| 00:00.14 | Zhinjio | ok, um. |
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| 00:02.38 | Zhinjio | Zhinjio: no, it doesn't work on multiple lines |
| 00:02.38 | ckknight | btw: the packager should run faster now, it should check every â5 seconds rather than every minute for new commits |
| 00:02.42 | Zhinjio | hahaha |
| 00:02.48 | Zhinjio | ckknight: no, it doesn't work on multiple lines |
| 00:02.51 | ckknight | k |
| 00:02.53 | ckknight | not surprised |
| 00:03.04 | ckknight | also, I don't plan to make it work on multiple lines |
| 00:03.13 | Zhinjio | not a huge deal |
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| 00:03.49 | Bruners | multiple lines ? |
| 00:04.13 | Zhinjio | actually, its not expanding it at all |
| 00:04.21 | Zhinjio | I must be doing somethign wrong |
| 00:04.38 | ckknight | paste |
| 00:04.49 | Zhinjio | one moment, lemme read |
| 00:04.59 | ckknight | or you could paste your line |
| 00:05.00 | ckknight | :P |
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| 00:11.15 | Bruners | what part of SM gives the most silk cloth? |
| 00:11.37 | NivFreak | I just do sm cath in 2 pulls |
| 00:11.41 | NivFreak | plenty of cloth |
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| 00:13.10 | Zhinjio | I'm not clear on the debug stuff before the @localization lines, and the last argument to NewLocale() |
| 00:13.43 | Zhinjio | my head hurts |
| 00:18.02 | ckknight | Zhinjio: wanna paste your damn code? |
| 00:18.36 | Gnarfoz | so Xinhuan, do you think reverting that recent patch to Omen will be necessary? ("# Mirror Image: The Mirror Image Polymorph ability now has a range of 8 yards. In addition, Mirror Images will no longer have excessive threat values assigned to them when they are created. " from 3.0.8 patch notes) |
| 00:25.56 | FtH|Daemona | damn why didnt anyone tell me there was a Option(less)House available |
| 00:26.52 | FtH|Daemona | now i was able to figure out why opening my bags always lagged me ... ArkInventory querying the closetgnome for gear sets to apply the filters to the bag.... and it lagged me because the filters were invalid since WotLK release |
| 00:26.57 | FtH|Daemona | cause i dont use that gear anymore ... |
| 00:27.39 | Zhinjio | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/paste/146/ |
| 00:27.40 | Gnarfoz | (I heard ArkInventory was insanely outdated itself) |
| 00:27.48 | Zhinjio | I did not include the debug stuff |
| 00:27.56 | Zhinjio | because i need to wrap my head around that first |
| 00:28.06 | FtH|Daemona | i am open for replacement suggestions |
| 00:28.28 | FtH|Daemona | same for cowtip, cause i dont see why it should eat cpu cycles while displaying NO tooltip ... |
| 00:28.32 | ckknight | Zhinjio: could be the spaces around the parentheses |
| 00:28.55 | Zhinjio | seriously? wow. |
| 00:28.56 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 00:29.12 | ckknight | could be |
| 00:29.28 | ckknight | dunno |
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| 00:29.36 | Xinhuan | Gnarfoz, no |
| 00:29.57 | Xinhuan | the patch notes is merely about the image's threat, while omen's change was about the mage's threat |
| 00:30.19 | Xinhuan | so no change is necessary unless something else also change |
| 00:30.21 | Xinhuan | +d |
| 00:30.24 | Gnarfoz | FtH|Daemona: yeah, I'm still lacking replacement for CowTip, too... it's actually LDT chewing up CPU time like Leckerlis :X |
| 00:30.38 | ckknight | Gnarfoz: ...my bad |
| 00:30.46 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: StarTip |
| 00:30.59 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: tried it, can't make it look remotely similar :x |
| 00:31.08 | Xinhuan | Gnarfoz: write your own gametooltip hook :) |
| 00:31.10 | Zhinjio | that wasn't it, ck. I'm removing all spaces from that line now to check again |
| 00:31.18 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: yeah, thought about that |
| 00:31.23 | Bruners | in the default ui, the bars are bar1, bar3 on top from that and then bare 4 to the right ? |
| 00:31.26 | FtH|Daemona | check this: http://i39.tinypic.com/ff1wep.jpg |
| 00:31.27 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: probably, yes, but meh ;p |
| 00:31.27 | ckknight | Zhinjio: hang on, I'll get to the bottom of it |
| 00:31.35 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 00:31.51 | quiescens | What's an optionless house |
| 00:31.52 | quiescens | lol |
| 00:32.06 | Stanzilla | FtH|Daemona: lool |
| 00:32.15 | quiescens | if um |
| 00:32.20 | Gnarfoz | I'm actually looking for a way to get back like, 30fps? I'm down to like 12-15fps during boss encounters, and this is on a E6750, 4GB RAM, 8800GTX... I mean, WoW should be running fucking smooth :\ |
| 00:32.23 | Stanzilla | cowtip disconnected me on kiljaeden all the time .( |
| 00:32.24 | quiescens | cowtip is where libdogtag is being loaded |
| 00:32.31 | Xinhuan | Gnarfoz: don't run boss mods |
| 00:32.36 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: ooooooooobviously. |
| 00:32.39 | quiescens | wouldn't the dogtag cpu time that's actually from pitbull be attributed to cowtip? |
| 00:32.41 | Xinhuan | or dps meters |
| 00:32.42 | quiescens | in that list? |
| 00:32.42 | FtH|Daemona | haha Gnarfoz we almost got identical machine ;) |
| 00:33.12 | Gnarfoz | quiescens: if you disembed DogTag it becomes obvious who the culprit is ;> |
| 00:33.19 | Gnarfoz | FtH|Daemona: how much fps left, for you? :< |
| 00:33.20 | FtH|Daemona | i run e6750 (clocked to 3.36) 4gb and a gtx260 (i sniped it cheap for 199 @ alterate first week of january) |
| 00:34.02 | FtH|Daemona | do you know that pinnacle between dalaran and crusaders pinnacle? |
| 00:34.08 | FtH|Daemona | the peak into icecrown |
| 00:34.17 | FtH|Daemona | west of argent vanguard? |
| 00:34.22 | FtH|Daemona | if i look at dalaran from there |
| 00:34.25 | NivFreak | so there's some new pvp shoulder enchants going in? |
| 00:34.29 | FtH|Daemona | i get 60 fps |
| 00:34.38 | FtH|Daemona | NivFreak yup some resilience sta stuff |
| 00:34.40 | FtH|Daemona | check mmo |
| 00:34.57 | FtH|Daemona | it was noticably bad at sarth +2drakes today |
| 00:35.04 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: disabling Recount gains me nothing substantial, I don't see how bossmods would make up anything. also I ran with profiling on for a while, too, those didn't show up :\ |
| 00:35.13 | Xinhuan | it will |
| 00:35.25 | Gnarfoz | how can you say that when I just said they don't |
| 00:35.26 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 00:35.29 | FtH|Daemona | Xinhuan i never run over 70% cpu load |
| 00:35.30 | FtH|Daemona | NEVER |
| 00:35.31 | Xinhuan | because you didn't disable both |
| 00:35.58 | NeoTron | WotLK became a lot more resource hungry in general |
| 00:36.03 | Xinhuan | bossmods and damage meters parse all combat log lines, together they chew the most cpu ;p |
| 00:36.07 | NivFreak | recount DESTROYS my FPS in raids lately |
| 00:36.10 | Gnarfoz | it became a lot less EFFECTIVE in general |
| 00:36.17 | FtH|Daemona | and i get like 10-0 fps on sartharion when the spawn tank has like 5 fire elementals + a new wave of drake spawns |
| 00:36.20 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: they don't, CowTip does... |
| 00:36.33 | Xinhuan | yeah but cowtip has always been an obvious culprit for years |
| 00:36.39 | ckknight | Zhinjio: wanna try again? it should spit out debug info now |
| 00:36.50 | FtH|Daemona | Xinhuan just to repeat http://i39.tinypic.com/ff1wep.jpg |
| 00:36.51 | FtH|Daemona | ;) |
| 00:37.00 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 00:37.11 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: do boss mods actually hook the combat log? |
| 00:37.24 | NivFreak | I figured they were using events/chat queues |
| 00:37.28 | Zhinjio | pusht. |
| 00:37.29 | Xinhuan | NivFreak, yes |
| 00:37.36 | Xinhuan | they need to scan combat log, all of it |
| 00:37.43 | Xinhuan | for spells casted by bosses |
| 00:37.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm telling you, Recount and BigWigs are like, "down there" on the list. I'll indulge and disable BW (I can live without Recount anyway) on some bossfight where I don't need to call out shit, but I seriously think you're making fun of me :p |
| 00:37.57 | sylvanaar | someone actually said you can hex sartharions drakes |
| 00:38.06 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: that'd be fun |
| 00:38.06 | Repo | 10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio * r45 Locales/enUS.lua: test localization push |
| 00:38.07 | Xinhuan | FtH|Daemona: that is totally inaccurate unless the screenshot is made DURING a boss fight |
| 00:38.11 | ckknight | Zhinjio: handled-unlocalized => handle-unlocalized |
| 00:38.22 | Xinhuan | your cpu/sec standing in town is irrelevant |
| 00:38.30 | Xinhuan | its in combat and in a 25-man hectic encounter that counts |
| 00:38.36 | ckknight | Zhinjio: and no-lib-strip => nolib-strip |
| 00:38.36 | FtH|Daemona | no that screenshot is done sitting idle on the mountain peak between dalaran and crusaders pinnacle |
| 00:38.39 | ckknight | I guess |
| 00:38.52 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: that's something *every* performance analyzing addon like that lacks btw. |
| 00:38.52 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: but you can't you attach a filter based on GUID of the boss? |
| 00:38.54 | FtH|Daemona | and then cowtip is chewing so much cpu |
| 00:38.55 | ckknight | wait, no |
| 00:38.59 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: and not scan the entirity |
| 00:39.15 | ckknight | Zhinjio: odd, no-lib-strip should work |
| 00:39.15 | ckknight | oh |
| 00:39.17 | Xinhuan | NivFreak, you still have to register for COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 00:39.20 | ckknight | yea, just nevermind that one |
| 00:39.29 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: the ability to limit to certain time frames... in OptionlessHouse, AckisRecipeList shows up on #1 for the first 10 minutes after login, before CowTip overtakes it... :P |
| 00:39.29 | Xinhuan | and registering for that itself, and scanning that one mobID |
| 00:39.34 | Xinhuan | eats heaps of CPU |
| 00:39.41 | Xinhuan | because it is a strsub() |
| 00:39.47 | Xinhuan | or a strfind() |
| 00:39.52 | Zhinjio | ckknight: nm the no-lib-strip thing? |
| 00:39.54 | Xinhuan | to extract the mobID out from the GUID |
| 00:39.56 | Zhinjio | thats working correctly? |
| 00:39.59 | ckknight | yes, Zhinjio |
| 00:40.01 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 00:40.14 | FtH|Daemona | no Gnarfoz, enable questhelper |
| 00:40.14 | ckknight | that's done on the second pass |
| 00:40.14 | FtH|Daemona | its an abomination |
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| 00:40.14 | Xinhuan | Gnarfoz: go into a 25-man raid boss then come back to me lol |
| 00:40.15 | Gnarfoz | I don't even HAVE QH |
| 00:40.16 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 00:40.23 | Xinhuan | you'll find anything htat parses combat log on top during the fight |
| 00:40.24 | Zhinjio | is it useful to try this across multiple lines again or do you know that won't work? |
| 00:40.39 | ckknight | Zhinjio: *shrug* |
| 00:40.41 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: you do know that those numbers are totals? |
| 00:40.49 | ckknight | it probably will work |
| 00:40.52 | Xinhuan | cpu/sec column isn't total |
| 00:40.56 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: if Recount or BigWigs were on top during a fight, they'd still be afterwards? |
| 00:40.57 | Xinhuan | it is the total from the last 1 second |
| 00:40.58 | ckknight | try it as one line first, though |
| 00:41.03 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 00:41.06 | Xinhuan | not necessarily at all Gnarfoz |
| 00:41.16 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: you do see the column titled "CPU" |
| 00:41.19 | Xinhuan | some addons do background stuff all the time and if you were online long enough |
| 00:41.30 | Repo | 10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio * r46 Locales/enUS.lua: test localization push |
| 00:41.36 | Xinhuan | also some addons do heavy one-time initialization |
| 00:41.39 | Gnarfoz | I sincerely hope the "CPU/sec" column would be the other CPU column divided by total time elapsed :P |
| 00:41.44 | Xinhuan | it isn't |
| 00:41.52 | sylvanaar | honestly how much CPU something uses isnt all that interesting a number |
| 00:41.56 | FtH|Daemona | cpu/sec is last second |
| 00:41.56 | Xinhuan | the CPU/sec column is a value from the last 1 second |
| 00:41.57 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: indeed they do, like ARL. hence the need for time framing... |
| 00:42.29 | Zhinjio | ckknight: it put some character at the end of every line |
| 00:42.31 | Zhinjio | ? |
| 00:42.36 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: it's the only interesting number because it's the one that impacts performance severely :p |
| 00:42.43 | Zhinjio | (except the localization expansion lines) |
| 00:42.45 | ckknight | Zhinjio: paste |
| 00:42.48 | Xinhuan | basically, i will reject any screenshot that isn't made during 25-man combat |
| 00:43.03 | Xinhuan | because that is when the activity is taht causes fps drop |
| 00:43.10 | sylvanaar | yes but without knowing its limits it provides misleading info |
| 00:43.11 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 00:43.12 | Zhinjio | looks like extra CRLF or LFs |
| 00:43.14 | FtH|Daemona | doing 25man with cpu profiling on when you already have fps issues is ... |
| 00:43.15 | FtH|Daemona | ... stupid? |
| 00:43.21 | Zhinjio | can't pastey, it just turns them into CRLF or LFs |
| 00:43.21 | Gnarfoz | it works |
| 00:43.30 | Xinhuan | not at all FtH|Daemona, when you are trying to debug cpu usage |
| 00:43.39 | Gnarfoz | you'll not notice much of a difference, honestly ;p |
| 00:43.41 | Xinhuan | i'm sure you can 24-man razuvious for example |
| 00:43.50 | Xinhuan | while you do a screenshot |
| 00:43.53 | ckknight | Zhinjio: k, lemme download |
| 00:44.13 | Xinhuan | the simple fact is, look at the memory/sec column, no addon shows any increase, which means it was during idle time |
| 00:44.15 | sylvanaar | and measureing CPU usage dramatically increases its use DISPROPORTIONATELY |
| 00:44.15 | quiescens | what if you're a healer or tank! |
| 00:44.21 | Xinhuan | its the cpu/sec that matters, not the total CPU time |
| 00:44.42 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
| 00:44.43 | Xinhuan | i could show you a screenshot of my windows task manager with wow's total cpu time at 2 days |
| 00:44.47 | Groktar | how do i dramtically measure my cpu usage? |
| 00:44.49 | ckknight | Zhinjio: this enUS.lua? |
| 00:44.54 | sylvanaar | so you just tune cpu use to the meter |
| 00:44.58 | Zhinjio | yessir |
| 00:45.02 | sylvanaar | not to your machine |
| 00:45.16 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: the point being: that'd only be funny if you hid facts like your total uptime from the viewer... |
| 00:45.31 | ckknight | Zhinjio: I don't see the issue |
| 00:45.37 | Xinhuan | well your original complaint is low fps during a boss fight right? |
| 00:45.48 | Gnarfoz | yes? not necessarily addon code related *at all* |
| 00:45.49 | Xinhuan | i'm pointing out recount and bigwigs eats LOTS |
| 00:45.50 | sylvanaar | turn down spell detail |
| 00:46.04 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: yes, it's certainly my GPU being bottlenecked ;p |
| 00:46.13 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't make 1 fps difference doing it |
| 00:46.13 | sylvanaar | just turn it down |
| 00:46.20 | Xinhuan | and they only eat lots during a boss fight |
| 00:46.24 | ckknight | Zhinjio: also, make sure there isn't a space between the initial -- and the @ |
| 00:46.32 | Ackis | Zhinjio: I don't get unknown acquire case at all |
| 00:46.41 | Gnarfoz | how do I know? I checked how Sarth+3d looked with that setting to make sure my raiders can actually still see everything they need to see |
| 00:47.13 | Xinhuan | just run cpu profiling on during a boss fight, and see cpu/sec |
| 00:47.18 | Xinhuan | its obvious |
| 00:47.19 | Zhinjio | ckknight: there are characters in the resultant packaged file that are not in my source file. its probably just filetype stuff or something |
| 00:47.32 | Zhinjio | Ackis: turn off vendor, trainer, world drop and mob drop types |
| 00:47.35 | ckknight | newlines are normalized in the zips |
| 00:47.52 | Xinhuan | unless you are willing to change hardware, upgrade computer, i dont' think blaming "gpu bottleneck" or cpu, is any help |
| 00:48.14 | Xinhuan | which is why addons is the next logical step |
| 00:48.16 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: I'm still wondering why disabling Recount (which I suspected a long time ago, too) doesn't impact FPS in the slightest, then. |
| 00:48.44 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: read again, I wasn't blaming "GPU bottleneck" at all. Sylvanaar (the guy with code in his addons to hide from cpu profiling ^^) did |
| 00:48.51 | Zhinjio | ckknight: they are *not* at the end of the inserted localization lines |
| 00:48.59 | ckknight | that's odd |
| 00:49.00 | Zhinjio | they *are* at the end of every other line |
| 00:49.03 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 00:49.06 | ckknight | okay |
| 00:49.38 | Gnarfoz | anyway, this should be a wide-spread problem, then? |
| 00:49.45 | Xinhuan | Gnarfoz, i'm going to be honest here that if multiple addons register for combatlog, their cumulative effect is lower, than if no addons at all were to register for it :) |
| 00:50.06 | Repo | 10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio * r47 Locales/enUS.lua: test localization push |
| 00:50.28 | Xinhuan | but we're really not going to reach any agreement here, so my suggestion is, go to your next boss fight with no UI, just default blizz hehe |
| 00:50.30 | Zhinjio | ckknight: multiline does not work. |
| 00:50.42 | Xinhuan | just to see as a whole how your fps is without addons |
| 00:50.59 | ckknight | Zhinjio: k |
| 00:51.07 | ckknight | newline issue's fixed |
| 00:51.08 | Arrowmaster | Zhinjio: this was in the enUS.lua file? i downloaded it too and dont see whats wrong |
| 00:51.12 | sylvanaar | cpu profiling is inaccurate |
| 00:51.31 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: that'll probably be Patchwerk then, only fight I'll be able to survive with "CrapUI 3.0.3" ^^ |
| 00:51.41 | Xinhuan | what class are you |
| 00:51.46 | Gnarfoz | Raid Leader class |
| 00:51.47 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 00:51.51 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 00:51.56 | Zhinjio | Arrowmaster: yes. The CRLF or whatever character it was that it normalizes to was at the end of every line EXCEPT the ones the localizer put in |
| 00:51.57 | Arrowmaster | oh wait i see it now |
| 00:52.00 | Zhinjio | unless you have ... ok |
| 00:52.00 | Xinhuan | now now, naxx is easy enough to 24-man |
| 00:52.09 | Xinhuan | you don't necessarily have to actually do anything hehe |
| 00:52.23 | sylvanaar | and the error it creates gets multiplied by the number of times something executes |
| 00:52.43 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: sigh |
| 00:53.08 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: so why arent text files in the zips in crlf instead of lf? |
| 00:53.16 | ckknight | they are |
| 00:53.23 | Zhinjio | can someone who feels like being patient and not make me feel like an ignorant asshole please msg me and explain how the debug stuff works with localizations |
| 00:53.50 | Xinhuan | Zhinjio, dont' worry about it, the 4th arg just tells acelocale not to throw errors() on a missing key in all locales |
| 00:54.03 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: ok, perty sure i saw some normal text files before with just lf's though |
| 00:54.11 | ckknight | shouldn't be |
| 00:54.18 | Xinhuan | that is trying to read L["bah"] will normally throw an error saying "missing localization "bah"" |
| 00:54.25 | Zhinjio | I see |
| 00:54.28 | Xinhuan | adding the 4th argument = true tells acelocale not to error |
| 00:54.41 | Xinhuan | and just silently add L["bah"] = "bah" to the table |
| 00:54.50 | Zhinjio | got it. |
| 00:54.54 | Xinhuan | by default, it will error ONCE, and add L["bah"] = "bah" to the table, so it never errors a 2nd time |
| 00:55.10 | FtH|Daemona | goddamn, i went through my addons and found like 7 addons parsing combatlog that arnt "crucial" |
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| 00:55.38 | sylvanaar | so if you have code running in an OnUpdate script it will have the (measurement error x fps) extra CPU usage |
| 00:55.38 | Xinhuan | pretty much, it isn't really a useful option because you eventually want to release the addon without it |
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| 00:56.08 | Xinhuan | sylvanaar, inaccurate as it is, it still gives a good relative comparison of cpu usage between addons, and its the only tool we have |
| 00:56.10 | sylvanaar | why dont people get that |
| 00:56.14 | Arrowmaster | lots of things parse the combatlog, it all depends on how well the programmer knows about effecience |
| 00:56.35 | Xinhuan | its not really for measuring exact amounts, its really more for comparison usage between addons |
| 00:56.52 | Xinhuan | "addon X uses 50% more than addon Y" <-- valid on any CPU |
| 00:56.59 | sylvanaar | no |
| 00:57.17 | sylvanaar | did you read the measurement error part |
| 00:57.21 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 00:57.34 | Xinhuan | but the error measurement will still be on all computers |
| 00:57.44 | Xinhuan | so a 1% error on mine will also exist on yours |
| 00:58.08 | Gnarfoz | it also all gets less accurate when authors start intentionally skewing numbers |
| 00:58.08 | Arrowmaster | actually i would claim that isnt accurate, especially with onupdates if one has a timer and the other doesnt, and you are comparing between a very high end system with vsync off and a lower end system with vsync on |
| 00:58.10 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 00:58.16 | Xinhuan | the accuracy is only to 1/256 sec anyway |
| 00:58.25 | sylvanaar | if your code executes a function 1 time and takes 10 sec, and mine does it 10 times for 1 sec, and the measurement error is 0.5 sec, then yours will take 10.5 sec and mine will take 15 |
| 00:58.26 | Xinhuan | wow's GetTime() is only accurate to 1/256 sec |
| 00:58.40 | sylvanaar | 10.5 v 15 for code that uses the same cpu\ |
| 00:59.04 | sylvanaar | thats why its a worthless number |
| 00:59.10 | Ackis | @project arl |
| 00:59.11 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/projects/arl/. Ackis Recipe List. Game: WoW. Ackis (Manager/Author), Zhinjio (Author), Jim-Bim (Author), Elkano (Tester), Dessa (Translator), andy52005 (Translator), Swix (Translator), Primaxina (Translator), ananhaid (Translator), Pettigrow (Translator). Updated: 2 hours ago. Tickets: 4/316 |
| 01:00.07 | Xinhuan | its still "useful" |
| 01:00.10 | Gnarfoz | if it's worthless, why do you cheat at it |
| 01:00.11 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 01:00.16 | Gnarfoz | strikes me as funny ^^ |
| 01:00.37 | Xinhuan | looking at FtH|Daemona's screenshot (http://i39.tinypic.com/ff1wep.jpg) its obvious cowtip is chewing cpu, regardless of errors in measurement |
| 01:00.38 | Arrowmaster | its not a worthless number, you should know that function calls have overhead when you write your code, that way if you want to write like kenco and have a bajillion tiny functions you are held accountable instead of claiming its not your fault and that the measurement tools are wrong |
| 01:00.40 | sylvanaar | because people dont know it |
| 01:01.20 | sylvanaar | so i should code to the CPU meter |
| 01:01.29 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:01.37 | Xinhuan | in the first place, cpu profiling only has meaning to programmers |
| 01:01.38 | sylvanaar | thats what you just said |
| 01:01.50 | Xinhuan | you shouldn't have to cater to non-technical people |
| 01:02.01 | Arrowmaster | but you should code with whats actually going to happen with your code in mind instead of coding however the fuck you want and ignoring preformance |
| 01:02.11 | Gnarfoz | the best idea would be to report the error to the people that matter and who can fix it, if they're willing |
| 01:02.50 | Gnarfoz | also, if intentionally coding around cpu profiling is not already "coding to the cpu meter" then I don't know what is |
| 01:03.19 | Arrowmaster | if you are using the combatlog you should code it as efficient as possible and ignore any and all coding styles youd rather use |
| 01:03.49 | Gnarfoz | someone tell that to those evil BigWigs authors! |
| 01:04.03 | sylvanaar | honestly Gnarfoz it was the best option for me dealing with users who didnt like the delay and idiots with profilers that didnt understand how to use them |
| 01:04.05 | Arrowmaster | bigwigs needs a rewrite |
| 01:04.06 | Xinhuan | talking about bigwigs, i'm about to delete it from my addons list |
| 01:04.26 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: why? |
| 01:04.36 | Xinhuan | because many triggers don't work |
| 01:04.44 | NivFreak | same is true for DBM |
| 01:04.47 | Xinhuan | and its clearly in a state where its no longer being maintained by the original authors |
| 01:04.51 | Arrowmaster | blame the fucking chinese |
| 01:04.53 | NivFreak | I'm a bit irritated that they both have largish holes;) |
| 01:05.01 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: how come? |
| 01:05.01 | Zhinjio | my approach to handling combatlog stuff is to do the biggest checks for whether you care about the entry as quickly as you can so you can drop out if the entry isn't relevant |
| 01:05.20 | Zhinjio | and refine the checks one step at a time until your'e sure you've got a relevant entry. |
| 01:05.29 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: they broke a lot of stuff in bigwigs modules |
| 01:05.32 | Xinhuan | the biggest reason why combat log parsing eats CPU is extracting out the mob ID from the GUID |
| 01:05.38 | ckknight | ...how? |
| 01:05.41 | ckknight | crap localization? |
| 01:05.43 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:05.48 | Bruners | i dont use bigwigs or dbm |
| 01:06.15 | NivFreak | Bruners: good for you? |
| 01:06.15 | Xinhuan | it creates string garbage too |
| 01:06.29 | Ackis | ~wowspell 53970 |
| 01:06.30 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53970 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=53970 |
| 01:06.33 | Xinhuan | can't really be avoided but its a large reason |
| 01:06.40 | Ackis | Zhinjio: that bug is fixed btw |
| 01:06.47 | Zhinjio | oh yeah? |
| 01:06.49 | Zhinjio | cool. |
| 01:07.02 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r44 commands.lua: bad debug |
| 01:08.24 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1393 / (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 01:08.28 | Repo | Fix bug where when you had mob drop off but instance and raid on it would give you unknown acquire thing, and fix a JC drop (might cause some other errors but I doubt it and those are easy as fuck to fix.) |
| 01:09.33 | Repo | 10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio * r48 Locales (2 files in 1 directory): test localization push |
| 01:10.56 | Repo | 10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio * r49 Locales/frFR.lua: test localization push |
| 01:11.27 | Zhinjio | I think I broke the packager (again() |
| 01:11.39 | Zhinjio | yuop |
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| 01:14.32 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah has anybody tested LoD on the ptr? |
| 01:14.44 | Xinhuan | don't think so |
| 01:15.09 | Xinhuan | get mikk to do it |
| 01:15.11 | Bruners | NivFreak: yep, i dont really know why i needed it pre wotlk |
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| 01:15.44 | Arrowmaster | with 3.0.8 we should hopefully finally be able to make everything lod again |
| 01:15.46 | Zhinjio | ckknight: I broke the packager |
| 01:16.32 | ckknight | gz |
| 01:17.35 | ckknight | oh, durr |
| 01:17.36 | ckknight | my bad |
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| 01:17.52 | Zhinjio | I'm good at breaking shit |
| 01:18.13 | Zhinjio | I think people should pay me to misuse, abuse and otherwise malign their code. |
| 01:18.36 | ckknight | ...you want a QA position? |
| 01:18.43 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184 <- kek |
| 01:18.54 | Ackis | Zhinjio: how did you and I ever code a mod together? |
| 01:18.55 | Zhinjio | don't I already? |
| 01:18.59 | Xinhuan | i'll love one at EA or Ubisoft :( |
| 01:19.04 | Zhinjio | Ackis: I have no fucking clue. |
| 01:19.18 | Xinhuan | but they aren't hiring (in my area) |
| 01:21.47 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1394 AckisRecipeList.lua: Make the text dump look prettier |
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| 01:29.45 | Zhinjio | ckknight: safe to push again? |
| 01:30.08 | ckknight | yes, it even packaged r49 for you |
| 01:30.27 | Zhinjio | danke schoen |
| 01:31.17 | Zhinjio | interestingly, that file does *not* have the extra characters. |
| 01:31.26 | Zhinjio | I suspect utf-8 shenanigans |
| 01:31.28 | Zhinjio | in my editor |
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| 01:33.03 | Arrowmaster | it was an eol bug he already fixed |
| 01:35.40 | Xinhuan | its gnomes, i tell ya |
| 01:36.24 | Zhinjio | @ping |
| 01:36.24 | Repo | pong |
| 01:36.28 | Zhinjio | hmm |
| 01:36.50 | Repo | 10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio * r50 Locales (4 files in 1 directory): - switch over to wowace localization |
| 01:38.29 | Zhinjio | this is working wonderfully |
| 01:38.45 | Xinhuan | except for people who checkout directly ;p |
| 01:39.24 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 01:39.29 | Repo | 10grid-status-lifebloom: 03Sayclub * r44 GridStatusLifebloom.lua: koKR update |
| 01:39.37 | Xinhuan | how do you deal with it |
| 01:40.24 | Zhinjio | I do my coding on a directory that is not under my wowdir... then copy over changed files to my wowdir to test |
| 01:40.55 | Xinhuan | that's troublesome |
| 01:41.15 | Zhinjio | I don't like having the directory under my wowdir be my devdir |
| 01:41.21 | Zhinjio | it causes other problems for me |
| 01:41.29 | Xinhuan | such as? |
| 01:41.57 | Zhinjio | just habitual things... forgetting to push, accidentally deleting stuff, etc. |
| 01:42.04 | Zhinjio | my devdir is on a network, mirrored, drive |
| 01:42.26 | Zhinjio | its just habits |
| 01:42.40 | Zhinjio | so that extra step isn't "extra". I've just always done it that way |
| 01:43.49 | Xinhuan | except in this case, by using @localization, you can't copy the files over, you have to download the zip ;p |
| 01:44.04 | Zhinjio | my wowdir is managed by curse client |
| 01:44.11 | Zhinjio | which, yes... uses the packaged zip |
| 01:44.53 | Zhinjio | I don't worry about copying locale files over. |
| 01:45.05 | Xinhuan | hmm i need to do more dailies |
| 01:45.14 | Zhinjio | if I add locale strings... I guess I'll just add them manually when I'm testing |
| 01:45.22 | Zhinjio | haven't run up against that yet |
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| 01:45.58 | Xinhuan | well that pretty much means you can't really test stuff before you commit |
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| 01:46.20 | Xinhuan | which kinda defeats the idea of testing code and making sure it works before committing ;p |
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| 01:46.43 | sylvanaar | right - you are using a preprocessor - so you have to test the result of the preprocessor |
| 01:46.53 | Repo | 10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio 041.11.0-release * r51 : Tagging as 1.11.0-release |
| 01:46.55 | quiescens | fun |
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| 01:49.33 | Ackis | priest wise, is 25 man instructor the same as naxx 60 instructor, or is it hella easier? |
| 01:49.44 | NivFreak | he wasn't hard at 60 |
| 01:49.46 | Xinhuan | hella easier |
| 01:49.49 | NivFreak | :) |
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| 01:50.00 | Ackis | NivFreak: the random factor at 60 sucked |
| 01:50.03 | NivFreak | but our healers manage to keep the adds at 100% health if the priests keep bone shield up |
| 01:50.08 | NivFreak | Ackis: you mean lack of hit cap? |
| 01:50.12 | sylvanaar | is there some option in the localizer to say substitute all localizations here, rather than line by line |
| 01:50.27 | Zhinjio | Xinhuan: I'm using Ackis' fine example as my credo. Why test? Drycode everything! |
| 01:50.30 | Xinhuan | hella easier - because you don't actually have to dodge the shout every 26 seconds |
| 01:50.38 | Ackis | NivFreak: at 60 I did :P |
| 01:50.43 | NivFreak | Ackis: the only thing that makes it a lot easier is shadow priests imo |
| 01:50.54 | NivFreak | increased MC range == easy pull |
| 01:51.10 | Ackis | 59 hit and 73 hit lol |
| 01:51.16 | Xinhuan | Zhinjio: because having 100000 commits in a project makes it hard to track when bugs was introduced |
| 01:51.24 | Venara | NivFreak: Why? i'm holy. just use Mind Soothe to begin ^^ |
| 01:51.28 | Zhinjio | and finally, my test of the packager will be an alpha commit which I unzip and test on. |
| 01:51.44 | NivFreak | Venara: We've had aggro issues every time if a holy priest does it, even with mind soothe |
| 01:51.46 | quiescens | doesn't it also make it hard to track when bugs are introduced if you do 1 huge commit at a time |
| 01:51.50 | Zhinjio | Xinhuan: sarcasm. I always test before I release. |
| 01:51.56 | NivFreak | Venara: I usually just run in and pull |
| 01:52.08 | Xinhuan | quiescens, need somewhere in between obviously :) |
| 01:52.17 | Venara | NivFreak: mh okay. never had problems myself with mind soothe, worked very nicely |
| 01:52.38 | Xinhuan | one code change, one commit, but if you have 5 commits on one single code change because of spelling, that's bad |
| 01:52.41 | NeoTron | Ackis: primarily it's easier because you don't have to care about LoS |
| 01:52.47 | quiescens | technically presumably easier with lots of small commits than the single large commit |
| 01:53.09 | quiescens | with multiple small commits its not like you have to go back one step at a time |
| 01:53.13 | NeoTron | also in the pull now he waits for a bit to attack while if I recall correctly in the 40-man he attacked right away |
| 01:53.26 | sylvanaar | something screws up the mcs though |
| 01:53.28 | Xinhuan | if the multiple small commits are related, they should really be grouped as 1 commit |
| 01:53.38 | sylvanaar | shadow aura or some DK aura |
| 01:53.39 | Xinhuan | which is what git is good at, it can handle it |
| 01:53.54 | Zhinjio | git makes my head hurt. |
| 01:54.01 | sylvanaar | oh git vs svn again |
| 01:54.07 | Zhinjio | and SVN is working for me. so *shrug* |
| 01:54.30 | Zhinjio | I'm not saying it doesn't have value. But I'm not going to fix what ain't broke. |
| 01:55.05 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Does that mean you're doing my German translations? |
| 01:55.08 | Torhal | ducks. |
| 01:56.05 | Zhinjio | am I? I am? |
| 01:56.06 | Zhinjio | yikes |
| 01:56.13 | Zhinjio | my german is ... not very good. |
| 01:56.29 | Torhal | You don't have a client to test against anyway |
| 01:56.31 | Torhal | :D |
| 01:56.39 | Zhinjio | correct. |
| 01:57.12 | Xinhuan | how's your darkmoon faire ackis ;p |
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| 01:59.25 | Xinhuan | [09:58:02] [2. Trade] [Brisane]: Thinking of making a twink? Tired of having to find groups for instances that take forever? Then you're in luck my friend! Running lowbies through Deadmines: 7g Shadowfang keep: 10g Stockades: 13g gnomer: 15g. Also all of the Scarlet monostary for 20g! |
| 01:59.27 | Xinhuan | i loled |
| 02:00.04 | NeoTron | the main thing I wonder is who would run someone through gnomer for 15g?! |
| 02:00.43 | NeoTron | if Brisane is doing that to make gold... well what can you say |
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| 02:05.21 | Zhinjio | ckknight: is there a way to clear out the current localizations entirely to start fresh? |
| 02:05.44 | ckknight | import a blank table in enUS, mark to clear out unused phrases |
| 02:05.52 | Zhinjio | *nods* |
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| 02:07.53 | Zhinjio | ckknight: interesting thing... |
| 02:08.02 | Zhinjio | http://www.wowace.com/projects/broker-hitcrit/localization/translators/ |
| 02:08.09 | Zhinjio | that shows phrases and percentages for stuff that no longer exists |
| 02:08.20 | Zhinjio | not sure how often that data is refreshed tho |
| 02:08.22 | ckknight | file a ticket |
| 02:08.26 | ckknight | it's instant |
| 02:08.30 | Zhinjio | hmm |
| 02:08.41 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 02:09.24 | Zhinjio | maybe its also referencing deleted phrases |
| 02:12.47 | Primer | Does anyone here have this: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=48025? |
| 02:13.01 | Primer | The dude that reported that my addon doesn't detect that mount tells me it STILL doesn't work |
| 02:13.21 | Primer | despite the fact that I added the proper unit aura to my code |
| 02:13.52 | Axodious | could it be because it counts as a flying and a ground mount Primer |
| 02:14.13 | Bruners | Primer: what addon is it btw? |
| 02:14.40 | Primer | Bruners: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/flight-hud.aspx |
| 02:14.53 | Primer | it must not be in the companions list then |
| 02:15.19 | Bruners | i believe haste got most of the mounts in his http://ixo.no/git/Noru.git/tree/noru.lua |
| 02:15.48 | Primer | All I need to detect are flying mounts |
| 02:16.12 | Primer | which I was able to scrape from http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=-5&filter=na=Outland+Northrend;ex=on |
| 02:16.41 | Primer | thing is, either the aura number is wrong, or it's not a companion |
| 02:17.44 | Primer | Bruners: Note that 24814 is not present in the URL you provided |
| 02:18.00 | Primer | yet 48025 is |
| 02:18.16 | Primer | dammit, I need blizz to give me one of those mounts so I can test! |
| 02:20.27 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * aaf5b13 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 02:20.29 | Repo | aaf5b13: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.curseforge.net:wow/pitbull4/mainline |
| 02:20.32 | Repo | 2af98fe: Make partypet frames actually work. |
| 02:20.51 | Zhinjio | ok, ckknight ... your suggestion for starting fresh on localizations doesn't work. |
| 02:21.02 | ckknight | why not? |
| 02:21.09 | Zhinjio | kiKR and frFR just popped back in again |
| 02:21.27 | Zhinjio | the deleted phrases are still there, lurking in the background waiting to popup |
| 02:21.52 | ckknight | yea, cause you added phrases with the same keys, it reclaimed em |
| 02:21.56 | Zhinjio | yup |
| 02:21.58 | ckknight | I could delete em manually for you |
| 02:22.07 | ckknight | it's annoying, though |
| 02:22.46 | Zhinjio | not asking you to do anything |
| 02:23.00 | Primer | ckknight: btw, I noticed something odd with PitBull. When I chose to add myself to party frames, I still had my exp bar in that frame, as if it was a copy of the player frame |
| 02:23.00 | Xinhuan | primer, maybe the mount has different buffIDs depending on area/zone |
| 02:23.05 | Primer | which...sucked |
| 02:23.13 | ckknight | PB3 or PB4? |
| 02:23.17 | Primer | Xinhuan: yeah, I'm thinking that |
| 02:23.23 | Primer | ckknight: uhhh |
| 02:23.41 | Primer | I didn't think PB4 was ready for prime time...so...probably 3, but I'll check |
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| 02:24.18 | ckknight | people use it, so I have to ask |
| 02:24.23 | Primer | sure |
| 02:24.39 | Primer | wish it was easily evident in PitBull.lua... |
| 02:24.55 | Zhinjio | you'd know if you were using pb4 |
| 02:24.58 | Primer | local VERSION = tonumber(("$Revision: 1870 $"):match("%d+")) |
| 02:25.09 | Arrowmaster | you are using 3 then |
| 02:25.15 | Arrowmaster | which he doesnt support |
| 02:25.21 | Primer | what a punk |
| 02:25.32 | Primer | Zhinjio: that much better? |
| 02:25.53 | Zhinjio | well, I think so. But at minimum, you'd have had to redo your config using the new UI |
| 02:25.56 | Zhinjio | so you'd know |
| 02:25.57 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 02:26.05 | Primer | yeah, that's suck big time |
| 02:26.10 | Primer | that'd even |
| 02:26.16 | Primer | ok, time to go home |
| 02:26.22 | Zhinjio | on a positive note: its much easier to do with the new one |
| 02:26.27 | Primer | cool |
| 02:26.31 | Primer | I'll have to check it out |
| 02:27.07 | ckknight | Primer: PB4 will release soon enough |
| 02:27.20 | ckknight | you can try it out |
| 02:27.23 | ckknight | just don't raid with it |
| 02:28.03 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * f5513eb Modules/HealthBar/HealthBar.lua: [+1 commit] make healthbar color work for units that are friendly but out of range (partypets) |
| 02:33.23 | Ackis | 5 seconds of lag makes instructor fun lol |
| 02:35.06 | NivFreak | I really hate that fight |
| 02:35.15 | NivFreak | I hate most gimmic fights though |
| 02:35.18 | NivFreak | like malygos |
| 02:35.32 | NivFreak | I swear, they need to stop putting vehicles in the fucking game |
| 02:35.49 | Xinhuan | why |
| 02:35.51 | FtH|Daemona | because pushing 1 1 2 3 1 1 2 3 is hard |
| 02:35.55 | Xinhuan | vehicles is a core game mechanic |
| 02:36.01 | NivFreak | because it's buggy |
| 02:36.09 | Xinhuan | maybe for addons |
| 02:36.12 | FtH|Daemona | btw. PTRs are brought down later today |
| 02:36.13 | NivFreak | FtH|Daemona: and I didn't say it was hard |
| 02:36.14 | Xinhuan | but default UI works fine |
| 02:36.25 | NivFreak | FtH|Daemona: I said I hate them |
| 02:36.36 | Xinhuan | i use the default vehicleUI that is |
| 02:36.40 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: For a nice example, try 10man raz and try to break the mindcontrol |
| 02:36.47 | NivFreak | with the default UI and no macros |
| 02:36.54 | Xinhuan | you just need to click the MC buff off |
| 02:36.54 | NivFreak | you have to right click the pet and dismiss |
| 02:36.56 | NivFreak | no |
| 02:37.01 | Xinhuan | you don't have to dismiss |
| 02:37.02 | NivFreak | that doesn't work |
| 02:37.06 | NivFreak | I have tried :P |
| 02:37.11 | Xinhuan | i'm told it does, weird |
| 02:37.17 | NivFreak | I actually macro it |
| 02:37.22 | NivFreak | and put it on an action bar |
| 02:37.26 | Repo | 10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio * r55 / (9 files in 3 directories): - added Docs |
| 02:37.28 | Repo | - switch to wowace localization |
| 02:37.30 | Gnarfoz | vehicle exit button :D |
| 02:37.34 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: it doesn't work |
| 02:37.50 | Gnarfoz | sure does, but that's not default UI, either |
| 02:38.00 | Xinhuan | is that even a vehicle? |
| 02:38.08 | FtH|Daemona | Gnarfoz are you on holiday? |
| 02:38.09 | Xinhuan | as far as i can tell, its a mind controlled mob |
| 02:38.13 | Xinhuan | and its not a vehicle |
| 02:38.26 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: you get an eject button on the possess bar iirc |
| 02:38.26 | doom0r | is clicking the mc buff off working perhaps because of an addon's function to remove an aura? |
| 02:38.27 | Xinhuan | no difference from say, MCing a player |
| 02:38.36 | Gnarfoz | FtH|Daemona: obviously not, as you can probably tell :) |
| 02:38.40 | Xinhuan | well possess != vehicle |
| 02:38.49 | FtH|Daemona | asking because you are around at 3:40am ;) |
| 02:38.52 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: it works very differently from MC :P |
| 02:39.00 | Gnarfoz | FtH|Daemona: as are you, dun dun dunnn :o |
| 02:39.04 | FtH|Daemona | trots of to grab 4 hours of sleep. |
| 02:39.05 | Xinhuan | you talking about 10-man or 25-man |
| 02:39.08 | Xinhuan | quite different ;p |
| 02:39.21 | Gnarfoz | FtH|Daemona: alarm set to 6:30~ish. :P |
| 02:39.30 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: I was refering to the 10man |
| 02:39.53 | FtH|Daemona | 7:00 / 7:15 / 7:30 ;) |
| 02:39.56 | Xinhuan | are you druid? hehe |
| 02:40.06 | NivFreak | no? |
| 02:40.10 | Xinhuan | then? |
| 02:40.16 | NivFreak | my main is a warrior |
| 02:41.35 | NivFreak | why does it matter? |
| 02:41.50 | Xinhuan | doesn't really matter |
| 02:42.11 | NivFreak | my 70 priest alt is in mostly t5 and made weak as 1750 rating in s2 |
| 02:42.19 | NivFreak | and has all t1! |
| 02:42.22 | NivFreak | Fear! |
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| 02:45.11 | Repo | 10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio 042.7.0-release * r56 : Tagging as 2.7.0-release |
| 02:49.58 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r4905 Northrend/Sartharion.lua: BigWigs: koKR Update |
| 02:53.37 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Owned. |
| 02:54.08 | Zhinjio | ?? |
| 02:54.19 | Torhal | Zhinjio: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=262004#post262004 |
| 02:55.21 | Xinhuan | mm wtb quartz replacement |
| 02:55.42 | Zhinjio | rockin |
| 02:55.48 | Greltok | I'm attempting to commit to my repository, but I get the error: svn: Commit failed (details follow): |
| 02:55.48 | Greltok | svn: Authorization failed". |
| 02:56.09 | Greltok | How do I get SVN to ask for my password? |
| 02:56.20 | doom0r | talk dirty |
| 02:56.25 | doom0r | it'll want your digits |
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| 02:58.59 | Torhal | doom0r: It might want an ICQ number. |
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| 02:59.19 | doom0r | only 50yr old nerds still use ICQ |
| 03:00.04 | doom0r | especially since EVERYTHING becomes their property that goes over their network |
| 03:00.36 | doom0r | comcast has a similar clause btw |
| 03:00.50 | doom0r | wonder if i'm the only person that's ever read the fine print |
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| 03:04.28 | ckknight | Greltok: for one, what url are you going to? |
| 03:07.03 | Gnarfoz | doom0r: they can have my encrypted IMs |
| 03:07.36 | Xinhuan | anyone know's windows 7 download size? |
| 03:08.05 | doom0r | well, following trend, i would presume about 80 gigs |
| 03:08.55 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 5c7a51e / (4 files in 3 directories): [+1 commit] Fix http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/tickets/77-flashing-text-with-outline/ |
| 03:11.18 | doom0r | Xinhuan: lifehackers says 2.4GB |
| 03:11.29 | doom0r | lifehacker* |
| 03:11.48 | Repo | 10mobile-vault: 03Starinnia 06starinnia * r76 Core.lua: little bit more done, fleshed out page scanning |
| 03:11.59 | ckknight | Stanzilla: see last commit |
| 03:14.45 | doom0r | omfg, this is hilarious |
| 03:15.35 | doom0r | The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has discovered through our intelligence Monitoring Network that you eligible to receive the sum of $7.5 Million USD from the National Lottery Program. |
| 03:15.52 | Repo | 10head-count: 03seppyk * r73 / (8 files in 2 directories): HeadCount: |
| 03:15.54 | Repo | - Added manual loot addition. |
| 03:15.58 | Repo | - Added loot cost to member information display. |
| 03:16.00 | Repo | - Fixed The Four Horsemen boss kill tracking issue. |
| 03:16.11 | ckknight | doom0r: lol |
| 03:18.44 | doom0r | wow, they let the worst crap come through on my hotmail account, but block the message from redhat |
| 03:20.01 | Bruners | get gmail |
| 03:20.19 | quiescens | but what about your 7.5 million dollars? |
| 03:20.26 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 428e7df Options (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Rename Modules in the Layout Editor to Other, since it only shows a small subset of modules. |
| 03:20.37 | doom0r | uh |
| 03:20.41 | doom0r | i have 2 gmail accounts, thanks |
| 03:21.06 | Bruners | and you continue to use hotmail because its so great? |
| 03:21.07 | Bruners | :P |
| 03:21.07 | doom0r | doesn't mean my decade old hotmail is going away |
| 03:21.20 | doom0r | i have things that i can't swtich out of there |
| 03:21.32 | Bruners | like ? |
| 03:21.44 | quiescens | I see no particular reason to intentionally drop old email addresses if I don't have to |
| 03:21.48 | doom0r | old accounts at places that i can't switch the email |
| 03:22.02 | doom0r | plus i let crap go there |
| 03:22.09 | doom0r | intentionally |
| 03:22.44 | Bruners | if i cant import it to gmail i drop them |
| 03:24.06 | doom0r | ... |
| 03:26.20 | Bruners | 40vs10 AV \o/ |
| 03:27.51 | Xinhuan | bg9 bruners? |
| 03:27.59 | Bruners | nr 1 |
| 03:28.03 | Bruners | the one and only |
| 03:28.29 | Xinhuan | horde wins all AV, but alliance wins all sota ;p |
| 03:28.31 | Bruners | or did you mean battlegroup |
| 03:28.35 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 03:29.01 | Bruners | im still on EU :P but think its blackout |
| 03:32.10 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * ec5558c / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Some portrait fixes |
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| 03:37.18 | Bruners | what is libstub all about ? |
| 03:37.32 | doom0r | loading libraries |
| 03:37.55 | Xinhuan | it is a library used by most libraries to manage library versioning |
| 03:38.21 | Bruners | to check what addon got the most resent version ? |
| 03:38.27 | Xinhuan | no |
| 03:38.36 | Xinhuan | its as simple as what i said - manages library versioning |
| 03:38.46 | Xinhuan | the code in libstub.lua is only about 15 lines |
| 03:38.53 | Bruners | recent even |
| 03:39.03 | Xinhuan | it doesn't do that |
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| 03:39.21 | Xinhuan | it just stores references to the latest version |
| 03:40.16 | Bruners | meh, i dont get it |
| 03:40.29 | Xinhuan | libstub has a internal table |
| 03:40.44 | Xinhuan | table["library name"] = (the reference to that library) |
| 03:40.58 | Xinhuan | and a second table with the version number |
| 03:40.59 | Xinhuan | that's all |
| 03:41.09 | Xinhuan | it doesn't do anything else |
| 03:42.10 | doom0r | without the semantics, yes, it does what you said bruners, effectively |
| 03:42.28 | Xinhuan | no it doesn't doom0r |
| 03:42.38 | Xinhuan | "to check what addon got the most resent version ?" it doesn't do that at all |
| 03:43.37 | Xinhuan | it doesn't check what addon has the most recent version - all it does is maintain a reference to the latest one - which addon it comes from isn't relevant or recorded |
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| 03:44.29 | Bruners | Xinhuan: so other addons can ask libstub where to find a lib then ? |
| 03:44.35 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 03:44.45 | Bruners | thats about what i ment |
| 03:44.53 | Xinhuan | local lsm = LibStub("LibSharedmedia-3.0") |
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| 03:45.02 | Xinhuan | that asks libstub for a reference to that library |
| 03:45.05 | Bruners | just me being bad at english i gues :P |
| 03:45.23 | doom0r | no, it's someone arguing semantics for an end effect vs what the process to get there is |
| 03:45.49 | Xinhuan | well he's a programmer, and programmers require specific answers |
| 03:45.54 | Xinhuan | so semantics do matter :) |
| 03:46.29 | doom0r | what's the purpose of using libstub, so you can find a new version of a library and upgrade |
| 03:46.38 | doom0r | so that would be checking what addon has the most recent version |
| 03:46.45 | Xinhuan | not at all |
| 03:47.05 | Xinhuan | the way libstub works is when you register for a new library with a given version number, it checks its current version and see if its newer or not |
| 03:47.15 | Xinhuan | if its newer, it returns nil -- no upgrades needed |
| 03:47.21 | Bruners | but without using libstub wouldnt the most recent version of libraryx be loaded anyway ? |
| 03:47.36 | Xinhuan | if its not newer, it returns the referece, so you have the reference to do lib upgrading |
| 03:47.41 | Xinhuan | no bruners |
| 03:47.56 | Xinhuan | an older version can overwrite a newer one without version number checking |
| 03:48.04 | Bruners | i see |
| 03:48.06 | Xinhuan | the purpose of libstub is just to check the version number |
| 03:48.18 | Xinhuan | which incidentally, any library can also do by itself, without using libstub |
| 03:48.28 | Xinhuan | libstub is just a "established method" |
| 03:49.14 | Bruners | good good, no i dont have to feel bad for using libstub and not knowing what it really did :P |
| 03:49.26 | Xinhuan | or you can just read the 15 line code in it |
| 03:49.28 | Xinhuan | to see what it does |
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| 03:50.22 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 79fd23e Modules/Portrait/Portrait.lua: [+1 commit] a frame after setting a 3d portrait, verify that the model exists, if not, clear and update again. This fixes http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/tickets/38-portrait-refresh-updating/ |
| 03:50.59 | Bruners | Xinhuan: i did, but it didnt make that much sense when i first read it |
| 03:51.16 | Xinhuan | it'll make a lot more sense when you open actual libraries |
| 03:51.47 | Xinhuan | for example, AceAddon-3.0 |
| 03:51.49 | Xinhuan | first 3 lines |
| 03:51.51 | Xinhuan | local MAJOR, MINOR = "AceAddon-3.0", 5 |
| 03:51.51 | Xinhuan | local AceAddon, oldminor = LibStub:NewLibrary(MAJOR, MINOR) |
| 03:51.51 | Xinhuan | if not AceAddon then return end -- No Upgrade needed. |
| 03:53.41 | Xinhuan | basically, if a newer version already exists, return nothing, and do nothing |
| 03:53.59 | Xinhuan | otherwise do lib upgrading - by overwriting the older functions with the newer ones |
| 03:54.08 | Xinhuan | the library then does reembedding (at the very end) |
| 03:54.20 | Xinhuan | see last 3 lines |
| 03:54.28 | Xinhuan | to update function references |
| 03:54.37 | Xinhuan | and so the old functions gets GCed |
| 03:59.23 | Bruners | Xinhuan: and the version is for aceaddon is then 5 ? local MAJOR, MINOR = "AceAddon-3.0", 5 |
| 03:59.27 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 03:59.32 | Xinhuan | the version number is indeed, 5 |
| 03:59.55 | Xinhuan | in ace3's case, the developers opted for a hardcoded version number |
| 03:59.59 | Xinhuan | instead of the svn revision number |
| 04:01.02 | Xinhuan | basically, once a library is created, (libstub returns a empty {} table) |
| 04:01.10 | Xinhuan | that table is that library for life |
| 04:01.21 | ckknight | fo' life, g. |
| 04:01.43 | Bruners | what date you got ckknight ? |
| 04:01.49 | ckknight | chia... |
| 04:03.15 | Arrowmaster | Bruners: you arent Greltok are you? |
| 04:03.25 | Greltok | ... |
| 04:03.26 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: not that i know of |
| 04:03.32 | Arrowmaster | oh hes here |
| 04:03.42 | Bruners | one more day of 4chan ban :( |
| 04:03.43 | Greltok | What's up? |
| 04:03.43 | Arrowmaster | Greltok: you fail at libstub, you code is broken |
| 04:04.23 | Greltok | How so? |
| 04:05.08 | Xinhuan | [1/16 12:00:51] <Xinhuan> basically, once a library is created, (libstub returns a empty {} table) |
| 04:05.14 | Xinhuan | you populate that table with your library's methds |
| 04:05.20 | Xinhuan | overwriting them as necessary |
| 04:05.21 | Bruners | Xinhuan: so by not using libstub in my addon named xinhuan, thus loaded last, it would fuck up loads of things if i used the first alpha of ace3? |
| 04:05.46 | Xinhuan | no? |
| 04:05.53 | Xinhuan | because all addons come with their own copy of ace3 |
| 04:06.21 | Xinhuan | if addonX comes with version4 (which works), and addonY comes with version5 |
| 04:06.28 | Xinhuan | then if X loads first, then Y |
| 04:06.34 | Xinhuan | Y's copy will update X's v5 |
| 04:06.44 | Xinhuan | if Y loads first, then X's copy doesn't do anything |
| 04:07.11 | Xinhuan | as it is, v5 of the library must of course be backwards compatible with v4 |
| 04:07.12 | Arrowmaster | Greltok: libstub doesnt have an oldlib, thats librock |
| 04:07.29 | Xinhuan | also the 2nd return value is a version number |
| 04:07.32 | Xinhuan | not a table |
| 04:07.40 | Xinhuan | oldlib is a number in this case |
| 04:07.44 | Xinhuan | so its a misleading variable name |
| 04:07.45 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it's also Ace2 |
| 04:07.54 | Bruners | Xinhuan: but if i didnt use libstub |
| 04:08.05 | ckknight | Xinhuan: use LibStub |
| 04:08.09 | ckknight | err |
| 04:08.12 | ckknight | Bruners: use LibStub |
| 04:08.19 | Xinhuan | not sure where you are going bruners |
| 04:08.34 | Xinhuan | if you use any library that uses libstub - libstub must load first, or those libraries won't work |
| 04:08.55 | Xinhuan | if your addon doesn't use any library that uses libstub, then by all means don't |
| 04:09.47 | Greltok | Hm. Ok. |
| 04:09.53 | Bruners | if i for some wierd reason didnt like libstub and removed it from the library and made it launch with my addon that loads last, would it then fuck up things? :p |
| 04:09.56 | Bruners | ill stop now |
| 04:10.02 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 04:10.19 | Xinhuan | because all other addons expect libstub to be there |
| 04:10.21 | Xinhuan | in the code |
| 04:10.29 | Greltok | So it should local lib, oldminor = ... |
| 04:10.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 04:10.35 | Greltok | And I shouldn't be using oldlib fo that. |
| 04:10.51 | Xinhuan | also Greltok, in MOST cases, you won't ever need the 2nd return value |
| 04:10.52 | Arrowmaster | and lib.x = lib.x or x |
| 04:10.53 | Greltok | ie lib.myVersions = lib.myVersions or {} |
| 04:10.59 | Xinhuan | unless you need version number specific upgrades |
| 04:11.02 | Greltok | Did that change? |
| 04:11.09 | Greltok | I could have sworn that's how it used to be. |
| 04:11.24 | Xinhuan | in ace2, it returned you a new table + the old table |
| 04:11.34 | Xinhuan | in libstub, it just returns you the same table - every time |
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| 04:13.09 | Xinhuan | once you understand that, it should be easy :) |
| 04:13.46 | Arrowmaster | ill probably have hell to pay on monday, i just ditched my guild over 2 hours into a raid |
| 04:14.04 | Xinhuan | ditched means - /gquit, or raidquit? |
| 04:14.08 | Arrowmaster | raidquit |
| 04:14.10 | Arrowmaster | and logged |
| 04:14.51 | Arrowmaster | lagged to hell and weve been wiping on 3drake sarth all night |
| 04:14.57 | Bruners | alt+F4 would work better :P |
| 04:15.03 | Bruners | or just pull the cord |
| 04:15.16 | Arrowmaster | i just told them i was leaving and logged |
| 04:15.24 | quiescens | ya srsly |
| 04:15.43 | quiescens | if you have to go just say you're going imo |
| 04:16.42 | quiescens | hmm |
| 04:16.59 | quiescens | with teh updated grid, is every single module going to have to be updated or is it only certain types of modules |
| 04:17.06 | Greltok | Committed a fix (hopefully). |
| 04:17.15 | Bruners | anyone got a clue why my numpads /, *, -, + isnt working with putty? |
| 04:17.17 | Greltok | I appreciate the heads up. |
| 04:17.21 | Arrowmaster | they know i was lying though when i said the lag was unplayable for me and logged, but seriously over 2 fucking hours of wipes and many many deaths from void zones that people arent even near, or just raid wide lockups isnt fun |
| 04:17.33 | quiescens | ooh that's a troublesome issue bruners |
| 04:17.34 | Bruners | or its working just not when i attach the screen |
| 04:17.45 | Xinhuan | what does your lib do btw? |
| 04:17.45 | quiescens | yeah |
| 04:18.15 | quiescens | something to do with application numpad somethingorather I forget |
| 04:19.21 | Greltok | My lib? It makes it easy to add version checking to addons. |
| 04:19.21 | Greltok | Synced using the addon channels. |
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| 04:19.24 | quiescens | and um |
| 04:19.24 | quiescens | its more, screen than putty |
| 04:19.44 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 04:19.54 | ckknight | why the hell doesn't Blizz provide us with translations for classes? I shouldn't have to localize "Death Knight" manually |
| 04:19.54 | Greltok | brb |
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| 04:20.36 | Bruners | quiescens: yeah its screen not putty :P |
| 04:20.38 | Greltok | back |
| 04:20.51 | quiescens | lol |
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| 04:21.25 | Bruners | can it be UTF8 bullcrap? |
| 04:21.36 | Bruners | the + returns a , |
| 04:22.16 | Greltok | Arrowmaster & Xinhuan: does that look better? |
| 04:22.26 | Xinhuan | i haven't actually looked at it |
| 04:22.27 | Bruners | shouldnt be as both irssi and the screen is started with it |
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| 04:22.49 | Xinhuan | because if Arrowmaster says its ok, its ok :) |
| 04:24.28 | Arrowmaster | the lib only works if the addon supplies the version to the lib though right? |
| 04:24.49 | Arrowmaster | no its terminfo |
| 04:25.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 04:25.09 | Arrowmaster | the libstub usage is |
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| 04:26.22 | Greltok | Arrowmaster: Yes, it's opt-in. |
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| 04:26.40 | Xinhuan | slaps irc.freenode.net around with a large trout |
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| 04:27.44 | Shirik | owned |
| 04:27.52 | Shirik | I don't think Repo likes netsplits |
| 04:31.52 | quiescens | I don't remember what/why but screen ends up in application keypad mode |
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| 04:38.18 | Primer | ok, the only thing I can guess now is that the headless horseman's mount is NOT a companion |
| 04:38.42 | Xinhuan | but it is |
| 04:38.46 | ckknight | Shefki: ping |
| 04:42.18 | Shefki | ckknight: pong |
| 04:42.27 | ckknight | Shefki: adding the colors pane now :-) |
| 04:42.34 | Shefki | Great. |
| 04:42.40 | ckknight | and PitBull4.defaultModulePrototype:SetColorOptionsFunction |
| 04:42.49 | Shefki | Sounds good. |
| 04:43.05 | Shefki | I added Temp Weapon Enchants today to Aura. |
| 04:43.32 | Shefki | Hope to finish up on Aura this weekend and then mess with VisualHeal. |
| 04:43.38 | pompy1 | that bug associated with thaddius got me :\ |
| 04:43.41 | Shefki | I have several ideas for improvement. |
| 04:43.47 | Repo | 10hazloot: 03MightyHaz * r12 / (4 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 04:43.49 | Repo | Converted to a state machine for suicides, added a step to process: |
| 04:43.52 | Repo | /hl next |
| 04:43.54 | Repo | /hl lastcall (or lc) |
| 04:43.57 | Repo | /hl offspec (or os) |
| 04:44.35 | Repo | 10hazloot: 03MightyHaz * r13 HazLoot.toc: Removed optional dep on tekDebug until I get it to work :D |
| 04:44.42 | ckknight | Shefki: cool |
| 04:44.50 | ckknight | Shefki: I think I figured out how I'm gonna do raid frames, finally |
| 04:44.59 | ckknight | in a way that will be immensely configurable |
| 04:45.15 | ckknight | while still being maintainable for us ;-) |
| 04:45.30 | Repo | 10hazloot: 03MightyHaz 040.1.1-alpha-stable * r14 : Tagging as 0.1.1-alpha-stable |
| 04:45.32 | Repo | Pretty much works, kind of. Bit ropey in places. Make use of /hl reset or /hl fullreset. |
| 04:46.08 | Shefki | ckknight: I'm still trying to work out filters... Probably will get sorting done soon. |
| 04:46.17 | ckknight | cool stuff |
| 04:46.29 | Bruners | installs PB4 |
| 04:47.12 | Bruners | the latest build i stable ? |
| 04:48.25 | Bruners | enough to work |
| 04:48.55 | ckknight | no builds should be broken |
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| 04:51.22 | Bruners | ugg, moving frames with someone joining raid is not good |
| 04:51.37 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:51.45 | ckknight | technically, that'll be a non-issue for PB4 |
| 04:51.50 | ckknight | once I implement raid frames |
| 04:51.54 | ckknight | (only party currently) |
| 04:53.13 | ckknight | Shefki: I'm adding a Reset to Defaults button for class colors |
| 04:53.19 | ckknight | I think it'd be a good idea to have that for all color panes |
| 04:53.22 | ckknight | thoughts? |
| 04:54.16 | Bruners | is it partytargets that keeps popping up ? |
| 04:54.25 | Bruners | not linked |
| 04:54.56 | ckknight | popping up? |
| 04:55.03 | ckknight | in what? |
| 04:55.33 | Bruners | im AB and some targets pops up on my screen |
| 04:56.12 | ckknight | what addon? |
| 04:56.26 | Repo | 10mtarget: 03gameldar * r10 MTarget.lua: Added command to reset/delete templates. |
| 04:56.27 | ckknight | PitBull4? |
| 04:56.31 | ckknight | if so, don't use it in AB |
| 04:56.38 | Bruners | http://ui.ipwn.se/i/320.jpg |
| 04:56.39 | ckknight | PitBull4's not supposed to be used in raids yet |
| 04:56.39 | Repo | Added command to broadcast variables (manually rather than automatically) |
| 04:56.42 | Repo | Added support for batch sending of variables (so only one write of the macros) |
| 04:56.44 | Repo | Changed the text on the Create Template button to just template since it was too long. |
| 04:56.55 | ckknight | Bruners: I don't know, change to config mode to see |
| 04:57.23 | Shefki | ckknight: Fine by me on the reset thingy. |
| 04:58.11 | Bruners | aha, partypets and partypetstarget |
| 05:01.39 | Bruners | ckknight: so make a new layout and put it on each frame i want that layout on ? |
| 05:01.46 | ckknight | correct |
| 05:02.12 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 6ff2150 / (5 files in 3 directories): [+1 commit] add a Colors section. Make HealthBar use it. Currently only allows overrides for class. |
| 05:02.18 | ckknight | Shefki: ^-- |
| 05:02.58 | Shefki | ckknight: As much as the idea of inheritance seems like a good idea. I think it's not really worth it. What we've got now seems like the best solution. It allows simple config for people who don't want to mess with a separate config for everything and lots of ocnfigurability for people willing to put the time in. |
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| 05:03.06 | Shefki | ckknight: Nice. :) |
| 05:03.14 | ckknight | yea, I'm not sure, though |
| 05:03.25 | ckknight | we'll see |
| 05:03.28 | Repo | 10ipop-bar: 03Xinhuan * r68 IPopBar.lua: |
| 05:03.30 | Repo | Fix overlapping micro menu buttons if you zone while being in a vehicle. |
| 05:03.31 | ckknight | but I don't plan on changing it soon |
| 05:03.49 | Shefki | I don't see how we could hope to do inheritance easily with AceConfig. |
| 05:04.19 | Shefki | It's require a bunch of very convoluted set/get functions. |
| 05:04.35 | ckknight | that's true |
| 05:05.22 | Shefki | I sorta did something like that with the weapon buffs checkbox. |
| 05:05.33 | Shefki | It unchecks and disables itself if buffs are turned off. |
| 05:05.47 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * c24fcec Options/Colors.lua: [+1 commit] add a separator between the colors and the reset button. |
| 05:05.51 | ckknight | okay |
| 05:06.18 | Shefki | If we did it we'd need to provide a standard set of get/set functions to deal with it though. |
| 05:06.23 | Bruners | ckknight: looks good |
| 05:06.29 | ckknight | :-) |
| 05:06.33 | ckknight | Shefki: *shudder* |
| 05:06.34 | ckknight | true |
| 05:06.44 | ckknight | and getters in all the code |
| 05:06.44 | Bruners | ckknight: bit messy config at first glance |
| 05:06.52 | ckknight | Bruners: better than PB3! |
| 05:06.58 | ckknight | Bruners: though I'm open to suggestions |
| 05:07.06 | Shefki | Bruners: There's only so much you can do with so many options. |
| 05:07.11 | Bruners | i liked the config in PB3 :P |
| 05:07.21 | ckknight | no you didn't! |
| 05:07.22 | ckknight | lies! |
| 05:07.29 | Shefki | I think there's two classes of users: |
| 05:07.37 | Bruners | actually i did |
| 05:07.44 | Shefki | 1) Power users that want to tweak every frame down to the last detail. PB3 is great for these people. |
| 05:07.49 | ckknight | Bruners: well, things are more sanely laid out |
| 05:07.57 | Axodious | i liked the pb3 config, but i like the pb4 config more |
| 05:08.01 | ckknight | hey, I still want to appeal to those people |
| 05:08.03 | Shefki | 2) Average users that want to config some stuff but mostly want global configuration. |
| 05:08.08 | Bruners | but as i said, first glance |
| 05:08.15 | ckknight | Bruners: well, play with it |
| 05:08.19 | Shefki | If group 2 is larger than group 1 then PB4 is better. |
| 05:08.23 | ckknight | Bruners: you may just not like it cause you're used to the first |
| 05:08.28 | Shefki | If group 1 is larger than group 2 then the design of PB3 is better. |
| 05:08.58 | Shefki | I'd imagine group 1 is larger right now simply because PB3 was so favorible to those people. |
| 05:09.04 | quiescens | points bruners |
| 05:09.12 | quiescens | er |
| 05:09.14 | Shefki | But overall of WoW players in general I think group 2 is the biggest group. |
| 05:09.14 | quiescens | pokes bruners |
| 05:09.25 | Bruners | quiescens: que ? |
| 05:09.31 | Axodious | well, most people got PB* because of the configuration |
| 05:09.33 | quiescens | couple of options |
| 05:09.41 | quiescens | depends on where you want to make the change |
| 05:09.57 | Repo | 10ipop-bar: 03Xinhuan * r69 / (3 files in 1 directory): Update version to v3.04 |
| 05:10.04 | quiescens | you can add a line or two to your screenrc, or you can change your terminal to disable application keypad mode |
| 05:10.10 | Shefki | Axodious: And it's all still possible to do. You just might have to do a tad more work to reach to level of configuration that's in PB3. |
| 05:10.25 | Repo | 10ipop-bar: 03Xinhuan 04v3.04 * r70 : Tag v3.04 |
| 05:10.32 | ckknight | um, how so? |
| 05:10.43 | Shefki | ckknight: You've got to make a bunch of layouts. |
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| 05:10.45 | ckknight | outside of making a new layout per frame (which most power users wouldn't necessarily do anyway) |
| 05:10.46 | Axodious | hey, like i said, i like the pb4 config more ;o |
| 05:10.56 | ckknight | oh well |
| 05:10.56 | quiescens | suppose putty identifies itself as xterm, then you can add a line to your screenrc like "termcapinfo xterm 'ks='" |
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| 05:11.23 | Shefki | ckknight: Don't get me wrong I think you're right. A lot of users won't make that many layouts and so in the end it'll be better. |
| 05:11.37 | quiescens | alternatively, right click putty's titlebar, go to terminal->features, and check disable application keypad |
| 05:11.53 | Xinhuan | actually Axodious, i suspect its not because of the configuration, but more so that the alternatives "look like shit" but that's in the realm of pure opinion |
| 05:12.14 | Bruners | quiescens: thanks, disable application keypad worked |
| 05:12.18 | Axodious | most of the people i know use xperl because the config of PB is too confusing |
| 05:12.33 | Shefki | Yup I hear that a lot. |
| 05:12.43 | Shefki | A lot of people in my guild are "I'll use PB if you configure it for me." |
| 05:12.48 | Axodious | same |
| 05:13.07 | Bruners | Shefki: not a bunch, i would need about 5 or 6 :P |
| 05:13.51 | Bruners | quiescens: i will write that down in my notebook! |
| 05:13.56 | quiescens | I preferred changing screenrc because I get the same problem when I just open an xterm and connect using a normal ssh |
| 05:16.04 | Bruners | quiescens: both methods worked :) |
| 05:16.14 | quiescens | yeah |
| 05:16.25 | quiescens | I said either one works, just depends on whether you want to change the server or the client |
| 05:16.47 | ckknight | Shefki: eventually, I do plan to add super-simple layout sharing |
| 05:16.55 | ckknight | Shefki: which will be _far_ more viable in PB4 than PB3 |
| 05:16.59 | quiescens | or well, sometimes you might only have permissions to change one or the other |
| 05:17.07 | Axodious | ckknight i was actually just wondering about that |
| 05:17.11 | Bruners | ckknight: did the layout sharing ever work in PB3? |
| 05:17.15 | ckknight | yes |
| 05:17.16 | ckknight | for a week |
| 05:17.17 | Bruners | ckknight: other than sharing the lua |
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| 05:17.42 | quiescens | I zipped up lua files and sent them to people |
| 05:17.43 | quiescens | nodnod |
| 05:17.48 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:18.07 | ckknight | I'll make a proper import/export for forums and the like |
| 05:18.15 | Axodious | sweet |
| 05:18.19 | Rayden | why must it always be the other feral druids in my guild who are the first to respond to any heroic invite i make |
| 05:18.20 | ckknight | and possibly a broadcast system for in-guild |
| 05:18.26 | Rayden | i don't want you rolling on my gear! |
| 05:18.30 | Axodious | ckknight, stop reading my mind o_O |
| 05:18.40 | ckknight | so that you'd just open up the thing |
| 05:18.49 | ckknight | see who in-guild has PitBull layouts they're broadcasting |
| 05:18.56 | ckknight | steal them at whim |
| 05:19.04 | quiescens | omg you stole my layout |
| 05:19.50 | Shefki | ckknight: You're just looking for an excuse to use LibJSON. :P |
| 05:19.52 | ckknight | and to the people who think it's a privacy issue: fuck you, your guild must suck balls if you worry about sharing your damn UI with your guildmates |
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| 05:20.03 | ckknight | Shefki: no, that's for a super-secret project Kaelten and I are working on |
| 05:20.16 | Bruners | ckknight: what about linking frames to each other ? |
| 05:20.35 | ckknight | Bruners: attaching frames to other frames? no current plans |
| 05:20.36 | Bruners | ckknight: as in if you move player frame you move target and tot, tototot |
| 05:21.45 | quiescens | you have to cater for the pedants that are worried their target frame is 1px below their player frame |
| 05:21.50 | quiescens | its a key market demographic |
| 05:22.02 | Bruners | ckknight: something i would really like to see is the coords thingie you got on the parrot config |
| 05:22.19 | ckknight | ah |
| 05:22.26 | ckknight | well, you can manually specify specific coords in PB4 |
| 05:22.51 | quiescens | see, he's already done |
| 05:24.16 | Xinhuan | only thing is ckknight, do you thing its inscope/outofscope for a unit frame addon to even use the comms channel? :) |
| 05:24.40 | ckknight | Xinhuan: that'd only happen if they're in the specific part of the options system |
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| 05:24.47 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 05:24.50 | Bruners | i miss the alt click on frame to open rock :( |
| 05:24.58 | ckknight | Bruners: soz |
| 05:24.59 | ckknight | :P |
| 05:25.00 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.12 | Xinhuan | i bind alt-click to menu hehe |
| 05:25.16 | Xinhuan | via clique |
| 05:25.44 | quiescens | some druid I know bound right click to lifebloom |
| 05:25.49 | Bruners | the alt click on frame was really handy really |
| 05:25.51 | quiescens | and then couldn't work out how to leave raid |
| 05:25.55 | ckknight | Xinhuan: so if they're in that section of the menu, it'll ping your guild and ask "Hai guise, gotz any layoutz", they'd ping back "Yep" or "Nope" |
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| 05:26.01 | quiescens | they kept lifeblooming themselves |
| 05:26.15 | ckknight | and a list of what they have if yes |
| 05:26.20 | Shefki | Bruners: That alt click stuff was terribly annoying for people using click casting mods. |
| 05:26.22 | Xinhuan | ya ckknight, but that requires all PB4 users to be listening to the comms channel in the first place |
| 05:26.37 | ckknight | Xinhuan: true, but at least we have namespaces. |
| 05:26.39 | Bruners | Shefki: i do understand that :P |
| 05:26.42 | ckknight | just a simple if check |
| 05:26.44 | Xinhuan | which has a small (but probably negligible) overhead |
| 05:26.47 | Shefki | Bruners: I finally went through and bound everything that was a modifier + right click in Clique to stop it from showing up. |
| 05:26.55 | ckknight | Xinhuan: with namespaces, it's negligible |
| 05:27.06 | ckknight | and only the ping would be guild-wide |
| 05:27.09 | ckknight | after that, it'd be whisper |
| 05:27.10 | Xinhuan | well it requires you to package in acecomm ;p |
| 05:27.13 | Xinhuan | unless you dont' use it |
| 05:27.14 | ckknight | true. |
| 05:27.23 | ckknight | I'll probably not implement that part for a while, tbh |
| 05:27.26 | ckknight | just the forum import/export |
| 05:27.30 | Bruners | please dont make the config go away if you go into combat |
| 05:27.38 | Bruners | most annoying thing ever |
| 05:27.45 | ckknight | Bruners: combat just turns off config mode |
| 05:27.48 | ckknight | you can still config, though |
| 05:27.52 | ckknight | unless you do bad stuff |
| 05:27.53 | Xinhuan | that's difficult since half the config stuff doesn't work in combat |
| 05:27.53 | Shefki | Bruners: Umm... why? |
| 05:27.54 | ckknight | like move frames |
| 05:28.08 | Xinhuan | most config stuff is only doable when ooc |
| 05:28.15 | ckknight | that's very false, Xinhuan |
| 05:28.24 | ckknight | only moving, resizing, creating new frames, removing frames |
| 05:28.28 | Bruners | i hated it when i was looking at the config while in AV and bang its gone |
| 05:28.31 | ckknight | altering the controls on frames is no issue |
| 05:29.25 | Xinhuan | hmm i suppose |
| 05:30.29 | ckknight | the way PitBull4 works is that if you try to alter them, it will do nothing until combat exists |
| 05:30.30 | ckknight | exits* |
| 05:30.34 | ckknight | at which point, it'll change |
| 05:30.41 | Bruners | when will blizzard fix the set focus menu |
| 05:30.45 | Xinhuan | doesn't that mean you need to "queue" changes |
| 05:30.52 | Xinhuan | to be applied on going ooc |
| 05:31.43 | ckknight | yea, that's what happens |
| 05:32.02 | ckknight | Bruners: 3.0.8 |
| 05:32.05 | ckknight | I wrap the functions in an out of combat check |
| 05:33.03 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 1df5ce0 / (4 files in 4 directories): [+1 commit] Add changing power colors. Make PowerBar and DruidManaBar use it. |
| 05:33.23 | Bruners | will they fix the rest of the secure bull crap aswell ? |
| 05:33.46 | ckknight | bullcrap? |
| 05:34.03 | Bruners | partypets, veichle etc |
| 05:34.07 | ckknight | you must be specific |
| 05:34.13 | ckknight | not to my knowledge |
| 05:34.21 | ckknight | no special vehicle support yet |
| 05:37.17 | Repo | 10eggtimer: 03jokeyrhyme * r26 EggTimer.lua: EggTimer: |
| 05:37.19 | Repo | - possible fix for ShowConfig error |
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| 05:42.14 | Xinhuan | http://googlevideo.blogspot.com/2009/01/turning-down-uploads-at-google-video.html |
| 05:42.28 | Xinhuan | google video is stopping uploads to it hehe |
| 05:43.09 | Xinhuan | they recommend youtube now |
| 05:43.12 | Xinhuan | after buying it i guess |
| 05:43.21 | quiescens | not much point competing with yourself? |
| 05:43.28 | Torhal | Bruners: I know everything with UIDropDownMenu will be fixed. |
| 05:43.44 | Torhal | But as to the other stuff, check wowcompares...I didn't look yet |
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| 05:58.51 | Bruners | woo new Lost season next week |
| 05:58.59 | Shirik | seriously |
| 05:59.02 | Shirik | what do people see in that show |
| 06:00.06 | Bruners | its time consuming |
| 06:00.41 | Shirik | so is raiding 25 mans with chronic lag |
| 06:00.44 | Shirik | doesn't make it fun :P |
| 06:00.57 | Shefki | I've tried to watch that show and all I can say is WTF whenever I see it. |
| 06:00.57 | Shirik | Though admittedly it does bring an interesting new challenge to the game |
| 06:01.38 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 89d940c / (4 files in 4 directories): [+1 commit] add reaction color options. Make the reputation bar and health bar use it. |
| 06:01.38 | Shefki | Shirik: It does create more of a challenge but it's well past an acceptable issue and getting to the point that I have seriously thought about canceling my account and playing another game until they can actually fix it. |
| 06:01.59 | ckknight | Bruners: what is with the 4-toed foot? |
| 06:02.00 | ckknight | srsly |
| 06:02.18 | Greltok | If I wish to delete one of my projects, what's the best way to do so? |
| 06:02.22 | Bruners | ckknight: 4-toed foot? |
| 06:02.36 | ckknight | Bruners: end of season 2, when they were going to get walt or something |
| 06:02.45 | ckknight | they saw a 4-toed foot of a giant statue |
| 06:02.49 | doom0r | World of Warcraft now supports 3-D imaging. Visit http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vision_Main.html for more information. |
| 06:02.57 | Bruners | ckknight: cant recall that part |
| 06:02.58 | Shefki | Plus Blizzard's response is starting to be ridiculous. "We'll fix it with 3.0.8." Meanwhile they're adding crap like what doom0r just posted. |
| 06:03.08 | Bruners | ckknight: season 2 or 3? |
| 06:03.09 | ckknight | Greltok: a moderator can delete it or you can mark it as abandoned |
| 06:03.18 | Shefki | Freeze the damn patch already, fix whatever problems are with it and ship it. |
| 06:03.22 | ckknight | Bruners: I'm not sure. I want to say 2, though |
| 06:03.25 | ckknight | yea, 2 |
| 06:03.38 | Greltok | http://www.wowace.com/projects/grid-status-ready-check/ |
| 06:03.47 | Greltok | It's no longer needed. |
| 06:03.49 | ckknight | Shefki: a lot of game fixes are going into 3.0.8 |
| 06:04.00 | Greltok | So I should log an admin ticket? |
| 06:04.03 | ckknight | abandon it, Greltok |
| 06:04.10 | Shefki | ckknight: And a lot of non-fixes are still going in. |
| 06:04.10 | Bruners | ckknight: end of s2 walt and that guy takes that boat home |
| 06:04.21 | ckknight | Bruners: it might've been the second to last episode |
| 06:04.26 | ckknight | Shefki: true |
| 06:04.35 | ckknight | Shefki: you could be like me and just code ;-) |
| 06:04.43 | ckknight | though I did start playing again recently |
| 06:04.44 | Shefki | ckknight: They're still adding features to the PTR while they have a serious playability issue. |
| 06:04.48 | ckknight | woo, lvl 22 durid! |
| 06:05.13 | Shefki | ckknight: You don't keep adding features to the next release while you've got a serious bug. That's just bad software development practice. |
| 06:05.18 | Bruners | ckknight: theres like one billion things that doesnt make sense and unanswered questions |
| 06:05.20 | Greltok | ckknight: Ok, thanks. |
| 06:05.22 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:05.28 | ckknight | Bruners: yea, who knows what the hell is going on |
| 06:05.56 | Shefki | ckknight: I probably wouldn't be coding for this game if I didn't play it. I tend to like writing code that is relevent to me. |
| 06:06.13 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:06.23 | ckknight | I just like coding ;-) |
| 06:06.41 | Shefki | I like coding too. I just scratch itches in my free time. |
| 06:06.51 | Shefki | If someone wants to pay me to code something that's an entirely different thing. |
| 06:06.58 | ckknight | and I obsess ;-) |
| 06:07.16 | Shefki | No you just churn out an absurd amount of code. |
| 06:07.45 | doom0r | hmm, to drop leatherworking or not |
| 06:07.58 | ckknight | but my doing so is merely an example of my obsession |
| 06:08.57 | doom0r | [Trade] [Enhander]: Beatboxing on ventrilo im bored msg me :D |
| 06:09.04 | doom0r | very tempted to give him vent info |
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| 06:09.09 | Bruners | ckknight: http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/bscap0000.jpg that one ? |
| 06:09.30 | ckknight | seems like the episode |
| 06:09.33 | ckknight | not the statue, though |
| 06:10.39 | ckknight | Bruners: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/gumpy500/2x23-24%20-%20LTDA/statuefoot.jpg |
| 06:10.41 | rapidgame | anyone know the code for making a frame movable with lua, displayFrame:SetMovable(true) doesnt seem to cut it and i cant find the right documentation |
| 06:10.56 | ckknight | rapidgame: that's only part of the equation |
| 06:10.59 | ckknight | :SetDraggable(true) |
| 06:11.01 | Bruners | ckknight: wtf, cant remember that |
| 06:11.08 | ckknight | and set scripts for OnDragStart and OnDragStop |
| 06:11.28 | ckknight | Bruners: Sayyid and them were in the boat, Sayyid looked through the binoculars and saw the statue |
| 06:11.30 | rapidgame | how come there is a setmovable AND a setdrag? Seem quite similar |
| 06:11.38 | ckknight | rapidgame: quiet, you |
| 06:11.43 | ckknight | :P |
| 06:11.53 | rapidgame | oh no, i havent been following the IRC, ur talkin lost ay? |
| 06:12.03 | rapidgame | *blocks ears* |
| 06:12.15 | rapidgame | new season isnt out here yet ;-) |
| 06:12.22 | ckknight | no, I mean don't question the absurd WoW apis |
| 06:12.25 | ckknight | it will only anger you |
| 06:12.45 | rapidgame | haha, yea i figure that haha - i only just saw what u guys were talking about though |
| 06:13.15 | Torhal | rapidgame: GetTradeSkillDescription() |
| 06:13.21 | Torhal | That's one to ponder. |
| 06:13.32 | gix | never used setdraggable myself. always just setmovable/enablemouse and mouse events |
| 06:13.42 | rapidgame | displayFrame:SetScript("OnDragStart", displayFrame.StartMoving) - is that okay for the setscripts, do i need to specify a ondragstop as well? |
| 06:13.54 | Fisker- | You are the cancer that's killing #wowace |
| 06:13.56 | gix | rapidgame: where is it out already? |
| 06:14.01 | ckknight | rapidgame: specify OnDragStop |
| 06:14.07 | ckknight | Fisker-: I thought that was you |
| 06:14.35 | quiescens | OnDragStop is probably beneficial unless you want your frame following your mouse for the rest of the game |
| 06:14.36 | Torhal | ckknight: If I keep testing the new PB4 builds, I'mma have to defrag my drive soon. |
| 06:14.36 | Fisker- | nope |
| 06:14.38 | rapidgame | gix: not quite sure i understand < coding noob haha |
| 06:14.42 | ckknight | Torhal: why's that? |
| 06:14.46 | ckknight | also, lol |
| 06:14.52 | Torhal | All the writing to disk |
| 06:14.55 | ckknight | you have a filesystem that needs manual defragmentation |
| 06:14.57 | ckknight | sucka |
| 06:15.08 | Torhal | Aye, I miss my Linux box |
| 06:15.16 | ckknight | granted, HFS+ isn't much better |
| 06:15.21 | ckknight | I'll be glad when I can switch to ZFS |
| 06:15.27 | doom0r | ntfs? |
| 06:15.29 | ckknight | next version, baby |
| 06:15.52 | vhaarr | wait, wait, MacOSX gets ZFS support? |
| 06:16.20 | rapidgame | so which is easier/better? setmovable/enablemouse or setdraggable with ondragstart/stop? |
| 06:16.40 | ckknight | vhaarr: yea, in 10.6 |
| 06:16.46 | Shefki | vhaarr: Already has read support. |
| 06:16.50 | ckknight | rapidgame: latter. |
| 06:16.54 | Shefki | vhaarr: Getting write support soon. |
| 06:16.56 | vhaarr | everyone has read support |
| 06:17.12 | Shefki | vhaarr: Not built into the OS. |
| 06:17.12 | doom0r | On June 6, 2007, Sun's CEO Jonathan I. Schwartz announced that Apple would make ZFS "the" filesystem in Mac OS 10.5 Leopard. |
| 06:17.26 | ckknight | doom0r: he was talking out of his ass |
| 06:17.27 | rapidgame | ckknight: should i even ask why lol? |
| 06:17.37 | doom0r | that's not the point |
| 06:17.40 | ckknight | check the snow leopard page |
| 06:17.45 | ckknight | there _is_ ZFS support |
| 06:17.47 | vhaarr | guess that means we'll get linux support for it soon as well |
| 06:17.48 | doom0r | point is that work has been around for a while |
| 06:17.52 | Shefki | ckknight: When he said that it was on the roadmap. |
| 06:17.56 | vhaarr | will be interesting to see if btrfs gets a foothold then |
| 06:17.58 | ckknight | vhaarr: no you won't, licensing issues. |
| 06:18.24 | Shefki | Yeah until the license changes it has to stay client side support only. |
| 06:18.26 | gix | rapidgame: dragstart only starts to move the frame once you moved the mouse a bit. personally i don't like that, so i use onmousedown |
| 06:18.51 | doom0r | they've been working an a FUSE option for several years to avoid that ckknight |
| 06:19.05 | ckknight | doom0r: it already exists and has poor performance |
| 06:19.18 | vhaarr | gotta love pooled storage and snapshots, well hopefully btrfs will give us that in the next kernel release then |
| 06:19.46 | ckknight | http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/snowleopard/ |
| 06:19.47 | ckknight | ZFS |
| 06:19.53 | harl | rawr! |
| 06:19.58 | ckknight | howdy, harl |
| 06:19.59 | rapidgame | gix: oh okay, thanks for that - i guess i'll give them both a try and see which i prefer :-) |
| 06:20.11 | ckknight | rapidgame: OnDragStart is what I recommend |
| 06:20.18 | Bruners | will windows 7 get that new fs they talked about for vista? |
| 06:20.21 | ckknight | no |
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| 06:20.33 | ckknight | WinFS was kind of a bad idea... |
| 06:20.42 | Shefki | Bruners: Microsoft announces a new FS every single OS release. |
| 06:20.42 | Shirik | Why would you want a new FS |
| 06:20.47 | Shirik | seriously |
| 06:20.47 | Shefki | And then never ships it. |
| 06:20.50 | vhaarr | why would you want a new windows |
| 06:20.54 | ckknight | all-in-all, the features are nice, but not implementable in a way that's not horribly inefficient |
| 06:20.54 | Shirik | NTFS had some needed changes, and that's enough |
| 06:20.57 | vhaarr | seriously |
| 06:21.14 | doom0r | ntfs is not a bad deal, just under bad management ;x |
| 06:21.17 | quiescens | is that like, a quadruple negative |
| 06:21.21 | ckknight | vhaarr: Win 7 looks good on the horizon. Granted, I doubt I'll use it, personally |
| 06:21.32 | Shirik | doom0r: I meant NTFS resolved issues of FAT32 |
| 06:21.39 | Shirik | Currently there is no major problems with NTFS |
| 06:21.42 | vhaarr | ckknight: and why would you |
| 06:21.44 | Shirik | hell, NTFS can do more than ext3 |
| 06:21.50 | vhaarr | useless OS |
| 06:21.56 | ckknight | vhaarr: I use Mac OS X |
| 06:21.59 | doom0r | ntfs is nice, but the way windows abuses it hurts it |
| 06:21.59 | vhaarr | Shirik: in what sense |
| 06:22.03 | ckknight | I boot into XP if I have windows-only games |
| 06:22.07 | ckknight | e.g. Fallout |
| 06:22.12 | ckknight | though I beat that |
| 06:22.17 | ckknight | so I haven't booted in in a while |
| 06:22.17 | doom0r | i have way better performance with xp's ntfs in linux than on xp |
| 06:22.29 | Shirik | vhaarr: I have no reason to communicate with you on this issue as you have already proven yourself to be someone whom refuses to listen to reason on this subject, so if you want to find out you can always look it up yourself |
| 06:23.04 | quiescens | eh ext3 wasn't really a new filesystem anyway |
| 06:23.17 | Shirik | no it wasn't |
| 06:23.22 | Shirik | and I wasn't implying that ext3 was bad |
| 06:23.34 | Shirik | I merely stated that NTFS has some (potentially unncessary) features on top of it |
| 06:23.38 | ckknight | ext4 will help add longevity to the ext line, but I think something like btrfs/zfs is the way forward |
| 06:23.42 | Shefki | NTFS still lacks the features of something like ZFS. ZFS isn't even in the same ballpark with things like HFS, ext3, Reiser, or NTFS. |
| 06:23.42 | doom0r | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 06:23.58 | ckknight | Shefki: Reiser3 no, Reiser4 yes |
| 06:24.03 | ckknight | but Reiser4 is dead |
| 06:24.06 | ckknight | ...along with his wife |
| 06:24.10 | Shirik | heh |
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| 06:24.20 | Torhal | ckknight: Did you read that on a 4chan motivational? |
| 06:24.21 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:24.24 | ckknight | Torhal: no |
| 06:24.28 | doom0r | which is where btrfs steps in |
| 06:24.28 | Shefki | I meant Reiser3. Like you said Reiser4 is dead. |
| 06:24.32 | Torhal | Seems like it should be one. |
| 06:24.33 | ckknight | I'd followed the Reiser case for a while |
| 06:24.40 | ckknight | Torhal: I follow /b/ |
| 06:24.59 | ckknight | oh, btw, Torhal |
| 06:25.00 | ckknight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoP6HkxjS38 |
| 06:25.16 | Torhal | She's crazy |
| 06:25.29 | harl | ckknight: that's my script.. err.. my inner animal self rawring sometimes. |
| 06:25.29 | doom0r | s/crazy/an attention whore/ |
| 06:25.43 | ckknight | fair enough |
| 06:25.52 | Bruners | that bitch got me banned :( |
| 06:26.04 | ckknight | but she's boxxy! |
| 06:26.10 | ckknight | lololololol |
| 06:26.13 | Torhal | Haha |
| 06:26.21 | Shefki | Bruners: Banned from what /b/? |
| 06:26.26 | Bruners | all boards :P |
| 06:26.33 | Shefki | How the hell do you get banned? |
| 06:26.39 | Bruners | should run out today |
| 06:27.03 | ckknight | Shefki: by saying boxxy |
| 06:27.05 | vhaarr | Shirik: I'm not sure where you pulled that quote from, but ext3 supports several things that ntfs lacks as of today even - some years ago soft-linking didn't work in NTFS, I believe, but even today it doesn't have execute-in-place or journaling |
| 06:27.08 | ckknight | though they took off that autoban |
| 06:27.18 | Bruners | woo no longer banned! |
| 06:27.32 | Torhal | Blargh. Bedtime. |
| 06:27.41 | ckknight | Bruners: I like to tell the ugly girls that they're pretty on /b/ |
| 06:27.44 | ckknight | hilarity ensues. |
| 06:28.33 | ckknight | and hell, with the right facial prosthetic (e.g. paper pag), any girl can be pretty |
| 06:28.36 | gix | ntfs doesn't have journaling? |
| 06:28.46 | Shefki | It does. |
| 06:28.57 | Bruners | ckknight: most girls can be picture pretty |
| 06:29.10 | rapidgame | wel i'm still not able to get it to be movable, im probably missing something very simple haha: http://www.wowace.com/paste/147/ |
| 06:29.25 | ckknight | yes, but I mean the ones that /b/ says are ugly or mentions manning harpoons about |
| 06:29.38 | ckknight | rapidgame: :SetMovable(true) |
| 06:29.46 | rapidgame | haha, thnx |
| 06:29.48 | ckknight | rapidgame: and :SetDraggable(true) |
| 06:30.00 | ckknight | displayFrame.StopMoving => displayFrame.StopMovingOrSizing |
| 06:30.05 | Fisker- | drives into ckknight |
| 06:30.11 | ckknight | is a brick wall |
| 06:30.11 | Shefki | And don't forget EnableMouse :P |
| 06:30.15 | ckknight | that too |
| 06:30.24 | Fisker- | oh yeah ckknight ? |
| 06:30.27 | Fisker- | But i'm a diamond car |
| 06:30.27 | ckknight | yes. |
| 06:30.37 | Fisker- | The hardest metal ever known to man |
| 06:30.46 | NeoTron_ | 3D down |
| 06:30.58 | NeoTron_ | not a very hard encounter |
| 06:31.06 | Shefki | I'm so buying a nvidia card with the goggle plug to play wow with goggles. |
| 06:31.14 | Shefki | I demand that CK writes me UI mods around this idea. |
| 06:32.37 | rapidgame | hmmm, wowwiki has no entry for SetDraggable |
| 06:32.39 | vhaarr | gix: not block-level, just logical |
| 06:32.40 | doom0r | you need a 3d touch display to go along |
| 06:33.00 | ckknight | Shefki: k |
| 06:33.04 | rapidgame | FFS, im an idiot - http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_Draggable_Frames |
| 06:33.06 | vhaarr | which isn't very reliable when it comes to crashes, which is where it matters to me |
| 06:35.20 | rapidgame | wow didnt like this: displayFrame:SetDraggable(true), commented it out and the frame dragging works |
| 06:35.37 | rapidgame | but it wont release/stop dragging haha |
| 06:36.11 | Shefki | rapidgame: /run GetMouseFocus():StopMovingOrSizing() |
| 06:36.20 | ckknight | rapidgame: get a damn error catcher |
| 06:36.25 | rapidgame | oh, shit - forgot to chane that one haha |
| 06:36.25 | ckknight | BugSack + BugGrabber |
| 06:36.44 | Fisker- | Hey ckknight |
| 06:36.45 | Bruners | bauderror frame ftw |
| 06:36.51 | Fisker- | if 3.0.8 isn't out in -2 days |
| 06:36.51 | ckknight | yes, Fisker-? |
| 06:36.54 | Shefki | Yeah I actually prefer bauderror. |
| 06:36.55 | ckknight | it won't be |
| 06:37.02 | Shefki | It seems to do a better job of catching taint issues. |
| 06:37.04 | ckknight | Shefki: link? |
| 06:37.04 | Fisker- | Oh |
| 06:37.11 | Fisker- | then you won't mind me destroying you |
| 06:37.14 | rapidgame | what do the error catchers do (sorry for nub question), i get they'll catch the errors haha, but do they report what line etc? |
| 06:37.15 | Bruners | and i even made a ldb plugin for it |
| 06:37.24 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03lilsparky * r127 / (7 files in 2 directories): added TradeskillLevels table |
| 06:37.26 | Bruners | dont really like that button it comes with |
| 06:37.44 | Shefki | ckknight: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9825-BaudErrorFrameFanUpdateforWotLK.html |
| 06:37.57 | Bruners | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/baud-error-frame.aspx |
| 06:38.04 | harl | rawr! |
| 06:38.08 | Shefki | ckknight: I don't think Baudzilla maintains it anymore. |
| 06:38.25 | Xinhuan | @project ace3 |
| 06:38.26 | Shefki | Bruners: Did he finally fix it for 3.0? |
| 06:38.27 | Repo | Xinhuan: More than one project was returned. Try supplying a game. Possible games: war, wow. |
| 06:38.31 | Xinhuan | @project wow/ace3 |
| 06:38.32 | Repo | Xinhuan: http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace3/. Ace3. Game: WoW. Kaelten (Manager/Author), Ammo (Author), Antiarc (Author), Nevcairiel (Author/Maintainer), mikk (Author), Nargiddley (Author). Updated: 9 days ago. Tickets: 3/19 |
| 06:38.37 | Bruners | Shefki: its updated there atleast for 3.0.2 |
| 06:38.44 | ckknight | the curse one is newer |
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| 06:39.06 | Shefki | ckknight: Yeah. It wasn't fixed for wrath for a long time and someone fixed it for him and made a new entry on wowi. |
| 06:39.14 | Bruners | ckknight: http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/brokerbaud.zip if you want it with my super duper pro ldb button |
| 06:40.17 | Shefki | ckknight: So how long is it going to take to rewrite DogTags to not use LibRock? |
| 06:40.27 | ckknight | it never used LibRock |
| 06:40.31 | ckknight | well, 3.0 |
| 06:40.38 | ckknight | unless I'm mistaken... |
| 06:40.44 | ckknight | yea, it used to |
| 06:40.47 | ckknight | then I changed it |
| 06:41.30 | Shefki | Ahh could have sworn it was still LibRock. |
| 06:41.47 | ckknight | nope |
| 06:41.50 | ckknight | not for a long time |
| 06:42.33 | Shefki | Well good. Now just get rid of it in FuBar and I'm rid of it. |
| 06:42.45 | Aiiane | all I can say is, lol: http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184 |
| 06:44.14 | Shefki | Aiiane: lol |
| 06:45.00 | Aiiane | more lol is the amount of spin the station puts on it |
| 06:45.09 | Aiiane | including the followup |
| 06:45.30 | Bruners | Aiiane: they just had to put a blonde in the picture.. |
| 06:46.12 | rapidgame | hey thanks guys, i finally got the frame working properly :-D |
| 06:46.12 | amoeba | Aiiane: The update from today: http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9682258&nav=menu1362_2 |
| 06:46.20 | ckknight | woo, rapidgame |
| 06:46.40 | Aiiane | amoeba: I know, it's linked at the top of the previous article |
| 06:46.51 | amoeba | Agh! I am sorry. |
| 06:46.58 | Greltok | To syndicate my project, what else do I need to do besides tag it? |
| 06:47.54 | Shefki | Greltok: Call your local TV station and complain that Curse is holding you back from releasing your project. |
| 06:48.00 | ckknight | Greltok: get it approved? |
| 06:48.07 | doom0r | wow, morons |
| 06:48.09 | ckknight | outside of that, if it doesn't sync, it's probably a fault on our end |
| 06:48.29 | doom0r | even the idiot can say Ubuntu properly, but not anyone on the news channel |
| 06:48.33 | Greltok | Well, the initial project creation was approved. |
| 06:48.42 | Greltok | I tagged it as Beta1. |
| 06:48.51 | Greltok | And have it set to package on beta and release. |
| 06:49.00 | Greltok | Is there another approval step? |
| 06:49.10 | doom0r | and at the end of the video the moron makes a comment about the chicks pronounciation of it, when her's is right and his is wrong |
| 06:49.23 | Aiiane | Greltok: shouldn't be, no |
| 06:49.27 | Aiiane | what's the project's shortname? |
| 06:49.36 | Greltok | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/libversioncheck/ |
| 06:50.09 | Aiiane | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/libversioncheck.aspx |
| 06:50.12 | Aiiane | looks syndicated to me |
| 06:50.14 | ckknight | it synced |
| 06:50.15 | harl | rawr! |
| 06:50.16 | Greltok | Well, there it goes. |
| 06:50.17 | ckknight | also, wtf |
| 06:50.18 | Greltok | lol |
| 06:50.22 | ckknight | why two Beta1s? |
| 06:50.26 | ckknight | harl: ...turn that off |
| 06:50.38 | Aiiane | my guess... pre-repo and post repo |
| 06:50.45 | Greltok | I tagged it as b1, and it didn't syndicate. |
| 06:50.46 | ckknight | doom0r: what did she say? |
| 06:50.50 | Greltok | Didn't think it had taken. |
| 06:50.51 | ckknight | doom0r: it's oo-boon-too |
| 06:50.52 | Greltok | My bad. |
| 06:50.56 | doom0r | right |
| 06:50.58 | doom0r | she says that |
| 06:51.01 | ckknight | ah |
| 06:51.09 | doom0r | the idiots at the news station say oo-bun-too |
| 06:51.15 | ckknight | hmm |
| 06:51.21 | ckknight | You-bun-too |
| 06:51.22 | ckknight | :P |
| 06:51.24 | Greltok | I tagged it a while ago (the first time.). |
| 06:51.25 | ckknight | (not really) |
| 06:51.26 | doom0r | and then the guy has the nerve to make a comment about her needing to work on her pronounciation |
| 06:51.30 | ckknight | I prounce it correctly irl |
| 06:51.38 | ckknight | lamer |
| 06:51.45 | Aiiane | the station just comes off as seriously bad |
| 06:51.49 | Aiiane | over the whole affair |
| 06:51.52 | Greltok | Can I nuke the other ones? |
| 06:51.57 | doom0r | no suprise |
| 06:52.01 | doom0r | it's a cheesehead station |
| 06:52.02 | amoeba | The reporters are pronouncing it wrong but she's right, right? |
| 06:52.06 | Greltok | I should tag it as b2 |
| 06:52.11 | doom0r | amoeba: yes |
| 06:52.14 | Greltok | To eliminate confusion. |
| 06:52.20 | NeoTron_ | Kael'thas world first kill! |
| 06:52.23 | NeoTron_ | it was kind of amusing |
| 06:52.40 | Aiiane | wait, what |
| 06:52.47 | Shefki | I am totally lost. |
| 06:52.59 | Aiiane | someone went back and did kael post-3.0, im guessing? |
| 06:53.01 | ckknight | delete one of your files, Greltok |
| 06:53.10 | Aiiane | or something like that |
| 06:53.31 | NeoTron_ | phoenix farming |
| 06:53.35 | rapidgame | any doco on saving window position between sessions, or is that just something that i should figure out for lua - if any of you have an addon that does that id like to have a look haha |
| 06:53.41 | NeoTron_ | or rather, killed all wotlk raid content and had hours left |
| 06:53.54 | NeoTron_ | noone dropped however |
| 06:54.21 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * d92bd91 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] add custom coloring for all bars. |
| 06:54.25 | harl | ckknight: rawrrr.. but i'll try to hold myself back a bit. |
| 06:54.44 | ckknight | :P |
| 06:54.52 | ckknight | it's fine if you say it legitimately, as a conversation starter |
| 06:54.56 | ckknight | but if it's just a script, that's lame |
| 06:56.09 | Aiiane | rawr. o.o |
| 06:56.26 | Shefki | rawr! |
| 06:56.53 | harl | oO |
| 06:56.57 | rapidgame | any copy/paste function for saving the position, or do you just use a combo of savedvariables and SetPoint? |
| 06:57.20 | Shefki | rapidgame: Tell the game it's a userplaced frame and it'll do it for you. |
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| 06:57.43 | rapidgame | Shefki: THAT SOUNDS GREAT! haha, how do i do that ;-) |
| 06:57.53 | Shefki | rapidgame: Exercise left to the reader. |
| 06:58.07 | Shefki | Sorry you've reached the end of the chapter. |
| 06:58.12 | ckknight | it's doable, though ;-) |
| 06:58.17 | ckknight | go and research |
| 06:58.35 | rapidgame | haha, okay ;-) |
| 06:58.35 | harl | funny. |
| 06:58.39 | ckknight | Aiiane, Shefki: rawr |
| 06:58.40 | harl | no, really. |
| 06:59.10 | Aiiane | ckknight: meow |
| 06:59.15 | ckknight | miao |
| 06:59.26 | ckknight | I'm a kitty cat |
| 06:59.29 | ckknight | and I dance dance dance |
| 06:59.32 | ckknight | and I dance dance dance |
| 06:59.41 | Shefki | I'm a tree. Twist Twist Twist! |
| 06:59.53 | Axodious | come on baby, and do the twist! |
| 06:59.57 | Axodious | starts humming |
| 07:00.20 | ckknight | related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpA2tMrQ4RU |
| 07:00.34 | Shefki | Nooo... not Boxxy. |
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| 07:00.56 | Shefki | Ohh not boxy. |
| 07:00.57 | Shefki | Phew. |
| 07:01.11 | Axodious | i hate you ckknight, that song is now stuck in my head |
| 07:01.27 | ckknight | I made a classmate of mine almost fail calculus because of that |
| 07:01.32 | Axodious | rofl |
| 07:01.41 | Aiiane | hey look, boxxy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 07:01.42 | ckknight | because at the start of every class, I said the first few bars |
| 07:01.53 | ckknight | oh boxxy, why don't you love me? |
| 07:02.06 | NeoTron_ | we killed Magtheridon! yay |
| 07:02.14 | ckknight | ooh, 14.8 million hits already |
| 07:02.52 | Shefki | ckknight: Isn't there supposed to be an Unknown color for Reaction? |
| 07:03.01 | Shefki | And rename Reaction to Hostility |
| 07:03.12 | Shefki | Or Reputation. Most people will have no idea what Reaction is. |
| 07:03.15 | ckknight | Shefki: it applies to Reputation as well |
| 07:03.19 | ckknight | hmm |
| 07:03.27 | ckknight | well, unknown defaults to the default PitBull4 unknown |
| 07:03.32 | ckknight | or 0.7, 0.7, 0.7 |
| 07:03.51 | ckknight | might make a global unknown color |
| 07:04.35 | Shefki | Are the defaults the global game defaults or did you actually desaturate some of them on purpose? |
| 07:05.04 | rapidgame | hmm, so its more than just displayFrame:SetUserPlaced(true)? |
| 07:05.07 | ckknight | game defaults |
| 07:05.35 | ckknight | Shefki: though I'm not against some alteration |
| 07:05.58 | Shefki | ckknight: Maybe it's just the small sample size. They just seemed paler than normal. |
| 07:06.13 | Shefki | ckknight: I've probably mucked with my defaults in PB3 and forgotten. |
| 07:06.20 | ckknight | hehe |
| 07:06.58 | Bruners | ckknight: on a serious note, i cant find that foot statue on my file |
| 07:07.03 | Shefki | I had Self cast border = Yellow and Other Cast = Green for ages and didn't realize it was Red/Green until I redid them for the new aura mod. |
| 07:07.09 | rapidgame | Does not work on anonymous frames. |
| 07:07.09 | rapidgame | Named frames created by CreateFrame must be created when the UI finish loading, for their position to be restored. |
| 07:07.12 | ckknight | Bruners: it's the mystery of the foot. |
| 07:07.20 | ckknight | rapidgame: name your frame, then |
| 07:07.41 | Bruners | ckknight: and now you made me watch the whole episode :P |
| 07:07.46 | ckknight | lol |
| 07:08.02 | ckknight | Shefki: also, for colors, tree view or tab view? |
| 07:08.09 | ckknight | wasn't sure |
| 07:08.42 | ckknight | maybe once I get all the modules' colors in |
| 07:08.45 | Shefki | Hmm I'm thinking Tab. I can't imagine that many additions will be made beyond one more for Aura. |
| 07:08.49 | rapidgame | ckknight: i feel so bad right now, no idea how to do that ;-) (i'm sure ur /facepalming haha) |
| 07:09.03 | ckknight | rapidgame: paste your code? |
| 07:09.05 | Shefki | rapidgame: It's an argument to CreateFrame() |
| 07:09.31 | ckknight | Shefki: well, some colors I'm gonna stay in the layout |
| 07:09.34 | ckknight | e.g. highlight color |
| 07:09.36 | ckknight | background color |
| 07:10.04 | Shefki | Depends upon how you're planning to do Highlights. |
| 07:10.27 | Shefki | I was going to put the color for the Highlight in the filter that triggers it. |
| 07:10.46 | Shefki | Unless you had other plans for Highlighting. |
| 07:10.48 | ckknight | I mean when you mouse over the frame |
| 07:10.52 | Shefki | Ohh that. |
| 07:10.54 | ckknight | and the background of the frame |
| 07:11.07 | Shefki | Yeah those shouldn't be global. |
| 07:11.08 | NeoTron_ | so we cleared gruul too. we're on a roll |
| 07:11.23 | Shefki | NeoTron_: Slackers, you haven't killed the world bosses yet. |
| 07:15.12 | rapidgame | hmmm, looked up the CreateFrame API, i had it (the name) set to a nil value to avoid creating another global variable, but i guess im going to have to haha, i just read somewhere that its best to avoid creating too many |
| 07:15.35 | ckknight | for frames, it's alright |
| 07:17.51 | rapidgame | sweet |
| 07:18.42 | rapidgame | well my code goes, displayFrame = CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent), i assume i cant use displayFrame as the name, any general practise thats followed for naming? |
| 07:20.38 | Shefki | Prefix your addon name to your frame name. |
| 07:20.45 | Shefki | FooDisplayFrame |
| 07:20.51 | Shefki | Where Foo is your addon name. |
| 07:21.14 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * ce60957 Modules/ (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] add color options to Background and Highlight |
| 07:22.01 | ckknight | for example, PitBull4's unit frames are named PitBull4_Frames_player |
| 07:22.02 | ckknight | and such |
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| 07:23.53 | Shefki | Elkano: BTW your Temp Weapon Enchant stuff is wonky. |
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| 07:24.16 | Shefki | Elkano: THe timer gets off if you log in with an enchant already on. And I don't mean the duration... But the time left can be off by 30-40 seconds. |
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| 07:24.36 | Elkano | I play neither Shaman nor Rogue so maybe... but blame the Blizzard API :/ |
| 07:24.54 | Shefki | Elkano: I discovered this when implementing it for PB4's Aura modules. |
| 07:25.03 | Shefki | So I fully understand that the API sucks. |
| 07:25.40 | Shefki | Was using EBB to check my work. :) |
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| 07:27.50 | Xinhuan | whee one postal module converted to ace3 |
| 07:27.51 | Xinhuan | 7 more to go |
| 07:27.51 | many | MOAR BARS |
| 07:28.19 | many | EBB, DBM, squawk and awe |
| 07:28.36 | many | mh. i still didnt figure which plugin would nicely show the CD of Spells |
| 07:28.39 | rapidgame | hmm, still doesnt seem to work, could you take a quick look at the code? http://www.wowace.com/paste/148/ |
| 07:28.45 | Shefki | many: Don't forget PitBull it's bars. :P |
| 07:29.11 | Shefki | rapidgame: When is CreateDisplay being called? |
| 07:29.43 | rapidgame | OnInitialize(), does it need to wait for the UI to load? |
| 07:29.50 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 07:29.56 | many | Shefki: xperl here |
| 07:30.03 | Shefki | "Named frames created by CreateFrame must be created when the UI finish loading, for their position to be restored. " |
| 07:30.19 | rapidgame | haha, i saw that - when does the UI finish loading? |
| 07:30.19 | many | but i didnt mean Player Frame Bars anyway :P |
| 07:30.23 | Shefki | rapidgame: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetUserPlaced |
| 07:30.33 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 99af98b Modules/ (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] make it possible that :GetExampleValue (and the like) might pass in nil as the frame |
| 07:30.48 | many | isnt there some ENTER_WORLD event? |
| 07:31.00 | many | or was that the counterstrike api back then |
| 07:31.14 | ckknight | PLAYER_ENTER_WORLD |
| 07:31.21 | ckknight | why, many? |
| 07:31.52 | many | ah. i somehow had the impression that finishing loading the ui would trigger the event, but i probably need MOAR coffee := |
| 07:31.54 | Shefki | ADDON_LOADED is probably good enough. |
| 07:32.00 | ckknight | many: it does |
| 07:32.09 | ckknight | Shefki: I think OnInitialize is ADDON_LOADED |
| 07:32.09 | many | oh |
| 07:32.14 | ckknight | but OnEnable is PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 07:32.50 | Shefki | Try PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD thhen. |
| 07:33.02 | Shefki | Hmm actually that'd bad. |
| 07:33.08 | Shefki | That runs anytime a load screen shows. |
| 07:33.25 | Shefki | ADDON_LOADED ought to be good enough. |
| 07:33.28 | many | Yes. but you could initialize some var |
| 07:33.33 | rapidgame | so OnEnable then? |
| 07:33.44 | Shefki | No OnEnable is earlier. |
| 07:33.50 | many | *hacketyhack* |
| 07:34.01 | Shefki | PLAYER_LOGIN -> ADDON_LOADED -> PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 07:34.03 | many | rapidgame: out of curiosity |
| 07:34.06 | ckknight | rapidgame: do it in OnInitialize |
| 07:34.10 | ckknight | wrong, Shefki |
| 07:34.26 | many | why would you want to show the frame directly after the load screen is finished |
| 07:34.26 | ckknight | ADDON_LOADED comes before PLAYER_LOGIN for non-LoD addons |
| 07:34.37 | rapidgame | i did it OnInitialize() and it does seem to save |
| 07:34.46 | ckknight | rapidgame: yea, keep it there |
| 07:34.55 | many | ah, nevermind. |
| 07:34.57 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 07:34.58 | Fisker- | :E |
| 07:35.00 | Fisker- | :o |
| 07:35.03 | many | :D |
| 07:35.05 | Fisker- | :O |
| 07:35.10 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 07:35.12 | rapidgame | oh, i think i know what it is haha |
| 07:35.26 | many | ^oO^ |
| 07:35.38 | Shefki | rapidgame: You need to pass a string for frame name. |
| 07:35.46 | Bruners | ckknight: srsly, why can't i find that foot ? |
| 07:35.56 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 07:36.03 | Shefki | displayFrame = CreateFrame("Frame", Pillager_displayFrame, UIParent) |
| 07:36.05 | ckknight | it's the season finale of season 2, I think |
| 07:36.09 | Shefki | "Pillager_displayFrame" |
| 07:36.15 | Fisker- | You are l ckknight |
| 07:36.18 | Bruners | 2x23-24 |
| 07:36.24 | ckknight | Fisker-: false |
| 07:36.26 | Bruners | thats the one im having |
| 07:36.27 | ckknight | Bruners: yea |
| 07:36.29 | Fisker- | no u |
| 07:36.32 | ckknight | Bruners: near the end |
| 07:36.35 | Bruners | but that scene isnt there |
| 07:36.38 | rapidgame | Shefki: oh, dammit haha - thats what i get for drinking/coding |
| 07:36.45 | ckknight | Bruners: what country you in? |
| 07:36.57 | Shefki | rapidgame: Because Pillager_displayframe evaulates to nil, so you're asking for an anonymous frame still. |
| 07:37.04 | Bruners | ckknight: its ripped from abc |
| 07:37.07 | many | rapidgame: define a constant with your string and use the constant. thats okay. :> |
| 07:37.08 | ckknight | hmm |
| 07:37.14 | ckknight | maybe it's season 1 |
| 07:37.25 | ckknight | which season has them on the crappy boat? |
| 07:37.31 | ckknight | I think that is season 1... |
| 07:37.34 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 07:38.25 | Bruners | ckknight: the sail boat? |
| 07:38.39 | ckknight | not the Scottish guy's |
| 07:38.45 | ckknight | the crappy boat |
| 07:38.51 | ckknight | the one they built |
| 07:38.54 | Arrowmaster | what are we talking about? |
| 07:39.00 | ckknight | Lost |
| 07:39.08 | Bruners | ckknight: the one they built themselfs? |
| 07:39.11 | Arrowmaster | figured |
| 07:39.15 | ckknight | I just said that, Bruners |
| 07:39.27 | Bruners | thats more like a raft :P |
| 07:39.28 | rapidgame | http://www.wowace.com/paste/149/ - still being called from OnInitilize (should i change that?) and doesn't seem to work for me |
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| 07:39.47 | Shefki | ckknight: How do I set color defaults? |
| 07:40.08 | ckknight | Shefki: :SetDefaults takes two args |
| 07:40.12 | ckknight | check the PAI |
| 07:40.13 | ckknight | API* |
| 07:40.36 | Shefki | Ohh I guess you didn't make a separate storage for colors. |
| 07:40.45 | Shefki | They're just part of the global defaults. |
| 07:40.48 | ckknight | yea |
| 07:40.53 | ckknight | no reason why they wouldn't be, imo |
| 07:41.10 | ckknight | it's just a nicer place to stick global colors |
| 07:41.14 | Shefki | That's fine. I was just expecting to have a 3rd parameter for color defaults. |
| 07:41.19 | ckknight | k |
| 07:43.03 | Bruners | ckknight: its s2 finale episode |
| 07:43.13 | Bruners | ckknight: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Four-toed_statue |
| 07:43.20 | Bruners | ckknight: but i still cant find it in the one i have |
| 07:43.21 | ckknight | k |
| 07:43.29 | ckknight | maybe ABC cut that part in reruns? |
| 07:43.38 | rapidgame | http://www.wowace.com/paste/149/ - is the SetPoint interfering with it at all? |
| 07:43.56 | rapidgame | or, the ClearAllPoints |
| 07:44.00 | Shefki | rapidgame: Probably. |
| 07:44.12 | rapidgame | haha, i'll comment them out |
| 07:46.06 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 07:46.44 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * df61036 Modules/Aura/Options.lua: [+1 commit] Move color options for Auras into the new color system. |
| 07:46.46 | ckknight | you know what I was thinking today? |
| 07:46.54 | ckknight | it's hard to have an adjective for everything |
| 07:46.55 | Shefki | That Boxxy is hot? |
| 07:47.08 | ckknight | global doesn't work if you move beyond earth |
| 07:47.13 | ckknight | could say Universal |
| 07:47.16 | ckknight | but what of the Multiverse? |
| 07:47.25 | ckknight | and what is the entity that encompases that? |
| 07:48.01 | Shefki | CK's playground. |
| 07:48.22 | rapidgame | well, you could talk about time while you're at it (time/space haha) |
| 07:48.24 | many | ckknight: just use 42. |
| 07:48.31 | rapidgame | ^^ or that |
| 07:48.39 | ckknight | rapidgame: the universe has time within it |
| 07:48.42 | ckknight | so that's irrelevant |
| 07:48.42 | Shefki | That's it. I'm defaulting the aura module to show 42 buffs and debuffs. |
| 07:48.48 | ckknight | lol, Shefki |
| 07:48.59 | ckknight | only do that if the default size is meant to be 6*7 or something |
| 07:48.59 | many | or maybe fishy. |
| 07:49.59 | rapidgame | haha, so the universe is time *and* space? thought it only referred to the latter. |
| 07:50.08 | ckknight | no, it includes both |
| 07:50.21 | ckknight | as well as 7 other dimensions |
| 07:50.24 | ckknight | if you believe the string theorists |
| 07:50.30 | ckknight | fuck you, imaginary time |
| 07:50.37 | ckknight | Shefki: I'm adding a standard reset colors thing, it'll be the last param passed in (a function) |
| 07:50.58 | Shefki | ckknight: lol I was just noticing I didn't add that and was going to add it. |
| 07:51.04 | ckknight | :P |
| 07:51.28 | Repo | 10mtarget: 03gameldar * r11 / (6 files in 2 directories): Implemented Locale support |
| 07:51.32 | rapidgame | what about that whole 42 dimensions or whatever it was? |
| 07:51.46 | Bruners | ckknight: found it! seems like there is something wrong with the file making it skip near that point |
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| 07:52.47 | rapidgame | hmm, still not working - http://www.wowace.com/paste/150/ - is OnInitialize the right place to call it from? Has the UI already been created by then? |
| 07:53.27 | rapidgame | oh, and on the whole dimensions thing - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencetopics/largehadroncollider/3314456/Surfer-dude-stuns-physicists-with-theory-of-everything.html |
| 07:54.09 | Xinhuan | what is it rapidgame |
| 07:54.31 | many | youre using up all the ids, pastey wont be happy to tell that it ran out of ids! |
| 07:55.08 | rapidgame | many: haha, yeah i feel bad about that, still better than copypastering the IRC though. |
| 07:55.17 | many | (: |
| 07:55.32 | Aiiane | pastey is not going to run out of id's anytime soon :P |
| 07:55.36 | rapidgame | Xinhuan: Im trying to get the Wow API to handle saving the position of my frames when the user moves them |
| 07:55.39 | many | copypestering is nice too |
| 07:55.52 | Xinhuan | rapidgame, it already does that by default |
| 07:55.59 | Xinhuan | you don't need to do anything special |
| 07:56.12 | rapidgame | hmm, okay then haha |
| 07:56.14 | Xinhuan | there is only one thing - your frame needs to be named |
| 07:56.27 | Xinhuan | and it must exist before VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 07:56.41 | rapidgame | is it *still* not named lol, i thought it was the "Pillager_displayFrame" |
| 07:56.45 | Xinhuan | that is, you can't use nil as the frame name in CreateFrame() |
| 07:57.34 | rapidgame | if the CreateFrame function is called OnInitialize, is that early/late enough? |
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| 07:57.40 | Xinhuan | its early |
| 07:57.42 | ckknight | don't feel bad about using the paste system. I think we can support up to 2^32 ids |
| 07:57.44 | Xinhuan | as long as your addon isn't Lo |
| 07:57.45 | ckknight | but don't worry |
| 07:57.46 | Xinhuan | LoD |
| 07:57.54 | ckknight | wait, 2^31 - 1 |
| 07:58.03 | Xinhuan | well, the SetUserPlaced flag on the frame isn't true unless you set it to true, or if you dragged it |
| 07:58.04 | many | damn signed numbers |
| 07:58.05 | ckknight | once we switch to Postgres, we can use up to 2^63 - 1 |
| 07:58.24 | many | btw, pg isnt always the answer |
| 07:58.42 | Xinhuan | the default UI repositions the frame just before VARIABLES_LOADED using data stored in layout-cache.txt |
| 07:58.45 | many | i wrote something that choked BADLY under pg while it had been using a native that mysql hasnt |
| 07:59.05 | many | and i never found out what the reason is |
| 07:59.06 | Xinhuan | so if you positioned the frame before that, those settings get wiped |
| 07:59.59 | rapidgame | okay, so i should avoid the whole "if IsUserPlaced" thing, and call the createframe function later on? |
| 08:00.37 | Xinhuan | no, you're probably just doing something wrong, or you didn't even attempt to move your own frame |
| 08:00.39 | Repo | 10libhealcomm-3-0: 03jlam * r29 LibHealComm-3.0.lua: |
| 08:00.41 | Repo | Cache the glyphs that are being used instead of iterating over them each time we call detectGlyph() to see if a particular glyph is in use. |
| 08:00.50 | Xinhuan | hard to say what is wrong without seeing the entire code |
| 08:03.16 | ckknight | many: all our tests point otherwise |
| 08:03.27 | many | ckknight: good. :-) |
| 08:04.40 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 67c13c9 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 08:04.42 | Repo | 67c13c9: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.curseforge.net:wow/pitbull4/mainline |
| 08:04.44 | Repo | 99aef25: add color options to HealthBar |
| 08:04.47 | Repo | f7a9060: Make Module:SetColorOptionsFunction have the last return be a function that resets all colors. |
| 08:05.49 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 344edf1 Modules/Aura/Options.lua: [+1 commit] un-break Aura |
| 08:06.01 | rapidgame | http://www.wowace.com/paste/151/ - well there's the full code, it's a bit of a mess because im still figuring things out/playing around. |
| 08:06.41 | ckknight | dude, rapidgame |
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| 08:06.46 | ckknight | I told you self:CreateDisplay() was too late in OnEnable |
| 08:06.50 | ckknight | do it in OnInitialize |
| 08:07.01 | Xinhuan | you called CreateDisplay() too late |
| 08:07.05 | rapidgame | fuck, am i still doing it onenable |
| 08:07.05 | Xinhuan | you can't do it in OnEnable() |
| 08:07.11 | rapidgame | << shoots self |
| 08:07.20 | Xinhuan | PLAYER_LOGIN is after VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 08:07.45 | rapidgame | haha, im going to go hide in a corner now... |
| 08:07.58 | rapidgame | and mumble incoherently to myself ;-) |
| 08:08.34 | Xinhuan | what does your addon do btw? :) |
| 08:09.16 | Axodious | it mumbles incoherently me thinks |
| 08:09.32 | thul | http://profile.ak.facebook.com/object3/1221/104/l35645010149_5156.jpg <- when did she get those huge tits? |
| 08:09.54 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318707895&sid=1&pageNo=1 - 7 pages in 4 hours - Serennia's accused of wintrading |
| 08:09.56 | rapidgame | well, its my first one so im starting pretty basic, pretty much copying what some of the other ones do - tracks the amount of money gained in a period of time |
| 08:10.13 | rapidgame | im starting from the welcome home tutorial and building from there haha |
| 08:10.46 | many | thul: WTF is that? |
| 08:10.50 | doom0r | thul: years ago |
| 08:10.50 | Bruners | Jennifer Love Chew-it always had those |
| 08:10.55 | many | ah |
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| 08:11.51 | thul | hmm, no? |
| 08:12.03 | thul | http://photos-a.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v193/213/80/35645010149/n35645010149_2700728_534.jpg |
| 08:12.25 | Bruners | thul: they just look huge in that picture |
| 08:12.46 | Bruners | http://www.wwtdd.com/photo.phtml?post_key=1961&photo_key=2156 |
| 08:12.52 | Bruners | same set, different angle |
| 08:12.56 | rapidgame | Xinhuan: out of curiosity, is it posible to reset the frame position to default after the user has moved it? |
| 08:13.53 | Bruners | something like SetUserplaced(false) |
| 08:14.06 | Xinhuan | sure, just :ClearAllPoints() and :SetPoint() yourself |
| 08:14.51 | Xinhuan | i'll highly suggest not using the default UI's methods of saving frame position |
| 08:14.59 | Xinhuan | because it wont' persist if a user disables your addon |
| 08:15.12 | Xinhuan | layout-cache.txt only remembers frames that exist |
| 08:15.36 | doom0r | thul: she's like 50 lbs less than normal |
| 08:15.55 | Xinhuan | it does mean writing additional code though to save the frame position in SV |
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| 08:16.07 | Xinhuan | so you might skip that first, and handle it when your core addon is doen |
| 08:16.07 | thul | BOOBS |
| 08:16.10 | thul | but ok |
| 08:16.24 | doom0r | pretty sure they've been fake for many years |
| 08:16.33 | doom0r | just not noticable til you see anorexic shots |
| 08:16.40 | doom0r | well, not normally |
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| 08:17.07 | doom0r | either that or she lost weight that fast they look that messed up |
| 08:17.21 | Bruners | thul: http://www.wwtdd.com/index.phtml?t=jennifer%20love%20hewitt&start=0 |
| 08:17.28 | Bruners | thul: fatty mc butterpants |
| 08:17.29 | Zhinjio | yay |
| 08:17.33 | rapidgame | can i Copy/paste my code for reseting the position into IRC - only 3 lines? |
| 08:17.33 | Zhinjio | got my loot searcher working |
| 08:17.48 | Zhinjio | http://www.teamveracity.com/index.php?page=looteventpage |
| 08:17.52 | Zhinjio | is pleased. |
| 08:19.05 | rapidgame | displayFrame:SetUserPlaced(false) |
| 08:19.05 | rapidgame | displayFrame:ClearAllPoints() |
| 08:19.05 | rapidgame | displayFrame:SetPoint("BOTTOMRIGHT",UIParent,"BOTTOMRIGHT",-15,65) |
| 08:19.40 | rapidgame | thats in the CreateFrame function, shouldn't it reset the position? |
| 08:20.15 | Xinhuan | no, because during VARIABLES_LOADED, wow still applies whatever is in layout-cache.txt to your frame |
| 08:20.25 | Xinhuan | you need to do the resetting AFTER VARIABLES_LOADED |
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| 08:20.34 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 08:20.45 | rapidgame | so call from a function like on a button press or something? |
| 08:20.50 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 08:20.57 | rapidgame | okay, thanks :-) |
| 08:21.05 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * c36c54d Modules/HealthBar/HealthBar.lua: [+1 commit] allow changing the low/med/high health colors. |
| 08:21.30 | gix | why the fuck can't people link directly to imageshack-images. noone needs that stupid html-site |
| 08:21.36 | sb|work | bah |
| 08:22.11 | Bruners | its the only way to show people that you shouldnt be using imageshack |
| 08:22.31 | Shefki | ckknight: You goofed something up. I'm at full health with a yellow healthbar. |
| 08:22.37 | ckknight | eep |
| 08:22.39 | ckknight | well, gz? |
| 08:22.42 | Zhinjio | hey ck |
| 08:22.46 | ckknight | now you're more aware |
| 08:22.49 | Zhinjio | lookit my loot thinger! |
| 08:22.51 | ckknight | like having only yellow and red lights |
| 08:22.52 | Zhinjio | http://www.teamveracity.com/index.php?page=looteventpage |
| 08:24.02 | ckknight | Shefki: yea, it goes yellow => green, abruptly red => yellow |
| 08:24.03 | ckknight | :P |
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| 08:24.17 | ckknight | lemme test my fix |
| 08:24.45 | Shefki | ckknight: That makes sense. lol |
| 08:25.00 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 82dedb6 Modules/HealthBar/HealthBar.lua: [+1 commit] reverse some reverse logic. |
| 08:25.12 | ckknight | Zhinjio: cool |
| 08:26.01 | doom0r | Zhinjio: WTS color palette that doesn't make your eyes bleed |
| 08:26.25 | Zhinjio | shrugs. I like that theme |
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| 08:26.48 | Zhinjio | it passes contrast checkers |
| 08:27.22 | doom0r | dude |
| 08:27.26 | doom0r | it glows ftlog |
| 08:27.58 | doom0r | you have bright purple on the screen everywhere |
| 08:28.01 | doom0r | keep that in mind |
| 08:28.18 | Zhinjio | bright purple? |
| 08:28.21 | Zhinjio | wtf? |
| 08:28.27 | Zhinjio | oh |
| 08:28.30 | Zhinjio | you mean the loot thigners |
| 08:28.44 | Zhinjio | well, they're on a black background cell. |
| 08:28.55 | doom0r | so? |
| 08:29.07 | doom0r | who's on a 16x16 resolution monitor? |
| 08:29.13 | doom0r | you see all colors at the same time |
| 08:29.31 | many | m. |
| 08:29.35 | doom0r | sit back and look at the screen |
| 08:29.38 | many | 80x25 i wont see the colors at all |
| 08:29.38 | doom0r | you have things that glow |
| 08:30.30 | Zhinjio | you lost me |
| 08:30.34 | Zhinjio | I have no idea wtf you're talking about |
| 08:30.59 | doom0r | the red drains too much |
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| 08:31.04 | doom0r | makes other things stand out too far |
| 08:31.29 | Zhinjio | good thing you're not in my guild to bitch at me about it, then, I suppose. |
| 08:31.37 | many | he's not bitching! |
| 08:32.26 | doom0r | i wouldn't be looking at it then :P |
| 08:32.32 | doom0r | don't care about loot enough |
| 08:33.51 | CIA-34 | panda: 03Tekkub 07transmute * r2e6623c 10/ (Panda.toc PanelFactory.lua Transmutes.lua): |
| 08:33.51 | CIA-34 | panda: First bit of transmute panel |
| 08:33.51 | CIA-34 | panda: Click-crafting not recommended, items have multiple transmutes that need to be handled differently - http://tinyurl.com/95bqyk |
| 08:37.48 | doom0r | scratches his head |
| 08:38.00 | doom0r | recount is sending messages when not in a party/raid |
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| 08:41.13 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * 056728e Modules/Aura/Options.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 08:41.15 | Repo | 056728e: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.wowace.com/wow/pitbull4/mainline |
| 08:41.17 | Repo | 9e539bf: Allow Aura colors to be reset to default. |
| 08:41.58 | rapidgame | looking @ AceGUI widget templates, they code "self.closebutton = closebutton; closebutton.obj = self" is used, anyone able to explain that to me haha? |
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| 08:47.12 | ckknight | what do you want explaining? |
| 08:48.31 | rapidgame | im not too sure why that code is there haha, will i need to do something similar in my addon, or is that something i dont need to worry about |
| 08:48.52 | Xinhuan | its something you don't have to worry about |
| 08:48.57 | rapidgame | ;-) cool |
| 08:49.07 | Xinhuan | its just storing frame references |
| 08:49.11 | Xinhuan | for easier access |
| 08:50.03 | rapidgame | k cool |
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| 08:54.21 | NeoTron_ | Shefki: I'm not really an achievement collector and I roll with a deathknight so don't have it since before |
| 08:55.29 | gix | doom0r: is this also an eye-bleeder for you? http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/571/15312704kh6.png |
| 08:58.25 | doom0r | no, background on teh names looks weird though |
| 08:58.56 | doom0r | i think ti's the grey background and the red that bothered me |
| 08:59.06 | doom0r | that's not usually good, let alone with high contrasting purple |
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| 09:09.07 | Repo | - Add missing local(Health) for translation |
| 09:09.10 | Repo | - koKR Update |
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| 09:21.31 | CIA-34 | tourguide: 03Tekkub 07master * rda0d4ed 10/ TourGuide_Alliance/75_76_ZulDrak.lua : More ally ZD - http://tinyurl.com/794k8o |
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| 09:28.48 | thul | http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/9/4/9424f-Jamiecheeks.jpg <- jamie is so hot! :-D (nsfw) |
| 09:30.32 | amoeba | Cheeks is an odd last name. |
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| 09:36.07 | thul | her name is jamie eason :-P |
| 09:36.08 | rapidgame | okay, i have now made the window that displays the values - whats the best way to keep the values in my window updated? I have a function that updates the values displayed, but im not sure how to make sure that function is called on a regular interval... |
| 09:39.23 | Zhinjio | what values are you displaying, and when do they update? |
| 09:40.17 | rapidgame | well, i display the time since the session started lol, but i dont think i want to update it every second (since that would have a large performance impact wouldn't it)? |
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| 09:40.58 | Zhinjio | yes. |
| 09:41.31 | rapidgame | so would having it update once per minute have a major impact? |
| 09:43.05 | Xinhuan | what figure is this |
| 09:43.08 | Xinhuan | how often does it change |
| 09:44.04 | rapidgame | well, to start with i want it to show the time since the user started playing for this session, so it would change every second, but i think having it update once a minute would be better. |
| 09:44.33 | Xinhuan | once a second is fine |
| 09:44.53 | rapidgame | really, that doesnt have an impact on performance? |
| 09:45.18 | Xinhuan | the OnUpdate function would be called once every frame, but you only perform actual updates (to display) once a second |
| 09:45.56 | rapidgame | okay, so i shouldnt use the OnUpdate function to update the window's values? |
| 09:46.06 | Xinhuan | you have to |
| 09:46.14 | rapidgame | or does the display only update @ a max of once per second |
| 09:46.15 | Xinhuan | but i'm saying you can throtle your OnUpdate function |
| 09:46.24 | Xinhuan | so that it only updates the screen at a max of once per second |
| 09:46.25 | doom0r | thul: no |
| 09:46.30 | rapidgame | okay - i'll look it up, thanks for the tip :-) |
| 09:47.18 | thul | doom0r? |
| 09:47.35 | doom0r | she looks like a heroic addict |
| 09:48.51 | thul | heroic addict? |
| 09:48.56 | thul | too much heoric violet hold? :-P |
| 09:52.09 | doom0r | ~weather KMDW |
| 09:52.32 | Arrowmaster | ~weather kday |
| 09:52.55 | doom0r | my hand started to freeze to the door knob the moment i touched it because it had too much moisture in it |
| 09:54.18 | doom0r | thul: ? |
| 09:54.25 | doom0r | look at her arms |
| 09:54.36 | thul | they are fit :-) you confuse "fit" with "heroine addicted" |
| 09:54.42 | thul | but that is quite common :-P |
| 09:54.56 | doom0r | no |
| 09:55.22 | doom0r | veins bulging and skin wrapping too tight is horrendous |
| 09:55.52 | thul | well, that is your opinion, but trying to liken that level of fitness with heroine addiction is just plain wrong :-) |
| 09:56.15 | thul | just state "i don't like that state of fitness in girls" or something synonymous, don't make up crazy stuff like "she looks like she is on heroine!!" :-P |
| 09:56.15 | doom0r | not at all, have you ever seen a heroin addicts arms? |
| 09:56.37 | thul | yes |
| 09:56.42 | thul | I have worked with heroine addicts for three years |
| 09:56.57 | thul | and they don't look even remotely like her healthy, well colored, unbruised amrs. |
| 09:57.07 | thul | there is _no_ similarity |
| 09:57.08 | rapidgame | i have been reading http://www.wowwiki.com/Using_OnUpdate_correctly and i am having trouble calling the on update function, currently i am calling it with displayFrame:OnUpdate(Pillager:OnUpdate(self, elapsed)) - but elapsed seems to be a nil value |
| 09:57.10 | thul | what |
| 09:57.12 | thul | so |
| 09:57.15 | thul | ever. |
| 09:57.28 | thul | trust me, I have searched heroine addict's arms for a pulse more times than I care to think of, and they don't look anything like jamie eason :-) |
| 09:58.00 | Arrowmaster | emt? |
| 09:58.11 | rapidgame | emt? |
| 09:58.23 | Arrowmaster | talking to thul |
| 09:59.26 | thul | Arrowmaster: well, working security on the largest trainstation in norway, which also is the main hangout for heorine addicts (or, was, when i worked there, now they get lugged around the city). we had adrenaline and .. hmm, what is it called in english? antidote? and heartstarters.. and approx 1-2 ODs each day |
| 09:59.32 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Elkano * r128 / (6 files in 4 directories): [data] removed sets for the removed Poisons tradeskill |
| 09:59.34 | Repo | [dataminer] integrated TradeskillLevels handler into the tradeskill handler (same page mined); this also fixes some problems with wrong IDs |
| 09:59.37 | Repo | [TradeskillLevels] format is a/b/c/d where a-d are either a number (indicating the skill level) or the dash char "-" (indicating that the skill never has that color) |
| 10:00.13 | thul | I don't.. understand how the EMT-OD team does it. They are a team of 10 guys and girls (5 cars) that does ODs every day, every year.. that is their speciality. finding the same worn out bodies, the same worn out spirits, getting the same flask for ruining their high each time |
| 10:00.24 | thul | I would _so_ burn out after about 3 weeks :-P |
| 10:01.37 | Zhinjio | thul: adrenalin |
| 10:02.10 | thul | k |
| 10:02.17 | Zhinjio | oh |
| 10:02.19 | Zhinjio | sorry, you said that |
| 10:02.21 | Zhinjio | I misread |
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| 10:03.03 | Zhinjio | I have alot of EMT friends, and used to know all their gear. |
| 10:03.07 | Zhinjio | \but its been too loneg |
| 10:03.08 | thul | well, we got two kinds of shots, one antidote thing to put in their thigh, and adrenaline to kick-start stuff if that did not work out too well and ah eart-starter :-P but we seldom used that, we mostly just searhed for a pulse, ventilated and hoped for an ambulance soon :-P |
| 10:03.08 | Zhinjio | long |
| 10:03.12 | thul | hehe |
| 10:03.17 | thul | same here.. it slips out quite fast. |
| 10:04.34 | Zhinjio | I believe the "wake up" drug is called "Narcan" |
| 10:04.44 | Zhinjio | only works for opiates though |
| 10:05.16 | thul | I'm just glad i don't have to think about that anymore :-D |
| 10:05.24 | thul | being a sleazy lawyerboy is easier :-) |
| 10:06.07 | Arrowmaster | cold, gona go crawl in bed until i have to get up in 5 hours |
| 10:06.15 | thul | ach :/ |
| 10:06.18 | thul | hugs Arrowmaster |
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| 10:10.22 | doom0r | rapidgame: have you looked at http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetScript yet? |
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| 10:15.36 | rapidgame | yep, im reading http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15232&page=3 for info on the best way to do the onupdate |
| 10:15.52 | rapidgame | @doom0r, btw |
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| 10:25.36 | doom0r | rapidgame: progress? |
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| 10:31.44 | rapidgame | yeah, i seem to have got it to work, i'll paste my code up on paste.wowace |
| 10:32.40 | rapidgame | http://www.wowace.com/paste/152/ |
| 10:37.30 | rapidgame | does Ace or the core wow api have any built in time formatting functions? |
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| 10:40.51 | linear` | what are you trying to format |
| 10:45.42 | rapidgame | while, i have time() and i want to format it to hh:mm:ss - im also looking to format some numbers (doing stuff like rounding etc) |
| 10:45.55 | linear` | use the date function |
| 10:46.00 | Zhinjio | ckknight: I have a weirdness for you |
| 10:46.01 | rapidgame | thanks :-) |
| 10:46.05 | linear` | and string.format for numbers |
| 10:47.17 | rapidgame | linear: thanks man, i'll have a look at those :-) |
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| 10:47.59 | Zhinjio | ckknight, weirdness: there is a string showing up in the enUS block as untranslated (commented out) |
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| 10:48.05 | Zhinjio | that shouldn't be possible. |
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| 10:54.14 | Repo | 10failboat: 03ananhaid * r42 loc/Locals-zhCN.lua: FailBoat: |
| 10:54.16 | Repo | - zhCN update. |
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| 11:04.41 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * b67ee1a Modules/Aura (3 files in 1 directory): [+4 commits] |
| 11:04.43 | Repo | b67ee1a: Upvalue changes. |
| 11:04.46 | Repo | d1d4b89: Add initial sorting implementation to the Aura module. |
| 11:04.48 | Repo | d0a2292: Switch to using GUIDs to track what needs updating in Aura module. |
| 11:04.51 | Repo | 4d45c00: Use a pool of table entries to allow us to remove entries from the aura |
| 11:06.05 | doom0r | rapidgame: i don't know crap, but at a glance, it looks like you have extra stuff set to your "group" and you have strings for functions in your options table |
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| 11:18.51 | rapidgame | oh, yeah i have heaps of random stuff in there from the welcome home tutorial haha |
| 11:19.30 | rapidgame | i've takin most of the unneeded stuff out now |
| 11:19.39 | doom0r | func = "callReset" |
| 11:21.11 | digmouse | ckknight: ping |
| 11:22.13 | rapidgame | yeah, i think for AceDB it needs no be a string, because it doesnt work without the quotes ;-) |
| 11:23.50 | rapidgame | im trying to get the time formatted HH:MM:SS and im doing so okay with date(), but it automatically sets the HH to a 00-23 value, any suggestions on making it go from 00-99, i know this isnt supported by date() so i'd have to code something myself, or use another function |
| 11:23.54 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Elkano * r129 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 11:23.55 | Repo | [Tradeskill.Mat.ByType.Cloth] fixed a type (Knothide Leather -> Netherweave Cloth) |
| 11:25.24 | Elkano | oh, made a typo... should have been typo... |
| 11:25.37 | rapidgame | lol |
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| 11:55.34 | haste | what's the first quest hub in zul'drak? |
| 11:57.38 | renchap | light's breach |
| 11:57.54 | doom0r | depends on who sends you to who iirc |
| 11:58.07 | doom0r | there's at least 3 quests to send you to someone to start the zone |
| 11:58.12 | renchap | then ebon watch, and then the argent stand |
| 11:58.27 | renchap | (if you come from dragonblight |
| 12:00.22 | rapidgame | haha, anyone know how to fix shaky text? whenever the time value updates, the whole string of text moves left or right - thought it would be anchored to one side and only the other side would move |
| 12:00.59 | haste | just going to complete all the quests there, and it's always nice to start from the point you get sent to |
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| 12:16.45 | rapidgame | hmm, changed the font and it seems to have fixed the problem |
| 12:25.01 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * a8d642f Modules/Aura (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Add Sample Weapon Buffs in Config mode. |
| 12:30.27 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Isler * r100 GridStatusHots_locale.lua: zhCN & zhTW update |
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| 12:39.43 | rapidgame | ckknight, you still online? |
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| 12:40.13 | Toadkiller | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
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| 12:41.47 | rapidgame | am i able to just download libabacus and pop it in my lib folder? |
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| 12:43.09 | doom0r | you still need to load it |
| 12:44.18 | rapidgame | on xml, and with the LibSub(etc) commands? |
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| 12:45.09 | doom0r | if you're using a library xml file, yes |
| 12:46.26 | doom0r | Pillager.toc might have embeds.xml which in turn would have the libraries you load |
| 12:46.33 | rapidgame | it has a lib stub folder in it, do i need to keep that even thought i have lib stub in my libs folder? |
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| 12:47.16 | doom0r | no |
| 12:47.24 | doom0r | libstub just needs to be loaded before other stuff |
| 12:48.59 | rapidgame | so i can remove the libstub folder from the libabacus directory? |
| 12:49.38 | doom0r | you only have 1 version of libstub ever loaded, and the point of libstub is so that you don't have anything but 1 latest revision of a library loaded |
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| 12:50.47 | rapidgame | cool, i removed the libstub subfolder, as well as the .toc file for abacus as well - i figure thats not needed |
| 12:51.07 | doom0r | nope, it's there for standalone loading |
| 12:52.17 | doom0r | which is why libstub is there too |
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| 12:55.10 | rapidgame | sweet, im testing it now *crosses fingers* |
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| 13:02.10 | Trell- | I asked this before, but I'll ask again, does anyone get lockups when using panda to prospect |
| 13:02.13 | Trell- | and/or mill |
| 13:02.34 | Trell- | its only when the loot screen comes up |
| 13:02.35 | doom0r | close skillet |
| 13:02.39 | doom0r | ? |
| 13:02.44 | Trell- | skilelts not open |
| 13:02.51 | doom0r | hmm, that happened to me with that |
| 13:03.12 | doom0r | you have something autolooting? |
| 13:03.19 | doom0r | like looter or such |
| 13:03.26 | Trell- | yeah |
| 13:03.30 | Trell- | I have auto loot enabled |
| 13:03.32 | Trell- | and Xloot |
| 13:03.45 | Trell- | but I've been using xloot for, well, forever |
| 13:03.49 | doom0r | do you have the hide on auto loot turned on in xloot? |
| 13:03.56 | Trell- | dont think so |
| 13:04.23 | doom0r | i don't have autoloot on, so i don't have a reference |
| 13:04.28 | Trell- | "hide empty loot buttons" |
| 13:04.37 | doom0r | no |
| 13:04.52 | doom0r | hide frame when auto-looting |
| 13:04.55 | Trell- | yeah |
| 13:04.57 | Trell- | thats not ticked |
| 13:05.16 | doom0r | or snap to cursor? |
| 13:05.43 | Trell- | yeah thats ticked, but i just unticked it |
| 13:05.45 | Trell- | and still no difference |
| 13:05.53 | Trell- | its like a 1s or so lockup when the loot window appears |
| 13:05.53 | doom0r | hmmm, dunno |
| 13:06.12 | doom0r | mine lags a lil sometimes |
| 13:06.18 | doom0r | but not that much |
| 13:06.41 | Trell- | even just disabled xloot |
| 13:06.44 | Trell- | and still the same issue |
| 13:06.45 | doom0r | i figured it was just something to do with frame management |
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| 13:08.09 | doom0r | i don't suppose you're doing it in dal with low fps as it is :P |
| 13:08.27 | Trell- | SW with around 60fps :P |
| 13:08.37 | rapidgame | well, everything seems to work with my addon - i think im going to try upload it onto curseforge |
| 13:08.45 | doom0r | hmm, i get a lil jerk lag, but no 1s really |
| 13:09.08 | doom0r | heh |
| 13:09.33 | Kalroth | you know what they say, like lag like user |
| 13:09.47 | Kalroth | so if you're getting jerk lag .. ! |
| 13:09.48 | Trell- | Found that [Saronite Ore] prospects into:[13:09:21] [Chalcedony] x1 |
| 13:09.52 | Trell- | is that from Panda? |
| 13:10.17 | doom0r | Kalroth: nah, i don't get asshole lag |
| 13:10.29 | doom0r | Trell-: Enchatrix |
| 13:10.32 | Kalroth | doom0r: how would you know? |
| 13:10.37 | Trell- | that could be it |
| 13:10.41 | Trell- | lemme go disable that |
| 13:11.10 | doom0r | believe me, i know when that happens |
| 13:13.11 | Trell- | nope, wasn't enchantrix |
| 13:13.26 | Trell- | grr, this is annoying me now :( |
| 13:14.19 | Kalroth | owned! |
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| 13:30.10 | Trell- | I was sure it was panda |
| 13:30.19 | Trell- | because if I keybind my prospect skill |
| 13:30.24 | Trell- | and dont open panda's own frame |
| 13:30.36 | Trell- | and just open my bag and keep hitting my keybind, I get no lag when looting |
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| 14:17.45 | Repo | 10questitem: 03Pericles * r34 .pkgmeta: QuestItem: - |
| 14:17.47 | Repo | Added LibSharedMedia as dependency. |
| 14:18.47 | Repo | 10questitem: 03Pericles * r35 / (2 files in 1 directory): QuestItem: - |
| 14:18.49 | Repo | Bumped version to 1.22 |
| 14:19.17 | Repo | 10questitem: 03Pericles 04v1.22 * r36 : QuestItem: - |
| 14:19.20 | Repo | Release v1.22 to curse. |
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| 14:24.23 | ckknight | digmouse: pong |
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| 14:24.55 | ckknight | Zhinjio: is it the first string? is it because you have a space between -- and @? |
| 14:32.58 | digmouse | ck: what if someone changed the localizations in a way I dont want to or mess things up? |
| 14:36.01 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic 041.4.1 * r343 : Tagging as 1.4.1. Changes since last release: |
| 14:36.03 | Repo | - fixed a bug introduced in 1.4 that was causing taint in the target health module |
| 14:36.06 | Repo | - added a fourth line of text (empty by default) by request to the TargetInfo module |
| 14:36.08 | Repo | - fix for HfB text staying on the screen after the buff has timed out (Thanks Tunde!) |
| 14:42.25 | ckknight | digmouse: if they spam or do nasty things, we can ban them and delete their translations, reverting to the previous translation (or no translation) for each phrase they mess with |
| 14:42.40 | ckknight | digmouse: note that only authors can mess with the English section |
| 14:43.56 | digmouse | hours ago someone maked someting messed in zhTW of PitBull4, they put Simplified Chinese into Traditional Chinese localization, I've reverted them |
| 14:46.08 | ckknight | okay |
| 14:48.21 | Tinyboom | are we getting cc sync again anytime soon? |
| 14:50.18 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 738eade UnitFrameLayout.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 14:50.21 | Repo | 738eade: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.curseforge.net:wow/pitbull4/mainline |
| 14:50.24 | Repo | 1dea5e4: fix an indicator positioning issue for Outside, Bottom |
| 14:55.19 | Elkano | where is Fisker- when I need someone to project all my hate on? :/ |
| 15:00.39 | steev | woo |
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| 15:01.34 | steev | i can finally see spell effects on my dk |
| 15:02.29 | steev | well, i could previously, but when raiding, no way |
| 15:02.45 | steev | e.g. getting Jenkins title, as soon as DnD drops i lock up |
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| 15:11.35 | Elkano | ~seen nymbia |
| 15:11.37 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@c-67-190-49-185.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 18d 13h 56m 49s ago, saying: 'sherpentshrine cavern ;)'. |
| 15:12.13 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r524 / (9 files in 4 directories): deDE updates from Farook |
| 15:13.29 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe * r101 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added (incomplete) esMX-localization |
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| 15:14.48 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe 043.1 * r102 : Tagging as 3.1 |
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| 15:18.11 | Stanzilla | http://i40.tinypic.com/x4lv0i.png <3 PitBull4 |
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| 15:21.35 | Tinyboom | Stanzilla: is it possible to share that config? ;) |
| 15:21.50 | Stanzilla | hm yes |
| 15:25.07 | Repo | 10project-14103: 03CrazyBenny 06bennys-gafs * r42 / (4 files in 1 directory): GridAutoFrameSize : |
| 15:25.09 | Repo | - updated for new zones |
| 15:25.12 | Repo | - removed RosterLib reference |
| 15:25.19 | Stanzilla | Tinyboom: www.stantown.de/PitBull4.lua |
| 15:26.08 | Stanzilla | throws AceDBOptions at ckknight |
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| 15:27.47 | Thrae | ckknight_: I've always been your straight man. |
| 15:28.40 | ckknight_ | hehe |
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| 15:31.46 | steev | Stanzilla: hrm |
| 15:31.55 | steev | Stanzilla: looks a lot like Caith setup |
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| 15:32.14 | Stanzilla | steev: it is caith but for the new pitbull |
| 15:32.39 | steev | steals it then |
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| 15:34.28 | steev | :%s/Nemona - Zirkel des Cenarius/Steev - Draka/ |
| 15:34.29 | steev | er |
| 15:34.40 | Stanzilla | fail :> |
| 15:34.59 | steev | indeed :( |
| 15:35.06 | steev | but vi still wins. |
| 15:35.13 | steev | 11 substitutions on 11 lines |
| 15:35.28 | steev | although I have no idea if i have BigNoodleTitling |
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| 15:41.26 | steev | so close |
| 15:41.39 | steev | although tot frame text name keeps blinking |
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| 15:47.17 | Repo | 10libhealcomm-3-0: 03jlam 04release * r30 : Tag r16 as latest stable release. |
| 15:50.30 | Repo | 10grid-mana-bars: 03Julith * r71 / (3 files in 1 directory): GridManaBars: |
| 15:50.32 | Repo | - added option to change color of runic power (thanks 7destiny) |
| 15:51.48 | Repo | 10grid-mana-bars: 03Julith 04v0.86 * r72 : Tagging as v0.86 |
| 15:51.52 | ckknight | pastamancer: recommend a PostgreSQL book |
| 15:52.06 | pastamancer | ckknight: umm |
| 15:52.09 | ckknight | so that we may feign learning |
| 15:52.21 | pastamancer | oh right |
| 15:52.26 | pastamancer | for developers or admins? |
| 15:52.27 | many | haha |
| 15:52.32 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 15:52.34 | quiescens | couldn't you just pretend you have the name of a book too |
| 15:52.38 | ckknight | one of each? |
| 15:52.46 | ckknight | quiescens: nah, book has to be in the office |
| 15:53.02 | quiescens | of course |
| 15:53.15 | ckknight | btw, we'll be doing the postgres transition on Monday |
| 15:53.28 | steev | mmmm postgres |
| 15:53.33 | pastamancer | oh, how about three books? |
| 15:53.38 | quiescens | I've always preferred postgres |
| 15:53.50 | quiescens | probably for no particularly convincing reason |
| 15:53.51 | steev | we use it on ~30 servers here |
| 15:53.52 | pastamancer | "The PostgreSQL Reference Manual" Volumes 1-3 |
| 15:53.54 | Grum | not that much to learn about postgres :) |
| 15:54.07 | steev | Grum: tweaking it |
| 15:54.11 | Grum | depending on your setup ofc |
| 15:54.12 | steev | but thats install time mainly |
| 15:54.20 | ckknight | pastamancer: okay |
| 15:54.21 | pastamancer | or just one of the oreilly books |
| 15:54.30 | Grum | installtime? i hope you can just change it after installing as well ;) |
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| 15:54.48 | steev | Grum: well, install/setup - you shouldn't be tweaking it once its setup properly |
| 15:55.11 | steev | then again, we don't push quite the amount of traffic through ours that curse would |
| 15:55.25 | Grum | setting it up for normal use is quite trivial; adding replication is a bit harder :) |
| 15:55.33 | steev | eh |
| 15:55.38 | steev | not really |
| 15:55.44 | steev | at least, not with new versions |
| 15:55.51 | quiescens | its better now than it used to be |
| 15:55.58 | steev | if you use whats in Debian "stable" |
| 15:55.59 | steev | sure |
| 15:56.28 | Grum | is it still external? (aka Slony?) |
| 15:56.37 | steev | we actually replicate from an mssql server :( |
| 15:56.37 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r525 Zul'Drak/Gal'darah.lua: Tweak to local function |
| 15:56.55 | Grum | lol |
| 15:56.58 | steev | i don't actually recall, we set it up so long ago |
| 15:57.05 | steev | i just kno the master db is mssql |
| 15:57.16 | Repo | 10ihml: 03mojosdojo * r139 locales/locale-deDE.lua: IHML: |
| 15:57.19 | Repo | - deDE update |
| 15:57.34 | steev | and then we replicate to a pgsql, and then the 30 servers hit the pgsql |
| 15:57.38 | Grum | quite sure that is something custom then :) |
| 15:57.57 | steev | pretty much everything is here :) |
| 15:58.16 | steev | actually replaced mysql |
| 15:58.38 | steev | for our needs, it was magnatudes faster |
| 15:59.02 | steev | and much easier on the boxes themselves |
| 15:59.22 | steev | although since we bumped em all to 64bit last year |
| 15:59.29 | pastamancer | easier on the developers too :p |
| 15:59.33 | steev | not sure it would really make a difference anymore |
| 15:59.42 | pastamancer | my developers would kill me if I told them they couldn't have postgres |
| 15:59.44 | Grum | seems you still need to use pgpool+Slony-I |
| 16:00.02 | steev | i built the original server that the 64bit ones are based on |
| 16:00.04 | Grum | pastamancer: how does it matter much for devvers? |
| 16:00.09 | steev | it was an 800mhz |
| 16:00.15 | Kaelten | heh |
| 16:00.17 | steev | the servers at the time were 2.4ghz |
| 16:00.20 | Grum | you just have an abstraction layer which sits on your db o.O |
| 16:00.27 | pastamancer | because they're actually writing stored procedures and views, and using tablespaces |
| 16:00.34 | Kaelten | pastamancer: those books you recommended have only 1 review on amazon and it doesn't look very flattering |
| 16:00.41 | steev | and the 800mhz was outperforming them |
| 16:00.42 | Repo | 10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Sunmark * r161 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: - update zhTW |
| 16:00.45 | pastamancer | Kaelten: they look nice on a bookshelf |
| 16:00.52 | Kaelten | lol |
| 16:01.17 | Kaelten | well I'd like to have something useful, at least for the server config side of it all |
| 16:01.20 | Grum | Kaelten: what kind of setup will you be building/replacing? |
| 16:01.26 | pastamancer | try http://www.amazon.com/PostgreSQL-Developers-Library-Korry-Douglas/dp/0672327562/ref=pd_sim_b_2 |
| 16:01.28 | steev | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/ |
| 16:01.36 | Grum | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/ |
| 16:01.37 | Grum | lol |
| 16:01.40 | Grum | indeed steev =D |
| 16:01.44 | Kaelten | replacing innodb mysql with postgres |
| 16:01.48 | pastamancer | oh right... I was looking for that page |
| 16:01.59 | Grum | Kaelten: single server? or master+slaves? or a mysql cluster (NDB?) |
| 16:02.17 | Kaelten | single server or both |
| 16:02.18 | Kaelten | on |
| 16:02.37 | Grum | how mad did you need to tweak mysql to have it perform properly? |
| 16:02.52 | Grum | i know you will likely assign it more memory but most tweaks end there :) |
| 16:03.00 | Grum | it should not be different for psql |
| 16:03.09 | Kaelten | I tweaked the hell out of it |
| 16:03.11 | Kaelten | did everything I could |
| 16:03.15 | steev | pgsql can be a tad trickier |
| 16:03.22 | steev | but for the most part |
| 16:03.27 | steev | latest versions are mad solid |
| 16:03.29 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r526 Stratholme/Mal'Ganis.lua: Fix Sleep calls |
| 16:03.32 | Repo | ~lart ulic |
| 16:03.32 | purl | eats ulic's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 16:03.38 | Grum | it has been mad solid since 7.0 orso :) |
| 16:04.04 | Kaelten | we'll be using 8.3 |
| 16:04.25 | steev | good man |
| 16:05.56 | steev | shouldn't need as many tweaks |
| 16:05.58 | ckknight | it's funny how many people recommend postgres over mysql |
| 16:06.12 | steev | ckknight: use mysql or die. |
| 16:06.24 | ckknight | I'm actually not sure I've talked to anyone (in this community, that is) that has recommended mysql over postgresql |
| 16:06.33 | Kaelten | I don't think I have |
| 16:06.35 | steev | mysql is awesome |
| 16:06.38 | steev | for blogging |
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| 16:06.41 | Grum | we actually took mysql over postgres here o.O |
| 16:06.50 | pastamancer | steev: haha |
| 16:07.01 | Kaelten | lol |
| 16:07.03 | ckknight | steev: you made me lol irl |
| 16:07.15 | Kaelten | mysql is ok, if you don't need transactions, want acid compliance, or data integrity |
| 16:07.20 | steev | used to piss me off that wordpress didn't offer pgsql support |
| 16:07.23 | Grum | but that is mostly because there are no high availability solutions for pg :( |
| 16:07.34 | Grum | and some fool managed to lock the software into mysql o.O |
| 16:07.42 | ckknight | lame |
| 16:07.57 | Grum | Kaelten: you have transactions in mysql o.O |
| 16:07.58 | steev | betta learn to unlock it |
| 16:08.00 | ckknight | wowace's code is DB-agnostic |
| 16:08.06 | ckknight | Grum: yea, we need to for some things |
| 16:08.37 | quiescens | mysql is a lot better with transactions than it once was too |
| 16:08.43 | Grum | its quite hard to make a postgres setup resilient . |
| 16:09.11 | quiescens | there are most likely horror stories from both sides really |
| 16:09.22 | Grum | well we did the research here and found not a single way to do it |
| 16:09.42 | Grum | where a hacluster+drdb+mysql did give a very resilient setup |
| 16:10.02 | ckknight | define resilient? |
| 16:10.09 | ckknight | :P |
| 16:10.23 | Grum | be running while half of your cluster is burning |
| 16:10.25 | steev | ckknight: lowers the crit strike chance against the server by .1% |
| 16:10.26 | quiescens | officially, having like |
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| 16:10.51 | ckknight | Grum: well, we don't and have no plans to cluster |
| 16:10.54 | Grum | most important; no data loss; survival of hardware loss |
| 16:11.00 | quiescens | the same thing run on several servers at the same time etc |
| 16:11.18 | Grum | well it doesnt matter if your setup dies for a day or 2 :p |
| 16:11.18 | quiescens | its not basic survival of hardware loss |
| 16:11.23 | steev | Grum: get betta hardware |
| 16:11.32 | Grum | powerfailure then steev |
| 16:11.34 | Pkekyo| | If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no women are there to hear him, is he still wrong? |
| 16:11.35 | quiescens | its, survival of hardware loss without downtime |
| 16:11.52 | Kaelten | ya Grum: thats a a concern of mine, but it's something I can live with, if I need too. |
| 16:11.57 | steev | Pkekyo|: yes |
| 16:11.59 | Grum | yeah we cant hehe |
| 16:12.12 | Grum | anything over 5 minutes downtime will show up ;) |
| 16:12.24 | steev | mmm 5 minutes |
| 16:12.24 | pastamancer | Grum: just curious, what problems did you run into with postgres and drbd? it looks application agnostic |
| 16:12.25 | Grum | and starting the service takes 7 minutes atm o.O |
| 16:12.27 | steev | that would be nice |
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| 16:12.49 | steev | we get phone calls the *second* a server is down |
| 16:12.53 | Grum | pastamancer: i think the biggest issue was hacluster (it severely lacks documentation) |
| 16:12.54 | Kaelten | Grum: well problem is we don't have more than 1 db server |
| 16:12.57 | steev | well, all servers now |
| 16:13.01 | Grum | and the fact we couldnt really easily change :( |
| 16:13.02 | Kaelten | and probably won't unless we experiance a big growth in users |
| 16:13.05 | steev | which doesn't happen as often anymore |
| 16:13.14 | Grum | (change mysql -> psql) |
| 16:13.19 | ckknight | s/users/funding/ |
| 16:13.26 | steev | since we moved the servers out of here and into a datacenter that is multihomed with redundant battery backups |
| 16:13.29 | Kaelten | if it was up to me we'd be running 2 servers for each component, but it isn't and we don't |
| 16:13.43 | Grum | well you can prolly get away with slaves for the webservers :) |
| 16:13.47 | Grum | or just use memcached |
| 16:14.08 | quiescens | mysql does have support for actual cluster style replication, the more common postgresql replication is master-slave |
| 16:14.22 | Grum | yeah NDB i think the cluster setup is called |
| 16:14.26 | quiescens | potentially if you lose the master server, then you've lost write support until you do some reconfiguring |
| 16:14.28 | Grum | problem is; it is purely in memory |
| 16:14.30 | Grum | so that scales like shit |
| 16:14.36 | Grum | and you have a ~48 box limit |
| 16:15.03 | Grum | with 32gb per box we couldnt get enough redundant storage which would survive the expected growth over the next 5 years |
| 16:15.24 | steev | facepalm |
| 16:15.25 | pastamancer | HA belongs in the middleware! |
| 16:15.39 | steev | customer wants us to login to their firewall and figure out why they keep losing connection |
| 16:15.52 | steev | they send us login/password... but not the ip address of the firewall |
| 16:15.58 | quiescens | hop to it steev |
| 16:16.09 | pastamancer | maybe they'll send you a picture of the firewall next |
| 16:16.13 | pastamancer | actually |
| 16:16.15 | pastamancer | that's not a bad idea |
| 16:16.22 | quiescens | nono, they send you its physical address |
| 16:16.23 | pastamancer | maybe they have it ontop of the microwave or something |
| 16:16.38 | steev | don't get me started where some of our customers keep our servers |
| 16:17.07 | pastamancer | my favorite is in a closet with no ventilation |
| 16:17.10 | steev | in the ceiling of their gymnasium |
| 16:17.18 | pastamancer | hahaha |
| 16:17.22 | ckknight | lol, steev |
| 16:17.27 | steev | funny |
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| 16:17.36 | steev | until you need them to connect a monitor and keyboard to it |
| 16:18.09 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/abt/. Advanced Blacksmith Tool. ericvlasov (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis. |
| 16:18.14 | steev | oooh |
| 16:18.18 | steev | advanced blacksmith tool |
| 16:18.36 | steev | spiffy |
| 16:18.38 | quiescens | advanced~ |
| 16:18.44 | steev | maybe ill finally level mine |
| 16:18.47 | steev | though i doubt it |
| 16:18.54 | steev | im still supposed to be making thorium stuffs |
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| 16:19.03 | winkiller | all my problems would be fixed if blizzard's focus on the search box wasn't broken |
| 16:19.23 | winkiller | you search "titanium", click the recipe, want to /g to link it and.. are in the search box again |
| 16:19.50 | winkiller | which means taking the mouse, clicking any name and then being able to type /g |
| 16:19.52 | steev | i want to search based on what the item gives |
| 16:20.15 | steev | i.e. search for enchants that offer resilience |
| 16:20.37 | Grum | its sad you cannot easily change the craft UI |
| 16:20.41 | Ackis | steev: craftlist2 does that methinks |
| 16:20.57 | Grum | would be nice to have +24 STA next to 'Solid Sky Sapphire' |
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| 16:21.30 | quiescens | it should have just been called a '+24sta sky sapphire' |
| 16:21.45 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1395 AckisRecipeList.toc: toc update |
| 16:22.04 | steev | there's only 1 enchant that offers resilience :( |
| 16:22.12 | steev | i want more than 494 resilience damn it |
| 16:22.33 | quiescens | resilience to shield! |
| 16:22.48 | steev | helpful... but not to a dk |
| 16:22.58 | quiescens | excuses |
| 16:23.09 | steev | although that reminds me of the tanking thread |
| 16:24.52 | steev | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318707042&sid=1 thread is obviously a joke, but comment 5 is priceless |
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| 16:26.00 | Xinhuan | hmm is this Curse newsletter legit in my email, or spam |
| 16:26.10 | jnwhiteh | I didn't get one |
| 16:26.20 | Xinhuan | my ISP filtered it out as spam |
| 16:26.21 | jnwhiteh | I did get a ui.worldofwar "update" tho |
| 16:26.30 | Xinhuan | i had to log on ISP mail server side to see it |
| 16:26.43 | jnwhiteh | I've got nothing in my spam folder on gmail |
| 16:26.44 | pentium166 | i'm going to photoshop a picture of my character screen and change Shaman to Grounding Totem |
| 16:26.45 | steev | i got the curse newsletter |
| 16:26.51 | quiescens | I got some curse thing |
| 16:26.52 | jnwhiteh | maybe they hate me :P |
| 16:26.52 | Xinhuan | Return-Path: sender_2511_22@emailcampaigns.net |
| 16:26.57 | Xinhuan | is that the same for you |
| 16:27.07 | Xinhuan | Received: from ms9.emailcampaigns.net (216.27.20.139) |
| 16:27.08 | Xinhuan | by mx7.pacific.net.sg with SMTP; 13 Jan 2009 15:18:34 -0000 |
| 16:27.13 | ckknight | apparently it's real |
| 16:27.18 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 16:27.24 | steev | Xinhuan: oh i dunno, i deleted it, but iirc it definitely seemed odd to not come from curse |
| 16:27.29 | ckknight | note: might also be spam |
| 16:27.44 | steev | lemme double chekc if i emptied the trash |
| 16:27.44 | ckknight | steev: we pay some company to send out emails I think |
| 16:27.46 | quiescens | gasp |
| 16:27.57 | steev | ckknight: lamer, send it yourself! |
| 16:28.04 | Xinhuan | From: Curse <newsletter@curse.com> |
| 16:28.04 | Xinhuan | Reply-To: Curse <newsletter@curse.com> |
| 16:28.05 | ckknight | there's issues with that |
| 16:28.05 | quiescens | its both spam *and* real |
| 16:28.08 | steev | use outlook! it makes sending email easy, and fun! |
| 16:28.16 | Xinhuan | there's actually a domainkey-signature in that header |
| 16:28.51 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03vangual 06vangual 07master * 087f039 / (29 files in 16 directories): [+34 commits] (30 truncated) |
| 16:28.54 | Repo | 087f039: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.wowace.com:wow/pitbull4/mainline.git |
| 16:28.57 | Repo | c14bfee: pbtt: Removed option totemsize |
| 16:28.59 | Repo | 738eade: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.curseforge.net:wow/pitbull4/mainline |
| 16:29.02 | Repo | 1dea5e4: fix an indicator positioning issue for Outside, Bottom |
| 16:29.16 | Xinhuan | the email advertises Questhelper, Cartographer and Atlasloot Enhanced as popular addons lol |
| 16:29.25 | steev | reply-toCurse <newsletter@curse.com> |
| 16:29.25 | steev | tosteev@gentoo.org |
| 16:29.26 | steev | dateTue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:15 AM |
| 16:29.47 | Xinhuan | and "Squared" "LibSlash" and "Tome Titan" as Hot Addons |
| 16:29.54 | Xinhuan | i haven't even heard of them before |
| 16:29.56 | steev | tome titan? |
| 16:29.59 | steev | HAWT |
| 16:30.23 | steev | but yeah |
| 16:30.26 | steev | thats the same one i got |
| 16:30.49 | steev | Received-SPF: softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning sender_2511_22@emailcampaigns.net does not designate 216.27.20.139 as permitted sender) client-ip=216.27.20.139; |
| 16:31.19 | quiescens | I got SPF pass I think |
| 16:31.49 | steev | SOFTFAIL |
| 16:32.23 | steev | srsly though, txtonly version plz |
| 16:32.39 | steev | still uses mutt |
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| 16:32.47 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/paste/154/ |
| 16:32.54 | steev | ^^keylogger |
| 16:32.59 | *** part/#wowace froks (n=hmmm@e179216031.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:33.02 | Xinhuan | that's the header, full of extra information that usual emails dont' have |
| 16:33.26 | steev | List-Owner: <mailto:dduncan@curse.com> |
| 16:33.37 | ckknight | I know that guy |
| 16:33.38 | steev | there's the person to yell at! |
| 16:34.39 | quiescens | spf softfail was probably due to transient dns delay/failure? |
| 16:35.28 | Xinhuan | i'm not actually sure |
| 16:35.35 | Xinhuan | but the email says its sent on jan 13 |
| 16:35.39 | steev | DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=dksel; d=emailcampaigns.net; |
| 16:35.43 | Xinhuan | and its jan 17 now (for me at least) |
| 16:35.52 | Xinhuan | so a 4-day delay? |
| 16:35.53 | steev | relaxed/relaxed means it should be able to send from any IP |
| 16:36.01 | quiescens | no I mean |
| 16:36.03 | steev | Xinhuan: greylisting possibly |
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| 16:36.19 | steev | quiescens: softfail means it would fail without the relaxed setting in the dkim sig |
| 16:36.34 | steev | meaning it still did, but its allowed to be sent anyway because of the relaxed |
| 16:36.57 | quiescens | the ip address it sent from does match the spf record |
| 16:36.58 | quiescens | lol |
| 16:37.01 | Xinhuan | so my email client correctly places the date at jan 13 |
| 16:37.09 | Xinhuan | just wondering why i didn't actually receive it until today |
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| 16:38.06 | steev | softfail The SPF check failed, but the queried domain can't absolutely confirm that this is a forgery |
| 16:38.30 | quiescens | yes, yes |
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| 16:38.47 | quiescens | I understand what softfail is |
| 16:38.55 | quiescens | but v=spf1 ip4:216.27.20.128/27 a mx ~all |
| 16:39.07 | quiescens | 216.27.20.139 is the sender |
| 16:39.17 | quiescens | 216.27.20.128/27 is 216.27.20.129 |
| 16:39.22 | quiescens | to 216.27.20.158 |
| 16:39.29 | quiescens | so it should have passed |
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| 16:44.58 | steev | im not running the mailserver :-P |
| 16:45.02 | steev | im just telling you what it says |
| 16:51.14 | Repo | 10tank-points: 03Whitetooth * r96 TankPoints.lua: |
| 16:51.16 | Repo | - Paladin: Combat table will now reflect the effects of Holy Shield if you set it at 100% uptime. To set 100% Holy Shield uptime, use a sqfreq lower then or equal to 2 secs, ex: /tp player sbfreq 2 |
| 16:57.57 | Repo | 10tank-points: 03Whitetooth * r97 TankPoints.lua: - Fixed paladin error |
| 16:58.19 | Repo | 10broker_reczone: 03LordFarlander * r55 Zones.lua: Broker_RecZone: |
| 16:58.21 | Repo | - oops pooched the heroic instances |
| 17:05.27 | Repo | 10broker_reczone: 03LordFarlander 043.0.56-beta * r56 : Tagging as 3.0.56-beta |
| 17:08.32 | steev | @project tank-points |
| 17:08.33 | Repo | steev: http://www.wowace.com/projects/tank-points/. TankPoints. Game: WoW. Whitetooth (Manager/Author). Updated: 10 minutes ago. Tickets: 1/2 |
| 17:09.31 | steev | Whitetooth: does that support DK tanks? |
| 17:09.50 | Whitetooth | mostly yes |
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| 17:13.27 | Repo | 10arl: 03Jim-Bim * r1396 RecipeDB/ARL-Vendor.lua: AckisRecipeList: |
| 17:13.29 | Repo | - fixed wotlk cooking recipe vendor location |
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| 17:27.53 | Julith | foes anyone know the spellid of the paladins "Sacred Shield" buff (the actual six seconds shield not the 30 seconds buff) |
| 17:27.59 | Julith | does |
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| 17:29.23 | Adys | theres only two spells named sacred shield |
| 17:29.36 | Adys | 53601 and 58597 |
| 17:29.36 | Repo | 10libhealcomm-3-0: 03jlam * r32 LibHealComm-3.0.lua: |
| 17:29.36 | Repo | Rename "effectiveHealBuff" to "effectiveHealModifier" to more accurately self-document its purpose. |
| 17:29.49 | quiescens | how many guesses do I get |
| 17:29.54 | Adys | its 58597 |
| 17:30.25 | Julith | ah thanks, how do you know? |
| 17:30.33 | Adys | i checked.. |
| 17:30.54 | Julith | ingame? |
| 17:31.37 | Julith | I just ask because if you got it from some site I could look myself in the future :) |
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| 17:34.25 | Repo | 10gridstatusmending: 03Azethoth * r7 / (2 files in 1 directory): -- Guid Grid update |
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| 17:34.42 | durcyn | you can find it on wowhead |
| 17:36.04 | Adys | wowdb/wowhead or addons ingame |
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| 17:37.41 | Julith | ah, wowhead doesn't list the 6sec aura, but wowdb does. Thanks! |
| 17:38.13 | steev | i wish there was a better way of keeping data synced |
| 17:39.25 | steev | what i mean by that is like |
| 17:39.32 | steev | at home i have Talented and Talented_Data |
| 17:39.43 | steev | but I get to work, and if I've imported anything... i don't have it here :( |
| 17:41.55 | Repo | 10gridstatusmending: 03Azethoth 04v3.00.03.01 release wotlk * r8 : Tagging as v3.00.03.01 release wotlk |
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| 17:45.16 | Repo | 10grid-status-party: 03kunda * r33 GridStatusParty.lua: removed Roster-2.1 reference |
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| 17:47.20 | Repo | 10gridstatusgrace: 03Azethoth * r7 GridStatusGrace.toc: -- v3.00.03.01 release |
| 17:47.34 | Repo | 10gridstatusgrace: 03Azethoth 04v3.00.03.01 release wotlk * r8 : Tagging as v3.00.03.01 release wotlk |
| 17:49.57 | Primer | Does the default UI's chat have no facility for copy/paste? |
| 17:50.11 | ckknight | copy-paste works for me |
| 17:50.20 | Xinhuan | default UI of what |
| 17:50.20 | ckknight | well, for stuff I type |
| 17:50.24 | ckknight | not for what other people type |
| 17:50.30 | Primer | I tried to get a guildy to run a /script to help me debug something, but he kept telling me "it doesn't work". Went on to find out that he was typing it all |
| 17:50.49 | Primer | default UI of...WoW? |
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| 17:50.57 | Xinhuan | maybe you should try to play the game without any addons for 24 hours :) |
| 17:50.57 | Primer | as in, no Prat or Chatter? |
| 17:51.05 | Primer | Xinhuan: impossible! |
| 17:51.22 | Xinhuan | 24 hours is all you need to tell which addons you can delete |
| 17:51.31 | Xinhuan | because you never use them/miss them ;p |
| 17:52.27 | Xinhuan | ~dict steak |
| 17:52.36 | Xinhuan | ~dict 2 steak |
| 17:52.52 | Repo | 10hazloot: 03MightyHaz * r15 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added (unimplemented) Suicide Kings module |
| 17:52.54 | Xinhuan | err fish can be called steak too? |
| 17:52.54 | Repo | Started to improve standalone testability of existing code |
| 17:52.56 | thul | i want a steak now, but I'm going to make sour cream porridge :-D |
| 17:52.56 | Xinhuan | ~dict 3 steak |
| 17:53.03 | amoeba | Xinhuan: Salmon steak, for example. Yes. |
| 17:53.16 | thul | Xinhuan: in the homeland of the salmon, we call them "salmon filets" |
| 17:53.17 | thul | :-D |
| 17:53.27 | amoeba | You live in Alaska, thul? |
| 17:53.31 | thul | I live in Norway |
| 17:53.33 | Primer | So, I still haven't been able to fix my addon with regards to the headless horseman's mount |
| 17:53.35 | amoeba | HA! |
| 17:53.38 | amoeba | Norwegians!!!! |
| 17:53.38 | Toadkiller | Total phail. Wheres the fillet mignon at? |
| 17:53.42 | Repo | 10gsshield: 03Julith * r14 LibShieldLeft.lua: GridStatusShield: |
| 17:53.44 | Repo | - fixed bug where environmental damage wasn't considered |
| 17:53.47 | Repo | - corrected school of "Hand of Protection" to physical |
| 17:53.50 | Repo | - corrected spellid of "Sacred Shield" |
| 17:54.06 | Primer | I'm now wondering if it's not a companion now |
| 17:55.29 | Primer | and if perhaps it has different spellids for the flying vs. non-flying versions |
| 17:55.54 | Primer | because my addon needs to detect if it's a flying mount vs. non-flying |
| 17:56.56 | Primer | Anyone know what speed a 60% flying mount goes when on the ground? |
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| 17:58.17 | ckknight | so I think I should rename PitBull4 |
| 17:58.26 | ckknight | to PitBull 2009 Enterprise Edition |
| 17:58.42 | amoeba | It's definitely more accurate. |
| 18:00.27 | Xinhuan | 38 more sota .... |
| 18:00.34 | Xinhuan | 7 more hours to go |
| 18:00.36 | steev | ckknight: you're missing more words |
| 18:00.40 | Xinhuan | I CAN DO IT |
| 18:00.43 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: for? |
| 18:00.46 | Xinhuan | for 100 wins |
| 18:00.46 | NivFreak | and man that's painful |
| 18:00.49 | ckknight | how about |
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| 18:00.51 | ckknight | PitBull 2009 Enterprise Edition (For Kids!) |
| 18:01.00 | Xinhuan | i only have 90 sota tokens in the mail bow |
| 18:01.03 | Xinhuan | now* |
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| 18:05.32 | Hjalte | Primer: 60% |
| 18:06.23 | Primer | Hjalte: people are reporting that this mount goes 100%, since that's what a ground mount with that skill would do, in such occasions |
| 18:06.53 | Primer | Hjalte: so a 280% flying goes 100% on the ground? |
| 18:07.03 | Primer | heh, I wish I hadn't vendored my slow mount |
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| 18:07.08 | NeoTron_ | ckknight: PitBull Vista 7 XP Home Premium edition |
| 18:07.09 | Hjalte | Primer: They're wrong. 60% flying mount is 60% on the ground and yes, 280% is 100% on the ground. |
| 18:07.14 | Primer | back before they didn't take up bag space |
| 18:07.25 | Primer | Hjalte: no, this is the Headless Horseman's mount |
| 18:07.32 | Hjalte | Primer: Uh. |
| 18:07.36 | Hjalte | Primer: Not sure then. |
| 18:07.42 | Primer | which, when summoned in Azeroth, presuming you have the skill, is 100% |
| 18:07.42 | Zhinjio | g'morning |
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| 18:09.09 | Repo | 10libhealcomm-3-0: 03jlam * r33 LibHealComm-3.0.lua: |
| 18:09.11 | Repo | Account for the Discipline Priest talents Focused Power and Grace. |
| 18:09.14 | durcyn | based on your current location and riding skill, the headless horseman's mount actually gives you one of four different mount auras |
| 18:09.15 | Repo | The Grace buff detection will be moved after the more general buff/debuff modifications have been made. |
| 18:09.51 | durcyn | which behave like standard mounts |
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| 18:10.07 | Primer | durcyn: REALLY |
| 18:10.12 | Primer | this helps |
| 18:10.12 | durcyn | YES |
| 18:10.22 | Primer | you wouldn't happen to have said mount? |
| 18:10.23 | durcyn | are you being sarcastic =( |
| 18:10.42 | Primer | no, I wasn't |
| 18:10.42 | durcyn | no |
| 18:10.42 | Primer | I was genuinely surprised |
| 18:10.42 | ultijlam | Is there a way in Lua code to detect whether an instance you've zoned into is regular or heroic? |
| 18:10.48 | Primer | because I've been fighting with this damn mount for 2 days now |
| 18:10.59 | Primer | ultijlam: OMG, I'm going to need that |
| 18:11.05 | Primer | for my other addon :) |
| 18:11.16 | Primer | ultijlam: if you find out, please let me know? |
| 18:11.38 | gix | ultijlam: GetInstanceDifficulty() |
| 18:11.38 | durcyn | Primer: based on wowhead search, the 75 riding skill variant is Headless Horseman's Unruly Mount, the 150 is Headless Horseman's Mount, the 225 is Headless Horseman's Flying mount, and I don't see the 300, but it's something similar |
| 18:11.59 | Primer | durcyn: and do these include the spellids of said auras? |
| 18:12.16 | durcyn | wowhead indexes by spellid, so i'd imagine so =P |
| 18:12.29 | NeoTron | yay. one of our healers whose computer broke maybe a month ago is finally bout to return |
| 18:12.37 | steev | NeoTron: lies |
| 18:12.38 | Primer | damn |
| 18:12.40 | Primer | a month |
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| 18:12.55 | gix | Primer: yes. if "Apply Aura: Mounted (27152)" is what you seek |
| 18:13.16 | ultijlam | gix: thanks |
| 18:13.23 | Primer | gix: yes, thanks, on both counts |
| 18:13.42 | NeoTron | Primer: $ issue |
| 18:14.01 | ultijlam | hrmm... going by the return values of GetInstanceDifficulty(), I wonder what "epic" difficulty is? |
| 18:14.45 | Primer | heh |
| 18:17.33 | NeoTron | ultijlam: hogger |
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| 18:20.50 | Repo | 10gsshield: 03Julith * r15 LibShieldLeft.lua: GridStatusShield: |
| 18:20.52 | Repo | - disabled debug messages |
| 18:22.54 | NeoTron | so this healer's computer died December 13th. Since then we've gone from 10 man to 25 man guild and have cleared all content including Sartharion with 3 drakes. Lots of change in a month |
| 18:23.24 | Primer | now he'll get all the gear from one run |
| 18:23.28 | Primer | I think he planned this... |
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| 18:25.16 | Xinhuan | dkp....? |
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| 18:26.41 | RaydenUni | test |
| 18:27.58 | NeoTron | we're not exactly fully geared up from 25-mans |
| 18:28.07 | NeoTron | and yeah dkp. we didn't even use dkp when he disappeared :P |
| 18:28.13 | ultijlam | Anyone able to test LHC-3.0 r33 ATM? |
| 18:28.16 | RaydenUni | my guild will never use DKP |
| 18:28.48 | RaydenUni | it will always be: first roll if you need for main spec, second roll for off-spec, or if you have already won a purple that run |
| 18:28.56 | RaydenUni | *won a purple, first roll that run |
| 18:29.14 | gix | ugh |
| 18:29.43 | durcyn | randomization's almost as bad as self-determination, proper loot council > * |
| 18:29.49 | RaydenUni | indeed |
| 18:29.59 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: considering my rolls last night on the drake + stuff I'd rather not use random |
| 18:30.13 | NeoTron | durcyn: proper loot council is probably the best but _I_ don't want to manage it |
| 18:30.35 | NeoTron | I think you need a special kind of dedication to make that truly work, amongst both the players and the leadership |
| 18:30.40 | ultijlam | trust in the goodness of someone's heart over the RNG? |
| 18:30.48 | RaydenUni | you get stuff like http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44308 being won by feral druids instead of the hunter |
| 18:30.58 | Primer | Xinhuan: surely they won't deny him the loot if it's "give him the loot, or it gets DE'd" |
| 18:31.20 | Xinhuan | then dont' complain ;p |
| 18:31.35 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: I am wondering - why is it bad that that gets won by a feral druid? |
| 18:32.09 | gix | because hunters are the shiet |
| 18:32.26 | durcyn | why are we linking auction house trash as an example anyway |
| 18:32.39 | Bruners | hotmail is getting pop3, or some already got it |
| 18:32.47 | gix | about time |
| 18:32.56 | RaydenUni | NeoTron, it's not a bad druid ring, but the haste is almost worthless |
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| 18:33.19 | gix | durcyn: i like ah trash like http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40246 |
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| 18:34.23 | RaydenUni | NeoTron, it's just that my guild has no concept of what gear is good for what classes. if you want it then you can roll on it |
| 18:34.42 | Toadkiller | ckknight: Doh I missed one: http://www.wowace.com/projects/grid-status-res/, this one is definitely abandoned as the person it is assigned to just happenned to commit to it sometime b4 the wowace transition. |
| 18:34.42 | RaydenUni | i have two blue rings that are better than that epic ring |
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| 18:34.49 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: which is the exact opposite of what is needed for proper loot council.. sounds like your guild is bad :P |
| 18:35.03 | Toadkiller | ckknight: assign to Azethoth please. |
| 18:35.08 | RaydenUni | taking it just because it's an upgrade now doesn't take into account that you will replace it easily while it may be one of the best rings for someoen else |
| 18:35.19 | Toadkiller | bleh wrong forum |
| 18:35.27 | RaydenUni | NeoTron, my guild considers harmony and not pissing people off to be more important than everything |
| 18:35.36 | RaydenUni | which for this group is necessary, even if it pisses me off sometimes |
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| 18:35.46 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: seems like the harmony makes you pissy :P |
| 18:35.48 | gix | RaydenUni: things like that would really piss me off :p |
| 18:35.51 | RaydenUni | me |
| 18:35.52 | RaydenUni | :P |
| 18:35.55 | gix | big time |
| 18:36.00 | RaydenUni | i think i piss off much of my guild though |
| 18:36.06 | RaydenUni | so it works out i guess |
| 18:36.15 | NeoTron | a piss piss relationship got it |
| 18:36.33 | RaydenUni | they are more fun to play with than some of the other guilds i've been with |
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| 18:37.40 | NeoTron | I think it's a different world |
| 18:37.49 | NeoTron | I mean I'm very performance and goal oriented. |
| 18:37.55 | RaydenUni | i am as well |
| 18:38.06 | RaydenUni | i will happily pass on an upgrade if i know it's a significant item for someone else |
| 18:38.11 | RaydenUni | it would annoy me to "steal" their item |
| 18:38.22 | RaydenUni | and it annoys the hell out of me when someone does that to me |
| 18:38.41 | RaydenUni | i'll sacrifice whatever so that we'll succeed as a team |
| 18:39.13 | RaydenUni | i put time and energy into being as good a player as i can, is it too much to ask that of others? |
| 18:39.14 | RaydenUni | yes |
| 18:39.17 | RaydenUni | but still bugs me :P |
| 18:39.48 | NeoTron | it seems like the guild doesn't really encourage "best for the guild" mentality |
| 18:39.57 | RaydenUni | not really |
| 18:40.04 | RaydenUni | having fun as a group is more important |
| 18:40.09 | NeoTron | I rolled 12 on the twilight drake, 13 on the bag of badges :P |
| 18:40.20 | NeoTron | so I don't like rolls ! |
| 18:40.27 | RaydenUni | i don't think someone would get told not to come on a 10 man run because they weren't geared |
| 18:40.29 | RaydenUni | we'd take them anyways |
| 18:40.33 | NeoTron | and I agree having fun is important but I think the definition of fun is different |
| 18:40.50 | NeoTron | for 10 mans we just kind of do whatever now |
| 18:41.14 | RaydenUni | true |
| 18:41.26 | RaydenUni | my guild had at least 10 people that were geared well enough to clear ZA |
| 18:41.28 | RaydenUni | but we never did |
| 18:41.38 | RaydenUni | cause no one wanted to set up a serious, semi-exclusive run |
| 18:41.45 | RaydenUni | we always ended up taking new lvl 70's |
| 18:41.51 | NeoTron | so what's the point of wiping rather than clearing then? |
| 18:42.00 | RaydenUni | not wiping |
| 18:42.04 | Toadkiller | Our guild has a simple system: you send a tell saying need or greed. Needs are rotated based on who last got something. Greeds are just /roll. It is simple and nobody whines. Oh, and tanks get priority on tank gear they need. |
| 18:42.06 | RaydenUni | we'd just kill 2-3 bosses and then couldn't continue |
| 18:42.06 | NeoTron | if you're happy with it, great but it'd drive me nuts :P |
| 18:42.19 | RaydenUni | it does |
| 18:42.23 | RaydenUni | the group is worth it though |
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| 18:42.48 | gix | Toadkiller: that's nice. because every item is worth the same. |
| 18:43.30 | RaydenUni | that system breaks down when two uber rogue items drop, and the feral druid wants it to replace his blue |
| 18:43.42 | RaydenUni | yes, it's an upgrade for him, but if it's the best rogue weapon in the game then it's a waste |
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| 18:44.06 | NeoTron | if a druid rolls for a rogue WEAPON somethnig is wrong :P |
| 18:44.10 | RaydenUni | meh |
| 18:44.11 | RaydenUni | not weapon |
| 18:44.14 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 18:44.14 | RaydenUni | armor of some tyep |
| 18:44.16 | RaydenUni | you get my meaning |
| 18:44.18 | Toadkiller | nothing stops people from passing in favour of someone with blues if it makes sense |
| 18:44.19 | NeoTron | I WANTS THAT ARMORS!!! |
| 18:44.29 | RaydenUni | it's like when paladins were rolling on caster maces |
| 18:44.33 | RaydenUni | pissed off casters |
| 18:44.48 | RaydenUni | that may or may not be fair, but it's the reasoning behind it |
| 18:44.57 | NeoTron | except everyone but ret pallies did need caster maces in bc so.. huh? |
| 18:45.12 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.33 | Toadkiller | Druids need staff tho, so theres never that kind of conflict. As for armor, cat and rogue stat requirements are quite similar so I dont see the issue |
| 18:45.54 | RaydenUni | in BC rogues were more AP and druids were more agility |
| 18:46.09 | Toadkiller | The point is not whining about 1 drop, its having a fast system so you can clear everything then come back for more drops next week |
| 18:46.41 | Toadkiller | Well in that case there should be no conflict since they are looking for different stats... |
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| 18:48.08 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33831 <-- something like this: according to emmerald it's the 4th best cat trinket. according to shadowpanther it's the 27th best rogue trinket with 1 green and 6 blues better than it |
| 18:48.24 | RaydenUni | I think any rogue should pass on that to a feral druid. |
| 18:49.03 | RaydenUni | that's all i mean |
| 18:49.22 | RaydenUni | but, a rogue who doesn't know what's good for him will want to roll on it and that's where the systems we are talking about break down |
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| 18:52.53 | Toadkiller | Well, if people are not informed then you need to rely on others to prevent some kind of great injustice. However our basic policy is if its for your main spec you can roll need on it. If you are an ignorant douch someone can point this out to you, if not and you have priority then you get it. End of story, no drama. You roll on it again next time if you didnt get it this time, or you communicate with the ignorant douc |
| 18:53.52 | pentium166 | cuts off at "communicate with the ignorant douc" |
| 18:54.02 | Toadkiller | h up front |
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| 18:57.44 | RaydenUni | it's kind of sad some of the best items for my feral druid (and perhaps for other classes) is from BC |
| 18:58.33 | Toadkiller | wth? |
| 18:58.37 | Primer | durcyn: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=48023, the 100/280 mount...except it provides the same aura as 100/60 |
| 18:59.08 | durcyn | Primer: what's the problem anyway? the mount spell is the same regardless of what speed you end up with |
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| 18:59.56 | RaydenUni | excluding jewelcrafting trinkets, the druid trinket from Hydross and the tanking trinket from heroic MGT are the 2nd and 3rd best bear trinkets in the game |
| 19:00.10 | Bruners | durcyn: depends what he tracks for, if its the aura it will change ? |
| 19:00.23 | RaydenUni | i should go back and run heroic mgt to get it |
| 19:00.26 | RaydenUni | should be easy |
| 19:00.41 | RaydenUni | do the lvl 70 heroic dungeons scale to level 80? |
| 19:00.50 | durcyn | Bruners: well yes, but you don't really need to know what mount you're on for /dismount [mounted] to work |
| 19:00.52 | haste | only if it has ?? bosses |
| 19:00.54 | chiper | "MY RAID WENT TO NOXROMULUS AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY HUNTER WEAPON" I <3 Ghostcrawler |
| 19:01.02 | durcyn | Bruners: unless he's trying to do a cancelaura instead |
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| 19:03.24 | Primer | durcyn: just covering all the bases |
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| 19:03.48 | Primer | the aura for the 2 ground mounts is different, according to wowhead anyhow |
| 19:04.00 | NivFreak | chiper: lol, what thread was that? |
| 19:04.18 | chiper | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287218885&sid=1 |
| 19:04.58 | NivFreak | nice |
| 19:05.34 | chiper | hey niv, I wanted to ask you. what cruise line did you guys get married on? |
| 19:05.42 | chiper | we're doing a cruise for our honeymoon |
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| 19:06.20 | NivFreak | princess |
| 19:06.25 | NivFreak | don't do it :) |
| 19:06.27 | chiper | I wont fault you if you don't remember :) I already forgot which one we've booked |
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| 19:06.40 | chiper | hah, yeah, I know you guys didnt have the best of itmes |
| 19:06.41 | NivFreak | the cruise was great, the wedding events were horrid |
| 19:06.55 | chiper | *nod* |
| 19:06.58 | NivFreak | I'd highly recommend them if you AREN'T getting married on the boat |
| 19:06.59 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 19:07.09 | chiper | we're doing the wedding here in SD. cruise will be a week later |
| 19:07.15 | NivFreak | of course we did have to cancel our credit cards when we got back too ;) |
| 19:07.20 | NivFreak | congrats btw |
| 19:07.22 | chiper | ouch |
| 19:07.22 | NivFreak | I didn't know |
| 19:07.33 | chiper | oh, yeah, been engaged since last april |
| 19:07.35 | *** part/#wowace ultijlam (n=jlam@66.155.233.106) |
| 19:07.55 | NivFreak | We just got our first human looking ultrasounds back of #2 |
| 19:08.02 | chiper | nice |
| 19:08.19 | NivFreak | not sure if you have the wife on facebook, but I suspect they are up there |
| 19:08.27 | chiper | naw, I dont |
| 19:08.51 | EvilJohn- | I did an alaskan cruise for my honeymoon |
| 19:08.54 | EvilJohn- | was great |
| 19:08.55 | Bruners | why arent all authors on irc.. |
| 19:09.22 | chiper | this will be a 7 day trip around the Caribbean. we're really looking forward to it |
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| 19:12.26 | Xinhuan | has someone ever suggested to blizzard before |
| 19:12.30 | Xinhuan | to make Soul Shards a currency? |
| 19:12.33 | Xinhuan | so they take no bag room |
| 19:12.36 | chiper | yes |
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| 19:12.43 | Xinhuan | any response? |
| 19:12.51 | chiper | the same has also been suggested for hunter ammo |
| 19:12.55 | durcyn | hiding them in another bag doesn't solve the underlying problem of an awkward, gimmicky spell resource |
| 19:12.55 | Thrae | http://consumerist.com/5126565/end+user-license-agreement-requires-you-to- "<<<<<â <<Ã y" Before Letting You Play World Of Warcraft (Ubuntu/WINE) |
| 19:12.58 | pastamancer | it's a fun and interesting game mechanic! |
| 19:12.59 | chiper | nothing definative, no |
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| 19:14.04 | durcyn | after years of dealing with shards though, i can't say i really hate them, and the ritual of summoning change fixes the last big complaint |
| 19:14.57 | durcyn | all it really needs is a passive bonus on the bags themselves to compensate for the wasted bag slot, but that'd be too easy apparently |
| 19:15.30 | Repo | 10grid-status-res: 03Azethoth * r42 GridStatusRes.toc: v3.00.03.01 release |
| 19:15.42 | chiper | hunter quivers DO have a passive bonus, and it's still a wasted bag slot |
| 19:16.14 | durcyn | they all have the same dumb passive bonus though, put in a legendary quiver with something novel |
| 19:16.33 | chiper | true, we havent seen anything new past the 15% speed bonus |
| 19:16.35 | Repo | 10grid-status-res: 03Azethoth * r43 : -- remove logtemplate |
| 19:16.49 | Repo | 10grid-status-res: 03Azethoth 04v3.00.03.01 release wotlk * r44 : Tagging as v3.00.03.01 release wotlk |
| 19:16.50 | chiper | did they even add new quivers/ammo pouches in wrath? |
| 19:17.00 | Xinhuan | without solve anything if a legendary quiver is only available to 0.00001% of the world population |
| 19:17.13 | chiper | also true |
| 19:17.38 | NeoTron | durcyn: one of the main things I like with my DK is that I got all bags |
| 19:17.48 | NivFreak | chiper: eastern or western? |
| 19:17.54 | NeoTron | durcyn: I don't hate the shards (they aren't overhead to me in any way) but I hate the lost bag slot |
| 19:18.03 | chiper | NivFreak: eastern |
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| 19:18.22 | Xinhuan | wait aren't you a warrior NeoTron :o |
| 19:18.25 | NeoTron | but I do think shards as a whole is pretty pointless |
| 19:18.38 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: no, my highest warrior was a level 21ish in original beta |
| 19:18.48 | Zhinjio | ckknight: ping |
| 19:18.52 | NeoTron | that I played during the "tri horde" push |
| 19:18.58 | NivFreak | chiper: that's the one we did |
| 19:19.18 | NivFreak | chiper: when you get to st maarten I recommand heading over to st john |
| 19:19.29 | chiper | oh? |
| 19:19.36 | NivFreak | chiper: yes, and go to trunk bay |
| 19:19.41 | NivFreak | my favorite place on the planet |
| 19:19.48 | Primer | hehe, I got a request to add support to show my hud when swimming |
| 19:19.52 | chiper | makes a note |
| 19:20.13 | chiper | primer; can you even detect that? |
| 19:20.13 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: my mains in WoW has been: Priest @ Vanilla, Warlock @ BC, DK @ LK |
| 19:20.19 | NivFreak | chiper: this isn't my photo, but oddly is the exact same POV |
| 19:20.19 | Primer | chiper: I hope so |
| 19:20.21 | NivFreak | http://www.ohranger.com/files/imagecache/parkphoto_lightbox/files/parkphotos/VIIS_TrunkBayStJohns.jpg |
| 19:20.33 | chiper | NivFreak: ooooo |
| 19:20.43 | NivFreak | it's amazing |
| 19:20.48 | NivFreak | we actually got left behind there |
| 19:20.56 | chiper | O.O |
| 19:20.57 | NivFreak | we spent about 4 hours snorkling |
| 19:21.01 | NivFreak | and missed the call to head back |
| 19:21.15 | NivFreak | then got to take cabs from the locals with thier grills and gold chains |
| 19:21.17 | NivFreak | it was amusing |
| 19:21.27 | chiper | heh, just last night we both agreed that we would not go snorkling |
| 19:21.40 | NivFreak | really? |
| 19:22.00 | chiper | fat people don't do underwater well |
| 19:22.07 | NivFreak | lol |
| 19:22.15 | NivFreak | just go have fun |
| 19:22.27 | NivFreak | the water is wonderful |
| 19:22.30 | chiper | *nod* |
| 19:22.36 | NivFreak | you'd do yourselves a disservice by not spending some time in it |
| 19:22.40 | NivFreak | even if you don't snorkle |
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| 19:23.59 | NeoTron | so anyone in a guild that find the "frogger boss" and "pipe boss" challenging? |
| 19:24.29 | chiper | pipe boss, no, but we always seem to lose a few people on frogger |
| 19:24.53 | chiper | surprisingly, the aussies always seem to make it |
| 19:25.41 | chiper | hmm, facebook needs a way to add a nickname to your profile |
| 19:25.55 | Axodious | all our stealth classes cause the frogs to pause on frogger, which ends up in ppl dying |
| 19:26.04 | Bruners | chiper: fat people are great under water? |
| 19:26.13 | NivFreak | NeoTron: there's a guild on our server that is rumored to put up a repair bot on the other side of frogger |
| 19:26.15 | chiper | bruner: no we arent, we float |
| 19:26.32 | Pneumatus | NeoTron: frogger slimes are the hardest part of naxx, fact. |
| 19:26.40 | Bruners | best exercise method for obese people |
| 19:26.44 | NeoTron | I just don't understand how it could be |
| 19:27.00 | Fisker- | fuck yeah |
| 19:27.10 | NeoTron | I guess people try run in front of them rather than behind them |
| 19:27.28 | Fisker- | http://i39.tinypic.com/5frk9v.jpg <- |
| 19:27.31 | NivFreak | NeoTron: I'm also known for killing people who die a second time |
| 19:27.32 | Fisker- | It's OVER NINE THOUSAND |
| 19:27.34 | chiper | between pally bubbles, clockwork rocket racers, and sacrificial pets, we can usually clear a path |
| 19:27.48 | NivFreak | NeoTron: defensie stance == warriors don't die |
| 19:27.53 | NivFreak | but people in proximity do! |
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| 19:28.03 | NivFreak | also, eyes of the beast can be evil ;) |
| 19:28.22 | chiper | our main tank was totally stoked when he took one to the face and actually survived |
| 19:28.25 | Wraithan | Is the following a valid way to assign values to localizations: |
| 19:28.27 | Wraithan | L["Stormstrike"], _, L["Stormstrike Icon"] = GetSpellInfo(32176) |
| 19:28.36 | Primer | apparently there's a IsSwimming() |
| 19:28.40 | NivFreak | I've never taken one unintentionally |
| 19:28.43 | NivFreak | not even in old naxx |
| 19:28.50 | chiper | Primer: oh really? cool |
| 19:29.44 | NeoTron | I like to pop AMS and run through :P |
| 19:29.48 | NeoTron | but we rarely have issues |
| 19:29.50 | Primer | chiper: except the code now relies on events to show the HUD. I'll have to create a dummy frame and check for swimming using IsSwimming() |
| 19:30.06 | Primer | with an update loop |
| 19:30.21 | Primer | since it seems there's no event triggered |
| 19:30.32 | NivFreak | NeoTron: we basically have 1-2 random people fail every week |
| 19:30.41 | NivFreak | usually the 2nd person is the one who mocks the first |
| 19:30.47 | NivFreak | karma I suppose |
| 19:31.15 | NeoTron | I can understand a few deaths |
| 19:31.23 | NeoTron | occasionately lag happens for example |
| 19:31.43 | NeoTron | but there seem to be guilds that actually have signiicant issues getting past |
| 19:31.48 | NivFreak | I laugh when people fail |
| 19:31.58 | NivFreak | but I have this fucking resto druid that fails the thaddius jump every time |
| 19:32.58 | chiper | primer: can't you test it on a pitch change? |
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| 19:33.32 | chiper | just entering the water will alter the character's pitch |
| 19:33.43 | Primer | not sure what you mean |
| 19:33.50 | Primer | I'm changing my pitch all the time |
| 19:34.02 | Primer | as I'm not a keyboard mover |
| 19:34.10 | Wraithan | Is the following a valid way to assign values to localizations using AceLocale: |
| 19:34.14 | Wraithan | L["Stormstrike"], _, L["Stormstrike Icon"] = GetSpellInfo(32176) |
| 19:34.28 | RaydenUni | it's nice to see blizzard finally adressing the poor hunter weapon itemization |
| 19:34.31 | chiper | you're saying that now it's event driven, I took that to mean that you're getting update calls every time the player's pitch/directon changes |
| 19:34.35 | NivFreak | Primer: click to move? ;P |
| 19:34.41 | chiper | so test in that event |
| 19:34.54 | Primer | NivFreak: no |
| 19:34.56 | chiper | no need for a looping update |
| 19:35.12 | Primer | NivFreak: but I don't pivot my toon with the keyboard |
| 19:35.40 | Primer | chiper: no, I'm checking for active mounts on COMPANION_UPDATE and UNIT_AURA |
| 19:35.51 | Primer | UNIT_AURA for druid forms |
| 19:35.52 | chiper | oh, I see |
| 19:36.03 | Primer | and now, the headless horseman mount |
| 19:36.21 | Primer | since I'm now not sure if that's fired on COMPANION_UPDATE |
| 19:37.30 | Fisker- | hey Kaelten|away |
| 19:37.35 | Fisker- | ffffffffffuuuuuu |
| 19:37.38 | Fisker- | YAY |
| 19:37.40 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 19:37.56 | Fisker- | Giev link to curse client :3 |
| 19:38.26 | Kaelten | static.curseforge.com/client/CurseSetup-2.1.0.0.Alpha6.exe |
| 19:38.34 | Fisker- | aww |
| 19:38.37 | Fisker- | no can has RC :( |
| 19:38.49 | RaydenUni | "it is a giant problem for the class as a whole that one of the best trinkets at 80 is still a BoE blue zone drop from level 70." :D |
| 19:39.01 | Fisker- | Weâre sorry, youâve attempted to access a page that doesnât exist. |
| 19:39.01 | Fisker- | btw |
| 19:39.22 | ckknight | Zhinjio: pong |
| 19:39.27 | NivFreak | RaydenUni: which class? |
| 19:39.28 | robotusch | Fisker din hacker |
| 19:39.30 | NivFreak | Kaelten: mac? |
| 19:39.50 | RaydenUni | NivFreak, druid |
| 19:39.57 | Fisker- | næ RockSlice |
| 19:39.57 | Fisker- | pis |
| 19:39.58 | RaydenUni | feral specifically |
| 19:40.07 | NivFreak | RaydenUni: the badge? |
| 19:40.10 | RaydenUni | referring to Badge of Tenacity |
| 19:40.20 | NivFreak | well they are nerfing that in 3.0.8 right? |
| 19:40.22 | robotusch | l2tabcomplete |
| 19:40.26 | RaydenUni | yes |
| 19:40.32 | RaydenUni | fixing a few druid things |
| 19:40.35 | RaydenUni | fixing/improving |
| 19:41.18 | RaydenUni | the patch cannot come soon enough |
| 19:42.14 | Primer | seems both ItemRack and Wardrobe have some swimming detection code |
| 19:42.18 | NivFreak | no titanguard weapon enchant =( |
| 19:42.32 | RaydenUni | huh? |
| 19:42.38 | RaydenUni | oh, the +75 sta isn't coming? |
| 19:42.39 | Primer | both use this MIRROR_TIMER_START event |
| 19:42.42 | RaydenUni | bummer |
| 19:42.46 | NivFreak | RaydenUni: was nerfed to 50, then removed |
| 19:42.50 | RaydenUni | i ahve greater savagery on my HVH staff |
| 19:43.50 | Primer | I wish there was a better explanation for that event |
| 19:43.53 | chiper | haha I love the humor that's coming out of the Doodad_Nox_door fix. http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/14135708226-gc-dont-remove--doodadnaxdoorspider02.html |
| 19:44.08 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-1: 03Whitetooth * r14 LibStatLogic-1.1/LibStatLogic-1.1.lua: |
| 19:44.11 | Repo | - Support for direct Defense gains which isn't affected by DR (Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle) |
| 19:45.02 | Primer | chiper: what IS that, btw? |
| 19:45.11 | Primer | I've yet to see a post that explains this |
| 19:45.22 | chiper | primer: I take it you've never run naxx? |
| 19:45.29 | smcn | there's a door on the path between faerlina and maexxna |
| 19:45.30 | Primer | I've run it plenty of times |
| 19:45.42 | smcn | hover over it and the tooltip reads doodad_nox_door_spider02 |
| 19:45.48 | chiper | then you're just very unobservent apparently |
| 19:46.06 | steev | http://vimeo.com/2809991?pg=embed&sec=2809991 |
| 19:46.09 | steev | star wars retold |
| 19:46.26 | chiper | steev: is it that three year old again? |
| 19:46.52 | Primer | that's like saying I didn't notice that I stepped on a cockroach while walking |
| 19:47.00 | Primer | I mean, seriously |
| 19:47.09 | chiper | it shows up every time you click on the door |
| 19:47.24 | chiper | you cant click on the door without seeing it |
| 19:47.32 | Primer | I've never click on that door |
| 19:47.43 | RaydenUni | have any of you played with Cat Swipe? |
| 19:47.45 | Primer | I only do 25 man |
| 19:47.51 | NivFreak | I'm not sure how you could miss the door either :) |
| 19:48.08 | NivFreak | it's the one that opens the last part to maxxena |
| 19:48.10 | Primer | anyhow, why is this blue poster talking about "balancing the game in PVE and PVP" WRT a tooltip? |
| 19:48.21 | chiper | steev: ok, that was pretty funny |
| 19:48.25 | NivFreak | Primer: trolling |
| 19:48.39 | RaydenUni | what is the doodad spider? |
| 19:48.40 | RaydenUni | what's the deal |
| 19:48.47 | Primer | RaydenUni: it's something totally stupid |
| 19:48.51 | RaydenUni | oh, changing the name to a real spider? |
| 19:48.52 | NivFreak | it's a door in arachnid wing |
| 19:48.53 | Primer | unworthy of attention |
| 19:48.55 | RaydenUni | instead of a debug thing |
| 19:48.58 | NivFreak | that's had a dev tooltip since 60 |
| 19:49.01 | RaydenUni | oh a door |
| 19:49.03 | RaydenUni | nice |
| 19:49.20 | RaydenUni | there was a chair in SM like that |
| 19:49.30 | NivFreak | yea, it's just funny to see the flip on naxx |
| 19:49.42 | NivFreak | not enough people saw it at 60 to care or even probably mention it |
| 19:49.48 | NivFreak | now it's like pop-culture |
| 19:49.49 | smcn | pretty much every piece of furniture in netherstorm had similar doodad names |
| 19:49.53 | Primer | Ok, did anyone else notice there's a typo when you talk to the WG battle mage? |
| 19:49.56 | RaydenUni | the flip? |
| 19:50.04 | Primer | "The battle currently enues..."? |
| 19:50.13 | Primer | instead of ensues? |
| 19:50.19 | Primer | IT'S THAT HILLARIOUS?!?! |
| 19:50.27 | Primer | ISN'T, even |
| 19:50.35 | smcn | yes, hilarious |
| 19:50.39 | durcyn | i'm gonna go out on a limb and say "no". |
| 19:51.01 | Primer | I'M GOING TO POST IT TO FORUMS AND TRY TO GET BLUE POSTS OUT OF IT |
| 19:51.31 | Primer | bah, I should be working... |
| 19:52.02 | chiper | just because your sense of humor sucks, doesn't mean you have to tromp on everyone elses |
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| 19:53.15 | Primer | IT DOES TOO! |
| 19:54.36 | Zhinjio | ckknight: for some reason, one of the strings in my project got commented out in enUS |
| 19:54.40 | Zhinjio | any iodea why? |
| 19:54.55 | ckknight | did you ever answer my question about the space between -- and @? |
| 19:55.03 | Zhinjio | there is one |
| 19:55.13 | ckknight | remove i |
| 19:55.15 | ckknight | it* |
| 19:55.21 | ckknight | crisis averted |
| 19:55.21 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 19:56.40 | Repo | 10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio * r52 Locales (6 files in 1 directory): - fix localization stupidity |
| 19:57.37 | Repo | 10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio 041.11.1-release * r53 : Tagging as 1.11.1-release |
| 19:58.25 | Zhinjio | thank you. Shall I file a ticket on that for you? |
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| 20:00.25 | ckknight | no |
| 20:00.30 | Ackis | ~wowspell 28871 |
| 20:00.30 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28871 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=28871 |
| 20:00.31 | ckknight | it's working as intended |
| 20:01.26 | Zhinjio | well, I'm not going to argue with you about it, but thats some sloppy shit right there. Either fix the intentions or fix the documentation. No offense. |
| 20:01.31 | steev | amg my efika is working again, woo |
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| 20:02.41 | Repo | 10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio * r57 Locales (4 files in 1 directory): - fix localization stupidity |
| 20:03.34 | Repo | 10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio 042.7.1-release * r58 : Tagging as 2.7.1-release |
| 20:05.21 | Pneumatus | ping Tekkub |
| 20:05.31 | Tekkub | wut |
| 20:05.55 | Pneumatus | aer you aware of http://ace.pastey.net/106463 |
| 20:05.56 | Fisker- | watch out Pneumatus |
| 20:05.58 | Fisker- | he's awesome |
| 20:06.19 | Pneumatus | possibly caused by holding a modifier key mousing over a tekksLoot frame |
| 20:06.34 | Tekkub | hum |
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| 20:23.58 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03vangual 06vangual 07master * 80dc926 / (7 files in 3 directories): [+11 commits] (7 truncated) |
| 20:24.01 | Repo | 80dc926: Internal spacing is honored as Indicator now too |
| 20:24.03 | Repo | fcd5bc0: Ensure correct spiral update |
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| 20:24.09 | Repo | 0a77eb0: Totems: remove offsets, we're an Indicator now. |
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| 20:26.34 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide 041.5.0 * r150 : Tagging as 1.5.0 |
| 20:28.53 | RaydenUni | you guys heard about the wow insurance stuff? |
| 20:31.32 | ckknight | no |
| 20:31.35 | ckknight | what about it? |
| 20:31.42 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/01/16/wow-insider-interview-you-play-or-we-pay-founders/#continued |
| 20:31.50 | RaydenUni | someone is offering insurance for when your server is down |
| 20:31.57 | RaydenUni | you pay monthly, and if your server goes down they pay you |
| 20:32.12 | ckknight | hehe |
| 20:32.14 | NeoTron | sounds retarded beyond imagination |
| 20:32.26 | RaydenUni | max payoff of 1.75 |
| 20:32.44 | RaydenUni | so say you pay $10 a month and your server is down a lot, you get back $17.50 |
| 20:32.47 | RaydenUni | so $7.50 profit |
| 20:33.03 | RaydenUni | the thing is, there's no correlation between the payoff and not being able to play |
| 20:33.08 | RaydenUni | it's just gambling |
| 20:33.17 | RaydenUni | you don't *need* a character to do this |
| 20:33.26 | RaydenUni | although they are associating your character with it |
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| 20:35.48 | NeoTron | seems utterly stupid |
| 20:36.09 | RaydenUni | insurance works because you need a lot of money when something goes bad |
| 20:36.23 | RaydenUni | so you are willing to pay more than what you get back over time, to save yourself |
| 20:36.37 | RaydenUni | why exactly do you need money when your server is down? |
| 20:36.58 | RaydenUni | if you make $ gold farming or something i guess it would work |
| 20:37.52 | NeoTron | although not necessarily a scam it seems very close to |
| 20:38.02 | RaydenUni | it's not a scam, like people are saying |
| 20:38.03 | NeoTron | like a way to make money on people's desire to make money |
| 20:38.05 | RaydenUni | it's just gambling |
| 20:38.11 | RaydenUni | and the house always wins |
| 20:38.22 | RaydenUni | the fact that they are calling it insurance is annoying |
| 20:38.24 | NeoTron | it's just utterly pointless |
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| 20:45.35 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03Ackis * r69 / (3 files in 2 directories): Fix a bug or two, add a few more pets and shit to the db |
| 20:56.05 | Daemona | Funkeh` http://www.wowace.com/projects/bad-boy/tickets/ |
| 20:58.26 | NivFreak | hahahaah |
| 20:58.30 | NivFreak | Q u o t e: |
| 20:58.30 | NivFreak | Hey, hey.. let's not get bitter. Bring the weapon, not the enchant. |
| 20:58.30 | NivFreak | This way we get whatever sort of glow we want, cos it's not like it make much difference =) |
| 20:58.34 | NivFreak | - Lakhesis. |
| 20:59.34 | steev | maakes sense |
| 20:59.39 | Fisker- | cries with ckknight |
| 21:02.23 | Bruners | http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/WoWScrnShot_011609_215716.jpg |
| 21:02.37 | Bruners | then i turn on nameplates |
| 21:02.39 | Bruners | http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/WoWScrnShot_011609_215719.jpg |
| 21:04.27 | Repo | 10grid-mana-bars: 03Julith * r73 GridStatusMana.lua: GridManaBars: |
| 21:04.29 | Repo | - UNIT_DISPLAYPOWERs parameter is the unitid not the name... |
| 21:05.10 | ckknight | joins Fisker- |
| 21:09.32 | Wraithan | recommended in game coding apps? |
| 21:09.35 | Wraithan | er |
| 21:09.36 | Wraithan | addons? |
| 21:09.55 | Wraithan | I am exceding the limits of macros for testing things lol |
| 21:10.12 | durcyn | WoWLua |
| 21:14.03 | steev | shamwow |
| 21:14.41 | steev | also, the greatest thing in the world |
| 21:15.23 | steev | is when you're in OS, and someone marks a healer, and says, X never gets hit by the flame wave, so stay near them and you should be safe... and X getting DC'd in the middle of the fight |
| 21:16.04 | Zyndrome | scratches head |
| 21:16.20 | Zyndrome | hmmm, did Malygos <5 min kill ... 10 people does what 25 don't! |
| 21:16.21 | Zyndrome | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 21:16.22 | steev | i laughed as 1/2 the raid wiped on the first ave |
| 21:17.06 | Repo | 10shadowgreenlight: 03Mokhtar * r12 / (4 files in 1 directory): - Added tooltip (and option to remove it) |
| 21:17.08 | Repo | - Fixed Heart of the Crusader not showing |
| 21:19.45 | Repo | 10shadowgreenlight: 03Mokhtar 04v1.1 * r13 : Tagging as v1.1 |
| 21:21.15 | NeoTron | so what is this I hear about them making it impossible to root the malygos sparks? |
| 21:21.18 | NeoTron | true or false? |
| 21:21.54 | steev | true |
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| 21:24.23 | NeoTron | so has anyone every done a 5 minute kill without using that "feature"? |
| 21:24.40 | NeoTron | seems like it'll become near impossible without a lot better dps (say ulduar or beyond)? |
| 21:24.45 | onaforeignshore | is there any way to track an addon that has a memory leak? |
| 21:25.02 | NeoTron | not to mention the uselessness of melee dps this will give you |
| 21:26.03 | Repo | 10combo-points-redux: 03Starinnia * r34 / (2 files in 2 directories): add deDE locale, thanks KleinerDrache |
| 21:26.14 | Zao | onaforeignshore: There's addons to show memory and resource use by plugin, isn't it? |
| 21:27.14 | Pkekyo| | meh, work is a complete grind these days... kinda feels like I'm inside WoW |
| 21:29.00 | Fisker- | Kaelten is being mean ckknight |
| 21:29.09 | Pkekyo| | spank it! |
| 21:29.11 | ckknight | Fisker-: k. |
| 21:29.21 | ckknight | Fisker-: he rebuts your claim |
| 21:29.25 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 21:29.37 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r112 Locales/Locale-zhCN.lua: update zhCN locale, thanks bigcell |
| 21:29.48 | ckknight | onaforeignshore: yea, WoW has memory tracking |
| 21:29.53 | Fisker- | http://static.curseforge.com/client/CurseSetup-2.1.0.0.Alpha6.exe <-it's 404 |
| 21:30.18 | Repo | 10extractor: 03Zhinjio * r22 / (6 files in 3 directories): - converted docs to pushed files |
| 21:30.20 | Repo | - converted to wowace localization system |
| 21:30.56 | Julith | I whould give my left hand if blizzard could assure combatlog events in chronological order xD |
| 21:30.57 | NivFreak | NeoTron: did you guys give 25man 3drakes a shot yet? |
| 21:32.53 | Wraithan | omg I don't know I was doing all this testing with macros before, wowlua makes everything so much easier |
| 21:33.08 | Repo | 10extractor: 03Zhinjio * r23 Locales/enUS.lua: - added same-key-is-true |
| 21:33.25 | Kaelten | static.curseforge.net |
| 21:34.19 | Fisker- | <3 |
| 21:34.29 | Fisker- | purrs |
| 21:34.40 | Zhinjio | same-key-is-true probably only makes sense to use in enUS |
| 21:35.12 | ckknight | right, Zhinjio |
| 21:35.33 | Xinhuan | nah its alright to use in other languages too |
| 21:35.40 | Repo | 10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio * r54 Locales/enUS.lua: - added same-key-is-true |
| 21:35.44 | Xinhuan | that is, use = true, if a translation isn't defined |
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| 21:36.14 | Zhinjio | well, I use "Comment" for that type, so it just will use the enUS value and comment out the untranslated line |
| 21:36.20 | Zhinjio | for that variablwe |
| 21:36.45 | Zhinjio | handle-unlocalized |
| 21:36.47 | Zhinjio | that is |
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| 21:37.45 | Repo | 10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio * r59 Locales/enUS.lua: - added same-key-is-true |
| 21:38.16 | Fisker- | btw Kaelten |
| 21:38.21 | Kaelten | ? |
| 21:38.25 | Fisker- | how many betas is it going to take you to use the correct url? |
| 21:38.25 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 21:38.44 | onaforeignshore | I'm using PerformanceFu, but it doesn't show many addons |
| 21:38.59 | onaforeignshore | does allow forced garbage collection thoguh |
| 21:39.15 | ckknight | onaforeignshore: right-click, change the number of addons |
| 21:39.53 | rapidgame | haha, im so silly - stupid "invalid layout" |
| 21:40.09 | onaforeignshore | ta |
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| 21:42.25 | rapidgame | whats the average approval time for new files on CF? |
| 21:43.03 | Kaelten | depends at times |
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| 21:43.56 | steev | 200 years |
| 21:44.12 | Fisker- | over nine thousand lol! |
| 21:44.12 | rapidgame | okay - haha, i was wondering why my addon wasnt working with CC, checked up and had "invalid layout" /facepalm |
| 21:44.16 | rapidgame | haha |
| 21:44.35 | rapidgame | 9000 what though? |
| 21:44.47 | Bruners | wtb forced irc policy on curse |
| 21:45.00 | rapidgame | ? |
| 21:45.12 | Xinhuan | internet meme |
| 21:45.17 | ckknight | lol, Bruners |
| 21:45.23 | ckknight | Bruners: why? |
| 21:45.54 | Bruners | ckknight: talking to people through conversation sucks? :P |
| 21:46.02 | rapidgame | don't know why they changed it to 9000 though, maybe funamation just had to be extreme |
| 21:46.03 | ckknight | oh yea, that shit is nasty |
| 21:46.08 | Repo | 10sell-junk: 03CrazyBenny * r51 SellJunk.lua: amagad, no wonder it didnt sell a shit :o |
| 21:46.30 | Bruners | over 9000 is really just 7 |
| 21:46.51 | rapidgame | was 8000 lol |
| 21:47.07 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-1: 03Whitetooth * r15 LibStatLogic-1.1/LibStatLogic-1.1.lua: - Warrior: Fixed Talent: Vitality |
| 21:47.10 | Repo | - Warrior: Fixed Talent: Strength of Arms |
| 21:47.13 | Repo | - Warrior: Fixed Talent: Improved Defensive Stance |
| 21:47.15 | Repo | - Fixed error |
| 21:47.34 | NivFreak | hrmm, I wonder what uses that lib |
| 21:47.39 | rapidgame | hmm, with changelogs on CF, i guess you would just add what you changed in the latest build right? |
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| 21:48.32 | ckknight | rapidgame: yea, basically |
| 21:49.17 | Repo | 10tank-points: 03Whitetooth * r98 / (3 files in 1 directory): - Defense isn't affected by DR (Defense Rating is) |
| 21:49.19 | Xinhuan | its still a internet meme ;p |
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| 21:49.45 | rapidgame | does CF build a change list at all, or is that sort of thing only done it your using Repos? |
| 21:50.11 | ckknight | use your repos |
| 21:50.22 | ckknight | also, uploading zips is for lamers |
| 21:50.25 | ckknight | use revision control |
| 21:50.27 | ckknight | like a man. |
| 21:50.27 | rapidgame | haha thanks |
| 21:50.29 | ckknight | flexes |
| 21:50.34 | rapidgame | lol |
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| 21:51.42 | rapidgame | yeah, i think im going to take the time to learn how to use repos tonight after work - but i should really concentrate on making my addon do something more than it currently does haha. Which of those 3 do you suggest for revision control |
| 21:52.03 | ckknight | SVN = easy, especially for windows, but I and others _will_ make fun of you |
| 21:52.20 | ckknight | Git = hard, especially for windows, I use it for personal projects. It's the most popular of the distributed systems |
| 21:52.49 | ckknight | Hg = hard, but easier for windows than git. We use it here at work. Kaelten uses it for personal projects. Similar to git, but less popular |
| 21:53.01 | onaforeignshore | msysgit isn't that difficult to use, it's just the initial config that's a pain in the @$$ |
| 21:53.08 | rapidgame | lol, well i might try to avoid SVN though, i already give you guys on IRC enough reasons to make fun of me haha. I'd prefer to learn a harder one first, than start with an easier one and have to relearn again later |
| 21:53.10 | chiper | I disagree that SVN is especially easy on windows. Tortise confuses the hell out of me. Cornerstone FTW |
| 21:53.19 | ckknight | lol |
| 21:53.33 | nevcairiel | well Git is still mostly CLI; that is "difficult" for windows users %) |
| 21:53.48 | steev | rapidgame: really you should just use linux and game in wine, then no worries at all about getting any of it setup properly |
| 21:54.03 | Xinhuan | i use git gui on windows, i've almost never needed to use CLI |
| 21:54.04 | chiper | I'm hoping cornerstone adds git support at some point. that'll put it WAY above everything else |
| 21:54.11 | onaforeignshore | msysgit has a GUI |
| 21:54.20 | steev | gui is for sissies |
| 21:54.20 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan, all you do is ci/co :p |
| 21:54.30 | ckknight | http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3650/iwolfgr6.jpg |
| 21:54.34 | ckknight | relevant ^-- |
| 21:54.37 | rapidgame | so between Git and Hg, even though Git is more popular does that make it better? (If you get what i mean, or does it just come down to ease of use) |
| 21:54.38 | onaforeignshore | only thing you really need the CLI for is to remove files from the release |
| 21:54.38 | Xinhuan | hey now, i've done more than that before! |
| 21:54.53 | rapidgame | steev: lol, whats wine compatability like? |
| 21:54.57 | Kaelten | rapidgame: you just asked a question worhty of a holy war |
| 21:55.07 | steev | i've been playing wow in wine for about 4 years now |
| 21:55.12 | Xinhuan | git is "older" than hg, so it is more "known/supported" |
| 21:55.16 | steev | a few rough patches |
| 21:55.18 | chiper | declares jihad |
| 21:55.24 | Xinhuan | however, its also well-known git support on windows is poor(er) |
| 21:55.30 | ckknight | also git has the mindshare of the linux community and the entire rails camp |
| 21:55.38 | steev | i thought hg existed before git |
| 21:55.44 | Kaelten | also popularity seems largely determined by what group your talking about |
| 21:55.48 | ckknight | steev: no, it came a few months after |
| 21:55.48 | rapidgame | Kaelten: haha |
| 21:56.04 | Kaelten | among python projects mercurial is overwhelmingly more popular |
| 21:56.10 | hypetech | anybody know where I can find a list of buffs that still benefit party only? |
| 21:56.14 | hypetech | for group comp stuff |
| 21:56.16 | Kaelten | amoung other groups git |
| 21:56.28 | ckknight | let's use Visual Source Safe! |
| 21:56.28 | steev | Kaelten: yeah... but... i mean... they are python projects... |
| 21:56.33 | onaforeignshore | the only "support" you probably need for msysgit is the initial configuration anyway :p |
| 21:56.36 | steev | kicks ckknight |
| 21:56.40 | ckknight | lulz |
| 21:56.41 | hypetech | lol |
| 21:56.45 | ckknight | yea, we aren't supporting that |
| 21:56.48 | Kaelten | steev: wowace/curseforge are both writtin in python :P |
| 21:56.52 | Xinhuan | generally speaking, you want to use what people are using, so that its easier to get help, if yu are stuck |
| 21:56.55 | steev | Kaelten: nuff said :-P |
| 21:56.58 | ckknight | steev: lol |
| 21:57.13 | ckknight | python's not so bad (though don't tell Kaelten, I prefer ruby) |
| 21:57.26 | Kaelten | I chose hg for curseforge because of it was all around the better choice. Simpler to use than git, less commands to worry about, less quirks, and better windows support |
| 21:57.30 | ckknight | just wait until the next version of curseforge |
| 21:57.32 | ckknight | Erlang, baby! |
| 21:57.34 | ckknight | :P |
| 21:57.39 | steev | erlang is hawt |
| 21:57.57 | steev | compiling on a 400mhz is painful |
| 21:58.23 | rapidgame | lol, think i'll use git then, knowing me i'll have plenty of problems - it's good to have people to help or IRC haha ;-) |
| 21:58.33 | Xinhuan | exactly |
| 21:58.48 | rapidgame | Kaelten: haha i just read that, now im not sure again lol |
| 21:58.51 | steev | Kaelten: if it helps any... a lot of Gentoo's tools are also written in python |
| 21:58.51 | Kaelten | and from what I've seen saying msyswhatever is a good windows support is a joke, but then again it's better thanw hat they had |
| 21:59.05 | Kaelten | steev: I love python, you haters can go away :P |
| 21:59.06 | onaforeignshore | yeah, ckknight still hates me for setting up git :p |
| 21:59.15 | ckknight | rapidgame: no matter what you do, you will suffer. |
| 21:59.17 | Xinhuan | until they come up with something better |
| 21:59.20 | Xinhuan | it'll make do |
| 21:59.31 | ckknight | but suffering is an important part of the human experience |
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| 21:59.46 | steev | Kaelten: hey now, my mentee for GSoC wrote a tool in python, i don't hate it as much as I seem ;) |
| 21:59.52 | ckknight | I tend to stay on the "inflicting" side, though |
| 21:59.52 | Xinhuan | in fact, being forced to use the CLI sometimes isn't necessarily a bad thing |
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| 22:00.05 | steev | POWARSHELL |
| 22:00.15 | ckknight | powershell's actually a cool technology |
| 22:00.17 | Grum | shell on windows is pathetic fail |
| 22:00.23 | ckknight | I preferred Monad, though |
| 22:00.32 | ckknight | they had to change the name to something enterprisy and lame |
| 22:00.39 | onaforeignshore | what was that? Gonad? :p |
| 22:00.46 | steev | powershell is not enterprisy, but definitely lame |
| 22:01.03 | ckknight | onaforeignshore: gonads and strife |
| 22:01.11 | ckknight | Monad is a Haskell term :P |
| 22:01.19 | Grum | ckknight: give me a failname for something which downloads |
| 22:01.22 | Grum | need to have a nonfail name :p |
| 22:01.33 | ckknight | not sure what you mean |
| 22:01.36 | Grum | the only other thing someone managed to give me was 'Magix' .. but meh! |
| 22:01.39 | Xinhuan | Grum: "downloader" |
| 22:01.40 | Grum | i need a project name for something :p |
| 22:01.56 | Xinhuan | do i win? |
| 22:01.57 | steev | POWARDOWNLADER |
| 22:02.17 | steev | i made it better |
| 22:02.22 | steev | er, i mean, I INNOVATE |
| 22:02.31 | rapidgame | hey thanks for your help guys, i got to get ready for work haha - should have fun setting up git later ;-) |
| 22:02.35 | Grum | Slapster! |
| 22:02.37 | Xinhuan | not good enough |
| 22:02.41 | Xinhuan | you should have named it |
| 22:02.43 | ckknight | Grum: what will it do? |
| 22:02.48 | Xinhuan | SUPARPOWARDOWNLOADAR! |
| 22:02.51 | Grum | ckknight: download stuff for me :p |
| 22:02.58 | Grum | SUPARPOWARDOWNLOADERPLUSPLUS |
| 22:03.02 | ckknight | the one I made was called "porndownloader" |
| 22:03.05 | steev | super downloader 2009 enterprise turbo power plus for windows |
| 22:03.10 | ckknight | it scraped sites and downloaded porn. |
| 22:03.12 | Grum | ckknight: i need something which is a bit less typing hehe |
| 22:03.15 | ckknight | pd |
| 22:03.16 | Grum | lol |
| 22:03.21 | Grum | mine will scrape usenet :p |
| 22:03.23 | ckknight | this was in High School |
| 22:03.25 | ckknight | :P |
| 22:03.31 | steev | scrapegoat |
| 22:03.35 | ckknight | yea, the program got distributed around campus pretty fast |
| 22:03.40 | Grum | hehe |
| 22:03.51 | steev | (tm) |
| 22:04.23 | Grum | meh |
| 22:04.26 | steev | and add CUDA support, i hear its all the rage |
| 22:04.26 | Grum | wtb projectname ;( |
| 22:04.49 | steev | call it steev |
| 22:04.52 | onaforeignshore | CUDA? |
| 22:05.02 | steev | onaforeignshore: nvidia GPU stuffs |
| 22:05.14 | onaforeignshore | figures... crap :P |
| 22:05.22 | steev | something unified driver architecture or something |
| 22:05.30 | Xinhuan | hey i can do CUDA programming! |
| 22:05.46 | Grum | 1+1=helloworld? |
| 22:05.55 | Xinhuan | a bit more complicated |
| 22:06.00 | Xinhuan | i used it to solve TSP |
| 22:06.04 | Grum | hha |
| 22:06.09 | Grum | blazingly fast? ;) |
| 22:06.26 | Xinhuan | well not really |
| 22:06.30 | Xinhuan | ants don't scale well on multi-gpus |
| 22:06.36 | Grum | dammit! ckknight; you are the best for finding crap project names |
| 22:06.42 | ckknight | lol |
| 22:06.51 | ckknight | Grum: my projects are named after animals |
| 22:06.54 | Grum | or who made up parrot/chincilla/pitbul? :p |
| 22:06.57 | ckknight | me |
| 22:07.03 | Thrae | WoW and CUDA are not exactly topics that should be discussed together. |
| 22:07.03 | ckknight | I'm gonna make a new one soon |
| 22:07.06 | ckknight | ChickenWire |
| 22:07.07 | ckknight | :P |
| 22:07.10 | Toadkiller | All you need to solve tsp is a buvket of bacteria and some analysis gear |
| 22:07.13 | steev | chickenneck |
| 22:07.14 | Grum | lol |
| 22:07.17 | Grum | what will it do? >< |
| 22:07.21 | Grum | do i even want to know? |
| 22:07.23 | waallen | Any hope for a Parrot2? |
| 22:07.24 | Xinhuan | to be specific, ants need to comminicate with each other all the time |
| 22:07.26 | ckknight | help you align frames |
| 22:07.29 | ckknight | waallen: maybe one day. |
| 22:07.31 | Xinhuan | and multiGPUs aren't designed that way |
| 22:07.38 | Xinhuan | so while there's some speedup, it isn't much |
| 22:07.41 | ckknight | waallen: I'll want to visit my other addons first |
| 22:07.58 | Grum | de-Rock them all? ;D |
| 22:08.09 | waallen | yeah, i guess you are pretty busy with PB4 at the moment |
| 22:08.10 | steev | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.13 | genetik- | parrot 1 still works fine for me |
| 22:08.26 | steev | yes it does |
| 22:08.29 | steev | i <3 parrot |
| 22:08.30 | Grum | someone .. make fubar3! |
| 22:08.42 | nevcairiel | there is fubar3 already |
| 22:08.46 | steev | it will make fubar2 look like fubar1! |
| 22:08.48 | Grum | fubar44! |
| 22:08.48 | nevcairiel | the current version =P |
| 22:08.58 | waallen | and so does it for me but it tends to get a bit too demanding in raid situations, like spreading the diseases on multiple targets in aoe packs |
| 22:09.04 | Grum | meh i'll just call it Pie |
| 22:09.11 | Xinhuan | sorry Cake |
| 22:09.13 | steev | waallen: eh |
| 22:09.19 | onaforeignshore | make fubar Ace3 :p |
| 22:09.20 | Grum | PieOrCake! |
| 22:09.27 | ckknight | I have ideas for the next FuBar |
| 22:09.29 | ckknight | as well as the next Parrot |
| 22:09.31 | steev | i just get stuff like 7849(3 hits, 4 crits) |
| 22:09.32 | ckknight | and the next Chinchilla |
| 22:09.34 | ckknight | and the next CowTip |
| 22:09.37 | ckknight | le sigh |
| 22:09.42 | Groktar | i'm looking for a bar mod that will let me click through the buttons |
| 22:09.43 | steev | mmmm cowtip |
| 22:09.43 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 22:09.44 | ckknight | but I'm working on PitBull 4 right now |
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| 22:09.46 | Groktar | is there such a thing? |
| 22:09.49 | Toadkiller | Less typing, more implementing Ace3ConfigDropdown imo |
| 22:09.50 | NivFreak | ckknight: are they all the same functionality with better performance? |
| 22:09.57 | Fisker- | Yo dawg i heard you liek trolling so we put a bridge on yo bridge so you can troll while you troll |
| 22:10.04 | NivFreak | (hint hint) |
| 22:10.05 | waallen | steev: it just causes stuttering no matter how much you throttle, because it will still parse the combatlog |
| 22:10.32 | ckknight | NivFreak: recently, I've gotten big on super-configurability with sane config interfaces, massive maintainability improvements, and only as a side-effect, better performance |
| 22:10.52 | genetik- | i turned off my damage output in parrot in favor of the blizzard default damage numbers |
| 22:10.55 | steev | waallen: i've got a dual core 1.9ghz and don't notice any issues (but i did on my single core 64 bit) |
| 22:11.50 | waallen | I've got an E6600 at 3GHz but I've always assumed it should've been enough |
| 22:12.00 | waallen | what class do you play? |
| 22:12.15 | Grum | ckknight: do you have a lvl80 char? ;) |
| 22:12.31 | ckknight | Grum: my highest is a lvl 61 |
| 22:12.31 | Xinhuan | he doesn't even have a 60 ;p |
| 22:12.35 | Xinhuan | oh 61! |
| 22:12.35 | ckknight | I don't really play WoW |
| 22:12.39 | ckknight | though I did start again |
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| 22:12.43 | ckknight | I have a level 22 druid! |
| 22:12.47 | ckknight | I'm a kitty cat, miao |
| 22:12.48 | Grum | then how can you make addons? :D |
| 22:13.03 | Xinhuan | gnome technology |
| 22:13.03 | ckknight | Grum: I find beauty in creation |
| 22:13.07 | Toadkiller | Well, first you type code into files... |
| 22:13.09 | ckknight | Grum: and I obsess easily |
| 22:13.13 | Grum | ckknight: ;) |
| 22:13.30 | ckknight | so that's why I have so many addons and libraries |
| 22:13.35 | ckknight | I don't play |
| 22:13.37 | ckknight | I just code |
| 22:13.39 | Grum | and a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig epeen |
| 22:13.44 | ckknight | because coding is its own reward |
| 22:13.48 | ckknight | well, manifest destiny, really |
| 22:13.52 | Grum | :) |
| 22:14.03 | *** join/#wowace Kalroth (n=kalroth@2506ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 22:14.10 | ckknight | my addons will stretch to the pacific one day |
| 22:14.40 | NivFreak | well make sure you have them all enabled and raid 25mans |
| 22:14.41 | Grum | and disrupt the wildlife? |
| 22:14.41 | Nickenyfiken | ckknight: Write a OS or something instead :-P |
| 22:14.51 | Grum | in lua .. in wow |
| 22:15.15 | genetik- | wow emulator in lua |
| 22:15.17 | genetik- | play wow in wow |
| 22:15.39 | Grum | yeah! then we can make bots in lua playing wow in wowlua |
| 22:15.39 | onaforeignshore | MonadWoW :p |
| 22:15.50 | genetik- | translate combat logs into a text-based adventure game with sprites |
| 22:15.51 | Xinhuan | i considered writing a 3d display api in wow lua ;p |
| 22:15.56 | Xinhuan | so that addons can draw 3d stuff |
| 22:16.01 | Xinhuan | then thought better about it hehe |
| 22:16.13 | Grum | you could do it if you would know the height |
| 22:16.18 | Grum | of your char :p |
| 22:16.24 | Nickenyfiken | Didn't someone do that already, Xinhuan? |
| 22:16.26 | Grum | wtb x/y/z return api |
| 22:16.49 | Xinhuan | nope, it wouldn't be terribly efficient though |
| 22:16.53 | Groktar | how can i have the same raidid for obsidian sanctum as naxx? |
| 22:16.58 | Industrial | whee dual berserking |
| 22:17.02 | thul | LFG heoric naxx |
| 22:17.17 | Nickenyfiken | this is not #trade |
| 22:17.28 | thul | I know, this is /5 LFG |
| 22:17.37 | Grum | Xinhuan: if you'd know the height of your char in wow you could draw things 'in' the world |
| 22:17.39 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: hehe. nah |
| 22:17.42 | Industrial | lolol 5743 ap slef buffed |
| 22:17.43 | steev | 15:56 < NeXTer> There we go, finished FC2 |
| 22:17.43 | steev | 16:16 < steev> fedora core ftw |
| 22:17.43 | steev | 16:17 < NeXTer> Fedora? That thig is still alive? :P |
| 22:17.43 | steev | 16:17 < steev> kinda sad that i thought fedora before far cry eh? |
| 22:17.44 | Grum | which would be quite cool :D |
| 22:17.50 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: I did help write a language before, though. Ever hear of Boo? |
| 22:17.51 | Industrial | as enhancement shaman |
| 22:17.56 | Nickenyfiken | Oh players actually use LFG to look for groups? |
| 22:17.58 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: I did that right before I got into addons |
| 22:18.03 | thul | Industrial: class? :-P |
| 22:18.03 | thul | ah |
| 22:18.08 | steev | Nickenyfiken: they do on our server |
| 22:18.08 | thul | Industrial: armorylink? :-P |
| 22:18.10 | Industrial | and 50% crit |
| 22:18.11 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:18.13 | steev | although its mostly full of DKs |
| 22:18.14 | Industrial | procced ofc |
| 22:18.16 | Nickenyfiken | ckknight: haha no :-) |
| 22:18.28 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: it's a pythonesque language made for .NET |
| 22:18.33 | thul | i have 2800 ap 22% crit unbuffed |
| 22:18.33 | Nickenyfiken | Not on my realm, #trade seems to be 50% for trade adn 50% for LFG |
| 22:18.36 | steev | Industrial: pics or it didn't have |
| 22:18.38 | Industrial | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Vashj&n=Xamth |
| 22:18.39 | steev | happen |
| 22:18.45 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: overall, I think it's mostly pointless, especially now, which is the big reason I left that grop |
| 22:18.46 | NivFreak | can you whipser ToT in a macro? |
| 22:18.46 | ckknight | group* |
| 22:18.52 | NivFreak | something like %t ? |
| 22:19.04 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-1: 03Whitetooth * r16 LibStatLogic-1.1/LibStatLogic-1.1.lua: |
| 22:19.07 | Repo | - Support for Argent Crusade head enchant (+37 sta / +20 defense rating) |
| 22:19.09 | steev | im only at like 4k ap and 36% crit when im dps (currently specced tank) |
| 22:19.22 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: SendChatMessage and UnitName("targettarget") |
| 22:19.22 | ckknight | :P |
| 22:20.00 | Industrial | well armory is messing up |
| 22:20.03 | Nickenyfiken | ckknight: http://boo.codehaus.org/? |
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| 22:20.07 | ckknight | correct |
| 22:20.19 | Groktar | http://www.guild-impulse.net/gallery/pic.php?mode=med&pic_id=4 <- does this make sense to anyone else? |
| 22:20.38 | Grum | just random? |
| 22:20.44 | genetik- | race condition? |
| 22:20.49 | Groktar | same raid id for two raids |
| 22:20.59 | Grum | who says the id's arent per raid-location? |
| 22:21.27 | Industrial | thul: as enh shammy? |
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| 22:21.47 | Groktar | well, i'm just irritated because i'm saved to obsidian sanctum without ever zoning in |
| 22:22.00 | genetik- | nice |
| 22:22.04 | Groktar | i left the raid after naxx |
| 22:22.06 | Xinhuan | i'm half thinking that raidID is related to the initial raid leader's GUID |
| 22:22.14 | thul | Industrial: hehe, as DK :-P |
| 22:22.15 | Xinhuan | but i acn't proof it ;p |
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| 22:22.33 | Groktar | anyway, are there any bar mods with bars that you can't click? |
| 22:22.48 | Grum | maybe you can make BT do that |
| 22:22.54 | Groktar | i looked :( |
| 22:23.04 | Industrial | ah k well i should spec out of unleashed rage and into improved shields and +mana (=+ap) |
| 22:23.05 | Repo | 10eggtimer: 03jokeyrhyme * r27 / (2 files in 1 directory): EggTimer: |
| 22:23.06 | Grum | why would you even want it? |
| 22:23.08 | Repo | - added Zorbin's Ultra-Shrinker to the DB |
| 22:23.10 | Repo | - explicitly embed certain tagged versions of libraries where possible |
| 22:23.50 | Groktar | well, i'm basically looking for a cooldown mod |
| 22:24.20 | Grum | make macros and put a /cancel macro in it? |
| 22:24.27 | Grum | with a showtooltip of the spell? |
| 22:24.31 | Groktar | i want to be able to click through |
| 22:24.39 | Xinhuan | so... click it? |
| 22:25.00 | Groktar | no, like if there was a mob undernear the bar |
| 22:25.04 | *** join/#wowace kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 22:25.04 | Groktar | and i clicked the bar |
| 22:25.05 | *** join/#wowace Hell-Razor (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/hell-razor) |
| 22:25.07 | Groktar | i'd target the mob |
| 22:25.24 | RaydenUni | talk to me about tauren and troll racials for DK's |
| 22:25.27 | Xinhuan | you might as well hide the bar then ;p |
| 22:25.37 | Xinhuan | just bind and forget |
| 22:25.42 | onaforeignshore | he wants the bar for infomation only |
| 22:25.44 | Grum | he wants to have the cooldown |
| 22:25.45 | Groktar | ya |
| 22:25.57 | onaforeignshore | cooldown on what specifically? |
| 22:26.04 | Xinhuan | well the bar would have an icon on it, and unless you made it 50% alpha |
| 22:26.05 | Groktar | bloodthirst and ww |
| 22:26.07 | Xinhuan | you can't see thru it |
| 22:26.08 | genetik- | Groktar: i actually had one of my raiders get saved to an instance without being in it earlier this week.. i'm going to have him check his raidIDs now to see if he's got duplicate IDs.. could be a bug |
| 22:27.16 | Groktar | i think maybe i found what i need |
| 22:27.40 | Grum | Groktar: just :EnableMouse(false) ! :p |
| 22:28.26 | Grum | Groktar: what did you just find? |
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| 22:31.42 | Wraithan | how would lines like L["Stormstrike"], _, L["Stormstrike Icon"] = GetSpellInfo(32176) affect the localizer? |
| 22:32.14 | Grum | it is static data |
| 22:32.19 | Grum | why would you store it in a locale? |
| 22:32.49 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: was malygos helper yours? |
| 22:32.55 | Xinhuan | no |
| 22:33.00 | Xinhuan | its zeksie's |
| 22:33.03 | NivFreak | oh yea |
| 22:33.05 | NivFreak | Zeksie: ping |
| 22:33.10 | Zeksie | what? |
| 22:33.14 | Grum | what does that addon do? :) |
| 22:33.21 | NivFreak | so I turned it back on last night |
| 22:33.21 | Wraithan | because there were lots of places where this data was used (the spell names) and I wasn't sure of an easier way to make sure these variables were loaded before everything else |
| 22:33.23 | NivFreak | and it's a lot better |
| 22:33.26 | Xinhuan | unless you're a raid leader though, i highly doubt that addon really does anything useful |
| 22:33.26 | NivFreak | but one thing about it |
| 22:33.33 | NivFreak | there seems to be a healthy delay on the refresh |
| 22:33.37 | Zhinjio | there |
| 22:33.38 | NivFreak | have you seen that? |
| 22:33.42 | Zhinjio | new stove installed |
| 22:33.54 | NivFreak | Grum: tracks the number of stacks per person on malygos |
| 22:34.00 | Zeksie | Xinhuan: not entirely true. it's quite hard to keep track of your own debuff, cos the isMine flag doesn't work for your pet. |
| 22:34.01 | NivFreak | so you can see who fails at refreshing thier stakcs |
| 22:34.13 | onaforeignshore | Groktar? |
| 22:34.14 | Grum | oh nice |
| 22:34.16 | Xinhuan | Zeksie: i just count mentally |
| 22:34.18 | Xinhuan | not hard! |
| 22:34.22 | Zeksie | heh. |
| 22:34.22 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: and we found it very useful in it's current version |
| 22:34.24 | Zeksie | for u |
| 22:34.30 | Xinhuan | 112121121211212112121121211212! |
| 22:34.35 | Repo | 10extractor: 03Zhinjio 041.5.0-release * r24 : Tagging as 1.5.0-release |
| 22:34.52 | NivFreak | Zeksie: so any idea on the refresh lag? |
| 22:34.57 | Wraithan | Grum: and aside from how messy it looks in the localization page, it looks a lot cleaner when in the actual code to use strings formatted like that |
| 22:34.58 | Xinhuan | anyway, if i'm correct, its based on the combat log |
| 22:35.00 | Zeksie | specifically what? |
| 22:35.09 | Xinhuan | and combat log has "lag" |
| 22:35.14 | Grum | Wraithan: they are not localized strings |
| 22:35.33 | Grum | you are storing static data |
| 22:35.34 | NivFreak | Zeksie: I would do 2xspike, finish it, and my bar would take ~1 second to refill |
| 22:35.40 | Zeksie | Xinhuan: yes, it ignores UNIT_AURA and works entirely from combat log |
| 22:36.00 | Grum | and if it gives problems storing it in L; then dont store them in L :) |
| 22:36.01 | Zeksie | NivFreak: probably the SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE takes that long to come thru |
| 22:36.02 | Grum | make another table :) |
| 22:36.03 | Wraithan | Grum: they are strings, and I do it this way because it will return the appropriate name for the spell in different locales also |
| 22:36.18 | Zeksie | but also consider that Engulf has a travel time |
| 22:36.18 | Grum | but the data is static; you are not using the locale |
| 22:36.59 | NivFreak | Zeksie: there was at least one time where the bar emptied before it refreshed with my full stack |
| 22:37.12 | NivFreak | so I'm guessing it was probably combat log lag then |
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| 22:37.29 | Zeksie | possible. I make some assumptions on how long the debuff will last. and I suspect they're not entirely accurate. |
| 22:37.33 | Wraithan | How the, do I make it so a table is easily accessible by my whole project, and is loaded before everything else, without bulking up any of files used for actual code? |
| 22:37.35 | Grum | what is the minimal amount of combopoints you need to have to keep building stacks? |
| 22:37.36 | Nickenyfiken | Wraithan: AceLocale is supposed to provide locales for words or phrases you write in your addon. Not store information you gather from in game. |
| 22:37.46 | Grum | can you just do CP;engulf;CP;engulf? :) |
| 22:37.52 | NivFreak | Zeksie: is there not a more accurate way to get this data? |
| 22:37.55 | Zeksie | problems occur when current debuff is shorter than existing one, then factor in that lag you saw and the timer can be off quite a bit |
| 22:37.59 | Zeksie | nope |
| 22:38.32 | Zeksie | until we can get a guid owner of the caster from UnitAura(), we're a bit stuffed |
| 22:38.53 | Grum | what do you get? the name of the pet? :p |
| 22:39.10 | Arrowmaster | or until the ismine flag from UnitAura() works for vehicles |
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| 22:39.38 | Repo | 10shadowgreenlight: 03Mokhtar * r14 Core.lua: - Forgot to remove debug mode >< |
| 22:39.39 | Zeksie | the other problem is, the SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE does not say WHO applied it, so I have to do some more assuming that if person A casted next engulf, then it's likely (tho not of course guarenteed) that they will get the next SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE event |
| 22:40.02 | Zeksie | Grum: from UnitAura() you get a flag which says if it's yours or not. |
| 22:40.13 | Grum | which is failbroken ofc |
| 22:40.13 | Zeksie | for Malygos that's always nil, cos it's not urs, it's your pet's |
| 22:40.48 | Repo | 10shadowgreenlight: 03Mokhtar 04v1.1.1 * r15 : Tagging as v1.1.1 |
| 22:40.54 | Zeksie | Arrowmaster: yeh, i'd settle for that. |
| 22:41.09 | Zeksie | would happily delete the mod then ;) |
| 22:41.23 | Grum | the mod now tracks it for everyone right? |
| 22:41.33 | Zeksie | yeh. it does. it'll still have a use i guess ;) |
| 22:42.03 | Grum | maybe Failbot should recognize failing refreshes :p |
| 22:42.10 | Zeksie | but to any devs listening.. change isMine to casterGUID... /nod |
| 22:42.50 | Shefki | Zeksie: That's been specifically declined in the past. |
| 22:42.59 | Grum | i wonder why |
| 22:43.03 | Zeksie | pff |
| 22:43.13 | Zeksie | can all but get that info from combat log now.. |
| 22:43.21 | Zeksie | just have to store the data urself.. |
| 22:43.28 | Zeksie | which is a horrible duplication of workload |
| 22:44.02 | Shefki | Partly becuase you can get it from the combat log... Partly becuase I don't think they care about it that much. :) |
| 22:44.19 | Zeksie | get that impression a lot lately. |
| 22:45.17 | Shefki | There's quite a few pretty poor APIs that provide just barely enough info to get by. |
| 22:45.29 | Shefki | GetWeaponEnchantInfo() comes to mind since I've had to deal with it. |
| 22:45.41 | Zeksie | that one is HORRID.. |
| 22:45.55 | Zeksie | cos NONE of the enchants even remotely match the source item/spell.. |
| 22:46.24 | Shefki | My favorite part of it is that... When an enchant wears off it returns that there is a temporary enchant with zero time left for 2-3 seconds after it wears. |
| 22:46.39 | Zeksie | heh. yeh |
| 22:47.01 | ckknight | I should start a campaign against camelCasing |
| 22:47.03 | Zeksie | and no 100% reliable event to watch for apart from inventory_changed and checking every time.. |
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| 22:48.08 | Repo | 10hazloot: 03MightyHaz * r16 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 22:48.11 | Repo | Potential fix to loot report stuff... couldn't see the forest for the trees |
| 22:48.14 | Repo | Implemented a couple of HSK functions and tests to go with them. |
| 22:48.15 | genetik- | ckknight: we ended up firing someone at work because he wouldn't stop doing that |
| 22:48.33 | ckknight | he wouldn't stop camelCasing? |
| 22:48.37 | genetik- | yep |
| 22:48.41 | ckknight | what do you code in? |
| 22:48.43 | Grum | hardly anything more annoying than camelCasing |
| 22:48.46 | Bruners | camelCasing ? |
| 22:48.47 | genetik- | php mostly |
| 22:48.50 | Grum | and it is HORRIBLE to type |
| 22:48.51 | ckknight | hmm |
| 22:48.56 | ckknight | snake_casing ftw |
| 22:48.59 | genetik- | yep |
| 22:49.00 | Grum | yes! |
| 22:49.02 | ckknight | it's just far clearer |
| 22:49.06 | Grum | '_' > * |
| 22:49.21 | ckknight | for PitBull4, I use PascalCasing for methods and namespaces, but snake_casing for everything else (including local functions) |
| 22:49.30 | ckknight | it really does make things clearer, imo |
| 22:49.51 | Grum | yeah PascalCasing blends in nicely with all the libs nowadays |
| 22:49.52 | Nickenyfiken | I like camelCase, what's wrong with it? |
| 22:49.57 | Grum | its bleh |
| 22:50.06 | Zeksie | so do I.. and I'm far too old to change :) |
| 22:50.09 | genetik- | itIsHardToRead |
| 22:50.09 | pompy1 | Bruners: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamelCase |
| 22:50.11 | Grum | i dislike anything with caps in it in either case |
| 22:50.17 | Grum | it is even worse to type |
| 22:50.23 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: readability issues compared to either CamelCase or snake_case |
| 22:50.25 | Zeksie | never had issues either way. |
| 22:50.32 | Nickenyfiken | But I mostly code .NET and lua |
| 22:50.36 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: so flash&shake on thaddius charge change seems to still be broken/missing, is that known? |
| 22:50.41 | Grum | snake_case definately ftw |
| 22:50.43 | ckknight | also, there's confusion about things like ID and GUID |
| 22:50.49 | ckknight | is it unitGUID or unitGuid |
| 22:50.50 | genetik- | man, i had a friend years ago who actually typed with Every Word's First Character Capitalized |
| 22:50.51 | ckknight | or just guid |
| 22:50.52 | ckknight | or GUID? |
| 22:51.00 | ckknight | fucking a, guy |
| 22:51.02 | Zeksie | it's whatever u like.. |
| 22:51.06 | ckknight | fuck that, Zeksie |
| 22:51.09 | ckknight | I demand standardization |
| 22:51.10 | Nickenyfiken | ckknight: well camelCase is "standard" in many languages. |
| 22:51.13 | Zeksie | rofl |
| 22:51.15 | Zeksie | good luck |
| 22:51.19 | Grum | Nickenyfiken: like? :) |
| 22:51.22 | genetik- | javascript |
| 22:51.23 | ckknight | java |
| 22:51.34 | krka | lua! |
| 22:51.37 | ckknight | Zeksie: what? I can demand it |
| 22:51.39 | ckknight | krka: nope. |
| 22:51.43 | ckknight | krka: lua has no standard |
| 22:51.47 | krka | a guy can wish |
| 22:51.52 | onaforeignshore | shouldn't that be javaScript then? :p |
| 22:51.53 | Zeksie | demand yes, achieve... unlikely |
| 22:51.58 | ckknight | Zeksie: why's that? |
| 22:52.02 | ckknight | Zeksie: I have political pull |
| 22:52.08 | Zeksie | cos some people are set in their ways |
| 22:52.10 | krka | the standard library seems to use lowercase only |
| 22:52.11 | ckknight | all I need to do is proslethyze |
| 22:52.21 | ckknight | krka: scrunchedcase? |
| 22:52.30 | Nickenyfiken | Grum: Java, C#? |
| 22:52.38 | Grum | that is not 'many' :) |
| 22:52.40 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: C# is PascalCase nearly everywhere |
| 22:52.52 | ckknight | everything public, at least |
| 22:53.04 | Nickenyfiken | ckknight: not for variables? Methods use pascal of course. |
| 22:53.09 | ckknight | for private, I've seen both camelCase and snake_case |
| 22:53.20 | ckknight | I've also seen stuff like pHereIsAParam |
| 22:53.22 | ckknight | and such |
| 22:53.39 | Grum | i severely dislike strong typing :) |
| 22:53.48 | ckknight | Grum: do you mean strong or static? |
| 22:53.56 | onaforeignshore | I use camelCase for variables, and PascalCase for function names, with the exception in modules I prepend the main name using snake_case... ie. someVariable, SomeFunction, Main_ModuleFunction ;p |
| 22:54.00 | Grum | mmm i'd go for hating static then |
| 22:54.04 | ckknight | okay |
| 22:54.08 | ckknight | we're cool, then |
| 22:54.13 | NivFreak | just use LeEtCaSe |
| 22:54.19 | Grum | strong is always optional even if its not static |
| 22:54.19 | krka | so, C# uses PascalCasing for everything? |
| 22:54.35 | ckknight | krka: namespaces, constants, properties, methods |
| 22:54.42 | ckknight | classes |
| 22:54.49 | genetik- | all of my variable names are random numbers of 'q' |
| 22:54.55 | genetik- | qqqqq = qq + qqqqqqq; |
| 22:55.20 | krka | i want a language that uses StudlyCase |
| 22:55.25 | ckknight | StudlyCase? |
| 22:55.28 | krka | perhaps LOLCODE should adopt that |
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| 22:55.32 | krka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StudlyCaps |
| 22:55.35 | ckknight | lua> local genetic_is_a_lamer = true |
| 22:55.36 | lua_bot | ckknight: No output |
| 22:55.49 | genetik- | hehe |
| 22:56.15 | krka | you could argue that methods are closer to variables than to classes |
| 22:56.17 | Grum | this is funny |
| 22:56.27 | krka | especially in lua, where variables can in fact be functions |
| 22:56.38 | Grum | Perl: Package names are camel case excepting pragmata -- e.g., strict and mro -- which are lowercase. |
| 22:56.43 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03kunda * r147 / (5 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 22:56.45 | Repo | SickOfClickingDailies: |
| 22:56.47 | Repo | - added ruRU (thanks to Crafty / Vyacheslav) |
| 22:56.48 | ckknight | krka: I make my methods PascalCase and my local functions snake_case |
| 22:56.49 | Repo | - added missing string "The Frostborn" to localization (enUS/deDE/frFR/ruRU) |
| 22:56.51 | Repo | - removed UTF-8 BOM from loca files |
| 22:56.53 | Nickenyfiken | Well whatever, i just know that Microsoft use camelCase for variabled and that every piece of C# code example i see use it. Include all code we got at work. |
| 22:57.02 | Grum | they name camelCase CamelCase o.O |
| 22:57.07 | Nickenyfiken | thats why I use it in lua too, cus im used to it. |
| 22:57.12 | ckknight | bah, it's PascalCase |
| 22:57.30 | Grum | it is |
| 22:57.37 | Grum | or studly/uppercamelcase |
| 22:57.37 | Nickenyfiken | ckknight: sure its not camelToe? :-P |
| 22:57.46 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: mooseKnuckle |
| 22:57.49 | Nickenyfiken | *CamelToe |
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| 22:58.09 | Arrowmaster | why do people remove utf-8 bom's from localization files? |
| 22:58.14 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03vangual 06vangual 07master * 0e58d54 Modules/Totems/Totems.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 22:58.17 | Repo | 0e58d54: Add config mode support |
| 22:58.18 | Repo | 504d24a: updated upvalues |
| 22:58.26 | Grum | because regular lua chokes on it! |
| 22:58.28 | Groktar | hmm |
| 22:58.34 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: relevant: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5395/2660/1600/cameltoe_vs.mooseknuckle.jpg |
| 22:58.36 | Groktar | i dragged my bartender options too far to the side |
| 22:58.40 | Groktar | and now i can't drag it back |
| 22:58.47 | Arrowmaster | Grum: its a simple patch |
| 22:59.11 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: *shrug* I no longer worry about such things :P |
| 22:59.13 | Nickenyfiken | ckknight: But at least now you got a new project. Parse all lua files at wowace repos and convert camelCase to snake_case |
| 22:59.20 | ckknight | shudders |
| 22:59.21 | ckknight | nothx |
| 22:59.30 | Groktar | is there s console command to reset its position? |
| 22:59.30 | Nickenyfiken | ckknight: rofl |
| 22:59.31 | Groktar | lol |
| 22:59.44 | genetik- | Groktar: /rl :P |
| 23:00.08 | Groktar | won't it still open in the same place? |
| 23:00.11 | Repo | 10allxp: 03Zhinjio * r15 / (8 files in 3 directories): - conversion to docmeta |
| 23:00.13 | Repo | - conversion to wowace localization |
| 23:00.17 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r4906 / (5 files in 2 directories): frFR Update |
| 23:00.27 | Grum | \|/ ... we should make an ascii representation for cameltoe ! |
| 23:00.30 | Groktar | guess not |
| 23:00.34 | Groktar | for some reason i thought it saved it |
| 23:00.56 | ckknight | Grum: lol |
| 23:01.17 | Grum | i suddenly get odd ideas about \o/ .... |
| 23:02.10 | Repo | 10allxp: 03Zhinjio 041.3.0-release * r16 : Tagging as 1.3.0-release |
| 23:02.31 | ckknight | Grum: a stretched whore? |
| 23:02.43 | Grum | o.O |
| 23:03.06 | Grum | rhino would be \| |/ ? o.o |
| 23:03.30 | Grum | mm \ | / |
| 23:03.32 | durcyn | you, uh, might need to get out more. |
| 23:03.58 | Grum | out is where the light is right? |
| 23:04.06 | ckknight | no, that's the fridge |
| 23:04.12 | Grum | bulb broke ;( |
| 23:04.24 | ckknight | there is no outside. |
| 23:04.38 | Grum | wtb teleportation |
| 23:05.36 | ckknight | cheap, near-instant travel would revolutionize society |
| 23:06.39 | Grum | wtb heartstone :( |
| 23:06.48 | onaforeignshore | something keeps on turning my nameplates off at random... so irritating |
| 23:06.56 | ckknight | sure you're just not tapping v? |
| 23:07.00 | Grum | turn of all addons and it is fixed |
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| 23:08.04 | onaforeignshore | positive I'm not tapping v |
| 23:08.25 | onaforeignshore | Grum: good advice... should I /camp as well? :p |
| 23:08.33 | Grum | yes |
| 23:08.43 | Repo | 10allstats: 03Zhinjio * r11 / (5 files in 3 directories): - conversion to docmeta |
| 23:08.45 | Repo | - conversion to wowace localization |
| 23:08.47 | Grum | and type fxfighter while holding alt in mirc! |
| 23:09.10 | RaydenU | i feel dumb farming heroic mgt |
| 23:09.32 | Grum | lol why? o.O |
| 23:09.48 | RaydenU | it's a 70 dungeon |
| 23:09.53 | Repo | 10allstats: 03Zhinjio 041.2.0-release * r12 : Tagging as 1.2.0-release |
| 23:09.56 | onaforeignshore | File - Exit... |
| 23:10.08 | onaforeignshore | you're being mean :p |
| 23:10.58 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03kunda * r148 SickOfClickingDailies.toc: toc fix: do not commit a toc with 'X-Curse-'bla |
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| 23:11.54 | Grum | that is suck an old prank :p |
| 23:12.44 | Groktar | http://www.guild-impulse.net/gallery/viewpic.php?pic_id=5 |
| 23:12.52 | Groktar | lol everything keybound |
| 23:14.16 | Bruners | i have all my keys bound aswell |
| 23:14.30 | NivFreak | I have any ability I use more than once per 5 minutes keybound |
| 23:15.42 | Groktar | i wonder if i'll be able to raid like this |
| 23:15.44 | Nickenyfiken | Anyone got a regex to check if a string is a itemLink? |
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| 23:16.31 | Nickenyfiken | So I don't have to think :-P |
| 23:17.59 | Bruners | what is the best option, sell ores or prospect them? (saronite) |
| 23:18.19 | Arrowmaster | |cff%x%x%x%x%x%x|Hitem:%d-:%d-:%d-:%d-:%d-:%d-:%-?%d-:%-?%d-:%d-|h[.-]|h|r |
| 23:18.24 | Arrowmaster | i think |
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| 23:20.14 | Nickenyfiken | Thanks Arrowmaster, I'll try that. |
| 23:20.34 | ckknight | Toadkiller: I should use LibStickyFrames-2.0 with PitBull4, probably |
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| 23:21.27 | Bruners | if i was to make a questlog addon, is there any libs that would help speed up the process? |
| 23:21.58 | Arrowmaster | that are maintained, doubt it |
| 23:22.59 | Nickenyfiken | Bruners: I think Quixote is working or at least almost working. :-P |
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| 23:24.42 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 23:24.48 | Jaxon | Bruners: just making one for the hell of it or can't find one you like? |
| 23:24.49 | Arrowmaster | it needs fixes |
| 23:25.08 | Repo | 10sell-junk: 03CrazyBenny * r52 SellJunk.lua: - lowercase comparison |
| 23:25.39 | Bruners | Jaxon: bit of both |
| 23:26.03 | Jaxon | Bruners: I'd recommend QuestGuru but that doesn't help with crafting one of your own. |
| 23:26.05 | linear` | when people have $Rev: 32 $ in their files is that done automatically or manually? |
| 23:26.13 | Arrowmaster | automaticly |
| 23:26.40 | linear` | how do i do that in my file |
| 23:26.45 | Bruners | Jaxon: its to huge, with to much crap i dont need :P |
| 23:27.22 | Arrowmaster | you have to be using svn, and you have to set svn:keywords property |
| 23:27.23 | Jaxon | Bruners: ah, I just use it for the tracker and disable most everything else. |
| 23:27.25 | Bruners | Jaxon: it does however got some neat features |
| 23:27.45 | Jaxon | Because it was the closest to MonkeyQuest that I could find and wasn't butt-ugly. |
| 23:27.59 | Shirik|Ecole | linear`: It's an svn property |
| 23:28.05 | Shirik|Ecole | you need to add svn:keywords=Rev |
| 23:28.10 | Shirik|Ecole | and then just add $Rev$ to the file |
| 23:28.22 | linear` | k thanks |
| 23:28.23 | Shirik|Ecole | personally I like $Id$ |
| 23:29.22 | Arrowmaster | i found a way to abuse $Id$ to get a file modification date in utc when i found out $Date$ was in local timezone |
| 23:29.29 | Arrowmaster | but i dont use svn anymore |
| 23:30.25 | ckknight | git ftw |
| 23:30.32 | Shirik|Ecole | f git |
| 23:30.36 | ckknight | something Arrowmaster and I agree on for some ungodly reason |
| 23:31.14 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: im still forced to use your @@ stuff and cant use $Format:$ can i? |
| 23:31.43 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe * r103 GridStatusHots.toc: |
| 23:31.44 | ckknight | the @@ triggers a preprocessor in the packager |
| 23:31.45 | Repo | stupid me, should check before uploading, sorry about that. :-( |
| 23:32.00 | ckknight | we wanted it distinct from SVN's $$ stuff |
| 23:32.18 | Arrowmaster | $Format:$ is git |
| 23:32.27 | Shirik|Ecole | $$ is also not just SVN |
| 23:32.27 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: That's not abuse. That's exactly how it was intended to be used. |
| 23:32.30 | Shirik|Ecole | it's also CVS, etc. |
| 23:32.41 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: ah, yea, that works if you git export, right? |
| 23:32.48 | ckknight | hmm... I wonder if we use that now |
| 23:32.52 | ckknight | we should |
| 23:33.01 | ckknight | if not, I can get to it next week |
| 23:33.03 | ckknight | lemme check |
| 23:33.13 | ckknight | (it could be git archive, that sounds more correct) |
| 23:33.23 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: yeah but i abused it to get the date in my code |
| 23:33.31 | ckknight | we use git archive, Arrowmaster |
| 23:33.34 | ckknight | you're free to use $Format$ |
| 23:33.38 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: yeah its git archive, oh you do now? |
| 23:33.45 | ckknight | yea, have for a few months |
| 23:35.10 | Repo | 10grid-status-missing-buffs: 03Azethoth * r66 GridStatusMissingBuffs.lua: |
| 23:35.13 | Repo | -- Get rid of single buffs in the default. These are now completely handled in Grid itself. |
| 23:35.15 | Repo | -- This means deleting Thorns, Inner Fire, Horn of Winter. |
| 23:35.17 | Repo | -- Version the db and delete old configs for Thorns, Inner Fire, Horn of Winter, the deleted paladin buffs. |
| 23:36.55 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe * r104 GridStatusHots.toc: why not complicate things a bit? |
| 23:38.55 | Arrowmaster | who fucked up grid-status-hots toc |
| 23:39.15 | ckknight | Bogenlampe? |
| 23:40.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah he did |
| 23:40.09 | Arrowmaster | in r101 |
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| 23:56.18 | pentium166 | I have dragged the top of my interface options panel off the screen and now I can't move it. Is there an easy way to reset it without editing wtf files? :( |
| 23:57.48 | pentium166 | I don't even know what enables the dragging! |
| 23:59.01 | Arrowmaster | close and reopen it? |
| 23:59.08 | pentium166 | I have |
| 23:59.15 | Arrowmaster | reload? |
| 23:59.21 | pentium166 | that too! |
| 23:59.27 | Arrowmaster | i have no idea then |
| 23:59.28 | NeoTron | edit the wtf file |
| 23:59.41 | pentium166 | which wtf file :p |
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