| 00:00.26 | Pneumatus | http://ace.pastey.net/109343 |
| 00:00.30 | vhaarr | Funkeh``: yeah I think we should |
| 00:00.35 | Pneumatus | those are what im tracking in my currently in-dev addon |
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| 00:01.00 | NivFreak | I love CA, I feel naked without it, but I'd really like ways to configure what cooldowns I see, some more detail on the bar, etc |
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| 00:01.17 | NivFreak | I haven't spent a lot of time looking at the options, they may be there :) |
| 00:02.27 | Pneumatus | (although that spellid for last stand is wrong) :o |
| 00:02.29 | Stanzilla | Survival Instincts is the feral last stand, rightà |
| 00:02.35 | Pneumatus | yuz |
| 00:02.57 | fauxpas``` | i feel kinda stupid for asking it, but what is CA? :P |
| 00:03.11 | NivFreak | bigwigs_commonauras |
| 00:03.23 | fauxpas``` | *starts up google |
| 00:03.34 | Stanzilla | I think Frenzied Regeneration is not really that important |
| 00:03.35 | NivFreak | I'm still not really sure why it's part of bigwigs, but I won't complain :) |
| 00:03.40 | NivFreak | Stanzilla: agreed |
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| 00:04.02 | NivFreak | and really, PS isn't that useful outside of 3drakes ;) |
| 00:04.05 | fauxpas``` | ah, i see |
| 00:04.20 | Pneu^ | its just as useful as any of the others |
| 00:04.24 | NivFreak | not really |
| 00:04.24 | NivFreak | a |
| 00:04.30 | Stanzilla | Lichborne = not needed, too |
| 00:04.30 | NivFreak | a brez/anhk is much more useful than PS |
| 00:04.51 | NivFreak | I've never found myself asking if PS was up |
| 00:05.00 | NivFreak | ok, that's not strictly true |
| 00:05.06 | NivFreak | but in general it's far more clutch |
| 00:05.26 | Stanzilla | PS can be a ass-saver in many situations |
| 00:05.46 | Pneu^ | how can you compare PS to brez/ankh :o |
| 00:06.01 | NivFreak | PS is an ass saver |
| 00:06.02 | NivFreak | it's reactionary |
| 00:06.17 | NivFreak | so are 15 other abilities |
| 00:06.21 | Pneumatus | same as all of the tank cooldowns which are reported |
| 00:06.35 | NivFreak | anhk/battle rez/innervate have always been a lot more useful to see timers on for me |
| 00:06.38 | NivFreak | and bloodlust |
| 00:07.00 | NivFreak | Pneumatus: you know it's funny, I don't recall ever seeing a shield wall/barskin cooldown bar |
| 00:07.04 | NivFreak | I've seen duration bars |
| 00:07.15 | NivFreak | maybe I just mentally ignore them? |
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| 00:13.12 | Zhinjio | does armor mitigation get applied before or after class/spce damage bonuses do? |
| 00:13.18 | Zhinjio | hrm. I'm not sure it matters |
| 00:14.18 | taleden | for multiplicative effects no it wouldn't matter, but I think for i.e. warrior block, the subtraction happens after the division-from-armor |
| 00:14.51 | taleden | otherwise a few hundred block value would be meaningless against a 50k pre-armor-mitigated hit |
| 00:15.00 | Zhinjio | well, like... Crusade (pally talent) gives +3% dmg, and DR on bosses is 64.5% |
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| 00:15.10 | Zhinjio | I don't think it matters what order you apply those |
| 00:15.49 | Zhinjio | I'm just trying to figure out why my numbers don't match |
| 00:16.54 | taleden | what are the numbers? |
| 00:18.17 | Poul|Raider | Hey, could use an advise :D Got this assignment to do a database design for a map-system. And basicly im just thinking i need to store information about points(coordinates) and the relation between them, roads and such. Point to Point etc, but thinking about shapes, anyone got a sujestion for how to store a shape(set of points). Do you need to tell where to start and end, or posible just to store the points and the shortest way from point |
| 00:18.21 | Poul|Raider | to point is the outer bound |
| 00:19.37 | ckknight | store triangles. |
| 00:19.50 | ckknight | 3 points |
| 00:19.51 | Zhinjio | my predicted hit values are 725/904 min/max, and my observed values are 559/843 |
| 00:19.54 | ckknight | from that, you can make polygons |
| 00:20.02 | Zhinjio | so there's additional dmg mitigation going on that I'm not sure of |
| 00:20.12 | Xinhuan | your storage should really depend on how you intend to access them |
| 00:20.20 | Poul|Raider | nope Xinhuan |
| 00:20.24 | Zhinjio | I'm going to do another data run now |
| 00:20.36 | Zhinjio | maybe I just didn't have everything setup right earlier |
| 00:20.40 | Xinhuan | for eg, if you need fast access to respond to a query for a shortest path between A-B, etc |
| 00:20.52 | Xinhuan | it might be better to be storing stuff in a certain format |
| 00:21.03 | Poul|Raider | Ye, that would make sense |
| 00:21.19 | Xinhuan | that makes it easier/faster to compute |
| 00:21.39 | Poul|Raider | but im just to do the underlaying database design :) so basicly i was just thinking about storing points, and then the link of 2 points could be a road. |
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| 00:22.10 | Poul|Raider | 4 points could be a ground(not sure about the english term for that, but the dirt the house is standing on :)) |
| 00:22.17 | ckknight | area |
| 00:22.20 | Poul|Raider | ye |
| 00:22.33 | ckknight | 4 points makes up a polygon of area |
| 00:22.34 | Poul|Raider | but storing 3 points? |
| 00:22.37 | ckknight | though it could be n points |
| 00:22.40 | ckknight | where n >= 3 |
| 00:22.41 | Poul|Raider | ye |
| 00:22.47 | Xinhuan | well you would probably then want to store the data as Edges and Nodes |
| 00:22.48 | Poul|Raider | was just making example |
| 00:23.17 | Xinhuan | if you give every edge and every node an index number |
| 00:23.27 | Xinhuan | a road is just an edge N |
| 00:23.37 | Xinhuan | a polygon is just a series of edge A, B, C, D, etc |
| 00:23.39 | Poul|Raider | the idea was also that n could be many, but what im not 100% sure about is how to store the relation of poitns in a database |
| 00:23.48 | taleden | ah, but that's the "surrogate key" philosophy :) |
| 00:23.49 | Poul|Raider | ye |
| 00:24.00 | taleden | there's another school of thought that in a case like this, you already have a primary key for a point -- its coordinates |
| 00:24.02 | Xinhuan | an Edge N, is then Point A-B |
| 00:24.24 | taleden | and you don't need a separate id number for a pair of points, just use the coordinates themselves |
| 00:24.32 | Poul|Raider | that is a good way to look at it, makes it abit simpler with edges |
| 00:24.34 | taleden | it probably depends whether a point might have significance in more than one path |
| 00:24.40 | Xinhuan | that is, an edge can be referring to nodeA as start and nodeB as ending point, so if you edited nodeA's coord, it directly changes the edge's startpoint |
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| 00:25.27 | Poul|Raider | but i would properly put all points in a table for it self, and make a table edges that reffer to the points, as points can be used for other then just that edge |
| 00:25.28 | taleden | if a point only has meaning as part of an edge, then i'd just store edges, and have each edge specify four values, being x/y coordinates of the two end points |
| 00:25.36 | taleden | rather than storing points and then storing edges as two references to the point record |
| 00:25.51 | taleden | ah |
| 00:26.06 | Xinhuan | the advantage of storing edges as two references to a point record |
| 00:26.10 | Xinhuan | is for moving said point |
| 00:26.25 | Xinhuan | you won't have to manually edit every edge that is at that point |
| 00:26.29 | taleden | right, but depending on the context, you might not want to do that |
| 00:26.31 | Xinhuan | think OO |
| 00:26.36 | taleden | maybe you *want* each edge to be independent |
| 00:27.09 | taleden | i.e. if several edges share a point, and you want to change one edge but not the others, then you have to copy the point, make that one edge refer to the new point, and then change the new point |
| 00:27.23 | taleden | on the other hand if you always want a point change to affect all edges that use that point, then i agree :) |
| 00:27.24 | Xinhuan | yes, that's true too |
| 00:27.38 | Poul|Raider | :) |
| 00:27.46 | Xinhuan | have fun ;p |
| 00:27.51 | Poul|Raider | indeed :) |
| 00:28.01 | Poul|Raider | 10hours to i need to turn it in! |
| 00:28.10 | ckknight | hehe |
| 00:28.11 | Poul|Raider | should have done it alot earlier :( |
| 00:28.12 | ckknight | you can do it |
| 00:29.49 | Kaelten | YO! |
| 00:32.08 | Poul|Raider | But im not sure i got the answer of what i was wondering, edges or points. Lets say the user/developer, someone want this road, and the road is deep down the database system just 100 points/coordinates that together the makes up this geat road this dude want :) Would it make sense just to have a Table Roads(ID, type, name) and another table with Paths(RoadID, PointX, PointY) where there would be 100 rows with RoadID matching that road |
| 00:33.10 | Poul|Raider | same with areas, just an id that represent alot of points. Do i need to store the information about which points that are naboars |
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| 00:33.48 | ckknight | the Roads table should have its two points in it, imo |
| 00:34.03 | ckknight | or just skip Roads, use Paths instead |
| 00:34.05 | taleden | I think what he's getting at is that roads aren't straight, they curve and follow the terrain and one road might have 100 points |
| 00:34.08 | Poul|Raider | ye, properly, but a road dont need to be one line |
| 00:34.14 | ckknight | ah |
| 00:34.16 | Poul|Raider | ye |
| 00:34.19 | Poul|Raider | what taleden said |
| 00:34.21 | ckknight | okay |
| 00:34.26 | taleden | so then, you can either associate all 100 points with the road |
| 00:34.35 | taleden | or you could first associates pairs of points into edges, and then associate the edges with the road |
| 00:34.46 | Xinhuan | i'm still suggesting the nodes-edges-roads model |
| 00:34.50 | taleden | in theory a road shouldn't intersect itself, so if you do it as edges you probably don't have to worry about the order |
| 00:34.51 | Xinhuan | where edges references nodes |
| 00:34.54 | Xinhuan | and roads references edges |
| 00:35.01 | taleden | I think xin's right |
| 00:35.06 | ckknight | step one: come up with good nouns. in this case, Node (meaning a specific point on the plane) and Edge (meaning a connection between two nodes) are what I'd use |
| 00:35.21 | Poul|Raider | Ye |
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| 00:36.27 | Xinhuan | similarly a "grass patch" can also just be references to edges |
| 00:36.37 | Xinhuan | but in this context, a grass patch is a closed polygon |
| 00:36.43 | Xinhuan | but a road is a open polygon |
| 00:37.02 | Xinhuan | that is, the start/end point matters for a road, but not the grass patch |
| 00:37.20 | Xinhuan | i think open polygon is a bad choice of words |
| 00:37.31 | Xinhuan | but meh |
| 00:37.33 | Poul|Raider | I can understand that much, and that makes sense to use. Lets say i got table Nodes, Edges then. someone makes a query and he get 3 edges out, its not needed from the database design itself to say which edge fit to what edge (with a road, hopefuly one edges endpoint fits another startpoint) |
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| 00:37.57 | taleden | well, that's a design decision :) |
| 00:37.59 | Xinhuan | grass patches can also just be refernces to nodes directly |
| 00:38.03 | taleden | and it depends what the data will be used for |
| 00:38.06 | Xinhuan | so it can cover a huge area |
| 00:38.10 | Xinhuan | in a polygon |
| 00:38.15 | Xinhuan | and roads then overlap on top of the |
| 00:38.16 | Poul|Raider | ye taleden :) |
| 00:38.16 | Xinhuan | them |
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| 00:38.23 | taleden | one option is to say, the application which is querying the database is responsible for figuring out that these two edges share a point, so they are adjacent in the sequence of edges |
| 00:38.30 | taleden | I think that's probably reasonable for a lot of applications |
| 00:38.32 | ckknight | to represent an area, it'd probably be an ordered list of 3 or more nodes, or you could limit it to exactly 3 nodes, then group areas together |
| 00:38.44 | taleden | but in some contexts, you might need to have the order explicitly stored in the database, to save some work for the application |
| 00:38.55 | taleden | i.e. if the app will run in a demanding environment where it can't take the processor time to make that calculation on the fly |
| 00:38.58 | taleden | and needs it pre-computed |
| 00:38.59 | Poul|Raider | but i think i got a bit further atleast. The asignment says to picture a system like maps.google taleden :) |
| 00:39.46 | taleden | then it sounds like performance considerations are probably beyond the scope of the assignment, if the only guidance was "kinda looks like this" |
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| 00:40.55 | Poul|Raider | well it says like this "Consider the web site http://maps.google.com , and assume that a database is used to manage the underlying map database (including placemarks, photos, ...)" :P |
| 00:41.06 | Poul|Raider | but it dont really matter :P |
| 00:41.15 | Poul|Raider | i got the idea for what im gonna write now :P |
| 00:41.19 | taleden | :) |
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| 00:44.50 | Poul|Raider | Just gonna make some tables for Edges and Polygons and add attribude "Order" for polygons that can function as an order. |
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| 00:49.45 | Elsia | heya |
| 00:49.53 | Elsia | is the forum/svn down? |
| 00:50.34 | Hjalte | I see at least the forums fine |
| 00:50.41 | Stanzilla | Whitetooth_: happy bday :) |
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| 00:50.51 | Elsia | hmm maybe it's a routing issue |
| 00:51.00 | Elsia | happy birthday Whitetooth_ |
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| 00:53.10 | Repo | 10recount: 03Elsia * r995 GUI_Main.lua: |
| 00:53.12 | Repo | - Added function to retrieve mode index from module name. Helps modules find themselves to set themselves if they want (like the threat module). |
| 00:53.21 | Elsia | ah works again, must have been a router hiccup |
| 00:54.04 | Repo | 10recount-death-track: 03Elsia * r15 / (11 files in 2 directories): RecountDeathTrack: |
| 00:54.08 | Repo | - Moved localization here, still using existing locale strings in Recount's locale. Should be backward compatible. |
| 00:54.44 | NivFreak | recount-death-track? |
| 00:55.18 | Elsia | NivFreak: basically gives you a time-line when people died |
| 00:56.04 | Repo | 10recountguessedabsorbs: 03Elsia * r8 / (11 files in 2 directories): |
| 00:56.07 | Repo | - Set up for localization. Using Recount's locale if appropriate. |
| 00:57.07 | Repo | 10recountthreat: 03Elsia * r35 / (11 files in 2 directories): RecountThreat: |
| 00:57.10 | Repo | - Now adds its own config options to Recount's blizz UI options. |
| 00:57.13 | Repo | - Toggle mode to make threat mode pop up in combat. |
| 00:57.16 | Repo | - Moved localization here. Still using Recount's if appropriate. This should be backward compatible. |
| 00:57.28 | NivFreak | Elsia: different than the drill down from the deaths tab? |
| 00:57.33 | Elsia | yes |
| 00:57.38 | NivFreak | cool, I'll check it out |
| 00:57.43 | Elsia | let me dig up a screenie |
| 00:57.53 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth * r155 / (4 files in 4 directories): -- Quest Items |
| 00:57.56 | Repo | -- Fun items |
| 00:58.01 | NivFreak | hehe, recountthreat? |
| 00:58.09 | Elsia | threat mode for recount |
| 00:58.14 | NivFreak | omen4? |
| 00:58.15 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 00:58.18 | Elsia | not really |
| 00:58.27 | Elsia | harshly plagerized and stripped down omen3 |
| 00:58.32 | NivFreak | haha |
| 00:59.00 | Elsia | basically anything that's good about it is probably xinhuan's work |
| 00:59.20 | NivFreak | does it provide anything useful over omen? |
| 00:59.22 | Elsia | or antiarc, not sure. kinda lost track who did what there |
| 00:59.24 | Elsia | no |
| 00:59.33 | Elsia | it's just the single target mode of omen embedded in recount |
| 01:00.03 | NivFreak | k |
| 01:00.03 | NivFreak | the other one sounds interesting still :) |
| 01:00.03 | Elsia | basically it's the "save screenspace" option if you want that |
| 01:00.12 | Elsia | try RecountGuessedAbsorbs, I'd love to get more testing on that one ;) |
| 01:01.02 | Poul|Raider | Xinhuan, thinking off it, what is the gain of using edges instead of points. A edge is product of 2 points, so if you queryed some polygone of 6 edges, then you just get 12 points basicly where of 10 are the same, arent that some kind of resonans ? |
| 01:01.10 | NivFreak | I only recently have been able to run recount in 25mans without major FPS issues |
| 01:01.13 | NivFreak | so I'll give it a shot |
| 01:01.51 | NivFreak | Elsia: is there a stats view that healing+absorb? |
| 01:02.09 | Elsia | almost, it' |
| 01:02.09 | NivFreak | that is* |
| 01:02.14 | Elsia | s absorbs separately |
| 01:02.28 | NivFreak | cool, I'll check it out, but it'd be nice to have both views |
| 01:02.42 | NivFreak | healing meters are touchy things |
| 01:02.43 | taleden | speaking of recount and fps, is there a good self-only dps measurement and analysis mod that isn't as heavy as recount seems to be? |
| 01:02.45 | Elsia | I may offer a merge option once it's stable, but lets see |
| 01:02.50 | NivFreak | and disc priests are almost a mystery some times ;) |
| 01:02.51 | Xinhuan | that would be for you to decide Poul|Raider |
| 01:03.40 | Elsia | violation is very lightweight. skada is easier for now too, but it misses some damage at least in my test, i'm sure that'll be ironed out soon though |
| 01:03.54 | Poul|Raider | ye, i just came to think of that now, wondering why edges would be better then points alone |
| 01:04.28 | taleden | poul: it depends how you store nodes and edges |
| 01:04.51 | taleden | if you have two copies of the same node coordinates, one for each edge that it's a part of, then that misses the advantage and you might as well stick the coordinates in the edges themselves |
| 01:05.13 | taleden | but if you have those two edges both reference the same point record, then you could update that one point and it would immediately affect both edges |
| 01:05.33 | NivFreak | I like recount, it's certainly not light weight, but I enjoy being able to dig the amount of data I do out of it |
| 01:05.34 | taleden | without the risk of accidentally moving one edge's endpoint and not moving the neighbor edge's corresponding point, and then you have a gap in your series of edges |
| 01:05.35 | NivFreak | OHHH |
| 01:05.39 | NivFreak | Elsia: you know what I REALLY want? |
| 01:05.44 | Poul|Raider | right now i got edges refering 2 points as ids |
| 01:05.48 | NivFreak | Elsia: the ability to only show pets ;) |
| 01:05.57 | NivFreak | Elsia: so I can spam malygos drake meters to raid |
| 01:06.04 | Elsia | hmm you can do that I think |
| 01:06.04 | Xinhuan | Elsia, just a query, does recount store data all in numbers? |
| 01:06.12 | NivFreak | Elsia: I can do healing meters, and I can split them out for dps |
| 01:06.14 | Elsia | check filter settings and disable show for non-pets |
| 01:06.23 | NivFreak | but since they are like 20+ in dps |
| 01:06.28 | NivFreak | I have to spam 50ish lines |
| 01:06.38 | NivFreak | it's very noisy |
| 01:06.44 | Elsia | Xinhuan: numbers are stored as numbers yeah |
| 01:06.52 | Xinhuan | how about non-numbers |
| 01:06.59 | NivFreak | Elsia: or am I missing something |
| 01:06.59 | Xinhuan | are they stored as numbers with a lookup table? |
| 01:07.01 | Elsia | expected lua types |
| 01:07.08 | Poul|Raider | taleden, i didnt miss out your words in the first place about copy points/updating 2 edges point at the same time the first time. I just still wondered if it was worth it to store as edges over points |
| 01:07.42 | Xinhuan | Poul|Raider, depends on how you intend to use that data |
| 01:08.03 | NivFreak | Elsia: ah, I think I get what you're talking about |
| 01:08.03 | Poul|Raider | thats my propblem, i dont intend to use it at all! |
| 01:08.03 | Xinhuan | if you were to build a graph for whatever purpuses, then nodes/edges fits the graph model perfectly |
| 01:08.04 | Poul|Raider | :P |
| 01:08.09 | NivFreak | Elsia: I'll try it on the next kill |
| 01:08.20 | Xinhuan | but if you were to build a graph using just edge data that specified coords, its more complicated |
| 01:08.30 | Elsia | k, let me know if that worked.. that's the intended method to show pets only at least |
| 01:08.43 | Xinhuan | so what you need to do for your assignment |
| 01:08.49 | Xinhuan | is to CHOOSE one of these methods |
| 01:08.52 | Xinhuan | and the JUSTIFY your choices |
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| 01:08.55 | Xinhuan | then* |
| 01:08.58 | Poul|Raider | ye |
| 01:09.11 | NivFreak | Elsia: I often forget about those filters |
| 01:09.28 | Elsia | NivFreak: it isn't the most intuitive piece of config I'll admit |
| 01:09.31 | Poul|Raider | but im just to make a design for the underlaying mapsystem google maps use :) |
| 01:09.46 | Xinhuan | you could also argue that roads and edges are often static and do not change over years |
| 01:09.56 | Poul|Raider | ye |
| 01:09.59 | NivFreak | Elsia: for some reason I was thinking that just affected what was captured, not what was displayed |
| 01:10.01 | Poul|Raider | thats true |
| 01:10.02 | Xinhuan | so the data structure need not be optimized for updating roads |
| 01:10.10 | Xinhuan | only for reading |
| 01:10.13 | Elsia | NivFreak: yeah I think a lot of people assume that |
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| 01:10.51 | Xinhuan | and oh yes Elsia, i suppose i have to give you a little bit of thumbs up for starting that civility thread |
| 01:11.18 | Elsia | didn't take much :P |
| 01:11.31 | Poul|Raider | just gonna go with, Points(ID, XPoint,YPoint) Edges(ID, StartPointID, EndPointID) Polygons(ID, EdgeID) and then type in some text :) |
| 01:11.31 | Xinhuan | but oh it does |
| 01:11.38 | Xinhuan | you have a very outspoken personality |
| 01:11.49 | Xinhuan | which is what makes it easy for you |
| 01:12.06 | Xinhuan | and care is taken not to step on anyone |
| 01:12.09 | Elsia | well I kinda decide that it's better to say something than not, especially if ultimately one has good intentions |
| 01:12.52 | Elsia | misunderstandings happen, you can always try to correct them, sometimes you cannot, but then it's not for the reason of having said something but because you can never control reception |
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| 01:15.35 | Elsia | there is actually a quite nice little book by a psychologist/linguist called paul watzlawick taht's called "the situation is hopeless but not serious" |
| 01:15.53 | Elsia | it talks about things we do that guarantee that things stay complicated |
| 01:16.12 | Elsia | there is a story there about a man getting a new soup from his wife, and she made tremendous efforts to make the soup |
| 01:16.24 | Elsia | the soup arrives, he takes a taste and it's gawdaweful |
| 01:16.40 | Elsia | he decides to try to be nice to his wife and praises the soup when she eagerly asks his input |
| 01:16.57 | Elsia | result: the wife serves him this new soup frequently in the believe she does him something good |
| 01:17.16 | NivFreak | haha |
| 01:17.34 | Elsia | conclusio: don't hide if you see something happening if you thing it's a fair and honest point to make |
| 01:17.42 | NivFreak | I like it, amazon time |
| 01:17.43 | Elsia | it's better than not saying it in most cases |
| 01:18.18 | NivFreak | how you communicate your experiences matters a lot though |
| 01:18.32 | Elsia | absolutely |
| 01:18.36 | NivFreak | there are certainly some folks that are better served keeping thier mouth shut |
| 01:18.57 | NivFreak | and in some cases, like my pregnant wife, you eat the soup and like it |
| 01:19.02 | Elsia | well certainly I don't advocate just blurting out your first through without worrying about the impact |
| 01:19.03 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 01:19.45 | NivFreak | look, I can get this book for $.54 |
| 01:19.52 | Elsia | hehe I'd get it |
| 01:20.01 | NivFreak | yea, I'm ordering it |
| 01:20.02 | NivFreak | sounds interesting |
| 01:20.26 | Elsia | it's a pretty funny read actually, watzlawick studied communication before he became a clinical psychologist |
| 01:21.13 | Elsia | the title is an old austrian saying that the austrian army used during world war one |
| 01:21.47 | Elsia | gives you a sense of the type of army that was :D |
| 01:22.05 | Elsia | anyway I should hit the sack, way late around here |
| 01:22.15 | Elsia | nite guys |
| 01:22.18 | NivFreak | nite |
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| 01:44.01 | orionshock | um.. Xinhuan http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=267740 |
| 01:44.03 | orionshock | >.> |
| 01:44.27 | Xinhuan | err n |
| 01:44.28 | Xinhuan | no |
| 01:44.33 | Xinhuan | he already acknowdged your 1st reply |
| 01:44.41 | Xinhuan | so his 2nd question is about the svn:external |
| 01:44.45 | Xinhuan | not reasking the same question |
| 01:45.26 | orionshock | eh... |
| 01:45.34 | orionshock | ok multi-taksing .. not working today.. |
| 01:45.41 | Xinhuan | i mean, why would he reask the same question? |
| 01:45.48 | Xinhuan | after he already said thanks to your first reply |
| 01:46.19 | Xinhuan | :p |
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| 01:48.25 | I440r | does anyone in here use quest helper? |
| 01:48.40 | I440r | its telling me to go to point A for a quest. i get there and it switches and tells me to go to point B |
| 01:48.45 | I440r | i get there and it switches back to A |
| 01:48.58 | I440r | how do i make a SPECIFIC quest be the one it calculates way points for>? |
| 01:49.06 | orionshock | use TourGuide and TomTom :) |
| 01:49.36 | I440r | no i asked for help on quest helper |
| 01:49.58 | orionshock | i know, i was being sarcastic... not sure anyone here uses questhelper |
| 01:50.05 | I440r | "how do i cook mac and cheese?" oh roast a chicken instead! - how about an answer to the question i asked :/ |
| 01:50.10 | I440r | im getting very frustrated |
| 01:50.47 | orionshock | did you complete questA while you where there, then when you finishied questB it sent you back to A? |
| 01:50.57 | Xinhuan | while i don't know the answer to your question, i'll suggest you make up your own mind for once and just do a quest first :D |
| 01:51.56 | Xinhuan | the question also depends on whether location A and B are for the same quest |
| 01:52.30 | I440r | NO because when i get to location A qh stopps telling me about quest A and tells me about quest B |
| 01:52.43 | I440r | and when i get to quest B's location it stops telling me about quest B and starts telling me about quest A |
| 01:52.46 | Xinhuan | isn't that intended behavior? |
| 01:52.50 | orionshock | did you complete questA while you where there, then when you finishied questB it sent you back to A? |
| 01:52.51 | I440r | no. totally different quest |
| 01:53.01 | Xinhuan | you are supposed to reach point A, complete A then move on to B, complete B |
| 01:53.08 | I440r | NO because i need to know where all the way points for quest A are when im AT quest A |
| 01:53.12 | I440r | not when im at quest B |
| 01:53.21 | Xinhuan | so there's more than 1 point for A? |
| 01:53.33 | I440r | yes |
| 01:53.45 | Xinhuan | i'll give you a tip |
| 01:53.55 | I440r | i need to set quest A as the ONLY THING it tells me about |
| 01:53.56 | Xinhuan | join #wowuidev channel and ask ZorbaBeta directly |
| 01:54.00 | Xinhuan | he's the author |
| 01:54.04 | I440r | !!!!! |
| 01:54.07 | I440r | GOOD tip! |
| 01:54.09 | I440r | ty :) |
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| 02:04.54 | Zhinjio | why does the formula for weapon damage (min and max) include weapon speed (not weapon dps, just min/max dmg) |
| 02:08.19 | taleden | dps = (min + max) / (2 * speed) ? |
| 02:09.29 | Zhinjio | I'm not talking about dps |
| 02:09.36 | Zhinjio | just min/max damage per swing |
| 02:09.44 | Zhinjio | although yes, for dps, that makes perfect sense. |
| 02:09.47 | Zhinjio | lemme link... |
| 02:09.48 | taleden | attack power normalization? |
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| 02:11.19 | Zhinjio | look here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Damage_Per_Second |
| 02:11.30 | Zhinjio | then about midway down the page, you'll see min range and max range values |
| 02:11.44 | Poul|Raider | anyone who know his way around with ER-Diagram (database) Drawing rectangles and circles arent fun!!! naa my question is just if you draw onto your diagram the relations from one table to another if its just a id-refference to the other table |
| 02:12.07 | Zhinjio | the formula divides by weapon speed and then adds in AP /14 and then multiplies my weapon speed |
| 02:12.13 | Zhinjio | I don't understand wwhy |
| 02:12.51 | taleden | it's because melee attack power's benefit has to be scaled somehow based on weapon speed |
| 02:12.59 | taleden | otherwise super slow weapons benefit too much from AP |
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| 02:13.06 | taleden | so they have to take it out, apply the AP, then put it back in, or omsething |
| 02:13.09 | taleden | that's my guess anyway |
| 02:13.29 | Zhinjio | alright, thats a reasonable explanation |
| 02:16.55 | Zhinjio | hmm, wonder if haste gets applied to weapon speed before that stuff. |
| 02:17.13 | taleden | i'd guess not, but that's just a guess |
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| 02:20.25 | Zhinjio | yeah, at least from one way of reading this, it looks like weapon speed modifiers are applied after the AP calculations are done |
| 02:38.51 | Welshpaladin | hmm, this might be reported already, but table of contents on project pages seem a little.. tripled? (e.g. http://www.wowace.com/projects/omen-threat-meter/ ) |
| 02:45.05 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 02:45.10 | Xinhuan | sure is odd |
| 02:45.17 | Xinhuan | ckknight |
| 02:45.31 | Xinhuan | pokes ckknight in the ribs |
| 02:45.39 | ckknight | you leave my ribs alone. |
| 02:45.54 | ckknight | ah, wth |
| 02:45.55 | Xinhuan | what did you do to http://www.wowace.com/projects/omen-threat-meter/ !! |
| 02:46.48 | Shefki | I'm confused by where I can find what's on that page. |
| 02:46.55 | Shefki | I think it might need a Table of Contents. |
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| 02:49.02 | ckknight | fixed for now |
| 02:54.52 | I440r | in the past 3 days ive made 3 levels. 1 level per day. im not two bubbles from lvl 75 and have been two bubbles from lvl 75 for 5 hours :/ |
| 02:55.28 | I440r | mobs that i was soloing 5 at a time are now killing me - i dont get it |
| 02:55.46 | I440r | i mean. i was killing 5 at a time. now ONE of them kills me. |
| 02:55.55 | I440r | my equip is at 86% |
| 02:59.24 | ckknight | and properly fixed the issue |
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| 03:01.10 | ilovemrdoe | :) |
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| 03:10.20 | WobWork | I440r: as what class? |
| 03:10.59 | WobWork | (also, you don't have res sickness, do you?) |
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| 03:15.18 | I440r | no no sickness. but i quit wow and started it again and i seem to be holding my own again |
| 03:15.25 | I440r | but they bring me down fast |
| 03:15.32 | I440r | so i have down time. im a lock |
| 03:15.51 | I440r | i have all old content raid epics and am about to hit lvl 75 |
| 03:16.09 | I440r | things just seem to be going totally squirly right now and im getting frustrated |
| 03:16.48 | I440r | i usually take on 3 or more mobs 2 levels ahead of me and finish the fight with 100% mana and 100% health |
| 03:19.05 | I440r | ive leveled 3 times in the past 3 days. ive been stuck at 2 bubbles to ding for 5 hours |
| 03:19.09 | I440r | im 1 bubble to ding now |
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| 03:22.48 | WobWork | what class? |
| 03:22.57 | WobWork | oh |
| 03:22.58 | WobWork | lock |
| 03:23.03 | WobWork | sorry, completely missed that |
| 03:23.26 | WobWork | no idea I'm afraid, never played a lock high enough |
| 03:26.04 | Poul|Raider | are there an alt+code to do an intersection sign, a turned around U :P |
| 03:26.15 | Poul|Raider | cant find it in the symbol thing in word! |
| 03:26.16 | Poul|Raider | doh |
| 03:27.16 | Poul|Raider | never mind, found it in some other shit in word |
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| 03:29.36 | Poul|Raider | relational algrebra are not funny |
| 03:30.00 | Poul|Raider | maybe i should have readed up on some of this before today :P |
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| 03:50.23 | Shefki | Yay: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443405133&sid=1&pageNo=3#53 |
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| 04:04.23 | Poul|Raider | Anyone know how to, with relational algebra find, an id that only exists once in two tables? |
| 04:15.48 | I440r | WobWork, its ok, i know its not me, a pally friend of mine cant AOE tank more than three right now. i think that something is glitched |
| 04:15.56 | I440r | or else blizz stealth buffed every mob in the game :) |
| 04:27.35 | Arrowmaster | what spec? |
| 04:43.34 | Aeyan | I would assume protection |
| 04:47.13 | Repo | 10magicrunes: 03dhedbor * r46 / (6 files in 2 directories): Added the Gloss Orb rune icons by Camalus. |
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| 05:17.06 | knigitz | hey all |
| 05:17.21 | knigitz | anyone around familiar with lua? :o |
| 05:20.13 | ckknight | lua's for nerds |
| 05:20.23 | ckknight | also, your name is offensive to my people |
| 05:20.42 | WobWork | Now go away or I will taunt you a second time? |
| 05:21.09 | knigitz | ;) |
| 05:21.16 | ckknight | ~asktoask |
| 05:21.25 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 05:22.47 | knigitz | well i'm modifying minichat, i've done fixed the auto minimize and made it so when the mouse is hovered over the chat frame, it will not auto minimize until the mouse leaves the chat frame, but i also have wim installed, and when I get/send whispers it triggers auto maximize (even though the whispers don't output to the chat frame) |
| 05:23.49 | knigitz | i'm currently in the process of resolving that, but i'm still new at lua and don't know how to check to see if wim is installed, and if it is to check and see if the output is going to the chat frame, or the wim window. |
| 05:24.27 | Arrowmaster | what normally causes it to expand? |
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| 05:28.48 | knigitz | when someone whispers you, it will expand |
| 05:29.06 | knigitz | but in the case of WIM, even if the actual whisper is not sent to the chat frame and sent to WIM, it still expands |
| 05:33.09 | knigitz | basically all i need is to check to see if wim is enabled, and check to see where it is sending the messages by looking at the config and determining where it should be sending them probably |
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| 05:38.07 | knigitz | even something as simple as if(IsAddOnLoaded("WIM")) then does not seem to work... |
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| 05:53.39 | Poul|Raider | if having a table with (Name, branch, balance, amount) and want to find those who have higest balance and lowest amount for each branch. I got my ass around to find those with higest balance before, but not sure if im able to in sql to take out where (balance - amount) = higest |
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| 05:58.04 | WobWork | balance - amount = highest what? |
| 05:58.12 | WobWork | take out? |
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| 05:58.50 | PoulRaider | blue screen of death! not funny |
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| 06:00.36 | WobWork | PoulRaider: So you want the names which hold the highest difference in balance and amount per branch? |
| 06:01.28 | PoulRaider | well, ye that must be another way of saying it :) |
| 06:04.27 | WobWork | select Name, Branch, Balance, Amount, MAX(Balance - Amount) from test group by Branch |
| 06:04.28 | WobWork | ? |
| 06:05.02 | WobWork | no wait |
| 06:05.07 | PoulRaider | well i got the idea |
| 06:05.15 | PoulRaider | didnt know i could do MAX(balance-amount) |
| 06:05.16 | WobWork | but something like that |
| 06:05.19 | WobWork | maybe |
| 06:05.57 | WobWork | it's not quite right though |
| 06:05.58 | PoulRaider | well its np, was just a simple example i put up to get the ideae, the assignment is more fucked up having a better design :) so gotta join some things first to get to what i wrote |
| 06:06.12 | PoulRaider | naa, you get some error by doign what you wrote i guess |
| 06:06.18 | PoulRaider | with the agress. function thing |
| 06:07.11 | PoulRaider | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m717dcf29 |
| 06:07.32 | PoulRaider | there was what i wrote for the other part, was just to find max balance for each branch |
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| 06:14.14 | robotusch | So, PoulRaider, who has taken Nelle away from us? :( |
| 06:14.30 | PoulRaider | i stoped playing back in dec so no idea |
| 06:14.36 | robotusch | :( |
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| 06:14.59 | robotusch | men godmorgen til HolgerDKDK |
| 06:18.34 | Ackis | heh I did heroic oculus, got the normal/heroic achievement for it, champion of northrend, and the normal/heroic dungeons for wrath lol |
| 06:21.43 | robotusch | I'll be getting that as well once I get around to finishing it off |
| 06:28.11 | Torhal | Such flammable little insects... |
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| 06:29.45 | KarlThePagan | curse client... again :( |
| 06:30.50 | robotusch | Torhal, speaking of which http://sarth3d.dk/WoWScrnShot_030209_175825.jpg |
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| 06:43.48 | Torhal | robotusch: Nice |
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| 06:44.47 | robotusch | sigh, looks like this is the end of cricket in Pakistan for a very long time :/ |
| 06:45.07 | Torhal | Oh? |
| 06:45.47 | robotusch | the sri lankan team who are/were touring Pakistan were attacked earlier this morning by gunmen |
| 06:46.15 | Torhal | ... |
| 06:46.27 | robotusch | already a lot of countries have said they won't play in Pakistan due to the security situation, so this ain't exactly helping |
| 06:46.36 | Camci | Hey folks, any roleplayer here i could talk to abit etc? got a few questions |
| 06:46.37 | Torhal | And a prominent coach was assassinated a couple of years ago after losing a couple of games... |
| 06:46.47 | Torhal | Blargh. |
| 06:48.10 | robotusch | that was in the caribbean & iirc it was found to be natural causes |
| 06:48.55 | robotusch | but yeah, that was the Pakistani coach & that was the day after they lost to a very much lesser ranking team :p |
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| 07:01.26 | Arrowmaster | somebody deleted my sig.... |
| 07:02.36 | robotusch | I blame it on the boogie |
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| 07:09.39 | ckknight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxxBxvOGXm0 |
| 07:11.29 | Sekkyo | Anyone know why I am missing my ChatLangButton in Prat? |
| 07:11.47 | Arrowmaster | because it hides all buttons by default |
| 07:12.14 | Arrowmaster | and you dont really have any reason to switch chat languages |
| 07:12.19 | Sekkyo | Wow, that's so wrong ckknight |
| 07:12.43 | Sekkyo | Arrowmaster: The fuck I do. I can speak Titan with Orc Rogues, being an Nelf Rogue |
| 07:12.49 | ckknight | or oh so right |
| 07:13.06 | Arrowmaster | titan? |
| 07:13.11 | Sekkyo | Yeah |
| 07:13.18 | Arrowmaster | on ptr? |
| 07:13.18 | Sekkyo | Nelf Rogues and Orc Rogues can speak Titan |
| 07:13.23 | Sekkyo | No |
| 07:13.29 | Sekkyo | Have been able to on live since 2.4 |
| 07:13.54 | Arrowmaster | i have an orc rogue, and have never seen that |
| 07:14.01 | Sekkyo | We went from full conversations to secret societies |
| 07:14.12 | Sekkyo | Anyways, my request for help still remains |
| 07:14.23 | Arrowmaster | should be an option to unhide it somewhere |
| 07:14.27 | Sekkyo | I've used the Prat Config to turn buttons on and they don't appear |
| 07:15.24 | Sekkyo | Buttons module is enabled and in the Display Settings->Button config, neither of the two checkboxes make a difference |
| 07:15.44 | Sekkyo | I wish sylvanaar was on |
| 07:16.13 | Sekkyo | Using /script SendChatMessage("Sup", "say", "Titan") is getting annoying. |
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| 07:21.17 | Xinhuan | try turning the option to show then |
| 07:21.19 | Xinhuan | then reloadui? |
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| 07:26.18 | sb|work | morning |
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| 07:31.38 | Sekkyo | Xinhuan: I know I've tried that and it hasn't worked. Just logged for the night but I'll leave a note to try it again anyways. |
| 07:38.16 | Elkano | OMG... I think the new UnitAura API will be great :) |
| 07:38.23 | ckknight | hmm? |
| 07:38.33 | Camci | ? |
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| 07:38.48 | sb|work | Elkano: -vv |
| 07:39.44 | Camci | noone here with RP n lore knowledge? :( |
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| 07:40.16 | Elkano | post 53 @ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443405133&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
| 07:40.57 | Elkano | will be great for Malygos or Occulus |
| 07:42.00 | Elkano | camci, what's the question? and wrt lore, wowiki is a great place |
| 07:42.02 | Camci | whos gonna do malygos when ulduar is out etc? |
| 07:42.28 | Camci | err |
| 07:42.29 | Camci | well |
| 07:42.37 | Elkano | well, Malygos can still be a got test to see who not to take with you into Uldur ;) |
| 07:42.55 | Elkano | got? good... |
| 07:43.09 | Camci | was wondering if it was possible for a night elf, lore wise, come back from the dead, somehow? |
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| 07:44.10 | Camci | was a few months ago, more like 4-5 i RPed with my druid, but miss doing RP time to time and was wondering if that was possible. |
| 07:44.31 | Elkano | well... since there are N11-DKs, yes ;) |
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| 07:45.08 | Camci | wouldnt that mean to come back as DK? |
| 07:45.26 | Camci | i want my druid :p |
| 07:46.36 | nevcairiel | Just say you were in the emerald dream, thats a blanket excuse for any night elf druids |
| 07:46.52 | Elkano | also, when you die ingame, you come back as wisp and can reposses your corpse or be resurected by a spirit healer |
| 07:47.15 | Camci | lol elkano :P |
| 07:47.19 | Elkano | though from a pure lore standpoint, I'm not sure myself |
| 07:47.54 | Camci | hmm, ill check that out bit further nevcairiel |
| 07:47.55 | Elkano | since in most fantasy scenarios I think elves are said to become one with the light when they die |
| 07:48.18 | Camci | yea |
| 07:48.24 | Elkano | "Yeah... emerald dream... all that funny colors..." |
| 07:50.01 | Repo | 10talented: 03TrAsHeR * r424 Locales/frFR.lua: frFR update |
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| 07:58.47 | digmouse | is there any 3.0 WoW API EditPlus syntax highlighting available? |
| 08:03.36 | Camci | lol http://img2.pict.com/d5/aa/2a/7e5703eddb5c4134f481f1ba94/zxNFq/1236065690924.jpg |
| 08:05.01 | ckknight | lol, Camci |
| 08:05.11 | Fisker- | ½old |
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| 08:34.40 | Repo | 10iq: 03kunda * r32 IQ.lua: |
| 08:34.42 | Repo | fixed bug in 2HWeaponCheck if inspected unit or player can equip two 2-Hand-Weapons (e.g. warrior with skill 'Titan's Grip') |
| 08:36.52 | sb|work | bah, i hate people trying to convince me that they need no flask (healers, sp flask) *sigh* |
| 08:36.58 | sb|work | this is so retarted |
| 08:37.20 | nevcairiel | just tell them to flask or be replaced |
| 08:46.30 | NeoTron | hot my server crashed |
| 08:46.39 | Wobin | Mine appears to be frozen |
| 08:46.53 | orionshock | did wow go down? |
| 08:46.55 | Wobin | oh it's down now |
| 08:47.05 | orionshock | ~wowalert |
| 08:47.05 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 08:47.13 | nevcairiel | bah |
| 08:47.14 | Wobin | looks like some are just falling over |
| 08:47.39 | NeoTron | "shutdown in 15 m" |
| 08:47.45 | NeoTron | and then 20s later it went down |
| 08:47.50 | nevcairiel | is it rolling restart time already? |
| 08:47.51 | NeoTron | just as I was about to loot Van Cleef |
| 08:47.58 | Wobin | The normal shutdowns are scheduled in 4 and a bit hours |
| 08:47.59 | NeoTron | server had osme horrid lag issues |
| 08:48.06 | Grotar | pounces nevcairiel |
| 08:48.08 | NeoTron | like 1 minute loot lag |
| 08:48.17 | nevcairiel | Grotar: you lost a k somewhere |
| 08:48.23 | Grotar | whoa |
| 08:48.26 | Grotar | i did i did |
| 08:48.42 | Grotar | how did that happen? |
| 08:48.48 | Grotar | it's spelled correct in my perform |
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| 08:49.10 | nevcairiel | I bet Fiskker stole it |
| 08:49.23 | Grotar | supposed to ghost groktar then wait 3 seconds before changing my name to groktar and identifying |
| 08:49.40 | Groktar | nope, still mine |
| 08:50.03 | Wobin | bah |
| 08:50.11 | Wobin | I could have spent tonight at work playing the Wii =P |
| 08:50.14 | Groktar | blames Wobin's hax |
| 08:50.39 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: are you bloodlust battlegroup? some blue post just appeared about realm issues :) |
| 08:50.49 | NeoTron | yeah. Kilrogg |
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| 08:51.02 | Groktar | blames Wobin's hax for that, too |
| 08:51.18 | NeoTron | fortunately I had sufficent time to finish my evil plans, I mean, addon |
| 08:51.20 | Groktar | DAMN YOU WOBIN |
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| 08:52.26 | Repo | 10magic-dkp: 03dhedbor * r99 / (7 files in 3 directories): |
| 08:52.29 | Repo | Added an addon that hooks into XLootMaster to register loot events. Attemps to detect resulting duplicate events. |
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| 08:56.55 | Repo | 10magic-dkp: 03dhedbor * r100 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 08:56.57 | Repo | Fixed loading of the XLootHook addon when enabling the config param. |
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| 08:57.19 | Hiroism | hi everyone |
| 08:57.35 | Repo | 10iq: 03kunda 04r32-release * r33 : Tagging as r32-release |
| 08:58.11 | Hiroism | doesn anyone know if wow is rolling restarts or server going down for 6 hours? |
| 08:59.22 | Repo | 10magic-dkp: 03dhedbor * r101 .pkgmeta: Fixed .pkmeta. |
| 09:02.02 | drweird | rolling restarts.. |
| 09:02.13 | drweird | unless you are in my battlegroup.. Bloodlust, in which case.. your server is already offline |
| 09:02.16 | drweird | haha |
| 09:02.32 | Hiroism | confirm on rolling restarts? |
| 09:02.53 | Hiroism | i m from blackrock realm |
| 09:03.04 | sb|work | nevcairiel: yup, i just did... |
| 09:03.24 | drweird | hard to say, Blackrock is one of the ones that is down due to issues with Bloodlust |
| 09:03.39 | drweird | well, being part of bloodlust. for "stability" fixing |
| 09:03.59 | Hiroism | so blackrock is going down too ? and no rolling restarts? |
| 09:04.41 | drweird | blackrock is down now, pre-maintenance due to issues.. so its possible the other machines in the Bloodlust battlegroup, that are also down.. will undergo extended maintenance tomorrow |
| 09:06.02 | Hiroism | i m still confuse. So do i go meet my girlfriend tonight ? cause if i can play wow tonight, it means i dont nmeed to meet my gf |
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| 09:07.54 | nevcairiel | You use wow as a gf replacement? |
| 09:08.34 | Hiroism | erm yea, i m a bastard. i agree |
| 09:08.38 | Hiroism | blame blizz |
| 09:12.26 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: it's cheaper |
| 09:13.01 | nevcairiel | worse in bed, though |
| 09:13.29 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: that's relative to how trained your right hand is |
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| 09:13.56 | Kalroth | Additionally I find that if you sit on your hand for ~5 minutes, then it feels like someone else is doing it |
| 09:15.10 | nevcairiel | How would you know how someone else feels? |
| 09:15.28 | Kalroth | Well duh, I get paid every month |
| 09:17.26 | Hiroism | LOL |
| 09:17.31 | Hiroism | Kal : lolol |
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| 09:24.44 | digmouse | I'd rather delete my chars if I have a GF |
| 09:25.18 | Kalroth | What, why |
| 09:25.45 | Kalroth | Girls are volatile, WoW accounts are forever. |
| 09:26.57 | digmouse | no, WoW maybe gone after years but a girl can be your wife forever |
| 09:28.57 | phyber | uyou just need a method of locking the people responsible for wow in the basement too. then both can be yours forever. |
| 09:28.58 | krka | girls are volatile when placed in a industrial burner of high enough temperature |
| 09:30.20 | Wobin | So any notification as to why Bloodlust went down? |
| 09:32.16 | Fisker- | So you don't have to wait for bloodlust after a wipe |
| 09:32.51 | Repo | 10talented: 03kunda * r425 Locales/deDE.lua: deDE update |
| 09:34.32 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r749 AceBucket-3.0/AceBucket-3.0.lua: AceBucket-3.0: LuaDocs |
| 09:35.53 | Wobin | yay, we're back up |
| 09:35.56 | digmouse | phyber: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/23/15443308996-realm-issues--bloodlust-battlegroup--3020.html |
| 09:36.07 | digmouse | no |
| 09:36.12 | digmouse | wobin: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/23/15443308996-realm-issues--bloodlust-battlegroup--3020.html |
| 09:36.19 | Wobin | ta |
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| 09:39.08 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443447975&sid=1 |
| 09:39.11 | Fisker- | i facepalm'd |
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| 09:41.52 | Bibi | I hope it hurts |
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| 09:42.15 | Wobin | also facepalms |
| 09:43.39 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r750 AceBucket-3.0/AceBucket-3.0.lua: AceBucket-3.0: markup fixes |
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| 09:44.56 | Vilkku | and I lol'd |
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| 09:59.10 | Groktar | mouthbreathers putting up like 15 of one glyph |
| 09:59.11 | Groktar | sigh |
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| 10:37.44 | Repo | 10skada: 03Zarnivoop * r98 modules/ (3 files in 3 directories): Use the new alternating bar color. |
| 10:45.18 | Repo | 10skada: 03Zarnivoop * r99 Skada.lua: Reset the alt color flag on bar reset. |
| 10:50.37 | Repo | 10skada: 03Zarnivoop 041.0-10 * r100 : Tagging as 1.0-10 |
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| 11:06.53 | sb|work | Zarnivoop: are you going to implement guessed absorbs? |
| 11:07.02 | sb|work | Zarnivoop: see http://www.wowace.com/projects/recountguessedabsorbs/ |
| 11:08.53 | nevcairiel | anything thats not perfectly accurate should be left out if you ask me =P |
| 11:09.59 | sb|work | but i'd like to see big numbers as disc priest :p |
| 11:10.16 | sb|work | not possible with 'healing done' ;) |
| 11:11.57 | Codayus | Mmm, the issue is, people want to use recount to give some idea of "healer effectiveness", and as long as it misses absobption, it's quite innacurate. |
| 11:12.21 | nevcairiel | people that judge healers by recount should die anyway |
| 11:12.31 | Codayus | True. |
| 11:12.51 | Codayus | But that *IS* what people want, and sadly, what they'll do anyhow. |
| 11:13.24 | nevcairiel | absorb tracking is quite inaccurate, especially with more then one disc priest |
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| 11:13.43 | Codayus | I wish Bliz would just fix the combat log so you didn't need crazy heuristics to figure out what one of the primary healing classes is even doing though. :-/ |
| 11:14.16 | nevcairiel | Its not a thing you can easily "fix", it would need a complete overhaul of the absorb messages |
| 11:14.23 | Codayus | Yep |
| 11:15.20 | Zarnivoop | looks a bit icky |
| 11:15.49 | nevcairiel | Its not healing done, thats why i wouldn't want it in the healing meters |
| 11:15.50 | Codayus | But absorbs can add up to a third or so to a disc priests output, depending. Of course, it's not like you can really compare ANY healers using meters and get anything useful out, so meh. |
| 11:16.16 | nevcairiel | Do i get more healing done accounted for when i use my barkskin? :) |
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| 11:16.44 | Zarnivoop | instead of checking for aura application and then attribute damage absorbs to the aura applier, should it not be possible to simple attribute the full possible effect of the aura straight off? |
| 11:16.45 | sb|work | Codayus: 1/3?? its more like 2/3 - 3/3 :p |
| 11:17.04 | sb|work | Zarnivoop: well, "possible" effect |
| 11:17.12 | nevcairiel | Zarnivoop: that would even be more inaccurate |
| 11:17.26 | Zarnivoop | it would, since the damage absorbed is variable, now that I think closer |
| 11:17.34 | nevcairiel | I still stand by my statement, its a meter for "Healing Done", not "Healing saved due to absorbs" |
| 11:17.54 | Codayus | Zarnivoop: Gets kinda tricky, but in theory we don't much care about shields that are never used, especially since PoH can scatter them across the raid. |
| 11:19.12 | selckin | anyone trying to use a meter fo "healer effectiveness" is doing it wrong anyway |
| 11:19.17 | selckin | no mather how smart the meter is |
| 11:19.18 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 11:19.59 | sb|work | well thats right |
| 11:20.02 | sb|work | BUT |
| 11:20.09 | Codayus | nevcairiel: Eh...depends, for a lot of purposes, it's a bit like arguing over whether to count a pet's DPS towards the master. |
| 11:20.13 | nevcairiel | I only use WWS to look at spells used and HoT uptimes, well okay stasiscl for HoT uptimes :) |
| 11:20.17 | sb|work | if 1 healer puts out ~50 FHs and another ~20 |
| 11:20.21 | sb|work | and people are dying |
| 11:20.25 | sb|work | the second healer fails |
| 11:20.30 | sb|work | just because he could have done much more |
| 11:20.45 | sb|work | (simple example... :p) |
| 11:20.50 | Codayus | Counter example - you run Naxx every week with different specs, you always have the same assignment, and you wonder if your new spec is any better than the one you ran last week. Meters help; missing absorbs hurts. |
| 11:21.10 | selckin | meters won't help |
| 11:21.16 | selckin | healing is a collaberation |
| 11:21.17 | nevcairiel | You can't even compare your own healing output like that |
| 11:21.25 | selckin | some other healer could be doing more raw healing, making your spec look bad |
| 11:21.27 | nevcairiel | dmg incoming might be totally different |
| 11:21.29 | selckin | its just stupid to compare |
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| 11:21.54 | selckin | aye tank cool be taking less damage |
| 11:21.57 | selckin | or less ppl standing in fire! |
| 11:22.19 | nevcairiel | You give a healer a task, like ThatGuy, you heal ThatTank, if tank lives, all is good! |
| 11:22.29 | Codayus | Meh, yeah. So assume your comparing healing the same tank on Patch. It's still better than nothing. |
| 11:22.35 | nevcairiel | unless some other healer comlains that he had to crossheal on that tank alot |
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| 11:22.43 | sb|work | nevcairiel: thats the point :p |
| 11:23.03 | selckin | heaing distirbution meters along with assignment knowledge now that is usefull |
| 11:23.23 | nevcairiel | Thats pretty much what i look at the most on Recount |
| 11:23.31 | nevcairiel | "Who did that guy heal? Who was he assigned to?" |
| 11:23.32 | selckin | and reaction time |
| 11:24.07 | nevcairiel | Or just like, "Hey that tank died, why does Archeron say your last heal was 8s ago?" |
| 11:24.31 | selckin | yeah events leading up to a death are usefull |
| 11:24.39 | selckin | wanders afk |
| 11:24.43 | nevcairiel | Or healers running OOM very quickly is good too :P |
| 11:25.14 | nevcairiel | People reading WWS or even Recount have just to accept that disc priests will always be lower on meters, but still valuable |
| 11:26.20 | sb|work | and druids will always be higher |
| 11:26.29 | sb|work | at least until that LB nerf hits :p |
| 11:26.38 | Codayus | Yeah, but it's not like the shields are something like MoTW which just exists. Depending on the fight, assignments, spell usage, etc., there's a big difference in absoption done. |
| 11:27.31 | Codayus | It would be nice to have more data, however hard it might be to interpret. :-) |
| 11:27.57 | Codayus | (But that would require major changes to the combat log, of course, and already discussed...) |
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| 11:32.37 | nevcairiel | Just look at the uptime of the different shields |
| 11:32.42 | nevcairiel | its already a nice indicator |
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| 11:40.00 | CrazyBenny | is there an addon, that would provide same functionality at auctioneers Appraiser without all the other stuff? |
| 11:46.45 | Whitetooth | CrazyBunny: you can delete all the other modules in Auc-Advanced\Modules |
| 11:47.44 | CrazyBenny | oh, good point |
| 11:47.47 | Stanzilla | Whitetooth: happy bday! :D |
| 11:47.57 | Whitetooth | thank you :) |
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| 12:07.36 | Elkano | omg ^^ http://zip.4chan.org/c/src/1236047054703.png |
| 12:13.08 | Wobin | can you imagine the ring nowadays? |
| 12:13.21 | Wobin | Torrents would kill the majority of the internet after the first seed =P |
| 12:17.51 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 12:24.37 | Fisker- | I DIED |
| 12:24.38 | Fisker- | BLARGH |
| 12:25.25 | selckin | casts raise zombie |
| 12:25.33 | Megalon | launches some Large Blue Rocket Cluster |
| 12:33.50 | Elkano | Wobin, ring nowadays would be a great way to clean the web... it would only kill those that don't seed ^^ since the others crate copies |
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| 12:48.59 | JY` | mmh i have a question |
| 12:49.06 | JY` | what is the problem with DK in heroics |
| 12:49.18 | JY` | 70% of them can't play :) |
| 12:49.30 | Grum | they only have ~25 levels of experience |
| 12:49.45 | Grum | are severely overpowered while leveling; therefor attain no skill |
| 12:50.10 | JY` | my theory is that they are ex-dps class which has rerolled and don't give a damn about other while tanking |
| 12:50.44 | Grum | ofc you should have specified which role they played |
| 12:50.53 | JY` | yes |
| 12:51.16 | JY` | bad dps doesn' stand out as much as bad tanks |
| 12:51.45 | JY` | you can have a bad dk dps, you may not notice |
| 12:51.50 | JY` | but when they tank omg |
| 12:52.03 | Grum | so what kind of TPS was the tank doing? |
| 12:52.09 | sb|work | meh |
| 12:52.15 | sb|work | any hints for maly 6min? |
| 12:52.19 | sb|work | need to do that next id |
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| 12:52.30 | JY` | i dont watch tps |
| 12:52.33 | sb|work | no idea how hard it is going to be :p |
| 12:52.35 | JY` | but as a healer |
| 12:52.38 | Grum | sb|work: heroism the second you land after the first vortex |
| 12:52.44 | JY` | i get adds on me |
| 12:53.06 | Grum | burn maly down to <50 before the second vortex |
| 12:53.14 | Grum | make sure you kill the spark which is on its way |
| 12:53.30 | sb|work | so take enough ranged dps for p2? |
| 12:53.32 | Grum | stand in the spark; nuke all the stuff in the air with ranged; tanks+melee rip apart the stuff on the floor |
| 12:53.45 | Grum | sb|work: what is your normal setup? :D |
| 12:53.51 | sb|work | hehe |
| 12:53.53 | Grum | often you have ~4 casters at least on a 10m |
| 12:54.02 | sb|work | dont have :p |
| 12:55.03 | sb|work | mage, lock, restoshammy, rogue, enh. shammy, protpally, furywarrior, priest, feral, xxxxx |
| 12:55.16 | Grum | way too much melee |
| 12:55.17 | sb|work | priest = disc/holy |
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| 12:56.14 | SunTsu | JY`: tanking heavily relies on overview, which most DPS don't have and a good deal of experience to get it right, which most DKs can't have. Most other tanking classes did lots of tanking before |
| 12:56.26 | JY` | ^^ |
| 12:56.46 | JY` | that's a good theory |
| 12:57.14 | sb|work | Grum: meh, i cant replace those meeles :p |
| 12:57.19 | sb|work | melee even |
| 12:57.26 | sb|work | so xxxx should be caster |
| 12:57.31 | Grum | why not? |
| 12:57.46 | Megalon | he can't, no point in asking why not |
| 12:58.02 | Grum | you have 5 people doing 0 dps during transitions |
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| 12:58.12 | Grum | normally you can burn ~5-15% hp away during those |
| 12:58.20 | nevcairiel | you can even do Maly 6min on 10 man with two vortex |
| 12:58.27 | Grum | yeah you can |
| 12:58.29 | nevcairiel | its more close on 25 |
| 12:58.40 | nevcairiel | where 2 vortex is virtually impossible :) |
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| 12:58.55 | renchap | i started to play a prot paladin at level 58, and i think i tank quite well |
| 12:59.11 | Megalon | if your few ranged can bring down one scion |
| 12:59.22 | Megalon | while your melees kill the two lords |
| 12:59.28 | Megalon | you should be fine |
| 12:59.45 | nevcairiel | we're going for sarth10+3 this evening |
| 12:59.49 | nevcairiel | i hope we get him finally |
| 13:00.05 | sb|work | see Grum, we did s10+3 with that group :p |
| 13:00.46 | sb|work | so malygos should also be possible somehow :p |
| 13:00.46 | nevcairiel | you still lose alot of dps in the air phases |
| 13:00.46 | sb|work | yup :( |
| 13:00.46 | sb|work | well in p1 -> p2 transition that is |
| 13:00.46 | Megalon | that would mean in p2 only one melee has a short time where he can do nothin |
| 13:00.46 | nevcairiel | If you're lucky with the sparks you can manage |
| 13:00.46 | Grum | from the second it hits 50% you are basicly fucked |
| 13:00.46 | Megalon | which should not be a problem at all |
| 13:01.45 | Grum | we nuked 4/6 scions from the air before the 3rd spark burned out last time we did it on 10m |
| 13:01.50 | Grum | we did have 4 casters |
| 13:01.59 | Megalon | and yea, when only 2 or so scions are left |
| 13:02.02 | Grum | and made sure we killed the 3rd spark on the edge |
| 13:02.08 | nevcairiel | We went with 2 mages, a lock and a hunter |
| 13:02.10 | nevcairiel | was fine |
| 13:02.12 | Megalon | you only need to search for the bubbles when the breath come |
| 13:02.14 | Megalon | s |
| 13:02.22 | Grum | we did lock/spriest/turkey/mage |
| 13:02.22 | sb|work | what? :P |
| 13:02.33 | sb|work | ah ok |
| 13:02.37 | sb|work | when only 2 are left, got it :p |
| 13:02.46 | Megalon | we had it fail once because we hugged in the bubbles |
| 13:02.52 | Megalon | and 2 scoins where on the other side |
| 13:03.06 | Megalon | so most ranged were a few seconds out of ranged |
| 13:03.10 | Megalon | missed it by 2 seconds in p3 ;) |
| 13:03.22 | sb|work | 2 healer in p3? |
| 13:03.27 | Fisker- | sb|work they be trollin' |
| 13:03.33 | Grum | 1 worked but is a big more risky |
| 13:03.36 | Fisker- | A couple of days ago they told me it was easy without casters! |
| 13:03.39 | Grum | Fisker-: STFU! |
| 13:03.40 | nevcairiel | we used 2 |
| 13:03.41 | nevcairiel | was fine |
| 13:03.50 | Fisker- | no u Grum |
| 13:03.59 | Grum | tssk Fisker- fails |
| 13:04.13 | Fisker- | no u Grum |
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| 13:04.56 | sb|work | so you need actually more dps than you need in sarth3d fights? :O |
| 13:05.00 | sb|work | *sigh* |
| 13:05.06 | nevcairiel | hm nah |
| 13:05.07 | Grum | http://dl.dwim.org/~ebroes/fisker_weekends.jpg <-- |
| 13:05.15 | nevcairiel | let me upload our 6min kill to wws |
| 13:05.20 | nevcairiel | wonder what dps says |
| 13:05.26 | nevcairiel | although wws bugs on malygos alot <.< |
| 13:05.35 | nevcairiel | does stasiscl as well |
| 13:05.37 | Zarnivoop | for sarth3d you only need massive dps on first and second drake, really |
| 13:05.37 | Fisker- | why you posting pictures of yourself wishing to be me Grum ? |
| 13:05.53 | Grum | good try Fisker-; we won't fall for that |
| 13:06.06 | Fisker- | you already did |
| 13:06.11 | Fisker- | <-successful troll is successful |
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| 13:06.30 | Grum | everyone who agrees with Fisker-; hands up! |
| 13:06.36 | Grum | see .. no-one ! |
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| 13:07.07 | Fisker- | their hands were so much up they fell out of irc |
| 13:08.45 | Grum | no they were just crying about that picture and scrubbing their corneas with bleech |
| 13:12.06 | Fisker- | That's what they get for seeing your vacation photos |
| 13:12.17 | nevcairiel | I wish stasiscl would parse faster |
| 13:12.36 | sb|work | why not using wmo? |
| 13:12.43 | nevcairiel | its run by chinese people |
| 13:12.47 | sb|work | so? :p |
| 13:13.01 | nevcairiel | the whole page looks suspicious |
| 13:13.48 | nevcairiel | http://wow.nevcairiel.net/reports/03-09/sws-malygos-1235936205/index.html |
| 13:13.56 | nevcairiel | our malygos10 6min |
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| 13:14.42 | nuoHep | wmo parses pets much better than stasis :/ it even picks up aotd ghouls and splits them up most of the time right |
| 13:15.56 | sb|work | nevcairiel: so with more dps you can do better and dont need 4 casters ;) |
| 13:16.32 | nevcairiel | I never said it was impossible, just that it would be harded if you cant burn down 10% in the transition |
| 13:17.04 | nuoHep | well, we did it with a mage and hunter as ranged from the second pull (the first one we simply checked how much time we will spend on p2) |
| 13:17.12 | sb|work | i dont have any recent malygos stats :/ |
| 13:17.16 | sb|work | to compare dps |
| 13:17.20 | nuoHep | so its totally doable |
| 13:17.22 | Fisker- | looks pretty nice nevcairiel |
| 13:17.24 | Fisker- | except it's perl |
| 13:17.27 | Fisker- | (hoho trollin) |
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| 13:19.12 | Grum | perl <3 |
| 13:19.44 | nevcairiel | perl is just evil |
| 13:19.52 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 13:20.30 | Fisker- | new build of windows 7 today >:3 |
| 13:20.50 | nevcairiel | hey we'll be fisker free while he installs it |
| 13:20.53 | nevcairiel | does the happy dance |
| 13:21.28 | Repo | 10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone * r43 / (2 files in 1 directory): Change pkgmeta file to use "latest tag" of Ace3 libraries |
| 13:21.33 | Fisker- | nah nevcairiel |
| 13:21.33 | Lukian | awesome |
| 13:21.36 | Fisker- | i got irc on the phone |
| 13:21.46 | Lukian | :'( |
| 13:22.06 | Fisker- | :') |
| 13:22.17 | Grum | perl evil? nowai |
| 13:22.45 | sb|work | Fisker-: oh? |
| 13:22.55 | Fisker- | ? |
| 13:23.01 | sb|work | whats with win7 releases? |
| 13:23.08 | sb|work | wtb release candidate btw :/ |
| 13:23.11 | Fisker- | yarr |
| 13:23.15 | sb|work | haha wtb <> btw |
| 13:23.16 | sb|work | *sigh* |
| 13:23.21 | Fisker- | 7048 is rc branch though |
| 13:23.22 | Fisker- | >: |
| 13:23.23 | Fisker- | 3 |
| 13:23.24 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 13:23.25 | sb|work | i need to go home ;) |
| 13:28.02 | Fisker- | btw nevcairiel |
| 13:28.36 | Fisker- | Wouldn't happen to know some sweet sweet automation for that stasis app? |
| 13:30.55 | sb|work | i dont think there is one |
| 13:31.31 | nevcairiel | use an index generator and a cronjob |
| 13:32.55 | Fisker- | why would i use linux? :3 |
| 13:33.06 | Fisker- | that's like absolute madness |
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| 13:40.17 | Repo | 10recount: 03Elsia * r996 / (3 files in 1 directory): - Fixed bug in reports that have pets without owners. |
| 13:40.20 | Repo | - Fixed bug if a class got deleted from graph view still trying to retrieve that classes color. |
| 13:40.23 | Repo | - Added legacy handling for guardians, which should prevent mostly DK guardian bugs of people still having old data around after updating Recount. |
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| 13:42.23 | Stanzilla | Fisker-: I'm going to install 7048 later today.. already had it on another pc, it's really smooth |
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| 13:42.58 | Stanzilla | and it's not RC branch, it's still winmain (=trunk) |
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| 13:43.22 | sb|work | hm, i will wait for RC |
| 13:44.15 | Stanzilla | rc = this month |
| 13:44.28 | sb|work | see, thats why i will wait :p |
| 13:44.33 | nevcairiel | wasnt RC moved to april? |
| 13:44.35 | sb|work | dont wanna crash my beta on my desktop ;) |
| 13:44.47 | Stanzilla | end of march/start of april, yes |
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| 13:45.36 | nevcairiel | 10th of april |
| 13:45.40 | sb|work | uhah, they want to to keep 'giga' alive :/ |
| 13:45.43 | sb|work | *sigh* |
| 13:47.23 | Stanzilla | giga is the only channel without teletext here, so I use it to get my tv screen black when I want to sleep and can't find the other remote :( |
| 13:50.10 | sb|work | lol |
| 13:50.42 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:59.36 | Wobin | ... those weird finns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmpnA6BDG_s |
| 14:02.08 | Fisker- | so nevcairiel you using the php indexer? |
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| 14:06.50 | Stanzilla | hrm |
| 14:06.55 | Stanzilla | the new mac mini is kinda cool :O |
| 14:07.06 | Fisker- | ITS A MAC |
| 14:07.09 | Fisker- | RRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH |
| 14:07.12 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 14:07.14 | Fisker- | rages |
| 14:07.19 | Megalon | rapes |
| 14:07.57 | Stanzilla | haha, the new mac pro "Two 2.26GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon "Nehalem" processors" |
| 14:08.14 | Fisker- | why so haha? |
| 14:08.22 | Stanzilla | want :( |
| 14:08.31 | Fisker- | you forgot do not in front |
| 14:08.44 | Fisker- | highfives all the successful trolls, oh wait... |
| 14:08.45 | Arrowmaster | intel released new processors? |
| 14:08.52 | Stanzilla | I forgot $3,299.00 start price |
| 14:08.58 | Fisker- | nehalem is ooooooold |
| 14:09.03 | Arrowmaster | if not theres no such thing as a xeon nehalem |
| 14:10.06 | Stanzilla | http://store.apple.com/us/learnmore/MB535LL/A?group=mac_pro_processor_8_core |
| 14:10.09 | nevcairiel | There are |
| 14:10.44 | nevcairiel | Intel launched Xeon CPUs with nehalem cores |
| 14:10.59 | Megalon | and even there were no such processors, why should marketing be concerned about it! |
| 14:12.06 | Stanzilla | Summary: $22,585.90 |
| 14:12.19 | Stanzilla | <,< |
| 14:12.34 | Industrial | :P |
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| 14:12.58 | Stanzilla | but hey, it has 32gb ram! |
| 14:12.59 | Fisker- | Stanzilla i can go pick up a 5 year old computer for 1/1000 of the price that's still better |
| 14:13.00 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 14:13.11 | sb|work | Fisker-: stop trolling :/ |
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| 14:15.04 | nevcairiel | he can't help it, its a pathologic disorder |
| 14:15.50 | Fisker- | no u |
| 14:15.51 | Fisker- | yet again |
| 14:16.33 | Megalon | nevcairiel: pathetic disorder you mean |
| 14:16.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 14:24.51 | steev | well, we got to p2 in eoe, so, i guess thats good |
| 14:25.14 | nevcairiel | killing is good |
| 14:25.48 | steev | nevcairiel: i agree, but we are making progress - it was our first time in there |
| 14:26.12 | steev | wundernub powers activated... "tank got out of range of heals" - running frost resist aura |
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| 14:50.21 | steev | markets be rising, wonder whats up |
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| 15:03.17 | Kaelten | I'm looking for someone who's suffering from the failed logins in the client |
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| 15:06.43 | Repo | 10libsink-2-0: 03Nevcairiel * r60 LibSink-2.0/LibSink-2.0.lua: Fix embed upgrading in LibSink-2.0 for any future versions |
| 15:08.51 | Stanzilla | yay |
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| 15:09.25 | nevcairiel | its not that much of a real fix |
| 15:09.33 | nevcairiel | it still won't upgrade from previous versions |
| 15:09.40 | nevcairiel | just work in the future from now on |
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| 15:10.08 | nevcairiel | but sadly, its unfixable, as vhaarr never tracked where he embeded in. |
| 15:13.16 | steev | anyone used skada damage meter? |
| 15:13.30 | Zarnivoop | yes, I've tried it, looks ok |
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| 15:13.57 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:14.00 | steev | i can't seem to get it to show overall |
| 15:14.06 | steev | only current/previous fights |
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| 15:14.47 | Zarnivoop | steev: if you click on total, it shows nothing? |
| 15:14.59 | steev | Zarnivoop: i can't get it to show a window called total |
| 15:15.22 | Zarnivoop | steev: if you right-click a few times, do you see the list of segments, and there is no "Total" there? |
| 15:15.44 | steev | Zarnivoop: ill have to try in a bit - don't have it accessible, this was from last night (at home) |
| 15:16.11 | steev | if i could get the freaking patch to apply |
| 15:16.52 | Zarnivoop | PTR? |
| 15:17.08 | steev | no, normal |
| 15:17.17 | steev | trying to install it on my windows box here at work |
| 15:17.21 | steev | which has windows 7 on it |
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| 15:17.30 | Zarnivoop | playing WoW at work, cheeky |
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| 15:17.47 | steev | the 3.0.3 -> 3.0.8 patch just keeps saying checking files, or waiting for files to close |
| 15:17.49 | Repo | 10prescription: 03Starinnia * r103 Prescription.lua: poke with stick to update deDE locale, thanks Farook |
| 15:18.12 | Kaelten | Anyone having the client login issue? |
| 15:19.09 | Hirsute | Kaelten: Not I. Haven't in ages (assuming you mean CC) |
| 15:19.17 | Kaelten | yeah |
| 15:19.33 | Kaelten | last update introduced a new one |
| 15:19.39 | Kaelten | need someone to help us debug |
| 15:19.54 | nevcairiel | I bet they just produce new bugs for you to keep you from releasing it |
| 15:20.04 | nevcairiel | SS or it didnt happen! |
| 15:20.06 | ramoz | i can log in fine |
| 15:20.19 | Kaelten | no, the code is brittle, so when fixing some things other things break. But the brittleness is getting better |
| 15:20.22 | Hirsute | Ah, there's an update. Let me apply it and see. |
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| 15:20.43 | ckknight | Koala bears are awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYvZh-Vcrb0 |
| 15:20.59 | nevcairiel | oh hey ckknight, i got a 500 today when i tried to force a documenter run for Ace3 |
| 15:21.06 | ckknight | yea, saw it |
| 15:21.11 | ckknight | will fix when I get to work |
| 15:22.32 | steev | ah crap |
| 15:22.38 | Hirsute | Kaelten: No login issues for me. It's still trying to escalate when it doesn't need to, however. |
| 15:22.40 | omega | Kaelten: well, dunno if I can login, but the update broke my curse client under linux :p now it wont start at all |
| 15:22.42 | steev | cc uses elevated priveleges in W7 |
| 15:22.55 | Kaelten | omega: :( |
| 15:23.06 | Kaelten | Hirsute: hrm, that should be getting better |
| 15:23.07 | steev | er |
| 15:23.15 | Belazor | think you fixed the resize bug, it seems to be not doing it for me now |
| 15:23.22 | steev | Kaelten: uh, &Client &Configuration ? |
| 15:23.41 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:23.46 | Hirsute | Still works if I don't allow it to escalate, still asks for it (and gives me the "Appears you're not running as admin" prompt every time), but works just fine without escalation. |
| 15:23.47 | nevcairiel | two C's marked, no good |
| 15:23.54 | Kaelten | Hirsute: it is? That should be fixed? |
| 15:23.56 | omega | Kaelten: would you happen to know what "correct paramters" for Updater.exe are? |
| 15:24.06 | Kaelten | omega: nope |
| 15:24.38 | Hirsute | Kaelten: Not fixed here. I'll double check permissions to make sure nothing looks tweaked. |
| 15:24.39 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: rename the "Client" main menu entry to something that doesnt start with C so ALT+C does something useful :D |
| 15:24.55 | nevcairiel | or move the shortcut something thats not C :) |
| 15:25.01 | nevcairiel | *to something |
| 15:25.29 | Kaelten | steev: cute, |
| 15:25.36 | Kaelten | Belazor: yeah that should be |
| 15:25.58 | Kaelten | omega: if updating is broken try http://media.curse.com/CurseClient/2.1.2.5/CurseSetup-2.1.2.5.exe |
| 15:26.08 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: yeah |
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| 15:28.07 | omega | Kaelten: seems to start now at least :) |
| 15:28.24 | Repo | 10avion2: 03CommanderSirow * r12 / (8 files in 8 directories): - Small bugfix to aggro module |
| 15:28.27 | Repo | - Reworked combo-points event handling |
| 15:28.30 | nevcairiel | updating has always been an issue on linux |
| 15:28.30 | Repo | - Updated some locale to be more consistent |
| 15:28.33 | Repo | - Finished DK module |
| 15:28.40 | nevcairiel | i recommend un-ticking the auto-update :) |
| 15:29.44 | stolenlegacy | Guys, I just checked the warlock talent calc on mmochampion, and i'm wondering |
| 15:30.02 | stolenlegacy | rank 1 of fel synergy says "You have a 50% chance of healing your pet for 50% of the damage you do" |
| 15:30.05 | Zarnivoop | drools over the new Macs |
| 15:30.18 | stolenlegacy | rank 2 says "You have a 100% chance of healing your pet for 30% of the damage you do" |
| 15:30.24 | stolenlegacy | is that a typo? oO |
| 15:30.42 | nevcairiel | 50%*50% = 25%, 100%*30% = 30% ? :) |
| 15:30.46 | nevcairiel | its actually an increase |
| 15:30.58 | nevcairiel | dunno if its right |
| 15:31.32 | stolenlegacy | yeah, but I wouldn't take rank 2 if it's only a 25% increase |
| 15:31.39 | krka | rank 3 is probably 150% chance of healing for 10% |
| 15:32.03 | krka | 25% to 30% is actually a 20% increase |
| 15:32.10 | stolenlegacy | currently i'm looking at this: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warlock=215000223122301105000000000020320030110000000000000000050033015203301300000000000&glyph=081406010406&version=9626 |
| 15:32.50 | stolenlegacy | pvp build |
| 15:33.19 | stolenlegacy | krka: i meant the increase in % of my damage, not the relative increase |
| 15:33.45 | nevcairiel | did you check the official calculator? |
| 15:33.49 | nevcairiel | that one is for 3.1, iirc |
| 15:34.09 | stolenlegacy | i'm talking about 3.1 here |
| 15:34.13 | krka | stolenlegacy: if so, you should have written 5% incrase |
| 15:34.15 | krka | *increase |
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| 15:34.27 | stolenlegacy | krka: ah |
| 15:34.32 | stolenlegacy | typo |
| 15:34.35 | stolenlegacy | :) |
| 15:34.47 | nevcairiel | it doubled the chance too |
| 15:34.54 | nevcairiel | you can't just ignore that |
| 15:34.55 | nevcairiel | :) |
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| 15:37.19 | stolenlegacy | yeah, but only heals for 60% of rank 1 |
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| 15:37.33 | stolenlegacy | in total, a relative increase of 20%, as krka stated correctly |
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| 15:38.01 | stolenlegacy | even though, there aren't any other alternatives in demonology, really |
| 15:38.12 | stolenlegacy | so this discussion is basically pointless |
| 15:38.18 | stolenlegacy | since i need the points to advance to tier 3 |
| 15:38.45 | stolenlegacy | except for imp health funnel |
| 15:38.53 | stolenlegacy | which is pretty useless when i spec fel synergy |
| 15:38.54 | Repo | 10recountfailbot: 03Elsia * r2 / (13 files in 2 directories): - Initial commit. |
| 15:38.57 | Repo | - This is a FailBot module for Recount based on LibFail-1.0. |
| 15:39.00 | Repo | - Completely untested (except for loggin in without errors). I failed to have a chance to fail yet :P |
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| 15:39.53 | stolenlegacy | ~seen Elsia |
| 15:40.01 | purl | elsia <i=elsiarow@p57A246BC.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 14h 17m 46s ago, saying: 'nite guys'. |
| 15:40.22 | stolenlegacy | ah, i already thought we didn't have purl anymoer |
| 15:40.26 | stolenlegacy | s/anymoer/anymore/ |
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| 15:42.30 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: feel like being a dick today? :) |
| 15:42.46 | Elkano | isn't tthat his usual feeling? ;) |
| 15:42.53 | AckisWork | true |
| 15:43.30 | AckisWork | Elkano: I had a comment from my gf on EBB yesterday |
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| 15:43.30 | AckisWork | "you mean they don't dock with button bin? that sucks" :) |
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| 15:44.04 | Elkano | FuBar2Broker ^^ |
| 15:44.16 | AckisWork | she wanted the actual buff displays to be there |
| 15:44.34 | AckisWork | i thought it was a half cool idea if you could pull it off somehow |
| 15:46.56 | ckknight | nevcairiel: okay, fixed the add repo to documenter issue, and added ace3, worked fine |
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| 15:50.35 | stolenlegacy | any of the ptr guys can tell me what's 3.1 's interface number? |
| 15:50.55 | AckisWork | 31000 |
| 15:50.58 | stolenlegacy | thanks |
| 15:51.19 | stolenlegacy | still using 30000, since i'm too lazy to check usually |
| 15:51.54 | sacarasc | pokes AckisWork. |
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| 15:52.19 | sacarasc | Why does ARL often have the wrong zone for NPCs (though the right coordinates)? |
| 15:52.54 | Seerah | stolenlegacy / AckisWork: should be 30100 |
| 15:53.24 | stolenlegacy | erm, 3.0.9 has 30900, correct? |
| 15:53.27 | stolenlegacy | or is it 30090 |
| 15:53.30 | nevcairiel | no |
| 15:53.32 | nevcairiel | its 30000 |
| 15:53.38 | nevcairiel | not every patch changes the toc |
| 15:53.44 | Seerah | minor updates don't change toc |
| 15:53.46 | nevcairiel | only major changes do that |
| 15:53.50 | nevcairiel | like, 3.1 has 30100 |
| 15:53.53 | stolenlegacy | oh okay |
| 15:53.56 | nevcairiel | but all 3.0.x have 30000 |
| 15:54.14 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: 30100 or 31000? |
| 15:54.19 | Seerah | 30100 :P |
| 15:54.21 | stolenlegacy | so that's why i didn't get any tickets from people who don't have load outofdate enabled |
| 15:54.35 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: why do you question me? |
| 15:54.38 | Seerah | just like how it was 10300, 20100, 20400 etc :P |
| 15:54.52 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: because imma dumbass |
| 15:55.11 | nevcairiel | Didn't have have some other numbering system before 2.0? |
| 15:55.20 | Seerah | I don't remember :D |
| 15:55.22 | nevcairiel | s/have/they/ |
| 15:55.33 | stolenlegacy | i guess i get it |
| 15:55.51 | stolenlegacy | so patch x.y.z has ui number xyyzz (if there was an toc push in the patch) |
| 15:55.53 | stolenlegacy | correct? |
| 15:56.05 | Seerah | yes |
| 15:56.09 | Hirsute | Kaelten: Also, it isn't a big deal, but CC always thinks that some of my addons are out of date, even when it can't tell me which ones, just FYI. |
| 15:56.10 | stolenlegacy | like 4.13.22 would have 41322, in theory |
| 15:56.17 | nevcairiel | we haven't seen any minor patch change the toc yet |
| 15:56.24 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 15:56.36 | stolenlegacy | but it seems they keep the space clear incase they change it |
| 15:56.40 | nevcairiel | You can just check the framexml of the blizzard addons |
| 15:56.42 | nevcairiel | and see their toc |
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| 15:56.59 | nevcairiel | ~framexml |
| 15:57.00 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 15:57.28 | nevcairiel | ah wowcompares lists the version string on the index too |
| 15:57.53 | nevcairiel | there it is, 1.9 introduced the current numbering system |
| 15:57.58 | nevcairiel | before it was 1800 for 1.8 |
| 15:58.05 | thul | 1800mm 1.8?! |
| 15:58.06 | thul | wtf |
| 15:59.41 | Seerah | sounds right |
| 15:59.42 | nevcairiel | wtb new PTR build, btw |
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| 16:01.24 | Pneumatus | Hirsute: do you have any working directories listed in your "Your Addons" section? |
| 16:01.38 | Pneumatus | they were the cause of my constant "some of your addons are out of date" |
| 16:01.56 | Hirsute | I do have one working copy. I have it set to be ignored, however. |
| 16:02.02 | renchap | a |
| 16:02.03 | Hirsute | It's possible that is the reason. |
| 16:02.17 | Pneumatus | i moved my working dir folder out, refreshed then moved it back in |
| 16:02.18 | Hirsute | Pneumatus: ^^^^ Thanks for the thought. |
| 16:02.26 | Pneumatus | which caused it to go into unknown, but no longer complains :P |
| 16:02.37 | Hirsute | Good to know. |
| 16:03.19 | Pneumatus | working copies versions should be completely ignored, but it seems at present they arent, and if you had a non-working-copy installed at some point the CC gets confused |
| 16:04.05 | nevcairiel | I still think any WC issues can be marked as "minor", seeing as maybe 0.1% of the CC users will ever use a WC |
| 16:04.46 | AckisWork | WC? |
| 16:04.48 | Zarnivoop | a bathroom? |
| 16:04.57 | nevcairiel | I was wondering when someone would pick up on that |
| 16:05.11 | nevcairiel | WC = Working Copy, i am lazy ok? |
| 16:05.16 | AckisWork | bleh |
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| 16:12.12 | steev | woot, im up to 86 respecs |
| 16:12.19 | stolenlegacy | ~seen Kaelten |
| 16:12.26 | purl | kaelten is currently on #waruidev #wowprogramming #norganna #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 36 messages. Is idling for 46m 18s, last said: 'nevcairiel: yeah'. |
| 16:12.26 | steev | getting closer to the goal of 5k spent on respecs |
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| 16:12.26 | Kaelten | :P |
| 16:12.48 | Kaelten | stolenlegacy: sup |
| 16:12.51 | fauxpas``` | vhaarr? you there? |
| 16:13.02 | stolenlegacy | Kaelten: in wotlk, blizz has added an option for badges and stuff like that to be displayed in your bags |
| 16:13.12 | stolenlegacy | a checkbox in the currency tab |
| 16:13.15 | steev | in good news, a friend gave me a shitton of glyphs to help with when I respec, if only there were a lexicon in Acheron Hold (however its spelled) |
| 16:13.28 | stolenlegacy | any chance of you updating onebag to display those? |
| 16:13.32 | Kaelten | yeah, I'll look at adding support in onebag sooner or later |
| 16:13.41 | stolenlegacy | okay, great |
| 16:13.55 | steev | stolenlegacy: heh, i never considered that onebag didn't have the support, i just figured it wasn't working |
| 16:14.15 | nevcairiel | i never really felt the need to track one of the currencys |
| 16:14.30 | steev | im trying to track my shards |
| 16:14.37 | fauxpas``` | i have modified the ouf_ammo layout a little and i want it to show the debuffs below the buffs but the only thing i got to work was giving it a fixed position .. which sucks because when there are a lot of buffs on the target they begin to overlap as in this screenie here: http://www.abload.de/img/wowscrnshot_030109_230yo5t.jpg |
| 16:14.40 | stolenlegacy | Kaelten: when you're at it, why not just add an option to onebag to display token xyz |
| 16:14.43 | steev | or whatever those are- the ones you get from boss downs |
| 16:14.44 | fauxpas``` | and this was the code that was used initially: http://lua.nopaste.dk/p744 |
| 16:14.56 | stolenlegacy | like a list where you can check which ones you want to show |
| 16:15.05 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: it's useful on my pvp toon |
| 16:15.11 | fauxpas``` | vhaarr told me to use setpoint for the debuffs and "attach" it to the buffs frame |
| 16:15.13 | stolenlegacy | since i use the token turn-in for honor |
| 16:15.32 | steev | fauxpas```: the real question is - why are people dying in sarth? |
| 16:15.34 | stolenlegacy | other than that i don't really use it either |
| 16:15.35 | fauxpas``` | problem is: it works for the first "positioning" but when there are more buffs they overlap again :/ |
| 16:15.52 | fauxpas``` | because people were stupid and we need 30 (!) tries for s3d |
| 16:15.57 | steev | er |
| 16:15.58 | fauxpas``` | needed* |
| 16:15.59 | steev | 30!? |
| 16:16.08 | fauxpas``` | i think so, yeah |
| 16:16.14 | stolenlegacy | fauxpas```: register on whatever event is fired when buffs are updated and reposition |
| 16:16.19 | steev | i feel bad for your tanks |
| 16:16.35 | stolenlegacy | steev: maybe they used unholy dks :) |
| 16:16.41 | fauxpas``` | stolenlegacy: that would be helpful if i knew lua and wow api stuff but i don't really ;) |
| 16:16.56 | steev | stolenlegacy: unless you explode you still lose durability |
| 16:16.57 | fauxpas``` | our add tank was dying all the time |
| 16:17.03 | fauxpas``` | he nearly got to 20 in failbot |
| 16:17.13 | stolenlegacy | steev: why shouldn't they explode? |
| 16:17.20 | steev | stolenlegacy: no - they SHOULD |
| 16:17.31 | fauxpas``` | afterwards he was complaining about how he couldnt see anything .. here is his interface: http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?file=01.03nup9hVe9zM5XQNq.jpg |
| 16:17.36 | steev | if they don't get the explode off, it takes durability |
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| 16:17.43 | fauxpas``` | that was quite a facepalm moment |
| 16:18.22 | steev | wtF? |
| 16:18.41 | stolenlegacy | fauxpas```: deDE? |
| 16:18.47 | fauxpas``` | yeah |
| 16:19.09 | stolenlegacy | his GetAddOnNum() would really be interesting |
| 16:19.20 | Fisker- | yeah that ad is really annoying fauxpas``` |
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| 16:19.57 | fauxpas``` | well, i would have used abload.de but he is stupid and didnt :P |
| 16:20.33 | Arrowmaster | he needs to learn about ui scale |
| 16:20.49 | stolenlegacy | fauxpas```: frag ihn, wie viele addons er hat :) |
| 16:20.56 | stolenlegacy | meins sagt 275 :D |
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| 16:21.26 | steev | fauxpas```: http://steev.net/files/screenshots/WoW/WoWScrnShot_020309_222600.jpg tell him to get a UI like that |
| 16:22.23 | steev | minus magicrunes and whatnot |
| 16:22.52 | fauxpas``` | yeah, we kinda flamed him and then helped him to improve it a bit ;) |
| 16:23.16 | stolenlegacy | steev: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/723/wowscrnshot030309172143.jpg |
| 16:23.17 | steev | lets see the "improved" version then :-P |
| 16:23.30 | fauxpas``` | next time we do s3d maybe ;) |
| 16:23.35 | do3mca | fauxpas: heh |
| 16:23.40 | steev | stolenlegacy: too many buttons |
| 16:23.46 | fauxpas``` | but we once had a healer whose ui was even better |
| 16:23.47 | fauxpas``` | http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5948/wowscrnshot101607202904qj9.jpg |
| 16:23.57 | stolenlegacy | steev: yeah, but i'm too lazy to clean up |
| 16:24.14 | do3mca | i dont find it that bad |
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| 16:24.25 | stolenlegacy | fauxpas```: that's wowquote, right? |
| 16:24.38 | fauxpas``` | ? |
| 16:24.50 | stolenlegacy | the chat spam |
| 16:24.55 | stolenlegacy | from that "Boo" guy |
| 16:25.21 | do3mca | the worst always are these minimap icons which usually stack and are not useful |
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| 16:25.43 | fauxpas``` | dunno to be honest, it was an addon many people in the guild had for a long time |
| 16:25.52 | stolenlegacy | yep, that IS wowquote :) |
| 16:25.54 | fauxpas``` | and someone in the guild made it (or changed it? no idea9 |
| 16:25.55 | stolenlegacy | it's quite annoying, actually |
| 16:25.58 | do3mca | the second-worst is that recount looks ugly and that NECB, EBB, Recount and omen might look similar and more clean |
| 16:26.24 | fauxpas``` | luckily noone uses it anymore ;) |
| 16:26.42 | steev | fauxpas```: this is my healer's ui ;) http://steev.net/files/screenshots/WoW/WoWScrnShot_082008_114749.jpg |
| 16:26.46 | fauxpas``` | i really like skada because it's similar to assessment |
| 16:27.12 | selckin | steev: where's grid? :p |
| 16:27.20 | steev | selckin: i wasn't in a raid when i took it :( |
| 16:27.37 | steev | but, its the same spot as in the other screenshot :-P |
| 16:27.55 | steev | its actually changed up a bit these days since he's now ele |
| 16:28.02 | steev | and yata is actually down where the rest of the buttons are |
| 16:28.20 | steev | since i cast a max of like 5 spells (not 80 yet) |
| 16:28.21 | fauxpas``` | but more important: 17:15:55 [stolenlegacy] fauxpas```: register on whatever event is fired when buffs are updated and reposition <- does that fall into the "it's so simple, i will do that for him"-category? :P |
| 16:28.28 | do3mca | http://krikkit.ukeer.de/wow.jpg |
| 16:28.31 | fauxpas``` | i hate yata :( |
| 16:28.36 | fauxpas``` | i mean, i use it |
| 16:28.39 | fauxpas``` | but numen was better |
| 16:28.45 | fauxpas``` | i miss numen :( |
| 16:28.59 | steev | yata is annoying because of the fact that it doesnt' base itself loading off class or some shit |
| 16:29.04 | steev | so it throws an error if you log in any character but a shaman |
| 16:29.16 | PProvost | Boo |
| 16:29.40 | steev | but other than that, i don't mind it |
| 16:29.52 | steev | the auto switch shit was annoying, but simple enough to untick the check box |
| 16:30.10 | fauxpas``` | numen was just so .. flexible |
| 16:30.36 | fauxpas``` | you could always change the default totems (which is really nice cause i have my totems bound to f g h and j) |
| 16:30.45 | SunTsu | do3mca: What are those coloured points over your micro menu bar for? |
| 16:30.48 | fauxpas``` | but you were still able to cast it without changing the default one |
| 16:31.25 | steev | fauxpas```: ah yeah, that was a nice feature |
| 16:31.34 | steev | i do hate the fact that it pops out |
| 16:31.40 | do3mca | SunTsu: ah. whats the commercial questhelper thingy |
| 16:31.42 | steev | in yata - the bar i mean wheneveryou hover |
| 16:32.06 | do3mca | i keep forgetting the name |
| 16:32.20 | fauxpas``` | carbonite? |
| 16:32.23 | do3mca | yeah |
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| 16:32.40 | do3mca | SunTsu: its the minimized quest tracking window of carbonite |
| 16:32.56 | do3mca | the colored dots switch on/off some options for crb |
| 16:33.01 | SunTsu | do3mca: Ah, OK, was just curious, thought it might be a funky runes addon I don't know yet |
| 16:33.18 | do3mca | nah, iam quite happy with xperls rune display |
| 16:38.55 | stolenlegacy | is that ust my imagination, or does horde have less time in SoA than ally? |
| 16:38.58 | stolenlegacy | s/ust/just/ |
| 16:39.33 | nevcairiel | Horde currently always has the second round |
| 16:39.39 | nevcairiel | so they have to beat the time the ally gave them |
| 16:40.12 | stolenlegacy | well, it isn't really the only disadvantage for horde |
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| 16:40.23 | stolenlegacy | i guess we all agree that SoA very much favors offense |
| 16:40.39 | nevcairiel | Its only a disadvantage if you are about winning fast |
| 16:40.45 | nevcairiel | its not a disadvantage otherwise |
| 16:40.56 | nevcairiel | Both teams have one offense and one defense |
| 16:41.00 | stolenlegacy | so alliance has ~5 minutes till they need a full team for defense |
| 16:41.06 | stolenlegacy | tons of time for people to join |
| 16:41.21 | stolenlegacy | horde has to defend after a very short time span, most of the time completely undermanned |
| 16:41.33 | steev | stolenlegacy: not on Draka |
| 16:41.34 | stolenlegacy | that way ally has an easy time rushing the fight |
| 16:41.36 | nevcairiel | Thats not a problem in the design of the BG |
| 16:41.37 | steev | (US) |
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| 16:41.41 | nevcairiel | thats your battlegroup =P |
| 16:41.56 | steev | 99.999% of the time, there are only 7-9 ally |
| 16:42.03 | steev | and full 15 horde |
| 16:42.12 | stolenlegacy | on azshara (eu), ally/horde are matched |
| 16:42.13 | nevcairiel | On my realm we're full on both sides usually |
| 16:42.17 | stolenlegacy | around 8-9 people |
| 16:42.22 | stolenlegacy | on both sides |
| 16:42.32 | stolenlegacy | 2 of which are afk-ers |
| 16:42.39 | stolenlegacy | that leaves 6 defenders |
| 16:43.04 | nevcairiel | Thats still not a flaw in the design of SoA |
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| 16:43.30 | stolenlegacy | it still is an inbalance that they didn't implement a coin flip mechanic to decide which team starts first |
| 16:43.33 | nevcairiel | Didn't they lower the join time to 90s already, while warmup is still 2minutes? |
| 16:44.01 | nevcairiel | stolenlegacy: they did, but it caused bugs, and was disabled until it could be fixed |
| 16:45.44 | stolenlegacy | create 2 "battlegrounds", decide randomly which one to use when opening a new bg instance |
| 16:45.55 | stolenlegacy | one has ally start, one has horde start |
| 16:46.02 | stolenlegacy | i don't really see what's the problem here |
| 16:46.11 | nevcairiel | that sounds even more prone to error |
| 16:46.25 | ulic | and requires more resources |
| 16:47.11 | durcyn | or something trivial like, odd numbered battlegrounds alliance starts, even numbered horde starts. it doesn't have to be complicated. |
| 16:47.54 | steev | they have like 50k servers, they can handle it |
| 16:48.03 | nevcairiel | A simple coin toss isnt complicated either, but it was fun when it bugged in beta |
| 16:48.06 | nevcairiel | and disabled since |
| 16:48.10 | nevcairiel | weird stuff happend :D |
| 16:49.02 | steev | so, we are considering canceling all our raids until our guildies get their shit together |
| 16:49.03 | nevcairiel | steev: they also have 11 million players |
| 16:49.39 | steev | nevcairiel: not active at the same time |
| 16:50.07 | nevcairiel | Enough servers end up with a queue already |
| 16:50.07 | steev | if they were, there would never be a queue on a server :-P |
| 16:50.26 | nevcairiel | steev: sure, its not balanced between all servers |
| 16:50.28 | nevcairiel | some are empty |
| 16:50.31 | nevcairiel | some are too full |
| 16:50.44 | steev | when in doubt, throw more hardware at the problem :-P |
| 16:51.01 | nevcairiel | I doubt thats as easy as it sounds =) |
| 16:51.17 | steev | im sure it is |
| 16:51.24 | steev | er - not easy i mean |
| 16:52.43 | stolenlegacy | do you know how they win? |
| 16:53.34 | stolenlegacy | they rush gate 1, paladin picks explosive, bubblerun to gate 2, plants charge, consecrates - not possible to stop them from exploding |
| 16:53.41 | stolenlegacy | rinse, repeat |
| 16:54.05 | nevcairiel | get a priest |
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| 16:54.08 | nevcairiel | bubble problem solved |
| 16:54.39 | nevcairiel | also, horde has paladins now too |
| 16:54.48 | Stanzilla | srsly? |
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| 16:54.57 | nevcairiel | i heard rumors |
| 16:55.32 | steev | stolenlegacy: if it helps any, i play on ally side... and i've gotten 12 victories in soa... out of 28 |
| 16:56.00 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: not a single priest in 15 people |
| 16:56.21 | stolenlegacy | and 1 paladin |
| 16:56.32 | nevcairiel | thats not our problem now, is it :) |
| 16:56.34 | steev | stolenlegacy: we get that a lot |
| 16:57.00 | steev | i've been in wsg's where we've gone up against a horde team made up of 3 shaman, 2 druids, 2 pallies, 2 priests, 1 rogue |
| 16:57.45 | steev | and our team was made up of.... 4 dks... 3 hunters, 2 rogues, 1 warrior |
| 16:58.03 | stolenlegacy | very....fair match |
| 16:58.19 | steev | i wanted to stab my eyes out |
| 16:58.29 | steev | people screaming KILL THE HEALER |
| 16:58.30 | stolenlegacy | i'm currently in an soa |
| 16:58.32 | nevcairiel | Aren't DKs supposed to be OP? |
| 16:58.34 | steev | im like dude, they are all fucking healers |
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| 16:58.47 | steev | nevcairiel: when 9 out of 10 toons can heal... no, not op |
| 16:58.59 | stolenlegacy | and we actually won oO |
| 16:59.15 | steev | stolenlegacy: stop leeching honor and play! |
| 16:59.27 | stolenlegacy | im waiting for rezzes most of the time |
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| 16:59.43 | stolenlegacy | 2 ret pallys on a single lock ARE too much, you know? |
| 17:00.11 | durcyn | good thing it's a multiplayer game. |
| 17:00.23 | stolenlegacy | when they are camping the graveyard? |
| 17:00.24 | nevcairiel | Yeah, get a third pally next time |
| 17:01.01 | nevcairiel | 2, shh, pathetic! |
| 17:01.01 | stolenlegacy | i'm geared in the crafted tailoring blues, in case you didn't know |
| 17:01.03 | stolenlegacy | otherwise i wouldn't be in bgs, i would be doing arena |
| 17:01.18 | nevcairiel | You know, arena has ret pallys too %) |
| 17:01.20 | steev | stolenlegacy: HOWL OF TERRORIST |
| 17:01.37 | stolenlegacy | steev: not talented |
| 17:01.47 | steev | stolenlegacy: wtf are you doing in the bg then |
| 17:01.48 | stolenlegacy | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Azshara&n=Stolenlegacy |
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| 17:02.03 | durcyn | so you're going out of your way to make it hard for yourself, then complaining when it's successful |
| 17:02.08 | durcyn | do keep talking. |
| 17:02.11 | nevcairiel | But meh, only time i ever do pvp is for silly world event achievements, or in a full guild group without random morons |
| 17:02.23 | steev | i refuse to do achievements |
| 17:02.50 | steev | and achievements piss me the fuck off |
| 17:02.51 | stolenlegacy | steev: i'm running with a 25/17/29 hybrid build |
| 17:02.51 | sacarasc | pats stolenlegacy. |
| 17:03.00 | nevcairiel | children week has some icky pvp achievements in it, not looking forward to those =( |
| 17:03.02 | steev | stolenlegacy: i've never played a warlock past level 20, i don't know what kinda build that is/does/means |
| 17:03.12 | steev | i don't actually *mind* the achievements |
| 17:03.14 | stolenlegacy | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Azshara&n=Stolenlegacy |
| 17:03.19 | steev | but they are so damn retarded |
| 17:03.34 | steev | and we have people in our guild who focus on them.... rather than focusing on getting their gears up to snuff |
| 17:04.11 | steev | Total Completed: 267 / 749 |
| 17:04.13 | steev | thats mine |
| 17:04.29 | steev | Total Completed: 401 / 749 |
| 17:04.41 | stolenlegacy | i take SL in demo, CoEx and Siphon Life in Affliction, and Nether Prot in Destro |
| 17:04.43 | durcyn | you can do both, steev, without bursting a blood vessel. |
| 17:04.43 | steev | thats our tank who is *still not fucking uncrittable* |
| 17:05.15 | nevcairiel | Just go naxx10 more, being crit once or twice doesnt kill you there <.< |
| 17:05.32 | steev | nevcairiel: im tired of naxx 10 |
| 17:05.47 | steev | all my upgrades come from 25+ |
| 17:05.55 | steev | because i didn't waste time fucking doing achievements |
| 17:06.26 | nevcairiel | So go naxx25 more? |
| 17:06.40 | AKX | Hrm. Was there somewhere a list of WoW APIs, like.. by version number? |
| 17:06.44 | steev | i plan to |
| 17:07.25 | AKX | AKX: http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 17:07.26 | AKX | Thanks, AKX! |
| 17:07.43 | nevcairiel | I'm bored with naxx as a whole, i wish we could just get immortal done, and i wouldnt have to go there anymore |
| 17:08.08 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: i wish my friggin spirit trinket dropped from sartharion 10, so i could stop going THERE |
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| 17:11.23 | fauxpas``` | nevcairiel: ! |
| 17:11.34 | fauxpas``` | although i need patchwerk in 3minutes as well :o |
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| 17:12.19 | sacarasc | I have many achievements in Naxx still to go. (I only got heroic: fall of Naxxramas yesterday). |
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| 17:14.02 | nevcairiel | I need Shocking as well on heroic |
| 17:14.12 | nevcairiel | but i guess that might come when we get immortal done =P |
| 17:14.14 | fauxpas``` | luckily we got that |
| 17:14.17 | fauxpas``` | heh |
| 17:14.24 | fauxpas``` | last week a druid died on sapphiron |
| 17:14.36 | nevcairiel | we usually mess up on thaddius |
| 17:14.37 | fauxpas``` | lag + iceblock = fail |
| 17:14.47 | fauxpas``` | but still |
| 17:14.48 | nevcairiel | and then the raid degrades due to already destroyed id |
| 17:14.55 | fauxpas``` | kelthuzad is the biggest danger |
| 17:14.56 | sacarasc | I don't get how people can mess up on Thadd. It's really, really easy. |
| 17:15.07 | nevcairiel | sacarasc: yeah i dunno |
| 17:15.11 | nevcairiel | some people are just fail |
| 17:15.44 | nevcairiel | well ok, last week thaddius lagged on us |
| 17:15.44 | fauxpas``` | on kel there is just so much that can go wrong |
| 17:15.55 | nevcairiel | half the raid died on one polarity change |
| 17:16.04 | Groktar | nevcairiel: if you ever get immortal done i'd just wipe thaddius until you think you've got shocking |
| 17:16.44 | Stanzilla | you can watch friendly fire in recount to make sure |
| 17:18.19 | nevcairiel | yeah we do that |
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| 17:18.56 | durcyn | it's also worth noting that four horsement deaths don't count against undying/immortal |
| 17:19.02 | durcyn | -t |
| 17:19.07 | Groktar | i'm glad i don't care about achievements |
| 17:19.14 | nevcairiel | it doesnt? |
| 17:19.28 | nevcairiel | oh well, not like people die there |
| 17:19.31 | durcyn | no, doesn't. not for 8/20-man either. |
| 17:19.33 | nevcairiel | we usually mess up earlier |
| 17:19.44 | nevcairiel | Yeah i've seen that it wasnt in the 8/20 achievement |
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| 17:22.03 | BWMerlin | http://www.slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosities/whyyoushouldntsnag.htm |
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| 17:24.16 | fauxpas``` | stolenlegacy, still there? |
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| 17:25.33 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.curseforge.com/repositories/convert-svn-to-git/ by anmoch |
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| 17:32.45 | PProvost | Anyone know of an alternative to autobar that doesn't take >6MB? :S |
| 17:35.46 | fauxpas``` | [stolenlegacy] fauxpas```: register on whatever event is fired when buffs are updated and reposition <- does that fall into the "it's so simple, i coud do that for him"-category? :P |
| 17:36.59 | fauxpas``` | oh, wait, i probably have someone who's doing it for me :D |
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| 17:52.11 | Fisker- | PProvost onebag |
| 17:52.12 | Fisker- | hohoho |
| 17:52.21 | PProvost | lol |
| 17:52.35 | stolenlegacy | fauxpas```: yes |
| 17:52.47 | PProvost | Combuctor works very well for me, but I got addicted to those nice little autobuttons. :) |
| 17:53.05 | Groktar | pounces Fisker- and bites off his ear |
| 17:53.07 | Groktar | OM NOM NOM |
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| 18:02.13 | Industrial | Fisker-: make it stop |
| 18:02.24 | Industrial | I can hardly feel my face Fisker- |
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| 18:05.30 | Tuller | danger, I didn't get a ping when you said combuctor! |
| 18:05.51 | Tuller | fixed! |
| 18:05.51 | nevcairiel | Tuller: stop crashing the poor ptr client! |
| 18:06.26 | Tuller | well I feel bad for blizzard |
| 18:06.33 | Tuller | since I sent in every crash report :P |
| 18:06.38 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:07.34 | Tuller | hrm, I have no timestamps either |
| 18:07.56 | nevcairiel | new client? |
| 18:08.07 | Tuller | negative |
| 18:08.22 | Tuller | checkbox enabled, hurray |
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| 18:09.56 | Tuller | PProvost: since I don't want to check the log, why are you leaving combuctor? :) |
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| 18:16.39 | PProvost | Tuller: Not leaving combuctor |
| 18:16.42 | PProvost | Love combuctor |
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| 18:16.47 | PProvost | Best bag mod IMHO |
| 18:16.52 | steev | @describe combuctor |
| 18:16.54 | PProvost | Leaving Autobar |
| 18:17.04 | Tuller | buffet? |
| 18:17.06 | Repo | steev: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/combuctor/. Combuctor. Combuctor is a bag replacement addon designed to help the player find things in his or her's inventory as quickly and as easily as possible. Included Addons Combuctor - The main addon. Provides a... |
| 18:17.09 | PProvost | Want something like it that doesn't use 6MB |
| 18:18.21 | Tuller | buffet! :P |
| 18:18.31 | PProvost | Let me look |
| 18:18.44 | PProvost | Is that the one that writes macros? |
| 18:18.50 | Tuller | yes |
| 18:18.56 | PProvost | I recall trying it before |
| 18:18.58 | PProvost | Need to look again |
| 18:19.21 | Tuller | the question is: what are you using autobar for? |
| 18:19.51 | PProvost | food, water, pots, elixirs, etc |
| 18:19.58 | PProvost | self-buffs |
| 18:20.20 | PProvost | I dumped it yesterday and did fine just dragging stuff onto my dominos bars |
| 18:20.34 | PProvost | But I miss the "auto update" when I get new/better/higherpri stuff |
| 18:20.44 | PProvost | Buffet is close as I recall |
| 18:20.55 | Tuller | the two things I use are buffet + squire at the moment |
| 18:21.04 | PProvost | I love squire |
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| 18:30.47 | PProvost | Need a BuffBuffet that does buff foods. And maybe one for elixirs/flasks. :) |
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| 18:31.07 | PProvost | Although I suppose that is a waste of bar space. |
| 18:31.10 | PProvost | hehe |
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| 18:43.51 | krka | you know what's really a waste of bar space? ugly girls and lesbians! |
| 18:44.17 | selckin | i say you |
| 18:44.37 | steev | krka: agreed |
| 18:44.40 | steev | well |
| 18:44.44 | steev | except the lesbians part |
| 18:44.52 | steev | lesbians can be hawt |
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| 18:46.56 | Arrowmaster | they make great porn |
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| 18:49.31 | PProvost | haha |
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| 19:05.33 | Stanzilla | ptr patch inc! |
| 19:05.41 | Fisker- | oooooooooold |
| 19:05.50 | Stanzilla | like your mum |
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| 19:12.41 | quiescens | heh |
| 19:12.48 | quiescens | they're considering a glyph vendor on the ptr |
| 19:12.59 | Fisker- | too slow |
| 19:13.33 | Repo | 10bettermagnet: 03copystring 040.2-beta1 * r9 : Tagging as 0.2-beta1 |
| 19:13.47 | Fisker- | I mean, it's not like it's been suggested the last SEVERAL YEARS that test be outfitted with npc's selling enchants, flasks, etc. to ease testing |
| 19:14.02 | Fisker- | Heck they even pretty much got the system up and running on the tournament realms |
| 19:14.20 | quiescens | I don't think they plan to offer enchants or that sort |
| 19:14.26 | Fisker- | But they should |
| 19:14.50 | quiescens | they didn't even want to do the glyph thing initially |
| 19:15.09 | quiescens | but I think they were swayed on glyphs because even the new glyphs could only be discovered |
| 19:15.10 | Fisker- | They've never said that to my knowledge |
| 19:15.48 | Fisker- | Before the PTR started they even said they would look into getting said vendors up and running |
| 19:16.24 | Fisker- | In any case, vendors should be there, anything else is just stupid |
| 19:18.01 | quiescens | shrugs |
| 19:18.40 | quiescens | things like http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443524431&postId=154418147095&sid=1#1 ? |
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| 19:21.24 | Fisker- | Not planned isn't "Don't want to for <x> reason" |
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| 19:21.29 | quiescens | they said they would be providing vendors for potions/flasks and a special tabard designed to give people ulduar level stats in order to test hard mode |
| 19:21.51 | wallen | "On a side note, we're working to get a test glyph vendor created. It won't be ready for the next build to hit PTR, but we'll have it later." |
| 19:21.52 | quiescens | I didn't mention a specific reason |
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| 19:22.13 | wallen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443447912&pageNo=1#0 |
| 19:22.17 | quiescens | I said they probably changed their mind on not having one because people were complaining it required random discoveries |
| 19:22.19 | Fisker- | My point is "Not planned" isn't "Don't want to" |
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| 19:23.10 | quiescens | well okay, I can say they obviously didn't say they would look into getting the glyph vendor up and running before the ptr |
| 19:23.12 | Fisker- | Anyways before the PTR started there were a post on the EU forums asking if in addition to McWeaksauce also would be vendors for glyphs and enchants |
| 19:23.47 | Fisker- | And the blue post something along the lines of "Hope so, but don't know for sure" |
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| 19:24.08 | Fisker- | But it looks like they wiped the posts just before the PTR stsarted again |
| 19:24.37 | Fisker- | http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/118/ghostcrawlernerfsdruids.gif |
| 19:24.38 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 19:25.29 | quiescens | wallen: we know about that, that's the reason for the discussion on whether they were initially planning to have it or not |
| 19:26.01 | Fisker- | That wasn't actually my point :P |
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| 19:26.33 | Fisker- | I just meant they had no "Omg we won't do glyph vendors because it's overpowered, against design, etc." and the only reason why is actually just some kind of laziness or similar |
| 19:27.03 | quiescens | I never said there was a good reason or that they had a reason |
| 19:27.37 | Fisker- | Well then we're arguing about nothing :P |
| 19:28.05 | quiescens | I said that the fact that the new glyphs would require discoveries probably contributed their reasons for actually doing it |
| 19:29.27 | Fisker- | Well you're probably right there |
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| 19:30.49 | quiescens | instead of "they didn't even want to do the glyph thing initially", I could have been clearer by saying they initially did not plan to do it |
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| 19:51.02 | Dotted | slaps nevcairiel |
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| 20:16.20 | RaydenU | i don't see how WG is supposed to be weighted towards offence |
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| 20:16.29 | RaydenU | there are so many guys running around on the inside |
| 20:16.32 | RaydenU | too many to kill |
| 20:17.32 | Shefki | Because it only takes one person clicking on the orb to end it all. |
| 20:17.38 | durcyn | because the defense's objectives are on the ass end of the map |
| 20:17.40 | Megalon | well, then play a few and tell us how often you win as defence :p |
| 20:17.57 | Shefki | And what durcyn said. |
| 20:18.09 | RaydenU | i never get to play defense as we never win |
| 20:18.53 | durcyn | sounds more like overwhelming numbers on your server then, rayden |
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| 20:19.01 | durcyn | or your faction is just full of terribles. |
| 20:19.01 | RaydenU | yay they won |
| 20:19.06 | RaydenU | ratio is 2:1 |
| 20:19.11 | RaydenU | but yeah, i think horde sucks on mys erver |
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| 20:19.19 | RaydenU | today tenacity was only at 2 stacks though |
| 20:19.53 | RaydenU | wish i'd been keeping track of wins/losses |
| 20:19.56 | stolenlegacy | On our server horde loses once there are MORE THAN 2 full horde raids defending |
| 20:20.11 | RaydenU | huh? |
| 20:20.13 | RaydenU | why? |
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| 20:20.34 | stolenlegacy | because then it starts to lag soo much that the alliance just drives to the wall and breaks it |
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| 20:20.55 | stolenlegacy | and when the horde sees that they are coming (lag) they already are through |
| 20:21.05 | NeoTron | are there any other addons than XLootMaster that hook into the master looting process? |
| 20:21.27 | RaydenU | having your vehicle destroyed as a feral druid sucks |
| 20:21.33 | RaydenU | i want to immediately switch to bear, but i can't |
| 20:21.36 | NeoTron | RaydenU: fur gets stuck? |
| 20:21.37 | RaydenU | and by the time i am, i'm dead |
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| 20:22.32 | RaydenU | i just wish i won once every 4 or 5 games |
| 20:22.35 | RaydenU | i never win any |
| 20:22.57 | RaydenU | i've gained 70,000 honor from WG |
| 20:22.58 | RaydenU | and 24 marks |
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| 20:23.42 | AckisWork | last night i had 4 full raids attacking and 2 or 3 defending |
| 20:23.45 | AckisWork | it was fun |
| 20:23.48 | AckisWork | and laggy a bit |
| 20:24.43 | stolenlegacy | AckisWork: well, azshara(eu) is well-known as being the most laggiest eu server |
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| 20:25.11 | RaydenU | is there somewhere i can find a list of honor gear to buy? |
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| 20:26.05 | Primer | Anyone here using auctioneer know how to turn off that ANNOYING bar that pops out? |
| 20:26.14 | Jackson_ | Neaves: http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:BBI |
| 20:26.18 | Jackson_ | Wait |
| 20:26.20 | Jackson_ | Sorry |
| 20:26.26 | Primer | other than deleting the directory from every module it has, every time it's updated? |
| 20:26.46 | RaydenU | ooh |
| 20:26.51 | RaydenU | i want to know that too |
| 20:26.54 | stolenlegacy | Primer: you mean the one that pops up in the upper left corner of your screen, can't be moved, and is click-through? |
| 20:27.02 | stolenlegacy | that annoying piece of shit? |
| 20:27.25 | RaydenU | it can be moved to different locations |
| 20:27.40 | stolenlegacy | how? i haven't been able to |
| 20:27.48 | stolenlegacy | it randomly comes up when i view an item's tooltip |
| 20:28.03 | RaydenU | maybe it's a different one |
| 20:29.17 | Vangual | just deactivating slidebar should do it? |
| 20:29.25 | Primer | stolenlegacy: it can be moved |
| 20:29.35 | stolenlegacy | Primer: how? |
| 20:29.41 | Primer | the one that has a transparent "tab" that, when you hover over it, expands |
| 20:29.45 | Primer | err, you drag it? |
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| 20:31.11 | stolenlegacy | then i've got a different frame :( |
| 20:31.55 | Primer | ok, wait |
| 20:32.09 | Primer | I wonder if they moved it out into its own addon now |
| 20:32.22 | Primer | I can't find it under any of the auctioneer directories any more |
| 20:32.28 | Primer | thing is, I don't remember what it's called |
| 20:32.49 | Shefki | They moved it into it's own addon. |
| 20:32.54 | Shefki | If you remove the addon it should go away. |
| 20:33.00 | TradeMark | o.O what bar is that |
| 20:33.08 | Dark_Elf | slidebar has folder of its own |
| 20:33.10 | Shefki | I don't remember te name of it because I removed it. |
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| 20:33.22 | RaydenU | woah |
| 20:33.30 | RaydenU | i can buy lvl 200 epic pvp gear |
| 20:33.32 | RaydenU | with honor |
| 20:33.33 | TradeMark | ohhhh. that. |
| 20:34.09 | Dark_Elf | speaking of auctioneer it got a new release on its website |
| 20:34.25 | Primer | yup, there it is, Slidebar |
| 20:34.37 | Primer | heh, why did you think I brought it up? :) |
| 20:34.46 | Primer | the update re-introduced the slidebar that I had deleted |
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| 20:36.06 | Dark_Elf | that thing is kind of annoying if ya move your mouse over it lol |
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| 20:46.09 | Nenue | <*> |
| 20:46.52 | SunTsu | df -h |
| 20:47.49 | steev | 0 bytes |
| 20:51.22 | stolenlegacy | i'm out, n8 guys |
| 20:52.14 | steev | nate! |
| 20:52.15 | steev | er |
| 20:52.53 | sacarasc | sighs at steev |
| 20:52.54 | Fisker- | i'm such a jerk |
| 20:53.05 | Fisker- | denied a pala 4 times for a herb that i have no intention of gathering |
| 20:53.19 | sacarasc | Why did you do that? |
| 20:53.43 | Megalon | sacarasc: Fisker- has a pathetic disorder, that's why |
| 20:54.04 | SunTsu | steev: Thanks ;) |
| 20:54.07 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 20:54.13 | steev | SunTsu: hm? |
| 20:54.28 | SunTsu | steev: For the "du" output ;) |
| 20:54.36 | Fisker- | damn |
| 20:54.40 | Fisker- | 5th time he got it |
| 20:54.46 | steev | heh |
| 20:54.56 | steev | although wtf ubuntu |
| 20:55.13 | steev | wtf is this volatile garbage... with atheros drivers |
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| 21:57.09 | Repo | 10skada: 03Zarnivoop * r101 modules/SkadaDeaths/Deaths.lua: |
| 21:57.12 | Repo | Death log is now ordered by time of death; also shows timestamp for death. Shows number of deaths in paranthesis if more than 1. |
| 21:58.57 | EthanCentaurai | s/paranthesis/parentheses/ |
| 21:59.38 | Zarnivoop | :P |
| 21:59.47 | EthanCentaurai | :) |
| 22:00.15 | EthanCentaurai | has been awarded the title, "Walking Dictionary" |
| 22:00.42 | Zarnivoop | also the Smartass mount! |
| 22:01.33 | EthanCentaurai | gets an image of an arse on legs wearing the mortar board hats that university graduates get |
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| 22:01.53 | Zarnivoop | and EthanCentaurai mounting it... eww |
| 22:02.56 | EthanCentaurai | high caffeine coffee + late at night = bad |
| 22:03.24 | EthanCentaurai | good night everyone |
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| 22:07.34 | Repo | 10skada: 03Zarnivoop * r102 / (2 files in 2 directories): Make use of alternating color. |
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| 22:12.29 | NivFreak | !i last laugh |
| 22:12.38 | durcyn | nevcairiel: they removed one of the children's week pvp achievements, way to go, complainer! |
| 22:12.40 | NivFreak | wasn't there a thraebot running in here? |
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| 22:15.23 | steev | uh |
| 22:15.56 | steev | where the hell did CC install these addons to |
| 22:16.13 | NivFreak | mac client? :) |
| 22:16.26 | NivFreak | or windows? |
| 22:17.22 | Gnarfoz | steev: your wow folder! xD |
| 22:17.33 | steev | windows 7 |
| 22:17.36 | steev | Gnarfoz: nope |
| 22:17.38 | steev | they weren't there |
| 22:17.48 | Gnarfoz | w7 probably implies the same as vista |
| 22:17.52 | steev | it does |
| 22:17.56 | steev | and thats where the game is |
| 22:18.05 | steev | the interface folder went poof |
| 22:18.12 | steev | not sure where it went but it wasn't there anymore |
| 22:18.44 | NivFreak | I find it funny where wow installs now days |
| 22:18.45 | ulic | I thought in Vista addons ended up in some userspace folder like C:\Docs & Settings\<user> or some such thing. |
| 22:18.57 | NivFreak | Users/Public/ or something |
| 22:19.04 | NivFreak | Users/Public/Games? |
| 22:19.14 | steev | Users/Public/Games/World of Warcraft/ |
| 22:19.18 | ulic | yea, I don't use Vista or Win7, so I'm not sure, but recall folks talking about that. |
| 22:19.34 | durcyn | Users\Public\Documents\Blizzard Entertainment\World of Warcraft |
| 22:19.59 | steev | doesn't matter |
| 22:20.05 | steev | the retarded video card is doing the same shit again |
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| 22:21.35 | Hirsute | ulic: They used to get installed in..... c:\users\<user>\appdata\local\VirtualStore\WoW\Interface\Addons, as did the SV files, but they didn't do it consistently, because WoW didn't properly respect Vista installation guidelines. Now the installation goes in another folder that isn't protected like Program Files is, so the problem isn't experienced any more once the initial mess is cleaned up. |
| 22:22.40 | Silberbuechse | As a Mainainer can i change the goal of a addon? |
| 22:22.57 | steev | i thought all addon's goal was world domination |
| 22:23.20 | ckknight | I know that's how all mine are |
| 22:23.24 | steev | No mail. |
| 22:23.24 | steev | Plan: |
| 22:23.24 | steev | world domination |
| 22:23.29 | Arrowmaster | if you want to drasticly change it you probably should just make a new project |
| 22:23.30 | ckknight | though I call it manifest destiny |
| 22:23.43 | Silberbuechse | not drasticly |
| 22:24.15 | Silberbuechse | i wanne skip some "side" effects |
| 22:24.21 | Silberbuechse | Addon: BigBrother |
| 22:24.59 | ckknight | side effects? |
| 22:25.35 | durcyn | Silberbuechse: you and i are probably the only two people who've committed to bigbrother in the past two years, you should probably just have ownership transferred to you |
| 22:25.39 | Silberbuechse | SidEffects: CC Warning, Announce for Missdirection & the rouge thing |
| 22:25.40 | steev | bigbrother should definitely have the plan of world domination |
| 22:25.58 | Arrowmaster | i thought those were a core part of bigbrother |
| 22:26.12 | Silberbuechse | @steev: it does :) |
| 22:26.23 | Silberbuechse | i dont think so |
| 22:26.29 | NivFreak | what do you want to do to bigbrother! |
| 22:26.33 | NivFreak | I love that addon |
| 22:26.56 | Silberbuechse | The Maingoal imo is Buff/Flask Check as a Raidtool |
| 22:27.08 | Silberbuechse | How much u need CC in a Raid atm? |
| 22:27.18 | NivFreak | the ONLY thing I use bigbrother for |
| 22:27.21 | NivFreak | is watching CC breakers |
| 22:27.22 | steev | what is CC? |
| 22:27.23 | NivFreak | ToT etc |
| 22:27.28 | CIA-35 | wow-ui-source: 03Tekkub 07ptr * rd9180b6 10/ (23 files in 6 dirs): Build 9637 - http://bit.ly/SN7ur |
| 22:27.40 | NivFreak | bigbrother is pretty terrible for checking raid consumables |
| 22:27.43 | NivFreak | I use RBS for that |
| 22:27.49 | NivFreak | it's WAY better |
| 22:27.50 | NivFreak | :) |
| 22:27.56 | Pneumatus | i use XRS for consumables and BB for CC breakers |
| 22:28.07 | NivFreak | I used XRS before, you should try RBS |
| 22:28.12 | NivFreak | it's a lot better |
| 22:28.16 | Pneumatus | sorry, i meant RBS |
| 22:28.43 | NivFreak | Silberbuechse: so I guess what we're saying is, you want to eliminate the only useful part of BB :) |
| 22:29.00 | durcyn | NivFreak: remind me to post the standalone warning-only rewrite of bb, the main addon uses assloads of old broken libraries |
| 22:29.10 | NivFreak | durcyn: consider this your reminder |
| 22:29.17 | Pneumatus | +reminded |
| 22:29.28 | NivFreak | I want misdirect, ToT, and CC breakers announced |
| 22:29.28 | durcyn | gah. |
| 22:29.29 | NivFreak | that's all |
| 22:29.39 | durcyn | oh, guess i should add tot before i push it, thanks |
| 22:29.42 | NivFreak | you could get crazy and add taunts to it |
| 22:29.43 | NivFreak | if you wanted |
| 22:29.54 | durcyn | out of scope, request deneid |
| 22:29.54 | NivFreak | but I have other addons for that |
| 22:29.57 | durcyn | denied, blah |
| 22:30.17 | durcyn | don't suppose you have the TOT spell ID handy? |
| 22:30.17 | Torhal | steev: Crowd Control. |
| 22:30.25 | NivFreak | durcyn: bigbrother does :) |
| 22:31.33 | Silberbuechse | i saw some other mods for the cc breaking part |
| 22:31.36 | steev | Torhal: yes i know - what i meant was - what is cc? there's none needed these days |
| 22:31.54 | Torhal | Ah, ok. |
| 22:32.11 | Silberbuechse | thats what i think |
| 22:32.44 | Silberbuechse | nobody needs CC in raids |
| 22:33.20 | steev | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSdxqIBfEAw |
| 22:33.42 | Silberbuechse | ok. conclussion for me: make a new project - right ? |
| 22:34.00 | ulic | Shaman like to do it just because they can now :P |
| 22:34.06 | NivFreak | Silberbuechse: no needs CC in current raids, they've stated it will be present in ulduar |
| 22:34.56 | Silberbuechse | hmm ok |
| 22:35.23 | Silberbuechse | thx @ all |
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| 22:45.40 | vhaarr | NivFreak: RSB? |
| 22:45.46 | vhaarr | RBS* |
| 22:45.49 | vhaarr | RaidBuffStatus? |
| 22:45.53 | vhaarr | NivFreak: got a screenshot of it? |
| 22:46.36 | NivFreak | the curse project doesn't? |
| 22:46.47 | vhaarr | I .. have no idea |
| 22:46.55 | NivFreak | it does |
| 22:46.57 | vhaarr | you want me to use curse.com? |
| 22:47.00 | NivFreak | lol |
| 22:47.03 | vhaarr | it's .. horrible >< |
| 22:47.07 | NivFreak | http://mediabeta.curse.com/Curse.Projects.ProjectImages/14556/10111/RBSDashboard.jpg |
| 22:47.20 | NivFreak | so it really has everything you want to check and more |
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| 22:47.24 | NivFreak | you click an icon to disable the check |
| 22:47.29 | NivFreak | there's a mass spam button |
| 22:47.35 | vhaarr | "0" means that 0 people are missing the buff? |
| 22:47.36 | NivFreak | or you can shift-click to announced that missing set to raid |
| 22:47.42 | NivFreak | or ctrl-click to spam the people who buff it |
| 22:47.45 | NivFreak | correct |
| 22:47.53 | Stanzilla | now that is one ugly addon :P |
| 22:48.09 | NivFreak | you hide it after readycheck |
| 22:48.10 | NivFreak | so who cares |
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| 22:48.21 | NivFreak | it's a TON of information packed in a small window |
| 22:48.25 | NivFreak | it's amazingly readable |
| 22:48.46 | vhaarr | I'm just wondering why it shows buffs that are "0" |
| 22:48.47 | NivFreak | there are more checks then what that screenshot shows |
| 22:48.52 | vhaarr | seems they could be hidden automatically |
| 22:49.05 | NivFreak | vhaarr: I'm sure it can be improved in a few ways |
| 22:49.06 | steev | i love it |
| 22:49.08 | NivFreak | but it's pretty awesome |
| 22:49.13 | Anaralx2 | Kd3 did you do the color highlighting of boss locations or is that blizz's doing? |
| 22:49.14 | steev | except it doesn't take into account lesser flask of toughness |
| 22:49.24 | NivFreak | I highly recommend it, it's part of my standard set of Raid leader tools |
| 22:49.31 | NivFreak | steev: it has bugs yea |
| 22:49.39 | NivFreak | it doesn't account for the armor elixir |
| 22:49.48 | NivFreak | and resist flasks |
| 22:50.39 | durcyn | sounds like it just needs some data added, easily enough dnoe |
| 22:50.55 | NivFreak | I'm not sure why he doesn't have comments turned on |
| 22:51.23 | NivFreak | I guess to force people to create tickets |
| 22:51.41 | steev | NivFreak: i love it too |
| 22:51.50 | steev | i just wish, you know, when i announced the shit, people would go |
| 22:51.56 | steev | and get the shit |
| 22:52.02 | durcyn | 25 stray SETGLOBALs in raidbuffstatus |
| 22:52.07 | durcyn | pffft. |
| 22:52.10 | steev | instead people just sit there like duh, lol he just posted a bunch of stuff in raid, thats awesome |
| 22:52.17 | NivFreak | steev: I ctrl-click them all |
| 22:52.20 | NivFreak | to spam the specific people |
| 22:52.33 | NivFreak | that's one thing I want, is a mass spam whisper button |
| 22:52.34 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 22:53.49 | steev | that would suck for me cuz i use wim |
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| 22:53.53 | Mikk1 | 23:51:44 [G] [Bop]: Just lost 80% of my hp from killing a ret pally Oo |
| 22:53.53 | Mikk1 | 23:52:06 [G] [Bop]: Eye for an eye my arse, more like toenail-for-an-arm with tenacity :P |
| 22:54.27 | Mikk1 | (Bop is a hunter) |
| 22:55.27 | Pneumatus | RBS also taints sometimes, which doesnt help |
| 22:55.36 | Pneumatus | but its generally better than bigbrother was |
| 22:55.53 | kd3 | Anaral, that's blizz's stuff. the color maps are pulled directly from the game files. the only modification I did was converting them from blps to jpgs |
| 22:56.48 | kd3 | everything here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Coordinate-safe_maps was not modified |
| 22:59.32 | NivFreak | steev: I can't use WIM |
| 22:59.36 | NivFreak | it does all kinds of bad things |
| 22:59.40 | NivFreak | I loved it in TBC :) |
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| 23:00.06 | Killmore | hi, anyone know a mirror for WoW-0.1.0.9626-to-0.1.0.9637-enUS-patch.exe ? (the last ptr update) |
| 23:01.31 | NivFreak | nope, but it's flying down :) |
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| 23:07.42 | Repo | 10arl: 03Jim-Bim * r1551 RecipeDB/ARL-Inscription.lua: AckisRecipeList: |
| 23:07.45 | Repo | - fixed Glyph of Fire Blast obtain info (Ticket 423) |
| 23:09.01 | NivFreak | Kaelten: is the option to install libraries standalone in CC, supposed to work? |
| 23:09.11 | Kaelten | yes |
| 23:11.28 | knigitz | I have a problem, "if(IsAddOnLoaded("WIM")) <truncated code> end" is in my core.lua for MiniChat, I'm trying to have <truncated code> execute if the addon AIM is loaded. It's not working - I have no idea why. :( |
| 23:11.31 | VonhintenHOME` | Anyone know how to disable that annoying-as-fuck sliding side bar that comes with auctioneer and related addons? |
| 23:11.53 | Anaralx2 | VonhintenHOME`: /nsb off |
| 23:11.56 | Pneumatus | uninstall auctioneer and use something less retarded instead? :> |
| 23:11.57 | Anaralx2 | I think |
| 23:12.16 | Anaralx2 | Pneumatus: is that really necessary? |
| 23:12.19 | NivFreak | Kaelten: I'd swear I had that option checked before I started installing addons, and they had all their embeded libs still ;) |
| 23:12.19 | Repo | 10broker_uberinventory: 03S1nless * r21 / (6 files in 5 directories): Internal.13 |
| 23:12.31 | knigitz | I don't use auctioneer since they bloated it up and took out the options from most things to embed it in the game tooltip. |
| 23:12.35 | NivFreak | Kaelten: if it's enabled and I re-install all addons, it should clean it up? |
| 23:12.42 | Pneumatus | well, i use Auctionator and it's got basically everything i need from an auction addon |
| 23:12.54 | Pneumatus | and its a fraction of the size |
| 23:13.12 | VonhintenHOME` | ok, thanks Anaralx2 |
| 23:13.16 | VonhintenHOME` | that was it |
| 23:13.34 | Anaralx2 | And thats fine and size is a valid reason, but calling it retarded isn't. |
| 23:13.49 | VonhintenHOME` | I like enchantrix and informant functionality |
| 23:14.02 | VonhintenHOME` | not so much the auctioneer's huge list of functionality |
| 23:14.26 | Anaralx2 | Then why not just download Enchantrix and Informant separately? |
| 23:14.29 | Pneumatus | enchantrix = what does somethign DE to? |
| 23:14.37 | Pneumatus | *something |
| 23:15.05 | Torhal | knigitz: You get no errors? |
| 23:15.07 | Anaralx2 | VonhintenHOME`: Bottom of page: http://auctioneeraddon.com/dl/#release |
| 23:15.08 | knigitz | and considering Nechckn is RIGHT THERE you may want to watch what you say :) |
| 23:15.11 | knigitz | Torhal - nope |
| 23:15.23 | knigitz | just nothing happens, but the script for minichat continues as normal |
| 23:15.27 | Torhal | Even though you left "then" out of your if? |
| 23:15.50 | Repo | 10broker_uberinventory: 03S1nless 04v1.3 * r22 : Tagging as v1.3 |
| 23:15.53 | knigitz | ? i have "then" |
| 23:16.05 | knigitz | oh, i typed that wrong ;) |
| 23:16.11 | knigitz | i do have a then, but nothing happens |
| 23:16.12 | Torhal | Ah, ok |
| 23:16.12 | Anaralx2 | Enchantrix tells you what it turns into (mill, prospect,& DE), how much it costs, and has a function to barker |
| 23:17.04 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah. Used to be more valuable back when items had random breakdowns... seems these days it's pretty staticly tied to itemlevel |
| 23:17.09 | VonhintenHOME` | and item type |
| 23:17.38 | TradeMark | couldn't live without auctioneer myself :D |
| 23:18.03 | Hirsute | Still useful for people who haven't memorized the tables and don't want to switch windows to look it up, but hey, if auctioneer isn't for you, by all means, use something else. |
| 23:18.50 | Pneumatus | for people that use every feature in it, im sure its great |
| 23:18.55 | VonhintenHOME` | I've disabled most of auctioneer, since I don't use it.. unfortunately, disabling the data gathering also seems to break the sorting |
| 23:19.06 | VonhintenHOME` | which I do use |
| 23:19.29 | TradeMark | of course it does >.> how is it going to know what % of market price something is if it doesn't know the market price |
| 23:20.00 | VonhintenHOME` | it could show me % of current pricing |
| 23:20.05 | VonhintenHOME` | using mean |
| 23:20.14 | Anaralx2 | VonhintenHOME`: Have you tried just installing Auctioneer instead of the Suite? |
| 23:20.15 | knigitz | all i need to do is have MiniChat recognize that WIM is loaded and to get some of the settings from it. |
| 23:20.18 | TradeMark | that would involve scanning every page |
| 23:20.39 | Hirsute | VonhintenHOME`: It doesn't know mean if you don't scan. |
| 23:20.55 | TradeMark | (assuming there's multiple pages of a single object) |
| 23:21.30 | Anaralx2 | VonhintenHOME`: And then just download Enx and Inf separately too. |
| 23:21.50 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah, I understand.. the point is, I don't want to maintain 11MB of auctionhouse data... If it were to build its data and then throw it away when I'm done the session, that would be better :) |
| 23:22.24 | Anaralx2 | TradeMark: This is what the GetAll button is for. Scans the whole auction house in a tenth of the time. |
| 23:22.33 | Torhal | knigitz: Is the folder name "WIM" or "WoW Instant Messanger"? |
| 23:22.49 | Pneumatus | its WIM3 or something now isnt it? |
| 23:23.03 | Hirsute | VonhintenHOME`: Well, Auctioneer will probably never work that way, though you could just delete the Auc-Stat-*.lua files from your SV folder after exiting to manually accomplish that. |
| 23:23.03 | Torhal | IsAddOnLoaded() looks for the folder name, not what is in the TOC. |
| 23:23.04 | VonhintenHOME` | Anaral, no, I haven't.. mostly out of laziness, I just grab the big package and disable stuff |
| 23:23.45 | TradeMark | Anaralx2: I'm assuming he's talking about say searching for a particular item and having it show %s for the mean data for each item in that search |
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| 23:23.50 | Pneumatus | oh, it is just "WIM" |
| 23:23.57 | Hirsute | VonhintenHOME`: It may save you a bit of effor to download the smaller package, you'll probably be able to get away without disabling stuff, though you'd need to download Enchantrix and Informant separately. |
| 23:24.06 | TradeMark | but if the search covers multiple pages then it would have to scan all those pages to get mean data for each item in the search |
| 23:24.08 | Anaralx2 | VonhintenHOME`: the size of an addon isn't a factor in how fast your game runs. It may affect initialization, but once it's running, size doesn't matter... in most cases. |
| 23:24.48 | TradeMark | also, I haven't been able to get the GetAll to work :< I blame my interwebs |
| 23:25.42 | Hirsute | TradeMark: What faction do you play? |
| 23:25.59 | TradeMark | alliance |
| 23:26.04 | TradeMark | don't see how that affects things :P |
| 23:26.10 | Hirsute | Have you tried doing the Getall from Exodar? |
| 23:26.21 | Anaralx2 | VonhintenHOME`: Go into auc settings, General and check the box by 'Forceload Scan-Data' and this will keep you from the slight slowdown you may get when you hover over an item. |
| 23:26.22 | TradeMark | ahh nope |
| 23:26.23 | Hirsute | TradeMark: Only affects the city I suggest you try it from. |
| 23:26.36 | TradeMark | alright, I'll give it a shot next time :) |
| 23:26.43 | Hirsute | Would have been Silvermoon or ThunderBluff if you'd been Horde. |
| 23:26.56 | Anaralx2 | TradeMark what is your usual FPS and latency? |
| 23:27.38 | TradeMark | FPS is about 40 in dal, latency gets to about 300 at the lowest |
| 23:27.44 | TradeMark | New Zealand internet = fail |
| 23:28.41 | TradeMark | hence "I blame my interwebs" ;) |
| 23:28.48 | VonhintenHOME` | where ya at in NZ? I work with folks from Auckland |
| 23:28.57 | TradeMark | auckland. |
| 23:29.28 | Codayus | I'm in NZ, and can't get GetAll to work either. I assume its my ping, which is always in the 280-320 range. :-/ QQ |
| 23:29.59 | ckknight | don't trust the Kiwis |
| 23:30.02 | ckknight | they're out to get ya |
| 23:30.10 | VonhintenHOME` | Don't I know it |
| 23:30.38 | ckknight | I should know |
| 23:30.39 | ckknight | <.< |
| 23:30.40 | ckknight | >.> |
| 23:30.49 | ckknight | I have a NZ passport |
| 23:30.51 | ckknight | if that counts |
| 23:30.52 | VonhintenHOME` | They keep calling it the Weeb, I don't get it... |
| 23:31.26 | Codayus | ckknight: That depends. Is it yours? |
| 23:31.35 | ckknight | yea, my dad's a kiwi |
| 23:31.40 | Codayus | Ah, well. |
| 23:32.05 | Codayus | I was going to say, stealing people's passports probably doesn't count... |
| 23:32.18 | VonhintenHOME` | I got to visit Auckland last year as part of work, nice place |
| 23:32.39 | Codayus | Wellington is better. |
| 23:32.44 | VonhintenHOME` | Wasn't shit on TV, but nice place :) |
| 23:32.47 | Codayus | :-) |
| 23:36.11 | NivFreak | Antiarc: did you see LibChatHandler yet? |
| 23:36.19 | Antiarc | I haven't |
| 23:36.26 | NivFreak | Pazza_: go! |
| 23:36.28 | Antiarc | I haven't been keeping up with my WoW dev later |
| 23:36.30 | Antiarc | lately* |
| 23:36.33 | NivFreak | slacker |
| 23:36.35 | NivFreak | fix sexymap on 3.1! |
| 23:36.45 | Antiarc | Yeah well, I'm sorta doing this 90-hours-per-week thing right now |
| 23:36.56 | Antiarc | I'm either working or sleeping more or less. |
| 23:36.59 | NivFreak | that leaves 78 hours |
| 23:37.03 | NivFreak | what's the problem? |
| 23:37.03 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 23:37.41 | NivFreak | didn't you have a baby incoming too? |
| 23:38.37 | Antiarc | yeah, he's 4 months old now |
| 23:38.49 | NivFreak | wow, time flys |
| 23:38.51 | Pazza_ | I am trying to design a MCV for chat |
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| 23:38.59 | NivFreak | it gets easier at 6months ;) |
| 23:39.03 | Pazza_ | I have to create the svn for it but i'l show you the docs for now |
| 23:39.04 | NivFreak | I've got #2 incoming in july |
| 23:39.06 | Antiarc | Heh, here's hoping |
| 23:39.08 | ckknight | MCV? |
| 23:39.14 | VonhintenHOME` | MVC |
| 23:39.29 | Pazza_ | http://www.wimaddon.com/wiki/LibChatHandler-1.0 |
| 23:39.34 | Antiarc | VMC |
| 23:39.37 | Antiarc | (very messy code) |
| 23:39.43 | Pazza_ | whatever. don't mock my typing |
| 23:39.51 | ckknight | Come to My Van (for free candy) |
| 23:39.53 | ckknight | CMV. |
| 23:40.05 | VonhintenHOME` | mmm candy |
| 23:40.24 | Pneumatus | moh, needs more working version of wowtorrentex :< |
| 23:42.51 | ckknight | right-click, open package contents |
| 23:42.52 | ckknight | :P |
| 23:44.33 | Pazza_ | bb in 10 |
| 23:44.42 | Pneumatus | that sounds like some kind of failmac thing :< |
| 23:45.19 | ckknight | if by failmac you mean awesome, yes |
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| 23:48.08 | Megalon | if by shitpickle oyu mean delicouscake, yes |
| 23:48.32 | Hirsute | lies |
| 23:48.44 | NivFreak | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/march/conquestloot_9637_21.jpg |
| 23:48.47 | NivFreak | ^-- wtf? |
| 23:48.50 | NivFreak | why isn't that spell power? |
| 23:49.10 | Pneumatus | blizz fail at 3.0 |
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| 23:58.23 | Pneumatus | fail that they have only made 3 cloth items with emblems of conquest :< |
| 23:58.28 | Arrowmaster | Pazza_: why? |
