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| 00:39.04 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03TrAsHeR * r1920 Locales/constants.fr.lua: frFR update |
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| 00:50.41 | Repo | 10kg-panels: 03kagaro 04v1.23 * r308 : Tagging as v1.23 |
| 00:50.44 | Repo | onClick now provides a pressed and released local variable. so you can determine if the user clicked! |
| 00:55.03 | Axodious | woo battle.net is live ;o |
| 00:55.15 | Axodious | wonder how long its been up |
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| 00:59.15 | NivFreak | today |
| 00:59.53 | NivFreak | I'm sort of wondering if I should convert to them before they make me |
| 00:59.57 | NivFreak | the restrictions are strange |
| 01:00.18 | NivFreak | and I have a couple of accounts that weren't mine originally, but I took over them to avoid paying for another copy of wow |
| 01:00.29 | NivFreak | so they have different names on them |
| 01:01.57 | NivFreak | I'm also sort of curious what happens when you merge two accounts, and login |
| 01:02.09 | NivFreak | do I select which account's characters to access? |
| 01:02.45 | Arrowmaster | they allowed merging of wow accounts and battle.net accounts finally? |
| 01:02.53 | NivFreak | yes |
| 01:02.58 | NivFreak | it's active for both EU and US |
| 01:03.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont see anything about it on the site |
| 01:03.09 | NivFreak | are you US? |
| 01:03.15 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:03.26 | NivFreak | http://us.battle.net/ |
| 01:03.31 | NivFreak | make an account, log in |
| 01:03.36 | NivFreak | there's a merge option at the top of the page |
| 01:03.41 | NivFreak | same as what we had for wrath beta |
| 01:04.08 | Arrowmaster | *sigh* |
| 01:04.15 | Arrowmaster | its still linked to email |
| 01:04.16 | Arrowmaster | gay |
| 01:04.59 | NivFreak | yea |
| 01:05.13 | NivFreak | ******@************.*** |
| 01:05.16 | NivFreak | that will suck to type |
| 01:05.30 | Arrowmaster | i fucking hate account systems that depend on email |
| 01:05.37 | ckknight | why, Arrowmaster? |
| 01:05.38 | Arrowmaster | what if you change emails |
| 01:05.41 | ckknight | it acts as a global identifier |
| 01:05.49 | ckknight | you should've stuck with gmail. |
| 01:05.51 | ckknight | <.< |
| 01:05.53 | ckknight | >.> |
| 01:06.00 | Arrowmaster | fuck that i have my own domains for a reason |
| 01:06.21 | Arrowmaster | but still |
| 01:06.48 | Repo | 10tomquest2: 03gagou * r78 / (4 files in 1 directory): bugfix in questsInformations module |
| 01:06.50 | Repo | early support for mob tooltip with mobmap item droprate integration |
| 01:06.55 | Arrowmaster | i abandoned my original steam account because it was from when account names had to be email addresses and there is no way to rename them |
| 01:07.27 | Arrowmaster | i still have that email but i dont want an account name forced to be my email and unchangable |
| 01:08.52 | Arrowmaster | If you change your primary email address in Battle.net Account Management, the Battle.net account name will change automatically, and you will log in using the updated email address. All of your game associations and online Blizzard Store purchases will stay linked to the account, and you will not have to create a new account, re-merge any World of Warcraft subscriptions, or re-purchase any games. |
| 01:09.01 | Arrowmaster | atleast thats better than the old steam situation |
| 01:10.31 | Arrowmaster | now why doesnt my account from wrath beta work |
| 01:10.44 | Gnarfoz | because |
| 01:10.58 | Gnarfoz | those were called "temporary Blizzard accounts" |
| 01:11.03 | Gnarfoz | if you recall ;) |
| 01:16.43 | Arrowmaster | anybody else notice section XV of the battle.net TOU |
| 01:17.15 | ulic | "All your base are belong to us."? |
| 01:21.09 | Shefki | You know the one problem I see with this is... |
| 01:21.18 | Shefki | Why the hell are they having people use the email add their login info. |
| 01:21.40 | Shefki | Doesn't this just make it easier for the key loggers to try and stop people getting control of their account back? |
| 01:30.55 | pentium166 | Sorry to interrupt battle.net account talk, but I just got a new monitor and now my nameplates are the size of Texas. Is there any way to resize the standard nameplates at all? |
| 01:31.27 | Zhinjio | the "V" key |
| 01:31.28 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 01:31.47 | Gnarfoz | pentium166: there isn't |
| 01:31.49 | pentium166 | that's great if you're raiding, not so useful for PVP healing :p |
| 01:32.22 | pentium166 | Also the V key is bound to totemic recall! |
| 01:32.36 | pentium166 | Gnarfoz: that's too bad |
| 01:33.31 | pentium166 | hmm. my combat text is probably going to be huge too |
| 01:34.08 | pentium166 | yep! |
| 01:34.19 | NivFreak | pentium166: UI scale |
| 01:34.21 | NivFreak | right? |
| 01:34.27 | NivFreak | or does that not hit nameplates |
| 01:35.10 | Gnarfoz | doesn't affect nameplates probably |
| 01:35.41 | NivFreak | I'd imagine you can modify size with Aloft |
| 01:35.47 | Gnarfoz | I've actually not tried because UI scale is closely related to "the beast", or as other people call him "the devil", "satan" etc. :p |
| 01:36.29 | Gnarfoz | nameplates are a special case in several ways, so I guess "try it" is as good as any answer |
| 01:36.31 | pentium166 | UI scale doesn't affect nameplates or combat text |
| 01:36.49 | NivFreak | well, aloft and msbt it is |
| 01:36.56 | NivFreak | oh wait |
| 01:36.58 | NivFreak | is aloft dead? |
| 01:36.58 | pentium166 | I can do smaller nameplates with Aloft but I was trying to avoid using it |
| 01:37.10 | pentium166 | the one on curse is from october, there's a beta on wowi |
| 01:37.17 | NivFreak | yea, I just noticed |
| 01:37.20 | Gnarfoz | NivFreak: no it's alive and kicking |
| 01:37.28 | NivFreak | and I've avoided aloft because it's always killed my performance |
| 01:37.34 | Gnarfoz | how would it do that? oO |
| 01:37.52 | pentium166 | and I meant the in-world combat text, not the scrolling combat text ripoff |
| 01:38.05 | Gnarfoz | what in-world combat text :D |
| 01:38.14 | Gnarfoz | you mean Blizzard FCT? |
| 01:38.18 | pentium166 | the one that i've been using since the game came out |
| 01:38.19 | Gnarfoz | or "damage numbers" |
| 01:38.23 | pentium166 | damage numbers |
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| 01:38.48 | NivFreak | I was playing on the PTR with default SCT, talk about terrifying |
| 01:39.16 | Gnarfoz | FCT :> |
| 01:39.20 | pentium166 | I think I've been running without any SCT for a while now |
| 01:39.45 | NivFreak | I basically couldn't stand it when I rolled a paladin |
| 01:39.50 | pentium166 | I ended up tuning it out unless I was watching for windfury crits or something |
| 01:39.59 | pentium166 | So now it's gone. |
| 01:40.25 | NivFreak | the biggest thing I love about MSBT (and I'm sure other mods do) is giving me a single SCT message for things like shockwave |
| 01:40.32 | pentium166 | But I like seeing damage or healing numbers over the head of the affected target |
| 01:40.35 | NivFreak | 10,222 dmg (5 targets) |
| 01:40.35 | WobWork | aye grouping is great |
| 01:40.48 | NivFreak | pentium166: yes, I like that as well |
| 01:40.51 | NivFreak | but it's a tradeoff |
| 01:41.06 | WobWork | actually, watching triple explosive shot crits is just pretty |
| 01:41.15 | WobWork | *BOOM BOOM BOOM!* |
| 01:41.27 | NivFreak | I just love getting a 30,000dmg sct for a shockwave |
| 01:41.46 | WobWork | NivFreak: I do that for howling blast =) |
| 01:42.02 | WobWork | Razuvious debuff ftw |
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| 01:42.12 | NivFreak | lol |
| 01:42.20 | NivFreak | I thunderclapped down all the adds a couple weeks ago |
| 01:42.25 | pentium166 | I need to get an epic 2H so I can see how big I can get my combined windfury numbers on Loatheb |
| 01:42.48 | NivFreak | can you use 2H'd maces? |
| 01:42.57 | pentium166 | maces and axes |
| 01:43.00 | NivFreak | then craft one :) |
| 01:43.07 | WobWork | titansteel destroyer =P |
| 01:43.10 | WobWork | (I think) |
| 01:43.11 | NivFreak | yep |
| 01:43.14 | pentium166 | that's a waste of the titansteel that's sitting in my bank doing nothing |
| 01:43.28 | WobWork | which is just sitting in your bank... accruing interest? |
| 01:43.33 | NivFreak | I think I'm going to try aloft out again |
| 01:43.35 | pentium166 | i wish! |
| 01:43.43 | WobWork | Spend it then =P |
| 01:43.44 | NivFreak | I have a pretty beefy ass machine now days |
| 01:43.46 | sacarasc | Best thing to do is steal the staff from Kel'Thuzad from your hunters/druids. |
| 01:43.58 | sacarasc | They don't need it, and your use is more fun! |
| 01:44.19 | pentium166 | I was going out every day for a while and using my titansteel cooldown so I have like 36 bars |
| 01:44.39 | WobWork | what are you going to use it on? =P |
| 01:45.06 | pentium166 | I figured epics to put on the AH, but I've got 8k gold and nothing really to buy, so it's just sitting |
| 01:45.37 | WobWork | You should transfer to Proudmoore and mail me some gold =) |
| 01:45.44 | pentium166 | :p |
| 01:45.59 | WobWork | I have alts to feed =( |
| 01:47.00 | WobWork | what weapon are you using atm? |
| 01:47.07 | pentium166 | I wonder if there's a reason microsoft.com is the default text in the IE8 compatibility view options |
| 01:47.35 | pentium166 | calamity's grasp/angry dread/crafted caster mace |
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| 01:48.28 | NivFreak | KT loot is touchy for me |
| 01:48.32 | NivFreak | we've never had a last laugh drop |
| 01:48.34 | NivFreak | still =/ |
| 01:49.19 | pentium166 | i'm just happy that i managed to get my naxx25 weapons before the guild we were raiding with absorbed 10 people from another guild and dropped us |
| 01:50.18 | pentium166 | on the plus side, i am now free to spend my 35 valor tokens on pvp shoulders |
| 01:51.28 | pentium166 | god I hope there are slow 1h axes in ulduar |
| 01:51.41 | NivFreak | A: After you log in to World of Warcraft using the Battle.net Account, you will be prompted to select which of the merged World of Warcraft accounts you wish to play. Players with multiple World of Warcraft accounts are still able to log in and play them simultaneously. |
| 01:51.47 | NivFreak | well that answers one of my questions |
| 01:52.00 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * 7d0348d Modules/Aura/Filter.lua: [+1 commit] Apply aura filter updates from Anseur. |
| 01:52.25 | sacarasc | Similar for us, NivFreak. We've not had the caster mace drop yet. |
| 01:52.43 | Repo | 10prescription: 03Starinnia * r110 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 01:52.46 | Repo | -add ruRU locale, thanks Hemathio! (still a few menu strings left, but checks will work now) |
| 01:53.11 | NivFreak | sacarasc: we've seen 3 or 4 |
| 01:53.17 | NivFreak | 4 BoHs I think |
| 01:53.18 | NivFreak | 2 TTs |
| 01:53.36 | NivFreak | I think there are 4 items we've never seen drop |
| 01:53.43 | NivFreak | pally belt off patchwerk |
| 01:53.49 | NivFreak | healing ring on sapphron |
| 01:53.54 | NivFreak | last laugh and melee dps cloak on KT |
| 01:53.55 | Shefki | So has anyone switched their account to a battle.net account? |
| 01:54.02 | Shefki | Is there the pet they did in beta for doing it? |
| 01:54.04 | NivFreak | Shefki: I'm scared to :) |
| 01:54.17 | Shefki | Yeah kinda the same. |
| 01:54.59 | NivFreak | I'm concerned about merging accounts with different names |
| 01:54.59 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 01:55.00 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r356 / (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 01:55.03 | Repo | bug http://www.wowace.com/projects/ice-hud/tickets/16-visual-heal-support/ - added support for LibHealComm by request. not included with the mod, but listed as an opt dep |
| 01:55.06 | Repo | - added LDB support by request/from user-submitted code. this basically will only work if a mod that loads before icehud has LDB included |
| 01:55.34 | NivFreak | Parnic: wtb spell cast icons =( |
| 01:55.50 | sacarasc | I think I'm using battle.net now. Or I just signed in on the battle.net site using my WoW info. |
| 01:57.15 | NivFreak | Parnic: I'll love you long time |
| 01:58.10 | Parnic | nivfreak: i don't even play any more :( |
| 01:58.19 | NivFreak | Parnic: that makes me sad =/ |
| 01:58.25 | NivFreak | I like IceHUD |
| 01:58.43 | NeoTron | great so I guess I ahve a blizzard account but I have no clue what my password is |
| 01:58.50 | NeoTron | nor do I know the secret question answer :P |
| 01:58.59 | NivFreak | Parnic: you stole my buisness from ckknight |
| 01:59.08 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 01:59.12 | Parnic | lol |
| 01:59.14 | ckknight | ? |
| 01:59.32 | NivFreak | I ditched most of pitbull for icehud :P |
| 01:59.40 | NivFreak | Parnic: if I buy you a game card, will you add spell cast icons? :)_ |
| 01:59.42 | ckknight | bah |
| 01:59.46 | ckknight | oh well |
| 01:59.54 | NivFreak | ckknight: I still use it for MTs and focus :) |
| 01:59.57 | Parnic | nivfreak: my account is still active |
| 02:00.00 | NivFreak | Parnic: ah |
| 02:00.04 | NivFreak | Parnic: got bored? :P |
| 02:00.15 | NivFreak | ckknight: oh, and pets |
| 02:00.19 | Parnic | nothing to do, i have 2 80's and don't want to level my other 3 70's up to 80 |
| 02:00.31 | NivFreak | I'm working on #3 now |
| 02:00.47 | Parnic | i'll think about the icons thing...not sure why you'd want them, tbh :P |
| 02:00.53 | Parnic | afk though |
| 02:00.53 | NivFreak | do you raid? |
| 02:00.57 | Parnic | nah |
| 02:01.02 | NivFreak | arena? |
| 02:01.08 | Parnic | used to, at 70. not any more |
| 02:01.12 | Parnic | get absolutely destroyed in 2 seconds |
| 02:01.21 | NivFreak | mainly it's just the fact that you learn and can react much faster to images than text |
| 02:01.38 | NivFreak | also, text is sort of hard to read over the disco ball that is a raid boss |
| 02:02.06 | WobWork | and if boss is big |
| 02:02.08 | WobWork | and you are a tank |
| 02:02.12 | NivFreak | <-- MT |
| 02:02.12 | WobWork | all you can see is crotch anyway |
| 02:02.37 | NivFreak | I always say, tanking with spell detail at max, is like trying to rape a disco ball |
| 02:03.07 | NivFreak | Parnic: I could give you the perfect example of why it's really important if you had raided black temple |
| 02:03.08 | pentium166 | or find which way a mob is facing in a pack of mobs |
| 02:03.13 | pentium166 | that's always fun too |
| 02:03.17 | waallen | Can you edit the font size of the buff/debuff timers in Pitbull4's auras? |
| 02:03.45 | NivFreak | pentium166: clearly just taunt and back up, then you know! |
| 02:03.47 | WobWork | hm, can aloft mark if a mob is not focused on you? |
| 02:03.55 | pentium166 | i'm a shaman! |
| 02:03.58 | NivFreak | WobWork: sounds like it does |
| 02:04.06 | WobWork | I'll have to install that... |
| 02:04.13 | NeoTron | sweet |
| 02:04.16 | pentium166 | my only taunts are on a 20 minute cooldown or a 3 minute cooldown and get everyone killed |
| 02:04.17 | NeoTron | merged accounts = FTW |
| 02:04.23 | NeoTron | get a little box to select which account to use |
| 02:04.24 | NivFreak | NeoTron: I'm scard |
| 02:04.26 | NivFreak | scared |
| 02:05.35 | NivFreak | ckknight: hrmm, I could probably abuse pitbull to create a frame that was just a portrait, or just a castbar couldn't I |
| 02:05.44 | NeoTron | I braved it and it workified |
| 02:05.46 | ckknight | NivFreak: yea. |
| 02:06.00 | NivFreak | I might have to play with that a bit |
| 02:09.30 | NeoTron | ah so if you log out you still need to enter password to log into the other account |
| 02:09.49 | NeoTron | however once you got the list of accounts once it appears to remember them so you get a dropdown right on the main page under the account name |
| 02:17.03 | ulic | why the heck is the GM Issue box so big when I can only type text into about 1/3 of it, lame. |
| 02:17.27 | Shefki | They use twitter for GM tickets. |
| 02:21.47 | Zhinjio | Zarnivoop: do you want me to submit tickets to the project for tracking parry/dodge statistics? |
| 02:22.16 | Zhinjio | Zarnivoop: for skada, I mean |
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| 02:25.14 | Lukian | Chatter-1.0\Modules\DelayGMOTD.lua:16: bad argument #1 to 'strmatch' (string expected, got nil) |
| 02:25.15 | Lukian | Chatter-1.0\Modules\DelayGMOTD.lua:16: in function <Interface\AddOns\Chatter\Modules\DelayGMOTD.lua:15> |
| 02:25.38 | Lukian | also |
| 02:25.38 | Lukian | LibBabble-3.0-2:51: LibBabble-Zone-3.0: Translation "Dalaran Arena" not found. |
| 02:25.39 | Lukian | LibTourist-3.0-90083:3325: in main chunk |
| 02:27.22 | Hjalte | Lukian: Someone seems to have added Dalaran Arena to LibTourist without checking if it errored. |
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| 02:30.41 | Lukian | yeah I thought as much XD |
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| 02:43.22 | digmouse | Does Pitbull4 support click-casting things like Clique? |
| 02:43.59 | NivFreak | I don't think it has to support them :P |
| 02:44.34 | digmouse | but according to clique, frame mods need to setup clickcasting |
| 02:45.02 | NivFreak | well, it works with pb3 at least |
| 02:45.13 | NivFreak | I thought clique just hooked any frame that gets created by default |
| 02:45.31 | Hjalte | PB4 supports it. I think everything does, as Nivfreak says. |
| 02:46.03 | digmouse | ah, then GRID is gone for me :P |
| 02:46.19 | NivFreak | you're nuts :P |
| 02:47.49 | digmouse | My main a hunter does not need thingy like GRID :P but my alt an resto druid does |
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| 03:02.38 | Hjalte | Can you still put honor shoulder enchants on BoA shoulders? |
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| 03:14.02 | tjs | anyone here responsible for underhood? |
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| 03:26.22 | digmouse | Hjalte: does that thing has a level limit? |
| 03:26.51 | Hjalte | digmouse: I tested it a few minutes ago. It still works, but they might fight it in 3.1 if I remember correctly. |
| 03:27.23 | digmouse | if that thing has level limit, then it wont work in 3.1 I think |
| 03:30.26 | Arrowmaster | Repo: poke |
| 03:30.29 | Arrowmaster | @ping |
| 03:30.29 | Repo | pong |
| 03:30.37 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: repo broke i think |
| 03:30.43 | ckknight | noes |
| 03:30.55 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 03:31.03 | Arrowmaster | why is irc reporting disabled on libtourist-3-0 |
| 03:31.10 | ckknight | shrugs |
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| 03:31.50 | tjs | is there any reason why the lua runtime in wow would act differently under linux ? |
| 03:32.00 | Arrowmaster | ah nevcairiel did it when he was making the mass library toc update but didnt change it back |
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| 03:42.16 | Arrowmaster | Lukian: that chatter error has to be caused by another addon |
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| 03:45.50 | Lukian | Arrowmaster, hmm suggestions? |
| 03:46.18 | Arrowmaster | no clue, something is calling ChatFrame1:AddMessage(nil) |
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| 03:49.15 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Happen to have a usable Irssi config lying around? |
| 03:49.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont use irssi that often |
| 03:49.51 | Torhal | Ah. Then I guess I'll be unlazy. |
| 03:50.13 | Torhal | Just finished setting up my new machine and getting WoW to work under Wine, so I feel like being lazy. |
| 03:50.22 | Arrowmaster | im one of those weird people that likes the command line but prefers gui chat clients and text editors |
| 03:50.35 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 03:51.09 | Torhal | I'm rather pissed about the motherboard, though...was supposed to have integrated nVidia...has a fucking ATI Radeon 3100 instead |
| 03:51.18 | Torhal | So I'll have to buy a real card sooner than I expected |
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| 03:55.49 | Repo | Fix string.match error if something calls ChatFrame1:AddMessage(nil) before the GMOTD is found |
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| 04:08.13 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster: can probably nil out the module from memory too, after the gmotd has been found ;p |
| 04:08.30 | WobWork | hehe best /. thread comment ever |
| 04:08.32 | WobWork | "My favourite from the list: files.kavefish.com/pictures/collections/funny_cat_pictures/_index-list.html |
| 04:08.32 | WobWork | It's just funny cat pictures and nothing suggets there's ever been anything else." |
| 04:08.34 | Xinhuan | at least, as much as possible |
| 04:08.41 | WobWork | reply: "Well, it's understandable why they blocked it - it's kitty porn. /me ducks." |
| 04:09.31 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: its an module, i dont think you can safely remove it |
| 04:09.53 | Xinhuan | just nil out the module functions |
| 04:10.01 | Xinhuan | the module and option tables can remain |
| 04:14.19 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * 5405719 GroupHeader.lua: [+1 commit] UpdateShownState needs to be delayed till we're out of combat. |
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| 04:23.21 | Repo | - Added sound effect when a new bid arrives. |
| 04:23.24 | Repo | - Made the highest bid priority the default choice. |
| 04:23.27 | Repo | - Added a bid timer countdown to the dialog. |
| 04:23.30 | Repo | - Auto-close the dialog when bidding is over. |
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| 04:27.01 | Torhal | Feh |
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| 04:31.10 | Repo | 10ihml: 03Ackis 07master * v2.3-4-g0d892df / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Add Blue Sky Logging Ground bandage quest |
| 04:37.24 | Shefki | ihml? |
| 04:38.44 | Torhal | Shefki: I Have Macro LOL |
| 04:39.14 | Shefki | I came up with I Hate My Life |
| 04:39.29 | Torhal | Well, this IS Ackis we're talking about. |
| 04:39.31 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:40.07 | Torhal | I need to find a decent video player for Linux. Totem just doesn't cut it. |
| 04:41.09 | Shefki | VLC |
| 04:41.27 | Torhal | Checking it. Danke. |
| 04:41.40 | Shefki | Runs on anything, it's what I use on everything. |
| 04:46.14 | WobWork | weirdest name for an addon ever |
| 04:46.29 | WobWork | Shouldn't it be I Can Has Macro, LOL? |
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| 04:51.16 | Zhinjio | I need someone who understand dmg mechanics very well. |
| 04:51.18 | Zhinjio | any takers? |
| 04:51.23 | Zhinjio | Hey Torhal |
| 04:52.09 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Yola. |
| 04:52.22 | Torhal | Got a new board/processor, so I'm back on Linux. |
| 04:54.43 | Zhinjio | woot! |
| 04:55.02 | Zhinjio | all my tax return money is going towards getting my teeth removed/patched/fixed. |
| 04:55.12 | Zhinjio | so it'll be awhile before I get any upgrades |
| 04:55.33 | Torhal | Gah...you just reminded me that's what I need to do as well...at some point... |
| 04:55.57 | Zhinjio | Its pretty insane how much some stuff costs |
| 04:56.20 | quiescens | argh at trying to read proprietary disc image formats in linux |
| 04:56.29 | Zhinjio | they also promote the wrong behavior: Remove (extraction = $165), Root Canal + Crown = $2000 |
| 04:56.33 | Zhinjio | I mean, wtf. |
| 04:56.53 | Zhinjio | fuckin' remove 'em all. |
| 04:56.55 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 04:57.21 | Zhinjio | I hate teeth. I want them to completely replaced with metal ones |
| 04:57.30 | Zhinjio | or amalgam or whatever composite they're using nowadays |
| 05:09.22 | Torhal | Ok, since I'm obviously not going to be using uTorrent anymore...does anyone know of a viable (RSS-enabled) alternative for Linux? |
| 05:09.34 | Zhinjio | so here's my dmg mechanics question |
| 05:09.57 | Zhinjio | I have +9% to dmg due to spec |
| 05:10.11 | Zhinjio | does this get applied BEFORE the AP addition to dmg or AFTER? |
| 05:11.40 | Zhinjio | likewise, Vengeance (pally) applies either 3/6 or 9% boost to physical and holy dmg |
| 05:11.46 | Zhinjio | same question for that |
| 05:11.56 | Zhinjio | applied at the end? Or applied before AP adjustment? |
| 05:14.31 | Zhinjio | I believe all these adjustments happen before Boss armor dmg reduction as well |
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| 05:16.34 | cncfanatics | could anyone help me figure what some of our healers are doing wrong ? :p http://wowwebstats.com/fiw6jzzoziwke Sakari & Asclepius are WAY ahead of the rest and it anoys me >.> |
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| 05:17.30 | Repo | 0cc8d8d: Add Engineering enchants. |
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| 05:17.36 | Repo | c22f1ba: Consistency updates, and preparation for favorites list. |
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| 05:17.56 | cncfanatics | anyone ? :( |
| 05:18.47 | Zhinjio | I'm looking |
| 05:19.10 | cncfanatics | \o/ |
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| 05:25.55 | Zhinjio | Asclepius compared to Sinweave and Rockervi is drastically different in what spells they're using |
| 05:26.03 | Zhinjio | Asclepius' mana regen must be insane |
| 05:26.17 | cncfanatics | they all have about the same gear iirc |
| 05:26.19 | cncfanatics | *checks* |
| 05:26.19 | Zhinjio | look at the instances of FoL vs. Holy Light |
| 05:26.36 | Zhinjio | Holy Shock use looks about the same. |
| 05:26.43 | Zhinjio | there isn't another priest to compare to |
| 05:26.50 | Zhinjio | so that I can't relaly look at |
| 05:26.51 | cncfanatics | kannin / sakari are the two healing priests |
| 05:26.58 | Zhinjio | hmm |
| 05:27.44 | cncfanatics | to me it just looks like kannin ain't casting often enough |
| 05:28.07 | Zhinjio | he's like 30% idle. |
| 05:28.10 | Zhinjio | or a bit less |
| 05:28.24 | Zhinjio | doesn't use prayer of healing at all |
| 05:28.37 | Zhinjio | his raw min/max numbers are slightly smaller |
| 05:28.49 | cncfanatics | ya his gear is slightly worse |
| 05:28.58 | cncfanatics | but he needs to shape up too it seems |
| 05:29.05 | cncfanatics | wish I had another druid to compare Storm to >.> |
| 05:29.07 | Zhinjio | *nods* I would agree |
| 05:29.26 | cncfanatics | http://www.armory-light.com/eu/Bronze%20Dragonflight/Rockervi/ http://www.armory-light.com/eu/Bronze%20Dragonflight/Asclepius/ http://www.armory-light.com/eu/Bronze%20Dragonflight/Sinweave/ |
| 05:29.37 | cncfanatics | what defines HL or FoL being used as main spell btw ? |
| 05:29.43 | cncfanatics | all our paladins have about same quality gear |
| 05:30.14 | Zhinjio | whatever Asclepius is doing, he's using the bigger Holy light WAY more often than the others |
| 05:30.35 | Zhinjio | I can't imagine he's using out-of-fsr regen |
| 05:30.39 | Zhinjio | pallies... don't do that |
| 05:30.43 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 05:30.48 | cncfanatics | I don't know much about pallies though |
| 05:30.53 | cncfanatics | I thought they just had to spam HL fulltime >.> |
| 05:31.02 | Zhinjio | he's gotta have some sick regen or crit |
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| 05:31.06 | Repo | 6c4f7a9: Fix ticket 290: Experience bar text sticking after bar removal. |
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| 05:31.25 | cncfanatics | he's at 30% crit |
| 05:31.43 | WobWork | tasty 35% crit |
| 05:31.58 | cncfanatics | mmm, 30% crit from gear, that be 35 with talents idd |
| 05:32.08 | Zhinjio | he's critting holy light 45% of the time. |
| 05:32.19 | cncfanatics | oO, pallies get 15% crit from talents ? |
| 05:32.40 | WobWork | he has 34% holy crit |
| 05:33.02 | Zhinjio | sinweave 43%, rockervi 40% |
| 05:33.06 | Zhinjio | so thats not that different |
| 05:33.11 | Zhinjio | he's just using HL way more |
| 05:33.19 | cncfanatics | mmm, think I'm gonna talk asclepius to talk to rockervi & sinweave |
| 05:33.43 | cncfanatics | as said, they all have about same quality gear, being naxx 25 quality |
| 05:33.49 | Zhinjio | do y'all know anything about the dmg questions I was asking earlier? |
| 05:33.49 | cncfanatics | anywya, I need to go catch my train, thanks for the help ^^ |
| 05:33.55 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 05:37.19 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1580 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 05:37.22 | Repo | Partial fix for the issues with the new sorting being fubared. |
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| 05:40.49 | digmouse | http://cn.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Madoran&n=Iiorii |
| 05:40.50 | digmouse | 40 rep exalted in BC, no LK reps! |
| 05:41.24 | Shefki | digmouse: You? |
| 05:41.32 | digmouse | ofc not |
| 05:41.50 | digmouse | I got only 21 |
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| 05:46.46 | Shefki | I'm at 35 but I didn't play until TBC |
| 05:48.13 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1581 / (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 05:48.15 | Repo | First commit to play around with locals to give me two testing localizations. |
| 05:49.19 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1582 Locals (2 files in 1 directory): Second commit |
| 05:49.56 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1583 Locals (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 05:49.59 | Repo | Final commit, had to do three because shit has gotten messed up when using the same names over. |
| 05:51.58 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1584 .pkgmeta: |
| 05:52.01 | Repo | No reason to package the testing locale files. I'm sure these changes will blow the fuck up on me, but I'm going to go get laid. Night folks. |
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| 07:09.39 | Fisker- | hey Ackis |
| 07:09.41 | Fisker- | i hate you |
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| 07:11.09 | Torhal | Fisker-: Ackis is in bed, or something. |
| 07:11.17 | Fisker- | i still hate him |
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| 07:14.29 | sb|work | morning |
| 07:16.01 | sb|work | does arl support 'reasarch' receipes? so i can see how many i still dont have? :o (need to max inscription for 3.1 :/) |
| 07:16.09 | sb|work | Fisker-: tell me! you know him |
| 07:16.58 | Torhal | sb|work: It does. |
| 07:17.08 | Torhal | Well, for Alchemy it does,. |
| 07:19.28 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * 8a07408 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 07:19.32 | Repo | 8a07408: Fix ticket 253: All groups to be positioned with a slider in the config. |
| 07:19.35 | Repo | c0aaa9c: Move group positioning code into it's own function. |
| 07:24.13 | jnwhiteh | NivFreak: click-casting is not mod specific. |
| 07:24.24 | jnwhiteh | its a general system and the unit frame author is the one who has to add support. |
| 07:24.27 | jnwhiteh | its extremely simple. |
| 07:25.16 | nevcairiel | indeed, its like 2 lines |
| 07:25.33 | digmouse | jnwhiteh: so it's not sure that PB4 supports clique or not until tested? |
| 07:25.36 | sb|work | i dont have enough mouse-buttons for effective click-casting :/ |
| 07:25.43 | Shefki | digmouse: It does. |
| 07:25.49 | jnwhiteh | sb|work: you only need two buttons |
| 07:25.52 | digmouse | <- have 7 buttons |
| 07:26.02 | sb|work | jnwhiteh: uhm.. no :p |
| 07:26.05 | Shefki | Since I'm using Clique with it. :) |
| 07:26.20 | sb|work | 2 buttons are abolish disease + remove magic |
| 07:26.23 | sb|work | thats what i'm using |
| 07:26.23 | digmouse | :D gonna raid with Clique+PB4 GRID layout tonight |
| 07:26.28 | syeren | How the fuck do you need anymore buttons than 2 with a click casting? |
| 07:26.29 | sb|work | so i need like ~5 more for healing ;) |
| 07:26.39 | jnwhiteh | sb|work: no really, two buttons gives you 8 combinations for each button |
| 07:26.40 | Shefki | digmouse: You may not be happy doing that. |
| 07:26.40 | syeren | Unless you click your spells, which is fucking idiotic anyways, you don't need anything. |
| 07:26.46 | jnwhiteh | you cast more than 16 healing spells in a fight? |
| 07:26.48 | sb|work | i dont like alt/shift/strg click casting |
| 07:26.50 | digmouse | Shefki: huh? |
| 07:26.54 | jnwhiteh | thats your preference =) |
| 07:26.58 | nevcairiel | I don't have enougb buttons either, since my modifiers are in use already .. alt is self-cast, ctrl is push-to-talk, so i only have shift left, and i hate pressing shift, it feels so unnatural =P |
| 07:27.00 | Shefki | digmouse: Some people have been saying they're seeing PB4 be laggy in raid situations. |
| 07:27.03 | Grum | syeren: why would clicking spells be 'fucking idiotic' ? :) |
| 07:27.03 | syeren | LB / RB / Shift LB / Shift RB / Cntrl... |
| 07:27.03 | sb|work | because it needs coordination from one to another hand |
| 07:27.04 | jnwhiteh | you don't need any more than two buttons to even be remotely effective click-casting :P |
| 07:27.04 | sb|work | this sucks :) |
| 07:27.19 | syeren | Because anyone who clicks spells is horribly bad at the game and slower than someone who doesn't click them? |
| 07:27.23 | syeren | Pretty obvious. |
| 07:27.26 | digmouse | Shefki: ye, I got some update issues relating to health |
| 07:27.46 | nevcairiel | You don't have to click spells when you don't click-cast |
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| 07:27.48 | Grum | syeren: why would you be bad at the game if you click? any why would you be slower? |
| 07:27.50 | nevcairiel | you could press the keys too |
| 07:28.02 | syeren | .... |
| 07:28.06 | digmouse | but it's only a easy Black Temple run so that would not be a big problem |
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| 07:28.13 | sb|work | nevcairiel: yup, thats my problem, ctrl is PTT and alt used for my secondary action bar (mind blast, smite, holy fire, swd :p) |
| 07:28.17 | Shefki | digmouse: Ahh ok. |
| 07:28.19 | sb|work | and shift+clicking sucks :) |
| 07:28.49 | syeren | "Yo' instead of just pressing 3 to heal you, I have to position my mouse over a spell, therefore taking my attention off what's happening, while taking more time." |
| 07:29.03 | Grum | so you are pressing butons while healing? |
| 07:29.10 | Grum | and actually selecting a target first? |
| 07:29.13 | Grum | now who is wasting time here |
| 07:29.15 | Shefki | digmouse: Just wanted you to be aware. |
| 07:29.18 | digmouse | Left = Lifebloom, right = Rejuvenation, nothing more :P |
| 07:29.19 | syeren | Haahhaha |
| 07:29.30 | syeren | If I raid I use Clique to raid heal. |
| 07:29.37 | syeren | If you PVP and click spells, you're doomed. |
| 07:29.45 | jnwhiteh | idd |
| 07:29.47 | Grum | who cares for pvp really :) |
| 07:29.59 | syeren | I don't know, seems as it actually requires ability and reactions. |
| 07:30.07 | Zhinjio | still looking for someone who know alot about dmg mechanics |
| 07:30.07 | nevcairiel | I know people that play with clicking and are good with it (in pve atleast), well i know one person =P but its certainly the exception |
| 07:30.12 | Grum | actually it requires you having rolled a good class |
| 07:30.18 | syeren | Not really. |
| 07:30.21 | sb|work | mouse-over casting for unit-frames would be nice |
| 07:30.22 | Grum | the flavor of the month to be exact |
| 07:30.24 | Shefki | Jeeez enough already, play the game how you want. |
| 07:30.25 | syeren | Hydra plays Priest, and is 2600+ |
| 07:30.28 | Shefki | Stop being so judgemental |
| 07:30.38 | quiescens | my way is the only way damn it! |
| 07:30.44 | Nenue | one contradictory anecdote |
| 07:30.45 | quiescens | glares at shefki |
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| 07:30.57 | sb|work | nevcairiel: does target=mouseover work with unitframes? |
| 07:31.02 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 07:31.03 | Grum | yes it should |
| 07:31.04 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 07:31.07 | jnwhiteh | and you are welcome for that =) |
| 07:31.08 | Shefki | It does. |
| 07:31.18 | Nenue | totally overrides the sweeping statistical evidence that a large-scale game is inherently unbalanced |
| 07:31.26 | Nenue | thank you |
| 07:31.44 | syeren | What? |
| 07:31.46 | syeren | Let's see. |
| 07:31.48 | syeren | RMP is top of EU TR. |
| 07:31.56 | Grum | syeren: and you think that a priest can stay alive with a slightly worse partner (or partners?) |
| 07:31.56 | nevcairiel | pvp since 3.0 is a nightmare, you don't need proper skill, you just need burst damage |
| 07:32.01 | Grum | aye |
| 07:32.08 | syeren | He PVPs with a Rogue, which are horrible in PVP. |
| 07:32.16 | syeren | And a Mage, which are hard countered by Hunters and DKs. |
| 07:32.25 | sb|work | hmm is it actually possible to TARGET your mouseover target? :p so /target [target=mouseover] or something like that :p |
| 07:32.25 | syeren | So that's a pretty bad comp to play in the current meta-game. |
| 07:32.52 | Grum | actually its one that works really well ... RMP is based around bursting down 1 target while putting ~12s of CC on another |
| 07:32.56 | nevcairiel | sb|work: you could just click without any macro, and it would target it =P |
| 07:33.04 | Nenue | So the person is either a machine or masochist, great. |
| 07:33.15 | syeren | Hydra is the best priest in the world... |
| 07:33.23 | syeren | Wow, this is like Blizzard official forums. |
| 07:33.33 | Grum | syeren: you behave the same there? |
| 07:33.36 | Zhinjio | g'night |
| 07:33.37 | Grum | did you already get banned? :D |
| 07:33.44 | sb|work | nevcairiel: meh.. i dont want to click :p i want a heal macro to actually target the <player to be healed> and then cast the spell |
| 07:33.50 | syeren | I don't post there, the place is full of idiots who think Clicking to do stuff in this game is good. |
| 07:33.51 | syeren | ^_^ |
| 07:33.56 | Shefki | Yo dudes, buff my class, nerf DK. Hoorah! |
| 07:34.00 | Grum | syeren: it is not bad? |
| 07:34.23 | syeren | Go PVP and click, go see how you compete against people who bind abilities. |
| 07:34.27 | Grum | i'm just curious, what do you do with your mouse in pve? |
| 07:34.29 | syeren | I bet you even have backpeddle bound to S too :( |
| 07:34.51 | syeren | Like I said, I use clique in PVE because PVE has never ever been demanding of any micro ability. |
| 07:34.55 | Grum | and again .. 3.0 .. no-one cares for pvp |
| 07:35.02 | Grum | they call season5 the biggest fluke in history >< |
| 07:35.03 | syeren | No one gives a shit about PVE now. |
| 07:35.11 | syeren | It's fucking wellfare epics in comparison to any form of PVP. |
| 07:35.17 | Grum | lol |
| 07:35.28 | Grum | yes and wintergrasp has no welfare epics? |
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| 07:35.35 | syeren | In comparison to Naxx 25? |
| 07:35.37 | cncfanatics | syeren: try sarth 2D with ur pvp team plx |
| 07:35.41 | syeren | Ermm |
| 07:35.44 | syeren | Hahah |
| 07:35.50 | syeren | I have Glory of the Raider on my Shaman :)? |
| 07:35.51 | Grum | sart2d you can learn in 45 mins |
| 07:36.13 | Grum | provided you are not stupid enough to leave shadron standing |
| 07:36.13 | syeren | And the people I PVP With are in my guild .... |
| 07:36.27 | cncfanatics | mmm, wish 3D actualy gave gear |
| 07:36.52 | Grum | syeren: glory of the raider is all about luck tbh |
| 07:36.59 | Grum | there is no skill in undying/immortal |
| 07:37.06 | syeren | No, Glory of the Raider just shows how fucking easy the game has become. |
| 07:37.08 | syeren | That's all. |
| 07:37.15 | Grum | 'has become' ... |
| 07:37.20 | Grum | no, it allows all people to participate |
| 07:37.26 | Grum | so yeah, right now stuff is easy |
| 07:37.37 | Grum | the only challenges in the game are maly <6m and sart3d |
| 07:37.44 | syeren | And neither are a challenge. |
| 07:37.46 | syeren | Soooo |
| 07:37.56 | Grum | right, because sart3d was done in the first week |
| 07:37.57 | cncfanatics | hoping the hard modes of ulduar are worth it |
| 07:38.01 | Shefki | You guys realize that this is entry level raid content. |
| 07:38.05 | Grum | i do |
| 07:38.10 | Shefki | They have to put something in for the horrible people to do. |
| 07:38.20 | Grum | i personally love it that my alt can just pug naxx and get some funsies gear |
| 07:38.26 | syeren | I remember Entry level in TBC, that was fine. |
| 07:38.30 | syeren | Made 90% of people fuck off :) |
| 07:38.35 | Grum | i doubt that any naxx pug can get any headway in ulduar |
| 07:38.47 | cncfanatics | ulduar will be a "bit" harder then naxx according to blizz |
| 07:38.55 | Grum | syeren: right, because 90% of the people stopping the game wouldnt basicly kill the game right? |
| 07:38.58 | syeren | Ulduar is still puggable in it's current state. |
| 07:39.07 | syeren | No, because it didn't kill the game in TBC ! |
| 07:39.12 | Nenue | it just won't be pleasant |
| 07:39.17 | Grum | but <5% saw any of the raiding content |
| 07:39.26 | Grum | s/any/all |
| 07:39.30 | syeren | Yeah, because they were good enough at a simple game. |
| 07:39.38 | syeren | Let's let the terribads play too :( |
| 07:39.41 | Grum | so why not let them see raiding? |
| 07:39.49 | syeren | Because they weren't good enough? |
| 07:39.49 | Shefki | syeren: the terribads pay for your content. |
| 07:39.50 | cncfanatics | as blizz said themselves |
| 07:39.57 | Grum | i agree it sortof sucks that the only way you are better than people is by knowing .. and not gear showing it .. |
| 07:39.59 | cncfanatics | making 90% of the content for 5% of the playerbase doesn't make ANY sense at all |
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| 07:40.02 | Grum | but who fucking cares that much about it? |
| 07:40.06 | Grum | do you need your epeen showed that hard? |
| 07:40.38 | syeren | I'd just rather have a game full of pre-nerf M'uru and enjoy it, rather than being given 'hard mode' Sartharion and that be it. |
| 07:40.42 | Grum | i love the fact they can churn out instances that everyone can go to and give the 'good people' hardmodes |
| 07:40.49 | Grum | its a way better strategy than they had in TBC |
| 07:40.53 | cncfanatics | I agree |
| 07:41.03 | cncfanatics | even though my current guild doesn't have any hardmodes done >.> started a month ago :p |
| 07:41.09 | Grum | its the 90% other people that actually keep the game alive |
| 07:42.20 | Grum | syeren: hardmodes should be similar to m'uru (pre or postnerf -- doesnt matter tbh) |
| 07:42.38 | Grum | it was a 5% difference that made the encounter a hell of a lot less frustrating and not easier |
| 07:42.42 | syeren | Err, the difficulty of M'uru died post nerf. |
| 07:42.51 | Grum | post 3.0? |
| 07:43.01 | Grum | or what nerf are you talking about? |
| 07:43.03 | syeren | Either version. |
| 07:43.06 | Grum | there were 3 |
| 07:43.16 | syeren | After the first one, it was pointlessly boring. |
| 07:43.28 | Grum | first one was not having cast pushbacks of the random lightning |
| 07:43.50 | Grum | they hotpatched that in and that made the encounter about 100% more doable |
| 07:45.10 | Grum | second one was the 10% hp nerf -- that made it about 5% easier, you had 20-25 seconds more slack (where you would kill off the adds) around the 1->2 transition |
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| 07:46.10 | Grum | its fun to play the game to perfection, it is not fun to have to the game to 99% perfection in order to get a chance at a diceroll to possibly make it |
| 07:46.52 | Grum | even if you managed the encounter you could wipe 10-15 times on it before nailing it because a sheep broke ... or unlucky sentinel spawns |
| 07:47.16 | Grum | and then you are still talking about the top 2% of all PVE players |
| 07:47.45 | Grum | +play somewhere >< |
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| 07:48.10 | Nenue | If your guild was carrying any sort of flaw or sloppiness, M'uru would wring it out and leave the brittle husk to dry. |
| 07:48.23 | Grum | m'uru killed countless of guilds |
| 07:48.42 | Grum | i remember the topguild on my server recruiting over 30 people to get past the encounter |
| 07:48.50 | NeoTron | muru made me and a bunch of friends (essentially all officers) kill our guild and start a new one... without some old luggage |
| 07:49.10 | Nenue | sounds like a change for the better |
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| 07:49.28 | Grum | for the better ... you had 1 boss after that |
| 07:49.38 | Grum | which was significantly easier may i add |
| 07:49.50 | Grum | man KJ was a piece of cake compared to muru |
| 07:50.13 | Grum | if you'd need 500 tries on muru .. at most 35 would be required on KJ |
| 07:50.54 | Nenue | why not? |
| 07:51.02 | Grum | how is it better? |
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| 07:54.09 | Nenue | KJ demanded just as much, if not more performance |
| 07:54.19 | Grum | it was a positioning game |
| 07:54.22 | Nenue | the reason that guilds downing him spent less time learning it than muru |
| 07:54.23 | Grum | not a perfect execution game |
| 07:54.39 | Nenue | is because every flawed player who weighed down their attempts on muru was weeded out |
| 07:55.14 | Grum | sure, so why did the topguilds who hardly changed their setups for muru and to KJ still had the same balance of tries? |
| 07:56.13 | Nenue | because the fights were undocumented and their player-bases don't suffer the ineffecacies that crop up in the wider spread |
| 07:56.38 | Grum | figh were undocumented? |
| 07:56.43 | Fisker- | ~grum++ |
| 07:56.49 | Grum | i'm quite sure that for example nevcairiel killed m'uru on ptr |
| 07:56.58 | Grum | it was known *really* well what the fights were about |
| 07:57.48 | Nenue | what are we talking about |
| 07:58.17 | Grum | about old stuff |
| 07:58.56 | Grum | and people wanking over 'omg its all to easy' .. ah well ... get a gf, she can stroke your epeen :p |
| 07:59.14 | syeren | Shefki, you're doing a ton of work on PB4 lately ;p |
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| 08:01.19 | Shefki | syeren: Yes. |
| 08:01.28 | Shefki | That was the plan all along. |
| 08:02.00 | Shefki | When ckknight was talking about rewriting it I'd offered to help. |
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| 08:04.44 | Repo | Added preliminary code for a Presets button. |
| 08:05.24 | Shefki | syeren: Were you going somewhere with this observation or just a random obsesrvation? |
| 08:05.34 | syeren | No, just random! |
| 08:05.50 | syeren | Subscribed to updates, so get a bunch of emails :p |
| 08:10.23 | sb|work | Grum: hmm i know this "QQ, its too easy, even ulduar! 25s should be uber-progamer only, not casuals!" thingie |
| 08:12.08 | Grum | sb|work: everyone does |
| 08:13.28 | cncfanatics | \o/ damn I'm bored |
| 08:13.33 | cncfanatics | stupid courses |
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| 08:16.53 | sb|work | Grum: yup... :P |
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| 08:23.36 | Shefki | Ahah... Figured it out. |
| 08:23.43 | Shefki | does a little dance. |
| 08:23.51 | quiescens | uh oh |
| 08:24.23 | Shefki | I figured out why the mana spark was screwing up. |
| 08:24.36 | Shefki | Yay for frame recycling. |
| 08:27.53 | Fisker- | lol |
| 08:28.00 | Fisker- | people can't excuse not having an authenticator now |
| 08:28.18 | Shefki | The mobile thingy? |
| 08:28.25 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:28.40 | Shefki | That for all practical purposes defeats having one IMHO. |
| 08:29.02 | Fisker- | yep |
| 08:29.21 | Fisker- | A mobile have a lot more stable "lifetime" so to speak |
| 08:29.23 | Shefki | Becuase the people that will want it are the ones that want to share accounts. |
| 08:29.39 | Fisker- | There's almost not going to be any unexpected loss of the "authenticator" |
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| 08:29.43 | Shefki | There's nothing terribly unstable about the tokens. |
| 08:30.25 | Fisker- | Well limited lifetime, and broken devices |
| 08:30.35 | Fisker- | I think having it on a mobile will increase it |
| 08:30.47 | Fisker- | Not nessecarily the mobiles lifetime, but the authenticators |
| 08:31.07 | Fisker- | or authenticator app's lifetime is probably more appropiate |
| 08:34.59 | sb|work | Fisker-: what? |
| 08:35.02 | sb|work | mobile thing? |
| 08:35.19 | sb|work | mobile phone as authenticator?! :p |
| 08:35.24 | Shefki | sb|work: Yup. |
| 08:35.27 | sb|work | source? |
| 08:36.00 | Shefki | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=26109 |
| 08:36.38 | sb|work | EU coming soon.. :o |
| 08:38.23 | Fisker- | EU are slacking as usual :( |
| 08:39.02 | sb|work | "oops mobile firmware upgrade - authenticator app gone" |
| 08:39.03 | sb|work | ;) |
| 08:39.25 | syeren | Shefki, will PB Party frames always display in arena? |
| 08:40.00 | syeren | You should probably add an option for them to display in 15 man raids too, for BG :p |
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| 08:40.49 | Shefki | syeren: 15 man raids are treated as 25. |
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| 08:41.02 | syeren | Oki. |
| 08:41.49 | Shefki | There's a ticket to allow configuration of raids with only up to 5 people to choose raid or party. |
| 08:42.13 | Shefki | But atm it's harcoded to treat those as parties. |
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| 08:44.04 | Grum | i find it strange that with blizzard's attempts to remove the 'groups' from raids people still want to have groupframes :) |
| 08:44.16 | digmouse | there is a option to show 5-man raid as part iirc |
| 08:44.28 | digmouse | s/part/party/ |
| 08:44.31 | Grum | there should be an option to show anything as raid tbh :) |
| 08:46.22 | Shefki | Grum: arena is treated as a raid even though there are only 5 people. |
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| 08:46.31 | Shefki | Grum: I much prefer my party frames to raid frames for that. |
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| 08:46.56 | Shefki | digmouse: It's not an option in PB4 yet. |
| 08:47.06 | Shefki | digmouse: It just is the default and only behavior. |
| 08:47.20 | digmouse | Shefki: thought I saw it in the locale files |
| 08:47.24 | Grum | so how's pb4 coming along Shefki? |
| 08:47.30 | Grum | what's still missing which is vital? |
| 08:47.45 | Shefki | It might be in the locale files but PitBull4:GetState() will return "party" for a raid with fewer than 6 people. |
| 08:47.48 | digmouse | Grum: usable, pretty well, those some problem still |
| 08:48.28 | Shefki | VisualHeal, frame highlighting, oRA mt frames... |
| 08:48.32 | Shefki | Those are the big things. |
| 08:48.36 | Shefki | And performance tuning. |
| 08:49.26 | digmouse | If you are not a healer or tank, it's OK |
| 08:49.26 | Shefki | Pretty much yeah. |
| 08:49.26 | digmouse | otherwise PB3 or GRID is a better idea |
| 08:50.15 | Grum | as dps you miss MT frames in grid |
| 08:50.16 | Zarnivoop | Zhinjio: added them last night. not working? |
| 08:50.30 | Grum | and as healer you miss the grid-compactness ... |
| 08:50.35 | Grum | its annoying you need both :( |
| 08:50.43 | Shefki | I hate the grid compactness. |
| 08:50.50 | Shefki | But that's just me. |
| 08:50.51 | Grum | you are not a healer then? :D |
| 08:50.55 | Shefki | I am. |
| 08:51.35 | Grum | then i dont get it ^^ .. grid should be <3 for any healer for the sake that you have to move your mouse waaaaaay less |
| 08:51.51 | Shefki | I'm a resto druid. I hate corner indicators. |
| 08:51.56 | Shefki | They're horrible. |
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| 08:52.11 | sb|work | did i already mention (today!) how awesome divine hymn is? :P |
| 08:52.15 | digmouse | I'm gonna raid as a tree with PB4 |
| 08:52.29 | Grum | sb|work: what does it do in the latest build? |
| 08:52.30 | sb|work | healer-ae-ohshit-button |
| 08:52.48 | sb|work | like 3 (targets) * 11k noncrit on lowest targets every 2s |
| 08:52.54 | sb|work | 18k crit that is |
| 08:53.00 | sb|work | for 6 or 8 seconds |
| 08:53.09 | Grum | 11k total or 11k per person? |
| 08:53.12 | sb|work | per person |
| 08:53.15 | digmouse | wow |
| 08:53.41 | Shefki | sb|work: Don't worry, you'll be nerfed to hell come 3.1.2 |
| 08:53.43 | sb|work | :( |
| 08:53.48 | sb|work | 6min cooldown |
| 08:53.50 | sb|work | its already nerfed |
| 08:54.02 | Shefki | sb|work: Yes but you're having too much fun with it. |
| 08:54.11 | Shefki | fun = OP = nerf harder. |
| 08:54.28 | sb|work | right... |
| 08:54.43 | sb|work | i will try to upload my video to google, could take some time, but i like it :p |
| 08:54.51 | Shefki | Don't ... me, you know that's pretty much how Blizzard does things. |
| 08:55.27 | Grum | i dislike stuff you have to channel and dont get benefit from yourself >< |
| 08:57.59 | digmouse | like a lock upload video said his blue bubble tanked Sarth3D and the other day he find his voidwalker gone :P |
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| 09:26.17 | Repo | 10auto-bar: 03StingerSoft * r751 / (2 files in 1 directory): ruRU update |
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| 09:33.21 | sb|work | bah, next time i have to find some better video format/resolution/... |
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| 09:33.32 | sb|work | Grum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3rVkcWoQzs&fmt=22 |
| 09:33.37 | sb|work | 0:15 - 0:25 |
| 09:33.52 | sb|work | and yes, quality sucks :P |
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| 09:34.26 | Repo | Improved tooltip config options. |
| 09:34.33 | Grum | mad sb|work |
| 09:34.50 | sb|work | hm? :o |
| 09:35.10 | Grum | that healing done .... |
| 09:35.17 | sb|work | yup... |
| 09:35.18 | Grum | nrefbatincoming |
| 09:35.34 | sb|work | and its smart |
| 09:35.53 | Grum | on the initial heal only right? |
| 09:35.59 | sb|work | no |
| 09:36.00 | Grum | or will it switch targets on every tick? |
| 09:36.12 | sb|work | yep |
| 09:36.22 | sb|work | look at the divine hymn buff |
| 09:36.27 | sb|work | the yellow thingie |
| 09:36.30 | sb|work | in the raidframes |
| 09:36.40 | quiescens | long cooldown though! |
| 09:36.40 | Grum | meh this sucks .. if its too good they will make shadowpriests use it in raids ;"( |
| 09:38.24 | Megalon | We're sorry, this video is no longer available. wtf :c |
| 09:38.28 | sb|work | wtf |
| 09:38.33 | Grum | huh?? |
| 09:38.35 | sb|work | nah, working |
| 09:38.36 | sb|work | fine |
| 09:38.41 | Grum | i'm playing it o.O |
| 09:38.44 | Megalon | now it's playing |
| 09:38.47 | Megalon | jewtub :C |
| 09:39.11 | Megalon | wtf, nice heals from hymn :C |
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| 09:43.41 | sb|work | need some -50% cooldown glyph :p |
| 09:43.53 | Grum | hahah |
| 09:46.41 | Xinhuan | hehe who's a warlock here |
| 09:47.07 | Xinhuan | on PTR, you can get soulshards just draining soul the 1 hp target dummies in towns |
| 09:48.00 | sb|work | lol |
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| 09:58.54 | Megalon | well, not that gamebraking :P |
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| 10:42.27 | JY`_ | ~wowalert |
| 10:42.27 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 10:43.33 | EthanCentaurai | ~wowalert |
| 10:43.34 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 10:44.30 | EthanCentaurai | meh... EU servers have died |
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| 10:52.52 | EthanCentaurai | anyone need their boots spit-shined or something? I'm getting bored of waiting for the cleaning lady to plug the servers back in |
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| 11:14.05 | _Stan_ | ~wowalert |
| 11:14.06 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 11:14.39 | _Stan_ | QQ |
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| 11:34.40 | Repo | - Disenchant values in tooltips. |
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| 12:09.33 | sztanpet | anyone got coordinates for wotlk instances in the wotlk sandbox for teleporting |
| 12:10.00 | sztanpet | it expects 3dimensional coordinates but i dont know them |
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| 13:16.14 | Xinhuan | http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/put-a-bible-over-your-penis,-says-pope-200903181648/ |
| 13:16.18 | Xinhuan | (safe for work) |
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| 13:16.30 | Xinhuan | POPE Benedict last night claimed that placing a bible over an erect penis before intercourse is the only guaranteed way to prevent the spread of Aids. |
| 13:16.40 | Xinhuan | Experts said that either the Pope is suggesting the bible is used like a condom, or he doesn't know what a condom is. |
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| 13:19.33 | kenlyric | that sounds like a joke |
| 13:19.55 | kenlyric | oh, dailymash |
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| 13:25.57 | teilzeitstudent | hi |
| 13:27.23 | teilzeitstudent | i was just wondering how advisable it would be to add dozens, maybe 50 or more, "oneshot" callbacks to the acetimer. probably not too good an idea? |
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| 13:30.23 | teilzeitstudent | and if that doesnt fly.. does the wow or ace api provide mutex or other thread-security stuff? |
| 13:31.29 | Grum | Xinhuan: you need something physical for protection? why isnt just believing enough? |
| 13:31.57 | Grum | teilzeitstudent: threads in lua? sorry you don't have access to anything like that |
| 13:31.57 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 13:32.11 | Xinhuan | its not a good idea teilzeitstudent |
| 13:32.19 | Grum | you can use coroutines .. but thats not quite the same :) |
| 13:32.40 | teilzeitstudent | Xinhuan, mh well, I sorta want to prevent 50 whispers beeing sent out at once |
| 13:32.44 | Xinhuan | you can certainly make 50 one-shot timers |
| 13:32.52 | Xinhuan | but if you need that many, you need to rethink your design |
| 13:32.57 | Xinhuan | say perhaps with a queue system instead |
| 13:33.33 | teilzeitstudent | yes, but the basic idea behind any queue system is that the work stuff is beeing run in a different thread, isnt it? |
| 13:33.46 | Grum | there are no threads :) |
| 13:34.17 | Grum | at least not any you can actually access and use in a sane way; ofc stuff is threaded but afaik lua runs in a single one |
| 13:34.33 | Grum | and why would you need to send 50 whispers? :D |
| 13:34.56 | Grum | OMG SPAM SOFTWARE [/lol] |
| 13:35.01 | teilzeitstudent | for a simple /w someguy !whatdoyousell |
| 13:35.08 | teilzeitstudent | sorta :P |
| 13:35.30 | teilzeitstudent | and if he sells 10 items.. gets 3 whispers.. :/ |
| 13:35.43 | Zarnivoop | teilzeitstudent: you could make one repeateable timer, have a queue table where you insert all the whispers, and in the timer send of say 5 each time |
| 13:35.47 | Grum | or .. just make a customized tradelink and mail that over? |
| 13:36.03 | Grum | *mail/whisper/whaterver |
| 13:36.20 | teilzeitstudent | Zarnivoop, I know but for that i would need a mutex. hence my question |
| 13:37.25 | Grum | why need a mutex? |
| 13:37.29 | teilzeitstudent | Grum, well the general idea behind is that the addon should automatically add the items to the "trade" window, if possible.. if not, just take the items out of the bank. so i do not have to search for them myself |
| 13:38.19 | teilzeitstudent | Grum, ah right.. if all lua scripts are indeed in a single thread.. do'h :p |
| 13:38.59 | Grum | i can just say if i ever see anyone putting more than 6 items in /2 .. then get an automatic report for spam from me :) |
| 13:39.13 | teilzeitstudent | .. hence the private message stuff |
| 13:39.24 | Grum | you intend to sell stuff you cant craft? |
| 13:39.50 | teilzeitstudent | in /2: Selling [bla] [bla] and more, send !whatdoyousell for more infos |
| 13:39.54 | teilzeitstudent | farm stuff |
| 13:40.10 | teilzeitstudent | like.. that fire, water etc stuff, whatever the names in english are |
| 13:40.25 | Grum | use the AH ;D |
| 13:40.30 | teilzeitstudent | nah, it stinks |
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| 13:40.40 | Grum | i wouldnt risk putting that kind of stuff on /2 and risk getting banned for spamming people about |
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| 13:41.22 | teilzeitstudent | ... i do not add all items to /2. just a message saying i sell a couple of things, more about it in private messages |
| 13:41.23 | Grum | or better; dont /w itemlinks but just the itemname |
| 13:41.38 | Grum | you can add 3 times the amount of stuff to a message |
| 13:42.04 | Grum | teilzeitstudent: if 10 people make you tell the list of items you sell .. you might flood yourself of the server |
| 13:42.31 | teilzeitstudent | hence the timer, so i do not send out 50 messages at once, but one after another over a longer period of time |
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| 13:42.56 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: rofl at that link |
| 13:43.12 | Grum | teilzeitstudent: there are message throttle libs you can just use |
| 13:43.14 | Arrowmaster | now i have to go lookup dutch steamboating on urbandictionary |
| 13:44.13 | teilzeitstudent | Grum, got any specific in mind? checked the addons i got but they all seem to send the messages out at once |
| 13:44.26 | teilzeitstudent | Grum, recount for example |
| 13:44.54 | Grum | humz google for wow addon message throttle? ;D |
| 13:44.58 | cncfanatics | \o/ hello ppl |
| 13:45.06 | Grum | Arrowmaster: tell me if you find it ;D |
| 13:45.11 | teilzeitstudent | Grum, right :p |
| 13:45.20 | Arrowmaster | Grum: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dutch+steamboating |
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| 13:45.36 | Grum | sigh |
| 13:45.42 | Grum | i wonder why they call it 'dutch' :D |
| 13:46.04 | cncfanatics | no u |
| 13:46.09 | cncfanatics | argh |
| 13:46.15 | cncfanatics | why is every single dns lookup taking 10 secs |
| 13:46.19 | Grum | because you suck |
| 13:46.46 | cncfanatics | and very well I might add |
| 13:47.39 | Arrowmaster | Grum: have you looked at the other 'dutch' things on urbandictionary? |
| 13:47.46 | Grum | nope |
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| 13:51.18 | kenlyric | The phrase "going Dutch" probably originates from Dutch etiquette. In the Netherlands, it is not unusual to pay separately when going out as a group. When dating in a 1 on 1 situation however, the man will most commonly pay for meals and drinks. English rivalry with The Netherlands especially during the period of the Anglo-Dutch Wars[citation needed] gave rise to several phrases including... |
| 13:51.20 | kenlyric | ...Dutch that promote certain negative stereotypes. Examples include Dutch courage, Dutch oven, Dutch uncle and Dutch wife. The particular stereotype associated with this usage is the idea of Dutch people as ungenerous and selfish. |
| 13:58.44 | Arrowmaster | i think dutch courage is the original and the rest are perty modern |
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| 14:08.40 | Silberbuechse | hi @ all. Anyone knows how to spawn ora2 MTs & MTTs with oUF ? |
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| 14:10.00 | BWMerlin | where do I report curse website glitches to? |
| 14:10.24 | BWMerlin | currently I am logged in and the top right hand corner of the curse page says I am logged in and show my user name |
| 14:10.48 | BWMerlin | but if i scroll down to the comments section I get a little message saying you need to be logged in to leave comments |
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| 14:37.08 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03TAP3AH 06tap3ah * r23 / (11 files in 7 directories): mainline content updated to r20090320110056 |
| 14:43.18 | ckknight | waves to the nice people |
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| 14:56.50 | _Stan_ | so, 80% of my guild is now playing bejeweled in wow instead of actually playing wow |
| 14:57.57 | thul | _Stan_: ain't it fun? |
| 14:58.05 | _Stan_ | it's awesome |
| 14:58.44 | thul | i miss my old guild. |
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| 15:04.03 | ckknight | _Stan_: I want to make a minigame in WoW sometime |
| 15:04.14 | _Stan_ | strip poker pls |
| 15:04.19 | ckknight | nah |
| 15:04.26 | ckknight | also, there being both a _Stan_ and Stanzilla is confusing. |
| 15:04.37 | _Stan_ | yes, that's my gay BNC |
| 15:05.14 | Stanzilla | fixed |
| 15:05.16 | ckknight | k |
| 15:05.18 | ckknight | alright |
| 15:05.21 | ckknight | you are the same person |
| 15:05.23 | ckknight | was confused |
| 15:06.22 | thul | i want night elf strip poker |
| 15:06.25 | ckknight | this is pretty hilarious: |
| 15:06.26 | ckknight | http://static.curseforge.net/uploads/170/0/377/error.jpg |
| 15:06.34 | ckknight | instead of copy-pasting the code |
| 15:06.38 | ckknight | or even taking a screenshot |
| 15:06.44 | ckknight | it's obvious that's taken from a camera |
| 15:07.30 | VonhintenHOME` | LOL |
| 15:08.43 | VonhintenHOME` | points for effort I guess |
| 15:09.14 | thul | I LIEK |
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| 15:10.32 | ckknight | I won't be making strip poker |
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| 15:10.39 | ckknight | if I do make a minigame, I would like multiplayer support, though |
| 15:10.44 | ckknight | not sure what I'd make, though |
| 15:10.47 | ckknight | hmm |
| 15:10.53 | ckknight | I have thought of doing Risk |
| 15:10.54 | VonhintenHOME` | eyes on the ball... pb4 |
| 15:10.55 | ckknight | but that's hard |
| 15:11.07 | ckknight | VonhintenHOME`: yea, yea |
| 15:11.17 | ckknight | I actually need to do curseforge stuff for the author store :P |
| 15:11.18 | AckisWork | ckknight: I figured you'd make a rape simulator |
| 15:11.30 | ckknight | why a simulator? |
| 15:11.36 | AckisWork | hey... it could be a mod with pig in the name! |
| 15:11.37 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:11.40 | selckin | you gotta make no holdem poker |
| 15:11.41 | durcyn | who the hell wants to simulate getting raped, ackis? |
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| 15:12.07 | VonhintenHOME` | maybe he meant "rape stimulator" |
| 15:12.14 | ckknight | durcyn: I know some girls who are into that |
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| 15:14.44 | VonhintenHOME` | holy fuck, a nuclear sub collides with a carrier, ruptures the fuel tank still 25000 gallons of fuel... and CNN's top story's are about Liam Neesons dead wife.. and the astronauts unfolding a new solar array... |
| 15:14.51 | VonhintenHOME` | what the fuck is wrong with this picture |
| 15:15.07 | VonhintenHOME` | s/still/spill |
| 15:16.01 | selckin | your faith in the media? |
| 15:16.47 | AckisWork | woah liam neesons wife died? |
| 15:17.38 | sylvanaar | you know i finally see the issue with Prat + DBM and whispers not being visible |
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| 15:19.15 | Silberbuechse | is it possible to spawn ora2 MTs & MTTs with oUF ? |
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| 15:27.31 | durcyn | Silberbuechse: it's not in the core, but you could do it with your own function pretty easily |
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| 15:29.23 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 15:29.39 | digmouse | Morning Kaelten |
| 15:29.45 | durcyn | Silberbuechse: just register for oRA_SetMainTank / oRA_RemoveMainTank, then scan the list, find the corresponding unitid, and spawn your frame |
| 15:31.01 | Repo | 10prescription: 03Starinnia 042.1.0 beta2 * r111 : Tagging as 2.1.0 beta2 |
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| 15:34.37 | cncfanatics | anyone can suggest me an addon to do healing assignments ? |
| 15:36.43 | AckisWork | heal organizer |
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| 15:39.19 | digmouse | I raid as resto after 4 year today :P |
| 15:39.30 | digmouse | s/year/years/ |
| 15:42.24 | Gnarfoz | digmouse: not bad :> |
| 15:43.08 | digmouse | but found uncomfortable using today's healing methods |
| 15:43.42 | digmouse | I'm more used to cast - interuppt - cast, not spamming |
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| 15:52.51 | Repo | 10priorityqueue: 03Pericles * r2 / (13 files in 3 directories): |
| 15:52.53 | Repo | Initial commit of dry coded cut n paste basic code from ShockAndAwe |
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| 16:04.17 | Silberbuechse | durcyn: thx a lot |
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| 16:06.28 | ckknight | hey, does anybody have IE6 on their machine or have access to one that does? |
| 16:06.53 | sb|work | is something wrong with CC? |
| 16:06.53 | AckisWork | ^ |
| 16:07.02 | AckisWork | ckknight: I had IE6 here at work |
| 16:07.07 | AckisWork | *has |
| 16:07.09 | ckknight | okay |
| 16:07.10 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r63 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fixed accidental debug messages. |
| 16:07.11 | sb|work | some people told me it installed some new addons on auto-update ;o |
| 16:07.13 | ckknight | (it's have) |
| 16:07.14 | Repo | Bumped version number to 0.9.1. |
| 16:07.32 | AckisWork | (I was doing a lolcat response :P) |
| 16:07.36 | ckknight | I'm gonna be adding a bar that bitches at you if you use IE6, AckisWork |
| 16:07.41 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg 04v0.9.1 * r64 : Tagging as v0.9.1 |
| 16:07.49 | AckisWork | to CF |
| 16:07.50 | AckisWork | ? |
| 16:08.06 | ckknight | and wowace |
| 16:11.54 | Gnarfoz | good. |
| 16:11.55 | Gnarfoz | :P |
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| 16:17.24 | cncfanatics | please add a bar that bitches at ppl use windows too |
| 16:19.04 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.curseforge.com/recommended-browsers/ by ckknight |
| 16:19.15 | ckknight | we'll eventually bump it to IE7 |
| 16:19.20 | ckknight | but for now, it'll be just IE6 |
| 16:19.23 | ckknight | it'll link to that KB page |
| 16:19.35 | sztanpet | ckknight i have ie6, what can i help you with |
| 16:20.13 | sb|work | meh whats some good tradeskill window |
| 16:20.16 | sb|work | ? |
| 16:20.31 | sb|work | (which is not skillet) |
| 16:20.53 | cncfanatics | default ui ones with doublewide |
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| 16:21.16 | Axodious | yay chrome |
| 16:21.25 | ckknight | sztanpet: go to curseforge or wowace. A bar should show up at the top. |
| 16:21.28 | cncfanatics | any resto druid online that cld help me ? |
| 16:21.41 | cncfanatics | I need to figure out what our resto druid is wrong but I don't have anything to compare him against |
| 16:21.51 | sztanpet | yup, it showed up |
| 16:22.00 | quiescens | I think it would be hard to define wrong |
| 16:22.12 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r462 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 16:22.15 | Repo | Removed the incorrect template from the db if it has not been validated after importation. |
| 16:22.16 | ckknight | sztanpet: success! |
| 16:22.17 | Repo | Fix importation not to open a random template in case it failed. |
| 16:22.20 | Repo | Make the Talented frame a SpecialFrame instead of a center frame, for the UI. |
| 16:22.24 | cncfanatics | doing less then half the amount of healing I'm doing |
| 16:22.28 | cncfanatics | to be more precise |
| 16:22.41 | sztanpet | as resto? he should be doing twice as much as anybody else |
| 16:22.48 | cncfanatics | yea, I outgear him though |
| 16:22.56 | quiescens | iuno |
| 16:22.57 | cncfanatics | so I'd assume he shld at least be at 75% of what I'm doing |
| 16:23.05 | quiescens | resto can only heal if there is something to heal |
| 16:23.16 | sztanpet | so what, we were doing swp and a s2 geared resto came in and healed twice as much as anybody else |
| 16:23.17 | sztanpet | :D |
| 16:23.27 | cncfanatics | well, this is over a whole naxx |
| 16:23.29 | cncfanatics | for the whole run |
| 16:23.45 | cncfanatics | I'm thinking he's just using the wrong spells |
| 16:24.02 | cncfanatics | http://wowwebstats.com/fiw6jzzoziwke & http://wowwebstats.com/t2i4vqfg3qyku are the logs |
| 16:25.06 | quiescens | were people dying |
| 16:25.11 | cncfanatics | yes |
| 16:25.15 | cncfanatics | we had half the raid dead at sapphiron |
| 16:25.24 | cncfanatics | which saddens me |
| 16:25.47 | quiescens | then yeah |
| 16:25.50 | cncfanatics | 53% regrowth, 15% rejuv, 12% lifebloom, 7% tranquality, 5% wild growth, that is not a normal breakdown for a resto druid is it ? |
| 16:25.51 | quiescens | they could probably be doing more |
| 16:25.55 | ckknight | part of me wants to make the bar show up for IE7 users... |
| 16:25.57 | ckknight | <.< |
| 16:25.57 | ckknight | >.> |
| 16:26.07 | durcyn | just make it show up for all IE users |
| 16:26.13 | quiescens | its hard to say |
| 16:26.19 | quiescens | depends on the fight |
| 16:26.22 | ckknight | durcyn: |
| 16:26.24 | quiescens | depends how much mana they have to spare |
| 16:26.25 | Axodious | cncfanatics http://wowwebstats.com/ymftyvdewlz4e?s=1177-39679&a=x144c3f is our resto druid |
| 16:26.28 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 16:26.28 | Axodious | on malygos |
| 16:26.31 | durcyn | ckknight: |
| 16:26.31 | Axodious | never had a problem with him |
| 16:26.32 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r463 ui/menu.lua: Do not allow current and alternate spec to be targets. |
| 16:26.32 | durcyn | do it |
| 16:26.35 | durcyn | you know you want to |
| 16:26.37 | quiescens | depends whether they're healing a tank |
| 16:26.41 | sztanpet | cncfanatics http://wowwebstats.com/ipxl2oid2jzjg thats ours |
| 16:26.42 | ckknight | yes, I really do |
| 16:26.53 | cncfanatics | 11% wild growth on sapphiron, that is rly wrong isn't it ? |
| 16:27.31 | quiescens | if you're just trying to do some random healing on raid |
| 16:27.41 | sztanpet | on sapphiron i would go shitwild with rejuv and wildgrowth on everycooldown thats for sure |
| 16:27.46 | cncfanatics | he was assigned to raidheal yes |
| 16:27.46 | quiescens | rejuvenations or regrowths on everyone is your best hp/cast |
| 16:28.05 | cncfanatics | it seems his rejuv usage is rly low then |
| 16:28.06 | quiescens | well |
| 16:28.27 | ckknight | durcyn: that's not gonna happen, though |
| 16:28.30 | Axodious | ours on maly uses regrowth/wild growth mainly |
| 16:28.45 | quiescens | because of the cooldown on wild growth anyway |
| 16:28.55 | quiescens | its much harder for it to make up anywhere near the % it used to |
| 16:29.05 | cncfanatics | its a 6sec cd right ? |
| 16:29.11 | Axodious | ckk, why are you hiding the bar from other clients? |
| 16:29.20 | quiescens | yeah |
| 16:29.29 | cncfanatics | mmm, my CoH also has a 6 sec cd |
| 16:29.30 | ckknight | Axodious: other IE clients or what? |
| 16:29.35 | cncfanatics | but makes up a LOT more of my healing |
| 16:29.47 | Axodious | whichever you're purposely trying to hide it from? |
| 16:29.49 | Axodious | -? |
| 16:30.01 | ckknight | Axodious: we don't support IE6, never have on wowace/curseforge, really. This is just another nail in the coffin |
| 16:30.06 | ckknight | we currently only show for IE < 7 |
| 16:30.25 | cncfanatics | time to read the EJ resto drood thread >>.> |
| 16:30.33 | Silberbuechse | @cnc: our last naxx run: http://wowwebstats.com/cssfuzrbl1zsw |
| 16:30.56 | Silberbuechse | 2 resto druids |
| 16:31.16 | quiescens | I think the issue is |
| 16:31.17 | Axodious | yeah, but that doesn't mean you go out of your way to hide features... unless it's not showing in the first place... cause in a way you're still supporting it ;o |
| 16:31.17 | cncfanatics | seems he shld be on par with me then |
| 16:31.20 | cncfanatics | not at half my healing |
| 16:31.23 | quiescens | more that they need to cast more of *everything* |
| 16:31.40 | quiescens | not so much that their choice of spells is explicitly wrong |
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| 16:31.58 | cncfanatics | well, I'd like to figure a way to tell him what he is doing wrong >.> |
| 16:32.09 | cncfanatics | in a normal case I'd just get another resto druid, but our server is really really really low on healers |
| 16:32.16 | Silberbuechse | u are looking on a single encounter or allover view? |
| 16:32.26 | cncfanatics | both |
| 16:32.28 | cncfanatics | he's low on both |
| 16:32.30 | cncfanatics | all the time >.> |
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| 16:32.57 | ckknight | Axodious: we provide support by coincidence only. |
| 16:33.20 | cncfanatics | ckknight: you shld make it not work on purpose imo |
| 16:33.33 | ckknight | nah, some people have to use it at work |
| 16:33.34 | ckknight | so I understand |
| 16:33.42 | ckknight | they just get fucked up layouts |
| 16:33.42 | Axodious | same with mine, but from what I'm gathering you're only allowing certain versions to even see the bar, rather than all |
| 16:34.03 | ckknight | Axodious: the bar tells them to upgrade to a more modern browser. |
| 16:34.09 | Axodious | OH |
| 16:34.11 | Axodious | wow |
| 16:34.14 | Axodious | i missed the jump there |
| 16:34.15 | Axodious | completely |
| 16:34.20 | ckknight | okay |
| 16:34.23 | Axodious | my bad |
| 16:34.24 | cncfanatics | ckknight: is the bar a big red bar with FAIL in it ? |
| 16:34.31 | Megalon | gald i don't see bars with lynx! |
| 16:34.46 | ckknight | no, it looks exactly like the IE warning bar. |
| 16:34.53 | cncfanatics | aww :( |
| 16:34.59 | Axodious | the activex bar? |
| 16:35.00 | quiescens | I really have to think they probably just aren't casting enough |
| 16:35.02 | ckknight | yes, Axodious |
| 16:35.02 | quiescens | altogether |
| 16:35.04 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 16:35.06 | Axodious | that's cool |
| 16:35.19 | cncfanatics | quiescens: mmm, cld be he's just being lazy |
| 16:35.20 | ckknight | it links em to http://kb.curseforge.com/recommended-browsers/ |
| 16:35.25 | cncfanatics | guess I'll talk to him |
| 16:35.45 | quiescens | you got more renew ticks than they got rejuv ticks |
| 16:35.53 | quiescens | you did more flash heals than they did regrowths |
| 16:36.24 | cncfanatics | ok, seems it is serious slack then |
| 16:36.53 | cncfanatics | cheers quiescens :) |
| 16:37.40 | quiescens | 82 rejuvenation ticks and 17 regrowth casts in a 10 minute fight? |
| 16:38.12 | cncfanatics | u sure he didn't die on that fight ? |
| 16:38.19 | quiescens | er |
| 16:38.19 | cncfanatics | because that is quite close to just afk'ing the whole fight |
| 16:38.24 | quiescens | I'm looking at saph |
| 16:38.28 | quiescens | successful kill |
| 16:38.40 | quiescens | its probably the fight where a resto druid should do well |
| 16:38.51 | quiescens | predictable damage across many targets |
| 16:39.04 | cncfanatics | he died at that fight |
| 16:39.09 | cncfanatics | according to the parse |
| 16:39.17 | quiescens | blah |
| 16:39.29 | quiescens | how |
| 16:39.29 | quiescens | lol |
| 16:39.40 | cncfanatics | iirc, he "lagged" & got deep breathed |
| 16:39.48 | Axodious | tbh, these places people work at that are still running ie6, scare me |
| 16:39.58 | quiescens | what fights have you got that are helpful |
| 16:39.59 | quiescens | hm |
| 16:40.03 | quiescens | malygos I guess |
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| 16:41.03 | cncfanatics | seems he is also doing roughly my healing on maly |
| 16:41.08 | cncfanatics | according to the parse of try 2 |
| 16:41.14 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r464 / (3 files in 1 directory): Fix Target template |
| 16:41.39 | quiescens | how many healers are you technically running with |
| 16:42.06 | cncfanatics | on maly usualy 3 |
| 16:42.18 | cncfanatics | and on naxx 25 5-6 |
| 16:45.03 | Axodious | btw ckk, dunno if this is usefull to you... found this website when i was coding my guilds website http://browsershots.org , it takes screenshots from pretty much any browser on a few OS' |
| 16:45.16 | ckknight | ah, yea |
| 16:45.18 | ckknight | I've seen that |
| 16:45.31 | ckknight | I have access to everything but IE currently |
| 16:45.40 | ckknight | I need to purchase Parallels |
| 16:45.44 | ckknight | or better, convince Curse to buy it for me |
| 16:46.07 | Axodious | heh |
| 16:46.13 | durcyn | virtualbox |
| 16:46.14 | AckisWork | ckknight: I dunno, net wouldn't even give me $4 million yesterday :P |
| 16:46.22 | ckknight | cheap |
| 16:46.49 | durcyn | it's even free. |
| 16:47.04 | durcyn | and honestly, the parallels/vmware desktop integration is awkward at best |
| 16:47.25 | cncfanatics | if u just need IE working, use wine ? :p |
| 16:47.39 | durcyn | he's on a mac |
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| 16:47.57 | durcyn | though i guess darwine + ies4linux might work |
| 16:47.58 | cncfanatics | oh, what a nab |
| 16:48.17 | Xinhuan | hmm IE8 out today lol |
| 16:48.23 | Axodious | whatever you do, don't use windows server 2k8 HV |
| 16:49.50 | Axodious | omg tried setting that up at work |
| 16:49.51 | Axodious | it borked one of the network cards in teh server so bad we cant use it |
| 16:50.26 | Axodious | psh, ie8 website downloads the wrong copy if you use chrome |
| 16:50.27 | Axodious | -_- |
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| 16:53.26 | cncfanatics | ckknight: the link ur putting to IE8 should link to firefox/safari or chrome imo |
| 16:53.48 | ckknight | we already link to Firefox, Chrome, Opera, and Safari. |
| 16:53.51 | ckknight | so, no. |
| 16:54.05 | cncfanatics | don't link ppl to crap software :( |
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| 16:54.29 | ckknight | and I thought Wine doesn't support IE7 |
| 16:54.35 | ckknight | IE8's not horrible |
| 16:54.37 | ckknight | but it's not great |
| 16:54.44 | durcyn | ckknight: ies4linux has preliminary ie7 support |
| 16:54.48 | Axodious | it's still ie! |
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| 16:54.54 | ckknight | I don't use Linux, durcyn |
| 16:55.05 | cncfanatics | I find it too slow for the memory it takes |
| 16:55.06 | Axodious | microsoft will never get browsing right, NEVER! |
| 16:55.14 | durcyn | ckknight: ies4linux is just a wine installer script for ie, it's not platform specific per se |
| 16:55.40 | ckknight | Axodious: it'd be easy to get browsing right for them |
| 16:55.43 | ckknight | remove Trident |
| 16:55.45 | ckknight | add Webkit |
| 16:55.47 | ckknight | release IE9 |
| 16:56.10 | Axodious | like i said, never |
| 16:56.11 | Axodious | :p |
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| 16:57.23 | sztanpet | not that easy, trident is not just built into ie, .net uses it for simple browsing widgets |
| 16:57.48 | cncfanatics | I doubt microsoft would ever use anything open source in their OS directly |
| 16:57.51 | cncfanatics | sadly |
| 16:58.42 | sztanpet | i have basic problems with ie8-s ui and usability actually |
| 16:59.11 | sztanpet | my mom can use chrome without first me explaining it to her, not so with ie8 |
| 16:59.57 | durcyn | cncfanatics: you mean like the BSD-licensed networking stack and userspace tools they've been using for the past 20 years |
| 17:00.34 | cncfanatics | oO |
| 17:00.38 | Axodious | yeah i gotta say |
| 17:00.43 | Axodious | google got it right with chrome |
| 17:00.56 | Axodious | a bar with bookmarks and a bar for url input |
| 17:01.01 | Axodious | no 50 buttons |
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| 17:01.09 | cncfanatics | then why don't they replace all the other crap parts of windows ? |
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| 17:02.02 | sztanpet | everything must be backwards compatible, too many people are using it for them to break _everything_ |
| 17:02.17 | sztanpet | granted it would be refreshing |
| 17:02.52 | Axodious | i wonder what curseforge looks like in ie5 |
| 17:02.52 | Axodious | lol |
| 17:02.57 | ArrowmasterClass | did i join in the middle of something interesting? |
| 17:03.08 | ArrowmasterClass | oh were talking about IE? |
| 17:03.16 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: just standard MS bashing |
| 17:04.13 | ArrowmasterClass | my college teacher is out ordering us pizza =D |
| 17:04.34 | cncfanatics | oO |
| 17:04.39 | cncfanatics | what a damn nice teacher u got |
| 17:08.46 | ckknight | ArrowmasterClass: on IE6 and below, a bar shows up on curseforge/wowace telling people to upgrade |
| 17:09.11 | Grum | <ckknight> IE8's not horrible <-- it is |
| 17:09.17 | ckknight | it's better than IE7 |
| 17:09.22 | Grum | it has yet again a special retardmode |
| 17:09.23 | ckknight | but it's by no means a great browser |
| 17:09.28 | Grum | keeping all those broken sites in existance |
| 17:09.50 | ArrowmasterClass | haha |
| 17:10.21 | Grum | 'oh lookie i cannot code clean html .. or understand css .. lets put on retardmode in IE and UMG it le'works!' |
| 17:10.37 | Axodious | lol |
| 17:10.38 | ArrowmasterClass | my teacher is talking about the 5 hours he spent on the stand in court on wednesday |
| 17:10.39 | Axodious | its so true |
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| 17:11.31 | ArrowmasterClass | they showed 2girls1cup in a court room and made the female judge watch it because cause the defense was "it wasnt really pornographic videos" |
| 17:11.35 | Grum | sure it is tactical of microsoft not to break all the big sites that refuse to upgrade their petty piece of shit homepages ... |
| 17:11.41 | Grum | but if they do it once ... they have to do it again |
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| 17:12.18 | ArrowmasterClass | hmm time to take my final |
| 17:12.18 | Toadkiller | 2girls1cup IS porn if u are into eating shit, otherwise its just hard to watch |
| 17:12.29 | Grum | so the piece of shit sites will never get purged |
| 17:13.16 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r246 / (3 files in 3 directories): address filter function issue with DBM (#103) on live |
| 17:14.05 | ArrowmasterClass | i wonder if he showed the judge the naked photos of one defendent he found on the other defendents myspace profile, that the first defendents husband probably doesnt know about |
| 17:14.30 | ArrowmasterClass | ok now i seriously need to take this final |
| 17:21.52 | Repo | 10titan-professions: 03pr0ff * r37 / (2 files in 1 directory): add ruRU locale |
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| 17:25.35 | [Ammo] | ckknight: IE8 is actually worse than IE7 in its rendering of regular html strict sites that render fine in FF3, Safari, chrome and IE7 without special tweaks |
| 17:26.01 | [Ammo] | no browser exceptions in the css and html and IE8 just fucks up |
| 17:26.22 | [Ammo] | scrollbars where there shouldn't be and aren't on the other browsers etc |
| 17:26.40 | [Ammo] | it's a downgrade from IE7 from that point of view |
| 17:28.15 | ckknight | [Ammo]: lame |
| 17:28.52 | [Ammo] | yeah it sucks |
| 17:29.42 | [Ammo] | I think they fucked up the box model somewhere |
| 17:30.00 | [Ammo] | so we're back to if gt ie8 constructions :) |
| 17:30.09 | [Ammo] | to compensate |
| 17:32.03 | Toadkiller | I am sucking at search today: How does one make an icon button in AceConfig3? Do I really have to make a custom widget? |
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| 17:33.21 | Kaelten | I need some testers |
| 17:33.23 | Kaelten | for the mac client |
| 17:34.01 | Kaelten | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/289359/MacClient-3.0.0.2.zip |
| 17:34.33 | AckisWork | keylogger |
| 17:35.45 | Kaelten | ~lart Ackis |
| 17:35.45 | purl | puts Ackis through a wood chipper |
| 17:36.10 | renchap | looks better than the old |
| 17:36.24 | Kaelten | renchap: hehe that'd not be that difficult |
| 17:36.35 | renchap | but not as pretty as a true cocoa app |
| 17:36.44 | Kaelten | no |
| 17:36.46 | renchap | like ugly icons |
| 17:36.52 | Kaelten | it's because internally it's a carbon app |
| 17:37.02 | Kaelten | and wx's mac support is lacking at times so we've had to work around it |
| 17:37.06 | renchap | carbon must die |
| 17:37.09 | Kaelten | indeed |
| 17:37.21 | Kaelten | wx doesn't have good cocao support |
| 17:38.07 | ckknight | cocoa |
| 17:38.13 | Kaelten | ICOACOACDSOASDCOA |
| 17:38.15 | Kaelten | anyway |
| 17:38.17 | ckknight | Qt only got cocoa support with 4.5 |
| 17:38.19 | ckknight | but at least it has it now. |
| 17:38.29 | Kaelten | renchap: it does use sparkle for updating though |
| 17:39.29 | Zhinjio | G'morning. |
| 17:39.32 | Fisker- | ~kaelten++ |
| 17:40.12 | Kaelten | Fisker-: huh? |
| 17:40.26 | cncfanatics | anyone that can suggest me an addon to do healing assignments ? |
| 17:40.40 | Fisker- | ~karma Kaelten |
| 17:40.40 | purl | kaelten has karma of 1 |
| 17:40.44 | Fisker- | yipee |
| 17:41.02 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:41.59 | Repo | New poll: http://www.wowace.com/polls/what-os-do-you-code-addons-with/ |
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| 17:42.07 | ArrowmasterClass | hmm pizza |
| 17:42.10 | ckknight | I'm curious |
| 17:42.12 | ckknight | so, vote |
| 17:42.12 | ArrowmasterClass | now back to this final |
| 17:42.36 | Olison | Haha ckknight, seeing you on the textmate channel is no coincidence then? |
| 17:42.49 | Axodious | http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/36/364ef75b5a6862317e1104bbdec55550.png wow, curseforge looks ugly on ie4 :P |
| 17:42.52 | ckknight | Olison: :P |
| 17:42.56 | ckknight | Olison: I use Textmate |
| 17:43.09 | Olison | Same, hehe |
| 17:43.23 | AckisWork | ckknight: I had to add my own option :( |
| 17:43.29 | ckknight | lol, AckisWork |
| 17:43.30 | ckknight | saw |
| 17:43.33 | AckisWork | Kaelten: didn't you have a project where it added the wow api stuff? |
| 17:43.38 | AckisWork | to like notepad |
| 17:43.44 | ckknight | yea, it's sweet |
| 17:43.53 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/projects/wow-textmate/ |
| 17:43.54 | Kaelten | AckisWork: I have it for textmate yeah |
| 17:43.58 | Kaelten | yeah that's the one |
| 17:44.04 | AckisWork | ahh weren't you extended it for others? |
| 17:44.11 | AckisWork | my typewriter needs it |
| 17:44.16 | Kaelten | um, nope |
| 17:44.26 | AckisWork | pity |
| 17:45.07 | AckisWork | was gonna see if there was anything that could go through a lua file, tell you how many times all the blizz api calls are called, and if you've made them local, etc |
| 17:45.18 | Olison | Oh nice Bundle there, ckknight |
| 17:45.19 | AckisWork | aka i'm being a lazy asshole |
| 17:45.34 | ckknight | Olison: yea, I use it, makes things a bit nicer. |
| 17:45.38 | Olison | Oh, Kaelten, sorry -.- |
| 17:45.41 | ckknight | Olison: (it's actually Kaelten's) |
| 17:45.49 | Olison | Just saw, hehe |
| 17:45.50 | ckknight | :P |
| 17:45.51 | Kaelten | :P |
| 17:46.02 | Kaelten | there are some more fixes I want to fix |
| 17:46.07 | Kaelten | but the regex fu required is extreme |
| 17:47.19 | AckisWork | @ticket wow-textmate 1 |
| 17:47.21 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/wow-textmate/tickets/1 - Expand to notepad++. Reported by: Ackis. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 4 seconds ago. Status: New. Priority: Critical. Assignee: Kaelten. Votes: 0. Comments: 0 |
| 17:47.26 | AckisWork | grins. |
| 17:48.10 | Repo | 10chatter: 03mikk * r228 Modules/AltNames.lua: AltNames: |
| 17:48.13 | Repo | - Avoid a "You are not in a guild." error message for unguilded toons |
| 17:48.16 | Repo | - Avoid toons being promoted/demoted past an "Alt" rank retaining unwanted notes (until next reload/relog) |
| 17:49.18 | VonhintenHOME` | what is causing those You are not in a guild. messages on toons that ARE in a guild |
| 17:49.33 | VonhintenHOME` | (always on logout) |
| 17:49.49 | Primer | event based programming gone bad? |
| 17:56.00 | Mikk | VonhintenHOME`: how about you disable addons until it goes away and tell us which addon is misbehaving? =) |
| 17:57.36 | Stanzilla | Mikk: do you know if the urlcopy module fix for 3.1 was ever committed to chatter? |
| 17:57.38 | VonhintenHOME` | meh.. I run too many addons, plus, it's random |
| 17:57.50 | Primer | happens to me too |
| 17:58.54 | Toadkiller | Is there a collection of widgets for acegui / aceconfig3 somewhere? |
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| 18:09.33 | AckisWork | http://www.beckett.com/estore/news/?eskin=subMOG&a=10092&s=51 <-- contest for a wow stein |
| 18:10.05 | selckin | ugly |
| 18:11.15 | VonhintenHOME` | ceramic or plastic |
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| 18:11.54 | AckisWork | they're the ones blizz sells :P |
| 18:12.20 | durcyn | wowsteins.com |
| 18:12.23 | durcyn | iirc |
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| 18:16.53 | Stanzilla | vhaarr / nevcairiel http://pastey.net/110586 |
| 18:16.53 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r247 services/chatsections.lua: more stuff to try to address (#103) |
| 18:21.25 | NeoTron | Kaelten: so I tried out curse updater last night and it seems like it downloads packages for addons and then check for a repository? maybe it was a display issue |
| 18:22.05 | NeoTron | I found that the display was unclear in regards to whether an addon was using svn or similar or not (rather it seemed to move things under "unknown" tab? |
| 18:22.08 | ArrowmasterClass | 92.9293 |
| 18:22.20 | ArrowmasterClass | somehow thats my grade for a 100 point test...... |
| 18:22.38 | Xinhuan | you have been jibbed of 7.0707 points |
| 18:22.49 | Xinhuan | probably repeating of course |
| 18:23.17 | ArrowmasterClass | hmm my pizza got cold |
| 18:23.44 | Xinhuan | which would make that 700/99 to be exact ;p |
| 18:24.36 | ArrowmasterClass | do i want to ask why you know that? |
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| 18:24.56 | Xinhuan | if you mean how i arrived at that fraction, maybe |
| 18:25.01 | NeoTron | I also tested wowmatrix to see how that worked and the main difference I noticed (other than cross-side) was that it clearly marked which addons where checked out via svn. also noticed addons are manually added to it rather than automatically (for example MagicDKP wasn't in there) |
| 18:25.44 | NeoTron | I'd say both of the clients are pretty similar from a user standpoint (most users don't use SVN, but wowmatrix definitely handled that particular issue better) |
| 18:26.07 | NeoTron | so there's for comming with comments after actually using the clients.. |
| 18:26.24 | Xinhuan | NeoTron: until pay-premium-to-update-all-in-one-click comes in |
| 18:26.49 | NeoTron | you mean the "shoot myself in the foot" feature? |
| 18:26.55 | NeoTron | yeah that'll move people away from curse client.. |
| 18:27.18 | Xinhuan | well i do suspect a number of people will just continue to use the beta CC and not upgrade at all to release version if that happens |
| 18:27.33 | Xinhuan | unless there's some sort of version checking |
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| 18:27.49 | NeoTron | one thing both could do better I think is to sort addons that need updating separately from ones that do not, and onces that are unknown |
| 18:28.47 | NeoTron | but the current curse client could be a contender if features are improved rather than reduced |
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| 18:48.37 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel * r631 sRaidFrames.lua: Fix the Buff_ status elements when buff filtering is active |
| 18:49.04 | Toadkiller | uhm the curse updater does sort addons needing an update to the top... |
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| 18:55.32 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r248 addon/addon.lua: fix PTR detection 31000 -> 30100 |
| 18:56.32 | Fisker- | so Kaelten |
| 18:56.34 | Fisker- | what was the price? |
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| 19:00.00 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03ulic * r5059 Ulduar/Mimiron.lua: BigWigs: Fixed typo in "Spinning ". Reported by Stanzilla. |
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| 19:03.11 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: re: sraidframes -> do you get any errors on profile switching? |
| 19:03.20 | nevcairiel | i didnt try, really |
| 19:03.21 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:03.23 | Fisker- | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:03.40 | nevcairiel | if you get an error, just /rl after switching |
| 19:03.44 | nevcairiel | and it *should* be fine |
| 19:03.47 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: lol try I was getting some last night |
| 19:03.50 | thul | hugs nevcairiel |
| 19:03.54 | thul | rapes Fisker- to death |
| 19:04.49 | Megalon | rapes dead Fisker- |
| 19:05.04 | Megalon | is it rape if its dead? |
| 19:05.23 | Fisker- | awesome thul |
| 19:05.26 | Fisker- | can i have seconds? |
| 19:05.26 | durcyn | desecration of a corpse is a crime in most states |
| 19:05.39 | Megalon | ah yea |
| 19:05.44 | Fisker- | That wasn't the question durcyn |
| 19:05.48 | AckisWork | durcyn: who says you're desecrating it? you're making sweet sweet love to it |
| 19:06.36 | thul | Fisker- has sloppy, dead seconds on himself. |
| 19:06.43 | AckisWork | I read a news article a while back that had the statement "they were caught with shovels and a box of condoms" |
| 19:06.44 | thul | I'm so glad noone here psychoanalysis us |
| 19:09.13 | Megalon | they wanted to bury a box of condoms? |
| 19:09.17 | Megalon | weird people are weird |
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| 19:10.50 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/projects/arl/tickets/444-lib-babble-crash-error/ <-- fixed right? |
| 19:11.01 | AckisWork | Megalon: no, they were arrested for digging up a girl who was buried a week before :P |
| 19:11.28 | nevcairiel | yes fixed |
| 19:11.33 | nevcairiel | well not yet on the files |
| 19:11.34 | nevcairiel | uploads |
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| 19:15.06 | Megalon | desperate move |
| 19:15.39 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar 043.1.0b1 * r249 : Tagging as 3.1.0b1 |
| 19:16.08 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03Swix * r216 RatingBuster-Locale-ruRU.lua: ruRU spelling changes |
| 19:17.27 | AckisWork | http://www.wowace.com/projects/arl/tickets/443-move-minimap-button-via-mouse/ <-- ???? |
| 19:19.30 | Arrowmaster | you have a minimap button? |
| 19:20.00 | AckisWork | no |
| 19:20.23 | AckisWork | that's why I'm going ??? |
| 19:20.26 | AckisWork | http://kb.wowace.com/projects/pkgmeta-file/#w-specifying-externals the libsuit example there gets the latest trunk? |
| 19:21.59 | Arrowmaster | yes and so does the libmonkey ones |
| 19:22.10 | nevcairiel | well its not trunk on hg, but yes |
| 19:23.07 | Repo | 10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r184 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: |
| 19:23.10 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
| 19:23.32 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: so basically libsuit == libmonkey? |
| 19:24.03 | Repo | 10libbabble-zone-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r192 LibBabble-Zone-3.0.lua: |
| 19:24.06 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
| 19:27.48 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: so the issue I had with the dropdown is solved but I don't know why I had the issue. it appears that it sometimes got hidden and wasn't shown |
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| 19:28.16 | NeoTron | which is weird since it should be shown/hidden with the parent frame (which is set). ah well. manual Show() should do the trick |
| 19:34.13 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.curseforge.com/projects/pkgmeta-file/ by Ackis |
| 19:35.42 | ckknight | what the deuce |
| 19:35.45 | ckknight | that should give the wowace link |
| 19:36.14 | Fisker- | you're not stewie ckknight |
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| 19:44.05 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1585 .pkgmeta: |
| 19:44.08 | Repo | Update .pkgmeta to use new format and to get libaboutpanel's latest trunk |
| 19:45.23 | Arrowmaster | the old way works too |
| 19:46.15 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: new way is easier for me to read and I had half one way, half the other way |
| 19:51.57 | ckknight | AckisWork: you killed Repo. |
| 19:52.06 | AckisWork | yay |
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| 19:52.17 | ckknight | I hope you're happy |
| 19:52.20 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 19:52.20 | AckisWork | isn't the score like Ackis 5000 Repo 0 now? |
| 19:52.32 | Xinhuan | @describe arl |
| 19:52.34 | Repo | Xinhuan: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 19:52.44 | AckisWork | ckknight: my day isn't complete unless I kill repo at least once |
| 19:52.48 | Xinhuan | did i mention @describe is also broken |
| 19:52.55 | Xinhuan | its been broken the last week thru now |
| 19:53.26 | ckknight | but kb changes should make repo give proper urls |
| 19:53.31 | ckknight | @describe curseforge |
| 19:53.32 | Repo | ckknight: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 19:53.35 | ckknight | blah. |
| 19:53.41 | ckknight | Xinhuan: why wasn't I informed? |
| 19:53.44 | ckknight | it says to inform me. |
| 19:53.46 | Xinhuan | i forgot |
| 19:53.50 | Xinhuan | :< |
| 19:53.56 | Xinhuan | it also wasn't terribly important |
| 19:54.20 | AckisWork | ckknight: he just informed you |
| 19:54.22 | Xinhuan | as @project still worked and i just clicked the link to get the desc ;p |
| 19:54.43 | Xinhuan | also, the bot says the error has been logged, nobody reads bot logs? hehe |
| 19:55.51 | ckknight | why would I unless I knew something was wrong? |
| 19:55.51 | ckknight | :P |
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| 19:55.59 | ckknight | @describe curseforge |
| 19:56.18 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/. CurseForge.com. CurseForge is a site by addon developers for addon developers. Our goal is to provide you, the addon author, the tools you need and a better user experience in order to make your life easier. We're... |
| 19:57.46 | ckknight | Xinhuan: yay? |
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| 19:57.56 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 19:58.22 | sb|work | uhm |
| 19:58.48 | AckisWork | describe ckk'spenis |
| 19:58.51 | AckisWork | @describe ckk'spenis |
| 19:58.52 | Repo | AckisWork: No project found that matches 'ckk'spenis' |
| 19:58.58 | AckisWork | wow!!! I knew it! |
| 19:59.03 | AckisWork | (too bad I failed the first time :() |
| 19:59.14 | Zhinjio | I think Ackis is 12 years old. |
| 19:59.31 | AckisWork | teheehehehe's |
| 19:59.43 | AckisWork | nah I'm prolly older than most of the people in the channel :P |
| 19:59.44 | silentium | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. <- sounds to me like it's logged and will be handled, and you only need to contact someone if you want to learn more about it |
| 20:00.04 | Zhinjio | but not older than I |
| 20:00.27 | AckisWork | true |
| 20:03.02 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r5060 Ulduar/Mimiron.lua: Mimiron: frFR Update |
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| 20:04.37 | Industrial | 3 joints two hours |
| 20:04.40 | Industrial | like a madafaka |
| 20:04.58 | NeoTron | he's old enough to have fallen into 12 yo level of maturity again |
| 20:07.17 | NeoTron | I suspect MagicDKP will need quite a bit of manual hackery to work in Ulduar... all these mobs taht don't die, weird vehicles etc |
| 20:08.05 | Xinhuan | "An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information." should be changed to say report to ckknight ;p |
| 20:08.19 | Xinhuan | i don't think anyone else can touch repo right? |
| 20:08.29 | ckknight | Kaelten could |
| 20:08.35 | ckknight | but I doubt he has the courage to |
| 20:08.37 | ckknight | <.< |
| 20:08.38 | ckknight | >.> |
| 20:09.12 | ckknight | AckisWork: btw, said penis is too large to fit into Repo's memory. |
| 20:09.17 | ckknight | that's why it couldn't find it |
| 20:09.27 | AckisWork | lol |
| 20:10.13 | NivFreak | ninja2009.com unreachable.. failure |
| 20:10.53 | Xinhuan | http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/put-a-bible-over-your-penis,-says-pope-200903181648 |
| 20:10.57 | Xinhuan | i linked this earlier ;p |
| 20:11.04 | Xinhuan | but its funny enough to warrant a relink |
| 20:11.10 | Xinhuan | (SFW) |
| 20:16.06 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1586 / (6 files in 3 directories): |
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| 20:16.10 | Repo | All opposite faction acquire methods will now be hidden in the tooltips... you will still see them if your faction filter is on. Updated changelog and docs to reflect this. |
| 20:17.53 | Druidicbeast | Xinhuan: i lol'd |
| 20:18.05 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: w...t...f... |
| 20:18.14 | ckknight | Xinhuan: my condoms have "John 3:16" on them. |
| 20:18.16 | ckknight | ... |
| 20:18.18 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:18.33 | Druidicbeast | ckknight: wow |
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| 20:20.58 | Xinhuan | of course, i can't tell if that link is true news or fake news |
| 20:21.07 | Xinhuan | but if its fake, i would imagine serious repercussions ;p |
| 20:21.35 | NivFreak | either way |
| 20:21.35 | NivFreak | wtf |
| 20:24.05 | thul | my pistol shooting is improving. |
| 20:25.14 | AckisWork | what's the min/max font size in game |
| 20:33.21 | AckisWork | ckknight: what did I do wrong now: http://paste.wowace.com/361/ ? |
| 20:33.51 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth * r158 / (4 files in 4 directories): --Fix the new rejuv potions |
| 20:33.54 | Repo | --Worg Tartare |
| 20:33.57 | Repo | --Some daily quest items |
| 20:38.10 | ckknight | AckisWork: you broke the pipe |
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| 20:38.54 | ckknight | AckisWork: could be that the lua was so huge... |
| 20:39.03 | AckisWork | why the hell is it always me that breaks the pipe? |
| 20:39.07 | AckisWork | size matters! |
| 20:42.34 | ckknight | AckisWork: try now |
| 20:43.31 | AckisWork | ckknight: neg |
| 20:43.41 | ckknight | paste the error |
| 20:45.03 | AckisWork | http://paste.wowace.com/361/ the second set on that page |
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| 20:45.44 | NivFreak | Antiarc: it's nice that chatter's alt names module is scraping guild notes, but it's a bit liberal :) |
| 20:47.14 | Jaxon | I like when it tells me [G][Grok][Grok]: HI GUILD |
| 20:47.21 | Jaxon | because his guild note has Grok in it |
| 20:47.23 | NivFreak | yea |
| 20:47.33 | NivFreak | and we have lots of Friend: Niv entries |
| 20:47.38 | NivFreak | so everyone shows up as my alts |
| 20:47.39 | NivFreak | haha |
| 20:47.54 | Jaxon | Well that is your fault for being so damn socialble. |
| 20:49.01 | NivFreak | it's less confusing than when it's someone else that I don't know, tagged as an alt of one of my officers for example ;) |
| 20:52.55 | NeoTron | NivFreak: indeed |
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| 20:59.56 | evl | dotanor1 jeg ble bare kasta ut :( |
| 21:01.10 | NeoTron | Varför pratar du helt plötsligt på ett främmande språk? Eller kanske snarare, vem pratar du med? |
| 21:03.22 | Repo | 10auto-bar: 03Azethoth * r752 ChangeList.lua: --Pick up some PT changes |
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| 21:07.55 | Tinyboom | scandinavian channel suddenly? :p |
| 21:08.26 | NeoTron | Bork bork bork |
| 21:08.31 | pentium166 | cannot find updater.exe! |
| 21:08.41 | Tinyboom | it's hiding |
| 21:10.44 | Jaxon | Hey, is this new? |
| 21:10.45 | Jaxon | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/ui.html |
| 21:11.02 | Jaxon | I'd think so. |
| 21:11.14 | Hjalte | Yes, it's new. |
| 21:11.41 | Jaxon | That is amazingly interesting. |
| 21:12.08 | Stanzilla | that pwnd Carbonite |
| 21:12.09 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 21:12.20 | Tinyboom | pentium166: I think you have to ask "updater.exe" nicely ;) |
| 21:12.31 | pentium166 | "5) Add-ons may not solicit donations." Carbonite isn't the only one affected :p |
| 21:12.36 | NeoTron | Bewjeweled too - the obfuscate part |
| 21:12.38 | Jaxon | ^^ Exactly |
| 21:12.43 | Jaxon | And a bunch obfuscate. |
| 21:12.58 | harl | logon server seems to be deaf |
| 21:13.37 | Jaxon | I wonder how quickly they plan on eneforcing this, or what they plan on doing with out of date addons. Obviously only worth going after the more popular ones, but also how they are going to disable individual addons. |
| 21:13.40 | pentium166 | That policy seems like a bunch of crap to me. |
| 21:13.41 | selckin | doesn't this ban 'curse client premium' stuff too ? |
| 21:13.56 | VonhintenHOME` | no |
| 21:14.10 | VonhintenHOME` | they aren't restricting the addon delivery or installation mechanism |
| 21:14.37 | jnwhiteh | is that a service related to the addon? |
| 21:14.52 | silentium | "4) Add-ons may not include advertisements. Add-ons may not be used to advertise any goods or services. " so you arent allowed to use addons to advertise your tradeskills? ;) |
| 21:14.59 | pentium166 | it does say "require", curse client premium isn't required |
| 21:15.19 | selckin | it's weak laywerees at best |
| 21:15.29 | durcyn | silentium: it's referring to addons that advertise out-of-game products and services, such as carbonite is attempting to do with their latest version |
| 21:15.37 | VonhintenHOME` | No soliciting of donations is a low blow though |
| 21:16.00 | VonhintenHOME` | I'd like to hear a valid case for that restriction |
| 21:16.08 | silentium | durcyn: I know what they *mean*, but what they *say* it "*any* goods or services" |
| 21:16.20 | selckin | VonhintenHOME`: only ingame tho |
| 21:16.24 | ckknight | btw, we have no plans to enforce the "no donations" thing on wowace/curseforge. |
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| 21:16.27 | jnwhiteh | VonhintenHOME`: slippery slope with advertising, I suspect. |
| 21:16.31 | jnwhiteh | ckknight: glad to hear it! |
| 21:16.40 | durcyn | silentium: yeah, well, it's lawyerese with wiggle room, what'd you expect? |
| 21:17.01 | ckknight | and I am absolutely not getting rid of my donation buttons |
| 21:17.13 | ckknight | I consider them non-obtrusive |
| 21:17.20 | ckknight | I don't ask, I just provide a button when you mess with settings |
| 21:17.44 | VonhintenHOME` | What kills me is, I work for a software company... there are plenty of other companies that sell goods related to our software... |
| 21:18.07 | VonhintenHOME` | it's not illegal to do so. What makes blizz think they can control every cent that's made in relation to their software |
| 21:18.25 | ckknight | yea, that is pretty bullshit |
| 21:18.44 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 21:18.47 | jnwhiteh | bad to hear it |
| 21:18.51 | jnwhiteh | i misread you |
| 21:19.09 | ckknight | jnwhiteh: okay then |
| 21:19.13 | silentium | I really doubt they can enforce all that by law, at least where I live |
| 21:19.15 | harl | has no problem at all with ckknight's donation buttons. |
| 21:19.22 | ckknight | yea, this seems really unenforceable |
| 21:19.31 | VonhintenHOME` | They're bordering on antitrust |
| 21:19.33 | pentium166 | who wants to bet that posts about it get deleted |
| 21:19.47 | harl | what? |
| 21:19.48 | silentium | pentium166: what posts? ;) |
| 21:19.53 | jnwhiteh | how is this even remotely anti-truist? |
| 21:19.54 | ckknight | we (meaning me, Kaelten, other moderators) need to discuss a policy about obfuscated code |
| 21:19.55 | jnwhiteh | that doens't make sense |
| 21:19.57 | ckknight | and other points on the list |
| 21:20.45 | NeoTron | ckknight: well... "it's not allowed" seems like a good policy. :P |
| 21:20.49 | harl | wonders where pentium166 is from. |
| 21:20.50 | AckisWork | ckknight: we already block pay for addons |
| 21:20.53 | AckisWork | kinda |
| 21:20.57 | ckknight | yes, that's true |
| 21:21.08 | ckknight | but we have allowed Carbonite Quest (the non-ad version) despite it being obfuscated. |
| 21:21.13 | Vangual | in the most extreme case, bliz could go the appstore road and use the addon signing mechanism they already have in place and enforce it :/ |
| 21:21.19 | pentium166 | is from canada |
| 21:21.27 | NeoTron | man that would be a pain in the ass |
| 21:21.28 | pentium166 | ew. |
| 21:21.34 | Vangual | but that'd be so much additional work for them that it's highly unlikely |
| 21:21.42 | harl | pentium166: ok. thanks ;) |
| 21:21.47 | VonhintenHOME` | I doubt they're interested in shooting themselves in the foot |
| 21:21.51 | NeoTron | that'd be a good ,... right |
| 21:22.36 | VonhintenHOME` | I think it's more likely that in the case of an addon breaking the "3) Add-ons must not negatively impact World of Warcraft realms or other players. |
| 21:22.46 | VonhintenHOME` | " clause, that they'd first try to help them improve performance |
| 21:23.08 | VonhintenHOME` | than anything hostile |
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| 21:24.08 | silentium | that rule could even forbid their own macro UI, since you can use it to spam public channels... |
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| 21:24.37 | pentium166 | you could spam public channels with enter control+v enter almost as fast |
| 21:24.42 | Vangual | hmm, is it known wether macro changes are saved to the blizzard db immediately or are programmatic macro changes throttled? |
| 21:25.31 | silentium | omg! forbid the chat box UI! |
| 21:26.05 | pentium166 | disney chat time! |
| 21:26.49 | pentium166 | http://thefarmers.org/Habitat/2007/03/the_untold_history_of_toontown_1.html |
| 21:29.46 | VonhintenHOME` | lol "I want to stick my long-necked Giraffe up your fluffy white bunny" |
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| 21:30.28 | NeoTron | pentium166: they added a "safe chat" type feature where you can actually type approved words directly |
| 21:31.02 | NeoTron | my 7 yo son figured out how to use this to tell others his "friend code" |
| 21:31.11 | NeoTron | "third letter in dog" etc |
| 21:33.09 | harl | yeah, logon working again |
| 21:33.15 | harl | cheers. |
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| 21:36.27 | Xinhuan | 5) Add-ons may not solicit donations. |
| 21:36.27 | Xinhuan | Add-ons may not include requests for donations. We recognize the immense amount of effort and resources that go into developing an add-on; however, such requests should be limited to the add-on website or distribution site and should not appear in the game. |
| 21:36.31 | Xinhuan | hmmm. |
| 21:36.56 | ckknight | yea, I'm not abiding by that. |
| 21:37.05 | Xinhuan | does that mean i need to remove the "Do you accept donations? Yes, send them to xxx@yyy.com using paypal" FAQ question |
| 21:37.09 | Xinhuan | in my addons |
| 21:37.30 | ckknight | you can if you want, we're not going to force you |
| 21:37.32 | NeoTron | if it's in-game in theory you should |
| 21:37.43 | ckknight | I'm not going to, Xinhuan |
| 21:38.04 | Xinhuan | well, i'm throwing out this question to get some discussion going |
| 21:38.13 | Xinhuan | on whether it is considered soliciting |
| 21:38.20 | ckknight | yes, it is |
| 21:38.25 | ckknight | and it's bullshit |
| 21:38.41 | NivFreak | wow, that UI policy sure makes me eat my words :) |
| 21:39.12 | AckisWork | can I make a LibDonate-1.0? |
| 21:39.15 | Zhinjio | so what's with the CC and Updater going bonkers? |
| 21:39.48 | Pazza_ | lol@libDonate |
| 21:39.51 | Xinhuan | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/ui.html |
| 21:39.59 | Xinhuan | it sure makes carbonite illegal |
| 21:40.05 | NeoTron | which is good |
| 21:40.06 | Xinhuan | and bejeweled as well |
| 21:40.12 | NeoTron | I find obfuscated code evil |
| 21:40.24 | NeoTron | since I actually DO look at addon code to see what it's doing |
| 21:40.28 | pentium166 | i hope popcap sends them nasty letters |
| 21:40.39 | NeoTron | why? |
| 21:40.51 | NeoTron | do you like addons that can hide what they actually do? |
| 21:41.01 | pentium166 | i dunno, i prefer obfuscated code to the ui policy |
| 21:41.12 | NivFreak | owever, such requests should be limited to the add-on website or distribution site and should not appear in the game. |
| 21:41.15 | NeoTron | in beta you were able to precompile your addons into bytecode |
| 21:41.22 | NivFreak | so you can ask for donations outside of wow |
| 21:41.25 | NivFreak | just not inside |
| 21:41.31 | NeoTron | they changed it because someone made a questionable addon and people didn't know since the source wasn't available |
| 21:41.47 | NeoTron | obfuscating code is no better |
| 21:41.55 | Shadowed | what |
| 21:41.59 | Shadowed | why would you possibly like obsfucated code |
| 21:42.06 | pentium166 | okay, forget i said that |
| 21:42.12 | Pazza_ | encrypt your code... include as string, decode in addon and run it. lol |
| 21:42.16 | pentium166 | i'm just in favour of nasty letters |
| 21:42.28 | Repo | 10dynperf: 03Adirelle * r4 / (8 files in 3 directories): Added configuration GUI. |
| 21:42.34 | Pazza_ | even removing all whitespace could drive a reader insane |
| 21:43.00 | NivFreak | ckknight: so all you have to do to comply, is remove your in game donation requests |
| 21:43.08 | ckknight | I refuse to comply. |
| 21:43.22 | NivFreak | I wonder how that'll work out |
| 21:43.25 | Vangual | obfuscated code keeps the different error report tickets small :P |
| 21:43.29 | ckknight | I doubt they'll do anything |
| 21:43.53 | NivFreak | you're decently high profile |
| 21:44.16 | ckknight | If Blizzard contacts me or curse, I'll deal with it at that point |
| 21:44.18 | ckknight | until then, fuck em |
| 21:44.56 | Xinhuan | well my question is whether hiding my paypal email address deep inside a FAQ that requires extreme navigation to reach counts as soliciting |
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| 21:45.05 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 21:45.08 | ckknight | maybe. |
| 21:45.10 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: I'm guessing it technically does |
| 21:45.36 | Pazza_ | blizzard isn't going to read your faq.. lol.. I know because users don't read built in documentation. |
| 21:45.52 | Pazza_ | users don't read documentation at all |
| 21:45.57 | NivFreak | I've really only noticed two places where people ask for donations |
| 21:46.02 | NivFreak | ckknight's stuff |
| 21:46.05 | NivFreak | and questhelper iirc |
| 21:46.45 | Pazza_ | and I doubt they are going to add a check for the words donate paypal and emailaddresses before running your code... |
| 21:47.32 | ckknight | if they somehow prevent my donation buttons, I'll be replacing them with text that says "There would be a donation button here, but Blizzard wants all the money to themselves. Send an email to <whoever> asking them to stop abusing authors." |
| 21:47.34 | ckknight | or something |
| 21:47.35 | Vangual | changing SetText() to filter for paypal and autodisabling addon, heh. |
| 21:48.07 | Pazza_ | just link http://www.devolution.com/~slouken/ |
| 21:49.05 | VonhintenHOME` | Just replace it with a button that says "Donations are not allowed by blizzard. To find out why, click here: [www.myaddon.com/HowToDonate] |
| 21:49.30 | ckknight | lol |
| 21:49.30 | ckknight | l |
| 21:49.42 | ckknight | I'd rather incite the people to revolt |
| 21:49.44 | NeoTron | Pazza_: fyi Sam doesn't work on WoW anymore. he works on the next MMO in line |
| 21:49.44 | ckknight | by mass-email |
| 21:51.25 | Pazza_ | im interested in seeing if Blizzard can make another MMO which can survive next to WoW |
| 21:51.26 | NivFreak | ckknight: I doubt many care |
| 21:51.36 | ckknight | eh, I bet some would do it |
| 21:51.37 | Pazza_ | MMO's have put so many game companies under |
| 21:51.50 | ckknight | Pazza_: I definitely think they can do it. |
| 21:52.08 | selckin | their reputation is everything, ppl will buy it just for that |
| 21:52.43 | selckin | plus its no the only thing they ahve like most other companies |
| 21:52.53 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:52.58 | ckknight | they also have SC2 and Diablo 3 in the works |
| 21:53.07 | ckknight | both of which will be hugely successful |
| 21:53.21 | NivFreak | did anyone go to blizzcon last year? |
| 21:53.41 | Kilroo | Probably. |
| 21:53.46 | VonhintenHOME` | Diablo 3 will compete directly with WoW, at least for a while |
| 21:53.58 | ckknight | VonhintenHOME`: I doubt that. |
| 21:54.07 | NivFreak | ditto |
| 21:54.12 | NivFreak | I've heard a few people assert that |
| 21:54.12 | ckknight | I bet most people who have played WoW and get D3 will just keep their WoW subscriptions |
| 21:54.15 | ckknight | which is all that matters. |
| 21:54.21 | VonhintenHOME` | I'll be playing D3 when it comes out... but I'll go back to WoW when I've had my fill |
| 21:54.35 | NivFreak | I played the little single level demo they had at blizzcon |
| 21:54.37 | Kilroo | Here's a fun bit for you |
| 21:54.40 | NivFreak | and while it was cool |
| 21:54.43 | NivFreak | it won't replace wow for me |
| 21:54.53 | VonhintenHOME` | I think you underestimate the amount of people that live pay check to pay check :0 |
| 21:54.58 | Kilroo | For some people, WoW competes directly with Unreal Tournament. The original one. |
| 21:55.09 | NivFreak | Kilroo: lol? |
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| 21:56.00 | Kilroo | Well, since Albatross18 kicked the bucket and is no longer taunting me with their stupid Gameguard to make me play it on my laptop, those are the only two games making demands on my time. |
| 21:56.13 | VonhintenHOME` | speaking of FPS's... CoD5 map pack just released on xbox live |
| 21:56.27 | EthanCentaurai | CoD5 is out? |
| 21:56.36 | pentium166 | world at war! |
| 21:56.38 | VonhintenHOME` | CoD wold at war |
| 21:56.41 | VonhintenHOME` | world |
| 21:56.53 | EthanCentaurai | world at war is not CoD5 =/ |
| 21:56.54 | Kilroo | not to be confused with War of the Worlds. |
| 21:57.00 | pentium166 | i'm waiting for modern warfare 2 |
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| 21:57.07 | VonhintenHOME` | sure it is, CoD4 was modern warfare |
| 21:57.07 | EthanCentaurai | me too |
| 21:57.28 | pentium166 | they should have just given them plain numbers or drop the numbering entirely |
| 21:57.37 | pentium166 | in my opinion. |
| 21:58.17 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm a surgeon with the MG42 |
| 22:00.45 | pentium166 | hahaha |
| 22:01.07 | pentium166 | I just logged onto the test realm and was falling in space, with star background and everything, surrounded by other NPCs and a few players |
| 22:02.24 | VonhintenHOME` | Floors are overrated |
| 22:02.26 | selckin | thats called falling throught the world |
| 22:02.31 | selckin | quite common |
| 22:04.17 | pentium166 | i've never had it happen with the stars before |
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| 22:06.38 | taleden | I remember BWL crashing back in the day, with a dozen guilds in there |
| 22:06.53 | taleden | down there under the terrain at the bottom of the world was a solid column of 12*40 corpses |
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| 22:09.56 | NeoTron | VonhintenHOME`: I'll likely get D3 and play it with the guild members but it sure as heck won't replace wow |
| 22:09.59 | NeoTron | it's a different beast |
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| 22:21.33 | ckknight | so you all know, wrt Blizzard's new policy, we're still discussing the ramifications internally within Curse. We will not begin any kind of addon or file filtering (outside of what we do now) until we have come up with a new policy. |
| 22:22.40 | Shefki | New policy? |
| 22:22.53 | ckknight | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/ui.html |
| 22:23.15 | VonhintenHOME` | not really curses job, is it |
| 22:23.38 | NivFreak | I'd imagine there's no real direct impact on curse itself |
| 22:24.05 | Shefki | wow when did they post this and where's the thread? |
| 22:24.17 | Kody- | It was a news post today |
| 22:24.17 | Shefki | The donation thing is a bunch of bull. |
| 22:24.26 | Kody- | But they "stickied" the battle.net crap so it's down below it |
| 22:25.18 | AckisWork | what's the battle.net crap? |
| 22:25.29 | VonhintenHOME` | acct management = battle.net |
| 22:25.57 | AckisWork | oh does this mean I get unbanned? |
| 22:26.11 | Kuja^ | nah |
| 22:26.12 | durcyn | doubtful. |
| 22:26.21 | durcyn | but you deserve to be banned, so it all evens out |
| 22:26.30 | AckisWork | diaf |
| 22:26.32 | Kuja^ | you still need a "classic" battle.net account |
| 22:26.35 | AckisWork | I don't fucking deserve the ban |
| 22:26.40 | Kuja^ | fir the old games |
| 22:26.46 | Kuja^ | s/fir/for |
| 22:27.22 | Kody- | Doesn't get around bans no... your WoW account still exists for the forums |
| 22:27.40 | Kody- | Plus if you merge multiple WoW accounts into one Battle.net account you're prompted which WoW account you want to use after logging in |
| 22:27.53 | VonhintenHOME` | One of the features of battle.net was the ability to talk with your friends on different servers... sounds like they may be doing that |
| 22:28.00 | VonhintenHOME` | WoW Char talk to D3 char |
| 22:28.03 | VonhintenHOME` | would be cool |
| 22:28.25 | Kody- | VonhintenHOME`: About time |
| 22:28.39 | Kody- | It's one of the few good lasting things SOE did with EverQuest, was introduced a global chat system |
| 22:28.50 | Kody- | Even worked across games |
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| 22:28.58 | Kody- | So you could talk to people playing EQ2, SWG, etc. |
| 22:29.29 | Shefki | Wonder how fast we would get rid of the donation restriction if we all united and simply didn't update our addons for 3.1 |
| 22:30.01 | VonhintenHOME` | I support it |
| 22:30.33 | NeoTron | Shefki: that would have no effect and I am guessing only a small minority of vocal addon authors really care |
| 22:30.33 | VonhintenHOME` | update them, tell me the URL so it won't fuck me over, and refuse to release to public =P |
| 22:30.56 | Kody- | NeoTron: It would have more effect than you think |
| 22:30.56 | Shefki | NeoTron: If people who update popular enough addons did it... It would get noticed. |
| 22:31.13 | Kody- | Ever think how many people email Blizzard first when QuestHelper isn't working properly? :) |
| 22:31.30 | Shefki | Pitchforks and torches on the forums. |
| 22:31.58 | VonhintenHOME` | Unfortunately, I have personally contributed fixes in the wow UI forum for addons right after the patch... other people would too |
| 22:32.08 | Shefki | As much as blizzard may not like to admit it, the UI community is as much a part of the success of this game as anything. |
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| 22:32.25 | Shefki | VonhintenHOME`: I'm sure they would, but it would still be inconvenient. |
| 22:32.29 | NivFreak | I don't think they'd dispute that |
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| 22:33.57 | kagaro | I wonder if item #3 in the new guidlines is focued at gold spammers |
| 22:34.07 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:34.22 | ckknight | kagaro: #3 is for Mazzlegasm-esque stuff |
| 22:34.24 | Arrowmaster | things like foreverAFK |
| 22:34.37 | kagaro | gotcha |
| 22:34.45 | Shefki | Auctioneer could qualify as #3 to some extent. |
| 22:34.53 | Shefki | They've commented that it puts a huge load on their AH system. |
| 22:35.28 | Nechckn_AFK | As much as any of other AH addons that scan, sure. |
| 22:35.39 | Arrowmaster | zoot specificly asked us for info on foreverAFK on irc so he could make sure it was killed in the next patch back then |
| 22:35.47 | Arrowmaster | it was causing server issues |
| 22:35.53 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm guessing it's things like questhelper |
| 22:36.12 | Kody- | [15:34] <ckknight> kagaro: #3 is for Mazzlegasm-esque stuff |
| 22:36.18 | VonhintenHOME` | Blizz takes a lot of heat about performance in places like dalaran, and half the time it's from people running questhelper on login |
| 22:36.25 | Kody- | Probably those roleplaying addons too that make you say stuff when you summon a mount, a pet, etc. |
| 22:36.48 | ckknight | Kody-: I disagree |
| 22:36.49 | Arrowmaster | Kody-: those dont do zone wide yells though |
| 22:36.51 | NeoTron | how about things like Quiz |
| 22:36.57 | ckknight | if it'sa /say, no issues there, imo |
| 22:37.06 | Tinyboom | imo it's a bit late putting in rules like that for a game that has such a big community for addons... |
| 22:37.06 | ckknight | also, #3 has addons that decrease FPS |
| 22:37.11 | ckknight | which means 99% of all addons. |
| 22:37.19 | Arrowmaster | running quizbot in say or general gets you a suspension |
| 22:37.22 | ckknight | it's unenforceable |
| 22:37.31 | Kody- | Oh right, I'd forgotten that terrible experience with the Mazzle-gasm yell, thanks for bringing back bad memories :( |
| 22:37.41 | NivFreak | Arrowmaster: god I hope so, but there's been a guy doing that in front of the bank in dalaran for weeks |
| 22:37.48 | durcyn | it's intentionally ambiguous so that it can be arbitrarily enforced |
| 22:37.54 | genetik- | ckknight: unenforceable or selectively enforceable ;) |
| 22:37.57 | durcyn | this is how legalese works |
| 22:38.00 | ckknight | basically, genetik- |
| 22:38.01 | Tinyboom | it's like they went "hey we haven't thought about that before... lets mash up some rules and dump them on the community" |
| 22:38.03 | kagaro | ckknight: I can only think that they want a min FPS and it would make the client start shutting off high cpu addons till it hit that fps |
| 22:38.13 | ckknight | ick |
| 22:38.16 | Vangual | do we if changes to a macro are sent to the servers/db immediately or are they only saved periodically or on certain events? |
| 22:38.18 | Arrowmaster | NivFreak: report him, somebody got suspended for running it in /say on the bridge outside the IF ah i remember |
| 22:38.18 | ckknight | bye bye, QH |
| 22:38.27 | Tinyboom | bye bye a lot of addons |
| 22:38.39 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:38.43 | NeoTron | exaggaration |
| 22:38.47 | Tinyboom | they really should moderate those rules a bit |
| 22:38.47 | NivFreak | agreed |
| 22:38.51 | NeoTron | I predict we see very little real difference |
| 22:38.51 | NivFreak | most people won't care |
| 22:39.00 | NivFreak | they'll move their donation requests to their curse page / website |
| 22:39.20 | Arrowmaster | QH and nUI authors have already stated if they cant have donation info ingame then they are done |
| 22:39.27 | VonhintenHOME` | If I had to guess, I'd best they'll revise the donation clause to read more like "Addons may not nag users about dontaions" |
| 22:39.30 | ckknight | well, a lot of this will be allayed once we launch premium and have rewards sharing with authors |
| 22:39.31 | Kody- | so i'm guessing that's what this new bannedaddons.dbc file is all about then? (the new policy) |
| 22:39.34 | NivFreak | Arrowmaster: someone will stop, sure |
| 22:39.43 | ckknight | Kody-: are you being serious? |
| 22:39.52 | Kody- | What? |
| 22:39.56 | kagaro | that file is ther eon the ptr client ckknight |
| 22:40.08 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: as I said, a few things will go away I'm sure but most wouldn't |
| 22:40.10 | Kody- | There's a BannedAddons.dbc file in the 3.1 mpq |
| 22:40.13 | NeoTron | most people don't live off writing addons |
| 22:40.32 | kagaro | baddons.wcf |
| 22:40.41 | ckknight | hmm |
| 22:40.42 | NeoTron | and really with the openenss of the wowace community the mentality is slightly shocking to me |
| 22:40.54 | NivFreak | curse menality took over |
| 22:40.58 | kagaro | it gets updated on the ptr whenever you loggin |
| 22:41.02 | NivFreak | rip wowace |
| 22:41.06 | Arrowmaster | what do you mean? |
| 22:41.21 | VonhintenHOME` | what does bannedaddons.dbc contain right now? |
| 22:41.21 | Vangual | mpq content changed on login? |
| 22:41.22 | ckknight | how so, NivFreak? |
| 22:41.33 | ckknight | if anything, we (Kaelten and myself) have made Curse more open |
| 22:41.37 | kagaro | its in the WDB folder in your ptr install |
| 22:41.47 | ckknight | we have a bunch of open source stuff for the site itself |
| 22:41.49 | kagaro | 4k binary file |
| 22:41.51 | Arrowmaster | do you mean your shocked we arent happy about the new policy? |
| 22:41.52 | ckknight | as well as a relatively open policy with users |
| 22:42.04 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: that people feel it's the end of addons for wow |
| 22:42.06 | Kody- | VonhintenHOME`: Not sure... 11 fields and 11 entries atm |
| 22:42.27 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: we didnt say that, but it is a major change |
| 22:42.32 | NeoTron | it is |
| 22:42.53 | NeoTron | I do think "donation info" in the config panel or about panel should be ok though, just to clarify that point |
| 22:43.05 | VonhintenHOME` | It's gonna have to be heuristic, otherwise you can just mass-rename |
| 22:43.07 | ckknight | this isn't the end of addons |
| 22:43.09 | ckknight | some addons, yes |
| 22:43.10 | Xinhuan | NeoTron, might be interesting for you to know that 12 addon authors account for half the addon downloads on curse ;p |
| 22:43.14 | ckknight | not too many, though |
| 22:43.23 | ckknight | Xinhuan: *thumbs up* |
| 22:43.30 | Xinhuan | only takes 12 people to stand together hehe |
| 22:43.32 | Arrowmaster | am i one of those 12 yet? |
| 22:43.37 | ckknight | lemme check, Arrowmaster |
| 22:44.07 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: yes. means the market will open up if "the 12" decide to be poopyheads |
| 22:44.14 | NeoTron | good for the smaller guys that want to break in |
| 22:44.43 | ckknight | in order: ckknight, funkydude, Xinhuan, Nevcairiel, ZorbaTHut, Aiiane, Elkano, Daviesh, Tuller, Grayhoof, Tandanu, Kaelten |
| 22:45.17 | Arrowmaster | thats for all of curse though and not just wow right? |
| 22:45.22 | ckknight | correct, Arrowmaster |
| 22:45.23 | Anaralx2 | Are you sure Norgs isn't on that list... Auctioneer is up there. |
| 22:45.25 | Xinhuan | yeah just curse |
| 22:45.40 | ckknight | Anaralx2: you mean MentalPower, he's #13 |
| 22:45.45 | Aiiane | I'd hope its not just for WoW |
| 22:45.52 | Anaralx2 | Wow |
| 22:45.53 | Aiiane | considering I have exactly... 1 wow addon on curse |
| 22:46.01 | Arrowmaster | Aiiane: yeah if it was just wow theres no way you would be on it |
| 22:46.03 | Aiiane | and it's a little like 10-line affair |
| 22:46.15 | ckknight | okay, let's skip Aiiane, then |
| 22:46.18 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: and your still lazy |
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| 22:46.34 | Xinhuan | well out of those 12 people, i think no one there except Aiiane develops WAR? |
| 22:46.43 | Aiiane | correct |
| 22:46.43 | ckknight | correct, Xinhuan |
| 22:46.44 | Xinhuan | except maybe Kaelten's Aec3 port to war |
| 22:46.46 | Arrowmaster | no grayhoof quit wow and moved to war |
| 22:46.49 | Aiiane | except that's me, Xinhuan |
| 22:46.52 | ckknight | she just has shitloads of addons on WAR ;-) |
| 22:46.56 | Xinhuan | oh true that, grayhoof |
| 22:47.03 | Shefki | ckknight: A point about those 12 people I'd make is they don't all do the work themselves. |
| 22:47.04 | Aiiane | oh, right, grayhoof |
| 22:47.09 | Xinhuan | he has SCT for WAR now |
| 22:47.10 | ckknight | Shefki: true |
| 22:47.12 | Aiiane | I even though of SCT and then didn't mentally make the connection |
| 22:47.12 | Shefki | ckknight: A lot of them have people who help out a lot. |
| 22:47.20 | ckknight | Shefki: I know I do ;-) |
| 22:47.43 | Xinhuan | yes, but if you have a backbone of those 12+ their supporters, its pretty major |
| 22:47.48 | VonhintenHOME` | you still playing WAR aii? |
| 22:47.49 | Shefki | Honestly, I have zero addons that are truely impacted by this policy. |
| 22:47.52 | Aiiane | VonhintenHOME`: yes |
| 22:47.59 | Shefki | However, I find the donation request policy terribly wrong. |
| 22:48.09 | VonhintenHOME` | Gotten any better? |
| 22:48.18 | ckknight | the new policy kills Bejeweled. |
| 22:48.21 | Shefki | And honestly, it's never bothered me if people want to charge for their addons. |
| 22:48.24 | NeoTron | kills is exaggarated |
| 22:48.31 | Xinhuan | keep in mind that the new UI policy is MOST PROBABLY in response to this thread - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15661690616&sid=1 |
| 22:48.31 | NeoTron | they can just release it unobfuscated |
| 22:48.38 | Shefki | NeoTron: They won't. |
| 22:48.39 | ckknight | unless they want to open the source, which is possible, but I dunno how likely |
| 22:48.39 | NeoTron | open code doesn't mean open source |
| 22:48.41 | NeoTron | I mean free |
| 22:48.46 | Xinhuan | go take a look at that linked thread |
| 22:48.50 | Xinhuan | i just linked |
| 22:48.51 | Shefki | NeoTron: There's no way Bejeweled is going to open their code. |
| 22:49.00 | Arrowmaster | i still dont consider bejeweled to be truely 'obfuscated' |
| 22:49.10 | Aiiane | VonhintenHOME`: it's slowly improving over time |
| 22:49.10 | Shefki | Frankly I'm amazed they even shipped it obfuscated. |
| 22:49.11 | Xinhuan | its mainly because of that addon |
| 22:49.12 | NeoTron | it's "compressed" but nothing compared to carbonite |
| 22:49.24 | Xinhuan | its crossed a line |
| 22:49.25 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: True. |
| 22:49.33 | NeoTron | Shefki: you know how it came to be right? some dude wrote a clone, popcap noticed and hired him to improve it |
| 22:49.35 | Xinhuan | that made blizzard come up with these UI policies |
| 22:49.37 | NeoTron | something like that |
| 22:49.43 | Shefki | NeoTron: *nod* |
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| 22:50.01 | Shefki | NeoTron: Ages ago I used to know a number of people at Popcap. |
| 22:50.11 | VonhintenHOME` | Aii, hmm.. I'm still paying for my account, but none of my friends play anymore, and we're all neck deep in WoW again... I miss my sorc though |
| 22:50.19 | Shefki | NeoTron: They're not likely to just make the code purely plaintext. |
| 22:50.37 | Shefki | And while it's only compressed... There's no reason for the compression except to make it annoying to read. |
| 22:50.41 | Arrowmaster | bejeweleds 'obfuscation' doesnt really effect the compiled byte code except for maybe some extra locals and changing global lookups to local lookups or global lookups to global lookups of a variable name stored in a string requiring a local lookup |
| 22:50.55 | Arrowmaster | carbonites obfuscation drasticly changes the compiled bytecode |
| 22:52.04 | Aiiane | VonhintenHOME`: I'd hold off for a little longer |
| 22:52.09 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 22:52.11 | Aiiane | VonhintenHOME`: probably about until Tomb Kings comes out |
| 22:52.22 | Shefki | Basically I see this issue as follows. I have no issue with Blizzard deciding that an addon shouldn't be allowed becuase of gameplay reseasons, server load reasons etc... |
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| 22:52.33 | Shefki | But the advertising, pay, donation, etc crap is none of their business. |
| 22:52.46 | VonhintenHOME` | Aii, we all had fun playing it, but the performance was too poor for some of my friends' computers |
| 22:52.52 | Shefki | If users don't want advertising then don't download the addon. |
| 22:53.04 | ckknight | that's my thinking, too, Shefki |
| 22:53.05 | Aiiane | Shefki: think of it this way; would you let random people come into a theme park you own and advertise? |
| 22:53.07 | Nechckn_AFK | don't forget the whole Glider thing, surely that ruling had an impact on these policies, too |
| 22:53.32 | Shefki | Aiiane: It's a terribly analogy. |
| 22:53.46 | Aiiane | terrible or not, it's basically where they're going with it |
| 22:54.15 | Shefki | Nechckn_AFK: I don't see how... Glider has nothing to do with anything. |
| 22:54.44 | Nechckn_AFK | if you say so |
| 22:55.22 | Arrowmaster | imho blizzard can tell people like carbonite to gtfo when they start trying to put ads ingame |
| 22:55.28 | Arrowmaster | its the right thing to do |
| 22:55.32 | NivFreak | Shefki: what if blizzard told you that you could charge for your addon if you paid them for access to their API? |
| 22:55.50 | ckknight | I'd consider that legit |
| 22:55.56 | Shefki | NivFreak: You can't copyright APIs |
| 22:56.07 | Shefki | There's nothing to pay for. |
| 22:56.13 | VonhintenHOME` | I'd stop using addons and get used to playing the game without them, in that case |
| 22:56.18 | Aiiane | but you can license the right to use the api in your game. |
| 22:56.21 | Shefki | An interface is not a creative work. |
| 22:56.21 | NivFreak | correct |
| 22:56.23 | Shefki | No you can't. |
| 22:56.39 | Aiiane | they effectively can. |
| 22:56.42 | Shefki | You can charge for the information about the API. |
| 22:56.49 | Shefki | But if someone figures it out on their own there is nothing they can do. |
| 22:57.02 | Shefki | Given that the game is Lua and anyone can poke around the API and figure it out. |
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| 22:57.04 | NivFreak | DMCA |
| 22:57.07 | Shefki | It's effectively impossible. |
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| 22:57.25 | Aiiane | They can block an addon for functioning if they so desire. It might not be in their best interests, but they could. |
| 22:57.27 | Shefki | NivFreak: Doesn't apply there's a specific exception for interop. |
| 22:57.31 | Aiiane | s/for/from |
| 22:57.39 | Shefki | Sure they can block addons. |
| 22:57.55 | VonhintenHOME` | Let's just say, you MAY be right, but if Blizzard disagreed with you, you aren't going to be able to afford to fight for your right |
| 22:58.04 | kagaro | Shefki: just be glad there isnt a 'has to be signed by blizzard' to execute clause |
| 22:58.43 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 22:58.48 | jnwhiteh | lack of rss on wowace makes clad sad |
| 22:59.01 | NivFreak | so I was looking for some facts to back it up before I disagreed with you Shefki, but it turns out I'm too lazy today |
| 22:59.16 | NivFreak | but I'm pretty sure you can look at a number of buisness models that actually revolve around charging access to an API |
| 22:59.27 | Shefki | NivFreak: Name one. |
| 22:59.45 | NivFreak | salesforce |
| 22:59.46 | ckknight | jnwhiteh: RSS for what? |
| 22:59.52 | Shefki | Most of the time it's a trademark issue masquerading as an API. |
| 22:59.57 | jnwhiteh | forum post, in particular |
| 23:00.05 | ckknight | oh, sorry, can't help with that |
| 23:00.09 | Shefki | TO give you a perfect example, console game systems. |
| 23:00.10 | jnwhiteh | yeah np np :P |
| 23:00.10 | ckknight | jnwhiteh: talk to Belazor |
| 23:00.29 | Shefki | Technically if you could figure out how to make a game for a PS3 without buying the dev kit you could. |
| 23:00.40 | Shefki | But you would get your ass sued if you tried to put the PS3 logo on it. |
| 23:00.42 | NivFreak | with signing, I don't think that's true |
| 23:01.08 | Shefki | If anything we've learned the keys for that singing stuff doesn't stay secure. |
| 23:01.14 | NivFreak | of course not |
| 23:01.21 | NivFreak | but if you bypass it, you're violating the DMCA |
| 23:01.33 | Shefki | And frankly, I think there's a very good case for arguing that using cryptology to prevent competition is illegal. |
| 23:01.33 | Xinhuan | cogwheel seems to be majorly pissed about the pay-for-addon ban |
| 23:01.36 | taleden | signing would be foolish and counterproductive |
| 23:01.39 | Shefki | NivFreak: Hogwash, tell Lexmark that. |
| 23:01.40 | kagaro | iphone is same way you can get a free api, but to put it on your phone or the app store you need to pay apple atleast $99 for that priviledge |
| 23:01.51 | taleden | valve demonstrated the commercial benefits of encouraging user contribution, bliz isn't dense enough to forget that lesson I think |
| 23:02.10 | Shefki | They tried to use similar technology to prevent their printers from using other manufacturers printer cartridges. |
| 23:02.13 | Shefki | Guess what. |
| 23:02.18 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: anybody that can make a ps3 game without a dev kit would be a programming god, some people even with a dev kit cant do it |
| 23:02.35 | Shefki | Other manufacturers reverse engineered it and sold them anyway. They sued saying they violated the DMCA and lost. |
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| 23:02.52 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: True, it was just an example. |
| 23:02.55 | NivFreak | Shefki: the DMCA being what it is, you'll find cases on both sides |
| 23:03.02 | NivFreak | depending on what lawyers are involved |
| 23:03.19 | Shefki | NivFreak: It has to be a copyright access control. |
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| 23:03.46 | Shefki | As long as what you're doing isn't violating the rights given to the copyright holder there is no DMCA violation. |
| 23:03.58 | krka | the printer analogy is interesting |
| 23:04.08 | Shefki | The Glider people lost because they were violating copyright rights. |
| 23:04.12 | NivFreak | and you're suggesting that bypassing the signing that sony requires on the PS3 isn't going to fall into that catagory? |
| 23:04.34 | cog|work | Xinhuan: i've been defending for pay addons for years... This is a slap in the face imo :P |
| 23:04.40 | Shefki | NivFreak: Of course not. |
| 23:04.48 | Shefki | What would be copyrighted that you would be violating? |
| 23:04.48 | krka | i suspect laws are different from physical objects and software though |
| 23:05.13 | Shefki | The key? You can't copyright a random number. |
| 23:05.14 | Xinhuan | cogwheel, well, i know you have been defending them, the response just comes across as a big more extreme than i would expect ;p |
| 23:05.36 | cog|work | Xinhuan: i have my reasons... i'll leave it at that |
| 23:06.00 | Xinhuan | i'll leave it too |
| 23:06.09 | Xinhuan | remember what i mentioned earlier ;p |
| 23:06.18 | Shefki | Incidentally, copyright does not protect against independent creation. |
| 23:06.30 | Shefki | If I brute force your key I have independently crated it. |
| 23:06.32 | Shefki | created* |
| 23:06.40 | NivFreak | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881820910&sid=1&pageNo=1 <- lol? |
| 23:06.59 | Xinhuan | (that 12 people control half the downloaded addons on curse) |
| 23:07.01 | Shefki | If Sony has patents that I'd have to violate to make a PS3 game then they would have a shot at stopping me. |
| 23:09.08 | Shefki | Xinhuan: So how do you feel about this policy? |
| 23:10.27 | Xinhuan | i've always felt uncomfortable about for-pay addons in an addon environment as open as wow's, but i also understand that significant effort is needed to write these addons, and that they also have copyrights |
| 23:11.17 | Xinhuan | for me, i'm somewhat on the fence since the policy will not affect me directly |
| 23:12.58 | Aiiane | I've always felt that the balancing factor for addons was that anyone could use them without pause, without other concerns like financial means |
| 23:13.19 | Aiiane | thus I don't really like for-pay addons; donationware I don't really have a problem with |
| 23:13.22 | ulic | Nobody is forcing anyone to use these pay-for addons. |
| 23:13.32 | Aiiane | my argument is not about force, ulic |
| 23:13.50 | NivFreak | and once again |
| 23:13.58 | Xinhuan | i wonder how much donations zorba gets for the policy to have quite such an adverse effect |
| 23:13.59 | NeoTron | I think obfuscation is a main concern of them since addons can hide malicious code in there |
| 23:14.00 | NivFreak | they aren't forbidding you from asking for donations on curse / other sites |
| 23:14.02 | NivFreak | just in game |
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| 23:15.18 | ulic | I'm totally down the the non-obfuscation part of things, that makes sense to me. But without obfuscation it probably makes it hard to really force people to pay for your addon. |
| 23:15.45 | Aiiane | which I find to be a non-issue :P |
| 23:15.50 | NivFreak | I think in general, blizzard isn't a fan of people building revenue models on top of thier platform |
| 23:15.55 | NivFreak | from carbonite to gold sellers |
| 23:16.12 | ulic | that's probably true. |
| 23:16.31 | ckknight | well, Curse is gonna start |
| 23:16.34 | ckknight | with Curse Premium |
| 23:16.45 | NivFreak | it'll be interesting to see how they respond |
| 23:16.50 | NivFreak | that's a bit of an edge case though |
| 23:16.50 | Kilroo | I already curse Curse enough as it is... |
| 23:16.54 | Kilroo | I kid, I kid. |
| 23:16.54 | NivFreak | we already have sites that do guild hosting |
| 23:17.05 | NeoTron | ckknight: except that's more of paying for people generating traffic to curse.com |
| 23:17.06 | NivFreak | and other supporting services |
| 23:17.19 | Funkeh` | I( don't think CC downloads actually count towards the addons download count |
| 23:17.32 | Funkeh` | would explain the slow decrease in downloads for all addons hosted |
| 23:17.36 | NeoTron | Funkeh`: that'd be a bit bogus |
| 23:17.49 | Funkeh` | bogus? |
| 23:18.06 | NeoTron | they try to move everyone to curse updated and don't count downloads via it? |
| 23:18.18 | Kilroo | I actually like what Curse is doing in general, but the combination of the sites' respective UI's and the relationship between wowace and Curse results in the fact that I usually research addons on WoWI but download them from Curse. |
| 23:18.32 | Funkeh` | NeoTron, It's often the obvious that is overlooked... |
| 23:19.12 | Funkeh` | As far as I've seen, the average downloads for every single addon has been steadily dropping for a few months now |
| 23:19.13 | Aiiane | NeoTron: I know for a fact that downloads via the client aren't tracked in the website's download count |
| 23:19.25 | Aiiane | at least, not currently |
| 23:19.28 | Funkeh` | kek |
| 23:19.32 | Aiiane | hopefully, there are plans to change that.... ckknight? |
| 23:19.35 | ckknight | Funkeh`: that's true, once the patch arises, it'll jump |
| 23:19.40 | Xinhuan | Funkeh`, this is a result of the new svn change |
| 23:19.49 | Xinhuan | previosuly a new zip is packaged on every commit |
| 23:19.50 | ckknight | Aiiane: I believe so, but it's not on my end of things |
| 23:19.56 | Xinhuan | now a new zip is only generated on a tag |
| 23:20.04 | Xinhuan | (to curse that is) |
| 23:20.13 | Funkeh` | um |
| 23:20.15 | Xinhuan | unless you tagged every commit, you won't see the same download counts? |
| 23:20.20 | Funkeh` | not sure how that relates? Oo |
| 23:20.21 | Aiiane | Xinhuan: its not just that |
| 23:20.28 | Funkeh` | thats not what im refering to |
| 23:20.32 | Xinhuan | oh? |
| 23:20.37 | Funkeh` | im talking about purely files on curse |
| 23:20.49 | Funkeh` | as in the ones pushed there |
| 23:21.09 | Xinhuan | so you're talking about addons like auctioneer? |
| 23:21.20 | Funkeh` | Infact there are more files pushed to curse than before, so averages should be up! :p |
| 23:21.35 | Funkeh` | not sure, never looked at it's page |
| 23:21.35 | Xinhuan | technically speaking, as an addon nears and grows past maturity, there should be less updates/changes to them, and less zips pushed |
| 23:21.51 | Funkeh` | um |
| 23:21.55 | Funkeh` | that's still a bit OT |
| 23:22.02 | krka | mature addon? have there been any such things? :) |
| 23:22.11 | Xinhuan | every factor counts |
| 23:22.19 | Funkeh` | I'm just sticking to files that are currently on curse |
| 23:22.22 | Funkeh` | I mean |
| 23:22.23 | Aiiane | krka: amusingly, yes |
| 23:22.30 | Funkeh` | even for ancient addons download averages would stay the same |
| 23:22.37 | Funkeh` | its only recently they've all been dropping |
| 23:22.44 | Aiiane | krka: http://war.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/details/vertigo.aspx |
| 23:22.49 | Xinhuan | how do you see a "download average" |
| 23:22.54 | Aiiane | has not changed since about 2 weeks after WAR was released |
| 23:22.57 | Funkeh` | the daily average |
| 23:23.19 | Aiiane | and yet is still used by a large portion of WAR addon users ;) |
| 23:23.40 | Funkeh` | well, it seems its a known bug |
| 23:23.44 | Funkeh` | so i will back out now :) |
| 23:24.36 | Aiiane | Funkeh`: I know that a month or two ago and before, there was a bug where days with 0 downloads for an addon, wouldn't be factored into the average |
| 23:24.44 | Aiiane | that's why ancient addons' download counts were staying up |
| 23:24.52 | Aiiane | I reported that one and it was fixed at least a month ago though |
| 23:25.17 | Funkeh` | like manually? |
| 23:25.17 | ckknight | that was fixed a few months back |
| 23:25.36 | Aiiane | manually? |
| 23:25.44 | kagaro | ckknight: is Kaelten the one working on the mac CC? |
| 23:25.44 | Funkeh` | what am i saying, obviously manually if the client doesn't count them |
| 23:25.48 | Xinhuan | "I've got careful records of where exactly my money comes from. As near as I can tell, about 4/5 of it was thanks to the donation reminder." - zorba post |
| 23:25.52 | Funkeh` | manual download |
| 23:25.52 | Xinhuan | i think we can estimate now :) |
| 23:25.56 | ckknight | kagaro: him and llamabark |
| 23:26.02 | Aiiane | yes manual download; the numbers on the site have never counted client DLs |
| 23:26.15 | Funkeh` | thats kinda sucky |
| 23:26.21 | Funkeh` | I only recently really thought about it |
| 23:26.31 | kagaro | let him know the version checking isnt working right |
| 23:26.33 | Funkeh` | with the dramatic decrease in averages |
| 23:26.35 | Xinhuan | zorba also posted "Wowmatrix actually modifies the ingame files so you don't see any request for donation" |
| 23:27.04 | Aiiane | Kaelten: you so totally need to get the curse client to ddos wowmatrix |
| 23:27.08 | Aiiane | it'd be funny. |
| 23:27.12 | Shefki | cog|work: I'm kinda shocked you took the macro sticky down. |
| 23:27.13 | Funkeh` | why |
| 23:27.16 | Funkeh` | just as BBC |
| 23:27.18 | Funkeh` | :PP |
| 23:27.23 | Funkeh` | ask* |
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| 23:28.08 | Xinhuan | i said so shefki, i thought it was a bit extreme, but he's standing up for his rights, i respect that |
| 23:28.40 | Funkeh` | macro sticky? |
| 23:28.53 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 23:29.00 | Xinhuan | Funkeh`: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881820910&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 23:29.07 | Xinhuan | everything deleted/edited out |
| 23:29.57 | Funkeh` | haha |
| 23:30.05 | Funkeh` | well thats definately a strong protest |
| 23:30.36 | Shefki | Yeah hell I used that fairly often. |
| 23:30.55 | cog|away | Shefki: it's still on wowwiki... i may post the html at some point, i just don't want blizzard to benefit from it directly |
| 23:31.13 | cog|away | |aways |
| 23:31.14 | Shefki | cog|away: Ahh yeah forgot it was there. |
| 23:31.28 | Xinhuan | if you readpage 2/3 |
| 23:31.29 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864747207&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
| 23:31.31 | Xinhuan | of this thread |
| 23:31.33 | Funkeh` | cog|away, btw I support that |
| 23:31.35 | Shefki | Interesting to note that this anti-ads for addons is happening after they pushed ads on us on the forums. |
| 23:31.40 | Repo | 10tomquest2: 03gagou * r79 / (13 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 5 lines) |
| 23:31.42 | Funkeh` | pretty gutsy :) |
| 23:31.43 | Repo | Correct the questTooltip hide by replacing OnLeave with a OnUpdate script (temporary hack until better fix is found) |
| 23:31.43 | Xinhuan | you'll see nUI/Questhelper authors posting strongly |
| 23:31.45 | Repo | Improve questsInformations module: |
| 23:31.48 | Repo | 1) add quest objectives link clicking on questInformations module |
| 23:31.51 | Repo | 2) enhance frame creation in questsInformations module |
| 23:31.52 | ckknight | Shefki: quite |
| 23:31.57 | Xinhuan | nUI author even posted how much donations he got |
| 23:32.10 | Funkeh` | where? |
| 23:32.29 | Xinhuan | post 41 |
| 23:32.31 | Shefki | And also the new battle.net stuff says they can advertise in game. |
| 23:32.46 | Shefki | I wonder if this isn't a response to them selling advertising rights to Massively. |
| 23:32.58 | Xinhuan | and a page before that, zorba posted hints as to how much donations he gets (4/5 of it are from in game reminders) |
| 23:33.09 | Antiarc | I'm quite disappointed in Blizzard for this move. |
| 23:33.12 | Funkeh` | you know what |
| 23:33.13 | Xinhuan | and judging from the donations i get, and from chatting with ck, i have a pretty clear idea |
| 23:33.15 | Antiarc | Very, very disappointed. |
| 23:33.18 | Funkeh` | i blame that bangerz guy |
| 23:33.24 | Funkeh` | he ripped every addon and made it pay for |
| 23:33.54 | Shefki | Funkeh`: That's not Blizzard's problem. |
| 23:34.38 | Funkeh` | I kinda like part 3 |
| 23:34.41 | Shefki | ckknight: guess you need to update fubar to remove the donate button. |
| 23:34.44 | Funkeh` | addons must not negatevely affect |
| 23:34.48 | ckknight | I'm not doing it |
| 23:35.07 | Funkeh` | *sarcasm |
| 23:35.19 | Shefki | Funny thing is I was gonna add an about page to PB4 with a donate link. |
| 23:35.24 | Pneumatus | part 3 reads like auctioneer hating |
| 23:35.41 | Shefki | Pneumatus: That's kinda what I took from it yeah. |
| 23:35.42 | Anaralx2 | Pneumatus: Probably not. |
| 23:36.07 | Anaralx2 | They've always supported Auctioneer in the past |
| 23:36.18 | NeoTron | even added the "get all items from the AH" call |
| 23:36.36 | Funkeh` | so anyone can say OMG THIS ADDON KILLS MY FPS and go to blizzard and sue? |
| 23:36.38 | Funkeh` | wtf? |
| 23:36.47 | Funkeh` | what about large addons? |
| 23:36.49 | Pneumatus | acks kills fps |
| 23:36.55 | Pneumatus | theres a ticket about it somewhere |
| 23:36.56 | ckknight | Shefki: I should add a donate button to PitBull4, out of spite |
| 23:36.56 | Funkeh` | do we need to make terms and conditions of use now? |
| 23:36.58 | Pneumatus | *ackis |
| 23:37.06 | Anaralx2 | I don't think the user can sue. |
| 23:37.12 | Shefki | ckknight: Please do. |
| 23:37.17 | Funkeh` | i said take it to blizz to sue |
| 23:37.19 | Funkeh` | as in complain |
| 23:37.34 | Shefki | ckknight: But in all seriousness, I'm no longer committing 3.1 related changes. |
| 23:37.47 | Funkeh` | "We reserve our rights to &^%&^%(*& your pc" |
| 23:37.57 | ckknight | Shefki: okay |
| 23:37.58 | Anaralx2 | Complain until the cows come home, doesn't mean they have to listen if it's unfounded or 'fixable' |
| 23:38.20 | Pneumatus | i wonder what will hapen to the likes of Zygor Guides |
| 23:38.23 | Funkeh` | complaining makes me feel better :( |
| 23:39.13 | Pneumatus | although the likes of carbonite could circumvent the current rulings by making the framework free but the data paid for |
| 23:39.20 | Pneumatus | as thats not technically an addon in its own right |
| 23:39.33 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r65 / (5 files in 1 directory): Fixed bug in tooltip display. |
| 23:39.36 | Repo | Fixed vendor data for crystallized/eternal stuff. |
| 23:39.39 | Repo | No longer free scan data when leaving the AH. |
| 23:39.43 | Repo | Bumped version number to 0.9.2. |
| 23:39.45 | Funkeh` | need a big section in CC like curse.donationreq which gives a quote or a link or something |
| 23:40.06 | Repo | 10tomquest2: 03gagou * r80 tomQuest2.toc: import latest localization |
| 23:40.11 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg 04v0.9.2 * r66 : Tagging as v0.9.2 |
| 23:40.19 | weab | i like how the new curse client ignores the preference that says not to install curse profiler and does it anyway |
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| 23:40.40 | Funkeh` | um |
| 23:40.43 | Funkeh` | disable it ingame |
| 23:40.46 | kagaro | weab: the prefs on the mac client enable but dont disable properly |
| 23:40.51 | NeoTron | Funkeh`: true but not the point? |
| 23:40.55 | weab | i'm not using the mac client |
| 23:40.59 | Funkeh` | true :P |
| 23:41.03 | Dashkal | oh good: "We're looking into making the authenticator requirement optional for forum/armory log ins. I'm not sure when such a change can be made though. " |
| 23:41.12 | Dashkal | I don't take my authenticator to work... |
| 23:41.15 | weab | i unchecked the box yet it keeps installing the curse profiler |
| 23:41.16 | NeoTron | I was pleased that it was an install time option to not use it |
| 23:41.31 | NeoTron | no offense to curse, but I don't use wowdb and don't need an addon collecting data for ti :P |
| 23:41.42 | ckknight | yea, I don't care, it's all good |
| 23:41.44 | NeoTron | Dashkal: yeah I just had that issue |
| 23:41.55 | Shefki | NeoTron: I turn that off too. |
| 23:42.02 | NeoTron | but I will say that curse client is significantly better now |
| 23:42.19 | NeoTron | as a poweruser I'd like a clearer display of addons checked out via svn |
| 23:43.18 | VonhintenHOME` | Has anyone seen a response from blue yet on the donation clause? |
| 23:43.41 | Shefki | They're probbably still trying to figure out what to say since we haven't been compliant cattle. |
| 23:44.14 | Shefki | Or haven't noticed... It's not like the UI forums are high traffic or that thread is even that long yet. |
| 23:45.05 | VonhintenHOME` | Such an incredibly bad PR move... not even to give a forewarning to prominent addon devs |
| 23:45.18 | VonhintenHOME` | to at least spin it positively and get people on board |
| 23:45.44 | Kody- | Yeah |
| 23:45.49 | Kody- | It's quite disappointing honestly |
| 23:46.25 | Xinhuan | well you can be reasonably sure that the trigger was carbonite-with-ads |
| 23:46.31 | Kody- | But hey, maybe they'll make their own QuestHelper, etc. that they only update once every 9 months when they patch, and doesn't work as good! |
| 23:46.38 | Xinhuan | i suspect some of those policies wuldn't have been that "strict" |
| 23:46.42 | ckknight | I think it's an absolutely horrible move on their part |
| 23:46.55 | kagaro | Xinhuan: no i dont think so |
| 23:46.56 | ckknight | I wonder how they plan to enforce it |
| 23:46.57 | VonhintenHOME` | could also be aimed at things like Brian Kopp's guide addon |
| 23:47.09 | Kody- | It's the leveling guides as well, yes |
| 23:47.10 | kagaro | the BadAddons.dbc file was in the first ptr 3.1 release |
| 23:47.31 | kagaro | so i think they were prepping for this for a bit |
| 23:47.33 | Xinhuan | kagaro even if they already planned on having a list of guidelines, carbonite did hasten the process |
| 23:47.47 | Xinhuan | and could have affected some of the clauses |
| 23:47.53 | kagaro | most likely did hasten it |
| 23:48.02 | Pneumatus | changing an addons name to avoid a list of "bad addons" names is pretty trivial tho :o |
| 23:48.29 | kagaro | the dbc layout shows several fields |
| 23:48.40 | kagaro | im guessing some form of fingerprinting |
| 23:48.47 | VonhintenHOME` | that's what I was saying before, it's gonna have to be heuristic |
| 23:48.55 | ckknight | kagaro: that could be broken |
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| 23:49.03 | kagaro | ohh definitly |
| 23:49.12 | aestil | hey gents. |
| 23:49.13 | ckknight | kagaro: at which point, they'd need to hotpatch constantly or just fail at it |
| 23:49.18 | ckknight | hey aestil |
| 23:49.29 | kagaro | fingerprinting every chaning data is a waste of time |
| 23:49.50 | Pneumatus | yeh, regardless of how they want to "block" addons, im sure it will be easily circumventable |
| 23:49.52 | kagaro | s/every chaning/ everchanging |
| 23:49.54 | Funkeh` | i think thats where the "take legal action" comes in |
| 23:50.06 | aestil | woah. they are talkinga bout blocking addons? |
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| 23:50.46 | aestil | i'm looking for a dr. damage type mod that actually works. |
| 23:50.52 | aestil | does one exist? |
| 23:51.21 | VonhintenHOME` | oh well, sushi time |
| 23:51.23 | Hjalte | aestil: Closest thing I've seen is an addon that shows expected damage or heal on the button. |
| 23:51.48 | aestil | whats that called? |
| 23:51.50 | ckknight | aestil: RatingBuster? |
| 23:51.56 | Pneumatus | do any addons that aren't encoding contents use loadstring? |
| 23:51.56 | ckknight | wait, no |
| 23:51.59 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 23:52.04 | ckknight | Pneumatus: yea, DogTag |
| 23:52.04 | Xinhuan | Pneumatus |
| 23:52.26 | jnwhiteh | yes, wowlua as well |
| 23:52.29 | JCinDE | I can't seem to find how to set the bar texture in PB4. I tried scouring the wowace forums and tried google. Maybe my search mojo is depleted, but I found nothing helpful. |
| 23:52.30 | Xinhuan | its more likely that blizz would just popup warnings like "XYZ addon violates ABC policy and you are strongly encouraged not to use it" |
| 23:52.32 | aestil | and is pitbull/cart3 being actively worked on? |
| 23:52.40 | Xinhuan | but who knows |
| 23:52.41 | Hjalte | aestil: Now, that's a good question. It was on wowinterface and could show a whole lot more on the buttons than just the spells damage. |
| 23:52.50 | JCinDE | Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 23:52.51 | ckknight | JCinDE: you have no textures installed. Install SharedMedia |
| 23:53.03 | ckknight | @project pitbull4 <-- aestil |
| 23:53.04 | aestil | Hjalte: yeah, i really like chosing DPSC or, AVG dmg, or AVG crit etc. |
| 23:53.07 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/. PitBull Unit Frames 4.0. Game: WoW. ckknight (Manager/Author), Shefki (Author), vangual (Author), Stanzilla (Ticket Manager). Updated: 12 hours ago. Tickets: 83/293 |
| 23:53.08 | ckknight | aestil: wrt Cart3, I've been lazy. |
| 23:53.14 | JCinDE | The curse client seems to have installed LibSharedMedia-3.0 |
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| 23:53.20 | ckknight | JCinDE: I said SharedMedia |
| 23:53.23 | JCinDE | ok |
| 23:53.28 | aestil | i expect nothing from you, since its all free, but cart3 has made no progress really. |
| 23:53.30 | NivFreak | Shefki: http://tinyurl.com/c2dqf2 |
| 23:53.34 | NivFreak | get it while it's hot |
| 23:53.35 | aestil | no dalaran map, no instance maps. |
| 23:53.47 | ckknight | aestil: and now Blizz would prevent me from charging for it, or requesting donations |
| 23:53.48 | Shefki | NivFreak: Don't need it. |
| 23:53.48 | ckknight | ...asses |
| 23:53.55 | JCinDE | didn't know it was a different thing. The addon directories are filled with so many junk addons with similar names... |
| 23:53.55 | Shefki | NivFreak: It's on wowwiki |
| 23:54.18 | Repo | 10tomquest2: 03gagou 04r80 beta * r81 : Tagging as r80 beta |
| 23:54.30 | JCinDE | Thanks, ckknight |
| 23:54.34 | aestil | ckknight: thats what they are saying? |
| 23:54.43 | ckknight | aestil: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/ui.html |
| 23:54.45 | aestil | ckknight: that no one can profit based off of addons? |
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| 23:55.26 | aestil | well |
| 23:55.32 | aestil | you can still ask on the website for d/l |
| 23:55.36 | aestil | just not in game? |
| 23:55.41 | weab | yes |
| 23:56.52 | Shefki | NivFreak: http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro |
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| 23:57.28 | Pneumatus | having a donation link in a frame somewhere doesnt "request donations" imo |
| 23:59.09 | NivFreak | Shefki: I don't need it either, I was just teasing :P |
