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00:05.00 | kisk_ | anybody messed with lib-ScrollingTable?? |
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00:06.37 | kisk_ | I'm using it as a mixin like: ATest = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("ATest", "AceComm-3.0", "lib-ScrollingTable"); |
00:08.08 | kisk_ | however, the library itself uses its own set of AceAddon-3.0 and such. When lib-ScrollingTable gets loaded, it can't find its instance of AceAddon-3.0 |
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00:08.47 | kisk_ | can you do in lua what you can do in an embeds.xml file? |
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00:09.17 | Repo | 10buttonfacade: 03StormFX 043.0.3b1 * r188 : (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
00:09.19 | Repo | - Removed FuBar/Harbor support (Use Broker2FuBar). |
00:09.22 | Repo | - Added Broker Support. |
00:09.24 | Repo | - Added LibDBIcon support. |
00:09.27 | Repo | - Rebuilt the options window. |
00:14.07 | Wraithan | Does curse have it's on channel on here? |
00:14.24 | sztanpet | dont know, curseforge has |
00:14.36 | Zhinjio | #curseforge |
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00:16.57 | fewyn | any good proc watching style addons? |
00:17.36 | sztanpet | @project nao |
00:17.37 | Repo | sztanpet: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/nao/. Nao!!. Game: WoW. leethal (Manager/Author), disht (Author). Updated: 2 days ago. Tickets: 6/21 |
00:17.43 | sztanpet | that^ |
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00:43.47 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r65 Core.lua: Cleaned up the code a bit. |
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01:00.08 | Gahzirra | pees on the boston celtics |
01:00.23 | thul | hmm |
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01:58.51 | squidbear | Hey |
02:03.55 | Curses | Hello |
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02:10.51 | Lywellyn | Having a commit problem, with character encoding, can anyone help? |
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02:11.26 | sztanpet | ~asktoask |
02:11.27 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
02:11.54 | Lywellyn | ... |
02:12.09 | Lywellyn | I can't commit because it says I have a character encoding problem, what can I do? |
02:12.32 | sztanpet | where, whats the error give us something MOAR |
02:13.12 | sztanpet | remove the bom from your files if you have one |
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02:13.25 | Lywellyn | Says that there's a pre-commit error. That it can't use the file because of it's encoding, and says allowed encoding is utf-8. The encoding of this file IS utf-8. |
02:13.33 | Lywellyn | "bom"? |
02:13.42 | sztanpet | the byte order mark |
02:13.49 | sztanpet | what editor are you using |
02:13.59 | Lywellyn | normally notepad++ |
02:14.17 | sztanpet | i think that knows how to include bom or not |
02:14.17 | Lywellyn | but I was sent this file, so my editor is irrelevant. |
02:14.21 | sztanpet | or at least you can tell it to |
02:15.04 | Lywellyn | this might shed a bit more light: The file in question is a Russian locale translation file. I was sent it saying that it had to be re-encoded for it to work for his client. Not knowing any better, I'm taking him at his word. |
02:17.22 | Gahzirra | open file, press ctrl+a, then ctrl+v |
02:17.29 | Gahzirra | make a new text file |
02:17.32 | Gahzirra | ctrl+v |
02:17.37 | Gahzirra | commit that? |
02:18.14 | Lywellyn | I assume you're telling me to copy/paste it to a new file? This would take away from what I've been told is a required UTF-8 encoding for his locale though. |
02:21.40 | sztanpet | download another projects russion translation file, and replace its contents with yours and upload that |
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02:28.55 | Gnarfoz | or just read what was already said and save it again without a Byte-order-marker |
02:29.05 | Gnarfoz | your editor knows how to, just find the option. ;) |
02:29.36 | Gnarfoz | also, pasting it into a new file would not mean the new file wouldn't be UTF-8, as long as you didn't set it that way ^^ |
02:30.03 | Lywellyn | ALright, tried a number of things. |
02:30.23 | Lywellyn | Tried the pasting into an existing ruRU file, didn't work. Tried using notepad++ to convert to "UTF-8 without BOM", didn't work. |
02:31.10 | Gnarfoz | got a hex editor handy? |
02:31.21 | Gnarfoz | or can NP++ maybe even show files as hex itself? |
02:31.47 | Torhal | Meh. wowace.com is borked again. Yay. |
02:34.04 | Gahzirra | blames ckknight |
02:34.27 | Arrowmaster | Lywellyn: copy paste doesnt change the encoding |
02:34.38 | Arrowmaster | just try it |
02:34.49 | Lywellyn | I said I did try it. |
02:35.23 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's what you said |
02:35.33 | Lywellyn | Or, i opened an existing ruRU file that does work on the repository, pasted the contents of my file to it, saved it, tried to commit, still didn't work. |
02:35.40 | Gnarfoz | now, does np++ have a hex-edit mode, and if so, what are the first 2 bytes? :O |
02:35.53 | Lywellyn | I'm downloading a hex editor plugin for it now |
02:36.03 | Shirik | nevcairiel: ping |
02:36.04 | Arrowmaster | what exactly did he say about the encoding when he sent it |
02:36.18 | Lywellyn | that he had to re-encode it as UTF-8 for it to work with his client. |
02:36.33 | Shirik | What is Ace licensed under? GPL |
02:36.33 | Shirik | ? |
02:36.34 | Arrowmaster | did he say what encoding he sent it as? |
02:36.57 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: BSDish for Ace3, it has an extra clause |
02:37.04 | Shirik | blah |
02:37.05 | Lywellyn | ...yes, he said he encoded it as UTF-8, and Firefox verifies that. |
02:37.08 | Shirik | now I have to actually read the license |
02:37.37 | Arrowmaster | guessing you are on a windows computer? |
02:37.39 | Gnarfoz | firefox doesn't know shit about encodings |
02:37.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah it really doesnt |
02:37.58 | Gnarfoz | it believes whatever the server tells it :O |
02:38.00 | Lywellyn | Yes, I am, and I'd really prefer not to have to install python if I can help it >< |
02:38.01 | Arrowmaster | it just knows what the server tells it |
02:38.50 | Arrowmaster | did the precommit hook tell you any details when it errored? |
02:38.59 | Arrowmaster | originally it gave a possition i think |
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02:39.31 | Arrowmaster | do you have a lua.exe? |
02:40.04 | Gnarfoz | can you host the file somewhere :O |
02:40.05 | Lywellyn | Just says 'pre-commit' hook failed with error output: [file] has a syntax error: File not encoded correctly for game 'wow' (allowed encodings: utf-8) |
02:40.09 | Gnarfoz | that'd make stuff easier :D |
02:40.26 | Arrowmaster | host means actually host, not pastey or anything like that |
02:40.36 | Lywellyn | I'm well aware what "host" means. |
02:40.52 | Lywellyn | fortunately, I have webspace, yes. |
02:40.58 | Arrowmaster | just saying because pastey.net belew up on me before with utf8 |
02:41.13 | quiescens | kaboom~! |
02:41.17 | Lywellyn | really. that's odd. |
02:41.18 | Shirik | ~boom |
02:41.19 | purl | The World's First Linux-Only Modification For Quake 2. URL: http://fragland.net/boom/ |
02:41.23 | Shirik | ... |
02:41.34 | quiescens | /bonk shirik |
02:41.38 | Arrowmaster | put it somewhere and ill wget it from my nix box |
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02:42.37 | Lywellyn | first two bytes are EFBB. That's the BOM, isn't it? |
02:42.45 | Arrowmaster | no |
02:42.58 | Lywellyn | oh. though it looked familiar from what I had read so far. |
02:43.00 | Shirik | EFEE or EEEF iirc |
02:43.13 | Gnarfoz | should be EEEF, IIRC |
02:43.20 | Shirik | can be either |
02:43.26 | Shirik | the purpose is to determine endianness |
02:43.27 | Lywellyn | wait, the curse faq I was looking at says the BOM for utf-8 is EF BB BF |
02:43.33 | Lywellyn | which is what my file is. |
02:43.46 | Arrowmaster | oh |
02:43.49 | Gnarfoz | yeah. and it shouldn't have a BOM. |
02:43.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats right |
02:43.49 | Gnarfoz | :p |
02:43.58 | Arrowmaster | no it should have a bom |
02:44.28 | Shirik | ok then what is EEEF :/ |
02:44.46 | Gnarfoz | actually, I meant FFFE, I had it the wrong way around :D |
02:45.05 | Shirik | yeah that |
02:45.10 | Arrowmaster | FFFE is utf-16-le |
02:45.13 | Lywellyn | well either way, it doesn't work. Now that I see it in hex mode, Notepad++'s convert to utf-8 without bom *does* work... |
02:45.21 | Shirik | oh that's the UTF-16 BOM |
02:45.26 | Shirik | yeah |
02:45.55 | Lywellyn | http://www.barononline.org/public/InscriptionFuLocale-ruRU.lua |
02:45.57 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r66 Core.lua: |
02:46.00 | Repo | Fixed a bug and added some comments in the code about some functions. |
02:46.25 | Lywellyn | that's without the BOM, btw. |
02:46.42 | Gnarfoz | grrr fucking racer achievement :O |
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02:47.29 | Lywellyn | what, it's easy. :p |
02:47.32 | Arrowmaster | Lywellyn: no error for me in python |
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02:47.40 | Arrowmaster | valid utf8 |
02:47.46 | Lywellyn | then why won't the repository let me commit it? >< |
02:47.51 | Shirik | ./InscriptionFuLocale-ruRU.lua: UTF-8 Unicode English text, with CRLF line terminators |
02:48.30 | Lywellyn | Oh my f*%&ing god. |
02:48.38 | quiescens | o.O |
02:48.45 | Lywellyn | Please excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall a few times. |
02:48.52 | Shirik | ? |
02:48.53 | quiescens | what kind of wall? |
02:48.54 | Lywellyn | It wasn't the Russian file that's erroring, it's my GERMAN one >< |
02:48.59 | Shirik | fovl |
02:49.00 | Shirik | rofl |
02:49.00 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
02:49.29 | Lywellyn | so youc an't use ANSI at all? |
02:50.15 | Arrowmaster | you mean without the bom |
02:50.22 | Arrowmaster | its utf8 nomatter what for wow |
02:51.03 | Lywellyn | Actually, the german one just worked *with* the bom. :p |
02:51.11 | Lywellyn | but okay, utf-8. I learned something today. >< |
02:51.23 | Shirik | WoW will ignore the BOM, but it doesn't have to be there |
02:51.31 | Lywellyn | wait a damn minute. |
02:51.35 | Lywellyn | my enUS locale file is ANSI! |
02:51.44 | Arrowmaster | doesnt matter |
02:51.46 | Lywellyn | and it works just fine in the repository! |
02:51.59 | quiescens | that's because its mostly a subset anyway |
02:52.00 | Shirik | All of the lower code page ASCII characters fit in UTF-8 |
02:52.03 | Shirik | it was specifically designed that way |
02:52.17 | Arrowmaster | a utf8 file without a bom and without using any characters not found on a US english keyboard is also ANSI |
02:52.27 | Lywellyn | Oh okay, and since it's plain English, doesn't use anys pecial characters, it works? I get it then. |
02:52.34 | Arrowmaster | right |
02:52.42 | Gnarfoz | btw, BOM in .toc = bad :P |
02:52.49 | Arrowmaster | bom in toc is fine |
02:53.04 | Arrowmaster | or is there some other issue? |
02:54.26 | Gnarfoz | maybe I'm not up to date anymore on that, but I remember that being problematic :O |
02:54.47 | Gahzirra | leans back in his chair and sneaks a peek up Arrowmaster's skirt |
02:54.49 | Arrowmaster | it used to be before TBC but one of the later 1.x patches fixed it |
02:55.01 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
02:56.04 | Arrowmaster | now a bom in an xml file i would say is probably a bad idea |
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02:56.55 | Arrowmaster | since really it should start with '<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>' instead, ive not tested it but im guessing that doesnt cause any issues in wow |
02:57.39 | Lywellyn | Is there a bit of lag for tagging your repository? |
02:59.00 | Arrowmaster | using the web interface? it should be almost instant |
02:59.09 | Arrowmaster | syncing to curse.com does take a while |
02:59.21 | Lywellyn | I thought so. But I tagged it, and it didn't show any commit message in the Dev channel... |
02:59.40 | Arrowmaster | using the web interface? |
02:59.43 | Lywellyn | Yeah |
03:00.17 | Lywellyn | and I'd hate to re-tag it and find out the original somehow went though, then I'd have two v1.1 files and it'd be all messy. :p |
03:00.32 | Arrowmaster | that shouldnt happen |
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03:00.53 | Arrowmaster | as long as you keep trying the same exact tag name |
03:01.35 | Lywellyn | Yeah, tried it again, the web interface returns "Successfully edited repository" but still no commit messages. |
03:01.48 | Lywellyn | wonder if it's broked? |
03:01.57 | Arrowmaster | might |
03:06.15 | Zhinjio | ok, so apparently I have now officially entered daddy-hood. |
03:06.26 | Zhinjio | I put together the baby's new toys before setting up my new monitor |
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03:07.25 | Gnarfoz | @project buttonfacade |
03:07.26 | Repo | Gnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/projects/buttonfacade/. ButtonFacade. Game: WoW. StormFX (Manager/Author), jjsheets (Author), Satrina (Author). Updated: 2 hours ago. Tickets: 2/5 |
03:07.52 | Gnarfoz | whoever tagged that last majorly fucked up. |
03:07.52 | Gnarfoz | :p |
03:08.34 | Pkekyo| | http://bash.org/?846604 vote it up plees :> |
03:09.13 | sztanpet | ooh thats actually half decent |
03:09.36 | Pkekyo| | ohjes ;> |
03:09.56 | Lywellyn | voted. classic. |
03:10.06 | Pkekyo| | meh, got to get to work in 26 hours |
03:10.12 | Pkekyo| | regular sleep pattern = win |
03:10.20 | Pkekyo| | and cheers for the votage ;> |
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03:14.08 | Lywellyn | god damn it why did you remind me about bash.org ;o |
03:15.24 | Pkekyo| | because I need the votes :p |
03:15.38 | Lywellyn | waaaa I can't leave xD |
03:16.08 | Pkekyo| | been there, done that...and then I read EVERY quote on the bloody site :p |
03:16.14 | Pkekyo| | and now I'm ok again :) |
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03:44.41 | Gnarfoz | ~seen stormfx |
03:44.43 | purl | stormfx <i=user@12-219-196-5.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 662d 21h 47m 17s ago, saying: 'You're welcome, friend. All I really did was verify the licenses and make sure they were up to par. Had to remove a font from Font pack 1, though :('. |
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03:49.04 | Repo | 10libfail-1-0: 03sylvanaar * r14 LibFail-1.0.lua: |
03:49.06 | Repo | convert spell names to spell ID's. add a fall damage check after the thaddius jump |
03:52.40 | sylvanaar | god now i have to retest it |
03:54.38 | Gnarfoz | again, and again, and again. |
03:54.39 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
03:55.33 | sylvanaar | take pitty on me and help test it |
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03:58.03 | quiescens | fall damage check? |
03:58.29 | doom0r | woooooooooooooooooot |
03:58.32 | doom0r | green proto drake |
03:58.45 | sacarasc | grats doom0r |
03:58.56 | sylvanaar | grats doom0r |
03:59.10 | sylvanaar | quiescens ? what |
03:59.28 | sylvanaar | if you miss the jump - you fall |
03:59.55 | quiescens | don't you take some miniscule amount of fall damage or something anyway |
04:00.00 | quiescens | I forget |
04:00.24 | Gnarfoz | no, not normally |
04:00.30 | sylvanaar | its all about the missing the jump part |
04:00.49 | quiescens | the acid/poison/greengoo damage? |
04:00.51 | sylvanaar | you either hit solid ground, or fall in slime |
04:02.00 | sylvanaar | if you hit solid ground you take fall damage |
04:02.27 | sylvanaar | (assuming you missed the jump) |
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04:05.47 | Repo | 10buttonfacade: 03Arrowmaster 043.0.3b1 * r189 : Remove botched tag |
04:05.51 | Repo | 10buttonfacade: 038tImER 043.0.3b1.1 * r191 : Clean up 3.0.3b1 tag which went totally wrong |
04:05.55 | Repo | 10buttonfacade: 03Arrowmaster 043.0.3b2 * r190 : Make a new tag to replace the previous broken one |
04:05.59 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r67 Core.lua: |
04:06.02 | Repo | Cleaned up the code some more and added more comments to the functions. |
04:06.03 | doom0r | omg, i had no idea what this thing looks like |
04:06.05 | Repo | 10buttonfacade: 038tImER 043.0.3b1.1 * r192 : nevermind, nothing to see here. (curse you Arrow :P) |
04:06.05 | doom0r | it's freakin awesome |
04:06.12 | Repo | 10failboat: 03sylvanaar * r22 FailBoat.lua: touched by a troll |
04:06.27 | sacarasc | "touched by a troll"? |
04:06.40 | sylvanaar | i had to get the lib rebuilt |
04:06.48 | sylvanaar | its also the name of a buff |
04:07.10 | sacarasc | it sounds like the start of a sexual harassment suit |
04:07.20 | sylvanaar | from the talisman of troll (?) divinity |
04:07.46 | sylvanaar | it stacks |
04:08.05 | sylvanaar | Touched By A Troll (5) |
04:09.40 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: wheee it lives :0 |
04:12.39 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.wowace.com/announcements/merry-christmas/ |
04:13.07 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r182 modules/PopupMessage.lua: |
04:13.10 | Repo | check PLAYERLINK for nil before calling :match (not sure why its nil) |
04:14.36 | doom0r | wow, i'm still giggling, lol |
04:22.54 | sacarasc | why? |
04:24.23 | Torhal | Blargh. |
04:24.27 | Torhal | /wrists |
04:24.37 | Torhal | I get to have fun, now. |
04:24.48 | Torhal | I get to wrap my head around secure frames for LibQTipClick. |
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04:36.04 | Zhinjio | so talk to me about HDMI video cards. |
04:36.25 | Zhinjio | my very limited research so far makes it look like its somewhat of a fringe or niche product |
04:41.03 | doom0r | don't see the need |
04:41.13 | doom0r | dvi can do hdcp |
04:42.29 | Zhinjio | well, so here's the thing. |
04:42.40 | Zhinjio | my wife got me a monitor that has dsub and hdmi |
04:42.42 | Zhinjio | no dbi |
04:42.44 | Zhinjio | er, dvi |
04:42.58 | Zhinjio | so I need to decide if I wanna get a new video card, or trade it in for a monitor with dvi |
04:43.13 | Shefki | You probably want to use DVI. |
04:43.19 | Arrowmaster | hdmi and dvi are compatible |
04:43.33 | Zhinjio | wait, is there an adapter do-jiggey? |
04:43.36 | Arrowmaster | yes |
04:43.48 | Zhinjio | woot! |
04:44.06 | Shefki | Just be prepared to pay through the nose for it. |
04:44.11 | Gahzirra | dresses up Arrowmaster in his best Napoleon outfit |
04:44.30 | Zhinjio | gah, ok... lemme poke around |
04:45.05 | Arrowmaster | should just be a cable and not like a converter box or anything |
04:45.12 | Shefki | Seems anything that says hdmi costs 3 times what it should. |
04:45.23 | Zhinjio | nods. |
04:45.30 | Zhinjio | cablenmor.com to the rescue |
04:45.43 | Shefki | You can usually find cheap stuff online, but if you go to a local store they jack the prices insanely. |
04:45.58 | Zhinjio | $16.50 |
04:46.02 | Zhinjio | sweet deal |
04:46.07 | Arrowmaster | cables are always over priced |
04:46.13 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/revelation/. Revelation. Torhal (Manager/Author). Approved by Zhinjio. |
04:46.27 | Zhinjio | ah, awit... thats just the connectors. lemme see... |
04:46.41 | Zhinjio | 3' cable, $24 |
04:46.46 | Zhinjio | that'll do. |
04:46.53 | Arrowmaster | a friend worked at a bestbuy and got some $50 cable, hdmi i think, for like $1 with employee discount |
04:46.58 | doom0r | yes, peopple tend to believe that they need to pay a shit ton for copper in a new configuration |
04:47.12 | Zhinjio | now I just need to make sure it has the proper ends on it. |
04:47.43 | Torhal | ckknight: pingage |
04:48.34 | Repo | 10buttonfacade: 03ananhaid * r193 Locales (2 files in 1 directory): ButtonFacade: |
04:48.35 | Repo | - zhCN/zhTW update. |
04:53.03 | Torhal | Blargh. I have no repository for Revelation, so I cannot commit. |
04:53.54 | Zhinjio | so, um, edit it. |
04:53.59 | Zhinjio | grins. |
04:54.15 | Torhal | I did. It was set to none, I set it to SVN, but it doesn't exist. |
04:54.27 | Torhal | They all default to None, actually :) |
04:54.36 | Zhinjio | might be some site script lag is all I can think |
04:55.17 | Torhal | Error: No repository found in 'svn://torhal@svn.wowace.com/wow/revelation/mainline/trunk' |
04:55.39 | Torhal | Probably, though it has been awhile since I set it to Subversion. |
04:56.16 | Zhinjio | I waited over an hour one night on that. |
04:57.11 | doom0r | Zhinjio: does HitCrit handle vulnerable mobs? |
04:57.20 | Torhal | I'm beginning to wonder if I'll ever actually play WoW again. I seem to be coding all the time again. |
05:00.01 | Zhinjio | doom0r: it currently ignores mobs if they're grey, but doesn't handle mobs with major damage debuffs, no |
05:00.05 | Zhinjio | so to speak |
05:00.28 | doom0r | ya, i saw the low level in the changelog, didn't see anything bout dmg debuffs |
05:00.58 | Zhinjio | unfortunately, thats alot of manual work. there really isn't any way to detect it except by mob name, comparing to a list. |
05:01.02 | Zhinjio | which is ass. |
05:01.21 | Torhal | Zhinjio: But you're a Datamining God. |
05:01.30 | Zhinjio | I am? |
05:01.34 | Zhinjio | oh jesus, hell no. |
05:01.38 | Torhal | Hahahaha |
05:01.54 | Zhinjio | I need to automate the extractor stuff still. doing that by hand sucked monkey |
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05:11.42 | sztanpet | i have a [homes] section in my smb.conf but that should be refering to my home dir and i see a homes dir and dir with my username both going to the same place |
05:11.53 | sztanpet | any idea how i remove the homes one |
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05:56.24 | Gahzirra | crawls into your attic and dies |
06:02.23 | doom0r | qq, tlpd is in the server cache |
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06:20.38 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r68 modules/weaponprocs.lua: Added One Handed Sword procs. |
06:25.08 | Repo | 10pokedex: 03stencil * r14 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
06:25.10 | Repo | Finished updating mount UI. Having only mounts of similar type in dropdown will make it easier to use for those with many mounts. |
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06:26.18 | Repo | 10repheaderremember: 03stencil * r7 RepHeaderRemember.toc: updated version number, ready for release |
06:29.07 | Torhal | Kaelten: pingage |
06:33.42 | sztanpet | on 2week vacation |
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06:34.07 | Torhal | Bah. And ckknight isn't responding either. |
06:34.20 | sztanpet | sleeping |
06:34.40 | sztanpet | 1:34 am there |
06:34.52 | Torhal | LIES! He is physically incapable of sleeping. |
06:35.00 | Torhal | It's 1:34am here as well :) |
06:35.31 | what`sthatsmell | trims Torhal's toenails |
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06:42.36 | Zhinjio | sleep? |
06:42.41 | Zhinjio | what is this sleep you sopeak of? |
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07:06.09 | Torhal | Zhinjio: No clue. |
07:07.03 | Torhal | All I know is my repository still doesn't exist. |
07:07.07 | Torhal | grumbles. |
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07:16.58 | Zhinjio | that sucks. thats definitely longer than I've ever had to wait |
07:17.00 | Zhinjio | I think |
07:19.36 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm * r22 / (14 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 5 lines) |
07:19.39 | Repo | MorgDKP2 |
07:19.42 | Repo | -raid editing and itemDB editing fully functional in raidtracker |
07:19.43 | Repo | -added other bosses in obsidian sanctum |
07:19.46 | Repo | -fixed/changed all DKP systems for new raidtracker changes (zerosum was not doing some things correctly should be now) |
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08:54.46 | Zhinjio | can dewdrop and tablet be invoked through libstub? |
08:54.58 | Zhinjio | or do they actually require AceLibrary |
08:57.42 | Torhal | They supposedly require AceLibrary. |
08:57.44 | nevcairiel | they require AL |
08:57.48 | Torhal | Why? |
08:57.52 | Zhinjio | crap. |
08:58.15 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Bonk someone. My new project has no repository. :) |
08:59.04 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Make LibQTipClick support secure frames so I don't have to. |
08:59.05 | Zhinjio | well shit. |
08:59.07 | nevcairiel | Because the AceLibrary initialization code with that "activate" function is quite different |
08:59.13 | Zhinjio | yikes |
08:59.15 | nevcairiel | hm when did you create the project? |
08:59.35 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Over 24 hours ago. I specified that it was a Subversion project about 5 hours ago. |
08:59.42 | nevcairiel | hm wowace page isnt responding again =P |
08:59.52 | Zhinjio | its been on and off all day |
08:59.57 | Zhinjio | fits and starts |
09:11.17 | Torhal | Zhinjio: WHat are you doing with Tablet and Dewdrop? |
09:16.10 | Zhinjio | this is in my previous plugin, SKG |
09:16.22 | Zhinjio | I do some pretty complex multi-layer dewdropds |
09:16.27 | Zhinjio | tablet I could probably nuke |
09:16.58 | Zhinjio | drop-down menus |
09:18.01 | Zhinjio | I guess I need to break down and just figure out cellproviders and stop procrastinating |
09:18.05 | Zhinjio | cries. |
09:18.47 | Torhal | Hehehehe |
09:18.54 | Torhal | Well, depends on what you're doing. |
09:19.27 | Torhal | And until I add secure frame handling to LibQTipClick, I'm forced to use Dewdrop for Revelation. |
09:24.54 | Torhal | Zhinjio: ping |
09:25.01 | Zhinjio | pong |
09:25.24 | Torhal | local menu = QTC:Acquire("MyAddonMenu", 5) |
09:25.31 | Zhinjio | I have one particularly complex dropdwon that has to contain (in theory) like... 200+ players |
09:25.51 | Zhinjio | listens |
09:26.17 | Zhinjio | can a hover of one line in that trigger a second one? |
09:26.30 | Zhinjio | well, no.. I mean, I know it can |
09:26.35 | Zhinjio | but thats what I need |
09:26.35 | Torhal | menu:SetCell(line, col, "Button1", {arg1 = blah, arg2 = heh}) |
09:26.50 | Torhal | menu:SetCallback("OnMouseDown", myHandler) |
09:27.29 | Torhal | local function myHandler(cell, arg, event) if type(arg) == "table" then |
09:27.40 | Torhal | :D |
09:27.59 | Torhal | Ok, for hovering: menu:SetCallback("OnEnter", myHandler) |
09:28.32 | Torhal | And in the SetCell() you can also use a function instead of a table. |
09:28.54 | Torhal | menu:SetCell(line, col, "Button1", function() DoSomething() end) |
09:29.28 | Torhal | You'll still have to define the handler function though |
09:29.38 | Zhinjio | nods. |
09:29.42 | Torhal | Then do a: arg() |
09:29.49 | Zhinjio | as soon as I'm done with my dailies here, I'll look closer |
09:29.54 | Zhinjio | goddamnit. |
09:29.55 | Zhinjio | grins. |
09:29.58 | Torhal | Heh |
09:30.23 | Torhal | And DoSomething() could: menu2 = QTC:Acquire() |
09:30.30 | Torhal | Ad-hock dewdrop. |
09:31.52 | Torhal | As soon as I realized I could pass a function as the argument, I decided I didn't need to bloat the library with a :SetCellFunction() |
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09:45.13 | Zhinjio | I think I should probably branch to play with that. |
09:45.21 | Torhal | Aye. |
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09:51.28 | Zhinjio | ah great, now I'm getting no repository errors as well |
09:51.30 | Zhinjio | sighs. |
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09:52.29 | Torhal | Blargh. |
09:52.45 | Torhal | ckknight: See what you did? You went to sleep and wowace blew up. |
09:52.57 | Zhinjio | its been finicky for days, imho |
09:53.08 | Torhal | Yah, but it's exploded today. |
09:53.12 | Zhinjio | I suspect shenanigans |
09:53.22 | Torhal | Heh |
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09:55.41 | Chexsum | Hi ;) |
09:55.53 | Repo | 10skg: 03Zhinjio * r124 / (5 files in 2 directories): SKG : |
09:55.55 | Repo | - fixed acegui dependency |
09:55.58 | Repo | - added in 3 more ignores |
09:56.00 | Repo | - fixed usage message |
09:56.11 | Chexsum | Setting up my phone... |
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09:59.28 | Chexsum | Wtb #wowace on iphone howto |
10:00.20 | Repo | 10buttonfacade: 03StormFX * r194 tags/ (2 files in 2 directories): - Clean up old tags. |
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10:11.00 | Zhinjio | I can browse to my mainline, I can't browse to the new one. |
10:11.08 | Zhinjio | there's definitely some serious funk in the gears |
10:12.22 | Fisker- | maybe it's in the cogs |
10:12.57 | Zhinjio | maybe I should try and branch using svn instead. lemme see if I can figure that out. |
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10:13.50 | Zhinjio | no, that won't work. there has to be a repository there. |
10:13.52 | Zhinjio | blah |
10:14.00 | Zhinjio | looks like this waits for someone to kick it in the junk |
10:14.29 | Fisker- | is all over Zhinjio's junk |
10:14.44 | Zhinjio | I have plenty of junk, to be sure. |
10:15.39 | Fisker- | What are you going to do with it? |
10:15.47 | Fisker- | in the case that all that junk is in your trunk? |
10:16.13 | Zhinjio | I do not keep my junk in the trunk, I do not keep it there at all |
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10:16.28 | Zhinjio | I keep my junk with the skunk! (eevn though he's very small) |
10:16.28 | Fisker- | spoilsport :( |
10:16.37 | Zhinjio | channels Dr.Seuss for a moment. |
10:21.44 | Repo | 10procodile: 03Zarnivoop * r48 / (3 files in 1 directory): Oops, forgot a line in embeds.xml |
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10:44.38 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Boo! Hiss! www.wowace.com thwarts us! |
10:44.49 | Zhinjio | It does indeed. |
10:45.14 | Torhal | Secure frames make me want to gouge my eyes out with an olive fork. |
10:45.23 | Torhal | Perhps I should sleep before pondering on them further, |
10:45.38 | Torhal | s/Perhps/Perhaps/ |
10:45.45 | Torhal | And stuff. |
10:45.47 | Zhinjio | mmm, olives. |
10:45.52 | Torhal | Heh. |
10:45.53 | Zhinjio | actually, I hate olives |
10:45.57 | Zhinjio | so yeah |
10:46.07 | Zhinjio | I'm slowly wrapping up to go to bed myself |
10:46.17 | Zhinjio | looks like I'll next attempt this after the bar tmw evening |
10:46.25 | Torhal | Considering the fact that it's 5:46am here, I'm long overdue. |
10:46.41 | Zhinjio | one more ah scan |
10:46.46 | Torhal | Heh |
10:46.50 | Zhinjio | nods. |
10:47.10 | Torhal | Speaking of...must log into "Merchant" and get all the herbs I sent him to AH. |
10:47.34 | Zhinjio | steals yr herbs. |
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11:04.47 | Repo | 10procodile: 03Zarnivoop * r49 / (3 files in 1 directory): Minimap button fixed |
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11:16.47 | Repo | 10procodile: 03Zarnivoop 043.0-5 * r52 : Various fixes |
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11:27.00 | Zhinjio | G"night |
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11:40.42 | Xinhuan | evening :) |
11:42.07 | nevcairiel | morning |
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11:49.03 | vhaarr | gday |
11:50.06 | Fisker- | hisses |
11:54.42 | Fisker- | btw |
11:54.49 | Fisker- | good afternoon etc. |
11:55.02 | doom0r | mmm |
11:55.10 | Fisker- | y helo thar doom0r |
11:55.45 | doom0r | ckknight: paste needs to give a short link, http://wowace.com/paste/40 is way better than http://www.wowace.com/paste/40-equip-dagger-stealth-ambush-equip-sword-ss/ |
11:56.17 | nevcairiel | the links are too long anyway |
11:56.35 | doom0r | the first one resolves to second |
11:56.42 | doom0r | just need to get that given to user easy |
11:56.43 | doom0r | try it |
11:56.46 | nevcairiel | links like http://is.gd/2ZJk are nice shorturls =P |
11:56.58 | nevcairiel | or pastey.net/foo |
11:57.17 | doom0r | http://wowace.com/paste/40 isn't bad |
11:57.19 | doom0r | and works |
11:58.08 | doom0r | just not everyone is gonna realize that or try and waste the time to reform it |
11:58.48 | doom0r | btw, nice dagger ambush macro for a non-dagger rogue |
12:02.38 | doom0r | there's a reply function, but no edit function |
12:02.41 | doom0r | =\ |
12:02.47 | doom0r | /cast [equipped:Daggers,nocombat,nostealth] Stealth |
12:02.47 | doom0r | /equipslot [nostealth,nocombat,noequipped:Daggers] 16 DAGGER |
12:02.47 | doom0r | /equipslot [combat,equipped:Daggers] 16 SWORD |
12:02.47 | doom0r | /cast [stealth,equipped:Daggers] Ambush; [combat] Sinister Strike() |
12:02.56 | doom0r | bah, sorry |
12:03.15 | doom0r | i need to go to bed |
12:04.06 | Repo | 10failboat: 03ananhaid * r24 / (2 files in 2 directories): FailBoat: |
12:04.08 | Repo | - add zhCN locale. |
12:04.51 | doom0r | heh |
12:04.51 | doom0r | already being translated ;x |
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12:24.45 | Repo | 10bison: 03StingerSoft * r16 / (2 files in 1 directory): ruRU added |
12:35.17 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r70 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
12:35.19 | Repo | Forgot to add the proculasldb.lua file for DataBroker support, my bad. |
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12:48.04 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r71 / (5 files in 2 directories): Added a Minimap button. |
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13:15.00 | Pkekyo| | http://bash.org/?846604 |
13:15.00 | Pkekyo| | UNDERWEAR |
13:15.46 | Cheads | =) |
13:16.08 | Pkekyo| | vote it up ;> |
13:20.33 | Fisker- | Pkekyo| my friend |
13:20.52 | Fisker- | Done! Quote #846604 has been downgraded. |
13:20.53 | Fisker- | ah shit :E |
13:20.55 | Fisker- | wrong button |
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13:38.03 | Wobin | goddamnit |
13:38.08 | Wobin | you had to link bash.org |
13:40.03 | Fisker- | dun dun dun |
13:40.44 | doom0r | wtf, rogues went form like 3 usable skills to more than my pally can make use of |
13:42.53 | selckin | pally has like 4? |
13:43.10 | doom0r | bad ones, yes |
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13:44.50 | doom0r | even a bad BE ret paladin uses at least 6 |
13:45.41 | doom0r | time for sleep |
13:48.20 | Lywellyn | Wobin: I said those exact words last night. lol. |
14:04.04 | winkiller | wow, now I have to press more buttons to do less damage, cool |
14:07.55 | Xinhuan | less? you kidding me? |
14:08.30 | Xinhuan | prot pallies can do more damage than a weakly (in blues) geared mage now, especially in an instance where you 4-5 pull every pack |
14:08.44 | Xinhuan | consecration ticks 5k damage every sec easily (in total) |
14:09.35 | winkiller | I'm talkin bout rogues |
14:09.49 | winkiller | [14:40:34] (doom0r) wtf, rogues went form like 3 usable skills to more than my pally can make use of |
14:09.56 | selckin | Xinhuan: if the mage finds his aoe button |
14:10.22 | Xinhuan | hence i said weakly geared ;p |
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14:19.56 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach * r1831 / (7 files in 7 directories): |
14:19.59 | Repo | - Added missing pvp rewards (designs and deadly gladiator items) |
14:20.01 | Repo | - Added/Corrected Honor prices/Ratings |
14:20.03 | Repo | - Made a new sub-menu for the non-set epic page |
14:20.06 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach * r1832 Documentation/Release Notes.txt: - Update to the release notes |
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14:37.36 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach * r1834 Modules/WrathoftheLichKing/wrathofthelichking.lua: - Corrected Pattern: Glacial Bag to tailoring |
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14:45.24 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r72 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
14:45.27 | Repo | Changed to a better PPM calculator and fixed up a few things. |
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14:51.08 | ckknight | Torhal: pong |
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14:51.59 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: http://ace.pastey.net/105055 |
14:56.20 | Repo | 10buttonfacade: 03StormFX 043.0.3b1 * r195 : Tagging as 3.0.3b1 |
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14:56.44 | Repo | 10repheaderremember: 03stencil 04Release * r8 : Tagging as Release |
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15:28.17 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: which boss was that on? |
15:28.53 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: occolus I think, so it could be a littlewigs problem, too. just saw it in bugsack a few hours later |
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15:32.36 | ckknight | Diao has issues |
15:33.24 | thul | i hate sloppy software developers |
15:33.55 | Fisker- | like thul |
15:34.28 | thul | :-( |
15:35.02 | thul | when you promise that "that piece of software will be done in 2008", and it is not.. :-( |
15:35.06 | thul | what am i paying fooooro |
15:36.12 | Sunwind | was hoping someone could help me with an error i've been getting in naxx |
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15:36.19 | ckknight | you're paying for empty promises, thul |
15:37.24 | Sunwind | http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9100/wowscrnshot122608153412gu5.jpg |
15:37.28 | Sunwind | any ideas? |
15:37.36 | Sunwind | actually ckknight i'm glad your here, I think the problem may be Pitbull |
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15:37.42 | ckknight | ouch, Sunwind |
15:37.57 | ckknight | Sunwind: if so, realize I'm not going to fix PitBull3, but rather get PitBull4 working. |
15:38.15 | ckknight | so it'll be at least a few days before you can start using that in any event |
15:38.27 | Fisker- | how do you fix itchy balls? |
15:38.32 | Aiiane | .... |
15:38.50 | ckknight | Fisker-: baby powder |
15:38.54 | Sunwind | will I be able to get pitbull 4 looking like how my PB3 does there? |
15:39.00 | Fisker- | thanks :3 |
15:39.07 | ckknight | Sunwind: probably. |
15:39.15 | ckknight | Sunwind: also, a lot easier to config |
15:40.27 | Sunwind | so do you think my problem = pitbull? |
15:40.28 | ckknight | in any event, it's still not usable, minimum a few days out |
15:40.35 | ckknight | no, it might be something else |
15:40.41 | ckknight | granted, it could be pitbull |
15:40.45 | ckknight | the message isn't revealing. |
15:40.52 | Sunwind | I think it might be Recount gathering too much data, but pitbull is the only addon that really screws up when it happens |
15:41.27 | ckknight | btw, when reporting an error like that, first get BugGrabber and BugSack |
15:41.28 | ckknight | or Swatter |
15:41.44 | ckknight | Blizzard's error handling is quite unuseful for us |
15:43.43 | Sunwind | what one should I get? |
15:44.48 | Aiiane | doesn't really matter, they both provide the more detailed error reports that are actually helpful |
15:47.18 | Aiiane | the fact that recount does have over 24mb of data does seem a little excessive :P |
15:47.26 | Aiiane | you might try clearing its data a bit more often |
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15:56.00 | Fisker- | YOU DISSING BLIZZARD EH CKKNIGHT? |
15:56.03 | Fisker- | prepare to be boarded |
15:56.09 | ckknight | fuck Blizzard |
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15:56.24 | ckknight | thrusts his groin violently |
15:56.48 | Fisker- | gets in the line of fire |
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16:16.50 | selckin | what would you call the proces of approving/deny'ing a request? |
16:17.18 | Adys | what kind of request? |
16:17.35 | selckin | like, uhm say an order |
16:17.43 | Adys | approval? |
16:17.53 | Adys | consideration? |
16:18.51 | selckin | times like this i wish i was a ntive english speaker |
16:18.54 | selckin | all sound wierd to me |
16:19.05 | Adys | I'm not native english |
16:23.11 | Gnarfoz | giev more context |
16:23.15 | Gnarfoz | get better answers |
16:23.16 | Gnarfoz | :O |
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16:26.15 | Gnarfoz | @project ace3 |
16:26.16 | Repo | Gnarfoz: More than one project was returned. Try supplying a game. Possible games: war, wow. |
16:26.24 | Gnarfoz | @project ace3 wow |
16:26.25 | Repo | Gnarfoz: More than one project was returned. Try supplying a game. Possible games: war, wow. |
16:26.30 | Gnarfoz | @project wow ace3 |
16:26.31 | Repo | Gnarfoz: No project found that matches 'wow' |
16:26.33 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
16:26.36 | Gnarfoz | @project |
16:26.37 | Repo | Gnarfoz: (project <project> or <game>/<project>) -- Returns details about the project |
16:26.43 | Gnarfoz | @project wow/ace3 |
16:26.44 | Repo | Gnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace3/. Ace3. Game: WoW. Kaelten (Manager/Author), Nargiddley (Author), Ammo (Author), Antiarc (Author), Nevcairiel (Author/Maintainer), hyperactiveChipmunk (Author), mikk (Author). Updated: 7 days ago. Tickets: 7/13 |
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16:39.16 | Repo | 10grid: 03Pastamancer 07unitguid * r1089 GridStatusAuras.lua: Add Death Knights to the aura class-filter. |
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17:00.06 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r4875 Naxxramas/Thaddius.lua: BigWigs: Naxxramas/Thaddius: fixes :\ |
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17:29.56 | Elkano | Hohoho, Merry X-Mas from me :) |
17:31.38 | durcyn | are you jolly, Elkano |
17:32.39 | what`sthatsmell | curls up in durcyn's lap and goes to sleep |
17:36.12 | Repo | 10smartmount: 03akazik * r68 / (3 files in 2 directories): - added a missing library |
17:38.11 | chiper | wow http://vimeo.com/2625538 |
17:38.15 | chiper | simply wow |
17:38.45 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 6c40e9f / (9 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
17:38.48 | Repo | 6c40e9f: change the naming of some things, split things up some more for clarity. |
17:38.50 | Repo | 465e5f8: Move some functions around |
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18:07.24 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r506 / (4 files in 2 directories): frFR Update |
18:08.20 | Xinhuan | Diao |
18:09.22 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 7602a0d / (17 files in 3 directories): [+3 commits] |
18:09.25 | Repo | 7602a0d: Split up Options into its own sections, put it in its own folder |
18:09.27 | Repo | aebe4a2: Move some more things around |
18:09.30 | Repo | 0bebf73: move some files around, use XML instead of the TOC to load up files. |
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18:11.24 | Xinhuan | Diao |
18:11.31 | chiper | are there any mage gear sets that reduce frost nova cooldown? |
18:11.37 | chiper | or CoC |
18:11.39 | Xinhuan | no |
18:11.47 | Xinhuan | only talents can reduce them |
18:11.54 | Xinhuan | by 20% |
18:11.59 | chiper | darn, not even old world sets? |
18:12.06 | Xinhuan | nope |
18:12.13 | chiper | hrm |
18:13.22 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * d6ef615 / (8 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Move the module handling parts to its own folder |
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18:16.44 | ckknight | I'm gonna kickban Diao and then unban in 5 minutes |
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18:17.13 | ckknight | part of me thinks it's two machines fighting for the account |
18:17.23 | ckknight | but it could just be one with horrid connection issues |
18:17.30 | Arrowmaster | connection issues |
18:17.34 | ckknight | hrm... |
18:18.45 | what`sthatsmell | in ckknight's attic |
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18:20.15 | ckknight | ...lol |
18:20.20 | ckknight | I don't have an attic |
18:20.26 | ckknight | I keep the dead bodies in an old shed |
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18:28.19 | sztanpet | ooh pitbull4 is moving forward rapidly i see, any estimates? :D |
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18:29.34 | ckknight | sztanpet: my goal is for alpha testing on Sunday |
18:29.54 | ckknight | also when 3rd parties can start hacking on it |
18:30.08 | ckknight | though actually, if anyone feels like it, they can start making status bar or icon modules now |
18:31.05 | ckknight | both of which are very easy to do, actually :-P |
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18:33.51 | Saroz | I'm thinking of getting Grid :X |
18:34.11 | Aiiane | why wouldn't you get grid |
18:34.11 | ckknight | okay |
18:34.20 | ckknight | what's so controversial about that, Saroz? |
18:34.33 | Saroz | Cause I'm the author of sRaidFrames :S |
18:34.36 | Aiiane | grid is by far the most efficient solution for unit status out there :P |
18:34.37 | Saroz | but now I'm a tank, so |
18:35.10 | ckknight | hrm |
18:35.43 | Saroz | oh nice, Pitbull4 |
18:38.31 | ckknight | Saroz: yea, it's a full rewrite and I'm doing it a lot better this time around |
18:39.24 | Saroz | Nice nice, looking forward to seeing it |
18:41.53 | Saroz | Ace3 too ;) |
18:42.07 | ckknight | yea, I caved |
18:42.13 | Saroz | Good man |
18:42.22 | ckknight | I still think it sucks, don't get me wrong |
18:42.29 | ckknight | though overall my main gripe is lack of good docs |
18:42.38 | Saroz | Fixable |
18:42.41 | ckknight | but that just means I might write docs later. |
18:42.45 | ckknight | ... |
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18:42.46 | ckknight | :-P |
18:43.03 | Saroz | nice nice |
18:43.05 | ckknight | Saroz: absolutely everything is doc'd in PitBull4 |
18:44.30 | Aiiane | ckknight, writing documentation? the world is ending |
18:44.45 | ckknight | truth |
18:44.58 | ckknight | though actually all of Rock was documented, too |
18:45.00 | ckknight | at least the API |
18:45.06 | ckknight | the internal docs and comments weren't great |
18:46.52 | what`sthatsmell | pounces ckknight |
18:46.59 | ckknight | who is what`sthatsmell? |
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18:47.14 | ckknight | is it Groktar? |
18:47.32 | ckknight | or Fisker? |
18:47.53 | Aiiane | "Real name: flakums" |
18:47.53 | Arrowmaster | what`sthatsmell is signed on as account Groktar |
18:47.57 | Aiiane | :P |
18:48.14 | Arrowmaster | use a real irc client |
18:48.30 | Arrowmaster | and you would see the 'what`sthatsmell is signed on as account Groktar' when you whois them |
18:48.47 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 51ce0be / (10 files in 8 directories): [+5 commits] (1 truncated) |
18:48.49 | Repo | 51ce0be: remove StatusBarModule:SetColorFunction, now it's just assumed that :GetColor will be the method to call. Same for :SetValueFunction => :GetValue and IconModule:SetTextureFunction => :GetTexture. |
18:48.52 | Repo | f38e0a8: bugfix |
18:48.54 | ckknight | oh, I didn't bother to whois |
18:48.54 | Repo | bc419fc: have a set ordering for the layout editor |
18:48.57 | Repo | ed68d50: small optimization |
18:49.01 | Repo | 10satrina-buff-frame: 03Satrina * r104 / (22 files in 4 directories): hi there |
18:49.13 | Saroz | grrrr suddenly my Pitbull wont show up, complains about string variable 'addon' from LibRock |
18:49.28 | Saroz | http://ace.pastey.net/105063 |
18:49.32 | Saroz | quick solution plx |
18:49.39 | Repo | 10satrina-buff-frame: 03Satrina * r105 / (55 files in 9 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
18:49.43 | Repo | - Tweak to re-get buffs when a buff's time left reaches 0 |
18:49.45 | Repo | - ButtonFacade settings saved in SBF's saved vars |
18:49.48 | Repo | - Tweak timer and bar updates |
18:49.50 | Repo | - Add new zhCN and zhTW locale files |
18:50.08 | ckknight | why can't you index a string? |
18:50.23 | Saroz | your code |
18:50.45 | Repo | 10satrina-buff-frame: 03Satrina 043.0.7 * r106 : Tagging as 3.0.7 |
18:51.16 | Shirik | 14(1311:4811:4614) 14(1115Repo14) 10satrina-buff-frame: 03Satrina * r104 / (22 files in 4 directories): hi there |
18:51.22 | ckknight | Saroz: I know |
18:51.48 | ckknight | Saroz: my guess, it's a Rock library upgrade issue. do you run Rock standalone? |
18:51.53 | Saroz | no |
18:52.14 | Saroz | should I? |
18:53.43 | Saroz | that fixed it |
18:54.49 | ckknight | okay |
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18:58.53 | chiper | .me notices ck's commits. pitbull4? |
18:58.57 | chiper | doh |
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19:00.19 | ckknight | chiper: howdy |
19:00.45 | chiper | reading the description now. will fewer panels still allow for the same configurability? |
19:01.39 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 84c0e3c / (7 files in 6 directories): [+1 commit] split up the icon module's :GetTexture and :GetTexCoord functions. Pass in value to StatusBarModule:GetColor, in the case where you want to change color based on value (like health bar). |
19:01.47 | ckknight | chiper: yea. You can try it out now |
19:01.56 | ckknight | what's missing is party/raid frames and texts |
19:02.03 | ckknight | as well as assorted modules |
19:02.06 | chiper | I will do just that. are the settings independant from pitbull3? |
19:02.13 | ckknight | yea, separate addon |
19:02.16 | chiper | k |
19:02.24 | gix | there's grid anyway for party/raid! |
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19:02.55 | ckknight | hehe, gix |
19:03.17 | chiper | I'll see it in a few minutes I know, but does this version let me change offsets on individual bars? that's something I've recently decided I wanted to do :p |
19:03.43 | ckknight | chiper: it's still relatively positioned rather than absolute-positioned |
19:05.22 | chiper | I finally talked to the guy who made that funky stacked hp/mana bar I showed you last week. he used another addon to alter the bar placements |
19:05.31 | ckknight | ah |
19:06.33 | chiper | said he had to abandon it tho, because there was no way to make the mana bar reverse without also reversing the HP bar |
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19:07.39 | ckknight | :SetReverse(true) |
19:07.52 | ckknight | :-P |
19:08.45 | chiper | hmm, no portraits yet eh? |
19:09.02 | ckknight | it's missing a lot of modules |
19:09.06 | ckknight | one of which is portraits :-P |
19:09.13 | chiper | hehe |
19:09.21 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
19:10.17 | ckknight | which is something you could help out with ;-) |
19:10.17 | ckknight | hehe |
19:10.26 | chiper | so the idea is that instead of editing each frame independantly, you make layout sets which can be applied to any frame? |
19:10.30 | ckknight | well, maybe not portrait, cause I need to add extra stuff to it |
19:10.33 | ckknight | correct, chiper |
19:10.42 | ckknight | layouts are defined rather than ad-hoc |
19:10.53 | ckknight | though each unit classification can modify its layout |
19:11.05 | ckknight | such as flipping it, scaling (not yet in) |
19:11.42 | chiper | cool |
19:12.07 | ckknight | like, you'd probably want player and target to be the same layout |
19:12.16 | ckknight | except target flipped horizontally |
19:12.25 | chiper | *nod* |
19:12.25 | ckknight | so now it's freakishly easy to do |
19:13.17 | chiper | well, if you can do it, an ability to add offset values to each bar placement would make for a lot of versitility |
19:13.31 | ckknight | it's relatively positioned |
19:13.38 | ckknight | not absolute |
19:13.45 | ckknight | so that becomes near-impossible |
19:13.51 | chiper | hrm |
19:13.59 | ckknight | I mean, I could do things like let you specify spacing |
19:14.01 | ckknight | or things like that |
19:14.12 | chiper | what about padding? |
19:14.34 | ckknight | yea, that could be done |
19:14.38 | chiper | when you say relatively positioned, I immediately think of CSS |
19:14.47 | ckknight | sorta |
19:14.57 | ckknight | but basically, for PitBull, everything is inside the box |
19:15.02 | ckknight | and things are assigned a size |
19:15.11 | ckknight | and the sizes are relative to other things around it |
19:15.14 | ckknight | rather than any absolute value |
19:15.20 | ckknight | so health bar has a height of 2 |
19:15.27 | ckknight | not 50px or anything |
19:16.52 | chiper | ok, but isnt there an underlying manager that's interpreting that 2 into 50x? |
19:17.00 | ckknight | yes |
19:17.03 | ckknight | of course |
19:17.25 | ckknight | see the update_bar_layout function in UnitFrame.lua |
19:17.31 | chiper | is it possible to add an offset value which it just appends to that math? |
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19:18.11 | ckknight | theoretically, but it could fuck things up horribly and it wouldn't be nearly as fluid |
19:18.13 | ckknight | which is the issue |
19:18.17 | ckknight | you lose fluidity by doing that |
19:18.35 | chiper | k |
19:18.58 | chiper | well I suppose some kind of spacing or padding values would accomplish the same thing |
19:20.04 | ckknight | not really |
19:20.11 | ckknight | well, sorta |
19:20.15 | ckknight | but not as horribly |
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19:44.18 | doom0r | mm, great changelog note: Added Chinese support (credit: 饺å). |
19:44.32 | doom0r | displays as 4 chars on curse |
19:44.33 | doom0r | gg |
19:44.45 | Arrowmaster | where |
19:44.53 | doom0r | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/losecontrol/download/319360.aspx |
19:45.04 | Arrowmaster | 4 chars? |
19:45.05 | ckknight | yea, curse syncs unicode shittily |
19:45.16 | Shirik | ~dict shittily |
19:45.39 | Arrowmaster | should get that fixed |
19:45.40 | doom0r | purl, shittily is horribly done like shit |
19:45.41 | purl | doom0r: please, watch your language. |
19:45.53 | doom0r | ! |
19:45.55 | Shirik | ha |
19:46.02 | doom0r | lol |
19:46.04 | Shirik | besides, ~dict is not factoids |
19:46.05 | Arrowmaster | its not that hard to just make everything use utf8 |
19:46.20 | Shirik | ~dict goes to look up the word in an actual dictionary |
19:46.39 | sztanpet | wowace times out |
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19:47.02 | sztanpet | does wowace time out only for me |
19:47.08 | sztanpet | thats better |
19:47.20 | Shirik | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com |
19:48.58 | doom0r | Shirik: no, it's been doing it the past couple days in spurts |
19:49.19 | Shirik | (14:46:47) (sztanpet) does wowace time out only for me |
19:49.26 | Shirik | easy answer is that site |
19:49.43 | doom0r | yes, just there's a more direct answer available :P |
19:49.54 | what`sthatsmell | in doom0r's attic |
19:49.58 | Shirik | Your statement does not in any way adress his question |
19:50.04 | doom0r | fail groktard |
19:50.17 | Shirik | Except that it gives a reasoning it might be down |
19:50.57 | doom0r | sztanpet: no, it's been doing it the past couple days in spurts |
19:50.59 | doom0r | *fixed |
19:51.42 | doom0r | so... anyone have any experience with action slot saving mods? |
19:52.14 | doom0r | can't remember how far back someone in here was discussing them |
19:53.04 | sztanpet | thanks! |
19:55.21 | doom0r | also looking for input on heavy macro count solutions, macaroon + bt4, or does autobar have enough functionality to supplement bt4 for things like left click MH, rightclick OH poisons? |
19:55.49 | ckknight | everybody wait |
19:55.52 | ckknight | I'm pondering. |
19:55.57 | ckknight | ponders |
19:56.33 | ckknight | doom0r: we have a DB issue that neither Kaelten nor I can figure out |
19:56.44 | ckknight | that's why the site keeps seeming like it's going down |
19:56.48 | thul | and you do not ask me?! |
19:56.59 | ckknight | thul: you good with MySQL? |
19:57.14 | ckknight | doing an INSERT into files_file seems to lock up the whole thing, including unrelated tables |
19:57.18 | thul | ok, I'm not :/ just basic knowledge :-) |
19:57.27 | thul | but i can ask ergo and perbl : |
19:57.28 | thul | :-D |
19:58.03 | ckknight | files_file is MyISAM, no foreign keys, but it does have two indexes, one for status (an enum) and one for repository_id. |
19:58.10 | ckknight | it makes no sense that it would lock things up so badly |
19:58.16 | thul | hmm |
19:58.25 | ckknight | doing a "show full processlist", it seems to get stuck on the "update" state |
19:58.29 | ckknight | like, for minutes at a time |
19:58.47 | ckknight | it always ends eventually, but sometimes that's a few minutes, sometimes upwards of 20 minutes |
19:59.13 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 96337cc Modules/ (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] change background and highlight modules to make the control they create using the same casing as the module ID. |
19:59.21 | ckknight | let's see if I can catch it. |
19:59.50 | doom0r | my only input is: http://xkcd.com/327/ |
20:00.33 | ckknight | yea, it's going 20 seconds now |
20:00.47 | ckknight | doom0r: nah, we don't have any issues like that |
20:01.09 | ckknight | okay, that one was about 30 seconds of locking everything up |
20:01.09 | ckknight | but still |
20:08.30 | Saroz | oRA:HasModule("OptionalCooldown") is there a way to check if it's enabled? |
20:09.09 | ckknight | Shefki: you here? |
20:09.56 | Zhinjio | rubs sleep from his eyes. |
20:10.01 | Zhinjio | g'mornin' |
20:10.08 | doom0r | hola |
20:10.30 | doom0r | ~seen toadkiller |
20:10.33 | purl | toadkiller <n=dnester@adsl-99-188-166-150.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6d 19h 57m ago, saying: 'Also get a tabard and start doing dailies for something else'. |
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20:14.11 | Elkano | morning and merry X-mas Zhinjio :) |
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20:16.24 | Zhinjio | Frohe Weinachten, Elkano! |
20:17.40 | ckknight | Happy Festivus, everyone |
20:17.43 | Zhinjio | und Herzlichen Glueckwuenschen fuer die neues Jahr |
20:17.45 | Zhinjio | bah |
20:17.48 | ckknight | are we all ready for the Airing of Grievances? |
20:17.51 | Zhinjio | I bet I mixed up genders on that |
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20:18.15 | doom0r | ckknight: tech support? |
20:18.28 | ckknight | doom0r: it's a Festivus tradition |
20:18.31 | ckknight | Zhinjio: your name makes me think that you're Asian, even though you're not. |
20:18.41 | Zhinjio | decidedly not. |
20:18.44 | Zhinjio | I know. |
20:18.46 | doom0r | agrees |
20:18.56 | ckknight | I actually don't know what you are |
20:18.57 | Zhinjio | I got lots of "ni hao" from goldfarmers as well |
20:19.01 | ckknight | but I know you live in America |
20:19.01 | Zhinjio | austrian |
20:19.05 | ckknight | or do you? |
20:19.08 | Zhinjio | born in vienna |
20:19.12 | Zhinjio | live in colorado |
20:19.15 | ckknight | that's right |
20:19.18 | Zhinjio | lived in the US most of my life |
20:19.32 | ckknight | you looked brown in your daughter's baby pics, though |
20:19.37 | ckknight | so I was like *shrug* |
20:20.10 | Torhal | twitches. |
20:21.05 | ckknight | yea, okay, I'm done airing my grievances for now |
20:22.06 | thul | hugs ckknight |
20:22.13 | ckknight | hehe |
20:22.26 | digmouse | ..... actually, "Chinese = goldfarmer" = fail |
20:22.35 | ckknight | hehe |
20:22.42 | Fisker- | SQUEAL LIKE A PIG |
20:22.44 | ckknight | fail = truth? |
20:22.44 | Fisker- | hits digmouse |
20:22.56 | doom0r | ya, Zhinjio definitely has darkish skin |
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20:23.06 | digmouse | dies |
20:23.22 | thul | well, I think you have not hugged me even close to enough this year ckknight |
20:23.29 | thul | and you Fisker-, WHERE ARE MY BLOWJOBS?! |
20:23.35 | thul | and i never got angelina jolie on my doorstep |
20:23.36 | ckknight | gives thul a non-homosexual pat on the back |
20:23.44 | thul | :-D |
20:23.49 | ckknight | lol |
20:25.02 | Repo | 10cooldown-timers2: 03digmouse * r116 / (7 files in 2 directories): CooldownTimers2: |
20:25.04 | Repo | -toc bump to 30000 |
20:25.06 | Repo | -add some new shared cooldown abilities |
20:25.09 | Repo | -little capablity tuning up for 3.0 changes |
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20:26.45 | Zhinjio | I do? |
20:26.50 | Zhinjio | I think its just lighting |
20:26.56 | digmouse | what should I do if I wanna take over this project? |
20:26.59 | Zhinjio | I'm as white as they come |
20:27.06 | digmouse | cant get its authors now |
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20:28.06 | Zhinjio | I don't even tan well |
20:28.15 | Zhinjio | well, not without alot of work |
20:28.27 | Torhal | But do you add secure frame support to addons well? |
20:28.31 | Torhal | :D |
20:28.41 | Zhinjio | hides. |
20:29.09 | ckknight | Zhinjio: link me your daughter's blog again |
20:29.59 | Zhinjio | babyblog.trippy.org |
20:31.03 | ckknight | yea, this one: http://babyblog.trippy.org/?page_id=25&g2_itemId=83 |
20:31.16 | ckknight | or the one right before it |
20:31.25 | ckknight | yea, I can see how you're white now |
20:31.28 | ckknight | I guess that makes sense |
20:31.47 | ckknight | cracker: http://babyblog.trippy.org/?page_id=25&g2_itemId=104 |
20:31.55 | durcyn | hey man, that's racialist. |
20:31.56 | ckknight | alright, I'm done |
20:31.58 | Zhinjio | heh |
20:33.21 | ckknight | lol |
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20:33.45 | ckknight | I knew an Asian guy who looked a lot like him in that first shot |
20:34.03 | ckknight | that entrenched even more ideas about his Asian heritage |
20:34.27 | digmouse | ck: what should I do if I wanna take over an outdated project but unable to contact the original manager? |
20:34.45 | ckknight | digmouse: how hard have you tried to contact them and for how long? |
20:35.14 | digmouse | since 2.4, failed lots of times on Yahoo messenger |
20:35.42 | ckknight | you plan to just maintain it or lead development? |
20:35.53 | digmouse | and sorren who updated it for sometime quit wow |
20:35.59 | digmouse | maybe just maintain |
20:36.15 | Zhinjio | I need help from someone who runs a high level warlock and can (or already does) use HitCrit |
20:36.26 | Zhinjio | the guy who reported this bug is a tard, apparently |
20:36.27 | ckknight | @project cooldown-timers2 |
20:36.28 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/projects/cooldown-timers2/. CooldownTimers2. Game: WoW. Status: Out of date. Imported from wowace SVN project CooldownTimers2. digmouse (Manager/Maintainer), Sorren (Author), Speeddymon (Author). Updated: 88 days ago |
20:36.30 | digmouse | a lead development may take me a while to learn some coding ability |
20:36.32 | Torhal | Zhinjio: My main is a Warlock. |
20:36.56 | Zhinjio | can you please read the comments on this: http://www.wowace.com/projects/broker-hitcrit/tickets/15-warlock-shadowfury/ |
20:37.01 | Zhinjio | tell me what the hell spell he means |
20:37.03 | digmouse | thanks ck |
20:37.43 | Zhinjio | ah, I think it is Shadowflame |
20:37.54 | Zhinjio | I don't have that spell on my lower level lock, adn can't test it |
20:38.19 | Torhal | Zhinjio: I don't have it either, I'm Fire Destruction-specced |
20:38.21 | ckknight | digmouse: don't remove the other authors, out of courtesy |
20:38.24 | Zhinjio | its another spell with 2 effects |
20:38.28 | ckknight | digmouse: at least ... for a while |
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20:39.01 | digmouse | ck: I wont, if speedy or sorren returns I'll surely return back to them |
20:39.31 | ckknight | at that point it can be reassessed |
20:40.13 | Zhinjio | so its granted by a talent? Hmm. lemme see if I can figure out at what level |
20:40.19 | Zhinjio | 75 |
20:40.21 | Zhinjio | learned |
20:40.28 | Zhinjio | are you 75 yet Torhal? |
20:41.23 | ckknight | if anyone cares about PitBull4, it will _not_ depend on LibDogTag-3.0. Support for that will be in a module. |
20:41.50 | nevcairiel | I guess it will have some simpler tags for HP and the like, then? |
20:42.19 | ckknight | nevcairiel: well, I'll probably also make a LuaTexts module |
20:42.28 | ckknight | which will be raw lua that's loadstring'd |
20:42.40 | ckknight | not sure yet |
20:42.53 | ckknight | the point is that you'll be able to run it without DogTag if you want |
20:43.31 | ckknight | or theoretically if I release a new version of DogTag that's incompatible, you could run the old version |
20:43.32 | ckknight | or whatever |
20:43.46 | nevcairiel | thats always nice |
20:44.15 | ckknight | or you could write your own text provider |
20:44.24 | ckknight | it should be easy enough to do that |
20:44.42 | ckknight | implement a method :HandleFontString(font_string, db) |
20:44.55 | Arrowmaster | Zhinjio: sec i can test it |
20:45.24 | Zhinjio | I just need a combatlog with it being used |
20:45.31 | Zhinjio | don't even need to run the addon |
20:45.35 | Zhinjio | so I can get spellids and the liek |
20:45.37 | Zhinjio | like |
20:45.48 | nevcairiel | what class do you need? |
20:45.51 | Zhinjio | warlock |
20:45.53 | nevcairiel | i missed half the convo |
20:46.00 | Zhinjio | using ... uh, shadowflame |
20:46.02 | durcyn | i might have it in a recent combat log, zhinjio, one sec |
20:46.04 | nevcairiel | damn still 72 on that =P |
20:46.05 | Zhinjio | it has two spell effects |
20:46.13 | Zhinjio | yeah, learned at level 75 |
20:46.15 | nevcairiel | i need to level my lock more |
20:46.29 | durcyn | yeah, here we go |
20:46.33 | durcyn | 12/24 00:12:47.581 SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0000000000F011B1,"Durcyn",0x511,0xF1300077B30039BA,"Lava Blaze",0xa48,61290,"Shadowflame",0x20,1212,0,32,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil |
20:46.36 | durcyn | 12/24 00:12:48.012 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000F011B1,"Durcyn",0x511,0xF1300077B30039BA,"Lava Blaze",0xa48,61291,"Shadowflame",0x4,DEBUFF |
20:46.39 | durcyn | 12/24 00:12:49.918 SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0000000000F011B1,"Durcyn",0x511,0xF1300077B30039BA,"Lava Blaze",0x10a48,61291,"Shadowflame",0x4,350,0,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil |
20:46.47 | Zhinjio | I have a guildie looking too, but he's a tard, and it'll take him time just to figure out how to turn logging on |
20:46.51 | durcyn | the dd is 61290 and the dot is 61291 |
20:46.59 | Zhinjio | bingo |
20:47.53 | Zhinjio | yup, that 'splains it |
20:47.56 | Zhinjio | thanks so much |
20:48.05 | Arrowmaster | what was the problem? |
20:48.20 | Zhinjio | the aura applied after has the same spell name (but different id) |
20:48.28 | Zhinjio | so it thinks its a downrank of the same spell |
20:48.30 | Zhinjio | (which it isn't) |
20:48.40 | ckknight | yea, I'm gonna make it so that if you have the DogTagTexts module disabled, it won't even try to load the library (if you're running nolib) |
20:48.45 | Zhinjio | so that kind of whacks hitcrit's logic |
20:48.50 | Zhinjio | I need to throw it in the exceptions list |
20:48.56 | Zhinjio | lifebloom is the best example of that |
20:49.00 | Zhinjio | but this one would break it to |
20:49.01 | Zhinjio | too |
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20:53.25 | Repo | 10gem-helper: 03Xinhuan * r68 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
20:53.28 | Repo | Add data for WotLK rare quality gems. Fix Enchanted Pearl and Siren's Tear. |
20:54.17 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03TrAsHeR * r1835 Locales/constants.fr.lua: frFR update |
20:55.11 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03TrAsHeR * r1836 Locales/constants.fr.lua: frFR update |
20:57.34 | Torhal | Zhinjio: 78 actually |
20:59.21 | Torhal | And I don't have a point in Shadowfury |
20:59.41 | Zhinjio | its shadowflame... and durcyn got it for me. |
20:59.42 | Zhinjio | thanks tho |
21:00.08 | Torhal | Ah, ok. Because the ticket says Shadowflame :) |
21:00.12 | Torhal | Ericpeeg, fury |
21:00.19 | Torhal | Ericpeeg, fury |
21:00.23 | Torhal | I fail at typing. |
21:00.24 | Zhinjio | yeah, he corrected himself in comments |
21:00.32 | Zhinjio | I tested shadowfury, and that one worked fine |
21:02.13 | Groktar | seriously, fuck fresno state |
21:02.35 | Groktar | my ap calculus in high school was supposed to cover the math requirement |
21:02.46 | Groktar | and i took 2 years off, and now it doesn't anymore |
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21:03.17 | Groktar | oh, i also took math 76, which is 2nd semester calc |
21:03.31 | Groktar | anyway, after talking to them i need to take 75 |
21:03.34 | Groktar | here's the best part |
21:03.38 | Groktar | i try to register for it |
21:03.59 | Groktar | and it won't let me because i need to take a precalc evaluation to make sure i'm ready! |
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21:04.19 | Repo | 10cooldown-timers2: 03digmouse 042.5.1 alpha * r117 : Tagging as 2.5.1 alpha |
21:04.37 | Arrowmaster | Groktar: do they let you test out of classes? |
21:05.00 | Groktar | yeah |
21:05.05 | Repo | 10revelation: 03Torhal * r3 / (13 files in 5 directories): Initial commit. |
21:05.09 | Groktar | i need to register for the class first |
21:05.17 | Groktar | and then talk to the professor |
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21:11.12 | Jeebus | damn, taken |
21:12.49 | Repo | 10revelation: 03Torhal * r4 / (4 files in 2 directories): Added LibStub to Libs, modified embeds.xml and TOC |
21:15.18 | Repo | 10revelation: 03Torhal 043.0.3-1.0.0-beta * r5 : Tagging as 3.0.3-1.0.0-beta |
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21:20.31 | Shefki | ckknight: What's up? |
21:21.21 | ckknight | (see pm) |
21:24.34 | fewyn | http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/study_female_mmo_gamers_five_times_more_likely_be_bisexual |
21:25.12 | exor674 | lsb end |
21:25.33 | Groktar | According to no less than 2,400 completed web-based surveys, females account for 40 percent of the EQ II gaming community. |
21:25.45 | Groktar | web based |
21:25.52 | Groktar | girls don't play mmos |
21:25.53 | Groktar | duh |
21:26.15 | sacarasc | i know one that does! :o |
21:27.09 | Groktar | look very closely at *her* neck |
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21:29.07 | ckknight | the two girls I dated who played WoW were bi |
21:29.21 | Shefki | >.> |
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21:30.00 | nevcairiel | all girls i know that play wow are pure straight |
21:30.08 | Torhal | If I type && or != one more time in Lua, I'mma kill myself. |
21:30.11 | Shefki | Same. |
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21:30.36 | nevcairiel | Torhal: you know whats even worse, if you start typing "and" "or" in C |
21:30.44 | nevcairiel | i should macro those to be && || |
21:30.45 | kenlyric | ckknight: no longer dating a girl who plays wow? |
21:30.53 | Torhal | Ugh |
21:30.54 | ckknight | I'm not dating anyone currently |
21:30.55 | Shefki | I was doing some work in perl last night and kept trying to use then and end for if blocks. |
21:31.03 | kenlyric | awww :( |
21:31.31 | nevcairiel | however, ~= haunts me in C =P |
21:31.37 | nevcairiel | too much lua |
21:31.55 | Torhal | Yah, no way to macro that one. |
21:32.16 | nevcairiel | its actually a valid operand in C |
21:32.22 | nevcairiel | just not in the places you place it |
21:32.25 | Torhal | Aye |
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21:32.52 | Shefki | If I ever find the person who came up with ~= for not I will happily smack them up good. |
21:33.15 | doom0r | fewyn: web-based survey offers no control factor |
21:34.00 | Torhal | Especially since != is ingrained in every programmer. |
21:34.14 | nevcairiel | yeah |
21:34.17 | doom0r | i don't even code worth a damn and i use != |
21:34.22 | nevcairiel | wonder if some lua tech doc explains the history |
21:34.37 | ckknight | Shefki: it's cause Lua was invented in Brazil and the Portuguese keyboards have ~ much easier to reach than ! |
21:34.57 | nevcairiel | thats a dumb reason |
21:35.00 | nevcairiel | =P |
21:35.01 | ckknight | Torhal: erlang's â is /= |
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21:35.16 | Shefki | Yeah well ~ means approximately. |
21:35.20 | Shefki | So it's a horrible design. |
21:35.23 | ckknight | â means approximately |
21:35.29 | ckknight | but yea. |
21:35.43 | nevcairiel | you still write ~5 |
21:35.48 | ckknight | â5 |
21:35.57 | nevcairiel | depends on context =P |
21:36.02 | ckknight | shrugs |
21:36.15 | ckknight | I don't like how lua's â is ~= |
21:36.18 | ckknight | that's all |
21:36.56 | ckknight | ~5 is binary negation in C, I thought |
21:36.57 | purl | ...but 5 is already something else... |
21:37.02 | nevcairiel | it is |
21:37.02 | Shefki | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde |
21:37.03 | ckknight | ~5 = 6 |
21:37.05 | ckknight | err |
21:37.08 | ckknight | ~5 = -6 |
21:37.17 | sacarasc | ~5 |
21:37.17 | purl | 5 is a number, silly |
21:37.29 | sacarasc | makes sense to me |
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21:38.53 | Shefki | 1.902 ~= 2 is fairly common usage to mean 1.902 is approximately equal to 2. I hate myself everytime I use ~= to mean not in lua. |
21:39.18 | nevcairiel | i got used to it |
21:39.59 | ckknight | clearly, we should just use â |
21:40.25 | Shefki | To be perfectly honest I don't really like lua. It's not so much designed as thrown together and it shows. |
21:40.54 | ckknight | hey, I don't like lua either |
21:41.00 | ckknight | I constantly bitch about things I miss in other languages |
21:41.01 | ckknight | :-P |
21:41.10 | ckknight | fuck you, global by default |
21:41.30 | ckknight | (and so forth) |
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21:42.35 | Shefki | I don't really mind global by default. What I despise is the design of tables. Look it's an array, Look it's a hash, no it's a lua table. No way to be sure what it is. And the module named "table" assumes everything is an array. |
21:42.37 | nevcairiel | i actually like Lua |
21:42.51 | nevcairiel | the simplicity of the language is nice |
21:43.11 | nevcairiel | and the flexible tables are rather nice to use |
21:43.16 | nevcairiel | imho |
21:43.28 | ckknight | I miss a proper OO framework |
21:43.33 | ckknight | and/or functional framework |
21:43.42 | Shefki | Really table should be general use table code. array should be a set of functions that assumes the table is an array. hash should be a set of functions that work on a hash. |
21:43.54 | ckknight | and some things where you try to fake it are just horribly inefficient in lua |
21:44.01 | Shefki | They did that I'd be a lot less grumpy about the whole table design. |
21:44.12 | ckknight | I miss a proper type system |
21:44.18 | ckknight | rather than "everything is a table lulz" |
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21:44.41 | ckknight | I don't like colon syntax compared to implicit self |
21:44.58 | Hjalte | Can anyone link me the url to the latest CC alpha build? |
21:45.02 | Torhal | ZOMG, I brok0rz the wowace! |
21:45.14 | doom0r | it seems like somebody wanted to marry scheme and python and went about it hastily |
21:45.34 | ckknight | doom0r: that's not lua. I wish it was closer to that. |
21:45.47 | nevcairiel | ckknight: not every language has to be OO or functional =P |
21:45.55 | nevcairiel | I am a ANSI-C guy |
21:45.57 | Torhal | At least TYPED. |
21:45.58 | nevcairiel | whats OO? =P |
21:46.00 | ckknight | I agree, nevcairiel, but I like it that way |
21:46.09 | ckknight | at least C has structs! |
21:46.32 | ckknight | I would love at least structs in lua |
21:46.33 | nevcairiel | you can use hash tables as structs just fine |
21:46.36 | Torhal | continue |
21:46.48 | Torhal | switch (debatable, though) |
21:46.49 | nevcairiel | continue is evil goto programming! |
21:46.50 | nevcairiel | ;) |
21:46.58 | ckknight | nevcairiel: yea, so is break and return. |
21:47.21 | Shefki | I wish lua had implicit retuurns. |
21:47.25 | Shefki | returns* |
21:47.28 | ckknight | same here, Shefki |
21:47.30 | ckknight | I miss those from ruby |
21:47.30 | Shefki | But that's just me being lazy. |
21:47.38 | nevcairiel | thats why i teach the C students only to ever use one return per function |
21:47.41 | Elkano | <3 break :( |
21:47.43 | nevcairiel | and carry the return value |
21:48.08 | ckknight | if statements are just complex gotos. |
21:48.31 | nevcairiel | well but a downward goto |
21:48.31 | Torhal | Though, I must admit that Lua is better than line BASIC. |
21:48.45 | Torhal | Or MUSHcode. |
21:48.57 | Elkano | but BASIC was fun, too... started with taht on an Atari400 ^^ |
21:49.00 | nevcairiel | continue basically jumps upwards |
21:49.01 | Torhal | And did I mention that wowace.com is broken again? |
21:49.02 | ckknight | nevcairiel: continue is a downward goto to the end of the for loop |
21:49.07 | ckknight | Torhal: yea, you did |
21:49.21 | Torhal | Ok, just wondering if you thought I was being silly :) |
21:49.41 | ckknight | goddammit |
21:49.48 | nevcairiel | Ever worked in pure assembler? |
21:49.48 | ckknight | INSERT INTO files_filekey (file_id, `key`, top_level) VALUES (319483, 'CooldownTimers2.toc', 1) |
21:49.53 | ckknight | that's what's locking it |
21:50.03 | ckknight | it has one index on file_id |
21:50.09 | Torhal | Delete CooldownTimers2! |
21:50.11 | Torhal | :D |
21:50.12 | ckknight | as well as a primary auto-incrementing id |
21:50.20 | ckknight | why would that fuck it up so bad? |
21:50.33 | nevcairiel | file_id the auto increment? |
21:50.54 | nevcairiel | or a seperate field? |
21:51.01 | ckknight | id is the auto increment |
21:51.08 | ckknight | file_id has an index, though |
21:51.16 | ckknight | (not a foreign key, though) |
21:51.18 | nevcairiel | that shouldnt matter |
21:51.20 | ckknight | this is MYISAM |
21:51.22 | ckknight | MyISAM* |
21:51.30 | nevcairiel | you dont run 5.1 by any chance? =P |
21:51.40 | ckknight | I believe we're 5.0 |
21:51.42 | ckknight | lemme double-check |
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21:51.56 | nevcairiel | the 5.1 GA release has some bugs that can cause lockups |
21:52.04 | ckknight | mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.45, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.2 |
21:52.27 | ckknight | err |
21:52.27 | ckknight | mysqld Ver 5.0.45-Debian_1ubuntu3.3-log for pc-linux-gnu on i486 (Debian etch distribution) |
21:53.00 | renchap | ckknight: postgresql > mysql |
21:53.03 | renchap | really :) |
21:53.05 | nevcairiel | run a repair on the table? |
21:53.14 | ckknight | renchap: no rebuttal |
21:53.36 | renchap | rebuttal ? |
21:53.44 | ckknight | renchap: I much prefer postgresql |
21:53.50 | nevcairiel | I only ever worked with MySQL and Oracle |
21:53.56 | nevcairiel | and i can tell you, oracle > mysql =P |
21:54.12 | renchap | i use mysql at work |
21:54.14 | ckknight | repaired files_filekey |
21:54.17 | renchap | 1 master, 6 slaves |
21:54.18 | ckknight | and I'm repairing files_file now |
21:54.28 | renchap | about one or 2 tables borken each week |
21:54.34 | ckknight | someone commit or upload a file. |
21:54.46 | ckknight | eh, I will |
21:54.47 | nevcairiel | Do you have optimize/repair scheduled once per week or even more often? |
21:55.23 | ckknight | nope, I set up optimize to run weekly yesterday, though |
21:55.26 | ckknight | I'll have it to repair as well |
21:55.29 | ckknight | do* |
21:55.36 | renchap | that is dangerous |
21:55.41 | renchap | because it locks tables |
21:55.49 | renchap | and can left them in broken state |
21:55.57 | ckknight | what do you suggest? |
21:56.05 | ckknight | I'm flying by the seat of my pants here |
21:56.19 | Repo | 10test-alpha: 03ckknight * r68 TestAlpha.lua: Blah! |
21:56.33 | renchap | find why your tables are broken |
21:56.44 | ckknight | how can I do this? |
21:56.52 | renchap | lot of luck :) |
21:56.57 | ckknight | le sigh |
21:57.09 | renchap | try to compile your own mysql version |
21:57.14 | renchap | with latest 5.0 stable |
21:57.18 | ckknight | well, TestAlpha uploaded without lagging anything |
21:57.23 | ckknight | I think it might be fixed... |
21:57.25 | renchap | it fixes some wierd corruptions for me |
21:57.29 | ckknight | hrm |
21:57.37 | nevcairiel | you can schedule some weekly maintenance and disable the pages for ~10 minutes, completly lock the tables, then optimize/repair |
21:57.46 | renchap | you can also add a weekly check of tables |
21:57.56 | renchap | only check, not repair |
21:58.04 | renchap | and email you the borken tables |
21:58.32 | nevcairiel | Man i know why i mostly dont do webdev anymore |
21:58.33 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
21:58.34 | Shefki | ^ lawl |
21:58.41 | nevcairiel | ~wowspell 53849 |
21:58.42 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53849 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=53849 |
21:58.48 | renchap | nevcairiel: that is not a webdev problem |
21:58.49 | ckknight | renchap: might be an idea. |
21:58.55 | renchap | but a bad software problem |
21:59.03 | renchap | seriously, use postgresql :) |
21:59.12 | nevcairiel | renchap: on non-webdev you usally have proper downtimes of the apps where you can do maintenance |
21:59.18 | nevcairiel | like, noone works when the company is closed! |
21:59.39 | renchap | my company have offices in europe, us and asia |
21:59.40 | ckknight | renchap: I wish I could make that decision |
21:59.55 | renchap | pretty hard to plan downtimes |
21:59.58 | nevcairiel | renchap: weekends? =P |
22:00.22 | renchap | editors works during the weekend |
22:00.26 | nevcairiel | meh besides, i try to avoid any sysadmin work if possible |
22:00.27 | ckknight | actually downtime would be during weekdays for us, when people are hobby coding least |
22:00.29 | nevcairiel | i just write the apps |
22:00.37 | Shefki | I get the impression that mysql is starting to be destroyed by Sun. |
22:00.37 | renchap | i am a sysadmin :) |
22:00.51 | durcyn | mysql sucked before sun ever touched it |
22:00.57 | ckknight | postgres ftw |
22:00.57 | nevcairiel | Shefki: it is. 5.1 was totally rushed out the door with fatal bugs |
22:01.06 | renchap | look at blog posts about mysql 5.1 release |
22:01.06 | pastamancer | mysiam has always been a joke |
22:01.14 | Shefki | Yeah I'm a big postgresql fan. |
22:01.21 | pastamancer | from what I've heard 5.1 is a disaster |
22:01.36 | JY` | oracle ! |
22:01.39 | Shefki | The only problem I've found though is that everyone writes to mysql so using postgresql tends to run you into bugs where sommeone assumed mysql. |
22:01.45 | nevcairiel | If you can afford it, get oracle |
22:01.46 | nevcairiel | if you cant |
22:01.49 | nevcairiel | get postgres |
22:01.51 | renchap | ckknight: you should be happy, you dont use master/slave |
22:01.58 | ckknight | renchap: anymore |
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22:02.01 | nevcairiel | mysql master/slave is just a joke =P |
22:02.12 | renchap | it is a pain |
22:02.15 | Shefki | As someone who wrote code to the raw oracle api. I'm never using that piece of junk ever again. |
22:02.18 | nevcairiel | renchap: do you use the slaves for selects only, or even inserts? |
22:02.21 | ckknight | nevcairiel: the reason we use mysql is because of the easy master/slave setup |
22:02.24 | ckknight | despite not using one anymore |
22:02.32 | renchap | selects only |
22:02.42 | renchap | we use master/slave, not master/master |
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22:03.03 | JY` | get oracle AND an oracle DBA |
22:03.08 | renchap | we plan to use 2 servers with master/master replications, one on each of our datacenters |
22:03.16 | JY` | should be packaged with |
22:03.18 | renchap | but it causes many problems |
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22:03.35 | Shefki | JY`: Got money coming out your ears? |
22:03.40 | nevcairiel | master/master can get you in serious trouble |
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22:03.50 | renchap | yup |
22:03.51 | JY` | Shefki: i had a good Xmas |
22:03.51 | nevcairiel | desyncs screw with insert ids |
22:03.53 | nevcairiel | and whatever |
22:04.06 | renchap | we already have desyncs with master/slaves |
22:04.17 | renchap | sometimes a slave forget to insert some rows |
22:04.21 | renchap | very funny |
22:04.38 | renchap | now we have a cron that select count(*) on each table, and checks all is ok |
22:04.44 | nevcairiel | heh |
22:05.12 | renchap | and when there is a problem... shutdown the slave, shutdown another slave, resync data, restart slaves |
22:05.25 | renchap | mysql way to replicate :) |
22:05.41 | JY` | when oracle is out of sync |
22:05.43 | JY` | just rsync |
22:07.47 | Primer | mysql replication is a joke |
22:08.02 | Groktar | feasts on Primer's blood |
22:08.20 | Primer | <-- oracle DBA |
22:08.30 | Primer | disembowels Groktar |
22:09.13 | Groktar | randomly deletes columns in Primer's tables |
22:09.33 | Primer | I actually maintain an oracle standby using rsync |
22:09.38 | renchap | randomly executes TRUNCATE in Groktar brain |
22:09.54 | Primer | just push the logs over and rman> recover database; |
22:10.00 | JY` | :) |
22:10.15 | renchap | postgresql works a little like that |
22:10.21 | renchap | with wall shipping |
22:10.27 | Primer | wal |
22:10.32 | renchap | yes |
22:10.41 | Primer | <-- Postgressql DBA |
22:10.42 | renchap | but it ensures integrity in the cluster |
22:10.48 | renchap | mysql ensure... nothing |
22:11.04 | ckknight | Primer: only one s |
22:11.08 | Primer | slony is pretty robust on postgresl now |
22:11.20 | Primer | yes, I'm tired |
22:11.26 | renchap | ckknight: why are you using mysql ? |
22:11.41 | renchap | you are not the sysadmin for your servers ? |
22:11.52 | ckknight | Kaelten is, technically |
22:12.00 | ckknight | I tell him that MySQL sucks |
22:12.14 | ckknight | we're using MySQL because of the easy master/slave stuff, which we no longer use anymore |
22:12.19 | renchap | let him handle these mysql locks, bugs and dataloss |
22:12.19 | ckknight | it's a carry-over from the old curse.com |
22:12.27 | renchap | after some months he will switch :) |
22:12.29 | ckknight | he's on vacation for 2 weeks |
22:12.36 | ckknight | maybe I should switch without telling him |
22:12.39 | ckknight | that could be fun. |
22:12.43 | renchap | is the code db agnostic ? |
22:12.48 | ckknight | renchap: 99% |
22:13.09 | renchap | thats cool |
22:13.24 | renchap | at work, the code is made for mysql |
22:13.34 | renchap | using secret features and all that stuff |
22:13.38 | Primer | hahah mysql code db agnostic!?!? HAHAHA |
22:13.40 | Primer | good one |
22:13.57 | Primer | even oracle is more sql compliant |
22:14.24 | ckknight | Primer: we use SQLAlchemy |
22:14.31 | ckknight | hardly any code is raw SQL |
22:14.35 | Primer | granted, oracle didn't get JOIN syntax til 9 |
22:15.38 | ckknight | before that it was select * from a, b where a.id = b.thing_id? |
22:15.41 | Primer | Anyone know of a free video cap program for windows? |
22:15.53 | Primer | don't forget (+) |
22:16.05 | ckknight | ? |
22:16.12 | renchap | ckknight: is sqlalchemy like activerecord ? |
22:16.12 | Primer | select * from a, b where a.id = b.id (+) <-- left join |
22:16.39 | ckknight | renchap: similar, though it's closer to DataMapper in Ruby terms |
22:16.52 | ckknight | Primer: ah. |
22:17.16 | renchap | it is on my todo list to check another ruby orm |
22:17.30 | renchap | i think i will wait rails 3 now :) |
22:17.34 | ckknight | renchap: well, in Rails 3.0, DataMapper and Sequel will work great! |
22:17.34 | ckknight | :-P |
22:17.36 | ckknight | hehe |
22:17.48 | ckknight | I do prefer DataMapper over ActiveRecord |
22:17.50 | ckknight | cleaner |
22:18.00 | renchap | i started rails 1 month ago |
22:18.02 | ckknight | and a bit more efficient if you ask me |
22:18.04 | ckknight | ah, okay |
22:18.14 | ckknight | I did some rails work before I was hired for curseforge |
22:18.16 | renchap | but i use php for 6 or 7 years |
22:18.23 | ckknight | okay, you need a mind wipe |
22:18.28 | renchap | i think i will never use php again :) |
22:18.29 | ckknight | then you'll be good |
22:18.31 | ckknight | hehe |
22:18.42 | renchap | iam trying to find a RoR/sysadmin job |
22:18.51 | nevcairiel | I never liked Rails |
22:18.55 | nevcairiel | its too big |
22:18.59 | ckknight | I'm a big fan of Merb |
22:19.09 | renchap | i have an interview for a sysadmin job in the biggest french rails based website |
22:19.11 | ckknight | nevcairiel: Merb is like Rails without all the shit |
22:19.30 | ckknight | nevcairiel: and Rails 3 = Merb 2, they're porting over all the good code and agnosticism |
22:19.37 | ckknight | so Rails as it stands is pretty bloated |
22:19.42 | ckknight | but it will be far less in Rails 3 |
22:19.48 | nevcairiel | As mentioned earlier, i'm a C guy, so i like full control .. Rails kinda took that away |
22:19.54 | renchap | i also want to see rails with high traffic |
22:20.04 | Primer | rails doesn't scale |
22:20.11 | ckknight | Primer: that's a fallacy |
22:20.16 | renchap | currently at work we display about 10 million pages/day |
22:20.17 | ckknight | Primer: there are ways to make it scale |
22:20.18 | Primer | at least, from all the anecdotal evidence I've read |
22:20.25 | ckknight | Primer: it used to be a lot worse |
22:20.26 | renchap | with php/mysql |
22:20.29 | ckknight | but it's getting better and better |
22:20.36 | ckknight | I just want Rails 3 and Ruby 1.9 |
22:20.37 | Grum | dont say the devil word renchap |
22:20.38 | ckknight | that'll be sweet. |
22:20.39 | renchap | i want to do this with rails/postgres :) |
22:20.44 | nevcairiel | rails has some scaling issues though, compared to other solutions |
22:20.56 | ckknight | nevcairiel: true, but there are ways around most of them |
22:21.12 | Primer | ckknight: I imagine the problem is usually going to be the developer |
22:21.18 | nevcairiel | I want to get into JSP/Servlets some time, never really used it, and its very big in the industry |
22:21.22 | Primer | most developers don't understand scaling |
22:21.25 | renchap | many posts abour rails scalability i have read has been written by developers, and i think scalability is a sysadmin work |
22:21.31 | Primer | unless you're a developer/admin |
22:21.31 | renchap | Primer: so true :) |
22:21.38 | ckknight | Primer: hehe |
22:21.38 | renchap | that is my profile |
22:21.48 | renchap | and i really want to find this kind of job |
22:21.54 | renchap | but pretty hard in france :( |
22:22.00 | ckknight | renchap: move to America! |
22:22.00 | Primer | way back in the day I was in charge of a bunch of mod_perl programmers who saw it fit to pull "select * from table" into memory |
22:22.02 | ckknight | woo! |
22:22.05 | Grum | you can so easily lock yourself into 1 cpu or 1 box if you muck up the coding :) |
22:22.05 | pastamancer | no you don't... then everything is your problem :p |
22:22.08 | renchap | ckknight: planned |
22:22.11 | ckknight | Primer: oh dear. |
22:22.27 | Grum | Primer: so you send em on a sql course? :p |
22:22.30 | renchap | when my girlfriend gratuate |
22:22.38 | Primer | Grum: naw, I just fired them :) |
22:22.40 | ckknight | renchap: how old are you now? |
22:22.44 | renchap | 22 |
22:22.47 | nevcairiel | I can understand moving out of france |
22:22.47 | ckknight | ah, cool |
22:22.49 | ckknight | (21 here) |
22:22.50 | nevcairiel | but to america? |
22:22.52 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
22:22.55 | ckknight | woo, America! |
22:23.00 | renchap | nevcairiel: i dont know where we will move |
22:23.06 | renchap | but we want to move :) |
22:23.07 | ckknight | salutes |
22:23.10 | Primer | <-- 40 :/ |
22:23.19 | Grum | yeah go to america .. so you can be inside the bubble when it explodes (like being on the first cart on a rollercoaster!) |
22:23.29 | nevcairiel | I have one more semester at university |
22:23.32 | ckknight | Grum: hehe. |
22:23.33 | nevcairiel | then finally done with that |
22:23.42 | renchap | i think i will move where i can find a good rails/ruby related job |
22:23.43 | nevcairiel | i kinda look forward to doing some real work |
22:23.49 | Grum | so how 'good' is slony atm? |
22:24.00 | Grum | seeing we have someone working with it :) |
22:24.04 | ckknight | hey all, if you notice wowace not responding, please ping me ASAP |
22:24.11 | ckknight | like, 10+ second wait times |
22:24.12 | renchap | ckknight: use nagios ? |
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22:24.21 | renchap | or monit |
22:24.24 | Grum | oh sigh; slony doesnt support master-master setups :( |
22:24.30 | ckknight | renchap: Kael said he was gonna set something up and never got around to it |
22:24.39 | ckknight | or if he did he hasn't told me |
22:24.39 | renchap | Grum: there is other solutions to do this |
22:24.43 | Grum | hardly any opensource db supports master/master |
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22:24.47 | pastamancer | Grum: nope, there isn't any good multi-master for postgres |
22:24.57 | Grum | renchap: well yeah its painfully slow then :) |
22:24.58 | renchap | but i dont know if it is stable |
22:25.02 | nevcairiel | Grum: mysql can, but its so-so =P |
22:25.11 | Grum | yeah we ended up using mysql |
22:25.13 | renchap | Grum: do you know what skype use ? |
22:25.21 | Grum | renchap: nope but you will tell me in a sec |
22:25.28 | renchap | i dont know :) |
22:25.30 | ckknight | a bunch of Asians in the basement memorizing numbers, renchap |
22:25.32 | Grum | oh hehe |
22:25.33 | renchap | but they use postgresql |
22:25.45 | renchap | and they release some great pg tools |
22:26.11 | nevcairiel | http://jobs.skype.com/2007/12/database_developer.html <-- Skype job offer for a postgresql dev |
22:26.15 | nevcairiel | obvious give away |
22:26.16 | nevcairiel | ;) |
22:26.21 | Grum | ;) |
22:26.21 | durcyn | ckknight: should look into nagios + webinject |
22:26.23 | renchap | i think you can get more infos on master/master on #postgresql |
22:26.30 | renchap | ckknight: if you like ruby, try god |
22:26.36 | Grum | renchap: ah well we had to build a redudant server |
22:26.52 | ckknight | renchap: Kaelten refuses to use anything ruby-based :P |
22:26.53 | renchap | what about log shippring and heartbeat ? |
22:26.54 | Grum | so we ended up building a 4 box double master/slave set |
22:27.11 | ckknight | god is cool, though |
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22:27.43 | Grum | using a HA-cluster with DRDB running on the master/slave |
22:27.48 | EthanCentaurai | imagines God on Rails... |
22:27.49 | Grum | seems to work really well ... |
22:27.53 | EthanCentaurai | needs sleep. |
22:27.54 | Grum | but its erm .. kinda shite documentation wise ;P |
22:28.02 | ckknight | EthanCentaurai: hehe |
22:28.05 | renchap | ckknight: write a simple probe program ? |
22:28.05 | Grum | took nearly a year to set up properly O.o |
22:28.12 | renchap | http request, if timeout => mail |
22:28.17 | renchap | and run in on your computer ? |
22:28.20 | Grum | use nagios? |
22:28.23 | ckknight | renchap: yea, that might work |
22:28.28 | renchap | nagios is a pain to setup |
22:28.33 | Grum | its not? |
22:28.40 | Grum | well its a pain to set up properly ;) |
22:28.43 | renchap | i have done if, but we have about 200 servers |
22:28.45 | Grum | but you will want that in the end anyhow |
22:28.48 | renchap | and 2000 services |
22:29.03 | renchap | if you just want a mail when wowace is slow, it is a bit overkill |
22:29.09 | Grum | you *want* nagios with proper service/host groups :) |
22:29.14 | many | rails aint too big. it just makes too much work without having ye asked. |
22:29.44 | Grum | all those framework/scaffolding tools always suck |
22:29.58 | Grum | if you want to do anything out of order you end up hoopjumping for eons :) |
22:29.59 | many | scaffolding explicitely doesnt suck |
22:30.09 | many | automagic sucks. |
22:30.27 | Grum | automagic is what attracts the masses :) |
22:30.41 | renchap | developers are not the masses :) |
22:30.41 | many | yes, because they dont need to think. |
22:30.48 | many | they think they do not need to think. |
22:30.51 | Grum | renchap: 90% of them are actually |
22:30.56 | Grum | 5% doesnt care |
22:31.01 | Grum | and 5% whines ;) |
22:31.12 | Grum | you better be in the last 5% :p |
22:31.23 | renchap | you can combine |
22:31.50 | many | if theyd put 10% less automagic and 20% more scaffolding into rails it would suck less. |
22:31.52 | nevcairiel | thats mostly why i didnt like rails |
22:31.56 | nevcairiel | too much automagic |
22:32.08 | renchap | which kind of automagic ? |
22:32.11 | Grum | you never learn how to actually do it :) |
22:32.17 | many | thats what a lot of people hate and then switch to merb. |
22:32.20 | many | ^^ |
22:32.36 | Grum | i havent ever heard of Merb o.O |
22:32.45 | nevcairiel | I gave up after a weekend of toying with RoR |
22:32.50 | many | merbivore.org iirc |
22:32.51 | renchap | i have a (bad) habit, when i use a feature, i read the doc/code to understand all it does |
22:33.07 | ckknight | s/bad/good/ |
22:33.10 | Grum | i dont see how that is bad |
22:33.12 | many | yep, merbivore.org |
22:33.24 | ckknight | many: you do know that Merb 2 = Rails 3, right? |
22:33.28 | renchap | i am using rails for a wow related website for a month, and i still have no problems with rails |
22:33.36 | Grum | ah well |
22:33.38 | many | ckknight: no, iam not following rails development closely. |
22:33.41 | renchap | Grum: thats bad because it takes a lot of time :) |
22:33.45 | Grum | i try to avoid anything webrelated shite |
22:33.50 | ckknight | many: yea, the merb team is merging in all their stuff |
22:33.58 | ckknight | many: and becoming part of the core rails team |
22:34.00 | Grum | webstuff is pure horror in my books |
22:34.07 | ckknight | I like webstuff |
22:34.09 | ckknight | ;-) |
22:34.14 | renchap | me too |
22:34.18 | many | ckknight: so does that mean that rails gets better or that merb gets sucky? |
22:34.26 | ckknight | many: imo, the former |
22:34.29 | renchap | i could work in a bank, but this is boring |
22:34.32 | nevcairiel | I dont like most of the web dev solutions i tried |
22:34.36 | renchap | i like a job which evolves fast |
22:34.38 | nevcairiel | RoR is too big, PHP is just ugly |
22:34.39 | Grum | meh i did webstuff eons ago .... came to hate it badly |
22:34.44 | nevcairiel | ASP is Microsoft |
22:34.50 | renchap | Java is... Java |
22:34.50 | ckknight | many: basically means that rails is becoming faster, more agnostic (template-wise and orm-wise), and cleaner design in a lot of ways |
22:34.53 | Grum | Catalyst is quite good (perl) |
22:35.00 | nevcairiel | Only left is JSP/Servlets which i didnt really try to use yet |
22:35.02 | many | ckknight: which is good. |
22:35.06 | ckknight | nevcairiel: JRuby ftw? |
22:35.07 | ckknight | :-P |
22:35.17 | ckknight | JRuby on Rails is a pretty good solution |
22:35.18 | many | now if they kicked the automagic and used manual includes instead |
22:35.20 | ckknight | scalable, too |
22:35.26 | renchap | the biggest french bank is using C for their web frontend |
22:35.33 | renchap | THATis ugly |
22:35.35 | nevcairiel | ckknight: I should try web dev in Lua =P |
22:35.38 | Grum | frameworks which dont allow scaling suck anyhow |
22:35.41 | ckknight | nevcairiel: talk to cladhaire |
22:35.46 | many | actually |
22:35.50 | nevcairiel | i know, he uses sputnik |
22:35.53 | Grum | but then again; for massive websites even databases will end up being too slow |
22:35.57 | many | i read somewhere theres mod_lua or something ^^ |
22:35.57 | ckknight | he did wowprogramming.com in lua |
22:36.00 | Grum | hence they created memcache :) |
22:36.10 | ckknight | Grum: *thumbs up* |
22:36.13 | many | and i believe someone even tries to write a rails pendant in lua |
22:36.16 | renchap | mmmh... memcache can be good |
22:36.20 | Grum | memcache is severely ftw |
22:36.24 | renchap | but it is often misused |
22:36.25 | Grum | but only if used properly |
22:36.30 | ckknight | renchap: howso? |
22:36.40 | Grum | you have to have cache-hits |
22:36.41 | renchap | at work they use smarty |
22:36.55 | ckknight | the template engine? |
22:36.56 | renchap | we give them a memcache server to speedup some things |
22:36.58 | renchap | yes |
22:37.03 | ckknight | okay |
22:37.04 | ckknight | go on |
22:37.06 | renchap | and now they cache full HTML pages |
22:37.11 | nevcairiel | smarty was one thing in PHP i actually liked |
22:37.21 | Grum | yeah and smarty itself sucks ;p |
22:37.30 | renchap | that is not efficient |
22:37.31 | doom0r | i wish i would have continued learning C when i was a kid |
22:37.34 | renchap | very bad ratio |
22:37.43 | Grum | doom0r: C is too much work |
22:37.43 | renchap | and it only speedup popular pages |
22:37.44 | ckknight | renchap: we do full output caching on curseforge (for main page, project index, project details) |
22:37.55 | ckknight | we only cache popular views |
22:37.57 | renchap | i prefer object caching |
22:37.57 | doom0r | especially when you start learning at 12yrs old |
22:38.17 | nevcairiel | i started learning pascal when i was 10 or so |
22:38.21 | renchap | but the main problem is that they cache anything |
22:38.22 | ckknight | doom0r: I started C++ at age 10 |
22:38.26 | doom0r | and you needed 3 books back then |
22:38.33 | renchap | we are crawled a lot by google |
22:38.34 | Grum | 3? just one |
22:38.35 | doom0r | a C book, a bible, and a reference |
22:38.43 | ckknight | renchap: hrm, yea, same with us |
22:38.45 | Grum | and i even have that one book :) |
22:38.46 | renchap | and when google crawls a page, it is cached |
22:38.57 | renchap | and we have lot of pages, that are never viewed |
22:38.57 | Grum | Kernigan & Ritchies 'ANSI C' |
22:39.01 | nevcairiel | K&R is all you need to get C =P |
22:39.02 | renchap | to memcache is pretty useless |
22:39.22 | doom0r | it's in the basement, i should pull it back out |
22:39.24 | renchap | i am sure that is i stop the memcache server i will not see a big load increase |
22:39.32 | ckknight | renchap: the way memcache works is that queried caches are thrown away less often, so if something is set but never requested, it's thrown away |
22:39.33 | Grum | ojh its called 'The C Programming Language' :) |
22:39.38 | renchap | caching is good, if you cache useful things |
22:39.50 | nevcairiel | Grum: everyone just calls it K&R |
22:39.50 | renchap | i know |
22:39.54 | Grum | yeah ;) |
22:39.54 | renchap | but we have too much pages |
22:40.00 | ckknight | hrm |
22:40.19 | renchap | memcache is only usefull for homepages/recent articles for us |
22:40.24 | renchap | -l |
22:40.40 | Grum | also memcache can be quite expensive hardware wise |
22:40.44 | renchap | but they cache everything |
22:40.49 | renchap | mmmh |
22:40.55 | renchap | 8 GB webservers |
22:41.01 | renchap | 4 for php, 4 for memcache |
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22:41.04 | renchap | scale well |
22:41.09 | Grum | 4gb for php .. hurrrrr |
22:41.18 | renchap | always put memcached on webservers, better for scaling |
22:41.27 | Grum | err? |
22:41.32 | Grum | put them on boxes where you have ram spare |
22:41.37 | Grum | doesn't matter which one |
22:41.43 | renchap | yup, apache 1.3 with mod_php |
22:41.46 | Grum | if you put down a single box with 32b ram .. use it there ;) |
22:41.51 | Stanzilla | licks grum |
22:41.52 | Grum | *gb |
22:41.52 | renchap | so 50 MB by php process :) |
22:42.07 | renchap | Grum: but cpu will not be used |
22:42.15 | Grum | then dont put in a cpu? ;p |
22:42.19 | Grum | or something cheap :p |
22:42.22 | renchap | with my webservers, cpu is used at 80% |
22:42.25 | renchap | and memory at 100% |
22:42.36 | renchap | my biggest problem is power concumption |
22:42.39 | Grum | you need better coders i'd say ;) |
22:42.42 | renchap | and space in datacenter |
22:43.01 | renchap | yes, i say this since i have this position |
22:43.13 | renchap | but my manager is a developer :) |
22:43.34 | Primer | so is mine, and he writes the crappiest code in the office |
22:43.35 | Grum | yeah lol our boss's boss was also a devver |
22:43.41 | Grum | i blame him for the current state of the code ;) |
22:43.47 | Shefki | Can anyone think of an item that has two recipes to make it in game? |
22:43.51 | renchap | thats why i am looking for a new job |
22:44.00 | Grum | Shefki: large prismatic shards? |
22:44.13 | Grum | 3 small -> prismatic; 1 void -> 2 prismatic |
22:44.20 | Zhinjio | sweet. |
22:44.21 | renchap | and i want a sysadmin rails related position, to try to see if rails scales well with good practices |
22:44.25 | Shefki | Grum: Thanks. |
22:44.26 | Zhinjio | my hdmi/dvi cable shipped today |
22:44.28 | Grum | or try titanium bar; 2 ore -> bar; and transmute |
22:45.27 | Grum | Zhinjio: i need a mini-dvi -> hdmi |
22:45.33 | Grum | did you happen to get that? :D |
22:46.22 | Shefki | Grum: Ahh that's a better one, two different professions even. |
22:46.36 | Zhinjio | no, I use cablenmor.com for all my cables though, if you wanna check there |
22:46.49 | Zhinjio | they've always done me right. |
22:46.54 | Grum | missing an 'e' ? |
22:46.58 | Zhinjio | intentional |
22:47.01 | ckknight | renchap: with good practices, monitoring, checking the produced sql, etc. Rails can scale with adequate hardware |
22:47.23 | Grum | mm doesnt work |
22:47.38 | Zhinjio | http://www.cablesnmor.com/ |
22:47.48 | Grum | you fail ;) |
22:47.59 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
22:48.01 | Zhinjio | I just cut/pasted that from my browser,looking at the site. |
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22:48.07 | Zhinjio | so, no... I don't. |
22:48.20 | Grum | you missed the 's' before :) |
22:48.23 | Repo | 10test-alpha: 03ckknight * r69 TestAlpha.lua: Blah! |
22:48.34 | Grum | but google is awesome; 'did you mean' .. YES! =D |
22:48.35 | ckknight | Grum: why do you hate? |
22:48.42 | Grum | because i breathe? |
22:48.48 | renchap | ckknight: i want to see it, and get these good practices :) |
22:48.54 | ckknight | it's annoying but necessary |
22:48.59 | ckknight | renchap: you wanna see our SQL? |
22:49.09 | renchap | depends :) |
22:49.10 | nevcairiel | I prefer writing SQL querys myself |
22:49.11 | ckknight | or what? |
22:49.12 | nevcairiel | but thats just me |
22:49.12 | ckknight | :-P |
22:49.23 | ckknight | nevcairiel: we handle it through a _good_ ORM |
22:49.26 | ckknight | produces good SQL |
22:49.34 | renchap | i know how optimise sql queries, cache code, ... |
22:49.38 | Grum | F A I L apple. why do you have to put in a mini-dvi .. i hate you! *apply hate* |
22:49.40 | doom0r | what's the performance comparison for MSBT vs. SCT? |
22:49.41 | Primer | Anyone know of an entirely free fraps-like app for windows? |
22:49.45 | Zhinjio | aha, ok. |
22:49.58 | Grum | Primer: 'printscreen'-really-fast.com |
22:49.58 | renchap | but i want to test how to optimize a website when you use a framework |
22:50.33 | renchap | optimising when you dont use a framework is quite easy |
22:50.39 | doom0r | Primer: http://www.osalt.com/fraps |
22:50.41 | nevcairiel | Anyone know a really good book about JSP by any chance? |
22:51.12 | Grum | http://www.allekabels.nl/product_images//elelctronica-lrg-1I3e54UZ9FHN.jpg <-- oh that can work :) |
22:51.33 | Grum | mm then again; i get a mini-dvi->dvi already ... |
22:52.09 | Primer | doom0r: thanks |
22:52.52 | doom0r | that's one of my favorite sites |
22:53.30 | Grum | oh sweet site doom0r |
22:53.53 | doom0r | very, the biggest bonus is that it's not just nix, but any OS |
22:53.56 | Grum | they do fail a bit though :( |
22:54.10 | doom0r | Grum: user submittable |
22:54.17 | doom0r | only the world+dog fails |
22:54.18 | Grum | http://www.osalt.com/xchat <-- available for: windows/linux .. o.O |
22:54.35 | Grum | not unix/mac .. |
22:54.47 | doom0r | Please note: That XChat for Windows costs money, even though it is open source |
22:55.30 | Grum | finding a good irc-client for the mac took me half a day :'( |
22:55.43 | Grum | and i ended up rewriting parts of the one i found in the end ;( |
22:56.14 | Xinhuan | doom0r |
22:56.21 | Xinhuan | the comments for the alternative of fraps says |
22:56.31 | Xinhuan | "Dead development. No sound recording." with a rating of 1/5 |
22:56.39 | Xinhuan | "Would be perfect if it recorded sound as well. It also seems like its development is dead, so this one should be passed up." |
22:56.40 | Xinhuan | :p |
22:57.05 | Grum | you can always `buy` fraps ^^ |
22:57.16 | Xinhuan | isohunt.com |
22:57.23 | Xinhuan | can always find anything on it ;p |
22:57.41 | Grum | but then finding it somewhere hehe |
22:58.01 | Xinhuan | just make sure you read the comments before download |
22:58.11 | Wobin | theres a free version of xchat |
22:58.15 | Wobin | I'm using it right now =P |
22:58.30 | Torhal | "OMG, I downloaded this and found out that it's really Murloc porn!" |
22:59.03 | Wobin | "Oh Mrghglglglglglh me harder!" |
22:59.03 | Grum | i prefer mirc over xchat on windows .. on linux i'd take xchat over anything :) |
22:59.09 | Torhal | Haha |
22:59.14 | Zhinjio | so my mother in law is pretty awesome. |
22:59.19 | Grum | now under mac .. using LimeChat (modified ofc ><) |
22:59.27 | Zhinjio | she knows how to make a gamer happy on christmas: Fallout3 and Spore |
22:59.33 | Wobin | hehe |
22:59.34 | Torhal | Nice |
22:59.44 | nevcairiel | throws some limes at Grum |
22:59.46 | Grum | you didnt download that? ;) |
22:59.55 | nevcairiel | isnt there a X-Chat for mac? =P |
23:00.00 | Grum | yeah but it failed |
23:00.04 | Grum | and i couldnt fix it :) |
23:00.20 | Grum | couldn't get it compiled myself and it hasnt been devved for 3 years orso? |
23:00.29 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
23:00.58 | Grum | i needed something which would integrate properly in the macos system; i need to know when someone pokes me .. and if the dock-icon cant get a bounce .. it fails |
23:01.03 | selckin | i want a firefox plugin to link the searchbox with the tab :\ |
23:01.33 | Grum | that basicly killed any X programs .. and xchat failed because on quitting it would part all the channels (and thus leaving all the channels on my proxy ><) |
23:01.43 | Grum | (that was what tossed me off the channels a bit back btw ^^) |
23:02.32 | Grum | then i tried colloquy ... and .. can you make something look even more gay? |
23:02.58 | Xinhuan | yes |
23:03.00 | pastamancer | yeah, trillian or whatever it's called for windows :p |
23:03.09 | Grum | and you could ofcourse change the looks; if you learned xslt and js o.O |
23:03.18 | ckknight | Grum: I use Linkinus |
23:03.29 | doom0r | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screencasting_software |
23:03.33 | Grum | pastamancer: not if you actually join 7 networks and >10 channels :) |
23:04.08 | pastamancer | Grum: I mean that trillian is uglier than colloquy |
23:04.18 | Grum | nah its not :) |
23:04.32 | pastamancer | guess I haven't looked at colloquy lately then |
23:04.45 | Wobin | I like digsby on windows |
23:04.49 | Grum | oh not a bad client ckk :) |
23:04.52 | Grum | let me try it :) |
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23:06.06 | Grum | mm payware... |
23:06.13 | Grum | oh well .. if its good ... |
23:06.30 | ckknight | Grum: I bought it, it's been worth it |
23:06.36 | ckknight | I bought it at half-price, though |
23:06.48 | Grum | i pay euros ... its always half price |
23:07.04 | ckknight | Grum: cool feature, you can close the client and leave the service in the background, when you open it up again, it'll give you all the chat you missed ;-) |
23:07.24 | Grum | now that is something i dont need :) |
23:07.30 | Grum | why close it then? ^^ |
23:07.56 | ckknight | memory/cpu usage? |
23:08.07 | ckknight | it's like 20 megs for just the service |
23:08.11 | ckknight | but like 50 for the whole thing |
23:08.12 | ckknight | or something |
23:08.25 | Repo | 10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio * r50 Broker_HitCrit.lua: - added Shadowflame (Warlock) to exclusion list |
23:09.02 | nevcairiel | memory usage .. when did i have to worry about that for the last time.. |
23:09.03 | Grum | got 4gb memory in my macbookpro .. i dont care! :D |
23:09.04 | durcyn | people pay money for that? sounds like bnc. |
23:11.22 | Zhinjio | anyone with a level 75+ warlock in the mood to test something quick with hitcrit? |
23:14.21 | Grum | ckknight: does it even understand CAPAB? |
23:14.35 | ckknight | Grum: I honestly don't know |
23:14.46 | Grum | so you see + and - before messages? |
23:14.57 | ckknight | I see @ before my name and nevcairiel, + before pastamancer |
23:15.03 | ckknight | :-P |
23:15.07 | ckknight | is that what you mean? |
23:15.10 | Grum | no i mean when people talk; let me show |
23:15.21 | nevcairiel | wtf is CAPAB |
23:15.25 | nevcairiel | i never heard that before |
23:15.36 | Grum | 00:15:08 <ckknight> +is that what you mean? |
23:15.52 | Grum | humz it also doesnt show when you have a multi-line paste in input .. meh |
23:15.55 | Wobin | What's a good irc client for windows? |
23:16.00 | Grum | mIRC |
23:16.17 | Primer | xchat |
23:16.17 | sacarasc | xchat |
23:16.23 | Grum | sigh |
23:16.23 | ckknight | Grum: I don't get what the point of the + is. |
23:16.27 | Grum | ok this client sucks |
23:16.42 | Primer | + is a freeload thing |
23:16.49 | Grum | ckknight: CAPAB is what freenode uses to show which person is authed and which one isnt |
23:16.53 | sacarasc | ckknight: it shows that you're identified to services |
23:16.54 | Zhinjio | I investigate windows clients every so often, and every time, I still end up usign irssi on my linue machine |
23:16.58 | Zhinjio | linux |
23:17.11 | Grum | it basicly prefixes the whole message oyu send out with either + (authed) or - (not authed) |
23:17.20 | Grum | if the client doenst strip it .. it fails |
23:17.26 | nevcairiel | mIRC hides it, yay |
23:17.32 | Grum | not by default nev |
23:17.36 | nevcairiel | mine does |
23:17.37 | nevcairiel | shrug |
23:17.41 | Shefki | hearts his screen and irssi |
23:17.53 | Grum | humz some client have 'oh you are on freenode network; hide stuff' |
23:18.02 | Grum | instead of implementing it properly |
23:18.20 | Grum | (which makes them break if you connect through a bnc/proxy) |
23:18.31 | Wobin | btb |
23:18.32 | Wobin | brb |
23:18.33 | Shefki | I actually wrote the stuff to do it for irssi. |
23:18.35 | Wobin | updating xchat |
23:18.38 | Grum | Shefki: i also run irssi and use it as a proxy |
23:18.43 | nevcairiel | I'm connected through a bnc and mIRC still thinks its pure freenode |
23:18.56 | nevcairiel | somehow it pulls that off =P |
23:19.00 | Grum | i hate how bncs handle multiple networks |
23:19.08 | nevcairiel | i just use two bnc accounts |
23:19.12 | Zhinjio | i bet arrowmaster knows what bnc stands for. in regards to network connector types, I mean. |
23:19.14 | ckknight | Grum: it doesn't show it on mine... |
23:19.18 | Zhinjio | I find that few other people do, though |
23:19.27 | ckknight | shrugs |
23:19.28 | Zhinjio | networking lore. heh. |
23:19.28 | Grum | ckknight: clearly a mixed up client |
23:19.33 | Primer | I use irssi's proxy plugin on my colo box |
23:19.43 | Primer | and connect to it from as many as 3 concurrent xchats |
23:19.50 | Grum | a: /raw CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG |
23:19.58 | Grum | should remedy the problem .. and it doesnt .. cry |
23:20.04 | Primer | /quote you mean |
23:20.11 | Grum | same difference |
23:20.12 | Shefki | the whole identify-msg stuff is implemented horribly. |
23:20.12 | nevcairiel | Zhinjio: bayonet nut connector or something? its been too long =P |
23:20.18 | Primer | Works For Me⢠|
23:20.44 | Zhinjio | grins. Nope. It has its origins in the military. |
23:20.51 | Zhinjio | which I suppose is no surprise |
23:20.55 | doom0r | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_connector#History |
23:20.56 | ckknight | okay, I need to work on PitBull4 some more, you people are distracting. |
23:21.06 | Zhinjio | looks |
23:21.15 | nevcairiel | something with bayonet due to the locking mechanism |
23:21.15 | Groktar | "helps" ckknight |
23:21.42 | Zhinjio | close though. *grin* |
23:21.56 | pomp1 | wth.. my pvp is disabled and I'm in silvermoon getting attacked by alliance.. |
23:22.22 | doom0r | wth.... wtb |
23:22.30 | doom0r | i sat there for over an hour and couldn't get anyone to flag |
23:22.33 | Zhinjio | hmm. looks like I was wrong. nevermind then |
23:22.50 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Yo. |
23:22.53 | pomp1 | when I ese them they are hostile |
23:23.07 | Zhinjio | Torhal: dude. |
23:23.10 | Torhal | Aye? |
23:23.38 | nevcairiel | anyway, sleepy time for me, laters |
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23:25.13 | Grum | seems it works without the proxy |
23:25.16 | Grum | whhhhhhhhy! :( |
23:26.00 | sacarasc | what proxy are you using? |
23:26.06 | Grum | irssi |
23:28.22 | Grum | this is really strange |
23:28.29 | Grum | 'it should work tm' |
23:29.11 | Grum | the proxy tells the server it has CAPAB-support; so the client should do the CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG .. and the client should then start stripping shite |
23:29.37 | sacarasc | ooh, i have a script for that |
23:29.41 | sacarasc | sec |
23:30.00 | Grum | script for what? irssi? i dont care |
23:30.08 | Grum | scripts arent handled before dispatching to the proxy |
23:30.10 | Grum | so it's no use |
23:30.36 | Grum | this client does have a /capab command though :) |
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23:38.58 | Arrowmaster | Grum: are you sure? my client sends any unknown commands to the server so i have a /capab command and im 100% sure its not the client |
23:39.16 | Grum | well atm it doesnt work |
23:39.25 | Grum | i also read it doesnt reconnect to a network automaticly ... |
23:39.31 | Grum | awesome? ;) |
23:40.25 | Arrowmaster | and the freenode capab stuff is disabled unless you explicitly enable it with a command, which is why everybody else doesnt see it |
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23:40.52 | Grum | i wonder which of the clients does that by default then |
23:41.09 | Grum | still it should be supported |
23:41.17 | Arrowmaster | irssi might |
23:41.28 | Grum | nah irssi doesnt get it |
23:41.35 | Grum | not unless you plugin it |
23:41.37 | Arrowmaster | whats the other? |
23:41.41 | Grum | mirc |
23:41.48 | Grum | which has the same 'issue' |
23:41.49 | Arrowmaster | mirc does not |
23:41.57 | Grum | xchat ... |
23:42.06 | Arrowmaster | might |
23:42.09 | Grum | i think that client turned it on automagically for every one else |
23:42.14 | Grum | hmmm |
23:42.20 | Grum | so in theory i should be able to kill my connection |
23:42.28 | Grum | slap my mirc in to place and dont have CAPAB |
23:42.29 | Grum | lets try :) |
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23:44.49 | Grum | now lets see :D |
23:44.59 | Grum | ok .. hehe .. that worked ;) |
23:45.07 | Grum | this client does look jummy btw :) |
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23:48.54 | doom0r | no j! |
23:48.57 | doom0r | y |
23:49.26 | ckknight | lol, I read it as yummy anyway |
23:49.30 | ckknight | then later as jumpy |
23:49.38 | doom0r | i'm used to it |
23:49.53 | doom0r | even though i only know english |
23:50.10 | doom0r | but i don't like it! |
23:50.23 | Grum | whinies! ;P |
23:50.26 | ckknight | let's switch to esperanto, k? |
23:51.29 | sacarasc | yes |
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23:58.33 | Grum | i have to say; this client does look really nice |
23:59.12 | Grum | and i can crash it by deleting a network .. awesome :) |