08:23.16AntiarcIt's not a standalone coordinate frame mod, heh
08:23.19Adirelle|workso I have to test it
08:23.36Mikkmitch0: Umm but then you've got something running every OnUpdate already do you not?
08:23.48MikkJust re-poll the scale every time
08:23.49mitch0yes
08:24.26mitch0but yesterday j*whiteh (clad? that's simpler if that's him really) bashed me for doing that ;)
08:24.39jnwhitehI didn't bash you
08:24.48jnwhitehI said polling for something that doesn't change without user interaction isn't good design
08:24.57Gnarfozwhee
08:24.59jnwhitehand its not, it may work.. but it's not how it "should" be done
08:25.12Gnarfozreading 91 pages on ensidia.com, filled to 91% with utter bullshit
08:25.22Gnarfozclass A entertainment
08:25.30Stanzillathe yogg exploit stuff?
08:25.49mitch0jnwhiteh: I understand all that, I do keep most of my stuff that way and keep performance in mind, but I don't see a way out of this...
08:26.32GnarfozStanzilla: yeah
08:26.36jnwhitehi'm sure there is.. but I can't offer to look into it right now
08:26.38jnwhitehso do whats easiest
08:26.38mitch0jnwhiteh: my best compromise is to poll it only every time I :Show() the "tooltip" (basically, every time you mouse-over a "valid" unit)
08:26.47jnwhitehyou were the one who was concerend about performance =)
08:26.48GnarfozStanzilla: note my post on page 1 of MMO-C's "exo banned" thread
08:26.49Mikkthat sounds like a kickass idea to me
08:27.14jnwhitehhttp://apidiff.pastey.net/116895
08:27.14mitch0mikk: ^^ aimed at me?
08:27.18Mikkmitch0: yupyup
08:27.34jnwhitehooh
08:27.38jnwhitehOnDisable and OnEnable
08:27.43GnarfozStanzilla: also awesome, the description of how they had to manually reset Algalon25 before it was fixed (never read the actual post because Calebv talked about it in here): http://www.ensidia.com/community/blogs/road-algalon.html
08:27.48jnwhiteh:GetAllowMouseover/:SetAllowMouseover
08:27.50StanzillaGnarfoz: yeah, funniest thing was when the exo member brought up all the old nihilum exploits
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08:28.28mitch0jnwhiteh: OnEnable is only called once (on startup) if we're talking about the same thing
08:28.35jnwhiteh....
08:28.36jnwhitehwe're not.
08:28.40jnwhitehOnEnable doesn't exist currently
08:28.47jnwhitehand its been added to the latest PTR build.
08:28.50jnwhitehnew frame scripts.
08:29.00GnarfozStanzilla: buzzkill (I think) put it right: when you're on the bleeding edge, what more than a glorified playtesting team are you, and why do you expect everything to be bug-free? (mostly about BC and vanilla stuff)
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08:29.07mitch0ah. what's it do?
08:29.21jnwhiteh.. fires
08:29.26jnwhitehwhen the button is enabled, or disabled.
08:29.32mitch0it's not a button
08:29.37jnwhiteh.. what areyou talking about
08:29.37mitch0it's a simple text frame
08:29.39jnwhitehI am talking about teh PTR
08:29.43jnwhitehI'm talking about frame mehtods and handler
08:29.46jnwhitehit has nothign to do with you
08:29.46jnwhiteh=)
08:29.47mitch0I'm talking about my uiScale issue :)
08:29.50Mikkupgrades his IRC client
08:29.51jnwhitehI'm not
08:29.57mitch0gah, get off my lawn then :)
08:31.45StanzillaGnarfoz: yeah, true
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08:32.08mitch0also, I don't know if it's just agUF doing something special, but UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT is fired when you mouse over a unitframe if the unit is "near"
08:32.22GnarfozStanzilla: oh and best of all: the synchronized double JoL accusation, lol
08:32.28mitch0(and mouseover unit is set correctly in that case)
08:32.37jnwhitehmitch0: that's every single SAB
08:32.43jnwhitehthat has a unit attribute set
08:32.47jnwhitehi asked for it almost a year ago
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08:33.03StanzillaGnarfoz: the screenshot of the premonition(?) video is nice. they had bigwigs timers for judgements to exploit it :D
08:33.09mitch0jnwhiteh: ah, then the wowwiki needs some updates
08:33.13GnarfozStanzilla: and to top even that, the screenshot from exodus's firefighter kill video showing THEM to do what they accused the others of doing, guess it doesn't take much creativity when you were actually doing it yourself
08:33.14jnwhitehdon't use wowwiki
08:33.15jnwhiteh=)
08:33.26GnarfozStanzilla: yeah, that's Exo's vid, making it all the more ironic
08:33.38Mikkor update wowwiki :o)
08:33.45mitch0jnwhiteh: well, wowprogramming needs even more updates :)
08:33.50Gnarfozanyway, "the war is over" so to speak, lol
08:33.57jnwhitehMikk: ><
08:33.58StanzillaGnarfoz: oh lol
08:33.59jnwhitehwhy?
08:34.00Adirelle|workAntiarc: still don't catch why he reanchored the coordiante frame to UIParent, it just seems to be ok with the Minimap
08:34.15StanzillaGnarfoz: I thought it was a different one because it had "premo" in the title, just ready the rest of the filename^^
08:34.18jnwhitehmitch0: how so?
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08:34.29Stanzillahttp://i43.tinypic.com/256qq1s.jpg :)
08:34.34GnarfozStanzilla: just "prem", short for "premium" on warcraftmovies, I take it
08:34.38Stanzillayeah
08:34.48orionshockwhats the command to restart the graphic engine in wow?
08:34.56Mikk<PROTECTED>
08:34.58Gnarfozorionshock: /console gxrestart
08:35.03mitch0jnwhiteh: the info on UPDATE_MOUSEOVER is too terse there
08:35.11jnwhitehI've just updated it
08:35.13Mikkjnwhiteh: good question! you tell me why not? =)
08:35.17jnwhitehbut you already know why
08:35.24jnwhitehMikk: Because our system is superior
08:35.34mitch0jnwhiteh: thanks ;)
08:35.38GnarfozStanzilla: anyway, nice entertainment that got me through a boring (too fucking hot) night ;D
08:35.40jnwhitehMikk: it always shows the most accurate listing of events, API, CVars, etc.
08:35.48StanzillaGnarfoz: it's cold here :O
08:35.52jnwhitehMikk: further, we can do more with our data.. because its in a consumable format which allows us to provide more to the community.
08:35.56GnarfozStanzilla: srsly? ;O
08:35.56Stanzillahow can I enable colored chat names on the ptr btw?
08:35.59StanzillaGnarfoz: yesh :/
08:36.17GnarfozStanzilla: cvar, I think? I'll check the diff
08:36.38mitch0jnwhiteh: you might add that it doesn't fire when the mouseover unit becomes invalid (when you un-mouseover :)
08:36.42EthanCentauraiInterface -> Development iirc
08:36.48GnarfozStanzilla: colorChatNamesByClass
08:36.56Stanzillatried that
08:36.58Stanzilladoesnt work
08:36.58jnwhitehmitch0: you could, but I will
08:37.02Stanzillabut ok I only tried /s
08:37.04Gnarfozthen it's "NYI" probably
08:37.10Gnarfozoh wait
08:37.19Gnarfozthat's from the "removed" line of the diff, silly me
08:37.28Stanzillaohnoes
08:37.31mitch0although strictly speaking it already says that, but it's clearer to be a bit more explicit
08:38.20GnarfozStanzilla: seems they toggle that by chat type now?
08:38.45GnarfozStanzilla: so probably in chat options where you set chat type colors? just guessing from the code, here ;D
08:38.55Stanzillalemme login
08:39.50Gnarfozdoing the same already
08:39.51Gnarfoz:D
08:39.51Stanzillaoh wtf
08:40.00Stanzillathe options look weird now^^
08:40.37Gnarfozalso, gotta fax away my cancellation of my root server ;o
08:40.45Stanzillaok it works
08:41.03Gnarfozgood to know, what doesn't seem to work is dalaran
08:41.03Gnarfoz;D
08:41.28Stanzillawho needs dalaran
08:41.43Gnarfozapparently I do, since my transferred char ended up there
08:41.49Stanzilla:D
08:41.50Gnarfozprobably same position as I logged out at?
08:41.59Stanzillayeah
08:42.51Stanzillahm you can really fly in dalaran now
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08:44.18Gnarfozwhat?
08:44.30Gnarfozalso, said Caleb| has arrived, \o/
08:44.45GnarfozStanzilla: you can't use that here
08:45.06Stanzillamount outside
08:45.08Stanzillafly in
08:45.24Gnarfozwithout taking "precautions" (*cough*)?
08:45.29Stanzillayeah
08:45.35Stanzillaon which ptr are you btw?
08:45.43Gnarfozwas gonna ask the same right now
08:45.52StanzillaFordring :D
08:45.56Gnarfozshouldb e Fordring, ("german")
08:46.00Repo10sexymap: 03Adirelle 07master * acbc2ac / (4 files in 2 directories): [+4 commits]
08:46.03Repoacbc2ac: Added vehicule seat mover.
08:46.06Repo58a0e9c: Coordinates: honor the "lock" setting and added a button to "reset position".
08:46.08Gnarfoz+remulos, for less lag (HAHAHAHA you wish)
08:46.09Repob073667: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.wowace.com:wow/sexymap/mainline
08:46.11Repof5b983f: If Capping is loaded, do not try to move PvP capture bars.
08:46.28GnarfozStanzilla: I'm at Krasus' Landing
08:46.31Stanzillago tradechat spam :D
08:56.41Gnarfozidd
08:57.03Gnarfozoh heh
08:57.12Gnarfozthe mmo-c thread shrunk down to 23 pages
08:57.32GnarfozI tried to open page 29 from a tab I had open for some hours previously
08:57.56Stanzillahttp://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=791104
08:58.01Stanzillawhat what WHAT?
08:59.23Gnarfozwut
09:00.17GnarfozStanzilla: the pdf link is 404?
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09:00.35Gnarfoznah only in the neowin post, nevermind
09:01.00StanzillaGnarfoz: http://thepiratebay.org/blog/164
09:01.57mitch0jnwhiteh: is there a search function on wowprogramming? I can't seem to be able to find it...
09:02.09jnwhitehgoogle site:wowprogramming.com <search terms>
09:02.15jnwhitehi could add a search box at some point
09:02.20mitch0would be nice
09:02.26jnwhitehbut it would just do that =)
09:02.34mitch0still ;
09:02.36mitch0:)
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09:09.44mitch0will OnShow() be called before the first OnUpdate() ?
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09:11.06Caleb|AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
09:11.06Caleb|haha
09:11.08Repo10configmodeblizzard: 03Adirelle 04v1.0-beta-2 * d6921c8 /: [new tag, +1 commits] Tagging as v1.0-beta-2.
09:11.26Caleb|you have to admit Gnarfoz this is some funny shit
09:11.40GnarfozCaleb|: oh yes, of course :)
09:11.53GnarfozCaleb|: we were talking about it a little while before you joined
09:12.02Gnarfozit was good entertainment that got me through the night, lol
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09:14.04FiskerGnarfoz
09:14.05Fiskeri hate you
09:18.09Gnarfozno, I you, because I can't moderate
09:18.20Gnarfozyou however, had some fun posting red text :(
09:18.53Repo10range-display: 03mitch0 * r233 RangeDisplay.lua:
09:18.56Repounthrottled update for anchor-to-mouse positioning, better workaround for uiScale update. drycode
09:24.47Repo10range-display: 03mitch0 * r234 RangeDisplay.lua: fix event registration when enabling/disabling units
09:29.50Repo10range-display: 03mitch0 * r235 RangeDisplay.lua: set bgAutoHide in defaults for mouseover unit
09:30.34Fiskerslaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout
09:30.43Fiskeri had like 10000000000 mails in my inbox
09:30.48Gnarfozno shit
09:30.51Gnarfozsee my post on page 1
09:32.19Fiskerlinks or gtfo
09:33.18Gnarfozshouldn't have trouble finding page 1 of the thread that now consists of 50% red text
09:33.24Gnarfoz:p
09:33.42Fiskerno
09:33.57Fiskerbut i should have trouble wanting to use 30 seconds finding the thread when i can use 2 seconds clicking a link
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09:37.21mitch0is this old? http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/30/0629254
09:37.58Gnarfozif you read it before? no. to many of us? yes.
09:38.19mitch0just stumbled upon it, but I guessed /. might not be the fastest new about WoW
09:39.17Gnarfozindeed
09:42.27GnarfozFisker: oh also http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=69556.msg1085297#msg1085297
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09:46.38Fiskertakes a piss
09:51.17Fiskerslaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout
09:51.24GnarfozFisker: no u
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09:51.41Fiskerslaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout
09:53.33Gnarfoznot creative today? still exhausted from doing my mom all night?
09:53.33Stanzillawhat was that vasjh respawn exploit those idiots are talking about?
09:53.33Fiskeryeah :(
09:53.33Gnarfozor just in a repetitive mood
09:53.33FiskerStanzilla something about she respawned at 1% or something
09:53.33Fiskeridk
09:53.33GnarfozStanzilla: don't remember? on the first kill, she respawned instantly
09:53.34Fiskerwas a one-time glitch
09:53.37Gnarfozafter the kill itself was a random bug, too
09:53.47orionshockboo server down
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09:54.06StanzillaGnarfoz: ok she respawned but how is that relevant for the first kill?
09:54.10Gnarfozdropped health from 10% to 1hp or so, SS'd priest SW:D'd her, after which a new one spawned
09:54.15Gnarfozit isn't
09:54.28Gnarfozsince you gain nothing from having to offtank a new vashj just to get your loot
09:54.48Stanzillastupid exodus people
09:54.52Gnarfozstupid internet people
09:55.02Gnarfozwait
09:55.07Gnarfozstupid people.
09:55.08Gnarfoz:D
09:55.08Stanzilla^^
09:55.52StanzillaThe bug was when she gets to 20% you wipe and have a paladin DS. Then she will go back into phase 2 when the encounter is resetting it knocks off her hp per pylon then she will be left on 1hp(5% per pylon) Then a priest will ss and sw:d her.
09:56.04Stanzillamkay
09:56.34Grumhow was cthun exploited though? :D
09:56.40Grumcan't find any information on that
09:56.42Stanzillawith the oozling
09:56.46Stanzillafilling up debuff slots
09:56.55Grumeuh? :D
09:56.58Stanzillaand not getting the one in his tentacle room thiny
09:57.09Grumreally? o.o
09:57.13Stanzillayeah
09:57.24GnarfozStanzilla: totally made up random shit
09:57.44Stanzillawhat? no :P
09:58.12Grumgimmeh a page with information on how that worked o.O
09:58.16Gnarfozcheck their screenshots, they were as surprised that they killed her as anyone else
09:58.33Gnarfozalso, the paladin alive in their screenshots is out of range + alive + 40~ ish hp
09:58.48Gnarfoz-> released + outside/at the entrance
09:58.51Gnarfozrather than DI'd
09:58.59Gnarfozwhich would show on the raid frames, hopefully. ^^
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09:59.30Fiskerslaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout
09:59.35Gnarfozit's easy to figure out how someone could have looked at their screenshots and made up a story that half fit what he saw
09:59.42StanzillaGrum: you get the debuff when the pet spawns
09:59.50Stanzillamake a macro to dismiss/spawn it
09:59.58Stanzillaspam your debuff slots, done
10:00.05Gnarfozback then debuff slots were limited to... 8? 16?
10:00.16Gnarfozanyway, limited like hell
10:00.18Grumyes you do but in order to override a buff in the debuffslots you needed to have at least 8 ?
10:00.25Gnarfozyes, no problem
10:00.28Grumhow?
10:00.32Gnarfozthe debuff has a duration
10:00.42Grumoozling one?
10:00.45Gnarfozand is cast on summon
10:00.55Gnarfozso summon/unsummon spam = debuffs
10:01.19Gnarfozhowever, having a macro with that icon on your action bar doesn't say *anything*
10:02.21GnarfozStanzilla: oh and re-reading what I wrote up there, timing-wise: I was referring to the vashj thingy, not c'thun
10:02.32Stanzillai know
10:02.40Gnarfozk, just clarifying
10:02.44Grumah
10:02.52StanzillaI'm so tired it's not funny
10:02.54Grumthat was when you had the buff where you could spawn ~20 pets
10:02.59Grumi used to do that :D
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10:03.09GnarfozStanzilla: from what?
10:03.12Grumthey then put a cooldown on the petsummon
10:03.14Gnarfozgod, I should turn off auto-subscribe on mmo-c
10:03.16Stanzillawaking up at 3am
10:03.19Gnarfozwhy?
10:03.23Stanzillagood question
10:03.34Gnarfoz(I got up yesterday at ~19:30, so I'm kind of fucked up right now, too :P)
10:03.48Stanzillalol :D
10:03.55StanzillaI went to bed at 0
10:03.59Stanzillawoke up at 3
10:04.02Stanzillamakes no sense :(
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10:04.06Gnarfozindeed not
10:04.06Grumhttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=20769#comments:id=365826
10:05.20GnarfozGrum: he's wise enough not to say "world first kill was an exploit", but rather "This exploit has been known and around for a long time. In fact, the first world C'Thun kill shot has an oozling macro on the guy's hotbar."
10:05.24Gnarfoz:D
10:05.50Gnarfozbut since multiple guilds killed him right after the nerf, I doubt that would have been necessary
10:07.10Adirelle|work~seen phanx
10:07.12purlphanx <n=phanx133@adsl-69-228-222-93.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 279d 9h 23m 40s ago, saying: 'Gnarfoz: thanks for committing that, btw'.
10:07.21Adirelle|workerm
10:07.37Gnarfozninja hl!
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10:22.41airtonixi'm having some problems loading and using ace3ConfigDialog library in my project
10:22.42airtonixhttp://pastebin.com/m63e8b149
10:24.01airtonixup until now i didnt realise that some other addon was filling in the shortcomings of how i was loading it up, but now that i've tested it out soley on its own with out other addons, i get a error telling me that it can't find an instance of ace3configdialog
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10:24.58airtonixfrom the that pastey, you can see i actually do have ace3configdialog referenced in the toc file and it does exist withing the folder tree of my project
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10:25.45airtonixembeds.xml : http://pastebin.com/m87981e3
10:26.55Arrowmasteryou need AceGUI-3.0
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10:29.45orionshockanyone know a good frunt end to mencoder ?
10:30.56Arrowmastermegui?
10:32.42airtonixcheers arrow, i was hoping to keep everything related to the configui seperate in a loadondemand addon
10:32.54airtonixseems i can;t for now till i work out how to properly seperate them
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10:33.12Arrowmasterwell you cant load aceconfig without acegui
10:33.43Repo10broker_altguild: 03yess * r2 / (5 files in 1 directory): initial commit
10:33.58airtonixArrowmaster, i had two addons, the main and the main_config, main config contained the ace3gui and the ace3dialog
10:35.59Fiskeroh that was a bad move Gnarfoz
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10:36.38airtonixArrowmaster, do i need AceEvent-3.0 at all ?
10:36.42GnarfozFisker: me scratching my butt? I'm sorry ;3
10:36.48Fiskernaw
10:36.54FiskerMy internet connection have been shit lately
10:37.04nevcairielhey they removed the need for Babble-Class .. finally :)
10:37.06FiskerSo they said a technician would take a look at it today
10:37.21FiskerSo i've been home and their deadline is now past 40 minutes
10:37.41EthanCentauraihows that nev?
10:37.44FiskerSo i'll give them a call here later to tell them i'll be cancelling my subscription :3
10:37.51nevcairiel+FillLocalizedClassList(LOCALIZED_CLASS_NAMES_MALE, false);
10:37.51nevcairiel+FillLocalizedClassList(LOCALIZED_CLASS_NAMES_FEMALE, true);
10:38.38EthanCentauraihasn't looked at the 10046 diff yet
10:38.40nevcairielI suspect its a Token -> Localized pair
10:38.44GnarfozFisker: you swedes and your 35€ 100mbit connections!!11 pfft
10:38.46nevcairielpatches to se
10:38.53Gnarfoz(cough)
10:38.55thulI got a free 15mbit connection :/
10:38.58nevcairielGnarfoz: he is a dane
10:39.01thulrapes Fisker
10:39.03Gnarfoznevcairiel: no shit
10:39.04EthanCentauraistill can't log into the PTR... D:
10:39.22Gnarfoz:D
10:39.36Fiskerfuck you Gnarfoz
10:39.39Fiskernot swedish
10:39.41nevcairielDid i hear right that Firefox 3.5 is supposed to be released today?
10:39.52GnarfozFisker: haste said you were
10:39.58Fiskeri'm danish
10:40.05Gnarfozno, haste is always right
10:40.05Fiskerand a 20Mbit connection is €40
10:40.16Fiskerunless you live in copenhagen or something
10:40.58Gnarfozha, Copenhagen, who are you kidding, you swede :o
10:41.03nevcairielwtf, SC2 without a LAN mode
10:41.05Gnarfoz(man these get old quick)
10:41.10nevcairieli liked blizzard before .. :P
10:41.25Stanzillayes nevcairiel
10:41.36Stanzillait's already on the ftp afaik
10:41.37Gnarfoznevcairiel: d3, too, they announced that long ago - wasn't unreasonable to expect the same for sc2
10:42.19nevcairielDiablo is not a typical "competition" game
10:42.34nevcairielSC:BW was great on competitive play on LANs
10:42.38FiskerD3 is pretty nice as well for lans
10:42.41Gnarfozwhat :< baal runs are not competitive?
10:42.59Gnarfoz(I agree though, both would benefit from LAN modes, SC2 even more than D3)
10:43.20nevcairielOf course we've played long games of D2 on LAN
10:43.26nevcairielbut we could as well do that through battle.net
10:43.31Elkanoit's most likely ment as a counter for piracy, forcing people on LANs to use battle.net
10:43.46Gnarfozindeed, that's why I'm saying SC2 more so than D3
10:43.56GnarfozElkano: not piracy probably, cheating rather
10:44.23nevcairielWell i'm organizing big lan partys, and we don't always have enough free internet bandwidth to offer lag-free playing through battle.net .. so no tournaments of SC2 for us.
10:44.39Elkanowell, I don't mean full-scale LANs with tournaments and such but rather the small friends&family version
10:44.40Gnarfozyup, that's the problem :\
10:44.57nevcairielfriends&family can as well play throug battle.net
10:45.04nevcairielthats where we played d2
10:45.06nevcairielnever on big lans
10:45.06GnarfozElkano: well f&f don't have the internet problem
10:45.18Gnarfozbut they also don't make up much of the piracy problem I'd guess
10:45.22nevcairielBut i liked watching WC3 tournaments
10:45.26nevcairielwouldve loved SC2
10:45.30Gnarfoz(having no numbers about any of this is kind of meh)
10:45.44nevcairielIf you must, authenticate on the web, play on LAN
10:45.57nevcairielbut don't foce the game through the web :/
10:46.11nevcairieloh well, bnetd here you go!
10:46.26Gnarfozhaha bnetd :D
10:47.32ElkanoGnarfoz, wouldn't say that... friends could be inet pals, too... playing via Hamachi and such
10:48.15Gnarfozugh
10:49.17nevcairielthey should just buy the game then
10:49.29nevcairieland play on battle.net .. if they play over internet already =P
10:49.43nevcairielI just hate the forced use of Internet for competetive playing on LANs
10:51.29nevcairielhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/25c7ec32a9052140d0fd0af852742752.png
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10:51.33nevcairielthere goes babble-class ^
10:54.12Elkanothough we still need to create the inverse by hand, don't we?
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10:55.05sb|workGnarfoz: 100mbit (+telephone) coming to me soon, for 50 eur  :p
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10:55.32Gnarfozsb|work: KD pilot area?
10:55.37Gnarfoz(docsis 3.0 shizz, 100/2.5?)
10:55.37sb|workKBW
10:55.49sb|workand yes, 100/2.5 i think :/
10:55.52Gnarfozthey're doing that too? nice
10:56.07Gnarfozoh
10:56.10GnarfozI misread heise, it's just KBW
10:56.17Gnarfoz100/2.5 is still better than my 3/0.192 ;D
10:56.29Megalon:O
10:56.30sb|workyup :p
10:56.53Elkanonot that anyone really needs that much bandwidth ^^
10:56.57sb|workthe sad part is, i'm not in the first 3 "testing areas" :p so it will take some time :/
10:56.58nevcairielWhy do the silly people in the south get the good stuff?
10:57.26Megalonwhatsup with the italians?
10:57.34Fiskerduh nevcairiel
10:57.38Fiskerthe game will still be P2P
10:57.56GnarfozElkano: 3/.192 for the price of 6/something also sucks ass.
10:58.01Megalonyour mom is p2p Fisker
10:58.04Fiskeryes
10:58.07nevcairielThose games have issues figuring out that its on the same LAN and will still send over the internet interface
10:58.08Gnarfozalso, it's all about upstream bw
10:58.16Fiskernaw nevcairiel
10:58.52sb|worknevcairiel: because! :p (and don't call us silly! :p)
10:59.01GnarfozI'd happily give up 80 of those 100M (or 40 of the 50M VDSL offers) to increase the upstream bw ;o
10:59.05nevcairielsilly!
10:59.15sb|workjust move south ;)
10:59.28Gnarfozactually, for 50/10 VDSL that wouldn't make sense, heh, giving up 30 of those to get 20/20 would rock
10:59.28nevcairieli'm not moving anywhere near those silly people
10:59.32nevcairieli like the north
10:59.45Gnarfozif I move south, I won't be able to understand people anymore
10:59.51nevcairieltruth
10:59.55Gnarfozthey're going to be like all gibberish and stuff :P
10:59.59Elkanowell, I'm getting 400 for the price of 1k :/
11:00.01sb|workpffffff
11:00.37Gnarfozsrsly, when you're from where there's basically no dialect, it's just that much more annoying :D
11:00.53Gnarfozalso: giev work in the south -> moving
11:01.15nevcairielwell yeah, good work would motivate =p
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11:02.09Gnarfoznevcairiel: -good
11:02.20Gnarfozactually, good work would be preferable, but hey
11:02.29nevcairielmeh i can get bad work nearly anywhere
11:02.33sb|workmh, i think you can find computer related work in ffm/stg/muc easily - with some good qualification ofc ;o
11:04.48StanzillaGnarfoz: hey bavarian is awesome, mkay?
11:04.54GnarfozStanzilla: freilich
11:04.58StanzillaxD
11:05.28StanzillaI have 0 dialect btw
11:05.39Gnarfozsb|work: that's the problem, people don't even reply "fuck off" to applications they get for their own job offers, they just don't reply at all
11:06.09Gnarfoz(they're requesting them emailed as pdf/doc whatever, it's like ZERO work - still they couldn't care less it seems)
11:06.13nevcairielThen you call them and bother them to say "fuck off" to your face .. well over phone .. :p
11:06.34Gnarfozyeah, that works, but - same result
11:06.54Gnarfozit's just agonizing to know that they don't even care enough to fire off a canned reply
11:08.47nevcairielthat reminds me, i need to send some more canned applications
11:09.41Gnarfoz:P
11:09.42Gnarfozexactly
11:10.04Stanzillayou can make me some coffee if you want :P
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11:10.16GnarfozStanzilla: gtfo
11:10.18Gnarfoz;\
11:10.33nevcairielHe is another silly-southy
11:10.49Repo10broker_altguild: 03yess 041.0beta * r4 : Tagging as 1.0beta
11:10.51Stanzillameany :(
11:11.00kalahassiwhat is the difference between UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED and UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED_QUIET ?
11:11.15nevcairielthe one failed with a bang the other one didnt? :)
11:11.59kalahassithere has to be a difference , when /why they happen :)
11:16.21Fiskerjnwhiteh must know
11:16.34Fiskerjnwhiteh jnwhiteh jnwhiteh
11:16.49mitch0if he knows, he didn't bother to share the info on wowprogramming ;)
11:17.09Fiskerit doesn't work like in beetlejuice
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11:18.30Megalonif fisker is involved, it can only trigger the first event
11:18.36Megalonbecause Fisker never fails quietly
11:19.08Fiskeroooh burn
11:19.12Fiskerbut i bang your mom quietly
11:19.21Fiskerbut that doesn't trigged failed_quiet
11:19.36Megalonit's better that way anyway
11:19.56Megalonelse you'd only annoy the other people on the graveyard
11:20.21Fiskeryour mom is a hot necromilf
11:20.53Megalonshe literally bones you back
11:21.18Gnarfozwww.instantrimshot.com
11:21.50nevcairielIRC should be able to play sounds
11:21.51nevcairielsrsly
11:22.30Arrowmasterit can
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11:25.09mitch0anyone know of an up-to-date, simple water elemental mod that shows remaining lifetime?
11:26.34mitch0guess I'll just write one. seems to be pretty straightforward with GetPetTimeRemaining()
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11:28.52dodgamitch0: I just start a quartz timer in a macro that casts Shadowfiend :D
11:29.15mitch0dodga: with hardcoded lifetime?
11:29.22dodgayeah :)
11:29.26mitch0suxorz :)
11:29.35dodgaTrue :)
11:29.51dodgaIf you write such an addon, make it work with Shadowfiend, too ;)
11:30.33mitch0it will
11:30.39dodgamucho <3
11:30.46mitch0as GetPetTimeRemainging() works for all pets
11:30.59mitch0all temp pets, that is
11:31.12dodgaIs that a fact, or is that how it should be? :D
11:31.23mitch0that's what wowprogramming tells me :)
11:31.36mitch0Returns the time remaining before a temporary pet is automatically dismissed. Temporary pets include priests' Shadowfriend, mages' Water Elemental, and various quest-related pets
11:31.45dodgaSo there could be all kind of f'uped quirks from Blizz in there :D
11:32.41mitch0although I'd need some other API call to get the initial (max) value if I want a bar thingy, not just a countdown
11:36.01dodgaLike, hardcoded values? :>
11:36.15mitch0meh, talents change lifetimes
11:36.38dodgaScan on P_E_W or talent change :D
11:37.05dodgaOr maybe look in the tooltip? :o
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11:39.02bluspacecowoh hai guys
11:39.35mitch0tooltip scanning is teh evil
11:41.40bluspacecowoh rly ?
11:42.18Pneumatus^^fail, one of my chars got copied to PTR while i was in ulduar
11:42.59bluspacecowthats a point ..... PTR still up ?
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11:58.50mitch0dodga: do you have a unit frame for your shadowthings?
12:00.04mitch0actually, the real question is wether UNIT_PET fires for those or not (and druids' tree things and shamans wolfy things)
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12:00.59bluspacecow~coffee dodga
12:01.00purlACTION steals some of pb_ee1's special coffee and gives it to dodga on a silver platter.
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12:02.08sb|workmitch0: yes, there is a unitframes for shadowfiend pets
12:02.10mitch0what's the name of the shaman wolf thingy? (not the one that lets them change)
12:02.28bluspacecowthe wolfies
12:02.39bluspacecowwhere the cute ghost dogs come out and attack things ?
12:02.44mitch0yes
12:02.53bluspacecowFeral Spirit
12:02.56bluspacecowi think
12:03.34bluspacecowhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=51533
12:03.41mitch0found it thanks.
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12:03.54mitch0do _they_ have unit frames, too? :)
12:04.50bluspacecowhmmm
12:04.59bluspacecownah i think they're just a pet frame
12:05.09Pneumatus^^one of the ghostwolfs will get a petframe
12:05.33mitch0so presumably UNIT_PET fires for those as well
12:05.49bluspacecowhang on
12:06.20bluspacecowgimme a minute I can confirm that on the PTR at least
12:06.23sztanpeti dont know but i think they should, they can stun and all
12:06.35mitch0blue: thanks
12:07.34mitch0LibCandyBar automagically updates the time remaining, right?
12:07.39mitch0(-3.0)
12:08.59ThiefMasterso.. with the totem bar using action slots - will addons be able to configure the totem sets or not? i remember actionbar saving addons before 3.1 sometimes required a reloadui to work properly which would be extremely annoying (e.g. when using raidtotems to configure the totemsets of all shamans)
12:09.30bluspacecowafk
12:10.44nevcairielIs 3 sets saved in the default ui not enough? :)
12:12.03ThiefMasterwell i don't really like the default ui with the predefined sets. i prefer the way TT works (where you simply choose the 4 addons for your current set instead of choosing predefined sets)
12:12.18ThiefMasteradditionally, i really like the mouseover stuff instead of clicking the button to open the totem list :P
12:12.31bluspacecowThiefmaster : are you talking about the new totem bar in 3.2 ?
12:12.32nevcairielyou could easily change that
12:12.36ThiefMasteryes
12:12.45bluspacecowi've got it up right now
12:13.01bluspacecowtheres 3 different spells
12:13.09bluspacecowyou right click to select a different set
12:13.11kalahassididnt blizzard tell us that the cannons which are in your base in the isle of conquest can be repaired in 8 seconds?
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12:13.17ThiefMasteryeah i know it, already tested it
12:13.26ThiefMasterbut as a raid leader it's very comfortable if you can configure the *active* totem set for all shamans like you do for paladins with pallypower
12:13.38ThiefMasternot having to tell everyone what totems they should use etc..
12:13.49bluspacecowah
12:14.51ThiefMasterand being lazy, i'd rather want a rightclick on any totem button cast call of earth (or whatever totemic call was renamed to) instead of having to click the extra button (which just wastes valuable space ;))
12:15.56bluspacecowmitch : just did a /eventtrace   and called up my dogs
12:16.15bluspacecowPET_BAR_UPDATE_COOLDOWN is fired
12:16.34bluspacecoweventULLT
12:16.38bluspacecoweventually
12:16.53mitch0but not UNIT_PET?
12:16.59bluspacecowspell cast at 4.13.18.336
12:17.19bluspacecowPET_BAR_UPDATE_COOLDOWN fires at 4:13.18.878
12:17.39bluspacecowcant see it in the event log
12:17.57mitch0hrmp
12:18.39bluspacecowoh wait
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12:19.21bluspacecow04.13.18.839 UNIT_PET arg 1 = Player
12:19.26mitch0that's it
12:19.26bluspacecowtheres 3 like that
12:19.27mitch0cool
12:19.36bluspacecowfor ... 3 doggies !
12:19.38bluspacecow:D
12:20.07bluspacecow??
12:20.10mitch0are these pets moving as a pack? or can they separate
12:20.16mitch0?
12:20.37bluspacecow"04.13.18.882 UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED"   arg1 - pet arg2 = spawn smoke (druid)
12:20.49bluspacecowdamn droods been teaching my doggies how to smoke !
12:21.41bluspacecowoh i love these new built in addon debugging tools :D
12:21.56mitch0I should hop on to ptr to test these things
12:21.57bluspacecowgenerally they move as a pack
12:22.03bluspacecowmmhmm
12:22.17kalahassidoes the blizzard debug addon still cause lua-errors?
12:22.22bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
12:22.34ThiefMasterthey should add /rl instead of /reload ;x
12:22.35bluspacecowkalahassi what lua errors were you getting >
12:22.37Arrowmasteri havent seen a diff yet
12:22.47Arrowmasterbluspacecow: it was totally broken last build
12:22.52bluspacecowarrow : theres one up on wowace.com
12:22.53mitch0blusp: would you mind what RangeDisplay does with them? (enable "Pet" unit, then reload [the reload issue is fixed in the latest alpha, but that's drycoded])
12:22.59bluspacecowi was using it last build
12:22.59mitch0s/mind/mind check/
12:23.37bluspacecowlast build you needed to enable it via the addons menu under "Blizzard Development Tools:
12:23.40bluspacecowopps
12:23.44bluspacecowPTR world server down
12:23.56mitch0you killed it...
12:24.41kalahassii've beent trying to play there for hours, but only lost one bg-match
12:25.15bluspacecowkk brb need to go hang washing ....
12:25.26kalahassiyou can't get the healthvalue of the 6 gates in the isle of conquest, can you?
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12:33.18Fiskerbtw nevcairiel
12:33.20Fiskerpeople are funny
12:33.37Fisker"The 2% users Blizzard is going to lose on no lan doesn't matter"
12:33.42p4aved~wowalert
12:33.42purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
12:33.51Fisker"Losing for 2% users for no reason does matter"
12:34.08Fisker"I don't think they'll lose customers either way, it's just there for anti-piracy"
12:34.13pb_ee1dodga, give me back my coffee !!
12:34.17Fisker"If they don't lose any customers how is anti-piracy relevant?" >:3
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12:40.41Arrowmasteri looked at the framexml diff, the debugtools still breaks stuff
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12:42.56bluspacecowhow ? in what way does it break stuff ? whats the expected method of it breaking stuff (ie what would you see)
12:43.13Arrowmasterwell they completely broke message()
12:43.33Arrowmasterand the debugstacks that come from the new error frame are wrong
12:43.43bluspacecowdang
12:43.51bluspacecowi was using /eventtrace before
12:43.52DessaFisker: wtf are you talking about?
12:43.58bluspacecowis that bugged to ?
12:44.23Pneumatus^^Arrowmaster: is framestack still playing up as well?
12:44.57Arrowmasternothing was changed in the debug tools other than it seems somebody heard my bitching about the retarded pairs({...})
12:45.11bluspacecowidk arrow
12:45.24bluspacecowin the last build it was actually in the addons list
12:45.27bluspacecownow its not
12:45.54Arrowmasterthats not a framexml change
12:46.07Arrowmasterthats something else in the C code to hide it
12:46.23bluspacecowah so fairly minor then
12:48.58kalahassilibhealcomm reports totally wrong numbers on the ptr, did they change so many talents or is it cause by something else?
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12:56.06Adirelle|workFisker: what where you speaking about ("2% user loss") ?
12:56.52Fiskersome people arguing why it shouldn't have lan
12:57.04FiskerSaying that Blizzard wouldn't care about, for example a 2% user loss
12:57.33Adirelle|workI'm completely miss the context
12:57.43EthanCentauraihttp://www.zam.com/story.html?story=18649
12:58.01FiskerBasically the claim was that he doubted any player would even care, and if they did the small loss of users would be irrelevant
12:58.15FiskerAnd i told him that if people didn't care and if sales would be largely unaffected, why bother removing it?
12:59.37Adirelle|workdo they remove it ? or do they save the time of adding it ?
12:59.51FiskerThere's nothing to add or remove
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13:00.41Adirelle|worklan does not follow the same architecture than a centralized server
13:00.52FiskerThe game supports any kind of TCP/IP (Or UDP) connection which is indifferent of network arcitechture
13:00.58Adirelle|workhandling both means developping a bit more code, supporting it, etc...
13:01.11FiskerAdirelle|work Blizzard won't make it a client-server model lol
13:01.29Adirelle|workwell, that's roughly what the article says
13:01.33Adirelle|workconnection will be handled by b.net
13:01.43Arrowmasterthen what is it if its not client-server?
13:01.56Fisker(Which btw wouldn't matter unless Battle.net itself hosted the game)
13:02.05Arrowmastersc1 was client-server
13:02.07FiskerSauce Adirelle
13:02.25FiskerArrowmaster and why do you think it's P2P now?
13:02.38Arrowmasteryou just said its not client-server
13:02.47Adirelle|workbut anyway, handling LAN still need specific developpment and support over unique b.net support
13:02.56Fiskerwe're talking about SC2 Arrowmaster
13:02.56bluspacecowwhich game we talking about here ?
13:03.00Fiskerno Adirelle
13:03.02Arrowmasterp2p is a seriously shitty way to do games
13:03.09Arrowmasterits going to be a major failure if its p2p
13:03.20FiskerOnly if Battle.net itself hosts the game and the client connects to Battle.net to play the game (Not just find the game etc.)
13:03.43nevcairielstrategy has always been p2p more or less
13:03.49Fisker^^
13:03.51Arrowmasterno
13:03.53Fiskeryes
13:03.54nevcairielWC3 and SC1 just find game hosts through battle.net
13:04.00nevcairieland directly connect
13:04.01FiskerWC3 is P2p
13:04.02nevcairielD2 did too
13:04.03FiskerP2P
13:04.11Arrowmasterone player acts as the host aka server and the rest are clients
13:04.19FiskerThat's still P2P
13:04.24FiskerAnd not true btw
13:04.26Arrowmasterp2p is like the demigod failure
13:04.45nevcairielThere is no "central server" for stragey games, is all
13:04.51FiskerAs far as i recall WC3 games can still continue when the hoster leaves the game
13:04.53nevcairielplayers connec to each other
13:04.57nevcairielwhich is pretty much p2p
13:05.00Arrowmasterright but one player still acts as the host or server for the match
13:05.19bluspacecowO_O
13:05.27bluspacecow<----- just saw the new bear form
13:05.30bluspacecowbig butt
13:05.38bluspacecowreally really really big butt
13:05.39nevcairielmodern strategy games try to re-establish a new "server" if the old one leaves
13:05.43nevcairielbut that doesnt always work
13:06.07phyberhost migration, great for when the host rage quits ;)
13:06.28Adirelle|workanyway, no feature comes at no cost
13:06.43Adirelle|workand even if LAN is very similar to b.net games (even in p2p)
13:06.44nevcairielits still pretty much a distributed system, as every player can be the server
13:06.51Adirelle|workit is not exactly the same
13:06.56FiskerIt is exactly the same
13:07.02Adirelle|workyou have at least to to LAN discovery
13:07.11nevcairielyeah, a broadcast =P
13:07.12FiskerThat has nothing to do with the game itself
13:07.23FiskerAnd it doesn't take a minute to code
13:07.26Adirelle|workno, but you have still to pay people to do the job
13:07.30Fiskerand they already have it for b.net
13:07.34Arrowmasteri dont consider that p2p, since a few games recently have been trying real p2p stuff and its been nothing but failures and rampent cheating because its so abusable
13:07.35FiskerThey just have to scale it down for the client
13:08.11FiskerAfter the engine started working the first thing they had working was LAN
13:08.12Adirelle|work"have to scale it down" ?
13:08.24Adirelle|workhow do i do that in term of coding ?
13:08.43mitch0remove every second line, doh!
13:08.44nevcairielcoding a lan mode is like no work, they just decided to not want it
13:08.48Fiskerpunch the keys (for gods sake)
13:09.34Adirelle|workok, so I better understand what just happened ^^
13:09.43phyberD2 style "TCP/IP" where you stuck in the players IP address. < scaled down.
13:12.24kadrahilpunches Fisker
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13:29.07mitch0so, have you guys heard that SC2 will not support LAN play?
13:29.12mitch0:P
13:29.40sb|workmitch0 is now known as Fisker2? :P
13:31.19Brunersnevcairiel: im guessing its to prevent some piracy
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13:31.57nevcairielLike that many people play it illegally in multiplayer
13:32.06nevcairielsingle player they still cannot stop =P
13:32.08mitch0but they will loose like 2% of players!
13:32.22Daemonasure they could require you to bnet connect for singleplayer
13:32.34Bruners~can'
13:32.38nevcairielThey would lose even more players then
13:32.46Brunerscan't be that hard to fake a battle.net server?
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13:32.55Lysitheathey'll probably do it like steam
13:33.05Lysitheagotta login to auth then play via lan somehow
13:33.17nevcairielSteam has an "Offline Mode" too
13:33.19Lysitheato prevent piracy etc
13:33.24nevcairielyou can play LAN without any connection
13:33.32nevcairiel*internet connection
13:33.33Lysitheayeah
13:33.39Lysitheabut blizz will do something similar
13:33.41cauchyheh
13:33.44cauchyb srs
13:33.47Lysitheabut just not pure lan straight away
13:33.54cauchysc2 will be most definetly worth buyign
13:34.00cauchybuying even
13:34.12nevcairielThey wouldnt say there is "no LAN mode" if you can still play in LAN o.O
13:34.26nevcairielits not about buying cauchy, its about requiring internet to play
13:36.01cauchyah
13:36.11cauchywell, someone was saying something about piracy
13:36.20cauchyso i assumed you're talking about this topic
13:37.03cauchyi wouldn't play over LAN anyway
13:37.04cauchy;\
13:37.13cauchydon't have with whom :(
13:37.18cauchyno friends, no life
13:37.24cauchyimma wow player :(
13:38.24Brunersthe big thing with SC was the LAN-part, but that was mostly due to people having shitty 14k modems
13:38.58cauchywell
13:39.21cauchyin 98 in my country in my areas it was not even possible to get dial up :)
13:39.37cauchyso i could only play over LAN :)
13:39.52Brunersi had interwebs in 95
13:39.52mitch0TCP over Pigeon Carrier
13:40.05Brunersnot that it was used
13:40.27Adirelle|workTCP/PC ?
13:40.35sb|workwtb word-kick on "sc2" + "no lan" :/
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13:41.35mitch0adirelle: http://www.scribd.com/doc/10571/RFC-1149
13:41.43FiskerHere's the deal
13:41.46FiskerYou can't prevent piracy
13:41.47Fiskerend.
13:41.59BrunersFisker: you can
13:42.35BrunersOpen Source, Free, Killing humanity etc
13:43.11Fiskeroh burn Bruners
13:43.30Fiskeropen source and killing humaniy doesn't prevent piracy though
13:44.13cauchythere's one minor drawback with open source
13:44.34cauchyyou can't get as much money from it as you could from payed software
13:45.16Adirelle|workremember than open source does not mean free sofware
13:46.08cauchyi do know that
13:46.25cauchyopen source means your source is free to view though
13:46.43cauchyat least i hope it does, if it doesn't i'm in grave trouble
13:50.20ckknightif copyright were abolished, I bet people would still hide their source code and call it trade secrets
13:50.32ckknightnot much would change except piracy would become legal
13:50.48ckknightit's not as though all the companies would just hold hands and release their source
13:51.23mitch0stupid patents are more of a problem than copyright
13:51.33ckknightno rebuttal there
13:52.01mitch0copyright's only issue is that it's granted for too long
13:52.21ckknightbut patents are a deeper issue, with little to do with piracy at all, it's more hard-hitting the software and product producers rather than the consumers
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13:52.40p4avedati and nvidia driver source code will never be released
13:52.52p4avedbecause they use each others patents without paying royalties
13:52.55mitch0ati released most of their stuff already...
13:53.02p4avedmost
13:57.00sb|workoh well, rammstein now officially "sold out" :/
13:57.35mitch0rammstein as in the annoying white-noise band?
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13:58.57sb|workuhm - yes i'm talking about the band - i didn't get the other part :p
13:59.49mitch0:)
14:00.05mitch0kids these they grow up on all sort of shit music...
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14:00.50mitch0s/they/days/
14:00.51mitch0meh
14:01.45cauchyand pink floyd still stand strong
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14:20.37yoshimoi want to enter the new 5man instance on the ptr to have a look at it. but the game complains about "youre not 75 yet" although im lvl 80. can i do something about this?
14:20.59EthanCentauraiI don't think it's available yet
14:21.20kadrahil:|
14:21.25yoshimothey told me you can visit it, but no mobs are inside
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14:27.35thulhttp://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/24/the-blue-and-the-green/
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14:53.25RepoNew project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/broker_altguild/. Broker_AltGuild. yess (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
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15:13.33Brunerswhat tooltip addon are people using now?
15:13.50sylvaanhave they opened anything on the ptr yet
15:14.14sylvanaaror reopenrf
15:14.18sylvanaarreopened
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15:14.36TorhalBruners: TipTac. I was using TipTop but it severely lags when hovering over certain things.
15:16.15kadrahilis till use tinytip :(
15:16.19kadrahilerr, i still*
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15:21.13Kaelteng'morning
15:21.29Brunersmorning Kaelten
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15:24.40yoshimokoralon is the only new boss/instance available
15:24.45BrunersTorhal: have you used TipTac recently?
15:24.57BrunersTorhal: as in it could have been updated to fix the lag thingie
15:26.41TorhalBruners: TipTop? Not in a couple of months.
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15:34.34JamashHa!  I fixed my event problem!  Turns out it had nothing to do with AceEvent, I was registering an event and then immediately unregistering it elsewhere :P
15:35.08TorhalI blame Zhinjio.
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15:55.19KaeltenLooking for someone running Mac OS 10.4
15:55.27Kaeltenthat's willing to test something for me
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16:05.00sztanpethttp://wowraid.com/index.php?topic=429.0 for bigwigs boss triggers :D
16:05.03Torhalorionshock: Hmm. Crossover Games allows me to turn everything up without the graphical corruption.
16:05.25Daemonauuh anyone on the ptr atm? is the combat log disabled or am i too blind to find the option to enable it?
16:05.52TorhalDaemona: I keep getting on the PTR, long enough for it to crash (Broxigar)
16:06.13Daemonai am fine on eu-remulos but i dont have a combat log ^^
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16:09.16Daemonahmm on a sidenote, anyone figured out how the poisoned blood ravasaur quest is supposed to work?
16:09.25Daemonai am two hitting the mobs without weapons :(
16:09.35Daemonahow am i supposed to get poisoned by fighting them....
16:09.41nicoli_sjust hit em once and wait it out
16:09.43nevcairielnaked? :)
16:10.04yoshimorun through them and dont hit them?
16:11.04Daemona"you'd need to be splashed with poisonous vlood while fighting ..."
16:11.17Daemonawhich implies some ret-aura style dmg when you hit them
16:11.32nevcairielDaemona: i just logged in and my combatlog is visible like always
16:11.36sacarascUse 0 damage spells!
16:12.06nicoli_sare there any cool alliance only mounts?
16:12.16nicoli_scuz its kind unfair they are doing a cool horde only one
16:12.18sacarascThe wintersabre tiger thing.
16:13.31Daemonanicoli_s since when do you play wow? o.O
16:13.55durcynravasaur was mentioned as a counterpart for the wintersaber years ago
16:14.03durcynit just took them forever to get off their ass and do it
16:14.23Daemonathey obviously need more interns
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16:16.06sacarascI'd prefer a ravasaur rather than a wintersabre.
16:16.56pentium166i hope the ravasaur is a very light purple or pink
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16:21.08bluspacecowblah
16:21.25bluspacecowreally starting to hate the format of the vent .ini files
16:22.03Daemonaas a troll sacarasc i can attest you, raptors get boring fast
16:22.57Daemonaso.. i knocked out 10 venomhide ravasaurs naked, unarmed now and not 1 time i got poisoned...
16:23.10Daemonais annoyed and writes a suggestion using the cool tool.
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16:42.40Hirsutenicoli_s: I don't particularly care if they do a "cool horde-only one".  I'm more interested that people are comparing it to the Wintersaber mount though.  Does that mean you have to do a nasty rep grind with the NPC in Un'Goro before you can train the mount?
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16:43.49yoshimo20 times daylies if i remember correctly from the ptr-forum
16:44.17durcyn3 weeks of bothersome dailies, probably -longer- than wintersaber takes at this point
16:44.59ckknightFirefox 3.5 released
16:45.08nevcairielHours ago
16:45.16durcyndiff from rc3 is what, other than the version number?
16:45.21bluspacecowhey cam
16:45.36nevcairielNo idea, i've been running the 3.5 trunk builds for a while
16:47.14HirsuteInteresting.
16:48.58EthanCentauraican't decide to switch to Firefox for stick with Safari
16:49.19bluspacecowSafari 4 I likes
16:50.19durcynI've found webkit and mozilla to be pretty close on rendering, it's really a question of which interface annoys you less
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16:50.46ckknightI switched to Safari a few days ago
16:50.48ckknightfrom Firefox
16:51.10ckknightI had severe issues with Firefox and having lots of tabs
16:51.31EthanCentauraiFirefox 3.5 uses 120Mb idling on the WowAce homepage whereas Safari only uses 35Mb... O.o
16:52.10EthanCentauraiadmittedly the only thing I miss in Safari is NoScript
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16:53.22KaeltenI'm a safari 4 user just about everywhere now
16:53.41KaeltenUnrelated, has anyone pimped the new addon sync feature in cc4 for people?
16:53.50Kaeltenwe need people to test it :)
16:54.03EthanCentauraineeds a cup of cocoa
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16:56.05GnarfozKaelten: what does it do?
16:56.14GnarfozI'm not pressing random buttons just to see what happens :D
16:56.33KaeltenGnarfoz: It will allow you to create online backups of your addons and sync them with multiple computers
16:56.35Kaeltenthink foxmarks
16:57.04durcynincluding savedvariables?
16:57.08Gnarfozwhat is foxmarks?
16:57.09Kaeltendurcyn: not yet
16:57.17KaeltenGnarfoz: bookmark sync service
16:57.20Gnarfoz(but I guess it is... bookmark sync)
16:57.22ZhinjioHeya Kaelten.
16:57.51durcynGnarfoz: xmarks.com
16:57.51durcynthey dropped the 'fo' portion when they released the plugins for other browsers, fwiw
16:58.07Kaeltenyeah
16:58.34BrunersKaelten: i'm testing and reporting :)
17:00.24KaeltenCool
17:00.26Kaeltengrabbing lunchh
17:00.42bluspacecow~time
17:00.43purlYou cannot understand nature's perfect time cube! (2009.06.30 17:00:43 GMT)
17:01.29Bruners~seen xinhuan
17:01.30purlxinhuan <n=xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9h 12m 37s ago, saying: 'i don't see how any other addon would set myframe.DoThisShitData'.
17:01.41Brunerswhat time zone is Xinhuan in?
17:02.08nevcairielsomething chinese
17:02.19TorhalTaiwan, I believe.
17:05.50BrunersGMT+6~8 maby then
17:06.50Gnarfozsingapore
17:07.13Gnarfoz+8
17:07.48Gnarfozthere should be a section about xinhuan on wikipedia's Singapore article.
17:08.01TorhalHah
17:08.47bluspacecowXD
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17:18.44Repo10ensidiafails: 03Maat * r67 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added: Overwhelming Power - The Iron Council
17:18.47RepoFix: Trade, General, LocalDefense stats reporting
17:20.07Repo10ensidiafails: 03Maat * r68 EnsidiaFails.lua: Fix: Trade, General, LocalDefense stats reporting
17:20.45Stanzillaawesome
17:20.55Stanzillafail reporting in trade chat :D
17:21.07Caleb|it was the stats
17:21.14Caleb|not the actual fails
17:21.19Stanzillaah ok
17:21.27Caleb|you don't even have trade chat inside an instance
17:21.35Caleb|silly Stanzilla
17:21.50StanzillaI know but...yeah ok :(
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17:34.17Repo10ensidiafails: 03Maat * r69 EnsidiaFails.lua:
17:34.19Repostats channel reporting fix (should definitely test more before committing)
17:37.28GnarfozCaleb|: testing is for the weak, ask Ackis, he has 450/450 Drycoding
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17:39.14yoshimoi think there is a generalchat for each instance
17:39.30Gnarfozof course there is
17:39.42nevcairielwho reads general chat?
17:40.03nevcairielits like fisker talking to himself
17:40.23Gnarfozit's scrub 10mans who wipe to FL distracting you while doing yogg
17:41.23Brunersin my old guild we got kicked from the raid for talking in the general chat:P
17:41.33Grumas you should :P
17:42.16Brunersthink it started with people talking in general chat during vash attempts instead of doing what they should be doing
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17:43.21Repo10ensidiafails: 03Maat * r70 EnsidiaFails.lua:
17:43.24Repoadded the missing options for Overwhelming Power (seriously, today is just not my day)
17:43.48Caleb|I kinda fail today
17:44.05Caleb|good that we only had yogg left for the reset
17:48.25NeoTronI'm just glad we got yogg:10+1 and not just got it buthad solid attempts all night
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17:49.18NeoTrontonight or tomorrow I hope we can finish Firefighter for mount + peek of algalon
17:55.51Pneumatushmm, rawr has decided that mp5/healcrit is better than int/mana restore meta for me :o
17:57.31Repo10ensidiafails: 03Maat 042.0 * r71 : Tagging as 2.0
17:57.38Gnarfozbold
17:57.49Caleb|you think so?
17:57.55Gnarfoztagging a major release 30 min after fucking up 3 commits
17:57.56Gnarfoz:D
17:58.04Gnarfoz2.1 is right around the corner, I bet :D
17:58.15Caleb|you are probably right
17:58.35Caleb|this day can't get much worse
17:58.38Caleb|so just gonna go with the flow
17:59.29Gnarfozwhat's the temperature like over there?
17:59.37Gnarfoz"over there" sounds like I'm american lol
17:59.52NeoTronso looking at the exodus yogg+0 video
18:00.02GnarfozNeoTron: old, IBTL
18:00.05NeoTronI know
18:00.07Gnarfozerr you were saying?
18:00.08Gnarfoz:D
18:00.23NeoTronbut that wasn't my point. anyhow looking at it I don't get how you can handle all those guardians to get a kill
18:00.26Caleb|well over here in Hungary, its 27 degrees, sun is going down little wind blowing, a bit cloudy
18:00.32Gnarfozwind
18:00.35Gnarfozenvy :<
18:00.42Caleb|its been raining on and off the couple of days, so its not THAT Hot
18:00.44GnarfozNeoTron: well... that's the point. you can't
18:00.50GnarfozCaleb|: RAIN?!
18:00.52Caleb|the swedes in the guild are dieing tho
18:00.55GnarfozCaleb|: I'm moving.
18:01.07Gnarfozsadly, I don't speak a word of hungarian :\
18:01.17Caleb|there doesn't goes one minute by without someone whining about how hot it is
18:01.33GnarfozI can see why
18:01.36Gnarfoz:D
18:01.37Caleb|most important word is "sör"
18:01.41NeoTronbecause AC isn't very common in Sweden
18:01.48Caleb|sör = beer
18:01.52GnarfozAC isn't common... anywhere outside US imho
18:02.07NeoTronin fact I don't recall being in a home in Sweden with AC ever
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18:02.19AKXNeoTron: but... but... high power DC transfer isn't very effective!
18:02.22Gnarfozhomes with AC, that sounds so America ;o
18:02.28GnarfozAKX: lol
18:03.30NeoTronGnarfoz: mind you, many places in the US are mostly AC less as well... like the Seattle area
18:04.01Gnarfozwell, I wouldn't know, my first hand experience is limited to SF, CA and Portland, OR
18:05.02nicoli_sman i loved san fran
18:05.46Gnarfozonly had 4 days of it
18:05.47Gnarfoz:<
18:06.35nicoli_si spent 2 seperate weeks there and loved it
18:06.41nicoli_seven though i was working the first week
18:06.42NeoTronabout. fucking. time
18:06.50NeoTrona single token for any armor piece
18:08.31NeoTronof course flipside is that it appears that only goes for hard mode 25 gear... with normal 10/25/hard 10 requiring badges
18:09.55AdirelleNeoTron: did I correctly understand ? AC = alternative current ?
18:10.02NeoTronair conditioning
18:10.09Adirelleso DC = ? xD
18:10.38NeoTronDEAD CURRENT
18:10.59NeoTronseriously though, AC is overloaded
18:11.07NeoTronpun not intended
18:11.28Adirelle^^
18:11.37Adirellethat reminds me of a xkcd strip
18:11.42Adirelleno pun intended
18:11.58Gnarfozthat's almost rule 34-ish these days
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18:19.39Adirelle~uTP
18:19.40purl[utp] Unshielded Twisted Pair
18:19.47Adirellegrmbl
18:20.58Adirelleµtorrent changelog is speaking about uTP, I don't know what is but I'd bet it is not Unshielded Twisted Pair
18:21.58Brunersmaby utorrent transfer protocol?
18:22.41Gnarfozfucking non-unicoders ;o
18:23.17nevcairieluTP (UDP torrenting)
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18:25.36Adirellenevcairiel won
18:26.35Adirellesorry Gnarfoz , I thought if was using Unicode already, still digging in x-chat options
18:27.03GnarfozAdirelle: huh? no, not you :)
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18:27.21Adirelleah ok
18:27.35GnarfozAdirelle: the people who are responsible for it being called 'utorrent' widely
18:27.40Adirelle(that would be weird, I just find the option again, and I am actually using UTF8)
18:27.53Gnarfozyeah, your's was perfectly legible for me, didn't mean that :)
18:31.02AdirelleBTW, about uTP: http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2008/12/utorrents-switch-to-udp-and-why-the-sky-isnt-falling.ars
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18:34.38Adirellescrew flash games that uses the WASD keys
18:35.35haste<PROTECTED>
18:35.49hasteespecially since WASD here is WARS
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18:36.25Brunerswhat was the name of that silly layout haste ?
18:36.43durcynsounds like dumbvorak
18:36.49Brunersnope
18:36.54Brunerssomething even more geeky
18:37.48Adirellehaste: here it becomes ZQSD
18:38.05hasteI don't use dvorak
18:38.12hasteBruners: colemak
18:40.28Brunersme likes http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13933-LonnyTooltip3PTR.html
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18:48.10Lutin`http://i40.tinypic.com/10mud54.jpg
18:48.16Lutin`So far I just have my bars set up
18:48.29Lutin`Haven't done any unit frame work yet
18:49.05Lutin`Currently I have it so that Shift, Alt and Control bring up different things on that center button panel
18:49.44Lutin`No Modifier: Damage, Shift: Buffs, Control: Heal, Alt: Bubbles and the like
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19:00.03fewynHmm... is there an addon that simplifies mass disenchanting everything in my bags? >_> *tends to buy a ton of greens to DE off the ah for dust to resell*
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19:02.01NeoTronanyone else find it ironic how Blizzard stated that the "one badge buys it all" system wasn't good in BC yet now are moving towards mostly-one badge system?
19:02.09fewynyes
19:02.18NeoTronmost >casual raiders will eb mostly forced to run daily dungeons at least for badges
19:02.28fewynbut then again i don't want to have to go through naxx for alts
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19:02.44Caleb|I think they ment that same badge from BT and Sunwell
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19:02.56Caleb|different tier of content shouldn't have same badge
19:03.15NeoTronCaleb|: but you have to admit you likely will eb doing daily dungeons for the triumph badges to remain as competetive as possible, heroic 25-man badges aside
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19:03.19Repo- Indicate if a member in your group is on your ignore list.
19:03.38Caleb|yeah that is something im not looking forward to NeoTron
19:03.45Caleb|hate heroics
19:03.48NeoTronand that's what they said they didn't "like"
19:04.12NeoTronand ofc ilevel 226 gear from 5-man heroics will make a lot more people feel "required" to run those as well
19:04.16Caleb|could be, sometimes its pretty hard to follow blizzards logic
19:04.26Speeddymonheroics will be dropping conquest, not triumph...
19:04.31sztanpetits the way to give people gear
19:04.34NeoTronthe flipside on vanq badges is that I'll be more able to get rep levels up on alts without feeling like it's totally wasted time otherwise
19:04.48sztanpetnot a big deal, raiders are still well ahead of the crowd
19:04.50NeoTronSpeeddymon: but the daily quests for dungeons are triumph
19:05.00Speeddymonreally??
19:05.01Speeddymondamn
19:05.02NeoTronyes
19:05.11NeoTronand the new 5-mans are triumph too I believe
19:05.14NeoTronbut not sure
19:05.28nevcairielthats 2 per day from the quest? not that much =P
19:05.30NeoTronyou can get full ilevel 245 T9 set with daily badge runs
19:05.49NeoTronnevcairiel: it's liklely more in a week than a run of the (normal) 10 man will give
19:06.02NeoTronnevcairiel: which means a 10 man raider is absolutely forced to run daily quests for badges
19:06.05Speeddymonwtf? so no t9 gear will drop in raids?
19:06.13NeoTronSpeeddymon: from the looks of it, only from heroic 25 man
19:06.22kadrahilso basically
19:06.24nevcairielnot like 10man has ever been hard :D
19:06.26Speeddymonbut... that'd be 9.5 then right?
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19:06.35kadrahilif you're in a guild doing heroic 25 man you will just have faster access to it
19:06.40NeoTronnevcairiel: that's not really the point - the point is I have to run 5 mans to get my raiding gear
19:06.48NeoTronSpeeddymon: theer are three tiers of T9
19:06.55Speeddymonomg
19:06.58nevcairielYou don't have to
19:06.59kadrahilwat?
19:07.02nevcairielonly if you're impatient
19:07.08NeoTronSpeeddymon: ilevel 232 (triumph badges), ilevel 245 (more triumph badges) and ilevel 259 (heroic 25 man)
19:07.16kadrahilNeoTron, are you on PTR?
19:07.26kadrahil(us)
19:07.27nevcairielthe first ones also drop in 10
19:07.42Pneumatusand 2 per heroic daily
19:07.43NeoTronnevcairiel: one piece of T9.245 would take 15 weeks to get (or 12) from nORMAL 10 man if each mob drops one badge...
19:08.06NeoTronnevcairiel: from the looks of mmo champion, the only "tier tokens" are for the 259 gear
19:08.18Pneumatusyeh there's no sign of lower tier tokens
19:08.20NeoTronkadrahil: I am but this is from mmo-champion datamining
19:08.24kadrahilNeoTron: ah ok
19:08.52NeoTronPneumatus: and yes, that's sort of the point - I have to run daily heroic dungeons to gear up for 10 man raiding now and it's not impatience
19:09.05NeoTronif I want a full set before the next expansion, given I don't do 25's anymore, I have to do it
19:09.06Pneumatusno, you do ulduar 10man to gear up
19:09.09NeoTronnto an option
19:09.24NeoTronulduar won't help me get Tier 9
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19:09.44NeoTronI'm already mostly full 25 man ulduar for dps, and half ulduar for tank (some 25, mostly 10 man)
19:10.03nevcairielmeh its all speculation
19:10.04kadrahilany eta on when they're going to start testing coliseum bosses on PTR?
19:10.12kadrahilor is that speculation too ;P
19:10.24durcynmight as well be never, if they ignore feedback like they did in ulduar
19:10.29kadrahilheh
19:11.09NeoTronnevcairiel: well perhaps so but that's what it looks like now. The big unknown is how many badges the raids will give
19:11.21kadrahilsigh
19:11.25NeoTronI could see them drop more badges than previous dungeons since the prices are a lot higher
19:11.52NeoTronand there are less bosses
19:12.01NeoTronofc I'll be doing heroic 10 man too
19:12.01kadrahilaren't there only 5 bosses?
19:12.07NeoTronI suspect theer will be 6
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19:12.15NeoTron5 in the area, one below (anub'arak)
19:12.20nevcairielif you do both 10man and 25-normal, you can do alot of raiding a week :P
19:12.22kadrahili'm actually looking forward to the vision fights
19:12.29NeoTronnevcairiel: yeah but I don't do 25's anymore
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19:12.37nevcairielI don't raid at all anymore
19:12.41nevcairielso its all good
19:12.42kadrahilD:
19:12.46kadrahili'm still doing it all
19:12.53kadrahilbut i kind of skipped 3.0 content
19:12.56kadrahilraid content at least
19:13.02nevcairieli don't even play anymore, i just login once a week or so to fix some addon
19:13.09kadrahilwell, i cleared naxx but i didn't care about doing any of the glory achievements
19:13.15nevcairielthe whole 3.0 and 3.1 deal was so boring
19:13.17nevcairielnothing special
19:13.31kadrahilicecrown is really all i care about at this point
19:13.40NeoTron10 man hard modes has renewed my interest a bit
19:13.48NeoTronenough to stick around for icecrown
19:13.54kadrahilyeah
19:14.02NeoTronI suspect once Arthras lies dead, my interest in wow will mostly stop
19:14.12kadrahil:(
19:14.23nevcairielI dunno, my guild was kinda on a low
19:14.26nevcairielraids were boring
19:14.34nevcairielso i just took a break for my exams
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19:14.38nevcairielbut i doubt i'll be going back
19:14.41nevcairieli don't miss it at all
19:15.32NeoTronI need something to spend my time on :P
19:15.40nevcairieli have enough of stuff to do
19:15.43nevcairiel-of
19:16.38nevcairielIts so relaxing to actually have the evenings off, no fixed appointments, no people that yell when you're just tired and want to leave early =p
19:16.45kadrahilNeoTron: i hear aion is looking pretty good!
19:16.53nevcairielMaybe i should change realm to some friends
19:16.55nevcairieland raid with them
19:17.02nevcairiel10man once a week
19:17.17Caleb|you can raid 25 man once a week too :D
19:17.24Repo10gridstatusignored: 03Cyprias * r3 GridStatusIgnored.lua: GridStatusIgnored: beta commit
19:17.28kadrahil^
19:17.53kadrahilwtb tanks to show up this week
19:17.55nevcairielI liked doing hardmodes and all .. but my guild had alot of good people leave, and the "new" guys just didnt play so good
19:18.09Brunersim considering transfering to haste's realm so that i can annoy him some
19:18.10kadrahilthat's rough :(
19:18.24nevcairielso i was like the one of best healers in the guild, and no matter how many people were online, i couldn't sit out a single night
19:18.32nevcairielwas pretty much stress, not fun =P
19:18.33Caleb|well have to say that happens everywher nevcairiel
19:18.42hasteoh shi-
19:18.47Caleb|even we are recruting too, since people are quiting
19:18.54nevcairieldid you hear, you can change factions soon
19:18.55hasteBruners: industrial is here already :D
19:19.03nevcairieli could annoy haste too!
19:19.08Caleb|yeah pretty sure we gonna get some Method and IS applies :D
19:19.08kadrahilooh
19:19.12Caleb|but its still far away
19:19.14kadrahilhah
19:19.24Brunersyou can change faction? o_O
19:19.28hastesoon yeh
19:19.30Caleb|will be able too
19:19.31Brunersthats kinda silly
19:19.33kadrahilyeah i was like, iniquitous and impervious merger inc, but that'll never happen
19:19.35Caleb|s/too/to/
19:19.36Repo10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1027 / (2 files in 2 directories): - Rake dot portion is now properly considered a bleed
19:19.45nevcairielhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031079410&sid=1
19:19.51Brunerstransform yourself from a tauren to a gnome?
19:19.57nevcairielI don't think i saw it on one of the news sites yet
19:20.03nevcairielhad to dig in the forums
19:20.29Caleb|http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=69505.0 nevcairiel :D
19:20.45nevcairielthat was posted an hour ago ? <.<
19:20.52durcynthat was posted yesterday
19:20.55nevcairieloh wait yesterday
19:21.06Caleb|24 +1 hour yes :D
19:21.21nevcairieltoo many news since then
19:21.25nevcairielpushed down way too far
19:21.39nevcairieli only read once a day now that i stopped raiding anyway =P
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19:23.31Brunershaste: what is your guild missing or lacking of character types?
19:24.35kadrahillast night on one of our firefighter attempts in like, phase 3
19:24.49kadrahili somehow got down to about 300 hp
19:24.57kadrahiland was across the room from the healers
19:25.10kadrahili lived.
19:25.11kadrahilthe end
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19:26.31durcynthat's why you're a HERO
19:28.16Caleb|more of an outcast
19:28.29Caleb|ore well most heros are outcasts
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19:33.42Fiskernevcairiel
19:33.47Fiskerpirates killed the lan star :(
19:34.13nevcairielis a pirate
19:34.27nevcairiela political pirate, though =P
19:34.56durcynyou can have a lan for $7.8 million, Fisker
19:35.54NivFreakt9 for emblems only? ewww
19:36.10Caleb|nah
19:36.12Caleb|universal tokens
19:36.16Caleb|read bit more up
19:36.22Caleb|1 token for buying all pieces
19:36.29NivFreakright, plus emblems
19:36.42Fisker<-fullblown pirate btw
19:36.43NivFreakoh wait
19:36.45Fiskeri'll pirate SC2 as well
19:36.51Caleb|I don't like the 1 token idea at all
19:36.54NivFreakoh I see
19:36.58Caleb|fckn Kungen gonna hogg all the tokens
19:36.59NivFreakthe lower tier stuff is emblems
19:37.08TorhalFisker: How are you pirating your WoW subscription?
19:37.09Caleb|don't like being on the Warrior Hunter Shaman token
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19:37.45FiskerTorhal i steal CC's for breakfeast
19:38.03durcynNivFreak: the 258 is from hard mode 25-man drop tokens
19:38.40FiskerI want the "what if"-machine
19:38.58FiskerMaybe it beat into people's thick skulls that anti-piracy is the cancer killing anti-piracy
19:39.16RootssHello, I m still looking for an addon that ensure that I got my 5 stack of Devastate, Tclap +Co shout or B shout on. Any suggestion ?
19:39.41Caleb|Rootss Pitbull
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19:39.51durcynRootss: Utopia.
19:39.55RootssCaleb| kk, I look at
19:40.26durcynpitbull is unitframes that just so happen to have aura displays, utopia monitors debuff categories and displays the status regardless of the source
19:40.32durcyni highly recommend you get utopia.
19:40.44Rootsskk, I look at it.
19:41.04durcynhell, i highly recommend anyone who looks at a raid zone cross-eyed get utopia.
19:42.38Caleb|@describe utopia
19:42.39RepoCaleb|: http://www.wowace.com/projects/utopia/. Utopia. Utopia (aka: ZOMGDebuffs) In a perfect world, all fights would have all debuffs applied. Given the many changes to WoW with the 3.0.2 patch, I've put together this little mod to show what the...
19:44.02Fiskerhey nevcairiel
19:44.20nevcairielhuh?
19:44.41FiskerI make so much money that even if Starcraft 2 were to be the most successful game in the world, it would still be a drop in the water compared to the shitload of money we rake in on WoW
19:44.46FiskerBut i'm scared of pirates ;(
19:45.39kadrahilyou need to alleviate your piratephobia
19:45.46kadrahili suggest a picture of a pirate on your wall
19:45.48kadrahiland punching it
19:45.50kadrahilrepeatedly
19:46.43durcynFisker already has a blow up doll with an eyepatch
19:46.52durcynwhat more do you want from him?
19:47.00kadrahilbut he doesn't exactly punch that
19:47.21Fiskeri'm a violent lover kadrahil
19:47.24Caleb|not with his fist
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19:53.03Xinhuanhmm i just noticed my wow.exe is using 70% CPU on both my cores
19:55.57kadrahilkeylogged
19:56.04kadrahilor
19:56.05kadrahilit's skynet
19:56.11Torhalkadrahil: You should change your name to keylogged
19:56.19kadrahilTorhal: why :(
19:56.27TorhalYou like that word
19:56.32kadrahili do?
19:56.52TorhalHrm. I could have sworn I'd sen you say it a few times over the past few days.
19:56.57Torhals/sen/seen/
19:56.59kadrahilnope
19:57.08TorhalOwell. My mistake.
19:57.11kadrahil:)
19:57.47kadrahilTorhal: i pretty much only talk to ck about random jquery stuff
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20:19.51sylvanaar2000 movies on one disk
20:20.30sylvanaar1.5TB optical disk - almost big enough for arrowmaster's porn collection
20:22.09sylvanaarhttp://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/23/beyond-blu-ray-2000-movies-on-one-disc/
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20:31.05EthanCentaurainow that's harsh Syl :P
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20:38.05RootssBtw,  thanks for the tip about utopia. Nice addon.
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20:56.17Repo10arl: 03Torhal * r2178 ARLDatamine.lua:
20:56.20RepoIn addon:ScanVendor(): Hide the datamine tooltip when done. Fixes ticket #677
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21:18.00Repo10broker-recount-statistics: 03Tristanian * r18 / (3 files in 2 directories): - Consolidated stats table return functions.
21:18.04Repo- Updated koKR localization.
21:18.06Repo- Fix pkgmeta.
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22:14.51Repo10tomquest2: 03gagou * r159 / (3 files in 1 directory): enhancement to raid mode (need some tests)
22:14.54Repoenhancement to quests and achievements trackers
22:14.57Repoadd color config for achievement tracker (not yet fully functional even is config is done)
22:15.48Repo10tomquest2: 03gagou * r160 tomQuest2.toc: add button facade to toc
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22:43.13Repo10arl: 03pompachomp * r2179 RecipeDB/ARL-Trainer.lua: added more missing trainers
22:46.12Repo10arl: 03pompachomp * r2180 Locals/testenUS.lua: forgot to localize the trainer names that were added.
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22:48.03thulhttp://cable.traidor.com/~traid/4chan/1237518206617.jpg
22:48.06thulwas that you Fisker ?
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22:52.50thulwhat combat log addon do you guys recommend?
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22:55.39Gainhi
22:55.51Gaindoes the auto hide for cast bars not work in pitbull4?
22:56.15ShefkiIt does.
22:57.15Gainit isn't disappearing though
22:58.08Shefkia) You're sure you're changing the right profile.
22:58.24Shefkib) There is a bug where it breaks sometimes but it's pretty rare and I haven't figured out what's cuasing it.
22:58.32ShefkiIn light of b what's this show:
22:58.46Shefki<PROTECTED>
22:59.59Gainheh it's because I am in config mode
23:00.18ShefkiRight.  It's on in config mode.
23:00.50TorhalShefki: Party pet frames are freaking out on occasion. Was in H UP last night - only party member with a pet was another Warlock, but every once in awhile phantom pet frames would appear and vanish next to the other party members' frames.
23:01.39TorhalWish I could have pinpointed a specific thing that was causing it
23:01.40ShefkiTorhal: Only happens when pets are created (player with a pet zones in, pet gets summoned, etc).  I haven't managed to figure out what's causing it.
23:01.47TorhalAh
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23:26.50thulbut seriously, what kind of mutilates will this make: http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=48442 ?
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23:42.18Repo10sdkp: 03ddumont * r133 newui.lua: Bugs with wispercommands and stuff...
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23:54.16mitchnullerm. the fire in undercity keeps damaging me instead of going out. what am I doing wrong?
23:55.12Repo10sdkp: 03ddumont * r134 events.lua: MOAR BUGS
23:55.25Repo10sdkp: 03ddumont * r135 whispercommands.lua: MOAR BUGS
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