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| 00:00.12 | fridgid | wau still from sourceforge |
| 00:00.31 | fridgid | erm, rather is that the best place to get it? |
| 00:00.49 | NeoTron | I've spent thousands upons thousands of gold on herbs on the AH |
| 00:01.01 | NeoTron | leveling alchemy and inscription and ten buying herbs to do reasearch |
| 00:01.15 | NeoTron | which is why my herbalist is now level 75 on her way to 77 |
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| 00:02.55 | DarkAudit | Can anyone recommend a replacement for ChatAssist2? |
| 00:04.34 | Gngsk | what's that do? |
| 00:04.59 | doom0r | fridgid: http://www.wowace.com/announcements/rest-in-peace-files-wowace-and-wow-ace-updater/ |
| 00:05.26 | Torhal | Zhinjio: D'oh. Sorry to hear that |
| 00:06.36 | DarkAudit | Gngsk, mostly puts a timestamp on chat messages and colors some character names according to class |
| 00:07.16 | NeoTron | DarkAudit: a small subset of what Chatter does so perhaps you could check that out |
| 00:07.17 | doom0r | DarkAudit: i would suggest prat or chatter and only turning on what you need |
| 00:07.41 | NivFreak | jesus, I'm going to gain 103 stam when the patch hits, from enchants |
| 00:07.56 | NivFreak | wtb 3.0.8 pst |
| 00:08.01 | NeoTron | I'll gain defense if I so desire |
| 00:08.09 | NeoTron | although right now my current 4% parry is better |
| 00:08.29 | NeoTron | the 50 something defense-on-proc sigil is interesting too |
| 00:08.35 | fridgid | yeah, it looked like you have to use CC |
| 00:08.47 | fridgid | is there a prat type chat mod for wlk? |
| 00:08.57 | doom0r | yes, prat |
| 00:09.03 | NeoTron | Prat or Chatter |
| 00:09.15 | fridgid | is it not on curse? |
| 00:09.20 | NivFreak | NeoTron: RNG to deal with RNG sounds very bad to me |
| 00:09.21 | fridgid | or inside the CC? |
| 00:09.27 | sylvanaar | prat 3.0 |
| 00:09.37 | doom0r | it's the first result |
| 00:09.45 | NeoTron | NivFreak: well you can't count on the proc |
| 00:09.53 | NeoTron | NivFreak: but when it proces it's like 6% avoidance |
| 00:10.07 | NeoTron | if you're not threat bound it's a lot better than a bit of threat |
| 00:10.08 | fridgid | nix that, i was using wrong view, recently quit war |
| 00:10.17 | Codayus_ | Can't count on which proc? |
| 00:10.23 | NivFreak | threat? what is threat? |
| 00:11.08 | fridgid | blizz has built in threat now no? |
| 00:11.12 | Torhal | Yes |
| 00:12.37 | NivFreak | ohhh |
| 00:12.45 | NivFreak | threats that thing that if I watch 2 episodes of house |
| 00:12.46 | NivFreak | dps die |
| 00:12.50 | fridgid | does CC resolve dependencies? |
| 00:13.11 | doom0r | the packager handles that before it goes to syndication |
| 00:13.20 | NivFreak | because CC fails at disembedded |
| 00:13.21 | NeoTron | so other than patchwerk and sartharion, what other fights needs more than 2 tanks? |
| 00:13.38 | fridgid | so i don't need to be checking for deps and making sure i d/l them? |
| 00:13.39 | NivFreak | NeoTron: there are several that are easier with 3 tanks |
| 00:13.52 | NeoTron | such as? |
| 00:13.55 | doom0r | not unless you're gonna try and run disembedded |
| 00:14.01 | NivFreak | anabrukan or whatever |
| 00:14.08 | NeoTron | 25 man spawns two adds? |
| 00:14.11 | NivFreak | yea |
| 00:14.17 | NivFreak | stacks get pretty high with just one OT |
| 00:14.31 | NivFreak | you can do it I think, but you may as well use 2 OTs |
| 00:15.23 | DarkAudit | My guild is wanting us to make sure Bidder works for us, because it's still working for some of the officers. How do I get past the comm errors? |
| 00:15.57 | NeoTron | what about faerlina? noth? |
| 00:16.03 | NeoTron | any more adds on grobbulus? |
| 00:16.19 | NivFreak | grand widow is easier with 2 OTs |
| 00:16.26 | NivFreak | mexxina doesn't matter |
| 00:16.33 | NivFreak | razouvios is fine with 1 OT |
| 00:16.39 | NivFreak | ummm |
| 00:16.52 | NivFreak | gothik is easier with 2 OTs, but you can do it with 1 |
| 00:16.58 | NivFreak | depending on classes of course |
| 00:17.09 | NeoTron | how do you split three tanks on gothik? :P |
| 00:17.11 | NeoTron | one in the middle? |
| 00:17.15 | NivFreak | 2 to one side |
| 00:17.28 | NivFreak | usually live side, it's really overkill |
| 00:17.31 | NivFreak | but just a matter of CDs |
| 00:17.38 | NivFreak | I think one DK would be fine |
| 00:17.45 | NivFreak | or prot pally |
| 00:17.46 | NivFreak | or even bear :) |
| 00:18.03 | NivFreak | the spawn rate is just sort of a bitch with 6 sec CDs on aoe threat |
| 00:18.13 | NivFreak | but doable |
| 00:18.26 | NivFreak | 4HM only takes 1 OT |
| 00:18.36 | NeoTron | dual spec can't come too soon |
| 00:18.40 | NivFreak | 3.1 |
| 00:18.40 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 00:18.46 | NivFreak | let's see |
| 00:18.56 | NivFreak | I'm trying to remember noth |
| 00:18.59 | NivFreak | so many bosses |
| 00:19.03 | NivFreak | ohh |
| 00:19.05 | NivFreak | noth, ok |
| 00:19.08 | NeoTron | add spawns |
| 00:19.11 | NivFreak | yea, 2 add tanks imo |
| 00:19.13 | NeoTron | pathetic in 10 man |
| 00:19.19 | NivFreak | double the spawn rate as 10man |
| 00:19.20 | NivFreak | and higher dmg |
| 00:19.20 | NeoTron | 2 tanks or 1+2OT |
| 00:19.25 | NeoTron | ok |
| 00:19.27 | NivFreak | 2 off tanks |
| 00:19.33 | NivFreak | heigan is zero off tanks |
| 00:19.40 | NivFreak | thaddius is zero |
| 00:19.49 | NivFreak | patchwerk is 2 OTs |
| 00:19.53 | NivFreak | grobb, I like 2 |
| 00:20.05 | NivFreak | the dmg gets sort of high without it |
| 00:20.14 | NivFreak | 1 for gluth |
| 00:20.18 | NivFreak | 1 OT that is |
| 00:20.29 | NeoTron | thaddius is one |
| 00:20.30 | NivFreak | thaddius is 1 OT for phase 1, zero for p2 |
| 00:20.33 | NeoTron | right |
| 00:20.39 | NivFreak | sapph is zero OTs |
| 00:20.45 | NivFreak | KT is really 2 OTs |
| 00:20.50 | NivFreak | for p3 |
| 00:20.50 | NeoTron | one per big dide? |
| 00:20.55 | NeoTron | or are there more than 2 in 25 man? |
| 00:20.56 | NivFreak | yea, 4 adds spawn |
| 00:20.58 | NeoTron | ah |
| 00:21.01 | NivFreak | so 2 each |
| 00:21.13 | NeoTron | those adds are dumb |
| 00:21.13 | NivFreak | and healing was rough when we tried it with one OT |
| 00:21.19 | NeoTron | "adds so the OT's have something to do" |
| 00:21.22 | NivFreak | yea, they are just there to keep your OTs busy |
| 00:21.30 | NivFreak | totally trivial |
| 00:21.36 | NivFreak | unless an OT stands in a void zone |
| 00:21.51 | NivFreak | and then for 3 drakes, I thought most people used 1 OT |
| 00:21.54 | NeoTron | so I think we need 3 primary tanks where I likely would be the most OTish and first to go DPS |
| 00:22.01 | NivFreak | and then a DPS dk for adds |
| 00:22.11 | NivFreak | and then some mail+ class for the adds inside the portals |
| 00:22.17 | NeoTron | unless we get a feral druid which might do better dpsing with tank spec than me |
| 00:22.33 | NeoTron | I wonder how much of this could be done as a DPS DK in tank gear |
| 00:22.44 | NivFreak | most of it I think |
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| 00:23.01 | NivFreak | I have a unholy DK that is my 3rd tank |
| 00:23.04 | NivFreak | he runs a hybrid spec |
| 00:23.08 | NivFreak | and I think I'm going to have him stop |
| 00:23.21 | NivFreak | the only fight I'm really worried about him on is patchwerk |
| 00:23.28 | NivFreak | and he just has to take 1 hit really |
| 00:23.33 | NivFreak | he took 6 over 4 minutes |
| 00:23.48 | NivFreak | our first patchwerk kill, he died in 4:11 |
| 00:23.52 | NivFreak | first pull |
| 00:24.13 | NivFreak | and I think it would have been 4 mins if I hadn't pulled off the MT |
| 00:24.19 | NivFreak | :) |
| 00:24.20 | sacarasc | :o |
| 00:24.32 | NivFreak | <-- guild MT, OT was MT for patchwerk of course |
| 00:24.43 | WobWork | http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/7454606.html |
| 00:24.46 | WobWork | epic ^ |
| 00:24.51 | sacarasc | "pulled off" means something else |
| 00:25.21 | NivFreak | eh? |
| 00:25.24 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:26.13 | WobWork | 10man Naxx with "Happy Ending" =) |
| 00:26.20 | NivFreak | oh, you must be non-US :) |
| 00:26.30 | NivFreak | we'd say jerked-off |
| 00:26.30 | NivFreak | :P |
| 00:27.17 | NeoTron | damn foreigners, get off my lawn! |
| 00:27.22 | NivFreak | yas |
| 00:27.33 | NivFreak | with your dirty minds |
| 00:28.37 | Gngsk | Get out of my swamp you kids! |
| 00:28.49 | Kilroo | hmm. |
| 00:28.51 | NeoTron | I tanked Anub'arak as DPS spec (unholy) with dps gear without a healer |
| 00:28.56 | NeoTron | how hard could naxx be? :P |
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| 00:30.51 | sacarasc | our first venture into Naxx heroic, we downed 4 bosses. and on heigan there were only 6 alive the second time melee can get to him |
| 00:31.40 | Primer | How exactly does one "drag the guards" to King Magni? |
| 00:31.54 | Kilroo | Rope. |
| 00:31.54 | Primer | referring to that story about the lone paladin protecting King Magni |
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| 00:35.43 | Funkeh` | Is there a program like notebook hardware contorl somewhere, but isn't years out of date |
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| 00:42.04 | doom0r | MailMeter Updated less than 3 days ago! |
| 00:42.05 | doom0r | This mod will keep track of and announce how much (useless) mail armor has dropped in any instance, like a DPS meter. |
| 00:42.07 | doom0r | lol |
| 00:42.19 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 00:42.21 | Gnarfoz | nice |
| 00:42.22 | doom0r | was talking to people about how much damn mail drops this morning |
| 00:42.38 | Gnarfoz | should count the times loot drops that no class in the raid can use |
| 00:42.40 | doom0r | everybody who has a shaman is pissed because they'd be geared completely |
| 00:43.00 | Gnarfoz | we had, for example, bow from Kel'thuzad... with no class in the raid that can actually wear ranged weapons. :D |
| 00:43.06 | Gnarfoz | or rather, Bows |
| 00:43.47 | Gnarfoz | mages, warlocks, druids, shaman, paladins, death knights, priests... no rogue/warrior/hunter :D |
| 00:44.26 | doom0r | Runevolution |
| 00:44.36 | doom0r | The intent is to provide a "stack" of your ready runes, so they pile up on your screen in the order you used them. |
| 00:44.40 | doom0r | I like the idea there |
| 00:44.54 | doom0r | shows your runes _and_ your rotation at the same time |
| 00:45.23 | NeoTron | what does that mean? |
| 00:46.07 | NeoTron | I still think that after playing and especially raiding as a DK I've learned to mostly play with occasional glance vs constantly monitoring the glyphs |
| 00:46.15 | doom0r | as you use the runes, it moves those in the cooldown |
| 00:46.16 | WobWork | It's true |
| 00:46.21 | doom0r | sliding to the left |
| 00:46.28 | doom0r | so they stack up the way you used them last |
| 00:46.34 | WobWork | isn't that the same as MagicRunes? |
| 00:46.42 | WobWork | hm |
| 00:46.46 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 00:46.54 | NeoTron | if you chose to order them by cooldown |
| 00:46.57 | WobWork | I tend to know my basic rotation automatically |
| 00:47.02 | NeoTron | although one difference - reordered once cooldown is zero |
| 00:47.14 | NeoTron | but I find that reordering is by itself very confusing |
| 00:47.34 | WobWork | I'm more wanting to know "Okay, full bar at the top == blood" |
| 00:47.50 | WobWork | having to interpret -what- rune is up top would take too much time |
| 00:48.12 | doom0r | well, there's a difference between going about your bizz and testing rotations |
| 00:48.43 | WobWork | that's a good point |
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| 00:48.53 | WobWork | figuring out rotations can be irritating |
| 00:48.59 | doom0r | ya |
| 00:49.16 | doom0r | i'd use something like that, then just probably icehud's display afterwords |
| 00:49.42 | NeoTron | I play unholy now |
| 00:49.48 | NeoTron | and I have a perfect knowledge of my rotations |
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| 00:50.15 | NeoTron | occasionately they do get mixed up though but for aoE it's always D&D, IT/PS, Pest, BB, DS, <wait>, D&D etc |
| 00:50.28 | WobWork | meh |
| 00:50.30 | NeoTron | or if stuff is mostly dead, bb/pest/ds instead of D&d |
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| 00:50.57 | WobWork | D&D, IT/PS, Pest, Bloodtap, BB... |
| 00:51.32 | NeoTron | I usually save bloodtap for when I need to renew bone shield to avoid messing up the rotation |
| 00:51.35 | NivFreak | NeoTron: there are some random spots in naxx-25 where the damage really spikes up over 10man |
| 00:51.50 | NivFreak | one example is 4HM |
| 00:51.56 | WobWork | also, no UB? |
| 00:52.06 | NivFreak | I think it's 3x the dmg from the casters in the back |
| 00:52.07 | NeoTron | UB usually after the BB |
| 00:52.07 | Shefki | If I ever find the person who made costumes removed by druid forms. I'd love to hang them by their toenails. |
| 00:52.10 | NivFreak | for thier direct nukes |
| 00:52.18 | NeoTron | but that's not part of the "rune rotation" if you wish |
| 00:52.24 | WobWork | (... and my mind is blank... what is DS?) |
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| 00:52.29 | NeoTron | Death Strike |
| 00:52.43 | WobWork | oh. point |
| 00:52.46 | NeoTron | NivFreak: good thing you got more healers available |
| 00:52.49 | WobWork | I'm thinking initial start |
| 00:53.48 | NeoTron | single target: IT/PS, BS, BS, DS DS, DS, IT, PS with runic power abilities mixed in when available |
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| 00:54.05 | NeoTron | actually I usually do DS before BS but still |
| 00:54.14 | Pkekyo| | "When I was your age, we didn't have World of Warcraft. We had World War II, and let me tell you something - when you shot at the Germans, it aggroed 10.000 of them in a 5 mile radius.." |
| 00:54.52 | WobWork | NeoTron: depends on if blade barrier is still up =) |
| 00:55.07 | NeoTron | I admit I'm very bad at monitoring that |
| 00:55.13 | NeoTron | but I use the blood runes regardless |
| 00:55.21 | WobWork | It tends to go to the wayside if things get hairy |
| 00:55.27 | ckknight | Pkekyo|: skinning a german should aggro every germans? |
| 00:55.51 | WobWork | cause you are skinning their FRIEND |
| 00:58.34 | NivFreak | NeoTron: we just use 2 healers and 2 "tanks" instead of 1 healer and 1 "tank" like in 10man |
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| 01:07.32 | ckknight | I'm worried about the politics of our great nation |
| 01:07.40 | ckknight | cause, I mean, once you go black, you don't go back. |
| 01:07.50 | ckknight | :-P |
| 01:08.01 | Antiarc | http://i37.tinypic.com/2luxjqs.gif |
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| 01:08.49 | NeoTron | ckknight: very tasteless jokes could be made there |
| 01:09.08 | NeoTron | ckknight: considering WWII lamp shades and such |
| 01:09.18 | ckknight | lol, Antiarc |
| 01:09.34 | ckknight | NeoTron: I don't get the reference |
| 01:10.25 | NeoTron | some particularily crafty nazi's made lampshades and maybe other things from the skin of dead jews (or other dead PoW's), especially if they got cool tatoos |
| 01:10.37 | NeoTron | rather nasty and distasteful practice |
| 01:10.42 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:10.47 | ckknight | I got a fun one |
| 01:10.58 | thul | that is why my seargant called me "ey lampshade!" in the army |
| 01:11.01 | thul | (I'm jewish) |
| 01:11.15 | NeoTron | they also made human soap |
| 01:11.34 | ckknight | in the U-boats, other boats could hear leather shoes tapping on the metal, so they crafted special shoes out of Jewish hair. |
| 01:11.55 | trh | NeoTron: that's a myth |
| 01:11.59 | Droolio | the soap story is supposedly a myth |
| 01:12.27 | trh | there were some scientists trying to do it, but it was never done industrially |
| 01:12.30 | ckknight | but imagine how great that soap would've been. |
| 01:12.41 | trh | the myth originated in the slang-word for the (bad soap) back in the days |
| 01:12.42 | Dashkal | ew |
| 01:12.50 | ckknight | you'd never get so clean from something that was once so dirty. |
| 01:13.10 | thul | well, they did use human fat for soap, just in very small amounts in the camps. |
| 01:13.19 | thul | no industrial production, true, but that is still true that they made soap :-P |
| 01:13.29 | Kilroo | Well, I believe I just convinced myself of why it makes sense that a SilverDragon type mod should not be done as a HandyNotes module. |
| 01:13.32 | NeoTron | I never said they did it on industrial scale |
| 01:13.51 | NeoTron | but it was experimented with in all likelyhood |
| 01:14.27 | Kilroo | Unfortunately (at least, perhaps unfortunately), in the process, I convinced myself that it very likely -should- be done the same way as gathering professions. |
| 01:14.30 | trh | yea.. it's btw the same thing with the lampshades from human skin |
| 01:15.00 | NeoTron | trh: for all I recall it was this one officer with this particular home decor taste |
| 01:15.03 | NeoTron | SS officer I think |
| 01:15.29 | thul | TOTENKOPF! |
| 01:15.39 | trh | NeoTron: supposedly the wife of a commander of a camp, but the sources are very unreliable |
| 01:15.54 | Droolio | what addon lets users produce a list of their addons and version numbers? |
| 01:16.23 | Skellum | i truely hate the cant use vehicles bug |
| 01:16.53 | NivFreak | eh? |
| 01:16.53 | thul | However, by the end of 1942 the division had experienced virtually a complete turnover in personnel. The high casualty rates meant by late 1943 virtually none of the original cadre were left. However, while the division's record in the brutal Eastern Front fighting to follow is quite clean, its reputation lingered. In 1945 the members of the division were turned over by the Americans to the Soviets after their surrender at Linz. This implied a virtual death s |
| 01:17.03 | thul | is it just me that think the language there is a bit repetetive? |
| 01:17.38 | trh | btw: the myth about the soap originated in the abbrevation printed on the soap "RJF" - it was claimed to be for "reines judenfett" ("pure jew fat") - which was wrong |
| 01:18.02 | NeoTron | Ilse Koch |
| 01:18.21 | Stanzilla | german history lesson channel? |
| 01:18.34 | NeoTron | trh: yes so I am aware (I read wikipedia too ;-) |
| 01:18.41 | trh | Stanzilla: hehe.. those do only exist in the uk, do they? ;) |
| 01:18.55 | Stanzilla | I hope so |
| 01:19.05 | Stanzilla | it's like..not needed |
| 01:19.10 | trh | NeoTron: actually i knew that from history in school =) |
| 01:19.10 | NeoTron | regardless whether or not they actually made human skin artifacts, they did keep "interesting skin" from dead inmates |
| 01:19.44 | NeoTron | which by itself is pretty sick |
| 01:20.10 | trh | NeoTron: absolutely true |
| 01:20.23 | Zhinjio | in japan, there are whole skins from very decorated (tattooed) rulers preserved. Its actually too bad its illegal over here. |
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| 01:20.45 | Zhinjio | actually, more than japan, pretty much all the asian countries allow that, I think |
| 01:20.54 | Zhinjio | I need to not troll |
| 01:21.12 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 01:21.17 | Dashkal | Zhinjio: that'd disqualify you from the channel :p |
| 01:21.24 | Zhinjio | hahahaha |
| 01:21.30 | Zhinjio | not trolling? Yeah, true dat. |
| 01:22.30 | trh | luckily we don't have bridges in this channel ;) |
| 01:22.47 | trh | otherwise we'd have to pay alot to pass it;) |
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| 01:23.30 | Dashkal | Don't give the opers ideas. +m the channel and 5g for +v :p |
| 01:24.42 | ckknight | lol, Dashkal |
| 01:24.44 | *** mode/#wowace [-v Dashkal] by ckknight |
| 01:25.03 | Dashkal | :p I never had +v in here |
| 01:25.13 | trh | and as long as we don't have +m it doesn't matter anyway ;) |
| 01:25.23 | Dashkal | waits for it |
| 01:26.46 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:26.53 | trh | won't happen ;) |
| 01:27.12 | trh | whoever does it will get spanked by kaelten ;) |
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| 01:27.31 | trh | unless kaelten does it himself... then we're screwed ;) |
| 01:27.56 | Dashkal | :p; |
| 01:28.27 | ckknight | Kaelten|away: do it. |
| 01:28.55 | trh | he's the reasonable one ;) |
| 01:29.27 | Dashkal | I'm not _entirely_ convinced of that |
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| 01:31.04 | NeoTron | so my new computer is built and has passed initial QC |
| 01:31.10 | NeoTron | I hope that means it'll be shipped tomorrow |
| 01:31.12 | Zhinjio | sweet |
| 01:31.19 | trh | dell? |
| 01:31.21 | Zhinjio | ah, pre-built box. |
| 01:31.33 | NeoTron | cyberpowerpc |
| 01:31.41 | trh | mkay |
| 01:31.48 | Zhinjio | sometime I'll have money to build another box, and do it up right |
| 01:31.54 | NeoTron | I hope it's good but has heard some good review from a friend |
| 01:32.30 | NeoTron | although if I did it again I'd pay for expedited shipping. I think the xmas season and lack of doign that meant a delay in shipping (day 17 from order right now) |
| 01:35.00 | thul | http://fc09.deviantart.com/fs36/i/2008/287/3/0/inside_your_heart_shaped_box__by_daidre.jpg <- that was just cute. The most beautiful girl I have seen in some days (SAFE FOR WORK) |
| 01:39.50 | NivFreak | she's 9 |
| 01:39.58 | thul | ofc not, she is more like 19 |
| 01:40.01 | NivFreak | 10 |
| 01:40.06 | thul | and that is quite alright. 19 is a good age :-P |
| 01:40.22 | NivFreak | 10 + makeup |
| 01:40.24 | trh | i don't think she hit puberty yet |
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| 01:40.35 | trh | the cheek bones aren't developed |
| 01:40.53 | thul | ... she is 19 :-P ffs :-) you guys did not even believe my exes sister was over 12, and she is 22 :-P |
| 01:41.05 | thul | you are useless at telling age :-D that is it. |
| 01:41.31 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Changed the "Getting Started" for LibQTipClick. Tell me if it makes sense, wouldya? |
| 01:42.20 | trh | thul: but she looks like 12 |
| 01:42.43 | thul | pfft, you think she does :-P but nuff said, chew on this instead: http://fc86.deviantart.com/fs38/f/2008/350/b/b/_Prison__by_Ophelias_Overdose.jpg she is above 20 :-P |
| 01:43.23 | trh | that does look wrong... very wrong |
| 01:44.16 | Zhinjio | Torhal: I'll take a look |
| 01:45.14 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Danke. |
| 01:45.21 | ckknight | thul: the eyes bother me |
| 01:45.28 | Zhinjio | much more than before. |
| 01:45.32 | Zhinjio | I get it this time. *grin* |
| 01:45.48 | Torhal | Woot. |
| 01:45.50 | Zhinjio | but like I said before, i mostly blame my cellprovider ignorance to my lack of understanding last time |
| 01:46.34 | Torhal | Eh, the cellprovider is in the guts of the library. You shouldn't need to understand 'em to use this one, especially after I modify LibQTip to have a tooltip:SetDefaultCellProvider() |
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| 01:52.56 | Skellum | stupid people not knowing the value of damaged necklaces >_< |
| 01:53.14 | trh | got 2 for 8g each in the AH at 8am ;) |
| 01:54.55 | Torhal | Heh. Just found an addon on WoWI that has only a German description. |
| 01:55.53 | Skellum | nice |
| 01:56.08 | Skellum | Some china farmer or ESL person keeps posting them on our AH for 600-700 |
| 01:56.16 | Skellum | He posts 2 on one alt, and 2 on another alt |
| 01:56.27 | Skellum | and then changes it around periodically |
| 01:56.45 | Funkeh` | Anyone know if it's possible to turn off a laptops auto-clock when it reaches critical temperature? |
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| 01:57.12 | trh | Funkeh`: auto-clock? |
| 01:57.27 | Funkeh` | it clocks down to reduce temperature |
| 01:57.33 | trh | ah |
| 01:58.24 | trh | but why would you turn it off if the laptop gets to warm? |
| 01:58.36 | trh | it usually to cool them |
| 01:58.45 | trh | keep them cool is probably more correct |
| 01:59.02 | Funkeh` | because mine is sitting at 89 |
| 01:59.06 | thul | I think I have an idea for my next tattoo kind of |
| 01:59.08 | Funkeh` | and frequently bounces of 90 |
| 01:59.21 | Funkeh` | but 90 is it's auto clock limit, and it's kiling any sort of gameplay |
| 01:59.34 | sylvanaar | better than killing the cpu |
| 01:59.37 | trh | Funkeh`: you got a intel cpu? |
| 01:59.42 | Funkeh` | amd |
| 01:59.47 | trh | hm |
| 02:00.02 | sylvanaar | put laptop on 2 pencils |
| 02:00.15 | Funkeh` | sylvanaar, I have a laptop cooler under it |
| 02:00.26 | Gnarfoz | turn it on, then. |
| 02:00.27 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 02:00.30 | trh | how the heck could it get to 90°C then? |
| 02:00.51 | Funkeh` | it gets to 90 because the graphics card somewhat pushes the cpu there |
| 02:01.21 | Funkeh` | running 2 cpus at near 100% and a gcard at near 100 seems to topple it to 90 |
| 02:01.36 | sylvanaar | cut a hole in the case |
| 02:01.37 | Funkeh` | yet the HD seems to keep cool at 37 |
| 02:01.39 | Funkeh` | so fk knows |
| 02:01.51 | Funkeh` | sylvanaar, ... |
| 02:02.05 | Funkeh` | the thing is I'm ok with it at 90 |
| 02:02.10 | Funkeh` | and it will go down because of the cooler |
| 02:02.15 | Funkeh` | 89-90 |
| 02:02.21 | Funkeh` | I just want rid of the auto clock panick |
| 02:02.31 | trh | Funkeh`: usually you can disable it in the bios |
| 02:02.43 | Funkeh` | yeah, this laptops bios has fuck all |
| 02:02.46 | trh | Funkeh`: (the speed stepping overall) |
| 02:02.51 | trh | there was also a nice software for it |
| 02:02.55 | trh | but i can't find it |
| 02:03.23 | Kilroo | grumbles irritably at Curse's Fail. |
| 02:03.36 | ckknight | Kilroo: hrm? |
| 02:03.59 | Skellum | I'm so happy to be done with the Kalu'ak rep, My sick fascination with wilford brimly died with it |
| 02:04.15 | Kilroo | Just not fond of their addon page layout in comparison to WoWI. |
| 02:05.15 | Dashkal | Skellum: It appears my guild leader isn't the only one to make that connection |
| 02:05.55 | Skellum | Everytime Id go in there..all I could think was, DIABETUS! |
| 02:06.35 | trh | Funkeh`: found it - try http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml |
| 02:06.58 | Dashkal | woot, home time |
| 02:07.53 | Funkeh` | trh, thats what I'm using now, but I can't get my head around if it has such a feature, or if I'm overlooking it in the vast aray of features |
| 02:08.21 | trh | Funkeh`: i think you can disable the whole dynamic speed thingy |
| 02:08.42 | trh | Funkeh`: if it's still activated it might be really a protection from the cpu from overheating |
| 02:08.54 | trh | Funkeh`: in which case cutting holes would be the only solution ;) |
| 02:08.59 | Repo | 10onebank3: 03Kaelten * r17 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added tag v3.0.4-beta for changeset cf3e98922835 |
| 02:09.02 | Repo | inc version |
| 02:09.04 | Repo | code cleanup |
| 02:09.06 | Repo | fix bug on 261 |
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| 02:10.12 | Funkeh` | trh, hmm found a post that might be interesting |
| 02:17.40 | ckknight | protip: after tazing small children, vacate the premises |
| 02:19.24 | Bruners | funny how this connection application tells me i got 1.2mb/s but in reallity im getting 200kB/s |
| 02:22.28 | Arrowmaster | Bruners: bits vs bytes |
| 02:23.13 | Arrowmaster | http://www.google.com/search?q=1.2+megabits+per+second+in+kilobytes+per+second |
| 02:23.20 | Arrowmaster | 1.2 (megabits per second) = 153.6 kilobytes per second |
| 02:23.34 | Skellum | Advice dog gives out the best advice from what i've seen |
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| 02:25.06 | Arrowmaster | ive double checked all of googles bit and byte conversions before to make sure they were using the proper base for each and they were so i trust them |
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| 02:33.29 | RaydenUni | i thought i read at some point that LW was getting bracer enchants because there were none |
| 02:33.35 | RaydenUni | but there are bracer enchants |
| 02:33.41 | RaydenUni | where does this confusion come from? |
| 02:33.55 | Bruners | maby belt enchant? |
| 02:34.01 | Kilroo | Hm. |
| 02:34.12 | RaydenUni | are there new LW belt enchants? |
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| 02:34.14 | Kilroo | Something on Curse appears to be screwy with HandyNotes_FlightMasters. |
| 02:34.25 | RaydenUni | were there no good bracer melee enchants? |
| 02:34.29 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: me begin silly again then :P i still think its cheating and faulty advertisement :P |
| 02:34.50 | ckknight | I got a question |
| 02:35.05 | ckknight | how are custom unit frames supposed to cope with the right-click set focus thing? |
| 02:35.14 | Bruners | they cant |
| 02:35.15 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowinsider.com/tag/leatherworking-enchant/ |
| 02:35.16 | Bruners | yet |
| 02:35.21 | RaydenUni | this must be my source of confusion |
| 02:35.34 | Arrowmaster | i thought part of the secure frames templates added the right click thing |
| 02:35.53 | Bruners | ckknight: blizzard know about that bug afaik |
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| 02:43.25 | RaydenUni | has anyone made a list of good DK outlands dungeon drops? |
| 02:43.27 | RaydenUni | for leveling? |
| 02:43.37 | Bruners | wow-loot.com |
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| 02:50.04 | Kilroo | Discouraging. It's not as readily obvious how to go about adding something new to Gathermate as it is for HandyNotes. Probably because HandyNotes is meant to be extensible and GatherMate is meant to do everything you want to do with it already... |
| 02:50.22 | Arrowmaster | correct |
| 02:50.29 | Arrowmaster | what did you want to add to it? |
| 02:52.27 | Kilroo | Over the course of the past several days, I have gone from thinking of adding HandyNotes support to SilverDragon, to thinking of writing HandyNotes_Rares, to thinking of writing (essentially) HandyNotes_AnythingYouFindInMultiplePlaces, to concluding that handling those sorts of things in a different way (and thus in GatherMate instead of HandyNotes) does make sense after all. |
| 02:52.48 | Arrowmaster | no it does not |
| 02:52.53 | Arrowmaster | gathermate is not the place for that |
| 02:53.20 | Kilroo | Gathermate is not the place for herbs and mining veins? |
| 02:53.33 | Arrowmaster | no it is, which it already supports |
| 02:53.49 | Arrowmaster | its not the place for stuff like rare spawns though |
| 02:54.21 | Bruners | rare's have nothing to do with gathering |
| 02:54.30 | Arrowmaster | gathermate has everything it needs |
| 02:55.46 | Kilroo | sighs. |
| 02:59.03 | Kilroo | Rare sightings, speaking in terms of a data model, bear more resemblance to chest, vein, and herb nodes than to the one-thing-at-one-location type of information dealt with in HandyNotes. |
| 02:59.41 | doom0r | importing the data maybe |
| 03:00.16 | Arrowmaster | if you dont like the way the data is stored or something change the db in your own handynotes plugin |
| 03:00.37 | Arrowmaster | rare sightings will never be in gathermate |
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| 03:01.27 | Kilroo | And picobuttons doesn't have tooltips, but mine do. |
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| 03:09.21 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 07waypoints * r140 FlightHUD.lua: Collaborate with myself |
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| 03:17.43 | Primer | everything would be so much easier if Linux was the predominant OS (Yes, I know Linux is a kernel) |
| 03:18.18 | Primer | for example, I code my addon using eclipse on my Linux box, but editing the files mounted over SMB |
| 03:19.11 | Kilroo | ...That's right, doesn't Eclipse on Windows have some strange issues working with network drives? |
| 03:19.30 | Primer | I wouldn't know |
| 03:19.36 | Primer | I don't use eclipse on windows |
| 03:19.40 | Kilroo | Oh. |
| 03:19.45 | Primer | only thing running on windows is WoW |
| 03:19.47 | Kilroo | I'm not sure I understand your example then. |
| 03:20.53 | Primer | the addon and wow are on my windows box, and the filesystem is exported over SMB to Linux, where I use eclipse to edit the files |
| 03:21.01 | Primer | ctrl-s...wait...wait... |
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| 03:21.11 | Primer | have to wait like 5 seconds for the file to save |
| 03:21.47 | Kilroo | Ahhhh. |
| 03:21.53 | Kilroo | Gotcha. |
| 03:21.57 | Primer | at work, I actually have my addon in my NFS home directory, and saving the file is always instantaneous |
| 03:22.07 | Primer | but at work everything is Linux |
| 03:22.28 | Primer | only thing is that playing wow in wine isn't always optimal |
| 03:24.43 | Kilroo | I haven't noticed any problems with it, but then again, if I'm remembering the order of events correctly, I upgraded my computer twice between the last time I played WoW on Windows and when I picked it back up on Linux. |
| 03:28.59 | Primer | My work box doesn't have enough memory to run everything I need while running wow in wine |
| 03:29.10 | Primer | so it ends up swapping a lot |
| 03:29.21 | Kilroo | Ah. |
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| 03:39.50 | Kilroo | Ah. I think I have a better idea for my rare-sighting-tracker needs than any of the ones I'd come up with thus far. |
| 03:40.11 | Kilroo | Ought to give me a good starting point for my project, at any rate. |
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| 03:44.14 | Hjalte | Anyone using BadgeWatch in WoTLK? |
| 03:44.37 | Hjalte | It doesn't seem to work for me. Doesn't whisper anyone, it should have been updated though :) |
| 03:53.08 | Jygga | which addon would you suggest for storing button bar population ? |
| 03:53.37 | Groktar | we managed to hit malygos' enrage before p3 started |
| 03:53.42 | Groktar | with 23 people up |
| 03:53.43 | Groktar | lol |
| 03:55.14 | quiescens | time to tell people to l2dps? |
| 03:55.24 | Groktar | lagfest |
| 03:55.48 | Jygga | sth like Action Bar Saver 2 ? |
| 04:02.21 | ckknight | I wish lua had proper tuples |
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| 04:11.44 | doom0r | i think my hunters new pet name is gonna be Mouse-over |
| 04:12.07 | ckknight | shudders |
| 04:12.18 | doom0r | cowtip inspired :) |
| 04:12.29 | doom0r | dogtag lag ftl |
| 04:12.48 | quiescens | party5pet imo |
| 04:12.49 | ckknight | ...gnomes |
| 04:13.03 | Arrowmaster | doom0r: lol does that actually cause issues? |
| 04:13.19 | ckknight | nah, it wouldn't, Arrowmaster |
| 04:13.21 | ckknight | just look funny |
| 04:13.40 | doom0r | no, when dogtag takes too long you see Mouse-over in cowtip |
| 04:13.41 | ckknight | in an ironic aside, I'm actually hacking on PitBull 4 now :-P |
| 04:13.44 | Arrowmaster | well you cant use - in pet names anyway can you |
| 04:14.00 | doom0r | ckknight: please do not make everything relational positioning |
| 04:14.04 | doom0r | free float |
| 04:14.08 | doom0r | like DUF |
| 04:14.09 | Repo | 10vanas-ko-s: 03xilcoy * r308 modules/Importer.lua: Fixed bug in importing skmap events |
| 04:14.18 | ckknight | doom0r: eh, why? |
| 04:14.20 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: are you still trying to use that silly programming style? |
| 04:14.23 | ckknight | sure am |
| 04:14.27 | Arrowmaster | eww |
| 04:14.37 | doom0r | because it's nice to not have a portrait taking 1/4 of your frame |
| 04:14.40 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all. |
| 04:15.27 | ckknight | trying to use this programming style does make me hate lua more and more |
| 04:15.29 | Arrowmaster | ok, it is of my oppion that that style is inefficient since you are purposely spreading everything out info more and more functions instead of making more complex functions |
| 04:16.01 | Arrowmaster | is that better? |
| 04:16.06 | ckknight | yes, actually |
| 04:16.10 | ckknight | and I do get what you say |
| 04:16.14 | ckknight | the idea is to attain maintainability and readability |
| 04:16.38 | Arrowmaster | with how pitbull3 and dogtags are i think its better to focus on performance |
| 04:16.40 | doom0r | ckknight: if you allow free positioning, you can accomplish something other than freaking 2 bars and a block, like this: http://i35.tinypic.com/b47oec.jpg |
| 04:16.40 | ckknight | this style would be a lot better if lua had proper ways to do a filter/map/reduce, though |
| 04:17.12 | ckknight | doom0r: the issue with an absolute style like that is what about bars that come and go? |
| 04:17.23 | Bruners | how is mouse over cowtip inspired? |
| 04:17.38 | doom0r | what bars that come and go? |
| 04:17.47 | Arrowmaster | cast bars |
| 04:17.52 | Arrowmaster | bars for pets |
| 04:17.59 | Arrowmaster | (some pets dont have mana bars) |
| 04:18.00 | doom0r | pets are seperate frames |
| 04:18.20 | ckknight | there's an option in PitBull to not show the power bar if they don't use mana |
| 04:18.21 | doom0r | cast bars shouldn't be part of the scope of a unit frame |
| 04:18.27 | ckknight | e.g. don't show the rage/energy bar |
| 04:18.51 | doom0r | ckknight: duf does it too |
| 04:18.58 | ckknight | does what? |
| 04:19.07 | doom0r | hides the mana bar if the unit doesn't use it |
| 04:19.18 | ckknight | but if it's absolute, what fills the space? |
| 04:19.20 | doom0r | it's a toggle |
| 04:19.36 | doom0r | no need |
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| 04:20.06 | ckknight | so you have dead space? |
| 04:20.23 | doom0r | nope, everything has a bar of some sort |
| 04:21.30 | ckknight | so what shows if the unit has no mana? |
| 04:21.32 | doom0r | you can anchor things to other things, but that doesn't mean you _can't_ use absolute positioning beyond that |
| 04:21.38 | ckknight | hrm |
| 04:22.22 | doom0r | i don't see the point in hiding a power bar, when everything uses one |
| 04:22.53 | ckknight | say you're someone who wants to see your party's health and mana, but not their rage/energy/runicpower |
| 04:22.56 | Arrowmaster | not everything does though |
| 04:23.07 | quiescens | I prefer to have my frames look consistent |
| 04:23.13 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 5911b48 / (6 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] add Options, doesn't do much, but it does allow positioning of bars. |
| 04:23.18 | Arrowmaster | like i said some pets (vehicles or things you possess) dont have power bars |
| 04:23.20 | quiescens | rather than have everything that isn't applicable inexplicably disappear |
| 04:23.29 | doom0r | ^ |
| 04:23.31 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: and some monsters |
| 04:23.44 | Arrowmaster | actually a lot of mobs |
| 04:24.03 | doom0r | it'd only look ugly to have the empty space if you have 2 _huge_ bars and nothing else |
| 04:24.07 | Bruners | pb4 in the works now? |
| 04:24.16 | doom0r | there's a million and two addons that do 2 huge bars already |
| 04:24.19 | sztanpet | been in the works for a while |
| 04:24.25 | doom0r | oUF_takeyourpic |
| 04:24.34 | ckknight | Bruners: my itch started going tonight. |
| 04:25.09 | doom0r | and if you parent everything to another, it's more difficult to tell what a bar is for |
| 04:25.21 | sztanpet | i just hope it will be able to copy the settings of pb3 |
| 04:25.31 | ckknight | sztanpet: unlikely. |
| 04:25.40 | sztanpet | aw |
| 04:25.48 | ckknight | sztanpet: the idea is for you to take 5 minutes to config rather than 2 hours, though |
| 04:25.53 | ckknight | :-P |
| 04:25.58 | Skellum | And just when i finally get pitbull to where i like it :( |
| 04:26.06 | ckknight | I have drag-and-drop goodness |
| 04:26.11 | ckknight | lemme say this now |
| 04:26.11 | Skellum | Oooo |
| 04:26.15 | Bruners | not hard to set up anyway |
| 04:26.16 | ckknight | don't upgrade to pitbull4. |
| 04:26.28 | ckknight | k |
| 04:27.01 | sztanpet | meh, when thers a beta i will tho! |
| 04:27.06 | sztanpet | you cant stop me! |
| 04:27.28 | ckknight | k |
| 04:27.33 | Bruners | he can :p |
| 04:27.42 | doom0r | i can come close to mimicing my DUF frames with ag_uf and pimpster |
| 04:27.43 | ckknight | actually, if you want to see what I have, that's cool |
| 04:27.52 | ckknight | but it's nowhere near ready for production |
| 04:28.13 | sztanpet | anyway i didnt have that big of a problem with the conf time in pb3, i saw why it was needed and i personally couldnt think of a way to make it so configurable and fast to configure at the same time |
| 04:28.42 | ckknight | sztanpet: better options layout, imo |
| 04:28.42 | doom0r | the damn tree is just too much |
| 04:28.56 | doom0r | DUF has a million and two optiosn also, but it's laid out easier |
| 04:28.59 | sztanpet | might help, yea |
| 04:29.43 | Bruners | easy layout sharing is needed |
| 04:29.57 | sztanpet | so its in a workable state, this pb4 huh |
| 04:30.03 | Skellum | i always seem to have trouble sharing my layouts |
| 04:30.04 | ckknight | sztanpet: it has a health and power bar. |
| 04:30.15 | ckknight | the layout system is a lot better designed |
| 04:30.24 | ckknight | i.e. there are defined layouts instead of ad hoc layouts |
| 04:30.47 | sztanpet | nice, im bored anyway so lets see |
| 04:30.58 | sztanpet | @project pitbull4 |
| 04:30.59 | Repo | sztanpet: http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/. PitBull Unit Frames 4.0. Game: WoW. ckknight (Manager/Author). Updated: 6 minutes ago |
| 04:32.56 | sztanpet | aw, i need libsimpleoptions and its not bundled :( |
| 04:33.15 | ckknight | soz |
| 04:33.21 | ckknight | pitbull4 started before .pkgmeta |
| 04:34.34 | Bruners | bleh, i hate 0530 tv |
| 04:34.57 | Bruners | always fishing crap |
| 04:35.52 | sztanpet | ooh shiny |
| 04:36.07 | Skellum | its a wonder infomercials dont try to target gamers |
| 04:36.17 | Skellum | except for those 5 hour energy jerks |
| 04:36.30 | ckknight | sztanpet: check out the options frame, the bars are drag and drop |
| 04:36.46 | sztanpet | there isnt anything in there, am i missing something |
| 04:37.02 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 04:37.05 | ckknight | go to layout |
| 04:37.09 | ckknight | it's a sub-thing |
| 04:37.51 | sztanpet | yea, i see that but nothings in there just a white border |
| 04:38.17 | ckknight | odd |
| 04:38.19 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 04:38.23 | ckknight | it's not done |
| 04:38.29 | Bruners | you want bug reports btw? not that i have tested it yet |
| 04:38.56 | ckknight | any errors? |
| 04:39.00 | ckknight | no, not yet, Bruners |
| 04:39.36 | sztanpet | oh thats right i disabled errors, lemme check |
| 04:41.34 | sztanpet | nope, none |
| 04:42.45 | ckknight | weird |
| 04:42.49 | ckknight | I'm not sure, then |
| 04:43.17 | sztanpet | /pitbull4 gives libsimpleoptions-1.0.lua:916 attemt to call global interfaceoptionsframe_opentoframe a nil value |
| 04:43.25 | ckknight | ah |
| 04:43.42 | ckknight | what version of lso did you get? |
| 04:44.38 | Bruners | lso does what? |
| 04:44.45 | ckknight | Bruners: easy way to create options controls |
| 04:44.47 | sztanpet | r79548-nolib |
| 04:45.06 | ckknight | upgrade, sztanpet |
| 04:45.35 | sztanpet | @project libsimpleoptions |
| 04:45.36 | Repo | sztanpet: No project found that matches 'libsimpleoptions' |
| 04:45.43 | sztanpet | @project lib-simple-options |
| 04:45.44 | Repo | sztanpet: No project found that matches 'lib-simple-options' |
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| 04:45.49 | sztanpet | god |
| 04:45.55 | ckknight | libsimpleoptions-1-0 |
| 04:46.06 | sztanpet | meh, i searched it in the meantime |
| 04:46.29 | sztanpet | curseclient cant find a newer version tho |
| 04:47.12 | Groktar | had to give up on malygos |
| 04:47.24 | Groktar | every time we'd hit p2 there would just be crazy lag |
| 04:47.30 | ckknight | @project libsimpleoptions-1-0 |
| 04:47.31 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/projects/libsimpleoptions-1-0/. LibSimpleOptions-1.0. Game: WoW. ckknight (Manager/Author). Updated: 61 days ago. Tickets: 1/2 |
| 04:47.35 | ckknight | sztanpet: curse client sucks donkey balls, then |
| 04:47.47 | Shefki | ^^ |
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| 04:48.21 | ckknight | hey Shefki |
| 04:48.47 | Bruners | think its the datasource that sucks |
| 04:49.12 | ckknight | yea, people are working on that |
| 04:49.16 | ckknight | the 2.1 series is a lot better |
| 04:49.18 | ckknight | supposedly |
| 04:49.25 | sztanpet | ooh, yea i can see the potential now |
| 04:50.01 | ckknight | sztanpet: it's working for you? |
| 04:50.07 | sztanpet | yea |
| 04:50.42 | Shefki | Heya ck. |
| 04:51.07 | sztanpet | some grid view with up-down-left-right arrows for exact positioning should be cool too |
| 04:52.32 | sztanpet | the idea is to drag and drop the stuff youd like to have inside the options window btw? |
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| 04:53.21 | RaydenUni | how do you keep up rip and savage roar? |
| 04:53.27 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 9f1a0b7 / (4 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] possibly fix up .pkgmeta. Fix an issue in options. |
| 04:53.40 | ckknight | sztanpet: correct |
| 04:53.54 | ckknight | sztanpet: everything's relative, btw, so exact positioning isn't really an option... |
| 04:54.05 | ckknight | at least, that's how it is currently. |
| 04:56.12 | sztanpet | i wasnt only thinking about sub-things like buff positioning, but the whole deal |
| 04:59.30 | Repo | 10libitembonus-2-0: 03fenlis * r62 LibItemBonus-2.0/locales/koKR.lua: LibItemBonus-2.0 : Fixes koKR locale |
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| 05:08.41 | sztanpet | Groktar, same with us btw, came back after 23:00 with 22 people, and oneshotted it |
| 05:08.57 | sztanpet | had the same thing with naxx to, thaddius unplayable |
| 05:09.15 | sztanpet | no idea how we got patchwerk down either |
| 05:09.40 | sztanpet | and the funny thing is, other guild dont have _any_ lag |
| 05:09.42 | sztanpet | whats up with that |
| 05:09.52 | ckknight | addon spamming? |
| 05:10.18 | sztanpet | we thought of that, even tried disabling recount |
| 05:10.45 | sztanpet | the only other thing spamming was dotimer |
| 05:13.01 | Hjalte | Yeah, I don't think its addons. I've had spamfu running for some nights. |
| 05:13.16 | Hjalte | We are also experiencing lag in 25-man boss fights. |
| 05:15.02 | sztanpet | the gm said they know about the issue and are working on it |
| 05:19.50 | Hjalte | sztanpet: I just find it strange that they haven't mentioned it at all on the forum. It's bad in every 25-man I'm in. |
| 05:20.06 | sztanpet | exactly what we were thinking |
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| 05:20.32 | sztanpet | they are either deleting everything related or only a few are having issues |
| 05:27.09 | Skellum | Tommorow should potentialy be a patch |
| 05:27.20 | sztanpet | i hope so |
| 05:27.41 | sztanpet | i looted a druid staff for my hunter for minimal dkp and plan to use it |
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| 05:29.51 | Jaxon | So whenever I use Fresh Holly on my mount, I get dismounted. |
| 05:30.04 | sztanpet | hahah |
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| 05:30.14 | sztanpet | i dont event bother |
| 05:31.53 | RaydenUni | why sztanpet ? |
| 05:31.57 | RaydenUni | after the patch? |
| 05:32.10 | sztanpet | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/december/feralstaffcomparison.jpg |
| 05:32.19 | sztanpet | yea, the undeath carrier if your interested |
| 05:32.33 | RaydenUni | so many stats on that staff |
| 05:32.50 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 05:32.53 | RaydenUni | the top is the new one? |
| 05:32.54 | sztanpet | and no haste! huge pluss :D |
| 05:32.56 | RaydenUni | bottom is the old? |
| 05:32.57 | sztanpet | yea |
| 05:33.02 | RaydenUni | you don't want haste? |
| 05:33.10 | sztanpet | none preferably |
| 05:33.13 | RaydenUni | why? |
| 05:33.18 | RaydenUni | screws up rotation? |
| 05:33.46 | sztanpet | as bm with talents im already at 1.4sec steady i need hit and got basically none |
| 05:33.54 | Jygga | i dont get the hit rating stuff, with 367 i should be hitcapped but i miss 15% (white) against the boss dummy Oo |
| 05:34.07 | Antiarc | Dual wielding? |
| 05:34.13 | Jygga | ya :) |
| 05:34.18 | Antiarc | Well there's your answer |
| 05:34.27 | RaydenUni | i can't wait for the patch so i can start using other weapons |
| 05:34.28 | RaydenUni | when is it? |
| 05:34.37 | sztanpet | RaydenUni you cant screw up rotation anymore, you just spam it |
| 05:34.43 | Jygga | that sucks 8/ |
| 05:34.53 | Arrowmaster | you need about 30% hit to hitcap on dual wield |
| 05:34.54 | Antiarc | Dual wield has a 19% miss penalty on white damage |
| 05:34.56 | RaydenUni | ah |
| 05:34.56 | RaydenUni | cool |
| 05:34.59 | Antiarc | 27% |
| 05:35.25 | Antiarc | special/1H hit cap is 8% now, and the 19% penalty makes it 27% to cap |
| 05:35.48 | Antiarc | That's 886 hit rating |
| 05:35.57 | sztanpet | hah |
| 05:36.04 | Arrowmaster | in TBC my friend went for hit then haste when gearing his rogue, and i never saw another rogue that could ever come close to him in dps even when they majorly outgeared him |
| 05:36.04 | Jygga | but ... im an enhancement shaman ! ^^ |
| 05:36.30 | Antiarc | I don't know what the relative value for hit is for enhance shaman |
| 05:37.03 | Jygga | elitistjerk wisdom: Hit cap 341 Draenei, 367 Horde, Expertise rating cap 214 |
| 05:37.41 | Skellum | patch is likely tommorow |
| 05:37.50 | Skellum | Tue+Arena season starting |
| 05:38.03 | sztanpet | amen |
| 05:38.07 | Skellum | Though...it hasnt been on the PTR long, and they're still up |
| 05:38.07 | Jygga | thing is ... i got merely 124 expertise but that boss doesnt dodge at all |
| 05:38.19 | Antiarc | All bosses dodge |
| 05:38.42 | Antiarc | And 367 hit is a bizarre "hit cap" |
| 05:38.44 | Antiarc | Is that for 80? |
| 05:38.50 | Jygga | well i had one now, 1 minute autoattack Oo |
| 05:38.50 | Skellum | or have basic "Miss" which is the first thing hit pushes off the hit table |
| 05:39.06 | quiescens | 367 up from 341 doesn't sound right |
| 05:39.17 | Arrowmaster | miss is the only thing hit pusses of the table |
| 05:39.48 | Antiarc | Jygga: The 367 horde hit cap is for level 70 |
| 05:39.56 | Skellum | ok, I have an hour to study before the tylenol PM knock me out |
| 05:40.07 | Antiarc | An enh shaman needs 754 hit rating to cap at 80 |
| 05:40.42 | Antiarc | 722 if Draenei |
| 05:40.57 | Jygga | but even the updated rawr model calculates 98% white hit for 351 hit rating Oo |
| 05:41.04 | Antiarc | It's wrong? |
| 05:41.11 | Antiarc | I'm a rogue, I know my dual wield |
| 05:41.13 | Antiarc | :P |
| 05:41.14 | Jygga | propably ^^ |
| 05:42.04 | Jygga | Values needed to cap Hit rating at level 70 are 17% total, 14% after raid buffs, or 177 hit rating, 164 for Draenai. If you plan to use Hit Rating consumable food, subtract that from the requirement. At level 80 the caps will be 367 rating or 341 for Draenai. |
| 05:42.25 | sztanpet | 700 sounds insane btw |
| 05:42.30 | Jygga | we get 9% hit by talents as shamans, soooo whaddafack? |
| 05:42.30 | Antiarc | How on earth do they calculate that? |
| 05:42.37 | Antiarc | Oh, I thought it was 6% |
| 05:43.05 | Antiarc | So you need 18% to cap, which is uh, 591 hit rating |
| 05:43.13 | quiescens | 28% miss, -9% = 17% |
| 05:43.14 | Antiarc | It's 32.79 hit rating per 1% |
| 05:43.18 | quiescens | or whatever |
| 05:43.23 | Arrowmaster | for melee hit |
| 05:43.36 | Arrowmaster | spell is different even though they use the same stat |
| 05:43.42 | quiescens | wait the stuff you pasted is for level 70 though jygga |
| 05:44.08 | Antiarc | I mean hell, just hover over your hit rating in your character sheet and add 9% |
| 05:44.13 | Antiarc | If it's > 27% you're capped |
| 05:44.16 | Antiarc | If it's <27% you're not |
| 05:44.41 | quiescens | and I think shamans are back to 6% from talents? |
| 05:44.42 | Jygga | _> 19.70 |
| 05:45.01 | Antiarc | Dual Wield Spec on wowhead reads as 3 ranks of 2% |
| 05:45.01 | Jygga | hmm |
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| 05:45.28 | Jygga | but that would mean that all those elitist jerks are wrong ^^ |
| 05:45.43 | quiescens | you are pasting level 70 data |
| 05:45.44 | Antiarc | The EJ guides aren't always up to date |
| 05:45.46 | quiescens | ~! |
| 05:45.46 | purl | ! is, like, what my big sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not, or what dpkg uses dumbass |
| 05:46.01 | quiescens | the line you specifically pasted directly says "at level 70" |
| 05:46.14 | Antiarc | It looks like shamans get 6% from talents, so you need 21% from hit rating to cap, which is... |
| 05:46.20 | Antiarc | lua> 21 * 32.79 |
| 05:46.21 | lua_bot | Antiarc: 688.59 |
| 05:46.27 | Antiarc | 668 hit rating |
| 05:46.32 | Antiarc | 669 I guess |
| 05:46.47 | Jygga | quiescens the second sentence reads "At level 80" |
| 05:47.00 | Antiarc | The level 80 stuff makes zero sense tbh |
| 05:47.20 | Antiarc | lua> 367 / 32.79 |
| 05:47.21 | lua_bot | Antiarc: 11.192436718512 |
| 05:47.40 | Antiarc | So for that to be accurate you need to get 15.8% hit from talents |
| 05:47.44 | Antiarc | Which I'm pretty sure you don't |
| 05:47.54 | Jygga | which leaves me wondering and disapointed :P |
| 05:48.00 | Arrowmaster | ive heard the EJ rogue info is also completely fucked up |
| 05:48.07 | sztanpet | hunter t7 gives exactly 44 hit rating, and a shitload of mostly unusable haste for bm, how do you guys get to 700? |
| 05:48.13 | quiescens | are they using the same ratings value for both level 70 and level 80? |
| 05:48.14 | Antiarc | The EJ rogue info is pretty up to date |
| 05:48.21 | Antiarc | Nobody is hit capping right now |
| 05:48.31 | sztanpet | ah ok |
| 05:48.32 | Arrowmaster | why not? |
| 05:48.36 | Groktar | well, t7 is only 5 pieces, and it does have sockets |
| 05:48.38 | quiescens | white hit capping isn't all its cracked up to be |
| 05:48.39 | Antiarc | Because there isn't enough hit on gear? |
| 05:48.52 | Antiarc | And for rogues at least, hit past the poison cap isn't worth anywhere near what it was |
| 05:48.57 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * cbc2a0e / (4 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Add CastBar |
| 05:49.00 | quiescens | its not worth outright sacrificing other stats to get hit |
| 05:49.04 | Antiarc | OHO |
| 05:49.08 | Antiarc | I know what that cap is! |
| 05:49.10 | quiescens | purely for white damage |
| 05:49.12 | Antiarc | 17%, the spell cap |
| 05:49.17 | Antiarc | For shocks and stuff |
| 05:49.23 | Arrowmaster | correct |
| 05:49.34 | Skellum | Rogues are kinda bad atm, unless they're exploiting |
| 05:49.44 | Antiarc | So THAT makes sense, except if you have misery or imp FF, subtract 3% |
| 05:49.47 | Arrowmaster | except afaik spell and melee hit use different amount of rating per % |
| 05:50.02 | Groktar | you sure? |
| 05:50.11 | Arrowmaster | they used to 100% sure |
| 05:50.36 | Arrowmaster | lua> 17 * 32.79 |
| 05:50.37 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 557.43 |
| 05:50.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah they do |
| 05:50.52 | Arrowmaster | 446 is 17% for spell hit |
| 05:50.57 | Antiarc | Spell hit is 26.23 per 1% at 80 |
| 05:51.54 | Jygga | 351 > 13.38% spellhit |
| 05:51.54 | Antiarc | That would put the shaman's spell hit at 14%, which is correct for raiding. |
| 05:52.02 | Skellum | btw, you dont really go for 17% hit if you raid |
| 05:52.03 | Jygga | at level 80 |
| 05:52.11 | Skellum | yea, you sit at 14% or so |
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| 05:52.31 | Antiarc | So okay, you want 367 hit rating. That won't cap your white melee attacks, but it caps your spells |
| 05:52.39 | Antiarc | Which is the effective useful cap for shaman, I'd presume |
| 05:52.58 | sztanpet | thats attainable |
| 05:53.00 | Antiarc | You'd need to add another 229 hit rating to white cap past that |
| 05:53.02 | sztanpet | at least |
| 05:53.05 | [SW]Dodge | @ticket xloot-group 4 <- plx vote =D |
| 05:53.06 | Repo | [SW]Dodge: http://www.wowace.com/projects/xloot-group/tickets/4-keymodifier-based-ignore-bop-warning-on-need-greed/. 4 - keymodifier based *ignore bop warning* on need/greed roll. Reported by: Netrox. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 56 seconds ago. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Assignee: Xuerian. Votes: 0. Comments: 0 |
| 05:53.18 | [SW]Dodge | good morning btw =D |
| 05:53.36 | Jygga | well thank you for dissecting my issue :) |
| 05:53.38 | quiescens | I wouldn't want to have people scrambling to try to reach the white hit cap |
| 05:54.01 | quiescens | people would blindly proclaim it as some sort of requirement or something that you *have* to reach |
| 05:54.02 | sztanpet | [SW]Dodge there ya go |
| 05:54.14 | Jygga | i sit at 20% crit due to the hitrating hunt |
| 05:54.32 | quiescens | and then you would get naive dps running around with their white damage hit capped, with 2000ap and 20% crit |
| 05:54.51 | Antiarc | Rogues really latched onto hit rating too hard in TBC |
| 05:55.12 | Antiarc | They completely ignored that it was "this is the cheapest way to improve your DPS", not "this is the only way to improve your DPS" |
| 05:55.15 | Repo | 10vanas-ko-s: 03xilcoy * r309 modules/EventMap.lua: |
| 05:55.18 | Repo | - Fixed broken tooltips in event map when no player level is recorded |
| 05:55.20 | Repo | - Properly zoom icons when cartographer zoom level changes |
| 05:55.21 | quiescens | hit cap this, hit cap that, everyone goes all gaga over hit rating, in the grand scheme of things its whichever combination of stats gives you the best return |
| 05:55.35 | [SW]Dodge | sztanpet: thanks =D |
| 05:55.39 | quiescens | if you can do better dps than everyone with 0 hit, then go for it |
| 05:57.46 | Jygga | another thing im wondering about ... my spell crit is at 14.18% my melee crit is at 19.48. Why does 20 minutes auto attack on a boss dummy give me 14.1% crit ? |
| 05:58.06 | quiescens | you have less effective crit against the boss because its higher level |
| 05:58.08 | Skellum | bad luck? |
| 05:58.18 | quiescens | just like you can crit more against lower level |
| 05:58.22 | Antiarc | Jygga: Bosses have a 4.5% melee crit depression |
| 05:58.30 | Jygga | oh that makes sense :) |
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| 06:02.27 | Slayman | anotha day in the office says 'hi'! |
| 06:06.39 | doom0r | Mikk: properly updating chatter playernames <3 |
| 06:06.56 | Antiarc | That reminds me, I need to tag that latest release |
| 06:09.39 | Repo | 10vanas-ko-s: 03xilcoy * r310 modules/EventMap.lua: |
| 06:09.42 | Repo | Limit cartographer3 icon zooming in event map even more, so the icons don't get |
| 06:09.46 | Repo | too close when cartographer3 is zoomed out. |
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| 06:14.47 | sztanpet | btw anybody wondered what the little picture above the dalaran mailboxes represent, inside the little portal |
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| 06:15.57 | doom0r | a lil |
| 06:16.18 | doom0r | but i'm more interested in the portal i keep seeing in Krasus' Landing |
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| 06:19.14 | zoktar | someone tell me whats wrong here pls, im trying to attach combatfeedback to frame named, self.Health |
| 06:19.19 | zoktar | local cbft = self:CreateFontString(nil, "OVERLAY") |
| 06:19.19 | zoktar | cbft:SetPoint("CENTER", self.Health, "CENTER", 0, 0) |
| 06:19.19 | zoktar | cbft:SetFontObject(GameFontNormal) |
| 06:19.19 | zoktar | self.CombatFeedbackText = cbft |
| 06:20.54 | Antiarc | You don't have width or height set |
| 06:21.13 | Antiarc | You either have to specify width/height, or specify 2+ attach points |
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| 06:22.10 | Slayman | doom0r: so you basically say chatter is better then prat in it's core functionality? |
| 06:22.26 | doom0r | never said anything like that |
| 06:22.44 | doom0r | i've never used prat for more than a couple minutes when 3.0.2 came out |
| 06:22.57 | Slayman | Mikk: [...] chatter [...] <3 |
| 06:23.19 | doom0r | taking it out of context |
| 06:23.23 | doom0r | put the context back in |
| 06:23.33 | Slayman | no context please! |
| 06:23.36 | doom0r | go read the log notes |
| 06:23.41 | doom0r | then reassess |
| 06:23.55 | Slayman | context destroys the best headlines and completely obliterates yellow press! |
| 06:24.12 | doom0r | of which i don't pay attention to at all |
| 06:24.45 | Slayman | neither do I, but that doesn't mean i do not possess the power to destroy context too! |
| 06:25.27 | Slayman | well yeah, i was bored, so I tried to create some response :D |
| 06:26.49 | Repo | 10vanas-ko-s: 03xilcoy * r311 modules/EventMap.lua: |
| 06:26.51 | Repo | Unrolled a loop when searching for nearby points on the event map. It should |
| 06:26.54 | Repo | speed up the search but use more memory, so hopefully "wipe" does what I think. |
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| 06:39.51 | pastamancer | doom0r: that portal is sholazar basin, you get sent there in a flying machine which goes through thoe portal |
| 06:40.34 | doom0r | oic |
| 06:40.45 | doom0r | for a quest or what? |
| 06:41.05 | pastamancer | if you talk to one of the dudes in krasus' landing when you're 66 you can get the quest |
| 06:41.22 | pastamancer | it's just the "hay, go check out this new zone" quest for sholazaar |
| 06:42.59 | Jygga | most intense scripted event evar! |
| 06:43.02 | Jygga | :P |
| 06:45.07 | pastamancer | don't ruin the surprise! |
| 06:46.10 | Skellum | So,, final i thought I had at 7:30am tommorow...isnt till thur :D |
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| 06:52.44 | Slayman | @project auf |
| 06:52.46 | Repo | Slayman: No project found that matches 'auf' |
| 06:54.43 | doom0r | ag_uf? |
| 06:55.16 | Slayman | possibly, friend of mine has severe problems with pb |
| 06:56.37 | Slayman | @project ag_uf |
| 06:56.39 | Repo | Slayman: No project found that matches 'ag_uf' |
| 06:57.40 | Slayman | yeah whatever you say repo, get a grip of proximity to the real name you stupid f* |
| 06:57.58 | Slayman | ~epic fail Repo |
| 06:57.59 | purl | Repo, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Repo, you are that epic failure. |
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| 07:02.23 | pomp1 | how come in ag_unitframes, when I die and like release and zone in, the frame says DEAD without me seeing the colored healthbar? |
| 07:03.43 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r327 modules/TargetCC.lua: - added Shockwave to the CC list |
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| 07:06.46 | Slayman | ~shoot Repo |
| 07:06.47 | purl | ACTION shoots Repo in the foot with a spitwad! |
| 07:06.59 | Slayman | ~botfigh |
| 07:07.01 | Slayman | ~botfight |
| 07:07.02 | purl | I don't know but stop it! |
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| 07:28.50 | Antiarc | ~fail purl |
| 07:28.51 | purl | purl: FAIL! |
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| 07:44.40 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock * r134 / (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 07:44.42 | Repo | add in wrath professions and instances + a over all option for the faction token. Select None to have the addon stop there.. Adjust methods to allow for 4 selections instead of 2. Add in AceEvent3 message when quest automatically completes. |
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| 07:50.42 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock * r135 core.lua: |
| 07:50.52 | Repo | add in a hook to "GetQuestReward()" for quests that we stop at |
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| 08:40.39 | Slayman | name that modular multi-OS torrentclient client again whoever proposed it earlier to me |
| 08:41.25 | Slayman | Slayman: Deluge you idiot |
| 08:46.05 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r138 Core.lua: RaidBuffStatus: |
| 08:46.08 | Repo | - added Elixir of Armor Piercing. |
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| 09:07.34 | Zeksie | Xinhuan: ping |
| 09:07.41 | Xinhuan | hi |
| 09:08.03 | Zeksie | had a small bug with omen last nite. if you prefer a ticket, then fine. but... |
| 09:08.13 | Xinhuan | just say it |
| 09:08.29 | Zeksie | accidentally grabbed one of the bars in combat, right before it ended and when all the bars disappeared, omen got locked onto mouse cursor |
| 09:08.43 | Xinhuan | hmm that shouldn't have happened |
| 09:08.47 | Xinhuan | i made sure it doesn't |
| 09:08.55 | Zeksie | it's only happened the once |
| 09:09.16 | Xinhuan | the bars aren't clickable u see |
| 09:09.23 | Xinhuan | what u really dragged is the background of omen |
| 09:09.32 | Zeksie | yeh, makes sense |
| 09:09.43 | Zeksie | i do the same kinda thing |
| 09:10.22 | Xinhuan | what show/hide settings do u have |
| 09:10.29 | Xinhuan | autocollapse on? |
| 09:10.40 | Zeksie | yes |
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| 09:12.39 | Xinhuan | i'll fix it in 10 min or so |
| 09:12.45 | Zeksie | :) |
| 09:12.55 | Kalroth | Xin4pres |
| 09:14.51 | Xinhuan | apparently i missed 1 frame for setting the onhide script |
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| 09:22.20 | Repo | 10omen-threat-meter: 03Xinhuan 07master * v3.0.4-3-gdcf493f Omen.lua: [+1 commit] Fix Omen getting stuck to the mouse if autocollapse is on and you moved Omen while you are in combat and exited combat during the move. |
| 09:22.34 | Xinhuan | was just a 1-liner fix |
| 09:22.37 | Xinhuan | self.BarList:SetScript("OnHide", stopmoving) |
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| 09:30.43 | sztanpet | its amazing how many people dont know about the built in threat system |
| 09:30.55 | sztanpet | at least they use omen |
| 09:31.53 | Xinhuan | what should i do with Mirror Image (mage skill)? |
| 09:32.01 | Xinhuan | when its casted, your threat goes to negative 5 million |
| 09:32.22 | Xinhuan | temporarily that is |
| 09:35.19 | Antiarc | Just floor threat at 0 |
| 09:36.26 | Xinhuan | -410057408 |
| 09:36.31 | Xinhuan | does this number hold any special significance? |
| 09:36.38 | Xinhuan | your threat is deducted by that amount |
| 09:36.45 | Xinhuan | then readded back when mirror images die |
| 09:37.32 | sztanpet | hah |
| 09:37.37 | EthanCentaurai | maybe it's a bug |
| 09:38.07 | sztanpet | btw why do you have to do something about it |
| 09:38.23 | Xinhuan | when i first coded omen, i assuemd negative threat is impossible |
| 09:38.39 | Xinhuan | and thus internally i used -1 as a special number myself |
| 09:38.48 | Xinhuan | and only displayed threat if its >= 0 |
| 09:39.20 | Xinhuan | -410057408 is really -4100574.08 threat |
| 09:39.25 | Xinhuan | since blizz threat is x100 |
| 09:39.38 | Xinhuan | so if u could do 4.1 mil threat in the 15 secs ;p |
| 09:39.46 | Xinhuan | u could still go back positive lol |
| 09:40.03 | Tinyboom | is it the mage mirror spell threat bug? |
| 09:40.08 | Xinhuan | unsure |
| 09:40.22 | Antiarc | Negative threat is possible |
| 09:40.31 | Xinhuan | explain Antiarc |
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| 09:40.45 | Antiarc | Well, it was anyhow - Fade would reduce a priest's displayed threat below zero if they had less than the amount reduced. |
| 09:41.09 | Antiarc | Fade is just temporary 0 threat now though |
| 09:41.12 | Xinhuan | see that's a bit flawed, the assumption is that threat can't be reduced to 0 |
| 09:41.17 | Xinhuan | reduced below 0 i mean |
| 09:41.33 | Xinhuan | meaning if you were at 0 threat and you feinted, it doesn't put u at -700 threat |
| 09:42.03 | Antiarc | Operationally, assume that permanent reductions can never reduce you below 0 |
| 09:42.06 | Antiarc | But temporary reductions can |
| 09:42.16 | Antiarc | That fits the old fade model and the new mirror image model |
| 09:42.25 | Xinhuan | so does -410057408 ring a bell? |
| 09:42.29 | Antiarc | Not really |
| 09:42.41 | Antiarc | Kind of an odd number. |
| 09:42.42 | dieck | hm. does that means priests would be outfight? ;) |
| 09:44.15 | krka | no, -410057408 can't really be considered an odd number :P |
| 09:44.32 | Xinhuan | clever |
| 09:45.33 | Xinhuan | someone convert that to base 2 pls |
| 09:45.52 | Antiarc | -0b11000011100001111101011000000 |
| 09:46.11 | Xinhuan | what about the positive versin of the number |
| 09:46.24 | Antiarc | 0b11000011100001111101011000000 |
| 09:46.37 | Xinhuan | /facepalm |
| 09:46.43 | Xinhuan | 2s complement blah blah |
| 09:47.06 | Xinhuan | and how would a base 2 number contain a "b" in it |
| 09:47.21 | Shefki | 0b is just a binary marker. |
| 09:47.27 | Antiarc | It's notation indicating it's binary |
| 09:47.31 | Shefki | Like 0x is hex. |
| 09:47.33 | Antiarc | Like 0xFF is "FF" in hex |
| 09:47.37 | dieck | if it starts with a 0 it would be used octal :) |
| 09:47.48 | dieck | I fall for that every time in php :) |
| 09:47.59 | krka | isn't the two complement just inverted bits - 1 |
| 09:48.01 | krka | or + 1 |
| 09:48.06 | krka | some combination of that anyway |
| 09:48.15 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r18 AuctionLite.lua: |
| 09:48.18 | Repo | GetAuctionSellItemLink is now GetAuctionSellItemInfoAndLink. |
| 09:48.21 | Repo | We're a bit more careful about return values from this function. |
| 09:48.24 | Repo | This fixes another pjlworld bug, hopefully. |
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| 09:49.06 | nevcairiel | +1 it is |
| 09:49.19 | Xinhuan | so, i'm not sure if i should really display that you have -410057408 threat |
| 09:49.30 | Xinhuan | (if u do damage it increases correctly) |
| 09:49.33 | krka | anyway, the last bit of an even negative number in 2-complement is 0 |
| 09:49.51 | Antiarc | I suspect they just set it at that so you can't ever pull aggro during the duration |
| 09:49.54 | Lysithea | those beam/rope thingys players run around and use where are they from? |
| 09:50.00 | Antiarc | Though it seems it's be easier to give mirror image a 0 threat mod |
| 09:50.02 | Xinhuan | JC |
| 09:50.10 | Xinhuan | just beam lens, made from 1 green gem |
| 09:50.15 | Lysithea | ty |
| 09:50.18 | Xinhuan | with 40 charges of 30 secs |
| 09:51.20 | Xinhuan | i don't know -410057408 just seems like a weird number to deduct |
| 09:51.38 | Xinhuan | or rather 410057408 |
| 09:52.57 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mirror_Image |
| 09:53.08 | Xinhuan | The Mirror Images inherit the Mage's threat lists, and the Mage also gains a 90M threat reduction debuff like Fade. This makes it useful as a last-ditch threat dump. The images do an average of 15k damage over 30 seconds with no spell power, which is highly useful for single-target DPS in raids and sustained PvP burst. |
| 09:53.27 | quiescens | what is sustained burst |
| 09:53.47 | Xinhuan | well when u cast it, u summon 3 images, they ONLY cast frostbolt and nothing else |
| 09:53.59 | Xinhuan | and these frostbolts do about 300-400 damage each |
| 09:54.07 | Antiarc | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=586 |
| 09:54.08 | p4aved | ~serveralert |
| 09:54.09 | Xinhuan | and you can't control them, they attack a random target |
| 09:54.12 | p4aved | fml |
| 09:54.16 | Antiarc | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=55342 |
| 09:54.19 | Antiarc | Effect #1Apply Aura: Mod Total Threat (Fade) |
| 09:54.20 | Antiarc | Value: -90000000 |
| 09:54.53 | p4aved | ~wowalert |
| 09:54.54 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 09:55.33 | Xinhuan | why does UnitThreatDetailed blah blah |
| 09:55.37 | Xinhuan | return me that weird value then |
| 09:55.48 | Xinhuan | i engaged a mob (body pull) and casted mirror image |
| 09:55.53 | Xinhuan | gave me -410057408 |
| 09:55.57 | Xinhuan | i meleed it for 91 damage |
| 09:56.04 | Xinhuan | and it added 9100 threat |
| 09:56.10 | Xinhuan | to give |
| 09:56.14 | Xinhuan | lua> -410048308 |
| 09:56.14 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: -410048308 |
| 09:56.20 | Xinhuan | well yeah, +9100 that is |
| 09:56.25 | quiescens | .. |
| 09:56.29 | quiescens | lol |
| 09:58.09 | nevcairiel | dont those stupid images sheep as well? |
| 09:58.29 | sztanpet | they should be doing what you do |
| 09:58.35 | Xinhuan | no |
| 09:59.38 | nevcairiel | wowhead claims they do |
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| 09:59.53 | syeren | Mirror Images sheep. |
| 09:59.58 | Xinhuan | well i haven't used it in any pvp situation |
| 10:00.01 | Xinhuan | just pve |
| 10:00.03 | Xinhuan | and on bosses |
| 10:00.08 | Xinhuan | so maybe i'm wrong ;p |
| 10:00.08 | Moriar | hi |
| 10:00.12 | nevcairiel | try on faerlina .p |
| 10:00.19 | Moriar | i'm looking for some help |
| 10:00.23 | Moriar | about addons |
| 10:00.43 | Xinhuan | i did, no sheeps |
| 10:00.48 | Xinhuan | each mirror just randomly attacked an add |
| 10:00.54 | Xinhuan | which was actually bad |
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| 10:01.15 | Moriar | 'r u talking about mages mirrors ? |
| 10:01.18 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 10:01.30 | Moriar | what do u want to know ? |
| 10:01.44 | Moriar | about sheep ? |
| 10:02.01 | Xinhuan | i want to know why a mage's threat is reduced by -410057408 when its casted and whether that number has any significance |
| 10:02.47 | Moriar | mirrors reduce agro ? |
| 10:02.58 | nevcairiel | it doesnt have any significance, just show it as 0 |
| 10:03.00 | Xinhuan | ya works like priest fade |
| 10:03.02 | Moriar | maybe that's juste au problem with the threat metter |
| 10:03.12 | Xinhuan | nope, its what blizzard functions return |
| 10:03.21 | Xinhuan | currently, omen is coded to ignore all threat values < 0 |
| 10:03.32 | Moriar | ahbout sheeps, i'm sure that if there are adds on a boss |
| 10:03.39 | Moriar | mirors will try to sheep it |
| 10:03.48 | Moriar | even if they'r tanked |
| 10:03.50 | nevcairiel | the stupid mirrors kept sheeping the mobs on faerlina, which was bad too =P |
| 10:03.57 | nevcairiel | try to MC a sheep! |
| 10:04.03 | Moriar | yes |
| 10:04.17 | Moriar | i've tanked ferlina (adds) |
| 10:04.31 | Antiarc | Honestly |
| 10:04.32 | Moriar | quand those stupid mirors was sheeping temps |
| 10:04.36 | Antiarc | We just don't bother with MC on her |
| 10:04.45 | Antiarc | Even enraged she doesn't dent our feral tank |
| 10:04.47 | Antiarc | So we just burn her |
| 10:04.59 | nevcairiel | that works fine with our feral too |
| 10:04.59 | Moriar | your tank mus be very well stuffed |
| 10:05.06 | nevcairiel | but he doesnt want to tank every damn raid =P |
| 10:05.09 | Antiarc | Runs about 46k HP buffed |
| 10:05.11 | Moriar | i take several damages when she enrage |
| 10:05.16 | Moriar | lol |
| 10:05.26 | Moriar | 34k hp buffed for myself ^^ |
| 10:05.45 | Moriar | but i'm a warrior si ... druids always have more hp |
| 10:06.41 | Moriar | mmm does anyone have some knowlege (i'm not sure about that word ^^ im french :p) in addons |
| 10:06.52 | Antiarc | ~asktoask |
| 10:06.53 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 10:06.55 | Moriar | i'm looking for some starter courses |
| 10:07.20 | Antiarc | Hm, have any of the tutorials been updated in the last few years? |
| 10:07.24 | Moriar | i've a great idea |
| 10:07.32 | Moriar | about a dkp addon |
| 10:08.58 | Moriar | don't understand your last sentence Antiarc |
| 10:09.09 | Antiarc | I'm just wondering out loud |
| 10:09.12 | Moriar | didn't |
| 10:09.16 | Antiarc | I don't know of any recently updated documentation |
| 10:09.31 | Moriar | oh |
| 10:09.33 | Moriar | k |
| 10:09.40 | dieck | Moriar: for which dkp system? |
| 10:09.44 | Antiarc | wowwiki.com is probably a good place to start |
| 10:10.06 | Moriar | yes, i've read some articles on this |
| 10:11.19 | Moriar | but that's hard ton start with this, i'm looking for something with examples, i don't know how to say it in english |
| 10:11.34 | dieck | I started my SLS dkp addon with http://old.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon - and with the help of this channel it's now useable :) |
| 10:11.38 | Moriar | dieck > an addon which sycronise with a database mysql |
| 10:11.49 | Moriar | to send automaticaly information |
| 10:11.57 | Moriar | when someone in the raid loot something |
| 10:12.02 | Moriar | or when a boss die |
| 10:12.06 | Antiarc | WoW can't communicate with anything outside of WoW unfortunately |
| 10:12.10 | Antiarc | Well |
| 10:12.11 | Moriar | this is for addon part |
| 10:12.11 | Antiarc | The UI can't |
| 10:12.21 | Moriar | and an PHP application |
| 10:12.22 | dieck | Moriar: CT RaidAssist data can be merged into EQDKP or MLDKP web based systems |
| 10:12.23 | Antiarc | Addons can't access the net or a database or anything like that |
| 10:12.39 | sztanpet | the savedvariables dont update until a reloadui too, so it will be a pain |
| 10:12.40 | Moriar | PHP is not a problem for me |
| 10:12.44 | Moriar | argh realy ? |
| 10:12.47 | dieck | Moriar: and getDKP takes EQDKP data and displays it in wow |
| 10:12.49 | Antiarc | yup |
| 10:12.56 | Moriar | and can an addon make a txt file ? |
| 10:13.03 | Antiarc | No |
| 10:13.08 | Moriar | then i will make a C programma to send informations |
| 10:13.37 | dieck | Moriar: again, CT RaidAssist tracks your raid, including pricing information for items, and you can get an xml output for uploading into the web manually (but simple). |
| 10:13.47 | Moriar | mm, i already known eqdkp and ct raid assist |
| 10:14.01 | Antiarc | Addons have no way to get information out of WoW, except to put that information in SavedVariables, but that isn't written to disk until you log out or reload your UI |
| 10:14.05 | Moriar | i though i could make some thing whit no human need |
| 10:14.07 | Moriar | ton work |
| 10:14.14 | Antiarc | There is no good realtime or semi-realtime way to get info out of WoW |
| 10:14.36 | dieck | Moriar: you can write a windows program like the curse, blasc, wowhead uploaders, that checks for wow to end and send the SavedVariables file |
| 10:14.40 | Xinhuan | and its purposely done that way to remove botting |
| 10:14.47 | dieck | Moriar: but that's entirely out-of-WoW |
| 10:15.10 | Moriar | k |
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| 10:15.36 | thul | http://fc10.deviantart.com/fs38/i/2008/351/f/e/Norwegian_Morning_Coffee_by_cainadamsson.jpg |
| 10:15.50 | Repo | 10talented: 03TrAsHeR * r354 Locales/frFR.lua: frFR update |
| 10:15.52 | Moriar | thos savedvariables, are they in a file that can be parsed ? |
| 10:16.10 | dieck | it plain LUA code, so yes |
| 10:16.19 | krka | dieck: Lua is actually a portuguese word and it means "moon" ;-) |
| 10:16.24 | sztanphet | aw, a kitten dies if you say LUA |
| 10:16.43 | dieck | look into your wow-folder / WTF / Account / $name / SavedVariables and open any file in a text editor |
| 10:16.44 | Moriar | sztanpet i thought it was LOL :p |
| 10:17.00 | cladhaire | ~writeluaright |
| 10:17.01 | purl | Lua is a Portuguese word meaning "Moon". More details can be found on the "About Lua" page at http://www.lua.org/about.html#name |
| 10:17.15 | dieck | krka: I'm not familier with portuguese, but thanks, I'll try to remember |
| 10:17.21 | thul | ~norway |
| 10:17.22 | purl | i guess norway is a country in Scandinavia. A beer costs EUR 1,80 there. The capital of Norway is Oslo. And yes norway isn't a member of the EU, or a great skiing nation, or actually it is a great skiing nation, or make sure you know where your towel is before you go |
| 10:17.38 | dieck | krka: maybe that's why I'm feeling in the dark sometimes when (s)crypting Lua ;) |
| 10:17.38 | Shefki | ~sweeden |
| 10:17.39 | fauxpas``` | soo... is that zoom addon any good? :o |
| 10:17.48 | fauxpas``` | ~sweden |
| 10:17.49 | purl | hmm... sweden is cold and wet |
| 10:17.57 | fauxpas``` | ~germany |
| 10:17.57 | purl | hmm... germany is hosting the next World Cup, yes? |
| 10:17.58 | Antiarc | Zoom is so awesome it makes every other addon look horrible |
| 10:17.59 | Antiarc | True story |
| 10:18.07 | Shefki | Bahh. Ruined by a typo. :) |
| 10:18.08 | cladhaire | fauxpas```: download it and check yourself |
| 10:18.10 | dieck | next world cup? outdated, purl ;) |
| 10:18.12 | fauxpas``` | Antiarc: coming from you, that's impressive! ;) |
| 10:18.15 | sztanphet | @project zoom |
| 10:18.16 | Repo | sztanphet: http://www.wowace.com/projects/zoom/. Zoom!!!. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 23 hours ago |
| 10:18.18 | Xinhuan | not really, Antiarc, ckknight already updated all his libs and removed all the GC()s |
| 10:18.29 | Antiarc | But it has an awesome picture of a car |
| 10:18.32 | Antiarc | Which makes it awesome |
| 10:18.34 | Shefki | I did that. |
| 10:18.36 | Shefki | Not ck. |
| 10:18.47 | Moriar | ok i see dieck |
| 10:18.48 | Xinhuan | but he did the commits i think? |
| 10:18.52 | Xinhuan | not you? |
| 10:18.55 | Shefki | No I did. |
| 10:19.01 | Moriar | that will be easy to parse |
| 10:19.03 | Shefki | Unless he retaged everything for that. |
| 10:19.08 | Moriar | en send to a db |
| 10:19.12 | Moriar | and* |
| 10:19.13 | Xinhuan | [12/15 22:54:57] <Repo> librocklocale-1-0: ckknight * r236 LibRockLocale-1.0.lua: remove unnecessary collectgarbage calls |
| 10:19.24 | Xinhuan | fairly sure that says ckknight, not Shefki |
| 10:19.32 | Shefki | Ohh didn't realize it was in other librock's |
| 10:19.37 | Antiarc | yes |
| 10:19.38 | Xinhuan | [12/15 23:17:26] <Repo> librockconfig-1-0: ckknight * r399 LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: remove unnecessary collectgarbage calls |
| 10:19.40 | Shefki | I took the stuff out in LibRock-1.0 |
| 10:19.44 | Xinhuan | [12/15 23:17:29] <Repo> librockevent-1-0: ckknight * r236 LibRockEvent-1.0.lua: remove unnecessary collectgarbage calls |
| 10:19.48 | Moriar | thx for your help everyone |
| 10:20.03 | fauxpas``` | i was just wondering about zoom cause i don't use any rock addons (iirc) |
| 10:20.13 | Antiarc | Well Zoom won't hurt anything |
| 10:20.19 | Antiarc | Worst case it just doesn't do anything for you |
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| 10:21.05 | fauxpas``` | nice, 173 folders in the addon folder and none of them uses rock |
| 10:21.16 | fauxpas``` | (nothing against rock, but it's still cool :D) |
| 10:22.07 | dieck | Antiarc: I suppose zoom works on reloadui, too? |
| 10:22.12 | Antiarc | yeah |
| 10:23.24 | dieck | ok, I'll start a comparism right now here ;) |
| 10:23.44 | Xinhuan | you'll probably only see... maybe 1-3 seconds difference |
| 10:23.49 | dieck | http://www.wow-europe.com/character/character-customization-intro.html You can now change a character.s gender, name, face, skin color, and other cosmetic features! WTF? |
| 10:24.00 | Xinhuan | welcome to 3 days ago |
| 10:24.02 | sztanphet | thats a tad bit old |
| 10:24.20 | dieck | I just say it the first time on the wow startup |
| 10:26.08 | Moriar | need to change my charactere race |
| 10:26.10 | Moriar | :) |
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| 10:30.40 | sb|work | hm, my first login after wow start is like ~45s, my second login (logout -> login) is ~20s... %-) |
| 10:31.08 | Xinhuan | a reloadui is always faster |
| 10:31.12 | Xinhuan | than a fresh login |
| 10:31.26 | Xinhuan | also the very first login is always faster than the 2nd login due to disk caching |
| 10:31.29 | Xinhuan | i mean slower* |
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| 10:36.46 | dieck | Antiarc: no speedup here with zoom, it's even slower. But I suppose my bottleneck is the laptop harddisk and caching, so I won't say it Zoom!!! that slows anything down :) |
| 10:37.02 | cladhaire | zoom _can |
| 10:37.03 | dieck | I'll have to reload several times and compare :) |
| 10:37.05 | cladhaire | can't slow things down |
| 10:37.26 | dieck | cladhaire: that's why I said I won't say that ;) |
| 10:37.28 | Antiarc | It's an extra 2 files to load, so maybe a TEENY bit :P |
| 10:37.51 | cladhaire | Antiarc: not measurable, since there are so many other factors that can come into play |
| 10:37.52 | cladhaire | :P |
| 10:38.01 | Kalroth | dieck: Are you running FAT32 on that laptop? :p |
| 10:38.01 | Antiarc | I know :P |
| 10:38.18 | Antiarc | Just in theory |
| 10:39.49 | dieck | Kalroth: ntfs |
| 10:40.02 | dieck | but I'll have to reinstall soon, it's getting slower every day :) |
| 10:40.29 | Kalroth | I bet it's one of the oldschool 4200 RPY disks! |
| 10:41.16 | Moriar | >_< |
| 10:41.24 | Elkano | ok, waiting for 25. now for the titel... |
| 10:41.25 | Moriar | my laptop is running on fat32 |
| 10:41.56 | Shot | Antiarc: what's the SplitText that's been disabled? |
| 10:42.25 | Antiarc | Split messages >255 characters in length into multiple messages |
| 10:42.32 | krka | hm |
| 10:42.35 | Shot | i see |
| 10:42.37 | krka | how does zoom work? |
| 10:42.46 | Antiarc | Open it up :P |
| 10:42.49 | Antiarc | It's like 20 lines |
| 10:42.55 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: Not for me, a reload is slower here. So slow that I normally get disconnected from the server |
| 10:43.00 | dieck | Kalroth: maybe for power saving reasons. It a 1.5" Seagate 120GB |
| 10:43.26 | krka | You must login to post a comment. Don't have an account? Register to get one! |
| 10:43.29 | krka | can't be assed |
| 10:43.51 | krka | hm, never mind |
| 10:43.51 | krka | misread |
| 10:43.56 | Kalroth | you can post comments with Antiarc, he remembers everything you say |
| 10:44.27 | Shot | my initial load is about 20 seconds, a reloadui gets: |
| 10:44.30 | Shot | Garbage collected: 146.60 kb, 40 attempts were made to collect garbage, loading took 16.89 seconds |
| 10:44.46 | krka | _G.collectgarbage |
| 10:44.47 | krka | weird |
| 10:44.53 | krka | why not use collectgarbage directly? |
| 10:45.08 | Antiarc | I use _G for clarity |
| 10:45.16 | Antiarc | It's self-documenting and stuff |
| 10:45.43 | krka | so, this solves the problem of addons that call collectgarbage? |
| 10:46.03 | Antiarc | It prevents GC thrash during loading |
| 10:46.21 | krka | it seems like it only affects addons that try to manually collect garbage |
| 10:46.28 | Antiarc | yes |
| 10:46.35 | Antiarc | But I run 220 addons, so I have quite a few that do |
| 10:46.40 | krka | ah, it runs stop too |
| 10:46.47 | Antiarc | Yes, it stops the GC |
| 10:47.00 | Antiarc | The intent being that no GC should be done until the entire UI is loaded |
| 10:47.17 | Shot | krka: the problem isn't that they collect garbage, it's that they try to colelct garbage for every addon that loads, as they load, slowing down your loading time |
| 10:47.25 | krka | right |
| 10:47.28 | Shot | better to just stop all that and do one garbage collection at the end |
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| 10:47.34 | Antiarc | well, a full garbage collection pass can be slow during load-in, when a ton of garbage is generated |
| 10:47.36 | krka | i can see the point with disabling that function |
| 10:47.49 | krka | i don't see the point with turning off the automatic collection |
| 10:48.16 | Antiarc | Because GC is slow |
| 10:48.17 | Shot | on the other hand, i don't see the need for any automatic collection |
| 10:48.20 | Antiarc | And I want mt UI to load fast |
| 10:48.27 | Shot | i have 6gb of ram, what do i need to collect 200kb of garbage for? |
| 10:48.33 | Antiarc | ^-- |
| 10:49.09 | Kalroth | I got 8gb, so there! |
| 10:49.16 | krka | it could break addons that relied on weak tables and stuff |
| 10:49.23 | Kalroth | uh |
| 10:49.39 | Antiarc | I fail to see how |
| 10:49.42 | Antiarc | They'll get collected later |
| 10:50.03 | krka | i can write example code that will perform different things if your stuff is running :P |
| 10:50.26 | Kalroth | If an addon relies on being able to do GC manually, then that addon might be a bit fucked up |
| 10:50.33 | Antiarc | ^-- |
| 10:50.52 | Antiarc | In practicality, I'm pretty sure this won't even break anything |
| 10:50.53 | thul | oooh, I just became uncle for the second tiiiiiiime :-D |
| 10:50.54 | thul | juhu |
| 10:51.13 | Antiarc | k, servers are shutting down, Mass Effect time |
| 10:51.35 | krka | http://pastey.net/104469 |
| 10:52.03 | Antiarc | Yes, that'd break |
| 10:52.11 | krka | Antiarc: also, you may want to allow addons to call count atleast |
| 10:52.28 | Antiarc | Eh, I guess so |
| 10:52.38 | Antiarc | But really, count is meaningless since it's usually used to get a delta after a collect |
| 10:52.42 | Antiarc | And the collect never happens |
| 10:52.44 | Kalroth | just return 0 all the time, np |
| 10:52.49 | Antiarc | So you'll get bogus numbers either way |
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| 10:53.08 | krka | no, that just means that the addon will get a different delta than expected |
| 10:54.05 | sztanphet | just return a random number |
| 10:54.10 | sztanphet | like 5! |
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| 11:02.04 | Repo | 10talented_data: 03jerry * r182 / (2 files in 1 directory): regenerate |
| 11:05.31 | CiscOH | @Project GuildManagementTools |
| 11:05.32 | Repo | CiscOH: http://www.wowace.com/projects/guildmanagementtools/. Guild Management Tools. Game: WoW. ciscoh (Manager/Author). Updated: 40 hours ago |
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| 11:14.42 | Repo | Initial commit of template code |
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| 11:43.02 | p4aved | Polearms: Now trainable by Druids |
| 11:43.21 | p4aved | lul wern't druids ment to b able to suse polearms since launch? |
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| 11:43.43 | Deviad | Hello guys |
| 11:43.55 | Deviad | Can anyone tell me what to use instead of swstats |
| 11:44.03 | Deviad | I saw something that sends data to a website |
| 11:44.06 | Deviad | or something like that |
| 11:44.08 | Deviad | how does it work? |
| 11:44.13 | p4aved | wow web stats |
| 11:45.33 | Deviad | is it better than swstats? |
| 11:45.55 | Deviad | I need something to measure my dps and do some theorycraft |
| 11:46.01 | Arrowmaster | recount |
| 11:46.11 | Deviad | I'm not in a guild at the moment so maybe wow webstats is not the tool I'm looking for |
| 11:46.18 | Deviad | OK, I'll give recount a shot |
| 11:46.42 | Deviad | as a threat meter I'm using Omen 3 but sometimes when I'm "too far" from the other people to cast my spells |
| 11:46.47 | Deviad | it doesn't update... it's empty |
| 11:46.51 | Deviad | is it it a bug or what? |
| 11:46.54 | Deviad | is it* |
| 11:46.56 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:47.37 | dieck | hm, is the trade channel now always named "Trade - City" instead of "Trade - Ironforge" or "Trade - Darnassus"? |
| 11:47.44 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 11:47.50 | nevcairiel | been so for at least a year or more =P |
| 11:48.03 | dieck | never needed it until now, but nice :) |
| 11:48.23 | dieck | so I'll toss my function to derive in "which" trade channel I'm in ;) |
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| 11:49.36 | p4aved | there all the same |
| 11:50.28 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/aspectinspect/. Aspect Inspect. Pericles (Manager/Author), Auldare (Author). Approved by Nevcairiel. |
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| 11:54.26 | cncfanatics | dieck: there is one trade channel :p |
| 11:59.29 | Repo | 10muf: 03vaeyl * r11 / (8 files in 5 directories): added powerbar |
| 11:59.34 | Repo | fixed event handling |
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| 12:06.27 | Deviad | Sorry guys, does cartographer work again with wowtlk? |
| 12:06.46 | Arrowmaster | not well |
| 12:06.55 | Deviad | I'm training herbalism and carbonite doesn't allow me to see the herbs |
| 12:07.04 | Deviad | on the map through gathermate |
| 12:07.18 | Deviad | so I was thinking to get questmate and handynotes |
| 12:07.20 | Deviad | instead |
| 12:07.36 | Arrowmaster | get mapster instead of cartographer |
| 12:07.38 | cncfanatics | carto3 works fine |
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| 12:10.47 | Deviad | any addon to get flight length countdown? |
| 12:10.59 | Deviad | before there was inflight |
| 12:11.02 | Deviad | or something like that |
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| 12:16.12 | Deviad | mmm |
| 12:16.16 | Deviad | so there isn't anything yet |
| 12:17.49 | p4aved | no ther eis |
| 12:17.59 | p4aved | i just can't remember what its called |
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| 12:33.14 | Trell- | quick question |
| 12:33.34 | Trell- | closetgnome_banker - is this actually being updated by anyone/is there a workaround? |
| 12:33.49 | Trell- | doesn't give me any errors, but doesn't show up on my closetgnome menu either :( |
| 12:37.20 | Tinyboom | bah, what should i use for instance maps when using mapster? |
| 12:37.38 | Tinyboom | the addon "instancemaps" has no lk maps yet... |
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| 12:39.14 | Repo | [InstanceLoot][InstanceLootHeroic] remined WotLK instances |
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| 12:40.51 | Repo | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=10&a=- |
| 12:46.13 | CiscOH | does anyone have any examples of storing debug messages in an SV? |
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| 12:54.25 | Zhinjio | g'mornin |
| 12:54.40 | CiscOH | good morning |
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| 13:54.59 | Arrowmaster | lua> (function(...) print (select(5, ...)) end)("1", "2", "3", "4") |
| 13:54.59 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: No output |
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| 14:58.54 | pentium166 | why does this always happen. |
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| 15:02.03 | Mikk | Can anyone think of a good spot for testing a friendly fire meter? |
| 15:02.07 | Mikk | Like.. not in an sintance |
| 15:02.14 | Pneumatus | anywhere with a ret pally |
| 15:02.19 | thul | friendly fire meter? |
| 15:02.31 | Pneumatus | seal of blood/martyr should be recorded as FF |
| 15:02.41 | Mikk | I was thinking that I wouldn't record that as FF |
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| 15:02.48 | Mikk | Because it's a bit pointless to record |
| 15:02.51 | Krames | If only friendly fire was turned on... |
| 15:03.04 | Mikk | When what you want is to see who's fucking up e.g. charge switching on Thaddius |
| 15:03.13 | Mikk | (Or shatters on Gruul, or whatnot) |
| 15:03.14 | Pneumatus | theres an addon that does that anyway |
| 15:03.25 | Mikk | Aye but I wanted a module for Violation |
| 15:03.41 | thul | what is ff? :-P |
| 15:03.58 | Mikk | Friendly Fire |
| 15:04.01 | thul | yes yes yes |
| 15:04.03 | thul | but what is it? :-P |
| 15:04.09 | thul | I know what it is in real life |
| 15:04.15 | Pneumatus | same in WoW |
| 15:04.16 | thul | but what is it in wow? :-P it is not like i can hut someone else? |
| 15:04.16 | Megalon | it's the same in wow |
| 15:04.24 | Pneumatus | er, you can |
| 15:04.26 | Mikk | thul: like i said... think shatters on gruul |
| 15:04.34 | Megalon | Aran |
| 15:04.37 | Megalon | ;SSS |
| 15:04.41 | Mikk | Lots of places |
| 15:04.46 | Pneumatus | crosshing charges on thaddius, moving on flame wreath, etc |
| 15:04.56 | Mikk | And I want to know who to chew out |
| 15:04.59 | thul | ah, ok. |
| 15:05.01 | Krames | Dont' joke about flame wreath. |
| 15:05.12 | Pneumatus | Mikk: the thaddius one is trick though, as the person that fucked up doesnt cause the damage |
| 15:05.13 | thul | so not friendly fire per se, but provoking damage from bosses on the raid? |
| 15:05.26 | Pneumatus | *tricky |
| 15:05.34 | Krames | Combat logs are nice for that. I believe that it might show up on a WWS parse. |
| 15:05.44 | Krames | Or, in game, Acheron is really nice as well. |
| 15:06.02 | gix | Pneumatus: he does, too. you have ~10 people doing 4500 damage, and 1 person doing 45000. |
| 15:06.04 | Pneumatus | yeh, Acheron is good for seeing why people died, in general |
| 15:06.21 | Pneumatus | gix: the person that fucks up does no damage |
| 15:06.23 | Krames | It doesn't show the exact source does it. |
| 15:06.30 | Pneumatus | he just gets 1shotted by everyone else in the correct camp |
| 15:06.42 | gix | that's not what i saw |
| 15:06.45 | Mikk | Hence why I'm doing both Friendly Fire Done and Friendly Fire Taken |
| 15:06.47 | Mikk | is smrt |
| 15:06.53 | gix | maybe your fuckups were lagging :p |
| 15:07.03 | Pneumatus | gix: someone fucking up in thaddius doesn't wipe the raid, thats for sure |
| 15:07.11 | Pneumatus | and if that person did 45k damage, it would wipe |
| 15:07.16 | gix | why? |
| 15:07.44 | Mikk | And yeah someone not moving out of his camp just gets oneshotted, that's for sure |
| 15:07.55 | Mikk | But pathing wrong doesnt cause instagib |
| 15:07.58 | Mikk | Just fuckloads of damage |
| 15:08.32 | Pneumatus | would you still log all teh FF after thaddius is dead? |
| 15:08.41 | Pneumatus | when people still have charges, and morons accept resses etc |
| 15:08.50 | Megalon | Pneumatus: the one standing in the wrong camp gets hit by everyone |
| 15:08.54 | Krames | 25 man does much more damage than the 10. the 10 man is easily survivable if they catch themselves. |
| 15:09.11 | Mikk | It's quite possible that I should stop recording out of combat |
| 15:09.22 | Pneumatus | Megalon: exactly, the guy that fucks up gets hit by everyone and gets 1shotted |
| 15:09.37 | Megalon | yea, but he deals damage to everone |
| 15:09.46 | gix | Pneumatus: and also damages others |
| 15:10.12 | Megalon | so whats the point of him getting oneshot, doesn't change that he deals an insane amount of friendly fire |
| 15:10.13 | Pneumatus | never saw that happen, but concievably the damage is so negligable in the time he gets 1shotted |
| 15:10.25 | Krames | The only exception to that would be if they have no charge. i.e. Missing the jump. |
| 15:10.34 | Krames | that of course, would be only in the beginning of the fight |
| 15:10.34 | gix | so you have X people doing Y damage each to the fuckup, and the fuckup doing X*Y in total |
| 15:10.37 | Pneumatus | i certainly dont see half the raids HPs drop |
| 15:10.43 | Mikk | You can get insane FF at the end of the fight too |
| 15:10.45 | Mikk | We had that happen last night |
| 15:10.57 | Mikk | The charge wore off some people 0.1s before a pulse, while others still had it |
| 15:10.58 | thul | I should get to 80 and start raiding :-P |
| 15:10.59 | Pneumatus | yeh, if you dont spread the slight difference between the times each person had their charges on |
| 15:10.59 | Mikk | megabam |
| 15:11.58 | gix | Pneumatus: then my recount and combat log must have been bugged all the time |
| 15:12.05 | Pneumatus | unrelated, do the xmas hats still drop in level 60/70 dungeons? |
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| 15:13.03 | gix | according to wowhead comments they don't. at least not for level 80 players |
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| 15:19.07 | trh | btw: is there some kind of carrot on a stick for level 80 players? |
| 15:19.21 | Pneumatus | nop |
| 15:20.09 | trh | aw.. too bad |
| 15:21.06 | Mikk | so um... can anyone think of a place with FF? |
| 15:21.14 | Mikk | volatile infections somewhere maybe? |
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| 15:25.54 | PProvost | Does anyone know if BigWigs is updated for the timing changes (if any) in Naxx-10 Naxx-25 as compared to the old Naxx? |
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| 15:35.47 | nevcairiel | Mikk: dunno if it counts, but retribution paladins dmg themself all the time with their seal |
| 15:36.23 | takitsu | there's the time bombs, in oculus |
| 15:36.50 | takitsu | or for oldschool content, the flame wreath at aran and the mana bomb at kaz'rogal counts too |
| 15:36.55 | quiescens | abominations in utgarde pinnacle do volatile infection |
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| 15:37.10 | quiescens | the first pull in utgarde pinnacle is an abomination |
| 15:38.13 | thul | hmm, did I dream this, or will 2 talent builds be possible sometime? |
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| 15:40.08 | SunTsu | thul: even more, according to blue posts dual speccing will take care of glyphs and action bars, too |
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| 15:40.59 | thul | hmm, nice.. :-) that is really good. I want a blood-pvp-big-crit build and one frost-tank-pve-quickattack build. |
| 15:46.30 | Repo | 10grid2: 03jerry * r40 GridDefaults.lua: I fail at copypasting working code. |
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| 15:53.27 | Repo | 10babble-2-2: 03ananhaid * r1318 Babble-Ore-2.2/Babble-Ore-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: |
| 15:53.31 | Repo | - add Cobalt, Saronite, Titanium Ore type. |
| 15:53.36 | Fisker- | Mikk AQ40 |
| 15:53.46 | Fisker- | and AQ20 as well |
| 15:54.06 | Stanzilla | omg babble 2.2 |
| 15:54.17 | Groktar | mmmm |
| 15:54.28 | Groktar | is looking forward to the wolverine movie |
| 15:55.00 | thul | hmm, there will be a wolverine movie? |
| 15:56.25 | Groktar | ya |
| 15:56.29 | Groktar | may 1 |
| 15:56.53 | Groktar | http://www.myspace.com/x-menorigins |
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| 15:59.00 | ulic | PProvost: I know some updates have been made to BigWigs, I'm not running Naxx yet so I don't know if it's spot on or not, but it must be mostly close. |
| 16:00.12 | Fisker- | Kel'Thuzad is off |
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| 16:00.18 | Fisker- | But not really relevant |
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| 16:09.24 | gix | you don't need timers for naxx |
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| 16:17.10 | ulic | you don't need a lot of things, but we use/want them anyway :) |
| 16:18.26 | Lysithea | how long till US realms are up? or are they up already? |
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| 16:20.40 | ulic | Lysithea: my server is still down. |
| 16:20.54 | ulic | don't know about others. |
| 16:21.04 | Lysithea | any idea on estimates when they're up? |
| 16:21.18 | Sholly | 3pm pst |
| 16:21.26 | Lysithea | and that's in how many hours? Im euro |
| 16:21.28 | Sholly | sorry est |
| 16:21.44 | ulic | 3pm eastern is still 2h40m |
| 16:21.53 | Lysithea | ah k, thanks |
| 16:22.10 | Lysithea | eagerly awaiting stats and info about the pvp gear etc |
| 16:22.21 | Lysithea | if what we know is correct etc |
| 16:22.51 | Sholly | my server is ushuly the last one up |
| 16:23.05 | Zhinjio | my login screen says 11:am PST, which is 2:40 away |
| 16:23.09 | Sholly | just transfwerd a few weeks ago and the werver i was on was one of the last allso |
| 16:23.39 | Megalon | hm, with the latest ptr changed i demand a spellpower polearm! |
| 16:23.45 | Sholly | grr typeing sucks |
| 16:23.53 | Megalon | s/changed/changes/ |
| 16:23.57 | Megalon | yea, me too ;C |
| 16:24.15 | gix | enchant a polearm with spellpower :< |
| 16:24.37 | Sholly | hit befor spellpower |
| 16:24.43 | Fisker- | don\t do it Megalon |
| 16:24.46 | Fisker- | hunters will want it |
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| 16:25.03 | ckknight | http://www.curseforge.com/store/items/7-bachelor-chow/ |
| 16:25.10 | ckknight | err, well, http://www.wowace.com/store/items/7-bachelor-chow/ |
| 16:25.30 | Belazor | so it didnt have flavour before? |
| 16:25.30 | Belazor | XD |
| 16:25.37 | Fisker- | reported for copyright infringement |
| 16:26.09 | Fisker- | http://www.curseforge.com/store/items/1-dog-poo/ <-can i sell you some and get curse points? |
| 16:27.13 | ckknight | Belazor: nope. |
| 16:27.17 | Sholly | is there a way to get a channel list hear i for some resion come up wiht 0/0 |
| 16:27.18 | Belazor | XD |
| 16:27.58 | ckknight | Fisker-: ...yes? |
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| 16:29.13 | Pneumatus | an xbox is only worth 13 gametime cards? :o |
| 16:29.56 | Groktar | 13*30 = 390? |
| 16:30.40 | ckknight | Pneumatus: *shrug* |
| 16:30.42 | ckknight | they're not real numbers |
| 16:31.15 | ckknight | they'll be different when we actually launch |
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| 16:32.59 | Bruners | ckknight: you should try and get some in game items |
| 16:33.21 | Bruners | ckknight: make a deal with the TCG dudes |
| 16:33.45 | ckknight | yea, that could be cool |
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| 16:33.52 | ckknight | maybe |
| 16:33.53 | Belazor | make points accumulate now, Im wasting downloads on my mods! |
| 16:33.53 | Belazor | XD |
| 16:34.45 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03Zeksie * r40 / (4 files in 4 directories): ZOMGBuffs: |
| 16:34.47 | Repo | - Added Aspect of the Dragonhawk. |
| 16:34.50 | Repo | - Will now use Dalaran Intellect/Brilliance if you have it. |
| 16:34.58 | Zhinjio | Zeksie: ping |
| 16:35.02 | Zeksie | hi |
| 16:35.04 | Zhinjio | heya |
| 16:35.06 | ckknight | Belazor: they'll start accumulating once premium launches |
| 16:35.13 | Zhinjio | so I get some weirdness with shaman offhand buff |
| 16:35.15 | Belazor | which is when D: |
| 16:35.17 | SunTsu | Zeksie: /cheer |
| 16:35.31 | Pneumatus | im guessing that's still pending a release of the 2.1.* client? |
| 16:35.38 | ckknight | I guess |
| 16:35.41 | ckknight | :-P |
| 16:35.43 | Zhinjio | mainhand fires off perfectly, and on time. offhand doesn't seem to always recognize that it needs updating |
| 16:35.53 | ckknight | but yea |
| 16:35.55 | ckknight | I'm ready for it, we're waiting on the CC afaik |
| 16:36.01 | Zhinjio | it usually takes one or two more combats before it recognizes that it need to be refreshed |
| 16:36.11 | ckknight | btw: down with C++ |
| 16:36.18 | Bruners | man its cold in here, im blowing frost smoke |
| 16:36.19 | ckknight | it takes too long to develop a stable app |
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| 16:36.25 | Zeksie | yeh. the whole item enchanting stuff is nasty. I'll see if I can firm it up a bit. |
| 16:36.26 | kromar | hi |
| 16:36.33 | Belazor | ckknight: so in other words, never. We both know Kaelten never gets any actual work done, and whoever is programming the CC now seems to break random features on a daily basis |
| 16:36.33 | Belazor | XD |
| 16:36.48 | Zeksie | hadn't put a lot of work into it cos of the various problems with enchant names not being remotely similar to the casting spells.. |
| 16:36.55 | *** kick/#wowace [Belazor!n=Kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten] by Kaelten (P) |
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| 16:36.59 | ckknight | ...no rebuttal :-P |
| 16:37.00 | Bruners | Belazor: thats why he is just the manager :P |
| 16:37.06 | Belazor | bwahahaha XD |
| 16:37.08 | Pneumatus | the alpha of the CC has actually been quite reliable :o |
| 16:37.15 | Groktar | omg a not-terrible a gear looking for warriors |
| 16:37.16 | Pneumatus | especially since the alpha sync stopped crashing |
| 16:37.16 | Belazor | you havent tried A5 then |
| 16:37.16 | Belazor | XD |
| 16:37.22 | Groktar | *not terrible guild |
| 16:37.23 | Zenom | wtb good mac client |
| 16:37.32 | Pneumatus | has an alpha5 been released yet? |
| 16:37.34 | Zenom | lol i was thinking about sniffing the traffic and writing my own to login and download hehe |
| 16:37.42 | Belazor | only about 7 different versions of it |
| 16:37.43 | Belazor | XD |
| 16:37.58 | Bruners | Kaelten: will there be a nix client ? |
| 16:38.01 | Belazor | basically if you exit the alpha too soon after downloading a mod it crashes |
| 16:38.19 | Kaelten | Bruners: we'd like to, but no promises on any kinda timeline |
| 16:38.25 | Belazor | and if you open it too soon again after said crash, it gives a CC Has Stopped Working box |
| 16:38.28 | kromar | does aceupdater still exist? |
| 16:38.32 | Pneumatus | surely the windows one will run under wine, anyway |
| 16:38.32 | Belazor | its like it trips over its own I/O |
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| 16:38.49 | Bruners | kromar: it exist but it wont download for you |
| 16:38.53 | Belazor | And the "Close to tray" setting randomly broke |
| 16:39.07 | Kaelten | Pneumatus: static.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.1.0.0.Alpha5.exe |
| 16:39.17 | Kaelten | Belazor: guess you don't want the prerelease of alpha6 |
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| 16:39.19 | kromar | Bruners: is there a new downloader? |
| 16:39.29 | Belazor | Kaelten: I do, if it actually fixes shite |
| 16:39.30 | Belazor | XD |
| 16:39.41 | Kaelten | sorry listening to you bitch is the highlight of my day |
| 16:39.44 | Kaelten | you can't update it |
| 16:39.45 | Belazor | XD |
| 16:39.59 | Belazor | You love me bitching |
| 16:40.01 | Ackis | Belazor: just ask him for onering3 |
| 16:40.06 | Zenom | lol |
| 16:40.12 | Belazor | I seem to recall you begging for feedback that one time |
| 16:40.13 | Belazor | XD |
| 16:40.20 | Kaelten | Ackis: I'd recommend binding your keyring to your 'w' key |
| 16:40.34 | Zhinjio | Zeksie: I understand. Its also not a huge issue, since it does work (eventually) |
| 16:40.36 | Pneumatus | Kaelten: is alpha6 coming soon then, or should i update to 5 now? |
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| 16:40.43 | Zhinjio | just thought I'd see if it was already reported or whatever |
| 16:40.46 | Kaelten | no alpha6 is still a little way out |
| 16:40.52 | Zhinjio | Kaelten: g'morning |
| 16:40.55 | Ackis | alpha5 still doesn't upload my shit to wowdb |
| 16:41.43 | ckknight | the chunks of corn get stick in the intertubes, Ackis |
| 16:41.49 | Kaelten | Ackis: hrm, you sure oyu have the newest alpha5 and not one of the ones I had you pretest for me? |
| 16:41.55 | Pneumatus | does alpha5 check for updates on its own yet Kaelten? |
| 16:42.00 | Kaelten | no |
| 16:42.13 | Ackis | no clue, I get a "uploading stuffz to wowdb dawg" message but http://www.wowdb.com/profile.aspx?id=3268248 isn't updated |
| 16:42.26 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 16:42.35 | Ackis | I wanted to ask Adamar to see if he was getting data drops from me but either he's been busy or I have been |
| 16:42.46 | Kaelten | he's on vacation |
| 16:42.47 | Kaelten | until friday |
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| 16:42.55 | Ackis | ahh |
| 16:43.06 | Ackis | I figured he just blocked me to get me to stfu ;) rofl |
| 16:44.56 | Kaelten | lol |
| 16:45.31 | Fisker- | So Kaelten |
| 16:45.40 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 16:45.41 | Fisker- | got any address i can mail my dog shit to so i can get curse points? |
| 16:46.12 | Kaelten | Fisker-: I'll give you curse points at a rate of 10 per dollar donated to kaelten@gmail.com via paypal :) |
| 16:46.14 | Ackis | Fisker-: do you have a sister? |
| 16:46.14 | Zhinjio | ckknight: I can no longer see others orders. Not sure if you got that message |
| 16:46.36 | ckknight | Zhinjio: good stuff :-) |
| 16:47.20 | Fisker- | no Ackis |
| 16:50.53 | ulic | ckknight: looking at the Assign Roles page, I think it might be nice to have the list of things people can and can't do in some sort of column fashion with check marks or something, so it's easier to see the differences, some are obvious, tester, but most others have so many similar powers it's hard to see what the difference is. Just my thoughts. |
| 16:51.33 | ckknight | hmm |
| 16:52.22 | ulic | kinda like comparisons of Pro, Lite, and Free versions of software. |
| 16:52.26 | ckknight | well, Author and Maintainer are equivalent |
| 16:52.41 | ckknight | just different names |
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| 16:56.39 | takitsu | Is it true that CC eats newborn babies? |
| 16:57.01 | Groktar | confirms |
| 16:57.07 | takitsu | thought so |
| 16:57.18 | Groktar | it also hates puppies and baby seals |
| 16:57.23 | takitsu | :-o |
| 16:57.59 | ckknight | it kicks kittens. |
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| 16:59.51 | ckknight | Fact: The smell of orange blossoms has Republican leanings. |
| 17:00.10 | takitsu | o_O |
| 17:00.26 | takitsu | Which smells have Democratic leanings? :S |
| 17:01.32 | takitsu | BTW, you might wanna change the change log viewer when first-time user installs CC |
| 17:01.40 | takitsu | Remember though this is a LIMITED Preview, and will be ending on the 6th of October. |
| 17:01.48 | takitsu | I can't help feeling sad :( |
| 17:03.25 | digmouse | where did the title "Challenger" come from? |
| 17:05.09 | Ackis | ckknight: in ruby, if I have an array of hashes {:name, :id, :category} how difficult is it to first sort by category, then by id? |
| 17:05.36 | ckknight | easy? |
| 17:06.01 | Ackis | even for a moran like me? |
| 17:06.20 | ckknight | stuff.sort { |a,b| a[:category] <=> b[:category] || a[:id] <=> b[:id] } |
| 17:07.26 | Megalon | All too easy! |
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| 17:08.17 | renchap | what is the <=> operator ? |
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| 17:08.28 | quiescens | compare |
| 17:08.45 | renchap | and what does it returns ? |
| 17:09.15 | ckknight | renchap: spaceship! |
| 17:09.32 | renchap | damn, ruby is powerful |
| 17:10.16 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1241 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 17:10.19 | Repo | Reorg some of the code in the miner to make it a bit easier, and update my sort function using the Spaceship! sort stuffz. Word. |
| 17:10.51 | ckknight | renchap: spaceship returns -1, 0, or 1 |
| 17:11.04 | Ackis | ty ckknight |
| 17:11.06 | renchap | ok, thanks :) |
| 17:11.16 | Ackis | I was doing it a different way that was... failing |
| 17:11.17 | ckknight | by default, stuff.sort is the same as stuff.sort { |a,b| a <=> b } |
| 17:12.04 | Groktar | i logged on one of my gm's characters last night |
| 17:12.20 | Groktar | he had click to move turned on |
| 17:12.31 | Groktar | when i asked him about it he said he used it "for pvp" |
| 17:12.47 | pastamancer | oh the embarassing things you find out now that settings are saved on the server! |
| 17:13.25 | pastamancer | I had forgotten the click to move option even existed |
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| 17:13.33 | ckknight | Ackis: what I gave you is wrong, I think |
| 17:13.41 | ckknight | Ackis: since 0 || "blah" == 0 |
| 17:13.42 | Ackis | ckknight: it worked in my test code snippet? |
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| 17:16.39 | ckknight | Ackis: well, it'll never end up sorting by ID |
| 17:16.52 | ckknight | I'm not sure how to handle it at that point... |
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| 17:19.38 | ckknight | Ackis: k, here you go: |
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| 17:20.01 | ckknight | stuff.sort_by { |v| [v[:category], v[:id]] } |
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| 17:22.06 | Ackis | hmmm kk ty |
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| 17:24.28 | Arrowmaster | Groktar: i use click to move just or rightclicking npcs |
| 17:24.47 | Arrowmaster | yes im lazy |
| 17:26.44 | pomp | For the Instructor Rezuvious fight, are the understudies considered vehicles or pets and can you cancel the MC at any time? or you have to wait for it to run out? |
| 17:28.07 | Skellum | Do a /dance |
| 17:28.15 | Skellum | It will break the MC to allow for a smoother reMC transition |
| 17:28.22 | Groktar | you can right click on your pet frame and dismiss, too |
| 17:28.56 | pomp | Ah alright, I think I had my pet frame disabled in bartender4 when doing the fight. |
| 17:29.08 | pomp | but I saw the understudies moves on my bar |
| 17:29.11 | Skellum | ouch >_< |
| 17:29.25 | Skellum | crazy non-pet using classes |
| 17:29.40 | Groktar | bt4 has pet frames? |
| 17:29.43 | Groktar | :D |
| 17:29.47 | pomp | well pet bar I mean |
| 17:31.37 | Groktar | o |
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| 17:47.12 | dieck | hm, what is one of the "last" events fired when logging in? |
| 17:49.27 | ckknight | woo |
| 17:49.30 | ckknight | git/hg subpaths work |
| 17:52.13 | sztanphet | when do you sleep ckk |
| 17:52.33 | Erica647[A] | is now away - Reason : afk |
| 17:52.39 | ckknight | I slept from 4 AM to 9 AM this morning |
| 17:52.45 | Gnarfoz | probably more or less according to one of the US time zones ;D |
| 17:53.08 | Gnarfoz | 5 hours? :< I wish I slept that much~~ |
| 17:55.27 | ckknight | well, roughly |
| 17:55.32 | ckknight | it was closer to 4:30 and 8:30 |
| 17:56.33 | Silowyi | hmm so a lot of people have told me that Quartz is a good castbar mod, but I keep getting errors in battlegrounds when using it. |
| 17:56.47 | Silowyi | is there a castbar mod out there that works? |
| 17:57.33 | Silowyi | I don't even really want the castbar portion of it cause the default ui and perl and what not handle that just fine, mostly I just use the debuff timers |
| 17:57.41 | dodga | quartz works absolutely peachy :D |
| 17:58.00 | dodga | Silowyi: then get a debuff timer addon, like classtimers, or whatelse there is |
| 17:58.26 | Silowyi | that's more or less my question |
| 17:58.39 | Silowyi | dodga so you haven't had any problems with quartz misbehaving in battlegrounds? |
| 17:59.28 | sylvanaar | cladhaire do you know much about how wow tunes its gc? |
| 17:59.51 | cladhaire | Yeah, you have any particular questions? |
| 18:00.22 | dodga | Silowyi: I haven't been to a battleground since LK came out |
| 18:00.26 | dodga | but it never bugged out for me before |
| 18:00.36 | dodga | but I don't use anything else besides the casting bar modification |
| 18:00.40 | sylvanaar | cladhaire does it use the amount of memory in use after loading to tune it? |
| 18:00.46 | Silowyi | yeah see, I've had zero issues outside of battlegrounds |
| 18:00.58 | cladhaire | no, that amount is irrelevant the way 5.1 does garbage collection |
| 18:01.07 | Silowyi | I think it might have something to do with vehicles. |
| 18:01.14 | cladhaire | wishes his posts hadn't all disappeared when his US account was cancelled |
| 18:01.25 | cladhaire | I have all of this written up in detail, but can certainly answer your questions :P |
| 18:01.43 | cladhaire | There are only two things you can tweak, the pause and the multipler |
| 18:02.04 | cladhaire | WoW now implements what GCTweak used to do, albeit in a more conservative fashion |
| 18:02.20 | cladhaire | you could get more aggressive GC without much noticeable overhead by altering the multiplier |
| 18:03.26 | sylvanaar | cladhaire ok, i think ill go read up on it some more then - i must have misunderstood something, or remembered it wrong |
| 18:03.46 | cladhaire | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.10 is all there is to know |
| 18:03.47 | Erica647 | is no longer away : Gone for 11 minutes 14 seconds |
| 18:03.56 | cladhaire | except for scouring the source, which I've done |
| 18:04.02 | cladhaire | it takes a bit to grok what its doing |
| 18:04.33 | cladhaire | The moral of the story is, it should work quite well for almost all users, but if you want a tighter more aggressive bound, you can change the multiplier. |
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| 18:05.29 | sylvanaar | cladhaire yeah, i read the manual, and i embed lua in my projects at work, so i'm familiar with the source, i was more asking if wow did anything different in their implementation |
| 18:05.37 | cladhaire | Wow's multiplier is 200 by default, you can continue raising that (realizing that 200 is twice as fast as memory is allocated, 300 is three times) |
| 18:05.59 | cladhaire | nope, all wow does is call collectgarbage("step") every frame when the player is not in combat |
| 18:06.09 | cladhaire | possibly with framerate requirements, as GCTweak used to do |
| 18:06.09 | sylvanaar | gotcha |
| 18:06.24 | cladhaire | that's all it does, you can see the source for GCTweak on wowi to see what it did |
| 18:06.31 | cladhaire | just at the C level |
| 18:06.37 | sylvanaar | im looking at it now, yeah |
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| 18:16.48 | Shot | i hate how my mind thinks there should be a refresh button where the bid button is |
| 18:17.31 | Shot | i was costing up mats for moonshroud gloves & robe |
| 18:17.54 | Shot | some time just after i worked out that i can get them crafted for a little over 1k for them both, i accidentally bid 910g on the gloves :( |
| 18:18.01 | Shot | ah well |
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| 18:20.31 | sztanphet | btw did the patch land? |
| 18:20.43 | Erica647 | no |
| 18:20.55 | ulic | as far as I know today is only new arena day. |
| 18:21.03 | ulic | +season |
| 18:21.32 | Erica647 | Is this working? Trying out a new client |
| 18:21.58 | SunTsu | Erica647: No |
| 18:22.14 | Erica647 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.27 | SunTsu | Erica647: Because it already failed at public away |
| 18:22.43 | RaydenUni | lvl 55 DK on every server |
| 18:22.52 | Erica647 | I saw that message but not sure what's wrong |
| 18:22.53 | RaydenUni | i can only see this as the next step towards making any character at 55 |
| 18:23.14 | SunTsu | RaydenUni: That is what was announced as a DK feature anyway |
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| 18:23.25 | RaydenUni | now it's on any server |
| 18:23.30 | RaydenUni | you don't need a 55 on that server |
| 18:23.38 | RaydenUni | so people can now start a 55 on a friend's server |
| 18:24.44 | SunTsu | RaydenUni: I keep repeating myself. That is exactly what was announced |
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| 18:25.10 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 18:25.14 | RaydenUni | that's all i'm saying |
| 18:25.19 | RaydenUni | repeating what was announced |
| 18:25.24 | RaydenUni | and then adding my opinion on where it takes us |
| 18:25.37 | Repo | 10handy-notes_vendors: 03zarevak 04v1.1.2 Release * r45 : |
| 18:25.39 | Repo | Tagging as v1.1.2 Release. Added deDE translation by Aiwendyl <Das Syndikat> |
| 18:26.07 | SunTsu | RaydenUni: No, because it's a feature and why it is a hero class. And the initial announcement already said that you can make a DK level 55 on any given server. So it's nothing new |
| 18:26.42 | RaydenUni | the initial announcement? |
| 18:26.52 | RaydenUni | so at one point they restricted it to only be on servers you are on? |
| 18:27.01 | RaydenUni | doesn't really matter as that didn't go live |
| 18:27.13 | RaydenUni | still it's an incentive to roll more death knights and not roll something else |
| 18:27.23 | RaydenUni | i roll on a new server, am i going to roll a lvl 1 or a lvl 55? |
| 18:27.26 | RaydenUni | pretty easy choice |
| 18:27.39 | SunTsu | RaydenUni: Obviously you'd roll the class you want |
| 18:29.54 | Arrowmaster | i tried the other week and you could not make a character on another server without a lvl 55 on that server |
| 18:30.22 | SunTsu | Arrowmaster: Yeah, it is coming up next patch, afaik |
| 18:30.32 | Shirik | Can I help you Erica647? |
| 18:30.36 | Dashkal | RaydenUni: that only works if you can handle the mechanics of a DK. So far I'm the only one in my guild who actually made the switch |
| 18:30.36 | SunTsu | Arrowmaster: But it's just something that was promised beforehand |
| 18:30.40 | RaydenUni | Arrowmaster comes with the new patch |
| 18:32.03 | Dashkal | Druid tanks: "The change for Swipe to generate an additional 50% threat is now live. Please let us know how it goes." - GC |
| 18:32.31 | SunTsu | Erica647: Anything special you are interested in? |
| 18:32.44 | Skellum | [12:27] <SunTsu> RaydenUni: Obviously you'd roll the class you want |
| 18:32.53 | Skellum | Completely depends on how I want to play. |
| 18:33.01 | Skellum | I have a 70 druid, and a 70 pally. |
| 18:33.15 | Skellum | They will be leveled last, my now 70 DK, is going to be my melee DPS char |
| 18:33.20 | RaydenUni | what |
| 18:33.24 | RaydenUni | swipe now does 50% more dmg? |
| 18:33.30 | RaydenUni | oh threat |
| 18:33.33 | Skellum | The ease of use, and abilitys of a DK make leveling one incredibly easy as well as fun |
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| 18:33.37 | Shot | if i didn't alreayd have a DK at 78 on my realm, it'd be the class I'd certainly roll on another server |
| 18:33.40 | RaydenUni | i havent' been having aoe threat problems as a druid really |
| 18:33.48 | Shot | a large part of the reasoning would have been the 1-55 skippage |
| 18:34.01 | RaydenUni | thats 55 levels sooner you get to play with your friend |
| 18:34.06 | Shot | exactly |
| 18:34.10 | NivFreak | warriors are about to return to the weakest aoe tanks |
| 18:34.11 | Skellum | They claim there are more changes in the works to make 1-55 less suck |
| 18:34.15 | NivFreak | with the bear swipe buff |
| 18:34.21 | Shot | that, and i enjoy the DK (the idea, aswell as the execution) |
| 18:34.28 | RaydenUni | i need to play my DK more |
| 18:34.35 | RaydenUni | i've been focusing on my druid to get to 80 |
| 18:34.38 | SunTsu | Skellum: I know enough people who can't stand playing DKs. And they still can't healk |
| 18:34.38 | RaydenUni | 77 right now |
| 18:34.39 | Skellum | Niv, warrior single target is getting an indirect buff with the druid AC nerf |
| 18:34.41 | SunTsu | -k |
| 18:34.42 | Dashkal | About the only way to make 1-55 suck less is to either remove it (roll at 55 no matter who you are) or redo it to current standards |
| 18:34.48 | NivFreak | Skellum: huh? |
| 18:34.50 | Skellum | SunTsu, Glyph of Deathstrike |
| 18:34.53 | Shot | i haven't been focussing - my DK is 78, my druid is 76 :) |
| 18:34.54 | RaydenUni | how so Skellum ? |
| 18:34.56 | Arrowmaster | 1-55 would suck less if they cleaned up the old world stuff |
| 18:34.58 | Skellum | Exploite it while you can |
| 18:35.07 | SunTsu | Skellum: That turns them into a raid healer? Great |
| 18:35.12 | Shot | my druid does have a near full set of gear ready for dinging 80 though |
| 18:35.18 | SunTsu | Didn't know that |
| 18:35.21 | RaydenUni | Skellum how is druid AC buffing warriors? |
| 18:35.26 | RaydenUni | how shot? |
| 18:35.28 | Skellum | Indirectly |
| 18:35.33 | RaydenUni | Skellum explain |
| 18:35.33 | Skellum | By influencing who you chose as a MT |
| 18:35.33 | NivFreak | how |
| 18:35.37 | NivFreak | lol |
| 18:35.39 | Shot | RaydenUni: BoEs, there are plenty of them around |
| 18:35.46 | Skellum | Damnit, hard to type and drink soup! |
| 18:35.48 | RaydenUni | druids aren't really getting nerfed |
| 18:35.54 | RaydenUni | it's just a repositioning of mitigation |
| 18:36.00 | Shot | i got the earthgiving stuff crafted, wispcloak, will have moonshroud gloves & robe |
| 18:36.00 | RaydenUni | for the most part |
| 18:36.07 | Arrowmaster | and its something they said long ago would happen |
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| 18:36.11 | NeoTron | Dashkal: I'm uncrittable without so I have to figure out if it's worth getting the runeforge and trinket and reduce defense elsewhere (gems or enchants) |
| 18:36.14 | Skellum | I know some hunters have been eyeing those changed feral staves |
| 18:36.17 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 18:36.25 | RaydenUni | i'm also eyeying... the 2h maces |
| 18:36.25 | Shot | i've got neck, off-hand, shoulders in the bank |
| 18:36.28 | RaydenUni | wish we could use polearms |
| 18:36.29 | NivFreak | the biggest limiting factor I have as a prot warrior when AoE tanking, is I don't have anything I can spam as needed to pick up additional mobs |
| 18:36.32 | RaydenUni | and duel wield |
| 18:36.34 | NivFreak | 6 sec CD on thunderclap |
| 18:36.36 | NivFreak | 20 on shockwave |
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| 18:36.40 | Dashkal | NeoTron: That's why I'm not nearly done with defense. I would much prefer parry for extra rune strikes to defense |
| 18:36.41 | NivFreak | and demo shout won't cut it |
| 18:37.02 | NivFreak | RaydenUni: I thought druids could use polearms in 3.0.8 |
| 18:37.08 | Skellum | In raids, I have yet to see really any situations where a prot warrior wasnt more then adequate for picking up an AoE pack |
| 18:37.09 | RaydenUni | not that i've heard |
| 18:37.11 | Shot | i had a warr tank in VH earlier who refused to even try to aoe tank, the adds were running towards the door and he said "i can't get the adds, i'm a warrior tank" :( |
| 18:37.16 | Shot | it made me cry a little inside |
| 18:37.19 | RaydenUni | NivFreak do you have a source on that? i'd be really excited |
| 18:37.19 | Skellum | lol |
| 18:37.22 | NeoTron | they didn't release the patch today right? |
| 18:37.24 | NivFreak | Shot: that's bad |
| 18:37.27 | Skellum | no patch yet |
| 18:37.36 | NivFreak | Shot: the only time I have issues is on shit like gothik |
| 18:37.42 | Shot | NivFreak: no kidding. It's exactly what my addon is for <3 |
| 18:37.43 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: druids can use polearms in 3.0.8 |
| 18:37.51 | NivFreak | RaydenUni: Polearms: Now trainable by Druids. |
| 18:37.52 | Fisker- | bah |
| 18:37.52 | Skellum | we threw a DK on the live side niv |
| 18:37.54 | Skellum | Unholy |
| 18:37.57 | Fisker- | something is disconnecting me on 4 horsemen |
| 18:37.58 | NivFreak | yea |
| 18:38.03 | RaydenUni | sweet |
| 18:38.04 | NivFreak | Fisker-: lots of people have that issue |
| 18:38.15 | Skellum | Increases the casters DPS quite a bit, war focuses on the big stuff, horsies and DKs |
| 18:38.16 | RaydenUni | so this opens up 2h maces, polearms, i forget if we can use axes |
| 18:38.19 | RaydenUni | i don't think so... |
| 18:38.25 | NivFreak | Skellum: yea, that's what we do now |
| 18:38.27 | NivFreak | it's overkill |
| 18:38.30 | NivFreak | but dead simple |
| 18:38.35 | Fisker- | any thread about it NivFreak ? |
| 18:38.40 | NivFreak | Fisker-: several |
| 18:38.47 | NivFreak | Fisker-: want me to find you a couple? |
| 18:38.51 | Fisker- | sure |
| 18:38.51 | NeoTron | Shot: wow you managed to find a wartard |
| 18:38.52 | RaydenUni | nope, no axes |
| 18:38.55 | Skellum | Kurinaxxramas |
| 18:38.57 | Fisker- | do they know if it's addon related? |
| 18:38.58 | NivFreak | Fisker-: one sec |
| 18:39.02 | NivFreak | it is not addon related |
| 18:39.05 | Shot | NeoTron: levelling in pugs, it's dangerous |
| 18:39.17 | Fisker- | damn |
| 18:39.21 | NeoTron | NivFreak: when you realize that only the DK's and horsement needs to be tanked for gothik (10 man at least), it's not so hard :P |
| 18:39.29 | Fisker- | must be my dps :D |
| 18:39.37 | Shot | i've added about 50 people to the negative list on my addon since i started levelling from 70, most of them are tanks |
| 18:39.38 | RaydenUni | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html <-- i don't see a mention of polearms under druids |
| 18:39.45 | pastamancer | Fisker-: speaking of 4H, how much health do your caster tanks have? |
| 18:39.47 | RaydenUni | no mention of polearm anywhere actually |
| 18:39.48 | Shot | and i use the term "tanks" very loosely |
| 18:39.48 | NivFreak | NeoTron: healers die fast in 25man |
| 18:39.52 | NivFreak | 10man is a joke |
| 18:39.57 | Skellum | I try hard to avoid groups while leveling |
| 18:39.58 | NeoTron | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=7190770922&sid=1 |
| 18:40.12 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: check that post instead |
| 18:40.14 | NivFreak | pastamancer: 9k hits + ticks |
| 18:40.17 | RaydenUni | k |
| 18:40.23 | Shot | i'm a resto druid, i enjoy healing, i even enjoy the challenge of playing with retards :( |
| 18:40.27 | NivFreak | I think our "tanks" have ~18k |
| 18:40.37 | Shot | i had a group for DTK yesterday and not a single person did more than 700 dps |
| 18:40.38 | pastamancer | NivFreak: I know, it's pretty scary with 19-20k |
| 18:40.42 | NivFreak | yep |
| 18:40.43 | NivFreak | it is |
| 18:40.45 | Shot | it was slooooow |
| 18:40.49 | NivFreak | we started putting a DK on one |
| 18:40.55 | NivFreak | and a demo lock on the other |
| 18:40.58 | RaydenUni | i was doing 1300dps on the Zul'Drak arena bosses. that made me happy |
| 18:41.04 | NivFreak | then after the first HM is down |
| 18:41.05 | NeoTron | Shot: surely that must have been new level 70s in a level 70 instance right? :P |
| 18:41.11 | NivFreak | we send the 2nd tank back to take over for the lock |
| 18:41.12 | pastamancer | we've got two off-spec healers tanking and two real healers keeping them up |
| 18:41.17 | Shot | that was 75-76s in a 74 instance :( |
| 18:41.25 | NivFreak | Fisker-: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=31B8C652A44A269BFBF6CCEF9457E5A0.app23_01?topicId=13129906007&sid=1 |
| 18:41.30 | Skellum | [12:40] <Shot> i had a group for DTK yesterday and not a single person did more than 700 dps; How the hell? |
| 18:41.30 | NivFreak | Fisker-: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=6417C3511AE534647247A04ACE33B011.app25_01?topicId=13129902945&sid=1 |
| 18:41.33 | Shot | sometimes i end up with a good group, my gundrak group were all pushing 1400 |
| 18:41.34 | pastamancer | last time was an enh shaman and a shadowpriest (me) |
| 18:41.49 | Shot | Skellum: you have no idea of the horrors i've seen |
| 18:41.57 | NivFreak | pastamancer: we use a holy pally and resto druid to heal the back |
| 18:41.58 | Skellum | I hate groupnig with warlocks when I'm on my alt. |
| 18:41.59 | Shot | let me find that paladin's armoury profile... |
| 18:41.59 | NeoTron | Shot: of course I've seen level 80s in naxx-25 do ~1200 dps on patchwerk |
| 18:42.08 | NivFreak | and then send 2 more healers after the first HM dies |
| 18:42.11 | Skellum | I get an uncontrollable urge to try and fix the horrible things thair doing. |
| 18:42.12 | Shot | :( |
| 18:42.20 | NivFreak | NeoTron: wtf |
| 18:42.21 | Skellum | they're |
| 18:42.30 | pastamancer | NivFreak: so two healers in back to start, or four? |
| 18:42.33 | NeoTron | NivFreak: not my guild fortunately.. |
| 18:42.36 | RaydenUni | that thread is not coming up |
| 18:42.50 | NivFreak | pastamancer: we start with 2, but they have to pretty much non-stop spam |
| 18:43.14 | NivFreak | we never even switch the front horsemen |
| 18:43.21 | NivFreak | we burn the first one, end with 5-6 debuffs stacked |
| 18:43.28 | NivFreak | then MT takes baron off the OT |
| 18:43.30 | pastamancer | NivFreak: gotcha. there's just so little room for error in the back |
| 18:43.34 | NivFreak | and that OT and his 2 healers go to the back |
| 18:43.36 | Shot | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=Drúnken |
| 18:43.36 | NivFreak | to strengthen things |
| 18:43.47 | Shot | Take a look at that winner in my DTK group from yesterday |
| 18:43.49 | Shot | he's awesome |
| 18:43.52 | Fisker- | hanks NivFreak :o |
| 18:43.52 | NivFreak | pastamancer: agree'd, it's touchy with 2 healers in the back |
| 18:43.56 | Shot | lvl 64 sword at 74 <3 |
| 18:43.56 | Fisker- | ah |
| 18:44.00 | Fisker- | that's why i didn't notice it |
| 18:44.03 | Fisker- | he claims it's 25-man only |
| 18:44.04 | NivFreak | pastamancer: but you can add a 3rd in the middle to heal on movement |
| 18:44.09 | NivFreak | if you can afford the healers |
| 18:44.10 | NeoTron | there too => http://www.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 18:44.16 | pomp | lame! maintenance extended 2 hours |
| 18:44.18 | Shot | hmm |
| 18:44.20 | Skellum | The heirloom items make things awesome |
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| 18:44.26 | NivFreak | pomp: I better have mail this time! |
| 18:44.38 | Skellum | My DK has loved her Bloodied Arcanite reaper and +10% exp shoulders |
| 18:44.40 | Shot | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=Drúnken |
| 18:44.43 | Shot | ah ha |
| 18:44.47 | Shot | that link should work better |
| 18:45.05 | Shot | make sure you're sitting down. |
| 18:45.09 | Skellum | so how many of you are eu? |
| 18:45.12 | RaydenUni | yay dots now top |
| 18:45.18 | pastamancer | NivFreak: we stick the healers up on the platform so they're out of the mark range. |
| 18:45.22 | Skellum | That change came though today? |
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| 18:45.43 | RaydenUni | i'm US |
| 18:45.44 | Skellum | Do you have any idea rayden how happy that Tap change made me? |
| 18:45.53 | RaydenUni | it makes my spriest very happy |
| 18:45.55 | Skellum | After years and years of...dotdotdot MOONFIRE! |
| 18:46.02 | RaydenUni | wasting a VT on a mob that an alliance will get... grr |
| 18:46.11 | Groktar | i got an advert for a large 1 topping pizza for $5. i called to order a large pepperoni and the guy asked me if i wanted pepperoni OR cheese on it, but i wanted both :( |
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| 18:46.17 | Skellum | Oh god...farming for that Robe of the Void mats. Azshara, all those china farming hunters |
| 18:46.31 | RaydenUni | cheese isn't a topping on a pizza |
| 18:46.51 | Groktar | yeah... |
| 18:47.06 | Groktar | that's why i don't understand why i have to choose |
| 18:47.20 | Groktar | i just said "large pepperoni" |
| 18:47.28 | NivFreak | you tried to buy a cheap pizza |
| 18:47.35 | NivFreak | cheap pizza places do stupid shit like that |
| 18:47.56 | Nechckn | tell him you want pepperoni, just to see what shows up |
| 18:47.58 | RaydenUni | tell him you don't want extra cheese |
| 18:48.00 | Nechckn | Live on the edge! |
| 18:48.00 | Groktar | i did lol |
| 18:48.08 | RaydenUni | just a normal amount of cheese with pepperoni as the topping |
| 18:48.21 | RaydenUni | if he questions then ask what you get if you get a pizza with no toppings |
| 18:48.34 | Nechckn | cooked dough? |
| 18:48.41 | RaydenUni | with tomato paste :D |
| 18:48.45 | Skellum | Todays fortune cookie said: Do the things you fear, and the death of fear is certain. |
| 18:48.47 | Nechckn | then again, maybe the cooking is extra |
| 18:48.56 | RaydenUni | then ask him if you need to look up the legal definition of a pizza and see if it includes cheese :D |
| 18:49.02 | Skellum | I love this chinese food place. Soooo cheap, but such good food, and good fortunes in their cookies. |
| 18:49.12 | RaydenUni | or just death |
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| 18:49.22 | Skellum | one or the other |
| 18:49.24 | RaydenUni | i had the best fortune a few years ago |
| 18:49.32 | RaydenUni | "The first blow does not always fell the tree." |
| 18:49.32 | RaydenUni | :D |
| 18:52.31 | RaydenUni | you have to admit that one is pretty good |
| 18:54.54 | RaydenUni | "Now to be totally fair, I initially didn't think the situation was that bad. I thought there were plenty of armor trinkets, necks and rings in the game, and that enough stamina or other stats would make up for the armor. But players showed (on this and other forums) that the math heavily favored a few, relatively rare +armor pieces. And we ended up changing our minds on the issue." |
| 18:54.55 | RaydenUni | awesome |
| 18:55.24 | Skellum | My favorite "Keep on, dont give up" Messages was sung by this kind computer |
| 18:55.30 | Skellum | in some video game |
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| 19:03.15 | ckknight | RaydenUni: that actually is an insightful fortune |
| 19:03.26 | ckknight | most are just "cheat on your wife, it's more fun that way" |
| 19:05.16 | Skellum | wait, what? Are they undoing the +AC change for druids? |
| 19:06.04 | Skellum | Also, finding a good chinese food place near you is key, its one of those things you should do as soon as you move somewhere new |
| 19:07.17 | Arrowmaster | the local chinese food place here makes wontons larger than golf balls |
| 19:08.19 | Skellum | wow.... |
| 19:08.20 | Skellum | http://freshome.com/2008/03/13/the-creepiest-chair-youll-ever-see/ |
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| 19:10.42 | Arrowmaster | ewe |
| 19:10.59 | pastamancer | I must have that chair |
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| 19:11.56 | NeoTron | Skellum: what a sheep looking chair |
| 19:12.56 | Fisker- | yay |
| 19:12.58 | Fisker- | 4 piece T7 |
| 19:19.21 | Skellum | class fisker? |
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| 19:29.42 | EthanCentaurai | Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me! Happy birthday dear Ethan, happy birthday to me! |
| 19:29.50 | EthanCentaurai | cracks open another beer |
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| 19:30.17 | Skellum | happy birthday! |
| 19:30.21 | Skellum | I hope you picked Academy |
| 19:31.32 | EthanCentaurai | Academy? |
| 19:31.48 | Skellum | whichever that OP faction in Alpha Centaurai was |
| 19:31.58 | Skellum | Academy, university something like that |
| 19:32.42 | Kaelten | lol, happy bday ethan |
| 19:32.45 | EthanCentaurai | ah, never played that game :P |
| 19:32.55 | EthanCentaurai | ty Kaelten :) |
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| 19:33.42 | EthanCentaurai | 22... man I'm getting old :/ |
| 19:34.03 | Skellum | I'll be 23 in march |
| 19:34.20 | Skellum | And gasp! Its a great game, even now with its outdated graphics...still a wonderful game |
| 19:34.48 | EthanCentaurai | does it work on Mac? |
| 19:36.34 | Skellum | Dunno...I would imaine they made a mac version |
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| 19:37.08 | Skellum | http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/27029385/Alpha+Centauri+Mac?tab=summary |
| 19:37.09 | Skellum | Shows mac |
| 19:37.55 | EthanCentaurai | ah, I don't have Classic atm |
| 19:38.06 | Repo | 10mini-pet: 03LordFarlander 044.5.144-release * r144 : Tagging as 4.5.144-release |
| 19:39.08 | Skellum | wayyyy back in the day when mac was that crazed thing CAD and art people used |
| 19:39.29 | Skellum | The first blizzard game I ever played was on my friends mac |
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| 19:42.59 | Deviad | How can I see my keyring with onebank3? |
| 19:43.07 | Deviad | it doesn't have a keyring interface |
| 19:43.07 | Deviad | :\ |
| 19:43.15 | Deviad | onebag* |
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| 19:45.23 | Skellum | Iirc, theres a show bags button |
| 19:45.32 | Skellum | click that, then click the key ring button |
| 19:46.06 | Kaelten | Deviad: for now you'll need to set a keybinding to open your keyring |
| 19:46.12 | Kaelten | i'll get to onering soon |
| 19:46.30 | Deviad | Kaelten, hi kaelten, nice to meet you |
| 19:46.36 | Deviad | OK, thank you. :) |
| 19:46.40 | Kaelten | :) |
| 19:46.45 | Skellum | You make onebag? I really enjoyed that mod |
| 19:46.47 | Deviad | I will bind it on a keyboard key :) |
| 19:47.19 | Deviad | for now I mean |
| 19:47.24 | EthanCentaurai | Kaelten, I broke OneBank again :/ |
| 19:47.56 | ckknight | onebag is pretty sweet |
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| 19:48.35 | Kaelten | EthanCentaurai: how so? |
| 19:48.35 | ckknight | especially when it makes that face when it's tonguing my balls |
| 19:48.35 | Zergreth | anybody got a good alternative for redrange? it seems to use a shitload of cpu, pisses me of, kinda |
| 19:48.35 | Zergreth | :/ |
| 19:48.35 | Zergreth | *off |
| 19:48.35 | EthanCentaurai | Kaelten: http://www.wowace.com/projects/onebank3/tickets/7-error-when-tweaking-options/ |
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| 19:49.00 | Kaelten | EthanCentaurai: ah, I'll fix when I get home |
| 19:49.06 | EthanCentaurai | kk :) |
| 19:49.15 | EthanCentaurai | giefs Kaelten a beer |
| 19:49.19 | Zergreth | ;p |
| 19:49.50 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 19:49.51 | Kaelten | I wish |
| 19:50.11 | Zergreth | soo, uuhhhh, does anybody have a good redrange alternative, or does anybody have any idea why that thing eats so much cpu? |
| 19:51.15 | Kaelten | EthanCentaurai: other impressions on the current versions? |
| 19:51.50 | EthanCentaurai | <3 OneBag and OneBank, can't wait for OneRing |
| 19:53.11 | ckknight | I want OneSandwich |
| 19:53.22 | Zergreth | i just had OneBurger |
| 19:53.23 | Kaelten | write a plugin |
| 19:53.31 | Zhinjio | wants OneMillionDallah! |
| 19:53.46 | Zergreth | and i STILL need at least a response to the redrange issue, im feeling so ignored :( sorry guys |
| 19:54.09 | EthanCentaurai | I assume redrange is an actionbar thing |
| 19:54.20 | EthanCentaurai | I use Bartender4 for things like that |
| 19:54.26 | Zergreth | oh, well |
| 19:54.35 | Zergreth | for explanation, redrange colors out of range buttons red |
| 19:54.43 | Zergreth | im using it with dominos, which doesnt have it inbuilt |
| 19:54.51 | Kaelten | someone type onering for me |
| 19:55.04 | Zergreth | is onering really that important? |
| 19:55.11 | Kaelten | thanks zerg :) |
| 19:55.31 | Zergreth | the keyring frame is a single frame by default anyway |
| 19:55.45 | Kaelten | ya |
| 19:55.59 | Kaelten | giving it the same style as the rest of your bags is nice though |
| 19:56.02 | EthanCentaurai | I'd bother the author of Dominos myself |
| 19:56.05 | Zergreth | true ;f |
| 19:56.17 | Zergreth | EthanCentaurai, tuller wants to keep this as simple as possible |
| 19:56.30 | Zergreth | im sure he wont add support, he directs users to redrange in the addon description |
| 19:56.31 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: does bt4 do red range stuff? |
| 19:56.36 | Zergreth | Kaelten, yes |
| 19:56.47 | Kaelten | Zergreth: could switch then? |
| 19:57.01 | Zergreth | i switched to dominos because of a more dramatic problem with bt4 |
| 19:57.08 | Kaelten | oh? |
| 19:57.19 | Zergreth | the borders on the pet bar action buttons would always show, no matter if they are empty or not |
| 19:57.26 | Zergreth | and having borders on empty buttons sucks |
| 19:57.49 | Zergreth | and im way too lazy to fix the problem myself |
| 19:57.52 | EthanCentaurai | I don't have that problem :/ |
| 19:58.05 | Zergreth | EthanCentaurai, using default layout? |
| 19:58.05 | nevcairiel | no one except Zergreth has that problem :p |
| 19:58.07 | Zergreth | as in, blizzard? |
| 19:58.14 | Zergreth | nevcairiel, several others have it too |
| 19:58.20 | EthanCentaurai | no, with DreamLayout skin with ButtonFacade |
| 19:58.27 | Zergreth | dreamlayout doesnt use borders |
| 19:58.35 | Zergreth | the actual "border" of dreamlayout is its background |
| 19:58.44 | nevcairiel | i use the default blizzard layout for the pet bar |
| 19:58.47 | nevcairiel | no border visible |
| 19:58.59 | Zenom | Kaelten: can you sort bags in onebag right now? |
| 19:59.00 | Zergreth | well, i dont like the default blizzard one. im picky about that kinda stuff |
| 19:59.01 | Zergreth | :/ |
| 19:59.10 | Zenom | or is it just literally one bag |
| 19:59.12 | Zenom | hehe |
| 19:59.25 | Kaelten | Zenom: I have a framework setup for sort plugins |
| 19:59.39 | Kaelten | the default one just displays the slots in order |
| 19:59.57 | Kaelten | going to start hacking on one that actually does something neat soon |
| 20:00.04 | Zenom | very cool |
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| 20:00.27 | Kaelten | ewe it's a smelly torhal |
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| 20:00.43 | Torhal | Kaelten: Very. |
| 20:00.46 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:00.55 | Zergreth | ... |
| 20:01.19 | Zergreth | nevcairiel, any idea why an addon such as redrange uses so much cpu? |
| 20:07.40 | Kaelten | Zergreth: probably something simple, he might use an onupdate where events would suffice, or something similar |
| 20:08.03 | Torhal | I seem to remember reading that every addon that checks range is an insane CPU hog. |
| 20:08.15 | Zergreth | torhal, probably depends on what it does |
| 20:08.29 | Kaelten | possible, I haven't noticed bt4 being bad |
| 20:08.34 | Zergreth | if rangedisplay rings a bell, im using that. its a textdisplay for the range to your target. and it uses almost nothing |
| 20:11.34 | Kaelten | the code in redrange looks pretty clean |
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| 20:11.45 | Kaelten | and iriel is very good |
| 20:11.55 | Kaelten | have you tired asking him? |
| 20:12.02 | Kaelten | he can be found in #wowuidev many times |
| 20:12.20 | Zergreth | hmm |
| 20:12.22 | Zergreth | will give it a try |
| 20:12.39 | Zergreth | hes not there it seems |
| 20:13.03 | Kaelten | he has code in there limiting it so it won't update but 10 times a second |
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| 20:13.19 | Kaelten | so he is throttling it |
| 20:13.34 | Zergreth | yea, i saw that part |
| 20:13.42 | Zergreth | but the usage of this is skyrocketing for some reason |
| 20:13.45 | nevcairiel | Zergreth: redrange has to use an OnUpdate because there are no events for range change |
| 20:13.47 | korogiannos | Could someone point me in the general direction of a "General WoW chat" channel? I'd go for trade channel but on holiday and my PC can only just handle IRC let alone WoW. Thanks in advance. |
| 20:13.52 | nevcairiel | so yes, it has to use somewhat more cpu |
| 20:14.06 | Kaelten | Zergreth: on line 20 you could change the .1 to like .2 |
| 20:14.16 | Kaelten | that'd help some |
| 20:14.30 | Zergreth | i will try and compare |
| 20:15.17 | nevcairiel | however, redrange uses securehooks, whcih use some more cpu |
| 20:15.21 | nevcairiel | and bt4 has it all integrated |
| 20:16.04 | Kaelten | nevcairiel, ya |
| 20:16.43 | Zergreth | hmm |
| 20:17.03 | Zergreth | i got a theory on how to get addon cpu usage in percent and need it verified |
| 20:17.13 | korogiannos | Judging by the chat so far, I guess this is an addon programmers room. I already feel invasive, but have no idea where to go for "general wow chatting" please enlighten me. |
| 20:17.27 | NeoTron | korogiannos: I'm not aware of any myself |
| 20:17.28 | Zergreth | first, update the cpu usage. then, use GetAddOnCPUUsage() and divide the return value by GetScriptCPUUsage() |
| 20:17.29 | Zhinjio | korogiannos: in game? |
| 20:17.35 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 20:17.39 | NeoTron | Zhinjio: see above - out of game |
| 20:17.39 | Zergreth | multiply by 100...would that do the trick, or am i wrong here? |
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| 20:18.31 | Zhinjio | Zergreth: that will give you your addon's cpu usage as compared with the overall cpu usage. |
| 20:18.37 | Zhinjio | if that is your goal, I think that'll work |
| 20:19.06 | Zergreth | thats what i thought it would do and thats what i need. yup, thanks for veryfying that, i was still somewhat unsure |
| 20:19.06 | Zergreth | :D |
| 20:20.36 | korogiannos | I'll try my good friend google. I'll leave with this final note. I love the work you guys do. and it was a pleasure to grab just a taste of what goes on behind the scenes before the release of an epic addon. Have a great evening. And KEEP UP THE HARD WORK (for us unappreciative, lazy *****) : ) |
| 20:21.09 | Repo | 10broker_garbagefu: 03LordFarlander * r15 / (2 files in 2 directories): Broker_GarbageFu |
| 20:21.11 | Repo | - Support to ignore inscriptioning bags |
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| 20:21.38 | NeoTron | always nice with some random user appreciation |
| 20:21.43 | Zergreth | yup |
| 20:21.44 | ckknight | yea, I was thinking that |
| 20:21.46 | Zenom | heh |
| 20:21.57 | Repo | 10broker_garbagefu: 03LordFarlander 043.0.15-beta * r16 : Tagging as 3.0.15-beta |
| 20:21.58 | Zenom | Now get back to work, j/k. |
| 20:22.07 | ckknight | I am working |
| 20:22.09 | RaydenUni | hey |
| 20:22.11 | ckknight | or at least pretending real hard |
| 20:22.13 | RaydenUni | worldofwarcraft.com runs on rails |
| 20:22.15 | Zenom | haha |
| 20:22.16 | Zergreth | GetScriptCPUUsage() should get the total time used by all addons, right? |
| 20:22.30 | Zergreth | RaydenUni, it does? o.O |
| 20:22.31 | ckknight | RaydenUni: I thought it was Java Tomcat |
| 20:22.35 | ckknight | or something |
| 20:22.41 | Zenom | ya i don't think its rails |
| 20:22.47 | RaydenUni | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/en/patchnotes?rhtml=y <-- rhtml? |
| 20:23.05 | Zenom | you can make any extension you want |
| 20:23.05 | ckknight | nah, I bet it means something else |
| 20:23.16 | Zenom | ya, i mean you can make php parse .rhtml files too if you wanted |
| 20:23.17 | ckknight | and rails people haven't used rhtml since like 1.2 :-P |
| 20:23.21 | ckknight | .html.erb ftw |
| 20:23.29 | ckknight | though actually .html.haml ftw |
| 20:23.29 | ckknight | :-P |
| 20:23.34 | Zergreth | o.O |
| 20:23.34 | RaydenUni | yeah but who else uses rhtml? |
| 20:23.37 | Zergreth | what the hell |
| 20:23.42 | ckknight | Zergreth: what? |
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| 20:23.48 | Jaxon | ~wowalert |
| 20:23.48 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 20:23.54 | Jaxon | thanks purl! |
| 20:24.10 | Zergreth | ckknight, wondering about your extension preferences |
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| 20:24.22 | ckknight | Zergreth: what? it's a really nice way to handle it |
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| 20:24.28 | ckknight | so you have thing.rss.builder |
| 20:24.34 | ckknight | which uses builder and ends up with an rss file |
| 20:24.40 | Zergreth | hm |
| 20:24.40 | ckknight | but you could have thing.rss.erb |
| 20:24.47 | ckknight | or whatever |
| 20:25.01 | Zergreth | ehh, whatever |
| 20:25.04 | ckknight | better than rxml |
| 20:25.15 | ckknight | or rhtml |
| 20:25.17 | ckknight | or whatever |
| 20:26.04 | Zergreth | can i assume that GetScriptCPUUsage() is the total cpu usage of all addons? |
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| 20:27.26 | Zergreth | >.< |
| 20:28.57 | ckknight | yes |
| 20:29.00 | ckknight | ...probably |
| 20:29.13 | CiscOH_ | perhaps |
| 20:29.25 | Zergreth | so basically, GetAddOnCPUUsage() of every single addon together? |
| 20:29.41 | Zergreth | that would mean that redrange just used 33% of the total addon cpu usage |
| 20:29.49 | Zergreth | and it continued climbing up the usage ladder |
| 20:29.49 | Zergreth | D: |
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| 20:31.28 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03ckknight 06tagtest * r1876 PitBull.lua: Just a test |
| 20:32.21 | CiscOH_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.51 | Zergreth | yea, i read that |
| 20:32.59 | Zergreth | though it doesnt make complete sense to me, thats why i asked |
| 20:33.11 | Cheads | uhm.. is there an addon that tracks all the new dailies? |
| 20:33.24 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03ckknight 06tagtest * r1877 PitBull.lua: Just a test |
| 20:33.39 | CiscOH_ | UpdateAddOnCPUUsage() - Scan through the profiling data and update the per-addon statistics |
| 20:33.52 | CiscOH_ | GetAddOnCPUUsage(index or \"name\") - Returns the total time used by the specified AddOn. This returns a cached value calculated by UpdateAddOnCPUUsage(). |
| 20:34.34 | Zergreth | i know and i know |
| 20:36.13 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03ckknight 06tagtest * r1878 PitBull.lua: Another test |
| 20:36.29 | CiscOH_ | which part does not make sense? |
| 20:37.13 | Zergreth | they all make sense by now |
| 20:37.14 | Zergreth | ;p |
| 20:37.35 | CiscOH_ | ok |
| 20:37.43 | Repo | 10chatter: 03verotas * r216 / (5 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 20:37.46 | Repo | Localization/koKR.lua : update koKR translations w/ r215 changes |
| 20:37.48 | Repo | Modules/ChannelColors : fix missing Raid & Battleground stuff |
| 20:37.51 | Repo | Modules/ChannelNames : fix "Raid Warning" & add koKR whisper handling |
| 20:37.53 | Repo | Modules/PlayerNames : fix shift+click in non enUS client |
| 20:39.03 | Stanzilla | w0t |
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| 20:47.18 | Mikk | am i high on smack or did Violation use to have a decursing module? |
| 20:47.47 | Gngsk | can't it be both? |
| 20:47.51 | Tinyboom | any chance someon will update "instancemaps" or is there a viable alternative for mapster? |
| 20:48.17 | Gngsk | Tinyboom, arrowmaster has been updating instancemaps I thought |
| 20:48.31 | Tinyboom | huh? alpha's perhaps then? |
| 20:48.32 | Stanzilla | asks Mikk to check what this korean guy did to chatter :O |
| 20:48.40 | Mikk | hm? broke? |
| 20:48.49 | Stanzilla | I dunno |
| 20:48.54 | Stanzilla | he just commented stuff out |
| 20:48.58 | Mikk | erhm |
| 20:49.00 | Zergreth | o.O |
| 20:49.02 | Stanzilla | still reading the diff |
| 20:49.46 | Stanzilla | deleted a few lines from grum |
| 20:50.34 | Jaxon | Tinyboom: last time I tried it the only probelms I had with InsanceMaps and Mapster was the button being in an inconvenient spot. |
| 20:51.16 | Tinyboom | hmm, I was missing lk maps yesterday and no update for it, have to check now... |
| 20:51.47 | Mikk | Stanzilla: eh yeah, he commented out the entire CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM handler |
| 20:51.50 | Tinyboom | cc says last version is v50 and curse has v53... |
| 20:51.55 | Tinyboom | bah |
| 20:51.55 | Mikk | with no explanation |
| 20:51.57 | Mikk | just yanked it |
| 20:52.06 | Stanzilla | plx fixx^^ |
| 20:52.12 | Mikk | what the fuck is his problem |
| 20:52.13 | Jaxon | Tinyboom: because 52 and 53 are alpha and beta releases. |
| 20:52.38 | Tinyboom | well, i have enabled beta's, so that shouldn't be the problem... |
| 20:52.52 | Gngsk | curse client is fail |
| 20:54.43 | Repo | 10socialist: 03eblume * r61 Socialist.lua: - WhoLib works |
| 20:55.07 | Tinyboom | grrr |
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| 21:02.22 | Silowyi | someone told me there was a WoW acheivement that increases experience gain |
| 21:02.32 | Silowyi | true/false? |
| 21:02.36 | Silowyi | and which one if true |
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| 21:04.43 | sacarasc | there's items, but i doubt there's an achievement for that |
| 21:04.45 | Pneumatus | false |
| 21:04.59 | Pneumatus | the heirloom shoulders do, though |
| 21:05.28 | gix | a faster mount increases experience gain over time! |
| 21:06.01 | Pneumatus | not doing pointless quests increases experience gain |
| 21:06.28 | Zergreth | :D |
| 21:07.20 | Repo | 10guildmanagementtools: 03ciscoh * r6 Documentation/GuildManagementTools.pdf: update Documentation/GuildManagementTools.pdf |
| 21:08.09 | Antiarc | I think the chatter changes are okay. |
| 21:08.25 | Antiarc | The whisper ghange needs to be a gsub to avoid extra garbage though |
| 21:12.45 | NeoTron | I wonder how much experience gain 20% faster mount speed works out to be in the end |
| 21:12.51 | NeoTron | and 15% higher run speed |
| 21:13.48 | Zergreth | why would mount speed give you a higher exp gain? |
| 21:14.39 | Antiarc | Because you waste less time traveling |
| 21:14.46 | Skellum | ^ |
| 21:14.47 | Antiarc | xp/h, not raw XP |
| 21:14.56 | Skellum | Pale horse is so amazing |
| 21:14.57 | Zergreth | oh well |
| 21:15.04 | Zergreth | that doesnt matter to me anyway |
| 21:15.16 | Zergreth | im kinda enjoying the game, probably a bit too much |
| 21:15.24 | Zergreth | thats because i sometimes dont want to do any quests though |
| 21:15.53 | Zergreth | im playing since eu release, and i was still level 59 until last week ;p |
| 21:16.24 | Zergreth | i prefer addon coding over questing |
| 21:17.01 | gix | level 59 in 3 1/2 years? |
| 21:17.14 | Zergreth | yup |
| 21:17.18 | CiscOH | lvl 59 twink? |
| 21:17.23 | Zergreth | nope, thats my main char |
| 21:17.23 | Zergreth | :D |
| 21:17.28 | CiscOH | wow |
| 21:17.33 | Zergreth | hell yea |
| 21:17.45 | CiscOH | lots of BGs... |
| 21:17.53 | Zergreth | noway |
| 21:18.20 | Zergreth | i just said "59 until last week" because i could think of no other way to express that im now finally level 60 |
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| 21:18.54 | CiscOH | so what do you play, like 5 mins/week? |
| 21:19.12 | Zergreth | lets say i quest 2-3 hours a week |
| 21:19.22 | Zergreth | and then, i work on my interface |
| 21:19.25 | Zergreth | code some stuff |
| 21:19.31 | Zergreth | look for more efficient addons |
| 21:19.33 | Zergreth | and so on |
| 21:19.38 | Zergreth | or i take a break |
| 21:19.39 | Zergreth | :) |
| 21:19.50 | Zergreth | or participate in rp events |
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| 21:19.53 | CiscOH | got it. so your real hobby is coding....and somtimes you play the game |
| 21:20.02 | Zergreth | exactly |
| 21:20.38 | CiscOH | unfortuneatley i am the opposite. |
| 21:20.52 | Zergreth | hehe |
| 21:20.55 | CiscOH | havent got crap done since wotlk on my addon |
| 21:21.31 | CiscOH | leveling 5 toons at the same tiem |
| 21:21.35 | CiscOH | *time |
| 21:21.43 | Zergreth | holy crap ;p |
| 21:22.11 | CiscOH | i refuse to level with no rested XP, so i have to move around |
| 21:22.13 | CiscOH | lol |
| 21:22.44 | Zergreth | ugh, thats pretty weird |
| 21:22.51 | Zergreth | well, im always rested anyway |
| 21:22.57 | Zergreth | 150% rested for life or something |
| 21:23.01 | Zergreth | i dont know, i dont check |
| 21:23.13 | CiscOH | that happens when you dont get xp, you stay rested |
| 21:23.24 | Zergreth | hey, i DO have game knowledge, okay? |
| 21:23.24 | Zergreth | :p |
| 21:23.41 | Zergreth | anyway, i gotta go. germany, and i still go to school, so...see ya |
| 21:23.55 | fauxpas``` | pfff |
| 21:24.00 | fauxpas``` | just 10:23pm |
| 21:24.58 | Primer | sigh, I keep getting disconnected |
| 21:27.31 | Primer | disabled all addons...still getting disconnected |
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| 21:33.31 | Skellum | you log out in dalaran? |
| 21:34.11 | ckknight | woo |
| 21:34.23 | ckknight | you can now reference git and hg tags instead of their master branch |
| 21:34.26 | ckknight | in .pkgmeta |
| 21:35.18 | Skellum | \o/ |
| 21:36.18 | ckknight | see http://www.curseforge.com/knowledge-base/pkgmeta-file/ for the syntax |
| 21:36.32 | ckknight | you basically specify url: git://some/path |
| 21:36.33 | ckknight | tag: 1.0 |
| 21:36.38 | ckknight | instead of just the url itself |
| 21:40.14 | Repo | 10babble-2-2: 03StingerSoft * r1319 Babble-Ore-2.2/Babble-Ore-2.2.lua: Babble-Ore-2.2: - ruRU update |
| 21:43.34 | Primer | yeah, I can't get on any of my toons in Dalaran |
| 21:43.42 | Primer | my bank in IF is fine, even with addons |
| 21:44.05 | Pneumatus | lolwhat |
| 21:44.11 | Pneumatus | why isnt babble2 locked :< |
| 21:44.23 | chiper | lagaran |
| 21:44.30 | Zenom | So what are the odds of me being able to just write my own simple updater script in python connecting to curse? |
| 21:44.43 | Zenom | I mean i can just put the urls and scrap the screen for versions |
| 21:44.49 | ckknight | Zenom: well, we're gonna shut it down eventually. |
| 21:44.49 | Primer | Skellum: Is there some known issue at the moment? |
| 21:44.55 | Zenom | but not sure if there is a better way until the new mac client comes down the pipe |
| 21:45.08 | Primer | Skellum: keeping in mind that I've disabled all my addons, and still can't get on my toons that are in Dalaran |
| 21:45.24 | Jaxon | ckknight: shut down curse? :P |
| 21:45.31 | Zenom | no he meant my script |
| 21:45.32 | ckknight | no, Jaxon |
| 21:45.32 | gix | downloads will get captchas? nice |
| 21:45.37 | ckknight | prevent screen scraping |
| 21:45.40 | ckknight | gix: not necessarily |
| 21:45.49 | Jaxon | Oh, well, I'm nto sure how you'd manage that. Easy enough to get around. |
| 21:45.53 | Zenom | Just seems like updating addons is a "bitch" anymore :) |
| 21:45.57 | ckknight | I'm not in charge of all that, I just know that measures are being taken to kill wowmatrix |
| 21:46.21 | Jaxon | Hell, even wget can fake referrers and useragents. |
| 21:46.35 | Jaxon | Oh well, I'm fine jus tmanually downloading, my eyes are going all buggy at work and am tempermental. |
| 21:47.14 | ckknight | we won't be looking at referers or user agents, as we know those can be faked |
| 21:47.26 | ckknight | and wowmatrix _does_ fake them |
| 21:48.05 | Zenom | Ya i was just thinking for more personal use. |
| 21:48.16 | Zenom | Just something to make my life easier, kinda like an apt-get for wow addons hehe |
| 21:48.38 | ckknight | if only, Zenom |
| 21:48.52 | Arrowmaster | bug them until they put in the 3rd party api |
| 21:49.10 | Zenom | Or come out with a nicer mac client :) |
| 21:49.20 | Zenom | That doesn't flake out constantly hehe. |
| 21:49.35 | Jaxon | I should write a long rambling post about the addon RSS feeds on Curse/WoWAce and WoWi while I'm feeling Ornery |
| 21:49.53 | Jaxon | I don't know why I capitalized that. |
| 21:50.15 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: ok so how do you specifiy git branches in pkgmeta |
| 21:50.30 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: can't currently |
| 21:50.34 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 21:50.48 | ckknight | you can specify tags |
| 21:50.50 | ckknight | that's what I did today |
| 21:50.58 | Arrowmaster | branches tomorrow? |
| 21:51.27 | ckknight | probably not |
| 21:51.28 | Repo | 10chatter: 03Antiarc * r217 Modules (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 21:51.30 | Repo | - Fix up the ChannelNames fixes so functions work properly again |
| 21:51.33 | Repo | - Clean up the WHO_LIST_UPDATE change |
| 21:51.35 | Repo | - Add achievement links to ChatLink |
| 21:51.51 | ckknight | but we'll see |
| 21:52.08 | Stanzilla | yay Antiarc <3 |
| 21:54.07 | Pneumatus | hmm, framexml is confusing me... how on earth do the default unitframes have drop shadows on HP/Mana as i don't see anything that plays with TextStatusBarText to add it |
| 21:54.17 | Jygga | is there a way to let grid display the icetrap stuff in kel'thuzad fight? |
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| 21:54.52 | Pneumatus | Jygga: add a custom debuff |
| 21:55.18 | Pneumatus | Status -> Auras -> Add New Debuff |
| 21:56.15 | Jygga | oh ye |
| 21:56.22 | Jygga | frost blast? |
| 21:56.41 | Pneumatus | *nod |
| 21:57.12 | Repo | 10smartmount: 03akazik * r64 / (2 files in 1 directory): - fixed a typo |
| 21:57.30 | Repo | 10vanas-ko-s: 03Vana * r312 modules (2 files in 1 directory): VanasKoS: fix |
| 21:58.34 | Zenom | ckknight: does pitbull4 work in game at all? |
| 21:58.59 | ckknight | yes |
| 21:59.00 | ckknight | but don't use it |
| 21:59.02 | ckknight | it's not ready |
| 21:59.46 | Zenom | k |
| 21:59.57 | Antiarc | http://secunia.com/advisories/33089/ |
| 21:59.59 | Antiarc | Loooool |
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| 22:03.51 | Arrowmaster | and yet the sans newsletter last week had something in it about firefox toping the list of most known vulnerabilities in an application, although you couldnt actually get to any specific details without making an account on some companys website so i dismissed it as some 'security' company using marking mathamatics to get more attention |
| 22:04.09 | Fisker- | This is the best fun i've ever had |
| 22:04.19 | Fisker- | ressing someone inside the 11 charged people on thaddius |
| 22:05.10 | Pneumatus | hmm, do you have to reloadui after a FontString:SetFontObject(), or am i missing something |
| 22:05.12 | Arrowmaster | you know like that one in the past did where they compared firefox and IE and said IE has less vulnerabilities because almost every IE vulnerability they labeled as a windowns vulnerability instead even though it only effected IE |
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| 22:10.17 | Repo | 10chatter: 03Antiarc * r218 / (2 files in 2 directories): Add a toggle for saving all who data during a large /who |
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| 22:22.02 | Primer | just keep disconnecting |
| 22:22.03 | Primer | over and over |
| 22:22.18 | Primer | I can get in for a few minutes, then my UI hangs, and I'm disconnected again |
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| 22:28.57 | Repo | 10chatter: 03verotas * r219 Localization/koKR.lua: koKR : add a new toggle /who saving feature translation |
| 22:29.28 | Jaxon | HE BROKE IT AGAIN. |
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| 22:29.35 | Jaxon | I don't know that but today feels like Friday |
| 22:31.48 | sylvanaar | what is the deal with the LFG api, sometimes its protected, and sometimes it isnt |
| 22:31.52 | ckknight | hey, I need advice |
| 22:31.55 | sylvanaar | W T F |
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| 22:32.09 | ckknight | now that you can specify external tags like tag: v0.1 |
| 22:32.19 | ckknight | what should the syntax be for specifying the latest tag? |
| 22:32.20 | Repo | 10project-13618: 03dekimsey 06wotlk-update * r57 / (2 files in 1 directory): Cartographer_Data (wotlk-update clone): |
| 22:32.23 | Repo | - Update performed on Tue Dec 16 17:31:56 2008 |
| 22:32.28 | Jygga | hm doesnt seem like its a debuff |
| 22:32.28 | sylvanaar | AND sometimes coroutine.resume is protected |
| 22:32.29 | ckknight | maybe tag: latest or tag: "@latest", I dunno |
| 22:32.32 | sylvanaar | W T F |
| 22:32.36 | Jygga | frost blast thingxy by kel thuzad |
| 22:33.18 | sylvanaar | ckknight that sounds good |
| 22:33.24 | trh | ckknight: imo a keyword: "latest" - so you can tag "v0.1 latest" |
| 22:33.43 | NeoTron | out of curiosity, how do you deal with the freeze thing in 25-man naxx when you have more melee playerS? just heal through it I presume? |
| 22:33.44 | trh | ckknight: without @ or sth |
| 22:33.55 | sylvanaar | they need to spread out |
| 22:34.04 | Jygga | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27808 |
| 22:34.06 | Jygga | that thing |
| 22:34.12 | NeoTron | but even with 3 melee + tank it was rather challenging to spread out sufficiently |
| 22:34.17 | Jygga | how do i make grid show it as debuff? |
| 22:34.19 | sylvanaar | try harder |
| 22:34.31 | sylvanaar | you have to enter it in, the name |
| 22:34.33 | NeoTron | haven't tried 25 man yet |
| 22:34.36 | Repo | 10project-13618: 03dekimsey 06wotlk-update * r58 / (2 files in 1 directory): Cartographer_Data (wotlk-update clone): |
| 22:34.38 | Repo | - Update performed on Tue Dec 16 17:34:31 2008 |
| 22:34.42 | Jygga | added frost blast as debuff |
| 22:34.45 | NeoTron | I guess one chante you can do is to not have the tank(s) in to dps pending adds |
| 22:34.50 | Jygga | but it didnt trigger or sth |
| 22:34.56 | Pneumatus | lol what |
| 22:35.08 | Pneumatus | is it ressurect the hideously outdated addon day? |
| 22:35.09 | sylvanaar | you can look for ice cubes in the game world too |
| 22:35.30 | sylvanaar | but |
| 22:35.46 | sylvanaar | if its melee grouped up, for now you can spam CoH/WG |
| 22:36.04 | ckknight | sylvanaar: yea, I'm just gonna go with latest |
| 22:36.16 | Repo | 10project-13618: 03dekimsey 06wotlk-update * r59 / (2 files in 1 directory): Cartographer_Data (wotlk-update clone): |
| 22:36.19 | Repo | - Update performed on Tue Dec 16 17:36:10 2008 |
| 22:36.34 | Pneumatus | that clone needs locking up and destroying tbh :< |
| 22:36.35 | Jygga | just would be convenient ... |
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| 22:37.10 | sylvanaar | I dunno, the other healers in my guild, know how to do it |
| 22:37.10 | Repo | 10project-13618: 03dekimsey 06wotlk-update * r60 / (2 files in 1 directory): Cartographer_Data (wotlk-update clone): |
| 22:37.12 | Repo | - Update performed on Tue Dec 16 17:37:04 2008 |
| 22:37.16 | sylvanaar | i dont use grid |
| 22:38.21 | sylvanaar | they just need to be topped off and get 1 heal within 3 sec. |
| 22:38.28 | Pneumatus | if melee get tombed post 3.0.8 people are gonna die |
| 22:38.38 | sylvanaar | no |
| 22:38.47 | sylvanaar | you put hots on them |
| 22:38.53 | sylvanaar | in advance |
| 22:39.10 | Zhinjio | Antiarc: I only get the "copy" chat on my primary frame in chatter. |
| 22:39.21 | NeoTron | sylvanaar: but that's proactive healing. heard that's bad |
| 22:39.21 | Zhinjio | is that an interaction with some other addon, or by design? |
| 22:39.30 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 22:39.33 | Antiarc | They're on my other frames, so I dunno |
| 22:39.43 | Zhinjio | sighs. |
| 22:39.44 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 22:39.46 | Pneumatus | keeping hots up on melee constantly will result in many oom healers |
| 22:39.51 | sylvanaar | wtf |
| 22:39.54 | sylvanaar | no it wont |
| 22:40.04 | sylvanaar | you know when that thing is going to happen |
| 22:40.15 | sylvanaar | roughly |
| 22:41.14 | Antiarc | It only takes a single heal to save someone that was at full health from a tomb |
| 22:41.17 | sylvanaar | right |
| 22:41.20 | sylvanaar | 1 heal |
| 22:41.23 | Antiarc | It's not -that- hard. |
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| 22:41.31 | Kaelten | http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/12/bush-shoe-toss.html |
| 22:42.00 | sylvanaar | now, mind you, if that 1 heal leaves them at 3% hp they may still die |
| 22:42.20 | Pneumatus | you need to heal everyone for 10% of their HP to survive tombs |
| 22:42.30 | Pneumatus | which is multiple hot tics |
| 22:42.37 | Antiarc | Well sure, but my point is that the CoH nerf isn't the zomg end of uber hard Naxx raiding wtf |
| 22:42.47 | sylvanaar | 5% |
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| 22:43.04 | Pneumatus | the hundred club achievement will be infinately harder |
| 22:43.15 | Antiarc | Hundred club just requires an extra healer and replenishment |
| 22:43.18 | Antiarc | And gear, obviously |
| 22:43.43 | Pneumatus | our healers put out about 4-5k hps to do hundred club |
| 22:43.57 | nevcairiel | we never did it without hundred club or so |
| 22:44.40 | sylvanaar | i found an untrained rank of wild growth last week. i have respecced 26 times since they started keeping statistics. never once did it appear at the trainer as untrained |
| 22:45.19 | Skellum | There a way, or a mod that lets me save my KB and my spell button locations when I respec? |
| 22:45.48 | sylvanaar | it will be part of the dual spec system (whenever that comes out) |
| 22:45.48 | Jaxon | I can't think of a bar mod that doesn't let you use profiels somehow. |
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| 22:46.33 | Repo | 10project-13618: 03dekimsey 06wotlk-update 04v60 * r61 : Tagging v60 |
| 22:47.03 | p4aved | skellum u can set all ur spells as macro's than if u loose that spell through ur spec, the macro will still b there as a placeholder |
| 22:47.14 | NeoTron | p4aved: actually... no |
| 22:47.24 | NeoTron | p4aved: at least for me, in BT4, macros are removed when I unlearn the spell |
| 22:47.37 | p4aved | it works for me :/ |
| 22:47.54 | Antiarc | Skellum: ActionBarSaver |
| 22:48.08 | Skellum | thanks ant |
| 22:49.04 | Jaxon | p4aved, NeoTron: Yeah, I had to drop my spec last night to finish a Winter Veil achievement and my /cast [mod:shift] Wyvern Sting;[nomod] Explosive Shot macro got remvoed from the actionbar. |
| 22:49.09 | Repo | 10project-13618: 03dekimsey 06wotlk-update * r62 Cartographer_Data.toc: Cartographer_Data: |
| 22:49.11 | Repo | - Updated toc. |
| 22:49.20 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 22:49.27 | ckknight | woo |
| 22:49.34 | Arrowmaster | can i ban him? |
| 22:49.35 | ckknight | you can now specify the latest tag in .pkgmeta |
| 22:49.46 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it'd be funnier to make project-13618 not an open project. |
| 22:49.54 | Pneumatus | handy for libstub/cbh i guess |
| 22:49.57 | ckknight | actually, it's his repo |
| 22:49.59 | Repo | 10mountiful: 03Jomar * r26 Mountiful.lua: Mountiful: |
| 22:50.01 | ckknight | Pneumatus: or any sane lib. |
| 22:50.02 | Repo | - fix for smart mounting in outland |
| 22:50.05 | Pneumatus | ^^ |
| 22:50.07 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: cant be |
| 22:50.15 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: he cloned it |
| 22:50.24 | Arrowmaster | but the original is gone |
| 22:50.38 | Pneumatus | cloning should be disabled on projects that the original is dead, surely? |
| 22:50.39 | Arrowmaster | thus the clone should die too |
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| 22:50.45 | sylvanaar | grey area |
| 22:50.57 | Skellum | hrm...do i still need Ace2 and Ace3 to keep running my mods? |
| 22:51.17 | doom0r | if you don't want something to be worked on by others, license accordingly imo |
| 22:51.22 | Ackis | anyone here on azgalor US? |
| 22:51.34 | Pneumatus | if a project is dead it makes no sense to clone, assuming licenses permit, it should be re-created as a new project |
| 22:51.46 | doom0r | fair enough |
| 22:51.58 | Arrowmaster | and that project would be instantly deleted when i find it in the approval queue |
| 22:52.24 | Jygga | skellum action bar save 2 |
| 22:52.28 | ckknight | Skellum: at least ace3 |
| 22:52.29 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: he cloned an abandoned repo 50 minutes ago, bug! |
| 22:52.30 | Skellum | got it! |
| 22:52.32 | Skellum | :D |
| 22:52.36 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: feature |
| 22:52.57 | Arrowmaster | im deleting it since i just made project-13618 not cloneable |
| 22:53.11 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 22:53.13 | Pneumatus | well, cartographer_data is dead and buried anyway, is it not |
| 22:53.20 | Arrowmaster | exactly the point |
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| 22:53.30 | Arrowmaster | which is why nobody is going to stop me |
| 22:53.44 | ckknight | I don't want to make waves |
| 22:53.45 | Pneumatus | im sure if the original authors wanted it continued, they'd be doing it themselves |
| 22:54.10 | ckknight | not necessarily |
| 22:54.14 | ckknight | some people just get busy |
| 22:54.18 | ckknight | or stop caring |
| 22:54.21 | Arrowmaster | the original authors of said cartographer modules discontinued them and loudly stated they are dead |
| 22:55.36 | Kalroth | who made that cartographer anyways, worst code ever! |
| 22:55.42 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:55.44 | Pneumatus | ckknight: in which case, surely a proper project transfer should be arranged rather than cloning a basically deleted project just to keep it going |
| 22:56.05 | ckknight | Pneumatus: yea, but cloning initially to get your code out there is not a bad tactic. |
| 22:56.09 | ckknight | that's the whole point |
| 22:56.46 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: again, how the fuck was somebody able to clone an abandoned repo, they shouldnt even be able to see it |
| 22:56.59 | ckknight | no, people can see abandoned projects |
| 22:57.03 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 22:57.09 | Arrowmaster | grrr |
| 22:57.16 | ckknight | which is not changing. |
| 22:57.16 | Arrowmaster | since when |
| 22:57.19 | Torhal | http://www.wowace.com/abandoned-projects/ |
| 22:57.21 | ckknight | a few months |
| 22:57.52 | Arrowmaster | fine ill start deleting the truely dead and never fucking coming back to life stuff in a few months |
| 22:58.00 | Pneumatus | authors that abandon their project with the intention of letting it die should also close the repo and stop cloning (assuming the license they previously released on would allow) |
| 22:58.22 | Pneumatus | which would stop the messyness in the first place |
| 22:58.24 | ckknight | yep |
| 22:58.25 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Like Piraplex? It says: ---------------- ABANDONED! I suggest ACP as a replacement. |
| 22:58.30 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: no, don't |
| 22:58.50 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: why am i finding libs you wrote under abandoned |
| 22:58.55 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: we're actually going to come up with a better classification system rather than just normal/abandoned |
| 22:59.12 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: which ones? |
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| 22:59.17 | Pneumatus | at the moment there's no distinction between abandoned and really out of date, is there? |
| 22:59.19 | Torhal | ckknight, Abacus is abandoned |
| 22:59.42 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: add a 'arrowmaster will tear out your heart and eat it if you even fucking think of resurecting this you fucking asshat' classification |
| 22:59.44 | ckknight | ah, yea, LibAbacus-3.0 |
| 22:59.47 | ckknight | I need to unabandon it |
| 22:59.56 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: stop being so fucking negative and aggressive. |
| 23:00.14 | Arrowmaster | i will once people learn to read |
| 23:00.21 | Ackis | ckknight: it was auto-abandoned (which I've QQed to kaelten about) |
| 23:00.40 | ckknight | Ackis: you'd have better luck coming to me |
| 23:00.48 | Arrowmaster | fixed |
| 23:00.52 | Ackis | this was just yesterday :P |
| 23:00.54 | Arrowmaster | it wont get auto abanoned |
| 23:00.58 | Pneumatus | ckknight: the abandoned page is doing something funny with the "Updated" column |
| 23:01.06 | Pneumatus | ckknight: lots of them are showing as last updated 47 hours ago |
| 23:01.20 | Hjalte | Will Grid never show dragons instead of players on Malygos p3? |
| 23:01.20 | Pneumatus | and if you sort by updated, they end up in a weird order |
| 23:01.23 | Torhal | Pneumatus: May be when they were abandoned |
| 23:01.30 | Kalroth | no |
| 23:01.33 | ckknight | Pneumatus: I know the issue |
| 23:01.33 | Ackis | Pneumatus: it's worse in that 47 hours ago, oct 4, 47 hours ago, etc is the list |
| 23:01.38 | Kalroth | like 80% of them are updated 47 hours ago :p |
| 23:02.06 | Pneumatus | Hjalte: the unitguid branch in development shows dragons as pet frames but theres no way to reproduce what the default raidframes do switching units with their vehicles |
| 23:02.32 | Pneumatus | the secure environment doesnt allow you to switch them around like blizzard can do in their own code |
| 23:02.34 | Kalroth | Oooh, a project that hasn't been updated in over 4 months. I better fix the .toc on that one. |
| 23:02.44 | Hjalte | Pneumatus: So if I understand it correctly, it will add 10/25 pet frames? |
| 23:02.50 | Pneumatus | Hjalte: correct |
| 23:04.32 | Shot | is there any way to format an item link for a boa item so everyone sees the link as a predetermined level? |
| 23:06.15 | Pneumatus | hmm, pastamancer: have you considered making a status for units in vehicles, so at least we can change the way the normal unit's frame looks while they are in a vehicle? |
| 23:06.25 | Pneumatus | as its annoying as hell trying to heal people to find they are in a vehicle |
| 23:07.12 | Repo | 10libabacus-3-0: 03ckknight 04WoW-3.0-release * r48 : Tagging as WoW-3.0-release |
| 23:08.17 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: still though if a project is abandoned, nobody should be able to commit to it or make a clone |
| 23:08.24 | ckknight | no, I disagree |
| 23:08.37 | ckknight | maybe the committing should be off-limits |
| 23:08.43 | ckknight | but they should be able to make clones if the license permits |
| 23:08.54 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster i have noticed you being exceptionally rude/hostile lately too, i hadn't said anything, but since it came up. |
| 23:09.15 | sylvanaar | and this is on the Arrowmaster scale of hostile |
| 23:09.33 | Arrowmaster | ok then make a page when you go to abandon that says exactly what people can and can not do once you abandon it |
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| 23:09.51 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: as I said, we would be revamping the classifications soon |
| 23:09.53 | Arrowmaster | because in the past we told people to just abaodon projects they wanted removed |
| 23:10.07 | Arrowmaster | so now i have to go through and lock those projects down |
| 23:10.33 | Dashkal | If you abandon an open source project, that's just an invitation for someone else to pick it up. If you don't want people to do that, why did you make it open source? |
| 23:11.03 | ckknight | my thoughts exactly, Dashkal |
| 23:11.05 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: you seem to be confused on open source |
| 23:11.16 | doom0r | what? |
| 23:11.17 | Dashkal | Using "Open Source" in the OSI sense |
| 23:11.24 | CiscOH | just choose a license that does not allow cloning? isn't the repo set up that way? |
| 23:11.31 | ckknight | CiscOH: yea, you can do that easily |
| 23:11.57 | Arrowmaster | just because its open source does not allow everybody to call it the same name when they modifiy it |
| 23:12.01 | Pneumatus | Cartographer_Data has no license though, so it should be off-limites |
| 23:12.09 | Pneumatus | -e |
| 23:12.32 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: _that_ would depend on trademark law. Something I'm not strong enough with to comment on |
| 23:12.32 | Jaxon | Or was leftover from when there wasn't a way to set licenses through the page itself? |
| 23:12.43 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth * r105 / (4 files in 4 directories): -- Consumable.Cooldown.Potion.Health.Anywhere |
| 23:12.46 | Repo | -- Consumable.Cooldown.Potion.Mana.Anywhere |
| 23:12.46 | ckknight | if the author were to not want people to pick it back up with the same name, people still would have the right to call it what they want and still hack on it |
| 23:12.49 | Repo | -- Quest and Daily items |
| 23:13.18 | ckknight | still, having it be a clone and not the original project does satisfy that |
| 23:13.24 | ckknight | since it's obviously not the mainline at that point |
| 23:13.26 | doom0r | abandon and close/abandon need to be discerned |
| 23:13.30 | doom0r | as mentioned |
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| 23:15.50 | Arrowmaster | grr i cant disable cloning on cartographer_fishing since its actually marked as gpl |
| 23:16.23 | ckknight | good |
| 23:16.23 | CiscOH | can the license be changed? |
| 23:16.25 | ckknight | it's GPL, then |
| 23:17.02 | ckknight | CiscOH: theoretically, if all copyright owners got together and changed it, but the old code would still exist under GPL. |
| 23:17.24 | Primer | Is there level 80 pvp gear that one can buy only with honor? If so, is that sold in Champion's Hall (alliance, obviously)? |
| 23:17.29 | trh | ckknight: with most addons it's usually only one copyright holder, so it's a real possibility :) |
| 23:17.37 | ckknight | true |
| 23:17.42 | doom0r | Primer: the blue is honor only |
| 23:17.43 | ckknight | they can |
| 23:17.46 | doom0r | and yes |
| 23:18.00 | ckknight | still, relicensing isn't retroactive. |
| 23:18.13 | Kaelten | and as moderators we don't have the right to change the license |
| 23:18.23 | trh | true |
| 23:18.26 | Dashkal | doom0r: blue posts says even blue will require arena points (but not rating) http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/13392255320-season-5-arenahonor-items.html |
| 23:18.32 | Primer | doom0r: but there's no epic boot/wrists/belt for honor? |
| 23:18.44 | Dashkal | Looks like it's up to crafters to make the "entry" sets |
| 23:19.03 | doom0r | In addition, there will be two tiers of Honor items that includes pieces for the neck, ring, boots, belt, bracer, and trinket as follows: |
| 23:19.05 | doom0r | ^ |
| 23:19.09 | nevcairiel | man WWS is so much fail. they _still_ dont manage to split the reports correctly |
| 23:19.10 | doom0r | certain piecees* |
| 23:19.24 | Dashkal | ahh, misunderstood |
| 23:19.27 | Jaxon | nevcairiel: someone in here pointed me towards stasiscl and I've been using that since. |
| 23:19.38 | nevcairiel | Jaxon: i'm too lazy for that |
| 23:19.40 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 23:19.42 | doom0r | and there are epic, but they require a raiing |
| 23:19.43 | Dashkal | But those have rating requirements, so you're still going in |
| 23:19.47 | nevcairiel | requires me to actually upload it somewhere |
| 23:19.56 | Dashkal | so bitter... |
| 23:20.02 | doom0r | so, you don't have to wait for points, can just get a rating and start getting gear |
| 23:20.08 | Dashkal | BGs are fun, Arenas pure chore. Meh |
| 23:20.10 | Jaxon | nevcairiel: unless you want to customize the look of the output, it was upload -> command -> done |
| 23:20.18 | Xinhuan | does anyone know if naxx gives 15 or 16 valor tokens? |
| 23:20.23 | Jaxon | nevcairiel: which is one more step from WWS's upload or tool or whatever. |
| 23:20.48 | Repo | 10easydkp: 03Pericles * r47 dkp_dump.lua: (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 23:20.50 | Repo | EasyDKP: - |
| 23:20.53 | Repo | Version 0.4.1 |
| 23:20.56 | Repo | Added Tier 7 tokens for normal & heroic |
| 23:20.58 | Repo | Fixed raidonly bug on line 124 |
| 23:21.24 | Repo | 10easydkp: 03Pericles 04v0.4.1 * r48 : EasyDKP: - |
| 23:21.26 | Repo | Release v0.4.1 to curse.com |
| 23:22.18 | NivFreak | I hate commits like that |
| 23:22.28 | NivFreak | oh, it wrapped |
| 23:22.31 | NivFreak | z |
| 23:22.32 | NivFreak | zz |
| 23:22.35 | Xinhuan | Kaelten: around? |
| 23:22.44 | Kaelten | only if nothing is wrong |
| 23:22.50 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 23:22.53 | Xinhuan | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=256849 |
| 23:22.53 | Kaelten | what's up? |
| 23:23.00 | Xinhuan | just to check with u what you intend with that forum |
| 23:23.34 | Kaelten | faqs and guides and the like |
| 23:23.42 | Xinhuan | yeah but nobody can post in it |
| 23:23.48 | Kaelten | yeah... |
| 23:23.51 | Kaelten | hrm... |
| 23:23.54 | Kaelten | let me look for a second |
| 23:23.57 | doom0r | lol |
| 23:23.58 | Xinhuan | so, is the plan to open it up for posts |
| 23:24.05 | Xinhuan | or put it on say moderation approval |
| 23:24.16 | Xinhuan | or have forum mods move posts in? |
| 23:24.20 | thul | http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/photos/438000785_UyeJs-X2.jpg or http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/photos/438000678_GDg7q-X2.jpg ? |
| 23:24.52 | ckknight | former |
| 23:25.03 | Gnarfoz | latter |
| 23:25.04 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:25.05 | ckknight | good photo |
| 23:25.06 | Zhinjio | heh, I like the latter |
| 23:25.13 | nevcairiel | latter, imho |
| 23:25.24 | thul | thanks :-) |
| 23:25.25 | CiscOH | there are 3 options...which former |
| 23:25.26 | CiscOH | lol |
| 23:25.44 | thul | and thanks ckknight :-) |
| 23:26.25 | Bruners | i liked the first one best |
| 23:26.36 | CiscOH | first one sounds messy |
| 23:26.40 | thul | ah, ok :-) I'll try to work them over again :-D see what i find out.. thanks guy! |
| 23:26.47 | CiscOH | probably the latter, if it were me |
| 23:27.03 | Megalon | thul: try bringing some boobs into the mix! |
| 23:27.15 | Kaelten | Ok, I made it a moderated forum now |
| 23:27.47 | Xinhuan | perhaps you can reply to that thread i linked, and also post a "sticky" in the tips forum on how it should be used |
| 23:28.34 | doom0r | thul: they have different focuses |
| 23:28.48 | thul | doom0r: nopes, same shot, just different fixes in post processing :/ |
| 23:28.55 | doom0r | from a viewer |
| 23:29.02 | thul | one of them is more "filmlike" and punchy, the other is grey and flat. |
| 23:29.07 | thul | i think that makes it look like different focus |
| 23:29.15 | doom0r | not the shots |
| 23:29.22 | doom0r | the scenes from a viewers perspective |
| 23:29.27 | doom0r | the former gives the whole scene |
| 23:29.36 | doom0r | the latter focuses completely on the items |
| 23:29.56 | doom0r | just saying how my attention as a viewer is drawn |
| 23:30.04 | thul | ah, ok, understand :-) |
| 23:30.05 | thul | thanks! |
| 23:32.58 | doom0r | there no happiness icon for pb3? |
| 23:33.16 | doom0r | hmmm, i guess that's kinda irrelevant |
| 23:33.18 | Bruners | should be |
| 23:33.32 | doom0r | i'm just looking for something for vehicles |
| 23:34.21 | doom0r | hmm, it is there |
| 23:34.40 | doom0r | but seeing as i don't have a pet, it's not in the modules config even though i'm setting up the frames |
| 23:35.28 | doom0r | hmm, even force loaded, nothing |
| 23:35.45 | doom0r | am i really gonna have to switch to the hunter to just lay that out? |
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| 23:37.48 | Bruners | what cognac is good for a christmas present ? |
| 23:37.57 | doom0r | none |
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| 23:38.18 | NivFreak | Bruners: how much do you want to spend? |
| 23:38.40 | Bruners | NivFreak: up to 1000NOK |
| 23:38.50 | Zhinjio | I can't answer cognac questions, only scotch or tequila |
| 23:38.51 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 23:38.59 | Bruners | 150ish usd |
| 23:39.05 | Zhinjio | idles to repair his vacuum cleaner |
| 23:40.26 | NivFreak | Bruners: Remy Martin XO is nice |
| 23:40.40 | NivFreak | and should be $100-150 US |
| 23:40.48 | NivFreak | probably cheaper out of the US |
| 23:40.48 | WobWork | Zhinjio: I suggest a dyson =) |
| 23:40.48 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 23:41.32 | chiper | I'm reading up on Instructor Razuvious right now, and something strikes me as odd. You pretty much have to have one or more priests in the raid to do this fight. |
| 23:41.38 | chiper | at least on 25 man |
| 23:41.53 | NivFreak | you need 2 |
| 23:41.55 | chiper | same is true about the grand widow. no priest, you're screwed |
| 23:41.57 | NivFreak | min |
| 23:41.59 | NivFreak | yep |
| 23:42.12 | chiper | so... so much for "bring the player not the class" |
| 23:42.21 | Bruners | my dad had a vanilla flavoured cognac, anyone know what that might be called? |
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| 23:42.40 | CiscOH | Bruners: i call that yuck |
| 23:42.53 | Dashkal | Navan? http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=vanilla+flavored+cognac&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 23:42.58 | Bruners | was with a vanilla stick inside it |
| 23:43.00 | NivFreak | Bruners: hints of vanilla, or actually vanilla flavored? :P |
| 23:43.01 | trh | Bruners: i think it's actually called vanilla flavoured cognac |
| 23:43.03 | NivFreak | wtf |
| 23:43.48 | NivFreak | no idea on that one |
| 23:44.08 | gix | chiper: you need priests on faerlina to burn her? |
| 23:44.18 | NivFreak | you break her frenzy |
| 23:44.26 | NivFreak | with the sacrafice from one of her adds |
| 23:44.27 | Antiarc | You don't need priests to do Faerlina |
| 23:44.27 | NivFreak | via MC |
| 23:44.33 | Antiarc | She's really really lol on 25 man |
| 23:44.34 | gix | optional |
| 23:44.37 | Antiarc | Just burn her through the enrage |
| 23:44.42 | NivFreak | Antiarc: well, you're suggesting brute force sure :P |
| 23:44.48 | Antiarc | Brute force is easier on her. |
| 23:44.49 | NivFreak | and you get an achievement for it |
| 23:44.50 | Antiarc | Seriously. |
| 23:44.59 | NivFreak | it's pretty freaking easy to do it the right way too :P |
| 23:45.06 | chiper | this is assuming your dps is high enough to ignore the frenzy |
| 23:45.13 | chiper | +healing |
| 23:45.38 | NivFreak | enrage + frenzy is still rough |
| 23:45.50 | NivFreak | a solid group of healers can deal with it |
| 23:45.56 | NivFreak | if they are expecting it |
| 23:47.29 | NivFreak | uh |
| 23:47.35 | NivFreak | at least I thought she had an enrage at low health too |
| 23:48.37 | NivFreak | maybe I was wrong |
| 23:48.56 | NivFreak | anyway, I always liked to give my priests practice on her for raz |
| 23:50.40 | chiper | unfortunately we only have two 80 priests in the guild, and one of them isn't good at melee |
| 23:51.16 | NivFreak | yea... we went through that |
| 23:51.25 | NivFreak | my best holy priest... he utterly failed at raz the first time |
| 23:51.39 | NivFreak | we sent him and a shadow priest into 10man naxx to practice |
| 23:51.54 | NivFreak | by the next raid it was flawless |
| 23:51.59 | Pneumatus | getting 6% of hit gear is the hardest part of raz for a holy priest :P |
| 23:52.06 | NivFreak | it's not that bad |
| 23:52.09 | NivFreak | and why 6% |
| 23:52.20 | Pneumatus | 6% hitcaps you against 82 mobs |
| 23:52.34 | NivFreak | oh haha |
| 23:52.35 | NivFreak | nice |
| 23:52.40 | NivFreak | well, my priest have 14% |
| 23:52.42 | NivFreak | *cough* |
| 23:52.48 | NivFreak | they couldn't make it higher |
| 23:54.24 | Pneumatus | isnt it 17% to cap against bosses? |
| 23:54.36 | NivFreak | yes |
| 23:54.37 | chiper | against level 83 bosses |
| 23:54.37 | Pneumatus | or are you assuming 3% from imp ff/misery? |
| 23:54.41 | NivFreak | < NivFreak> they couldn't make it higher |
| 23:54.44 | Jygga | gnah |
| 23:55.38 | Jygga | 12 freakin tries on kel thuzad because that slowpoke of healer wasnt able to heal me ONCE during 11 tries while i was frost blasted ... |
| 23:55.50 | Pneumatus | as your shadow priests only need 11% iirc, 3% from misery and 3% from Shadow Focus |
| 23:56.29 | Jygga | and somehow grid doesnt pick up the debuff, apparently he is staring at grid aaaaaaaaal the time |
| 23:56.30 | Jygga | :P |
| 23:57.07 | Pneumatus | Jygga: if he adds the debuff to grid properly and actually sets it on one of the statuses, it shows fine |
| 23:57.17 | *** part/#wowace CiscOH (n=CiscOH@cpe-24-209-219-47.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 23:57.18 | Pneumatus | i find center icon the best place to dump shit like that |
| 23:57.24 | Jygga | ya |
| 23:57.27 | Jygga | thats my default also |
| 23:57.56 | Pneumatus | once you add a named buff/debuff you have to add it to the center icon indicator though |
| 23:58.00 | Pneumatus | else it wont do anything |
| 23:58.45 | Pneumatus | there used to be a grid plugin that added all kinds of named buff/debuffs for you but i think it died |
| 23:59.21 | Pneumatus | GridStatusRaidDebuff |
| 23:59.21 | Jygga | is it case sensitive? |
| 23:59.29 | Pneumatus | pretty sure they are, yeh |
| 23:59.57 | Pneumatus | and you have to up the priority |
